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[QUOTE=BrockStar;1766268]Agreed! Although a Mongolian / Russian does sound delicious, $2500 is way too much. The walk up / brothel scene in Kowloon is a no brainier IMO. About 10 days ago I had a cute mainland gal at a Soy street brothel for just $380, hell I could've taken all 5 of the girls they showed and still not racked up a bill for $2500![/QUOTE]For sure, so much talent and opportunity there. I had a (relatively) early flight home to the US on my departure date, so the night before rather than go back to Wan Chai I took a walk up to a place on Shanghai Street and had a lovely time. I was turned away by the first door I knocked on (which was a first for me at a walkup), I declined the 2nd, but the 3rd time was the charm. Completely lovely little spinner who was enthusiastic and wonderful, all for 400 (plus 50 tip because I liked her so much!)

[QUOTE=BrockStar;1766268]Agreed! Although a Mongolian / Russian does sound delicious, $2500 is way too much. The walk up / brothel scene in Kowloon is a no brainier IMO. About 10 days ago I had a cute mainland gal at a Soy street brothel for just $380, hell I could've taken all 5 of the girls they showed and still not racked up a bill for $2500![/QUOTE]It makes you think, 141 girls or walk-ups around Mongkok, or K pressure etc. 2500 for a short time Wanchai girl, that's 6 separate sessions with other girls, lets just say only wanted to pay 2500 in one week, you could guarantee the excitement of one shag a day almost for that each day for pretty much a week, then sit there happily in Wanchai drinking beer afterwards and listening to the music. I have done just that, even told a couple of girls I had done that, they ask how much, I tell them in the past, they get annoyed with me, so what, drop your price then. I always feel quite special "beating the market". I am smug with that knowledge. The market I always think seems somewhat fixed in Wanchai anyway, almost that they will not undercut each other. That's fine but the 5 or 6's end up with no business and only on a special occasion is a 7 plus taken away, unfair on all the girls, I am sure in the past I would see many guys leaving continually with girls, now just on occasion I see a takeout. Even that may be a with wife or girlfriend.

Then you have the issue that they say long time, you get to the hotel, I tell them theres half now, theo ther half in the morning, so the Viet girl couple of years ago gets annoyed, she was a looker, maybe 8, so she then gives me half hour, a decent shag, but then pissed off saying she was going to the Neptune to find another. Oh nice thank you. Then she slammed the door. That just proved my point, I always pay half in the morn, other half, also I was suspect she was trying to get me to have a drink, somewhat forcefully, strange that, probably to knock me out with something then nick my Rolex and cash perhaps. Little did she know they were already in the safe.

Anyway these games are played with this long time short time issue, whether they will look after you till morning etc, go for the one hour girls in Mongkok and places, can get guaranteed sex without all that hassle. There are benefits. But I do like Wanchai cannot beat the music, the dance, the drinks, the atmosphere, going from place to place in a circle people watching, getting drunk within reason, love all that, would not miss it for the world. Sadly apart from occasional, I push most of my financial investment in that particular working girl market elsewhere recently. Usually to Kowloon or 141's all over.

[QUOTE=BrownRail;1758225]
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Most of the locals I know don't pay. But they have time, knowledge and are known by the girls.

Some locals pay small amounts when they want something special: specific girl, threesome, etc. That could be HKD300-1,000.

For a particular girl at a particular time, you might have to pay up. For any beautiful girl and with time to cruse, still very cheap.

Good luck on your next trip.[/QUOTE]Why would girls go with locals without some consideration? How does time fix this? I guess you're suggesting some of the pro girls will take a liking to the guys and take up more of a FB relationship? Or do you mean locals have more time to work on the non-pros?

Gents,

So the first time I did p4 p in HK I did not write a TR, sorry about that, it was just after I did a report in the Nairobi section where I was ridiculed and honed away just because I was apparently overpaying the girl. I did not feel like reporting again for quite awhile. Eventhough the HK section had nothing to do with it of course.

Back then I went to the Fuji building and had a great experience with a chubby middle aged Vietnamese Girl named Candy. Was a lot of fun, so this time I wanted to try another place and see what happens.

First day in HK I met up with a DH from the philipinnes, actually my first pinay that I ever did. I went to manila many times before I ventured into the p4 p world and everything started there in the hotel spa where the massage lady did something to me that I had only heard of before. I was quite green.

