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[QUOTE=Giotto]
I would strongly support LBMs concept of having 2 wives. Your Thai friend knows that you are married and have a kid (hopefully), she will accept your wife as first wife. Make it clear from the beginning, that this is the only way it works.
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Generally great advice akthough I'm not too sure about the 2 wives bit being truelly workable. Might find it comes with far too many problems.
Then eventually you might not want either of them.
[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Generally great advice akthough I'm not too sure about the 2 wives bit being truelly workable. Might find it comes with far too many problems.
Then eventually you might not want either of them.[/QUOTE]Soap Fan,
You are right, I should clarify that it can work if both women live on different continents :) ...
Giotto
You might not enjoy your wife anymore, but you are responsible to your kid. Now you propose to abandon that for a bargirl past her prime. Really look in the mirror and ask yourself what that looks like. And be honest about it. With your domestic situation as it is, you should not be allowing your little head to do your thinking for you.
About doing business with the bargirl, this old saying applies to ventures like yours: the way to a small fortune is to start with a large one.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]...But if I'm right and I hope I'm not and it's not too late for you I suggest you cover up or get your dick nip so you can't have anymore kids. When it comes to Thailand with bargirls and being in Pattaya I see so many young and old Farangs with newborns. In my opinion and observation so many are taught you want your man spread you legs and have a baby!...[/QUOTE]I've heard about two pregnant bargirls in the last few weeks. One of the girls has a 40-ish guy in Italy, who lives with his parents, now sending her money. And the other is shopping for an abortion as she "only did it one time" with the Irish [i]farang[/i], and he is long gone.
Run Joe, run!!!
Maybe now you are so involved that can't let her go, I now this feeling. Just try to keep your head above water if anything else. ie. don't involve money that is important for you and your family, and don't take any final decisions in relation with your family.
Someone said 1 year, it can be much sooner that you see things completely different.
Anyway first class advice by the other posters.
[QUOTE=Ezinho]Somewhat off topic, but Joe's post reminded me of something I have said before on this site; the majority of guys that monger should not be mongering in the first place. They are just too emotional and dumbstruck by the pussy to be able to monger successfully. This is nothing against Joe, but in all seriousness, he should probably ask Jackson to cancel his membership to the ISG; this website and all the information on it is potentially dangerous for him.
Joe, find another hobby. Start a bottlecap collection, learn to cook, join a softball team, whatever. From your post, it's clear you should not be mongering.[/QUOTE]Although this report is too moronic to be true. I think a lonely guy wants a bit of conversation so comes up with this tale of stupidity which gets the attention he's after. Odds on that Joe will report back with thanks to all. He's seen the light and from here on will only have meaningless sex with youngsters.
Thank you everyone for your help, I already feel much better and wiser.
Fon Tok,
In general, I bet the bank on this one that the girl that got pregnant by the Irish guy if he wasn't long gone she wouldn't be looking for an abortion! No support why have the baby what is the point? the baby is a means to have a better life. Remember I'm not trying to bash the Thai's it's done all over the world even in America!
When it comes to business, I don't think it is in any terms like running a real hotel like even the one Giotto does.
Let me explain what she is talking about! Like most poor girls or bargirls where they come from. They save alittle money and the first thing they want is to purchase land. This land is for them to build something for income and still live in it which makes lots of sense right. The concept of having a place to hang your hat for the rest of your life and roof over your head is a Asian concept that's why they own all the property in the U.S. and have tons of family members living in it.
Now let take her reason " hotel for migrant workers " from my experience I going to make some general quotes on how much is the land worth and how much it will cost to build it! Let say she pays 500,000 baht for the land ( 100 square meter or 2,500 sq. ft. ) she spends another 1,000,000 baht to build 6 rooms or hotel as you call it. The going rate of rent in the area regardless of condition is 2,000 baht a month. if they are full each month that's income of 12,000 baht a month and if they are full year round that brings you a annual income of 144,000 baht, which you should be looking at breaking even after 11 years. In the Western world that is not a good investment but to a uneducated Thai that looks good. But not good enough for a Thai bank to loan them money! It makes no sense even to a Thai Bank. But if they can find a Farang to invest to help foot the rest then it becomes a great idea! Like I tell my Brother wife, the idea sounds great but what is your business plan? They never have one and is offended when you a Farang ask but a Thai bank will ask the same questions? My brothers wife hates me because I know better and constantly tell her if you had to pay for it yourself would you do it? In the end if you want to help them build something for the future so they can pass it on. I say knock yourself out but in Thailand for a Farang never for a profit! The kind of hotel she is thinking and what Jose is thinking he will find out it's a whole different type of hotel! I have learned that first hand not only in hotels but many others business suggestion that I have been purposed!
