Printable View
[QUOTE=JohnGault;2521707]Yes in regard to the new rules so you can return to the USA. In itself it is not that bad but when you look at all the other drawbacks I think this is the straw that broke the camels back. To many negatives now to travel to monger.[/QUOTE]For what its worth cities like Sao Paolo have PCR tests at the airport and they guarantee results in four hours. Just saying, it's completely doable. It's a major hassle though.
[QUOTE=JohnGault;2521707]Yes in regard to the new rules so you can return to the USA. In itself it is not that bad but when you look at all the other drawbacks I think this is the straw that broke the camels back. To many negatives now to travel to monger.[/QUOTE]Don't understand is what do they hope to achieve with this? In another two weeks I'll be vaccinated. What's the point of vaccinating people if they still going make people take these tests?
[QUOTE=Kafka;2521741]Don't understand is what do they hope to achieve with this? In another two weeks I'll be vaccinated. What's the point of vaccinating people if they still going make people take these tests?[/QUOTE]There is currently no evidence to suggest being vaccinated does not prevent you from being a carrier.
[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2521743]There is currently no evidence to suggest being vaccinated does not prevent you from being a carrier.[/QUOTE]Ok so how is that different to the person who gets Covid then repeatedly tests positive due to slow clearing or viral remnants or whatever else reason. Why are those people then being allowed on with a doctors note? Let's call this what it is, arbitrary bull shit rule making. And what a might fine job these idiots have done to date. They have lost all credibility and the only thing left is got brute force. I personally think they should implement some common sense precautions and vaccinate and get on with it.
[QUOTE=Kafka;2521741]Don't understand is what do they hope to achieve with this? In another two weeks I'll be vaccinated. What's the point of vaccinating people if they still going make people take these tests?[/QUOTE]If you look at figure 3 in this link, [URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2035389?query=recirc_mostViewed_railB_article[/URL]#, you will see that that 19 people (out of around) 14,000 got Covid even after getting the vaccine.
There is still a chance you can get Covid after the vaccine but if you do, the evidence shows it will be much milder.
As for why to get the vaccine, 269 people got Covid who got the placebo and not the real vaccine. That is where the 95% reduction came from. In addition, there were 30 critically ill people with Covid and all were in the placebo group.
I suspect in the future that you will not need a Covid test if you can prove you had the vaccine and do not have a fever, but there are not that many people who have gotten both of their injections yet.
[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2521734]For what its worth cities like Sao Paolo have PCR tests at the airport and they guarantee results in four hours. Just saying, it's completely doable. It's a major hassle though.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure Panama City also has a testing center at the airport.
[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2521743]There is currently no evidence to suggest being vaccinated does not prevent you from being a carrier.[/QUOTE]There's also no evidence to suggest that someone who was vaccinated can infect anybody else. Because there are statistics from the flight attendants organizations we do know that there is minimal risk of getting covid from flying. So this is complete bullshit but a contrarian like you of course is going to make some proclamation proclamation about it.
[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2521774]Ok so how is that different to the person who gets Covid then repeatedly tests positive due to slow clearing or viral remnants or whatever else reason. Why are those people then being allowed on with a doctors note? Let's call this what it is, arbitrary bull shit rule making. And what a might fine job these idiots have done to date. They have lost all credibility and the only thing left is got brute force. I personally think they should implement some common sense precautions and vaccinate and get on with it.[/QUOTE]Exactly how about some common sense we want to get everybody vaccinated so you're going to get vaccinated and still require all these tests to get on and off planes? For a disease that we now know is going to be endemic for a long time. ?
I am with you on this.
[QUOTE=Kafka;2521864]Exactly how about some common sense we want to get everybody vaccinated so you're going to get vaccinated and still require all these tests to get on and off planes? For a disease that we now know is going to be endemic for a long time. ?
I am with you on this.[/QUOTE]Have you considered forwarding this thread to the CDC? Maybe they will see how inconvenient it is and make some changes.
No matter what you think about it, the rule is there. Complaints probably aren't going to change it. If I was on the ground in Colombia, or planning on an upcoming trip, I'd probably devote some time to figuring out where and when to get tested.
Colombian authorities detained three US citizens who intended to leave the country at the Rafael Andúñez de Cartagena de India's airport, for which they presented false negative coronavirus tests, official sources reported this Thursday.
[URL]https://www.eluniversal.com.co/cartagena/detenidos-en-cartagena-con-pruebas-negativas-falsas-de-covid-EE4042879[/URL]
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2521919]Have you considered forwarding this thread to the CDC? Maybe they will see how inconvenient it is and make some changes.
No matter what you think about it, the rule is there. Complaints probably aren't going to change it. If I was on the ground in Colombia, or planning on an upcoming trip, I'd probably devote some time to figuring out where and when to get tested.[/QUOTE]Since they are responsible for checking for test results, ID check with your airline as to where you can get the test. And ensure that you get the correct test.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2521919]Have you considered forwarding this thread to the CDC? Maybe they will see how inconvenient it is and make some changes.
No matter what you think about it, the rule is there. Complaints probably aren't going to change it. If I was on the ground in Colombia, or planning on an upcoming trip, I'd probably devote some time to figuring out where and when to get tested.[/QUOTE]I don't have to do that because the airlines are going to do that for me. Given the rate of false positives which is already established and the number of people who are going to be stranded at airports in foreign countries calling their embassy. This will be simplified sooner rather than later......
None of this is required for travel within the United States..... it's a fact that the United States actually has more coronavirus than any country we could possibly travel to..... And we actually have all these new strains as well.
[QUOTE=OnFireBoy;2522161]Colombian authorities detained three US citizens who intended to leave the country at the Rafael Andez de Cartagena de India's airport, for which they presented false negative coronavirus tests, official sources reported this Thursday.
[URL]https://www.eluniversal.com.co/cartagena/detenidos-en-cartagena-con-pruebas-negativas-falsas-de-covid-EE4042879[/URL][/QUOTE]I pulled some quotes from the article translated by Google to English.
"during the control process they noticed alleged "irregularities in the test codes, which is why it was decided to verify directly with the laboratory. ".
"When doing this verification process, it was discovered that the Americans "had not taken the tests, but that the tests, presented to Migracióand Colombia, belonged to other people, who would have taken them in October 2020. ".
I wanted to highlight this because I had read in an earlier post where someone claimed it was easy to turn in a fake test, but I am not sure if they were saying when leaving the USA or when leaving Colombia.
Because they are FLAILING. The authorities all around the World (whether they be health officials, governors, presidents, mayors, judges etc) don't really know what to do, but when you have 90% of hospital beds occupied, you have to try something. It's sort of human nature. If you throw enough shit against the wall, it's got to work.
[QUOTE=Kafka;2521864]Exactly how about some common sense we want to get everybody vaccinated so you're going to get vaccinated and still require all these tests to get on and off planes? For a disease that we now know is going to be endemic for a long time. ?
I am with you on this.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2522301]I pulled some quotes from the article translated by Google to English.
"during the control process they noticed alleged "irregularities in the test codes, which is why it was decided to verify directly with the laboratory. ".
"When doing this verification process, it was discovered that the Americans "had not taken the tests, but that the tests, presented to Migraciand Colombia, belonged to other people, who would have taken them in October 2020. ".
I wanted to highlight this because I had read in an earlier post where someone claimed it was easy to turn in a fake test, but I am not sure if they were saying when leaving the USA or when leaving Colombia.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing that they provided the fake tests to migración on their entry into Colombia, the officials probably waited they are leaving the country to catch them.