Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1289636]Sorry guys, but I have done many times the BKK-PTY & PTY-BKK by car on the same day without hassle.

Why not combine an "Apple" Trip with Some Mangoes and go back home?

I mean why not go to BKK Quickly, go to the Apple Store to buy the iphone (they have a 6 months no interest plan) , go to Mango Massage, fuck a mango up the cherry, and then go back to Pattaya.

The whole experience could be done in 6 hours.[/QUOTE]Do those 6 hrs includealso a stop to unlock your I-phone? .

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1289650]I've seen reported a taxi cost of 1000 to Pattaya several times, from the airport, but how much is reasonable when you get a taxi in BKK center? Same cost? I tried a few taxis last time and none would go for 1000. We gave up and I ended up paying 1400.[/QUOTE]I generally pay 1100 to 1300 Baht for a private car from Suriwongse Road to Pattaya (inc Tolls.)

Two weeks ago I paid 1800 Baht for a nice, newish 'luxury minibus' for 4 people with lots of luggage.

Hotman.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1289613]I have also noticed they tend to go for the fat chicks so maybe the gogos aren't really suited to them although whether this is due to personal taste or budgetary constraints I do not know.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Pointy Stick; 1289521]I'd say it was a cultural trait of Indians to save money not that this is a bad thing as I do so myself in my own country but I ease up a bit more in LOS.

There is simply no way I'm willingly putting myself in the same room where I have to view another man's erect penis.

As a budget orientated monger myself out of choice I don't hit up the gogos for 2500 LT sessions but opt for Soi 6 / BR and BJ bars to make the most of every dollar but there is a limit.[/QUOTE]Hmm. Just saw some discussion happening around Indians and thought that as I am one from the country, might clarify the air a wee bit from my side. I have mongered reasonably extensively in Thailand and the ' uninitiated / first timer / miser / extremely low budget' Indian is someone who brings all of his ilk a bad name, but all fingers arent equal, and not everyone behaves in the same manner. I will tell the problems:

1. Most Indians come to Thailand as the tickets are really cheap and its foreign travel which is considered upmarket, at a price which beats the domestic airfares in some cases!. I guess the going rate should be 300USD for a return trip to Suvarnabhumi from Delhi or so. When a person flying out of Country for the first time comes to a culturally different society like Thailand, (in India open sex is still a taboo, more so among the lower strata of the society as well as the medium rung- prostitution is banned and enforced much strongly unlike Thailand. Nudity is uncommon). When such a person comes across to Thailand he has a mental imagery of being in a harem where he will be handed over a Thai girl with Visa on arrival. A sex starved person with a hige erection wants to place his weenie in any hole thats available, things like quality and experience can go F*ck themself. Hence most Indians would prefer the cheapest, as long as she's a human. Too bad, but not everyone is well to do and they only want a F*ck, period.

2. I would say some 50-70% of Indian tourists could be small time shopkeepers who buy loads of Thai clothing, its very popular in India- the fit and finish and sizes suits the Asians much better than the Europeans. So there's this huge demand. When these shopkeepers operating on wafer thin margins come to Thailand, then all money for mongering is going from their miniscule profits, and then again- they swivel towards the cheapest available C*nt.

3. The most irritating aspect- Nude shows are non existent in India. Cabarets were once popular but largely extinct now. When you come from a society where nudity is a strict no no, you really want to have a good time ina place where its culturally acceptable. The Indians would head to go go bars, see nude girls gyrating on poles, would NOT pick any chick, go back to their rooms and jerk off in the memories of what they just saw. This means no business for bar owner, no ladies drinks, nothing. Just free crowd ogling at girls. Thus, Rainbow has perhaps restricted entry of Indians and its the case of a few rats bringing a bad name to everyone in the community. The bard would allow would allow the white skinned men even though they may not pick anyone, but they will not allow a loaded Indian. And yes, my fellow men are to be blamed for it. Its a business both ways right? You can't just go inside a bar to have a huge erection and then use your hand later to ease yourself off LOL. No money exchange, no business.

4. A combination of first timers and shopkeepers would rent rooms with twin occupancy and both men will stay in same room. Its stretching your money to the hilt, irritating hilt I shall say. When one guy gets a girl, the other will sit in the lobby or wait and then he will take the same girl or different girl and bang her. The bargain price for a girl where she is getting two men one after the other would be lower than her going to two different clients- she saves time this way. This is again looking at sex as a ten minute fetish one has to have to get rid of the tension in the loins, the face of the girl, experience, figure be damned.

