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Age of Consent vs Age of Majority

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Greetings Gentlemen,

The Age of Consent is the age in which girls can participate in consensual, non-commercial sex with their teen-age boyfriend without said teen-age boyfriend being charged with statutory rape.

However, the Age of Consent is irrelevant to the members of this forum.

What you need to focus on is the [u]Age of Majority[/u], which among other things is the age in which they can vote, get married, enlist in the military, and participate in commercial sex activities.

Please exercise caution and govern yourself accordingly.

Thanks,

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[QUOTE=Robotron;2898238]Could've sworn I read Gringos (Americans?) get up charged compared to locals, and this is also why men go out of their way to get a sim card with the local number. Otherwise I don't understand why not just get a backup number from the States and head over.

Or does Gringo include even those white / black foreigners from Europe / All other nationalitys like Asian too.

Specifically referring to Seeking Arrangements advice or other online dating platforms like Colombian cupid, how do you stay in touch if you don't currently have a local phone number through what'sapp (if its important as referenced earlier)? I have a SA premium account, location is USA, and would hit up the girls now even though trip is 3 months away to get a heads start unless I should wait.

Again this was another situation where ID change home location to Medellin but likely on a different account to keep my identity seperate (sort of falsifying age and how rich I appear to catfish, I know bad American culture, but everyone wins since they're getting paid).[/QUOTE]By the second sentence of any message, any Colombian knows you're not a Colombian. Having a local number or listing your home as Medellin isn't going to make everyone ignore that you don't talk like a local. While they may not know the difference between Alabama and Arizona they know you're not a paisa.

Add to that, you're already paying $100+ monthly on SA, double that if you add a new account. Saving $15 doesn't really seem like a priority.

Guys go out of their way to get a local sim card because it's cheaper unless you have TMobile.

Just be the real you. If the girl thinks you're younger, more attractive and wealthier it's going to change the way she responds when she meets you. If she's expecting Brad Pitt and she gets Ernest Borgnine, she'll be less willing to put forth her best efforts. However, if she knows up front she's meeting some old gringo, she won't be disappointed.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2898141]I am trying to decide between two AirBNB's. Both are roughly the same price and offer the same comforts. The only difference is one is about 1/4 of a mile from Lleras Park and restaurants and shops etc but has no AC. The other is about double the distance from Lleras and doesn't seem to have shops or restaurants or much around it but it has AC. For the sake of this question, I hate being hot. Should I go with the closer one and chance the fact it had no AC or go with the other?[/QUOTE]Temperature at night drops down to low 60's. Sunset is about 6 pm. Except for a few hours in the afternoon, on a really hot day, I've rarely felt the need for anything more than a fan. There's usually a decent late afternoon breeze keeping it tolerable. Humidity usually isn't bad, unless you're from a high desert area.

However, some guys can't handle being without air conditioning.

[QUOTE=Robotron;2898304]All the feedback you all wrote is helpful. My last SA and online dating question if that's even possible is when you come across a Colombian women writing her profile in English instead of her native language, is that a red flag? I was talking to a profile in Medelland that was written in English but I decided to use translation to message her, and a few exchanges of we're both beautiful and she wants dinero from arrangement leads to " Podemos tener sexo" from her. Is this too a red flag?

Because of this interaction with a beautiful woman in that low quality zero filter Colombian photograph, I was also contemplating what it would be like to just ship her here to the states for a week and possibly marry her. These women truly are amazing and I'm catching feelings. Now I know how many of our kind get scoped.[/QUOTE]A profile in English is a huge red flag. Her telling you that you can have sex is another red flag.

You can't just ship most of them to the states. A visa is required. Bringing one, if you find one with a visa, will almost certainly be more expensive than going to Colombia and doing the 3 F (find'them, fuck'them and forget'them). However, it's also a lot of fun introducing them to new things. Flannel pajamas, bread and butter pickles, Waffle House, going to the ballpark for a baseball game, Disney World, ice skating, or just sitting in a semi-rural area and watching the ducks and squirrels will put a smile on their face. Of course, there's always a risk that you'll come home to find she bought 6 jars of peanut butter, or finished off the half gallon of gourmet ice cream.

I haven't seen any advantage to actually marrying one.

[QUOTE=Ppartynextdoor;2898305]Headed to Medellin for the second time solo. First trip was 6/2023.

Anyone in town during that time I'm willing to link up and monger together.

For the first time solo travelers it's not as bad as they say. I will start by saying I'm 6'4 and 230 pounds but that doesn't mean a thing in all reality I'm also black. First trip I hit tons of casas for 3 somes. I banged chicas in El Centro beware of El Centro at night I got caught up out there with the chicas and I didn't realize it became night time. It was impossible to find a Uber or Lyft at that time which was weird because a Uber took me down there around 5 pm. I had to walk and walk and walk til I flagged down a passing cab and yes I was followed leaving el Centro and I knew it I just kept it moving that is food for thought. I want to visit strip clubs in El Centro at night but from my experience it's not good to hang around out there solo. I stayed in the thick of parque lerras last time, my first night I got stuck in el Centro after dark, I wasn't scared but I was aware I was being targeted and got the fuck out of there. By the second and third night I figured it out. Wake up eat hit el centro, hit casas for threesomes then regroup at home base use the site for chicas then hit el poblado if you still have more steam. I had 16 chicas in 4 days in Medellin. Also I went to chicas "apts" at night without any issues at all alot of them stayed in laureles which is why I choose to book an Airbnb in laureles this time. I blew 1 million pesos in El poblado in 1 night two threesomes and 1 chica back to back to back LOL. Also I did this all off of Google translate. Tap in if your in town next weekend I want to hit fase dos and what not. Also I didn't buy drinks while moving around I put tequila in a water bottle and didn't drink anything from any bar the entire trip besides water or Gatorade. I also brought 2 girls twice back to my air BNB and I was not robbed and I brought 1 girl another night and another night. The key to not getting drugged with bringing girls back is this. A soon as the door closes within 1 minutes pull it out and get too it, don't drink with these girls in your hotel don't dance don't small talk fuck them and send them packing.[/QUOTE]Good share. What did you do to attract attention and also gave it away that you were being targeted by men or women? I'm half your size and will solo travel in a few months, so in the event I realize I'm being followed need to have an escape plan. Did you pick up any parque lerras women and bring them back to your place or trust them into a short stay hotel? Lastly any BBFS?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2898289]Already 4 Americans locked up in the past year for abusing minors in Medellin. Got to be dumb to try that, especially with all the available talent.[/QUOTE]Beware of women who are big in size and look over 18 but may in fact be minors.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2898456]Beware of women who are big in size and look over 18 but may in fact be minors.[/QUOTE]It is worth noting that the converse of this can also be true, especially with some Venezuelan women they may be 19 20 or even 21 years old but look small and scrawny to where you would think they may look like they are minors especially by US standards.

That is why it always best to ask to see cedula and then to use a hotel that will also verify the cedula as to its authenticity.

Hey all,

I'm fresh off my visit from Medellin and I'm in horny jail. However, is anyone in contact with any of the girls from la isla?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2898387]By the second sentence of any message, any Colombian knows you're not a Colombian. Having a local number or listing your home as Medellin isn't going to make everyone ignore that you don't talk [/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] I've had my +57 number since 2021 now and while messaging thru WhatsApp they cannot tell that I am not Colombian. When meeting in person I'm pretty sure I can get past the second sentence without them asking where I'm from. Opening sentences using phrases such "Hola Mami" "que mas pues" and "como me LE va".

Usually at some point they will ask me where I'm from but it's not the 2nd sentence out of my mouth. And I always reply "Soy Mexicano" I never say I'm a gringo.

There's an airport bus service from / to the Medellin airport called Combuses and one of their stops is near the San Diego Mall. Anybody here ever use this and is the San Diego Mall area safe enough to wait for and get dropped off by an Uber?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2898519]There's an airport bus service from / to the Medellin airport called Combuses and one of their stops is near the San Diego Mall. Anybody here ever use this and is the San Diego Mall area safe enough to wait for and get dropped off by an Uber?[/QUOTE]That's the only transport I use to and from the airport. It used to be 14 k now it's 15,500 cop but still the best option. You can get dropped off and picked up at the metro station exposiciones now too and pay with either your civica card or cash. Even if you have a maleta they will put it in the back for you and it's a very comfortable bus ride.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2898519]There's an airport bus service from / to the Medellin airport called Combuses and one of their stops is near the San Diego Mall. Anybody here ever use this and is the San Diego Mall area safe enough to wait for and get dropped off by an Uber?[/QUOTE]Hi, I've been to that mall and you will be fine to wait to be picked up. The downtown area is considered unsafe depending on where you're walking towards. I would just wait in the mall until you know that your ride is there to pick you up.

It's fine, and don't be put off by the people who want to help you with your luggage into a taxi. A small tip is all they expect.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2898519]There's an airport bus service from / to the Medellin airport called Combuses and one of their stops is near the San Diego Mall. Anybody here ever use this and is the San Diego Mall area safe enough to wait for and get dropped off by an Uber?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2898519]There's an airport bus service from / to the Medellin airport called Combuses and one of their stops is near the San Diego Mall. Anybody here ever use this and is the San Diego Mall area safe enough to wait for and get dropped off by an Uber?[/QUOTE]I use it all the time. They drop you off at a taxi station. From there I just take a taxi to where ever I'm going.

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2898532]I use it all the time. They drop you off at a taxi station. From there I just take a taxi to where ever I'm going.[/QUOTE]Another to / from the airport transport option (in between a taxi and a bus in terms of price, comfort and waiting times) is to take a "colectivo": in effect, a shared white taxi. They also pick-up and drop-off passengers by the San Diego Mall. If I'm not mistaken the 2024 price is 25,000 mil to the airport and 30,000 from.

The last time I used the service from the airport into the city, the driver agreed to take me to my apartment in Laureles from San Diego for an additional 15,000. But yellow cabs and the metro are both nearby.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2898547]Another to / from the airport transport option (in between a taxi and a bus in terms of price, comfort and waiting times) is to take a "colectivo": in effect, a shared white taxi. They also pick-up and drop-off passengers by the San Diego Mall. If I'm not mistaken the 2024 price is 25,000 mil to the airport and 30,000 from.

The last time I used the service from the airport into the city, the driver agreed to take me to my apartment in Laureles from San Diego for an additional 15,000. But yellow cabs and the metro are both nearby.[/QUOTE]I did see the colectivo option and since I would not be in any hurry, it is an option. The only thing I was worried about with these shared rides is that I also noticed that the vehicles were not that big and I would have a large backpack plus a carry on luggage which is not an issue with the buses. So maybe if I was first in line for an empty colectivo, it might be workable.

What is a good guest friend hotel near medellin sports bar?

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2898547]Another to / from the airport transport option (in between a taxi and a bus in terms of price, comfort and waiting times) is to take a "colectivo": in effect, a shared white taxi. They also pick-up and drop-off passengers by the San Diego Mall. If I'm not mistaken the 2024 price is 25,000 mil to the airport and 30,000 from.

The last time I used the service from the airport into the city, the driver agreed to take me to my apartment in Laureles from San Diego for an additional 15,000. But yellow cabs and the metro are both nearby.[/QUOTE]Yes, I have taken the collective twice. 6 people packed into a compact car. And some of them have showered! LOL. If money is sparce you should plan your airfare months in advance and go Spirit so you cannot let your seat recline back, saving a few bucks.

[QUOTE=Robotron;2898416]Good share. What did you do to attract attention and also gave it away that you were being targeted by men or women? I'm half your size and will solo travel in a few months, so in the event I realize I'm being followed need to have an escape plan. Did you pick up any parque lerras women and bring them back to your place or trust them into a short stay hotel? Lastly any BBFS?[/QUOTE]In retrospect, I think I was a little too excited meaning, I hit like 3 chicas on the same stretch. So they assumed I had money and I didn't haggle. The escape plan was for me to speed walk and keep bending corners. I'm from an urban environment in the states so this is nothing new to me. I noticed I was being followed because a pack of 3 guys were outside the little hotel that I noticed from plaza botero about 30 minutes before and when I walked off they slowly started to walk behind me. I turned a corner to get off the strip and I took a quick glance behind me and boom there they were, I made it to the next corner basically almost going in a circle if I made another left turn and boom there they were but I noticed they were speeding up. I have really long legs so it's very easy for me to speed walk fast without looking crazy. That's when I made a right turn and threw my legs into overdrive LOL and made it to the next corner asoon as they were turning into the block. I jogged the next block and kept making turns until I saw a cab driver I literally walked in front of his cab and he let me in. It became a totally different element at night young Spanish guys were play fighting in the street and all kinds of shit. I would recommend not going to el Centro at night solo in a nutshell. But to answer your question I think they saw I was banging multiple chicas and I wouldn't even haggle, just show them my phone they would type the price and I would say ok. Highest I got quoted was 75 by the way and no lower then 60. I recommend el poblado at night you can hang out there til 3 am and there are tons of expats and gringos you will bump into. And a lot of police at el poblado so it creates the illusion of safety.

[QUOTE=Robotron;2898304]All the feedback you all wrote is helpful. My last SA and online dating question if that's even possible is when you come across a Colombian women writing her profile in English instead of her native language, is that a red flag? I was talking to a profile in Medelland that was written in English but I decided to use translation to message her, and a few exchanges of we're both beautiful and she wants dinero from arrangement leads to " Podemos tener sexo" from her. Is this too a red flag?

Because of this interaction with a beautiful woman in that low quality zero filter Colombian photograph, I was also contemplating what it would be like to just ship her here to the states for a week and possibly marry her. These women truly are amazing and I'm catching feelings. Now I know how many of our kind get scoped.[/QUOTE]Simp alert! Pull over! Pull over! Have you been drinking sir? No, I just want to marry a prostitute and bring her to America. She loves me, even tho she has sex with men for money. I can forget her past. She tells me I'm handsome and she says she loves me. I believe her.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2898519]There's an airport bus service from / to the Medellin airport called Combuses and one of their stops is near the San Diego Mall. Anybody here ever use this and is the San Diego Mall area safe enough to wait for and get dropped off by an Uber?[/QUOTE]I use the buses to and from the airport almost every trip, usually five trips a year. The drop off area has always been safe, any time of day and night. I always get a taxi from the drop off spot. The cost to Laureles is very little more than an Uber. Going to the airport, it's best to get on the bus where they start from, Calle 36 #45-14. The fare is 15,500 each direction.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2898519]There's an airport bus service from / to the Medellin airport called Combuses and one of their stops is near the San Diego Mall. Anybody here ever use this and is the San Diego Mall area safe enough to wait for and get dropped off by an Uber?[/QUOTE]There is a bus that drops you at San Diego Mall and then you can take an Uber from there to wherever. Not sure if you have to have pesos to ride the bus, if you don't have a fare card. The cost of an Uber from San Diego Mall will vary depending on the time of day. Uber prices can double during Rush Hour.

There are also shared cabs to San Diego that cost 25,000 or about $6. 50 USD and then you can take an Uber from there to wherever as well.

Decision might come down to how much time you want to spend traveling with your luggage and the cost difference. I think the airport cabs are around 110,000 or about $28 USD and they drop you off at your door.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2898601]There is a bus that drops you at San Diego Mall and then you can take an Uber from there to wherever. Not sure if you have to have pesos to ride the bus, if you don't have a fare card. The cost of an Uber from San Diego Mall will vary depending on the time of day. Uber prices can double during Rush Hour.

There are also shared cabs to San Diego that cost 25,000 or about $6. 50 USD and then you can take an Uber from there to wherever as well.

Decision might come down to how much time you want to spend traveling with your luggage and the cost difference. I think the airport cabs are around 110,000 or about $28 USD and they drop you off at your door.[/QUOTE]After the shared cabs drop off most of the passengers at San Diego, will they normally be willing to go to your final destination for an extra charge?

For my trip later this spring, I'll actually be arriving at San Diego probably around 6 pm. If Ubers are double the cost during this time, maybe the taxis might end up being cheaper (going to Poblado).

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2898611]After the shared cabs drop off most of the passengers at San Diego, will they normally be willing to go to your final destination for an extra charge?

For my trip later this spring, I'll actually be arriving at San Diego probably around 6 pm. If Ubers are double the cost during this time, maybe the taxis might end up being cheaper (going to Poblado).[/QUOTE]Good question about the shared cab. I'm sure it could be worked out.

As far as 6 pm, the congestion can also be really bad, depending on the direction of travel.

In general, I would try to avoid rush hour travel, if possible. Ubers will get you there but Medellin does have bad congestion at times. The train can be ridiculous depending on the station during rush hour.

Keep in mind, since this is Medellin, double the price could be $3. 50 to $7. 00. For us that live here it's noticeable but for most tourists it's noting. When a person wants to get back to El Poblado, time is often more important than the additional cost. San Diego has restaurants, Starbucks and other amenities if you wanted to kill some time.

After getting off that plane, I'm usually tired and I just want to get to the hotel as quickly as possible. I have luggage and a backpack so that's also something to consider. I just take the white cab and it takes me directly to my hotel for 110 mil. None of this waiting around for the minibus to leave, getting off at San Diego, getting into another cab to get to your hotel. It depends on what is your time worth. Is $10 or even $15 worth it to you for the extra hassle?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2898601]There is a bus that drops you at San Diego Mall and then you can take an Uber from there to wherever. Not sure if you have to have pesos to ride the bus, if you don't have a fare card. The cost of an Uber from San Diego Mall will vary depending on the time of day. Uber prices can double during Rush Hour.

There are also shared cabs to San Diego that cost 25,000 or about $6. 50 USD and then you can take an Uber from there to wherever as well.

Decision might come down to how much time you want to spend traveling with your luggage and the cost difference. I think the airport cabs are around 110,000 or about $28 USD and they drop you off at your door.[/QUOTE]I'm not understanding what the issue is with cab to taxi fare. I have a driver who picks me up at the airport and drops me off at Laureles for 110 cop. I am sure El Poblado would be less but in any event that's not a lot of money. There are buses but why would you do that to save $5 ? It doesn't make any sense.

If you can afford to fly to Colombia and have a place to stay the least of money you will spend is on Uber. It's cheap as hell to move around in Uber -Medellin- Colombia.

[QUOTE=Ppartynextdoor;2898305]Headed to Medellin for the second time solo. First trip was 6/2023.

Anyone in town during that time I'm willing to link up and monger together.

For the first time solo travelers it's not as bad as they say. I will start by saying I'm 6'4 and 230 pounds but that doesn't mean a thing in all reality I'm also black. First trip I hit tons of casas for 3 somes. I banged chicas in El Centro beware of El Centro at night I got caught up out there with the chicas and I didn't realize it became night time. It was impossible to find a Uber or Lyft at that time which was weird because a Uber took me down there around 5 pm. I had to walk and walk and walk til I flagged down a passing cab and yes I was followed leaving el Centro and I knew it I just kept it moving that is food for thought. I want to visit strip clubs in El Centro at night but from my experience it's not good to hang around out there solo. I stayed in the thick of parque lerras last time, my first night I got stuck in el Centro after dark, I wasn't scared but I was aware I was being targeted and got the fuck out of there. By the second and third night I figured it out. Wake up eat hit el centro, hit casas for threesomes then regroup at home base use the site for chicas then hit el poblado if you still have more steam. I had 16 chicas in 4 days in Medellin. Also I went to chicas "apts" at night without any issues at all alot of them stayed in laureles which is why I choose to book an Airbnb in laureles this time. I blew 1 million pesos in El poblado in 1 night two threesomes and 1 chica back to back to back LOL. Also I did this all off of Google translate. Tap in if your in town next weekend I want to hit fase dos and what not. Also I didn't buy drinks while moving around I put tequila in a water bottle and didn't drink anything from any bar the entire trip besides water or Gatorade. I also brought 2 girls twice back to my air BNB and I was not robbed and I brought 1 girl another night and another night. The key to not getting drugged with bringing girls back is this. A soon as the door closes within 1 minutes pull it out and get too it, don't drink with these girls in your hotel don't dance don't small talk fuck them and send them packing.[/QUOTE]I'll be there with my brother. Let's have a drink and hit some casas. Which ones do you recommend I've only been to new life in centro.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2898491]I've had my +57 number since 2021 now and while messaging thru WhatsApp they cannot tell that I am not Colombian. When meeting in person I'm pretty sure I can get past the second sentence without them asking where I'm from. Opening sentences using phrases such "Hola Mami" "que mas pues" and "como me LE va".

Usually at some point they will ask me where I'm from but it's not the 2nd sentence out of my mouth. And I always reply "Soy Mexicano" I never say I'm a gringo.[/QUOTE]You understand there is a difference in local communication skills between someone who has been spending much of their time in Medellin for some years and someone who has never been to Colombia and probably can't handle more than a few sentences in Spanish?

Your +57 number has next to nothing to do with their acceptance of you. It's your Spanish proficiency combined with your knowledge of the local lingo.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2898625]I'm not understanding what the issue is with cab to taxi fare. I have a driver who picks me up at the airport and drops me off at Laureles for 110 cop. I am sure El Poblado would be less but in any event that's not a lot of money. There are buses but why would you do that to save $5 ? It doesn't make any sense.

If you can afford to fly to Colombia and have a place to stay the least of money you will spend is on Uber. It's cheap as hell to move around in Uber -Medellin- Colombia.[/QUOTE]I'm not saying this is something I would do. The guy asked about the bus. As you saw, I said he could take a cab from the airport and it would drop him off right at his door for around $25 USD. Someone also mentioned he could take an Uber from the airport to El Poblado. I think the guy is just trying to assess all the options since he's never been here before.

Guy asked about the Metro as well. Personally, I don't use the Metro because cabs are only $2-$3 USD on average for me and much more convenient, but to each his own. There are times when the Metro makes sense like connecting to the cable car to Parque Arvi or something like that.

I agree with your assessment. I'd rather pay a bit more, especially if I'm on vacation and my time is limited and I have luggage. While someone is taking different modes to save a few bucks, I would have already dropped my bags off and been drinking a cold beer or doing something else relaxing.

I've used the metro in Europe, but the train usually stops right at the airport and drops me 5 min from my airbnb / hotel and the cost difference is much greater. For example, a cab in London might be $60-$70 USD while the train ride is $10 and the train will get me to my hotel in 30 min. One has to decide when the juice is worth the squeeze. In Colombia, I'm using cabs because they are so inexpensive.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2898611]After the shared cabs drop off most of the passengers at San Diego, will they normally be willing to go to your final destination for an extra charge?

For my trip later this spring, I'll actually be arriving at San Diego probably around 6 pm. If Ubers are double the cost during this time, maybe the taxis might end up being cheaper (going to Poblado).[/QUOTE]Just take the bus. It probably will be more comfortable too. It has a new stop right at the metro station that I have not tried. If you travel light, you could just take metro to your place or switch to Taxi when needed.

Daytime Centro is fine. Night time is OK too, but it can be scary if you don't know the place. Fear will cause problem. Uber might not come to pick you up so you have to wait more. This is your first time, so the arrival time may impact your choice for your safety concern and that mainly because of the unknow. When you are dropped off at the bus stop, you probably don't even need to lift a finger to carry your luggage, there are people there will get you a taxi and bring your luggage to the taxi. But you need to have some changes like 2 mil to give to the people who help you.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2898625]... It doesn't make any sense. ...[/QUOTE]I will give you a simple one. The flight between Rio and Sao Paulo can be between 500 USD and 100 USD or possibly cheaper. The bus is less than 50 USD. Many will take the bus because the flight is more expensive at the time they want to travel. If you have taken the bus before, then you will be in control more because you already gained the experience on your term, instead of being forced to. Once people did it, and some may like it because of various reasons, they will decide to keep on doing it. Have you ever tried it before you ask the question? Because that may be where the answer is.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2898592]Simp alert! Pull over! Pull over! Have you been drinking sir? No, I just want to marry a prostitute and bring her to America. She loves me, even tho she has sex with men for money. I can forget her past. She tells me I'm handsome and she says she loves me. I believe her.[/QUOTE]I think her jugs, not breasts, may be naturales. Based on those stats alone, I'd retire from the hobby and earn a high paying job at Mcdonalds in the US and have her raise my nepo babies locally.

Back to SA, as far as scams go, are there specific and safe restaurants or places to take these women on the Meet / Greet date, and is it protocol to only send her way the Uber / Taxi itself if necessary, rather than me ever sending her money online to get the ride herself?

Also based on your experiences, what have been the minimum and maximum COP to offer the SA girls? If I wanted a few hours or overnight, or she happens to be extremely attractive etc. It's around 3-500 USD Minimum in the USA on SA unfortunately for a few hours or even less time. Thinking I'd always negotiate online beforehand rather than waiting until meeting in person to discuss payments. But I do like to at least mention upfront I'd give them X amount to reel them in and see what they're looking for.

The mall closes at night. Buses are 24/7. The safe option is to wait at the covered bus stop where you are dropped off. Ubers will pick you up from there.

[QUOTE=BellBurner;2898524]Hi, I've been to that mall and you will be fine to wait to be picked up. The downtown area is considered unsafe depending on where you're walking towards. I would just wait in the mall until you know that your ride is there to pick you up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2898624]After getting off that plane, I'm usually tired and I just want to get to the hotel as quickly as possible. I have luggage and a backpack so that's also something to consider. I just take the white cab and it takes me directly to my hotel for 110 mil. None of this waiting around for the minibus to leave, getting off at San Diego, getting into another cab to get to your hotel. It depends on what is your time worth. Is $10 or even $15 worth it to you for the extra hassle?[/QUOTE]I take taxis over buses almost everywhere. When I land in Pereira I can either take a 5 dollar jam packed bus ride or a 60 dollar taxi to Manizales, I haven't taken that bus in close to ten years, fuck that. But to each their own.

[QUOTE=Robotron;2898694]I think her jugs, not breasts, may be naturales. Based on those stats alone, I'd retire from the hobby and earn a high paying job at Mcdonalds in the US and have her raise my nepo babies locally.[/QUOTE]It that gal is what you want, it is a dime a dozen in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Robotron;2898694]Back to SA, as far as scams go, are there specific and safe restaurants or places to take these women on the Meet / Greet date, and is it protocol to only send her way the Uber / Taxi itself if necessary, rather than me ever sending her money online to get the ride herself?[/QUOTE]Just meet them in the hotel bar or restaurant if you are hungry. That way you are safe and you can bang them right then. You do not need to wait until the 2nd date in Colombia. The first time I was there I met SA girls in GHL hotel in Poblado. A lot of times I snuck them up without doing a guest fee.

[QUOTE=Robotron;2898694]Also based on your experiences, what have been the minimum and maximum COP to offer the SA girls? If I wanted a few hours or overnight, or she happens to be extremely attractive etc. It's around 3-500 USD Minimum in the USA on SA unfortunately for a few hours or even less time. Thinking I'd always negotiate online beforehand rather than waiting until meeting in person to discuss payments. But I do like to at least mention upfront I'd give them X amount to reel them in and see what they're looking for.[/QUOTE]It may have changed since I have not used it for three years but if you are mentioning money up front, the woman is more likely a hooker than a girl looking to meet a sugar daddy or interested in something long term. Unlike the USA, a lot of Colombian women will not even mention price. If they do not bring it up, you should not either. I think I took 10 women to bed from SA in Colombia without mentioning price. With most of them, I gave them money later usually $80 or $100 which was close to higher end escort rates in Colombia. Yeah, you can get it cheaper for street walkers.

Don't even bother trying to form a long term relationship with a woman who is not a white collar worker or studying to be one. Keep those girls on a P4 P leash.

One huge difference between the USA and Colombia is how men can behave. In the USA, we have women crying rape after consenting to sex and feeling badly about it later. In Colombia, the laws are similar, but they are not enforced. Every woman I got serious with in Colombia had a half brother or sister because their fathers were fucking other woman. 86% of all births in Colombia are to single mothers, and most get little or nothing from their fathers. So that is the character of the typical Colombian man. "Oh, you are pregnant. I am out of here. ".

And a lot of the SA women will ghost you once you get here, so I would not be messing around with SA until one week before you arrive.

Most of the guys here say SA is a waste of $100 per month, and it is unless you are wanting something long term. For me, it was the easiest way to meet white collar women. There are a lot better options though if you are just looking to get laid.

I probably would take the bus if I were visiting for vacation. The extra 15 to 45 minutes you can save by using a taxi would be more of a consideration.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2898679]Just take the bus. It probably will be more comfortable too. It has a new stop right at the metro station that I have not tried. If you travel light, you could just take metro to your place or switch to Taxi when needed.

Daytime Centro is fine. Night time is OK too, but it can be scary if you don't know the place. Fear will cause problem. Uber might not come to pick you up so you have to wait more. This is your first time, so the arrival time may impact your choice for your safety concern and that mainly because of the unknow. When you are dropped off at the bus stop, you probably don't even need to lift a finger to carry your luggage, there are people there will get you a taxi and bring your luggage to the taxi. But you need to have some changes like 2 mil to give to the people who help you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Manizales911;2898754]I take taxis over buses almost everywhere. When I land in Pereira I can either take a 5 dollar jam packed bus ride or a 60 dollar taxi to Manizales, I haven't taken that bus in close to ten years, fuck that. But to each their own.[/QUOTE]You prefer Manizales over Pereira?

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2898624]After getting off that plane, I'm usually tired and I just want to get to the hotel as quickly as possible. I have luggage and a backpack so that's also something to consider. I just take the white cab and it takes me directly to my hotel for 110 mil. None of this waiting around for the minibus to leave, getting off at San Diego, getting into another cab to get to your hotel. It depends on what is your time worth. Is $10 or even $15 worth it to you for the extra hassle?[/QUOTE]The reason to take taxi is straightforward. The reason to take the bus can be more complex. Last year I found out at 1 AM my 5 AM flight was canceled because checkmig can't find my flight. I immediately bought another flight later that day and arrived at San Diego mall after midnight. I walked to the BBQ street stand by the stop and order a plate of BBQ there before getting a Uber.

Two Mexicans were scoped in a club in Provenza.

[URL]https://youtu.be/myFNV1tOsqQ?si=6xP423SWYAyc2-uK[/URL]

Follow Along.

I don't click youtube links. Is one of them the Mexican discovered disoriented and laid out in Bello this week?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2898963]Two Mexicans were scoped in a club in Provenza.

[URL]https://youtu.be/myFNV1tOsqQ?si=6xP423SWYAyc2-uK[/URL]

Follow Along.[/QUOTE]

That is definitely a lot of posts about taking public transportation from the airport to save money. If you want to save money you should go all the way. See girls at the casas or El Centro streets only. Stay at a hostel since you won't be bringing girls back. Eat at small local places only.

But if you really want to save money, stay home, watch porn and masturbate. You can save hundreds if not thousands of dollars that way.

It's getting too dangerous over there no matter how careful you are. Not worth the risk IMO.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2898963]Two Mexicans were scoped in a club in Provenza.

[URL]https://youtu.be/myFNV1tOsqQ?si=6xP423SWYAyc2-uK[/URL]

Follow Along.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2898963]Two Mexicans were scoped in a club in Provenza.[/QUOTE]Just don't hang out with Mexicans.

[QUOTE=Robotron;2898304]All the feedback you all wrote is helpful. My last SA and online dating question if that's even possible is when you come across a Colombian women writing her profile in English instead of her native language, is that a red flag? I was talking to a profile in Medelland that was written in English but I decided to use translation to message her, and a few exchanges of we're both beautiful and she wants dinero from arrangement leads to " Podemos tener sexo" from her. Is this too a red flag?

Because of this interaction with a beautiful woman in that low quality zero filter Colombian photograph, I was also contemplating what it would be like to just ship her here to the states for a week and possibly marry her. These women truly are amazing and I'm catching feelings. Now I know how many of our kind get scoped.[/QUOTE]You don't even speak her language and you're going to marry her? You think she'd be happy being away from her friends and family living with a stranger? After a few months in the states, she'll ditch you for a younger guy (generally after she's gotten whatever she can out of you). Literally the most self-abusive thing you can do with these girls is bring them back home with you.

75 year old US citizen found dead in his hotel room in Medellin after 15 days.

[URL]https://youtu.be/0sqzcJgBnWE?si=uTPuD7_ig3VbU0kY[/URL]

Follow along.

You do have to be careful. There is no way I am moving away from Colombia.

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2899079]It's getting too dangerous over there no matter how careful you are. Not worth the risk IMO.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2899019]I don't click youtube links. Is one of them the Mexican discovered disoriented and laid out in Bello this week?[/QUOTE]Yea it was, him and another one both Mexican nationals both scoped. Apparently they had been at a club in Provenza where it happened (they had wristbands from the club). Then the dude woke up in the street somewhere in Bello missing his belongings.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2899078]That is definitely a lot of posts about taking public transportation from the airport to save money. If you want to save money you should go all the way. See girls at the casas or El Centro streets only. Stay at a hostel since you won't be bringing girls back. Eat at small local places only.

But if you really want to save money, stay home, watch porn and masturbate. You can save hundreds if not thousands of dollars that way.[/QUOTE]I think the whole point is about making the money stretch further so he can stay in Colombia for a longer period of time.

It cost 110 mil for a white cab. That is the equivalent of $26 US dollars. After traveling so far to arrive at the promised land why worry about a few dollars?

A white cab is fast and efficient and they will drive you to your door. If saving 10 dollars is that important then maybe you are better staying home.
I agree with you MoonShot.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2899078]That is definitely a lot of posts about taking public transportation from the airport to save money. If you want to save money you should go all the way. See girls at the casas or El Centro streets only. Stay at a hostel since you won't be bringing girls back. Eat at small local places only.

But if you really want to save money, stay home, watch porn and masturbate. You can save hundreds if not thousands of dollars that way.[/QUOTE]

I have a very reliable, trustworthy driver who I have used for airport pickup and dropoff on all of my 3 recent trips. He will also do tours and general rides around the city but because Uber is so dirt cheap I only hire him for airport transfers. English fluent, he lived in Miami for years, always takes me to exchange money away from the airport close to my airbnbs in Laureles. Much better rate, don't ever exchange money at the airport. 120 mil but I usually give him 140 mil for the convenience and helpfulness. He can help with entertainment options like women or extra curricular activities if you need. Message me for his number if you like. I don't get any cut haha just trying to help a good guy. Always reliable, understands and waits if immigration is taking a long time.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2899120]It cost 110 mil for a white cab. That is the equivalent of $26 US dollars. After traveling so far to arrive at the promised land why worry about a few dollars?

A white cab is fast and efficient and they will drive you to your door. If saving 10 dollars is that important then maybe you are better staying home.
I agree with you MoonShot.[/QUOTE]Unreal that some mongers are so cheap that they would go through all the hassle of a bus and then a taxi with luggage to save $10 after traveling so far. No wonder gringos get a bad rap in MDE. I'm sure the chicas just hate dealing with these cheap Charlies. Just splurge a little and spend the $26 and start your vacation.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2898809]I probably would take the bus if I were visiting for vacation. The extra 15 to 45 minutes you can save by using a taxi would be more of a consideration.[/QUOTE]I think what you are saying is that it is situational. I was in another city last month and the bus from the airport was 2 hours. I arrived at 8 AM and took Uber to a cafe to wait until 11:30 AM check in time. If I were in Medellin, I would just take the bus. I am not in a rush to go to a cafe or some place to wait. There are so many people taking bus, now all these people are being classified as cheap. Does that even make sense?

It's better for people just to provide information and let the person make the informed decision, instead of making decision for other people that one knows nothing about and proceed to start a debate.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2899157]Unreal that some mongers are so cheap that they would go through all the hassle of a bus and then a taxi with luggage to save $10 after traveling so far. No wonder gringos get a bad rap in MDE. I'm sure the chicas just hate dealing with these cheap Charlies. Just splurge a little and spend the $26 and start your vacation.[/QUOTE]Thing about it is that the people that have done it know that it is no hassle. And it saves more than $10. Actually saves about $50 round trip.

[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2899143]I have a very reliable, trustworthy driver who I have used for airport pickup and dropoff on all of my 3 recent trips. 120 mil but I usually give him 140 mil for the convenience and helpfulness. [/QUOTE]The rides from the airport to where I stay in both Barranquilla and Cali are roughly the same distance as the distance from the Rio Negro airport to either Laureles or downtown and it costs me 20,000 pesos for Indriver. In Medellin it probably takes me 5 minutes more on the bus than it does in a taxi and apparently from this report costs more than 100,000 pesos less.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2899157] No wonder gringos get a bad rap in MDE.[/QUOTE]AFAIK the 'bad rep' gringos are getting is for the opposite -- overspending and gentrification.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2899157] I'm sure the chicas just hate dealing with these cheap Charlies.[/QUOTE]They do like to squeeze their 'bobos', that's for sure (and who doesn't like clueless customer paying premium for nothing). Of course nobody respects an idiot / push-over so great treatment shouldn't be expected.

As for bus vs taxi, so many pointless comments, bus cost X, taxi Z, the OP can make his own decision, everybody knows taxi is the most convenient, I don't get why some posters feel obliged to chip in with their name calling.

And it's not only about the money, bus can be more interesting ride and the city buses can be like rollercoaster -- mixing with locals, massive celling poster / paint of Jesus Christ / Holy Mary over your head, blasting reaggeaton, roaring engine smoking up, holding on to your seat while the driver is putting pedal to the metal taking corners and then braking sharply. Ariport bus is usually a more smooth ride though. Airport taxi the most boring ride. But to be fair, many city taxistas do drive like maniacs, barely passing obstacles and people at high speed, which, when sitting in front can be fun too. The moto taxi can be fun as well, but I value my skin too much, it will be taken off like butter in no time after the contact with the ground, even at the relatively low speed (I do like my bones and brain too (I use it on occasion)).

It can be fun to use public transportation in the city and a sense of accomplishment when you were able to do so to go to a location that you want to visit. I always use the Metro to go to El Centro or some sightseeing places. If you go to Parque Arvi, the cable cars to get up there give you a good experience and there is a sense of accomplishment that you were able to get there by public transportation.

My point is that from the airport I am tired especially after that our long line for immigration that you may experience. I just want to get to the hotel as quickly as possible. That white cab for 110 mil set fee is a no hassle experience that will get you to your hotel safely without any issues. From point A to point and no worries about the tax driver trying to rip you off.

I am in Medellin now and everything seems fine. I have not been drugged or robbed yet but my trip is not finished so there is still time for an incident.

The usual precautions mentioned here will make your trip a little safer. Stay in a place with security and not an Airbnb with no security. Don't drink with the girls and be careful about threesomes with two girls that you do not know. It is just harder to keep an eye on two girls at the same time.

Now I have read a lot of stories about guys on motorcycles robbing people. That has not happened to me but I am aware of my circumstances. I am cautious about when I take out my phone and do not carry my wallet in a place that is easy to be pickpocketed.

I think if you just take these types of common sense precautions, there is a lower probability of bad things happening. Yeah the same time as I mentioned, Colombia is a more dangerous country than some other mongering countries such as Thailand, Costa Rica or the Philippines. I have friends who say I am not risking death for pussy and they will never come to Colombia. I don't think that is a bad decision at all because you definitely can go to safer countries than Colombia.

But if you take extra precautions, Colombia can be a fun place.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2899180]Thing about it is that the people that have done it know that it is no hassle. And it saves more than $10. Actually saves about $50 round trip.
[/QUOTE]Yeah actually I was just thinking the difference is way more than $10 usd. The bus is currently $15'500 COP or $3.93 usd and the White Taxis are $110'000 COP or $27.92 usd, using an exchange rate of 1:3940. So the difference is $24 each way.

You captured the various driving scenarios very well. It breaks my heart when I see handicapped and very old people having to deal with the way the city bus drivers run their routes.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2899182]AFAIK the 'bad rep' gringos are getting is for the opposite -- overspending and gentrification.

They do like to squeeze their 'bobos', that's for sure (and who doesn't like clueless customer paying premium for nothing). Of course nobody respects an idiot / push-over so great treatment shouldn't be expected.

As for bus vs taxi, so many pointless comments, bus cost X, taxi Z, the OP can make his own decision, everybody knows taxi is the most convenient, I don't get why some posters feel obliged to chip in with their name calling.

And it's not only about the money, bus can be more interesting ride and the city buses can be like rollercoaster -- mixing with locals, massive celling poster / paint of Jesus Christ / Holy Mary over your head, blasting reaggeaton, roaring engine smoking up, holding on to your seat while the driver is putting pedal to the metal taking corners and then braking sharply. Ariport bus is usually a more smooth ride though. Airport taxi the most boring ride. But to be fair, many city taxistas do drive like maniacs, barely passing obstacles and people at high speed, which, when sitting in front can be fun too. The moto taxi can be fun as well, but I value my skin too much, it will be taken off like butter in no time after the contact with the ground, even at the relatively low speed (I do like my bones and brain too (I use it on occasion)).[/QUOTE]

Yes, it is situational. Anytime I get off a flight here and the bus line is long, I immediately default to uber or didi.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2899167]I think what you are saying is that it is situational. I was in another city last month and the bus from the airport was 2 hours. I arrived at 8 AM and took Uber to a cafe to wait until 11:30 AM check in time. If I were in Medellin, I would just take the bus. I am not in a rush to go to a cafe or some place to wait. There are so many people taking bus, now all these people are being classified as cheap. Does that even make sense?

It's better for people just to provide information and let the person make the informed decision, instead of making decision for other people that one knows nothing about and proceed to start a debate.[/QUOTE]

I remember once taking a shared taxi (colectivo) for only slightly more than the cost of the bus.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2899120]It cost 110 mil for a white cab. That is the equivalent of $26 US dollars. After traveling so far to arrive at the promised land why worry about a few dollars?

A white cab is fast and efficient and they will drive you to your door. If saving 10 dollars is that important then maybe you are better staying home.
I agree with you MoonShot.[/QUOTE]

To each their own. But I find it a hassle. After spending the better part of the day getting to Medellin, the last thing on my mind is saving $20 some dollars. You mentioned the bus but didn't mention the cost of the cab after getting dropped off. Why hassle with your luggage. Where else can you get door to door service at $20 or $24 ?

Makes no sense to me. Unless your budget is extremely tight and living on paycheck to paycheck in the states.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2899274]Yeah actually I was just thinking the difference is way more than $10 usd. The bus is currently $15'500 COP or $3.93 usd and the White Taxis are $110'000 COP or $27.92 usd, using an exchange rate of 1:3940. So the difference is $24 each way.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2899313]To each their own. But I find it a hassle. After spending the better part of the day getting to Medellin, the last thing on my mind is saving $20 some dollars. You mentioned the bus but didn't mention the cost of the cab after getting dropped off. Why hassle with your luggage. Where else can you get door to door service at $20 or $24 ?

Makes no sense to me. Unless your budget is extremely tight and living on paycheck to paycheck in the states.[/QUOTE]Actually the bus now drops off at Exposiciones and then you can hop on the metro for $3280 COP. And not necessarily people on a paycheck to paycheck budget could just be people who don't want to waste money. And usually when I arrive at MDE I'm just coming from Bogota not having spent my whole day on planes. Anyways to each his own.

[QUOTE=CK465;2897761]First visit here in Medellin is going real well, especially since I'm in Centro in order to be closer to the action.

I've been hooking up with a lot of Vinnies and they've been super cool and trenquilo with me, even though my Spanish is see+, we use GT to speak when we want to get across a topic. Anyway. I've been quoted by SW's that the going rate is around 70 mil for thirty minutes, and somewhere around 100-200 mil for the hour and depending on services if you go to the short stay hotel. None of the SW pros I've seen have tried to play me with the price and even corrected me to the correct lower price. Shit you won't see in the states, brah.

Also, Casa's like New Life and Sexy Amigas are my go to cause you can't beat a 70 mil 30 minute session for real.

Energy's rate was fine for what it was but I don't think I'll go to Loutron or anywhere else for the remainder of my stay.

Also, I ordered a Vinnie MILF off of Miltereroticos and she practically stayed the remainder of the night into the morning and only charged 300 mil for over an hour session. She was fun. I really can't be mad with these prices and glad I took the dip to come here. It's a Heaven for Ass and it speaks true. Just can't burn all my money here. Got to return and make money in the states.[/QUOTE]Hey no they all played with you on the price. It goes highest 50 k.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2899157]Unreal that some mongers are so cheap that they would go through all the hassle of a bus and then a taxi with luggage to save $10 after traveling so far. No wonder gringos get a bad rap in MDE. I'm sure the chicas just hate dealing with these cheap Charlies. Just splurge a little and spend the $26 and start your vacation.[/QUOTE]It's unreal that some mongers believe they are qualified to make decisions for all mongers. And assume everyone's problems are based on other mongers not following their direction.

I've taken a few short trips to Bogota from Medellin, no luggage, just my backpack. In Bogota, I hopped on the bus to Portal Dorado, got on the Transmilenio and rode to within 3 blocks of my hotel. I think it was 1600 pesos at the time and probably saved 45 minutes. When I returned, I got on the bus to San Diego, walked 1 block and hopped on a bus which dropped me right in front of my apartment. 9500 for the airport bus, 1800 for the other and took maybe 10 minutes longer. Bus was more comfortable than any taxi.

At the time exchange rate was about 2500 to 1. Savings were more than $10, but it wasn't about the savings. Midday traffic in both cities can be terrible. Being stuck in traffic in a bus is, to me, slightly better than being stuck in a taxi.

Everyone who visits is going to have different priorities, different interests and different comfort levels. The biggest mistake I've seen people make is to let someone else determine what will be best for them.

Nounce is absolutely right. Put the information out there and allow others to make the decisions which best fit their style.

For the record, I've taken white taxis, yellow taxis, Uber, been picked up by a chica who gave me a hand job all the way to Medellin and who spent 4 hours trying to fuck me senseless, all to get from the airport to Medellin. I've also had friends pick me up and I've rented cars.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2899313]To each their own. But I find it a hassle. After spending the better part of the day getting to Medellin, the last thing on my mind is saving $20 some dollars. You mentioned the bus but didn't mention the cost of the cab after getting dropped off. Why hassle with your luggage. Where else can you get door to door service at $20 or $24 ?

Makes no sense to me. Unless your budget is extremely tight and living on paycheck to paycheck in the states.[/QUOTE]It doesn't have to make sense to you.

Some guys are bringing $1000 worth of gifts to give to chicas. Some guys are staying in $12 per night rooms and bargaining for 40 k fucks. Some guys are renting $1000 per night penthouses. Some guys are spending their time partying on coke and tussi, or getting drunk every night.

If you're spending your time trying to make sense of the things people do, you're too busy to be doing anything else.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2899182]As for bus vs taxi, so many pointless comments, bus cost X, taxi Z, the OP can make his own decision, everybody knows taxi is the most convenient, I don't get why some posters feel obliged to chip in with their name calling.[/QUOTE]THANK YOU for this! I guess I'm the OP who asked about the different ways of transit and I appreciate the intel I'm getting here. I believe that this type of forum as well as one I use for my own home territory mongering is a great place to share info and I for one always contribute to the geographical locations I'm experienced with to help others without passing judgement on anyone's personal preferences. So to suggest that I should stay at home just because I would be interested in looking at different cost options of transit and even venues for mongering is just so damn disrespectful. Just because I would rather look at all options available rather than do things only certain ways doesn't mean that I won't enjoy my trip.

Many general tourists on Tripadvisor have since highly recommended using buses and Metro to get around. One even warned about how a taxi driver went ballistic because the passenger got out on the wrong side of the car so recommended taking other public transportation to avoid such characters.

And yes, I am trying to stretch out my travel dollars since Colombia is only one country I'm visiting on this trip. I'm also visiting Peru, Panama and Cayman Islands (where I'm paying $280 US per night for my accommodations) so if I look like a cheap Charlie in Colombia -- too fracking bad! It's my darn trip. Guys on my home territory mongering forum did warn my about the existence of some disrespectful individuals on the Colombia forum and they sure were right.

When I finally do my trip, I'll be sure to report what I see, what worked well and what maybe did not to help out others without passing judgement on others.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2899157]Unreal that some mongers are so cheap that they would go through all the hassle of a bus and then a taxi with luggage to save $10 after traveling so far. No wonder gringos get a bad rap in MDE. I'm sure the chicas just hate dealing with these cheap Charlies. Just splurge a little and spend the $26 and start your vacation.[/QUOTE]Crazy that this whole thread as turned into saving on ATM fees and buses / taxis. If you are that short on money maybe traveling thousands of miles away for some mongering is not the play. I am going back in May and I keep hoping to find some new reports here but its just all BS LOL.

[QUOTE=Tempor;2899324]Hey no they all played with you on the price. It goes highest 50 k.[/QUOTE]New Life and Sexy Amigas were 50 k, 7 years ago. I'm positive they aren't still 50 k.

Mileroticos rates vary from girl to girl. They are not all 50 k, never have been, never will be. If he's happy with what he got for the price he paid, then he's absolutely right.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2899370]Many general tourists on Tripadvisor have since highly recommended using buses and Metro to get around. One even warned about how a taxi driver went ballistic because the passenger got out on the wrong side of the car so recommended taking other public transportation to avoid such characters.[/QUOTE]What tickles me is how they want you to baby the door. They think that if you close the door with any kind of strength then the car is going to fall apart. Can anyone explain that?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2899370]And yes, I am trying to stretch out my travel dollars since Colombia is only one country I'm visiting on this trip. I'm also visiting Peru, Panama and Cayman Islands (where I'm paying $280 US per night for my accommodations) so if I look like a cheap Charlie in Colombia -- too fracking bad! It's my darn trip.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I just came back from Seychelles spending $523 on accomodations and $360 on a rental car for a few days. So you will have to excuse me that when I was in Colombia the month before that I only spent $20 per day on airbnb and me and my girl rode the bus 2 hours to Paipa for $8. 70 each each way instead of taking a taxi. A lot of people are spending money on more things than going to Colombia to fuck hookers during their leisure.

[QUOTE=Tempor;2899324]Hey no they all played with you on the price. It goes highest 50 k.[/QUOTE]At least I didn't pay 100 mil for 30 minutes cause that would be bad. I know what to expect next time.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2896876]I don't understand how anyone can generalize about a mongering venue or the ethnicity of chicas in such a dogmatic manner.

Having spent much of the last five years here, I've found the ladies hanging out around Parque Lleras (as in the casas and strip clubs) to encompass the full spectrum of Chicadom. In terms of looks: The occasional gem, most always several in the quite attractive to doable arrange, and the rest in the you "you couldn't pay me to...... " category. In terms of personality and service: some genuinely engaging and provide great full GFE value for the money; others mechanical clock watchers; the others somewhere in-between. Afro-Colombians, mestizas, blancas (Europeos) in all of the above categories. Over time, one gets pretty good at screening for those that promise to be good company and to provide genuine GFE service.

Some of the El Centro Rats on this thread claim that there's no difference in the quality of chicas to be found loitering about Parque Lleras (or in Gustos for that matter) and those in Plaza Botero and vicinity--and insist that there's, in fact, a large number of chicas working both locations, but charging 4 times the price in Lleras. In their view the only difference between the hotter lookin Llleras chicks and the plainer looking Botero broads is a lot of make-up and pricier / sexier outfits. Although I've never recognized chicas from El Centro in Parque Llleras, I don't doubt that there may well be a fair amount of overlap in the girls working both locations. But (speaking as someone who has spent a fair amount of time in El Centro strip clubs--Barre Ejecutiva, Conejitos, etc. -- and meandering about the Plaza Botero, Calle 53, Avenida de Greiff/Raudall mongering grounds), in my experience, in Parque Llleras one still finds a good number of chicas of a type (quality of looks; education and / or more European ancestry in some cases) that you'd never see in El Centro in your lifetime--except perhaps at midnight mass on Nochebuena (Christmas Eve).

I've met two (in my pretty selective view, quite beautiful) chicas in Parque Lleras whom I have seen reqularly for a couple of years in my apartment (one blondish, European parentage, college educated) --and who each get tested regularly for STDs and provide BBFS, often start our sessions with a leisurely, pro-quality stripshow/twerk-dance session, and are enjoyable to hang out with. I'm not 100% sure about this, but it's my impression that fairly often in and around Parque Lleras you'll find some better looking (sometimes better educated) chicas who are not working girls (i.e. not regularly doing multiple tricks per day), and who, only when hard up for cash, will go to the Parque to troll for clients, but who would never think of setting foot in El Centro.[/QUOTE]How much you paid for this girl "I've met two (in my pretty selective view, quite beautiful) chicas in Parque Lleras whom I have seen reqularly for a couple of years in my apartment (one blondish, European parentage, college educated) --and who each get tested regularly for STDs and provide BBFS".

[QUOTE=DaddyLou37;2899400]Crazy that this whole thread as turned into saving on ATM fees and buses / taxis. If you are that short on money maybe traveling thousands of miles away for some mongering is not the play. I am going back in May and I keep hoping to find some new reports here but its just all BS LOL.[/QUOTE]While budgeting accordingly is one thing if your going to dabble over pennies and dimes maybe mongering as a whole is not for you.

Even you plan on going to centro and buying 40 k pussy airbnb costs flight costs food costs. They all add up so with that being said it's a general rule to bring extra.

To believe that mongers are altruistic guys who want to share information freely to help others without passing judgment on others is naive. The only common link among all of us is that we want to have sex with attractive women and we are willing to pay for it. That by itself is not enough to make us a brotherhood with a lot of common interests. If you read the thread for at least a few pages, you would quickly see that there is a lot of name calling, believe that I'm doing it right and you're doing it wrong, you guys are a bunch of simps because you do certain things, I pay this much and if you pay any more you're an idiot, and other things like that.

It is the way it is because we are all so different and we don't have much in common other than wanting to have sex with attractive women and willingness to pay for it. There is also always this conflict. If we say a lot of positive things about Medellin and make it easier for everyone to come here, there would be a lot more guys coming here. And yet guys here constantly complain that there are too many guys coming here.

In many ways this thread is no different than discussion about politics. People have different opinions on how to do it right in Medellin and they have firm convictions that the way they are doing it is the way it needs to be done and if you're not doing it that way, you're a sucker or a lowlife.

So I do enjoy reading about other people's experiences yet at the same time you might notice that I've almost never asked for assistance on how to do things in Medellin. Instead I just do research on the internet and configure things out myself. I do ask myself this question, do I want to encourage more guys to come to Medellin and if so, why is that a good thing for me?

Has anyone checked out the streetwalker scene in Mayorista by Itagui? I read there is (or maybe was years ago) a streetwalker scene out there.

In Europe and North America, cars must have side impact panels in the doors to be street legal. There is no such requirement in Colombia. Side impact panels increase the weight and rigidity of car doors. They also of course greatly increase safety. Closing the panel equipped car doors requires more force than closing doors that don't have the panels. This is why locals sometimes don't manage to fully close doors on those few occasions when they find themselves in cars of international specification. That is also why those of us used to vehicles of international specifications use more force than necessary to close the car doors.

That is the factual background. Now for the more meaningful cultural notes. There is very little culture of vehicle maintenance in Colombia of the sort there is in the more developed world. The mentality here is avoiding use equals maintenance. This is why in even the hottest weather Colombian motorists keep their ventilation fans off. It is why during heavy rain, drivers don't turn on their windshield wipers (which are more often than not well past replacement condition) until the road is all but invisible. It challenges logic but the traditional driver wisdom in Colombia is cars will suffer structural damage if the doors are shut too forcefully too many times. In fact, few cars here are on the road long enough for that to occur but this is not a place where long term planning or analysis are very prevalent. It's confusing to the gringo mentality that drivers fret so much about how forcefully a door is closed but drive on dead shocks and worn springs for years, accelerate heavily toward red lights and traffic jams, rarely use neutral to coast or downshift to adjust speed instead of alternating between full acceleration and pumping the brakes over and over again. For the next thread on this subject we can talk about the vehicle horn as emergency equipment vs the way it's used for entertainment and an expression of impatience here.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2899431]What tickles me is how they want you to baby the door. They think that if you close the door with any kind of strength then the car is going to fall apart. Can anyone explain that?[/QUOTE]

I'm more salty about this than is reasonable because the more you find out about what's behind it the more ridiculous it seems. Whenever anyone even mentions it to me more I close the door, I just leave it open and let the driver close it exactly the way he wants. Life is too short to deal with that nonsense.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2899431]What tickles me is how they want you to baby the door. They think that if you close the door with any kind of strength then the car is going to fall apart. Can anyone explain that?[/QUOTE]

I think you took it the wrong way. My post is meant to add to yours, to be inclusive that both can exist. I guess you took it as I was trying to negate what you said, which is exclusive. If that is the case, I am trying to make it clear here.

I am only describing what I did, and I was in no rush to go to my apartment even after midnight and a whole day of travel. I did not explain the reason and I intentionally not to because some already made up their mind why? LOL. There is actually irony in these posts which is interesting to observe.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2899078]...But if you really want to save money, stay home, watch porn and masturbate. You can save hundreds if not thousands of dollars that way.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2898840]The reason to take taxi is straightforward. The reason to take the bus can be more complex. ..[/QUOTE]When I arrive at Brazil recently, my friend offered to send a family member to pick me up at the airport. I said no, I told her how I was going to get to my place, by Metro and Uber. I said I would call if I had problem entering the area due to Canival traffic restriction. I am convinced now my friend was secretly calling me cheap. hehe

Before I came, they already invited me to go on a road trip together. They paid my share of the deposit for me while I was still in MDE. I just told them I don't have any preference, I will agree to all their decisions, including buses. I can do it if they can. Hehe.

The day we went on the trip, one of girls came wearing a F1 racing baseball hat. She drove 8 hours, with a short lunch stop to reach the destination. The final one and a half hours were unpaved road with pot holes. Once we reached the hotel, unloaded, I just wanted to rest. But they made some drinks and proceeded to drive out again with these glasses on hand over the pot holes filled road. I was amused and took this picture when we were shopping. They are Brazilians after all.

During the trip, the girls would share a single plate (being cheap I guess). But I noticed that I sometimes paid less than I was supposed to. I guess they divided the total bill equally so they ended paying more while ordering less. They are still cheap regardless because I made up my mind. LOL. One night, when the bill came, I told them It would make me very happy if I could pay the dinner for all of us. One of them called me prince made it worth it. Haha.

The fall takes two hours hike and it's well worth it.

Also you should know, people like me, Mr E, Knowledge don't have to return to USA after a short trip.

Taking the Metro to El Centro is relatively easy. If you want to learn how to use the Metro, it is a good place to visit with the Parque Barrio station stop. If you get out and go out left to get to the museums, you can see all the statues. Then make a left at the antiques museum and you are heading to the church, the white church where the street walkers hang out. Make a right and that is the main street where most of the street walkers are.

I was just there this afternoon and this is my impression. The vast majority of the girls there are unattractive, old, chubby or combination of the three. But if there will always be one or two girls who are decent enough for you to screw.

As many have said, if you go in the daytime, it is relatively safe because there are a lot of people roaming around. There are many shops there and the locals go shopping there.

On my last visit to El Centro a few months ago, my experience was basically the same. Most of the girls are not to my liking but I can find one or two that I would take.

As to whether these girls also hang out at Parque Lleras, I think the vast majority do not because they would not attract much business. They are generally not the type of girls that gringos are interested in. After paying for airfare and hotel, most guys are not interested in having sex with average looking girls.

A week used to cost me roughly 3 K including flights, chicas, stay, food and drink. While I eat street food, I also go to restaurants like El cielo or Ricotto, once a day or every other day. I drink but I am neither a heavy drinker not someone who orders cocktails at every lunch and dinner.

I just did a full month with remote work. It cost me about 8 K for everything. This includes about 80 sessions. Majority of them between 1 to 3 hours, some dinner dates and about a week of overnights. I think I must have spent about 4500 on the chicas, some of it on their transport, food and drink. If I average out, then the session costs are typically about 50 plus about another 15 for transport. If I had the digital nomad visa and lived here long term I believe I would have averaged about 4 K USD in monthly expenses. I have been wingman to weekend warriors who typically blow 1 K for the Saturday night including hookah and bottle and 2 chicas. I have seen people blowing 3 K USD at Park Lleras in a single night so don't sharpen your knives for me. My stay averaged about 1800 in the month and 1 K for flight and other transport related costs. Cost and session quality are not related in IMHO. I think familiarity and long term relationship helps improve session.

RTFF the thread and do some F** contributions before you start asking questions. All your 3 posts are just questions that have been answered and answered before.

[QUOTE=Silvakeviniam;2899571]Has anyone checked out the streetwalker scene in Mayorista by Itagui? I read there is (or maybe was years ago) a streetwalker scene out there.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2899431]What tickles me is how they want you to baby the door. They think that if you close the door with any kind of strength then the car is going to fall apart. Can anyone explain that?[/QUOTE]I can confirm your observation, but I don't know why. Maybe their car doors are fragile.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2899426]New Life and Sexy Amigas were 50 k, 7 years ago. I'm positive they aren't still 50 k.

Mileroticos rates vary from girl to girl. They are not all 50 k, never have been, never will be. If he's happy with what he got for the price he paid, then he's absolutely right.[/QUOTE]They were talking about Centro street girls.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2899313]To each their own. But I find it a hassle. After spending the better part of the day getting to Medellin, the last thing on my mind is saving $20 some dollars. You mentioned the bus but didn't mention the cost of the cab after getting dropped off. Why hassle with your luggage. Where else can you get door to door service at $20 or $24 ?

Makes no sense to me. Unless your budget is extremely tight and living on paycheck to paycheck in the states.[/QUOTE]Also you fail to mention that many of the taxistas are thieves. They carry with them counterfeit money and give it out as change and even swap your real money for the fake money and hand it back to you. Maybe you haven't been here long enough for it to happen to you yet, but it does happen and quite frequently. I've never had a bus driver try to that on me though.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2899537]To believe that mongers are altruistic guys who want to share information freely to help others without passing judgment on others is naive. The only common link among all of us is that we want to have sex with attractive women and we are willing to pay for it. That by itself is not enough to make us a brotherhood with a lot of common interests. If you read the thread for at least a few pages, you would quickly see that there is a lot of name calling, believe that I'm doing it right and you're doing it wrong, you guys are a bunch of simps because you do certain things, I pay this much and if you pay any more you're an idiot, and other things like that.

It is the way it is because we are all so different and we don't have much in common other than wanting to have sex with attractive women and willingness to pay for it. There is also always this conflict. If we say a lot of positive things about Medellin and make it easier for everyone to come here, there would be a lot more guys coming here. And yet guys here constantly complain that there are too many guys coming here.

In many ways this thread is no different than discussion about politics. People have different opinions on how to do it right in Medellin and they have firm convictions that the way they are doing it is the way it needs to be done and if you're not doing it that way, you're a sucker or a lowlife.

So I do enjoy reading about other people's experiences yet at the same time you might notice that I've almost never asked for assistance on how to do things in Medellin. Instead I just do research on the internet and configure things out myself. I do ask myself this question, do I want to encourage more guys to come to Medellin and if so, why is that a good thing for me?[/QUOTE]Some people have to put down others-- a lot of that going on -- I have made some real friends over the years though. I think this is the same as most of life-.

A few guys have even donated to the Venezuelan family I am helping.

It is funny though, the idiotic fights and the put down artists. I just laugh at it. -.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2899658]RTFF the thread and do some F** contributions before you start asking questions. All your 3 posts are just questions that have been answered and answered before.

.[/QUOTE]My question wasn't exactly basic and I figured it could benefit others as well. That area has been changing in recent years too which is why I ask. I'll see myself out.

[QUOTE=Silvakeviniam;2899571]Has anyone checked out the streetwalker scene in Mayorista by Itagui? I read there is (or maybe was years ago) a streetwalker scene out there.[/QUOTE]In 2010 it used to be awesome. Once it got dark there was plenty of hot girls for 30 to 40 K. About 18 months ago I went there at night and I saw about 5 girls there and none I liked.

You may not like Colombian food but Medellin has a lot of good places to eat. Especially in Poblado there is a wide variety of food choices that are global in nature such as Chinese, Italian, Mexican, Peruvian, American, and Japanese. For Americans, there are a lot of very good hamburger, hot dog, fried chicken and pizza. Places. You may not like Colombian food but you don't have to eat Colombian food. I enjoy eating here. There is also a lot of bakeries.

The number one cheap snack I would recommend are the empanadas. Tasty and under a dollar.

Of course a lot guys here are more interested in eating something else but outside of the bedroom, there are some decent places to eat.

Yes, unfortunately passing counterfeit money, short changing, and grossly overcharging tourists are very active taxi scams. Two of the best known hotspots where sleazeball taxistas pick up their (usually foreign) victims are the stretch of calle 10 near the Domino's Pizza and the Poblado metro station. Something like ten years ago a taxista gave me a fake 50,000 peso note. After a Claro store refused to accept it I passed it off to a casa. I avoid taxis as much as possible for this and other reasons. They are convenient in certain situations. My advice for using them is to never deal in cash and only book them via didi or uber. If you do this you get the benefit of your credit card issuer to be able to dispute invalid or excessive charges, you have an audit trail in case you need to identify the driver or find a lost item, and you don't have to explain your destination or how to reach it because you can refer the driver to GPS.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2899688]Also you fail to mention that many of the taxistas are thieves. They carry with them counterfeit money and give it out as change and even swap your real money for the fake money and hand it back to you. Maybe you haven't been here long enough for it to happen to you yet, but it does happen and quite frequently. I've never had a bus driver try to that on me though.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2899688]Also you fail to mention that many of the taxistas are thieves. They carry with them counterfeit money and give it out as change and even swap your real money for the fake money and hand it back to you. Maybe you haven't been here long enough for it to happen to you yet, but it does happen and quite frequently. I've never had a bus driver try to that on me though.[/QUOTE]A while back ago I took a taxi in Centro. It was late at night and after a while he pulled a knife on me. I only had about 30 k on me so I handed it over to him. He kept asking for a cell phone but I had mine in the room. He was not happy. Finally he stopped the cab and let me out about 3 blocks from my hotel. The mistake I made was sitting in the front seat. I will never do that again when I'm alone in a taxi. One thing made me feel good. I slammed his fucken door so hard the whole taxi shook. I could have taken his number and went to the police but I have delt with the police before and it is a total waste of time.

[QUOTE=Silvakeviniam;2899835]My question wasn't exactly basic and I figured it could benefit others as well. That area has been changing in recent years too which is why I ask. I'll see myself out.[/QUOTE]You will have to forgive Sanker, not all of our boardmembers have the most polite manners.

I believe if someone is asking a stupid question that can be answered by reading a few pages back then that deserves being told to RTFF, however a more complex question deserves the respect of being able to be asked and answered by someone with the knowledge to answer said question.

Now as to the Itagui area, I myself didn't even know there was a street walker area there. Itagui is a more upscale suburb of Medellin along with Envigado and Sabaneta, etc. I usually only go down that way if I am eating at the California Buffet which is off of the ayura station.

I do know there are other streetwalker areas besides just Botero / Veracruz and Parque Lleras / Calle 10. Some of them only have chicas at night though and not during the day. One such area that comes to mind is San Diego / La Cuarenta.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2899688]Also you fail to mention that many of the taxistas are thieves. They carry with them counterfeit money and give it out as change and even swap your real money for the fake money and hand it back to you.[/QUOTE]The trick they pulled on my was they always took the slow, roundabout way to my destination, sometimes stopping at a store or to wave at a friend.

This is yet another reason to only engage them via ride share apps. If they deviate from an approved route you can dispute it. Taxistas will intentionally drive into traffic jams so they can relax while the meter runs and lines their pockets.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2899876]The trick they pulled on my was they always took the slow, roundabout way to my destination, sometimes stopping at a store or to wave at a friend.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Silvakeviniam;2899571]Has anyone checked out the streetwalker scene in Mayorista by Itagui? I read there is (or maybe was years ago) a streetwalker scene out there.[/QUOTE]About a month ago I had a chat with a local Colombian monger in Centro that claimed there is a decent street scene in Itagui on evenings and later but I forgot the street number, probably around there since I doubt there would be two different areas with SWs.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2899862]Yes, unfortunately passing counterfeit money, short changing, and grossly overcharging tourists are very active taxi scams. Two of the best known hotspots where sleazeball taxistas pick up their (usually foreign) victims are the stretch of calle 10 near the Domino's Pizza and the Poblado metro station. Something like ten years ago a taxista gave me a fake 50,000 peso note. After a Claro store refused to accept it I passed it off to a casa. I avoid taxis as much as possible for this and other reasons. They are convenient in certain situations. My advice for using them is to never deal in cash and only book them via didi or uber. If you do this you get the benefit of your credit card issuer to be able to dispute invalid or excessive charges, you have an audit trail in case you need to identify the driver or find a lost item, and you don't have to explain your destination or how to reach it because you can refer the driver to GPS.[/QUOTE]How in the world did a taxi driver give you a 50,000 (50 mil) note? What did you give him? The 100 mil note didn't come out until 2016. No one in their right mind should give a taxi driver a 100 mil note. They are odds on to not have change. Common sense applies. Always have a range of small bills in order to pay the taxi driver without needing to get big bills in change. Not so much because of getting fake bills, but because they usually don't have a lot of big bills to give you back. Last thing you want is to have to pull in to some all night cafe to try to get change to pay your driver.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2899641]I was just there this afternoon and this is my impression. The vast majority of the girls there are unattractive, old, chubby or combination of the three. But if there will always be one or two girls who are decent enough for you to screw.

As many have said, if you go in the daytime, it is relatively safe because there are a lot of people roaming around. There are many shops there and the locals go shopping there.[/QUOTE]Even from watching a lot of the Centro videos, I get the same impression as you about the girls there, ie. , many 'fuglies' but there's the odd one that caught my eye. If nothing at New Life interests me, I might take a walk around Centro to see if there's anything I like. I assume those who are standing close to stairways just use the rooms right upstairs while those standing near the church we'll have to just go to another short time room. But I might use this area as my plan be if New Life doesn't work out for me or I might head back on the Metro to pop over to Energy.

There does seem to be quite a lot of small eateries and street food at Centro where I might stop over for a bit to eat after a session. Might be entertaining to just watch the local world go by for a bit too while munching on something at one of these small places.

I've been to MDE several times using SA, Tinder, FB, and always have an amazing time!

I got married not to long ago and my wife knows I like to travel and knows I have been to Colombia and has always wanted to go too.

Of course she doesn't know I monger. Shhh.

We have had threesomes in sex prison America before, very rarely, never pay for play. My wife is younger attractive and is open minded, that's only why I could get married with her.

She mentioned trying to get a threesome in MDE. I don't think she know is top sex tourism spot, I will be hiding her from all the obvious Lleras working girls as best a possible LOL.

I much rather go to MDE alone but since I am going there with my wife.

Does anyone have experience with threesomes that you bring the girl or would straight girls be down to just my wife fuck them?

I am guessing just SA and Tinder are still the best way to find this?

We are not interested in couple swapping or anything with dudes.

I was wondering if anyone here actually had experience in a similar situation, thanks!

Oasis Massein
[URL]https://oasismassein.com/en/[/URL],
Tv Calle 42 (second letter of the alphabet) # 63 (third letter of the alphabet ) 45
Neighborhood Conquistadores, Medelln

+ 57 323 285-57-62.

Sensual massage.

Up to 285,000 Colombian pesos (2024).

11 am to 7 pm (last appointment 6:00 pm).

Saturday 11 am to 5 pm (last appointment 4?

Closed Sunday.

By appointment.

The web site describes tantalizing options if you do not insist on a "full menu". Calling, I heard a repeating recording.

Has anybody been to this place?

[QUOTE=Villainy;2899915]How in the world did a taxi driver give you a 50,000 (50 mil) note? What did you give him? The 100 mil note didn't come out until 2016. No one in their right mind should give a taxi driver a 100 mil note. They are odds on to not have change. Common sense applies. Always have a range of small bills in order to pay the taxi driver without needing to get big bills in change. Not so much because of getting fake bills, but because they usually don't have a lot of big bills to give you back. Last thing you want is to have to pull in to some all night cafe to try to get change to pay your driver.[/QUOTE]I'm willing to bet (correct me if I am wrong knowledge) that the taxista pulled the old cambiazo or switcheroo trick on him. Basically you hand your authentic 50 mil note to the taxi driver to pay your fare and the taxi driver grabs it from you and quickly switches it with a fake 50 mil while you aren't looking (he has it in his sleeve or something). He then hands you back the fake one as if it was your real one and says something along the lines of "amigo este billete parece falso, no tiene otro billete?

Especially if you are a foreigner visiting Medellin for the first time and haven't been in this situation or have limited español nor know how to tell the difference between a fake note and a real note, this will catch the person off guard and make you think you had gotten the counterfeit from somewhere else. Then the person after receiving the fake 50 mil will then pay with another bill and the taxista may or may not short change them to steal even more money.

I literally almost got into a fight with a taxista in May 2022 when he tried to pull that shit on me. I handed a 20 mil to the dude to pay a 16 mil fare and the idiot handed me back a fake 20 mil saying it was falso and asked me for another one. I quickly replied "ese billete no es mio. Usted lo cambió" then the girls and I got out of the taxi and I slammed his car door so hard that it probably damaged something and then the dude sped off. He only got me for 4 mil pesos, my vuelta that I didn't get back.

This is one of the reasons why I don't take taxis anymore. I'd honestly rather fucking walk than take a taxi. But I do like using the metro / metro cable and busses and occasionally picap. I have never met a dishonest bus driver, in fact if you pay for a bus with a 50 mil they will give you back a whole bunch of 2 mil bills.

-Gabacho.

Went to la isla last night. Stuck around for 2 hours looking for my 10 but couldn't find anything. Not even a 9. There were a few 8's but none of them tickled my fancy. I know I know, beauty is subjective. Just unimpressed overall is the point I want to make. Now that the clubs in cartagena closed down, where are all the 9's and 10's going? They are not in la isla. They can't ALL have gone abroad. Did they go to Bogota? Someone lead me on the path to 10's please, money is not an issue.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2899891]This is yet another reason to only engage them via ride share apps. If they deviate from an approved route you can dispute it. Taxistas will intentionally drive into traffic jams so they can relax while the meter runs and lines their pockets.[/QUOTE]I have used Indriver (especially from the upper level of the Bogota airport) where it will actually be a yellow taxi that is using the indriver app. As much as I don't like using taxis I will use these indriver taxis thru the app and I have noticed that these taxistas working through the indriver app tend to always be on their P's and Q's.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2900110]Went to la isla last night. Stuck around for 2 hours looking for my 10 but couldn't find anything. Not even a 9. There were a few 8's but none of them tickled my fancy. I know I know, beauty is subjective. Just unimpressed overall is the point I want to make. Now that the clubs in cartagena closed down, where are all the 9's and 10's going? They are not in la isla. They can't ALL have gone abroad. Did they go to Bogota? Someone lead me on the path to 10's please, money is not an issue.[/QUOTE]As you noted, beauty is subjected and what is a 9 or 10 to one man is a 7 to another. I recall talking to a guy who was talking about all the 9's and 10's he was seeing and paying a lot of money for and when he showed me the pictures, I didn't think they were 9's and 10's at all. You can't have an objective ratings system when men are looking for different things from girls. Most guys like slim petite girls but some guys like thicker curvier girls. Well a so-called slim petite girl who is a 10 would not be of interest to a guy who likes curvier thick girls. The guy who thinks a particular curvier thick girl is a 10, for a guy who likes slim petite girls only, he would not be interested in that girl at all.

In addition, in terms of facial features, makeup makes a big difference. The same girl who you think is a 7 may be a 9 with the right makeup and also the right outfit. And that 9 or 10 you saw it last night may be a 7 when you wake up in the morning and her makeup is off.

If you ever watch a beauty pageant like Miss Universe, you can easily see the disagreements on who is beautiful. Many times the girls that I think are gorgeous don't make the cut and the girls in the top three, I think may be only sevens.

