Looks like negotiation might have been a better idea?
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Looks like negotiation might have been a better idea?
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What was asshole Thaksin's political party called??? Thai-Rak-Thai (Thais Love Thais)??? Bullshit!!! I can't believe he let this happen. Someone should put a bullet in this guys head. I never hated anybody, but I hate this guy. He is destroying a country that I love and enjoy travelling to. I wish everyone on the ground there in Thailand the best of luck.
Here is another link that might help keep everyone updated.
[url]http://live.reuters.com/Event/Bangkok_protests[/url]
[QUOTE=Phuquer]What was asshole Thaksin's political party called??? Thai-Rak-Thai (Thais Love Thais)??? Bullshit!!! I can't believe he let this happen. Someone should put a bullet in this guys head. I never hated anybody, but I hate this guy. He is destroying a country that I love and enjoy travelling to. I wish everyone on the ground there in Thailand the best of luck.[/QUOTE]
It is far more complex than that! Thaksin was corrupt, trampled human rights in every which way, but at least he paid attention to the poor, even if it might have been an election ploy. The Yellows are just as bad, arguably worse since they never paid attention to the poor and even look down on them, going as far as calling for an end to one-man one vote rule in some cases. As the elite(s) are going to steal anyway, the only viable solution is for the elite(s) (Yellow and Red) to steal 90% instead of 99%.
Thailand is going to have to get its act together. Bangkok might be clear (or about to be cleared) of the redshirts but the provinces in the North will be restive. There has to be a compromise.
A recent list of the fires/damages:
1. Siam Square, on fire (rumour)
2. Paragon, smaller fire in front
3. Centara Grand: fire under control
4. Stock Exchange of Thailand office: on fire
5. Mahachon Plaza (entrance of Wireless Rd-Ploenchit Rd): on fire
6. Krung Thai and Bangkok Bank (Asoke Branch): on fire
7. Narcotics Control Board: on fire
8. Bangkok Bank (Din Daeng): fire under control
9. Maleenont Building: on fire
10. Bangkok Bank and Lotus Rama 4: on fire
11. EGAT Klongtoey: fire under control
12. Central World: seriously on fire, several storeys burnung
Giotto
[QUOTE=Phuquer]What was asshole Thaksin's political party called??? Thai-Rak-Thai (Thais Love Thais)??? Bullshit!!! I can't believe he let this happen. Someone should put a bullet in this guys head. I never hated anybody, but I hate this guy. He is destroying a country that I love and enjoy travelling to. I wish everyone on the ground there in Thailand the best of luck.[/QUOTE]
The vast majority of Thai people were better off under Thaksin than under the Abhisit government.
Thaksin concentrated wealth into his and his cronies hands, and took care of the underclass.
The yellow coalition government concentrates wealth into a whole elite class of people and they ruthlessly exploit the other 98%.
By the metric of overall economic growth, Abhisit is more succesful. By the metric of overall well being of the population, Thaksin was.
Do you love the sex and partying, or the people?
What is a nation?
Is Thaksin destroying your party spot, or is the greed of the yellows and their refusal to share the nations wealth with its people really at fault?
I personally don't know which approach is better in the long term, but I surely don't see how this disastrous cataclysm will be better than just continuing to work at a solution peacefully, or even just dissolving and holding an election so the people could decide democratically would have been.
There will be years, perhaps decades of conflict and insurgency now. The genie is out and no one, neither Abhisit or the Red's will get it back in the bottle for a long time now.
I weep for Siam.
[QUOTE=Naughty]The vast majority of Thai people were better off under Thaksin than under the Abhisit government.[/QUOTE]Please, could you take this elsewhere? There's a 'Thai politics' section under the Thai expat forum that welcomes this kind of post, no matter how misinformed. More than ever, this forum needs to be devoted to practical matters that affect us in Bangkok right now.
[QUOTE=Betong]...no matter how misinformed.[/QUOTE]
But Betong, you got your political fling in here too!
The pot is calling the kettle black!
[QUOTE=Naughty]But Betong, you got your political fling in here too![/QUOTE]Hey, just a statement of what goes on in that forum, not accusing anyone ;-)
[QUOTE=Betong]More than ever, this forum needs to be devoted to practical matters that affect us in Bangkok right now.[/QUOTE]The only thing practical in Bangkok right now is keeping one's ass alive. I was out in Khlong Toey this morning and I can definitely say there was an [i]anti-farang[/i] sentiment in the air.