Unfortunate as it may be, seasoned, accomplished and reasonable mongers from the land of the Kama Sutra would also lose out on some good experiences courtesy a generic view of the Go Go bar owners community and fellow white skinned mongers.

I have always ensured the girls I have been with have a good time and its mutually pleasurable, whether the experience has been in the States, Macau, Thailand or elsewhere. And I am happy that I have rejected more girls than I have chosen. I guess its a case of being okay with the idea of spending and not look at the whole thing as drilling your dong in a hole for five minutes and get done with it, as also the fact that quality comes at a price and its the experience, not the act that matters.

Not afraid to call a spade a spade and the majority of Indian mongers in Thailand is something I would not like to be associated with as a friend or acquaintance. I know they are there to have probably the cheapest F*ck of their lives and the eternal kick of having screwed a foreigner or just to see nude girls gyrating in go go bars, go back to their hotel rooms and jerk off. I am happy to NOT belong to the herd and being Indian myself, would say that one has to cultivate the habit, grow up from being sex starved to such an extent that any female body would do and be okay to look at mongering in Thailand as an experience, not a quickie activity. Fortunately I was not so sex starved courtesy a great Girl friend, but for many others of my ilk the sexual frustration combined with keeping a tight grip on ones money results in unpleasant behavior all around. The majority defines the perception, but heck, so be it. The ratio of genuine players to suckers may be skewed, more in India than in other countries, but genuine good players do exist.

And thats the long and short of it.

Red Mosquito

When going somewhere by taxi in LOS the most important parameter for me is how to survive. It is not all about the price. I pay mostly 1500/2200BHT from Grand President to Pattaya / Hua Hin incl tollroad. What is important to me is I have my own working seatbelt and that the driver don't drive like there is no tomorrow. And ofcorurse a nice, relatively new and spacious car I prefer.

I am not, in anyway, impressed by most of the taxidrivers driving skills. They have no ability to plan ahead, use their eyes and look ahead. Even if they se breakinglights (atleast I see them) from a distance and traffic is queing up in front (slows down) they don't break until they realy have to and I find that relatively annoying. Maby this is not strange when I hear stories on how they obtain driving licenses in LOS.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1289680]Do those 6 hrs include also a stop to unlock your I-phone? .[/QUOTE]Of course, your iphone will be unlocked at EMPORIUM while you are busy exploring the Dark-Side of your Mango Girl

Thanks Red Mosquito for the interesting perspective.

To come to Thailand, roll up to a gogo and then go back to your hotel room and be reduced to masturbation is more than a little depressing. I wonder if cheaper end of the indian monger market will make their way to Cambodia. I once had a threesome there for $USD10 in '08 although of course price would have certainly risen.

Is this a bitter indictment on the sexual mores of Indian mongers and their expectations in general that they're satisfied with a 10 minute pump and dump rather than pay more for a full on GFE/PSE which they can then take those memories to their deathbed smiling?

On a brighter note I've just come back from a Soi 6 session at Red Light with Fern. She's 23 (so she claimed) with a decent body and no tattoos! Claimed she had only worked there for a couple of month and from what I discerned she wasn't hardcore but more for a semi GF experience. Not much English but she does have a sense of humour. Does an adequate BBBJ but its clearly not her forte but I go to BJ's for that. REALLY like to DFK which is why I classed her as semi-DFE and not a slutty hardcore performance. All up a decent experience. Cost was 300 for the room + 700 to her with 100 as a tip. Declined a photo so I think she only her for a brief visit.

[QUOTE=Red Mosquito; 1289723]Hmm. Just saw some discussion happening around Indians and thought that as I am one from the country, might clarify the air a wee bit from my side. I have mongered reasonably extensively in Thailand and the ' uninitiated / first timer / miser / extremely low budget' Indian is someone who brings all of his ilk a bad name, but all fingers arent equal, and not everyone behaves in the same manner. I will tell the problems:

1. Most Indians come to Thailand as the tickets are really cheap and its foreign travel which is considered upmarket, at a price which beats the domestic airfares in some cases. I guess the going rate should be 300USD for a return trip to Suvarnabhumi from Delhi or so. When a person flying out of Country for the first time comes to a culturally different society like Thailand, (in India open sex is still a taboo, more so among the lower strata of the society as well as the medium rung- prostitution is banned and enforced much strongly unlike Thailand. Nudity is uncommon). When such a person comes across to Thailand he has a mental imagery of being in a harem where he will be handed over a Thai girl with Visa on arrival. A sex starved person with a hige erection wants to place his weenie in any hole thats available, things like quality and experience can go F*ck themself. Hence most Indians would prefer the cheapest, as long as she's a human. Too bad, but not everyone is well to do and they only want a F*ck, period.