In regards to 2 wives, thanks for the clarification Giotto! In Thailand the 2nd wife isn't really the legal wife, as they define it no papers! you die so does all her hopes for the future. Joe can help her out and see where it takes him and when he's in town he can still get that old juices pussy and test her loyality at the same time. If she is stringing him along with others in time she will show her true color and pick the best prospect. Meantime Joe kills 2 birds with 1 stone while still doing the right thing by taking care of his real family at home!
LBM
LBM
I feel like I may be beating a dead horse, but here is my two cents anyways.
5 trips to Paty is not actually going to Thailand. It is like saying I went to Vegas 5 times and stayed only at the MGM Grand. You really do not learn anything about the place, people or culture.
This lady may actually be in love with you, but are you in love? or lust? You probably have never received this kind of attention from any American woman (I never have). So it feels good and special. Which is the POINT of going to Thailand as a monger.
Stay with your wife. Chat with the girl in Thailand. See how it looks in 6 months. Do not give her any money.
If it is still the same then make your choice then.
Slylock
[QUOTE=Slylock]This lady may actually be in love with you, but are you in love? or lust? [/QUOTE]
I was 23 years old when I visit Thailand first now I am 39 years old. I stayed at that time mostly 5-7 weeks later 3- 4 weeks and traveled through the whole country. From Chiang Rai to Hat Yai. I guess I were 20 times in Thailand. Mostly alone, sometimes with Farang Girlfriends.
I had alot of Thai girls, mostly freelancer. Very often the GFE was very deep and if compare to relationship with western women, the feeling that they are in love more likely.
But, that is just my impression. Thai girls are very good in gfe and give you the feeling that they are in love.
But, that is not true. They might like you, but really love you more than their family is very seldom.
Once I had such an experience, when I were in Phuket when I were 24 years old. How did I knew that she loved me? First of all she don't ask for money, even not for a barfine (she worked at a beerbar). Than she wrote me love letters after I part from her for Singapore. Than she told all people that I am her bf, so that even the owner of a Thai-Mexican Restaurant told me that she is in love with me. I didn't took it serious, nor did I appreciate, since I didn't feel the same for her.
Long speach short, it's very seldom that Thai bar girl, or freelancer fall really in love. More likely is that they get used to you and try to find a sponsor or some security.
No, Joe, don't believe the nay-sayers1
She loves you, she truly does!
Making her an "honest woman" will change her.
She told me so, as she gave me a heavenly blow job -
"you cock too big Gentleman - but Joe has perfect small cock, I love it immensly!
I be his number 1 wife and business partner - it true love, like Romeo and Juliette (Marquis de Sade version)"
So abandon your wife and young child - go to your bargirl and save her!
Invest in her business proposition prosper and live happily ever after...
Best wishes,
GT
[QUOTE=Joe Cose]Need some advice. I am getting deeply involved with a bar girl. She is 40, classy and works out of one of the better bars in Pattaya. She has several regular customers who barfine her for blocks of time when they visit LOS. This is my fifth trip to LOS and the last couple of trips I have found myself more inclined to go back to my regulars. I met this particular girl in trip 2 and had a sensational time with her, superb GFE. She wanted more but I said I needed to butterfly, she said she understood. Ditto trip 3. On trip 5 I saw her and sparks flew. I took her to Isaan for a trip and every moment was bliss. I ended up going with her for 8 days straight. Now I am on a business trip out of LOS for 2 weeks but have arranged to see her on my return. She says she has given me her heart and it sure feels like it. One day she said those little words that go straight to a man's heart, 'I want you fuck me no condom'. Her bar makes her check every month so not a bad risk for me, maybe more for her? Anyways I did and it was totally sublime, she has the most beautiful tight pussy. I go straight to heaven.
