Monterrey

The entire "Waiter" thing in Monterrey is nothing but a drag on the entire scene.

Why do the waiters have any frickin' expectation whatsoever to participate in what money the girls generate?

The more money the girls extract from us in drinks, the higher the waiter's tip is with respect to their overall compensation. That is fair compensation because the waiter has to bring the drinks...fair compensation.

So, what benefit is attributable to the waiter if she is doing her job, and the customer spends wildly on her? Where was the waiter's influence??? Does management believe the waiter is responsible??? Does management really believe that we respond to their pain-in-the-ass antics at trying to get us to buy them more drinks? And if so, why aren't the proportionate tips not enough??? Why do the waiters have some kind of entitlement from the girls?

This is another f**cked up aspect of the Mexico P4P/club scene here in Monterrey. Again, somebody explain management's logic to me...



[QUOTE=Amigomio]I never talked about that cause I was so use to that system that I neglect it.

Yes, some waiters demand a cut off the drink commision from the girls and sometimes an all-around figure for what the customer drops on girls privados, etc.

That means that you Wasted, being a good customer to the Infinito, can cost the girls some money off their purses.

Notice some girls just ignore the waiters or sometimes ask another waiter different from the one carrying the tab for a drink???
It's easier for the girl at the Infi to ignore the waiters, but at the regular SCs it is virtualy an obligation to give the waiter an extra asides from the tip he gets, if the customer is good.[/QUOTE]

Bob, let's not 'analyze'. Let's just create the list.

You're not going to fix the system. We will create a list for other mongers. Simple.

Wasted

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]This is another f**cked up aspect of the Mexico P4P/club scene here in Monterrey. Again, somebody explain management's logic to me...[/QUOTE]

It would seem to me that these waiters, working every single day in the presence of these girls, would have so much more direct knowledge of their popularity and appeal, that their knowing our assessment of the girls would be almost meaningless to them.

I mean, if in fact they actually have that kind of access to them day in and day out, which they obviously do, it would seem to me that the quality of various girls would be common knowledge among them.

On the other hand, I agree that the girls here in Monterrey do seem to avoid the notoriety that one would othewise assume would be naturally sought by them to promote their businesses, but that does not seem to be the case.

I've also witnessed that the girls do not like the notoriety of having a "reputation," not only among waiters, but even among patrons, even when one would assume that they, as hos, have nothing what-so-ever to hide, and that their natural desire would be to build a reputation of decadence.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]and it is not an every-day event that Wasted lets his upper head do the thinking ...

So as I was saying, I was think we should create a "What NOT to do" list. You know, just like we list clubs, hotels, costs, events ... etc. I though we would put our heads together and create a list of things you should not do while mongering in glorious Monterrey. For example, and we can say this is my input to get you guys going:

A few trips back, I decided to go for a hot girl that I had my eyes one for a while. So I romance her and ended taking her out for the night. When I was in the club the next day, one waiter asked how the girl was .... with a grin on his face. I thought he cared about me. ha. I proudly said she was hot. Very hot.

The girl did not like that and told me to never say that. I asked why the hell not? What do you care? Or as a matter of fact, don't you ‘want’ to be known as a hot girl? NOPE. The girls do not like that because those mof’o waiters, including the managers, maybe especially the managers, want to know which girls are hot so they can ..... those mofo’s .... so they can go after the girls themselves. They WANT to know of the hot girls. Those mofo’s use us to gage out the talent. I already knew that the girls date the waiters, the security guards and the washroom boys. But I never thought they would use me to find out which girls they should go after. Shit. They are worse than that Mastermind dude.

Never reveal intimate or personal info about the girls to the waiters. Or about yourself.

Carlos, why don't you tell us about how those waiters also expect a cut from the girls when you ask them to bring her to you?

Next time, I will talk about pre-paying the girls.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

Ok, first thing on the list...

If you find a girl you like here in Monterrey, disclose nothing about her specifically. Realize that to promote her to others is to shorten her relatively short life span in the clubs. The girls have a shelf life, and their relative superior performance is directly related to their freshness for you. If you want to wear them out, promote them to every monger that comes along.

