Bogota Reports

So made a 4 days trip to Bogota, before going to Medellin. 1st time in Colombia for me, a long awaited trip. I am not interested in street walkers and mainly focused on online ads at mileroticos / photoprepagos / pasionprepagos for the day / afternoon sex and apps such as SA / Tinder for higher quality girls for sex and party at night. I must say SA has been yielding a lot of contacts, more than anywhere else in the world for me. Stayed in a nice high rise recently constructed condominium airbnb in Chapinero, which was mentioned on this forum recently, with awesome city view. Totally GF, security would call to ask if guest can come up, and hold their ID until they return. Or I could just take them up by myself by going down no question asked.

Shantal. Venezuelan.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/hkjg-loaoaoallaoao-kkalalkalakalaoa-vkakallakavbnl/21527004/[/URL]

It was late night on day 1 around 12 am and I wanted to have a girl to come over who could provide extensive services. She ticked all my boxes and came over in just about 45 min. Total price including extras was 240 k for 1 hour.

It is the girl in the picture, although a bit more browner, and a bit less exciting than her online picture. Still I would say a 6.5/10 face, and 7/10 body. But what she lacked in beauty she made up in service, BBBJ deepthroat facefuck, deep rimming, DFK and covered sex and finished in CIM. 9/10 performance. Was a good start to the trip and I recommend this girl if you need the aforementioned services, she does it with gusto.

Camila. Venezuelan - 18 years old.

[URL]https://pasionprepagos.com/escorts/camila3132646356[/URL]

Now from what I see, a lot of young girls, and by young I mean 18-19, are available in Bogota, most of them being Venezuelan. That is a good change for me, as I am used to girls more in the 25-30 range, especially in Thailand agogo. So I browsed the ads to find a cute 18 years old, and came across Camila. Total price was 215 k with extra for oral without and CIM. She arrived in my room on time, she looked young and cute with a delicious teenage body. No habla English. Body 7/10 and face 7/10. Started with an average BBBJ, and fucked in multiple positions but found her quite inexperienced, understandable due to her age, but still. I wanted to finish in CIM but she resisted and kept her mouth slightly on the side while I shot. After finishing she asked how she was, I told her just average and inexperienced, and told her I was paying extra for CIM but she didn't deliver, she said you should have put it my mouth, yeah sure but you were resisting it. Anyways, she had the balls to ask for a tip despite this, I said I never ever tipped anyone and only pay agreed price. BTW, I haven been asked to tip twice on this trip, but before I have never been asked anywhere else in the world, I blame the many Americans here and their tipping culture! I don't recommend this girl, or maybe just a quick shot at her incall place.

Paula. Venezuelan - 19 years old.

Co. [URL]mileroticos.com[/URL].

Can't find her ad anymore. I woke up early and came across her ad, she lived less than 10 min walk from my condo. She arrived at 11 am, within 30 min of contacting her. Agreed 120 k including extra for 1 hour. I found her price too low for what I was asking, so I did not have much expectation from her, but I thought it doesn't matter it is just 120 k. She arrived wearing nice clothes, no English, not a looker, a 6.5/10 face and 6.5/10 body. But doable and I was looking forward for the services. She provided a BBBJ, with loads of spit, deepthroat and facefuck for at least 40 min until I got tired of it. Nice long rimming as well. Good fuck, DFK. Finished in CIM which she swallowed and smiled. Wow, she completely surpassed my expectations. Excellent session! I repeated with her on my last day, 1 hour for 120 k which we extend for 1 more hour for additional 60 k. She also provided a decent massage and awesome catbath (sucking and licking all the body). Excellent service and great attitude.

Seeking app.

