Rio de Janeiro Reports

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1124807]You have a better chance of getting robbed while leaving balcony bar than while being in Tijuca or centro.[/QUOTE]Stress Centro during the [i]day[/i] when the prives are open. Regarding Copa, I heard some gunfire near Barbarella earlier this week. I walk all around Centro at night and have never heard gunfire in Centro on this or previous trips.

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101;1124753]I am trying to understand why there is such a disparity between the prices at a Termas and the girls at the Privies? It just doesn't make sense. Nowhere else in hobby land (near as I can figure) can you get the same pussy for the same range of prices.[/QUOTE]I know its also that way in Jakarta, Tokyo, Osaka, and San Jose CR. The better the place, the more convenient, and the more well known, the higher the prices. Some girls don't have the personality for work like that. They have to be able to be dependable, sexually open, work late nights, and treat every customer like he's the biggest stud in Brasil. In the prives, not much is required except show up in the morning, suck and fuck, go home.

I stopped by T502 again this evening. Very busy. Saw the girl that I've been banging there and was thinking of giving her the number for TLN. But she was hooked up with some guy already, so I wasn't going to wait and just left. Walked down the street, lots of little funk parties going on in alleyways all over, maybe 70 people each. Lots of booty shakin.

I'm leaving early so won't report more girls, but just wanted to mention some things that were reinforced to me during the trip.

If you want quality sessions with GFE, BBBJ, CIM, etc focus on the mid-range termas, bars and apartments. Last time, I wasted a lot of time in BA85, U210, VM etc with nothing to show but blue balls, a stack of spitty condoms, and a high score. This time, I didn't even stop by.

If a girl is not providing as promised, you can give her a second chance to honor it, and if that fails, then walk out like I did. I used to suggest here that people should have done that, but always wondered if I'd actually stick my dick back in my robe and go make an issue of it when out in the same situation. I can say that it felt good fighting the good fight, and I busted nut elsewhere later so all was well and it was the appropriate thing to do.

If you want to see the potential of a girl, repeat her at least once within days after meeting. The repeat will make the possibilities clear.

Values can be had at Balcony in the early morning like 3 AM. If your schedule can handle it and if you don't need to sleep. :)

Club Florida is off my list. T502 is a better value in every aspect.

Staying in Centro is more of a hassle than it is worth. The price is a little cheaper, it's close to the good spots, but it's way too much walking and way too hard to find food at night. This said after 2 times staying here. I'd rather pay +40 USD per night hotel, stay in Copa, and ride the metro to Centro like I used to do.

Sadly I'm near the end of yet another great trip to Brazil. Having had my fill of buceta, cachaça, & açaí, my only complaint is that I can't stay longer. But there's work to be done and besides I'll be on my way to the Big Apple and Europe for more debauchery not so long from now. I just want to give my impressions of the Termas I visited and Rio in general.

First I want to say that I am impressed with how little by little they are improving the infrastructure around the city. Good to see that at least some of the increased costs are going towards making things better. Love the workout stations along the beach; hope that they open up a "Muscle Beach" type of place somewhere in Copa or Ipa. Some of the buses are now equiped with televisions that display the weather and the latest news (fancy). Look forward to the day when the metro extends out to the Jardim Botanico and Barra da Tijuca.

I don't waste my time with the low-end termas / bordellos. I'm rather picky and have enough trouble finding the type of woman that I like (skinny with a nice little butt) at the mid-range Termas. The only Termas I really consider high-range is Centaurus and they annoy me too much, plus the quality of gals aren't any better than at the mid-range places. As an aside I will admit that I've had good times there in the past but the last time I visited the place was perhaps two years ago. Anyway .....

L'uomo. This place had more thin gals than at the other termas I went to. Most of the gals here are dark skinned. This doesn't matter to me but I'm sure to other folks it might. Had some good nights here a couple of times.

Monte Carlo. Didn't do much for me this time. Mostly thick / fat women. Some visits this place is pretty good. This wasn't one of those visits.

Solarium. Has to be the most boring of the mid-range places. For my tastes the ladies are mostly average. Some decent lookers. Some scrawny chicks. But man is it place lame. At least MC has a whiskeria where you can hide and watch sports until some fresh meat shows up. Didn't spend much time here.

Termas 65 - They made some nice improvements to this Termas located in O Centro. No where near as big or hectic as the nearby 4X4 & of course far fewer women. Not too many slim women from what I saw. Many gals with the "bundão". The few fit women I met there I had already been with during previous visits. Nice that they have remodeled the boate. It looks much nicer now. Plus they opened a whiskeria on the level below for guys who like to keep their business suits on (no robes allowed there).

4X4 - This has been my most visited termas for a few years now. The overall quality isn't really better than the other places but do to the vast numbers of women employed there; if you stay long enough you'll eventually find something you like. Once again, plenty of fat chicks and many of the gals that fit MY type I have already been with two or three times (and there's nothing the Devil hates more than repetition). Thankfully this is a very festive place that has a party-like atmosphere so it's easy to while away the time by chatting & drinking .... occasionally screwing as well. Sometimes I retreat to the smaller boate to take a quick break from the scene and give time for new faces to show up. Like with T65, there is a whiskeria that's clothes only. I'm sure it comes in handy for those business fellows who don't have time to change into a robe and lounge around for half of the day. Had some good times here as usual. Too many women trying to be my namorada and asking me for marriage. How silly - even demons know better than to marry girls that work in termas!

I also happened to pass by Lovely Rio massage and check out the talent. Only a couple of women there at 8PM on a Saturday night. But they were both attractive? How did this happen? One was a pretty and slim morena. The other was a blonde girl who was wearing a white gown (so I couldn't fully appreciate her figure but she appeared to at least not be fat). Didn't pull the trigger at that time but I was sorely tempted.

Hell, I have a few hours left in Rio, no better way to kill some time.
"O tempora, o mores"
- DSK

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1124954]Staying in Centro is more of a hassle than it is worth. The price is a little cheaper, it's close to the good spots, but it's way too much walking and way too hard to find food at night. This said after 2 times staying here. I'd rather pay +40 USD per night hotel, stay in Copa, and ride the metro to Centro like I used to do.[/QUOTE]Many many THANKS for the great reports / insights into the Rio scene as it stands as of late. Thank you for the very interesting and entertaining POVs. Definitely agree, Centro has less and less to offer these days, for night time activities. One by one things are closing and disappearing fast. Praca Maua, use to be nice hub of activity, with plenty to offer. These days it's virtually a ghost town.

[QUOTE=Devilspinkick; 1125038]Sadly I'm near the end of yet another great trip to Brazil. Having had my fill of buceta, cachaça, & açaí, my only complaint is that I can't stay longer. But there's work to be done and besides I'll be on my way to the Big Apple and Europe for more debauchery not so long from now. I just want to give my impressions of the Termas I visited and Rio in general.

Like with T65, there is a whiskeria that's clothes only. I'm sure it comes in handy for those business fellows who don't have time to change into a robe and lounge around for half of the day. Had some good times here as usual. Too many women trying to be my namorada and asking me for marriage. How silly. Even demons know better than to marry girls that work in termas!

- DSK[/QUOTE]DSK, you have too much fun! I think you were down in Sao Paulo too. Which scene do you prefer for debauchery?

I prefer the whiskerias vs termas. The robes make the termas seem like, err. A gay bath house. Also the short robes make the bigger guys seem reminiscent of Tony Soprano standing in his kitchen on the HBO show eating gabagul. Then I want to laugh. One day, one of these guys is going to punch me for laughing. :)

[QUOTE=Exec Talent;1121879]Rio is not cheap. Neither getting there nor staying there. Flights from most destinations are $1000+ and hotels are $100+ a day. With a $2K budget that doesn't leave you money for much else.[/QUOTE]I fly from NY and I always get $750. $900. Just get the tickets 2 or 3 months ahead of time.

[QUOTE=Rafzuh; 1121868]Hi all,

Without browsing through 1000's of posts, anyone know where to go to get the best deals on a flight+hotel in Rio?

I don't want to spend more than $700-$800 on a flight since my total budget would be $2k.

I've been reviewing destinations such as Havana, Sosua DR, and now I'm also interested in Rio. I'll be making my choice at the end of March to leave mid-April.

Any advice is appreciated[/QUOTE]Just get your ticket 2 or 3 month ahead of time. I fly from NY and always pay bet $700. $900. The $900 is a filght during carneval ticket.

The only thing holding me back from going to Rio is that I only speak english.

Can anyone please tell me roughly what percentage of the girls at termas speak english?

I tried learning portuguese, but I just don't have a gift for languages.

(As a side note, I was planning a trip to Sao Paulo but several people told me that the percentage of escorts there who spoke english is almost zero, so I decided not to go.)

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1125119]Like with T65, there is a whiskeria that's clothes only. I'm sure it comes in handy for those business fellows who don't have time to change into a robe and lounge around for half of the day.:)[/QUOTE]LOL. Yours is the perspecitive of the clueless gringo tourist. The robe deal IS for the Brazilian business crowd. So they don't come home to their wives reeking of cigarette smoke, perfume, and with whatever got left in a pocket.

[QUOTE=Freedom3; 1125164]The only thing holding me back from going to Rio is that I only speak english.

Can anyone please tell me roughly what percentage of the girls at termas speak english?

I tried learning portuguese, but I just don't have a gift for languages.

(As a side note, I was planning a trip to Sao Paulo but several people told me that the percentage of escorts there who spoke english is almost zero, so I decided not to go.) [/QUOTE]I'll offer a newbie persepective since I have been to both but only once. Sao Paulo is so big it is a bit intimidating. I met english speaking Garotas at the hotel bar. I called escorts and almost none that answered spoke any English at all."Spanish" I heard. I can't do that either. SP's are everywhere in Brazil. I think you need a basic understanding of Porto to get around.

Rio on the other hand is smaller and it is easier to find english speaking cabbies. It is easy to get to the Termas and hooker bars that are concentrated in Cobacabana and many SP's could speak enough english to make the transaction. I was way less confused and intimidated by Rio. My thoughts.

I will buy Roseta Stone Porto I think

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101; 1124753]I am getting ready for my second trip to Rio. I speak no Porto. I was going to hit Monte Carlo and L'umo and maybe cast my lot at the Balconi.

I am trying to understand why there is such a disparity between the prices at a Termas and the girls at the Privies? It just doesn't make sense. Nowhere else in hobby land (near as I can figure) can you get the same pussy for the same range of prices. R60-R80 at Tigres vs R450 at Centaurus. I am tempted to go to a privy but I am worried that I will end up on the wrong end of a stick-up. And whos going to pay R470 at Barberellas when they can get a girl at the balconi from R150-R250?

I just don't get it?[/QUOTE]Termas have a much better facilites. Robes, flip flops, Steam room, Sauna, Showers, Towels, atmosphere etc.

[QUOTE=Freedom3; 1125164]The only thing holding me back from going to Rio is that I only speak english.

Can anyone please tell me roughly what percentage of the girls at termas speak english?

I tried learning portuguese, but I just don't have a gift for languages.

(As a side note, I was planning a trip to Sao Paulo but several people told me that the percentage of escorts there who spoke english is almost zero, so I decided not to go.)[/QUOTE]I don't speak poro either and have ben to Rio 5 times. None of my friends that I go with to speak porto. Money talks.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1125119]I prefer the whiskerias vs termas. The robes make the termas seem like, err. A gay bath house.[/QUOTE]I have a picture from years back of me and a few wingmen sitting in the beach chairs upstairs at 4X4 wearing our robes. My ex girlfriend saw it and asked what was I doing at a gay spa. If she only knew.

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101;1125177]I will buy Roseta Stone Porto I think[/QUOTE]If you don't want to spend the money on Rosetta stone, try this link below, it's similar format and much less money.

[url]http://www.babbel.com/a#/flash/navigation/home[/url]

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101;1125177]I will buy Roseta Stone Porto I think[/QUOTE]Its funny how one will take on a huge task like learning a new language, even a limited-use one like Porto or Thai, just to make it easier to find good P4P sessions, isn't it? Sex is the best motivator.

All kinds of extraordinary things can happen for places with good P4P. People want to learn their language, do business there, etc.

On the business side of it, I've seen supply contracts given to Brasilian companies when they were barely capable of doing the work, just because the guys buying want excuses to go to Rio and bang WG's. Then since the supplier is so crappy, a whole lot of frequent trips are required to keep things in check and make sure they aren't 'messing up down there. ' The Brasilian companies know this and in my experience the first time you hit the country they will take you to the best ho house in their town, so you can see what you get to do when you work with them. Smart guys. I have to think that a good P4P industry plays some small factor in rise of Brasil. Everybody wants to 'work with cheap suppliers in Rio.' We know what kind of work is done and what is supplied. :)

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1125119]Which scene do you prefer for debauchery?

I prefer the whiskerias vs termas. The robes make the termas seem like, err. A gay bath house. [/QUOTE]I will occasionally dress up and go to the nicer clubs & boates, esp. in Sampa; however, I'm more of a casual guy and don't mind lounging around in robes or whatever. Another advantage the termas have is that I can do my sinning from noon to late evening. I usually get up around 9AM to hit the beach / workout so staying up 'til 3AM trying to get laid doesn't do it for me.

I understand your feelings about seeing other guys in various stages of undress. It is particularly disturbing when gays (er, I mean GUYS) run around with just a towel around their waist. I guess it is a Brasileiro thing cause I don't think I've ever seen a gringo do that. I just ignore the dudes in general and concentrate on the dames. And I do love to see women half naked. Even better in the FKKs of Europe when the gals are practically in their birthday suits. It's nice to see a woman in a hot dress but sometimes they can hide things under all that flashy glitter. If I had my own bible that would definitely be a commandment: "Thou dames shall not false advertise thou hotness of thy flesh!".

BTW. Yeh, I spent a bit of time in Sampa also. Wanted to go back to Curitiba but travel plans didn't pan out.

Maybe later.

- DSK

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1125272]Its funny how one will take on a huge task like learning a new language, even a limited-use one like Porto or Thai, just to make it easier to find good P4P sessions, isn't it? Sex is the best motivator.

All kinds of extraordinary things can happen for places with good P4P. People want to learn their language, do business there, etc.

On the business side of it, I've seen supply contracts given to Brasilian companies when they were barely capable of doing the work, just because the guys buying want excuses to go to Rio and bang WG's. Then since the supplier is so crappy, a whole lot of frequent trips are required to keep things in check and make sure they aren't 'messing up down there. ' The Brasilian companies know this and in my experience the first time you hit the country they will take you to the best ho house in their town, so you can see what you get to do when you work with them. Smart guys. I have to think that a good P4P industry plays some small factor in rise of Brasil. Everybody wants to 'work with cheap suppliers in Rio. ' We know what kind of work is done and what is supplied. . [/QUOTE]Thats not been my experience. If your poor at your job they yank your visa and void the contract in that order. ALL BIG CONTRACTS & ESPECIALLY SUPPLY have performance clauses. At the blue colar worker level its do as in Rome (but we actually session) Management, having a "PUBLIC" GDP Monger rep with an inability to control your workers will get you Black Balled from future jobs. They bring in outside contractors not for simple labor but for Project management strength (P. O. C.) & experience of intelectual / technology not in Country. Labor is the last thing they need and will quickly remove hendrences to on time delivery and quality.

Generally the big Debauchery scene is saved for the end of contract celebration. Hower, the sales reps live in a continual hedonistic frenzy as they have the expense accounts and all they have to show inorder to justify the expense is a signed supply agreement.

Great Post from your trips However!

Which Termas, Privy, bar scene has the best collection of hot white chicks? If Centaurus is #1 than who is #2. If 4x4 is #2 than what Termas, Privy, or bar scene that is open on weekends is #3?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101; 1125353]Which Termas, Privy, bar scene has the best collection of hot white chicks? If Centaurus is #1 than who is #2. If 4x4 is #2 than what Termas, Privy, or bar scene that is open on weekends is #3?

Thanks[/QUOTE]I don't know about Centaurus, but Solarium seems to have a skin shade test when hiring. The vast majority of garotas are white.

Hello all,

Has anyone seen Alessandra (the infamous "Mini me") in the last couple of months? What's she up to, and is she still thick as remembered? Also, anyone have any recents shots (or videos) or her?

[QUOTE=Deltron; 1125539]Hello, all,

Has anyone seen Alessandra (the infamous "Mini me") in the last couple of months? What's she up to, and is she still thick as remembered? Also, anyone have any recents shots (or videos) or her? [/QUOTE]A quick review of your 11 posts in 3+ years shows that you are all about taking and not about giving. One has to doubt if you have ever even been to Brazil. This forum is about people contributing their experiences and not for voyeurs. Before others waste their time responding to your posts I hope they consider the source of the request.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1125272]Its funny how one will take on a huge task like learning a new language, even a limited-use one like Porto or Thai, just to make it easier to find good P4P sessions, isn't it? Sex is the best motivator.[/QUOTE]Without the sex angle, crews could never have been recruited to man the ships that sailed on voyages of discovery from the 15th century onward. Guys would put up with months or even years of hell to have their couple weeks of shore leave and the chance to get at the native women.

[QUOTE=Freedom3; 1125164]The only thing holding me back from going to Rio is that I only speak english.

Can anyone please tell me roughly what percentage of the girls at termas speak english?

I tried learning portuguese, but I just don't have a gift for languages.

(As a side note, I was planning a trip to Sao Paulo but several people told me that the percentage of escorts there who spoke english is almost zero, so I decided not to go.) [/QUOTE]It depends which terma. At Centaurus most girls have pretty good command of English. L'uomo has several, as do other termas in the Copa / Ipanema area. Centro: a lot of the girls know only a few words of English. Privates: Pretty much nobody. The escorts on riosexsite_dot_net (replace the _dot_ with a period in your browser; the forum software does not let me write this correctly.) list if they speak English. Places like Balcony: no problem.

BUt I have been coming to Rio for a couple of decades and do not speak porto. Doesn't matter. I don't come to Rio for meaningful conversations, I come for sex. The girls all understand that. And if you have a garota's tongue in your mouth, it's kinda hard to talk anyway. Smiling, laughing, kissing, touching get you much further than the most finely crafted sentence in Portuguese.

And if all else fails, there is always google translate.

Regarding your side note: I find Sampa in general much less conducive to mongering. My advice would be to stick with Rio. Read some of the reports of distinction and follow what those people do, and you will have a great time.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent;1125640]A quick review of your 11 posts in 3+ years shows that you are all about taking and not about giving. One has to doubt if you have ever even been to Brazil. This forum is about people contributing their experiences and not for voyeurs. Before others waste their time responding to your posts I hope they consider the source of the request.[/QUOTE]Most of my posts come via private message. I rarely make public posts. Anyway, it was a simple question. No need to get all high and mighty, especially if we're talking about fucking prostitutes (essentially that is what this is all about).

[QUOTE=Deltron;1125766]Most of my posts come via private message. I rarely make public posts. Anyway, it was a simple question. No need to get all high and mighty, especially if we're talking about fucking prostitutes (essentially that is what this is all about).[/QUOTE]You can find Alessandra Rosa (Mini Me) on Facebook. Add her profile number to the end of the Facebook URL. /profile. Php? I'd=1373900890

[QUOTE=Poucolouco;1125898]You can find Alessandra Rosa (Mini Me) on Facebook. Add her profile number to the end of the Facebook URL. /profile. Php? I'd=1373900890[/QUOTE]She is engaged to some dude from NY, there goes another happy marriage.

Love this song. Solteiro no Rio de Janeiro. (single in Rio de Janeiro).

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzCIqgBk5iA[/url]

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1126424]Love this song. Solteiro no Rio de Janeiro. (single in Rio de Janeiro).

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzCIqgBk5iA[/url][/QUOTE]I like his stuff. I have a copy of the movie Orfeu where I was first exposed to him.

[QUOTE=Poucolouco;1125898]You can find Alessandra Rosa (Mini Me) on Facebook. Add her profile number to the end of the Facebook URL. /profile. Php? I'd=1373900890[/QUOTE]Since you know her so well, how was your experience with her? Is Facebook the preferred way to contact her? Certainly you got her permission before posting her Facebook link on a public forum.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent;1126542]Certainly you got her permission before posting her Facebook link on a public forum.[/QUOTE]I don't think you would need anyone's permission to post a link to someones facebook account. Once you have a facebook account you must assume your details are available to pretty much available to anyone.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1126554]I don't think you would need anyone's permission to post a link to someones facebook account. Once you have a facebook account you must assume your details are available to pretty much available to anyone.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, some people who establish Facebook accounts do not know that they can control their privacy settings and they also might not anticipate that someone would post a link to their account on a public forum.

First time visit to the 4x4 Whiskeria tonight. Got there around 8. 30. R$40 entrance that is put towards consumption. Had a Cuba Libre with Bacardi Gold for R$20 of it. Got to keep the can of Coke.

Initially thought it would be a pretty good spot. Inside is nice, well-kept, red vinyl banquettes and little tables, fiber optic light displays. 2 stages with poles including one pole that is the drop-down from the Boate above. Kind of felt like a Chinese restaurant be / see of the decor. Not a huge number of girls but a nicer, quieter place. Lots of Brazilians in suits.

The issue is that very few girls were rotating through. And, on top of that, some annoying gay guy got on the sound system to do his "strip club DJ" impersonation for about 20 minutes, constantly shouting into the microphone as about 6 different girls rotated on the stages. Couldn't take it and had to bail.

Not sure if there was any way to get up to the Boate w / o paying full price, but probably not.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent;1126542]Since you know her so well, how was your experience with her? Is Facebook the preferred way to contact her? Certainly you got her permission before posting her Facebook link on a public forum.[/QUOTE]I see your point. But I also noticed that she has her privacy settings set pretty well. She has obviously chosen what she wants people to see. On the other hand, I would not post her information. But that is just me personally.

SS

[QUOTE=Jose Cuervo;1126048]Sorry, man, are you sure you posted them? As far as I remember, you said that unfortunately SD card wasn't in your camera when you met Bella, so "10/10 and no pics".[/QUOTE]I just checked my pics posts 6/26 - 7/2 and I think you are right. I remembered I had left my SD card in the PC the first time, but thought maybe I went back again and got a shot. Guess not!

Anyway, after seeing her in real lighting outside Florida, and sober, I have to downgrade that to 8/10 because she's probably 5 years past prime for WGs. [25-27 is prime time in my opinion because girls under 25 often have poor sex skills and beauty tends to fade rapidly after 27] But the sex is 10/10. Bella is worth a spin for anyone in the Praca Maua area, its like having a 4x4 girl at half the price and twice as nasty. She can be found in working in Club Florida, or sometimes drinking with friends at picnic tables outside Bar Florida on nights off. Must be a local. Tall, loira, about 30, constantly acts like she's cranked up. Cant miss her.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1125689]Without the sex angle, crews could never have been recruited to man the ships that sailed on voyages of discovery from the 15th century onward. Guys would put up with months or even years of hell to have their couple weeks of shore leave and the chance to get at the native women.[/QUOTE]

Damn, Golfinho. Some things never change. Sounds like modern office workers. If I had the shittiest project in the world, 1 year long with 6 day weeks and 10 hr days and it included meetings in Rio at the end, there would be a line of volunteers a mile long wanting to work that project for a chance to go to Rio for free and get their chance at the native women.

back from a friday visit to mc. had been there last night after getting out of work and going to the gym. probably got there around 9. 30 and it was a bit empty without much talent. ended up going with a slim little spinner, carina, who i've been seeing outside mc for r$200. so it says something that i paid "market prices" to bang her there.

tonight, got in around 7. 15pm after work. cracking place. lots more girls, many new attractive faces. surprised me. sat next to a girl named fernanda, slim, tan, pixie-like face. apparently ex-help girl who just moved back from 2 years in ireland "studying english." she seemed really cute and, well, new. did some basics to set the ground rules. doesn't take a shot in the mouth, doesn't take it in the ass, says she can suck deep. my interest was fluctuating. she then asked me how many days since i came last, and when i said only 1 (last night's visit) , she said "ok, i'll let you come in my mouth" . i'm like, that's service. in the cabine, reasonable bj but offset by bad habit of biting my lower lip and scraping it against her teeth every time we kissed. and, frankly, a little bit of odor down below. ok a healthy amount, which is a big negative. she also insisted on speaking english and was a little feisty, so chalk that up to experience.

back in the boate, saw yasime, a tall multatta, a bit thicker / bigger body-builder type. always wears black boots. i've been trying to nail her on a past few visits, including last night when she was busy. tonight, i honed in. went right up to her, chatted, said i needed some time to recuperate. about 40 mins later, we headed up to the room. magnificent performance. incredible, deep, smooth head, looking at me the whole time. fresh as a daisy down below. fantastic pussy control during sex and liked me playing with her butthole. my faith is restored!

hung out with her a while in the boate afterwards. on checkout, was happy to see they correctly recorded my free entrance (frequent visitor program). but on the list of charges, there were 3 chopps that i hadn't ordered. along with about 3 other drinks that i had. i explained this and they called down the tall gay waiter. he said "the girl next to you ordered them on your key." i'm like, look, i kept my key on my wrist the whole time, and i know what the first girl and second girl ordered. so they called down the skinny manager dude. i explained to him, and finally he relented saying "if you're happy, i'm happy." i'm like, dude, it's r$20.the amount is small, but it's the principle. i just dropped r$530 and i'm on your frequent fucker program. so thankfully they came around. surprised the waiter tried to sell me out like that. i told him directly, i didn't order anything from you. i went to the bar the whole time. weak.

still, thanks to yasmine, faith restored!

[QUOTE=Freedom3; 1125164]The only thing holding me back from going to Rio is that I only speak english.

Can anyone please tell me roughly what percentage of the girls at termas speak english?

I tried learning portuguese, but I just don't have a gift for languages.

(As a side note, I was planning a trip to Sao Paulo but several people told me that the percentage of escorts there who spoke english is almost zero, so I decided not to go.) [/QUOTE]I would say 35% at the Ts. Balcony will be 45%, and the gals that do speak it, are most dangerous for a newbie. Good hunting.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1125172]LOL. Yours is the perspecitive of the clueless gringo tourist. The robe deal IS for the Brazilian business crowd. So they don't come home to their wives reeking of cigarette smoke, perfume, and with whatever got left in a pocket.[/QUOTE]Be careful when editing nested quote fields. That's DevilSpinKick's post that you were responding to, not mine. In any case, no one deserves such a response.

Well folks, Carnival is right around the corner and it's my first one in Rio. On the other hand, there are 2 issues I face.

1) My company is remaining open and working during Carnival (got to drive those engineers to release product end of March)

2) I'm a cynical, lazy bastard who hates crowds

With those in mind, can anyone suggest that 1-2 "must sees" during Carnival, so I can check the box and at least tell people I experienced it? PM's welcomed or make fun of my here.

-Cartman

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1127932]Well folks, Carnival is right around the corner and it's my first one in Rio. On the other hand, there are 2 issues I face.

1) My company is remaining open and working during Carnival (got to drive those engineers to release product end of March)

2) I'm a cynical, lazy bastard who hates crowds

With those in mind, can anyone suggest that 1-2 "must sees" during Carnival, so I can check the box and at least tell people I experienced it? PM's welcomed or make fun of my here.

-Cartman[/QUOTE]Sambodromo & Scala Ball (many but Gay Costume Ball is a favorite)

[url]http://www.rio-carnival.net/[/url]

The costumes and floats are a must see. Anything associated with the gays I found to be creative and a lot of fun. Otherwise many of the street parades are just an excuse for people to get drunk and make a lot of noise. I find the "music" monotonous and after listening to it for a week or so you will think waterboarding might have been a better option. Other than renting out their apartments for a week to make a few extra bucks there are reasons that locals of means leave town during this time.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1127355]Back from a Friday visit to MC. Had been there last night after getting out of work and going to the gym. Probably got there around 9. 30 and it was a bit empty without much talent. Ended up going with a slim little spinner, Carina, who I've been seeing outside MC for R$200. So it says something that I paid "market prices" to bang her there.

Still, thanks to Yasmine, faith restored! [/QUOTE]I was just at Monte Carlo. I laid eyes on a petite Louro the moment I walked in and spent the entire night with her. God I fell head-over-heels for this girl and we had a great session in the cabine.

I have been to the termas in Rio only twice. Once at Centaurus and now once at Monte Carlo. The talent at MC was as good as the talent I saw at Centaurus for Several R's less. Now I drank more and had a massage so I ended up spending as much as I did in Centaurus but I got better service with a girl that was just as hot watching girls that were just as hot and not as pushy.

The girl at Centaurus pointed to the shower after we were finished. The girl from MC met me at my hotel and fucked me to death and asked for nothing more than cab fare. I love this girl. I will see her again. Now how is that for service?

In fact

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1127932]Well folks, Carnival is right around the corner and it's my first one in Rio. On the other hand, there are 2 issues I face.

1) My company is remaining open and working during Carnival (got to drive those engineers to release product end of March)

2) I'm a cynical, lazy bastard who hates crowds

With those in mind, can anyone suggest that 1-2 "must sees" during Carnival, so I can check the box and at least tell people I experienced it? PM's welcomed or make fun of my here.

-Cartman[/QUOTE]Since you do not like crowds, I assume you do not want to go to the Sambodromo during Carnaval proper.

However, there is still a way to see the Sambodromo.

Today is the last day to go to the Sambodromo to watch the schools practice. After the practice the crowd gets to March and dance along with the school through the parade route. These practices are totally free. But, again, tonight is the last one.

Last practice:

February 27th – Sunday – Unidos the Tijuca (10PM)

SS

[QUOTE=Euro100;1125734]Regarding your side note: I find Sampa in general much less conducive to mongering. My advice would be to stick with Rio. Read some of the reports of distinction and follow what those people do, and you will have a great time.[/QUOTE]Well, I think that depends on entirely what you are looking for.

Rio is a big tourist sex magnet. I think it is more catered to the guys looking for what I would call a porn star experience. Great looking girls, lower prices, magnificent performances but more by-the-hour non-GFE kind of service. Of course there are exceptions but the escort agencies and the termas which is what most Rio fans prefer provides this kind of service. Because Rio is more catered towards tourists there are also more girls speaking English and other non-Porto languages.

Sao Paulo certainly has a much wider selection of choices than Rio. There are no termas (maybe except one) but the boate (nightclub) scene is very good as opposed to similar boates in Rio like Barbarella. The girls in Sao Paulo are more of a mixed type than Rio with a lot more choices of looks and race to choose from. The girls here are just as great looking with the same magnificent performance but their looks are more mixed than the typical morena garota from Rio. On general Sao Paulo is more expensive but since the selection is so large there are also a lot to sample on the less expensive side. Basicly though my observation is that the girls in SP are more catered towards the GFE, all-night experience unless you call someone from a website or escort agency which is also by the hour.

So it all comes down to what you are looking for. Pornstar experience or girlfriend experience. As I said this is what I consider the general situation. There are of course a lot of exceptions. You also need to take into consideration the higher prices and wider selection in Sao Paulo and also the sheer size of the city. The trafic is crazy especially during rush hour. I would also like to add that I have not been to either SP nor Rio in a year but have traveled extensively to SP before that and a few times to Rio too.

PS! To avoid confusing here is my definition of girl friend esperience (GFE) and pornstar experience (PSE):
GFE - a longer date maybe including dinner where the girl puts more of herself into your time together which most of the time ends by the girl staying the night with sex without a lot of rules of what she will not do or allow you to do.

PSE - a short date timed by the clock where her only objective is to please you sexually but she might have a few restrictions on what she will do and allow you to do.

GK

A big Hi to Genghis for venturing on the Rio board. Firstly just let me say how much I enjoyed your posts on São Paulo over the years. My 2 cents on this subject based on visiting São Paulo probably 20 times over the years and of course staying in Rio a number of years is as follows.

I think the biggest difference is the type of clubs, that is São Paulo has more boate type clubs, Barabarellas being Rio's poor equivalent. While Rio has more Termas. São Paulo also has more "Clinicas", while Rio has more "prives", this being the 1hr type deals.

The 2 cities differ enormously. São Paulo is a huge spread out city with not much for tourists to do. One could say it is an ugly city. Rio on the other hand has beautiful beaches, a stunningly dramatic backdrop of Granite peaks and lots of tourist things to do. As far as a tourist staying for a week, Rio really is the much better choice.

Variety of women. Totally agree with GK here. São Paulo has a more mixed bunch of GDP's. There are a lot more "white" skinned GDP's than your typical Rio Morena / Mulatta. If you like the "white euro" look São Paulo could be an option for you. If you like the Morena look probably best to stay in Rio.

Service. This is where I disagree with GK. Now for those of you who don't know GK's posts, he has no problem spending R$500+++ on a date. Some of the São Paulo club can be up to R$1000. Hence what GK thinks as a "normal" kind of service, ie dinner, all night Ultra GFE etc is probably not the norm. In my experience the service in São Paulo for a normal budget ie grabbing a girl from Kilt for the night, is about the same as Rio. What I rarely find in São Paulo is girls that come over after work to hang out for free. In Rio this is very very common and this is where you get the Ultra GFE, any girl that comes over for free will do anything and I do mean anything. As I said in Rio, the girls just like to party and gladly bug you to come over for free or go to some club afterwards.

Final summary: They say in Brazil São Paulo is where you go to work, Rio is where you go to have fun. For a first time visitor you would really want to start in Rio unless of course you have a business type reason to be in São Paulo. I will of course qualify my opinion, I never could really find what I was looking for in São Paulo because I like the mixed color way more than the predominant "white" look of Sampa.

Got to spend a few days in Rio a little while ago, did a little reading on sites like this for education, and dove in.

Stayed in an apartment I found on line, and understand that I saved myself a lot of hassle in getting girls up to my room. Apartment was a dive though, and I was embarrassed bringing girls there, but they did not seem to mind at all.

So I made all the beginner mistakes, and you can all shake your heads. Stayed at Copocabana, frequented the Balcony Bar mostly. (Bar on Avenue Atlantica facing the beach, non-stop parade of escorts trolling the place looking for customers). Night one, connected with a lovely Barbarella (strip joint) dancer, settled on a R$300 price, only to find out later that was for a one shot at my place. Ripped off. She did offer to go to Barbarella's with me, have some drinks, and then come back to my place, but that was going to be 5 am by the time we got back, too late for me, was expecting mega R$ for drinks, and then the unknown of more negotiations for morning. Lesson learned.

Night 2 trolled Balcony again, but found a lovely young Amazonian. Talked and drank a bit, then we took off to Lapa for some clubs and dancing, finally got back to my apartment for 2ish. Lovely sex after, and then morning too. Gave ger R$400 for the night, she seemed happy with that.

Afternoon 3 went to termas Monte Carlo. Nice collection of lovelies. Got some good intel from some other visitors and locals I talked to in the saunas. My problem is that there is only one cabine there with a shower, and frankly, seeing how busy the girls were, I just could not get my head around the tongue bath I wanted to give any one of the girls without the availability of a shower to scrub all the other guys off of them. Left without partaking, but really didn't think it was such a good deal anyway. 40 minutes for about R$250 with a girl (memory may have my numbers off by R$10 or 20).

Night 3 at Balcony's. I was getting bored of the place and same faces, and none of them were looking upscale, mostly trollers and fast deals. I was tired anyway, so made a deal with 2 cuties to do a lesbian show for me in the hourly hotel around the corner. R$85 for the hotel room (can't recall if it was good for 2 or 4 hours) , and spent a while negotiating the girls to R$400 for the 2 hour lesbo show, with full access for me if I wished. The show was good, they seemed into each other, at least they made me believe it which is their job. Problem is 2 girls, me no Portuguese and them no English, they just spend most of the time yakkin and laughin, make me feel too much like some 5th wheel, not the client. Oh well, good and bad.

I know most of you regulars will kill me about what I paid, but I really did not get the sense that I could have haggled down much more. Certainly there were senior and less attractive girls, and no doubt the mythical R$150-200 would have got them for the night, but absolutley no interest. Oh well, that was my shot at Rio, now off to some other country, where my single minded pursuit for sex will completely destroy any chance of actually having a touristy vacation!

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan;1128289]Pornstar experience or girlfriend experience.[/QUOTE]To me they are the same thing. I would want any girlfriend-or a wife, for that matter-to be a pornstar in bed.

This may explain why I don't get married.

Hi Bubba Boy.

Thanks for the kind words. I would like to add that there are very few members posting on the Brazil boards who serves as such a big inspiration as you. Your guide to Rio is unvaluable to a lot of people.

Secondly you certainly are right about the touristic aspects of the two cities. Rio must be one of the most beautiful cities in the world whereas Sampa probably must rank at the other end of the scale. Rio also has its beaches. Sampa can not compete when it comes to tourist activities although Sampa quickly is rising as one of the most interesting cities on the planet in terms of regular nightlife (restaurants, bars and nightclubs).

As for your opinions regarding service, I can see your point that my opinion about Sampa could be distorted by not sampling the less priced services as much. However the last few years I have spent more time with some Sampa locals I know who prefer the midpriced services better. At these trips there has always been a lot of girls (pros) just hanging out with us without any preasure to pay them anything unless of course I have decided to take them to bed. I think the Sampa girls are less used to non-Portuguese speaking men and are reserved towards these men because they are afraid og language problems. Their carioca sisters are much more used to tourists and because of that unafraid of language barrieres because they are used to handle that issue every day. I think that might be the reason why you have found the carioca garotas more open to just spending time with you.

Having said that your experience in these matters outgun mine by the size of John Holmes dick so I will also leave the door open for the fact that you simply might be right and I might be wrong concerning the service issue.

GK

[QUOTE=Lorenzo; 1128441]To me they are the same thing. I would want any girlfriend-or a wife, for that matter-to be a pornstar in bed.

This may explain why I don't get married. [/QUOTE]I agree. The differance is in the restrictions on what she will put of herself into your encounter in besides the sex as well as the restrictons on time and what she will do and allow you to do during sex to avoid it being too personal for her.

GK

I think the summary of our posts are that we have both found our niche to where we can get the services that we want in the respective cities. I personally have just never felt comfortable in Sampa, probably because I can't get into the "white euro" look that dominates in Sampa and the further south you get.

As far as your comments go as me being an "expert" on Rio. There probably is no such thing. I struggle from time to time like an amateur. This weekend was a real pain in the ass, It looks like I have lost my 2 best freebies on the same day. 1 was so crazy I just can't see her anymore. I had to go cold turkey on her or end up in a mental institution. The second one, who is super cool, no hassle, turns up on time to the minute, has just disappeared. In my opinion both were 9's in looks and performance. Hence I a bit depressed right now.

Hi Bubba, Hi GK.

Bubba. I have the same problem with Sampa like you. I like the bundas and the "tone" of the skin, I like the bach and the termas, I like the good restaurants all in a relative closed space. I like the sight of the "beach-girls" with their "fios-de-dentes". Their friendlyness and their joy of life.

Sampa is simply too big, to spread out, you have to drive too long distances and the traffice is a chaos. The metro in Rio made it much easier to travel nowadays (remember 10 years back?). Anyhow, I have relatives in Sampa and when I am there, I have to pass by. They love it and they think it is the best town in Brasil.. Each to his own!

I do not like to overpay and the prices in Sampa for the same services as in Rio are at least 50 % higher. That is why many girls from Rio are travelling to Sampa for work. They simply get there more money. Also the industry is around Sampa, the salaries in Sampa are almost twice as high as they are in Rio. (living-expenses are also considerably higher)

That reminds me to the old saying here in Portugal: You work in Porto and you enjoy yourself in Lisbon. The same applies to Sampa and Rio.

GK: Your reports are always interesting.

Bubba: I am looking forward to your next update. Your Rio-guide is a marvel for all the beginners and even I learn from time to time new things. Keep up the good work.

Carlos Primeros.

Deposed King of Portugal

Hey Carlos, are you still in exile? . My guide is all but done, ready to be proof read and then uploaded. As a follow up to my last post. 1 of the girls that I thought was lost has just been found. Never underestimate how bad the Brazilian cell carriers are, they just don't deliver text messages for days at a time.

I rarely post pics, this was of a cool night at VIPS with a cent girl, happy days!

[ATTACH=CONFIG]147013[/ATTACH]

Hello, Guys,

Never been to Rio, but I've heard many stories. And to say the least, I'm trying to go as soon as I can. I have a few days off from work the weekend of Good Friday, so I figured that I would take a couple of extra days and it would give me 5 days in Rio. Only problem is that I'm not sure if this is a good time to visit Rio. Has anyone ever visited Rio during this time. If so, I would like some feedback. Will the party areas and termas be really slow around this time due to the holiday?

[QUOTE=EmilioTheGreat;1128643]I figured that I would take a couple of extra days and it would give me 5 days in Rio.[/QUOTE]Is it safe to assume, you are flying in from the US of A? If so, are you aware that it requires a day of travel to and from the US? Leaving you only 3 days on the ground in Rio. You'll only be able to get a room at a hotel for that short a stay. Also the cheaper Centro termas are closed on weekends.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1124954]If you want quality sessions with GFE, BBBJ, CIM, etc focus on the mid-range termas, bars and apartments. Last time, I wasted a lot of time in BA85, U210, VM etc with nothing to show but blue balls, a stack of spitty condoms, and a high score. This time, I didn't even stop by.

Staying in Centro is more of a hassle than it is worth. The price is a little cheaper, it's close to the good spots, but it's way too much walking and way too hard to find food at night. This said after 2 times staying here. I'd rather pay +40 USD per night hotel, stay in Copa, and ride the metro to Centro like I used to do. [/QUOTE]If you want to go out at night, and in Copa, yes. Now if you are willing to f. Ck yourself silly starting at 9 am till 8pm, you are very well served downtown. Do 3 girls for 60, 3 girls for 20, total of 240. Add another 100 for tips and drinks. The price of one girl in a termas.

Have dinner at 5 or pm, or take a sandwich home for later.

[QUOTE=Devilspinkick;1125038]First I want to say that I am impressed with how little by little they are improving the infrastructure around the city. Good to see that at least some of the increased costs are going towards making things better. Love the workout stations along the beach; hope that they open up a "Muscle Beach" type of place somewhere in Copa or Ipa.[/QUOTE]There is a free muscle beach in changing places. Lost track of it right now, after it left Ipanema. A real gym, sponsored by Amil health insurance. Other then that there are some exercise areas with cheap concrete weights, the best in Arpoador, at the very end, where the rocks are, in front of "Praia do diabo".

[QUOTE=Devilspinkick; 1125038]I don't waste my time with the low-end termas / bordellos. I'm rather picky and have enough trouble finding the type of woman that I like (skinny with a nice little butt) at the mid-range Termas. The only Termas I really consider high-range is Centaurus and they annoy me too much, plus the quality of gals aren't any better than at the mid-range places. As an aside I will admit that I've had good times there in the past but the last time I visited the place was perhaps two years ago. Anyway.

I also happened to pass by Lovely Rio massage and check out the talent. Only a couple of women there at 8PM on a Saturday night. But they were both attractive? How did this happen? One was a pretty and slim morena. The other was a blonde girl who was wearing a white gown (so I couldn't fully appreciate her figure but she appeared to at least not be fat). Didn't pull the trigger at that time but I was sorely tempted.

- DSK[/QUOTE]What is lovely Rio Massage?

You call Monte Carlo mid price? For me R$ 60-90 massage place downtown is mid-price. Up to R$ 35 is low price. I am talking about the cheapest shortest program which might be fairly short.

Too bad you left, I would challenge you to find your dream girl for R$ 25. If you know where to go and how to search, you find amazing quality. Met plenty of girls for R$ 25 that the week later got instant job offers at L'Uomo and R$ 400 per hour programs from private Brazilian clients through a introduction service.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1126554]I don't think you would need anyone's permission to post a link to someones facebook account. Once you have a facebook account you must assume your details are available to pretty much available to anyone.[/QUOTE]Most don't like their facebook account to be linked to WHORING. It is private. Unless she is totally out of the closet, a real public professional working girl.

You probably would not like getting messages from prostitutes all over the world delivered to your facebook account.

[QUOTE=Escort Addict; 1128434]Afternoon 3 went to termas Monte Carlo. Nice collection of lovelies. Got some good intel from some other visitors and locals I talked to in the saunas. My problem is that there is only one cabine there with a shower, and frankly, seeing how busy the girls were, I just could not get my head around the tongue bath I wanted to give any one of the girls without the availability of a shower to scrub all the other guys off of them. Left without partaking, but really didn't think it was such a good deal anyway. 40 minutes for about R$250 with a girl (memory may have my numbers off by R$10 or 20).

! [/QUOTE]Termas is a bath house. You missed the entire floor of showers and saunas. The girls have their own showers, too.

So sure it is nice to have a shower in the room, but everyone can and is supposed to get their showers.

Interestingly, there are lots of cheap places with showers in the room. 22 in Copacabana, some places downtown and in Tijuca for under R$ 80, .

[QUOTE=Java Man;1128654]Is it safe to assume, you are flying in from the US of A? If so, are you aware that it requires a day of travel to and from the US? Leaving you only 3 days on the ground in Rio. You'll only be able to get a room at a hotel for that short a stay. Also the cheaper Centro termas are closed on weekends.[/QUOTE]Thanks Java Man. I will be leaving from the US on Tuesday night and arrriving in Rio on Wednesday morning around 10am. I will be leaving Rio on Sunday night around 10pm and arriving back to the US Monday morning. I assume that I could visit the termas in the Centro district on Wednesday and Thursday, not sure about Friday since it will be a holiday (Good Friday). If the termas are closed that day, I was hoping that Copa would be lively during the weekend. I've heard a lot about Balcony Bar. Since I'm a newbie I was hoping that someone could giv me a little advice on whether or not Copa would be good to visit during the Good Friday holiday. I would hate to come all the way to Rio and not get to experience any of the great action that I have been hearing about.

[QUOTE=EmilioTheGreat;1128771]Thanks Java Man. I will be leaving from the US on Tuesday night and arrriving in Rio on Wednesday morning around 10am. I will be leaving Rio on Sunday night around 10pm and arriving back to the US Monday morning. I assume that I could visit the termas in the Centro district on Wednesday and Thursday, not sure about Friday since it will be a holiday (Good Friday). If the termas are closed that day, I was hoping that Copa would be lively during the weekend. I've heard a lot about Balcony Bar. Since I'm a newbie I was hoping that someone could giv me a little advice on whether or not Copa would be good to visit during the Good Friday holiday. I would hate to come all the way to Rio and not get to experience any of the great action that I have been hearing about.[/QUOTE]Read this before you go, it will give you good start.

[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2191-Bubba-Boy-s-Rio-Guide&p=1092906[/url]#post1092906

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1128581]Hey Carlos, are you still in exile? . My guide is all but done, ready to be proof read and then uploaded. As a follow up to my last post. 1 of the girls that I thought was lost has just been found. Never underestimate how bad the Brazilian cell carriers are, they just don't deliver text messages for days at a time.

I rarely post pics, this was of a cool night at VIPS with a cent girl, happy days!

[ATTACH=CONFIG]147013[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]Give me the draft and I will proof it this weekend.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist; 1128663]You call Monte Carlo mid price? For me R$ 60-90 massage place downtown is mid-price. Up to R$ 35 is low price. I am talking about the cheapest shortest program which might be fairly short.[/QUOTE]I agree with Brazil Specialist, mid-price for me is R$ 100 massage offices in downtown. There are some good places with this price.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman;1129003]Give me the draft and I will proof it this weekend.[/QUOTE]I will finish it next week and you can have it on the weekend. This week is carnaval. No work gets done on carnaval week.

I am heading to Rio during the period March 28 to April 8. It would be fun if some of the regulars here were around to show why Rio beats SP and give me some insiders tips on how to enjoy this city best.

GK

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1129207]I am heading to Rio during the period March 28 to April 8. It would be fun if some of the regulars here were around to show why Rio beats SP and give me some insiders tips on how to enjoy this city best.

GK[/QUOTE]Check your PM senor!

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1129228]Check your PM senor![/QUOTE]You too have a PM Mentor.

GK

BTW, a question for the non-Brazilians working in Rio. How do you as a non-residential open an account in a Brazilian Bank?

GK

Hi GK,

You need a tax-number to open a bank-account. To get a tax-number you must have some kind of proof of residency. Without this. No tax-number. With no tax-number no bank-account.

CP

[QUOTE=Carlos Primeros;1129298]You need a tax-number to open a bank-account. To get a tax-number you must have some kind of proof of residency. Without this. No tax-number. With no tax-number no bank-account.[/QUOTE]Actually you don't need proof of residency to get a tax number. I had a tax number and no residency and could not open an account because I did not have the proper visa. I had a tourist visa. Banco do Brasil recommended that I go to the branches in Miami or New York if I wanted to bank with them. For people with a residency visa or work visa it should not be a problem.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1129335]Actually you don't need proof of residency to get a tax number. I had a tax number and no residency and could not open an account because I did not have the proper visa. I had a tourist visa. Banco do Brasil recommended that I go to the branches in Miami or New York if I wanted to bank with them. For people with a residency visa or work visa it should not be a problem.[/QUOTE]You need a permanent visa (visto de permanência) and a Registro Nacional de Estrangeiros (RNE)

[QUOTE=Poucolouco;1129336]You need a permanent visa (visto de permanência) and a Registro Nacional de Estrangeiros (RNE)[/QUOTE]This is correct. And it is fucking hard to get. And even when you get it, the banks will fuck it up. Me and my partner applied with the same permanent visas and same RNEs (which, by the way, are issued on a temporary basis at first for up to 180+ days). The bank, HSBC, approved his account and denied mine. Because different muppets looked at our applications. I had to point this out to them and they finally agreed. Note HSBC was the 4th bank we tried. Banco do Brasil refused to do anything, Itau punted, and Santander hemmed and hawed. Despite banking our company. Finally HSBC came through and then. 2 weeks later, Santander. It took me nearly 2 months after getting my permanent visa and my (temporary) RNE.

So enjoy the path!

[QUOTE=Carlos Primeros; 1129298]Hi GK,

You need a tax-number to open a bank-account. To get a tax-number you must have some kind of proof of residency. Without this. No tax-number. With no tax-number no bank-account.

CP[/QUOTE]Wrong. CPFs are relatively easy to get even if it takes time and BS process. As Pocolocou says you need a permanent visa and an RNE for a bank account.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman;1129346]Wrong. CPFs are relatively easy to get even if it takes time and BS process. As Pocolocou says you need a permanent visa and an RNE for a bank account.[/QUOTE]I have a CPF. But why would one want to have a Brazilian bank account, when those of us who know Brazil know that their method of doing business is less to be desired. Lastly, when I asked Brazilians about opening a Brazilian account they laughed and said that Brazilian banks are less than 5th rate to gringo banks.

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca;1129413]I have a CPF. But why would one want to have a Brazilian bank account, when those of us who know Brazil know that their method of doing business is less to be desired. Lastly, when I asked Brazilians about opening a Brazilian account they laughed and said that Brazilian banks are less than 5th rate to gringo banks.[/QUOTE]The reason would be that at least when I travel to SP most girls require cash payment and my budget usually is higher than I consider comfortable bringing as cash. Additionally the limit pr day at the ATMs are too low.

If I could wire money from home to my brazilian account before I leave home, I could withdraw cash from the cashiers counter instead and avoid the ATM limit.

GK

[quote=genghis khan; 1129563]the reason would be that at least when i travel to sp most girls require cash payment and my budget usually is higher than i consider comfortable bringing as cash. additionally the limit pr day at the atms are too low.

if i could wire money from home to my brazilian account before i leave home, i could withdraw cash from the cashiers counter instead and avoid the atm limit.

gk[/quote]a brazilian account is a major pain in the ass with high fees etc. if you wire money from your home account the central bank takes about 5% fee off the fx rate. everything just costs money when dealing with the inefficient brazilian economy.

the best way to use a large amount of cash each day is to bring your limit in in cash, which is r$10, 000. then bring as many atm cards as you require. my citibank card allows 2 x r$1000 withdrawals per day at the citibank atm's. my hsbc card also allows this but strangely only at the citibank atm, hence i can get r$4000 per day. if i required more than that i would just get another card. most people will need to call their bank to up their limit that they can withdraw per day ie, standard amount with citibank was r$1000, after i called them they upped the limit to r$2000, but it must be in 2 separate tranrep001ions.

Hi I am a photographer working for US porn and erotic magazines. Arrived in Rio a few days ago (comming weeks I will be in Sampa) and would need help casting girls in termas for photoshootings, as my Portugues is practically non-existent. I Once have been helped by a Brasilian guy for this couple of years ago, but he is not available right now. Also maybe people here have tips were I can find more english speaking girls. Thank you so much!

Thanks for the tip Bubba Boy.

I think there is no real limit to the amount of cash you can bring to Brazil as long as you declare it on entry to the country.

This is at least the information I found on the official customs pages on the internet.

Have I misunderstood something?

GK

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1129582]Thanks for the tip Bubba Boy.

I think there is no real limit to the amount of cash you can bring to Brazil as long as you declare it on entry to the country.

This is at least the information I found on the official customs pages on the internet.

Have I misunderstood something?

GK[/QUOTE]Yes that is correct, you can bring in any amount as long as you declare it. I have always felt uneasy doing this at the airport. Federal Policy are very corrupt and any declarable amount would be worth it for them to organise a nice quick robbery on the trip into Copacabana. Hence I wouldn't do it.

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1129582]Thanks for the tip Bubba Boy.

I think there is no real limit to the amount of cash you can bring to Brazil as long as you declare it on entry to the country.

This is at least the information I found on the official customs pages on the internet.

Have I misunderstood something?

GK[/QUOTE]You can carry any amount as long as you declare excess of R$ 10, 000 on your baggage declaration form. As you go through customs they usually take you to a private room to examine and count your holdings (checks, currency, travellers checks) They will question you about the purpose of bringing the money to Brasil. After this procedure, it is a good idea to take a radio-dispatched taxi to your destination, (e. G. Cootramo) and watch your backside.

Wire transfers cost $60 from US to Brasi at HSBC regardless of the amount being transferred. HSBC uses the daily Tourismo cambio rate at the time you make your withdrawal.

[url]http://economia.uol.com.br/cotacoes/[/url]

You might also inquire at HSBC in your home country about opening a Premier Account which would allow higher cash withdrawls in foreign countries without a foreign bank account.

Note* Excuse me as I had posted this in the Sao Paulo thread by mistake.

Rio Trip Day 1 and 2

I was just in Rio. The exchange rate is as follows: 1 USD = 1. 65 R at the Termas; 1. 6 at the cab stand at the airport; and 1. 55 at the exchange booths plus a fee at the Airport. My cc gave me a slightly better rate but I had to pay a 12USD fee. Probably the best option is to exchange your money at the termas.

I had grand plans when I arrived. The first night I decided I was going to visit Monte Carlo because I had been reading some good reports on ISG. The deal at MC is there is 70R entry fee. 70 R cabine rental fee and 150R for 40 minutes with a girl. Prior to my visit the locals on the beach and a cabbie were talking about how bad the talent is at MC and that Centaurus was so much better etc. I made my mind up I was going there any way. Later that night I entered MC in nervous about what I would find. I was hoping the cabbie the cabana boys were wrong about the talent. In short, they were wrong. The place was hopping with plenty of fuckable garotas.

Monte Carlo.

During my scouting trip that morning I almost missed the place. I was walking up and down the street. There is no sign that says Monte Carlo. There is just a door with a 19 over it? Nothing like advertising eh. I saw a girl open the door and I said "Monte Carlo?" She said "Yes but come back at 3PM" she was the manager and very nice. Note* Enclosed is the address: Rua HiláRio de Gouvêa. 19 Copacabana. Rio de Janeiro Tel: 2255-4489.

I returned at 6PM. I enter the Termas and see several beautiful garotas. I know what I like (spinners). Right before me was a menina loura bonita. My radar locked onto her and I went over to say Hello, after only 3 minutes in the bar. We hit it off and we spent a good hour DFK and fondling each other in the corner of the bar. On my third beer she suggests the cabine. I raced her up the stairs. She took my key and left me standing there while she went to shower, charge my account for the cabine and her, and change into some lingerie. 10 minutes later my little blond Brazillian equivalent of a spinner, comes back in some sexy lace outfit and leads me to the cabine. We simply had great sex for 40 minutes. I was on my second SOG when the buzzer went off. She gave me a few minutes extra but the 2nd SOG wasn't meant to be (no buzzer beater for me). BBBJ, DFK, MPOS. 69. Everything I wanted was on her menu. We went back down stairs and she sat with me and we made out for another 30 minutes. I told her I was going to drink a few more beers and then have a massage. I planned to shower and go back to the hotel. She spoke mostly through a series of interpreters. She said she would meet me at my hotel after she got off at midnight. I said "cool" and I let her get back to work. I had my massage but I didn't want to leave. The talent was too strong at MC I wanted to sit around and listen to the music and drink beer and watch the girls dance. Then a curious thing happened. Several of the hookers made passes at me and were hanging on me. My blond spinner walked over and claimed me. She announced to the girls "I'm keeping him for myself" which was about the extent of her English. We sat together the rest of the night and we made out.

At 11:30 she asked me to go to my hotel and wait for her there. She explained that her bosses do not let her date customers so we cannot can not meet out front. So I waited for her to arrive by cab at the hotel entrance. She shows up at midnight. I pay her cab fare of 10R. We split a small pizza and have a drink and then I try to sneak her into my upscale hotel. I walk in with her laughing like I own the place and walk right by the management. They stop us and make her register. I found out later here was no extra charge by the hotel for a guest. For 300+USD a night there better not be!

Anyway I took this girl up to the room and we fucked for hours. H-O-U-R-S. She fucked me to death! We spent hours communicating through bablefish prior to sleeping. At 7AM we both up. She explained the night before that she has her bambinos today. She is taking them to the beach today. I walked her to the cab stand. We exchanged numbers and email in the room. I tell her I will see her Monday at the Termas. We both say I love you and she hops in the cab. All she asked for was cab fare and I gave her 70Rs. So for the entire night she was 80R + a small pizza margarita.

Now the bad news. She fucked my sun burnt body to death! I could not fuck the next day. I pathetically "limp-dicked" it over to Balconi and had to sit there and pass up some of the best talent in Rio. Most of the girls at the Balconi did look like they belonged in the bar from Star Wars but every 20 minutes some hot SPs would show up. A beautiful Amazonian brunet that looked like a movie star and then an hour after that there was a young SP named Nichelle. She was a beautiful 18 year old mulato that looked like she was not a minute over 18. She was wearing the sexiest red painted on Tarzan style mini with heels smoking her cigarette like a sex queen. (Man why has someone not scouped this girl up yet? I was thinking) How sexy! I talked to her and she wanted 350R but was down to 250R before I decided my broke-dick self was too sore to fuck her from the work out from the previous night. Also, how can I get a girl dressed like this past security at my respectable hotel? She looked like she was barley 18. In my hotel there are families waiting for cabs to take them out to dinner etc. They are good decent folk and not mongers like us. I decide have to take the night off.

I had a few more beers with fellow mongers, until the rain cleared and it was off to the hotel. I left the next day. Man do I love Rio!

Can you fall in love with your Rio SP?

[quote=bubba boy; 1129569]a brazilian account is a major pain in the ass with high fees etc. if you wire money from your home account the central bank takes about 5% fee off the fx rate. everything just costs money when dealing with the inefficient brazilian economy.

the best way to use a large amount of cash each day is to bring your limit in in cash, which is r$10, 000. then bring as many atm cards as you require. my citibank card allows 2 x r$1000 withdrawals per day at the citibank atm's. my hsbc card also allows this but strangely only at the citibank atm, hence i can get r$4000 per day. if i required more than that i would just get another card. most people will need to call their bank to up their limit that they can withdraw per day ie, standard amount with citibank was r$1000, after i called them they upped the limit to r$2000, but it must be in 2 separate tranrep001ions. [/quote]i do the same as bubba boy. but i also make photo copies of all the cards i bring and record the dates, time and place i use them. keep receipts when possible, in case some waiter has their own card reader. with rio being an international city, european and south american credit card thieves are looking for fraud opportunities.

[QUOTE=Poucolouco; 1129632]Wire transfers cost $60 from US to Brasi at HSBC regardless of the amount being transferred. HSBC uses the daily Tourismo cambio rate at the time you make your withdrawal.

[url]http://economia.uol.com.br/cotacoes/[/url]

You might also inquire at HSBC in your home country about opening a Premier Account which would allow higher cash withdrawls in foreign countries without a foreign bank account. [/QUOTE]Wire transfers cost $30 from US to Brasi at HSBC regardless of the amount being transferred.

Can you fall in love with your termas girl?

Does anyone know of a fellow monger that hit it off with their Termas girl and had a long term relationshp that worked?

Is this at all possible? Or is this a pipe dream? What are your experiences?

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101; 1129753]Can you fall in love with your termas girl?

Does anyone know of a fellow monger that hit it off with their Termas girl and had a long term relationshp that worked?

Is this at all possible? Or is this a pipe dream? What are your experiences? [/QUOTE]My vast sample of 2 says this always ends in separation, divorce, and the monger paying far more than he would have otherwise.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman;1129758]My vast sample of 2 says this always ends in separation, divorce, and the monger paying far more than he would have otherwise.[/QUOTE]Small sample size but probably correct. Probably best just to rent one.

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca;1129413]I have a CPF. But why would one want to have a Brazilian bank account, when those of us who know Brazil know that their method of doing business is less to be desired. Lastly, when I asked Brazilians about opening a Brazilian account they laughed and said that Brazilian banks are less than 5th rate to gringo banks.[/QUOTE]Because your Brazilian company is paying you in R$ and you want to keep it in a bank instead of in a suitacase where the street working girl from Balcony could steal it?

Because your Brazilian company is paying you in R$ and it's a shit ton of R$ that you don't want to take to a cambio every month and risk packing more than USD$10K in your suitcase to take back to the USA each month to deposit in your US account, if you could actually find the time to fly back to the USA each month?

I'm just sayin. Some of us live here and work here and need local accounts.

GK, you need to clear out some space in your PM, maybe delete the older PM's. I got the following message.

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Eric Cartman. I think the limit into and out of Brazil is R$10, 000 and not US$10, 000. Pretty sure on this, but hey I have been wrong before!

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1129849]GK, you need to clear out some space in your PM, maybe delete the older PM's. I got the following message.

The following errors occurred with your submission.

* Genghis Khan has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.

Eric Cartman. I think the limit into and out of Brazil is R$10, 000 and not US$10, 000. Pretty sure on this, but hey I have been wrong before! [/QUOTE]Sorry, wrong again. .

[url]http://www.receita.fazenda.gov.br/principal/ingles/faq.htm[/url]

10. Goods to be declared.

The traveler should direct himself to the places indicated as "Goods to Declare" when bringing:

Cash, traveler's checks when totaling more than ten thousand Reais or the equivalent in another foreign currency, in order to fill out the appropriated form. There is no limit and no customs duty to the amount of cash to be brought to Brazil as long it is declared to Customs upon arrival;

[QUOTE=Poucolouco; 1129892]Sorry, wrong again. .

[url]http://www.receita.fazenda.gov.br/principal/ingles/faq.htm[/url]

10. Goods to be declared.

The traveler should direct himself to the places indicated as "Goods to Declare" when bringing:

Cash, traveler's checks when totaling more than ten thousand Reais or the equivalent in another foreign currency, in order to fill out the appropriated form. There is no limit and no customs duty to the amount of cash to be brought to Brazil as long it is declared to Customs upon arrival; [/QUOTE]I meant to say the limit without declaring it is R$10, 000.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1129904]I meant to say the limit without declaring it is R$10, 000.[/QUOTE]Pretty obvious to most people and it is right on the form. Must be a slow day at the senior center.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1129904]I meant to say the limit without declaring it is R$10, 000.[/QUOTE]With ATM's, this hardly is an issue anymore except in rare (or special) circumstances, most of which would involve flying under the radar where the last thing you'd want to do is start making declarations.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent;1129916]Pretty obvious to most people and it is right on the form. Must be a slow day at the senior center.[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xengzl_cee-lo-green-fuck-you_music[/url]

That is funny. I use my Brazilian bank accounts for LOW payments. If I need R$ 100 of cash.

Because the foreign banks charge too high a fee, I always take out R$ 1000 at a time.

If you have 3 bank cards with US$ 1000 limit a day, that gives you an easy 3 times R$ 1000 per day, and if that is not enough you take out another R$ 600 per card until you reach US$ 1000 on each card. That is not enough?

Banco do Brasil allows you R$ 1000 per withdrawal. They don't allow you a second withdrawal with the same card, so you go to Bradesco, or Banco 24 hours, Citibank or HSBC. Bradesco allows only R$ 800.

I try to ALWAYs take money only out of Banco do Brasil (o nly the ATMs with the Visa / Master Card sticker). Banco do Brasil has 24 hour security guards, this is why cloing there is very rare. HSBC seems to get a lot of cloning.

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1129563]The reason would be that at least when I travel to SP most girls require cash payment and my budget usually is higher than I consider comfortable bringing as cash. Additionally the limit pr day at the ATMs are too low.

If I could wire money from home to my brazilian account before I leave home, I could withdraw cash from the cashiers counter instead and avoid the ATM limit.