The masked guys in these photos were breaking out the glass at the MRT station. The photographer was trying to film it. Later the MRT station was set on fire.
[QUOTE=Naughty]
Do you love the sex and partying, or the people?
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I love the SEX and I hope it gets cheaper. Love the people? Nope! They certainly don't love us!
[QUOTE=Amjeck]I love the SEX and I hope it gets cheaper. Love the people? Nope! They certainly don't love us![/QUOTE]Yes, now we know why!
[QUOTE=Naughty]The vast majority of Thai people were better off under Thaksin than under the Abhisit government.
Thaksin concentrated wealth into his and his cronies hands, and took care of the underclass.
The yellow coalition government concentrates wealth into a whole elite class of people and they ruthlessly exploit the other 98%.
By the metric of overall economic growth, Abhisit is more succesful. By the metric of overall well being of the population, Thaksin was.
Do you love the sex and partying, or the people?
What is a nation?
Is Thaksin destroying your party spot, or is the greed of the yellows and their refusal to share the nations wealth with its people really at fault?
I personally don't know which approach is better in the long term, but I surely don't see how this disastrous cataclysm will be better than just continuing to work at a solution peacefully, or even just dissolving and holding an election so the people could decide democratically would have been.
There will be years, perhaps decades of conflict and insurgency now. The genie is out and no one, neither Abhisit or the Red's will get it back in the bottle for a long time now.
I weep for Siam.[/QUOTE]Fuck me. Vast majority? Who's suckin your dick and tellin you it's big?
I have lived in Thailand since 1982. You're right, you don't know, so keep your yap shut. Every single death involved in this latest go-round belongs on Thaksin's head. Period.
The genie was out of the bottle when Thaksin started lying about his "best friend", then Prime Minister, 'Chuan Leekpai'. Thaksin easily paid off the media to make it all believable. This butt ugly elementary school diorama was pasted on the wall a long long time ago Naughty. Thaskin is a moron, a fact obviously assessed long before you got here, stupid rich does not equal stupid smart. (His wife is a conniving ho.)
Now, talk about what you know.
History lesson: Pre WW2, Isaan had all the money from old style rice farming and treated the rest of Thailand like shit. Do your homework and report back (I. E. Paybacks are rough, and so are blackshirt snipers: "A cop is always a cop" Thaksin Shinawatra's tree snipers were his favorite way to deal with petty ya-ba dealers that talked too much. His good buddy cops were all on the take.)
Google Somchai Khunpluem and Vatana Asavahame. Thaksin's outside money men. The "Khamnan" had $100 million USD in the bank ready to disseminate to the "loyal" for just this last weekend. "Little money for big things. "
Good lord. Remember the famous words of the Thaksin's era? (Coined by his wife): "Turn crisis into an opportunity"
The 'crisis', in this here and now time period, involves over 40 deaths and over 1000 injured. Anyone with an IQ of 88 (the Thai norm) knows that Thaksin is famous for ignoring the law and fabricating the truth.
Don't get me started.
[QUOTE=Fon Tok]The only thing practical in Bangkok right now is keeping one's ass alive. I was out in Khlong Toey this morning and I can definitely say there was an [i]anti-farang[/i] sentiment in the air.
The masked guys in these photos were breaking out the glass at the MRT station. The photographer was trying to film it. Later the MRT station was set on fire.[/QUOTE]The reports on the BBC today talk about an anti-press sentiment. No mention of an anti-Westerner sentiment (and I can't see why there should be one?)
[QUOTE=Mouse1]The reports on the BBC today talk about an anti-press sentiment. No mention of an anti-Westerner sentiment (and I can't see why there should be one?)[/QUOTE]Funny, I didn't see anyone from the BBC.
This morning at Khlong Toey there was a very bad vibe, and I could hear what people were saying. I did not feel welcome at their street insurrection party. Animosity (toward foreigners) is something that your rarely feel directly from Thai people, although, many people who live here know it exists.
It's madness right now in Bangkok. Madness and violence. You can see it in people's eyes.