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[QUOTE=Gunners1;1918520]Hello Dg,

Spot on. Expired school ID it is.

I will check with the hotel concierge. The pictures are too hot to pass. She says she works for BS mobile.

Anyway. Will keep you all posted on the progress. I think I will take a chance if my hotel reception and security clear her.

Thanks a lot again.

G.[/QUOTE]For whatever it is worth, no matter what always have funds available for resolution fees. Remember resolution fees are always the lowest at the lowest resolution levels. Do not escalate it.

[QUOTE=Vitaplex;1918571] Then she suddenly asks me (well I knew she was a student a a UNI in Makati) for approx 40 k php for a tuition fee she was changing from UNI and into a culinary study. I declined her requests (I never send money and only pay for service rendered but I do call it gifting) and from there things went sour. She got mad and accused me of fucking her despite she was only 17 y and she would alert the PNP. Then I told her "dear you remember I do have pics of your passport which states you were 19 y when we met?" Then she hanged up, blocked me and was never to be seen or heard from ever again (fine by me). She probably did this quite a few times to test for gullible victims but in all the commotion / desperation for tuition money (or whatever).[/QUOTE]"Or whatever" may be the key words here. Some recent allusion to picking up students should (IMHO) be viewed with some skepticism. Scoring a nubile young student makes a great fantasy for an older foreigner, but Pinays for hire are clever enough to know that as well. If you were in her shoes and knew a few details about some local university from an acquaintance who had attended it, wouldn't you try to sell yourself as a university student? Savvy expats may know to ask the right questions to sniff the situation out, but most sex warriors don't know enough about the lay of the Philippine university landscape (no pun intended) to put the lie to the charade.

I once pulled a very attractive 22 year old out of LA Cafe who claimed to attend a fashion design program in a Makati university. Her mother had married a yank, lived in California, and sent remittances to her. But they weren't enough to cover her college costs. So she pulled tricks out of LAC to make up the difference. Or so she said. I later learned that I was one of at least four tricks she pulled from LAC that night. A few months later I saw her in a Trike Patrol video that had been made several months prior to my hookup with her. (There's some foundation for my decision always to wear condoms in these waters.) It's possible everything she told me was true, but taken all together, the circumstances strain the credibility of her account about being a student. I suspect there are numerous others like her. Just because many of these women are not well-educated doesn't mean they're stupid, incapable of putting on an act, and unable to learn from each other. They have a lot more time commitment to this profession than we do. Also, what passes for a "university" in the story of a p4 p Filipina may often be little more than a three to six month trade school. So much for the "student" fantasy.

I think Vitaplex and RK nailed the correct bottom line in this debated situation: a young Pinay with no ID or an expired one is not worth the risk, especially considering how many other readily available fish there are in the local seas.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1918647]Remember resolution fees are always the lowest at the lowest resolution levels. Do not escalate it.[/QUOTE]A few years ago, staying at Eurotel by Robinson's Malate, I had a wonderful pimpette, she seemed to have an endless supply of young cuties. She txt that she had this afternoon's fun, ready to go in Robinson's, second floor McDo. Upon entering and sitting with the two of them, the girl was attractive, young, and had: golden colored hair. Off we went across the street. The girl was nervous in the room, and chatty. Finally we got down to biz. She got her clothes off and I snapped a few pics, when suddenly she bolted off the bed, grabbed her clothes, and ran into the CR. She came out fully dressed and asked to leave. She was clearly too nervous to go on. I offered her half the agreed-upon amount. She said "Thank you" and I walked her to the street. I txt the pimpette that the girl could not consummate. I ran into the pimpette by accident, an hour later, as I was departing Robinson's grocery store in the mall. She asked what happened to the girl, and I told her. She asked how much I gave the girl and I told her. "But what about my commiss". She stopped. We were interrupted by an older lady, walking right towards us, wagging her finger at the pimpette, her words loud. People stopped to watch. The older gal chewed on the pimpette for a minute, wagging her finger, and occasionally looking at me. Finally I held my hand up, between her face and mine, which silenced her. I asked the pimpette what was happening. "This the mother of the girl. She angry to me. She did not know till now that I give the girl to foreigner. She want a consideration". Oh. To end this mess, I asked the mother: What consideration do you want? She stopped to think, put her hand in her pocket and pulled out several coins and then put them back. "Two hundred". Um, pesos? "Yes. Two hundred". Oh my! I pulled out a 500-note and handed it to her. Get your daughter some dinner with this. She smiled, as if the thing had resolved itself, and said: "Really? Salamat!" And with that, the mother grabbed the pimpette by the arm and dragged her towards the Starbucks. I turned heel and hoofed it out the nearby Adriatico entrance, turning right and phast-footing it out of there. 200 pesos!