GK[/QUOTE]Oh, and I fill my Brazilian bank account with ATM withdrawals. Ideally you have an account at the bank where you do the withdrawal so you don't have to haul money anywhere, just pull it out of the ATM, put it in an envelope, and deposit it in the same ATM.

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101; 1129743]Note* Excuse me as I had posted this in the Sao Paulo thread by mistake.

Can you fall in love with your Rio SP?[/QUOTE]In Rio you have the chance to meet Girls with real endearing personality. Moreover if you are travelling to Rio, you are yourself in the best state of mind : relaxed, in a very enjoyable atmosphere. You find many things ideal, better than your daily round : climate, sea and maybe girls.

And what is really surprising with some Rio girls is their generosity. In termas or elsewhere, you can meet nice girls, who are not trying to protect themselves at any cost. I have been surprised that some are really open and ready to share emotions with you even if it is for a limited time, in a termas for instance. If there is a good fit, she will make the time spent with you enjoyable for both. And then there can be a seduction game. And you may fall in love.

But you need to remember the context and that many of these girls may wait something from a relationship with you : to get out for a moment of their daily condition or better to have the chance to stop their job.

Your feelings in a daily relationship can be very different from the ones you had in a particular context.

However that's for this, that I found Rio unique.

Rule # 1- Don't ever fall in love with a GP.

Rule # 2- Don't ever forget rule # 1.

Rule # 3- If you ever forget rule #1 or #2, then make sure to have a friend sucker punch you in the balls.

P. S. Remember its a job for them, and its a fantasy made reality for the clients. Perspective gentlemen! Enjoy life and don't complicate things more than they have to be!

Sounds a little like fight club. She works as a waitress during th Rio winter in Italy. Maybe I will go over there and see her? Maybe in the different setting I can get a better sense?

I believe you are right. We are writing each other and maybe nothing will come of it except that when I go to MC in Rio I will have to take her for the night. Believe me this is not a bad thing.

Mangera, Totos, and EC. Thanks for your consideration of the question I put forth. Has it ever worked? I can dream can't I?

[QUOTE=Mangera; 1130244]Rule # 1- Don't ever fall in love with a GP.

Rule # 2- Don't ever forget rule # 1.

Rule # 3- If you ever forget rule #1 or #2, then make sure to have a friend sucker punch you in the balls.

P. S. Remember its a job for them, and its a fantasy made reality for the clients. Perspective gentlemen! Enjoy life and don't complicate things more than they have to be! [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101; 1130306]Sounds a little like fight club. She works as a waitress during th Rio winter in Italy. Maybe I will go over there and see her? Maybe in the different setting I can get a better sense?

I believe you are right. We are writing each other and maybe nothing will come of it except that when I go to MC in Rio I will have to take her for the night. Believe me this is not a bad thing.

Mangera, Totos, and EC. Thanks for your consideration of the question I put forth. Has it ever worked? I can dream can't I? [/QUOTE]To be the bearer of bad news. Waitress in Italy translates into GDP in Italy and Switzerland. Some of the girls also do strip shows.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent;1130327]To be the bearer of bad news. Waitress in Italy translates into GDP in Italy and Switzerland. Some of the girls also do strip shows.[/QUOTE]But the italians tell me tha they have to go to Germany or Spain for the FKK like approach. I see street walkers there but no Termas / clinicas / privies approach. Are you sure?

Also, a fellow monger from Switz (maybe he was a Swede) said it was illegal.

Again, you are all probably correct, I am just trying to sort this out. Puntas fuck your head up a little bit ya know. She seems like such a good person in such an unfortunate situation. Sometimes you think you can help. Like a white knight and be her hero. It would feel good for both. Man it was nice having her there for the night, dinner, coffee, emails etc.

When it is too good to be true it probably is.

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101; 1130336]But the italians tell me tha they have to go to Germany or Spain for the FKK like approach. I see street walkers there but no Termas / clinicas / privies approach. Are you sure?

Also, a fellow monger from Switz (maybe he was a Swede) said it was illegal.

Again, you are all probably correct, I am just trying to sort this out. Puntas fuck your head up a little bit ya know. She seems like such a good person in such an unfortunate situation. Sometimes you think you can help. Like a white knight and be her hero. It would feel good for both. Man it was nice having her there for the night, dinner, coffee, emails etc.

When it is too good to be true it probably is. [/QUOTE]I can vouch for that; they go to Italy, Spain and even the south of France. I have aquaintances in all three places who work as "waitresses." Even with the high cost of living in Europe they make more money there and are able to support their families back in Brasil. You are correct that they are good persons. Their lifestyle may not be conventional but it has been around for hundreds of years.

[QUOTE=Poucolouco;1130421]I can vouch for that; they go to Italy, Spain and even the south of France. I have aquaintances in all three places who work as "waitresses." Even with the high cost of living in Europe they make more money there and are able to support their families back in Brasil. You are correct that they are good persons. Their lifestyle may not be conventional but it has been around for hundreds of years.[/QUOTE]I just got a PM from an italion who confirmed that the Italians have to go to FKKs. He said there are street walkers but you will get a 500 Euro fine just for pulling over and talking with them.

I know there are street walkers there from personal experience. I am just wondering what my Rio mulher would be doing in Italy if she could work in an FKK in Germany or work in Spain's version of an FKK? Maybe she works for an outcall service in Milano? Maybe she does wait tables? Maybe she does a little of both?

Yes she is a good person and I believe she would like a one way ticket out but could she ever make a suitable wife while she has the looks and ability to get what she wants with her pussy? Could I ever make a faithfull BF or husband if I still like to chase girls half my age. The slutier the better?

The answer is nested in the Sao Paulo thread.

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Pay cash each time, it is way much cheaper!

[QUOTE=Totos; 1130016]you need to remember the context and that many of these girls may want something from a relationship with you : to get out for a moment of their daily condition or better to have the chance to stop their job.[/QUOTE]Projecting?

You need to remember the context that it is YOU who's getting out for a moment from your daily condition.

The something she wants is recompense for selling her time.

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101; 1130336]Again, you are all probably correct, I am just trying to sort this out. Puntas fuck your head up a little bit ya know. She seems like such a good person in such an unfortunate situation. Sometimes you think you can help. Like a white knight and be her hero. It would feel good for both. Man it was nice having her there for the night, dinner, coffee, emails etc.

When it is too good to be true it probably is. [/QUOTE]There should be a name for this syndrome. Pre-Suadades Syndrome (PSS) or something. I bet 70% of guys get hit with this on the first trip to BR unless they've mongered extensively elsewhere, so just let it roll off your back. Like Mangera said, none of this stuff is real life.

I've yet to meet a puta anywhere in the world who needed a knight to save her from her situation. They live this lifestyle because they want spending money, owe someone money, and / or are just slutty and get a psychological kick from selling it. Putas and mongers take the path of least resistance. Putas could get money elsewhere, from a legit job or by taking a sugardaddy, but it would be more commitment and less money. Mongers could get free sex elsewhere, but it would take more time and the quality or number of girls may be reduced.

There are hundreds, possibly thousands, of Brazilian GDPs working in Italy. They usually work out of private apartments, often with several girls sharing an apartment, and advertise themselves on online forums. The Brazilians tend to gravitate toward northern Italy, Bergamo (especially) and Milano. Here's a link to one of the leading escort forums in Italy; maybe you'll see someone you know: [url]http://www.escortforum.net/[/url]

[QUOTE=Golfinho; 1130508]Projecting?

You need to remember the context that it is YOU who's getting out for a moment from your daily condition.

The something she wants is recompense for selling her time. [/QUOTE]We were talking about special experience with GDP. Hungrystud101 shared an experience he had with a girl he did not pay for the night she spent with him. So in that case, money was not at stake. And many others in this forum had the same experience.

I was mentionning that if the girl does not make you pay, she may have some others expectations.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; ]There should be a name for this syndrome. Pre-Suadades Syndrome (PSS) or something. I bet 70% of guys get hit with this on the first trip to BR unless they've mongered extensively elsewhere, so just let it roll off your back. Like Mangera said, none of this stuff is real life.

I've yet to meet a puta anywhere in the world who needed a knight to save her from her situation. They live this lifestyle because they want spending money, owe someone money, and / or are just slutty and get a psychological kick from selling it. Putas and mongers take the path of least resistance. Putas could get money elsewhere, from a legit job or by taking a sugardaddy, but it would be more commitment and less money. Mongers could get free sex elsewhere, but it would take more time and the quality or number of girls may be reduced.[/QUOTE]I don't think that is a matter of experience. If you are looking to share some time with pros, outside termas, prives, you can meet one you will particlularly appreciate. And then there may be a seduction game.

But I fully agree with Mangera, you have not to fall in love. The relationship with a GPD has no chance to succeed.

If you can share special moments, keeping control of the situation, that's the good option.

[QUOTE=Mangera; 1130244]Rule # 1- Don't ever fall in love with a GP.

Rule # 2- Don't ever forget rule # 1.

Rule # 3- If you ever forget rule #1 or #2, then make sure to have a friend sucker punch you in the balls.

P. S. Remember its a job for them, and its a fantasy made reality for the clients. Perspective gentlemen! Enjoy life and don't complicate things more than they have to be![/QUOTE]Amen. Although Bruna Surfistinha is the current hit at the cinema. The gdp's aren't in the game to find their knight on a white horse. Just money. Don't screw it up by thinking / believing it's anything more than that.

[QUOTE=Lorenzo; 1130535]There are hundreds, possibly thousands, of Brazilian GDPs working in Italy. They usually work out of private apartments, often with several girls sharing an apartment, and advertise themselves on online forums. The Brazilians tend to gravitate toward northern Italy, Bergamo (especially) and Milano. Here's a link to one of the leading escort forums in Italy; maybe you'll see someone you know:

[url]http://www.escortforum.net/[/url][/QUOTE]Isn't that why the Premier of Italy is in so much hot water now because he messed with a Brazilian GDP at his house and got busted?

[QUOTE=Totos;1130706]We were talking about special experience with GDP. .[/QUOTE]Everyone's having these 'special experiences. ' Special only in the sense they're outside the realm of one's previous (or 'normal') experience with women back wherever is home.

Try Paulo Coelho's. 11 Minutos. It combines most of the themes in the last few posts here and LOL some of it is set in Geneva.

[QUOTE=Bootytapper;1130806]Isn't that why the Premier of Italy is in so much hot water now because he messed with a Brazilian GDP at his house and got busted?[/QUOTE]She is Moroccan.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon;1130817]She is Moroccan.[/QUOTE]She is 17 years' old.

[quote=bootytapper;1130806]isn't that why the premier of italy is in so much hot water now because he messed with a brazilian gdp at his house and got busted?[/quote]she is moroccan, but the real problem is that she was **** at the time he had sex with her.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1130816]Everyone's having these 'special experiences. ' Special only in the sense they're outside the realm of one's previous (or 'normal') experience with women back wherever is home.[/QUOTE]I'd say it's special and can't be compared with back wherever is home, simply because this girl is used to equating sex with money and she's giving it for free to him. She could be selling that same time for R400 down at Balcony after the termas close time, but she gave it to him for a few slices of pizza. Girls back wherever is home are different, at least in my country, most girls don't have a sense of what their time and sex is worth, or where to sell it if they wanted to. They give it for free. GDPs know exactly what that time is worth. :) Sex for free anytime between 10 am and 5 am is a missed opportunity for cash, there is always someone to sell it to during those times.

I'm just wondering what time the guys typically set up the freebie TLN at termas in Copa, like how long before closing time. Last call, 2 hours before, when is the best time? I've had a TLN offer at Bar 22 nice and early, 9pm, but of course the girls, hours and situation at 22 are totally different than the termas.

I did about 50 Brasileiras ST over 4 trips before I finally let down my guard enough to take a GDP to my hotel room for TLN last month, due to paranoia about having my stuff stolen while I sleep. The sleepover part is nothing special, I already have that at home. Neither is the sex. I've typically had 2 or 3 girls by 7 pm, am well quenched, and anything in the night is just for fun. It might sound weird, but for me it's more about a) a possibility of having someone to hang out with the next day (I travel solo) and b) a potential for repeats at little or no cost and c) development and practice of my Porto while hanging out together. Once you've been to Rio enough times, the city can be extremely boring and even a little depressing if you are just running solo with nothing to do but banging, sleeping, eating, repeat for 5 or 6 days with no one to hang out with. Especially (stress [i]especially[/i]) on Sunday, when the city goes practically dead for mongering. Next time, I'll be (a little) more more trusting of the girls not to steal my stuff and try more takeout.

Termas girl TLN is sounding pretty good for my next visit, so I'd like more info about the best time to arrange it.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1131285]I'm just wondering what time the guys typically set up the freebie TLN, like how long before closing time.

I did about 50 Brasileiras ST before I finally let down my guard enough to take one to my hotel room for TLN last month, due to paranoia about having my stuff stolen while I sleep. The sleepover part is nothing special, I already have that at home. It's more about a) a possibility of having someone to hang out with the next day (I travel solo) and be) a potential for repeats at little or no cost and see) development and practice of my Porto while hanging out together. Believe it or not, after several times there Rio can be extremely boring if you are just running solo doing nothing but banging, sleeping, eating, repeat for 5 or 6 days with no one to hang out with! Next time, I'll be (a little) more more trusting of the girls not to steal my stuff and try more takeout.

Termas girl TLN is sounding pretty good so I'd like more info about the best time to arrange takeout. [/QUOTE]Here are the options for most of the girls. They can take a taxi, with a few other girls, for an hour to a crappy house in the north zone. They also can take a series of buses for two hours, they can stay in a crappy apartment in Copa with three other girl or they can stay in a comfortable apartment or hotel with you and maybe hook a regular customer.

My personal thoughts are that it has little to do with what time you approach them but more to do with them feeling comfortable with you. Are you a guy who goes to the termas and only hangs out with them or are you a guy who goes for all the girls? You will have a better chance if she feels you are really into her. However, never underestimate her other options for where she is going to sleep. They are an important factor. Also important is your reputation in the termas (as well as others. GDP. NET is alive and well) , your reputation as a lover and the quality of your accommodations.

One thing to keep in mind is you are not the only player in the game. Other guys also are trying to get her to spend the night and they may be paying.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent;1131291]My personal thoughts are that it has little to do with what time you approach them but more to do with them feeling comfortable with you. Are you a guy who goes to the termas and only hangs out with them or are you a guy who goes for all the girls? You will have a better chance if she feels you are really into her. However, never underestimate her other options for where she is going to sleep. They are an important factor. Also important is your reputation in the termas (as well as others. GDP. NET is alive and well) , your reputation as a lover and the quality of your accommodations.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the insight. Development of a reputation in a termas is most likely a big investment since it requires multiple visits. Having met you and your (quite impressive!; termas body, lady-like charm, seemingly libertine) non-pro gf, I know that are knowledgeable about the greater scene outside P4P and can advise us on other options. If you didn't have her, and if you spoke only intermediate Porto like Pimsleur III, then what would be your strategy for finding freebies? Go to termas often and develop a reputation, go to Lapa and hunt Rio Scenarium, Carioca da Gema and those places, or? I notice that most younger women in Lapa are already with a guy when they arrive and that the singles are mostly cougars. but have thought of searching there for something easy, unaccompanied and not-cougar, if such Lapa-goers exist. What are your thoughts on courting GDPs at termas for freebies versus the option of hunting Lapa for it, on a weeknight?

[QUOTE=Exec Talent; 1131291]Here are the options for most of the girls. They can take a taxi, with a few other girls, for an hour to a crappy house in the north zone. They also can take a series of buses for two hours, they can stay in a crappy apartment in Copa with three other girl or they can stay in a comfortable apartment or hotel with you and maybe hook a regular customer.

My personal thoughts are that it has little to do with what time you approach them but more to do with them feeling comfortable with you. Are you a guy who goes to the termas and only hangs out with them or are you a guy who goes for all the girls? You will have a better chance if she feels you are really into her. However, never underestimate her other options for where she is going to sleep. They are an important factor. Also important is your reputation in the termas (as well as others. GDP. NET is alive and well) , your reputation as a lover and the quality of your accommodations.

One thing to keep in mind is you are not the only player in the game. Other guys also are trying to get her to spend the night and they may be paying. [/QUOTE]I agree with this. Would also like to add a lot of these girls have had very shitty lives. Many have been abused, subject to crime, seen people being shot dead in front of them. They tend to live ion very basic accommodation. A chance to hang out with a decent foreigner that treats them way better than the average guy they hang out with is a good option. Show these girls a little attention, a little bit of TLC and the hardest thing will be to get rid of them.

Any news yet on a help replacement? I want to head to Rio in August / sept. I hope something will be open by then.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1131393]I agree with this. Would also like to add a lot of these girls have had very shitty lives. Many have been abused, subject to crime, seen people being shot dead in front of them. They tend to live ion very basic accommodation. A chance to hang out with a decent foreigner that treats them way better than the average guy they hang out with is a good option. Show these girls a little attention, a little bit of TLC and the hardest thing will be to get rid of them.[/QUOTE]I respectfully would point out it's not quite that easy. Bubba will say it's because I'm a misanthropic bastard ("your money's on the dresser, chocolate. Now get the fuck out."). But I think I treat the girls pretty well, I have a spiffy penthouse apartment, and there ain't no chicks clawing at me to stay here.

Sure, some come over after work and will stay the night. But largely they get their R$200 the next day and they are on their way (sometimes a victoria's secret gift kit substitutes). I haven't had anyone begging to stay and give it up for free.

-Cartman

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1131576]I respectfully would point out it's not quite that easy. Bubba will say it's because I'm a misanthropic bastard ("your money's on the dresser, chocolate. Now get the fuck out."). But I think I treat the girls pretty well, I have a spiffy penthouse apartment, and there ain't no chicks clawing at me to stay here.

Sure, some come over after work and will stay the night. But largely they get their R$200 the next day and they are on their way (sometimes a victoria's secret gift kit substitutes). I haven't had anyone begging to stay and give it up for free.

-Cartman[/QUOTE]If you live in Rio, are spending time at the termas and girls are not regularly staying overnight with you until they have to go to work the next day something is wrong. Very wrong. It is time to seriously re-evaluate your lovemaking skills.

I used to troll the eros centers in Frankfurt and one time I came across a hot Brazilian. Not only did she offer me her ass, she also called in several of her friends for a festa. All I paid was the regular fee to her.

BTW, the guys who are bragging at the top of their lungs how well they hit it after returning to the bar in 10 minutes are exactly the guys who never have girls stay over. They got rid of you as soon as they could in the termas, why would they want to spend any more time with you during their off hours.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1131285]I'd say it's special and can't be compared with back wherever is home, simply because this girl is used to equating sex with money and she's giving it for free to him. She could be selling that same time for R400 down at Balcony after the termas close time, but she gave it to him for a few slices of pizza. Girls back wherever is home are different, at least in my country, most girls don't have a sense of what their time and sex is worth, or where to sell it if they wanted to. They give it for free. GDPs know exactly what that time is worth. . Sex for free anytime between 10 am and 5 am is a missed opportunity for cash, there is always someone to sell it to during those times.

I'm just wondering what time the guys typically set up the freebie TLN at termas in Copa, like how long before closing time. Last call. 2 hours before, when is the best time? I've had a TLN offer at Bar 22 nice and early. 9pm, but of course the girls, hours and situation at 22 are totally different than the termas.

Next time, I'll be (a little) more more trusting of the girls not to steal my stuff and try more takeout.

Termas girl TLN is sounding pretty good for my next visit, so I'd like more info about the best time to arrange it. [/QUOTE]Punta. If you remember prior to my Rio trip, I was asking the forum a few questions about how to get a GDP girl in my room for the night. I read that more than a few people had some luck doing this. I actually got some help and advice from Bubba Boy. I will say I set out to see if I could get a girl to come home with me. Prior to the trip, I was working out, dieting, even tanning a bit and doing all that I can to look presentable. I was practicing the langauge and I am naturally charming (LOL). I joke but I have always had the gift of gab. At the Termas, we had a great session and I was actually quite receptive to paying this girl. I talked to her through a bartender and I asked her if she would like to meet me at my hotel. She said yes. I actually think that the fact that the other girls were paying so much attention to me that she became a little jealous (as funny as this seems). It was llike a high school dance. I asked her if she believed in love at first sight. I told her Termas girlfriends (one after I kissed her) that I was falling for her friend and I could not session with her (in truth I really was not that motivated to sleep with her for various reasons). Believe it or not the fact that I kissed XYZ got back to my termas girl. Later that night at the restaurant I had to explain why I kissed girl XYZ. I said it was more like a light peck and I couldn't continue on with this because I had realized my strong feelings for you. She was satified with this. She explained that she did not like working in the Termas very much. The next morning we decided I would call her at 1PM and we would spend the day together.

The next day I thought about it and thought about it and 1PM came around then 2PM then 3PM and I just couldn't call her. I finally tried at 5PM and there was no answer. The next day I was kicking myself in the ass. I posed the question (can a Termas girl and a Monger have a relationship?) in the forum because I truely enjoyed her company. We have traded a few emails and she was waiting by the phone for me to call. Now she will go to Milan for her "waitress job" as a single girl.

I would like to see her again so I wish I would have called her the next day. Who knows what could have happened?

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101; 1131938]The next day I thought about it and thought about it and 1PM came around then 2PM then 3PM and I just couldn't call her. I finally tried at 5PM and there was no answer. The next day I was kicking myself in the ass. I posed the question (can a Termas girl and a Monger have a relationship?) in the forum because I truely enjoyed her company. We have traded a few emails and she was waiting by the phone for me to call. Now she will go to Milan for her "waitress job" as a single girl.

I would like to see her again so I wish I would have called her the next day. Who knows what could have happened? [/QUOTE]I think maybe next time, for your own peace of mind, you should stick to the casas where there is less of a chance for you to get emotionally involved. Maybe I'm a cynic, and yeah putas are people too, but I am convinced that the one constant in mongering is that you should never get emotionally involved with a WG. I treat the girls well, but I don't trust 95% of what they say. I wouldn't even worry about the Milan part if I was you, because it's probably not true. She is probably returning to her hometown or even going to work at a better paying less seasonal place in Sao Paulo. Most of these girls are living their entire lives on the downlow from family and very good at lying. Remember a few weeks ago I was screwing the girl at T502 whose husband thought she was working nights as a telefonista and would shoot her if he knew. Now, that is something I do believe from the mouth of a puta. :)

Hello, guys. I'm taking my first trip to Rio next month and I've heard that Copacabana is definitely the place to stay for first timers. For anyone that's familiar with the area, I have a quick question for you. I am looking at apartments near Meia Pataca and Balcony Bar. Which is a better area to stay for mongering? I've heard that the area near Meia Pataca is often called "Hooker Beach." But I've also heard that the Balcony Bar is a nice mongering spot. Can someone please give me some advice here?

[QUOTE=EmilioTheGreat;1132714]Hello, guys. I'm taking my first trip to Rio next month and I've heard that Copacabana is definitely the place to stay for first timers. For anyone that's familiar with the area, I have a quick question for you. I am looking at apartments near Meia Pataca and Balcony Bar. Which is a better area to stay for mongering? I've heard that the area near Meia Pataca is often called "Hooker Beach." But I've also heard that the Balcony Bar is a nice mongering spot. Can someone please give me some advice here?[/QUOTE]Copa's cheaper than Ipanema or Leblon, and certainly a good base of ops. I'd pick a location close to a Metro station (within 5-6 blocks tops, which is most of copa) like Siqueira Campos or Cardeal Arcoverde. There's no reason to stay right near Balcony Bar. You can easily cab it there (recommended for first-timers) or walk (if you are up for a little risk late at night). The metro is your ticket to Centro termas and prives, those in Tijuca, and places in between (like Ju Pantera in Flamengo?). Also easy access to General Osorio in Ipanema.

Bottom line: don't stress about being close to Balcony, find a place you like within reasonable walk of Metro.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1132781]Copa's cheaper than Ipanema or Leblon, and certainly a good base of ops. I'd pick a location close to a Metro station (within 5-6 blocks tops, which is most of copa) like Siqueira Campos or Cardeal Arcoverde. There's no reason to stay right near Balcony Bar. You can easily cab it there (recommended for first-timers) or walk (if you are up for a little risk late at night). The metro is your ticket to Centro termas and prives, those in Tijuca, and places in between (like Ju Pantera in Flamengo?). Also easy access to General Osorio in Ipanema.

Bottom line: don't stress about being close to Balcony, find a place you like within reasonable walk of Metro. [/QUOTE]I agree that there is no need to worry about Meia Pataca either. It's now a family restaurant, more or less. If it's your 1st time and the left-over girls find out they will try and over charge you. If they try an 1-2 hour "bs" and if they want more than R$150-200 for less than 4-5 hours, then walk away. Plus make sure when you are any restaurant or bars with working girls let the waiter know that your tab is for you. Don't get suckered into buying drinks, because many of those table hop for drinks. Screen who you take to your room or apartment, because a lot of the girls from the favelas near Balcony frequent there, and will drug you and rip you off. Some times they will put a drug on their tits and you end up passing out. A friend of mine had this happen, and when he awoke he was ripped off of all that was not in his safe. The bitches even cooked themselves breakfast, because he found the dishes in his kitchen sink.

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca;1132803]Don't get suckered into buying drinks, because many of those table hop for drinks. Screen who you take to your room or apartment, because a lot of the girls from the favelas near Balcony frequent there, and will drug you and rip you off. Some times they will put a drug on their tits and you end up passing out. A friend of mine had this happen, and when he awoke he was ripped off of all that was not in his safe. The bitches even cooked themselves breakfast, because he found the dishes in his kitchen sink.[/QUOTE]This is good advice! Never heard about tit drugs, but I'd believe anything from these girls!

Emilio, I recommend that if you have sufficient budget, stay in Ipanema and take cabs where you need to go. Focus on the termas to start and then move on to Balcony once you get a couple days experience. This is a sex tourism area in Zona Sul and you need to gain comprehension of how the girls think and operate. Keep in mind that the freelancers are very experienced at working gringos for cash, and they'll use any means possible to extract it. Remember the girls are pros and don't get sucked into the scams i.e. poor girl that doesn't like the job, just started working here, working here because my mama is sick but I love you so much and won't you send me money to help, etc. All the info and experience is on this forum, so read a year of back posts. If you don't have much cash, stay in Copa near the metro stations like the guys said, then check the posts for cheaper places in Centro and Zona Norte. If you're a party guy, you might want to just monger in Copa. If you just like pure sex and don't require a festive environment or gringo fellowship, the cheaper places are good and you can reach them on the metro. Quick sex, 1 hour, leave and tag the next girl at the next casa before your dick gets dry. Post the girls names and the casa addresses along with the services provided and pictures if you have them.

[QUOTE=EmilioTheGreat;1132714]Hello, guys. I'm taking my first trip to Rio next month and I've heard that Copacabana is definitely the place to stay for first timers. For anyone that's familiar with the area, I have a quick question for you. I am looking at apartments near Meia Pataca and Balcony Bar. Which is a better area to stay for mongering? I've heard that the area near Meia Pataca is often called "Hooker Beach." But I've also heard that the Balcony Bar is a nice mongering spot. Can someone please give me some advice here?[/QUOTE]In April 2010 I have booked an apartment close to Meia Pataca in this restaurant there was Garotas but only 3 or 4 were ok, in front of Meia Pataca on the beach nothing special. Now I will be in Rio in 1 week and I have booked another apartment very close to the Balcony so I will write a report asap.)

[QUOTE=Xman K3;1133185]Hey guys hitting Rio running Sunday mar 20 for 6 nights hitting the regular stops balcony and things then going to vm and lata that week going to busessco the the black and white club in the hood with some of my buddies who live in brazil[/QUOTE]Xman, I've copied your announcement to the Rio thread as a number of people who read this thread are interested in Termas Black and White in Bonsuccesso. I planned to visit last November but the favela war stopped me from visiting Zona Norte. Please print any info / feedback!

Is there any real difference between money changing rates at the airport and in town. Where is the best place to change?

[QUOTE=Vittu;1133322]Is there any real difference between money changing rates at the airport and in town. Where is the best place to change?[/QUOTE]The best places to change money are with the porters with white jackets who are standing around after you exit customs or jewelry stores in Copacabana. Make sure you check the interbank exchange before you get on the plane. Then if they offer you 1.55 you can say (Portuguese may be needed) with confidence "but the actual rate is 1.65," and they will knock it up a couple of points. If you go to one of those booths in the airport they will hit you over the head with a lower rate, fees, and all kind of other shit. The only places I know that those airport places don't rip you off are Thailand and Philippines.

[QUOTE=Vittu;1133322]Is there any real difference between money changing rates at the airport and in town. Where is the best place to change?[/QUOTE]The best place to change is. Always. With Brazilians wanting to pick up some dollars. Start looking for them at the airport. Talk to whoever is providing your hostelry in Rio. In front of cambios in center. Talk to people there. Be careful in Copa at cambios because the local hebrews there aren't appreciative of efforts to cut out the middle-man.

[QUOTE=Vittu;1133322]Is there any real difference between money changing rates at the airport and in town. Where is the best place to change?[/QUOTE]Yes they wanted 1. 55 at the international airport and the taxi stands were giving 1. 60 without a fee. I got 1. 69 on my CC from a money machine in sao Paulo later that week. The Termas were giving 1. 65. My thought is is there any reason to change money? Not for the Termas for sure. Will the taxis, bars, and restaurants take US currency and give you a fair exchange rate?

Just a heads up that, with Carnaval behind us, Monte Carlo is closed again on Sundays. It was a nice Summer run of Sunday openings but alas no more!

In theory this should mean the girls have another day off during the week, but I'm not sure.

By the way, the registration program is pretty cool. If you spend I think more than R$500 you get a free entrada. It adds up over time and I think friends you bring with you can get counted towards your total (if you tell them when you enter). They take fake names (they don't check) but you do "log in" with a fingerprint reader. I'm enjoying it and probably getting free entrada (R$70 value) every 2-3 visits.

-Cartman

I'm thinking about getting condo in Copacabana. The one I'm looking at says its in posto 5. Anyone know about that area? Is it close to 4x4 or monte carlo? Any info would help?

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1133540]I'm thinking about getting condo in Copacabana. The one I'm looking at says its in posto 5. Anyone know about that area? Is it close to 4x4 or monte carlo? Any info would help?[/QUOTE]Posto 5 is near where Help used to be, Meia Pataca and Hooker Beach in front of the Othon. MP is now dead and I was in Rio in November and Hooker beach looked pretty quiet too. It is nowhere near 4x4 but you are close to a metro station (Cantagalo) which will take you into Centro (Uruguiana station) for 4x4 and it is a short walk along the beach to Monte Carlo (Rua Hilario de Gouveia). Now that Help is gone that area of Copa is very quiet at night.

The prices at Vila Mimosa have been R$25-27/30 minutes for many years. The majority still charge R$25. However some casas have raised their prices to R$35, and a few have even raised their prices to R$40.

I can't see any difference in quality of the girls or the establishment at the more expensive casas (maybe they just raised the price because the business is going badly).

[QUOTE=Torgoch;1133563]Posto 5 is near where Help used to be, Meia Pataca and Hooker Beach in front of the Othon. MP is now dead and I was in Rio in November and Hooker beach looked pretty quiet too. It is nowhere near 4x4 but you are close to a metro station (Cantagalo) which will take you into Centro (Uruguiana station) for 4x4 and it is a short walk along the beach to Monte Carlo (Rua Hilario de Gouveia). Now that Help is gone that area of Copa is very quiet at night.[/QUOTE]Is there any club that took helps place? Or anything close like it? Is posto 5 still a good place to stay at, I mean is it a nice area

Having been to Help only once and on the outside beach restaurant once I am not among the guys deeply missing Help. Nontheless the place and restaurant summed up used to be packed with girls depandant on an income. Where have they gone to find their customers and are there any alternatives similar to Help now or in the future?

GK

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1133691]Is there any club that took helps place? Or anything close like it? Is posto 5 still a good place to stay at, I mean is it a nice area[/QUOTE]If you read through the Rio forum and also look at Bubba Boy's excellent guide (which has its own forum) then you can find out a lot of information. Asking for information which is readily available by searching through the forum may get you a reply which just says RTFF! (read the expletive forum). After Help there is Balcony bar at the top end of Copa Beach by the Lido. I don't bother with it myself as I prefer to go to Centro and will start looking at Tijuca on my next trip in July. It does get busy in the small hours but it can be a rip-off joint unless you know the prices. Posto 5 is a nice area to stay and now that Help has gone it is quiet at night. It is not the centre for action that it used to be. Personally I stay in Copa to be near the beach (I can't afford Ipanema) and tend to travel into Centro for a workout.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1133649]The prices at Vila Mimosa have been R$25-27/30 minutes for many years. The majority still charge R$25. However some casas have raised their prices to R$35, and a few have even raised their prices to R$40.

I can't see any difference in quality of the girls or the establishment at the more expensive casas (maybe they just raised the price because the business is going badly). [/QUOTE].

I hadn't been to 22 for a while and man was I surprised. First of all, I didn't have correct change (always a bad idea at 22) so I gave them 15 for the entrance and was waiting around for my 3 R change when the lady told me it had gone up to 15. I argued for a while but it did no good, so I went in and found the place pretty empty. 5 girls and 2 or 3 guys shooting pool, hanging out.

Then, I found an old friend and decided to renew our friendship even though she has put on a few pounds since our last encounter. When we went for a session and handed her my R75, she wagged her finger at me and said nao, nao, nao. R120. For 20 minutes! 30 minutes R150, 1 hr, R200.

So, they have doubled the price (approximately). Same girls, same shit hole, twice the price. Now, I call that a deal. I would have thought it was the old "Screw the gringo" thing, but I know this girl and she was telling me this even before we left the bar.

What is even worse, the fat blond who took the money was at least friendly and pleasant, but she has been replaced by a really sour old thing.

So, I guess it starts with Centaurus, trickles down to L'uomo and others, now 22 and even VM!

At least Centro pricing seems to be stable, but I have not made an exhaustive study.

Probably the best discount available is the "frequent flyers" program at Monte Carlo where you can get free entry. Sometimes. I can't say I know exactly how it works. I think after you spend R300 or so you get in free the next time? Anyway, I got in free the other night, so I know it is possible.

I have not posted for some time, but here are some odds and ends. I saw the discussion on what happened to Pietra. My information is that she went to Europe to make more money. She told me she was going to do this last June or July, then said it got delayed. Now she is gone. I was questioning one of the girls about this and I think they make up stories to protect each other. Maybe if they tell management, there is some sort of retribution? Anyway, she told me some lie and I told her I knew she was lying and she couldn't keep a straight face. Then I asked her if Pietra would make a lot of money in Italy and "Ache que sim" was the answer. So, go figure. If someone knows more about the mechanism for them going to Europe, it would be interesting. However, I suspect it probably breaks some laws either here in Brazil or in Europe so it may not be a good topic for discussion.

On this same subject, one of my favs from MC said she was also leaving (her last day) to work in Italy, then Switzerland. Same deal I guess.

It is getting to be a family thing at L'uomo with Bia, First her cousin Paola, then another cousin came and now her little sister is working there. I am afraid I am going to run into mama there one day.

So other than the higher prices and post-carnaval haze, everything is pretty much normal.

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill;1133760]At least Centro pricing seems to be stable, but I have not made an exhaustive study.[/QUOTE]I did some centro study today. I went by 41 privês and casas de massagem in centro today. I checked out old addresses and quite a few new ones. There have been quite a few changes. However the prices continues more or less the same as a year ago.

I've been presented to more than two hundred GP's today. A lot of check-kissings and many bundas to check out (and some sampling was necessary as well). This "study" I do in the purpose of making myself a shopping list by choosing about ten of the most appealing privês. Later on, in the beginning of April I'll post an updated summary of the centro casas.

I hope to check out Largo de Machado and Tijuca as well.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1133786]I did some centro study today. I went by 41 privês and casas de massagem in centro today. I checked out old addresses and quite a few new ones. There have been quite a few changes. However the prices continues more or less the same as a year ago.

I've been presented to more than two hundred GP's today. A lot of check-kissings and many bundas to check out (and some sampling was necessary as well). This "study" I do in the purpose of making myself a shopping list by choosing about ten of the most appealing privês. Later on, in the beginning of April I'll post an updated summary of the centro casas.

I hope to check out Largo de Machado and Tijuca as well. [/QUOTE]Thanks for all of the hard work and effort in checking out brazilian ass in Centro. I mean that half serious and half kidding. I think :)

On a serious note, I am really looking forward to seeing your update. Thanks again!

SHD, when did you go to 22? I was there the Tuesday before Carnaval and while the entrance is now R$ 15, the pricing of the girls was the same as before so for a half hour it was R$ 75. The prices were actually posted on the wall behind the counter which included the 20 minute price of R$ 55. Maybe they were doing "Carnaval" pricing?

[QUOTE=Sperto;1133786]I did some centro study today. I went by 41 privês and casas de massagem in centro today.[/QUOTE]41? In a day! Too funny! The man is dedicated!

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1133786]I did some centro study today. I went by 41 privês and casas de massagem in centro today. I checked out old addresses and quite a few new ones.

I've been presented to more than two hundred GP's today. [/QUOTE]I am guessing that you just broke an ISG field research record. I look forward to your update. Your list is like Zagat for all of us alleycats and muddy-shoe safados , and I look forward to seeing whether you've found new places! :)

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill; 1133760].

I hadn't been to 22 for a while and man was I surprised. First of all, I didn't have correct change (always a bad idea at 22) so I gave them 15 for the entrance.

Then, I found an old friend and decided to renew our friendship even though she has put on a few pounds since our last encounter. When we went for a session and handed her my R75, she wagged her finger at me and said nao, nao, nao. R120. For 20 minutes! 30 minutes R150, 1 hr, R200. [/QUOTE]A month ago when I reported on 22 it was R15 entrada (still includes the 3 beers) and R100/30. I negotiated down to R90/30 and think others can negotiate as well, to the extent that they speak a little Porto and can curb their brothel-enthusiasm in front of the mama. This place is a dive and boring most of the time, but I keep going back because the girls are uncomplicated and less professional; sometimes they can be developed into what I call beyond-GFE without tips or excessive cost. I had one last year called Gabriella that I still haven't gotten over, even though I religiously follow the principle of fuck and forget, and have been craving her since July to the point of offering an hour session-cost reward for finding where she is at now and my offer stands + bonus for anyone that could hook me up with her in October. I found that at R90/30 it still was worth a risk to physically interview for another gem but at R150/30, even I would stay away. T502 would be my next choice.

Regarding Pietra, now on break from Luomo. Wow, the stories abound. I've heard abortion, I've heard she's been spotted in the grocery stores in Copa recently, then perhaps she's in Europe. She's becoming a celeb like Ingrid, whose whereabouts were highly debated and was even rumored to be living in EUA with an Atlanta Falcons player. I'm wasn't into black girls and tended toward morena and mullata, but Pietra talked me into a session last year and, despite knowing that the working parts had previously been run rough-shod by some of the most lecherous seniors of this thread, I tried and really enjoyed the body and the quality of the session (DFK, BBBJ marathon anal, CIM with swallow) and her after-sex personality in the cabine despite her agressive hustles in the boite. I recommend it, whenever she returns from wherever she's at. And she inevitably will.

[QUOTE=Kojak1;1133807]SHD, when did you go to 22? I was there the Tuesday before Carnaval and while the entrance is now R$ 15, the pricing of the girls was the same as before so for a half hour it was R$ 75. The prices were actually posted on the wall behind the counter which included the 20 minute price of R$ 55. Maybe they were doing "Carnaval" pricing?[/QUOTE]Post Carnaval, Saturday, I think. I do speak a little Portuguese and I have been there many times, the girl knows me so I don't know. I agree with the assessment below. Maybe I'll go back again and see what I can do but right now I am pissed off with them. Checked out 173 Toneleros and for my money, that is a much better place now, although pickings can be slim.

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill;1133962]Post Carnaval, Saturday, I think. I do speak a little Portuguese and I have been there many times, the girl knows me so I don't know. I agree with the assessment below. Maybe I'll go back again and see what I can do but right now I am pissed off with them. Checked out 173 Toneleros and for my money, that is a much better place now, although pickings can be slim.[/QUOTE]You guys have to get down to centro. That is where the true gems are found for a fraction of the cost. In fact Copa and Ipanema has become so stupidly overpriced, not just for P4P, but for everything, that I don't buy anything of any real value in Zona Sul. Centro or even Tijuca offers the same crap for at least 30% cheaper, that is for everything, not just GDP's.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1133974]You guys have to get down to centro. That is where the true gems are found for a fraction of the cost. In fact Copa and Ipanema has become so stupidly overpriced, not just for P4P, but for everything, that I don't buy anything of any real value in Zona Sul. Centro or even Tijuca offers the same crap for at least 30% cheaper, that is for everything, not just GDP's.[/QUOTE]BB, agree with you about pricing in Zona Sul and I do go to Centro a lot. It's also nice for the variety to have options in Zona Sul. 22 is a great option to go to around 10PM, hang out and do a program and then head down to B Bar around 12:30. Then you can just hang out with friends and the urge is gone. Unfortunately, the line up at 22 has been stagnant lately and if the pricing has changed, it's not a good option anymore.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1124682]To access these fine casas jump the metro to Saens Pena. All are a max of 5 minutes from the metro. Each place has 1 or 2 very nice quality ladies willing to do pretty much everything. Of course there are more ladies there. Normally at these places you pay a little extra for anal, something like R$20. Can't complain really.
Tigresas Tijucanas, Rua General Roca 340/114 [url]http://www.tigresastijucanas.com[/url] M-F 10:00 ás 20.00 Sat 10:00 ás 18:00
Massagem Tijuca, Av Paula e Souza (Maracanã) [url]http://www.massagemtijuca.com.br[/url] M-F 10:00 ás 19.30 Sat 10:00 ás 18:30
Mix Massagem, Rua Conde de Bonfim 352 Sala 506 [url]http://www.mixmassagem.com/[/url] M-F 09:00 ás 19.30 Sat 09:00 ás 15.00
Anne Massagem, Rua General Roca 263 [url]http://www.annemassagens.com.br/[/url] M-F 09:00 ás 20.00
Sat 09:00 ás 20.00[/QUOTE]
Thanks a lot Bubba.
Tijuca was great today.

Very nice privês. The rooms were superb. Big beds, mirrors, AC, very clean and showers in the rooms.
R$50/30 minutes.

Tigresas had several very nice girls.
I had an excellent session with Natasha.
[url]http://www.tigresastijucanas.com/ensaios/natashatigresas/index.html[/url]
She looks even better in reality.

Mixmassagem also had some interesting girls.
I got a great session with Paloma.
[url]http://www.mixmassagem.com/palomamix/index.htm[/url]
She does BBBJTCWS.

Annemassagem was a little bit lower in quality but had a nice blond girl.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1133974]You guys have to get down to centro. That is where the true gems are found for a fraction of the cost. In fact Copa and Ipanema has become so stupidly overpriced, not just for P4P, but for everything, that I don't buy anything of any real value in Zona Sul. Centro or even Tijuca offers the same crap for at least 30% cheaper, that is for everything, not just GDP's.[/QUOTE]Centro has a lot of options, but not a great place to live or stay. Also closed (mostly) on weekends. Anyway, you can't really compare a high end terma where there is great music, many outstanding girls, but mostly, the time to hang out with them, BS, have drinks before and after, order food, etc. That is undoubtedly different from plugging a hole in joint where the bed is so nasty, you do it standing up and wouldn't dream of taking your shoes off. I'm not being judgmental, because I have space for both of these. But you can't really compare them in a meaningful way. They are different and have different prices, of course. The lower level places in Copacabana are similarly priced and are similar to the centro casas. I paid R75 for a 30 min. Session at Toneleros 173 which is the same I paid the other day at Bel Prazer. But of course, centro has all the dives as well.

What you say about Zona Sul pricing is true but what are you going to do? Live downtown (or stay there if you are visiting)? Some might choose that, but it's not for me and I don't recommend it. Or be based in Zona Sul and jump on the metro for centro when you need a bite to eat, something to drink of something to play with? If you can make it work and it is worth it to you, great. For me, I take advantage of centro when I have to go there anyway. Otherwise, you can have a fair selection of different levels of service even in Copacabana. One thing for sure, you won't get down to VM levels in Copacabana, as far as I know.

I liked that class on Comparative Politics in college. Or was it Comparative Literature? Anyway, I love ISG and have read plenty, but sometimes it's hard to compare different mongering destinations without getting some direct expert input. So my solution is to just ask. I'm planning one last major mongering bender in mid April (10-14 days). I hope not to give up the hobby, but in a few months I'll have to pursue it on 'l little here, a little there' basis. In short, one last full-on sex vacation coming up. Sooo. . .

Where to go? I know we have some well-traveled mongerers on the board, so I'm looking for some comparative perspective from guys who have been to the places on this board plus the others I list below. Here are my options; they seem like gaps in my mongering resume I need to fill. (One factor: I have to justify the trip as tourism, so for example a strictly Bangkok trip would definitely raise red flags). Here goes:

Brazil (Rio) – Cost to travel about $1400 – Pros: I generally love Latinas and tan lines and diverse looks, and what I hear about Brazilian girls in bed (confirmed at an FKK and LMP) ; Cons: I would be there around and during holy week; Termas seem expensive and exchange rate to dollar not great; No Portuguese but I've managed with no Spanish in other countries and so maybe can fake it; Been there once (pre mongering days) and want to do non-mongering activities but trip not long enough to see lots of Brazil.

Macau, Changping, Hong Kong (with possible Bangkok layover). Cost to Travel $1000 to $1400 – Pros:; like the idea of trying KTV and Chinese saunas; Can visit a relative in Macau so I have a good pretext to go; Want to go now before scene gets shut down or too pricey; Bangkok layover chance a big plus. Cons: US visa issue, no Chinese language, Macau saunas seem a bit pricey, lots of reports about Chinese girls being too mechanical, though I have contradictory experience in KL and elsewhere. . .

Jakarta – Cost to travel $650 – Pros: Wild girls (threesomes) at Jakarta places, prices seem fair, would like to visit Sumatra so Jakarta a good launch point. Cons: Been to Jakarta and didn't love the city, and that seems like the only place to really monger on the trip; Indo girls nice, but may want more diversity

Other options: Colombia, Manila: been to both places recently, great sex / price, but don't have lots of time to see new parts of country to justify going.

Thanks for indulging my indecision!

[QUOTE=Ibn Buttita;1134165]Cons: I would be there around and during holy week; Termas seem expensive and exchange rate to dollar not great; No Portuguese but I've managed with no Spanish in other countries and so maybe can fake it; Been there once (pre mongering days) and want to do non-mongering activities but[/QUOTE]Given your background, I think Rio would (mildly) disappoint you as a sex destination. Its a great city, but isn't ideal for what you described. If you interview in Jakarta for gems the way that people do in Brasil, I know from experience that you'll find Indon girls in the Blok and in Kota that will do everything that's ever been posted in this Rio thread, with equal dedication and at half the price. Jakarta seems like your best option, especially considering your lower costs to get there. BTW, the 'best places for STR thread' is the most appropriate place for this discussion.

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill;1134112]What you say about Zona Sul pricing is true but what are you going to do? Live downtown (or stay there if you are visiting)? Some might choose that, but it's not for me and I don't recommend it. Or be based in Zona Sul and jump on the metro for centro when you need a bite to eat, something to drink of something to play with? If you can make it work and it is worth it to you, great. For me, I take advantage of centro when I have to go there anyway.[/QUOTE]After 2 consecutive trips lodging in Centro, I no longer care to sleep there. I like to monger there, but there are ample buses at all times of day and night running between NS Copa and Pres Vargas, so I'll be staying back in Copa next time. As for food and drink, I think Zona Sul can offer everything that Centro has, and with longer hours. The value of Centro, IMO, is the huge quantity of girls, moderate prices, the adventure of finding them in nook and cranny places all over, and just being in the heart of the old city and appreciating the history and culture.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1134087]Thanks a lot Bubba.

Tijuca was great today.

Very nice privês. The rooms were superb. Big beds, mirrors, AC, very clean and showers in the rooms.

R$50/30 minutes.

Tigresas had several very nice girls.

I had an excellent session with Natasha.

[url]http://www.tigresastijucanas.com/ensaios/natashatigresas/index.html[/url]

She looks even better in reality.

Mixmassagem also had some interesting girls.

I got a great session with Paloma.

[url]http://www.mixmassagem.com/palomamix/index.htm[/url]

She does BBBJTCWS.

Annemassagem was a little bit lower in quality but had a nice blond girl. [/QUOTE]Agree that Tijuca has some good places. A word to the wise. Selection is way better during the week than on Saturday (when most are open at least until 5pm). On my last Tijuca Saturday visit, rolled in around 12 noon and the selection was very bad. Hit 3 places in a row without finding a taker. Ended up heading back to Zona Sul fully cocked and empty handed. This is a bit of a bummer for us working stiffs who get in at 8. 30am and leave at 8pm from our Zona Sul HQ's.

On the previous visit, had a solid session at Tigressas. Seriously Tigressas and the other joint are like 5 mins from Saens Paena metro. And the pharmacies right at the metro sell Vitamin V for about 1/2 the price in Zona Sul. 12-pack? Yes I will.

Just a word on the Zona Sul vs. Centro issue. Yes, Bel Prazer, the other prives, and even places like 502, 30, 31 have 1-2 stunners who can be had for R$100 or less, and who will beg to stay at your posh apartment when they're not working. However, at least half of these joints (the prives) aren't open when us working stiffs are heading out of Copa at night. So that's a limiting factor. And if you don't attribute any value to the boates, facilities, etc. Of the higher-end T's, then sure you can look like a chump for paying double what you'd pay at 502.

That said, I like the T's. And with MC's registration program, my 2 sessions tonight (40 mins) cost me a total of R$500 ($504 to be precise). And they were really high near-GFE quality. So in this day and age, I don't consider that a bad deal by T standards. If I had the time to go to Bel Prazer durante o dia, I would.

[QUOTE=Ibn Buttita;1134165]Where to go? I know we have some well-traveled mongerers on the board, so I'm looking for some comparative perspective from guys who have been to the places on this board plus the others I list below. Here are my options; they seem like gaps in my mongering resume I need to fill. (One factor: I have to justify the trip as tourism, so for example a strictly Bangkok trip would definitely raise red flags).[/QUOTE]I'm not sure why a trip to BKK would raise red flags. There is plenty of tourism to do there and all around Thailand. You can go anywhere in the country (with the exception of Phuket) from BKK round trip on Air Asia for US$50.

Love the thick fat pussy on Natasha.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1134676]Agree that Tijuca has some good places. A word to the wise. Selection is way better during the week than on Saturday (when most are open at least until 5pm). On my last Tijuca Saturday visit, rolled in around 12 noon and the selection was very bad. Hit 3 places in a row without finding a taker. Ended up heading back to Zona Sul fully cocked and empty handed. This is a bit of a bummer for us working stiffs who get in at 8. 30am and leave at 8pm from our Zona Sul HQ's.

On the previous visit, had a solid session at Tigressas. Seriously Tigressas and the other joint are like 5 mins from Saens Paena metro. And the pharmacies right at the metro sell Vitamin V for about 1/2 the price in Zona Sul. 12-pack? Yes I will.

Just a word on the Zona Sul vs. Centro issue. Yes, Bel Prazer, the other prives, and even places like 502, 30, 31 have 1-2 stunners who can be had for R$100 or less, and who will beg to stay at your posh apartment when they're not working. However, at least half of these joints (the prives) aren't open when us working stiffs are heading out of Copa at night. So that's a limiting factor. And if you don't attribute any value to the boates, facilities, etc. Of the higher-end T's, then sure you can look like a chump for paying double what you'd pay at 502.

That said, I like the T's. And with MC's registration program, my 2 sessions tonight (40 mins) cost me a total of R$500 ($504 to be precise). And they were really high near-GFE quality. So in this day and age, I don't consider that a bad deal by T standards. If I had the time to go to Bel Prazer durante o dia, I would. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1134087]Tigresas had several very nice girls.

I had an excellent session with Natasha.

[url]http://www.tigresastijucanas.com/ensaios/natashatigresas/index.html[/url]

She looks even better in reality. [/QUOTE]Yes, the Tigresa's pictures are not Photoshop enhanced at all. I was doing Bruna last month and she looks exactly like the pictures. A long haul from Zona Sul, but worthwhile for someone starting in Centro.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1134792]I'm not sure why a trip to BKK would raise red flags.[/QUOTE]Me either, everybody respects a LOS visitor. I met a guy who travels to BKK frequently for business. His home land airport sees this in the passport and sometimes even gives him free inspections of all electronic devices.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman;1134676]Just a word on the Zona Sul vs. Centro issue. Yes, Bel Prazer, the other prives, and even places like 502, 30, 31 have 1-2 stunners who can be had for R$100 or less, and who will beg to stay at your posh apartment when they're not working. However, at least half of these joints (the prives) aren't open when us working stiffs are heading out of Copa at night. So that's a limiting factor. And if you don't attribute any value to the boates, facilities, etc. Of the higher-end T's, then sure you can look like a chump for paying double what you'd pay at 502.[/QUOTE]Would they still be begging if you just had a hotel room and told them we're riding the bus because the metro is closed now? . Last month I got a nice looking early 20's girl from Balcony to ride to Ibis Centro on the bus. Of course that's her normal mode of transportation from her home in Bangu to Copa and back, but I got the sense that she was expecting me, as gringo, to spring for a cab.

With more trips to Rio, I start thinking that banging around all the time in casa/prives, trying to find a girl that will really be a GFE on the first session and worth repeating, is wasted effort, because most aren't GFE the first time and some will never be. Better to develop a low end termas girl into TLN like you said, then hopefully she will stay over and save you from banging a bunch of boring ones the next afternoon at R80+ per. Casas are fun, but the session quality is so variable. After a few trips of fast and furious casa hoppin, it can get tiresome because you hear what they are promising, but in the back of your mind you start to expect in advance that a girl is going to try something stupid like CBJ if she said BBBJ, or dodging if she said CIM, or asking for demanding a tip for anal after she said anal was included. Last time, I didn't even hit the apartments at all and just focused on places like 502 and Florida where girls are still cheap, and there is some time for interaction and a possibility for finding a decent looking girl for TLN. For whatever that's worth. Usually if a girl from a place like that is up for TLN she will suggest it herself, but not always. None at these places did, they were hopping when I was there and girls were really working the crowd, guy to guy, to see who wants to session, rather than sitting with anyone.

Oddly, my best sessions in low end places have been from girls that I did not really interview or converse with prior to session, and that just went crazy on me by chance or because that's their way of operating. The dialogue with the last gem occurred as she was getting ready to walk out of 22, and I grabbed her by the arm and told her in Porto stay here, I want to fuck you. Real classy introduction. 15 minutes later we're in the back, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, BBFS, CIMWS. All happened naturally like 2 dogs meeting in the street, no interviewing, beer, or anything like that beforehand. Smart girl. I came back to hit that every night thereafter. We never really did talk about anything other than the temp of the shower water. first because I'd walk in, smile, pay and go back and we'd go at it like the world was getting ready to end..haha, same thing every night. Second because there was no time for talking because tongues were busy either oral or DFK from time-start to time- finish, and once time was up, I always gave away the remaining swill beer and went back to Centro to bang girls at Florida. Now I realize how stupid it was to be lazy and not to stick around and make conversation, that was so squared away for TLN and next-day. Instead, I'd be down in the apartos the next day spending all kinds of money on girls that were not so good. Fool, I was.

I need to qualify my post as it was poorly written. It actually had 2 parts to it.

The first part I meant to say that I don't buy anything in Zona Sul that I need for general use. Anything imported I usually get a friend to bring it in. That is like perfume for ladys gifts (for girlfriends etc) , anything electronic like a new camera, anything which you can't just get in Rio. Anything that I need to buy in Brazil I don't buy in Zona Sul I usually go to Centro or further up in Zona Norte. These items include Generic Drugs like Viagra, local clothes, anything needed around the house. Everything that I need I can get in centro or Zona Norte for at least 30% cheaper than I can get it in Copacabana or Ipanema. When you are buying something that is like R$200 or so. 30% to 40% savings is well worth it.

The second part was about women. I know Rio very well. I know all the Termas in Zona Sul, I still go to them and know what girls are there etc. However I rarely bang a girl there now. Just can't justify spending R$300 for a terma girl that I can bang for R$80 or R$150 in centro. I can afford it I just sit there and think "man that girl is exactly the same as say * down in centro but it is like 3 x the price". I just don't pull the trigger as much as I used to in Zona Sul.

Now before someone says there is a lot of leg work to find these gems in Centro etc. Yes there is. However for some one like myself that lives in Rio and has time on his hands it really is a no brainer to find these GDP's at the cheaper places. I am not talking about the shit hole filthy cheapies that are like R$40 a bang. I mean T502 is great, facilities are similar to the Zona Sul T's but way cheaper. Bel Prazer and Dudas are higher class prives in centro and are like R$100 for the hour, their facilities actually nicer than say the rooms at Monte Carlo or Luomo or Cent. There are also a ton of other similar places that I am not going to tell everybody about, well not constantly anyway.

As to the argument that Termas are fun to hang out at. Well sure they are when you are a tourist, but again when you live in Rio they are not nearly as comfortable as banging the same girl at your apartment all night. To me hanging at a Terma is OK, but it kind of gets old once you live in Rio. Hence for my tastes, I still like to go to a Terma every now and again, but it is so much better to work on a nice young centro chic, have her come over for free etc, and then occasional bang at a centro t or casa once or twice a week until your current freebie and yourself "grows apart" and you bring in the next one.

My post is not arguing with anybody, everybody need to find what makes them happy. For me the above is what best fills in my time. What I would suggest to people that visit Rio frequently is do visit centro and put in some effort. Even if you have to bang 3 girls to find that 1 keeper, it is still the same price as banging 1 T girl that may or not be great. For the price of 2 T girls, you can bang 6 girls in centro. Out of those 6 girls you will find someone that clicks with you and it worthy of investing a little bit more time and then you can develop some type of relationship in your own bed. Its all a time versus money numbers game.

Happy hunting!

Have to agree with you. I don't think whether you have a nice apartment or not really makes any difference. Doesn't hurt, but your approach and your game is way more important. Also agree with you that most girls are comfortable on the bus. I had a very nice girl over a couple months ago that refused taxi money to get back to centro, it was getting late and I thought I could get her to the central bus terminal quicker by offering her taxi cash. She refused saying I was nuts "why would anybody pay R$30 for a taxi when the bus gets there for $2. 40 was something like her answer.

The number one experience enhancer IMHO is learning Portuguese. Whether it is connecting with a non-pro, convincing a termas girl to spend the night or just communicating with that centro apartment girl, speaking Portuguese makes a huge difference. A close second is having a good sense of humor. Brazilians love to joke around.

I recently had to go to the hospital and was lucky to draw a gorgeous female doctor who spoke limited English. She asked me if I use Viagra. I told her no. Why would I? I have a Brazilian girlfriend. After turning red, she couldn't help but laugh.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent; 1135219]A close second is having a good sense of humor. Brazilians love to joke around.

I recently had to go to the hospital and was lucky to draw a gorgeous female doctor who spoke limited English. She asked me if I use Viagra. I told her no. Why would I? I have a Brazilian girlfriend. After turning red, she couldn't help but laugh. [/QUOTE]Hey Exec Talent. I had something similar happen to me at a recent Doctors appointment. My Doctor for the past 30years recently retired. At a recent check-up I met his replacement. She was a stunning young blond 5'5" 110 34B and a recent graduate of UCLA. She just completed her residency and it was her first week of the job. As she studied my charts I asked her if anything jumped out at her. She said for one thing you got to stop masturbating. I said no kidding Doc is it dangerous? And she said no but you can't do that in my office.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1134673]Bill Clinton will be in Manaus later that week. You can be sure that he'll be working on some foreign relations.[/QUOTE]Just keep the likes of Hilary away. Old prudish Euro and American women have a way of trying to exert their prudish norms on fantastic, sexually uninhibited cultures.

Changed plans. Obama will not appear in public on Cinelândia. Only specially invited people will get to see him inside the Theatro Municipal. It seems that many cariocas got disappointed and pissed of by the changed plans.

The number of GP's on "ho-beach" have been very low since Help closed. However, yesterday there were at least 25 GP's in front of Othon palace. They were quite busy with a large number of american soldiers.

Obama will stay at Marriot.

BTW, it seems like they are back working on the site of ex-Help. Clearing the last rubbish. Maybe it's time for starting the construction of the Museum?

Just went to 22 last night and can confirm that the prices are back to normal. R$ 15 entrance for 3 beers and the half hour option was R$ 75. I went pretty late (close to 2AM) after having drinks at Balcony with friends and left at 3:45. They were still accepting programs at that time. There were about 6 girls in there last night but only 2 decent looking ones.

Arrived in Rio yesterday, staying at the Mengo Palace near Catete, simple near metro, access to both center and zona sul. After doing blitz catchup reading on hotside, BubbaBoy and forums, I marked out this agenda.

I speak porto, having lived in Sampa, and very familair with Sampa scene.

Left at 5pm, walked to see the Luciana Massagens, Cacao models (same group) , and Ju Panteras in Rua Bento Lisboa. I sort of felt like I was back in Russia, hunting blindly for the door in a big bldg. I tried to call Ju Panteras, but there was no answer and I only had a note "4th floor". I figured ok, must be a comercial bldg, can't be that many offices on 4th floor. Wrong. Its a big residential bldg with about 50 apartments per floor. I get to 4th floor and am not even sure I am in the right part of the bldg, be / see there were several entrances to the bldg. I say 'f this' and go to the 6'th floor, at least I had a room number for Cacao Models. I went to their door. Again, simple apt. I buzzed, no answer. Some semi-attractive girl comes up hallway from some other location. I say "Cacao Models?","Sim, who do you want to see?". I said, I want a presentacao. She said "there is no presentacao, everything is reservation"."Book?"."No book"."Who is here now?"."Me and (she introduces another girl)." Neither are worth it. So we chat a bit, and I say "Do you know Ju Panteras?"."Yes. 4th floor"."Do you know the room number?" "No". Then just as I am about to leave, a 3rd girl (Rebecca) shows up, and she does know the room number for Ju Panteras. Rebecca is doable, but I decide to continue.

Return to the 4th floor. Find the room for JP. Girl answers door "who do you want to see?"."I want a presentacao". Finally she lets me in. Apartment is small railroad style corridor with small rooms. Only 2 girls. The door answerer Priscila (aka Fernanda) and another unattractive girl. Priscila is ok, corresponds to her foto, tho it was hard to assess corpo under her loose dress. I decided to continue journey.

Original plan was to go to the prives in 3 bldgs near Carioca stationg. But after experience with Bento Lisboa, I decided to go straight to Termas, and postpone till Saturday a visit to the apartments. The problem with the apartments is time. A terma has benefit of girls in one room, and conversation. The apartments are hunt, presentacao and quick yes / no decision. This is tough for a visitor. I understand that it is great option for residents, and I did similar legwork in Russia, but for visitor, even porto speaking, it is a tough option. Maybe I will have a better impression after visiting the Carioca places. In general the 2 I saw yesterday are inferior in organization to Sampa prives. Sampa prives have waiting rooms, and admins, and presentacaos. They do not have web sites. In Rio, they have web sites with pretty girls, but when you show up there are only 2 on site. So they are like inverse patterns.

To Bubba Boy.re your guide. I liked that you did a Teir model on the Termas, that was great value. Maybe a similar thing for the apartments. You indicate below that some apartments / massage are higher end than others. That would help to know.

After this, I went to 4x4, hooked up with pretty passista, thought about a double with her beautiful friend, but decided to start 1:1. Good time was had. Very very active in the bed. No complaints. Hi quality session, except for the shard of broken glass on bed, which she cut her finger on as I was banging her from behind. Fortunately it was at the end of session and the cut was minor. I was impressed with the looks of the 4x4 girls. Good selection for my taste.

Decided to check out 65, down the street. Went there, but the 20+ girls were weak imo. Significant downgrade from 4x4. Like a 5 kilo difference on average. I stood around and decided,"this is not worth it, maybe the hot ones are in rooms, but f' it, I can go back to 4x4". So I left and decided to go to Cancun.

Cancun, nice facilities. Live pagode music, nice. The girls were midway be / t 4x4 and 65 on on average. Not as many top end as in 4x4 but better on average than 65. Conversed a while and settled on a sweet little somewhat reserved negra. In the room, it was a real special time. There was a good connection be / t us, and the sex was extremely powerful.

All in all a good night. Am about to leave for rendesvous with a highly rated indy, and then it will be off to either the Carioca prives or the copa termas. Not sure if Carioca prives are open Saturday.

The 2 best and largest prives in centro are Bel Prazer & Dudas, although both in different buildings they are like 100 yards apart.