So I bought the membership about 2 weeks before going to see what's up. Made a lot of contacts and filtered them. The contacts I was planning to meet did not happen due to logistics, but met a girl from seeking on day 3. She messaged me saying 70 USD for a short time meet or 100 USD for all night. I said I am not American I don't have dollars, she said 250 k then, not sure whether that was for short or long time. But agreed to meet at 8 PM, to meet at my place and go outside for some drinks and fun, she was bang on time (actually out of 6-7 girls I met here so far not a single one was late by more than 5 min). She looked decent and well dressed, white skinned girl, a 7.5/10 face and 7.5/10 body. She spoke good English and said she was working in the administration department of a company. Said she was surprised to see my profile as I am quite younger than the average SA member, in fact we were both same age. Had a good talk and some rum at my place and then went out to Zona T / Rosa for some shisha and drinks, then to Andres DC. We both got quite tipsy, she danced and kissed me in the club like crazy lovers. We returned to the condo around 3 am, she jumped on me and started making out and BBBJ on the sofa, asked if I had condom, no, and she just slid it in for BBFS. Continued on the bed and finally I shooted in CIM. Slept in each other arms. She woke up and left at 8 am she said she had driving class. That was a very fun night the way I like them. Later she texted that she had loads of fun and that if I wanted we could meet again and that I don't need to pay again. A shame that I didn't have time to take up on her offer as I would have loved to. Best experience so far in Colombia.

That is it for my Bogota experience, the city is cold and dirty, but it has a South American vibe to it which I liked. I liked the sheer number of options and girls available here as well. Now that I am in Medellin, I can definitely feel girls asking more inflated price here, especially on seeking where a few girls quoted me over 1 million cop prices, whereas no girl in Bogota quoted me above 500 k. Supply and demand I guess. Will be back in Bogota one day.

[QUOTE=Raftaar;2607083]So I bought the membership about 2 weeks before going to see what's up. Made a lot of contacts and filtered them. The contacts I was planning to meet did not happen due to logistics, but met a girl from seeking on day 3. She messaged me saying 70 USD for a short time meet or 100 USD for all night. I said I am not American I don't have dollars, she said 250 k then, not sure whether that was for short or long time. But agreed to meet at 8 PM, to meet at my place and go outside for some drinks and fun, she was bang on time (actually out of 6-7 girls I met here so far not a single one was late by more than 5 min). She looked decent and well dressed, white skinned girl, a 7.5/10 face and 7.5/10 body. She spoke good English and said she was working in the administration department of a company. Said she was surprised to see my profile as I am quite younger than the average SA member, in fact we were both same age. Had a good talk and some rum at my place and then went out to Zona T / Rosa for some shisha and drinks, then to Andres DC. We both got quite tipsy, she danced and kissed me in the club like crazy lovers. We returned to the condo around 3 am, she jumped on me and started making out and BBBJ on the sofa, asked if I had condom, no, and she just slid it in for BBFS. Continued on the bed and finally I shooted in CIM. Slept in each other arms. She woke up and left at 8 am she said she had driving class. That was a very fun night the way I like them. Later she texted that she had loads of fun and that if I wanted we could meet again and that I don't need to pay again. A shame that I didn't have time to take up on her offer as I would have loved to. Best experience so far in Colombia.
[/QUOTE]Way to go, Raftar! This happened to me so many times with seeking, and I tried to tell guys here until I am blue in the face that seeking is different than just getting a hooker. Even if it is P4 P, most times, it is a much, much richer experience. Even though like with you, it is because the woman is into me that it is good, and the sex is more open often to boot. I have only had BBFS with a seeking woman. Hell, it was a struggle even to get a BBBBJ with some working women.

I think you are like the 6th guy Raftar I have talked to or met who has said that the seeking woman wants to spend time with them and not get any money. I thought that prostitution was more socially acceptable in Latin countries, and it is not. Any Latin woman with self worth does not want to take cash for sex.

There are so many women like the one you met who has a job but just wants better out of life, and she is not going to find it with a Colombian guy. So many guys here said that Colombian women want to hang with their novios. I saw that was wrong. The hos are afraid to step out of their comfort zone, but many if not most of the sophisticated nonpros want more out of life and the foreign guys who treat them well are often their best option.

I have had to blaze the seeking trail here, and I am glad you are seeing what I saw. Yes, the women really wanted to spend time with me. Yes, they really wanted to fuck me for no money. Yes, their orgasms were real. And yes, they really wanted to be my GF and would die to be my wife. I did not spend that much time in Colombia and only a week or so at a time usually, but I had like six hot 20 something women 7's to 9's who wanted to be my GF, and I was turning them away!

Anyway, if you take this girl to Cartagena or San Andreas and showed her a good time, she would want to be your GF. If you take her to Mexico or Costa Rica, she would probably want to marry you.

