[QUOTE=Harold444;1404949]By the way I told the girl NO you don't smell down there. While I almost had a headache from the smell.[/QUOTE]Its cruel to be kind.
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Thailand To Change From Left To Right Hand Driving
Another one fell for it being 01 April. AKA April Fool's day.
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Thailand To Change From Left To Right Hand Driving[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TConor; 1405499][url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/630001-thailand-to-change-from-left-to-right-hand-driving/?utm_source=newsletter-20130401-1109&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news[/url]
Thailand To Change From Left To Right Hand Driving[/QUOTE]True indeed, set date is April 1, 2014 for trucks and buses. Followed by cars one week later, if all goes well.
[QUOTE=Bionicman;1405562]True indeed, set date is April 1, 2014 for trucks and buses. Followed by cars one week later, if all goes well.[/QUOTE]So when do they change all the road signs to the other side of the road.
Do you know that more Americans get into pedestrian accidents at London airports upon arrival than at any other time in GB. They don't know which way to look crossing the street. There are going to be a lot of hurt Thai's. And head on crashes from drunks forgetting about the switch.
[QUOTE=TConor;1405752]So when do they change all the road signs to the other side of the road.[/QUOTE]Breaking news from cable channel 69, PM Yingluck said this official date will be pushed back to 29 Feb 2014.
[QUOTE=TConor; 1405752]So when do they change all the road signs to the other side of the road.[/QUOTE]Recommend that you join the discussion on Thaivisa. It seriously needs your wise contribution, and you will be in great company.
Hi, We will be in BKK and then south for a week, my girlfriend and me (40s yrsold) in two weeks. We would like to find a cute fun thin girl, or couple to have fun for few days, or even to come on a trip with us. I know most Thai girl do not want to go with another girl, like me I do not want to go with another guy. But any idea anyone? Fun place to go for couple?
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Envirosex; 1405976]Hi, We will be in BKK and then south for a week, my girlfriend and me (40s yrsold) in two weeks. We would like to find a cute fun thin girl, or couple to have fun for few days, or even to come on a trip with us. I know most Thai girl do not want to go with another girl, like me I do not want to go with another guy. But any idea anyone? Fun place to go for couple?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I am here and can arrange. Is your GF model quality and does she take it in the ASS?
[QUOTE=Envirosex; 1405976]Hi, We will be in BKK and then south for a week, my girlfriend and me (40s yrsold) in two weeks. We would like to find a cute fun thin girl, or couple to have fun for few days, or even to come on a trip with us. I know most Thai girl do not want to go with another girl, like me I do not want to go with another guy. But any idea anyone? Fun place to go for couple?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Try the MPs and escort agencies. Some of their girls will provide couple services. For example, Annie's #28's profile states she,"offers some couple's service ask for details."
Since my 20 year old roll on bag (with garment sleeve) is giving up the ghost, I am in the process of replacing it. I need a replacement that will at least take one suit for my business travel. Does any one on the forum have any suggestions on a make or model as a replacement? There seems to be a ton of 20" and 22" roll on bags available in price range from $40 to $400, but few with a garment sleeve now days.
Aside from buying one here in the US, some folks have suggested looking for one in Bangkok at the MBK center and Pratunam. This kind of makes sense, because a lot of the roll on bags are made in Thailand. If anyone out there has had any success in this respect, can you let me know the specifics as to where you found it, the retailer, the price, the type and quality of bag you got.
Thanks for your comments and recommendations.
[QUOTE=TConor; 1405752]So when do they change all the road signs to the other side of the road.
Do you know that more Americans get into pedestrian accidents at London airports upon arrival than at any other time in GB. They don't know which way to look crossing the street. There are going to be a lot of hurt Thai's. And head on crashes from drunks forgetting about the switch.[/QUOTE]As mentioned: truck and buses signs wil change the same day as the vehicles will start going the other side (1/4/14).
Car and pedestrians signs will change one week later, as they will conform to the new rules, as stated before.
Americans should be more careful when crossing runaways in airports as planes might come either from right or from left, depends on wind direction in that particular moment.
If you notice the sign shows two planes coming from both direction (some think it is a suggestion to pilots to crash into each other, but this is only an american theory).
It helps a lot in wetting your forefinger (maybe in a wet pussy, if available nearby) and test it to the wind to get the wind direction. An old trick invented in Europe.
I am wondering how the rest of the world passengers cope by not having pedestrian accidents in London airports? Might this mean they are a bit smarter and clever? Just thinking loud.
Or maybe they have noticed there are no roads to be crossed. Unless you want to go into the M4. Then I suggest a bit of care, indeed.
Is it possible and legal to buy an unlocked smart phone (iphone 5 or Samsung 3 or 4) in Thailand to use there and then bring it back to use in the US? If so, what are the prices for the phones? I usually buy a cheap phone when in Thailand or other countries and then most times give them away when I leave.
Any input would be appreciated. Thanks
[QUOTE=Hobbyist2; 1407463]Is it possible and legal to buy an unlocked smart phone (iphone 5 or Samsung 3 or 4) in Thailand to use there and then bring it back to use in the US? If so, what are the prices for the phones? I usually buy a cheap phone when in Thailand or other countries and then most times give them away when I leave.
Any input would be appreciated. Thanks[/QUOTE]Just buy a Nexus 4 from Google for $300. It's already unlocked and can be used in Thailand or anywhere else for that matter.
To answer one of your questions, yes it's legal.
[QUOTE=RBDave; 1407467]Just buy a Nexus 4 from Google for $300. It's already unlocked and can be used in Thailand or anywhere else for that matter.
To answer one of your questions, yes it's legal.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your reply. The Nexus looks good and I may get one of those. However, still hoping someone will know latest prices in Thailand for iphone 5 w16 GB and the Samsungs. My google search showed they are quite pricey there.
Everything is the same price that you would buy it in the states for except it would already be unlocked. No problem unlocking a phone in the States these days. Just call them and they wil send you the code immediately. Where the problem lies in the States is that only T-Mobile and AT&T have phones that use SIM cards. So if you have another carrier, buying an unlocked phone won't do you any good when you get back home anyway.
[QUOTE=Hobbyist2;1407474]Thanks for your reply. The Nexus looks good and I may get one of those. However, still hoping someone will know latest prices in Thailand for iphone 5 w16 GB and the Samsungs. My google search showed they are quite pricey there.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Travelerl49;1407708]I'll be in BKK in June 14-17 and was a debating a day trip to Pattya. Haven't been there since 1989. Is it worth it?[/QUOTE]That is a personal decision. If I had not been to a place since 1989 then I would definitely want to check it out to see how it has changed. If you do, then write a report afterwards to let us know how it turned out.
[quote=mr enternational;1407547]everything is the same price that you would buy it in the states for except it would already be unlocked. no problem unlocking a phone in the states these days. just call them and they wil send you the code immediately. where the problem lies in the states is that only t-mobile and at&t have phones that use sim cards. so if you have another carrier, buying an unlocked phone won't do you any good when you get back home anyway.[/quote]i currently use straighttalk. the problem there is that the only good smart phones they offer are the iphones and i was told by a walmart employee that they can't be used outside of the us due to being locked. i will have to call them and see if i get one of their iphones if it can be used outside the us. i hate to admit it, but this will be my first smart phone so i am not up to speed on everything related to this stuff yet. net10 is similar and also owned by the same company and they will accept an unlocked gsm phone, so i may just get the nexus 4 and go with them.
thanks for your input.
[QUOTE=Travelerl49; 1407708]I'll be in BKK in June 14-17 and was a debating a day trip to Pattya.
Haven't been there since 1989.
Is it worth it?
I will have every piece of ass at my disposal in BKK.
Also, if any of you know of any great GFE girls for 24 hours, let me know.
I'll wine her, dine her and take her shopping as well.
Looking for top shelf hot, not wornout gogo girl and definitely no SW.
PM me.
Thanks,
Jim[/QUOTE]I am here now and thinking it is better than ever. Not too crowded really and plenty of girls. If you do try, come the night before and walk around and if you know where to go it will be easy as pie to find a 24 hour shag.
But you sound very particular, so good luck finding what you want if you have limited time. I am with a SW extremely cute and fresh from Isaan now and for the past 2 days, and having one of my best times of my life. One of the best GFE ever. Check out her ass in the Pattaya section. But, I am sure someone will PM you with info. on the model quality girl you are seeking. HAHAHAHAHA.
[QUOTE=Travelerl49; 1407708].
I will have every piece of ass at my disposal in BKK.
Also, if any of you know of any great GFE girls for 24 hours, let me know. Jim[/QUOTE]Well, which one is it? If you have every piece of ass at your disposal why do you need ask for a GFE ass? Getting tired of same sex ass?
Ok, you guys got me on this one.
I took it today just for fun. It is very efficient and took 45 mins from Nana to airport. Just the one transfer at Phaya Thai.
It just looked like you may have to pull you luggage up or down stairs at PT stop. But maybe elevator I did not see.
Other than that, what a great alternative for less than 100 B.
45 mins?
Did you wait? Or ride a non express.
Seemed to me I was there in no time
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1409387]Ok, you guys got me on this one.
I took it today just for fun. It is very efficient and took 45 mins from Nana to airport. Just the one transfer at Phaya Thai.
It just looked like you may have to pull you luggage up or down stairs at PT stop. But maybe elevator I did not see.
Other than that, what a great alternative for less than 100 B.[/QUOTE]I'm sure I have seen an elevator at Phaya Thai.
Regards,
BJ
[QUOTE=Jp Slicky; 1409436]45 mins?
Did you wait? Or ride a non express.
Seemed to me I was there in no time[/QUOTE]Yes.
I paid for the express, but it was delayed. Took the normal route which still ain't bad. I think the express would cut about 10-12 minutes off.
the past 11 days were awesome. at the airport now to head home unfortunately.
i think this place is better than ever. girls were great, prices still good. everything was super. eating, drinking, getting massages, going to the movies, and fucking. what a place.
never had any problems or terrible service. many nice gfe's.
my total was 25 fucks and 2 bbbj's (bliss and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s). the highlight was my lt for 2 days in pattaya.
already planning my trip for june.
if any of you are in town next week, good luck with songkran.
remember:
cum one.
cum all.
cum in pussy!
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1409499]The past 11 days were awesome. At the airport now to head home unfortunately.
I think this place is better than ever. Girls were great, prices still good. Everything was super. Eating, drinking, getting massages, going to the movies, and fucking. What a place.
Never had any problems or terrible service. Many nice GFE's.[/QUOTE]Thank you for dispelling the myth that Bangkok isa disaster for punting (and eating, drinking and getting massages). Too many posters revel in tales of long gone days.
And seem never to have moved out of the Vietnam time warp.
Bangkok was great in the 80s and is still great 30+ years later.
Going to BKK and propably Patts in may. I will go to mp:s, SOL, Beergarden, maybe I will give Annies a try and also try some SW:s. Normally I am a jeans and t-shirt / tennis shirt person. When I have been in BKK before I usually wear nice knee long shorts or what we call pirate jeans, that is semi long jeans a little bit under knee.
Do you think the girls / women look me down wearin this style?
You guys who go here often, what do you wear normally?
[QUOTE=Travelerl49;1409511]What that means is that in BKK I will have plenty of ass at my disposal. Is a trip to Pattya worth it, with all the ass in BKK.[/QUOTE]By that logic I should never leave my hometown because I have plenty of women at my disposal there. There are women everywhere. It's always worth it to see new places. Besides you are not going to fuck 24 hours / day. It's PattAya by the way.
Since I can't bang 24/7 where do you guys suggest I go to buy fake purses (gifts) , fake men's designer sunglasses, toys, and iPhone cases. I will be there in 3 weeks and I was told the MBK but are there any other or better places to go?
Thanks in advance,
[QUOTE=Dextro Sol; 1409607]Going to BKK and propably Patts in may. I will go to mp:s, SOL, Beergarden, maybe I will give Annies a try and also try some SW:s. Normally I am a jeans and t-shirt / tennis shirt person. When I have been in BKK before I usually wear nice knee long shorts or what we call pirate jeans, that is semi long jeans a little bit under knee.
Do you think the girls / women look me down wearin this style?
You guys who go here often, what do you wear normally?[/QUOTE]MPs: dress does not really count. You see people wearing all kinds of dress.
Agogo clubs: I usually wear full length trousers and a shirt.
Most important is that your clothes are clean and they do not look you have been sleeping in them for the past week.
[QUOTE=Dextro Sol; 1409607]Going to BKK and propably Patts in may. I will go to mp:s, SOL, Beergarden, maybe I will give Annies a try and also try some SW:s. Normally I am a jeans and t-shirt / tennis shirt person. When I have been in BKK before I usually wear nice knee long shorts or what we call pirate jeans, that is semi long jeans a little bit under knee.
Do you think the girls / women look me down wearin this style?
You guys who go here often, what do you wear normally?[/QUOTE]I have spent about a total of 80 days in Thailand in 3 trips, so I am not the expert. However, I wear shorts usually at the knee or a little above and T-shirt or nice short sleeve shirt. I have never worn long pants even though I always bring some with me. I have been in the Beergarten and NANA and other places including various massage joints and always had ladies trying to get me to take them. It's more about money than fancy clothes. I also have observed a lot of other guys and most dress in similar attire. I also have to say that I have never been to any high end night clubs, so there may be some dress codes there. Maybe some residents will post with more details. I can also say from my experience that Patts is much more casual than Bangkok.
If you have been there before, did you have issues with ladies not wanting to go with you? I don't think you need to be too concerned about your clothes, just have money and have fun.
[QUOTE=Nclpimp; 1409621]Since I can't bang 24/7 where do you guys suggest I go to buy fake purses (gifts) , fake men's designer sunglasses, toys, and iPhone cases. I will be there in 3 weeks and I was told the MBK but are there any other or better places to go?
Thanks in advance, [/QUOTE]Try Pantip Plaza or the sidewalk vendors in lower Sukhumvit.
[QUOTE=Dextro Sol; 1409607]Going to BKK and propably Patts in may. I will go to mp:s, SOL, Beergarden, maybe I will give Annies a try and also try some SW:s. Normally I am a jeans and t-shirt / tennis shirt person. When I have been in BKK before I usually wear nice knee long shorts or what we call pirate jeans, that is semi long jeans a little bit under knee.
Do you think the girls / women look me down wearin this style?
You guys who go here often, what do you wear normally?[/QUOTE]I am no expert but have flown in and out of BKK quite a lot the last 7 years and for mongering around in various bars and go go`s no dresscode is demanded as far as I know. I wear like you some pirates and a decent t-shirt walking around in BKK daytime, afternoon and early eve. I am not a big go go, mp visitor or a barfiner for that matter but I have been around enough to atleast see there isn`t such thing as a exact dresscode.
I am more familiour with the big high end nightclubs and if it is not an exact dresscode you will sure feel lonely in flip flops and a colourful bermuda. By high end nightclubs I speak of Demo, Narz, Slim&Fix, Levels (atleast a new hangout place) and so on. Here I have only seen people in cool fashion clothes and I believe that's the unwritten code. For more mongerpeople hangouts clubwice as in Climax, Shock69, Infinity and so on I see some people in rather shabby outfits and even if it is in places like this mostly freelancegirls I believe a nice casual dresscode will be to your benefit while interact with these girls (as they can choose due to the female / male rate).
As for me in nightclubs I change into new t-shirt, decent jeans and a nice pair of nice shoes. Atleast I do fine in many ways dressing like this and I also feel ok wearing nice clothes. But I guess everyone decide for themself. This is not an exact science.
[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1409621]Since I can't bang 24/7 where do you guys suggest I go to buy fake purses (gifts) , fake men's designer sunglasses, toys, and iPhone cases. I will be there in 3 weeks and I was told the MBK but are there any other or better places to go? Thanks in advance,[/QUOTE]Have you ever tried in being paid with fake money?
[QUOTE=Dextro Sol; 1409607]Going to BKK and propably Patts in may. I will go to mp:s, SOL, Beergarden, maybe I will give Annies a try and also try some SW:s. Normally I am a jeans and t-shirt / tennis shirt person. When I have been in BKK before I usually wear nice knee long shorts or what we call pirate jeans, that is semi long jeans a little bit under knee.
Do you think the girls / women look me down wearin this style?
You guys who go here often, what do you wear normally?[/QUOTE]If you want to look like a complete dick, by all means run around BKK in shorts, sandals and a too-tight "I Love Thailand" t-shirt. Extra points will be given for a backwards baseball cap.
The locals won't say anything to your face, but they do have a name for the guys who dress like this.
Look around and, generally speaking, the only locals wearing shorts in BKK are the very poorest laborers. You'll find that you will get a bit more respect (for lack of a better word) if you go around in jeans and a button-up shirt. Slacks and collared shirt at the higher end establishments are an even better idea.
The girls in the go-gos and MPs won't care much, but you won't be in them 100% of the time. Oh, and do NOT run around shirtless.
Now Pattaya is a beach city, and beach attire is the norm. You'll look really out of place in slacks and a shirt. Not unwelcome, just out of place.
[quote=phordphan;1409677]i you'll find that you will get a bit more respect (for lack of a better word) if you go around in jeans and a button-up shirt.[/quote]in reality? or just the idea in your mind that you're being respected more?
in some countries i agree it makes a big difference how you dress.
i'm not 'fully' convinced that thailand is one of those.
to me, me findings in many countries is that our attitude is the deciding factor for locals.
we may be dressed like a **** boy, but if we interact in a polite way this seems to be key.
although i accept that for some things (embassies, other official places) it's time to ditch the holiday gear.
[quote]oh, and do not run around shirtless.[/quote]agreed 100% on that. it even seems bizzare to even see it on ko samui, away from the beaches.
(also saw one russian girl wearing a bikini while walking around in tesco lotus. lol)
[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1409677]If you want to look like a complete dick, by all means run around BKK in shorts, sandals and a too-tight "I Love Thailand" t-shirt. Extra points will be given for a backwards baseball cap.
The locals won't say anything to your face, but they do have a name for the guys who dress like this.
Look around and, generally speaking, the only locals wearing shorts in BKK are the very poorest laborers. You'll find that you will get a bit more respect (for lack of a better word) if you go around in jeans and a button-up shirt. Slacks and collared shirt at the higher end establishments are an even better idea.
The girls in the go-gos and MPs won't care much, but you won't be in them 100% of the time. Oh, and do NOT run around shirtless.
Now Pattaya is a beach city, and beach attire is the norm. You'll look really out of place in slacks and a shirt. Not unwelcome, just out of place.[/QUOTE]To each their own on this, but I think you give good advice. In fact I never wear shorts in BKK. Nice jeans and a collared shirt. That is just me.
In Pats more casual with nice shorts, but always a collared shirt.
Everyone is different, but I suggest you don't wear a too tight t-shirt that has some fucked up logo on it, jean shorts, and sandals with high socks?
I see dudes with this and they wonder why girls won't go with them.
It is all about the money, but if you look like you don't have any then expect the end result. It may all sound stupid to some trying to look nice for a $17 fuck. But, I think most guys who do have better luck.
Also, my experience is that Thai girls do not like facial hair. Especially a 2 or 3 day growth. They don't like to kiss that or have it on their pussy.
Yes, we all know most of these girls are impoverished. But, they can spot what in their thinking is a loser. Use good common sense and don't look like one and be nice to them. A GFE is easier to catch this way I think.
Just my opinion.
PS: One other thing. They are hookers, but no matter where they come from they do not seem to like a dirty mouth. Swearing with them gets you nowhere.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1409717]Also, my experience is that Thai girls do not like facial hair.[/quote]That's true, but then their culture (and other parts Eastern Asia) seems to idolise feminine looking males in the various forms of media so it's more to do with cultural conditioning really. Infact, the same could be said of Western Culture increasingly now. In Thailand when mongering, as you say, it's all about the money anyway so it doesn't matter if we're just going to working Girls.
On one visit to Thailand I arrived with a wild Beard that was from the 10 Commandments, and other times with no facial hair, or light stubble. Observations were it didn't seem to make the slightest difference to purchasing success, prices, attitude or the age group that I ended up having sex with on those various visits. What they seem to like and remember is my overall personality first and foremost, and tend to remember things like the eyes, from my experience. Reading the eyes is something I find they do a lot.
I appreciate it certainly would matter if I was trying to date a 'civvie' so to speak, in Thailand, due to the prevailing preference in the culture but I'm not prepared to completely change my appearance in a major way just to appease Working Girl's preferences.
But that's just me.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1409677]If you want to look like a complete dick, by all means run around BKK in shorts, sandals and a too-tight "I Love Thailand" t-shirt. Extra points will be given for a backwards baseball cap.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Luvpuss;1409717]To each their own on this, but I think you give good advice. In fact I never wear shorts in BKK. Nice jeans and a collared shirt. That is just me.[/QUOTE]Slacks, a nice looking shirt [B]with[/B] A collar, good grooming and a pleasant manner go a long way in Bangkok. All Thais, not just the SW respond positively to people who take pride in their appearance. Read a few articles on Thai culture. Thais are a very class conscious people. If you look like a "better class of person" they will treat you as such.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1409717]Everyone is different, but I suggest you don't wear a too tight t-shirt that has some fucked up logo on it, jean shorts, and sandals with high socks?[/QUOTE]The high socks part is more favoured by German tourists. This is a joke and not an indication of racism.
Regards,
BJ
[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1395030]That was pretty funny LP. My favorite Blonde joke.[/QUOTE]ANOTHER GOOD BLONDE JOKE.
A blind man enters a Ladies Bar by mistake.
He finds his way to a barstool and orders a drink.
After sitting there for a while, he yells to the bartender,"Hey, you want to hear a blonde joke?" The bar immediately falls absolutely quiet.
In a very deep, husky voice, the woman next to him says,"Before you tell that joke, sir, I think its fair given that you are blind, you should know five things."
1. The bartender is a blonde woman.
2. The bouncer is a blonde woman.
3. I'm a 6 feet tall. 220 lb. Blonde woman with a black belt in karate.
4. The woman sitting next to me is blonde and a professional weightlifter.
5. The lady to your right is a blonde and a professional wrestler.
Now think about it seriously, Mister. Do you still want to tell that joke?
The blind man thinks for a second, shakes his head, and declares,"Nah, not if I'm going to have to explain it five times."
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1409717]To each their own on this, but I think you give good advice. In fact I never wear shorts in BKK. Nice jeans and a collared shirt. That is just me.
In Pats more casual with nice shorts, but always a collared shirt.
Everyone is different, but I suggest you don't wear a too tight t-shirt that has some fucked up logo on it, jean shorts, and sandals with high socks?
I see dudes with this and they wonder why girls won't go with them.
It is all about the money, but if you look like you don't have any then expect the end result. It may all sound stupid to some trying to look nice for a $17 fuck. But, I think most guys who do have better luck.
Also, my experience is that Thai girls do not like facial hair. Especially a 2 or 3 day growth. They don't like to kiss that or have it on their pussy.
Yes, we all know most of these girls are impoverished. But, they can spot what in their thinking is a loser. Use good common sense and don't look like one and be nice to them. A GFE is easier to catch this way I think.
Just my opinion.
PS: One other thing. They are hookers, but no matter where they come from they do not seem to like a dirty mouth. Swearing with them gets you nowhere.[/QUOTE]I think your statement about long pants is not the norm for most farangs. At least from what I have seen being in the places I stated in my earlier post. I agree with the part about sandals with socks. How gross! I also agree about some ragged and filthy looking shorts and shirts. I have heard ladies talking about guys who look like filth and who stink. Even with money, not many ladies would go with them. I think what the OP described would not have any impact on his ability to get ladies who would be very happy to accompany him. At least that is what I have experienced having never worn long pants in Thailand.
Now about the beard. Have you ever been there with a full beard? You make a blanket statement that just is not the fact. I have been there with a full beard (well trimmed) and not. I agree that Thai's in general do not like facial hair, but not all. I had women from bars chasing me down the streets many times to get me to take them and sometimes I did due to their enthusiasm. Also there are some who actually like it. I know because they told me so. One lady I took said her father had a mustache and she liked facial hair. Occasionally I would get some who wouldn't want to go with me, but that was so rare that it wasn't even an issue for me. There were always many more who would. A few told me that I am very handsum man, but I would be more handsum if I shaved. Yet they still wanted to go with me. I only took one lady who played the no kissing game with me in the room, but in the bar she was DFKing me like long lost lovers. I booted her out and she gave me my BF money back before she left or I was going back to the bar with her to get it.
[quote=luvpuss; 1409499]the past 11 days were awesome.
my total was 25 fucks and 2 bbbj's (bliss and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s).[/quote]25 in 11 days? like achilles, son of peleus,"i'll remember the name"
maybe it is just me but for two weeks you'll find me like a horny goat foaming at the mouth doing it every day twice or more a day, and then a week or more where everything eases off considerably. occasionally i've slept with girls during those times as a one off, but it really is a 'can take it or leave it' situation. if the 'porn' mind isn't keen on that, my wallet loves it during those 'down times'.
[QUOTE=Hobbyist2; 1409972][B] Snip [/B]
Also there are some who actually like it. I know because they told me so. One lady I took said her father had a mustache and she liked facial hair. Occasionally I would get some who wouldn't want to go with me, but that was so rare that it wasn't even an issue for me. There were always many more who would. A few told me that I am very handsum man, but I would be more handsum if I shaved. Yet they still wanted to go with me. I only took one lady who played the no kissing game with me in the room, but in the bar she was DFKing me like long lost lovers. I booted her out and she gave me my BF money back before she left or I was going back to the bar with her to get it.[/QUOTE]I just want to point out just because they say they like something doesn't mean they actually like it. I'm fat and hairy and guess what, ladies say they like that as well,"So sexy".
They are good at telling customers what they want to hear.
I have no doubt at all, though, that plenty of women will go with guys with beards. It's the money they like.
Which guys a girl will go with depends greatly on the girl's financial situation at the moment. Some really cute girls have no problems getting men, so they can be a bit more picky.
Specifically regarding facial hair, it may just limit what activities one can do with the girl. The other night, I had a 1. 5 day old growth, and after I was done, I saw the girl had a red upper lip from my stubble. While kissing her, at no time did I think I was causing her trouble, but it was obvious that there was some irritation. The same is true of DATY. I was going down on one girl, and was having fun when I rubbed her the wrong way, so to speak, and that was it. In that case, I believe it was her stubble, not mine because I had shaved recently. I think it had more to do with my technique in comparison to her girlfriend's.
[quote=coconut cream; 1409690]in reality? or just the idea in your mind that you're being respected more?
in some countries i agree it makes a big difference how you dress.
i'm not 'fully' convinced that thailand is one of those.
to me, me findings in many countries is that our attitude is the deciding factor for locals.
we may be dressed like a **** boy, but if we interact in a polite way this seems to be key.
although i accept that for some things (embassies, other official places) it's time to ditch the holiday gear.
agreed 100% on that. it even seems bizzare to even see it on ko samui, away from the beaches.
(also saw one russian girl wearing a bikini while walking around in tesco lotus. lol) [/quote]yes, in reality. it's often subtle, but it's there.
if you show up in bkk in shorts, t-shirt and flip flops you're branded a sex tourist. rightly or wrongly. as mr. k pointed out, th is a very class conscious society and a dude dressed like this is obviously low class. now if you're going to spend 100% of your time in hooker bars, you can practically run around naked.
having said all this, obviously tit, and there is always lots of "it depends." there are times in bkk when shorts are fine. i am not an expert in all the cultural nuances. i often take dress cues from my middle-class gf. we both take pains to ensure i don't look like the typical [i] farang kee nok. [/i] when traveling upcountry, she insists shorts are fine if the weather is hot. in bkk, sometimes it's ok, sometimes not.
so, not to belabor the point, but i think it's a good idea to develop a general rule. in bkk long pants and collared shirt, politeness and cleanliness, go a long way. so, unless circumstances dictate otherwise (songkran come to mind), this general rule will work well. you can generally go anywhere and do anything and not feel out of place.
[QUOTE=Coconut Cream; 1409723]That's true, but then their culture (and other parts Eastern Asia) seems to idolise feminine looking males in the various forms of media. In Thailand when mongering, as you say, it's all about the money anyway so it doesn't matter if we're just going to working Girls.[/QUOTE]To help things along with the girl of your choice, you could carry her handbag like the pussyboys in Singapore do.
Always had to laugh when the gal packed her Hermes Birkin bag (about the size of an ocean liner) and asked her sweet pussy boyfriend to carry it for her all day.
But then these pussyboys seem to attract some nice gals so maybe theres method in the madness.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1409737]Slacks, a nice looking shirt [B]with[/B] A collar, good grooming and a pleasant manner go a long way in Bangkok. All Thais, not just the SW respond positively to people who take pride in their appearance. Read a few articles on Thai culture. Thais are a very class conscious people. If you look like a "better class of person" they will treat you as such.[/QUOTE]Americans and Brits for years had a built in advantage with beautiful asian women, as they were often given the attributes and images created in the studio backlots of Hollywood and Pinewood, but while today the model with the younger girls is now changing to a more eastern (male) centric focus, the western legacy is still there. Dress like this and you can work the Coconut Bar or any upscale club in Bangkok, its a universal dress code [url]http://geekoverture.com/files/2012/07/BOND.jpg[/url]
Thank you guys for all input about my question about dresscode.
I agree with most of you about long pants, for me I prefer jeans. I also think a nice short arm shirt or tennis shirt (sua polo in thai) would be ok. I saw some of you were joking about shoes. What is ok and not about shoes. Sandals without socks, is that ok? Or is it only shoes and socks that counts?
A few years ago I was with a pretty classy hooker for a few days in BKK. She told me that this is my holiday, not work, so I should really dress in those pirate jeans I use to. Maybe its a bit different to visit SOL daytime and nana plaza in night time.
[QUOTE=Western787; 1410258]Americans and Brits for years had a built in advantage with beautiful asian women, as they were often given the attributes and images created in the studio backlots of Hollywood and Pinewood, but while today the model with the younger girls is now changing to a more eastern (male) centric focus, the western legacy is still there. Dress like this and you can work the Coconut Bar or any upscale club in Bangkok, its a universal dress code.
[url]http://geekoverture.com/files/2012/07/BOND.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]Yes, and Caucasian facial features and fairer complexion are coveted; and many Asian women who can afford it subject themselves to cosmetic procedures to acquire these attributes.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1410069]We both take pains to ensure I don't look like the typical [i] Farang kee nok. [/i][/quote]Going by the general feedback from expats, I get the impression (perhaps wrongly) that foreigners (either short term visitors or those living in the country) are ultimately classified as 'Barbarians from over the sea', regardless of what we do, because it boils down to us simply not being Thai. Maybe that isn't the case, but I do wonder how effective it really is to attempt to win their favour in varoious ways. It seems that most people around the world do warm to foreigners over time, after having known them personally on a daily basis. For short visits and every day encounters with strangers, I just question if it really makes as big a difference as believed. Having said that, it can only be true that people will make snap judgements about people's based on clothing and categorize them based on this. After all, it's exactly the same in Britain, which has this operating at a very strong level too.
[quote]politeness and CLEANLINESS, go a long way.[/QUOTE]Both those more than anything else seem to be 'immediately' effective, I agree.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1410084].you could carry her handbag like the pussyboys in Singapore do.[/QUOTE]Hi. Well, it was mentioned in most post really just to point it out, as to why it seems facial hair is not liked as much in east asia. In some ways I find the more gentle personality of some Thai males to be far more relaxing to be around than many males in my country (Britain) and societys like Russia, who feel this need to 'exhibit' 'manliness' at each and every opportunity to onlookers.
[QUOTE=Dextro Sol; 1410322]Thank you guys for all input about my question about dresscode.
(snip)
I saw some of you were joking about shoes. What is ok and not about shoes. Sandals without socks, is that ok? Or is it only shoes and socks that counts?[/QUOTE]Sandals with nice clothes seem rather strange. I always wear light tan colored canvas combat boots. I never got any complaints anywhere and they give me good traction on the treacherous sidewalks of Bangkok. But then again, I never go to discos and do not dance. Add a light khaki colored pair of cargo pants and a ditto collared shirt with rolled up sleeves and shoulder straps, it looks somewhat like a retired army officer (which is not even too far off the truth). You know how much the Thai like rank, authority and class: at my age any little advantage I get to appeal to the Thai ladies, is a good thing. ;)
[QUOTE=Dextro Sol;1410322]A few years ago I was with a pretty classy hooker for a few days in BKK. She told me that this is my holiday, not work, so I should really dress in those pirate jeans I use to. Maybe its a bit different to visit SOL daytime and nana plaza in night time.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you can waltz into SOL in any kind of dress or undress and they wouldn't blink an eye.
Where can travellers cheques be purchased in Bangkok near to NEP?
I get a kick out of the complaints on here.
I went back to 2007 and the same BS was going on then.
You could put those posts in today and it would seem current.
How Thailand is a shell of it's former self.
Guys complaining all the Arabs and tourists.
Complaining about 600 B BF and 1500 B ST 2500 B LT and paying 4000 B at soapies.
How the girls attitudes are bad.
Review some of the posts and the prices the girls are asking are basically the same.
Yeah, I know the dollar has slid. But the girls don't care about that shit.
I am sure 1975 was different. OK, a loaf of bread was 19 cents then and my house cost me $30,000 and is now worth $500,000.
For the "overall" vacation and mongering experience, Thailand is still the best spot in the world in my opinion.
If I read the data correctly the thai baht was 25 to the US$ and 44 to the GBP in 1990. Not much different today.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1410679]I get a kick out of the complaints on here.I went back to 2007 and the same BS was going on then.[/quote]I kind of agree about some complaints, and how easy it is to slide into the mindset. Recently I went way back in the archives for several areas of the country here around 2003 and yes the same kind of comments were doing the rounds back then about a decline in quality of girls, etc etc, posted by people during the days I today feel were the better times, so it puts everything into perspective really. Having said that, there are some things which to me are undeniable, such as far fewer of the younger and pretty ones entering the arena now, less enthusiasm in 'catching customer' now. Young, Pretty and Enthusiastic can still be found (luckily, or I'd be out of here already) in the offerings, but not as immediately visible as before when browsing. I also find myself spending far more here than ever before, each day. To sum it up, yes still an enjoyable place to holiday (great food, great beaches, and a general 'live and let live' view of foreigner's antics) but has now started to outprice me if I want to treat myself.
[quote]For the "overall" vacation and mongering experience, Thailand is still the best spot in the world in my opinion.[/QUOTE]For 'overall' vacation, yes I agree. For mongering though, we may be witnessing the twilight years. We'll see.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1410679]I get a kick out of the complaints on here.
I went back to 2007 and the same BS was going on then.
You could put those posts in today and it would seem current.
How Thailand is a shell of it's former self.
Guys complaining all the Arabs and tourists.
Complaining about 600 B BF and 1500 B ST 2500 B LT and paying 4000 B at soapies.
How the girls attitudes are bad.
Review some of the posts and the prices the girls are asking are basically the same.
Yeah, I know the dollar has slid. But the girls don't care about that shit.
I am sure 1975 was different. OK, a loaf of bread was 19 cents then and my house cost me $30, 000 and is now worth $500, 000.
For the "overall" vacation and mongering experience, Thailand is still the best spot in the world in my opinion.[/QUOTE]I definitely think things have changed since 2004, particularly the attitudes. Back then, I remember 1500 long time was an acceptable price for a Pattaya beer bar girl, and 2000 agogo. However, just last year, I was quoted 2000 LT from an agogo girl, so it was still possible even then.
With respect to attitude, it could be that since I'm less of a catch each passing year, the girls see more more of a person to get money from than a person to be with for fun. Many of the hot girls "don't do short time". Some it's because they have boyfriends (or in the case of a really hot girl named Nan, a girlfriend) , but many know they can potentially get a second customer that night making more money.
Again, this doesn't mean good attitudes aren't to be found. I BFed a girl from an agogo in Pattaya the other night that I thought was fantastic. Great looks, great personality, and great performance. I would have continued to bar fine her, but she went home for Songkran yesterday. The bad news is, she won't return until after I leave Pattaya, the good news is she will be back when I return. And she does doubles with her (real) sister;"I boom boom sister, jing. Hehehehe" as she held her fingers in the form of a V with her tongue out between. I plan on being in her bar at 9pm then next time I'm here. Hopefully she (and her sister) won't be on multi day barfines then.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1410679]I get a kick out of the complaints on here.
Complaining about 600 B BF and 1500 B ST 2500 B LT and paying 4000 B at soapies.
How the girls attitudes are bad.
Review some of the posts and the prices the girls are asking are basically the same.
Yeah, I know the dollar has slid. But the girls don't care about that shit.
I am sure 1975 was different. OK, a loaf of bread was 19 cents then and my house cost me $30, 000 and is now worth $500, 000.
For the "overall" vacation and mongering experience, Thailand is still the best spot in the world in my opinion.[/QUOTE]One more thing regarding price. Yes, the price of mongering in Thailand has gone up. Not only is the Baht stronger, the cost of living in Thailand has also gone up. Most Thais work on a very low margin of profit. Once their costs go up, they have to raise prices to maintain a living. Since gasoline has gone up a great deal over the last few years, everything is more expensive.
[quote=coconut cream;1410451]going by the general feedback from expats, i get the impression (perhaps wrongly) that foreigners (either short term visitors or those living in the country) are ultimately classified as 'barbarians from over the sea', regardless of what we do, because it boils down to us simply not being thai. maybe that isn't the case, but i do wonder how effective it really is to attempt to win their favour in varoious ways. it seems that most people around the world do warm to foreigners over time, after having known them personally on a daily basis. for short visits and every day encounters with strangers, i just question if it really makes as big a difference as believed. having said that, it can only be true that people will make snap judgements about people's based on clothing and categorize them based on this. after all, it's exactly the same in britain, which has this operating at a very strong level too.[/quote]i agree. in asia, you'll always be an outsider, simply because you don't look like everybody else. as such, there will always be a bit of the "barbarian" mentality that you describe.
it's hard to quantify, but the gf says that when you go around dressed like a beach bum (while not at the beach) , with a butt-ugly bar girl draped over your arm, you are immediately branded as an insane cretin. if you dress reasonably neatly, and your lady isn't dressed like a tramp, your seen in a better light and treated better by those with whom you interact. i admit that some of the cultural nuance may be lost on me, as it probably takes a lifetime to learn. but she insists that it's there.
i guess the overarching point is that, when traveling, i try not to be too offensive to the host country. i had a long conversation with an elderly lady a few months back. she was living in bkk with her husband in the early 1960s as part of the un, or something. her two kids were born in bkk. anyway, she described to me how farang were treated then, and it was just unbelievable. white folks were something of a novelty. today, the farang has such an image problem. fat, tattooed drunks running around half naked, with obvious bar girls in tow, seem to be an all too common sight. it seems the past decade, or so, has seen a major influx of the "lowest common denominator" of the farang tourist. so, imho, anything we can do to try to reduce that stereotype is a good thing.
[quote=coconut cream; 1409690]in reality? or just the idea in your mind that you're being respected more?
in some countries i agree it makes a big difference how you dress.
i'm not 'fully' convinced that thailand is one of those.
to me, me findings in many countries is that our attitude is the deciding factor for locals.
we may be dressed like a **** boy, but if we interact in a polite way this seems to be key.
although i accept that for some things (embassies, other official places) it's time to ditch the holiday gear.
agreed 100% on that. it even seems bizzare to even see it on ko samui, away from the beaches.
(also saw one russian girl wearing a bikini while walking around in tesco lotus. lol) [/quote]the world and the people in it are myopic and only see what they've been told to dress and hair is the first thing people see and it takes less than 3 seconds for first impressions to be solidly made. sure you may act like royalty but you may already be written off so if one cares about such things then dress is essential.
imagine walking to into a nana bar and sitting next to a handsome 32 year old caucasian male wearing a white dress shirt with a necktie opened, hanging down the sides of his chest with 3 buttons open as well, well polished black dress shoes, suit jacket folded on his lap, rolex watch sipping a scotch. conclusion would be immediate and possibly accurate.
same same. one should dress how one wants to be perceived. all countries participate, you just have to learn the rules.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1411233]Today, the farang has such an image problem. Fat, tattooed drunks running around half naked, with obvious bar girls in tow, seem to be an all too common sight. It seems the past decade, or so, has seen a major influx of the "lowest common denominator" of the farang tourist. So, IMHO, anything we can do to try to reduce that stereotype is a good thing.[/QUOTE]Rings true that, very clearly. My belief is that the sheer variety of people who come to Thailand must also be extremely confusing for Thais to deal with, and probably explains why increasingly they 'seem' jaded with the falang. One minute they'll meet a polite quiet type who knows some of the cultural nuances, and the next second they'll encounter a brutish lout riding around shirtless plastered in tattoos and yelling his head off like a lunatic at nothing in particular (relating an incident I saw not long ago here while on the road).
Maybe some will disagree, but in the past of travel there was usually one type of person (colonial armies, aside) who could travel. Which was those who could afford it, and generally because they belonged to a more refined class of personality and upbringing. Now all sorts are making their way out, globally. Luckily, in most places where mass tourism hasn't hit, things are far less impact. I'm not a big earner by any means, but it would be fair to say I was brought up well of how to interact with people and to be sensitive to cultural expectations.
It certainly seems true that in Thailand there are a lot of people who don't have a damn clue, whatsoever, of how to behave with people not of their own culture or how to resolve problems without getting ugly. It is cringeworthy to witness, and because of that yeah I can understand more so now the need you've mentioned to try and separate ourselves from all that and the assumptions some Thais may make that we're all one and the same.
If the kind of things we wear may help in creating a distinction between visitor 'types', then I subscribe to your approach.
Cheers for the post, and this response also can be a response to Rjsss212's post.
I have visited Thailand twice now. Both times spending most of my time staying in Bangkok at the Livingstone Lodge and had a great time. I plan on staying there next trip to Thailand as well but not for the whole trip. I would like to visit other parts of the country but still stay in at a place that is as comfotable and offer the same services. Does any one know of any places that are like the Livingstone in other parts of Thailand.
Thanks for any info.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1411233]I had a long conversation with an elderly lady a few months back. She was living in BKK with her husband in the early 1960s as part of the UN, or something. Her two kids were born in BKK. Anyway, she described to me how farang were treated then, and it was just unbelievable. White folks were something of a novelty. Today, the farang has such an image problem. Fat, tattooed drunks running around half naked, with obvious bar girls in tow, seem to be an all too common sight. It seems the past decade, or so, has seen a major influx of the "lowest common denominator" of the farang tourist. So, IMHO, anything we can do to try to reduce that stereotype is a good thing.[/QUOTE]You must mean like this image:
[url]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/06/16/article-1287193-0A0B1990000005DC-324_468x564.jpg[/url]
[QUOTE=Western787; 1411746]You must mean like this image:
[url]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/06/16/article-1287193-0A0B1990000005DC-324_468x564.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]That is a real "cheap Charlie"! Not willing to spend 20 baht on the songthaew.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1411748]That is a real "cheap Charlie"! Not willing to spend 20 baht on the songthaew.[/QUOTE]LOL, here is the corresponding article back in 2010.
[url]http://www.sinlung.com/2010/06/perversion-of-paradise-thousands-of.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Western787; 1411750]LOL, here is the corresponding article back in 2010.
[url]http://www.sinlung.com/2010/06/perversion-of-paradise-thousands-of.html[/url][/QUOTE]Here's the first in a series of YouTube segments about Thai women searching for farang husbands. It's been on YouTube for some time so many of you may have already viewed it. If not, you may find it interesting, though the plot is as you would expect.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STCpKDAmKSs[/url]
[QUOTE=Harold444;1411848]Nobody is forcing these butt-ugly bar girls to go with the guys you described. They need each other. Do you think a thai man is going to build a house for a butt-ugly bar girl. LOL.[/QUOTE]Mai kow jai. What's your point?
[QUOTE=Harold444;1411848]Nobody is forcing these butt-ugly bar girls to go with the guys you described. They need each other. Do you think a thai man is going to build a house for a butt-ugly bar girl. LOL.[/QUOTE]A Thai man is probably not going to build a house for a beautiful bar girl either and I am quite sure he is willing to consider marrying an ugly daughter of a rich and hi-so family. In Thailand marriage is still very much a matter of economy and prestige. A rich Thai man can still take a mia noi or (if not so rich) visit one of the many Thai brothels.
[QUOTE=Western787; 1411746]You must mean like this image:
[url]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/06/16/article-1287193-0A0B1990000005DC-324_468x564.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]I agree with the "elderly lady". Bangkok in the mid 60's was then, from what I read about today, an entirely different place. Yes, the bar girls were there and there were places to go that were crazy but it was a little lower key and not as "in your face". Sex tourists didn't exist, at least not in the open, but of course the Viet War was in full swing, and when the GI's got out of Viet an leave with money in their pocket it could get wild. I was a Sergeant in the US Air Force at the time and lived "on the economy" in military terms, IE:,"I had an apartment". Even in those days however, if you didn't have a lot of money, there was not much to do except Drink and FxxK, of which I did my share! But the way I was treated by the Thai people was wonderful and the people I met were fantastic. I spent some weekends at the Chairman of the Thai Senates home in Pattaya (nothing there at that time) , went to large high level political dinners, water skied with the Chief of the Bangkok Police and President of the Singha Brewery and on and on. I don't believe and of that could happen today-perhaps we have truly become "The Ugly American".
Comment on the photo: I saw similar things happened when I was there, but it would have been just playing around and not out in the bright light of day. IE:, pick up your GF and fooling around carry her for a bit with both laughing. Maybe that is what was going on in this picture, who knows, but it shouldn't have been on a main street in the middle of the day.
[QUOTE=MrClen; 1412129]I agree with the "elderly lady". Bangkok in the mid 60's was then, from what I read about today, an entirely different place. Yes, the bar girls were there and there were places to go that were crazy but it was a little lower key and not as "in your face". Sex tourists didn't exist, at least not in the open, but of course the Viet War was in full swing, and when the GI's got out of Viet an leave with money in their pocket it could get wild. I was a Sergeant in the US Air Force at the time and lived "on the economy" in military terms, IE:,"I had an apartment". Even in those days however, if you didn't have a lot of money, there was not much to do except Drink and FxxK, of which I did my share! But the way I was treated by the Thai people was wonderful and the people I met were fantastic. I spent some weekends at the Chairman of the Thai Senates home in Pattaya (nothing there at that time) , went to large high level political dinners, water skied with the Chief of the Bangkok Police and President of the Singha Brewery and on and on. I don't believe and of that could happen today-perhaps we have truly become "The Ugly American".
Comment on the photo: I saw similar things happened when I was there, but it would have been just playing around and not out in the bright light of day. IE:, pick up your GF and fooling around carry her for a bit with both laughing. Maybe that is what was going on in this picture, who knows, but it shouldn't have been on a main street in the middle of the day.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the 50 year old update.
I bet you miss those days.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1412216]Thanks for the 50 year old update.
I bet you miss those days.[/QUOTE]Don't cast too many stones, Mr. DSM-IV 302. 89.
IMHO, you're lucky somebody didn't beat the sh*t out of you.
[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1412403]Don't cast too many stones, Mr. DSM-IV 302. 89.
IMHO, you're lucky somebody didn't beat the sh*t out of you.[/QUOTE]Hold your horses big boy.
I was serious about the info from 50 years ago.
It was interesting reading.
Sorry you can't figure it out.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1412422]Hold your horses big boy.
I was serious about the info from 50 years ago.
It was interesting reading.
Sorry you can't figure it out.[/QUOTE]My apologies if I misinterpreted it as sarcasm.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1412445]My apologies if I misinterpreted it as sarcasm.[/QUOTE]No worries.
I probably should have written it differently.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1412422]Hold your horses big boy.
I was serious about the info from 50 years ago.
It was interesting reading.
Sorry you can't figure it out.[/QUOTE]I just typed a nice long reminiscing piece on BK 50 years ago. But for some reason it was kicked out. I saw that it was "auto saved". Does anybody have an idea on how to recover this "auto save". This is not the first time this has happened to me.
[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1412403]Don't cast too many stones, Mr. DSM-IV 302. 89.
IMHO, you're lucky somebody didn't beat the sh*t out of you.[/QUOTE]Is he still lucky?
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1412506]Is he still lucky?[/QUOTE]As far as not getting beat up for the skytrain incident? Yes, definitely! :D
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1412608]As far as not getting beat up for the skytrain incident? Yes, definitely! :D[/QUOTE]HAHA.
Trust me, I am not the first guy to cop a feel on the Skytrain.
She could have moved away. Maybe she liked it?
But by the size, it could have been LB. In that case I did it a favor. HAHA.
at the risk of inviting board wrath for submitting a query, has anyone else experienced the following?
like more than a few others here, after a couple of past very rare but completely unexpected no shows ([i]ready for action mentally but the raised sceptre of love decided not to play ball for whatever reason[/i]) during payed encounters, it is not unusual for me now to down 50mg of whatever variation of sildenafil citrate when mongering, merely as an insurance policy when it comes to paying for short time encounters. although i appreciate that such an insurance policy is a habitual trap to fall into, at least my mind can be at rest prior to encounters that the little fella won't decide to go on industrial action at the wrong moment.
everything is ok with using it (downing a big glass of water and a paracetamol at the same time) but after boom boom with the last couple of girls, in the shower afterwards within minutes of finishing, a small bruise has appeared on my willy (worry not, you will be spared a macro photo for illustrative purposes) akin to a burst blood vessel under the surface.
nothing raised, just a darkish bruise colour just under the surface. my guess was that although i'm not majorly clued up on our anatomy, because the penis is a sponge form that fills / expands as we're aroused, perhaps the sildenafil citrate is simply working 'too' effectively for my actual needs and has caused this?
with the first one, my thought was that this was a bruise that was going to last for a week or more and would invite some curiosity from other girls, but the first one only lasted a day or so before almost vanishing. last night after another boom boom, a new one appeared (albeit far smaller) in another area, after the other had vanished. perhaps i should add that the condoms i'm using seem an ok fit for me, sometimes slightly short but width wise don't feel restrictive on me really, and although the last two girls have had nice tight pussys (yipee) nothing 'so' tight that it would cause such an issue (well, i assume so at least).
finally, nothing alarming as there is no pain, nothing raised, and i'm just curious if others have had this when using (or not using) sn? i'm considering perhaps giving the sn a rest, perhaps a good move as it has become a bit of a habit of purchasing a back up performer when in reality, once in the bedroom the little fella will walk onto the stage and bring the house down all on his own.
I will be in BKK from 5/7- 5/12. If you would like to meet up for drinks pm me. First time there but been mongering all over the world. Would love to swap stories.
I started this a few days ago, but just when I was finishing something ate it. So I'll try again.
First a little history about me: I lived in BKK for one year in the USAF, I was a SSgt and lived on the economy (shared an apartment with a buddy) , not too far from the Soldiers Monument. Wasn't really much of an apartment, one room up and one room down, no AC, etc, but did have a phone. I worked in the comm center at the Air Base and worked with a group of Tech Reps and was picked up and returned by their van, so never had to worry about transportation except for nights out.
I wasn't much of a monger in those days, but then you didn't have to be! There were so many women and so few men that you never had to worry about company for the night. Most of the WG's just wanted a place to sleep and shower, as result I never paid for pussy and there was always more than I could handle (I was a young guy then and could handle quite a bit). If any mongers memories go back far enough, this was during the Viet war. The US military in Viet got leave and would come to BKK with months of pay in their pocket and fresh from stomping through the mud in Vietnam and seeing some of the shit they saw, were just a bit crazy. Living there however, I knew my way around and the girls knew they were there one day and gone the next-they of course took them for all the $$$ they could-nothing easier than a drunk, crazy, horny GI! However, even with all the Military coming and going, there were still way too many girls!
I used to frequent a bar (forgive me if I don't remember the names or spelling correctly) called Hollywood. It had the typical girls dancing (with each other) with numbers on and if you saw one you liked the "boy" would shine his flashlight on her to come over. My buddy and I would go in and drink and listen to the music (not too bad as I remember) but never call over a girl. They knew us as locals and would come and sit until they were told to get back up and dance. In the back of this club there was a pool where during the day the WG's would sit around, splash in the pool, eat and nurse any bad heads that occurred during the previous night. This was not an area where any but a very few of the "locals" could go to, it was kind of a private area for the girls. Virtually nothing risque ever happened around that pool other than a few jokes and playing around-it was just a bunch of cute girls (some in swimsuits and others in street clothes) , and maybe 2 to 4 Americans sitting around and having some fun. Thinking of it now, it was like escaping from the craziness that could be only a few feet away or was going to happen when it got dark and the girls went back to "work".
After having a few cokes (we would sneak in our own liquor into the bar as we didn't have enough money to buy mixed drinks) , it would get late enough to head over to Therme's or Thai Yonuke where the girls would all go after the clubs closed. As I said before, there were so many girls that usually there wasn't even standing room so if you wanted a place to sit you got there a little early. Normally the GI's on leave didn't even know these places existed and there might a ratio of 50 to 1 girls to guys that included the overflow onto the sidewalk. There were a couple other places we used to go, one called the Red & Blue (where you could actually have a quiet beer) , A coffee shop close to the TV studio I don't remember the name of, but the hottest women you ever want to see came there (I never had one from there although the scenery was fantastic!).
When we were totally bored with the main street scene, (and believe it or not, all there really was to do on my limited funds was to fxxk and drink, and it could get boring) , we would go to the seedy bars on the waterfront, (Read OFF LIMITS) and hang out with the merchant seamen from all over the world (and of course there were girls there also) , only you did have to be a little careful, fights could, and did, break out over almost anything in the blink of an eye.
For a classy break and coffee, we would go the outside seating area of the Oriental Hotel. When there, it was a different world, there was no war, no WG's, no drunks, etc. I used to waterski fairly well and we (my buddy) and I would go to a place upriver called "Jeanie Waterski", and it was there where we met some of the very wealthy and influential people in BKK and Thailand (there are many more stories to this, but that's enough for now). If I get some interest from this I'll continue, if not, I enjoyed memory lane.
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[QUOTE=Scorchin1470;1410699]If I read the data correctly the thai baht was 25 to the US$ and 44 to the GBP in 1990. Not much different today.[/QUOTE]True, but the Thai baht prices then were half of what they were today. A ST was 500 baht in a gogo bar. Beer was 40-60 baht.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1413271]True, but the Thai baht prices then were half of what they were today.
A ST was 500 baht in a gogo bar. Beer was 40-60 baht.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Various other factors need to be taken into account.
Yesterday I read on the forum (I forget where, and when it was posted) someone claiming that Thailand is now the most expensive places in Asia for payed Sex (local dive brothels, aside). On first reading, that didn't sound like it would be true, would perhaps it would be good to examine (perhaps a cross forum survey of total costs) if that is true or not, especially for men who choose the Beer Bar route with drink costs lady drinks, bar fines etc. Discounting big cities like Hong Kong, Singapore etc, maybe it is now? Last year in Indonesia, mongering was more friendly on my wallet. Granted, the situation / feel of things was different than in Thailand, and I suppose other factors also need to be taken into account when looking at areas / prices and value for money from service etc.
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[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1413554]Jackson may delete this I guess.
I have been avoiding #9 on my bucket (fuckit) list. It is to fuck a LB in ass. You have to admit some are attractive.
I don't want anything in my ass. But, I am thinking maybe it if she just sucked my cock, then I turned her over and fucked the ass.
But I do not want to see cock. Not at all.
If I don't see, feel, or suck cock, I think I can do without feeling fag.
I don't know.[/QUOTE]Hahahahaha!
What's #10 on your list? A sheep?
Maybe if you did one blindfolded you wouldn't feel like a beast.
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[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1413554]Jackson may delete this I guess.
I have been avoiding #9 on my bucket (fuckit) list. It is to fuck a LB in ass. You have to admit some are attractive.
I don't want anything in my ass. But, I am thinking maybe it if she just sucked my cock, then I turned her over and fucked the ass.
But I do not want to see cock. Not at all.
If I don't see, feel, or suck cock, I think I can do without feeling fag.
I don't know.[/QUOTE]I was close once in BKK when I did a rookie mistake and brought back a LB to loom. A very beautiful thing but after making out a bit and I felt a dick I panicked and threw him / her out of the loom. I have to admit it also crossed my mind in an instant maby he / she could atleast BBBJ me but I guess as every cell in my body are very heterosexual, it was my body's own rescuemechanism taking control from my twisted mind.
[QUOTE=Skogis;1413582]I was close once in BKK when I did a rookie mistake and brought back a LB to loom. A very beautiful thing but after making out a bit and I felt a dick I panicked and threw him / her out of the loom. I have to admit it also crossed my mind in an instant maby he / she could atleast BBBJ me but I guess as every cell in my body are very heterosexual, it was my body's own rescuemechanism taking control from my twisted mind.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your honesty.
Thanks
[QUOTE=MrClen;1413230]If I get some interest from this I'll continue, if not, I enjoyed memory lane.[/QUOTE]Fantastic recollection of an earlier time, such reports among other things providing historical context and making excellent legacy reading for someone plumbing the treasure trove of information available on this site. They're also useful in trying to predict how certain less developed southeast asia regions will continue to evolve going forward, the only places left in fact that might offer anything approaching the 50 to 1 ratios you allude to, and something probably most of us fantasize about at some point. As for waterskiing, must have been a lot less pollution then, and perhaps less crocs or whatever hanging around.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1413554]I don't know.[/QUOTE]Go ahead and do what pleasures you, is my suggestion. Go Greco-Roman, and put pleasure first.
Announcing Heterosexuality to others in advance, is not something they would have felt a need to do.
In those days, it is generally agreed that it was for purely practical reasons.
Women could get pregnant, which was not always desired. Young Boys and Mates, could not. Fun Fun Fun!
[i]"Up to you"[/i] (in a Thai accent).
[QUOTE=Coconut Cream; 1413305]Exactly. Various other factors need to be taken into account.
Yesterday I read on the forum (I forget where, and when it was posted) someone claiming that Thailand is now the most expensive places in Asia for payed Sex (local dive brothels, aside). On first reading, that didn't sound like it would be true, would perhaps it would be good to examine (perhaps a cross forum survey of total costs) if that is true or not, especially for men who choose the Beer Bar route with drink costs lady drinks, bar fines etc. Discounting big cities like Hong Kong, Singapore etc, maybe it is now? Last year in Indonesia, mongering was more friendly on my wallet. Granted, the situation / feel of things was different than in Thailand, and I suppose other factors also need to be taken into account when looking at areas / prices and value for money from service etc.[/QUOTE]Malaysia & Macau, amongst other Asia destinations, such as those you mentioned, are generally more expensive than Thailand for the cost of mongering itself. They will also cost more for sex tourist related items like hotels, food, etc.
I'm not sure if even Cambodia or the Philippines is any cheaper than LOS. For example, I'd suggest a better deal on a hotel of the same quality can be found in Bangkok rather than Angeles City, PI.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1413238][url]http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/w4m/3754358886.html[/url]
Craigslist Ad from today.
I have used CL a couple of times over the years and never been disappointed.
She doesn't look too shabby.[/QUOTE]Can you give more detals?
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1413238][url]http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/w4m/3754358886.html[/url]
Craigslist Ad from today.
I have used CL a couple of times over the years and never been disappointed.
She doesn't look too shabby.[/QUOTE][url]Http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/3758564213.html[/url]
Shabby is in the eye of the beholder!
[QUOTE=TConor; 1413732][url]Http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/3758564213.html[/url]
Shabby is in the eye of the beholder![/QUOTE]She'll even service you in office toilets LOL
[QUOTE=MrClen;1413230]If I get some interest from this I'll continue, if not, I enjoyed memory lane.[/QUOTE]Hi.
Great story. Hope you continue with them.
[QUOTE=MrClen;1413230]If I get some interest from this I'll continue, if not, I enjoyed memory lane.[/QUOTE]Oops. I missed this on the first go-round. Please continue!
[QUOTE=TConor; 1413732][url]Http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/3758564213.html[/url]
Shabby is in the eye of the beholder![/QUOTE]Not even with a stolen dick.
Office toilet? Puhhhleeezzee!
[QUOTE=TConor;1413687]Can you give more detals?[/QUOTE]The Ad was removed I guess.
But she was very cute.
[QUOTE=TConor; 1413732][url]Http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/3758564213.html[/url]
Shabby is in the eye of the beholder![/QUOTE]The photo is very dark and I cannot see her face.
But her tits look nice.
I would cum in her mouth. No problem.
[QUOTE=Harold444;1413742]I'm pretty sure this is the guy who convinced Tony H to go looking for 8s and 9s in beer garden type places. LOL.[/QUOTE]No, it was Skogis!
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1413890]No, it was Skogis![/QUOTE]Hey hey take a break guys. I said on occations a 8 to 9 girl could be found in BG not that it is crowded by such quality. But the quality isn't so bad as some people claim either. It is far better than the CL girl in general, hehe, maby not boobwice.
[QUOTE=Skogis;1413949]Hey hey take a break guys. I said on occations a 8 to 9 girl could be found in BG not that it is crowded by such quality. But the quality isn't so bad as some people claim either. It is far better than the CL girl in general, hehe, maby not boobwice.[/QUOTE]Hmm.. I can still recall the bad breath of the 30+ BG lizard who zoomed in on me (a poor BG n00b) on my first (and probably last) visit. On a positive note she offered BBFS / CIP, if creampieing is the BG norm maybe that's what makes Skogis biased in favor of the place :)
Since I did generate a bit of interest, I'll continue with more of BKK in the golden days.
When I first got to BKK the USAF was billeted in the Trocadero Hotel. I didn't actually stay there very long as it being a military hotel there were many things you could not do (I was almost busted for bringing (read sneaking) WG's into the hotel). Got them in OK, but was too drunk to attempt to get them back out again, so they got caught and so did I when they led the AP's to the room! Down the street and around the corner was the Oriental Hotel which sat on the river. You could catch a water taxi there to go many places in BKK via the klong's (read canals).
Water Skiing on the ChowPyha (spelled wrong of course) river. We used to go up river to what was called the Water what (a temple that sat on the river) and there catch a water taxi (5 baht) to cross the river. This was far enough up the river that sometimes you could see 3 or 4 feet into the water, not clear, but cleaner! Little Thai kids by the dozen used to swim in the river (lived in the houses on the stilts) and swim out to the big tub barges that went up and down the river connected by a single, very worn, very large, hawser. There would be 50 feet or 100 feet more between barges and these kids would swim out to the hawser that, due to the distance, hung in the water. As many as possible would hang on the hawser and ride with the barge up or down river. Some period of time later, you would see the same group riding another barge in the return direction. I always wondered how kids they lost, but never heard of any getting killed. I only mention it now because it amazed me then and still does! The place was called Jeanie Water Ski, and had floating docks (bundles of bamboo) , with tables set up on them and 14 foot ski boats tied up to them. I think they had about 4 to 6 boats with 75 HP Mercury motors on them. There were steps that went up to an open air veranda where you could watch the traffic on the river, sit under ceiling fans, get something to eat, drink a Singha, etc. When you wanted to ski, you called a "boy" and he would then bring you the ski's you wanted to use, they had many types and sizes, when you jumped in the water a clock keeper who sat on the veranda, timed you and your cost was 2 baht per minute, I think that was 10 cents. If you were a good skier, your hard skiing time in the water might be 5 or 10 minutes. Back to the dock, off the clock, and onto your cold Singha. Wasn't a bad way to spend the day, and you could spend 5 to 10 dollars for the whole day, including food, beer, skiing, etc.
It was at Jeanie Water Ski where my buddy and I met the Chairman of the Thai Senate, the Chief of the BKK police (he was an avid long distance water skier, not real good at slalom, but boy could he hang on!) , the President of the the Singha Brewery (he had a small Bertram boat) , VP of the BKK Bank, VP of Thai International Air, the Vice Air Marshall, and many others. These "friends" made for some very unusual and unique times in Thailand and some not very many people get to experience (no mongering involved however so they could be boring to serious mongers out there!). My inadvertent involvement with the boating death of the son of the owner of Jeanie's, opened up a new world and my buddy and I were suddenly included in many "Thai only", parties, dinners, fund raisers, etc, that we would have never seen had this terrible accident not happened.
I had a GF (not GFE) , who worked in a jewelry shop called Princess (I think) , and between WG's and some heavy drinking I would "date" her. Took quite a bit of time but finally did her and took her cherry. To this day, I kind of wish I hadn't, as there were "good girls" and WG's, and the "good girls" were saving the prize for their husband and I definitely wasn't that. Oh well, hard telling that to the little head when you are in the heat of the moment.
All my time in Thailand I never used a condom, AIDS didn't exist, but the Clap did and I had my one round with it. Fade to a massage parlor close to Therme's, upstairs. There was a WG there that was in Therme's many times when I was there and always wanted me to go the the massage with her (no money, just go with her). Great body, and cute, and some English-well eventually I said OK in a weak moment (it seems looking back that I had a lot of those) I went with her. Up to her room, not bad, clean, with a big bathtub. DFK and mutually undressed and into the bath. One deed in the tub, quite a bit of water splashing but tight pussy, great boobs, and a good fxxk, although fairly straight. Out of the tub, dried, and onto her massage table for a second round. Another good, but not exceptional fxxk. Her pussy was one of those well trained pussies that could contract, release, and squirm with you inside, this made for a very interesting fxxk as I remember. A weird thing, to this day, when she got out of the tub and dried both of us off, she put her bra back on, no panties, just her bra. I always wondered the why of that, but was too interested in the pussy part of it to worry much. Anyway, a few days later, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and pain were working together. Off to the clinic and a couple of shots and all was well. I told her I had caught the clap from her and she went to the clinic and was taken care of, but I never took her again. Never occurred to me to use a condom-duh!
I found that almost all of the WG's at that time were into just mish or doggie, and I don't really remember many who would CG or BJ or much else for that matter. But then, I was not that demanding and was just interested in the act, not the finesse of it or the embellishments. I think I have gotten more astute and attuned to what I like, expect, and want than I was in those younger, less jaded, days.
Enough for now-I'll continue with a few more details in the next few days. Mrclen
[QUOTE=Coconut Cream;1413644]Go ahead and do what pleasures you, is my suggestion. Go Greco-Roman, and put pleasure first.[/QUOTE]Aside from the obvious fact that they are not women, there's an equally important reason: HIV prevelance is actually (along with IV drug users) very very high with this group, and since Luvpuss just posted on the Burma site about his concerns about alleged high HIV rates in Myamar, I would think he would at least have 2nd thoughts
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1413660]Malaysia & Macau, amongst other Asia destinations, such as those you mentioned, are generally more expensive than Thailand for the cost of mongering itself. They will also cost more for sex tourist related items like hotels, food, etc.[/QUOTE]I can't speak for Macau, but a couple of short time Ladies in Malaysia last year ended up around the same price as my usual expenditure for that here in LOS. Having said at, I did go for fairly cheap and cheerfull options in Penang though which were satisfying enough but there was much certainly better out there if one was willing to pay more, I hear. Going by the Malaysian thread, although they do occasionaly go the cheap cheerfull route, more of them seem to go the higher quality establishments and yeah then the prices just keep building. Food wise, Malaysia seemed to be around similar prices to Thailand on my last visit. At one time the country was seen as Thailand's expensive neighbour, but I would say things have since evened out now when it comes to some things.
[QUOTE=Western787;1413986]Aside from the obvious fact that they are not women, there's an equally important reason: HIV[/QUOTE]True, and something of him to take into account I guess.
But I get the impression his main concern was how it 'looked' to everyone else.
[QUOTE=Western787;1413986]Aside from the obvious fact that they are not women, there's an equally important reason: HIV prevelance is actually (along with IV drug users) very very high with this group, and since Luvpuss just posted on the Burma site about his concerns about alleged high HIV rates in Myamar, I would think he would at least have 2nd thoughts[/QUOTE]I think Luvpuss is just yanking our chains.
Let's hear what the first 8 items on his imaginary list are and forget he ever mentioned "love potion #9".
"On the streets of Kamathipura, it's no challenge for Aronson [Frontline Producer] to find sex workers to talk with. In a small gathering she asks them frankly about the core issues of their trade. Economics and health. The women get the equivalent of US$1. 50 for sex, $2 on a good night, less than a dollar on a bad night. To have sex without a condom, men will often pay more or, after a few visits, tell the women they love them. The women in the group laugh a bit about the men's proclamations of love, but there's a tragic fact behind their laughter: more than half of the sex workers here are HIV positive"
Raney Aronson,"India. The Sex Workers," PBS's Frontline, June 2004.
[url]http://prostitution.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000772[/url]
[QUOTE=Skogis;1413949]Hey hey take a break guys. I said on occations a 8 to 9 girl could be found in BG not that it is crowded by such quality. But the quality isn't so bad as some people claim either. It is far better than the CL girl in general, hehe, maby not boobwice.[/QUOTE]I fully agree. There are some past their selling date, with some still nicely shaped, and some quite decent, together with some who do not have anything to lose in a comparison with average bar / gogo's (not the type fully made up to cater at the Japanese). Surely they all come cheaper than in another joints.
The customer range is indeed quite "over retirement age", but, hey, we are all going to be there, one day.
I do prefer a girl in her 30, often more articulate in English too, to a young chick worth a parade and pictures, but not much articulate in bed activities. The young ones tend to have more customer rotations so tend to be also more time concerned. And rushed. The others are aware they have a lower scoring rate, so please the customer for repeats.
The ratio at BG is generally 'buyer market': the wise ladies know this and invest more in the customers who pick them.
[QUOTE=Skogis;1413949]Hey hey take a break guys. I said on occations a 8 to 9 girl could be found in BG not that it is crowded by such quality. But the quality isn't so bad as some people claim either. It is far better than the CL girl in general, hehe, maby not boobwice.[/QUOTE]LOL. Just bustin' balls. I couldn't resist. One day I'll find a hottie there and report back
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1414196]LOL. Just bustin' balls. I couldn't resist. One day I'll find a hottie there and report back[/QUOTE]That is what Beergarden is there for. The more beers the prettier they get. But don't do LT or you might be in for a surprise.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1414288]That is what Beergarden is there for. The more beers the prettier they get. But don't do LT or you might be in for a surprise.[/QUOTE]Friend of mine got a 30yo, nice, for LT and happy he was of her services and attidude. He overpaid a but more (3k) but did not have to have many drinks or BF around to find the bed mate. So at the end the costs ar not much different. Unless one is looking for a 30' job in a ST room for 1000
[QUOTE=MrClen;1413977]Since I did generate a bit of interest, I'll continue with more of BKK in the golden days.Enough for now-I'll continue with a few more details in the next few days. Mrclen[/QUOTE]Very nice to hear about the old days. Please continue.
For his vivid portrait of what Thailand was like "back in the day." Well written and evocative.
Thanks for taking the time to post.
Bunky
90 day reporting in for Thai Retirement Visa, the A-O Visa, if you live in BKK.
How do any of you living in BKK do it? Do you travel to boarder city?
[QUOTE=TConor; 1416271]90 day reporting in for Thai Retirement Visa, the A-O Visa, if you live in BKK.
How do any of you living in BKK do it? Do you travel to boarder city?[/QUOTE]People on retirement visas do not need to make a border run. They just report to the immigration office. It's people who are on tourist visas who have to leave the country and come back in. They could also go to the immigration office for an extention. Either way will take all day. I'm never in Thailand the full 30 days of my tourist visa so it is not a concern for me.
While we are on the subject, reading around the internet I see people always mentioning a 60 day tourist visa. In all of my days of entering Thailand 30 has always been written in the space for the alloted stay. What am I missing here?
A tourist visa through a Thai consulate will give you 60 days with the ability to extend it another 30 days by going to an Immigration office (and paying a fee, I think 1900bt). Cost of visa via a consulate is $40 for the 60 day tourist visa. Some consulates will allow you to get multiple tourist visas.
If you roll up to immigration upon arrival by air and are from one of 55 countries or so you'll get a 30 day visa. 15 days if at a border crossing.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1416527]While we are on the subject, reading around the internet I see people always mentioning a 60 day tourist visa. In all of my days of entering Thailand 30 has always been written in the space for the alloted stay. What am I missing here?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1416527]While we are on the subject, reading around the internet I see people always mentioning a 60 day tourist visa. In all of my days of entering Thailand 30 has always been written in the space for the alloted stay. What am I missing here?[/QUOTE]Here is a link that may help explain things. [url]http://www.thaiconsulatechicago.org/pages-visa-types-purpose-of-visit-fee-eng.html[/url]
You can do it by mail or go to the consulate and get one. I called the one in Chicago. I'm thinking about just going with the retirement visa.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1416495]People on retirement visas do not need to make a border run. They just report to the immigration office. It's people who are on tourist visas who have to leave the country and come back in. They could also go to the immigration office for an extention. Either way will take all day. I'm never in Thailand the full 30 days of my tourist visa so it is not a concern for me.[/QUOTE]I guess I asked the wrong question.
I know what you said and it's pretty easy if you are near an immigration office.
Is there an immigration office in BKK?
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1416527]While we are on the subject, reading around the internet I see people always mentioning a 60 day tourist visa. In all of my days of entering Thailand 30 has always been written in the space for the alloted stay. What am I missing here?[/QUOTE]In relationship to retirement Visa you will need a 60 day visa to apply for a Retirement Visa. This original Visa (60 days) in your passport is a main frame of applying for a retirement each year as you renew especially if it is in Pattaya Immigration. Every Provincal office usually required one or two different items.
Reporting every 90 days in Chon Buri, usually requires, front page of your passport, copy of your resident or hotel, apartment where you are staying, a copy of your departure card TM6, copy of entry stamp. No money is required just you time. The date provided for your next report you have 7 days before and 7 days after the stamp date after that you are fined for each day to the max of 2, 000 baht.
TCONOR, There are offices in BKK, it is by the way the capital! Do some Google?
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1416594]In relationship to retirement Visa you will need a 60 day visa to apply for a Retirement Visa. This original Visa (60 days) in your passport is a main frame of applying for a retirement each year as you renew especially if it is in Pattaya Immigration. Every Provincal office usually required one or two different items.
Reporting every 90 days in Chon Buri, usually requires, front page of your passport, copy of your resident or hotel, apartment where you are staying, a copy of your departure card TM6, copy of entry stamp. No money is required just you time. The date provided for your next report you have 7 days before and 7 days after the stamp date after that you are fined for each day to the max of 2, 000 baht.
TCONOR, There are offices in BKK, it is by the way the capital! Do some Google?[/QUOTE]Your handle is one of only 3 or 4 books I've read twice.
So Chon Buri and Pattaya have an immigration, boy you'd think BKK would too.
[QUOTE=TConor; 1416597]Your handle is one of only 3 or 4 books I've read twice.
So Chon Buri and Pattaya have an immigration, boy [I]you'd think BKK would too[/I].[/QUOTE]LOL. Maybe you should read his reply twice too since he told that there [B]are[/B] Said offices in BKK. You might want to visit the thaivisa. Com site for every little detail that you could imagine about visas. One thing that stands out after you've been here awhile is that the requirements vary from office to office no matter how the regulations are written, so be prepared and also be flexible and roll with it.
[url]http://www.cnbc.com/id/100685883[/url]
In case anyone didn't have anything else to worry about!
If you guys want to get together let me know.
[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1417587]If you guys want to get together let me know.[/QUOTE]Would be nice but according to my latest FR my GF is freaking flying into to BKK tomorrow early morning (I guess taking off right about now). How sick is that. Well well well. Good luck though!
[QUOTE=Skogis;1417590]Would be nice but according to my latest FR my GF is freaking flying into to BKK tomorrow early morning (I guess taking off right about now). How sick is that. Well well well. Good luck though![/QUOTE]I guess there will be no report on BASH this time.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1417594]I guess there will be no report on BASH this time.[/QUOTE]Nope you have to send someone else.
[QUOTE=Skogis;1417598]Nope you have to send someone else.[/QUOTE]I will check it out my self next month.
well, i guess i'll finish this up with what i remember from the old days. please forgive me if this is a bit disjointed as i am putting together what i remember.
as i had said before, i was in the usaf and stationed at the don muang airport. i lived very close to the soldiers monument in a very small apartment with a buddy. on the small amount of $$ we made in the military, sharing was the only way you could afford to have an apartment. now, if you wanted to, you could live in the military hotel, the trocadero, in bkk. but, wanting more freedom and play time, the apartment worked!
flew into bkk on a chartered jet with an exciting stop in vietnam, (think power dive to the runway, and the military people getting off in vietnam almost being thrown off the plane!) , wasn't on the ground in vietnam more than was absolutely necessary.
billeted (military word) , in the hotel until i hooked up with ken and we found an apartment we could afford. rented it from a young woman who worked at the airbase at the airport. she ended up being a good friend and we had a lot of good times with her-never any fxxdking but alot of just fun. around the corner from the hotel a young women ran a teak store-you know, bowls, carvings, etc. used to spend time there just talking with her as she had a great personality. there was antique shop close by that had stacks of real tiger skins along with ivory carvings, etc. has to be all gone now!
for the first month or two in bkk, and my not knowing very much (young and dumb) , did some sightseeing, temple visiting, and general running around. after getting into the apartment, things began to improve and my horizon's broadened. as my roommate and i usually worked different shifts, we would usually only overlap on days off and those were our "run them" days. i can remember several times when i would get in, intending to get some sleep because of the shift i was on, and ken would show up with a birthday present, i had several quite nice birthday presents this way! what can you say when a cute young thai girl wants to share your bed and all you have to do is lift the cover for her climb in, naked and after her shower, of course! how many of you can say that you didn't even have to get out of bed to get fresh pussy?
worked with the "tech reps" on the base and went out drinking (learned to drink chivas with them) , but didn't have the funds they had so couldn't hang with them too much. i remember three of them sharing a house and it was running women and booze 24/7! another one of the reps had an apartment in the "kings house", top floor, like a penthouse, huge, two story windows overlooking bkk. however, he didn't like to take home wg's as he couldn't get rid of them and many times would have to have them physically removed. a couple of the reps went every week to the "gold" shops. as i remember, they were all red inside with gold rings, chains, etc, all inside. they would buy, each week, links to the chains they wore on their neck. you could buy a 5 baht link or 50 baht link and up or down from there. the reps made quite good $$$ and remembering the size of gold chain they had and the number of links (oh, you could also trade in a long small link chain for a short, larger link chain so you keep buying longer and bigger gold) , i wonder what some of those chains would be worth today?
aside: i had a couple of "friends" that got into the drug scene fairly heavily, as anything you might want was very easily available. i never ventured down that path as in my wanderings up and down alleys i probably shouldn't have been in, i saw thai's (or something) smoking from rusty cans with rubber hose attached and rats chewing on their bloody feet-ewuee! if that doesn't put you off your feed, nothing will!
somewhat bored with drinking and fxxking almost every night, ken and i heard of this place where you could water ski, (see previous post). started to do some water skiing and found that the place was frequented by many upper class thai's. after a period of time we became accepted as part of their circle. this was how we (ken and i) , would go to pattaya to the chairman of the senates homes, and in his mercedes, dinners at very upscale thai homes, political dinners, etc, etc. during this time i was involved in a boating accident the killed the son of the water ski establishment. as we were directly involved and present when he was killed (accident). we were in a small boat owned by another thai water ski friend, and on the way to one of his restaurants to pick up some especially made dishes to bring back to jeanie's. passing under a bridge over one of the klongs, a pipe had broken loose and was hanging down. as we moving at a high rate of speed, you can imagine the results when it hit him in the head. enough on that episode, but we then had to be involved in the funeral, wake, etc, that went on for several days.
not to belabor any points, but the "good" girl i dated while there had a bullet wound in her lower abdomen and her brother was paralyzed from the waist down from bullet wounds. i asked, but never got it explained as to how it happened. i do remember that life seemed very cheap and supposedly if you wanted someone taken care of, the starting price was 5 us dollars.
when out and about, i either walked or took a taxi. normally there would be several taxi's lined up at key locations. just shout out where you want to go and how much you were willing to pay and after a bit of negotiation, off you would go. also i remember that you held your fare in your hand, and if he had an accident you were supposed to throw your money on the seat and take off running, but don't go in same direction as the taxi driver, because he is running also. supposedly (and i never found out if it was true) , because you had paid the driver to bring you there, you were responsible for the accident. but not paying for the taxi was an even bigger no no.
food in bkk. i don't remember eating much thai food that i can remember the names of, but always the soups were great and cheap. something stir fried with peanuts and served on the streets in a banana leaf was great-again very cheap. sweet iced coffee on the streets, served in a plastic bag with a straw, i have never been able to duplicate it. used to get a dish of something we called cowpod, basically fried rice with mystery meat and an egg on top, cheap and good. on the side of the road to pattaya, used to stop and pick up a length of bamboo that was hung over an fire (charcoal?) and inside was a mixture of sticky rice, coconut milk, and, but i remember it being very good! in those days in bkk, and probably still, you could get any type of ethnic variety food you might want. for a "real" sub, just go to the ""trolley" (owned by some person form san francisco) and was supposed to look like a sf trolley car, had a place for wonderful burgers, was told they were water buffalo burgers, but hell, they tasted great! the best french onion soup i have ever had was in bkk, the cheese covered toast on top never got soggy and was chrisp until the end. there were several places for steaks (don't really know what the meat was) , good italian and many many others. having eaten in several of the best restaurants in the world since then, i can say that the food in bkk was among the best i have ever had (of course being drunk and hungry may have clouded my judgements a bit). i remember restaurants i never went in, all white tile where the leftover food seemed to thrown on the floor, and if you needed to spit, just do it on the floor. when they cleaned the place, they had a large steam hose and hosed whole place down top to bottom and the garbage ended up in the street. i remember the toasted squid the thai's used to snack on! i took public transportation occasionally when i was really broke, and the smell of those squid would knock you down! whew!
girls in bkk. this will be the shortest piece of this narrative as every thai mongers knows the girls. they were there by the hundreds, never paid for pussy, there was just too much of it going around not used! much of the time they just wanted a clean bed, a good nights sleep, and a good shower. for that you were seen to be a king, and you had all the pussy a man could want. as they say, most of them look the same upside down! i don't remember ever getting a bj, but do remember some very good sex.
that's all!
[QUOTE=MrClen; 1418432]Food in BKK. I don't remember eating much Thai food that I can remember the names of, but always the soups were great and cheap. Something stir fried with peanuts and served on the streets in a banana leaf was great-again very cheap. Sweet iced coffee on the streets, served in a plastic bag with a straw, I have never been able to duplicate it. Used to get a dish of something we called CowPod, basically fried rice with mystery meat and an egg on top, cheap and good. On the side of the road to Pattaya, used to stop and pick up a length of Bamboo that was hung over an fire (charcoal?) and inside was a mixture of sticky rice, coconut milk, and, but I remember it being very good! In those days in BKK, and probably still, you could get any type of ethnic variety food you might want. For a "real" sub, just go to the ""Trolley" (owned by some person form San Francisco) and was supposed to look like a SF trolley car, had a place for wonderful burgers, was told they were Water Buffalo burgers, but hell, they tasted great! The best French Onion soup I have ever had was in BKK, the cheese covered toast on top never got soggy and was chrisp until the end. There were several places for steaks (don't really know what the meat was) , good Italian and many many others. Having eaten in several of the best restaurants in the world since then, I can say that the food in BKK was among the best I have ever had (of course being drunk and hungry may have clouded my judgements a bit). I remember restaurants I never went in, all white tile where the leftover food seemed to thrown on the floor, and if you needed to spit, just do it on the floor. When they cleaned the place, they had a large steam hose and hosed whole place down top to bottom and the garbage ended up in the street. I remember the toasted squid the Thai's used to snack on! I took public transportation occasionally when I was really broke, and the smell of those squid would knock you down! Whew!
Girls in BKK. This will be the shortest piece of this narrative as every Thai mongers knows the girls. They were there by the hundreds, never paid for pussy, there was just too much of it going around not used! Much of the time they just wanted a clean bed, a good nights sleep, and a good shower. For that you were seen to be a king, and you had all the pussy a man could want. As they say, most of them look the same upside down! I don't remember ever getting a BJ, but do remember some very good sex.
That's all![/QUOTE]Mmm. Yes. Khao Pad (insert meat here) kop khai. Literally fried rice with egg. The rice and bamboo thing is called khao laarm and is one of my very favorite snacks, especially if you can get it while it's still warm. I'm drooling now, just thinking about it.
You're so correct about the international food quality in BKK. It's often every bit as good as what you can find in the "originating" country. Unfortunately, with inflation and the weakness of the dollar, many of these places are just as expensive as the home country, too.
Thanks so much for your post and sharing your memories. The modernization of BKK has brought about many great things. But much has been lost, too.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1418773]You're so correct about the international food quality in BKK. It's often every bit as good as what you can find in the "originating" country. Unfortunately, with inflation and the weakness of the dollar, many of these places are just as expensive as the home country, too.[/QUOTE]In December I had dinner at Zuma in Bangkok. In January I had dinner at Zuma in Miami. Dinner for two at Zuma in Bangkok cost one third as much as a comparable dinner at Zuma in Miami. I had several other dinning experiences in Bangkok that were less than half as expensive as a comparable dinner in a fine restaurant in a major city in the United States.
[QUOTE=MrClen; 1418432]Well, I guess I'll finish this up with what I remember from the old days. Please forgive me if this is a bit disjointed as I am putting together what I remember.
That's all![/QUOTE]Very nice to read all this. A nice intermission and wouldn't mind reading other similar old experiences from others. Maybe the admin should open a "BKK: the way it used to be" or "BKK, once upon a time". These Asian destinations, maybe Vietnam would have this too, hit by the early westerners in the 50's through the '80's, had a lot of stories to tell to modern punters.
Thanks to everyone who bothered to read my rambling narratives of BKK and Thailand in general. While my experiences my not reflect those of others, I'm sure there are many overlaps and people who had similar experiences. I hope that the readers got as much pleasure out of reading them as I did trying to remember, as there were times it was a bit foggy. I don't know when and if I will ever get back to Thailand, but I still have hopes!
The one thing that could require a Thailand trip is that I require a luggage manufacturer for a special project and I hear that Thailand is a good source. So if any of the readers know of a quality luggage manufacturer in Thailand I would appreciate the information.
My travels these days are to China. 4 to 5 times each year, and Europe once or twice per year. I have not written anything on Europe in the forum, but have contributed to the China forum.
Play Safe,
MrClen
[QUOTE=MrClen;1418939]Thanks to everyone who bothered to read my rambling narratives of BKK and Thailand in general. Play Safe,MrClen[/QUOTE]Maybe at that time you did not even feel you were atnicipating the punter generation of the last two decades. There was no internet, no cell phones. So all was basic, super amateur (as opposite to have ISG at hands etc, making people more "aware and sort of professional"). No low cost flights, no mass tourism.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1416594]In relationship to retirement Visa you will need a 60 day visa to apply for a Retirement Visa. This original Visa (60 days) in your passport is a main frame of applying for a retirement each year as you renew especially if it is in Pattaya Immigration. Every Provincal office usually required one or two different items.
Reporting every 90 days in Chon Buri, usually requires, front page of your passport, copy of your resident or hotel, apartment where you are staying, a copy of your departure card TM6, copy of entry stamp. No money is required just you time. The date provided for your next report you have 7 days before and 7 days after the stamp date after that you are fined for each day to the max of 2, 000 baht.
TCONOR, There are offices in BKK, it is by the way the capital! Do some Google?[/QUOTE]Retiring in LOS is no good if you want to avoid paying Thai income taxes on non Thai income (such as a pension).
Better to spend up to 180 days a year there, then go to some other countries the other 185 days & pay no income tax.
Asia has plenty of other fine destinations. Besides doing the Same Same all the time in Siam gets boring.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1419149]Retiring in LOS is no good if you want to avoid paying Thai income taxes on non Thai income (such as a pension).
Better to spend up to 180 days a year there, then go to some other countries the other 185 days & pay no income tax.
Asia has plenty of other fine destinations. Besides doing the Same Same all the time in Siam gets boring.[/QUOTE]I knoe w of no Thai income taxes on non Thai income (such as a pension)!
[url]http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/06/18088680-settle-down-no-sex-superbug-in-the-us-despite-reports?lite[/url]
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1419149]Retiring in LOS is no good if you want to avoid paying Thai income taxes on non Thai income (such as a pension).
Better to spend up to 180 days a year there, then go to some other countries the other 185 days & pay no income tax.
Asia has plenty of other fine destinations. Besides doing the Same Same all the time in Siam gets boring.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=TConor;1419469]I knoe w of no Thai income taxes on non Thai income (such as a pension)![/QUOTE]Does anyone expect PP to actually know what he's talking about?
[QUOTE=TConor;1419470][url]http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/06/18088680-settle-down-no-sex-superbug-in-the-us-despite-reports?lite[/url][/QUOTE]The following comes from a New Yorker Magazine article published in October of 2012.
[I]"Natural selection has given rise to strains of the bacterium that are resistant, in varying degrees, to some or all of the treatments applied to them—sulfa drugs, penicillin, tetracyclines, fluoroquinolones, and macrolides. Now only one class of drugs, called cephalosporins—cefixime, a tablet, and ceftriaxone, administered by injection—is known to reliably treat it, and for several years resistance to cefixime has been rising. (In the lab, resistance is measured by testing how susceptible the microbe is to various concentrations of a drug.) Between 2000 and 2010, the number of cases of decreased cefixime susceptibility in California and Hawaii rose from zero per cent to more than four per cent and seven per cent, respectively, probably as a result of traffic from Asia, where cefixime resistance is more widespread. Five per cent is cause for concern; in August, the C. D. C. Recommended phasing out cefixime nationwide and, instead, treating gonorrhea with a combination of ceftriaxone and either azithromycin or doxycycline. According to a recent British report, last year eleven per cent of isolates of the microbe showed reduced susceptibility to cefixime; among gay men, the figure is seventeen per cent."[/I]
The first 16 words in this quote sum it all up. The bacteria are constantly evolving, prompting changes in the antibiotics used to treat them. Notice in August of 2012 the CDC recommended a new treatment protocol. The scary infections that are the ones you can contract during a stay in a USA hospital. Some of these are resistant to all know antibiotics.
I am not advocating unprotected sex. I am just providing some relevant information on the topic.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1419475]The following comes from a New Yorker Magazine article published in October of 2012.
The first 16 words in this quote sum it all up. The bacteria are constantly evolving, prompting changes in the antibiotics used to treat them. Notice in August of 2012 the CDC recommended a new treatment protocol. The scary infections that are the ones you can contract during a stay in a USA hospital. Some of these are resistant to all know antibiotics.
I am not advocating unprotected sex. I am just providing some relevant information on the topic.[/QUOTE]That means that having unprotected sex in a hospital is dangerous because of the bacteria in the hospital. LOL
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1419149]Retiring in LOS is no good if you want to avoid paying Thai income taxes on non Thai income (such as a pension).
Better to spend up to 180 days a year there, then go to some other countries the other 185 days & pay no income tax.
Asia has plenty of other fine destinations. Besides doing the Same Same all the time in Siam gets boring.[/QUOTE]Not sure what you are referring to? But I've lived here for a number of years and never have paid any
Income Tax!
[QUOTE=TConor;1419469]I knoe w of no Thai income taxes on non Thai income (such as a pension)![/QUOTE]This should get you boys started on the subject:
[url]http://www.siam-legal.com/Business-in-Thailand/thailand-income-tax.php[/url]
Let me know what you know after reading that.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1419627]This should get you boys started on the subject:
[url]http://www.siam-legal.com/Business-in-Thailand/thailand-income-tax.php[/url]
Let me know what you know after reading that.[/QUOTE]It says retirement payment and pensions are taxable. But if I bring my money in as savings why would that constitute as an income.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1419627]This should get you boys started on the subject:
[url]http://www.siam-legal.com/Business-in-Thailand/thailand-income-tax.php[/url]
Let me know what you know after reading that.[/QUOTE]According to that website, pension income received in Thailand is subject to income tax. You can always pay for everything with a US credit card that does not charge foreign exchange fees and have your US bank pay the credit card bill. That way, no income comes in to Thailand to be subject to be taxed. It also keeps your assets in a protected US bank account, since any attempt to seize your assets in a foreign country is often times subject to the whims of a corrupt judiciary.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1419682]It says retirement payment and pensions are taxable. But if I bring my money in as savings why would that constitute as an income.[/QUOTE]Here's an interesting take:
[url]http://msna.biz/tax-on-monthly-pension[/url]
According to this guy, ostensibly a Thai accountant, pensions, etc, are taxable only if they are earned and brought into Thailand in the same year. So, he offers a workaround. Interesting.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1419798]According to that website, pension income received in Thailand is subject to income tax. You can always pay for everything with a US credit card that does not charge foreign exchange fees and have your US bank pay the credit card bill. That way, no income comes in to Thailand to be subject to be taxed. It also keeps your assets in a protected US bank account, since any attempt to seize your assets in a foreign country is often times subject to the whims of a corrupt judiciary.[/QUOTE]I suppose this is a legal question, but I understand you are saying one can show sufficient income to qualify for a retirement visa, draw money from a US bank account (or British or Australian, etc.) to live on, and not be liable for Thai income tax. I'm not surprised as I've never heard of anyone on a retirement visa in Thailand paying Thai income tax. Nor have I ever read about this issue on websites pertaining to retirement in Thailand. And I have friends who are retired in Ecuador, Panama and Costa Rica who pay no income tax in those countries.
[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1419801]Here's an interesting take:
[url]http://msna.biz/tax-on-monthly-pension[/url]
According to this guy, ostensibly a Thai accountant, pensions, etc, are taxable only if they are earned and brought into Thailand in the same year. So, he offers a workaround. Interesting.[/QUOTE]The interesting element in this topic that is completely missing is any interest from the Immigration Department about helping Thailand to collect said taxes. Just today I renewed my retirement visa for the 5th time. Yes, I have to prove financial solvency but there is no mechanism to alert the tax folks. Considering the list of other requirements I doubt that this is merely oversight on their part. However my bank takes out tax from my interest every quarter and I think that's the end of that topic.
That someone can cite all the legal stuff they want as to application here in Thailand like many of you
And I know many Expats and not one I know pays any Income Tax here unless you are operating a
Business.
LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1420024]I know many Expats and not one I know pays any Income Tax here unless you are operating a
Business.[/QUOTE]Sure they do, it's impossible to get a work permit in Thailand without every year bringing the Proof you paid your income taxes. My guess is all your Farang Friends (like me also) have negotiated a salary net of taxes. It does not mean that the taxes are not being paid, it's just that the company pays them for me.
Unless all your friends work illegally with no work permit.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1419798]According to that website, pension income received in Thailand is subject to income tax. You can always pay for everything with a US credit card that does not charge foreign exchange fees and have your US bank pay the credit card bill. That way, no income comes in to Thailand to be subject to be taxed. It also keeps your assets in a protected US bank account, since any attempt to seize your assets in a foreign country is often times subject to the whims of a corrupt judiciary.[/QUOTE]That means you pay income tax (on the pension) in USA. So somewhere you pay a tax. Whether it is cheaper or better to pay in USA or Thailand is another story. The countries usually have (reciprocal) treats avoiding double taxation.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1420055]Sure they do, it's impossible to get a work permit in Thailand without every year bringing the Proof you paid your income taxes. My guess is all your Farang Friends (like me also) have negotiated a salary net of taxes. It does not mean that the taxes are not being paid, it's just that the company pays them for me.
Unless all your friends work illegally with no work permit.[/QUOTE]Gee, am I privelege that the Nic has come out of the woodwork to answer/
You are correct. I was generalising too much? In a business sure? A person needing a work permit working here sure?
But of course I might be wrong again the topic started regarding "Pensions" and taxations in this particular case the Expats that I know that are retired here and getting a pension I don't know of one that pays a Tax in Thailand required or not. Yes I do pay taxes on my investments income, Interest Income, in the USA as does many who reside on paper in their own country. But In Thailand, I don't pay a single baht except V. A. T, correction again, I do pay a little property tax on my rentals each year.