I agree 4x4 is probably the best Terma in centro as far as quality. It is the largest Terma in Rio as far as numbers goes and has over 60 cabines, I have actually had to wait a number of times for a cabine to come free, hence were 60 people banging plus a few waiting, quite large! Also drop by T502 while on your way there. It is like 300 yards away from 4x4 and only R$20 to enter, R$120 for 40 minutes, represents the best value Terma in Rio and has some cute girls, I think they have cuter girls there than T65 or Cancun! A couple of the really cute girls just left T502, when they were there I think it had even better girls than 4x4!

One point on 4x4, if you are in the boite you may not see the hottest girls come through. The really hot girls are booked for a good portion of the night, only see them come down to the boite a few times during the night and then they only stay a few minutes before they are dragged bag up to the cabine. Despite its size, it is very much a place where you need to go a few times and get to know a couple of girls before you get to see everybody and to see some of its finest!

Definitely worth checking out. Several girls here told me they used to work at 4x4 but get suspended for not showing up or coming in late too many times. Management at 502 is not as strict and often girls who need a more flexible schedule or are waiting out a suspension will show up there.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1135199]What I would suggest to people that visit Rio frequently is do visit centro and put in some effort. Even if you have to bang 3 girls to find that 1 keeper, it is still the same price as banging 1 T girl that may or not be great. For the price of 2 T girls, you can bang 6 girls in centro. Out of those 6 girls you will find someone that clicks with you and it worthy of investing a little bit more time and then you can develop some type of relationship in your own bed. Its all a time versus money numbers game.[/QUOTE]Absolutely, this is sage advice. Time vs Money just like everything else in life. From the perspective of this non-resident, your 'put in effort' comment means not just doing a lot of sessions, but also learning some Porto, like ET said, knowing the onibuses for those times when the metro has already closed for the night, keeping your room stocked with some drinks, having an idea of what to do with the girl in off-hours other than fuck, and maybe bring in some Victoria's Secret stuff for wooing. You can't count on the girls to know any English or to know where they'd like to go for food, because most don't have any English skills and most don't know the areas of Centro or Zona Sul, except how to get to where they solicit and back to the bus stop. Most of the girls seem to be from 30+ minutes away, and sometimes they are from places like Minas Gerais and live in the back in the brothel, saving their money, have no real time off except for sleeping and don't know anything decent in Centro even though they, for all practical purposes, live there. And NO, PC-lurkers, they are not trafficked. The girls are there because they have babies from deadbeat Brasilian dads. They work for so long, then go home for a time and live off our money. Then when they run out, they come back to the city to earn more.

I recommend starting with Centro termas girls and not Centro prive/aparto girls. There must be a reason why a 8+/10 Copa termas quality girl worthy of takeout chooses to work Centro apartos for low money, and that reason is most likely because she has nighttime commitments (or herpes..reality check!). I think Centro termas is the place to start for the more advanced/bored/frugal monger wanting to try takeout from Centro. Non-frequent or first time visitors are better served staying in Copa and hitting Luomo/MC and Balcony and doing the same thing easier at higher prices. They can save money in between visits, no problem.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent;1135480]Definitely worth checking out. Several girls here told me they used to work at 4x4 but get suspended for not showing up or coming in late too many times. Management at 502 is not as strict and often girls who need a more flexible schedule or are waiting out a suspension will show up there.[/QUOTE]

Yes! R$120/40 and the environment in the boite is better than anyplace else that I know of, lots of dancing, etc. My experiences last month were good. I just randomly selected a girl there and she was worth my repeats (find a married girl there if you can, they are there for the sex and the money is a fringe benefit) and 502 made me give up on Club Florida, need I say more...

[QUOTE=Rovnak;1135392] Not sure if Carioca prives are open Saturday.[/QUOTE]

Bel Prazer is open 10-3 Sat and is nearby. [url]www.belprazer.com[/url] Sessions there are usually good, special services are not hard to come by. I have done Bruna anal but must advise that her cu is prettier than her face. Betina is reputed to do anal but I haven't experienced her, so can't vouch for it.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1135359]The number of GP's on "ho-beach" have been very low since Help closed. However, yesterday there were at least 25 GP's in front of Othon palace. They were quite busy with a large number of american soldiers.[/QUOTE]Those gals are leftovers from Carnaval.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1135359]The number of GP's on "ho-beach" have been very low since Help closed. However, yesterday there were at least 25 GP's in front of Othon palace. They were quite busy with a large number of american soldiers.

Obama will stay at Marriot.

? [/QUOTE]This is good. The Mariott is GDP friendly. Tell Obama if they stop him it is OK. They will just make her sign in and they will not charge for her.

Hi all,

It seems the websites from karlamodels and scortshow are down today (Sunday). Anyone knows more? Is it perhaps just temporary maintenance?

Dutch44

[QUOTE=Rovnak; 1135392]Left at 5pm, walked to see the Luciana Massagens, Cacao models (same group) , and Ju Panteras in Rua Bento Lisboa. I sort of felt like I was back in Russia, hunting blindly for the door in a big bldg. I tried to call Ju Panteras, but there was no answer and I only had a note "4th floor". I figured ok, must be a comercial bldg, can't be that many offices on 4th floor. Wrong. Its a big residential bldg with about 50 apartments per floor. I get to 4th floor and am not even sure I am in the right part of the bldg, be / see there were several entrances to the bldg. I say 'f this' and go to the 6'th floor, at least I had a room number for Cacao Models. I went to their door. Again, simple apt. I buzzed, no answer. Some semi-attractive girl comes up hallway from some other location. I say "Cacao Models?","Sim, who do you want to see?". I said, I want a presentacao. She said "there is no presentacao, everything is reservation"."Book?"."No book"."Who is here now?"."Me and (she introduces another girl)." Neither are worth it. So we chat a bit, and I say "Do you know Ju Panteras?"."Yes. 4th floor"."Do you know the room number?" "No". Then just as I am about to leave, a 3rd girl (Rebecca) shows up, and she does know the room number for Ju Panteras. Rebecca is doable, but I decide to continue.

Return to the 4th floor. Find the room for JP. Girl answers door "who do you want to see?"."I want a presentacao". Finally she lets me in. Apartment is small railroad style corridor with small rooms. Only 2 girls. The door answerer Priscila (aka Fernanda) and another unattractive girl. Priscila is ok, corresponds to her foto, tho it was hard to assess corpo under her loose dress. I decided to continue journey. [/QUOTE]I went to Largo do Machado last Friday. A big disappointment.

I went to Rua Bento Lisboa. 184. First I tried Luciana Massagens in sala 609. The girl that opened told me they only worked by appointment and only one more girl was available right then. Nothing interesting.

Then I went down to sala 314 which is supposed to have a privê. It seemed to be closed.

Finally I started looking for Jú Panteras. I only knew that it was located on the fourth floor, but I had no sala number. I couldn't start knocking on 26 salas to find the right door so I went down to ask the fat porteiro. He turned out to be a real a-hole. He informed me, with a big smile, that he never heard about a privé in that building and even if he had he would never tell me as it would be against the rules. I tried to call three different numbers to Jú Panteras, but no answer. I asked the guys working in the cabellereiro next door. They all knew about sala 614 but nobody could tell the sala number for Jú Panteras.

A bit sad as I wanted to try Teka / Ingrid (even though she got quite bad reviews at Gpguia).

[url]http://www.jupanteras.com/meninas/teka/teka.htm[/url]

No need for crying. A short metro ride to Carioca and I was soon in one of my favourite privês.

BTW Rovnak, it would be great if you could tell the sala number for Jú Panteras?

From my notebook:-

Ju Panteras 3902-5843 Rua Bento Lisboa 184 Sala 1021 Largo do Machado [url]http://jupanteras.com[/url]

I can't remember it being on the fourth floor. I was there maybe 2 weeks ago. When you leave the elevator you take a left then head to the end of the corridor and it is the last door on your right.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1136076]From my notebook:-

Ju Panteras 3902-5843 Rua Bento Lisboa 184 Sala 1021 Largo do Machado.

[url]http://jupanteras.com[/url]

I can't remember it being on the fourth floor. I was there maybe 2 weeks ago. When you leave the elevator you take a left then head to the end of the corridor and it is the last door on your right. [/QUOTE]I screwed this post up. When you leave the elevator you leave to the right and then go right again. Ju's is towards the end of the corridor on the right. I think it is the second last door on the right.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1136076]From my notebook:-

Ju Panteras 3902-5843 Rua Bento Lisboa 184 Sala 1021 Largo do Machado.

[url]http://jupanteras.com[/url][/QUOTE]Sala 1021. Thank you mestre Bubba. I just heard it was sala 423, but that must be old info.

I went to Tigresastijucanas today again. It was very busy already at 10 AM. Marcele, 19 year old mulatta with wonderful tits, gave top-class service (she doesn't have her photos on the site because of the risc of her family discovering her profession). Well invested R$50.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1136242]Sala 1021. Thank you mestre Bubba. I just heard it was sala 423, but that must be old info.

I went to Tigresastijucanas today again. It was very busy already at 10 AM. Marcele. 19 year old mulatta with wonderful tits, gave top-class service (she doesn't have her photos on the site because of the risc of her family discovering her profession). Well invested R$50. [/QUOTE]She actually did have her photos on the site until this week. She is hot. Does anal for an extra R$20! Good choice Sperto.

Did you see rafaela in the line up there? She is new and judging by her photos looks like my type.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1136064]I went to Largo do Machado last Friday. A big disappointment.

I went to Rua Bento Lisboa. 184. First I tried Luciana Massagens in sala 609. The girl that opened told me they only worked by appointment and only one more girl was available right then. Nothing interesting.

Then I went down to sala 314 which is supposed to have a privê. It seemed to be closed.

Finally I started looking for Jú Panteras. I only knew that it was located on the fourth floor, but I had no sala number. I couldn't start knocking on 26 salas to find the right door so I went down to ask the fat porteiro. He turned out to be a real a-hole. He informed me, with a big smile, that he never heard about a privé in that building and even if he had he would never tell me as it would be against the rules. I tried to call three different numbers to Jú Panteras, but no answer. I asked the guys working in the cabellereiro next door. They all knew about sala 614 but nobody could tell the sala number for Jú Panteras.

A bit sad as I wanted to try Teka / Ingrid (even though she got quite bad reviews at Gpguia).

[url]http://www.jupanteras.com/meninas/teka/teka.htm[/url][/QUOTE]When in Rio, do as the Cariocas do: For heaven's sake stick to the rules.

I am really worried. Every day a different set of gringos stumbling all over the building, looking and asking for wh. Re houses, tipping of the neighbors, bothering the door man, and creating ill will for the massage parlor.

Sperto at least is not clue-less, imagine the damage a group of loud trash talking drunk gringos can do.

Loudly talking indecent whoring issues in English believing nobody understands what they talk.

Next thing, another set of wh. Re houses will be closed, due to neighbor's complaints.

10 years ago Newscort, scortshow, karlamodels, everyone had prives. All got closed down, because neighbors don't like living next to brothels.

And then the only option is to pay R$ 60 for a motel, and you have no other option then to order a girl ahead of time.

Why don't you go to scortshow and try to knock at their door? Not too hard to find out the building.

Going straight to scort show is just as taboo as knocking at jupanteras without an appointment. When in Rome do as the Romans do. And when in Rio, do as the Cariocas do.

These agencies have different apartments, when you make your appointment they will tell you which apartment to go to.

Why do you think they don't publish their address in their web sites? Because they don't want you to show up unannounced. And they don't want their neighbors to Google their address and find they live next door to a wh. Ore house.

If you can not do the rules, stick to tourist traps like Barbarella. Or VM, where nothing is secret, nobody is hiding from the neighbors.

In VM and similar places, people who violate rules are beaten, sometimes even killed. Security is in the hand of milicia, mafia, off duty police goons, etc. If you don't stick to the rules in VM, mafia probably will spare you a serious beating, giving you credit for being a clueless gringo. But if they tell you to get lost and not come back, better heed their advice. Or even better, be well informed, well guided, and well behaved so you don't get in trouble in the first place.

Last time I published about some agencies, someone warned me I should not have done it. They were probably right.

I often take people with me to places I go to. Not only people who rent my rooms but often just other foreigners. A few will insist on not keeping to rules, skimping on R$ 5 beers, etc. These are usually the same guys who plunk down R$ 500 at a terma, but then are too cheap to pay R$ 5 or 10 even though they groped a few girls.

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I wonder what is wrong with Teka at jupanteras. I did her a year ago and she was great. But girls get older and more seasoned.

I went to jupanteras today. The only interesting one was Keyla (I thought, from the photos). I made an appointment, saw her, found I was very mistaken and backed out. They charge me a R$ 10 fee. Well, better paying R$ 10 then f. Cking a dog.

Polyana is wonderful, highly praised in all boards. Did her before, and will repeat (I rarely repeat).

The few times I have been there, there have always been Brazilian guys knocking on the door looking for a presentation. It is not just gringos. I know they want everyone to book but the realty is many people turn up and just knock. I don't think it is fair that Brazilspecialist says gringos are loud. Possibly drunk etc. In my experience the local Brazilian guys are way louder, way pushier and generally cause a much bigger scene than 95% of gringos. I frequent mostly Brazilian only clubs now and it is a much harder environment!

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1136247]She actually did have her photos on the site until this week. She is hot. Does anal for an extra R$20! Good choice Sperto.

Did you see rafaela in the line up there? She is new and judging by her photos looks like my type. [/QUOTE]Marcele didn't do anal yesterday as she wasn't "prepared". I didn't see Rafaela yesterday, but I saw her last week. She was my first choice until Natasha presented herself with her impressive tits.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist; 1136321]When in Rio, do as the Cariocas do: For heaven's sake stick to the rules.

Why do you think they don't publish their address in their web sites? Because they don't want you to show up unannounced. [/QUOTE]Most privês don't show their address in classificados or on their site. The main reason isn't because they don't want you to show up unannounced. They are discreet establishments, sometimes located in residential buildings or office buildings. Also they don't want a lot of guys just showing up to take a peak withou having a session and waste their time. Privês are different from BA85 etc.

Normally it's no problem at all just showing up without an appointment, see their girls and maybe have a session. Of course there are a few exceptions where they might insist on you making an appointment, e g Luciana Massagens.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1134240]Given your background, I think Rio would (mildly) disappoint you as a sex destination. Its a great city, but isn't ideal for what you described. If you interview in Jakarta for gems the way that people do in Brasil, I know from experience that you'll find Indon girls in the Blok and in Kota that will do everything that's ever been posted in this Rio thread, with equal dedication and at half the price. Jakarta seems like your best option, especially considering your lower costs to get there. BTW, the 'best places for STR thread' is the most appropriate place for this discussion.[/QUOTE]Thanks very much for the insight, Puta Playa (and for the tip on the ST thread, which ought to get more attention). I'm still on the fence, in large part due to the recent posts on privês. The girls on those sites and the escort sites like Karla look amazing, and the prices seem reasonable. Can I assume a lot of that is Photoshop magic, or is the quality actually rather good? I have been doing a lot of looking at the photo galleries for Indonesia and Brazil, and have to say that, except for the incomparable Brazilian bunda and tan lines, the Indon girls hold their own. (And to my eye, based on experiences in Colombia, Philippines, and a few other places, there's a fine line between the facial beauty of Latinas and SE Asian girls. It's really hard to tell the difference sometimes).

A more practical matter: since my trip would coincide with holy week and Easter, would most places (of all varieties. Privês, thermas, clubs) have reduced hours of operation and fewer girls? Transportation headaches are also a concern. I'd prefer to spend time in Rio as a city over Jakarta, but would holy week be the nail in the coffin of this trip as far as some travel / lodging outside of the city?

Thanks also to Mr. Enternational; I agree that there are tons of things to do in Thailand, but I know that some people I know who would hear of a strictly Thailand trip would draw the wrong (but actually very correct) conclusions about the goal of my visit!

[QUOTE=Ibn Buttita; 1136577]Thanks very much for the insight, Puta Playa (and for the tip on the ST thread, which ought to get more attention). I'm still on the fence, in large part due to the recent posts on privês. The girls on those sites and the escort sites like Karla look amazing, and the prices seem reasonable. Can I assume a lot of that is Photoshop magic, or is the quality actually rather good? I have been doing a lot of looking at the photo galleries for Indonesia and Brazil, and have to say that, except for the incomparable Brazilian bunda and tan lines, the Indon girls hold their own. (And to my eye, based on experiences in Colombia, Philippines, and a few other places, there's a fine line between the facial beauty of Latinas and SE Asian girls. It's really hard to tell the difference sometimes).

A more practical matter: since my trip would coincide with holy week and Easter, would most places (of all varieties. Privês, thermas, clubs) have reduced hours of operation and fewer girls? Transportation headaches are also a concern. I'd prefer to spend time in Rio as a city over Jakarta, but would holy week be the nail in the coffin of this trip as far as some travel / lodging outside of the city?

Thanks also to Mr. Enternational; I agree that there are tons of things to do in Thailand, but I know that some people I know who would hear of a strictly Thailand trip would draw the wrong (but actually very correct) conclusions about the goal of my visit! [/QUOTE]I really like reading your posts. Insightful. At this point and time my focus is on south america (Brazil in particular).

I am heading down for 2 weeks in early April and would like to know some of the best hotels / motels to stay at in Rio, Sao Paulo and Salvador that is in the heart for the best action.

Thailand will be my focus next year. And looking forward to heading east. Once this is complete, I to will be able to make comparisons either way!

Looking forward to any info / suggestions!

In Rio I would avoid the hotels. The exchange rate is horrible. You can get a really nice apartment in Rio for half the price.

[QUOTE=Ibn Buttita; 1134165]I'm planning one last major mongering bender in mid April (10-14 days).

(One factor: I have to justify the trip as tourism, so for example a strictly Bangkok trip would definitely raise red flags). Here goes:

Brazil (Rio) – Cost to travel about $1400 – Pros: I generally love Latinas and tan lines and diverse looks, and what I hear about Brazilian girls in bed (confirmed at an FKK and LMP) ; Cons: I would be there around and during holy week; Termas seem expensive and exchange rate to dollar not great; No Portuguese but I've managed with no Spanish in other countries and so maybe can fake it; Been there once (pre mongering days) and want to do non-mongering activities but trip not long enough to see lots of Brazil.
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I don't know if this helps, but compared to the other places you mention I think one downside of Brasil is that, even for an experienced monger, your first time there you are more of a 'newbie' than in places like Manila, Bangkok, Hong Kong, FKK or LMP. 10-14 days is not very long, also considering the amount of hassle involved. I think Puta Playa did a 'how to do Rio in a few days' post a while back, as others have. But it is no cake walk. Would suggest lots of research and very clear (but adaptable) plans.

[quote]Macau, Changping, Hong Kong (with possible Bangkok layover). Cost to Travel $1000 to $1400 – Pros:; like the idea of trying KTV and Chinese saunas; Can visit a relative in Macau so I have a good pretext to go; Want to go now before scene gets shut down or too pricey; Bangkok layover chance a big plus. Cons: US visa issue, no Chinese language, Macau saunas seem a bit pricey, lots of reports about Chinese girls being too mechanical, though I have contradictory experience in KL and elsewhere. . .[/quote]Not as big a scene as RJ, BKK or MNL but much more straightforward. If you stay in HK mainland rather than the expensive island itself you can get reasonable hotels, yellow-sign parlours, or genteel 'streetwalkers' with nearby apartments. ANd plenty of cultural diversity once you look for it (ignoring the determined tourist-programming that hits as soon as you step foot in there).

[quote]Jakarta – Cost to travel $650 – Pros: Wild girls (threesomes) at Jakarta places, prices seem fair, would like to visit Sumatra so Jakarta a good launch point. Cons: Been to Jakarta and didn't love the city, and that seems like the only place to really monger on the trip; Indo girls nice, but may want more diversity[/quote]I've been a couple of times and hated the place, but PP seems to know his stuff there and I would probably take his advice if I went back. You can get short flights to Bali, BKK or Singapore from there if you don't like it. (depending on taste, but Singapore-Geylang is the no-fuss option).

[quote]Other options: Colombia, Manila: been to both places recently, great sex / price, but don't have lots of time to see new parts of country to justify going.[/quote]Plus, it has to be said, Manilia is a bit of a shit hole. If you can get out to the nicer places (I liked the floating bars area near Subic Bay) it has much to offer, but getting around can be either a hassle or expensive due to the fairly dire infrastructure.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HelpRules;1136800]In Rio I would avoid the hotels. The exchange rate is horrible. You can get a really nice apartment in Rio for half the price.[/QUOTE]Please elaborate in the hotel / apartment thread. Granted hotels are now R$240+ per day, but where are you finding "really nice aparments" for R$120? I am sure I am not the only one who would like to know.

[QUOTE=Ibn Buttita; 1136577]I'm still on the fence, in large part due to the recent posts on privês.

A more practical matter: since my trip would coincide with holy week and Easter, would most places (of all varieties. Privês, thermas, clubs) have reduced hours of operation and fewer girls? Transportation headaches are also a concern. I'd prefer to spend time in Rio as a city over Jakarta, but would holy week be the nail in the coffin of this trip as far as some travel / lodging outside of the city? [/QUOTE]If transportation headaches are a concern, Rio privês and Jakarta in general are not for you. Privês require you to take subway / bus rides and a lot of walking to orient yourself to where you've landed, and walk all over to interview and find suitable GFE girls that provide good services like BBBJWCIM and anal. Take Tijuca Tigressas for an example. The first time, I walked all over that hill for a half hour questioning myself, and even stopped at an internet cafe to double check, before figuring out that yes, my note is correct and it really [i]is[/i] somewhere inside that damn parking garage..I don't expect a ho house to be inside a parking garage and thinking my note must be wrong. haha! Also, one of the apartos on Rio Branco is weird as well. The elevator stops one floor below and then you have to walk up a flight of stairs. Some people never figure that out and just leave. The mongering scene in Rio is big, but 95% of it is somewhat clandestine and geared toward the locals. You don't see a lot of girls selling, or any big flashing signs. For example, everyone here hits Luomo at some point. The place is buried upstair in a mall and you'd never know it existed unless someone told you. You could walk by and not even know it was one of the best little ho houses in Rio.

Jakarta in general is a whole different thing. Transportation nightmare during the daytime. The night isn't much better. Much, much harder than Rio.

Sounds like maybe the Phillipines is the place for you, if you've been there before, know it, etc. Your stated goal was to have one last big mongering trip, so perhaps you should focus on a place like PI with low cost, high quality, high volume sex and not worry about the allure of Rio as a city. Sugarloaf Mountain is cool, but you can't fuck it. And if you try to hump the base of Cristo Redentor during Holy Week they'll probably call in the BOPE. You're an experienced guy. Pick your favorite place from the past, and go back to that place that you already know if you want to have the best experience in a short time. Don't be misled by the exploits of people on this thread. Most of the contributors here have been to Rio multiple times before being comfortable enough to do things that they've posted. Some live there, some almost live there, most speak the language to some extent. It's not like the Brasil of 5 or more years ago when the girls were sometimes actually selling ass to afford food and lodging. That's the Brasil that made Brasil famous. Now people come and think it must be the sensual ways of the Brasilieras that made Rio famous as a P4P destination. I think it was the fact that the girls were truly poor until the last few years, and looked up to a ''rich gringo', routinely practiced unsafe sex due to ignorance or not caring, and usually wanted to stay over for the night. The girls were even wanting marriage to gringos. Not so any more. Now you have to make an effort and go after them, where they work, interview them, pretend you like them, etc.

Contrast that with Jakarta where you can just walk around a mall and be picked up by a 'student' who needs money, and she'll fuck you bareback, CIM or whatever you want, and hang out all afternoon. Brasilian girls don't chase gringos anymore, they let the gringos come to them. They think like business people and not poor people, cause they're no longer poor. Better of sticking with what you know....each time in a place tends to be better than the last.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1137089]Sounds like maybe the Philippines is the place for you, if you've been there before, know it, etc. Your stated goal was to have one last big mongering trip, so perhaps you should focus on a place like PI with low cost, high quality, high volume sex and not worry about the allure of Rio as a city.[/QUOTE]He's got a point. Whether you go to Manila or Angeles City. Very much a matter of taste as they are so different. But you can stay somewhere at reasonable cost and have as much pussy as you can lick your cream on from right on your doorstep. There are other areas of Philippines that appeal, but mostly on the scenic attractions (largely lacking in AC and MNL, although there are some). I don't know the islands that well, but if you want a paradise, [url=http://www.bluerocksubic.com/]Blue Rock[/url] Hotel up in Subic is pretty good and cheap as well. Apartment that fronts on to the beach, good food (including Australian steaks, and remember good food is not generally a speciality in Philippines!) , a floating bar with first class music, beer and you can take the waitresses if you want, or walk a hundred yards or so to the main strip for the usual MNL / AC-style babe bars. You can even ask the hotel to arrange a taxi from the airport probably if you don't want to get a bus. The taxi won't be cheap but it lets you have a bit of style getting away from the AC / MNL rat-race so to speak. . .

Anyway, good luck, whatever you decide!

[QUOTE=Exec Talent;1136980]Please elaborate in the hotel / apartment thread. Granted hotels are now R$240+ per day, but where are you finding "really nice aparments" for R$120? I am sure I am not the only one who would like to know.[/QUOTE]I am finding that the apartment market is high and the quality in Rio has gone with Club Help. Help's closure has given the apartment pool available to gringos wallet burn. I've been in Rio 5 times in 2009 and times in 2010, which gives me an idea of the apartment situation from researching where I would stay. Like termas and other Brazilian business people, as the renter pool shrink the price goes up. During the after the boom mongering days, many apartment owners are not upgrading or fixing wear and tear in apartments. I have inspected apartments with made beds of dirty linen, and bad plumbing with dirty floors and etc. Plus, you never know your neighbors, mongers, gdp, or possible crazies to criminals. So I've been happy with hotels.

The hotels I've been in have clean linen every morning or on demand. Maid service by professional maids with supervisors inspecting after the maids. Most apartment owners or middlemen either half clean the apartments themselves, or some friend. Imagine sitting on dirty apartment toilets, or a male or female who comes to your apartment to make your bed or change your linen after wiping their own ass.

Maybe I'm too funny. But I don't travel so far to live worse than I do at home. I like the smell of disinfectant when I walk into where I am temporary living. As for the gdp fee, when I add up the sheets and towels I use in my Rio 10-15 stay, it adds up money and time. So the gdp fee is a convenience trade off. Plus the free breakfast, and knowing there is in house security and door made who are not easily paid off by a gdp to stalk you.

Just my humble opinion. You get what you like and pay for.

[QUOTE=Ibn Buttita;1136577]Jakarta[/QUOTE]Jakarta is definitively the best option in SE Asia. The eye candy is really outstanding. You could see more gorgeous women there in a half hour then you will see in Bangkok or Manilla in one month. Indonesian girls are REALLY unique in their appearence, thanks to the Malay, Chinese, Indian and Dutch mixes.

Furthermore they are definitely the most easy going girls on the planet and a guy with "skills" can get more freebies than he can juggle with. If you're the kind of monger who plays the non-pro chase game, Indonesia is the place to be (well, with FSU). Rio, AC or BKK are prostitution meccas only good if you appreciate wores who have had miles of cock.

Also Jakarta has one of the most vibrant nightlife in the world.

Jakarta freebies :

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[QUOTE]It's not like the Brasil of 5 or more years ago when the girls were sometimes actually selling ass to afford food and lodging. That's the Brasil that made Brasil famous. Now people come and think it must be the sensual ways of the Brasilieras that made Rio famous as a P4P destination. I think it was the fact that the girls were truly poor until the last few years, and looked up to a ''rich gringo', routinely practiced unsafe sex due to ignorance or not caring, and usually wanted to stay over for the night. The girls were even wanting marriage to gringos. Not so any more. Now you have to make an effort and go after them, where they work, interview them, pretend you like them, etc.[/QUOTE]2011, Copa and even centro is just a pale shade of it's better days. Some would even call it a joke. (Prices not even discussed). For those who know Rio very well, and put in the effort and do the footwork, fun can still be found.

- But why would you want to do that, if you are on vaccation to relax?

There are hiploads of places these days that offers more fun, better prices, better services and much easier access than Rio of 2011.

Of course you can chase the nonpro if that is your thing, but that you can do back home as well, right?

And also for the Brazilian pro girls, you have plenty of them now working in USA and Europe, just to pick easy.

IMHO, Rio is like the P4P Titanic, once a glorious big ship, and if not resting on the bottom of the ocean, there are very few lights from the deck that still is above the waterline.

Save your time, money and go elsewhere. (I know I will)

Best regards, Ken.

Ps: Puta, I was just as confused about the garage at Tigresa.

[QUOTE=Ken_Apples;1137723]There are hiploads of places these days that offers more fun, better prices, better services and much easier access than Rio of 2011.[/QUOTE]I've been living in Rio for 6 months now and I think Puta and you nailed it to a high degree. But I'm curious what places you think are more fun, better prices and better services? I've been to Thailand (BKK, Pattaya, Chang Mai, Phuket) and Germany's FKKs but I wouldn't say they have "better services". The GFE you can get in Brazil, even today, is better than I ever got in those places. Though I really enjoyed the FKKs. Anyway, love to learn more.

Ibn Buttita,

Another mongering spot is Tijuana, Mexico. The prices are VERY cheap. $20 / max on the street and around $60 for an hour for a club girl.

Plus you can always stay in San Diego, as most of us do and just take the trolley (public transportation) down to the border (30-45min ride from DT San Diego). Nobody knows you were in Mexico.

Right now Brazil is good for those with connections. I am there around every 4 months and know plenty of people. I know where to go and thus spend very little while in town (around 50 reais per day!). But for a newbie this frugal living would be impossible. Just go to Tijuana, enjoy yourself and have a good time.

I was there last month and enjoyed it.

SS

[QUOTE=Ken_Apples;1137723]Ps: Puta, I was just as confused about the garage at Tigresa.[/QUOTE]I passed by twice, scratching my head, before I found the entrance. The entrance is well hidden.

[QUOTE=Ken_Apples;1137723]... Rio is over.[/QUOTE]Yes, Rio is over. Everybody stay away! .

[QUOTE=Sperto;1137924]Yes, Rio is over. Everybody stay away! .[/QUOTE]So you can have it all to yourself, eh?

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca; 1137702]I am finding that the apartment market is high and the quality in Rio has gone with Club Help. Help's closure has given the apartment pool available to gringos wallet burn. I've been in Rio 5 times in 2009 and times in 2010, which gives me an idea of the apartment situation from researching where I would stay. Like termas and other Brazilian business people, as the renter pool shrink the price goes up. During the after the boom mongering days, many apartment owners are not upgrading or fixing wear and tear in apartments. I have inspected apartments with made beds of dirty linen, and bad plumbing with dirty floors and etc. Plus, you never know your neighbors, mongers, gdp, or possible crazies to criminals. So I've been happy with hotels.

The hotels I've been in have clean linen every morning or on demand. Maid service by professional maids with supervisors inspecting after the maids. Most apartment owners or middlemen either half clean the apartments themselves, or some friend. Imagine sitting on dirty apartment toilets, or a male or female who comes to your apartment to make your bed or change your linen after wiping their own ass.

Maybe I'm too funny. But I don't travel so far to live worse than I do at home. I like the smell of disinfectant when I walk into where I am temporary living. As for the gdp fee, when I add up the sheets and towels I use in my Rio 10-15 stay, it adds up money and time. So the gdp fee is a convenience trade off. Plus the free breakfast, and knowing there is in house security and door made who are not easily paid off by a gdp to stalk you.

Just my humble opinion. You get what you like and pay for. [/QUOTE]If you are going to Rio and you are renting apartment from rentaflatinrio. Com. When you get down there. They want you to sign a contract. Saying that you would not allow to bring vistors to the apartment for sexual purposes. 2. If you break rules, you agree to pay an extra fine R$2, 000. And any other fines issued by condominium, brazilian law enforcement. And need to be paid in cash within 24 hrs. There is a total of about 15 things the contract has on it. I don't know about other renting agency. HAS ANY BODY HEARD OF THIS?

[url]http://rentaflat.com.br/[/url]

This company long been known for being one of the stricter agencies out there. They have a long contract and will attempt to find you at fault for something!

Years ago they faked a high electrical reading to get money out of me. I was there for about a week to 10 days and my electric bill, according to them, was 200R. The guy claimed the meter (a circular one) had gone all the way around because I most have overused the utilities. This was total BS. I purposely used very little and now the reading showed I had barely used it. The meter had barely moved; which he read to mean it had circled around!

Then the rental guy attempted to blame me for a blue stain on the wall, which was caused by a blue blanket covering they had on the couch (the blanket obviously had been there for years and is still seen in pictures of this apartment on the site. But somehow the guy suddenly noticed it when checking me out. He supposedly decided to check behind the couch and low and behold, saw this stain! He tried to charge me and I got very angry.

Like many renters around the world, they keep a safety deposit and like many of these renters they attempt to keep as much of it as possible.

Stay away from them. Stick with the usual sites mentioned here on the ISG!

[url]http://rentaflat.com.br/[/url] Is NOT monger-friendly!

SS

[QUOTE=Sunset Strip; 1138030][url]http://rentaflat.com.br/[/url]

This company long been known for being one of the stricter agencies out there. They have a long contract and will attempt to find you at fault for something!

Years ago they faked a high electrical reading to get money out of me. I was there for about a week to 10 days and my electric bill, according to them, was 200R. The guy claimed the meter (a circular one) had gone all the way around because I most have overused the utilities. This was total BS. I purposely used very little and now the reading showed I had barely used it. The meter had barely moved; which he read to mean it had circled around!

Then the rental guy attempted to blame me for a blue stain on the wall, which was caused by a blue blanket covering they had on the couch (the blanket obviously had been there for years and is still seen in pictures of this apartment on the site. But somehow the guy suddenly noticed it when checking me out. He supposedly decided to check behind the couch and low and behold, saw this stain! He tried to charge me and I got very angry.

Like many renters around the world, they keep a safety deposit and like many of these renters they attempt to keep as much of it as possible.

Stay away from them. Stick with the usual sites mentioned here on the ISG!

[url]http://rentaflat.com.br/[/url]

Is NOT monger-friendly!

SS[/QUOTE]Sorry, I have used them many times before I got my own arrangements and they were always excellent. Reasonably priced, businesslike, fair, did meter readings while I was there so I could check, waived the deposit on all except my initial booking and waived that as well after I had haggled a bit. Also let me leave my stuff there on numerous occasions while I went to view as many flats as I wanted before deciding. I'd have no hesitation recommending them except if someone does know how to deal with Brasilians. As Brasilian rental agencies go, these are honest in my experience. I've never had to sign an anti-mongering contract - but there again, I don't look dodgy.

[QUOTE=Christopherd;1138048]Sorry, I have used them many times before I got my own arrangements and they were always excellent. Reasonably priced, businesslike, fair, did meter readings while I was there so I could check, waived the deposit on all except my initial booking and waived that as well after I had haggled a bit. Also let me leave my stuff there on numerous occasions while I went to view as many flats as I wanted before deciding. I'd have no hesitation recommending them except if someone does know how to deal with Brasilians. As Brasilian rental agencies go, these are honest in my experience. I've never had to sign an anti-mongering contract - but there again, I don't look dodgy.[/QUOTE]Christopherd,

A friend sent me this question today:

If you are going to Rio and you are renting apartment from rentaflatinrio. Com. When you get down there. They want you to sign a contract. Saying that you would not allow to bring vistors to the apartment for sexual purposes. 2. If you break rules, you agree to pay an extra fine R$2, 000. And any other fines issued by condominium, brazilian law enforcement. And need to be paid in cash within 24 hrs. There is a total of about 15 things the contract has on it. I don't know about other renting agency. HAS ANY BODY HEARD OF THIS

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca; 1138055]Christopherd,

A friend sent me this question today:

If you are going to Rio and you are renting apartment from rentaflatinrio. Com. When you get down there. They want you to sign a contract. Saying that you would not allow to bring vistors to the apartment for sexual purposes. 2. If you break rules, you agree to pay an extra fine R$2, 000. And any other fines issued by condominium, brazilian law enforcement. And need to be paid in cash within 24 hrs. There is a total of about 15 things the contract has on it. I don't know about other renting agency. HAS ANY BODY HEARD OF THIS[/QUOTE]Never heard of this, but the contract speaks about visitors, then even if I take a hooker, I can always say she is my girlfriend and we already planned to marry and even more. You bring a girl to your apartment not for a sexual purpose but to have her translate some stuff from your work and once the door is closed, even if she is moaning out loud, you can say it was the television. I do not see it as a problem this stupid contract, am I wrong?

Had some free time on Friday night hence went for a strategic Terma run. I haven't been to Cancun nor 4x4 in a while, a while being maybe 6 weeks. In fact haven't been doing enough mongering of late, have been busy doing other things. Anyway.

Cancun, got there at about 5pm, place was just filling up. 80% of girls were already there. Not many guys at this stage. I was there to basically just see all the talent. That is I planned a stay of 2 hours to catch the full roster of women. I love the facilities at Cancun, nice and new, however I have never had much luck with the talent there. I tend to find the look is kind of big average looking girls. The look I find unattractive. Having said this I have banged a lot of girls that have worked at Cancun, just haven't seen many hot girls when they were actually there. I guess the girls that I like don't do well at Cancun and leave in a short time. Ended up very dissappoined, not even a maybe for me. Paid R$50 for entrance which included 2 beers.

At 7pm arrived at 4x4. I love 4x4, just love sitting there and watching the happenings. It was actually less busy than normal, you could actually walk around without the need to push and shove people out of the way. It was nice not being pushed and shoved around as well. A bit of space was nice. What wasn't nice was the talent. I always tend to find 1 or 3 hot girls at 4x4. Tend to see a lot of average girls and below as well of course. This time I saw Katia, very hot, very popular for about 5 minutes before she was dragged upstairs. Apart from her really didn't see much else worth jumping on. No real super hotties there. Ended up staying for 3 hours and had about 4 beers, bill was R$86. Beers were Heineken at R$ 9 a pop. Is it just me or can't you buy cans there anymore for R$5? I checked my change very carefully as I have had problems with the receptionists there before. She very quickly gave me R$10 then very slowly another R$4. I don't mind tipping for great service but the cows, I mean receptionists, there get R$0 from me because of there bad thieving past. On the way out the security guy of course asks for a tip, I just look back at him on the way past and give him the WTF look. Yes I am getting grumpier in my old age.

[QUOTE=Lukasek;1138073]Never heard of this, but the contract speaks about visitors, then even if I take a hooker, I can always say she is my girlfriend and we already planned to marry and even more. You bring a girl to your apartment not for a sexual purpose but to have her translate some stuff from your work and once the door is closed, even if she is moaning out loud, you can say it was the television. I do not see it as a problem this stupid contract, am I wrong?[/QUOTE]Yes, that's just common sense, isn't it. I can only speak about what I've experienced. I've rented flats from them on B. Ribeiro, on Princesa Isabel, on Prado, and probably other places. So has a friend of mine. Unlike the places down near what used to be Help, Rent-a-flat has fixed (well more or less) prices. I always get on well with the young guy running the place (his dad is less on the ball). And it's very convenient if you just want to roll into town, get off the bus or Metro, and have a look round for a flat. I've been a few times since I sorted out my own private arrangements just to check prices for other people. But who knows, maybe he turned in his sleep last month or whatever. Like I said, I can only report what I know myself.

Dear fellow mongers,

It is my pleasure to send you a report from the city of Rio. Evening now, Saturday night. 25 degrees celsius (77F) , the city is humming and the smell of the sea (I'm close to the beach in Ipanema) fills the streets, mixed with the exhaust gases of the many yellow taxis and buses. In the last two days I've been to several tier 2 rated Termas in Centro, like Termas 502, T81, T21 and so on. See the Bubba Brazil Report for details. (BTW they close around 22h00 on Friday) to be honest, I would rate them tier 3. The stairs, rooms, hallway are simply so dirty that you wonder what kind of bacterial life forms they host. I'm quite sure some new, never discovered (and dangerous) species can be found there.

Anyway, I looked around and decided this was not my thing. So I headed to 4x4 on Rua Buenos aires 44 which was very close. I still think this is one of the very best Termas in Rio, possibly THE best. I got there around 22h00, Friday evening. It was not as busy as usual. Perhaps some 30 ladies and 30 guys only. Those numbers are usually at least double.

Anyway, I just hung around and looked at some of the ladies dancing. Man can they dance here, it seems all are born with samba genes. Those hips swing in a way I thought physically impossible. That night the majority were big bunda girls, which is not my thing. By big I mean huge asses actually. Obesity is on the rise world-wide, including Brasil. Too bad for me. I like them thin.

Anyway, my eyes spotted a dark skinned garota dancing with such skill and energy that I could not miss it. She was gorgeous, thin, beautiful hips, eyes, a body made in heaven. To me she looked somewhat like Halle Berry. Since it had gotten rather late (4x4 really slows down after 23h00) I decide to ask her what she was doing after the closing hours. To cut a long story short, for 300R she spent the night with me (Cab was 30R from centro to Ipa) Incredible experience. I do not know if it was me, but when we were finished making love and she was sleeping beside me, I could have sworn I spent the night with Halle Berry in the wildest "cat women" version. Jeez, where else but in Rio. Gems can still be found. It is getting harder, but still possible.

Today (Saturday) was Escort day. I first contacted scortshow. I choose Dafne. Well I can only say: GREAT! Looks=7 to 8, service = 8+ (on a scale from 1-10) Recommended. Quality really varies with these escort agencies. You can end up with a (bored) girl that rushes things, or you could end up with a total pleasurable GFE. Dafne has a beautiful slim body and is quite tall (1m70) I asked her who else she could recommend. She mentioned Maise. I do not know her, but she said Maisa has a nice personality. (blond. 22 years. 1m67) On the scortshow site Maisa looked great BTW.

At these lower cost escort agencies (scortshow, karlamodels and starcris) you have about a 50-50 percent chance to find a really nice girl. So it takes a little perseverance, but the reward can be there. The price is great too. Basically 120R for 2 hours in your hotel / apartment. Thats just 50 Euro. Add to that taxi costs which is another 30-50R. (12-20 Euro) Anyway there is plenty info on this forum regarding those agencies. Please do note that some hotels do charge extra if you take a girl to the room (typically 50-80R). Some non GFE friendly hotels refuse. Thats why I prefer an apartment.

So there it is. All have fun and stay safe (and wear your rubbers)

Dutch44

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1138096]At 7pm arrived at 4x4. I love 4x4, just love sitting there and watching the happenings. It was actually less busy than normal, you could actually walk around without the need to push and shove people out of the way. It was nice not being pushed and shoved around as well. A bit of space was nice. What wasn't nice was the talent.....[/QUOTE]I got in around 22h00, may have seen you without knowing it was you. 4x4 talent is less than 2009/2010 (from what I remember). One of the things I observe in Brasil is that obesity is hitting the GDP's hard. A large ass is one thing, but if everything becomes big and fat I run the other way. Pity, girls here used to look like photo-models, but that is getting less nowadays.

Dutch44

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1138096]Had some free time on Friday night hence went for a strategic Terma run. I haven't been to Cancun nor 4x4 in a while, a while being maybe 6 weeks. In fact haven't been doing enough mongering of late, have been busy doing other things. Anyway.

Cancun, got there at about 5pm, place was just filling up. 80% of girls were already there. Not many guys at this stage. I was there to basically just see all the talent. That is I planned a stay of 2 hours to catch the full roster of women. I love the facilities at Cancun, nice and new, however I have never had much luck with the talent there. I tend to find the look is kind of big average looking girls. The look I find unattractive. Having said this I have banged a lot of girls that have worked at Cancun, just haven't seen many hot girls when they were actually there. I guess the girls that I like don't do well at Cancun and leave in a short time. Ended up very dissappoined, not even a maybe for me. Paid R$50 for entrance which included 2 beers.

At 7pm arrived at 4x4. I love 4x4, just love sitting there and watching the happenings. It was actually less busy than normal, you could actually walk around without the need to push and shove people out of the way. It was nice not being pushed and shoved around as well. A bit of space was nice. What wasn't nice was the talent. I always tend to find 1 or 3 hot girls at 4x4. Tend to see a lot of average girls and below as well of course. This time I saw Katia, very hot, very popular for about 5 minutes before she was dragged upstairs. Apart from her really didn't see much else worth jumping on. No real super hotties there. Ended up staying for 3 hours and had about 4 beers, bill was R$86. Beers were Heineken at R$ 9 a pop. Is it just me or can't you buy cans there anymore for R$5? I checked my change very carefully as I have had problems with the receptionists there before. She very quickly gave me R$10 then very slowly another R$4. I don't mind tipping for great service but the cows, I mean receptionists, there get R$0 from me because of there bad thieving past. On the way out the security guy of course asks for a tip, I just look back at him on the way past and give him the WTF look. Yes I am getting grumpier in my old age. [/QUOTE]This reminds me of the two garotas that work at the front desk of Solarium. Always asking for a tip on the way out. Give me a break! A tip for what? For taking my money and putting it in their cash register?

I can't stand it when they do that. I just give themthe WTF look as well. I even speak to them in Porto, so its not like they are translating anything for me, and doing me any favors. They must have nothing to lose by asking, cause I am sure some baffoon tourists have tipped them in the past. Believe me, I highly doubt any Brazilian would tip them.

[QUOTE=Mangera; 1138150]This reminds me of the two garotas that work at the front desk of Solarium. Always asking for a tip on the way out. Give me a break! A tip for what? For taking my money and putting it in their cash register?

I can't stand it when they do that. I just give themthe WTF look as well. I even speak to them in Porto, so its not like they are translating anything for me, and doing me any favors. They must have nothing to lose by asking, cause I am sure some baffoon tourists have tipped them in the past. Believe me, I highly doubt any Brazilian would tip them. [/QUOTE]4x4, Cancun and T502 have tip beggars. At 4x4 an older morena locker room attendant passed me a note for a tip. At Cancun the girls near the 3rd floor showers begged for tips, and at T502 the girls at the desk and the fat guy at the entrance begged for tips. Just give them what you want or nothing at all. The beg Americans for times because we brought that customs overseas with us. We in the US are taught to tip. As a waitress my more raised 5 kids with her tips, and she told me to tip. When I travel it's a insurance that I get favors when I want. If you tip the older glasses wearing brown skin woman in the locker room, she'll run in the rain to give you your dropped wallet like she did my buddy. Or give you your credit card that you leave at the cashier like she did me. Give them something, but I don't give beggars anything. But for brazilians they don't get tips from brazilians, so they are awkward and annoying with their begging.

I tip in Rio even though it may not be the norm or the local custom. It has been repaid to me many times over because of the as good will established and friendship between the requestor and me. For example, at the hotel, I left the safe open once with over BR2000, $500, credit cards, passport out in the open from early in the morning till I came home from my trip downtown. Nothing was missing.

At the termas. 4 X 4 more than once I've misplaced my keys, forgot to lock my locker, left the keys at the bar, left the keys at the sauna, left the keys at the room, and so on (Yes, I am very forgetful at times). The workers always seem to find me and return my misplaced stuff and not once have they tried to get over by trying to charge things on my account. Now, they will ask if they can have a soda, buy them a burger, whatever; for what they have saved me from I've always said no problem to them.

Just try and treat these people with some courtesy and respect and believe me, what comes back your way will be worth much more than a few reals or a drink or a snack. It might be priceless.

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca;1138167]4x4, Cancun and T502 have tip beggars. At 4x4 an older morena locker room attendant passed me a note for a tip. At Cancun the girls near the 3rd floor showers begged for tips, and at T502 the girls at the desk and the fat guy at the entrance begged for tips. Just give them what you want or nothing at all. The beg Americans for times because we brought that customs overseas with us. We in the US are taught to tip. As a waitress my more raised 5 kids with her tips, and she told me to tip. When I travel it's a insurance that I get favors when I want. If you tip the older glasses wearing brown skin woman in the locker room, she'll run in the rain to give you your dropped wallet like she did my buddy. Or give you your credit card that you leave at the cashier like she did me. Give them something, but I don't give beggars anything. But for brazilians they don't get tips from brazilians, so they are awkward and annoying with their begging.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1; 1138333]I tip in Rio even though it may not be the norm or the local custom. It has been repaid to me many times over because of the as good will established and friendship between the requestor and me. For example, at the hotel, I left the safe open once with over BR2000, $500, credit cards, passport out in the open from early in the morning till I came home from my trip downtown. Nothing was missing.

At the termas. 4 X 4 more than once I've misplaced my keys, forgot to lock my locker, left the keys at the bar, left the keys at the sauna, left the keys at the room, and so on (Yes, I am very forgetful at times). The workers always seem to find me and return my misplaced stuff and not once have they tried to get over by trying to charge things on my account. Now, they will ask if they can have a soda, buy them a burger, whatever; for what they have saved me from I've always said no problem to them.

Just try and treat these people with some courtesy and respect and believe me, what comes back your way will be worth much more than a few reals or a drink or a snack. It might be priceless. [/QUOTE]I agree Voyajer1!

My point was that tipping is fine, however, a tip is well earned when they actually do something to earn it. Those two ladies in the front desk at Solarium don't do a darn thing to deserve any kind of tip. I am sure they are wll compensated, they handle lots of money and transaction. I am sure they are well trusted by management (very top) , hence get good pay.

I have spoken to them 2 ladies in front desk) quite a bit, and they have done their fair share of travel out of the country, so its safe to say they are not dirt poor. That being said, if they actually did something out of the ordinary, I would tip them.

BTW, as for the older black lady who works at 4 x 4, I have been tipping her for years. Even during her days at Luomo's. She goes out of her way to make sure I am comfortable with robes and sandals, etc. I gladly tip her. It all comes down to whether they do some out of the norm or at least attempt to do something to earn it. Same thing applies to the working girls. Just my 2 cents.

I agree tipping is fine when someone actually does something for it. The security guards at Termas and some Boates that stick their hands out for a tip are something else. Even the Brazilian guys complain on gpguianet about the guy at 4x4 and the fat security guard at 502. These guys ask for a tip very aggressively and are relentless. They deserve nothing but contempt!

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1138411]I agree tipping is fine when someone actually does something for it. the Brazilian guys complain on gpguianet about the guy at 4x4 and the fat security guard at 502. They deserve nothing but contempt![/QUOTE]About 502, no one is worse than the woman who works (or worked) the till. When you were leaving she'd try to double-charge the 20 she got from you going in. Then, she either said she had no change, or if you paid in exact change, she'd ask for a tip. The worst.

I was in Rio the first few days of this month and used my ATM / Debit card TWICE at the HSBC bank on N. S. Copacabana near Francisco Sa. I'm very careful to guard my PIN. I tried using the same card here at home yesterday and today at 2 different restaurants and was declined so I tried a nearby ATM and was also declined. I called my bank and they told me the card was shut down because the PIN was entered incorrectly 3 times on the 22nd and 23rd (Tue. And Wed.) of this week. They said the card holder was present and the card was mag swiped but the PIN was entered incorrectly. I was no where near Rio on the 22nd and 23rd. Card canceled. New card ordered. This is just a heads up, watch your accounts closely after using your ATM / debit cards in Rio.

I think it is fair to say that other than a few bureaucrats, most members of this forum actually have worked for our money. We find it offensive when someone thinks they are entitled to compensation for just showing up and doing their jobs.

For those who have never ordered in food, it is interesting that many Brazilians do not tip the delivery person. I asked some of my well off friends about that and they gave me the "what the hell for" look. In the US, it would be so next time they don't spit in you food!

[QUOTE=Riofan6;1138468]I was in Rio the first few days of this month and used my ATM / Debit card TWICE at the HSBC bank on N. S. Copacabana near Francisco Sa. I'm very careful to guard my PIN. I tried using the same card here at home yesterday and today at 2 different restaurants and was declined so I tried a nearby ATM and was also declined. I called my bank and they told me the card was shut down because the PIN was entered incorrectly 3 times on the 22nd and 23rd (Tue. And Wed.) of this week. They said the card holder was present and the card was mag swiped but the PIN was entered incorrectly. I was no where near Rio on the 22nd and 23rd. Card canceled. New card ordered. This is just a heads up, watch your accounts closely after using your ATM / debit cards in Rio.[/QUOTE]I had my AMEX cloned at a restaurant, Faenza, at 18b Siqueira Campos in Copa (near Siqueira Grill). The cashier area is dark and I remember the cashier taking my card and instead of swiping it in front of me like is done at most restaurants she turned around and swiped it behind her. Shortly thereafter I got a call from AMEX that my card was being used all over Rio.

They must have caught the girl because when I went back to talk with the manager he was training a new cashier. Other than the card cloning the pizza and overall food is not good. Not recommended.

This video shows just how easy it is to capture the card data.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6X-_nKqAwk[/url]

[QUOTE=Mangera;1138403]BTW, as for the older black lady who works at 4 x 4, I have been tipping her for years.[/QUOTE]It is your money but back when you could smoke in 4x4 she always annoyed me with her sour looks and blowing smoke all over the area. I never did understand but she seemed to get a LOT of tips. I am sure she made more than many of the GDPs there. This is a very bad policy. GDPs should make the most money in a termas for many reasons paramount of which is that girls should want to do programs, not work in the locker room.

[QUOTE=Edward M;1138501]It is your money but back when you could smoke in 4x4 she always annoyed me with her sour looks and blowing smoke all over the area. I never did understand but she seemed to get a LOT of tips. I am sure she made more than many of the GDPs there. This is a very bad policy. GDPs should make the most money in a termas for many reasons paramount of which is that girls should want to do programs, not work in the locker room.[/QUOTE]I used to give her 10 reais myself. But that was back when it was only $2. 50 and not the $6 that it is today. At today's prices and exchange rate I would opt the Brazilian way. R$0.

I guess I am the only moger who got hit up for a tip by the girl who inputs your time upstairs when you choose a session. Twice, the black girl who scans your key when you select your session, has asked me for a tip! I gave her a small one because I didn't want her to rip me off on my time. I also got hit up for a tip by the girl who cleans the rooms, that was a first for me!

Sunday evening (March 27) :

It wasn't bad. A nice selection selection of Garotas and visitors. All in all some 200 people I guess. Last year when I visited Balcony the selection wasn't very good. Tonight the selection was fine. I think Balcony is getting better.

I saw several fine looking ladies and went with a tall (magra) dark skinned GDP. Her name was Rachel. She is very pretty and tall, an 8 to 9 in my eyes. (scale 1-10) The service was only 6+, but at least she enjoyed 20 minutes of DATY was very nice. For the rest it was rather standard, but not too bad. She was a little nervous and wanted money upfront. I reluctantly agreed. She was too pretty to refuse and I did not want to send her back. We agreed on 200R for 2 hours. She stayed 1. 5h. All in all, nice for once, but no repeat.

1 photo attached. (no face shown)

Enjoy,

Dutch44

[QUOTE=Bravo;1138548]I guess I am the only moger who got hit up for a tip by the girl who inputs your time upstairs when you choose a session. Twice, the black girl who scans your key when you select your session, has asked me for a tip! I gave her a small one because I didn't want her to rip me off on my time. I also got hit up for a tip by the girl who cleans the rooms, that was a first for me![/QUOTE]When in Brazil don't be afraid to say no to anybody asking for a tip, it is doubtful they will stiff you on your time etc, if they try this you need to stand up for your rights. It is like any other place in the world, if you reward bad behavior guess what you will get. MORE BAD BEHAVIOR.

Agree that the receptionisht at 502 is a sour dodgy hag that will give bad attitude and then ask for a tip. Always check your change at every establishment, many cashiers pocket money from the till and scam their own place of work.

Balcony have never been my choice of mongering, but I've been there twice the last weeks.

There have been a lot of people in Balcony on my two visits. The gringos (a mixed bunch of old, young and fat guys) seemed to be more interested in getting drunk than picking up girls.

There were plenty of girls. The oldest and most ugliest ones were hiding inside, where it's dark. The overall quality was very bad. Maximum of 20% were doable. It's amazing that some of these GPs manages to get customers.

I checked the price with some of the cute girls. Most of them wanted R$ 150. With a little effort all of them went down to between R$ 80-100. They were complaining a lot about how bad the business have become. I didn't bother to bring any GP back home. I get much better quality in centro.

Got a question for you pro's. My friend flaked on me for our trip to Rio but I'm thinking about going myself. Would any of you recommend a person going to Rio by themselves? I plan to stay in the tourists places and I'm really going to Rio just to monger at places like 4x4 etc. I also am going to try some t2 places in bubba's guide. Is it safe for me to go alone or should I wait until I can go with somebody? I don't speak port but I can speak very little spanish, enough to pick up a terma girl and take her home LOL. Any input would help, thanks

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1138737]Got a question for you pro's. My friend flaked on me for our trip to Rio but I'm thinking about going myself. Would any of you recommend a person going to Rio by themselves? I plan to stay in the tourists places and I'm really going to Rio just to monger at places like 4x4 etc. I also am going to try some t2 places in bubba's guide. Is it safe for me to go alone or should I wait until I can go with somebody? I don't speak port but I can speak very little spanish, enough to pick up a terma girl and take her home LOL. Any input would help, thanks[/QUOTE]Of course you can go to Rio by yourself; in fact, I'm sure that most mongers do exactly that. I have been to Rio 13 times, and 12 of those were by myself. However, for the sake of safety, at night take a taxi wherever you go, even if it is a short distance, and I mean door to door. And never walk on the beach at night, or walk in isolated places on the beach even in the daytime.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1138737]Got a question for you pro's. My friend flaked on me for our trip to Rio but I'm thinking about going myself. Would any of you recommend a person going to Rio by themselves? I plan to stay in the tourists places and I'm really going to Rio just to monger at places like 4x4 etc. I also am going to try some t2 places in bubba's guide. Is it safe for me to go alone or should I wait until I can go with somebody? I don't speak port but I can speak very little spanish, enough to pick up a terma girl and take her home LOL. Any input would help, thanks[/QUOTE]Your not a true monoger unitl you've been somewhere by yourself.

If this is your first time in Rio, then I would say stick to th Copacabana area, there are PLENTLY of other foreigners there also by themselves if you need to exchange note with someone.

Also, if you find a girl you really like, stick with her for a couple of days as a good way to have company and still enjoy yourself.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1136247]Did you see rafaela in the line up there? She is new and judging by her photos looks like my type.[/QUOTE]Bubba, I passed by Tigresas Tijucanas today. It was quite busy already at 10 AM.

Rafaela was in the line-up. Wooow! I picked her right away. R$50/30 min.

[url]http://tigresastijucanas.com/ensaios/rafaela/index.html[/url]

In reality Rafaela looks even better than in the photos on their site. She's extremely cute and have a gorgeous body with great tits. Gives an excellent service. I left Tigresas with a big smile.

What I heard she's new at Tijucanas (started 2 weeks ago) and one of the most popular girls. You just have to try her.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1138796]Bubba, I passed by Tigresas Tijucanas today. It was quite busy already at 10 AM.

Rafaela was in the line-up. Wooow! I picked her right away.

[url]http://tigresastijucanas.com/ensaios/rafaela/index.html[/url]

In reality Rafaela looks even better than in the photos on their site. She's extremely cute and have a gorgeous body with great tits. Gives an excellent service. I left Tigresas with a big smile.

What I heard she's new at Tijucanas (started 2 weeks ago) and one of the most popular girls. You just have to try her. [/QUOTE]I saw her last week, R$80 very well spent for the hour! In fact she is way better than anything I saw at Cancun or 4x4 on Friday night and at 1/3 the price, just can't beat that!

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1138672]Balcony have never been my choice of mongering, but I've been there twice the last weeks.

There have been a lot of people in Balcony on my two visits. The gringos (a mixed bunch of old, young and fat guys) seemed to be more interested in getting drunk than picking up girls.

There were plenty of girls. The oldest and most ugliest ones were hiding inside, where it's dark. The overall quality was very bad. Maximum of 20% were doable. It's amazing that some of these GPs manages to get customers.

I checked the price with some of the cute girls. Most of them wanted R$ 150. With a little effort all of them went down to between R$ 80-100. They were complaining a lot about how bad the business have become. I didn't bother to bring any GP back home. I get much better quality in centro. [/QUOTE]Hi Sperto,

Yesterday there were quite a few cuties I thought, not bad at all. Regarding the price, do you mean 80-100 R$ for 1 hour? It can't be TLN for so little. I usually pay 200R for TLN, but that depends on the time of night ofc.

Dutch44.

PS: somehow GDPs always complain about how bad the business is. I guess if their business is worse, ours usually gets better. (in terms of pricing)

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1138737]Got a question for you pro's. My friend flaked on me for our trip to Rio but I'm thinking about going myself. Would any of you recommend a person going to Rio by themselves? I plan to stay in the tourists places and I'm really going to Rio just to monger at places like 4x4 etc. I also am going to try some t2 places in bubba's guide. Is it safe for me to go alone or should I wait until I can go with somebody? I don't speak port but I can speak very little spanish, enough to pick up a terma girl and take her home LOL. Any input would help, thanks[/QUOTE]When will you be in Rio?

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1138737]Got a question for you pro's. My friend flaked on me for our trip to Rio but I'm thinking about going myself. Would any of you recommend a person going to Rio by themselves? I plan to stay in the tourists places and I'm really going to Rio just to monger at places like 4x4 etc. I also am going to try some t2 places in bubba's guide. Is it safe for me to go alone or should I wait until I can go with somebody? I don't speak port but I can speak very little spanish, enough to pick up a terma girl and take her home LOL. Any input would help, thanks[/QUOTE]I had the same thing happen to me on my virgin trip to Rio last year in which two of my friends cancelled last minute, they gave me a bullshit excuse about concerns with crime risk but reality it was probably because they were little light on the funds. I have already booked a return trip for the last two weeks of June if you are going to be around that time send me a pm if not just put out a travel announcement

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1138737]....Would any of you recommend a person going to Rio by themselves?....[/QUOTE]I went for the first time to Rio in January 2009 all alone, went back home in March, I went to south brazil and to Argentina and back to Rio again.

It happens nothing to me, but a lot of fun and many girls LOL.

Just do not be naive and dress with quite cheap clothes and shoes, no Rolex at all. And do not walk all alone in the middle of the night.

Do not worry and just go, cause I am sure you will have a lot of fun.

P. S. There are tons of mongers in Rio, some are really great guys, so you will probably will be alone only travelling there. Go and make your friends envy

Grandnash,

Just arrived in Rio this morning myself and am game to head out right now. Staying at jw Marriott in middle of copacabana. Totally new to Rio, but a competent wingman. Shoot back if you get this. Heading to sp tomorrow.

Ruff

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1138737]Got a question for you pro's. My friend flaked on me for our trip to Rio but I'm thinking about going myself. Would any of you recommend a person going to Rio by themselves? I plan to stay in the tourists places and I'm really going to Rio just to monger at places like 4x4 etc. I also am going to try some t2 places in bubba's guide. Is it safe for me to go alone or should I wait until I can go with somebody? I don't speak port but I can speak very little spanish, enough to pick up a terma girl and take her home LOL. Any input would help, thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dutch44; 1138863]Hi Sperto,

Yesterday there were quite a few cuties I thought, not bad at all. Regarding the price, do you mean 80-100 R$ for 1 hour? It can't be TLN for so little. I usually pay 200R for TLN, but that depends on the time of night ofc.

Dutch44. [/QUOTE]Some girls offered TLN and others a few hours.

Those of my friends who picks Balcony girls for TLN on a regularly basis pays R$100 for TLN. The girls seems satisfied as they often calls them afterwards to get more business.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1138672]Balcony have never been my choice of mongering, but I've been there twice the last weeks.

There have been a lot of people in Balcony on my two visits. The gringos (a mixed bunch of old, young and fat guys) seemed to be more interested in getting drunk than picking up girls.

There were plenty of girls. The oldest and most ugliest ones were hiding inside, where it's dark. The overall quality was very bad. Maximum of 20% were doable. It's amazing that some of these GPs manages to get customers.

I checked the price with some of the cute girls. Most of them wanted R$ 150. With a little effort all of them went down to between R$ 80-100. They were complaining a lot about how bad the business have become. I didn't bother to bring any GP back home. I get much better quality in centro. [/QUOTE]Thanks for the update. I should be there in 48 hours. Looking forward to it.

Is the action in front of Othon still good? Last report read, it seemed so. However, it was probably the leftovers from Carnival. Hope they are around.

[QUOTE=Dutch44; 1138563]Sunday evening (March 27) :

It wasn't bad. A nice selection selection of Garotas and visitors. All in all some 200 people I guess. Last year when I visited Balcony the selection wasn't very good. Tonight the selection was fine. I think Balcony is getting better.

I saw several fine looking ladies and went with a tall (magra) dark skinned GDP. Her name was Rachel. She is very pretty and tall, an 8 to 9 in my eyes. (scale 1-10) The service was only 6+, but at least she enjoyed 20 minutes of DATY was very nice. For the rest it was rather standard, but not too bad. She was a little nervous and wanted money upfront. I reluctantly agreed. She was too pretty to refuse and I did not want to send her back. We agreed on 200R for 2 hours. She stayed 1. 5h. All in all, nice for once, but no repeat.