A few hours later in the evening, passing G-Point, I saw the pimpette sitting in Jolibee. I walked in and *had* to ask what happened with the mother. "She make me give 500". Really. So the girl got half, the mother got 700, you don't get any commission, and the girl did not have to perform. Right? "Well, yes". Boy, we showed THEM!

Dodged a bullet for p200. In the words of DG8: Do *not* escalate!

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1918653]"Or whatever" may be the key words here. Some recent allusion to picking up students should (IMHO) be viewed with some skepticism. Scoring a nubile young student makes a great fantasy for an older foreigner, but Pinays for hire are clever enough to know that as well. If you were in her shoes and knew a few details about some local university from an acquaintance who had attended it, wouldn't you try to sell yourself as a university student? Savvy expats may know to ask the right questions to sniff the situation out, but most sex warriors don't know enough about the lay of the Philippine university landscape (no pun intended) to put the lie to the charade.

I once pulled a very attractive 22 year old out of LA Cafe who claimed to attend a fashion design program in a Makati university. Her mother had married a yank, lived in California, and sent remittances to her. But they weren't enough to cover her college costs. So she pulled tricks out of LAC to make up the difference. Or so she said. I later learned that I was one of at least four tricks she pulled from LAC that night. A few months later I saw her in a Trike Patrol video that had been made several months prior to my hookup with her. (There's some foundation for my decision always to wear condoms in these waters.) It's possible everything she told me was true, but taken all together, the circumstances strain the credibility of her account about being a student. I suspect there are numerous others like her. Just because many of these women are not well-educated doesn't mean they're stupid, incapable of putting on an act, and unable to learn from each other. They have a lot more time commitment to this profession than we do. Also, what passes for a "university" in the story of a p4 p Filipina may often be little more than a three to six month trade school. So much for the "student" fantasy.

I think Vitaplex and RK nailed the correct bottom line in this debated situation: a young Pinay with no ID or an expired one is not worth the risk, especially considering how many other readily available fish there are in the local seas.[/QUOTE]Hey SS you need to be careful about flinging all those accusations around. 1) When my girls turn up in their garb & ask me to help them complete their assignments before we play, I'm pretty darn sure they're legit. 2) Some cross over back & forth between sex worker & straight world. This happens all over the world.

AV.

I am not sure if it is this way in the Philippines, but in Thailand it is common for a girl to state her age (19) but really mean "I am 18 going on 19. " It is not necessarily a deception as much as it is a difference in culture, I believe. I have spoken to a few Filipinas who seem to have responded in the same way. Be careful!

Just because the gogo girl says she is 19, and Mamasan says she is 19, and her "ID" says she is 19, doesn't mean she is 19. Be VERY careful! Go for girls in the mid-upper 20's, they are better in bed anyway.

[QUOTE=Amavida;1918665]Hey SS you need to be careful about flinging all those accusations around. 1) When my girls turn up in their garb & ask me to help them complete their assignments before we play, I'm pretty darn sure they're legit. 2) Some cross over back & forth between sex worker & straight world. This happens all over the world. AV.[/QUOTE]I tried to offer skepticism, not accusations. I'm sorry if I missed the mark and you thought it was personal.

But how about offering a field report? Even us less-experienced and less Philippine-savvy sex warriors might benefit from some specifics about how you've done it. I think us sex warriors are unlikely to have the time or connections to usurp the particular inside channels with the girls you've been with, but it could be educational to see how it's done--and for us sex hounds there's also prurient value in the stories, no?

What subject matter did the girl want tutoring in? How did you help her? How did she tell you that she managed the two sides of her life? How did she describe hiding the SW activity from other students and from family? If you hookup with a De La Salle coed, for example, where and how would you meet her? Ditto from UP Diliman? I have seen what appeared to be student eating and coffee hangouts near some of these campuses, but I couldn't for the life of me figure out how I could approach one of the young ladies without embarrassing her badly in front of her friends. So, I'm asking a lot of details here, maybe too many, but a few specifics about what has worked for you could be helpful to others of us.

Fake I the cards are as common as street litter in the Philippines. As suggested by RK, a passport is the only one that's likely, if not necessarily, to be authentic. Go down to Colon in Cebu and observe the guys openly counterfeit every imaginable official government stamp. Never meet a girl in your room. Always in the lobby, or better yet, outside. If an [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girl has even been having a soft drink and watching TV in your room, you are putting yourself at risk.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;1918783]I am not sure if it is this way in the Philippines, but in Thailand it is common for a girl to state her age (19) but really mean "I am 18 going on 19. " It is not necessarily a deception as much as it is a difference in culture, I believe. I have spoken to a few Filipinas who seem to have responded in the same way. Be careful!