LBM
[QUOTE=Margaya; 1376850]For $4400 I can have 16-20 1 hour shots right here with choice of women from over 50 countries. That also means I can go for it when needed, noneed to starve for a year and over indulge at buffet.
I am begining to feel that Costa Rica is much better for folks from North America and that it ain't worth 4-5 k $.[/QUOTE]Until someone can show me another place I can get 2 hours PSE A level service, BBBJ, rimming, and MSOG with a cute girl for US$78 (Tulip, Mango, Snow White, Cherry) , or 90 minutes PSE A level service, BBBJ, rimming, toys, and MSOG with two bisexual girls for US$122-132 (Devil's Den / Eden) or even a simple one hour oily massage with HE from a lady under 40 years old for $30 or less (anywhere in Bangkok or Pattaya) Thailand is the country to beat IMO.
How much would any of these things cost in Costa Rica? Or would they be available at all?
At home I spend $100 a week on average just getting a crummy massage with a handjob from a Chinese MILF or sometimes GILF- this comes out to $5200 a year if I never splurge on extras like CBJ or full service.
I will be in Bangkok on Tuesday and have budgeted $2500 for an 8 day stay, my room was around $200, my airfare from the US was $930, just over $3600 total. I plan to have more than 52 orgasms (the number I have in a year for $5200 at home) in that 8 days with nearly as many women, and all of them will be younger, cuter and give better service than I could ever hope to find in for anywhere near the price.
Two hours with a cute 25 year old including MSOG, Anal, Rimming, BBBJ etc. Would cost a minimum of $400 where I live and probably anywhere in the US, Canada, or Europe. And a two girl lesbian PSE orgy ala Eden Club would be around $800 for 90 minutes here. This makes a $3600 week in Thailand look like a real bargain.
[QUOTE=Linkwray666; 1420658]Until someone can show me another place I can get 2 hours PSE A level service, BBBJ, rimming, and MSOG with a cute girl for US$78 (Tulip, Mango, Snow White, Cherry) , or 90 minutes PSE A level service, BBBJ, rimming, toys, and MSOG with two bisexual girls for US$122-132 (Devil's Den / Eden) or even a simple one hour oily massage with HE from a lady under 40 years old for $30 or less (anywhere in Bangkok or Pattaya) Thailand is the country to beat IMO.
How much would any of these things cost in Costa Rica? Or would they be available at all?
At home I spend $100 a week on average just getting a crummy massage with a handjob from a Chinese MILF or sometimes GILF- this comes out to $5200 a year if I never splurge on extras like CBJ or full service.
I will be in Bangkok on Tuesday and have budgeted $2500 for an 8 day stay, my room was around $200, my airfare from the US was $930, just over $3600 total. I plan to have more than 52 orgasms (the number I have in a year for $5200 at home) in that 8 days with nearly as many women, and all of them will be younger, cuter and give better service than I could ever hope to find in for anywhere near the price.
Two hours with a cute 25 year old including MSOG, Anal, Rimming, BBBJ etc. Would cost a minimum of $400 where I live and probably anywhere in the US, Canada, or Europe. And a two girl lesbian PSE orgy ala Eden Club would be around $800 for 90 minutes here. This makes a $3600 week in Thailand look like a real bargain.[/QUOTE]No responses? I guess the guy pretty much made his point!
Well done!
LBM
[QUOTE=Linkwray666;1420658]I will be in Bangkok on Tuesday and have budgeted $2500 for an 8 day stay, I plan to have more than 52 orgasms in that 8 days[/QUOTE]Somebody better call either Ripley's or Guinness or both.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1420929]No responses? I guess the guy pretty much made his point!
Well done!
LBM[/QUOTE]While the poster makes some interesting points, he doesn't address the time involved. Spending 30+ hours in an airplane and airports, plus the $1, 000+ airfare, for an 8-day vacation may not sound like a good idea to some. But I digress.
The numbers don't really add up unless you are a hard-core backpacker, or something.
The airfare is OK. That's a very good fare from North America, assuming that's where he's coming from.
I would like to see some photos of a $20 / night BKK hotel room. I have mental images that are not pretty. Maybe I'm wrong. I stay in maybe 2-star hotels in BKK, but I've never seen one for that kind of money.
Now 52 orgasms in 8 days. That's 6. 5 Os per day, every day, for 8 days. I daresay most board members can't do that. When I was 22 I could, but not for 8 days straight. If it's true, good on him. But, to me, it sounds a bit optimistic.
The remainder of the budget, $2500, comes to about 75, 000 baht using a generous exchange rate. That comes to about 9, 000 baht per day, BUT is 1, 400 per O. Of course, this includes food, transportation, bar fines, drinks, miscellaneous. Of course, some of this budget may also go for a better hotel, once he gets a load of the $20 per night joint. LOL.
My point is that, while a $300 per day budget is realistic, when you price it out by orgasm it becomes unrealistic. Time is another factor. 7 pops a day leaves very little time for anything else. One every 3 hours only leaves 3 hours for sleep.
Now, just my opinion, but traveling half-way around the world, just to see the inside of bars and a cheap hotels, for the sole purpose of screwing as many different girls, in as little time as possible, is a colossal waste of what could otherwise be a very interesting trip. You can do the same in closer places for a much smaller investment of time and jet lag.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1420959]Somebody better call either Ripley's or Guinness or both.[/QUOTE]I am "shooting" (haha) for 6-7 girls and 7 orgasms per day, have done it before in PI. If I fall short of my goal so be it, whatever the final tally I will have fun trying and IMO it will be worth every Baht.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1420959]Somebody better call either Ripley's or Guinness or both.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I f the guy is after a record, good luck to him. If not. What is the (real) point of settina a qutoa of 52 times in 8 days even before his plane has the gear up. Dreaming nad fantazising is legitimate, keeps you busy in the odd chastity times at home. Gives motivation and so on. But setting a minute by minute agenda (as such, BTW) is pointless to me.
Removes all the pleasure of hte hunt, the search. For as much he can arrive in BKK, call at Novotel BKK and have a line up of girls coming up to his room (seen that he has a list already) and do the deeds. Done deed,"who's next?"
Each one his own and I am not the one to tell him not to.
But still to me it all looks pointless. Ticking boxes.
[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1420988]Exactly. I f the guy is after a record, good luck to him. If not. What is the (real) point of settina a qutoa of 52 times in 8 days even before his plane has the gear up. Dreaming nad fantazising is legitimate, keeps you busy in the odd chastity times at home. Gives motivation and so on. But setting a minute by minute agenda (as such, BTW) is pointless to me.
Removes all the pleasure of hte hunt, the search. For as much he can arrive in BKK, call at Novotel BKK and have a line up of girls coming up to his room (seen that he has a list already) and do the deeds. Done deed,"who's next?"
Each one his own and I am not the one to tell him not to.
But still to me it all looks pointless. Ticking boxes.[/QUOTE]Maybe 51 in 8 days is a personal best and he's trying to break his record. If he comes even close and reports on all his exploits we'll have plenty to read. Even as a young man about 3 times a day was my limit. Now I'm happy to fuck once a day: and twice in one day is cause for celebration. Oh to be young again.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1420982]traveling half-way around the world, just to see the inside of bars and a cheap hotels, for the sole purpose of screwing as many different girls, in as little time as possible, is a colossal waste of what could otherwise be a very interesting trip.[/QUOTE]You misunderstand. The point of my trip is not to "screw as many different girls, in as little time possible", I could do that at home.
The point of my trip is to experience as much PSE as I can in the limited amount of time I have available with women I find attractive for the smallest amount of money possible.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1420982]You can do the same in closer places for a much smaller investment of time and jet lag.[/QUOTE]Where? WHERE? I have RTFF (this forum and many others) and I have not seen reports of anything equal to Eden, Tulip, Mango, Star of Light etc. Existing anywhere else in the world.
Please please PLEASE tell me where I can get 2 hours of anal, BBBJ, rimming MSOG etc. With a girl as hot as the nicer ones at Cherry / Mango / Snow White or an Eden-style full lesbian / strapon / DP / anal / BBBJ / COF / Multi-pop threesome or more-some for less money and with shorter travel time, honestly, sincerely, I would LOVE to know, and I am sure many others would as well. And yes I know I could find this with escorts in the US, the price for a single one hour session with decent looking girls is almost what I paid for my RT airfare (China Airlines, purchased through their site many months ago and at the time they had a discount for Paypal. My fare was cheap because I bought it so far in advance, traveled on less popular days, and chose to travel during low season).
I would prefer to not spend 32 hours flying round trip but I do not think the PSE I am looking for exists anywhere else for anywhere near what it will be costing me on a per-pop or smiles-per-minute basis even after factoring in airfare, hotel, etc.
Flying to BKK to visit Tulip / Cherry / Mango / Snow White / SOL / Eden once would not make sense to me, but I plan to hit Eden and the others many times. It seems a better argument would be to say "you should stay longer so everything is not so rushed" and sure, I would love to stay many weeks and take it at a more leisurely pace but 8 days is what I have available and I am going to make the best of it and maximize my fun.
As for the "colossal waste of what could otherwise be a very interesting trip" statement, apart from the sex I have ZERO interest in visiting Thailand. There might be something of interest there for you but for me there is not and I can think of lots of other places I would rather take a non-mongering vacation.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1420982]I would like to see some photos of a $20 / night BKK hotel room.[/QUOTE]I have included a pic of the hotel room, Star Inn on Soi 7/1, standard double, no window, currently $23 a night, I booked 6 months ago when it was as I recall $17. I am sure it will not be great but I do not care, I do not plan to spend much awake time there. Star Inn was chosen for its low price and perfect location, it is next to Eden on Soi 7/1 and a quick walk from Nana car park and BTS.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1420982]traveling half-way around the world, just to see the inside of bars . this includes food, transportation, bar fines, drinks, miscellaneous.[/QUOTE]Bars, barfines, drinks. No, no, and no. I find the go-gos / barfines to be a waste of money and a crapshoot as far as quality of service and will not be taking any girls off premises and probably not visiting any bars at all. There no barfines at the oilies I will be visiting or at Eden, and any girl I end up taking to my room will be either be found at closing time in Nana Car Park or somewhere on Suk between Nana and my room on 7/1.
As for drinks, I am not much of a drinker. And as I recall some of the oilies give free water or soda. I plan to buy a case or two of bottled water for my room and carry water with me, can't imagine that costing too much. And food in Bangkok is dirt cheap. Will definitely buy a pass for the BTS, I am pretty good at walking, will take taxis when necessary but most of the places I am interested in visiting are either walking distance from my room or very near a BTS stop. I think Star of Light will be the only one that will require a taxi. I considered buying a bicycle and still may if I can find a cheap one, but I checked craigslist and they seem to be pretty expensive in Bangkok.
I do have plenty of money available to cover any unforeseen miscellaneous costs if necessary, if I end up spending $2600 or $2800 or $3000 or more it is really no big deal to have a good time but I have done the math and it looks like it will come to around $2500 exclusive of airfare and hotel.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1420982]Time is another factor. 7 pops a day leaves very little time for anything else.[/QUOTE]There is literally nothing I would rather be doing while in Thailand. Shopping? I already own everything I could possibly want or need. Sightseeing? I have had my fill of the sights. Clubbing, drinking, etc? Not interested. I want only to immerse myself in an 8 day porn living movie of my own making.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1420982]One every 3 hours only leaves 3 hours for sleep.[/QUOTE]I am estimating around 1 every 2 hours on average. If this does not seem realistic for you I understand, for me it is not difficult. And again, if for some reason I fail, who cares! It will be fun trying and I will have memories to last until I am able to return.
Here is one days planned itinerary:
11AM wake. 2hours to shower, dress, quick breakfast, check emails, change money etc. And travel to my first destination.
1PM Tulip Massage. 1 girl. 2 hours. 2 pops.
4PM cheap oily with HE. 1 hour. 1 girl. 1 pop.
5PM quick lunch.
6PM Star of Light. 30-45 minutes. 1 girl. 1 pop.
8PM Cherry Massage. 2 hours. 1 girl. 2 pops.
11PM cheap oily with HE. 1 hour. 1 girl. 1 pop.
1AM Freelancer. 1 hour. 1 pop.
2AM Eat.
3 AM Sleep 8 hours.
I realize this kind of tight scheduling is not for everyone and is not my preference, I will be making a more relaxed-paced visit at a later date but this time I need to do as much as possible in the limited amount of time I have available. Spreading this same itinerary over a two week period would only add around $200 for the hotel and food, and the food will cost me less than what I would be paying at home or most other places I might want to travel so I don't think food costs are something to concern myself with.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1420982]That comes to about 9, 000 baht per day, BUT is 1, 400 per O.[/QUOTE]Sounds right to me. 2 hours and two pops at Tulip / Mango / Cherry / SW is B2300, so B1150 per pop. SOL is B700 per pop. Oily with HE is B800-900 per pop. The only place I plan to visit that is more expensive than that is Eden. 2 pops for B3900 = 1950 per O. I plan to do Eden 4 times while in Bangkok, will still be averaging less than B1400 per O.
[QUOTE=Bionicman;1420988]Exactly. I f the guy is after a record, good luck to him. If not. What is the (real) point of settina a qutoa of 52 times in 8 days even before his plane has the gear up.[/QUOTE]Don't care about records, just an estimate based on past experiences. I did not set a quota, just decided what I want to do while in Bangkok and it added up to $3600 for around the same number of pops I regularly spend more than $5000 on in the US. Pops with cuter, younger, more enthusiastic girls with wide open menus and porn star service as opposed to the handjobs I am typically spending my money on at home.
[QUOTE=Bionicman;1420988]But still to me it all looks pointless. Ticking boxes.[/QUOTE]Understood, thank you for sharing your opinion.
[QUOTE=Bionicman;1420988]Each one his own and I am not the one to tell him not to.[/QUOTE]Agreed.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1419682]It says retirement payment and pensions are taxable. But if I bring my money in as savings why would that constitute as an income.[/QUOTE]From what I've read on the subject, Thai law generally considers any monies you obtain as both income and taxable.
Why would bringing your "money in as savings", whatever that is supposed to mean, be any different or exempt you from a legal obligation to file a return and pay taxes, if any are owed?
AFAIK, from what a number of legal sites have stated re their interpretation of Thai income tax law, if you bring monies into Thailand in the same year it is obtained or earned, then those monies are taxable. It makes no difference if they come directly into a "savings" account in a Thai bank without being spent in Thailand. Neither does it help you to use a USD card from a US bank in paying bills in LOS, since those monies are coming into Thailand as soon as you make such a payment, which BTW leaves a paper trail in Siam.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1419798]According to that website, pension income received in Thailand is subject to income tax. You can always pay for everything with a US credit card that does not charge foreign exchange fees and have your US bank pay the credit card bill. That way, no income comes in to Thailand to be subject to be taxed. It also keeps your assets in a protected US bank account, since any attempt to seize your assets in a foreign country is often times subject to the whims of a corrupt judiciary.[/QUOTE]According to the website the pension income does not have to be recieved in Thailand, but merely brought into Thailand, whether directly or indirectly. It could be recieved in the UK and then transfered a bit at a time, in part or in full, into Siam. Once it enters the Kingdom, it is taxable.
From what a number of legal sites have stated re their interpretation of Thai income tax law, if you bring monies into Thailand in the same year it is obtained or earned, then those monies are taxable. It won't help you to use a USD card from a US bank in paying bills in LOS, since those monies are coming into Thailand as soon as you make such a payment, which BTW leaves a paper trail in LOS.
[QUOTE=Bionicman;1420222]That means you pay income tax (on the pension) in USA. So somewhere you pay a tax. Whether it is cheaper or better to pay in USA or Thailand is another story. The countries usually have (reciprocal) treats avoiding double taxation.[/QUOTE]If in Thailand you owe 37 percent on your non Thai income and in your homeland you owe 7 percent on the same income, you can avoid double taxation or paying both amounts, which would total 44 percent. But you'll still owe a total of 37 percent, such as 7 percent elsewhere & the remaining 30 percent more in LOS.
But by not becoming a Thai tax resident one could escape the legal obligation to pay Thai income tax on such foreign income. Thereby you'ld be allowed to keep that 30 percent in taxes & only pay 7 percent instead of 37 percent. As I mentioned earlier this can be done by spending less than the required amount of days in the Kingdom per calendar year, which is about 180 days.
I'm heading up to Bangkok from Pattaya on Sunday, but haven't taken the regular bus before.
It appears that the easiest way to Sukumvit area is on the Pattaya to Ekamai (Roong Rueang) bus and then BTS skytrain a few stops to Nana.
Experienced travelers, am I reading this correctly, or is there a better way?
(Rather not tie myself down to Bell Travel's schedule this time though.)
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1420982]While the poster makes some interesting points, he doesn't address the time involved. Spending 30+ hours in an airplane and airports, plus the $1, 000+ airfare, for an 8-day vacation may not sound like a good idea to some. But I digress.[/QUOTE]This is the Thailand Forum. Its pretty pointless to debate which is the best mongering destination for North Americans who have only one week off and its very far and expensive for them to come here.
I don't like to take work assignments in North America either. Its just too far for me, and while I like the natural scenery, the puritanical culture doesn't do much for me. I prefer to work in Europe, although allergic to the cold weather in winter.
Some of us have to pick some country to be in for extended periods, and Thailand is good enough for me, and convenient. I can do my work from any country (for part of the year). It can't be convenient for everyone.
I would also add that Thailand is a great place to get your expensive dental work like crowns and root canals done far more cheaply than back home, and the savings could cover your air-fare from some countries quite easily. Top dentists who studied in the US are available.
Anyway each person will have a different situation to weigh up whether a trip to Thailand is worthwhile to them or not.
[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1420982]While the poster makes some interesting points, he doesn't address the time involved. Spending 30+ hours in an airplane and airports, plus the $1, 000+ airfare, for an 8-day vacation may not sound like a good idea to some. But I digress.
The numbers don't really add up unless you are a hard-core backpacker, or something.
The airfare is OK. That's a very good fare from North America, assuming that's where he's coming from.
I would like to see some photos of a $20 / night BKK hotel room. I have mental images that are not pretty. Maybe I'm wrong. I stay in maybe 2-star hotels in BKK, but I've never seen one for that kind of money.
Now 52 orgasms in 8 days. That's 6. 5 Os per day, every day, for 8 days. I daresay most board members can't do that. When I was 22 I could, but not for 8 days straight. If it's true, good on him. But, to me, it sounds a bit optimistic.
The remainder of the budget, $2500, comes to about 75, 000 baht using a generous exchange rate. That comes to about 9, 000 baht per day, BUT is 1, 400 per O. Of course, this includes food, transportation, bar fines, drinks, miscellaneous. Of course, some of this budget may also go for a better hotel, once he gets a load of the $20 per night joint. LOL.
My point is that, while a $300 per day budget is realistic, when you price it out by orgasm it becomes unrealistic. Time is another factor. 7 pops a day leaves very little time for anything else. One every 3 hours only leaves 3 hours for sleep.
Now, just my opinion, but traveling half-way around the world, just to see the inside of bars and a cheap hotels, for the sole purpose of screwing as many different girls, in as little time as possible, is a colossal waste of what could otherwise be a very interesting trip. You can do the same in closer places for a much smaller investment of time and jet lag.[/QUOTE]Then do us all a favor and don't come! End of story!
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1420982]Now, just my opinion, but traveling half-way around the world, just to see the inside of bars and a cheap hotels, for the sole purpose of screwing as many different girls, in as little time as possible, is a colossal waste of what could otherwise be a very interesting trip. You can do the same in closer places for a much smaller investment of time and jet lag.[/QUOTE]Ignoring the fact that the OP has a ridiculous plan, I am in complete agreement. Those who come looking for a pussy fest are just wasting their time because by the end of the second day they will realise that cheap doss house hotels and scruffy bars ain't much of a holiday. Bangkok and Thailand require a slow approach to life with time spent learning just how to organise one's time. Seven fucks a day is going to be an impossible target.
I only hope the OP gives an 'actuals' report indue time.
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1421182]This is the Thailand Forum. Its pretty pointless to debate which is the best mongering destination for North Americans who have only one week off and its very far and expensive for them to come here.
I don't like to take work assignments in North America either. Its just too far for me, and while I like the natural scenery, the puritanical culture doesn't do much for me. I prefer to work in Europe, although allergic to the cold weather in winter.[/QUOTE]I fully agree. North America is not a pleasant place to be (for me anyways) and I far prefer the lifestyle here in Thailand.
Boy, couldn't agree with you more. I am stuck here and no choice available for me. But if I was able to move and did it I would miss all the great things here like the USA congress, the bible toters, and fox TV.
The time I have been able to spend in Thailand has been great and I plan on much more of it in the future.
After reading AMEX SGs super detailed reports (thanks amex) on Pattaya I've committed to making a first trip to Thailand in June.
I'll be staying 5 days and 4 nights. Do you think it is worth to do half in BKK and half in Pattaya or just concentrate on one city?
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1421225]Then do us all a favor and don't come! End of story![/QUOTE]You completely missed the point. LOS is a great place, the women are a strong reason to come, the food is great. If you get away from the tourist traps and Farang Gulch the people tend to be quite friendly. The Thai culture, and that of the other SEA countries, is very interesting. A visit to Thailand can be enlightening on many levels, as should any good trip abroad.
As Bionicman said, if you're showing up just to tick boxes, what's the point? You'll miss out on all the other things Thailand has to offer.
[QUOTE=WrinkleFree; 1421324]After reading AMEX SGs super detailed reports (thanks amex) on Pattaya I've committed to making a first trip to Thailand in June.
I'll be staying 5 days and 4 nights. Do you think it is worth to do half in BKK and half in Pattaya or just concentrate on one city?[/QUOTE]Wow, its a real short time. You won't have time to do either justice, but consider trying both. Or just see what happens. Don't need to commit yourself yet. Start at Pattaya, and only if you don't like it and quality is not good enough then move on to more expensive Bangkok. Or take the reverse approach. Making too many plans can interfere with really have a ball in some particular place. However do try a few different things so that you can gauge what you really like for next time.
I sort of believe that overall the best girls will be in Bangkok because they can make more money here.
[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1420982]While the poster makes some interesting points, he doesn't address the time involved. Spending 30+ hours in an airplane and airports, plus the $1, 000+ airfare, for an 8-day vacation may not sound like a good idea to some. But I digress.
The numbers don't really add up unless you are a hard-core backpacker, or something. The airfare is OK. That's a very good fare from North America, assuming that's where he's coming from. Now, just my opinion, but traveling half-way around the world, just to see the inside of bars and a cheap hotels, for the sole purpose of screwing as many different girls, in as little time as possible, is a colossal waste of what could otherwise be a very interesting trip. You can do the same in closer places for a much smaller investment of time and jet lag.[/QUOTE]Consider the fact that it is just BS and you guys fell for it? His response on how he spent a day tells me that he is either the Superman of fuckingdom or just a plain BS.
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1421187]Paul,
They should set a limit for the minimum sized post, to avoid silly one-liners. LOL
Here is a recommendation for you. Go back and read some of Nic Frenchy's oldest posts, the lengthy ones. He has a subtle humour that I found very amusing, not relying on basic sarcasm, but more on funny situations and the difference in Western and Thai cultures. Probably the most entertaining poster we have seen, when he was in the right mood and had the time to be expansive, IMHO. Avoid his posts, where he seems to be in a very negative mood (these would normally be shorter anyway). Its usually the long posts that were the reall good ones.
Sorry we are in the wrong thread.[/QUOTE]Syzygies,
Sorry it took so long to reply. I was busy putting out a fire.
Decided to move the discussion over to this thread.
First, I really appreciate your thoughtful posts.
Second, I agree with you, silly, meaningless one liners are a waste of time and space. I think forum posts have something like a ten character minimum, put I don't think length is the issue. The question is whether the post adds something to the forum. Personally, I don't have problems with dumb questions. They only show the person has not RTFF; and I understand the world is full of stupid, lazy people. I don't have a problem with angry rants. Some times we need to blow off steam. But I do have a problem with people who complain about the forum's content, and other forum members and their posts, yet do nothing on their part to uplift the ISG's quality.
I will read some of Nic Frenchy's older posts when I have time and expect to find them to be a good read.
So Mr. Nic, why don't you continue to live up to the high standard you once set? You've read what Syzygies thinks of your older contributions to the forum. Why not continue to set an example?
For that matter, why don't all of you senior members set an example? This forum is what its members make it. In our youth, my generation had a saying: "You're part of the problem or you're part of the solution." Which are you going to be?
Its easy to see the Nasa Vegas Hotel from Rama IX freeway coming from the airport. Does the Nasa Spacedrome Disco still exist? I must have gone there 15 years ago or more. Was very large disco.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1422366]Its easy to see the Nasa Vegas Hotel from Rama IX freeway coming from the airport. Does the Nasa Spacedrome Disco still exist? I must have gone there 15 years ago or more. Was very large disco.[/QUOTE]Nope.
Closed 14.9 years ago.
Giotto
[URL]http://www.livingstoneslodge.com[/URL]
PS: Nasa Disco did not survive the Asian Financial Crisis.
[QUOTE=IamJohnGalt; 1421178]I'm heading up to Bangkok from Pattaya on Sunday, but haven't taken the regular bus before.
It appears that the easiest way to Sukumvit area is on the Pattaya to Ekamai (Roong Rueang) bus and then BTS skytrain a few stops to Nana.
Experienced travelers, am I reading this correctly, or is there a better way?
(Rather not tie myself down to Bell Travel's schedule this time though.)
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]To IamJohnGalt.
This is the cheapest way if you are already in Bangkok Suhumvit area take skytrain to Ekamai bus station bus every 30 min 135 bht to pattya bus station and take the bht bus to beach road 20bht, the best way is take the taxi if you have large Luggage 700-800 bht hotel to hotel.
Fast Eddie 48
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1422507]To IamJohnGalt.
This is the cheapest way if you are already in Bangkok Suhumvit area take skytrain to Ekamai bus station bus every 30 min 135 bht to pattya bus station and take the bht bus to beach road 20bht, the best way is take the taxi if you have large Luggage 700-800 bht hotel to hotel.
Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]It is the other way: he is in Pattaya and wants to go to BKK
[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1419801]Here's an interesting take:
[url]http://msna.biz/tax-on-monthly-pension[/url]
According to this guy, ostensibly a Thai accountant, pensions, etc, are taxable only if they are earned and brought into Thailand in the same year. So, he offers a workaround. Interesting.[/QUOTE]I've come across several online tax professional sites that have said the same thing. I suggest it is their correct interpretation of the following portion of section 41 of the Thai tax law:
"A resident of Thailand who in the previous tax year derived assessable income under Section 40 from an employment or from business carried on abroad or from a property situated abroad shall, upon bringing such assessable income into Thailand, pay tax in accordance with the provisions of this Part."
[url]http://www.samuiforsale.com/law-texts/the-thailand-revenue-code.html[/url]
So where does that leave the guys who bring into LOS 800, 000 baht all at once for a Thai retirement visa?
If the Thai tax authorities are not interested in pursuing taxing these guys & farang pensioners, etc, inspite of what the law says, would that be to encourage more ATMs to retire in the Kingdom? I doubt that they are unaware that many of these guys, who probably don't even file a tax return in Siam, are tax evaders who should be paying Thai taxes.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1422767]I've come across several online tax professional sites that have said the same thing. I suggest it is their correct interpretation of the following portion of section 41 of the Thai tax law:[/QUOTE]This should be in the Living in Thailand section.
[quote=pinkpearl; 1422767]i've come across several online tax professional sites that have said the same thing. i suggest it is their correct interpretation of the following portion of section 41 of the thai tax law:
"a resident of thailand who in the previous tax year derived assessable income under section 40 from an employment or from business carried on abroad or from a property situated abroad shall, upon bringing such assessable income into thailand, pay tax in accordance with the provisions of this part."
[url]http://www.samuiforsale.com/law-texts/the-thailand-revenue-code.html[/url]
so where does that leave the guys who bring into los 800, 000 baht all at once for a thai retirement visa?
if the thai tax authorities are not interested in pursuing taxing these guys & farang pensioners, etc, inspite of what the law says, would that be to encourage more atms to retire in the kingdom? i doubt that they are unaware that many of these guys, who probably don't even file a tax return in siam, are tax evaders who should be paying thai taxes.[/quote]p. p.
guess this little law is got you loosing some sleep?
there is also a law about not smoking in public area.
there is also a law about corruption, but thailand last 2 years reported that they are loosing 200 billion per year dut to government corruption.
there is also a law about talking on the cell phone while driving a vehicle, also helmet, speeding, etc. etc.
there is also a law about loud music coming from vehicles.
there are laws and laws that aren't enforce including demostrations closing streets and the airport and finally back to isg, there is a law about prostitution!
the shit happens and maybe this is just one of millions that isn't being enforce. it seems maybe i'm wrong you feel guilty not paying your taxes here. knock yourself out go in and demand to pay your share i'm share the corrupt official would welcome it.
lbm
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1422992]P. P.
The shit happens and maybe this is just one of millions that isn't being enforce. It seems maybe I'm wrong you feel guilty not paying your taxes here. Knock yourself out go in and demand to pay your share I'm share the corrupt official would welcome it.
LBM[/QUOTE]Amen.
Also, am I the only one thinking that this phrasing is important?"A resident of Thailand who in the previous tax year derived assessable income under Section 40 [B]from an employment or from business[/B] Carried on abroad. ." To me that does not include pensions.
[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1423017]Also, am I the only one thinking that this phrasing is important?"A resident of Thailand who in the previous tax year derived assessable income under Section 40 [B]from an employment or from business[/B] Carried on abroad." To me that does not include pensions.[/QUOTE]Section 40 leaves no doubt that pensions are included as tax assessable income and income derived from employment when it states:
"Assessable income is income of the following categories including any amount of tax paid by the payer of income or by any other person on behalf of a taxpayer.
• (1) Income derived from employment, whether in the form of salary, wage, per diem, bonus, bounty, gratuity, pension, house rent allowance, monetary value of rent-free residence provided by an employer, payment of debt liability of an employee made by an employer, or any money, property or benefit derived from employment."
[url]http://www.samuiforsale.com/law-texts/the-thailand-revenue-code.html[/url]
[quote=littlebigman; 1422992]p. p.
guess this little law is got you loosing some sleep?
there is also a law about not smoking in public area.
there is also a law about corruption, but thailand last 2 years reported that they are loosing 200 billion per year dut to government corruption.
there is also a law about talking on the cell phone while driving a vehicle, also helmet, speeding, etc. etc.
there is also a law about loud music coming from vehicles.
there are laws and laws that aren't enforce including demostrations closing streets and the airport and finally back to isg, there is a law about prostitution!
the shit happens and maybe this is just one of millions that isn't being enforce. it seems maybe i'm wrong you feel guilty not paying your taxes here. knock yourself out go in and demand to pay your share i'm share the corrupt official would welcome it.
lbm[/quote]i've never owed any taxes to thailand & don't intend to. like i said, it would be too boring to spend 365 days a year here. two months usually does it & i'm ready to move on. anything under 180 days makes you exempt re non thai income.
but what are you trying to tell me here, that no one has ever been caught and punished for any of the things you listed or for tax evasion? or that they couldn't be? why take the risk, when you can go to various other wonderful asia destinations & enjoy a variety of pussy? no risk, no worries, no tax payments & no boredom sounds good to me. how about you?
[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai; 1423017]Amen.
Also, am I the only one thinking that this phrasing is important?"A resident of Thailand who in the previous tax year derived assessable income under Section 40 [B]from an employment or from business[/B] Carried on abroad." To me that does not include pensions.[/QUOTE]Where else a pension is coming form if not from employment or business? It is a delayed form of salary.
[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai; 1423017]Amen.
Also, am I the only one thinking that this phrasing is important?"A resident of Thailand who in the previous tax year derived assessable income under Section 40 [B]from an employment or from business[/B] Carried on abroad." To me that does not include pensions.[/QUOTE]Remember also that very few farangs are "residents" of Thailand. Even us expats who have non-immigrant visas are not considered residents, but guests. We don't pay income taxes.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1423128]Remember also that very few farangs are "residents" of Thailand. Even us expats who have non-immigrant visas are not considered residents, but guests. We don't pay income taxes.[/QUOTE]Maybe some feel that they are living here for years and years actually think that they are Thai National or.
Something? Who knows what some are thinking these days. With the strength of the baht and the
Of our dollar etc. All of a sudden one guy wants to pay taxes can't seem to get it out of his pants when he should be thinking about using his tax payment of getting some pussy!
Maybe on paper people are getting mixed up resident with citizen? In the USA I'm like anything President or politician and it is no different here if the time comes I got to pay taxes. I'm going to lie and cheat and
Swear on the bible that ' I'm telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth " then I'm going to do what.
It takes to pay as little or nothing whatever it takes.
We are already paying more and they have a greater expectation from us that we are walking ATM'S,
Girls thinking that is one thing but when the Thai government starts thinking that I'm going to pay taxes when majority of the population doesn't. I suggest they bring some help when they come to collect from me!
LBM
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1422275]So Mr. Nic, why don't you continue to live up to the high standard you once set? You've read what Syzygies thinks of your older contributions to the forum. Why not continue to set an example?[/QUOTE]Paul,
People get busy and some of us have to work, so sometimes guys are too busy to write the really great entertaining long reports. Some get bored by the forum at times when few useful reports are arriving. Others just don't have the natural writing talent (I know I don't). I try to remember to just give information in keeping with the spirit of the forum, and hope also to encourage others to put in more field experience reports. Do I detect a recent improvement in site reports?
I better get back to work now!
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1423420]Paul,
People get busy and some of us have to work, so sometimes guys are too busy to write the really great entertaining long reports. Some get bored by the forum at times when few useful reports are arriving. Others just don't have the natural writing talent (I know I don't). I try to remember to just give information in keeping with the spirit of the forum, and hope also to encourage others to put in more field experience reports. Do I detect a recent improvement in site reports?
I better get back to work now![/QUOTE]Syzygies,
Sure I understand work and time limitations. I put in more than a few hours a week and use ISG to kill a little time when I don't have enough time or am in the wrong place to go out and have fun.
And I'm not complaining about the lack of long entertaining reports. Those do take a special talent; and as you point out not all of us have the talent nor is English everyone's first language. It's the childish bickering and short meaningless posts that annoy me. My intend is to be an advocate for a quality forum. A few less stupid posts and a few more thoughtful posts would make a noticeable difference.
You may be right. The quality of the posts just might be improving.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1423445]It's the childish bickering and short meaningless posts that annoy me. My intend is to be an advocate for a quality forum. A few less stupid posts and a few more thoughtful posts would make a noticeable difference.[/QUOTE]Can't disagree with that. Yes Quality and certainly less negativity. You get a few who just mock 90% of the time or more and rarely contribute anything useful. I even avocated having guys try to think what the others readers might want, but some thought that was a stupid idea and instead avocate having guys rave on with any old stuff no matter how relevant or irrelevant, useful or not.
BTW, If you think there are some stupid posting on this forum, you should see how abysmal some of the other competition forums are. In my experience they really are bad, including Thai forums and also the western one W. The ones I tried, had no posts with any substance at all. Its was all just smart-ass posts from start to finish. When I had the audacity to ask how come, their superiority complex shone through. Who was this newbie posting reasonable information and asking others to do so too?
As an example, their "Annies thread" had just a lot of one liner posts!
I went to a few clubs.
Climax. Around 2am tons of girls. Went with a semi pro and she didn't like it but I saw a hot busty Thai that I would have taken in a heartbeat. 300 bhat entry I think but it came with a drink. My friend got in free. It was packed and it was a Tuesday.
Shock 39. Don't waste your time. It was dead on a Thursday around 1am. Horrible. Complete sausage fest. A ton of Indians dancing together and obvious homosexuals dancing. I thought it was a gay bar for a while. Damn can driver said it would be good. There were a few Russian girls but seemed more annoyed with the Indians then anything. They kept coming over to me but I wasn't feeling it and left for greener pastures.
Levels. Very nice. Good music better girls them the previous two places and drinks were 250. Great price for club I think. I saw a few stunners there but again I was with my gorgeous semi pro so I couldn't take.
Red sky bar. Central world. Very nice, very high. 300/350 drinks. Saw many groups and families so go there for view not really a place to pick up. I did see a few single girls inside but didn't ask them I'm sure sky high prices.
Nest- very nice. Had dinner there. Live music and Dj. Chill place maybe go there before going out for drinks maybe with a date. Took another girl there she was very happy with it.
Also went to thermae around 1 am one night. 10 guys there total. 60 girls there staring at me. Took home a busty cutie 2000 ST. Very cute, liked to kiss and wanted to give me hickies. Had to stop her. Good provider 3 holer. Wasn't traditional skinny Thai but not fat in by any means. Nice tits and ass and best of all pretty face.
[QUOTE=RBDave; 1423959]This post should probably be in General, and not MPs.
I would not bother stocking up in advance. Just wait for when you get to there, much easier and cheaper to get in Thailand.
And for everyone's information, you can get some STDs from BBBJ, not just BBFS. This is especially true at some places like a BJ bar where it is possible the girl still has some remnants of fluid in her throat. So she might not even have anything, but still may be passing it on to the next guy. Sadly, this is not second or third hand information.
So if you are doing BBBJ, you already are taking some risks. This is a risk I'm personally willing to accept, because the difference between CBJ and BBBJ is too great.[/QUOTE]RBDave,
You're absolutely right about this discussion being in the wrong thread, something I accept responsibility for. I think this started with a post in which I said I've always gotten BBBJs at Poseidon. So now I've move it over to the general thread.
You're also right about the risk of contacting an STD from a BBBJ. I thinks it's good you mention this as I occasionally run into guys are surprised when I tell them this. Some even insist I don't know what I'm talking about. When the message is important repetition is good.
The statement about stocking up on antibiotics before the trip was not intended to be taken literally. In that part of the post I was trying to convey that I am conflicted about bareback FS. I understand the health risks. I realize we are in a position of power relative to the SW and it is easy for us to coerce them into a dangerous activity they would prefer to avoid. And if they take the initiative the safe and ethical response is to insist on using a condom.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1423972]RBDave,
You're absolutely right about this discussion being in the wrong thread, something I accept responsibility for. I think this started with a post in which I said I've always gotten BBBJs at Poseidon. So now I've move it over to the general thread.
You're also right about the risk of contacting an STD from a BBBJ. I thinks it's good you mention this as I occasionally run into guys are surprised when I tell them this. Some even insist I don't know what I'm talking about. When the message is important repetition is good.
The statement about stocking up on antibiotics before the trip was not intended to be taken literally. In that part of the post I was trying to convey that I am conflicted about bareback FS. I understand the health risks. I realize we are in a position of power relative to the SW and it is easy for us to coerce them into a dangerous activity they would prefer to avoid. And if they take the initiative the safe and ethical response is to insist on using a condom.[/QUOTE]I definitely don't want to sound like I'm preaching. I think each individual can decide for himself if he wants to take the risks. I have a friend who does BBFS about 50% of the time. His rational is that the only thing he's worried about is HIV and if he gets infected, he's figured he's old enough and has already had a good life. And by the time it gets him, he'll be old enough to die of old age any how.
However, I'm married, so cannot take the risk for BBFS. Yet, I still managed to get something. My friend thought I was being a hypochondriac because the odds from getting it via BBBJ are really low, until I told him I had discharge."Oh, yeah, you got it."
When did I discover this? On the plane ride home! I went from being extremely tired to completely awake.
An odd thing happened as a result. I kept the email address of the last girl I was with, so I informed her to get checked. She freaked out. She was clear, but we didn't do BBFS, so I didn't expect anything. But now, we've been talking on the phone quite often and have grown quite fond of each other. And in the end, that may be worse for me than an STD.
Sorry if this is in the wrong section, I couldn't find a section that seemed entirely right.
Is there a post (I have looked and looked) that has 'negotiation' Thai? . In phonetic English or Thai script. How to ask for anal, for example. Having it written down might be good.
My situation is that, rather than have a lot of vanilla sex with a lot of different girls, I want to do some heavy perverted stuff with two or three on the next visit. I'm happy to pay for the privilege. I just want to know that she's alright with it before we set off from the bar / gogo. So, given the music volumes in such places, what's the best way for me to impress on the lady that this will be a 'demanding' evening, and she needs to weigh up the work with the rewards? The last thing I want to do is take a girl back and have her be upset by my requirements! I know there are a lot of premises where fetishes are served on-site, but for me choosing a bar girl / freelancer and taking her home is the whole thrill of the thing.
Again, apologies if this is in the wrong bit / has been asked 1, 000 times and I couldn't find the answer.
[QUOTE=RBDave;1424082]However, I'm married, so cannot take the risk for BBFS. Yet, I still managed to get something. My friend thought I was being a hypochondriac because the odds from getting it via BBBJ are really low, until I told him I had discharge."Oh, yeah, you got it."[/QUOTE]Yes I absolutely understand. I also cannot risk BBFS. I have GF too these days. I am only mongering a lot, as she is away right now. Its a good idea to have some emergency meds just in case something should happen like this, as can be cured pretty quick.
You don't want your partner finding the Azithromax though, unless you can come up with some other innocent problem that it can be used for. Chlamydia is the common one though. Some people have been known to self dose toward the end of a mongering trip just in case of catching symptomless Chlamydia. This is not recommended by doctors but still a practical thing. You can't always wait for the diagnosis if you suspect something. Can treat for multiple things in a hurry just in case.
A previous GF found my spare Azithromycin, and I had a difficult time explaining what it was for. I said it was old (which was true) and forgot what was treating and had to look up the internet in a hurry. Then later I "remembered" it was for previous middle ear infection.
Be aware that there also exist other things that can cause discharge that are not the standard STD diseases. You still may want to be checked to be sure what you have caught. I mean proper tests. Don't rely on Doctor's initial guess-work (wrong diagnosis). Typical doctor's guess is often little better than my own internet assisted guess. I have been tested by clinics in Thailand many times for all types of STDs and most results come back quickly. It can be handy just to get the clean bill of health for peace of mind before return to the wife.
Years ago, I used to have BBFS with a Thai girl in my home country, and with no one else. Used to see her once per week. She was only doing me and her proper BF as far as I know (which complicates things), as I did not know what her BF might get up to. At some point I a had a discharge and told her, in case I had caught something from her and she may have got it from her BF. She panicked a little too much, and after that did not provide BBFS again. My check subsequently showed is was not a typical STD disease but one of the other ones that can occur through non-sexual tranmission means. The lesson to learnt is that although I had good intentions, I should not have told her anything. If she had it too, I could deny everything, assuming it came from her. I could not have got an STD from anywhere else.
Hope this was not purely a waste of time, and maybe a useful idea in there somewhere.
[QUOTE=SuperMarckus; 1424123]Sorry if this is in the wrong section, I couldn't find a section that seemed entirely right.
Is there a post (I have looked and looked) that has 'negotiation' Thai? . In phonetic English or Thai script. How to ask for anal, for example. Having it written down might be good.
My situation is that, rather than have a lot of vanilla sex with a lot of different girls, I want to do some heavy perverted stuff with two or three on the next visit. I'm happy to pay for the privilege. I just want to know that she's alright with it before we set off from the bar / gogo. So, given the music volumes in such places, what's the best way for me to impress on the lady that this will be a 'demanding' evening, and she needs to weigh up the work with the rewards? The last thing I want to do is take a girl back and have her be upset by my requirements! I know there are a lot of premises where fetishes are served on-site, but for me choosing a bar girl / freelancer and taking her home is the whole thrill of the thing.
Again, apologies if this is in the wrong bit / has been asked 1, 000 times and I couldn't find the answer.[/QUOTE]Without getting too graphic, can you expand a bit on "heavy perverted?" Anal hardly qualifies as heavy perversion. Not sure how to help without more information.
I plan on doing a visa run to Bangkok. Also my penis feels a little off, can't really explain it. Worried I might have something but it's not showing symptoms like gonorrhea or chlamydia, which I think it might be. I looked up some STD clinics and plan to get tested for the whole gamut of STDs. How long do I need to stay if I want to also get treated in Bangkok. Basically. 1) How long to diagnose gonorrhea and chlamydia by test. 2) how long to get diagnosed with blood test like Hep / Aids.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1424206]Without getting too graphic, can you expand a bit on "heavy perverted?" Anal hardly qualifies as heavy perversion. Not sure how to help without more information.[/QUOTE]Heavily perverted enters in to the realms of sado-masochism which is hardly a topic on a respectable board concerned with f*ck*ing.
[QUOTE=SuperMarckus; 1424123]Sorry if this is in the wrong section, I couldn't find a section that seemed entirely right.
Is there a post (I have looked and looked) that has 'negotiation' Thai? . In phonetic English or Thai script. How to ask for anal, for example. Having it written down might be good.
My situation is that, rather than have a lot of vanilla sex with a lot of different girls, I want to do some heavy perverted stuff with two or three on the next visit. I'm happy to pay for the privilege. I just want to know that she's alright with it before we set off from the bar / gogo. So, given the music volumes in such places, what's the best way for me to impress on the lady that this will be a 'demanding' evening, and she needs to weigh up the work with the rewards? The last thing I want to do is take a girl back and have her be upset by my requirements! I know there are a lot of premises where fetishes are served on-site, but for me choosing a bar girl / freelancer and taking her home is the whole thrill of the thing.
Again, apologies if this is in the wrong bit / has been asked 1, 000 times and I couldn't find the answer.[/QUOTE]I, too, forget the correct phrase, it was discussed over 5-7 years ago. Just point to her ass and say boom boom?
I find it's very interesting that the issue of bareback sex sparks so much interest. It's understandable why it does. There are so many facets and implications.
[QUOTE=RBDave; 1424082]I have a friend who does BBFS about 50% of the time. His rational is that the only thing he's worried about is HIV and if he gets infected, he's figured he's old enough and has already had a good life. And by the time it gets him, he'll be old enough to die of old age any how.
However, I'm married, so cannot take the risk for BBFS. Yet, I still managed to get something. My friend thought I was being a hypochondriac because the odds from getting it via BBBJ are really low, until I told him I had discharge."Oh, yeah, you got it."
An odd thing happened as a result. I kept the email address of the last girl I was with, so I informed her to get checked. She freaked out. She was clear, but we didn't do BBFS, so I didn't expect anything. But now, we've been talking on the phone quite often and have grown quite fond of each other. And in the end, that may be worse for me than an STD.[/QUOTE]I think many of us would conclude the problem with your friend's attitude is he is probably having sex with young girls who are not quite ready to die.
I think protected sex takes on another level of significance if you're in a 'monogamous' relationship. Putting the issue of infidelity aside for a moment, both parties should be able to assume they are not at risk of contracting an STD from their partner; and my personal opinion on infidelity is if you want to play the field, you have no business being in a relationship unless you and your partner understand it is an open relationship. For what it's worth, I did cheat; not the least bit proud of it; so I understand how and why it can happen. I know first hand, emotional ties with a woman other than your spouse can accelerate aging and create a load of problems, emotional and financial. Good luck. Be wise.
[QUOTE=Maxkwalat;1424158]This may sound silly but I think EtOH is a contributing factor to BBFS[/QUOTE]It doesn't sound the least bit silly to me. Guys have used intoxicants to get their way with women since long before our times. I think it's widely known that many of the girls in the go-go bars slam a few shots of cheap Thai whiskey to get ready for their shift and then drink heavily through the night. I don't know that the MP girls are drinking during the day, but they do drink heavily when they are out having fun at night. So I wonder if they too are accustomed to adjusting their attitude for work on a daily basis. The MPs may have a policy about drinking on the job.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1424334]I, too, forget the correct phrase, it was discussed over 5-7 years ago. Just point to her ass and say boom boom?[/QUOTE]They understand "fuck ass". Frequently, I get the response that I should find a ladyboy.
[QUOTE=RBDave;1424367]They understand "fuck ass". Frequently, I get the response that I should find a ladyboy.[/QUOTE]LOL.
Len (falling tone) Doot would probably suffice. I wouldn't use it in "polite" society, but with a BG it'll get your point across.
Khao pra doo lang (go in the back door) , while vulgar, is a bit less crude. My pronunciation is terrible, but I think the khao is falling the the lang is rising. Fluent speakers can probably shed more light.
[QUOTE=Scorchin;1424248]Heavily perverted enters in to the realms of sado-masochism which is hardly a topic on a respectable board concerned with f*ck*ing.[/QUOTE]Don't worry, I'm not talking about anything horrible or uncivilised. Just if I wanted to tie her up and do lots of anal using lots of toys, light spanking maybe. And I'd want to know she was okay with me filming it. My concern is to find a girl whose happy with this sort of thing from the off, rather than having her be offended by my asking back at the hotel.
FYI.
The following information pertains to whether people living in Thailand on a retiree visa are subject to Thai income tax. The information at the end of this post came from this week's [I]Stickman Weekly[/I] Column.
[B]Apparently there are two issue: (1) has your income been taxed in your home country and (2) does your home country have a double taxation treaty with Thailand. If the answers to both questions are yes, then you are not required to pay income tax in Thailand. Australia, Great Britain, New Zealand and the United States have double taxation treaties with Thailand. I did not search for other countries, but had no difficulty ascertaining this in a few seconds by searching the following "name of my home country" Thailand double taxation treaty. [/B]
The following is not a plug for Sunbelt Asia Legal Advisers. I just thought this information would be helpful considering this was a topic that generated a number of posts a few days ago.
Here is the text from the Stickman column.
[I]Question 1: This is my first year on retirement stay in Thailand as a single man. No earning income activity here or abroad. Is it legal not to file an income tax here? If yes, can I obtain an official document to confirm it. Thanks.
Sunbelt Asia Legal Advisers responds: It's difficult to get too specific on the limited information but a broad answer would be that firstly it would depend on the length of your stay in Thailand. According the Revenue Code anyone who stays in Thailand for a total of 180 days a tax year are deemed a resident of Thailand for tax purposes and must file Thai taxes if they are earning income either domestically or overseas.
You will then need to consider the type of funding used to apply for your retirement visa (your savings, your gratuity or your pension). According to the Revenue Code under Section 40 funds like gratuity and pension will also be considered as income.
Has this funding been taxed at your home country prior to the transferring into Thailand? If no, then you will have to file (pay) taxes in Thailand. If yes, you will need to check to see if your home country has entered into a Double Taxation Treaty with Thailand. If you country has entered into a Double Taxation Treaty with Thailand, then you will not have to pay taxes in Thailand, but if there is no double taxation treaty, whether your source had paid tax on the transfer funds back at your home country, you would still need to file for Thai tax. [/I]
[QUOTE=SuperMarckus;1424466]Don't worry, I'm not talking about anything horrible or uncivilised. Just if I wanted to tie her up and do lots of anal using lots of toys, light spanking maybe. And I'd want to know she was okay with me filming it. My concern is to find a girl whose happy with this sort of thing from the off, rather than having her be offended by my asking back at the hotel.[/QUOTE]Good luck with that. The BGs up for that sort of thing are going to be rather scarce on the ground.
Try Demonia or Bar Bar. A lot of that sort of stuff goes on there, and my guess would be that some of the ladies might be up for outcall. However, outcall S&M probably has a lot more risk than regular P4P, for obvious reasons, so it may be tough to get them to agree to that sort of thing off the premises.
BTW, it's illegal to film porn in TH. It happens, but occasionally a guy winds up in the news after getting busted. Just sayin'
Cool. Thanks for the help everyone.
[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1424441]LOL.
Len (falling tone) Doot would probably suffice. I wouldn't use it in "polite" society, but with a BG it'll get your point across.
Khao pra doo lang (go in the back door) , while vulgar, is a bit less crude. My pronunciation is terrible, but I think the khao is falling the the lang is rising. Fluent speakers can probably shed more light.[/QUOTE]Well you got the tones right but that doesn't mean your reader will have any hope of producing them, and the girl may not understand "pradoo" (bpra-dtuu) or "doot" (dtuut) , depending on the vowel pronunciation.
I would suggest asking in simple English may be better understood, unless the reader is a reasonable Thai speaker. In the wrong place, he might be in danger. LOL.
I agree that a guy needs to go to a special place like Demonia to ask for weird stuff. Too many girls have been murdered in Hotel Rooms, e. G. The G Soi 3, for girls to be keen to go to a guy's Hotel for kinky stuff. For sure there is not going to be any trust.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1424485]FYI.
The following information pertains to whether people living in Thailand on a retiree visa are subject to Thai income tax. The information at the end of this post came from this week's [I]Stickman Weekly[/I] Column.
[B]Apparently there are two issue: (1) has your income been taxed in your home country and (2) does your home country have a double taxation treaty with Thailand. If the answers to both questions are yes, then you are not required to pay income tax in Thailand. Australia, Great Britain, New Zealand and the United States have double taxation treaties with Thailand. I did not search for other countries, but had no difficulty ascertaining this in a few seconds by searching the following "name of my home country" Thailand double taxation treaty. [/B]
The following is not a plug for Sunbelt Asia Legal Advisers. I just thought this information would be helpful considering this was a topic that generated a number of posts a few days ago.
Here is the text from the Stickman column.
[I]Question 1: This is my first year on retirement stay in Thailand as a single man. No earning income activity here or abroad. Is it legal not to file an income tax here? If yes, can I obtain an official document to confirm it. Thanks.
Sunbelt Asia Legal Advisers responds: It's difficult to get too specific on the limited information but a broad answer would be that firstly it would depend on the length of your stay in Thailand. According the Revenue Code anyone who stays in Thailand for a total of 180 days a tax year are deemed a resident of Thailand for tax purposes and must file Thai taxes if they are earning income either domestically or overseas.
You will then need to consider the type of funding used to apply for your retirement visa (your savings, your gratuity or your pension). According to the Revenue Code under Section 40 funds like gratuity and pension will also be considered as income.
Has this funding been taxed at your home country prior to the transferring into Thailand? If no, then you will have to file (pay) taxes in Thailand. If yes, you will need to check to see if your home country has entered into a Double Taxation Treaty with Thailand. If you country has entered into a Double Taxation Treaty with Thailand, then you will not have to pay taxes in Thailand, but if there is no double taxation treaty, whether your source had paid tax on the transfer funds back at your home country, you would still need to file for Thai tax. [/I][/QUOTE]Another guy that likes to cite the law and such? If you have the time to look this up then why don't you and PP get together and start a tracking agency to get us Expat to pay the taxes if you are so concern maybe there is actual money to be made. Just don't come my way because I can say with 100%
Certainty you will never be able to collect it. Sunbelt can also put this law where the sun don't shine!
LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1424649]Another guy that likes to cite the law and such? If you have the time to look this up then why don't you and PP get together and start a tracking agency to get us Expat to pay the taxes if you are so concern maybe there is actual money to be made. Just don't come my way because I can say with 100%
Certainty you will never be able to collect it. Sunbelt can also put this law where the sun don't shine!
LBM[/QUOTE]I don't understand your hostility. The point of my post is few if any forum members need to worry about this issue. Most if not all forum members' home countries probably have double taxation treaties with Thailand. Oh and by the way, I don't work for the Thailand Inland Revenue Department; offering legal advice is Sunbelt Legal's business; and I spent less than five minutes on this matter.
I noticed several of the girls I hooked up with had some sort of burn scar / brand on their shoulders or upper arm. Kind if where maybe a vaccination would be but it was long and stuck out like with a hot iron. Similar to the way cattle gets branded. These women had kids but they were beautiful. Is that some sort of tradition or punishment for Thai women? Perhaps a jealous boyfriend or ex husband to mark their territory or shame them in some way. I did google it and nothing came up. I saw it on three separate women. I didn't want to ask them so they didn't feel bad but I can tell it bothered them be / see they covered it up with a shaw or sleeves.
Anyone else seen this or know why they might have it? It wasn't a vaccination scar.
[QUOTE=Nclpimp; 1424825]I noticed several of the girls I hooked up with had some sort of burn scar / brand on their shoulders or upper arm.
Anyone else seen this or know why they might have it? It wasn't a vaccination scar.[/QUOTE]Most likely a keloid around the vaccination point. See [url]http://www.medicinenet.com/keloid/article.htm[/url] And Wikipedia (avoid looking at the pictures!)
Quite common in Asians
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1424712]I don't understand your hostility. The point of my post is few if any forum members need to worry about this issue. Most if not all forum members' home countries probably have double taxation treaties with Thailand. Oh and by the way, I don't work for the Thailand Inland Revenue Department; offering legal advice is Sunbelt Legal's business; and I spent less than five minutes on this matter.[/QUOTE]Oh nothing personal and no hostility, just responding to a topic that was rightfully brought up and I rightfully respond to is just a non issue. If we don't need to worry about this issue why continue to research and put forth a issue that is over a week old. To provide a legal source which you say took less that five minutes.
Read my previous responses that there are plenty of laws that aren't being followed here in Thailand including this one. So it's written on paper so you can google and quote it. Who cares? There is a law as to why many of us come here! Do you follow that and do you quote that? There are so many things Expats have to think and worry about living here that are laws that aren't applied and follow. There is no hostility just a irritation on the subject from two guys that seem to based everything that is written on paper that has no realistic application for those that live here.
LBM
[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1424825]I noticed several of the girls I hooked up with had some sort of burn scar / brand on their shoulders or upper arm. Kind if where maybe a vaccination would be but .snip! It wasn't a vaccination scar.[/QUOTE]Yes it is a vaccination scar. The dosage used in the vaccination in Thailand varies wildly. TTG
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1424899]two guys that seem to based everything that is written on paper that has no realistic application for those that live here.[/QUOTE]Perhaps this article will inspire you to reconsider that position:
[url]http://www.stickmanweekly.com/StickmanBangkokWeeklyColumn2010/Thailand-Farang-Business.htm[/url]
Also since my posts are moderated & you may have missed it as a result, please see post # 6183 this thread dated the 15th of May:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2184-General-Reports&p=1423045&viewfull=1#post1423045[/url]
[QUOTE=]Apparently there are two issue: (1) has your income been taxed in your home country and (2) does your home country have a double taxation treaty with Thailand. If the answers to both questions are yes, then you are not required to pay income tax in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I believe this comment from Paul Kausch is not necessarily the case as explained in post # 6162 of May 10th:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2184-General-Reports&p=1421093&viewfull=1#post1421093[/url]
The 'non-issue' of whether retirees living in Thailand are required to pay income tax drew enough interest to generate a number of posts.
Several people remarked never having heard of a retiree paying income tax in Thailand.
Some forum members incorrectly speculated the nature of the income was relevant or that we are guests in not residents of Thailand.
For example –
[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1423017]am I the only one thinking that this phrasing is important?"A resident of Thailand who in the previous tax year derived assessable income under Section 40 [B]from an employment or from business[/B] Carried on abroad. ." To me that does not include pensions.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Daddy07;1423128]Remember also that very few farangs are "residents" of Thailand. Even us expats who have non-immigrant visas are not considered residents, but guests. We don't pay income taxes.[/QUOTE]You suggested people should flaunt the law because there are many laws in Thailand that are unenforced.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1422992]The shit happens and maybe this is just one of millions that isn't being enforce. It seems maybe I'm wrong you feel guilty not paying your taxes here. Knock yourself out go in and demand to pay your share I'm share the corrupt official would welcome it.LBM[/QUOTE]The only post that accurately addressed the issue was by Bionicman.
[QUOTE=Bionicman;1420222]That means you pay income tax (on the pension) in USA. So somewhere you pay a tax. Whether it is cheaper or better to pay in USA or Thailand is another story. The countries usually have (reciprocal) treats avoiding double taxation.[/QUOTE]All I was doing is providing confirmation that Bionicman was correct in pointing out that this matter was addressed by double taxation treaties.
Suggesting people should ignore the matter because you don't give a shit is reckless advice. Of course, intelligent people recognize this. I think a much wiser life strategy is to understand the laws and which apply to you rather than indiscriminately ignoring them. Noise pollution and littering are not very serious matters. Prostitution is ignored or unevenly enforced in most countries. It is possible to get away with tax evasion; but getting a country's tax collector mad at you can have serious consequences. Fortunately, double taxation treaties sensibly address this matter.
[QUOTE=Nclpimp; 1424825]I noticed several of the girls I hooked up with had some sort of burn scar / brand on their shoulders or upper arm. Kind if where maybe a vaccination would be but it was long and stuck out like with a hot iron. Similar to the way cattle gets branded. These women had kids but they were beautiful. Is that some sort of tradition or punishment for Thai women? Perhaps a jealous boyfriend or ex husband to mark their territory or shame them in some way. I did google it and nothing came up. I saw it on three separate women. I didn't want to ask them so they didn't feel bad but I can tell it bothered them be / see they covered it up with a shaw or sleeves.
Anyone else seen this or know why they might have it? It wasn't a vaccination scar.[/QUOTE]It is a vaccination scar. If the girl in question was born before approximately 1972 it may be a smallpox vaccination scar. Otherwise, it's probably a TB vaccination scar. Maybe the BCG? Not common in the US.
[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1424825]It wasn't a vaccination scar.[/QUOTE]Every girl I've ever seen like that. It was a vaccination scar.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1424942]Suggesting people should ignore the matter because you don't give a shit is reckless advice. Of course, intelligent people recognize this. I think a much wiser life strategy is to understand the laws and which apply to you rather than indiscriminately ignoring them. Noise pollution and littering are not very serious matters. Prostitution is ignored or unevenly enforced in most countries. It is possible to get away with tax evasion; but getting a country's tax collector mad at you can have serious consequences. Fortunately, double taxation treaties sensibly address this matter.[/QUOTE]So what are [U]you[/U] Suggesting? I have been here for 6 years. The retirement visa renewal process is at best tedious and on one occasion impossible and I left Thailand for several months. And that was not tax related but some asinine issue with a bank that would not issue a letter of guarantee because "my branch" was in another city in Thailand. I could however close that account without returning to "my branch", so, did they have my money or not? Never in my experience here has the government brought up the topic of Thai income tax. Considering the bureaucratic hurdles that one must deal with here, there is no way in hell that I am going to voluntarily inquire. If they bring it up, fine. If it is truly a requirement then I suggest that some gov't organizations are not doing their jobs. I also believe that if I do not bring it up I am not flaunting the law. Explain to me why I should give a shit more than they do. On second thought don't bother. You and PP give a shit. I'm not going to give a shit until it's a real issue.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1424942]The 'non-issue' of whether retirees living in Thailand are required to pay income tax drew enough interest to generate a number of posts.
Several people remarked never having heard of a retiree paying income tax in Thailand.
Some forum members incorrectly speculated the nature of the income was relevant or that we are guests in not residents of Thailand.
All I was doing is providing confirmation that Bionicman was correct in pointing out that this matter was addressed by double taxation treaties.
Suggesting people should ignore the matter because you don't give a shit is reckless advice. Of course, intelligent people recognize this. I think a much wiser life strategy is to understand the laws and which apply to you rather than indiscriminately ignoring them. Noise pollution and littering are not very serious matters. Prostitution is ignored or unevenly enforced in most countries. It is possible to get away with tax evasion; but getting a country's tax collector mad at you can have serious consequences. Fortunately, double taxation treaties sensibly address this matter.[/QUOTE]I suggest that both you and Mr. Bionicman man don't have the slightest idea, not even a clue, of what you are talking about. Are you a lawyer? Is Bionicman a lawyer? Can you cite the Thai law which provides that foreign expats are required to pay income taxes in Thailand? Can you cite the double taxation treaty that applies? I think your advice is reckless, sir. You are the one who is ignorant and blowing smoke out of your ass. The immigration authorities know where I am. They know what my income is. They aren't sending the Thai taxman after me. Can you tell me why? I didn't think so.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1424938]Perhaps this article will inspire you to reconsider that position:
[url]http://www.stickmanweekly.com/StickmanBangkokWeeklyColumn2010/Thailand-Farang-Business.htm[/url]
Also since my posts are moderated & you may have missed it as a result, please see post # 6183 this thread dated the 15th of May:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2184-General-Reports&p=1423045&viewfull=1#post1423045[/url]
I believe this comment from Paul Kausch is not necessarily the case as explained in post # 6162 of May 10th:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2184-General-Reports&p=1421093&viewfull=1#post1421093[/url][/QUOTE]Nothing personal believe it or not? But this issue bugs me personally not because I'm scare that
Someone is coming to make me pay taxes. This isn't a issue that you guys need to go on and go
Go back on the other post no one but you two seems to give a shit about this topic. Once again it is a
Irritation to me that two guys yes only two guys that like to cited law and such and quote prints that.
Again have nothing to do with the real world.
I don't need to take the time to review your post moderated or not! I've seen some real stupid post and topic in my time here and this is pretty close to taking the cake?
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1424942]The 'non-issue' of whether retirees living in Thailand are required to pay income tax drew enough interest to generate a number of posts.
Several people remarked never having heard of a retiree paying income tax in Thailand.
Some forum members incorrectly speculated the nature of the income was relevant or that we are guests in not residents of Thailand.
For example –
You suggested people should flaunt the law because there are many laws in Thailand that are unenforced.
The only post that accurately addressed the issue was by Bionicman.
All I was doing is providing confirmation that Bionicman was correct in pointing out that this matter was addressed by double taxation treaties.
Suggesting people should ignore the matter because you don't give a shit is reckless advice. Of course, intelligent people recognize this. I think a much wiser life strategy is to understand the laws and which apply to you rather than indiscriminately ignoring them. Noise pollution and littering are not very serious matters. Prostitution is ignored or unevenly enforced in most countries. It is possible to get away with tax evasion; but getting a country's tax collector mad at you can have serious consequences. Fortunately, double taxation treaties sensibly address this matter.[/QUOTE]Personally speaking for myself I don't give a shit what you think is what actually intelligent people recognize! If you were so fucking intelligent you would see you are making a ass out of yourself and talking all this bullshit about understanding the law. Once again please do me a favor " I dare anyone to come to try to make me pay taxes here " You better bring a army! And make sure your tax collector wear his\
Pamper!
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1425092]I suggest that both you and Mr. Bionicman man don't have the slightest idea, not even a clue, of what you are talking about. Are you a lawyer? Is Bionicman a lawyer? Can you cite the Thai law which provides that foreign expats are required to pay income taxes in Thailand? Can you cite the double taxation treaty that applies? I think your advice is reckless, sir. You are the one who is ignorant and blowing smoke out of your ass. The immigration authorities know where I am. They know what my income is. They aren't sending the Thai taxman after me. Can you tell me why? I didn't think so.[/QUOTE]Like I said King of Jomtien, this are bunch of yoyo's who are scare of their own shadow. I have coffee each morning with a guy like this. Cites everything thinking he is intelligent by doing so like he is Google or
Something. Just this morning we were talking about a car air condition. He goes off talking about how it was invented, who is selling it and who buying it. I had enough got up walk over to him and told him take your coffee outside and sit in the corner until you come to your senses and can carry on a normal conversation with everyone. He thought I was joking I told him you have two choices " you can go out on your own or I will pick you up and put you outside myself "
They like to cite stats and such I wonder if they have to read the instructions on how to put a condom on too?
[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1425029]So what are [U]you[/U] Suggesting?[/QUOTE]My first post was very clear and explicit. Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand, the USA and many other countries have double taxation treaties with Thailand, so citizens of those countries are NOT required to pay income taxes in Thailand. I said NOTHING regarding the visa process.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1425092]I suggest that both you and Mr. Bionicman man don't have the slightest idea, not even a clue, of what you are talking about. Are you a lawyer? Is Bionicman a lawyer? Can you cite the Thai law which provides that foreign expats are required to pay income taxes in Thailand? Can you cite the double taxation treaty that applies? I think your advice is reckless, sir. You are the one who is ignorant and blowing smoke out of your ass. The immigration authorities know where I am. They know what my income is. They aren't sending the Thai taxman after me. Can you tell me why? I didn't think so.[/QUOTE]You completely misunderstand my post. What I said was that you do NOT have to pay income taxes in Thailand. This is why they are not sending the tax man after you. Below is the link to a PDF containing the Taxation Convention Treaty between the United States and Thailand.
[url]http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/thailand.pdf[/url]
Dang, my post was intended to let everyone know to NOT worry about this matter that PP originally brought up. There is no problem. This, and similar treaties with other countries covers the matter. Please, go back and read my original post.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1425096]Personally speaking for myself I don't give a shit what you think is what actually intelligent people recognize! If you were so fucking intelligent you would see you are making a ass out of yourself and talking all this bullshit about understanding the law. Once again please do me a favor " I dare anyone to come to try to make me pay taxes here " You better bring a army! And make sure your tax collector wear his\
Pamper![/QUOTE]I was surprised to read in one of your earlier posts on this subject that you are from the United States, which I probably means English is your first language. Until I read that, I was assuming English is not your first language and something was getting lost in the translation. Now, I don't know what to make of you and the other guys who have made this last flurry of posts.
Bionicman's post posited a plausible explanation, that there are probably double taxation treaties covering this matter. My post was confirming that Bioninman is correct.
Thailand has double taxation treaties with New Zealand, Great Britain, Australia, the USA and many other countries. Citizens of these countries are NOT required to pay income taxes in Thailand. Here for example is the treaty between Thailand and the USA.
[url]http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/thailand.pdf[/url]
Relax. No one is coming after you. By treaty, you do NOT owe any taxes to the Thai government as long as you are paying taxes in the USA (or what ever country you hold citizenship).
Now if you are not paying your taxes back home, you have a problem; and as the treaty only applies to people who are paying their taxes back home, you may also be creating a problem with the Thai government. If this is the case it is probably in your best interest to seek legal advice. I'm not an attorney, but I've been dealing with them for decades on a variety of matters, including complex contracts and taxes. I appreciate their expertise and services.
This article suggests to me some ideas how the cheap charlies can save a few baht to spend on the ladies:
[url]http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/thailand-urged-explore-edible-insect-market-cope-global-122122896.html[/url]
Isn't it a turn on to think of DFK TGs who've just eaten a bug sandwich?
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1425092]I suggest that both you and Mr. Bionicman man don't have the slightest idea, not even a clue, of what you are talking about. Are you a lawyer? Is Bionicman a lawyer? Can you cite the Thai law which provides that foreign expats are required to pay income taxes in Thailand? Can you cite the double taxation treaty that applies? .[/QUOTE]And are you a lawyer or a tax advisor either?
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1425142]This article suggests to me some ideas how the cheap charlies can save a few baht to spend on the ladies:
[url]http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/thailand-urged-explore-edible-insect-market-cope-global-122122896.html[/url]
Isn't it a turn on to think of DFK TGs who've just eaten a bug sandwich?[/QUOTE]No biggie if that happened. Just a cultural difference. My GF loves the bamboo worms and fried grasshoppers, but blanches at the thought of eating raw broccoli. :D
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1425111]My first post was very clear and explicit. Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand, the USA and many other countries have double taxation treaties with Thailand, so citizens of those countries are NOT required to pay income taxes in Thailand. I said NOTHING regarding the visa process.[/QUOTE]I know that you said nothing about the visa process and since you apparently think that my reference of it is irrelevant, I say you know nothing about living here.
[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1425341]I know that you said nothing about the visa process and since you apparently think that my reference of it is irrelevant, I say you know nothing about living here.[/QUOTE]I did not say the visa process is irrelevant. I wrote,"I said NOTHING regarding the visa process." Again, you completely miss construe what I wrote. My initial post only commented on the existence of treaties between Thailand and other countries that ensure citizens of those countries are nor obligated to pay Thai income tax on income that is being taxed by their home country.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1425113]You completely misunderstand my post. What I said was that you do NOT have to pay income taxes in Thailand. This is why they are not sending the tax man after you. Below is the link to a PDF containing the Taxation Convention Treaty between the United States and Thailand.
[url]http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/thailand.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]No, Paul, it is you who completely misunderstands MY post because you are still clinging to the nonsense that Bionicman spoon fed you. It's like the blind leading the blind because neither one of you knows what you are talking about, and as a result you both are misleading the membership here about a legal matter neither of you are qualified to intelligently discuss.
The reason why I and other Thailand expats don't pay Thailand income taxes has nothing whatsoever to do with that tax treaty you keep bloviating about. It has to do with our immigration status, but you don't seem to accept that explanation favoring Bionicman's nonsense instead. I am in Thailand on a non-immigrant retirement visa which means that I am not an immigrant or resident of Thailand, but only a GUEST in the country like I explained to you before. Guests such as tourists and retirement expats are not subject to paying Thailand income taxes because our income is solely derived from our home countries.
Now, on the other hand, if I became a Thai citizen, or changed my immigration status to resident; got a job here or established a business generating income here, then of course, I would be subject to paying Thailand income taxes. This is where your precious tax treaty would come into play. It provides that I would not be subjected to double taxation. If I'm paying Thai income taxes on income from Thailand I would't have to pay the same taxes on the same income to the USA government; and income I made from the USA could not be double taxed in both Thailand and the USA
Do you get it now?
And by the way, Bionicman, since you ask, yes I am in fact a lawyer and have been an attorney for the last 42 years if that makes any difference to you.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1425119]I was surprised to read in one of your earlier posts on this subject that you are from the United States, which I probably means English is your first language. Until I read that, I was assuming English is not your first language and something was getting lost in the translation. Now, I don't know what to make of you and the other guys who have made this last flurry of posts.
Bionicman's post posited a plausible explanation, that there are probably double taxation treaties covering this matter. My post was confirming that Bioninman is correct.
Thailand has double taxation treaties with New Zealand, Great Britain, Australia, the USA and many other countries. Citizens of these countries are NOT required to pay income taxes in Thailand. Here for example is the treaty between Thailand and the USA.
[url]http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/thailand.pdf[/url]
Relax. No one is coming after you. By treaty, you do NOT owe any taxes to the Thai government as long as you are paying taxes in the USA (or what ever country you hold citizenship).
Now if you are not paying your taxes back home, you have a problem; and as the treaty only applies to people who are paying their taxes back home, you may also be creating a problem with the Thai government. If this is the case it is probably in your best interest to seek legal advice. I'm not an attorney, but I've been dealing with them for decades on a variety of matters, including complex contracts and taxes. I appreciate their expertise and services.[/QUOTE]I'll let you get in the last jab if you like? Just a reminder to you before I leave this subject? This topic and this forum check out the rules isn't about grammer or writing! I'll be the first to state although I'm from the USA it doesn't mean I got a " LiLLY WHITE EDUCATION " like yourself. I don't blame or resent the USA I have only myself to blame! People like you can't win a argument give them a little bit of slack and the race comes into it. People like you can't help themselves you are basically a hidden racist!
You might want to leave Bionicman out of this he isn't going to help you because the foot up your ass was placed there by yourself! I like everyone else including President Obama, VP Joe Bide, Apple will do what it takes to pay as little taxes or nothing at all. As for seeking seeking legal action or advice or creating a problem with the Thai government I have in the past and I'm done with their legal system now I do what I've always done " do my best and go down the right road as long as possible but here it is a eye for a eye as far as I'm concern " you can do what you like pay taxes and kiss lots of ass like you have been doing it seems to work for you!
This has nothing to do with complex contracts or taxes since we can't be as intelligent as you or a well educated American like yourself that holds a first class citizenship like yourself. See I am a American born and raise in the USA which is a vast country not all Lilly White with flowers where you came from. Get in your last word cite all laws and such but I'll do you a favor and end my portion here because you don't want to go further with me for your own sake. Take it as you like I just hope your first rate education gets you to understand what I just said. K. I. S. S. Keep it simple stupid!
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1425360]The reason why I and other Thailand expats don't pay Thailand income taxes has nothing whatsoever to do with that tax treaty you keep bloviating about. It has to do with our immigration status, but you don't seem to accept that explanation favoring Bionicman's nonsense instead. I am in Thailand on a non-immigrant retirement visa which means that I am not an immigrant or resident of Thailand, but only a GUEST in the country like I explained to you before. Guests such as tourists and retirement expats are not subject to paying Thailand income taxes because our income is solely derived from our home countries.
Now, on the other hand, if I became a Thai citizen, or changed my immigration status to resident; got a job here or established a business generating income here, then of course, I would be subject to paying Thailand income taxes. This is where your precious tax treaty would come into play. It provides that I would not be subjected to double taxation. If I'm paying Thai income taxes on income from Thailand I would't have to pay the same taxes on the same income to the USA government; and income I made from the USA could not be double taxed in both Thailand and the USA[/QUOTE]Thank you for posting. Some of the recent posts have been confusing or not made any sense at all. I have discussed various visa options over the last year with the Thai Consulate in the US, but did not discuss the tax issue because I didn't think it was an issue until I started reading some of these posts. Also I have only recently given serious consideration to the retirement visa. Good to hear from someone who is actually there on a retirement visa.
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1425360]No, Paul, it is you who completely misunderstands MY post because you are still clinging to the nonsense that Bionicman spoon fed you. It's like the blind leading the blind because neither one of you knows what you are talking about, and as a result you both are misleading the membership here about a legal matter neither of you are qualified to intelligently discuss.
The reason why I and other Thailand expats don't pay Thailand income taxes has nothing whatsoever to do with that tax treaty you keep bloviating about. It has to do with our immigration status, but you don't seem to accept that explanation favoring Bionicman's nonsense instead. I am in Thailand on a non-immigrant retirement visa which means that I am not an immigrant or resident of Thailand, but only a GUEST in the country like I explained to you before. Guests such as tourists and retirement expats are not subject to paying Thailand income taxes because our income is solely derived from our home countries.
Now, on the other hand, if I became a Thai citizen, or changed my immigration status to resident; got a job here or established a business generating income here, then of course, I would be subject to paying Thailand income taxes. This is where your precious tax treaty would come into play. It provides that I would not be subjected to double taxation. If I'm paying Thai income taxes on income from Thailand I would't have to pay the same taxes on the same income to the USA government; and income I made from the USA could not be double taxed in both Thailand and the USA.
Daddy07,
Wow! All I can say is I'm a American and didn't get a first rate education and would never insult another person that the reason my point isn't valid is because I can't write as well like you. I'm not a lawyer but living here and simply reading the Thai law I could see that it doesn't apply as noted in the law!
Now why can't smart ass figure that out? Oh wait lets here what he has to say now? I'm sure when he gets through with kissing all the ass in his office along with the all the Thai asses he will find the time to go on Google and come up with another stupid reason just so he could be right. No wonder he is here working in Thailand who the hell wants another kiss ass in the USA
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1425367]
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1425360]No, Paul, it is you who completely misunderstand MY post because. /QUOTE]Have only read the above post, not the previous to-ing and fro-ing. LBM seems to be talking sense. Am I right when I say, looks like if you are in Thailand to SPEND money your good to go. If your in Thailand to MAKE money, then there are tax considerations?
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1425360]No, Paul, it is you who completely misunderstands MY post because you are still clinging to the nonsense that Bionicman spoon fed you.[/QUOTE]Daddy07,
I'm not trying to pick a fight. I have a real interest in this issue and want to fully understand the tax implications of retiring in Thailand.
What caught my attention was the Sunbelt Legal answer to a question from a person who is living in Thailand on a "retirement stay," which I took to mean a retirement visa. I noted the similarities between Bionicman's post and the Sunbelt Legal answer. I understood Bionicman was suggesting this was a matter dealt with through double taxation treaties, something I have some familiarity with. His post sounded reasonable to me.
Now you also write:
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1425360]The reason why I and other Thailand expats don't pay Thailand income taxes has nothing whatsoever to do with that tax treaty you keep bloviating about. It has to do with our immigration status, but you don't seem to accept that explanation favoring Bionicman's nonsense instead. I am in Thailand on a non-immigrant retirement visa which means that I am not an immigrant or resident of Thailand, but only a GUEST in the country like I explained to you before. Guests such as tourists and retirement expats are not subject to paying Thailand income taxes because our income is solely derived from our home countries.[/QUOTE]I am having difficulty reconciling what you are saying with the Sunbelt Legal answer to this question. Again, I am not trying to be argumentative. I just want to understand the issue. Their answer to the retired person living in Thailand seems to completely contradict what you are saying.
Sunbelt Legal states:
[I]1."According the Revenue Code anyone who stays in Thailand for a total of 180 days a tax year are deemed a resident of Thailand for tax purposes and must file Thai taxes if they are earning income either domestically or overseas."[/I]
They seem to be saying this is a tax issue and has nothing to do with the type of visa one has been issued; and they unequivocally state that everyone who stays in Thailand for over 180 days a year is required to file a tax return, even if their income is from overseas. Of course the tax return could show one owes no taxes to the Thai government.
[I]2."According to the Revenue Code under Section 40 funds like gratuity and pension will also be considered as income."[/I]
So they also state Thailand treats the proceeds from a pension as income.
[I]3."Has this funding been taxed at your home country prior to the transferring into Thailand? If no, then you will have to file (pay) taxes in Thailand. If yes, you will need to check to see if your home country has entered into a Double Taxation Treaty with Thailand. If you country has entered into a Double Taxation Treaty with Thailand, then you will not have to pay taxes in Thailand."[/I]
Now this seems to be the crux of the matter. They say, if you are paying taxes in your home country and it has a double taxation treaty with Thailand, you will owe no income tax in Thailand.
I understand Sunbelt Legal Asia is a Bangkok based Thai law firm with in house accountants who have expertise in Thai tax law.
My question is: who is right? I hope you are because that will make things simpler. However, I have few expectations that tax matters will ever be simple.
I took interest in this issue because Thailand is one of several countries I am considering living in when I retire in a few years. Tax implications are an important consideration for me. When PinkPearl first raised the issue he wrote,"Retiring in LOS is no good if you want to avoid paying Thai income taxes on non Thai income (such as a pension)" etc. This didn't seem right and I made a mental note to be sure to discuss this matter with a knowledgeable attorney at the appropriate time. When I ran across the Q&A in the legal section of Stickman's article I thought it would be useful to post the information.
Paul
[QUOTE=Hobbyist2;1425366]Thank you for posting. Some of the recent posts have been confusing or not made any sense at all. I have discussed various visa options over the last year with the Thai Consulate in the US, but did not discuss the tax issue because I didn't think it was an issue until I started reading some of these posts. Also I have only recently given serious consideration to the retirement visa. Good to hear from someone who is actually there on a retirement visa.[/QUOTE]Hobbyist2,
You can read for yourself Sunbelt Legal Asia's answer, compare it to what some forum members are saying and draw your own conclusions. As for me, when the time comes I am going to talk to a good Thai law firm with expertise in Thai tax law.
Once again here is the complete text to the Sunbelt Legal Q&A:
[I]Question 1: This is my first year on retirement stay in Thailand as a single man. No earning income activity here or abroad. Is it legal not to file an income tax here? If yes, can I obtain an official document to confirm it. Thanks.
Sunbelt Asia Legal Advisers responds: It's difficult to get too specific on the limited information but a broad answer would be that firstly it would depend on the length of your stay in Thailand. According the Revenue Code anyone who stays in Thailand for a total of 180 days a tax year are deemed a resident of Thailand for tax purposes and must file Thai taxes if they are earning income either domestically or overseas.
You will then need to consider the type of funding used to apply for your retirement visa (your savings, your gratuity or your pension). According to the Revenue Code under Section 40 funds like gratuity and pension will also be considered as income.
Has this funding been taxed at your home country prior to the transferring into Thailand? If no, then you will have to file (pay) taxes in Thailand. If yes, you will need to check to see if your home country has entered into a Double Taxation Treaty with Thailand. If your country has entered into a Double Taxation Treaty with Thailand, then you will not have to pay taxes in Thailand, but if there is no double taxation treaty, whether your source had paid tax on the transfer funds back at your home country, you would still need to file for Thai tax.
Sunbelt Asia Legal Advisors has an experienced accounting team, well versed in handling expat tax issues. We can provide assistance in helping you determine if you owe taxes or not. [/I]
Here is the link to the Stickman Weekly column containing this Q&A. The Sunbelt Legal Asia section is towards the end of the column.
[url]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/StickmanWeeklyColumn2013/Timeless-Patpong.htm[/url]
Good luck.
Paul
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1425362]I'll let you get in the last jab if you like? Just a reminder to you before I leave this subject? This topic and this forum check out the rules isn't about grammer or writing! I'll be the first to state although I'm from the USA it doesn't mean I got a " LiLLY WHITE EDUCATION " like yourself. I don't blame or resent the USA I have only myself to blame! People like you can't win a argument give them a little bit of slack and the race comes into it. People like you can't help themselves you are basically a hidden racist!
You might want to leave Bionicman out of this he isn't going to help you because the foot up your ass was placed there by yourself! I like everyone else including President Obama, VP Joe Bide, Apple will do what it takes to pay as little taxes or nothing at all. As for seeking seeking legal action or advice or creating a problem with the Thai government I have in the past and I'm done with their legal system now I do what I've always done " do my best and go down the right road as long as possible but here it is a eye for a eye as far as I'm concern " you can do what you like pay taxes and kiss lots of ass like you have been doing it seems to work for you!
This has nothing to do with complex contracts or taxes since we can't be as intelligent as you or a well educated American like yourself that holds a first class citizenship like yourself. See I am a American born and raise in the USA which is a vast country not all Lilly White with flowers where you came from. Get in your last word cite all laws and such but I'll do you a favor and end my portion here because you don't want to go further with me for your own sake. Take it as you like I just hope your first rate education gets you to understand what I just said. K. I. S. S. Keep it simple stupid![/QUOTE]Really? PK mentions grammar and now he's a hidden racist? WTF? Methinks thou doth protest too much. Seems to me you brought up racism and race. Perhaps you have an inferiority complex?
I will say I don't understand the moderation of this thread. I make a sarcastic comment to a member and my posts get nuked and I get a warning. You make threats against other members and nothing?
But that is neither here, nor there. Let's leave race out of this. You really don't want to go there.
[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1425408]Really? PK mentions grammar and now he's a hidden racist? WTF? Methinks thou doth protest too much. Seems to me you brought up racism and race. Perhaps you have an inferiority complex?
I will say I don't understand the moderation of this thread. I make a sarcastic comment to a member and my posts get nuked and I get a warning. You make threats against other members and nothing?
But that is neither here, nor there. Let's leave race out of this. You really don't want to go there. [/QUOTE.
Where I'm from when a guy brings up and questions in his post regarding that I'm a American but write as if I'm not which of course you don't get it either is a racist comment. His comment is no different when I use to travel to North Carolina and I'm standing in line at Big Mac and a small white kid looks at me like he never seen a Asian before and ask " are you from here?"
If you are able to read between the lines he did his little research and saw that I was a American because he didn't understand my comments and didn't like the way I was writing or my grammar therefore now it isn't my first langauge? Let leave race out of this? I will go where it needs to go and that includes you. Race is everywhere on this board! I'll make sure the next time you take you white sheets to the laundry that they come back nice and iron for you to wear. You perceive whatever threats you want to make of it personally I don't care one why or another.
Do me and yourself a favor don't respond and put me on your ignore list.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1425360]I am in Thailand on a non-immigrant retirement visa which means that I am not an immigrant or resident of Thailand, but only a GUEST in the country like I explained to you before.[/QUOTE]From my reading it seems that it matters not what type of visa you have or no visa at all since, if you spend more than half a year in Thailand, then for tax purposes you are considered a "resident of Thailand" and also subject to paying taxes on your worldwide income, including income from another country. As many Thai legal & accounting sites state the following or its equivalent:
"An individual who lives in Thailand for more than the period or periods totaling at least 180 days in any tax (calendar) year is deemed to be a resident of Thailand. He is subject to tax on all assessable income derived from sources within the country, whether paid within or outside Thailand."
[url]http://www.siam-legal.com/Business-in-Thailand/thailand-income-tax.php[/url]
A couple exceptions to the above are indicated as follows:
"Thai residents are taxed on their foreign source-income only if the income is brought into Thailand in the year it is derived (repatriation in later years is exempt from personal income tax)."
[url]http://www.taxrates.cc/html/thailand-tax-rates.html[/url]
So the type of visa one has is entirely irrelevant to whether or not an individual is subject to paying Thai taxes.
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1425360]Guests such as tourists and retirement expats are not subject to paying Thailand income taxes because our income is solely derived from our home countries.[/QUOTE]Incorrect as per that stated above. Moreover a retired expat living in Thailand could be recieving an income from various countries, including Thailand, rather than "solely from their home country", and do so without working or being employed in Thailand or elsewhere. All such incomes would be subject to Thai tax if brought into the Kingdom in the same year it is earned, obtained or paid out, such as for example a pension, annuity, rental income, investment earnings, etc.
Even a "tourist" may be subject to paying Thai tax on foreign (non Thai) income if he spends more than half of any calendar year "touring" in Thailand. It makes no difference if he considers himself a "guest" to LOS, uses tourist visas, any other type of visa or no visa at all.
BTW as regards your often use of the term "guests" to Thailand, in having read dozens of Thai tax law sites I've never seen one of them use that word. Perhaps you should define it & document from Thai legal sites and Thai tax law what you are referring to. If you are a lawyer of Thai or other law, that would be helpful in trying to support your case and explain clearly what you are talking about, so that it might be credible.
[QUOTE=Sxxxx; 1425378][QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1425367]. No, Paul, it is you who completely misunderstand MY post because. /QUOTE]Have only read the above post, not the previous to-ing and fro-ing. LBM seems to be talking sense. Am I right when I say, looks like if you are in Thailand to SPEND money your not involved in tax considerations. If your in Thailand to MAKE money, then there is involvement with Thai tax collectors?
LBM, am I right? Thanks.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1425434]
Where I'm from when a guy brings up and questions in his post regarding that I'm a American but write as if I'm not which of course you don't get it either is a racist comment. His comment is no different when I use to travel to North Carolina and I'm standing in line at Big Mac and a small white kid looks at me like he never seen a Asian before and ask " are you from here?"
If you are able to read between the lines he did his little research and saw that I was a American because he didn't understand my comments and didn't like the way I was writing or my grammar therefore now it isn't my first langauge? Let leave race out of this? I will go where it needs to go and that includes you. Race is everywhere on this board! I'll make sure the next time you take you white sheets to the laundry that they come back nice and iron for you to wear. You perceive whatever threats you want to make of it personally I don't care one why or another.
Do me and yourself a favor don't respond and put me on your ignore list.[/QUOTE]
Well, you certainly are a big man when behind a keyboard.
But if you think that crying victim and playing the race card will suddenly stifle all criticism, you have another think coming.
It's hard to imagine the horror you must have felt when some dopey kid asked if you were from there. The pain, the ignominy, the humiliation. I'm surprised you were able to function at all for the rest of your life.
It may surprise you to know, but many of us have also been on the receiving end of racist remarks. Oddly enough, in my case, it's been mostly by Asians. I live in a heavily Chinese area. I eat at a lot of very authentic Chinese restaurants. You would not believe the looks and funny comments a lone white guy gets when he's the only one in the place. I've had people stop me and ask me if I was lost. But, you know what? Instead of pissing my pants I smiled, ate, enjoyed it and, after a couple of visits there was never another hint of a problem. BTW, have you ever been denied admittance to a place because you were white? I guess that sort of racism is OK because it's practiced by an Asian?
When my kid was going to school he had many run-ins with racist Asian kids who didn't like white kids and made no secret of that fact. After he punched a couple of them, and showed he wasn't a pussy, the problems stopped and they got along fine.
The point is, we could all just collapse in a whining quivering pile of jelly, or (in your case) walk around with a giant chip on our shoulder. Or we can toughen up a bit and learn to get along.
[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1425459]Well, you certainly are a big man when behind a keyboard.
But if you think that crying victim and playing the race card will suddenly stifle all criticism, you have another think coming.
It's hard to imagine the horror you must have felt when some dopey kid asked if you were from there. The pain, the ignominy, the humiliation. I'm surprised you were able to function at all for the rest of your life.
It may surprise you to know, but many of us have also been on the receiving end of racist remarks. Oddly enough, in my case, it's been mostly by Asians. I live in a heavily Chinese area. I eat at a lot of very authentic Chinese restaurants. You would not believe the looks and funny comments a lone white guy gets when he's the only one in the place. I've had people stop me and ask me if I was lost. But, you know what? Instead of pissing my pants I smiled, ate, enjoyed it and, after a couple of visits there was never another hint of a problem. BTW, have you ever been denied admittance to a place because you were white? I guess that sort of racism is OK because it's practiced by an Asian?
When my kid was going to school he had many run-ins with racist Asian kids who didn't like white kids and made no secret of that fact. After he punched a couple of them, and showed he wasn't a pussy, the problems stopped and they got along fine.
The point is, we could all just collapse in a whining quivering pile of jelly, or (in your case) walk around with a giant chip on our shoulder. Or we can toughen up a bit and learn to get along.[/QUOTE]We all have life experience but as for the dopie kids it didn't bother me because it was taught by his dopie dad. You can't blame the kid for that.
I'm not going to debate with you as to whether you had a worse upbringing than me but I'm not the one bringing in the race card it was brought up in a way P. K. But I guess in your hurry to defend him or be offended by the so call race card you miss it but I guess it needs to be spelled out to you! In all the conversation or debate I ask you " what the hell does my race or the implication as to how I come across or write have anything to do with me being a American? Look at his past post where in any of the conversation in difference in point of view, where in any of my post regarding how I feel about so call taxes has anything to do with being a American?
Regardless, of your story I support way it happen I don't dispute any of it and racism is racism no matter what color. I myself grew up having the same thing happen to me but my response to him not you was not brought up at anytime by me.
As for the hiding behind a computer and being a big man. It works both ways I'm not the only one writing behind the computer! If it bothers you and this isn't a threat and but you brought it up and I hope Jackson or the moderator understands the position I'm taking. I live in Thailand, two or three times of the year I make trips home to the California and I will be making trips soon to Burma, Mai Sai area north of Thailand and into Hong Kong and China!
I live otherwise mainly in Pattaya and have no problem coming into Bangkok or any area you live or travel to personally resolve this matter if you feel I'm hiding behind the computer. I haven't made any direct threats to anyone on this board but only saying I have no intention of paying any type of tax as suggested by other posters and if taxes are to be collected from me here my assumption is that they will be Thai? I came here to live with the best intention but it hasn't worked out as I planned. I didn't built this chip it was done by the Thais that I have encounter and I have put up with more shit from them and still I don't hate them but if they want their taxes that is another thing?
I have no problem with you but you are defending a statement made by another poster I made a responds to a remark I felt was racist since the discussion had nothing to do with me being a American or Not! You also missed his jab to others who disagree with his view regarding " Intelligents " I admired your fortitude for defending the guy but the ball is in your court as to whether you want to defend him further?
The ball is in your court just let me know.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1425395]Hobbyist2,
You can read for yourself Sunbelt Legal Asia's answer, compare it to what some forum members are saying and draw your own conclusions. As for me, when the time comes I am going to talk to a good Thai law firm with expertise in Thai tax law.
Good luck.
Paul[/QUOTE]Thanks, but I will just check with the Thai Consulate. I hope to contact them today. Also, I don't make decisions of that type based on info from internet forums. I prefer to go straight to the source. At least D 07 is actually there on a retirement visa so I would be more likely to believe his story.
My interest in the retirement visa would be for convenience, so I could visit for numerous months without making visa runs. I qualify for it, but I have no intention of living in Thailand on a permanent basis. Although that could be an option at some point down the road.
[QUOTE=Hobbyist2;1425515]Thanks, but I will just check with the Thai Consulate. I hope to contact them today. Also, I don't make decisions of that type based on info from internet forums. I prefer to go straight to the source. At least D 07 is actually there on a retirement visa so I would be more likely to believe his story.[/QUOTE]I think you are very wise to check with the Thai Consulate. I think it would be very helpful if you were to post what you learn. I would also check with a Thai tax specialist. Would you talk to the US State Department about a US tax matter? The Thai Consulate is run by Thailand's equivalent. If I was dealing with a US Consulate that had an in-house tax specialist, I'd still talk to an experienced CPA with income tax expertise.