1 photo attached. (no face shown)

Enjoy,

Dutch44[/QUOTE]I'm glad you had an OK time at Balcony. I admit that there can be a few winners in the mix, and people here seem to have luck there. But in my experience. Maybe been there 6 times since October. It's a pretty heinous place. And it's almost impossible to find "bargains" (R$200 and lower) unless you wait very late at night (or early AM, depending on your point of view. I mean like 3am+). Last time I was there in Feb, I stayed til 4AM and finally got a reasonable-looking black filly to come back for R$200 (she asked for R$400 to start and I laughed). It ended up being pretty bad as she asked for money up-front midway through the act, and I basically kicked her out (to her shock, but I paid her so she had no complaints).

It just seems like fishing in the Prives etc. If you have time is a better option, IMHO.

Found this one:

[url]http://xhamster.com/movies/488301/brazilian_couple_sex_tape.html[/url]

What do you think? Is this all private or does anyone recognize this place? Of course, I don't even know if it's in Rio, but after all it's clearly Brazilian.

Pyjama

[QUOTE=Pyjama; 1139390]Found this one:

[url]http://xhamster.com/movies/488301/brazilian_couple_sex_tape.html[/url]

What do you think? Is this all private or does anyone recognize this place? Of course, I don't even know if it's in Rio, but after all it's clearly Brazilian.

Pyjama[/QUOTE]Hope by the end Lassie got Timmy out of the well because after about 30 seconds I fell asleep. Only for those who don't think there is such a thing as bad porn.

[QUOTE=Amerioca;1139270]Is the action in front of Othon still good? Last report read, it seemed so. However, it was probably the leftovers from Carnival. Hope they are around.[/QUOTE]Eleven days ago there were at least 25 GP's on the beach in front of Othon Palace. This large number was just temporary. There were lots of americans who propably made part of the Obama crew. The GP's saw their chance of getting some business.

After Obama left there have been very few GP's on ho-beach. You're lucky if you find a dozen GP's on ho-beach.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent;1139435]Only for those who don't think there is such a thing as bad porn.[/QUOTE]I said nothing about the quality of this, I was just thinking of the place. If it was a brothel, and the girls were the GDPs it was a waste of time and money to go.

And I do know what Brazilian porn sex can be, private or P4P. So you are right, this was nothing special.

Pyj

[QUOTE]Grandnash,

Just arrived in Rio this morning myself and am game to head out right now. Staying at jw Marriott in middle of copacabana. Totally new to Rio, but a competent wingman. Shoot back if you get this. Heading to sp tomorrow.

Ruff[/QUOTE]Keep me posted on how It goes and the places you hit. I plan on traveling late may early June at the latest

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1138737]Got a question for you pro's. My friend flaked on me for our trip to Rio but I'm thinking about going myself. Would any of you recommend a person going to Rio by themselves? I plan to stay in the tourists places and I'm really going to Rio just to monger at places like 4x4 etc. I also am going to try some t2 places in bubba's guide. Is it safe for me to go alone or should I wait until I can go with somebody? I don't speak port but I can speak very little spanish, enough to pick up a terma girl and take her home LOL. Any input would help, thanks[/QUOTE]Sure, I've always gone by myself and managed to find friends either with a girl I hook up with (:D) or among my fellow mongers. Termas (as opposed to prives, clubs, or boates) seem to be a particularly good place for this as you get chances to socialize in a relatively quiet atmosphere rather than just walk in, transact business, and then leave.

Do be sure that you take a taxi at night both to and from wherever you want to go!

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1138737]Got a question for you pro's. My friend flaked on me for our trip to Rio but I'm thinking about going myself. Would any of you recommend a person going to Rio by themselves? I plan to stay in the tourists places and I'm really going to Rio just to monger at places like 4x4 etc. I also am going to try some t2 places in bubba's guide. Is it safe for me to go alone or should I wait until I can go with somebody? I don't speak port but I can speak very little spanish, enough to pick up a terma girl and take her home LOL. Any input would help, thanks[/QUOTE]I am not a pro but I did spend last night in a Holiday Inn Express. I have been to Rio twice and both times I went out alone. I recommend it. I have went to FKK's, Hong Kong, Sao Paulo and Montreal alone and I genarally always hobby alone. This way there is no one to judge my Hobby. The problem with Rio is the crime. My advice is to do your scouting before it gets dark. That is find Termas that you plan to attend, scope out the balconi and where you plan to take the girl if anb when you score. This way you are not fumbling around lost looking for the entrance to the Termas or privy and you are less of a target.

I'll bet it is easier to get an escort to come back to your room if you are alone?

After reading through the threads here and Bubba's excellent guide, I finally made it to Rio. I found the ATMs on the 3rd floor of the airport where there are 3-5 banks present. I made sure to use an ATM that had the Visa / MC logos. As mentioned by others here, Banco Brazil was reliable. I used a prepaid taxi from one of the booths at the airport exit which cost R$90 which seemed fixed and they accept credit cards. Th cab fare was probably more than a yellow cab, but was worth knowing that traffic and driver dishonesty wouldn't be an issue. It seems like we drove through some slum areas as the drive to Copa took about 45-60 minutes. After arriving at the hotel, I decided to get a local SIM card. There were a few stores a block or two in from Atlantico Ave. Claro wouldn't give me a prepaid SIM telling me I needed a CPF number and told me to go to the Central Police Station in Centro to apply for one. I decided to stop by TIM and they sold me a SIM card with my passport. There was a Oi SIM card store nearby, but I didn't stop there. The per minute rate for prepaid SIM calling is not cheap even for local calls, about R$1 a minute with free incoming calls. Both Claro and TIM stores had English speaking sales clerks which was helpful.

I was debating if I should try a Centro Terma or a Zona Sul Terma. Since it was getting close to sunset, I deceided to stay local. Just to try out my local SIM card, I tried calling a couple of escort agencies. Scortshow was the first one I tried. Unfortunately without a good command of Portugese, you really can't do much on the phone. I got the impression the girl I asked for wasn't working that day or was not available. Just as difficult communicating with the other agency. I would not recommend this for those with limited Portugese unless you can get a local native Portugese speaker to translate for you. Also it is a good idea to see if your hotel/apt is girl-friendly and/or if the girl needs to register first.

So after dinner, I took a nice walk over to Monte Carlo. I felt fairly safe walking along Ave Atlantico in the evening. However I don't know about walking around rest of Copa and would probably take a cab to Luomo or the other T1 Zona Sul Termas. After you enter MC, there is a reception desk where the clerk gives you a bracelet with your locker number and shows you a printed menu with the prices. The latest prices are 70+70+180. It seems like they upped the girl fee by R$10. The next room leads to the men's locker room where you change into a bathrobe and slippers. You can walk up a floor or take the elevator to the 2nd floor which is the men's shower + toilet. THe 3rd floor is where the bar is with all the girls. It is a small bar and I would say about 30 girls were present. The male:female ratio was about 1:3. The bar has a menu with all the drink prices, starting from R$4 for agua to R$12 for caipirinha to over R$100 for bottles of champagne. There was no pressure to buy a drink. Some girls will walk up to you and talk. Some speak pretty good English and others none at all. After being approached by 4-5 girls, I spotted a girl of my choosing and went over to talk to her. Unfortunately she spoke no English and so I tried to remember as much Portugese as I could and tried to communicate with her. We sat down on the seats for a little while and she let me caress her bunda and her legs and exchanged some light kisses. Since I knew conversation wasn't going anywhere, I asked her to go to the cabinee. We walked up to the 4th floor to get a room key. She took my locket bracelet and I waited for about 10 minutes. Another local monger was waiting too and he seemed like a regular saying Hi to many of the girls. Finally she returned after changing into lingerie and we headed for a room on the 5th floor. The room was very small with just a twin bed there. The performance was decent. She was not much into BBBJ, but when asked she performed it without any hesitancy. After multiple positions, I asked for greek and she obliged. I got the sense that she doesn't enjoy it but does it because customers request it or because a lot of other girls do it. After I was done, we stayed in the room and cuddled for a while. I didn't have enough energy for round 2 during a 40 minute session, so I just tried to relax. She told me she had worked at other termas mainly in Centro and most of her clients were locals and so she really hadn't learned English. I don't know if MC is mainly visited by locals or if there are more gringos as I didn't interact with the other men. As we were leaving the room, I asked her if she was working tomorrow and she said yes with a smile. I take it that she understood it to mean that I enjoyed being with her.

Hope to try some of the other termas in Zona Sul and possibly 4x4 during the daytime. Will have to squeeze in some sightseeing as well.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1139092]Some girls offered TLN and others a few hours.

Those of my friends who picks Balcony girls for TLN on a regularly basis pays R$100 for TLN. The girls seems satisfied as they often calls them afterwards to get more business. [/QUOTE]I have picked up of girl from the Balcony last week for 300 BRL but she was very very beautiful

[QUOTE=James Bond 007; 1139849]So after dinner, I took a nice walk over to Monte Carlo. I felt fairly safe walking along Ave Atlantico in the evening. However I don't know about walking around rest of Copa and would probably take a cab to Luomo or the other T1 Zona Sul Termas. After you enter MC, there is a reception desk where the clerk gives you a bracelet with your locker number and shows you a printed menu with the prices. The latest prices are 70+70+180. It seems like they upped the girl fee by R$10. The next room leads to the men's locker room where you change into a bathrobe and slippers. You can walk up a floor or take the elevator to the 2nd floor which is the men's shower + toilet. THe 3rd floor is where the bar is with all the girls. It is a small bar and I would say about 30 girls were present. The male:female ratio was about 1:3. The bar has a menu with all the drink prices, starting from R$4 for agua to R$12 for caipirinha to over R$100 for bottles of champagne. There was no pressure to buy a drink. Some girls will walk up to you and talk. Some speak pretty good English and others none at all. After being approached by 4-5 girls, I spotted a girl of my choosing and went over to talk to her. Unfortunately she spoke no English and so I tried to remember as much Portugese as I could and tried to communicate with her. We sat down on the seats for a little while and she let me caress her bunda and her legs and exchanged some light kisses. Since I knew conversation wasn't going anywhere, I asked her to go to the cabinee. We walked up to the 4th floor to get a room key. She took my locket bracelet and I waited for about 10 minutes. Another local monger was waiting too and he seemed like a regular saying Hi to many of the girls. Finally she returned after changing into lingerie and we headed for a room on the 5th floor. The room was very small with just a twin bed there. The performance was decent. She was not much into BBBJ, but when asked she performed it without any hesitancy. After multiple positions, I asked for greek and she obliged. I got the sense that she doesn't enjoy it but does it because customers request it or because a lot of other girls do it. After I was done, we stayed in the room and cuddled for a while. I didn't have enough energy for round 2 during a 40 minute session, so I just tried to relax. She told me she had worked at other termas mainly in Centro and most of her clients were locals and so she really hadn't learned English. I don't know if MC is mainly visited by locals or if there are more gringos as I didn't interact with the other men. As we were leaving the room, I asked her if she was working tomorrow and she said yes with a smile. I take it that she understood it to mean that I enjoyed being with her.

[/QUOTE]Thanks for the nice report. Looks like MC raised the per girl rate 30 R.

[QUOTE=Frenchieboy;1140058]I have picked up of girl from the Balcony last week for 300 BRL but she was very very beautiful[/QUOTE]What was her performance like? Did she stay all night and give you a quickie in the morning?

Having been to Rio on 3 occasions in 3 years I need to make my FIRST post after reading here for a month.

I love the termas, (Luomo, Monte Carlo. 4X4) But they have become expensive IMHO. 320 USD for 45-60 min with a girl and 2 beers in the bar. Since each time I go I rent an apartment in Copa I have started going to the beach in the afternoon where most of the girls hang out when the sun is shining. Across from the old HELP night club and the still standing Mia Pataca restaurant. There Robert or CiCi (The beach rental / beer guys) will introduce you to any girl you desire or you can introduce yourself to any girl that you see, and I have never paid more then 250 Reais for the night. They are fun, friendly and seem to enjoy sex. You can always asked for 1, 2 or 3 holes in english and they will understand. Most of them have a limited amount of english in their vocabulary. Small gifts and candy from the states are the rage, and will get you big points and usually a discounted invite for the next night! Pulling WG's off the beach is the way to go. I will be going back again in June as the LBFM are my favorite. Just my 2 cents. Please PM me if you would like Apt contact with Airport pickup, cell phone and guide.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1140166]What was her performance like? Did she stay all night and give you a quickie in the morning?[/QUOTE]No quickie in the morning because she left me at 6 am! But before sleeping I have fucked her 3 times she was very very hot! Fuck in the bed fuck in the bahtroom.

I was in Rio last week and 4 nights in the Balcony, what many of you said about Balcony it's true that's really a zoo every night about 70 garotas but for me only 5 correct

I have met 6 girls, all of them asked me 200 Brl, for me that was ok.

I think the best time to go to Balcony it's about 9 pm after no place

I recommand you strongly this place

Sorry for the interrution on the breaking news on Balcony etc.

If you're ready to burn some calories: climb Pedra the Gávea.

Take a bus out to Pasarela in Barra and head up the mountain. 1 1/2 h later you'll be up on he top of Pedra the Gávea.

The views are just fantastic!
Note: The trail is scaled 5, on a note of 1-5 on dificulidade. If you suffer from afraid of heights forget about of it.

[url]http://www.travel-earth.com/brazil/pedra-da-gavea-relax-view.jpg[/url]

P.S Forget about a guide. You'll only need a pair of strong legs and 2 litres of water.

So most of you who follow my occasional posts know that the Cartman is not necessarily a meanspirited bastard all of the time. But what the frak is up with Monte Carlo this week? (And to be honest it was a 12 day hiatus for me before returning on Wed). It's like they shit-canned half the girls, but kept the fat ugly ones and then decided to get more of them. I've seen 2. Literally. FAT, short, ugly chicks and a ton of bigger fattie mc fatties. Trust me guys, when Terma girls are squeezed into corsets, it's not a good sign of things to come.

Sure there may be 1-2 doable chicks left, but it's slim pickins. Reports from all around (Bubba, etc.) have been not good on most places, though I hear 502 picked up a new reasonable crop.

Hm, perhaps I will test L'Uomo tomorrow.

As an aide, this is becoming a very expensive hobby. The USD hit R$1. 59 today at one point in trading. I think it settle back at R$1. 62. That means my hour visit with an OK but not awesome chick at MC was US$280 (including my caipirinha). The only thing saving this is the free-entrance with registration (when you spend enough) , which probably averages things back down to US$250.

Wish I had more time to hit prives. The privates are where it's at.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1140509]Sorry for the interrution on the breaking news on Balcony etc.

If you're ready to burn some calories: climb Pedra the Gávea.

Take a bus out to Pasarela in Barra and head up the mountain. 1 1/2 h later you'll be up on he top of Pedra the Gávea.

The views are just fantastic!

Note: The trail is scaled 5, on a note of 1-5 on dificulidade. If you suffer from afraid of heights forget about of it.

[url]http://www.travel-earth.com/brazil/pedra-da-gavea-relax-view.jpg[/url]

P. S Forget about a guide. You'll only need a pair of strong legs and 2 litres of water. [/QUOTE]I was JUST reading an article on the Pedra yesterday at work. It looks amazing however the website said its best to go with a guide because people die every year trying to climb up the pedra without ropes and equipment. I wouldn't have a problem going up, but coming down would scare me to death!

[QUOTE=Bravo;1140706]I was JUST reading an article on the Pedra yesterday at work. It looks amazing however the website said its best to go with a guide because people die every year trying to climb up the pedra without ropes and equipment. I wouldn't have a problem going up, but coming down would scare me to death![/QUOTE]It's just about impossible to get lost on the way up. The trail is very well marked. At the beginning of the trail there are guards that will note the names and mobile number of everybody going up. That way they will know if anybody is missing.

The only dangerous part of the trail is the carrasqueira where you will have to do a little bit of crack climbing. If you take it calm you'll have no problem at all (there are some iron in the rock on the top of the carrasqueira where you can fix a rope, but I didn't see anybody using them). My GF climbed the carrasqueira fast like a mountain goat. When going down the carrasqueira you better don't look down if you are afraid of heights.

Besides maybe helping you to climb the carrasqueira there is really no use at all for a guide. I guess the people who dies climbing the Pedra the Gávea are using a more difficult route, or being clumsy falling down a cliff.

Good shoes, water, mobile phone and a camera, that's what you'll need.

Carrasqueira:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw2y9Ewdlwk&feature=related[/url]

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1140539]So most of you who follow my occasional posts know that the Cartman is not necessarily a meanspirited bastard all of the time. But what the frak is up with Monte Carlo this week? (And to be honest it was a 12 day hiatus for me before returning on Wed). It's like they shit-canned half the girls, but kept the fat ugly ones and then decided to get more of them. I've seen 2. Literally. FAT, short, ugly chicks and a ton of bigger fattie mc fatties. Trust me guys, when Terma girls are squeezed into corsets, it's not a good sign of things to come.

Sure there may be 1-2 doable chicks left, but it's slim pickins. Reports from all around (Bubba, etc.) have been not good on most places, though I hear 502 picked up a new reasonable crop.

Hm, perhaps I will test L'Uomo tomorrow. [/QUOTE]Eric.

I became friendly with a girl I met at MC late February. We have became pen pals. She left for Italy mid March. I know that at least one other poster said his favorite from MC was leaving for Italy in March (I PM'd him and it was not the same girl.) Is there some mass exodus that happens in March for Europe? If so this is too bad as the place was hoppin when I visited late Feb *the night after you were there). If this is so where should we go? Maybe your better off sitting outside the balconi waiting for a keeper?

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101; 1140779]Eric.

I became friendly with a girl I met at MC late February. We have became pen pals. She left for Italy mid March. I know that at least one other poster said his favorite from MC was leaving for Italy in March (I PM'd him and it was not the same girl.) Is there some mass exodus that happens in March for Europe? If so this is too bad as the place was hoppin when I visited late Feb *the night after you were there). If this is so where should we go? Maybe your better off sitting outside the balconi waiting for a keeper? [/QUOTE]Yes many girls but not all thank God will go to Europe after the summer season is over in Rio. Usually they start to filter out right after Caranval. A week or 2 after Carnaval and you can see them leaving.

Then about the middle of November or so they start coming back some before and some after. They come in from Europe and all over Brazil and by 2 or 3 weeks before Carnaval Rio is packed with working GDP's looking for your money.

This is why IMHO the best time to take a vacation in Rio is about 2 weeks before Carnaval when it's packed with GDP's and not all the Carnaval tourists have arrived yet.

In summer there are definitely more GDP's in Rio but there are also more mongers. Everyone prefers different things. For me I like the winters in Rio because there is less competition for the hottest girls. The clubs go very quiet, even the cutest girls struggle to be busy for more than half the time. I have been in Luomo when there have only been 1 other guy in the place for hours. From December to Carnaval they are busy pretty much all of the time. I find winter a much easier place to do business. The power shifts back to the monger. I like this much better, the girls appreciate me more (or at least my wallet). I can work winters much better.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1140849]In summer there are definitely more GDP's in Rio but there are also more mongers. Everyone prefers different things. For me I like the winters in Rio because there is less competition for the hottest girls. The clubs go very quiet, even the cutest girls struggle to be busy for more than half the time. I have been in Luomo when there have only been 1 other guy in the place for hours. From December to Carnaval they are busy pretty much all of the time. I find winter a much easier place to do business. The power shifts back to the monger. I like this much better, the girls appreciate me more (or at least my wallet). I can work winters much better.[/QUOTE]I apologize for this comment in advance (well, not really). One of the reasons I spend time in Brazil is to get away from Americans. I enjoy being there when they aren't. I also find that I enjoy Rio more in areas of the city where they do not frequent often. A lot of the after Carnaval exodus is not GDPs going to Europe, it is GDPs going home to other parts of Brazil.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1140849]In summer there are definitely more GDP's in Rio but there are also more mongers. Everyone prefers different things.

I find winter a much easier place to do business. The power shifts back to the monger. I like this much better, the girls appreciate me more (or at least my wallet). I can work winters much better. [/QUOTE]I agree with this, as it relates to Zona Sul, but wouldn't you say Centro and VM supply and demand are fairly constant?

[QUOTE=Frenchieboy;1140425]
I was in Rio last week and 4 nights in the Balcony, what many of you said about Balcony it's true that's really a zoo every night about 70 garotas but for me only 5 correct

I recommand you strongly this place[/QUOTE]

I recommend it too, although other people talk a lot of shit about Balcony, skanks, dogs, etc. Maybe my standards are low from too much time in budget places in Centro, but I feel that there are some nice girls at Balcony if you work the crowd. My idea of a good night is riding the metro to Centro, hitting T502, coming back to Copa before the metro closes and grabbing TLN from Balcony. When mongering Brasil, I'm 90% a fast foda guy that likes casas and low tier termas with some degree of standardized services. But last time I branched out with the other 10% and hit Balcony a couple times and found the uncertainty enjoyable in a masochistic kind of way, I guess. Next time, I'm lodging in Copa so I can work Balcony more. Never know what you might get, its fun to take a girl from there just for the adventure once you've already busted once or twice earlier in the day. In the casas and termas, I never risk getting a starfish, but on the other hand I rarely get an outstanding totally-uninhibited natural lay. Just 2 out of about 50 Brasileiras that I've done in casas/termas/etc. really provided mind-blowing uninhibited sex. Others were anywhere from boring to over-the-top nasty gonzo porn actress-style. I feel the chances for something really memorable are better at Balcony.

I wouldn't agree that it is just Zona Sul that goes quiet in Winter. I remember the hottest girls at 502 were literally standing around doing nothing up until late November. They were really busy through Carnaval but now again they are struggling for business. People have less money after Christmas and Carnaval and of course there are way less tourists now.

Centro also is very reliant on the weeks in the month. For example, by law, Brazilians get paid in the first week of the month. Hence Centro gets busy in the first week, particularly Thursday and Friday. As the weeks go by and we get closer to the end of the month it gets very quiet as everyone has spent their cash.

I will avoid centro this week just for that reason.

Rio Day 1 and 2.

I had been on a business trip to Sao Paulo for a brutally long week with me getting up at 6:00 am every morning. I attempted to use what little I had left over in the energy to locate a babe or two in Sao Paulo at the end of the long days. But alas all that search was to be in vain. Almost everything over there is far and very spread out. As one can imagine I was pretty wound up with all that window shopping and such. God I needed a brazilara! So me, my money and a TAM ticket later I arrive in Rio on Saturday. I had done my homework preceeding to coming here and had found a place about 5 min from LUMO and 10 minutes from Monte Carlo. I had landed in RIO at terminal 2 and started my search for the generio ATM. All of the ATM at this terminal were useless. Had I read Mr. Bubba's report I would have automatically been led to floor 3 Terminal 1 where the Banco ATM waited for me. Lesson learned I won't make that mistake again. In my opinion the ATM in Terminal 2 are an idiot box for the naive foreigner as they pretend to perform the transaction and right at the end tell you that it is not possible. What a TEASE!

I took the REAL bus for $8. 00 from GIG to JW Mariott and then walked over to my apartment. A trek of about 15 min with 50 lb luggage and with inquiring eyes sizing me up. Interesting experience indeed! Fortunately the road was a busy one and there was still daylight. I took pleasure in the satisfaction of robing the Taxi man instead of the other way. I arrived at about 6:30 PM, right after dusk.

As I was pretty beat I decided to call it a night and do my hunting on the next day. Well it turns out to be a Sunday and there was absolutely very little open. The weather outside sucked with rain coming off and on. Whats up with that? With the exception of LUMO nothing else was open. I took the Metro to scout out 4x4 in centro while waiting for LUMO to open. Even in the afternoon, this area was creating tension as it looked like one of those science fiction movie stage sets where the whole city has been abandoned. I can only imagine what happens at night! It was now 4:30 pm and Mecca, I mean LUMO, had finally opened. After taking a nap I ventured into the place. Having been to the World etc in the Fatherland I found this to be, well, a little on the smaller scale. But man did it make up on the Babe scale. Nines and 8's were all over the place. I don't think I saw a single 7 or less. Candy, Candy, Candy. Whoooo. This was my first thought. I tried to use the hang around for a while and then make a decision strategy, but this startegy really goes no where when the main room is no bigger then my apartment and there is nowhere to chill. What little sitting place there is has other guest on it already. Hot music and even hotter babes with you in middle is the order of the day here. After about 20 min of watching the young brazilaras dance I got approached by Franchesca. Wearing a turqoise outfit and then telling me what she had underneath was all real caught my attention in a hurry. I only have so much resistance and this is futile in a place like this. She asked me to buy her a drink to which I said okay. According to Mr. Bubba this should have been a red flag right at the onset. But this hot 8. 5 was all over me with promises to CIM and CIA etc. Such langauge! Phew! Resistance was futile. Another red flag I missed was that she would not kiss on the lips. Healthy as it may be, Mr. Bubba has it right, it does mean less passion as BBBJ would probably off the table. But I reasoned there were promises that were being made in earnest. I was wrong as the Cabinee produced a bit of mechanical CBJ leading to a HJTC when junior did not get what was expected. Thinking back, I believe I would have been in a different plane had this girl done what was promised. But how do you demand what was not granted? Man was this girl naturally hot! I told her I was staying nearby and she asked me if I would comeback. To which I replied, I really do not know. My disappointment must have been obivious as she told me not to hang low as I was quite handsome. Coming from her after the fact I think she must have meant it. That meant something to me. Perhaps a positive shot to the ego. Oh well onward to Monte Carlo on Monday.

Voyager1,

Thanks for the report. I am sure we have all forgotten the rules of Bubbaboy's pre-cabine checklist as the blood has drained from our brains in the presence of "sex on legs". I know I have. Discipline boys, Discipline! Remember the rules. Performance in the boite is normally an indication of what is to come.

At the top level Termas you definitely need to screen them before dragging them to the room. If you pay top level prices you need to get top level service everytime. 1 red flag is passable. 2 red flags you really need to look for someone else. 3 red flags and you still take her to the cabine? Well. Kind of get what you deserve, but we live and learn (hopefully).

The cheaper places are a bit different, at R$80-R$120 you can take a chance. At the cheaper places you can actually work on them by seeing them a couple of times if necessary. Once they know and like you the service gets way better. A girl I saw a few months ago gave crap service the first 2 times. The third time it was like a switch was flicked, unbelievable service! Then it just kept getting better until of course it was time to move on. For me that is how I work the cheaper places, I do repeats until the service hits a peak and then starts to fall off or your find someone else to replace her. The cheaper places are much more repeat customer type of places to get that top level of service.

Sorry to do this guys, as my response to similar requests in the Spanish Forum, where I am well aquainted, would be RTFF, but there is so much info here that I am battling to work out my best options, so some help would be gratefully received. I am in Rio for the first time for 4 days from 22nd April (over Easter) and hope that someone can recommend the best two clubs to me (similar, if possible, to the Estarks in Spain?). Not the most expensive please, hoping for about R$250 per hour or so?. Or streets that I should not miss and also if there is any SW action near Copacabana.

Finally, while I have a hotel reservation, it does not seem to be a great option and so I was hoping that someone could recommend an apartment or similar, again near Copacabana.

Any other advice or tips would be really great.

Regards.

SO Happy

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1141445]At the top level Termas you definitely need to screen them before dragging them to the room. If you pay top level prices you need to get top level service everytime. 1 red flag is passable. 2 red flags you really need to look for someone else. 3 red flags and you still take her to the cabine? Well. Kind of get what you deserve, but we live and learn (hopefully).

The cheaper places are a bit different, at R$80-R$120 you can take a chance. At the cheaper places you can actually work on them by seeing them a couple of times if necessary. Once they know and like you the service gets way better. A girl I saw a few months ago gave crap service the first 2 times. The third time it was like a switch was flicked, unbelievable service! Then it just kept getting better until of course it was time to move on. For me that is how I work the cheaper places, I do repeats until the service hits a peak and then starts to fall off or your find someone else to replace her. The cheaper places are much more repeat customer type of places to get that top level of service. [/QUOTE]You are right. I let my guard down or shall I saw was coerced down by the force of the 8. 5 magnitude.

Part of the hesitancy on my part was the lack of linguistic skills in selecting rather then being selected. The message I think I have received is that it is better to choose than be chosen as in the later, probability of a mechanical session is quite high since the chooser is probably a pro about to take advantage of the situation. This seems to be the case in the class 1 category places. Pity really as it sure did make it easier to have a session. But then there in lies the paradox, no work no play. Work must be done to interview as the price for not doing so is quite high. Given the limited space I did wonder how one can spend hours in the bar as there really is very limited things to do here. I think I might have felt a bit more rushed then I usually am. I hope to re-read your marvelous guide before hitting the circuit today and maybe have a Rio experience. Thank you for confirming that the flags were indeed real and not just my imagination. Part of the problem I have is that I am coming from areas where bar has been set a little above the mechanical stuff. Thus my expectations are accordingly and even more so here.

Hi guys,

I have gone through a lot of information regarding Rio published here lately. I will stay only 2 days for work next week, but still want to get a taste of Brazilian woman. I assume my best and easiest option is to hit l'Uomo, right?

What are the current price there, and most importantly how are the girls (not a big fan of big asses)?

Hey all,

Anyone know the entry and lapdance cost for clubs like Balcony and Barbarella?

Thanks very much

[QUOTE=Bauer7; 1141858]Hi guys,

I have gone through a lot of information regarding Rio published here lately. I will stay only 2 days for work next week, but still want to get a taste of Brazilian woman. I assume my best and easiest option is to hit l'Uomo, right?

What are the current price there, and most importantly how are the girls (not a big fan of big asses)? [/QUOTE]I have been to the Luoma Club several times and usually find a nice selection of ladies and enjoy my time there. Hopefully you will get more current price info, but on my last visit in 2008 I paid R$320 for 1 hour. This fee included the R$50 entrance plus the R$270 room with shower and lady fee. They do offer a lower cost 45 minute room without a shower option for about R$260. Beers to drink were an additional R$7 (I think). Enjoy Rio!

[QUOTE=Zerocool; 1142277]Hey all,

Anyone know the entry and lapdance cost for clubs like Balcony and Barbarella?

Thanks very much[/QUOTE]Sixty real, which includes two drinks. Not at all worth it, IMHO.

MCruddy

[QUOTE=Bauer7; 1141858]Hi guys,

I have gone through a lot of information regarding Rio published here lately. I will stay only 2 days for work next week, but still want to get a taste of Brazilian woman. I assume my best and easiest option is to hit l'Uomo, right?

What are the current price there, and most importantly how are the girls (not a big fan of big asses)? [/QUOTE]I was at L'Umo this past Sunday. See the report posted below. I paid $70. 00 to get in +180 for the girl + room fees + 1 drink for her and the total came up to $365. 00 for 40 minutes in a standard room. I believe $15. 00 was for the drinks. The quality of women is amazing but the actual service will require interviewing. Otherwise the probability of mechanical service is quite high. The best deal to be had is at Terma 502. Similar setup but half the price.

[QUOTE=Voyager1;1142343]I was at L'Umo this past Sunday. See the report posted below. I paid $70. 00 to get in +180 for the girl + room fees + 1 drink for her and the total came up to $365. 00 for 40 minutes in a standard room. I believe $15. 00 was for the drinks. The quality of women is amazing but the actual service will require interviewing. Otherwise the probability of mechanical service is quite high. The best deal to be had is at Terma 502. Similar setup but half the price.[/QUOTE]Did you mean to quote those prices in dollars ($) or reais (R$)?

[QUOTE=Poucolouco;1142348]Did you mean to quote those prices in dollars ($) or reais (R$)?[/QUOTE]It must be really, really slow at the senior center. Of course he meant Reais. Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of Rio knows that L'uomo (and termas in general) entry fees these days are about 70 Reais. Nitpicking as a lifestyle.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent;1142359]It must be really, really slow at the senior center. Of course he meant Reais. Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of Rio knows that L'uomo (and termas in general) entry fees these days are about 70 Reais. Nitpicking as a lifestyle.[/QUOTE]My comment to the discussion was intended to provide useful information to new members. I thought it best to assure that accurate prices were cited and I did so politely. However, your nitpicking post is interesting to display your immature self centered superior attitude as usual. This reminds me that you were banned from the World site for similar know-it-all postings.

[QUOTE=Bauer7; 1141858]Hi guys,

I have gone through a lot of information regarding Rio published here lately. I will stay only 2 days for work next week, but still want to get a taste of Brazilian woman. I assume my best and easiest option is to hit l'Uomo, right?

What are the current price there, and most importantly how are the girls (not a big fan of big asses)? [/QUOTE]Luomo has a reasonable crop of slimmer girls (magras). I was there last night. The trouble is the girls are sort of average right now. No real stunners. I wouldn't say they're better than some hits at lower-end places in Centro. Then again, for a quick trip, you'll do fine there. Definitely more skinny chicks there than at MC these days.

for the record, a normal massage at mc is r$60 for 30 minutes and, franky, sucks. it's like the 60 whyear old chick who took it went through a course in how to give a sucky massage. complete with awkward talking and things like telling you to exercise your arms and legs while laying on your back. really bad. so disappointed.

slim pickings at mc lately. went "off reservation" tonight and tagged a chick with long blond hair (weave) called layla. wears a necklace with a large red pepper (pimenta) on it. very cute face. a bit chub-chub down below but the cartman was horny. pre-interview was quick but ok. takes it in the pooper, says she can suck deep. i'm like, ok.

somewhat uninspired in the room. appeared bored / distracted. really just a tip-swabber. had to finish by hand both times (my own). did the second one just on principle and when i stood over her to deposit my seed, she put her hands up to block everything. lol.

win some, lose some.

-cartman

[QUOTE=Voyager1; 1141260]Rio Day 1 and 2.

Well it turns out to be a Sunday and there was absolutely very little open. The weather outside sucked with rain coming off and on. Whats up with that?

According to Mr. Bubba this should have been a red flag right at the onset. But this hot 8. 5 was all over me with promises to CIM and CIA etc. Such langauge! Phew! Resistance was futile. Another red flag I missed was that she would not kiss on the lips. Healthy as it may be, Mr. Bubba has it right, it does mean less passion as BBBJ would probably off the table. But[/QUOTE]To your first point, the abandonment of Centro is part of what disappoints me about Cariocas. Seems like they are repeating the mistakes that Americanos made in the 1950's, when the interstates went in and people abandoned urban living. Resulting in urban sprawl, inner city-ghettos, etc. It's a big shame/mistake for people to leave Centro at night and weekends.

CIA is a 98% a big bunch of BS. I've only actually gotten that opportunity about 2-5% of the time and never took it then. With those girls, I never discussed anything prior to session but instead played it cool, silent and just let them work like they wanted to. Now that I am conversational in Porto and use it, I realize the for mongering purposes the 'dumb gringo' act actually gets better services. Girls that do CIM, CIP, CIA do it because it appeals to them. If a guy comes in and makes cum-in-whatever part of a verbal services contract in the boite, he's taking all the fun-and-naughty factor out of it for the girl and making truly GFE natural services less likely in the cabine.

But usually, yeah, offers of cum-in-whatever in the boite are a red flag for sure. But not always!!! The 3rd best girl I ever had in Brasil was absolutely stone cold to me in the boite like she didn't care whether I was even there or not. Sat on my lap for 30 minutes not moving or talking. I asked the manager to send her away, because I didn't speak any Porto then. Instead, he told me to take her back and I wouldn't regret it, so I did! Termas Bacos, Sao Paulo 2005. I'll have that memory until I die. Once we got to the cabine, it was magical and she was the kinkiest girl I've experienced in that country so far. I can't even talk about those services here because some of the services are not socially acceptable to most members of this thread. So, you get an idea about the turn of events, though. Never can tell with these girls. Have to stick to low cost places, cycle through many girls to actually find those services. Tier 1 girls are mainly primadonnas. Who wouldn't be, when they get a 1/3 of a typical persons [i]monthly[/i] salary for just giving a someone the privilege of 40 minutes sex that doesn't cost them anything, haha? Maybe they fancy themselves a celebrity...

[B]Cartman[/b]: O Senhor, why are you paying big Reais for it at MC when you work and live and Rio? I bet you can get freebies galore if you try! ET is living proof you can have a full-time termas quality GF for free if you work the scene, even if you aren't in town all the time. I've met him and his GF in-person and was inspired by the possibility that he has demonstrated. I only wish I got there more often, or for longer periods of time. I'd be [i]all [/i] over that non-pro scene. I only hit town with 5-7 days '[i]lay[/i] over' after biz each time, with no continuity due to 6-12 month gaps between trips....so can't invest time on non-pros due to the uncertainty with them...but you can! Go for it!

Went for a bit of an adventure last night. Tried to find a place out near Villa Mimosa, got lost in a real shitty area and didn't even find the club I wanted to. Still got out of there alive so can't complain. Anybody that pays R$350 for a bang in Rio needs to go and see where these girls come from. Very poor areas, VERY POOR. Anyway.

Back in Centro went to T31, quality not too bad. Actually bumped into the girl I was looking for out near Villa Mimosa. Hadn't seen her in a while, kind of not looking as great as she once was, so passed and went to MV30. For the record T31 was R$10. 00 for 2 beers.

Hit MV 30. Prices have gone up a bit. R$30 entrance or minimum consumption. R$115 30 minutes, R$155 45 minutes, R$195 for the hour. I don't mind paying Zona Sul like prices as long as there is value there. MV30 definitely had better looking girls since the price increase. There was relatively less Brazilian guys there as well. I marked a few maybes that were already being groped and will return another night.

ON the subject of value. If the Zona Sul T's had stunning girls all the time it would be worth it. However the quality of girls is not that much better than Centro places, if at all. Hence for me there is little value there.

There should be a cheat sheet made for the rules of getting freebies from T girls. If you want to get a T girl to come over for free you must make her think she is special and she has a chance of a relationship with a person of better economic statue than her (this is not hard she is probably from a really poor area). The number 1 rule is not to bang another girl at the same club, that includes when she has a night off.

Brazilians fuck around on their partners, that is pretty much a given. However a partner won't accept this if you throw it in their face. It must be done very very discretely. Hence, banging another girl in the same place is too much 'in your face' to be acceptable. I have seen many a dumb ass gringo think 'great, she is coming over for free tonight, hence I can bang another girl at the same T now so I can get 2 girls in the one night'. Then the Dumb ass wonders why the freebie gets all pissed and she doesn't come over EVER AGAIN. When you want to play around you must put thought into where you do it.

So when I like a girl at a T, I will see her a few times and also stop banging other girls at the same place. This is not hard for me, I like to do a lot of repeats. There are probably 50 places where I can find P4P in Rio, so it is not all that much of a loss to write off the one T she is at. Then if there is some connection there and she does not have a boyfriend or kids, she will most likely ask me out. I never ask them out. Usually works after 3 to 5 repeats. Of course you need to be a good guy to her friends and buy them the occasional drink etc.

I find the process of actually finding someone that I like is harder than the actual getting them to come over for free. It is a very easy process. Just need to obey the number 1 rule.

I like girls from privates now rather than T's. When you live and work in Rio dating a T girl is not easy. They work 5 or 6 nights a week and that leaves little time to come over and see you. Adding to this they usually want to spend their off time with their family it leaves very little normal time to do normal shit. The only real time they have is when they come over after their shift ends at midnight or as late as 2 am or a little time in the morning before they go to work. This is why I find girls from "prives" a better option.

Girls from prives (privates) work normal hours, like 10. 00am to 7pm. This means you can pretty much see them most nights, works out a lot lot better than T girls. One thing that always amazes me is that after a hard day of banging 6 guys at their work each day they still want to / insist on banging at night when they are with you. The girl I am currently seeing insists on at least an hour of banging at night and then she insists on a quickie in the morning before she goes to work.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1142500]There should be a cheat sheet made for the rules of getting freebies from T girls. If you want to get a T girl to come over for free you must make her think she is special and she has a chance of a relationship with a person of better economic statue than her (this is not hard she is probably from a really poor area). The number 1 rule is not to bang another girl at the same club, that includes when she has a night off.

Brazilians fuck around on their partners, that is pretty much a given. However a partner won't accept this if you throw it in their face. It must be done very very discretely. Hence, banging another girl in the same place is too much 'in your face' to be acceptable. I have seen many a dumb ass gringo think 'great, she is coming over for free tonight, hence I can bang another girl at the same T now so I can get 2 girls in the one night'. Then the Dumb ass wonders why the freebie gets all pissed and she doesn't come over EVER AGAIN. When you want to play around you must put thought into where you do it.

So when I like a girl at a T, I will see her a few times and also stop banging other girls at the same place. This is not hard for me, I like to do a lot of repeats. There are probably 50 places where I can find P4P in Rio, so it is not all that much of a loss to write off the one T she is at. Then if there is some connection there and she does not have a boyfriend or kids, she will most likely ask me out. I never ask them out. Usually works after 3 to 5 repeats. Of course you need to be a good guy to her friends and buy them the occasional drink etc.

I find the process of actually finding someone that I like is harder than the actual getting them to come over for free. It is a very easy process. Just need to obey the number 1 rule. [/QUOTE]Also, it is important to be aware of GDP. NET. These girls move around from termas to termas and often they have a cousin or sister who works at another place. For example, do not count on getting away with seeing one girl in L'uomo and another at 4x4. Trust me they know who you are and other GDPs love nothing better than to rat you out. GDPs who have a "regular" have status in a termas. The other GDPs love nothing better than to let her know her regular is not THAT regular. If you have a special termas girl then plan on visiting the centro massage places or apartments.

[QUOTE=Poucolouco;1142370]My comment to the discussion was intended to provide useful information to new members. I thought it best to assure that accurate prices were cited and I did so politely. However, your nitpicking post is interesting to display your immature self centered superior attitude as usual. This reminds me that you were banned from the World site for similar know-it-all postings.[/QUOTE]Being banned from that forum is like being banned from an African Aids-ridden brothel. I checked back there and you are still being an anal retentive control freak telling everyone what they can and cannot do. It must really suck to be weak and powerless.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent;1142583]Being banned from that forum is like being banned from an African Aids-ridden brothel. I checked back there and you are still being an anal retentive control freak telling everyone what they can and cannot do. It must really suck to be weak and powerless.[/QUOTE]Your analogy of an African Aids-ridden brothel shows your true character. For someone who spent six years posting on the other site, you are a slow learner. Things must be boring in Orlando if you have time to study my activity.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1142419]Once we got to the cabine, it was magical and she was the kinkiest girl I've experienced in that country so far. I can't even talk about those services here because some of the services are not socially acceptable to most members of this thread.[/QUOTE]You're right; most of the posters here are horrible prudes, myself included, and would undoubtedly be shocked by your experiences. Thank you for saving me from cardiac arrest.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1142500]There should be a cheat sheet made for the rules of getting freebies from T girls. If you want to get a T girl to come over for free you must make her think she is special and she has a chance of a relationship with a person of better economic statue than her (this is not hard she is probably from a really poor area). The number 1 rule is not to bang another girl at the same club, that includes when she has a night off.

Brazilians fuck around on their partners, that is pretty much a given. However a partner won't accept this if you throw it in their face. It must be done very very discretely. Hence, banging another girl in the same place is too much 'in your face' to be acceptable. I have seen many a dumb ass gringo think 'great, she is coming over for free tonight, hence I can bang another girl at the same T now so I can get 2 girls in the one night'. Then the Dumb ass wonders why the freebie gets all pissed and she doesn't come over EVER AGAIN. When you want to play around you must put thought into where you do it.

[/QUOTE]I have a pen-pal relationship with a Termas girl at MC. She is now over in Italy for the summer. I will return to Brazil next month. Will her girl friends at the Termas tell her that I showed up at MC and I was fucking other woman? I want to fuck her friend Barbara but that is probably out. Will there be the same girls at the MC this month as two months ago? Should I find another Termas or sit out at Balconi?

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101;1142764]I have a pen-pal relationship with a Termas girl at MC. She is now over in Italy for the summer. I will return to Brazil next month. Will her girl friends at the Termas tell her that I showed up at MC and I was fucking other woman?[/QUOTE]You're talking about a woman working in a termas. You can't be afraid of being unfaithful towards a GP. Of course you can f*ck her GP collegaues. She's propably getting tons of Italian di*ks right now.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1142773]You're talking about a woman working in a termas. You can't be afraid of being unfaithful towards a GP. Of course you can f*ck her GP collegaues. She's propably getting tons of Italian di*ks right now.[/QUOTE]Sperto. What you have written make a lot of sense.

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101;1142764]I have a pen-pal relationship with a Termas girl at MC. She is now over in Italy for the summer. I will return to Brazil next month. Will her girl friends at the Termas tell her that I showed up at MC and I was fucking other woman? I want to fuck her friend Barbara but that is probably out. Will there be the same girls at the MC this month as two months ago? Should I find another Termas or sit out at Balconi?[/QUOTE]If she is not even in the same country than that gets you a pass. Go ahead and bang her friend.

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101;1142764]I have a pen-pal relationship with a Termas girl at MC. She is now over in Italy for the summer. I will return to Brazil next month. Will her girl friends at the Termas tell her that I showed up at MC and I was fucking other woman? I want to fuck her friend Barbara but that is probably out. Will there be the same girls at the MC this month as two months ago? Should I find another Termas or sit out at Balconi?[/QUOTE]LOL LOL LOL

This mind-set have NEVER made any sense to to me I seen guys running around for 2 weeks jumping in and out of taxi hiding on the floor of clubs running in the restroom staying in there for hours WHY? Because they are afraid some hooker they seen "AND PAID TO HAVE SEX WITH" 19 months ago may see them asking another hooker to spend a hour with them WTF? LOL.

It's your trip have fun man hell tell her which one of her friends she heard give the best head LOL? Or which one of her friends do anal LOL

The point I am making is how silly this sounds I even had guys say they don't want to go to X, Y, Z terma because THEIR GIRL may get mad? Look she is a hooker she gets paid to have sex with different tricks for a living and guess what your job is? You are a trick and I am a trick that pay to have sex with hookers NEVER allow a hooker, female to ruin your trip or keep you from having sex with a chick you have your eyes on ALL these chicks run game on guys making them think they are theirs SO YOU GIVE ALL YOUR MONEY TO HER! Bottom line.

The more guys she can get to think like that all that means is more money, pocket books, shoes etc. For her.

Kid Cisco

I used to see a girl from MC back in maybe 2005. She started to work in Spain and Italy and when I was in Europe I used to travel around with her. I never paid her anything but with travel etc the cost was probably the same or even higher. One of her favorite things to do was get me to bang her in the ass when one of her Euro boyfriends was speaking to her on the phone. She had several Euro boyfriends from all over the place. Showed me the pics.

I used to stay some nights at her unit out near Pavuna (look that up on the Rio map). She used to make a ton of cash in Europe and purchased a very nice apartment in Rio. Had better appliances than my apartment at the time! I saw her on and off for about 3 years in between other girls. When I banged one of her best friends at MC she stopped talking to me for about 3 months. After that all was forgotten. She ended up doing something that annoyed me and I haven't spoken to her since maybe 2007.

Is it safe to use the metro from Copacabana to Saens Pena to check out [url]http://tigresastijucanas.com.[/url]

I intend to go in the morning around 11. 00AM.

Sorry if it's a dumb question, but better ask than be sorry. Can someone help with directions from the metro station to the club, any other good options in the area?

Appreciate your help guys.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1142841]If she is not even in the same country than that gets you a pass. Go ahead and bang her friend.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I just want to understand protocal with these Terma girls.

[QUOTE=Kid Cisco; 1142850]LOL LOL LOL

This mind-set have NEVER made any sense to to me I seen guys running around for 2 weeks jumping in and out of taxi hiding on the floor of clubs running in the restroom staying in there for hours WHY? Because they are afraid some hooker they seen "AND PAID TO HAVE SEX WITH" 19 months ago may see them asking another hooker to spend a hour with them WTF? LOL.

It's your trip have fun man hell tell her which one of her friends she heard give the best head LOL? Or which one of her friends do anal LOL

The point I am making is how silly this sounds I even had guys say they don't want to go to X, Y, Z terma because THEIR GIRL may get mad? Look she is a hooker she gets paid to have sex with different tricks for a living and guess what your job is? You are a trick and I am a trick that pay to have sex with hookers NEVER allow a hooker, female to ruin your trip or keep you from having sex with a chick you have your eyes on ALL these chicks run game on guys making them think they are theirs SO YOU GIVE ALL YOUR MONEY TO HER! Bottom line.

Kid Cisco[/QUOTE]Hey, I like my Termas girl. No I am not going to hide from someone all week on my vacation.

I would like to continue fucking her on the side for the cost of cab fare if I could. If there is protocol and a way to have my cake and eat it out too I want to know this. If this means hanging out at Luomo rather than MC I would consider doing this. Besides I do not agree with your second from last sentence. Sure, she thinks I am a potential long term meal ticket for her. That is why I am comped free sex. I want to keep this going if there is a way. That's all.

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101;1143001]That is why I am comped free sex.

I just want to understand protocal with these Terma girls.[/QUOTE]You are comped for paid play. Nothing is FREE! Perhaps, in due time, you will understand.

There is no protocol.

[QUOTE=Bauer7; 1142946]Is it safe to use the metro from Copacabana to Saens Pena to check out.

[url]http://tigresastijucanas.com.[/url]

I intend to go in the morning around 11. 00AM.

Sorry if it's a dumb question, but better ask than be sorry. Can someone help with directions from the metro station to the club, any other good options in the area?

Appreciate your help guys. [/QUOTE]Totally safe and it's like 3-4 blocks from the station. Look for the parking garage.

Headed down to Centro tonight around 6. 45pm from Copa. Metro to Uruguaina (sp?) then a walk to the "dark side" of Pres. Vargas. Hit MV 30 first on reports of some new talent. Only maybe 1 really doable black chick who spent the 30 mins I was there talking to some brazilian dude. Lots of not good talent. Lots of dudes too, bad ratio. R$30 entrada down the tubes.

Over to T 31 just down the dark alley (my favorite). Pounding techno. R$10 to get in, specify if you want refrigerantes (sodas) or beers. Not a lot of good talent, lots of large chicks. Big bunda / fattie mc fatties. Some heinous chick started talking to me because her friend knew my friend. Time to eject. On the way out my friend gets tagged for R$4. 00 for his water. Water, the counter guy notes, is not a refrigerante! So beer and Coke are cheaper than water!

Over to 502, place is hopping. There is an easter theme party, girls dressed in little bunny outfits with bow ties. I'm #134 at 9pm. Good mix of girls, lots of guys. Been a lot of new chicks in past 2 weeks my pal says and it shows. See 4-5 doable girls. End up with an 18 whyear old who has a 1 year old daughter, go figure. Pretty face, good head, and she takes 2 shots in the mouth like a champ. Best part -- left the bow tie around her neck the whole time. Love it! R$20 entrada (3 beers or waters) and R$160 for the hour. Not the best facilities in the world but at that price worth a go now and again.

Overall I'd say 502 has at least as many doable girls now as MC and L'Uomo lately, at half the cost. Sure the facilities are not as nice, and there's less GFE-style hanging out in the boate (apparently kissing is frowned upon in the boate at 502). But it's a reasonable stop.

-Cartman

[QUOTE=Amerioca; 1143019]You are comped for paid play. Nothing is FREE! Perhaps, in due time, you will understand.

There is no protocol. [/QUOTE]TANSTAFL

There Aint No Such Thing As a Free Lunch

Will the thermes in Rio be closed on Christmas Eve, Christmas Day and Boxing Day?

Thanks for your answer.

[QUOTE=WWLL; 1143070]Will the thermes in Rio be closed on Christmas Eve, Christmas Day and Boxing Day?

Thanks for your answer. [/QUOTE]Open both Christmas Eve and Boxing Day with fewer garotas as many are taking holidays. Closed Christmas Day. Boxing Day is not celebrated in Brasil. I assume you mean 26/12 or 27/12, both normal days in Brasil.

Hey Cartman, thanks for the update.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman;1143045]Hit MV 30 first on reports of some new talent. Only maybe 1 really doable black chick who spent the 30 mins I was there talking to some brazilian dude. Lots of not good talent. Lots of dudes too, bad ratio. R$30 entrada down the tubes. -Cartman[/QUOTE]When I was in Rio last November, I went on a Friday expecting party party. And it was dead. One of the girls told me that girl go home for the weekend. My favourite in MV30 is / was Renata. I hope she is still there next July!

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman;1143045]T31 ... R$10 to get in, specify if you want refrigerantes (sodas) or beers. Not a lot of good talent, lots of large chicks. Big bunda / fattie mc fatties. Water, the counter guy notes, is not a refrigerante! So beer and Coke are cheaper than water! -Cartman[/QUOTE]I made that mistake on my first trip to T31. I drank water but they let me off as I explained I was a stupid gringo who was trying and failing to learn / speak their wonderful language. I read on gpguia that Luana was back on the programma and working at T31. Has anybody had any contact with her?

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman;1143045]Over to 502, place is hopping... Love it! R$20 entrada (3 beers or waters) and R$160 for the hour. Overall I'd say 502 has at least as many doable girls now as MC and L'Uomo lately, at half the cost. Sure the facilities are not as nice, and there's less GFE-style hanging out in the boate (apparently kissing is frowned upon in the boate at 502). But it's a reasonable stop. -Cartman[/QUOTE]T502. The hidden jewel in Centro! . Crap facilities but I've seen / had some great girls there in the last 2 years. Thanks for the intel on garota quality. All we need is for Darlene to make her return. I think she has retired now. Which is a shame.

Bubba, what a fantastic work. Your guide covers just about everything a monger needs to know about Rio. It's a must read for the Rio-newbie and also a source of great information for the Rio-veterans. I can imagine the many hours of hard work that you have put into making this guide. Thanks a lot!

[QUOTE=Sperto;1143444]Bubba, what a fantastic work. Your guide covers just about everything a monger needs to know about Rio. It's a must read for the Rio-newbie and also a source of great information for the Rio-veterans. I can imagine the many hours of hard work that you have put into making this guide. Thanks a lot![/QUOTE]. And so say all of us. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1143444]I can imagine the many hours of hard work that you have put into making this guide. Thanks a lot![/QUOTE]Thanks Torgoch.

Yes spent many hours down in Centro in the name of research, very hard work indeed.

If anyone finds errors please PM me or post. Sperto, as always, has already done this.

Hi Bubba,

Thank you for your updated report. How about submitting it to an university for a PhD?

I read your report and must say that it is very complete.

Excellent work!

Carlos

[red][U][b]Update on Privês, Casas de Massagem and Termas in Centro, pricerange R$ 20-95. [/b][/u][/red]

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Today is exactly one year since my last update of my list of cheap Privês and Centro Casas in Rio. Here is the new update. As always some of the old casas are gone and some new ones have been added to the list. No privê, casa or termas costing more than R$ 95 are on the list.

All of the info and ratings in the list are based on my experiences, in March 2011. Your experience of these casas might be totally different. In these casas the number of girls and the standard can change very quickly. Some casas might also close or move within a short period of time.

This list is meant to be a guide to help you to explore the Centro casas. It’s far from complete. I have only listed the casas that I have personally visited. There are many more casas to be explored. This forum is for exchange of information, so I expect you to report about new casas that you’ll discover.

I've also made a new updated Centro Map,attached.

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[b]Ratings[/b]:

I have rated using A, B and C. A being over average, B being average and C under average.

Cabin:
A= Clean cabin, big bed, new sheets, A/C and shower possibility.
B= Decent cabin, small bed, A/C or ventilador.
C= Fast-sex-cabin, simple, dirty, smelly and noisy. No showers.

Service:
A= Receives visitors in a very nice and discreet way, girls presenting themselves in pleasant way, girls doing their best in the sex-act.
B= Receives you fairly well. Girls giving a good service.
C= Girls lined up. Girls might be ignorant or having a bad attitude. Take a pick, fuck and leave.

Standard (on the girls):
A= Better than average, sometimes some stunners.
B= Average standard.
C= Low end. Majority ugly with few exceptions.

Number:
The number of girls available. This number depends on the day of the week and the time you go there.

WV (Worth a Visit):
A= Definitely worth a visit. A very good chance of finding a nice girl.
B= Worth a visit if you have plenty of time. Don't have to high expectations. Might find something you’ll like.
C= Not worth a visit. Very small chances of finding a nice girl.

Note:
Remarks about the casa. Many of the casas have sites. I have only bothered to mention the sites of the casas that I have found most interesting.

Rec:
My personal girl-recommendations.

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[b]Casas de Massagem and Termas, R$ 15-85. [/b]

1. Avenida Rio Branco 156, Edificio Central:
- Sala 3320: Cabin=A, Service=A, Standard=A, Number=10, WV=A
R$ 95/40 min, R$ 115/60 min
- Sala 2622: Cabin=A, Service=A, Standard=A, Number=7, WV=A
R$ 85/40 min, R$ 100/60 min
- Sala 2114: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=7, WV=B
R$ 80/40 min, R$ 100/60 min
- Sala 1839: Cabin=A, Service=B, Standard=A, Number=6, WV=B
R$ 60/30 min, R$ 80/40 min, R$ 100/60 min
- Sala 1619: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=C, Number=3, WV=C
R$ 80/40 min, R$ 100/60 min
- Sala 613: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=3, WV=B
R$ 80/40 min, R$ 100/60 min

2. Avenida Rio Branco 185:
- Sala 2114: Cabin=B, Service=A, Standard=A, Number=15, WV=A
R$ 80/40 min, R$ 100/60 min
Note: Nice girls. Very busy place. Expect waiting time for the cabins.
[url]www.belprazer.com[/url]
- Sala 729: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=4, WV=B
R$ 50/30 min, R$ 70/40 min, R$ 90/60 min
- Sala 725: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=C, Number=4, WV=C
R$ 50/30 min, R$ 80/60 min

3. Avenida Rio Branco 181:
- Sala 801: Cabin=A, Service=A, Standard=A, Number=6, WV=A
R$ 50/30 min, R$ 70/40 min, R$ 90/60 min
Note: Excellent place, with GFE.
[url]www.novamassagem.com[/url]
Rec: Juliana (18 y, supercute, petite, incredible tits), Rafaela (23 y, dark morena, incredible vagina-muscles), Samara (20 y, nic big tits), Livia (23 y, cute, gives great BJ)
- Sala 105: Cabin=B, Service=C, Standard=C, Number=3, WV=C
R$ 50/30 min, R$ 70/40 min, R$ 90/60 min

4. Rua Senador Dantas 117:
- Sala 1729: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=C, Number=2, WV=C
R$ 70/60 min, massage+HJ

5. Av 13 de Maio 47:
- Sala 513: Cabin=C, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=4, WV=B
R$ 20/20 min, R$ 30/30 min, R$ 60/60 min

6. Rua Almirante Barroso 6:
- Sala 305: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=2, WV=B
R$ 70/30 min, R$ 90/60 min

7. Rua da Carioca 59: 3 floors, 5 casas.
Cabin=C, Service=C, Standard= B-C, Number=30, WV=B
R$ 25/20 min, R$ 35/30 min

8. Rua Uruguaiana 24: 4 floors.
Cabin=C, Service=C, Standard=B, Number=30, WV=B
R$ 20/15 min, R$ 25/20 min, R$ 35/30 min
Note: Cabins close to the bar, loud music is disturbing.

9. Rua Uruguaiana 145:
Cabin=C, Service=C, Standard=C, Number=5, WV=C
R$ 27/20 min, R$ 37/30 min, R$ 47/40 min

10. Rua do Ouvidor 130:
- Sala 911: Cabin=C, Service=C, Standard=C, Number=4, WV=C
R$ 20/20 min, R$ 30/30 min
- Sala 707: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=7, WV=B
R$ 20/1 pop “no timelimit”
Note: [url]www.destack.com.br/hollywood.htm[/url]
Rec: Kelly (great ass)

11. Rua do Rosário 135:
- Third floor: Cabin=A, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=5, WV=B
R$ 95/40 min, R$ 120/60 min

12. Rua Buenos Aires 85: 6 floors.
Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B-C, Number=60, WV=B
R$ 1/min, R$ 20/20 min, R$ 30/30 min
Note: Always some nice girls. Enjoy the stairs!
Rec: Suzy (20 y, very cute), Gigi (25 y, lovely big tits)

13. Praça Olavo Bilac 13:
- Sala 513: Cabin=B, Service=A, Standard=B, Number=15, WV=B
R$ 22/15 min, R$ 27/20 min, R$ 40/30 min, R$ 50/40 min
Rec: Tiara (19 y, slim mulatta)

14. Praça Olavo Bilac 15:
- Sala 513: Cabin=C, Service=B, Standard= C, Number=8, WV=C
R$ 22/15 min, R$ 32/20 min, R$ 42/30 min

15. Avenida Presidente Vargas 590:
- Sala 1005: Cabin=B, Service=C, Standard=C, Number=2, WV=C
R$ 50/30 min, R$ 70/60 min
- Sala 817: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=4, WV=B
R$ 70/30 min, R$ 90/60 min

16. Avenida Presidente Vargas 482:
- Sala 1514: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=5, WV=B
R$ 70/45 min, massage+HJ. Must make a booking before visit.
- Sala 914: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=4, WV=B
R$ 80/60 min, massage+HJ. BJ costs R$ 20 extra. Penetration cost another R$ 40.

17. Rua Conceicao 116: Cabin=C, Service=C, Standard=C, Number=12, WV=C
R$ 30/20 min, R$ 40/30 min, R$ 50/40 min

18. Rua do Acre 120: Cabin=C, Service=C, Standard=C, Number=4, WV=C
R$ 20/20 min, R$ 30/30 min

19. Rua Leandro Martins 3: Cabin=C, Service=C, Standard=C, Number=5, WV=C
R$ 22/20 min, R$ 32/30 min, R$ 42/40 min

20. Rua Leandro Martins 5: Cabin=C, Service=C, Standard=C, Number=6, WV=C
R$ 27/20 min, R$ 40/30 min, R$ 50/40 min

21. Praca Mauá, Florida: Stripclub with cabins. Cabin=A, Service=A, Standard=A, Number=15, WV=A
Entrada=R$ 10, R$ 80/30 min

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[b]Casas from the my list from last year. 2010, that have closed[/b] (or at least appeared closed when I visited) :

# Avenida Rio Branco 156, Edificio Central:
- Sala 2735
- Sala 1228
# Avenida Rio Branco 181:
- Sala 1006
- Sala 210
# Rua Carioca 40
# Travessa do Ouvidor 37

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[b]TIJUCA[/b]:

Tijuca is not in Centro but it still deserves to be mentioned here.
To get there just take the metro to the station Saens Peña. The privês below are all within 5 minutes walk from the metro station.

# Tigresas Tijucanas
Rua General Roca 340, sala 114 (entrance inside a parking garage)
Cabin=A, Service=A, Standard=A, Number=8, WV=A
R$ 50/30 min, R$ 60/40 min, R$ 80/60 min
Note: Excellent place, with GFE.
[url]www.tigresastijucanas.com[/url]
Rec: Rafaela (20 y, dark morena, supercute, petite, very hot), Natasha (22 y, fantastic tits, thick vagina), Marcele (19 y, cute mulatta w nice big tits)

# Anne Massagens
Rua General Roca 263
Cabin=A, Service=A, Standard=A-B, Number=8, WV=A
R$ 50/30 min, R$ 60/40 min, R$ 80/60 min
Note: [url]www.annemassagens.com.br[/url]

# Mix Massagem
Rua General Conde de Bonfim 352, sala 402
Cabin=A, Service=A, Standard=A, Number=9, WV=A
R$ 50/30 min, R$ 60/40 min, R$ 80/60 min
Note: [url]www.mixmassagem.com[/url]
Rec: Pamela (23 y, nice big tits)

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[b]VM[/b]:

* Vila Mimosa: 72 casas.
Cabin=B-C, Service=(B-)C (some B), Standard=(A-)C, Number=roughly 1500, counting all shifts and weekendworkers. WV=A
Gems to be found.
R$ 27-35/30 min.
Hotel Canário (motel)=R$ 30/4 hs. Girl will charge you R$ 60-80/1-2 hs at Canário.

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[b]My personal choices[/b]:

# When I want a quick and very cheap session:
Metro to Carioca. First I pass by Rua Carioca 59, then I continue to Rua Uruguaiana 24 and finally to Rua Buenos Aires 85. This casa-tour takes about 20 minutes. Then I make my choice where to session. Usually I end up in BA 85.

# When I want to have a bit more costly quality-sex with GFE in a nice room:
Metro to Carioca. I check out the casas in Av Rio Branco 156, 181 and 185.
Alternatively I head to Tijuca.

# When I want to dig for gems in the trash:
I go to VM. VM is the place where you can hit the jackpot. Some of the most beautiful GPs I’ve ever met have been working at VM. The percentage of beautiful girls in VM is very low. It’s a sport finding a gem at VM. It takes experience, patience, skill and a portion of good luck.
Go there around 5-6 PM. Do a search in all of the alleys. Stick your head inside ALL of the casas. If you find nothing interesting then position yourself in one of the bars at the entrance to the U-alley, and wait for the girls arriving to work. When you finally se Miss Perfect arriving you jump on her like a cobra. Follow her to her casa and be her first customer that day.