There was a recent YouTube video about a young guy who got robbed and beaten at 2 am in Laureles. He was walking back from La 70 to his Abnb apartment on 72, just a few blocks away. He was approached by a robber and he successfully fought him off. But then four of the robber's friends came over and beat him into unconsciousness. He woke up somewhere in El Centro. For some reason they moved him and dumped him there. I would have thought that they would kidnap him and make him withdraw money but they didn't. The YouTuber is still alive and has a few bruises but otherwise will recover.

In his video he showed where he was and where he was going. Well because I have a death wish, last night, Saturday night, at 11:00 pm, I took that route from the bar to his apartment to check it out. At 11:00 pm On Saturday, they were still a lot of people in restaurants and cafes scattered throughout that street. I still felt relatively safe walking that route. But I can see at 2:00 am On a weekday, the places would be closed and they would be no one else around on the streets. That is the point when it can get dangerous.

Now I was walking around without my phone and I just had $20 in my wallet so I had not much to lose. Another point that some would say is that you should not resist the robbery attempt. But for most people who work hard for a living, it is difficult to just hand over your money to someone who doesn't deserve it. Still, the best course of action is to not carry so much money and leave your good phone in your apartment. So when I was walking late at night as mentioned, the most I would have lost is $20 US.

I can also see that happening to people who live in Airbnbs in Poblado a few quiet blocks away from the bars. One solution of course especially late at night so just take an Uber to get back to your place even if it is just a short distance.

We all go to Medellin to have some fun and being robbed and beaten is not something we want on a trip. So you do have to take precautions and not act as if you are just back home because you're not. Medellin can be at dangerous place if you are not careful.

Oasis Massein (03-09-2024).

Transversal 42 b #63 c-45, Conquistadores. Chicas: _ Prices: 285 p.

Hours: Monday to Friday 11 am to 7 pm, Saturdays 11 am to 5 pm, Closed Sundays.

Tel: + 57 323xxxx7-62.

[QUOTE=ParamAhmad;2899955]Oasis Massein
[URL]https://oasismassein.com/en/[/URL],
Tv Calle 42 (second letter of the alphabet) # 63 (third letter of the alphabet ) 45
Neighborhood Conquistadores, Medelln[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2900122]As you noted, beauty is subjected and what is a 9 or 10 to one man is a 7 to another. I recall talking to a guy who was talking about all the 9's and 10's he was seeing and paying a lot of money for and when he showed me the pictures, I didn't think they were 9's and 10's at all. You can't have an objective ratings system when men are looking for different things from girls. Most guys like slim petite girls but some guys like thicker curvier girls. Well a so-called slim petite girl who is a 10 would not be of interest to a guy who likes curvier thick girls. The guy who thinks a particular curvier thick girl is a 10, for a guy who likes slim petite girls only, he would not be interested in that girl at all.

In addition, in terms of facial features, makeup makes a big difference. The same girl who you think is a 7 may be a 9 with the right makeup and also the right outfit. And that 9 or 10 you saw it last night may be a 7 when you wake up in the morning and her makeup is off.

If you ever watch a beauty pageant like Miss Universe, you can easily see the disagreements on who is beautiful. Many times the girls that I think are gorgeous don't make the cut and the girls in the top three, I think may be only sevens.[/QUOTE]This is so true. I showed a buddy a recent video of Parque Lleras on YouTube and his first impression was that there are so many 'hogs' (in his words). Imagine if I showed him a video of the Centro girls. But then again even though we don't see it on video, some of the Centro girls, even the bigger ones, get some business maybe from locals. I would think that if any of these girls did not get even one customer over time, they wouldn't last very long out there just standing around for hours and days for nothing.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2900153]This is so true. I showed a buddy a recent video of Parque Lleras on YouTube and his first impression was that there are so many 'hogs' (in his words). Imagine if I showed him a video of the Centro girls. But then again even though we don't see it on video, some of the Centro girls, even the bigger ones, get some business maybe from locals. I would think that if any of these girls did not get even one customer over time, they wouldn't last very long out there just standing around for hours and days for nothing.[/QUOTE]I have wondered the same thing. Who is taking these chubby unattractive older women hanging out in El Centro? There are so many other women who are younger, relatively more attractive or in better shape. It may be the case that they are providing good service to clients and are friendly and kind and the men appreciate the good service that they are providing. Clearly given that they are unattractive or older, they have to be good in bed otherwise I can't see how they are getting any business. As for the thicker girls, there is a market for that physical type and perhaps some of the local men prefer the meatier girls.

I meant a 20,000 peso note. Different denomination, same scam. I agree about late night stops to get change. They usually pull up next to another taxista or go to a gas station. Long story short, I hate taxis.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2899915]How in the world did a taxi driver give you a 50,000 (50 mil) note? What did you give him? The 100 mil note didn't come out until 2016. No one in their right mind should give a taxi driver a 100 mil note. They are odds on to not have change. Common sense applies. Always have a range of small bills in order to pay the taxi driver without needing to get big bills in change. Not so much because of getting fake bills, but because they usually don't have a lot of big bills to give you back. Last thing you want is to have to pull in to some all night cafe to try to get change to pay your driver.[/QUOTE]

The most dangerous thing in Medellin Colombia.

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[QUOTE=MoonShot;2899858]You may not like Colombian food but Medellin has a lot of good places to eat. Especially in Poblado there is a wide variety of food choices that are global in nature such as Chinese, Italian, Mexican, Peruvian, American, and Japanese. For Americans, there are a lot of very good hamburger, hot dog, fried chicken and pizza. Places. You may not like Colombian food but you don't have to eat Colombian food. I enjoy eating here. There is also a lot of bakeries.

The number one cheap snack I would recommend are the empanadas. Tasty and under a dollar.

Of course a lot guys here are more interested in eating something else but outside of the bedroom, there are some decent places to eat.[/QUOTE]I eat out every lunch and dinner when in MDE and I never eat Colombian food. Tried it a few times, don't like it. Yes there are many good restaurants in Poblado and you eat at 50-60% of the cost for the same in the USA. The Peruvian food is especially good.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2900020]I'm willing to bet (correct me if I am wrong knowledge) that the taxista pulled the old cambiazo or switcheroo trick on him. Basically you hand your authentic 50 mil note to the taxi driver to pay your fare and the taxi driver grabs it from you and quickly switches it with a fake 50 mil while you aren't looking (he has it in his sleeve or something). He then hands you back the fake one as if it was your real one and says something along the lines of "amigo este billete parece falso, no tiene otro billete?

Especially if you are a foreigner visiting Medellin for the first time and haven't been in this situation or have limited espaol nor know how to tell the difference between a fake note and a real note, this will catch the person off guard and make you think you had gotten the counterfeit from somewhere else. Then the person after receiving the fake 50 mil will then pay with another bill and the taxista may or may not short change them to steal even more money.

I literally almost got into a fight with a taxista in May 2022 when he tried to pull that shit on me. I handed a 20 mil to the dude to pay a 16 mil fare and the idiot handed me back a fake 20 mil saying it was falso and asked me for another one. I quickly replied "ese billete no es mio. Usted lo cambi" then the girls and I got out of the taxi and I slammed his car door so hard that it probably damaged something and then the dude sped off. He only got me for 4 mil pesos, my vuelta that I didn't get back.
[/QUOTE]I can hardly imagine paying a taxi driver with a 50 mil bill either. If you go from Nequi in Bello to La Estrella, I doubt you would get a fare up to 50 mil. Not really the point though. People with a lick of common sense keep some 20's 10's 5's and 2's to pay a taxi driver without trying to break a large bill.

Now if you want to say that you prefer one of the services, that is just fine. I like DiDi myself. The advantages are you can see how far off the pickup driver is. The cars are newer and much cleaner and you get an automatic fare set by distance which you can lower if you think you can get it for less.

But just to balance your opinion. I've lived here 5 years, speak Spanish but used to be called "Casper" in the service, so I am an obvious gringo. I have not had a driver try to rip me off in the manner you described. Quite the contrary, I've had drivers accept less when neither of us had change. Some taxis use their phone for GPS others don't. The worse thing I've seen is a driver going off on a non-optimal route and I am happy to speak up. Now I have heard some people here say that getting a cab in Poblado near Parque Lleras is a different animal and that may well be true but I don't fish in those waters.

The ex-pats that I hang with have likewise never mentioned a problem with taxis. One is pretty lazy and speaks less Spanish than a 6 year old. He hands the taxi a card with the address where he wants to go. Even he hasn't ever mentioned a problem.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2900224]I eat out every lunch and dinner when in MDE and I never eat Colombian food. Tried it a few times, don't like it. Yes there are many good restaurants in Poblado and you eat at 50-60% of the cost for the same in the USA. The Peruvian food is especially good.[/QUOTE]To each his own, but I for one enjoy comida colombiana.

[QUOTE=LivingFossil;2899951]She mentioned trying to get a threesome in MDE. I don't think she know is top sex tourism spot[/QUOTE]Ahahahah! You sure? :-D She does not know Google, right?
You might get the (good) surprise of your life.

[QUOTE=Silvakeviniam;2899571]Has anyone checked out the streetwalker scene in Mayorista by Itagui? I read there is (or maybe was years ago) a streetwalker scene out there.[/QUOTE]This year I will be finally back to Medellin, after 5 years I could not enjoy it. I really did ANYTHING at night there, if someone remembers my 10 y old posts. I know my question will sound naif to everyone, but now in 2024 what are major changes after COVID? I am worried to go back and find nothing of the world I was used to know so well.

OK, I read about barricades and their removal in Centro. What is there now? The population of young and old girls at day and night changed a lot? Is the night there still a zoo of glue sniffers? Clubs in Plaza Botero, 53th, etc. Are still the same good ones?

Is Mayorista still active?

I will be grateful to any old reg who will want to share candid impressions. Thanks!

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2900122]As you noted, beauty is subjected and what is a 9 or 10 to one man is a 7 to another. I recall talking to a guy who was talking about all the 9's and 10's he was seeing and paying a lot of money for and when he showed me the pictures, I didn't think they were 9's and 10's at all. You can't have an objective ratings system when men are looking for different things from girls. Most guys like slim petite girls but some guys like thicker curvier girls. Well a so-called slim petite girl who is a 10 would not be of interest to a guy who likes curvier thick girls. The guy who thinks a particular curvier thick girl is a 10, for a guy who likes slim petite girls only, he would not be interested in that girl at all.

In addition, in terms of facial features, makeup makes a big difference. The same girl who you think is a 7 may be a 9 with the right makeup and also the right outfit. And that 9 or 10 you saw it last night may be a 7 when you wake up in the morning and her makeup is off.

If you ever watch a beauty pageant like Miss Universe, you can easily see the disagreements on who is beautiful. Many times the girls that I think are gorgeous don't make the cut and the girls in the top three, I think may be only sevens.[/QUOTE]While I agree that some discrepancies do exist, the scale itself is intended to be objective. You should be able to rate a girl regardless of your interest in her. I have a friend dating a national beauty contest winner, and even though she is not my type at all, and I have zero interest in her (if she was single), I still would rate her high number, simply because I understand she looks beautiful to many guys. She is fit, takes care of herself, has beautiful face and smile, etc. An ugly chick would never win the contest of that level. Same thing with cars. The fact that you can't afford a Ferrari doesn't make it a shitty car. Or if you can afford it, but just don't like supercars and prefer a respectable Rolls Royce. Ferrari is still a great car desirable by many regardless of what you think about it or what you rate it. The vast majority of people would rate it a very high number. Also, in order to use the scale properly, one has to have experience with hot women, have a good taste in women. If a guy fucks 5's and 6's, or average looking girls, all his life he has no clue of what a true 9 or 10 is. Anyone above a 6 or 7 would be considered HOT by him and the difference between a 7 and 8 for example, would be blurred. I can guarantee, that if you take a newbie from Oklahoma who has been married to an ugly or average chick all his life and bring him to La Isla, he will rate everyone 8's, 9's and 10's.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2900130]Oasis Massein (03-09-2024).

Transversal 42 b #63 c-45, Conquistadores. Chicas: _ Prices: 285 p.

Hours: Monday to Friday 11 am to 7 pm, Saturdays 11 am to 5 pm, Closed Sundays.

Tel: + 57 323xxxx7-62.[/QUOTE]Please tell us how you prevent this web site's auto correction software from changing the second letter of the alphabet into the word "be" and the third letter of the alphabet into the word "see".

I found a 2 year old Google Earth photo of the address showing FOR LEASE (arrendia) signs, using the address on the Oasis Massein Web site.

Let us know if you find it and what you think of the place.

[QUOTE=ParamAhmad;2900264]Please tell us how you prevent this web site's auto correction software from changing the second letter of the alphabet into the word "be" and the third letter of the alphabet into the word "see".[/QUOTE]Edit it after you post it. The auto-correct software doesn't change an edited report.

I remember you well. LOts has changed. A lot more ballers, weekend warriors and idiots visit than ever before. Prices have been driven up, whether you are talking Mansion, Parque Lleras, Centro, Seeing or whatever. Good deals can still be found, but not as easy as before. I used to go out to eat a lot more and would got to a bar or club to listen to music. I would still do that (although exercising more caution), but don't very much. Happy with my chicas in my apartment with the jacuzzi. I rely a lot more on friends and relatives of girls I know or seeing girls I saw years back who are not actively in the game, but who will still bang you because of the pre-existing "friendship. " Cost of apartments are up (at least in Poblado and Laureles), but you can still find good deals on food, fresh fruit, etc. I used to use taxis, but now exclusively use Ubers or my driver. Scop has been around for decades, but it's use to commit crimes against gringos has escalated quite a bit. The exchange rate, once close to 6,000 is now back to about 4,800. Still good compared to the 2200 rate when I started going 18 years ago and the 1750 low during the GFC.

Good question about Mayorista. I have not been there in probably 10 years or more. At one time, it was a great and inexpensive place to go. Last time I went, not as many chicas and many who may have been less than the age required. Lost interest. But if someone says it's made a revival, I'd love to go back and remember all times.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2900237]This year I will be finally back to Medellin, after 5 years I could not enjoy it. I really did ANYTHING at night there, if someone remembers my 10 y old posts. I know my question will sound naif to everyone, but now in 2024 what are major changes after COVID? I am worried to go back and find nothing of the world I was used to know so well.

OK, I read about barricades and their removal in Centro. What is there now? The population of young and old girls at day and night changed a lot? Is the night there still a zoo of glue sniffers? Clubs in Plaza Botero, 53th, etc. Are still the same good ones?

Is Mayorista still active?

I will be grateful to any old reg who will want to share candid impressions. Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2900242]I have a friend dating a national beauty contest winner, and even though she is not my type at all, and I have zero interest in her (if she was single), I still would rate her high number, simply because I understand she looks beautiful to many guys. She is fit, takes care of herself, has beautiful face and smile, etc. An ugly chick would never win the contest of that level.[/QUOTE]1 depends on what region and who is hosting the contest. 2. You are trying to make objective your interpretation of what you think other guys find beautiful. Other guys from where, that look how, that have traditionally dated women that look like what?

The winner of Donald Trump's beauty pageant probably will not look the same as the winner of Dr. Umar Johnson's beauty pageant, probably will not look the same as George Lopez's beauty pageant, probably won't look the same as Joe Koy's beauty pageant, probably won't look the same as Russell Peter's beauty pageant. Beauty pageants are not created equal. They are based on a particular proprietor and audience.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2900227]I can hardly imagine paying a taxi driver with a 50 mil bill either. If you go from Nequi in Bello to La Estrella, I doubt you would get a fare up to 50 mil. Not really the point though. People with a lick of common sense keep some 20's 10's 5's and 2's to pay a taxi driver without trying to break a large bill.

Now if you want to say that you prefer one of the services, that is just fine. I like DiDi myself. The advantages are you can see how far off the pickup driver is. The cars are newer and much cleaner and you get an automatic fare set by distance which you can lower if you think you can get it for less.

But just to balance your opinion. I've lived here 5 years, speak Spanish but used to be called "Casper" in the service, so I am an obvious gringo. I have not had a driver try to rip me off in the manner you described. Quite the contrary, I've had drivers accept less when neither of us had change. Some taxis use their phone for GPS others don't. The worse thing I've seen is a driver going off on a non-optimal route and I am happy to speak up. Now I have heard some people here say that getting a cab in Poblado near Parque Lleras is a different animal and that may well be true but I don't fish in those waters.

The ex-pats that I hang with have likewise never mentioned a problem with taxis. One is pretty lazy and speaks less Spanish than a 6 year old. He hands the taxi a card with the address where he wants to go. Even he hasn't ever mentioned a problem.[/QUOTE]It happened to me once in Bogota years ago when grabbing a taxi leaving from Montserrate back to Santa Fe and then in Medellin the failed attempt at it which was in 2022. Since then I try to avoid regular non-app taxis.

I said 50mil bcuz knowledge had originally said he got got for a 50mil.. It can be a 20mil or whatever. I assure you though there are taxistas doing that with fake notes..

[QUOTE=Villainy;2900227]I can hardly imagine paying a taxi driver with a 50 mil bill either. If you go from Nequi in Bello to La Estrella, I doubt you would get a fare up to 50 mil. Not really the point though. People with a lick of common sense keep some 20's 10's 5's and 2's to pay a taxi driver without trying to break a large bill.

Now if you want to say that you prefer one of the services, that is just fine. I like DiDi myself. The advantages are you can see how far off the pickup driver is. The cars are newer and much cleaner and you get an automatic fare set by distance which you can lower if you think you can get it for less.

But just to balance your opinion. I've lived here 5 years, speak Spanish but used to be called "Casper" in the service, so I am an obvious gringo. I have not had a driver try to rip me off in the manner you described. Quite the contrary, I've had drivers accept less when neither of us had change. Some taxis use their phone for GPS others don't. The worse thing I've seen is a driver going off on a non-optimal route and I am happy to speak up. Now I have heard some people here say that getting a cab in Poblado near Parque Lleras is a different animal and that may well be true but I don't fish in those waters.

The ex-pats that I hang with have likewise never mentioned a problem with taxis. One is pretty lazy and speaks less Spanish than a 6 year old. He hands the taxi a card with the address where he wants to go. Even he hasn't ever mentioned a problem.[/QUOTE]From Parque Lleras I always walked to Parque Poblado to the line of taxis waiting there. I've had a few taxis that hadn't reset the meter, 1 was over 15 k. Had another with a doctored meter. My normal trip cost 6500, but same route was at almost 10 k. Definitely, the Parque Lleras area is the place to be careful with taxis.

Knowing where you're going, the most direct route and having a rough idea of a cost, and having as near as possible exact change.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2900229]To each his own, but I for one enjoy comida colombiana.[/QUOTE]Even at home I'm eating Colombian food, cooked by real Colombians, at least once per week. The meat here is better though.

Assuming flights wouldn't get canceled, do you think traveling to Medellin when the entire week is filled with Thunderstorms and 60% chance of rain is worth it? Seems like the parque lleras is the main attraction and I'm not sure if it would dead during rain, or perhaps better deals are to be made if not many people are out. What would other options be in this case? Thanks.

[QUOTE=ParamAhmad;2900264]Please tell us how you prevent this web site's auto correction software from changing the second letter of the alphabet into the word "be" and the third letter of the alphabet into the word "see".[/QUOTE]It's SOOO annoying!

Workaround: upload your report, then spot the auto-correction edits, re-open your report with the edit function, make all changes. The damned auto-correction does not happen on edited text.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2900298]I remember you well. LOts has changed.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your detailed response.

Indeed, I have no doubt that you do the optimum (enjoy in your jacuzzi with girls you know or their relatives), but that's not achievable by poor me, who I will jump in town for one week, work at day, have only the night to roam around. I hope the Greiff, Berrio and Prado area have been not completely sanitized, LOL.

The situation is aggravated by the fact that most likely I will have a couple of naif colleagues to babysit, that is to take them out only to safe places, because they are really not into seedy environments as me. I should probably take them to CTG and tell them to go bed early in MDE. What would be the best safe night club in MDE? A place for no-brainers?

It's not hard to see who takes which girls in the plaza. Anyone interested can watch the girls talk to punters and watch them pair off and head to the hotels. I'm selfish, I focus on me and girls who interest me.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2900163]I have wondered the same thing. Who is taking these chubby unattractive older women hanging out in El Centro? There are so many other women who are younger, relatively more attractive or in better shape. It may be the case that they are providing good service to clients and are friendly and kind and the men appreciate the good service that they are providing. Clearly given that they are unattractive or older, they have to be good in bed otherwise I can't see how they are getting any business. As for the thicker girls, there is a market for that physical type and perhaps some of the local men prefer the meatier girls.[/QUOTE]

Welcome back, Plaza Botero / Parque Berrio are pretty much back to pre-pandemic conditions with a few changes. There are a couple of tourist oriented restaurant / cafes with a third due to open soon. The third one is The Social, a popular Provenza bar that serves Colombian pub grub. I believe they are going to take over the restaurant space in the museum. It will be interesting to hear your perspective.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2900410]Thanks for your detailed response.

Indeed, I have no doubt that you do the optimum (enjoy in your jacuzzi with girls you know or their relatives), but that's not achievable by poor me, who I will jump in town for one week, work at day, have only the night to roam around. I hope the Greiff, Berrio and Prado area have been not completely sanitized, LOL.

The situation is aggravated by the fact that most likely I will have a couple of naif colleagues to babysit, that is to take them out only to safe places, because they are really not into seedy environments as me. I should probably take them to CTG and tell them to go bed early in MDE. What would be the best safe night club in MDE? A place for no-brainers?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2900413]It's not hard to see who takes which girls in the plaza. Anyone interested can watch the girls talk to punters and watch them pair off and head to the hotels. I'm selfish, I focus on me and girls who interest me.[/QUOTE]Well yes and no. It would require that you stand around in that area for a while because the girls can stand around for a while before anyone talks to them. I'm not going to waste my time doing that.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2900298]The exchange rate, once close to 6,000 is now back to about 4,800. [/QUOTE]If you're talking about Colombia, the exchange rate is currently 3,911. The exchange rate hasn't been over 4,000 in awhile. When the rate went up to 4,500 a while back, prices were increased accordingly. Prices don't come down though so while they were adjusted up the value of the dollar against the peso has weakened significantly since then while the prices remain higher.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2900419]Welcome back, Plaza Botero / Parque Berrio are pretty much back to pre-pandemic conditions with a few changes. [/QUOTE]El Centro is garbage compared to what it was before C19 and much worse compared to several years ago.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2900437]El Centro is garbage compared to what it was before C19 and much worse compared to several years ago.[/QUOTE]While I had been to Bogota pre-pandemic I unfortunately didn't discover Medellin until 2020. However I do agree that Centro was much better at the end of 2020 when Colombia first opened back up to international flights and in 2021 as well. 2022 was still better but starting to go downhill. But when those stupid barriers went up in 2023 that's when Centro took a turn for the worst. Hopefully now that the barriers are gone it will be returning to how it used to be. It's only been a few months so it's still evolving but it does feel more open and free like how it used to. Now we just need the quality of the women to go back to where it used to be and we will be all set.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2900435]If you're talking about Colombia, the exchange rate is currently 3,911. The exchange rate hasn't been over 4,000 in awhile. When the rate went up to 4,500 a while back, prices were increased accordingly. Prices don't come down though so while they were adjusted up the value of the dollar against the peso has weakened significantly since then while the prices remain higher.[/QUOTE]I was going to call him out on the 6000 and 4800 too but then I reread his post and didn't see where he said dollar anywhere he just said exchange rate, so I deduced that he must be talking about Great British Pounds instead of dollars and a quick Google search confirmed this. Just last week the GBP to COP was in the lower 4900's and it's currently in the low 5000's.

So I'm pretty sure he was referring to GBP to COP when he mentioned 6000 and 4800.

Our good friend and underground reporter Osteoknot shared an idea that hasn't been mentioned. If you book your hotels or apartments with [URL]booking.com[/URL] and have some level of history with them you can get a private car from the airport to your residence free of charge. You will of course tip the driver but there is no fee and you don't pay the airport exit fee or tunnel fee either.

The driver will be outside of customs as you go through and will have your name on a sign.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2900484]Our good friend and underground reporter Osteoknot shared an idea that hasn't been mentioned. If you book your hotels or apartments with [URL]booking.com[/URL] and have some level of history with them you can get a private car from the airport to your residence free of charge. You will of course tip the driver but there is no fee and you don't pay the airport exit fee or tunnel fee either.

The driver will be outside of customs as you go through and will have your name on a sign.[/QUOTE]I speak for everyone here on the Medellin thread in saying that we miss reading Osteoknot's informative posts and we hope that he is doing well. I have seen those dudes with the signs with names standing by the lower level door that exits out to the bus and taxi area. I always thought it was some expensive shit for rich people LOL.

Just got back last night after 10 day stay. Airport is 3460/$ exchange. Exchanges places around Poblado & Oviedo & Sante Fe malls are 3660/$ and I got 3920 using Davienda ATM declining conversion rate & I'll get the fee back using Schwab card. , so actually 3920+.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2900513]Just got back last night after 10 day stay. Airport is 3460/$ exchange. Exchanges places around Poblado & Oviedo & Sante Fe malls are 3660/$ and I got 3920 using Davienda ATM declining conversion rate & I'll get the fee back using Schwab card. , so actually 3920+.[/QUOTE]Davivienda is the only way anyone should be getting money. The rest of the other options are all ripoff plain and simple.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2900462]I was going to call him out on the 6000 and 4800 too but then I reread his post and didn't see where he said dollar anywhere he just said exchange rate, so I deduced that he must be talking about Great British Pounds instead of dollars and a quick Google search confirmed this. Just last week the GBP to COP was in the lower 4900's and it's currently in the low 5000's.

So I'm pretty sure he was referring to GBP to COP when he mentioned 6000 and 4800.[/QUOTE]Good catch, if that is the case. As far as the dollar, we have been getting hit since the high around 4,500 as I mentioned. Prices got pegged to that amount and were never recalibrated as the value of the dollar declined. IMO. This has affected everything from real estate to groceries.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2900527]Good catch, if that is the case. As far as the dollar, we have been getting hit since the high around 4,500 as I mentioned. Prices got pegged to that amount and were never recalibrated as the value of the dollar declined. IMO. This has affected everything from real estate to groceries.[/QUOTE]Actually the dollar went as high as 5000 cop back in 2022 around the time I got my apartment and was buying furniture and shit. I want to say mid to late summer of 2022 thru beginning of 2023 the dollar was between 4900 and 5100 during that time like Q3 2022 until Q1 2023.

The new mayor Fico Gutiérrez is now going after Airbnb and according to this story short-term rentals in residential areas are going to be prohibited within the city of Medellin.

[URL]https://youtu.be/NqcrwmmgLJg?si=ldBdy3T2ZkdxE-JD[/URL]

Follow Along.

My bad. I hit the wrong keys and failed to proof. Hi was around 5,000 and current is in the high 3000's. But still a great rate compared to when I start going 18 years ago (about 2200-2400) and the all-time low of around 1700-1750. The only good thing about the low rate of 1700-1750 due to the GFC was that a lot of guys could no longer afford to go and the girls were desperate. It was a good time to be a gringo who could pay with the crappy exchange rate. While the higher exchange rate is good in some ways, it's also bad because it's attracted guys who would have never gone otherwise.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2900527]Good catch, if that is the case. As far as the dollar, we have been getting hit since the high around 4,500 as I mentioned. Prices got pegged to that amount and were never recalibrated as the value of the dollar declined. IMO. This has affected everything from real estate to groceries.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2900569]My bad. I hit the wrong keys and failed to proof. Hi was around 5,000 and current is in the high 3000's. But still a great rate compared to when I start going 18 years ago (about 2200-2400) and the all-time low of around 1700-1750. The only good thing about the low rate of 1700-1750 due to the GFC was that a lot of guys could no longer afford to go and the girls were desperate. It was a good time to be a gringo who could pay with the crappy exchange rate. While the higher exchange rate is good in some ways, it's also bad because it's attracted guys who would have never gone otherwise.[/QUOTE]I guess my critical thinking was wrong then. But as you can see from this chart here the GBP did hit 6000 COP as a high point and recently was around 4800 so you could see how one could think that.

It would be nice to be a British digital nomad getting paid a nice salary in GBP while working from home living in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2900563]The new mayor Fico Gutirrez is now going after Airbnb and according to this story short-term rentals in residential areas are going to be prohibited within the city of Medellin.

[URL]https://youtu.be/NqcrwmmgLJg?si=ldBdy3T2ZkdxE-JD[/URL]

Follow Along.[/QUOTE]Is El Poblado part of Medellin so no more Air bnbs?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2900510]I speak for everyone here on the Medellin thread in saying that we miss reading Osteoknot's informative posts and we hope that he is doing well.[/QUOTE]You don't speak for me. I'm glad there are no more of his posts.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2900130]Oasis Massein (03-09-2024).

Transversal 42 b #63 c-45, Conquistadores. Chicas: _ Prices: 285 p.

Hours: Monday to Friday 11 am to 7 pm, Saturdays 11 am to 5 pm, Closed Sundays.

Tel: + 57 323xxxx7-62.[/QUOTE]I walked there using a maps app that shows it on Transversal 42B (I'm not sure about Calle versus Transversal; they seem to be the same) between Carrera 66B & Diagonal 65D.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2900563]The new mayor Fico Gutirrez is now going after Airbnb and according to this story short-term rentals in residential areas are going to be prohibited within the city of Medellin.

[URL]https://youtu.be/NqcrwmmgLJg?si=ldBdy3T2ZkdxE-JD[/URL]

Follow Along.[/QUOTE]One more pitfall in investing in another country. You can not predict when laws will change and you are stuck with your dick in your hand. Wasn't someone the other day talking about how they are about to buy a place to fix up for an airbnb? If this news had come out in another week or 2 then they would have been fucked.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2900234]Ahahahah! You sure? :-D She does not know Google, right?
You might get the (good) surprise of your life.[/QUOTE]Nah she's not the type to do that.

Yea anyone can find out MDE is top mongering spot in seconds, but how many casual females travelers are likely to run into that fact on their own. Idk?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2900563]The new mayor Fico Gutirrez is now going after Airbnb and according to this story short-term rentals in residential areas are going to be prohibited within the city of Medellin.

[URL]https://youtu.be/NqcrwmmgLJg?si=ldBdy3T2ZkdxE-JD[/URL]

Follow Along.[/QUOTE]Little alarmist. I bet the definition of "residential areas" is rather specific and many areas do not qualify as not residential (where the first floors are commercial).

Would love to hear from anyone here that has visited and spent some time in Itagui.

It seems to be pretty close to El Poblado, maybe an hour drive?

I am meeting many beautiful chicas on Facebook who are from there. Many will travel to Poblado some won't.

Might be a nice change for a day or so to visit?

The licensing rules are not changing. I think the mayor is referring to stronger selected enforcement in response to citizen complaints about high rental rates. Fico is a skillful politician. He keeps up with the opposition and the liberal opposition is behind a campaign that promotes the idea that Airbnb investors are pricing low income residents out of neighborhoods.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2900692]Little alarmist. I bet the definition of "residential areas" is rather specific and many areas do not qualify as not residential (where the first floors are commercial).[/QUOTE]

The barriers were 100% the low point since the pandemic. I say this from the perspective of someone who was in Plaza Botero most days during the pandemic, because we weren't allowed to be many other places. Since the barriers were removed, I notice steady improvement. It's not where it used to be yet but the trend is encouraging. Before the barrier I took being able to circulate from behind the church to the front of the plaza for granted. It makes a big difference that all the girls are no longer squeezed into a two street dog leg along the side of and behind the church.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2900448]While I had been to Bogota pre-pandemic I unfortunately didn't discover Medellin until 2020. However I do agree that Centro was much better at the end of 2020 when Colombia first opened back up to international flights and in 2021 as well. 2022 was still better but starting to go downhill. But when those stupid barriers went up in 2023 that's when Centro took a turn for the worst. Hopefully now that the barriers are gone it will be returning to how it used to be. It's only been a few months so it's still evolving but it does feel more open and free like how it used to. Now we just need the quality of the women to go back to where it used to be and we will be all set.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2900613]One more pitfall in investing in another country. You can not predict when laws will change and you are stuck with your dick in your hand. Wasn't someone the other day talking about how they are about to buy a place to fix up for an airbnb? If this news had come out in another week or 2 then they would have been fucked.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I was going to buy a 3 bedroom apartment / condo in El Poblado. But the property was in probate and one of the 30 heirs would not agree to sell. So I passed. Now I am not going to. My real estate agent says they apartments can be rented by the month. Maybe by the week. But daily rental is out.

I believe there are a a couple of reports of how a typical threesome unfolds here. In general, if the girls don't like each other or if there is no genuine chemistry then its sex with one while the other Chica is waiting and then vice versa. At most you can find them rubbing boobs of each other while you are having sex with one of them.

The only time I have had a great threesome was with a chica who is so in love with her female friend Diana. Diana is a typical barrio chica who goes out with foreigners and for 200 each they showed me a good time but it was very fun watching them have sex with each other. Overall, Its certainly is far from how a typical threesome is shown in porn.

I have a different situation. A early fifties woman is traveling for a weekend are and are. I am playing wingman. Showing her around the city. Restaurants, parklleras, tourists spots etc. While I am a certified pussy hound, in this case, I am neither interested in a threesome nor want to be involved in a swinger type of environment with my female friend.

I do want to arrange / offer a male prepago or a young guy who can show her a good time. I know the city very well and I know all types of paisa chicas, different body types to different skills in bed. I just don't know any male gigolos. Only guys I know here are other mongers or local friends who are professionals (lawyers, taxi guys or remote IT guys etc) and other expats. I know this is not Jamaica, which is a known monger destination for older women, but I am sure there is a dick somewhere in MDE doing this work. Jejeje.

[QUOTE=LivingFossil;2899951]I've been to MDE several times using SA, Tinder, FB, and always have an amazing time!

I got married not to long ago and my wife knows I like to travel and knows I have been to Colombia and has always wanted to go too.

Of course she doesn't know I monger. Shhh.

We have had threesomes in sex prison America before, very rarely, never pay for play. My wife is younger attractive and is open minded, that's only why I could get married with her.

She mentioned trying to get a threesome in MDE. I don't think she know is top sex tourism spot, I will be hiding her from all the obvious Lleras working girls as best a possible LOL.

I much rather go to MDE alone but since I am going there with my wife.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2900569]My bad. I hit the wrong keys and failed to proof. Hi was around 5,000 and current is in the high 3000's. But still a great rate compared to when I start going 18 years ago (about 2200-2400) and the all-time low of around 1700-1750. The only good thing about the low rate of 1700-1750 due to the GFC was that a lot of guys could no longer afford to go and the girls were desperate. It was a good time to be a gringo who could pay with the crappy exchange rate. While the higher exchange rate is good in some ways, it's also bad because it's attracted guys who would have never gone otherwise.[/QUOTE]The rate went as high as 5,100, but that was very very short lived. It seemed to be 4,500 or slightly north most of the time. However, local prices were increased to offset the devaluation of the peso since many things are imported and paid for in dollars. So, the net effect wasn't really an increase in purchasing power.

El Centro casas, for example, prices were 35,000-40,000 a few years ago for a half hour and some casas had specials were you could get 2 chicas for around that price. Now the casas average around 65,000 for a half hour and that is only for one chica.

[QUOTE=Hunglow1625;2900697]Would love to hear from anyone here that has visited and spent some time in Itagui.

It seems to be pretty close to El Poblado, maybe an hour drive?

I am meeting many beautiful chicas on Facebook who are from there. Many will travel to Poblado some won't.

Might be a nice change for a day or so to visit?[/QUOTE]Way less than an hour drive. It's part of the metro area just South and West of Medellin (and Poblado is in the South of Medellin).

Itagui has bad areas and some good areas also. The better areas will be on the Eastern side (bordering Envigado).

[QUOTE=Combo;2900786]Way less than an hour drive. It's part of the metro area just South and West of Medellin (and Poblado is in the South of Medellin).

Itagui has bad areas and some good areas also. The better areas will be on the Eastern side (bordering Envigado).[/QUOTE]Lmao isn't it just like a cpl metro stations past Poblado station? It's literally like 5 min.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2900758]The rate went as high as 5,100, but that was very very short lived. It seemed to be 4,500 or slightly north most of the time. However, local prices were increased to offset the devaluation of the peso since many things are imported and paid for in dollars. So, the net effect wasn't really an increase in purchasing power.

El Centro casas, for example, prices were 35,000-40,000 a few years ago for a half hour and some casas had specials were you could get 2 chicas for around that price. Now the casas average around 65,000 for a half hour and that is only for one chica.[/QUOTE]AHh don't remind me, I was in CO the first day of lockdown during pandemic. I remember having smoking dime hotties coming to the crib, staying overnight with BB and facaisl for like $38. I knew at the time I was having super rare era and never again. I used to have one BJ queen come once a week that was like maybe $22 bucks. Ahh the Golden era. I was smashing a new chick 3 x a week for better part of almost a year.

There was alos this weird moment where the prices didn't adjust so I had all this US dollar Buying power and everything was on sale for me. Its weird to think it was like 4 years now however I will always cherish that time.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2900758]The rate went as high as 5,100, but that was very very short lived. It seemed to be 4,500 or slightly north most of the time. However, local prices were increased to offset the devaluation of the peso since many things are imported and paid for in dollars. So, the net effect wasn't really an increase in purchasing power.

El Centro casas, for example, prices were 35,000-40,000 a few years ago for a half hour and some casas had specials were you could get 2 chicas for around that price. Now the casas average around 65,000 for a half hour and that is only for one chica.[/QUOTE]After Trump gets reelected it's going to be heading back towards 5100.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2900720]The barriers were 100% the low point since the pandemic. I say this from the perspective of someone who was in Plaza Botero most days during the pandemic, because we weren't allowed to be many other places. Since the barriers were removed, I notice steady improvement. It's not where it used to be yet but the trend is encouraging. Before the barrier I took being able to circulate from behind the church to the front of the plaza for granted. It makes a big difference that all the girls are no longer squeezed into a two street dog leg along the side of and behind the church.[/QUOTE]I saw a video of Plaza Botero shot at night when the barriers were up and was kind of shocked on how clean and spacious it was. The people who were there were definitely mostly tourists taking photos with the sculptures without any worries. There were no vendors or other usual centro locals anywhere within the plaza until once outside the barriers. From a tourist point of view, I kind of liked the atmosphere knowing that this was at night time and I would be safe taking photos but I suppose from a local's point of view, it was like being discriminated against from a public space. So I could see both sides here.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2900797]AHh don't remind me, I was in CO the first day of lockdown during pandemic. I remember having smoking dime hotties coming to the crib, staying overnight with BB and facaisl for like $38. I knew at the time I was having super rare era and never again. I used to have one BJ queen come once a week that was like maybe $22 bucks. Ahh the Golden era. I was smashing a new chick 3 x a week for better part of almost a year.

There was alos this weird moment where the prices didn't adjust so I had all this US dollar Buying power and everything was on sale for me. Its weird to think it was like 4 years now however I will always cherish that time.[/QUOTE]I've lived full-time in Medellin for almost 7 years now so I remember how things were before, during and after C19.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2900809]I've lived full-time in Medellin for almost 7 years now so I remember how things were before, during and after C19.[/QUOTE]Remember pico why cedula where they wouldn't let us into banks or even D1 depending on what day of the week it was and what number your passport or cedula ended in?

Luckily I had my passport book and passport card and one was even and one was odd so I would just switch off depending on what day it was if I needed to go to D1.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2900749]I believe there are a a couple of reports of how a typical threesome unfolds here. In general, if the girls don't like each other or if there is no genuine chemistry then its sex with one while the other Chica is waiting and then vice versa. At most you can find them rubbing boobs of each other while you are having sex with one of them.

The only time I have had a great threesome was with a chica who is so in love with her female friend Diana. Diana is a typical barrio chica who goes out with foreigners and for 200 each they showed me a good time but it was very fun watching them have sex with each other. Overall, Its certainly is far from how a typical threesome is shown in porn.

I have a different situation. A early fifties woman is traveling for a weekend are and are. I am playing wingman. Showing her around the city. Restaurants, parklleras, tourists spots etc. While I am a certified pussy hound, in this case, I am neither interested in a threesome nor want to be involved in a swinger type of environment with my female friend.

I do want to arrange / offer a male prepago or a young guy who can show her a good time. I know the city very well and I know all types of paisa chicas, different body types to different skills in bed. I just don't know any male gigolos. Only guys I know here are other mongers or local friends who are professionals (lawyers, taxi guys or remote IT guys etc) and other expats. I know this is not Jamaica, which is a known monger destination for older women, but I am sure there is a dick somewhere in MDE doing this work. Jejeje.[/QUOTE]If you ask any of your female friends they'll more than likely know guys. It's usually young pretty boy gay guys who provide older ladies a service.

I've been very pleasantly surprised that the police have kept the roving cart vendors and their blaring speakers out of the plaza. They used to make the area so unpleasant.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2900802]I saw a video of Plaza Botero shot at night when the barriers were up and was kind of shocked on how clean and spacious it was. The people who were there were definitely mostly tourists taking photos with the sculptures without any worries. There were no vendors or other usual centro locals anywhere within the plaza until once outside the barriers. From a tourist point of view, I kind of liked the atmosphere knowing that this was at night time and I would be safe taking photos but I suppose from a local's point of view, it was like being discriminated against from a public space. So I could see both sides here.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hunglow1625;2900697]Would love to hear from anyone here that has visited and spent some time in Itagui.

It seems to be pretty close to El Poblado, maybe an hour drive?

I am meeting many beautiful chicas on Facebook who are from there. Many will travel to Poblado some won't.

Might be a nice change for a day or so to visit?[/QUOTE]Hmmm. Lots of parts of Medellin, and of connected cities such as Itagui. Not sure what you would do there though. Guess you could wander around a bit. The old stroll area in the Mayorista is not much to see, but at night might be interesting still. Not sure. As someone posted it is only a couple of metro stops past Poblado and that would be the fastest way of getting there.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2900510]I speak for everyone here on the Medellin thread in saying that we miss reading Osteoknot's informative posts and we hope that he is doing well. I have seen those dudes with the signs with names standing by the lower level door that exits out to the bus and taxi area. I always thought it was some expensive shit for rich people LOL.[/QUOTE]NOOO way pal. Gone & good riddance to Osteo, he took over the forum & most of the board is enslaved to his adventures. Kinda like being enslaved to DJT.

[QUOTE=Hunglow1625;2900697]Would love to hear from anyone here that has visited and spent some time in Itagui.

It seems to be pretty close to El Poblado, maybe an hour drive?

I am meeting many beautiful chicas on Facebook who are from there. Many will travel to Poblado some won't.

Might be a nice change for a day or so to visit?[/QUOTE]You could walk to Itagui from Poblado in an hour, on crutches. It's literally on the other side of the river. I used to walk there a few times a week, from Poblado.

Except you're moving from an upscale neighborhood to a much less affluent neighborhood It's no change at all. If a girl won't come to Poblado, a 5-10 minute taxi ride, when traffic isn't bad, you're wasting your time talking to her.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2900802]I saw a video of Plaza Botero shot at night when the barriers were up and was kind of shocked on how clean and spacious it was. The people who were there were definitely mostly tourists taking photos with the sculptures without any worries. There were no vendors or other usual centro locals anywhere within the plaza until once outside the barriers. From a tourist point of view, I kind of liked the atmosphere knowing that this was at night time and I would be safe taking photos but I suppose from a local's point of view, it was like being discriminated against from a public space. So I could see both sides here.[/QUOTE]Sunset in Medellin is around 6 pm, year round. There's a huge difference in the area between night at 7 pm and night at 10 pm.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2900856]Hmmm. Lots of parts of Medellin, and of connected cities such as Itagui. Not sure what you would do there though. Guess you could wander around a bit. The old stroll area in the Mayorista is not much to see, but at night might be interesting still.[/QUOTE]Wow, that's a place haven't heard about in a along time. That was the place to go or one of the main places to go way back. Plenty of girls were there and you could get them for practically nothing. Now it's like you get what you pay for. You dont pay much you don’t get much. But that's a good question, I wonder how it is there now at night.

I got caught doing that by a policeman when he remembered I had been shopping at a Justo & Bueno (remember them?) the day before. I used to alternate my cedula with foreign IDs with even numbers. He let me in but told me not to come back for a week.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2900820]Remember pico why cedula where they wouldn't let us into banks or even D1 depending on what day of the week it was and what number your passport or cedula ended in?

Luckily I had my passport book and passport card and one was even and one was odd so I would just switch off depending on what day it was if I needed to go to D1.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2900613]One more pitfall in investing in another country. You can not predict when laws will change and you are stuck with your dick in your hand.[/QUOTE]This is valid for ANY country, including your (and my, different one) country.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2900850]I've been very pleasantly surprised that the police have kept the roving cart vendors and their blaring speakers out of the plaza. They used to make the area so unpleasant.[/QUOTE]I don't mind vendors especially the food ones since it's always interesting for tourists to sample local eats. It's the 'dangerous' folks (pickpocketers, robbers, etc) I hoped they kept away.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2900820]Remember pico why cedula where they wouldn't let us into banks or even D1 depending on what day of the week it was and what number your passport or cedula ended in?

Luckily I had my passport book and passport card and one was even and one was odd so I would just switch off depending on what day it was if I needed to go to D1.[/QUOTE]Of course I remember that BS. I hated that. My people back in Florida were talking about some restrictions and I used to tell them they had it easy and didn't know what a real lockdown was because we had it in Colombia. The whole thing was stupid because initially people with dogs could go out everyday but everyone else had to stay indoors. Also, they started letting people go out on certain days to exercise and that was a joke also. The pico thing didn't bother me because I live near 2 supermarkets and was able to stock up but in the beginning just not being able to go out was weird. I'm sure there were people that were still walking around and risking it, but I did read about some tourists that got deported during that time for not following the rules.

Of course in El Centro it was harder to enforce rules because there are so many homeless people and drug addicts. I think this was also the case in many of the barrios where the police don't go anyway.

We also had the Facemask thing longer than some other places and they were still doing it at the airport long after things had died down.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2900110]Went to la isla last night. Stuck around for 2 hours looking for my 10 but couldn't find anything. Not even a 9. There were a few 8's but none of them tickled my fancy. I know I know, beauty is subjective. Just unimpressed overall is the point I want to make. Now that the clubs in cartagena closed down, where are all the 9's and 10's going? They are not in la isla. They can't ALL have gone abroad. Did they go to Bogota? Someone lead me on the path to 10's please, money is not an issue.[/QUOTE]In my opinion, They are on webcam, onlyfans etc. Seems there are enough guys to pay them without having to touch them is keeping them out of view (digital accepted). Why don't you pay a gopher to get you the inaccessible 10's? Befriend taxi drivers or some people in gyms. See what they say if they do any or are open to "matchmaking". Of course it is riskier as you are going to have to trust strangers who could easily rob you in the future. As I said, webcam and onlyfans is probably the main culprit why you don't see these hotties out and about. Maybe the gophers have access to some but either way good luck.

If you are still having no luck, Try meeting one of these webcam chicks outside of work since money is not an issue as you say. Use a VPN in Colombia to have full access, and have a go. Aside from the fraud (fake whatsapps, a monitor pretending to respond to WhatsApp messages whilst you think the model is responding) there are models who do meet up if they like you or want your money. There are no guarantees. Definitely, limit how much you tip as you do realize it's their job to suck you dry.

[QUOTE=LivingFossil;2899951]I've been to MDE several times using SA, Tinder, FB, and always have an amazing time!

I got married not to long ago and my wife knows I like to travel and knows I have been to Colombia and has always wanted to go too.

Of course she doesn't know I monger. Shhh.

We have had threesomes in sex prison America before, very rarely, never pay for play. My wife is younger attractive and is open minded, that's only why I could get married with her.

She mentioned trying to get a threesome in MDE. I don't think she know is top sex tourism spot, I will be hiding her from all the obvious Lleras working girls as best a possible LOL.

I much rather go to MDE alone but since I am going there with my wife.

Does anyone have experience with threesomes that you bring the girl or would straight girls be down to just my wife fuck them?[/QUOTE]You don't want your wife catching something from the Lleras chicks. I certainly hope she realizes that they are all working girls. If she's fine with it, and knows the risks great, your conscience won't take a hit if she did. Not sure about lesbian or bi tinder profiles which are not P4P, give it a go. Lastly, hit a lesbian bar with her if the P4P route and tinder etc is dry. Lots of girls in those bars are bi. Good luck! Please do share your experience!

[QUOTE=Robotron;2898694]I think her jugs, not breasts, may be naturales. Based on those stats alone, I'd retire from the hobby and earn a high paying job at Mcdonalds in the US and have her raise my nepo babies locally.

Back to SA, as far as scams go, are there specific and safe restaurants or places to take these women on the Meet / Greet date, and is it protocol to only send her way the Uber / Taxi itself if necessary, rather than me ever sending her money online to get the ride herself?

Also based on your experiences, what have been the minimum and maximum COP to offer the SA girls? If I wanted a few hours or overnight, or she happens to be extremely attractive etc. It's around 3-500 USD Minimum in the USA on SA unfortunately for a few hours or even less time. Thinking I'd always negotiate online beforehand rather than waiting until meeting in person to discuss payments. But I do like to at least mention upfront I'd give them X amount to reel them in and see what they're looking for.[/QUOTE]Sweet chick! I'm not on SA, but good luck with her!

To pay the fee 3 to 4 times in a year is a bit too much. Has anyone found a better solution like having a multi year visitor visa?

I don't mind the vendors themselves. It's their dueling loudspeakers that used to make the plaza a living hell in the late afternoon.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2901029]I don't mind vendors especially the food ones since it's always interesting for tourists to sample local eats. It's the 'dangerous' folks (pickpocketers, robbers, etc) I hoped they kept away.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Plan77;2901482]To pay the fee 3 to 4 times in a year is a bit too much. Has anyone found a better solution like having a multi year visitor visa?[/QUOTE]Nope, there is no such visa. Your only solution is to go there less, or go fewer times but stay longer.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2901563]I don't mind the vendors themselves. It's their dueling loudspeakers that used to make the plaza a living hell in the late afternoon.[/QUOTE]Those vendors ruin the tour guides jobs because the tourists can not hear the tour guide over the vendor's speakers. Also, it ruins the businesses of the new restaurants and their outside eating. No fun eating a meal next to blaring noise.

Thieves use the vendors to hide behind and to hide the stolen item as they run past. Then if caught they have no stolen item on them. Then 20 minutes later they go find their vendor friend and get their stolen item. Even if the vendor is not their friend they will probably to do so as not to have problems with the groups of thief thugs.

Maybe a visa would exempt you from the fee. The thing about visas is they become invalid if you stay out of the country six months or more at a time.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2901482]To pay the fee 3 to 4 times in a year is a bit too much. Has anyone found a better solution like having a multi year visitor visa?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tudman;2901388]You don't want your wife catching something from the Lleras chicks. I certainly hope she realizes that they are all working girls. If she's fine with it, and knows the risks great, your conscience won't take a hit if she did. Not sure about lesbian or bi tinder profiles which are not P4P, give it a go. Lastly, hit a lesbian bar with her if the P4P route and tinder etc is dry. Lots of girls in those bars are bi. Good luck! Please do share your experience![/QUOTE]I have done Lleras chicks, only with condom, in fact I never do BBFS with any girl not my wife, I don't get y'all who do with these highway mile girls. But to each his own.

Anyone in Lleras would know they are working, we will not be going there at night LOL.

Lesbian bar is not a bad idea, I don't know where to begin, but will look.

Is there a consensus on which bank or ATM is the best way to get COP out?

I get all fees reimbursed but the exchange rate on some ATMs suck bad, its better maybe even to take USD and exchange it?

ATMs in Poblado have horrible rates, are there decent ones in the airport? I've seen tons of variation.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2901642]Nope, there is no such visa. Your only solution is to go there less, or go fewer times but stay longer.[/QUOTE]This is not true Zeos.

There are several different visas he could get that would grant him access to Colombia for up to 3 years at a time without having to pay the entry fee. Such as the digital nomad visa, the student visa if he enrolls in Spanish classes at an accredited school in Colombia, the pensioners visa if he receives social security or any Canadian equivalent of which is $1000 usd per month or more, etc.

Granted they are not called a "visitor's visa" and maybe that's why you said that one doesn't exist but any of these 3 visas I mentioned can essentially function as a visitors visa because they allow multiple entries per year and they allow you to be outside of Colombia up to 6 months per year, so if he was a frequent traveler going back and forth each month for example, it may save him some money to get o digital nomad visa, for example instead of paying the entry fee every single month that he comes down.

Here's some more details on the evolving situation with the Airbnb rentals in Medellin:

[URL]https://youtu.be/kYMvH33t-lM?si=D-jbtkDkPmNVWN10[/URL]

Follow Along.

Yes, it is true. I visited Medellin for 9 days and was not drugged or robbed or kidnapped. My wallet and phone is still with me here at home. Now, I will say that I stayed in a hotel with security and did not walk around late at night drunk.

Attractive girls visited my hotel room, had sex with me and did not drug me but they did take away precious fluids from my body when they left. No one turned out to be a ladyboy. I enjoyed my sessions with all the girls but this was my sixth trip in the past year and a half so I have been learning from my mistakes.

I withdrew money from the ATMs and had no problems. The food was generally acceptable and I did not have food poisoning.

All in all, it was a good trip. No real complaints.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2901482]To pay the fee 3 to 4 times in a year is a bit too much. Has anyone found a better solution like having a multi year visitor visa?[/QUOTE]Get an European passport. It's easy for Canadians. Look into your ancestry. That's how I got my Italian passport.

In recent years, this has come to define a "good trip" for me too. In the day, I used to go out to bars, particularly Lleras. No more. I stay in the apartment, enjoy my chicas and the jacuzzi, watch Netflix, read. Occasionally I uber out to eat or to the mall, otherwise Rappi. I see 2-3 girls a day, so that keeps me pretty busy enough. Knock on wood, I've never been robbed or drugged or had my stuff stolen. I have always been careful in MDE, but now much more so, unless perhaps I am out with a local girl I trust.

If you want to a hang out in the street all night, go to the wrong barrio alone or with other gringos, flash your jewelry and money, be loud and obnoxious, pick up girls on the street at night, get drunk or high in public. More power to you, but good luck. Try not to get killed.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2901724]Yes, it is true. I visited Medellin for 9 days and was not drugged or robbed or kidnapped. My wallet and phone is still with me here at home. Now, I will say that I stayed in a hotel with security and did not walk around late at night drunk.

Attractive girls visited my hotel room, had sex with me and did not drug me but they did take away precious fluids from my body when they left. No one turned out to be a ladyboy. I enjoyed my sessions with all the girls but this was my sixth trip in the past year and a half so I have been learning from my mistakes.

I withdrew money from the ATMs and had no problems. The food was generally acceptable and I did not have food poisoning.

All in all, it was a good trip. No real complaints.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2901724]Yes, it is true. I visited Medellin for 9 days and was not drugged or robbed or kidnapped. My wallet and phone is still with me here at home. Now, I will say that I stayed in a hotel with security and did not walk around late at night drunk.

Attractive girls visited my hotel room, had sex with me and did not drug me but they did take away precious fluids from my body when they left. No one turned out to be a ladyboy. I enjoyed my sessions with all the girls but this was my sixth trip in the past year and a half so I have been learning from my mistakes.

[/QUOTE]If you bareback like some of these dudes, might want to hold off the celebration until you get your blood work done.

[QUOTE=LivingFossil;2901687]Is there a consensus on which bank or ATM is the best way to get COP out?

I get all fees reimbursed but the exchange rate on some ATMs suck bad, its better maybe even to take USD and exchange it?

ATMs in Poblado have horrible rates, are there decent ones in the airport? I've seen tons of variation.[/QUOTE]I was just in Poblado last week and got 3900+ before refunded fees from Schwab at Davienda. They let you draw 2 million too. Cash exchange places only giving 3660.

[QUOTE=LivingFossil;2901687]Is there a consensus on which bank or ATM is the best way to get COP out?

I get all fees reimbursed but the exchange rate on some ATMs suck bad, its better maybe even to take USD and exchange it?

ATMs in Poblado have horrible rates, are there decent ones in the airport? I've seen tons of variation.[/QUOTE]Did you try western union or remitly? For example, remitly charges $3. 99 anything under $500. Anything over $500 to Colombia is $0. As of 6:21 pm EST, March 16,2024 the rate is 3,883 to $1 USD if using remitly.

Eros / Castellana in Laureles, is this place closed? I went there today and the portero stopped me, when I told him where I was going, he said no esta aqui? Have they moved to a new place?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2901750]If you bareback like some of these dudes, might want to hold off the celebration until you get your blood work done.[/QUOTE]I've barebacked many Paisas clean bill of health I get std tests every 4 mos just to show girls I'm clean so I can bareback more.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2900110]Now that the clubs in cartagena closed down, where are all the 9's and 10's going? They are not in la isla. They can't ALL have gone abroad. Did they go to Bogota? Someone lead me on the path to 10's please, money is not an issue.[/QUOTE]Few go to dudes like me that give them a weekly allowance for in my 4 girl rotation of GFE baddies. I know a few 9's 1 or 2 10's I've haven't gotten to, that do get flown to European countries by old rich men and a few that make 2-3 trips to Dubai a year. But to answer your question they definitely aren't going to your Spirit Air weekend warrior broke lleras mongers. Theyre using instagram and dating apps to net their sugar daddies because it def pays more in the long run.

In general, I enjoy the atmosphere of strip clubs. What are some recommendations on places that are enjoyable and have good looking ladies with some good prices.

Thanks both of you for sharing the details of alternative visas. I was hoping to find a simple multi year multi entry tourist visa but obviously it does not exist.

I had some idea about the three other visas mentioned by Gabaho but can't stay in Colombia for 6 months. My Amigas in other countries will miss me. I mean my $$.

Sucks to be a Canadian.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2901642]Nope, there is no such visa. Your only solution is to go there less, or go fewer times but stay longer.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2901704]This is not true Zeos.

There are several different visas he could get that would grant him access to Colombia for up to 3 years at a time without having to pay the entry fee. Such as the digital nomad visa, the student visa if he enrolls in Spanish classes at an accredited school in Colombia, the pensioners visa if he receives social security or any Canadian equivalent of which is $1000 usd per month or more, etc.

Granted they are not called a "visitor's visa" and maybe that's why you said that one doesn't exist but any of these 3 visas I mentioned can essentially function as a visitors visa because they allow multiple entries per year and they allow you to be outside of Colombia up to 6 months per year, so if he was a frequent traveler going back and forth each month for example, it may save him some money to get o digital nomad visa, for example instead of paying the entry fee every single month that he comes down.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Plan77;2901877]Thanks both of you for sharing the details of alternative visas. I was hoping to find a simple multi year multi entry tourist visa but obviously it does not exist.

I had some idea about the three other visas mentioned by Gabaho but can't stay in Colombia for 6 months. My Amigas in other countries will miss me. I mean my $$.

Sucks to be a Canadian.[/QUOTE]It would be interesting to know if they do or do not charge the reciprocity fee to Canadians who have some sort of residency visa such as those you describe. One would still be entering on a Canadian passport, however as a legal resident. So I don't know. When you are in line to enter the country you are sent to the other line if you have a Canadian passport. An interesting question.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2901791]In general, I enjoy the atmosphere of strip clubs. What are some recommendations on places that are enjoyable and have good looking ladies with some good prices.[/QUOTE]Strip clubs in Colombia are an entirely different animal then those of the states.

It's basically a bordello that has a stage show. But check out.

La Isle which is like upscale, big, lots of room, lots of girls, stage shows, lights, rooms etc.

Other one is fase dos, a bit down tier but just as good.

[QUOTE=Maelstrom;2901782]I've barebacked many Paisas clean bill of health I get std tests every 4 mos just to show girls I'm clean so I can bareback more.[/QUOTE]It's probably more of a risk if you are barebacking Venezolanas. For the most part Paisas are clean.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2901906]It would be interesting to know if they do or do not charge the reciprocity fee to Canadians who have some sort of residency visa such as those you describe. One would still be entering on a Canadian passport, however as a legal resident. So I don't know. When you are in line to enter the country you are sent to the other line if you have a Canadian passport. An interesting question.[/QUOTE]Well seeing as you have to pay a fee in order to get the visa and the visa grants you unlimited entries and exits during the validity period of the visa it wouldn't make sense to also charge him the reciprocity fee since he already paid for the visa. I think the reciprocity fee is specifically for tourists entering on a 90 day tourist stamp with a Canadian passport.

Thanks for the tips, I'll check them out. Do you happen to know what prices to expect at those two?

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2901955]Strip clubs in Colombia are an entirely different animal then those of the states.

It's bascially a bordello that has a stage show. But check out.

La Isle which is like upscale, big, lots of room, lots of girls, stage shows, lights, rooms etc.

Other one is fase dos, a bit down tier but just as good.[/QUOTE]

My trip is finally coming up at the end of the week so I thought I'd hit up the group to see if anyone had any advice for me on Sunday? I arrive early Saturday morning and I leave midday on Tuesday. Trying to maximize my time and with one of those days being a Sunday I'd like to do what I can (even though I know it won't be the typical mongering day). Also, if anyone is around and wants to grab a drink or hit up some spots let me know.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2894427]Unfortunately for me I am deadlocked into being in Medellin on Sunday and would still like to monger as much as possible. Does anyone have any recommendations on where to go or how to find some decent quality?[/QUOTE]

Major nightclub was shut down last night in Lleras. Airbnb updates, DCBornRob, Medellin Tourism etc.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/live/gn9vC3WUc7E?si=YykARMByUfxoYk_3[/URL]

Timestamp: 10:10. Video footage of nightclub and lleras getting shutdown (Credits to Passport Dog)

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2902067]Major nightclub was shut down last night in Lleras. Airbnb updates, DCBornRob, Medellin Tourism etc.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/live/gn9vC3WUc7E?si=YykARMByUfxoYk_3[/URL]

Timestamp: 10:10. Video footage of nightclub and lleras getting shutdown (Credits to Passport Dog)[/QUOTE]Sounds like a lot of misinformation here. Until there is something official from a credible news source such as Minuto30, El Colombiano, or BluRadio then we can't just jump to conclusions.

I'm not saying the footage isn't real or it's AI like how they were saying in the video, but it may just be shut down for a day or two for some fixable violations they need to fix and then reopen again. To say that it's permanently shut down just based off this video footage is premature.

I don't frequent Poblado or Parque Lleras but I know there's a lot of money involved in those businesses down there and I'd assume they aren't going to just shut it down permanently without a lot of push back from the business owners.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2901877]Thanks both of you for sharing the details of alternative visas. I was hoping to find a simple multi year multi entry tourist visa but obviously it does not exist.

I had some idea about the three other visas mentioned by Gabaho but can't stay in Colombia for 6 months. My Amigas in other countries will miss me. I mean my $$.

Sucks to be a Canadian.[/QUOTE]Unless it has changed, you can get a 6 month student visa by prepaying for 3 months of classes. You can take the classes anytime in the 6 month period.

For example, you can sign up for 3 months of Spanish classes at EAFIT. The intense classes only last 2 weeks, 4 hours per day. You can do 2 weeks, leave, return later, take another 2 weeks, etc. Before the 6 months is up, sign up for 3 more. You can do that for as long as you want.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2902084]Sounds like a lot of misinformation here.[/QUOTE]Must be a market for people that get their information from a DC Bama on Youtube instead of reading or watching the primary sources of information in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2901482]To pay the fee 3 to 4 times in a year is a bit too much. Has anyone found a better solution like having a multi year visitor visa?[/QUOTE]Write to your representative? Ask them to drop the fee they charge colombians to visit Canada. Canada started the fee war first, Colombia is just retaliating to encourage Canada to drop their fee.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2902176]Write to your representative? Ask them to drop the fee they charge colombians to visit Canada. Canada started the fee war first, Colombia is just retaliating to encourage Canada to drop their fee.[/QUOTE]The issue is that Colombians need a visitor visa to Canada. Same as for the US. But Colombia charges Canadians a fee to be somewhat equivalent to what a visitor visa would cost a Colombian. They don't do that for US passport holders because they could not get away with it. And Canada is not in a position to waive the requirement for a visa as we did that for a while for Mexico and the US objected to it.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2902202]But Colombia charges Canadians a fee to be somewhat equivalent to what a visitor visa would cost a Colombian. They don't do that for US passport holders because they could not get away with it.[/QUOTE]How could they not get away with it when there are already many other countries that do? I recently had to purchase one for Ethiopia, Seychelles, and Kenya, along with a visa for Brazil. Seems other places are getting away with it just fine to me.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2902215]How could they not get away with it when there are already many other countries that do? I recently had to purchase one for Ethiopia, Seychelles, and Kenya, along with a visa for Brazil. Seems other places are getting away with it just fine to me.[/QUOTE]If I'm not mistaken Colombia receives millions if not billions of dollars from the US government every year in the form of defense funding, weapons, munitions, and even military training to help combat the guerilla fighters such as the FARC disidents and EZN as well as to eradicate coca farms.

Perhaps the US threatened to stop the funding if they were to impose reciprocity fees on us.

This was reported today on the news and is very disheartening.

Makes you wonder how many incidents of violence and robberies of foreigners are actually happening in Medellin.

Probably in the hundreds thus far in Medellin this year not including unreported incidents as well.

I hope this doesn't become a new stigma for the City if it continues unchecked.

Maybe it already has.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2902215]How could they not get away with it when there are already many other countries that do? I recently had to purchase one for Ethiopia, Seychelles, and Kenya, along with a visa for Brazil. Seems other places are getting away with it just fine to me.[/QUOTE]This is from nearly 20 years ago so I'm sure the numbers are much larger now but look at the amount of money Colombia receives (Andean Region) versus the amount of money Brazil receives from the US government.

This most likely plays a role in why Brazil would be more willing to charge US citizens a reciprocity fee and Colombia wouldn't want to. Colombia has a lot more to lose if they piss off the US.

I fact I think Colombia is the largest recipient of US foreign aid in all of Latin America. Behind only a few other countries such as Isreal and some others in the middle east.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2902215]How could they not get away with it when there are already many other countries that do? I recently had to purchase one for Ethiopia, Seychelles, and Kenya, along with a visa for Brazil. Seems other places are getting away with it just fine to me.[/QUOTE]All I am saying is that the country Colombia does not charge Americans a reciprocity fee on entry even though the process a Colombian needs to use to get a US visitor visa is no easier or cheaper than that for entering Canada. So they have chosen to not treat Americans in the same way. I only speculate on why. And perhaps it is because the cost to their economy or to their tourism industry might be too high if they did. So that is all I am saying. I don't have any inside information on it. Just an opinion or a guess on that part.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2902251]This is from nearly 20 years ago so I'm sure the numbers are much larger now but look at the amount of money Colombia receives (Andean Region) versus the amount of money Brazil receives from the US government.

This most likely plays a role in why Brazil would be more willing to charge US citizens a reciprocity fee and Colombia wouldn't want to. Colombia has a lot more to lose if they piss off the US.

I fact I think Colombia is the largest recipient of US foreign aid in all of Latin America. Behind only a few other countries such as Isreal and some others in the middle east.[/QUOTE]I found the up to date numbers specifically for Colombia. So for Fiscal year 2024 the Biden administration is giving Colombia $444 Million USD however this is less than they have given Colombia in previous years, due to the Petro government's decision to shift away from coca farm eradication.

I highly doubt Canada is sending Colombia $444 million USD per year. That's probably like Canada's whole GDP LOL.

So anyways this is most likely a determining factor in why the Colombian government would treat Canadians and Americans differently and why a country like Brazil wouldn't care since they don't receive much money anyways.

An unrelated question in all of this would be why is the US sending all this money to foreign governments while at the same time running a $34 trillion USD national debt that keeps growing each year?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2902391]An unrelated question in all of this would be why is the US sending all this money to foreign governments while at the same time running a $34 trillion USD national debt that keeps growing each year?[/QUOTE]Foreign aid is a drop in the bucket of the federal budget and arguably provides the best bang for the buck. Aid does many things; Direct projection of power and influence, improves national security, fosters diplomatic relationships, promotes economic interest (e. G. Money comes back to us in trade deals), and other things. America's global hegemony is bolstered and secured by minuscule (to the American budget) investments in other countries that reaps benefits in terms of trade deals and influence.

For more information, see China's Belt and Road initiative for a much more explicit example of how foreign investment is used to prop up one's own interests. Also, see China's foreign investment to understand why America's aid in integral to ensuring America's hegemony and status as global leader and why America would choose to do it. But, I guess some would debate would why America should be the global hegemon as opposed to regimes in China or Russia.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2902468]Foreign aid is a drop in the bucket of the federal budget and arguably provides the best bang for the buck. Aid does many things; Direct projection of power and influence, improves national security, fosters diplomatic relationships, promotes economic interest (e. G. Money comes back to us in trade deals), and other things. America's global hegemony is bolstered and secured by minuscule (to the American budget) investments in other countries that reaps benefits in terms of trade deals and influence.

For more information, see China's Belt and Road initiative for a much more explicit example of how foreign investment is used to prop up one's own interests. Also, see China's foreign investment to understand why America's aid in integral to ensuring America's hegemony and status as global leader and why America would choose to do it. But, I guess some would debate would why America should be the global hegemon as opposed to regimes in China or Russia.[/QUOTE]The US gets back ten fold the money it gives in 'aid' mostly in trade deals and access to resources.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2900110]Went to la isla last night. Stuck around for 2 hours looking for my 10 but couldn't find anything. Not even a 9. There were a few 8's but none of them tickled my fancy. I know I know, beauty is subjective. Just unimpressed overall is the point I want to make. Now that the clubs in cartagena closed down, where are all the 9's and 10's going? They are not in la isla. They can't ALL have gone abroad. Did they go to Bogota? Someone lead me on the path to 10's please, money is not an issue.[/QUOTE]Went last Saturday night, it was pretty much the same thing. Also I was a bit disappointed by the amount of ladies working on Saturday night, the club was not even half full. Also there were not that many visitors, I do think that the room charge to 600 k has not been a smart move, the place seems more quite ever since. Then again, I also went yesterday (Monday) and I actually felt there were a few more hotties. Went with a girl I had went with a few times, she's one of the older ones I guess, I'd say about 40, her ass is a bit saggy but she has very horny eyes, strokes my cock inside the club, so she's hard to resist in combination with those horny eyes LOL. Sex was quite good, but when I came, she also pretended to come, at least so I thought, she really overdid it in my experience which I felt is a turnoff, nobody screams that hard and intense when they come so it felt like she was really overdoing it, trying to fake an orgasm. However then I saw that she actually had squirted all over me, she looked at me all embarrassed and apologized, haha, so that was fun. So, still a great night but yeah I do feel La Isla used to be better.

[QUOTE=Medclubber;2902494]Went last Saturday night, it was pretty much the same thing. Also I was a bit disappointed by the amount of ladies working on Saturday night, the club was not even half full. Also there were not that many visitors, I do think that the room charge to 600 k has not been a smart move, the place seems more quite ever since. Then again, I also went yesterday (Monday) and I actually felt there were a few more hotties. Went with a girl I had went with a few times, she's one of the older ones I guess, I'd say about 40, her ass is a bit saggy but she has very horny eyes, strokes my cock inside the club, so she's hard to resist in combination with those horny eyes LOL. Sex was quite good, but when I came, she also pretended to come, at least so I thought, she really overdid it in my experience which I felt is a turnoff, nobody screams that hard and intense when they come so it felt like she was really overdoing it, trying to fake an orgasm. However then I saw that she actually had squirted all over me, she looked at me all embarassed and apologized, haha, so that was fun. So, still a great night but yeah I do feel La Isla used to be better.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your feedback on La Isla. Just to confirm, was the $600 K just for the room or was this inclusive with the girl? If not, how much was the girl?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2902523]Thanks for your feedback on La Isla. Just to confirm, was the $600 K just for the room or was this inclusive with the girl? If not, how much was the girl?[/QUOTE]Room + girl. Then add drinks + tipping of the girl and yeah, it's become expensive for sure. I actually talked about this with the girl I was yesterday, she said the same thing, that the move to 600 k hasn't been a good decision. Less visitors since and even less sex so less income for the club and the girls.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2902353]All I am saying is that the country Colombia does not charge Americans a reciprocity fee on entry even though the process a Colombian needs to use to get a US visitor visa is no easier or cheaper than that for entering Canada. So they have chosen to not treat Americans in the same way. I only speculate on why. And perhaps it is because the cost to their economy or to their tourism industry might be too high if they did. So that is all I am saying. I don't have any inside information on it. Just an opinion or a guess on that part.[/QUOTE][URL]https://unidad-administrativa-especial-migracion-colombia.micolombiadigital.gov.co/sites/unidad-administrativa-especial-migracion-colombia/content/files/000145/7242_resolucion-2676-de-2023.pdf[/URL]

BTW there is evidence that Colombian Immigration has certain autonomy in its decisions from the government.

[URL]https://thecitypaperbogota.com/news/colombia-to-charge-entry-fee-to-canadian-visitors-again/[/URL]#google_vignette.

Where are the best places to get uncovered BJ's and what's the cost? Looking for as many places as you can think of.

[QUOTE=Medclubber;2902534]Room + girl. Then add drinks + tipping of the girl and yeah, it's become expensive for sure. I actually talked about this with the girl I was yesterday, she said the same thing, that the move to 600 k hasn't been a good decision. Less visitors since and even less sex so less income for the club and the girls.[/QUOTE]So La Isla is more expensive than Loutron at $400 K and probably a lot noisier too given the strip club environment. Wonder how the rates at Fase Dos compare?

[QUOTE=Medclubber;2902534]Room + girl. Then add drinks + tipping of the girl and yeah, it's become expensive for sure. I actually talked about this with the girl I was yesterday, she said the same thing, that the move to 600 k hasn't been a good decision. Less visitors since and even less sex so less income for the club and the girls.[/QUOTE]Damn. What happened to the mongers whose time is worth more than the 600 K? Maybe their time was only worth the 400 K that it was before. Cheap Charlies.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2902556]Where are the best places to get uncovered BJ's and what's the cost? Looking for as many places as you can think of.[/QUOTE]It's luck of the draw in a casa you are better off with an independant from photoprepago or milerotics. However if you go to Energy for instance you will see prices between 50 K-100 K (more girls charrging 100 K now which I think is too much) BUT with casa you can't negotitate until you are in the room with them.

Better off looking for oral naturale on the sites with with indepdnats.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2902682]It's luck of the draw in a casa you are better off with an independant from photoprepago or milerotics. However if you go to Energy for instance you will see prices between 50 K-100 K (more girls charrging 100 K now which I think is too much) BUT with casa you can't negotitate until you are in the room with them.
Better off looking for oral naturale on the sites with with indepdnats.[/QUOTE]

Not true. As I've mentioned on this thread several times, in the casas I always ask the mamasan in charge if I can talk to the chica of my choice in private before committing and going to the room--and have never been turned down. Usually find a quite spot in the waiting room and negotiate extras like mamada natural (BBBJ) and besos con la lengua (DFK) in advance.

Also, since I usually am only visiting casas in search of a "hidden gem" to audition for a longer term relationship, before going to the room I'll often confirm that, if we have good chemistry in the sack, they will share their WHATSAPP contact and be available to visit me in my apartment--and have an ID that meets my building's strict requirements.