I hope Daddy07 is correct; however, his opinion seems to be contradicted by Sunbelt Legal Asia's answer to the man living in Thailand on a retirement visa. Knowing the man has a retirement visa, the first issue they raise is the number of days in the year a person stays in Thailand (180 days). [B]They then state that everyone who passes this threshold is required to file taxes in Thailand. [/B] Sounds like a person staying in Thailand on a series of tourist visas by making frequent boarder runs is subject to filing Thai taxes if he stays in Thailand for over 180 days; however, this person may not owe any Thai taxes. They go on to add that a pension is considered taxable income. Note here they write,"You will then need to consider the type of funding used to apply for your [B]retirement visa[/B]." They close by stating owing taxes is determined by whether you pay taxes in your home country and your country has a double taxation treaty.
Their answer is clear to me. So now the question is whether Sunbelt Legal Asia knows what they are talking about. They are a Bangkok law firm who represent themselves as having Thai tax law expertise. Daddy07 says he is an attorney with many years of legal experience. Where was his legal practice? In Thailand? Is he also a Thai chartered accountant? Does he have formal knowledge of Thai tax law? He may know what he's talking about. However, every week Sunbelt Legal Asia answers legal questions in Stickman's column. Would he have them as a regular section in his column if they did not know what they are talking about?
Finally, I also found an online article by CNBC on retiring in Thailand. The article was in part based on information from the Tourism Authority of Thailand. In one section, here is what CNBC wrote. [I]"An individual is considered a Thai resident, and therefore subject to taxation, if they're in the country for at least 180 days during the calendar year."[/I] So this article also states that the number of days is the deciding factor.
Regardless, when the time comes, I'm going to talk to a Thai chartered accountant who deals with such matters.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1425360]No, Paul, it is you who completely misunderstands MY post . I am in Thailand on a non-immigrant retirement visa which means that I am not an immigrant or resident of Thailand, but only a GUEST in the country like I explained to you before. Guests such as tourists and retirement expats are not subject to paying Thailand income taxes because our income is solely derived from our home countries.[/QUOTE]Finally, a credible post on this topic. Makes perfect sense.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1425540]Finally, a credible post on this topic. Makes perfect sense.[/QUOTE]Are you sure this is credible or are you just hopeful? Read any of my posts that quote word for word what a Thai law firm with tax law expertise has to say on this matter. They seem to completely contradict what Daddy07 is saying. A little while ago I spent about 30 minutes looking online for information on this topic. I found information that corroborates various parts of the Sunbelt Law Asia answer to this question and contradicted nothing they stated. I did not find one other source that corroborates any part of Daddy07's claim. I am not an expert on this matter. I do not think Daddy07 is an expert on this matter. Notice that in their answer Sunbelt law makes specific reference to section of the Thai Revenue Code. Does Daddy07 provide any corroborative evidence for his assertion?
I'll repeat myself. I hope Daddy07 is right and I am getting worked up over nothing. I just cannot reconcile what he says and what Sunbelt Law says.
All I know is that I am going to talk to the Thai Consulate and a Thai law firm that deals with this stuff before I begin executing any plans to retire in Thailand.
This is too important a matter for me to rely on what anyone on this forum (first person included) has to say. I'm going to talk to real experts.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1425530]I think you are very wise to check with the Thai Consulate. I think it would be very helpful if you were to post what you learn.
I hope Daddy07 is correct; however, his opinion seems to be contradicted by Sunbelt Legal Asia's answer to the man living in Thailand on a retirement visa.[/QUOTE]I tried to contact the same consulate that I communicated with in the past and all I get is recordings that describe the process, but no option to talk with a real person. I will try again and also see if there is an email option.
Of course I will share any info I get. I know there are contradictions from seemingly notable sources here. That is why there is more homework to do to give me the confidence I need so I can make the correct choices. Since Daddy07 is there with the retirement visa, I give that extra credibility.
Thanks for your efforts and I hope we settle this to satisfy all of our concerns.
[QUOTE=Hobbyist2; 1425584]I tried to contact the same consulate that I communicated with in the past and all I get is recordings that describe the process, but no option to talk with a real person. I will try again and also see if there is an email option.
Of course I will share any info I get. I know there are contradictions from seemingly notable sources here. That is why there is more homework to do to give me the confidence I need so I can make the correct choices. Since Daddy07 is there with the retirement visa, I give that extra credibility.
Thanks for your efforts and I hope we settle this to satisfy all of our concerns.[/QUOTE]Getting a real person on the telephone at a consulate can be a problem. Good luck.
I don't have the expertise to sort through the contradictions; and I hope Daddy07 is right. I don't care if I'm right or wrong. I just want to know the answer.
A few hours ago I sent an email to Stickman detailing the contradictions and asking him to get Sunbelt Legal Asia to comment. On their website they claim to be Thailand's largest legal and business service network and to have been in operation in Bangkok since 1979. Immigration and taxes are two of their practice area. I may get no response, but if I learn anything I will share in a future post.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1425530]I think you are very wise to check with the Thai Consulate.[/QUOTE]What is stated in your post is pretty uch common to many countries, ie the 180 day rules, the reciprocal taxation or avoidance of double taxation etc etc First of it is all pretty much common sense, it is meant to avoid somebody slips out of control getting into nowhere land.
Just as lots of people think that buying through internet will avoid local taxes (and also the sending country taxes) : government are there to collect taxes and money. Customs are the arm of this procedure. Still people says it is cheapre to buy from internet, till the parcel arrives in "his" customs office and an import duty bill is reaised. There are indeed things slipping out of control but often based in false declarations.
[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1425663]What is stated in your post is pretty much common to many countries, ie the 180 day rules, the reciprocal taxation or avoidance of double taxation etc etc First of it is all pretty much common sense, it is meant to avoid somebody slips out of control getting into nowhere land.
Just as lots of people think that buying through internet will avoid local taxes (and also the sending country taxes) : government are there to collect taxes and money. Customs are the arm of this procedure. Still people says it is cheaper to buy from internet, till the parcel arrives in "his" customs office and an import duty bill is raised. There are indeed things slipping out of control but often based in false declarations.[/QUOTE]You seem to know what you're talking about regarding the 180 days rules and tax agreements. I've never had to deal with either, but have known people who have, all in the context of work. I don't know that much about retirement yet. The Sunbelt legal answer also made sense.
It would be nice if Daddy07 is right, but I'll be very surprised if he is. What he is claiming would be a huge loophole that does not benefit the sort of people government revenue agencies try to favor.
[quote=pinkpearl; 1425448]as many thai legal & accounting sites state the following or its equivalent:
"an individual who lives in thailand for more than the period or periods totaling at least 180 days in any tax (calendar) year is deemed to be a resident of thailand. he is subject to tax on all assessable income derived from sources within the country, whether paid within or outside thailand."
[url]http://www.siam-legal.com/business-in-thailand/thailand-income-tax.php[/url]
a couple exceptions to the above are indicated as follows:
"thai residents are taxed on their foreign source-income only if the income is brought into thailand in the year it is derived (repatriation in later years is exempt from personal income tax)."[/quote]so this "law" you quote provides that a resident is subject to tax on income derived from sources within the country; but then you quote an exception which provides that tax on foreign source income is assessed only if the income is brought into thailand, etc.
plainly, these two provisions contradict each other and as such this so-called "internet source law" makes no sense.
all the money i have in thailand is derived from sources in my home country. the thai authorities know how much i bring in to the penney. i report it every year and they get a copy of my bank account ledger so they know exactly all the details of my finances. yet these thai government authorities have never required me to file a thai tax return nor have they ever assessed thai income taxes against me. and i've been living here continually for almost 6 years now; thats a bit more than 180 days by my calculations.
am i supposed to ask them whether they want me to pay income taxes?
i have never heard of a single instance in which a thai expat holding a nonimmigrant retirement visa, much less a tourist, has been required to pay a thailand income taxes and i know there are some very rich expats and tourists who have been her for years.
yes, i'm a lawyer but i certainly don't claim or pretend to know everything there is to know about thai law. i wasn't trained in thai law so i admit i could be wrong. i do know that i have had extensive dealings with the thai immigration authorities. i report to them every 90 days. i provide complete financial information to them every year, yet not once has the subject of thailand income taxes ever been mentioned; not a peep about it.
i also know that i don't go around looking for opportunities to pay more taxes. i file a tax return every year in the usa my home country. if i didn't file one they would come after me and force me to do it or put me in jail. i've never filed a tax return in thailand because i'm not required to do so. if i was, the authorities would come after me. after all, they know where i am and how much money i bring into their country. they know everything!
it would be different if i were receiving money from sources in thailand. i said that before. but in order for me to get a job in thailand or establish a business here to earn money in thailand i would have to change my immigration status and i would no longer be considered just a guest here.
so i think that all this hysterical bullshit about expats and tourists having to file tax returns and pay income taxes in thailand if they are here more than 180 days on money they receive in their home country is just not based upon reality but speculation, rumor and conjecture instead.
it's a lot of worry over nothing.
btw -- pinky, old man; i know you've lived in thailand for a fairly long time, and seem to know all about thailand tax laws judging from your quotes above.
did you file your thailand income tax return this year? how about last year? have you ever filed one?
[quote=daddy07; 1425689]so this "law" you quote provides that a resident is subject to tax on income derived from sources within the country; but then you quote an exception which provides that tax on foreign source income is assessed only if the income is brought into thailand, etc.
plainly, these two provisions contradict each other and as such this so-called "internet source law" makes no sense.[/quote]point taken, but you should have read a little further into the article where it states:
"tax is levied as follows: pensions and retirement pay brought into thailand."
that is the unanimous opinion of all the thai legal sites i've seen on the subject as well as the thai tax law itself, which i've read and previously quoted recently in this thread with a link. you might try reading it sometime, eh?
[quote=daddy07; 1425689]all the money i have in thailand is derived from sources in my home country. the thai authorities know how much i bring in to the penney. i report it every year and they get a copy of my bank account ledger so they know exactly all the details of my finances. yet these thai government authorities have never required me to file a thai tax return nor have they ever assessed thai income taxes against me. and i've been living here continually for almost 6 years now; thats a bit more than 180 days by my calculations.
am i supposed to ask them whether they want me to pay income taxes?[/quote]you should talk to or refer to tax authorities about tax matters, not immigration people. why should immigration people baby you about matters that don't concern them? when you go to your barber do you seek medical help?
you should know the laws re your responsibilities before you enter a country or ignorantly break those laws, such as what may happen to you if you speak uncouthly about the royalty of the kingdom or your responsibility to file a thai income tax return.
are you aware of the extremely heavy penalties if you do not file in siam, owe taxes there & are caught?
[quote=daddy07; 1425689]i have never heard of a single instance in which a thai expat holding a nonimmigrant retirement visa, much less a tourist, has been required to pay a thailand income taxes and i know there are some very rich expats and tourists who have been her for years.[/quote]have you asked any of them if they filed a return or owe taxes? perhaps not because it is none of your business. but if you did ask them, what did they say? if they filed a return they may have not owed any tax because they did not bring any, or enough, monies into thailand in the year it was earned to owe anything. very "rich expats" would probably have little trouble avoiding paying thai taxes since they would likely be able to bring into los monies and live off of the same monies that were not earned in the same year they were brought in. iow monies that were not taxable. so they owe no income tax to thailand.
i'd suggest you should speak to some thai tax lawyers & accountants & see how many expat retirees they have helped to file or pay their thai taxes. they will tell you that by law you are required to file a thai tax return since you are a tax "resident of thailand". i'll look forward to you reporting back here what they tell you, though i'm sure it will not surprise me.
[quote=daddy07; 1425689]yes, i'm a lawyer but i certainly don't claim or pretend to know everything there is to know about thai law. i wasn't trained in thai law so i admit i could be wrong. i do know that i have had extensive dealings with the thai immigration authorities. i report to them every 90 days. i provide complete financial information to them every year, yet not once has the subject of thailand income taxes ever been mentioned; not a peep about it.[/quote]you & thousands of others. yet immigration grunts are not tax authorities. why should they care about your responsibility to file a thai tax return & pay any taxes to thailand that you are owing? it isn't their job any more than your mps job to help you pay your taxes. the only thing on their mind is what they are going to eat for their next meal, spicy som tam or a bug sandwich.
[quote=daddy07; 1425689]i also know that i don't go around looking for opportunities to pay more taxes. i file a tax return every year in the usa my home country. if i didn't file one they would come after me and force me to do it or put me in jail. i've never filed a tax return in thailand because i'm not required to do so. if i was, the authorities would come after me. after all, they know where i am and how much money i bring into their country. they know everything![/quote]you are required by thai law to pay taxes, as i've amply proven.
the thai tax authorities do not "know everything". if you've never filed a tax return, they may not even know you exist. who is going to tell them? someone you blabbed to in a bar, perhaps? an angry ex tgf who knows about your financial situation? then you may be fucked. are you willing to risk it, with the severe penalties involved, and the comforts of a friendly thai "hilton" in lumpini reserved for you? see the stickman article i posted for more info on this.
knowing "how much money you bring into their country" would not equate to thai tax authorities knowing if you owe any taxes to them. they would also need to know when it was earned & brought in. furthermore, if a person declared a much lesser amount than they actually brought in, it might be difficult for them to prove otherwise. how would they know how much money you brought in? do they keep track of all your atm, bank, travellers check, etc, transactions in siam? how would they know how much cash a guy brings across the border, let alone what tax year it was earned in?
[quote=daddy07; 1425689]it would be different if i were receiving money from sources in thailand. i said that before. but in order for me to get a job in thailand or establish a business here to earn money in thailand i would have to change my immigration status and i would no longer be considered just a guest here.[/quote]plenty of people in your position work "under the table" in thailand without changing their "immigration status". but that is another issue. but know this, under thai tax law you are not considered a "guest" in the kingdom, but a "resident of thailand", and therefore required to file a thai tax return and pay any monies owed, just like any thai born citizen who has lived in the country his entire life. anybody who denies this simply hasn't read or understood what every thai tax lawyer & the thai tax law itself unanimously say. go research it yourself if you don't believe me. i've already cited several authorities and paul kausch added a few more re the 180 day rule.
[quote=daddy07; 1425689]so i think that all this hysterical bullshit about expats and tourists having to file tax returns and pay income taxes in thailand if they are here more than 180 days on money they receive in their home country is just not based upon reality but speculation, rumor and conjecture instead.
it's a lot of worry over nothing.[/quote]i think if you end up in the "thai hilton" you'll be singing another tune.
it may be unlikely to occur, but i wouldn't rule out the possibility of it happening, or the possibility that it has already happened to some expats. i have yet to research it, but thai tax lawyers may know of some cases. it's there in the law, so thai authorities can enforce it should they wish to do so, whether it's to get revenge on someone or get tea money or both.
i suggest that they may have little interest to do so. my theory is that they want to encourage human atms like you into the country. enforcing the tax law on all expats, many of whom owe taxes to los but are not paying them, would result in a mass exodus of said atms from the kingdom to tax friendly havens elsewhere. moreover it would be a hell of a lot of work to sift through the haystack of expats seeking to find those who owe taxes, prove it, and make them pay. what would stop caught tax evaders from catching the next bus across the border? proving the amount of finances brought into los by an individual could be difficult, let alone those monies earned in the same tax year & therefore taxable. if i were governing los, i would not bother pursuing these people, realizing that not going after them for taxes feeds a lot more monies into thai pockets than would result from the opposite course of action.
a much better way to empty these atms is to first get them into your country. then they'll be pumping into the nation monies for various things like accomodations, food, women. they'll be investing & depositing 800k for retirement, which sometimes mysteriously disappears from thai banks like kasikorn. of course the bank can't do anything about it & won't recompense your stolen baht. this is how to get the farangs monies, not taxes. or get him into the country, marry a tg, then mysteriously slip off a high balcony. there are many ways a tg can drain a farang's "assets". and thai men are in on the game too.
[quote=daddy07; 1425689]btw. pinky, old man; i know you've lived in thailand for a fairly long time, and seem to know all about thailand tax laws judging from your quotes above.
did you file your thailand income tax return this year? how about last year? have you ever filed one?[/quote]unlike you i am a true "guest" to thailand, as i visit the kingdom for less than half a year in each 365 day calendar. therefore i have both no obligation to pay taxes or even file a return.
guests such as you call yourself, who live in siam ft, are subject to paying thai taxes on non thai income brought into the kingdom in the year it is obtained. it makes no difference what visa you have, no visa, if you are the prince of kazikstan or the reincarnation of mother teresa.
bottom line. lbm is correct, as anyone who's spent years in los should know, that various laws are not enforced. or enforced on a whim, when & where & to whom thai authorities wish. usually to farang atms, not poor thais. like the uturn law in pattaya that was landing people there in jail. lbm said he'd never heard of this & often did uturns without a problem. soon after that post he disappeared for several months. i guess he learned that sometimes thai laws are enforced, even if you don't know about them or believe they exist. lol.
[quote=pinkpearl; 1425754]point taken, but you should have read a little further into the article where it states:
"tax is levied as follows: pensions and retirement pay brought into thailand."
that is the unanimous opinion of all the thai legal sites i've seen on the subject as well as the thai tax law itself, which i've read and previously quoted recently in this thread with a link.[/quote]well, pink, you have interpreted what you think the law is as applied to my situation, but i am not convinced that i am responsible on my own to file a tax return in thailand, or that i am liable for taxes on the retirement pension i bring into the country to satisfy my daily living requirements. look, i have disclosed to the thai government every fact it needs to know as to my tax liability. what the thai immigration authorities know, the thai government knows, including the tax authorities if they care to know. i've filed my returns in the usa on money i've received there. i receive no monies in thailand, so even on the off chance that i'd have to file a return, i could not be subject to double taxation on the same money and therefore i would have no tax liability.
now, we hear stories all the time in news about ****s and other foreign criminals who have violated the laws in thailand, but not one single story about a rich farang who now resides in the bangkok hilton for failure to file an income tax return. no farang has complained about such a requirement in any forum that i have read. in short, such a thing is unheard of. so you can cite all these internet laws until you are blue in the face, but if they are never enforced, if no farang is ever arrested and imprisoned on account of them, then there is absolutely no reason to worry about them. it's just a lot of hysterical bullshit over nothing.
good try at attempting to scare me though. i appreciate your efforts but i'm not exactly quaking in my boots. it's a shame that all this hysteria about phantom tax laws will probably scare mr. paul and others off from enjoying a great retirement experience in thailand. you don't pay income taxes here, neither do i, nor lbm (who incidentally didn't disappear because of a u-turn) , nor any other farang in the kingdom who is here on a nonimmigrant retirement visa and receives no income for sources in thailand.
Do think you guys could start a separate thread on tax in Thailand. Ninety percent of us are not interested and prefer discussing fucking.
Visakha Bucha is tomorrow, Friday.
About an hour ago I popped by Bier Gardon for a beer and have a look at this afternoons selection. Not much to hang in the Christmas tree as we use to say in my country. I asked the waitress if they are open tomorrow and she said yes.
Could this really be possible? I thougt the whole city would be dead tomorrow.
You who live or has been here before during holidays, will there be anything open tomorrow. Massage shops, gogo's, SOL?
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1425754]Point taken, but you should have read a little further into the article where it states:
"Tax is levied as follows: Pensions and retirement pay brought into Thailand."
That is the unanimous opinion of all the Thai legal sites I've seen on the subject as well as the Thai tax law itself, which I've read and previously quoted recently in this thread with a link. You might try reading it sometime, eh?
You should talk to or refer to tax authorities about tax matters, not immigration people. Why should immigration people baby you about matters that don't concern them? When you go to your barber do you seek medical help? .[/QUOTE]Well said. Just The same reason why when One enters a country he goes through immigration to see if he is allowed to get into the country, then afterwards, once he can physically enter, he goes through CUSTOMS. British call it customs & excise, others call it customs and revenue, whatever, that is the place where you have the last chance to voluntarily declare anything "too much" before they find it for you, LOL.
Not for nothing the customs forms has to be signed and it is often validated by the immigration officer as an official statement.
All countries have similar rules as they have to cash taxes to survive.
A very basic principle. A they want them unless paid elsewhere.
Countries are not happy one tries to speculate and create his own grey area, not paying neither country.
[QUOTE=Dextro Sol; 1425815]Visakha Bucha is tomorrow, Friday.
About an hour ago I popped by Bier Gardon for a beer and have a look at this afternoons selection. Not much to hang in the Christmas tree as we use to say in my country. I asked the waitress if they are open tomorrow and she said yes.
Could this really be possible? I thougt the whole city would be dead tomorrow.
You who live or has been here before during holidays, will there be anything open tomorrow. Massage shops, gogo's, SOL?[/QUOTE]This is one of the bigger religious holidays so I would expect closure.
I had a Nana girl a couple of days ago and she said they had Friday off.
I lean more towards closure than being open.
[QUOTE=Scorchin;1425812]Do think you guys could start a separate thread on tax in Thailand. Ninety percent of us are not interested and prefer discussing fucking.[/QUOTE]Congratulations, Scorchin! Only 16 posts and Jackson has appointed you moderator of the Thailand General Reports Forum. Now, while you are at it, why don't you follow your own advice? Ninety percent of us are not interested in having a newbie nanny telling us what to write about in the General Reports thread.
[QUOTE=Dextro Sol; 1425815]Visakha Bucha is tomorrow, Friday.
About an hour ago I popped by Bier Gardon for a beer and have a look at this afternoons selection. Not much to hang in the Christmas tree as we use to say in my country. I asked the waitress if they are open tomorrow and she said yes.
Could this really be possible? I thougt the whole city would be dead tomorrow.
You who live or has been here before during holidays, will there be anything open tomorrow. Massage shops, gogo's, SOL?[/QUOTE]Massage open, gogos closed. Some bars may be open. Biergarden may be open because it is a restaurant. Also, I heard some discos were open on the last big holiday.
After midnight, some of the street bars might set up shop.
[quote=daddy07;1425794]well, pink, you have interpreted what you think the law is as applied to my situation, but i am not convinced that i am responsible on my own to file a tax return in thailand, or that i am liable for taxes on the retirement pension i bring into the country to satisfy my daily living requirements.[/quote]it is undeniable that, according to the law,"tax residents of thailand" are required to file and pay if anything is owed. according to practice may be another thing, but as no one here is omniscient as to all that happens in los, it cannot be said with certainty that the thai revenue department has never gone after a farang retired expat tax evader for taxes owing on foreign income such as a pension. certainly the thai revenue people have been known to go after other types of tax evaders. moreover, as a poster on a thai visa forum opined:
"not much to laugh about if the tax authorities change their mind how to proceed and those of us (including me) who pay no taxes (as they should according to the law) are prosecuted for tax evasion."
if you are a gambling man & want to take that risk, up to you. others may prefer to play it more safe and abide by the law.
[quote=daddy07;1425794]look, i have disclosed to the thai government every fact it needs to know as to my tax liability. what the thai immigration authorities know, the thai government knows, including the tax authorities if they care to know. i've filed my returns in the usa on money i've received there. i receive no monies in thailand, so even on the off chance that i'd have to file a return, i could not be subject to double taxation on the same money and therefore i would have no tax liability.[/quote]double taxation may not exempt one from paying taxes to thailand in such a situation, according to the following opinions, but may merely minimize what you owe:
"the provisions of these tax treaties minimize or exempt certain types of income from taxation."
[url]http://www.helplinelaw.com/law/thailand/taxation/taxation.php[/url]
"it appears that if i were to pay thai taxes on my expected pension income, thailand would give me credit for the taxes that i would have to pay under us federal income tax system. due to a us-thailand tax treaty. but, i would have to pay additional taxes, which would go to thailand, because its income tax rates are higher than the us."
"almost all double tax agreements contain a clause which entitles the "secondary" tax authority to levy the difference between taxes already paid and taxes due."
"example: if a thai resident earns income 'x' in country 'a' having a double tax agreement with thailand and pays the amount 'y' in country 'a' which is less than thai income tax 'z' then thai tax authorities can levy the difference between 'z' and 'y' assuming 'z' is greater than 'y'."
"that's the legal part. what happens in "real life" might be a different story."
"jailing people for not paying taxes is a favorite weapon of the us government."
[quote=daddy07;1425794]now, we hear stories all the time in news about ****s and other foreign criminals who have violated the laws in thailand, but not one single story about a rich farang who now resides in the bangkok hilton for failure to file an income tax return. no farang has complained about such a requirement in any forum that i have read. in short, such a thing is unheard of. so you can cite all these internet laws until you are blue in the face, but if they are never enforced, if no farang is ever arrested and imprisoned on account of them, then there is absolutely no reason to worry about them. it's just a lot of hysterical bullshit over nothing.[/quote]that is an excellent point. a very important one that i have addressed above & in a previous post or two.
you seem extremely confident in your position. so you should have no worries about testing it by putting into practice what this guy said:
"try to go and pay tax here in the revenue department and they'll laugh you out of the door if you do not have a work permit."
i would suggest that there are people in your position who do file a thai tax return and some who also even pay income taxes to thailand. just ask some thai tax lawyers. i'm sure they'd know. they have many sites on the internet telling farangs in your position that they may owe taxes, so isn't it naïve to think they'd have no customers interested in staying at peace with thai tax law? i can't wait to hear your report on isg what they told you.
[quote=daddy07;1425794]good try at attempting to scare me though. i appreciate your efforts but i'm not exactly quaking in my boots. it's a shame that all this hysteria about phantom tax laws will probably scare mr. paul and others off from enjoying a great retirement experience in thailand. you don't pay income taxes here, neither do i, nor lbm (who incidentally didn't disappear because of a u-turn) , nor any other farang in the kingdom who is here on a nonimmigrant retirement visa and receives no income for sources in thailand.[/quote]i challenge you to "put your money where your mouth is", so to speak.
i challenge you to put mr. paul, whoever that is, at ease by going to the thai revenue people & reporting back here that they kicked you out of the building when you tried to pay your taxes. if they laugh you out of the building, then mr paul has nothing to worry about. if they make you pay, then maybe his concerns are justified. i'll be looking forward to your report.
either way, the truth is always going to soil someone's undies. others it will empower to make informed intelligent choices towards the goal of a happy future. so i don't apologize for speaking it. you either speak it or return to the dark ages.
[QUOTE=Scorchin;1425812]Do think you guys could start a separate thread on tax in Thailand. Ninety percent of us are not interested and prefer discussing fucking.[/QUOTE]There are well over 20 threads about Thailand, a handful of them have "generic but useful" topics, not strictly sex realted. And you are moaning about a doze or two of messages about tax? In the GENERAL thread? What do you want us to talk about in here? Let us know.
I have a pregnancy fetish. Is there any place where pregnant girls can be found? Bar, street worker, red light area?
[QUOTE=Scorchin;1425812]Do think you guys could start a separate thread on tax in Thailand. Ninety percent of us are not interested and prefer discussing fucking.[/QUOTE]Scorchin, Its generally considered that this is the Thread for stuff unrelated to fucking. You should not bother to read this thread at all. Why waste your time? I don't read many other Threads since their topics are of no use to me and I cannot provide anything useful as well. E. G. I have not been to Pattaya for over 15 years so I don't bother to read that thread.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1426241]Scorchin, Its generally considered that this is the Thread for stuff unrelated to fucking. You should not bother to read this thread at all. Why waste your time? I don't read many other Threads since their topics are of no use to me and I cannot provide anything useful as well. E. G. I have not been to Pattaya for over 15 years so I don't bother to read that thread.[/QUOTE]Arn't half sensitive. I am sure there are other fora where you can indulge in tax discussions.
Just because several of you with all the time in the world topmost daily if not more often I think you unwise to think you own any thread.
The ISG is about sex. General ought to be about general issues of sex. I certainly would not, even were it relevant, look for tax advice here.
But if my gentle suggestion offends, please continue to discuss it. Rather than tax.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1426026]I challenge you to put Mr. Paul, whoever that is, at ease by going to the Thai revenue people & reporting back here that they kicked you out of the building when you tried to pay your taxes. If they laugh you out of the building, then Mr Paul has nothing to worry about. If they make you pay, then maybe his concerns are justified. I'll be looking forward to your report.[/QUOTE]Now let me see if I have this right. You actually want me to go out of my way to visit the Thailand revenue office to ask them if they want me to file a return and pay income taxes on my Social Security pension from the US, and see if they laugh at me or make me pay, right?
Hahahahahaha! You want me to stick my head in the crocodile's mouth and beg the beast to bite it.
In your dreams, Pink.
I challenge you to find and report to us just one verified instance of a foreign expat living in Thailand on a non immigration retirement visa who was prosecuted by the law for failing to file a tax return and pay income taxes on his Social Security pension. You can't get in any potential trouble for that, Pink. Can you do it? If you can, I'll be willing to concede to your Thailand tax expertise.
[QUOTE=Dewdrops;1426180]I have a pregnancy fetish. Is there any place where pregnant girls can be found? Bar, street worker, red light area?[/QUOTE]Yes. You can find them in all those places if you look hard enough. I've found a few.
Those of you who are interested in a fun method for learning how to read and speak some Thai, should check out this site:
[url]http://thailanguageflashcards.com/[/url]
Can you please be specific in what place you saw?
How much they charge, age, can speak english, photos if any?
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1426312]Yes. You can find them in all those places if you look hard enough. I've found a few.[/QUOTE]
Sorry guys for posting here.
I'm going to get some time off from my dear BKK for Hk wan chai area 4 about 2 weeks next month
Would love to get some PM about good places or outcall girls for HJ / BBBJ
The forum about Hk is rather weak I'd say.
So that is why I'm posting here hoping for some tigers help.
Thank all
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1426310]Now let me see if I have this right. You actually want me to go out of my way to visit the Thailand revenue office to ask them if they want me to file a return and pay income taxes on my Social Security pension from the US, and see if they laugh at me or make me pay, right?[/QUOTE]I believe that's what I referred to when speaking about putting your "money where your mouth is". Shouldn't be anything to worry about since, as you claim, they "know everything" about you & your finances already, right? But if that's too much trouble, picking up the phone or an email might be easier, either to the revenue authorities or some tax lawyers or both. I wouldn't want you to go out of your way to ease the fearful minds of the Mr Pauls of this world, so they can retire happily in LOS!
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1426310]Hahahahahaha! You want me to stick my head in the crocodile's mouth and beg the beast to bite it.
In your dreams, Pink.[/QUOTE]So now you've changed your tune 180 degrees? You are scared of the big bad Thai tax man? Before you were singing a different song about hysterical nonsense, them being baby bunny rabbits who could care less about taxing people such as you, & the like. Now all of a sudden they are crocodiles who'd love to eat you alive & drain you of every penny you have.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1426310]I challenge you to find and report to us just one verified instance of a foreign expat living in Thailand on a non immigration retirement visa who was prosecuted by the law for failing to file a tax return and pay income taxes on his Social Security pension. You can't get in any potential trouble for that, Pink. Can you do it? If you can, I'll be willing to concede to your Thailand tax expertise.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure the Thai government controlled media would be aware of, or interested in, or allowed to report a case where such a farang paid a fine for tax evasion, whether for 100 baht or one billion baht. Or a case where a 500K bribe was paid under the table to avoid paying 10 million. Who would report the latter case, the officer who received the bribe? LOL. The guy who paid it & doesn't want to pay the full amount or have a mysterious accident slipping off a 20th floor balcony?
In the unlikely event a guy like you even posted about being caught for tax evasion, due to being ratted on by an angry ex TGF, or whatever, it may take me my next 10 incarnations to find it. But if you're up to the task of searching out thousands of obscure online sites re Thailand to discover such gems, feel free. I wouldn't want to return here with it, only to hear you say it wasn't "verified" by God.
I'll be spending my time focusing on relaxing in a more tax friendly haven:
"Overseas income derived outside Singapore, Singapore dividends and bank interest are tax exempt in Singapore."
[url]http://iras.gov.sg/irasHome/page.aspx?id=9790[/url]
"Any income arising from sources outside Singapore and received in Singapore on or after 1 Jan 2004 by an individual (other than partners of a partnership) is exempt from tax."
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_income_tax_in_Singapore[/url]
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1426390]So now you've changed your tune 180 degrees? You are scared of the big bad Thai tax man?[/QUOTE]No, Pink, my tune is still the same; not scared of baby bunnies or crocodiles, or the Thai tax man; just not interested in wasting my time running around looking for opportunities to bait the Thai tax officials with such trivial nonsense.
Judging from the rest of your post, it seems that you are now ready to admit there is no evidence that expats in my situation are liable to file income tax returns or pay income taxes in Thailand on their Social Security pension income from the US or any other nation. Otherwise you would have accepted my challenge.
There are thousands of expats just like me in Pattaya alone, so there must be tens of thousands of us or more in Thailand. I see hundreds of them every 3 months at the immigration office for their 90 day report, and hundreds more at the US embassy outreach meetings to have their pension income verified for the Thai government affidavit every year. Not one of them has ever been known to have filed a Thai income tax return, been held liable to pay Thai income taxes or been prosecuted for failure to do so. Like I said, and I think you will now agree, it is unheard of. I've never heard of such a thing nor has any expat that I know; no newspaper articles, no complaints on forums, nothing. And you apparently cannot demonstrate otherwise with just one instance.
So why don't we put this topic to bed once and for all before our newbie friend Scorchin has another hissy fit. I agree with him that the subject of taxation is enough to bore the bark off trees. I too would much rather talk about fucking.
Interesting video on the reaction to the recent Saturday Night Live skit (in USA) making fun of Thailand's sex tourist reputation, with the usual ballbusters and rescue industry types making their usual paternalistic assertions and claims that deem all providers as helpless dupes.
Its a very lively discussion with a couple busy body NGO types versus a couple of blokes, one guy a monger, the other one a statistician who has extensively studied sex workers in the USA and in Bangkok.
If these NGO ("all prostitution is violence") busy body types have their way, adult to adult fully consentual P4P worldwide worldwide would be erradicated, leaving basically the wealthy with their mistress arrangements untouched, thus proving their entire argument derives from an elitist view of the world.
[url]http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/thailand-snl/5112d5f62b8c2a4b120002b8[/url]
[QUOTE=Dewdrops; 1426338]Can you please be specific in what place you saw?
How much they charge, age, can speak english, photos if any?[/QUOTE]More specific?
You want me to tell you what street corner? ; draw you a map? ; provide a photo; assess their English skills? ; report their age? ; address? ; telephone numbers? ; price schedule? ; education? ; job history? ; health history? ; criminal record? ; number of weeks pregnant? ; make an appointment for you? ' do all of that just for you?
Jeez, man, do you want me to hold your dick for you too while you fuck them? You need help with that?
I'm sure the ones I've had have given birth to their babies long ago and are no longer pregnant. I paid them 500 baht. Sorry, I didn't take photo's or compile statistics on them but they are young girls who needed money for their babies. These types of girls move around. They don't stay in one place. They're hookers after all who just happen to be pregnant, usually by accident, and they need cash. You have to look for them to find them. Take a stroll down Beach Road in Pattaya and it's likely you will find one or two out of hundreds of girls.
Can't you do part of it yourself?
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1426421]No, Pink, my tune is still the same; not scared of baby bunnies or crocodiles, or the Thai tax man; just not interested in wasting my time running around looking for opportunities to bait the Thai tax officials with such trivial nonsense.[/QUOTE]I suspect that it could be costly for tax evaders to inform the revenue authorities about it. Since if they had never heard of such a guy being busted, then they might have a firsthand experience of it after doing so. Whether or not it ever got reported on the 6 PM news or paid off "under the table" in secret.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1426421]Judging from the rest of your post, it seems that you are now ready to admit there is no evidence that expats in my situation are liable to file income tax returns or pay income taxes in Thailand on their Social Security pension income from the US or any other nation.[/QUOTE]Aside from Thai law clearly stating they must do so? There may be cases out there to be dug up, who knows? I'm not omnipresent. Hence my suggestions to contact the revenue people, tax lawyers, etc. They'd be in a better position than you or I to know about specific cases, don't you agree? I suspect they have quite a few of such types filing and paying. I wouldn't be surprised if some farangs have done so after a period of tax evasion. I wouldn't even be surprised if such a farang who has been evading has gone to the revenue authorities, inquired about it, and then forced to pay, with heavy fines. But the authorities & experts would be more likely to be privy to that info, rather than us.
So just because you've never heard of something occurring doesn't mean it hasn't already or couldn't on any given day to come. Have you ever heard of a farang like Bob on a retirement visa & doing private internet work in his home ever being busted for working in Thailand:
[url]http://government.ezinemark.com/tax-liability-for-foreigners-in-thailand-7d34e176cdd3.html[/url]
The penalties for doing what Bob does, according to the article: "up to a year in jail and a fine of up to 10,000 baht" and his "retirement visa could be revoked".
The bottom line, in the above opinion?"The chances of him getting caught, provided he keeps his mouth shut about his work when he's down at the pub having some bevvies, is almost nil. However, the reality is that what he is doing is illegal and there are real penalties if he is caught."
Some people are willing to take that gamble of not being caught. Others prefer to play it safe & legal or feel it a moral obligation to be tax paying law abiding citizens.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1426421]There are thousands of expats just like me in Pattaya alone, so there must be tens of thousands of us or more in Thailand. I see hundreds of them every 3 months at the immigration office for their 90 day report, and hundreds more at the US embassy outreach meetings to have their pension income verified for the Thai government affidavit every year. Not one of them has ever been known to have filed a Thai income tax return, been held liable to pay Thai income taxes or been prosecuted for failure to do so. Like I said, and I think you will now agree, it is unheard of. I've never heard of such a thing nor has any expat that I know; no newspaper articles, no complaints on forums, nothing. And you apparently cannot demonstrate otherwise with just one instance.[/QUOTE]I think Thai revenue people, tax lawyers and accountants would be better informed about how many of these types file a Thai tax return and pay taxes, & how many who pay had been evading payment. Just sitting in the immigration office once every 90 days for an hour won't inform a guy about any of these things. Especially since the immigration people have nothing to do with the tax revenue department or the payment of Thai income taxes:
[QUOTE=]I think the problem may arise if you come back here to work. And the fact you owe tax may flag the system somewhere. But if not coming to work, then wouldn't be too worried about it. Immigration will not be worried. Not their department.
This activity is subject to both civil and criminal penalties. The civil penalties include fines and interest. The criminal penalties include jail terms of 3 months – 7 years and fines 2, 000-200, 000 Baht.
Mr. Sanit Rangnoi, Director-General of the Revenue Department, said 'Every unit has to intensively investigate those suspicious activities and put heavy penalties on evaders and fraudsters, as well as track new schemes of tax evasion / fraud in order to be fair to the honest taxpayers.
Tax dept and immigration, two completely separate departments and one is not interested in the business of the other.
If the tax department want to do something meaningful go chase the expats working here without WP's and start collecting tax off them, and maybe while they are at it look at the business dealings of foreigners who are resident in Thailand more than 180 days per year, including the pensioners.
It's not in the Revenue departments capability to check and confirm the income from abroad.[/QUOTE]The above quoted opinions are not mine, but of various people from a brief search on the words "Thai expat tax evasion". For informational purposes so those posters who expressed concerns on this topic & an interest in possibly retiring in Thailand can make informed & wise decisions about their future.
Good luck & happy safe hobbying to all.
Huh, who does that? Why haven't you consulted a tax professional?
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1426310]Now let me see if I have this right. You actually want me to go out of my way to visit the Thailand revenue office to ask them if they want me to file a return and pay income taxes on my Social Security pension from the US, and see if they laugh at me or make me pay, right?
Hahahahahaha! You want me to stick my head in the crocodile's mouth and beg the beast to bite it.[/QUOTE]
I just tried to watch this video. Had to stop after watching it. Same old crap about being trafficed. The one woman is a real life feminist and needs 6 good inches and a drink so she can loosen up.
Western, thanks for the video.
[quote=mackin; 1426563]i just tried to watch this video. had to stop after watching it. same old crap about being trafficed. the one woman is a real life feminist and needs 6 good inches and a drink so she can loosen up.
western, thanks for the video.[/quote]note ms ramos from the ngo (she's the one hogging the conversation and telling others not to interrupt her). amazingly just expanded the definition of "sex trafficking" even further, by saying if a "pimp" is involved, then that means the person is being "trafficked". therefore among many other things, it means all bar girls and all go go girls (with mamasans present) in bangkok would be by definition be "trafficked" because a third party is taking a fee. since hillary clinton took over the usa state dept 4 yrs back, they've accelerated the hysteria even more into other countries, with burma especially now being impacted and phillipines and many other countries being dictated certain goals mostly based upon completely made up stats.
before the hysteria took root, the term "sex trafficked" was once a legitimate concept focused on unwilling (actual) victims, including **** victims who of course can never give consent, in fact mostly gay pervs attacking young boys, something the msm refuses to report even when the priest scandal in the catholic church became apparent.
so instead of focusing on the real problem and putting the pervs in jail, the ngos and their government allies now have launched a full scale war on men, including all acts of fully consentual adult to adult p4p.
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1426435]More specific?
Jeez, man, do you want me to hold your dick for you too while you fuck them? You need help with that?
Can't you do part of it yourself?[/QUOTE]Be happy he didn't ask you to fix an appointment.
Look at this, although I guess Ms Ramos from the NGO would just see them all as victims, as $40,000 per night is just not worth what it used to be.
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2322573/The-Cannes-luxury-prostitutes-earning-40-000-PER-NIGHT-million-dollar-yachts-annual-film-festival.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Western787;1426647]So instead of focusing on the real problem and putting the pervs in jail, the NGOs and their government allies now have launched a full scale WAR ON MEN, including all acts of fully consentual adult to adult P4P.[/QUOTE]How long has the P4P business been around? Quite a while now. Do you really think they will succeed in stamping it out?
NGOs make exaggerated claims to appeal to donors. Just like companies make exaggerated claims about the efficacy of their products. Similarly, NGOs expand the definition of the problem they are addressing, just as companies try to expand the market for their products. Cialis doesn't just treat ED, it also treats BPH.
Who benefits from the P4P industry? The SWs, the customers, the business owners, the non SW employees of these businesses, the vendors who supply these businesses, the government agencies that collect taxes from these businesses and the government officials who accept bribes to look the other way. Do any of these interests want P4P to end? Let's not forget the NGOs, who would have no reason to existence if they ever succeeded. Do you think they really want to succeed? They are attacking the perfect "problem." The "problem" will always exist.
So long as poor women with few skills or education exist P4P will exist. And then there are the young, very attractive, calculating women who can make a substantial income in P4P. They will always be available.
Happy mongering!
[QUOTE=Harold444; 1426593]I went to HK once. It aint no BKK.
I suggest you go celibate. It will make you appreciate BKK more.[/QUOTE]That bad hahaha? Ok got it thanks.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1426538]So just because you've never heard of something occurring doesn't mean it hasn't already or couldn't on any given day to come. Have you ever heard of a farang like Bob on a retirement visa & doing private internet work in his home ever being busted for working in Thailand:
[url]http://government.ezinemark.com/tax-.4e176cdd3.html[/url]
The penalties for doing what Bob does, according to the article: "up to a year in jail and a fine of up to 10, 000 baht" and his "retirement visa could be revoked".
The bottom line, in the above opinion?"The chances of him getting caught, provided he keeps his mouth shut about his work when he's down at the pub having some bevvies, is almost nil. However, the reality is that what he is doing is illegal and there are real penalties if he is caught."
Some people are willing to take that gamble of not being caught. Others prefer to play it safe & legal or feel it a moral obligation to be tax paying law abiding citizens.[/QUOTE]Well, I haven't heard about any occurrence of a pig with wings flying like a bird either, but according to your reasoning it's still possible right?
Your story about Bob the Englishman is a total fabrication offered for the purpose of its author manufacturing an opinion about the horrors of Thai tax laws as they might apply to foreign expats. In short, it never happened; there is no Bob; no prosecution for tax fraud; no penalties; just a horror story without any basis in reality.
Look at it this way, Pink: The Thai tax authorities have to know that of the tens, if not hundreds of thousands of foreign expats living in Thailand, all of them are required to bring in to the country at least 800, 000 Thai Baht every year in order to extend their retirement visas; almost all of it from their home country pensions. Add it all up and thats a lot of money.
If those monies were really subject to Thailand income taxes, don't you think that the tax authorities would go after every one of those expats, including me, to get their pound of flesh? Don't you think that we would see stories about it in the news papers, complaints about it in the Thai expats forums, at least SOME evidence that it has occurred? Do you think that the tax authorities don't have a clue as to what is going on unless some hapless idiot visits their office to ask if they owe taxes. Are they living under a rock?
The bottom line is that these Thai tax laws and far out opinions you keep quoting simply do not apply to expats in my situation and that is why we have nothing to fear. If they did apply there would be at least some evidence of enforcement but as you know full well there is not.
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1426722]Look at it this way, Pink: The Thai tax authorities have to know that of the tens, if not hundreds of thousands of foreign expats living in Thailand, all of them are required to bring in to the country at least 800, 000 Thai Baht every year in order to extend their retirement visas; almost all of it from their home country pensions. Add it all up and thats a lot of money.
If those monies were really subject to Thailand income taxes, don't you think that the tax authorities would go after every one of those expats, including me, to get their pound of flesh? Don't you think that we would see stories about it in the news papers, complaints about it in the Thai expats forums, at least SOME evidence that it has occurred? Do you think that the tax authorities don't have a clue as to what is going on unless some hapless idiot visits their office to ask if they owe taxes. Are they living under a rock?
The bottom line is that these Thai tax laws and far out opinions you keep quoting simply do not apply to expats in my situation and that is why we have nothing to fear.[/QUOTE]If there's absolutely "nothing to fear" as you claim, why not give them a call & ask them those questions yourself, as well as finding out if you owe them anything. I'm sure some readers here would be very interested in their response. Maybe also call up some publications like the Bangkok Post & ask them to do an article on the subject, including interviews with Thai revenue authorities, tax lawyers & accountants. I expect that would be fascinating to many of their readers. BTW isn't it strange that you've never seen such an article in any publication? Why not? Nothing from the revenue people or on their website either, eh? Why is the subject so hushed?
As for "Thai tax laws":
"A resident of Thailand who in the previous tax year derived assessable income under Section 40 from an employment or from business carried on abroad or from a property situated abroad shall, upon bringing such assessable income into Thailand, pay tax in accordance with the provisions of this Part."
[url]http://www.rd.go.th/publish/37749.0.html[/url]
"Taxpayers are classified into 'resident' and 'non-resident'. 'Resident' means any individual residing in Thailand for a period or several periods in total of at least 180 days in a tax year (January 1 – December 31). A resident of Thailand has a duty to pay tax on income remitted from a source in Thailand as well as on any income from a foreign source in connection with the taxpayers' employment or business carried on abroad or a property situated abroad, and that income is remitted into Thailand within the year that the taxpayer receives that income (I. E. Cash basis). A non-resident is subject to tax only on income from sources in Thailand."
[url]http://www.rd.go.th/publish/6045.0.html[/url]
"Are there any concessions made for expatriates in Thailand?"
"None."
[url]http://www.kpmg.com/global/en/issuesandinsights/articlespublications/taxation-international-executives/thailand/pages/income-tax.aspx[/url]
"Overall the Thai tax man is not interested, but this doesn't mean they couldn't become interested at some point in the future."
"Mr. Sanit Rangnoi, Director-General of the Revenue Department, said 'Every unit has to intensively investigate those suspicious activities and put heavy penalties on evaders and fraudsters, as well as track new schemes of tax evasion / fraud in order to be fair to the honest taxpayers."
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1426722]Well, I haven't heard about any occurrence of a pig with wings flying like a bird either, but according to your reasoning it's still possible right?
Your story about Bob the Englishman is a total fabrication offered for the purpose of its author manufacturing an opinion about the horrors of Thai tax laws as they might apply to foreign expats. In short, it never happened; there is no Bob; no prosecution for tax fraud; no penalties; just a horror story without any basis in reality.
Look at it this way, Pink: The Thai tax authorities have to know that of the tens, if not hundreds of thousands of foreign expats living in Thailand, all of them are required to bring in to the country at least 800, 000 Thai Baht every year in order to extend their retirement visas; almost all of it from their home country pensions. Add it all up and thats a lot of money.
If those monies were really subject to Thailand income taxes, don't you think that the tax authorities would go after every one of those expats, including me, to get their pound of flesh? Don't you think that we would see stories about it in the news papers, complaints about it in the Thai expats forums, at least SOME evidence that it has occurred? Do you think that the tax authorities don't have a clue as to what is going on unless some hapless idiot visits their office to ask if they owe taxes. Are they living under a rock?
The bottom line is that these Thai tax laws and far out opinions you keep quoting simply do not apply to expats in my situation and that is why we have nothing to fear. If they did apply there would be at least some evidence of enforcement but as you know full well there is not.[/QUOTE]A. The legal basis is quite clear:
(1) more than 180 days in one year in Thailand = tax resident in Thailand.
(2) Foreign source income (e. G. Pension income) transferred to Thailand in the same year as received is subject to Thai income tax.
(3) If a doble tax treaty applies the respective treaty clause ragarding pension income applies.
The OECD Model Convention states for "private" pensions in Art. 18:
- Subject to the provisions of paragraph 2 of Article 19, pensions and other similar remuneration paid to a resident of a Contracting State [e. G. Thailand] in consideration of past employment shall be taxable only in that State [e. G. The country of residency = Thailand].
For "state" pensions in Art. 19 Ziff. 2:
A) Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph 1, pensions and other similar remuneration paid by, or out of funds created by, a Contracting State or a political subdivision or a local authority thereof to an individual in respect of services rendered to that State or subdivision or authority shall be taxable only in that State [e. G. Not in Thailand].
Be) However, such pensions and other similar remuneration shall be taxable only in the other Contracting State [e. G. Thailand] if the individual is a resident of [e. G. Thailand], and a national of [e. G. Thailand], that State [e. G. Thailand].
B. So far the law and so far I am with PinkPerl. But importent is also the reality (practice) and this leads me to "feelings"of Daddy07:
In practice the Thailand tax administration does. For the time being and in general. Not levy any taxes on foreign pensions since it would be very difficult and need a great effort to collect evidence that a certain cross border transfer represents income in the sense of the Thai tax law [earned in the year of the transfer] and not qualifies as a tax free capital transfer [earned in years before the transfer year]. This is true also for cases the evicenc is given, e. G. The pension is transferd on a monthly basis directly to a Thai bank account.
C. Nobody knows what will happen in the future
The current situation: "Non-Enforcement of the applicable tax law" is not satisfying. The approach of the Thai tax administration, therefore, easily could change. Euro people know what happens if a State is looking for more money. They could decide to start with the clear cases and I'm sure the immigration officees would give the requested infos to the tax administration or it could be decided to change the burden of prove and the recipient of a foreign pension has to give evidence that the money received from abroad was not earned in the same year.
D. Save haven rule
Have a foreign bank account on which you have at the beginning of a year the money you need for this year and only transfer money from this account to Thailand or [not safe haven] at least transfer the pension before you transfer the money to a Thailand on an other foreign account.
after two years exploring the pay-for-play scenes in philippines and indonesia, it was time to return to thailand. i had three weeks at my disposal and as well as visiting bangkok and pattaya, i planned to sample the delights of phnom penh in cambodia too. to give you some context, i'm a 36 year old man from england and bar-girls say i'm 'hansum' (and they would never lie about such a thing). although i enjoy massage parlours and gogo bars my motto is 'variety is the spice of life' and i have picked up girls from brothels, nightclubs and even from the street.
welcome to the diary of trip thailand and cambodia.
the flight from england was long but i occupied myself by watching skyfall and perving at the pretty air stewardesses. there was a tall blond who i'd happily allow to be mrs lancelot if she liked. actually forget that. free, single and on the way to thailand. isn't that every man's dream? i felt excited as the plane began its descent in to bangkok.
this was my first trip to thailand for three years, after successfully experimenting with philippines and indonesia. would i meet girls of the quality of my previous trips to thailand? would it still live up to my high expectations? i felt a shiver of anticipation as we touched down at suvarnabhumi airport.
the best way to get in to bangkok from the airport is by train. taxis aren't just more expensive, they get stuck in heavy traffic when nearing the city, adding time to the journey. from arrivals i descended to the lower level where there are two lines to choose from, makkasam or phaya thai. i paid 90 baht for the latter and after a short wait hopped on to the train. the journey took 20 minutes and soon i was in the chaotic urban sprawl of central bangkok, dwarfed by skyscrapers. from phaya thai i took the skytrain to nana which was five stops on the bearing line (25 baht). i was impressed with the train service. the journey from the airport was cheap, quick and easy.
there are plenty of hotels to choose from but for familiarity i opted for nana hotel. from nana's skytrain station i walked a short distance down the busy sukhumvit road before turning left in to soi 4. nana hotel is the first hotel on the right, directly opposite the gogo complex of nana plaza. it's a good place to stay as not only does it have an excellent location but freelance hookers congregate in the car-park and there is also a nightclub on the premises, popular with gogo girls when their shift has finished. there is also a swimming pool and a buffet breakfast.
the receptionist was an elderly woman who i remembered from three years earlier. she didn't smile then and she didn't smile now, not the best advert for the land of smiles! my 'standard room' cost 1490 baht a night and was perfectly adequate, the queen-sized bed making up for the lack of view from the window. the young bell-boy enquired 'you wan massage sir? ' before he left. i thanked him but said no. bangkok is not a city where you need help finding girls.
it was mid-afternoon so i decided to sleep for a few hours to fight off jet-lag. i wanted to be refreshed for my eagerly awaited return to nana plaza, one of my favourite hunting grounds in asia. i've taken some beautiful girls from there in the past and hoped for a 10/10 to get this trip up-and-running in style.
when my alarm beeped i felt more tired than when i fell asleep. i had a shower to wake myself up, got changed and walked to the nearby 7eleven to buy myself water. it was 6. 20pm and the area was much quieter than i remembered. a few men sat in the bars lining soi 4 but it wasn't buzzing with activity and there wasn't the usual exciting atmosphere. even the traffic was quieter. i assumed that i had reset my watch wrongly so i asked for the time at the 7eleven. it was 6. 25pm. why was nana so quiet?
i walked in to nana plaza to have a look around. nana plaza is three storeys of gogo bars, the balconies of each floor overlooking a central court of beer bars. the place has been given a big makeover. not only is there a new sign above the entrance but the walls have been given a much needed lick of paint (the yellow colour scheme makes you wonder whether it should be renamed 'banana plaza'). as a result it doesn't feel as down-trodden and sleazy as it used to. it reminded me of the polished gogo complexes in philippines, like edsa in manila.
the bars open at 7pm and usually by this time lots of girls have arrived and the place is coming alive, but there wasn't anyone around at all. i only had a scrawny stray cat for company. 'what's going on? ' i thought to myself. it was 6. 30pm and one of the most exciting adult playgrounds in the world was completely empty.
as i walked out of nana plaza, a ladyboy with breasts like bowling balls grabbed my arm and said hello. i laughed to myself. if i couldn't find any girls maybe i'd have no choice but to resort to a ladyboy on my first night in bangkok! where was everyone? i politely shrugged her off and walked to a restaurant nearby called bus stop. it serves western food as well as tasty thai dishes. i ordered fried rice but when i tried to order a beer i was told 'no beer tonight, soft drink only'. no girls and no beer? what on earth was going on?
after i had eaten i returned to nana plaza. it was 7pm and every bar was closed. even big dog, the popular bar at the entrance had its grille pulled down. a burly security guard saw me looking lost and told me 'closed tonight, open tomorrow'. i asked him why and he told me 'elections'. i cursed to myself. my first night in bangkok and the place was like a ghost-town. i don't want elections, i want erections! preferably mine, not ladyboys.
i noticed street-walkers congregating on the opposite side of the street in nana hotel car-park. there were 15 in total, aged between 20 and 30 and a few were reasonably attractive. the pick of them, a girl wearing a leopard-print top, smiled to me. she was a 7/10 and had a nice figure. i returned her smile. she could be a good option for later if all else failed.
i remembered that soi cowboy is in a different district. it's a street of gogo bars that is renowned for being more liberal, so i figured there was a chance it might be open. it took 20 minutes to walk there from nana, zig-zagging my way past the tourists who were shopping at the stalls that line sukhumvit road.
soi cowboy is near asok skytrain station, on a street between soi 21 and 23. i turned in to it but was disappointed to see that there wasn't the usual blaze of neon or screaming 'hello girls' outside each bar. the street was dark and eerily silent. not for the first time tonight i cursed to myself.
i considered my options. thermae coffee shop is nearby which in its heyday was renowned as a place to pick up high quality freelancers. but i'm told it has now changed for the worse and the majority of girls only show interest in big spending korean or japanese customers. i wasn't interested in being ignored so took the skytrain back to nana.
it was unthinkable that i'd spend a night in bangkok without a girl. my plan was to see if annie's massage parlour was open and if not i would take a freelancer from nana car-park. some of them were attractive, especially the cutie in the leopard pattern dress. i wondered whether they would be clever enough to raise their prices to take advantage of the fact that the gogo bars were closed. these girls can be very shrewd so i suspected that the answer would be yes!
annie's is located a short walk from nana plaza. i walked down soi 4 away from sukhumvit road and turned right after the 7eleven. ominously the annie's sign at the top of the road was switched off, so i didn't have high expectations as i walked past rajah hotel. but i was surprised and relieved to see three girls sat outside. annie's was open.
i walked up the stairs and entered the small bar area. the fishbowl is located at the end of the room and the girls were lounging around, checking their phones or applying make-up in small mirrors. i was shown to a couch in front of the window and when the mamasan spoke in to a microphone, the girls arranged themselves in an orderly fashion on the steps on the left hand side of the fishbowl. there were 20 girls and all were young and slim. the mamasan said something in to the microphone and all of the girls on the front row stood up. a few seconds later they sat down and the back row stood up. it was a good way to show off their bodies and i saw a few girls i liked the look of.
i like to take my time choosing so i ordered a drink. as i did so, the only other customer (a man about my age and also from england) picked a very pretty girl i had noticed. she walked out of the fishbowl and led him hand-in-hand down the corridor towards their room. he was definitely in for a treat. two minutes later she returned to pick up her basket of products (soap, sponge, mouthwash, condoms). as she was waiting for it to be prepared, she gave me a lap-dance. she had a sexy body, a beautiful face and a sparkle in her eyes. when she was handed her basket, she stood up and kissed me on the cheek before walking away to join the lucky fellow brit. i wished i had picked her.
i examined the fishbowl again. there were some nice girls and the one who caught my eye was straightening her hair in the mirror. she was attractive and had long hair down to her waist. she saw me looking and smiled (the left-hand window is one-way glass but the girls can see through the right window). i waved for her to join me and she walked over. i was immediately pleased with my choice. she had a fun and flirty personality and hugged me as i paid the cashier. she told me that her name was aor and she was 23 years old from isaan.
five years ago annie's was a budget option but it has changed in to a 'soapy' venue with younger girls. as a result, the prices have gone up. it costs 2500 baht to take a girl for two hours, although for that price you get two pops and the levels of service are legendary. if you can't get great sex at annie's, you can't get it anywhere.
she led me down the corridor to the left of the fishbowl. the room had a sleazy feel with the bed overlooked by a grotesque wooden carving of two girls 69-ing each other. next to the bath was an inflatable mattress, a sign that soapies are now on the menu at annie's. aor tied her hair up and ran the bath before leaving to get her basket. i took my clothes off and sat on the corner of the bed. i felt excited that my trip was about to start with a great girl.
when aor returned she poured soap suds over the inflatable mattress and asked me to lie on it. i lay on my stomach and she poured suds over my back before using her slim body to slip and slide all over me. it felt magical and the perfect way to relax after a long day of travel. she asked me to turn over and said 'you handsome man' before sliding up and down again. before long we were kissing. kissing is a big turn-on of mine and she was a great kisser, expertly using her tongue. she then slid down my body and gave me a fantastic blow-job. this girl knew how to please. after five minutes we got in to the bubble-bath and she rubbed her firm tits on my chest and grinded her pussy over my stiff cock as we kissed passionately. by now i was aching to get in her pussy. we dried ourselves and got on to the bed together.
the sex was great. she untied her hair and it fell down her perfectly toned body as she rode me expertly. i flipped her over and fucked her slowly in mish, her fingernails digging in to my back each time i thrust in to her. all the time we were kissing like boyfriend and girlfriend. next she went on to all-fours and i fucked her from behind.
we tried lots of positions before i came. i collapsed next to her on the bed and she said 'you tired? you take long time'. i laughed. i was having so much fun i wanted to make it last as long as possible!
she spoke good english and was very playful. she asked 'you have baby? ' and when i shook my head she joked 'maybe we have baby? '. at one point she sang to me. i'm no simon cowell but she'the definitely get my vote. she started stroking me and soon i was ready for 'round two'. this time i wanted to give her oral, so i kissed my way down her body and when i started licking her pussy she held my head in position and gasped each time i sucked her clit. it was a nice view, looking up at her perfect body writhing about. after 20 minutes i couldn't wait any longer, so put on another condom. the second pop was just as passionate and energetic as the first.
after we got changed we swapped phone numbers. although i like to go with as many girls as possible, it's always good to have the numbers of my favourites stored in my phone. she was a lovely girl and provided great sex, so would be a good option for a daytime meet (for a lot less than 2500 baht). i gave her a well deserved tip and kissed her goodbye.
annie's is open from 10am to midnight. they employ two shifts of girls and a good time to visit is between 5pm and 6pm when the shifts overlap. however, this is also when it is busiest with customers.
on the way back to my hotel, i passed the freelancers in the car-park. an old man with white hair was attempting to negotiate with a girl probably in her late teens. he was trying to get her price down but wasn't having much success. this wasn't a night for negotiation. with the gogo bars closed she had nowhere near as much competition as normal. for one night only she was the prettiest girl on the block and she knew it.
i went to bed happy. despite a disastrous start to the night with the closure of nana plaza and soi cowboy, i had a soapy massage and some great sex. annie's and aor had rescued my night. my trip had started well.
this diary will continue in the bangkok thread tomorrow.
[QUOTE=AwiBkk;1426679]That bad hahaha? Ok got it thanks.[/QUOTE]You have one data point. H444 is the same guy who ate a Subway sandwich one day at the corner of Suk 7/1 and proclaimed there is not enough traffic in that soi to support P4P biz even though activity there has skyrocketed in the past 3 years. Keep searching for HK info, there is a scene for sure even though it is not BKK. The filipinas on Sundays can be so very enjoyable.
[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1426904]After we got changed we swapped phone numbers. Although I like to go with as many girls as possible, it's always good to have the numbers of my favourites stored in my phone. She was a lovely girl and provided great sex, so would be a good option for a daytime meet (for a lot less than 2500 baht).[/QUOTE] i thought they had rather strict rules over there
A month or two back I studied Aibolit's very exacting criteria very closely (and there is nothing wrong per se with such a quest) but recently happened to run across this, (the Phillipine feeder into Miss Universe) and this is about as close as an approximation to the standards he was describing as I have seen (excluding the 17 olds of course). Women like this but P4P and in quantity to offer the requisite "variety" done on short notice into the Phills or Bangkok? Its hard to even imagine the resources one would have to possess to be able to pull that off. Perhaps a rock star, movie star, famous athlete, or slightly less wealthy but world class level charmer and international playboy type might do it, but otherwise it seems effectively within the realm of science fiction.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmPh_0AlAgM[/url]
[QUOTE=Western787; 1427327]A month or two back I studied Aibolit's very exacting criteria very closely (and there is nothing wrong per se with such a quest) but recently happened to run across this, (the Phillipine feeder into Miss Universe) and this is about as close as an approximation to the standards he was describing as I have seen (excluding the 17 olds of course). Women like this but P4P and in quantity to offer the requisite "variety" done on short notice into the Phills or Bangkok? Its hard to even imagine the resources one would have to possess to be able to pull that off. Perhaps a rock star, movie star, famous athlete, or slightly less wealthy but world class level charmer and international playboy type might do it, but otherwise it seems effectively within the realm of science fiction.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmPh_0AlAgM[/url][/QUOTE]Dayum!
Sure haven't seen any Filipinas around here that looked like these girls. I suspect these fine ladies can't even spell Jollibee. :D
I'm sure somebody here will insist they saw girls exactly like this hanging out in the Biergarten.
[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1427371]Dayum!
Sure haven't seen any Filipinas around here that looked like these girls. I suspect these fine ladies can't even spell Jollibee. .
I'm sure somebody here will insist they saw girls exactly like this hanging out in the Biergarten.[/QUOTE]Too funny man.
Since most of us in here are fascinated at some level with ultra beautiful women, I did find Aibolit's quest and comments very interesting and I hope he posts again. However, believe it or not EVEN the young ladies in the video would NOT necessarily even meet the criteria he was listing, because actually he went beyond looks. My last summary of Aibolit's many criteria was as follows. "9s-10s in looks" "ladies with no kids","tall" "fresh adorable baby-face." 18-23 year olds" "slender" "very slim legs" "gorgeous" long legged" "model types", no silicon bolt ons, who are "passionate" preferably where there is also mutual "chemistry" in "quantity" as "variety" is also important, who also offer full "GFE and PSE.". The quoted phrases Aibolit's exact words.
So lets say hypothetically you were a Saudi billionaire and (assuming non P4P conversion to P4P status was possible, and excluding the under 18 ladies of course) you could pay any price to literally get all these girls back in 2010, unless you had some underling pre screening for PSE willingness, bolt ons, or whatever. You still couldn't necessarily meet the standards. As far as passion and chemistry, who knows.
Look, I initially thought it to be a wish list Aibolit put out there, but later he seemed to indicate it was virtually mandatory (he's actually not attracted to girls following below this quality level), so one could make a submission to the urban dictionary for the phrase "Aibolit standards"
as a shortcut way to define the most beautiful and attractive and exciting young women in the world as described in the criteria described above.
Let say Saudi Prince scheduled to fly in his private 747 into Heathrow needs harems for night entertainment after business meetings each day, and his employee calls ahead to their London contact, and the agent says "What are you looking for this time?" Answer "Aibolit standards" Agent says "You must be joking. THAT high? Ok we'll do what we can"
For those who care or don't know, the dreaded Falang ATM surcharge fee is now 180 Baht at some ATMs, namely Krungsri ([url]www.krungsri.com[/url]). Other banks will likely follow if they haven't already done so.
From May 17, 2013. The service charge on cash withdrawal of all international or foreign credit cards via KBank's ATM machines will be charged at 150 Baht per transaction for VISA card. 180 Baht per transaction for MasterCard. 50 Baht per transaction for China UnionPay (CUP) card and 20 Baht per transaction for all electronic cards issued by card issuer company in Thailand (Non Bank).
[QUOTE=Run Mann; 1427452]For those who care or don't know, the dreaded Falang ATM surcharge fee is now 180 Baht at some ATMs, namely Krungsri (
[url]www.krungsri.com[/url]
). Other banks will likely follow if they haven't already done so.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Western787;1427327][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmPh_0AlAgM[/url][/QUOTE]Almost swallowed my false teeth when #14 came out on stage. What a beauty.
Slim
[QUOTE=Nvslim;1427575]Almost swallowed my false teeth {Snip}[/QUOTE]Way too much information, but notice I did snip just for you.
[QUOTE=Nvslim; 1427575]Almost swallowed my false teeth when #14 came out on stage. What a beauty.
Slim[/QUOTE]#14 didn't make it to the end. She was pretty, until she started talking during the questions. (yeah, I did click to find out who won)
I am coming next week and have a routine I follow. Do any of you have a pre-trip routine? To get your Cock and body ready?
Here is mine:
1. I stop jacking off 7 days before I leave. It seems to help with sensitivity, at least over the first few days or so.
2. I put lotion on my cock 3 times a day for a week. This also seems to help with sensitivity and overall cock skin health.
3. I eat lots of fruit and protein 10 days before. It seems to help with semen production and makes your semen whiter and sweeter. The girls seem to like the sweet taste.
4. I workout and jog for several weeks before to build stamina.
5. I shave the hair around my cock, balls, and asshole about 5 days before I leave. Don't do this the day before you leave because sometime the girls complain that the area is "too scratchy" for them.
Any info to add?
[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/641625-interpol-to-lead-crackdown-on-pirated-goods-thailand/?hl=[/url]+Interpol.
Any information as to whether or not any results were reported about the "raids" of "pirated" goods in the Bangkok shopping venues? According to the article, the Thai police were going to raid "Khlong Thom Market, Ban Mor, Saphan Lek, MBK, Pantip, Sukhumvit Sois 13-19, Silom and Soi Patpong".
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1427735]I am coming next week and have a routine I follow. Do any of you have a pre-trip routine? To get your Cock and body ready?
Here is mine:
1. I stop jacking off 7 days before I leave. It seems to help with sensitivity, at least over the first few days or so.
2. I put lotion on my cock 3 times a day for a week. This also seems to help with sensitivity and overall cock skin health.
3. I eat lots of fruit and protein 10 days before. It seems to help with semen production and makes your semen whiter and sweeter. The girls seem to like the sweet taste.
4. I workout and jog for several weeks before to build stamina.
5. I shave the hair around my cock, balls, and asshole about 5 days before I leave. Don't do this the day before you leave because sometime the girls complain that the area is "too scratchy" for them.
Any info to add?[/QUOTE]Sounds like a good routine. What about taking tribulus terrestris starting about a month before the trip. It's the latest fad for weight lifters. Many swear by it but there is no scientific evidence it helps them; however, other guys swear it increases their libido and virility, and there is some scientific evidence supporting this. Males lab rats fuck more if they're taking the stuff.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1427735]I am coming next week and have a routine I follow. Do any of you have a pre-trip routine? To get your Cock and body ready?
Here is mine:
1. I stop jacking off 7 days before I leave. It seems to help with sensitivity, at least over the first few days or so.
Any info to add?[/QUOTE]It is essential to be Cock Fit. I would suggest doing a search on the JELQ technic which enables more blood flow to the penis head giving a firmer erection. Works for me.
[quote=rodwint2; 1427771][url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/641625-interpol-to-lead-crackdown-on-pirated-goods-thailand/?hl=[/url]
+interpol.
any information as to whether or not any results were reported about the "raids" of "pirated" goods in the bangkok shopping venues? according to the article, the thai police were going to raid "khlong thom market, ban mor, saphan lek, mbk, pantip, sukhumvit sois 13-19, silom and soi patpong".[/quote]that's nothing more than an annual spring cleaning by the thai police to make them look like they're doing something, somewhat like when the big boss is in town and the employees pretend they're actually doing something haha. hell, they were even nice enough to give the perps advance warning. they'll just call up the store owners and ask them to confirep001e their worst sellers and throw in some porn to take home for souvenirs. the next day the thai police will make a huge spectacle how they confirep001ed xxx amount of pirated goods and took the first steps to ban pirated goods, take a few photos, and the next day they'll be doing what they do best. which is absolutely nothing!
[quote=luvpuss; 1427735]i am coming next week and have a routine i follow. do any of you have a pre-trip routine? to get your cock and body ready?
here is mine:
1. i stop jacking off 7 days before i leave. it seems to help with sensitivity, at least over the first few days or so.
2. i put lotion on my cock 3 times a day for a week. this also seems to help with sensitivity and overall cock skin health.
3. i eat lots of fruit and protein 10 days before. it seems to help with semen production and makes your semen whiter and sweeter. the girls seem to like the sweet taste.
4. i workout and jog for several weeks before to build stamina.
5. i shave the hair around my cock, balls, and asshole about 5 days before i leave. don't do this the day before you leave because sometime the girls complain that the area is "too scratchy" for them.
any info to add?[/quote]i can relate to some of the rituals. not to ask a stupid question, but why do you shave your asshole? and how do you do it? do you use nair? a razor? go to great clips and ask them to trim a little on the bottom? lol
[QUOTE=Run Mann;1427660]Way too much information, but notice I did snip just for you.[/QUOTE]Its appreciated. :)
Slim
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1427936]I can relate to some of the rituals. Not to ask a stupid question, but why do you shave your asshole? and how do you do it? do you use Nair? a Razor? Go to Great Clips and ask them to trim a little on the bottom? lol[/QUOTE]That's a good question I use nair around my cock and balls and leaves it porn star smooth. Girls love it. My asshole a different story. What do you do there? Can't use nair. Can't open and trim unless you have three hands. Can't really go to salon and ask them or can you? It would have to be in BKK and don't want to waste time doing that while there. Do you just not care and let them eat hairy ass?
Get 1 of your girls to shave your asshole when she is on the clock and if you are a little subconscious about it like me then just get your ass licked at night.
[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1428053]My asshole a different story. What do you do there? Can't use nair.[/QUOTE]Don't be silly. Nair does not discriminate. Can use it anywhere (externally) and not the face. I would not recommend the most powerfully caustic variety that girls use on the legs though.
As for "girls love it". Wishful thinking. For the balls, I actually find that most of them don't really care at all. Its more for the guy's own feeling on the balls to get the hair out of the way. Overly long is certainly a nuisance.
[QUOTE=Nvslim; 1427575]Almost swallowed my false teeth when #14 came out on stage. What a beauty.
Slim[/QUOTE]
You definitely appreciate great beauty, and #14 I would say is one of the most natural beauties on the stage.
The Phillipines at the top end really does produce some amazing beauties, and note they actually give measurements (something the ballbusting fems stopped the pageants in the USA from doing years back). I rated #10 the closest to a true world class look, and #3 the cutest. To really get a sense how beautiful these girls are, one would have to see them standing next to normal women, (and pageants rarely do that) so one tends to lose the sense of context. The evening gowns do give us a bit more info though.
[url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/brucecasanova/4372629903/lightbox/[/url]
[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1428053]I use nair around my cock and balls and leaves it porn star smooth. Girls love it. My asshole a different story. What do you do there? Can't use nair. Can't open and trim unless you have three hands. Can't really go to salon and ask them or can you? It would have to be in BKK and don't want to waste time doing that while there.[/QUOTE]You can indeed go to a salon and ask them. When in BKK, just book an appointment for Male Brazilian Waxing at Urban Retreat, right next to Asoke BTS. They also have a branch at Phrom Phong (I've only used the one at Asoke). Urban Retreat is a bit more high-end than your usual BKK massage parlors, so no extras are available. But they do provide a decent Brazilian wax. Cock, balls and ass. Price is 1500 baht.
[url]http://www.urbanretreatspa.net/price-list.php[/url]
Originally Posted by Nclpimp [View Original Post]
I use nair around my cock and balls and leaves it porn star smooth. Girls love it. My asshole a different story. What do you do there? Can't use nair. Can't open and trim unless you have three hands. Can't really go to salon and ask them or can you? It would have to be in BKK and don't want to waste time doing that while there.
[QUOTE=Harry Dude; 1428180]You can indeed go to a salon and ask them. When in BKK, just book an appointment for Male Brazilian Waxing at Urban Retreat, right next to Asoke BTS. They also have a branch at Phrom Phong (I've only used the one at Asoke). Urban Retreat is a bit more high-end than your usual BKK massage parlors, so no extras are available. But they do provide a decent Brazilian wax. Cock, balls and ass. Price is 1500 baht.
[url]http://www.urbanretreatspa.net/price-list.php[/url][/QUOTE]Morning All,
I usually hit the Nana Hotel. They used to have a woman in their massage parlor that would shave you from your treasure trail to your. Back door. Did a good job, and offered release at the end. 14 days and a wake up.
[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1428053]That's a good question I use nair around my cock and balls and leaves it porn star smooth. Girls love it. My asshole a different story. What do you do there? Can't use nair. Can't open and trim unless you have three hands. Can't really go to salon and ask them or can you? It would have to be in BKK and don't want to waste time doing that while there. Do you just not care and let them eat hairy ass?[/QUOTE]I tell 'em if they go near my ass without a searchlight they're wasting their time.
[QUOTE=Harold444; 1427341]No offense to anyone. But seems pilipinos like their hot chick light skinned too. LOL.
Dark skin is just 2nd class! Cheaper too![/QUOTE]That does seem to be the rule pretty much all over southeast asia, for example checking Miss Vietnam (Miss World track) they are nearly all ultra light skin, a few not even pretty but their (apparent) half white ethnicity I guess compensating for it. Tried to checked Cambodia but they seem to have opted out of the big contests in recent years.
[QUOTE=Harry Dude; 1428180]You can indeed go to a salon and ask them. When in BKK, just book an appointment for Male Brazilian Waxing at Urban Retreat, right next to Asoke BTS. They also have a branch at Phrom Phong (I've only used the one at Asoke). Urban Retreat is a bit more high-end than your usual BKK massage parlors, so no Extras are available. But they do provide a decent Brazilian wax. Cock, balls and ass. Price is 1500 baht.
[url]http://www.urbanretreatspa.net/price-list.php[/url][/QUOTE]I wouldn't be too sure on the extras, my experience says otherwise! (admittedly only once in about 5 visits)
[QUOTE=Western787;1428341]That does seem to be the rule pretty much all over southeast asia, for example checking Miss Vietnam (Miss World track) they are nearly all ultra light skin, a few not even pretty but their (apparent) half white ethnicity I guess compensating for it. Tried to checked Cambodia but they seem to have opted out of the big contests in recent years.[/QUOTE]I would venture to say that's the rule in about 100% of asia. Latin America, too. All the girls who are considered attractive have light skin.
You should see the (older) Chinese ladies around here. When driving they put on these ridiculous "welders helmet" face shades, full length gloves, etc, in an effort to maintain their beauty while stuck in the car.
Bangkok now top air travel destination in the world. Not surprising and certainly many of the locals (unlike for example the general attitude in Manilla and the Phils) basically see it as an amazing megalopolis, not something to necessarily escape from per se. Of course, its not exactly like one would typically be able to bus it in from other locales.
[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/29/us-travel-topspots-idUSBRE94S1DH20130529[/url]
[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1428493]I would venture to say that's the rule in about 100% of asia. Latin America, too. All the girls who are considered attractive have light skin.
You should see the (older) Chinese ladies around here. When driving they put on these ridiculous "welders helmet" face shades, full length gloves, etc, in an effort to maintain their beauty while stuck in the car.[/QUOTE]Latin America doesn't seem to apply the (unwritten "lighter skin is more beautiful") rule quite as rigidly as Asia apparently does.
As far as Korea, Japan, and China, yes the rule probably is about the same, and certainly is with visiting Japanese etc mongers to Bangkok, but at least in the case of Luo Zilin Miss China 2011 (4th runnerup in Ms Universe) a true flat out 10 world class stunner who should have actually won the Miss Universe contest in Sao Paolo (she got a terrible question with a poor translation, itself unnecessary as her English is passable) I wouldn't say by Chinese standards her skin was that light. Since I knew about her from a few years back, that's why I didn't presume the rule was precisely the same in those countries.
http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/09/15/159460-miss-universe-2011-miss-china-luo-zilin.jpg
[QUOTE=Western787;1428521]Luo Zilin Miss China 2011 (4th runnerup in Ms Universe) a true flat out 10 world class stunner who should have actually won the Miss Universe contest in Sao Paolo[/QUOTE]She gets my vote and I haven't even seen the other girls in the competition.
[QUOTE=Western787;1428514]Bangkok now top air travel destination in the world. ][/QUOTE]I saw the article. Let's see how long that distinction lasts. At Suvarnabhumi Airport, the first experience new arrivals get is a long, long immigration line, with many empty stations. The impression is flat out that Thailand really doesn't care much about travelers. That impression is reinforced with the long lines when exiting immigration. At least the long lines at immigration when entering Thailand let you rest from the marathon walks from the arrival gates.
This week, another nice touch was that many of the toilets weren't working and, at the ones that were working, lines were out the doors. No, I'm not making this up.
Suvarnabhumi, good luck handling still more arrivals / departures!
TTG
I don't think there are many people who base where thy are going because of an airport. If that was the case the USA would have lost out on a lot of tourism a long time ago. Last time I was in BKK arrivals the computers went down. So what? I would rather wait an extra 20 minutes to get into Thailand than to zoom through immigration with my Global Entry pass in my own country any day.
[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1428644]I saw the article. Let's see how long that distinction lasts. At Suvarnabhumi Airport, the first experience new arrivals get is a long, long immigration line, with many empty stations. The impression is flat out that Thailand really doesn't care much about travelers. That impression is reinforced with the long lines when exiting immigration. At least the long lines at immigration when entering Thailand let you rest from the marathon walks from the arrival gates.[/QUOTE]To be fair TTG, when you arrive at Heathrow, or L.A. (I am not American), or transit there, you get to really appreciate Bangkok airport as being a much better overall experience. I suppose my view is slightly biased by usually flying out of BKK on very late flights when immigration queues are shorter.
On landing in BKK, I am often in the taxi within 30 mins. I think that is not too bad.
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1428652]To be fair TTG, when you arrive at Heathrow, or L. A. (I am not American) , or transit there, you get to really appreciate Bangkok airport as being a much better overall experience. I suppose my view is slightly biased by usually flying out of BKK on very late flights when immigration queues are shorter.
On landing in BKK, I am often in the taxi within 30 mins. I think that is not too bad.[/QUOTE]My experience with Suvarnabhumi has always been positive. No long lines at immigration, no customs inspection at all, and out the door chop chop.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1428523]She gets my vote and I haven't even seen the other girls in the competition.[/QUOTE]You definitely have an eye for great beauty. As far as other competitors, there was absolutely no other competitor that evening that even came close to Luo Zilin. It was like comparing minor league baseball to the majors, she was just in a different league with for example a level of facial beauty even by Miss Universe standards well outside the normal boundaries.
Strangely enough the eventual winner (Leila Lopes of Angola), standing to the right, is probably barely a 9 level. Not only are Luo Zilin's presentational skills very strong, her personality and sense of humor are also quite good.
Here's the question that probably cost her the title. The translator as I recall at the time either when interpreting her answer back or in the initial question, instead of making a precise translation, somehow made or caused Luo Zilin's answer to appear even more restrictive than it really was, and these Pageants always penalize anyone taking a more traditional stance, in this case with her suggesting people outside of a country need to "respect and understand" that particular country's position on nude beaches, the implication being that for example if China wanted to ban nude beaches, then outsiders ought not to interfere. Yes, reasonable but not sufficiently politically correct.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7FpIDFO6Q0[/url]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1428652]On landing in BKK, I am often in the taxi within 30 mins. I think that is not too bad.[/QUOTE]Same with me, if the arrival gate is not somewhere far, with the hlpe of being amongst the firsts to disembark and being able to go through the Fast Lane as a business class passenger. Still have to wait some 5-10 minutes for luggage, but the paperwrok beauraucracy is then behind. And in appr 1hr I am at the hotel just behind Soi Nana
[QUOTE=Western787;1426647]So instead of focusing on the real problem and putting the pervs in jail, the NGOs and their government allies now have launched a full scale WAR ON MEN, including all acts of fully consentual adult to adult P4P.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mackin; 1426563]I just tried to watch this video. Had to stop after watching it. Same old crap about being trafficed. The one woman is a real life feminist and needs 6 good inches and a drink so she can loosen up.
Western, thanks for the video.[/QUOTE]I just read an interesting report on [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] in Thailand. The hypocrisy is even worse than I imagined. Apparently it's common knowledge in parts of the NGO community that the vast majority of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] in Thailand involves people in non-sex industries such as fishing (Thailand has the 3rd largest fishing industry in the world) , which is almost entirely comprised of trafficked workers who are effectively slaves. The inhumanity of the problem is so severe that there are documented instances of fishing vessel owners transferring workers from boat to boat, never allowing them to return to dry land and even executing entire crews when it comes time to pay them. The government is aware of the problem but has officially stated it will do nothing about it for fear of the impact on the national economy. According to what I read, the exaggerated claims and complaints about the extent of the P4P industry in Thailand and the attention NGOs who are trying to "solve" this small part of the problem receive are part of the government's efforts to cast attention away from the larger problem.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1428523]She gets my vote and I haven't even seen the other girls in the competition.[/QUOTE]She looks better in the 2nd pic to me. Look, I saw an absolute tall (but not LB) stunner. 1 in a thousand on the BTS today, and she got out at Thonglor. Too me she was pretty close to Miss China, and maybe even more to my taste. Best looking girl I saw for several weeks. Definite star or model quality to my eye, although Thais choose strange looks to be the top movie stars here.
Stangely I met a past Miss China at the Luhu golf club in Guangzhou 2004 (also the Chinese football team) and she was very tall but not very curvy body. To me looked very much like a LB that I could not be sure I was meeting a real woman. I was just visiting a friend who was promotions manager at the club at the time, and got invited to a party related to a golf tournament and promoting certain sports cars.
I don't remember exactly which Miss China competition it was as I suspect there are several.
It seems they may like to choose exceptionally tall girls for Miss China.
In Sweden I see stunning young girls on every corner. They all have tits, either real or get fake ones. No flat chests in Sweden! For some reason the older ones don't seem to have worn the years that well and are not so special.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1428652]To be fair TTG, when you arrive at Heathrow, or L.A. (I am not American), or transit there, you get to really appreciate Bangkok airport as being a much better overall experience.[/QUOTE]God bless anyone who isn't a citizen landing into the USA. It's usually a long immigration act, longer for your luggage to come out, then you deal with public transportation with drivers who don't speak English. Can you imagine landing at BKK and the driver not speaking Thai?
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1428806]I just read an interesting report on [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] in Thailand. The hypocrisy is even worse than I imagined. Apparently it's common knowledge in parts of the NGO community that the vast majority of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] in Thailand involves people in non-sex industries such as fishing (Thailand has the 3rd largest fishing industry in the world) , which is almost entirely comprised of trafficked workers who are effectively slaves. The inhumanity of the problem is so severe that there are documented instances of fishing vessel owners transferring workers from boat to boat, never allowing them to return to dry land and even executing entire crews when it comes time to pay them. The government is aware of the problem but has officially stated it will do nothing about it for fear of the impact on the national economy. According to what I read, the exaggerated claims and complaints about the extent of the P4P industry in Thailand and the attention NGOs who are trying to "solve" this small part of the problem receive are part of the government's efforts to cast attention away from the larger problem.[/QUOTE]As with many things, it's much easier to create a new bunch of criminals than it is to get rid of existing ones. Especially if these new "criminals" fit somebody's political agenda.
I've read that the bulk of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], as you mention, has nothing to do with the sex industry. Another example, albeit not in Thailand, is the practice of trafficking in young boys for camel racing. Until recently, thousands of poor kids were bought and sold simply to race camels for some rich Arab.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1428877]Can you imagine landing at BKK and the driver not speaking Thai?[/QUOTE]It's known as mulit-culti diversity, dude! It's a wonderful thing!
One very frustrating experience was getting off a plane at LAX and having to take a taxi to a close by address in El Segundo a few years ago. Fucking taxi driver was fresh off the boat from Korea. Spoke about 3 words of English and didn't have a clue where El Segundo is (it's immediately adjacent to the LAX area).
I can imagine the frustration that some poor bastard from China must feel.
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1428830]She looks better in the 2nd pic to me. Look, I saw an absolute tall (but not LB) stunner. 1 in a thousand on the BTS today, and she got out at Thonglor. Too me she was pretty close to Miss China, and maybe even more to my taste. Best looking girl I saw for several weeks. Definite star or model quality to my eye, although Thais choose strange looks to be the top movie stars here.
Stangely I met a past Miss China at the Luhu golf club in Guangzhou 2004 (also the Chinese football team) and she was very tall but not very curvy body. To me looked very much like a LB that I could not be sure I was meeting a real woman. I was just visiting a friend who was promotions manager at the club at the time, and got invited to a party related to a golf tournament and promoting certain sports cars.
I don't remember exactly which Miss China competition it was as I suspect there are several.
It seems they may like to choose exceptionally tall girls for Miss China.
In Sweden I see stunning young girls on every corner. They all have tits, either real or get fake ones. No flat chests in Sweden! For some reason the older ones don't seem to have worn the years that well and are not so special.[/QUOTE]There are really only 2 "Miss China's" each year of any international significance . One that follows the Miss Universe track (in the United States Miss USA feeds into that system) and another that follows the Miss World track (Miss America feeds into that system)
Luo Zilin was all over New York City the summer before last, that's why some of us took special interest in what the outcome of the Miss Universe contest in Sao Paolo was going to be. She is supposedly 5 ft 11 and 1/2 (perhaps fibbing a bit to avoid the 6 foot label) and can look a bit like a bean pole, but Miss Universe winners tend to be not much below that, typically 5 ft 8 to 5 ft 10 inches quite routinely, but (instead of being a "professional" pageant girl) was actually a major Chinese fashion model, recruited to find a "1 in one billion" contestant and specifically to win Miss China and eventually Miss Universe contest. She went through an extensive training program to avoid acting "too Chinese" at the pageant as explained below. Note the "at least top 5" hoped for expectation of her handlers did turn out to be true, and also note that the Miss China 2011 runnerup seen in the video (also being trained) is probably "only" around 5 ft 8 inches.
By the way, if one (theoretically as its not going to happen) got rid of the de facto (unwritten rule) that international beauty contest winners generally should be on the ultra tall side, one could find many (especially given their innate beauty Chinese, Thai, Vietnamese, Korean and so forth) women for example around 5 ft 3 to 5 ft 6, with long legs etc. that are for the most part every bit as beautiful as these international beauty contestants, but by having the height rule, they probably rule out 99% of potential candidates. The rule thus effectively creates its own shortage, thus generating scarcity, thus more interest in the pageants. Plus it gives a built in advantage to eastern European and other western women who by definition tend to be probably 3 to 4 inches taller on average.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Cpfuw7d-EI
Anyone interested in that? (I also put the pics as this page will be removed quickly from Craiglist)
[url]http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/w4m/3869946962.html[/url]
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1434274]Anyone interested in that? (I also put the pics as this page will be removed quickly from Craiglist)
[url]http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/w4m/3869946962.html[/url][/QUOTE]Succulent ass, and yes, the ad is history.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1434274]Anyone interested in that? (I also put the pics as this page will be removed quickly from Craiglist)
[url]http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/w4m/3869946962.html[/url][/QUOTE]I'm not so interested in the woman in that ad. Her stomach is way too loose. Probably old and had a baby. I contacted a CL advertiser once and she wanted an outrageous 5000 THB for short time. The pictures did look hot, but not worth that amount of money.
I think the CL girls go after the lazy or embarrassed guys. They know they are charging too much, but they also know that the guys either don't know better or simply prefer to do things the way they'd do it back home.
A lot of guys were asking about Preggos so maybe that will help you.
[url]http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/3875667264.html[/url]
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1435546]A lot of guys were asking about Preggos so maybe that will help you.
[url]http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/3875667264.html[/url][/QUOTE]That post has been flagged for removal; guess they're cleaning out the hookers.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1435550]That post has been flagged for removal; guess they're cleaning out the hookers.[/QUOTE]Like emptying a sea with a teaspoon. Maybe the ad was 3 months old.. LOL
cue in the theme song from the twilight zone as this has to be the most surreal incident i've witnessed in thailand.
the scene: a bar in thailand.
the time: the recent past, late at night.
into the bar walks a middle-aged caucasian male, short of stature, balding, with a bit of a paunch. he's wearing sandals, cargo shorts and a green t-shirt. not a physically imposing figure, but no worse than thousands of other farang men who visit los bars every night in the never-ending pursuit of booze and women. he hasn't taken ten steps into the bar before he's confronted by a girl who had been sitting near the entrance. she blocks his forward progress and yells at him, using an abrupt index-finger pointing gesture to punctuate her words.
i'm seated about ten meters away and can't hear what's being said because of the background music, but i have a clear view of the action. given her facial expression and animated body language, there's no doubt she's very angry. the farang looked bewildered at first, but then anger washed across his face as well. he's shaking his head in a vigorous "no." he makes a dismissive motion with his hands and seems ready to try to push past the girl.
four more girls jump up and form a five-girl line with the angry girl at the center. they were diminutive in size, but i had no doubts they'd be a formidable as the defensive line of the new york giants if push came to shove. one held a beer bottle behind her back. if i had had any telepathic powers, here's what the outnumbered farang would have heard me projecting into his mind: "make it right, assh*le. you're about to get a beating. if the girls can't take you, the male staff sure as hell will." but the farang appeared oblivious. faced now with five girls, he looked even angrier and was gesturing for them to stand aside. had he touched one of them, he'd have certainly gotten the bottle across his head.
at that point, the mamasan reached the beleaguered farang and ordered the girls to sit down. i've known that mamasan for years and she's an expert at smoothing things over. just like st. nick, she was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf, and i'd laugh when i saw her in spite of myself. all smiles, she approached the farang and took his hand in a reassuring manner. he seemed relieved and happy at her arrival, but it became immediately obvious the situation hadn't been resolved.
the farang's expression turned angry again and he pulled his hand free from the mamasan's. he shakes his head "no" rapidly again, then looks over his shoulder, as if he's about to leave the bar. a few more words exchanged with the mamsan, a bit more head-shaking from the farang and he turns on his heels to exit the bar. a shout goes up from the girls and three of male door staff step into the bar, looking very serious indeed.
finally the realization hit the farang that he was knee-deep in some heavy shit. he must of reassessed his likelihood of leaving the bar unrep001hed as he glumly returned to talking the mamasan, although i sensed his heart wasn't in it any longer. but her words, however unpalatable, were a better option than taking on three thai males in a physical confrontation.
all this happened very quickly in real time; not more than a couple of minutes had passed since he entered the bar. i still had no idea what had caused the commotion. my best guess would be that it had something to do with payment either to the bar or the girl. what else could it really be? on the other hand, why the hell would the farang go back to a bar where he had a beef? it was a bit of a mystery.
and i had a choice to make. my beer was almost finished, so i could either do the smart. call chek bin and get out before any real trouble started. or order another beer and await the denouement of the farang's predicament. as i said, the mamasan and i had been friends a long time and i was sure, for the price of a drink, she'd tell me what had happened.
at that point, the farang manager entered the bar and the mamasan motioned him over. the mamasan broke off and left the two farang to sort things out between the two of them. she noticed me sitting there and came immediately over. as i suspected, for a drink she was happy to fill me in.
the pudgy farang had been in the bar the night before. he'd paid the bar fine for the girl who had confronted him and agreed to her price for a long-term session. according to what the girl told the mamasan, nothing unusual had happened until she was supposed to get paid. the customer had gotten two rounds. one at night, the second in the morning. and seemed well pleased with her services. but when it was time for him to open his wallet, he wanted to give her less than half of what he'd agreed to the night before. he felt the girl was trying to cheat him, but since he'd done his research, he knew "the right price" and he wasn't going to give her more than that.
the girl had, of course, argued the point with him that morning, but to no avail. it finally ended when he threatened to call security to have her removed from his room if she didn't leave with the money he was prepared to give her. she decided she couldn't win and went home, bitter and disappointed over the money she'd gotten. i don't want this to turn into the 10, 754th discussion about what's proper compensation for the girls, so i won't name any sums. suffice it to say the guy is very optimistic if he thinks his price for l / t is an acceptable one.
ok, i had the background, but the big question remained: why the hell had he come back to the same bar from which he had taken a girl he cheated the night before? was it simply a case of the farang not being the sharpest blade in the box or was something else involved?
my attention shifted back to the customer and bar manager. they seemed to be having an amicable enough conversation, although the customer looked a bit worried. he shook his head "no" again a few times, but then shrugged his shoulders, took out his wallet and peeled off a few bills. he held them out to the manager, who didn't touch them, but called over the aggrieved girl and she accepted them. i couldn't see if any more words were exchanged. the farang lumbered out of the bar with no more dignity than a defeated orc.
once the farang had cleared the curtains, the girl rushed to hug the manager. with a smile a mile wide, she did a little victory dance on the way back to her friends sitting by the door. clearly, it had been important in many ways for her that she got the money she felt she deserved.
so far it had been a fairly mundane story. punters try to cheat the girls every day; some even become cult heroes when they're successful. it's unfortunate, but also a reality of p4p in thailand. despite all the stories of moto drovers or even cops collecting money due to the girls, it doesn't happen often. talk to any working girl in los and she'll tell you she's been gipped out of all or part of her fee at least once. whether she gets cheated a second time depends on how cautious- and accurate. she becomes in picking customers who won't do it.
the strange part had to be the farang's return to the bar. i still couldn't figure that one. but then something weirder happened that made me hear the "the dee the dee" notes of the twilight zone's theme song: the bar manager had collapsed in a fit of laughter on the first row of the bench seating across the room. he was laughing so hard i thought he'd bring up a lung. what the hell could be so funny? obviously, it had something to do with what had just transpired, but there was nothing farcical about it that i'd seen. the customer had been persuaded to pay what he owed; nothing inherently funny about that. the mamasan had joined the manager and she was also roaring with laughter.
i decided the only way i'd ever find out would be to ask the manager. i'd said hello to him a few times, but had never talked with him. of course, he could tell me it was none of my business, but then i wouldn't be any worse off than i already was. i was hoping the mamasan's presence would work in my favor, since she had known me a long time. i stuck my courage to the sticking place, walked over and introduced myself to the manager. i asked him if he'd mind telling me what was so funny, adding that i'd understand if he couldn't.
he shook my hand and motioned for me to sit down. he was struggling to bring his laughter under control and wiping tears of mirth out of eyes. i asked him if he and the mamasan wanted drinks, but he said that wasn't necessary and he'd buy me one instead. then he told me what had occurred with the customer that had caused so much hilarity.
he said that he'd already heard earlier in the day from the mamasan about the customer who had cheated one of the girls. when he reached the bar that evening, the door staff had informed the same customer had come back, but was refusing to pay the girl the money he owed her. the manager had entered the bar half expecting to find the customer in a pool of blood on the floor, with five or six girls stomping him with stiletto heels. he was relieved to find there had been no violence, but the customer's obtuseness surprised him. the man simply couldn't understand that he'd done anything wrong. the manager had tried and tried and tried to explain to him that if he agreed to a price, that's what he had to pay. he couldn't cut the girl's fees after the fact.
but the customer insisted he'd done the right thing. he felt the girl had tried to cheat him by demanding more than what he regarded as "the right price." he couldn't grasp that "the right price" is one to which the girl and her customer agree. he was convinced there was one overriding correct price and anything above that was an attempt to cheat the customer. he felt he'd "stood up" to the girl by not giving her what in his opinion would be an excessive amount. the manager replied that the girl had asked no more than she usually got, but the customer insisted it was too much.
the manager realized he was casting down a dry well. he told the customer no matter what he believed about prices, he was obliged to give the girl the money to which he'd agreed. it finally dawned on the customer that he wouldn't be leaving the bar until he paid and he had begrudgingly handed over the deficit from the morning.
having resolved matters about as well as he could, the bar manager was nonetheless intrigued by the man's stubbornness and asked him how he could be so certain he knew the right price. the customer answered. hear, punters, now and tremble. that he had read it on internet boards. moreover, he'd read that the bar girls respected customers ":who knew the right prices" and paid them accordingly. he couldn't understand the hostility the girl and others had expressed simply because he'd known how to play the game. he'd expected to be welcomed that night as knowledgeable customer who wouldn't put up with any bullsh*t. instead, he had gotten a lot of hassle. turns out the guy was a first-time visitor, but was trying to act the part of an experienced hand based on information gleaned from a few punter-board posts.
the manager said he had to fight to keep his jaw from dropping to the floor and not to p*ss himself with laughter. he managed to keep a professional demeanor until the guy left the bar, but had then exploded with laughter. he said he couldn't get over the sheer stupidity of anyone thinking that cheating a bar was the right thing to do, then going back to the same bar expecting to be greeted as a hero! he said he'd wished he'd been able to warn the guy that if he had pulled that stunt with another girl in a different bar, he might have spent the remainder of his vacation in a hospital bed, but doubted words of caution would have made an impression.
while i understood the humorous aspects of the story, it seemed more spooky than funny. flying saucers, ghosts and store mannequins that come alive in all honor, it's far scarier to think that the real-life actions of even one person are guided by anonymous posts on a punter board.