I'm not in HK a lot, over the past years I've visisted maybe 4 times? So it's not really worth my time keeping up relations with girls like I do in other places. And this shows in the quality of my freebies that I manage to date. In other countries I'm dating models, cabincrew (which I realise is much easier if you are working in aviation yourself) but this time I had a short, a little chubby 25 y / o mom of 2 with a pretty face from borocay. Never fucked another man besides her lowlife husband, never did a BJ, never been licked herself, never did any positions and her last time was 3 years ago. Now I could have gone p4 p, but I'm on an extreme low budget at this moment. So what the heck. I had some good stuff on the way later. Met her on tagged and chatted a bit, did not really see her as a prospect but after she responded really well to one of my sex invite questions I thought why not. (girls I usually see as backup I pretty much ask right away if they want to meet for fun) When I met her she was very shy and nervous. Am I the only one that thinks pinay girls have a weird leg to upperbody ratio? Like their legs are just a little shorter then other asian girls. Maybe it's just this girl or maybe it's the way she was dressed but i really noticed it right when i saw her.

Did her 2 times, before I fell asleep and one more after I woke up again, all bareback no problem as long as I was absolutely 100% postively sure she would not get pregnant. Since I'm sterile that wouldn't be a problem. While I was sleeping she would just lay there and read her book. Saying she liked looking at me while I slept and I snored a little. LOL She also attempted a BJ on me, which was fun, mostly she giggled a lot and it was just great seeing her make one of her wishes come true. Gave her a good orgasm too by licking her and she was truly greatful.

Next day she texts me that she had a great time but her clit was swollen en her pussy felt sore and she had musclepains from spreading her legs so far. LOL guess she did have a good time, as did I. But sadly no repeats although she wants that badly.

DAY 2.

I'm not feeling that great, just a bad night and lots of jetlag. Normally I handle it well but this time I could not get myself out of bed. I had a meeting setup with another pinay DH that morning better body but not such a great face. Getting one on Monday during the day is hard since most have to start work again, but her boss was away on vacation so she had all the time in the world. I wasn't that sad to cancel on her and sleep. She was a little bummed out but did not get too much drama. Then I contacted my best and last girl to see if we were still on for tonight. Local office girl, sexy slim body, long legs and OK face. Met her on craigslist. Now I know most guys here on ISG don't consider CL as a viable option, and I agree it's full with gays and hookers but I have had some great meetups from CL. It's all about how you present yourself in your advertisements. I use it a lot and apparently so do quite a bit of married bored women cause it's quite anonymous, they don't have to register or make a profile like on tagged or badoo etc. Still I wish CL would remove the flag option, cause everytime I put: "Married or attached ladies are welcome" I get flagged for removal by some zealots that see this as too sinnful even for CL. Jees.

Back on topic: she texts back that she is not feeling well, getting a cold etc. Well that sucks. Guess that door swings both ways. She probably has found another hot guy to bang, or maybe she is truly under the weather but she wants to keep in touch until next time. Doubt I'll be back in time to hold her interest, we will see.

So now I'm free to spend my budget money intended to wine and dine these ladies for a p4 p hookup. I had about 700 to spend total. I did lookup the Hop Yee building but a last minute hotel change messed that up. I could have easily gone there on foot from wanchai but I chose another venue to visit. 10 minutes away on foot was 115 Queen's road, you can look up the exact location on the 141 site. (my GPS app puts it at: 22.2757676, 114.1705297) It has 4 floors with about 5 rooms each. Started knocking on doors but quite a few stayed closed, don't know if it was because I'm white but it happens a lot, happend to me last time in the Fuji builiding too. So I work my way down to 3rd floor. The room in the back said Didi. Pretty pics on the door but cleary those were in her younger days (as most of the time) It said good blowjob on the door. She is a chubby mainland chinese from Shenzen (I think) spoke basic english.