“The higher the quality, the higher the price”? IMO that’s bullsh*t and a very false statement. High quality can be had for a very cheap price.

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[b]This years nomination[/b]:

This year I want to give the Golden Dick nomination to two privês:

Nova Massagem (Avenida Rio Branco 181, sala 801)
and
Tigresas Tijucanas (Rua General Roca 340, sala 114)

I specially want to thank Juliana, Rafaela, Samara, Livia, Rafaela, Natasha and Marcele for giving me such excellent service and pleasure.

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[b]My personal advice[/b]:

I prefer to visit the centro casas just before noon, when the girls have just arrived. That way I have the opportunity of being the first client of the day. If you go there at lunch time the good casas might be crowded and the best girls all occupied.

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[b]Maps[/b]:

As I earlier posted various maps in this forum it can be a bit confusing which map that's the latest and most updated one. Because of this I also attach the most updated Vila Mimosa and Copacabana maps in this report. This way you'll find all my maps in one place.

Note: The only new map is the Sperto, Centro Map.

Regarding the updated Centro map. Because of the size limit for posting pictures/JPG is 640x480 I couldn't do the map in JPG-format. I did it in PDF-format. Unfortunately the size limit for posting PDF is 390,6 kb. Because of this the map is a little bit blurry.

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[b]Attached[/b]:

- Sperto, Vila Mimosa, Directions, Map, JPG
- Sperto, Vila Mimosa, Detailed Alleys, MAP, JPG
- Sperto, Centro, Map, Updated March 2011, PDF
- Sperto, Vila Mimosa, Directions, Map, PDF
- Sperto, Copacabana, Map, PDF

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I hope the list will be helpful in your mongering in Centro of Rio. Don’t forget to report about new casas!

Cheers
Sperto
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P.S THE CENTRO MAP IS THE FIRST ATTACHED PDF-FILE (that means the third of the five attachments)!

[QUOTE=Sperto;1143546][red][U][b]Update on Privês, Casas de Massagem and Termas in Centro, pricerange R$ 20-95. [/b][/u][/red]Today is exactly one year since my last update of my list of cheap Privês and Centro Casas in Rio. Here is the new update.[/QUOTE]Talk about having all your birthdays and Christmases at once. First Bubba Boy's guide and then Sperto's. On the same day. Some great research and very helpful updates for those of us who only travel once or twice a year to Rio. Thanks guys.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;1143551]Talk about having all your birthdays and Christmases at once. First Bubba Boy's guide and then Sperto's. On the same day. Some great research and very helpful updates for those of us who only travel once or twice a year to Rio. Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]You're welcome. Purely coincidence that both guides came today.

I cannot express enough gratitude for the gererous amount of knowledge you fellows put into your invaluable resources. It started with Bubba's guide the first time I went to Rio, and now that I just got my 10 year visa, I plan on many returns. Sperto's casa's rankings and description inspired me to try going beyound the tourist places and man, I have never looked back. Thanks for being such an unselfish and generous contributors. If we meet, drinks are on me!

Very nice work Mr Sperto. I will be all over that list this week down in Centro. Will have to up date your link in my guide and re up it in the next few weeks as well.

I find your "Golden Dick"-Award very amusing. You deserve the golden "Bunda"-Award.

Thank you for the casas update. We all know that casas open, close and move. It takes some serious mongering to keep up with them!

Excellent update.

Carlos

[QUOTE=Poucolouco;1142637]Your analogy of an African Aids-ridden brothel shows your true character. For someone who spent six years posting on the other site, you are a slow learner. Things must be boring in Orlando if you have time to study my activity.[/QUOTE]If I may respond to the very unpleasant and unneccessary dialogue going on between Poucolouca and Exec Talent, as the member who asked the original question and someone that has no axe to grind with either, the question asked by Poucolouca ($ or R$) that gave rise to all of this was actually relevant to me as I have never been to Rio (or Brazil, for that matter) and I was unsure as to the currency being referred to. So, Poucolouca, thanks for the help and, Exec Talent, this is really not what the forum is all about. It is for civilised discourse between mongerers so that we can learn from each others experiences, not a place to wage war against each other.

That's my 10 pence worth (and it's UK pence I'm referring to!)

Team Rio:

I've been mongering SP for the past six years and am considering a trip back to Rio. I was never a fan of Help (now named Balcony Bar?) and preferred meeting a new friend at Cafe Atlantico or Mia Pataca outside of Help. I found less pros and more amateurs, a good mix of PSE and GFE though anal was often lacking. I went with the Termas occasionally, but prefer to bring a girl back to my place. SP is great for anal and with the exception of my last trip where all the girl were all business (course it was in the middle of the World Cup) , hence my desire to return to the dark streets of Rio. How's this Balcony Bar working out? How about the action outside? What are the prices looking like these days? Appreciate the "help."

[QUOTE=Davis150; 1143710]Team Rio:

How's this Balcony Bar working out? How about the action outside? What are the prices looking like these days? Appreciate the "help."[/QUOTE]I pull 8's. Pricing for ST around midnight is R100 after a brief negotiation, or hold out for fractional-TLN past 2 am for as low as R150. If you go for 9's and the occasional 10, they will push you much higher. Some greenhorns have been paying R400 TLN, even R400 ST. Those jerks exist in FL scenes of every city though, coming in like hormonal sugar daddies and fucking up the market pricing. I think it's unavoidable. Let's just be thankful the rich Japanese and Chinese biz guys haven't discovered Rio as a place to do business, en masse. Yet!

May I digress? I did see some Chinese guys in Copa at the Arena hotel in February. And Japanese walking down Siqueria Campos last June. And Chinese at Balcony. Sent a chill down my each time. I'm not against the races. I just dislike the males, ....and the crazed condition of the women's bushes. God knows, I love Japanese women, their ways of being ladies and hos at the same time, how cute they are, and their wonderful BJ's! But the Japanese and Chinese biz guys screw things up. They should keep their asses at home instead of screwing up the places that us poor Westerner biz guys monger. In North Jakarta, there are places where the girls won't fuck anything but Chinese business men because they are big-time tippers. This tipping practice of the Chinese is BS and they had better never bring it to Rio. I never tip a girl in Rio, even for repeated BBFS. A girl at Tijuca Tigresas kept wanting me to tip her for CIM, multiple days during last February. The CIM was her hook, and only thing keeping me coming back. So hells no. Tipping is out of the question, unless the Asians come in and change the status quo. That goes for not just the casas, but the freelancers too. If you want to see what a fair price for FL pussy in Rio is like, see Spertos' casas post below. Casa girls only take home half of that, so assume FL girls would accept the same if there was no competition amongst men. The girls really don't value themselves that much, their pussies or their health risks..most just don't care and only want to make a little money and be treated okay. There is room to negotiate in the FL scene and you maybe be surprised how low it can go late at night. I've never tried that hard below R100, but see the potential.

Just came back from 10 days in Brazil. Most in Rio, but also 2 nights in Sao Paulo and 2 nights in Buzios. Like others have wrote, if you go to Buzios, take a girl with you. It is much easier.

The day we left Buzios was also the day I was to leave back to Lax but later in the night. So from Buzios, we took the bus to the airport which cost are$60. 00, then rented a locker to store our luggage. My locker cost are$12. 00 because I had to rent a large locker. My buddy paid are$9. 00 for a smaller locker.

The lockers are in both terminals located on the outside part of the terminals. We then took the bus to centro for are$8. 00 to have our last flings.

Anyways, here is day 1. Arrive around 09:30 Sunday but had to wait for my buddy who was on another flight. Didn't matter because our apt wouldn't be availiable until noon.

I met up with my buddy, did the usual walk upstairs to catch a cab. I did ask the pre-paid fares and they were asking for are$90. 00 which is quite high.

Our apt. Was located on the south end of Coppacabana and the fare was are$40. 00, less than half of the pre-paid cabs.

We had lunch, got settled into the apt. And waited until 15:30 to walk to m / see. The reports are correct, m / see is now closed on Sundays. We then headed for Luomo's.

Luomo's was okay, but didn't see any stunners like in the past but it didn't matter, I was so horny. Jordana was the pick. She isn't the prettiest girl there, but she has a great ass.

After making out for about a half an hour, time to go up. Plenty of kissing, BBBJ, and an overall good time.

Damage. Entrada are$35. 00 with discount for early arrival. Are$320. 00 for the girl, and are$18. 00 for three cokes. As you can see, it is getting pretty expensive.

By the way, Most of the Coppacabana exchange rates were are$163 to the dollar. Before I left the exchange rate was are$166 to the dollar. I just changed $100usd and waited until tomorrow to see if the centro cambios would give a better rate.

Today the centro termas but first a trip to massgem tijuca. We walk to the metro and buy a pre. Paid card. Unlike years past, where the card was good for so many rides, this card is only good for the amount purchased. Basically you have to guess how much money you have left on the card before recharging.

With a special thanks to Voyajer1, who gave me direction to massagem tijuca, we got there with no problems. This place is located on the other side of Macarana stadium from the metro stop.

Out of the lineup, I picked Amanda. Boy, talk about alot of fun. I only took the are$50 half hour option but it was great. Everything was on the menu. We had so much fun together, she asked me to have drinks with her after work sometime. Unfortunately, not enough time with everything I wanted to do. Only regret, I should have asked her to go to Buzios with me. I'am sure she would have went. I guess there is always next time.

By the way, here is the pricing, are$50 for 1/2 hour are$60 for 40 minutes, and are$80 for an hour. My buddy had alot of fun with his chick but I cannot remember her name. Two thumbs up for this place.

After our session, walked back to the metro for the ride back into centro.

Now back into centro, got off at the usual Uruguaiana. On the way to 4x4 we stopped at a casa de cambio. They gave are$1. 65 to the dollar. Much better than in Copa. Change a larger than usual sum of dollars and was all set.

Got into 4x4 around 15:00, plenty of time to take advantage of the waived entrance fee. Here to, I thought not as many stunners as in years past, but many doable girls.

I took a tall slim girl named Viviana. Very nice session. Not as good as Amanda earlier, but good nonetheless.

After the session, went to the back bar, but like noted on previous reports, it is now a smaller smoking bar. I liked it better before. This was the place I would go to after a session just to recharge the batteries. Now I go to the sauna room to recharge.

Cost at 4x4 is are$200 for 40 minutes and are$220 for an hour. Take a girl up before 17:00, the entrance fee is waived saving are$50. 00.

We stayed at 4x4 until around 20:00 and then headed for 65.

First thing we notice at 65, the wiskeria is no longer there. We go inside and the lady tells us the wiskeria is now located on the 3rd floor.

So we think about it and tell the lady, that's where we want to go. Thinking back since there is no discount of any kind at 65. We should have just gone into the boite.

Entrance was are$80. 00 whether or not you go to the wiskeria or the boite. When we get to the wiskeria, there are only two other persons in the room. Word gets out but only about 6 girls come down to check out the action in the wiskeria.

Nothing great, nothing bad but with the limited amount of girls there, I chose a girl named Sabrina. Not the pretiest but was very friendly upstairs. Since this was my third girl for the day, I was just about running on fumes. Finished the deed and I was done for the night.

Damage, are$210. 00 for the girl, and are$95 for the room. Just about as much as the Copa. Thermas. Also, with the entrance, included is two drinks, but still high for a centro termas.

Next time, forget the wiskeria, go to the boite. At least you can see all the girl in there. Also, at 4x4 and Cancun, if you go to their wiskeria, they only charge are$20. 00 to get in.

After the session, walked back to the metro station to call it a night.

Today, we head out to Tijuca again. This time TigresasTijucanas. Like previous reported, it is near a parking garage. If fact, there is a church on one side, a parking garage on the other. Prices are the same as massagem tijuca.

We go in, they present the lineup. My buddy picks Natasha. Pretty girl with a nice size chest. I didn't see anyone else that caught my eye. I did ask the reception lady if Amanda was working that day. This is a different Amanda, but on their website, she has a smoking body. Unfortunately, the lady said she wouldn't be in until later.

So instead of waiting for my buddy to finnish his session. I walked about a 1/2 block down the street to Annes massagem. Prices were the same and one girl caught my eye. I can't remember her name, but she has reddish brown hair and for are$50. 00, hard to beat.

The room was basically a mattress on the floor but it did have a shower so it wasn't that bad. The session itself was very good. No complaints.

Walked back to meet my buddy and he told me Natasha was well worth it. Got back on the metro back to centro.

This time we went to the wiskeria at Cancun. Entrance was are$20. 00. Flavia the waitress remembered us from two years ago. She is such a cool chick.

Anyways, I took a skinny girl name isis and like the previous girl, alot of fun. So far I haven't had to put up with some of the girls trying to perform CBJ. Two years ago, I had a couple of girls do it, and it kind of killed the moment. Especially in Brazil.

After the session, my buddy took a cute girl up, not sure what her name was, but he said she was kind of professional, not GFE the way he and I like it.

We left Cancun around 19:00 and went to Porcau's to meet a friend who lives in Rio. Had a great meal and for dessert, we went to Monte Carlo.

My friend who lives in Rio had never been to m / see so I treated him. Upstairs I see a very big girl with an absolute pretty face staring at me. I melt. She comes over and we start to make out. My friends are laughing knowing I'am not going to last to long and are betting how long it takes to go up to the room. About 20 minutes later up we go.

Barbara is the girls name. Tall, big ass, big chest and pretty face. Session was great. Nice sloppy BBBJ, and surprise, rimming from her to me. Haven't had that done on me for a while. Overall, two very big thumbs up. Can't remember the breakdown, but I paid just under are$800 for me and my friend. Excellent end to an excellent day.

Today we decide to sleep in a bit. No tijuca today, instead straight to centro and hit 4x4. Today I see a very beautiful girl who I didn't see the other day. Her name is Dayane.

Very pretty and was good upstairs, but just not great. If the session was just a little bit better, she could have been repeat material. But since I'am almost at the halfway point, time to keep looking.

After hanging out a bit, we decided to go back to Cancun. On the way there, we see a termas called 21. We check it out. I believe it was are$10. 00 to get in which included two drinks.

Here you don't change into robes. There were about 20 girls there with only one I would consider doable. It's funny, most of the girls hung out at the bathroom so they could smoke. The girls were mostly older and thick.

The one girl who I thought was doable came over to me. Her name was Pricilla. She was very friendly but I just couldn't pull the trigger and take her up. My friend and I, made an excuse saying we had to leave. She gave me her phone number and told her to call when she wasn't working. She at least seemed like someone who would be fun to hang around with. Didn't have the time to call her though. Off to Cancun.

Back at the wiskeria, this place is packed. Flavia tells us to wait, and about 10 miuntes later, she has a table for us. Great service since there were guys before us, still waiting for a table.

One of the strangest moments happen while we were waiting. Isis, the girl I took the day before was sitting with a client. No problem, that's there job. The wierd part was when she went to the bathroom, she saw me and my friend but totally shined us on.

Thats a first for me in Brazil. Usually, even if a girl is with a client, they usually will at least smile or say Hello. This girl just totally blew us off. Oh well, so much for repeat business.

So after a while, I see a cute but very skinny girl named Luana. For you guys who wants a girl who speaks English, this girl is for you. She maybe a bit to skinny for most of you, but she is totally cool. I usually don't like it when the girls speaks English, it usually means she is hard core.

Luana said she learn how to speak English in School and not by occupation. That was a relief. Took her upstairs and had a good time with her. Her BBBJ could have been a little bit better, but overall, a good session.

Again, she is totally cool but physically, she is skinny with a smaller than usual chestsize.

After this session, time to call it a night. Head back to the metro, got off at Ipanema, took a cab to Sushi Leblon. Not the best sushi, but at least they are open late. We got there around 22:45, and they were still open.

Last full day in Rio before flying out to Sao Paulo the next morning.

Today we went to 65 and because there is no discount for early arrivals or the wiskeria, we went to the boite, robe and all.

Much better selection than the wiskeria. There were many I would do in the boite. The girl I chose was Grazi. Morena very pretty with a body that fits my description to a t.

Spent about an hour with her in the boite, then upstairs we went. I was in heaven the whole time I was with her. Great session and before leaving, I asked her if she wanted to go to Buzios with me after getting back from Sao Paulo. She said maybe and gave me her phone number. I had a smile from ear to ear.

I was pretty much satisfied with the session but my buddy wanted to go to Balcony Bar.

So off we went. We were able to secure a table when the rains came down. I Know this is the place since Help closed down, but I wasn't impressed. Yes, you can find lookers and gems, it just seems to take more time to find them. With my limited time in Rio, I don't have that much time to waste. This place is not my cup of tea.

With that said, I did pickup a pretty morena named Diana. We settled for are$200. 00 for the rest of the night. Her performance was good but not great. Not totally GFE, but she did give an awesome BBBJ.

Now comes the drama. Her friend calls her and Diana tells me she has to leave. I told her about our agreement but she insist she has to leave. Truthfully, I didn't care if she left or not, I was satisfied with my 65 girl earlier. I gave her are$150 and since we had a morning flight the next day, it was probably for the better.

Days 8 and 9 were spent in Buzios. Like said before, if you go and you should, take a girl with you. Very romantic place with good seafood restaurant all around. Also this is the place when I went to exchange money, the rate was are$1. 55 to the dollar. At first I thought it was just another tourist rip off joint but all the cambios were at that rate. I did find out the dollar lost value during the last two days. Good thing I exchange alot of dollars back in Rio at the rate of are$1. 65.

Day 10, my last day in Brazil. Took the 09:00 bus from Buzios to the airport. Got to the airport around 12:20. Rented a locker for me and my buddy to store our luggage so we wouldn't have to drag the suitcases everywhere we went.

From the airport we took the bus for are$8. 00 to centro. The locals on the bus were cool and made sure they told us when to get off.

We headed straight for 4x4 our last stop in paradise.

Since we knew our time was limited, the plan was to hook up with a chick early, and if possible hook up with a second chick but must be going upstairs by 17:00 to get back to the airport on time.

Unfortunately the selection at 14:00 is not the greatest. Girl slumber in and we kept looking at our watches. My buddy hooked up first and was going up to the the room by 14:30. It took me a little longer but I settled on Raysa.

In the room we start to dfk, I get wood and she opens up the condom wrapper and puts the condom on for a CBJ. I look at her and said what the hell are you doing? This would have been the only girl who gave me a CBJ on this trip. Anyways she said it safer with a condom. I gave her a firm answer saying all week long no one has given me a CBJ and I might just write you off and pick another girl.

She then proceeded to take the condom off and started with a BBBJ. My faith was restored. Although the session was good. I would not recommend this chick. More business like but I know she has many followers. She showed me her phone with alot of guys phone numbers. I would put her in the hard core group of girls.

After the session, came downstairs to see if I could squeeze in one more before leaving. My buddy found a second girl and went up. This was about 16:30.

Looking at my watch, it was now 17:00 and nothing else caught my eye. I figure, I guess I go out with a whimper. Then, I see a group of girls come in. One was tall and slim but couldn't see here face. They walked to the stage and then walked back through the door. I immediately got up to follow. They were at the elevator and I saw the one girls face.

I pointed to her and asked her name. She said it was Thais and it was her first day working there.

The way I was feeling before seeing her, I wasn't even sure I could get it up again. Talking with her, I immediately got wood. Funny how that works sometimes. About 30 girls in the club and I couldn't get a woody. Speaking to this girl and 30 seconds later I'am hard as a rock.

I tell her I don't have much time and I wasn't going to go upstairs but again, no regrets. We go upstairs, it is about 17:30 and I tell her, even though we have the room for 40 minutes, I have to leave in 30. She said okay.

Best decision I made all trip. Fantastic session. Made my flight home a very happy one, with great memories.

Not sure if I will be back next year. If I don't, at least I know I went out with a bang this year.

How's the action outside of where Help used to be? Mia Pateca still a good afternoon spot? Any other good outdoor places where a wink and a nod will get you some company? Thanks

Nice reports. Excellent

[QUOTE=Quackup; 1143858]After the session, went to the back bar, but like noted on previous reports, it is now a smaller smoking bar. I liked it better before. This was the place I would go to after a session just to recharge the batteries. Now I go to the sauna room to recharge.

Cost at 4x4 is are$200 for 40 minutes and are$220 for an hour. Take a girl up before 17:00, the entrance fee is waived saving are$50. 00. [/QUOTE]Thanks for confirming that the upstairs bar at 4x4 is now a smoking bar. Also, are the amounts you quoted in Dollars or Reais? Just kidding.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1143762]I pull 8's. Pricing for ST around midnight is R100 after a brief negotiation, or hold out for fractional-TLN past 2 am for as low as R150. If you go for 9's and the occasional 10, they will push you much higher. Some greenhorns have been paying R400 TLN, even R400 ST. Those jerks exist in FL scenes of every city though, coming in like hormonal sugar daddies and fucking up the market pricing. I think it's unavoidable. Let's just be thankful the rich Japanese and Chinese biz guys haven't discovered Rio as a place to do business, en masse. Yet!

May I digress? I did see some Chinese guys in Copa at the Arena hotel in February. And Japanese walking down Siqueria Campos last June. And Chinese at Balcony. Sent a chill down my each time. I'm not against the races. I just dislike the males, . And the crazed condition of the women's bushes. God knows, I love Japanese women, their ways of being ladies and hos at the same time, how cute they are, and their wonderful BJ's! But the Japanese and Chinese biz guys screw things up. They should keep their asses at home instead of screwing up the places that us poor Westerner biz guys monger. In North Jakarta, there are places where the girls won't fuck anything but Chinese business men because they are big-time tippers. This tipping practice of the Chinese is BS and they had better never bring it to Rio. I never tip a girl in Rio, even for repeated BBFS. A girl at Tijuca Tigresas kept wanting me to tip her for CIM, multiple days during last February. The CIM was her hook, and only thing keeping me coming back. So hells no. Tipping is out of the question, unless the Asians come in and change the status quo. That goes for not just the casas, but the freelancers too. If you want to see what a fair price for FL pussy in Rio is like, see Spertos' casas post below. Casa girls only take home half of that, so assume FL girls would accept the same if there was no competition amongst men. The girls really don't value themselves that much, their pussies or their health risks. Most just don't care and only want to make a little money and be treated okay. There is room to negotiate in the FL scene and you maybe be surprised how low it can go late at night. I've never tried that hard below R100, but see the potential. [/QUOTE]If it is not the Europeans, it's the Asians. If not the Asians, the Americans? Round and round we go. Who are you to tell people how to spend there monies? On my last visit to Balcony, as Exec Talent stated, it was like the bar scene in Star Wars. Oddly, you are finding 8's at $100-$150R? From my recent visits, I only saw < 6/10 (if that!). In my book, they should be no more than $50R. And if they are nice, I may throw in a few Rs so they can take their favellada ass back home in a combi or van. If we are talking about the same gals, you are f+cking up the program by over paying. Man, WTF?

I have just an advice : the best day (or better night!) to go to Balcony it is Sunday because most of termas are closed and you can find Garotas from Termas in Balcony, I was 3 weeks agos in Balcony and I have met girls I never seen the others nights. They were very very beautiful Believe me!

Hey iam headed to Rio with a couple of friends for our 50th. Been there many times and I love it obviously. Would love some recommendations for the best of the best. I don't want to screw up the "market" but you only turn 50 once. Iam not looking for the best value, quality for cheapest price. I simply want the best! Would love to find some of those Globo girls, starving models or students that can be tempted with a great meal, some money and in return some great GFE. I was always pretty lucky in Help but unfortunately no more. Any recommendation for high end escorts websites or other net destinations / other? Which Terma has the best quality. I too like the slimmer girls.

Alone in Copa this week looking for other hobbyists to hang out with. My Rio experience so far is limited to Termas.

[QUOTE=Frenchieboy;1144427]I have just an advice : the best day (or better night!) to go to Balcony it is Sunday because most of termas are closed and you can find Garotas from Termas in Balcony, I was 3 weeks agos in Balcony and I have met girls I never seen the others nights. They were very very beautiful Believe me![/QUOTE]Interesting and new information. How much were they quoting? And what time of night were you there?

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman;1144601]Interesting and new information. How much were they quoting? And what time of night were you there?[/QUOTE]Prices 200 Reals for about 1 hour I have met the first at 6 pm and the second at 10 pm the first called Vivian and the second I don't remember

Just a reminder that termas are closed on Good Friday. L'uomo will be open on Easter Sunday though so be sure to buy a chocolate egg for your favorite girl.

Just wanted to remind guys who visit Monte Carlo to sign up to get e-mail promotions.

[url]http://www.termasmontecarlo.com.br/promocoes.shtml[/url]

In addition to the frequent visitors and free entry on Tuesdays offers, they also have promotions like the one I received for today where your entry fee goes towards the cost of your drinks.

Be sure to check out sites for Solarium and L'uomo as well.

[url]http://www.solarium.com.br/news.php[/url]

[url]http://www.luomo.com.br/vantagensing.html[/url] (click the arrows near the bottom left to see offers)

Coming down for trip number seven in May. Will Monte Carlo be open on Sundays? Last time we were there MC was closed.

Thanks

Every day at 5 PM Balcony has happy hour. As long as you are buying drinks they put out free food, fried chicken, sausage and stuff, it looked pretty good. I already ate so I didn't partake but it can serve as a meal. The gdp's were eating up a storm and some didn't even buy a drink, so was the staff, they were eating from some guys plate who was sitting there with his laptop, A couple of TV's were chatting me up, they started by asking me the time on my watch, I told them to look at their phone. All the gdp's at that time of day were the bottom of the barrell, probably go for the free food cause they make no money.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1145126]Swing clubs are not my cup of tea, but of curiosity, how is the quality of the women? Middleaged, young, fit, fat, goodlooking, ugly?

How does it work? Couples switch partners in a giant bed, and other guys sit around watching and wanking or do they have like private rooms? [/QUOTE]Yes they have it all: Middle-aged, young, fit, fat, good-looking, ugly. Last night most of the girls I was with were late 20's early 30's and all fit and good looking. Seems like many of the girls are bi-sexual so if they like your girl you can get some action. Last night everybody seemed to like the girl I was with, the place was not crowded at first I thought that would be bad but it turned out to be good.

This club 2A2 has several private rooms so if 2 couples agree to go together they can go into a room and lock the door or keep the door open and have other couples watch or squeeze in which happens. They also have larger beds out in the open and a larger room where everybody sort of squeezes in together.

I once went with a girl who didn't want to go with anyone else so we went into a room by ourselves then I opened the door and 2 couples spilled in our room and I watched them go at it they were young and hot.

I went last Saturday with a different girl she was 22, I'm older than her parents and I would say a 40ish couple liked her, the guy did my 22 year old and I did his 40ish wife, she was pretty nice and I enjoyed it. Later one beautiful blonde girl was giving BJ's in the group room and I slid my fingers inside her to what was probably the most wet bucetta I have ever felt.

Last night when I was with my girl alone she was giving me a BBBJ, some guy I see is coming over by himself and pulling out his pau and getting ready to take my girl from behind, I maneuver my girl so he can't get at her and ask him where his girlfriend is, he said in the bathroom, I told him don't come back without her. You see this often, a guy comes in with a girl, she doesn't do much with anybody else but he tries to get laid as much as he can.

Or sometimes you will go with a couple and the guy will be all over your girl and his girl won't even allow you to slip your finger in, again this happened last night while the guy was ready to slip it in my girl I told him no we are leaving the game here is to switch not pull a fast one.

So you get all types but generally it works out OK.

The place has a hallway, generally I stand with my girl in the hallway and couples are next to you kissing, people are close, I'm kissing my girl and you go steal a feel of the girl next to you, touch her ass or something, if it's ok with everybody the guy will do the same with my girl and then the girl may touch my dick but we are all dressed. This may go on for a couple of minutes and then we may all move to a private room and I'll fuck his girl and he'll fuck mine like I said before with the door open or closed.

[QUOTE=FLRoadWarrior; 1145054]Coming down for trip number seven in May. Will Monte Carlo be open on Sundays? Last time we were there MC was closed.

Thanks[/QUOTE]They only open Sunday during Summer. Summer has now passed and they do not open on Sunday anymore.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon; 1145150]Yes they have it all: Middle-aged, young, fit, fat, good-looking, ugly. Last night most of the girls I was with were late 20's early 30's and all fit and good looking.....[/QUOTE]Interesting to hear how it works at 2a2. Do the people robe up, stay dressed or walk around naked?

The hot girls, are they mostly GP's that some guy brought just so he will be able to switch or are they normal couples?

If I brought a 22 year old goodlooking GP girl I would get pissed of if somebody wanted to "trade" her for some 40 year old meat. It would be like I'm paying for him having sex with a hottie, while I get to f*ck his old lady.

I guess you have to bring a whole bunch of condoms when going to 2a2. It would be fun if you could post a picture taken inside the club.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1145261]Interesting to hear how it works at 2a2. Do the people robe up, stay dressed or walk around naked?

The hot girls, are they mostly GP's that some guy brought just so he will be able to switch or are they normal couples?

If I brought a 22 year old goodlooking GP girl I would get pissed of if somebody wanted to "trade" her for some 40 year old meat. It would be like I'm paying for him having sex with a hottie, while I get to f*ck his old lady.

I guess you have to bring a whole bunch of condoms when going to 2a2. It would be fun if you could post a picture taken inside the club. [/QUOTE]It's a night out, meeting people, having fun, they have a show, music and dancing. If you want to just stay home with your 22 yr old GP then you can do that, I would find it boring to just do that all the time, so you switch partners with someone else, maybe your girl is younger but it's the night out that counts.

That's why I liked Help because it was a night out, listen to music, meet people, and thats why I don't like balcony because I don't like hanging out there, I don't like standing in the street or the sidewalk.

There are hot girls with young guys, some are their girlfriends and yes some are gp. Each couple has a different story, I met one young couple who worked toigether in a gym, he was a trainer, she was the reseptionist, she was beautiful, he liked my girl. Others bring their wives, some just fuck by themself and watch others, some just let you touch their wives pussy but not fuck them, everybody is different.

Every time you change partners you have to change the condom, I usually bring 8 with me.

The whole thing takes place between midnight and 4 am, so you have 4 hours to have fun. You stay dressed, when you meet another couple in the room you can take your clothes off or just pull down your pants, most girls wear dresses and no panties, they just lift up their dress to show the goods.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon; 1145458]It's a night out, meeting people, having fun, they have a show, music and dancing. If you want to just stay home with your 22 yr old GP then you can do that, I would find it boring to just do that all the time, so you switch partners with someone else, maybe your girl is younger but it's the night out that counts.

That's why I liked Help because it was a night out, listen to music, meet people, and thats why I don't like balcony because I don't like hanging out there, I don't like standing in the street or the sidewalk.

There are hot girls with young guys, some are their girlfriends and yes some are gp. Each couple has a different story, I met one young couple who worked toigether in a gym, he was a trainer, she was the reseptionist, she was beautiful, he liked my girl. Others bring their wives, some just fuck by themself and watch others, some just let you touch their wives pussy but not fuck them, everybody is different.

Every time you change partners you have to change the condom, I usually bring 8 with me.

The whole thing takes place between midnight and 4 am, so you have 4 hours to have fun. You stay dressed, when you meet another couple in the room you can take your clothes off or just pull down your pants, most girls wear dresses and no panties, they just lift up their dress to show the goods. [/QUOTE]Rio Bob (I prefer your old name) , I think I understand what you mean. It's not just about getting to f*ck another man's woman, it's about the experience. I can understand that. Me and friends have brought a bunch of GP's to moteis and switched partners. Great fun! But I never done this with totally strangers. I would never visit a swingers club with a GF, but maybe I would give it a try together with a GP or a f*ckfriend.

Help was like an amusement park to me. I know you liked Help. I just enjoyed Help for having parties with buddies, not for searching for GP's (not meaning that I didn't end up going home with GP's lots of times). Rio has a magnificent nightlife. Nightlife and mongering are two different things for me. Balcony, that's just a low-end ZOO.

I'm not a exhibiotinist neither a voyeur, but I do have to admit that you're getting me a bit curious of visiting 2a2. I've seen Bar do Pato (Duck Bar) in Rio Branco, Remulos in Manaus and Bar São Sebastião in São Luís, but I've never seen a place like 2a2.

Some pictures inside the club would be very appreciated.

I enjoy your reports. Different from the usual Balcony, Luomo and Monte Carlo reports.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1145467]Rio Bob (I prefer your old name) , Some pictures inside the club would be very appreciated.

I enjoy your reports. Different from the usual Balcony, Luomo and Monte Carlo reports. [/QUOTE]I doubt they would let me take any pictures of the club in swing. When I took the fotos in Balcony the other night they told me that fotos are not permitted so I'm sure especially in 2a2 they would not allow it plus sometimes they pat you down with a metal detector when you enter and my camera now is too big. Look at their website they have some fotos of the club:

[url]http://www.2a2.com.br/home.php[/url]

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon; 1145521]I doubt they would let me take any pictures of the club in swing. When I took the fotos in Balcony the other night they told me that fotos are not permitted so I'm sure especially in 2a2 they would not allow it plus sometimes they pat you down with a metal detector when you enter and my camera now is too big. Look at their website they have some fotos of the club:

[url]http://www.2a2.com.br/home.php[/url][/QUOTE]I went to 2a2 2 1/2 years ago and another swing club downtown last year. Both times I went with a friend and 2 GDPs that we brought with us. I got the impression that a lot of the girls there were GDPs. In fact one time I said to my friend in English,"That girl looks familiar," and her Brasileiro date gave me a very terse,"Well she is here with ME now!" Then I remembered that I had been with her once before at 4x4.

What was pretty annoying about both places was that whenever I would go somewhere with a girl I would immediately be surrounded by jacking-off guys. At the downtown club most of the rooms had glory holes and taking a girl in would quickly result in cocks coming through the holes and when that failed to get the desired response hands would come through and try to grab the girl. Luckily the girls knew where some rooms were without glory holes but they were too damn dark and I like to see a girl while I am banging her and do it in comfort not on some cramped wooden bench or standing up.

They were good places to take a girl dancing though. The girls never seemed to get enough of the stripper pole in the downtown club.

The funny thing was that the girls were very excited when we told them we were taking them there. I am not sure why. Either, like most girls, they just like to be taken out on a date, or there was something they liked about the erotic atmosphere. When we suggested going to a room for some action they were very enthusiastic about it.

Neither time I went to the clubs was there any real interaction with other couples. Most of them just seemed to be wanting to be in the erotic atmosphere. Overall I did not like the experience though. Too many seemingly unattached guys stalking us even though both clubs required everyone entering to be in a couple. It looked like most of the girls were GDPs or not doable anyway so for a real swing experience I did not see the point. It is unlikely you will be able to show up with a GDP and fuck some guy's hot wife but it can be a fun place to take a lady dancing.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon; 1145521]I doubt they would let me take any pictures of the club in swing. When I took the fotos in Balcony the other night they told me that fotos are not permitted so I'm sure especially in 2a2 they would not allow it plus sometimes they pat you down with a metal detector when you enter and my camera now is too big. Look at their website they have some fotos of the club:

[url]http://www.2a2.com.br/home.php[/url][/QUOTE]They told you no photos in Balcony? Does that woman still walk around with the camera offering to take and sell you picutres of the new love of your life that you just met?

[QUOTE=Edward M;1145576]They told you no photos in Balcony? Does that woman still walk around with the camera offering to take and sell you picutres of the new love of your life that you just met?[/QUOTE]Of an individual yes, I can take your foto or my foto but you can't take pictures of the general public and I was taking video, lets face it the meninas don't want to be photographed there and posted on the internet for all to see.

My videos of girls faces are unlisted so you can only view if you have the link.

Like I said in the past a girl from 10 years ago in Help contacted me because she was in one of my Help videos and I knew her, I understood her plea, she was married now in SP with kids and her husband wouldn't understand her dancing in Help. She was a sweetheart so I removed it. This is one reason why I posted the face pics on youtube because I have control over it.

[QUOTE=Edward M;1145575]It is unlikely you will be able to show up with a GDP and fuck some guy's hot wife but it can be a fun place to take a lady dancing.[/QUOTE]True but someones fuck buddy yes and I usually travle with a GDP who is more age appropriate for me so it doesn't look to obvious.

When I was on line getting in Wednesday a Brazilian man introduced himself to me, and his wife. I never met up with her but he was checking out my date who happened to be 22, lets face it if you're 45 or 50 and so is your wife would you care if the girl you're fucking is a gdp although young and beautiful?

I went to Ipanema last night looking for a place to eat on Farme de amoeda, I walked down the street and spotted a nice looking woman waiting for something, she was going to a birthday party and gave me her number for a date some night.

I ate at a restaurant called Milano.

Took a taxi to Cafe del mar, took the all you can drink option which was a mistake drinking chivas regal. Spent some time talking to 2 40ish ladies from Barra, one was completely deaf and she was the one I was attracted to, can you imagine someone reading your lips in Portuguese? I asked her how my accent was.

Then I met 3 guys in cafe del mar from South Africa here on business consulting about crime. They asked me if there were any other places to go besides cafe del mar, I told them Balcony, they asked me if it was a nice place like cafe del mar, I told them it was hell but you'll have a good time. We all walked there together.

They were buying me drinks like I needed more after the all you can drink thing.

Don't remember much after that as I woke up at a table in the botequem outside my building at 7 am. A young couple sitting next to me we were chatting, they just left LeGirl and LeBoy, he was gay she was lesbica. They came from Petropolis. I spoke to them about things trying to wake up, she was cute and young. He went to the bathroom, I asked her if she only likes girls, she said no, she likes men more, I said maybe you can spend an hour with me my apt is next store, she said will you pay me I said sure 100 reais. Best blow job I had this week, It took the full hour, topped the night off. I told her if she comes to the swing club with me there are plenty of girls there for her, she wants to go.

Friday night went to 2A2 again, the locals are starting to recognize me, tell me come over and sit and talk a while. I noticed a woman check me out I went over to speak to her, she was with her girlfriend, girlfriend was Italian no men with them. During the show they stood in front of me while I felt their ass but I never saw them in the swing room, too bad.

All total I remember doing about 5 girls. 1 18 year old mullata who was DATY my girl and I took this one from behind while the guy was getting a BBBJ from my girl.

In the main large room met a couple young, she was beautiful, the guy starts to do my girl standing up, I said lets go to a room as standing up fucking is not my favorite position but they all wanted to stay there, I fucked this beauty from behind standing up, what a place.

Then mid evening taking a break my girl gets on stage and does a pole dance for me, looked very professional, she could have been a GO GO dancer, then another girl gets on stage and I have my fingers inside both of them, so does the guy of the other girl. He suggests we go upstairs, we do and I fuck his girl, fun stuff.

Then to top it off it was getting late whoever was left just was in one room at one point I had 2 girls on me, this is what finished it off.

Dropped my girl off then went to Balcony, noticed my keys were miissing to my apto, took a taxi back to 2a2 and they had them, lucky me, I alwyas carry 2 sets in 2 different places but I didn't want to lose them. Second time this week, once I left a restaurant and in the cab ride home I notice my wallet gone, told the cab go back to the restaruant in a hurry, the wallet was on the floor under the table, lucky me.

Losing things in the swing club is easy because you take your pants on and off, I should really check my stuff but I don't trust them, everything I always dropped in the club I always got back. I do use a pacsafe wallet with a hook and a chain so if the wallet falls out of my pocket its fastened to my belt loop but the keys were in my pocket, the second set of keys was in my wallet.

Tonight Saturday night I'll go to a different swing club, I have been there before my girl hasn'r but many people in 2a2 told us to come that its better, I don't know I think 2a2 is better but they all say the other place is better, we will see.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon;1145862]All total I remember doing about 5 girls...[/QUOTE]It sounds like you're enjoying yourself.

How about the hygiene at 2a2? Do the participants shower between the sessions, or do they go on all evening sweaty and smelly? What about the beds? Do they change sheets or do they use the same sheet all evening in "Vila Mimosa-style", with the risk that you lie down in another guy's load?

Edward mentioned that couples got surrounded by jacking-off guys. That would be a turn-of for me. Is that behaviour normal at 2a2?

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon; 1145862]Friday night went to 2A2 again, the locals are starting to recognize me, tell me come over and sit and talk a while. I noticed a woman check me out I went over to speak to her, she was with her girlfriend, girlfriend was Italian no men with them. During the show they stood in front of me while I felt their ass but I never saw them in the swing room, too bad.

All total I remember doing about 5 girls. 1 18 year old mullata who was DATY my girl and I took this one from behind while the guy was getting a BBBJ from my girl.

In the main large room met a couple young, she was beautiful, the guy starts to do my girl standing up, I said lets go to a room as standing up fucking is not my favorite position but they all wanted to stay there, I fucked this beauty from behind standing up, what a place.

Then mid evening taking a break my girl gets on stage and does a pole dance for me, looked very professional, she could have been a GO GO dancer, then another girl gets on stage and I have my fingers inside both of them, so does the guy of the other girl. He suggests we go upstairs, we do and I fuck his girl, fun stuff.

Then to top it off it was getting late whoever was left just was in one room at one point I had 2 girls on me, this is what finished it off.

Dropped my girl off then went to Balcony, noticed my keys were miissing to my apto, took a taxi back to 2a2 and they had them, lucky me, I alwyas carry 2 sets in 2 different places but I didn't want to lose them. Second time this week, once I left a restaurant and in the cab ride home I notice my wallet gone, told the cab go back to the restaruant in a hurry, the wallet was on the floor under the table, lucky me.

Losing things in the swing club is easy because you take your pants on and off, I should really check my stuff but I don't trust them, everything I always dropped in the club I always got back. I do use a pacsafe wallet with a hook and a chain so if the wallet falls out of my pocket its fastened to my belt loop but the keys were in my pocket, the second set of keys was in my wallet.

Tonight Saturday night I'll go to a different swing club, I have been there before my girl hasn'are but many people in 2a2 told us to come that its better, I don't know I think 2a2 is better but they all say the other place is better, we will see. [/QUOTE]I think that is the reason 2a2 has those nice SAFE and SECURE lockers to the left of the entrance. You know, right by where you cash out.
I believe that the idea is that you will not lose your stuff while having sex in the only area of the club where it is permitted, i.e., the second floor.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1145948]It sounds like you're enjoying yourself.

How about the hygiene at 2a2? Do the participants shower between the sessions, or do they go on all evening sweaty and smelly? What about the beds? Do they change sheets or do they use the same sheet all evening in "Vila Mimosa-style", with the risk that you lie down in another guy's load?

Edward mentioned that couples got surrounded by jacking-off guys. That would be a turn-of for me. Is that behaviour normal at 2a2? [/QUOTE]Since Sangue Bon is losing it, I will help him out by providing a couple of photos from the 2a2 website. In the first photo what you are seeing is an area on the second floor (where sex is permitted) with a small window overlooking the first floor (where sex is not permitted). The lighting is a lot more than you will find should you decide to go.

The second photo is one of maybe three small rooms in the middle of the second floor. There is a narrow hallway with two larger areas on each end and some semi-open areas throughout. As you can see, no sheets, just vinyl and rubber. No showers and just one bathroom per floor. Not somewhere you want to sit down and certainly one you want to shower immediately after visiting.

Good place for a change of pace; hang out, listen to music, dance, drink, see a mixed strip show (the guy is huge) with no sex, and watch and be watched. As for having sex with others, guess I haven't been as lucky as Sangue Bon since all I have seen in several visits is guys who brought GDPs looking to get the feeling they weren't paying for it by doing some other guy's woman and unattractive older women. If you register on their site and check the photo gallery you will get a better idea of who regularly attends.

Sperto, I am shocked. Shocked, I say, that someone who has been all over Brazil and knows all the best places, in the past, has not beelined for 2a2 as soon as you got off the plane. On your next trip I am sure rather than downtown Rio casas you will be telling us all about your nightly exploits at 2a2.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1145948]It sounds like you're enjoying yourself.

How about the hygiene at 2a2? Do the participants shower between the sessions, or do they go on all evening sweaty and smelly? What about the beds? Do they change sheets or do they use the same sheet all evening in "Vila Mimosa-style", with the risk that you lie down in another guy's load?

Edward mentioned that couples got surrounded by jacking-off guys. That would be a turn-of for me. Is that behaviour normal at 2a2? [/QUOTE]On Thursday nights in 2a2 they have single nights, many single men are there and a few single women and couples so yes on this night you will see many men jerking off, I only went one night for this with a girl but will never do it again.

On normal nights you may see some guys jerking off, maybe they are tired of fucking but it's not that you get surrounded by them.

They have a staff that goes around cleaning but it does get a little messy so you have to watch where you sit.

Last night me and the MILF went to dinner at Astor bar / restaurant in the building that used to be Barrill 1800 for so many years, good place to people watch. My girl wore a denim mini skirt in the restaurant but after we finished she went into the bathroom to change into a leather mini skirt outfit, she was so hot looking.

After that we went to Henry Club in Barra at Ave Do Pepe 400, during the week this is a termas so the facilities are huge, showers suites with bathrooms.

The place is run a little different than 2a2, in 2a2 you can go upstairs to the sex area anytime you want in Henry club at first you must stay in the boite and then after the show they let everyone go upstairs. They probably just want you to spend in the bar.

We got there at midnight, we went to the bar and I left my girl there to go to the men's room, when I got back she is making out with a young girl beautiful. The girl approached her and told her she wants her.

We hit the dance floor and many couples are making a sandwich with my girl, guy's girls all good looking. They shut the lights out on the dance floor sometimes so everybody is groping each other while dancing, I knew this would happen so I positioned myself near some good looking girls then you touch everything, slide your finger in them, touch their ass while your dancing, fun stuff. My girl is somewhat mature, tall good looking dresses nice, she is very attractive. The guys who don't have luck in these types of places are usually middle aged, balding, overweight, short men whose girl looks like a monkey, who wants to go near them. These are usually the people who have negative things to say about these places and walk around in life angry and with a bad attitude.

Then we went upstairs and they have a group room, my girl at first is giving me a BBBJ then I screw her doggy, she is a good actress too and screams out all the right things, couples are watching.

We moved to a more private room where another couple is already screwing, I starting fucking my girl next to them and then another couple comes in, she is young and beautiful and comes up to me immediately. I change condoms and start fucking her, her guy is fucking my girl, this was the best of the night, hung out with them most of the night. I fucked her twice, tall slim beautiful.

After that we moved from room to room had a little action here and there, we got back to Copa at 5 AM.

I have been to Henry club before but I prefer 2a2. The people in Henry club are from Recreio Barra and surrounding area. 2a2 has mostly zona sul people.

There is a different feel to Rio de Janeiro. The beach vendors are way better organized than they used to be, the thugs that used to harass the crap out of every tourist seems to have been 90% eliminated (Now and then you will get the asshole who will ask you the typical 'You are a mark' question: 'Hey, my friend'. No reply required, just keep walking.). Heck, the only place that seems out of place unfortunately was Balcony. The way they are cleaning things up in Copacabana, I expect it to be gone in a year, maybe less. The place is a dump. The city can call it anything they want and they would be right: A health hazard (Been to their restrooms?) , a biohazard, etc.

The exchange rate kind of bites, but I got a decent exchange rate from my favorite cambio downtown ($1. 00 = 1. 65BR) which wasn't bad at all. Went to some of my favorite casas and visited with some of my favorites. However, this one experience with one girl stood out for me because it went, oh, so well.

I went to 4 X 4 after my rounds around the city. On this particular day I was patient and decided to start my sessions at 4 X 4 that day. This one girl, who I had a prior encounter with, we will call her Miss 'A', since ever since that session she has been pestering me for a repeat performance. Well, my recollection of the session was not that memorable. Yes, she was my fifth girl of the day (I was being greedy that particular day, so what!) and I may have been a little bit tired, she complained because it took the whole hour to get me off. The nerve!

Fast forward to a few days ago. Miss 'A' in my eyes has a perfect body: Not an ounce of fat, perfect legs, nice deep tan lines, round bubble butt, 'A / B sized cups. Once again, same song and dance, this time I told her she was not very good, and it must have struck a nerve. She basically dared me to try again. I had nothing better to do, so I said: 'Let's go. '

I don't want to get into the blow by blow on this one, but very rarely I've had a woman just screw the crap out of me like she did. I think she wanted to prove a point and to make sure I had no doubt her ever again which I would not again. From start to finish, from the BBBJ to her cowgirl all the way to the pillow on her stomach doggy style finish, she was just plain as animated and attentive as I've ever had anywhere, ever. We used the whole hour again, this time, we were just going at it non-stop. That's why I love this hobby!

i often read complaints about how rio is changing to the worse.
look on the bright side.

some positive changes:

# camelôs: the street vendors that used to fill up the sidewalks in copa are gone. guarda municipal chase away the vendors and confirep001e their merchandise.

# beach vendors: there are much more control on the beach vendors. guardas and fiscais go after illegal vendors. e.g vendors that might be selling food which doesn't fulfill the hygienic standards.

# upp: the police pacifying units are doing a great work with their presence in almost all favelas in zona sul. schools, recreation centres for the youths etc are built in favelas. light is changing the gados for proper installations. the people living in the favelas are living much safer than before.

# safety in rio: rio isn't a safe place, but it's much safer than it used to be. less scumbags sneaking down from the morro's to rob people. more police and guarda municipal. less people living on the streets.

# buses: the faixa azul in copacabana has improved the traffic a lot. only buses and taxis with passengers might use the right lane. the bus stops are now divided into three categories, brs1, brs2 and brs3. each bus line belongs to one category and have it's fixed stops. no more waiving down the buses at any stop causing a confusion with other buses.

# help: now when help is gone that area of copa is much more calm, safe and clean. less scumbags, robbers, dealers and piranhas.

# gringos: because of brazil has become more expensive there are much less gringos. that's a good thing for the gringos who still go there. less competition for the girls and less gringos driving up the prices.

[quote=sperto; 1147745]i often read complaints about how rio is changing to the worse.

look on the bright side.

some positive changes:

# camelôs: the street vendors that used to fill up the sidewalks in copa are gone. guarda municipal chase away the vendors and confirep001e their merchandise.

# beach vendors: there are much more control on the beach vendors. guardas and fiscais go after illegal vendors. e. g vendors that might be selling food which doesn't fulfill the hygienic standards.

# upp: the police pacifying units are doing a great work with their presence in almost all favelas in zona sul. schools, recreation centres for the youths etc are built in favelas. light is changing the gados for proper installations. the people living in the favelas are living much safer than before. [/quote]i couldn't agree more about upp, but eduardo pães, mayor of rdj, is taking out the real carioca soul imho.

as a gringo living here, i believe sooner or later, he will close all the zona sul and oeste termas and the class a termas of the centro.

we cannot smoke anymore, even under the "barracas" of the beaches calçadas (in open air) , i miss my favourite mate leão vendor on the beach, lei seca, etc.

man, i love rio and the "bagunça" which come with!

cheers,

u.

[quote=sperto; 1147745]i often read complaints about how rio is changing to the worse.

look on the bright side.

some positive changes:

# camelôs: the street vendors that used to fill up the sidewalks in copa are gone. guarda municipal chase away the vendors and confirep001e their merchandise.

# beach vendors: there are much more control on the beach vendors. guardas and fiscais go after illegal vendors. e. g vendors that might be selling food which doesn't fulfill the hygienic standards.

# upp: the police pacifying units are doing a great work with their presence in almost all favelas in zona sul. schools, recreation centres for the youths etc are built in favelas. light is changing the gados for proper installations. the people living in the favelas are living much safer than before.

# safety in rio: rio isn't a safe place, but it's much safer than it used to be. less scumbags sneaking down from the morro's to rob people. more police and guarda municipal. less people living on the streets.

# buses: the faixa azul in copacabana has improved the traffic a lot. only buses and taxis with passengers might use the right lane. the bus stops are now divided into three categories, brs1, brs2 and brs3. each bus line belongs to one category and have it's fixed stops. no more waiving down the buses at any stop causing a confusion with other buses.

# help: now when help is gone that area of copa is much more calm, safe and clean. less scumbags, robbers, dealers and piranhas.

# gringos: because of brazil has become more expensive there are much less gringos. that's a good thing for the gringos who still go there. less competition for the girls and less gringos driving up the prices. [/quote]all of these points are valid, and the only one that truly interests me, and it may very well be the biggest positive of all, is your last statement!

excellent point!

[QUOTE=Sperto;1147745]I# Gringos: Because of Brazil has become more expensive there are much less gringos. That's a good thing for the gringos who still go there. Less competition for the girls and less gringos driving up the prices.[/QUOTE]I agree with everything you said, except the last statement! LOL! We forget we are dealing with the brasilian mindset. Because there are fewer gringos in Copa, the girls are asking for more and more to compensate for the lack of business. I just returned recently and I was shocked when girls were asking for 250-300R for an hour, off the beach!

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1147745]I often read complaints about how Rio is changing to the worse.

Look on the bright side.

Some positive changes:

[/QUOTE]Seems they are putting their act together for the Olympics.

Rio will be upside with the Olympic rules and behaviour, trust me!

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1147890]Seems they are putting their act together for the Olympics.
Rio will be upside with the Olympic rules and behaviour, trust me! [/QUOTE]I'm sure that Rio will manage the Olympics just perfect. There will be a lot of delays in the preparation and it will be very costly (imagine all the people putting money in their own pockets), but it will be a success. Imagine how proud the brazilians will be of being the host country.

Hopefully it will mean a lot of good changes for the cariocas. Safer city and better infrastructure etc.

the last reports i read by the world cup body were rep001hing on rio's progress for the upcoming world cup. they are way behind on everything. yes progress has been made by rio as far as safety etc, but they are still way behind on where they should be to becoming a world class city capable of holding 2 of the biggest international events.

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Well, folks I finally made it to Rio, which is a good part. The bad part is that I have booked a nice suite in a sex hotel in Tijuca for 3 nights during some sort of no sex twilight zone. Scortshow / Karlamodels wouldn't take my calls over skype, while f*ing TIM wants CPF number, which I can't register be / see all TIM offices are closed. StarCris did send one chic from Copacabana but it cost almost same money in inflated taxi fees (feriada) as the deed! Centro looks totally abandoned during Thu / Fri so all the famed places (4x4) are close but closed (pun intended). Even Uomo is closed. I might as well go to church. Being stuck in a nice love hotel with a bunch of reais and no action in the sexual ground zero is the ultimate irony. I guess I'll actually go see the standard touristy stuff and than hope for better luck next week.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1147745]I often read complaints about how Rio is changing to the worse.

# Gringos: Because of Brazil has become more expensive there are much less gringos. That's a good thing for the gringos who still go there. Less competition for the girls and less gringos driving up the prices. [/QUOTE]I was recently in Rio and had a great trip as always, all different from previous trips, nothing went perfect, had many mishaps but overall I can't wait to get back, it's still a fabulous place.

I had lunch in Meia Pataca 2 times only because it was close to me. One time I looked around and noticed that the place was full of business people, families and young Brazilians having a meal, no putas or mongers except me.

My waiter was a veteran of the place so I asked him how he likes the current situation. He told me that since Help closed and the dollar is so weak there are no more Gringos / tourists in Rio. As a result of that there are no more girls. The reason why there are no girls here at Meia Pataca is because there are no mongers buying their product.

He told me he misses the old days when the place was packed with mongers and putas and 30 or 40 putas were circling meia pataca looking for business.

Same for the touts on Ho beach, most of them are gone but I told them why should I sit here and drink a beer at 7 reais when I can go next door for 3 reais. They told me special price for you 4 reais. I said plus you have that thief here Jose at CiCi barraca because of him I would never sit in this area.

As long as there will be girls in Rio I will find them, I never leave any stone unturned.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1147890]Seems they are putting their act together for the Olympics.

Rio will be upside with the Olympic rules and behaviour, trust me! [/QUOTE]I believe they will have their shit together by the Olympics. Mainly because they will pay Americans a shit load of money to get everything accomplished! LOL! My biggest concern is what will happen to Rio AFTER the games are over. I am willing to bet dollars to donuts that 2 years after the games that real estate prices will tumble, the favelas will be retaken by the drug gangs and the streets will be full of GDPS and Muggers again.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1148006]I believe they will have their shit together by the Olympics. Mainly because they will pay Americans a shit load of money to get everything accomplished! LOL! My biggest concern is what will happen to Rio AFTER the games are over. I am willing to bet dollars to donuts that 2 years after the games that real estate prices will tumble, the favelas will be retaken by the drug gangs and the streets will be full of GDPS and Muggers again.[/QUOTE]Nobody knows.

My guess: I think there will be some overgrown stadiums in Rio a couple of years after the Olympics (just like those after the PanAm). I think that the estate prices will fall or at least stop rising after 2016. I highly doubt that the favelas will be retaken. The gangs would be killed or chased of to another favela, in Zona Norte.

GP's? No worry, there will always be plentiful of p*ssy for sale at low prices. :D

P.S Bravo, your inbox (PM) is full.

Let me try a prediction: in 4 years the stadiums are overgrown, the real-estate market has collapsed and Rio is back to normal.

The favelas are NOT run anymore by gangs as people found out how good life is without this scum and are cooperating with the law. The law will get again more lenient towards the girls and the girls will return to some places in Copa. (not nessesary to Balcony). Corruption will go on on a small scale. As usual. Tourists will come back after the value of the Real has dropped considerably. Not the Olympic tourist but the "normal" monger. Mongering will all the time continue in Centro an VM. Or Cidade de Meninas.

Let us see if I was right in 4 years.

For the meantime I will continue to monger here in Europe, Portugal, Spain, Ukraine and Germany.

Carlos Primeros

[QUOTE=Gerald Hammer;1147986]Well, folks I finally made it to Rio, which is a good part. The bad part is that I have booked a nice suite in a sex hotel in Tijuca for 3 nights during some sort of no sex twilight zone. Scortshow / Karlamodels wouldn't take my calls over skype, while f*ing TIM wants CPF number, which I can't register be / see all TIM offices are closed. StarCris did send one chic from Copacabana but it cost almost same money in inflated taxi fees (feriada) as the deed! Centro looks totally abandoned during Thu / Fri so all the famed places (4x4) are close but closed (pun intended). Even Uomo is closed. I might as well go to church. Being stuck in a nice love hotel with a bunch of reais and no action in the sexual ground zero is the ultimate irony. I guess I'll actually go see the standard touristy stuff and than hope for better luck next week.[/QUOTE]Gerald. I posted that L'uomo would be closed which should have given you a big clue that this is not the best time to come to Rio to be with the girls. Next week will be better since the girls will need to make some money to pay for all the Easter stuff they bought.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1147745]# Buses: The faixa azul in Copacabana has improved the traffic a lot. Only buses and taxis with passengers might use the right lane. The bus stops are now divided into three categories, BRS1, BRS2 and BRS3. Each bus line belongs to one category and have it's fixed stops. No more waiving down the buses at any stop causing a confusion with other buses.[/QUOTE]Sperto, I love your reports man.

I can just say this though. I walk to work and walk home on Nossa Senhora, every day. Except the days I take a taxi back from my gym up by the Othon Palace. And honestly, even at 9pm at night or 9. 30pm at night, that damn faixa azul lane has massively slowed down traffic. Probably 5 more minutes onto a 10 min cab ride. It drives me nuts. Any time I take a cab now in Copa, that lane seems to cause problems. I'm not sure why we have such a different impression of it, but that's mine.

-Cartman

After having been away from Brasil for 2 years for various reasons while at the same time, exploring other parts of the world, I am feeling a lot of saudades and want to return to Brasil and more specifically to Rio very soon. Read the past few pages of the Rio thread to get a feel of how the scene is nowadays. Got to say, there's some good info, and I noticed that some things haven't changed in years of reading the Rio forum.

Sperto, as usual, thoroughly enjoy your very in depth posts about not only Rio, but also Manaus and other areas. Two thumps up man! Drinks on me should we ever meet in Rio or elsewhere in Brasil.

Bubba, what can be said about your endless generosity for creating and then updating each year your Bubba Guide? If we ever meet in Rio, drinks and a session at a terma of your choice (except Centaurus for the simple reason that they are rip off artists and not worth the extra $R) on me as a token of gratitude for your stupendous work and generosity.

Christopherd, I always enjoyed your literary prose on daily life in Rio and noticed you haven't been posting in Rio much. Are you going to be parading in next year's Carnaval?

Sangue Bon, while I have yet to go into a swing club, I enjoy your posts about them. Please keep'them coming!

Good, entertaining and educating posts.

BTW, any updates on the normal / non pro clubs / bars and lounges? I expect that in 2 years, things have changed in the club scene and new ones have opened while old ones been closed. Would appreciate any updates on that area as well.

Valeu gente.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1148058]Sperto, I love your reports man.

I can just say this though. I walk to work and walk home on Nossa Senhora, every day. Except the days I take a taxi back from my gym up by the Othon Palace. And honestly, even at 9pm at night or 9. 30pm at night, that damn faixa azul lane has massively slowed down traffic. Probably 5 more minutes onto a 10 min cab ride. It drives me nuts. Any time I take a cab now in Copa, that lane seems to cause problems. I'm not sure why we have such a different impression of it, but that's mine.

-Cartman[/QUOTE]I've found it a big improvement (quicker) , both when going by bus and taxi.

I've spoken with several taxi-drivers regarding the faixa azul. About half of them liked the faixa and the other half disliked it. It's good for them being able to use the bus-faixa when they have passengers. The problem is that they can't drive in the bus-faixa looking for passengers. They fine you if you abuse the rules.

Another note one the buses: There are 20% less buses passing Copa now after the changes. Less buses means less traffic. One problem with the new category system of buses (BRS1 etc...) is that there are longer between the bus stops.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon; 1148004]My waiter was a veteran of the place so I asked him how he likes the current situation. He told me that since Help closed and the dollar is so weak there are no more Gringos / tourists in Rio. As a result of that there are no more girls. The reason why there are no girls here at Meia Pataca is because there are no mongers buying their product.

He told me he misses the old days when the place was packed with mongers and putas and 30 or 40 putas were circling meia pataca looking for business.

Same for the touts on Ho beach, most of them are gone. [/QUOTE]It's propably 10 years since I last ate at Meia Pataca (they did have some really good filé medalhão). Mainly because it's overpriced. In the "old days" it was fun passing by MP. MP looked like a paddock filled of putas and gringos, and all kinds of hustler on the outside.

This year I only saw a couple of GP's at Meia Pataca. They looked very lost and sad. I heard (but I can't confirm it) that Meia Pataca only allows GP's to sit down if they order food. If so, that would scare them away.

The touts on ho-beach are having a hard time now, desperate for business. They deserve hard times as they are cheating scumbags. Yes, some of them are gone (like the old guy with the elephant-balls).

The taxi driver I was just with in Copa said he likes it. It is only Monday. Friday from 6:00 AM. 9:00 PM. He said traffic seems to flow smoother especially with fewer buses. I think it will be like most things, it will take some time to get used to. Recently I witnessed the deliver of a fleet of open tourist buses like they have in Barcelona. Some time ago I told the powers that be in Rio that they should visit Barcelona where they do tourism better than almost anywhere else in the world. Of course Barcelona has dedicated bus lanes, consistent routes and you cannot even stop a taxi on the street only get on and off at taxi stops. My bet is that will be next. Not always, but sometimes Brazilians actually listen. I have a little more confidence than most that they will be ready for both the World Cup and the Olympics. However, I do agree that it will be as a result of some outside assistance. There definitely is a need here for Americans with business acumen who speak Portuguese. They have more than enough corrupt bureaucrats living off the government teat, so none of those need apply.

I can relate my friend. Lucky for me I came down on Wednesday just before everything closed. I was informed Wednesday that things will be closed on Thursday (Brazilian Holiday) and Friday (Good Friday). With that being said, I fucked like there was no tomorrow all day Wednesday. Met a really cool girl at Balcony on Wednesday night that spoke good English. Since there were no other options, I stayed with her from Wednesday night until this morning (we had sex about 8 times). She showed me around Brazil (Christ Statue, Sugar Loaf, the beach, and the favela in which she lived). She cooked for me and the food was great. We also went to the swing club 2a2 on Thursday night, had lots of fun there, although I wished we would have went on another night since Thursday night is singles night. Many men there watching us do the deed while jerking off. I gave her R500 before she left today. Now that it's Saturday, I heard that Luomo will be opening today. I will be headed there soon!

[QUOTE=Gerald Hammer;1147986]Well, folks I finally made it to Rio, which is a good part. The bad part is that I have booked a nice suite in a sex hotel in Tijuca for 3 nights during some sort of no sex twilight zone. Scortshow / Karlamodels wouldn't take my calls over skype, while f*ing TIM wants CPF number, which I can't register be / see all TIM offices are closed. StarCris did send one chic from Copacabana but it cost almost same money in inflated taxi fees (feriada) as the deed! Centro looks totally abandoned during Thu / Fri so all the famed places (4x4) are close but closed (pun intended). Even Uomo is closed. I might as well go to church. Being stuck in a nice love hotel with a bunch of reais and no action in the sexual ground zero is the ultimate irony. I guess I'll actually go see the standard touristy stuff and than hope for better luck next week.[/QUOTE]

Greetings Gentlemen!