If, after this interview, we don't agree--or I don't get a good vibe (sense of her personality), I say thanks, pay the viewing fee, and move on.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2902556]Where are the best places to get uncovered BJ's and what's the cost? Looking for as many places as you can think of.[/QUOTE]There are no "places" and no standard cost. Its something you will have to negotiate or find out with each chica.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2902556]Where are the best places to get uncovered BJ's and what's the cost? Looking for as many places as you can think of.[/QUOTE]As far as the regular casa's the standard going is rate is 50 k. Of course you don't out right give them that you ask for sin condom and maybe you can get it gratis as part as the initial fee or a lot less than 50 k. With my experience you don't go above the standard price because usually, if not always, its a shitty BBBJ most likely because they don't like doing it or they have a problem with they do it only for a minute or whatever. But as far as the standard for SW's (el Centro) maybe someone else can comment on that but it's probably around the same price. Higher end casa's like energy I been quoted 150 k or 200 k and of course I opt out. Not taking that risk, especially when its more than the actual service. The best BBBJ I received at these places was either part of the service or I got for practically nothing, so its true the best things in life are free at least in this case.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2902583]So La Isla is more expensive than Loutron at $400 K and probably a lot noisier too given the strip club environment. Wonder how the rates at Fase Dos compare?[/QUOTE]Loutron used to be about the same price as La Isla, maybe a little more. Both were under 300 K FaseII was about half of that. The price changed because they now attract different customers.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2902240]If I'm not mistaken Colombia receives millions if not billions of dollars from the US government every year in the form of defense funding, weapons, munitions, and even military training to help combat the guerilla fighters such as the FARC disidents and EZN as well as to eradicate coca farms.

Perhaps the US threatened to stop the funding if they were to impose reciprocity fees on us.[/QUOTE]Colombia has been down-sizing its military over the last 7-8 years. The government decided that once most of the country was pacified, the FARC-the issue would become more of a law enforcement problem, and less of a military problem. After 2016, most of the Colombian military officers I spoke to were worried about being prematurely retired, as the government was considering cutting about 1/3 of them, mostly from that huge cohort that was commissioned about 20 years ago to implement Plan Colombia.

The Colombian military responded to the cut-backs by trying to remain relevant by exporting their combat expertise. For example, they trained the Panamanian coast guard-equivalent's Naval Infantry battalion. (Yes, a country without a military has a coast guard with its own "Marine Corps. " Strange, but true.).

I just returned from a 3 week trip to Pattaya last night (my usual mongering destination simply for the fact that there are literally thousands of reasonably priced beautiful girls and Thailand is very safe).

During my trip I met some German and Dutch guys that told me a few things about Colombia and Mexico and I must admit that got me really excited.

I did some basic research here in the forums as well as some market analysis on miloseroticos and pasionprepagos for example to get an understanding on pricing and also the fact that Medellin is far from "safe" by any reasonable standards but I am willing to take the risk and plan a 2 week trip.

I have previously been to Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro and never had any issues there (also in some seedier areas) because I look quite mediterranian (Arab / German mix, late 30's) but I do not speak ANY spanish at all. I will try to prepare by learning some basic spanish words but that will have to suffice.

I skimmed through the last 15-20 pages here and could not find reliable info on some topics therefore asking here, I would appreciate your feedback and help and would be happy to repay you with a drink or two once I touch ground in Medellin / Bogota.

1. Prices:

Before I get started with prices, I usually aim for younger girls between 18-23, I do not have any crazy requirements when it comes to the body, only one important requirement, her face should be attractive / pretty / cute and at least a 7. Everything else less important as long as the girl is not obese.

Now based on miloseroticos and pasionprepagos the norm for reasonably attractive young girls is somewhere in the ballpark of 100-200 k per hour. Obviously there are significantly pricier and also prettier options but since my main requirement really is *age* and pretty face there seem to be quite a few options in that price range.

There is however very little information on the offline girls (be it streetwalkers or girls working in brothels massage parlors and whatnot) so I am very curious to find out about those prices. Ideally I would like to have 1-2 girls per day either from Centro or Poblado or any other location that you can recommend.

2. Condoms / STIs: Now I realize that I am probably very spoilt from Thailand where I usually do not even mention the word condom and easily have 2 girls per day raw without protection, I realize this might be quite different in Colombia. Do girls usually heavily insist on condoms or is this an afterthought? Online girls seem to only do covered sex. If its a question of price is additional 20-25% sufficient?

3. Best Hotel locations when it comes to easy acces and variety / quantity of girls: As this will be my first trip, security and ease of access to girls will be my main priorities when it comes to hotel / neighborhood choice. As long as the rooms are modern and clean I am okay with it. Any recommendations?

I realize that is quite the wall of text but I prefer to put down all my questions in one post instead of posting 20 times. Would appreciate your feedback and help and if you are there in May / June, drinks on me!

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2902896]Now I realize that I am probably very spoilt from Thailand where I usually do not even mention the word condom and easily have 2 girls per day raw without protection, I realize this might be quite different in Colombia. [/QUOTE]I don't get why anyone would be talking about Colombia when you're getting this type of service LOL.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2886434]My plan is to go General Santos City (it's about a $100 round trip plane ride from Manila) after setting up some dates in advance through Filipino Cupid. I've already rented an apparently nice airbnb.

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/970344118624617220[/URL]

I think that I can get a beautiful 20 year old to stay with me for about $50 per day. (And "beauty" is subjective. I mean that in my personal opinion she is beautiful.) That's compared to about $65 per hour in Medellin. However of course the proof is in the pudding. I've can't definitely know until I actually go there and see what the reality is on the ground.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=TexasPistol;2886434]My plan is to go General Santos City (it's about a $100 round trip plane ride from Manila) after setting up some dates in advance through Filipino Cupid. I've already rented an apparently nice Airbnb.

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/970344118624617220[/URL]

I think that I can get a beautiful 20 year old to stay with me for about $50 per day. (And "beauty" is subjective. I mean that in my personal opinion she is beautiful.) That's compared to about $65 per hour in Medellin. However of course the proof is in the pudding. I've can't definitely know until I actually go there and see what the reality is on the ground.[/QUOTE]I went to Medellin twice in 2020 before the pandemic changed things, during March 2020 prior to days before the closing of borders and quarantine and again for Nov 2020 when the country had opened again. Fase Dos was 200 K, Isla was 300 K back then, instead of 300 K and 500-600 K. Just to give context.

I went to Phils my first time this November thru December 24 for 30 days, did Angeles City for 9 days + Makati Manila 5 the + Quezon city 5 the + return to AC for 10 days as finale before returning to USA.

Overall it was nearly 3 x more cheaper in the value I got vs Medellin. The equiavent of 350 K in filipino pesos was 4500 for a Long Time 9-Hour barfine with GFE and multiple pops. My god the service was literally 3 x better and the chicas were much tighter. Those complaining about Phils not having attractive women are dead wrong in my experience. Tons looked like latinas, from morenas to light skin mestiza lookers. I loved it, and to the person who said 100 K equivalent for FS is not possible in Phils, you are wrong. I was getting amazing 18 yo morena cutie, who looked 100% like the petite tanned skin paisas, except she was from Mabalacat near AC, I saw her 3 times first time with her friend in 3 sum. 1500 p every time, that's just 27 usd and just above 100 K, and without a doubt you will not find one so pretty and tight in MDE for 100 k, the quality at that rate is lower in Colombia.

I always thought Colombia was the best but a month in Phils has seriously contested this in my mind. The options are endless in Phils, from value long time 9 hour barfines with 18 yo cuties, to freelancers as low as 1000 k or 19 $, norm was 2 k, just above 37 $. The food was cheaper too and everything was lower cost than Medellin by far. In Makati the barfines are double than AC, so if people are basing the value in Phils from Makati barfines they are way off. The freelancers in Makati P Burgos were 2 k also, so cheaper than Parque Lleras, and my god I saw one in the chicken place Andoks in p Burgos that was hotter than any I have seen in MDE, long legs, silky morena skin, tall, cute face, I said to myself "wow if she was in Colombia people would think she is a 10" and that was just a chicken place LOL. Pina Luv in Makati I met a 18 yo who quoted 3500 and she came over, it was amazing and the value is similar to what paisas ask in Poblado, 250 k. But this one was much tighter.

Phils really did a number on me and I am Latino and fluent Spanish speaker, and literally I am still confused which is better, since I have not returned to MDE since 2020 and realistically I agree with a previous poster, Phils is the new Colombia. I just need to return to MDE to confirm how it is now, but from my perspective and research it seems MDE and Colombia are just getting worst not better. I definitely recommend Phils for those who love Colombia, but it needs more time and planning than a Colombia trip.

Salutes to everyone.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2902897]I don't get why anyone would be talking about Colombia when you're getting this type of service LOL.[/QUOTE]I was just in AC Phils and even at the lower level bars where barfine is 1500 or 27 usd all I had to say was I didn't have a rubber, and the session turned into GFE BBFS with multiple pops and multiple positions. Her name was Jade mid20's. Saw her first time with CFS then when I was leaving I went again and I didn't have rubber so It was bare session. You are not getting that in MDE LOL. And the BBFS I have had with SGs in MDE in centro was subpar and almost as expensive and much more rushed and definitely no multiple pops. MDE now seems like a bad value but with good looks is all its good for.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2902897]I don't get why anyone would be talking about Colombia when you're getting this type of service LOL.[/QUOTE]It is super achievable in Colombia. I haven't been to Thailand so can't compare. It does sound easier though in Thailand from what I have read.

I could budget 300 mil per day in Colombia 100 for a casa girl and 200 for a 2 to 3 hour session at a motel, hotel, or apartment. Or 200 mil for 2 x casa girls.

If you like different girls every day you would have to walk around to different casas and would get turned down sometimes. If you are ok with some regulars, than it would decrease the time required. You can just Whatsapp to make sure they are there. So the part of walking around and finding is where it could require some effort / time.

I will note, this is aproach is more realistic when you have the hang of it. Maybe that would be another difference if you can just show up and just walk into bbfs.

File under be careful what you wish / look for.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2902906]It is super achievable in Colombia. I haven't been to Thailand so can't compare. It does sound easier though in Thailand from what I have read.

I could budget 300 mil per day in Colombia 100 for a casa girl and 200 for a 2 to 3 hour session at a motel, hotel, or apartment. Or 200 mil for 2 x casa girls.

If you like different girls every day you would have to walk around to different casas and would get turned down sometimes. If you are ok with some regulars, than it would decrease the time required. You can just Whatsapp to make sure they are there. So the part of walking around and finding is where it could require some effort / time.

I will note, this is aproach is more realistic when you have the hang of it. Maybe that would be another difference if you can just show up and just walk into bbfs.[/QUOTE]

30 K on top of the base fee at casas.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2902556]Where are the best places to get uncovered BJ's and what's the cost? Looking for as many places as you can think of.[/QUOTE]

During Christmas 2022 la isla was charging 50 k entrance and 350 to bang. July 2023 same place charged 50 k entrance and 500 to bang. Side note a bucket 6 beers were 180 k in Dec. 2022 210 k in July 2023.

Loutron in July 2023 was 20 k entrance and 350 to bang.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2902583]So La Isla is more expensive than Loutron at $400 K and probably a lot noisier too given the strip club environment. Wonder how the rates at Fase Dos compare?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2902896]I just returned from a 3 week trip to Pattaya last night (my usual mongering destination simply for the fact that there are literally thousands of reasonably priced beautiful girls and Thailand is very safe).

During my trip I met some German and Dutch guys that told me a few things about Colombia and Mexico and I must admit that got me really excited.

I did some basic research here in the forums as well as some market analysis on miloseroticos and pasionprepagos for example to get an understanding on pricing and also the fact that Medellin is far from "safe" by any reasonable standards but I am willing to take the risk and plan a 2 week trip.

I have previously been to Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro and never had any issues there (also in some seedier areas) because I look quite mediterranian (Arab / German mix, late 30's) but I do not speak ANY spanish at all. I will try to prepare by learning some basic spanish words but that will have to suffice.

I skimmed through the last 15-20 pages here and could not find reliable info on some topics therefore asking here, I would appreciate your feedback and help and would be happy to repay you with a drink or two once I touch ground in Medellin / Bogota.

1. Prices:

Before I get started with prices, I usually aim for younger girls between 18-23, I do not have any crazy requirements when it comes to the body, only one important requirement, her face should be attractive / pretty / cute and at least a 7. Everything else less important as long as the girl is not obese.

Now based on miloseroticos and pasionprepagos the norm for reasonably attractive young girls is somewhere in the ballpark of 100-200 k per hour. Obviously there are significantly pricier and also prettier options but since my main requirement really is *age* and pretty face there seem to be quite a few options in that price range.

There is however very little information on the offline girls (be it streetwalkers or girls working in brothels massage parlors and whatnot) so I am very curious to find out about those prices. Ideally I would like to have 1-2 girls per day either from Centro or Poblado or any other location that you can recommend.

2. Condoms / STIs: Now I realize that I am probably very spoilt from Thailand where I usually do not even mention the word condom and easily have 2 girls per day raw without protection, I realize this might be quite different in Colombia. Do girls usually heavily insist on condoms or is this an afterthought? Online girls seem to only do covered sex. If its a question of price is additional 20-25% sufficient?

3. Best Hotel locations when it comes to easy acces and variety / quantity of girls: As this will be my first trip, security and ease of access to girls will be my main priorities when it comes to hotel / neighborhood choice. As long as the rooms are modern and clean I am okay with it. Any recommendations?

I realize that is quite the wall of text but I prefer to put down all my questions in one post instead of posting 20 times. Would appreciate your feedback and help and if you are there in May / June, drinks on me![/QUOTE]Maybe to add to my original post. Main reason is I want to try something new and when I look at some of the youtube videos of the girls in Medellin I think I just prefer latinas over asians taste wise. Thats why I want to risk this trip.

And as for Filippinas. NOT my type at all. I have scoured Tinder in Manila and AC for a couple days and also used filipinacupid. 90% of the girls I find significantly below my standards where as in Pattaya it was more like 50/50.

So to get back to my original question about pricing. JackTaggart mentions 100 mil for casa girls. Is that full service 1 h? And how are the street walkers around centro?

I remember CR had a reputation as very dangerous back in the Day, Medellin -just check out Telegram [URL]https://t.me/chismefrescomedallo.[/URL] crazy place, Being fluent in Spanish might help, I'm not 😏.

Have to stick to Gringo hangouts, few chicas with any English, most are girl next door types or average anymore IMO, Gringo backlash in the 🌆 kills the vibe. Colombian Chicas can be found around the 🌎 best I meet were in Costa Rica. But I'll give MDE another shot before heading to Asia and Germany 🇩🇪

My trip is finally here. I leave later today and arrive early Saturday morning. Already arranged with the AirBNB to check in early. Plan is to drop my bags, shower, quick nap then hit somewhere up. Should be around 9/10 am. Any recommendations on where I should go and the associated cost? And is anyone else around? Be cool to meetup with some of you guys.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2902583]So La Isla is more expensive than Loutron at $400 K and probably a lot noisier too given the strip club environment. Wonder how the rates at Fase Dos compare?[/QUOTE]Fase Dos was 300 mil to go to the room when I was there last Nov, and this held true in 2022, and 2021 as well best I remember. The same was 180 in 2019.

Shit happens for sure. I don't usually think about it much beyond maintaining my own personal safety practices. The past six months or so it's been harder to ignore because there is so much reporting across global media that I am getting proof of life and welfare check calls from family and friends, pretty much anyone who knows I live in Colombia. It really picks up when there is a fresh report. Other than that, when I'm in Poblado it's very noticeable that there are more North American tourists than ever during recent years. I suspect at least part of the uptick in tourist crime has to do with the tourism increase. It may be a case of criminals being presented with more opportunities.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2902246]This was reported today on the news and is very disheartening.

Makes you wonder how many incidents of violence and robberies of foreigners are actually happening in Medellin.

Probably in the hundreds thus far in Medellin this year not including unreported incidents as well.

I hope this doesn't become a new stigma for the City if it continues unchecked.

Maybe it already has.[/QUOTE]

I practise only BBFS in Colombia. No problem with that! But 90% of the girls I fuck bareback, I meet them on facebook! They all accept, they just ask me usually 100 000 pesos more to fuck them bareback!

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2902925]File under be careful what you wish / look for.[/QUOTE]

Hi all. I will be back in Medellíand for the first time in almost 10 years. Crazy it doesn't seem that long ago. A lot has changed, vinnies were not a thing back then. How can you tell a Venezuela girl from a paisa? Whats the difference, whos better in bed. I'm looking for vinnies this trip. Whats the best place to find them? I hear el centro has them, or borteo park? Also and chica friendly centro hotels? Thanks.

[QUOTE=SeizeTheDay;2903153]Hi all. I will be back in Medelland for the first time in almost 10 years. Crazy it doesn't seem that long ago. A lot has changed, vinnies were not a thing back then. How can you tell a Venezuela girl from a paisa? Whats the difference, whos better in bed. I'm looking for vinnies this trip. Whats the best place to find them? I hear el centro has them, or borteo park? Also and chica friendly centro hotels? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Vinnies in CO are different then the ones you would see in Caracas. They but the main difference I found is that they are taller, mostly more light carmel color and have nose that are more like tringle like.

Performance wise its about the same as Paisa girls but they are more desperate for cash so are a bit more open. That said they are all over from centro to Lleras and everywhere in between. You can also hear the way they talk Spanish is different.

You will find plenty in Centro for sure.

I hope Vnz gets it's economic act together sometime this decade because the girls inside Caracas and Maracaibo are on next level looks. They all get surgeries but are much taller and model like. But those chicks stay in vnz and don't leave or if they do leave some Dubai millionaire dude snatches them up or they live in like Spain in high end places.

So is Medellin the best place in Colombia for watching girls be lesbian and for threesomes? I love seeing girls be lesbian before getting in between myself. But good lesbianism. Like not girls barely touching each other because they're not really bi. Love me some bi girls. I will only have 2 weeks or so in Colombia so I want to go to the city where I am most likely to find it.

Also to me, looks matter. I won't do street girls. Good clubs are my preference, then escort sites. Which ones are best? Won't overpay market price, but won't go cheap for two girls who are 6's. Me likes the higher-mid to higher-end.

[QUOTE=Aristhotle;2903237]So is Medellin the best place in Colombia for watching girls be lesbian and for threesomes? I love seeing girls be lesbian before getting in between myself. But good lesbianism. Like not girls barely touching each other because they're not really bi. Love me some bi girls. I will only have 2 weeks or so in Colombia so I want to go to the city where I am most likely to find it.

Also to me, looks matter. I won't do street girls. Good clubs are my preference, then escort sites. Which ones are best? Won't overpay market price, but won't go cheap for two girls who are 6's. Me likes the higher-mid to higher-end.[/QUOTE]Fase 2. It may turn out to be a trial and error thing.

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2903248]Fase 2. It may turn out to be a trial and error thing.[/QUOTE]Big thanks. And sites where they may be found?

My goal in Medellin would be to find two bi girls like this:

[URL]https://xhamster.com/videos/amateur-latin-lesbian-brunettes-3806800[/URL]

If I can get that, it would be a mega score. Fase 2 is plan number 1. Any other places I may score such broads? And typical prices? Don't mind spending money but don't want to spend higher than market price either.

Hello fellow Mongers and Senior Member.

I have been following pages of this report and others as well. So many senior hobbyists with delightful and useful information.

If I can get a few more tips and information on seeking arrangement (SA) as I am searching for stunners. Especially at Elvis! If you can provide a few points that would be great.

- I am planning to invite girl to my hotel room for drink and food, I hope should be okay?

- Do I need to bring money factor by my own or it will be kicked off by the girl before we decide to meet?

- How to ask and check for bb service?

- Is it easy to find 18-22 age range girls?

P.S.: I Haven't used SA before, pardon me if I am asking stupid questions.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Aristhotle;2903237]So is Medellin the best place in Colombia for watching girls be lesbian and for threesomes? I love seeing girls be lesbian before getting in between myself. But good lesbianism. Like not girls barely touching each other because they're not really bi. Love me some bi girls. I will only have 2 weeks or so in Colombia so I want to go to the city where I am most likely to find it.

Also to me, looks matter. I won't do street girls. Good clubs are my preference, then escort sites. Which ones are best? Won't overpay market price, but won't go cheap for two girls who are 6's. Me likes the higher-mid to higher-end.[/QUOTE]Most threesomes will be two girls having sex with you and two girls giving you a blowjob at the same time. That is sometimes you can easily find because girls don't mind helping their friends make money and it is more fun for the girl with a friend and less work. However, most girls are not bi-sexual. They may play with their friend for your amusement but it is just an act and not like the porn videos. More experienced girls may be your best bet for lesbian shows because they usually have a friend that they are comfortable with and they know what guys want. Medellin is the city most likely to find these girls.

As to where to find them, it is hit and miss and they could be anywhere from clubs to online. You just have to ask and to gauge their responses. Most of the girls will say that they will do the things you want but whether or not it actually happens is another question.

I have had a number of threesomes here in Medellin and there has been minimal lesbian action but the girls have been relatively young, usually 18-20 years old and that may be a factor.

[QUOTE=Aristhotle;2903237]So is Medellin the best place in Colombia for watching girls be lesbian and for threesomes? I love seeing girls be lesbian before getting in between myself. But good lesbianism. Like not girls barely touching each other because they're not really bi. Love me some bi girls. I will only have 2 weeks or so in Colombia so I want to go to the city where I am most likely to find it.

Also to me, looks matter. I won't do street girls. Good clubs are my preference, then escort sites. Which ones are best? Won't overpay market price, but won't go cheap for two girls who are 6's. Me likes the higher-mid to higher-end.[/QUOTE]You will get what they call a show. A lesbian show. Real lesbian action is not likely. At least not with whoever they are performing with.

Where is the best place to find a girl to bring back to my Airbnb during the day? Like noon to 4:00 or so.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2903120]Shit happens for sure. I don't usually think about it much beyond maintaining my own personal safety practices. The past six months or so it's been harder to ignore because there is so much reporting across global media that I am getting proof of life and welfare check calls from family and friends, pretty much anyone who knows I live in Colombia. It really picks up when there is a fresh report. Other than that, when I'm in Poblado it's very noticeable that there are more North American tourists than ever during recent years. I suspect at least part of the uptick in tourist crime has to do with the tourism increase. It may be a case of criminals being presented with more opportunities.[/QUOTE]When your walking around some of the barrios in Poblado, like Manila, which has lots of places to eat there are lots of tourists walking around, eating, and speaking English just like in and around Lleras and Provenza.

In the past five years many younger people have been coming here because it can be fun and inexpensive compared to many other places in the world, and tourism crime as you mention has increased.

However I believe the majority of the killings of tourists to date have involved sex tourists and drugs versus just "normal tourists".

This is what I find disheartening for Medellin as a mongering destination versus other mongering destinations.

I believe Tinder posted warnings about getting drugged here, so with that, and all the killings, the place is getting a bad rap again after the Escobar era.

The reality though is that it has always been dangerous here, with the difference being that the crimes are being widely reported now.

I hope things get turned around.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2903132]I practise only BBFS in Colombia. No problem with that! But 90% of the girls I fuck bareback, I meet them on facebook! They all accept, they just ask me usually 100 000 pesos more to fuck them bareback![/QUOTE]You need to branch out "LOL", instead of paying 100 K more to bareback Fayboo girls, guys I know in Centro are paying as little as 50 to 100 k to bareback and cream pie SW's in Centro. Granted they are not the cream of the crop, but there are some very desperate SW's there.

And during the Pandemic, I remember a Vennie telling me it would be an "expensive upcharge" for BBFS, all of 5 K.

I was curious and asked, but didn't partake.

A couple of guys I know here have been frequenting Occidental Club lately in Centro and have been paying 100 K including the room for BBFS there, albeit I don't know if that included a cream pie finish or leche afuera. LOL.

I assume you are a short term visitor. Your two quick options are Plaza Botero / Centro and the section of la 10 from Parque Lleras up to carrera 37 or so approaching Provenza. Both areas are more active beginning late afternoon when the sun is lower but you can make it happen earlier. As you may know, there are many online options for outcall. I recommend you take normal personal security measures (I. E. Secure valuables, don't leave drinks unattended, etc.) Online sources include mileroticos, photoprepagos. I look forward to hearing how you make out.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2903329]Where is the best place to find a girl to bring back to my Airbnb during the day? Like noon to 4:00 or so.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stl24;2903114]My trip is finally here. I leave later today and arrive early Saturday morning. Already arranged with the AirBNB to check in early. Plan is to drop my bags, shower, quick nap then hit somewhere up. Should be around 9/10 am. Any recommendations on where I should go and the associated cost? And is anyone else around? Be cool to meetup with some of you guys.[/QUOTE]Arriving into Medellin for the first time today, don't speak a word of Spanish and not picked a place to stay yet! Lmk if you wana meet up at al will be here 3-4 days.

Offer open to anyone else aswell! Thanks.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2903329]Where is the best place to find a girl to bring back to my Airbnb during the day? Like noon to 4:00 or so.[/QUOTE]I'm here wondering the same thing LOL.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2903329]Where is the best place to find a girl to bring back to my Airbnb during the day? Like noon to 4:00 or so.[/QUOTE]Medellin isn't set up like that, as is San Jose, Costa Rica where girls hang out in certain hotels starting in the morning. You can set appointments off Facebook, have girls come to you, though no shows or late arrivals are common enough. Or you can answer some Mileroticos ads, which often will lead you to some casas in Laureles or Belen. If you go there and want to take a girl out, that's very possible, but expect to pay a premium over in house service, and to pay in advance.

[QUOTE=Aristhotle;2903237]So is Medellin the best place in Colombia for watching girls be lesbian and for threesomes? I love seeing girls be lesbian before getting in between myself. But good lesbianism. Like not girls barely touching each other because they're not really bi. Love me some bi girls. I will only have 2 weeks or so in Colombia so I want to go to the city where I am most likely to find it.

Also to me, looks matter. I won't do street girls. Good clubs are my preference, then escort sites. Which ones are best? Won't overpay market price, but won't go cheap for two girls who are 6's. Me likes the higher-mid to higher-end.[/QUOTE]Not sure one particular city in Colombia is better for that than any other.

Two pieces of advice. First, do a threesome with girls you've been with before separately. At least one of the girls and preferably both. You want to know that you get along sexually with them before doing two together. And the two girls should be familiar with each other.

Second, go to Brasil. I've done lots of menage a trois in both Brasil and Colombia. The ones in Brasil have been almost universally better. Brasilian women just tend to be wilder in anything sexually oriented.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2903329]Where is the best place to find a girl to bring back to my Airbnb during the day? Like noon to 4:00 or so.[/QUOTE]If you aren't looking online I would think that El Centro would be the best place.

Anyone around to grab a beer?

Here for the first time for a few days, 29 from UK don't speak a word of Spanish LOL.

Got an airbnb in el poblado.

[QUOTE=ShMickel;2903453]Anyone around to grab a beer?

Here for the first time for a few days, 29 from UK don't speak a word of Spanish LOL.

Got an airbnb in el poblado.[/QUOTE]I'm in Lleras now.

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2903470]I'm in Lleras now.[/QUOTE]How's things at Lleras? Everything normal with lots of chicas standing around? Any clubs shut down?

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2903598]How's things at Lleras? Everything normal with lots of chicas standing around? Any clubs shut down?[/QUOTE]It's been pretty good. Friday was really full of girls. I don't go to any clubs but they all seemed open. Chica prices varied from 200 k to 600 k cop.

I read about a raid that happened this weekend. This one seems to have been like the others, more of a show for the cameras than anything else and little or no impact on the scene.

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2903622]It's been pretty good. Friday was really full of girls. I don't go to any clubs but they all seemed open. Chica prices varied from 200 k to 600 k cop.[/QUOTE]

200 K to 600 K - .

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2903622]It's been pretty good. Friday was really full of girls. I don't go to any clubs but they all seemed open. Chica prices varied from 200 k to 600 k cop.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2903773]200 K to 600 K - .[/QUOTE]It's crazy how Botero is like 40 k to 50 k but yet Lleras is so much more. If we all got together and striked and nobody went to Lleras for a week I bet they would have to come down on price since the local parceros aren't going to be paying no 600 mil.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2903826]It's crazy how Botero is like 40 k to 50 k but yet Lleras is so much more. If we all got together and striked and nobody went to Lleras for a week I bet they would have to come down on price since the local parceros aren't going to be paying no 600 mil.[/QUOTE]Agree. We should all refuse to pay such ridiculous higher rates. We can all fuck the same type of Colombians at rates well under 400,000 in much safer destinations like Costa Rica and Panama (not to mention even Canada) without risking our safety in Colombia. Just learn to say NO!

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2903852]Agree. We should all refuse to pay such ridiculous higher rates. We can all fuck the same type of Colombians at rates well under 400,000 in much safer destinations like Costa Rica and Panama (not to mention even Canada) without risking our safety in Colombia. Just learn to say NO![/QUOTE]I'm not saying that, I'm saying just don't go to lleras go to Botero or the casas in Centro instead.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2903852]Agree. We should all refuse to pay such ridiculous higher rates. We can all fuck the same type of Colombians at rates well under 400,000 in much safer destinations like Costa Rica and Panama (not to mention even Canada) without risking our safety in Colombia. Just learn to say NO![/QUOTE]Also I'd say like 90% of them are Venezuelans not Colombianas.

Anybody knows this guy? Another fool who thinks he can play with the devil and win.

He was wandering the mall so his brain was not functioning.

He was lucky not OD and died.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13236229/American-DJ-rescued-Good-Samaritan-wandering-Colombia-neighborhood-drugged-robbed.html[/URL]

A LOS Angeles DJ was found at the San Lucas Mall in Medellíand on Sunday morning after he was allegedly drugged and robbed.

The man, who identified himself as John, told a Good Samaritan that his cell phone, laptop and money had been stolen.

By ADRY TORRES FOR [URL]DAILYMAIL.COM[/URL] PUBLISHED: 11:59 EDT, 25 March 2024.

UPDATED: 12:03 EDT, 25 March 2024.

An American man was rescued by a woman after he was seen wandering at a Medellíand mall after he was allegedly drugged and robbed.

The victim was seen asking shoppers at the San Lucas Mall on Sunday morning to assist him in contacting his mother back home when a Good Samaritan obliged, El Colombiano newspaper reported.

The man, who identified as John and a LOS Angeles resident, told the woman he had been robbed of his cell phone, laptop and an undisclosed amount of money.

The Good Samaritan, who declined to be named in the report, recalled John telling her, 'I am going to tell all my friends not to come to Medellíand. '.

An American man, who identified himself as John who works as DJ from LOS Angeles, was found allegedly drugged and robbed of him laptop, cell phone and money, and found wandering at a mall in Medellíand, Colombia, on Sunday.

Police arrived on the scene and registered an incident report and claimed the only friend John had in the area was a tattoo artist in Envigado, six miles southeast of Medellíand.

Before placing him in an Uber to take him to the friend's home, the woman advised him, 'Please tell everyone, all your friends who come looking for prostitution and drugs, please don't come. '.

[URL]DailyMail.com[/URL] reached out to the Aburrá Valley Metropolitan Police for comment.

The alleged robbery is the latest incident in which tourists in Medellíand have fallen victims to crimes in which they were drugged before they were either robbed or killed.

At least 13 foreigners have died in Medellíand in the first two months of 2024 after 30 deaths were reported in all of last year. Eight Americans in Medellíand between November 1 and December 31,2023.

Community activist and comedian Tou Ger Xiong is one of eight Americans died from alleged drug overdoses or were killed after they were lured by people they met on dating apps in Medellíand, Colombia between November 1 and December 31,2023. The 50-year-old was found dead December 11, after going out with a 19-year-old woman he previously met on an app.

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Community activist and comedian Tou Ger Xiong is one of eight Americans died from alleged drug overdoses or were killed after they were lured by people they met on dating apps in Medellíand, Colombia between November 1 and December 31,2023. The 50-year-old was found dead December 11, after going out with a 19-year-old woman he previously met on an app.

In January, Medellíand cops arrested Sharit Mejía and two men for the December murder of American community activist and comedian Tou Ger Xiong.

In response, the United States Embassy in Colombia warned travelers about the use of dating apps.

The embassy indicated that several of the deaths pointed to 'possible drugging, robbery, and overdose and several involve the use of online dating applications. '.

The embassy advised also American visitors that they should 'strongly consider meeting only in public places and avoiding isolated locations, such as residences or hotel rooms, where crimes are most likely to occur. '.

'It is also recommended that if Americans decide to invite a person they met to a home or hotel, they speak to the 'attendant / concierge beforehand and establish a policy as to what information your new visitor should provide before being authorized entry (photo of identification, etc.) and what process should be followed when your visitor departs,' the mission said.

Another American was scoped in Medellin. Luckily he didn't die though he just woke up in the street without any money or his cell phone.

[URL]https://youtu.be/5Hs2Q-20oCg?si=NMGFwUoYWkaOZMyf[/URL]

Follow Along.

Even though I am a Centro rat I am not necessarily against paying a premium for someone special or for some sort of special convenience. I avoid subjective assessments of girls because there is too much variety in what we prefer to have productive conversations about it. I think most of us will agree there is little convenience in hunting Lleras. So the long and short of it is it's highly unlikely I'm going to be supporting what goes on in Lleras any time soon.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2903852]Agree. We should all refuse to pay such ridiculous higher rates. We can all fuck the same type of Colombians at rates well under 400,000 in much safer destinations like Costa Rica and Panama (not to mention even Canada) without risking our safety in Colombia. Just learn to say NO![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2903339]You need to branch out "LOL", instead of paying 100 K more to bareback Fayboo girls, guys I know in Centro are paying as little as 50 to 100 k to bareback and cream pie SW's in Centro. Granted they are not the cream of the crop, but there are some very desperate SW's there.

And during the Pandemic, I remember a Vennie telling me it would be an "expensive upcharge" for BBFS, all of 5 K.

I was curious and asked, but didn't partake.

A couple of guys I know here have been frequenting Occidental Club lately in Centro and have been paying 100 K including the room for BBFS there, albeit I don't know if that included a cream pie finish or leche afuera. LOL.[/QUOTE]You guys don't worry about STD's?

I'm thinking about mobbing to Columbia, is it relatively safe? I don't speak Spanish.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2903852]Agree. We should all refuse to pay such ridiculous higher rates. We can all fuck the same type of Colombians at rates well under 400,000 in much safer destinations like Costa Rica and Panama (not to mention even Canada) without risking our safety in Colombia. Just learn to say NO![/QUOTE]Of course 75-80% or more of the foreigners going to Colombia for the girls aren't on here and consider $100-$150 incredibly cheap. While I don't encourage anyone to pay more than they're comfortable with, your boycott will have absolutely no effect on prices in Parque Lleras.

Also the price difference isn't as great as it seems. 40-50 k in El Centro gets you 15-30 minutes in a rather low budget room. Many guys report minimal service. However, the quick lay in that environment is exactly what many guys want. And yes, I understand that some guys are getting only 9's and 10's who do everything for much longer, without ever paying for extras.

Depending on who and where you pull in Lleras, 1 hour or more is typical, services vary. Accommodations are usually wherever you are staying, almost certainly better than the typical El Centro room. This is exactly what some guys want.

There are also other options, with a wide range of prices. Find your comfort zone and work to literally get the most bang for your buck.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2903852]Agree. We should all refuse to pay such ridiculous higher rates. We can all fuck the same type of Colombians at rates well under 400,000 in much safer destinations like Costa Rica and Panama (not to mention even Canada) without risking our safety in Colombia. Just learn to say NO![/QUOTE]Currently with all the dumb money crypto fags there is bound to be a ton of dudes riding the high of having more than 20-30 k in savings for the first time in their lives and throwing it out the window for working girls.

It is unfortunate that some few bad apples can fuck up the entire ecosystem but it is what it is. As prices increase in Colombia or Thailand for example, hopefully we will find new 3rd world or developing countries to conduct our business for the price of a sandwich xD (I was kinda hoping that would be some African countries, not opposed to pounding some 18 year old chocolate but those countries seem fucked up as well and very scammy).

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2903852]Agree. We should all refuse to pay such ridiculous higher rates. We can all fuck the same type of Colombians at rates well under 400,000 in much safer destinations like Costa Rica and Panama (not to mention even Canada) without risking our safety in Colombia. Just learn to say NO![/QUOTE]100%, If you are a foreigner, then add to the price of a pusy the price of hotel, air tickets and other expenses. And you will get that you pay much more than in your country for the same staff.

I have never been to Medellin. But I have been to Bogota many times. And Bogota is super nice for hobbying.

That said, I always assumed Medellin is better. But after RTFFing Medellin posts, it seems like that is not the case. Medellin posts seem to indicate dissatisfaction.

Also, I have been to Ecuador several times, including clubs like 155, Mosq, etc. And like many have said in these forums, there are Colombians (mostly from Medellin, Armenia, etc.) everywhere. And when I talk to them, they are like, they couldn't wait to get out of Medellin and that there is no money in Medellin.

This leaves me very confused. How good is Medellin for hobbying?

Also, are there any good agencies in Medellin? For example, Bogota has several stellar agencies that have dozens of part timers who are awesome!

I apologize if this is a sensitive topic.

Except with pros, I only do BBFS as well. It's usually with girls I have known, non-pros, or referrals (sisters, cousins, friends). I primarily use Facebook (other than referrals) But the difference is that I have never paid a cent extra for BBFS (and trust me, I'm not paying 250,300 or more). In fact, I can't remember the last time any chica asked me for more for BBFS. Interesting.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2903132]I practise only BBFS in Colombia. No problem with that! But 90% of the girls I fuck bareback, I meet them on facebook! They all accept, they just ask me usually 100 000 pesos more to fuck them bareback![/QUOTE]

Well, they say "don't shit where you eat" and I apply that to mongering. Was once married to a chica from Bogota. My daughter was born there. And still have a lot of former in-laws there. So it's been many moons since I mongered there. I hear Santa Fe is still good. There are other places, but the cost is generally higher than "other places" in Medellin, so it seems. The nice thing about Bogota is that you get girls from all over Colombia.

That said, I still love Medellin. Granted it's not the same as it was 18 years agon on my first trip or even five years ago. Not quite as easy and girls demanding too much because dummies pay it. I primarily use FB, but it takes work. Because of the amount of time I have been going, I have managed to leverage past relationships into new girls. Friends, family members. So I always have a small stock of non-pros at my disposal or girls who work only occasionally. I don't do lleras. I don't do the high end MPs or strips clubs. I don't do Centro. I am happy with my mix of repeats and new girls. I am not dissatisfied at all, other than with the stupid prices some girls try to pass off on me. I ask up front so as not to waste time.

If girls in MDE are complaining about not making money, it's probably a combination of lots of competition, the cost they have to pay to stay there if they are from someone else, and poor marketing on their part (hitting the streets of centro, working in a casa, trolling Lleras as opposed to using social media effectively).

Other observations:

Weather. Medellin, to me, crushes Bogota. Bogota is too cold.

Traffic. Not great in Medellin but certainly not nearly as bad as Bogota.

Nightlife. More options in Bogota.

Food. Better restaurants in Bogota.

People. Generally more pleasant in Medellin.

[QUOTE=MongerFriend;2904033]I have never been to Medellin. But I have been to Bogota many times. And Bogota is super nice for hobbying.

That said, I always assumed Medellin is better. But after RTFFing Medellin posts, it seems like that is not the case. Medellin posts seem to indicate dissatisfaction.

Also, I have been to Ecuador several times, including clubs like 155, Mosq, etc. And like many have said in these forums, there are Colombians (mostly from Medellin, Armenia, etc.) everywhere. And when I talk to them, they are like, they couldn't wait to get out of Medellin and that there is no money in Medellin.

This leaves me very confused. How good is Medellin for hobbying?

Also, are there any good agencies in Medellin? For example, Bogota has several stellar agencies that have dozens of part timers who are awesome!

I apologize if this is a sensitive topic.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MongerFriend;2904033]I have never been to Medellin. But I have been to Bogota many times. And Bogota is super nice for hobbying.

That said, I always assumed Medellin is better. But after RTFFing Medellin posts, it seems like that is not the case. Medellin posts seem to indicate dissatisfaction.

Also, I have been to Ecuador several times, including clubs like 155, Mosq, etc. And like many have said in these forums, there are Colombians (mostly from Medellin, Armenia, etc.) everywhere. And when I talk to them, they are like, they couldn't wait to get out of Medellin and that there is no money in Medellin.

This leaves me very confused. How good is Medellin for hobbying?

Also, are there any good agencies in Medellin? For example, Bogota has several stellar agencies that have dozens of part timers who are awesome!

I apologize if this is a sensitive topic.[/QUOTE]Medellin is better if you are looking for high quality pros or semi-pros you can meet in person at a club or a bar. The downside to Medellin is that the prices have increased so much in the past year or so that there are very few deals to be found in places that your average tourist wanders. Your "average" girl will now ask 350-400 k and will settle on 300 k. Your real lookers in places like La Isla Club will ask 550-600 k and settle for 450-500 k.

I don't mind paying 300 k for a tried and proven girl that I know I'll have a good time with. But I don't feel like I'm getting a great deal and it doesn't motivate me to come running back. It is also too high of a price for me to be throwing darts at girls who may or may not work out. So Medellin is not my favorite place to go for an economical lay. Bogota has the advantage there.

On the other hand, if it's a special occasion or you are looking to splurge a bit, Medellin is probably the spot for you. Because if you show up at the right time and look hard enough, you will find girls that are straight up 9's or higher. And when you do, money will suddenly seem like it's no object to you.

If you are lucky, she will start off by offering 200 USD. Which at current exchange rates is approaching 800 k. And suddenly, getting her down to 500 k (which she likely will accept) will feel like a bargain to you.

I'm about as tight as they come, but there are a few women in Medellin that I will gladly pay 500 k to sleep with. And yes, it's worth the flight and hotel to get to them. The one thing Medellin has going for it is that the price for the average street girl has risen so much that you are better off hunting the top of the line for just 200 k more. If guys refused to pay street girls more than 200 k, you'd see prices fall across the board.

So Medellin is the place I'm going when I am willing to fork out 500 k for the best semi-pro I can find lingering around a bar in Colombia. But I'm sure as hell not negotiating with anyone in US dollars. Any gringo who pulls out a US bill in anything but the most desperate circumstances is only contributing to the problem. If the girl of my dreams is going to turn down 500 k, then she's not the girl of my dreams. The 500 k threshold is my ceiling for even the most beautiful women out there.

But at 500 k, you have to ask yourself if it's even worth it for multiple reasons. Let's say the girl is everything you hoped for and more and you can't wait to see her again. Now you are faced with shelling out 500 k a pop, because I guarantee you the price isn't going to go down. The alternative is trying to find a cheaper girl, who is now sure to disappoint you after what you just had. So before you agree to the 500 k, think about whether it will really just be a one time thing. Are you really going to be able to resist shelling out 500 k again the next time you are in town? Or the next? And once she has a few guys who will regularly pay that price, I guarantee she won't agree to less than 600 k for the next guy, and her opening offer will be 250 USD. Because she already has plenty of steady income coming in. And then one day, she tells you the new price is 600 k. Or 700 k.

This is how prices start to spiral. That's why you won't see me pay 500 k for any girl anytime soon. It's just not worth opening that door unless you are prepared to close it. And it is much easier to walk away from the first negotiation than once a beautiful vixen already has her hooks in you. So, if you have to swallow hard before accepting the offer, it's probably better to walk away. Easier said than done, sure. But that is the only way we are going to get prices to drop or at least stabilize. That's my take on Medellin.

In the meantime, you will find me sprawled on a hotel bed in Bogota, where I am probably being attentively serviced by a young college coed for little more than I planned to spend on dinner that night.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2904080]...and trust me, I'm not paying 250,300 or more.[/QUOTE]How much are you paying?

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2904080]Except with pros, I only do BBFS as well. It's usually with girls I have known, non-pros, or referrals (sisters, cousins, friends). I primarily use Facebook (other than referrals) But the difference is that I have never paid a cent extra for BBFS (and trust me, I'm not paying 250,300 or more). In fact, I can't remember the last time any chica asked me for more for BBFS. Interesting.[/QUOTE]Newbie here headed down next month. How does one find them on Facebook?

[QUOTE=Igor54;2904017]100%, If you are a foreigner, then add to the price of a pusy the price of hotel, air tickets and other expenses. And you will get that you pay much more than in your country for the same staff.[/QUOTE]But you may live in a country where it is illegal. Also there is more to it than sticking your dick into a hole. The same as it comes out much cheaper to buy the alcohol at the store and drink it at home. Yet people go out to bars and clubs where it costs much more. It is about the total experience, not just the act.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2904080]But the difference is that I have never paid a cent extra for BBFS (and trust me, I'm not paying 250,300 or more). In fact, I can't remember the last time any chica asked me for more for BBFS. Interesting.[/QUOTE]I think that trend starts with guys offering chicks more to do certain things. Eventually chicks realize they can make more money for something they would otherwise have done at no extra charge. It is like guys start mongering in Tijuana where shit is known to be a la carte. Then as they travel they take those a la carte habits and fuck up the places that things have always been all inclusive. Again guys are their own worst enemy.

Unless you have a COVID-like situation or a complete economic implosion, you will never see prices drop so it's not worth holding out that hope. Prices are related to a confluence of factors; inflation, global markets, greater education, etc. You can't go back to the pre-internet days where ladies didn't have online suitors, cheap flights, drug war instability, etc. Truthfully, it shouldn't go back to that just so a bunch of old foreigners on fixed income can get their nut off by taking advantage of arbitrage on poor girls from the barrios.

I know it sucks to hear, but getting priced out of a market has nothing to do with "girls making up numbers" and has much more to do with the individuals being priced out of a broader increase in global incomes. In the end, western workers have watched their incomes go up far more than the going rate for the working girls in Medellin which has led to a proliferation in "weekend warriors" and other mongers who have cash to spend.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2904089]...So, if you have to swallow hard before accepting the offer, it's probably better to walk away. Easier said than done, sure. But that is the only way we are going to get prices to drop or at least stabilize. That's my take on Medellin....[/QUOTE]The problem is many people who come 1 or 2 weeks occasionally won't walk away because time is not on their side.

Five-six years ago 150-250 was average, and the chics were much more Friendly.

Recently one ask 150 COP. And another 600 COP!

We travel, paying for Room, Flights food etc. This is why prices should stay down.

I believe pandemic is mostly the cause, Onlyfans, content sellers, scammers with fake FB profiles etc.

Some of the poor 'models' are taking Advantage.

The Bello and some other areas are much better than some know.

[QUOTE=MoneyShot;2904174]Five-six years ago 150-250 was average, and the chics were much more Friendly. Recently one ask 150 COP. And another 600 COP! We travel, paying for Room, Flights food etc. This is why prices should stay down. I believe pandemic is mostly the cause, Onlyfans, content sellers, scammers with fake FB profiles etc.

Some of the poor 'models' are taking Advantage.[/QUOTE]It has nothing to do with the pandemic and everything to do with guys believing they should be paying according to how many instagram followers the "model" has.

[QUOTE=SnowGuy898;2904127]Newbie here headed down next month. How does one find them on Facebook?[/QUOTE]I am also curious about this. Is there a FB group? Or any individual profile that you guys can refer to? I want to prep 2-3 girls a week in advance about upcoming trip.

[QUOTE=MoneyShot;2904174]Five-six years ago 150-250 was average, and the chics were much more Friendly.

Recently one ask 150 COP. And another 600 COP!

We travel, paying for Room, Flights food etc. This is why prices should stay down.

I believe pandemic is mostly the cause, Onlyfans, content sellers, scammers with fake FB profiles etc.

Some of the poor 'models' are taking Advantage.

The Bello and some other areas are much better than some know.[/QUOTE]It doesn't make any sense that just because you pay for an airline flight and hotel rooms, that prices should stay down. Prices are determined by supply and demand. While there is plenty of supply, there is plenty of demand. Supply is broken down by types of girls. While there may be plenty of girls available, the type of girls that are most desired in terms of attractiveness is more limited but the men who desire them is large. So these types of girls can ask for more money and there will be takers. Girls who are less attractive have less demand and so they don't have much pricing power and so they tend to be cheaper.

I wouldn't say that the girls are taken advantage. I would say that the smarter younger attractive girls are trying to maximize their earnings which is something people around the world try to do in a capitalist country.

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2904212]I am also curious about this. Is there a FB group? Or any individual profile that you guys can refer to? I want to prep 2-3 girls a week in advance about upcoming trip.[/QUOTE]There is no FB group of young attractive girls in Medellin who want to meet foreigners. You have to search for them individually.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2904156]Unless you have a COVID-like situation or a complete economic implosion, you will never see prices drop so it's not worth holding out that hope. Prices are related to a confluence of factors; inflation, global markets, greater education, etc. You can't go back to the pre-internet days where ladies didn't have online suitors, cheap flights, drug war instability, etc. Truthfully, it shouldn't go back to that just so a bunch of old foreigners on fixed income can get their nut off by taking advantage of arbitrage on poor girls from the barrios.

I know it sucks to hear, but getting priced out of a market has nothing to do with "girls making up numbers" and has much more to do with the individuals being priced out of a broader increase in global incomes. In the end, western workers have watched their incomes go up far more than the going rate for the working girls in Medellin which has led to a proliferation in "weekend warriors" and other mongers who have cash to spend.[/QUOTE]There is some notion that if all guys hold firm, they can hold prices down. A massive conspiracy among mongers will never happen. It is a pipedream. Also if it is successful and prices are held down to very low prices, then the outflow of young pretty girls will increase because there is such a price disparity in how much they can earn overseas. You can already see large numbers of Colombian girls in Costa Rica and Mexico charging more.

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2904212]I am also curious about this. Is there a FB group? Or any individual profile that you guys can refer to? I want to prep 2-3 girls a week in advance about upcoming trip.[/QUOTE]Browse my post history, I posted it probably 3 times this year. You an easily add hundreds if not a thousand from that info if it has not been screwed up.

[QUOTE=SnowGuy898;2904127]Newbie here headed down next month. How does one find them on Facebook?[/QUOTE]It took me 2 years to get 300+ facebook girls has friends, out of that I date only 10 of them regularly, normal girl that have good family and boyfriend never ask more than 300 mil for a few hours most of them never talk about using condoms, just keed in mind that they are always late or sometime cancelling, the best advise that I can give you is to play their game and overbook dates so your turn to cancel at any time and make sure that you are not ending with no date at all.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2904200]It has nothing to do with the pandemic and everything to do with guys believing they should be paying according to how many instagram followers the "model" has.[/QUOTE]I had her in the club for 250. She speaks Spanish, a little Portuguese because she is new from another country to the north. She did not understand my intention. I actually wanted her to come twice a day and maybe everyday. I am willing to pay accordingly but she gave me an hourly rate so quickly that ruins it. This is before that I understood what was going on overall.

The ones that I had all go to the club at night to charge 500 and up. I was wondering why they all dressed so formally in a daytime club. The mystery solved because they go to the club at night time after. I asked one girl I like if she lives alone. She said she lives with her sister and told me you went out with her. Haha.

[QUOTE=SnowGuy898;2904127]Newbie here headed down next month. How does one find them on Facebook?[/QUOTE]Here is what worked for me:

Step 1: Set up a new FB page just for Medellin. I didn't want to combine my "real" FB page with my Medellin FB page. I added a couple real pictures of myself, but I didn't use my real name and didn't use my real location. I don't need my neighbor finding my Medellin FB page.

Step 2: Next, I found the FB page for the Mansion. There is an unofficial page. Just search for "Hotel Medelland la Mansiand".

Step 3: I checked the profiles of people who have posted on the Mansion FB page. For some of them, their friend list is visible to the public.

Step 4: Scroll through the friend lists and add as a friend anyone who lives in Medellin and looks appealing. As you are looking through friend lists, you'll also see profiles of other mongers. See if their friend list is visible. If it is, scroll through the lists and add away.

Step 5: Let the magical FB algorithm do its work. Once you start friending females in Medellin, FB will start suggesting others. The "People You May Know" on my FB page now recommends, almost exclusively, females in their 20's in Medellin.

In addition to the Mansion page, I also looked at the FB pages for a few trendy restaurants and clubs in Medellin, and the strip clubs, and found girls to friend and girls who had visible friend lists.

I have a hazy memory of reading somewhere in the forum that you should only add a few friends a day, as FB's algorithm will potentially kill any profile that is adding excessive amounts of friends. That wasn't the case with me. I had hundreds of pending friend requests at a time, and no problems. Maybe I got lucky.

Be selective in who you friend. Avoid profiles that: have no history; have few friends (like less than 300); have only male friends; or have no photos.

[QUOTE=Caboteur;2904256]It took me 2 years to get 300+ facebook girls has friends, out of that I date only 10 of them regularly, [/QUOTE]There is an app called"Glambu" that I also use with very good success.

I know less than most about sourcing girls on facebook. From my outsider's perspective, I don't understand why it would take years to find a dozen attractive girls you enjoying spending time with who are willing to accept 300 K. It confuses the hell out of me but again, I know les about facebook sourcing than most guys.

[QUOTE=Caboteur;2904256]It took me 2 years to get 300+ facebook girls has friends, out of that I date only 10 of them regularly, normal girl that have good family and boyfriend never ask more than 300 mil for a few hours most of them never talk about using condoms, just keed in mind that they are always late or sometime cancelling, the best advise that I can give you is to play their game and overbook dates so your turn to cancel at any time and make sure that you are not ending with no date at all.[/QUOTE]

Just go to the Reports of Distinction thread: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2016-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction[/URL].

And search for "Facebook" within that thread.

I am visiting Medellin in a few weeks. Can anyone recommend any agencies here?

I am a veteran of Bogota and I have sampled nearly the entire lineup from several agencies there and I have to say that it has been amazing (except for the fact that some girls have literally DOUBLED their rates).

I am hoping Medelling has something similar.

I pay 150 or 200, typically. I have a couple of non-pros / normal girls who I throw 100 to for their "cosas" and maybe we get some Rappi. On rare occasion, I might splurge at 250. But I've kind of stopped that because the service is really no better (often worse) and these girls are regular pros. I won't pay 300 or more for girls that have been used and abused, who only look good because of all their surgeries and who think they are the shit. No need for them, but some guys like that kind of girl.

P.S. - keep in mind that I am grandfathered with some. And sometimes girls try to raise the price a bit. If I don't like the increase, I just stop seeing them. Sometimes they come back after they realize they are not as good (or popular) as they thought and sometimes they don't.

[QUOTE=TonyEm;2904098]How much are you paying?[/QUOTE]

A US citizen and retired police officer has died after falling from the balcony of the third floor of the ibis hotel in Medellin.

[URL]https://youtu.be/-yrh5uaVgoI?si=AzQ161zoI8LIwfSC[/URL]

Follow Along.

Can you help with agencies from Bogota? I been to Medellin and not aware of any agencies except some high end strip clubs like La Isla.

[QUOTE=MongerFriend;2904601]I am visiting Medellin in a few weeks. Can anyone recommend any agencies here?

I am a veteran of Bogota and I have sampled nearly the entire lineup from several agencies there and I have to say that it has been amazing (except for the fact that some girls have literally DOUBLED their rates).

I am hoping Medelling has something similar.[/QUOTE]

I'm using binance, is the cost really $60!

I see minimum is. 0005 which is about $35 plus transaction fee of $25!

Is there a way to pay something closer to the sub fee of $25?

Can I move my crypto from binance so the fee is not so outrageous?

Any help appreciated.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2904622]A US citizen and retired police officer has died after falling from the balcony of the third floor of the ibis hotel in Medellin.

[URL]https://youtu.be/-yrh5uaVgoI?si=AzQ161zoI8LIwfSC[/URL]

Follow Along.[/QUOTE]Been hearing a lot about people "falling off" balconies in their hotels. Might be the new way how they dispose bodies idk. It's getting out of hand. There's no way this is accident.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2904824]Been hearing a lot about people "falling off" balconies in their hotels. Might be the new way how they dispose bodies idk. It's getting out of hand. There's no way this is accident.[/QUOTE]
There's actually a colorful word for it: "Defenestration" (from the Neo-Latin de fenestra) defined as the act of throwing someone or something out of a window. The term supposedly dates back to the "Defenestrations of Prague", when two Imperial governors and their secretary were tossed from the Prague Castle, thereby sparking the Thirty Years' War.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2904824]Been hearing a lot about people "falling off" balconies in their hotels. Might be the new way how they dispose bodies idk. It's getting out of hand. There's no way this is accident.[/QUOTE]Let's be real here; is it more likely that a drunk dude, high on painkillers fell out of an apartment or that it was some elaborate murder by a jilted paisa? Is it so outlandish to think to that another old guy partied too hard and couldn't accept the fact he wasn't 25 anymore? I understand the worry about getting scoped or robbed on a dark road, but this is a major stretch and it only downplays the real dangers of the area by sensationalizing every random story of old guys not understanding their limits and trying to feel young again.

Either way, let's wait for the full story to come out.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2904852]Let's be real here; is it more likely that a drunk dude, high on painkillers fell out of an apartment or that it was some elaborate murder by a jilted paisa?[/QUOTE]Met a guy here in Thailand a couple of weeks ago. He said when he was in Medellin he took some of that tussi. He felt invincible and on top of the world and was out on the balcony acting out. It took the chick that was with him to calm him down and get him back inside. He could have made himself a statistic.

When pulling girls from inside a strip club or casa, it's usually quite straight forward since everyone knows why you and they are there. But when pulling from the street whether at El Centro or Parque Lleras, it might be a bit different. So it would be interesting to get a sample from the MDE vets here on what their usual opening dialogue lines in Spanish are when pulling from the streets. After the usual 'Hola, como estas?' openings, do you get right into business to ask if they are available and rates or do you start off with more general small talk chit chat? Do you initiate questions on business already confirming they are working girls or do you wait for them to bring up business?

And since each country even in Latin America might have their own unique phrases in Spanish to start business conversations, it would be interesting to see if MDE has any specific phrases unique to this area. For example, in Tijuana, Mexico, they all understand the English phrase 'fucky sucky'. What about here?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2904952]When pulling girls from inside a strip club or casa, it's usually quite straight forward since everyone knows why you and they are there. But when pulling from the street whether at El Centro or Parque Lleras, it might be a bit different. So it would be interesting to get a sample from the MDE vets here on what their usual opening dialogue lines in Spanish are when pulling from the streets. After the usual 'Hola, como estas?' openings, do you get right into business to ask if they are available and rates or do you start off with more general small talk chit chat? Do you initiate questions on business already confirming they are working girls or do you wait for them to bring up business?

And since each country even in Latin America might have their own unique phrases in Spanish to start business conversations, it would be interesting to see if MDE has any specific phrases unique to this area. For example, in Tijuana, Mexico, they all understand the English phrase 'fucky sucky'. What about here?[/QUOTE]Cuanto cuesta?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2904952]When pulling girls from inside a strip club or casa, it's usually quite straight forward since everyone knows why you and they are there. But when pulling from the street whether at El Centro or Parque Lleras, it might be a bit different. So it would be interesting to get a sample from the MDE vets here on what their usual opening dialogue lines in Spanish are when pulling from the streets. After the usual 'Hola, como estas?' openings, do you get right into business to ask if they are available and rates or do you start off with more general small talk chit chat? Do you initiate questions on business already confirming they are working girls or do you wait for them to bring up business?

And since each country even in Latin America might have their own unique phrases in Spanish to start business conversations, it would be interesting to see if MDE has any specific phrases unique to this area. For example, in Tijuana, Mexico, they all understand the English phrase 'fucky sucky'. What about here?[/QUOTE]Usually I will say "Hola amor, estas trabajando?" if they say yes that will confirm that they are working girls.

Then I will say "cuanto vale el rato?" this is the Colombian equivalent of 'cuanto cobras' that you may have learned in Tijuana. Basically just asking how much she charges or what is the value of a short time session. If she responds 40 mil then you know she is being honest, but if she says 70 mil then you know she is trying to hit you with gringo tax so politely say "no gracias, usted sabe que acá el rato vale 40 mil' and move on to the next one. If they say 50 mil that is still close enough to the normal range and some girls are actually charging that now but you can counter offer with "amor es que solo tengo 40 mil why para la pieza" (you only have 40 k and enough for the room). That will usually work to lower a 50 k girl to 40 k, but if not then just move on again to the next one unless if it's a girl you absolutely must have.

Also after finding one that accept 40 mil you can ask about extras such as BBBJ or even BBFS but I personally like to ask that in the room after smelling and tasting their vaginas to see if they at lesst have decent hygiene and I can also show them my dick and show them that I am not currently having any symptoms of any STDs. I will often put my dick in their faces and say something like "mire revisame el guebo, estoy sano why limpio" you can't exactly do that in the street LOL.

However some guys insist on negotiating extras before hand but I find that I have a better success rate asking inside the room and if they decline the extras then I still fuck them with a condom and I keep the extra money that I would have given them for the extras.

This applies to El Centro by the way.

Obviously dealing with Facebook girls or barrio chicas I do usually negotiate all the extras beforehand especially if I am paying like 150 mil.

Hope this helps.

Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2904788]Can you help with agencies from Bogota? I been to Medellin and not aware of any agencies except some high end strip clubs like La Isla.[/QUOTE]Agencies in my order of preference in Bogota.

1. Eroticas Bogota.

2. Encounters VIP.

3. La Celestina.

All 3 use WhatsApp and Telegram. Girls are usually on time. The lineup was waaayyy better during Covid but it it still not too bad.

Do not ask the agency for recommendations. Just pick a girl based on your liking. Agency tends to recommend the girls that are most convenient for them.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2904952]When pulling girls from inside a strip club or casa, it's usually quite straight forward since everyone knows why you and they are there. But when pulling from the street whether at El Centro or Parque Lleras, it might be a bit different.[/QUOTE]Are you really pulling if she is a hooker? I just walk up and say cuanto cobras? How much do you charge? No need for small talk. Like you said, everyone knows why everyone is in those places.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2904622]A US citizen and retired police officer has died after falling from the balcony of the third floor of the ibis hotel in Medellin.

[URL]https://youtu.be/-yrh5uaVgoI?si=AzQ161zoI8LIwfSC[/URL]

Follow Along.[/QUOTE]Now guys, let's just calm down. Why would whoever choose to kill the guy by throwing him off the third floor balcony? Why not just commit the crime in the room rather than bring so much attention to the act?

You guys got balls for looking for girls in Medelin imo, its pretty shady out there.

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2904970]Cuanto cuesta?[/QUOTE]This is what I use to do in Tijuana with both the club girls and the streetwalkers outside (so we definitely know they are working girls and no risk of offending a non-pro). I would just say 'cuanto cuesta sucky fucky 30 minutos?' or 'una hora?' and that was sufficient. I would think that these would work in any Latin America destination but wanted to find out about the MDE specific phrases if any.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2904973]Usually I will say "Hola amor, estas trabajando?" if they say yes that will confirm that they are working girls.

Then I will say "cuanto vale el rato?" this is the Colombian equivalent of 'cuanto cobras' that you may have learned in Tijuana. Basically just asking how much she charges or what is the value of a short time session. If she responds 40 mil then you know she is being honest, but if she says 70 mil then you know she is trying to hit you with gringo tax so politely say "no gracias, usted sabe que ac el rato vale 40 mil' and move on to the next one. If they say 50 mil that is still close enough to the normal range and some girls are actually charging that now but you can counter offer with "amor es que solo tengo 40 mil why para la pieza" (you only have 40 k and enough for the room). That will usually work to lower a 50 k girl to 40 k, but if not then just move on again to the next one unless if it's a girl you absolutely must have.

Also after finding one that accept 40 mil you can ask about extras such as BBBJ or even BBFS but I personally like to ask that in the room after smelling and tasting their vaginas to see if they at lesst have decent hygiene and I can also show them my dick and show them that I am not currently having any symptoms of any STDs. I will often put my dick in their faces and say something like "mire revisame el guebo, estoy sano why limpio" you can't exactly do that in the street LOL.

However some guys insist on negotiating extras before hand but I find that I have a better success rate asking inside the room and if they decline the extras then I still fuck them with a condom and I keep the extra money that I would have given them for the extras.

This applies to El Centro by the way.

Obviously dealing with Facebook girls or barrio chicas I do usually negotiate all the extras beforehand especially if I am paying like 150 mil.

Hope this helps.

Gabacho.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your negotiation dialogue. I suppose this would be similar for Parqu Lleras of Mansion girls but switching out the 40 mil to say 250 mil or so.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2905047]This is what I use to do in Tijuana with both the club girls and the streetwalkers outside (so we definitely know they are working girls and no risk of offending a non-pro). I would just say 'cuanto cuesta sucky fucky 30 minutos?' or 'una hora?' and that was sufficient. I would think that these would work in any Latin America destination but wanted to find out about the MDE specific phrases if any.[/QUOTE]I think just hitting up a girl for price really can decrease odds of having a good session--Slow Down-- You have to romances these hoes -- Create chemistry. Also you can detect bad attitudes and dodge a bullet-- I like to see what happens if you grab her ass or tweak her boob a little-.

All the price talk will come up -- Talking to hoes has increased my skill and decreased my fear of talking to regular girls-- Good Luck.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2905050]Thanks for your negotiation dialogue. I suppose this would be similar for Parqu Lleras of Mansion girls but switching out the 40 mil to say 250 mil or so.[/QUOTE]Exactly just change it to 250 mil for lleras since that is the going rate there.

[QUOTE=Marxh;2904822]...Is there a way to pay something closer to the sub fee of $25?...[/QUOTE]I think there is an option mail cash.

[QUOTE=Marxh;2904822]I'm using binance, is the cost really $60!

I see minimum is. 0005 which is about $35 plus transaction fee of $25!

Is there a way to pay something closer to the sub fee of $25?

Can I move my crypto from binance so the fee is not so outrageous?

Any help appreciated.[/QUOTE]If you are in the us look for rocketcoin. Or look for something similar. Rocketcoin is in tons of gas stations and was easy to create a wallet. I funded it with cash into the ATM and haven't had any problems with minimums.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2905047]This is what I use to do in Tijuana with both the club girls and the streetwalkers outside (so we definitely know they are working girls and no risk of offending a non-pro). I would just say 'cuanto cuesta sucky fucky 30 minutos?' or 'una hora?' and that was sufficient. I would think that these would work in any Latin America destination but wanted to find out about the MDE specific phrases if any.[/QUOTE]I must say that I have never heard any of the girls in Medellin ever say "sucky fucky". Usually they would say the Spanish slang or wording for the acts. They might understand it but I don't think the terminology is used that often with the girls. It does sound a bit crude though.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2905087]I must say that I have never heard any of the girls in Medellin ever say "sucky fucky". [/QUOTE]Only place I have heard that is Sosua. Sucky, fucky, freaky, freaky. Reminds me of the first time a buddy came to Thailand and he wanted to exchange money so he kept telling people changee. I was like man why do you keep saying that. Just say it regular. They understand. He was like well that is what they say in Korea.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2905070]I think just hitting up a girl for price really can decrease odds of having a good session--Slow Down-- You have to romances these hoes -- Create chemistry. Also you can detect bad attitudes and dodge a bullet-- I like to see what happens if you grab her ass or tweak her boob a little-.

All the price talk will come up -- Talking to hoes has increased my skill and decreased my fear of talking to regular girls-- Good Luck.[/QUOTE]I do not call up Pizza Hut and make small talk in hopes they will make and deliver my pizza right. It is the same when I am shopping for hookers online. I ask if they are available. If they say yes then I ask how much they charge. Then if the price is right I ask for the location. No need in taking up a hooker's or pizza hut cashier's time by asking where they are from and what they did last night.

All that odds of a good session stuff is in your mind. People fuck how they fuck. I have gotten to know normal chicks for months before having sex yet the sex was still horrible. There is nobody saying I will not fuck well because he did not ask about my kids. People just have different skill levels with different things. I would not be able to work on your jet engine no matter how much small talk you made because I am simply not good at working on jet engines. All hookers are not good at sex. They do it for thr money, not for the love of the game.

Talking to normal chicks has never been a problem for me. When we were 12 and 13 we would go to places like Six Flags and the mall and have contests to see who gets the most phone numbers.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2905070]I think just hitting up a girl for price really can decrease odds of having a good session--Slow Down-- You have to romances these hoes -- Create chemistry. Also you can detect bad attitudes and dodge a bullet-- I like to see what happens if you grab her ass or tweak her boob a little-.

All the price talk will come up -- Talking to hoes has increased my skill and decreased my fear of talking to regular girls-- Good Luck.[/QUOTE]This applies to most anywhere but more specific to Colombia example wise.

Anybody remember the saying "When in Rome"? Seems like so many guys want to try to bring Rome to Colombia. I say this because in Botero I watch so many gringos try to talk the poor girls to death. Then I watch the Colombian guys chat for 5-10 minutes maximum and start walking to the hotel. Do what the locals do! The more time you want to spend with the girl, the more time you should use to vet the girl. She does not want her time wasted. Buy her a drink and a simple 15 minute chat should give you a 80-90% success rate of determination if she is good or bad. If she is all talk her attitude will appear at about the 10 minute mark. You will see the "hurry up" attitude which is what she will do to you in the bed. But I would start with ST trial test first. If chemistry is there it should be fairly easy to transition it to LT. Going straight up to even a street girl and asking how much is a bit rude. But 80%+ already have BFs so the romance stuff is largely BS. But always be nice and treat her as a regular girl, not a pro, and act appreciative that she is willing to go with you. I see very few Colombian guys grabbing asses and tits or even hugging the Botero street girls because they are in public, and hardly consider that romancing.

I forgot what words the girls used but "fucky sucky" was not it. Please do not start that. Such a horrible expression.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2905087]I must say that I have never heard any of the girls in Medellin ever say "sucky fucky". Usually they would say the Spanish slang or wording for the acts. They might understand it but I don't think the terminology is used that often with the girls. It does sound a bit crude though.[/QUOTE]Just I suppose 'fucky sucky' is a bit crude but it is quite prevalent in Asia (Thailand, Philippines) and I definitely heard it being used in Tijuana as well. Another term widely used in Thailand is 'boom boom' for full service and this is has been limited to that region only. I don't recall what was used in Costa Rica where there are many Colombians but these terms probably not needed as much since vast majority of girls there are in the hotel bars known for picking up working girls and their versions of casas.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2905196]Just I suppose 'fucky sucky' is a bit crude but it is quite prevalent in Asia (Thailand, Philippines) and I definitely heard it being used in Tijuana as well. Another term widely used in Thailand is 'boom boom' for full service and this is has been limited to that region only. I don't recall what was used in Costa Rica where there are many Colombians but these terms probably not needed as much since vast majority of girls there are in the hotel bars known for picking up working girls and their versions of casas.[/QUOTE]Sex in Spanish is sexo. How else in the world would someone ask the price other than Quanto Cuesta? You guys over think it.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2905229]...How else in the world would someone ask the price other than Quanto Cuesta? ....[/QUOTE]If you read the previous answers from Spanish speakers here. This is not what they use but the girl will understand it.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2905233]If you read the previous answers from Spanish speakers here. This is not what they use but the girl will understand it.[/QUOTE]Of course she will understand it. I have to use the Spanish I know. I learn Spanish and I use it. It isn't that mysterious. These guys will totally forget that sexo means sex. How hard is that one to remember or know?

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2905252]Of course she will understand it. I have to use the Spanish I know. I learn Spanish and I use it. It isn't that mysterious. These guys will totally forget that sexo means sex. How hard is that one to remember or know?[/QUOTE]You original post implied that is the only way or the best way. I merely pointed out politely for other members that may not be the case.

I learned from Mr E. He actually explained the difference before. Then I observed how the girls responded which matched what Mr E was suggesting

I learned what Gabacho said from another member Pollo Negro if any one still remember him.

I think if you are not sure a girl is a working girl on Calle 10, then use what Gabacho suggested. You can also use what Mr E suggested afterward because it is simpler.

There are different degrees of questioning you can ask, depending on where you meet the girl from. I am lucky enough to know some very experienced members that gave help generously. I am grateful for that. Many do not post here anymore. I was talking to girl currently and wasn't sure if she wanted to be paid for something or not because there was an ambiguity of the word used. A word can have two different meanings depending on if the girl is working girl or not. A conversation with a friend and he taught me how to phrase the whole thing solved the issue. I even got an response right away which normally would take a while. It's an art to me when you are not sure who you are talking to.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2905139]Only place I have heard that is Sosua. Sucky, fucky, freaky, freaky. Reminds me of the first time a buddy came to Thailand and he wanted to exchange money so he kept telling people changee. I was like man why do you keep saying that. Just say it regular. They understand. He was like well that is what they say in Korea.[/QUOTE]What did 'freaky freaky' imply?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2905280]You original post implied that is the only way or the best way. I merely pointed out politely for other members that may not be the case.

I learned from Mr E. He actually explained the difference before. Then I observed how the girls responded which matched what Mr E was suggesting

I learned what Gabacho said from another member Pollo Negro if any one still remember him.

I think if you are not sure a girl is a working girl on Calle 10, then use what Gabacho suggested. You can also use what Mr E suggested afterward because it is simpler.

There are different degrees of questioning you can ask, depending on where you meet the girl from. I am lucky enough to know some very experienced members that gave help generously. I am grateful for that. Many do not post here anymore. I was talking to girl currently and wasn't sure if she wanted to be paid for something or not because there was an ambiguity of the word used. A word can have two different meanings depending on if the girl is working girl or not. A conversation with a friend and he taught me how to phrase the whole thing solved the issue. I even got an response right away which normally would take a while. It's an art to me when you are not sure who you are talking to.[/QUOTE]When you have two people who want something to happen, they will understand enough to make it happen. You want sex. She wants money. If that is what the two people want, they can usually figure things out using basic Google Translate. It's not rocket science. You can just ask how much she wants and she will tell you. You can agree or counteroffer. You can show a number on your cellphone to make it easier and indicate mil to avoid understanding as to pesos versus dollars. You don't really need to say "fucky sucky" because it is understood that you want sex. Now you may want to discuss how long you expect the girl to stay or to discuss two shots or more if that is what you want. Now I had girls say polvo as busting a nut so maybe dos polvos as two shots, perhaps? But I have limited Spanish.

So much of what is simple appears to be complicated on this website. How many times, for example, do the subjects of facebook tactics and ATM procedures come up?

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2905300]When you have two people who want something to happen, they will understand enough to make it happen. You want sex. She wants money. If that is what the two people want, they can usually figure things out using basic Google Translate. It's not rocket science. You can just ask how much she wants and she will tell you. You can agree or counteroffer. You can show a number on your cellphone to make it easier and indicate mil to avoid understanding as to pesos versus dollars. You don't really need to say "fucky sucky" because it is understood that you want sex. Now you may want to discuss how long you expect the girl to stay or to discuss two shots or more if that is what you want. Now I had girls say polvo as busting a nut so maybe dos polvos as two shots, perhaps? But I have limited Spanish.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2905300]When you have two people who want something to happen, they will understand enough to make it happen. ....[/QUOTE]This is for who are like me and want to learn about the subtlety of what has been mentioned.

If you are not sure who is a working girl on Calle 10, one polite way to tell them apart is to ask "Estas trabajando" as Gobacho posted. This applies to Centro as well. Of course one can do it anyway you want. I am more timid so I prefer not to go up to a girl and ask price directly when I can't tell if she is a working girl or not. You can use the same principle on Facebook, except for me I don't use the same phrase or words suggested here when I don't know if the girl is a working girl or not. There are many ways to say the same thing but imaging the consequence when everyone ask any random FB girls "cuanto cuesta"?

Means "how's business?" or "what's the deal?".

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2905300] Now I had girls say polvo as busting a nut so maybe dos polvos as two shots, perhaps? But I have limited Spanish.[/QUOTE]I recall in the Dominican Republic (and I think in Tijuana as well), the girls referred busting a nut as 'leche' which is like milk I suppose. Has this term been used in Colombia?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2905442]I recall in the Dominican Republic (and I think in Tijuana as well), the girls referred busting a nut as 'leche' which is like milk I suppose. Has this term been used in Colombia?[/QUOTE]I knew leche as "semen", "cum". The busting of a nut would be "una corrida" (verb = correrse).

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2905442]I recall in the Dominican Republic (and I think in Tijuana as well), the girls referred busting a nut as 'leche' which is like milk I suppose. Has this term been used in Colombia?[/QUOTE]All the girls I have seen have understood or use the term "leche" which is milk to refer to cum or coming. So sometimes when you are pumping away and then you pause, they will ask you "leche?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2905350]This is for who are like me and want to learn about the subtlety of what has been mentioned.