As for Medellin, the woman are a touch better looking, but there is a marked increase in materialism and an attitude that goes with it. All in all, I felt like the women in Bogota had a higher character, were much more real, and I enjoyed their company more.

But the three best fucks I had in Colombia were coastal girls or costenas. They are a rarer breed, but the best ones I met and bedded were hot fucking nymphos. They are / were at a different level.

[QUOTE=TommyW;2606876] Is sleeping (laterally) with WG dangerous? I don't want to be dead or wake up with only my underpants left. [/QUOTE]I was wondering this too, specifically about incall. I'm not too worried about having girls over but I was wondering how common it is to find yourself in a sketchy situation when you go to an independent girl's apartment / hotel.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2606821]Getting an uber in Santa Fe to pick you up is damned near impossible. I gave up doing that after seeing again and again the average wait was like 30 minutes and having rides cancelled again and again. I just grab a cab back to my hotel when I want out of Santa Fe. Getting there is no problem. Getting out on Uber sucks.[/QUOTE]My girl has been using Indriver, with some success. An app that's gaining popularity recently. The basic difference is you put in your destination and include a price your willing to pay and see if any drivers bite. If not, raise it a little until you connect.

[QUOTE=TommyW;2606876]Is sleeping (laterally) with WG dangerous?[/QUOTE]Read Dublin12's report "The Holiday in Hell" before you try it:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2602033&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2602033.

[QUOTE=Raftaar;2607083]So made a 4 days trip to Bogota, before going to Medellin. 1st time in Colombia for me, a long awaited trip. I am not interested in street walkers and mainly focused on online ads at mileroticos / photoprepagos / pasionprepagos for the day / afternoon sex and apps such as SA / Tinder for higher quality girls for sex and party at night. I must say SA has been yielding a lot of contacts, more than anywhere else in the world for me. Stayed in a nice high rise recently constructed condominium airbnb in Chapinero, which was mentioned on this forum recently, with awesome city view. Totally GF, security would call to ask if guest can come up, and hold their ID until they return. Or I could just take them up by myself by going down no question asked.

Shantal. Venezuelan.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/hkjg-loaoaoallaoao-kkalalkalakalaoa-vkakallakavbnl/21527004/[/URL]

It was late night on day 1 around 12 am and I wanted to have a girl to come over who could provide extensive services. She ticked all my boxes and came over in just about 45 min. Total price including extras was 240 k for 1 hour.

It is the girl in the picture, although a bit more browner, and a bit less exciting than her online picture. Still I would say a 6.5/10 face, and 7/10 body. But what she lacked in beauty she made up in service, BBBJ deepthroat facefuck, deep rimming, DFK and covered sex and finished in CIM. 9/10 performance. Was a good start to the trip and I recommend this girl if you need the aforementioned services, she does it with gusto.

Camila. Venezuelan - 18 years old.

[URL]https://pasionprepagos.com/escorts/camila3132646356[/URL]

Now from what I see, a lot of young girls, and by young I mean 18-19, are available in Bogota, most of them being Venezuelan. That is a good change for me, as I am used to girls more in the 25-30 range, especially in Thailand agogo. So I browsed the ads to find a cute 18 years old, and came across Camila. Total price was 215 k with extra for oral without and CIM. She arrived in my room on time, she looked young and cute with a delicious teenage body. No habla English. Body 7/10 and face 7/10. Started with an average BBBJ, and fucked in multiple positions but found her quite inexperienced, understandable due to her age, but still. I wanted to finish in CIM but she resisted and kept her mouth slightly on the side while I shot. After finishing she asked how she was, I told her just average and inexperienced, and told her I was paying extra for CIM but she didn't deliver, she said you should have put it my mouth, yeah sure but you were resisting it. Anyways, she had the balls to ask for a tip despite this, I said I never ever tipped anyone and only pay agreed price. BTW, I haven been asked to tip twice on this trip, but before I have never been asked anywhere else in the world, I blame the many Americans here and their tipping culture! I don't recommend this girl, or maybe just a quick shot at her incall place.

Paula. Venezuelan - 19 years old.

Co. [URL]mileroticos.com[/URL].