I am planning my first trip to Brasil and need your advice.

What I want is to find a place with surfing activities in Brasil. I mean surfing spots with surfing schools for the beginners. I have googled two places of this kind in Brasil: one is called Santa-Katarina or something, and another one is located very close to Rio. Could you provide me with some information about destinations of this kind: which place to choose, what about nightlife there, what about hotel prices, and of course what about garotas there?

Apart from surfing of course I want to visit Rio. A small problem is that I will probably land in Sao-Paolo and then go to Rio by bus.

Any suggestions would be highly appreciated!

[QUOTE=EmilioTheGreat;1148260]I can relate my friend. Lucky for me I came down on Wednesday just before everything closed. I was informed Wednesday that things will be closed on Thursday (Brazilian Holiday) and Friday (Good Friday). With that being said, I fucked like there was no tomorrow all day Wednesday. Met a really cool girl at Balcony on Wednesday night that spoke good English. Since there were no other options, I stayed with her from Wednesday night until this morning (we had sex about 8 times). She showed me around Brazil (Christ Statue, Sugar Loaf, the beach, and the favela in which she lived). She cooked for me and the food was great. We also went to the swing club 2a2 on Thursday night, had lots of fun there, although I wished we would have went on another night since Thursday night is singles night. Many men there watching us do the deed while jerking off. I gave her R500 before she left today. Now that it's Saturday, I heard that Luomo will be opening today. I will be headed there soon![/QUOTE]Sounds like you had a great time. Can you provide some color of what the Balcony scene was like when you met her? And how your negotiations on price etc. Went? Did you negotiate price up front? What time of night did you pull her from Balcony etc.

Most of the time I was there Nov-Feb the girls wouldn't budge for less than R$300 / hr unless you pulled really late like after 3am.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1148010]GP's? No worry, there will always be plentiful of p*ssy for sale at low prices. .[/QUOTE]I get that feeling too, that P4P in Rio would continue at the today's level no matter what happens to the economy, reduction of income disparity, etc. Any care to comment as to [i]why[/i]?

I think it's because of the anonymity that's provided to the girls, legal P4P, and their poor money management skills. Every town in the world has a least one recognized village slutt, so it makes sense that the Brasilian variety of these in RJ and MG states would take the legal opportunity to make a small fortune in Rio doing what she does for free at home. Then the challenge is to save something from all that P4P.

It's easy to find a venue in Copa. But I wonder how the girls in Centro end up getting their jobs, unless maybe there are recruiters. Say a girl wants to sell hers, and find the place with the best environment and earning potential. But all the brothels are hidden. Perhaps she takes Sperto's list and walks around interviewing all day, like Sperto in reverse.. :) I know in Tokyo they recruit outside train stations near RLD's, and in Indonesia they send scouts to villages, but Rio casa recruiting is a mystery to me. Perhaps I've already had too much Rio, if I am engrossed to the point of thinking of the internal working of the industry..haha.

[QUOTE=Dymytry;1148555]What I want is to find a place with surfing activities in Brasil. I mean surfing spots with surfing schools for the beginners. I have googled two places of this kind in Brasil: one is called Santa-Katarina or something, and another one is located very close to Rio.[/QUOTE]If surfing is your thing you should go to Saquarema. Saquarema-or-something is close to Rio.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1148679]I get that feeling too, that P4P in Rio would continue at the today's level no matter what happens to the economy, reduction of income disparity, etc. Any care to comment as to [i]why[/i]?

I think it's because of the anonymity that's provided to the girls, legal P4P, and their poor money management skills. Every town in the world has a least one recognized village slutt, so it makes sense that the Brasilian variety of these in RJ and MG states would take the legal opportunity to make a small fortune in Rio doing what she does for free at home. Then the challenge is to save something from all that P4P.

I wonder how the girls in Centro end up getting their jobs though, unless there are recruiters. Say a girl wants to sell hers, and find the place with the best environment and earning potential. But all the brothels are hidden. Perhaps she takes Sperto's list and walks around interviewing all day, like Sperto in reverse. . [/QUOTE]There will always be plenty of GP's in Rio and all over Brazil, because f*cking is the brazilian national sport (football comes on second place). Brazilians loves to f*ck around, cheat on their partners and visit GP's. There will always be establishment gathering to poor guys, rich guys and average guys. No way anybody can take that away from Brazil. I've never seen a city or village in Brazil where there were no GP's.

I don't know how the girls find the brothels? Propably some friend telling her about a place, or maybe she looks in the classificados? I've seen girls coming for work-interviews in the centro casas in Rio. Quite funny.

Yes, there are recruiters. Once, in a small town in Minas Gerais, I was having a couple of beers on the main square. I ended up making friendship with a middleaged woman on her yearly visit in the town. She, and her bicha-bodyguard, was looking for new girls to work in her brothel in Espirito Santo. While we were drinking beers girls turned up all the time at the table getting interviewed and inspected by the "mama-san". She made notes etc on the girls and took phone numbers to the best-looking girls. I tried to help and did my best giving my opinions. It was very entertaining. :D

Later on that evening she was going for a ride in the town to check out more girls at their homes. I was asked to come along and help with the inspections. Unfortunately I had to decline as I had a GF in the town (lots of gossip in small towns). However, I got invited to visit her brothel in Espirito Santo. She promised that everything would be for free. I never went, but I still have her business card somewhere.

The Balcony scene was very vibrant on Wednesday night. There were a lot of girls (some young, some old). It was my first time there, but I assume that the place was really busy because of the upcoming holiday. It was about 10pm, and I really just went to grab a quick bite to eat since it was right around the corner from the apartment that I was renting. I had planned on going to Luomo after eating and coming back to see if I could negotiate a good price later in the night.

After dinner, a nice woman approached me that spoke good English. I was not interested in her and luckily she was not approaching me for her interest, but instead for her friend. She informed me that her friend wanted to talk with me but was quite shy. I told her no problem because I was quite shy as well. I spent about 15 minutes talking to her before even talking to her friend. She had a great personality. She then introduced me to her friend, who was indeed quite shy. I told her that I just wanted to hang out a while and have a few drinks before heading to my room. I had a couple of drinks and scoped out the scene to see if there was better eye candy. To my dismay, there was not. So I went back to the girl and told her that I was tired after a long flight and that I would give her a call tomorrow. She insisted that she come back with me even if it was only for a nice massage and a quickie. I told her that a massage would be nice. I asked her her price for 1 hour, maybe 2 hours max. She agreed to R150. It sounded like a good deal to me so I confirmed, and we were off to the room. After she and I took a quick shower, a 30 minute massage and 30 minutes doing the deed followed.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1148584]Sounds like you had a great time. Can you provide some color of what the Balcony scene was like when you met her? And how your negotiations on price etc. Went? Did you negotiate price up front? What time of night did you pull her from Balcony etc.

Most of the time I was there Nov-Feb the girls wouldn't budge for less than R$300 / hr unless you pulled really late like after 3am. [/QUOTE]

Arrived in Rio on Wednesday morning around 8:30. This was my first trip to Rio, and despite the persuasion by many to stay for a long time, I only booked for 4 days. Since my stay was short, I only packed a carry on, so I breezed through customs and went to the arrival area where my driver was waiting on me. I do not speak any Porto (other than a few words / phrases learned from Bubba's guide) so I scheduled airport pickup service through my apartment rental company for $R100, from the airport to Copacabana beach. Next trip, I think I will take a cab from the airport for half the price. After arriving to the apartment, I was greeted by the agent and was given a guided tour of the area, which lasted about 30 minutes). During the tour, the agent took me to a Cambio place that gave a better rate than any of the other places in Copa $1 = $R1. 65. Other places were giving $R1. 55 and $R1. 60. After going back to the room, I took a quick shower, changed clothes and headed out for mongering activities.

Left my apartment around 12:30pm. My apartment was a short walk to the Cardeal Arcoverde train station. From this station, I took the train and transferred to Line 2 at the Catete Station. Took Line 2 to the Maracana stop. Was given dead on directions to Massagem Tijuca (Thanks to Quackup). I arrived at Massagem Tijuca a little after 1pm. I went to the receptionist desk and she told me to wait for about 5 minutes. The girls then all came out 1 by 1, and gave me a kiss on both cheeks. I realized that this one done so that I can pick the one of my choice. I decided on a beautiful morena (forgive me, I'm not good with names). The session was $R60 for 40 minutes. I read elsewhere that a 40 minute session was $R50, but I did not mind paying the extra $R10 because the receptionist had to translate my limited Spanish since I spoke no Porto. 40 minute session was decent. BBBJ was great, but the sex was just decent at best. Different positions: missionary, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, and doggy. The girl's body was amazing, but it was definitely not a GFE. Showered up then headed back to the Metro.

[QUOTE=EmilioTheGreat;1148830]The session was $R60 for 40 minutes. I read elsewhere that a 40 minute session was $R50, but I did not mind paying the extra $R10 because the receptionist had to translate my limited Spanish since I spoke no Porto.[/QUOTE]You paid the correct price, R$60/40 min. R$50 is for 30 min.

After my first experience at Massagem Tijuca, I was ready to head to a Terma. I took the Line 2 Metro from the Maracana station to the Uruguaiana stop. It was not quite 3pm so I had a few minutes to kill before heading to 4x4, so I grabbed so food for one of the vendors in the street. Grilled steak skewer, which was quite good. I then headed to 4x4, arrived shortly after 3pm. I grabbed my key, went into the locker room, changed into my robe, and headed to the Boite. Sat in the boite for about 45mins having a couple of drinks and talking to other mongers. I remembered that my entry fee would be waived for taking a girl before 5pm. So after a couple of drinks, I decided on Grazy, a beautiful girl with a nice bunda. I did the screening process as suggested by Bubba. I sat and talked with her for about 15 minutes, I asked if did BBBJ, she said yes. I asked if she did anal, she said yes. I asked if she like BBBJ and anal, and she said yes. So after kissing and fondling, the screening process was complete. We headed up stairs to a cabine. I selected the 40 minute option. To my surprise, the room had a shower. I showered up while she went to change into lingerie. She came back wearing a very sexy piece of lingerie. After showering, she gave me one of the best BBBJ that I have had in some time. I instruct her to keep going but turn to the side so that I can play with (grab her ass, play with her pussy). She agrees, as I am playing with her, she gets extremely wet. She then places the condom on me and immediately starts cowgirl. I enjoyed her aggressiveness. I then flip her over for missionary while cupping her ass with my hands. Next positon, was doggy, which I enjoyed watching that big bunda bouncing and shaking. She then lubed up for anal. It started out slow, but became quite aggressive until both of us finished simultaneously (unless she was faking, if so, she's a great actress). This was a lot better than my first session at Massagem Tijuca. On a side note: prior to hopping into the shower, I squirted the liquid soap into my hand. The soap had a white milky appearance, so I figured that I would add a sense of humor. I looked at her and acted as if I was relieving myself just by looking at her and showed her the substance in my hand (liquid soap, that appeared to be something else). She thought this was very hilarious. I showered and then she showered. She asked me if I had plans for tomorrow, and I told her that I would be coming back to 4x4 to pay her a visit. She then informed me that 4x4 would be closed on Thursday (Brazilian) holiday. I told her that I will probably just spend the day in Copa. She told me that she would like to see me on Thursday and I told her maybe. She went outside the room, and came back with her number written on a piece of paper. I told her that I would give her a call. I headed back to the boite for more drinks and socializing.

After staying at 4x4 for another 30 minutes, I change back into my clothes, settled my bill, and headed to T502, which was a very short walk away. When I entered the place was quite dead. There were 2 rooms, one with no smoke and another with smoke. Since I don't smoke, I went into the no smoke room. There were about 5 girls in the room, but only 1 worth doing. She was immediately taken by another customer. After 2 beers, I decided that I will not be waiting on her to come back when there were a ton of hotties that I left at 4x4. After about 25 minutes in T502, I settled my bill and headed back to 4x4. The doorman welcomes me back, and I head back up the stairs. The women at the desk welcome me back and asked why I left, I made up a lie and told them that I went to get food. One of the women told me that since I was there and did a girl earlier that she would wave my entry again (music to my ears). I change clothes and go back to the Boite. I meet another monger from the US that was on his 10th trip to Brazil. Very great guy. We talk for about 20 minutes and he heads up for a session. I wait around for a while before selecting my next prey. 3 girl approached me and fondled with me, but I decline their offers. I see a nice girl, with a nice shape, and long extensions in her hair. She had been watching me since my first visit, but seemed to be very reserved. I remembered reading reports about the Termas girls being jealous, so I was skeptical about choosing another girl since I had already been with Grazy earlier. Lucky for me Grazy, was in the corner fondling with another client. If she would have shown signs of jealousy, I would have just reminded her of her fondling with other guys. So with no delay, I wave for the other girl to come to me. She was hot, but seemed to be a bit reserved. After a quick screening, we were making our way to a cabine. Chose a 40 minute session once again. Same routine, I shower while she changes in to lingerie. She comes back and showers and we start our session. This girl was amazing. Although quite shy in the boite, totally opposite in the bedroom. I thought Grazy gave a great BBBJ, but this girl was AMAZING! She slapped my private against her face and tongue, licked me all over, and waved her long hair extensions across my stomach in a sensual way while performing BBBJ. I almost relieved myself, but had to keep my composure. Then she blows my mind by, placing the condom on me with her mouth. All I could think was "WOW, is this the same reserved girl that I met back in the boite." We had a great session. Numerous positions were attempted and anal was last on the menu until I relieved myself. I asked her if she had plans for the next day, and she informed me that she was going to Buzios. We both take a shower, and I head back to the boite. Socialized for a while in the boite, then headed back to the metro.

[QUOTE=Dymytry; 1148555]Greetings Gentlemen!

I am planning my first trip to Brasil and need your advice.

What I want is to find a place with surfing activities in Brasil. I mean surfing spots with surfing schools for the beginners. I have googled two places of this kind in Brasil: one is called Santa-Katarina or something, and another one is located very close to Rio. Could you provide me with some information about destinations of this kind: which place to choose, what about nightlife there, what about hotel prices, and of course what about garotas there?

Apart from surfing of course I want to visit Rio. A small problem is that I will probably land in Sao-Paolo and then go to Rio by bus.

Any suggestions would be highly appreciated! [/QUOTE]Rio is a surfers paradise! If you want to travel and surf you can do, but imo the best surf is in Rio, on the beaches of Barra and Recreio. There are several, very good surf schools as well, if you are looking for one ask around the kiosks at Praia de Pepe (Posto 2) and in Recreio at Praia de Pontal (just after Posto 11). I understand there is a leg of the world surf championships in Recreio, later this year.

I have been surfing for years at on this beach.

Just behind Pontal is a nice liittle bordello where you can shower and have an hour to relax! (esteticmen. Com. Br). You have a nice selection of girls and it is open during the day.

Has anyone checked flights to Rio lately! It's 1200 to 1500 for August. I went last summer for 750. This is crazy.

[QUOTE=HelpRules;1149750]Has anyone checked flights to Rio lately! It's 1200 to 1500 for August. I went last summer for 750. This is crazy.[/QUOTE]Yeah I plan to go July and it's 1700!

[QUOTE=HelpRules;1149750]Has anyone checked flights to Rio lately! It's 1200 to 1500 for August. I went last summer for 750. This is crazy.[/QUOTE]Check everyday, prices will go down if there is no demand. I have been checking also and can't believe how high the prices are, Rio is popular now.

[url]http://www.clickandfly.com/[/url]

Actually they're looking quite good from the UK. Better and cheaper than they have been the last few years remarkably. Especially remarkable as the pound has sunk so much.
The fastest flight is still under12hrs non-stop from London. But there's remarkably little in it, and with more airlines doing a non-stop trip rather than abysmal changes in Paris or Portugal.

Glancing at June, BMI (British Midland International) have begun flights with TAM, starting at £676 return. Non-stop on the way out, and only a quick stop at Sao Paulo on the way back.

I had a look at the British Airways site as well. For long the most luxurious economy class way to travel from London to Rio non-stop. But now, although their prices seem to start at a fabulous £610 all inclusive return, it's a codeshare with Iberia and includes a stop at Madrid. Which adds about three hours and the extra hassle to the overall journey time. I think I saw some non-stop options that weren't codeshare for other dates - always worth scouting about.

As always, prices fluctuate wildly depending on time of year and day of the week, so scout around on a good flexible-dates comparison site (eg Kayak seems ok).

I did scout around. Click and fly is the highest I have ever seen.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon; 1149911]Check everyday, prices will go down if there is no demand. I have been checking also and can't believe how high the prices are, Rio is popular now.

[url]http://www.clickandfly.com/[/url][/QUOTE]1. Flights are 99% full of Brazilians.

2. GRU and GIG are the only 2 airports available for international travel. Most passengers 'going' to Rio are just on transit to other domestic destinations.

3. Airline mergers + codeshare in the US are killing the competition. For example, United, Continental, TAM and Air Canada all offer flights to Brazil.... on the same airplane.

First the bad news. Monte Carlo's in-house FX rate for USD today hit R$1. 50. Seriously.

Now the good news: several girls are back after 40+ day vacations (e. G, Jasmine) , which means enough of the Carnaval money has run out. Also several new faces tonight, place was hopping. 2-3 totally fuckable newbies.

Sure, R$380 / hr (1 hr. 1 chopp. 1 water) isn't everyone's cuppa, but it's not horrible. Thank you loyalty program!

[QUOTE=Tiradentes;1150064]2. GRU and GIG are the only 2 airports available for international travel.[/QUOTE]Brazil has more than 30 international airports.

This information is posted on the Rio forum because Tam and other aircarriers have cheap flights from Rio to Asuncion.

It's a great way to take a week detour and unleash your inner phuck-crazy-bonanza person, and go completely bananas until you are absolutley dry of milk.

A warning thou: Returning back to Rio / Buenos Aires might be a bit dissapointing, as the prices, as the good GFE on most occations, as *most* girls (70-80%) offers anal for no surcharge. Add the "No tipping expected" (Doorman tipping never heard of!) , and most casas open 24 hours (Sundays exception) , and at such a low cost that makes it hard to spend money.

The attached photo is an example:

This is a nice, juicy 300 gram steak, with mashed garlic potato, freshly squized orangejuice, garlic butter and a basket of different breads at a good restaurant. Price? Less than what you pay for a standard meal at Mc'Donald's in Brazil.. You go figure the rest.

Postnote / Just for the record:

I hold no business or other intrest what-so-ever in Asuncion or Paraguay. I do this because this forum is about sharing information, and that is what I do when I have something valuable to share.

My personal biggest reward is when someone gets there and confirm what have been written.

And write something like "Yes, it is true and Confirmed. We got ourself a new pussy Klondike!".

That puts a smile on my lips and thinking to myself. Yes, Always happy to help.

Best Regards, Ken Apples

[QUOTE=Ken_Apples;1150167]This information is posted on the Rio forum because Tam and other aircarriers have cheap flights from Rio to Asuncion.

It's a great way to take a week detour and unleash your inner phuck-crazy-bonanza person, and go completely bananas until you are absolutley dry of milk.

A warning thou: Returning back to Rio / Buenos Aires might be a bit dissapointing, as the prices, as the good GFE on most occations, as *most* girls (70-80%) offers anal for no surcharge. Add the "No tipping expected" (Doorman tipping never heard of!) , and most casas open 24 hours (Sundays exception) , and at such a low cost that makes it hard to spend money...[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the interesting information. it was a nice Asuncion-guide you've made in the Paraguay section.
Asuncion sounds like fun.

It seems like the girls cost 120-150'000 guarani/hour. That's more or less R$50-60. In Rio that money would give you 30-40 minutes in a decent privê. Meaning that Asuncion is slightly cheaper.

[QUOTE=Tiradentes; 1150064]1. Flights are 99% full of Brazilians.

2. GRU and GIG are the only 2 airports available for international travel. Most passengers 'going' to Rio are just on transit to other domestic destinations.

3. Airline mergers + codeshare in the US are killing the competition. For example, United, Continental, TAM and Air Canada all offer flights to Brazil. On the same airplane. [/QUOTE]4. The price of jet fuel is 47% higher than it was a year ago.

[QUOTE=Ken_Apples; 1150167]This information is posted on the Rio forum because Tam and other aircarriers have cheap flights from Rio to Asuncion.

It's a great way to take a week detour and unleash your inner phuck-crazy-bonanza person, and go completely bananas until you are absolutley dry of milk.

A warning thou: Returning back to Rio / Buenos Aires might be a bit dissapointing, as the prices, as the good GFE on most occations, as *most* girls (70-80%) offers anal for no surcharge. Add the "No tipping expected" (Doorman tipping never heard of!) , and most casas open 24 hours (Sundays exception) , and at such a low cost that makes it hard to spend money.

The attached photo is an example:

This is a nice, juicy 300 gram steak, with mashed garlic potato, freshly squized orangejuice, garlic butter and a basket of different breads at a good restaurant. Price? Less than what you pay for a standard meal at Mc'Donald's in Brazil. You go figure the rest.

Postnote / Just for the record:

I hold no business or other intrest what-so-ever in Asuncion or Paraguay. I do this because this forum is about sharing information, and that is what I do when I have something valuable to share.

My personal biggest reward is when someone gets there and confirm what have been written.

And write something like "Yes, it is true and Confirmed. We got ourself a new pussy Klondike!".

That puts a smile on my lips and thinking to myself. Yes, Always happy to help.

Best Regards, Ken Apples[/QUOTE]Paraguay: I have been there more times than I can remember, yes probably half the price of Rio for everything. Having said this most places are cheaper than Rio now. One thing against Paraguay is that it is very small, the country has like 6 million people, about half the size of Greater Rio de Janeiro. Hence, the variety is kind of limited. I personally could not stay anywhere in Paraguay for more than a few days, it is very bland IMHO. If you enjoy good luck to you, but I think most people would probably prefer a more lively destination. Thanks for the info though.

The sea was angry today my friends. Went to Centro on the advice of Sperto with the specific intention of doing Kelly from Hollywood. See her pics below.

The casa can best be described as a dump. I mean with the price of R$30 for 1 shot or R$40 for 1 shot including the ass you can imagine. R$50 for half an hour including the ass, or R$100 for the hour, although could not imagine how you could spend an hour in this place.

Ok, so I find the place no problem, on the 7th floor of a commercial type office near the Metro. The door is next to the elevator, there are always lines at the elevators, not very discrete. Having said this I don't care about discretion at this point in my life. Go into the place and see the lineup. Probably about 8 girls lined up, all 6's, maybe 1 x7. I tell them I am here to see Kelly and then wait, I ask how long she will be and get a weird look. This place is mainly a 1 shot and then you are out type of place, hence she will be out as soon as the guy blows his wad. Pretty seedy place, just sit on the sofas with the girls as the various guys come him and grab a 6 and take her to the cabine. After about 10 minutes I see a tall hot dark naked Morena lead a guy to the door. I know it is Kelly. I pounce on her Polar Bear style so no one grabs her. I learned this technique from Cartman, no one steals a GDP out from the clutches of Cartman.

Have the normal kiss on the cheek meet and greet, pay my R$50 for 30 minutes and then we are off to the cabine. Kelly is hot. She is maybe 6' tall. I am 6'2" and she was just a tad shorter. Very tall. She is a dark morena or maybe a light Mullata. Amazing slim athletic body. Very nice all the way up and down that long body. No bad marks or rice and beans tummy issues. Face is very nice as well. In a nice dress and make up she would be a high 8, in this place she is an 8. 50. For me only the hottest of hot chics get an 8 or above. She is one of the hottest chics at any place in Rio right now. At Centaurus / Monte Carlo / Luomo / 4x4 she would be a super star.

I was prepared for the cabine, I normally don't like these super cheap places as they are a tad too seedy for this cowboy. Having said that I know what to expect and come prepared. She tells me to settle in and she goes and freshens up. She changed the sheet in front of me which was nice. The sheet had seen better days, the only real way you know it is clean at these places is if you see it placed there in front of you. I come bearing my own condoms, lube and disposable wipe towels. I take off my clothes and place them on the cleanest hook I see on the cleanest part of the wall. Yes the place is not the best, not truly disgusting but needs some TLC. I leave my shoes and socks on. I am all V'd up as these places tend to be less erotic and hence I like to guarantee I can get all chubbed up without a problem. The appropriate dosage is 1/4 of a 50mg pill. Normally I use 1/8 for my first session of the day. A whole pill doesn't work for me as I find it very hard to shoot a load.

She returns and sees me standing there butt naked except of course for the Nikes. She doesn't even comment. She just grabs my dick and starts giving me a pretty damned good BBBJ. Lots of deep throat to the base and holding it there. I think she has done this before! Pretty impressive BBBJ, lasted a good 10 minutes a then she turns around and sits on the bed doggy style. I go at her D4 (De quatro = From behind in Porto). After about 5 minutes of this she just grabs my dick and shoves it in her ass. Went in pretty easy, I think she has already done this before as well! (probably like 3 times already TODAY, it was just midday when I saw her). After about 10 minutes I shoot my load, all the while never touching a wall or the bed. That is my preferred cheap casa session. After I blow my load I still have 10 minutes left, so she starts sucking my dick again. Pretty impressive, she must get banged hard all day but her service is still very impressive. I don't want to get chubbed up again so I just chat to her for 10 minutes. I ask her why she would work at such a dive, she basically told me she makes as much or more than at the more expensive casas and there are basically no rules, she turns up when she wants etc. There are no fines like they have at the bigger places for no shows etc. Having said this she would earn her money the hard way at a place like this.

These places tend to be a bit mechanical. Kelly will probably do 2 guys per hour over 8 hours, hence 16 guys in a day it would be hard not to be. She gave a damn good session, a touch mechanical but under the circumstances expected. I would maybe repeat if I was in centro and in need of dropping a load. For R$50 can't beat that! If I see her at a better place I would certainly do her again. The service at a better place tends to be more relaxed and way better.

[url]http://www.destack.com.br/hollywood.htm[/url] . Kelly.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1150311]The casa can best be described as a dump. I mean with the price of R$30 for 1 shot or R$40 for 1 shot including the ass you can imagine. R$50 for half an hour including the ass, or R$100 for the hour, although could not imagine how you could spend an hour in this place.[/QUOTE]I went to this place last June and was happy, I even posted some pix. I got a nice girl, and was a nice experience, anything but mechanical. I even repeated on that girl.

Now in February of this year, it was a different story. After being miffed by a refusal of BBBJ from the best looking girl at Centro de Lazer 13 (Praça Olavo Bilac, 13), I wandered back to this subject place Ouvidor 130 hoping for good things, and picked a seemingly decent looking girl (not on the site now) that seemed amiable and willing to do what I wanted. Big mistake, when she got naked I actually wanted to leave. . This seems to be the case with most of the girls on the site, Kelly being the exception. Yikes.

Sounds like you got a better one. Typically at that price level I'd do Lazer 13, Tijuca or try for a reduced price pre-opening session from one of the the residents at Club Florida. The club isn't officially open but you can walk in during the afternoon and see who's awake.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1150311]After about 10 minutes I see a tall hot dark naked Morena lead a guy to the door. I know it is Kelly. I pounce on her Polar Bear style so no one grabs her. I learned this technique from Cartman, no one steals a GDP out from the clutches of Cartman.
[/url] . Kelly.[/QUOTE]

Good strategy. I bet it is a bit awkward waiting around for 10 minutes in that small que area, but if you want to see what is the best in the casa I guess you have to wait and see what every one else is keeping busy in the back. Polar bear style, cowboy...funny. I think Christopherd mentioned checking the fuck list at VM casas and seeing which girl was the most popular. Then I did the same and checked a couple lists there, and the diary of a Tijuca Tigressa. Sometimes it's best to not know the history of the pussy you're about to have. Well, almost all of the time in our hobby! 16 isn't bad. I go to a place in Tokyo that's like a BJ factory and the girls blow about 50 sticks a day with CIM. Everytime I walk to the entrance I am thinking, 'walk away', but my piru loves the cat bath and feel of tonsils and he always wins. Same thing in the Centro dives. My normal brain says these girls see way too much traffic. My monger brain says, DFK! DATY!

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1150311]Kelly is hot. She is maybe 6' tall. I am 6'2" and she was just a tad shorter. Very tall. She is a dark morena or maybe a light Mullata. Amazing slim athletic body. Very nice all the way up and down that long body. No bad marks or rice and beans tummy issues. Face is very nice as well. In a nice dress and make up she would be a high 8, in this place she is an 8. 50. For me only the hottest of hot chics get an 8 or above. She is one of the hottest chics at any place in Rio right now. At Centaurus / Monte Carlo / Luomo / 4x4 she would be a super star...[/QUOTE]Bubba, I'm glad that you enjoyed Kelly. She's hot. One of the few GP's that I repeated. She really knows how to give a good service. I doubt she ever has a customer that's not satisfied.

Yes, the place is a dump. A real "fast food joint". A bit of a turn-off lining up in a queue on the sofas. Some cabins have high, hard and narrow massage tables. Not very comfy. At least one cabin has a real bed (wow).

I don't understand the pricing. They told me R$20. At this casa they never mentioned any time limit to me. Just go on until you pop, within reasonable limits.

P. S Puta Playa: Marcella the girl that says she's a cat and likes to eat cream doesn't work there anymore. I never got the chance to try her. :(

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1150485]Bubba, I'm glad that you enjoyed Kelly. She's hot. One of the few GP's that I repeated. She really knows how to give a good service. I doubt she ever has a customer that's not satisfied.

Yes, the place is a dump. A real "fast food joint". A bit of a turn-off lining up in a queue on the sofas. Some cabins have high, hard and narrow massage tables. Not very comfy. At least one cabin has a real bed (wow).

I don't understand the pricing. They told me R$20. At this casa they never mentioned any time limit to me. Just go on until you pop, within reasonable limits.

P. S Puta Playa: Marcella the girl that says she's a cat and likes to eat cream doesn't work there anymore. I never got the chance to try her. . [/QUOTE]Apparently the old price was a promotion. The deal is $30 per pop now. Anal is R$10 more. I actually had a good chat with them while I was waiting.

[QUOTE=Tiradentes; 1150064]1. Flights are 99% full of Brazilians.

2. GRU and GIG are the only 2 airports available for international travel. Most passengers 'going' to Rio are just on transit to other domestic destinations.

3. Airline mergers + codeshare in the US are killing the competition. For example, United, Continental, TAM and Air Canada all offer flights to Brazil. On the same airplane. [/QUOTE]I work in the airline industry and know for a fact that Brazilians in the US are flying home a lot! When I check the weekly loads sometimes I go straight to O Dia or Globo to see if something is going on in Brazil that is causing the mass movement. I think they are just taking advantage of the early low coach fares and buy them months in advance.

Now as for the mergers hurting competition, that's a regional issue, and I can only speak for United and Continental. United has absolutely NO PLANS to give up its Chicago or Washington Dulles routes to Brazil and Continental from Houston and Newark. Matter of fact we started using each others planes to better optimize the routes. Code sharing is an airline method to gain more routes and passengers in another country. United years ago applied for and got the LAX to GRU route which they used along with the MIA and JFK routes to get Varig to join the Star Alliance. Now those routes were given to TAM who is an alliance member also. When we are dealing with different countries and national carriers its easier to gain access by aligning together. UA or CO just cannot jump up tomorrow and fly to Brasilia or Bahia because they are US carriers. If the Brazilian Goverment approves the flights, then they will want the same number of US cities approved for TAM also. So with CO and UA keeping their routes, all other US carriers still will keep theirs also because they serve different communities and regions. US and Brazilian carriers will now have greater access and streamlined approval due to the Open Skies Agreement that Obama and Dilma just signed. So by World Cup and Olympics, US carriers will have more flights to different cities in Brazil, same thing for TAM in the US.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1148103]It's propably 10 years since I last ate at Meia Pataca (they did have some really good filé medalhão). Mainly because it's overpriced. In the "old days" it was fun passing by MP. MP looked like a paddock filled of putas and gringos, and all kinds of hustler on the outside.

This year I only saw a couple of GP's at Meia Pataca. They looked very lost and sad. I heard (but I can't confirm it) that Meia Pataca only allows GP's to sit down if they order food. If so, that would scare them away.

The touts on ho-beach are having a hard time now, desperate for business. They deserve hard times as they are cheating scumbags. Yes, some of them are gone (like the old guy with the elephant-balls). [/QUOTE]I was down in December and MP was dead, definitely not like the old days when you would have to stand outside and wait for a seat. I did notice that the GDP's inside seated were eating and those who were not eating stood outside. I miss Help and I know GDP's that miss it also, it was the GDP's after work party place. If a GDP had a bad night at her place of employment, she just headed to Help after 2a and made it up, all take home cash for herself. Now with the help of the Sperto and his excellent guide, I explore Centro more.

[QUOTE=Bootytapper;1151004]Now as for the mergers hurting competition, that's a regional issue, and I can only speak for United and Continental. United has absolutely NO PLANS to give up its Chicago or Washington Dulles routes to Brazil and Continental from Houston and Newark. .[/QUOTE]Continental still has a Newark flight to Brasil? I thought they canceled that 10PM flight like 2 years ago. I thought you had to fly to Houston first and then connect to Rio! I ABSOLUTELY HATE DOING THAT! It kills two extra vacation days for me because the flight to Houston is at 3in the afternoon and the return flight you arrive in NJ at around 11AM. I loved catching the 10Pm flight out of NJ going down and returning at 6AM coming back.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1151042]Continental still has a Newark flight to Brasil? I thought they canceled that 10PM flight like 2 years ago. I thought you had to fly to Houston first and then connect to Rio! I ABSOLUTELY HATE DOING THAT! It kills two extra vacation days for me because the flight to Houston is at 3in the afternoon and the return flight you arrive in NJ at around 11AM. I loved catching the 10Pm flight out of NJ going down and returning at 6AM coming back.[/QUOTE]

I believe the Newark flight goes to São Paulo; you then change planes to a plane from Houston which is on its way to Rio. The return flight is presumably the reverse of this itinerary.

[QUOTE=Gfe Finder;1151045]I believe the Newark flight goes to São Paulo; you then change planes to a plane from Houston which is on its way to Rio. The return flight is presumably the reverse of this itinerary.[/QUOTE]This is old and no more, Continental stiil goes to Sao Paulo but they no longer hook up with the Houston flight as the Houston flight now goes direct to Rio. In theory you could still fly ewr gru on continental and then pick up a Tam fright gru gig but I have never seen them present a good schedule or price for that.

Best flight now from Ny is American or Tam direct from JFK GIG.

Guys, could you give me some advice about the clubs I should definetely visit while looking for non-pro garotas in Rio?

I have heard there are some good places in Lapa region. Also I have heard about Nuth club, though it looks like a top-level place. Anything else? Whats your opinion on these?

And one more question: can you advice on some good hostel to live in?

Yes, I can use the google. I know there is a number of hostels in the web, but I travel alone and what I want is a place with good company, bar etc. Place easy for socializing with other travellers. Any special suggestions?

[QUOTE=Dymytry; 1151319]Guys, could you give me some advice about the clubs I should definetely visit while looking for non-pro garotas in Rio?

I have heard there are some good places in Lapa region. Also I have heard about Nuth club, though it looks like a top-level place. Anything else? Whats your opinion on these?

And one more question: can you advice on some good hostel to live in?

Yes, I can use the google. I know there is a number of hostels in the web, but I travel alone and what I want is a place with good company, bar etc. Place easy for socializing with other travellers. Any special suggestions? [/QUOTE]Are you looking specifically for garotas Brasileiras, or just to get laid non-pro regardless of nationality? Hostel is probably the easier place to get laid for free in Rio, at respectable quantities, unless you are Nordic-looking or speak good Porto. My line of thinking here gives me the idea that I should go stay there and get plenty of free gringa since I know the town already and speak enough Porto to get by in most situations.

Yeah, I know Brasileira vs Gringa that might sound like a stupid question to ask on this forum, but I assume that there are some people that stay in Rio and don't have a preference of Brasiliera vs gringa. Maybe it's better to take a gringa from Toronto or somewhere, who is on holiday and ready to do something out of the ordinary, vs a local piranha who runs the same game all the time. IMO, the legendary sexual reputation of Brasileiras was built back in the days when Brasil was impoverished and the girls were more even more anxious to please, for money, marriage, etc. Today, I believe they still want to please, but in a much more limited way as a matter of personal pride, in having sexed you well. In addition to the non-pros, you'll might want some pros to round out your experience. The pros are overrated in general, very inconsistent in services ranging from mechanical to what I call beyond-GFE, which is that state where we reach monger-nirvana. haha. I've posted reports on something like 40 GP's in Rio and have only been able to give the medal of honor to 2 girls, who went BB everything, passionate and demand my ultimate respect for being totally into it without inhibition, taking the deep shot BBFS while licking my tonsils. :) I never know what compels those kamikaze GP's to act the way they do. They make for great stories but IMO not worth the cost of filtering through tons of GP's at great expense to find them. So start non-pro at the hostel, Nuth, Carioca de Gema in Lapa, etc. and let us know how it goes. BTW, for best results, you should ask on the non-pro thread. This main thread is more toward the professional girls, cultural aspects, etc. And for the hostel, check the hotels thread, although the population here is more toward apartos and hotel renters you might find something.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1148695]There will always be plenty of GP's in Rio and all over Brazil, because f*cking is the brazilian national sport (football comes on second place). Brazilians loves to f*ck around, cheat on their partners and visit GP's. There will always be establishment gathering to poor guys, rich guys and average guys. No way anybody can take that away from Brazil. I've never seen a city or village in Brazil where there were no GP's.

Later on that evening she was going for a ride in the town to check out more girls at their homes. I was asked to come along and help with the inspections. Unfortunately I had to decline as I had a GF in the town (lots of gossip in small towns). However, I got invited to visit her brothel in Espirito Santo. She promised that everything would be for free. I never went, but I still have her business card somewhere. [/QUOTE]Thanks for your insight. This is very interesting and funny to me. My perception of Brasilian culture is that it's a dichotomy, for lack of a better word. When I tell people stories from Brasil, of the commonplace hustling by men and prostitution by women compared with a more secular place like EUA, they are in disbelief because the media portrays Brasil as this quasi-religious homogenous state where almost everyone is a devout Catholic. My response: sure, on Sunday they are, and that's why I can't get any P4P in Centro on that day. Damn them all to [i][b][red]hell[/i][/b][/red]. ha, ha! :) I am coming from the perspective of EUA, where most sex workers / strippers families have a really good idea of what they do and they don't try hard to pretend otherwise. People kind of wear things on their shirt sleeves. For example, it's not uncommon for coworkers to discuss or even brag on adventures in places like Rio, Pattaya, Angeles City. Brasileiro colleagues on the other hand, play it really straight until you ask them to go to a P4P place. Then they act like they don't know where and play stupid. Eventually they take you to a termas and at that time one can realize, what you are saying is true. Almost all of them are hardcore mongers despite the facade. If the men hide it, I can only imagine what extent the women go to to hide it from their families. I enjoyed hearing the story of the girl I was screwing at T502 in Rio a couple months ago. She tells her husband that she rides into Rio to be a telefonista, so he doesn't know she works at 502. In EUA, hubby would know if she is doing this, either because of the strangeness of the situation or because of what putas catch at work and bring home. He would then either encourage or dump her. So it's fascinating to me that people insist on living dual lives in Brasil, despite the stress this must bring. Can anyone comment on the status of swinging in Rio, and whether it is also totally taboo like P4P? People talk a lot about A2A, as if it's the only decent place in town. I routinely see reports of ISG'ers paying GPs for TLN on the condition of the GP taking them to A2A as if this were the epitome of clubs. The result seems to be that they fuck the GP but get no other action. This would seem strange, given the size of Metro Rio there should be at least one club with perv girls or MILFS that take all cummers. My reference point for a Rio-like EUA city is Chicago, with a ton of swing clubs, adult bookstores with GH and gangbang action, Craigslist action, etc. Some girls in the non-pro pervert scene there are borderline-depraved like rabid wild animals with overactive hormonal glands. If I could find those in Rio, the money I could save, the reports I would have!!!!!

The following is a copy / edit / paste from an email I sent to a buddy. What started my BB report were emails like the following. I used to send out a nights happenings to buddies that had been to Rio. Trying to encourage them done for a visit. Anyway, I have edited out names etc.

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Email to a buddy;.

Some days I think why the fuck am I in Rio. The place is dirty, dangerous and nothing works well. However you get the odd day when everything just comes together and makes it all worthwhile. Like today! The day went like this.

Afternoon, banged Kelly at Hollywood, already covered this in detail in another post. R$50. 00.

Early evening, Cartman and myself go to 502. The place is quiet as it is early and winter is coming, the girls are just filing in. My regular wanders in around 8pm and comes on over. She is chatty and is chatting more with Cartman than myself. I am not there to chat so much so this helps me out. Cartman is informed that his target for the evening is a no show and he decides to go to T65. I hang with my regular for a few minutes then drag her upstairs for a decent session. I have done this girl 20+ times, , she comes over occasionally for freebies. When I am done she tells me I can't go to T65 to join Cartman. I say of course not, I am going home. When done I head on over to T65 to join Cartman.

I robe up and Cartman is just about done with a regular of his when I arrive. We settle in the comfy chairs for a drink. This place is so much more comfortable than 502. The girls are the same though. There are virtually no guys left at 10pm. There are some girls looking bored but there is 1 particular black slim body builder type that I am scoping for a next visit. An ass you could bounce a quarter off and it would come right back at you! We hang and one of Cartman's regs comes on over, really drunk. Another of his regs wanders in and sits next to him. We all chat a bit, The cartman, looking very much like a Polar Bear in his robe, he is getting most of the girly attention. I don't session here much, hence the girls know where to lay the attention. The 2 girls decide to kiss. Not just a peck but 3 or 4 very long make out sessions with tongue, smiling and general fooling around etc. I am not normally in to lesbian action but damn if it wasn't sexy, I was a bit chubbed up. Actually more than a bit. It was damn sexy! The girls know we are not going to session with them, they just want to hang until they can go home.

After an hour or so of just hanging with various girls we head on home. When you live in Rio you kind of take the action for granted. If I was back in my home city I wouldn't get to have many nights like this, if any. My buddies would literally kill to have a night like this once in their lives. This is the night where you have to reflect and think how lucky you are to get to see this and how lucky you are to be in Rio. Total cost for me was about R$400, about what it would cost to take a girl out for dinner in Europe.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1151423]...the media portrays Brasil as this quasi-religious homogenous state where almost everyone is a devout Catholic.[/QUOTE]What media are you referring to, may I ask? All the media reports I have seen on Brazil for the past several decades have focused on two things: sex and crime. The one exception would be financial publications, where the focus of late has been on the thriving economy.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1151423]Can anyone comment on the status of swinging in Rio, People talk a lot about A2A, as if it's the only decent place in town. I routinely see reports of ISG'ers paying GPs for TLN on the condition of the GP taking them to A2A as if this were the epitome of clubs. The result seems to be that they fuck the GP but get no other action.!![/QUOTE]I have been to 2A2 several times with both GDP's and non GDP's and the swing club in Barra Henry Club. I have always engaged with other couples in these clubs even though not every couple has wanted to engage with me.

Last month when I was in Henry club one night there were 4 of us on a bed, I was with this guys girl and he was with mine. A young couple pulls up next to me and he starts banging her doggie style, she was young and blonde. I do a reach over to grab some tit and he slaps my hand away, this is common. My girl who is being pumped by some guy now sees this and yells at the guy hey this is a swing club and we are all in this room right now screwing each other, the other Brasilians jump in and tell them to go find a room by themselves if we can't touch her, I told them to stay at home. They left, you see these types often, maybe they come in just to be with each other but are turned on by being seen and seeing others screw.

The other couple I met there, she was 29 he was 49, she was super hot, we exchanged numbers to go on a double date, maybe Ill call next trip.

Later that night after 4 am, I met a couple from Argentina, my girl said that she won't screw them because Argentina and Brasil are rivals in soccer, Brasil doesn't like Argentinians. I looked at her strange, she said to me like you Americans don't like the French, I said maybe we don't always agree with the French but last year in 2a2 I met a French couple on vacation and could care less what their politicis are and I screwed her no problem, like or dislike, she found that strange.

Then it was getting late and my girl said she wanted me to cum in her mouth so she sat in front of me as I stood in front of her and gave me a BBBJ but it was late and the inspiration wasn't happenning to easy. Then a couple sat next to us and was doing the same thing, I reached over and slid my hand down her dress and rolled her nipple between my fingers, my girl is still working on me and at this moment I got the inspiration and let it go to finish the night. Made it home by 5AM.

ok, i don't want to oversell it with a title like "l'uomo. more like lame-o?" but let's just say my last visit to l'uomo was a very expensive shower (r$70) before i fled to mc.

that was probably 1 month ago. and since then i've seen a lot of change in the "team" at other t's, both zona sul (mcs) and centro (502, 65). so i figured maybe i was due for a re-visit to l. if nothing, the cartman is an optimist. plus it was 8. 15pm and after working from 8. 30am-8pm i was not looking forward to a ride to centro, and mc seemed so, well, predictable.

it's kind of like when you really used to like a band, but lately, say the last 10 years, they keep putting out albums that just aren't that good. and you keep buying them because you remember how good they used to be, and you hope that maybe, just maybe, they'll nail it again. i'm looking at you, rush and the blow monkeys (and def leppard, honestly). that's how i feel lately about l'uomo. i met two awesome chicks there in oct / nov but since then it's been a bit dry.

anyway, rock up around 8. 30, shower, head to bar. really dead. like 4 guys and maybe 25 girls. girls are all sitting on the couches, half sleeping. no energy. see a w-h-o-are-e i know from there, smile, say hi, decide to be nice and buy her a drink. what do you want? she says "i don't know." i say, well, i'm having a water. so she orders an amaretto for r$18. dang. teach me to be nice. moving on. not much to look at, but i decide to wait it out and let the 1. 5 pills of v kick in. about 15 mins later a taller, white, short-haired blond girl comes in and looks me over a few times. then a shorter brunette, fit body also comes in and sits down. blondey "lana" comes over for a chat. we do the usual and she claims to be surprised by my portuguese skills. have a pleasant enough chat for a while. but i excuse myself to go talk to brunette. walk over a plop on the couch next to her. say "ola!" which gets a laugh from her friends. not sure why. try to make convo with her but she's just not interested, giving me nothing back. i'm like, ok, the cartman doesn't stay where he's not wanted.

back to the bar, where lana moves in again. i explain to her that last time i was there, it wasn't very good. she asks me what i like in the room. i explain that she definitely doesn't want to go with me. i was only half-kidding as she's really not my type. white, big mouth, not super-slim body. and i think she's like 30-35 though she convincingly tells me 25. she asks why she wouldn't want to go with me. i lay it all out there: i like coming in a girl's mouth, i like the "bunda" and "cuzinho," i like to kiss, and i can't stand girls who tip-swab. i explain that many girls say they can suck deep, but really can't. and that i"m not big (i've seen the movies!). perhaps driven by economic necessity, she seems amused at all of this and says, effectively,"well, what's the problem? i do all that." we talk about it a bit and i decide to take her for a test ride. if the cartman is picky, he is also lazy. all v'd up and i didn't want to get dressed, haul my ass over to mc, and get settled-in there.

spring for the hour and she sticks me in the big suite with the circular bed right when you go through the doors to the rooms. never been in there before. pretty nice. she says it's r$40 more than a regular suite. my all in costs were:

entrada: r$70.

amaretto: r$17 (inc bar comission)

agua com gas: r$5 (really?)

resort-lana: r$360.

total: r$452.

i think she kept r$260 of the resort fee.

anyway, she's pleasant and aiming to please in the room. deduction of points for porn-star style kissing. keep your damn tongue in your mouth, girl! bonus points for: a) anal sans lube. missionary style. with her legs up on my shoulders, fun times (though honestly some lube would have been nice) followed by standing anal; (be) taking 2. count 'them. shots in the mouth with a little sucky-sucky after; and (see) having a sense of humor. she kept telling me all the standard bs about how i'm carinhoso and my piru is muito gustozo. i told her i'm not good with complimentes (elogios). so she laughs and starts saying "voce e muito feo e velho!". i'm like that's awesome!

overall it was ok, pleasant, but not at all passionate and mind-blowing. last friday i nailed nicole. big blonde bodybuilder chick at t65. and it was 3x better. she is a deep throat queen, loves it in the pooper, came like like 5x riding me. truly awesome. after porcao you can't go to bob's the next day, know what i mean?

bottom line: better selection and treatment these days in other casas. l'uomo needs to do a clean-out and replace the girls with more upbeat, hotter, better chicks. the girls are all very average, white / mulatta. no interesting looks, no interesting vibes.

but just like i'll keep buying rush albums, i'll probably keep popping in now and again in the hopes it will improve. i'd even settle for the garota equivalent of "test for echo.".

oh yeah: the total cost was about what i paid for the chick from mylove in my last sp report. honestly, the mylove chick was better sex. but the whole hassle of getting to mylove and back to the hotel gives the nice-experience nod to l'uomo. fuck, it's right next to the damn metro. that's super easy even if you don't work 3 blocks away.

-cartman

The drink was possibly "Amarula"?

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1151992]The drink was possibly "Amarula"?[/QUOTE]Or it was Amaretto like I said?

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amaretto[/url]

To be fair, it's written right on my receipt as "Amaretto Dessarono." But I knew it was Amaretto before checking just now. 'Cause that's how the Cartman rolls!

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1151993]Or it was Amaretto like I said?

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amaretto[/url]

To be fair, it's written right on my receipt as "Amaretto Dessarono." But I knew it was Amaretto before checking just now. 'Cause that's how the Cartman rolls! [/QUOTE]I stand corrected!

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman;1151989]Ok, I don't want to oversell it with a title like "L'Uomo. More like Lame-o?" .... Bottom line: better selection and treatment these days in other casas. L'Uomo needs to do a clean-out and replace the girls with more upbeat, hotter, better chicks. The girls are all very average, white / mulatta. No interesting looks, no interesting vibes. -Cartman[/QUOTE]Cartman, thanks for the up date. I agree with Luomo going downhill. The last time I went was a couple of times last November but found nothing to my taste back then so I gave up. The last couple of times I have been I have ended up enjoying the fejoiada buffet without the "appetiser" on a Saturday or, like you, having an expensive agua sim gas without choosing from the garota buffet during the week. At least I got to practice my Porto.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon; 1151655]I have been to 2A2 several times with both GDP's and non GDP's and the swing club in Barra Henry Club. I have always engaged with other couples in these clubs even though not every couple has wanted to engage with me.

I do a reach over to grab some tit and he slaps my hand away, this is common. My girl who is being pumped by some guy now sees this and yells at the guy hey this is a swing club and we are all in this room right now screwing each other, the other Brasilians jump in and tell them to go find a room by themselves if we can't touch her, I told them to stay at home. They left, you see these types often, maybe they come in just to be with each other but are turned on by being seen and seeing others screw.

Later that night after 4 am, I met a couple from Argentina, my girl said that she won't screw them because Argentina and Brasil are rivals in soccer, Brasil doesn't like Argentinians. I looked at her strange, she said to me like you Americans don't like the French, I said maybe we don't always agree with the French but last year in 2a2 I met a French couple on vacation and could care less what their politicis are and I screwed her no problem, like or dislike, she found that strange. [/QUOTE]Thanks for your report on the swing clubs. Those people who just want to be seen and not touched, maybe it's best if people are nice to them so that they come back. I think a lot of wives and some gf's would start that way and if people are nice to them, they would eventually become full participants. But if people are not nice to them, the lady is not going to want to come back. I have been in places where guys brought their wives in for the first time, and just acted shy like that. A month later you see the same couple in there, and she is being tag-teamed. It seems to be an acquired taste.

I wish the world would stop thinking that 'Americans' (like we are some homogenous tribe) don't like French. Thousands of Americans go to France for tourism every year. Thousands of Americans gave their lives in France, twice over. If a draft was started for driving some invader out of France today, it would be the same thing. I hope to visit France someday and find a girl willing to work on diplomatic relations with me, the best way I know how. I wonder WTF American means anyway, no 2 people here think or look very much alike. :) Which Americans do the people think of? The snake handlers, the furries, neo-nazis, greens, swingers, nudes, prudes, left, right, Muslim, Hindu, Baptists, satanists or what..haha. I guess most GDPs think America is like the Borg..haha? Barack Obama hasn't beamed an anti-France message to my head for about 3 days now, so..

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1151993]Or it was Amaretto like I said?

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amaretto[/url]

To be fair, it's written right on my receipt as "Amaretto Dessarono." But I knew it was Amaretto before checking just now. 'Cause that's how the Cartman rolls! [/QUOTE]Amaretto is a liquor as clearly stated in wikipedia.

Amaretto Disaronno is a brand of Aamretto, said to be the original.

Just like cachassa is the main ingredient of caipirinha, and 51 is a famous brand of cachassa.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1152532]Amaretto is a liquor as clearly stated in wikipedia.
Amaretto Disaronno is a brand of Aamretto, said to be the original.
Just like cachassa is the main ingredient of caipirinha, and 51 is a famous brand of cachassa. [/QUOTE]May must be slow in Rio. Just the usual L'Uomo reports.
Just as a parenthesis about Cachaça.

51 is a very wellknown cachaça. 51 and Pitú, and some other brands, are the cheapest cachaças in Brazil. They taste worse than horse-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url].

Comparing cachaça is like comparing whisky. 51 and Pitú are the witch brew's. Ypióca's are quite good and drinkable, like Jack Daniels. You have several options of Ypióca, in the range cheap to very costly.

Then you have a lot of really good, and expensive, cachaças that would be equivalent of good single malts like Laphroaig, Ardbeg, Oban (14 yo) , Talisker (10 yo) , MacAllan (12 yo) etc. Cachaça from Minas Gerais are my favourites.

I like cachaça, but I prefer a good vodka. Don't get me starting comparing vodka's. Kovak and Orloff taste worse than rotten milk.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1152522]I guess most GDPs think America is like the Borg..haha?[/QUOTE]Brazilians, without education, often consider the world's population like: brazilians, latinos and the rest are just gringos. The gringos are almost all the same to them. Americans, Italians, French are all the same. Their geography knowledge is just as bad as the Americans. ;)

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon;1151655]Later that night after 4 am, I met a couple from Argentina, my girl said that she won't screw them because Argentina and Brasil are rivals in soccer, Brasil doesn't like Argentinians. I looked at her strange, she said to me like you Americans don't like the French, I said maybe we don't always agree with the French but last year in 2a2 I met a French couple on vacation and could care less what their politicis are and I screwed her no problem, like or dislike, she found that strange.[/QUOTE]This is puzzeling? Who gives a shit about soccer? Puts me to sleep but the point is she wouldn't fuck that coulple becuase of soccer? Stockings, heels, a set of hooters and a pretty face and I don't give a fuck if it is one of Osama Bin Ladin's 14 ex wives. I'm fucking! As much as I don't care for Parisians I do like to fuck them. BTW, Caan is worth the trip over the pond and the US Cemetary is inspirational and well cared for by the French. Towns like Ste Mere Eglise stand as a shrine to their American liberators.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1152573]Brazilians, without education, often consider the world's population like: brazilians, latinos and the rest are just gringos. The gringos are almost all the same to them. Americans, Italians, French are all the same. Their geography knowledge is just as bad as the Americans. ;)[/QUOTE]I agree that some Americans have a poor knowledge of Geography compared to Europeans, but only some. Having said this all less educated Brazilians that I know have zero knowledge of Geography. Most of the girls that I know are from Zona Norte and further up into the baixada, very poor areas. Not one of them knows anything about the rest of the world unless they have worked in Europe. Most think Miami is a country near the USA. It is that bad.

Terma 502 has just put up their prices.

60 minutes is now R$ 190, used to be R$ 150.

40 minutes is now R$ 150, used to be R$ 120.

Entrance I believe is the same at R$ 20, which includes 3 local beers.

I believe that 502 is the best value place in Centro. The hour used to be R$180 all up with 3 drinks included, now it is R$210. This compares to 4x4 at R$270 for the hour but without drinks. The women are the same quality although this varies with the season.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1152672]I agree that some Americans have a poor knowledge of Geography compared to Europeans, but only some. Having said this all less educated Brazilians that I know have zero knowledge of Geography. Most of the girls that I know are from Zona Norte and further up into the baixada, very poor areas. Not one of them knows anything about the rest of the world unless they have worked in Europe. Most think Miami is a country near the USA. It is that bad.[/QUOTE]I was flirting with a girl selling fruits on the street in Terésina. She asked where I came from. I told her and also explained that it's in Europe. She was quiet for a while and then asked how many hours it takes going by bus to Brazil.

Another girl also asked where I came from. I told her, and she thought my country was a state in the southern part of Brazil.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1152672]Not one of them knows anything about the rest of the world unless they have worked in Europe. Most think Miami is a country near the USA. It is that bad.[/QUOTE]Most of the waiters in Rio are from the Ceara state, far north. One time, one of them asked me how many hours of bus to get to France from Rio.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1152522]I wish the world would stop thinking that 'Americans' (like we are some homogenous tribe) don't like French. Thousands of Americans go to France for tourism every year. Thousands of Americans gave their lives in France, twice over.[/QUOTE]If it wasn't for France us Americans would still be British subjects; and if it wasn't for America the French would be speaking German right about now.
[QUOTE=Sperto]Brazilians, without education, often consider the world's population like: brazilians, latinos and the rest are just gringos. The gringos are almost all the same to them. Americans, Italians, French are all the same. Their geography knowledge is just as bad as the Americans.[/QUOTE]The most popular question I get from Latinas and Brasileiras when I am in my home town is, "What time is it there?" And I'm thinking beoootch I'm damn near due north of you. What time do you think it is? And the most popular question from Americans if you mention a country other than Mexico, Jamaica, England, France, or Canada is, "Where is that?"

Went to Centro yesterday. Hit 502 and then 4x4.

As BubbaBoy texted me. 502 put their prices up: R$150 for 40 mins and R$190 for 1 hour. After purchasing an hour and handing over 3 50R$ notes and 2 20R$ notes, the receptionist asked me for R$10. I'm like, um, I know I gave you R$190. She's like, no no,"para mim. Caixinha." I laughed and said "After R$190, I'm a little broke."

Which only prompted her to lower her ask to R$5. 00. Really? I'm supposed to tip you for performing the classy service of accepting my money?

Had a solid session in the room with the one girl there I think is smoking hot. She wanted to keep my travel-size Listerine. She needed it when I was done with her LOL. Place was packed with people. It's 2 days after payday (5th each month) and on Fridays for 2 weeks now they are doing some kind of promo-theme party, Weddings. As my gal said, you get married at reception and go upstairs for the honeymoon (which literally is translated into Porto as something like lua-mel). When's the inevitable Brazilian divorce, though? .

4x4 was pretty busy in the main boate. The boate in the back (way down the corridor and up the spiral stairs) is definitely still nicer, and quieter. But now it's become a bullshit "smoking room." I hate that. (After sitting in 502's smoking room, I have to wash all my clothes immediately).

Had a solid session at 4x4 with a tall, lean, black older (well, she said 25) girl named "Fanny." She used to work at MCs she said and Balcony (think I've seen her there).4x4 pricing is still pretty reasaonable. Think it was R$50 entrada and maybe R$220 for an hour? Funniest part: I'm telling her about where I live in Copa, and she's like "I think I know that apartment." And she proceeds to describe it in some detail. The owner (whom I'm renting from while he's overseas) is something of a notorious safado. LOL. FYI bottles of Heineken at 4x4 are now R$9. 00, which I know will annoy some people. If I drank it, I'd be annoyed. At least 502 still gives you your R$20 entrada towards beers or waters as consumacao.

By the way, the general body type at 4x4 remains big-butt, slightly chub-chub. It's not ideal for the Cartman's tastes. And several of these types have moved over lately to 65.

-Cartman

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman;1152757]It's 2 days after payday (5th each month) and on Fridays for 2 weeks now they are doing some kind of promo-theme party, Weddings. As my gal said, you get married at reception and go upstairs for the honeymoon (which literally is translated into Porto as something like lua-mel). When's the inevitable Brazilian divorce, though?[/QUOTE]That is easy. When you run out of money.

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101;1152590]This is puzzeling? Who gives a shit about soccer? Puts me to sleep but the point is she wouldn't fuck that coulple becuase of soccer? Stockings, heels, a set of hooters and a pretty face and I don't give a fuck if it is one of Osama Bin Ladin's 14 ex wives. I'm fucking! As much as I don't care for Parisians I do like to fuck them. BTW, Caan is worth the trip over the pond and the US Cemetary is inspirational and well cared for by the French. Towns like Ste Mere Eglise stand as a shrine to their American liberators.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, I don't judge a bucetta by its owner.

Been to Cannes a few times, I once had a girlfriend who I met in Marbella who was German, she lived in Paris. Screwed her all over the French Riviera and Paris too, time well spent in France. Didn't get there by bus though but that's a good question.

S.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1152672]I agree that some Americans have a poor knowledge of Geography compared to Europeans, but only some. Having said this all less educated Brazilians that I know have zero knowledge of Geography. Most of the girls that I know are from Zona Norte and further up into the baixada, very poor areas. Not one of them knows anything about the rest of the world unless they have worked in Europe. Most think Miami is a country near the USA. It is that bad.[/QUOTE]Some americans have a poor knowledge of geography? Please, even those who travels, which is max 30% of the american population, have an extremely poor knowledge of geography. No offence to you or anybody who might feel offended, but that is the truth. To make things even worse, I once sat in front of Help and listened to a bunch of americans basicly screaming about their experiences last night. I sat quiet and listened, but could not help but smile. Then after several minutes one of them looked at me and said; Hey, you understand what we are saying. Duh! He did not even believe europeans understood english!

Sorry Bubba Boy, no pun intended, but the majority of americans are also quite ignorant.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1152757]Went to Centro yesterday. Hit 502

They are doing some kind of promo-theme party, Weddings. As my gal said, you get married at reception and go upstairs for the honeymoon (which literally is translated into Porto as something like lua-mel). When's the inevitable Brazilian divorce, though? . [/QUOTE]

Weird. I would think that most guys hanging out there are married, or have been, and aren't the slightest bit amused.

I think I'd after about 10 minutes I'd be back to the boite looking for some strange. :)

General comment on the thread geography discussion: You only need to know geography if you want to go somewhere, right? Most Brasilians and for that matter, most Americans, don't have the spare cash to fund an overseas trip. Europeans seem better off in that respect, with money to travel. Anywhere I monger, except Costa Rica and Mexico, guys from Germany and the UK are there in force. A Carioca colleague told me that some sex tourist group from Germany actually rents commercial airliners and flies them to Rio. Nothing but mongers on the plane. So I take it that people in DE have a lot of money to travel, if it is possible to recruit planeloads of mongers, and knowledge of geography in DE would be pretty good. Rio is here, Angeles City is there, Pattaya is up here....haha :) Personally, I think anyone with local access to FKK and Partytreff is crazy to come to Rio given rising prices and the exchange rate of Reais to Euros, but to each their own...

[QUOTE=Fronyl; 1152897]S.

Some americans have a poor knowledge of geography? Please, even those who travels, which is max 30% of the american population, have an extremely poor knowledge of geography. No offence to you or anybody who might feel offended, but that is the truth. To make things even worse, I once sat in front of Help and listened to a bunch of americans basicly screaming about their experiences last night. I sat quiet and listened, but could not help but smile. Then after several minutes one of them looked at me and said; Hey, you understand what we are saying. Duh! He did not even believe europeans understood english!

Sorry Bubba Boy, no pun intended, but the majority of americans are also quite ignorant. [/QUOTE]I hope to not digress too much, but to entertain. I was in Rio a couple months ago and flew back via GIG- ATL. The USA citizen in front of me had this discussion with the TSA officer.

TSA: What were you doing in Rio?

American: I live in Rio.

TSA: Why would you want to live there instead of here?

American: Because it is a beautiful city and I like it there.

TSA: Don't you like the USA?

American: Yes, but I like to live in Rio. I have been there for 2 years.

TSA: Do you want to remain a US citizen? Why have you been gone so long.

American: Yes.

TSA: Okay (passes him)

I know people who don't travel overseas simply because they don't like being treated like a traitor by the TSA and scanned / searched like a criminal. So things like this will perpetuate the disinterest in travelling. Too bad for Carioca WGs, as the Americanos view Brasilieras as very exotic and the common man would love to get his hands on one. I don't speak of my activities, but every Americano that I know on a personal level insinuates jealousy at the idea of my being down in BR taking Brasileiras. It's not that the guys don't want to go. It's just too much expense, and too much hassle from the govt. Realize that in these parts, BR has a rep as a place for pervs who want to exploit girls. Remember what the signs in the hotels like Copa Premier warn against? That's what people in EUA think male visitors go to Rio for. Go to Rio or BKK, and you are suspect. I know of a guy whose camera was searched at LAX for illegal pix, simply because had several LOS stamps on his passport. This is the environment that your fellow Americano ISG'ers operate in. Like criminals on return to EUA. Not fun, and not conducive to thinking about the world outside the borders.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1152924]Personally, I think anyone with local access to FKK and Partytreff is crazy to come to Rio given rising prices and the exchange rate of Reais to Euros, but to each their own...[/QUOTE]Perhaps yes, but still the Brazilian experience is something different and well worth taking the time to go trough.