"you are about to enter another dimension, a dimension not only of sex and money but of mind. a journey into a wondrous land of imagination. next stop, the p4p zone!" the customer in the above story could have had a life-changing experience that wouldn't have been of the imagination but because of an overactive imagination.
bottom line: if you agree on a price with a girl and she lives up to her end of the bargain, make sure you live up to yours. and don't by any stretch of the imagination, twilight or p4p zone, believe everything you read on the punter boards.
evil
Completely enjoyed the write-up. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel; 1436301]Cue in the theme song from The Twilight Zone as this has to be the most surreal incident I've witnessed in Thailand.
The scene: a bar in Thailand.
The time: the recent past, late at night.
Into the bar walks a middle-aged Caucasian male, short of stature, balding, with a bit of a paunch. He's wearing sandals, cargo shorts and a green T-shirt. Not a physically imposing figure, but no worse than thousands of other farang men who visit LOS bars every night in the never-ending pursuit of booze and women. He hasn't taken ten steps into the bar before he's confronted by a girl who had been sitting near the entrance. She blocks his forward progress and yells at him, using an abrupt index-finger pointing gesture to punctuate her words.
SNIPPED[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Harold444;1436351]Well written and content highly believable. No need to hide the bar name. I think they handled it well! Maybe it was our friend never gets old who was the Farang in question? LOL.[/QUOTE]Sounds like it might have been, yes.
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel;1436301],.,.to then going back to the same bar expecting to be greeted as a hero![/QUOTE]That's priceless. I wish I could have been there just to see the guy's expression of disbelief when he was faced with reality. Nice story.
[QUOTE=Harold444;1436359]All because guy read the one outlying report that Rainbow girls do 2 hour short times. LOL.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it's unfortunate, but a lot of "outlier" stories, one-offs, best-case scenarios, etc., are taken as the norm for P4P in Thailand. Those sorts of posts remind me of tales I used to read about hitch-hiking in the "underground" press back in the 1960s and 1970s. I recall one from a guy who said he began hitch-hiking at the entrance to the Holland Tunnel on Manhattan and within five minutes, a car stopped that took him all the way to San Francisco. Certainly it's possible for something like that to happen; every lottery has a winner, just like it's POSSIBLE that a Rainbow girl once gave a two-hour S / T session or a "stunner" accepted 1, 000 baht for L / T. But there's also little reason for individual punters to believe that such good luck will repeat itself. To base one's expectations of P4P in Thailand on one-in-a-million stories is plain silly.
Even worse, wind-ups and deliberate disinformation are accepted as truth by the most gullible readers. On some of the Pattaya-based boards, small-scale con men and scammers have been regarded as knowledgeable insiders regarding the local scene.
Evil
What to go to Thailand from KL for the weekend.
But the photos gallery's here are shit. One is loaded with pictures of ugly, fat and old nasty women. The other is loaded with nothing but a bunch of people talking- even though it is a photo gallery?
Should I go to Hong Kong instead?
[QUOTE=Harold444;1436359]All because guy read the one outlying report that Rainbow girls do 2 hour short times. LOL.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Evil Penivel;1437108]Yes, it's unfortunate, but a lot of "outlier" stories, one-offs, best-case scenarios, etc., are taken as the norm for P4P in Thailand. But there's also little reason for individual punters to believe that such good luck will repeat itself. To base one's expectations of P4P in Thailand on one-in-a-million stories is plain silly.[/QUOTE]I had a two hour short-time with a girl from Shark on my recent trip. The trip before that I had a two hour / two pop short-time with a girl from Rainbow 2 (in fact a few nights later I took her for short-time and she voluntarily stayed for long-time for the same price).
These things do happen and to suggest such occurrences are one-in-a-million is ridiculous. It might be more worthwhile trying to work out why it may happen to some people but not others. Personally I don't think it's down to my boyish good looks, I think it's down to the fact that I smile, have fun and get to know the girls, making it as little like a business transaction as possible.
To suggest that there is some kind of set of rules that applies to all girls, from all bars, to all men, of all types, with differing modus operandi, in all seasons, at all times of the night is naïve. There are many different factors to consider.
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel; 1437108]Yes, it's unfortunate, but a lot of "outlier" stories, one-offs, best-case scenarios, etc, are taken as the norm for P4P in Thailand. Those sorts of posts remind me of tales I used to read about hitch-hiking in the "underground" press back in the 1960s and 1970s. I recall one from a guy who said he began hitch-hiking at the entrance to the Holland Tunnel on Manhattan and within five minutes, a car stopped that took him all the way to San Francisco. Certainly it's possible for something like that to happen; every lottery has a winner, just like it's POSSIBLE that a Rainbow girl once gave a two-hour S / T session or a "stunner" accepted 1, 000 baht for L / T. But there's also little reason for individual punters to believe that such good luck will repeat itself. To base one's expectations of P4P in Thailand on one-in-a-million stories is plain silly.
Even worse, wind-ups and deliberate disinformation are accepted as truth by the most gullible readers. On some of the Pattaya-based boards, small-scale con men and scammers have been regarded as knowledgeable insiders regarding the local scene.
Evil[/QUOTE]Thank you for this report. I have had a really good laugh about it. The occurrence you witnessed however does reflect what a lot of discussion on ISG seems to be all about, to find the cheapest fuck available. I have been living herefor quite some time now and of course the prices have risen. Same as everywhere else in the world. However SW's here still give you most of the time great service and some idiots think they can take advantage of them because they read it in a forum. Don't get me wrong I haggle the price in advance like everyone else and bring the quote down to what I want to pay. When the girl has given great service I usually give her what she had asked for in the first place which means she knows that I know the going rate and the next time she sees me I have preferred customer status. This just happened last night at the massage place opposite Nana Plaza. I had been with one of the girls there, Pan a week ago and passing by last night she came running when she saw me gave me a hug and dragged me over to the other girls. After some chatter she took another girl, Ana by the hand and said I should have a 2 girl massage. Ana had a real rack on her and a great rump which meant I was not going to say no. The short of a long story is that a had I great threesome with 2 pops at 2500 Baht which I upped giving each another 500 on top of it.
I probably won't go back for a while but know that the next time I am there I am going to be looked after again because all the girls know me now.
[QUOTE=Blu8096; 1437181]What to go to Thailand from KL for the weekend.
But the photos gallery's here are shit. One is loaded with pictures of ugly, fat and old nasty women. The other is loaded with nothing but a bunch of people talking- even though it is a photo gallery?
Is Bangkok a shit place to go now or are the photo gallery's just shit?
Should I go to Hong Kong instead?[/QUOTE]Bangkok is a great place for mongering; and the hotels are a better deal than in HK (though I do love HK.) Kaintuck's gallery appeals to certain appetites and has it's fans.
[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1437238]These things do happen and to suggest such occurrences are one-in-a-million is ridiculous. It might be more worthwhile trying to work out why it may happen to some people but not others. Personally I don't think it's down to my boyish good looks, I think it's down to the fact that I smile, have fun and get to know the girls, making it as little like a business transaction as possible.
To suggest that there is some kind of set of rules that applies to all girls, from all bars, to all men, of all types, with differing modus operandi, in all seasons, at all times of the night is naïve. There are many different factors to consider.[/QUOTE]+1.
Agreed that so much of it boils down to a "sanuk" attitude. My motto in the bars is "When I'm on holiday, everybody's on holiday." In other words, I'm there to have fun, and it's a whole lot more fun if they're having fun, too. Getting to know them, playing around, flirting, discussing their family, having a bite to eat, etc, seems to go a very long way to assuring a great session. As you said, making it as little like a business transaction as possible. I suspect a lot of guys don't get it.
Has anyone been able to get pictures of the BJ bar girls in action. If so which bar, who? I will be going back and want to take naughty pics for the photo thread of BJ experts. If you prefer to PM me it's fine. I've seen a few pics of girls standing or sitting outside, I want to take a pic of them with their mouth full (of me.)
[QUOTE=Blu8096; 1437181]What to go to Thailand from KL for the weekend.
But the photos gallery's here are shit. One is loaded with pictures of ugly, fat and old nasty women. The other is loaded with nothing but a bunch of people talking- even though it is a photo gallery?
Should I go to Hong Kong instead?[/QUOTE]Yes; go to Hong Kong.
There are only ugly girls here.
[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1437440]Has anyone been able to get pictures of the BJ bar girls in action. If so which bar, who? I will be going back and want to take naughty pics for the photo thread of BJ experts. If you prefer to PM me it's fine. I've seen a few pics of girls standing or sitting outside, I want to take a pic of them with their mouth full (of me.)[/QUOTE]There have been tons of pictures of girls giving BJ's, whether they were gogo girls, NCP or bar girls is irrelevant. What's the big deal of a specific BJ bar girl giving head? Lips around a cock are lips around a cock, no matter where the girl works.
Do you want to see the thrill of a BJ in public? That is another story, then.
44 Million Baht Lottery Wins for two Pattaya Monk's.
A Monk residing at a South Pattaya Temple won 38 Million Baht on the Thai National Lottery on Sunday. Another Monk at the same Temple, who was ordained on Sunday won 6 Million Baht.
The Monks reside at the Tamsamakee Temple in South Pattaya and because of the large win, the monk who won the 38 Million Baht has disappeared and attempts at contacting him have been unsuccessful. The other Monks at the Temple are thought to know his location but are keeping quiet for now.
Pra Kajonwat purchased his lottery tickets the day before he was ordained as a monk on 15th June. On 16th June he was ordained and also found out about his lottery win. As soon as he leaves the Monkhood he intends to give money to his Mother so she can build a new house and he will also donate some of the money to local orphanages. [b]The Monk revealed to us that he has never seen his American father and would like to use some of the money to track him down and visit him in the United States. [/b]
The missing monk, who was ordained 8 months ago, is likely to be disciplined by the Chief Abbot of the Temple, should he return, as he purchased the lottery tickets after his ordination which is not permitted, according to other Monks we spoke with at the Temple.
[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/91780/44-million-baht-lottery-wins-pattaya-monks/[/url]
[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1437440]Has anyone been able to get pictures of the BJ bar girls in action. If so which bar, who? I will be going back and want to take naughty pics for the photo thread of BJ experts. If you prefer to PM me it's fine. I've seen a few pics of girls standing or sitting outside, I want to take a pic of them with their mouth full (of me.)[/QUOTE]BJ bars have a no photo policy but if you get the right girl and offer her a good tip she may be game. Also you could BF the girl and ask her if you can take pics.
[QUOTE=Run Mann;1437545]Also you could BF the girl and ask her if you can take pics.[/QUOTE]That worked for me years ago at SOL
[QUOTE=Harold444;1437357]There are others who questions some of your claims, albeit it a polite way.Please stick to your guns. If you want to claim multiple Rainbow girls go 2 hours and then say it was one. What are we to believe.[/QUOTE]As a matter of interest, did you read my diary? Because if you did, surely you'd know that it was extremely honest. I didn't just write about the good things, I wrote about the bad, as otherwise what's the point? I don't write to show off, I write to try and provide the reader with accurate information about my experiences. In my recent diary I wrote about a 'condom malfunction', I wrote about a Pattaya girl crying after she wasn't allowed in to my room because she didn't have ID, I wrote about a Phnom Penh girl who only did missionary because she said she was feeling ill, I wrote about being over-charged in Siem Reap, I wrote about a lovely looking gogo girl in Pattaya downing the lady-drink I bought her and walking away within 30 seconds, I wrote about almost not being able to get a girl in Bangkok because of elections etc. A few years ago on the Philippines thread I wrote about an accident I had in which I tripped over, landed on my crown jewels and was out of action for a week! I write about what happens, whether good or bad.
So I assure you that when I write about a Shark or Rainbow girl staying for two hours / two pops, it happened. I don't boast or exaggerate, I just write about what happened whether good or bad.
It does make me smile though when people like you or Evil dismiss it as fantasy just because it never happens to them. Surely a better and more productive response would be to ask why sometimes it happens to others but not you. In my opinion it's not down to what a guy looks like or whether the girl is a wall-flower as you predictably suggested, it's down to your attitude and how you treat the girl. Whenever I walk out of a gogo bar, my choice of girl likes me.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1437401]Agreed that so much of it boils down to a "sanuk" attitude. My motto in the bars is "When I'm on holiday, everybody's on holiday." In other words, I'm there to have fun, and it's a whole lot more fun if they're having fun, too. Getting to know them, playing around, flirting, discussing their family, having a bite to eat, etc, seems to go a very long way to assuring a great session. As you said, making it as little like a business transaction as possible. I suspect a lot of guys don't get it.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. I think one of the common misconceptions on this forum is that the same rules apply for all. They don't. The same girl will charge one customer differently to another and be prepared to stay longer with different customers too. Therefore the onus is on us, the customers, to make the girl WANT to come with us. Here's what I do when I call down a pretty girl from the stage of a gogo bar:
- first thing, I take care of my appearance. I always wear trousers, shoes and a shirt, sometimes a splash of aftershave too.
- when I call a girl down, I ask what her name is and buy her a drink straight away.
- chat to her. Ask where she is from. Ask about her family (Thai's love their family)
- hold her hand, tell her 'you very pretty' (even better if in Thai)
- have fun and be prepared to be silly. I. E dancing together in the seat.
- play little games, to make her as relaxed as possible (I. E I have blue eyes so I play 'stares' which is always a lot of fun).
- most importantly for the 'getting to know you' stage, don't talk money or make her feel like a prostitute. Make her feel special.
- if she's still a bit stiff, then either she's not the girl for you or she needs another drink / more time.
- normally by this point she will ask me if I would like to pay her bar-fine. If not, I will ask 'you like to go with me. 2000 short-time, tip if make me smile'.
- holds hands when leaving the bar and walking to your hotel.
- maintain the fun, friendly, relaxed mood when you get to your room. I. E a back massage.
- after the sex, get her phone number
I'd be very interested what tactics other forum users adopt but this usually works well for me.
[QUOTE=Blu8096; 1437181]What to go to Thailand from KL for the weekend.
But the photos gallery's here are shit. One is loaded with pictures of ugly, fat and old nasty women. The other is loaded with nothing but a bunch of people talking- even though it is a photo gallery?
Should I go to Hong Kong instead?[/QUOTE]Timbuktu would be better for you.
[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1437440]Has anyone been able to get pictures of the BJ bar girls in action. If so which bar, who? I will be going back and want to take naughty pics for the photo thread of BJ experts. If you prefer to PM me it's fine. I've seen a few pics of girls standing or sitting outside, I want to take a pic of them with their mouth full (of me.)[/QUOTE]I know one girl on Soi 6 in Pattaya who allows action photos. PM me if you want her name and the bar where works. She doesn't care if the pics are posted on the Internet. Some girls don't mind photos per se, but are afraid they'll end up on a porn site.
Evil
[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1437619]I'd be very interested what tactics other forum users adopt but this usually works well for me.[/QUOTE]Your posts sound like romance novels. Some girls like that shit but not as much as you think.
I treat them like dogs and they love it.
Of course, I'm the Cesar Millan of Thai girls so if you don't have the proper training you won't get he same results.
[QUOTE=NeverGetsOld; 1437864]Your posts sound like romance novels. Some girls like that shit but not as much as you think.
I treat them like dogs and they love it.
Of course, I'm the Cesar Millan of Thai girls so if you don't have the proper training you won't get he same results.[/QUOTE]Thanks for my morning belly laugh, NGO.
The Pussy Whisperer: I loved it!
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[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1437944]Maybe you treat them like dogs, cause they are dogs? LOL[/QUOTE]Or maybe it is because dogs think all the other they see are dogs?
[QUOTE=Harold444; 1437930]The more you write the more realistic it gets. LOL.
You are jarring my memory-thanks-good brain power I have. I recalll one R4 waitress who ask me why I never barfine. I went on a whole 2 minute spiel comparing a mp 2 hour session for 2500 baht compared to a Rainbow session of 40-45 minutes at over a $100. In essence barfine Rainbow girls is just a bad value. She went on to say if I barfined her she stay 2 hours. LOL.[/QUOTE]The waitress was right in asking why you never barfine? Legitimate question from her to understand whether you are a voyeur or what? Purpose of those bars is mainly to display girls for take away, be it ST or LT isn't it?
You might have a good brain power but comparing in a few word space a baht price with a dollar price isn't much of a smooth thinking, just a bit twisty.
I keep on reading you never fail to go to Rainbow but you also never fail to fire on it. Love and hate? Do you have a lost lover there? Seems a bit stalking action: you stare what you can't get and, would that be a human being, creating embarrassment.
What makes you laugh when the waitress told you that she stays 2hrs in ST? Don't trust her statement? Don't like her?
Are we starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel of understanding you? Be careful on your wording as we might think that could be your real interest. Nothing wrong in it, somehow. This might explain why you don't barfine at rainbow: wrong place. Try Temptation, Cascade, Obsession, Casanova. Maybe her brother works there.
And yes, don't take me serious, have a laugh, Mr LOL (icons might solve the problem of so many LOL's, I appreciate that).
[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1437619] (...)
- normally by this point she will ask me if I would like to pay her bar-fine. If not, I will ask 'you like to go with me. 2000 short-time, tip if make me smile'.
- holds hands when leaving the bar and walking to your hotel.
- maintain the fun, friendly, relaxed mood when you get to your room. I. E a back massage.
- after the sex, get her phone number
I'd be very interested what tactics other forum users adopt but this usually works well for me.[/QUOTE]Very much the same kind of routine, except:
- I only negotiate for LT.
- I never hold hands when leaving the bar: it is not part of Thai culture to do so. Mind you, only in public. I have had girls who had my hands up their shirt already in the hotel elevator and her hands inside my trousers. It is not they do not like to "touch" but it should not be in public.
-I never ask for her phone number, as it is unlikely I want to do a repeat performance, even if she was very good. Repeat performances are for the GF.
[QUOTE=Harold444; 1438030]Purpose of agogos is to oogle girls in bikinis-preferably hot ones.[/QUOTE]You go to the wrong a-gogos: I don't settle for anything less than full nudity.
[QUOTE=Harold444; 1438030]Waiters saying she stay 2 hours is funny because she know the hot girls don't. And yes I'm not interested in her.
Purpose of agogos is to oogle girls in bikinis-preferably hot ones. Eye fucking them as our street friend calls it. You observe a popular bar-most guys are there just to relax.
Oogling agogos girls is great value barfinging them isn't.
I've always wondered what the barfine rate is on any given night. 15%[/QUOTE]Ehmmmm eye fucking them? I honestly can't stay more than 10/15 min in a gogo. After that I get bored. Don't take me wrong, nice girls, etc etc. But doesn't add anything to my.
Barfine rate? I know an englishman who runs a bar in Samui. At 10. 30/11pm, half of his over 40girls are not there as they have been BF. Of the remaining one can see, another 50% will go away with a customer, before the night is over.
You might have calculated 15% at the time you have been there, that is another story.
It is well known the best go soon away in the early hours of work. So off your sight and off your statistics.
Classic Harold. Just because certain things don't happen to you, you dismiss them as fantasy. I did have a two hour short-time with a girl from Shark and a two hour / two pop short-time with a Rainbow girl on my previous trip. It must be painful for you to accept given your self-confessed lack of success but I don't really care if you believe it or not. Like the majority of people on this forum, I don't respect your opinion. You seem to think that there is a set of rules that applies to all girls, from all bars, to all men, of all types, with differing modus operandi, in all seasons, at all times of the night. You've proved time after time on these pages that you are completely clueless about the scene. You recently told a story of a gogo girl dictating to you when she could be bar-fined! I nearly coughed up my tea when I read that. It was almost as funny as your line 'Pattaya has ugly girls. I've never been though' (an opinion you later admitted you got because a Bangkok gogo girl told you so!). You are like the Mr Bean of the mongering world. Inadvertently hilarious.
[QUOTE=Harold444;1437930]I do think you boast and exaggerate (sic). 1000 for head turner off premise then it went up to 1500. LOL.[/QUOTE]Have you ever heard of the game Chinese whispers? It's when a story gets told and retold so many times that by the time it reaches the end of the line it has changed beyond all recognition. I'll give you an example. Here is an excerpt from my diary:
[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1426904]I noticed street-walkers congregating on the opposite side of the street in Nana Hotel car-park. There were 15 in total, aged between 20 and 30 and a few were reasonably attractive. The pick of them, a girl wearing a leopard-print top, smiled to me. She was a 7/10 and had a nice figure. I returned her smile.[/QUOTE]That was what I wrote. Yet in your ongoing obsession about me and my diary you have repeatedly told anyone who hasn't 'ignored' you yet that I claim there are 10/10 girls to be found in Nana parking lot for 1000 baht. I never said any of those things, I simply stated that I saw a few cute girls in the car-park and went on to say that in any freelance scene there are gems to be found. I even posted a photo. You on the other hand seem to think it's impossible for there to be attractive freelancers. You think when a girl reaches a certain level of attractiveness, she is zapped by a thunderbolt on to the stage of Rainbow 4 by some kind of Gogo God.
[QUOTE=Harold444;1437930]Again your fascination with getting phone numbers is misguided horse shit. A really respectful person would go do them at their place of work without needing to appear cheap.[/QUOTE]Firstly, don't talk to me about respect. You have had numerous comments deleted that perfectly demonstrate how little you respect the girls. You called one guys girl a 'hound' on the Photo Gallery and recently called Rainbow's line-up 'disgusting'.
On to your point, why is getting phone numbers 'misguided horse shit'? If I take a girl from Rainbow I will pay 600BF + 2000ST + maybe 400 drinks = 3000 baht. But if I text her and arrange a meeting before / after her shift, I will save 1000 baht at the very least and she will get a nice little bonus on top of her earnings in the bar. Surely it's common sense to both parties?
Also, if I take a girl a second time I'll usually just be after a quickie so I'll text '1500 for 1 hour? ' The girl usually agrees to this. Which is quite ironic because you have revealed that Rainbow girls won't stay with you for longer than an hour and you usually pay 2500 baht. So if you take in to account the bar-fine, your drinks and the lady-drinks, you're probably paying 3500 for one hour. That's 2000 more than I pay for 1 hour because I have the foresight to get a girls number. I think the only 'horse shit' here is your ineffective way of getting girls! In fact I heard a rumour that you are called Harold444 because you pay 4000 for 4 minutes with a girl. I can't remember what the other 4 related to.
[QUOTE=Harold444;1437930]Now you ask for their numbers. Before it was them begging you to take their number.[/QUOTE]When did I say that girls beg me for their numbers? If I meet a girl I like I will ask for theirs but sometimes they ask for mine first.
[QUOTE=Harold444; 1438034]None of this pie in the sky fairy tale shit. Prostitution I s a ugly dog eat ugly dog world if there ever was one.[/QUOTE]The 'pie in the sky fairy tale shit' you talk about is the way I help girls relax and enjoy my company. It's how I get girls cheaper than you and how I get them to stay longer than you. It's how I get the 'girlfriend experience' with them and then get their number afterwards. It's how I get 2 hour short-times while you don't. It's also how I try to make their job as much fun as possible. I appreciate that being a prostitute isn't the dream job for these girls but why not try to make it as much fun as possible for them? Your dismissal of all of this as 'fairy tale shit' is very revealing. I respect girls, you don't. I treat the girls well, you don't. The girls like me, they don't like you. Maybe you should try some of the 'fairy tale shit' and you might get a girl for longer than an hour? Just a thought.
[QUOTE=Harold444;1437930]If you get along so great why don't we ever hear of how the repeat session went.[/QUOTE]Because on this trip I wanted to go with as many girls as possible. If you had read my diary you'd have known the answer to that question as I talked about it quite a lot. It still makes me laugh why you are so reluctant that, shock horror, I might actually get along with the girls really well. It actually seems to offend you!
[QUOTE=Harold444;1438034]Thai girls love their family, Just as Obama bin laden surely loved his.[/QUOTE]To clarify, I suggested that asking a gogo girl about her family is a nice way to get her talking as Thai's love their family. Where does Obama Bin Laden (great Freudian slip there by the way) come in to it? You're really not very bright are you?
Finally I have got to ask, why are you in Bangkok? You seem to only visit the Rainbow bars and confessed today that you don't bar-fine girls as it's not good value. So why go? Why not go to Angeles in Philippines where you can get equally attractive girls for a third of the price for long-time? Even you could get a girl stay with you for longer than an hour there!
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1426722].
Look at it this way, Pink: The Thai tax authorities have to know that of the tens, if not hundreds of thousands of foreign expats living in Thailand, all of them are required to bring in to the country at least 800, 000 Thai Baht every year in order to extend their retirement visas; almost all of it from their home country pensions. Add it all up and thats a lot of money.[/QUOTE]Hmm is not like that. One do not have to bring in new money every year, it can be always the same and that's it.
As long one meet either the required amount in savings, or the monthly income, how much of it one actually spend is not checked and does not matter.
However I do agree that all westerners, one way ot another, bring in a lot of money in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1437619]. Here's what I do when I call down a pretty girl from the stage of a gogo bar:
- first thing, I take care of my appearance. I always wear trousers, shoes and a shirt, sometimes a splash of aftershave too.
- when I call a girl down, I ask what her name is and buy her a drink straight away.
- chat to her. Ask where she is from. Ask about her family (Thai's love their family)...[/QUOTE]I offer her a piece of gum. To improve breath quality. It works.
[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1438292]Classic Harold. You're really not very bright are you?[/QUOTE]You're still wondering? Most of us figured that out back in 2006 already. H444 is a disease, and like Herpes, he keeps coming back. I put him on my "Ignore" list years ago but everytime someone quotes him, I unfortunately am forced to see his brain farts.
[QUOTE=Harold444;1438312]My calculation is for example. Out of every 1000 customers walking the door and buy a drink. 150 will barfine. I'm really just guessing.[/QUOTE]If am the bar owner I'd be delighted to have such a rate of 500 customer in a night, buy a drink and 75 leave with a girl under their arms, when the workforce is appr 100. See? I even cut your number by 50% and keep the same percentage. To show that percentage sometime is irrelevant. Would not you be happy to sell 500 beers in a night? Don't overestimate the statements about bars or MP's or KTV having 2/300 girls. That might count the whole workforce available during a month. But not all of them are showing up every single night or work day.
I noticed this in China (or Asians) KTV where the mamasan, there are 3-4, comes up with her lineup of 6-8 girls at a time. After the 3rd-4th line up, you start to see some you have already seen, mixed in the crowd. That means each might have some 25/30 girls at hands. At the best.
Same is at MP's with fishbowls. How many are there, when counted? 30, go for 15/20 off in some rooms for duty, and you end up with appr 50 in house at a given moment.
[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1438292]You've proved time after time on these pages that you are completely clueless about the scene. You recently told a story of a gogo girl dictating to you when she could be bar-fined! I nearly coughed up my tea when I read that. It was almost as funny as your line 'Pattaya has ugly girls. I've never been though' (an opinion you later admitted you got because a Bangkok gogo girl told you so!). You are like the Mr Bean of the mongering world. Inadvertently hilarious.[/QUOTE]+10.
There are better interweb places to hangout online than to endure this.
[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1437619]I'd be very interested what tactics other forum users adopt but this usually works well for me.[/QUOTE]Quoting from his own posts Harold puts the girls at ease by sticking his finger up their arse for twenty minutes.
Regards,
BJ
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1438384]You're still wondering? Most of us figured that out back in 2006 already. H444 is a disease, and like Herpes, he keeps coming back. I put him on my "Ignore" list years ago but everytime someone quotes him, I unfortunately am forced to see his brain farts.[/QUOTE]Haha, I genuinely apologise for subjecting you to his nonsense. I contemplated ignoring him too, like lots of people have done it seems, but the problem is that newcomers might actually believe some of the stuff he comes out with. For example a few weeks ago a first-timer researching his cherry trip left a comment that he was sad to hear that Bangkok is so bad these days, all because of a spate of Harold's hilariously inaccurate reports the preceding two or three days. Senior members can ignore him but newcomers can't.
[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1438468]Quoting from his own posts Harold puts the girls at ease by sticking his finger up their arse for twenty minutes.
Regards,
BJ[/QUOTE]You mean that WON'T work? Dammit! That explains a lot.
Bad news for sex tourists, what options are left?
[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/16/us-thailand-northeast-idUSBRE95F00H20130616[/url]
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1438742]Bad news for sex tourists, what options are left?
[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/16/us-thailand-northeast-idUSBRE95F00H20130616[/url][/QUOTE]Yes and not just in Udon Thani all over the Northeast.
This is good news for hots.
[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1438621]Which is why I find it hard to believe that ISG allow him to hi-jack what should be one of the best threads on the site. Surely if someone is ignored X amount of times, they should be deleted?[/QUOTE]If only that were so. Theres so many that could and should be deleted, think Dante2, PinkPearl, ChochaMonger and a few more of lifes totally useless specimens. But they just reincarnate themselves with a new name and come back spreading more of their written disease.
[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1438292]? Why not go to Angeles in Philippines where you can get equally attractive girls for a third of the price for long-time? Even you could get a girl stay with you for longer than an hour there![/QUOTE]No no no no. We don't want him and his trash talking nonsense anywhere near AC. Let him stick to Rainbow where he can continue to report and repeat his epic fails.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1438759]Let him stick to Rainbow where he can continue to report and repeat his epic fails.[/QUOTE]To fail you have to attempt. Is he attempting?
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[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1438757]If only that were so. Theres so many that could and should be deleted, think Dante2, PinkPearl, ChochaMonger and a few more of lifes totally useless specimens. But they just reincarnate themselves with a new name and come back spreading more of their written disease.[/QUOTE]Banning, without going into the conversation again it all started a few years ago after a guy got banned. Thereafter it seems this got a little gun shy for the moderator? IMHO?
But haven't you figure it out yet? This guy is just a kid, researching the site and places on the Internet from his lock room while dinner is being prepared. Harold! What are you doing in your room? Your dad is going to be home soon!
He had accumulated over a thousand post of those thousand it is just responding to other posters experience with stupid remarks and has selected a few places like Rainbow 4, luckily not too many Rainbows otherwise he would get lost. And of those thousand of post they are 99% negative and that is being conservative and always uses LOL, a teenager at best with pimples and haven't even touch the clothes of a girl in his life and most likely has a blow up doll and a vibrator under his mattress. His mommy must really love him to be having to clean those sheets of his?
Harold what you doing in your room? The Internet can be a wonderful thing for some people who can't get the real thing.
[QUOTE=Harold444; 1438726]She quite likes it. Not all the way in though. You try sticking something up a hot Rainbow girls asshole. It just isn't allowed.
Any one want to experience Pattaya in downtown BKK Just take a stroll down the lane where Dr bjs 2 places are. LOL. Reasonable facsimile of everything especially the qulaity of girl you will find.
Even a Russian or Uzbek is known to work that lane.
Add in a few seasoned Beergarden hags to the mix of Dr Bjs girls and instant Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I think you might find she "tolerates" it so you keep paying for your 40 minutes of fun, including two showers and travel time. Hilarious response and very predictable, I quote one of your posts and you get all defensive then start having a go at me, love it. You already admitted you were wrong to make statements about Pattaya having never been there and then you go and do the same thing again. If nothing else you are absolutely unique H. For the record I don't believe the post saying you keep a blow up doll and a vibrator under your bed. If you have the internet there is no need to.
Regards,
BJ
It's been a couple years since my last visit to the LOS. I have three weeks to burn this trip and I'm bringing some BKK virgins. Really is nothing better than seeing the newbie get their cherry popped in Asia. Anyway, here's the itinerary which based on any input here, is subject to change at any time. First, we'll be arriving in Singapore and using this location as our hub. Considering about $35 will get you to BKK, Vietnam, Jakarta among many others, we are planning to see as much as we can. I'm really looking for that "slap you across the face moment" for my buddies and would like to find the best location to have them walk into a room with dozens of beautiful ladies for the picking. This has to happen at least once, then I'll let them fend for themselves. I've been following Sir Lancelot's posts for the past month and he mentioned Jakarta as being a great, unspoiled monger location. Can anyone with recent experience confirm and recommend anything? I have no problem with freelancers, but an occasional barfine is ok too. We plan to rent motorcycles and cruise the coast of Thailand and Malaysia plus Vietnam if we can arrange visa's while in BKK. I was in Penang last year and had a very nice time with the freelancers and massage ladies, but the cost was quite a bit more than any trip I'd taken to BKK. Any suggestions will be most appreciated. I will be updating our activity throughout the trip.
[QUOTE=MajorPyle;1439040]I'm really looking for that "slap you across the face moment" for my buddies and would like to find the best location to have them walk into a room with dozens of beautiful ladies for the picking. I've been following Sir Lancelot's posts for the past month and he mentioned Jakarta as being a great, unspoiled monger location. Can anyone with recent experience confirm and recommend anything?[/QUOTE]Hi, I hope my diary proved useful. I think it's a great question asking for a 'slap you across the face' venue to really wow your friends.
Jakarta I would rate as one of the most under-rated sex destinations in Asia. It's extraordinarily cheap and there are lots of very pretty girls. If you go there you must visit Hotel Classic. They have some very pretty girls. I have attached a pic of an 18 year old big-boobed girl I went with for 275,000 rupiah. You can also have threesomes there for 400,000 rupiah which is about £30 off the top of my head = 1500 baht. Jakarta has various venues like this (Hotel Travel is another) , the Blok M bars have lots of freelancers, there are soapy massages at Kartika, there is a nightclub with rooms on the premises called Stadium and then there are the Pen J brothels. It's a really exciting and diverse scene with pretty girls available for cheap prices. Send me an message with your email address and I'll email you my Indonesian diary.
In terms of other 'slap you across the face' venues, here are few more that might interest you (I'd love to hear other suggestions from other people too) :
1. If your friends are Bangkok virgins, you owe it to them to take them to Nana Plaza one night. Rainbow 4 is the crème de la crème but Mandarin and Billboard have some nice girls too.
2. Next night, take them to Soi Cowboy. The must-visits here are Shark, Tilac and Baccara. The latter probably has the prettiest girls but they can be a bit like zombies early in the night, so maybe visit after 9pm. There is another dance floor upstairs with topless girls.
3. Nataree massage parlour. Although I love massage parlours, I confess that I've only been to two in Bangkok. But Nataree has LOTS of very pretty girls and I suspect that moment when you first walk in with your friends, their jaws will drop to the floor.
Other non-Bangkok suggestions:
4. You should take your friends to a place that offers 'soapy massages' (body to body on an inflatable mattress). I can remember having my first and it was the most pleasurable sensation I'd ever had. Your friends will definitely thank you. Strangely not many places offer it in Bangkok but lots of places offer it in Pattaya (I. E Sabai Dee, Honey 1, Honey 2 etc). As I said earlier, I'm not an expert at all about the BKK massage scene but I'm sure there is lots of good info on the Bangkok massage threads.
5. Walking Street in Pattaya will be a real eye-opener for your friends. It has lots of great gogo bars, beer bars and nightclubs and is probably the best place to people-watch in Asia.
6. Soi 6 in Pattaya. If your friends like something a bit more seedy, soi 6 is the place. It's a street in Pattaya containing lots of bars where you can very cheaply take a girl upstairs and fuck her on the premises. There tend not to be many beauty queens but every now and then you can find a young cutie.
Non-Thailand suggestions (you'll have to excuse me as I don't know your exact itinerary) :
7. A threesome at Le Cyrcee in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. Young girls, cheap prices, what could be better?
8. The X-houses of Sanur, Bali. It's a sleepy beach town in which lots of buildings have a red X on the side. This means they have girls. It's like a treasure hunt walking around trying to find them (I made a map which is in my diary). There are some really pretty girls and it is extremely cheap. Bear in mind that the rooms are like saunas though.
9. Fields Avenue in Angeles, Philippines. This might worthy of consideration for your trip. The gogo bars in Angeles are bigger, better and cheaper than those in Bangkok or Pattaya. The bar-fine system is also very different as it's just a one-off payment to the club and the girl will stay long-time with you. Atlantis, Carousel, Typhoon and Insomnia are my favourite bars but there are many to choose from.
10. Manila Bay Café in Manila, Philippines. This is probably the best freelance venue in Asia I think (I'd love to know if anyone thinks differently). It's a big bar with women outnumbering men by at least 6 to 1. All eyes will be on you and your friends. It can be like a bear-pit at times but there are some extremely pretty girls to be found. I've attached a photo of a girl I took from there for long-time.
11. I was only going to make this a top ten but I've got to add one more since you sound keen on Indonesia. In east Java there is a city called Surubaya. It used to house one of the biggest red light districts in Asia. It is much smaller these days but is still worth visiting. It's called the 'Dolly brothels'. You walk down a street and can see in to dozens of show-rooms where there are girls sat on couches. You have to search hard for a good-looker but they can be found. The unique thing is that you take the girl to their very own room so you will be having sex with them surrounded by their posters, stuffed toys and possessions (see pic).
I hope some of this is useful. Like I say, send me a private message and I'll email you my Indonesia diary from a few years ago.
Lance
[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1438885]I think you might find she "tolerates" it so you keep paying for your 40 minutes of fun, including two showers and travel time. Hilarious response and very predictable, I quote one of your posts and you get all defensive then start having a go at me, love it. You already admitted you were wrong to make statements about Pattaya having never been there and then you go and do the same thing again. If nothing else you are absolutely unique H. For the record I don't believe the post saying you keep a blow up doll and a vibrator under your bed. If you have the internet there is no need to.
Regards.
BJ[/QUOTE]The operative word used is Attempt, the Internet gets you only so far? Using your hand in front of the net gets old and having a blow up doll is cheap and as close as he is going to get.
[QUOTE=MajorPyle;1439040]It's been a couple years since my last visit to the LOS. I have three weeks to burn this trip and I'm bringing some BKK virgins. Really is nothing better than seeing the newbie get their cherry popped in Asia. Anyway, here's the itinerary which based on any input here, is subject to change at any time. First, we'll be arriving in Singapore and using this location as our hub. Considering about $35 will get you to BKK, Vietnam, Jakarta among many others, we are planning to see as much as we can. I'm really looking for that "slap you across the face moment" for my buddies and would like to find the best location to have them walk into a room with dozens of beautiful ladies for the picking. This has to happen at least once, then I'll let them fend for themselves...[/QUOTE]The following are personal opinions.
I think Bangkok and Jakarta are your best bets. Read the posts on the Bangkok threads and you'll pick up a plethora of useful information.
I had many long stays (a few months at a time) in Indonesia over a period of several years ending about five years ago. I think Jakarta is under appreciated as a mongering destination. Don't let the fact that Indonesia is a Muslim country deter you. Read the Jakarta thread in the forum and you'll find a lot of good information. A good place to start your mongering is Block M. In general I found the Indonesian ladies to be sweeter and better looking than the Thai ladies.
None the less, overall I much prefer Bangkok. It is less unattractive than Jakarta; the mongering grounds are easier to negotiate. You can procure women in the gogo bars, nightclubs, beer bars and off the streets and in some surprising places. On my last stay I fucked the maid who cleaned my room. You can go to the massage parlors. Either soapy or oily; and you can book an escort.
In Jakarta you're going to be picking up freelancers in clubs and bars for the most part.
[QUOTE=HotShaneHot; 1438746]Yes and not just in Udon Thani all over the Northeast.
This is good news for hots.[/QUOTE]Not so, even if this works out, your hot chicks will still be there Hots.
There has been a few old posts talking about AEON ATM's now charging the Thai 150 bt fee.
Having got back in country and staying in BKK for a while before going to Pattaya and than Up country, I used the AEON ATM in Terminal 21 Mall Thursday 26 June. There is NO 150 bt fee.
I really enjoyed your informative post and I've had fun in Jakarta on the few times I've been there, but one must know where to go and I think this post provides that
Information with one correct. The "X" on the houses only means that the house or business is an X-tension, as in added on to a previous address. This is a common error and one that could lead to you being a little more embarrassed than you'd like to be. I know I live here in Bali now, but am moving to CM Thailand in a few weeks.
- jf.
8. The X-houses of Sanur, Bali. It's a sleepy beach town in which lots of buildings have a red X on the side. This means they have girls. It's like a treasure hunt walking around trying to find them (I made a map which is in my diary). There are some really pretty girls and it is extremely cheap. Bear in mind that the rooms are like saunas though.
[QUOTE=Jijjy; 1439563]I really enjoyed your informative post and I've had fun in Jakarta on the few times I've been there, but one must know where to go and I think this post provides that
Information with one correct. The "X" on the houses only means that the house or business is an X-tension, as in added on to a previous address. This is a common error and one that could lead to you being a little more embarrassed than you'd like to be. I know I live here in Bali now, but am moving to CM Thailand in a few weeks.[/QUOTE]When I compiled the map of X-houses I walked in to each place to confirm. Most places were 'pizza delivery' as it was low-season when I visited but there were always a couple of guys on bikes asking 'girl? '. The main x-houses (with something akin to a fishbowl) were down a bumpy track to the left of Circle K on Jalan Danau Poso.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1438757]Theres so many that could and should be deleted, think Dante2, PinkPearl, ChochaMonger and a few more of lifes totally useless specimens.[/QUOTE]Funny you mention the Dante2 clown. I read on another forum, this dirtbag is so cheap, rather than going to a doctor to remove his genital warts, he's self-mutilating his penis to make them go away, and is left with scabs all over his junk. No doubt he'll be spreading his funk around Angeles City or wherever he may be in the PI
[QUOTE=Jgm005; 1439225]There has been a few old posts talking about AEON ATM's now charging the Thai 150 bt fee.
Having got back in country and staying in BKK for a while before going to Pattaya and than Up country, I used the AEON ATM in Terminal 21 Mall Thursday 26 June. There is NO 150 bt fee.[/QUOTE]For some reason my bank was closed on Monday. I noticed a few other businesses closed that would normally be open. Was able to buy booze in the market as usual with no signs about any holiday.
As regards fees, on Tuesday in BKK I used a different foreign bank card than I usually do. For the first time ever was charged a fee of 180 baht for a withdrawal. Withdrawal was 5 figures, in baht. With the card I usually use there the fee is 150 baht, though I wonder if it, too, will be 180 next time I use it.
On another subject, these TGs sure look younger than their age. Saw one in a store the other day who claimed to be in her mid 20's but didn't look a day over 15. Tons of young hot girls walking around in the daytime in the vicinity of NEP, at MBK etc.
Hi all,
Just a General question which may be placed best in this part of the forum:
Having 4-6 weeks vacation in October / November and also having a rental car during this time, is it still good to go to Thailand during the rain season?
I'm not looking for beach vacation in an AI Hotel or diving or similar (also not planned to stay 6 weeks in Pattaya)
I just want to drive through parts of the Country without big planning before and picking up nice Thai Girls here and / or there.
But I prefer FlipFlops instead of fisherman's boots. Another Option would be somewhere else in Asis or going to the Caribbean (Cuba, DomRep.)
Thanks for an answer, also knowing that nobody can predict the exact weather during Oct / Nov.
Hotzo
[QUOTE=Hotzo; 1441690]Hi all,
Just a General question which may be placed best in this part of the forum:
Having 4-6 weeks vacation in October / November and also having a rental car during this time, is it still good to go to Thailand during the rain season?
I'm not looking for beach vacation in an AI Hotel or diving or similar (also not planned to stay 6 weeks in Pattaya)
I just want to drive through parts of the Country without big planning before and picking up nice Thai Girls here and / or there.
But I prefer FlipFlops instead of fisherman's boots. Another Option would be somewhere else in Asis or going to the Caribbean (Cuba, DomRep.)
Thanks for an answer, also knowing that nobody can predict the exact weather during Oct / Nov.
Hotzo[/QUOTE]To Hotzo,
The first part of OCT have heavy rain a lot of flooding in Bangkok, if you go end of OCT is ok and NOV weather is good cooler weather not as humid you might want to visit other country in SE Asia if you have 4-6 week 2 week in Thailand enough try Malayasia or Indoenasia for a few weeks.
Fast Eddie 48
[QUOTE=MajorPyle;1439040]I'm really looking for that "slap you across the face moment" for my buddies and would like to find the best location to have them walk into a room with dozens of beautiful ladies for the picking. This has to happen at least once, then I'll let them fend for themselves.[/QUOTE]1) Darling 1 Massage Macau.
2) Ipanema Singapore Orchard Towers.
I think we're all looking for this type of venue. Today I would rate Darling 1 Massage in Macau as Number 1. You walk in and there they are. Lots of good looking girls lined up for your choosing. The girls are grouped by their nationality. Thais, Viets, Chinese, Superstars from different countries, etc. Some high end BKK fishbowls were like this but the BKK fishbowls have declined in terms of good lookers. Freelance bars, even those loaded with pretty girls, just don't have the same effect as a fishbowl loaded with phenominal talent. In the bars you have to compete with others for the top talent, buy drinks, etc. In fishbowls you choose and point. My favorite freelancer bar is Ipanema in Singapore. Darling, Ipanema and Singapore in general offers the luxury of girls from different countries. I hear Beach Club in Kuala Lumpur is good but I've never been there. Chesterfields in Moscow was also a great one but it's gone downhill.
Any other nominations?
[QUOTE=Allover; 144224]My favorite freelancer bar is Ipanema in Singapore. Darling, Ipanema and Singapore in general offers the luxury of girls from different countries.[/QUOTE]Ipanema has become a Viet-girl haunt. I went there to look for a sweet Pinay but did not find one last time I was there.
[QUOTE=Allover;1442249]Any other nominations?[/QUOTE]Biergarten off Sukhumvit in BKK; and Manila Bay Club in Malare, Philippines. They are both hit and miss but I've had some nice tits I mean hits in both.
[QUOTE=D Cups;1442271]Biergarten off Sukhumvit in BKK; and Manila Bay Club in Malare, Philippines. They are both hit and miss but I've had some nice tits I mean hits in both.[/QUOTE]In Singapore now I'm seeing D cups or F cups galore.
White skinned China dolls & aunties by the dozens, not something you'll find in BKKs beer garden.
Afternoons to late evenings. About 50 USD all in for a quick fix with typical PRC type service (boobs massage, nipple licks, etc).
Less than that for an adequate hotel room in the heart of the action in Geylang. Ditto to fly from BKK with Air Asia.
Overall the scene IMO is much the same & as good as Bangkok, from my research & early impressions.
Walking around I've also seen some attractive EI & very hot Thai looking girls for sale.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1443116]In Singapore now I'm seeing D cups or F cups galore.
White skinned China dolls & aunties by the dozens, not something you'll find in BKKs beer garden.
Afternoons to late evenings. About 50 USD all in for a quick fix with typical PRC type service (boobs massage, nipple licks, etc).
Less than that for an adequate hotel room in the heart of the action in Geylang. Ditto to fly from BKK with Air Asia.
Overall the scene IMO is much the same & as good as Bangkok, from my research & early impressions.
Walking around I've also seen some attractive EI & very hot Thai looking girls for sale.[/QUOTE]Was just there. The EI pussy looked delicious but I didn't partake. However, it looked so scrumptious I booked a trip to Kolkata in a few months. Pumped and plan on soaking my pipe in as much curry as possible.
Nice one. And it's only going to get worse.
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/356506/rejected-student-shoots-at-restaurant-in-chiang-mai-three-foreign-tourists-injured[/url]
There is definitely a biological design to explain the attraction for younger girls.
While I do agree that older girls give better service and may go out of their way to srvice your whims and fancies, And are less prejudiced towatds your age, color, etc etc. However, I do partake young girls, sometimes half my age.
The attraction may simply be explained to their being more fertile and capable to procreation than an older lady.
I recently had a girl, all of 20-22 years old. Her face was all written over "I don't like you". I still went ahead and didn't push the envelope much, it was mostly me servicing her, rather than vice versa. While playing with her clit, I observed that she was getting aroused at that, which gave me a clue that might help me get a favorable reaction, I offered her DATY, and she readily agreed, by the time, I was done 15-20 mins later, she was thoroughly aroused and wanted to get fucked hard. A smile after the first session got her talking, and soon she was merrily chatting away, about family food, etc etc. A further offer of 300 bahts for a second shot was readily accepted and she was more than ready for the 2nd time. All her reservations seemed to have gone and I immeresed mysrlf in viewing and enjoying the young body, she was endowed with.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1450340]Nice one. And it's only going to get worse.
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/356506/rejected-student-shoots-at-restaurant-in-chiang-mai-three-foreign-tourists-injured[/url][/QUOTE]So what do you think it'll cost him. 50,000 Bhat more or less and note from his father?
[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1450344]However, I do partake young girls, sometimes half my age.
I recently had a girl, all of 20-22 years old. Her face was all written over "I don't like you". I still went ahead and didn't push the envelope much, it was mostly me servicing her, rather than vice versa. While playing with her clit, I observed that she was getting aroused at that, which gave me a clue that might help me get a favorable reaction, I offered her DATY, and she readily agreed, by the time, I was done 15-20 mins later, she was thoroughly aroused and wanted to get fucked hard.[/QUOTE]You think this would work the other way around? Say a woman twice YOUR age offered you what you offered the girl half your age.
[QUOTE=Hotzo; 1441690]Hi all,
Just a General question which may be placed best in this part of the forum:
Having 4-6 weeks vacation in October / November and also having a rental car during this time, is it still good to go to Thailand during the rain season?
I'm not looking for beach vacation in an AI Hotel or diving or similar (also not planned to stay 6 weeks in Pattaya)
I just want to drive through parts of the Country without big planning before and picking up nice Thai Girls here and / or there.
But I prefer FlipFlops instead of fisherman's boots. Another Option would be somewhere else in Asis or going to the Caribbean (Cuba, DomRep.)
Thanks for an answer, also knowing that nobody can predict the exact weather during Oct / Nov.
Hotzo[/QUOTE]It will be rainy in October and early November, but usually much less than earlier in the summer. It usually doesn't rain all day so you'll have plenty of semi-decent weather to see things.
The big question is whether or not you can speak and read Thai. Traveling outside of the touristy areas, the road signs are mostly in Thai. Very few people speak English or any language other than Thai or Lao (assuming you're traveling through Isaan).
While girls are available just about anywhere it's not like Nana or Cowboy. In smaller towns you'll have to know where to look and you'll have to speak passable Thai. Even then there may be nothing available. It depends on where you decide to stop. All the small town venues will cater to Thai guys and will tend to focus on massage and karaoke.
It may be easier to find a sweetie and take her with you. Not as much variety, but you'll have an interpreter.
Or, you may have better luck doing this in Vietnam where the written language is a bit easier to decipher and more English is spoken.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1450484]You think this would work the other way around? Say a woman twice YOUR age offered you what you offered the girl half your age.[/QUOTE]Yeah why not? Whatever rocks your boat man. For me it would work only if she is a MILF or has the right curves and not too droopy around the right places.
If she is attractive and sensual enough, then why not!
Also the price has to be right. Afterall we are working girls for something or the other. Just MHO.
i very rarely go to the gogo bars these days but about 2 months ago i ended up in nana and we somehow ended up on the seldom visited top floor (heading to billboard which as it turns out is a pretty nice bar).
there is (or was now) a bar there called lone star and it was one of the most bizarre things i have seen in bangkok but it seemed to be full of nothing but 14 and 15 year old girls. it was shocking! we commented at that time that this was just so utterly odd and so completely out of place in the modern day. it was like something you would of expected from 30 years ago.
i was in nana yesterday and the place was a buzz with talk of a big police raid on that bar on wednesday and how they took a away a lot of **** girls. that is a good thing as that place was completely out of control. i mention it as it was just so utterly bizarre to see that and we were pretty appalled at the time. i am glad it got closed down.
did anyone else know about that raid or see that bar before? it was just so surreal.
I read that Thailand requires your passport to be good for 6 months after your entry date. My passport is set to expire 6 months and 2 weeks before my planned trip, will that be an issue? Should I renew the passport before the trip or just point out the extra 2 weeks if they bring it up?
Why take a chance. Get a new one and then you are safe.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1450963]I read that Thailand requires your passport to be good for 6 months after your entry date. My passport is set to expire 6 months and 2 weeks before my planned trip, will that be an issue? Should I renew the passport before the trip or just point out the extra 2 weeks if they bring it up?[/QUOTE]Correct. The other day I tried to book tickets for me and my dad from Angeles to Bangkok for 2 weeks from now. On the Tiger Air website it said the passport has to be valid for 6 months and my dad's expire in December. So he went to get a new one the day before yesterday. They said he will have it Tuesday. I wouldn't take any chances.
I hate to clutter up a board by asking 'rookie' questions. Here's the deal, United airlines allows a free layover (no time limit) before heading onto another destination and then back home. Its an amazing deal since it allows you to check out two hobby destinations on the same free ticket (using airmiles). I'm a diehard German Fkk guy but this flight deal is too good to pass up. I'm pretty well set on Bangkok and Pattaya, I was going to do the Fkk leg first before heading onto Thailand until I ran across some Angels City posts. Im thinking it might be better to fly to Bangkok first and then onto another destination nearby instead of visiting the Fkk club scene. So now my question is how does Angels City and Macau stack up against the scene in Thailand? Quality of the girls, the scene in each destination, the ease of reaching each destination, costs, risks, visa requirements, hotels etc. Basically any comments comparing these three to each other would help my planning. Anyone who doesn't wish to clutter up this thread can send me a PM if that's preferable to them.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1452952]How does Angeles City and Macau stack up against the scene in Thailand?[/QUOTE]I have no first-hand experience, but I have read multiple online reports in the past month regarding a crackdown by the authorities in Angeles City. Mostly it seems to be petty harassment of the girls and the bar owners, as opposed to the punters. But some guys report that the bar owners are currently viewing with suspicion gentlemen they haven't seen before. The consensus opinion of Angeles City experts is that this hassle is temporary and the scene will eventually get back to normal. But not much clarity on what "eventually" means. Don't know when Mr. Breadman plans to take his holiday, but it he's traveling soon he may wish to investigate the scene in Angeles City before making any firm plans. There are web sites that focus on that part of the world, but I shall refrain from posting any links in accordance with forum rules. A little Google-fu will find them easily enough.
Bunky
[QUOTE=Breadman;1452952]So now my question is how does Angels City and Macau stack up against the scene in Thailand?[/QUOTE]Dunno about Angeles. Macau: No comparison. You can have a very good time there, but Thailand is much more above board / open / accessible.
I'm not sure where to ask this but this seemed like the proper place. I am interested in a vibrator but want one that is a proven orgasm donor. I have heard great things about the hitachi magic wand but its too bulky and needs to be plugged in. I want to get something for my very soon to be trips but want something much smaller. Any recommendations?
Nclpimp,
I sent you a PM with the solution.
[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1455978]I'm not sure where to ask this but this seemed like the proper place. I am interested in a vibrator but want one that is a proven orgasm donor. I have heard great things about the hitachi magic wand but its too bulky and needs to be plugged in. I want to get something for my very soon to be trips but want something much smaller. Any recommendations?[/QUOTE]Not sure where you are from, but in the UK the Ann Summers chain sell the 'rabbit' which is brilliant, and a smaller variant called 'just the ears' which in man ways is better. The girls just adore them!
B04
[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1455978]I'm not sure where to ask this but this seemed like the proper place. I am interested in a vibrator but want one that is a proven orgasm donor. I have heard great things about the hitachi magic wand but its too bulky and needs to be plugged in. I want to get something for my very soon to be trips but want something much smaller. Any recommendations?[/QUOTE]Yes,
[url]http://we-vibe.com/[/url]
Not cheap, but excellent product. Small, no chords and there is an RF control.
[quote=paul kausch; 1456067]yes,
[url]http://we-vibe.com/[/url]
not cheap, but excellent product. small, no chords and there is an rf control.[/quote]i agree. we-vibe tango is about the size of forefinger. high quality. rechargeable internal battery.
chord only for recharging.
girls appreciate the hassle free nature of not having to buy special batteries and yet fits in her purse.
its got various speeds and rhythms. small but by no means weak.
this is definitely the small deluxe.
of course there are girls that want the huge jack-rabbit right up them (like a girl cat who once worked at ll and then the office) , however we-vibe is the discreet one.
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1456075]I agree. We-vibe tango is about the size of forefinger
we-vibe is the discreet one.[/QUOTE]Also designed to simultaneously hit the G-spot and the clitoris. Guy can have vaginal intercourse with the girl while she's wearing it. You too may love it; or you might find it a little uncomfortable or distracting. You will feel the device and vibrations as your penis slides past it.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1456077]Also designed to simultaneously hit the G-spot and the clitoris. Guy can have vaginal intercourse with the girl while she's wearing it. You too may love it; or you might find it a little uncomfortable or distracting. You will feel the device and vibrations as your penis slides past it.[/QUOTE]That would be one of the other "We" models. We-vibe 3 perhaps? Not the very simple "Tango" that I have bought. There are several styles. Of course there are far cheaper vibes but most clap out after merely weeks.
That is why quality is relatively important. There are shit products available on the street in Sukhumvit but I assure you these are made in China and almost worthless.
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1456083]That would be one of the other "We" models. We-vibe 3 perhaps? Not the very simple "Tango" that I have bought. There are several styles. Of course there are far cheaper vibes but most clap out after merely weeks.
That is why quality is relatively important. There are shit products available on the street in Sukhumvit but I assure you these are made in China and almost worthless.[/QUOTE]You're absolutely right about Tango versus the product I was describing. I was referring to the We-VibeII and We-Vibe3, a newer, more powerful and more expensive version of the We-VibeII.
The same discussion is going on in a parallel universe: The Philippines-General Reports forum so I thought I would bring both worlds together.
The Hitachi Magic Wand is a great one, but it is a monster and too bulky for travel.
For travel a quality compact, portable, waterproof, and rechargeable vibrator is what is needed. The two best that fit all the criteria are the Lelo Mia 2 and the We-Vibe Tango or Salsa which are all available on Amazon for less than $50. I have a black Lelo Mia 2. It works pretty good. Of course does anything work better than tongue on clit? Some girls say no and some girls can't live without their Magic Wand.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1456267]The same discussion is going on in a parallel universe: The Philippines-General Reports forum so I thought I would bring both worlds together.
The Hitachi Magic Wand is a great one, but it is a monster and too bulky for travel.
For travel a quality compact, portable, waterproof, and rechargeable vibrator is what is needed. The two best that fit all the criteria are the Lelo Mia 2 and the We-Vibe Tango or Salsa which are all available on Amazon for less than $50. I have a black Lelo Mia 2. It works pretty good. Of course does anything work better than tongue on clit? Some girls say no and some girls can't live without their Magic Wand.[/QUOTE]The We-Vibe3 is nothing like these other products. A picture is worth a 1000 words.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1452952]So now my question is how does Angels City and Macau stack up against the scene in Thailand? Quality of the girls, the scene in each destination, the ease of reaching each destination, costs, risks, visa requirements, hotels etc. Basically any comments comparing these three to each other would help my planning. Anyone who doesn't wish to clutter up this thread can send me a PM if that's preferable to them.[/QUOTE]Macau. Expensive. High end. No English. Full of Chinese & Hong Kongers. Forget it.
Angeles City. A small dirty wild west like place with a few blocks full of hooker bars in 3rd world Philippine Islands. To be distinguished from Bangkok which is called Angels City, or the City of Angels. Good GFE. Cheap. English spoken. Lousy food & infrastructure. Scams galore. Dangerous. Don't bother.
Bangkok / Pattaya. Huge hooker heaven. Prettier, slimmer girls than the PI. Cheap. Easy. Safe. Good infrastructure. Go & have the time of your life.
Singapore. As a 2nd Asian destination this would be preferable to Macau, as English is widely spoken, making things much easier for those fluent in the language. My guess is that hotels, food & hookers in SG would also offer you better options. Much like Siam above, but hotels more pricey. Extremely safe. Only 2 hours by air from BKK.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1456279]The We-Vibe3 is nothing like these other products. A picture is worth a 1000 words.[/QUOTE]The We-Vibe 3? Uhm. I am just a innocent, simple, country boy. I don't think the Vibe 3 is for me. Maggie and Gik from Devil's Den have tried electric stimulation on my erogenous parts several times and it left me cold. I did not feel the magic. No, what turns me on is a beautiful girl with a passionate nature who likes to dfk, smoke deep, and have sex in many positions. Hence the reason why I bought my Lelo Mia 2 in order to open the flood gates. Some girls really like it. What really stimulates my dick is a bareback ride. There is no feeling simulated or natural that comes close to that. But I have to admire the ingenuity and design of the Vibe 3 product. Remote control! What are they going to think up next?
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1456267]Of course does anything work better than tongue on clit? Some girls say no and some girls can't live without their Magic Wand.[/QUOTE]That depends greatly on the skill of the guy and also on whether girl likes soft stimulation or very powerful stimulation. I bought vibe for GF to use while I'm away. However she liked it so much she wants to use during sex too. Instead of oral? Not at all. She always wants the DATY to warm up first and being very sensitive she doesn't take long to orgasm at all. During sex, she then wants to ramp it up, so every time she gets close to orgasm, the vibe comes on to just multiply it. This means she is orgasming many times in not so long a session and gets tired a little quicker than ideal for me. So sometimes I have to restrict her vibe use in order to extend the session a bit for my benefit.
The vibe makes little difference to my feeling, but sends the girl into massive explosions.
In the past she had complained that certain cheap vibes were just gutless and feeling was too weak and a hassle to buy batteries so rechargeable is important. Discreet is important. She did not want one that was noisy as daughter might hear the noise from other room.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1456472]The We-Vibe 3? Uhm. I am just a innocent, simple, country boy. I don't think the Vibe 3 is for me. Maggie and Gik from Devil's Den have tried electric stimulation on my erogenous parts several times and it left me cold. But I have to admire the ingenuity and design of the Vibe 3 product. Remote control! What are they going to think up next?[/QUOTE]I've read reviews in which guys stated it was uncomfortable for them but the girls loved it. I've done anal with girls while they had a big vibrator up their vagina. I could feel mild vibrations and found it interesting. Though I can't say it enhanced the sexual pleasure for me. Similarly, while I like getting rimmed, if anything it relaxes me and I get softer, unless another girl is sucking my cock or I'm banging another girl at the same time. Toys and girls are a fun combination to play with, but I'm with you, nothing feels better to my cock than a girl's three orifices.
Funny you should say this. I have a girl from Thai Friendly in my room and introduced her to her first vibrator. Took 30 seconds and I heard 'I want' so I have lost it for it goes home with her. And she was remarking about hiding it from her daughter. Something about telling her it is chocolate which made no sense.
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1456490]Snipped
Discreet is important. She did not want one that was noisy as daughter might hear the noise from other room.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jgm005;1456608]Funny you should say this. I have a girl from Thai Friendly in my room and introduced her to her first vibrator. Took 30 seconds and I heard 'I want' so I have lost it for it goes home with her. And she was remarking about hiding it from her daughter. Something about telling her it is chocolate which made no sense.[/QUOTE]I wish I could have a Thai chick in Kenya.
In my experience, older women like it and younger women do not.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1456305]Macau. Expensive. High end. No English. Full of Chinese & Hong Kongers. Forget it.
Angeles City. A small dirty wild west like place with a few blocks full of hooker bars in 3rd world Philippine Islands. To be distinguished from Bangkok which is called Angels City, or the City of Angels. Good GFE. Cheap. English spoken. Lousy food & infrastructure. Scams galore. Dangerous. Don't bother.
Bangkok / Pattaya. Huge hooker heaven. Prettier, slimmer girls than the PI. Cheap. Easy. Safe. Good infrastructure. Go & have the time of your life.
Singapore. As a 2nd Asian destination this would be preferable to Macau, as English is widely spoken, making things much easier for those fluent in the language. My guess is that hotels, food & hookers in SG would also offer you better options. Much like Siam above, but hotels more pricey. Extremely safe. Only 2 hours by air from BKK.[/QUOTE]An other area is Bali especially with the IDR at over 10250/$. Plenty of English spoken and lots of action.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1450963]I read that Thailand requires your passport to be good for 6 months after your entry date. My passport is set to expire 6 months and 2 weeks before my planned trip, will that be an issue? Should I renew the passport before the trip or just point out the extra 2 weeks if they bring it up?[/QUOTE]Don't chance it. That's my advice. I was in the same situation when I was about to book my ticket to Thailand, and after doing much research I decided to just renew my passport. What you need to remember is that you're entering another country. Their rules, their ways. And it is not always going to be consistent, so why take a chance? Is it really worth it to face a situation where you could be told. No you cannot enter, too close to the 6 month mark. Time to turn back and deal with headaches?
Renew the passport, enjoy your travel to LOS. It is amazing.
Macau: Expensive-Yes. High End-Yes. Go! You won't regret it. The place is loaded with beautiful Chinese girls dying to give you a PSE. The Sauna action is better than BKK Soapy action.
Angeles City: Dirty-yes. Wild West-you funny, but yes. English Spoken-Yes. GFE-Yes, yes, yes. Cheap-Yes. Dangerous-you so funny. No, I never felt threatened there and I never allowed any one to con me. Oh, you aren't kidding about the danger. Ok, don't go! More Pinays for me.
Bangkok: ("Pattaya. Prettier, slimmer girls than the PI. Cheap. Easy. Safe. Good infrastructure. Go & have the time of your life.") I won't argue with you here. I love BKK, but it is not exactly cheap anymore.
Phnom Penh: Not for everybody. I like it. Funky atmosphere, nice girls, good food, reasonable prices, plus a little culture thrown in.
Singapore: Not preferable to Macau, although Singapore is surprisingly very good. Girls from all over the world are available in various Orchard Road bars. Expensive by BKK standards. Geylang is very great. The Chinese and Thai houses are best. Hotels are expensive, but cheap accommodations are available in Geylang. Food is excellent.
Jakarta: Going first time in March. Dirty, congested, and sprawling. I have heard great things about the night life. From my own experience, Indonesian girls are great.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1456727]Macau: Expensive-Yes. High End-Yes. Go! You won't regret it. The place is loaded with beautiful Chinese girls dying to give you a PSE. The Sauna action is better than BKK Soapy action.[/QUOTE]Natty, Is there somewhere we can see pics of all these beautiful Chinese girls. I mean to me some Chinese girls are stunning like "Singapore Girls" (on the airline) or Shu Qi but by far the majority of normal Chinese girls are quite ugly to my taste.
I went to Guangzhou for several days and saw plenty of Chinese girls were available but most did not appeal much.
[url]http://www.2flashgames.com/photo/shu_qi/Shu_Qi_0142.htm[/url]
My stereotype of the typical Chinese girl is a round puffy face and very straight non curvy body with a flat ass.
[QUOTE=Jgm005;1456608]Funny you should say this. I have a girl from Thai Friendly in my room and introduced her to her first vibrator. Took 30 seconds and I heard 'I want' so I have lost it for it goes home with her. And she was remarking about hiding it from her daughter. Something about telling her it is chocolate which made no sense.[/QUOTE]Yes its wise to have some relatively cheap vibes, if you want to use with not so important girls, lest she want to keep it. Unfortunately experience needed to work out which cheaper models actually work really well (with good power). Ask the girl selling in the shop which one she actually likes herself LOL
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1456826]. Ask the girl selling in the shop which one she actually likes herself LOL[/QUOTE]When you buy cars the seller often offers a test drive, even if just around the block. So. Was wondering whether the saleswoman of the vibes. LOL
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1456490]Natty, is there somewhere we can see pics of all these beautiful Chinese girls. I mean to me some Chinese girls are stunning like "Singapore Girls" (on the airline) or Shu Qi but by far the majority of normal Chinese girls are quite ugly to my taste.[/QUOTE]The majority of girls in any lineup be it a BKK Go Go, high end soapy, or Soi 24 oily are usually not up to my taste, but in my favorite places there is that 10% to 15% that I find attractive and desirable. Same same in the best Macau saunas; except Macau being Macau, the Vegas of the East, the saunas are employing some of the most attractive working girls in all of China. The fact is there are so many girls in every sauna's evening lineup that I usually see at least 10 to 15 stunners [STUNNERS] at Rio & East, and maybe 5 or more absolute stunners at Familia Nobre ShowTime's. Sometimes the selection is so good that I give up trying to make an intelligent pick and just do the equivalent of eeny, meeny, miny, moe to select a smiling girl from the 4 or 5 best in show.
I wish I had some pictures of my Macau Sauna girls for the memory books and to post here on the forum. But unlike BKK Soapy's, it is very hard to take pictures inside the private rooms at the Saunas. I brought a Swan Pen camera with me last time I was there expressly to snap a few shots of the girls. But once the girls realized what I was about to do, they asked me not to take any pictures. Management forbids it and these girls are very well managed. So you will just have to take my word for it that these girls, at least the ones I have had sessions with are pretty close to spectacular. I rate most of my sauna girls 7* and higher for face, body and usually 8* for service.
Here is the East Spa web page. I don't think it does the girls justice, but it does show the diversity of looks you will find among the Sauna girls.
[url]http://www.eaststartgroup.com/east_spa_club/albums.asp[/url]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1456490]http://www.2flashgames.com/photo/shu_qi/Shu_Qi_0142.htm[/QUOTE]I have been wowed by Shu Qi's extraordinary beauty since I first saw her spread in Taiwan Penthouse back in 2000 or earlier. Naturally I have downloaded all of her nudes including some rare nude videos. I love the videos of her taking a shower in one and in another frolicking on a beach. They were all made over a decade ago before she became a big star. Actually she has been in some very good movies. "Millennium Mambo" and "Three Times" are probably being her best cinematic efforts and of course she chewed up the scenery in "The Transporter". If I had been the director of Transporter I would have trained the camera on her and left it there for every scene. The car chases and fighting scenes got in the way IMHO.
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1456490]I went to Guangzhou for several days and saw plenty of Chinese girls were available but most did not appeal much. My stereotype of the typical Chinese girl is a round puffy face and very straight non curvy body with a flat ass.[/QUOTE]Well you said it right there. It is a stereotype. Actually there is a great deal of diversity in Chinese sauna girls, probably more variability than one sees in the working girls of BKK. Macau is a magnet for the most attractive working girls in China. It is a place where they can earn top dollar. That is the draw and the reason so many attractive girls can be found there. So in the saunas you will find the stereotypical Chinese girls you are referring to for sure, but you will also see tall girls with large natural breasts, medium height girls with athletic bodies and semi hourglass figures, thin spinners with small breasts, and voluptuous spinners with 'C' cups. And yes you will find some girls with bolt-ons and straightened noses. I am with you on the silly cones. In hate them. What a turn off! Incidentally the Viet girls have the highest percentage of chest augmentation among all the Macau Sauna girls. I would estimate as high as 90% of Viet models carry extra weight. I do not know why. I differ with you, however about straight noses. I pretty much don't care one way or another. It does not have any influence over who I choose. But, I have advised several BKK girls not to do it. I have said 'but you have such a pretty nose. Such a pretty Thai nose. Don't change it. ' And I think a couple of girls may actually have listened to me. But I will take a girl with a nose job all else being good. It is not a critical factor for me.
Now back to Macau: I think Macau is great, but don't take my word for it. Macau is 3 hours away from BKK. Go there. Spend 3 or 4 days and check it out. It will never replace BKK, but I think you will like it. My M. O. Is to spend roughly 3 weeks in BKK. 4 days in Pattaya, and 5 days in Macau per trip.
Natty I agree the sauna girls of Macau are prettier than the soapy girls of BKK. But I believe the non P4P girls you see on the streets of BKK are prettier than the average non working girl in Macau by far.
I've been to Fuji Sauna and Millionaire Sauna which are not true sauna experiences. How much does a high end sauna like East, Rio, or 18 Spa cost in Macau? My guess is they are priced higher than BKK's priciest soapies. I will be in Macao next month. May try a real sauna for the first time.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1457454]Now back to Macau: I think Macau is great, but don't take my word for it. Macau is 3 hours away from BKK. Go there. Spend 3 or 4 days and check it out. It will never replace BKK, but I think you will like it. My M. O. Is to spend roughly 3 weeks in BKK. 4 days in Pattaya, and 5 days in Macau per trip.[/QUOTE]I think that is good advice to take the side trip. Thanks for the video. I liked 3 girls or so: Konoka, Nala, Cassy. Probably non typical looks from these 3. Some others were a normal Chinese look that might be great for others, and some looked just plain in the face. Not many Shu Qis obviously. I guess she is a one in a million type. The bodies looked pretty good, being slim and curvy. So obviously the typical Chinese straight body types don't make it.
I take your point that these places are taking girls far above average and then get to select the cream from a large group. So China no doubt has stunners. Its just a low percentage of the total population. In Thailand you can see very pretty girls on the BTS at times or in Emporium. The are everywhere specially in richer districts. Even the girl that serves me coffee at Starbucks is really quite pretty to my taste. This Starbucks is in posh sports plex. She wasn't selected for her brains I'll bet.
[QUOTE=Allover;1457570]I've been to Fuji Sauna and Millionaire Sauna which are not true sauna experiences. How much does a high end sauna like East, Rio, or 18 Spa cost in Macau? My guess is they are priced higher than BKK's priciest soapies. I will be in Macao next month. May try a real sauna for the first time.[/QUOTE]Allover,
Its nice to see you back on the boards. Can you explain what you mean by "not true sauna" experiences? I am not after a real Scandinavian "sauna" experience at all. Just like I don't go to a soapy massage place for a massage. I like bathing with a girl and sex. Massage is pretty ho-hum for me. Real sauna even less interest.
I read the Macau sauna experience involves getting a locker, sitting on lounge chairs, getting bathed a girl (not the girl you take to the room) , and then watching some type of show. The show involves all of the girls parading around the room for you to choose. I thought Rio and the others did this. When I went to Fuju and Millionaire, I told mamasan what nationality I wanted and she showed me the girl. If I approved it was off to the room and straight to sex with a little bit of action in the tub.
Not bad but not the full sauna experience I imagined. And then there is the red rope but I don't want to get too far off topic.
[QUOTE=Allover; 1457998]I read the Macau sauna experience involves getting a locker, sitting on lounge chairs, getting bathed a girl (not the girl you take to the room) , and then watching some type of show. The show involves all of the girls parading around the room for you to choose. I thought Rio and the others did this. When I went to Fuju and Millionaire, I told mamasan what nationality I wanted and she showed me the girl. If I approved it was off to the room and straight to sex with a little bit of action in the tub.
Not bad but not the full sauna experience I imagined. And then there is the red rope but I don't want to get too far off topic.[/QUOTE]To Allover,
The Macau sauna experience is the best in the world top international model include East European girl, I like East spa and sauna 18 the best very expensive but facility and service is much better than the Bangkok sauna by far, yes the red rope experience is a lost art most sauna in Shanghai and Zhu Hai don't offer any more.
Fast Eddie 48
[quote=natty bumpo; 1456727]macau: expensive-yes. high end-yes. go! you won't regret it. the place is loaded with beautiful chinese girls dying to give you a pse. the sauna action is better than bkk soapy action.
angeles city: dirty-yes. wild west-you funny, but yes. english spoken-yes. gfe-yes, yes, yes. cheap-yes. dangerous-you so funny. no, i never felt threatened there and i never allowed any one to con me. oh, you aren't kidding about the danger. ok, don't go! more pinays for me.
bangkok: ("pattaya. prettier, slimmer girls than the pi. cheap. easy. safe. good infrastructure. go & have the time of your life.") i won't argue with you here. i love bkk, but it is not exactly cheap anymore.
phnom penh: not for everybody. i like it. funky atmosphere, nice girls, good food, reasonable prices, plus a little culture thrown in.
singapore: not preferable to macau, although singapore is surprisingly very good. girls from all over the world are available in various orchard road bars. expensive by bkk standards. geylang is very great. the chinese and thai houses are best. hotels are expensive, but cheap accommodations are available in geylang. food is excellent.
jakarta: going first time in march. dirty, congested, and sprawling. i have heard great things about the night life. from my own experience, indonesian girls are great.[/quote]what is a pse, porn star experience, defined as in macau? i think people have different definitions for terms like pse and gfe. gfe in the pro catholic anti condom philippines is most likely to include bareback sex and a child, whether you want them or not. or le working with the girl to come knocking on your door later, saying you raped her. if you're lucky gfe will only mean she'll insist to stay with you all night, talk your ear off, sleep with you, propose marriage & basicly be a life sucking leetch.
in bangkok attractive young thai females are often willing to happily offer bls, dato, dfk, or whatever one might dream of or imagine. sometimes even a 1 or 2 hour bbbj. i'm not sure the pse would offer or could beat that. such tgs can be found walking the street for a mere 1000 baht st. in macau the price for the sauna experience is what. 10x that? and no option for takeout to the conveniences of one's hotel room?
in singapore i often see smoking hot p4p ladies working the streets or indoors, usually prc. they'd be in the top 10 percent in looks of those on the site you posted or hong kong 141. many of them are white, naturally large chested and have a service routine that includes body licking (cat bath) & boobs massage, among other things, which i had never experienced in bkk. not without asking for it, anyway. sg prc house girls go for 150 sg$ an hour, or roughly 120 usd.
i've read about chinese services in changping near hong kong. as i recall there are many places there where the ladies do a routine of many steps, perhaps 20 in all, with the customer. ever try that?
if the op is to check out macau, a mere one hour ferry ride to hong kong might be considered, time permitting. from there it is not far to changping, although i've heard cp is not recommended for those travelling alone or not adept in chinese.
if the op is to check out sg, indonesian pussyland in batam is only a 45 minute boat ride away. there is also malaysia such as kuala lumpur in less than an hour by air as a decent mongering destination.
[quote=pinkpearl; 1458835]what is a pse, porn star experience, defined as in macau? i think people have different definitions for terms like pse and gfe. gfe in the pro catholic anti condom philippines is most likely to include bareback sex and a child, whether you want them or not. or le working with the girl to come knocking on your door later, saying you raped her. if you're lucky gfe will only mean she'll insist to stay with you all night, talk your ear off, sleep with you, propose marriage & basicly be a life sucking leetch.
in bangkok attractive young thai females are often willing to happily offer bls, dato, dfk, or whatever one might dream of or imagine. sometimes even a 1 or 2 hour bbbj. i'm not sure the pse would offer or could beat that. such tgs can be found walking the street for a mere 1000 baht st. in macau the price for the sauna experience is what...[/quote]to pinkpearl,
macau got the best looking prc model working there from all over mainland china you also have wg from all over the world working at the sauna and escort, i have been mongering all over china and asia i know is very expensive but if money is no problem go to macau.
fast eddie 48
Can anybody recommend places with good Falang crowd, in BKK, patt and the islands. For some regular chit chat, bevy and dance.
Has any one scored freebies from these places. Would do with some change of flavour without.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1458835]In Bangkok attractive young Thai females are often willing to happily offer BLS, DATO, DFK, or whatever one might dream of or imagine. Sometimes even a 1 or 2 hour BBBJ. .[/QUOTE]I can imagine watching A Duke. North Carolina basketball game with a hot attractive thai girl sucking my cock from tip-off to the final buzzer.
If you say old ugly Pattaya beach road soi 6 girl can do as you describe- I can see it. LOL.
Thailand : Tourist Arrivals from 1998 till First Quarter 2013.
[url]http://www.thaiwebsites.com/tourism.asp[/url]
In recent years arrivals are going off the charts.
Even in years with the tsunami, sars, riots, and flooding tourism numbers hardly flinched.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1456727]Jakarta: Going first time in March. Dirty, congested, and sprawling. I have heard great things about the night life. From my own experience, Indonesian girls are great.[/QUOTE]Jakarta is a hidden gem. It isn't as dirty or congested as most other Asian cities and has separate bus-lanes, which makes getting about easy. There are lots of pretty girls available for very cheap prices. Hotel Classic was my favourite venue and Hotel Travel is worth a visit for a threesome. On top of that there are soapy venues, Stadium, the Blok M freelance bars and the Pen J brothels near the train station which are open during the afternoon and have some nice girls in the fishbowls for rock-bottom prices. You could also get a flight to Surubaya and explore the Dolly brothels. They're quite sleazy and you fuck the girls in their own bedrooms.
Sometimes even the worst lookers can give a very high level of satisfaction on services demanded. I went to an oily and there were only 2 WGs there as it was early in the day. Both of them were really low in my ranking, in terms of looks, ass size etc. But one girl was smiling a lot and was giving the vibes that she really wanted to try and give. So I remembered what many had said and went with her, even though she was no where near my spec.
We got in the room, and she went out for the water / Coke etc and soon came back with a smile. Maybe she must have seen me go up a few times with my favorite in that shop, so she didn't ask my name or "where you come from?" soon we were in our bare minimum and we were in shower, for the next 2 hours it was almost continuous molestation and She really tried hard to please, we must have done 4-5 positions and being the eager beaver. I did 4-5 positions which I had seen in the movies in high school and had fancied trying them, but had seemed too much to ask even a WG. It was really fun and she too seemed to enjoy it with a complete stranger. Guys never go with a set mindset, be open to experimentation with different types of girls. The rewards can be totally unexpected.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1460735]Thailand : Tourist Arrivals from 1998 till First Quarter 2013.
[url]http://www.thaiwebsites.com/tourism.asp[/url]
In recent years arrivals are going off the charts.
Even in years with the tsunami, sars, riots, and flooding tourism numbers hardly flinched.[/QUOTE]This I see. A lot of Asian tourist girls around Suk-Asoke area. Never seen that before.
[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1460718]I can imagine watching A Duke. North Carolina basketball game with a hot attractive thai girl sucking my cock from tip-off to the final buzzer.
If you say old ugly Pattaya beach road soi 6 girl can do as you describe- I can see it. LOL.[/QUOTE]The ugly would have to do it for rock bottom baht and have sexy Angelina Jolie lips that so many TGs have. Like this:
[url]http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users16/ronniehoffnung/default/big-fish-lips--large-prf-1235669923.jpg[/url]
When I get a BBBJ that's the part I look at 90 percent of the time anyway. The other 10 percent I could close my eyes and imagine a SYT sucking me dry & swallowing every drop.
Hi Lance,
I concur. I had a beautiful busty threesome in Jakarta which was one of the highlights of my monger life. Never been to Surubay, tho. What about Bali. Is it worthwhile? I have to go to a conference there in 2015.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1460795]Jakarta is a hidden gem. It isn't as dirty or congested as most other Asian cities and has separate bus-lanes, which makes getting about easy. There are lots of pretty girls available for very cheap prices. Hotel Classic was my favourite venue and Hotel Travel is worth a visit for a threesome. On top of that there are soapy venues, Stadium, the Blok M freelance bars and the Pen J brothels near the train station which are open during the afternoon and have some nice girls in the fishbowls for rock-bottom prices. You could also get a flight to Surubaya and explore the Dolly brothels. They're quite sleazy and you fuck the girls in their own bedrooms.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya; 1460712]Can anybody recommend places with good Falang crowd, in BKK, patt and the islands. For some regular chit chat, bevy and dance.
Has any one scored freebies from these places. Would do with some change of flavour without.[/QUOTE]Goo to the Full Moon party. But getting laid for free with them is up to you. They are not there for you to fuck them.
[QUOTE=D Cups;1461252]I concur. I had a beautiful busty threesome in Jakarta which was one of the highlights of my monger life. Never been to Surubay, tho. What about Bali. Is it worthwhile? I have to go to a conference there in 2015.[/QUOTE]We meet again.
Yeah, I think Indonesia is definitely the place to go for girls with larger tits. I went with a top-heavy girl in one of the Pen J brothels. I think you would have approved! Where did you have the threesome? Maribaya, Travel, Classic or somewhere else? I plan to go back some time soon.
I recommend Surubaya as a stopover for a few nights, no more. The Dolly brothels used to be the biggest in Asia but now it's just two streets full of wismas (shops with windows in which you can see the girls sat on couches). The talent pool is moderate but there are some lovely girls to be found. It's VERY cheap and I was the only tourist as far as I could tell so prices are very cheap. The others customers seemed to be Indonesian businessmen. Aside from the cheap prices, the most unusual thing about Surubaya is that you have sex with the girls in their own rooms, surrounded by their posters and cuddly toys.
If you're going to Bali with work, you'll find adequate pay-for-play. I stayed in Kuta which is a very nightclubby scene where freelancers can be found. I wasn't impressed with the overall standard but there were a few nice ones. However they charge high prices because they're aiming at the young drunken Aussie crowd who will pay over the odds. Your best bet is Sanur which is about 15 minutes away by taxi. It's a sleepy coastal town which has lots of X-houses (houses with X's on the side). I went in low-season I think and most of them didn't stock girls, they just had rooms and you could describe your type and a guy on a motorcycle would go and fetch a girl for you, like a pizza delivery service. There are three or four X-houses that definitely stock girls and there were some lovely ones. You pick them and fuck them on the premises, so it's just a half hour quickie. Short-time or longer can be negotiated I believe. The prices were very cheap. When I went I painstakingly scoured the town and produced a map of X-houses, I can email it to you if you like.
[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1461333]It's a sleepy coastal town which has lots of X-houses (houses with X's on the side). I went in low-season I think and most of them didn't stock girls, they just had rooms and you could describe your type and a guy on a motorcycle would go and fetch a girl for you, like a pizza delivery service. There are three or four X-houses that definitely stock girls and there were some lovely ones. You pick them and fuck them on the premises, so it's just a half hour quickie. Short-time or longer can be negotiated I believe. The prices were very cheap. When I went I painstakingly scoured the town and produced a map of X-houses, I can email it to you if you like.[/QUOTE]Didn't I read somewhere on the forum that the "X" simply means that house is an extension of the main house and has nothing to do with being a brothel?
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1461349]Didn't I read somewhere on the forum that the "X" simply means that house is
An extension of the main house and has nothing to do with being a brothel?[/QUOTE]What the 'X' itself means, I don't know, but there are plenty of Sanur Brothels without the X.
For example, Brothels 18, 89, 29, 505, 14a, etc.
Some of those have ST Rooms on the premises, others have one they work with a short distance away.
You'll also find Brothels with an X, such as 66x and a ST hotel (67x) next door.
Several of the ST Hotels have the X extension (10x. 11x. 18x, etc)
In those, you show up and they go and collect a Girl from a Brothel like 18/89/14a.
(which is why it is often better just to visit one of the Brothels with ST Rooms attached).
Below is a summary of ones I visited a few months back.
[QUOTE=Coconut Cream; 1436585]Promised to Barri, a summary of the Sanur visits in recent weeks.
* 1st, a summary of ST rooms either at ST Hotels or on site at Fishbowls *
* 2nd, a summary of the fishbowls visited this time.[/QUOTE]And here is a link to Barri's Bali Monger Map, marking all the Brothels and ST Hotels.
[QUOTE=Shuga;1400794][url]http://goo.gl/maps/wTj1w[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1461349]Didn't I read somewhere on the forum that the "X" simply means that house is an extension of the main house and has nothing to do with being a brothel?[/QUOTE]Hmm, not too sure about that. You might be right, certainly the buildings had a feel of being extensions but I spent three hours wandering around the Danau Poso area of Sanur to create my map, walking up the path of any building with an X painted outside. It was like a treasure hunt. Four of them had seated areas where there were girls and those that didn't had a few guys lingering next to a scooter who asked 'girls? ' when I walked in. On one night there was a power-cut and half of Sanur was plunged in to darkness, including the big X-houses. I didn't fancy taking a girl to a room without a fan, so I decided to go to one of the smaller X-houses nearer the beach where they had power and ordered a 'young pretty girl with big tits'. The scooter driver didn't disappoint. I must have visited about 20 X-houses and all of them were either brothels or short-time rooms where girls can be ordered.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1460735]Thailand : Tourist Arrivals from 1998 till First Quarter 2013.
[url]http://www.thaiwebsites.com/tourism.asp[/url]
In recent years arrivals are going off the charts.
Even in years with the tsunami, sars, riots, and flooding tourism numbers hardly flinched.[/QUOTE]This is total tourists including couples families, etc. So only a portion are sex tourists, and that proportion may well be dropping.
I think the breakdown of sex tourists has changed a lot. 15 years ago bars had a high proportion of Farangs. Now the numbers from Japan, Korea, Singapore, etc. Are right up, and Farangs in the minority.
Sars, bird flu, flooding, etc. Never have any effect of me at all.
Funny to see 700, 000 Australian visitors reported one year (population is probably < 30M). That is hard to believe. Maybe 100K sex tourists visited 7 times each in same year LOL. If you knew what Australian wives are like, you would not blame the men for seeking something different LOL.
I see relative to US$ baht is way down. Money is flowing out of emerging markets as the world anticipates the US Fed ending QE. Thailand's recent quarterly economic numbers are not good. No sign of a crisis like the 90's but this may intensify over the next few months. This is good for us I guess.
I am in Pattaya in lk empress hotel,
I usually have breakfast at the hotel. Many of the hotel mates had really great stunners, they also used to have breakfast together and later big goodbye to Thai girls. My question is can I approach them and ask them for fresh date. I am afraid that they may make scene.
Kindly let me know whether to approach such girls or not, if so how?
Thanks to you all.
Special mention to Kumbu, you rock god bless you.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch]I see relative to U.S. dollar the baht is way down. Money is flowing out of emerging markets as the world anticipates the US Fed ending QE. Thailand's recent quarterly economic numbers are not good. No sign of a crisis like the 90's but this may intensify over the next few months. This is good for us I guess.[/QUOTE]As I write this Bloomberg is quoting 32.04 baht to the dollar in the forex markets and my favorite survey of Bangkok money changers shows that those selling dollars can expect an average of 31.37 baht per dollar. That's very very close to a 52-week high. I don't follow any other currencies, but a quick and dirty Bloomberg search shows the euro is at a 52-week high as well, while the yen has fallen, albeit not to its 52-week low. Just for laughs I checked the ruble. Looks like it was trading roughly at parity with the baht at the start of this year, but since then it's lost two to four percent.
As for who benefits, clearly it's anybody who earns dollars and spends baht. The difference between 29 baht to the dollar and 32 is slightly more than 10 percent. If the trend continues through the end of the year, I'll see a nice little discount in the dollar cost of my Christmas holiday. Of course, those savings will be more than offset by the shellacking that I'm taking in my southeast Asian equity investments. Take a look at EIDO. OUCH!
The more important question, it seems to me, is the future of the Thai economy. The country has a substantial amount of foreign currency held in reserve, so I agree with Mr, Kausch that we probably won't see a repeat of the crisis that struck in the late 90s. That said, I read where consumer debt is very high and the government's program to buy rice at artificially-high prices is a costly disaster. Plus the situation elsewhere in the region is just as bad. So long term my prediction is that there will be fewer jobs in Thailand's export sector. This won't be good for the average person in the street and it may set up some argy-bargy between the current government and the powers behind the scenes.
Bunky
[QUOTE=Bunky; 1462172]As I write this Bloomberg is quoting 32. 04 baht to the dollar in the forex markets and my favorite survey of Bangkok money changers shows that those selling dollars can expect an average of 31. 37 baht per dollar.
I'll see a nice little discount in the dollar cost of my Christmas holiday. Of course, those savings will be more than offset by the shellacking that I'm taking in my southeast Asian equity investments. Take a look at EIDO. OUCH!
The more important question, it seems to me, is the future of the Thai economy.
Bunky[/QUOTE]Bunky,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Sorry to hear about your SE Asian equity investments. Be smart and keep a careful eye on them.
I know this is a sex forum, but currency exchange is relevant to mongers as our money fuels the P4P machine.
You are correct, Thailand is holding a fair amount of foreign currency reserves but I've been following Thailand's current account data. At the end of 2011 Thailand had a surplus of US$5. 32 billion; at the end of 2012 it had a deficit of US$2. 44 billion. In 2013 by the end of June it added another US$3. 08 billion to this deficit, with most of that in Q2. I'm eager to see what it is at the end of Q3.
Capital is pouring out of emerging markets, including Thailand, at an accelerating rate; and I recently read the smart guys expect this to continue for the next two years. But what do they know?
I've been around long enough to remember 1997 very well. I had friends from the USA who made out like bandits and Thai friends who got massacred by that little event.
The situation in Thailand may not be as dicey as Indonesia and Malaysia, but I think we can expect the value of the baht and Thailand's markets to continue to drop. Obviously good for mongers exchanging their currency for baht, but I'm a little concerned about guys who have their money in SE Asian equities. The problem is where do you put it? Don't want to cause any panic; just suggesting you be vigilant.