2. I would say some 50-70% of Indian tourists could be small time shopkeepers who buy loads of Thai clothing, its very popular in India- the fit and finish and sizes suits the Asians much better than the Europeans. So there's this huge demand. When these shopkeepers operating on wafer thin margins come to Thailand, then all money for mongering is going from their miniscule profits, and then again- they swivel towards the cheapest available C*nt.

3. The most irritating aspect- Nude shows are non existent in India. Cabarets were once popular but largely extinct now. When you come from a society where nudity is a strict no no, you really want to have a good time ina place where its culturally acceptable. The Indians would head to go go bars, see nude girls gyrating on poles, would NOT pick any chick, go back to their rooms and jerk off in the memories of what they just saw. This means no business for bar owner, no ladies drinks, nothing. Just free crowd ogling at girls. Thus, Rainbow has perhaps restricted entry of Indians and its the case of a few rats bringing a bad name to everyone in the community. The bard would allow would allow the white skinned men even though they may not pick anyone, but they will not allow a loaded Indian. And yes, my fellow men are to be blamed for it. Its a business both ways right? You can't just go inside a bar to have a huge erection and then use your hand later to ease yourself off LOL. No money exchange, no business.

4. A combination of first timers and shopkeepers would rent rooms with twin occupancy and both men will stay in same room. Its stretching your money to the hilt, irritating hilt I shall say. When one guy gets a girl, the other will sit in the lobby or wait and then he will take the same girl or different girl and bang her. The bargain price for a girl where she is getting two men one after the other would be lower than her going to two different clients- she saves time this way. This is again looking at sex as a ten minute fetish one has to have to get rid of the tension in the loins, the face of the girl, experience, figure be damned.

Unfortunate as it may be, seasoned, accomplished and reasonable mongers from the land of the Kama Sutra would also lose out on some good experiences courtesy a generic view of the Go Go bar owners community and fellow white skinned mongers.

I have always ensured the girls I have been with have a good time and its mutually pleasurable, whether the experience has been in the States, Macau, Thailand or elsewhere. And I am happy that I have rejected more girls than I have chosen. I guess its a case of being okay with the idea of spending and not look at the whole thing as drilling your dong in a hole for five minutes and get done with it, as also the fact that quality comes at a price and its the experience, not the act that matters.

Not afraid to call a spade a spade and the majority of Indian mongers in Thailand is something I would not like to be associated with as a friend or acquaintance. I know they are there to have probably the cheapest F*ck of their lives and the eternal kick of having screwed a foreigner or just to see nude girls gyrating in go go bars, go back to their hotel rooms and jerk off. I am happy to NOT belong to the herd and being Indian myself, would say that one has to cultivate the habit, grow up from being sex starved to such an extent that any female body would do and be okay to look at mongering in Thailand as an experience, not a quickie activity. Fortunately I was not so sex starved courtesy a great Girl friend, but for many others of my ilk the sexual frustration combined with keeping a tight grip on ones money results in unpleasant behavior all around. The majority defines the perception, but heck, so be it. The ratio of genuine players to suckers may be skewed, more in India than in other countries, but genuine good players do exist.

And thats the long and short of it.

Red Mosquito[/QUOTE]I do not think Indians are treated badly because of the reasons given above.

1. Many Indians cannot control themselves. They are loud and abnoxious irrespective of the locations. Even in the planes they talk in very loud tones irritating everybody. The reason maybe because with so much population Indians have lost respect for other human beings.

2. In India there is a definite ladder system in socio economic order. Upper ladder people treat lower ladder people very badly. So when they travel they think bars, bargirls can be treated as being from the lower rungs of the ladder. They do not even stop to think about the different way they have to behave in other countries cobtrary to how they behave in India.

Thai people always have respect for each other irrespective of poor or rich.

3. It is natural for any monger to look for cheapest way to have fun. It is not exclusive for Indians. You cannot take bargirls word for that. They change their talk according to what suits them.