Regarding the travelling and geography, I've had many times the impression that Americans tend to look at the world out there like one big scary place where strange people is hiding in bushes waiting to have a chance to do evil on them as they venture out of their "safe" country (which I think is just about one of the most unsafe places on earth BTW, due to "cultural" reasons, to the amount of firearms available, the amount of nutjobs around and so on).

It is true that Brits get around a lot, and if you lived in a place with similar climate I bet you'd want to get around too. Is also true tho, that most of all they do wherever they are is sitting in the local Irish pub getting smashed, LOL. Germans get around a lot. They have a good economy that allows them to do so and just like Brits have all the climatic motivation to hop on a plane looking for sunshine, they also seem to have a more genuine interest toward travelling and discovering the world.

Bless

[QUOTE=Fronyl;1152897]Sorry Bubba Boy, no pun intended, but the majority of americans are also quite ignorant.[/QUOTE]Indeed.

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[QUOTE=Fronyl; 1152897]S.

Sorry Bubba Boy, no pun intended, but the majority of americans are also quite ignorant. [/QUOTE]Why would you say sorry, I am not American!

[QUOTE=Fronyl; 1152897]S.

Some americans have a poor knowledge of geography? Please, even those who travels, which is max 30% of the american population, have an extremely poor knowledge of geography. No offence to you or anybody who might feel offended, but that is the truth. To make things even worse, I once sat in front of Help and listened to a bunch of americans basicly screaming about their experiences last night. I sat quiet and listened, but could not help but smile. Then after several minutes one of them looked at me and said; Hey, you understand what we are saying. Duh! He did not even believe europeans understood english!

Sorry Bubba Boy, no pun intended, but the majority of americans are also quite ignorant. [/QUOTE]This is a blanket statement. Just Like I could say that the majority of Europeans are socialist arrogant asses that tend to surrender a lot and cry for American help quite often. Or I could say Europeans tend to not have offspring while the Islamist imigrants have 8-20 kids each on their governments dime. These immigrants will take over the continent in 50 years. Meanwhile the Euro's worry about such phantoms as global warming and bleached paper or who the prince will marry. Who gives a fuck if you overheard who I was fucking last night? What's your point anyway? I know where your from it's some little [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] ass Dutchy that either surrendered to us or begged for our help a couple of time in the past 100 years.

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101;1153095]This is a blanket statement. Just Like I could say that the majority of Europeans are socialist arrogant asses that tend to surrender a lot and cry for American help quite often. Or I could say Europeans tend to not have offspring while the Islamist imigrants have 8-20 kids each on their governments dime. These immigrants will take over the continent in 50 years. Meanwhile the Euro's worry about such phantoms as global warming and bleached paper or who the prince will marry. Who gives a fuck if you overheard who I was fucking last night? What's your point anyway? I know where your from it's some little [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] ass Dutchy that either surrendered to us or begged for our help a couple of time in the past 100 years.[/QUOTE]Guys / chaps. Can everybody calm down please before this escalates into a xenophobic slang-fest. These sorts of comments are common on another lesser mongers' forum. But not here please. Let's focus on sharing the info that helps us get os melhores buceta e bunda no mundo.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;1153138]Guys / chaps. Can everybody calm down please before this escalates into a xenophobic slang-fest. These sorts of comments are common on another lesser mongers' forum. But not here please. Let's focus on sharing the info that helps us get os melhores buceta e bunda no mundo.[/QUOTE]Yeh, somewhere like 5 posts below I actually wrote a useful post on 4x4 and 502. Sheesh.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1152674]Terma 502 has just put up their prices.

60 minutes is now R$ 190, used to be R$ 150.

40 minutes is now R$ 150, used to be R$ 120.

Entrance I believe is the same at R$ 20, which includes 3 local beers.

I believe that 502 is the best value place in Centro. The hour used to be R$180 all up with 3 drinks included, now it is R$210. This compares to 4x4 at R$270 for the hour but without drinks. The women are the same quality although this varies with the season. [/QUOTE]But they still also have 20- and 30-minute sessions, right? As far as the quality of the women is concerned, I'd still think that 4*4 talent is better and the lineup deeper.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1152980]I hope to not digress too much, but to entertain. I was in Rio a couple months ago and flew back via GIG- ATL. The USA citizen in front of me had this discussion with the TSA officer.

TSA: What were you doing in Rio?

American: I live in Rio.

TSA: Do you want to remain a US citizen? Why have you been gone so long.

American: Yes.

TSA: Okay (passes him)

I know people who don't travel overseas simply because they don't like being treated like a traitor by the TSA and scanned / searched like a criminal. So things like this will perpetuate the disinterest in travelling. [/QUOTE]I think when you wrote TSA (Transportation Security Administration) you actually mean ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement). I have never had any problems with immigration. Sure I have had to go put my bag through agriculture a couple of times, but nothing like I read from some people on the forum. I have never seen them interested in pornography as some people state. As many bootleg dvds that I have had the couple times they have actually hand searched my luggage they have not said a word about it. They might ask you power up your computer just to see the screen light up, but they don't go through files or anything. What they are actually looking for is drugs. They could give a rats ass about that other stuff. Like when I bring in my crocodile products and used to report them on the customs form. They guy would always laugh and say man we are not worried about that kind of stuff.

If people were really interested in avoiding the harassment, as some have put it, then it would be in their best interest to get Global Entry [url]http://www.globalentry.gov/[/url] so they can go directly to the machine and avoid human interaction. There are only 4 questions you have to answer at the machine. One is the currency in excess of $10, 000 and another is about if you have been around livestock. The other two I can not remember but I always answer no to all 4. And the computer already knows what flight you came from so you just confirm it and it prints out your card to hand to the guy on the customs end as you are passing through. Only $100 for 5 years and you will save a lot of time and not have to worry about being questioned/harassed.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;1153138]Guys / chaps. Can everybody calm down please before this escalates into a xenophobic slang-fest. These sorts of comments are common on another lesser mongers' forum. But not here please. Let's focus on sharing the info that helps us get os melhores buceta e bunda no mundo.[/QUOTE]No culture has cornered the market on the asshole factor. Our cultural abrasions and how we deal with them depend on life experience and how small or large that window has been. Having said that, the seasoned monger can have a little distorted view. Spending too much time with desperate people who's job it is to kiss your ass can give you a false sense of your own importance. Happy mongering, but keep it real.

Since we are in the process of comparing the two termas, yes, if you want to spend slightly less then 502 is a better option. In terms of value, especially those of us who like to take maybe 2 or 3 garotas per visit, now that 502 decided to raise prices they have erased themselves as a vialble option for the siple fact that 4 X 4 continues to waive the 50 real entrance if you session before 5:00pm. Fifty reals trumps 3 free (20 reals for the entrance) drinks at 502.

In addition, someone quoted 9 reals for a Heineken at 4 X 4, how about 8 reals for a bottled Skol? Six reals for water or juice? Jeez! Still can't stack all of that with the value included with the facilities, quality entertainment, and just ass everywhere feeling one gets when at 4 X 4.

So if you session twice in one day or take two gals simultaneously at both places for an hour or split them up, at 502 now you are talking about 400 reals (3 drinks included) vs 440 at 4 X 4 (Buy your own drinks). So for about $25 more dollars plus drinks I can go to 4 X 4 instead of 502? They've made the decision for me easy as I'll be growing roots AWAY from 502. In my humble opinion, they used to be a good value; not anymore.

[QUOTE=Euro100;1153272]But they still also have 20- and 30-minute sessions, right? As far as the quality of the women is concerned, I'd still think that 4*4 talent is better and the lineup deeper.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1153286]So if you session twice in one day or take two gals simultaneously at both places for an hour or split them up, at 502 now you are talking about 400 reals (3 drinks included) vs 440 at 4 X 4 (Buy your own drinks). So for about $25 more dollars plus drinks I can go to 4 X 4 instead of 502? They've made the decision for me easy as I'll be growing roots AWAY from 502. In my humble opinion, they used to be a good value; not anymore.[/QUOTE]It is interesting that the look of the women is different at both places. 44 tends to have more blondes, more thicker body builder types and the women tend to be older than 502. I always struggle to find something I like at 44. I personally like slimmer morenas. 502 at the moment has more women for my tastes than 44 has. It is a matter of taste. Certainly can't argue about the facilities. 502 is a dump. 44 is less of a dump, still a dump by world standards though.

It will be interesting to see how the local guys react to the price increase at 502. The local clients at 502 are a lot less well off than their 44 counter parts. Your average local clients at 44 have cash. 502 clients are very much working class guys that pay their R$20 entrance and drink beer. Going into winter as well 502 could see a big drop off in business. This actually benefits this cowboy! Less ass grabbers competing for the women!

Is there any club that has replaced Club Help yet?

Jay

[QUOTE=JayHighFive; 1153553]Is there any club that has replaced Club Help yet?

Jay[/QUOTE]Não! There will never be another Help in Rio!

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1153771]Não! There will never be another Help in Rio![/QUOTE]When I read BB's opinion, I knew it was true. Everything is ephemeral. Help is in the past. But, I couldn't help thinking about Shoe less Joe Jackson (baseball fans will know what I write about) : "Tell me it ain't so, Joe, tell me it ain't so."

[QUOTE=Dymytry; 1148555]Greetings Gentlemen!

I am planning my first trip to Brasil and need your advice.

What I want is to find a place with surfing activities in Brasil. I mean surfing spots with surfing schools for the beginners. I have googled two places of this kind in Brasil: one is called Santa-Katarina or something, and another one is located very close to Rio. Could you provide me with some information about destinations of this kind: which place to choose, what about nightlife there, what about hotel prices, and of course what about garotas there?

Apart from surfing of course I want to visit Rio. A small problem is that I will probably land in Sao-Paolo and then go to Rio by bus.

Any suggestions would be highly appreciated! [/QUOTE][url]Http://vimeo.com/9768069[/url]

The above movie highlights Arpoador as a good place to surf in Rio

The thing is you don't know what you have until it is gone. I know people that couldn't stand Club Help. But even if you don't like music and the club scene Help brought girls from outside Rio. Without help there is a lot less girls in Rio.

So I know there is no Club Help but is there any clubs with music where the girls go at night?

[QUOTE=Legal Tender;1153781]When I read BB's opinion, I knew it was true. Everything is ephemeral. Help is in the past. But, I couldn't help thinking about Shoe less Joe Jackson (baseball fans will know what I write about) : "Tell me it ain't so, Joe, tell me it ain't so."[/QUOTE]

Not me, I loved it. Remember pulling the loveliest sexiest young girl out of there many years ago. One of the very few working girls I've used more than once. The whole vibe. 1,000's of ho's from the insanely sexy, down to plain insane. All there waiting for me to choose. Back in. Can't remember when got 6 real to the pound. 2 weeks in hotel atlantico, came back to UK with back-ache from so much fucking. Ahh good times.

I went to 340 General Roca yesterday, took the first set of stairs on the left (as directed in the website) and found major "obras" going on- no sign of the entrada to Tigresas. I later tried to call them- no answer. I wonder if anyone else has tried to go there this week. Could just be me forgetting how I found the place last time (even though it's only a couple of weeks since I went there).

[QUOTE=Huntsman;1153900]I went to 340 General Roca yesterday, took the first set of stairs on the left (as directed in the website) and found major "obras" going on- no sign of the entrada to Tigresas. I later tried to call them- no answer. I wonder if anyone else has tried to go there this week. Could just be me forgetting how I found the place last time (even though it's only a couple of weeks since I went there).[/QUOTE]You walked in through a parking garage entrance at 340, and turned into the hallway on the left, and in that hallway you went to the the door that is actually to your right, correct? If I remember correctly, it is a wooden door and there is a buzzer.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1153907]You walked in through a parking garage entrance at 340, and turned into the hallway on the left, and in that hallway you went to the the door that is actually to your right, correct? If I remember correctly, it is a wooden door and there is a buzzer.[/QUOTE]I turned into the hallway on the left and then went up the stairs, as directed by the website. Now I'm not even sure if I went upstairs the last time I was there- I can easily get confused when visiting lots of places. Bottom line- don't take my word for it. Just seems odd they didn't answer their telephone either.

[QUOTE=Huntsman;1153926]I turned into the hallway on the left and then went up the stairs, as directed by the website. Now I'm not even sure if I went upstairs the last time I was there- I can easily get confused when visiting lots of places. Bottom line- don't take my word for it. Just seems odd they didn't answer their telephone either.[/QUOTE]I think I owe it to the forum to try again tomorrow- will report accordingly.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1152679]I was flirting with a girl selling fruits on the street in another siteésina. She asked where I came from. I told her and also explained that it's in Europe. She was quiet for a while and then asked how many hours it takes going by bus to Brazil.

Another girl also asked where I came from. I told her, and she thought my country was a state in the southern part of Brazil.[/QUOTE]Do they really need an education because school is just job training and you really don't learn jackstaff in the school system. The so-called educated ones are the ones who have destroyed the economy and are politicians and lawyers. Yea we need more of these type of people.

[QUOTE=Huntsman;1153928]I think I owe it to the forum to try again tomorrow- will report accordingly.[/QUOTE]Please, do so.
(Tigresas closing should be much worse than a closed Help. :))

[QUOTE=Huntsman;1153926]I turned into the hallway on the left and then went up the stairs, as directed by the website. Now I'm not even sure if I went upstairs the last time I was there- I can easily get confused when visiting lots of places. Bottom line- don't take my word for it. Just seems odd they didn't answer their telephone either.[/QUOTE]Enter the garage, after 15-20 (?) metres turn left into a hall, on your right side there is a white (?) door with a sign "114". Buzz!

It says nothing about Tigresas being closed on Gpguia so I hope it's a false alarm

Please ignore my earlier report- Tigresas is very much open. This time in General Roca 340 I took the first corridor on the left and buzzed the buzzer for the door above which is a sign "Sala 114". Once inside you do indeed mount a staircase. I'd forgotten that the staircase is inside the door and not vice versa. That's my flimsy excuse for not finding it last time and I apologise for any alarm caused!

By the way, had an hour with Natasha (80 Reis) , who introduced herself topless, thereby gaining a somewhat unfair advantage over the others as she has such a fine pair- if you like nicely stacked slim girls she's a good 'un. Excellent service too- great value.

[QUOTE=Huntsman;1154203]By the way, had an hour with Natasha (80 Reis) , who introduced herself topless, thereby gaining a somewhat unfair advantage over the others as she has such a fine pair- if you like nicely stacked slim girls she's a good 'un. Excellent service too- great value.[/QUOTE]Any further details greatly appreciated. Never hurts to reiterate current pricing, or give descriptions of what she would / wouldn't do, etc.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman;1154235]Any further details greatly appreciated. Never hurts to reiterate current pricing, or give descriptions of what she would / wouldn't do, etc.[/QUOTE]Prices are the same as in Sperto's March update (R$ 50/30 min, R$ 60/40 min, R$ 80/60 min). BTW I should have followed your directions, Sperto, rather than the slightly misleading ones on their website. I don't remember much about the other two girls I was introduced to (they made no impression). Natasha told me she is 23 and she looks kind of northern Itallan or something, but she says not. She was very enthusiastic and obviously keen that I had a good time (BBJ DATY kissing GFE dunno about anal didn't ask). Afterwards she told me she does 9 tricks a day, I guess I'm mad to DATY these girls but can't resist.

[QUOTE=Huntsman;1154265]Afterwards she told me she does 9 tricks a day, I guess I'm mad to DATY these girls but can't resist.[/QUOTE]Almost everyone I talk to in PM seems to DATY as well. I've DATY'ed 85% all over town at high volume places like VM, BA85, Bel Prazer, Bar 22, Lazer 13, Florida and tested clean for every STI. And done the same in low end brothels in other countries where girls are less 'safe'. I'm not sure how that happens, as I was expecting + for something, but take it for what it's worth and bom apetite!

[QUOTE=Huntsman;1154203]By the way, had an hour with Natasha (80 Reis) , who introduced herself topless, thereby gaining a somewhat unfair advantage over the others as she has such a fine pair- if you like nicely stacked slim girls she's a good 'un. Excellent service too- great value.[/QUOTE]
Funny! It was exactly my thought when I first visited Tigresas, Natasha was "cheating" in the presentation. I just couldn't resist her when she entered the room topless to present herself. Check-kissing with those lovely boobs hanging freely like two happy puppies, it's just irresistible. Slim, cute, round little butt and very nice pair of big tits.
[QUOTE=Eric Cartman;1154235]Any further details greatly appreciated. Never hurts to reiterate current pricing, or give descriptions of what she would / wouldn't do, etc.[/QUOTE]
I agree with Huntsman that Natasha's service was excellent. She, and the other girls at Tigresas, f*ck wholehearted, very much GFE and with great skills. BBBJ and everything else. I didn't ask for anal.

A detail about Natasha. She has very thick vagina lips. Looks a bit like an acarajé or a hamburger. Nice!
Natasha:
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I can also recommend two of her colleagues
Marcele: 19 years, mulatta, cute, nice butt and with fairly big tits.
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Rafaela: 20 years, petite, very hot and a supercute face. A girl to "fall in love" with.
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I find the 30-minutes alternative at Tigresas, costing R$50, a great choice for one pop-sessions. After the girl presentation the chosen one gives you a towel and disappears for like 5 minutes. This gives you the time for undressing, showering, taking out your own condoms and maybe preparing your camera. When she comes back in the room with her f*ck-kit-bag to start the session, that's when the clock starts ticking, not before. That's what I call a good service!

[QUOTE=Sperto;1154314]Funny! It was exactly my thought when I first visited Tigresas, Natasha was "cheating" in the presentation. I just couldn't resist her when she entered the room topless to present herself. Check-kissing with those lovely boobs hanging freely like two happy puppies, it's just irresistible. Slim, cute, round little butt and very nice pair of big tits.[/QUOTE]That is one of my favorite things about apartos. Walking in and seeing girls running naked and barefoot through the place, hair still wet from showering after the previous session. None of the girlfriend-act and pretense like you get at the termas or most bars.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1154309]Almost everyone I talk to in PM seems to DATY as well. I've DATY'ed 85% all over town at high volume places like VM, BA85, Bel Prazer, Bar 22, Lazer 13, Florida and tested clean for every STI. Also in scarier places in other countries. I'm not sure how that happens, as I was expecting + for something, but take it for what it's worth and Bom apetite![/QUOTE]I have a rule that I shouldn't DATY pro's. A rule that I break every now and then if I happens to be the first client of the day and the girl looks clean and smells good. If I visit the cheaper short-time casas (BA85, Carioca 59, VM etc) DATY is out of the question. Because of hygienic reasons and also because of the time. They might ring the bell before the time really passed. At those casas I rather make sure I get to pop than "wasting" valuable minutes doing DATY.

Only once I had a problem after DATY. In Manaus at the famous strip-club Remulos the girls do table-dances. It's custom that when the girls do the table-dance the guys can finger and lick as much as they want. Me and a friend payed Rafela to do a table-dance. I was a bit drunk and licked happily during the table-dance. My tongue ended up guite deep in both her vagina and her anus. The result was that I almost lost my voice for two days.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1154326]Only once I had a problem after DATY. In Manaus at the famous strip-club Remulos the girls do table-dances. It's custom that when the girls do the table-dance the guys can finger and lick as much as they want. Me and a friend payed Rafela to do a table-dance. I was a bit drunk and licked happily during the table-dance. My tongue ended up guite deep in both her vagina and her anus. The result was that I almost lost my voice for two days.[/QUOTE]Well, since you are going there into the list of non-permanent, non-traditional STI: I must admit that I did catch something fairly horrible from DATY, but temporary and not from a Brasileira. That was from DATY and asshole licking on blowjob girls in a pink salon in Tokyo. Very dangerous girls; they suck sometimes 50+/dia BBBJWCIM. But still the girls have class and allure, I can't resist taking the deep dive.

The 2nd to last time I was in Rio, I had a very sore thoat and was running a high fever. A couple of the girls at Club Florida commented on my high body temperature. I told them straight that yeah, maybe I need to get some azitro at the pharmacy and it would get better. But it didn't stop either of them from DFK, BBBJ, etc. Probably it's distasteful for us to be doing it with that foreknowledge, but putas and hobbyists are not exactly utilitarians. And last time, I left a day early due to killer sore throat, shortness of breath and coughing a little blood. Last, but certainly not least, I caught something in my eye from 69ing termas girls in Sao Paulo a few years back. Got an eye infection and spent half a week mongering SP with one eye involuntarily closed. But I consider all of that part of the hobby, and test clean today, so as always its risk vs reward but I know the luck runs out eventually. In the end, I agree totally with your policy of no-DATY on pros but just can't abide by it in such a nice place as Rio where there are so many temptations! fyi..stats say that 41% of the Paulistas have genital herpes. Apparently prevelance is lower in the Carioca population, or we'd hear ALOT more complaints.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1154325]That is one of my favorite things about apartos. Walking in and seeing girls running naked and barefoot through the place, hair still wet from showering after the previous session. None of the girlfriend-act and pretense like you get at the termas or most bars.[/QUOTE]I agree, that's very nice.

At Tigresas you can have some fun if they tell you to wait for a vacant room. Sit down in the "reception" next to the desk. There is a camera monitor showing various views: outside the main door, the hall and also the girls dressing room. You can see how the girls prepare themselfes, undressing, doing make-up, jokes around and laughs.

I appreciate the discretion at the privês. You don't meet the other clients. It can be quite a turn-off seeing the client the girl had just before you. Once in Vila Mimosa I met a slim, quite short and beautiful morena. Just before we went off to have a session she said Hi to two clients she just had half an hour earlier. It was two old german guys with walrus-mustaches and giant bellies. I'm not lying when I tell you that they must have weighed at least 150 kg each. Those two had the girl for a two-hole sandwich. I quickly made a choice for another girl.

Sorry for my ignorance. I am tryig to read but don't understand. What and where is Tigresas?

Jay.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1154333]I agree, that's very nice.

At Tigresas you can have some fun if they tell you to wait for a vacant room. Sit down in the "reception" next to the desk. There is a camera monitor showing various views: outside the main door, the hall and also the girls dressing room. You can see how the girls prepare themselfes, undressing, doing make-up, jokes around and laughs.

I appreciate the discretion at the privês. You don't meet the other clients. It can be quite a turn-off seeing the client the girl had just before you. Once in Vila Mimosa I met a slim, quite short and beautiful morena. Just before we went off to have a session she said Hi to two clients she just had half an hour earlier. It was two old german guys with walrus-mustaches and giant bellies. I'm not lying when I tell you that they must have weighed at least 150 kg each. Those two had the girl for a two-hole sandwich. I quickly made a choice for another girl. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JayHighFive; 1154389]Sorry for my ignorance. I am tryig to read but don't understand. What and where is Tigresas?

Jay. [/QUOTE]It is a prives (small brothel) about 10 minutes on the other side of centro. About 10 girls work there and charge about R$ 80 for the hour.

[url]http://www.tigresastijucanas.com/[/url]

I complied a list of the more popular places, you can find it here

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2191-Bubba-Boy-s-Rio-Guide&p=1143331&viewfull=1#post1143331[/url]

Just looking to get some advice from anyone that has been to both. A buddy and I are planning a trip for early July and are trying to get some advice one way or the other. Pro's and cons and appearance in girls between the both is what we are interested in. Thanks in advance for everyones help and advice.

BCeo

With the real riding high and inflation making things even worse, I went to Buenos Aires with high hopes. The peso was 4 to 1, and prices weren't so bad, but the working girls were, on average, older and less attractive and the service was, on average, far less than what you find in Rio. I wanted Buenos Aires to be a good alternative to Rio so badly, I went twice within the past 3 years, but I ended up regretting going both times. There are a lot more options and available women in Rio than in Buenos Aires. But Rio is much more expensive, right now, but you get what you pay for. If money is not a problem, Rio is a no brainer. If money is a concern, you can calculate price versus quality, and what you value most.

You can also weigh different options in Rio. You can go to the "high-end termas", middle--range places or much cheaper low-end places in Rio, as has been documented in this forum. Service can be great at the high and low-end, and gems are to be found at the low-end, as well.

Given my calculations of value, I still prefer Rio. Brazilians are also much more friendly than the Argentines.

[QUOTE=Black Ceo; 1154775]Just looking to get some advice from anyone that has been to both. A buddy and I are planning a trip for early July and are trying to get some advice one way or the other. Pro's and cons and appearance in girls between the both is what we are interested in. Thanks in advance for everyones help and advice.

BCeo[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Black Ceo; 1154775]Just looking to get some advice from anyone that has been to both. A buddy and I are planning a trip for early July and are trying to get some advice one way or the other. Pro's and cons and appearance in girls between the both is what we are interested in. Thanks in advance for everyones help and advice.

BCeo[/QUOTE]Well if you're looking for a quaint city with nice restaurants, cobblestone streets and Tango shows, I'd suggest BA, Argentina.

On the other hand, if you guys are looking for fun people, fun sexy girls, and a bit more adventure, try Rio, Sao Paulo, Fortaleza, a Bahia, or just Brazil in general. IMHO.

As far as the differences in women ... well, in my experience, it's night and day, as Brasileiras win by a landslide.

Yesterday's "O Globo"reports, that Rio's first operating Terma has closed forever. The notice was confirmed in today's edition.

In the next update of his great guide, Bubba should update the information given on Centro Termas:

"They will slug you for using a credit card by about 10. Girl's.

Fees must be paid in cash on the way out to the receptionist."

4x4 allows you to pay your entire bill with credit card at no surcharge.

[QUOTE=Black Ceo; 1154775]Just looking to get some advice from anyone that has been to both. A buddy and I are planning a trip for early July and are trying to get some advice one way or the other. Pro's and cons and appearance in girls between the both is what we are interested in. Thanks in advance for everyones help and advice.

BCeo[/QUOTE]After more than a decade mongering in Rio, I replaced Rio with BA as my mongering destination of first choice. This is not a permanent decision and I may reverse it sometime in the future. But for right now, Rio has priced itself out of this monger's market.

If costs were the same, Rio would win hands down. It's much more of a fun city than BA. Cariocas are naturally friendly, whereas Argentinians seem to be a much more dour and reserved people. BA is much more of a cultural city, if you are into high culture. As far as mongering, sex is just as easy to get in either city, although the means of getting it is different. Termas don't exist in BA; the primary venue for finding chicas are privados, or private apartments. Like the termas, they vary in quality, some being very high end, others grungy and disgusting. But even the high end privados are dirt cheap compared to high end Rio termas. An hour with a quality chica in a high end privado will cost, at the most, AP250, or US$62. 50. The same in a high end Rio termas will cost you several times that. BA has several high end chica bars, similar to Rio's boites or boates. They are all ripoffs; stay away. And the poster who said that BA chicas are far below Rio's in quality doesn't know what he's talking about. Both cities have fine, beautiful chicas who provide excellent service. You may or may not be aware that Argentina is not one of the countries for which information is available on ISG. Argentine has its own forum, Argentina Private: [url]http://www.argentinaprivate.com/.[/url] Check it out. It is much less well-organized than ISG. In fact, it's somewhat chaotic. But you should find a plethora of information there, including chica photos. I might also point out that BA does not have anywhere near the crime problem that Rio does. BA is a much safer city; not safe, but safer. And Rio is much easier to find your way arouns.

In a nutshell, the deciding factor is money. If money is no object, choose Rio, if you don't mind going home with an empty wallet. Otherwise, take a more frugal trip to BA.

[QUOTE=Black Ceo; 1154775]Just looking to get some advice from anyone that has been to both. A buddy and I are planning a trip for early July and are trying to get some advice one way or the other. Pro's and cons and appearance in girls between the both is what we are interested in. Thanks in advance for everyones help and advice.

BCeo[/QUOTE]I have always enjoyed my trips to both cities. Both have plenty of things to do see when not mongering. BA is definitely cheaper as far as value of US Dollar, food, taxis, and SEX. Rio has its beaches which are nice. July is winter in both cities, but it will be chillier in BA, especially in the evenings.

Overall, I have always found the girls in Rio to be more sexy and attractive, but I have met with hot girls in BA. If picking up street walkers interests you, I would say BA would be safer. As far as girl friendly hotels, I would give the edge to BA. Rio has its Termas which I really enjoy. BA has its privados or private apartments.

If I had to pick one of the cities, I would go with Rio. But you will have fun in both. Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Raimund L; 1154855]In the next update of his great guide, Bubba should update the information given on Centro Termas:

"They will slug you for using a credit card by about 10. Girl's.

Fees must be paid in cash on the way out to the receptionist."

4x4 allows you to pay your entire bill with credit card at no surcharge. [/QUOTE]I have noted this under the 44 section. It will appear in the next update. Thanks

[QUOTE=Raimund L; 1154855]In the next update of his great guide, Bubba should update the information given on Centro Termas:

"They will slug you for using a credit card by about 10. Girl's.

Fees must be paid in cash on the way out to the receptionist."

4x4 allows you to pay your entire bill with credit card at no surcharge. [/QUOTE]And you will find about $300 in extra charges all up and down your Visa. Don't Do It! NEVER ! Not had fees and BS charges added. Only time no issue was on Amex Travel Card!

I went to Club 22 and use my credit card for a session. I paid for an hour and only got 1/2. Had a smoking hot 22 dark morena. I discussed it and they played dumb and stupid. No problem, because I used Amex. Amex will investigate with Club 22 hiding that it was for pay4play. Teach them, charge was canceled and I got a free session.

[QUOTE=Lorenzo; 1154857]After more than a decade mongering in Rio, I replaced Rio with BA as my mongering destination of first choice. This is not a permanent decision and I may reverse it sometime in the future. But for right now, Rio has priced itself out of this monger's market.

If costs were the same, Rio would win hands down. It's much more of a fun city than BA. Cariocas are naturally friendly, whereas Argentinians seem to be a much more dour and reserved people. BA is much more of a cultural city, if you are into high culture. As far as mongering, sex is just as easy to get in either city, although the means of getting it is different. Termas don't exist in BA; the primary venue for finding chicas are privados, or private apartments. Like the termas, they vary in quality, some being very high end, others grungy and disgusting. But even the high end privados are dirt cheap compared to high end Rio termas. An hour with a quality chica in a high end privado will cost, at the most, AP250, or US$62. 50. [/QUOTE]

I was considering a diversion from Rio to BA several times. The pricing and availability of sex seemed great like you say. But what kind of sex? After RTFF at Argentina Private I got the perception that even WG's are more conservative there, and things like anal and CIM are not as easy to find, unless you have experience from previous trips, or a good local advisor. Same goes for Paraguay, I've considered it on the basis of recommendations from Ken Apples' posts here on ISG, but seems generally more conservative WGs than in Rio or SP. I hope that I am wrong.

Brasilian termas and casa girls seem to be there 50% for fun and 50% for the money. Sometimes they do stuff that I never even asked them to do. Like sucking my toes, trying to lick my ass, offering anal before pussy, wanting to go bareback in pussy and even ass, barking like a dog, trying to take both balls in their mouths at one time, sucking my tongue during DFK so hard it hurt for hours. I'm not saying that it happens all the time, or even half the time, but certainly much more often than in other Latin places like Costa Rica or Mexico where girls are much more reserved. Fear of BA girls being like those Latin girls has kept me away from BA so far. I hope am I guessing wrong, though, as I'm always looking for new places if there is a reasonable chance of getting GFE at least 30% of the time.

I think it's still possible to have a great time at reasonable prices in Rio. Bel Prazer is usually good. Tigresas. Drunk girls from Balcony, late night. A well-interviewed girl within Club Florida. A well-interviewed girl from T502. The list goes on. Lodging charges are the real killer. Ibis Centro, just about the most boring out-of-the way GF hotel in town, isn't even cheap anymore. Something like R180 back in February. I could session two girls, anal, CIM, etc for that price...

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca;1154985]I went to Club 22 and use my credit card for a session. I paid for an hour and only got 1/2. Had a smoking hot 22 dark morena. I discussed it and they played dumb and stupid. No problem, because I used Amex. Amex will investigate with Club 22 hiding that it was for pay4play. Teach them, charge was canceled and I got a free session.[/QUOTE]

I heard a rumor on another forum about the recent closing of 22. Is it true?

22 is / was owned by a cop. AMEX will get no where. I've said many good things about a couple of the working girls in that place, but hold that the 22 desk women are total scam artists. They've tried to gringo-tax me before, tried to charge me for drinks I didn't have, etc. I'd never use a credit card at any of these P4P places. Consider you are giving your credit card number to someone who is basically a pimp, and that puts it into perspective. Sir, you've mongered too much when you start seeing pimps and hos as trustworthy people. ;) .

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1155015]I heard a rumor on another forum about the recent closing of 22. Is it true?

22 is / was owned by a cop. AMEX will get no where. I've said many good things about a couple of the working girls in that place, but hold that the 22 desk women are total scam artists. They've tried to gringo-tax me before, tried to charge me for drinks I didn't have, etc. I'd never use a credit card at any of these P4P places. Consider you are giving your credit card number to someone who is basically a pimp, and that puts it into perspective. Sir, you've mongered too much when you start seeing pimps and hos as trustworthy people. . [/QUOTE]It was Easter week holiday. ATM machines were spit out dust. So I used an Amex Platinum card, because they understand the gringo tax and said it's normal overseas to get over charged. I wouldn't use Visa or mastercard. It was taken care of by Amex quickly.

Monte Carlo was closed the whole 10 days I was there, 13-23 April.

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca;1155016]It was Easter week holiday. ATM machines were spit out dust. So I used an Amex Platinum card, because they understand the gringo tax and said it's normal overseas to get over charged. I wouldn't use Visa or mastercard. It was taken care of by Amex quickly.[/QUOTE]I don't even trust the restauranteurs in Brasil, as I've been overcharged by them several times. I sign for so many reais, and they add on charges later. As for AMEX, I got mugged in a different country and all my cards and most of my cash was taken. Totally screwed. AMEX asked for my location so they could overnight airmail the replacement card, credited the fraudulent charge amounts back my account balance the next day, and no questions were asked. They even offered to send a cash-advance authorization to a local AMEX center so I could have cash to use until the new card arrived. MC and Visa locked my accounts until I returned multiple affidavits stating that I didn't gain anything from the charges, I don't know who made the charges, etc. MC and Visa Cards finally came to my home 2 weeks after I returned the affidavits. Priceless! Now I leave MC and Visa at home if I'm going to some scam-rich environment like Rio.

Hi.

I am an indian visiting Rio soon.

Any suggestions of decent pick up places, clubs?

Any places to avoid for a first time traveller?

Any help appreciated.

Cheers.

Sharath

[QUOTE=Shartz6996; 1155153]Hi.
I am an indian visiting Rio soon.
Any suggestions of decent pick up places, clubs? [/QUOTE]Yes, lots of them.
Just read the forum.

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca;1155016]Monte Carlo was closed the whole 10 days I was there, 13-23 April.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure MC only closed on Friday? They are on Monday. Sat hours now (no more Sundays). I thought for sure for Easter they just closed Friday. I know I went there Tues / Weds that week. *shrug*

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce;1154926]And you will find about $300 in extra charges all up and down your Visa. Don't Do It! NEVER ! Not had fees and BS charges added. Only time no issue was on Amex Travel Card![/QUOTE]It never happened to me. I have paid with Mastercard. I mean, you see the amount when you sign.

[QUOTE=Raimund L;1154851]Yesterday's "O Globo"reports, that Rio's first operating Terma has closed forever. The notice was confirmed in today's edition.[/QUOTE]This ad is from the early 1980's, I remember whenever I got in a taxi in the 1980's they would hand me a pamphlet for Aeroporto and tell me what a nice place it was and what nice girls they had. During that time I only went once to a termas recommended by a taxi driver one afternoon with a group of friends.

[QUOTE=Raimund L;1155262]It never happened to me. I have paid with Mastercard. I mean, you see the amount when you sign.[/QUOTE]It must just be me; however, every time I used any card but Amex, especially in help and 4x4, what I signed was not what I was billed. I'm anal retentive about receipts and keep all to validate statements (scan mate). I have an Brazilian Chase with 5k Real in it that I swear every month to this day I have to dispute charges on an account that the visa Debit card is destroyed and I have not been to brazil in +2 years.

Me and my Dawg were in 4x4 from open to close on my 40th about 3 Augusts ago and sessioned 3 a piece. When I went to check out they actually looked disappointed that I paid in cash.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon;1155271]This ad is from the early 1980's, I remember whenever I got in a taxi in the 1980's they would hand me a pamphlet for Aeroporto and tell me what a nice place it was and what nice girls they had. During that time I only went once to a termas recommended by a taxi driver one afternoon with a group of friends.[/QUOTE]The pamphlet says they both offer medical checkup included with the entrance. I wonder what that entailed.

I looked on GPGuia.net and it looks like they have been closed since at least Apr. 29th.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon;1155271]This ad is from the early 1980's, I remember whenever I got in a taxi in the 1980's they would hand me a pamphlet for Aeroporto and tell me what a nice place it was and what nice girls they had. During that time I only went once to a termas recommended by a taxi driver one afternoon with a group of friends.[/QUOTE]

So, were Aeroporto and 65 owned by the same group/person? If so, it may not be that great a loss for them, even if it is a (largely symbolic) loss for us mongers.

[QUOTE=Edward M;1155312]The pamphlet says they both offer medical checkup included with the entrance. I wonder what that entailed. [/QUOTE]

The girls there playing doctor, perhaps? :) ;) Before being taken down, their website advertised a barbershop and (male) masseuse. During my visit I vaguely recall the barbershop but it was behind a closed door IIRC and I didn't see anyone go in or out while I was there.

[QUOTE=Black Ceo; 1154775]Just looking to get some advice from anyone that has been to both. A buddy and I are planning a trip for early July and are trying to get some advice one way or the other. Pro's and cons and appearance in girls between the both is what we are interested in. Thanks in advance for everyones help and advice.

BCeo[/QUOTE]All of this might be a generalization, but appearance-wise you'll get more diversity in Rio. I had to struggle to find a BA working girl not of European descent although I wasn't looking all that hard.

Others have pointed out that Rio girls seem more passionate and eager. What I've found is that with proper technique (know the language, talk to the girl extensively to gauge chemistry, verify that she'll do what you want) , I got just as good a GFE from Argentinian girls as from Brazilian ones. I did have to work harder with the Argentinian ones, though.

I would like to thank everyone for their input on the question I asked regarding BA vs Rio. We are still on the fence but now leading towards Rio. Cost is not an issues and it seems as though that is the only thing BA has going for it over Rio. So in short I think we will follow the old saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it". My trip will be in July so stay tuned for my first trip report. Again thanks for all the responses.

BCeo

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1155024]I don't even trust the restauranteurs in Brasil, as I've been overcharged by them several times. I sign for so many reais, and they add on charges later. As for AMEX, I got mugged in a different country and all my cards and most of my cash was taken. Totally screwed. AMEX asked for my location so they could overnight airmail the replacement card, credited the fraudulent charge amounts back my account balance the next day, and no questions were asked. They even offered to send a cash-advance authorization to a local AMEX center so I could have cash to use until the new card arrived. MC and Visa locked my accounts until I returned multiple affidavits stating that I didn't gain anything from the charges, I don't know who made the charges, etc. MC and Visa Cards finally came to my home 2 weeks after I returned the affidavits. Priceless! Now I leave MC and Visa at home if I'm going to some scam-rich environment like Rio.[/QUOTE]Thanks Puta!

[QUOTE=Edward M;1155312]The pamphlet says they both offer medical checkup included with the entrance. I wonder what that entailed.[/QUOTE]Actually, upon reflection I'm guessing it referred to medical exams for the girls. I would have corrected my original post on this but for the 1 hour limit.

Another question regarding this pamphlet: there's a reference to a "live show." Where would they have had it? The boite seemed [i]way[/i] too tiny for such a thing.

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce; 1155297]It must just be me; however, every time I used any card but Amex, especially in help and 4x4, what I signed was not what I was billed. I'm anal retentive about receipts and keep all to validate statements (scan mate). I have an Brazilian Chase with 5k Real in it that I swear every month to this day I have to dispute charges on an account that the visa Debit card is destroyed and I have not been to brazil in +2 years.

Me and my Dawg were in 4x4 from open to close on my 40th about 3 Augusts ago and sessioned 3 a piece. When I went to check out they actually looked disappointed that I paid in cash.[/QUOTE]I didn't know they allow dogs in 4x4. Is this something new?

I've been reading quite a lot of posts and to be honest I'm totally confused. 4x4, terma, help. 502 etc.

Would appreciate if some of you experienced Rio dudes, could help by suggesting a simple weekend itinerary in Copacabana beach.

Perhaps if you only had a weekend and you were a newbie, where, what would you recommend?

Also how to get around, is it safe walking, need a taxi from a to be, late at night places to avoid.

Anyone want a cool wing (good with normal chicks but only English and Spanish speaking)? Or could suggest a guide too, that would be great. Probably safer then going around alone.

[QUOTE=Lorenzo; 1154857]After more than a decade mongering in Rio, I replaced Rio with BA as my mongering destination of first choice. This is not a permanent decision and I may reverse it sometime in the future. But for right now, Rio has priced itself out of this monger's market.

In a nutshell, the deciding factor is money. If money is no object, choose Rio, if you don't mind going home with an empty wallet. Otherwise, take a more frugal trip to BA. [/QUOTE]Lorenzo I was even looking at going to BA for a visit couple years ago, but never did it. I even joined the Argentina forum here and did some research. I know "the Dollar" goes further in BA because we currently have an exchange rate of $1USD to $4. 1AP compared to the $1. 64BR. Some of my friends have even been venturing into Colombia and loving the quality down there.

Rio will always be my first choice, but definitely will explore more this year. I am finally planning my overdue trip to Asia this year, just trying to decide between Bangkok and Manila, but Manila got the edge due to the number of my co-workers who will be down there if I go. If the dollar stabilizes and at least get back to an exchange rate of $2+, it will be good again.

[QUOTE=Londonsoul;1155688]I've been reading quite a lot of posts and to be honest I'm totally confused. 4x4, terma, help. 502 etc.
Would appreciate if some of you experienced Rio dudes, could help by suggesting a simple weekend itinerary in Copacabana beach.
Perhaps if you only had a weekend and you were a newbie, where, what would you recommend?
Also how to get around, is it safe walking, need a taxi from a to be, late at night places to avoid.
Anyone want a cool wing (good with normal chicks but only English and Spanish speaking)? Or could suggest a guide too, that would be great. Probably safer then going around alone.[/QUOTE]
I read your Sao Paulo report. You'll propably be very disappointed of Rio as well.

[quote=londonsoul; 1155688]i've been reading quite a lot of posts and to be honest i'm totally confused. 4x4, terma, help. 502 etc.

would appreciate if some of you experienced rio dudes, could help by suggesting a simple weekend itinerary in copacabana beach.

perhaps if you only had a weekend and you were a newbie, where, what would you recommend?

also how to get around, is it safe walking, need a taxi from a to be, late at night places to avoid. [/quote]for a newbie who only has a weekend, hmmmm. i think money shouldn't be an object for a 2 day maiden voyage to rio. it would be hard to overspend in such a short time. so in that case, i'd recommend just hanging out at luomo, do a session or two early in the evening, try to arrange a hookup for after closing time, then go to balcony and find one of the local pushers (look for a brasilian guy that looks out of place, he'll interview girls for you with the expectation of getting a little tip like r5-10) to help hook you up with a girl that is not too-piranha, screw her at hotel lido or your place, then circle back to luomo for your girl. t502, 4x4, etc are in centro. i don't recommend them for a first timer on a short stay.

if you're worried about safety, take a taxi everywhere. i wander about all over the city in the middle of the night on foot and have never felt at all threatened except twice. first due to a small pack of feral dogs attacking at largo de são francisco de paula. since i couldn't out-run them, i turned and ran toward them, and they decided to turn and ran away. second time was at praça da bandeira outside vm at about 3 in the morning when i was being bothered by some really aggressive street beggars at the bus stop. then i woke a taxista and off i went in the cab, the favelados didn't feeling like pursuing me to the taxi stand. dress down and walk like you know where you are going, even if you're lost. i feel the real risk in rio is getting hit by a car, cause the drivers almost aim for the pedestrian. i was almost hit once in copa (muito obrigado to isg's acenva for grabbing my arm and keeping me from walking in front of some crazy ass brasileioro turning off ave atlantica at hi speed. 6/2010, pp almost rip) and another time at the blind curve of ave passos intersecting with rua da carioca where i came within less than a half-meter from death. woosh! that said, i felt my mortality and was very base the rest of that day. doing things i wouldn't normally do, and very appreciative of the opportunities there in rio for good food and good sex vs the alternatives, and of course celebrated by doing unwise things. enjoyed a dinner at marius leme, barebacked a puta, then got drunk and passed out in the hotel. made me think my chances of my being a withered old man, drooling in my oatmeal and thinking of these soft, slim, scented, painted, willing putas in my younger days is not very likely, unless i make damn sure that there is no possibility of any driver being in the vicinity of me when i'm crossing the street in rio. brasil drivers license = license to kill. ;)

[QUOTE=Londonsoul; 1155688]I've been reading quite a lot of posts and to be honest I'm totally confused. 4x4, terma, help. 502 etc.

Would appreciate if some of you experienced Rio dudes, could help by suggesting a simple weekend itinerary in Copacabana beach.

Perhaps if you only had a weekend and you were a newbie, where, what would you recommend?

Also how to get around, is it safe walking, need a taxi from a to be, late at night places to avoid.

Anyone want a cool wing (good with normal chicks but only English and Spanish speaking)? Or could suggest a guide too, that would be great. Probably safer then going around alone. [/QUOTE]Read BubbaBoy's amazing guide. I believe the update is in this thread:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2191-Bubba-Boy-s-Rio-Guide[/url]

Also, read the Links To Reports of Distinction thread on the main Brazil forums page.

For a weekend in Copa, you are a bit SOL. Monte Carlo is open on Saturday not Sunday this time of year, and I'd recommend it over L'Uomo for a first time visitor these days. If you have success with a girl at MC, you might get her to agree to meet you on Sunday (or go home with you Sat night after she gets off work). You can try L'Uomo on Sat as well as Sunday I believe. I think Solarium. R$20 taxi ride away in Jardim Botanico. Also is still open both Sat / Sun. I don't suggest Centaurus if you are put off by higher prices (R$400+ for 40 mins).

The downtown termas (Centro) are closed on weekends. Some privates are open on Sat day but again not Copa and not best for a first-timer.

Bubba's guide is the bomb.

You should be perfectly safe walking around Copa during the day. At night, just feel safer and take a cab.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1156092]You can try L'Uomo on Sat as well as Sunday I believe.

The downtown termas (Centro) are closed on weekends. Some privates are open on Sat day but again not Copa and not best for a first-timer.

You should be perfectly safe walking around Copa during the day. At night, just feel safer and take a cab. [/QUOTE]Yes, Luomo for Sundays. Or Balcony. Or Barbarella if you are a rich guy. Not sure how comfortable you are with navigating public transit and the low-end side of things. If you are so inclined, or just want to earn your Rio stripes, take the Metro to São Cristóvão station and follow Sperto's map to VM. Cheap banging, down and dirty mongering. Almost always covered BJ and definitely CFS. Safest sex in Rio, despite the unsanitary conditions of the facilities. I think the only things taking CIM there are the cockroaches who clean the floors.

It's also possible to find Sunday action at Praça Mauá at the tables outside Bar Florida but 90% of it is totally undoable. If you see a tall blond. 30something probably chatting with her local friends at a table, yell 'Bella' and see if she turns around. I've screwed her 3 or 4 times and can say the girl is a real pervert and tries hard to be nasty. Which is why I've screwed her 3 or 4 times! All that said, fly in a day earlier and do Rio on Friday and Sat instead, if at all possible. Otherwise, Sunday is your day for tourism, imo. Ride the 583 onibus from Av Nossa Senhora de Copacabana to the base of Corcovado, ride the tram up and see Cristo in the morning, take a cab to a nice lunch somewhere like Marius Leme or Porcao Rios, then head over to Luomo for an earlybird special with no entrada. Then Balcony. Then, retrieve your prearrnaged Luomo girl or whatever.

The only guidelines are is 'if a puta's mouth is moving, she is lying.' , never pay up front, if they are not providing what you want cut the session short and ask for an alternate, or kick the girl out the the room with R35 cab fare, and remember that the Brasil minimum wage is about R600 per MONTH so do sanity checks on what freelancers are asking for. So don't pay over half that for all night with a freelancer, no matter how good it seems. Or Oxum will curse you forever. :) Have fun!

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1154309]Almost everyone I talk to in PM seems to DATY as well. I've DATY'ed 85% all over town at high volume places like VM, BA85, Bel Prazer, Bar 22, Lazer 13, Florida and tested clean for every STI. And done the same in low end brothels in other countries where girls are less 'safe'. I'm not sure how that happens, as I was expecting + for something, but take it for what it's worth and bom apetite![/QUOTE]It's interesting you say this, PP, because I must have DATY'd thousands of GDPs in my mongering career (spanning 27 years) without catching anything. I believe it's something to do with the germ killing properties of saliva.

After some months I came back to Rio. I visit Brasil 3 or 4 times per year but last time it was not possible to visit "a cidade maravilhosa", the wonderful city. I found it safer and more expensive. Police is present in Copacabana and Ipanema all the time but prices of everything have gone up sharply, also because Brazilian Real is stronger.

I decided to visit Monte Carlo in Copacabana, close to the beach. Time was 5:00 PM but no discount this time arriving before 7:00 PM. That practice is over, the recepcionist told me this time. I was directly to the second floor to see the girls and the team was very good. Just a few men and about 20 nice girls (from 5 to 9). After 15 minutes of watching the situation, saying kindly no to some approaching girls, I chose Heloa, a 19 years blond and tall girl. Perfect body, incredible "bumbum", small but beautiful tits. She was very nice and did not press me to go to the cabine. So I invite her for a juice and I decided to enter into action for one hour. The total cost of entrance, drinks and one hour of FS was 210 Euro (about 480 R$ paying wih Credit card, including the usual extra charge). Heloa was almost a GFE. She started with BBBJ, FYV. 69, different positions. She made me believe she was enjoying a lot. DATY, DS and Greek. One of my best experiences with pros. She was nice, lovely and a great lover. Very reccommendable girl. She does not speak english at all, same that the majority of girls there. I speak portuguese and it was easier but I do not think there will be any problem with only english. Some things are international understanding!

I was a couple of times in Balcony. Low level average but always there are good opportunities with some free lancers. Many "gringos" in the area, which I do not like. Girsl asked for huge prices and negotiation is a must. Otherwise, adding girl, motel, drinks, taxi. Even Monte Carlo will be cheaper.

The problem with BA is the exchange rate is great, but the girls quote in dollars. 4 to 1 is awesome for food and hotel, but they want 200 us at the high end places like maradona and blacks. If they were 200 pesos, it would be a good deal. Then the girl has to be back at the club in a hour. If you want more time, its even more expensive. Its a real pain in the ass. BA could be better than Rio if they set it up right, but its just too much of a hustle. Its like Barbs in Rio. The girls at the high end places in BA are very attractive. I saw some real KO at maradonas back when I went. BA is one place that would do great with a Help type club.

Thanks for the info that's great.

I just found out that my hotel was not confirmed. Yikes!

Can you suggest a good reasonably priced hotel to stay in?

[QUOTE=Londonsoul; 1156512]Thanks for the info that's great.

I just found out that my hotel was not confirmed. Yikes!

Can you suggest a good reasonably priced hotel to stay in? [/QUOTE]Premier Copacabana or Copacabana Atlantico. You can find more info in the hotels thread.

Seized during a raid on a Termas 502 training camp? Or maybe jantar break at the Club Florida employee daycare? Or just what putas are doing during the 'family time' that they take off on Sundays? ;)

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JXvS7yy7N8[/url]

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1156561]Seized during a raid on a Termas 502 training camp? Or maybe jantar break at the Club Florida employee daycare? Or just what putas are doing during the 'family time' that they take off on Sundays? .

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JXvS7yy7N8[/url][/QUOTE]Ahhhh. The Circle of Life!

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1156561]Seized during a raid on a Termas 502 training camp? Or maybe jantar break at the Club Florida employee daycare? Or just what putas are doing during the 'family time' that they take off on Sundays? .

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JXvS7yy7N8[/url][/QUOTE]Where's my best chance of finding hotties like this? Mc. 4x4, l'umno?

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1156561]Seized during a raid on a Termas 502 training camp? Or maybe jantar break at the Club Florida employee daycare? Or just what putas are doing during the 'family time' that they take off on Sundays? .

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JXvS7yy7N8[/url][/QUOTE]U have got to appreciate the culture! :)

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1156806]Where's my best chance of finding hotties like this? Mc. 4x4, l'umno?[/QUOTE]In the favelas.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1156911]In the favelas.[/QUOTE]Yes, based on his response to my post I can tell that he already has keen observational skills and has done his homework. No need to try to pick up these types of young moms at the [i]Club Florida[/i] daycare or anything like that...I am sure he could probably score big time in the favelas, with chicks like this for free. He just needs a cab to a pussy-rich environment like Vila Cruzeiro or Jacarezinho, etc. Walk around for a bit, wink at the girls, smack asses once in a while and let the fun begin!!! After all, girls in Rio just like to screw gringos and it's rare for them to expect compensation. Most people don't do things like offer money, or Victoria's Secret stuff, or dinners. That's what makes Rio so great and what makes Brasilian women famous, above the equator, for being exotic and totally willing sex partners who just like to fuck, for the sake of fucking and don't want any gain from it. This is why gringos all over the world hear of this wonderful situation in Rio and want to fly far, at great cost, to come take a cab to places like Vila Cruzeiro or Jacarezinho to find and screw these free girls.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1156942]Yes, based on his response to my post I can tell that he already has keen observational skills and has done his homework. No need to try to pick up these types of young moms at the [i]Club Florida[/i] daycare or anything like that...I am sure he could probably score big time in the favelas, with chicks like this for free. He just needs a cab to a pussy-rich environment like Vila Cruzeiro or Jacarezinho, etc. Walk around for a bit, wink at the girls, smack asses once in a while and let the fun begin!!! After all, girls in Rio just like to screw gringos and it's rare for them to expect compensation. Most people don't do things like offer money, or Victoria's Secret stuff, or dinners. That's what makes Rio so great and what makes Brasilian women famous, above the equator, for being exotic and totally willing sex partners who just like to fuck, for the sake of fucking and don't want any gain from it. This is why gringos all over the world hear of this wonderful situation in Rio and want to fly far, at great cost, to come take a cab to places like Vila Cruzeiro or Jacarezinho to find and screw these free girls.[/QUOTE]Are Vila Cruzeiro or Jacarezinho safe places for a first time gringo by himself to go to?

Also, is there bride services for gringos that want to marry a Brazilian in Rio or any thing like that?

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1157067]Are Vila Cruzeiro or Jacarezinho safe places for a first time gringo by himself to go to?[/QUOTE]Of course it is safe. Didn't you see Fast 5?

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1157176]Also, is there bride services for gringos that want to marry a Brazilian in Rio or any thing like that?[/QUOTE]Yes, if you join ISG as a full member you can send private messages to other members like Brazil Specialist that can provide that service and introduce you to some girls who would love to meet a guy like you.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1157067]Are Vila Cruzeiro or Jacarezinho safe places for a first time gringo by himself to go to?[/QUOTE]Jacarezinho isn't.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1157218]Yes, if you join ISG as a full member you can send private messages to other members like Brazil Specialist that can provide that service and introduce you to some girls who would love to meet a guy like you.[/QUOTE]Where would I find the specialist on this site? I already joined ISG. I'm not that computer literate but I tried to search and couldn't find anything. Any info would help

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1157448]Where would I find the specialist on this site? I already joined ISG. I'm not that computer literate but I tried to search and couldn't find anything. Any info would help[/QUOTE]Hey Guy,

If you thinking of conquering Rio in one trip its not going to happen. The first trip with all the pretty young ladies is going to throw you off any plans either well intentioned or not. My best advice is DO NOT GO ADVENTURING YOUR FIRST TRIP. Pick a nice safe brand name hotel and selectively pick places from Bubbas and Spertos Guide that they themselves say are not that shady.

Until you get a feel of the culture its not safe for you to bring a GDP back to your room. Get you legs under you and the rest will flow. The more locals and Mongers you meet the more you will find the ebs and flows of rio. You will still have a great time and meet some chicks you may think you want to marry (don't Do it) Let the city come to you. You cant plan out a Picaso and you damn sure cant plan out Rio. 4x4 and Monte Carlo are going to throw you for a loop all by themselves as the sheer volume of sexy big bundas. That video does not even begin to illustrate the number of sexy Mulattas you will find.

Thats my advice cause its hard to have a bad time in Rio. I just think your over planning.. Good luck to you..Here are a couple of services for you and another map.

[url]http://www.latineuro.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.amolatina.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.brazilcupid.com/[/url]

Be real careful. Most are chaulked full of x GDP workers.

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce;1157574]Thats my advice cause its hard to have a bad time in Rio. I just think your over planning.[/QUOTE]Best to do plenty of planning, I think. Study the map, study the hours of operation, learn the transit systems, read a least a year of Reports of Distinction. A good trip is built on preparation and having intelligence about where you are going. I recommend against a first timer wandering into most Sperto's list hangouts. They are mainly low end locals places and most vacationers wouldn't like them, or know what behavior is expected. Definitely not a places for a guy who thinks he might fall in love in Rio.

If I was going to look for a mate in Rio as he suggested, first I'd ask myself why, and ask again to make sure, and if I justified looking for a Brasilian girl vs one from my own culture and background, I'd try to meet a Carioca girl in a mall or somewhere. An esteemed member here met his girlfriend whilst walking down the street outside his dentist office, and having spoken to her in person I can confirm that she is as wild as any GDP and looks to match. So best for a first timer to look for pussy in Copa and his get his Romeo on in the streets of someplace like Barra or Flamengo if he must, and avoid the wanton cheap hos in places in Centro/Norte. The gentleman's observation skills may need to be refined prior to visiting Rio, based on the response to my youtube link post. I'd hate to see him falling for a Centro girl that has a loose arsehole and sucks sperm all day long for cheap. These girls must represent the high school sluts of Brasil, who graduate and had nothing better to do. Some guys have that propensity, to fall for girls based on them being likeminded, me included. But the GDP's are out of control to the point of living an unhealthy lifestyle. Even the hardcore mongers like from the Partytreff thread or the guys who live in Patts or AC, don't act out as much as the Rio GDP's. Then a Romeo comes to town, and finds himself banging putas because he can't swing enough Porto to find his love, and then falls for the putas and it ends badly. I'd go a step further and say that guys looking for love in Rio, should not visit Rio. Probably they'd leave with bad feelings about the Marvelous City.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1157641]Best to do plenty of planning, I think. Study the map, study the hours of operation, learn the transit systems, read a least a year of Reports of Distinction. A good trip is built on preparation and having intelligence about where you are going. I recommend against a first timer wandering into most Sperto's list hangouts. They are mainly low end locals places and most vacationers wouldn't like them, or know what behavior is expected. Definitely not a places for a guy who thinks he might fall in love in Rio.

If I was going to look for a mate in Rio as he suggested, first I'd ask myself why, and ask again to make sure, and if I justified looking for a Brasilian girl vs one from my own culture and background, I'd try to meet a Carioca girl in a mall or somewhere. An esteemed member here met his girlfriend whilst walking down the street outside his dentist office, and having spoken to her in person I can confirm that she is as wild as any GDP and looks to match. So best for a first timer to look for pussy in Copa and his get his Romeo on in the streets of someplace like Barra or Flamengo if he must, and avoid the wanton cheap hos in places in Centro / Norte. The gentleman's observation skills may need to be refined prior to visiting Rio, based on the response to my youtube link post. I'd hate to see him falling for a Centro girl that has a loose arsehole and sucks sperm all day long for cheap. These girls must represent the high school sluts of Brasil, who graduate and had nothing better to do. Some guys have that propensity, to fall for girls based on them being likeminded, me included. But the GDP's are out of control to the point of living an unhealthy lifestyle. Even the hardcore mongers like from the Partytreff thread or the guys who live in Patts or AC, don't act out as much as the Rio GDP's. Then a Romeo comes to town, and finds himself banging putas because he can't swing enough Porto to find his love, and then falls for the putas and it ends badly. I'd go a step further and say that guys looking for love in Rio, should not visit Rio. Probably they'd leave with bad feelings about the Marvelous City. [/QUOTE]I agree to a point. However, I think this kid has read every line of this forum, bubbas guide and Spertos. If he is fawning over a youtube video in a lurched heat, he aint going to make it ten minutes in a terma before he is in love.

Besides, I like sluts.

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce; 1157708]I agree to a point. However, I think this kid has read every line of this forum, bubbas guide and Spertos. If he is fawning over a youtube video in a lurched heat, he aint going to make it ten minutes in a terma before he is in love.

Besides, I like sluts. [/QUOTE]He's going to have his mind blown. He'll be like a dog in heat! Where do I go? Who do I choose? What is she doing to me! All I will say is be careful and have a lot of fun. You WILL have a lot of fun The forum contains a lot of very good advice (re saftey, prices and how to spot ripoffs). Let us know how you get on.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;1157733]He's going to have his mind blown. He'll be like a dog in heat! Where do I go? Who do I choose? What is she doing to me! All I will say is be careful and have a lot of fun. You WILL have a lot of fun The forum contains a lot of very good advice (re saftey, prices and how to spot ripoffs). Let us know how you get on.[/QUOTE]I'm not the kid about whom Torgoch wrote, but I am making my first trip to Rio next week. I've done my fair share of reading but, of course, there is no substitute for boots on the ground, so to speak. I've got a simple question: What is the best kind of clothes to wear where you will be comfortable and "not out of place" so to speak. And, I'm so appreciative of the many contributions from those who have been there (or live there) and provided so much information. I hope to contribute.

My hope is that we all enjoy only good energy.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;1157733]He's going to have his mind blown. He'll be like a dog in heat! Where do I go? Who do I choose? What is she doing to me![/QUOTE]That is not saying much. I have been going there for 10 years and went to school there and I'm still that way.

Simple slacks or jeans (No shorts even in the summer) , knit shirt with a collar and decent sneakers will keep you from standing out as a tourist when you are out and about. To carry your stuff a smalll backpack will do the trick. Try not to have really recognizable brands that will call the attention of the locals in your directiion. Definitely don't walk around wearing bling, you might as well walk around with money hanging out of your pockets because some clown may want to take a shot. It is just like any big city anywhere: Beware of your sorroundings, have a plan, don't go anywhere staggering drunk and you will do fine. Act like you know what you are doing and no one should bother you even if you don't really know what you are doing. Does that make sense? Above all, have a great time.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1157803]I'm not the kid about whom Torgoch wrote, but I am making my first trip to Rio next week. I've done my fair share of reading but, of course, there is no substitute for boots on the ground, so to speak. I've got a simple question: What is the best kind of clothes to wear where you will be comfortable and "not out of place" so to speak. And, I'm so appreciative of the many contributions from those who have been there (or live there) and provided so much information. I hope to contribute.

My hope is that we all enjoy only good energy. [/QUOTE]

Thanks alex duce, puta playa, and the rest thanks for the info. Just to clear something up, I was inquiring about the marriage thing for me in about 10 years! I'm only 31 and I just wanted some info on it when I ready to marry if I ever do LOL. There aint no way in hell ill ever marry a gdp, I want a 18 year old virgin, if these is such a thing in brazil. Anyways, I guess ill just stick to the maps and bubba guide for my first trip since ill be alone and hopefully try to find a non pro for some freebees. BTW, where is a safe place where I can pick up on some non working girls? And alex I alomst done with reading this entire forum! LOL

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1156176]Yes, Luomo for Sundays. Or Balcony. Or Barbarella if you are a rich guy.

1. Follow Sperto's map to VM. Cheap banging, down and dirty mongering. . Safest sex in Rio.

2. It's also possible to find Sunday action at Praça Mauá at the tables outside Bar Florida but 90% of it is totally undoable.

3. Fly in a day earlier and do Rio on Friday and Sat instead, if at all possible. Otherwise, Sunday is your day for tourism, imo. Ride the 583 onibus from Av Nossa Senhora de Copacabana to the base of Corcovado, ride the tram up and see Cristo in the morning, take a cab to a nice lunch somewhere like Marius Leme or Porcao Rios, then head over to Luomo for an earlybird special with no entrada.

The only guidelines are is 'if a puta's mouth is moving, she is lying. ', never pay up front, if they are not providing what you want cut the session short and ask for an alternate, or kick the girl out the the room with R35 cab fare, and remember that the Brasil minimum wage is about R600 per MONTH so do sanity checks on what freelancers are asking for. ]

Thanks senor, great perfect post.

Any suggestions for sao apulo and manaus?

If you need anythhing on Tijuana MX, let me know.

Gracias por todo eh!