If you are not sure who is a working girl on Calle 10, one polite way to tell them apart is to ask "Estas trabajando" as Gobacho posted. This applies to Centro as well. Of course one can do it anyway you want. I am more timid so I prefer not to go up to a girl and ask price directly when I can't tell if she is a working girl or not. You can use the same principle on Facebook, except for me I don't use the same phrase or words suggested here when I don't know if the girl is a working girl or not. There are many ways to say the same thing but imaging the consequence when everyone ask any random FB girls "cuanto cuesta"?[/QUOTE]On Facebook, it is a bit tricky with semi-pros because many tend not to mention money. Instead, they will message you about how much they want to meet with you and how handsome you are. Now, if you are an average guy or much older than the girl and the girl is young and pretty, you have to assume that she is eager to meet with you to make money even if she doesn't mention money. On my first trip, I meet with a young attractive girl without any discussion about money and it was very awkward after the sex when she asked me for money and we didn't have an agreement. As a result, now, when a girl wants to meet me and there is no discussion about money, I bring up the subject of money. Some would say you might offend the girl because she may not be a prostitute but so far, no one has been offended and the response has usually been a number or the Spanish for "how much will you give me? Usually I say "how much would you expect if we meet, my love?" in spanish using Google Translate.

Every once in a while, I do get the response that the girl does not want any money. Most guys would jump at this and want to meet a young attractive girl without payment but for me, if it is too good to be true, you have to be suspicious and so I have never meet any of the young attractive girls who say that they don't want any money from me.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2905442]I recall in the Dominican Republic (and I think in Tijuana as well), the girls referred busting a nut as 'leche' which is like milk I suppose. Has this term been used in Colombia?[/QUOTE]Yes, it is commonly used in Medellin for a man's orgasm.

[QUOTE=XXL;2905454]I knew leche as "semen", "cum". The busting of a nut would be "una corrida" (verb = correrse).[/QUOTE]Also "un polvo" is used in Medellin to refer to an orgasm or a round.

Un polvo = one nut or one round.

Dos polvos = two nuts or two rounds.

Tres polvos = three nuts or three rounds, etc.

"un polvo," as in "echar un polvo".

[QUOTE=XXL;2905454]I knew leche as "semen", "cum". The busting of a nut would be "una corrida" (verb = correrse).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2905462]Yes, it is commonly used in Medellin for a man's orgasm.[/QUOTE]I despise the word 'leche' in that context. I like it when the girl says 'rrrico' which Colombian chicas say sometimes during sex. I also love to hear the Filipinas say boom boom. Way back in the early 2000's I was in a bar in Angeles city when a group of girls went on stage and sang a Boom Boom song in Tagalog. The crotch area of my pants came under great stress during the singing of that song although the only words I understood were 'Boom Boom'. LOL.

[QUOTE=XXL;2905454]I knew leche as "semen", "cum". [/QUOTE]Exactly. It is not just a Colombian thing! Try to search porn videos for "milking" (beware).

The subtext of what a girl is getting at when she says "leche" is "hurry the fuck up and get off of me. ".

[QUOTE=Turgid;2905485]I despise the word 'leche' in that context. I like it when the girl says 'rrrico' which Colombian chicas say sometimes during sex. I also love to hear the Filipinas say boom boom. Way back in the early 2000's I was in a bar in Angeles city when a group of girls went on stage and sang a Boom Boom song in Tagalog. The crotch area of my pants came under great stress during the singing of that song although the only words I understood were 'Boom Boom'. LOL.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://www.noticiascaracol.com/antioquia/federico-gutierrez-prohibe-ofrecer-servicios-sexuales-en-parques-lleras-y-alrededores-rg10[/URL]

For those of you who can't read Spanish, this article says that Mayor Fico Gutiérrez just signed some new decretos prohibiting prostitution in and around Parque Lleras, parque el poblado, Provenza and the surrounding areas starting now and for a period of 6 months.

It also says that bars and establishments that serve alcohol will be ordered to close at 1 am instead of the current 2 am or 4 am time that they currently close.

As soon as there is a new episode from DC Rob covering this story I will post a link so you guys can follow along in English.

I can't post an image right now but a buddy sent this to me. I am hoping this means more Centro action and might keep prices down.

What do you guys think?

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2905566]I can't post an image right now but a buddy sent this to me. I am hoping this means more Centro action and might keep prices down.What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]Here's a Google translate of the front page report in today's newspaper (El Colombiano):

Medellin's Mayor's Office prohibits supply and demand of sexual services in El Poblado and premises will have to close at 1:00 am.

The two measures, which include the prohibition of the practice of prostitution for the next six months, aim to counteract the sexual exploitation of girls, boys and adolescents after finding a foreigner with two girls in a hotel in that area of Medellin.

As promised during a press conference held last Sunday, March 31, the mayor of Medellin Federico Gutirrez announced this Monday drastic measures to counteract the sexual exploitation of girls, boys and adolescents in the city.

This Monday, the local president announced that his office decided to prohibit "the demand or request for sexual services or related activities" in commune 14, El Poblado, for six months.

Specifically, Gutirrez ordered the temporary suspension of the demand or request for sexual services and related activities as well as their promotion and advertising in any format in the public space of the area.

The measure taken by the Mayor's Office of Medellin covers a polygon that extends to the surroundings of El Poblado Park, Provenza, Lleras Park, La Presidenta linear park and surrounding residential areas.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2905566]I can't post an image right now but a buddy sent this to me. I am hoping this means more Centro action and might keep prices down.

What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]That's great news! Sick and tired of the shit show around Lleras. The park used to be a great place to hang out, look at it now, so disgusting. Centro hoes should stay in Centro where they belong.

When does this take effect? From what I read, my understanding is prostitution can still occur in parque lleras, but not after 1 am.

Correct?

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2905576]Here's a Google translate of the front page report in today's newspaper (El Colombiano):

Medellin's Mayor's Office prohibits supply and demand of sexual services in El Poblado and premises will have to close at 1:00 am.

The two measures, which include the prohibition of the practice of prostitution for the next six months, aim to counteract the sexual exploitation of girls, boys and adolescents after finding a foreigner with two girls in a hotel in that area of Medellin.

As promised during a press conference held last Sunday, March 31, the mayor of Medellin Federico Gutirrez announced this Monday drastic measures to counteract the sexual exploitation of girls, boys and adolescents in the city.

This Monday, the local president announced that his office decided to prohibit "the demand or request for sexual services or related activities" in commune 14, El Poblado, for six months.

Specifically, Gutirrez ordered the temporary suspension of the demand or request for sexual services and related activities as well as their promotion and advertising in any format in the public space of the area.

The measure taken by the Mayor's Office of Medellin covers a polygon that extends to the surroundings of El Poblado Park, Provenza, Lleras Park, La Presidenta linear park and surrounding residential areas.[/QUOTE]

Here's the English update from DC Rob about the situation in El Poblado.

[URL]https://youtu.be/DIhoWeJX9EQ?si=sNrh2xG7XIspBnSd[/URL]

Follow Along.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2905566]I can't post an image right now but a buddy sent this to me. I am hoping this means more Centro action and might keep prices down.

What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]I wonder if this will apply mostly to the streetwalkers around the park? But also wheat about the bars / clubs near by, as well as any outcalls?

That area makes tons of money off the foreigners but are now being punished because of the foreigners. It was not just the one American that caused this. IN other news the underage problems have continued to rise with the rise in tourists. Some locals may not be very happy with the foreigners at the moment so keep your head down! They may be made at you for loss of business and / or think you are a pedo. Be careful out there.

I wonder what these changes will do to prices outside of Poblado? Will it scare away the El Centro warriors and Tinseltown weekend transients or will they just funnel to other venues like el cento and Facebook. If this last six months we'll sure find out. I'm hoping a price drop comes out of this.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2905596]I wonder what these changes will do to prices outside of Poblado? Will it scare away the El Centro warriors and Tinseltown weekend transients or will they just funnel to other venues like el cento and Facebook. If this last six months we'll sure find out. I'm hoping a price drop comes out of this.[/QUOTE]Well. One thing for sure is that these Poblado girls will not be able to charge 250 mil or more in Botero. They will have to go to Facebook or work in casas or clubs or something if they want to continue to charge their exorbitant prices. I think the ones that do end up going (back) to the Botero / Veracruz area will have to charge 50 mil at most or else they won't get any customers.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2905566]I can't post an image right now but a buddy sent this to me. I am hoping this means more Centro action and might keep prices down.

What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]Less supply means higher prices I would think. They certainly will not all move to centro. And the ones that do will likely still want Poblado prices.

The situation in El Poblado is evolving so fast that DC Rob just posted a 2nd update on the ongoing situation on the ground.

[URL]https://youtu.be/W9X6AeLSjqw?si=3F4CCz_QkUcEQR7X[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Zeos1;2905599]Less supply means higher prices I would think. They certainly will not all move to centro. And the ones that do will likely still want Poblado prices.[/QUOTE]If they were to all go flood Centro then that would mean there would be more supply in El Centro as the girls from El Poblado return to work the Botero area. More Supply would mean lower prices. And if they are out there asking the same 250 mil or more then they wouldn't get any customers because the girls to the left and right of them will still be taking 40 mil or 50 mil. Also there are not as many foreigner mongers in Botero I'd say 95% of the clients are locals and only 5% are foreign and the locals aren't going to be paying 250 mil.

This should result in lower prices and more girls in El Centro.

The only way the Poblado girls will be able to continue to charge their bullshit prices will be if they go to seeking or other online venues or maybe in some of the clubs or Casas and that is if they can even get in. They may just end up going to some other city.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2905599]Less supply means higher prices I would think. They certainly will not all move to centro. And the ones that do will likely still want Poblado prices.[/QUOTE]Good luck to them getting Poblado prices in Centro.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2905608]Good luck to them getting Poblado prices in Centro.[/QUOTE]Some where in between. More customers in Centro, including those that would not have been there before. So they will bid up the attractive girls and still feel it is reasonable. Look for 150 mil prices in Centro, coming soon.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2905611]Some where in between. More customers in Centro, including those that would not have been there before. So they will bid up the attractive girls and still feel it is reasonable. Look for 150 mil prices in Centro, coming soon.[/QUOTE]150 mil in Centro will be a cold day in hell. No local will pay that much for a street walker and the 5% of foreign customers will not be able to change the market rates even if they overpay.

Now maybe a few suckers might pay 150 mil but this will not be the majority.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2905578]That's great news! Sick and tired of the shit show around Lleras. The park used to be a great place to hang out, look at it now, so disgusting. Centro hoes should stay in Centro where they belong.[/QUOTE]I actually agree. I'm tired of this pussy drain in which the Centro hoes are going to Poblado and inflating their prices. There was this dude on here InsolentSpike that was trying to hook me up with one of his chicas named Alejandra who was a 50 mil Centro girl and she was trying to say she charged 250 mil and only worked in Poblado (needless to say I told the bi*ch to kick rocks). This was back in early 2023 I believe, but anyways now all those hoes will be back to Centro taking 50 mil again like they used to. Atleast until Zeos comes along and gives them 150 mil LOL.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2905566]I can't post an image right now but a buddy sent this to me. I am hoping this means more Centro action and might keep prices down.

What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]Here's a link to some information about the creep with two girls (12 and 13 years old) that the mayor mentioned in that article. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/groups/687879467983598/?hoisted_section_header_type=recently_seen&multi_permalinks=6918277578277058[/URL].

Is anyone else receiving an unusually high number of friend requests from ladies on Facebook? Within the past week, I've received numerous requests every day. They appear to be legitimate ladies with a history of posts and numerous photos. Usually, I may get one request a week and most are from people who just created a Facebook profile.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2905601]If they were to all go flood Centro then that would mean there would be more supply in El Centro as the girls from El Poblado return to work the Botero area.[/QUOTE]Hopefully the scopolamine gangs and other nefarious groups don't follow them. They're going to be looking for a new home and pockets. Hopefully they go back to Cartagena. But of course if the typical deep wallets and heavy spenders of Parque Lleras move in any typical el Centro rat can get caught up in this El Poblado Lleras park shit.

Those big spenders and passport bros are probably scrambling right now with their upcoming trip to Medellin LOL. A huge percentage will be filtered out. Most likely cancelling their trips LOL. Only a select "few" who knows how to move will stay and continue to travel to Medellin. This will result in driving down the prices of girls tremendously as the demands gets lower. Airbnb's around those areas and hotels will have to lower their prices. 8's and 9's girls will have to relocate mostly online or start working back to strip clubs if they want to charge 250-400 k. Poblado girls got used to getting poblado prices only a few of them will go to El Centro and swallow the 50-70 k price range to compete with Centro girls. I'm guessing La isla and Fase dos will get a good roster of girls soon. Some may go to Massage spas like loutron and New life. Casas will get mostly these poblado girls, I'm assuming. A lot will migrate to Tinder and dating apps definitely. Good luck on Gusto's though lol. Whatever happens, these girls has to eat, pay rent and feed their kids. There's no way they are getting a regular job, while Fico will earn the respect of some locals with this movement. We just have to wait for what will happen in the upcoming months.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2905657]Those big spenders and passport bros are probably scrambling right now with their upcoming trip to Medellin LOL. A huge percentage will be filtered out. Most likely cancelling their trips LOL. Only a select "few" who knows how to move will stay and continue to travel to Medellin. This will result in driving down the prices of girls tremendously as the demands gets lower. Airbnb's around those areas and hotels will have to lower their prices. 8's and 9's girls will have to relocate mostly online or start working back to strip clubs if they want to charge 250-400 k. Poblado girls got used to getting poblado prices only a few of them will go to El Centro and swallow the 50-70 k price range to compete with Centro girls. I'm guessing La isla and Fase dos will get a good roster of girls soon. Some may go to Massage spas like loutron and New life. Casas will get mostly these poblado girls, I'm assuming. [/QUOTE]This is wrong and you don't know the half of it. I can't take it you guys aren't being honest. I know a police officer in Medellin and he says they don't even report 1/20th of all the pedos getting caught. They are even setting up sting-like operations for people who use facebook now. The spot has been blown up. But guess what, passport bros will barely cancel any trip because they and all their 62-year-old white guy twice-divorced counterparts think they KNOW how to move better than everybody else. Idiots reading this post right now are thinking "awesome people are leaving so I'll be the only guy in a sea of women". It brings the "It will never happen to ME, I'll be extra careful" attitude until you find yourself talking to 3 police officers in your overpriced AirBnb with a girl who told you she was 18 but only to find out she just turned 17 and you are going to jail and your name is being published all over the news in the US. Life over! And who wants live in a city where you're always on edge because of the robberies or 20 something might put some thing in your drink while you're not looking. That stress is not worth it.

This place is bad right now, foreigners get robbed and drugged every day some having their entire life-savings wiped, and prices will go UP not down because Paisa culture is greedy! They don't think about getting more clients with less expensive rates, they are too selfish and dumb for that. They will raise prices to compensate. I've lived here for 7 years and I have never seen locals so furious. They are reporting gringos to the police now left and right. In my building, they've called the police on visitors 3 times in the last month. Locals are having neighborhood meetings about gringos, pedos and gentrification. And all of this happened because YouTubers convinced the whole world that Medellin is the only city in the world with beautiful women and good prices. I plan on traveling to a few of my other favorite cities OUTSIDE of Colombia (I'm not going to say where because you clowns will blow up the spot) where I can monger in peace and I'm moving out of the city by July. It is just too much, drugging, killings, and now the Mayor hiring an ENTIRE task force to catch gringos. No way man. The writing is on the wall. If you don't believe me search "gringo go home", "Green go" on any social media website.

If the mayor is hitting Poblado that hard, do you really think he will be ignoring Centro? I suspect the mayor and his boys will be visiting Centro very soon.

I appreciate your concern. I don't think it's going to be a problem among the Centro rat population. I'm going to explain why in response to another more extreme nightmare scenario prognostication. As Gabacho says, "follow along" .

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2905647]Hopefully the scopolamine gangs and other nefarious groups don't follow them. They're going to be looking for a new home and pockets. Hopefully they go back to Cartagena. But of course if the typical deep wallets and heavy spenders of Parque Lleras move in any typical el Centro rat can get caught up in this El Poblado Lleras park shit.[/QUOTE]

The mayoral decrees have immediate legal effect but practical considerations mean you may not notice anything for a week or more. Note that prostitution remains legal because it has constitutional protection. I reckon the change for Lleras aficionados will be you will no longer have to wait until 4 am to scoop up bargains. You can start that hunt around midnight soon.

[QUOTE=BenTiger07;2905579]When does this take effect? From what I read, my understanding is prostitution can still occur in parque lleras, but not after 1 am.

Correct?[/QUOTE]

I think some historical perspective will help walk some of us back off the edge of the roof. We can all calm down and consider these points. Neither the Mayor nor the measures he decreed are new. FICO was mayor during the four years before the pandemic when Quintero took over in 2020. Both FICO and Quintero have mounted media campaigns in response to outrage when the honky tonk scene in Poblado has become offensive. As for pricing going down in Centro, I haven't noticed them going up in any significant way. Overall compared to FICO's first term (2016 to 2020) the cost of about 40 K (30 K girl + 8 k to 10 K hotel) now averages about 50 K (40 K girl + 8 K to 10 K hotel). Even though Lleras / Provenza / la 10 is a mostly nighttime scene, I think it's likely some of the providers will be squeezed back to daytime shifts in Centro because the competition will increase with fewer tourists and fewer hours in Poblado. I never believed there were many girls splitting time between Poblado and Centro until they began mentioning it to me and until my curiosity got the better of me and I watched a couple of youtube videos. Sure enough, there they were in Parque Lleras.

I don't think anyone needs to worry about Centro. Not even the pandemic could shut it down. Of course it slowed things down quite a bit but take it from me, the hotels and girls were in operation throughout. So this guy who is now being pursued under international pressure is the latest poster boy for the red line of punter behavior. The Mayor had to take action after his political enemies began to use the public outrage against him. He will be another Colombia Jake. His life is ruined now that he has been doxxed in the international press. I'm with Miamiboy on the subject of not missing all night red light district antics in Poblado. That is the endgame for any scene that is marked by flashing lights, blaring music, and international scrutiny.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2905691]If the mayor is hitting Poblado that hard, do you really think he will be ignoring Centro? I suspect the mayor and his boys will be visiting Centro very soon.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2905657]Those big spenders and passport bros are probably scrambling right now with their upcoming trip to Medellin LOL. A huge percentage will be filtered out. Most likely cancelling their trips LOL. Only a select "few" who knows how to move will stay and continue to travel to Medellin. This will result in driving down the prices of girls tremendously as the demands gets lower. Airbnb's around those areas and hotels will have to lower their prices. 8's and 9's girls will have to relocate mostly online or start working back to strip clubs if they want to charge 250-400 k. Poblado girls got used to getting poblado prices only a few of them will go to El Centro and swallow the 50-70 k price range to compete with Centro girls. I'm guessing La isla and Fase dos will get a good roster of girls soon. Some may go to Massage spas like loutron and New life. Casas will get mostly these poblado girls, I'm assuming. A lot will migrate to Tinder and dating apps definitely. Good luck on Gusto's though lol. Whatever happens, these girls has to eat, pay rent and feed their kids. There's no way they are getting a regular job, while Fico will earn the respect of some locals with this movement. We just have to wait for what will happen in the upcoming months.[/QUOTE]The girls will find a way. Enforcement by the police? Some discrete bribes by the nightclubs will take care of the matter. Girls will still be available. They are not going to arrest the girls and prostitution is not illegal so I think the girls will still be hanging around. More likely more of the girls will go online. So for guys who search for girls online, nothing really changes and there will be more girls available. As for girls in Poblado going to El Centro, that is not going to happen for most of these girls. They have established their market price and they aren't going to accept 40-50 mil. Not happening. They will find another way to find their customers for the same price. That is the beauty of seeing online girls. None of these changes affects anything.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2905691]If the mayor is hitting Poblado that hard, do you really think he will be ignoring Centro?[/QUOTE]Yes. Because this is about foreigners, not locals. The high concentration of foreigners is in Poblado. You can count the number of foreigners downtown on one hand.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2905587]Here's the English update from DC Rob about the situation in El Poblado.

[URL]https://youtu.be/DIhoWeJX9EQ?si=sNrh2xG7XIspBnSd[/URL]

Follow Along.[/QUOTE]Article if you don't want to listen to someone reading a news article:

[URL]https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/mayor-of-medellin-colombia-bans-prostitution-in-neighbourhoods-that-are-popular-with-tourists-1.6829656[/URL]

Fuckin pedo ruining it for everyone: "The Medelland prostitution ban comes just days after an American man was found in a hotel room with two local girls aged 12 and 13, in a case widely covered by the local press."

If you consider the decrees themselves rather than some of the (over) reactions on social media, Gustos and the like are being made to close 3 hours earlier than they now do. Also, as has been the case for years now, there will continue to be media friendly crackdown operations of rousting street girls and stop and frisk programs against them and punters. None of this is new, including the pedo punter being made a poster boy for the concept of foreigners being the source of Colombia's centuries old problems. It's a get out of jail free card for politicians who find themselves under pressure. I might see it differently than some who haven't been here full time for years. Even if you've never been here, just think it through logically. Does it seem realistic that whatever happens to the couple of hundred girls who run around Poblado could have a major impact on what goes on in the rest of a city of millions of people? Even if Poblado is the sum total of your Medellin experience, nothing new is being made illegal. Yes there will be heightened enforcement from time to time but that is not new either. It would be nice to see a crackdown on the roving pickpocket and stick up boy wolf packs but I'm not holding my breath.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2905657]Those big spenders and passport bros are probably scrambling right now with their upcoming trip to Medellin LOL. A huge percentage will be filtered out. Most likely cancelling their trips LOL. Only a select "few" who knows how to move will stay and continue to travel to Medellin. This will result in driving down the prices of girls tremendously as the demands gets lower. Airbnb's around those areas and hotels will have to lower their prices. 8's and 9's girls will have to relocate mostly online or start working back to strip clubs if they want to charge 250-400 k. Poblado girls got used to getting poblado prices only a few of them will go to El Centro and swallow the 50-70 k price range to compete with Centro girls. I'm guessing La isla and Fase dos will get a good roster of girls soon. Some may go to Massage spas like loutron and New life. Casas will get mostly these poblado girls, I'm assuming. A lot will migrate to Tinder and dating apps definitely. Good luck on Gusto's though lol. Whatever happens, these girls has to eat, pay rent and feed their kids. There's no way they are getting a regular job, while Fico will earn the respect of some locals with this movement. We just have to wait for what will happen in the upcoming months.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2905623]Is anyone else receiving an unusually high number of friend requests from ladies on Facebook? Within the past week, I've received numerous requests every day. They appear to be legitimate ladies with a history of posts and numerous photos. Usually, I may get one request a week and most are from people who just created a Facebook profile.[/QUOTE]Not currently I'm not getting more friend requests than usual but in the past I have and usually if they have mutual friends in common with Me I will check them out and accept them. I've fucked a few even that have sent me request instead of me sending them request. It turns out just as they pop up under "people you may know" our profiles pop up to them too and if they are looking for new clientes and see your picture sometimes they'll send you a request. Facebook algorithms really help us to get laid LOL, it's a beautiful thing.

Poblado girls can carry on charging what they charge and they will be able to do it in Poblado. They will have three hours less per night to do it but people are adaptable.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2905601]If they were to all go flood Centro then that would mean there would be more supply in El Centro as the girls from El Poblado return to work the Botero area. More Supply would mean lower prices. And if they are out there asking the same 250 mil or more then they wouldn't get any customers because the girls to the left and right of them will still be taking 40 mil or 50 mil. Also there are not as many foreigner mongers in Botero I'd say 95% of the clients are locals and only 5% are foreign and the locals aren't going to be paying 250 mil.

This should result in lower prices and more girls in El Centro.

The only way the Poblado girls will be able to continue to charge their bullshit prices will be if they go to seeking or other online venues or maybe in some of the clubs or Casas and that is if they can even get in. They may just end up going to some other city.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2905719]As for girls in Poblado going to El Centro, that is not going to happen for most of these girls. They have established their market price and they aren't going to accept 40-50 mil. Not happening. They will find another way to find their customers for the same price. [/QUOTE]The market they were operating is changing and 50-100 mil is better than 0 mil. It's not relevant how much they ask or have been getting, what's relevant how much they can get now.

They would be well advised to start wearing those plastic COVID face guards to protect against spit of centro mongers laughing in their faces hearing 250 mil quotes.

Most of these girls would be probably bitching / unhappy / reminiscing about good'ol poblado days and how she used to fuck for much more and how the john should be grateful for her charging 50-100 mil now etc, so thanks but not thanks from me anyway in most cases, at least not until they adjust their head and service to the new reality. But still, most of them are too spoiled at this point probably.

Well, will see, interesting development in any case. As others have said, street, online, strip clubs, and casa rosters might improve. Even the centro hos service and roster should improve as well, since they won't be able to fall back on poblado now.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2905725]Yes. Because this is about foreigners, not locals. The high concentration of foreigners is in Poblado. You can count the number of foreigners downtown on one hand.[/QUOTE]Hear that guys? We have been informed by Mr. Know-it-all that there are only 5 or less gringos in the Centro area. Good to know. Thanks so much.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2905715]So this guy who is now being pursued under international pressure is the latest poster boy for the red line of punter behavior. The Mayor had to take action after his political enemies began to use the public outrage against him. He will be another Colombia Jake. His life is ruined now that he has been doxxed in the international press.[/QUOTE]I don't think he is in Colombia. I read that the police released him and he immediately left the country. Of course, if they put him on Interpol, the places he can escape to are limited. My bet is that the Colombian authorities will not pursue him.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2905799]I don't think he is in Colombia. I read that the police released him and he immediately left the country. Of course, if they put him on Interpol, the places he can escape to are limited. My bet is that the Colombian authorities will not pursue him.[/QUOTE]The real question is why did they release him and allow him to leave Colombia if they had in fact found him in his hotel room with two 12 and 13 year old girls?

[QUOTE=Hobo3;2905678]This is wrong and you don't know the half of it. I can't take it you guys aren't being honest. I know a police officer in Medellin and he says they don't even report 1/20th of all the pedos getting caught. They are even setting up sting-like operations for people who use facebook now. The spot has been blown up. But guess what, passport bros will barely cancel any trip because they and all their 62-year-old white guy twice-divorced counterparts think they KNOW how to move better than everybody else. Idiots reading this post right now are thinking "awesome people are leaving so I'll be the only guy in a sea of women". It brings the "It will never happen to ME, I'll be extra careful" attitude until you find yourself talking to 3 police officers in your overpriced AirBnb with a girl who told you she was 18 but only to find out she just turned 17 and you are going to jail and your name is being published all over the news in the US. Life over! And who wants live in a city where you're always on edge because of the robberies or 20 something might put some thing in your drink while you're not looking. That stress is not worth it.

This place is bad right now, foreigners get robbed and drugged every day some having their entire life-savings wiped, and prices will go UP not down because Paisa culture is greedy! They don't think about getting more clients with less expensive rates, they are too selfish and dumb for that. They will raise prices to compensate. I've lived here for 7 years and I have never seen locals so furious. They are reporting gringos to the police now left and right. In my building, they've called the police on visitors 3 times in the last month. Locals are having neighborhood meetings about gringos, pedos and gentrification. And all of this happened because YouTubers convinced the whole world that Medellin is the only city in the world with beautiful women and good prices. I plan on traveling to a few of my other favorite cities OUTSIDE of Colombia (I'm not going to say where because you clowns will blow up the spot) where I can monger in peace and I'm moving out of the city by July. It is just too much, drugging, killings, and now the Mayor hiring an ENTIRE task force to catch gringos. No way man. The writing is on the wall. If you don't believe me search "gringo go home", "Green go" on any social media website.[/QUOTE]This is not to bring down tourism. It's more about catching pedophiles. I see so many guys who are posting about 18-19 year olds and meanwhile they're prob in their 50's and 60's. Girls are using their friends seeédulas and fake ids.

The Colombian government knows their rep is taking a hit with the druggings so they're trying to throw it back in the faces of other countries saying you're sending working girl mongers and pedos here so we're going to crack down and arrest those gringos just to justify some of the stuff that's going on.

Update #3 on the situation in Poblado and more information on the American who was caught with the two underage girls in his hotel room at the Gotham Hotel.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/live/QgcvcfUKTfg?si=P6ZxSaTveU-M2SdH[/URL]

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[QUOTE=MoonShot;2905719]The girls will find a way. Enforcement by the police? Some discrete bribes by the nightclubs will take care of the matter. Girls will still be available. They are not going to arrest the girls and prostitution is not illegal so I think the girls will still be hanging around. More likely more of the girls will go online. So for guys who search for girls online, nothing really changes and there will be more girls available. As for girls in Poblado going to El Centro, that is not going to happen for most of these girls. They have established their market price and they aren't going to accept 40-50 mil. Not happening. They will find another way to find their customers for the same price. That is the beauty of seeing online girls. None of these changes affects anything.[/QUOTE]I Agree, this environment has the potential to create a new place, not lleras or Centro. Perhaps like a Superclub like Help was in Rio in the 90's and 2000's. I think Farenheight was like that in itagui but never on a grande scale. Someone is going to want to make money and you aren't going to stop people selling P on a dime.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2905767]The market they were operating is changing and 50-100 mil is better than 0 mil. It's not relevant how much they ask or have been getting, what's relevant how much they can get now.

They would be well advised to start wearing those plastic COVID face guards to protect against spit of centro mongers laughing in their faces hearing 250 mil quotes.

Most of these girls would be probably bitching / unhappy / reminiscing about good'ol poblado days and how she used to fuck for much more and how the john should be grateful for her charging 50-100 mil now etc, so thanks but not thanks from me anyway in most cases, at least not until they adjust their head and service to the new reality. But still, most of them are too spoiled at this point probably.

Well, will see, interesting development in any case. As others have said, street, online, strip clubs, and casa rosters might improve. Even the centro hos service and roster should improve as well, since they won't be able to fall back on poblado now.[/QUOTE]I'm certainly not an expert on the park. But from what I could see. A ton of those girls were not getting action. I was there for a few hours and saw the same girls making laps. There were so many more girls than guys.

I left around 12:30 am though. But it seemed to me that a lot of them were not making a lot of money. But I guess if you get 2 x guys per week that way it's still good money. But it seemed like the girls in Tantra in Bogota getting 10+ guys per day would be making more money. But. Also fucking 10+ guys per day. Which is a trade off.

I don't really have a point. But it seemed like the girls were way over priced and there were so many more guys and there was no way a lot of those girls were getting regular clients. Plus. They are not making money when they are walking around for 3+ hours.

Escort economics. I am sure one of you has a PhD.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2905859]I Agree, this environment has the potential to create a new place, not lleras or Centro. Perhaps like a Superclub like Help was in Rio in the 90's and 2000's. I think Farenheight was like that in itagui but never on a grande scale. Someone is going to want to make money and you aren't going to stop people selling P on a dime.[/QUOTE]Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't something similar happen recently in Cartagena where the mayor there prohibited sex work in the area around the clock tower and all the chicas just had to move outside of the area where sex work was prohibited?

So most likely they will just move further down Calle 10 until they are outside of the area that Fico has designated around Lleras and parque el poblado. They will most likely just move further to the east or west or maybe back to that mayorista area of Itagui that was being discussed a cpl weeks ago.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2905827]This is not to bring down tourism. It's more about catching pedophiles. I see so many guys who are posting about 18-19 year olds and meanwhile they're prob in their 50's and 60's. Girls are using their friends seedulas and fake ids.

The Colombian government knows their rep is taking a hit with the druggings so they're trying to throw it back in the faces of other countries saying you're sending working girl mongers and pedos here so we're going to crack down and arrest those gringos just to justify some of the stuff that's going on.[/QUOTE]Weird justification. I'm sure a very SIGNIFICANT amount of tourism income are said gringos and sex tourists xD.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2905772]Hear that guys? We have been informed by Mr. Know-it-all that there are only 5 or less gringos in the Centro area. Good to know. Thanks so much.[/QUOTE]I think there is truth in that statement. You have tp be pretty hardcore to be hanging out in El Centro. It's scary at night too.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2905623]Is anyone else receiving an unusually high number of friend requests from ladies on Facebook? Within the past week, I've received numerous requests every day. They appear to be legitimate ladies with a history of posts and numerous photos. Usually, I may get one request a week and most are from people who just created a Facebook profile.[/QUOTE]I went through a stretch like that a few years ago, getting 10-20 friend requests per day. Eventually it returned to normal.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2905893]I think there is truth in that statement. You have tp be pretty hardcore to be hanging out in El Centro. It's scary at night too.[/QUOTE]There are at least 50 foreigners nearly every day in Centro (not so much Sunday). Look at the Youtube videos. There is a regular bench that several "rats" sit at least 3-4 times every week starting around 3:00 when the sun is not on them. There is 5 guys right there on that one bench. I was there during the covid lockdown and there were 4 of us foreigners in one hotel near the church at Centro when there were very few tourists what so ever. True, do not walk Centro after 8:30-9:00 pm.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2905812]The real question is why did they release him and allow him to leave Colombia if they had in fact found him in his hotel room with two 12 and 13 year old girls?[/QUOTE]You can only go by the details reported by the local media and public officials. I mean who really knows what the actually details are depending on whether you trust media here. Judging on how they treat deceased or scolpomined gringos, It doesn't seem like any mongers are held in a favorable light like, as if we're expendable. I doubt they have due process here like they do in other first world countries. What if someone's FB arrangements start out looking 30 or more and something total different shows up like a girl a day shy of her 18th birthday. Are you even going to get a chance to say a word while theyslap cuffs on you or are they going to make an example out you regardless of the circumstances. I mean if he's guilty hopefully he gets everything he deserves. Hopefully they don't put us all in the same pot at least for political reasons.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2905861]I'm certainly not an expert on the park. But from what I could see. A ton of those girls were not getting action. I was there for a few hours and saw the same girls making laps. There were so many more girls than guys.

I left around 12:30 am though. But it seemed to me that a lot of them were not making a lot of money. But I guess if you get 2 x guys per week that way it's still good money. But it seemed like the girls in Tantra in Bogota getting 10+ guys per day would be making more money. But. Also fucking 10+ guys per day. Which is a trade off.

I don't really have a point. But it seemed like the girls were way over priced and there were so many more guys and there was no way a lot of those girls were getting regular clients. Plus. They are not making money when they are walking around for 3+ hours.

Escort economics. I am sure one of you has a PhD.[/QUOTE]Perhaps this might result in more Colombian girls working in Costa Rica, Panama, St Maarten etc where rates there are higher and are generally safer too than in Colombia.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2905767]The market they were operating is changing and 50-100 mil is better than 0 mil. It's not relevant how much they ask or have been getting, what's relevant how much they can get now.

They would be well advised to start wearing those plastic COVID face guards to protect against spit of centro mongers laughing in their faces hearing 250 mil quotes.

Most of these girls would be probably bitching / unhappy / reminiscing about good'ol poblado days and how she used to fuck for much more and how the john should be grateful for her charging 50-100 mil now etc, so thanks but not thanks from me anyway in most cases, at least not until they adjust their head and service to the new reality. But still, most of them are too spoiled at this point probably.

Well, will see, interesting development in any case. As others have said, street, online, strip clubs, and casa rosters might improve. Even the centro hos service and roster should improve as well, since they won't be able to fall back on poblado now.[/QUOTE]While there is some overlap, most of the girls in Poblado are not working in El Centro and will never work in El Centro for 50 mil. They are smart enough to understand the market in El Centro and would not ask for 250 mil in El Centro. But they will look for different ways to attract the same clients and will find them. Or as someone said, they will travel overseas to Costa Rica, Mexico or if they can, United States or Europe. They know their worth to foreigners and foreigners are willing to pay them more than El Centro girls if they are the type of girls that foreigners want. I rarely see the type of girls that I like in El Centro.

For example, lets say you are a plumber and you normally charge $150 and you think you are a good plumber. Business is slow and then a guy calls you up and says I will pay you $10 to fix my pipes. Now, you may say, $10 is better than nothing but I can assure you that the plumber would rather pass on the job than take an amount that he thinks is insulting due to pride and his thoughts on the value of what he offers. Most high end girls in Poblado will think the same way. If they are normally charging $50 or more, they aren't going to take $10.

But for now, actually, if you read some personal reports elsewhere, things haven't changed that much and the girls still hang around in Poblado.

Authorities believe he is in hiding in the United States. As you stated, he left Colombia and his last known whereabouts is the United States. At 36 years old, if he doesn't try to leave the US and he has enough resources to get by for a couple of years he should be able to work his way into gigs that don't require stringent background checks. His prospects are clearly much worse than they were before this incident.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2905799]I don't think he is in Colombia. I read that the police released him and he immediately left the country. Of course, if they put him on Interpol, the places he can escape to are limited. My bet is that the Colombian authorities will not pursue him.[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure it is not illegal to be in a hotel room or anywhere else with people of that age. So, assuming he was not caught red handed and assuming the girls did not lodge a complaint, Colombia could conceivably have been on the wrong side of a habeas corpus claim if they locked him up. I've seen conflicting reports about whether he was detained. I haven't yet seen information about the basis of reported arrest warrants. The local media are characteristically over the top when a foreigner is implicated in any major crime. I think a good way to understand the reporting is to compare to transportation deaths. Child abuse committed by Colombians would be the equivalent of automobile accident deaths, something that happens several time a day every day. By comparison foreigner involvement in that sort of crime would be the equivalent of airplane crash deaths. Think of how airplane crash deaths are reported versus automobile accident deaths are reported. One is a very rare event and the other is so frequent it doesn't make the news unless there is an extraordinary angle, like the Colombian who was almost lynched in Medellin this week over rumors he abused his very young stepdaughter.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2905812]The real question is why did they release him and allow him to leave Colombia if they had in fact found him in his hotel room with two 12 and 13 year old girls?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2905936]There are at least 50 foreigners nearly every day in Centro (not so much Sunday). Look at the Youtube videos. There is a regular bench that several "rats" sit at least 3-4 times every week starting around 3:00 when the sun is not on them. There is 5 guys right there on that one bench. I was there during the covid lockdown and there were 4 of us foreigners in one hotel near the church at Centro when there were very few tourists what so ever. True, do not walk Centro after 8:30-9:00 pm.[/QUOTE]50 might be a bit much. Depending on the time of day will make a difference too. When I go to Centro I usually go earlier in day like 11 am - 2 pm and there definitely would not be 50 gringos around the Botero / Veracruz / Cra53 area at that time of day. Maybe later in the afternoon and evening there are more but 50 is a bit much I would say from my observation that there are about 20-25 gringos mongering in the area in comparison to hundreds of locals out and about.

I know about 2 pm onward until about 7 pm there are more chicas out and around 5 pm there will often be so many people trying to use hotel Botero real that there will literally be a line and you have to wait a while to get a room, I hate that and try to avoid that so that's one of the reasons I like to go earlier in the day.

I agree that Sundays are slow and there are less chicas as well as less gringos and less local mongers basically less people in general and many of the cheap restaurants are closed on Sundays but I have gone on Sundays and found some gems that I hadn't spotted on weekdays so you never know even the slow day may be a good day.

Gabacho.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2905977]If they are normally charging $50 or more, they aren't going to take $10.[/QUOTE]That wouldn't be the same job really, the general MO in centro is a covered rato for up to half hour or 1 pop (whichever comes first, some are done in like 10 minutes so quite an easy money), I assume they don't charge 250 mil for half hour of that in Poblado, so that's not really a like-for-like comparison. Theoretically with various extras she could get around 100 mil in Centro out of 1 client, which is getting close to half of Poblado rate and considering that apparently (so I hear) most of them don't find a client every day there is not such a dramatic income difference. Also a lot them can't (or don't want) just pick up and go abroad as if it's nothing, have family, life and friends here, costs of living are different as well.

Well, we can speculate, the time will tell, Poblado is big, rich tourist will still be staying there, so probably they'll just move outside of banned area and try intercept the clients en route to Provenza / Lleras.

Thinking about going to Medellin. How is the Parque lleras area now? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2906007]50 might be a bit much.[/QUOTE]I have stayed at Centro zero, across the street from Centro, and within 3 blocks of Centro. Last time there was for 6 months and left December 2023. I came and went twice a day on average for 2-3 hours per day. 50 foreigners most days. There are the rats that park on the bench at times for 5+ hours, guys that visit for 1-2 hours, and the guys that simply do a walk through a few times and leave who largely want to see what the fuss is about and give up hunting in less than one hour. Granted I estimate that 40% are the less than one hour variety so you will not see most of them. I notice because the time I spent there I could tell the regulars who many may think were locals. Many you may think are tourists are mongering but very lazily who do not know what they are doing and largely are the 2 week Poblado Warriors just sorta passing through.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2906075]Thinking about going to Medellin. How is the Parque lleras area now? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Have you not read about the mayor in the latest news and that has so many posts on the last 3 pages of this site? I think you should stay home.

Wow, Medellin is not looking good.

[URL]https://youtu.be/FykjYKokuKU?si=k03DehlaoXOpXhRV[/URL]

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2906075]Thinking about going to Medellin. How is the Parque lleras area now? Thanks.[/QUOTE]There's protests in Lleras now. All the pro clubs have signs from locals plastered on them.

Saw a video today of the protests in LLeras. One of those are locals kicking out regular tourists in Pergamino while having their coffee. If this doesn't tell you anything idk what does. Looks like it's the end of Medellin now for everyone. I really hope they are sticking to this until the end without regrets. Lots of people went unemployed and businesses shut down. Gentrification in full effect. I still love Medellin though. It just needed a long break. They will surely miss the tourists money from now on.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2906076]I have stayed at Centro zero, across the street from Centro, and within 3 blocks of Centro. Last time there was for 6 months and left December 2023. I came and went twice a day on average for 2-3 hours per day. 50 foreigners most days. There are the rats that park on the bench at times for 5+ hours, guys that visit for 1-2 hours, and the guys that simply do a walk through a few times and leave who largely want to see what the fuss is about and give up hunting in less than one hour. Granted I estimate that 40% are the less than one hour variety so you will not see most of them. I notice because the time I spent there I could tell the regulars who many may think were locals. Many you may think are tourists are mongering but very lazily who do not know what they are doing and largely are the 2 week Poblado Warriors just sorta passing through.[/QUOTE]Then you must have seen me before. The bald headed guy with goatee always sporting Alaska hoodies even if it was warm out. Always fucking and getting out quick then coming back after eating lunch and fucking again LOL. Good times. Love that shit.

I've only been gone since the 25th but I already miss my beloved Colombia.

Calm down man, you are going to give yourself a heart attack. The merchants are protesting because their earning power is being clipped for six months and they were offered no compensation. My guess is the mayor will negotiate and pull back some of the restrictions. If you aren't comfortable you should stay away and let everyone else decide for themselves. There is no need to stress over this.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2906107]Saw a video today of the protests in LLeras. One of those are locals kicking out regular tourists in Pergamino while having their coffee. If this doesn't tell you anything idk what does. Looks like it's the end of Medellin now for everyone. I really hope they are sticking to this until the end without regrets. Lots of people went unemployed and businesses shut down. Gentrification in full effect. I still love Medellin though. It just needed a long break. They will surely miss the tourists money from now on.[/QUOTE]

What do the signs say, "welcome to Medellin"?

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2906093]There's protests in Lleras now. All the pro clubs have signs from locals plastered on them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2905977]For example, lets say you are a plumber and you normally charge $150 and you think you are a good plumber. Business is slow and then a guy calls you up and says I will pay you $10 to fix my pipes. Now, you may say, $10 is better than nothing but I can assure you that the plumber would rather pass on the job than take an amount that he thinks is insulting due to pride and his thoughts on the value of what he offers. Most high end girls in Poblado will think the same way. If they are normally charging $50 or more, they aren't going to take $10.[/QUOTE]A plumber has sunk costs and overhead and it is likely to cost him over $10 to even get to the job. All a chick with a pussy has to do is show up. Most of the time they even make you pay to get them there and back home. So the plumber has to subtract the cost of doing business from the $10 (which could easily be more than the $10 payment), while to the hooker the $10 is pure profit.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2905619]There was this dude on here InsolentSpike that was trying to hook me up with one of his chicas named Alejandra who was a 50 mil Centro girl and she was trying to say she charged 250 mil and only worked in Poblado (needless to say I told the bi*ch to kick rocks)..[/QUOTE]Sorry about that bro. She asked me if I had friends and I told her I did. Didn't know she would pull that shit.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2906128]Sorry about that bro. She asked me if I had friends and I told her I did. Didn't know she would pull that shit.[/QUOTE]No problem bro. Sorry I blocked you last year.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2906120]Calm down man, you are going to give yourself a heart attack. The merchants are protesting because their earning power is being clipped for six months and they were offered no compensation. My guess is the mayor will negotiate and pull back some of the restrictions. If you aren't comfortable you should stay away and let everyone else decide for themselves. There is no need to stress over this.[/QUOTE]I could be wrong. But they have been trying to clean up Lleras for years now. Especially the prostitution. It seemed like they're just harassing tourists because they don't want gringos there since gringos are the reason the locals price of living has inflated.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2906128]Sorry about that bro. She asked me if I had friends and I told her I did. Didn't know she would pull that shit.[/QUOTE]This type of thing is common. Have a girl who never charges me, no rush, is happy to bring another girl, no charge and will stay all night if I want. She's a sometimes working girl, but always has other ventures to make money. No, she's not my girlfriend. I'll help her out from time to time, usually small amounts, 200 mil or less.

I've offered her number to a few friends, but each time she wants to charge 300 k or more and has all kinds of rules.

I booked my ticket to Medellin, April 10th to April 15th.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2906126]A plumber has sunk costs and overhead and it is likely to cost him over $10 to even get to the job. All a chick with a pussy has to do is show up. Most of the time they even make you pay to get them there and back home. So the plumber has to subtract the cost of doing business from the $10 (which could easily be more than the $10 payment), while to the hooker the $10 is pure profit.[/QUOTE]I agree. But. I have also learned that hooker math does not always make sense. Sometimes it works in my favor. Other times it does not.

I agree with everything you said about Lleras and the cleanup efforts. The video in question however has been widely misrepresented. What really happened had nothing to do with the tourists. The protesting merchants were gesturing to the shop owners to shut their doors and join the protest March. Pergamino is not of course independently owned so it wasn't a choice the employees at the location could make.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2906146]I could be wrong. But they have been trying to clean up Lleras for years now. Especially the prostitution. It seemed like they're just harassing tourists because they don't want gringos there since gringos are the reason the locals price of living has inflated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2906146]I could be wrong. But they have been trying to clean up Lleras for years now. Especially the prostitution. It seemed like they're just harassing tourists because they don't want gringos there since gringos are the reason the locals price of living has inflated.[/QUOTE]Wonder how the Lleras cleanup will impact casas like New Life and Energy plus clubs like La Isla and Loutron in terms of availability and rates. Any guesses?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2906222]Wonder how the Lleras cleanup will impact casas like New Life and Energy plus clubs like La Isla and Loutron in terms of availability and rates. Any guesses?[/QUOTE]I have been guilty of this too but we should focus on what is actually going on as opposed what I think may happen. What you think may happen is just mindless chit chat. What is actually happening is useful information. Instead of speculating, we just see what is happening in the next few weeks and some can report on the reality of the situation. I wouldn't panic over what may happen and just watch what is happening.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2906146]I could be wrong. But they have been trying to clean up Lleras for years now. Especially the prostitution. It seemed like they're just harassing tourists because they don't want gringos there since gringos are the reason the locals price of living has inflated.[/QUOTE]Gringos have nothing to do with locals cost of living. They are a drop in the bucket as far as the economy. Total tourism is not even much of a factor, and gringos are only a part of that.

The populace are upset with the sex tourism industry in a big way. And the politicians are listening. And acting. So the public sees male tourists to Colombia as depraved predators and politicians are doing something about it. A 6 month emergency order making prostitution illegal in certain areas is their response.

But there are others, especially in the affected areas, who see their businesses being destroyed if the tourists (non mongers as well as mongers) are chased away. Hence the protest by businesses. While this law does not target tourists at all really, it is in response to the perceptions around sex tourism, and so don't expect to be popular.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2906157]I booked my ticket to Medellin, April 10th to April 15th.[/QUOTE]You should be fine if you keep it on the low. Stick to casas, online or strip clubs.

One of the YouTuber Flyboy went live last night to give update on lleras and it seems like some or most businesses are back open again. Some girls are hanging around in Calle 10. Gusto's is back on business.

Timestamp: 1:57:36.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/live/WaREdzpHVKk?si=pKVIjKivf7zj1mj1[/URL]

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2906107] locals kicking out regular tourists in Pergamino[/QUOTE]Video: [URL]https://www.tiktok.com/@la_verdad_medellin/video/7353825957767171334[/URL]

Strange times.

Full disclosure, I did not watch the youtube video mentioned. I actively avoid that sort of content because I find it neither informative nor entertaining. History shows online promotion helps no one other than the content creator using people's images to earn money based on clicks they are able to attract. It's one of several reasons I avoid places where they congregate. I am already spending more time than I want talking about this stuff with everyone who knows I live in Colombia. The last thing any of us needs is to have to explain why you appear in a video (background or foreground) with some guy talking about what goes on in Parque Lleras. ChinoSexo, I agree that it's a good idea to keep a low profile. I don't think it should take global media attention to remind us of that.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2906247]You should be fine if you keep it on the low. Stick to casas, online or strip clubs.

One of the YouTuber Flyboy went live last night to give update on lleras and it seems like some or most businesses are back open again. Some girls are hanging around in Calle 10. Gusto's is back on business.

Timestamp: 1:57:36.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/live/WaREdzpHVKk?si=pKVIjKivf7zj1mj1[/URL][/QUOTE]

No one was kicking anyone out of the coffee shop. Protesting merchants were imploring the Pergamino store to shut its doors and join the protest.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2906250]Video: [URL]https://www.tiktok.com/@la_verdad_medellin/video/7353825957767171334[/URL]

Strange times.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2906260]Full disclosure, I did not watch the youtube video mentioned. I actively avoid that sort of content because I find it neither informative nor entertaining. History shows online promotion helps no one other than the content creator using people's images to earn money based on clicks they are able to attract. It's one of several reasons I avoid places where they congregate. I am already spending more time than I want talking about this stuff with everyone who knows I live in Colombia. The last thing any of us needs is to have to explain why you appear in a video (background or foreground) with some guy talking about what goes on in Parque Lleras. ChinoSexo, I agree that it's a good idea to keep a low profile. I don't think it should take global media attention to remind us of that.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%. The youtube creep cams and youtubers in general have contributed to the demise of places like Sosua, Medellin and Cartagena.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2906247]You should be fine if you keep it on the low. Stick to casas, online or strip clubs.

One of the YouTuber Flyboy went live last night to give update on lleras and it seems like some or most businesses are back open again. Some girls are hanging around in Calle 10. Gusto's is back on business.

Timestamp: 1:57:36.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/live/WaREdzpHVKk?si=pKVIjKivf7zj1mj1[/URL][/QUOTE]Yeah, I saw his video.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2905993]Child abuse committed by Colombians would be the equivalent of automobile accident deaths, something that happens several time a day every day.[/QUOTE]It's still child abuse! Sad and perhaps true. I have heard and seen photos of 14 - 16 year olds doing that. Not knowing what I could do with the info. I asked not to be even shown the photos. Excuses about legality for marriage at 13. WTF? An inexcusable subject.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2906136]No problem bro. Sorry I blocked you last year.[/QUOTE]No worries bro. I owe a lot of my success at Botero to you.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2906153]I've offered her number to a few friends, but each time she wants to charge 300 k or more and has all kinds of rules.[/QUOTE]Yeah man I felt terrible about that. She treated me well and tried to fuck over my buddy.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2906247]You should be fine if you keep it on the low. Stick to casas, online or strip clubs.

One of the YouTuber Flyboy went live last night to give update on lleras and it seems like some or most businesses are back open again. Some girls are hanging around in Calle 10. Gusto's is back on business.

Timestamp: 1:57:36.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/live/WaREdzpHVKk?si=pKVIjKivf7zj1mj1[/URL][/QUOTE]I know this is very unpopular opinion but I really enjoy gustos. I love the club atmosphere of picking up chicas.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2906157]I booked my ticket to Medellin, April 10th to April 15th.[/QUOTE]Cancel this trip & go to Bogota if ya want to have fun.

[QUOTE=GeorgeCarta22;2906360]I know this is very unpopular opinion but I really enjoy gustos. I love the club atmosphere of picking up chicas.[/QUOTE]Even up until 2019 it was an awesome spot. Prices at the time were 550 mil for the large booth with a one bottle min included in the price.

Many non pros or part time pros. Packed on weekends but not wall to wall packed. I met a lawyer an artist a student and ironically one of the bang bros girls from Colombia there. Her name was Samantha Lopez.

Then my last two trips during the pandemic I saw it flooded with Facebook bello girls and fat vennies. The vibe completely changed. The booth was now 1. 5 mil min. The girls were obvious pros. And this is with all the passport bro movement. Then other clubs got popping too. Glow and Lleras park never had any business. But with the passport bro movement Lleras for me was a no go zone. The girls were not high end looking and trying to charge 2-300 usd when they're only worth 200 mil at best and some would have to pay me to fuck them.

So when I complain about the good old days being gone it's that part. Fb and bello hoodrats have flooded every avenue of where tourists go. Lleras La 70 Laureles and recently they're even going to places like La Chula Dubai and Bora Bora clubs looking for clients. It's just annoying. I went to to Dubai disco with my GF last year and I saw 3 popular fb girls there playing like they're all innocent lmao.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2906157]I booked my ticket to Medellin, April 10th to April 15th.[/QUOTE]Go to Venezuela instead.

[QUOTE=EnterTheV;2906404]Go to Venezuela instead.[/QUOTE]Too late. Maybe next time.

What is going rate for 1 hour of fun with chica?

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2906159]I agree. But. I have also learned that hooker math does not always make sense. Sometimes it works in my favor. Other times it does not.[/QUOTE]Hooker math fails to factor-in supply and demand.

[QUOTE=Shamester;2906465]Hooker math fails to factor-in supply and demand.[/QUOTE]Many of them, and also many business people in Colombia and Costa Rica, use an inverted theory of supply and demand. If supply stays the same and demand falls, then they have to charge more to make up for the loss of demand.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2906515]Many of them, and also many business people in Colombia and Costa Rica, use an inverted theory of supply and demand. If supply stays the same and demand falls, then they have to charge more to make up for the loss of demand.[/QUOTE]Apparently that's what most Colombian girls do in Jaco Costa Rica. When it's close to the end of the night and they still outnumber the guys there 10 to 1, they still refuse to accept lower rates knowing darn well that they will end up with zero business. This is when their self prides defeat them making them think that their pussies are made of gold.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2906645]Look up the story of this guy named Eyvin Hernndez to see what happens to guys who go to Venezuela illegally.[/QUOTE]He claims he was pulled in against his will from the colombian side. But honestly, do you think the outcome would have been any different if he had the proper visa when he had arrived? You're talking about a corrupt authoritarian government that does not respect the rule of law. They will most likely wrongfully detain more Americans so they can trade them for the release of more criminals especially now that Biden is open to prisoner swapping.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2906458]What is going rate for 1 hour of fun with chica?[/QUOTE]It is like asking what is the price of a working girl in your city? The answer is, of course, it depends on the type of girl. There is no one going rate. There are casa girls, El Centro street girls, online escort website girls, Facebook girls, Seeking girls, Park Lleras nightclub girls, El Centro strip club girls, Poblado street girls and so on. And then with each category, each girl is different. There are older girls, younger girls, very attractive girls, average looking girls, chubby girls, and slim petite girls, for example. Girls who are young and look like models will ask for a different price than older average looking chubby girls in each category. Girls are not like a product you buy in the store because every girl is different.

The forum has a lot of posts about the general cost of each category of girls but it is just a ballpark number.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2906222]Wonder how the Lleras cleanup will impact casas like New Life and Energy plus clubs like La Isla and Loutron in terms of availability and rates. Any guesses?[/QUOTE]There is no "cleanup". I am in El Poblado and have been in Parque Lleras the last two nights, packed with girls. There are more cops and all bars and restaurants have to close at 1:00 but are opening earlier, that's it.

[QUOTE=GeorgeCarta22;2906360]I know this is very unpopular opinion but I really enjoy gustos. I love the club atmosphere of picking up chicas.[/QUOTE]I like clubs, but getting older and try to avoid clip joints, Ill try to give a good report in a few weeks, first time back since 2018, appreciate all the shared info.

[QUOTE=MoneyShot;2906725]I like clubs, but getting older and try to avoid clip joints, Ill try to give a good report in a few weeks, first time back since 2018, appreciate all the shared info.[/QUOTE]Me as well as I would much rather be in a less noisy atmosphere to meet the ladies. This is why I'll try to stick to daytime casas and at night pull from the bar at Hotel M (Mansion) avoiding the strip clubs and discos.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2906458]What is going rate for 1 hour of fun with chica?[/QUOTE]Read past posts. Lazy.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;2906666]There is no "cleanup". I am in El Poblado and have been in Parque Lleras the last two nights, packed with girls. There are more cops and all bars and restaurants have to close at 1:00 but are opening earlier, that's it.[/QUOTE]The same guy that posted the video about the closing if Parque Lleras posted another video 2 days laters saying it was back open. I am not posting a link because I do not think these YouTubers tha mention anything related to mongering are good for the scene at all. They bring to much attention.

There are some Youtubers that have posted really good vieos of neighborhoods in Medellin as well as Bogota and Cartagena. One that I think is the best because they do more showing and not talking is Explorando. They have done. No talking or jumping on camera just video tours that show the lay of the land. I think this Youtuber might even be deaf and unable to talk. Once they posted a video of theor tour of El Centro in Medellin and ran text across talking about how they were watching a fight go down and a group of people squeezed up on them and stole their camera and backback and they were unable to yell out becuase of a handicap. So no annoying talking in their videos and the quality is excellent. The channel has videos of our favorite neighborhoods in Medellin like El Centro and El Poblado as well as Neighborhoods in Cartagena like the clock tower and Santa Fe in Bogota.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/@Explorando1[/URL]

I read that the 1 am Closure and other enforcement are for six months. It feels like the mayor did it to do something and is waiting for the public outrage to die down.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2906929]The same guy that posted the video about the closing if Parque Lleras posted another video 2 days laters saying it was back open. I am not posting a link because I do not think these YouTubers tha mention anything related to mongering are good for the scene at all. They bring to much attention.

There are some Youtubers that have posted really good vieos of neighborhoods in Medellin as well as Bogota and Cartagena. One that I think is the best because they do more showing and not talking is Explorando. They have done. No talking or jumping on camera just video tours that show the lay of the land. I think this Youtuber might even be deaf and unable to talk. Once they posted a video of theor tour of El Centro in Medellin and ran text across talking about how they were watching a fight go down and a group of people squeezed up on them and stole their camera and backback and they were unable to yell out becuase of a handicap. So no annoying talking in their videos and the quality is excellent. The channel has videos of our favorite neighborhoods in Medellin like El Centro and El Poblado as well as Neighborhoods in Cartagena like the clock tower and Santa Fe in Bogota.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/@Explorando1[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2906651]It is like asking what is the price of a working girl in your city? The answer is, of course, it depends on the type of girl. There is no one going rate. [/QUOTE]Most of you guys are really Cheap Charlies. The biggest factor on what price a woman quotes is YOU!

First of all, when you try to under bid what they say they think you do not have much money! And no Money means No Fun!

Secondly, have you looked in the mirror recently? The women give a high price when they really do not want to be with you!

Third, they are probably holding out for some decent, friendly guy like me, who wants to chat them up a little! Not just like buying a used car! Some of you rude guys are at a Meat Market and trying to negotiate everything. The women get turned off. They want some slow, smooth talker like me. Buy them a drink, find out where they are from, before you tell them you want to slam them every which way with your Dick!

Fourth, put yourself in their place. You are some smelly ass foreignor, going to be gone tomorrow, no chance to repeat, so they are getting all they can with one shot!

Finally, most of you old farts with no teeth, never shaved in a week, think you are special attitude. You think they girls really want your limp dicks when they can have 12 inches of Grade AAA cock? You small dicked men probably would have to stick it in 3 times to give them 12 inches of cock, and they are not impressed!

So remember, if you get a high price from the woman, its probably YOU. You are a loser, they are not interested, and shape up! Its not about your skill as a Negotiator, its about whether you take a bath! LOL.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;2906666]There is no "cleanup". I am in El Poblado and have been in Parque Lleras the last two nights, packed with girls. There are more cops and all bars and restaurants have to close at 1:00 but are opening earlier, that's it.[/QUOTE]Thats good to hear.

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Back in town on the grind, all of my regulars were booked so I decided to try something new.

She was at that one hotel / apartment in Laurles near unicentro that all the prepagos work out of. Been this way over a decade.

Anyway, I see her early like 10:30 am so I'm first customer (she usually starts at 11).

I arrive and have to walk up a couple flights of stairs as the elevator never works here.

Open the door and I see a very light cinnamon white girl with autum colored hair. Her face is about 28,29, not bad but nothing ti write home about.

She has on rainbow multi color VS fishneting covering her whole body but sticking out are her hard little brown nipples. Her implants while big are very soft. She gives me a little peck and we go to the bedroom. The bedroom is bare with her little boom box in the corner. I give her the bread and she starts the music. She starts to dance for me. She obviously works as a stripper as she has all the moves. Lots more kissing just little pecks but my johnson is hard and I really just want to fuck.

I suck her tits a little and she gets me on the bed and gets me all disroped. Has some tats and also has those little holes where she got lipo on her stomach so she is pretty much all plastic minus her ass which is real and pretty plump. She goes to get her wet naps to wipe my coock off so she can suck it. Now here is the thing, I can tell how good the head is going to be just by how long they hold onto that wet nap. I swear to fuck, she is one of these squeegy blow job oral natural girls. Always fucking cleaning it off with the wet nap every 5 sucks. Like it feels good but to keep having to wipe sort of takes all the fun out of it. In the future I'm going to ask if they use the wet nap to wipe it the entire time or they just go straight suck mode after a once over.

After about 5 min of sucking she puts the rubber on and slides it into her tight little slit. She has a homer simpson innie pussy and it is fun to fuck those. She really likes riding on top and knows how to do it without you slipping out. We go to missionaire and do a little more kissing and she really loves it when I rub her clit. I do it more and want to pop. , I tell her I want her to just storke it, I ask if she does facials or boca, she says no but will let me pop on her tits. I do and because I was soo backed up I give her a huge 9 ropper. She is impressed and then we go to shower. I'm cool, I get dressed and leave.

She was ok but I don't think ill see her again. UMMV take care! And lets bring back some review please!!

Update from DC Rob about that dude caught at the hotel in El Poblado with the two underage girls and the Hotel shutting down indefinitely.

[URL]https://youtu.be/McIbmF6vQho?si=FsmxzaK-gIBgqN_z[/URL]

Follow Along.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2907168]Karen 180 K +50 K oral naturale.

After about 5 min of sucking she puts the rubber on and slides it into her tight little slit. She has a homer simpson innie pussy and it is fun to fuck those. She really likes riding on top and knows how to do it without you slipping out. We go to missionaire and do a little more kissing and she really loves it when I rub her clit. I do it more and want to pop. , I tell her I want her to just storke it, I ask if she does facials or boca, she says no but will let me pop on her tits. I do and because I was soo backed up I give her a huge 9 ropper. She is impressed and then we go to shower. I'm cool, I get dressed and leave.

She was ok but I don't think ill see her again. UMMV take care! And lets bring back some review please!![/QUOTE]Certainly very curvy & blonde but that wet-nap deal sounds terrible.

Medellin Scandal: Arrest Warrant for Livingston & Gotham Hotel Closure. In a shocking development, an arrest warrant has been issued against Timothy Alan Livingston, involved in the exploitation case at the Gotham hotel in El Poblado, Medellin. Authorities are pursuing Interpol's assistance with a blue notice. Meanwhile, Gotham Hotel has announced its voluntary and permanent closure due to the scandal, admitting failures in preventing minors' entry.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2907228]Certainly very curvy & blonde but that wet-nap deal sounds terrible.[/QUOTE]It happens more often then you realize, its mostly the ones that don't do CIM or CIF and they clean up pre-cum. It kills the vibe a bit.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2907270]Medellin Scandal: Arrest Warrant for Livingston & Gotham Hotel Closure. In a shocking development, an arrest warrant has been issued against Timothy Alan Livingston, involved in the exploitation case at the Gotham hotel in El Poblado, Medellin. Authorities are pursuing Interpol's assistance with a blue notice. Meanwhile, Gotham Hotel has announced its voluntary and permanent closure due to the scandal, admitting failures in preventing minors' entry.[/QUOTE]Blue Notice: To collect additional information about a person's identity, location or activities in relation to a criminal investigation.
Red Notice: To seek the location and arrest of persons wanted for prosecution or to serve a sentence.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2907161]Most of you guys are really Cheap Charlies. The biggest factor on what price a woman quotes is YOU!

First of all, when you try to under bid what they say they think you do not have much money! And no Money means No Fun!

Secondly, have you looked in the mirror recently? The women give a high price when they really do not want to be with you!

Third, they are probably holding out for some decent, friendly guy like me, who wants to chat them up a little! Not just like buying a used car! Some of you rude guys are at a Meat Market and trying to negotiate everything. The women get turned off. They want some slow, smooth talker like me. Buy them a drink, find out where they are from, before you tell them you want to slam them every which way with your Dick!

Fourth, put yourself in their place. You are some smelly ass foreignor, going to be gone tomorrow, no chance to repeat, so they are getting all they can with one shot!

Finally, most of you old farts with no teeth, never shaved in a week, think you are special attitude. You think they girls really want your limp dicks when they can have 12 inches of Grade AAA cock? You small dicked men probably would have to stick it in 3 times to give them 12 inches of cock, and they are not impressed!

So remember, if you get a high price from the woman, its probably YOU. You are a loser, they are not interested, and shape up! Its not about your skill as a Negotiator, its about whether you take a bath! LOL.[/QUOTE]This is how you can get real GFE, not fake monger GFE where just DFK and BBJ passes for a GFE experience. My girls can't wait for me to return and they give me long dates and overnights in my apartment with unlimited BBFS. What's the old saying, treat a hooker like a lady and a lady like a hooker?

Who or what is DC Rob?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2907175]Update from DC Rob about that dude caught at the hotel in El Poblado with the two underage girls and the Hotel shutting down indefinitely.

[URL]https://youtu.be/McIbmF6vQho?si=FsmxzaK-gIBgqN_z[/URL]

Follow Along.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2907412]Who or what is DC Rob?[/QUOTE]A YouTuber who covers news from Medellin and Colombia as a whole and translates the news from Minuto30, BluRadio, El Colombiano, etc into English for English speakers to stay informed about what's happening on the ground in Medellin and other parts of Colombia.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2907412]Who or what is DC Rob?[/QUOTE]Basically, he is a youtuber that talks about travel and don't think he's a monger or least he implies he's not one, but tends to cover Medellin fatalities and scolpomine incidents related mostly to mongering. Infact, that's all he seems cover. But its very informative about what's happening in Colombian, mainly medellin. Of course, I don't know if your being sarcastic, I figured you would know.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2907383]This is how you can get real GFE, not fake monger GFE where just DFK and BBJ passes for a GFE experience. My girls can't wait for me to return and they give me long dates and overnights in my apartment with unlimited BBFS. What's the old saying, treat a hooker like a lady and a lady like a hooker?[/QUOTE]Really women are the same everywhere. They equate being a beauty with wearing a ton of makeup. I stop dealing with women that will stain the fuck out of my sheets with makeup, that are online with pro, filtered photos in front of the Eiffel Tower. They are selfish lousy fucks that want to finesse you for whatever your good for paying. I stand by my lifelong decision to fuck a 10 body despite the face. Average girls that you fuck GOOD and LONG fall inline! They want that shit all the time. My crank gets about 10 x stronger knowing its about to be rewarded with sexy tits, tiny waist and a great ass- she could look like a pit bull, I don't care, just turn off the lights mofo!

Is now working with Colombian policia to prosecute pedophiles. HSI is the great white shark of LE in the US with vast resources and reach.

Guys with history of frequent travel to Colombia will be scrutinized and watched. In the news, couple guys arranged for sex with minors overseas. Their phone calls and emails were intercepted. HSI arrested them at the airport before departing. 20 to 30 years sentences.

[URL]https://www.financecolombia.com/two-us-citizens-arrested-for-the-sexual-exploitation-of-minors-in-colombia/[/URL]#google_vignette.

In late February, the Metropolitan Police of Valle de Aburrá arrested a 48-year-old USA Citizen referred to as "El Quimico" in the town of Bello, Antioquia, following an investigation named "Operation Arcángel" that was supported by the USA Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and led to the arrest of several other foreign nationals accused of similar crimes.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2907541]Is now working with Colombian policia to prosecute pedophiles. HSI is the great white shark of LE in the US with vast resources and reach.

Guys with history of frequent travel to Colombia will be scrutinized and watched. In the news, couple guys arranged for sex with minors overseas. Their phone calls and emails were intercepted. HSI arrested them at the airport before departing. 20 to 30 years sentences.

[URL]https://www.financecolombia.com/two-us-citizens-arrested-for-the-sexual-exploitation-of-minors-in-colombia/[/URL]#google_vignette.

In late February, the Metropolitan Police of Valle de Aburr arrested a 48-year-old USA Citizen referred to as "El Quimico" in the town of Bello, Antioquia, following an investigation named "Operation Arcngel" that was supported by the USA Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and led to the arrest of several other foreign nationals accused of similar crimes.[/QUOTE]A cleanup is long overdue. This will probably make it harder for regular tourists to get chica friendly Airbnbs but well worth it to chase away scum like these guys.

Guys who are doing this deserve all the punishment that comes their way. On the other hand, this seems like selective enforcement and deflection. The government wants to distract people to focus on foreigners. It's a very old playbook followed by regimes in ancient Rome, Nazi Germany, and more recently 2016 Washington DC. The motels in the suburbs of Medellin are full of Colombian guys like the one I posted about a few days ago. He got caught in the act with two pre-teens he picked up off the street in San Diego in a well known motel in La Estrella, the kind you drive into and shut the garage door behind you. They are purpose built for under the radar hijinks. The motel management called the police after the argument between him and the girls got so raucous it could not be ignored. I don't see even the least self aware sicko pedo from abroad being that extra. On a related note, the two girls involved in the Livingston affair in Provenza escaped from the adolescent care facility. They are getting little sympathy on Colombian social media. The Colombians know these girls, although very young, were not likely snatched from their parents' home while they were making tik tok dance videos.

[QUOTE=GuiGui123;2907560]A cleanup is long overdue. This will probably make it harder for regular tourists to get chica friendly Airbnbs but well worth it to chase away scum like these guys.[/QUOTE]

I don't watch videos about Medellin on youtube. I honestly had never heard of DC Rob until I began to see him cited here. I'm aware of that sort of content that promotes insider perspectives and danger tourism (I'll take you there so you don't have to go). I asked about DC Rob because I didn't know why he was being mentioned in the context of what happens in Medellin. Maybe it's natural to seek out vicarious experiences. I haven't owned a car in several years but I watch a lot of automotive content.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2907432]Basically, he is a youtuber that talks about travel and don't think he's a monger or least he implies he's not one, but tends to cover Medellin fatalities and scolpomine incidents related mostly to mongering. Infact, that's all he seems cover. But its very informative about what's happening in Colombian, mainly medellin. Of course, I don't know if your being sarcastic, I figured you would know.[/QUOTE]

He has to be adding more value than that. Anyone can translate that content with as few as two or three keystroke. As I write this I'm thinking that I might be wrong because I'm reminded of something that happened about 25 years ago in the Dominican Republic. I was sitting in a restaurant having breakfast when a TV show came on. It was a guy sitting behind a desk reading the front pages of the morning papers. The camera shot would show the newspaper headline while the guy read the front page and then switch to the newsreader until another newspaper would appear. I asked my tablemate to explain what I was seeing. She told me it was a very popular show because many people were illiterate or could not afford to buy newspapers. Newspapers were still a thing in those days. So maybe DC Rob is bringing something to his followers that they can't get on their own.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2907422]A YouTuber who covers news from Medellin and Colombia as a whole and translates the news from Minuto30, BluRadio, El Colombiano, etc into English for English speakers to stay informed about what's happening on the ground in Medellin and other parts of Colombia.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NakedGunz;2907446]Really women are the same everywhere. They equate being a beauty with wearing a ton of makeup. I stop dealing with women that will stain the fuck out of my sheets with makeup, that are online with pro, filtered photos in front of the Eiffel Tower. They are selfish lousy fucks that want to finesse you for whatever your good for paying. I stand by my lifelong decision to fuck a 10 body despite the face. Average girls that you fuck GOOD and LONG fall inline! They want that shit all the time. My crank gets about 10 x stronger knowing its about to be rewarded with sexy tits, tiny waist and a great ass- she could look like a pit bull, I don't care, just turn off the lights mofo![/QUOTE]If you look at much of the Latin American culture, especially Colombia, women go big on makeup as already mentioned and fashion. What is not big there in general is fitness and that along with a pretty heavy cuisine has led to early obesity in much of the population. That's why you see Latino women get big real fast. If you look at videos comparing Parque Lleras and Centro to the mongering areas of Thailand and Philippines, you will see a striking difference in body shape and weight levels. Yes some of it is genetic but diet plays a major role too.

Who is going to tell her she should change her fuck alias so she doesn't put off gringos?

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2907168]Karen 180 K +50 K oral naturale.

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Back in town on the grind, all of my regulars were booked so I decided to try something new.

She was at that one hotel / aparment in Laurles near unicentro that all the prepagos work out of. Been this way over a decade.

Anyway, I see her early like 10:30 am so I'm first customer (she usually starts at 11).

I arrive and have to walk up a couple flights of stairs as the elevator never works here.

Open the door and I see a very light cinnamon white girl with autum colored hair. Her face is about 28,29, not bad but nothing ti write home about.

She has on rainbow multi color VS fishneting covering her whole body but sticking out are her hard little brown nipples. Her implants while big are very soft. She gives me a little peck and we go to the bedroom. The bedroom is bare with her little boom box in the corner. I give her the bread and she starts the music. She starts to dance for me. She obviously works as a stripper as she has all the moves. Lots more kissing just little pecks but my johnson is hard and I really just want to fuck.

I suck her tits a little and she gets me on the bed and gets me all disroped. Has some tats and also has those little holes where she got lipo on her stomach so she is pretty much all plastic minus her ass which is real and pretty plump. She goes to get her wet naps to wipe my coock off so she can suck it. Now here is the thing, I can tell how good the head is going to be just by how long they hold onto that wet nap. I swear to fuck, she is one of these squeegy blow job oral natural girls. Always fucking cleaning it off with the wet nap every 5 sucks. Like it feels good but to keep having to wipe sort of takes all the fun out of it. In the future I'm going to ask if they use the wet nap to wipe it the entire time or they just go straight suck mode after a once over.

After about 5 min of sucking she puts the rubber on and slides it into her tight little slit. She has a homer simpson innie pussy and it is fun to fuck those. She really likes riding on top and knows how to do it without you slipping out. We go to missionaire and do a little more kissing and she really loves it when I rub her clit. I do it more and want to pop. , I tell her I want her to just storke it, I ask if she does facials or boca, she says no but will let me pop on her tits. I do and because I was soo backed up I give her a huge 9 ropper. She is impressed and then we go to shower. I'm cool, I get dressed and leave.