If thai bar owners try to exclude all cheap charlies they would have no business. Do not know why Indians got the " Cheap charlie " name. Maybe because tourists from India long time ago could not compete with free spending American servicemen. Nowadays most Indians have money and will spend.

So bar owners really should not discriminite. They are loosing good business because there are plenty of Indians who are going to Thailand than before.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1289484]If you land after 12 then the city train is closed and you're forced to line up and be allocated a taxi to get in the city. I must have it a bad time when a heap of international flights had come in and had to wait 40 minutes. Not cool.[/QUOTE]I always arrange in advance to have one of the many Pattaya taxi companies pick me up at the airport. The cost is 1, 000 THB, and a driver is waving a sign with my name on it outside the arrival gates. 90 minutes later I'm at my hotel in Pattaya. Just google "Taxi Pattaya" and you'll find about 6 companies that provide this service. I've used it about 15 times so far, and it's always been fantastic. The drivers usually speak little or no English, but their boss has given them directions in Thai, so they know exactly where to take me. The cars are clean, comfortable, and safe.

But on my last return home from Pattaya to BKK in February, as I was waiting for my cab from the same company to pick me up at my hotel at 3:30 AM, they never showed up. When I called, they admitted that they had mistakenly written down the wrong date in their appointment book, and they didn't have a driver to send for me. YIKES. At 3:45 in the morning there were no cabs to be seen anywhere, but luckily one of the security guards from my hotel got on his motorbike and rode around town until he found a taxi-meter for me.

Next time I'll be certain to make arrangements with 2 cab companies to ensure that at least one shows up.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1289558]The extra cost one pays at Tuk. Com for a product made in America probably reflects the cutsom duties which must be paid here on imported goods.

It sucks![/QUOTE]The iPad is designed in America, but made in China. I ordered one directly from Apple in the US last Wednesday, and I've been tracking its progress from Chengdu, China to Guangzhou, China to Anchorage, Alaska to Memphis, Tennessee to Las Vegas. And it had to stop and clear customs in Anchorage just like humans do. I won't have to pay any duties or extra taxes when it arrives here tomorrow. You would think that they would have a similar setup for Thailand.

[QUOTE=Red Mosquito; 1289723]Hmm. Just saw some discussion happening around Indians and thought that as I am one from the country, might clarify the air a wee bit from my side. I have mongered reasonably extensively in Thailand and the ' uninitiated / first timer / miser / extremely low budget' Indian is someone who brings all of his ilk a bad name, but all fingers arent equal, and not everyone behaves in the same manner. I will tell the problems:

1. Most Indians come to Thailand as the tickets are really cheap and its foreign travel which is considered upmarket, at a price which beats the domestic airfares in some cases. I guess the going rate should be 300USD for a return trip to Suvarnabhumi from Delhi or so. When a person flying out of Country for the first time comes to a culturally different society like Thailand, (in India open sex is still a taboo, more so among the lower strata of the society as well as the medium rung- prostitution is banned and enforced much strongly unlike Thailand. Nudity is uncommon). When such a person comes across to Thailand he has a mental imagery of being in a harem where he will be handed over a Thai girl with Visa on arrival. A sex starved person with a hige erection wants to place his weenie in any hole thats available, things like quality and experience can go F*ck themself. Hence most Indians would prefer the cheapest, as long as she's a human. Too bad, but not everyone is well to do and they only want a F*ck, period.

2. I would say some 50-70% of Indian tourists could be small time shopkeepers who buy loads of Thai clothing, its very popular in India- the fit and finish and sizes suits the Asians much better than the Europeans. So there's this huge demand. When these shopkeepers operating on wafer thin margins come to Thailand, then all money for mongering is going from their miniscule profits, and then again- they swivel towards the cheapest available C*nt.

3. The most irritating aspect- Nude shows are non existent in India. Cabarets were once popular but largely extinct now. When you come from a society where nudity is a strict no no, you really want to have a good time ina place where its culturally acceptable. The Indians would head to go go bars, see nude girls gyrating on poles, would NOT pick any chick, go back to their rooms and jerk off in the memories of what they just saw. This means no business for bar owner, no ladies drinks, nothing. Just free crowd ogling at girls. Thus, Rainbow has perhaps restricted entry of Indians and its the case of a few rats bringing a bad name to everyone in the community. The bard would allow would allow the white skinned men even though they may not pick anyone, but they will not allow a loaded Indian. And yes, my fellow men are to be blamed for it. Its a business both ways right? You can't just go inside a bar to have a huge erection and then use your hand later to ease yourself off LOL. No money exchange, no business.