Can't find her ad anymore. I woke up early and came across her ad, she lived less than 10 min walk from my condo. She arrived at 11 am, within 30 min of contacting her. Agreed 120 k including extra for 1 hour. I found her price too low for what I was asking, so I did not have much expectation from her, but I thought it doesn't matter it is just 120 k. She arrived wearing nice clothes, no English, not a looker, a 6.5/10 face and 6.5/10 body. But doable and I was looking forward for the services. She provided a BBBJ, with loads of spit, deepthroat and facefuck for at least 40 min until I got tired of it. Nice long rimming as well. Good fuck, DFK. Finished in CIM which she swallowed and smiled. Wow, she completely surpassed my expectations. Excellent session! I repeated with her on my last day, 1 hour for 120 k which we extend for 1 more hour for additional 60 k. She also provided a decent massage and awesome catbath (sucking and licking all the body). Excellent service and great attitude.

Seeking app.

So I bought the membership about 2 weeks before going to see what's up. Made a lot of contacts and filtered them. The contacts I was planning to meet did not happen due to logistics, but met a girl from seeking on day 3. She messaged me saying 70 USD for a short time meet or 100 USD for all night. I said I am not American I don't have dollars, she said 250 k then, not sure whether that was for short or long time. But agreed to meet at 8 PM, to meet at my place and go outside for some drinks and fun, she was bang on time (actually out of 6-7 girls I met here so far not a single one was late by more than 5 min). She looked decent and well dressed, white skinned girl, a 7.5/10 face and 7.5/10 body. She spoke good English and said she was working in the administration department of a company. Said she was surprised to see my profile as I am quite younger than the average SA member, in fact we were both same age. Had a good talk and some rum at my place and then went out to Zona T / Rosa for some shisha and drinks, then to Andres DC. We both got quite tipsy, she danced and kissed me in the club like crazy lovers. We returned to the condo around 3 am, she jumped on me and started making out and BBBJ on the sofa, asked if I had condom, no, and she just slid it in for BBFS. Continued on the bed and finally I shooted in CIM. Slept in each other arms. She woke up and left at 8 am she said she had driving class. That was a very fun night the way I like them. Later she texted that she had loads of fun and that if I wanted we could meet again and that I don't need to pay again. A shame that I didn't have time to take up on her offer as I would have loved to. Best experience so far in Colombia.

That is it for my Bogota experience, the city is cold and dirty, but it has a South American vibe to it which I liked. I liked the sheer number of options and girls available here as well. Now that I am in Medellin, I can definitely feel girls asking more inflated price here, especially on seeking where a few girls quoted me over 1 million cop prices, whereas no girl in Bogota quoted me above 500 k. Supply and demand I guess. Will be back in Bogota one day.[/QUOTE]Great report. Is it best to get an airBNG for this type of activity? I always stay at hotels and can see a potential problem with different girls coming in and out. I'm trying to get a black Colombian girl and some anal on my next trip so online ads might be the best way to get this.

Showdown.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2607291]Read Dublin12's report "The Holiday in Hell" before you try it:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2602033&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2602033.[/QUOTE]Reading through the threads, I know why the idea is so wrong in so many levels. Even if I don't get robbed, it might quickly become boring for both of us.

What do people think about girls from 'high end' escort agencies? E. g. Bogotaelite dot com. They guarantee that the girls speak fluent English, however this kind of defeats the point of going out of US. On the other hand, my (future) report might beat Dublin's if I paid her US 3500 for a week and get robbed on the very first day.

[QUOTE=TooCheesy;2607068]From my experience, its hit or miss, play it safe, keep your valuables hidden and never bring her home until you feel comfortable with her. You can go to a motel for a full night for cheap. I spent a total of 18 months in Colombia from 2019-now (Got stuck in lockdown during the pandemic) and I really only had 1 bad experience with a chica (I asked for help on this forum about it).

In terms of payment, again, it depends on the girl, some girls ask for high hourly rates but ask for double their hourly for an overnight. I usually go with 500 Dollars or 2 million a week and see what they say, it depends on your luck, how good your Spanish is, and their situation.

I've had a girl stay with me for 3 months for 10 million due to her just arriving in Bogota and was living out of motels, she didn't want to be a WG but she didn't have that option, so I had her stay with me until she found a job and a room. Now I got a girl on speed dial whenever I go there that's also down to help me find other chicas or go to Santa Fe with me.[/QUOTE]Given that I only have a short amount of time, it's too much of a risk to bring anyone to home.