She was ok but I don't think ill see her again. UMMV take care! And lets bring back some review please!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2907432]Basically, he is a youtuber that talks about travel and don't think he's a monger or least he implies he's not one, but tends to cover Medellin fatalities and scolpomine incidents related mostly to mongering. Infact, that's all he seems cover. But its very informative about what's happening in Colombian, mainly medellin.[/QUOTE]I doubt he has ever been to Colombia. He doesn't know how to pronounce "el Poblado". I think he finds news articles and reads them on YouTube, while interjecting gloom and doom. I stopped watching his videos because it's the same old stuff, just a change of events.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2907581]If you look at much of the Latin American culture, especially Colombia, women go big on makeup as already mentioned and fashion. What is not big there in general is fitness and that along with a pretty heavy cuisine has led to early obesity in much of the population. That's why you see Latino women get big real fast. If you look at videos comparing Parque Lleras and Centro to the mongering areas of Thailand and Philippines, you will see a striking difference in body shape and weight levels. Yes some of it is genetic but diet plays a major role too.[/QUOTE]Now they have all these fat draining massages and surgeries. It gives all these girls a perfect 6 pack which obviously looks fake.

The funny thing is the girls start to work out after they get the surgeries.

Dropped by Parque Lleras last night, nothing really different. Seems to be up and running at full swing. Even the ridiculously high prices for the SWs still exist. The only thing was the police were checking everybody's ID at the gate. So I guess if you pick up a girl in Parque Lleras and she ends being under age you can blame it on the Police, since they check IDs of everyone that went through (yeah right! Ha ha). Were they expecting Livingston to drop by? Anyways, plenty of girls were out and majority of them were all el centro SW Vera Cruz quality with the exception of a few. The main asking price was 400 k all covered.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2907622] Anyways, plenty of girls were out and majority of them were all el centro SW Vera Cruz quality with the exception of a few. The main asking price was 400 k all covered.[/QUOTE]Thank you, been saying that for a while and guys literally try to argue with me and say that they are not the same girls LOL.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2907603]I stopped watching his videos because it's the same old stuff, just a change of events.[/QUOTE]But isn't that what news is?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2907412]Who or what is DC Rob?[/QUOTE]He's YouTube "expert" on Medellin. I watched part of one of his "expert" videos on the risk of being drugged and robbed. I had to stop when he claimed women were drugging men by putting scopolamine on doorknobs.

I'm still wondering who among us is sucking on doorknobs.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2907626]Thank you, been saying that for a while and guys literally try to argue with me and say that they are not the same girls LOL.[/QUOTE]Most are not the same girls but we can agree to disagree. LOL. I have seen the girls from El Centro and the girls from Poblado and most are not the same girls. There may be a few but most of the girls from El Centro would not be able to get business in Poblado. I know that you guys think because a few of the girls are the same, that all the girls are the same or most of them but it is not true in my opinion. For guys who have never been, just go to El Centro and check out the girls and see for yourself.

The premise behind the theory that Poblado streetwalkers are just the girls from El Centro is that guys are overpaying for the same guys that I am paying 50 mil to. I'm so smart, you're so stupid. That theory works if it were true. There is definitely a lot of "I am so smart, you are a simp" bragging going on here and that is just the way many guy are. If it were true, we should all go down to El Centro instead because why should you pay much more when they can pay 50 mil? If it were true.

Now, I would admit that some guys believe that the Poblado girls are higher quality and some of the girls are also working in El Centro but it is up to the guy to assess the type of girl that he is taking. I personally have not seen too many girls that I would take in El Centro.

I will tell you this story of a Facebook girl who warned me not to see one of her friends and told me that her friend was an El Centro puta, or El Centro working girl as if that was the lowest of the low and I would not want to see such a girl. That is some indication of how some girls view girls who work in El Centro.

Crowds shouting 'gringos puteros go home', burning shit and pestering guys in Lleras. Feminists apparently.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/C5kJ_GVN-cf/[/URL]

Fun and games.

Flyers says "Say No to Sex tourism".

I love this guy LOL.

I should ask since this will be my first trip to Colombia -- is the tap water in Medellin safe to drink for those of us coming from Canada / USA?

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[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2907767]I should ask since this will be my first trip to Colombia -- is the tap water in Medellin safe to drink for those of us coming from Canada / USA?[/QUOTE]They always say tap water is safe to drink in Medellin but I never trusted that. I always stick to bottled water. It's cheap and safer than having to deal with upset stomach or diarrhea.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2907651]But isn't that what news is?[/QUOTE]I should have been more descriptive. In his 30 minutes or so diatribe, about five minutes is a news event and the remaining is his same old alarmist babble.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2907767]I should ask since this will be my first trip to Colombia -- is the tap water in Medellin safe to drink for those of us coming from Canada / USA?[/QUOTE]For years, I drank water from the taps in Medellin with no ill effects. Since my friend's daughter was weaned from breast milk, her favorite drink has been water. I always use bottled water now because I don't want to risk her getting sick from the water. I think her mother also keeps bottled water at home. Also, I've noticed sometimes the water will look rusty, like they have been working on the water lines. As ElSexoChino7 says, I don't risk it.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2907767]I should ask since this will be my first trip to Colombia -- is the tap water in Medellin safe to drink for those of us coming from Canada / USA?[/QUOTE]The tap water in Medellin is typically safe to drink. However, the bugs in the Medellin water are going to be different than the bugs in your home water, so if you have a sensitive digestive system, drink bottled water.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2907767]I should ask since this will be my first trip to Colombia -- is the tap water in Medellin safe to drink for those of us coming from Canada / USA?[/QUOTE]I tested the water from the bathroom sink in Bogota a few years back and it was actually "safer" than the bottled water. As CB was saying the microorganisms may not be what you are used to though, so you should always travel with probiotic.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2907737]Crowds shouting 'gringos puteros go home', burning shit and pestering guys in Lleras. Feminists apparently.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/C5kJ_GVN-cf/[/URL]

Fun and games.[/QUOTE]Colombia is dead. Stay away or you will be attacked by blue haired women pretty soon.

Ok guys, it's been a LONG time since I have written a report, but I will do my best to outline this for everyone on what I think is useful I have learned in the past 5 or so years. Also, for haters or the "I don't believe you" crowd out there. Save it, I don't come to ISG often, I won't waste time with replying to nonsense. [B]My next trip to MDE will be from 4/28 - 5/3[/B]. If you are not an FNG and have made contributions to this board, please reach out and I'm happy to buy you a beer or share a bottle with you one night at a club.

[B][U] Flights [/U][/B]
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I have been flying to MDE now for 5+ years, and I can tell you without a doubt that Spirit sucks, but is great for MDE trips. If you are coming from the S.East USA, then fly Spirit through Miami or FLL. Outside of that, both American does direct flights and Delta does a flight that connects through Bogota. I will usually fly 1st class. / Delta 1 and prices are creeping up. It used to be $600 ish and now D1 is creeping up to $1200 or more. Plan ahead, and look forward to a good sex trip. At any given point, I like to have 4-5 trips ahead planned so I can manage my personal and work life around my mongering life. If you don't know about "Scotts Cheap Flights" which is now called "Going", I suggest you sign up. I have booked tickets almost a year in advance with this service and mongered now in 20+ countries flying in first class on the cheap cost with their help. Thank me later once you snag your first trans-ocean business class flight for under 1 k USD.

The MDE airport is easy. Customs line can be hit or miss, 5 minutes, or 2 hours. Be ready and get there fast to avoid a long wait if you are not on the front of the plane. Just be polite, say tourism, and provide the address of your hotel if they ask. Don't chat, just answer their question and move on. Walk through the Duty Free (Rappi has better prices) and get your luggage. Pick up is right outside. I suggest the white colored cabs. They are official airport cabs, and cost like 20mil more. (100 k from MDE airport to Poblado). Once you know the city and get a few good InDrive or Uber drivers, I get their numbers and now I have a book of guys who I will tell I'm coming into town and see who is available for a pick up at 1/2 the price.
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[B][U] Hotels / AirBnB [/U][/B]
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I have to apologize. The Hotel Marriott on Calle 1aSur [B] USED TO BE[/B] the best hotel in all of Medellin to bring girls. Apparently I was cited as one of the largest reasons it no longer is. I am a 19+ year Ambassador level and the note I got from the GM: The parade of women, working girls and party girls though our hotel lobby [B]HAS[/B] to stop, we value your status and you are welcome in the hotel, but perhaps consider another location for your personal activities. I have stayed there 50+ times in the last 5 years (including over 200 days in a row during COVID) and I can without a doubt tell you that if you use a blacklight on any room on the 4th floor pool level, or the presidential suite, it will look like a Jackson Pollock painting because of me.

They still allow "1 guest per day", but I was used to bringing in 5+ girls AT A TIME. If you ever went to La Isla and "saw that asshole who brought 5+ girls TO THE STRIP CLUB", that might have been me. (If he was handsome and dressed in Versace). The hotel is still ABSOLUTELY number one for overall value. The rooms are amazing, pool view is incredible, Nau Sushi Bar and The Market food are outstanding, and the executive lounge food and service is top notch. Also, I might be biased considering I have fucked no less than 20 of their employees as well.

Now I stay in AirBnB. I have stayed everywhere from Poblado, Laurelles to Belen. There are tons of amazing ones, no problems with guests and the occasional security who wants a small bribe but it's good for safety when you get someone who is vigilant. I would share my favorites for AirBnBs, but I don't want you all taking them. Just don't be CHEAP and find a nice 2-3 bedroom so you can lock your shit up and still have girls crash over. I have a 5 bedroom, penthouse I like to rent in Poblado that has a rooftop pool that is less per night than a single night at the Marriott.
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[B][U] Money / Culture / Poverty [/U][/B]
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USD is king around the world, and can be used here, but COP is the way to go. Dont bother bringing cash, get it all from one of two places: Colpatria ATM if you are in Bogota, or Scotia Bank ATM in Medellin. I can take our 4-5M COP a day with no issues from my accounts, fees are low, and you get market rate exchange. Almost everywhere takes a Visa card and its safe for the most part if you are not an idiot putting your card through a skimmer; Bring cash with you at all times for girls, street food and street fucks so you have a limit. NEVER bring cards to a strip club - bad idea. Get cash, and give yourself a limit before you go.

The COP has been rising drastically in the past 2 years, so Colombia is not as cheap as it used to be, but its still one of the best places in the world to fuck for amazing prices. (That is not in Asia). Dont be a cheap ass, and dont haggle girls who are already offering low prices for their services they dont WANT to fuck you, but NEED to fuck you since they want to eat. For the higher end girls, negotiate these all day - these girls are modern day HUSTLERS and the same girl charging me 200mil COP to me for TLN with BBFS CIP will ask for 800mil from you if they think they can get it. Be fair, but firm. Know what you want/are able to, and know there are girls that you can fuck in that price range.

This is a city where [B] MOST[/B] people would be considered impoverished. The average Colombian from the many I know, dated, fucked and am now unofficially related to, have been telling me the average MONTHLY salary is around 1. 5 M COP. $400 USD [B]OR WAYYYYY LESS[/B] That being said, you can go to MDE on ANY budget, but here is what I consider to be my "reasonable" My daily budget for girls is about 1M COP. I like all girls from the "el centro" girls for the quick 48 mil COP blowjob to the higher end professional types. I have spend 100 mil in a day, or 20 M in a day and had just a good a time. Set yourself a budget, and splurge when reasonable.

The culture for many in Colombia is "gift me as much as possible", "ask for things" and "pretend offense or hurt if you don't get it all". You have to learn that many folks there are literally poorer than you will EVER be, so they will push HARD to get ANYTHING and EVERYTHING they can from you. Even some of my girls who are 5+ years friendships will try the occasional hustle, and I remind them I love them, and "I will pray for you, that is better than money" and they remember who they are dealing with. I'm not cheap, in fact it's the opposite, I'm [b]SUPER[/b] generous to my girls that is why I have so many. But after a few wives (at least they THOUGHT we were married) and too many girlfriends, I have the hang of things to keep the balance of generosity, but not stupid.
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[B][U] Working / Language [/U][/B]
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I loved Medellin so much I opened not one, but two businesses there. TONS of positive reasons to do this from tax write offs to employing in some way some of my far too numerous girlfriends (and wives). I still have them there, so if you are in software and feel like reaching out, send me a PM. Colombia is a GREAT place for digital nomads. You could go the visa route, but I'm never there more than 90 days. Most places have free wifi and most girls are almost always "sin datos" on their phone.

LEARN SPANISH. THEN learn Paisa. Go there as a gringo and not make basic attempts to speak will be met with "I am going to hustle this person" attitude. Think about it. Someone shows up in your state, speaks some foreign language at you and expects you to just use the translator. Fuck that. Spanish is [B]EASY[/B] to learn. Duolingo. Girls will think its cute, and you will get 10 x better fun, sex, friends. Everyone who goes and doesn't speak Spanish. Expect gringo tax, and gringo prices. Plain and simple.
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[B][U] Clubs [/U][/B]
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If you dont like Reggaeton, Rap, or Electronica, too fucking bad. That is what 95% of the girls who fuck for money like. Put on what they like, go where they like, and you will have a better time. My favorite clubs are as follows:
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[b] El Poblado - Icono Club[/b] This place has some of the best DJs and is one of the more expensive clubs to go to. Keep in mind electronica clubs here are just tables people stand around and drink/do drugs. They are VERY different than other parts of the world. Text WhatsApp ahead and the DJ list and pricing for the night. Some nights are buy 1 get one 1 free bottles. These are the nights you offer to bring your girl and all her friends. Just let them know that to come out and drink/do drugs sex is expected and you will tip them well if its good. I will usually do 200mil COP each + taxi for a girl who stays all night and if I fucked her. If I didnt fuck her, its just taxi money.


[b]Calle 45 - El Cielo The Heaven Club:[/b] This is a barrio club - DO NOT GO HERE unless you have locals with you and you speak amazing Spanish. Im not saying its not safe, Im saying you will just be an asshole for bringing your gringo ass to their club. These clubs will literally be empty until 1am and all of a sudden be full of girls all high as fuck around the tables. Picking up a girl in a club like this is not the goal - the goal is to go and have fun, get high and dance. You might get a few WhatsApp numbers, but best to bring girls there and go back and fuck later. Calle 45 is amazing and has TONS of clubs, restaurants, and more, but its very local. Once you feel local there, you are officially Paisa.


[b]Las Palmas - La Isla[/b] - This is a gringo strip-club, through and through. Expect almost ALL the girls to be cosmetically enhanced, and expect them all to ask you for 1M+ COP for sex. They will ask 600mil COP the next day once you get their WhatsApp and settle for 400mil or less. [b]I ALWAYS ALWAYS[/b] show up to the strip club with at least 2-3 girls. This lets all girls know right away he already has girls to fuck, so hustling him is not going to happen. I will ask them to sit down with my girls, share champagne, and then get their numbers. Tell them you can come party with us after if you want and 2/3rds of the time I will get the I get off at 2am, where should I meet at reply. If these girls dont get a client, they will come out to drink and potentially get a tip from you later if they think it will happen. This is why I always keep my room stocked with about 50+ cans of JP champagne, Smirnoff Ice, Pedialyte and candy. I forgot to mention, CANDY. When girls use drugs, their bodies will metabolize sugars REALLY fast, and they [b]fucking love[/b] candy. Ever wonder why so many girls are sucking on a lolly pop in Medellin? Its not just so you can imagine getting your dick sucked, but most of them are high as fuck and enjoying the sugar.


[b]Fase2[/b] - Its a locals strip club - the girls will try to hustle you if you are not Colombian or know better. Most of the girls there are bigger, but its a cool place to go and chill with a bottle of Jack. I will have girls come sit on my lap and feel them up for an overpriced drink, but its a nice chill spot. They no NOT allow smoking inside.


[b]Parque Lleras[/b] - threre a tons of clubs here. They will all try to pull you in and offer free XYZ or free admission. Never pay a penny to go in those clubs (except Gusto, which is 50mil COP). I like many of the clubs, and I will say YMMV based on the night of the week, amount of guys/girls there, holidays, etc. I go to PL to party, and if I dont pull a girl home, Im not upset. I like getting a bottle and having 30+ girls trying to make eye contact with me all night. I can tell within 30 seconds of them sitting down if they will stay or not, I pull the up close, get them a drink, and go for a first kiss. If its not full of passion and tongue, I let them stay until the drink is over, touching their body of course, and then say thank you nicely and they leave.
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[B][U] Girls / Pricing [/U][/B]

[B]OK - finally the section you have been waiting for[/B] Girls in MDE I would put into these categories below. (Also, I'm listing prices for me, YMMV. I'm mid-40's, attractive, well built, dress well and I'm wealthy). Sorry to those of you who are not, life is not fucking fair, get over it.
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[b][u]What you should know about Colombia girls/women [/u][/b]
They will show up late, EVERY FUCKING TIME. NEVER EVER EVER EVER WAIT for a Colombia girl, as you will get angry, it will be 2 hours later, they are still in traffic which means they havent left yet, etc. Those girls have no concept of a real life with priorities and schedules etc (what do you expect of a 19 year old prostitute?). Just be ready for them to be late, and if your time is that important, tell them 30/60 minutes AHEAD of when you need to see them. Once you know a girl well you can say show up on time or I will pay less and then they get the picture. (They will still be late, but less late). Also, send girls away if they dont come DRESSED TO IMPRESS. If a girl shows up not arranged, then send their ass away. A girls cultural and social value in Colombia is EXTREMELY based on their femininity. If they dont show up looking amazing as fuck, tell them to go back and arrange if they want to see you again. (Unless you are going in the pool or something, and then I tell them to bring all their shit to shower and arrange afterwards before we go out)

Keep in mind a lot of these girls will schedule guys IN BETWEEN your visit and another, so if they are running late, they may have another guys dick in them. This is why I always like to invite 2-3 girls so if they are late, I tell them dont bother or have them meet me after I have fucked and they get 1/3 of the money, etc. I used to sit and wait, and get angry about girls and the culture like this now I have learned to adapt and simply flow with it. Never wait to eat for them eat and then when they show up (if they do on time) you order their food. If they are on the way ask them to share their WhatsApp location with you if they dont, they are not on the way.


[b][u]Overall Tips [/u][/b]
Treat girls LIKE HUMAN BEINGS. Have drinks, small snacks, and other niceties in your room and its far better than show up and fuck. A basic trip to the grocery store for what costs next to nothing will give you a 10x better experience, plus, likely to make the girl WANT to be with you. I cant count the times girls will smile and blush when I offer them champagne and order in pizza before smash that young pussy all night :). Girls like to pose in your fancy room for pictures to show off as status to their friends - so what would have been a quick 30 min fuck turns into 3 hours of her there with me taking videos of her, fucking her multiples times, getting her to show me her friends for raw-threesomes and planning to go to a club that night to dance and bring home her whole pack of girlies. Nothing like waking up in the morning to 4-5 girls passed out in bed. I always tell them I like morning sex, so if you wake up with me fucking you, dont be surprised. Uffff sleepy sex :) Some of them will just lay there until you finish and go back to sleep with your cum inside them. SO DAMN HOT.


[b][u]Street Walkers [/u][/b]
- These are the girls you will find in el-centro. Some of these girls fuck the NASTIEST guys (and are NASTY girls themselves). YOU NEED TO WEAR A CONDOM if you go with these girls for sex. Asking price is usually 40-50mil COP for FULL SEX. Dont expect fancy, but you can find the occasional diamond in the rough down there. I like to go to el-centro to eat lunch, buy clothes/shoes/etc and then get a nice long BJ. I will ask to see their smile/teeth and then ass. All I care about is that head bobbing up and down on my dick while I look at their ass in the thong. For a $12 mid-day lunch blow-job, you cant beat it. I dont recommend anything more with these girls, and they are literally ULTRA high volume. (Before you guys tell me some girls go to Lleras that work in el-centro- yep, I know that, but the caliber of street girls who have seen 20,000 dicks in their life and a Lleras girl who is 18-23 and fucking because they want some new sneakers are different). Average looks I would say are 4/5 out of 10.


[b][u]Parque Lleras (PL) / Bar girls [/u][/b]
Fuck [b]BEFORE[/b] you to to Parque Lleras and then you wont be ready to fuck the first girl who smiles at you. This is a party spot for gringo and people with moderate/lots of money. Expect girls ranging from 5 all the way to 10 here. They stand in the parque, go inside the clubs, work in the clubs (Gusto) and literally [b]ANY[/b] girl in PL is available to fuck. I have fucked more than one waitress, server, the girl selling drinks in the street, etc. That is why they are there. The earlier in the night, the higher price you will get; I suggest going between 9pm - 11pm. Go into a club, buy a bottle and drink, dance and enjoy kissing tons of girls. Talk to them, share your drugs with them (or them with you), have a good time and then around 1am THEN you ask them if they want to leave with you. Most girls will ask for 400-600mil, but most will accept 200-400mil depending upon what you want once its late.

If a girl in the PL wants to leave to fuck quickly, service will be rushed, and they are looking to return to the parque for more clients. Maybe you want a quick smash/dash, and that is fine, but if you do, tell them it will be quick so only 100-200mil. Most girls in PL will do BBJ but ask for a condom for sex - this is actually good since they want to stay clean :). Girls who do no-condom very easy Im [b]very suspicious of[/b] (I might still do it though :). Girls who ask for condom sex will usually take it off for another 200mil. If I find a beautiful girl who I can tell who has not had a lot of mileage, Im wanting BBFS for sure and likely will CIP or facial them. Get their WhatsApp, and repeat with these girls before they go to the park and prices come down :).

But YYZ, how can you tell? After 25+ years of doing this I can just tell.. Simple signs are a girl who has normal (or less prostitutey) clothes, and non-VS panties, non-stripper heels and looks like she might be a bit shy or nervous, uff those are my types.

[b][u]Independents / Prepagos[/u][/b]
Most of these girls got started through FB of some online site. (PhotoPrepagos, etc). These are girls who are 5-9 in looks, and range from under the legal age to 25ish. They will advertise somewhere and have a giant list of gringos / foreigners they have already fucked for repeat business. Ever wonder what 1/2 of the girls are doing on their phone while you are out at a club? They are doing 1 of 2 things: [b]MOST LIKLEY[/b] posting sexy pictures or angles of them in a club to show how great their life is to their friends, etc. Secondarily its looking at all the other status of the girls to then ask if they can come and party/get paid. These girls are my favorite as once you get a few you like, you get their friends numbers, and your book grows from 3 girls to 700+ after a few years. I checked my contacts this morning and I have over 700 girls in my WhatsApp with the PP prefix in front of it :)

A lot of these girls have become my friends in real life, and when I come in town they come over to chill at the pool, take nice pictures, or just want me to take them out to dinner and fuck them. These girls will ask 300-400 COP AN HOUR, and pricing will all depend upon your looks, age, style, where you are staying, Spanish ability, etc. The more you know them, you will stabilize at usually 400 for TLN + small pleasantries, but that is a tiny price to pay for a girl who is most likely still in high-school / trade school there. REMEMBER to check ID, you dont need to be going to prison over snatch when Medellin is literally the easiest place on the planet to get good pussy.

These are the girls I will go to Victorias secret before I travel and buy all the XS panties in the sale bin. Like 50+ pair. I get TONS of gift bags/boxes and my room is covered in VS boxes. I have had more than a few fall for me romantically, and I have fallen for more than a few of them myself romantically. At any given point, I probably am saying I love you to about 8-9 girls each morning. Hard not to when you wake up at 2am with a 19 year old beauty sucking your dick and sincerly asking me to give them a baby. I have never had to such passionate and good sex when these girls catch feelings for you, and you for them.

[b][u]Massage Girls[/u][/b]
These are the girls who work at the massage parlor, who also escort on the side. You will overpay for sub-par quiet in-house massage parlor sex. Medellin is so open about prostitution, that doing it clandestine is the most likely way to get a bad deal. Go to a legit massage place, get a nice massage, and if you like the girl, ask for WhatsApp and if she gives it to you, then you negotiate price later. You can get a solid REAL massage, and then sex for less money than you likely paid the massage place in the first place. For a REAL massage + Deep cleansing Facial + Sex 400-700mil is a good price. Im talking about the girls who show up in uniform, have all their own tools, bring a massage table, and later you bareback the shit out of that pussy that is something I will pay 700mil COP for. These girls are usually 23 - 35 and still beautiful since they are so hung up on looks as their profession. [b]ALL OF THEM[/b] have their own cosmetology business outside of work, and want to make it on my own since the spas there take 70% off the top from them and they provide all the services.

[b][u]Facebook / Online[/u][/b]
Just like TikTok was created to watch teens dance sexy (god bless this application), Facebook is Colombia is like the yellow-pages for Prepagos. Here is how this works. Make yourself a fake account (use your real account and one day gaurentteed you are going to get blackmailed). Once you have a fake account search for Medallo or Medellin in the search bar and look for girls who have an open friend list and all the girls are ridiculously hot. Add about 20-30 per day (overadd and you will get quick banned). Then you just watch all their statuses and the girls who are posting 1/2 naked pics or thong bathing suit pictures in the mirror - there you go. Send them an hola amor and if they reply back - you can ask for a date, tell them you want to see them, and boom - you are connected. Make sure to see an ID if you are not 10000% sure they are overage, Colombian Cops and even the US are using FB as their primary go-to for entrapment of guys for underage sex. Once you get one good solid girl, you add all her friends, and then their friends, and all of a sudden you have 4000+ girls in Medellin. Its like a buffet of young and for-sale vagina.

Keep in mind - filters are a powerful thing. Make sure you look at lots of pics of the girls to get past the instagram sparkle photo you fell in love with.

[b][u]Non-Pros / Normal Colombian Girls / Etc[/u][/b]
Sex on a first date with a normal Colombia girl is about 75% expected. I have fucked every girl under the sun from receptionists at the Marriott, to Juan Valdez girls, to attorneys, etc. Its a very sex forward culture, and if you manage to get a real date, as long as you are not an ugly cheapskate douchebag, you will score sex on date 1. Here is usually my playbook.
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[b]*[/b] Im out at a mall and I see an amazing girl working in a clothing store. I look around and tell here Im looking to buy something nice for my mother (or sister) and you get points right away.
[b]*[/b] You thank them for helping you, and say maybe they would just like flowers instead. They think its sweet and you still get to talk to them.
[b]*[/b] You say I usually never do this type of thing, but would you be open for a drink or dinner? You are just really beautiful and Im new to Colombia If they give you their WhatsApp number, boom, you just got a date.
[b]*[/b] Dont be too eager - ask them to text you that night or the next day and arrange something like this. I loved meeting you at ZYX store - how about insert popular dinner place at 7:30pm? While you are there, tell them you have an amazing bottle of wine (or beers if they are drinking beers) at your place and you can go back and listen to music and learn more about each other.
[b]*[/b] If her shoes come off - you are going to fuck. Simple as that. If a girl keeps her shoes on once she is inside (unless you have a dirty ass floor), she is not expecting to take her pants off. Shoes off, pants off.
[b]*[/b] Put on music SHE likes - almost all Colombians like Reggaeton (or Reggetaon Viejo), electronica or traditional Colombian music. Stand up to dance (even if you cant and after 20 seconds - boom, move in to kiss).
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[B][U] Cosmetic Surgery / Health [/U][/B]
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Thats right, you read that header correctly. Colombias NUMBER FUCKING TWO export is elective surgery. I have had two hair transplants, gastric surgery, teeth fixes, etc, etc. I literally look 15 years younger, and feel 10x better. Its on average 1/3 the price of the USA and the quality of both care and doctors are better. Every single trip I will get a cleaning facial, vitamin c injection, plasma for my hair, botox, teeth whitening, deep tissue massages are more the only place on earth probably better for low cost and high quality spa-treatments is Pattaya Thailand.

Did you know that girls like fucking men who are more attractive and not lazy slobs? Dress well (in fake brand clothes of course you buy down in el centro), take care of yourself, and all of a sudden you will have girls [b]WANTING[/b] to be with you, vs [red]WILLING[/red] to be with you for money. Unlike my drug contacts, these contacts Im happy to share with you - PM me if you are interested and not just looking to waste my time. Google search first, and prove you are not just some rando looking for something they will never use and I will happily share details, pricing and more with you if you are serious about getting into better health. Best thing you can do for your sex life is to be active and in shape. I know we go for vacation to fuck, but guys, take the time to workout everyday, (even if its just walking). If you are there long periods of time, join a gym and stare at all the young girls in spandex. Seriously, just get outside and start moving. Your body will thank you.

Vitamins - I know this is an odd thing - but Im telling you this: There are some meds that I just wont travel without:[indent]
[b]Sunflower Lecithin[/b] - this stuff comes in HUGE horse pills, and taste disgusting. But when paired with 25mg of Zinc you will literally boost your cum production 5x. I like to be able to paint a girls face proper. The more cum you make, the better your orgasm. Plain and simple.
[b]PrEP[/b] - this is a prescription medication that is an ANTI-HIV / blocker. If you are barebacking girls in high volume (or any volume), I strongly recommend it.
[b]DoxyCycline[/b] - this stuff in combination with PrEP is known to block almost all other STDs / STIS.
[b]HPV vaccine[/b] - if you dont have this (its a series of 3 vaccines- fucking get it. Makes you immune to HPV.
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The goal here is to fuck as much raw as possible and protect yourself from getting sick. Im also fixed so I dont worry about babies, but guys, these girls are poor as it is, [b]if you make a baby, take care of it. If you dont - youre a trash terrible person and I hope you burn in hell[/b]. Babies are Gods gift to this earth.

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[B][U] Drugs [/U][/B]
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I won't go into the section too much since honestly, I don't recommend using drugs to anyone. I use them from time to time, but only in Colombia. What I will tell you is most younger working girls will perform 2 x as good on Tussi, and it will turn a 1 hour session into 3-4 hours of animal BBFS and passion if you get good stuff. Get your contacts from the girls. The going rate is 65-80 mil COP cada punto. Any less you should not pay as it's either not real, or dangerously cut with fentenol. The only drugs at all I recommend are Tussi, Ecstasy tabs and Coke. Everything else in MDE is trash and likely to get you killed.
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[B][U] Caution / Danger [/U][/B]
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There are a lot of very poor, very bad and very desperate people when it comes to poverty. If I was poor, would I feel bad about drugging a gringo so I could sell his overpriced phone to get money to feed my kids? You bet your life. I have gone to Colombia more than most people on the forum, and I have NEVER had an issue. Here is what I suggest.
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[b]*[/b] Put your stuff away. This means when you leave your place, ALWAYS think you might be bringing a girl back. Put your computer away, fancy toiletries, etc. (Girls will steal your cologne in a heart beat if they think they can get away with it). I know its a pain, but this is why I will get 2/3/4 bedrooms and just lock doors. Until I trust a girl, which takes a while there, I dont ever leave them alone in my place.

[b]*[/b] Don't "dar papaya". This means. Don't ask to get robbed. Don't walk around with your $1500 US cell phone out snapping pictures like an idiot.

[b]*[/b] Don't pull out big money in public. Keep small amounts in one pocket- and your larger amount in a zipper pocket and shift money in private.

[b]*[/b] Wear fake jewelry. Most Colombians are anyways, so you will fit in more with a fake Gucci shirt than you will with your idiotic NFL shirt. That is just advertising to get mugged.

[b]*[/b] Wear a crossbody bag. Keep your shit in front of you in a bag that clips / straps over your body and you are 100x harder to rob.

[b]*[/b] If a girl is not willing to send you a copy of her ID or let you see it / take a picture. WALK AWAY. There are 1000x other hot girls less than 10 minutes away.

[b]*[/b] Girls you just met like to offer threesomes as it's 1/2 the work for the same money EACH, and they are safer with a friend. If a girl brings a friend along that you didn't ask for, it's to hustle you. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

[b]*[/b] Make sure you take PREP and cycle antibiotics. Girls will say they are clean, but the 5 guys they fucked before might have been lying. I have BBed over 800 girls in MDE and still clean to this day. Prep+Doxycycline pretty much makes you immune to STDS. (Sure it ruins your liver, but fuck livers).

[b]*[/b]Remember that Colombia mongering life IS NOT REAL. Don't get sucked into the hype. Your life at home is your life. Once you can't stop thinking about mongering, you have gone too far.

[b]*[/b] GET ID! GET ID! GET ID! Colombia police LOVE busting guys for child trafficking. There have been so many hotels closed and guys going to jail in the news recently, you need to be hyper aware here. I have met girls as YOUNG AS [B]11 years old[/B] with 10+ tattoos who could pass for 17/18 who are already working the streets. GUYS. DON'T FUCK LITTLE KIDS. Dont say its the culture there - they are doing it out of desperation. [b][red]There is a SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL FOR YOU IF YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF / ABUSE CHILDREN[/b][/red]

[/indent]I have been in the best parts, and I guarantee you the WORST parts of Colombia. I MARRIED into a VERY poor family and have seen true desperation and children going hungry. Even then they were some of the KINDEST people I have ever met. Don't be an asshole, be good to humans, and don't be an idiot and you should be ok.
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[B][U] Relationships [/U][/B]
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I can't count the number of times I have fallen in love in Colombia. Like REAL romantic love. I [b]MARRIED[/b] one girl (there are a lot of posts about her in this very forum including great nudes of her too)(I still fucked everything that moved), but I loved this girl with all my heart. I have 10+ girls who I love like little sisters (I still fuck them), but I help them with clothes for school, birthday gifts, have met their families, been to weddings, funerals, Christmas at their house and more. Colombians are some of the most passionate and warm people in the world (probably only 2nd to Brazil). If you are single, you are VERY likely to fall in love - if you do fall in love... [b]please[/b] don't make the mistake I made (will continue to make). Just be honest, tell them you like fucking lots of women, and you will find a girl there who will let you fuck everyone and anyone and still love you (if you take care of her and. her family). Word of warning here: I have NEVER seen a hot Colombian woman over 45 years old. These girls AGE HARD. If you are going to get into a relationship, AIM YOUNG (18-23) and you will be dead before they get ugly.
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[B][U] Food / Rappi [/U][/B]
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Some of the very best food can be found in Colombia! Dont just limit yourself to hotel food, but explore out there and look up good restaurants. Everything from fresh chicharron, to mazorca, to arepas con salsa aji fresco. Guys, even if you are not a foodie you should be eating like a king when in Colombia. I recommend [b]Desayunadero[/b] for all you Poblado guys. They have an amazing breakfast/brunch and its an amazing portion. Dont overeat, and make sure you get the food to go to give to homeless people outside vs it just going into the garbage. There other places like Collosal, Oudres Carnes de Res, La Matriaca and more.


[b]Rappi[/b] - Rappi is fucking amazing for food delivery, alcohol delivery, CASH delivery from ATMS and more. I use it every country they have it, and [b]WISH[/b] they had it in the USA. Uber fucking sucks, dont try to compare it. I can order a burger and beer from Rappi in Medellin and have it [b]in my hands[/b] in less than 10 minutes with Rappi turbo. This is great for ordering girls food / alcohol and not waiting forever. You would be amazed and what 40mil COP burger and fries will do.
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[B][u]I dont what category this goes in / Rants [/u][/B]
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GUYS - [b]GROOM YOUR FUCKING DICK[/b]. I cant believe the number of guys who dont do this - the stories I hear from these girls. Keep the hair short, shave your dick and balls and make it look fucking presentable. Holy shit, you would think this is common knowledge, and guys want a nice and clean pussy, but have a gross as crotch themselves. HOLY SHIT guys, seriously. [b]GIRLS TALK TOO[/b]. The number of you guys on here that girls talk about with the fat white guy belly, or Indians never shave their balls or some other nonsense. Have good grooming and dont be that guy.

DO NOT RIP GIRLS OFF - I have heard horror stories from girls getting ripped off by gringos and it GIVES US ALL A BAD NAME. If you want pussy, PAY FOR IT. If you rip girls off - they will post pictures of you, and one day that is going to come back to haunt you 10000x harder.

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In closing. My years in Colombia have been some of the best of my life. I have become closer to God learning true religious culture. I have fucked literally 100's of women, had 3-somes, 4-somes, 5-somes, and FAR more once with 23 girls + me in a place in Guatape. The smell of vagina was HEAVENLY and one of my best memories in life. I have CIPed enough girls to literally have 200+ kids and I have met some of my very best friends in life there. I have had amazing times where I did too many drugs in a club and a girl would bring be home and her grandmother would make me soup, or been blessed with the chance to help a friend welcome a new baby into their world and attend family lunches, christenings and more. I'm godfather to countless kids, and I help families provide Christmas presented for their kids for Christmas. I have opened businesses there, I employ 85+ people now in Colombia and consider it to be my 2nd home on this planet and I'm part of that community. I'm more Paisa than most Colombians, the biggest difference being I'm pretty damn rich. I enjoy the expensive clubs in Poblado, and the barrio ones on calle 45.

The best advice I can give you, is go with someone who has gone before. Be open to seeing more than just the inside of a young girls panties, and you will have the time of your life. You will see kind people, beautiful women, amazing food, and best of all it will give you perspective into an amazing emerging culture in which you can be a part of. Cheers, and happy hunting!!

Bottled water is not expensive. Why risk a bad reaction?

[QUOTE=CatBert55;2907791]The tap water in Medellin is typically safe to drink. However, the bugs in the Medellin water are going to be different than the bugs in your home water, so if you have a sensitive digestive system, drink bottled water.[/QUOTE]

I think I will continue to take a pass on this content.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2907783]I should have been more descriptive. In his 30 minutes or so diatribe, about five minutes is a news event and the remaining is his same old alarmist babble.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2907737]Crowds shouting 'gringos puteros go home', burning shit and pestering guys in Lleras. Feminists apparently.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/C5kJ_GVN-cf/[/URL]

Fun and games.[/QUOTE]These Colombian guys don't like foreigners with lots of money banging their girls and hiking prices. It was bound to start sometime.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2907731]The premise behind the theory that Poblado streetwalkers are just the girls from El Centro is that guys are overpaying for the same guys that I am paying 50 mil to. I'm so smart, you're so stupid. That theory works if it were true. There is definitely a lot of "I am so smart, you are a simp" bragging going on here and that is just the way many guy are. If it were true, we should all go down to El Centro instead because why should you pay much more when they can pay 50 mil? If it were true.

Now, I would admit that some guys believe that the Poblado girls are higher quality and some of the girls are also working in El Centro but it is up to the guy to assess the type of girl that he is taking. I personally have not seen too many girls that I would take in El Centro.

I will tell you this story of a Facebook girl who warned me not to see one of her friends and told me that her friend was an El Centro puta, or El Centro working girl as if that was the lowest of the low and I would not want to see such a girl. That is some indication of how some girls view girls who work in El Centro.[/QUOTE]It's not Rocket Science brother Moon.

There's definitely a large amount of girls that work both areas.

Some work every day at both, some a little here, a little there.

It's fluid.

I know them, I see them, some even laugh about the different prices they charge.

It's reality.

Not a big deal.

I don't blame a guy if he likes to hang in Lleras, snag a girl there.

Better atmosphere, party scene, safe, etc.

El Centro is not comfortable for everyone obviously.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2907731]The premise behind the theory that Poblado streetwalkers are just the girls from El Centro is that guys are overpaying for the same guys that I am paying 50 mil to. I'm so smart, you're so stupid. That theory works if it were true. There is definitely a lot of "I am so smart, you are a simp" bragging going on here and that is just the way many guy are. If it were true, we should all go down to El Centro instead because why should you pay much more when they can pay 50 mil? If it were true.

Now, I would admit that some guys believe that the Poblado girls are higher quality and some of the girls are also working in El Centro but it is up to the guy to assess the type of girl that he is taking. I personally have not seen too many girls that I would take in El Centro.[/QUOTE]Yeah, a lot of losers on here who want to believe that get the same quality for less. It is not always true but for the most part, you get what you pay for.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2907737]Crowds shouting 'gringos puteros go home', burning shit and pestering guys in Lleras. Feminists apparently.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/C5kJ_GVN-cf/[/URL] Fun and games.[/QUOTE]Probably a fugly bunch of feminists that hates what eliminates their chances of get laid because of the sex trade.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2907731]I will tell you this story of a Facebook girl who warned me not to see one of her friends and told me that her friend was an El Centro puta, or El Centro working girl as if that was the lowest of the low and I would not want to see such a girl. That is some indication of how some girls view girls who work in El Centro.[/QUOTE]That is done by chicks everywhere the same as it is done by dudes in this forum. I got my "sugar baby" from seeking so she is better than your puta from parque lleras. Meanwhile the chicks on seeking do not see themselves as "putas", but see the chicks downtown as dirty, nasty, "putas;" nevermind all of them are getting paid to fuck. So as humans do, they want to make some kind of hierarchy or try to differentiate doing the same damn thing, selling pussy.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2907866]These Colombian guys don't like foreigners with lots of money banging their girls and hiking prices. It was bound to start sometime.[/QUOTE]Probably not them that are protesting. There are a lot of people, probably many of the middle and upper class people, many women, that don't like sex tourism, don't like their young-uns being marketed to sex tourists, and generally see the foreigners as the problem. Even some people that work in businesses in Parque Lleras are disgusted by a lot of what goes on.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2907731]The premise behind the theory that Poblado streetwalkers are just the girls from El Centro is that guys are overpaying for the same guys that I am paying 50 mil to. I'm so smart, you're so stupid. That theory works if it were true. There is definitely a lot of "I am so smart, you are a simp" bragging going on here and that is just the way many guy are. If it were true, we should all go down to El Centro instead because why should you pay much more when they can pay 50 mil? If it were true.

Now, I would admit that some guys believe that the Poblado girls are higher quality and some of the girls are also working in El Centro but it is up to the guy to assess the type of girl that he is taking. I personally have not seen too many girls that I would take in El Centro.

I will tell you this story of a Facebook girl who warned me not to see one of her friends and told me that her friend was an El Centro puta, or El Centro working girl as if that was the lowest of the low and I would not want to see such a girl. That is some indication of how some girls view girls who work in El Centro.[/QUOTE]For the most part many of them are the same girls who work in El Centro or atleast previously at one time worked in El Centro, especially the Venezuelans.

As far as the difference in price, and I think Flying J touched on this recently, in Poblado you are getting a hour or more versus in Centro it's a half hour or even less if you go to the wrong hotel. In Poblado they often dress up more wearing prettier dresses, etc.

And in Poblado it is a foreign clientele vs. In Centro it's mainly a local clientele, so that is what causes the difference in price, but yes many of the do or have worked in El Centro.

I'm in Parque Lleras now. The 1 am closing is over. First time here. The drink prices are crazy. Seem like the prices get higher the closer to the weekend it gets. Paid $20 for a greygoose and cranberry in MonteCarlo, the club on top of Black Diamond. My drink is more expensive at Black Diamond and cheapest in Gustos.

Pretty much this area is a tourist trap when it comes to prices.

The girls are all out. It looks good for a Thursday. Even Wednesday was pretty good.

Had a very good breakfast at Sweet Georgia's.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2907895]I'm in Parque Lleras now. The 1 am closing is over. First time here. The drink prices are crazy. Seem like the prices get higher the closer to the weekend it gets. Paid $20 for a greygoose and cranberry in MonteCarlo, the club on top of Black Diamond. My drink is more expensive at Black Diamond and cheapest in Gustos.

Pretty much this area is a tourist trap when it comes to prices.

The girls are all out. It looks good for a Thursday. Even Wednesday was pretty good.

Had a very good breakfast at Sweet Georgia's.[/QUOTE]Are you sure the clubs are open past 1 am, and if so, what time are they closing? Reports were the mayor was pissed and this was supposed to happen for 6 months. Good news if that is the case though.
On another note, yes, drinks are very expensive at the clubs so if you want to save money you can drink before you go, buy a bottle with 2 friends for 200, go out of the club and buy drinks next door at those mini market type liquor stores, or stick with beer. Just giving tips.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2907830]Ok guys, it's been a LONG time since I have written a report, but I will do my best to outline this for everyone on what I think is useful I have learned in the past 5 or so years. Also, for haters or the "I don't believe you" crowd out there. Save it, I don't come to ISG often, I won't waste time with replying to nonsense. [B]My next trip to MDE will be from 4/28 - 5/3[/B]. If you are not an FNG and have made contributions to this board, please reach out and I'm happy to buy you a beer or share a bottle with you one night at a club.

[B][U] Flights [/U][/B]
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I have been flying to MDE now for 5+ years, and I can tell you without a doubt that Spirit sucks, but is great for MDE trips. If you are coming from the S.East USA, then fly Spirit through Miami or FLL. Outside of that, both American does direct flights and Delta does a flight that connects through Bogota. I will usually fly 1st class. / Delta 1 and prices are creeping up. It used to be $600 ish and now D1 is creeping up to $1200 or more. Plan ahead, and look forward to a good sex trip. At any given point, I like to have 4-5 trips ahead planned so I can manage my personal and work life around my mongering life. If you don't know about "Scotts Cheap Flights" which is now called "Going", I suggest you sign up. I have booked tickets almost a year in advance with this service and mongered now in 20+ countries flying in first class on the cheap cost with their help. Thank me later once you snag your first trans-ocean business class flight for under 1 k USD.

The MDE airport is easy. Customs line can be hit or miss, 5 minutes, or 2 hours. Be ready and get there fast to avoid a long wait if you are not on the front of the plane. Just be polite, say tourism, and provide the address of your hotel if they ask. Don't chat, just answer their question and move on. Walk through the Duty Free (Rappi has better prices) and get your luggage. Pick up is right outside. I suggest the white colored cabs. They are official airport cabs, and cost like 20mil more. (100 k from MDE airport to Poblado). Once you know the city and get a few good InDrive or Uber drivers, I get their numbers and now I have a book of guys who I will tell I'm coming into town and see who is available for a pick up at 1/2 the price.
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[B][U] Hotels / AirBnB [/U][/B]
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I have to apologize. The Hotel Marriott on Calle 1aSur [B] USED TO BE[/B] the best hotel in all of Medellin to bring girls. Apparently I was cited as one of the largest reasons it no longer is. I am a 19+ year Ambassador level and the note I got from the GM: The parade of women, working girls and party girls though our hotel lobby [B]HAS[/B] to stop, we value your status and you are welcome in the hotel, but perhaps consider another location for your personal activities. I have stayed there 50+ times in the last 5 years (including over 200 days in a row during COVID) and I can without a doubt tell you that if you use a blacklight on any room on the 4th floor pool level, or the presidential suite, it will look like a Jackson Pollock painting because of me.

They still allow "1 guest per day", but I was used to bringing in 5+ girls AT A TIME. If you ever went to La Isla and "saw that asshole who brought 5+ girls TO THE STRIP CLUB", that might have been me. (If he was handsome and dressed in Versace). The hotel is still ABSOLUTELY number one for overall value. The rooms are amazing, pool view is incredible, Nau Sushi Bar and The Market food are outstanding, and the executive lounge food and service is top notch. Also, I might be biased considering I have fucked no less than 20 of their employees as well.

Now I stay in AirBnB. I have stayed everywhere from Poblado, Laurelles to Belen. There are tons of amazing ones, no problems with guests and the occasional security who wants a small bribe but it's good for safety when you get someone who is vigilant. I would share my favorites for AirBnBs, but I don't want you all taking them. Just don't be CHEAP and find a nice 2-3 bedroom so you can lock your shit up and still have girls crash over. I have a 5 bedroom, penthouse I like to rent in Poblado that has a rooftop pool that is less per night than a single night at the Marriott.
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[B][U] Money / Culture / Poverty [/U][/B]
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USD is king around the world, and can be used here, but COP is the way to go. Dont bother bringing cash, get it all from one of two places: Colpatria ATM if you are in Bogota, or Scotia Bank ATM in Medellin. I can take our 4-5M COP a day with no issues from my accounts, fees are low, and you get market rate exchange. Almost everywhere takes a Visa card and its safe for the most part if you are not an idiot putting your card through a skimmer; Bring cash with you at all times for girls, street food and street fucks so you have a limit. NEVER bring cards to a strip club - bad idea. Get cash, and give yourself a limit before you go.

The COP has been rising drastically in the past 2 years, so Colombia is not as cheap as it used to be, but its still one of the best places in the world to fuck for amazing prices. (That is not in Asia). Dont be a cheap ass, and dont haggle girls who are already offering low prices for their services they dont WANT to fuck you, but NEED to fuck you since they want to eat. For the higher end girls, negotiate these all day - these girls are modern day HUSTLERS and the same girl charging me 200mil COP to me for TLN with BBFS CIP will ask for 800mil from you if they think they can get it. Be fair, but firm. Know what you want/are able to, and know there are girls that you can fuck in that price range.

This is a city where [B] MOST[/B] people would be considered impoverished. The average Colombian from the many I know, dated, fucked and am now unofficially related to, have been telling me the average MONTHLY salary is around 1. 5 M COP. $400 USD [B]OR WAYYYYY LESS[/B] That being said, you can go to MDE on ANY budget, but here is what I consider to be my "reasonable" My daily budget for girls is about 1M COP. I like all girls from the "el centro" girls for the quick 48 mil COP blowjob to the higher end professional types. I have spend 100 mil in a day, or 20 M in a day and had just a good a time. Set yourself a budget, and splurge when reasonable.

The culture for many in Colombia is "gift me as much as possible", "ask for things" and "pretend offense or hurt if you don't get it all". You have to learn that many folks there are literally poorer than you will EVER be, so they will push HARD to get ANYTHING and EVERYTHING they can from you. Even some of my girls who are 5+ years friendships will try the occasional hustle, and I remind them I love them, and "I will pray for you, that is better than money" and they remember who they are dealing with. I'm not cheap, in fact it's the opposite, I'm [b]SUPER[/b] generous to my girls that is why I have so many. But after a few wives (at least they THOUGHT we were married) and too many girlfriends, I have the hang of things to keep the balance of generosity, but not stupid.
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[B][U] Working / Language [/U][/B]
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I loved Medellin so much I opened not one, but two businesses there. TONS of positive reasons to do this from tax write offs to employing in some way some of my far too numerous girlfriends (and wives). I still have them there, so if you are in software and feel like reaching out, send me a PM. Colombia is a GREAT place for digital nomads. You could go the visa route, but I'm never there more than 90 days. Most places have free wifi and most girls are almost always "sin datos" on their phone.

LEARN SPANISH. THEN learn Paisa. Go there as a gringo and not make basic attempts to speak will be met with "I am going to hustle this person" attitude. Think about it. Someone shows up in your state, speaks some foreign language at you and expects you to just use the translator. Fuck that. Spanish is [B]EASY[/B] to learn. Duolingo. Girls will think its cute, and you will get 10 x better fun, sex, friends. Everyone who goes and doesn't speak Spanish. Expect gringo tax, and gringo prices. Plain and simple.
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[B][U] Clubs [/U][/B]
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If you dont like Reggaeton, Rap, or Electronica, too fucking bad. That is what 95% of the girls who fuck for money like. Put on what they like, go where they like, and you will have a better time. My favorite clubs are as follows:
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[b] El Poblado - Icono Club[/b] This place has some of the best DJs and is one of the more expensive clubs to go to. Keep in mind electronica clubs here are just tables people stand around and drink/do drugs. They are VERY different than other parts of the world. Text WhatsApp ahead and the DJ list and pricing for the night. Some nights are buy 1 get one 1 free bottles. These are the nights you offer to bring your girl and all her friends. Just let them know that to come out and drink/do drugs sex is expected and you will tip them well if its good. I will usually do 200mil COP each + taxi for a girl who stays all night and if I fucked her. If I didnt fuck her, its just taxi money.


[b]Calle 45 - El Cielo The Heaven Club:[/b] This is a barrio club - DO NOT GO HERE unless you have locals with you and you speak amazing Spanish. Im not saying its not safe, Im saying you will just be an asshole for bringing your gringo ass to their club. These clubs will literally be empty until 1am and all of a sudden be full of girls all high as fuck around the tables. Picking up a girl in a club like this is not the goal - the goal is to go and have fun, get high and dance. You might get a few WhatsApp numbers, but best to bring girls there and go back and fuck later. Calle 45 is amazing and has TONS of clubs, restaurants, and more, but its very local. Once you feel local there, you are officially Paisa.


[b]Las Palmas - La Isla[/b] - This is a gringo strip-club, through and through. Expect almost ALL the girls to be cosmetically enhanced, and expect them all to ask you for 1M+ COP for sex. They will ask 600mil COP the next day once you get their WhatsApp and settle for 400mil or less. [b]I ALWAYS ALWAYS[/b] show up to the strip club with at least 2-3 girls. This lets all girls know right away he already has girls to fuck, so hustling him is not going to happen. I will ask them to sit down with my girls, share champagne, and then get their numbers. Tell them you can come party with us after if you want and 2/3rds of the time I will get the I get off at 2am, where should I meet at reply. If these girls dont get a client, they will come out to drink and potentially get a tip from you later if they think it will happen. This is why I always keep my room stocked with about 50+ cans of JP champagne, Smirnoff Ice, Pedialyte and candy. I forgot to mention, CANDY. When girls use drugs, their bodies will metabolize sugars REALLY fast, and they [b]fucking love[/b] candy. Ever wonder why so many girls are sucking on a lolly pop in Medellin? Its not just so you can imagine getting your dick sucked, but most of them are high as fuck and enjoying the sugar.


[b]Fase2[/b] - Its a locals strip club - the girls will try to hustle you if you are not Colombian or know better. Most of the girls there are bigger, but its a cool place to go and chill with a bottle of Jack. I will have girls come sit on my lap and feel them up for an overpriced drink, but its a nice chill spot. They no NOT allow smoking inside.


[b]Parque Lleras[/b] - threre a tons of clubs here. They will all try to pull you in and offer free XYZ or free admission. Never pay a penny to go in those clubs (except Gusto, which is 50mil COP). I like many of the clubs, and I will say YMMV based on the night of the week, amount of guys/girls there, holidays, etc. I go to PL to party, and if I dont pull a girl home, Im not upset. I like getting a bottle and having 30+ girls trying to make eye contact with me all night. I can tell within 30 seconds of them sitting down if they will stay or not, I pull the up close, get them a drink, and go for a first kiss. If its not full of passion and tongue, I let them stay until the drink is over, touching their body of course, and then say thank you nicely and they leave.
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[B][U] Girls / Pricing [/U][/B]

[B]OK - finally the section you have been waiting for[/B] Girls in MDE I would put into these categories below. (Also, I'm listing prices for me, YMMV. I'm mid-40's, attractive, well built, dress well and I'm wealthy). Sorry to those of you who are not, life is not fucking fair, get over it.
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[b][u]What you should know about Colombia girls/women [/u][/b]
They will show up late, EVERY FUCKING TIME. NEVER EVER EVER EVER WAIT for a Colombia girl, as you will get angry, it will be 2 hours later, they are still in traffic which means they havent left yet, etc. Those girls have no concept of a real life with priorities and schedules etc (what do you expect of a 19 year old prostitute?). Just be ready for them to be late, and if your time is that important, tell them 30/60 minutes AHEAD of when you need to see them. Once you know a girl well you can say show up on time or I will pay less and then they get the picture. (They will still be late, but less late). Also, send girls away if they dont come DRESSED TO IMPRESS. If a girl shows up not arranged, then send their ass away. A girls cultural and social value in Colombia is EXTREMELY based on their femininity. If they dont show up looking amazing as fuck, tell them to go back and arrange if they want to see you again. (Unless you are going in the pool or something, and then I tell them to bring all their shit to shower and arrange afterwards before we go out)

Keep in mind a lot of these girls will schedule guys IN BETWEEN your visit and another, so if they are running late, they may have another guys dick in them. This is why I always like to invite 2-3 girls so if they are late, I tell them dont bother or have them meet me after I have fucked and they get 1/3 of the money, etc. I used to sit and wait, and get angry about girls and the culture like this now I have learned to adapt and simply flow with it. Never wait to eat for them eat and then when they show up (if they do on time) you order their food. If they are on the way ask them to share their WhatsApp location with you if they dont, they are not on the way.


[b][u]Overall Tips [/u][/b]
Treat girls LIKE HUMAN BEINGS. Have drinks, small snacks, and other niceties in your room and its far better than show up and fuck. A basic trip to the grocery store for what costs next to nothing will give you a 10x better experience, plus, likely to make the girl WANT to be with you. I cant count the times girls will smile and blush when I offer them champagne and order in pizza before smash that young pussy all night :). Girls like to pose in your fancy room for pictures to show off as status to their friends - so what would have been a quick 30 min fuck turns into 3 hours of her there with me taking videos of her, fucking her multiples times, getting her to show me her friends for raw-threesomes and planning to go to a club that night to dance and bring home her whole pack of girlies. Nothing like waking up in the morning to 4-5 girls passed out in bed. I always tell them I like morning sex, so if you wake up with me fucking you, dont be surprised. Uffff sleepy sex :) Some of them will just lay there until you finish and go back to sleep with your cum inside them. SO DAMN HOT.


[b][u]Street Walkers [/u][/b]
- These are the girls you will find in el-centro. Some of these girls fuck the NASTIEST guys (and are NASTY girls themselves). YOU NEED TO WEAR A CONDOM if you go with these girls for sex. Asking price is usually 40-50mil COP for FULL SEX. Dont expect fancy, but you can find the occasional diamond in the rough down there. I like to go to el-centro to eat lunch, buy clothes/shoes/etc and then get a nice long BJ. I will ask to see their smile/teeth and then ass. All I care about is that head bobbing up and down on my dick while I look at their ass in the thong. For a $12 mid-day lunch blow-job, you cant beat it. I dont recommend anything more with these girls, and they are literally ULTRA high volume. (Before you guys tell me some girls go to Lleras that work in el-centro- yep, I know that, but the caliber of street girls who have seen 20,000 dicks in their life and a Lleras girl who is 18-23 and fucking because they want some new sneakers are different). Average looks I would say are 4/5 out of 10.


[b][u]Parque Lleras (PL) / Bar girls [/u][/b]
Fuck [b]BEFORE[/b] you to to Parque Lleras and then you wont be ready to fuck the first girl who smiles at you. This is a party spot for gringo and people with moderate/lots of money. Expect girls ranging from 5 all the way to 10 here. They stand in the parque, go inside the clubs, work in the clubs (Gusto) and literally [b]ANY[/b] girl in PL is available to fuck. I have fucked more than one waitress, server, the girl selling drinks in the street, etc. That is why they are there. The earlier in the night, the higher price you will get; I suggest going between 9pm - 11pm. Go into a club, buy a bottle and drink, dance and enjoy kissing tons of girls. Talk to them, share your drugs with them (or them with you), have a good time and then around 1am THEN you ask them if they want to leave with you. Most girls will ask for 400-600mil, but most will accept 200-400mil depending upon what you want once its late.

If a girl in the PL wants to leave to fuck quickly, service will be rushed, and they are looking to return to the parque for more clients. Maybe you want a quick smash/dash, and that is fine, but if you do, tell them it will be quick so only 100-200mil. Most girls in PL will do BBJ but ask for a condom for sex - this is actually good since they want to stay clean :). Girls who do no-condom very easy Im [b]very suspicious of[/b] (I might still do it though :). Girls who ask for condom sex will usually take it off for another 200mil. If I find a beautiful girl who I can tell who has not had a lot of mileage, Im wanting BBFS for sure and likely will CIP or facial them. Get their WhatsApp, and repeat with these girls before they go to the park and prices come down :).

But YYZ, how can you tell? After 25+ years of doing this I can just tell.. Simple signs are a girl who has normal (or less prostitutey) clothes, and non-VS panties, non-stripper heels and looks like she might be a bit shy or nervous, uff those are my types.

[b][u]Independents / Prepagos[/u][/b]
Most of these girls got started through FB of some online site. (PhotoPrepagos, etc). These are girls who are 5-9 in looks, and range from under the legal age to 25ish. They will advertise somewhere and have a giant list of gringos / foreigners they have already fucked for repeat business. Ever wonder what 1/2 of the girls are doing on their phone while you are out at a club? They are doing 1 of 2 things: [b]MOST LIKLEY[/b] posting sexy pictures or angles of them in a club to show how great their life is to their friends, etc. Secondarily its looking at all the other status of the girls to then ask if they can come and party/get paid. These girls are my favorite as once you get a few you like, you get their friends numbers, and your book grows from 3 girls to 700+ after a few years. I checked my contacts this morning and I have over 700 girls in my WhatsApp with the PP prefix in front of it :)

A lot of these girls have become my friends in real life, and when I come in town they come over to chill at the pool, take nice pictures, or just want me to take them out to dinner and fuck them. These girls will ask 300-400 COP AN HOUR, and pricing will all depend upon your looks, age, style, where you are staying, Spanish ability, etc. The more you know them, you will stabilize at usually 400 for TLN + small pleasantries, but that is a tiny price to pay for a girl who is most likely still in high-school / trade school there. REMEMBER to check ID, you dont need to be going to prison over snatch when Medellin is literally the easiest place on the planet to get good pussy.

These are the girls I will go to Victorias secret before I travel and buy all the XS panties in the sale bin. Like 50+ pair. I get TONS of gift bags/boxes and my room is covered in VS boxes. I have had more than a few fall for me romantically, and I have fallen for more than a few of them myself romantically. At any given point, I probably am saying I love you to about 8-9 girls each morning. Hard not to when you wake up at 2am with a 19 year old beauty sucking your dick and sincerly asking me to give them a baby. I have never had to such passionate and good sex when these girls catch feelings for you, and you for them.

[b][u]Massage Girls[/u][/b]
These are the girls who work at the massage parlor, who also escort on the side. You will overpay for sub-par quiet in-house massage parlor sex. Medellin is so open about prostitution, that doing it clandestine is the most likely way to get a bad deal. Go to a legit massage place, get a nice massage, and if you like the girl, ask for WhatsApp and if she gives it to you, then you negotiate price later. You can get a solid REAL massage, and then sex for less money than you likely paid the massage place in the first place. For a REAL massage + Deep cleansing Facial + Sex 400-700mil is a good price. Im talking about the girls who show up in uniform, have all their own tools, bring a massage table, and later you bareback the shit out of that pussy that is something I will pay 700mil COP for. These girls are usually 23 - 35 and still beautiful since they are so hung up on looks as their profession. [b]ALL OF THEM[/b] have their own cosmetology business outside of work, and want to make it on my own since the spas there take 70% off the top from them and they provide all the services.

[b][u]Facebook / Online[/u][/b]
Just like TikTok was created to watch teens dance sexy (god bless this application), Facebook is Colombia is like the yellow-pages for Prepagos. Here is how this works. Make yourself a fake account (use your real account and one day gaurentteed you are going to get blackmailed). Once you have a fake account search for Medallo or Medellin in the search bar and look for girls who have an open friend list and all the girls are ridiculously hot. Add about 20-30 per day (overadd and you will get quick banned). Then you just watch all their statuses and the girls who are posting 1/2 naked pics or thong bathing suit pictures in the mirror - there you go. Send them an hola amor and if they reply back - you can ask for a date, tell them you want to see them, and boom - you are connected. Make sure to see an ID if you are not 10000% sure they are overage, Colombian Cops and even the US are using FB as their primary go-to for entrapment of guys for underage sex. Once you get one good solid girl, you add all her friends, and then their friends, and all of a sudden you have 4000+ girls in Medellin. Its like a buffet of young and for-sale vagina.

Keep in mind - filters are a powerful thing. Make sure you look at lots of pics of the girls to get past the instagram sparkle photo you fell in love with.

[b][u]Non-Pros / Normal Colombian Girls / Etc[/u][/b]
Sex on a first date with a normal Colombia girl is about 75% expected. I have fucked every girl under the sun from receptionists at the Marriott, to Juan Valdez girls, to attorneys, etc. Its a very sex forward culture, and if you manage to get a real date, as long as you are not an ugly cheapskate douchebag, you will score sex on date 1. Here is usually my playbook.
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[b]*[/b] Im out at a mall and I see an amazing girl working in a clothing store. I look around and tell here Im looking to buy something nice for my mother (or sister) and you get points right away.
[b]*[/b] You thank them for helping you, and say maybe they would just like flowers instead. They think its sweet and you still get to talk to them.
[b]*[/b] You say I usually never do this type of thing, but would you be open for a drink or dinner? You are just really beautiful and Im new to Colombia If they give you their WhatsApp number, boom, you just got a date.
[b]*[/b] Dont be too eager - ask them to text you that night or the next day and arrange something like this. I loved meeting you at ZYX store - how about insert popular dinner place at 7:30pm? While you are there, tell them you have an amazing bottle of wine (or beers if they are drinking beers) at your place and you can go back and listen to music and learn more about each other.
[b]*[/b] If her shoes come off - you are going to fuck. Simple as that. If a girl keeps her shoes on once she is inside (unless you have a dirty ass floor), she is not expecting to take her pants off. Shoes off, pants off.
[b]*[/b] Put on music SHE likes - almost all Colombians like Reggaeton (or Reggetaon Viejo), electronica or traditional Colombian music. Stand up to dance (even if you cant and after 20 seconds - boom, move in to kiss).
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[B][U] Cosmetic Surgery / Health [/U][/B]
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Thats right, you read that header correctly. Colombias NUMBER FUCKING TWO export is elective surgery. I have had two hair transplants, gastric surgery, teeth fixes, etc, etc. I literally look 15 years younger, and feel 10x better. Its on average 1/3 the price of the USA and the quality of both care and doctors are better. Every single trip I will get a cleaning facial, vitamin c injection, plasma for my hair, botox, teeth whitening, deep tissue massages are more the only place on earth probably better for low cost and high quality spa-treatments is Pattaya Thailand.

Did you know that girls like fucking men who are more attractive and not lazy slobs? Dress well (in fake brand clothes of course you buy down in el centro), take care of yourself, and all of a sudden you will have girls [b]WANTING[/b] to be with you, vs [red]WILLING[/red] to be with you for money. Unlike my drug contacts, these contacts Im happy to share with you - PM me if you are interested and not just looking to waste my time. Google search first, and prove you are not just some rando looking for something they will never use and I will happily share details, pricing and more with you if you are serious about getting into better health. Best thing you can do for your sex life is to be active and in shape. I know we go for vacation to fuck, but guys, take the time to workout everyday, (even if its just walking). If you are there long periods of time, join a gym and stare at all the young girls in spandex. Seriously, just get outside and start moving. Your body will thank you.

Vitamins - I know this is an odd thing - but Im telling you this: There are some meds that I just wont travel without:[indent]
[b]Sunflower Lecithin[/b] - this stuff comes in HUGE horse pills, and taste disgusting. But when paired with 25mg of Zinc you will literally boost your cum production 5x. I like to be able to paint a girls face proper. The more cum you make, the better your orgasm. Plain and simple.
[b]PrEP[/b] - this is a prescription medication that is an ANTI-HIV / blocker. If you are barebacking girls in high volume (or any volume), I strongly recommend it.
[b]DoxyCycline[/b] - this stuff in combination with PrEP is known to block almost all other STDs / STIS.
[b]HPV vaccine[/b] - if you dont have this (its a series of 3 vaccines- fucking get it. Makes you immune to HPV.
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The goal here is to fuck as much raw as possible and protect yourself from getting sick. Im also fixed so I dont worry about babies, but guys, these girls are poor as it is, [b]if you make a baby, take care of it. If you dont - youre a trash terrible person and I hope you burn in hell[/b]. Babies are Gods gift to this earth.

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[B][U] Drugs [/U][/B]
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I won't go into the section too much since honestly, I don't recommend using drugs to anyone. I use them from time to time, but only in Colombia. What I will tell you is most younger working girls will perform 2 x as good on Tussi, and it will turn a 1 hour session into 3-4 hours of animal BBFS and passion if you get good stuff. Get your contacts from the girls. The going rate is 65-80 mil COP cada punto. Any less you should not pay as it's either not real, or dangerously cut with fentenol. The only drugs at all I recommend are Tussi, Ecstasy tabs and Coke. Everything else in MDE is trash and likely to get you killed.
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[B][U] Caution / Danger [/U][/B]
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There are a lot of very poor, very bad and very desperate people when it comes to poverty. If I was poor, would I feel bad about drugging a gringo so I could sell his overpriced phone to get money to feed my kids? You bet your life. I have gone to Colombia more than most people on the forum, and I have NEVER had an issue. Here is what I suggest.
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[b]*[/b] Put your stuff away. This means when you leave your place, ALWAYS think you might be bringing a girl back. Put your computer away, fancy toiletries, etc. (Girls will steal your cologne in a heart beat if they think they can get away with it). I know its a pain, but this is why I will get 2/3/4 bedrooms and just lock doors. Until I trust a girl, which takes a while there, I dont ever leave them alone in my place.

[b]*[/b] Don't "dar papaya". This means. Don't ask to get robbed. Don't walk around with your $1500 US cell phone out snapping pictures like an idiot.

[b]*[/b] Don't pull out big money in public. Keep small amounts in one pocket- and your larger amount in a zipper pocket and shift money in private.

[b]*[/b] Wear fake jewelry. Most Colombians are anyways, so you will fit in more with a fake Gucci shirt than you will with your idiotic NFL shirt. That is just advertising to get mugged.

[b]*[/b] Wear a crossbody bag. Keep your shit in front of you in a bag that clips / straps over your body and you are 100x harder to rob.

[b]*[/b] If a girl is not willing to send you a copy of her ID or let you see it / take a picture. WALK AWAY. There are 1000x other hot girls less than 10 minutes away.

[b]*[/b] Girls you just met like to offer threesomes as it's 1/2 the work for the same money EACH, and they are safer with a friend. If a girl brings a friend along that you didn't ask for, it's to hustle you. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

[b]*[/b] Make sure you take PREP and cycle antibiotics. Girls will say they are clean, but the 5 guys they fucked before might have been lying. I have BBed over 800 girls in MDE and still clean to this day. Prep+Doxycycline pretty much makes you immune to STDS. (Sure it ruins your liver, but fuck livers).

[b]*[/b]Remember that Colombia mongering life IS NOT REAL. Don't get sucked into the hype. Your life at home is your life. Once you can't stop thinking about mongering, you have gone too far.

[b]*[/b] GET ID! GET ID! GET ID! Colombia police LOVE busting guys for child trafficking. There have been so many hotels closed and guys going to jail in the news recently, you need to be hyper aware here. I have met girls as YOUNG AS [B]11 years old[/B] with 10+ tattoos who could pass for 17/18 who are already working the streets. GUYS. DON'T FUCK LITTLE KIDS. Dont say its the culture there - they are doing it out of desperation. [b][red]There is a SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL FOR YOU IF YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF / ABUSE CHILDREN[/b][/red]

[/indent]I have been in the best parts, and I guarantee you the WORST parts of Colombia. I MARRIED into a VERY poor family and have seen true desperation and children going hungry. Even then they were some of the KINDEST people I have ever met. Don't be an asshole, be good to humans, and don't be an idiot and you should be ok.
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[B][U] Relationships [/U][/B]
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I can't count the number of times I have fallen in love in Colombia. Like REAL romantic love. I [b]MARRIED[/b] one girl (there are a lot of posts about her in this very forum including great nudes of her too)(I still fucked everything that moved), but I loved this girl with all my heart. I have 10+ girls who I love like little sisters (I still fuck them), but I help them with clothes for school, birthday gifts, have met their families, been to weddings, funerals, Christmas at their house and more. Colombians are some of the most passionate and warm people in the world (probably only 2nd to Brazil). If you are single, you are VERY likely to fall in love - if you do fall in love... [b]please[/b] don't make the mistake I made (will continue to make). Just be honest, tell them you like fucking lots of women, and you will find a girl there who will let you fuck everyone and anyone and still love you (if you take care of her and. her family). Word of warning here: I have NEVER seen a hot Colombian woman over 45 years old. These girls AGE HARD. If you are going to get into a relationship, AIM YOUNG (18-23) and you will be dead before they get ugly.
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[B][U] Food / Rappi [/U][/B]
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Some of the very best food can be found in Colombia! Dont just limit yourself to hotel food, but explore out there and look up good restaurants. Everything from fresh chicharron, to mazorca, to arepas con salsa aji fresco. Guys, even if you are not a foodie you should be eating like a king when in Colombia. I recommend [b]Desayunadero[/b] for all you Poblado guys. They have an amazing breakfast/brunch and its an amazing portion. Dont overeat, and make sure you get the food to go to give to homeless people outside vs it just going into the garbage. There other places like Collosal, Oudres Carnes de Res, La Matriaca and more.


[b]Rappi[/b] - Rappi is fucking amazing for food delivery, alcohol delivery, CASH delivery from ATMS and more. I use it every country they have it, and [b]WISH[/b] they had it in the USA. Uber fucking sucks, dont try to compare it. I can order a burger and beer from Rappi in Medellin and have it [b]in my hands[/b] in less than 10 minutes with Rappi turbo. This is great for ordering girls food / alcohol and not waiting forever. You would be amazed and what 40mil COP burger and fries will do.
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[B][u]I dont what category this goes in / Rants [/u][/B]
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GUYS - [b]GROOM YOUR FUCKING DICK[/b]. I cant believe the number of guys who dont do this - the stories I hear from these girls. Keep the hair short, shave your dick and balls and make it look fucking presentable. Holy shit, you would think this is common knowledge, and guys want a nice and clean pussy, but have a gross as crotch themselves. HOLY SHIT guys, seriously. [b]GIRLS TALK TOO[/b]. The number of you guys on here that girls talk about with the fat white guy belly, or Indians never shave their balls or some other nonsense. Have good grooming and dont be that guy.

DO NOT RIP GIRLS OFF - I have heard horror stories from girls getting ripped off by gringos and it GIVES US ALL A BAD NAME. If you want pussy, PAY FOR IT. If you rip girls off - they will post pictures of you, and one day that is going to come back to haunt you 10000x harder.

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In closing. My years in Colombia have been some of the best of my life. I have become closer to God learning true religious culture. I have fucked literally 100's of women, had 3-somes, 4-somes, 5-somes, and FAR more once with 23 girls + me in a place in Guatape. The smell of vagina was HEAVENLY and one of my best memories in life. I have CIPed enough girls to literally have 200+ kids and I have met some of my very best friends in life there. I have had amazing times where I did too many drugs in a club and a girl would bring be home and her grandmother would make me soup, or been blessed with the chance to help a friend welcome a new baby into their world and attend family lunches, christenings and more. I'm godfather to countless kids, and I help families provide Christmas presented for their kids for Christmas. I have opened businesses there, I employ 85+ people now in Colombia and consider it to be my 2nd home on this planet and I'm part of that community. I'm more Paisa than most Colombians, the biggest difference being I'm pretty damn rich. I enjoy the expensive clubs in Poblado, and the barrio ones on calle 45.

The best advice I can give you, is go with someone who has gone before. Be open to seeing more than just the inside of a young girls panties, and you will have the time of your life. You will see kind people, beautiful women, amazing food, and best of all it will give you perspective into an amazing emerging culture in which you can be a part of. Cheers, and happy hunting!![/QUOTE]WOW, what a great post on summing up the scene in Medellin, and it really shows how well you know the scene and seems like your really are on a whole other level. I never even thought of the idea of bringing multiple girls just to party and then networking more or fucking the ones you like. You bring up a lot of good pointers also. 5 star review from me on this, LOL.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2907830]Ok guys, it's been a LONG time since I have written a report, but I will do my best to outline this for everyone on what I think is useful I have learned in the past 5 or so years. Also, for haters or the "I don't believe you" crowd out there. Save it, I don't come to ISG often, I won't waste time with replying to nonsense. [B]My next trip to MDE will be from 4/28 - 5/3[/B]. If you are not an FNG and have made contributions to this board, please reach out and I'm happy to buy you a beer or share a bottle with you one night at a club.