The broader issue is the general prosperity of Thai society. If this continues it is bound to have an affect on the average Thai. For example, I just read an article about the generous, disastrous as the article described it, rice subsidy. Bottom line, the article questioned how much longer it can continue.
Of course the consumer side of the P4P industry benefits if things get tougher for ordinary Thais. Hunger is a powerful aphrodisiac.
Paul
[QUOTE=Manliraj; 1462166]I am in Pattaya in lk empress hotel,
I usually have breakfast at the hotel. Many of the hotel mates had really great stunners, they also used to have breakfast together and later big goodbye to Thai girls. My question is can I approach them and ask them for fresh date. I am afraid that they may make scene.
Kindly let me know whether to approach such girls or not, if so how?
Thanks to you all.
Special mention to Kumbu, you rock god bless you.[/QUOTE]Sure, no harm in it. Just don't do it in front of the guy.
[QUOTE=Manliraj; 1462166]I am in Pattaya in lk empress hotel, I usually have breakfast at the hotel. Many of the hotel mates had really great stunners, they also used to have breakfast together and later big goodbye to Thai girls. My question is can I approach them and ask them for fresh date. Kindly let me know whether to approach such girls or not, if so how?[/QUOTE]You can do anything you want, but in my personal opinion it is low class to hit on other punters' girls while they are still out with them.
Your thinking like this seems to indicate that your mind is still in sexual prison back home, wherever that is, and that there is a shortage of good looking girls to go around in Thailand. Holy Buddha, Manliraj, there are more good looking, sexy, friendly girls in BKK and Pattaya than you can shag in 5 to 10 years going at it 2 or 3 girls per day. So RTFF, map your strategy of where you want to go for the day or evening hunt, then go out and get your own girls! The thrill of the hunt is part of the game. When I am in Thailand, it is immediately apparent to me that I can't possibly shag all the sexy Thai girls I would like to shag. It's like being at the Lord Jim's lunch buffet at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel in BKK. They ain't ever going to run out of tasty food and I can't possible eat everything on the buffet so I have to make my selections carefully. Sometimes I pick something that is not great and I leave it on my plate and go back for something better. It is pointless to give a shit about what other patrons have on their plate.
Same Same with Thai girls. Unfortunately, I am not 18 any longer. I presume your are not either. I can't shag 5 girls a night like I could back then. So I have to ration my vital personal fluids and be very selective with the girls I choose to hook up with during my trip. I always end up leaving some really nice girls for next time or never. There is only so much shagging I can do 24 hours per day times 7 days per week times 6 weeks per visit. So get with it, Manliraj. You are in Thailand now. You are a man. Be free, have a great time, and don't think about other punters and their honeys. Gather your own sweetness. It is much more satisfying that way.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1462243]You can do anything you want, but in my personal opinion it is low class to hit on other punters' girls while they are still out with them.
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So get with it, Manliraj. You are in Thailand now. You are a man. Be free, have a great time, and don't think about other punters and their honeys. Gather your own sweetness. It is much more satisfying that way.[/QUOTE]We can pick a girl, shagging and discharging the load, anytime in anyway. But sometimes a thrill from hunting of a suitable girl makes our days and being a memorable for long time.
Once in a nightclub in Tashkant on my departing time, I had seen two masculine guys standing face to face keeping a Police man in middle. Why? Because, they were fighting for a girl inside the club. May be one of them got the girl or may be not. But sure it's a thrill for them in their way if someone wins.
Years before I was walking through the Soi 13/2, Pattaya; certainly a massage girl blocked my way. Trying to invite me inside of her place for business. She got zero English, but with her all expressions in face and wide smile dived straight inside me. That I fall on her with all of mine and it was ended up with taking her in my room for 6 hrs. That blind jump discovered a thrilling day; still it is amazing for me.
Hunting our girl sometimes is an extra thrill, doesn't it? Why not we can try in our own way?
[QUOTE=Manliraj; 1462166]I am in Pattaya in lk empress hotel,
I usually have breakfast at the hotel. Many of the hotel mates had really great stunners, they also used to have breakfast together and later big goodbye to Thai girls. My question is can I approach them and ask them for fresh date. I am afraid that they may make scene.
Kindly let me know whether to approach such girls or not, if so how?
Thanks to you all.
Special mention to Kumbu, you rock god bless you.[/QUOTE]Well well in theory nothing wrong in doing it this way but would you not prefer to atleast let the sperm from the recent punter to dry off before you hit on the girl as she is about to leave LK Empress (by the way also my favorite hotel for my short Pattaya visits)? Would be a hazzle if punters were running around the hotel and knocking doors asking "are you done now it is my turn". Lets not go there.
[QUOTE=Mua Tur;1462289]We can pick a girl, shagging and discharging the load, anytime in anyway. But sometimes a thrill from hunting of a suitable girl makes our days and being a memorable for long time.[/QUOTE]What is up with these guys always wanting a girl from someone else? Go out and find your own. It's not like they are in short supply.
[QUOTE=Manliraj; 1462166]I am in Pattaya in lk empress hotel,
I usually have breakfast at the hotel. Many of the hotel mates had really great stunners, they also used to have breakfast together and later big goodbye to Thai girls. My question is can I approach them and ask them for fresh date. I am afraid that they may make scene.
Kindly let me know whether to approach such girls or not, if so how?[/QUOTE]If they've said their goodbyes, the girl is now free to do whatever she wants to so you can approach her. She will either accept or reject you, not sure why she would want to make a scene. She should see this as an opportunity to make more money. Everyone is different so its just a matter of how YOU want to pick up girls.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1462377]What is up with these guys always wanting a girl from someone else? Go out and find your own. It's not like they are in short supply.[/QUOTE]There have psychological and logical ground, to do like this. Psychologically, the girls with other men are always charming for us. Even the girl with me is also adorable for someone else too. Logically it is time saving and near to believable that, it has been chosen amongst the best. Moreover may be not knowing about the resources too.
Certainly there never been short supply for such places; if the service of the desired girl is available.
[quote]=Natty Bumpo;
Your thinking like this seems to indicate that your mind is still in sexual prison back home.[/quote]Yes I am literally in sexual prison back home. Thank you very much for the wonderful motivational reply. I am gratefulto you all for showing me
Correct path, you all are great guides and teachers and that is what makes my Thailand trips memorable and juicy. I was missing Luvpuss, even he is back.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch]At the end of 2011 Thailand had a current account surplus of USD $5.32 billion; at the end of 2012 it had a deficit of $2.44 billion. In 2013 by the end of June it added another $3.08 billion to this deficit, with most of that in Q2. I'm eager to see what it is at the end of Q3. Capital is pouring out of emerging markets, including Thailand, at an accelerating rate.[/QUOTE]The inflows were mostly hot money, frantically chasing some kind of return in a world where seemingly everybody was sucking wind. And, I think, investors fighting the last war and making the classic mistake of thinking past performance promised future success.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch]The situation in Thailand may not be as dicey as Indonesia and Malaysia, but I think we can expect the value of the baht and Thailand's markets to continue to drop. Obviously good for mongers exchanging their currency for baht, but I'm a little concerned about guys who have their money in SE Asian equities. The problem is where do you put it? Don't want to cause any panic; just suggesting you be vigilant.[/QUOTE]Anybody who wants to invest in this region should allocate only risk capital, which in any sane portfolio is only a tiny fraction of the overall holdings. I think it's still early days in terms of the selling, but eventually equity prices in this part of the world will drop to the point where valuation is compelling. If I was a younger man, with decades of investing ahead of me, I'd be paying attention here. The long-term story is still positive: good demographics, more transparency, etc.
This exchange-traded fund covers most of the ASEAN markets, which makes it easy for even retail investors to buy a broad basket of companies:
[url]http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/ASEA:US[/url]
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch]The broader issue is the general prosperity of Thai society. Of course the consumer side of the P4P industry benefits if things get tougher for ordinary Thais. Hunger is a powerful aphrodisiac.[/QUOTE]Sad to say that's always been the case in the Kingdom. Difficulties that make it harder for ordinary Thais to make a living, whether they are international capital flows, natural disasters or government policies, tend to encourage women to become sex workers. I think those decisions lag the events that drive them. So it will probably take awhile before we see the effects at ground level. Meanwhile I'm sure the gents who read this will diligently search for the ground truth!
Bunky
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1462377]What is up with these guys always wanting a girl from someone else? Go out and find your own. It's not like they are in short supply.[/QUOTE]Agree with you. I don't want a freshly fucked girl to be my next one. It turns me off, but then some people have different tastes.
[QUOTE=Manliraj;1462166]I am in Pattaya in lk empress hotel, I usually have breakfast at the hotel. Many of the hotel mates had really great stunners, they also used to have breakfast together and later big goodbye to Thai girls. My question is can I approach them and ask them for fresh date.[/QUOTE]Off course you can, make your pick, follow them discretely when they leave before they get on to their bike taxi. If she is hooked for a multiple days you will surely get a no. From your post, it appears you went the night empty handed. Perhaps you need more guidance on how to score in the night.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1461286]Goo to the Full Moon party. But getting laid for free with them is up to you. They are not there for you to fuck them.[/QUOTE]So grateful for your general knowledge, where do you get this stuff. Wikipedia?
Someone told me about this free app so I tried it and am sharing it with the board. The app is "Inspire eMagazine" and they have some cool stuff on it for both Pattaya and Bangkok such as upcoming events, discounts, jobs and more. For example, under events they're advertising both Tony Bennett (for old timers) and Justin Bieber (old timers can take their young GFs) for events in Bangkok next month and there was a bikini party in Pattaya, Soi 6, last night. For those who don't know how to use apps they also have a website and before anyone ask, I have nothing to do with them. I am only posting this because I found some of the information useful and other expats may also or you may not.
[url]http://www.inspire-emagazine.com/[/url]
Was killing a lazy Saturday at home, and found this very interesting paragraph on the Stickman Blog dating back to 2010 which I have quoted as it is.
"Of course the Japanese have long had their own bar area, Soi Thaniya, just off Silom Road. Many of those venues discourage Westerners from entering, as much because the way the Japanese like to party is different to what Westerners are used to as anything else. It is also said that Japanese men will boycott a girl if they know that she goes with white guys although whether this is true or not I really don't know."
Quite an interesting read with some great pics. The notable point being Japanese men boycotting girls that go with white men. Could this be responsible for the door policy at some of the go go's.
Have a look:
[url]http://www.stickmanweekly.com/StickmanBangkokWeeklyColumn2010/Pattaya-Nightlife-Change.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya; 1466120.
Have a look:
[url]http://www.stickmanweekly.com/StickmanBangkokWeeklyColumn2010/Pattaya-Nightlife-Change.htm[/url][/QUOTE]"The pace of change has been dramatic, and the Pattaya we know is fast disappearing. Today, naughty boys are very much a small minority of visitors to the city. The demographic has changed." This is from an interesting article dated 23/06/2013.
[QUOTE=Run Mann; 1465942].
[url]http://www.inspire-emagazine.com/[/url][/QUOTE]Pretty cool site. Needs more work but I am sure they are working on it.
[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1466181]"The pace of change has been dramatic, and the Pattaya we know is fast disappearing. Today, naughty boys are very much a small minority of visitors to the city. The demographic has changed." This is from an interesting article dated 23/06/2013.[/QUOTE]The influx of Russian families, many of them mid 20's to mid 30's men and women, along with the Russian criminal element (same age group. Only typically better dressed and driving better cars) kind of make the 'traditional' Pattaya expat look (and likely feel) like yesterday's has beens. They are still here, but probably staying home in their darkside US$50k "homes" a lot more.
[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya;1466120]The notable point being Japanese men boycotting girls that go with white men. Could this be responsible for the door policy at some of the go go's.[/QUOTE]No and this is direct from one of the club hawkers. The door policy is simply one of economics. Farang have a reputation of being cheap charlies, buying and nursing a drink for a long time. Etc. The Japanese have the money to spend and do. From personal experience there is, at least, one club (Super Queen) that may entertain farang given proper etiquette and money. The mamasan was nice enough to give me a tour a couple of years back but I didn't have the funds to actually try the place at the time.
this (apparent) 2009 documentary definitely sets a new low in terms of exploitation under the pretense of uncovering alleged exploitation. note the very directed attack on western males (korean, japanese, and chinese "tourists" completely ignored") and note the astonishing claim that street workers are either hiv positive and / or ****, and the implied murder at the end. even by ngo funded standards, this sets a new low.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpr7jxbmg24[/url]
[quote=western787; 1466952]this (apparent) 2009 documentary definitely sets a new low in terms of exploitation under the pretense of uncovering alleged exploitation. note the very directed attack on western males (korean, japanese, and chinese "tourists" completely ignored") and note the astonishing claim that street workers are either hiv positive and / or ****, and the implied murder at the end. even by ngo funded standards, this sets a new low.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpr7jxbmg24[/url][/quote]it's an ngo. if they knew how to do accurate market research and produce a professional marketing piece they'd be running a for profit business offering a product or service people wanted and making money rather than having to beg for money from agencies that support "humanitarian endeavors."
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1467157]It's an NGO. If they knew how to do accurate market research and produce a professional marketing piece they'd be running a for profit business offering a product or service people wanted and making money rather than having to beg for money from agencies that support "humanitarian endeavors."[/QUOTE]They are good in begging for government money. That says all in theit NGO definition. They keep it as that way they are not subject to the auditing government agencies have to go through. Often there are a lot of political connections, as the politician can exercise power and fund control.
I feel that the donations are ice on the cake.
As for the "non profit", any company spending all their budget and money is "no profit", LOL.
They are also very proactive in keeping certain status quo as it is fuel for their activities.
There is a bit of generalisation in all this, of course, but I am pretty sure I am not far from reality.
[quote=western787; 1466952]this (apparent) 2009 documentary definitely sets a new low in terms of exploitation under the pretense of uncovering alleged exploitation. note the very directed attack on western males (korean, japanese, and chinese "tourists" completely ignored") and note the astonishing claim that street workers are either hiv positive and / or ****, and the implied murder at the end. even by ngo funded standards, this sets a new low.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpr7jxbmg24[/url][/quote]maybe i told this story here already, maybe it was on another forum. sorry if i repeat here.
my thai gf is a university researcher, now doing her phd. during her bachelor studies she participated in a large study about the south-east asian sex industry. this research was funded by an ngo and coordinated by an italian university. i don't think it will be far from the truth to see some links to catholic "do gooder" organizations. anyhow, my gf interviewed many wgs in thailand (bkk, pattaya, phuket). the vast majority of these wgs entirely voluntary entered their profession and their main drive was to get a nice income at not too much effort. most were from a poor background and wished to support their families. for most of them it is / was a temporary solution. a small minority (mainly students and such) joined the game for personal reasons to augment their income and live a more luxurious life. my thai gf could not find [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] or under-age girls networks. that doesn't mean there aren't any, only that they must be well hidden and in the overall scheme of things of an extremely limited size.
it goes without saying that this was not the message the ngo wanted to hear and the report was never published: perhaps only the vatican's secret archives have a copy. ;)
[quote=western787; 1466952]this (apparent) 2009 documentary definitely sets a new low in terms of exploitation under the pretense of uncovering alleged exploitation. note the very directed attack on western males (korean, japanese, and chinese "tourists" completely ignored") and note the astonishing claim that street workers are either hiv positive and / or ****, and the implied murder at the end. even by ngo funded standards, this sets a new low.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpr7jxbmg24[/url][/quote]the documentary seems to have been made in 2002. so, it's 10 years out of date. it's also full of shit, but that's not the point. what struck me was at the beginning when the narrator said there were no jobs for these poor young girls, forcing them into prostitution.
here's an interesting site:
[url]http://www.tradingeconomics.com/thailand/unemployment-rate[/url]
note the unemployment rate in june was 0. 55% it's been dropping like a rock for years, hence the shortage of girls in the bars. legitimate work has been an option for quite a while now.
i notice that even at the highest, in 2001, it was about 5. 75. that's a number that would give obama a hard-on, and it's their worst in over a decade.
Alcohol drinkers take note:
[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/business/Excise-on-alcohol-goes-up-today-30214108.html[/url]
i watch the video since i had sometime this morning but i don't think it is b. s. even if it is made in 2002? this story and stories like it today still goes on the big difference is like many things in thailand it is being whitewashed by the government. they put out only what they what you to hear and know.
i've sat thru the years with thais bargirls and former bargirls who sit around drinking and telling me the very same thing i saw in this video. i know several girls in the past in pattaya that have gone into bkk, so their family and friends wouldn't know or felt that beach road the opportunities weren't there or as good as bkk for the money? it seem in listening to them that although they had aids, they were working and getting back at farangs who they know gave them the aids, it was like who cares about them they certainly don't care about us. the thing that rings in my ear today is that " all farangs that come here treat us like dogs!"
as for the education in this country if they aren't attending a accredited international school, the government schools are no more than a baby sitting institution for their poor population. a student out of these schools come out with barely a kindergarden level english and can't even add or substract after 12 years without a calculator. today they leave at 15 years old which is middle school level unless you have money they leave without any future.
that being said regardless of the unemployment rate that there is no unemployment below the surface this is what i see in the local level like pattaya. you go to 7/11, lotus, burgerking, big c or big c, bangkok / pattaya hospital, top choeron, all the large franchises and observe do you see any old people? they stock these places with young good looking girls and people do you see any old people? or someone for example that is in their 30's.
this country discriminates not ony against us but their own people! unless you are lucky to work for the government there is no future for their poor people. this government like many give them enough so they don't *****. i was told once by a royal thai police in bkk over a drink " this country is a democracy but thai people don't know it " sure the education is better and sure it is got to have something to do with influx of girls working the bar scene but to me where are the people who are 30 plus working other than with the government?
just like the drugs being produced up in the golden triangle with their own army the government knows what is going on they are a big part of it like the video indicate. there are lots of human trafficing and **** stuff going on but no phd person or any person especially a thai is going to dig into this because the realility is they are digging their own grave. saying they did could not find any is just a polite way of saying they " can't ".
to many of you the stats might suggest the factory of sex workers have slowed and that might account for people saying not too many stunners and such and such but the flow continues however small. but in my life time there will still be a flow of girls as long as the same old same old mentalilty of men are still running this country regardless of having a women pm in the forefront. i read a column recently in the bangkok post written by a thai until the education system get serious and women demand more from their men the influx will continue which we all here benefit. in my experience what thai women don't understand based on their own country that women are view as second class (since the men can have more than one wife) the real same is their own country is the one that treat them like dogs?
just my 2 cents living with the thais many which today surround me like the girl in the video, i know several today who work as cashiers and such but the right price they will go with the customers and i didn't have to watch the end of the video to know she went with customer. and even today there are thousand of farangs like this guy in the video. the years have changed but regardless of the all the number it really hasn't changed except that the price for everything is going up including the drinks?
just my 2 cents of generalization!
lbm
[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1467735]The documentary seems to have been made in 2002. So, it's 10 years out of date. It's also full of shit, but that's not the point. What struck me was at the beginning when the narrator said there were no jobs for these poor young girls, forcing them into prostitution.
Here's an interesting site:
[url]http://www.tradingeconomics.com/thailand/unemployment-rate[/url]
Note the unemployment rate in June was 0. 55% It's been dropping like a rock for years, hence the shortage of girls in the bars. Legitimate work has been an option for quite a while now.
I notice that even at the highest, in 2001, it was about 5. 75. That's a number that would give Obama a hard-on, and it's their worst in over a decade.[/QUOTE]It's dropping largely because tourists and sex tourist arrivals are going through the roof, thereby employing many more people in the tourism related businesses, including bars, gogos, MPs, etc.
If you noticed a shortage of girls in some bars, they were probably out doing a ST. With tourist arrivals increasing so dramaticly in the last 2 decades, there have no doubt been many new sex venues open up.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1467784]It seem in listening to them that although they had AIDS, they were working and getting back at Farangs who they know gave them the AIDS, it was like who cares about them they certainly don't care about us.[/QUOTE]The vast majority of Thai working girls are serious Buddhists, which means they don't believe in harming another life. Of course illicit drug & alcohol abuse over years, plus other issues, can screw up their heads & make some of them abnormal & dangerous. Like the recent post in the BKK thread of a gogo girl trashing a guys room.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1467784]The thing that rings in my ear today is that " All Farangs that come here treat us like Dogs!"[/QUOTE]I doubt many Thai P4P ladies have that attitude, which is nonsense. Like working girls in any country they encounter good & bad clients, with a very large majority being decent, and some being a spectacular boy friend experience for them, besides a handy ATM & potential husband.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1467784]That being said regardless of the unemployment rate that there is no unemployment Below the surface this is what I see in the local level like Pattaya. You go to 7/11, Lotus, BurgerKing, Big C or Big C, Bangkok / Pattaya Hospital, Top Choeron, all the large franchises and observe DO YOU SEE ANY OLD PEOPLE? They stock these places with young good looking girls and people DO YOU SEE ANY OLD PEOPLE? Or someone for example that is in their 30's.
Sure the education is better and sure it is got to have something to do with influx of girls working the bar scene but to me where are the people who are 30 plus working other than with the government?[/QUOTE]Burger King isn't the place to look for old aged employees, either in LOS or LA. You'll see the odd one, probably in management. And then there's the ones you don't see, in upper management & owners. I see old Thai working people all over the place everyday. If one doesn't live in at Golden Arches, they should too.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1467735]Note the unemployment rate in June was 0. 55% It's been dropping like a rock for years, hence the shortage of girls in the bars. Legitimate work has been an option for quite a while now.[/QUOTE]I disagree somewhat. Yes, the unemployment is low but then how many people are working for near starvation wages? You go into a restaurant and have 5 people wait on you, or the requirement of needing x number of Thai workers for every farang. Many jobs are bs. If Thailand ever decided to become even remotely efficient in terms of business, unemployment would skyrocket.
Tenuous link to sex in Thailand butI am told that the line from Bangkok to Chiang Mai may be under repair in November. Any information?
How do I get from mPs in Bangkok to those in Chiang Mai?
[QUOTE=Stevebny;1467832]I disagree somewhat. Yes, the unemployment is low but then how many people are working for near starvation wages? You go into a restaurant and have 5 people wait on you, or the requirement of needing x number of Thai workers for every farang. Many jobs are bs. If Thailand ever decided to become even remotely efficient in terms of business, unemployment would skyrocket.[/QUOTE]In Thailand, the unemployment rate measures the number of people actively looking for a job as a percentage of the labour force.
Now go to the farming areas of Thailand and tell me how they count, or do they not count the hill tribe people. Just because a guy or old (or young) lady sit on the stairs going to a BTS stop and holds out a cup for baht. Is she / he's what? Employed or just not "actively looking for a job"?
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1467735]Note the unemployment rate in June was 0. 55% It's been dropping like a rock for years, hence the shortage of girls in the bars. Legitimate work has been an option for quite a while now.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Stevebny;1467832]I disagree somewhat. Yes, the unemployment is low but then how many people are working for near starvation wages? You go into a restaurant and have 5 people wait on you, or the requirement of needing x number of Thai workers for every farang. Many jobs are bs. If Thailand ever decided to become even remotely efficient in terms of business, unemployment would skyrocket.[/QUOTE]I think you're both right, except I would not call the wages starvation wages. I don't see large number of homeless people in Bangkok, and the vast majority of people look reasonably well fed. I haven't spent enough time in other parts of the country to have a first hand opinion about the country as a whole.
I don't think the Thai economy will ever become efficient. The country is insulated enough and the economy centrally controlled to such a degree that there will always be enough menial, low paying jobs to support a minimal standard of living. Conflicts between the Red and Yellow Shirts aside, the Thai government knows it needs to make sure food prices are low enough and wages are sufficient to enable people to eat, and to the extent the economy permits, for people to have minimal housing and and a few cheap consumer goods.
I think the dwindling numbers of SW in Bangkok is attributable to two things: (1) the low unemployment rate and (2) the declining birth rates. There probably is a drop in the percentage of unskilled young women looking for "the easy money," but there are also fewer young women. While some women find prostitution so repugnant they will work menial jobs for minimal wages, there always have been and always will be some woman who find the wages of sin too attractive.
In North America and Western Europe there are attractive, well educated women who could have professional careers who opt to work as high end escorts. The money and life style are too attractive for them to pass up. College women at schools in large cities work in strip clubs and as part time hookers to support their education. A few of these women go on to become full time escorts because they can make more money as escorts than at the types of jobs they can get with their liberal arts bachelors degree. Similarly, we all know Bangkok is filled with attractive young Thai women who are university students, clerks and office workers who supplement their income turning tricks part time. I know one high end escort in Bangkok who sells real estate by day, another who was a primary school teacher who now makes very, very good money as a full time escort.
We also know in addition to the supple of SW decreasing the fees SW charge are increasing. That's just supply and demand; but as the supply-demand curve drives up wages prostitution will become more attractive and an equilibrium will be maintained. My recollection is there were fewer mongers and more good looking young SW in Bangkok 8 years ago, and they were much cheaper. Still, there were plenty of SW to meet the demand on my last visit in December 2012.
One additional factor is the relative tolerant attitude Thais have toward women who become prostitutes. For year I've had many conversations about this topic with middle class and wealthy, well educated Thais who have some sympathy for young Thai woman working as prostitutes. I also don't believe the common Thais back in the village are unaware of why young women from their village go to Bangkok. I'm convinced prostitution in Thailand just does not have the severe social stigma found in some other countries. I'm not saying it is "acceptable," but I don't believe the women who become prostitutes are made to be complete social outcasts. The girls in the gogs and MPs seem to form their own little subculture, but I think this is voluntary and not forced on them in the same way it is in less tolerant countries. For example the other ladies in the office know why a few of the women have more money and nicer clothes than they do. They may not be willing to become semipros, but at the same time they don't ostracize these co-workers.
As long as public education is poor, most jobs are low skill, attitudes towards prostitution are tolerant and sufficient numbers of mongers from countries with well developed economies visit there will be a sufficient supply of SW in Bangkok. And I don't see any of these things changing anytime soon.
[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1467856]Tenuous link to sex in Thailand butI am told that the line from Bangkok to Chiang Mai may be under repair in November. Any information?
How do I get from mPs in Bangkok to those in Chiang Mai?[/QUOTE]Take the bus or fly!
LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1467905]Take the bus or fly!
LBM[/QUOTE]You forgot, in your post, m / see, car, taxi and walking.
If, in your rush to comment, you had paused and READ my post I asked for information about Thai Railways November maintenance programme and only facetiously asked about alternatives to maintain that the post had legitimacy on a sex board. No doubt had I not done so senior members who have nothing better to do than criticise the post of newer members would have objected.
Perhaps you might find time to comment on the relative merits of flying nd bus travel. Now that would be a useful way to spend your time.
I agree with nearly all of P. K. Opinions.
I can't speak for the middle class, what I can speak is the low class and poor. Yes there aren't many homeless you don't see them especially in Pattaya, the one's you see usually have so mental problem or destroy by drugs. Another reason is the Thai culture or Asian culture they take care of their own. Why you think the girls working are always sending money home? In a particular situation I question a women enough is enough, you are a women you have several older brothers one in particular is doing well and corrupt official why are you mad and upset at your farang husband for not giving you money to help finish your mother house. He already from what you tell me gave 95% why be mad at him. What the hell are your older brothers and sister doing we are talking 5% and you are willing to destroy your marriage over that?
It is easy to make enough money to get by go to the darkside of town in Pattaya, you will see areas line with tin can shacks with hardworking Thais preparing food to sell at the market. No education and many with educations but no future so the best thing and can do is cook. Find a market, pay 200 baht for the stand, some with key money like 6. 000 a year for the right to the location and hope to make gross 500 baht a day or night, that might get them 10, 000 a month. These types of work all through Pattaya pay no taxes at all and if it is a place like a pool hall you pay money for the cops each month the more illegal the business and more you make the more you pay. Take that gross and find a room for 1500/2000 baht a day excluding utilities and living in them 5 family members. I know because I rent to several families like this currently which is very common everywhere they survive on a 150 to 200 baht a day that includes food and kids lunch money so when they miss their rent payment I let it go but not the drunk ass Thai man I had who drank 20 plus Leo a month and tell me he has no money while his kid starved to death. I knew in time he would seek off in the middle of the night and he did.
Like the guy said lots of nice stats but it doesn't show what Thailand is all about? What they want you to see is the Land of Smiles? Bring the tourist in put them in the Vans and Buses and when they flip over and crash they cover it up just like the employment issue.
Just another point of view!
[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1467906]You forgot, in your post, m / see, car, taxi and walking.
If, in your rush to comment, you had paused and READ my post I asked for information about Thai Railways November maintenance programme and only facetiously asked about alternatives to maintain that the post had legitimacy on a sex board. No doubt had I not done so senior members who have nothing better to do than criticise the post of newer members would have objected.
Perhaps you might find time to comment on the relative merits of flying nd bus travel. Now that would be a useful way to spend your time.[/QUOTE]Maybe you ought to ease up and cool your jets. You ask a question does one have to go back or further back to read all the of your post. I answer for you and if the answer was stupid to you maybe it was because your question was? Ever think about that! To your questions car, taxi and walking would take too long!
If you want to rush back don't and my comments had nothing to do with this being a sex board or not. This isn't a situation that you need to reply to me or another like you did regarding the bashing of Indians unless you are still mad about that!
What is useful to me and what I do with my time is my business as it is of yours, stick to the topic instead of coming back bashing other and making something a mountain out of a mole hill because you don't like the answer you hear! You seem to know everything Mr. Sensitive why ask another stupid question and get another rush reply if you don't know anything about relative merits of flying and bus travel stop wasting my time and GOOGLE it!
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1467812]The vast majority of Thai working girls are serious Buddhists, which means they don't believe in harming another life. Of course illicit drug & alcohol abuse over years, [b]plus other issues[/b], can screw up their heads & make some of them abnormal & dangerous.[/QUOTE]Uhhh. Couldn't this be said for people in general and has nothing to do with religion or being a Thai working girl? On the whole humans value life, but everyday in every country, people kill people.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1467863]there always have been and always will be some woman who find the wages of sin too attractive.[/QUOTE]I nominate this for quote of the year.[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1467863]We also know in addition to the supple of SW decreasing the fees SW charge are increasing. That's just supply and demand; but as the supply-demand curve drives up wages prostitution will become more attractive and an equilibrium will be maintained. My recollection is there were fewer mongers and more good looking young SW in Bangkok 8 years ago, and they were much cheaper. Still, there were plenty of SW to meet the demand on my last visit in December 2012.[/QUOTE]A guy who knows something about economics and observes it in action.[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1467863]One additional factor is the relative tolerant attitude Thais have toward women who become prostitutes. For year I've had many conversations about this topic with middle class and wealthy, well educated Thais who have some sympathy for young Thai woman working as prostitutes. I also don't believe the common Thais back in the village are unaware of why young women from their village go to Bangkok. I'm convinced prostitution in Thailand just does not have the severe social stigma found in some other countries. I'm not saying it is "acceptable," but I don't believe the women who become prostitutes are made to be complete social outcasts. The girls in the gogs and MPs seem to form their own little subculture, but I think this is voluntary and not forced on them in the same way it is in less tolerant countries. For example the other ladies in the office know why a few of the women have more money and nicer clothes than they do. They may not be willing to become semipros, but at the same time they don't ostracize these co-workers.[/QUOTE]It's good to see someone who is actually learning something about Thailand and is not there just to stick his dick into a hole.
[QUOTE=Stevebny;1467832]I disagree somewhat. Yes, the unemployment is low but then how many people are working for near starvation wages? You go into a restaurant and have 5 people wait on you, or the requirement of needing x number of Thai workers for every farang. Many jobs are bs. If Thailand ever decided to become even remotely efficient in terms of business, unemployment would skyrocket.[/QUOTE]Have you ever been to a department store in the Philippines? I went to SM to buy a plain t-shirt. There is a worker for each brand of t-shirt. So say you are looking at Brand A, the Brand A worker will have to help you. But if you go to the next rack over to look at Brand B, then the Brand A worker will fall off and the Brand B worker will have to help you. Whichever shirt you choose, that worker will take your item all the way across the store to the register and give it to one person who will ring it up and take your money. That person will give it to the person next to them along with the receipt and they will put it into a bag and staple it before handing it to you.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1467963]It's good to see someone who is actually learning something about Thailand and is not there just to stick his dick into a hole.[/QUOTE]Thank you the compliment; however, one of the things that surprised me when I first started reading the Thailand threads on this forum is how much I was able to learn about Thailand and the Thais beyond the sex industry. I think there are a number of you guys who have broad and deep knowledge of Thailand. As I've mentioned in the past, thanks guys.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1467967]Have you ever been to a department store in the Philippines? I went to SM to buy a plain t-shirt. There is a worker for each brand of t-shirt. So say you are looking at Brand A, the Brand A worker will have to help you. But if you go to the next rack over to look at Brand B, then the Brand A worker will fall off and the Brand B worker will have to help you. Whichever shirt you choose, that worker will take your item all the way across the store to the register and give it to one person who will ring it up and take your money. That person will give it to the person next to them along with the receipt and they will put it into a bag and staple it before handing it to you.[/QUOTE]Excellent point. I notice this in the nicer department stores in Bangkok as well. Perhaps not to the same degree as in the Philippines but there are many more clerks in Bangkok department stores than in department stores in developed countries. The people who control the economy tolerate inefficiency because it gives people a little income and something to do. You don't want too many hungry, ornery people sitting around with nothing to do. They might start talking and get some dangerous ideas in their heads.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1467981]Thank you the compliment; however, one of the things that surprised me when I first started reading the Thailand threads on this forum is how much I was able to learn about Thailand and the Thais beyond the sex industry. I think there are a number of you guys who have broad and deep knowledge of Thailand. As I've mentioned in the past, thanks guys.[/QUOTE]I have too many friends who have visited countless number of times and none of those mfs has yet to learn how to say hello in Thai.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1467967]Have you ever been to a department store in the Philippines? I went to SM to buy a plain t-shirt. There is a worker for each brand of t-shirt. So say you are looking at Brand A, the Brand A worker will have to help you. But if you go to the next rack over to look at Brand B, then the Brand A worker will fall off and the Brand B worker will have to help you. Whichever shirt you choose, that worker will take your item all the way across the store to the register and give it to one person who will ring it up and take your money. That person will give it to the person next to them along with the receipt and they will put it into a bag and staple it before handing it to you.[/QUOTE]
Just to be clear, department stores 'lease / rent' their space to brand owners. So each brand has their own sales / merchandiser / clerk working on commission basis to provide buyers with service. Department store collects combination of monthly rent plus profit margin for leasing the space, usually 30++% of selling price. Sales girls usually can earn up to another 10% commission on products.
This arrangement is the norm in Asia. In the US, the closest model is the cosmetic and / or fragrance counters.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1467915]Maybe you ought to ease up and cool your jets. You ask a question does one have to go back or further back to read all the of your post. I answer for you and if the answer was stupid to you maybe it was because your question was? Ever think about that! To your questions car, taxi and walking would take too long!
If you want to rush back don't and my comments had nothing to do with this being a sex board or not. This isn't a situation that you need to reply to me or another like you did regarding the bashing of Indians unless you are still mad about that!
What is useful to me and what I do with my time is my business as it is of yours, stick to the topic instead of coming back bashing other and making something a mountain out of a mole hill because you don't like the answer you hear! You seem to know everything Mr. Sensitive why ask another stupid question and get another rush reply if you don't know anything about relative merits of flying and bus travel stop wasting my time and GOOGLE it![/QUOTE]In the simplest possible terms I posted a question asking for information about Thai Railways, viz, is there any information on major track maintenance on the Bangkok. Chiang Mai main line.
Perhaps if I repeat it some of the more mature members might find time to respond.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1467993]I have too many friends who have visited countless number of times and none of those mfs has yet to learn how to say hello in Thai.[/QUOTE]True, I've bi*ched about that too. These guys are being very stupid. A few phrases, a wai and a smile are extremely useful. But some of you guys do know the language, the people and the country. I appreciate your willingness to share your knowledge.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234; 1467994]Just to be clear, department stores 'lease / rent' their space to brand owners. So each brand has their own sales / merchandiser / clerk working on commission basis to provide buyers with service. Department store collects combination of monthly rent plus profit margin for leasing the space, usually 30++% of selling price. Sales girls usually can earn up to another 10% commission on products.
This arrangement is the norm in Asia. In the US, the closest model is the cosmetic and / or fragrance counters.[/QUOTE]Thanks Traveler. It makes perfect sense now. My first girlfriend in college worked at the cosmetics counter in the mall, so I know exactly how that works. She worked for the cosmetics company, not the store. In the US our department stores buy beforehand most of the things that they sell in the stores, but the department stores in Asia only lease the space to the manufacturer or seller of the goods.
[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1467999]In the simplest possible terms I posted a question asking for information about Thai Railways, viz, is there any information on major track maintenance on the Bangkok. Chiang Mai main line.
Perhaps if I repeat it some of the more mature members might find time to respond.[/QUOTE]Maybe a mongering forum isn't the best place to ask this question. You might have more luck on tripadvisor or just use google.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1467967]Snipped , So say you are looking at Brand A, the Brand A worker will have to help you. But if you go to the next rack over to look at Brand B, then the Brand A worker will fall off and the Brand B worker will have to help you. Whichever shirt you choose, that worker will take your item all the way across the store to the register and give it to one person who will ring it up and take your money. That person will give it to the person next to them along with the receipt and they will put it into a bag and staple it before handing it to you.[/QUOTE]Sounds just like Mike's Department Store. 2nd floor, in Pattaya.
[QUOTE=David_33;1468040]Maybe a mongering forum isn't the best place to ask this question. You might have more luck on tripadvisor or just use google.[/QUOTE]But there are so many experts on here that under "General Reports" one might find a helpful soul.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1468036]but the department stores in Asia only lease the space to the manufacturer or seller of the goods.[/QUOTE]Retailer is King in Asia:
1. Goods are also placed on 'consignment' basis. Meaning you stock the shelf, get paid only after it's been sold. If it fails to sell, they yell and tell you to pick up the goods.
2. They also charge you a 'listing fee'. Meaning, for the privilege of stocking your product on their shelf or space, you also need to pay an one time up-front fee.
3. Every quarter they also often ask you to run a 'sale'.
7/11 and similar convenience stores often also charge #2, plus if your stuff doesn't move within 30-60 days, they kick you out!
Dealing with retail in Asia is harder than kicking out a freebie the next morning :D
[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1467999]In the simplest possible terms I posted a question asking for information about Thai Railways, viz, is there any information on major track maintenance on the Bangkok. Chiang Mai main line.
Perhaps if I repeat it some of the more mature members might find time to respond.[/QUOTE]You must be the biggest idiot on this board. I answer the question you ask and you shot back with insults and bashing and you now you stupidly is saying raw nerve shit and throwing in the word mature. I suggest you look in the mirror once you do you will see a big ass!
Goodbye mr. Sensitive there is a bar you might like to hang out it is just off Pattaya Klang behind the Big C extra, you should feel a home there you can't miss it! The bar is call Stupid Bar they are looking for a manager!
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1468115]You must be the biggest idiot on this board. I answer the question you ask and you shot back with insults and bashing and you now you stupidly is saying raw nerve shit and throwing in the word mature. I suggest you look in the mirror once you do you will see a big ass!
Goodbye mr. Sensitive there is a bar you might like to hang out it is just off Pattaya Klang behind the Big C extra, you should feel a home there you can't miss it! The bar is call Stupid Bar they are looking for a manager![/QUOTE]I asked more mature people to reply. You obviously did not get the message.
[QUOTE=Scorchin;1468133]I asked more mature people to reply. You obviously did not get the message.[/QUOTE]Even though your question may not be an ideal one for this forum, I think it still deserves a courteous response.
I have no knowledge of the status of the train from BKK to CM other than to have heard on several occasions that it is a nice, comfortable ride at a reasonable cost. It's on my list, but I have not ridden it yet. Nothing on the official website indicates that the northern line is down now.
From what I am told the bus (even the overnight VIP bus) is a long, tedious 12+ hour ride. Unless you are really strapped for funds, I'd avoid it.
Personally, I've made the trip from BKK to CM (and to Chiang Rai) several times. Each by air. I can usually get a RT ticket on Thai Airways for US$175-$200. I think other airlines may even be a bit cheaper, but I like Thai. They are a class act, and they fly several times each day. Valuing my time and comfort, I choose to travel this way. Although I may still take the train. Just for the experience. One of these days.
SW
[QUOTE=Sirwilliam4; 1468151]Even though your question may not be an ideal one for this forum, I think it still deserves a courteous response.
I have no knowledge of the status of the train from BKK to CM other than to have heard on several occasions that it is a nice, comfortable ride at a reasonable cost. It's on my list, but I have not ridden it yet. Nothing on the official website indicates that the northern line is down now.
From what I am told the bus (even the overnight VIP bus) is a long, tedious 12+ hour ride. Unless you are really strapped for funds, I'd avoid it.
Personally, I've made the trip from BKK to CM (and to Chiang Rai) several times. Each by air. I can usually get a RT ticket on Thai Airways for US$175-$200. I think other airlines may even be a bit cheaper, but I like Thai. They are a class act, and they fly several times each day. Valuing my time and comfort, I choose to travel this way. Although I may still take the train. Just for the experience. One of these days.
SW[/QUOTE]Nok Air and Air Aisa are 1/2 the price. And flying time the same.
[QUOTE=Sirwilliam4;1468151]...I think other airlines may even be a bit cheaper, but I like Thai. They are a class act, and they fly several times each day. Valuing my time and comfort, I choose to travel this way...
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TConor;1468190]Nok Air and Air Aisa are 1/2 the price. And flying time the same.[/QUOTE]He obviously knows that. You can't take Nok Air or Airasia if you need the Thai Airways comfort level.
You have now firmly established yourself as one of those nasty little creatures that reside under a bridge (in this case our forum) only to come out waving and screaming for no reason except to annoy or pick fights with every passerby who happens to come along.
Welcome to the ISG Thailand Board: Troll.
[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1467856]Tenuous link to sex in Thailand butI am told that the line from Bangkok to Chiang Mai may be under repair in November. Any information?
How do I get from mPs in Bangkok to those in Chiang Mai?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1467905]Take the bus or fly! LBM[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Scorchin; 1467906]The Master of the Obvious. You forgot, in your post, m / see, car, taxi and walking.
If, in your rush to comment, you had paused and READ my post I asked for information about Thai Railways November maintenance programme and only facetiously asked about alternatives to maintain that the post had legitimacy on a sex board. No doubt had I not done so senior members who have nothing better to do than criticise the post of newer members would have objected.
Perhaps you might find time to comment on the relative merits of flying nd bus travel. Now that would be a useful way to spend your time.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Scorchin; 1467999]Oh Dear, Did I touch a raw nerve. <snip
Perhaps if I repeat it some of the more mature members might find time to respond.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Scorchin;1468133]I am sorry. I asked more mature people to reply. You obviously did not get the message.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Scorchin;1467644]Even dummies have some intelligence. I would not give up your day job and become a ventriloquist with this poster as your dummy.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Scorchin;1467644]Wrong. As usual by all accounts.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Scorchin;1466073]Let's stop argung about 'he paid, ' 'I paid, ' 'you paid'. The most boring posts are those arguing that "X" paid 'too much. ' There is enough information on guideline payments here to make any further discussion a non-event.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Scorchin;1462939]Ignorance is dangerous. Given your self confessed ignorance of the realities of India I suggest that any further contribution by you on the subject be regarded as ignorant ramblings.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Scorchin;1462925]Racist Rant. I find that the post above is so ignorant of reality, so stupid in its content and so unbelievable that I hope any Indian members here will correct the OP. As a visitor on many occasions to that country I find the catalogue of criticisms appears to describe an India I do not recognise so full as it is of anecdotal crap.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sirwilliam4; 1468151]Even though your question may not be an ideal one for this forum, I think it still deserves a courteous response.
I have no knowledge of the status of the train from BKK to CM other than to have heard on several occasions that it is a nice, comfortable ride at a reasonable cost. It's on my list, but I have not ridden it yet. Nothing on the official website indicates that the northern line is down now.
From what I am told the bus (even the overnight VIP bus) is a long, tedious 12+ hour ride. Unless you are really strapped for funds, I'd avoid it.
Personally, I've made the trip from BKK to CM (and to Chiang Rai) several times. Each by air. I can usually get a RT ticket on Thai Airways for US$175-$200. I think other airlines may even be a bit cheaper, but I like Thai. They are a class act, and they fly several times each day. Valuing my time and comfort, I choose to travel this way. Although I may still take the train. Just for the experience. One of these days.
SW[/QUOTE]This is a great response, considerate of you to take the time to give this guy a guy who considers himself "mature" but is nothing more than a immature ass who thinks too highly of himself!
There is nothing wrong with the question being ask here it was a simple one and I gave him a simple answer I know now I was wrong because he wanted his hand to be held like a little prick that he is and would settle for nothing more than a long extensive answer and as you can see my short and sweet answer rough up his neat little world.
But the answer you gave I seriously doubt if he can even buy a ticket by himself. As one can see from the summary given that the word "mature" is used loosely and has expanded to fit his needs.
Nevertheless, while he can't find the way to C.M. or look it up himself too stupid or lazy or both, I was out late late or early morning and decided to check out a oily, Soi Buakhao, Soi Honey, stop at Paradise that opens all night 24/7, 4-5 girls sitting outside but one standout, white skin, 25 years old name something like Not, Nok? girl in the end could easily work at a go go told me she was shy? but after a so so oil and lots of conversation in Thai no boyfriend and no baby great pair of tits all natural with good pair of legs. Did 69 with her for a long time and she does a good slow deep throat. Surely will repeat again she works from 8pm to 9am in the morning. Agree for special massage before 900 baht but gave her 1,000 this was FS. Now she did hit a raw nerve!
LBM
[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1467999]In the simplest possible terms I posted a question asking for information about Thai Railways, viz, is there any information on major track maintenance on the Bangkok. Chiang Mai main line.
Perhaps if I repeat it some of the more mature members might find time to respond.[/QUOTE]Check out the website [url]www.seat61.com.[/url] It has alot of great info about train travel in southeast asia, including Bangkok to Chang Mai
[QUOTE=Sirwilliam4; 1468151]I have no knowledge of the status of the train from BKK to CM other than to have heard on several occasions that it is a nice, comfortable ride at a reasonable cost. It's on my list, but I have not ridden it yet. Nothing on the official website indicates that the northern line is down now.
From what I am told the bus (even the overnight VIP bus) is a long, tedious 12+ hour ride. Unless you are really strapped for funds, I'd avoid it.
SW[/QUOTE]Thank you for you courteous reply.
Having travelled to Chiang Mai half a dozen times by train over the last ten years (and to Nong Kai A few times) I am keen to try the Japanese single berth first class sleepers rather than the older twin berth sleepers. If I do travel by train I will report. But you should try it. A great way to spend a night.
I do enough domestic flying in SE Asia to get bored with local flights!
[QUOTE=TConor;1468190]Nok Air and Air Aisa are 1/2 the price. And flying time the same.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I had missed Nok Air in my research. Last time I flew Air Asia it reminded me of Ryan Air!
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1468199]You have now firmly established yourself as one of those nasty little creatures that reside under a bridge (in this case our forum) only to come out waving and screaming for no reason except to annoy or pick fights with every passerby who happens to come along.[/QUOTE]Perhaps you might take time to read the polite responses to my question. And my replies. I hope they demonstrate 'politeness. '
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1468225]There is nothing wrong with the question being ask here it was a simple one and I gave him a simple answer I know now I was wrong because he wanted his hand to be held like a little prick that he is and would settle for nothing more than a long extensive answer and as you can see my short and sweet answer rough up his neat little world.
But the answer you gave I seriously doubt if he can even buy a ticket by himself. As one can see from the summary given that the word "mature" is used loosely and has expanded to fit his needs.
Nevertheless, while he can't find the way to C. M. Or look it up himself too stupid or lazy or both, I was out late late or early morning and decided to check out a oily, Soi Buakhao, Soi Honey, stop at Paradise that opens all night 24/7, 4-5 girls sitting outside but one standout, white skin. 25 years old name something like Not, Nok? Girl in the end could easily work at a go go told me she was shy? But after a so so oil and lots of conversation in Thai no boyfriend and no baby great pair of tits all natural with good pair of legs. Did 69 with her for a long time and she does a good slow deep throat. Surely will repeat again she works from 8pm to 9am in the morning. Agree for special massage before 900 baht but gave her 1, 000 this was FS. Now she did hit a raw nerve!
LBM[/QUOTE]1. You missed the point. I asked about possible track maintenance.
2. I have bought train tickets in Thailand from agents whilst overseas, from local agents whilst in Bangkok and from the stain. The only person holding my hand was a diminutive Thai girl travelling with me.
3. I enjoyed, vicariously your description of your night out. Love cheap pornography.
[QUOTE=Sock111; 1468233]Check out the website.
[url]www.seat61.com.[/url]
It has alot of great info about train travel in southeast asia, including Bangkok to Chang Mai[/QUOTE]Thanks; used it lots and thoroughly recommend it. The guy running it likes feed back and we have 'chatted' about the 'bamboo line' in Cambodia.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1467963]Uhhh. Couldn't this be said for people in general and has nothing to do with religion or being a Thai working girl? On the whole humans value life, but everyday in every country, people kill people.[/QUOTE]Not all people or hookers are created equal. I like my chances with a "life respecting" Buddhist Thai girl rather than with a PI, Indo or African.
That being said, though, again, there are bad apples everywhere. For example there were recent reliable reports of a TG working the streets near NEP, knowing she has HIV & having BBFS with customers. This worries the other girls working there. So unless you're "in the know" about who to avoid, or use "protection", beware. I could advise you not to take any ugly or average looking girls, but there's many guys here who think up is down. Luvpuss may have already stuck his joystick in her.
Found this funny pic, which might lighten things around.
[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya;1468429]Found this funny pic, which might lighten things around.[/QUOTE]I am pleased to say that I can put a cross against every statement!
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1468360]Not all people or hookers are created equal. I like my chances with a "life respecting" Buddhist Thai girl rather than with a PI, Indo or African.[/QUOTE]You mean like the "life respecting" Buddhist Thai girl that drugged my friend the other day?
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1468472]You mean like the "life respecting" Buddhist Thai girl that drugged my friend the other day?[/QUOTE]If you RTFs or government travel advisaries, etc, you'd know this is commonly warned about.
It happens in countries around the world, not just in Thailand or with TGs.
Too bad your friend committed a rookie mistake.
He wasn't the first & won't be the last.
Funny thing is, if I came on here warning about it & how to protect yourself, like I do with other things, a few would whine about it in the usual ways. While others would learn something & could be guaranteed to avoid what happened to your pal.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1467981]Thank you the compliment; however, one of the things that surprised me when I first started reading the Thailand threads on this forum is how much I was able to learn about Thailand and the Thais beyond the sex industry. I think there are a number of you guys who have broad and deep knowledge of Thailand. As I've mentioned in the past, thanks guys.
There's no education like first hand. I try to learn something from every girl I'm with and my experiences get better and better. Especially when you go beyond the bed. As fucked up as it is, you are almost better off not going to get to know the men. Too many cultural differences.
Excellent point. I notice this in the nicer department stores in Bangkok as well. Perhaps not to the same degree as in the Philippines but there are many more clerks in Bangkok department stores than in department stores in developed countries. The people who control the economy tolerate inefficiency because it gives people a little income and something to do. You don't want too many hungry, ornery people sitting around with nothing to do. They might start talking and get some dangerous ideas in their heads.[/QUOTE]This was very evident in Jarkarta department stores and Traveler's explanation was a well written eye opener.
Not sure if this was shared yet:
[url]http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/06/01/bangkok-claims-the-worlds-no-1-tourist-destination-title/[/url]
Retire in Thailand for less than $800 a month:
[url]http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/retire-thailand-less-800-month-190419156.html[/url]
Enjoy tons of free & easy low fat pussy.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1468472]You mean like the "life respecting" Buddhist Thai girl that drugged my friend the other day?[/QUOTE]Some people need to rely on stereotypes to justify their self-delusion and then fall back on blaming the victim.
What happened to your friend in the end, was he charged or did the police accept his explanation?
[QUOTE=Scorchin;1472736]But why are the pharmaceutical industries not investing in malaria drugs and new antibiotics. The answer; they are too busy investing in drugs to keep the old and ancient alive (because they are prepared pay to to stay alive)[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mouse1; 1472728]That's fine and quite sensible. But I work in the pharmaceutical business, and I can assure you that pharmacists have a much bigger commercial interest in selling you any old snake oil that anybody working in the pharma business, since 99. 99% of us have absolutely nothing to gain whether you buy a Pfizer drug or a J&J drug or neither. On the other hand a lifetime working in the industry does give us a bit of knowledge.
I've always wondered why the pharma industry gets such a bad rap. Most guys on the R&D side come into it from a scientific background with a real desire to improve the world's health. The marketing side of the pharma business can be pretty dodgy, but no worse than any other business (automobiles, banking, law, IT, PR, airlines: they're all pretty straight guys, right?) [/QUOTE]Pharmaceutical companies are in business to make money, as are all businesses. R&D's function is to develop new products that will make money. Marketing and sales function is to make money for the company from existing products. Simple as that.
There are what the medical community calls orphaned diseases. These are diseases that get no attention because businesses can't make enough money off them to justify the R&D. This problem is not created by the companies. It is a moral issue at a societal level. At one time the US government funded considerable drug development. Scientists worked on problems that were deemed valuable (but not necessarily profitable) by the scientific community. That is no longer the case. In the US virtually all pharmaceutical R&D is done within the industry. If you're a US citizen and want more attention paid to these orphaned diseases, elect politicians who support adequate funding for the NSF and NIH.
My personal experiences are consist with what Mouse writes, the doctors and scientists I've known who work on R&D in the industry are as he describes them. My biggest problem with the pharmaceutical industry has to do with the way they go about getting products approved for specific applications. This discussion can get pretty technical and is so far removed from ISG's purpose, I'm leaving it at that.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1472762]I wish we had some strict moderators at times to keep us all back to the topics of the thread. I admit to getting off track too. Some guys need to get laid very soon, I reckon.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Scorchin;1472775]You should be aware that 'sex in Bangkok' covers a bit more than immature men describing their sexual exploits providing vicarious reading for other immature males. Thus Bangkok Reports on viagra and testosterone are fully justified.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Syzygies; 1472821]They do not relate to Bangkok Thread. We have a general thread for miscellaneous topics. Some deviation from thread purpose is to be expected. You could read up on the aims of the forum. Good positive experience reports are something that is generally accepted and desired by many readers.
On one hand you say reports on Testosterone are justified, and on the other you say you aren't going to give any credence to the opinions of others, no matter how well researched and knowledgable they might be. If your opinion differs, fine, state your opinion, otherwise why dump on the others? Instead of just knocking others, add some more value.[/QUOTE]This is a interesting issue. How much moderation is appropriate? Seems ISG gets almost no moderation. I know racial issues are taboo, to the point that I got my wrist slapped for paraphrasing some technical information in a scientific journal on genetics as it pertains to race. You have to be careful about criticizing ISG or you will also get a demerit point. The forum appears to give us a lot of room to attack each other. Maybe a little more policing is needed there, but then I'd have to tone down the foulmouthed, opinionated, ranting persona that manifests itself in some of my posts. I agree with Syzygies that getting off thread topic is a problem, and I'm one of the guilty ones. Problem is monitoring this problem would be work for the forum moderator. I'll leave that at that. I think the practical solution is for us to be more disciplined.
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[QUOTE=TConor;1473132][url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/login.php?do=login[/url][/QUOTE][url]Http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/15/news/banks-americans-lockout/[/url]
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1472831]This is a interesting issue. How much moderation is appropriate? Seems ISG gets almost no moderation. I know racial issues are taboo, to the point that I got my wrist slapped for paraphrasing some technical information in a scientific journal on genetics as it pertains to race. You have to be careful about criticizing ISG or you will also get a demerit point. The forum appears to give us a lot of room to attack each other. Maybe a little more policing is needed there, but then I'd have to tone down the foulmouthed, opinionated, ranting persona that manifests itself in some of my posts. I agree with Syzygies that getting off thread topic is a problem, and I'm one of the guilty ones. Problem is monitoring this problem would be work for the forum moderator. I'll leave that at that. I think the practical solution is for us to be more disciplined.[/QUOTE]I don't think getting a bit off topic matters too much if it doesn't dominate the discussion. Some other forums like the German ones are much cleaner because they are strongly moderated by sensible moderators (not too emotional and not too sensitive). Moderators bring the discussion thread back in line as they have the power to delete posts that start going too far. Jackson has cleaned out stuff on occasions too, some of it trash and some of it sensible but off topic. Of course German forums have very few personal attacks, because the moderators do not tolerate it. Anyone misbehaving too much may get thrown out, I guess. In German forums, posters write much more freely with little fear of criticism, so get more candid opinions, and there is great toleration that different guys can find a particular place or girl has completely different appeal or lack of it. YMMV is the dominant belief. So there is no need to dump shit or vitriole on those merely holding a different opinion. If we had moderators to stop all the completely negative shit dumping posts, the forum would be better IMHO. There would be no need to counter-attack after receiving senseless attacks. However sometimes the moderators may need moderating too. They are certainly not infallible. LOL.
Good moderation requires finding someone good who is willing to do it regularly. Unfortunately that probably doesn't exist for the Thailand forum.
Unfortunately it is very hard to discuss anything that relates to differences in race, culture, religion, etc. Without some overly sensitive people raising the "racist" flag all the time, even if you write generally accepted facts. Neurosmyth claimed I was racist for thinking that black guys on average had bigger dicks (not a fact as such) , where I cannot see the harm, even if there was no scientific evidence behind my belief (brainwashing) and only observation and x rated movies. I don't see my comment was unfavourable to black guys in any way. Even the term "black" is not acceptable to all, even though my dark skinned female close friends call themselves "black" girls without any problem. Basically they are happy to accept that black girls are more horny (or less stodgy) and generally better at sex.
Someone wrote that certain establishments were refusing entry and the reason for refusal could not be proved to be racially based. That person was purely stating the status quo, but was immediately assumed to be in favour of the racial discrimination.
So yes, one has to be very careful not to offend the racially sensitive types, so certain topics are best avoided completely.
Kythera Biopharmaceuticals said a drug intended to treat double chins met its goals in two late-stage clinical studies. ATX-101 injection reached its main and secondary goals in the trials. The drug worked better than placebo at reducing fat in the submental area of the neck, which can create the appearance of a double chin. ATX-101 is intended to destroy fat cells while leaving other tissue largely unaffected. The company also said patients were happier after treatment with the drug than placebo! Bayer has applied for permission to sell it in Europe starting on 2014.
Another marvelous example of better living through modern medicine.
[QUOTE=by Jayant Bhandari]The problem of India is not its government. Government is only a symptom of the problem. The real problem is within the society, which is extremely superstitious and irrational. –[/QUOTE]See more at: [url]http://libertyunbound.com/node/1128[/url]#sthash. NJeVNUXP. Dpuf
Don't want to beat a dead horse on the India discussion of the past on this thread, but this excellent well written article by an educated Indian, who is clearly not racist, validates every statement I offered on the subject and explains in detail why I won't be going to India any time soon.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1473422]ATX-101 is intended to destroy fat cells while leaving other tissue largely unaffected.[/QUOTE]Somehow the words "largely unaffected" do not give me much trust."Yes, your double chin has disappeared but so have your lips, largely."
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1475123]Somehow the words "largely unaffected" do not give me much trust."Yes, your double chin has disappeared but so have your lips, largely."[/QUOTE]Ha Ha. That's good! They can suck fat out of your body, kill fat cells with cold treatments, and now this. Wonder what is around the corner?
[quote=daddy07; 1475114]see more at:
[url]http://libertyunbound.com/node/1128[/url]
#sthash. njevnuxp. dpuf
don't want to beat a dead horse on the india discussion of the past on this thread, but this excellent well written article by an educated indian, who is clearly not racist, validates every statement i offered on the subject and explains in detail why i won't be going to india any time soon.[/quote]i had thought that i would not be talking about indians after the last fiasco on this subject, when people accused me of being the bad person. however, you brought it up. the author of this article is basing his views on his own experience growing up. although quite a bit of what he says is true, it does not address the issue of indian men about their attitudes towards women, which was the original subject. what you and the others who think indian men are so lovely, need to go and stay in india for some time. i too am a product of india, who came to the americas in the late 70's.
india has it's multitude of goddesses for almost everything imaginable. the goddess of learning, wealth, strength etc. etc. they have religious celebration and pay homage to them. the author is partly right, that deference to women is limited to the temple precincts. however, in many cases women are not allowed in certain temples or if they are having their monthly period. the temples had their own set of dancing girls who in some cases offered comfort to men. women are looked down and treated like shit. if you look at the indian papers, everyday there are reports of honor killings, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], gender based abortions and violence.
the difference between the indians and the west is that in the west the women are treated with respect. that is not evident in india on a large scale. a large number of indian men who are roaming the world on their work or tourist visas bring along that culture. i have seen it not only in bkk but most anywhere they go. they are never willing to learn the good aspects of the west, forget about trying to assimilate to their new surroundings. they think the women are the same all over the world.
it is not surprising to see that when their asses are kicked by the western women, they immediately fall in line. when they are in thailand, they regard the working girls beneath their contempt and treat them accordingly. the thai women, being the pacifist kind, don't fight back. and the indian men see that as a weakness and exploit them. four for one price, anyone? there are many things india can be proud of, but not on this one.
so, daddy07, you can elect not to go to india, but that is your prerogative. but you should go and visit the country. it will open your eyes. there is a lot of rich history, different culture and cuisines for one to explore. after all, we gave the kamasutra to the world.
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1475114]See more at:
[url]http://libertyunbound.com/node/1128[/url]
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I won't be going to India any time soon.[/QUOTE]I don't think India will be any the worse off for your absence. However you will miss the opportunity of visiting one of the most vibrant, fascinating and rich cultures in the world. You will miss history both of the past and of the future as India strives to deal with a multitude of problems. Whilst the relationship between Indian men and women has a long way to go it is not all bad. Change is happening.
But India does not befit from uneducated prejudices and ignorant (in not knowing) visitors.
[QUOTE=Scorchin;1475355]I don't think India will be any the worse off for your absence. However you will miss the opportunity of visiting one of the most vibrant, fascinating and rich cultures in the world.[/QUOTE]Well, it's a big country with a lot of people from diverse backgrounds and a long history, so yes, there is a lot to learn about. Not sure it is any more fascinating than any other mix of cultures.
Apart from problems with men / women relationships, India is faced with the issue of the huge disparity between obscene wealth and shocking poverty. Compounded with a rigid hierarchical caste system, India is storing up huge problems for itself, and it won't be long before the underclass seeks a fairer receipt of the spoils of economic development. Just my opinion.
So I am messing around earlier adding plans and making lists for my trip to Bangkok / Pattaya. I will be travelling from mid November to mid December.
Luckily for me it seems, I come across an interesting little part in the fine print of my email flight booking confirmation.
[U] "Please ensure that your passport is valid for at least 6 months from your intended return date."[/U]
Knowing that my passport is due to expire next year, I think very little of it, but after a while something is eating away at me compelling me to go and check. Sure enough I realise that my passport will expire approx 4 months after I land in Thailand.
Not sure what this all means, I start to do some research and conclude that some people have experienced landing in Thailand with less than 6 months validity on their passports and have been refused entry. Others have been refused boarding to the aircraft at their departing airport as supposedly the airline can face serious fines for carrying a passenger in with less than 6 months validity.
Not sure how accurate the information I have researched is, or how strict they are on passport validity, but I will be renewing my passport asap.
Kinda really glad I checked now, as arriving with the bags full and being told to get out would kinda blow.
[QUOTE=Jack Of Spades; 1475399]So I am messing around earlier adding plans and making lists for my trip to Bangkok / Pattaya. I will be travelling from mid November to mid December.
Luckily for me it seems, I come across an interesting little part in the fine print of my email flight booking confirmation.
[U] "Please ensure that your passport is valid for at least 6 months from your intended return date."[/U]
Knowing that my passport is due to expire next year, I think very little of it, but after a while something is eating away at me compelling me to go and check. Sure enough I realise that my passport will expire approx 4 months after I land in Thailand.
Not sure what this all means, I start to do some research and conclude that some people have experienced landing in Thailand with less than 6 months validity on their passports and have been refused entry. Others have been refused boarding to the aircraft at their departing airport as supposedly the airline can face serious fines for carrying a passenger in with less than 6 months validity.
Not sure how accurate the information I have researched is, or how strict they are on passport validity, but I will be renewing my passport asap.
Kinda really glad I checked now, as arriving with the bags full and being told to get out would kinda blow.[/QUOTE]By all means, do not attempt to travel with less than 6 months remaining on your passport. Good advice to all.
SW
[QUOTE=Jack Of Spades; 1475399]I come across an interesting little part in the fine print of my email flight booking confirmation.
[U] "Please ensure that your passport is valid for at least 6 months from your intended return date."[/U]
I realise that my passport will expire approx 4 months after I land in Thailand.
Not sure how accurate the information I have researched is, or how strict they are on passport validity, but I will be renewing my passport asap.
Kinda really glad I checked now, as arriving with the bags full and being told to get out would kinda blow.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sirwilliam4; 1475790]By all means, do not attempt to travel with less than 6 months remaining on your passport. Good advice to all.
SW[/QUOTE]I got this information from a Thai visa website: "All travelers will need a passport valid for at least 90 days following your departure date from Thailand. However, we strongly recommend traveling with 6 months validity on your passport at all times."
I am not aware of any airlines that do not require 6 month validity.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1475797]I got this information from a Thai visa website: "All travelers will need a passport valid for at least 90 days following your departure date from Thailand. However, we strongly recommend traveling with 6 months validity on your passport at all times."
I am not aware of any airlines that do not require 6 month validity.[/QUOTE]Airlines don't require the validity. Countries do. If you want to travel with less validity, that's your call. But don't be surprised if you are turned away.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1475858]Airlines don't require the validity. Countries do. If you want to travel with less validity, that's your call. But don't be surprised if you are turned away.[/QUOTE]Well, you are wrong. If you read all the fine print on the emails that comes with airline reservation, you will see notifications by the airlines that you must have 6 months on you passport. And indeed some airlines do check passports and refuse to board anyone with less than 6 months on their passports. Ryanair in particular has a reputation for doing this. I've never asked what they are looking for, but when I check my bag at my point or origin I notice my passport is carefully scrutinized by the person at the counter. I've always assumed one of the things they are looking for is whether I have 6 months left on my passport.
I suppose airlines could allow people to board with passports that will soon expire, but that would be a very bad policy.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1475865]I suppose airlines could allow people to board with passports that will soon expire, but that would be a very bad policy.[/QUOTE]If they did happen to allow it then they would face a fine by the country you were trying to enter. In addition to that, you would be turned around in immigration and led to a small room until which time said airline would have to put you on the next flight to where you came from. Both are mentioned in the original post.
Many times when you get off an international flight you will see agents holding a sign with peoples' names. Those are the people who slipped through the cracks for whatever reason. But as long as they catch it before the person reaches the immigration counter then there will be no fine. You don't fuck around with immigration and customs.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1475858]Airlines don't require the validity. Countries do. If you want to travel with less validity, that's your call. But don't be surprised if you are turned away.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1475865]Well, you are wrong. If you read all the fine print on the emails that comes with airline reservation, you will see notifications by the airlines that you must have 6 months on you passport.
I suppose airlines could allow people to board with passports that will soon expire, but that would be a very bad policy.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1475876]If they did happen to allow it then they would face a fine by the country you were trying to enter. In addition to that, you would be turned around in immigration and led to a small room until which time said airline would have to put you on the next flight to where you came from. You don't fuck around with immigration and customs.[/QUOTE]Yikes! Worse than I thought. I sure made an understatement. Thanks for bringing absolute clarity to the issue.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1475876]If they did happen to allow it then they would face a fine by the country you were trying to enter. In addition to that, you would be turned around in immigration and led to a small room until which time said airline would have to put you on the next flight to where you came from. Both are mentioned in the original post.
Many times when you get off an international flight you will see agents holding a sign with peoples' names. Those are the people who slipped through the cracks for whatever reason. But as long as they catch it before the person reaches the immigration counter then there will be no fine. You don't fuck around with immigration and customs.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if the airlines get fined, or if it is more about covering their asses. If they bring someone to Thailand that is denied, then they have to bring them out. This may end up costing the airline a bit.
However, airlines CAN let passengers go to Thailand with less than 6 months left on their passport.
Years ago Ramsay's kid's passport was about to expire and after some bitching and moaning British Air let they try.
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-505115/Anger-BA-gives-special-treatment-celebrity-chef-Gordon-Ramsay.html[/url]
[QUOTE=RBDave;1475888]I'm not sure if the airlines get fined, or if it is more about covering their asses. If they bring someone to Thailand that is denied, then they have to bring them out. This may end up costing the airline a bit.[/QUOTE]Airlines bringing passengers with irregular documents get a 5000$ fine and they have to bring the passenger back to where they brought him from (with to first useful flight)
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1475876]Many times when you get off an international flight you will see agents holding a sign with peoples' names. Those are the people who slipped through the cracks for whatever reason.[/QUOTE]They are usefully fist class passengers or VIP's being picked up at the plane to be taken through immigration on fast track passengers. Sometime the signs are also for any passenger with a very tight and short connection, being taken straight to the next plane / gate. Nothing to do with your assumptions.
[QUOTE=RBDave;1475888]However, airlines CAN let passengers go to Thailand with less than 6 months left on their passport.[/QUOTE]I was surprised to discover that Thailand only requires 90-days on the passport.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1475944]I was surprised to discover that Thailand only requires 90-days on the passport.[/QUOTE]What is your source for this?
[QUOTE=Run Mann;1475949]What is your source for this?[/QUOTE]Here you go.
[url]http://thailand.visahq.com/[/url]
And here is the text.
[I]Check the current validity of your passport.
All travelers will need a passport valid for at least 90 days following your departure date from Thailand. However, we strongly recommend traveling with 6 months validity on your passport at all times. VisaHQ can assist USA citizens with a full range of expedited passport services, including new passport application and passport renewal.
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[QUOTE=RBDave;1475888]I'm not sure if the airlines get fined, or if it is more about covering their asses. If they bring someone to Thailand that is denied, then they have to bring them out. This may end up costing the airline a bit.[/QUOTE]Airlines can be fined by the host county but it is not an automatic fine and the fine is subjective up to a certain limit / amount. The fine is based on the severity and the amount of infractions the airlines have with the host country. Visitors who are denied entry in any country will most likely have a round trip ticket so the airline will not lose much on rescheduling their return flights if they are refused entry. Almost impossible to get any airline to transport visitors from one country to another on a one way, (unless they also have an onward ticket to another country) ticket these days because the airlines know if passengers are denied entry then they, the airline would have to pick up the tab for their return flight to wherever they came from.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1475951]Here you go.
[url]http://thailand.visahq.com/[/url]
And here is the text.
[I]Check the current validity of your passport.
All travelers will need a passport valid for at least 90 days following your departure date from Thailand. However, we strongly recommend traveling with 6 months validity on your passport at all times. VisaHQ can assist USA citizens with a full range of expedited passport services, including new passport application and passport renewal.
[/I][/QUOTE]That is not the Thai Government Official site, that is a third party site giving out information. The official Thai Embassy/Consulate says your passport must be valid for six months after the expected date of entry into Thailand.
Also, text from the U. S Dept of State.
[url]http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1040.html[/url]
ENTRY / EXIT REQUIREMENTS FOR USA CITIZENS: If you are a USA citizen tourist staying for fewer than 30 days, you do not require a visa, but your passport must be valid for at least six months beyond the date of your entry into Thailand. Thai Immigration officials may ask for your onward / return ticket, and airlines may ask for this information when you book or check in.
And from Thai Consulate:
[url]http://www.thaiembassy.org/telaviv/th/services/685/17388-Visa-Information.html[/url]
[url]http://www.thaiconsulatela.org/service_visa_detail.aspx?link_id=32[/url]
[QUOTE=Run Mann;1475966]That is not the Thai Government Official site, that is a third party site giving out information.[/QUOTE]As I am familiar with this company. I am well aware that they are not a government agency. I was very surprised to read their claim that only 90 days remaining on the passport is required for a Thai visa. I had never heard of this.
All I can say is that it is a reputable company whose business is helping people get visas and passports. Apparently they can get visas to Thailand for US citizens with only 90 days on the passport at time of departure from Thailand. I have no idea how they do this. Notice that they strongly recommend traveling with a passport that will be valid for at least another 6 months at the time of return.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1475974]As I am familiar with this company. I am well aware that they are not a government agency. I was very surprised to read their claim that only 90 days remaining on the passport is required for a Thai visa. I had never heard of this.
All I can say is that it is a reputable company whose business is helping people get visas and passports. Apparently they can get visas to Thailand for US citizens with only 90 days on the passport at time of departure from Thailand. I have no idea how they do this. Notice that they strongly recommend traveling with a passport that will be valid for at least another 6 months at the time of return.[/QUOTE]Bad on you to be posting info you think or know is incorrect. Your original post and subsequent reply read like you were surprised about the 90 day rule and you genuinely believed it to be true. If you knew or suspected the info was wrong it would have been better for you to post their info and correct it instead of posting it like it was gospel only to make your disclaimer after the fact.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1475944]I was surprised to discover that Thailand only requires 90-days on the passport.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Run Mann;1475983]Bad on you to be posting info you think or know is incorrect. Your original post and subsequent reply read like you were surprised about the 90 day rule and you genuinely believed it to be true. If you knew or suspected the info was wrong it would have been better for you to post their info and correct it instead of posting it like it was gospel only to make your disclaimer after the fact.[/QUOTE]Good sir, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you struggle comprehending the English language. Otherwise, shame on you for blatantly misrepresenting my post.
I wrote that I was surprised to read they can get a Thai visa for a US citizen with a passport so close to expiring. I did not say I think or know the information is incorrect. This is a sizable company whose headquarters is in Washington, D. C. They have been in business for over a decade, have close relationships with the major embassies in that city, and have offices in several other cities. They are skilled at getting passports and visas quickly and are adept at dealing with red tape. I have known people who have used and had nothing but good things to say about their services. I do not think they would claim to be able to do something they could not do.
Personally, an expiring passport is not something I even think about. I've always had mine renewed by about the end of the ninth year.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1475998]Personally, an expiring passport is not something I even think about. I've always had mine renewed by about the end of the ninth year.[/QUOTE]Runs their passport down to the last few months. Indeed I cannot understand why it is an issue worth discussion. I can envisage situations where it is plain stupidity not to renew a passport once it has less than a year to run.
[QUOTE=Scorchin;1476009]Runs their passport down to the last few months. Indeed I cannot understand why it is an issue worth discussion. I can envisage situations where it is plain stupidity not to renew a passport once it has less than a year to run.[/QUOTE]How true. If you've been following the posts, this started when a member discovered the 6 month rule for the first time.
Some people apply for a passport, use it once and then never think about it again until a decade later when they plan another trip, only then to discover their passport has expired. Fortunately, one can pay the freight and expedite the application for a new passport.
People who travel more regularly, as is probably the case with most ISG members, are probably aware well in advance of when their passport is due to expire.
Maybe someday in the future one or two poor sots who are unaware of the 6-month rule will stumble across these useless posts and think to check their passports' expiration dates.
[QUOTE=Scorchin;1476009]Runs their passport down to the last few months. Indeed I cannot understand why it is an issue worth discussion. I can envisage situations where it is plain stupidity not to renew a passport once it has less than a year to run.[/QUOTE]I really wish I knew everything, but I have difficulty in admitting that I don't.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1476018]Maybe someday in the future one or two poor sots who are unaware of the 6-month rule will stumble across these useless posts and think to check their passports' expiration dates.[/QUOTE]Exactly the motivation behind my original admission that I almost messed up bigtime.
[QUOTE=Jack Of Spades;1476127]I really wish I knew everything, but I have difficulty in admitting that I don't.[/QUOTE]Meant to type "I have no difficulty admitting I do not know everything."
Senior member over at the Usasexguide site, just starting here.
Few questions for all western expats living in Bangkok or Thailand in general. Especially those that work there.
I have planned for some time to move to Thailand when I retire, lately have been considering it sooner. How many of you, that are from the west or AU, work in Thailand. And, without giving away details, what sort of work is it? Ie. Work for western corp that has office in Thailand, work for Thai company, own my own business, etc.
It is possible I may be able to continue working for my currently company and just work remotely from Thailand (or where ever). But I like to cover all my bases.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Kiyakubuke; 1476304]Senior member over at the Usasexguide site, just starting here.
Few questions for all western expats living in Bangkok or Thailand in general. Especially those that work there.
I have planned for some time to move to Thailand when I retire, lately have been considering it sooner. How many of you, that are from the west or AU, work in Thailand. And, without giving away details, what sort of work is it? Ie. Work for western corp that has office in Thailand, work for Thai company, own my own business, etc.
It is possible I may be able to continue working for my currently company and just work remotely from Thailand (or where ever). But I like to cover all my bases.
Thanks[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Thailand&country2=United[/url]+States
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1475951]Here you go.
[url]http://thailand.visahq.com/[/url]
And here is the text.
[I]Check the current validity of your passport.
All travelers will need a passport valid for at least 90 days following your departure date from Thailand. However, we strongly recommend traveling with 6 months validity on your passport at all times. VisaHQ can assist USA citizens with a full range of expedited passport services, including new passport application and passport renewal.
[/I][/QUOTE]If you read it carefully, it says 90 DAYS FOLLOWING YOUR DEPARTURE date. So it is not a 90 day validity. Enuff said.
[QUOTE=TConor; 1476321][url]Http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Thailand&country2=United[/url]
+States[/QUOTE]I currently live outside Nashville, TN. Very low COL for the US. Bangkok is not tremendously cheaper, somethings even more expensive. So I would still need to work if I didn't want to have to tap into my retirement early.
[QUOTE=Run Mann; 1475966]from the U. S Dept of State.
ENTRY / EXIT REQUIREMENTS FOR USA CITIZENS: If you are a USA citizen tourist staying for fewer than 30 days, you do not require a visa, but your passport must be valid for at least six months beyond the date of your entry into Thailand.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1475951]All travelers will need a passport valid for at least 90 days following your departure date from Thailand. However, we strongly recommend traveling with 6 months validity on your passport at all times. VisaHQ can assist USA citizens with a full range of expedited passport services, including new passport application and passport renewal.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Duniawala;1476360]If you read it carefully, it says 90 DAYS FOLLOWING YOUR DEPARTURE date. So it is not a 90 day validity. Enuff said.[/QUOTE]Several posts ago it was too much said; however, if [U]you[/U] Read carefully, the US State Department and the passport / visa service company clearly contradict one another, which is what created the ruckus. The moral is: renew your passport well before six months of its expiration.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1476423]Several posts ago it was too much said; however, if [U]you[/U] Read carefully, the US State Department and the passport / visa service company clearly contradict one another, which is what created the ruckus. The moral is: renew your passport well before six months of its expiration.[/QUOTE]Makes no bl*dy difference. Only a fool travels with a passport which might run out during overseas travel. Renew it at least 12 months before its validity expires even if you are not then planning to travel.
Don't waste time on the semantics of various 'instructions. '
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1476423]Several posts ago it was too much said; however, if [U]you[/U] Read carefully, the US State Department and the passport / visa service company clearly contradict one another, which is what created the ruckus. The moral is: renew your passport well before six months of its expiration.[/QUOTE]Neither the US State Department, nor the visahq company determine the rules. Sadly, I cannot find the rules clearly stated on any Thai government website. On the website of the Thai Embassy in Washington DC, it makes no mention of passport requirements for the tourist visa exemptions (30 day stamp most people here get when they enter Thailand without a visa) , [url]http://dc.thaiembdc.org/consular/VISA/Exempt2.aspx[/url].
However, for a tourist visa (60 day kind) , it states "Your actual Passport or Travel Document. (Passport or Travel Document must not expire within 6 months and contain at least ONE completely empty visa page)." [url]http://dc.thaiembdc.org/consular/VISA/Tourist.aspx[/url]. But it doesn't say when the clock starts on the six months (entry, exit, or date of application).
Because the 30 day stamp is shorter than the proper visa, they may use the 90 day rule mentioned. In that case, both websites could technically be accurate. However, I'm inclined to believe it is 6 months from time of entry.
Anal retention here.
Does it matter what the different rules say?
[QUOTE=RBDave; 1476444]But it doesn't say when the clock starts on the six months (entry, exit, or date of application).
Because the 30 day stamp is shorter than the proper visa, they may use the 90 day rule mentioned. In that case, both websites could technically be accurate. However, I'm inclined to believe it is 6 months from time of entry.[/QUOTE]In all cases it is this: the passport must remain valid for six months past the intended date of leaving the country you visit.
The call on this is made by the country to which you visit, not the country you come from nor the country whose passport you have. In the past Thailand has not enforced this rule, but that does not mean the rule no longer exists.
Does passport validity rank above f*ck*ng?
Not in my book.
[QUOTE=Kiyakubuke; 1476304]Senior member over at the Usasexguide site, just starting here.
Few questions for all western expats living in Bangkok or Thailand in general. Especially those that work there.
It is possible I may be able to continue working for my currently company and just work remotely from Thailand (or where ever). But I like to cover all my bases.
Thanks[/QUOTE]If your current real country employer will employ you and let you work in Thailand, then take that. Thailand is like any other country, the biggest sharks are some other expat, not the locals, bar girls excluded of course. And if you really don't like the place, you maybe can move back where you came from. In Thailand there are very few things you can legally own as a business without being forced by regulation to share with some hanger on. Stick with what you know.
[QUOTE=AussieDoug; 1476503]In all cases it is this: the passport must remain valid for six months past the intended date of leaving the country you visit.
The call on this is made by the country to which you visit, not the country you come from nor the country whose passport you have. In the past Thailand has not enforced this rule, but that does not mean the rule no longer exists.[/QUOTE]They enforced it on me several years ago. They let me in but when time to leave, I got escorted out of immigration and they told me to go to my Embassy. Theu would not let me keave Thailand. At the time of my planned departure from Thailand, I had a few days less that 6 months before my passport expired. I got a new passport at the American Embassy in Bangkok. I did not mind; great excuse to spend some extra days in Bangkok.
[QUOTE=Scorchin;1476443]Don't waste time on the semantics of various 'instructions. '[/QUOTE]Well said.
The 6 month rule is a silly rule in its own as any country actually reduces the life of a passport 6 months shorter than what yor country says. But FFS, just renew it ahead of time and all will be fine.
Who is the idiot who wants to challenge any immigration officer anywhere in the world about his country rules being silly and not clear.
I'm looking at Thailand as a destination next year, probably late April. I usually do two week tours of the German fkk club scene (and will combine both scenes on this next trip). My question is how long is a good Thailand tour? I'm undecided between three or four weeks. I also ran into two swedes in a Fkk club, one who lives in Bangkok for the last 15 years. Both stated that Pattaya has the lower quality girls, girls who can no longer make it in Bangkok. Is this correct? Should I focus my trip in Bangkok and avoid Pattaya?
[QUOTE=Breadman;1477335]I'm looking at Thailand as a destination next year, probably late April. I usually do two week tours of the German fkk club scene (and will combine both scenes on this next trip). My question is how long is a good Thailand tour? I'm undecided between three or four weeks. I also ran into two swedes in a Fkk club, one who lives in Bangkok for the last 15 years. Both stated that Pattaya has the lower quality girls, girls who can no longer make it in Bangkok. Is this correct? Should I focus my trip in Bangkok and avoid Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Some guys love Pattaya. Some guys don't. Bangkok is a big city with a big mongering scene. Pattaya is smaller, cheaper and the girls on average are less attractive, though you can find some good looking young ladies. After four weeks in Bangkok you will have just scratched the surface. A few days in Pattaya and, unless you like it, you'll be ready to leave, and may conclude you don't need to go back.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1477335]I'm looking at Thailand as a destination next year, probably late April. I usually do two week tours of the German fkk club scene (and will combine both scenes on this next trip). My question is how long is a good Thailand tour? I'm undecided between three or four weeks. I also ran into two swedes in a Fkk club, one who lives in Bangkok for the last 15 years. Both stated that Pattaya has the lower quality girls, girls who can no longer make it in Bangkok. Is this correct? Should I focus my trip in Bangkok and avoid Pattaya?[/QUOTE]First, you should try to get to Thailand in early April for two reasons. One, late April is the beginning of rainy season. And two, Songkran. Many / most expats hate it with a passion, but I loved it when I was there last. Kind of a once in a lifetime experience.
Regarding quality of girls, my first visit to Pattaya, I had the impression that Bangkok was better. But lately, I don't think that is the case. The best looking girls in Bangkok seem to hold out for Japanese customers.
In Pattaya, you can find more hot women than you can shake a stick at. The gogos tend to have the better looking woman and will be much cheaper than you will find in Bangkok.
If you only plan on staying in one place, then three weeks is probably enough. If you want to move around, four is better. I like Phuket (but not for mongering) and the southern beaches in general.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1477335]I'm looking at Thailand as a destination next year, probably late April. I usually do two week tours of the German fkk club scene (and will combine both scenes on this next trip). My question is how long is a good Thailand tour? I'm undecided between three or four weeks. I also ran into two swedes in a Fkk club, one who lives in Bangkok for the last 15 years. Both stated that Pattaya has the lower quality girls, girls who can no longer make it in Bangkok. Is this correct? Should I focus my trip in Bangkok and avoid Pattaya?[/QUOTE]My first trip to Thailand was one month and I did not found one moment of it boring. One week Bangkok, one week some places in the interior and two weeks in Jomtien (Pattaya).
As to the "quality" of the girls, all depends on your definition of quality. There are ugly girls and bad performers everywhere, but beautiful ladies who give you a marvelous time as well. Prices in Pattaya are generally lower than in Bangkok, but I like the agogo-clubs in Bangkok more than those in Pattaya. On the other hand, the short-time bars in Soi 6 in Pattaya are unique: a real Candyland for Adults. Pattaya also has an abundance of open-air beerbars with lots of free-lancers and Beach Road is the home of more of them, if that is your fancy. For sure, Pattaya is different from Bangkok, but each has its own good and bad things. For a first trip, taking a look at both is the best option, IMHO.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1477471]My first trip to Thailand was one month and I did not found one moment of it boring. One week Bangkok, one week some places in the interior and two weeks in Jomtien (Pattaya).
As to the "quality" of the girls, all depends on your definition of quality. IMHO.[/QUOTE]There is a direct (exponential) relationship between the quality of Thai WGs and the amount of alcohol drunk by the punter.
There is the rule also that no girl is ugly at 1. 00am when there are only two WGs left in the bar
[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1476504]Does passport validity rank above f*ck*ng?
Not in my book.[/QUOTE]Of course it does. No validity, no LOS.
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[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1477498]There is a direct (exponential) relationship between the quality of Thai WGs and the amount of alcohol drunk by the punter.
There is the rule also that no girl is ugly at 1:00am when there are only two WGs left in the bar[/QUOTE]Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. To each his own. Its always advisable to be little sober when you select a girl. Agree on that.
Interesting documentary, part of the "Working Girls" Glory series from two years back. Very slick production values, focuses on Hi Class over in Ratchada, and obviously shot in that locale with full approval of the Davis Group.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNb93TkKGrA[/url]
[QUOTE=RBDave;1477389]First, you should try to get to Thailand in early April for two reasons. One, late April is the beginning of rainy season. And two, Songkran. Many / most expats hate it with a passion, but I loved it when I was there last. Kind of a once in a lifetime experience.[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the input, it will help me decide on an itinerary. Let me expand a bit, the reason I'm leaning towards late April to start this month long adventure is to end the trip on the US's memorial weekend, which would give me a free day to recoup before heading back to work. I'm using airmiles from United which allows a free layover on my return flight. I'd have an eight hour layover in Frankfurt which would allow me to take a break from flying and eat some good food and fuck some good pussy before continuing on to Bangkok. A return layover can then be taken in Frankfurt to enjoy many naked girls sunning themselves in the nude around outdoor pools at the various Fkk clubs. Really the best of both worlds in my opinion, I get to check out Thailand and enjoy the naked hotties in Germany.
My thinking is to spend two and a half weeks in Thailand and the remaining week and a half in Germany. Maybe 4 days in both Pattaya and Bangkok and then decide which area I prefer. Does talent change with weekends and weekdays as it does in Germany?
[QUOTE=Breadman; 1478004]Thanks for all the input, it will help me decide on an itinerary. Let me expand a bit, the reason I'm leaning towards late April to start this month long adventure is to end the trip on the US's memorial weekend, which would give me a free day to recoup before heading back to work. I'm using airmiles from United which allows a free layover on my return flight. I'd have an eight hour layover in Frankfurt which would allow me to take a break from flying and eat some good food and fuck some good pussy before continuing on to Bangkok. A return layover can then be taken in Frankfurt to enjoy many naked girls sunning themselves in the nude around outdoor pools at the various Fkk clubs. Really the best of both worlds in my opinion, I get to check out Thailand and enjoy the naked hotties in Germany.
My thinking is to spend two and a half weeks in Thailand and the remaining week and a half in Germany. Maybe 4 days in both Pattaya and Bangkok and then decide which area I prefer. Does talent change with weekends and weekdays as it does in Germany?[/QUOTE]I think two and half weeks is long enough to get a taste of Thailand. If I were to stay that long in one place, I think I'd get bored. I was there last during the rainy season and spent about 9 nights in Patong and was getting bored. Mostly because the rain was preventing me from doing much. Very little beach or snorkeling. However, if you are traveling around, you might feel rushed. I've done three nights in Phuket, three nights on Phi Phi, and three nights in Krabi before and I have to admit that I wish I could have slowed it down a bit.
If mongering is your only reason, then stay in Bangkok and Pattaya and you will have a good time. There are lots of things to do in both cities on your "down" time. Since you don't know either, yes, it's probably a good idea to spend four nights in each then decide what to do with the rest of your time. Finding accommodation will not be a problem during that time.
Just curious, are you traveling from the East coast of the US?
[QUOTE=RBDave;1478031]Just curious, are you traveling from the East coast of the US?[/QUOTE]Pretty much the 'northeast' coast. Close enough to Canada for a short drive is needed. Montreal and Toronto used to be my hunting grounds until the exchange rate went to par. Problem is as the exchange rate dropped, the escort fee's went up.
If I land at 2pm on a monday, what would be the better 'first destination'? Bangkok or Pattaya? Also curious about Thai airways. I read that singapore air has some hot stewardess's, what's the planes like with Thai airways?
[QUOTE=Breadman;1478064]Also curious about Thai airways. I read that singapore air has some hot stewardess's, what's the planes like with Thai airways?[/QUOTE]On a strict appearance comparison, Singapore airlines hostesses will win. Not that Thai airways don't have hot ones, but it is said that in SIA stewardess are grounded after they reach a certain age, I think around 30. Don't know much true this is, but it is a possibility, they might be hired on a 5 years contract and maybe not renewed. Easy.
Nevertheless both airlines are pleasant to fly with, service is excellent, but don't expect P4P on board. Ahahah ahah
[QUOTE]If I land at 2:00 p.m. on a Monday, what would be the better first destination? Bangkok or Pattaya?[/QUOTE]I recommend starting in Pattaya and ending in Bangkok. That way, you'll be closer to the airport when it's time to leave Thailand. If you go straight from Pattaya to BKK that adds at least a couple of hours to your outbound trip. The flight to Germany is already long enough. If your incoming flight is on time and the lines at the immigration checkpoint aren't too long you can easily be on Soi Six in Pattaya with a drink in your hand by 5:00 pm.
Bunky
Dear members,
I have been planning my trip to Thailand (first Mongering Trip) for sometime now and after a lot of reach have zeroed in on Pattaya. However I have had come across reports about the apparent discrimination (being melted out to people from Indian) regarding the entry / treatment into the bars at Walking Street and other areas.
I wanted to find out if this this practice is prevalent in Pattaya, and if there is really some discrimination which areas should I avoid [From what I read on the Internet, is it so bad that I should cancel my trip? ] I faced no trouble when I was mongering in Cebu last year for 10 days and 3 days in Manila. (Will be planning a trip next year to Cebu again, Red Horse and Mango Avenue will have to wait for sometime.)
Any opinions / thoughts on this will be helpful.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=SoulKeeper; 1480422]Dear members,
I have been planning my trip to Thailand (first Mongering Trip) for sometime now and after a lot of reach have zeroed in on Pattaya. However I have had come across reports about the apparent discrimination (being melted out to people from Indian) regarding the entry / treatment into the bars at Walking Street and other areas.
I wanted to find out if this this practice is prevalent in Pattaya, and if there is really some discrimination which areas should I avoid [From what I read on the Internet, is it so bad that I should cancel my trip? ] I faced no trouble when I was mongering in Cebu last year for 10 days and 3 days in Manila. (Will be planning a trip next year to Cebu again, Red Horse and Mango Avenue will have to wait for sometime.)
Any opinions / thoughts on this will be helpful.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Well well, Racism runs deep in Thailand, and it is even more obvious in the mongering areas, where you maybe denied entry into some establishments.
But BUT BUT as always money rules. And money is the king here in Thailand too, as is everywhere.
Play by the rules and you will enjoy. Flash money, be generous with the girls, mamasans etc and you will be valued (or rather the money in your pocket) , You have something that these chicks and their pimps want badly. But they do not know if you are willing to spend, or even know if you have that kind of money.
So in order to bring down their guard and to NOT stop you at the gate, do your due, wear clean dresses for a start, be clean shaven or well kept, smell well, carry some expensive accessories and be gentle and sweet when talking, and if they are still not convinced, just move on, no need to shout at racists who may have already made up their minds.
Remember, Racism does not just apply to your country, but to many other countries where the skin colour may not be white, So play the game well. There are 100s of establishments who will welcome you (or rather your money)
[QUOTE=SoulKeeper;1480422]Dear members,
I have been planning my trip to Thailand (first Mongering Trip) for sometime now and after a lot of reach have zeroed in on Pattaya. However I have had come across reports about the apparent discrimination (being melted out to people from Indian) regarding the entry / treatment into the bars at Walking Street and other areas.
I wanted to find out if this this practice is prevalent in Pattaya, and if there is really some discrimination which areas should I avoid [From what I read on the Internet, is it so bad that I should cancel my trip? ] I faced no trouble when I was mongering in Cebu last year for 10 days and 3 days in Manila. (Will be planning a trip next year to Cebu again, Red Horse and Mango Avenue will have to wait for sometime.)
Any opinions / thoughts on this will be helpful.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AssLover945;1480480].Flash money, be generous with the girls, mamasans etc and you will be valued (or rather the money in your pocket) , You have something that these chicks and their pimps want badly. But they do not know if you are willing to spend, or even know if you have that kind of money.carry some expensive accessories.[/QUOTE]If you flash money and expensive accessories then be prepared to part with them fast, just like in any other country. Here's the thing. Your brothers have ruined your reputation with their bad attitude towards women and being the greatest cheap skates in the world (looking for a 4 for 1 deal). That is compounded by poor hygiene and appearance. And this is not just with the mongering crowd. It is across the board.
So, if you have a good attitude, smile and be generous you should do OK. Your attitude and demeanor is the key. Be generous but not flashy. Buy a few lady drinks but not for the whole staff. And pay each time the drinks come around, not keep a tab. Otherwise you might land up with a lot of extra drinks.
Keep your diamond rings and the money clip at home. Just carry enough baht in your pocket when you go out. You may get turned away at some gogo bars in Nana or in Pattaya but not all. You should be fine in Soi Cowboy. But gogo bars are not that great anyway.
[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1480480]Well well, Racism runs deep in Thailand, and it is even more obvious in the mongering areas, where you maybe denied entry into some establishments.