She is cuddly and touching me all over through my pants, bit giggly too, just good fun. We get undressed and I help her and she helps me. Finger her a bit through her panties and she is wet. (I like to think this is not leftover from the last guy LOL) She has a great rack for an asian girl but also probably because she is chubby. Trimmed pussy. Onwards to the shower, which as always is just the toilet. Soaps me up and starts a nice back and shoulder rub. Did not ask for it but enjoyed it a lot and my back is full with knots, she clearly noticed it and spends quite a time kneading those away. I'm actually considering going for the massage option as well. I dry off with a dry decent sized towel. And she has a closet full of clean towels so I like to think every John gets a fresh one. Then I see her pricelist and prices are steep considering the other girls on 141 at this location. FS is at 600 while massage only is at 500. Hmmm guess the massage is off the table did not try to negotiate since I hoped FS would be under 500 like with the other ladies, then I would have tried 600 for massage and FS. I want to keep 100 for dinner later. So FS only it is. After payment she starts a cathbath on me which I like. I finger her, and she starts to get wet again. She wants to give me a CBJ but instead I ask her if I can lick her. She smiles and says yes to my surprise. I put her on her back and suck her nipples and work my way down. Start licking her pussy and she starts to moan loudly. I know guys outside would have heard that. This is no fake moaning like I've experienced a lot with other p4 p girls and when she cums she lifts her lower half violently of the bed, almost ramming her pelvic bone up my nose. She is out of breath and curls up in a fetal position. So I ask for the condom that she still holds in her hand and she just half tosses it to me LOL. I dom up and actually have to roll her on her back again and pry her legs apart. She is not unwilling or anything just out of breath hahaha. I enter her easy, no lube needed since she is really wet. Towel has a nice wet spot (I do hope she changed that for the next guy, sorry man if she didn't) I just go all out, she is not working with or against me, just laying there still breathing heavily, I feel her heartbeat against my chest. And easilly I just blow my load. She has regained some of her senses and stops me from taking of the condom myself and gets some tissues and helps me. Clothes on and I say goodbye. The next John is already outside the door. He actually jumps when he sees this 6. 2 foot guy come out the door. I look back at the door and I still see her eyes look back at me and a big smile and hear her say: bye before she slams the door in the poor guys face. I see him ring the bell but I don't wait to see if she opens again. I like to think she needs to sit down and catch her breath but that's just ego and vanity on my part LOL.

Name: Didi.

Body: 6, big boobs but chubby (really my limit).

Attitude: 8, really nice girl, made me feel welcome and gave me massage in the shower.

Blowjob: Great, it says so on the door and since I did not experience it I just believe the sign.

Damage: 600 HK dollars.

English: 6.

WIR: no, not because of her but because there is still so much out there and before I'm in HK again she has probably moved away already.

Got a lot of flak from one of my coworkers on the trip home, she saw me with the pinay girl on the first day. Shit I need to be more careful. Of course I denied I was with anyone but of course women will be women (and the fact that she is right) she did not believe me, I might have made her doubt a little and I hope it does not bite me in the ass somewhere in the future. (with my luck that can always happen. For instance what are the chances of meeting a girl on tinder that has a seat booked on the flight that I have to work on? I don't know but it happend to me, so all bets are off) I always try to look like I'm alone and the girls follow me meekly to my room or back outside but as much as you try to make them understand that it's important that it looks like we don't know eachother it just surprises me what these girls do when I run into a coworker on my way through the lobby. They will stand right next to you and wait for you to finish your conversation while I told them before that when this happens to just wait outside for me, or at the elevator or go straight up to my room (if they have a key) Or when you ask them to wait 2 minutes and then follow me in and I'm waiting and waiting and I text what's keeping them and they text: I thought you did not want me to come inside. AAARGH wish I could take them to another hotel but that cuts into my budget again while I have access to a great 5 star hotel anyways. Just wish these girls would understand better sometimes.

Cheers.

ALC.

1st one was on Sai Yee Choi in Mongkok. Very pretty, natural be cups with hard nipples great for pinching which she loved. Milfy nympho, fcuked her 15 ways to Sunday. 2nd time was BBFS CIP which I loved hehe.

2nd one was from earlier this year I met in YMT, another BBBJ, fucked her for 30-40 minutes 17 ways to Sunday and I was sweating my ass off LOL. Great tits and smooth ass in her 40's but no babies and nice petite body. She is a freak if the chemistry is right. Both were 400 hkd and I told them next time they are tipping me. They both agreed haha.

PC out.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;1769038]Why would girls go with locals without some consideration? How does time fix this? I guess you're suggesting some of the pro girls will take a liking to the guys and take up more of a FB relationship? Or do you mean locals have more time to work on the non-pros?[/QUOTE]Hi Dirk, that is kind of a funny question. Most people don't look for payment for intimacy. Turning the question around, why do some women look for payment? It is because in that case they are having sex primarily to make money. It is because the guy is not mate material for one reason or another (e. G, he is not attractive, not wealthy, he is married, he is a tourist only available for short time or she does not want a BF).