[B][U] Flights [/U][/B]
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I have been flying to MDE now for 5+ years, and I can tell you without a doubt that Spirit sucks, but is great for MDE trips. If you are coming from the S.East USA, then fly Spirit through Miami or FLL. Outside of that, both American does direct flights and Delta does a flight that connects through Bogota. I will usually fly 1st class. / Delta 1 and prices are creeping up. It used to be $600 ish and now D1 is creeping up to $1200 or more. Plan ahead, and look forward to a good sex trip. At any given point, I like to have 4-5 trips ahead planned so I can manage my personal and work life around my mongering life. If you don't know about "Scotts Cheap Flights" which is now called "Going", I suggest you sign up. I have booked tickets almost a year in advance with this service and mongered now in 20+ countries flying in first class on the cheap cost with their help. Thank me later once you snag your first trans-ocean business class flight for under 1 k USD.

The MDE airport is easy. Customs line can be hit or miss, 5 minutes, or 2 hours. Be ready and get there fast to avoid a long wait if you are not on the front of the plane. Just be polite, say tourism, and provide the address of your hotel if they ask. Don't chat, just answer their question and move on. Walk through the Duty Free (Rappi has better prices) and get your luggage. Pick up is right outside. I suggest the white colored cabs. They are official airport cabs, and cost like 20mil more. (100 k from MDE airport to Poblado). Once you know the city and get a few good InDrive or Uber drivers, I get their numbers and now I have a book of guys who I will tell I'm coming into town and see who is available for a pick up at 1/2 the price.
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[B][U] Hotels / AirBnB [/U][/B]
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I have to apologize. The Hotel Marriott on Calle 1aSur [B] USED TO BE[/B] the best hotel in all of Medellin to bring girls. Apparently I was cited as one of the largest reasons it no longer is. I am a 19+ year Ambassador level and the note I got from the GM: The parade of women, working girls and party girls though our hotel lobby [B]HAS[/B] to stop, we value your status and you are welcome in the hotel, but perhaps consider another location for your personal activities. I have stayed there 50+ times in the last 5 years (including over 200 days in a row during COVID) and I can without a doubt tell you that if you use a blacklight on any room on the 4th floor pool level, or the presidential suite, it will look like a Jackson Pollock painting because of me.

They still allow "1 guest per day", but I was used to bringing in 5+ girls AT A TIME. If you ever went to La Isla and "saw that asshole who brought 5+ girls TO THE STRIP CLUB", that might have been me. (If he was handsome and dressed in Versace). The hotel is still ABSOLUTELY number one for overall value. The rooms are amazing, pool view is incredible, Nau Sushi Bar and The Market food are outstanding, and the executive lounge food and service is top notch. Also, I might be biased considering I have fucked no less than 20 of their employees as well.

Now I stay in AirBnB. I have stayed everywhere from Poblado, Laurelles to Belen. There are tons of amazing ones, no problems with guests and the occasional security who wants a small bribe but it's good for safety when you get someone who is vigilant. I would share my favorites for AirBnBs, but I don't want you all taking them. Just don't be CHEAP and find a nice 2-3 bedroom so you can lock your shit up and still have girls crash over. I have a 5 bedroom, penthouse I like to rent in Poblado that has a rooftop pool that is less per night than a single night at the Marriott.
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[B][U] Money / Culture / Poverty [/U][/B]
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USD is king around the world, and can be used here, but COP is the way to go. Dont bother bringing cash, get it all from one of two places: Colpatria ATM if you are in Bogota, or Scotia Bank ATM in Medellin. I can take our 4-5M COP a day with no issues from my accounts, fees are low, and you get market rate exchange. Almost everywhere takes a Visa card and its safe for the most part if you are not an idiot putting your card through a skimmer; Bring cash with you at all times for girls, street food and street fucks so you have a limit. NEVER bring cards to a strip club - bad idea. Get cash, and give yourself a limit before you go.

The COP has been rising drastically in the past 2 years, so Colombia is not as cheap as it used to be, but its still one of the best places in the world to fuck for amazing prices. (That is not in Asia). Dont be a cheap ass, and dont haggle girls who are already offering low prices for their services they dont WANT to fuck you, but NEED to fuck you since they want to eat. For the higher end girls, negotiate these all day - these girls are modern day HUSTLERS and the same girl charging me 200mil COP to me for TLN with BBFS CIP will ask for 800mil from you if they think they can get it. Be fair, but firm. Know what you want/are able to, and know there are girls that you can fuck in that price range.

This is a city where [B] MOST[/B] people would be considered impoverished. The average Colombian from the many I know, dated, fucked and am now unofficially related to, have been telling me the average MONTHLY salary is around 1. 5 M COP. $400 USD [B]OR WAYYYYY LESS[/B] That being said, you can go to MDE on ANY budget, but here is what I consider to be my "reasonable" My daily budget for girls is about 1M COP. I like all girls from the "el centro" girls for the quick 48 mil COP blowjob to the higher end professional types. I have spend 100 mil in a day, or 20 M in a day and had just a good a time. Set yourself a budget, and splurge when reasonable.

The culture for many in Colombia is "gift me as much as possible", "ask for things" and "pretend offense or hurt if you don't get it all". You have to learn that many folks there are literally poorer than you will EVER be, so they will push HARD to get ANYTHING and EVERYTHING they can from you. Even some of my girls who are 5+ years friendships will try the occasional hustle, and I remind them I love them, and "I will pray for you, that is better than money" and they remember who they are dealing with. I'm not cheap, in fact it's the opposite, I'm [b]SUPER[/b] generous to my girls that is why I have so many. But after a few wives (at least they THOUGHT we were married) and too many girlfriends, I have the hang of things to keep the balance of generosity, but not stupid.
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[B][U] Working / Language [/U][/B]
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I loved Medellin so much I opened not one, but two businesses there. TONS of positive reasons to do this from tax write offs to employing in some way some of my far too numerous girlfriends (and wives). I still have them there, so if you are in software and feel like reaching out, send me a PM. Colombia is a GREAT place for digital nomads. You could go the visa route, but I'm never there more than 90 days. Most places have free wifi and most girls are almost always "sin datos" on their phone.

LEARN SPANISH. THEN learn Paisa. Go there as a gringo and not make basic attempts to speak will be met with "I am going to hustle this person" attitude. Think about it. Someone shows up in your state, speaks some foreign language at you and expects you to just use the translator. Fuck that. Spanish is [B]EASY[/B] to learn. Duolingo. Girls will think its cute, and you will get 10 x better fun, sex, friends. Everyone who goes and doesn't speak Spanish. Expect gringo tax, and gringo prices. Plain and simple.
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[B][U] Clubs [/U][/B]
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If you dont like Reggaeton, Rap, or Electronica, too fucking bad. That is what 95% of the girls who fuck for money like. Put on what they like, go where they like, and you will have a better time. My favorite clubs are as follows:
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[b] El Poblado - Icono Club[/b] This place has some of the best DJs and is one of the more expensive clubs to go to. Keep in mind electronica clubs here are just tables people stand around and drink/do drugs. They are VERY different than other parts of the world. Text WhatsApp ahead and the DJ list and pricing for the night. Some nights are buy 1 get one 1 free bottles. These are the nights you offer to bring your girl and all her friends. Just let them know that to come out and drink/do drugs sex is expected and you will tip them well if its good. I will usually do 200mil COP each + taxi for a girl who stays all night and if I fucked her. If I didnt fuck her, its just taxi money.


[b]Calle 45 - El Cielo The Heaven Club:[/b] This is a barrio club - DO NOT GO HERE unless you have locals with you and you speak amazing Spanish. Im not saying its not safe, Im saying you will just be an asshole for bringing your gringo ass to their club. These clubs will literally be empty until 1am and all of a sudden be full of girls all high as fuck around the tables. Picking up a girl in a club like this is not the goal - the goal is to go and have fun, get high and dance. You might get a few WhatsApp numbers, but best to bring girls there and go back and fuck later. Calle 45 is amazing and has TONS of clubs, restaurants, and more, but its very local. Once you feel local there, you are officially Paisa.


[b]Las Palmas - La Isla[/b] - This is a gringo strip-club, through and through. Expect almost ALL the girls to be cosmetically enhanced, and expect them all to ask you for 1M+ COP for sex. They will ask 600mil COP the next day once you get their WhatsApp and settle for 400mil or less. [b]I ALWAYS ALWAYS[/b] show up to the strip club with at least 2-3 girls. This lets all girls know right away he already has girls to fuck, so hustling him is not going to happen. I will ask them to sit down with my girls, share champagne, and then get their numbers. Tell them you can come party with us after if you want and 2/3rds of the time I will get the I get off at 2am, where should I meet at reply. If these girls dont get a client, they will come out to drink and potentially get a tip from you later if they think it will happen. This is why I always keep my room stocked with about 50+ cans of JP champagne, Smirnoff Ice, Pedialyte and candy. I forgot to mention, CANDY. When girls use drugs, their bodies will metabolize sugars REALLY fast, and they [b]fucking love[/b] candy. Ever wonder why so many girls are sucking on a lolly pop in Medellin? Its not just so you can imagine getting your dick sucked, but most of them are high as fuck and enjoying the sugar.


[b]Fase2[/b] - Its a locals strip club - the girls will try to hustle you if you are not Colombian or know better. Most of the girls there are bigger, but its a cool place to go and chill with a bottle of Jack. I will have girls come sit on my lap and feel them up for an overpriced drink, but its a nice chill spot. They no NOT allow smoking inside.


[b]Parque Lleras[/b] - threre a tons of clubs here. They will all try to pull you in and offer free XYZ or free admission. Never pay a penny to go in those clubs (except Gusto, which is 50mil COP). I like many of the clubs, and I will say YMMV based on the night of the week, amount of guys/girls there, holidays, etc. I go to PL to party, and if I dont pull a girl home, Im not upset. I like getting a bottle and having 30+ girls trying to make eye contact with me all night. I can tell within 30 seconds of them sitting down if they will stay or not, I pull the up close, get them a drink, and go for a first kiss. If its not full of passion and tongue, I let them stay until the drink is over, touching their body of course, and then say thank you nicely and they leave.
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[B][U] Girls / Pricing [/U][/B]

[B]OK - finally the section you have been waiting for[/B] Girls in MDE I would put into these categories below. (Also, I'm listing prices for me, YMMV. I'm mid-40's, attractive, well built, dress well and I'm wealthy). Sorry to those of you who are not, life is not fucking fair, get over it.
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[b][u]What you should know about Colombia girls/women [/u][/b]
They will show up late, EVERY FUCKING TIME. NEVER EVER EVER EVER WAIT for a Colombia girl, as you will get angry, it will be 2 hours later, they are still in traffic which means they havent left yet, etc. Those girls have no concept of a real life with priorities and schedules etc (what do you expect of a 19 year old prostitute?). Just be ready for them to be late, and if your time is that important, tell them 30/60 minutes AHEAD of when you need to see them. Once you know a girl well you can say show up on time or I will pay less and then they get the picture. (They will still be late, but less late). Also, send girls away if they dont come DRESSED TO IMPRESS. If a girl shows up not arranged, then send their ass away. A girls cultural and social value in Colombia is EXTREMELY based on their femininity. If they dont show up looking amazing as fuck, tell them to go back and arrange if they want to see you again. (Unless you are going in the pool or something, and then I tell them to bring all their shit to shower and arrange afterwards before we go out)

Keep in mind a lot of these girls will schedule guys IN BETWEEN your visit and another, so if they are running late, they may have another guys dick in them. This is why I always like to invite 2-3 girls so if they are late, I tell them dont bother or have them meet me after I have fucked and they get 1/3 of the money, etc. I used to sit and wait, and get angry about girls and the culture like this now I have learned to adapt and simply flow with it. Never wait to eat for them eat and then when they show up (if they do on time) you order their food. If they are on the way ask them to share their WhatsApp location with you if they dont, they are not on the way.


[b][u]Overall Tips [/u][/b]
Treat girls LIKE HUMAN BEINGS. Have drinks, small snacks, and other niceties in your room and its far better than show up and fuck. A basic trip to the grocery store for what costs next to nothing will give you a 10x better experience, plus, likely to make the girl WANT to be with you. I cant count the times girls will smile and blush when I offer them champagne and order in pizza before smash that young pussy all night :). Girls like to pose in your fancy room for pictures to show off as status to their friends - so what would have been a quick 30 min fuck turns into 3 hours of her there with me taking videos of her, fucking her multiples times, getting her to show me her friends for raw-threesomes and planning to go to a club that night to dance and bring home her whole pack of girlies. Nothing like waking up in the morning to 4-5 girls passed out in bed. I always tell them I like morning sex, so if you wake up with me fucking you, dont be surprised. Uffff sleepy sex :) Some of them will just lay there until you finish and go back to sleep with your cum inside them. SO DAMN HOT.


[b][u]Street Walkers [/u][/b]
- These are the girls you will find in el-centro. Some of these girls fuck the NASTIEST guys (and are NASTY girls themselves). YOU NEED TO WEAR A CONDOM if you go with these girls for sex. Asking price is usually 40-50mil COP for FULL SEX. Dont expect fancy, but you can find the occasional diamond in the rough down there. I like to go to el-centro to eat lunch, buy clothes/shoes/etc and then get a nice long BJ. I will ask to see their smile/teeth and then ass. All I care about is that head bobbing up and down on my dick while I look at their ass in the thong. For a $12 mid-day lunch blow-job, you cant beat it. I dont recommend anything more with these girls, and they are literally ULTRA high volume. (Before you guys tell me some girls go to Lleras that work in el-centro- yep, I know that, but the caliber of street girls who have seen 20,000 dicks in their life and a Lleras girl who is 18-23 and fucking because they want some new sneakers are different). Average looks I would say are 4/5 out of 10.


[b][u]Parque Lleras (PL) / Bar girls [/u][/b]
Fuck [b]BEFORE[/b] you to to Parque Lleras and then you wont be ready to fuck the first girl who smiles at you. This is a party spot for gringo and people with moderate/lots of money. Expect girls ranging from 5 all the way to 10 here. They stand in the parque, go inside the clubs, work in the clubs (Gusto) and literally [b]ANY[/b] girl in PL is available to fuck. I have fucked more than one waitress, server, the girl selling drinks in the street, etc. That is why they are there. The earlier in the night, the higher price you will get; I suggest going between 9pm - 11pm. Go into a club, buy a bottle and drink, dance and enjoy kissing tons of girls. Talk to them, share your drugs with them (or them with you), have a good time and then around 1am THEN you ask them if they want to leave with you. Most girls will ask for 400-600mil, but most will accept 200-400mil depending upon what you want once its late.

If a girl in the PL wants to leave to fuck quickly, service will be rushed, and they are looking to return to the parque for more clients. Maybe you want a quick smash/dash, and that is fine, but if you do, tell them it will be quick so only 100-200mil. Most girls in PL will do BBJ but ask for a condom for sex - this is actually good since they want to stay clean :). Girls who do no-condom very easy Im [b]very suspicious of[/b] (I might still do it though :). Girls who ask for condom sex will usually take it off for another 200mil. If I find a beautiful girl who I can tell who has not had a lot of mileage, Im wanting BBFS for sure and likely will CIP or facial them. Get their WhatsApp, and repeat with these girls before they go to the park and prices come down :).

But YYZ, how can you tell? After 25+ years of doing this I can just tell.. Simple signs are a girl who has normal (or less prostitutey) clothes, and non-VS panties, non-stripper heels and looks like she might be a bit shy or nervous, uff those are my types.

[b][u]Independents / Prepagos[/u][/b]
Most of these girls got started through FB of some online site. (PhotoPrepagos, etc). These are girls who are 5-9 in looks, and range from under the legal age to 25ish. They will advertise somewhere and have a giant list of gringos / foreigners they have already fucked for repeat business. Ever wonder what 1/2 of the girls are doing on their phone while you are out at a club? They are doing 1 of 2 things: [b]MOST LIKLEY[/b] posting sexy pictures or angles of them in a club to show how great their life is to their friends, etc. Secondarily its looking at all the other status of the girls to then ask if they can come and party/get paid. These girls are my favorite as once you get a few you like, you get their friends numbers, and your book grows from 3 girls to 700+ after a few years. I checked my contacts this morning and I have over 700 girls in my WhatsApp with the PP prefix in front of it :)

A lot of these girls have become my friends in real life, and when I come in town they come over to chill at the pool, take nice pictures, or just want me to take them out to dinner and fuck them. These girls will ask 300-400 COP AN HOUR, and pricing will all depend upon your looks, age, style, where you are staying, Spanish ability, etc. The more you know them, you will stabilize at usually 400 for TLN + small pleasantries, but that is a tiny price to pay for a girl who is most likely still in high-school / trade school there. REMEMBER to check ID, you dont need to be going to prison over snatch when Medellin is literally the easiest place on the planet to get good pussy.

These are the girls I will go to Victorias secret before I travel and buy all the XS panties in the sale bin. Like 50+ pair. I get TONS of gift bags/boxes and my room is covered in VS boxes. I have had more than a few fall for me romantically, and I have fallen for more than a few of them myself romantically. At any given point, I probably am saying I love you to about 8-9 girls each morning. Hard not to when you wake up at 2am with a 19 year old beauty sucking your dick and sincerly asking me to give them a baby. I have never had to such passionate and good sex when these girls catch feelings for you, and you for them.

[b][u]Massage Girls[/u][/b]
These are the girls who work at the massage parlor, who also escort on the side. You will overpay for sub-par quiet in-house massage parlor sex. Medellin is so open about prostitution, that doing it clandestine is the most likely way to get a bad deal. Go to a legit massage place, get a nice massage, and if you like the girl, ask for WhatsApp and if she gives it to you, then you negotiate price later. You can get a solid REAL massage, and then sex for less money than you likely paid the massage place in the first place. For a REAL massage + Deep cleansing Facial + Sex 400-700mil is a good price. Im talking about the girls who show up in uniform, have all their own tools, bring a massage table, and later you bareback the shit out of that pussy that is something I will pay 700mil COP for. These girls are usually 23 - 35 and still beautiful since they are so hung up on looks as their profession. [b]ALL OF THEM[/b] have their own cosmetology business outside of work, and want to make it on my own since the spas there take 70% off the top from them and they provide all the services.

[b][u]Facebook / Online[/u][/b]
Just like TikTok was created to watch teens dance sexy (god bless this application), Facebook is Colombia is like the yellow-pages for Prepagos. Here is how this works. Make yourself a fake account (use your real account and one day gaurentteed you are going to get blackmailed). Once you have a fake account search for Medallo or Medellin in the search bar and look for girls who have an open friend list and all the girls are ridiculously hot. Add about 20-30 per day (overadd and you will get quick banned). Then you just watch all their statuses and the girls who are posting 1/2 naked pics or thong bathing suit pictures in the mirror - there you go. Send them an hola amor and if they reply back - you can ask for a date, tell them you want to see them, and boom - you are connected. Make sure to see an ID if you are not 10000% sure they are overage, Colombian Cops and even the US are using FB as their primary go-to for entrapment of guys for underage sex. Once you get one good solid girl, you add all her friends, and then their friends, and all of a sudden you have 4000+ girls in Medellin. Its like a buffet of young and for-sale vagina.

Keep in mind - filters are a powerful thing. Make sure you look at lots of pics of the girls to get past the instagram sparkle photo you fell in love with.

[b][u]Non-Pros / Normal Colombian Girls / Etc[/u][/b]
Sex on a first date with a normal Colombia girl is about 75% expected. I have fucked every girl under the sun from receptionists at the Marriott, to Juan Valdez girls, to attorneys, etc. Its a very sex forward culture, and if you manage to get a real date, as long as you are not an ugly cheapskate douchebag, you will score sex on date 1. Here is usually my playbook.
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[b]*[/b] Im out at a mall and I see an amazing girl working in a clothing store. I look around and tell here Im looking to buy something nice for my mother (or sister) and you get points right away.
[b]*[/b] You thank them for helping you, and say maybe they would just like flowers instead. They think its sweet and you still get to talk to them.
[b]*[/b] You say I usually never do this type of thing, but would you be open for a drink or dinner? You are just really beautiful and Im new to Colombia If they give you their WhatsApp number, boom, you just got a date.
[b]*[/b] Dont be too eager - ask them to text you that night or the next day and arrange something like this. I loved meeting you at ZYX store - how about insert popular dinner place at 7:30pm? While you are there, tell them you have an amazing bottle of wine (or beers if they are drinking beers) at your place and you can go back and listen to music and learn more about each other.
[b]*[/b] If her shoes come off - you are going to fuck. Simple as that. If a girl keeps her shoes on once she is inside (unless you have a dirty ass floor), she is not expecting to take her pants off. Shoes off, pants off.
[b]*[/b] Put on music SHE likes - almost all Colombians like Reggaeton (or Reggetaon Viejo), electronica or traditional Colombian music. Stand up to dance (even if you cant and after 20 seconds - boom, move in to kiss).
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[B][U] Cosmetic Surgery / Health [/U][/B]
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Thats right, you read that header correctly. Colombias NUMBER FUCKING TWO export is elective surgery. I have had two hair transplants, gastric surgery, teeth fixes, etc, etc. I literally look 15 years younger, and feel 10x better. Its on average 1/3 the price of the USA and the quality of both care and doctors are better. Every single trip I will get a cleaning facial, vitamin c injection, plasma for my hair, botox, teeth whitening, deep tissue massages are more the only place on earth probably better for low cost and high quality spa-treatments is Pattaya Thailand.

Did you know that girls like fucking men who are more attractive and not lazy slobs? Dress well (in fake brand clothes of course you buy down in el centro), take care of yourself, and all of a sudden you will have girls [b]WANTING[/b] to be with you, vs [red]WILLING[/red] to be with you for money. Unlike my drug contacts, these contacts Im happy to share with you - PM me if you are interested and not just looking to waste my time. Google search first, and prove you are not just some rando looking for something they will never use and I will happily share details, pricing and more with you if you are serious about getting into better health. Best thing you can do for your sex life is to be active and in shape. I know we go for vacation to fuck, but guys, take the time to workout everyday, (even if its just walking). If you are there long periods of time, join a gym and stare at all the young girls in spandex. Seriously, just get outside and start moving. Your body will thank you.

Vitamins - I know this is an odd thing - but Im telling you this: There are some meds that I just wont travel without:[indent]
[b]Sunflower Lecithin[/b] - this stuff comes in HUGE horse pills, and taste disgusting. But when paired with 25mg of Zinc you will literally boost your cum production 5x. I like to be able to paint a girls face proper. The more cum you make, the better your orgasm. Plain and simple.
[b]PrEP[/b] - this is a prescription medication that is an ANTI-HIV / blocker. If you are barebacking girls in high volume (or any volume), I strongly recommend it.
[b]DoxyCycline[/b] - this stuff in combination with PrEP is known to block almost all other STDs / STIS.
[b]HPV vaccine[/b] - if you dont have this (its a series of 3 vaccines- fucking get it. Makes you immune to HPV.
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The goal here is to fuck as much raw as possible and protect yourself from getting sick. Im also fixed so I dont worry about babies, but guys, these girls are poor as it is, [b]if you make a baby, take care of it. If you dont - youre a trash terrible person and I hope you burn in hell[/b]. Babies are Gods gift to this earth.

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[B][U] Drugs [/U][/B]
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I won't go into the section too much since honestly, I don't recommend using drugs to anyone. I use them from time to time, but only in Colombia. What I will tell you is most younger working girls will perform 2 x as good on Tussi, and it will turn a 1 hour session into 3-4 hours of animal BBFS and passion if you get good stuff. Get your contacts from the girls. The going rate is 65-80 mil COP cada punto. Any less you should not pay as it's either not real, or dangerously cut with fentenol. The only drugs at all I recommend are Tussi, Ecstasy tabs and Coke. Everything else in MDE is trash and likely to get you killed.
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[B][U] Caution / Danger [/U][/B]
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There are a lot of very poor, very bad and very desperate people when it comes to poverty. If I was poor, would I feel bad about drugging a gringo so I could sell his overpriced phone to get money to feed my kids? You bet your life. I have gone to Colombia more than most people on the forum, and I have NEVER had an issue. Here is what I suggest.
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[b]*[/b] Put your stuff away. This means when you leave your place, ALWAYS think you might be bringing a girl back. Put your computer away, fancy toiletries, etc. (Girls will steal your cologne in a heart beat if they think they can get away with it). I know its a pain, but this is why I will get 2/3/4 bedrooms and just lock doors. Until I trust a girl, which takes a while there, I dont ever leave them alone in my place.

[b]*[/b] Don't "dar papaya". This means. Don't ask to get robbed. Don't walk around with your $1500 US cell phone out snapping pictures like an idiot.

[b]*[/b] Don't pull out big money in public. Keep small amounts in one pocket- and your larger amount in a zipper pocket and shift money in private.

[b]*[/b] Wear fake jewelry. Most Colombians are anyways, so you will fit in more with a fake Gucci shirt than you will with your idiotic NFL shirt. That is just advertising to get mugged.

[b]*[/b] Wear a crossbody bag. Keep your shit in front of you in a bag that clips / straps over your body and you are 100x harder to rob.

[b]*[/b] If a girl is not willing to send you a copy of her ID or let you see it / take a picture. WALK AWAY. There are 1000x other hot girls less than 10 minutes away.

[b]*[/b] Girls you just met like to offer threesomes as it's 1/2 the work for the same money EACH, and they are safer with a friend. If a girl brings a friend along that you didn't ask for, it's to hustle you. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

[b]*[/b] Make sure you take PREP and cycle antibiotics. Girls will say they are clean, but the 5 guys they fucked before might have been lying. I have BBed over 800 girls in MDE and still clean to this day. Prep+Doxycycline pretty much makes you immune to STDS. (Sure it ruins your liver, but fuck livers).

[b]*[/b]Remember that Colombia mongering life IS NOT REAL. Don't get sucked into the hype. Your life at home is your life. Once you can't stop thinking about mongering, you have gone too far.

[b]*[/b] GET ID! GET ID! GET ID! Colombia police LOVE busting guys for child trafficking. There have been so many hotels closed and guys going to jail in the news recently, you need to be hyper aware here. I have met girls as YOUNG AS [B]11 years old[/B] with 10+ tattoos who could pass for 17/18 who are already working the streets. GUYS. DON'T FUCK LITTLE KIDS. Dont say its the culture there - they are doing it out of desperation. [b][red]There is a SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL FOR YOU IF YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF / ABUSE CHILDREN[/b][/red]

[/indent]I have been in the best parts, and I guarantee you the WORST parts of Colombia. I MARRIED into a VERY poor family and have seen true desperation and children going hungry. Even then they were some of the KINDEST people I have ever met. Don't be an asshole, be good to humans, and don't be an idiot and you should be ok.
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[B][U] Relationships [/U][/B]
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I can't count the number of times I have fallen in love in Colombia. Like REAL romantic love. I [b]MARRIED[/b] one girl (there are a lot of posts about her in this very forum including great nudes of her too)(I still fucked everything that moved), but I loved this girl with all my heart. I have 10+ girls who I love like little sisters (I still fuck them), but I help them with clothes for school, birthday gifts, have met their families, been to weddings, funerals, Christmas at their house and more. Colombians are some of the most passionate and warm people in the world (probably only 2nd to Brazil). If you are single, you are VERY likely to fall in love - if you do fall in love... [b]please[/b] don't make the mistake I made (will continue to make). Just be honest, tell them you like fucking lots of women, and you will find a girl there who will let you fuck everyone and anyone and still love you (if you take care of her and. her family). Word of warning here: I have NEVER seen a hot Colombian woman over 45 years old. These girls AGE HARD. If you are going to get into a relationship, AIM YOUNG (18-23) and you will be dead before they get ugly.
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[B][U] Food / Rappi [/U][/B]
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Some of the very best food can be found in Colombia! Dont just limit yourself to hotel food, but explore out there and look up good restaurants. Everything from fresh chicharron, to mazorca, to arepas con salsa aji fresco. Guys, even if you are not a foodie you should be eating like a king when in Colombia. I recommend [b]Desayunadero[/b] for all you Poblado guys. They have an amazing breakfast/brunch and its an amazing portion. Dont overeat, and make sure you get the food to go to give to homeless people outside vs it just going into the garbage. There other places like Collosal, Oudres Carnes de Res, La Matriaca and more.


[b]Rappi[/b] - Rappi is fucking amazing for food delivery, alcohol delivery, CASH delivery from ATMS and more. I use it every country they have it, and [b]WISH[/b] they had it in the USA. Uber fucking sucks, dont try to compare it. I can order a burger and beer from Rappi in Medellin and have it [b]in my hands[/b] in less than 10 minutes with Rappi turbo. This is great for ordering girls food / alcohol and not waiting forever. You would be amazed and what 40mil COP burger and fries will do.
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[B][u]I dont what category this goes in / Rants [/u][/B]
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GUYS - [b]GROOM YOUR FUCKING DICK[/b]. I cant believe the number of guys who dont do this - the stories I hear from these girls. Keep the hair short, shave your dick and balls and make it look fucking presentable. Holy shit, you would think this is common knowledge, and guys want a nice and clean pussy, but have a gross as crotch themselves. HOLY SHIT guys, seriously. [b]GIRLS TALK TOO[/b]. The number of you guys on here that girls talk about with the fat white guy belly, or Indians never shave their balls or some other nonsense. Have good grooming and dont be that guy.

DO NOT RIP GIRLS OFF - I have heard horror stories from girls getting ripped off by gringos and it GIVES US ALL A BAD NAME. If you want pussy, PAY FOR IT. If you rip girls off - they will post pictures of you, and one day that is going to come back to haunt you 10000x harder.

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In closing. My years in Colombia have been some of the best of my life. I have become closer to God learning true religious culture. I have fucked literally 100's of women, had 3-somes, 4-somes, 5-somes, and FAR more once with 23 girls + me in a place in Guatape. The smell of vagina was HEAVENLY and one of my best memories in life. I have CIPed enough girls to literally have 200+ kids and I have met some of my very best friends in life there. I have had amazing times where I did too many drugs in a club and a girl would bring be home and her grandmother would make me soup, or been blessed with the chance to help a friend welcome a new baby into their world and attend family lunches, christenings and more. I'm godfather to countless kids, and I help families provide Christmas presented for their kids for Christmas. I have opened businesses there, I employ 85+ people now in Colombia and consider it to be my 2nd home on this planet and I'm part of that community. I'm more Paisa than most Colombians, the biggest difference being I'm pretty damn rich. I enjoy the expensive clubs in Poblado, and the barrio ones on calle 45.

The best advice I can give you, is go with someone who has gone before. Be open to seeing more than just the inside of a young girls panties, and you will have the time of your life. You will see kind people, beautiful women, amazing food, and best of all it will give you perspective into an amazing emerging culture in which you can be a part of. Cheers, and happy hunting!![/QUOTE]Informative. Cheers for that, even if it reads like Andrew Tate wrote it.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2907830]Ok guys, it's been a LONG time since I have written a report, but I will do my best to outline this for everyone on what I think is useful I have learned in the past 5 or so y
The best advice I can give you, is go with someone who has gone before. Be open to seeing more than just the inside of a young girls panties, and you will have the time of your life. You will see kind people, beautiful women, amazing food, and best of all it will give you perspective into an amazing emerging culture in which you can be a part of. Cheers, and happy hunting!![/QUOTE]God bless you sir. I appreciate this info. I love the club scene but didn't enjoy my time at la isla. You almost have to buy a bottle in order to enjoy yourself.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2907727]Most are not the same girls but we can agree to disagree. LOL. I have seen the girls from El Centro and the girls from Poblado and most are not the same girls. There may be a few but most of the girls from El Centro would not be able to get business in Poblado. I know that you guys think because a few of the girls are the same, that all the girls are the same or most of them but it is not true in my opinion. For guys who have never been, just go to El Centro and check out the girls and see for yourself.[/QUOTE]At Parque Lleras prices even a lot of the top quality ones will stay untouched so you'll be able to see them standing around along with the undesirable ones. A hot one in El Centro will not be standing around long. There was one in Parque Lleras* that I* definitely thought* was better than anything that I'd seen in Gustos or a lot of the clubs around there. If she went to El Centro she would be gone in a minute. That's because at El Centro prices they are quickly sweeped up. And what is mainly the left overs that nobody wants at el centro for that matter is what you generally see. Of course once the hot ones, new comers or up & comers figure out they can get more money else where that's the last you hear of them there. They usually don't work there long. If you want anything generally good in El Centro its waiting game. You have to be quick and early as well as patient. You have to generally browse through there now and then hoping to get lucky. Of course there's more quality SW's hanging around Parque Llares, but they don't get sweeped up like in El Centro and they don't outnumber the ugly ones as far as the SW's go.

I am not going to reply to the long post by YyzTravel because it repeats the post and takes up a lot of space. I would recommend to guys here that they don't do that. It's annoying.

Anyway, he makes a lot of good points. One point is that you can have a better experience if you make some effort to make yourself look better. This is not to say that you will have difficulty getting girls if you are a fat slob with money but you might have a better experience if you are a fat well-groomed guy who speaks a little Spanish.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2907831]Bottled water is not expensive. Why risk a bad reaction?[/QUOTE]Because bottled water is an environmental disaster and is completely unnecessary in MDE. You're going to have to eat food so the local bugs are going in your gut regardless.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2907892]I got my "sugar baby" from seeking so she is better than your puta from parque lleras. Meanwhile the chicks on seeking do not see themselves as "putas"[/QUOTE]You have never used seeking, and that is why you [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] stereotype it. There are hooker types on seeking who are lower than parque Lleras street walkers and there are the 9-10 types in the highest classes of Colombian society. So any time some dummy says "the women on seeking", you know they are full of it and never used it.

The environmental disaster is me. I don't drink tap water anywhere. I'm not worried about the bugs for the reason you, correctly I think, stated. I use tap water to make coffee and for cooking. I don't use it to make salads or ice. I prefer to rely on admittedly imperfect sanitation and maintenance programs of bottling plants rather than water companies' (EPM in Medellin) and my building's maintenance (high rises in Medellin use rooftop tanks to distribute water via the building's plumbing). As you say, it's not really necessary, it's personal preference. If I were on a short visit of one to two weeks I would call it cheap trip insurance. On the other hand, Medellin is thankfully not Flint, Michigan.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2907980]Because bottled water is an environmental disaster and is completely unnecessary in MDE. You're going to have to eat food so the local bugs are going in your gut regardless.[/QUOTE]

Please use GeorgeCarta22's post as an example for how best to reply to a long post. It's annoying to have to scroll through a very long post that is re-posted. Plus, it's a waste of resources.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2907767]I should ask since this will be my first trip to Colombia -- is the tap water in Medellin safe to drink for those of us coming from Canada / USA?[/QUOTE]Of course, individual locations may vary, but overall, yes. No high levels of bacteria.

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2907912]Informative. Cheers for that, even if it reads like Andrew Tate wrote it.[/QUOTE]How old are you? Did you ever get bored after a while.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2908005]Please use GeorgeCarta22's post as an example for how best to reply to a long post. It's annoying to have to scroll through a very long post that is re-posted. Plus, it's a waste of resources.[/QUOTE]Or just learn how to properly use a forum and clip the quote down to the first few sentences.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2907974]I am not going to reply to the long post by YyzTravel because it repeats the post and takes up a lot of space. I would recommend to guys here that they don't do that. It's annoying.

Anyway, he makes a lot of good points. One point is that you can have a better experience if you make some effort to make yourself look better. This is not to say that you will have difficulty getting girls if you are a fat slob with money but you might have a better experience if you are a fat well-groomed guy who speaks a little Spanish.[/QUOTE]I will quote you MoonShot because you are succinct in your responses. I would add: it helps to be freshly showered and well soaped in the crevices. Brush your teeth and buy a bottle of Listerine. It only takes a few minutes of prep and it will improve your sessions.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2907830]

The only drugs at all I recommend are Tussi, Ecstasy tabs and Coke. Everything else in MDE is trash and likely to get you killed.

[/QUOTE]No problems with 'coke dick' and / or 'pilly willy' ?

Excellent report my man! Thank you! I would like to take you up on your offer next time I am on this side of the world.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2907830]Ok guys, it's been a LONG time since I have written a report, but I will do my best to outline this for everyone on what I think is useful I have learned in the past 5 or so years. Also, for haters or the "I don't believe you" crowd out there. Save it, I don't come to ISG often, I won't waste time with replying to nonsense. [B]My next trip to MDE will be from 4/28 - 5/3[/B]. If you are not an FNG and have made contributions to this board, please reach out and I'm happy to buy you a beer or share a bottle with you one night at a club.

[B][U] Flights [/U][/B]
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I have been flying to MDE now for 5+ years, and I can tell you without a doubt that Spirit sucks, but is great for MDE trips. If you are coming from the S.East USA, then fly Spirit through Miami or FLL. Outside of that, both American does direct flights and Delta does a flight that connects through Bogota. I will usually fly 1st class. / Delta 1 and prices are creeping up. It used to be $600 ish and now D1 is creeping up to $1200 or more. Plan ahead, and look forward to a good sex trip. At any given point, I like to have 4-5 trips ahead planned so I can manage my personal and work life around my mongering life. If you don't know about "Scotts Cheap Flights" which is now called "Going", I suggest you sign up. I have booked tickets almost a year in advance with this service and mongered now in 20+ countries flying in first class on the cheap cost with their help. Thank me later once you snag your first trans-ocean business class flight for under 1 k USD.

The MDE airport is easy. Customs line can be hit or miss, 5 minutes, or 2 hours. Be ready and get there fast to avoid a long wait if you are not on the front of the plane. Just be polite, say tourism, and provide the address of your hotel if they ask. Don't chat, just answer their question and move on. Walk through the Duty Free (Rappi has better prices) and get your luggage. Pick up is right outside. I suggest the white colored cabs. They are official airport cabs, and cost like 20mil more. (100 k from MDE airport to Poblado). Once you know the city and get a few good InDrive or Uber drivers, I get their numbers and now I have a book of guys who I will tell I'm coming into town and see who is available for a pick up at 1/2 the price.
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[B][U] Hotels / AirBnB [/U][/B]
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I have to apologize. The Hotel Marriott on Calle 1aSur [B] USED TO BE[/B] the best hotel in all of Medellin to bring girls. Apparently I was cited as one of the largest reasons it no longer is. I am a 19+ year Ambassador level and the note I got from the GM: The parade of women, working girls and party girls though our hotel lobby [B]HAS[/B] to stop, we value your status and you are welcome in the hotel, but perhaps consider another location for your personal activities. I have stayed there 50+ times in the last 5 years (including over 200 days in a row during COVID) and I can without a doubt tell you that if you use a blacklight on any room on the 4th floor pool level, or the presidential suite, it will look like a Jackson Pollock painting because of me.

They still allow "1 guest per day", but I was used to bringing in 5+ girls AT A TIME. If you ever went to La Isla and "saw that asshole who brought 5+ girls TO THE STRIP CLUB", that might have been me. (If he was handsome and dressed in Versace). The hotel is still ABSOLUTELY number one for overall value. The rooms are amazing, pool view is incredible, Nau Sushi Bar and The Market food are outstanding, and the executive lounge food and service is top notch. Also, I might be biased considering I have fucked no less than 20 of their employees as well.

Now I stay in AirBnB. I have stayed everywhere from Poblado, Laurelles to Belen. There are tons of amazing ones, no problems with guests and the occasional security who wants a small bribe but it's good for safety when you get someone who is vigilant. I would share my favorites for AirBnBs, but I don't want you all taking them. Just don't be CHEAP and find a nice 2-3 bedroom so you can lock your shit up and still have girls crash over. I have a 5 bedroom, penthouse I like to rent in Poblado that has a rooftop pool that is less per night than a single night at the Marriott.
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[B][U] Money / Culture / Poverty [/U][/B]
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USD is king around the world, and can be used here, but COP is the way to go. Dont bother bringing cash, get it all from one of two places: Colpatria ATM if you are in Bogota, or Scotia Bank ATM in Medellin. I can take our 4-5M COP a day with no issues from my accounts, fees are low, and you get market rate exchange. Almost everywhere takes a Visa card and its safe for the most part if you are not an idiot putting your card through a skimmer; Bring cash with you at all times for girls, street food and street fucks so you have a limit. NEVER bring cards to a strip club - bad idea. Get cash, and give yourself a limit before you go.

The COP has been rising drastically in the past 2 years, so Colombia is not as cheap as it used to be, but its still one of the best places in the world to fuck for amazing prices. (That is not in Asia). Dont be a cheap ass, and dont haggle girls who are already offering low prices for their services they dont WANT to fuck you, but NEED to fuck you since they want to eat. For the higher end girls, negotiate these all day - these girls are modern day HUSTLERS and the same girl charging me 200mil COP to me for TLN with BBFS CIP will ask for 800mil from you if they think they can get it. Be fair, but firm. Know what you want/are able to, and know there are girls that you can fuck in that price range.

This is a city where [B] MOST[/B] people would be considered impoverished. The average Colombian from the many I know, dated, fucked and am now unofficially related to, have been telling me the average MONTHLY salary is around 1. 5 M COP. $400 USD [B]OR WAYYYYY LESS[/B] That being said, you can go to MDE on ANY budget, but here is what I consider to be my "reasonable" My daily budget for girls is about 1M COP. I like all girls from the "el centro" girls for the quick 48 mil COP blowjob to the higher end professional types. I have spend 100 mil in a day, or 20 M in a day and had just a good a time. Set yourself a budget, and splurge when reasonable.

The culture for many in Colombia is "gift me as much as possible", "ask for things" and "pretend offense or hurt if you don't get it all". You have to learn that many folks there are literally poorer than you will EVER be, so they will push HARD to get ANYTHING and EVERYTHING they can from you. Even some of my girls who are 5+ years friendships will try the occasional hustle, and I remind them I love them, and "I will pray for you, that is better than money" and they remember who they are dealing with. I'm not cheap, in fact it's the opposite, I'm [b]SUPER[/b] generous to my girls that is why I have so many. But after a few wives (at least they THOUGHT we were married) and too many girlfriends, I have the hang of things to keep the balance of generosity, but not stupid.
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[B][U] Working / Language [/U][/B]
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I loved Medellin so much I opened not one, but two businesses there. TONS of positive reasons to do this from tax write offs to employing in some way some of my far too numerous girlfriends (and wives). I still have them there, so if you are in software and feel like reaching out, send me a PM. Colombia is a GREAT place for digital nomads. You could go the visa route, but I'm never there more than 90 days. Most places have free wifi and most girls are almost always "sin datos" on their phone.

LEARN SPANISH. THEN learn Paisa. Go there as a gringo and not make basic attempts to speak will be met with "I am going to hustle this person" attitude. Think about it. Someone shows up in your state, speaks some foreign language at you and expects you to just use the translator. Fuck that. Spanish is [B]EASY[/B] to learn. Duolingo. Girls will think its cute, and you will get 10 x better fun, sex, friends. Everyone who goes and doesn't speak Spanish. Expect gringo tax, and gringo prices. Plain and simple.
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[B][U] Clubs [/U][/B]
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If you dont like Reggaeton, Rap, or Electronica, too fucking bad. That is what 95% of the girls who fuck for money like. Put on what they like, go where they like, and you will have a better time. My favorite clubs are as follows:
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[b] El Poblado - Icono Club[/b] This place has some of the best DJs and is one of the more expensive clubs to go to. Keep in mind electronica clubs here are just tables people stand around and drink/do drugs. They are VERY different than other parts of the world. Text WhatsApp ahead and the DJ list and pricing for the night. Some nights are buy 1 get one 1 free bottles. These are the nights you offer to bring your girl and all her friends. Just let them know that to come out and drink/do drugs sex is expected and you will tip them well if its good. I will usually do 200mil COP each + taxi for a girl who stays all night and if I fucked her. If I didnt fuck her, its just taxi money.


[b]Calle 45 - El Cielo The Heaven Club:[/b] This is a barrio club - DO NOT GO HERE unless you have locals with you and you speak amazing Spanish. Im not saying its not safe, Im saying you will just be an asshole for bringing your gringo ass to their club. These clubs will literally be empty until 1am and all of a sudden be full of girls all high as fuck around the tables. Picking up a girl in a club like this is not the goal - the goal is to go and have fun, get high and dance. You might get a few WhatsApp numbers, but best to bring girls there and go back and fuck later. Calle 45 is amazing and has TONS of clubs, restaurants, and more, but its very local. Once you feel local there, you are officially Paisa.


[b]Las Palmas - La Isla[/b] - This is a gringo strip-club, through and through. Expect almost ALL the girls to be cosmetically enhanced, and expect them all to ask you for 1M+ COP for sex. They will ask 600mil COP the next day once you get their WhatsApp and settle for 400mil or less. [b]I ALWAYS ALWAYS[/b] show up to the strip club with at least 2-3 girls. This lets all girls know right away he already has girls to fuck, so hustling him is not going to happen. I will ask them to sit down with my girls, share champagne, and then get their numbers. Tell them you can come party with us after if you want and 2/3rds of the time I will get the I get off at 2am, where should I meet at reply. If these girls dont get a client, they will come out to drink and potentially get a tip from you later if they think it will happen. This is why I always keep my room stocked with about 50+ cans of JP champagne, Smirnoff Ice, Pedialyte and candy. I forgot to mention, CANDY. When girls use drugs, their bodies will metabolize sugars REALLY fast, and they [b]fucking love[/b] candy. Ever wonder why so many girls are sucking on a lolly pop in Medellin? Its not just so you can imagine getting your dick sucked, but most of them are high as fuck and enjoying the sugar.


[b]Fase2[/b] - Its a locals strip club - the girls will try to hustle you if you are not Colombian or know better. Most of the girls there are bigger, but its a cool place to go and chill with a bottle of Jack. I will have girls come sit on my lap and feel them up for an overpriced drink, but its a nice chill spot. They no NOT allow smoking inside.


[b]Parque Lleras[/b] - threre a tons of clubs here. They will all try to pull you in and offer free XYZ or free admission. Never pay a penny to go in those clubs (except Gusto, which is 50mil COP). I like many of the clubs, and I will say YMMV based on the night of the week, amount of guys/girls there, holidays, etc. I go to PL to party, and if I dont pull a girl home, Im not upset. I like getting a bottle and having 30+ girls trying to make eye contact with me all night. I can tell within 30 seconds of them sitting down if they will stay or not, I pull the up close, get them a drink, and go for a first kiss. If its not full of passion and tongue, I let them stay until the drink is over, touching their body of course, and then say thank you nicely and they leave.
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[B][U] Girls / Pricing [/U][/B]

[B]OK - finally the section you have been waiting for[/B] Girls in MDE I would put into these categories below. (Also, I'm listing prices for me, YMMV. I'm mid-40's, attractive, well built, dress well and I'm wealthy). Sorry to those of you who are not, life is not fucking fair, get over it.
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[b][u]What you should know about Colombia girls/women [/u][/b]
They will show up late, EVERY FUCKING TIME. NEVER EVER EVER EVER WAIT for a Colombia girl, as you will get angry, it will be 2 hours later, they are still in traffic which means they havent left yet, etc. Those girls have no concept of a real life with priorities and schedules etc (what do you expect of a 19 year old prostitute?). Just be ready for them to be late, and if your time is that important, tell them 30/60 minutes AHEAD of when you need to see them. Once you know a girl well you can say show up on time or I will pay less and then they get the picture. (They will still be late, but less late). Also, send girls away if they dont come DRESSED TO IMPRESS. If a girl shows up not arranged, then send their ass away. A girls cultural and social value in Colombia is EXTREMELY based on their femininity. If they dont show up looking amazing as fuck, tell them to go back and arrange if they want to see you again. (Unless you are going in the pool or something, and then I tell them to bring all their shit to shower and arrange afterwards before we go out)

Keep in mind a lot of these girls will schedule guys IN BETWEEN your visit and another, so if they are running late, they may have another guys dick in them. This is why I always like to invite 2-3 girls so if they are late, I tell them dont bother or have them meet me after I have fucked and they get 1/3 of the money, etc. I used to sit and wait, and get angry about girls and the culture like this now I have learned to adapt and simply flow with it. Never wait to eat for them eat and then when they show up (if they do on time) you order their food. If they are on the way ask them to share their WhatsApp location with you if they dont, they are not on the way.


[b][u]Overall Tips [/u][/b]
Treat girls LIKE HUMAN BEINGS. Have drinks, small snacks, and other niceties in your room and its far better than show up and fuck. A basic trip to the grocery store for what costs next to nothing will give you a 10x better experience, plus, likely to make the girl WANT to be with you. I cant count the times girls will smile and blush when I offer them champagne and order in pizza before smash that young pussy all night :). Girls like to pose in your fancy room for pictures to show off as status to their friends - so what would have been a quick 30 min fuck turns into 3 hours of her there with me taking videos of her, fucking her multiples times, getting her to show me her friends for raw-threesomes and planning to go to a club that night to dance and bring home her whole pack of girlies. Nothing like waking up in the morning to 4-5 girls passed out in bed. I always tell them I like morning sex, so if you wake up with me fucking you, dont be surprised. Uffff sleepy sex :) Some of them will just lay there until you finish and go back to sleep with your cum inside them. SO DAMN HOT.


[b][u]Street Walkers [/u][/b]
- These are the girls you will find in el-centro. Some of these girls fuck the NASTIEST guys (and are NASTY girls themselves). YOU NEED TO WEAR A CONDOM if you go with these girls for sex. Asking price is usually 40-50mil COP for FULL SEX. Dont expect fancy, but you can find the occasional diamond in the rough down there. I like to go to el-centro to eat lunch, buy clothes/shoes/etc and then get a nice long BJ. I will ask to see their smile/teeth and then ass. All I care about is that head bobbing up and down on my dick while I look at their ass in the thong. For a $12 mid-day lunch blow-job, you cant beat it. I dont recommend anything more with these girls, and they are literally ULTRA high volume. (Before you guys tell me some girls go to Lleras that work in el-centro- yep, I know that, but the caliber of street girls who have seen 20,000 dicks in their life and a Lleras girl who is 18-23 and fucking because they want some new sneakers are different). Average looks I would say are 4/5 out of 10.


[b][u]Parque Lleras (PL) / Bar girls [/u][/b]
Fuck [b]BEFORE[/b] you to to Parque Lleras and then you wont be ready to fuck the first girl who smiles at you. This is a party spot for gringo and people with moderate/lots of money. Expect girls ranging from 5 all the way to 10 here. They stand in the parque, go inside the clubs, work in the clubs (Gusto) and literally [b]ANY[/b] girl in PL is available to fuck. I have fucked more than one waitress, server, the girl selling drinks in the street, etc. That is why they are there. The earlier in the night, the higher price you will get; I suggest going between 9pm - 11pm. Go into a club, buy a bottle and drink, dance and enjoy kissing tons of girls. Talk to them, share your drugs with them (or them with you), have a good time and then around 1am THEN you ask them if they want to leave with you. Most girls will ask for 400-600mil, but most will accept 200-400mil depending upon what you want once its late.

If a girl in the PL wants to leave to fuck quickly, service will be rushed, and they are looking to return to the parque for more clients. Maybe you want a quick smash/dash, and that is fine, but if you do, tell them it will be quick so only 100-200mil. Most girls in PL will do BBJ but ask for a condom for sex - this is actually good since they want to stay clean :). Girls who do no-condom very easy Im [b]very suspicious of[/b] (I might still do it though :). Girls who ask for condom sex will usually take it off for another 200mil. If I find a beautiful girl who I can tell who has not had a lot of mileage, Im wanting BBFS for sure and likely will CIP or facial them. Get their WhatsApp, and repeat with these girls before they go to the park and prices come down :).

But YYZ, how can you tell? After 25+ years of doing this I can just tell.. Simple signs are a girl who has normal (or less prostitutey) clothes, and non-VS panties, non-stripper heels and looks like she might be a bit shy or nervous, uff those are my types.

[b][u]Independents / Prepagos[/u][/b]
Most of these girls got started through FB of some online site. (PhotoPrepagos, etc). These are girls who are 5-9 in looks, and range from under the legal age to 25ish. They will advertise somewhere and have a giant list of gringos / foreigners they have already fucked for repeat business. Ever wonder what 1/2 of the girls are doing on their phone while you are out at a club? They are doing 1 of 2 things: [b]MOST LIKLEY[/b] posting sexy pictures or angles of them in a club to show how great their life is to their friends, etc. Secondarily its looking at all the other status of the girls to then ask if they can come and party/get paid. These girls are my favorite as once you get a few you like, you get their friends numbers, and your book grows from 3 girls to 700+ after a few years. I checked my contacts this morning and I have over 700 girls in my WhatsApp with the PP prefix in front of it :)

A lot of these girls have become my friends in real life, and when I come in town they come over to chill at the pool, take nice pictures, or just want me to take them out to dinner and fuck them. These girls will ask 300-400 COP AN HOUR, and pricing will all depend upon your looks, age, style, where you are staying, Spanish ability, etc. The more you know them, you will stabilize at usually 400 for TLN + small pleasantries, but that is a tiny price to pay for a girl who is most likely still in high-school / trade school there. REMEMBER to check ID, you dont need to be going to prison over snatch when Medellin is literally the easiest place on the planet to get good pussy.

These are the girls I will go to Victorias secret before I travel and buy all the XS panties in the sale bin. Like 50+ pair. I get TONS of gift bags/boxes and my room is covered in VS boxes. I have had more than a few fall for me romantically, and I have fallen for more than a few of them myself romantically. At any given point, I probably am saying I love you to about 8-9 girls each morning. Hard not to when you wake up at 2am with a 19 year old beauty sucking your dick and sincerly asking me to give them a baby. I have never had to such passionate and good sex when these girls catch feelings for you, and you for them.

[b][u]Massage Girls[/u][/b]
These are the girls who work at the massage parlor, who also escort on the side. You will overpay for sub-par quiet in-house massage parlor sex. Medellin is so open about prostitution, that doing it clandestine is the most likely way to get a bad deal. Go to a legit massage place, get a nice massage, and if you like the girl, ask for WhatsApp and if she gives it to you, then you negotiate price later. You can get a solid REAL massage, and then sex for less money than you likely paid the massage place in the first place. For a REAL massage + Deep cleansing Facial + Sex 400-700mil is a good price. Im talking about the girls who show up in uniform, have all their own tools, bring a massage table, and later you bareback the shit out of that pussy that is something I will pay 700mil COP for. These girls are usually 23 - 35 and still beautiful since they are so hung up on looks as their profession. [b]ALL OF THEM[/b] have their own cosmetology business outside of work, and want to make it on my own since the spas there take 70% off the top from them and they provide all the services.

[b][u]Facebook / Online[/u][/b]
Just like TikTok was created to watch teens dance sexy (god bless this application), Facebook is Colombia is like the yellow-pages for Prepagos. Here is how this works. Make yourself a fake account (use your real account and one day gaurentteed you are going to get blackmailed). Once you have a fake account search for Medallo or Medellin in the search bar and look for girls who have an open friend list and all the girls are ridiculously hot. Add about 20-30 per day (overadd and you will get quick banned). Then you just watch all their statuses and the girls who are posting 1/2 naked pics or thong bathing suit pictures in the mirror - there you go. Send them an hola amor and if they reply back - you can ask for a date, tell them you want to see them, and boom - you are connected. Make sure to see an ID if you are not 10000% sure they are overage, Colombian Cops and even the US are using FB as their primary go-to for entrapment of guys for underage sex. Once you get one good solid girl, you add all her friends, and then their friends, and all of a sudden you have 4000+ girls in Medellin. Its like a buffet of young and for-sale vagina.

Keep in mind - filters are a powerful thing. Make sure you look at lots of pics of the girls to get past the instagram sparkle photo you fell in love with.

[b][u]Non-Pros / Normal Colombian Girls / Etc[/u][/b]
Sex on a first date with a normal Colombia girl is about 75% expected. I have fucked every girl under the sun from receptionists at the Marriott, to Juan Valdez girls, to attorneys, etc. Its a very sex forward culture, and if you manage to get a real date, as long as you are not an ugly cheapskate douchebag, you will score sex on date 1. Here is usually my playbook.
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[b]*[/b] Im out at a mall and I see an amazing girl working in a clothing store. I look around and tell here Im looking to buy something nice for my mother (or sister) and you get points right away.
[b]*[/b] You thank them for helping you, and say maybe they would just like flowers instead. They think its sweet and you still get to talk to them.
[b]*[/b] You say I usually never do this type of thing, but would you be open for a drink or dinner? You are just really beautiful and Im new to Colombia If they give you their WhatsApp number, boom, you just got a date.
[b]*[/b] Dont be too eager - ask them to text you that night or the next day and arrange something like this. I loved meeting you at ZYX store - how about insert popular dinner place at 7:30pm? While you are there, tell them you have an amazing bottle of wine (or beers if they are drinking beers) at your place and you can go back and listen to music and learn more about each other.
[b]*[/b] If her shoes come off - you are going to fuck. Simple as that. If a girl keeps her shoes on once she is inside (unless you have a dirty ass floor), she is not expecting to take her pants off. Shoes off, pants off.
[b]*[/b] Put on music SHE likes - almost all Colombians like Reggaeton (or Reggetaon Viejo), electronica or traditional Colombian music. Stand up to dance (even if you cant and after 20 seconds - boom, move in to kiss).
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[B][U] Cosmetic Surgery / Health [/U][/B]
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Thats right, you read that header correctly. Colombias NUMBER FUCKING TWO export is elective surgery. I have had two hair transplants, gastric surgery, teeth fixes, etc, etc. I literally look 15 years younger, and feel 10x better. Its on average 1/3 the price of the USA and the quality of both care and doctors are better. Every single trip I will get a cleaning facial, vitamin c injection, plasma for my hair, botox, teeth whitening, deep tissue massages are more the only place on earth probably better for low cost and high quality spa-treatments is Pattaya Thailand.

Did you know that girls like fucking men who are more attractive and not lazy slobs? Dress well (in fake brand clothes of course you buy down in el centro), take care of yourself, and all of a sudden you will have girls [b]WANTING[/b] to be with you, vs [red]WILLING[/red] to be with you for money. Unlike my drug contacts, these contacts Im happy to share with you - PM me if you are interested and not just looking to waste my time. Google search first, and prove you are not just some rando looking for something they will never use and I will happily share details, pricing and more with you if you are serious about getting into better health. Best thing you can do for your sex life is to be active and in shape. I know we go for vacation to fuck, but guys, take the time to workout everyday, (even if its just walking). If you are there long periods of time, join a gym and stare at all the young girls in spandex. Seriously, just get outside and start moving. Your body will thank you.

Vitamins - I know this is an odd thing - but Im telling you this: There are some meds that I just wont travel without:[indent]
[b]Sunflower Lecithin[/b] - this stuff comes in HUGE horse pills, and taste disgusting. But when paired with 25mg of Zinc you will literally boost your cum production 5x. I like to be able to paint a girls face proper. The more cum you make, the better your orgasm. Plain and simple.
[b]PrEP[/b] - this is a prescription medication that is an ANTI-HIV / blocker. If you are barebacking girls in high volume (or any volume), I strongly recommend it.
[b]DoxyCycline[/b] - this stuff in combination with PrEP is known to block almost all other STDs / STIS.
[b]HPV vaccine[/b] - if you dont have this (its a series of 3 vaccines- fucking get it. Makes you immune to HPV.
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The goal here is to fuck as much raw as possible and protect yourself from getting sick. Im also fixed so I dont worry about babies, but guys, these girls are poor as it is, [b]if you make a baby, take care of it. If you dont - youre a trash terrible person and I hope you burn in hell[/b]. Babies are Gods gift to this earth.

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[B][U] Drugs [/U][/B]
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I won't go into the section too much since honestly, I don't recommend using drugs to anyone. I use them from time to time, but only in Colombia. What I will tell you is most younger working girls will perform 2 x as good on Tussi, and it will turn a 1 hour session into 3-4 hours of animal BBFS and passion if you get good stuff. Get your contacts from the girls. The going rate is 65-80 mil COP cada punto. Any less you should not pay as it's either not real, or dangerously cut with fentenol. The only drugs at all I recommend are Tussi, Ecstasy tabs and Coke. Everything else in MDE is trash and likely to get you killed.
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[B][U] Caution / Danger [/U][/B]
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There are a lot of very poor, very bad and very desperate people when it comes to poverty. If I was poor, would I feel bad about drugging a gringo so I could sell his overpriced phone to get money to feed my kids? You bet your life. I have gone to Colombia more than most people on the forum, and I have NEVER had an issue. Here is what I suggest.
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[b]*[/b] Put your stuff away. This means when you leave your place, ALWAYS think you might be bringing a girl back. Put your computer away, fancy toiletries, etc. (Girls will steal your cologne in a heart beat if they think they can get away with it). I know its a pain, but this is why I will get 2/3/4 bedrooms and just lock doors. Until I trust a girl, which takes a while there, I dont ever leave them alone in my place.

[b]*[/b] Don't "dar papaya". This means. Don't ask to get robbed. Don't walk around with your $1500 US cell phone out snapping pictures like an idiot.

[b]*[/b] Don't pull out big money in public. Keep small amounts in one pocket- and your larger amount in a zipper pocket and shift money in private.

[b]*[/b] Wear fake jewelry. Most Colombians are anyways, so you will fit in more with a fake Gucci shirt than you will with your idiotic NFL shirt. That is just advertising to get mugged.

[b]*[/b] Wear a crossbody bag. Keep your shit in front of you in a bag that clips / straps over your body and you are 100x harder to rob.

[b]*[/b] If a girl is not willing to send you a copy of her ID or let you see it / take a picture. WALK AWAY. There are 1000x other hot girls less than 10 minutes away.

[b]*[/b] Girls you just met like to offer threesomes as it's 1/2 the work for the same money EACH, and they are safer with a friend. If a girl brings a friend along that you didn't ask for, it's to hustle you. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

[b]*[/b] Make sure you take PREP and cycle antibiotics. Girls will say they are clean, but the 5 guys they fucked before might have been lying. I have BBed over 800 girls in MDE and still clean to this day. Prep+Doxycycline pretty much makes you immune to STDS. (Sure it ruins your liver, but fuck livers).

[b]*[/b]Remember that Colombia mongering life IS NOT REAL. Don't get sucked into the hype. Your life at home is your life. Once you can't stop thinking about mongering, you have gone too far.

[b]*[/b] GET ID! GET ID! GET ID! Colombia police LOVE busting guys for child trafficking. There have been so many hotels closed and guys going to jail in the news recently, you need to be hyper aware here. I have met girls as YOUNG AS [B]11 years old[/B] with 10+ tattoos who could pass for 17/18 who are already working the streets. GUYS. DON'T FUCK LITTLE KIDS. Dont say its the culture there - they are doing it out of desperation. [b][red]There is a SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL FOR YOU IF YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF / ABUSE CHILDREN[/b][/red]

[/indent]I have been in the best parts, and I guarantee you the WORST parts of Colombia. I MARRIED into a VERY poor family and have seen true desperation and children going hungry. Even then they were some of the KINDEST people I have ever met. Don't be an asshole, be good to humans, and don't be an idiot and you should be ok.
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[B][U] Relationships [/U][/B]
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I can't count the number of times I have fallen in love in Colombia. Like REAL romantic love. I [b]MARRIED[/b] one girl (there are a lot of posts about her in this very forum including great nudes of her too)(I still fucked everything that moved), but I loved this girl with all my heart. I have 10+ girls who I love like little sisters (I still fuck them), but I help them with clothes for school, birthday gifts, have met their families, been to weddings, funerals, Christmas at their house and more. Colombians are some of the most passionate and warm people in the world (probably only 2nd to Brazil). If you are single, you are VERY likely to fall in love - if you do fall in love... [b]please[/b] don't make the mistake I made (will continue to make). Just be honest, tell them you like fucking lots of women, and you will find a girl there who will let you fuck everyone and anyone and still love you (if you take care of her and. her family). Word of warning here: I have NEVER seen a hot Colombian woman over 45 years old. These girls AGE HARD. If you are going to get into a relationship, AIM YOUNG (18-23) and you will be dead before they get ugly.
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[B][U] Food / Rappi [/U][/B]
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Some of the very best food can be found in Colombia! Dont just limit yourself to hotel food, but explore out there and look up good restaurants. Everything from fresh chicharron, to mazorca, to arepas con salsa aji fresco. Guys, even if you are not a foodie you should be eating like a king when in Colombia. I recommend [b]Desayunadero[/b] for all you Poblado guys. They have an amazing breakfast/brunch and its an amazing portion. Dont overeat, and make sure you get the food to go to give to homeless people outside vs it just going into the garbage. There other places like Collosal, Oudres Carnes de Res, La Matriaca and more.


[b]Rappi[/b] - Rappi is fucking amazing for food delivery, alcohol delivery, CASH delivery from ATMS and more. I use it every country they have it, and [b]WISH[/b] they had it in the USA. Uber fucking sucks, dont try to compare it. I can order a burger and beer from Rappi in Medellin and have it [b]in my hands[/b] in less than 10 minutes with Rappi turbo. This is great for ordering girls food / alcohol and not waiting forever. You would be amazed and what 40mil COP burger and fries will do.
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[B][u]I dont what category this goes in / Rants [/u][/B]
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GUYS - [b]GROOM YOUR FUCKING DICK[/b]. I cant believe the number of guys who dont do this - the stories I hear from these girls. Keep the hair short, shave your dick and balls and make it look fucking presentable. Holy shit, you would think this is common knowledge, and guys want a nice and clean pussy, but have a gross as crotch themselves. HOLY SHIT guys, seriously. [b]GIRLS TALK TOO[/b]. The number of you guys on here that girls talk about with the fat white guy belly, or Indians never shave their balls or some other nonsense. Have good grooming and dont be that guy.

DO NOT RIP GIRLS OFF - I have heard horror stories from girls getting ripped off by gringos and it GIVES US ALL A BAD NAME. If you want pussy, PAY FOR IT. If you rip girls off - they will post pictures of you, and one day that is going to come back to haunt you 10000x harder.

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In closing. My years in Colombia have been some of the best of my life. I have become closer to God learning true religious culture. I have fucked literally 100's of women, had 3-somes, 4-somes, 5-somes, and FAR more once with 23 girls + me in a place in Guatape. The smell of vagina was HEAVENLY and one of my best memories in life. I have CIPed enough girls to literally have 200+ kids and I have met some of my very best friends in life there. I have had amazing times where I did too many drugs in a club and a girl would bring be home and her grandmother would make me soup, or been blessed with the chance to help a friend welcome a new baby into their world and attend family lunches, christenings and more. I'm godfather to countless kids, and I help families provide Christmas presented for their kids for Christmas. I have opened businesses there, I employ 85+ people now in Colombia and consider it to be my 2nd home on this planet and I'm part of that community. I'm more Paisa than most Colombians, the biggest difference being I'm pretty damn rich. I enjoy the expensive clubs in Poblado, and the barrio ones on calle 45.

The best advice I can give you, is go with someone who has gone before. Be open to seeing more than just the inside of a young girls panties, and you will have the time of your life. You will see kind people, beautiful women, amazing food, and best of all it will give you perspective into an amazing emerging culture in which you can be a part of. Cheers, and happy hunting!![/QUOTE]

Was his goal to save the children or get his picture in the media? You be the judge.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2907756]Flyers says "Say No to Sex tourism".

I love this guy LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2907900]Are you sure the clubs are open past 1 am, and if so, what time are they closing? Reports were the mayor was pissed and this was supposed to happen for 6 months. Good news if that is the case though.
On another note, yes, drinks are very expensive at the clubs so if you want to save money you can drink before you go, buy a bottle with 2 friends for 200, go out of the club and buy drinks next door at those mini market type liquor stores, or stick with beer. Just giving tips.[/QUOTE]I'm positive. Clubs are staying open past 1am. I'm here now.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2907830]Ok guys, it's been a LONG time since I have written a report, but I will do my best to outline this for everyone on what I think is useful I have learned in the past 5 or so years. Also, for haters or the "I don't believe you" crowd out there. Save it, I don't come to ISG often, I won't waste time with replying to nonsense. [B]My next trip to MDE will be from 4/28 - 5/3[/B]. If you are not an FNG and have made contributions to this board, please reach out and I'm happy to buy you a beer or share a bottle with you one night at a club.[/QUOTE]This might be the best post I ever read on any forum in 30+ years of mongering all over the world. It ought to be pinned to the top of this thread. Just about everything written could be applied to nearly every other country in SA, CA and Asia. I'm (very) HO. Thanks for a great read in a sea of blathering minutia!

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2908130]I'm positive. Clubs are staying open past 1am. I'm here now.[/QUOTE]Awesome, is there less talent around Parque Lleras or still plent of girls there? I like drifting between working the talent in the clubs and outside the clubs in PL. I appreciate the information as we have a trip end of May and I was almost going to cancel due to the bad reports recently.

I am placing Yzy's post into Links to Reports of Distinction. Again, great job.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2908084]Excellent report my man! Thank you! I would like to take you up on your offer next time I am on this side of the world.[/QUOTE]This is the fourth time the long post has been repeated, taking up a lot of space. Lets try a little harder not to reply to the long post. You can post a comment about it without replying to it. I know you guys like it but we don't have to keep posting it again and again.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2907980]Because bottled water is an environmental disaster and is completely unnecessary in MDE. You're going to have to eat food so the local bugs are going in your gut regardless.[/QUOTE]Tap water is probably safe until it isn't. Safe if there have been no "low pressure" events in the system. But as soon as the water pressure is off there can be infiltration and then without super chlorination and pipe flushing you can have issues for some time. Eventually the chlorine will clean that up, but my rule is that if there are frequent events of the water being turned off then the tap water is not safe. That is true everywhere, but more true in places where you can see frequent leaks from water supply. Which is the case in Medellin, and certainly in San Jose Costa Rica.

And equating unsafe water with food and talking of them as being local bugs. That is not useful in my opinion. Eating local food will not help you with water contamination.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2908234]And equating unsafe water with food and talking of them as being local bugs. That is not useful in my opinion. Eating local food will not help you with water contamination.[/QUOTE]You misunderstand me. I am saying that if you are eating food, you will have the local bugs in your system whether you drink the water or not. I'm not saying that eating local food will "help" with water contamination. If people are worried about this (I live in MDE and SJO and drank the tap water from day one in both places), please use sustainable methods vs. Buying bottled water. Filtration, etc. You can buy water bottles with filters. I just get real tired of seeing plastic bottles everywhere.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2907900]Are you sure the clubs are open past 1 am, and if so, what time are they closing.[/QUOTE]According Colombian news they extending the closing time to 2 am.

This strikes me as a bit crazy and laughable at the same time. The Mayor issued the decrees under pressure from political opponents. It would have been very difficult politically to remain silent or take no action. Once he put the 6-month restrictions in place, merchants demonstrated about lost income. So now there is this compromise that basically makes the original decrees toothless. It's classic spineless politicking. He is doing whatever he feels he has to at any moment to quiet squeaky wheels. Handing out anti sex tourism pamphlets to unsuspecting tourists in front of cameras was clearly self serving. Daily reports of Colombian pedos continue to appear in the local media but there are no demonstrations or political speeches about them.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2908271]According Colombian news they extending the closing time to 2 am.[/QUOTE]

Yes, confirmation bias aside, the fact is Colombia is in a period of drought right now. It hasn't affected Medellin yet but the risk is there. It's so bad that Bogota is about to impose water rationing. Scheduled and unscheduled water outages are not unusual in Medellin. That's why most high rises have water tanks. It's not fair that only poor people in the barrios are affected by the water outages. You are probably not going to have a problem drinking the tap water. People here do it all their lives and gastritis is not the sort of problem it on the coast. I personally don't plan to cancel my Postobon deliveries any time soon. Three five gallon bottles cost about 44,000 pesos. It's not a big expense.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2908234]Tap water is probably safe until it isn't. Safe if there have been no "low pressure" events in the system. But as soon as the water pressure is off there can be infiltration and then without super chlorination and pipe flushing you can have issues for some time. Eventually the chlorine will clean that up, but my rule is that if there are frequent events of the water being turned off then the tap water is not safe. That is true everywhere, but more true in places where you can see frequent leaks from water supply. Which is the case in Medellin, and certainly in San Jose Costa Rica.

And equating unsafe water with food and talking of them as being local bugs. That is not useful in my opinion. Eating local food will not help you with water contamination.[/QUOTE]

I am looking for a Girl-Friendly Hotel or Airbnb. I am happy to pay the extra fees. I am looking for a hotel or Airbnb with security that will keep the girl's ID and only give it after making sure that I am not drugged. Thanks.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2908271]According Colombian news they extending the closing time to 2 am.[/QUOTE]Clubs start shutting down around 2:30, but I stil heard music blasting until 4 am. Don't know where it was coming from.

I'm staying at Lleras Green hotel, the hotel is ok. There wi-fi sucks.

They charge 100,000 person for guess. You first guess is free, you can bring the same guess as many times as you like. But if you bring in a different guess they will charge you. That sucks.

Nothing really to do in the Lleras parque area during the day. No girls walking around. Things pop off at night.

[QUOTE=MikeMark;2908157]This might be the best post I ever read on any forum in 30+ years of mongering all over the world. It ought to be pinned to the top of this thread. Just about everything written could be applied to nearly every other country in SA, CA and Asia. I'm (very) HO. Thanks for a great read in a sea of blathering minutia![/QUOTE]Cheers man, appreciate the kind words.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2908275]Daily reports of Colombian pedos continue to appear in the local media but there are no demonstrations or political speeches about them.[/QUOTE]Right? I haven't seen any signs telling the indigenous men to go back to their land, or saying grandpas aren't wanted here, or pamphlets being handed out to dance school owners telling them grooming is discouraged. There is a systemic problem in this country, along with many others, and a few dumb-F gringos are just a drop in the bucket. Keystone cops don't help, but if you ask me, a grandpa R-ing his granddaughter sends you to a real special place compared to some foreign slob being an idiot in what would certainly seem like an illegal agreement between parties type situation (based on the elevator video). Certain people will take to the streets for whatever the topic of the day is, but it boggles my mind on how locals can hear half a story from their neighbor's grandma's maid's friend on whatsapp, Day 1, and never think for a second there could be more to the story. Gentrification is my other hot button issue. Zimbabwe is at 130%, pretty sure there aren't many gringos buying apartments and bottles of alcohol there. Gas is up 50% in the US and I don't hear too many people blaming it on the Colombians in Miami or NYC. Ok, that's my rant for the day. All this greenery and peace at The Masters got me in the mood to pick a fight with my laptop LOL. In case anyone is worried, this has nothing to do with being sexually frustrated!

Enjoy the weekend. Cheers!

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2908227]Stop Replying to Long Posts! This is the fourth time the long post has been repeated.......Lets try a little harder not to reply to the long post. You can post a comment about it without replying to it......... [/QUOTE]

A strong Second the Motion to Moonshot encouraging Board Members, when responding to a post, to refrain from copying it in its entirety. But a correction with which he would probably (I hope) agree.

When doing so there is no reason not to start by hitting the "REPLY WITH QUOTE" option at the bottom of the prior post. But, unless the quoted post is a very short one, be sure to delete all of the text inside the QUOTE except a sentence or two. You can insert dots "...... ", as I have done, above, in the Quote from Moonshot's post, to indicate where you have deleted language. And be sure to retain the ISG QUOTE brackets, themselves, at the beginning and the end, or else the ISG system will abort your reply.

It's actually useful for other readers to have this link back to the prior post on which you are commenting in case they want to go back and check it out for themselves. This link is lost if (as Moonshot suggested) you just comment by drafting a new post (instead of hitting Reply to get started). Often Board Members are responding to a post a day or two after it's original appearance, so it may already be a page or two back on the thread.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2908305]A strong Second the Motion to Moonshot encouraging Board Members, when responding to a post, to refrain from copying it in its entirety. But a correction with which he would probably (I hope) agree. . . ..[/QUOTE]I did not know that technique. That is very good advice on how to reply to a long post without repeating the long post.