I have been thinking I need some pretext to visit Thailand more often and she owns some land she bought 5 years before in Ayutayah. She wants to build a hotel for migrant workers on it. I am thinking this could make a good business partnership. I am planning to visit the land with her and make some investigation about the profitability of the whole thing. I would not need to put in a significant part of my wealth. She has a good strong character for business but very inexperienced. BTW, I have a wife and young kid at home but right now I have half a mind to just up sticks and go live with her in LOS.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Joe Cose]Need some advice. I am getting deeply involved with a bar girl. She is 40, classy and works out of one of the better bars in Pattaya. She has several regular customers who barfine her for blocks of time when they visit LOS. This is my fifth trip to LOS and the last couple of trips I have found myself more inclined to go back to my regulars. I met this particular girl in trip 2 and had a sensational time with her, superb GFE. She wanted more but I said I needed to butterfly, she said she understood. Ditto trip 3. On trip 5 I saw her and sparks flew. I took her to Isaan for a trip and every moment was bliss. I ended up going with her for 8 days straight. Now I am on a business trip out of LOS for 2 weeks but have arranged to see her on my return. She says she has given me her heart and it sure feels like it. One day she said those little words that go straight to a man's heart, 'I want you fuck me no condom'. Her bar makes her check every month so not a bad risk for me, maybe more for her? Anyways I did and it was totally sublime, she has the most beautiful tight pussy. I go straight to heaven.
I have been thinking I need some pretext to visit Thailand more often and she owns some land she bought 5 years before in Ayutayah. She wants to build a hotel for migrant workers on it. I am thinking this could make a good business partnership. I am planning to visit the land with her and make some investigation about the profitability of the whole thing. I would not need to put in a significant part of my wealth. She has a good strong character for business but very inexperienced. BTW, I have a wife and young kid at home but right now I have half a mind to just up sticks and go live with her in LOS.[/QUOTE]You are either a TROLL or a complete fool.
Thanks for the belly laugh.
[QUOTE=Joe Cose]She says she has given me her heart and it sure feels like it. One day she said those little words that go straight to a man's heart, 'I want you fuck me no condom'. Her bar makes her check every month so not a bad risk for me, maybe more for her? Anyways I did and it was totally sublime, she has the most beautiful tight pussy. I go straight to heaven.[/quote]
Dude, please oh please, WAKE the fuck up!!!
I have been living in Bkk for about 4 years and have heard these same words coming out of girls mouths countless times.
1. she does not love you, sorry. You are a customer and a potential dumb one from whom she will be able to extract money when needed (sick buffalo, motorbike repair, mother in hospital...)
2. the No condom issue, hahaha, this makes me laugh because 99% of the P4P girls in LOS do it with no condom with all their regular (unless the man refuses). They have no idea about STDs. And the monthly checks? well they can easily walk into a crooked doctor's office and ask for a fake exam.
Not many places actually pay for their own doctor.
[quote]I have been thinking I need some pretext to visit Thailand more often and she owns some land she bought 5 years before in Ayutayah. She wants to build a hotel for migrant workers on it. I am thinking this could make a good business partnership. I am planning to visit the land with her and make some investigation about the profitability of the whole thing. I would not need to put in a significant part of my wealth. She has a good strong character for business but very inexperienced.[/quote]
Careful... be very very careful. This is Thailand you are investing in. All the papers will be on her name (the Land for sure) so you must be very cautious.
As far as the hotel is concerned, she could wait until it is built, maybe a few years later ask for astronomical rent. This will drive the business to the ground and one of her "cousins" will buy it cheap. then you'll be out the picture.
Be very careful and no matter what you do, hire a lawyer to look at all the papers (all will be in thai)
Good luck anyway
[QUOTE=Joe Cose]Thank you everyone for your help, I already feel much better and wiser.[/QUOTE]
In case you missed it, Joe said he's got it.
[QUOTE=Soap Fan]great advice although I'm not too sure about the 2 wives bit being truly workable. You might find it comes with far too many problems. [/QUOTE]e.g. two mothers-in-law. ;)