Just because the gogo girl says she is 19, and Mamasan says she is 19, and her "ID" says she is 19, doesn't mean she is 19. Be VERY careful! Go for girls in the mid-upper 20's, they are better in bed anyway.[/QUOTE]Always ask if she is "running" 19 as this is how they thinks. As SP notes 19 could mean 18 unless you ask a specific question. I have learnt over many years to ask "are you running 19 etc or are you 19".

Clarifies things fast.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1918828]What subject matter did the girl want tutoring in? How did you help her? How did she tell you that she managed the two sides of her life? How did she describe hiding the SW activity from other students and from family? If you hookup with a De La Salle coed, for example, where and how would you meet her? Ditto from UP Diliman? I have seen what appeared to be student eating and coffee hangouts near some of these campuses, but I couldn't for the life of me figure out how I could approach one of the young ladies without embarrassing her badly in front of her friends. So, I'm asking a lot of details here, maybe too many, but a few specifics about what has worked for you could be helpful to others of us.[/QUOTE]I have had the same experiences as Amavida. I help them with class work (some it is truly very basic. Refer to many FRs on the standard of Philippine education especially HRM) regardless of subject. Many have no feel for numbers apart from the size of your dick LOL so any doing anything that requires basic (and I mean basic) accounts etc is a favorite (I did a quick trial balance for a cutie 2 days ago took 5 minutes and was all laid out in her school books but she could not understand the book either). Also helped in preparing "reactions" to various articles etc. This is cutie has to comment on and show some intelligence around a subject such as climate change.

The girls try to avoid being seen in places where there friends play so coming to your side of town / your hotel is no issues for them. Once I get to know them I soon find out which of her friends also paly away and that has benefits for me.

I sit around my office (a coffee shop) and watch, smile as many are looking also for some fee assistance. If a uni cutie is walking around Ayala in Cebu for example in heels greater than 1-2" for sure she is on the look out as heels higher than 1" (mainly) are banned in schools. You don't need to do too much but being nice, looking nice (reasonably well groomed), smelling good etc are helpful (although some I have seen think this is not important!

You need to be flexible and adaptable as you are right they don't want to be seen chasing foreigners in front of friends some of whom are very conservative and all love chismis (gossip). But with time you can spot the ones looking and get a sixth sense IMHO of those keen. Then you need to find a way to get them away from the 'pack'.

Always meet the girls in coffee shops or my hotel. If the latter it is fairly clear IMHO what will happen (tell them to bring a bikini for example), Meeting places is never an issue and I go with the flow as she will tell me where she prefers (I have one who always meets me in the hotel-straight to room- as lots of friends in the Ayala area, so sometimes I take her to Mactan which is a pain for traffic but worth the effort LOL).

So many ways to skin the same cat yet so little time is the problem fro many guys.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1918828]So, I'm asking a lot of details here, maybe too many, but a few specifics about what has worked for you could be helpful to others of us.[/QUOTE]Mr Amavida can speak or not for himself, but I'm sure no middle-aged or old guy regularly finds success on the spot approaching that gaggle of beautiful uniformed 19-year olds in a mall food court. Time is money holds true. We can either spend big money and get fast, hot service, or we can spend long periods of preparation and pursuit, or anywhere along that continuum. Some of the most promiscuous members get to know our bedmates a bit, getting introduced to more bedmates. In time (which most visitors lack), referrals blossom into an endless and reliable supply. I most like the method of just meeting as many ordinary beautiful women as possible in daily life, discretely but clearly communicate what I'd like to do with her, keep friendly communication, and over time the odds just work out again to endless (but less predictable) enjoyment. Purely for self-amusement I could try guessing which forum members use which method, but I'll bet all long-termers use one or both of them. Short-term visits are a completely different situation. Success to all.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1918828]I tried to offer skepticism, not accusations. I'm sorry if I missed the mark and you thought it was personal.

But how about offering a field report? Even us less-experienced and less Philippine-savvy sex warriors might benefit from some specifics about how you've done it. I think us sex warriors are unlikely to have the time or connections to usurp the particular inside channels with the girls you've been with, but it could be educational to see how it's done--and for us sex hounds there's also prurient value in the stories, no?

What subject matter did the girl want tutoring in? How did you help her? How did she tell you that she managed the two sides of her life? How did she describe hiding the SW activity from other students and from family? If you hookup with a De La Salle coed, for example, where and how would you meet her? Ditto from UP Diliman? I have seen what appeared to be student eating and coffee hangouts near some of these campuses, but I couldn't for the life of me figure out how I could approach one of the young ladies without embarrassing her badly in front of her friends. So, I'm asking a lot of details here, maybe too many, but a few specifics about what has worked for you could be helpful to others of us.[/QUOTE]SP apologises if I misunderstood your intent. It's all part of the rough & tumble of forum discussions. I post erratically because I'm shooting from the hip from my phone whilst busy. Let's take it back to basics: it's a poor country & overpopulated. There's lots of girls wanting to exchange fun for peso's. These range from dirt poor province girls through to students & up to working girls. Higher society & professional women engage foreigners for non monetary reasons.