But BUT BUT as always money rules. And money is the king here in Thailand too, as is everywhere.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I guess then Pattaya it is then. Will go ahead with the plan.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1480724]Keep your diamond rings and the money clip at home. Just carry enough baht in your pocket when you go out. You may get turned away at some gogo bars in Nana or in Pattaya but not all. You should be fine in Soi Cowboy. But gogo bars are not that great anyway.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the caution. And yes, I have read about not keeping a tab in any bars or pubs [do not want to get in arguments over the number of Drinks and LDs once I am leaving].
Just returned from trip last month to Thailand. The forum has been very useful to me so time to repay. Doubt that my post will add anything new but still duty calls to make a report.
Trip was mix of biz and pleasure so not full on mongering. Bangkok I have hit three or four times before and Pattaya was the second time.
Bangkok. Spent all my time in the NEP area or Soi 4. I prefer NEP to Cowboy as although the Cowboy go-go's maybe marginally better, NEP has much better bars in the area. All the bars on Soi 4 close to NEP I think are pretty good for having a beer and relaxing. Bar 4 (or could be 44) I like the best. Strikers also good. Personally I think some of the lady's in these bars are real interesting. If you look hard enough and with some luck can find a gem or two. I mean by this a 6 or 7 looker, speaks reasonable English and is fun. Not too pushy but if the right buttons are pressed will be available for 2,000. 4,000 LT. I don't negotiate hard. And all my take outs from these bars have been well worth the outlay. Enthusiastic GFE.
Best gogo's are Spankys and Rainbow 4. Spankys is more intimate but good to fair selection always available. Good floor show. Low turnover of girls also. Have a favourite from Spankys who I took out twice. Because I think Spankys tends to have mostly the same girls it is not so easy to take out different girls. OK if you have picked a real dud but otherwise ladies will tend to be at best seriously jealous, or at worse extremely pissed, if you return to the bar and take a different girl within a few days! Rainbow 4 has a very wide selection going from 4's. 8's. Did not take out this time. Spent an hour or so chatting and drinking with a real stunner. But she looked for 5, 000 for LT. This is too much I feel so deal did not materialize. But no drama, parted with a smile and a slap on the butt. Only other gogo I went to was Mandarin. Also pretty good. Bit smaller and intimate.
Bangkok I stayed at the JW Marriott. If you are not on a tight budget then it is great place to stay. Service excellent. No raised eyebrows. Can take "friends" into breakfast, pool area, club lounge. Totally GF.
Pattaya. Forays to Walking St, Soi LK Metro and bars at I-section of Soi 7-9 and Beach Road and Soi 12-13 and Second Road. Personally I think there are numerous rich pickings to be had in both these bar locations. Many gems to be found. Perhaps 7's but many, many great girls. Lots of fun and laughs to be had. Had three takeouts and was quoted as little as 200 BF and 1, 000 for LT. Cannot believe there is better all round value to be had anywhere else!
Gogo's I hit were Spankys and Angelwitch on Walking St. Both very moderate. At LK Metro, The Office which was also pretty bad. Far and away the best was The Funhouse (or could be Madhouse) at the location that was previously Champagnes. Easily the best looking dancers from the small sample of gog's I visited.
Pattaya stayed at Marriott Resort and Spa which same comments apply to JW in Bangkok.
In summary I think the bar scene in Pattaya is better and more varied. Gogo's in both location I think are similar. For those who are not familiar Pattaya is a "full on" adult resort. Bangkok has a couple of discrete pockets only. While there are many genuine tourists, couples and families in Pattaya they are "odd" in my opinion to take a non-adult holiday in that location. For stuff like shopping Bangkok is way better. Pattaya as a place of general interest and relaxation. Etc is a big disappointment.
Good luck to all.
[QUOTE=SoulKeeper; 1480422]Dear members,
I have been planning my trip to Thailand (first Mongering Trip) for sometime now and after a lot of reach have zeroed in on Pattaya. However I have had come across reports about the apparent discrimination (being melted out to people from Indian) regarding the entry / treatment into the bars at Walking Street and other areas.
I wanted to find out if this this practice is prevalent in Pattaya, and if there is really some discrimination which areas should I avoid [From what I read on the Internet, is it so bad that I should cancel my trip? ] I faced no trouble when I was mongering in Cebu last year for 10 days and 3 days in Manila. (Will be planning a trip next year to Cebu again, Red Horse and Mango Avenue will have to wait for sometime.)
Any opinions / thoughts on this will be helpful.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]I have been a regular at Pattaya. Yes, there are places where there is discrimination but its all dependent on you. Dress up well and behave in the right manner there would be no issues to get into any place. I personally have not faced this issue in Pattaya. Try the discos which normally get busy post midnight like Lucifer, Mixx or Insomnia. You can also move around the beer bars on Second Road and Soi LK. Walking street is anyway a must see.
[QUOTE=SoulKeeper;1480773]I have read about not keeping a tab in any bars or pubs [do not want to get in arguments over the number of Drinks and LDs once I am leaving].[/QUOTE]Just my opinion:
It's one thing to pay for a single drink at the time it's served, especially if you are served by a bartender and then wander off. But if you sit at a table and buy more than one drink, especially from a waitress (like in a go-go club) paying separately is not advised. If you do, most bar folks will decide you are a "Cheap Charlie," which they are predisposed to do anyway when dealing with our brothers from the subcontinent.
There is no problem running a tab. Every time you buy a drink (or more) the waitress will write your order and the cost on a small piece of paper and put that in a cylindrical cup on your table known as the "check bin." When you want to leave, give the bin back to your waitress. They will add up the drinks for you and you pay. Tipping is generally not done, except for a few coins.
The bars and go-gos located in and around the Nana Plaza are honest, as are the places in and around Soi Cowboy. Ditto for just about anywhere in Pattaya that you'd want to go. Drink prices are usually prominently posted. If you stick to the popular areas you don't need to worry about getting over-charged. The exception would be if you got sloppy drunk, or if you "ring the bell" to order drinks for everybody in the house. So long as you buy a modest number of drinks for yourself, and perhaps for the girls who sit with you, it will be fine.
If you are truly paranoid, you can check each slip as it is added to your bin. (Discretely, of course. Again, you don't want to look like a Cheap Charlie.) But if you insist on paying for each round individually you're going to annoy with waitress and reinforce a pernicious stereotype.
Bunky
[QUOTE=Bunky;1483813]There is no problem running a tab. Every time you buy a drink (or more) the waitress will write your order and the cost on a small piece of paper and put that in a cylindrical cup on your table known as the "check bin." When you want to leave, give the bin back to your waitress. They will add up the drinks for you and you pay. Tipping is generally not done, except for a few coins.[/QUOTE]The cup is not known as the "check bin". As in the Thai language a word cannot end on an "L"-sound. The English "check bill" becomes automatically "check bin" when spoken by a Thai.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1483939]The cup is not known as the "check bin". As in the Thai language a word cannot end on an "L"-sound. The English "check bill" becomes automatically "check bin" when spoken by a Thai.[/QUOTE]&3648; &3594; &3655; &3585; &3610; &3636; &3621; chekH binM phrase " (at a restaurant)"Check please."
[QUOTE=TConor;1483976]&3648; &3594; &3655; &3585; &3610; &3636; &3621; chekH binM phrase " (at a restaurant)"Check please."[/QUOTE]Those posts are three years back. I don't expect to trawl back that far.
[QUOTE=TConor;1483976]&3648; &3594; &3655; &3585; &3610; &3636; &3621; chekH binM phrase " (at a restaurant)"Check please."[/QUOTE]If you mean to say "check please" in Thai at a restaurant, you say "check bin khrap," or "check bin duay khrap," or "gep taang khrap," or gep taang duay khrap." You add khrap to say it politely as in "please."
W is correct that the Thai's have trouble pronouncing "l" at the end of a word, so they would pronounce bill as bin, just as they pronounce school as sa-kuun, so I don't believe it's a myth.
"Bin" means the Eglish loan word "bill" in Thai.
http://www.thai-language.com/id/131648
[QUOTE=Bunky; 1483813]Just my opinion:
If you are truly paranoid, you can check each slip as it is added to your bin. (Discretely, of course. Again, you don't want to look like a Cheap Charlie.) But if you insist on paying for each round individually you're going to annoy with waitress and reinforce a pernicious stereotype.
Bunky[/QUOTE]I've gotten into the habit of always looking at any new entries to the bin. If I can glance at it I will, but I have no shame in pulling it out and reading it if necessary. I've never had any negative reactions from doing this, the worst that will happen is a waitress will appear at your elbow to explain the new entry. Typically everything is on the level, and I just drop the new check back in, and the waitress disappears. Obviously the staff notices in the extreme case, but I believe that just means you won't be subject to any dodgy entries. Caveat: While I do check the bin, I'm not stingy with my spending either. If your only ordering one drink, its not very complicated to manage.
Actual problems I've encountered:
5x : Get slip for group next to me [and vice versa I expect]
3x : Phantom drinks
10x : Miss-priced drinks [happy hour not applying, lady drink prices for walk in guests, ignoring discount cards, etc]
The most common place for a issue to occur is after you pay for your bin; You typically get your change back, but no receipt.
Many many times: Short changed blatantly
3x : Extra drink added to bin. I suppose this is a form of short changed, but if you protest, they produce the bin with the new drink on it. Happily this has happened at bars where the drinks had timestamps and it was easy to show the latest entry was just added at the register.
Depending on your level of moral righteousness: Take issues up to the cashier / manager to fix, otherwise its likely the scammer [fiscal entrepreneur] will pay you out of pocket to avoid notice by management. [Assuming it wasn't management orchestrating the high jinks, it typically isn't]. If there is an error with your bin, fix it immediately. Don't listen to wait staff who say they will fix the issue when you pay, they won't, they will disappear just making the issue even more complicated.
Some of the cashiers have difficulty with math. Not the 30+50+90=170 variety, but the 15% discount type. I had to send my change back [not joking] 6 times [each time it came back differently] at one bar.
Once you have a reputation [you ALWAYS have a reputation, and you WILL be remembered for "fixing" your bin], these issues will almost disappear. In fact, at one location that often has "issues" . The mamasan will look at my bin before I get it, and she has corrected issues on a few occasions before it gets to me.
[QUOTE=Bunky; 1483813]Just my opinion:. If you are truly paranoid, you can check each slip as it is added to your bin. (Discretely, of course. Again, you don't want to look like a Cheap Charlie.) But if you insist on paying for each round individually you're going to annoy with waitress and reinforce a pernicious stereotype.
Bunky[/QUOTE]I would rather be a Cheap Charlie than being scammed. You are out there to get a WG in the first place. Just because you look in the bin doesn't mean you a cheap charlie.
My first time in Pattaya, I landed up with extra slips in the bin. And this was in the MORNING getting a cup of coffee at a bar. The French owner came out from the back when I started protesting and took care of it. At that time, I didn't know it was not polite to protest loudly.
News Item: Popstar Rihanna's tweets last month, that explained, in graphic detail, what happened in a sex show she visited in Thailand has led Thai authorities to shut the place. The authorities said on Monday that they had arrested the owner who ran the show in Phuket. 'We will be more strict towards inappropriate shows, ' the local district police chief said.
Today I was with a girl that is about to visit her new "boyfriend", a young man in Europe for the first time. I was playing with Google Streets (wanted to see her city) and asked if she had seen already the home where she is going, to which she replied she actually did and that was it. To me, Google Streets is something amazing everytime I open it after all these years that it exists! She showed no curiosity or interest, and we are talking about a beautiful European destination. The same (lack of) enthousiasm she had toward the entire trip. Hope the "boyfriend" will have a compatible personality, as these indications of an "house plant" attitude are just scaring to me. BTW, decent lay and looks, but not stellar. 1K overnight.
[QUOTE=Marcos;1489046]She showed no curiosity or interest, and we are talking about a beautiful European destination.[/QUOTE]A good illustration of the ethnocentric nature of Thais.
I think this issue is better to be discussed here rather in the devoted BKK thread as long it is not linked into clubs, girls or whatever. Of course as a visitor I respect the culture and conducts of the countries I visit. My inner thoughts could tell me different but again as a visitor it is not my agenda to change anything. If my memory serves me correctly I believe one american citizen got a rather stiff verdict after insulting the King (or the family) in Thailand. Of course heavy diplomacy made him get off with a heavy fine and deportation instead of heavy banged upbroad time. So don't be insulting while in Thailand as that could, speaking to wrong people, get you into trouble. Many thais arent that picky tough but know who you talk to. I have no relations to the King of Thailand whatsoever but I do respect that people of his country do. I also respect my King in my country and I remember when our last King died back in 91, we more celebrated his life rather than feeling sad he was dead. Ofcourse sadness was a part of it as well. But he was a good man and a great symbol for our country and so will our next King of today also be treated. But our freedom of speach laws makes it all good to verbaly talk bad about him if some for some reasons dont like him. If you throw eggs at him then you better run because you can get atleast fined or time in jail..
[QUOTE=Skogis;1489301]I have no relations to the King of Thailand whatsoever.[/QUOTE]Wait a minute. Just one damn minute!
No relationship? None? Nada, absolutely nothing? And you waited 490 posts before telling us?
Jeez
[QUOTE=Skogis; 1489301]I think this issue is better to be discussed here rather in the devoted BKK thread as long it is not linked into clubs, girls or whatever.
I have no relations to the King of Thailand whatsoever but I do respect that people of his country do. I also respect my King in my country and I remember when our last King died back in 91, we more celebrated his life rather than feeling sad he was dead.
If you throw eggs at him then you better run because you can get atleast fined or time in jail.[/QUOTE]Skogis,
Thank you for the thoughtful, from the heart post; and thank you for moving the discussion to the proper thread. I can't speak for others, but in my mind our discussion was not an expression of attitudes about His Royal Majesty the King, but about the impact his death will have on the country and our peculiar interests. Personally, I am touched by the universal fondness Thais feel for him. I also have a high opinion of the two younger daughters. The oldest daughter has chosen a life path one would not expect. The son, the Crown Prince, appears to struggle coping with the burdens of his position. I do not envy anyone born into a royal family with high visibility and important obligations. Oh, and based on what I have seen of her, the Crown Prince's wife is stunning!
No doubt, when His Royal Majesty the King dies there will be an enormous outpouring of grief and a lingering sadness that will persist for some time. The majority of Thais have never experienced life without him. The question on everyone's mind is what will happen in the country after his death. A couple of Thais I know in the USA talked to me about this when he was released from the hospital, in which he had been living for an extended period of time, and returned to his home. My opinions are influences by what they have said to me, though we never got around to discussing the impact it will have on mongers. By the way, they do know how and how much I enjoy young Thai ladies on my visits to Bangkok. The gentleman grins a lot when we talk about it. His wife presses me for surprisingly explicit detail about my escapades. She clearly finds the descriptions most titillating. They've been living in the USA since college and are well assimilated.
PK
[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1489415]Wait a minute. Just one damn minute!
No relationship? None? Nada, absolutely nothing? And you waited 490 posts before telling us?
Jeez[/QUOTE]Well it took you 624 posts to find out I did not so I had to put it out in clear words. Relax now you know..
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1489446]. A couple of Thais I know in the USA talked to me about this when he was released from the hospital, in which he had been living for an extended period of time, and returned to his home.
PK[/QUOTE]Accdording to rumors, the reasons why the King had stayed in hospital for such a long time are not purely because of his age and health. There are things about the inner politics of the royal family that one gets to know only if curious enough to dig under the surface. Be reassured that with all the love they have to them, Thais do indeep gossip. But since this is not the right venue, I will not discuss further.
[QUOTE=Skogis;1489452]Relax[/QUOTE]Whoa, thanks, OK, that's better.
Well, rest assured, you'll always be a "royal" in at least one regard.
Guys,
My first post here, need some advice. Staying with friends at Somerset Apartments in following address, No 39 Soi Suanplu, South Sathorn Road Bangkok 10120, Thailand
I need a place within walking distance which offers at least BJ and / or full service. I don't really want to take any transport, just something very close by where I can duck out of the apartment for not more than an hour, unload, then come back.
Are there any suggestions?
[QUOTE=HappilyMarried; 1490399]Guys,
My first post here, need some advice. Staying with friends at Somerset Apartments in following address, No 39 Soi Suanplu, South Sathorn Road Bangkok 10120, Thailand
I need a place within walking distance which offers at least BJ and / or full service. I don't really want to take any transport, just something very close by where I can duck out of the apartment for not more than an hour, unload, then come back.
Are there any suggestions?[/QUOTE]The apartments have a free tuk tuk shuttle to Sala Daeng skytrain station, about a 5 minute drive. From there, Patpong is only a few hundred meters down Silom. You should be able to find someplace to unload there.
[QUOTE=HappilyMarried; 1490399]Guys,
My first post here, need some advice. Staying with friends at Somerset Apartments in following address, No 39 Soi Suanplu, South Sathorn Road Bangkok 10120, Thailand
I need a place within walking distance which offers at least BJ and / or full service. I don't really want to take any transport, just something very close by where I can duck out of the apartment for not more than an hour, unload, then come back.
Are there any suggestions?[/QUOTE]If you are indeed HappilyMarried, why in the Sam Hill are you on the site?
Just to throw the question out there.
[QUOTE=HappilyMarried; 1490399]Guys,
My first post here, need some advice. Staying with friends at Somerset Apartments in following address, No 39 Soi Suanplu, South Sathorn Road Bangkok 10120, Thailand
I need a place within walking distance which offers at least BJ and / or full service. I don't really want to take any transport, just something very close by where I can duck out of the apartment for not more than an hour, unload, then come back.
Are there any suggestions?[/QUOTE]Which floor and apartment number? I can send you a couple of girlfriends there. So you can even party with your friends.
Ever thought of walking down the road and have a look yourself? Or are you restricted into the apartment with no walking hour?
[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1490500]If you are indeed HappilyMarried, why in the Sam Hill are you on the site?
Just to throw the question out there.[/QUOTE]Hi,
You're right. There are no married guys who visit the LOS smiles for fun.
I'd be taking a guess but I suspect it's the middle class married guys who are keeping the "industry" healthy with their annual visits with mates to the country.
I knew it would be a catchy Nic.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1490494]The apartments have a free tuk tuk shuttle to Sala Daeng skytrain station, about a 5 minute drive. From there, Patpong is only a few hundred meters down Silom. You should be able to find someplace to unload there.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I am not familiar with that area but your suggestion seems very doable. I'll give it a shot.
[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1490531]Which floor and apartment number? I can send you a couple of girlfriends there. So you can even party with your friends.
Ever thought of walking down the road and have a look yourself? Or are you restricted into the apartment with no walking hour?[/QUOTE]I'm there with Thai friends (good girls) so need to be discrete. I do think the tuk tuk suggested earlier is a good idea.
Hi Guys,
I'm going to be in Thailand for (all of) December. Any recommendations on dating sites to set up a few contacts before I get there? I do contribute to this forum in terms of reviews and advice (check my profile) so would be very grateful for some feedback on a totally alien territory (SE Asia). Many thanks
Ripple
[QUOTE=Ripple67; 1491722]Hi Guys.
I'm going to be in Thailand for (all of) December. Any recommendations on dating sites to set up a few contacts before I get there? I do contribute to this forum in terms of reviews and advice (check my profile) so would be very grateful for some feedback on a totally alien territory (SE Asia). Many thanks
Ripple[/QUOTE]ThaiLoveLinks. Com.
ThaiFriendly. Com
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1491756]ThaiLoveLinks. Com.
ThaiFriendly. Com[/QUOTE]Thank you Paul. Will let you know how I get on.
I can second thaifriendly; I have had very good luck using it.
[QUOTE=Ripple67; 1491722]Hi Guys.
I'm going to be in Thailand for (all of) December. Any recommendations on dating sites to set up a few contacts before I get there? I do contribute to this forum in terms of reviews and advice (check my profile) so would be very grateful for some feedback on a totally alien territory (SE Asia). Many thanks
Ripple[/QUOTE]
A Vietnamese solution to the Bangkok traffic congestion problem:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfpny1mifs4[/url]
Just back after 2 months away. I am hearing lower Sukhumvit is getting quite bad for robberies from motorcycle riders. Is it exaggerated? Any advice?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1498314]Just back after 2 months away. I am hearing lower Sukhumvit is getting quite bad for robberies from motorcycle riders. Is it exaggerated? Any advice?[/QUOTE]10th of this month I get off from BKK. I have been stayed at Soi 97 and Soi 64, Sukhumvit road. Apparently I have been resided KM away from the Sukhumvit road (main). Sometimes used moto bike, sometimes I walked along these sois. But never been faced any incidents as you said.
If you consider these are lower Sukhumvit.
[QUOTE=Mua Tur; 1498489]10th of this month I get off from BKK. I have been stayed at Soi 97 and Soi 64, Sukhumvit road. Apparently I have been resided KM away from the Sukhumvit road (main). Sometimes used moto bike, sometimes I walked along these sois. But never been faced any incidents as you said.
If you consider these are lower Sukhumvit.[/QUOTE]No. By lower Sukhumwit I mean like Soi 2 up to Phrom Phong, or a little more. Soi 64 or 97 is Bang Chak (Jaak) and not a tourist area as such. Convenient Park Hotel is an option for quite cheap longer term stay. Do you have any other suggestions?
The warning came from a Ladyboy brother of a girl I know, who lives in Sukhumwit. No doubt there have been news items as well. Since being here I have noticed a quite strong police presence at night in Sukhumwit and in the darker Sois etc. Steps may have been taken by the authorities to stamp out the motor cycle rider robberies of tourists already.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1499743]No. By lower Sukhumwit I mean like Soi 2 up to Phrom Phong, or a little more. Soi 64 or 97 is Bang Chak (Jaak) and not a tourist area as such. Convenient Park Hotel is an option for quite cheap longer term stay. Do you have any other suggestions?[/QUOTE]There are another option for hotel just beside the wall of Punnabithi BTS is Marlen Lodge. Asking room rate is just below the Convenient Park. They have a Cha Cha Cha (Tango) dance club on their 1st floor, performing every evening (free for the borders). Even that I can not suggest for the rooms. Reference to the facilities & comforts of Convenient, it is highly expansive.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1499743]The warning came from a Ladyboy brother of a girl I know, who lives in Sukhumwit. No doubt there have been news items as well. Since being here I have noticed a quite strong police presence at night in Sukhumwit and in the darker Sois etc. Steps may have been taken by the authorities to stamp out the motor cycle rider robberies of tourists already.[/QUOTE]This time I stayed BKK for 50 days and certainly not in same hotel. I used different hotels for different online girls (wastage of different sims with money, alas!). Stayed for couple of days at Soi 23 (you know better) too; In late night me and my girl walked deeper through the soi, but never faced any incidents.
Thai capital tense as political rivals rally.
Bangkok (AFP). Tens of thousands of pro- and anti-government demonstrators massed in rival rallies in Bangkok on Sunday, as Thailand grappled with its most potent revival of street politics since bloody protests in 2010.
Police estimated that about 90,000 opponents of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and her crisis-hit administration had gathered in three sites in the city's historic centre, calling for her government to be toppled.
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/thai-capital-tense-political-rivals-rally-082233930.html[/url]
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Typhoon in the Philippines....
Political Unrest in Thailand.....
Crackdown in The Dominican Republic.....
Exuberant prices in Brazil......
Where to go now? Should I cancel my trip to BKK?
[QUOTE=Tiradentes; 1500308]Thai capital tense as political rivals rally.
Where to go now? Should I cancel my trip to BKK?[/QUOTE]Absolutely cancel your trip!
Next week I'll be arriving in BKK with glee and gusto! I'll happily take your share.
Seriously, other articles I've read claim the protests are occurring in designated locations and so far the protesters are complying; but guys living there witnessing events first hand are in a better position to comment. Look back a few posts and I believe you will find some posts confirming that the protests are having no impact on the parts of the city mongers flock to.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1500314]Absolutely cancel your trip!
Next week I'll be arriving in BKK with glee and gusto! I'll happily take your share.
Seriously, other articles I've read claim the protests are occurring in designated locations and so far the protesters are complying; but guys living there witnessing events first hand are in a better position to comment. Look back a few posts and I believe you will find some posts confirming that the protests are having no impact on the parts of the city mongers flock to.[/QUOTE]I was here when the city was burning, here for a Coup, here for a Curfew, here for part of the flooding period, big deal! Still had fun. During Curfew had to phone girls to come stay with me LT. That was my biggest problem. I wished I was here when the airport was closed so I could be stuck here with good excuse too!
Always collect a few girl phone numbers, just in case encounter a religious holiday when bars and MPs are closed.
BTW, SARS, Bird Flu scares were never an issue too. All these warnings by foreign governments to stay away are ludicrous. They are just covering their asses in case anything should ever happen to any one person.
You are more likely to be killed in a road smash, than be in danger by any of these so called problems.
I have seen before 10th November.
A small campaign in Silom. And all the demonstrators campaigned outskirt of the BKK city. No impact in the flow of normal life. No impact in regular transportation. Far far away from the area we need to be vibrant.
Here we go.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1500314]Absolutely cancel your trip!
Next week I'll be arriving in BKK with glee and gusto! I'll happily take your share.
Seriously, other articles I've read claim the protests are occurring in designated locations and so far the protesters are complying; but guys living there witnessing events first hand are in a better position to comment. Look back a few posts and I believe you will find some posts confirming that the protests are having no impact on the parts of the city mongers flock to.[/QUOTE]Shit I am live hear
If I not see the news I would never know what's going on in BKK I am live 800km away and it's all good and lots of pussy.
But I am stay in Nana on the 4 th Dec soon and will go out and get some more pussy.
I am hope lots of you will not come hear so I can get some cheap pussy and photos if lots come the price will go up.
I am think it's safer for you stay home.
Hots
arrived from chiang mai today. run into by taxi hotel in s'kvt low number sois was at the speed limit in mid-afternoon. meter fare baht 275 plus baht 50 airport fee and baht 75 tolls.
my inarticulate taxi driver muttered 'corruption, ' and 'mafia, ' all the way in and added 'southampton city good football."
this evening s'kvt street stalls thriving, if you can push your way through the arabs, the indians and the e. europeans all of whom think bargaining is a thoroughly aggressive process with no humour. no indication of any political trouble whatsoever.
gulivers deserted (one fl and three / four ir* couples playing pool)
*ir =instant relationship.
terminal 21 aeon bank disbursing funds w / o 150 baht charge, unless it was hidden.
bier garten packed. quick survey indicated every bloke could have had two girls each. at 1900 i spoke to a couple of fls complaining 'no customer today. ' st, two shot available at 800 baht.
massage ladies increasingly persistent outside their parlours,
as usual at the end of the month when the rent is due.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1500316]I wished I was here when the airport was closed so I could be stuck here with good excuse too![/QUOTE]This the only thing I concern. Airport closed. Have to stay my gal apartment then.
Another 4 days, counting down.
[QUOTE=Tiradentes;1500308]90, 000 opponents of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and her crisis-hit administration had gathered in three sites in the city's historic centre, calling for her government to be toppled.[/QUOTE]Hate to see her go. She's a hot piece of azz. (P) MILF. I wonder if Obama tapped that when he was there?
[QUOTE=Tiradentes;1500308]Crackdown in The Dominican Republic.[/QUOTE]Huh? What's going on there?
[QUOTE=Tiradentes;1500308]Where to go now? Should I cancel my trip to BKK?[/QUOTE]Check out my report on Nairobi. Lots of sweet ghetto booty for the price of a song!
I'm enrolled in a US State Dept program for international travelers. I tell them about a trip and they start sending me information. FYI, the just sent me an email alerting me to the protests. No recommendation to change my travel plans.
So it's official we can relax!
Oh, and I've noticed the baht has dropped in the last few days. At this moment it's 32.002 to the US$. Looks like I may be able to afford to upgrade a couple of escorts to a-level ladies.
[blue]Greetings Everyone,
I have a sofware modification called "Admin Forced Ignore" that allows me to add members to other member's Ignore List.
It functions exactly the same as your individual "Ignore List" in that you cannot see the posts by members who you add to your list, and they canot send you PMs.
The difference is that I control the usernames on each member's "Admin Forced Ignore" list.
This ability to stop combative members from viewing each other's posts has proven to be the #1 most effective method for quelling arguments.
I look at it like this: If you're too stubborn to place your antagonist's username on your own Ignore List, then I'll do it for you.
However, for those members who are insisent upon arguing with other members and fostering discord on this forum by deliberatly logging out, reading the comments posted by your antagonist, copying said post and then logging back in with the specific intent of responding to said post in your zeal to continue the discord, I have developed a special infraction titled "VAR. Violating Admin Ignore", the 1st violation of which will result in the member's banning for a week, and the 2nd time permanently.
Thanks,
Jax[/blue]
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1499958]What I described is how the forum works. There is no guess work involved. It is based entirely on facts. Two forum members, that I know of, have put me on their ignore lists. Now I can no longer see their posts and they can not see my posts. One of these individuals logged off, read one of my posts, copied it, logged back on and created a post in which he pasted the contents of my post and then went on to attack it. Jackson noticed this post, deleted the contents of the post and replaced it with a warning that if he ever did it again he would be banished from the forum.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Daddy07; 1499952]Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Syzygies is correct on this point and that PK is not. This problem all started when Jackson changed the forum software. He knows about it but has taken no steps to fix it.
As a matter of fact, Mr. Syzygies, you are the only poster on ISG whose posts I can't view unless I am signed out but I doubt that I'm on your ignore list or that you can't see my posts, as you have replied to mine on occasion. I just have to sign out to see them as I did in this instance. I signed out, came back without logging in, copied your post above, then signed in again and am responding here.
We know now that others are experiencing the same glitch but with different posters. It's a total mystery and I wish Jackson would do something about it. But it has nothing to do whatsoever with the ignore list function.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1499819]I'm no expert on how the forum is engineered, but this is what I think is going on. When someone adds you to his ignore list he will no longer see your posts, and you will no longer see his posts. By logging out and going back on the forum without logging back in you will be able to read the posts of the person who is ignoring you. However, be careful about using this as a way to read and replying to a post written by someone who has you on his ignore list. Jackson interprets this as a deliberate attempt to provoke the other person, and will delete your post with a warning that repeat offenses will get you permanently banned from the forum. Whether he will actually do this is another matter.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Admin; 1500602][blue]Greetings Everyone,
I have a sofware modification called "Admin Forced Ignore" that allows me to add members to other member's Ignore List.
It functions exactly the same as your individual "Ignore List" in that you cannot see the posts by members who you add to your list, and they canot send you PMs.
The difference is that I control the usernames on each member's "Admin Forced Ignore" list.
This ability to stop combative members from viewing each other's posts has proven to be the #1 most effective method for quelling arguments.
I look at it like this: If you're too stubborn to place your antagonist's username on your own Ignore List, then I'll do it for you.
However, for those members who are insisent upon arguing with other members and fostering discord on this forum by deliberatly logging out, reading the comments posted by your antagonist, copying said post and then logging back in with the specific intent of responding to said post in your zeal to continue the discord, I have developed a special infraction titled "VAR. Violating Admin Ignore", the 1st violation of which will result in the member's banning for a week, and the 2nd time permanently.
Thanks,
Jax[/blue][/QUOTE]Then this is needed on the Chiang Mai thread (poor Arthur Tick is taking a trashing there) or the Isaan thread or the almost defunct Livingstone's thread or any other thread "scorchin" is on. Since he always seem to find himself in bitching sessions with just about everyone on every thread he visits.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1500467]I'm enrolled in a US State Dept program for international travelers. I tell them about a trip and they start sending me information. FYI, the just sent me an email alerting me to the protests. No recommendation to change my travel plans.
So it's official we can relax!
Oh, and I've noticed the baht has dropped in the last few days. At this moment it's 32. 002 to the US$. Looks like I may be able to afford to upgrade a couple of escorts to a-level ladies.[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.bangkokbank.com/BangkokBank/WebServices/Rates/Pages/FX_Rates.aspx[/url]
[QUOTE=TConor;1500610][url]Http://www.bangkokbank.com/BangkokBank/WebServices/Rates/Pages/FX_Rates.aspx[/url][/QUOTE]Now the rate is THB32.069 to US$1. I think it's pretty clear the political unrest has caused the sudden drop so it will probably continue to go lower. Of course this is the official rate, which is not the rate we would get from a bank or money exchange service. Last I checked Superrich1965 was 31.75 at the sub branches. Several months ago I read that the smart guys are predicting the baht well eventually settle in at about 32. 4,
[QUOTE=Admin; 1500602][blue]Greetings Everyone,
I have a sofware modification called "Admin Forced Ignore" that allows me to add members to other member's Ignore List.[/QUOTE]Thank you, Jackson, for finally revealing this little secret. I know Amin prefers direct correspondence by the contact function, but I've done that about this on at least two separate occasions but received no response. Hence, the matter has remained a mystery until now.
Of course you have the absolute right to run your forum any way you like and I appreciate that. The mystery is why this important and rather draconian rule is not set forth and explained in the Forum Rules. If the purpose is to discourage and minimize arguments and antagonism it might be better to disclose your decision and reasoning in the rule book so that we can all benefit from it with knowledge of the consequences.
[QUOTE=Admin]It functions exactly the same as your individual "Ignore List" in that you cannot see the posts by members who you add to your list, and they canot send you PMs.[/QUOTE]Well, not quite. The individual 'Ignore List' function at least advises that the person you want to ignore has posted but you can't see it because he is on your ignore list. Also that person can still see your posts and does not know that he is on your ignore list. That's a big difference.
[QUOTE=Admin]The difference is that I control the usernames on each member's "Admin Forced Ignore" list.
This ability to stop combative members from viewing each other's posts has proven to be the #1 most effective method for quelling arguments.
I look at it like this: If you're too stubborn to place your antagonist's username on your own Ignore List, then I'll do it for you.[/QUOTE]That is all well and good, but there is still a big mystery here as to why this 'nuclear option' is employed in situations where there is no history whatsoever of any antagonism between the posters. In my own case, for example, Syzigies is the only poster whose posts I can't view so you have apparently forced him and I onto your nuclear 'Ignore List. ' But there is no history of any combative or argumentative posts between us; he's not on my ignore list; I'm not on his ignore list; he can view and respond to all my posts, but I can't view his.
Why is that? Can you fix it?
[QUOTE=Admin]However, for those members who are insisent upon arguing with other members and fostering discord on this forum by deliberatly logging out, reading the comments posted by your antagonist, copying said post and then logging back in with the specific intent of responding to said post in your zeal to continue the discord, I have developed a special infraction titled "VAR. Violating Admin Ignore", the 1st violation of which will result in the member's banning for a week, and the 2nd time permanently.
Thanks, Jax[/blue][/QUOTE]Once again, the 'VAR, ' as you call it is not in the ISG forum rules yet it seems important enough that it be explained there if the purpose is to discourage antagonistic conduct.
Here, I must confess that I'm guilty of 'VAR, ' having just recently committed the criminal act with respect to one of Syzigies posts – the same one which you reference in your Administrative post. Thank you for not banning me for a week this time and I assure you I'll not do it again now that I know the fatal consequences.
Please also forgive me for directing my comments on the forum instead of contacting Administration, but I've tried that method twice without any response.
Best regards, and with all due respect, Daddy07
[QUOTE=Admin; 1500602][blue]Greetings Everyone,
I have a software modification called "Admin Forced Ignore" that allows me to add members to other member's Ignore List.
However, for those members who are insistent upon arguing with other members and fostering discord on this forum by deliberately logging out, reading the comments posted by your antagonist, copying said post and then logging back in with the specific intent of responding to said post in your zeal to continue the discord, I have developed a special infraction titled "VAR. Violating Admin Ignore", the 1st violation of which will result in the member's banning for a week, and the 2nd time permanently.
Thanks,
Jax[/blue][/QUOTE]Ah ha! I didn't realize this was something Jackson created for his use. I thought the other rascals were ignoring me. I didn't realize it was all Jackson's doing. ;)
So now I wonder how the regular ignore function works. If I designate someone to be ignored will neither of us see the other's posts? It would seem someone could use this same method to circumvent a member's use of the ignore function. Would that person also be banned?
Personally, I don't get offended when people get after me. It does me no harm. I don't take them seriously. They usually make me laugh; and I intend my replies to be laughed at. However, I understand people have different degrees of sensitivity. Some people are hurt when they are attacked, especially if there is no reason for the attack other than to make the person feel bad. It is nice to see that when some rude curmudgeon unfairly goes after a particular forum member decent fellows on the forum come to the victims defense.
I can understand the need to keep the bickering under control, otherwise the forum would degenerate and membership would drop.
By the way, I stumbled upon a way to make smilies work. In the past when I inserted the appropriate characters such as a semi-colon and close parenthesis, when I would upload the report the characters would be deleted and there would be no smilies. However, if after posting the report I can use the edit function to insert the characters, when I upload the edited report the smilies appear. Boy am I proud of myself for figuring that out.
I can also use this technique to get rid of the space inserted into a string of numbers with a decimal point.
[QUOTE=Naked Gunz; 1500437]Hate to see her go. She's a hot piece of azz. (P) MILF. I wonder if Obama tapped that when he was there?
![/QUOTE]Negative. Obama is said to be gay.
[QUOTE=Noddy;1500781]Negative. Obama is said to be gay.[/QUOTE]There is some real crap stupid right wing Republican crap posted on here.
Get with it. He is the President of the USA and black, brown, white, catholic. Protestant or whatever . No way is he gay.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1500642]By the way, I stumbled upon a way to make smilies work. In the past when I inserted the appropriate characters such as a semi-colon and close parenthesis, when I would upload the report the characters would be deleted and there would be no smilies. However, if after posting the report I can use the edit function to insert the characters, when I upload the edited report the smilies appear. Boy am I proud of myself for figuring that out.
I can also use this technique to get rid of the space inserted into a string of numbers with a decimal point.[/QUOTE]Most of us have known this for a very long time. ;) The forum has an automatic spelling corrupter, that stuffs up lots of words and puts in silly words that were not intended. The best thing to do before posting, is to do a "Select All", then "Copy" (to copy buffer area). After posting and your post has been corrupted (it always is) , you simply Edit, remove the entire contents of the text, and paste the whole post text you copied back into the post and Save.
All the automatic corruptions are then undone. Its always a good idea to Copy entire text of a post anyway in case the forum malfunctions after you typed a lot.
With this approach you don't have to individually correct each corruption done by the automatic software in turn. You achieve it all in one hit. :D
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1500639]Ah ha! I didn't realize this was something Jackson created for his use. I thought the other rascals were ignoring me. I didn't realize it was all Jackson's doing. .
So now I wonder how the regular ignore function works. If I designate someone to be ignored will neither of us see the other's posts? It would seem someone could use this same method to circumvent a member's use of the ignore function. Would that person also be banned?[/QUOTE]At least you are admitting there is a chance you don't know everything after all. We all have our theories, but sometimes they don't cover all behaviours. None of us understand all the forum malfunctions fully.
Lets perform a simple test. Can you read my posts?
Here is what an ignore list person's post looks like:
[Quote]
Paul Kausch
Senior Member
[b]This message is hidden because Paul Kausch is on your ignore list.[/b]
View Post.
Remove user from ignore list
[/Quote]
I doubt that this was the behaviour that Scorchin was seeing when he described missing posts.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1500947]Most of us have known this for a very long time. ;)[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Syzygies;1500951]At least you are admitting there is a chance you don't know everything after all.[/QUOTE]I know enough to realize how little I know. Sometimes I do stupid very. I think its hilarious when after 600 plus posts I finally figure out some really simple things.
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1500951.
I doubt that this was the behaviour that Scorchin was seeing when he described missing posts.[/QUOTE]
Chiang Mai thread. When I open ISG I get three columns, the country, the area or thread subject and the name of the last per on to post.
I see A Tick has posted.
I open Chiang Mai thread and this post is not shown.
Whilst I agree with PK that only wimps can put people on their ignore list (and thus avoid reading my posts) but cannot understand why I cannot read their posts.
But, as I said earlier, I can't be *rs*the to go through any devious hoops to find the answer.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1501023]I know enough to realize how little I know. Sometimes I do stupid very. I think its hilarious when after 600 plus posts I finally figure out some really simple things.[/QUOTE]So the Ignore Function was not bi-directional after all? You were on my Ignore List for a period of the test. LOL. Yet you could still see my post, as expected.
[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1501029]Chiang Mai thread. When I open ISG I get three columns, the country, the area or thread subject and the name of the last per on to post.
I see A Tick has posted.
I open Chiang Mai thread and this post is not shown.
Whilst I agree with PK that only wimps can put people on their ignore list (and thus avoid reading my posts) but cannot understand why I cannot read their posts.
But, as I said earlier, I can't be *rs*the to go through any devious hoops to find the answer.[/QUOTE]I described the behaviour exactly to this well known Forum problem, we gave you the answer straight off, but you didn't want it. You liked the "Ignore List" Red Herring.
The real reason people use Ignore Lists can be simple like someone is on a mobile phone device which squashes and elongates posts, and doesn't want to scroll though massive amounts of text when someone posts really large reports. So someone potentially could have put Kumbu on an ignore list just because too lazy to read his very extended reports. Admin can envisage many purposes for Ignore function. Its ignorant to label everyone that uses "Ignore" as whimps. Its often just about being too lazy to read or scroll through a large quantity of total rubbish that has been produced in the past by total raving nutters. We have had some of these, perhaps not so much recently. WestBySun was one I found to write totally senseless rubbish. Thankfully the total nutters eventually go away or get banned for disobeying the rules very blatantly. Everyone has the right to use "Ignore" function if they choose. It does not affect you at all.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1501070]So the Ignore Function was not bi-directional after all? You were on my Ignore List for a period of the test. LOL. Yet you could still see my post, as expected.[/QUOTE]I knew you were a clever rascal.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1501079]I knew you were a clever rascal.[/QUOTE]Just been on the forum too many years.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1501081]Just been on the forum too many years.[/QUOTE]Glad your still posting away. :)
Today had a political demonstration outside Terminal 21 in Sukhumvit. Was very hard to get a taxi willing to go from Soi 19 to Emporium. Getting a motorcycle was still easy as they can use back Sois easily.
Also had a scholl marching band going along Sukhumvit Road near Soi 31 going towards Asoke. Not sure if relevant to the demonstration.
Since I live off Soi 19 you are 100% correct. Abhisit and his crowd marched from the Asoke Station to the USA Embassy. For what darn purpose does the USA got to do with these muddled politics is beyond me. Other than USA being the face of Satan (but everyone, or a lot, want in). Abhisit posted a picture of his self riding Sky Train on his face book telling folks to follow him to the embassy.
The Asoke station, Chidlom station and Siam Stations are favorite meeting grounds for the Sutep / Abhisit crowd. According to the BTS Supervisor I am seeing on the side.
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1501936]Today had a political demonstration outside Terminal 21 in Sukhumvit. Was very hard to get a taxi willing to go from Soi 19 to Emporium. Getting a motorcycle was still easy as they can use back Sois easily.
Also had a scholl marching band going along Sukhumvit Road near Soi 31 going towards Asoke. Not sure if relevant to the demonstration.[/QUOTE]
Suvarnabhumi Airport opened a special telephone number to get information about service interruptions: 02 132 9999
It is available day and night.
Unless of course, that service gets interrupted ... ;)
[QUOTE=Noddy;1500781]Negative. Obama is said to be gay.[/QUOTE]I doubt it but he does support gay marriage. Meanwhile, any big boob sightings in BKK or HKT? No trannys. I will be there Dec 23. Jan 1. If anyone wants to meet up for a Christmas brew and swap stories kindly let me know!
[QUOTE=D Cups;1502770]I doubt it but he does support gay marriage. Meanwhile, any big boob sightings in BKK or HKT? No trannys. I will be there Dec 23. Jan 1. If anyone wants to meet up for a Christmas brew and swap stories kindly let me know![/QUOTE]There are always some big tits around somewhere. Crazy House has one girl with big natural (I think) tits that are possibly a D cup.
[QUOTE=D Cups;1502770]I doubt it but he does support gay marriage. Meanwhile, any big boob sightings in BKK or HKT? No trannys. I will be there Dec 23. Jan 1. If anyone wants to meet up for a Christmas brew and swap stories kindly let me know![/QUOTE]Try Soi 13/1. She works in go go on that Soi. Bolt ons. BTW there is also a 1/2 Brazilian. 1/2 Thai there too. Should not be hard to find.
[QUOTE=Jgm005;1501972](...) According to the BTS Supervisor I am seeing on the side.[/QUOTE]Oooh, a girl in uniform. How did you met her?
Yes, I do have a thing for a girl in a uniform. Friday night it was a government worker and she said I go home change before I see you. I said no need to and she showed up in her official uniform. Wednesday is the day I am looking forward too. A anesthesia nurse from Sakeo is driving 200km to meet up. As from where? Thai Friendly.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1502830]Oooh, a girl in uniform. How did you met her?[/QUOTE]
Thanks, NG. I'll report on her if I find her.
[QUOTE=Naked Gunz;1502791]Try Soi 13/1. She works in go go on that Soi. Bolt ons. BTW there is also a 1/2 Brazilian. 1/2 Thai there too. Should not be hard to find.[/QUOTE]
OK thanks Syz. I appreciate the tip.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1502774]There are always some big tits around somewhere. Crazy House has one girl with big natural (I think) tits that are possibly a D cup.[/QUOTE]
has anyone seen the army interrupt all channels today affer lunch for a long speech. that was a little chilling.
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/tourism/381816/23-countries-issue-special-travel-advice-on-thailand-political-protests[/url]
Twenty-three countries have issued special travel advice urging citizens visiting Thailand to be cautious, but protest leaders insist their actions will not damage tourism and are offering to explain their cause to international observers. Anti-government protesters take control of Ratchadamnoen Avenue, an area many countries suggested their citizens to avoid. (Photo by Thanarak Khoonton)
The Foreign Ministry on Tuesday unveiled a survey of 68 countries, of which 23 are warning travellers about political protests in Thailand. The countries that have issued travel advisory notices include the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Japan, China, Taiwan, South Korea and Singapore. Only South Korea had updated information to its citizens on Tuesday, while the United States, France, Italy, Sweden, Denmark, Norway and China last amended their information for travellers on Monday, according to the ministry.
Most of the 23 countries have issued general warnings telling their citizens about ongoing political protests in Thailand, although a number have specified areas to be avoided, including the US which suggests Americans should be careful near government agencies. Brazil has cautioned its nationals against visiting the Grand Palace and areas surrounding protest rallies at Democracy Monument. Diplomats from 56 countries and representatives of six international organisations were at the ministry on Tuesday for a briefing on the political situation after the government decided to impose the Internal Security Act (ISA) across all districts of Bangkok and Nonthaburi. Bang Phli district of Samut Prakan and Lat Lum Kaeo district of Pathum Thani have also been placed under the act.
Sihasak Phuangketkao, permanent secretary for foreign affairs, told the diplomats why the ISA had been invoked and urged them not to alarm potential visitors to the country by making sure any travel advisory statements are factually correct. Mr Sihasak said the 23 countries that have issued travel warnings have not prohibited citizens from visiting Thailand, but merely told travellers to avoid protest locations. Protest spokesman Akanat Promphan said the rallies would not deter tourists from coming to Thailand since they are being help peacefully without weapons.
He said protesters will not try to shut down Suvarnabhumi airport to force government out of office. The airport is in Bang Phli, which is already under the ISA. Mr Akanat called on other countries and international organisations including the United Nations to observe the protests. Protest leaders are ready to explain the need to bring to an end to the 'Thaksin regime' to help them understand the situation, he added.
Hey guys, been a while since been over there. Wondering what the difference is in prices of laptops of similar spec in Thailand compared to UK? Could buy new one here for leaving UK on Saturday or wait til I get to Bangkok or Pattaya. Any thoughts?
Thanks.
JohnTheScot
[QUOTE=Johnthescot; 1504196]Hey guys, been a while since been over there. Wondering what the difference is in prices of laptops of similar spec in Thailand compared to UK? Could buy new one here for leaving UK on Saturqday or wait til I get to Bangkok or Pattaya. Any thoughts?
Thanks.
JohnTheScot[/QUOTE]Selection is poorer and prices are higher. You can recoup a little with vat refund but you will be stuck with the Thai keyboard. If you need something to stay connected buy a tablet, no keyboard and prices are more competitive.
[QUOTE=Marcos;1504308]Selection is poorer and prices are higher. You can recoup a little with vat refund but you will be stuck with the Thai keyboard. If you need something to stay connected buy a tablet, no keyboard and prices are more competitive.[/QUOTE]However when buying a phone or a tablet, remember that Thailand does not yet have 4G. So 3G is the best device you will get.
[QUOTE=Marcos;1504308]Selection is poorer and prices are higher. You can recoup a little with vat refund but you will be stuck with the Thai keyboard. If you need something to stay connected buy a tablet, no keyboard and prices are more competitive.[/QUOTE]Thanks Marcos. Have an iPad and iPhone but was planning on getting a new laptop for work anyway and just wondered if should wait til I got there. Guess I'll just buy one in Uk tomorrow and find a nice gogo bar with wifi on Sunday to set it up while watching lovely young ladies. .
John
Just comparing ISG photo threads of Vietnam vs Thailand, it's a slam dunk in favor of Vietnam females IMO.
The percentage of hot P4P ladies is higher with Viet ladies in Singapore than what you see with TGs in LOS.
From the relatively few VN women I've been with, their top performers actually bested anything I've had in Siam.
The top performing 3 star hotels in VN also seem to offer way more value than in the land of the Shins.
Many large protest gatherings today. Traffic seriously disrupted. Procession from Phrom pong heading to Asoke has just past. Not much cars on Sukhumwit road mainly motorcycles.
Large gathering at Sukhumwit patumwan and another at Silom. All the processions are leading to converge on the central government house official residence ( Thai equivalent of the Whitehouse), phitsanulok road central Bangkok.
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1505730]Many large protest gatherings today. Traffic seriously disrupted. Procession from Phrom pong heading to Asoke has just past. Not much cars on Sukhumwit road mainly motorcycles.
Large gathering at Sukhumwit patumwan and another at Silom. All the processions are leading to converge on the central government house official residence (Thai equivalent of the Whitehouse) , phitsanulok road central Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Things could get interesting:
Thai Premier Seeks to Dissolve Parliament.
Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra on Monday said she has asked for royal approval to dissolve the country's Parliament and call fresh elections as soon as possible in a bid to defuse Thailand's worsening political crisis.
Protest leader Suthep Thaugsuban, a former deputy prime minister, urged the people of Bangkok to take to the streets in a fresh push to curb the influence of Mr. Thaksin, whom they accuse of running the country from his self-imposed exile.
The opposition's move to abandon Parliament threatened to propel Thailand—Southeast Asia's second-largest economy—into further chaos. It also raised the possibility that the Democrats might opt to boycott any new election, creating a potential constitutional crisis.
It is unclear whether the Democrat Party will participate in the new election, which many analysts say Ms. Yingluck's ruling Pheu Thai Party is likely to win thanks to its strong support base in Thailand's rural heartlands. The Democrats boycotted a national vote in 2006, shortly before the coup that removed Mr. Thaksin, leading Thai courts to nullify a snap election that he had called to dissipate protests against his often heavy-handed rule. In many electoral districts, voter turnout failed to meet minimum levels mandated by Thai election laws.
Joshua Kurlantzick, a senior fellow at the Washington-based Council on Foreign Relations, was among those who predicted that many Democrat Party politicians won't endorse the election. The party hasn't won a national poll since 1992."They want a return to an unelected or technocratic government somehow," he said.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1505740]The opposition's move to abandon Parliament threatened to propel Thailand—Southeast Asia's second-largest economy—into further chaos. It also raised the possibility that the Democrats might opt to boycott any new election, creating a potential constitutional crisis.
It is unclear whether the Democrat Party will participate in the new election, which many analysts say Ms. Yingluck's ruling Pheu Thai Party is likely to win thanks to its strong support base in Thailand's rural heartlands.[/QUOTE]The problem with an election, is getting a fair one. Many simple rural people, quite comfortable with corruption, can be paid to vote for the current Government. The fact that corruption and crazy schemes is helping bankrupt Thailand, seems to be beyond their thought process. All (most) the village heads have thrived on corruption for so long.
Meanwhile Sukhumvit seems to be flowing okay now that procession has moved well past.
Is it safe to come to Thailand during this time of political unrest & naval gazing? Yes, as always.
"Nothing can scare tourists away from Thailand. Just like you can't scare flies away from a fresh turd."
"An excellent line for TAT to use in an advertising campaign."
"A change in government only means that another troop of chimps can come in and raid the coffers for a while."
So it's business as usual, with P4P gals upping their rates to compensate for lack of customers.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1505740]Things could get interesting:
Thai Premier Seeks to Dissolve Parliament.
Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra.[/QUOTE]I'd do her! Wonder if she gives good head of state!
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1505857]Is it safe to come to Thailand during this time of political unrest & naval gazing? Yes, as always.
"Nothing can scare tourists away from Thailand. Just like you can't scare flies away from a fresh turd."
So it's business as usual, with P4P gals upping their rates to compensate for lack of customers.[/QUOTE]Apart from the first two remarks contradicting the third, why would anyone with any experience of LOS pay higher rates knowing there were less customers to go around? Have you ever tried the 'walk away' tactic with the cash-strapped ying? Pussy is a commodity, the law of supply and demand is universal. Negotiate!
See you at the fire sales next week!
[QUOTE=Oliver Kitsoff; 1506391]Apart from the first two remarks contradicting the third, why would anyone with any experience of LOS pay higher rates knowing there were less customers to go around? Have you ever tried the 'walk away' tactic with the cash-strapped ying? Pussy is a commodity, the law of supply and demand is universal. Negotiate!
See you at the fire sales next week![/QUOTE]It is fairly well known that girls try to get more money than usual when business is down. It is not always easy to get fire sale prices. Depends how desperate the girl is and how smart. Some girls just refuse to drop prices. You will also be considered an a hole for trying to take advantage of low business so may not get best service if your price is too low. It's more about keeping the girl in a good mood than fire sales.
The law of supply and demand works well for goods but not so well for services. Cut the money you probably get a cut service. Pay well over the expected rate and you don't necessarily get extra service. You just get the girl very keen to repeat and give you priority if she is in demand.
[QUOTE=Oliver Kitsoff; 1506391]Apart from the first two remarks contradicting the third, why would anyone with any experience of LOS pay higher rates knowing there were less customers to go around? Have you ever tried the 'walk away' tactic with the cash-strapped ying? Pussy is a commodity, the law of supply and demand is universal. Negotiate!
See you at the fire sales next week![/QUOTE]Well, not really. Let's take the oilies for example. There are far more than there were 5 years ago and logic would dictate that service levels would be improving because of competition. The opposite is true. Why? There are some shops that don't really have service standards. CBJs are tolerated, etc. Therefore the better looking girls flock to the shops where they can do less and the PSE shops can no longer require that "all girls do everything," as every semi-looker would leave if they did. So the competition has actually been a losing game for the consumer.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1505857]Is it safe to come to Thailand during this time of political unrest & naval gazing? Yes, as always.
"Nothing can scare tourists away from Thailand. Just like you can't scare flies away from a fresh turd."
"An excellent line for TAT to use in an advertising campaign."
"A change in government only means that another troop of chimps can come in and raid the coffers for a while."
So it's business as usual, with P4P gals upping their rates to compensate for lack of customers.[/QUOTE]BKK is very slow with tourists for this time of year. It should be heaving.
You seem to ramble on so often and I have short attention span but this caught my eye.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1506574]You will also be considered an a hole for trying to take advantage of low business so may not get best service if your price is too low. It's more about keeping the girl in a good mood than fire sales.[/QUOTE]So what are you saying? If I want a girl I have to keep her in a good mood in order to pay the low market rate?
I think, if she fails to perform the door will hit her ass on the way out and she would leave with less than she thought she would receive.
Were you thinking something different?
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1506590]Well, not really. Let's take the oilies for example. There are far more than there were 5 years ago and logic would dictate that service levels would be improving because of competition. The opposite is true. Why? There are some shops that don't really have service standards. CBJs are tolerated, etc. Therefore the better looking girls flock to the shops where they can do less and the PSE shops can no longer require that "all girls do everything," as every semi-looker would leave if they did. So the competition has actually been a losing game for the consumer.[/QUOTE]I also tend to believe that over 50% of the business is made by one-off or non repeat customers, by default, not by customer strategy not to return in a place where he did not get much. Definition of "much" has also to be defined. What is the general tourist monger expecting? How many people expects just a HJ at a massage?
There is a high turn over of tourists coming and going every day in BKK. The majority is a new comer and might not come back anyhow.
So the service is just average as anyhow the MP has achieved what they look for: add another number (customer) to the daily count and then "who's next?" - they are certain less service oriented to acquire a regular clientele.
The next will be another occasional customer and so on so and so on.
Probably if you repeat, and you have to make yourself identified as repeat customer, etiher with the reception or with the girl, this means at least 3-4 times, you will be "the customer".
You might not repeat if the first time the service was louzym but sometime you factor it to a specific moment and gieve them another chance. So you go a second time.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1506574]It is fairly well known that girls try to get more money than usual when business is down.[/QUOTE]I have been goin to BKK from 2009 (GFC ground zero) until early 2012 I never saw a price hike. I usually ask and get B1000 short time, cum twice, take pics. When I find one like this and if she is any good, I'm 'loyal' I'll see her again, let her sleep over, buy room service, but the deal is B1000. She knows she's getting a luxury stayover, royal thai food, and B1000 still goes a very long way in TG land. I also generally set the girls at ease and buy them drinks and to be honest try to get them a little tipsy, I can make them laugh, and have basic thai so by the time I get to the room she's a tipsy GFE. I give taxi tips, I buy their cigarettes, I have even bought azithromycin for one with signs of an infection.
[QUOTE]It is not always easy to get fire sale prices. Depends how desperate the girl is and how smart. Some girls just refuse to drop prices. You will also be considered an a hole for trying to take advantage of low business so may not get best service if your price is too low. It's more about keeping the girl in a good mood than fire sales.
[QUOTE/] Which I've just explained how to do. Sure I still 'pay' in other ways, but my extras 'lubricate' or 'sweeten' the deal rather than 'here's B2000 now here's my list of sexual demands'
[QUOTE]The law of supply and demand works well for goods but not so well for services. Cut the money you probably get a cut service. Pay well over the expected rate and you don't necessarily get extra service. You just get the girl very keen to repeat and give you priority if she is in demand.[/QUOTE]Perhaps, and there is some merit to your argument Syzygies, but when you do the walk away (with a smile) you leave the door open to getting a good price a little later in the evening if she does no better, or going back and eating a little crow just to eat some pussy, but I'd hazard that this would likely be the time you'll get less bang for your buck, because, she won the baht game.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1506591]BKK is very slow with tourists for this time of year. It should be heaving.[/QUOTE]That's good to hear & not surprising in light of the protests, Chinese fear of them, Russians boycotting, travel warnings by dozens of countries, news reports of ongoing violence in BKK & other areas of LOS. It could easily escalate into total chaos, civil war, attacks against foreigners. There have also been bombings around New Years in recent years.
Therefore anyone with travel plans to the area might consider making some alternate arrangements in case all hell breaks loose before they arrive, such as a cheap air asia ticket to another SEA destination. Or just not come at all.
Personally, though, I find the low slow seasons are significantly preferable to the high busy periods, so if things don't get any more insane than they already are, that's a plus.
I am considering retirement next year at age 54. Having visited several places in the world, I am giving some consideration to 3 places. Angeles city PI, Chiang Mai Thailand, or Medellin Colombia.
Having visited all 3 places several times in the past, and upon drawing up lists as to the merits of each location, I have one concern I would like to ask a Retired person in similar circumstance.
I would like to know your long term thoughts of living in a place that you have only visited on vacation, as compared to long term retirement living. More to the point.
1. In AC / Medellin (less so Chiang Mai) for example, are you still going out hitting the bars 3 plus nights a week 1 year into retirement?
2. Do most Expats end up hitting the Bars early in Retirement and then settling down with a steady GF after a few months?
3. Does what seem like a great place for vacation turn out to be a very boring place after a few months?
In essence, does the appeal of the "monger scene" lose its luster after you live there.
Additional data. Do not consider monthly budget as a factor when responding. Also. My plan is to always rent in all locations.
Not looking so much for Opine on location. But sage advice I. E. Short vacation vs long term reality.
Where would you recommend to go if you are looking for good golf Courses and P4P?
Please PM me.
/Kirsia
While I've never been to your two other choices, I'm please with my move to CM. I came here first on holiday and decided to return for longer stays to look more closely. I spent ten years in Bali and would monger 2-4 times a week there (I'm almost 62) and while I do partake most every day in Bangkok, I've only mongered about once a month here. The quality and cost is different than Bali and most importantly for me there is plenty to do here. There's something going on most every night of the week and special festivals every two weeks. The everyday food is good and cheap, for higher quality food there is not so much. There have been no big surprises for me from holidaying to living, but that is for me and I've also lived 10 years in SE Asia. At the other end of the spectrum, Bali is a great place to holiday, but boring as hell to live. I'm very pleased here.
Hope this helps,
- jij.
[QUOTE=ZipGun6; 1507238]I am considering retirement next year at age 54. Having visited several places in the world, I am giving some consideration to 3 places. Angeles city PI, Chiang Mai Thailand, or Medellin Colombia.
Having visited all 3 places several times in the past, and upon drawing up lists as to the merits of each location, I have one concern I would like to ask a Retired person in similar circumstance.
I would like to know your long term thoughts of living in a place that you have only visited on vacation, as compared to long term retirement living. More to the point.
1. In AC / Medellin (less so Chiang Mai) for example, are you still going out hitting the bars 3 plus nights a week 1 year into retirement?
2. Do most Expats end up hitting the Bars early in Retirement and then settling down with a steady GF after a few months?
3. Does what seem like a great place for vacation turn out to be a very boring place after a few months?
In essence, does the appeal of the "monger scene" lose its luster after you live there.
Additional data. Do not consider monthly budget as a factor when responding. Also. My plan is to always rent in all locations.
Not looking so much for Opine on location. But sage advice I. E. Short vacation vs long term reality.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jijjy; 1508113]While I've never been to your two other choices, I'm please with my move to CM. I came here first on holiday and decided to return for longer stays to look more closely. I spent ten years in Bali and would monger 2-4 times a week there (I'm almost 62) and while I do partake most every day in Bangkok, I've only mongered about once a month here. The quality and cost is different than Bali and most importantly for me there is plenty to do here. There's something going on most every night of the week and special festivals every two weeks. The everyday food is good and cheap, for higher quality food there is not so much. There have been no big surprises for me from holidaying to living, but that is for me and I've also lived 10 years in SE Asia. At the other end of the spectrum, Bali is a great place to holiday, but boring as hell to live. I'm very pleased here.
Hope this helps,
- jij.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your post. I too have been interested in CM. However, I have heard that they burn the sugar cane fields starting about February and continues for a considerable time frame, if I remember correctly. I don't know how much of the area is affected by it, but I have heard it is nasty. If you have any knowledge of that I would like to hear about it or hopefully you can update us on that when it happens. Good luck in your new location.
While I've never heard sugar cane, there is burn off and it is nasty. I did experience it last year, still too I decided to make this home. I've never been to PI, but my brother has and say's that it's just filth there. He too decided to live in Thailand after a year or more in PI, but in Hua Hin. To each their own, but there is no comparison for me of Colombia to Asia, especially the women and food, but thank God we all have different wants.
- jij.
[QUOTE=Hobbyist2;1508171]Thank you for your post. I too have been interested in CM. However, I have heard that they burn the sugar cane fields starting about February and continues for a considerable time frame, if I remember correctly. I don't know how much of the area is affected by it, but I have heard it is nasty. If you have any knowledge of that I would like to hear about it or hopefully you can update us on that when it happens. Good luck in your new location.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kirsia123; 1508098]Where would you recommend to go if you are looking for good golf Courses and P4P?
Please PM me.
/Kirsia[/QUOTE]Any particular side of LOS you are interested in seeing / staying?
Pattaya has a VERY active golf clubs / bars where there is all transport / green, caddy fees posted right outside their door. No need to detail the p4p here ....
A no brainer . Just show up a couple days early, pay your transport fees (garantees your spot) , then show up at the bar ussally between 9-11'ish am returning anywhere from 4-6pm.
Just google : Pattaya sports club
[QUOTE=]. How many tourists in LOS are single men.
Discussion about politics and military coups is irrelevent to the tourism industry.
Prostitution (male and female) has been the bread & butter of this countries foreign exchange takings for decades.
Take prostitutes out of the equation and Pattaya, Hua Hin Bangkok will become ghost towns.
It would also cause a massive decline in T / T remittances to all Isan provinces.
The government would be forced to look after those idiots instead of farangs.[/QUOTE]Hopefully other SEA countries will pay serious attention to this & start allowing their "natural resources" to be mined.
Especially Vietnam. It's such a waste.
[QUOTE=Hobbyist2;1508171]However, I have heard that they burn the sugar cane fields starting about February and continues for a considerable time frame, if I remember correctly.[/QUOTE]It's more than just cane, and it's godawful. Starts around February and goes on till the rains bring some relief around July. Combined with the hot season heat, smog, and dust, it's pretty unbearable. In fact several old friends there are finally leaving the place due to concerns about the air quality on their children.
People tend to visit CM for the first time in the cool season and they think, ah, this is nice weather, I could live here. But anybody who wants to live there full-time should first check it out during the other eight or nine months of the year.
[QUOTE=Betong; 1509834]It's more than just cane, and it's godawful. Starts around February and goes on till the rains bring some relief around July. Combined with the hot season heat, smog, and dust, it's pretty unbearable. In fact several old friends there are finally leaving the place due to concerns about the air quality on their children.
People tend to visit CM for the first time in the cool season and they think, ah, this is nice weather, I could live here. But anybody who wants to live there full-time should first check it out during the other eight or nine months of the year.[/QUOTE]Does it start before, on or after CM Flower Festival weekend (first weekend of February)?
Where in Bangkok can I buy some ding dong? I'm planning a trip to Vietnam next year & would like about 7 million. I'm hoping to walk in the bank a pauper & walk out a millionaire.
Do you think TGs will accept 1000 dong in place of 1000 baht, or are they too bright for that.
To bank teller: I want some ding dong.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1509997]Where in Bangkok can I buy some ding dong? I'm planning a trip to Vietnam next year & would like about 7 million. I'm hoping to walk in the bank a pauper & walk out a millionaire.[/QUOTE]
If you absolutely have to get VND Bangkok, then Super Rich in a small soi near Big C Rachadamri (across from Central World) is your best bet. Availability varies, I got my big dong there once, but they were out of stock the second time around. If that fails, I'd try Sukhumwit Soi 3/1 (Soi Arab) -- there are a dozen small exchange places and they stock all kinds of oddities (once upon a time I needed loonie and toonie coins, and yup, found them there).
It's far easier to exchange THB for VND once you're in Vietnam (Saigon at least. Probably not easy out in the boonies). However, the rate for THB cash is not amazing, you will do much better to exchange USD cash... or use an ATM card. Thai ATM cards usually work in VN if they have the Visa / MasterCard logo.
BTW, it's good to have about 10, 000 dong or so ready for the airport bus, or get ready to be asked 300, 000 for the taxi (of course, the real price is 1/3 of that).
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1510075]It's far easier to exchange THB for VND once you're in Vietnam (Saigon at least. Probably not easy out in the boonies). However, the rate for THB cash is not amazing, you will do much better to exchange USD cash. Or use an ATM card. Thai ATM cards usually work in VN if they have the Visa / MasterCard logo.
BTW, it's good to have about 10, 000 dong or so ready for the airport bus, or get ready to be asked 300, 000 for the taxi (of course, the real price is 1/3 of that).[/QUOTE]In most countries you are generally going to get ripped off if you are exchanging any currency other than dollars, euro, pounds, or yen. I got fucked coming back from Indonesia changing rupiah directly into Thai baht instead of into dollars. For Vietnam, I suggest changing $20 once you arrive just to get you to your hotel. Then when you get to the hotel ask for the closest 7/11. The ATMs inside the 7/11s allow you to draw out 8 million dong at a time, whereas the bank ATMs will only allow you to withdraw 2 million at a time. Remember you will also need $20 cash to pay for the visa on arrival. Take Vinasun or Mai Linh taxis in order to not get ripped off.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1510109]In most countries you are generally going to get ripped off if you are exchanging any currency other than dollars, euro, pounds, or yen. I got fucked coming back from Indonesia changing rupiah directly into Thai baht instead of into dollars. For Vietnam, I suggest changing $20 once you arrive just to get you to your hotel. Then when you get to the hotel ask for the closest 7/11. The ATMs inside the 7/11s allow you to draw out 8 million dong at a time, whereas the bank ATMs will only allow you to withdraw 2 million at a time. Remember you will also need $20 cash to pay for the visa on arrival. Take Vinasun or Mai Linh taxis in order to not get ripped off.[/QUOTE]Thailand is full of 7 eleven stores, but does Vietnam really have any?
"In fact, the presence of 7 Eleven in Vietnam is foreseeable. Foreign investors, believing that the Thai brand would come to Vietnam sooner or later, have been trying to expand their networks to get stronger."
"Last update 11:39 | 11/12/2013"
[url]http://dongtalk.com/2013/12/11/7-eleven-does-warm-up-before-entering-vietnam/[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-Eleven[/url]
Regarding ATM limits:
"Current amounts that can be withdrawn at any one time is usually very low. 2,000, 000 Dong with a 20, 000 Dong additional usage charge. ANZ ATM's appear to have the max payout so far, around 10. 000. 000 in one hit, followed by HSBC with a max of 4, 800, 000 Dong but with 100. 000d fees. Donga can go up to 5. 000. 000 Dong but it only accepts card from the Visa circuit, no MasterCard. In HCMC Commonwealth Bank (Australia) 8. 000. 000 Dong, no fees. 4 ATMs around Bui Vien St, Agribank allows 3mil at 20, 000."
"There is nothing to stop you putting your card back in to get more money out, but remember you are still subject to your own bank's daily cash withdrawal limits, about 500E for Maestro / MasterCard nextwork in Europe, and you pay your bank fee every time. Also, ensure you tell your bank before travelling to Vietnam if you intend to use your card to withdraw cash from ATM's. The machines here use the magnetic strip not the more secure chip technology."
[url]http://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g293921-s601/Vietnam:Banks.And.Money.html[/url]
It seems VN in various ways lags decades behind LOS.
[QUOTE=Betong; 1509834]It's more than just cane, and it's godawful. Starts around February and goes on till the rains bring some relief around July. Combined with the hot season heat, smog, and dust, it's pretty unbearable. In fact several old friends there are finally leaving the place due to concerns about the air quality on their children.
People tend to visit CM for the first time in the cool season and they think, ah, this is nice weather, I could live here. But anybody who wants to live there full-time should first check it out during the other eight or nine months of the year.[/QUOTE]Personally, I am not so keen on the Thai weather from Feb through to maybe May due to the heat, and this applies to Chiangmai also. Those living in Thailand should consider being close to the ocean for cool breeze possibilities. Bangkok does not seem to be as hot in direct sun as it used to be 20 years ago. I believe this is due to the smog preventing the direct sunlight being as powerful as it used to be.
Smog is not so bad at the seaside generally. Easy to get sunburned badly in just 20 mins around midday in Phuket.
Thailand does have a lot of dust in comparison to cooler countries. Dust arrives very quickly in the house.
There are a lot of them out there these days. Reading reports and seeing some pictures here it would seem it may not be possible to know for sure who is who.
Do most of the members here care so much, as long as the report is useful? I'm not sure if this discussion is welcome or not, so I apologize in advance if this is something not welcome on here.
[QUOTE=Gilby; 1510325]There are a lot of them out there these days. Reading reports and seeing some pictures here it would seem it may not be possible to know for sure who is who.
Do most of the members here care so much, as long as the report is useful? I'm not sure if this discussion is welcome or not, so I apologize in advance if this is something not welcome on here.[/QUOTE]Some are very obvious, almost all are obvious but a few may be difficult. Just do what I do, politely ask them and you will get a polite reply, yea or nay.and they will be honest
[QUOTE=Gilby; 1510325]There are a lot of them out there these days. Reading reports and seeing some pictures here it would seem it may not be possible to know for sure who is who.
Do most of the members here care so much, as long as the report is useful? I'm not sure if this discussion is welcome or not, so I apologize in advance if this is something not welcome on here.[/QUOTE]I've never been with a LB, accidentally or otherwise. As mentioned, most are obvious. There was one I talked to in Bangkok once I didn't know was one until I talked with her. Her voice gave it away.
Another option is to ask them or ask to see their I. D. Card. All people born male will have Mr on the I. D, even post ops.
If there is any doubt, just move on.
Bangkok post says mass 'shut-down' of Bangkok planned today, Sunday 22nd Dec. By Anti-Thaksin demonstrations, this is, by the yellow-shirts' own admission, a strategy to gauge support for their cause, and also inspire their provincial cadres, where support is less strong, to maintain the rage.
There are about 5 rallies planned across the Big Mango at strategic crossroads according to the Post, and the nearest affecting us is Asoke, better known as the vicinity of Soi Cowboy.
So depending on who and how many show up, they may be something of a non-event. In any case, they are likely to be over by nightfall.
In other news, one of the Army top brass has ruled out a coup, but has called for a non-aligned committee to act as an arbitrator between the two sides. It is important to note that this is NOT the same as an election, which have in recent times always returned a Thaksin in some shape or form to power, and are likely to do so again in February. Either way, it has reached the point where election results here just serve to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] the losing side off to the point where they simply cannot accept it and get on with life, so clearly, Thailand is between a rock and a hard place.
Khun General seems to think that if the current colour-coded politics is allowed to fester unresolved, the country could face civil war! Not a nice though at all; imagine Bangkok ending up looking like Beirut, or even Belfast.
I don't think a General would be the type of guy to make alarmist comments, but then again TiT. Regardless of where this is, we as a species generally don't seem to be happy unless we're making each other deeply unhappy, and that is what makes me worry about the Generals remarks, it's entirely humanly possible.
Anyhoo, lets see what tomorrow brings, I have to traverse Asoke to get to the girls, but in a pinch there's always Soi 33, less than ten minutes easy stroll from my crib.
At any rate, I'm enjoying BKK not being too overcrowded with shuffling night-market-zombies this year. Its looking about the same as the average off-season, so there are still a lot of people around, and Nana last night was going like a rocket!
[QUOTE=Questner;1509876]Does it start before, on or after CM Flower Festival weekend (first weekend of February)?[/QUOTE]February used to be a nice cool month up north but in recent years not so much. The bigger problem is the Flower Festival itself, which turns the city into total gridlock.
Update: Sunday Rally at Asoke.
About an hour ago I was at Asoke junction, the rally is in the Rachadamri Road (I think it's called) the Podium is about 75 metres from Soi Cowboy and the rally crowd stretches back past Soi Cowboy entrance itself and on up to the junction with Sukhumvit. At the moment traffic in Sukhumvit is unaffected.
Soi Cowboy bars are all shut except the 'regular' pubs at either end 'Ship Inn' etc. But bear in mind it was 11. 30 in the morning when I wandered in.
The only people in Soi Cowboy are cops (sitting at the outdoor bar tables) and protesters, sitting on the raised steel decks of the bars, eating their picnic lunches.
At the rally podium, some dude is screaming into a sound system, but the crowd, apart from the die-hards right at the front of the pack seem unmoved.
People still seem to be arriving at the rally.
Basically, if you don't see anything on CNN / BBC etc. Later today, consider it a non-event. Barring things getting ugly, I think the only thing likely to happen in Soi Cowboy later is debauchery, drunkenness, and cricket-munching. In other words, jizzbizz as usual.
[QUOTE=Gilby; 1510325]There are a lot of them out there these days. Reading reports and seeing some pictures here it would seem it may not be possible to know for sure who is who.
Do most of the members here care so much, as long as the report is useful? I'm not sure if this discussion is welcome or not, so I apologize in advance if this is something not welcome on here.[/QUOTE]It is the written official policy of this forum to ignore the existence of LBs.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1510617]It is the written official policy of this forum to ignore the existence of LBs.[/QUOTE]My understanding was that it as official policy to ignore any reference to any activities with LBs but discussion on recognising them, and perhaps identifying clubs where they are most active, seems reasonable.
You cannot totally ignore a reality or the board becomes like Uganda where gays will be sent to prison for life!
[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1510641]My understanding was that it as official policy to ignore any reference to any activities with LBs but discussion on recognising them, and perhaps identifying clubs where they are most active, seems reasonable.
You cannot totally ignore a reality or the board becomes like Uganda where gays will be sent to prison for life![/QUOTE]I can only quote what is in the rules: "Please do not post any messages anywhere on this site that refers to Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males. This website is about sex between men who were always men and women who were always women."
Gilby and others can discuss this topic here.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2657-Identifying-Transvestites[/url]
7-11 is in Vietnam now. I was there last January and they are popping up all over HCMC. There is one right down the street from my in-laws house. Burger King is popping up everywhere too. I've eaten at 2 of them and it tastes just like the US version. I know of 3 of them and not sure where the others are. One at the Airport, one in D1 and one in D10 for sure.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1510177]Thailand is full of 7 eleven stores, but does Vietnam really have any?
"In fact, the presence of 7 Eleven in Vietnam is foreseeable. Foreign investors, believing that the Thai brand would come to Vietnam sooner or later, have been trying to expand their networks to get stronger."
"Last update 11:39 | 11/12/2013"
[url]http://dongtalk.com/2013/12/11/7-eleven-does-warm-up-before-entering-vietnam/[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-Eleven[/url]
Regarding ATM limits:
"Current amounts that can be withdrawn at any one time is usually very low. 2,000, 000 Dong with a 20, 000 Dong additional usage charge. ANZ ATM's appear to have the max payout so far, around 10. 000. 000 in one hit, followed by HSBC with a max of 4, 800, 000 Dong but with 100. 000d fees. Donga can go up to 5. 000. 000 Dong but it only accepts card from the Visa circuit, no MasterCard. In HCMC Commonwealth Bank (Australia) 8. 000. 000 Dong, no fees. 4 ATMs around Bui Vien St, Agribank allows 3mil at 20, 000."..[/QUOTE]
It seems the mango website is not getting updated like it used to be a few months back.
I walked in to see that talent and was pleasantly surprised to see a few new faces since I went there last 2-3 months back.
Seems NEsle has to do some work!
Read in the Bangkok Post:
Passengers scheduled to fly from Suvarnabhumi Airport should leave at least four hours before departure due to heavy traffic in the capital following city-wide demonstrations by the People's Democratic Reform Committee supporters, the Airports of Thailand says.
Apart from leaving early, the AoT also advised air passengers to use the Airport Rail Link.
The passengers can call hotline 1722 for more information around the clock.
Wishing all of you a very happy mongering holiday and a fruitful new year.
Cheers.
Duni
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1510821]Read in the Bangkok Post:
Passengers scheduled to fly from Suvarnabhumi Airport should leave at least four hours before departure due to heavy traffic in the capital following city-wide demonstrations by the People's Democratic Reform Committee supporters, the Airports of Thailand says.
Apart from leaving early, the AoT also advised air passengers to use the Airport Rail Link.
The passengers can call hotline 1722 for more information around the clock.[/QUOTE]It took me 75 minutes from airport (so you want a boom boom) to NEP area on Monday morning from 915 to 1030. Driver said this was normal, although it's never been so long before since coming to BKK every year since 07.
Certainly no where near 4 hours, though, although arriving at the airport for a flight 2 hours or so early is typically recommended. Add 2 hours for traffic & there's your 4 hours.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1510821]Read in the Bangkok Post:
Passengers scheduled to fly from Suvarnabhumi Airport should leave at least four hours before departure due to heavy traffic in the capital following city-wide demonstrations by the People's Democratic Reform Committee supporters, the Airports of Thailand says.
Apart from leaving early, the AoT also advised air passengers to use the Airport Rail Link.
The passengers can call hotline 1722 for more information around the clock.[/QUOTE]I take the MRT from Asok to Markasan station and take the Airport express whole trip take only 1 hr 20 min with waiting time, this is the fastest way if you are my yourself and travel light.
Fast Eddie 48
[QUOTE=B Bardill;1510689]7-11 is in Vietnam now. I was there last January and they are popping up all over HCMC. There is one right down the street from my in-laws house. Burger King is popping up everywhere too. I've eaten at 2 of them and it tastes just like the US version. I know of 3 of them and not sure where the others are. One at the Airport, one in D1 and one in D10 for sure.[/QUOTE]Only in HCMC and the south. No 7-11 in the north. In face no convenience stores in the north at all.
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1511529]I take the MRT from Asok to Markasan station and take the Airport express whole trip take only 1 hr 20 min with waiting time, this is the fastest way if you are my yourself and travel light.
Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]I can get to the airport by taxi in 40- 60 min, no stairs or crowded trains and you can bring as much luggage as you want.
[QUOTE=Pita123;1511582]Only in HCMC and the south. No 7-11 in the north. In face no convenience stores in the north at all.[/QUOTE]It seems in Hanoi of the north there are the local types:
[url]http://www.thanhniennews.com/index/pages/20131107162658-vietnam-takes-to-convenience-stores.aspx[/url]
I was wondering what the hobby scene was like in Thailand at the end of the year? Good time to visit or a time to avoid?
[QUOTE=Breadman;1511645]I was wondering what the hobby scene was like in Thailand at the end of the year? Good time to visit or a time to avoid?[/QUOTE]Like now & for the next week or so? Looks good to me. I'm here. As others have said, though, it's like a low season rather than high.
Also there is the looming threat of the protests. The leader says he'll shut BKK down for all of January, if necessary, FWIW. Whether that includes the airport, street walkers & seven elevens remains to be seen.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1511645]I was wondering what the hobby scene was like in Thailand at the end of the year? Good time to visit or a time to avoid?[/QUOTE]As always there will be more beautiful Thai ladies available than you can ever hope to satisfy you with.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1511664]As always there will be more beautiful Thai ladies available than you can ever hope to satisfy you with.[/QUOTE]Good to know. Also curious what types of celebrations go on during these two days?
[QUOTE=Breadman;1511686]Good to know. Also curious what types of celebrations go on during these two days?[/QUOTE]Two years ago I was in Bangkok on Christmas day: business as usual with all shops open.
New years eve can be slim pickens near Sukhumvit.
May be prudent to have something arranged in advanced
Some talent here.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-cb7HNQ-zo[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P9ZI55eblU[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJpA_xzbAQI[/url]
[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff; 1512055]Some talent here.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-cb7HNQ-zo[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P9ZI55eblU[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJpA_xzbAQI[/url][/QUOTE]5555+ Nobody has any interest for the cars.
[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff; 1512055]Some talent here.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-cb7HNQ-zo[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P9ZI55eblU[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJpA_xzbAQI[/url][/QUOTE]When you compare these gals to what is available on Suk and in the bars, it is mighty hard to pull a gal. At least for me it is.
Hi guys,
I'm planning a BKK trip at the end of Jan. Still not very clear on the political situation there. Could you guys please let me know about travel in the week leading up to the elections? Do you foresee any safety issues?
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1512264]When you compare these gals to what is available on Suk and in the bars, it is mighty hard to pull a gal. At least for me it is.[/QUOTE]I'll take lower cellulite & Lower Sukhumvit & NEP area street walkers any day.
I'll have to agree with you. I watched all three VDO's and, yes, there were some hotties but some not so hot. Like one who looked like a poster child for a female Dracula with her teeth. It just falls into the category of what one finds Hot another might not. An endless discussion on here.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1512338]I'll take lower cellulite & lower sukhumvit & NEP area street walkers any day.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ChelseaGrin; 1512326]Hi guys,
I'm planning a BKK trip at the end of Jan. Still not very clear on the political situation there. Could you guys please let me know about travel in the week leading up to the elections? Do you foresee any safety issues?[/QUOTE]It is anybody's guess.
Perhaps the military step in and postpone the elections, then there is likely to be violence from the present majority as they had a good chance to win those elections.
Perhaps the democrats (present opposition) may boycot the elections, even forcefully. Very likely they will disturb the peaceful process of the elections by trying to occupy government offices.
Perhaps in desperation the present government my send in the policy to arrest the democrat leaders or break the occupation of official buildings.
Or perhaps everyone remembers they are Buddhist and that one should not be attached to power or status or money and they sit together and form a government of national unity under the gentle guiding hand of His Majesty (may he live long).
One thing is certain, in the days leading up to the election, alcohol will not be sold nor served.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1512554]It is anybody's guess.[/QUOTE]You are right; it's anybody's guess. And For what it is worth here is my 2 bahts worth: Demonstrations continue. Less Tourists visit Thailand. The Baht declines further. The Airport stays open. Democrats boycott elections, tensions rise, and the election is postponed or the election results are nullified. The Army eventually steps in and sets up interim caretaker government. When the elections actually take place a couple of years from now; The Pheu Thai Party wins again but major concessions are won by the Democrats concerning their guaranteed representation in upper house. Thaksin Shinawatra remains in exile for the rest of his life.
I am scheduled to arrive in BKK in mid March. I will be flying in from Phnom Penh. Naturally I will be watching the political drama unfold all the way up to my arrival date. I am planning on spending most of my time in BKK, but if things get out of hand, I can easily travel overland from Cambodia to Pattaya and have a damn good time in Patt for 3. 5 weeks. I have never done that. It might be interesting. I will head south If I get bored. After LOS I am traveling on to Macau and then the PI. The one thing that would bother me is if the BKK airports were closed. But there are escape routes from Pattaya (overland) and further south (by air, sea, and land) so baring an all out civil war, which is a very unlikely event, I plan on having another great time in Thailand real soon.
[QUOTE=ChelseaGrin; 1512326]Hi guys,
I'm planning a BKK trip at the end of Jan. Still not very clear on the political situation there. Could you guys please let me know about travel in the week leading up to the elections? Do you foresee any safety issues?[/QUOTE]A coup is imminent. Then all will be calm like the Christmas song "silent night".
Evidently even Tax-in knows it's coming as he's taken up new employment as Blackberry CEO:
[url]http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/blackberry-faces-another-uncertainty-ceo-launches-rescue-attempt-170947024.html[/url]
How soon before a coup in Canada?
Bottom line. Just come & cum again.
I will be personally active in the coup in Canada if the wasted sperm of the commie dead fuck PM Trudeau comes into power.
I would like to hear from anyone who has left the US with equivalent of $10, 000 or more and declared it. What hoops if any does one have to go through after you declare it, so if you actually have experience, I would appreciate hearing from you. PM me if you prefer. I know there are other ways to move money, so not interested in that.
I have had several experiences with Customs and one time during the boarding process they recognized me due to frequent travel to one country and they searched my carry on bag and made me count all my money even though I told them I had less than $10, 000. I had some US and foreign currency and could only guess as to the exchange rate. They had stopped me on the previous flight, but just questioned me.
[QUOTE=Hobbyist2; 1513299]I would like to hear from anyone who has left the US with equivalent of $10, 000 or more and declared it. What hoops if any does one have to go through after you declare it, so if you actually have experience, I would appreciate hearing from you. PM me if you prefer. I know there are other ways to move money, so not interested in that.
I have had several experiences with Customs and one time during the boarding process they recognized me due to frequent travel to one country and they searched my carry on bag and made me count all my money even though I told them I had less than $10, 000. I had some US and foreign currency and could only guess as to the exchange rate. They had stopped me on the previous flight, but just questioned me.[/QUOTE]To Hobby.
I not sure if Amex express check count I have 20 check 500 each once and about 3000 USD cash a few yr back, now days with credit card and wire transfer not many tourist carry much cash.
Fast Eddie 48
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1513315]To Hobby.
I not sure if Amex express check count I have 20 check 500 each once and about 3000 USD cash a few yr back, now days with credit card and wire transfer not many tourist carry much cash.
Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]Thanks, but did you declare the money? If so, what did they require? Just count it or did you have to fill in or sign some documents? I have a credit card (more fees) and have used it, but I prefer TCs. I don't want a foreign bank account and money transfers at this time.
Everything counts. Download and fill out FINCEN 105 and get it stamped by customs. On a night or early morning fligt you may need to meet them at the arrival screening area. Go to information for help locating an agent.
Mudcat
[QUOTE=Hobbyist2; 1513299]I would like to hear from anyone who has left the US with equivalent of $10, 000 or more and declared it. What hoops if any does one have to go through after you declare it, so if you actually have experience, I would appreciate hearing from you. PM me if you prefer. I know there are other ways to move money, so not interested in that.
I have had several experiences with Customs and one time during the boarding process they recognized me due to frequent travel to one country and they searched my carry on bag and made me count all my money even though I told them I had less than $10,000. I had some US and foreign currency and could only guess as to the exchange rate. They had stopped me on the previous flight, but just questioned me.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hobbyist2; 1513299]I would like to hear from anyone who has left the US with equivalent of $10, 000 or more and declared it. What hoops if any does one have to go through after you declare it, so if you actually have experience, I would appreciate hearing from you. PM me if you prefer. I know there are other ways to move money, so not interested in that.
I have had several experiences with Customs and one time during the boarding process they recognized me due to frequent travel to one country and they searched my carry on bag and made me count all my money even though I told them I had less than $10, 000. I had some US and foreign currency and could only guess as to the exchange rate. They had stopped me on the previous flight, but just questioned me.[/QUOTE]This is to protect against money laundering / terrorism financing. I'm guessing it's just filling out a form and giving them a copy of your ID.
I would seriously advise against not declaring.
[QUOTE=Skepti10; 1513982]This is to protect against money laundering / terrorism financing. I'm guessing it's just filling out a form and giving them a copy of your I'd.
I would seriously advise against not declaring.[/QUOTE]I was quite certain of why they do it. However I just wanted to know if anyone had any experiences. My concern is that I would end up on a list and then get hassled every time I travel.
Not declaring would never enter my mind.
[quote=hobbyist2; 1513299]i would like to hear from anyone who has left the us with equivalent of $10, 000 or more and declared it. what hoops if any does one have to go through after you declare it, so if you actually have experience, i would appreciate hearing from you. pm me if you prefer. i know there are other ways to move money, so not interested in that.
i have had several experiences with customs and one time during the boarding process they recognized me due to frequent travel to one country and they searched my carry on bag and made me count all my money even though i told them i had less than $10, 000. i had some us and foreign currency and could only guess as to the exchange rate. they had stopped me on the previous flight, but just questioned me.[/quote]someone i know traveled to asia from usa with $30,000 cash and did not declare it. her mom needed an operation so she needed to bring a lot of cash. usa government found it and confirep001ed the money. yes all $30,000 no refunds. don't sneak money if you are caught they will take it!
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1512567]I can easily travel overland from Cambodia to Pattaya[/QUOTE]Could you fill me in on the easy overland route you found? When I looked all I could find was a very lengthy trip via two cramped mini-vans (one to the Thai border, then another after crossing) for almost as much as a direct flight from PNH. BKK costs.
I've been in Thailand for almost six weeks. One thing I was not prepared for was how [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor most Thai's English language skills are. It's kind of been a spoiler on the holiday (no one can answer questions about local customs) and on mongering. I was planning to enjoy six weeks play here then go somewhere more exotic (such as Burma) for some cultural tourism, but really I am so disappointed by the linguistic (and other) skills of the girls that I have bedded here that I am thinking of going to the Philippines, where apparently the girls can string a couple of sentences together. The best girl I had here so far (and by far) was Zambian!
Disappointed so far in the Land of Smiles after Bangkok, Pattaya and Kanchanaburi.
Ripple
[QUOTE=Ripple67; 1517528]I've been in Thailand for almost six weeks. One thing I was not prepared for was how [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor most Thai's English language skills are. I.
Ripple[/QUOTE]That the Thais are equally amazed at the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor standard of most English speakers' Thai. Never criticise others for things where you are at fault.
[QUOTE=Scorchin;1517540]That the Thais are equally amazed at the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor standard of most English speakers' Thai. Never criticise others for things where you are at fault.[/QUOTE]Amen. One should not expect people in a foreign nation to speak "your" language.
[QUOTE=Ripple67;1517528]I've been in Thailand for almost six weeks. One thing I was not prepared for was how [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor most Thai's English language skills are.[/QUOTE]What if the situation were reversed? What if a native Thai speaker came up to you in your home town and asked for directions in Thai? How well could you communicate in their language? Sheesh
[QUOTE=Ripple67; 1517528]I've been in Thailand for almost six weeks. One thing I was not prepared for was how [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor most Thai's English language skills are. It's kind of been a spoiler on the holiday (no one can answer questions about local customs) and on mongering. I was planning to enjoy six weeks play here then go somewhere more exotic (such as Burma) for some cultural tourism, but really I am so disappointed by the linguistic (and other) skills of the (17) girls that I have bedded here that I am thinking of going to the Philippines, where apparently the girls can string a couple of sentences together. The best girl I had here so far (and by far) was Zambian!
Disappointed so far in the Land of Smiles after Bangkok, Pattaya and Kanchanaburi.
Ripple[/QUOTE]That must be soooooo annoying for you.
You and me, Brits, renowned for our linguistic skills and knowledge of foreign cultures. I have schoolboy French, about a dozen words in Thai, and 4 in Japanese. The girls here can often speak Thai and Lao fluently, most with passable English, and many with a smattering of French, German, Japanese and for some reason Norwegian. Oh, and without formal education beyond about 15.
[QUOTE=Scorchin;1517540]That the Thais are equally amazed at the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor standard of most English speakers' Thai. Never criticise others for things where you are at fault.[/QUOTE]WOW, nice friendly thread here! Happy new year!
The guy said he was disappointed and was leaving. Sounds like his right to do both if he likes. In fact, I think that we all have the expectation that English will be spoken to some degree. If not then very few would travel anywhere because who wants to learn a whole new language just to go anywhere?
What I find more interesting is why he expected, in a third world country, that English would be fluent by virtually the lowest rung on the ladder.
And, that the level of hassle free sex and modern amenities in BKK at Patts didn't offset the poor English skills he experienced.
I haven't been to the Phils as I don't generally find Pinays that attractive but if hookers with English skills is his cup of tea then why does that offend you and why do you take it so personally? He simply made an observation.
[QUOTE=Ripple67; 1517528]I've been in Thailand for almost six weeks. One thing I was not prepared for was how [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor most Thai's English language skills are.
Ripple[/QUOTE]Let me say, and this is not personal on anyone, it is generic, but it is a fact, I am surprised to the level of bad spelling and grammar in English mother tongue people. What kind of language am I referring too? English, what else?
Go imagine why a foreigner should be colloquial in English? Philippines are for other reasons, not because of wise education programs.
[QUOTE=Ripple67; 1517528]I've been in Thailand for almost six weeks. One thing I was not prepared for was how [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor most Thai's English language skills are. It's kind of been a spoiler on the holiday (no one can answer questions about local customs) and on mongering. I was planning to enjoy six weeks play here then go somewhere more exotic (such as Burma) for some cultural tourism, but really I am so disappointed by the linguistic (and other) skills of the (17) girls that I have bedded here that I am thinking of going to the Philippines, where apparently the girls can string a couple of sentences together. The best girl I had here so far (and by far) was Zambian!
Disappointed so far in the Land of Smiles after Bangkok, Pattaya and Kanchanaburi.
Ripple[/QUOTE]I'm sure you told your folks at home you came to Thailand to discuss the finer points of English literature. And see what happens: all these girl want to do is fuck you. What a bummer! Go get your money back from the travel agency that sold you the "Discuss English Literature in Thailand" tour.
[QUOTE=Ripple67; 1517528]I've been in Thailand for almost six weeks. One thing I was not prepared for was how [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor most Thai's English language skills are. It's kind of been a spoiler on the holiday (no one can answer questions about local customs) and on mongering. I was planning to enjoy six weeks play here then go somewhere more exotic (such as Burma) for some cultural tourism, but really I am so disappointed by the linguistic (and other) skills of the...[/QUOTE]Quite strange, I had some Thai friends visit USA and they were surprised as to how [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor we spoke Thai!