Thanks for the tip and prices!

[QUOTE=TommyW;2607400]Given that I only have a short amount of time, it's too much of a risk to bring anyone to home.

Thanks for the tip and prices![/QUOTE]Even then DO NOT TRUST HER, I had, what I thought was a trusting relationship, exclusive (maybe jaja) with a very special girl in Bogota about 6 or 7 years ago. I began to notice some cash missing on various trips when I went to sleep or in the bathroom. Back then I would bring cash and use cambios. I always had a lot of cash with me. I use ATM's now because I can take only what I need for a day or 2 and get more. One night I went into the bathroom, waited for about 15 or 20 seconds and quickly went back to the room and I catch her jumping back into the bad all startled and shit. I wasn't missing any money on that trip but I then knew to be sure every dollar would be locked up in the safe or in my carry on with a lock on it. Later that week we went to Andres Carne for her birthday, she got drunk that night, go a little sick and went to sleep. The next morning I noticed the silver Mayan / Aztec necklace I bought myself in Peru was missing. I distinctly remember taking it off in bed and placing it on the night table. I was not drunk because I let her celebrate and I didn't drink much so as to take care of her. The necklace disappeared, I remember her acting concerned and going through the motions of looking for the necklace she knew she had stolen all along. I think that was the last time I saw her. Moral of the story, Never, never trust any woman in Latin America, The culture excuses theft if you have more than them, and if they think they can get away with it, they will. I have had some of the crazy things stolen in Latin america. I had one girl in Lima steal all my toiletries out of the bathroom where she went to freshen up before she left. Another one in Costa Rica stole the candies I had out for company to eat, she left and the chocolates disappeared. I've seen many many things in my 3 decades of traveling to Latin America so be smart and assume everyone of these girls can become a thief in a flash. I love the Latin culture and the women of course but when it comes to petty theft, most are but not all, are sneak thief's, watch out, be safe and happy mongering.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2607564] I've seen many many things in my 3 decades of traveling to Latin America so be smart and assume everyone of these girls can become a thief in a flash. I love the Latin culture and the women of course but when it comes to petty theft, most are but not all, are sneak thief's, watch out, be safe and happy mongering.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear about your experience, but I have a complete other experience. I shared the same roof with latin american girls during 95% of my nights in the past 15 years, and I never EVER had to experience theft. Just common sence, when I sleep with a pro or a one night stand with someone out of my social circle, my valuable belongings are locked. In normal life with my social circle I never have to take care and never ever had any issue, not with long term relationship, not with one night stand and not with friends. I even lived during 2 years with 5 girls and never had any problem. You can trust a latina once you know her social circle and relatives and once she knows your social circle and relatives, how much you have fucked her is irrelevant. The only woman in my life that had robbed all my belongings was my ex-wife, and she was not from latin america

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2607564]Moral of the story, Never, never trust any woman in Latin America, The culture excuses theft if you have more than them, and if they think they can get away with it, they will. I have had some of the crazy things stolen in Latin america. I had one girl in Lima steal all my toiletries out of the bathroom where she went to freshen up before she left. Another one in Costa Rica stole the candies I had out for company to eat, she left and the chocolates disappeared. I've seen many many things in my 3 decades of traveling to Latin America so be smart and assume everyone of these girls can become a thief in a flash. I love the Latin culture and the women of course but when it comes to petty theft, most are but not all, are sneak thief's, watch out, be safe and happy mongering.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty new to mongering and absolutely new to Latin America, will keep your advice in mind!

In my trips elsewhere (Europe and Asia), pickpocketing artists got my wallet several times and I never caught any of them. Watch a street show, wallet gone; someone bumps into me, wallet gone; put luggage on the rack, wallet gone. They even got the wallet in the buttoned inside pocket of my jacket, just amazing.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2607126]Way to go, Raftar! This happened to me so many times with seeking, and I tried to tell guys here until I am blue in the face that seeking is different than just getting a hooker. Even if it is P4 P, most times, it is a much, much richer experience. Even though like with you, it is because the woman is into me that it is good, and the sex is more open often to boot. I have only had BBFS with a seeking woman. Hell, it was a struggle even to get a BBBBJ with some working women.