Q) Don't these pretty girls have handsome boyfriends?

A) Yes they do. They may be socially constrained in what they can do with these BF's & in any event the boys often have no manners & no money.

Q) Don't these girls prefer their own age?

A) Yes they do but see previous & Filipinos are very gregarious in any event. When we step off the plane we all have great 'pesonality' whether we are gwapo or not.

Q) Don't people notice older men with younger women?

A) Of course they do. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] / sugar daddy couples are common in Asia. Often a girl will be congratulated rather than castigated. Provided decorum is observed. The higher up the socio economic scale you go the more choosy the woman.

Q) Is there a student scene & can I get into it. If so how.

A) Yes. Yes. Students like foreigner BF's who visit intermittently so long as the guy is reliable in helping with tuition etc. Those of us here long term find supporting students mutually beneficial. These girls are classier than farm girls & more sexually adventurous. Most importantly. They not chasing marriage. Find students on dating sites / social media & instant messaging apps.

Sorry don't have time for more right now. Keep asking questions.

AV.

Seems more appropriate here, as opposed to the AC thread.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1919423]However the relationship starts, that is how it has to continue. So if you choose to set the tone with money then you will have to keep the money coming. [/QUOTE]I think you are very correct. While you yourself don't plan to let your relationship become money-based, that is not the norm. Almost all marriages are money-dependant, with one partner supplying the bread (or alternately, much more of the bread), and that would normally be the male. In few marriages around the world does either of the following occur:

1) both parties supply the bread approximately equally, or.

2) the female supplies most of the bread.

While both parties work in many marriages, the man will make the lion's share of the money (for a variety or reasons, which is not important for this discussion). Women don't typically marry a man that she thinks can't take care of her financially (unless her parents are making the decision, and when they make the decision, they also don't choose a mate for their daughter who can't take care of her). Most relationships start out as infatuation, progress to love, then marriage. Your concept that a relationship should continue in the same way it starts is egalitarian, but not the way relationships go (they grow, move in different directions, and change). Nothing makes that point like the pinoy cultural commitment to love-marriage-family-old-age. At some point in there, *somebody* must financially take care of the other person (s).

Marriage laws require financial commitment, even after a marriage ends. As most marriage relationships are defined by a man providing for a woman (and possibly offspring), and the woman being societally charged with being his only sexual partner, I ask again: How is that not prostitution? I realize this might be an uncomfortable topic.

I'm taking my first trip to the Philippines early next year.

I was wondering if anyone had budget recommendations? Do far I'm going for 10 days and was going to budget 200 USD per day. I wasn't sure if this was reasonable enough to have a great time.

[QUOTE=Halifax2016;1919456]I'm taking my first trip to the Philippines early next year.

I was wondering if anyone had budget recommendations? Do far I'm going for 10 days and was going to budget 200 USD per day. I wasn't sure if this was reasonable enough to have a great time.[/QUOTE]Is that $200 for everything (excluding travel to / from phils), food / drink, lodging, girls (which can also include the girl's food / drink), and possibly girl's travel to you?

Also, where will you be staying -- Manila, Cebu, AC, province (makes a difference in costs of foods, hotel, girls)? What kind of lodging do you prefer -- luxury ($150+), average ($80-ish), lowbrow / pennsione ($30-ish)? If you want luxury lodging, after food you will have nothing to spend on girls. Are you a big drinker (booze ads up in bars)?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1919772]Is that $200 for everything (excluding travel to / from phils), food / drink, lodging, girls (which can also include the girl's food / drink), and possibly girl's travel to you?

Also, where will you be staying -- Manila, Cebu, AC, province (makes a difference in costs of foods, hotel, girls)? What kind of lodging do you prefer -- luxury ($150+), average ($80-ish), lowbrow / pennsione ($30-ish)? If you want luxury lodging, after food you will have nothing to spend on girls. Are you a big drinker (booze ads up in bars)?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. Sorry I should have been more thorough.

I will be staying in AC. I would prefer average accommodations. The 200 USD daily I theorized was for everything including girls. I figured I might be way off.

I just got out of the service so I'm looking to have a really great time especially with food and girls. I am a very light drinker, a beer here or there (maybe 1-2 a day) and that's it.

I can increase my budget. How high do you suggest? Are the lower ends accommodations worth the savings? Is 10 days too long for a first time trip? I will be traveling from the East Coast USA. I'm looking to indulge in the girls.

Thanks again for the help.