You should bypass Philippines. It sounds like you won't have a good time there either. Their English is not that great and with your expectations will only cause attitude problems with the girls and locals.
Possibly your best bet would be in English speaking countries!
[quote=ripple67;1517528]i am so disappointed by the linguistic (and other) skills of the (17) girls that i have bedded here that i am thinking of going to the philippines, where apparently the girls can string a couple of sentences together.[/quote]by all means go to the pi. when the lights go out in the bar, you'll be able to communicate. when the trike driver scams you, you'll be able to understand him. when you have no internet connection, it will be easy to whine & be understood. when the p4p gal has her le friend cart you away for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], you will know what they are saying.
[QUOTE=Ripple67; 1517528]I've been in Thailand for almost six weeks. One thing I was not prepared for was how [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor most Thai's English language skills are. It's kind of been a spoiler on the holiday (no one can answer questions about local customs) and on mongering. [/QUOTE]Sounds like you failed to plan, hence you planned to fail. Next time do your research before you go somewhere. Then you won't have to sit around looking stupid waiting for people to explain things to you. You will already know. At the university it was expected that we would have already read over and studied the material before we came to class to get the actual hands-on lesson.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1517674]Sounds like you failed to plan, hence you planned to fail. Next time do your research before you go somewhere. Then you won't have to sit around looking stupid waiting for people to explain things to you. You will already know. At the university it was expected that we would have already read over and studied the material before we came to class to get the actual hands-on lesson.[/QUOTE]Quote Originally Posted by Ripple67 [View Original Post]
I've been in Thailand for almost six weeks. One thing I was not prepared for was how [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor most Thai's English language skills are. It's kind of been a spoiler on the holiday (no one can answer questions about local customs) and on mongering.
He's stupid, he'll probably pay too much and cause our prices to go up. Do you really want guys like him here?
[QUOTE=Ripple67; 1517528]I've been in Thailand for almost six weeks. One thing I was not prepared for was how [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor most Thai's English language skills are. It's kind of been a spoiler on the holiday (no one can answer questions about local customs) and on mongering. I was planning to enjoy six weeks play here then go somewhere more exotic (such as Burma) for some cultural tourism, but really I am so disappointed by the linguistic (and other) skills of the girls that I have bedded here that I am thinking of going to the Philippines, where apparently the girls can string a couple of sentences together. The best girl I had here so far (and by far) was Zambian!
Disappointed so far in the Land of Smiles after Bangkok, Pattaya and Kanchanaburi.
Ripple[/QUOTE]While you have been roundly criticized for this comment, you do bring up a valid point. The level of spoken English in Thailand is abysmal compared to other SEA countries. University-level English speakers are not near the level of their counterparts in Burma or even Vietnam, far more so for those with limited education such as you will find in the bars. One should never expect everybody to speak "your" language when traveling abroad, but it is fair to expect that somebody employed in the tourism business would have a decent grasp of English, if that's their target audience.
If you are really interested in learning about local customs, find a reasonably attractive bar girl and take her for a week or two. Travel around and let her be your cultural guide and translator. You'll look like a putz (to regular Thai people) running around with a bar girl, but no worse than most other farang who do the same thing. Sure, you won't get to boink a different girl every night, but you will learn more about Thai culture. It will be "bannok" culture, but it's a start.
If you're not really interested in learning the culture and customs, best to stick to the USA, the UK, Canada and Germany.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1517772]While you have been roundly criticized for this comment, you do bring up a valid point. but it is fair to expect that somebody employed in the tourism business would have a decent grasp of English.[/QUOTE]Might be true, but the comment was mainly addressed to the subject of this forum and the uncapacity from the providers to have colloquial english skills.
Whether the sex providers are part of the tourism business is your judgement. They are not, IMHO, even if we go to Thailand with that target.
I have never found difficulties in communicating in english in Thailand with lot of people, educated and / or in the REAL tourism business or related to tourism.
Have found difficulties with many sex providers, but as someone said before, we are not meeting them for the talks, although, I admit, it is better to meet someone you can talk to.
Even sex has an advantage.
But if you have good english skills and good education, would you sell your pussy for a few tens of bucks every nightand day at NEP or Soi Cowboy or in a MP on in the streets?
[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1517783]Whether the sex providers are part of the tourism business is your judgement. They are not, IMHO, even if we go to Thailand with that target.
But if you have good english skills and good education, would you sell your pussy for a few tens of bucks every nightand day at NEP or Soi Cowboy or in a MP on in the streets?[/QUOTE]Agreed. They really are not, and my comment was just general observations on the state of English in Thailand. However, bar girls with enough experience tend to become fairly fluent in English or Japanese.
Funny, even as we speak I'm helping my GF (degree, many years speaking English for work, many $$ spent on private English schools) string together a coherent sales pitch in English.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1517772]If you're not really interested in learning the culture and customs, best to stick to the USA, the UK, Canada and Germany.[/QUOTE]I travel a bit around the world and one thing I've found is that there will always be that fair portion of people that want the comforts of home in an exotic place rather than jumping into the culture. Nothing wrong with that for those people, but complaining about it is useless. I find if you try to keep your preconceptions to a minimum and do a slight bit of research before you go somewhere new, you will have less surprises and a more pleasant experience. My only puzzlement on the original post is why did he expect them to have good English skills? I myself am more interested in their French and Greek skills!
Reminds me of when I was in Greece on the island of Rhodes a few years ago. Excellent Tavernas selling fresh local Mediterranean food, but the only place with a line was a food stand selling Fish and Chips to British tourists.
Read on the Suvarnabhumi Airport web site:
Mrs. Rawewan Netrakavesna, the General Manager of Suvarnabhumi Airport, said Since the 5th January 2013, the political protest is ongoing in many areas of Bangkok, which may cause additional traffic and may affect travels to and from the airport. Therefore, we would like to recommend that passengers prepare travel time to Suvarnabhumi Airport at least 4 hours before flight departure time and to avoid routes nearby and around the protests. Also, we would highly recommend the usage of Airport Rail Link, together with the Bangkok Mass Transit System (BTS) SkyTrain, the Metropolitan Rapid Transit (MRT) or the State Railway of Thailand (SRT) which can also connect to other modes of public transportation.
Mrs. Rawewan added to maintain consistent passenger services during the political protest, Suvarnabhumi Airport has coordinated with the airports public transportation providers to have a contingency plan in case of passengers being unable to travel to and from the airport; such as change of routes for Shuttle Bus between Suvarnabhumi and Don Mueang International Airports, provide airport personnel and information boards to advise passengers using public taxi and airport limousine to avoid areas near the political protest, etc. Furthermore, we are following the orders of the Ministry of Transport for all agencies under the jurisdiction of the Ministry to have a contingency plan for public travels during the political protest with road closures in many areas of Bangkok; in which case, Suvarnabhumi Airport has prepared its Long Term Parking area as a public car park and has prepared Shuttle Bus services for those wishing to travel in and out of Bangkok, to and from nearby public transportation stations, such as the Airport Rail Link, BTS SkyTrain and SRT.
Mrs. Rawewan concluded Suvarnabhumi Airport is prepared to facilitate passengers in other areas as well, such as the set up of the Airport Operation Center (AOPC) to coordinate with all organizations and agencies within the airport, for example, public bureaus, state agencies and airlines. The Center will be opened 24 hours daily, with various airport personnel available at all times to assist and facilitate passenger affected by the current political situation as promptly as possible. The Center is situated behind check-in counter row R, Departure Hall. 4th floor of the Passenger Terminal, telephone number 0-2132-9950 or 2, facsimile number 0-2132-9951. Furthermore, Suvarnabhumi Airport has allocated waiting areas for passengers missing their flights due to the travel uncertainties from Bangkok.
Additionally, from the 10th January 2013, Suvarnabhumi Airport will deploy a group of facilitation personnel, from various organizations such as the Association of Thai Travel Agent (ATTA) , Thai Hotels Association, the Tourism Authority of Thailand (TAT) , etc. To assist passengers near the AOT Information Counter, Arrival Hall. 2nd floor of the Passenger Terminal.
For further information, please contact AOT Information Counters at Suvarnabhumi Airport or Call Center 1722 (24-hours).
Monday 13th Jan has been described as the Bangkok big shutdown with 7 major intersections to be closed by protesters includes Asoke-Sukhumvit intersection near to Terminal 21. This is the day you want to allow extra time to get to the airport. Most other days don't seem to be a big problem so far.
[url]http://www.richardbarrow.com/2014/01/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-bangkok-shutdown/[/url]
Staying very close to Asoke Sukhumvit intersection like Soi 19, 21, or 23 may not be the best idea if need to leave on 13 Jan. Recommend to use motorcycle for short distance transport.
Me being at Soi 20, fortunately there are other routes to / from there on Sukhumvit to the east or on Soi 22 from Rama IV.
During the protest if you are going or arriving from the airport just take the airport ling train to Phayathai station and change to skytrain, I been taking the train on my last 10 trip to Bangkok is fast if you travel light is a best way to go.
Fast Eddie 48
http://bangkokairporttrain.com/
[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1517563]That must be soooooo annoying for you.
The girls here can often speak Thai and Lao fluently, most with passable English, and many with a smattering of French, German, Japanese and for some reason Norwegian.[/QUOTE]Norwegian? That must be due to Skogis.
Hi,
I'm planning a trip to Pattaya and BKK til March. And though the question has been briefly adressed in various threads, I really would like a heads-up (from eyes on the ground) on whether is is safe to stay in Bangkok / Pattaya with the current demos going on?
Anyone?
Best regards.
Some handy telephone numbers for tourists.
[QUOTE=TodayTomorrow; 1519183]Hi,
I'm planning a trip to Pattaya and BKK til March. And though the question has been briefly adressed in various threads, I really would like a heads-up (from eyes on the ground) on whether is is safe to stay in Bangkok / Pattaya with the current demos going on?
Anyone?
Best regards.[/QUOTE]It is 6 to 8 weeks ahead. Follow newscast and ISG, I am reading regular reports here.
In thee situations anything can change in a matter of hours or days.
Don't forget this is a sex forum.
[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1519368]It is 6 to 8 weeks ahead. Follow newscast and ISG, I am reading regular reports here.
In thee situations anything can change in a matter of hours or days.
Don't forget this is a sex forum.[/QUOTE]Disagree strongly. This is a mongering forum and anything that affects the ability to monger, to get safely to the mongering hotspots, or the cost of mongering, is fair game.
I was feeling pretty cocky and confident about flying in on Thursday until I read Stickman's report. Either the Bangkok Post is kind of fluffy on the coverage or Stickman is going all CNN on us, but he does seem to be pretty thorough as to exactly what is happening at each point, including on the BTS. Anyone with feet on the ground care to comment?
[url]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Bangkok-Protests-2013/Bangkok-Protests-2013-8.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=Beer Monger; 1519376]Disagree strongly. This is a mongering forum and anything that affects the ability to monger, to get safely to the mongering hotspots, or the cost of mongering, is fair game.
I was feeling pretty cocky and confident about flying in on Thursday until I read Stickman's report. Either the Bangkok Post is kind of fluffy on the coverage or Stickman is going all CNN on us, but he does seem to be pretty thorough as to exactly what is happening at each point, including on the BTS. Anyone with feet on the ground care to comment?
[url]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Bangkok-Protests-2013/Bangkok-Protests-2013-8.htm[/url][/QUOTE]I am hanging around Soi 20 and 22 and using Phrom Phong area. I am not having any big problems. Taxis are available. Motorcycles are the go. Traffic in Sukhumvit is low. No traffic jam around here.
As I stated before, I would not stay in Soi 19 right now. Asoke is all blocked (according to Stickman) and if take a taxi to Sukhumvit you can't go anywhere. Otherwise I would love to stay in Asoke Residence in Soi 19. Soi 23 also may not be the best choice.
Soi 22 is packed full of MPs and so is 24/1, 31, 33. I will no doubt try Soi Cowboy some time and Nana. I don't see any massive problems for having a good time just yet. However will be careful to decide just what places are sensible to go right now. I used to take a motorcycle on Asoke up to the Ratachada Soapies. Just need to change that method a little. Could take back Sois up to Petchburi road by motorcycle.
Heaps of places to eat in this area and also good supermarket shopping in Villa Markt (soi 33/1). Perhaps I am fine as know Bangkok very well. However I don't see big reason to stay away. Just choose your accommodation carefully if you know Sukhumvit at all.
[quote=syzygies; 1519427]i am hanging around soi 20 and 22 and using phrom phong area. i am not having any big problems. taxis are available. motorcycles are the go. traffic in sukhumvit is low. no traffic jam around here.
as i stated before, i would not stay in soi 19 right now. asoke is all blocked (according to stickman) and if take a taxi to sukhumvit you can't go anywhere. otherwise i would love to stay in asoke residence in soi 19. soi 23 also may not be the best choice.
soi 22 is packed full of mps and so is 24/1, 31, 33. i will no doubt try soi cowboy some time and nana. i don't see any massive problems for having a good time just yet. however will be careful to decide just what places are sensible to go right now. i used to take a motorcycle on asoke up to the ratachada soapies. just need to change that method a little. could take back sois up to petchburi road by motorcycle.
heaps of places to eat in this area and also good supermarket shopping in villa markt (soi 33/1). perhaps i am fine as know bangkok very well. however i don't see big reason to stay away. just choose your accommodation carefully if you know sukhumvit at all.[/quote]thanks man,
unless there's an airport shutdown then it's a go! i'll be on soi 8 so if all else fails i have bamboo and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url].
[QUOTE=Beer Monger; 1519376]Disagree strongly. This is a mongering forum and anything that affects the ability to monger, to get safely to the mongering hotspots, or the cost of mongering, is fair game.
I was feeling pretty cocky and confident about flying in on Thursday until I read Stickman's report. Either the Bangkok Post is kind of fluffy on the coverage or Stickman is going all CNN on us, but he does seem to be pretty thorough as to exactly what is happening at each point, including on the BTS. Anyone with feet on the ground care to comment?
[url]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Bangkok-Protests-2013/Bangkok-Protests-2013-8.htm[/url][/QUOTE]Posts on the politics may be getting a bit out of bounds, but posts on the impact of the protests is very useful information for readers of the Bangkok threads.
I've been reading Stickman's protest reports too. Here's the link to the index page.
[url]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Bangkok-Protests-2013/Bangkok-Protests-2013.htm[/url]
Seems to be pretty objective and the photography is a plus.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1519463]Posts on the politics may be getting a bit out of bounds, but posts on the impact of the protests is very useful information for readers of the Bangkok threads.
I've been reading Stickman's protest reports too. Here's the link to the index page.
[url]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Bangkok-Protests-2013/Bangkok-Protests-2013.htm[/url]
Seems to be pretty objective and the photography is a plus.[/QUOTE]The counter to that seems to be Richard Barrow. Hard to tell. I guess it's all point of view. Well I'm flying in Thursday and out Monday. Wish me luck
Thai Protesters Turn Focus to Stock Exchange.
Antigovernment Activists Seek to Escalate Efforts After Clogging Central Bangkok.
Was today's Wall Street Journal headline. I hope this means the protests will move on from Asok & Sukhumvit. The reports from you guys on the ground are really timely and informative. Thanks. I am still 2 months away from arrival. As of yet I don't see any reason to change my plans. Not going to pack any yellow or red T's.
I may move right away from these areas to On Nut shortly to suit GF. I have noticed there is an increasing number of cars parked in the right lane in Sukhumvit Road. This means the right lane cannot be used from Soi 20 up to Asoke. Soi 18 is probably still accessible but may not be that way in time.
[QUOTE=Beer Monger;1519479]The counter to that seems to be Richard Barrow. Hard to tell. I guess it's all point of view. Well I'm flying in Thursday and out Monday. Wish me luck[/QUOTE]I will also be flying in Friday and out Monday. Where are you putting up? Hotel?
[QUOTE=MeOops;1519513]I will also be flying in Friday and out Monday. Where are you putting up? Hotel?[/QUOTE]I'll be at Adelphi Suites on Soi 8. My work colleague wants me to change to the Holiday Inn Silom as his office is right there, but that will take me out of the mongering areas.
[QUOTE=Beer Monger;1519635]I'll be at Adelphi Suites on Soi 8. My work colleague wants me to change to the Holiday Inn Silom as his office is right there, but that will take me out of the mongering areas.[/QUOTE]After reading the latest, I am probably going to cancel. $800 of the company's money versus more risk and hassle than reward. I'll decide after I talk to my colleague in the morning.
On the good side, I will have a weekend in Singapore, and maybe check out Indonesia.
PK, Enoy your banter. I have some hippy erats that are-ty-dyed. Manycolors, red yellow, green, blue etc. I bet that would totally confuse those in the protested area.
Phopd? Your writng on the BKK report section says no govt. Spending will creat private jobs with out destroying others jobs. Really? Maybe we should ask the people in the towns where military bases or industrial production plants once existed. Howabout the space coast that existed in Florida. Didn't govt spending spending creat the 7-11 and other places of business that now are gone because the space industry shut down? Pleas let us know where the jobs are that were destroyed.
Unemployent does not create jobs. ? Really, again. Maybe not in the sence that new business will pop up all over the place. Still if the unemployed don't get money to help out watch the total employment go down in the area. No money to spend means you don't buy much. Thus less people needed to service those still around. Its the correct balance you need to make it work correctly.
Just my opinion, no need to go farther with this.
Mackin,
Yea, I think protest related stuff is appropriate for the forum, but this is the right thread for it.
I don't know if it was on ISG or somewhere else I read a report that some poor farang was wearing a red or yellow t-shirt and got beat up for doing so. Crazy, but there's no shortage of craziness in the world.
Think of your ecumenical multi-colored shirts as an expression of inclusion.
I read in Stickman's post today about the protests that pretty ladies trying to pass through the Asoke protest area are getting hassled.
I've got a feeling over the next couple of days Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy will pick up. The ladies need to eat too. I wonder, are the clubs that can be gotten too relatively easily packed with out of work gogo girls?
If I had the time and a ticket to Bangkok leaving tomorrow I'd go, no hesitation. Things could turn a bit ugly, but I think it's a small risk. If they did, it's a short trip to Pattaya.
[QUOTE=Beer Monger; 1519376]Disagree strongly. This is a mongering forum and anything that affects the ability to monger, to get safely to the mongering hotspots, or the cost of mongering, is fair game.
I was feeling pretty cocky and confident about flying in on Thursday until I read Stickman's report. Either the Bangkok Post is kind of fluffy on the coverage or Stickman is going all CNN on us, but he does seem to be pretty thorough as to exactly what is happening at each point, including on the BTS. Anyone with feet on the ground care to comment?
[url]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Bangkok-Protests-2013/Bangkok-Protests-2013-8.htm[/url][/QUOTE]Probably my message didn't go through. Expecting a prediction on what is going to happen in 6-8 weeks (due to political protest) is IMHO unappropriate. As much as there is people living on the ground, unless hidden, there is no real political analyst on insider to forecast the future in such a way and in such a projection.
Being a sex (or mongering) forum, a daily view or reports, an information on known facts of the next few days makes sense.
But it is nonsense to base a trip 8 weeks ahead based on "forecast" for from here. Some could be emotions, some could be anti- protesters, some might be in favour, some transmits their political ideas in telling the future, maybe his wish.
Sorry. But I can't believe whatever someone here can tell me about "my trip" 6-8 weeks ahead.
[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1519701]Probably my message didn't go through. Expecting a prediction on what is going to happen in 6-8 weeks (due to political protest) is IMHO unappropriate. As much as there is people living on the ground, unless hidden, there is no real political analyst on insider to forecast the future in such a way and in such a projection.
Being a sex (or mongering) forum, a daily view or reports, an information on known facts of the next few days makes sense.
But it is nonsense to base a trip 8 weeks ahead based on "forecast" for from here. Some could be emotions, some could be anti- protesters, some might be in favour, some transmits their political ideas in telling the future, maybe his wish.
Sorry. But I can't believe whatever someone here can tell me about "my trip" 6-8 weeks ahead.[/QUOTE]Ok, the I strongly agree! Current situation information. Yes. Fortune telling. No.
I've actually decided that since I am not a mystic or a guru, I am going to stay in Singapore and enjoy Geylang. Damn, I was really looking forward to this trip, but the stability right now and the fact that things could take a turn for the worse at any moment make it not worth it IMHO. Live to bonk another day and all that.
[QUOTE=Beer Monger;1519709]I've actually decided that since I am not a mystic or a guru, I am going to stay in Singapore and enjoy Geylang. Damn, I was really looking forward to this trip, but the stability right now and the fact that things could take a turn for the worse at any moment make it not worth it IMHO. Live to bonk another day and all that.[/QUOTE]Sure Beer, it is always best to stay in your comfort zone. I was all scheduled to visit Jakarta for the first time in October 2012 and changed plans at the last moment due to Benghazi and some discomfort I was feeling about the BS small scale Muslim protests in Jakarta. It turned out I need not have skipped Jakarta, but on the other hand, I had a great time in Subic instead. I will be heading to Jakarta at long last to finally give it a try and I am looking forward to it now more than ever. The moral to my story is even though I think BKK is still real do able right now and I personally would not cancel my trip, my opinion should have no affect on your decision. There will always be another time to visit BKK. Missing it now will make you enjoy it even more when you finally come. No pun intended. Have fun in Geylang. It is not BKK, but I like it a lot. And the food in Singapore is really good too.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1519714]Sure Beer, it is always best to stay in your comfort zone. I was all scheduled to visit Jakarta for the first time in October 2012 and changed plans at the last moment due to Benghazi and some discomfort I was feeling about the BS small scale Muslim protests in Jakarta. It turned out I need not have skipped Jakarta, but on the other hand, I had a great time in Subic instead. I will be heading to Jakarta at long last to finally give it a try and I am looking forward to it now more than ever. The moral to my story is even though I think BKK is still real do able right now and I personally would not cancel my trip, my opinion should have no affect on your decision. There will always be another time to visit BKK. Missing it now will make you enjoy it even more when you finally come. No pun intended. Have fun in Geylang. It is not BKK, but I like it a lot. And the food in Singapore is really good too.[/QUOTE]I may actually take advantage of the chance to finally go to Batam or JB also. I wrestled with this decision a lot, and you are probably correct that it is nothing. I've been in Kuwait, Argentina, Colombia, and Mexico during times of unrest and survived. My main deciding factor was the news that Cowboy and Nana are dead! That was the tipping point. And yes, the food is good here.
[QUOTE=Beer Monger;1519723]I may actually take advantage of the chance to finally go to Batam or JB also. I wrestled with this decision a lot, and you are probably correct that it is nothing. My main deciding factor was the news that Cowboy and Nana are dead! That was the tipping point.[/QUOTE]There is always Pattaya as an alternative backup plan if you still decide to visit LOS. No Protests whatsoever. Walking Street is 10x larger than Cowboy. LK metro is the up and coming Go Go neighborhood. Soi 6, Soi Honey, beer complexes galore, the coconut bar, and the dark side, ect, ect. Something to think about. But then Batam is fun. There is no wrong move. Have a great time.
I heard that there is a mob at Thonglor BTS Soi 55 (Nth side) or Soi 38 (sth) , so my taxi going from Soi 20 to On-Nut took a detour down Soi 26 to Rama IV, and back to Sukhumvit once past Thonglor. Sukhumvit has low traffic.
I imagine that people staying in Sukhumvit Sois 2 to 11 should be okay getting access by taxi to and from the expressway. I haven't looked there though. I think closer to Soi 19 would be less desirable.
Hey guys,
After reading stuff here some queries, please do help.
1. Is the airport to and fro traffic taking much longer than usual? If yes if one has flight at 11 am what time to leave from sukhumvit, staying in grand president.
Best way to travel at that time? Taxi or mrt or what?
2. Are the shopping centres open? Like platinum or mbk?
3. Are the naughty areas still up?
4. Nightlife still on? Climax etc?
Read many reports didn't get answers for these, kindly help if you may any resident of Bangkok
[QUOTE=MadAssManiac; 1519882]Hey guys,
After reading stuff here some queries, please do help.
1. Is the airport to and fro traffic taking much longer than usual? If yes if one has flight at 11 am what time to leave from sukhumvit, staying in grand president.
Best way to travel at that time? Taxi or mrt or what?
2. Are the shopping centres open? Like platinum or mbk?
3. Are the naughty areas still up?
4. Nightlife still on? Climax etc?
Read many reports didn't get answers for these, kindly help if you may any resident of Bangkok[/QUOTE]Everything is still open unless the mob is standing out front, use the BTS and MRT to get around and you will be OK. Take the MRT from the airport to Phaya Thai station, then on BTS to Nana and walk down Soi 11 to GP.
Thanks very much bro, appreciate your response.
BTW. 21st evening can meet around GP. If any one is interested. Will be there arund 730 pm on the road side van with the big muscular man
Madass.
[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1519908]Everything is still open unless the mob is standing out front, use the BTS and MRT to get around and you will be OK. Take the MRT from the airport to Phaya Thai station, then on BTS to Nana and walk down Soi 11 to GP.[/QUOTE]
I had booked flight and hotel for a trip Jan end, but now thinking of dropping it. There were reports of shooting and bombs last night, though no one was killed, can't really predict when it might get out of hand. Was thinking of heading to Patts but now unsure of that too. Had waited so long for this trip.
Guys,
If my Feb-March trip doesn't workout due to current unrest in LOS, which place in Asia would be your suggestion for a backup?
Angelas City? Jakarta? Any other?
In the past I have always got a metered taxi first shot to the airport but yesterday morning was more difficult. The first two would not take me, second quoted me an unacceptable 500 baht and went with the fourth who quoted me 300 baht. Went by a couple of points with heavy police presence on the way to DMK.
Two days ago my girlfriend was coming to see me on BTS when some foreigner showed her his fully erect penis. If you are a pervert, at least have some class. Wish they had death penalty for this behavior instead of a $5 fine.
[QUOTE=Margaya; 1519976]Guys,
If my Feb-March trip doesn't workout due to current unrest in LOS, which place in Asia would be your suggestion for a backup?
Angelas city? Jakarta? Any other?[/QUOTE]Maybe Phuket, with its own airport can be a B plan. Ought be that the BKK big city is hit by extended protests.
Pattaya is out of question as too much depending on BKK airport.
As an alternative country I would vote for Philippines, the next to Thailand for mongering, even if I have never bene there, st similar price levels.
[QUOTE=Margaya; 1519976]Guys,
If my Feb-March trip doesn't workout due to current unrest in LOS, which place in Asia would be your suggestion for a backup?
Angelas city? Jakarta? Any other?[/QUOTE]I was in Malaysia (Kuala Lumpur & Penang) & Indonesia (Jakarta & Bali) in the recent past. Really enjoyed all of it. Good for mongering, maybe not as good as Thailand but still good and nice places aswell.
Here's a link to an article in the 16 January Bangkok Post that I found interesting, and not in a good way.
A group of armed red-shirt militants, experienced with weapons use, who claim to be beyond the command and control of anyone, has stashed arms and ammunition in and around Bangkok. They are waiting to see what happens with the 2 February election. They also say they are prepared to challenge the military or any agency that intervenes in the dispute.
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/politics/389759/radical-reds-tocking-arms-for-city-fight[/url]
I read a great deal of scare-mongering on this forum.
I was here during the last coup and during the last red shirt 'insurrection', and I have the T-shirt to prove it. On neither occasion was it a big deal, unless you went out of your way to find trouble. If the airport gets closed (which both sides promise not to do) then it could be inconvenient.
Thailand is a big country. Just come out here, enjoy yourselves, and stop worrying.
[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1520235]I read a great deal of scare-mongering on this forum.
I was here during the last coup and during the last red shirt 'insurrection', and I have the T-shirt to prove it. On neither occasion was it a big deal, unless you went out of your way to find trouble. If the airport gets closed (which both sides promise not to do) then it could be inconvenient.
Thailand is a big country. Just come out here, enjoy yourselves, and stop worrying.[/QUOTE]Mouse1, I wrote in a recent post that if I had time and a ticket to fly out in the morning, I'd be on my way back.
I reported on the Bangkok Post article in the interest of full disclosure. Though I think it's unlikely, in a worst case scenario things could get very ugly and very dangerous. In which case as you point out, it's a big country.
I've been going to the Landmark Hotel website and using it's webcam to see what the traffic looks like on Sukhumvit. On Monday there was very little traffic. On Tuesday they re-positioned the cam so you couldn't see the street. Now they have it positioned so you can see traffic coming from the east. Compared to Monday there is quite a bit of traffic. Maybe not as much as normal, but taxis, cars and pickups, as well as motorbikes are getting through.
[QUOTE=Mac75;1520153]I was in Malaysia (Kuala Lumpur & Penang) & Indonesia (Jakarta & Bali) in the recent past. Really enjoyed all of it. Good for mongering, maybe not as good as Thailand but still good and nice places aswell.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=BionicMan; 1520103]Maybe Phuket, with its own airport can be a B plan. Ought be that the BKK big city is hit by extended protests.
Pattaya is out of question as too much depending on BKK airport.
As an alternative country I would vote for Philippines, the next to Thailand for mongering, even if I have never bene there, st similar price levels.[/QUOTE]Thanks guys. BionicMan's suggestion is brilliant, hopefully Phuket will avoid trouble alltogether. If worse comes to worse, I might have to switch to phillipines or Indonesia.
Speaking of scare mongering, it does seem like it is not business as usual esp at soicowboy. If things worsen or don't improve quickly, mongering in LOS may be a ridiculous misadventure for some time.
Just checked out the traffic on Sukhumvit on the Landmark's webcam. At 23:15 there was just a trickle of cars. I'm reading more reports that the numbers of people at the Asoke demonstration site grows at night. These reports say the sites are peaceful. Apparently the protesters spill over into Soi Cowboy. NEP is far removed from the protest site so it is less affected.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1520424]Just checked out the traffic on Sukhumvit on the Landmark's webcam. At 23:15 there was just a trickle of cars. I'm reading more reports that the numbers of people at the Asoke demonstration site grows at night. These reports say the sites are peaceful. Apparently the protesters spill over into Soi Cowboy. NEP is far removed from the protest site so it is less affected.[/QUOTE]I just spoke to the superstar girl Noi from Doll House and she said Soi Cowboy is a bit quiet but not really interfered with by the mob. She just suggested to enter from Soi 23. I probably might not use the Asoke Place short time Hotel. Doll House has special rooms upstairs for a ST fuck. Just a few bars have that. ST Hotel Penny Black is actually in Soi Cowboy, not that far from Asoke but may be still usable. Bars at Soi 23 end might well be favoured at the moment such as Crazy House, Baccara, Shark, although these last two suit tastes of guys who like the artificial fake girls (not many girls for me there). Interestingly Crazy House doesn't have lots of fake stuff but still attracts plenty of Japanese because the girls are just naturally superior looking, on average.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1520733]I just spoke to the superstar girl Noi from Doll House and she said Soi Cowboy is a bit quiet but not really interfered with by the mob. She just suggested to enter from Soi 23. I probably might not use the Asoke Place short time Hotel. Doll House has special rooms upstairs for a ST fuck. Just a few bars have that. ST Hotel Penny Black is actually in Soi Cowboy, not that far from Asoke but may be still usable. Bars at Soi 23 end might well be favoured at the moment such as Crazy House, Baccara, Shark, although these last two suit tastes of guys who like the artificial fake girls (not many girls for me there). Interestingly Crazy House doesn't have lots of fake stuff but still attracts plenty of Japanese because the girls are just naturally superior looking, on average.[/QUOTE]Just came through the Asoke / Sukhumvit junction and seen a noticeable increase in numbers and edginess of the men in black with their obligatory shades. They have shut down the skywalk across the intersection, the first indication showing they can take over the BTS network whenever they want to. My take. The so called Bangkok shutdown is not working hence the need to racket up the stakes. How they felt that upsetting the residents of Bangkok and affecting their financial wellbeing was going to further their agenda puzzles me. Bangkok along with the south is their base so why shut it down. Meanwhile tourists are flocking to Chiangmai where business is booming.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1520733]I just spoke to the superstar girl Noi from Doll House and she said Soi Cowboy is a bit quiet but not really interfered with by the mob. She just suggested to enter from Soi 23. I probably might not use the Asoke Place short time Hotel. Doll House has special rooms upstairs for a ST fuck. Just a few bars have that. ST Hotel Penny Black is actually in Soi Cowboy, not that far from Asoke but may be still usable. Bars at Soi 23 end might well be favoured at the moment such as Crazy House, Baccara, Shark, although these last two suit tastes of guys who like the artificial fake girls (not many girls for me there). Interestingly Crazy House doesn't have lots of fake stuff but still attracts plenty of Japanese because the girls are just naturally superior looking, on average.[/QUOTE]Just saw the report on the explosive. This explains the tension I witnessed.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;1520739]Just came through the Asoke / Sukhumvit junction and seen a noticeable increase in numbers and edginess of the men in black with their obligatory shades. They have shut down the skywalk across the intersection, the first indication showing they can take over the BTS network whenever they want to. My take. The so called Bangkok shutdown is not working hence the need to racket up the stakes. How they felt that upsetting the residents of Bangkok and affecting their financial wellbeing was going to further their agenda puzzles me. Bangkok along with the south is their base so why shut it down. Meanwhile tourists are flocking to Chiangmai where business is booming.[/QUOTE]They shut down the skywalk for security reasons. However no big deal.
Bangkok has had bombs before. Things were far worse when the red shirts were protesting in the past. So some of us not feeling such high "tension" with the throng at Asoke. They are good people (largely). It did not bother me to pass through the throng at all. I still feel safer late at night here than what I would in New York, because I am used to it here.
Its really only the possibility of large escalation of the situation if red shirts should mass and confront, that is the concern. Then army would be forced to act.
So Sukhumvit mongering does not need to be affected, more than mild inconveniences like intersection closed and skywalk closed. I will have fun in Sukhumvit today completely as normal.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1520424]Just checked out the traffic on Sukhumvit on the Landmark's webcam. At 23:15 there was just a trickle of cars. I'm reading more reports that the numbers of people at the Asoke demonstration site grows at night. These reports say the sites are peaceful. Apparently the protesters spill over into Soi Cowboy. NEP is far removed from the protest site so it is less affected.[/QUOTE]Last night the protesters on Asoke intersection were fairly thinly spread. Walking on East side of Asoke (Cowboy entrance area) was not blocked at all around midnight. So I guess some protesters may go home and come back again another time. Has a big entertainment stage right in the intersection to entertain those who stay the whole night. Seems like a normal outdoor concert but less packed with people.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1521013]Last night the protesters on Asoke intersection were fairly thinly spread. Walking on East side of Asoke (Cowboy entrance area) was not blocked at all around midnight. So I guess some protesters may go home and come back again another time. Has a big entertainment stage right in the intersection to entertain those who stay the whole night. Seems like a normal outdoor concert but less packed with people.[/QUOTE]I understand many officer workers are going to the Asoke intersection after work. Later at night they leave for home as they have to get up the next morning and go to work.
Funny Experience yesterday. A European guy and his Thai girl look lost. I am standing at Sukhumvit Soi 24 and looks like he just got of the Phrom Phong BTS. He asks me where is Soi 11. I say its a long way that way, but he should get back on the BTS rather than attempt to walk. He eventually admits he is looking for the Robin Hood (so Soi 11 is irrelevant). Ah, I say that that is across the road and head towards Asoke (at Soi 33/1). He insists it is the other direction and wants to head for Thonglor so I guess he has lost his bearings. Eventually I get out the Google Maps on the phone and show him us (blue spot) and RobinHood (red spot). Having smart phone with 3G is somewhat indespensible for the traveller not knowing his way around.
just a comment on the airport. i and a special lady from sakaeo (anesthesia nurse) flew over to singapore for a long weekend. when we arrived into the airport, around 10am, there were very few souls. when we got up to immigration and she went right to the thai side and i went up the farang side i have never seen so few people. maybe, maybe all of 12 rep001tered over a number of immigration officers.
maybe it was the time of day for i normally get in around 11:30am from the usa and it is crowded. i would like to see the spin tot puts on this.
[quote=jgm005; 1525407]just a comment on the airport. i and a special lady from sakaeo (anesthesia nurse) flew over to singapore for a long weekend. when we arrived into the airport, around 10am, there were very few souls. when we got up to immigration and she went right to the thai side and i went up the farang side i have never seen so few people. maybe, maybe all of 12 rep001tered over a number of immigration officers.
maybe it was the time of day for i normally get in around 11:30am from the usa and it is crowded. i would like to see the spin tot puts on this.[/quote]in a morning interview with tot, they said the best time for flights to arrive is around 10 am and stressed that the afternoon and late evening time periods are busy times, so plan accordingly.
[quote=jgm005; 1525407]just a comment on the airport. i and a special lady from sakaeo (anesthesia nurse) flew over to singapore for a long weekend. when we arrived into the airport, around 10am, there were very few souls. when we got up to immigration and she went right to the thai side and i went up the farang side i have never seen so few people. maybe, maybe all of 12 rep001tered over a number of immigration officers.
maybe it was the time of day for i normally get in around 11:30am from the usa and it is crowded. i would like to see the spin tot puts on this.[/quote]to jgm005.
i arrive on cathay pacific from hong kong last week the flight was full arrive at 11. am only 3 people ahead of me at immgrations take the citylink train and mtr one stop to my hotel at asok i was in my room by 1pm.
fast eddie 48
Here are the ten countries in Euromonitor's database who consume the most liquor:
South Korea — 11. 2 shots / week.
Russia — 5. 0 shots / week.
Thailand — 4. 8 shots / week.
Poland — 4. 0 shots / week.
Japan — 3. 6 shots / week.
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Who would have guessed. Any credence that the tourists are the main players or is it the local people. I would pick sex over liquor any day.
Hello members,
This will be my maiden trip to Thailand. I'm planning for ten or twelve days together. 5 or 6 days in pats. 3 days in Phuket. 2 days in BKK. I have few doubts regarding my trip and other details. I'm putting down things my queries here. I hope some of you will take patience and time to answer them. Some of them might be silly and naïve. Its because of information glut in internet, I get doubts regarding even basic things. Sorry for the trouble.
1) I'm planning my trip in June or July. Is it ok? Will there be too much floods by then?
2) I assess Pattaya as the best place for spending more no of days with respect to availability of choices in girls? Rooms? Etc is it right?
3) Where should I spend more no of days? BKK or Pattaya?
4) I heard we can get on-arrrival visa for tourist people for 2 weeks. Is it right? Will it be a hassle getting VISA on arrival?
5) I'm a loner. So when I book the room should I take single occupancy or double? Will they allow the girl to stay with me for Lt at nights if I take single occupancy?
6) Are there good hotels which can give rooms with bathtub or Jacuzzi facility, gym, wi-fi facility and decent housekeeping for around 1000bahts for a day? If some name a few best ones in BKK and Pattaya?
7) Where is better to exchange currency to get the best value? I'm from India. So I think its better to do it here itself. What is your opinion friends?
8) Though my trip is mainly for mongering, I would like to do other things too like scuba etc. Do suggest some places for that?
9) I would also like to know good salons for men in Pattaya where you can get good services for hair removal etc?
10) Which is the best places in patts and BKK in terms of girls? Quality and service? I know it depends but I just want to know about the average situation in June and July?
11) Is there any pick up joints for working girls? I'm trying dating websites also. Will it be helpful? If so tell me which ones are good in terms of genuine profiles?
12) How do to manage food? I heard its very costly for quality food? I'm a non vegetarian so no problem. But still will food be a problem.
13) Go-go or karaoke or BJ bar or massage parlours or BJ –bars? Which is the best deal for ST and LT respectively?
14) A major question. How to differentiate between girls and ladyboys? I have a big aversion towards them. How to avoid if some ladyboy is persisting you?
15) Suggest some good and cost effective soapies in BKK and Pattaya?
Now few general questions.
16) Where can I get cialis or any kind of that pills? In airport is it possible?
17) Where are duty free liquor shops located?
18) What are things to be bought in shopping in BKK and patts? The best one should buy in Thailand?
19) One more important question. Where can I get perfect tattooing done? BKK or pats? Name the best artists who are good? I don't want to catch any kind of disease?
20) Is it good to hire a 2 wheeler or is it convenient to take public transportation for travelling? I think going through different soi and places will be difficult? Is it so?
21) Which is the best quality condoms in Thailand. Are the common brands available there? I don't want to catch any kind of disease.
22) I will be landing in BKK don muang airport. What is the best way to go to patts? Taxi or train?
I might have more questions. Will follow it up later. I hope some of our members will answer my questions. I'm waiting.
Happy Mongering guys. Take care.
[QUOTE=IndStallion31; 1532862]Hello members,
9) I would also like to know good salons for men in Pattaya where you can get good services for hair removal etc?
Happy Mongering guys. Take care.[/QUOTE]This is new, so you want all your hair totally removed from your head? Is this a popular procedure in India?
I suspect no one is going to answer your questions because you haven't made an effort to RTFF. Many have spent time and effort contributing here for your benefit.
[QUOTE=IndStallion31; 1532862]Hello members,
This will be my maiden trip to Thailand. .[/QUOTE]Don't be so lazy, Stall. All of your questions are already answered if you spend time reading.
[QUOTE=IndStallion31; 1532862]Hello members,
This will be my maiden trip to Thailand. I'm planning for ten or twelve days together. 5 or 6 days in pats. 3 days in Phuket. 2 days in BKK. I have few doubts regarding my trip and other details. Sorry for the trouble.[/QUOTE]No trouble. Just stay in India and enjoy the local sights. You are just too lazy to RTFF. Ask specific questions and if you haven't found the answers we'll gladly help you.
BTW (By the Way) do RTFF (Read the F*g Forum)
[QUOTE=IndStallion31;1532862]This will be my maiden trip to Thailand. I'm planning for ten or twelve days together. 5 or 6 days in pats. 3 days in Phuket. 2 days in BKK. I have few doubts regarding my trip and other details. I'm putting down things my queries here. I hope some of you will take patience and time to answer them. Some of them might be silly and naïve. Its because of information glut in internet, I get doubts regarding even basic things. Sorry for the trouble.[/QUOTE]You had the cheek to post this same list of questions on another forum, where someone was kind enough to respond. Now you post the same questions here. The other answers weren't good enough for you? You want us all to busy ourselves answering your rather ignorant questions?
RTFF indeed.
[QUOTE=IndStallion31; 1532862]Hello members,
This will be my maiden trip to Thailand. (snip) [/QUOTE]Here are your answers:
1) No one has been able to predict the weather with any accuracy for longer than 5 days. Your question cannot be reliably answered.
2) Yes.
3) It depends on what you want to do and your budget.
4) Check with the Thai embassy or consulate.
5) To be on the safe side take a double occupancy.
6) For 1000 bath you will not get that kind of room.
7) I always exchange money in one of the many banks or money changer stalls. Never do it in hotels.
8) You can do scuba diving in Pattaya and Phuket
9) I have no idea: my hair disappears by itself.
10) Pattaya: Soi 6; Bangkok: Soi Cowboy.
11) Pattaya: Soi 6, Beach Road, Walking Street, . ; Bangkok: Soi Cowboy, Nana, Thanon Sukumvhit.
12) Thailand is the land of good food. I think it is tasty and cheap.
13) I favor the agogo clubs.
14) Just ask them.
15) Bangkok: Annies.
Now few general questions.
16) Almost any pharmacy.
17) In the airport, but not when you are arriving. You have to buy your duty free liquor when leaving your country.
18) Dried fruits, silk ties, girlfriends.
19) I have no idea.
20) Take public transportation.
21) I always bring my own from home.
22) Define "best". A taxi will be most expensive but most convenient. Public transport will be cheap but if you are new to Bangkok, it will be a hassle.
Credit Suisse is projecting Thailand tourism will be flat this year rather than growing by 7.5% as it predicted earlier. It says historically Malaysia's tourist industry is highly negatively correlated with Thailand. To a lesser degree the same is true for Indonesia. In other words, many tourists change their destinations to one of these two other countries. While there is not much of a mongering scene in Malaysia, Jakarta is a surprisingly good and relatively unknown monger's destination.
I'm still planning to visit Bangkok for a few weeks in June and early July. Nothing short of armed insurrection and gun battles raging on Sukhumvit will keep me away. But those of you with less of an appetite for excitement may want to read up on Jakarta night life and read the appropriate threads in ISG.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1534192]Here are your answers:
1) No one has been able to predict the weather with any accuracy for longer than 5 days. Your question cannot be reliably answered.
2) Yes.
3) It depends on what you want to do and your budget.
4) Check with the Thai embassy or consulate.
5) To be on the safe side take a double occupancy.
6) For 1000 bath you will not get that kind of room..[/QUOTE]Wolvenvacht,
Thanks! It will be my virgin trip (due to the crackdown in China). Thanks for the answers. It has helped me immensely.
A couple of additional questions:
1) What type of liquor do Thai girls like to drink? I like to stock my room for visitors.
2) It is a good idea to reserve hotels online? Since it is my first time, I won't know where I will like best. I will be there 10 days. I was thinking 3 days in Bangkok and then 3 in Pattaya and the rest will go to the place I like the best. Is there a price difference booking in person (or extending your stay) vs booking online?
[QUOTE=Hioctane;1534605]1) What type of liquor do Thai girls like to drink? I like to stock my room for visitors.[/QUOTE]99 times out of 100 Thai girls are not going to drink in the room. They are social drinkers. They will drink in a big disco with their friends or they will drink in the club to build up the courage to go with a farang. 9 times out of 10 there is no alcohol in those lady drinks that mongers like to buy for the girls in the bar. I would say when they do go out and drink then their top drinks are Absolut, Blend 285, Bacardi Breezer. You will see the girls who have farang sponsors buying bottles of Courvoisier at 3000 baht / pop. If it's beer then San Miguel Light. The bar in my room has been stocked for years and the truth of the matter is that they don't drink the shit when they come over. And I hardly ever drink so. The few times they have asked for a drink they have not finished it, so it was liquor gone to waste. One of the most heavily drinking Thai women I know came over sober last night and all she has been drinking since she got here is water. So make sure you have plenty of that on hand. I wouldn't worry about alcohol.
[QUOTE=Hioctane; 1534605]Wolvenvacht,
Thanks! It will be my virgin trip (due to the crackdown in China). Thanks for the answers. It has helped me immensely.
A couple of additional questions:
1) What type of liquor do Thai girls like to drink? I like to stock my room for visitors.
2) It is a good idea to reserve hotels online? Since it is my first time, I won't know where I will like best. I will be there 10 days. I was thinking 3 days in Bangkok and then 3 in Pattaya and the rest will go to the place I like the best. Is there a price difference booking in person (or extending your stay) vs booking online?[/QUOTE]Most girls I got in my room where happy to drink some water, tea or fruit juice. I never drink alcohol myself, so I don't even have it in my room. Never got a complaint about that.
I reserve my hotels through.
[url]http://www.booking.com[/url]
It is perfectly possible to do your reservations "on the spot" if you know where to go, but that is a hassle I am not interested in. If you are only a short time in country, then reserving up-front saves you time. When my Thai GF makes a booking in person she gets a better price and a discount. That never happened to me. Cheers for Thai GF that takes good care of me!
How busy might the airport be on a Monday at 1pm? This will be in May, off season so I'm hoping it will be a quick run through.
It is good hygiene to not drink from open containers in strangers hotel rooms so don't be offended. They have no more wish to wake up in an ice tub with a surgical scar at the side of the abdomen than we do.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1534294]Credit Suisse is projecting Thailand tourism will be flat this year rather than growing by 7. 5% as it predicted earlier. It says historically Malaysia's tourist industry is highly negatively correlated with Thailand. To a lesser degree the same is true for Indonesia. In other words, many tourists change their destinations to one of these two other countries. While there is not much of a mongering scene in Malaysia, Jakarta is a surprisingly good and relatively unknown monger's destination.
I'm still planning to visit Bangkok for a few weeks in June and early July. Nothing short of armed insurrection and gun battles raging on Sukhumvit will keep me away. But those of you with less of an appetite for excitement may want to read up on Jakarta night life and read the appropriate threads in ISG.[/QUOTE]Whoever told you that Jakarta is an unknown mongering destination? Just read (as you wrote yourself) the Jakarta threads and you will be enlightened.
Regards,
Ko
[QUOTE=Koperen Karel; 1535412]Whoever told you that Jakarta is an unknown mongering destination? Just read (as you wrote yourself) the Jakarta threads and you will be enlightened.
Regards,
Ko[/QUOTE]Notice I didn't write unknown; I wrote relatively unknown. I meant relative to places like Bangkok, Pattaya and Angeles City. Of course, many men have "discovered" Jakarta. And some of these men post on ISG. It is hardly unknown.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1535000]How busy might the airport be on a Monday at 1pm? This will be in May, off season so I'm hoping it will be a quick run through.[/QUOTE]Go to the Airport Arrivals section of the Airport web site and look to see how many planes are landing every 15 minutes from 1100 to 1400. Assume 200 passengers per plane (discount internal flights) and multiply the number of landings by 200 for each 15 minute period.
You will then see if 1300-1315 arrivals estimated numbers compare with the quarter hours before and after 1300. You will be able to see how busy relatively your arrival time is.
Alternatively travel Club Class and use Fast Track.
Alternatively I have a piece of string for sale. You can measure it that will tell you how busy the airport will be.
Here are the deadliest countries with automobile accidents, along with the number of fatalities per 100, 000 residents. Note that there's only one overlapping country, Malawi. ("Congo" refers to the Republic of the Congo, not the Democratic Republic of the Congo, which is a completely separate country.)
1. Namibia (45)
2. Thailand (44)
3. Iran (38)
4. Sudan (36)
5. Swaziland (36)
6. Venezuela (35)
7. Congo (34)
8. Malawi (32)
9. Dominican Republic (32)
10. Iraq (32)
[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1536491]Here are the deadliest countries with automobile accidents, along with the number of fatalities per 100, 000 residents. Note that there's only one overlapping country, Malawi. ("Congo" refers to the Republic of the Congo, not the Democratic Republic of the Congo, which is a completely separate country.)
1. Namibia (45)
2. Thailand (44) [/QUOTE]Thailand is leadings in this because the number of motorcycles. None of the other countries has as many. 80% of the road deaths are from a motorcycle. Taken that out, considering car and trucks deaths only Thailand would not rank so bad.
[QUOTE=El Flaco;1536499]Thailand is leadings in this because the number of motorcycles. None of the other countries has as many. 80% of the road deaths are from a motorcycle. Taken that out, considering car and trucks deaths only Thailand would not rank so bad.[/QUOTE]That does make perfect sense; the same in the Dominican Republic.
Thanks for the input.
[QUOTE=Koperen Karel;1535412]Whoever told you that Jakarta is an unknown mongering destination? Just read (as you wrote yourself) the Jakarta threads and you will be enlightened.[/QUOTE]Lets keep it a secret!
[QUOTE=El Flaco;1536499]Thailand is leadings in this because the number of motorcycles. None of the other countries has as many. 80% of the road deaths are from a motorcycle. Taken that out, considering car and trucks deaths only Thailand would not rank so bad.[/QUOTE]Exactly right. And take out alcohol and there would even less. So stay sober and on four wheels, and you're better off in Thailand than most places in Asia (India, China, etc.) , never mind Africa. But then most tourists will never go to places like that, so I think it kind of gives them a little thrill to come here and think, oh Thailand, it's so dangerous!
Does Thailand sell generic Cialis (Tadanfil) and how much? I tried doing a search but the results don't take me to the post.
Of course you can buy it in Thailand. Price, you will need to ask the people at the pharmacy
Actually, bona-fide Cialis generic is almost impossible to find, or if you have specific information post it here.
So, farmacies will only keep the original one, some are reported to even sell fakes, but perfectly counterfeited.
I had no problem finding it around nana. Soi 4 and sukhumvet area. Cost more than vitamin V. Out of the way small places most likely don't have it though
Handy guide for first timers taking bus to Pattaya from the BKK airport.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9n4Hx_fOA[/url]
Lot of people quote Stickman like he is Moses or some great prophet, I don't but this is an article from his site that somewhat relates to the on going discussion on the Bangkok thread. If you're thinking about marrying a Thai woman read this and come to your own conclusion. The article was written by someone named Arthur, would it be you Mr. Tick from Chaing Mai?
[url]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Reader/reader1803.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=Run Mann; 1539964]this is an article from his site that somewhat relates to the on going discussion on the Bangkok thread. If you're thinking about marrying a Thai woman read this and come to your own conclusion.
[url]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Reader/reader1803.htm[/url][/QUOTE]This article was carefully thought through and very well written. Thanks for posting the link.
Over the years I've know a number of couples with different racial, ethnic, cultural and / or religious backgrounds. I was married to a woman who though also from the USA had a very different regional (cultural) background than me. I've also been in long term relationships with a woman from Eastern Europe and one from the Middle East. I've had a lot of conversations and learned a few things about these matters over the years.
Any long term relationship is a challenge, even when two people come from the same homogeneous close knit community. To the extent to which each person's background varies, the relationship becomes more challenging. Men who have had difficulties in relationships with women with similar backgrounds to their own may want to think carefully about whether moving to Thailand to find a mate is a good idea. Move to the LOS for a lower cost of living, a tropical climate, great food and a plethora of relatively inexpensive sex workers; but don't go there expecting to find a better mate than you were able to find at home. Maybe you'll get lucky. I wouldn't bet on it.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1546541]Where, in your opinion?
I read the forums regularly (and travel often sticking my nose into odd places) , and do not have said insight. Not Cambodia, it's in decline. Not the Philippines, in serious decline, with AC being a holdout. Not Laos, oh no, girlies are still quite underground. Not China or Vietnam for sure. Plenty of prostitutes, but quite mercenary, no trace of relaxed Thai GFE attitudes of the 1990s and early 2000s. Where! Burma? Indonesia? Saudi Arabia?
Sure, a fair number of prostitutes can be found in almost any country (with the exception of Saudi or USA) , but I haven't traveled anywhere that approaches Thailand's golden age (say, Pattaya in early 2000s) by a mile.[/QUOTE]What's your definition of "golden age" & relaxed "GFE attitudes?
The PI certainly has a rep for the GFE and LT sessions being allowed by the girls. If that is what you'ld liken to a "golden age" & how it was from 1990 to the early 2000's, then I'd say the present Siam is what I'd prefer and call a superior golden age.
I don't care for clingy, chatty, LT, or girls who want you to cum inside & impregnate them. I do enjoy BB, DFK & a nice friendly fun girl who will, apart from sexercise, keep her mouth shut & is willing to please. In today's LOS, & since the mid 2000's, I have had my wish come true & discovered this easy enough to obtain.
Moreover since that time to 2013 in my area of interest prices have remained at 1000 baht ST with the quality & quantity remaining fairly constant. So zero percent inflation. BTW low seasons IME tend to be more golden than high seasons.
Further, from recent reports since the protests of Suthep late last year, there is some anecdotal evidence that BKK is presently experiencing something of what may be described as a golden period. That is, reports stating how easy it is to pick up the more stunning ladies at the gogos, etc.
The Stickman article that got this whole "golden years" discussion going was based on one guy's experience. It made some silly comments about prices now being the same in BKK as in the West. It spoke of TGs today being fat relative to the thin days of a quarter century ago. If almost anorexic is your thing, then maybe that is golden. Others prefer girls with a bit of meat on their bones & a curve or two.
So maybe Mr Stick should look elsewhere in Asia, to countries that don't have the golden arches on every corner, & the culture remains relatively pure & uninfected with Westernism. Like it was in the alleged heyday of the Kingdom.
OTOH there's always Africa where those unhappy with present day LOS can have stunners for a daily banana.
Re "no trace of relaxed Thai GFE attitudes of the 1990s and early 2000s." How many ladies from these countries have you been with? I'd suggest trying more. I expect that in any country on this tiny ball we live on, & certainly the ones listed, one could find what I'd call a relaxed GFE. Though I'd settle for an exciting turned on horny girl GFE too. As it can be found amongst your mercenary nationalities in mechanical SG, where can it not be found?
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1547098]That is, reports stating how easy it is to pick up the more stunning ladies at the gogos, etc.[/QUOTE]I guess that's where we differ. It's been many years since I saw stunning girls at agogos, or anywhere in the Farang nightlife areas. Simply compare any agogo with Siam BTS station, and it's obvious they only range from dogs to acceptable. Thai working girls have never been exactly top-notch looks-wise (good looking girls rarely get into the industry and tend to get out quickly) , but used to more than make up for it with great attitudes. Which is no longer the case, in addition to declining looks. On Sukhumwit, I find that the best looking girls these days are those good looking girls from 5 years ago. Just older and more jaded.
As for elsewhere in Asia (e. G. China / Vietnam) , sure you can strike a nice one once in 5-10 sessions, but since I'm still under 50, given those odds, I'd rather invest time, money & effort in actual girlfriends.
Of course, for someone who just flew in from Bumfuck, Iowa, available girls in Bangkok are absolutely amazing, but for a resident the decline is difficult to miss.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1547568]I guess that's where we differ. It's been many years since I saw stunning girls at agogos, or anywhere in the Farang nightlife areas. Simply compare any agogo with Siam BTS station, and it's obvious they only range from dogs to acceptable. Thai working girls have never been exactly top-notch looks-wise (good looking girls rarely get into the industry and tend to get out quickly) , but used to more than make up for it with great attitudes. Which is no longer the case, in addition to declining looks. On Sukhumwit, I find that the best looking girls these days are those good looking girls from 5 years ago. Just older and more jaded.
As for elsewhere in Asia (e. G. China / Vietnam) , sure you can strike a nice one once in 5-10 sessions, but since I'm still under 50, given those odds, I'd rather invest time, money & effort in actual girlfriends.
Of course, for someone who just flew in from Bumfuck, Iowa, available girls in Bangkok are absolutely amazing, but for a resident the decline is difficult to miss.[/QUOTE]You've not seen a single stunning girl in "many years" in Go Go's or "anywhere in the Farang nightlife areas?" Very hard to believe.
And at best they only range from "dogs to acceptable?" LOL.
If you once drove a Ferrari Modena and now could only afford a brand new Porsche 911, would you then complain the Porsche was really a crap box? Yes, you might in fact IF you took the Ferrari for granted and became complacent, spoiled, and jaded.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1547568]I guess that's where we differ. It's been many years since I saw stunning girls at agogos, or anywhere in the Farang nightlife areas. Simply compare any agogo with Siam BTS station, and it's obvious they only range from dogs to acceptable. Thai working girls have never been exactly top-notch looks-wise (good looking girls rarely get into the industry and tend to get out quickly) , but used to more than make up for it with great attitudes. Which is no longer the case, in addition to declining looks. On Sukhumwit, I find that the best looking girls these days are those good looking girls from 5 years ago. Just older and more jaded.
As for elsewhere in Asia (e. G. China / Vietnam) , sure you can strike a nice one once in 5-10 sessions, but since I'm still under 50, given those odds, I'd rather invest time, money & effort in actual girlfriends.
Of course, for someone who just flew in from Bumfuck, Iowa, available girls in Bangkok are absolutely amazing, but for a resident the decline is difficult to miss.[/QUOTE]I've spent about half my time residing in BKK since 07 & have not noticed a decline in looks in the street walker scene. Gogos, MP's & other types of P4P or FLs are not my thing, so I won't comment on what I haven't experienced. Even with the street scene I am not out there 24/7/365 & restrict myself to a very small area.
Within the past 3 years I've picked up some of the hottest girls I've ever seen anywhere, including SG, Siam, MBK, tens of thousands of online porn images, etc. These were found at the Nana parking lot NEP area vicinity, working from the street as FL. I had no real problem with their attitudes as they were polite friendly & willing to please, including BB sex. Of course people living in BKK who only occasionally visit the scene, just like short visiting sex tourists, may easily miss finding such gems. If you want to do the crime, you need to put in the time.
As for GFs, they are anathema to me, as are any clingy creatures who can't stop chatting & get physical. So I prefer to find keepers in P4P, often those fresh off the farm who speak no English or are deaf & dumb, but happy to spread their legs for what is, to them, a lot of baht. The infamous lower Suhkumvit area will forever attract this type of girl.
I would appreciate it if some of you gentlemen would take the time to reply to this post with any knowledge, experience or thoughts you have on this topic.
For some time I've taken 5mg of Cialis daily for a benign enlarged prostate. I'm not convinced it's doing anything for my prostate. It does affect my sex life. Without taking an ED medication the best I can manage is a semi-hard-on with the use of so called herbal or natural ED pills. With daily Cialis I can get a raging hard-on any time of the day or night, including immediately after ejaculating. Unfortunately as I bang away, even on a tight, sweet, young pussy, it feels as though my dick is rather numb, it's difficult for me to cum and my orgasm is a bit of a mild letdown.
So I've tried an experiment. I went of the Cialis for three days. It's supposed to take up to 36-hours for the medication to get out of your system. Sometimes I overdo things. Then I've experimented with Viagra (50mg) and Levitra (10mg). I write the brand names but I'm actually using good quality generics. Here is my observation. The Viagra takes a good hour before I notice any significant effects. I'm able to get a great erection from about 1 hour until about 5 hours later. As much as 12 hours later I still get some diminished benefits. I have more sensitivity, climax more easily and my orgasms feel more intense. Levitra seems to work faster. It takes full effect in 45 minutes or less, seems to last a little longer but while better than Cialis is not as good as Viagra for not diminishing the sensitivity and intensity of the orgasm. I also notice I get mild side effects from Levitra: a mild headache and a stuffy feeling but no mucus production in my nose. I can also get these side-effects with 20mg doses of Cialis. I get no unwanted side effects from the Viagra. However, even with the Viagra I would not describe the sensitivity and intensity as being as good as I experienced even ten years ago when I was not taking any ED medications (I'll be 63 this summer).
I take everything I just reported with a grain of salt. I'm one subject. I know which medications I take each time. While I have long experience with Cialis, my experiences with the Viagra and Levitra are much more limited.
I am having great fun conducting these experiments with a couple of local strippers who find it funny, and profitable, that I'm using them to advance science.
So my question is simple. I'd like to know what the good readers' experiences on this matter may be. I've done searches on the subject, and while there is a plethora of information, and nonsense, on the general topic, I've not run across anything that directly addresses what I'm trying to determine. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong places.
I appreciate any thoughts or information you may wish to share.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1548399]I would appreciate it if some of you gentlemen would take the time to reply to this post with any knowledge, experience or thoughts you have on this topic.
For some time I've taken 5mg of Cialis daily for a benign enlarged prostate. I'm not convinced it's doing anything for my prostate. It does affect my sex life. Without taking an ED medication the best I can manage is a semi-hard-on with the use of so called herbal or natural ED pills. With daily Cialis I can get a raging hard-on any time of the day or night, including immediately after ejaculating. Unfortunately as I bang away, even on a tight, sweet, young pussy, it feels as though my dick is rather numb, it's difficult for me to cum and my orgasm is a bit of a mild letdown.
So I've tried an experiment. I went of the Cialis for three days. It's supposed to take up to 36-hours for the medication to get out of your system. Sometimes I overdo things. Then I've experimented with Viagra (50mg) and Levitra (10mg). I write the brand names but I'm actually using good quality generics. Here is my observation. The Viagra takes a good hour before I notice any significant effects. I'm able to get a great erection from about 1 hour until about 5 hours later. As much as 12 hours later I still get some diminished benefits. I have more sensitivity, climax more easily and my orgasms feel more intense. Levitra seems to work faster. It takes full effect in 45 minutes or less, seems to last a little longer but while better than Cialis is not as good as Viagra for not diminishing the sensitivity and intensity of the orgasm. I also notice I get mild side effects from Levitra: a mild headache and a stuffy feeling but no mucus production in my nose. I can also get these side-effects with 20mg doses of Cialis. I get no unwanted side effects from the Viagra. However, even with the Viagra I would not describe the sensitivity and intensity as being as good as I experienced even ten years ago when I was not taking any ED medications (I'll be 63 this summer).
I take everything I just reported with a grain of salt. I'm one subject. I know which medications I take each time. While I have long experience with Cialis, my experiences with the Viagra and Levitra are much more limited.
I am having great fun conducting these experiments with a couple of local strippers who find it funny, and profitable, that I'm using them to advance science.
So my question is simple. I'd like to know what the good readers' experiences on this matter may be. I've done searches on the subject, and while there is a plethora of information, and nonsense, on the general topic, I've not run across anything that directly addresses what I'm trying to determine. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong places.
I appreciate any thoughts or information you may wish to share.[/QUOTE]All of your symptoms are quite common. They just tend to vary in intensity by individual, and by type of medication.
Loss of sensitivity is a common side effect. I have friends who report that, and I have experienced it with Cialis, too. Also when mixing C and Levitra as an experiment.
I find that Viagra causes me to become quite stuffy and flushed from about 45 minutes after ingestion, for about 30. 40 minutes. If I take too much I tend to get something akin to heart palpitations, for lack of a better word. Very unpleasant.
Levitra has similar, but much milder, side effects.
I like Cialis due to having less sever side effects, but in my case it takes several hours to begin having an effect. I need to take it over a few days to see significant effects. One funny story, similar to yours. Several years ago, during a trip to BKK, I took 20mg every day for several days. Things were OK but one day it happened. I was exiting the Skytrain with my ex-GF who I've always though was very pretty. We exited at MBK, she was slightly in front of me. I looked down at her shapely ass in her jeans and BAM! Instant tent pole and there was nothing I could do about it. Luckily my pants were slightly baggy. I was very embarrassed walking into MBK sporting major wood.
I find that all give me something of a headache and / or stiff neck later that night.
In your case, it sounds like you're on a bit too heavy of a dosage of C. Have you considered 2. 5mg per day? Or 5 every other day?
[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1548429]All of your symptoms are quite common. They just tend to vary in intensity by individual, and by type of medication.
In your case, it sounds like you're on a bit too heavy of a dosage of C. Have you considered 2. 5mg per day? Or 5 every other day?[/QUOTE]Thank you, I really appreciate the information. Cutting back the dose may work. I'll try that, starting with 2.5mg per day, because after a few trials with the Viagra or Levitra I'd go about 48 hours taking nothing and then do 5mg of Cialis. I'd still experience the diminished sensation. I know Cialis generally takes 36 hours to get out of your system, so you always have some of the last dose in your system when you take your next dose.
I think I just need to continue my experiment and try different doses.
I suspect you're right. There are great individual differences in reactions to different medications and doses.
Your story about walking into MBK with a raging erection is funny. Baggy pants or not, you know at least a few other ladies noticed.
Ok fellas. It's been a while but here is my report.
First off I apologize if it's a little lengthy. The thing is 1. I will be reporting on two areas. 2. I will be sharing some of the thoughts and experiences of my wingman who is not on the board. Going forward I'll refer to him as "Sam". In addition to this I normally don't bring up race and age as an important factor however IMO (and that of my wingman) in Thailand it was a relevant in some instances. That said on with my report.
So we decided to hit Thailand and Philippines this trip.
The first night we landed in Bangkok with plans to spend one night and then fly out to Philippines in the morning we have both been to Thailand before so we are a bit seasoned. Since we were only staying one night in BKK we decided to share a room at our old favorite the dynasty. We like that place because it has a sweet little alley way you can take the girls thru instead of doing the walk of shame thru the lobby.
Now both of us tend to to go for SWers as opposed to MPs, GoGos. Just our personal preference. To each their own. That said since we were sharing a room the first night we figured logistically it may be better for us to hit up a MP to get our rock off there as opposed to playing hot potato with the room while someone waited. We went to a place that was suggested to us off of soi 11. Sorry I don't have more details. I guess if I really liked the experience I would have written down all the particulars. Anyhow we are ushered in and agree to the 700 baht 1 hour full body massage with hope of a happy ending. I am in the room for 10 min and she pitches the happy ending. I ask her what she wants and she rep lies with 2000 baht. I say no partly because the fella who recommended the place told me he pays 1k and because I thought it was too much. Long story short we go back and forth for a while and settle on like 1300 and her frowning face. She scoots off and quickly returns with condom and towel. Right off she tell me certain positions are restricted. Like doggy style, her on top. And basically any other position I really like. 10 min into the position SHE wants to be in she asks me if I came? I didn't and told her so and the reason why. She said ok well hurry. I said no its fine we can stop and I paid her the 1300. She then extended her hand for a tip. Let's just say some facial expressions need no translation. I left and asked her to tell Sam I went back to the hotel.
When Sam met me back at the hotel he told me he had a similar experience. He was rushed and she tried to gouge him for 2300. We decided we need to find others girls for the night and this time freelancers. We grab some food and one of the street establishments. We like these places because we can eat a decent meal for like 100 baht and we get to see some regular local girls who happen to be eating there also.
After we finish eating its now around 2AM and we know our chances will begin to dwindle as the night goes on. Time to rock and roll. Within walking distance from our hotel there is a little area that seems to have a high population of arabic people. I tend to like the look many arabic women have so I always find myself going to that little area while in Bangkok (Another thing is the last time I was there a Thai girl stopped me on the street saying "please wait. My friend soon come back. She saw you earlier and wants you." long story short her friend was arab and we hooked up. Nice GFE). So w are walking thru the area and see like three women in nearly full Burkas standing on the side of the road. I think nothing of them until I one of them locked eyes with me. I thought "no, wait? Is she?". Next thing I know she grabs my are and says "short time 1000 baht?" I'm like. Hell yeah lets go! Later on that night Sam told me his thought process was similar to mine when he looked back and saw me speaking with her.
Anyhow the walk to the hotel and the stares we got was comedic gold. Imagine an Iranian woman in a full black burke walking down the street with a dark skinned black dude in the middle of a red light district in BKK. I could hardly contain my laughter. We get back to the room and I got to say I never thought I would ever see the day a woman would be stripping off a burka in front of me so we could have sex. The novelty of it all was a turn on in itself even if she was not the finest (about a 7) specimen in the world. That said I kept my cool because I knew I had a golden opportunity here about potential inside mongering info info in Iran. So I made sure I grilled her with all my questions before we started. For those interested she said its dead unless you know a local. Even then its really difficult in Iran. Nothing like Asia. I figured as much but Just wanted the inside scoop.
We had a nice session. No rushing, GFE, She came multiple times. After we were done I met up with Sam he met a girl and it was time to pass the room on over. I waited downstairs and chatted with the the local Lady boys while waiting for him. They always seem to be nice to converse with and at 4am basically they were the only ones left on the street.
After Sam was done we went back up and crashed. We woke up early to calls from the states. Apparently our flight was in the air the same time as the "missing" Malaysian flight.
We were off the next AM to Philippines. I will report the details of that trip over in the AC forum.
We returned to Thailand and it was straight to Pattaya. 1200 baht for a taxi. I hear shuttle is cheaper. IMO it is in every respect better than BKK. 1. Nicer more relaxed ambiance 2. Easier to get around 3. Cheaper prices for everything 4. Many more hotel or apartment options 5. The possibility of hooking up with Russian tourists. And a host of other reasons I have been to Patty before but decided to RTFF to get some hotel ideas. You guys rock but I didn't decide on any of the ones I saw mentioned. Sam and I tend to like more low key spots where we can fly under the radar. Yeah I know we are only visiting and will probably never see these people again. However we still want a little privacy when bringing girls back. Most of the ones mentioned were either on the main road or had bars downstairs with too much going on. That said when we got there I decided to take a stroll and price shop. Unfortunately for me we got there and noon and it was an inferno. I eventually won and found a nice apartment / hotel on a quiet side street off 2nd road callerathome apartments. The place seems pretty new, it has wifi, balcony, tv, ac, fridge. All the basic amenities. No bar downstairs and only two people at the desk at any given time who are usually paying us very little attention. For 900 baht a night we found it to be a steal Pattaya action as usual never disappointed. We had fun meeting girls on the beach road or just by chance. I will just mention situations worth noting.
One late night we were eating and a couple of girls were on their way home. They were a little on the chubby side but one was clearly better looking. I fell back and let my friend take her back. I couldn't take one for the team with the friend / cousin because she was just too large. He said he had a great time with her. The following night we bumped into them again only this time there were 3. And the new edition was to die for. Sam was now kicking himself in the head because he knew I would go after her and he couldn't pass up the lady he was with the night before we went back to the hotel and come to find out the girl was a newbie. Yep according to her I was the 2nd man she had been with. The next day Sam told me her friend told him the same thing while they were in the room."you friend I hope he be gentle". It was and it was a nice GFE.
Aside from working girls we did try our hand at regular girls. Both Thai and Tourists. Sam is of the opinion that I had an advantage over him with the Thai because of the way I look. First I'm black and there are relatively few black people in Patty. Many of the regular Thai women seemed to be curious. Most of the ones I was with said I was the first black person they were ever with. Often times I was stopped on the street and women asked to touch my skin. We get regular foot massages (legit) while in thai and at the end the always do a quick scalp massage. They ask if my hair is real. Once I say yes they say something to the other girls and they all ask permission to touch my hair.
I once asked a girl what was up with all that and she told me it may sound funny but the only time some of them see black people is on TV. White, Indian. People they are used to seeing. I am sure my color could have rubbed some people the wrong way but I didn't experience it.
The other factor he thinks helped me with regular girls is age. I am about 20 years younger than him. Personally I think money reigns supreme when it comes to motivating women but meh. Who knows. Now twice we did exchange info with regular girls a few times but no fruits. I think what works best is if you meet them online before coming so you can build the rapport and anticipation. Meeting a girl on the street and expecting to hook up first night probably won't happen.
Now the Russian tourists are everywhere and may have better luck with them as they are under the same vaycay time constraints. However and we had zero luck with them. Maybe we needed more time or to hang out in areas they were hanging out in; but it seemed hard to even get eye contact out of them. I am quite sure its possible to hook up with some ladies traveling in pairs or small groups but it just didn't happen for us this trip. I would encourage my fellow mongerers to keep that option open in the back of your heads because its totally doable (pun intended). I think a lot of guys are so focused on natives they don't consider that option. I have done this before in other countries it can be fun fellas.
The rest of the trip went without incident. We will no doubt be returning to Pattaya.
Sorry so long and for typos and stuff.
[quote=paul kausch]viagra (50 mg) takes a good hour before i notice any significant effects. i'm able to get a great erection from about one hour until about five hours later. as much as 12 hours later i still get some diminished benefits. i have more sensitivity, climax more easily and my orgasms feel more intense.[/quote]my experience with viagra (which is a trade name for sidenafil citrate) tracks with mr. kausch in some respects and differs in others.
i too notice viagra takes about an hour to kick in. the lag time can be even longer if i've eaten a meal before going out for the evening. this can present a problem when i pull a stunner from a nana go-go bar and head for a nearby hotel. there just isn't enough time for the medication to work. i've found i can speed up the process by chewing the tablet before swallowing. it's a little bitter, but easily washed down with a drink. this reduces the lag time to about 30 minutes. i have also taken a 100 milligram tablet, and used a pill cutter to divide it into two dose of 50 milligrams. the resulting tablet is slightly fragile, but easily protected by wrapping in a square of toilet tissue. i've found a divided tablet takes effect almost as fast as a chewed one.
unlike mr. kausch, i find viagra slightly reduces sensitivity. this isn't necessarily a bad thing. when i'm sitting with a soi 6 hottie in pattaya who is trying to "convince" me to go short time by jamming her tongue down my throat and running her tiny little hand up my shorts to jack me off, there is always the risk of finishing too soon. with the viagra it's like i'm 18 years old again. i'm rock hard during all the preliminaries, but secure in the knowledge that when we get to the room i'll still be ready for the main event. the decreased feel never reaches the point where i don't enjoy myself. (unless i'm really drunk, but that's not the medication's fault.) i usually find i'm ready to pop at about the same time most girls are ready for the same. the sensation when i do is excellent. i'm usually a one-and-done guy, so i can't speak to how well it works for any encores.
as for delayed benefits, i find that if i take viagra two or three days running there is a residual effect in between doses. again, this can be fun when i'm sitting with a girl who thinks letting me "run the bases" will convince me to spring for a session. sometimes i'll duck away after lunch for an hour in some cool dark place getting all worked up, but not going any farther. (i'm a gentleman, of course. so i spring for a few lady drinks and tip the girl a few hundred baht for her efforts.) with a low dose of viagra on board the girl can play with mr. wood to her heart's content while i try to stretch a double into a triple. is there any better way to relax after lunch?
bunky
[QUOTE=Bunky; 1548650]My experience with Viagra (which is a trade name for sidenafil citrate) tracks with Mr. Kausch in some respects and differs in others.
Unlike Mr. Kausch, I find Viagra slightly reduces sensitivity.
As for delayed benefits, I find that if I take Viagra two or three days running there is a residual effect in between doses. Bunky[/QUOTE]I should have done a better job of organizing one of the paragraphs in my post. Early in a paragraph I wrote that I have more sensitivity with the sidenafil and then at the end of paragraph mention that my sensitivity was greater ten years ago before I started taking ED meds. All these meds reduce my sensitivity; sidenafil the least.
You last observation is interesting. Are you taking the sidenafil at 24-hour intervals?
Thank you for sharing your experiences.
Don't overdo the dose of ED's, I have learnt the hard way. First time I tried it just for fun I popped a large 100mg or what ever it is. It was embarrassing to have to sit in the place after the deed was done and just try to make it go down. Had to push it down a pant leg and hobble out like a pirate with a peg leg.
[QUOTE=Gorgon;1548789]Don't overdo the dose of ED's, I have learnt the hard way. First time I tried it just for fun I popped a large 100mg or what ever it is. It was embarrassing to have to sit in the place after the deed was done and just try to make it go down. Had to push it down a pant leg and hobble out like a pirate with a peg leg.[/QUOTE]Yes, absolutely. One of the warnings is go to the ER if you get a prolonged erection or you can get permanent damage. I find more is definitely not better. When I was using Cialis once in a while I learned 10mg was better than 20mg. I'm on 5mg daily for my prostate. I'm going to try 2.5mg daily as Phordphan suggests. Also I'm going to experiment with 5mg Levitra and 25mg Viagra. A few years ago I started with 25mg Viagra. My doctor told me to double the dose if 25mg didn't do the job. I found I needed to do that. But that was years ago and I'm in better health now so 25mg of Viagra may be fine now. I'll report the results, but it will be awhile because I will try each dose a couple of times and I allow a couple of days between doses when I switch to a different med.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1548801]Yes, absolutely. One of the warnings is go to the ER if you get a prolonged erection or you can get permanent damage. I find more is definitely not better. When I was using Cialis once in a while I learned 10mg was better than 20mg. I'm on 5mg daily for my prostate. I'm going to try 2.5mg daily as Phordphan suggests. Also I'm going to experiment with 5mg Levitra and 25mg Viagra. A few years ago I started with 25mg Viagra. My doctor told me to double the dose if 25mg didn't do the job. I found I needed to do that. But that was years ago and I'm in better health now so 25mg of Viagra may be fine now. I'll report the results, but it will be awhile because I will try each dose a couple of times and I allow a couple of days between doses when I switch to a different med.[/QUOTE]Back in the States Viagra commercials are non-stop, especially if watching sporting events. I always joke that the last thing I'm going to do if I have a four hour hard-on is go to the ER. I'm going to start calling every woman I know inviting them over. Viagra does a good job for me. I thing for me the desensitized is more related to frequency. At home if I pop a 50 and have one girl for the night I'm good. Do that a few nights in a row and it starts to desensitize the whole process. I'm about at my limit on this trip. Really need to take a breather.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch]Are you taking the Sildenafil at 24-hour intervals?[/QUOTE]Not in the way that some Cialis users do. But when I'm on holiday the "as needed" dose sometimes works out to be a daily dose. (At least during the first week. After that I find time for other activities.) That's when I notice the Sildenafil has the lingering effect I described earlier.
Bunky
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Feb. Jan. Dec. Nov. Oct. Sept. Aug.
2014 2014 2013 2013 2013 2013 2013.
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Total Arrivals ('000) 2, 174 2, 320 2, 598 2, 399 2, 066 2, 056 2, 469.
YoY% .8. 1% 0. 1% 6. 7% 11. 9% 14. 7% 27. 6% 28. 1%
Occupancy Rate 62. 1% 61. 2% 64. 3% 69. 4% 59. 8% 60. 5% 66. 4%
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If these numbers are nation wide, the decline in Bangkok is even greater as the tourism industry noticed travelers changed itineraries from Bangkok to other parts of Thailand.
Posting here because I'm here but this applies to all of Asia that I've seen. When these girls use the bathrooms to clean up its as if a monsoon hit. Water everywhere. Floor, mirror, walls, and even ceilings. I'm going to set up a video camera to see what the hell they do in there. I don't know how many times I've inadvertently sat on a wet toilet seat.
Crazy!
[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1549625]Posting here because I'm here but this applies to all of Asia that I've seen. When these girls use the bathrooms to clean up its as if a monsoon hit. Water everywhere. Floor, mirror, walls, and even ceilings. I'm going to set up a video camera to see what the hell they do in there. I don't know how many times I've inadvertently sat on a wet toilet seat.
Crazy![/QUOTE]Contrary to popular belief, women are far messier than men.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1549636]Contrary to popular belief, women are far messier than men.[/QUOTE]But when in a room with a man, after enough sex had been had, most of them seems compelled to do some cleaning or at least pretend they are.
While the most a man can do is walk around the bed to make it up together, such a nice collaborative and team building act.
Ask any man with teenage daughters how often he gets to even see his bath room, he's lucky to be able to shower off with the cold hose behind the house because the daughters are trying to water damage the whole house with constant steam bath showers.
[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1549625]Posting here because I'm here but this applies to all of Asia that I've seen. When these girls use the bathrooms to clean up its as if a monsoon hit. Water everywhere. Floor, mirror, walls, and even ceilings. I'm going to set up a video camera to see what the hell they do in there. I don't know how many times I've inadvertently sat on a wet toilet seat.
Crazy![/QUOTE]LOL. I have a Thai apt style bathroom, but I installed a shower curtain around the shower so as not to wet the entire bathroom. A few have sense enough to close the curtain, but most? Fugeddaboudit.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1549697]LOL. I have a Thai apt style bathroom, but I installed a shower curtain around the shower so as not to wet the entire bathroom. A few have sense enough to close the curtain, but most? Fugeddaboudit.[/QUOTE]Go to any "Thai" hotel (I mean one mostly frequented by Thai and not Western people) and hardly ever there is a shower door or shower curtain and in the rare cases there is a curtain it is not used. They must find it unclean or so.
If you want to avoid the violence of water festival, don't go to Burma. It is much worse than Thailand and much more organized. They divide the country into two teams, sadists vs masochists. The former batter the latter from prepared positions. This goes on for days. It is the time of year when the cork comes out of the bottle of the traditionally quiet and polite character of Burmese society. Here is a photo to make my point.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1549697]LOL. I have a Thai apt style bathroom, but I installed a shower curtain around the shower so as not to wet the entire bathroom. A few have sense enough to close the curtain, but most? Fugeddaboudit.[/QUOTE]A cutie from Sensations just left. Walked into the bathroom and it's a swimming pool. I hate wet floors in the bathroom. I mean there's enough germs in there to begin with, no need to get them wet and spread the around. Jeez.
Sorry I missed you this time. Maybe in December January.
Gorgon. I lived through a teenager. Between her and her mom I should have got a hotel room. And chemicals! Shit we had about four nice sized shelves in the tub area I built using the same granite I did the walls with. I had a razor. The rest was shampoo's, conditioners, loofas, and all kinds of other lotions, creams, conditioners and stuff I didn't even know what they were.
The one that just left took an hour shower. I finally just washed my dick in the sink. I should have asked her to pay for the room.
[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1549625]Posting here because I'm here but this applies to all of Asia that I've seen. When these girls use the bathrooms to clean up its as if a monsoon hit. Water everywhere. Floor, mirror, walls, and even ceilings. I'm going to set up a video camera to see what the hell they do in there. I don't know how many times I've inadvertently sat on a wet toilet seat.[/QUOTE]IME this never happened in 7 years with dozens of NEP area street walkers in BKK over hundreds of sessions. Although the floor & toilet seat is rather commonly a bit wet. On occasion there is also some extra mess, such as baby powder in various places.
In Geylang over 5 months I never had this problem with 4 different Asian nationalities.
If girls are hitting the mirror, walls or ceiling, they may be on drugs, practicing for Songkran or getting revenge for jiz going where it shouldn't have.
As an aside, a pictorial definition of a rather stunning specimen:
[url]http://openwalls.com/image?id=10166[/url]
[QUOTE=Kaintuck;1549832]If you want to avoid the violence of water festival, don't go to Burma. It is much worse than Thailand and much more organized. They divide the country into two teams, sadists vs masochists. The former batter the latter from prepared positions. This goes on for days. It is the time of year when the cork comes out of the bottle of the traditionally quiet and polite character of Burmese society. Here is a photo to make my point.[/QUOTE]Jeeez! Your surgical analysis makes your point come across clear as water gun fling. The world is divid in two, water battles lovers and haters, this year I'll skip the doubt on where to side, because I got to go home!
Perhaps the Thais will come to appreciate the relatively well-behaved farang tourists.
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/travel/travel-feature/405082/teething-troubles-for-chinese-tourists[/url]
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1555196]Perhaps the Thais will come to appreciate the relatively well-behaved farang tourists.
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/travel/travel-feature/405082/teething-troubles-for-chinese-tourists[/url][/QUOTE]Some of the girls are dead gorgeous though, intelligent too.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1556900]Been her almost 15 years and really out of the many hundreds of gals I have been with only a few, and I can count them on two hands, have ever had a problem with DFK. And when I hit the room and the door closes my tongue is down their throats. Never been into the "sniff-kissing" business.[/QUOTE]If that is true, then why do others report a success level way under 50 percent? Most likely they are referring to P4P gals who've been in the business varying amounts of time & mainly hail from Northern farm country Thailand.
Where do your girls come from, Bangkok? Are they civvies, educated, worldly wise, farang dating site sluts? Do you pay them 1000 baht ST or ridiculous amounts (expensive gifts included)? Do you game them or wine & dine them? Is the age disparity between the two of you averaging less than 10 years or more than 40? Are you a handsome young man wearing brand names & chanel number 5?
How do they respond to you stuffing your tongue down their throat? How long is the average kissing session? I believe the less good looking & more desperate the lady, the more likely she'll be willing to kiss & have some talent in it. Unlike Western caucasian women who are generally into kissing as foreplay, ISG members have said their experience is that TGs usually don't do it until they are turned on during genital intercourse.
I found these photos. A bar in Nakon Rachasima, around 1960. The girls look much better than today in Bangkok Bars. Can some one identify himself there?
[QUOTE=Love Sex 22;1557873]I found these photos. A bar in Nakon Rachasima, around 1960. The girls look much better than today in Bangkok Bars. Can some one identify himself there?[/QUOTE]Nice pictures. Brought back a lot of memories from the early 70'sh. Went to Pattaya and Jomptien for R&R during the war. Real hang loose place to relax. A lot of free spirit girls running around. Nakon Rachasima is also known as Korat.
[QUOTE=Love Sex 22;1557873]I found these photos. A bar in Nakon Rachasima, around 1960. The girls look much better than today in Bangkok Bars. Can some one identify himself there?[/QUOTE]To be generous I'd give them an average rating of 5 points out of a possible best of 10. Evidently the hair styles & colouring, clothes & make up of the ladies 5 decades ago was quite inferior to what it is in YK2.
Unlike back then, nowadays a female can easily upgrade herself about 2 points by making good use of such things, as well as contact lenses to change her eye colour, push up bras, surgery to greatly enhance her looks, etc. Back in 1960 & even relatively recently such advantages were not available.
Moreover in 2014 TGs are more sexually liberated in the way they dress, act, talk and serve their guys.
BTW sometimes I've seen P4P gals going to a party amongst their coworkers get themselves looking so much better than they normally do. I had to wonder why they wouldn't do that for every day on the job. If they did they would spend less time standing on the street, pull dates much quicker, get better tips, more repeat business & be able to command a higher pay grade & quality of client.
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1559498]Bangkok 20 years ago was good, in that could sometimes meet very part time girls in Thermae or bar newbies who were very passionate in sex. I recall a newbie bargirl that kept waking me up during the night for another round of sex. I guess she never had good sex before. Doesn't seem to happen that much in the modern day that a girl will wake me for more sex. LOL
Although girls were far cheaper, I earned a lot less, and exchange rate was worse too. $25 for a cowboy girl for the night back then. Quite good I guess. I suppose it was so cheap you could not justify sleeping alone, and taking a wank would be ridiculous. The Hotel room 2 star was probably $25 per night also. In the modern day I would never stay in hotels / inns like Nana, Honey, Miami, Crowne, etc. But back then I tried them as that is what friends were recommending.[/QUOTE]Brazilian girls have a rep for awesome asses & being passionate rather than Thai ladies who are considered more mechanical and mercenary. Which recalls this quote I read somewhere:
"since OP seems fixated on female companionship, he might find a few months in Brasil in the Sir Richard Francis Burton School of languages would make Bangkok a distant memory!"
I find that TGs often almost bite my lips when kissing. If that's an indication of passion, it's a turn off & something I can do without. Having had smooching sessions with dozens of Western women, most of whom were better at kissing than the Thais, I never experienced one inflict damage to my mouth.
If digging one's nails into my flesh indicates passion, then I've also experienced that with at least one or two TGs.
Other than those issues, I wasn't around LOS 20 years ago, so don't have an experiential point of comparison with the past 7 years. Even if I had been in Siam 2 decades ago, my experiences relative to the whole scene would be next to nothing, so virtually useless as regards an objective conclusion on the entire scene compared to what it is today. The same principle applies to anyone else comparing their ancient experiences to 2014.
That being said, however, I've found the "passion levels" with a fair percentage of the dozens of TGs I've been with since 2007, whether its real or good acting, to be significant. But as long as I'm enjoying myself it doesn't really matter that much to me if the provider I'm employing is. Though I've had them walking out the door without any money, thanking me for the great time, or offering to cut the donation in half if I make them cum again. I'm sure the P4P nymphos out there don't get too many guys who will happily kiss or bang them nonstop for hours.
On that basis I'm sure I could get some attractive girls in Thailand for free & never have to pay for sex with prostitutes. Often for weeks on end though I prefer to take care of my sexual desires alone. Even if the hottest the country had to offer showed up at my door offering to let me have her way with her for nothing, I'd turn her away. Sometimes even hookers, let alone a GF or wife, is just too much drama or hassle to be bothered with. Too much of a good thing is bad & can become boring & monotonous. I often rather enjoy autoeroticism while eyeing hundreds of history's most stunning bodies in one session.
V Stiviano with lips to die for:
[url]http://fabwags.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/vanessa-Perez-v-stiviano-ronald-sterling-girlfriend-images.jpg[/url]
[url]http://ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/screen-shot-2014-04-28-at-9-35-46-am.png?w=495&h=493[/url]
Like a lot of Thai ladies.
Saw 3 girls today in Bangkok, spent roughly $350 USD on them. Had lots of massage, before and after. Spent more 'time' with the girls than I would in Germany 'but' in Germany that same $350 could have gotten me sex with 5 girls. But the selection of girls in Bangkok wins hands down compared to the choice of the girls working in each club you visit. Will have to see what develops when I venture down to Pattaya in a week.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1563954]Saw 3 girls today in Bangkok, spent roughly $350 USD on them. Had lots of massage, before and after. Spent more 'time' with the girls than I would in Germany 'but' in Germany that same $350 could have gotten me sex with 5 girls. But the selection of girls in Bangkok wins hands down compared to the choice of the girls working in each club you visit. Will have to see what develops when I venture down to Pattaya in a week.[/QUOTE]Pattaya offers significantly more bang for your buck, with girls & hotels, than BKK.
In Singapore you could screw 17 SEA hotties for 340 USD, but your hotel room will be half the size as in BKK for the same cost.
Germany? I expect hotel prices will be much more than BKK there too. Not to mention the air fare cost to get there from my home, SEA. A trip from BKK to SG is much faster & cheaper than BKK to Berlin.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1562531]V Stiviano with lips to die for:
[url]http://fabwags.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/vanessa-Perez-v-stiviano-ronald-sterling-girlfriend-images.jpg[/url]
[url]http://ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/screen-shot-2014-04-28-at-9-35-46-am.png?w=495&h=493[/url]
Like a lot of Thai ladies.[/QUOTE]That is one ugly broad.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1563954]Saw 3 girls today in Bangkok, spent roughly $350 USD on them. Had lots of massage, before and after. Spent more 'time' with the girls than I would in Germany 'but' in Germany that same $350 could have gotten me sex with 5 girls. But the selection of girls in Bangkok wins hands down compared to the choice of the girls working in each club you visit. Will have to see what develops when I venture down to Pattaya in a week.[/QUOTE]Well that same $350 will get you sex with 10 girls long time in Pattaya. That is a lot of money to shell out in one day in Thailand. You could have even gone to a soapy and gotten 3 girls for $180.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1564030]Well that same $350 will get you sex with 10 girls long time in Pattaya. That is a lot of money to shell out in one day in Thailand. You could have even gone to a soapy and gotten 3 girls for $180.[/QUOTE]I was including everything, beers, ladydrinks etc. Probably closer to $300, my math last night was off. 2000 plus tip at cherry. 4000 at nataree (farang surcharge I'm guessing) .600 barfine and 2500 plus tip for gogo takeout. Plus beers, ladydrinks etc puts it right around 9800 baht. Won't be heading back to nataree, wasn't worth the extra cash.
"In Singapore you could screw 17 SEA hotties for 340 USD, but your hotel room will be half the size as in BKK for the same cost."
No chance. USD 20 is about Sing $25. You'd be getting something very rough for that. For S$50 you can get a Bush pig, or S$100, if you're lucky, something reasonable at the end of the night outside of OT, but the going rate in Sing is around S$150. For USD 340 you could manage 3 girls there.
[QUOTE=Kerrstar; 1564178]"In Singapore you could screw 17 SEA hotties for 340 USD, but your hotel room will be half the size as in BKK for the same cost."
No chance. USD 20 is about Sing $25. You'd be getting something very rough for that. For S$50 you can get a Bush pig, or S$100, if you're lucky, something reasonable at the end of the night outside of OT, but the going rate in Sing is around S$150. For USD 340 you could manage 3 girls there.[/QUOTE]Recent posts in the Geylang thread of Singapore on ISG say otherwise.
Recently, I noted that carriers like T Mobile have claimed that they have international roaming and 20 cents per minute rates to the US. However, it is not clear if you use a T Mobile phone in Bangkok, how much the charges per minute will be.
Rather than taking a chance with a convoluted contract discussion, is it easier to just by a disposable phone with minutes in Bangkok, just to use there? What costs are we looking at and is it even necessary to have a cell phone in BKK?
[QUOTE=Rodwint2; 1564464]Recently, I noted that carriers like T Mobile have claimed that they have international roaming and 20 cents per minute rates to the US. However, it is not clear if you use a T Mobile phone in Bangkok, how much the charges per minute will be.
Rather than taking a chance with a convoluted contract discussion, is it easier to just by a disposable phone with minutes in Bangkok, just to use there? What costs are we looking at and is it even necessary to have a cell phone in BKK?[/QUOTE]I have a cheap phone and a smart phone. I use both. The smart phone for internet. The cheap phone cost me about 700 baht. A SIM card and minutes were extra but cheap. I don't use it much but since my trips now are usually more than two months, I wouldn't be without it. It helps with planning for taxis, visa runs, lodging, airlines and of course contacting your favorite ladies.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1564028]That is one ugly broad.[/QUOTE]Not into the high cheek bones, full lips look, eh? Could be Bieber's classy new GF or a more mature Thai lady is more your type:
[url]https://ca.news.yahoo.com/thai-leader-forced-resign-court-ruling-pushes-political-064205032.html[/url]
[url]https://ca.celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/celebrity-news/-meet-justin-bieber-s-new-girl--yovanna-ventura-132128570.html[/url]
Pattaya is full of the latter look, though BKK generally considered to have more beauties. If looks is all that matters, then no doubt the BKK NPL girls would put to shame those ladies on Pattaya's Beach Road:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mB06h-VyvA[/url]
To ease your 'convoluted contract discussion' fears I live in Nongbulamphu (Esan) and I am a T Mobile user. I use both my T Mobile Sim over here and 2nd phone using TRUE MOVE. It IS 20 cents a minute if you wish to call back to the States or if you wished to call the person standing next to you to their Thai # it is 20 cents per minute. Text (SMS) messages are not charged which is the use of my T Mobile phone.