4. A combination of first timers and shopkeepers would rent rooms with twin occupancy and both men will stay in same room. Its stretching your money to the hilt, irritating hilt I shall say. When one guy gets a girl, the other will sit in the lobby or wait and then he will take the same girl or different girl and bang her. The bargain price for a girl where she is getting two men one after the other would be lower than her going to two different clients- she saves time this way. This is again looking at sex as a ten minute fetish one has to have to get rid of the tension in the loins, the face of the girl, experience, figure be damned.

Unfortunate as it may be, seasoned, accomplished and reasonable mongers from the land of the Kama Sutra would also lose out on some good experiences courtesy a generic view of the Go Go bar owners community and fellow white skinned mongers.

I have always ensured the girls I have been with have a good time and its mutually pleasurable, whether the experience has been in the States, Macau, Thailand or elsewhere. And I am happy that I have rejected more girls than I have chosen. I guess its a case of being okay with the idea of spending and not look at the whole thing as drilling your dong in a hole for five minutes and get done with it, as also the fact that quality comes at a price and its the experience, not the act that matters.

Not afraid to call a spade a spade and the majority of Indian mongers in Thailand is something I would not like to be associated with as a friend or acquaintance. I know they are there to have probably the cheapest F*ck of their lives and the eternal kick of having screwed a foreigner or just to see nude girls gyrating in go go bars, go back to their hotel rooms and jerk off. I am happy to NOT belong to the herd and being Indian myself, would say that one has to cultivate the habit, grow up from being sex starved to such an extent that any female body would do and be okay to look at mongering in Thailand as an experience, not a quickie activity. Fortunately I was not so sex starved courtesy a great Girl friend, but for many others of my ilk the sexual frustration combined with keeping a tight grip on ones money results in unpleasant behavior all around. The majority defines the perception, but heck, so be it. The ratio of genuine players to suckers may be skewed, more in India than in other countries, but genuine good players do exist.

And thats the long and short of it.

Red Mosquito[/QUOTE]Despite your adequate and reasonable explanation I bet someone will extrapalate this to thier narrow view point if thinking or xenophobia, you get wide spectrum of pepole in every community, yes some Indians are 'cheap charlies' because the why have been exposed to pverty and you can put it down to survival insinct, on other side of of coin I have seen some Europeans on beach road would put animal kingdom to shame

[QUOTE=David 2;1289756]The iPad is designed in America, but made in China. I ordered one directly from Apple in the US last Wednesday, and I've been tracking its progress from Chengdu, China to Guangzhou, China to Anchorage, Alaska to Memphis, Tennessee to Las Vegas. And it had to stop and clear customs in Anchorage just like humans do. I won't have to pay any duties or extra taxes when it arrives here tomorrow. You would think that they would have a similar setup for Thailand.[/QUOTE]Some are selling "all duties paid", ie delivered to your door with import duties pre-paid, and someare selling "free customs depot", ie import duties not paid. Thre is no way a commercial shipment escapes the customs when borders are crossed, unless it is a sample of small value.

Does anyone think that governments are letting tons of goods into their countries free of any duty? Dreamers!

[QUOTE=Red Mosquito; 1289723]Hmm. Just saw some discussion happening around Indians and thought that as I am one from the country, might clarify the air a wee bit from my side. I have mongered reasonably extensively in Thailand and the ' uninitiated / first timer / miser / extremely low budget' Indian is someone who brings all of his ilk a bad name, but all fingers arent equal, and not everyone behaves in the same manner. I will tell the problems: (___) And thats the long and short of it.

Red Mosquito[/QUOTE]All very well and neatly said!

Coming also from an involved party shows that the "issue" is not ignored and quite evident. Well done! And now. Hat about telling us the address of that MP XY where Miss YZ does fantastic *§§ jobs at a reasonably price and the telephone number ends by 6969 and. And. And. !

Just kidding, man. Take care and happy mongering

[quote=sammon; 1289745]i do not think indians are treated badly because of the reasons given above.

1. many indians cannot control themselves. they are loud and abnoxious irrespective of the locations. even in the planes they talk in very loud tones irritating everybody. the reason maybe because with so much population indians have lost respect for other human beings.

