Bogota Reports

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2575086]We will be at high elevation next week at La Isla.[/QUOTE]I'm glad someone brought up elevation (about 8,400 ft) in Bogota. Every time I've traveled there I've been hit with extreme fatigue for several days after I returned back to sea level. It was strange in that I would be fine the whole trip while in Bogota, even hiking up Monserate with no issue. However, after I got back to sea level I would be hit with severe fatigue for several days. The first time this happened I thought that I must have caught some virus or something, but after subsequent trips it became apparent is was the elevation. The plus side was I would always lose a few pounds from walking around at the high elevation.

I was recently in Mexico city which has an elevation of about 7,300 ft but had no ill effects there or when returning to sea level. I had lost a significant amount of weight prior to visiting Mexico city so that may have been a factor. I'm hoping to visit Bogota again in July and it will be interesting to see if this weight loss has cured the post trip elevation fatigue I've experienced after every previous Bogota trip.

[QUOTE=Blade2001;2575145]I'm glad someone brought up elevation (about 8,400 ft) in Bogota. Every time I've traveled there I've been hit with extreme fatigue for several days after I returned back to sea level. [/QUOTE]Isn't that backwards? Some athletes train at high elevation so they can kick ass at sea level where there is more air to breathe. The higher you go, the quicker you will experience hypoxia and pass out. You are saying that having more oxygen makes you more tired??

[QUOTE=Blade2001;2575141]Dann Carlton Hotel and Spa. I think I've also stayed at Dann Carlton hotel but defiinitely prefer Dann Carlton Hotel and Spa.[/QUOTE][URL]https://g.page/danncarltonbogota?share[/URL]

Almost directly across the street from Mezzanine.

Showdown.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2574585]None, None, and None.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I did see black girls in Santa Fe but never any of the casas.

By the way-are the casas open on Sundays?

Showdown.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2575243][URL]https://g.page/danncarltonbogota?share[/URL]

Almost directly across the street from Mezzanine.

Showdown.[/QUOTE]This one yes, very close to mezzanine but blade2001 is referring to the other one slightly more in the south. Not sure will one I will pick next time I m there are both have correct to good reports and are obviously girl friendly. I usually would prefer to stay in chapinero center to be close to all the casas but. Anything north Virrey is a bit far for me but at the same time a nice 5 stars hotel is appealing.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2575216]Isn't that backwards? Some athletes train at high elevation so they can kick ass at sea level where there is more air to breathe. The higher you go, the quicker you will experience hypoxia and pass out. You are saying that having more oxygen makes you more tired??[/QUOTE]You've got it right- that's why the Olympic Training Center is in Colorado Springs. Not saying he's not tired at sea level, but it's not due to less oxygen at sea level.

[QUOTE=Blade2001;2575145]I'm glad someone brought up elevation (about 8,400 ft) in Bogota. Every time I've traveled there I've been hit with extreme fatigue for several days after I returned back to sea level. It was strange in that I would be fine the whole trip while in Bogota, even hiking up Monserrate with no issue. However, after I got back to sea level I would be hit with severe fatigue for several days. The first time this happened I thought that I must have caught some virus or something, but after subsequent trips it became apparent is was the elevation. The plus side was I would always lose a few pounds from walking around at the high elevation.[/QUOTE]That is interesting. There are quite a few changes that happen with high altitude and the one that probably is affecting you is something called 2,3 BPG:[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2[/URL], 3-Bisphosphoglyceric_acid#cite_note-hyperthyroidism2004-3.

When you go up to higher altitude levels, the amount of 2,3 BPG goes up very quickly. Higher 2,3 BPG cause a red blood cell to have a decreased affinity for oxygen which sounds like you have less oxygen but that is not correct. With more 2,3 BPG, you have more available oxygen to use as it is not stuck to the red blood cell.

The amount of 2,3 BPG can vary a lot from person to person as there are conditions that can cause less or more of it. Higher thyroid for example means more 2,3 BPG and lower thyroid means lower levels.

Given that you can go hiking so quickly at Monserrate, it suggests to me you form high levels of 2,3 BPG very quickly and your cells have more oxygen available to them than the average person. Then you can to a lower altitude, you have lower levels of 2,3 BPG and have much less free oxygen running around which could cause fatigue.

Overweight people have higher levels of 2,3 BPG so it will be interesting to see if your weight loss has an effect. It might be worth having your doctor check your thyroid too.

I think I have a more normal response with my 2,3 BPG levels because when I have gone from Bogota to a city with a lower altitude I immediately feel better. It is interesting though that one of the reason Colombianas may be thinner than women in other countries is that you burn more calories at a higher altitude and there is going to be a different effect when you eat carbohydrates high up as well. There is a really good chance that people have less carb craving at higher altitudes because the carbs do not make you feel as good as at lower altitudes.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2574210]Yes. Tall Man, Medellin is next. Woodman was doing his other business but he came out for a few. We relieved previous fun and I went upstairs with a 9 (I could not believe it!) I found her while hitting all the clubs. 150 K girl, 50 K room for 40 min. Woodman saved me $. Also ran into another friend I met in December. Not an ISG person but lives near Santa Fe, Still trying toi shake off altitude sickness, about to take some cialis, I read up the ED meds can help. More later, meeting a ballet dancer now.[/QUOTE]Can somebody message me woodmans WhatsApp? Flying in tomorrow and want to schedule a tour!