I am not in Medellin now so I can't comment on the current situation in Poblado with the mayor's new rule. But if you are seeing online girls that are over the legal age, you probably will not be affected in any manner.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2908281]I am looking for a Girl-Friendly Hotel or Airbnb. I am happy to pay the extra fees. I am looking for a hotel or Airbnb with security that will keep the girl's ID and only give it after making sure that I am not drugged. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Llares Green hotel just makes a copy of the girl ID. I'm at the Dix hotel now, I will see if they hold the girl ID until she comes back.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2908278]Yes, confirmation bias aside, the fact is Colombia is in a period of drought right now. It hasn't affected Medellin yet but the risk is there. It's so bad that Bogota is about to impose water rationing. Scheduled and unscheduled water outages are not unusual in Medellin. That's why most high rises have water tanks. It's not fair that only poor people in the barrios are affected by the water outages. You are probably not going to have a problem drinking the tap water. People here do it all their lives and gastritis is not the sort of problem it on the coast. I personally don't plan to cancel my Postobon deliveries any time soon. Three five gallon bottles cost about 44,000 pesos. It's not a big expense.[/QUOTE]Oh I have had a problem drinking the tap water in the past, in Medellin. Water outages will certainly result in contamination. And more so right now in San Jose where one part of the city had tens of thousands of people sick from bad water as they are shutting it off every day leading to all sorts of water born problems. Alajeulita and Hatillo, parts of Desamperados and into Escazu. With thousands of cases each day. They are advised to not drink the water but happens anyway.

You still the man. Check this out, standard practice is Colombian pedo suspects have their faces obscured and their names withheld when the cases are reported in the media. This includes the ones literally caught with their dicks in illegal (under 14 in Colombia) girls like the guy who picked up two in San Diego and took them to a motel La Estrella. I think everybody saw the passport of Livingston plastered all over the Internet after he was released because the girls wouldn't accuse him of anything and he wasn't caught in the act doing anything. His life is pretty much fucked at this point and it's his own fault but I don't get the kid glove treatment of the locals.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2908301]Right? I haven't seen any signs telling the indigenous men to go back to their land, or saying grandpas aren't wanted here, or pamphlets being handed out to dance school owners telling them grooming is discouraged. There is a systemic problem in this country, along with many others, and a few dumb-F gringos are just a drop in the bucket. Keystone cops don't help, but if you ask me, a grandpa R-ing his granddaughter sends you to a real special place compared to some foreign slob being an idiot in what would certainly seem like an illegal agreement between parties type situation (based on the elevator video). Certain people will take to the streets for whatever the topic of the day is, but it boggles my mind on how locals can hear half a story from their neighbor's grandma's maid's friend on whatsapp, Day 1, and never think for a second there could be more to the story. Gentrification is my other hot button issue. Zimbabwe is at 130%, pretty sure there aren't many gringos buying apartments and bottles of alcohol there. Gas is up 50% in the US and I don't hear too many people blaming it on the Colombians in Miami or NYC. Ok, that's my rant for the day. All this greenery and peace at The Masters got me in the mood to pick a fight with my laptop LOL. In case anyone is worried, this has nothing to do with being sexually frustrated!

Enjoy the weekend. Cheers![/QUOTE]

I am anti plastic contamination. I use refillable 5 gallon jugs. I feel awful when I'm in Miami and see people buying pallets of small plastic water bottles for home use.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2908246]You misunderstand me. I am saying that if you are eating food, you will have the local bugs in your system whether you drink the water or not. I'm not saying that eating local food will "help" with water contamination. If people are worried about this (I live in MDE and SJO and drank the tap water from day one in both places), please use sustainable methods vs. Buying bottled water. Filtration, etc. You can buy water bottles with filters. I just get real tired of seeing plastic bottles everywhere.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2908130]I'm positive. Clubs are staying open past 1am. I'm here now.[/QUOTE]I have a friend who works at one of the clubs near Parque Lleras. She said the clubs now stay open until 3 am.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2908327]Oh I have had a problem drinking the tap water in the past, in Medellin. Water outages will certainly result in contamination. [/QUOTE]The tolerance in tap water could be quite different between travellers and locals too. Just because locals could drink the tap water doesn't always mean that we could since the stomach flora inside could be quite different from living in different regions for most of our lives.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2600011]Get a proxy. Problem solved. I have been working "remote" in different countries for 10+ years and have a full paid proxy subscription so all my traffic (phone included) route back through the US.[/QUOTE]I get the proxy part for laptop but how do you route company phone? Do you turn of cellular network and just use phone via proxy VPN WiFi?

3 am? What time were they closing to begin with? It's a serious question, I've never been in the park later than 10 PM or so and then only years ago.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2908340]I have a friend who works at one of the clubs near Parque Lleras. She said the clubs now stay open until 3 am.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2907830]

I have been in the best parts, and I guarantee you the WORST parts of Colombia. I MARRIED into a VERY poor family and have seen true desperation and children going hungry. Even then they were some of the KINDEST people I have ever met. Don't be an asshole, be good to humans, and don't be an idiot and you should be ok.

I can't count the number of times I have fallen in love in Colombia. Like REAL romantic love. I [b]MARRIED[/b] one girl (there are a lot of posts about her in this very forum including great nudes of her too)(I still fucked everything that moved), but I loved this girl with all my heart. I have 10+ girls who I love like little sisters (I still fuck them), but I help them with clothes for school, birthday gifts, have met their families, been to weddings, funerals, Christmas at their house and more. Colombians are some of the most passionate and warm people in the world (probably only 2nd to Brazil). If you are single, you are VERY likely to fall in love - if you do fall in love... [b]please[/b] don't make the mistake I made (will continue to make). Just be honest, tell them you like fucking lots of women, and you will find a girl there who will let you fuck everyone and anyone and still love you (if you take care of her and. her family). Word of warning here: I have NEVER seen a hot Colombian woman over 45 years old. These girls AGE HARD. If you are going to get into a relationship, AIM YOUNG (18-23) and you will be dead before they get ugly.[/QUOTE]YYZ, I agree with practically everything you have written especially about how to treat the women. Then I come to this part and I am like are you out of your damned mind?

First off, I get what you are saying about the attraction. This impoverished girl that you married probably treated you like a king in the bedroom and was young and super hot. The ideal Colombian woman fucks the shit out of you, does your laundry, packs your bags, and will do literally anything you ask of them. That is a pipe dream in the USA.

But let's get real. Say you met the same 18 year old type not in Colombia but in West Virginia with an impoverished family. Do you think anyone would think such a marriage would work?

Yeah, I get it is man's innate desire to fuck as many women as possible, but before you get married, you better have found something in the woman you are considering marrying more valuable than that innate desire because that is what is going to keep you from straying. Eventually, you are going to get bored of the 18 year old girl and her family.

And getting from 18 to 23 before they get ugly? Well, yeah, if all you value is looks, then yeah, you should not get married. No matter how hot your woman is, one day you will see hotter.

The easy part is sweeping the women off their feet and having the women think you hung the moon. The hard part is your commitment to them. That means selling your woman to your friends, family, and coworkers. If she cannot make valuable connections with them, then your relationship is doomed. Was anyone in your personal circle hurt when things did not work out with you and your wife?

I am going to try not to brag about my woman, but if you were a friend of mine and flying into a city and needed anything, outside of paying, she would handle everything. And when she did, you would be telling me how lucky I am, and her friends are the same way. I would imagine you could do the same if someone visited you in your hometown.

One thing I cannot stand is government and divorce and all that bullshit about women getting half as if every woman is so valuable. When guys cheat, they usually do so because their wives are worthless, and they can. When I got divorced, nobody in my family missed my ex-wife or ever asked about how she is doing. There was no downside to cheating her on outside of the law so I did. If someone wanted to go out with her after my divorce, I would have said she is pretty and good in bed, but once you see the real her, you are going to want to run away. If she was so damned valuable, someone should have picked her up by now, and no one has.

If I broke up with my current gal, it would be devastating to her friends and family and to mine because there have been real bonds that have formed and knowing that prevents me from seeing other people. Also unlike my ex wife, there would be a line of guys out the door after her, and that would not be just based on looks but who she is. Hell, MY friends and family would be trying to fix her up if things did not work out.

The friends of my gal have all traveled and are college educated. Many have family in the USA and Europe, speak great English, and have foreign BFs and husbands. They are either professional or married to a person who is a professional. It was rare for me to have met anyone in Colombia who was not professional and could think long term. If you are a well to do American and want a Colombian woman, you have to marry someone from this class or it is not going to work. You have better odds of it working out with a USA hick from the sticks.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2908353]3 am? What time were they closing to begin with? It's a serious question, I've never been in the park later than 10 PM or so and then only years ago.[/QUOTE]They were closing at 4 am before the mayor changed it to 1 am. I only know when they used to close because my friend works until they close. I don't think I've ever been there past midnight.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2908301]Right? I haven't seen any signs telling the indigenous men to go back to their land, or saying grandpas aren't wanted here, or pamphlets being handed out to dance school owners telling them grooming is discouraged. There is a systemic problem in this country, along with many others, and a few dumb-F gringos are just a drop in the bucket. Keystone cops don't help, but if you ask me, a grandpa R-ing his granddaughter sends you to a real special place compared to some foreign slob being an idiot in what would certainly seem like an illegal agreement between parties type situation (based on the elevator video). Certain people will take to the streets for whatever the topic of the day is, but it boggles my mind on how locals can hear half a story from their neighbor's grandma's maid's friend on whatsapp, Day 1, and never think for a second there could be more to the story. Gentrification is my other hot button issue. Zimbabwe is at 130%, pretty sure there aren't many gringos buying apartments and bottles of alcohol there. Gas is up 50% in the US and I don't hear too many people blaming it on the Colombians in Miami or NYC. Ok, that's my rant for the day. All this greenery and peace at The Masters got me in the mood to pick a fight with my laptop LOL. In case anyone is worried, this has nothing to do with being sexually frustrated!

Enjoy the weekend. Cheers![/QUOTE]Yes I agree the whole country is crooked from the police all the way to president. But here's the thing. This is not our country.

The stories of druggings and medellin basically being the new worlds brothel all backtracks back to the type of gringo tourists that they don't want in their country.

Every measure they are taking in Cartagena and Mde realistically is to get rid of the blatant sex tourists that publicize and embarrass their country. Ie Passport Bros and YouTubers.

Most of us go there to take their women and you expect Colombian men in general to be ok with that??

[QUOTE=ChickySat;2908352]I get the proxy part for laptop but how do you route company phone? Do you turn of cellular network and just use phone via proxy VPN WiFi?[/QUOTE]If you have to have a phone number, You probably have to put it into airplane mode and use WiFi calling or use your own phone. The solution that works for some do not work for all. If your device has company management software on it, they practically control / own and see everything on your device. The best method is to put VPN on the router

If you are important enough to your direct manager, and is not afraid of losing your job. Try to tell the manager that and the manager might just let you do it or provide a compromise

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2908301]Right? I haven't seen any signs telling the indigenous men to go back to their land, or saying grandpas aren't wanted here, or pamphlets being handed out to dance school owners telling them grooming is discouraged. There is a systemic problem in this country, along with many others, and a few dumb-F gringos are just a drop in the bucket. ..[/QUOTE]I know a girl that would hide in my bed to pretend that she was sleeping when she received call from certain people. The first time I saw that she hid in the bed to start a video call, then pulled her breast out so the caller on the other side could see. It didn't even seem sexual because it was natural, like drinking water but it was odd to me. I asked who was that. She said something like that was a man who was like her father.

I remember another senior poster wrote about gringos who lived in certain part of the country supported the whole family of the girl. I know one who has an old gringo boyfriend. She told me she could not leave her boyfriend because he supported her family including her grandmother. They hardly had sex but the gringo wanted a child after she turned 18. I met this gringo because he was obsessed with her and tracked her down to my apartment. He paid the expenses of the girl and her best friend to vacation somewhere because the best friend wanted to see something. He put them in a separate house or cabin in the same place. They only met for dinner. I can see the gringo is very wealthy by what he owns and what the girls got.

Anyway, I see a few girls from poor background have stories like these once I spent enough time with them.

No BS. He's a huge resource so pay attention! He is also semi young, wealthy, and good looking. (no I'm not gay).

No one here rates themselves like they rate the girls. So figuring out how they rate, catch, pay for or find these girls is hugely variable. If you are not an 8 you can't do what an ISG pro does. IMHO I believe you should consider your own resources, likes and planning before jumping down the rabbit hole (Medellin) Meet him if he's available! My other hero here (Elvis) is out of action and I had to go to Brazil all by myself! Portuguese is fascinating, so are the girls. Alas, No one offers a complete guide to Sao Paulo / Rio like this read by xyz.

I can vouch for one time I witnessed him do a 6 or was it 7? Girl rotation within a few hours. No wonder the hotel manager wanted him to slow down. LOL. I personally can't keep up with that.

Right now I feel blessed to have found a young sex crazed student in Bogota that I will bring to Medellin. I might have a few days to kill. Let you all know later. Thanks xyz. See you again one day.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2907830]Ok guys, it's been a LONG time since I have written a report, but I will do my best to outline this for everyone on what I think is useful I have learned in the past 5 or so years. Also, for haters or the "I don't believe you" crowd out there. Save it, I don't come to ISG often, I won't waste time with replying to nonsense. [B]My next trip to MDE will be from 4/28 - 5/3[/B]. If you are not an FNG and have made contributions to this board, please reach out and I'm happy to buy you a beer or share a bottle with you one night at a club.
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The best advice I can give you, is go with someone who has gone before. Be open to seeing more than just the inside of a young girls panties, and you will have the time of your life. You will see kind people, beautiful women, amazing food, and best of all it will give you perspective into an amazing emerging culture in which you can be a part of. Cheers, and happy hunting!![/QUOTE]

I have not reported in a while. I thought I would post a quick note from a veteran. I just completed a one week trip to Medellin. By far my best trip so far on three of four years. I don't do streets and stopped clubs a while ago. I do strict ID check and I don't do Airbnb and use hotels with good protocols. Keeping those factors in mind, I had a great time. Parque Lleras has cleaned up a lot but still ways to go in my opinion but is so much better now. You can actually walk the streets without bumping into a dozen, clearly underaged hookers. Provenza is nicer too. Hope it stays this way and continue to be cleaned up. Cheers.

BTW, clubs open till 2 am in Zona Rosa and outside the zone, till 4 am.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2908399]Yes I agree the whole country is crooked from the police all the way to president. But here's the thing. This is not our country.

The stories of druggings and medellin basically being the new worlds brothel all backtracks back to the type of gringo tourists that they don't want in their country.

Every measure they are taking in Cartagena and Mde realistically is to get rid of the blatant sex tourists that publicize and embarrass their country. Ie Passport Bros and YouTubers.

Most of us go there to take their women and you expect Colombian men in general to be ok with that??[/QUOTE]This is a huge contrast to say Thailand where they WANT us there. Even the guys from the cab drivers to club staffers. Seems everyone there is on with the 'program' as they are all pushing girls on us and entire industry like Pattaya is built on mongering world. And yes there are many Youtubers there particularly ex pats with lots of girls willing to go on video to promote themselves and their bars. Something is obviously very different in Colombia which is preventing the same reception that we get in Thailand or even the Philippines.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2908485] Something is obviously very different in Colombia which is preventing the same reception that we get in Thailand or even the Philippines.[/QUOTE]Some of you forget that Colombia remains a conservative Catholic country which is the thing different from Thailand. Colombian politicians are in a catch 22 where on the hand they need tourists money but on the other hand their conservative base is outraged by the excess of careless foreigners.

All would be well if things happened discreetly but us Americans don't do discreet.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2908443]No BS. He's a huge resource so pay attention! He is also semi young, wealthy, and good looking. (no I'm not gay).[/QUOTE]Yeah, there are things you can say that might not trigger things for people who do not know any better like being Ambassador level at Marriott. During the pandemic, I used the Marriott card exclusively and traveled to mostly Marriott hotels. A friend told me about the red carpet treatment of being Ambassador and I finally got to the point where I had 100+ nights in a year. I thought I had made Ambassador but just went from Titanium to Titanium elite and would have had to spend an additional $10,000 to reach Ambassador. Even being Titanium, the managers at the hotels would kiss my ass but Ambassador is a whole different thing. If you are an Ambassador level, the hotel is required to kick out another guest and put you up even if you do not have a reservation.

I can see why he is your hero. I can tell just from what he writes he is a huge player.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2908443]IMHO I believe you should consider your own resources, likes and planning before jumping down the rabbit hole (Medellin) Meet him if he's available! My other hero here (Elvis) is out of action and I had to go to Brazil all by myself! Portuguese is fascinating, so are the girls.

Alas, No one offers a complete guide to Sao Paulo / Rio like this read by xyz.[/QUOTE]And you have killed it taking the seeking model to whole new level. It worked out for me but I really admired your approach to the game.

There was a guy named Bwana Dik I think who did a great write up on Rio. For the most part, it is pretty accurate. I think Atlantic Avenue is safer now and HELP disco has shut down but I am not sure Rio has changed much outside of that so his guide probably would still be good. Sao Paulo has Scandallo but all the other clubs are much the same as twenty years ago from what I gather, but I have never seen a definitive SP guide. Maybe you should write one, Don. LOL.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2908340]I have a friend who works at one of the clubs near Parque Lleras. She said the clubs now stay open until 3 am.[/QUOTE]I was there three days ago and all of the clubs in Parque Lleras promptly closed at 1:00 am.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2908399]Most of us go there to take their women and you expect Colombian men in general to be ok with that??[/QUOTE]LOL. Take their women? You talk like you are going down and associating with the cream of the crop A1 female citizens. I am sure they do not give a damn about those hood ass hookers that foreigners are coming to pay.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2908450] I don't do Airbnb and use hotels with good protocols. [/QUOTE]Any recommendations on hotels with good protocols currently? Some of the information in this thread seems to be out of date.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2908527]LOL. Take their women? You talk like you are going down and associating with the cream of the crop A1 female citizens. I am sure they do not give a damn about those hood ass hookers that foreigners are coming to pay.[/QUOTE]Maybe that's your exclusive range of women you deal with.

I've met doctors lawyers art dealers business owners all of whom have funded their educations through discreet ways.

I have friends who have met many girls who live normal lives now with well paying jobs by Colombian standards.

Many of them are married and make a good living. But if we call them up for a good time most likely they won't be turning it down.

Theres also a list of A list Colombian women (newscasters, models, telenova actresses etc) that are available companions as well. They start at 2 k usd.

Maybe they don't give a rats ass about hood rats but they care that your main objective of being there is to bang their women.

I even know a female cop with a BF that use to be a fb girl. And I'm sure for the right price she'll come out. Lots of things you're not seeing and simply don't know. There's a much bigger side to it.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2908353]3 am? What time were they closing to begin with? It's a serious question, I've never been in the park later than 10 PM or so and then only years ago.[/QUOTE]This is not current information, because it's been ages since I was in Parque Lleras until the bars closed. On weekends, including Sunday if Monday was a holiday, they would stay open until 4 AM. Weeknights most would stay open until 1 AM.

Word of advice if you plan on staying until everything closes. Make certain you are within walking distance of your hotel or apartment. One night, at 4 AM I was unable to get a taxi, long lines down at Parque Poblado, swarms of people flagging down anything all around the park. I walked around trying to find 1. By the time I returned to Parque Poblado, all the taxis were gone and the streets were empty. Walked to La Frontera (the southern border between Poblado and Envigado) at 5 AM, a 40 minute walk at a fast, steady pace.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2908527]LOL. Take their women? You talk like you are going down and associating with the cream of the crop A1 female citizens. I am sure they do not give a damn about those hood ass hookers that foreigners are coming to pay.[/QUOTE]Most of the girls have boyfriends and they enjoy the money that the girl is earning from you. They are not jealous or angry at you. They screw the girls for free and they know that the girls love them. They know that you have to pay a week's wages to have sex with their girls, and the girls don't really like you. So there is nothing to get jealous or angry about. If anything, they probably see you as pathetic because you pay so much for what they get for free.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2908527]LOL. Take their women? You talk like you are going down and associating with the cream of the crop A1 female citizens. I am sure they do not give a damn about those hood ass hookers that foreigners are coming to pay.[/QUOTE]How odd. Many foreigners from many countries travel at sometimes great expense to be with these "hood ass hookers" and use up their entire vacation time to be with them. Seems like you said before that nearly half the Colombian women are prostitutes. So nobody cares about half the women in Colombia? Just because they sell themselves does not mean they are bad people. One man's ugly duckling is another man's swan. So yes many guys local and foreign care about these women. I am one of them. They must mean something to you too since you have nearly 16,000 posts on this site dedicated to hookers which requires a large commitment of your time. Putting down hookers hardly makes you any kind of man. Please stop your alpha dog BS.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2908450]I have not reported in a while. I thought I would post a quick note from a veteran. I just completed a one week trip to Medellin. By far my best trip so far on three of four years. I don't do streets and stopped clubs a while ago. I do strict ID check and I don't do Airbnb and use hotels with good protocols. Keeping those factors in mind, I had a great time. Parque Lleras has cleaned up a lot but still ways to go in my opinion but is so much better now. You can actually walk the streets without bumping into a dozen, clearly underaged hookers. Provenza is nicer too. Hope it stays this way and continue to be cleaned up. Cheers.

BTW, clubs open till 2 am in Zona Rosa and outside the zone, till 4 am.[/QUOTE]What do you do during the day (12 pm to 8 pm)? I'm bored as hell during those hours.

Nothing to do.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2908340]I have a friend who works at one of the clubs near Parque Lleras. She said the clubs now stay open until 3 am.[/QUOTE]I'm here now. Gates are close by 2:45 am.

Casas, mileroticos apartments, or museums and shopping malls.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2908554]What do you do during the day (12 pm to 8 pm)? I'm bored as hell during those hours.

Nothing to do.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2908553]How odd. Many foreigners from many countries travel at sometimes great expense to be with these "hood ass hookers" and use up their entire vacation time to be with them. Seems like you said before that nearly half the Colombian women are prostitutes. Putting down hookers hardly makes you any kind of man. Please stop your alpha dog BS.[/QUOTE]I never said half of Colombian women are prostitutes. That is not my rationale at all. That seems to be from guys that only deal with hookers, therefore they assume most women are hookers. I mostly deal with women that are not hookers so I do not see the country that way.

I also never said hookers are bad people. Are you saying that you give a rat's ass about people paying to fuck the hookers where you are from? This is just another one of those old gringo tales they use to make themselves feel superior to the locals. I think you misunderstood my post. My post was actually putting down the foreign mongers that think the local people are jealous of them. Does them doing that make them any kind of a man? Do you think they should stop the alpha foreign monger superior to the locals BS? Or maybe you feel you are better than the locals and they are jealous of you as well.

It looks like I could lead a happy life as a Centro rat in New York. Jackson Heights, Queens is Little Venezuela now that more have arrived and more Colombians moved out to northern New Jersey. This street scene likes quite a bit like Parque Berrio [URL]https://nypost.com/2024/04/14/us-news/nyc-block-turned-into-illicit-open-air-market-for-migrant-crooks-sources/[/URL].

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2908553]How odd. Many foreigners from many countries travel at sometimes great expense to be with these "hood ass hookers" and use up their entire vacation time to be with them. Seems like you said before that nearly half the Colombian women are prostitutes. So nobody cares about half the women in Colombia? Just because they sell themselves does not mean they are bad people. One man's ugly duckling is another man's swan. So yes many guys local and foreign care about these women. I am one of them.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it is pretty scary when you see these girls before they turn into adults. I met an engineer making $900 a month, and if my gal's daughter became an engineer and learned that other women were making 2 or 3 X what she was on her back, I would be afraid she might get discouraged and / or quit her studies. It is hard to stay motivated when they payoff is years down the line.

And one of her friends is an amazing dancer. She has the spinner build that you do not see much in the Latin world and would be in huge demand in the monger world if she kept her figure for a few years, but she has very big plans in the dancing world. It would be tragic if she did not pursue her dream and for whatever reason had to turn to the monger world to make ends meet.

And I saw a customs lady in Medellin show me a really nasty attitude. We got into Medellin early in the morning from Mexico. I was in the front of the plane and the only line open was for Colombians. My gal and her daughter were behind me and were going to use the bio mig line so I went ahead. Well, the customs agent looked with absolute disgust at all the Colombia stamps on my passport, and she was about to send me to the foreigner line which had just opened and would have been a long wait. Anyway, my gal and her daughter passed by my line just then and smiled and the customs woman asked who is that, and I said my GF and she saw that I was there so often to be with them and not a bunch of hookers, and she stamped the passport, smiled, and let me through. I wish you could have seen the disgust in this woman's face versus the smile she gave me. It was unreal how quickly her emotions changed.

So for all this talk of simps and guys "ruining the market" by overpaying, it is actually those very guys, the cheap charlies, hanging in places like Centro and Parque Lleras that the Colombian government is after.

I don't know what percentage of attractive 18 to 30 girls are hookers but I'm sure it's high. The temptation to monetize your beauty on SA or tinder is high, especially if you can pick the guys you want to be with vs working at a casa where you don't have that option.

I would love to know which hotel you stayed at. I am not into clubs or streets. I am in Medellin in a few weeks, thinking of just sticking to calling girls from lacelestina.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2908450]I have not reported in a while. I thought I would post a quick note from a veteran. I just completed a one week trip to Medellin. By far my best trip so far on three of four years. I don't do streets and stopped clubs a while ago. I do strict ID check and I don't do Airbnb and use hotels with good protocols. Keeping those factors in mind, I had a great time. Parque Lleras has cleaned up a lot but still ways to go in my opinion but is so much better now. You can actually walk the streets without bumping into a dozen, clearly underaged hookers. Provenza is nicer too. Hope it stays this way and continue to be cleaned up. Cheers.

BTW, clubs open till 2 am in Zona Rosa and outside the zone, till 4 am.[/QUOTE]

Has anyone used a personal all-day tour guide from sites like [URL]www.showaround.com[/URL] ?

I am not trying to sleep with them; I just need a girl to hang out with and enjoy the nightlife and do the touristy thing while knowing I will not be drugged and robbed.

Bonus points if she can be my wingwomen.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2908583]
And I saw a customs lady in Medellin show me a really nasty attitude. We got into Medellin early in the morning from Mexico. I was in the front of the plane and the only line open was for Colombians. My gal and her daughter were behind me and were going to use the bio mig line so I went ahead. Well, the customs agent looked with absolute disgust at all the Colombia stamps on my passport, and she was about to send me to the foreigner line which had just opened and would have been a long wait. Anyway, my gal and her daughter passed by my line just then and smiled and the customs woman asked who is that, and I said my GF and she saw that I was there so often to be with them and not a bunch of hookers, and she stamped the passport, smiled, and let me through. I wish you could have seen the disgust in this woman's face versus the smile she gave me. It was unreal how quickly her emotions changed.

So for all this talk of simps and guys "ruining the market" by overpaying, it is actually those very guys, the cheap charlies, hanging in places like Centro and Parque Lleras that the Colombian government is after.[/QUOTE]She was pissed because you were in the wrong line, trying to bypass the foreigner's line.
She softened up when she saw the family.
I have many Colombian entry stamps in my PP and the officials are always friendly towards me when I greet them with a courteous buenas tardes, etc.
Never a look of disgust.

The Colombian government is not after Cheap Charlies, but pedis, regardless of price.

Get over yourself. 🤪

[QUOTE=Balboa;2908636]She was pissed because you were in the wrong line, trying to bypass the foreigner's line.
She softened up when she saw the family.[/QUOTE]Uh, there was no agent in the foreigner's line, and she knew it. If it was a question of being in the wrong line, she would have said that up front. It was leafing through the passport and seeing how many Colombia stamps I had that pissed her off. I was there. You were not. You are making shit up to make yourself feel better.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2908636]I have many Colombian entry stamps in my PP and the officials are always friendly towards me when I greet them with a courteous buenas tardes, etc.
Never a look of disgust.[/QUOTE]That is great. It reminds me of when in the USA the police left guys seeing hookers alone until they did not. Everyone was convinced that the cops were going after people seeing trafficked women The police said otherwise and said that if you were seeing pros, you were supporting trafficking and few believed the police were serious. Then they did stings arresting thousands including billionaire Robert Kraft. That was a huge reason I gave up the hobby in the USA.

And guys were in denial until they were not. They had no issues with LE until they did.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2908636]The Colombian government is not after Cheap Charlies, but pedis, regardless of price. Get over yourself. [/QUOTE][URL]https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-04-02/medellin-declares-war-on-sex-tourism-after-us-citizen-found-with-two-little-girls-at-a-hotel.html[/URL]

The first repercussions of the discovery of a USA Citizen with two girls, aged 12 and 13 respectively, in a luxury hotel in Medelland's El Poblado neighborhood were announced on Monday. At a press conference, Mayor Federico Gutirrez said that he would be signing two decrees: one, prohibiting sex work in the area of Medelland for six months, and another the enforcement of a 1 am Closing time for bars in the area for a month.

[URL]https://www.financecolombia.com/us-government-pledges-medellin-mayor-federico-gutierrez-full-support-against-sexual-predators-human-trafficking/[/URL]

Medelland's Mayor Federico "Fico" Gutierrez met this week with US Ambassador to Colombia Francisco Palmieri in Bogot to discuss joint efforts against sexual predators and human trafficking. Ambassador Palmieri pledged the total cooperation of the US government and its resources to support Colombian law enforcement, and to bring any American perpetrators to justice, including extradition of American citizens to Colombia.

Does that say that if the mayor says you are fucking women 18 and over you are fine? Hell no. Is the USA government going to support you if you are in trouble? Hell no. The USA ambassador has said he is coming after you if you get in trouble.

You are seeing what you want not what is being said and written and attacking anyone who does not cow tow to your POV. You need to get over yourself. So now besides the druggings and the theft and the killings, you have two governments condemning what you are doing, but that is okay. Everyone should listen to you because you have it all figured out.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2908345]The tolerance in tap water could be quite different between travellers and locals too. Just because locals could drink the tap water doesn't always mean that we could since the stomach flora inside could be quite different from living in different regions for most of our lives.[/QUOTE]You just need to get one of these water filters. I've had this one since Feb 2023 and it works great. You just fill it up with tap water and it filters out all the bacteria.

There's different shops that sell them or on Facebook marketplace you can find them cheap I think I got this one for 60 mil.

Also when the water goes out you still have drinking water.

[QUOTE=ChickySat;2908352]I get the proxy part for laptop but how do you route company phone? Do you turn of cellular network and just use phone via proxy VPN WiFi?[/QUOTE]I could write a long post about this, but to keep it simple. I use a portable mini-router that is VPN connected to a reliable VPN provider (exiting in the US). It allows no traffic if VPN is down. I connect that mini-router to the place I am staying local wifi. Then my work laptop is connected to it. My work phone (I keep that separate from a personal one) has GPS / location and cellular turned off BEFORE I leave the US. I connect it to the router too, wifi calls allowed. This would not work with highly secure equipment (which can have additional GPS capabilities inside phone or laptop), but for 90% of all corporate setups this works perfect. This gets you to appear as if still in the US. I also use the same VPN at home, so corporate security sees my traffic ALWAYS originating from the same place when I am home or not. There are other methods to increase stealth level (wireguard to a home network, etc.) - but this general setup works great for my corporate setup.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2908698]I could write a long post about this, but to keep it simple. I use a portable mini-router that is VPN connected to a reliable VPN provider (exiting in the US). It allows no traffic if VPN is down. I connect that mini-router to the place I am staying local wifi. Then my work laptop is connected to it. My work phone (I keep that separate from a personal one) has GPS / location and cellular turned off BEFORE I leave the US. I connect it to the router too, wifi calls allowed. This would not work with highly secure equipment (which can have additional GPS capabilities inside phone or laptop), but for 90% of all corporate setups this works perfect. This gets you to appear as if still in the US. I also use the same VPN at home, so corporate security sees my traffic ALWAYS originating from the same place when I am home or not. There are other methods to increase stealth level (wireguard to a home network, etc.) - but this general setup works great for my corporate setup.[/QUOTE]I get this part and I currently use gli router with vpn. But challenge with phone is you can't carry it outside room (if you want to bang in lunch break) and to check email or attend teams. Looking for solution to it.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2908583]......And I saw a customs lady in Medellin show me a really nasty attitude...... the customs agent looked with absolute disgust at all the Colombia stamps on my passport.......[/QUOTE]Reminds me of the immigration officer at Bangkok international airport many years ago in the days when I used to visit Thailand frequently. He looked at my passport and said to me "You like Thailand girls, eh" with a big smile on his face. He further said "Thailand girls very beautiful, eh".

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2908554]What do you do during the day (12 pm to 8 pm)? I'm bored as hell during those hours.

Nothing to do.[/QUOTE]I'm spending only three nights in Medellin for my first trip since I'm also enroute to Peru and Panama as well. That's really only two full days in town which I intend to spend in addition to a casa visit each day, a visit to Comuna 13 and take the cable car up to Parque Arvi. I also like to sample local food so will be spending time at local restos too. If I had more time, I would take day trips out of town too. I think there seems to be quite a lot to do during the daytime there, not just mongering.

I appreciate that you shared this information in a responsible way. Too often I see people on expat social media describing what works for them as "this is the way to do it." You added the very important caveat that there are organizations that don't allow even your expert configuration. Usually it's payroll tax concerns that cause companies to ban off shore work; other companies don't have multinational operations, and still others have defense or other government contracts that prohibit offshore access by employees. When I doubt I usually recommend getting permission to work "remotely from time to time" to prevent summary dismissal if you are discovered. With that in hand, you can finesse extended time away. I agree with you that your setup is going to get it done in all but extreme situations.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2908698]I could write a long post about this, but to keep it simple. I use a portable mini-router that is VPN connected to a reliable VPN provider (exiting in the US). It allows no traffic if VPN is down. I connect that mini-router to the place I am staying local wifi. Then my work laptop is connected to it. My work phone (I keep that separate from a personal one) has GPS / location and cellular turned off BEFORE I leave the US. I connect it to the router too, wifi calls allowed. This would not work with highly secure equipment (which can have additional GPS capabilities inside phone or laptop), but for 90% of all corporate setups this works perfect. This gets you to appear as if still in the US. I also use the same VPN at home, so corporate security sees my traffic ALWAYS originating from the same place when I am home or not. There are other methods to increase stealth level (wireguard to a home network, etc.) - but this general setup works great for my corporate setup.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2908650]Uh, there was no agent in the foreigner's line, and she knew it. If it was a question of being in the wrong line, she would have said that up front. It was leafing through the passport and seeing how many Colombia stamps I had that pissed her off. I was there. You were not. You are making shit up to make yourself feel better.

That is great. It reminds me of when in the USA the police left guys seeing hookers alone until they did not. Everyone was convinced that the cops were going after people seeing trafficked women The police said otherwise and said that if you were seeing pros, you were supporting trafficking and few believed the police were serious. Then they did stings arresting thousands including billionaire Robert Kraft. That was a huge reason I gave up the hobby in the USA.

And guys were in denial until they were not. They had no issues with LE until they did.

[URL]https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-04-02/medellin-declares-war-on-sex-tourism-after-us-citizen-found-with-two-little-girls-at-a-hotel.html[/URL]

The first repercussions of the discovery of a USA Citizen with two girls, aged 12 and 13 respectively, in a luxury hotel in Medelland's El Poblado neighborhood were announced on Monday. At a press conference, Mayor Federico Gutirrez said that he would be signing two decrees: one, prohibiting sex work in the area of Medelland for six months, and another the enforcement of a 1 am Closing time for bars in the area for a month.

[URL]https://www.financecolombia.com/us-government-pledges-medellin-mayor-federico-gutierrez-full-support-against-sexual-predators-human-trafficking/[/URL]

Medelland's Mayor Federico "Fico" Gutierrez met this week with US Ambassador to Colombia Francisco Palmieri in Bogot to discuss joint efforts against sexual predators and human trafficking. Ambassador Palmieri pledged the total cooperation of the US government and its resources to support Colombian law enforcement, and to bring any American perpetrators to justice, including extradition of American citizens to Colombia.

Does that say that if the mayor says you are fucking women 18 and over you are fine? Hell no. Is the USA government going to support you if you are in trouble? Hell no. The USA ambassador has said he is coming after you if you get in trouble.

You are seeing what you want not what is being said and written and attacking anyone who does not cow tow to your POV. You need to get over yourself. So now besides the druggings and the theft and the killings, you have two governments condemning what you are doing, but that is okay. Everyone should listen to you because you have it all figured out.[/QUOTE]Hmmm thanks for the rant, Lol.

Have they made prostitution, in general, illegal in Colombia?
Or illegal only for foreigners?
Cheap Charlie's?

I can understand the stand against predators (pedis). That has always been illegal, but now being enforced more strongly, which I support.
According to you, they (the government, US and Colombia) are after you if you engage in any type of prostitution.
Which is legal in Colombia, with adults.

Have there been mass arrests of guys engaging in LEGAL prostitution?
No.

No need to blow a gasket and demean people because they don't fully agree with your point of view on something.
Youre an alarmist, which is Ok if thats what you want.
Im a realist. Not everyone is out to get me if Im not breaking any laws.

I am kind and respectful to the people of Colombia, and they are towards me as well.
I speak their language fluently.
Ive being going there for about 25 years now.
Not one look of digust towards me.

[QUOTE=ChickySat;2908700]I get this part and I currently use gli router with vpn. But challenge with phone is you can't carry it outside room (if you want to bang in lunch break) and to check email or attend teams. Looking for solution to it.[/QUOTE]Setup your personal phone to VPN to US then set it up to be a WIFI hot spot. Connect work phone (with cellular and GPS turned off) via WIFI to personal phone.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2908554]What do you do during the day (12 pm to 8 pm)? I'm bored as hell during those hours.
Nothing to do.[/QUOTE]What do you do at home 12-8 when not working? There are amazing lunch places to visit, breweries, a number of rather impressive malls for shopping, movie theaters, bicycle rentals / tours, gyms, moto rentals, a dozen tourist sites to check out, or go get a super inexpensive teeth whitening / cleaning and explore other possible medical options, etc. Same or more options as any big city in the USA. Plus many of those same ladies you've been frequenting at night would gladly be a tour guide / company for exploring the city. I've never been bored there.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2908740]What do you do at home 12-8 when not working? There are amazing lunch places to visit, breweries, a number of rather impressive malls for shopping, movie theaters, bicycle rentals / tours, gyms, moto rentals, a dozen tourist sites to check out, or go get a super inexpensive teeth whitening / cleaning and explore other possible medical options, etc. Same or more options as any big city in the USA. Plus many of those same ladies you've been frequenting at night would gladly be a tour guide / company for exploring the city. I've never been bored there.[/QUOTE]That is what I was going to say. If you are bored and say there is nothing to do, what do you do when you're not working? Just do what you would normally do. If you're surfing the Internet, surf the Internet. If you just watch all day watching porn, just watch porn. If you drink all day, go to a bar and drink. If you watch sports on tv, just watch sports on tv. Pretty much everything that you would do in your home country when you're not working, you can do in Medellin.

Generally guys who are bored in Medellin are also bored in their home countries.

Now, for some guys, nothing to do means they want to have sex in the daytime along with sex at night. And if that is what you want, plenty of options there. Casas, streetwalkers in El Centro and online girls.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2908554]What do you do during the day (12 pm to 8 pm)? I'm bored as hell during those hours.

Nothing to do.[/QUOTE]I also find MDE quite boring by large city standards. But afternoon and early evening is my PEAK time period. I either go casa, Centro streets, message a regular, or go early evening to a street club. Usually home and bored by 8 or 9 pm.

I saw this sign in one of the public transportation buses in Medellin today. It basically says that it's not acceptable to be ogling the ladies. It doesn't say ladies, but I think that is implied. It doesn't say anything about minors or foreigners, and there aren't a lot of foreigners riding the buses. I don't think the authorities are only picking on foreigners.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2908539]...

I've met doctors lawyers art dealers business owners all of whom have funded their educations through discreet ways.

I have friends who have met many girls who live normal lives now with well paying jobs by Colombian standards.

Many of them are married and make a good living. But if we call them up for a good time most likely they won't be turning it down.

[/QUOTE]So you just reinforce what I have observed in Medellin. I assume you are talking about sex for money. There are things that I just don't want to know from people I know, especially that they have been selling sex. It's not my business, telling me does nothing.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2908539]...
Theres also a list of A list Colombian women (newscasters, models, telenova actresses etc) that are available companions as well. They start at 2 k usd.

Maybe they don't give a rats ass about hood rats but they care that your main objective of being there is to bang their women.

I even know a female cop with a BF that use to be a fb girl. And I'm sure for the right price she'll come out. Lots of things you're not seeing and simply don't know. There's a much bigger side to it.[/QUOTE]These are very discrete. I doubt regular citizens would know. I don't think it is the problem. I think the problem is what Lleras has become if you compare it to before pandemic. Also so many foreigners concentrate in one area created a non level playing field.

You will see the same messaging in every metro and tranvia car as well as on the public address monitors and audio announcements. I think you are projecting a bit.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2908794]I saw this sign in one of the public transportation buses in Medellin today. It basically says that it's not acceptable to be ogling the ladies. It doesn't say ladies, but I think that is implied. It doesn't say anything about minors or foreigners, and there aren't a lot of foreigners riding the buses. I don't think the authorities are only picking on foreigners.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2908720]I'm spending only three nights in Medellin for my first trip since I'm also enroute to Peru and Panama as well. That's really only two full days in town which I intend to spend in addition to a casa visit each day, a visit to Comuna 13 and take the cable car up to Parque Arvi. I also like to sample local food so will be spending time at local restos too. If I had more time, I would take day trips out of town too. I think there seems to be quite a lot to do during the daytime there, not just mongering.[/QUOTE]Yes, I went to Comuna 13. It was very good. Some very nice views. There really isn't much to in terms of mongering during the day. From 12 to 9 pm I was bored as hell.

And the constant harassment for money, to buy things and to patronize a busines is too much for me. My ftiend and i was walking toward parque llares and a girl and i guess her bother harassed us for a block. They try to push us to stop and pretty much demanded money. Mind you they where with there mother or other relatives. The kids were native indians and about 7 and8. I looked at my homeboy saying to him do you see this. It was crazy. He said it worst in Cartagena.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2908802]Yes, I went to Comuna 13. It was very good. Some very nice views. There really isn't much to in terms of mongering during the day. From 12 to 9 pm I was bored as hell..[/QUOTE]Energy Spa is only about one Metro stop away from the one you get off for Comuna 13. I would combine these for a single trip. Going to do the same thing with New Life spa and back on the Metro to do the cable cars up to Parqe Arvi. Add on stops to eat, why wouldn't that help fill a day? Back to hotel by mid to late afternoon for a nap before dinner time. Just have to plan things out in order not to get bored, that's all.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2908807]Energy Spa is only about one Metro stop away from the one you get off for Comuna 13. I would combine these for a single trip. Going to do the same thing with New Life spa and back on the Metro to do the cable cars up to Parqe Arvi. Add on stops to eat, why wouldn't that help fill a day? Back to hotel by mid to late afternoon for a nap before dinner time. Just have to plan things out in order not to get bored, that's all.[/QUOTE]Just a heads up bro the Linea L of the metro cable (the one that goes from Santo Domingo to Parque Arvi) doesn't run on Mondays. Also early in the morning and late in the afternoon and early evenings the metro is extremely packed with alot of people. Also when you get off at Acevedo to get on the metro cable do NOT try to get on linea K between 5 pm - 8 pm as there will be a huge line all the way down the stairs.

You will have to buy a seeívica card for 10 mil pesos to use the metro or you can go to the servicio al cliente centers at san Antonio station or Acevedo station and use your passport to get a personalized seeívica card for free and you will also get better prices on using the metro and on línea L as well because I think with the tarjeta eventual they charge more. With the personalized card you can also run it negative up to cost of one viaje.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2908795]So you just reinforce what I have observed in Medellin. I assume you are talking about sex for money. There are things that I just don't want to know from people I know, especially that they have been selling sex. It's not my business, telling me does nothing.

These are very discrete. I doubt regular citizens would know. I don't think it is the problem. I think the problem is what Lleras has become if you compare it to before pandemic. Also so many foreigners concentrate in one area created a non level playing field.[/QUOTE]My point was to rebut what Mr E. Said that Colombia doesn't care about hoodrats as if they're the only hookers around.

Where the regular citizen gets effected is when their wife or GF gets caught and it causes problems. It's all a trickle down effect. The locals are getting effected the most not just in poblado now but envigado and laureles as well.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2908802]There really isn't much to in terms of mongering during the day. From 12 to 9 pm I was bored as hell.[/QUOTE]Did you end up going to the 5 dollars place by Pelourinho? You can go to El Centro to do the same during daytime. The quantity and quality are better with much smaller ass. Then you can go to the Centro strip clubs in the evening. That should occupy some of your time. It can be boring if you are just here on vacation. Have you tried asking the girl you met at night to come during daytime?

Do the touristy stuffs first, Go to gym, chill in the park, take a chica out to the mall, try different restaurants, try coffee shops, ride the cable car, take a day trip with a chica to outside towns of Medelln, walk around in El Centro, try the Casas, get a legit massage from spas, invite your favorite chica to hangout at your place during the day.

And the list goes on just have to plan better.

Great write up, need more like this. Great update. It will be my 4th time in Medellin in 2 years. Keeping current on the info is always helpful. Too bad as I will be gone by the 21 to Panama for a few days or I would have bought you a drink!

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2907830]Ok guys, it's been a LONG time since I have written a report, but I will do my best to outline this for everyone on what I think is useful I have learned in the past 5 or so years. Also, for haters or the "I don't believe you" crowd out there. Save it, I don't come to ISG often, I won't waste time with replying to nonsense. [B]My next trip to MDE will be from 4/28 - 5/3[/B]. If you are not an FNG and have made contributions to this board, please reach out and I'm happy to buy you a beer or share a bottle with you one night at a club.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2908856]Do the touristy stuffs first, Go to gym, chill in the park, take a chica out to the mall, try different restaurants, try coffee shops, ride the cable car, take a day trip with a chica to outside towns of Medelln, walk around in El Centro, try the Casas, get a legit massage from spas, invite your favorite chica to hangout at your place during the day.

And the list goes on just have to plan better.[/QUOTE]Daytime Activities:

I recommend Comuna 13, Parque Arvi, Guatape (bus from terminal del norte), The town of Caldas (ride metro to La Estrella, take bus that days "metro caldas" Parque Explora aquarium and planetarium, Aero parque Juan Pablo (watersides and swimming pools, I've gone 3 times with 3 different chicas), Various museums (there are 2 in the Botero Plaza area), California Buffet (ayura metro station), check out Itagui and Envigado in the south and Bello (yes I said Bello) in the north.

Medellin why sus alrededores have much to offer, if you're bored here it's due to your own lack interest.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2908830]... Then you can go to the Centro strip clubs in the evening.[/QUOTE]Please do elaborate. Strip clubs in El Centro?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2908899]Daytime Activities:

I recommend Comuna 13, Parque Arvi, Guatape (bus from terminal del norte), The town of Caldas (ride metro to La Estrella, take bus that days "metro caldas" Parque Explora aquarium and planetarium, Aero parque Juan Pablo (watersides and swimming pools, I've gone 3 times with 3 different chicas), Various museums (there are 2 in the Botero Plaza area), California Buffet (ayura metro station), check out Itagui and Envigado in the south and Bello (yes I said Bello) in the north.

Medellin why sus alrededores have much to offer, if you're bored here it's due to your own lack interest..[/QUOTE]All good options. Boredom is a choice, not the fault of any place. I'll add some more.

Go to the castle museum in Poblado. Completely explore the metro system. Go to the bottom level of the Cenro Comercial Santa Fe Mall and race the carts. Have lunch at Classic Diner in Envigado for the Colombian version of a US 1950's Diner. Besides Caldas, there's Santa Fe de Antioquia and other small towns to visit, or Go to Pueblito Paisa in Medellin. Go to the stadium, El Estadio in Laureles. You can watch all types of sports for free, from cheerleading to basketball to martial arts to skateboarding, diving, basketball, volleyball and soccer (futbol). There's a smaller stadium where you can watch matches for free.

Go to the sports park in Envigado and learn to play Tejo, the Colombian national sport. Do the Hare Krishnas still do their thing in El Centro by Iglesia Veracruz? There's usually a few musicians busking by the Poblado Metro station. Also you'll often find various types of street performers at the busy intersections, jugglers, dancers, singers. There used to be some in Laureles with a slack rope setup (look up the Madonna Super Bowl halftime show for an example).

On Sundays and Holiday Mondays there's Ciclovia. In Poblado, 1 side of Avenida Poblao is shut down for pedestrians, joggers, bicyclists, skateboarders, roller bladers and a lot of young women in spandex. It's a good chance to get some exercise, drink fresh juices, eat fresh fruit and admire all the hot women. I usually refer to it as the camel toe parade.

I wasn't terribly impressed with California Buffet, but maybe I went at a bad time. However, just down the street is Los Contenadores, a collection of restaurants built out of shipping containers. There's also Mercado de Rio, Mercado de Tranvia and Mercado De La Playa, nice collections of restaurants. Look up La Mayoria, a restaurant overlooking Envigado, where they have horse shows throughout the weekend. Excellent food and views.

Finding something to alleviate boredom in Medellin is easy, but you do have to take the time to search things out.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2908830]Then you can go to the Centro strip clubs in the evening.[/QUOTE]Can you give me a list of a good Centro strip clubs? As I have only been to La isla and Fase dos. What's the price of girls there? Safety at night in Centro is the reason why I've never bother to go there at dark.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2908899]Daytime Activities:

I recommend Comuna 13, Parque Arvi, Guatape (bus from terminal del norte), The town of Caldas (ride metro to La Estrella, take bus that days "metro caldas" Parque Explora aquarium and planetarium, Aero parque Juan Pablo (watersides and swimming pools, I've gone 3 times with 3 different chicas), Various museums (there are 2 in the Botero Plaza area), California Buffet (ayura metro station), check out Itagui and Envigado in the south and Bello (yes I said Bello) in the north.

Medellin why sus alrededores have much to offer, if you're bored here it's due to your own lack interest.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]I never knew Medellin has waterpark LOL. I would definitely check that out with a chica.

What's anything to see and visit in Bello? I heard a lot of people talked about that place all the time but also one place that I have never visited.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2908807]Energy Spa is only about one Metro stop away from the one you get off for Comuna 13. I would combine these for a single trip. Going to do the same thing with New Life spa and back on the Metro to do the cable cars up to Parqe Arvi. Add on stops to eat, why wouldn't that help fill a day? Back to hotel by mid to late afternoon for a nap before dinner time. Just have to plan things out in order not to get bored, that's all.[/QUOTE]My wingman who has been to Medellin a few times didn't want to goto centro without a guide, he says its too dangerous to walk around as a foreigner. I wanted to go during the day, but we didn't know exactly where all the casa are.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2908830]Did you end up going to the 5 dollars place by Pelourinho? You can go to El Centro to do the same during daytime. The quantity and quality are better with much smaller ass. Then you can go to the Centro strip clubs in the evening. That should occupy some of your time. It can be boring if you are just here on vacation. Have you tried asking the girl you met at night to come during daytime?[/QUOTE]I did not know about the $5 spot in Pelourinho. What is it? I wanted to goto El Centro during the days, but we didn't know exactly the area where all the casas are. We did goto centro. We went to the park with the fat lady statues and took a few pics. We walked around and brought some souvenirs. I like females fat assess. I ask four different girls that I meet in parque lleras to come by during the day. Only one showed up. The other 3 never came, they all had different excuses, but they all hit me up hours after the time they where suppose to show up asking do I want to still see them. These girls are unreliably.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2908856]Do the touristy stuffs first, Go to gym, chill in the park, take a chica out to the mall, try different restaurants, try coffee shops, ride the cable car, take a day trip with a chica to outside towns of Medelln, walk around in El Centro, try the Casas, get a legit massage from spas, invite your favorite chica to hangout at your place during the day.

And the list goes on just have to plan better.[/QUOTE]I went to Medellin to hook up with the ladies. None really to be found during the day in parque lleras. I wen to the mall, I ate at different resaurants, I don't drink coffee, I didn't do the cable car, I don't know any chica that well to go outside towns of Medelin (my first time in Colombia), I did walk around centro and I didn't get a massage.

I went to Medellin to mess around with some chicas, but from 12 pm tp 8 pm its no chicas around. I try calling some over during the day. But only 1 out of 4 showed up.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2908949]I never knew Medellin has waterpark LOL. I would definitely check that out with a chica.

What's anything to see and visit in Bello? I heard a lot of people talked about that place all the time but also one place that I have never visited.[/QUOTE]Yes they have several water parks, aeroparque Juan Pablo is the closest and easiest to get to. Another one called parque de las aguas is about 40 minute drive to the north near Barbosa or Girardota, I've been to that one once.

There is a lot in Bello. I personally like riding the metro to the end at niquia and going to the mall there called Centro Comercial Puerta del Norte. It has a movie theater inside and a lot of good places to eat including a mcdonald's and a KFC as well as some more upscale more expensive restaurants. And popsy ice-cream too which I highly recommend. I actually spent some time in Bello recently. I was going to post a report about it when I went there one night and met up with the friend of this chica yoxemily that I fucked there in 2023. And I spent several hours there in Bello walking thru their parks and their cathedral and went to a 3 hour hotel with the Chica and had a great session. I ended up not posting the report tho because I have alot of haters here who talk shit to me when I post reports like my last Bogota report for example.

But anyways there is lots of stuff to do in Medellin. Enjoy.

Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2908955]I went to Medellin to hook up with the ladies. None really to be found during the day in parque lleras. I wen to the mall, I ate at different resaurants, I don't drink coffee, I didn't do the cable car, I don't know any chica the well to go outside towns of Medelin (my first time in Colombia), I did walk around centro and I didn't get a massage.

I went to Medellin to mess around with some chicas, but from 12 pm tp 8 pm its no chicas around. I try calling some over during the day. But only 1 out of 4 showed up.[/QUOTE]If all you want is chicas then just go to plaza botero during the daytime hours, problem solved. There is nothing to be afraid of there just use your common sense and you will be fine.

My very first visit to Medellin I went to Botero and no one killed me.

Hello brothers around the world!

I'm a Korean planning a sex tour of Central and South America! I think I'll probably fly into Medellin next week!

So can you give me some tips and nightlife hotspots?

I've seen a lot of YouTube videos of women with huge asses wearing leggings and jeans in dense areas like squares. Can you point me to those areas? Are all women dressed in slutty clothes working girls? I want threesomes I also want information of threesomes girls with good teamwork.

Lastly, I'm Asian and in Asia we don't do waxing Is it true that waxing has been popularized in the West and especially in South America? Do chika hate it if you have hair? Do I have to go get waxed I don't want it to hurt meow.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2908955]I went to Medellin to mess around with some chicas, but from 12 pm tp 8 pm its no chicas around. I try calling some over during the day. But only 1 out of 4 showed up.[/QUOTE]Day time casas and downtown chicks. Night time strip clubs and parque lleras chicks. Any time facebook chicks, mileroticos, other online sites. You didn't even go to New Life? Did you guys do any research before the trip?

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2907830]In closing. My years in Colombia have been some of the best of my life. I have become closer to God learning true religious culture. I have fucked literally 100's of women, had 3-somes, 4-somes, 5-somes, and FAR more once with 23 girls + me in a place in Guatape. The smell of vagina was HEAVENLY and one of my best memories in life.[/QUOTE]So I was going to be that guy and re-post that long quality post again that YyzTravel put up a few pages back because to be honest it still reaIly deserves honorable mention BUT what I want to ask is could you tell the story of how you wounded up being around 23 females and you. And you smashing ALL 23💪. To have that type of stamina is amazing as I too have a VERY high sex drive but to coordinate and bring together 23 females for you pleasure is MOST Impressive.

Hell me and brother Grownman1 tried to setup a 10 woman smash-a-thon for my return to DR a couple years ago and it was a logistic nightmare😳. We wounded up with only 5 ladies coming over and had a blast but if GM1 wasnt there to help coordinate everything I wouldve been screwed.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2908953]...We went to the park with the fat lady statues and took a few pics. ...[/QUOTE]You don't know where things are. You can go again around 4 PM or before noon, walk further inside find the white church Veracruz That is where you can find them. When you leave, it will be the opposite direction, go straight and walk across the street and turn right at the light. You will find two strip clubs. You should be able to see the big rabbit ear sign from the park, or google Conejitas.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2908980]You don't know where things are. You can go again around 4 PM or before noon, walk further inside find the white church Veracruz That is where you can find them. When you leave, it will be the opposite direction, go straight and walk across the street and turn right at the light. You will find two strip clubs. You should be able to see the big rabbit ear sign from the park, or google Conejitas.[/QUOTE]I am surprised at the number of guys who don't know where things are and what to do in Medellin when they arrive in Medellin. Before you leave, you can actually read this thread and go back a number of pages and get a lot of useful information. There is also this new thing called the Internet where you can find information about stuff. There is also this website a few people know about called YouTube where there are videos posted by guys about where to go, how to get there and how things work. You don't have to come to Medellin with no knowledge of the place. It's a choice I guess, but knowing things makes for a better trip.

Conejitas and Barra Executiva, I think Club Maracaibo did not reopen after the pandemic. Use uber or didi to arrive and leave after dark. I haven't been in a while but I think they cost 100 or so on site and 150 or so take out. Other members please keep me honest about the cost because my information about that is out of date.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2908949]I never knew Medellin has waterpark LOL. I would definitely check that out with a chica.

What's anything to see and visit in Bello? I heard a lot of people talked about that place all the time but also one place that I have never visited.[/QUOTE]

We can kill two birds with one stone. You can cure your boredom by spending an hour or two to RTFF about Centro casas and have information you need to guide your wingman.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2908950]My wingman who has been to Medellin a few times didn't want to goto centro without a guide, he says its too dangerous to walk around as a foreigner. I wanted to go during the day, but we didn't know exactly where all the casa are.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2908950]My wingman who has been to Medellin a few times didn't want to goto centro without a guide, he says its too dangerous to walk around as a foreigner. I wanted to go during the day, but we didn't know exactly where all the casa are.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2908957]If all you want is chicas then just go to plaza botero during the daytime hours, problem solved. There is nothing to be afraid of there just use your common sense and you will be fine.

My very first visit to Medellin I went to Botero and no one killed me.[/QUOTE]

I did goto that plaza. Didnt see any spots with chicas. I guess i have to look a little harder.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2908959]Day time casas and downtown chicks. Night time strip clubs and parque lleras chicks. Any time facebook chicks, mileroticos, other online sites. You didn't even go to New Life? Did you guys do any research before the trip?[/QUOTE]I did some. But my friend been to Medellin a few times. I thought parque lleras had day time action.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2908980]You don't know where things are. You can go again around 4 PM or before noon, walk further inside find the white church Veracruz That is where you can find them. When you leave, it will be the opposite direction, go straight and walk across the street and turn right at the light. You will find two strip clubs. You should be able to see the big rabbit ear sign from the park, or google Conejitas.[/QUOTE]
Ok, thanks for the info. I just looked it up. The Playmates Bar Show

Crazy, I was so close.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2909009]I did goto that plaza. Didnt see any spots with chicas. I guess i have to look a little harder.[/QUOTE]When refer to "Botero" I mean the whole area. The caballo statue and all the girls from where the tostao used to be along that side of the Centro Comercial Veracruz, the Veracruz church, the pedestrian walkway from Botero Real all the way to the panadería (yellow restaurant as the non Spanish speakers call it), Cra 53 on both sides starting from hotel brisas de jardíand across from. Centro comercial cascadas all the way down to the closet doors hotel at the back of the museum, then hang right and back to the caballo statue.

That whole big circle I just discribed is what I mean when I say "Botero".

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2909011]Ok, thanks for the info. I just looked it up. The Playmates Bar Show

Crazy, I was so close.[/QUOTE]The other club is Grill Nueva Avenida. I don't know the current price. It was 70 K maybe a year ago but I have seen a guy paid much more. That should give you a base to negotiate from. The Centro girls should be about 40 K and the cost of the room. If it's late but metro is still running. I would just walk straight to metro instead of calling Uber.

Just finishing a 11 day trip. I got in late at night on the 10 pm flight on Spirit from FLL. I was not happy to pay 150 K* to Centro but that is a problem with those early flights. The good news is at that hour there is no traffic. Going thru Customs is a breeze instead the usual 90 minute if you come in the afternoon.

Everything seems pretty much the same as my last trip around 6 months ago. Of course for most of my trip t got around 3700 rate from the ATM. Now it is 3900. Barra Exutiva It is on Calle 53. Best value for a strip club. Plenty of 8's for 150 K.

[QUOTE=Wkahddl2;2908958]Hello brothers around the world!

I'm a Korean planning a sex tour of Central and South America! I think I'll probably fly into Medellin next week!

So can you give me some tips and nightlife hotspots?

I've seen a lot of YouTube videos of women with huge asses wearing leggings and jeans in dense areas like squares. Can you point me to those areas? Are all women dressed in slutty clothes working girls? I want threesomes I also want information of threesomes girls with good teamwork.

Lastly, I'm Asian and in Asia we don't do waxing Is it true that waxing has been popularized in the West and especially in South America? Do chika hate it if you have hair? Do I have to go get waxed I don't want it to hurt meow.[/QUOTE]Just view the original post below to see the full report.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2907830]Ok guys, it's been a LONG time since I have written a report, but I will do my best to outline this for everyone on what I think is useful I have learned in the past 5 or so years. Also, for haters or the "I don't believe you" crowd out there. Save it, I don't come to ISG often, I won't waste time with replying to nonsense. [B]My next trip to MDE will be from 4/28 - 5/3[/B]. If you are not an FNG and have made contributions to this board, please reach out and I'm happy to buy you a beer or share a bottle with you one night at a club.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2909008]We can kill two birds with one stone. You can cure your boredom by spending an hour or two to RTFF about Centro casas and have information you need to guide your wingman.[/QUOTE]I spend a few bucks on Uber and you go past some the fringe areas. They have cops all over the place during the day. It's the place to go during the day when you have nothing to do.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2909026]When refer to "Botero" I mean the whole area. The caballo statue and all the girls from where the tostao used to be along that side of the Centro Comercial Veracruz, the Veracruz church, the pedestrian walkway from Botero Real all the way to the panadera (yellow restaurant as the non Spanish speakers call it), Cra 53 on both sides starting from hotel brisas de jardand across from. Centro comercial cascadas all the way down to the closet doors hotel at the back of the museum, then hang right and back to the caballo statue.

That whole big circle I just discribed is what I mean when I say "Botero".[/QUOTE]Centro is actually much bigger than just that tho. You also have avenida de greiff and the Raudal area (although those girls are all old and fat). There is also the adjacent parque berrio area and the girls in the metro stairs and coffee girls / candy girls roaming around the upper part of parque berrio area where the trees are.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2908614]I would love to know which hotel you stayed at. I am not into clubs or streets. I am in Medellin in a few weeks, thinking of just sticking to calling girls from lacelestina.[/QUOTE]Someone else just asked me the same question. I almost always stay at Haven. Hands-down, my favorite hotel. One girl a day is included in your room rate. From the second girl on, they charge a nominal fee, but way more reasonable than other nice hotels. A solid 4 star in every way. Wake building would be my favorite 5 star option but they have recently changed their policy where they don't allow non-registered guest. 3 star option is Provenza lofts.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2908554]What do you do during the day (12 pm to 8 pm)? I'm bored as hell during those hours.

Nothing to do.[/QUOTE]OK. The answer to this question depends on which type of visitor you are. If you're relatively new to Medellin, then I would say that there is so much to do. When I was new to Medellin, I would spend my afternoons hiking or sightseeing. I have done all the tours you can think of, parasailing ATV rides, coffee tours, Parks, botanical gardens, cable, cars, and outings to fincas , it actually took me a few years of frequent visits to do everything in and out and around Medellin. During those years, I was also building contacts of girls. And I did all these activities solo.

Now, I just go to see girls. Between noon and 8 PM, I would have two girls come. One at 2 PM and do Rappi or room service lunch with her, and one at 7 PM and have Rappi or room service dinner with her and followed by one at 10 PM who I have drinks with and smoke. I almost never break this routine, unless I get a bit under the weather. I currently have one single male friend in the city. I almost always hang out only with the girls.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2909079]OK. The answer to this question depends on which type of visitor you are. If you're relatively new to Medellin, then I would say that there is so much to do. When I was new to Medellin, I would spend my afternoons hiking or sightseeing. I have done all the tours you can think of, parasailing ATV rides, coffee tours, Parks, botanical gardens, cable, cars, and outings to fincas , it actually took me a few years of frequent visits to do everything in and out and around Medellin. During those years, I was also building contacts of girls. And I did all these activities solo.

Now, I just go to see girls. Between noon and 8 PM, I would have two girls come. One at 2 PM and do Rappi or room service lunch with her, and one at 7 PM and have Rappi or room service dinner with her and followed by one at 10 PM who I have drinks with and smoke. I almost never break this routine, unless I get a bit under the weather. I currently have one single male friend in the city. I almost always hang out only with the girls.[/QUOTE]I just go to see the girls mainly. I did a few tourist thing. Went to Comuno 13 and the park with the fat people statue. I ask 4 chicas to come to my hotel during the day and only 1 showed up. I meet all of them at Parque llares during the night. I gave then a time and the 3 chicas miss the time by hours. They wanted to come by later but I said no.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2909038]Barra Exutiva It is on Calle 53. Best value for a strip club. Plenty of 8's for 150 K.[/QUOTE]Haven't been there in a long time. Is that what it cost to leave with them or is that what it cost with the room there. If I remember the rooms are horrible there.

You are having a low success rate with girls coming to your hotel because you are asking Lleras girls. The one who accepted did it at night because it was convenient to her Lleras schedule. During the day, these girls are living their lives, running errands, and seeing to family. If you want to have girls visit you during the day you will have to meet them during the day. Places you can do that are casas, Plaza Botero, shopping centers, supermarkets, bars. You were in Plaza Botero but could not find girls. Follow the instructions another member gave you for Botero Plaza. Get away from the tourists and head to the white church (Veracruz). There are girls everywhere as you approach the church from any direction. They are in front of the church, along its side, and behind the church. 30 k to 40 k plus room cost of 10 k or so is what you have to pay. If these procedures don't work for you I recommend you try a different destination.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2909085]I just go to see the girls mainly. I did a few tourist thing. Went to Comuno 13 and the park with the fat people statue. I ask 4 chicas to come to my hotel during the day and only 1 showed up. I meet all of them at Parque llares during the night. I gave then a time and the 3 chicas miss the time by hours. They wanted to come by later but I said no.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for this amazing report.

I am planning to create a Youtube channel and OnlyFans with hot women from around the world. I also want to date local girls and am planning to move to Colombia for an initial 3 months. I have some more questions.

1. Are there any other online platforms other than facebook to meet girls? Is Tinder / Badoo an alternative, if not how else?

2. I would like to get a couple of girls to do activities, be my guide, visit attractions and also fuck senseless. How much do the girls charge for full days? I assume all the prices in the report below are for an hour?

3. What is the best app for dating. Is Tinder the best or another?

4. I assume all the advice below and prices are also applicable for Cartagena?

5. Can you elaborate on PhotoPrepagos? Is this the best online for Columbian paid girls? One hot girl charging 110 mil. Is this likely to be bait and switch / scam or is it generally ok and girls working from own apartment? Is it safe to go to a girls apartment?

6. What are the best brothels? Is there anything like FKK sharks in Germany (best brothel in world - 100 hot women, all walking around naked, outdoor pool, bar, dancing, spa, jacuzzis, sauna, food all day).

7. Can you get PrEP and DoxyCycline in Columbia or best to get in home country?

8. What are the best stripclubs?

9. You say you once had 23+ girls in Guatapé. If you go away from the city, what is the best way to meet girls in places like Guatapé? Did you take the 23 girls with you or how did you get them all at once in a small tourist place?

Many thanks. I really appreciate any help you can provide!!

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2907830]Ok guys, it's been a LONG time since I have written a report, but I will do my best to outline this for everyone on what I think is useful I have learned in the past 5 or so years. Also, for haters or the "I don't believe you" crowd out there. Save it, I don't come to ISG often, I won't waste time with replying to nonsense. [B]My next trip to MDE will be from 4/28 - 5/3[/B]. If you are not an FNG and have made contributions to this board, please reach out and I'm happy to buy you a beer or share a bottle with you one night at a club.

[B][U] Flights [/U][/B]
[INDENT]
I have been flying to MDE now for 5+ years, and I can tell you without a doubt that Spirit sucks, but is great for MDE trips. If you are coming from the S.East USA, then fly Spirit through Miami or FLL. Outside of that, both American does direct flights and Delta does a flight that connects through Bogota. I will usually fly 1st class. / Delta 1 and prices are creeping up. It used to be $600 ish and now D1 is creeping up to $1200 or more. Plan ahead, and look forward to a good sex trip. At any given point, I like to have 4-5 trips ahead planned so I can manage my personal and work life around my mongering life. If you don't know about "Scotts Cheap Flights" which is now called "Going", I suggest you sign up. I have booked tickets almost a year in advance with this service and mongered now in 20+ countries flying in first class on the cheap cost with their help. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CoolieHigh;2908975]So I was going to be that guy and re-post that long quality post again that YyzTravel put up a few pages back because to be honest it still reaIly deserves honorable mention BUT what I want to ask is could you tell the story of how you wounded up being around 23 females and you. And you smashing ALL 23💪. To have that type of stamina is amazing as I too have a VERY high sex drive but to coordinate and bring together 23 females for you pleasure is MOST Impressive.

Hell me and brother Grownman1 tried to setup a 10 woman smash-a-thon for my return to DR a couple years ago and it was a logistic nightmare😳. We wounded up with only 5 ladies coming over and had a blast but if GM1 wasnt there to help coordinate everything I wouldve been screwed.[/QUOTE]In short, I told my girls I rented the giant luxury property in the middle of the lake in Guatape, and I arranged for Xandu (the eletronica DJ) for the weekend. I rented a giant motor coach, and told them all arrive at 11 am or get left. (we actually left at 12:30 since I know girls there run late). I loaded all the food, alcohol, lighting, drugs and DJ in a bus and just brought it all at one time. I didn't give a shit if the girls knew each other or liked each other, the rule was "cause drama, get kicked out". I probably didn't fuck all of them over the course of 3 days, but I certainly recall when there were 8/9 of us in bed at once when I wanted to do one of those bend-over line ups.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2909085]I just go to see the girls mainly. I did a few tourist thing. Went to Comuno 13 and the park with the fat people statue. I ask 4 chicas to come to my hotel during the day and only 1 showed up. I meet all of them at Parque llares during the night. I gave then a time and the 3 chicas miss the time by hours. They wanted to come by later but I said no.[/QUOTE]Now I understand why you asked what do you do in the afternoon. Everyone's style, interest and comfort level are different. People should do what they are comfortable with. I can only say what I do. I don't do street pick ups. I actually get nervous. My style is more like the long poster XYZ, I shop on the phone. It is totally true about cancellations (you get a break) and late arrivals (can get interesting with a leaving girl and coming girl overlapping LOL).

A typical working girl in Medellin wakes up at 1 PM so an afternoon date can be a hit or miss. So knowing them helps. I repeat a lot. Only 20% or even less are new girls. Mongers and girls is like a General contractor / Sub contractor relationship. The sub tends to show up on time and does a good job not because they worry about loosing that contract, but the implicit threat of not getting future contracts.

I mentioned lack of guy friends in MDE but from time to time, I travel with newbies from homeland. This certainly fills up the afternoons and makes for a bit of party time in the evenings.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2909085] I meet all of them at Parque llares during the night. I gave then a time and the 3 chicas miss the time by hours. They wanted to come by later but I said no.[/QUOTE]Since most of the girls at Parque Lleras seem to come out later at night, I would imagine that many of them would be sleeping during the first half of the daytime with them being night owls. When I was a younger man, I would be okay with this but I find as I get older, I prefer to sleep at a not so late hour and get up earlier in the mornings to start my days. This is why I'll likely try to session during the daytime and mid evening hours rather than very late at night.

Fuck this is so cool.

So did you pay the girls for their time for 3 days? How much did that cost per girl?? How many male friends did you invite? The whole trip must have cost a fortune!

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2909133]In short, I told my girls I rented the giant luxury property in the middle of the lake in Guatape, and I arranged for Xandu (the eletronica DJ) for the weekend. I rented a giant motor coach, and told them all arrive at 11 am or get left. (we actually left at 12:30 since I know girls there run late). I loaded all the food, alcohol, lighting, drugs and DJ in a bus and just brought it all at one time. I didn't give a shit if the girls knew each other or liked each other, the rule was "cause drama, get kicked out". I probably didn't fuck all of them over the course of 3 days, but I certainly recall when there were 8/9 of us in bed at once when I wanted to do one of those bend-over line ups.[/QUOTE]

I am a newbie visitor to Columbia. Would you recommend Medellin or Cartagena in terms of girls and in terms of fun / experiences?

Or as I am flying from UK should I spend time in both cities?

What length of time would you recommend?

[QUOTE=UKBadBoy;2909117]Thanks for this amazing report.
.....
Many thanks. I really appreciate any help you can provide!![/QUOTE]I usually don't reply to such a question laden post, but I'm going to break my rule here for you and all other peeps who are inspired in the same way: Here is my advice: [B] Stop talking about it and just go and do it.[/B] You can read 100 books on riding a bike, or you can spend 2-3 hours and learn to do it better. I'm wishing you the best of luck, but what you are describing is literally what [B]every guy here wants to do.[/B] They talk about, and then nothing ever comes of it. After doing this now 15+ years, I can tell you out of every 10 guys on this forum talking big dreams, on average less than 1 really go and do it.

Most of your questions can be answered in a single trip to MDE. You are planning a whole lot. Go back 200 pages and read every single post. Take notes, make a map, make a plan and go do it. Don't talk like most of the guys here. Just go do it. Show up in MDE when I'm there and I will show you everything you asked for and more, but until then, I'm going to say. Put your toe in the water before you plan on jumping into the deep end.

[B] P. S. [/B] - Sharks is an amazing FKK, no doubt, but Scandello in Brazil makes Sharks look like a dump.

[QUOTE=UKBadBoy;2909117]I am planning to create a Youtube channel and OnlyFans with hot women from around the world.[/QUOTE]And that is exactly what people on this website do not want. Another person yelling, "Hey. Come over here and fuck this place up too. ".

Greetings gentleman,

I have recently been relocated back to the American continent thanks to Brandon and his idiotic politics, and thus, I am within range of Columbia. I have decided to go to Medellin in May, but I have never been to this beautiful city and don't know the lay of the land yet.

Now, I am not new to the hobby; my primary playground used to be Kyiv, Odessa, Moscow, and St. Petersburg. However, as you can guess, for obvious reasons, my company no longer operates in those markets, and thus, I am back in the Estados Unidos (hard facepalm). I am not new to Colombianas, as I used to be a big fan of Camp in Curacao (during its glory days) and even St. Martin bars. Therefore, I know that I like this type of cake a lot, but my old pals either got married or are halfway around the world. (yes, I am looking at you "retired" in Thailand lads). Traitors smh.

Thus, I have come to humbly request your advice, companionship, and wisdom. I don't mind the lone wolf game, but I always had more fun with friends and made some amazing life long friends through these kinds of shenanigans over the years.

I will be more than happy to return the favor and take you on a tour of your lifetime in Slavic paradise once this BS dies down, as I know every fish market imaginable in those lands.

Meanwhile, if you do find it in your heart to take me under your wing in Colombia, I promise to be a fun friend, NOT a LEECH. Of course, drinks / food / party favors are on me, and who knows, we might even become great friends. I have been known to give great business and legal advice; heck I am on the board of a couple of those monger-started businesses now lmao. Yes, sometimes great ideas do come at 3 AM at night after post-nut clarity.

I will be flying in after May 7 (I am guessing from May 12 to 21) for a 10-day stint this time. However, due to work assignments, I will be in Colombia at least one week every two months, so this won't be a one-time thing for sure.