Lots of the girls in the bars are working in HK and just there for fun and relaxation, and hopeful that they will meet a BF – like in the rest of the world. A big difference in HK is that there are 300 k extra women, like this, working here as DHs with little chance for a normal social or sex life. In this way they are unusually needy. They are just human and want comfort and affection like everyone else. They are also financially needy, which is why they are DHs. So if they meet a guy who is at all attractive it is quite easy to have a non-financially driven relationship.

Most who will go out for pay from this group are opportunistic. They would prefer a BF, or at least a friend with privileges. So if you are local it is a great opportunity for you. On the other hand if you are not local while you might not be a potential BF, you might be able to address her financial need, or for a bit of money speed up the process. These girls can go either way.

Of course there are the mostly-pros. They might be live-out DHs who have discovered a second source of income; but they too are probably on the lookout for a BF.

Or they might be over-stayers. These have lost their original jobs and should have found another job to renew their visas, or else left for home. Instead they are illegals in need of a source of income. If they get caught the will be deported. So they need to make as much as quickly as they can.

Or they might be tourists themselves. Girls from Thailand, China, Vietnam, the Philippines and Indonesia come for "holiday" but work in the bars for their visa's 14 day validity. They need to make as much as they can as fast as they can. They have to earn back their airfare, their boarding house and food and still have a profit to send home. They can exit to China or Macau to get an extra 14 days, but HK Immigration will not let them go on for too long, (unlike prior to around 2008 when they could just keep exiting and returning with unlimited new visas – one of the big causes of change in Wan chai). These girls are most in need and pretty much must charge. If they find a BF, he will be on the side.

So when a local guy walks into a room and surveys the women, he organizes them into working and non-working, and then figures out what he wants tonight. Most locals know lots of the girls. Some as friends. Some as GFs. Some as friends with privileges. Rarely would a local buy a bargirl drink, and even rarer pay for sex.

There are exceptions. If a local wants a specific girl, or something special, he might pay. On the other hand if you met a local who always pays, there is probably something undesirable about him. Remember Rurik Jutting? People tell me he, a local, always paid. Just goes to show you.

So if you want a cool game to play, next time you visit HK make up a story that makes you reasonably local. See how much you can score with out pay!

Sorry Dirk, I thought I was going to write a line or two, but got carried away.

[QUOTE=AirlineCrew;1769137]
Got a lot of flak from one of my coworkers on the trip home, she saw me with the pinay girl on the first day. Shit I need to be more careful.
ALC.[/QUOTE]Brave man!! Taking girls back to the crew hotel. Must be good at making up excuses when your other crew inevitably catch you out.

Next time you are in Hkg, PM me and we can go exploring. Although you are already quite adventurous going into the 141 places. Well done.

I often visit airline staff in their hotels. They are usually open about their adventures.

Will be back in Hong Kong next week and will be staying at the Holiday Inn. I have read reports that there has been a clamp down on the WGs in Hari's Bar. Does anyone know other spots where these girls might move to. Always loved the scene at Hari's but will need to explore other venues. Hoped to meet a lady from Thailand May (Mai) who I have been with in the past.

[QUOTE=Chantik;1771912]I often visit airline staff in their hotels. They are usually open about their adventures.[/QUOTE]Hi Chantik!

Which hotels do you suggest in HK to pickup Airline staff?

[QUOTE=MehediKhan;1772777]Hi Chantik!

Which hotels do you suggest in HK to pickup Airline staff?[/QUOTE]Ha Ha Ha. The airline pay me for naughty times. And pilots are very naughty.

[QUOTE=BrownRail;1771813]
So when a local guy walks into a room and surveys the women, he organizes them into working and non-working, and then figures out what he wants tonight. Most locals know lots of the girls. Some as friends. Some as GFs. Some as friends with privileges. Rarely would a local buy a bargirl drink, and even rarer pay for sex.

There are exceptions. If a local wants a specific girl, or something special, he might pay. On the other hand if you met a local who always pays, there is probably something undesirable about him. Remember Rurik Jutting? People tell me he, a local, always paid. Just goes to show you.

So if you want a cool game to play, next time you visit HK make up a story that makes you reasonably local. See how much you can score with out pay!