My evening SA date flaked on me so I headed to Santa Fe. Again, I was disappointed. I had a blast in Santa Fe in October and January. But it seemed like slim pickings last night. The south stroll had nothing. There were a few attractive girls around the clubs but not many and I didn't see anything that made me want to take a seat at any of the bars. Several of my Venezuelan friends have returned home for one reason or another. I wonder if this accounts for the relative lack of talent. You would think the difficult times in Colombia would inspire more girls to take to Santa Fe. Maybe they are all on Seeking.

One other item of note: there were a lot more young men wandering around seemingly up to no good.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2575630]My evening SA date flaked on me so I headed to Santa Fe. Again, I was disappointed. I had a blast in Santa Fe in October and January. But it seemed like slim pickings last night. The south stroll had nothing. There were a few attractive girls around the clubs but not many and I didn't see anything that made me want to take a seat at any of the bars. Several of my Venezuelan friends have returned home for one reason or another. I wonder if this accounts for the relative lack of talent. You would think the difficult times in Colombia would inspire more girls to take to Santa Fe. Maybe they are all on Seeking.

One other item of note: there were a lot more young men wandering around seemingly up to no good.[/QUOTE]I was there in the early afternoon yesterday. Not a single girl I would bang. I thought it was too early (around 1:00 PM), but it looks like at night it sucks as well. Seeking sucks too, read my recent post in SA thread. They are flaky and don't need our business. I have been to Colombia many times, but this time is the worst, despite great exchange rate and the fact that everything is back to normal, no protests or curfews. I got here from Rio, and it is day and night in terms of the talent, but I have to admit the hottest girls in Rio are non-pros.

If anyone would like to share good/verified SA contacts, please PM me.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2575404]That is interesting. There are quite a few changes that happen with high altitude and the one that probably is affecting you is something called 2,3 BPG:[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2[/URL], 3-Bisphosphoglyceric_acid#cite_note-hyperthyroidism2004-3.

When you go up to higher altitude levels, the amount of 2,3 BPG goes up very quickly. Higher 2,3 BPG cause a red blood cell to have a decreased affinity for oxygen which sounds like you have less oxygen but that is not correct. With more 2,3 BPG, you have more available oxygen to use as it is not stuck to the red blood cell.

The amount of 2,3 BPG can vary a lot from person to person as there are conditions that can cause less or more of it. Higher thyroid for example means more 2,3 BPG and lower thyroid means lower levels.

Given that you can go hiking so quickly at Monserrate, it suggests to me you form high levels of 2,3 BPG very quickly and your cells have more oxygen available to them than the average person. Then you can to a lower altitude, you have lower levels of 2,3 BPG and have much less free oxygen running around which could cause fatigue.

Overweight people have higher levels of 2,3 BPG so it will be interesting to see if your weight loss has an effect. It might be worth having your doctor check your thyroid too.

I think I have a more normal response with my 2,3 BPG levels because when I have gone from Bogota to a city with a lower altitude I immediately feel better. It is interesting though that one of the reason Colombianas may be thinner than women in other countries is that you burn more calories at a higher altitude and there is going to be a different effect when you eat carbohydrates high up as well. There is a really good chance that people have less carb craving at higher altitudes because the carbs do not make you feel as good as at lower altitudes.[/QUOTE]I climbed Monserrate with relative ease in the rain, despite falling on my ass once near the top, it wasn't so bad, considering the rain and how steep it is.

Fast forward to MDE and I felt more lethargic, my breathing felt shallow in BOG but my energy was fine.

My breathing improved once in MDE but my energy seemed to decline, can you opine on the drug Tallman just posted about?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2575708]I was there in the early afternoon yesterday. Not a single girl I would bang. I thought it was too early (around 1:00 PM), but it looks like at night it sucks as well. Seeking sucks too, read my recent post in SA thread. They are flaky and don't need our business. I have been to Colombia many times, but this time is the worst, despite great exchange rate and the fact that everything is back to normal, no protests or curfews. I got here from Rio, and it is day and night in terms of the talent, but I have to admit the hottest girls in Rio are non-pros.

If anyone would like to share good/verified SA contacts, please PM me.[/QUOTE]Why do all focus on Santa Fe? There are thousands of options in Bogota and you seem all to focus on the shithole of the city. I don't Get it.

I read that Atunes reopened on June 28 after being closed for 15 months. Does anyone here know how much it costs to buy a non-alcoholic drink there like water or orange juice?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2575713]I climbed Monserrate with relative ease in the rain, despite falling on my ass once near the top, it wasn't so bad, considering the rain and how steep it is.

Fast forward to MDE and I felt more lethargic, my breathing felt shallow in BOG but my energy was fine.

My breathing improved once in MDE but my energy seemed to decline, can you opine on the drug Tallman just posted about?[/QUOTE]That is a pH thing. You go to Bogota and the first thing you do subconsciously is breathe faster to compensate for the low oxygen levels. This induces a pH issue called respiratory alkalosis because you are blowing off too much carbon dioxide. Acetazolamide does the opposite of that. It helps the kidneys get rid of bicarbonate and in so doing causes metabolic acidosis. The body will compensate for this acid-base issue on its own but this drug accelerates the process. You take it a few days before you have the climb in altitude and your first few days arriving in Bogota.

It is funny the last two times I went to Bogota I was in shape and not in shape. In shape, I had no problems, but the last time I went when I was out of shape was brutal: headaches, fatigue ETC. It is amazing how much this can vary from not just person to person but from time to time.

Yes, Santa Fe is half-dead during day and night. There are fewer girls, and they are not attractive. I will fly to Medellin soon.