Now, you guys post #2, #3, #4, etc...

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Bob, let's not 'analyze'. Let's just create the list.

You're not going to fix the system. We will create a list for other mongers. Simple.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

#4 - Do not pre-pay the girl or lend her money.

I do not mean as you arrange with the club. No. I mean if the girl asks you to pay her privately. On the side. Before she delivers. Kiss your money goodbye.

If you are new to the club, the club may ask you to pay them on behalf of the girl before you two leave and this OKl. Otherwise, you are expected to pay her after you’re done with her. Of course I am talking about taking her back with you.

But for the privados, the norm is to pay the girl while in the booth. Some will ask you to pay upfront if they do not know you. And yes, they will get you change. But the norm is to pay them before you exit the privados.

Now if the girl asks you lend her money, that's a different story. She is either very close to you or she's playing you for a fool. Either way, that is money gone. You will never get it back.

For those of you who are wondering if I am speaking from firsthand experience, yes I am. Such knowledge does not come free. But not to worry. Wasted got his money's worht back ... in folds.

HOWEVER, never attempt to withhold payment. You will be risking a broken jaw or a couple of ribs. Not worth it at all.

Wasted

#5 - Say no to drugs.

imagine getting caught in a sex club by the Mexican Federally with drugs in your position... can you imagine? No you can not.

the local newspaper had photos of the girls coming down the stage as the club was raided. I witnessed the officers frisk the entire club staff and every single customer. They had each one stand up and empty their pockets. Other officers walked the club looking on the floor for any dumped drugs. Lights were on for the first time ever. Officers were eyeing each and every customer. Female officers raided the girls’ lockers. Then walked out empty handed.

Now imagine YOU carrying drugs. You will be made an example of. You will be their drug raid fruit. You will be famous ... for three days and then you're a goner.

I also witnessed police on bike stop dudes on t he sidewalk. Same routine. Empty your pockets and full search.

I was told I should not even carry the blue pill. Even though it is sold in pharmacies without prescription. I don't know but Carlos insisted.

Wasted

Yes, I agree, this is part of the vicious circle... again do not try to analize something that is ingrained in the system.



[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Bob, let's not 'analyze'. Let's just create the list.

You're not going to fix the system. We will create a list for other mongers. Simple.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Yes, I agree, this is part of the vicious circle... again do not try to analize something that is ingrained in the system.[/QUOTE]


You run away from explaining the system, one that were we to understand it better, might benefit us all collectively in formulating our strategies. But, more accurately, I believe you avoid explanation of the issue because the concept of having TEN times the number of waiters for every girl in the bar here in Monterrey defies any reasonable explanation.

Running away from these realities doesn't create a better understanding, or develop one's game with any precision. The Elephant in the living room is still an Elephant in the living room whether you ignore it or not.

I am not trying to be confrontational, but merely pointing out that the Mexico model is unique in the World and does not serve our game well.

We were bringing up recommendations were we not??? Do and don'ts, right? Certainly, there are a million "dos and dont's" that involve this plethera of waiters in the bars. Lets touch on the dos and don'ts concerning waiters. Be back later to see what you have contributed with respect to recommendations concerning the handling of this problem unique to the Mexico venue.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]
I was told I should not even carry the blue pill. Even though it is sold in pharmacies without prescription. I don't know but Carlos insisted.

Wasted[/QUOTE]Hello gentlemans,

the blue pill is legal in Mexico without prescription, you can go to any pharmacy and buy it for around 125.00 pesos in 50 grams or 100 grams.

You can also get levitra and cialis; Cialis is a little bit more expensive, the cheper I got it is 137.00 pesos and yo can buy any of them legaly.

HEB, Walmart, Soriana or any of the pharmacys.

Be safe

I can't explain the system... the system is the system, the same way the house is geared to always win.

I don't care what goes on behind the bar as long as it doesn't hurt my wallet.
It is something that doesn't concern us customers.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]You run away from explaining the system, one that were we to understand it better, might benefit us all collectively in formulating our strategies. But, more accurately, I believe you avoid explanation of the issue because the concept of having TEN times the number of waiters for every girl in the bar here in Monterrey defies any reasonable explanation.