Sorry Dirk, I thought I was going to write a line or two, but got carried away.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the detailed explanation of what this means. I guess bottom line is locals don't *explicitly* pay for sex. But just like any relationship, they pay for it somehow, with dates, with gifts, with time, with drama. Still probably much less than the explicit ST or LT arrangement. I might be wrong, but I would guess a local would still offer 500-1000 HK to one of their FWB or treat them out to a similar amount? If not, and the girl just comes for a f* and then leaves, that is truly interesting but I think a bit unfair for the girl if the guy provides zero friendship / emotional fulfillment to the girl.

[QUOTE=BrownRail;1771813]Hi Dirk, that is kind of a funny question. Most people don't look for payment for intimacy. Turning the question around, why do some women look for payment? It is because in that case they are having sex primarily to make money. It is because the guy is not mate material for one reason or another (e. G, he is not attractive, not wealthy, he is married, he is a tourist only available for short time or she does not want a BF).

Lots of the girls in the bars are working in HK and just there for fun and relaxation, and hopeful that they will meet a BF like in the rest of the world. A big difference in HK is that there are 300 k extra women, like this, working here as DHs with little chance for a normal social or sex life. In this way they are unusually needy. They are just human and want comfort and affection like everyone else. They are also financially needy, which is why they are DHs. So if they meet a guy who is at all attractive it is quite easy to have a non-financially driven relationship.

Most who will go out for pay from this group are opportunistic. They would prefer a BF, or at least a friend with privileges. So if you are local it is a great opportunity for you. On the other hand if you are not local while you might not be a potential BF, you might be able to address her financial need, or for a bit of money speed up the process. These girls can go either way.

Of course there are the mostly-pros. They might be live-out DHs who have discovered a second source of income; but they too are probably on the lookout for a BF.

Or they might be over-stayers. These have lost their original jobs and should have found another job to renew their visas, or else left for home. Instead they are illegals in need of a source of income. If they get caught the will be deported. So they need to make as much as quickly as they can.

Or they might be tourists themselves. Girls from Thailand, China, Vietnam, the Philippines and Indonesia come for "holiday" but work in the bars for their visa's 14 day validity. They need to make as much as they can as fast as they can. They have to earn back their airfare, their boarding house and food and still have a profit to send home. They can exit to China or Macau to get an extra 14 days, but HK Immigration will not let them go on for too long, (unlike prior to around 2008 when they could just keep exiting and returning with unlimited new visas one of the big causes of change in Wan chai). These girls are most in need and pretty much must charge. If they find a BF, he will be on the side.

So when a local guy walks into a room and surveys the women, he organizes them into working and non-working, and then figures out what he wants tonight. Most locals know lots of the girls. Some as friends. Some as GFs. Some as friends with privileges. Rarely would a local buy a bargirl drink, and even rarer pay for sex.

There are exceptions. If a local wants a specific girl, or something special, he might pay. On the other hand if you met a local who always pays, there is probably something undesirable about him. Remember Rurik Jutting? People tell me he, a local, always paid. Just goes to show you.

So if you want a cool game to play, next time you visit HK make up a story that makes you reasonably local. See how much you can score with out pay!

Sorry Dirk, I thought I was going to write a line or two, but got carried away.[/QUOTE]And when Brown Rail talks about "locals", he most likely means people who live in HK which can be Chinese from HK as well as foreigners living in HK.

Decided to check out the Wanchai bar scene again since I've only been a couple times before.

Previously only been to Escape really. Other places were dead.

Wanted to see what Hong Kong cafe, but at 1 am on Sat night they were asking $250 HKD entrance (including a drink), which translates to about a $150-170 HKD cover. Went again around 4 pm Sunday and was asked to pay the fee again. Neptune was asking $500HKD... No cover at Escape though. Is this standard?

[QUOTE=Dirk67;1773448]
Wanted to see what Hong Kong cafe, but at 1 am on Sat night they were asking $250 HKD entrance (including a drink), which translates to about a $150-170 HKD cover. Went again around 4 pm Sunday and was asked to pay the fee again. Neptune was asking $500HKD... No cover at Escape though. Is this standard?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately some places charge for non-whites to enter. Discriminatory rules / laws don't apply here. This has been well discussed and commented on in the past. If you are non white, then one way to avoid a charge is go in with a girl or with a crowd of guys and you might get away with it.

Never known Neptune 111 to charge however and as for $500, that is obscene. Maybe a new policy for them.