I think you are like the 6th guy Raftar I have talked to or met who has said that the seeking woman wants to spend time with them and not get any money. I thought that prostitution was more socially acceptable in Latin countries, and it is not. Any Latin woman with self worth does not want to take cash for sex.

There are so many women like the one you met who has a job but just wants better out of life, and she is not going to find it with a Colombian guy. So many guys here said that Colombian women want to hang with their novios. I saw that was wrong. The hos are afraid to step out of their comfort zone, but many if not most of the sophisticated nonpros want more out of life and the foreign guys who treat them well are often their best option.

I have had to blaze the seeking trail here, and I am glad you are seeing what I saw. Yes, the women really wanted to spend time with me. Yes, they really wanted to fuck me for no money. Yes, their orgasms were real. And yes, they really wanted to be my GF and would die to be my wife. I did not spend that much time in Colombia and only a week or so at a time usually, but I had like six hot 20 something women 7's to 9's who wanted to be my GF, and I was turning them away!

Anyway, if you take this girl to Cartagena or San Andreas and showed her a good time, she would want to be your GF. If you take her to Mexico or Costa Rica, she would probably want to marry you.

As for Medellin, the woman are a touch better looking, but there is a marked increase in materialism and an attitude that goes with it. All in all, I felt like the women in Bogota had a higher character, were much more real, and I enjoyed their company more.

But the three best fucks I had in Colombia were coastal girls or costenas. They are a rarer breed, but the best ones I met and bedded were hot fucking nymphos. They are / were at a different level.[/QUOTE]I guess scoring a freebie is possible, if she has a job and doesn't need money desperately, if she is not super hot and in her late 20's or early 30's. If there is no age gap (or very small one), and both look relatively the same (on the 1 to 10 scale), then there is really no need to pay, because there is no gap that needs to be covered with $. Otherwise, I don't see this happening, because they are on SA for a reason, that is to get some sugar. I have a very similar story. Last July I met a girl from SA in MDE, 29 yo, with a day time job (beauty business or something), living super close to where I was staying. Face 7, body 6. 5 or so (on the thicker side, not my type). She looked better on photos than in real life. We agreed on 250 mil PPM, she came over straight to my place, because that day I was not in the mood to go out and it was daytime, just too early to go out. Had some wine at my place, ordered Rappi. I was cialis enhanced. Started to make out, then moved to the bed. Same question. Do you have a condom? No? Then she proceeded to stick it in raw. Basically, BBFS saved the day. Otherwise it would be just an average or below average session. She was really surprised to see 250 mil in her purse after we were done, even though we agreed on 250 PPM prior to meeting. I could tell she was also surprised that I'm not much older than her. I can't say I had a terrible time with her, but I felt bad that I paid her, because I definitely could picked her or similar girl for free at a bar, club, etc. But since I like them young and hot, I feel like scoring a freebie is not feasible. Most of the young girls that I met, 18-23 yo are jobless or have shitty jobs and expect $ or gifts. This is why they are on SA in the first place.

Hi everyone,

I am going to Bogota for 2 weeks round October 10,2021. The last my visit was 2019.

Could you please make an update:

1) How active is Santa Fe.

2) Covid situation.

3) Any special Covid regulations.

4) General advice (if any new and important to know).

5) Advice for brothels / casas.

6) Anything special.

Thanks in advance.

Guys I really enjoyed Mezzanine on my last trip. I like the point and click without the walking around Santa Fe and that damn knock. That knock is why I won't return to Santa Fe. And the Don Carlton is right across the street. Bang a girl, walk to your hotel across the street and recharge and repeat.

Are there any other setups like Mezzanine in Bogota? Also what else is worth visiting around Mezzanine?

Showdown.

[QUOTE=TommyW;2607644]In my trips elsewhere (Europe and Asia), pickpocketing artists got my wallet several times and I never caught any of them. Watch a street show, wallet gone; someone bumps into me, wallet gone; put luggage on the rack, wallet gone. They even got the wallet in the buttoned inside pocket of my jacket, just amazing.[/QUOTE]Why do you carry a traditional wallet?