Running away from these realities doesn't create a better understanding, or develop one's game with any precision. The Elephant in the living room is still an Elephant in the living room whether you ignore it or not.

I am not trying to be confrontational, but merely pointing out that the Mexico model is unique in the World and does not serve our game well.

We were bringing up recommendations were we not??? Do and don'ts, right? Certainly, there are a million "dos and dont's" that involve this plethera of waiters in the bars. Lets touch on the dos and don'ts concerning waiters. Be back later to see what you have contributed with respect to recommendations concerning the handling of this problem unique to the Mexico venue.[/QUOTE]

I will be back in Monterrey after several months away. Infinto worked well last time and I will probably try again. Thank you for the valuable ibformation and especially Carlos for his insight. I will report on my findings.

And if you have any extra questions, please ask them....
Be gald to help.

[QUOTE=Maxout]I will be back in Monterrey after several months away. Infinto worked well last time and I will probably try again. Thank you for the valuable ibformation and especially Carlos for his insight. I will report on my findings.[/QUOTE]

Was at Infinito tonight and had a great time. A very friendly environment. Struck up converstations with several locals. My spanish is not good, so the communication was difficult, but everyone was friendly. There was one girl I would rate a 9, two girls I would call an 8 and one or two 7's all of the others in the 4-6 range. One of the 7's, I can not remember her name (but a reasonably cute blonde), convinced me for a Privado. She pushed me hard for a hotel date at a very high price, but I declined. Privado dances were nothing special which convinced me even more not to pursue the hotel option.

I had my eye on a very cute little brunette named Barbie (the 9). She was very busy with Privados and hard to get to before someone else jumped in. During a short down time between Privados I approached her. She was one of the few girls in the bar that actually smiled and gave me a very sweet kiss on the cheek. Despite being constantly pulled into Privados, she had a very nice and fesh demeanor. I asked her for a Privado and I was not dissapointed. She was not pushy at all, never tried to upsell (I had to ask her), and when I tried to tip her 50 pesos extra after the session she gave it back and my spanish was not good enough to explain.

In summary, a great time at reasonable rates with a very beautiful. I think some of the locals even got a kick out of watching me try to navigate my was around the club with very little spanish skills.

Two thumbs up!

Barbie??? you are the first to talk good of her.
Well, many are dissapointed cause she doesn't do salidas....

Anyway.... if you want to barfine a girl, pay her salida, the cost is 350 pesos for the barfine and 1000 pesos tops for the girl.

No more hassel than that.

I'll be around the Infinito early tonight.... right in between the change of shifts.




[QUOTE=Maxout]Was at Infinito tonight and had a great time. A very friendly environment. Struck up converstations with several locals. My spanish is not good, so the communication was difficult, but everyone was friendly. There was one girl I would rate a 9, two girls I would call an 8 and one or two 7's all of the others in the 4-6 range. One of the 7's, I can not remember her name (but a reasonably cute blonde), convinced me for a Privado. She pushed me hard for a hotel date at a very high price, but I declined. Privado dances were nothing special which convinced me even more not to pursue the hotel option.

I had my eye on a very cute little brunette named Barbie (the 9). She was very busy with Privados and hard to get to before someone else jumped in. During a short down time between Privados I approached her. She was one of the few girls in the bar that actually smiled and gave me a very sweet kiss on the cheek. Despite being constantly pulled into Privados, she had a very nice and fesh demeanor. I asked her for a Privado and I was not dissapointed. She was not pushy at all, never tried to upsell (I had to ask her), and when I tried to tip her 50 pesos extra after the session she gave it back and my spanish was not good enough to explain.

In summary, a great time at reasonable rates with a very beautiful. I think some of the locals even got a kick out of watching me try to navigate my was around the club with very little spanish skills.

Two thumbs up![/QUOTE]

I went back to Infinito again last nite. Sorry I missed you Amigomio, but was not able to get there until 11 pm. I hope to see you on my next trip.

Had another Privado with Barbie. I was tired and we did not have same chemistry as the nite before, but still an enjoyable time. I would reccomend her.

The staff and crowd were friendly. I look forward to returning soon.

Max