Once again, I would be more than grateful if you were willing to meet up and show me around. If the past is any indication, I am not the worst person to be around. Thank you in advance for your time and consideration.

Now, I did research and know a little about where the action is, what hotels to book, etc, but I still have questions.

1. Why are hotels preferred over Airbnbs? Security is not really an issue for me, but do hosts not let you bring chicas over, or what is the deal here? Can they be convinced to let you live a little? Please expend on this.

Through research, I found out that Airbnbs are much more economical (plus you live in a local neighborhood not a hotel), and I don't really care about breakfast or their security guard. This would allow me to allocate more budget to fun than waste on fancy hotels. I am budgeting around 350 per diam for fun. Please provide your input here; all advice is welcome.

2. If Hotels are really your preferred method, then please provide your favorites. (I do have a list going, but I would love to cross-reference just in case I am missing good ones.).

3. I have a list of casas and clubs from this forum research, but if you do not mind, tell me your favorites; ones that are worth visiting.

4. Anything else I should know? Feel free to share your wisdom.

P.S. My Spanish is not the greatest, but I can communicate; plus, I pick up languages like these girls pick up new bodies.

P. P.S. I know about membership, and I'm already doing the Bitcoin thing. It is in the process; membership should be up and running within a week. I stupidly lost access to my old throwaway email and can't log in to my old account with posts.

Hi Guys,

I was wondering if anyone could report on Parque Lleras at night ? Specifically, are there still girls walking around outside of the clubs, near the park, around the businesses. I have read that the clubs are still open til at least 3 am but was wondering how is the scene around them at night? Going there in early June, so hoping the timing is good.

I recommend you tone it way down, especially anything you plan to publish on the Internet. Even if City Hall were not under political pressure over "quality of life" issues, the plans you described would be pushing the envelope. You have been warned, proceed as you choose.

[QUOTE=UKBadBoy;2909117]Thanks for this amazing report.

I am planning to create a Youtube channel and OnlyFans with hot women from around the world. I also want to date local girls and am planning to move to Colombia for an initial 3 months. I have some more questions.

1. Are there any other online platforms other than facebook to meet girls? Is Tinder / Badoo an alternative, if not how else?

2. I would like to get a couple of girls to do activities, be my guide, visit attractions and also fuck senseless. How much do the girls charge for full days? I assume all the prices in the report below are for an hour?

3. What is the best app for dating. Is Tinder the best or another?

4. I assume all the advice below and prices are also applicable for Cartagena?

5. Can you elaborate on PhotoPrepagos? Is this the best online for Columbian paid girls? One hot girl charging 110 mil. Is this likely to be bait and switch / scam or is it generally ok and girls working from own apartment? Is it safe to go to a girls apartment?

6. What are the best brothels? Is there anything like FKK sharks in Germany (best brothel in world - 100 hot women, all walking around naked, outdoor pool, bar, dancing, spa, jacuzzis, sauna, food all day).

7. Can you get PrEP and DoxyCycline in Columbia or best to get in home country?

8. What are the best stripclubs?

9. You say you once had 23+ girls in Guatap. If you go away from the city, what is the best way to meet girls in places like Guatap? Did you take the 23 girls with you or how did you get them all at once in a small tourist place?

Many thanks. I really appreciate any help you can provide!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2909133]In short, I told my girls I rented the giant luxury property in the middle of the lake in Guatape, and I arranged for Xandu (the eletronica DJ) for the weekend. I rented a giant motor coach, and told them all arrive at 11 am or get left. (we actually left at 12:30 since I know girls there run late). I loaded all the food, alcohol, lighting, drugs and DJ in a bus and just brought it all at one time. I didn't give a shit if the girls knew each other or liked each other, the rule was "cause drama, get kicked out". I probably didn't fuck all of them over the course of 3 days, but I certainly recall when there were 8/9 of us in bed at once when I wanted to do one of those bend-over line ups.[/QUOTE]What was the damage, next time we should partner up.

Any one know of a nice hotel in El Poblado that is guest friendly (Looking for one in the $100 range).

Jay.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2909133]In short, I told my girls I rented the giant luxury property in the middle of the lake in Guatape, and I arranged for Xandu (the eletronica DJ) for the weekend. I rented a giant motor coach, and told them all arrive at 11 am or get left. (we actually left at 12:30 since I know girls there run late). I loaded all the food, alcohol, lighting, drugs and DJ in a bus and just brought it all at one time. I didn't give a shit if the girls knew each other or liked each other, the rule was "cause drama, get kicked out". I probably didn't fuck all of them over the course of 3 days, but I certainly recall when there were 8/9 of us in bed at once when I wanted to do one of those bend-over line ups.[/QUOTE]Lololololololololololololol.

[QUOTE=UKBadBoy;2909182]I am a newbie visitor to Columbia. Would you recommend Medellin or Cartagena in terms of girls and in terms of fun / experiences?

Or as I am flying from UK should I spend time in both cities?

What length of time would you recommend?[/QUOTE]Don't waste your money in Cartagena. The best girls in Medellin are still half the price.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2909236]Any one know of a nice hotel in El Poblado that is guest friendly (Looking for one in the $100 range).

Jay.[/QUOTE]Provenza Lofts hotel.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2909092]Haven't been there in a long time. Is that what it cost to leave with them or is that what it cost with the room there. If I remember the rooms are horrible there.[/QUOTE]150 k for 30 min, and 150 k as take out fee.

It's the biggest strip club in El Centro.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2909236]Any one know of a nice hotel in El Poblado that is guest friendly (Looking for one in the $100 range).

Jay.[/QUOTE]I would recommend the Royal Du Parc Hotel. Will get a nice standard room for that price, which includes a good breakfast buffet. The other great feature which gives me peace of mind is their security. They make sure that your guest has proper ID, will make a copy of it, and will not allow her to leave the hotel until they call your room and verify you are okay. The hotel is very close to Parque LLeras which makes it convenient to pull girls from that area and take them back via a short 2 block walk. It is best to contact the hotel directly rather than go through online sites and you will get a better rate. This is where I mainly stay when I am there. Here is the link:

[URL]https://hotelduparc.com.co/?partner=5134&utm_source=google&utm_medium=gmb&utm_campaign=web_link[/URL]

The next best option for me is The Haven hotel. For 100 dollars you will get a smaller but more modern looking room. The hotel is about 7 blocks from Parque Lleras. The security is not as good and the girls will be asked to produce identification but are not stopped on the way out to call you first. Book with the hotel directly for best rates.

https://havenmedellin.com/

Another good option in your price range is The Art Hotel which is also a couple of blocks from Parque Lleras. Rooms are modern and industrial, well priced, but lack a view. Rooms here can be found online via hotel aggregate sites like Agoda, Hotels Combined, Booking, etc.

All of the above are guest friendly.

Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2909293]I would recommend the Royal Du Parc Hotel. Will get a nice standard room for that price, which includes a good breakfast buffet. The other great feature which gives me peace of mind is their security. They make sure that your guest has proper ID, will make a copy of it, and will not allow her to leave the hotel until they call your room and verify you are okay. The hotel is very close to Parque LLeras which makes it convenient to pull girls from that area and take them back via a short 2 block walk. It is best to contact the hotel directly rather than go through online sites and you will get a better rate. This is where I mainly stay when I am there. Here is the link:

[URL]https://hotelduparc.com.co/?partner=5134&utm_source=google&utm_medium=gmb&utm_campaign=web_link[/URL]

The next best option for me is The Haven hotel. For 100 dollars you will get a smaller but more modern looking room. The hotel is about 7 blocks from Parque Lleras. The security is not as good and the girls will be asked to produce identification but are not stopped on the way out to call you first. Book with the hotel directly for best rates..[/QUOTE]Not the good time at all to book a hotel.

This April 3, Federico Gutiérrez has decided to end prostitution for six months in Medellin, and all hotels and Airbnb must follow the rule and not accept visitors. If you look at the latest videos on YouTube of Medellin's street (Plaza Botero for example) there are no girls outside, they are hiding. That's why I advise you not to book a hotel. In my opinion the best way to outsamrt this is to take the girls in the cheap room hotel for short time.

Perhaps someone who is currently in Medellin at this time can tell us the exact situation.

The clicks are worth money so I don't see the YouTube cowboys going away any time soon. I hope it doesn't lead to yet more regrettable events. I would really rather not read about another Colombia Jake situation.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2909197]And that is exactly what people on this website do not want. Another person yelling, "Hey. Come over here and fuck this place up too..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2909236]Any one know of a nice hotel in El Poblado that is guest friendly (Looking for one in the $100 range)..[/QUOTE]Estelar Blue and Estelar Apartamentos. They check ID. Allow girls, and have rooms with balconies. Great locations. Fair price--though it used to be so much cheaper. Book the room for 2 or they charge $20 bucks for each girl that goes to the room.

[QUOTE=KebabOperator;2909217]

1. Why are hotels preferred over Airbnbs? Security is not really an issue for me, but do hosts not let you bring chicas over, or what is the deal here? Can they be convinced to let you live a little? Please expend on this. [/QUOTE]Some airbnbs limit guests or have policies that require you to contact the host each time you have a guest for approval. If you find one with a relaxed guest policy, then the consensus seems to say go with that.

[QUOTE]
2. If Hotels are really your preferred method, then please provide your favorites. (I do have a list going, but I would love to cross-reference just in case I am missing good ones.).

3. I have a list of casas and clubs from this forum research, but if you do not mind, tell me your favorites; ones that are worth visiting.
[/QUOTE]More of a general comment -- this site can be difficult to extract information from as it is, requiring reading / skimming a lot of irrelevant posts to find what you're looking for. It would be much better for whoever offers to help you, as well as people looking for information in the future like yourself, and it would show good faith, if you wrote your list so far and asked if you were missing any particularly good ones or if any you had were no longer favored, rather than asking people to send you everything from scratch.

Yep got it and fully agree. Good advice!

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2909183]I usually don't reply to such a question laden post, but I'm going to break my rule here for you and all other peeps who are inspired in the same way: Here is my advice: [B] Stop talking about it and just go and do it.[/B] You can read 100 books on riding a bike, or you can spend 2-3 hours and learn to do it better. I'm wishing you the best of luck, but what you are describing is literally what [B]every guy here wants to do.[/B] They talk about, and then nothing ever comes of it. After doing this now 15+ years, I can tell you out of every 10 guys on this forum talking big dreams, on average less than 1 really go and do it.

Most of your questions can be answered in a single trip to MDE. You are planning a whole lot. Go back 200 pages and read every single post. Take notes, make a map, make a plan and go do it. Don't talk like most of the guys here. Just go do it. Show up in MDE when I'm there and I will show you everything you asked for and more, but until then, I'm going to say. Put your toe in the water before you plan on jumping into the deep end.

[B] P. S. [/B] - Sharks is an amazing FKK, no doubt, but Scandello in Brazil makes Sharks look like a dump.[/QUOTE]

I haven't been to Scandelo but have been to Sharks many times.

What makes Scandelo better in your eyes?

Sharks is easier for me as I am in the UK. I'd love to go to Rio but hadn't thought of going to Sao Paulo but maybe I should to experience Scandelo?

I assume as it is in Brazil the quality of the women is much higher? Probably like how Sharks used to be a few years before the pandemic when you could get hot 8's and 9's (usually Romanian) for 50 euros for 30 mins.

But Sharks the women are walking around naked which is a massive draw. A lot of people, especially older locals just go to watch and chat to hot naked women for free.

Sharks also has a really nice outdoor garden, pool and bbq which in the summer is amazing especially chilling, sunbathing, drinking beer, nice bbq and chatting to naked hot chics.

What makes Scandellos better in your eyes?

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2909183]I usually don't reply to such a question laden post, but I'm going to break my rule here for you and all other peeps who are inspired in the same way: Here is my advice: [B] Stop talking about it and just go and do it.[/B] You can read 100 books on riding a bike, or you can spend 2-3 hours and learn to do it better. I'm wishing you the best of luck, but what you are describing is literally what [B]every guy here wants to do.[/B] They talk about, and then nothing ever comes of it. After doing this now 15+ years, I can tell you out of every 10 guys on this forum talking big dreams, on average less than 1 really go and do it.

Most of your questions can be answered in a single trip to MDE. You are planning a whole lot. Go back 200 pages and read every single post. Take notes, make a map, make a plan and go do it. Don't talk like most of the guys here. Just go do it. Show up in MDE when I'm there and I will show you everything you asked for and more, but until then, I'm going to say. Put your toe in the water before you plan on jumping into the deep end.

[B] P. S. [/B] - Sharks is an amazing FKK, no doubt, but Scandello in Brazil makes Sharks look like a dump.[/QUOTE]

I've just read about the 8 Americans killed between Nov and Dec 2023 in Medellin (one guy was kidnapped, tortured and thrown off a 250 ft cliff) so I guess I would be very vulnerable to such an attack if I started to post such content.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2909231]I recommend you tone it way down, especially anything you plan to publish on the Internet. Even if City Hall were not under political pressure over "quality of life" issues, the plans you described would be pushing the envelope. You have been warned, proceed as you choose.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2909133]In short, I told my girls I rented the giant luxury property in the middle of the lake in Guatape, and I arranged for Xandu (the eletronica DJ) for the weekend. I rented a giant motor coach, and told them all arrive at 11 am or get left. (we actually left at 12:30 since I know girls there run late). I loaded all the food, alcohol, lighting, drugs and DJ in a bus and just brought it all at one time. I didn't give a shit if the girls knew each other or liked each other, the rule was "cause drama, get kicked out". I probably didn't fuck all of them over the course of 3 days, but I certainly recall when there were 8/9 of us in bed at once when I wanted to do one of those bend-over line ups.[/QUOTE]I used to do threesomes in the 70's, 80's and 90's but around the early 2000's girls started to ask to change the condom after entering each girl which is a mood killer. Did the girls request this?

I sincerely hope my earlier warnings were not too late.

[URL]https://medellinexpatnews.com/canadian-arrested-illegal-parties-el-penol/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1NwGDUP8o-gsG_wPcdEKccxqAWjHJ58QTKZsNmOBkcB230x4KIvix3rkk_aem_AdNxQ0jsGpZNLGC7otPKkJVZWNjmj9f_usLnKI6pfIAShNotGhTeLddBhKADKl_CZR4F3975ZI8QRQk0We3fXIBv[/URL]

[QUOTE=YuyuHakusho;2909295]Not the good time at all to book a hotel.
This April 3, Federico Gutirrez has decided to end prostitution for six months in Medellin, and all hotels and Airbnb must follow the rule and not accept visitors. If you look at the latest videos on YouTube of Medellin's street (Plaza Botero for example) there are no girls outside, they are hiding.[/QUOTE]These statements are incorrect on a number of fronts. If you simply read this forum for the last couple of weeks you will see that pretty much everything you have stated is incorrect. Now we will have to endure 1-2 pages of posts trying to correct your random inaccurate post.

[QUOTE=UKBadBoy;2909383]Hi, can you provide your list of Casa's and clubs? I am planning a trip in the next couple of months and this would save me going through all the pages.[/QUOTE]Look under Medellin lists. It's there.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2909424]These statements are incorrect on a number of fronts. If you simply read this forum for the last couple of weeks you will see that pretty much everything you have stated is incorrect. Now we will have to endure 1-2 pages of posts trying to correct your random inaccurate post.[/QUOTE]It's incorrect because girls are still in the park and they are opening bars past 1 am.

However that doesn't mean the decree that prostitution is illegal for 6 months is not active.

Maybe they planted the bomb to push the button later. Right now Medellin would love to make news out of gringo sex tourists to make us look bad. Especially the locals.

So while what's actually going on is opposite to the decree that was put in place. That doesn't mean the decree is not active. Not that I think it would affect vets of mde.

But still got to be careful out there.

Coming to MED in early May for a week for work. I need to conduct my private business with a bit of discretion and also keep things safe. My current plan is.

1. Check into [URL]https://hotelduparc.com.co/[/URL], apparently its a guest-friendly hotel.

2. In the evening, get the girls from [URL]https://lacelestina.co/escorts-prepagos-putas-ubicacion-medellin[/URL].

Thoughts?

Also, I would love to find a girl who can speak some English and who will hang out with me (no sex) and show me the nightlife and tourist spots and not going to drug me. How can I go about finding someone?

Thanks.

Jay.

Be honest, have you ever been to Medellin?

[QUOTE=YuyuHakusho;2909295]Not the good time at all to book a hotel.

This April 3, Federico Gutirrez has decided to end prostitution for six months in Medellin, and all hotels and Airbnb must follow the rule and not accept visitors. If you look at the latest videos on YouTube of Medellin's street (Plaza Botero for example) there are no girls outside, they are hiding. That's why I advise you not to book a hotel. In my opinion the best way to outsamrt this is to take the girls in the cheap room hotel for short time.

Perhaps someone who is currently in Medellin at this time can tell us the exact situation.[/QUOTE]

What's the deal with all the police in Centro today and barriers near the church?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2909375]I hope this is not anyone we know or who has been reporting here. I sincerely hope my earlier warnings were not too late.
[/QUOTE]Please explain. So if this guy is someone people on this site knows or has been posting here, you hope nothing happens to him. So if "we" know him or he posts here he is a "good" person?

This guy was breaking all kinds of laws and causing trouble which makes all of us foreigners visiting Colombia look bad. I sincerely hope they catch all these types of guys which makes it better for the rest of us who cause no problems and do not need attention.

[QUOTE=YuyuHakusho;2909295]Not the good time at all to book a hotel.

This April 3, Federico Gutirrez has decided to end prostitution for six months in Medellin, and all hotels and Airbnb must follow the rule and not accept visitors. If you look at the latest videos on YouTube of Medellin's street (Plaza Botero for example) there are no girls outside, they are hiding. That's why I advise you not to book a hotel. In my opinion the best way to outsamrt this is to take the girls in the cheap room hotel for short time.

Perhaps someone who is currently in Medellin at this time can tell us the exact situation.[/QUOTE]This noob is posting misinformation and is not even in Medellin nor has posted a single report on it. I think he is shilling for those Colombian protestors who were in Parque Lleras last week protesting against mongering and gringos visiting. I just saw videos today and the scene is fine and girls are roaming around Parque Lleras, Calle 10 and all strip clubs, clubs are open.

I went to the park area about 9 pm Thursday. I had to show my ID to get inside the barriers. I took some food to two of my friends who were working in the bars. I walked through most of the barrier enclosed area in order to find them. I didn't see any obvious working ladies until I was leaving at 10 pm, then only one. She was in the actual park. There were not many customers in any of the four bars I went to searching for my friends. There were many male employees in the area, and they were very helpful in my search. I had two beers at Hooters. I was the only person at the bar, and there were very few people sitting at the tables. As I was going to Hooters, I saw the owner of Patrick's Irish Pub outside the pub. He said Patrick's is totally closed. There's a large "for sale or rent" sign beside the front doors. As I walked down Calle 10 after leaving the barrier area, there were a few working ladies hanging out, but nothing like it was a month and a half ago. I know I was there early, but it was the same time I'd been there in the past with many more people.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2909389]This is why when I usually do 2+ girls I well get them to get their friends. They are not going to invite a girl to do bareback if they know they are dirty. Also, see my previous post about PrEP + Doxy to be nearly STI proof if you pair that with vaccines. I BB girls 90% of the time or more. I might wipe it off between girls, but really, I don't even like doing that. LOL.

That particular Guatape trip, we were all so high, I don't think people even thought about condoms.[/QUOTE]Is Prep is available at the Farmacias?

It's late. I'm drunk. These girls are nuts. Premium babe in Gusto told me $300 usd for two hours $200 for one hour. She got a couple drinks out me and that is it. WTF, are you guys doing out here. Shortly was fine AF, but I'm not a rookie.

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2909547]It's late. I'm drunk. These bitches are nuts. Premium babe in Gusto told me $300 usd for two hours $200 for one hour. She got a couple drinks out me and that is it. WTF, are you guys doing out here. Shortly was fine AF, but I'm not a rookie.[/QUOTE]That's the way it is at Gusto.

The place is full of old and hardened pros preying on newbies.

What I don't get is why it's popular.

You should go to Lleras Park (the bar) or Moet etc.

Younger, better quality, and much better prices in those places.

[QUOTE=Maelstrom;2909519]Is Prep is available at the Farmacias?[/QUOTE]No. Read my previous post, it will help you with the meds + dosage suggestions.

You look like a cash register to these girls. (Most men do, don't take it personally). I'm going to do a little soapbox just to help folks here with pricing (and later you are going to tell me to fuck off, but that's ok). Everyone's prices, relative scale of beauty and sexual options will vary up / down pending your age / looks / physique / etc, but this is just from my experience.

[U]Actual Parque Lleras girl pricing[/U]

[b]Average Girl (4.5 - 7.5)[/b] - normal drinks (or from your bottle) + 200 k - 300 k - (4-6 hours / TLN).
[b]Good Looking (6.5 - 8.5)[/b] - normal drinks (or from your bottle) + 300 k - 500 k - (4-6 hours / TLN).
[b]Very Good Looking (8.5 - 10)[/b] - normal drinks (or from your bottle) + some type of food + 400 k - 500 k (4-6 hours / TLN).

[B]-[/B]

[U]Non-Spanish speaking Gringo Parque Lleras girl pricing[/U]

[b]Average Girl (4.5 - 7.5)[/b] - 200 k - 300 k cada hora.
[b]Good Looking (6.5 - 8.5)[/b] - 1 ficha + 300 k - 500 k cada hora.
[b]Very Good Looking (8.5 - 10)[/b] - 2+ fichas + 400 k - 500 k cada hora.

[B]-[/B]

[U]Unattractive / Annoying Non-Spanish Speaking Gringo Parque Lleras girl pricing[/U]

[b]Average Girl (4.5 - 7.5)[/b] - $100 USD cada hora.
[b]Good Looking (6.5 - 8.5)[/b] - $100 USD cada hora.
[b]Very Good Looking (8.5 - 10)[/b] - $300+ cada hora.

[B]-[/B]

For the guys who complain about crazy pricing. Look in the mirror for the answer. If a girl doesn't want to fuck you, she will make a price so high that if you do accept it will be worth her time. For reference, a "ficha" is an overpriced girly drink which usually contains zero alcohol. Costs the bar almost nothing, comes looking all tropical and shit (made of almost pure water + juice + coloring) and the girl gets a take. It's how they hustle men.

[QUOTE=UKBadBoy;2909364]Yep got it and fully agree. Good advice![/QUOTE]Good advice. Then you proceed 3 posts later to ask people for a list so you don't have to read the forum.

Continuing questions Sorry, I have another question!

Please tell me a good hotel to stay at in Medellin! Is it suicidal to leave the el Poblado area?

I was once in a hotel in Thailand that took a bonuses charge (extra money for bringing a girl).

In Japan, prostitutes were once banned from entering the country.

Tell us which hotels in Medellin are prostitution traveler friendly!

Is it all right near park Lleras? I don't want to stay somewhere too noisy 4 stars would be nice.

And as I perused the report until page 50, I wondered: what the hell is 'mil', I'm not Western, I'm not American, is it a meme on the Western Internet?

Google show mil as the word for million.

Parque Lleras (PL) / Bar girls.

Fuck before you to to Parque Lleras and then you won't be ready to fuck the first girl who smiles at you. This is a party spot for gringo and people with moderate / lots of money. Expect girls ranging from 5 all the way to 10 here. They stand in the parque, go inside the clubs, work in the clubs (Gusto) and literally ANY girl in PL is available to fuck. I have fucked more than one waitress, server, the girl selling drinks in the street, etc. That is why they are there. The earlier in the night, the higher price you will get; I suggest going between 9 pm - 11 pm. Go into a club, buy a bottle and drink, dance and enjoy kissing tons of girls. Talk to them, share your drugs with them (or them with you), have a good time and then around 1 am THEN you ask them if they want to leave with you. Most girls will ask for 400-600 mil, but most will accept 200-400 mil depending upon what you want once its late.

If a girl in the PL wants to leave to fuck quickly, service will be rushed, and they are looking to return to the parque for more clients. Maybe you want a quick smash / dash, and that is fine, but if you do, tell them it will be quick so only 100-200 mil. Most girls in PL will do BBJ but ask for a condom for sex. This is actually good since they want to stay clean. Girls who do no-condom very easy I'm very suspicious of (I might still do it though. Girls who ask for condom sex will usually take it off for another 200 mil. If I find a beautiful girl who I can tell who has not had a lot of mileage, I'm wanting BBFS for sure and likely will CIP or facial them. Get their WhatsApp, and repeat with these girls before they go to the park and prices come down.

If so, I don't understand this post by yyz.

400-600 mil? And If so, If so, does that mean 400000000 in Colombian pesos?

It means 102031 dollars for one time no matter how sexy it is. 102031 dollars for one time? Am I misunderstanding this far wrong? Is it correct that mil means million?

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2909092]Haven't been there in a long time. Is that what it cost to leave with them or is that what it cost with the room there. If I remember the rooms are horrible there.[/QUOTE]That was the cost to take the girl to the room on site. The room was not bad and the bed was a good size. I made the mistake of not making a lower offer and might have got a lower price, but she was drop dead hot and great in the room. Of course I met her on my last night which seems to be the rule with me. I always meet someone great as my trip ends.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2909006]Conejitas and Barra Executiva, I think Club Maracaibo did not reopen after the pandemic. I think they cost 100 or so on site and 150 or so take out. Other members please keep me honest about the cost because my information about that is out of date.[/QUOTE]Grill Avenida, Grill Occidental, Victoria Bar, Hilton Club, and countless girl bars on the 3 or 4 streets that join them all together. Prices start COP 60 mil, +10/12 for room, etc. Ejecutiva, Conejitas are more expensive, Hilton is too, but less so. No fixed prices for girls so you will need to agree before you go upstairs / backstage / thru the lav / DJ booth etc. But most girls do charge the same as the othetr girls in the same establishment bcos why would anyone pay extra for a girl when there are dozens of others at a cheaper price!

[QUOTE=KebabOperator;2909217]Greetings gentleman,

I will be flying in after May 7 (I am guessing from May 12 to 21) for a 10-day stint this time. However, due to work assignments, I will be in Colombia at least one week every two months, so this won't be a one-time thing for sure.

Once again, I would be more than grateful if you were willing to meet up and show me around. If the past is any indication, I am not the worst person to be around. Thank you in advance for your time and consideration.[/QUOTE]My next trip to MDE will be from 5/6 to 5/18. I'm just not disciplined enough to write about it.

Anyway, happy to meet there and share some info.

[QUOTE=Wkahddl2;2909613]
Please tell me a good hotel to stay at in Medellin! Is it suicidal to leave the el Poblado area?
[/QUOTE]If you are a newbie to Medellin, I suggest Poblado, Envigado or Laurelles. Don't venture out too far as English goes from little to nearly non-existant in the barrios.

[QUOTE=Wkahddl2;2909613]
Tell us which hotels in Medellin are prostitution traveler friendly!
[/QUOTE]There are plenty of hotels which are "guest friendly", same with AirBnbs. Read back and you will find plenty.

[QUOTE=Wkahddl2;2909613]
And as I perused the report until page 50, I wondered: what the hell is 'mil', I'm not Western, I'm not American, is it a meme on the Western Internet?
[/QUOTE]Mil = thousand in Spanish. For example, when people say 50 COP, they really mean 50 mil COP. So when I say 150 mil for a girl it really = $38 USD.

[B]-[/B]

Not to sound rude. But you are going to REALLY stick out when you come to MDE. I deeply recommend you find a few local people on the forum to connect with, or experienced travelers. Medellin is amazing, but if done wrong. Can be a boring / nightmare / dangerous / etc. Just like any other country. You sound experienced, but Eastern culture where you cited you are from and have visited is VERY different than the "Colombian Catholic" culture of Medallo. Don't get me wrong, I love them both too, thus my annual trip to Pattaya. But I go with guides and my boys so it's a bit easier on the transition.

[QUOTE=Wkahddl2;2909613]Continuing questions Sorry, I have another question!

Please tell me a good hotel to stay at in Medellin! Is it suicidal to leave the el Poblado area?

I was once in a hotel in Thailand that took a bonuses charge (extra money for bringing a girl).

In Japan, prostitutes were once banned from entering the country.

Tell us which hotels in Medellin are prostitution traveler friendly!

Is it all right near park Lleras? I don't want to stay somewhere too noisy 4 stars would be nice.

And as I perused the report until page 50, I wondered: what the hell is 'mil', I'm not Western, I'm not American, is it a meme on the Western Internet?

Google show mil as the word for million.

Parque Lleras (PL) / Bar girls.

Fuck before you to to Parque Lleras and then you won't be ready to fuck the first girl who smiles at you. This is a party spot for gringo and people with moderate / lots of money. Expect girls ranging from 5 all the way to 10 here. They stand in the parque, go inside the clubs, work in the clubs (Gusto) and literally ANY girl in PL is available to fuck. I have fucked more than one waitress, server, the girl selling drinks in the street, etc. That is why they are there. The earlier in the night, the higher price you will get; I suggest going between 9 pm - 11 pm. Go into a club, buy a bottle and drink, dance and enjoy kissing tons of girls. Talk to them, share your drugs with them (or them with you), have a good time and then around 1 am THEN you ask them if they want to leave with you. Most girls will ask for 400-600 mil, but most will accept 200-400 mil depending upon what you want once its late.[/QUOTE]Mil is the Spanish word for thousand. 3 mil is 3,000.300 mil is 300,000.

Hotel Du Park Royale is guest friendly. It's fairly quiet yet close to the park. They may charge extra fees depending on the number of girls you are bringing in.

El Poblado is a very big area. There are parts where you don't want to go at night, but you will probably never be near them. Most of my time in Medellin over the past 6 years has been outside of El Poblado. I'm not dead yet. However, your personal safety, no matter where you are is established by your behavior and awareness.

Lots of people who have no experience in Medellin, watch a few YouTube videos and panic. The guys who go and know, shrug their shoulders and continue business as usual.

[QUOTE=Wkahddl2;2909613]
And as I perused the report until page 50, I wondered: what the hell is 'mil', I'm not Western, I'm not American, is it a meme on the Western Internet?

Google show mil as the word for million.

400-600 mil? And If so, If so, does that mean 400000000 in Colombian pesos?

It means 102031 dollars for one time no matter how sexy it is. 102031 dollars for one time? Am I misunderstanding this far wrong? Is it correct that mil means million?[/QUOTE]You need to brush up on some Spanish. Mil is Spanish for thousand. Also, you need to learn how to quote a post. What you posted from another poster should be quoted, not appear as if you wrote it.

400-600 mil at today's exchange rate is approximately $102-$153.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2909604]You look like a cash register to these girls. (Most men do, don't take it personally). I'm going to do a little soapbox just to help folks here with pricing (and later you are going to tell me to fuck off, but that's ok). Everyone's prices, relative scale of beauty and sexual options will vary up / down pending your age / looks / physique / etc, but this is just from my experience.

[U]Actual Parque Lleras girl pricing[/U].[/QUOTE]First and foremost I enjoyed reading your long post and agree with most of it, however I prefer to take azythromycin 1500 MG once a week than to take doxy 100 MG every single day. Besides that I agree with most everything else that you said in that post.

Now as it comes to Poblado / parque Lleras. I have fucked a number of women that I let thru Facebook or friends of friends thru WhatsApp that I agreed to have meet me in Centro or even in mi casa en Santo Domingo, typically I pay around 100 mil una hora, sin condon. Many of these chicas have told me that they work en el Poblado where they charge 250 mil con condom and even more than that depending on how gringo the foreigner appears to be. So again I agree with what you are saying in respect to the different prices.

Why someone wants to go to a country without even attempting to learn the language is beyond me.

The same girls working el Poblado charging 250 mil 400 mil & ms are also fucking sin condand for 100 mil pesos.

But if I try to tell the guys here about my experiences most guys just talk shit to me and think I don't know what I'm saying. But you know what, fuck it sometimes I wonder why I even bother posting.

Hi,

I'm new here and I'll keep it short. I booked my first trip to MDE for January and I'll be staying in AirBnB near Lleras that has a no puta policy. I'm a 50 ish white guy from San Diego with good form and, as a result of being single and living within six miles of Tijuana, I speak intermediate Spanish. I'm not new to the puta / monger scene and participate in USASG SD for both in Tijuana and SD.

Just wanted to introduce myself and say thanks for a few of the great posts I've read so far. I wish there was to save posts to your profile. I also love the YouTube videos I've seen so far.

Suerte,

Prime.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2909604]You look like a cash register to these girls. (Most men do, don't take it personally). I'm going to do a little soapbox just to help folks here with pricing (and later you are going to tell me to fuck off, but that's ok). Everyone's prices, relative scale of beauty and sexual options will vary up / down pending your age / looks / physique / etc, but this is just from my experience.

[U]Actual Parque Lleras girl pricing[/U]

[b]Average Girl (4.5 - 7.5)[/b] - normal drinks (or from your bottle) + 200 k - 300 k - (4-6 hours / TLN).
[b]Good Looking (6.5 - 8.5)[/b] - normal drinks (or from your bottle) + 300 k - 500 k - (4-6 hours / TLN).
[b]Very Good Looking (8.5 - 10)[/b] - normal drinks (or from your bottle) + some type of food + 400 k - 500 k (4-6 hours / TLN)..[/QUOTE]8.5-10 in Colombia knows her worth. They're getting their money and they ain't settling for 500 mil.

Your post on pricing is very inaccurate.

And if you're hiring DJ Xandu that means you're hanging out with girls who are skinny and look like teenagers and not that hot. I know Xandus whole crew including the other DJs he brings. Most of the girls in his circle are skinny teenage looking girls who do tons of drugs. THOSE GIRLS are worth 2-300 mil tln.

But a true 8.5-10 in Colombia will not accept no 500 mil regardless if you're Brad Pitt or Harvey Weinstein.

This is the biggest complaint I have always about this board. It's misinformation. A poster came and gave his honest review about what happened in Gustos and immediately you feel the need to bash him??

That Xandu group are all low lives druggies from bello and Manrique and not worth more than the FB going rate.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2909508]I went to the park area about 9 pm Thursday. I had to show my ID to get inside the barriers. I took some food to two of my friends who were working in the bars. I walked through most of the barrier enclosed area in order to find them. I didn't see any obvious working ladies until I was leaving at 10 pm, then only one. She was in the actual park. There were not many customers in any of the four bars I went to searching for my friends. There were many male employees in the area, and they were very helpful in my search. I had two beers at Hooters. I was the only person at the bar, and there were very few people sitting at the tables. As I was going to Hooters, I saw the owner of Patrick's Irish Pub outside the pub. He said Patrick's is totally closed. There's a large "for sale or rent" sign beside the front doors. As I walked down Calle 10 after leaving the barrier area, there were a few working ladies hanging out, but nothing like it was a month and a half ago. I know I was there early, but it was the same time I'd been there in the past with many more people.[/QUOTE]Gustos is full of pros now and delusional ones at that.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2909620]why would anyone pay extra for a girl when there are dozens of others at a cheaper price![/QUOTE]You will be surprised. They don't always quote the same price to who they think are new.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2909719]You will be surprised. They don't always quote the same price to who they think are new.[/QUOTE]Hardly, Nouce. I did write in my post "No fixed prices for girls. Most girls do charge the same as the other girls". So, no surprises. Some girls do actually charge more as well, not just trying it on w a newcomer.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2909809]Hardly, Nouce. I did write in my post "No fixed prices for girls. Most girls do charge the same as the other girls". So, no surprises. Some girls do actually charge more as well, not just trying it on w a newcomer.[/QUOTE]You don't know what you can get unless you ask for it. If a girl asks for a lot and gets a counteroffer, she can always accept less. But if she is asking for less than the guy would be willing to pay, then she is leaving money on the table. A smart girl should ask for as much as she thinks she may get and then be willing to accept a reasonable counteroffer. Some guys post that a girl is asking for a crazy amount and then just walk away, but often it is just an opening asking price and you can make a counteroffer and it may be accepted. So don't take the first number as the final number. I have had girls ask for 800 mil and then accept 200 mil. No hard feelings on either side. No reason to insult the girl or say she is crazy. She is just trying out some numbers and see if you will bite.

It was reported yesterday. Asian man got caught with a 14 year old minor. Seems like a human trafficking as another woman is involved and the apartment is illegally operating as Airbnb.

Link below:

[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/medellin/s/Isx8w97WxJ[/URL]

Hey all,

I'm heading back to medellin in a month and deleted my old Facebook account I had for there. Can anyone post or DM a good Facebook contact with a good network of girls? Just trying ti speed up the process with current girls. Thanks!

I am looking for a hotel in el poblando near Parque Lleras and it is so hard. I've looked all over [URL]booking.com[/URL] and agoda and it seems like almost every hotel charges extra for visitors.

Is there something special about Thailand? The number of hotels in Thailand that accept a joiners charge is small.

Hotels like du park haven europa are too expensive I want a 4 star hotel I think about 100 dollars will be just fine I don't want a jacuzzi or anything fancy.

Can you recommend a chika friendly hotel near the park that allows up to 2 guests?

I'd like to try a Latina threesome.

And Sir yyztravel and many gentlemen recommend Airbnb, why?

I've never used Airbnb before and it's not popular in the East nothern asia. Is Airbnb good in South America?

Isn't Airbnb supposed to clean up after itself? Does Airbnb provide shampoo and body wash? Don't I have to buy my own towels?

If you like Airbnb, I'd appreciate it if you could recommend some Airbnb listings. I just entered Airbnb for the first time and searched for Medellin.

Should I exclude the apartment? It looks like an apartment where normal people live, can I take hookers to a place like that?

Sorry for the continued questions. God bless you all.

You drew a few wild conclusions. The Asian man is reported to be Chinese. He was released after authorities confirmed the girl had a false cedula. The girl know other people around town. I don't know how that adds up to a trafficking ring but yes, that is what the media are reporting and they are citing the police as the source.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2909855]It was reported yesterday. Asian man got caught with a 14 year old minor. Seems like a human trafficking as another woman is involved and the apartment is illegally operating as Airbnb.

Link below:

[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/medellin/s/Isx8w97WxJ[/URL][/QUOTE]

Spent 3 days and had a combination of old contacts and new ones. I was there from Mon-Thurs and although there's a heavy police presence in Parque Lleras area there's still plenty action and choices available in the park, bars and Calle 10 in particular. Always negotiate price and your expectations (BBBJ etc). I had a great time with a Tinder date, only 200 K with everything included and multiple sessions!

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2909133]In short, I told my girls I rented the giant luxury property in the middle of the lake in Guatape, and I arranged for Xandu (the eletronica DJ) for the weekend. I rented a giant motor coach, and told them all arrive at 11 am or get left. (we actually left at 12:30 since I know girls there run late). I loaded all the food, alcohol, lighting, drugs and DJ in a bus and just brought it all at one time. I didn't give a shit if the girls knew each other or liked each other, the rule was "cause drama, get kicked out". I probably didn't fuck all of them over the course of 3 days, but I certainly recall when there were 8/9 of us in bed at once when I wanted to do one of those bend-over line ups.[/QUOTE]Or is Bon Jovi using an alias here?

[QUOTE=Wkahddl2;2909862]I am looking for a hotel in el poblando near Parque Lleras and it is so hard. I've looked all over [URL]booking.com[/URL] and agoda and it seems like almost every hotel charges extra for visitors.

If you like Airbnb, I'd appreciate it if you could recommend some Airbnb listings. I just entered Airbnb for the first time and searched for Medellin.

Should I exclude the apartment? It looks like an apartment where normal people live, can I take hookers to a place like that?
[/QUOTE]I remember over the past years thinking that there is a real shortage of nice places to stay for individuals at reasonable rates in MDE. Unless you like to stay in a cell-like apartment on the 20th floor of a non-descript tower block with no access to the outside world. I liked Dann Carlton best for short stays, but they pushed up their rates a lot over the years. I wouldn't blow so much money on a long stay there. Rooms are ok but the pool area is fantastic. There is a cheap hotel on Pqe Poblado that I like bcos its only 3 or 4 storeys and one has dozens of places to eat and drink on your doorstep. Its called Tik hotel these days. Both charge a small amount extra for booking in as 2 guests instead of one. Think of it as an extra breakfast fee if you like. But I don't stay in Poblado these days. I find it very fake and full of wannabees.

Airbnb. Is a money making racket for its shareholders. Imagine every booking in the world paying a 15% to some shareholder half way across the world for. For what? Nothing actually. It should be a crime. And they encourage landlords to subscribe in to their system of forever increasing prices when city occupancy is high. But if you want to use it to get a high rise cell box at an over inflated price, select the option for 'I want the entire unit', otherwise you will be sharing your hookers with other flatmates.

Check out the stats. The numbers are quite high even considering under reporting. Foreigners don't even make the 1% cut.

[URL]https://colombiareports.com/why-virtually-all-child-sex-crimes-in-colombia-go-unpunished/[/URL]

You make a valid point. A couple of observations, politicians are already fully aware of the breadth of crime statistics and the emphasis on foreigners is a tactic to divert attention from the government's longstanding ineffectiveness toward the issue.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2909971]Check out the stats. The numbers are quite high even considering under reporting. Foreigners don't even make the 1% cut.

[URL]https://colombiareports.com/why-virtually-all-child-sex-crimes-in-colombia-go-unpunished/[/URL][/QUOTE]

I don't get you.

Your advice was to go and experience the place which I intend to do. If someone has a ready made list to hand what is wrong with asking for it?

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2909610]Good advice. Then you proceed 3 posts later to ask people for a list so you don't have to read the forum.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2909971]Check out the stats. The numbers are quite high even considering under reporting. Foreigners don't even make the 1% cut.

[URL]https://colombiareports.com/why-virtually-all-child-sex-crimes-in-colombia-go-unpunished/[/URL][/QUOTE]Not sure how you get that 1%. There are 3 possible categories that foreigners could fall into on that chart. But I agree with your point, that pointing the finger at tourists in Medellin as the culprit is ignoring the vast majority of sex crimes committed there. Most of these victims have been victims long before they met any foreigners, and while that doesn't make it right in any way it points to the deeper source of the problems.

[QUOTE=TheNakedIndian;2909857]Hey all,

I'm heading back to medellin in a month and deleted my old Facebook account I had for there. Can anyone post or DM a good Facebook contact with a good network of girls? Just trying ti speed up the process with current girls. Thanks![/QUOTE]It took me 2 years of work to get around 300 friends (girls) on facebook in Medellin, it's a lot of work, facebook game is not for lazy people.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2909971]Check out the stats. The numbers are quite high even considering under reporting. Foreigners don't even make the 1% cut.

[URL]https://colombiareports.com/why-virtually-all-child-sex-crimes-in-colombia-go-unpunished/[/URL][/QUOTE]And to be honest, compared to other countries, Thailand, Indonesia even Cambodia etc. There are NO Tourist and Foreigners in COL, its a super small ammount.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2909686]8.5-10 in Colombia knows her worth. They're getting their money and they ain't settling for 500 mil

But a true 8.5-10 in Colombia will not accept no 500 mil regardless [/QUOTE]A true 8. 5-10 in Colombia. LOL.

Are you the official judge of who gets that rating?

A true 8. 5-10 anywhere is in the eye of the beholder. Not what you may believe is a 9 or a 10.

Isn't this just common sense?

A young, skinny, teen looking girl may be someone's 9 or 10, though you may rate her as a Bello nada.

An Instagram model with big fake boobs and fake booty with lots of pretty makeup that may charge 3 million pesos may be someone's 10, but to others, not so much.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2909809]Hardly, Nouce. I did write in my post "No fixed prices for girls. Most girls do charge the same as the other girls". So, no surprises. Some girls do actually charge more as well, not just trying it on w a newcomer.[/QUOTE]I am talking about the same girl charging different prices depending on who the customer is, almost double. I saw it myself and it is not just one girl. But the customer was happy, to him is money well spent.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2909686]
This is the biggest complaint I have always about this board. It's misinformation. A poster came and gave his honest review about what happened in Gustos and immediately you feel the need to bash him??.[/QUOTE]He at least put the time in to write the post with detail information based on his experience. That is a bash I will take everyday. LOL.

Maybe you can post some pictures. No links, of these girls you talked about that will provide more useful information and let some know what they are missing.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2910020]A true 8. 5-10 in Colombia. LOL.

Are you the official judge of who gets that rating?

A true 8. 5-10 anywhere is in the eye of the beholder. Not what you may believe is a 9 or a 10.

Isn't this just common sense?

A young, skinny, teen looking girl may be someone's 9 or 10, though you may rate her as a Bello nada.

An Instagram model with big fake boobs and fake booty with lots of pretty makeup that may charge 3 million pesos may be someone's 10, but to others, not so much.[/QUOTE]Exactly, it's purely subjective and that is why the numbering system is stupid. Some like skinny spinners, some like dark skinned morenas and afrocolobianas, some like white more European looking chicas, some actually like bolt-on titties and fake bodies.

Everyone has their own opinion about what they like and it varies quite a bit.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2910020]A true 8. 5-10 in Colombia. LOL.

Are you the official judge of who gets that rating?

A true 8. 5-10 anywhere is in the eye of the beholder. Not what you may believe is a 9 or a 10.

Isn't this just common sense?

A young, skinny, teen looking girl may be someone's 9 or 10, though you may rate her as a Bello nada.

An Instagram model with big fake boobs and fake booty with lots of pretty makeup that may charge 3 million pesos may be someone's 10, but to others, not so much.[/QUOTE]I agree.

It is silly to say that a girl is a true 8.5 to 10. As a number of people have said, one guy's 10 is another guy's 5. I know guys who only like slim petite girls so when you show them beautiful girls who are curvy, they say she is a 6. I know guys who like guys with large breasts or a big ass so when you show them girls who are slim and petite with small breasts and a flat ass, they are not interested and see those girls as 6 or 7's. As for the face of a girl, it is so subjective. Some says like the girls with a lot of make-up and think they are 9's and 10's with the make-up and when they see girls without a lot of makeup, they see them as 6's or 7's even though it could be the same girl. I have had so many disagreements with guys on the beauty of a particular girl but if they ask me about a girl who they think is very attractive, I just go along and say she is very attractive even though I don't think so.

In the end, all that matters is that the girl is attractive to you and it doesn't matter what others think.

[QUOTE=Caboteur;2910002]It took me 2 years of work to get around 300 friends (girls) on facebook in Medellin, it's a lot of work, facebook game is not for lazy people.[/QUOTE]I'm aware. The deleted Facebook I referenced was about 5 years of contacts.

People here told me to do Airbnb, but I can't do it because it's too difficult. There aren't any hosts who speak English. The translator works strangely. Most Airbnb's have a sign saying no sex tourism. I asked the host if it would be okay to take a prostitute, but he keeps telling me that I have to register. Airbnb's translator is strange. First, I need to stay in a hotel and look for an Airbnb. Please tell me some good Airbnb's.

[QUOTE=Wkahddl2;2910057]People here told me to do Airbnb, but I can't do it because it's too difficult. There aren't any hosts who speak English. The translator works strangely. Most Airbnb's have a sign saying no sex tourism. I asked the host if it would be okay to take a prostitute, but he keeps telling me that I have to register. Airbnb's translator is strange. First, I need to stay in a hotel and look for an Airbnb. Please tell me some good Airbnb's.[/QUOTE]The situation right now in Medellin is quite hot with the recent scandals so it's not as easy as before to get accommodations. My advice is to find a reasonable Airbnb that doesn't have a no guest policy explicitly written in the description. Then when you show up try to bring girls discretely. If it fails just book a hotel room when you are with a girl, there are options in Poblado, use the search function of the forum or better yet ask the girls in the Park which hotels are best and cheap.

I find myself endlessly immersed in YouTube videos criticizing Medellin. What drives these individuals? Are they genuinely aiming to provide a public service, or could their motives be rooted in reducing tourism to drive down costs (such as Airbnb rates, nightlife expenses, etc.) for personal gain?

Living in Chicago, I could easily create a video showcasing the city's negative aspects. While it's true, I might encounter trouble in certain areas while seeking illicit substances or engaging with drug-addicted individuals for nefarious purposes.

As for the risk of tourists being kidnapped for ransom or subjected to torture for their ATM / banking passwords, leading to their eventual demise—what are the actual odds of such a scenario unfolding?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2910026]I am talking about the same girl charging different prices depending on who the customer is, almost double. I saw it myself and it is not just one girl. But the customer was happy, to him is money well spent.[/QUOTE]Let's just call it upper echelon shall we??

In any country are you getting anything that's in the upper echelon at cheap rates?

I have in the past posted a few links of girls I consider to be an 8 or above. Not here to go back and forth.

And I have enough experience and made enough connections and gotten into diff social circles to know what I'm talking about.

My point simply was a guy gave an honest review about Gustos and xyz comes out and says he must be A. An ugly undesirable guy (according to his price charts) and.

Be. Looks like an ATM. Was that necessary??

The man a girl tried to charge him 300 and he declined. This type of stuff would make new posters not post real accurate info on their experiences because according to most on this board pussy should be no more than 100-200 mil and that's simply not true.

He's bragging about having 8-9 girls and hiring DJ Xandu so basically that now tells me exactly which types of girls he's rolling with and now I see his scale is obviously twisted.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2910027]He at least put the time in to write the post with detail information based on his experience. That is a bash I will take everyday. LOL.

Maybe you can post some pictures. No links, of these girls you talked about that will provide more useful information and let some know what they are missing.[/QUOTE]How does his experience tell him how much "unattractive gringo tourist" gets charged differently??

I have posted links of girls I've had experience with whom I consider attractive and cute.

This is a girl I consider attractive. If you must know. And I have partied with her on a few occasions. Although last time was 4 years ago still one of the hottest.

I think your advice is solid. It applies now and it applied months and years ago. The situation in Medellin in terms of the importance of not making a spectacle of yourself is unchanged. That has never been a good look.

[QUOTE=GuiGui123;2910083]The situation right now in Medellin is quite hot with the recent scandals so it's not as easy as before to get accommodations. My advice is to find a reasonable Airbnb that doesn't have a no guest policy explicitly written in the description. Then when you show up try to bring girls discretely. If it fails just book a hotel room when you are with a girl, there are options in Poblado, use the search function of the forum or better yet ask the girls in the Park which hotels are best and cheap.[/QUOTE]

The local media, especially the right wing like El Colombiano would have you believe foreigners in Medellin are perpetrating a modern day rape of Nanking. It's quite something. The coverage has always been exaggerated but lately it's been next level. Any of you who were here when that sicko killed his girlfiend in Bogota and put her in a suitcase he left in a dumpster will remember the 24/7 coverage that interrupted regular broadcasting. Colombians commit similar crimes most every day and it doesn't get anything near that kind of wall to wall coverage. There is normally a small blurb about the latest body found in a quebrada or the Medellin River. I'm not exaggerating when I say it happens several times a week.

[QUOTE=Phuket90;2910006]And to be honest, compared to other countries, Thailand, Indonesia even Cambodia etc. There are NO Tourist and Foreigners in COL, its a super small ammount.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wkahddl2;2910057]People here told me to do Airbnb, but I can't do it because it's too difficult. There aren't any hosts who speak English. The translator works strangely. Most Airbnb's have a sign saying no sex tourism. I asked the host if it would be okay to take a prostitute, but he keeps telling me that I have to register. Airbnb's translator is strange. First, I need to stay in a hotel and look for an Airbnb. Please tell me some good Airbnb's.[/QUOTE]I hope you didn't say that you wanted bring "prostitutes" to the apartment. All you need to say is if you can have guest. I think the issue in Medellin is that people are not being discreet. That's disrespectful and I can see why people get alarmed at foreign visitors.

I have a regular Airbnb and the host doesn't speak English well and my Spanish is not much better but the communication is translated. If you can find a way to talk to the women then it shouldn't be a problem getting what you need from the host.

Massive protests shut down city streets in Medellin, Cali, and Bogota, with hundred of thousands of people taking to the streets to protest the government of Gustavo Petro.

[URL]https://youtu.be/Tu0E4KQ6ln8?si=wqW7oFIpSAYegwAn[/URL]

Follow Along.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2909686]8.5-10 in Colombia knows her worth. They're getting their money and they ain't settling for 500 mil.

Your post on pricing is very inaccurate.

And if you're hiring DJ Xandu that means you're hanging out with girls who are skinny and look like teenagers and not that hot. I know Xandus whole crew including the other DJs he brings. Most of the girls in his circle are skinny teenage looking girls who do tons of drugs. THOSE GIRLS are worth 2-300 mil tln.

But a true 8.5-10 in Colombia will not accept no 500 mil regardless if you're Brad Pitt or Harvey Weinstein.

This is the biggest complaint I have always about this board. It's misinformation. A poster came and gave his honest review about what happened in Gustos and immediately you feel the need to bash him??

That Xandu group are all low lives druggies from bello and Manrique and not worth more than the FB going rate.[/QUOTE]The truth is that 8. 5-10 girls will never work Parque Lleras in the first place. As anywhere in the world, street girls are bottom feeders. They don't care about their image, they are not ashamed of being seen selling pussy in public, they are high volume and simply stupid enough not to try other venues where they could earn more. I have never seen an 8. 5 or above working the park. 7-7. 5 on a good night is what one can find if they really try. An average lleras chick is semi-ugly Centro chick. And we talking about Gusto, yes, 8. 5 or above can be found there, but good luck getting them for 500 mil jajaja.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2910040]I agree.

It is silly to say that a girl is a true 8.5 to 10. As a number of people have said, one guy's 10 is another guy's 5. I know guys who only like slim petite girls so when you show them beautiful girls who are curvy, they say she is a 6. I know guys who like guys with large breasts or a big ass so when you show them girls who are slim and petite with small breasts and a flat ass, they are not interested and see those girls as 6 or 7's. As for the face of a girl, it is so subjective. Some says like the girls with a lot of make-up and think they are 9's and 10's with the make-up and when they see girls without a lot of makeup, they see them as 6's or 7's even though it could be the same girl. I have had so many disagreements with guys on the beauty of a particular girl but if they ask me about a girl who they think is very attractive, I just go along and say she is very attractive even though I don't think so.

In the end, all that matters is that the girl is attractive to you and it doesn't matter what others think.[/QUOTE]Cut this crap, bro. A fat 5 is a fat 5, period. You guys have no clue how to rate girls on the 1 to 10 scale. You better not use the scale at all. Someone's 10 could be someone's 5? Haha. This is BS. I have said this so many times, the scale has nothing to do with your personal preference. I could rate a girl a high number, even if she is not my type at all. Even If I would never approach her. Because when I rate a girl, I'm trying to be as objective as possible, regardless of my personal preference. I look at her body proportions, body fat percentage, face, teeth / smile, hair, if she natural or not, tattoos, etc. I don't care if she is black or white or whatever. In the model industry there are certain standards that have been around for decades. Certain height, proportions, etc that any girl wanting to do modeling needs to meet. A girl with a silicone ass and tits, tons of makeup and tattoos will never win any type of a beauty contest or never be a top model because she is not natural. I understand there could be a slight variance, but when one guy rates a girl a 5, and the other guy rates her a 10, either of them is delusional af.

And you know what? Usually the guys who have low standards, el centro rats, guys with no experience scoring hot women are the ones who are against using the scale. Because pussy is pussy. Guys who actually have good taste in women and have been successful scoring them, who don't mind putting time and effort sourcing hot women, are usually in agreement with each other when it comes to using the scale and rating girls. Check the Seeking thread, or Sao Paulo thread. Only medellin morons are the ones posting crap about how someone's 5 is someone's 10

Best restaurants to take a new chica? Interested in modern, trendy but not unnecessarily expensive. Places like Colossal, tho they have some $$$ dishes.

Coming to MDE this Friday for 3 nights. Feel free to DM me if you want to share ground reports. Not new to scene, have done BOG, CAR, Mexico, west EUR. My Spanish is weak, 30's guy.

Don't want to do standard Poblado / Lleras run so I linked up with some mutual locals (friend of friend), a couple guys who run their own tourism setup. I'll name & post review after.

My trips are short, I'm the wham bam x 4-5 girls a day in Tijuana or BOG but for 1st in MDE I'm slowing the pace, ideally 2 awesome full service girls for the whole weekend.

Have access to some girls through the mutuals, and set up with a girl through a rec from this forum. Turns out she's a "madame" as well. I'm hoping to make trustworthy long term contacts.

Lodging: Airbnb. Nice chill apartment in Envigado. Not close to Poblado, but being outside tourist zone in a nicer neighborhood seems to avoid lodging upsells & girls restriction. Since I'm not focusing on Lleras girls, distance doesn't matter.

Facebook: Didn't have the patience to make a new one, rumors of getting banned.

Instagram: I prefer IG over FB, feels more casual as a regular IG user. Looked up trendy MDE restaurants, found public accounts of girls with "the look" & treasure dove from there. Stuck to girls with public and sizeable but not huge presence, dove further into their friends list. Have 2-3 IG girls on retainer if needed.

Agencies: EroticasBogota (used them in Bogota, had a gorgeous girl for 375 k cop / HR), thet have MDE girls. Also LaCelestina. These are my last line of defense.

Tinder, Bumble: Pass. I already have Hinge, but the pool in MDE is small.

LLeras, Clubs: Gusto, Black Diamond, Fase Dos, La Isla. I know I'll check out Lleras as a walkthru and the clubs just to say I saw it. Since I'm mostly solo & my Spanish isn't great I don't want to get caught in bottle fees, exit fees, ripoffs so I doubt I'll pick up club girls. In CAR it was great, no covers or fees, walk in and grab any girl to your place & negotiate independently. Since I won't be desperate I can see if they bite low ball offers.

From there I'm keeping it loose since I don't know what to expect or overcommit.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2910142]Cut this crap, bro. A fat 5 is a fat 5, period. You guys have no clue how to rate girls on the 1 to 10 scale. You better not use the scale at all. Someone's 10 could be someone's 5? Haha. This is BS. I have said this so many times, the scale has nothing to do with your personal preference. I could rate a girl a high number, even if she is not my type at all. Even If I would never approach her. Because when I rate a girl, I'm trying to be as objective as possible, regardless of my personal preference. [/QUOTE]Good for you.

At least we know now that the official rating has nothing to do with personal preference and that you are the rating specialist.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2910157]Good for you.

At least we know now that the official rating has nothing to do with personal preference and that you are the rating specialist.[/QUOTE]If someone is a BMW fan for life and hates Mercedes, does this mean that E class is worse than 5 series that they drive? The cars are rated based on established criteria (acceleration, handling, etc), not based on personal preference.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2909469]What's the deal with all the police in Centro today and barriers near the church?[/QUOTE]Well, I'll answer my own question:

[B]Major Crackdown in Medellin Center Targets Sexual Exploitation.[/B]

A large-scale operation aimed at combating sexual exploitation took place in Medellin city center on the night of April 18th. This marks the third major operation of its kind in the city this year.

The focus of the operation was the area between La Veracruz Church and Botero Plaza, a popular tourist destination.

The operation involved over 150 personnel from a collaboration of agencies, including the National Police, Secretaries of Security, Health, Social Inclusion, Control and Territorial Management, and Public Spaces, the Risk Management Office (Dagrd), Migration Colombia, and the District Attorney's Office.

"We are continuously conducting operations across the city to implement controls against the sexual and commercial exploitation of children and adolescents," stated Lieutenant Colonel Mauricio Rodrguez, operational commander of the Metropolitan Police of the Aburr Valley.

The operation encompassed inspections of commercial establishments, hotels, hostels, and lodgings. Authorities verified compliance with regulations, the absence of minors, and the identification of both Colombian and foreign individuals.

Results of the operation include:

Six minors transferred to family protection services.

25 adults relocated to the CTP (protective care centers).

One arrest for personal injuries.

Six commercial establishments temporarily closed for lack of required documentation.

[URL]https://medellinexpatnews.com/medellin-center-sexual-exploitation-police/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Caboteur;2910002]It took me 2 years of work to get around 300 friends (girls) on facebook in Medellin, it's a lot of work, facebook game is not for lazy people.[/QUOTE]Although I did it long ago, it took me a few weeks to get 300 friends on Facebook. Once it got to that point, it just exploded. I stopped messing with it a few years ago, but it topped out at about 1500. There are posts in the links to Reports of Distinction thread detailing different methods.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2910164]If someone is a BMW fan for life and hates Mercedes, does this mean that E class is worse than 5 series that they drive? The cars are rated based on established criteria (acceleration, handling, etc), not based on personal preference.[/QUOTE]As long as she goes 0 to 60 in 3 seconds or less, I'll give her a 10. Lol.

In actuality I really don't rate girls. With a number anyway. I'll leave that to the aficionados like yourself.

I see a girl and I think wow, or damn, or damnnnn.

Then I go from there and see how it all works out.

My wow, just might not be someone else's wow.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2910087]I find myself endlessly immersed in YouTube videos criticizing Medellin. What drives these individuals? Are they genuinely aiming to provide a public service, or could their motives be rooted in reducing tourism to drive down costs (such as Airbnb rates, nightlife expenses, etc.) for personal gain?

Living in Chicago, I could easily create a video showcasing the city's negative aspects. While it's true, I might encounter trouble in certain areas while seeking illicit substances or engaging with drug-addicted individuals for nefarious purposes.

As for the risk of tourists being kidnapped for ransom or subjected to torture for their ATM / banking passwords, leading to their eventual demisewhat are the actual odds of such a scenario unfolding?[/QUOTE]The goal of all of them is to hopefully get enough views to make money off of YouTube. There are quite a few people who make a good living just doing YouTube videos. What they put in the videos is whatever they believe will get more people to watch. YouTube is an entertainment platform. There is no requirement for truth, accuracy or expertise. While you might find useful information, you're just as likely to find useless information.

It can happen that someone gets kidnapped, etc, and it will. However, like most things, you can remove much of the risk.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2910168]Well, I'll answer my own question:

[B]Major Crackdown in Medellin Center Targets Sexual Exploitation.[/B]

A large-scale operation aimed at combating sexual exploitation took place in Medellin city center on the night of April 18th. This marks the third major operation of its kind in the city this year.

The focus of the operation was the area between La Veracruz Church and Botero Plaza, a popular tourist destination.

The operation involved over 150 personnel from a collaboration of agencies, including the National Police, Secretaries of Security, Health, Social Inclusion, Control and Territorial Management, and Public Spaces, the Risk Management Office (Dagrd), Migration Colombia, and the District Attorney's Office.

"We are continuously conducting operations across the city to implement controls against the sexual and commercial exploitation of children and adolescents," stated Lieutenant Colonel Mauricio Rodrguez, operational commander of the Metropolitan Police of the Aburr Valley.

The operation encompassed inspections of commercial establishments, hotels, hostels, and lodgings. Authorities verified compliance with regulations, the absence of minors, and the identification of both Colombian and foreign individuals.

Results of the operation include:

Six minors transferred to family protection services.

25 adults relocated to the CTP (protective care centers).

Six commercial establishments temporarily closed for lack of required documentation.

[URL]https://medellinexpatnews.com/medellin-center-sexual-exploitation-police/[/URL][/QUOTE]"The operation encompassed inspections of commercial establishments, hotels, hostels, and lodgings. Authorities verified compliance with regulations, the absence of minors, and the identification of both Colombian and foreign individuals. ".

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2910142]Cut this crap, bro. A fat 5 is a fat 5, period. You guys have no clue how to rate girls on the 1 to 10 scale. You better not use the scale at all. Someone's 10 could be someone's 5? Haha. This is BS. I have said this so many times, the scale has nothing to do with your personal preference. I could rate a girl a high number, even if she is not my type at all. Even If I would never approach her. Because when I rate a girl, I'm trying to be as objective as possible, regardless of my personal preference. I look at her body proportions, body fat percentage, face, teeth / smile, hair, if she natural or not, tattoos, etc. I don't care if she is black or white or whatever. In the model industry there are certain standards that have been around for decades. Certain height, proportions, etc that any girl wanting to do modeling needs to meet. A girl with a silicone ass and tits, tons of makeup and tattoos will never win any type of a beauty contest or never be a top model because she is not natural. I understand there could be a slight variance, but when one guy rates a girl a 5, and the other guy rates her a 10, either of them is delusional af.

And you know what? Usually the guys who have low standards, el centro rats, guys with no experience scoring hot women are the ones who are against using the scale. Because pussy is pussy. Guys who actually have good taste in women and have been successful scoring them, who don't mind putting time and effort sourcing hot women, are usually in agreement with each other when it comes to using the scale and rating girls. Check the Seeking thread, or Sao Paulo thread. Only medellin morons are the ones posting crap about how someone's 5 is someone's 10[/QUOTE]All of this is partially accurate, if you are hiring runway models to be runway models. Otherwise it's useless. Here's a simple link to clearly illustrate that fact:

[URL]https://models.com/mdx/model-of-the-year-awards-2023/[/URL]

If you're actually hiring models, you're hiring to satisfy a particular client. That might mean tall, slender, all natural with no tattoos, or that might be short, chubby and loaded with tattoos and piercings. There is a niche for every look. In this situation you can be objective, but your objectivity is based upon the client's subjective requirements.

If you're hiring someone to fuck, or just finding someone to fuck you for free, or some non-monetary exchange, objectivity goes right down the toilet. There is no industry standard. While some looks are attractive to more men, not many of us are fucking for the majority. We fuck for ourselves. All it takes is to read any of the review threads around the world to confirm this. There are countless reports where guys give high numerical ratings with all types of descriptions, from skinny to chunky, short to tall, natural to all silicone, etc.

That's the reality. Almost all of the people who post here are looking for women who appeal to them and they don't care what other guys think. Those of us who socialize with other members experience exactly that all the time. I remember one night sitting in a bar with a few other guys and a few working girls. There were only 2 girls left that someone hadn't laid claim to and I seemed to be the only guy left who was ready to pull the trigger. Both girls were equally attractive to me, although they were not similar in looks, different body types, different facial shapes, hair, proportions and all that. I finally settled on 1. Then the last guy said he would have taken her, but he wasn't interested in the 1 remaining. Simply put, standing face to face, with the girls side by side, we rated them differently. I switched to the other girl, and everyone went away happy. Yes, the bar was in the Parque Lleras area, no it wasan't Gusto, and they weren't fat, ugly street girls.

That's frankly quite common, whether you're talking Centro rats, or top escort agency clientele. Some guys are only interested in 1 particular type and they may have to search far and wide to find a match. Other guys find several different looks attractive, but pick based upon their mood, or some intangible.

It's easy to claim someone has low standards, or no taste, or isn't willing to put in the effort, or money, but that's all garbage. Until you stand face to face with someone and see who they are getting and show who you are getting, it's all just rectal extraction therapy (pulling shit out of your ass to make yourself feel better).

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2910149]Best restaurants to take a new chica? Interested in modern, trendy but not unnecessarily expensive. Places like Colossal, tho they have some $$$ dishes.

Coming to MDE this Friday for 3 nights. Feel free to DM me if you want to share ground reports. Not new to scene, have done BOG, CAR, Mexico, west EUR. My Spanish is weak, 30's guy.

Don't want to do standard Poblado / Lleras run so I linked up with some mutual locals (friend of friend), a couple guys who run their own tourism setup. I'll name & post review after.

My trips are short, I'm the wham bam x 4-5 girls a day in Tijuana or BOG but for 1st in MDE I'm slowing the pace, ideally 2 awesome full service girls for the whole weekend.

Have access to some girls through the mutuals, and set up with a girl through a rec from this forum. Turns out she's a "madame" as well. I'm hoping to make trustworthy long term contacts.

Lodging: Airbnb. Nice chill apartment in Envigado. Not close to Poblado, but being outside tourist zone in a nicer neighborhood seems to avoid lodging upsells & girls restriction. Since I'm not focusing on Lleras girls, distance doesn't matter.

Facebook: Didn't have the patience to make a new one, rumors of getting banned.

Instagram: I prefer IG over FB, feels more casual as a regular IG user. Looked up trendy MDE restaurants, found public accounts of girls with "the look" & treasure dove from there. Stuck to girls with public and sizeable but not huge presence, dove further into their friends list. Have 2-3 IG girls on retainer if needed.

Agencies: EroticasBogota (used them in Bogota, had a gorgeous girl for 375 k cop / HR), thet have MDE girls. Also LaCelestina. These are my last line of defense.

Tinder, Bumble: Pass. I already have Hinge, but the pool in MDE is small.

LLeras, Clubs: Gusto, Black Diamond, Fase Dos, La Isla. I know I'll check out Lleras as a walkthru and the clubs just to say I saw it. Since I'm mostly solo & my Spanish isn't great I don't want to get caught in bottle fees, exit fees, ripoffs so I doubt I'll pick up club girls. In CAR it was great, no covers or fees, walk in and grab any girl to your place & negotiate independently. Since I won't be desperate I can see if they bite low ball offers.

From there I'm keeping it loose since I don't know what to expect or overcommit.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of good date restaurants in Provenza. Teatro Victoria is trendy. There's a Middle Eastern place by OCI Medellin which I like. If you're in Envigado, Calle de La Buena Mesa has several good options. For lunch try burgers and chocolate malts at Classic Diner. In the hills east of Envigado are a lot of cool restaurants.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2910164]If someone is a BMW fan for life and hates Mercedes, does this mean that E class is worse than 5 series that they drive? The cars are rated based on established criteria (acceleration, handling, etc), not based on personal preference.[/QUOTE]Actually, if you spend any time reading automotive magazines and comparisons you will see that they are all rated based on personal preference. Yes, there are established tests to determine acceleration, stopping distance, traction on various surfaces, etc. Yet, the final analysis is subjective. One writer favors acceleration over handling, another emphasizes comfort, yet another looks at resell value, maintenance costs, price, option packages, the list goes on and on.

Ultimately, the guy buying the car (the house, the shoes, or the pussy), will exercise his own choice based upon whatever factors are most important to him. Otherwise, there would only be 1 car manufacturer, making 1 model, in 1 color, because everyone would agree on the only car worth buying.

Probably back in 1976 or 77, Car and Driver had an issue, 4 or 5 of their writers submitted their choice for the best car in the world. These were all writers who tested all types of high-end cars. I don't remember all of the choices, only 1. Not certain of the year, somewhere between 1965 and 1968 (although not 1967, I would have remembered that one), Chevrolet Impala. A guy who regularly drove Porsche, Ferrari, Rolls-Royce and more, picked an aging mid-range Chevrolet as the world's best car, and he had good reasons.

I've seen the options in Gusto. I've helped a guy negotiate a price in Gusto with a girl he thought was gorgeous and who I thought was average. I've seen a girl in Gusto who I thought was gorgeous, who spoke good English, who was a university student and obviously not a full time prostitute. She hooked up with a friend, left with us after we closed Gusto and went to Club Fahrenheit. She eventually went home with him and spent the better part of the day with him, for no more than 150 k (I know because he was out of cash and asked for 150 k), at a time when 200-300 k was a good price.

In the end, it doesn't matter if you think a girl is a 10, although you have no interest in her, or a 5 and you have no interest in her. All that matters is finding a girl who you are interested in, who will push all the right buttons and leave you smiling.

"How does his experience tell him how much "unattractive gringo tourist" gets charged differently??

I have posted links of girls I've had experience with whom I consider attractive and cute.

This is a girl I consider attractive. If you must know. And I have partied with her on a few occasions. Although last time was 4 years ago still one of the hottest. ".

To me this looks very much like a semi muscular trans man in a bikini. The facial structure, the implants, the shoulders, the torso / abdomen, hips and thighs all suggest XY chromosomes.

I don't like Ladyboys. I lived in Asia for several years so my LB radar is extremely accurate.

I don't know Evigado area but here are some top restaurants I know. There are many many more, and I can suggest more if you have a specific cuisine in mind.

Mamba Negra.

Oni.

Ocio.

Carmen.

Ritwal (prices like Colossal) but I would say that it is most romantic. I reserve this for very special dates.

But if you want specific recommendations for a steak, sushi, or Peruvian restaurant, let me know.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2910149]Best restaurants to take a new chica? Interested in modern, trendy but not unnecessarily expensive. Places like Colossal, tho they have some $$$ dishes.


From there I'm keeping it loose since I don't know what to expect or overcommit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2910168]
"We are continuously conducting operations across the city to implement controls against the sexual and commercial exploitation of children and adolescents," stated Lieutenant Colonel Mauricio Rodrguez, operational commander of the Metropolitan Police of the Aburr Valley.
[/QUOTE]Most studies in Colombia and other countries show that 70- of sexual exploitation is done in the home, in the neighborhood, at school, and at work. Not so much commercial. More like family, friends, school mates, and co-workers / bosses and not foreigners. Kinda looking in the wrong places.

No, I am not going to list all the studies I have read through the years. Yes, they were probably wrong which makes me wrong too. There I saved you guys some time from saying it yourselves.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2910139]The truth is that 8. 5-10 girls will never work Parque Lleras in the first place. As anywhere in the world, street girls are bottom feeders. [/QUOTE]So says the guy that uses the his own incel criteria that excludes them:

Girl rating 8+ - must work at expensive rip off strip club or be a movie star. Must charge 1. 000.000+ for a kiss.

Haha.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2910171]....My wow, just might not be someone else's wow.[/QUOTE]And your damnnnn may be someone else's wowwww. Everyone gets a piece of the action.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2910243]So says the guy that uses the his own incel criteria that excludes them:

Girl rating 8+ - must work at expensive rip off strip club or be a movie star. Must charge 1. 000.000+ for a kiss.

Haha.[/QUOTE]The vast majority are off market and not available for p4 p. And those who are available, are in high demand and can ask a higher rate and also be picky about who they sleep with.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2910229]Most studies in Colombia and other countries show that 70- of sexual exploitation is done in the home[/QUOTE]Yes, I let my girlfriend sexually exploit me at home 70% of the time she wants! LOL.

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[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2910284]The vast majority are off market and not available for p4 p. And those who are available, are in high demand and can ask a higher rate and also be picky about who they sleep with.[/QUOTE]Are you back on the magic, secret, upper echelon woman school conspiracy theory? Some magical group of pixies fly around the world, select every girl who meets your "10" criteria and whisks her away to an exclusive enclave accessible only by super elite men of wealth and power?

Gorgeous, girls mature every day, in every type of situation, and end up in every type of situation. And at some point almost every one of them is available to almost anyone who is able to just strike up a conversation. The biggest obstacle is most of them aren't where you think they are.

The ones who are off market, unavailable for p4 p, or only available for a high price are the worst of the group, not the best. There's no passion there, just a price tag. While they're fucking their way to the top dollar ranks, they're fucking a whole bunch of guys who are just paying the going rate, plus the guys they fuck for free. A few years and a few hundred customers later, some guy is crowing about his low mileage, exclusive girl.

Meanwhile, in a little restaurant, in an average neighborhood, a girl just as beautiful, with the same proportions, who meets all your "10" criteria, is working 50-60 hours per week for 250-300 k. And any guy who can engage her mind, flatter her and feed her dreams can have her for a night, or a lifetime.

Here's a secret that's been shared here many times, by many people. The more beautiful a woman is, the more likely she is to be insecure about her looks. A man doesn't have to be handsome, or wealthy, just clean, reasonably groomed and dressed, and confident.

In Colombia, most of the girls have never met a gringo. If the gringo can speak some Spanish, and can strike up a conversation, he can be halfway into her panties within a few exchanges. Unlike the "off market" girl, she's in it for the experience, not the money or position.

You won't find girls like that in Provenza, Parque Lleras or the more traveled streets of Laureles. There, you're just another gringo, and if you lack in looks and confidence, your only option is to spend more.

The guys who venture further afield know the truth.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2910098]How does his experience tell him how much "unattractive gringo tourist" gets charged differently?...[/QUOTE]My question is how do you know he does not? It is possible girls charging differently prices. Did he define what is unattractive?

A gringo can go to El Centro and be charged 100 mil. An experienced gringo says the price is 40 mil. In my opinion, both have incomplete information. One can put these two together to form a more complete picture. I take this view so I don't think it is exactly misinformation.