2. in india there is a definite ladder system in socio economic order. upper ladder people treat lower ladder people very badly. so when they travel they think bars, bargirls can be treated as being from the lower rungs of the ladder. they do not even stop to think about the different way they have to behave in other countries cobtrary to how they behave in india.

thai people always have respect for each other irrespective of poor or rich.

3. it is natural for any monger to look for cheapest way to have fun. it is not exclusive for indians. you cannot take bargirls word for that. they change their talk according to what suits them.

if thai bar owners try to exclude all cheap charlies they would have no business. do not know why indians got the " cheap charlie " name. maybe because tourists from india long time ago could not compete with free spending american servicemen. nowadays most indians have money and will spend.

so bar owners really should not discriminite. they are loosing good business because there are plenty of indians who are going to thailand than before.[/quote]hi man,

i agree to your responses to an extent but wouldn't relate them in totality to indians' mongering habits.

point 1- yes, many times when i am headed to bkok in thai airways flight i find loud and irritating fellowmen talking to each other in loud volume. this may be a bad trait per se but i don't think that this shall make them not cross the entry gate in go go bard, where anyhow the music is so loud. lol.

point 2-the indians would treat bar girl and bars as lower down the order. (trust me i don't think they dare to, the thai currency has 74% higher valuation than indian rupee) , couple it with the concept of being in a foreign land- i don't think they will take such liberties to show anyone down.

point 3-i agree its natural for anyone to find cheapest mongering. but not to the extent of closing eyes to experience and only wanting a 'female' per se, however ugly she looks. so there's a difference.

most indians would be in thailand owing to whole business trips of importing clothes wholesale to india, or on budget foreign trips. the ones with immense money would probably plan a vacation in europe or some exquisite place like vegas / hawaii.

since the whole middle / bottom rung crowd of india, mostly unpolished, sex starved at that is something thats coming to thailand, we may be getting a skewed picture of indians in thailand per se.

so i agree to your points in generic tone, but couldn't relate them to how it affects an indian's mongering sensibilities.

cheers.

red mosquito

[QUOTE=Pagal Chacha;1289760]Despite your adequate and reasonable explanation I bet someone will extrapalate this to thier narrow view point if thinking or xenophobia, you get wide spectrum of pepole in every community, yes some Indians are 'cheap charlies' because the why have been exposed to pverty and you can put it down to survival insinct, on other side of of coin I have seen some Europeans on beach road would put animal kingdom to shame[/QUOTE]I agree Chachaji,

Though I was just trying to be brutally frank and brusque on the issue despite of myself being an Indian, I suspect that it may lead to some fellow mongers strengthening their contrived notions about Indians which I thought of as an after thought but then, thought of letting go.

I fully agree on your point of their being cheap charlies in India and in Europe and in US- essentially boils down to what you want to do with your money or how much do you want to stretch your last cent, at the risk of being irritatingly miser in world view.

Its just that the pie of Indians who are thronging Bangkok may not represent the suave, polished, decent, well heeled mongers with good etiquettes and that reflects in their overalll behaviour here and thus creates prejudice. Almost all the Indians I have got a chance to speak to while boarding a flight to Bangkok are small time traders of Palika Bazaar or Ghaffar Market in Delhi who want to keep the expenses minimum and are reasonably unabashed about it and thus end up getting projected as cheapter rowdies.

A very good article on Indians in Thailand which I came across recently, not related to their mongering escapades though. Very well written, and truthful. :

[url]http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/art-culture/kill-the-indian-first[/url]

Keep buzzing.

Red mosquito

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1289745]If thai bar owners try to exclude all cheap charlies they would have no business. Do not know why Indians got the " Cheap charlie " name. Maybe because tourists from India long time ago could not compete with free spending American servicemen. Nowadays most Indians have money and will spend.

So bar owners really should not discriminite. They are loosing good business because there are plenty of Indians who are going to Thailand than before.[/QUOTE]I don't think that that there was ever a mass indian tourist market until now apart from traders and businessmen. It's only in the last 10 years or so has there been a wealthy middle class there.

Bar owners do have a right to discriminate because they are running a business. How long would a bar survive if its clientele brought a beer to share amongst a group of 5 drinking out of straws? The beef is that they can't discriminate wisely and do so wholly on race alone. Maybe if there was a modest entry fee which included a drink then this would sort out the wheat from the chaff.

I was wandering along BR tonight before the thunderstorm broke out and saw a well heeled middle-aged indian couple trying to conclude a deal with a FL there. It's good to know some Indians are up for a little Pattaya style experimentation to spice up their marriage