As for your 'is it even necessary to have a cell phone in BKK' query? To me absolutely yes.
As for my phones? Nexus 4 with the T-Mobile Sim and Blackberry with the TRUE MOVE Sim.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2; 1564464]Recently, I noted that carriers like T Mobile have claimed that they have international roaming and 20 cents per minute rates to the US. However, it is not clear if you use a T Mobile phone in Bangkok, how much the charges per minute will be.
Rather than taking a chance with a convoluted contract discussion, is it easier to just by a disposable phone with minutes in Bangkok, just to use there? What costs are we looking at and is it even necessary to have a cell phone in BKK?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jgm005;1564483]To ease your 'convoluted contract discussion' fears I live in Nongbulamphu (Esan) and I am a T Mobile user. I use both my T Mobile Sim over here and 2nd phone using TRUE MOVE. It IS 20 cents a minute if you wish to call back to the States or if you wished to call the person standing next to you to their Thai # it is 20 cents per minute. Text (SMS) messages are not charged which is the use of my Tm.[/QUOTE]TMO overseas is awesome, used in in BKK for past 15 days without a problem.
First you better make sure you have the right plan. It is the Simple Choice Plan. I keep my T-mo card in my Galaxy S5 to use for internet and texts that I receive from the states. I keep my True Move card in my Galaxy S1 for all calls (only 1 baht/min back to the states) and local texts. Be careful though. If you have visual voicemail and you press the icon you will get charged 1 minute international roaming even though you did not listen to the messages.
Rodwint2:
I think a cell in BKK is a very nice convenience. Do you have T-Mobile in the USA? If so just ask TMo to give you the unlock code and unlock your phone. You can also go to Ebay for an unlock code from a reliable party. When you get to Thailand go to any phone store or 7-11 and spend 50 Baht on a Thai Sim card. You'll have to pay extra to add minutes. At that point your phone will have a local Thai cell number. Calls within Thailand and to the USA will be much cheaper than TMo's roaming rates. You also won't have any surprises when you get home. I have read stories about people getting $400-$600 bills because their phones incurred data roaming charges. Your unlocked phone can also be used in most other countries.
You don't need a second phone. If you have ATT or T-Mobile, your unlocked phone will work in Thailand with a Thai Sim card. If you have Verizon or Sprint, then consider buying a cheap, unlocked phone in Thailand or on Ebay.
[QUOTE=Allover; 1564556]Rodwint2:
I think a cell in BKK is a very nice convenience. .
You don't need a second phone. If you have ATT or T-Mobile, your unlocked phone will work in Thailand with a Thai Sim card. If you have Verizon or Sprint, then consider buying a cheap, unlocked phone in Thailand or on Ebay.[/QUOTE]There is only one problem:
If somebody will call you on your usual phone number he will not be able to contact you and the calls are unanswered.
Roaming charges apply also for incoming calls (on your original SIM card) , as the calls from arborist are charged at home as an international phone call made by you.
Nevertheless if you want people back home to be able to contact you you really need a second phone: one to get calls from home and one to use locally and eventually call home.
Rechargeable SIM cards are subject to an expiry date if not used and recharged regularly.
The one I bought and used in April will not last longer than mid June, unless I recharge it before that date.
But as I will not be able to do so before September, it is "lost". Not much for the 100baht in it, but your number will be gone.
Good and bad at the same time.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;1564569]Rechargeable SIM cards are subject to an expiry date if not used and recharged regularly. The one I bought and used in April will not last longer than mid June, unless I recharge it before that date. But as I will not be able to do so before September, it is "lost". Not much for the 100baht in it, but your number will be gone.[/QUOTE]If you get True Move your number is good for one year from the last day that you recharge it.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2; 1564464]Recently, I noted that carriers like T Mobile have claimed that they have international roaming and 20 cents per minute rates to the US. However, it is not clear if you use a T Mobile phone in Bangkok, how much the charges per minute will be.
Rather than taking a chance with a convoluted contract discussion, is it easier to just by a disposable phone with minutes in Bangkok, just to use there? What costs are we looking at and is it even necessary to have a cell phone in BKK?[/QUOTE]The best card IMHO is True inter also by true move. If you get the original, not the tourist card from 7/11 it is 1bt per minute to europe or the us. You will find it where they sell lots of phones. It is valid for 1 year after the refill.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1564592]If you get True Move your number is good for one year from the last day that you recharge it.[/QUOTE]I stopped in a 7-11 and they said they didn't have a sim, went to terminal 21 shopping mall on asoke and they had several places on the 6th floor. Picked the shortest line and bought a happy sim card. Looks like its good for 120 days. Registered it online and you can refill the card to keep the number for what looks like a minimum of 50 baht. There's also an option to add international service but when I tried doing that it asked me to go back to the shop to switch sim cards for free. Maybe they have to do something for that to work.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1564592]If you get True Move your number is good for one year from the last day that you recharge it.[/QUOTE]Good and useful advice, thanks for this, making a couple of trips per year, with a one year validity allows to keep it as "permanent" number. Useful if you call back girls who could have memorised your Thai number with a name.
[QUOTE=Jgm005; 1564483]To ease your 'convoluted contract discussion' fears I live in Nongbulamphu (Esan) and I am a T Mobile user. I use both my T Mobile Sim over here and 2nd phone using TRUE MOVE. It IS 20 cents a minute if you wish to call back to the States or if you wished to call the person standing next to you to their Thai # it is 20 cents per minute. Text (SMS) messages are not charged which is the use of my T Mobile phone.
As for your 'is it even necessary to have a cell phone in BKK' query? To me absolutely yes.
As for my phones? Nexus 4 with the T-Mobile Sim and Blackberry with the TRUE MOVE Sim.[/QUOTE]As a T Mobile user, I was wondering exactly how it would work in BKK. One question, if someone in the US calls your number, does it ring in Thailand? If the call is answered, what rate are you charged by T Mobile? Is it still 20 cents a minute? Thanks again.
Things getting interesting here now:
A load of oaramilitary yellow shirts around Nana when I arrived yesterday afternoon. Had gone by the evening, but I was woken by a lot of noise in the morning from loudspeakers and people shouting.
A few army trucks in town, and military control points being set up at various positions including Pratunam. Very lively in Lumpini Park, with more yellows than I remember from my last visit. A military field hospital / control point still outside the park.
The red shirts are planning to arrive en masse from tomorrow, so may be a few problems. I'm leaving tomorrow morning so I'll miss the tear gas.
As before, it won't be a problem if you keep to the touristy areas. Have fun and play safe!
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1564870]As a T Mobile user, I was wondering exactly how it would work in BKK. One question, if someone in the US calls your number, does it ring in Thailand? If the call is answered, what rate are you charged by T Mobile? Is it still 20 cents a minute? Thanks again.[/QUOTE]Your welcome. As Mr. Enternational said make sure you are on a Simple Choice Plan. I believe T-Mobile moved everyone over to same last November but best check if you do not know.
Yes, my Nexus 4 with the T-Mobile SIM does ring. And was 20 cents a minute. I get a lot of junk calls so most of the time I let it roll into VM if I do not recognize the number. And deal with it later via the Thai SIM phone (unlocked BlackBerry from T-Mobile).
An article of interest:
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/409403/thai-immigration-clamps-down-on-visa-runs[/url]
Does anyone know where I can find a good quality safari or Bush jacket in Bangkok? It would look like the safari jacket that you would see in those movies made in the 1950s. The closest thing that I could find online was this: [url]http://www.travelsmith.com/bush-poplin-safari-jacket/16951[/url] I was hoping that I could find a light weight jacket with no liner and made of tough cotton material like twill or poplin. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2; 1566635]Does anyone know where I can find a good quality safari or Bush jacket in Bangkok? It would look like the safari jacket that you would see in those movies made in the 1950s. The closest thing that I could find online was this:
[url]http://www.travelsmith.com/bush-poplin-safari-jacket/16951[/url]
I was hoping that I could find a light weight jacket with no liner and made of tough cotton material like twill or poplin. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Easy enough. Go have a tailor make one for you.
I remember having taken DTAC sim the last time I was in BKK and they had a prefix number "044" (or something like that, not sure) which allowed reduced calling rates to India. Do any of the other providers (AIS and Trumov, I think?) also have this feature. Unless other telecom providers have a similar provision, I am thinking of taking DTAC (with a better data plan).
Can I purchase a DTAC sim for iPhone 5S from an airport counter? Thanks.
[QUOTE=Jgm005; 1564483]To ease your 'convoluted contract discussion' fears I live in Nongbulamphu (Esan) and I am a T Mobile user. I use both my T Mobile Sim over here and 2nd phone using TRUE MOVE. It IS 20 cents a minute if you wish to call back to the States or if you wished to call the person standing next to you to their Thai # it is 20 cents per minute. Text (SMS) messages are not charged which is the use of my T Mobile phone.
As for your 'is it even necessary to have a cell phone in BKK' query? To me absolutely yes.
As for my phones? Nexus 4 with the T-Mobile Sim and Blackberry with the TRUE MOVE Sim.[/QUOTE]The only problem I saw with T-mobile is not knowing what a text from an international text will cost. I think most of the girls would be hesitant making a text to a foreign number. Then there's the whole issue of figuring out how to reach a number. Seems that every country is different. I carry my T-mobile (2nd phone just for travel. Then I get a local sim for the specific country I'm in.
[QUOTE=Jgm005; 1564483]To ease your 'convoluted contract discussion' fears I live in Nongbulamphu (Esan) and I am a T Mobile user. I use both my T Mobile Sim over here and 2nd phone using TRUE MOVE. It IS 20 cents a minute if you wish to call back to the States or if you wished to call the person standing next to you to their Thai # it is 20 cents per minute. Text (SMS) messages are not charged which is the use of my T Mobile phone.
As for your 'is it even necessary to have a cell phone in BKK' query? To me absolutely yes.
As for my phones? Nexus 4 with the T-Mobile Sim and Blackberry with the TRUE MOVE Sim.[/QUOTE]The only problem I saw with T-mobile is not knowing what a text from an international text will cost. I think most of the girls would be hesitant making a text to a foreign number. Then there's the whole issue of figuring out how to reach a number. Seems that every country is different. I carry my T-mobile (2nd phone just for travel) Then I get a local sim for the specific country I'm in. ATT or Tmobile iphone works well for me.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1566641]Easy enough. Go have a tailor make one for you.[/QUOTE]Most tailors do not carry the correct material to make something like this because the type of material is normally used in military type material versus a suit or pants in an office. I know my tailor doesn't carry the type of material and that is why I was asking the folks on this board.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1566785]Most tailors do not carry the correct material to make something like this because the type of material is normally used in military type material versus a suit or pants in an office. I know my tailor doesn't carry the type of material and that is why I was asking the folks on this board.[/QUOTE]If you show them a sample of the fabric they will get it.
Problem is that all these tailors have cheap quality, whatever people says on "top tailor"
Lots of artificial fibers even when they swear it will be 100% cotton.
[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1566797]If you show them a sample of the fabric they will get it.
Problem is that all these tailors have cheap quality, whatever people says on "top tailor"
Lots of artificial fibers even when they swear it will be 100% cotton.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is to much trouble to deal with a tailor for something like this. There is always some place that has it already manufactured and ready for sale. By seeing and handling the jacket, I can tell the quality right away.
[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1566797]If you show them a sample of the fabric they will get it.
Problem is that all these tailors have cheap quality, whatever people says on "top tailor"
Lots of artificial fibers even when they swear it will be 100% cotton.[/QUOTE]Generally I agree with you. However there are a couple of good, reputable tailors in Bangkok who have very high quality fabrics in their inventories, such as Italian wools and long staple Egyptian cottons. I don't doubt they can get this type of heavy twill. The problem will be time and cost. A normal order will be for many yards of many fabrics. A few yards of one fabric will be very expensive per yard.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1566635]Does anyone know where I can find a good quality safari or Bush jacket in Bangkok? It would look like the safari jacket that you would see in those movies made in the 1950s. The closest thing that I could find online was this: [url]http://www.travelsmith.com/bush-poplin-safari-jacket/16951[/url] I was hoping that I could find a light weight jacket with no liner and made of tough cotton material like twill or poplin. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I received good service and quality from Tailor on Ten (who is at the end of Sukhumvit Soi 8) for my suit and shirts. They operate their own workshop; so they can take custom jobs (which may take a few weeks to get done). The owner is Canadian. Prices are not cheap but quality is really good. [URL]www.tailoronten.com[/URL].
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1566689]I remember having taken DTAC sim the last time I was in BKK and they had a prefix number "044" (or something like that, not sure) which allowed reduced calling rates to India. Do any of the other providers (AIS and Trumov, I think?) also have this feature.
[/QUOTE]Yes. AIS has the same feature. With AIS you use 003 before the country code to use the reduced calling rate for international calls.
[QUOTE]
Can I purchase a DTAC sim for iPhone 5S from an airport counter? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yes. Arrivals level at Suvarnabhumi Airport. DTAC is right next to the AIS counter.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1567177]I received good service and quality from Tailor on Ten (who is at the end of Sukhumvit Soi 8) for my suit and shirts. They operate their own workshop; so they can take custom jobs (which may take a few weeks to get done). The owner is Canadian. Prices are not cheap but quality is really good. [URL]www.tailoronten.com[/URL].[/QUOTE]I concur with W. Tailor on Ten is not the cheapest place in Bangkok to get tailored garments, but they are honest, the fabrics are accurately represented and the workmanship is good, comparable to better tailoring in Hong Kong at a much lower price. As long as you don't mind paying a little more for a much better product and far better service, I highly recommend the establishment. Two brothers, Anglo-Saxon Canadians, run the business. Both are fine gentlemen.
[QUOTE=HarryDude;1567179]Yes. AIS has the same feature. With AIS you use 003 before the country code to use the reduced calling rate for international calls.
Yes. Arrivals level at Suvarnabhumi Airport. DTAC is right next to the AIS counter.[/QUOTE]Don't you dial 005 to get the cheapest rates on AIS? Also before you buy at the AIS or DTAC stand at the airport, have a look at the 7-11 in the airport. I believe its 2 levels down from the phone provider stand. I almost bought an AIS Sim at the AIS stand. On a hunch I went to the 7-11 which is about a two minute walk. 7-11 sold me an AIS SIM that was less than half of the price of the airport AIS office.
Hey guys,
I've been reading the forum and it has really peaked my interest in traveling to Thailand (Most likely Bangkok) However, my reason for posting is that this would be a HUGE trip for me. I am a complete rookie in this realm. I've done Tijuana plenty times A. Its close be. I speak spanish fluently. See. I know the money conversions the. Know the culture a bit more.
Here are my areas of concern:
1. I would be going alone...As in no one would even know I was going.
2. I don't know ANY words in the language.
3. Not familiar with the culture (althought I have been reading on it).
4. I only have about 5 days total.
5. Budget is 3 k (all in which includes flight and lodging).
I know the flight and lodging alone can be about $1,700 from where I am. That leaves me with say $1,500. I know it is cheap but is this worth it?
Tijuana is always a back up plan figure 700 covers flight and lodging for the same time period. Leaving me with much more to play with.
I know it's one of those you have to just go and find out for yourself, but am I in over my head with these items to overcome?
Thanks for any input.
[QUOTE=SlickVick;1567573]Hey guys,
I've been reading the forum and it has really peaked my interest in traveling to Thailand (Most likely Bangkok) However, my reason for posting is that this would be a HUGE trip for me. I am a complete rookie in this realm. I've done Tijuana plenty times A. Its close be. I speak spanish fluently. See. I know the money conversions the. Know the culture a bit more.
Here are my areas of concern:
1. I would be going alone...As in no one would even know I was going.
2. I don't know ANY words in the language.
3. Not familiar with the culture (althought I have been reading on it).
4. I only have about 5 days total.
5. Budget is 3 k (all in which includes flight and lodging).
I know the flight and lodging alone can be about $1,700 from where I am. That leaves me with say $1,500. I know it is cheap but is this worth it?
Tijuana is always a back up plan figure 700 covers flight and lodging for the same time period. Leaving me with much more to play with.
I know it's one of those you have to just go and find out for yourself, but am I in over my head with these items to overcome?
Thanks for any input.[/QUOTE]1 Very god.
2. And so what?
3. No problem. Remember what you have read.
4. ??
5. 300 dollar a day is a lot of money.
6. Enjoy your trip and write a report.
[QUOTE=SlickVick;1567573]Hey guys,
I've been reading the forum and it has really peaked my interest in traveling to Thailand (Most likely Bangkok) However, my reason for posting is that this would be a HUGE trip for me.
I know it's one of those you have to just go and find out for yourself, but am I in over my head with these items to overcome?
Thanks for any input.[/QUOTE]
Well I'll give you my two cents. I think Bangkok is a fantastic mongering destination, arguably the best in the world. First your budget. You are correct on the flight and lodging costs, which leaves you with US $300 per day ($1500 divided by 5). This is plenty of money to have a fantastic time. Inexpensive and delicious food is plentiful, so most of you money will be spent on P4P. You have plenty of money for that.
As a first timer you will want to stay and monger along lower Sukhumvit. You can get by fine with English and knowledge of a few Thai phrases: how to greet and thank some one and a few mongering specific phrases.
Going alone should also not be a problem. The forum provides plenty of information. Just devote sufficient time to read it thoroughly. You will arrive armed with plenty of local knowledge. If you ask questions that demonstrate you have taken the time to RTFF and still have questions, you'll find there are many great guys on the forum who are eager to help, so long as it doesn't appear you are just too lazy to read.
The only problem I see with you plan is five days is far too little time. It's enough time to visit a few MPs, spend a night or two on Soi Cowboy and in Nana Plaza and visit a club such as Climax, but even after a two week stay I lament that my stay was too short. Regardless, if that's how much time you have, that's what you have to work with. Just be sure to do your homework, create a plan and familiarize yourself with where you will be going. Google searches and Google maps are great for this. You can even use Google Earth and the person icon to find your hotel and "walk from it to the venues you wish to visit.
Good luck. Hope this was helpful.
[QUOTE=SlickVick;1567573]Hey guys,
4. I only have about 5 days total.
Thanks for any input.[/QUOTE]My first trip 25 years ago was only 2 days tacked onto a business trip to Singapore. Now I've been living here for 9 years. Have a basic plan so you are not overwhelmed by choice. You can get a comfortable clean room for no more than 1500 per night if you shop, leaving money for mongering. Street food is cheapest and often the tastiest. 2000 BT is kinda the norm for short time, plus a bar fine, unless you get a FL. Then you can go for 1,000 to 1,500. Massage shops Like Mango, Tulips, Bamboo, Snow White can get you an hour of PSE for 2000 all in. If you pick the right girl in a BJ bar you can get a PSE for about 1,000 to 1,200 lasting up to 30 minutes. If you go for the gogo girls your prices will go up and IMHO the experience is likely to go down. Find out how to offset jet lag so you'll be good to go when you land and when you return. Then start saving for your return as you WILL be back!
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1567587]Well I'll give you my two cents. I think Bangkok is a fantastic mongering destination, arguably the best in the world. First your budget. You are correct on the flight and lodging costs, which leaves you with US $300 per day ($1500 divided by 5). This is plenty of money to have a fantastic time. Inexpensive and delicious food is plentiful, so most of you money will be spent on P4P. You have plenty of money for that.
As a first timer you will want to stay and monger along lower Sukhumvit. You can get by fine with English and knowledge of a few Thai phrases: how to greet and thank some one and a few mongering specific phrases.
Going alone should also not be a problem. The forum provides plenty of information. Just devote sufficient time to read it thoroughly. You will arrive armed with plenty of local knowledge. If you ask questions that demonstrate you have taken the time to RTFF and still have questions, you'll find there are many great guys on the forum who are eager to help, so long as it doesn't appear you are just too lazy to read.
The only problem I see with you plan is five days is far too little time. It's enough time to visit a few MPs, spend a night or two on Soi Cowboy and in Nana Plaza and visit a club such as Climax, but even after a two week stay I lament that my stay was too short. Regardless, if that's how much time you have, that's what you have to work with. Just be sure to do your homework, create a plan and familiarize yourself with where you will be going. Google searches and Google maps are great for this. You can even use Google Earth and the person icon to find your hotel and "walk from it to the venues you wish to visit.
Good luck. Hope this was helpful.[/QUOTE]Thanks guys for giving me some input. Just the sheer expression of how easy and fun this could be has me convinced more than ever to take the plunge! Its a once in a lifetime trip so I might as well give it a shot. I will try and work on getting a day or 2 more. But other than that, I just need to experience this. I will keep reading the forum and ask questions as they come up.
Thanks again.
[QUOTE=SlickVick;1567573]Hey guys,
I've been reading the forum and it has really peaked my interest in traveling to Thailand (Most likely Bangkok) However, my reason for posting is that this would be a HUGE trip for me. I am a complete rookie in this realm. I've done Tijuana plenty times A. Its close be. I speak spanish fluently. See. I know the money conversions the. Know the culture a bit more.
[/QUOTE]Here are my areas of concern:
[QUOTE=SlickVick;1567573]1. I would be going alone...As in no one would even know I was going.[/QUOTE]I traveled to BKK last month all by my lonely self. Its incredibly easy. BKK is very tourist friendly. If you know English, you will get by.
[QUOTE=SlickVick;1567573]2. I don't know ANY words in the language.[/QUOTE]I will teach you one. "Hakun Khap". It means Thanks.
Try to learn a couple more on your trip. It is not really needed but saying Thanks in Thai after a girl has done you service makes her grin hard.
[QUOTE=SlickVick;1567573]3. Not familiar with the culture (althought I have been reading on it).[/QUOTE]Its a very open and welcoming culture. Let common sense guide you and you will do fine.
[QUOTE=SlickVick;1567573]4. I only have about 5 days total.[/QUOTE]I went there for 3 days. I am pretty sure a trip lasting years may also not be enough for some, but you have to start somewhere.
5 days is enough to get an idea of BKK and the p4 p market there.
Make sure that you have a plan, list of places to visit and are not walking around aimlessly.
[QUOTE=SlickVick;1567573]5. Budget is 3 k (all in which includes flight and lodging).[/QUOTE]Good enough for 5 days. I spent around 1 k USD on my 3 days trip. And if you read my FRs, I didn't really live like a hobo there. 3 k will take you far.
[QUOTE=SlickVick;1567573]I know the flight and lodging alone can be about $1,700 from where I am. That leaves me with say $1,500. I know it is cheap but is this worth it?[/QUOTE]If you plan your trip correctly, 1500 USD will be enough. 1500 USD is around 45 k Baht, which will buy you 2 hotties every night for LT, for the 5 nights.
If you can, I'll suggest putting in $500 more. I think 2 k for 5 days would be the perfect amount.
[QUOTE=SlickVick;1567573]Tijuana is always a back up plan figure 700 covers flight and lodging for the same time period. Leaving me with much more to play with.
I know it's one of those you have to just go and find out for yourself, but am I in over my head with these items to overcome?
Thanks for any input.[/QUOTE]I have never been to Tijuana so can't comment on that. But I am sure the p4 p market there can't really compete with BKK.
If you've never been to TH, then you need to go there at least once.
Try to lodge near the BTS Nana area as all the fun is within walking distance.
I myself stayed in the iCheck Inn which i highly recommend. Some of the most famous fun shops like Eden, Dr. Bj are right next door.
These places are incredibly easy for a newb to start with and have friendly english speaking staff.
Try to Break every day into 4 chunks:
Morning, afternoon, evening and Night and make plans for each of them.
Never make any p4p plans for the morning. leave that time for sight seeing.
the fun market wakes up after lunch.
Have the 1st pop of the day around te noon and then schedule some acivity afterwards which allows you to rest a bit. and so on.
[QUOTE=SlickVick;1567573]Hey guys,
I've been reading the forum and it has really peaked my interest in traveling to Thailand (Most likely Bangkok) However, my reason for posting is that this would be a HUGE trip for me. I am a complete rookie in this realm. I've done Tijuana plenty times A. Its close be. I speak spanish fluently. See. I know the money conversions the. Know the culture a bit more.
Here are my areas of concern:
1. I would be going alone...As in no one would even know I was going.
2. I don't know ANY words in the language.
3. Not familiar with the culture (althought I have been reading on it).
4. I only have about 5 days total.
5. Budget is 3 k (all in which includes flight and lodging).
I know the flight and lodging alone can be about $1,700 from where I am. That leaves me with say $1,500. I know it is cheap but is this worth it?
Tijuana is always a back up plan figure 700 covers flight and lodging for the same time period. Leaving me with much more to play with.
I know it's one of those you have to just go and find out for yourself, but am I in over my head with these items to overcome?
Thanks for any input.[/QUOTE]Lots of advice, most from guys who have never been to Tijuana. So, being intimately familiar with both locations, I'll toss my dos centavos into the mix.
1. Alone is fine unless you're timid. You'll not want for company after you arrive.
2. Language won't be an issue. Speak slowly and listen carefully. The accent will be strange. Most of the time Thais put the stress on the ultima, not the penult as in Spanish. Pa-ta-YAH, for example, instead of Pa-TIE-ya. Thai has no plurals and no conjunctions, and they tend to speak in the third person, so your English will sound weird. "SlickVick go Post Office." You'll do fine.
3. The culture isn't that much different from Mexico. Both countries have a very strong religious tradition that affects almost all aspects of life. If you wouldn't do it to the Virgin Mary, don't do it to the Buddha. Don't insult the king under any circumstances. The biggest difference between MX and TH is that the Thais tend towards fastidious personal cleanliness and they take their shoes off for everything.
4. 5 days is cutting it very short. It takes 2 days to get there. I'm not sure where you're coming from, but from CA it's anywhere from 18 to 21 hours, plus you lose a day. Coming back you gain that day. So, if you leave on Monday you'll arrive on Wednesday and when you come back you'll arrive on the same day you left. Factor that into your 5 days. You should consider trying for a minimum of a week, maybe 10 days if possible.
5. Budget it tight but doable. If you don't mind 2 and 3 star hotels and eating street food (which is the best in the world save perhaps Singapore or Penang), then it's doable. Staying around Soi 4 (Soi Nana) is a bit like staying in the Zona Norte. If you like it, OK. I think it's like sleeping in the sewer. I prefer somewhere closer to Asok, personally.
Now some food for thought. First the budget. While food is cheap and lodging is reasonable, booze may not be. How much do you drink? A bottle of beer in most go-go bars will run around $5, give or take, unless you can hit a happy hour. This is about 50% more than Zona Norte bars, and 2 x1 (a staple in every ZN bar except Hong Kong and Adelita) is very hard to come by in Thailand. Factor that into your fun budget. Ficha drinks are called "Lady Drinks" in TH and will run anywhere from $5 to $6+ depending on the bar. That's a bit cheaper than the Zona Norte, but only just. Factor that in as well.
Transportation will be an added expense. Learn the Skytrain (BTS) routes and it's much easier than any other form of transport. Each trip will run somewhere in the $1.00 to $1.50 range. This is by far the way to go, but it stops running at midnight. There is a subway, too (MRT). Same rules apply. Unlike Tijuana, taxis are metered and you should insist the cabbie use it. Taxis for trips around lower Sukhumvit will tend to run $2 to $5. However, when the bars close the taxis congregate and it's hell to get one to use the meter. Use your best judgment. Anyway, the point is to factor transportation charges of around $10 a day into your plans.
Next the girls. Hong Kong ladies run $60 to $80 for 30 minutes, plus $17(?) for the room. Girls from Adelita, Tropical, etc., may be less, as low as $40. For the same $40, or about 1200 Baht, you'll probably be looking at the lower end of the spectrum of Thai ladies, probably beer bar or freelancers (YMMV as usual). Unfortunately, the going rate for most ladies has risen to about 2,000 baht, or $62. Now you also have to factor in the "Bar Fine," which doesn't exist in Zona Norte. That tends to be around 600 baht, or about $20. If you need to get a short time hotel that will run somewhere between 300 and 600 baht, too. I haven't had to do a ST hotel in a long time. If you are reasonably close you can just go back to your room, unlike the Zona Norte. Unfortunately, a short time encounter these days is far closer to the Zona Norte times, I.e. Around 30 minutes to an hour. To summarize, you'll pay between $80 and $100 for the girl, depending on whether or not you need a short time hotel. And this is for an average girl. The top chicas get 3,000 to 4,000 for the same time, or between $90 and $125, plus the bar fine. Now you're knocking on the door of $200, and this is with no drinks. So, your horizontal encounters are probably going to cost you considerably more than those of the Zona Norte. And don't forget the "Coyote" dancers who may not be available or, if so, may have bar fines in the 1000 to 1500 baht range.
Now you must consider the looks factor. Everybody had their own taste. However, if you like the Latinas, especially the pretty ones in Hong Kong Club, you will be sorely disappointed in the current crop of average bar girls in Bangkok. Again, I'm not the arbiter of taste. But the average looks of the Thai bar girls has gone downhill in the past few years (some say drastically). The average Latina, in my experience, is better in bed than the average Thai lady. If kissing is your thing you'll be disappointed in the Thais who tend to be terrible kissers. However, if DATY is your thing the Thai nether regions tend to be much sweeter smelling. I'm not recommending one over the other, but I think you need to have all the facts before committing to such a trip.
I think everybody should visit once. But, on the other hand, Tijuana is a far better place than it was 5 or 6 years ago and it's full of very pretty ladies. Nobody can say which place is better because they are totally different. But Thailand is no longer the haven of beautiful cheap pussy that it once was. The game has changed and Tijuana tends to be better value for money. Thailand has a much larger scene and there is more variety, I.e blow job bars, nice soapy and oily massages that don't exist in the Zona Norte. But you'll be spending as much or more for your fun and the quality of the ladies may not compare favorably.
So, think carefully and let us know your decision.
P.S. Thank you is Kop Khun Khrap (although the R is mostly silent). Hakun or Aukun is Khmer.
Phordphan,
That was one hell of a post! Thanks for giving me such a great breakdown and realistic expectations. It seems like pricing and overall spending isn't much different than in Tijuana. I also like your reality check of the girls. I do favor latinas over asian, but figured if I can get more action and see something different why not.
I am really thinking about it now. I do love the chicas from HK and AB, and if I can expect a downgrade from that...I am not so sure. Ultimately I'd love to visit BKK but now I need to weigh my options for this particular trip. I do agree with you that Tijuana seems to be getting better every trip so that is another incentive to go. I think I will need to break out the scale and marbles on this one..
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1567766]Lots of advice, most from guys who have never been to Tijuana. So, being intimately familiar with both locations, I'll toss my dos centavos into the mix.
Next the girls. Hong Kong ladies run $60 to $80 for 30 minutes, plus $17(?) for the room.[/QUOTE]Thanks Phordphan. It's nice to read a post that makes such a thorough comparison of two mongering destinations.
If I may, I'd add.
$70 (taking the mid-point) plus $17 for 30 minutes is $87 which is about THB2800. For THB2800, tip included, you get two hours, three holes and two shots with a one of the porn stars at Tulip or Snow White. As for performance, the less experienced Thai girls are, well, less experienced. Compared to SW of other nationalities, in my opinion you are more likely to find an experienced Thai SW who performs very well and actually seem to enjoy having sex with the client rather than coming across as a hardened mercenary. As for looks, that is definitely a matter of personal taste. In general I find the Thai ladies more attractive than the Latin ladies; at the same time I think the top Colombian and Venezuelan ladies are among the most beautiful women in the world. But that is a matter of taste. Youtube has lots of videos that will give you a sense of what the girls really look like, so you can draw your own conclusions. You do need to consider whether it is worth it to travel almost half-way around the world to fuck for a few days.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1567766]P.S. Thank you is Kop Khun Khrap (although the R is mostly silent). Hakun or Aukun is Khmer.[/QUOTE]Thanks! I didn't know that.
[QUOTE=LordNecros;1568135]Thanks! I didn't know that.[/QUOTE]So as not to be confused if you hear a woman say the phrase, she will substitute a kha for the krap. For example, sa-what-dii khrap is the way a man greets someone. Sa-what-dii kha is the way a woman greets someone.
And that is a decent percentage of all the Thai I know.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1568138]So as not to be confused if you hear a woman say the phrase, she will substitute a kha for the krap. For example, sa-what-dii khrap is the way a man greets someone. Sa-what-dii kha is the way a woman greets someone.
And that is a decent percentage of all the Thai I know.[/QUOTE]That one I know. Since my main source of the learning was the service girls themselves, I would say "sawadee kha" and "hakun kha" to everyone. Som corrected me and told me that was what girls say. Men say "khrap".
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1567766]Lots of advice, most from guys who have never been to Tijuana. So, being intimately familiar with both locations, I'll toss my dos centavos into the mix.
1. Alone is fine unless you're timid. You'll not want for company after you arrive.
2. Language won't be an issue. Speak slowly and listen carefully. The accent will be strange. Most of the time Thais put the stress on the ultima, not the penult as in Spanish. Pa-ta-YAH, for example, instead of Pa-TIE-ya. Thai has no plurals and no conjunctions, and they tend to speak in the third person, so your English will sound weird. "SlickVick go Post Office." You'll do fine.
3. The culture isn't that much different from Mexico. Both countries have a very strong religious tradition that affects almost all aspects of life. If you wouldn't do it to the Virgin Mary, don't do it to the Buddha. Don't insult the king under any circumstances...[/QUOTE]I would add. I am assuming you have excluded the travel time there and back because otherwise you would have like two days there and that flight sucks. Your airfare if from California is $1000 to $1200. Rooms are like 800 baut a day because you probally want to stay where the action is. $1000 for 5 days is enough. I spend $300 a day personally there. Tijuana street girls although they look filthy are much cleaner than thai girls. Thai girls for the most part french kiss all customers, BBBJ, daty and lets just say bare back sex is common in Thailand. Tijuana street girls will do none of that at least I never met one that did. I would not want to kiss these girls but that's me. Also, I want to add. If you go to Thailand and I go every year. Do not go in the low season! I made that mistake one and will never do that again. Besides much less girls. Who wants to go on vacation while its raining hard everyday.
Every guy needs to experience Thailand one in his life. Excluding travel time you really need to do at least 7 days.
My buddy lives in Thailand and he just told me as of last week. Foreigners are only allowed to stay in Thailand something like 20 days. Then you have to walk over the border and reenter Thailand. Now the Thai government requires you to fly out and fly back in. You have to show proof of plane ticket. Now I did not read this in the paper I was told by my friend that lives there. Thing there just got a whole lot more expensive. People go there to save money but now with this new law Thailand will lose a lot of money. I will research this to confirm this and the date it takes effect. If anyone else knows about this please let us all know.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1568138]So as not to be confused if you hear a woman say the phrase, she will substitute a kha for the krap. For example, sa-what-dii khrap is the way a man greets someone. Sa-what-dii kha is the way a woman greets someone.
And that is a decent percentage of all the Thai I know.[/QUOTE]Another very useful phrase is "Phet nid noi, khrap", meaning "not too spicy" when you order food. It has saved countless of my taste buds ...
And when on the subject of Thai phrases, try "suwaai mak mak khrap" when you talk to a girl. It means "very very beautiful", or add "na" after the sentence but before the "krap". "Khrap" makes your sentence "polite", but "na" adds a subtle element of suave and loveliness. So "suwaai mak mak na khrap" puts the talk on a more intimate level and you know you are close to her heart when she answers "baag waan kha" (litteraly "you are a sugar mouth", i.e. you flatter me). The right response to that is "mai baag waan" ("I'm not flattering you", i.e. I am speaking the truth). GFE-sex will then usually follow. ;)
[QUOTE=Phordphan]
5 days is cutting it very short. It takes 2 days to get there. I'm not sure where you're coming from, but from CA it's anywhere from 18 to 21 hours, plus you lose a day. Coming back you gain that day. So, if you leave on Monday you'll arrive on Wednesday and when you come back you'll arrive on the same day you left. Factor that into your 5 days. You should consider trying for a minimum of a week, maybe 10 days if possible.
Budget it tight but doable. If you don't mind 2 and 3 star hotels and eating street food (which is the best in the world save perhaps Singapore or Penang), then it's doable. Staying around Soi 4 (Soi Nana) is a bit like staying in the Zona Norte. If you like it, OK. I think it's like sleeping in the sewer. I prefer somewhere closer to Asok, personally.
Now you must consider the looks factor. Everybody had their own taste. However, if you like the Latinas, especially the pretty ones in Hong Kong Club, you will be sorely disappointed in the current crop of average bar girls in Bangkok. Again, I'm not the arbiter of taste. But the average looks of the Thai bar girls has gone downhill in the past few years (some say drastically).[/QUOTE]I've spent quite a bit of time in Tijuana's Zona Norte, dating back to the early 90's, so I thought I'd weigh in here.
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: Absolutely positively *GO* to Bangkok. It's totally worth it.
LENGTH OF TRIP: Concur with Mr. Phordphan that the journey is *so* freaking long that it behooves you to spend as much time as possible on the ground once you arrive. You mentioned it might be possible to add a couple of days to your stay in Bangkok. That's a very good idea. Don't book any trip with more than one stop en route. It's just not worth it to save a few dollars.
BUDGET: Mr. Phordphan knows whereof he speaks in respect of the cost of P4 P in BKK. On your budget I would recommend against trying to get laid more than once a day. I think you would enjoy one session with a hottie more than two sessions with average girls. The scene in Bangkok is many *many* times larger than in Tijuana. For the new guy, half the fun is going from place to place and checking out the girls. If you budget for one quality session per day you can enjoy the hunt and make sure to find a girl that you think is hot.
Street food is cheap and good. You can also eat cheap at the "hawker stalls" at the MBK Center and Terminal 21. Those are what Americans would call a "food court" in a "shopping mall." The Terminal 21 complex is connected to the Asok BTS station. Very convenient to all the hotels favored by punters.
HOTELS: I respectfully differ with Mr. Phordphan regarding the lodging available on Soi 4, south of the Nana Entertainment Plaza. It's an area that's popular with punters, that's for sure. But it's nowhere near as nasty as Zone Norte. It's bigger, cleaner and there are actually some nice pubs, restaurants and other places. There are plenty of nice hotels available at decent rates, and they are light years better than dumps like the Hotel Coahuila and Hotel Cascadas. I suggest you consider the places on Soi 4 about 200 meters south of Sukhumvit, or on a side street called Soi 6. Those are close enough to NEP that you can use them instead of a short time hotel, saving 300-400 baht.
I concur with Mr. Phordphan that lodging near Asok is also a good option. Look at the places on Soi 23. The only problem with doing that, in my view, is that Soi Cowboy has become a shadow of its former self. It's largely a tourist trap trading on its reputation, many of the bars owned by "The Arab" are clip joints, and the prevalence of coyote girls who tease but don't go totally defeats the purpose of your visit. (If I wanted to pay too much for beer while leering at girls I can never have I'll stay in the states, thank you).
You can split the difference and stay at a hotel near Sukhumvit that's west of Asok and east of Soi 4. Spend some time reading the hotel forum on this board to learn more.
BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER: Again I must respectfully dissent from Mr. Phordphan's opinion. He sets up a bit of a straw man when he compares the "pretty" girls at the best club in the Zona Norte (curiously named Hong Kong) to the "average bar girl in Bangkok." A more realistic comparison would be between the hotties at the Hong Kong Club in Tijuana and the stunners at Baccara on Soi Cowboy, or the top shelf girls at the Rainbow 4 in NEP.
I realize this is highly subjective. But I've been with both and as far as I'm concerned the BKK girls win the "Battle of the Brunettes." It's the law of averages. There are more girls in Rainbow 4 on a busy night than in the top five Zona Norte clubs combined. Can you get lucky in Tijuana? Sure, if you stumble onto the legendary Rosie back in her prime at the Chicago Club, or nail her friends Esua and Sophi (who looked like a college freshman but sucked dick like one of the old pros at Star of Light). But when I was in the Hong Kong Club in February it was a packed sausage-fest. I couldn't sit down, let alone hope to attract the attention of one of the hotties. In Bangkok the selection is at least an order of magnitude better. If you can't find somebody you fancy, you're not trying.
THE EXPERIENCE, IN THE BAR AND EN EL CUARTO (that's "in the room" for those of you who don't speak Spanish):
Simply no comparison between the depressing outlaw scene in Mexico and the gentleman's playground that is Thailand.
In Tijuana you can pay for a lady drink, but often as not you bump into your favorite in the aisle and ask "vamos arriba?" which means "we go upstairs?" Veterans know this is the time for haggling over price and service. Very romantic. Not. In Bangkok, at least in the go-go clubs, I can spot a girl I like on stage and invite her for a drink. There's a little cuddling, some light petting and if she's anxious to seal the deal, the petting gets a little heavier. Last trip I recall sitting down with a hottie at Mandarin and five minutes later she had her hand up my shorts to give Mr. Wood some very personal attention. Sipping a cocktail, checking out the dancers while your sweetie jerks you off is a very nice way to tune up, if I do say so myself. Even if I decide I'm not ready to head back to the room, it's OK. I can give the girl a couple hundred baht (about $6) and move on. In the Hong Kong Club you can pay $20 or more (that's 600 baht) for a "privado" in a tiny little room, but it lasts the length of one song and the girls keep their hands to themselves. Not a good value.
In Tijuana you have to use the hotel associated with the the bar where you found your sweetie. You go next door, climb a flight of stairs to the second floor and stand in line behind other "couples" for the privilege of paying to use a short time room. You get one ratty towel between you, unless your tip persuades the guy at the front desk to part with a second. The room is a 80 square foot tile box, to facilitate hosing out the cum on a regular basis. There's a bare bulb on the ceiling, a sad queen size bed, a shelf bolted to the wall and a tiny shower and sink off to the side. Many of the girls decline to shower before you get started. Some will only partially disrobe. Virtually none of them will do a BBBJ.
So you get a two-minute condomized blowjob, followed by some in-and-out. If you make it to the ten minute mark the girl will usually start to demand "you feenish?" Keep your socks on. Who knows what's on that floor. Afterwards many of the girl's favor a working girl's bath over the sink, followed by 30 second of dressing and a bolt back to the bar. If you're inclined to use the nasty shower, do it quick. The "cum boy" will pound on the door to let you know to move it along. On the way out, he will demand a tip.
In Bangkok even the most mercenary go-go girl will change into a nice outfit before heading out with you to your hotel. You walk hand in hand into the night, or hop in a taxi or tuk tuk back to your place. At a minimum, she's going to take a shower to start. If you're lucky you can shower together. Then it's off to the bedroom, where you can count on BBBJ about 95 percent of the time, followed by as many positions as you care to try. Unless you're a real porn star or too drunk to come, you'll get as much time as you need to finish. In fact, most of the girls take pride in getting you off, regardless of how long that takes. Cum on tits? Not a problem. Cum on face? Arrangeable. Afterwards you both shower, chat a little bit, maybe have a drink from the minibar. Even the high volume go-go stunners will be with you for the better part of an hour during a short time session. And of course there's always the chance to arrange an overnight session, something that's unheard of in Tijuana.
Like I said, I spent quite a bit of time in the Zona Norte back in the 90's. Just my opinion, but the internet ruined the place. Demand exploded and supply didn't keep up. (Thanks for nothing, Brockton O'Toole!) There just aren't enough good looking girls. The same dynamic is at work in Thailand, but the scene is so much bigger a punter who is willing to spend top dollar can still have a good time. That's why I'm allocating all my holiday money to the other side of the international date line these days.
Bunky.
[QUOTE=Bunky;1568387]BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER: Again I must respectfully dissent from Mr. Phordphan's opinion. He sets up a bit of a straw man when he compares the "pretty" girls at the best club in the Zona Norte (curiously named Hong Kong) to the "average bar girl in Bangkok." A more realistic comparison would be between the hotties at the Hong Kong Club in Tijuana and the stunners at Baccara on Soi Cowboy, or the top shelf girls at the Rainbow 4 in NEP.
I realize this is highly subjective. But I've been with both and as far as I'm concerned the BKK girls win the "Battle of the Brunettes." It's the law of averages. There are more girls in Rainbow 4 on a busy night than in the top five Zona Norte clubs combined. Can you get lucky in Tijuana? Sure, if you stumble onto the legendary Rosie back in her prime at the Chicago Club, or nail her friends Esua and Sophi (who looked like a college freshman but sucked dick like one of the old pros at Star of Light). But when I was in the Hong Kong Club in February it was a packed sausage-fest. I couldn't sit down, let alone hope to attract the attention of one of the hotties. In Bangkok the selection is at least an order of magnitude better. If you can't find somebody you fancy, you're not trying.[/QUOTE]You point is well taken. My wording was clumsy. Hey it was about 1:00 am when I posted it. :)
What I was trying to get at was the overall looks of the girls, not to compare hotties to hotties. Generally speaking, Latinas have a nice ample ass (IMHO there is nothing as nice as a well-shaped Latina ass), and proper curves. Thais (and Asians in general) tend to flat asses. Latinas tend to have shapelier legs. Very generally speaking, and depending on the percentage of Spanish vs Indian blood, Latinas tend to have larger racks than the Thais. This is all highly subjective, and I've had Yellow Fever for about as long as I can remember. But my point was that the prototypical "Latina look" will be more difficult to find in LOS, and the OP should consider that, in case it's a deal breaker. Yes, Rainbow 4 has loads of pretty girls. But it seems they all have nose jobs and boob jobs, which are a major turn-off for me. Again, this is all subjective and there is no accounting for taste. But my intent wasn't to compare the best Tijuana girls with average beer bar girls in Thailand.
As an aside, I've seen loads of pretty ladies in plenty of other Tijuana venues. Personally, I don't see the attraction of Hong Kong these days. Yes, the girls are pretty but there are tons of pretty girls in the other clubs. Hong Kong (for those who've never been) is a US-style strip club with Mexican contact rules. It's a sausage fest on weekends and the girls are extremely poor value for money, looks or no looks. But I digress.
[QUOTE=Bunky;1568387]Simply no comparison between the depressing outlaw scene in Mexico and the gentleman's playground that is Thailand.
In Tijuana you can pay for a lady drink, but often as not you bump into your favorite in the aisle and ask "vamos arriba?" which means "we go upstairs?" Veterans know this is the time for haggling over price and service. Very romantic. Not. In Bangkok, at least in the go-go clubs, I can spot a girl I like on stage and invite her for a drink. There's a little cuddling, some light petting and if she's anxious to seal the deal, the petting gets a little heavier. Last trip I recall sitting down with a hottie at Mandarin and five minutes later she had her hand up my shorts to give Mr. Wood some very personal attention. Sipping a cocktail, checking out the dancers while your sweetie jerks you off is a very nice way to tune up, if I do say so myself. Even if I decide I'm not ready to head back to the room, it's OK. I can give the girl a couple hundred baht (about $6) and move on. In the Hong Kong Club you can pay $20 or more (that's 600 baht) for a "privado" in a tiny little room, but it lasts the length of one song and the girls keep their hands to themselves. Not a good value.
In Tijuana you have to use the hotel associated with the the bar where you found your sweetie. You go next door, climb a flight of stairs to the second floor and stand in line behind other "couples" for the privilege of paying to use a short time room. You get one ratty towel between you, unless your tip persuades the guy at the front desk to part with a second. The room is a 80 square foot tile box, to facilitate hosing out the cum on a regular basis. There's a bare bulb on the ceiling, a sad queen size bed, a shelf bolted to the wall and a tiny shower and sink off to the side. Many of the girls decline to shower before you get started. Some will only partially disrobe. Virtually none of them will do a BBBJ.
So you get a two-minute condomized blowjob, followed by some in-and-out. If you make it to the ten minute mark the girl will usually start to demand "you feenish?" Keep your socks on. Who knows what's on that floor. Afterwards many of the girl's favor a working girl's bath over the sink, followed by 30 second of dressing and a bolt back to the bar. If you're inclined to use the nasty shower, do it quick. The "cum boy" will pound on the door to let you know to move it along. On the way out, he will demand a tip.
In Bangkok even the most mercenary go-go girl will change into a nice outfit before heading out with you to your hotel. You walk hand in hand into the night, or hop in a taxi or tuk tuk back to your place. At a minimum, she's going to take a shower to start. If you're lucky you can shower together. Then it's off to the bedroom, where you can count on BBBJ about 95 percent of the time, followed by as many positions as you care to try. Unless you're a real porn star or too drunk to come, you'll get as much time as you need to finish. In fact, most of the girls take pride in getting you off, regardless of how long that takes. Cum on tits? Not a problem. Cum on face? Arrangeable. Afterwards you both shower, chat a little bit, maybe have a drink from the minibar. Even the high volume go-go stunners will be with you for the better part of an hour during a short time session. And of course there's always the chance to arrange an overnight session, something that's unheard of in Tijuana.[/QUOTE]The Tijuana scene of the late '90's hardly compares with the scene in 2014, both for better and worse. But it's hardly Outlaw.
Perhaps I've been doing it wrong all these years, but your experience Tijuana doesn't mirror mine. In 100% of my encounters in the various ZN bars I've never walked up to a girl and said "Let's fuck." And the ones who ask me that get blown off. One can sit with the girl as long as one wants, as long as one is willing to buy lady drinks, much the same as Thailand. You can chat, joke, laugh, do some of Pit Bull's Lick, lick, bite, bite, nibble nibble if you wish. Then head to the room. Again, mirroring my experiences in Thailand. In fact, in local Mexican bars, there's a lot more of this than simply running upstairs.
Your hotel description sounds like some of the shitholes along Constitucion or in the alley, but hardly represents the average short time hotel in the ZN. Hotel Coahuila and Cascadas have been remodeled a couple of times since the '90's and are much like an early Motel 6, for lack of a better comparison. Rizo de Oro's rooms are decent. Even Hotel Jalos is OK. No bare bulbs, cable TV with porn channels, bathrooms are separate, if you want an extra towel you tell the guy at the desk and give him $1, no problem. Except for size, most compare favorably to places like Asoke Place, or that joint, whose name escapes me, that the Patpong girls like to use. Yes, the Thai girls are much cleaner but I've never had a MX bar girl refuse to disrobe. So, if you are going to discuss Hong Kong ladies you must include Cascadas hotel, not Rio Nilo. :D
Concerning performance, you comments about BBBJ are well taken, although it's becoming more prevalent in Thailand. But, to be fair, although apparently it happens, I've never had a girl rush me to finish. Of course, I almost always do hour sessions, so time is rarely a factor. But stories of such bad service aren't unique to Tijuana by any means.
The Thailand scene, as you pointed out, is still much more relaxed than the scene in the Zona bars (at least at Hong Kong and Adelita). But that seems to be changing. Short time used to be from 2 to 3 hours. Now it's sub-1 hour. Let's discuss this same time next year and see what has happened. Nothing good is my guess.
[QUOTE=Bunky;1568387]Like I said, I spent quite a bit of time in the Zona Norte back in the 90's. Just my opinion, but the internet ruined the place. Demand exploded and supply didn't keep up. (Thanks for nothing, Brockton O'Toole!) There just aren't enough good looking girls. The same dynamic is at work in Thailand, but the scene is so much bigger a punter who is willing to spend top dollar can still have a good time. That's why I'm allocating all my holiday money to the other side of the international date line these days.
Bunky.[/QUOTE]Agreed. The Internet ruined Tijuana, it's ruined BKK and deep into ruining Cambodia and Burma. I guess we do kill the things we love. The Thai scene is certainly much bigger, but I think it's debatable whether or not a punter willing to spend top dollar can have a better time in Thailand or Tijuana. It's no longer as clear-cut as it once was. I still go to Thailand every year, and have been doing so since 1999 (OK, I missed a couple of years, but only a couple) but I no longer go just for the P4P scene.
[QUOTE=TomSf;1568184]My buddy lives in Thailand and he just told me as of last week. Foreigners are only allowed to stay in Thailand something like 20 days. Then you have to walk over the border and reenter Thailand. Now the Thai government requires you to fly out and fly back in. You have to show proof of plane ticket. Now I did not read this in the paper I was told by my friend that lives there. Thing there just got a whole lot more expensive. People go there to save money but now with this new law Thailand will lose a lot of money. I will research this to confirm this and the date it takes effect. If anyone else knows about this please let us all know.[/QUOTE]OK, not quite correct but they are basically cracking down on long term stayers who continually do visa runs. There are a lot of foreigners in Thailand who live and work, or just retire, there full time on tourist visas. They usually have a 30 day visa, sometimes 15 days, depending on your nationality, and just go over the border (Laos, Cambodia, etc). And come straight back in to renew their visa. This has been happening for years. The government has now decided to crack down on this. If you do a visa run and have pages of Thai visas and not much else, they may refuse you enter. This only applies to land crossings. The plan is to extend this to fly in / fly out in August. If you only have one or two stamps and are planning on only staying 50 to 60 days, then this shouldn't be a problem.
Of course, there are lots of people who enter on a tourist visa and just stay there for years, they don't even bother with visa runs. Maximum fine for overstaying your visa in 20,000 baht (it's 500 baht per day). I've heard of people who have stayed for a few years and then left, paying the fine at the airport, and then coming back in a few days later. I'd expect this to change.
This does not apply to anyone on proper work visas, etc. It's only tourist visas. It was written up in one of the SE Asia papers a few days ago, I can't remember which one though.
[QUOTE=TomSf;1568184]My buddy lives in Thailand and he just told me as of last week. Foreigners are only allowed to stay in Thailand something like 20 days. Then you have to walk over the border and reenter Thailand. Now the Thai government requires you to fly out and fly back in. You have to show proof of plane ticket. Now I did not read this in the paper I was told by my friend that lives there. Thing there just got a whole lot more expensive. People go there to save money but now with this new law Thailand will lose a lot of money. I will research this to confirm this and the date it takes effect. If anyone else knows about this please let us all know.[/QUOTE]Doing research on the internet I found my friend was given the wrong info. It is just guys that keep hopping over the border consistently without getting a proper visa. I found nothing online about showing airplanes tickets. Sorry for any misinformation I should have googled before posting. So that accurate info is they can now deny your entry if you do this too much. My buddy is going toy try to get a student visa to help him live there.
[QUOTE=Phordphan]Generally speaking, Latinas have a nice ample ass and proper curves. * * * Your experience Tijuana doesn't mirror mine. One can sit with the girl as long as one wants, as long as one is willing to buy lady drinks, much the same as Thailand. * * * Hotel Coahuila and Cascadas have been remodeled a couple of times since the '90's and are much like an early Motel 6, for lack of a better comparison. Your comments about BBBJ are well taken, although it's becoming more prevalent in Thailand. * * * The Thailand scene, as you pointed out, is still much more relaxed than the scene in the Zona bars (at least at Hong Kong and Adelita). But that seems to be changing. Short time used to be from 2 to 3 hours. Now it's sub-1 hour. Let's discuss this same time next year and see what has happens. * * * The Internet ruined Tijuana, it's ruined BKK and deep into ruining Cambodia and Burma. I guess we do kill the things we love. The Thai scene is certainly much bigger, but I think it's debatable whether or not a punter willing to spend top dollar can have a better time in Thailand or Tijuana. It's no longer as clear-cut as it once was.[/QUOTE]Mr. Phordphan cogently notes the attraction of a "well-shaped" Latina with "proper curves." Sadly, many of the girls I see in Tijuana's Zona Norte are packing extra pounds these days. I realize lots of guys (both Mexican and Norteamericano) like well-upholstered girls. But I'm a sucker for a waifish brunette, so it's advantage Thailand for me. (Yes, I know the fast food bomb has exploded there too. But with *far* more girls in the scene it's easier to avoid the fatties). I'm also not adverse to well-executed cosmetic work. Granted, the porn star look is totally artificial. But the novelty doesn't wear off in the 90 minutes I spend with the go-go stunners, so that's a moot point.
As for the pre-romp experience, I take Mr. Phordphan's point that the Zona Norte clubs have improved somewhat over the years. The physical plants are nicer and the atmosphere more upscale. And of course the girls are happy to drink on your dime. I still contend, however, that the Thai girls' willingness to let their hands wander makes all the difference. The Latinas aren't prudes. But my "mileage" in Tijuana pales in comparison to Bangkok. And don't even get me started about the jump to hyperspace on Soi 6 in Pattaya or at places like the Telephone Club. Nothing like those places in Mexico.
Another factor that comes into play on this point is that the United States is very strict about drink driving. Unless you are willing to spend the night in Tijuana (and I'm not) you have to be rather abstemious when it comes to your drink because you will soon be driving a car in California. I know there is public transport (trolly and taxis) connecting Tijuana with places like Chula Vista, National City and even San Diego. But most punters travel by car and that introduces a risk that comes with serious legal consequences. In Thailand I can spend the evening on the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] without fear of waking up in the monkey house.
I will further concede that the Hotel Coahuila and Hotel Cascadas are less scary than they used to be. But when I'm in Thailand, the girls come back to *MY* hotel, which is as nice as my budget permits. And I don't stay in the Thai equivalent of a Motel 6. (Shudder!) As for the other hotels mentioned, I will just note that if you pull a girl from the Adelita Bar or the Hong Kong Club, she will almost always insist on going to the "official" hotel. Those other places may be nice, but if you stay there you're forced to pull from second-tier clubs.
When it comes to the availability of a BBBJ, Mr. Phordphan is correct that some girls in Thailand will opt out. But in my experience it's only a tiny handful of newbies who work in the upscale soapies in Bangkok like Nataree. In Tijuana the default is a condomized blowjob, and it's an expensive hassle to do better. I'm sorry, but I'm old enough to remember when no self-respecting working girl would use a condom for a blowjob. Not having to worry about that in Thailand is a *BIG* advantage for me.
Lastly, I think Mr. Phordphan and I will have to agree to disagree in respect of which country is better for a punter willing to spend "top dollar." In Thailand I can stay in a five-star hotel (or lavish condo) that blows away any lodging in the Zona Norte (or the rest of Tijuana, for that matter). I can choose from a population of working girls that dwarfs those to be found in Tijuana. If I'm willing to pay top dollar I can persuade even the hottest go-go girl to go with me, and maybe even some coyote dancers. Then it's back to my lavish digs for a relaxed and patient session. (Shorter in duration than in the old days, but still better than the assembly line sex in Tijuana). Afterwards I can enjoy a nightcap with my mates or grab a bite to eat without worrying about the California Highway Patrol.
Good colloquy. Thanks to Mr. Phordphan for taking the time to weigh in on a topic I've been mulling over for some time.
Bunky.
[QUOTE=Bunky;1568822]Lastly, I think Mr. Phordphan and I will have to agree to disagree in respect of which country is better for a punter willing to spend "top dollar." In Thailand I can stay in a five-star hotel (or lavish condo) that blows away any lodging in the Zona Norte (or the rest of Tijuana, for that matter). I can choose from a population of working girls that dwarfs those to be found in Tijuana. If I'm willing to pay top dollar I can persuade even the hottest go-go girl to go with me, and maybe even some coyote dancers. Then it's back to my lavish digs for a relaxed and patient session. (Shorter in duration than in the old days, but still better than the assembly line sex in Tijuana). Afterwards I can enjoy a nightcap with my mates or grab a bite to eat without worrying about the California Highway Patrol.
Good colloquy. Thanks to Mr. Phordphan for taking the time to weigh in on a topic I've been mulling over for some time.
Bunky.[/QUOTE]Thanks! I enjoy the discussion. It's a bit like comparing chalk and cheese, but each location has its advantages and disadvantages.
Many of the MX ladies are on the chunky side, but bear in mind that they also service the locals, and most Mexican guys like chunky women. The Thai working girls who work the farang market, in general, wouldn't be touched with a 10 foot pole by the Thai punters. But there is no accounting for taste. Personally, I like technique and experience over beauty. I know a couple of chunky ladies in Tijuana who can suck the chrome off a bumper hitch, so I'm willing to overlook some physical imperfections! :D
And, as I mentioned in my first post, Thailand has things that just don't exist in Mexico. As you said, you'll never find BJ bars, soapies, etc., in Mexico. I will say that I wonder how long this will continue. The Thais, like the Mexicans, tend to be very patient and accommodating. Until they get pissed off, and then look out. Every "regular" Thai lady I know is aghast at things like an in-your-face BJ bar. I'm sure they, and certainly Soi 6's bars, violate Thailand's anti-brothel laws and stay open due to bribery. If, and when, Thailand cleans up its act, gets rid of the patronage system, look for places like this to get shut down. It won't happen overnight, but I think it will, and in the not too distant future. It'll be interesting to watch.
I completely agree about being able to take a girl back to ones own hotel. Much more convenient. But Thailand has the annoying bar fine, so from a cost standpoint it's not that much different. My question is, given the fact that more and more ladies are insisting on short time (and some stories I've read put those short times at about 30 minutes), how long before they refuse to go to a customer's hotel and insist on a close-by short time hotel? I suspect this may already be happening at some of the Jap-centric bars. Again, it'll be interesting to watch.
I disagree about staying overnight in Tijuana. There are hotels in all price ranges around the city. The "Love Motels" are very, very nice and very comfortable for overnights, too, although getting one on a weekend may not be possible. Drunk driving laws in the States had become so over-the-top that it's basically Prohibition by other means. So, I always get a decent hotel in Tijuana and party on.
Finally, let me point out that a punter spending top dollar was your term. So, let's discuss top dollar.
First, you're comparing 5-star hotels in BKK to Zona Norte accommodations and that's not an accurate comparison. There are no such hotels in Zona Norte, but there are a couple in Tijuana, and they are only a short cab ride away. Unless one has to stay at the Mandarin Oriental, Tijuana has plenty of decent accommodations on par with most of the mid-to-upper-range hotels in BKK. Tijuana isn't really an "International City" like BKK, and doesn't have a population of 10,000,000+, so there are certainly fewer 5-star hotels, but a top-dollar punter can certainly find a nice place to lay his head.
Next, few "top dollar" punters in Tijuana will limit themselves to the Zona. There are many other venues where ladies are available, plus escort agencies, web sites, etc., etc., where girls are easily available for all-night activities. It's also not all that difficult to get an all-nighter from Zona ladies, it just takes a bit more effort and money. But if you're willing to pay top dollar then there are beaucoup beautiful Latinas available, for as much time as you like. This is not unlike BKK in most respects, IMHO.
Next, the food. We all have to eat sometime. We all know Thai food is some of the best, and Thailand certainly has some of the best street food in the world. But what many people don't know is that Tijuana has become a very serious foodie destination. So, let's compare and contrast for the top-dollar punter. As one moves up the scale in BKK the food tends to be of the more Western variety (so we can get an accurate comparison, because the Mexican food in BKK sucks, as does the Thai food in Tijuana) and quality improves, but the prices increase exponentially. And the service is in inverse proportion to the amount paid, especially these days. Just as an example, I stopped going to Scirocco in State Tower a few years ago due to shitty service, and the problem has only gotten worse in most places. Now Tijuana has the Zona Gastronomico, and it's chock-full of some of the best places I've ever eaten. It's sort of a culinary hotbed, full of interesting small venues doing experimental food, traditional food and everything in between. My favorite, Mision 19, is one of the very best places I've ever eaten, regardless of price. I would put their menu up against anything in BKK. Another example. Their 4-course tasting menu (I can't get through their 7-course) is delicious, presented in very creative and beautiful ways, served by top-notch wait staff, and is about 440 pesos, or about $34, or 1,000 baht. Try getting that anywhere in BKK. Unless price is absolutely no object, one will be very hard pressed indeed to find Western food in BKK that compares to that of Tijuana.
How about drink? I know I love to hoist a few when I'm partying. Almost all Mexican beer puts swill like Singha and Chang to shame. The quality of cocktails in just about any higher-end establishment simply blow joints like Skybar out of the water. I can't speak for others, but my experience in BKK is that unless there is a competent Western bartender behind the bar the quality of the cocktails in upscale hotels and Western bars is mediocre at best.
The club scene is almost as interesting. Have you been to Calle Sexta recently? If you were around in the really bad days of 2008, the reinvention of the Tijuana nightlife and club scene is nothing short of amazing. Our prototypical top-dollar punter can get a decent place to stay, can avail himself of some pretty company for the night, can go dancing and clubbing in venues ranging from Ranchero and Banda, to Techno, to Salsa / Cumbia, to Frank Sinatra, eat in some excellent restaurants and get drunk on excellent beer and properly prepared cocktails.
Tijuana is no longer a dirty, sleepy border town. It's a city on the move and business seems to be booming. The economy is growing there and locals have far more money than ever before. (Again, much like Thailand). It's not BKK and never will be. BKK is an amazing place and I, for one, love it. It truly is "A show with everything but Yul Brynner." But, unlike 6 or 8 years ago, it's no longer the default destination for good food, cheap pussy and cheap booze. I come to Thailand for other reasons (and there are plenty), but one can do one's hard-core monkey business a lot closer to home now, and save the 20+ hour flight. :)
[QUOTE=Wolfman2009;1568585]Doing research on the internet I found my friend was given the wrong info. It is just guys that keep hopping over the border consistently without getting a proper visa. I found nothing online about showing airplanes tickets. Sorry for any misinformation I should have googled before posting. So that accurate info is they can now deny your entry if you do this too much. My buddy is going toy try to get a student visa to help him live there.[/QUOTE]Ban on visa runs by air start on 12 Aug. Apparently the ban at the borders came into effect without notice and heaps of people got turned back at the border at Mae Sai. I assume they didn't have Myanmar visas and thus it was obvious they were on visa runs.
Article with more below.
[URL]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/409403/thai-immigration-clamps-down-on-visa-runs[/URL]
[QUOTE=Kerrstar;1569018]Ban on visa runs by air start on 12 Aug. Apparently the ban at the borders came into effect without notice and heaps of people got turned back at the border at Mae Sai. I assume they didn't have Myanmar visas and thus it was obvious they were on visa runs.
Article with more below.
[URL]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/409403/thai-immigration-clamps-down-on-visa-runs[/URL][/QUOTE]You actually have to purchase a Myanmar visa for like $20 before you can cross over from Mae Sae. I have never done it but I have been on the Golden Triangle tour a couple of times and was never desperate enough to pay the money to crossover just to say I have been to Myanmar.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1569039]You actually have to purchase a Myanmar visa for like $20 before you can cross over from Mae Sae. I have never done it but I have been on the Golden Triangle tour a couple of times and was never desperate enough to pay the money to crossover just to say I have been to Myanmar.[/QUOTE]
I think the problem was that people on visa runs were not actually going into Myanmar, they just went through Thai immigration and turned around and came back. You can get a short, limited stay visa for a day for 500 baht or US$10 and turn back around or shop. There have been a few people writing on some websites about not being able to go through Thai immigration, I'd say this is because they don't have Myanmar tourist visas. The problem wasn't when they returned, it was getting out.
Not a problem for me, I actually need to do my visa runs to Thailand as my multiple enter Myanmar visa only allows for 70 day stays. Poor me, having to slum it in BKK for a weekend every 2 months.
This lifted, verbatim, from an e-mail I received from Sunbelt Asia:
Royal Thai Immigration will begin requiring tourists who wish to re-enter the country immediately after crossing the border and use the 15 - 30 day visa exempt entry to show proof of hotel, tour and/or flight bookings before being allowed back in. Legitimate tourists who can show they just wish to spend an extended holiday in the country will be granted re-entry, the Immigration Office in Bangkok announced recently. However those who are doing back to back entries with no visa and appear to be working in Thailand will see restrictions. The Royal Thai Immigration wants to crack down on foreigners who are living in Thailand but not obtaining valid visas.
OK, I've never been to Tijuana, so maybe I should keep my mouth shut. However based on extensive mongering and traveling in other cities, Mexico is not in the same league. If you don't consider the flight over, then based on cost, beauty of the women, convenience, and variety and quantity of venues, Bangkok wins hands down. The exception, there are some gorgeous hookers at the top end, on [URL]www.zonadivas.com[/URL] and in high-dollar table dance clubs, that are more attractive than almost anything in Thailand. However they run $200 to $300 an hour. I still like Mexico because I can better relate to the culture and can speak the language.
On a budget of $1,000 a day, I could have a great time in Mexico City, Guadalajara or Cancun with exceptionally hot women and great food in 4 or 5 star hotels. I could do the same thing in Bangkok for a lot less money, with women that aren't quite as attractive. And I don't have to be as discrete getting my dates into my hotel in Bangkok.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1569443]This lifted, verbatim, from an e-mail I received from Sunbelt Asia:
Royal Thai Immigration will begin requiring tourists who wish to re-enter the country immediately after crossing the border and use the 15 - 30 day visa exempt entry to show proof of hotel, tour and/or flight bookings before being allowed back in. Legitimate tourists who can show they just wish to spend an extended holiday in the country will be granted re-entry, the Immigration Office in Bangkok announced recently. However those who are doing back to back entries with no visa and appear to be working in Thailand will see restrictions. The Royal Thai Immigration wants to crack down on foreigners who are living in Thailand but not obtaining valid visas.[/QUOTE]According to the following alleged quotes it's even worse than that:
"The crackdown is all about preventing foreigners from using visa-exemptions and tourist visas to stay in Thailand and work," Gen Pharnu said.
"We should have done this a long time ago. We have let foreigners work illegally in Thailand on tourist visas for too long. It's time to stop them.".
The immigration chief was clear that from August 13 any foreigners who fail to prove that they are tourists will not be allowed to re-enter the country on visa exemption status (story here), as explained in a formal notice posted on Bangkok Immigration's website on May 8.
"From August 13, if we suspect any foreigner of working illegally in Thailand on a tourist visa, that person will be detained and deported, even if the foreigner has not previously completed even a single visa run," he said.
"People who are deported will be banned from re-entering Thailand for five years.
[URL]http://www.phuketgazette.net/phuket-news/Tourist-visa-runs-not-dead-Immigration-boss/29460[/URL]#ad-image-0.
It was posted earlier here that Immigration offiers at the border will be able to use their own judgement to allow someone to enter the country. That will lead to widespread bribery at the borders.
[QUOTE=Allover;1569938]It was posted earlier here that Immigration offiers at the border will be able to use their own judgement to allow someone to enter the country. [/QUOTE]That has always been the case everywhere in the world.
Nothing much more to say.
Bangkok, May 22,2014 (AFP) - Thailand's military on Thursday declared a night-time curfew across the troubled country after seizing power in a coup.
"Under martial law, the National Peace Keeping Committee prohibits anyone across the kingdom from leaving their home from 10 pm to 5 am," an army spokesman said in a televised announcement.
[QUOTE=Jgm005;1570479]Nothing much more to say.
Bangkok, May 22,2014 (AFP) - Thailand's military on Thursday declared a night-time curfew across the troubled country after seizing power in a coup.
"Under martial law, the National Peace Keeping Committee prohibits anyone across the kingdom from leaving their home from 10 pm to 5 am," an army spokesman said in a televised announcement.[/QUOTE]Does that include leaving hotels? Not really my home.
Tried to get a Cowboy girl to come over before curfew and leave after... Starts jacking up prices...
[QUOTE=Pita123;1570480]Does that include leaving hotels? Not really my home.
Tried to get a Cowboy girl to come over before curfew and leave after... Starts jacking up prices...[/QUOTE]This curfew does cause a pain in the ass situation for many?
[QUOTE=Pita123;1570480]Does that include leaving hotels? Not really my home.
Tried to get a Cowboy girl to come over before curfew and leave after... Starts jacking up prices...[/QUOTE]
I am hearing many things. Such as late arriving flights being stuck at the airport, etc.
I am in country so my ears are open for the ongoing joy.
All TV channels are playing music and only military channels are doing news or such.
My first trip too Thailand. Now I will go over there for 3 weeks time. With a budget too spend of 4000 euro for hotels, drinks, food and sure our hobby. I am not a monger that thinks in terms of quantity, rather quality and I am into GFE. So too start with I thought to chose caerfully and take with me girls LT now and then when I feel for it and when I find the right ones.
But here is a problem, I don't know what too do with. It happens that I accsidentley met this girl online from BKK. The thing is she is 10, period! And after some days chatting is crazy after me. Telling me she will take holidays and stay with me when I am in Thailand.
Its not that I don't want to be with her, but telling yes would destroy all posibiliteys too bang other girls. I don't really know what is the best play here.
[QUOTE=Tomux22;1570622]Its not that I don't want to be with her, but telling yes would destroy all posibiliteys too bang other girls. I don't really know what is the best play here.[/QUOTE]Follow the golden rule. It's your gold, so you rule. Tell her when you will see her and stick to your guns. When it's time for her to leave tell her to go. It's your time; it's your money; it's you vacation. You set the rules. But be nice about it. No need to offend her and get her pissed off.
[QUOTE=Tomux22;1570622]The thing is she is 10, period! [/QUOTE]Don't think that's legal. Even in BKK.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1570626]Follow the golden rule. It's your gold, so you rule. Tell her when you will see her and stick to your guns. When it's time for her to leave tell her to go. It's your time; it's your money; it's you vacation. You set the rules. But be nice about it. No need to offend her and get her pissed off.[/QUOTE]Makes sence. In the end of the day. I will treat her nice, pay for her and I am pretty sure she will enjoy time spendt with me.
So she takes advantage of me as much as I of her.
[quote=lordnecros;1570630]don't think that's legal. even in bkk.[/quote]ok this might have came out wrong. i am not into ****d girls. for me she is a 10 in looks.
[quote=lordnecros;1570630]don't think that's legal. even in bkk.[/quote]
[quote=tomux22;1570634]ok this might have came out wrong. i am not into ****d girls. for me she is a 10 in looks.[/quote]****philia is an evil predilection with serious consequences in the los. i understood the 10 to mean looks not age, which is why i offered advice.
[QUOTE=Tomux22;1570622]
But here is a problem, I don't know what too do with. It happens that I accsidentley met this girl online from BKK. The thing is she is 10, period! And after some days chatting is crazy after me. Telling me she will take holidays and stay with me when I am in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Mate, she is crazy for your money. I assume she knows this is your first time. She thinks you are a sucker so she is alllll into you. Unless some other sucker shows up a day 3 and suddenly her grandmother died and she needs to go see her...
[QUOTE=Pita123;1571082]Mate, she is crazy for your money. I assume she knows this is your first time. She thinks you are a sucker so she is alllll into you. Unless some other sucker shows up a day 3 and suddenly her grandmother died and she needs to go see her...[/QUOTE]Yes your right, just an expert in manipulation she might be. Pretending too be a pure girl, looking for true love. From her facebook page it dose seem she is a gold digger. Fancy whaces, phones, clubs...you name it... Not having rich parents and cassual job I guess she could not live such style of life from her inncome.
I am used to deal with FSU dievuskas, and trust me dude I dought there is bigger gold diggers in the world then these Ukrainian or Russian chiks.
[quote=paulkausch;1570709]****philia is an evil predilection with serious consequences in the los. i understood the 10 to mean looks not age, which is why i offered advice.[/quote]I know. I was just pulling his legs.
And tomus, I'll suggest that you discuss the cost beforehand. and maybe pay her by the day / night. no advance either.
[QUOTE=LordNecros;1571170]I know. I was just pulling his legs.
And Tomus, I'll suggest that you discuss the cost beforehand. ANd maybe pay her by the day / night. No advance either.[/QUOTE]Obviously I took you to be serious. Now that I get the practical joke, I find it funny.
Within the last few minutes I received two emails that had nothing to do with each other from Thai friend in Bangkok who are reliable sources of information. Both people said the same thing; they understand the curfew will be lifted on Wednesday.
Has anyone else heard anything about this?
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1571208]Within the last few minutes I received two emails that had nothing to do with each other from Thai friend in Bangkok who are reliable sources of information. Both people said the same thing; they understand the curfew will be lifted on Wednesday.
Has anyone else heard anything about this?[/QUOTE]Yes, I have heard the same thing. 28 May it will be lifted according to a "good girl" Thai (yea right).
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1571208]Both people said the same thing; they understand the curfew will be lifted on Wednesday. Has anyone else heard anything about this?[/QUOTE]My sources at both the Pentagon and the CIA concur/say not Wed but either Thursday or Friday. ;)
Like everything here no one seem to take it very serious after a day! Heard a few Go Go's at Walking St... Was going to open early like 4 pm. Too early for me and couldn't get a confirmation at Bacarra as to the actual time it was going to open and close but knew the girls were ordered to go in by 7 pm, so after dinner took a ride down at 7 pm. Going thru Soi Diamond many places were closed or not open yet and one place told me 10 pm, At one of the Happy group they had no idea? But although early W.S. Was pretty alive as if nothing was going on.
Walked into Bacarra, the place was packed wall to wall people as if there was no other place open in the area. People were going wild gave me the feeling in a State of Emergency everyone had to go to the super market and load up? Although packed not a lot of customers were barfining, their line-up board was still full at 9 pm. Many girls were saying due to the curfew majority of the customers wanted LT, and if they had to go this early and stay in the asking rate was 5,000 and up. Meantime, a group of guys were throwing giant basket of ping pong 30,000 baht? One guy stripped naked and threw baskets of ping pong at the girls.
It was rumor that Bacarra was going to open at 12 noon today but later a call came out that they will open at 5:30 pm and close at 10 pm. I left around 9:15 pm and riding home everything seem normal and it was hard to believe in half hour everyone had to be inside. Certainly all the food stalls I saw show no movement of concern about the curfew? At 10:15, I got a call that Bacarra was still open and the girls were dancing but no customers minutes later I got a call again that they were closed. I think whenever they call the curfew off as days go by the bars will adjust and open later and later until it is back to normal.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1571208]Within the last few minutes I received two emails that had nothing to do with each other from Thai friend in Bangkok who are reliable sources of information. Both people said the same thing; they understand the curfew will be lifted on Wednesday.
Has anyone else heard anything about this?[/QUOTE]Sounds like your friends both have Facebook.
[QUOTE=Pita123;1571245]Sounds like your friends both have Facebook.[/QUOTE]Maybe their young adult children got it from there. Seriously, they just mentioned it in passing and didn't say where they got the information. I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere on the internet. Don't want to start a rumor, which it sounds like is all this is.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1571226]My sources at both the Pentagon and the CIA concur/say not Wed but either Thursday or Friday.[/QUOTE]Well, that sounds very credible. I'll pass it along and be sure to attribute it to you. ;)
[QUOTE=LordNecros;1571170]I know. I was just pulling his legs.
And Tomus, I'll suggest that you discuss the cost beforehand. ANd maybe pay her by the day / night. No advance either.[/QUOTE]The thing is she is into that "I want too be your gf talk". But that ofen end up costing even more, then paying one for day / night. Will feel her out when in person and will see wha happens.
Just completed my first trip to Thailand and found the talent level's in both Bangkok and Pattaya to be very high, especially in the gogo's. It was off season on my visit and I was wondering what tourist season does to the lineup's, hotel prices etc? Is there a noticeable increase of mongers along with a significant decrease of talent available at gogo's with more 'shoppers'?
[QUOTE=Breadman;1572358]Just completed my first trip to Thailand and found the talent level's in both Bangkok and Pattaya to be very high, especially in the gogo's. It was off season on my visit and I was wondering what tourist season does to the lineup's, hotel prices etc? Is there a noticeable increase of mongers along with a significant decrease of talent available at gogo's with more 'shoppers'?[/QUOTE]The high season is from December to March when tourist numbers are up along with the number of ladies. The weather is cooler and there is little rain. Hotels may increase their prices somewhat, but I doubt it is anything like the ridiculous hikes you see in Singapore & Hong Kong.
The low season IME over the years is better for mongering. There was less competition from other clients and the girls schedules were freer.
Because of the political protests during the past half year there was no true high season this year. Reports on ISG indicated the pickings during this period were excellent, no doubt due to the lack of competition for available & needy hot young ladies.
The street scene around NEP has seen the same thing occur. Moreover since the curfew began things appear to have taken a turn for being even better. Further, intel indicates that recently LE has not been hounding the area as it had been doing regularly for years.
"More than 40 countries have issued travel alerts, including the USA And Hong Kong, which have advised citizens to avoid non-essential travel to Thailand.
"In Hong Kong, a major source of visitors to Thailand, the Travel Industry Council reported that travel agents cancelled at least 70 tour groups this week involving 1,300 people.
"Hotels in Bangkok say the coup has kept them busy with nonstop cancellations.
"We have received more than 650 cancellations in the past five days," said Deepak Ohri, chief executive of the 358-room Lebua hotel, whose dizzyingly high rooftop Sky Bar was featured in "The Hangover Part II.".
[URL]http://news.ca.msn.com/world/thailand-coup-petition-to-lift-beach-resort-curfew-as-tourism-takes-hit[/URL]
The hobbying in LOS should be mint in the upcoming weeks & months. By all means do come.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1572945]The hobbying in LOS should be mint in the upcoming weeks & months. By all means do come.[/QUOTE]I've just sent my secretary down to the travel agent to book my ticket for the end of June. Long weekend visa run in LOS.
can't say that hotel prices look especially cheaper right now. might be showing up later though who knows?
i don't know if go go interest is from me getting fitter this year or low amount of customers. most places seemed to have a decent amount of people drinking and sitting with ladies today at least. beergarden have full tables when you peek inside.
i did notice that there is a lot more fl action going lateish though, compared to late march. many many druggies and lb hanging out on the walk from sc to soi 7. quite a few africans of varied looks in the low sukh numbers, many fat thai ladies and many "i'd card less" ladies looking self conscious. i don't remember them being so many, perhaps might be because i don't search them out. if fls is your thing it looks like a good market. might have been a curfew extension blow out sale though lol.
my 2 satangs.
[QUOTE=Gorgon;1573415]Can't say that hotel prices look especially cheaper right now. Might be showing up later though who knows?[/QUOTE]High end hotels seem to be offering good deals at the moment. The Hyatt is available for US $ 133++ and I've been getting lots of emails from the Westin with rooms starting at 3,200++. Probably more than most want to pay, but if you're passing through for a couple of days only then it's a good opportunity to splash out. I've noticed on hotelclub that there are some pretty good deals going around, book now and save xx%, sort of thing. There seem to be more deals going around now than we I booked a few months ago.
[QUOTE=Kerrstar;1573574]High end hotels seem to be offering good deals at the moment. The Hyatt is available for US $ 133++ and I've been getting lots of emails from the Westin with rooms starting at 3,200++. Probably more than most want to pay, but if you're passing through for a couple of days only then it's a good opportunity to splash out. I've noticed on hotelclub that there are some pretty good deals going around, book now and save xx%, sort of thing. There seem to be more deals going around now than we I booked a few months ago.[/QUOTE]These are also good circumstances to request a free upgrade at check in. Ask for a club floor room. If they say no ask for the room with no club floor privileges. You get a nicer room at the same price and it doesn't cost them more. Well they do have some added depreciation on a more expensive room but that is a negligible expense. It's the privileges that are an added cost to them.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1573595]These are also good circumstances to request a free upgrade at check in. Ask for a club floor room. If they say no ask for the room with no club floor privileges. You get a nicer room at the same price and it doesn't cost them more. Well they do have some added depreciation on a more expensive room but that is a negligible expense. It's the privileges that are an added cost to them.[/QUOTE]Yep, I was upgraded at the Hyatt last stay, but didn't get lounge access. I didn't even ask, but I am a platinum member. Best thing was getting checked in at 8:30 am rather than having to wait in the lobby until the afternoon.
Mac tried to play the upgrade game on me. I prebooked for a "deluxe suite" or what ever they call it and when they gave me the keycard they advised me of "a free of charge upgrade to deluxe room standard". Uhu. I decided not to call them on their bull shit.
Have noticed that there is a good number of good deals but on "non refundable" basis, or not including breakafst.
I revised my September 3-days booking and it was indeed cheaper than what I did, but the terms were not so appealing to cancel the previous one and rebook.
I prefer to book a room I can cancel up to a day or two before, even if my air ticket has been done already (as part of company travel) so I am more flexible on my destination, regardless of curfew or coup which, unless representing a real threaten do not bother me much.
Deciding on visiting Thailand was only the first decision I had to make, visiting either Bangkok or Pattaya (or both) was another decision entirely. There's no clear cut talk about either location, people also seem split on which place is better for the hobby. After 16 days, this is what I found:
Gogo: Bangkok has the better lineup in the gogo's although there was plenty of talent to be found in the Pattaya gogo's to keep one occupied.
Street and bar girls: combining this group, Pattaya's street and beer bar scene way outdoes the Bangkok scene. Don't believe me, check out my post in the photo section, most of those girls were picked off beach road and the beer bars nearby.
Atmosphere: Pattaya gets the nod, having the beach right at your feet really gives the scene a laid back feel.
Shopping: nod goes to Bangkok.
Soapy massages: I found both cities to lack any talent worth bothering checking out more than once.
Massage parlours: nod goes to Bangkok for their full service massage parlours, Pattaya has several but I found the quality to be hit and miss.
Price: Pattaya gets the nod, 800 baht for a walking street girl or 1000 for a soi 6 girl is pretty hard to beat.
Food: Bangkok hands down, found the Pattaya street food to be of lower quality.
Of both places, I found Pattaya to be my favorite of the trip over Bangkok. There seemed to be more choices in Pattaya, had some great success finding some good cheap talent and having them come to my hotel during the day to provide a cheap daytime romp vs heading to one of Bangkok's massage parlours. I will still do both places though on future trips, the talent in Bangkok was extremely high at all of the gogo's I checked out.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1573964]Deciding on visiting Thailand was only the first decision I had to make, visiting either Bangkok or Pattaya (or both) was another decision entirely. There's no clear cut talk about either location, people also seem split on which place is better for the hobby. After 16 days, this is what I found:
Gogo: Bangkok has the better lineup in the gogo's although there was plenty of talent to be found in the Pattaya gogo's to keep one occupied.
Street and bar girls: combining this group, Pattaya's street and beer bar scene way outdoes the Bangkok scene. Don't believe me, check out my post in the photo section, most of those girls were picked off beach road and the beer bars nearby.
Atmosphere: Pattaya gets the nod, having the beach right at your feet really gives the scene a laid back feel.
Shopping: nod goes to Bangkok.
Soapy massages: I found both cities to lack any talent worth bothering checking out more than once.
Massage parlours: nod goes to Bangkok for their full service massage parlours, Pattaya has several but I found the quality to be hit and miss.
Price: Pattaya gets the nod, 800 baht for a walking street girl or 1000 for a soi 6 girl is pretty hard to beat.
Food: Bangkok hands down, found the Pattaya street food to be of lower quality.
Of both places, I found Pattaya to be my favorite of the trip over Bangkok. There seemed to be more choices in Pattaya, had some great success finding some good cheap talent and having them come to my hotel during the day to provide a cheap daytime romp vs heading to one of Bangkok's massage parlours. I will still do both places though on future trips, the talent in Bangkok was extremely high at all of the gogo's I checked out.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the comparison mate, it does help me put my next trip in perspective. I have until the last trip avoided venturing out of Bangkok, but I have decided to give Pattaya a shot next time (given the options generally available) and with your comparison, it makes the decision easier.
I know you said that massage parlours are a hit or miss in Pattaya, but would there be any MPs that you would recommend? What can one get up to in the day, pick off the street or MPs in Pats?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;1573891]Have noticed that there is a good number of good deals but on "non refundable" basis, or not including breakfast. [/QUOTE]Yep, for some of these deals you need to book 7 days in advance and they are non-refundable. The Hyatt has a members only deal which is the same as the best rate they offer but can be cancelled on the day of arrival. Not sure if other hotel chains offer the same, but they probably do. I don't usually eat breakfast, so not having breakfast included is OK with me. I used to travel a lot with work, hence I managed to get platinum status. Free wifi is included, which is a bonus for when I travel to places that charge an arm and a leg for internet.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1573964]
Gogo: Bangkok has the better lineup in the gogo's although there was plenty of talent to be found in the Pattaya gogo's to keep one occupied.
Soapy massages: I found both cities to lack any talent worth bothering checking out more than once.
[/QUOTE]Go Go's are Pattaya's strong suit. Did you check out Sensations? The talent there is as good or better than any BKK Go Go. IMHO.
Soapy Massage Parlors are one of BKK's strong suits. Did you check out La Belle or Copa Cabana? Great talent there. I agree that Pattaya Soapies lack talent.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1573964]Street and bar girls: combining this group, Pattaya's street and beer bar scene way outdoes the Bangkok scene. Don't believe me, check out my post in the photo section, most of those girls were picked off beach road and the beer bars nearby.
Price: Pattaya gets the nod, 800 baht for a walking street girl or 1000 for a soi 6 girl is pretty hard to beat.[/QUOTE]Nice pics, though all of the girls were stated to be from elsewhere than Beach Road.
From film I've seen of Pattaya's Beach Road street walker FLs, I doubt they could come up to the same class as these in BKK:
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mB06h-VyvA[/URL]
The NCP girls above have gone for 1000 baht ST since 2007 to today.
Beach Road Pattaya girls have often been quoted at as low as 500 baht.
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1574069]
I know you said that massage parlours are a hit or miss in Pattaya, but would there be any MPs that you would recommend? What can one get up to in the day, pick off the street or MPs in Pats?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]I did one soapy massage on my first day after walking into all of them down by the far end of 2nd road (honey, sabai dee) and the talent was mediocre at best. Picked the best looker but she was hiding stretch marks. Went back later in the evening a few days later hoping to see a better lineup but it was a quick walk in and walk out of all of them. There were a few cute girls down by LK metro (sir lancelot mentioned them) at the massage joints but the draw (at least for me) is to get a halfway decent massage and then a fuck. All she knew how to do was fuck and at 2000 baht it wasn't worth trying another girl. I was getting regular massage's at the corner massage joints but without extra's, you might be able to talk one of them into coming back to your hotel or having one delivered to your hotel.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1574176]Go Go's are Pattaya's strong suit. Did you check out Sensations? The talent there is as good or better than any BKK Go Go. IMHO.
Soapy Massage Parlors are one of BKK's strong suits. Did you check out La Belle or Copa Cabana? Great talent there. I agree that Pattaya Soapies lack talent.[/QUOTE]Let's just say its a close call on the gogo's. You can always find something. Didn't check out LaBelle or Copa, will try them next trip.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1574193]Nice pics, though all of the girls were stated to be from elsewhere than Beach Road.
From film I've seen of Pattaya's Beach Road street walker FLs, I doubt they could come up to the same class as these in BKK:
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mB06h-VyvA[/URL]
The NCP girls above have gone for 1000 baht ST since 2007 to today.
Beach Road Pattaya girls have often been quoted at as low as 500 baht.[/QUOTE]I'm comparing what I saw in both places with my own eyes, not what I've seen on youtube.
I have osted this in General and Politics threads as it very important.
Thailand is still under a nationwide Martial Law status. Martial Law means that nearly all insurance companies will void your travel insurance if you travel to Thailand, so you are not covered in the event of any sickness, loss of money, loss of baggage, accident etc.
Martial law in effect across the country means they can invoke the small print and will not be liable for ANY claim you may attempt to make.
Http: mozo. Com. Au / travel-money / articles / travelling-to-Thailand-your-travel-insurance-may-be-voided /1803260625.
People should seriously consider the Philippines or other Asian countries at the moment for a holiday and avoid Thailand.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1573964]Deciding on visiting Thailand was only the first decision I had to make, visiting either Bangkok or Pattaya (or both) was another decision entirely. There's no clear cut talk about either location, people also seem split on which place is better for the hobby. [/QUOTE]I think you hit many nails on the head with your comparisons. I like to spend time in both Bangkok and Pattaya during my visits. Big city vibe vs. The laid back beach vibe. From hotels to food and drink and the ladies Pattaya is certainly less expensive if you choose it to be. More diversity of things to do in Bangkok. I do think the SW scene is of higher quality in Bangkok looks wise (or at least there is more better looking woman to choose from) but at half the price it is possible to find acceptable options on Beach Road.
I like to spend the first stretch of days upon arrival in Bangkok, then head to Patts for a while, then end the trip with some more time back in Bangkok. If I had to choose just one city to visit I don't know which it would be. Pattaya is certainly worth a visit for anyone who has not been there. FWIW I use Bell Travel Service to transfer between cities and they have never disappointed.
SL.
[QUOTE=ThePro;1575207]I have osted this in General and Politics threads as it very important.
Thailand is still under a nationwide Martial Law status. Martial Law means that nearly all insurance companies will void your travel insurance if you travel to Thailand, so you are not covered in the event of any sickness, loss of money, loss of baggage, accident etc.
Martial law in effect across the country means they can invoke the small print and will not be liable for ANY claim you may attempt to make.
. [/QUOTE]This statement ("you are not covered in the event of any sickness, loss of money, loss of baggage, accident etc. ") is probably not true, but I agree that some "hassle factor" could be added to any claim. Sickness events are likely unaffected. See longer response in Politics thread. TTG.
[QUOTE=ThePro;1575207]I have osted this in General and Politics threads as it very important.
Thailand is still under a nationwide Martial Law status. Martial Law means that nearly all insurance companies will void your travel insurance if you travel to Thailand, so you are not covered in the event of any sickness, loss of money, loss of baggage, accident etc.
Martial law in effect across the country means they can invoke the small print and will not be liable for ANY claim you may attempt to make.
Http: mozo. Com. Au / travel-money / articles / travelling-to-Thailand-your-travel-insurance-may-be-voided /1803260625.
People should seriously consider the Philippines or other Asian countries at the moment for a holiday and avoid Thailand. [/QUOTE]None of this insurance advice is correct.
Just confirmed with my travel insurance company for my trip in two weeks time. They are more than happy to insure me and take my money.
Be careful of some of the silly advice from "experts" on this forum.
one of many scams being run to generate massive hysteria and keep the dollars rolling in. but don't hold your breath expecting the mainstream western media to ever follow up about all the phony ginned up stats that have been used in the last few decades. it just doesn't fit their agenda. just like "climate change" and all the phony claims in regard to supposed mass amounts of college [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] going on, claims first made 25 years back by ms magazine (using the koss study to create new fabricated claims). time magazine last week even was pushing some new phony claims. purportedly 10's of thousands or perhaps 100's of 1000's of males are plundering and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] women on college campuses each year.
http: www. cnn. com /2014/05/30/ world / asia / cambodia-sex-slavery-foundation-hero-resign / index. html.
[quote=western787;1575337]one of many scams being run to generate massive hysteria and keep the dollars rolling in. but don't hold your breath expecting the mainstream western media to ever follow up about all the phony ginned up stats that have been used in the last few decades. it just doesn't fit their agenda. just like "climate change" and all the phony claims in regard to supposed mass amounts of college [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] going on, claims first made 25 years back by ms magazine (using the koss study to create new fabricated claims). time magazine last week even was pushing some new phony claims. purportedly 10's of thousands or perhaps 100's of 1000's of males are plundering and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] women on college campuses each year.
http: www. cnn. com /2014/05/30/ world / asia / cambodia-sex-slavery-foundation-hero-resign / index. html. [/quote]there has been a lot of coverage of the somaly mam foundation scandal in the se asian press. see the following editorial in the [i]bangkok post[/i]. a few days ago there was a news article in the post about this.
http: www. bangkokpost. com / opinion / opinion /413080/ a-sad-and-sorry-tale.
[QUOTE=Stykler;1575281]None of this insurance advice is correct.
Just confirmed with my travel insurance company for my trip in two weeks time. They are more than happy to insure me and take my money.
Be careful of some of the silly advice from "experts" on this forum. [/QUOTE]My company, with the advise of their travel insurance covering a few thousands staff all over the world resumed traveling as normal in Thailand, after banning it soon after the coup. Only caution is required in insurgent areas near borders with Cambodia and Myanmar.
Caution that could be also advised in central London, if there is a sudden riot. So "business as usual".
No special exemption such as "travel but we do not cover hospital if you are hit by a grenade in BKK".