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[QUOTE=Legal Tender;1157803]I've got a simple question: What is the best kind of clothes to wear where you will be comfortable and "not out of place" so to speak. .[/QUOTE]I wear jeans, t-shirt or button-up and casual shoes kind of like Skecher Talus. Works everywhere from Copa to Lapa to Vila Mimosa. I wouldn't carry a pack. I know some guys travel with a DSLR camera, dildos, buttplugs, Victoria's Secret lotions for girls, even towels! I recommend just getting a small camera, pack of rubbers, stash your money in your front pockets, leave the credit/atm cards in the hotel safe.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;1157733]He's going to have his mind blown. He'll be like a dog in heat! Where do I go? Who do I choose? What is she doing to me! [/QUOTE]

Yeah, almost everyone is impressed. My first Brasil experience was magical, but in Sampa not Rio. That last question is the reason..cause the girls can make you wonder what they are going to do, and why. Sometimes a cold aloof girl goes on the attack GFE when you get alone, or a hot horny acting girl turns out to be shitty, or a girl takes a liking to you and does special stuff or comes over to your place. Or girls will try preposterous things. One time in VM, I'd just finished fucking a girl and was putting my clothes on. A totally different girl came in, blocked the door and insisted that I owed her money because she'd fucked me...must have thought I was drunk or stupid. I just laughed and pushed through the door. #2 weird thing, after the Muslim freelance girl in JKT that was outside my hotel room screaming at 4 AM that I'd tried to defile her body and owed her some outrageous cab fare. We didn't have sex. 'Defile' means I mentioned the idea of pictures and she flipped out. 10 more minutes and she would have have an infidel reaming her ass by choice, so whats the big deal. GPs are crazy no matter what city you are in. The ones in Rio are just crazy in a friendlier sort of way. I think they feel okay about what they do, and aren't afraid to let their guard down and act normal once in a while. Sometimes Rio GP's want to tell you their life story, and although only half of it can be believed, at least they like to talk vs just being sex automatons.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1157904]BTW, where is a safe place where I can pick up on some non working girls? [/QUOTE] The bars in Lapa. Best to bang a few GPs during the day and evening, then it's zero pressure when you go to Lapa.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1157837]That is not saying much. I have been going there for 10 years and went to school there and I'm still that way.[/QUOTE]Fair point Mr E! But the first time you encounter the brasileira (for me the definition of sexiness, horniness and sexual prowess once warmed up) , is a very special moment! And after that there is no looking back. You are hooked.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1157904]Thanks alex duce, puta playa, and the rest thanks for the info. Just to clear something up, I was inquiring about the marriage thing for me in about 10 years! I'm only 31 and I just wanted some info on it when I ready to marry if I ever do LOL. There aint no way in hell ill ever marry a gdp, I want a 18 year old virgin, if these is such a thing in brazil. Anyways, I guess ill just stick to the maps and bubba guide for my first trip since ill be alone and hopefully try to find a non pro for some freebees. BTW, where is a safe place where I can pick up on some non working girls? And alex I alomst done with reading this entire forum! LOL[/QUOTE]Picking up some non working girls: I'd suggest a shopping mall, like Rio Sul, during the daytime. In the evening try the bars and night clubs in Ipanema and Leblon. I have scored in both places, repeatedly. But I have also come to the conclusion that the effort and the inevitable drama that follows are not worth it. Plus, with a non-working girl there is absolutely no guarantee that you will get laid on the first date. With only a few precious days in Rio I would not want one wasted on chasing a non-pro. Brazilian girls are not falling all over themselves to hump a gringo; if they do, you know that they are likely GDPs. Bottom line: Renting works so much better than leasing, if you get my drift.

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Okay. Hopefully someone can help me out here. I have been to Rio several times and believe me it sets the bar way high. I have familiar chicas I can hook up with and I am obviously a veteran when it comes to places to go. I am debating on whether to consider Medellin or Sosua this weekend or default to the old faithful Paradise. I have never been to the two aforementioned cities and I am curious to know which place would someone that has been to all three pick for this weekend? I really appreciate a prompt credible response! Thanks in advance!

You can't go wrong with any of them but I would pick Medellin. In my humble opioion MED is the next best place to Rio. You can find good quality girls for really cheap. Stay at the Casa Blanca since it is your first time. Greg, oyd and Robert will show you the ropes.

[QUOTE=MtdaRioLeo;1158978]Okay. Hopefully someone can help me out here. I have been to Rio several times and believe me it sets the bar way high. I have familiar chicas I can hook up with and I am obviously a veteran when it comes to places to go. I am debating on whether to consider Medellin or Sosua this weekend or default to the old faithful Paradise. I have never been to the two aforementioned cities and I am curious to know which place would someone that has been to all three pick for this weekend? I really appreciate a prompt credible response! Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JayHighFive;1158982]You can't go wrong with any of them but I would pick Medellin. In my humble opioion MED is the next best place to Rio. You can find good quality girls for really cheap. Stay at the Casa Blanca since it is your first time. Greg, oyd and Robert will show you the ropes.[/QUOTE]I heard they have casas that are similar to the termas in Rio. What's your rating? Do Greg or Robert arrange airport transpo or do you just have to cross your fingers with a cab?

[QUOTE=MtdaRioLeo;1158985]I heard they have casas that are similar to the termas in Rio. What's your rating? Do Greg or Robert arrange airport transpo or do you just have to cross your fingers with a cab?[/QUOTE]I wouldn't go to Sosua. I once went there two weeks after Medellin Feria and it felt like

I got kicked in the balls by NFL kicker.

If you can afford it stick to Rio unless you want to see new places.

Sosua is Margaritaville but quality isn't that good.

Medellin quality of working chicas has also taken a digger in last 4 years or so.

Been 25 times DR and Colombia in last 3 years.

Thanks fellow mongerers! Keep the feedback coming. I'm going to make a decision in the next hour. It appears with all the "crackdown" action in Sosua. That's more risk than reward. I like termas be / see at least the well established ones the girls have to get tested. Do they have the same compliance in MDE?

[QUOTE=MtdaRioLeo;1158985]I heard they have casas that are similar to the termas in Rio. What's your rating? Do Greg or Robert arrange airport transpo or do you just have to cross your fingers with a cab?[/QUOTE]Medellin casas similar to Rio termas? Not even close.

The casas in Medellin are a simple, enter, see a line-up, choose and go.

Good value, but not where you're going to hang out all day and relax and enjoy.

And Yes, you can have those guys, through their secretary, set up airport pickup.

[QUOTE=MtdaRioLeo;1158985]I heard they have casas that are similar to the termas in Rio. What's your rating? Do Greg or Robert arrange airport transpo or do you just have to cross your fingers with a cab?[/QUOTE]Just FYI. Robert is a great guy, classy guy that will help out in any situation. Greg on the other hand basically just creates problems for Robert to fix! Yes the house they operate are worth staying at. MDE is probably in the top 5 of destinations in Latin America, maybe top 3!

1. Rio.

2. Buenos Aires.

3. Medellin!

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1159224]Just FYI. Robert is a great guy, classy guy that will help out in any situation. Greg on the other hand basically just creates problems for Robert to fix! Yes the house they operate are worth staying at. MDE is probably in the top 5 of destinations in Latin America, maybe top 3!

1. Rio.

2. Buenos Aires.

3. Medellin! [/QUOTE]Yep, Robert is a good friend of mine, great guy!

Boyd is back too. He's the other partner. Helpful as well.

My top picks:

1. Sao Paulo.

2. Rio.

3. Medellin.

4. Cartagena.

5. The rest of Colombia.

6. The DR.

7. BA Argentina.

6. BA Argentina

Hit Termas Cancun on Rua Carno (sp?) tonight in Centro. Hadn't been there in about 3-4 months. Always like to have dinner nearby on the square up the street, always good. Was there with Churroman who, true to his name, consumed 3 churros today. That I know about.

Anyway, got to Cancun around 8. 45pm. Boate had a live guitar / drums duo playing Braz songs, not bad. Trouble was the 30 guys to 18 girls ratio. All Braz guys, standing around in robes drinking. Not really one hottie in the bunch of girls. Waited about 30 mins to see any change, and left. Whiskeria downstairs did appear fuller but we didn't take a look.

Entrada was only R$30. I couldn't tell if that was a special or normal these days at Cancun. Whiskeria was R$20 entada counted towards consumption.

Pretty bummed overall as I've had some luck at Cancun in the distant past.

-Cartman

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1159715]Hit Termas Cancun on Rua Carno (sp?) tonight in Centro. Hadn't been there in about 3-4 months. Always like to have dinner nearby on the square up the street, always good. Was there with Churroman who, true to his name, consumed 3 churros today. That I know about.

Anyway, got to Cancun around 8. 45pm. Boate had a live guitar / drums duo playing Braz songs, not bad. Trouble was the 30 guys to 18 girls ratio. All Braz guys, standing around in robes drinking. Not really one hottie in the bunch of girls. Waited about 30 mins to see any change, and left. Whiskeria downstairs did appear fuller but we didn't take a look.

Entrada was only R$30. I couldn't tell if that was a special or normal these days at Cancun. Whiskeria was R$20 entada counted towards consumption.

Pretty bummed overall as I've had some luck at Cancun in the distant past.

-Cartman[/QUOTE]I can never work out the entrance at this place. Sometimes it is R$30, sometimes it is R$50, sometimes includes consumption, sometimes not. Very Brazilian way to price things!

Off topic. Sorry folks!

Can anyone suggest a good sportsbar or just a good place in Rio / Copacabana to watch tomorrows final?

[QUOTE=Theodorx; 1159886]Off topic. Sorry folks!

Can anyone suggest a good sportsbar or just a good place in Rio / Copacabana to watch tomorrows final? [/QUOTE]You might try Shenanigans Irish Pub it is in Ipanema on Rua Visconde de Pirajá.112a

[QUOTE=Theodorx; 1159886]Off topic. Sorry folks!

Can anyone suggest a good sportsbar or just a good place in Rio / Copacabana to watch tomorrows final? [/QUOTE]This bar has a few flat screens. Good food and good atmosphere.

Sonny.

[url]http://www.bananajack.com.br/[/url]

For those of you who make regular trips to Rio, be sure to arrange your lodging early. Unlike in the past, it is not that easy to find apartments or even hotel rooms these days. Many short-term rentals are now being rented monthly and have been taken off the temporary rental market. Budget hotels no longer qualify as budget and even they have limited availability.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1159715]Anyway, got to Cancun around 8. 45pm. Boate had a live guitar / drums duo playing Braz songs, not bad. Trouble was the 30 guys to 18 girls ratio. All Braz guys, standing around in robes drinking. Not really one hottie in the bunch of girls. Waited about 30 mins to see any change, and left. Whiskeria downstairs did appear fuller but we didn't take a look.

Entrada was only R$30. I couldn't tell if that was a special or normal these days at Cancun. Whiskeria was R$20 entada counted towards consumption.

Pretty bummed overall as I've had some luck at Cancun in the distant past.

-Cartman[/QUOTE]I was in Rio and went to Cancun 13-23 April, and the action was the same as you explained it. I did get one girl who approached me who had lil to sign language english ability. I took her because there were so many Brazil there as if they were having a private party. I took the girl and we had a long wait for a room. Once we got in she was great but a little new and timid. I liked it because it gave a nonpro air. I was satisfied with BBBJ, great pussy fuck, but she couldn't quit get my dick in her ass. But the pussy positions were great. She had nice tits, dark hair, hazel eyes, and was naturally round in the right places. She took the cum shot on her tits.

After she gave me her number, but she didn't return to the bar. Suddenly an english speaking, tall black dark afro wearing garoata started stalking me but I was done, sort of running from her. But we chatted and I told her I was done. But I did get her to give me her number. Then she asked if I wanted to eat after, since Cancun was about to close. She suggested I met her at the McDonalds on Rus Branco. I got there and waited and she arrived in 20 minutes and we rode a taxi to Lapa. It was a Wednesday night or Thursday morning. We at and took a taxi to my place near Belforte Roxo and Copacabana. Got to my place a 3am. She showered and when I showered she fell a sleep on my couch. Fuck. So I went to bed. All doors were locked, and the keys, money, credit cards and valuables were hidden. Plus usually tema girls are not as risky as other Rio gdp. When I a woke she was in bed with be in a spooning position with no panties on and I had a morning woody. Reach and got a condom and slipped it on and entered her. I can get a hint. We fucked for a long time. But She had FAKE tits. I hate fake tits. But she had everything eles nice, especially the bunda.

When it was all said and done she left before noon for she had to go home to Flamingo and get ready for school and work. Besides food and drink in Lapa, I gave her R$30 cab fare. Tchau. She's now my friend on orkut.

I swear, these girls must think we Americans are idiots! I had a GDP beg me to bring her a laptop because the one she had died. I told her "No problem! Send me 500 bucks and I will pick out a good one for you and carry it to brasil with me in July! I will even bring you the receipt so you will know I am not trying to make any money off of you!" This b*tch had the nerve to get upset and say "I can't believe you do not trust me! I will give you the money once you get here!"

I explained to her that I know at least 8 Americans who had brought things to Rio for the Brasilians to then claim that they didn't have the money or that they wanted a discount. Now mind you, this girl just came back from 3 months in Europe, so I am sure she made a boat load of euros while she was there and here she was complaining about sending me a lousy 500 dollars!

I explained to her that "You need to understand one thing, I am doing your ass a favor! I'm not getting anything out of this! I am helping you save alot of money because that laptop would cost you alot more money in Brasil! So either send me the money first, or call some other bobo to bring it down for you!" She proceeded to curse me out and say she didn't want my help! Man, these girls are so unappreciative!

[QUOTE=Bravo; 1160598]I swear, these girls must think we Americans are idiots! I had a GDP beg me to bring her a laptop because the one she had died. I told her "No problem! Send me 500 bucks and I will pick out a good one for you and carry it to brasil with me in July!

I explained to her that "You need to understand one thing, I am doing your ass a favor! I'm not getting anything out of this! I am helping you save alot of money because that laptop would cost you alot more money in Brasil! So either send me the money first, or call some other bobo to bring it down for you!" She proceeded to curse me out and say she didn't want my help! Man, these girls are so unappreciative! [/QUOTE]I can understand the GDP not wanting to trust a gringo monger with 500 US of her money. I doubt these girls trust any man. I think it's unfounded though. Most international-traveling mongers that I've met are really fine people, the kind of people that are highly regarded in their professional and personal lives outside the mongering scene. But the girls don't know the difference between classier gringos, and the favelados that they are used to. All the same to them, so I wouldn't expect or extend trust from / to these girls.

In the case that you had brought one and she couldn't pay you, couldn't you could return it to Best Buy or whatever unopened when you get home, or take alternate forms of payment from her and her friends before giving it to her. 500 US is a lot of pussy, but pussy in Rio adds up to 500 fast, and she's well motivated to hook you up with some crazy girls and crazy times to get that laptop so I would rethink it.

As Brasilians start to want more foreign goods, maybe they will realize how the govt is fucking them dry with the import tariffs that are passed on to the consumer, and demand that the protectionist tariffs are reduced. Until then, we can try to take advantage of their backwards system by bringing in simple things duty-free, and reaping the benefits of that favor. I've never brought in things for girls, but I always get requests from Brasilian business associates for oddball items from the US. They order online and have it shipped to me, then I bring it and they are eternally grateful. Some wise-guys will give work contracts to foreigners contingent on those foreigners meeting with them in Brasil so many times. This is because they want the gringos to bring in duty-free items for their personal use each time. So if you play along, they are eager to contract with you again because they have a whole list of thing they want duty-free. And you get to monger each time, with the travel paid by their company. It's a wonderful thing. I've never had to pay my own airfare to Brasil, as Brasileiros see to it that their company pays for it, so they can get something duty free from my suitcase! And it's all legal! As the Brasilian cultural trainers say, in BR it's all about personal relationships. Bringing duty free is part of that. In my experience, if you bring some duty free stuff and speak some Porto, you become regarded as one of the good gringos.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1160631]I can understand the GDP not wanting to trust a gringo monger with 500 US of her money. I doubt these girls trust any man. I think it's unfounded though. Most international-traveling mongers that I've met are really fine people, the kind of people that are highly regarded in their professional and personal lives outside the mongering scene. But the girls don't know the difference between classier gringos, and the favelados that they are used to. All the same to them, so I wouldn't expect or extend trust from / to these girls.

[/QUOTE]PutaPlaya you are right, but in this case, this young lady and I have a history. We have known each other for over 10 years! MANY times I have given her money to help her with her bills or save her from some emergency or another. I didn't even fuck or get a BJ, I did it to help her and her family. After a few years of being "Mr Nice Guy", I started to feel like a sucker, especialy when I would read the board and see guys who demand a programma for 2 bottles of VS creme. LOL!

I mean I could have told her,"My price for bringing it to brasil, is a programma, plus the money for the computer". However, I told her I didn't even want one centavo of her money. This be*tch didn't even appreciate it! I swear if somone I knew / trusted said they could get me a 65inch Samsung for 1000 bucks instead of the 3500 I see at Best Buy, I would fall all over myself with appreciation! Its like they expect you to do favors for them with nothing in return!

[QUOTE=Bravo;1160638]Its like they expect you to do favors for them with nothing in return![/QUOTE]Far from all, but many brazilians are very ungrateful. You can give them a nice gift and not even get a "Thank you" in return.
[QUOTE=Bravo;1160638]After a few years of being "Mr Nice Guy", I started to feel like a sucker, especialy when I would read the board and see guys who demand a programma for 2 bottles of VS creme.[/QUOTE]I had a bunch of Help-girls as neighbours. Before I left my apartment I asked them if they wanted some leftovers. Bread, eggs, ketchup and mineral water. The girl who picked up the food was grateful and gave a BJ as her way of saying thank you. :D

[QUOTE=Bravo;1160638]I mean I could have told her,"My price for bringing it to brasil, is a programma, plus the money for the computer". However, I told her I didn't even want one centavo of her money. This be*tch didn't even appreciate it! I swear if somone I knew / trusted said they could get me a 65inch Samsung for 1000 bucks instead of the 3500 I see at Best Buy, I would fall all over myself with appreciation! Its like they expect you to do favors for them with nothing in return![/QUOTE]I understand where you are coming from. But I get the sense that you are a normal guy who comes to Rio for bit of fun. Like any man with balls dreams of doing. And otherwise follows the social mores in day to day life. Now on the other hand, most GDPs are the dregs of Brasilian society who say 'fuck that' and only care about money. So they think you share that greed and would likewise fuck them out of their money (laptop) given the chance. I know GDPs who are fucking around with gringos despite the fact that they are married. Risk divorce. Risk being disowned by their families, risk getting HSV2 or worse and transmitting it to someone who loves them. Because they are greedy hos. And since they are greedy, they assume everyone else is, and just wanting to rip them off. Like you, I want to interact with them on a human level but share your distrust because most of the girls are just transactional. I recommend staying in EUA and touring USA Sex Guide venues at lower cost unless there is a reason to go to BR. Dealing with BR putas vs American swing club or adult bookstore girls is fucked up. On one hand, you have Brasilian girls that think fuck strangers =money and then USA girls that think fuck strangers='Oh. I'm a nasty girl. I like to be fucked like a ho' I trust the EUA girls more, cause they are in for kicks and not for money. Americanas at sex venues are primal, and free fuck you just to feel nasty. Brasilian girls are mainly just greedy, fuck you until your wallet is bare and that is the end of it.

May 2011 trip to Rio de Janeiro.

This is my first time posting on the board. I had not been to Rio in many years – around 15 years. I used to go with friends. Two weeks ago I went by myself. It was a 20 hour flight from San Francisco to Rio but I slept most of the time. I stayed at the Oceano Copacabana hotel.

[url]http://www.oceanohotel.com.br/[/url]

It was expensive but in a great location and the staff was friendly.

The first thing I noticed is Rio is much cleaner and has a safer feel about it, especially around Copa Cabana. I think the government is trying to prepare the city for the Olympics. The Favelas are still there but some locals told me that the government is working to try to make them better places to live with education programs, gyms, etc.

Day 1.

I pulled out my paper notes and maps from years ago and headed out to the termas. All three termas I used to visit were closed. Disappointed, I went back to my room. I called for an escort. The girl came late and tried to change the price before we even started so I paid for her cab and sent her on her way. Frustrated, I went out and had a couple of beers at the café around the corner.

Day 2.

Eager to get some action, I woke up early the next day and went to an internet café that I found advertised on a flyer. The internet café is on the 9th floor of a building. I did some searching around on the internet and came up with some terma names.

To pass the afternoon I decided to try my old dependable place – Vila mimosa. For those of you who don't know what Vila Mimosa is, it is a red light district. Around 1000 girls work there every day. When people on the board say VM they mean Vila Mimosa. The location of VM is next to a huge Favela.

Here is a map of the location:

[url]http://www.brazzilforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=7959211[/url]

Immediately I noticed Vila mimosa has changed as well. Just like in the past, there were loads of girls. And just like in the past, VM has never been an upscale place. Even so, it is much more run down than it used to be. Also the girls look a little rougher than they did in times past. I saw more tattoos and I think the girls are bigger. They look more like gangster girls from MTV videos. I spoke with several girls and even though all were friendly, I did not find any I liked.

In the evening I went to Barbarela.

[url]http://www.telelistas.net/locais/barbarella-boite[/url]

+boates+Rio-de-janeiro+rj+145925708.

F-ing expensive. Every price I was quoted was around 200 to 300 US to go back to the hotel for a short session. The quality was not impressive.

I had Monte Carlo on the list.

[url]http://www.termasmontecarlo.com.br/[/url]

But I decided to abandon it and re-think my strategy after such a string of failures.

Day 3.

The next morning I went to the internet café again. At the cafe I searched "Rio de janeiro termas" on Google.

This came up at the top of the list:

[url]http://www.adelatours.com[/url]

Apparently this company did Terma Tours. I tried to call the number on the website but no answer. I emailed and heard back right away. I booked the Terma tour through email and received an email for the starting location of the tour. I went to the starting location at 9:00 PM. Then the tour guide, code named "Bernie," showed up. As it turns out three other guys that were hanging around the meeting spot were also there for the tour.

We taxied to the first place called Max's. There was a nice selection of around 20 girls and the place was clean. The price was fair. I took a girl to the room and had a good experience. I am not demanding so a good blowjob and passionate pussy sex was enough for me. Next we taxied to another place around ten minutes away. Once again a nice selection of girls and a clean layout. I didn't do anything (too tired) but enjoyed looking. We did one more stop at a place called Leticia massagem. Fifteen girls and all mostly hot. Again, price was good. I did one more session and called it a night.

Day 4.

I went back to Leticia massagem the next night.

The rest of my time was devoted to business.

Food.

One thing that has not changed in Rio is the delicious food. Here are a few places where I ate like a king:

[url]http://www.porcao.com.br[/url]

[url]http://www.bobs.com.br/[/url]

[url]http://www.carretaochurrascaria.com.br/[/url]

Conclusion: Rio is huge and is changing. Vila mimosa is cheap but rough. The higher-end big named termas are too expensive. I didn't know about internationalsexguide. Info before I went.

Do your research first or get a guide or do both. Try to find the smaller establishments in between the name brand tourist traps and the dives. The middle establishments might not have the quantity, but many times they have better quality at a fair price.

due to imported things being so expensive in brazil i always get buddies to bring me stuff. i mean little things you can get in the us for $5 sometimes cost r$50 in brazil. adding to this i always get buddies to stop off in the rio duty free store at the airport and fill their $500 quota with perfumes etc. perfumes that cost $60 make great gifts for women, if you have 3 or 4 regulars a bottle of perfume is a great birthday gift. cheap from our point of view and usually very well appreciated from the girls point of view as it is r$250+ in brazil.

just to clarify the above point. you can legally bring $500 of goods with you and then add another $500 worth of goods purchased from the rio airport duty free store. the airport store sux for everything but alcohol or perfumes etc.

btw, if anyone brings in some stuff for a brazilian and they don't want it i have friends that will take it off your hands for what you paid for it as long as it is wrapped in the original box. i have friends that basically make a living selling imported stuff. these guys live cheap and scrape by by teaching english and selling crap, i guess it beats doing to crappy job in the us!

Does anyone have the original post by Jackson on his GDP gift theory? If you do please post.

[B]The life cycle of the appreciation you will get from a gift[/B]. (It went something like this)

When giving a GDP a gift you must be aware of what benefits it will give you. Sure the GDP will be grateful when you give her something. However for every say 8 hours that passes after the gift, the benefits or gratefulness of that gift will halve. So basically once 24 hours passes the benefits you will get from that gift are all but gone!

Now the benefits of that gift doesn't really go up that much for every extra dollar you spend on a GDP. For a gift of say $50 she will be very grateful. If you get her a gift of $500 she will maybe be 20% more grateful, however going back to the life cycle benefit theory, that benefit too will all be gone after about 24 hours. There will be some residual gratefulness, but it is very small.

Hence if you are going to get a special girl a gift, do it. Just remember that the cost of $20 to $50 will get you the same benefit of something really expensive and be prepared for the benefits to rapidly decay. I generally give a $60 perfume for my favourites on their Birthdays Christmas etc. I will give out maybe 10 gifts in the year. I like to do it, it is cheap and any girls I hang out with a pretty cool anyway, the scammers are scanned out long long ago.

[QUOTE=Bravo; 1160638]PutaPlaya you are right, but in this case, this young lady and I have a history. We have known each other for over 10 years! MANY times I have given her money to help her with her bills or save her from some emergency or another. I didn't even fuck or get a BJ, I did it to help her and her family. After a few years of being "Mr Nice Guy", I started to feel like a sucker, especialy when I would read the board and see guys who demand a programma for 2 bottles of VS creme. LOL!

I mean I could have told her,"My price for bringing it to brasil, is a programma, plus the money for the computer". However, I told her I didn't even want one centavo of her money. This be*tch didn't even appreciate it! I swear if somone I knew / trusted said they could get me a 65inch Samsung for 1000 bucks instead of the 3500 I see at Best Buy, I would fall all over myself with appreciation! Its like they expect you to do favors for them with nothing in return! [/QUOTE]Brother, that is a Red Flag. She should be cut from Team Bravo.

If you give a hen that lays golden eggs to a Brasilian, he / she will wait for an egg, then kill and eat the bird.

[QUOTE=Billn; 1160658]May 2011 trip to Rio de Janeiro.

This is my first time posting on the board. I had not been to Rio in many years – around 15 years. I used to go with friends. Two weeks ago I went by myself. It was a 20 hour flight from San Francisco to Rio but I slept most of the time. I stayed at the Oceano Copacabana hotel.

[url]http://www.oceanohotel.com.br/[/url]

It was expensive but in a great location and the staff was friendly.

The first thing I noticed is Rio is much cleaner and has a safer feel about it, especially around Copa Cabana. I think the government is trying to prepare the city for the Olympics. The Favelas are still there but some locals told me that the government is working to try to make them better places to live with education programs, gyms, etc.

Day 1.

I pulled out my paper notes and maps from years ago and headed out to the termas. All three termas I used to visit were closed. Disappointed, I went back to my room. I called for an escort. The girl came late and tried to change the price before we even started so I paid for her cab and sent her on her way. Frustrated, I went out and had a couple of beers at the café around the corner.

Day 2.

Eager to get some action, I woke up early the next day and went to an internet café that I found advertised on a flyer. The internet café is on the 9th floor of a building. I did some searching around on the internet and came up with some terma names.

To pass the afternoon I decided to try my old dependable place – Vila mimosa. For those of you who don't know what Vila Mimosa is, it is a red light district. Around 1000 girls work there every day. When people on the board say VM they mean Vila Mimosa. The location of VM is next to a huge Favela.

Here is a map of the location:

[url]http://www.brazzilforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=7959211[/url]

Immediately I noticed Vila mimosa has changed as well. Just like in the past, there were loads of girls. And just like in the past, VM has never been an upscale place. Even so, it is much more run down than it used to be. Also the girls look a little rougher than they did in times past. I saw more tattoos and I think the girls are bigger. They look more like gangster girls from MTV videos. I spoke with several girls and even though all were friendly, I did not find any I liked.

In the evening I went to Barbarela.

[url]http://www.telelistas.net/locais/barbarella-boite[/url]

+boates+Rio-de-janeiro+rj+145925708.

F-ing expensive. Every price I was quoted was around 200 to 300 US to go back to the hotel for a short session. The quality was not impressive.

I had Monte Carlo on the list.

[url]http://www.termasmontecarlo.com.br/[/url]

But I decided to abandon it and re-think my strategy after such a string of failures.

Day 3.

The next morning I went to the internet café again. At the cafe I searched "Rio de janeiro termas" on Google.

This came up at the top of the list:

[url]http://www.adelatours.com[/url]

Apparently this company did Terma Tours. I tried to call the number on the website but no answer. I emailed and heard back right away. I booked the Terma tour through email and received an email for the starting location of the tour. I went to the starting location at 9:00 PM. Then the tour guide, code named "Bernie," showed up. As it turns out three other guys that were hanging around the meeting spot were also there for the tour.

We taxied to the first place called Max's. There was a nice selection of around 20 girls and the place was clean. The price was fair. I took a girl to the room and had a good experience. I am not demanding so a good blowjob and passionate pussy sex was enough for me. Next we taxied to another place around ten minutes away. Once again a nice selection of girls and a clean layout. I didn't do anything (too tired) but enjoyed looking. We did one more stop at a place called Leticia massagem. Fifteen girls and all mostly hot. Again, price was good. I did one more session and called it a night.

Day 4.

I went back to Leticia massagem the next night.

The rest of my time was devoted to business.

Food.

One thing that has not changed in Rio is the delicious food. Here are a few places where I ate like a king:

[url]http://www.porcao.com.br[/url]

[url]http://www.bobs.com.br/[/url]

[url]http://www.carretaochurrascaria.com.br/[/url]

Conclusion: Rio is huge and is changing. Vila mimosa is cheap but rough. The higher-end big named termas are too expensive. I didn't know about internationalsexguide. Info before I went.

Do your research first or get a guide or do both. Try to find the smaller establishments in between the name brand tourist traps and the dives. The middle establishments might not have the quantity, but many times they have better quality at a fair price. [/QUOTE]How much was the therma tour? Was it worth it? Would you have rather just used bubba guide?

Thank you for your report, Billn.
[QUOTE=Billn;1160658]The location of VM is next to a huge Favela.[/QUOTE]
It must be an invisible favela because I never noticed any huge favela next to VM.
[QUOTE=Billn;1160658]Here are a few places where I ate like a king:
[url]http://www.bobs.com.br/[/url][/QUOTE]
Seriously, you must be joking.

[QUOTE=Billn;1160658]May 2011 trip to Rio de Janeiro.[/QUOTE]Always good to get different perspectives on Rio. Did you pay the one or four person price for the tour? Looks to be about $100 USD for one and $35 for a group of four. I used to be critical of these "tour" operators but realize that it all depends on your comfort level. If they look out for you and help with translations $100 is a small price to pay for a good experience. Thanks for sharing. Agree with Sperto -- friends don't let friends eat at Bobs.

[QUOTE=Bravo; 1160598]I swear, these girls must think we Americans are idiots! I had a GDP beg me to bring her a laptop because the one she had died. I told her "No problem! Send me 500 bucks and I will pick out a good one for you and carry it to brasil with me in July! I will even bring you the receipt so you will know I am not trying to make any money off of you!" This be*tch had the nerve to get upset and say "I can't believe you do not trust me! I will give you the money once you get here!"

I explained to her that I know at least 8 Americans who had brought things to Rio for the Brasilians to then claim that they didn't have the money or that they wanted a discount. Now mind you, this girl just came back from 3 months in Europe, so I am sure she made a boat load of euros while she was there and here she was complaining about sending me a lousy 500 dollars!

I explained to her that "You need to understand one thing, I am doing your ass a favor! I'm not getting anything out of this! I am helping you save alot of money because that laptop would cost you alot more money in Brasil! So either send me the money first, or call some other bobo to bring it down for you!" She proceeded to curse me out and say she didn't want my help! Man, these girls are so unappreciative! [/QUOTE]They are hoes man! She would rather suck your dick all day and swallow 2 buckets of cum for that laptop.

They don't advertise this very much, but it is posted on their website [url]http://www.clubcancun.com.br/home.html[/url] (See attachment). Hopefully this gives everyone a better idea of when it will be better to go since the entrance is actually applied towards consumption.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1159845]I can never work out the entrance at this place. Sometimes it is R$30, sometimes it is R$50, sometimes includes consumption, sometimes not. Very Brazilian way to price things![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca;1160890]They are hoes man! She would rather suck your dick all day and swallow 2 buckets of cum for that laptop.[/QUOTE]You are right about that. If you even have a thought of a GDP willingly shelling out money then you should have your head examined. When she asked him to bring the computer she probably expected that he would say not to worry about the money. Can't blame her for trying. She would have never known had she never tried. I guess the same way that Bubba Boy scans out the scammers, she scans for the suckers.

It's a shame you didn't go to MC. It's been hopping these days and they have a bunch of new girls, and girls "returning" after dropping off the radar for 2 months after Carnaval.

Barbarella's is a bullshit clip joint that preys on tourists and business travelers. It reminds me of what I hate about the Boates like Bomboa in SP. But it's good for a laugh.

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca;1160890]They are hoes man! She would rather suck your dick all day and swallow 2 buckets of cum for that laptop.[/QUOTE]That's what I was getting at. He can take a laptop and take payment in form of ass if she sees the laptop with her own eyes and trusts that he'll actually let her have it. I mean not just her ass. But her friends asses, relatives asses, etc when she calls in favors. I think in the GDP's mind, the sex is free and she is charging you the opportunity cost for her time during normal ho hours. So you could probably pull a tremendous amount of sex during off-hours before finally having to give over that laptop.

[QUOTE=Billn;1160658]May 2011 trip to Rio de Janeiro.

This is my first time posting on the board. I had not been to Rio in many years – around 15 years. I used to go with friends. Two weeks ago I went by myself. It was a 20 hour flight from San Francisco to Rio but I slept most of the time. I stayed at the Oceano Copacabana hotel.
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Welcome, and thanks for the unique report. Your style of mongering is really eclectic. It looks like 2 of the 4 days you weren't getting anything, but it sounds like it was an adventure and learning experience anyway. Maybe next time you would have more fun if you went to the Reports of Distinction thread and tried to follow someone's path from there. Then you'd never go a day without some Brasileira fucking and sucking the marrow out of your bone.

i won't miss it (can't miss where you've never been!). i'm just more concerned regarding the larger implications. first help. now this. what's next? per our "resident expert", i hope they do only throw a rug over the parts i like!

rio de janeiro. cris touches up her lipstick in the bar's dingy mirror, getting ready to work the rush hour in vila mimosa, rio's bustling working-class prostitution zone.

as dusk descends, bass-heavy music rattles metal tables on the sidewalk outside the bar, and shirtless men fire up smoky makeshift grills next to coolers of beer. women in little more than thong bikinis or lingerie navigate the cobblestone streets, teetering on stiletto platform heels. leaning against doorways and out of windows, they wait for clients, eyes glazed with boredom. the area is a beloved institution or a blight, depending on whom is asked.

but like so much of this city that officials have deemed marginal, it faces the prospect of being torn down in the name of progress as rio revamps crumbling infrastructure and polishes its image prior to the 2014 world cup and the 2016 olympics.

spelling the possible demise of vila mimosa is a 317-mile (510-kilometer) , high-speed train the government wants to build to link rio to the country's financial capital, sao paulo. the $22 billion project was promised in brazil's olympic proposal, and the government is expected to open bidding to prospective builders july 29. work on the train has not begun, but the prostitutes are already wary. if the current plans move forward, it will pass right through the neighborhood.

this wouldn't be the first time the women have been uprooted and relocated, said cleide de almeida, who grew up in the mangue, the red-light district's original downtown location. one of 10 children of a woman who once cooked for the prostitutes, almeida now heads the sex workers' residents and business association.

prostitutes in rio have witnessed seven government-led attempts to eradicate red-light districts over the past century. two prostitution zones have been razed since 1980, most recently in 1996 to make way for the city's administrative center.

following the evictions, the women were forced to conduct business in the open streets and in cars until they could buy property along the block that makes up the current red-light district: a former no man's land bordered by subway tracks and highways that is now bustling with business.

"there is a whole economy here: boarding houses, beauty parlors, cleaners, restaurants. everybody's saying, 'cleide, if the prostitutes go, can we go with you? '" almeida said. she said workers in the district are "definitely worried" by the prospect of relocation.

almeida already has a new place in mind for vila mimosa if a move is unavoidable. but she's not talking. last time the sex workers moved, she said, residents at their destination were waiting for them and tried to fight them off as they unloaded their moving trucks.

no one returned calls and emails seeking comment from the federal agency in charge of the train project, the agencia nacional de transportes terrestres. spokesmen for the city of rio and the state transportation department said neither was yet involved.

if they must be relocated, the women want something more than just a new site: architect guilherme ripardo, working with the business association, has drawn up plans for a $1. 8 million community center at the new, undisclosed location that would include a health clinic, child care, and professional training in everything from sewing to computer literacy.

its clean, modern lines – blueprints show swooping curves and soft corners – were inspired by the women themselves, ripardo said. the prostitutes nicknamed it "a cidade das meninas," or "the city of girls."

the new center is meant to be functional but also beautiful, a source of pride, ripardo said. sex work happens in rio, he said; it's part of the city's history. it's also within the bounds of law. prostitution is legal in brazil.

"we wanted to show the city that they don't have to hide it; it exists, and they should take care of the people here," he said."the solution isn't to isolate it from the city, but to integrate it."

vila mimosa is now a chaotic jumble of modest homes jammed side by side. old pipes leak sewage, which pools in the cobblestone streets. the lower floors of most houses have been converted to bars and nightclubs where prostitutes meet their clients; the upper floors are a rabbit warren of small, windowless cubicles branching off a narrow corridor where prostitutes take their customers.

sex here is cheap, quick, with no frills: $18 buys 20 minutes in a cement bunk topped by a plastic-covered mattress. there's a bucket of water and toilet paper in each cubicle, and little privacy – the sound of sex fills the bare hallway.

about 2, 000 women work vila mimosa's streets 24 hours a day – some before heading off to a full day of work as maids, cashiers, and manicurists; some after working their day jobs.

to its clients, vila mimosa offers easy sex and cold beer in a convenient location. it's just one subway stop from downtown and a five-minute walk from a station serving dozens of major bus lines. highways connecting the heart of the city to far-flung suburbs crisscross nearby. the mayor's office and brazil's football palace, maracana stadium, are less than a mile away.

"if they make the girls move away from here, vila mimosa will die. the women will lose their income," said andre costa. 38, who works in a bank downtown and is a regular client."people come here to blow off steam after work, to hae a drink. they're not going to get on some bus."

the women know this, so the question of where vila mimosa would go if it were moved is foremost in their minds. they've already seen how multibillion-dollar infrastructure projects meant to streamline rio's intractable traffic have uprooted hundreds of families in rio's slums.

construction has begun on the $618 million transcarioca, an express highway that will link the far west of the city to the international airport to the north, also part of rio's olympic infrastructure package.

nearly 1, 000 families have been evicted, and according to the city government. 3,000 homes will have to be razed before the transcarioca is completed. residents have been offered homes in neighborhoods 40 or 50 miles (65 or 80 kilometers) away – but they say that is an unreasonable distance for those who rely on buses to navigate rio's congested traffic.

both amnesty international and the united nations have called attention to allegations of rights abuses during evictions – residents say they've been roughed up and suffered evictions in the middle of the night.

the prostitute cris, who declined to give her last name so neighbors wouldn't discover her occupation, said a move could kill her income. she's worked the central location five days a week foryears, buying a small house and furnishing it with income from steady clients. at 48, she's not going to start again, she said.

"my clients come here, they know me, and it's safe. i know all these girls," she said."when we leave late at night, there's transportation here, and there's always someone keeping an eye on you."

the government has targeted other sex venues over the past year and a half. first it shut down help, a nightclub and meeting point on copacabana beach where hundreds of prostitutes hooked up with their mostly foreign clientele. city officials said they wanted to turn the property into a museum dedicated to brazilian music.

two small hotels used by prostitutes in a square near the music and nightlife neighborhood of lapa were shuttered this year, ostensibly for nonpayment of taxes. a massage parlor used by sex workers in the city's west side was closed for sanitary reasons, said thaddeus blanchette, an investigator at the federal university of rio de janeiro's macae campus who has researched prostitution and sexual tourism for seven years.

"it's about raising property values, but the big thing is making the city more acceptable to foreigners' eyes," he said."it's taking people who shock foreigners and pushing them out of the way: prostitutes, street vendors, homeless people. they're going to clean up parts and throw a rug over the rest of it."

[QUOTE=The Cane; 1161617]I won't miss it (can't miss where you've never been!). I'm just more concerned regarding the larger implications. First Help. Now this. What's next? Per our "resident expert", I hope they do only throw a rug over the parts I like!

RIO DE JANEIRO. Cris touches up her lipstick in the bar's dingy mirror, getting ready to work the rush hour in Vila Mimosa, Rio's bustling working-class prostitution zone.

"[/QUOTE]Five years ago, Rio hired Rudy Giuliani's public relation company's to clean the image of Rio.

As always, Rudy went after the easy targets. What next? LE stings to arrest the johns?

[QUOTE=The Cane;1161617]I won't miss it (can't miss where you've never been!). I'm just more concerned regarding the larger implications. First Help. Now this. What's next? Per our "resident expert", I hope they do only throw a rug over the parts I like![/QUOTE]If the trem-bala makes it necessary to move VM it's sad. I doubt that the Cidade das Meninas will be the same thing.

I wouldn't be surprised if they try to clean up Copacabana. Maybe closing Balcony and some of the strip-clubs on Prado Junior. Well, that's not a real loss.

There will always be lots of privês in centro. They can be closed down, but will re-open soon again. The privês are anonymous. I doubt the government will feel the need to try to close them.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1161653]There will always be lots of privês in centro. They can be closed down, but will re-open soon again. The privês are anonymous. I doubt the government will feel the need to try to close them.[/QUOTE]I think the last large scale Centro sting was July 2009. I wonder what prompted that, and whether it will be escalated to happen more often and on a larger scale in the future. Members here have been arrested before, Geofagus is one. Acenva had a friend who was arrested. I remember someone was bailing out his buddy in 2009 and trying to pickup freshly released, now unemployed GDPs on their way out of the legacia. That was a great move.

Less than 200 years after independence, the local powers-that-be want to capitulate to the values of foreigners again in the interest of making quick money. Some things never change. The worst part is that I don't believe these are values that the foreign tourist really hold as truths, rather it's something they are just told they should believe and they play the part. For example that is unacceptable to be poor, or unacceptable to be a sex-positive person like a GDP. Everyone in my country knows this is bullshit, and the facts of life dictate that any of us could end up poor and selling churros on some street, and would definitely like to have sex freely like hookers. But societal pressure forces us to stay silent as we watch our politicians and NGOs push the farce of these values on everyone else. It's tragic.

By cleaning up, basically they'll lose the many repeat visitors (like us) and maybe gain a few 1 time visitors that come to see Cristo, Sugar Loaf, maybe the Arches and never return. It is a long way from Europe, a long way from US / Canada, Oz and almost totally impractical for most Asians. Most people in the OCED countries aren't willing to spend that much time and money to see the few major tourist attractions of Rio, unless pussy is also involved. I do suspect this is crusader Rudy's doing, and not driven by Brasilians. I only know 1 Brasilian who is digusted by whoring, he defected and is now living in USA. Fitting. The guy tells me not to stay in Copa because it is full of prostitutes, and not to stay in Centro because it is really dangerous after dark. Haha. Full of shit on both accounts. Most clean minded people could walk through Copa and not detect any prostitution. And Centro is less dangerous than most urban areas. I can walk all through Centro at night and nobody bothers me. 100x safer than US urban areas where violence and thievery is like sport. If a foreigner tried the same in typical places like Baltimore, Detroit or Chicago he'd be mugged nightly, maybe shot dead just so some kid could get that kill to gain membership to their gang of choice. Rio is already clean and safe in my opinion, for people who have the common sense to stay out of the hardcore favelas. They don't need Rudy or any other foreign intervention trying to fix what isn't broke, and fucking it up in the process. Preaching to the choir, but sorry I have to vent when I see this stuff!

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1161662]By cleaning up, basically they'll lose the many repeat visitors (like us) and maybe gain a few 1 time visitors that come to see Cristo, Sugar Loaf, maybe the Arches and never return.[/QUOTE]What's most important to the tourism in Rio is the national tourism. When it comes to foreign tourism, we mongers just makes out a small part. Loosing foreign monger tourists means almost nothing, except to Balcony, Prado Junior and the Copa-termas etc.

I don't think it necessarily about "What is a great loss" and "What is no big deal / no great loss", but more about "WHERE WILL IT END!"

[QUOTE=Sperto;]There will always be lots of privês in centro. They can be closed down, but will re-open soon again. The privês are anonymous. I doubt the government will feel the need to try to close them.[/QUOTE]Sure "The privês" maybe safe for now. But the way things are progressing, 5 to 7 years from now, who knows?

[QUOTE=Spidy; 1161846]I don't think it necessarily about "What is a great loss" and "What is no big deal / no great loss", but more about "WHERE WILL IT END!"

Sure "The privês" maybe safe for now. But the way things are progressing. 5 to 7 years from now, who knows? [/QUOTE]I expect more cleaning up before 2014, but no worries.

Brazilians worship sex. They love to f*k, cheat and visit GP's. There will always be GP's offering their services.

I think closing down sex establishment have a lot of politics involved. It's more like acting than to be meant serious.

If they should close some clubs in Copa only a few thousand gringo mongers and the staff and GP's would suffer. If they would close down privês in Centro, VM etc, maybe hundred of thousands Carioca mongers would suffer and leave thousands of girls unemployed. That would be bad politic.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1161867]I expect more cleaning up before 2014, but no worries.

Brazilians worship sex. They love to f*k, cheat and visit GP's. There will always be GP's offering their services.

I think closing down sex establishment have a lot of politics involved. It's more like acting than to be meant serious.

If they should close some clubs in Copa only a few thousand gringo mongers and the staff and GP's would suffer. If they would close down privês in Centro, VM etc, maybe hundred of thousands Carioca mongers would suffer and leave thousands of girls unemployed. That would be bad politic.[/QUOTE]Totally agree with that.

Whoever knows the brazilians well (why uno es vecino) , knows that this is just another cleaning operation to make Rio look more touristic for the average.

What is more, with the events coming ahead, they plan to get rid of the stereotype sex-tourist. Period. One way of another. So expect more and more pressure in that direction.

The solution? Know more about how the locals behave. Know their places. Don't be visible.

That's the future. Great sex in Brazil won't go away. But you'll have to find it.

[QUOTE=Sperto;]...That would be bad politic.[/QUOTE]Well I guess I'm more of a student of "politicians" than "GDPs", although the two have very similar traits ;-)

Prostitution, GDPs, Privs and other sex establishments have always been "low hanging fruit" for politicians looking to make a name for themselves, bolster their careers, make a splash in the headlines or just simply align themselves with the "moral" and "just" cause.

Bad politics. I doubt that! On the contrary, I think it's always been great politics. So I'll disagree with you on this one.

[QUOTE=Spidy; 1162197]Well I guess I'm more of a student of "politicians" than "GDPs", although the two have very similar traits.

Prostitution, GDPs, Privs and other sex establishments have always been "low hanging fruit" for politicians looking to make a name for themselves, bolster their careers, make a splash in the headlines or just simply align themselves with the "moral" and "just" cause.

Bad politics. I doubt that! On the contrary, I think it's always been great politics. So I'll disagree with you on this one. [/QUOTE]You might very well be right. I just think taking away the GP's would be like forbide football in Brazil. Also it would be impossible. As Gaucho9 said "Great sex in Brazil won't go away. But you'll have to find it."

[QUOTE=Ito Oscar64; 1097121]I arrived yesterday and Copa was like every other day, maybe more police.

I went to Balcony and it was crowdy by maybe less quality of girls. I took Diana few meter from the bar and we went to my Hotel. 150R full night but we work for 45 minutes and after she was tired and wanted to sleep. Very nice lady but not very enthusiastic.

Do you know any other bar working as Balcony in Copa? [/QUOTE]Was Diana a petite blonde "spinner type" girl with small tits?

[QUOTE=Sperto;1161778]What's most important to the tourism in Rio is the national tourism. When it comes to foreign tourism, we mongers just makes out a small part. Loosing foreign monger tourists means almost nothing, except to Balcony, Prado Junior and the Copa-termas etc.[/QUOTE]I was in New York City this past January and spoke to many Brazilians at a function for the Brazil Foundation, and many from Sao Paolo don't go to Rio. THey said they prefer NYC with the weak dollar, but many have been to NYC and never been to Rio. They see cariocas as lazy. SP carries Brazil on its back, while Rio is foreign tourist oriented.

Mongers who make up a small fraction of Brazil's foreign tourism, many frequent Rio. I was in Rio April 2011, one of 15 trips between Mar 2008 and Apr 2011, and I've notice a down trend of mongers. My last trip was with a former Lagoa resident living in Los Angeles who is a great friend of mind, who too me to visit his carioca high school and college friends went to Balcony with me. He was surprised at the prices the girls were asking there. He said gringos have fucked up the gringo gdp game in Copa, but will never fuck it up for Brazilians.

But I think the gdps have fucked themseleves. Many gringos are reading ISG and other sites, to learn the gdp pay scale. It's funny how the gdp will walk from guy to guy at Balcony and get turned down at R$400. I always respond loud,"No R$250-R$400 is too much," so any monger in ear shot next to me will not give that high price.

Many of us are complaining about how Rio has become expensive. Maybe we should feel sorry for the Copa-GP's instead?

Many GP's working in Copabana are of a strange breed. They might live in a favela in Zona Norte. They have almost never visited Copa, except on occassional Domingo when they took the metro to Copa and had a farofa-festa on the beach. They have never had any contact at all with gringos. They have one or two kids. The father has left long ago and pays no support. Life is tough. Their options are few. Honest hard work might not be appealing. Selling their p***y seems more tempting. Working at Vila Mimosa for R$25 is too hard, as the local VM-customers are demanding and wants completa-service. Working in a privê is to much competition.

What to do? They hear a story about a beautiful friend of theirs who was doing tricks in Copa and earned lots of money selling sex to gringos. Earning lots of money with little work sounds interesting. As a result the girls buy themselfes some plastic hair extension and a new dress and head to Copa. They end up in Balcony. Back in Zona Norte they would be happy if a local paid R$30 for a programma. Suddenly they are in heaven as they can charge R$300. Being beautiful isn't necessary. There are always some drunk gringos that get overwhelmed by a smiling girl eager to satisfy their sexual needs. If the girl is smart she realize that she can do four customers per night if she lower her rate to R$150. However most Copa GP's are not smart, they are lazy and greedy. They think it's better to stick to their rate of R$300, even if it only means one customer every second night. If the business is going really bad they might even raise the price to R$400.

Unless the girl is exceptional beautiful she propably gets disappointed very soon of her new life as a Copa-GP. The golden stories she heard about easy money selling sex to gringos in Copa are not what she excepted. The gringos are few. In the "old days" when the dollar was strong and Help, Meia Pataca and ho-beach were busy, there were lots of gringos. Many were big spenders and payed whatever the girls asked for and even tipped the GP's. Now, with the weak dollar, the gringos think twice before they overpay.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1162377]However most Copa GP's are not smart, they are lazy and greedy. They think it's better to stick to their rate of R$300, even if it only means one customer every second night. If the business is going really bad they might even raise the price to R$400.

Unless the girl is exceptional beautiful she propably gets disappointed very soon of her new life as a Copa-GP. The golden stories she heard about easy money selling sex to gringos in Copa are not what she expected. [/QUOTE]Yes, greed. If they charged R$300 per day and give true bareback GFE everything I'd keep a single girl for up to a week and treat her very well, better than her favelado treats her. Then according to your assumptions, she is making about twice what she'd make in Copa. The first few trips to Rio are like pussy safari. After that, I think some of us want to just enjoy the city and good GFE a few times per day with a strange girl. I've yet to find that opportunity for a steady ho or non-pro, so I spend all my time looking for 2-3 girls / day to bang. The result is that I run myself ragged after ST girls, when all I want to do is relax and get off 2-3 times per day with strange. I enjoy Rio, love the normal people and culture and want to spend all my time in that, but due to the the way the girls operate, I spend most of my time chasing pussy, and go home exhausted from all the long days and nights of aparto-aparto and termas-termas. I'm wondering if people who are already experienced on Sperto's list and Bubbas guide places should branch out, try other place like suburban malls for semi-pros. Think Jakarta, Cebu City style mall mongering.

Where is it possible in Rio for a semi-frequent visitor to pickup semi-pro for extended relax, so you can just enjoy the city without playing the cash games of Zona Sul and Centro hardcores? For people who stay months at a time, or people who come every couple months, or spend inordinate amounts of time on cupid sites, it's easy to find semi or non-pro. But for those who come for a week, annually or bi-annually, what are the best chances (outside Lapa one-night stands) to pick semi-normal girls who just want a little gift and to be treated very well, in exchange for a week or 2 of GFE and some companionship around town? As it stands right now, I've been to at least 80% of the casas ever mentioned here, and speak intermediate Porto conversationally, so thinking that I should step up to the next level and find a girl that is not a pro-ho, but that does what I want and keep her for a week when I visit so I can relax and enjoy Rio. Quality over quantity. I can think of girls at Flavia and Bar 22 that I wanted to keep but didn't, due to thinking about numbers. Wrong approach! Now I spend a lot of time interviewing, trying to find similar real wanton GFE girls, but did not find any on the last trip! I'm sure others are at that point of wanting to step up to the next level, to locate a GFE girl somehow fast and stick with her services, but know she is rare and not sure how how to find her in the first few days of of a trip. Please advise on that.

That there were too many fools, er, smart folk responsible for screwing up the price structure of GDP's in Brazil. People don't realize that there is a pecking order in a society and we, the outsiders who gave GDPs any price they asked, were just f*cking up the pecking order. Locals paid these skanks what 10% of what us foreigners were paying them in venues such as Help (RIP). Remember that place? So, I am going to guess that Balcony IS going to be that next place to shutdown, I am 99. 9% sure it is just a matter of time.

Sao Paolo has its group of places that caters to the foreign and the well healed: Cafe Photo, W Garden, They will gladly take the BR700 to BR800 (If you include the entrance) for a very short time (One pop as mentioned by some of the gals) for the same skanks that people in the know will do for less than half and in a bunch of cases less than 25% in their apartments in Moema, Consolasao, Villa Olimpia or wherever they stay. In their apartments you can stay for one and a half, two hours, get multiple pops and no rush service.

As guests is someone elses' yard, we need to FOLLOW what the locals do. We have introduced some bad habits to some nice local places like tipping at the local Termas, even among the cashiers and doormen, (Yes, I'm guilty of that bad habit too) , but what annoys locals the most is the way us outsiders threw around or used to without thinking of who it will affect later down the road. Now we are all complaining about high prices in Copacabana, Ipanema, Sao Paulo, Fortaleza, Brazil. Geez, fellas, I wonder why?

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1162377]Many of us are complaining about how Rio has become expensive. Maybe we should feel sorry for the Copa-GP's instead?

Many GP's working in Copabana are of a strange breed. They might live in a favela in Zona Norte. They have almost never visited Copa, except on occassional Domingo when they took the metro to Copa and had a farofa-festa on the beach. They have never had any contact at all with gringos. They have one or two kids. The father has left long ago and pays no support. Life is tough. Their options are few. Honest hard work might not be appealing. Selling their p*why seems more tempting. Working at Vila Mimosa for R$25 is too hard, as the local VM-customers are demanding and wants completa-service. Working in a privê is to much competition.

What to do? They hear a story about a beautiful friend of theirs who was doing tricks in Copa and earned lots of money selling sex to gringos. Earning lots of money with little work sounds interesting. As a result the girls buy themselfes some plastic hair extension and a new dress and head to Copa. They end up in Balcony. Back in Zona Norte they would be happy if a local paid R$30 for a programma. Suddenly they are in heaven as they can charge R$300. Being beautiful isn't necessary. There are always some drunk gringos that get overwhelmed by a smiling girl eager to satisfy their sexual needs. If the girl is smart she realize that she can do four customers per night if she lower her rate to R$150. However most Copa GP's are not smart, they are lazy and greedy. They think it's better to stick to their rate of R$300, even if it only means one customer every second night. If the business is going really bad they might even raise the price to R$400.

Unless the girl is exceptional beautiful she propably gets disappointed very soon of her new life as a Copa-GP. The golden stories she heard about easy money selling sex to gringos in Copa are not what she excepted. The gringos are few. In the "old days" when the dollar was strong and Help, Meia Pataca and ho-beach were busy, there were lots of gringos. Many were big spenders and payed whatever the girls asked for and even tipped the GP's. Now, with the weak dollar, the gringos think twice before they overpay. [/QUOTE]

[quote=voyajer1; 1162500]that there were too many fools, er, smart folk responsible for screwing up the price structure of gdp's in brazil. people don't realize that there is a pecking order in a society and we, the outsiders who gave gdps any price they asked, were just f*cking up the pecking order. locals paid these skanks what 10% of what us foreigners were paying them in venues such as help (rip).

as guests is someone elses' yard, we need to follow what the locals do. we have introduced some bad habits to some nice local places like tipping at the local termas, even among the cashiers and doormen, (yes, i'm guilty of that bad habit too) , but what annoys locals the most is the way us outsiders threw around or used to without thinking of who it will affect later down the road. now we are all complaining about high prices in copacabana, ipanema, sao paulo, fortaleza, brazil. geez, fellas, i wonder why? [/quote]but this happens all around the world. take a peek in the bangkok and manila threads. you can't tell a grown man what to do with his money. especially the ones with more money than sense. you will get scoffed at in most forums for even mentioning the possiblility of the market being ruined because of guys throwing money around. but as you said, rio stands as a prime example of that exact thing happening. if regular prices are x but you have half the people always willingly giving x+100 then of course they are going to adjust the normal prices to x+100 because that is what many people were paying anyway. maybe the mongers did not feel it much before, but now that the exchange rate has reversed we have in essence fucked ourselves (no pun intended).

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1162395]Now I spend a lot of time interviewing, trying to find similar real wanton GFE girls, but did not find any on the last trip! I'm sure others are at that point of wanting to step up to the next level, to locate a GFE girl somehow fast and stick with her services, but know she is rare and not sure how how to find her in the first few days of of a trip. Please advise on that.[/QUOTE]IT isn't about stepping up to the next level. What you need to do is go back to a previous level, retrace your steps back to before you got to the point where what you do is pay girls to have sex with you. Be the person you used to be, and you'll find your 'namorada do programa. ' If you haven't taken care of yourself and you're livin in a distended, out-of-shape body nearing expiration date, at least you're in a country with a lot of poor girls and you can use money to help them fall in love with you (for a week or so). No need to interview, just have fun with them.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1162604]IT isn't about stepping up to the next level. What you need to do is go back to a previous level, retrace your steps back to before you got to the point where what you do is pay girls to have sex with you. Be the person you used to be, and you'll find your 'namorada do programa. ' If you haven't taken care of yourself and you're livin in a distended, out-of-shape body nearing expiration date, at least you're in a country with a lot of poor girls and you can use money to help them fall in love with you (for a week or so). No need to interview, just have fun with them.[/QUOTE]Actually I'm probably younger than most people here and in average shape. I have all I need at home for 'free' but enjoy girls of other colors and nationalities, and to want to meet the most whorish types of girls. The more wanton the girl , the more I like her. Which is why I keep screwing that crazy loira Bella, that can be found in Club Florida during their hours or outside Bar Florida on off-hours, on every trip because she is 100% alley cat, out there wandering like an animal in heat, always on booty duty. Girls like that don't want to hook up for LT. The root of the problem is that I don't get to spend more than a week at a time. By the time that I find a girl that does real GFE and willing to do LT, that's like day 5 and almost time to go home. Then I return 6 months later and all the faces have changed, almost all girls vaporize back into the general population within that time, so there is no history to build on. Even termas girls are becoming conservative. In my February field report, I reported that I ended a session early and got a half-refund at Luomo because a girl was cum dodging. That's not the first girl at Luomo who has refused BBBJWCIM. I think CIM is fairly basic service at those prices, so I was not about to tolerate anything less and fought the good fight at the front desk, in a polite manner of course. These people know that gringos talk amongst ourselves, and make allowances so we don't trash-talk them too much. I can say that Luomo has some girls that don't meet expectations, but they will make concessions for another girl or a partial refund if you are unsatisfied. That said, I've only gone there on Sundays because Centro is shutdown, and will try Balcony the next time for my Sunday action.

As for a time when I didn't pay for it...hmm. I am of the mindset that pussy is never free. I don't remember a time when a girl didn't want some kind of compensation. Usually dinner, movies, something like that. The only difference between a date, GF, or wife and and the WG is that the WG takes her cash directly whereas the others take their compensation in goods or services. So technically, it's free for me at home. But the costs are indirect. I'd like to hear about sometime when a guy didn't have to compensate a girl. Maintaining a GF or wife costs more than hiring WG's. Cost of drinks at bars to pick up freebies can be high at home, more than a BR WG. The guys who are getting freebies in BR are typically shelling out for Victoria's Secret, Porcao dinners, etc. In my country, even at gangbangs at ABS or Swing Clubs, the girl does her thing free, cause she's thinks that she's being badass and giving a bunch of cocks (that's us, 'cocks') shelter under her black wings, but it's still not free cause the venue makes sure that you have to pay an entrance fee to play. Even if the girl doesn't receive compensation, someone is always standing in the middle to make money off her pussy somehow. If anyone can report totally free sex without some kind of expense, PM me with that story.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1162500]That there were too many fools, er, smart folk responsible for screwing up the price structure of GDP's in Brazil. People don't realize that there is a pecking order in a society and we, the outsiders who gave GDPs any price they asked, were just f*cking up the pecking order. Locals paid these skanks what 10% of what us foreigners were paying them in venues such as Help (RIP). Remember that place? So, I am going to guess that Balcony IS going to be that next place to shutdown, I am 99. 9% sure it is just a matter of time.
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I agree with you on paying the lowest rate possible. But these Zona Sul places are tourist traps and local mongers don't go to those places anyway, They hang out in Centro, Largo do Machado, Tijuca. These casas are flat price, not negotiable. The prices posted on the sites are the same as reported on GPguia and here. When you go there , you wait behind local mongers, because everyone is on equal footing.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1163055]I have all I need at home for 'free' .[/QUOTE]You have all the girls you want at home and you realize that you've got to pick up the tabs along the way. So, what's the problem? Think women aren't the same the world over? You only get what you play for.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1162395]Where is it possible in Rio for a semi-frequent visitor to pickup semi-pro for extended relax, so you can just enjoy the city without playing the cash games of Zona Sul and Centro hardcores? For people who stay months at a time, or people who come every couple months, or spend inordinate amounts of time on cupid sites, it's easy to find semi or non-pro. But for those who come for a week, annually or bi-annually, what are the best chances (outside Lapa one-night stands) to pick semi-normal girls who just want a little gift and to be treated very well, in exchange for a week or 2 of GFE and some companionship around town? .[/QUOTE]My frequency of trips and duration are similar to yours. 2X a year each 10 days.

From 2004 to 2009 I used match. Com by signing up a few months before a trip and scanning the women in Rio and contacting many of them. Used instant messenger to communicate with them and right before I was ready to leave for my trip I usually narrowed down my choices to 10 women.

When I arrived I tried to pick my favorites first asking them to go out on my first night and work my way through the list. Usually if my first choice was a hit I would ask them out again and score or keep moving down the list. I have to say I always met nice women who were open to having sex. Of course I met some who didn't but for the most part I scored more than I didn't.

I haven't done it in a couple of years I guess the novelty wore off and it can be a lot of work. Actually the last girl I met was really nice and I didn't have sex with her but later we planned to go to Buzios for a week but she told me she is serious and wants to get married, no bull shit. I cancelled the trip and instead went to Help every night. I haven't done it since. But when I did do it overall I had a great time and it was worth the effort but sometimes you find yourself going all over town meeting these girls and taking them out.

One girl I met in 2004 told me she was looking for only a serious relationship, we chatted online for 3 years before I met her finally she just said to me we are friends and I'll fuck you just for fun, she was the first girl who brought me to the swing club in Rio.

Same with another girl I met online in 2005, went to dinner with her but didn't see her again until 2009 when I asked her online if she had anything to drink in her apt and she said Champagne, I said can I come over, she said sure, I drank her whole bottle of Champagne and nailed her twice then went to Help and picked up another one.

I had a fun time doing it but been there done that, maybe I'll try it again some day when I get bored with what I'm doing now.

I have a friend who used to work in a strip club. We have never met but just been introduced by a friend here on ISG. I was going to go and visit and 6 months ago she was still available.

She's had a baby about a year ago or more. The guy is older than her. She's been working as a beauty model shooting pictures. So 6 months ago she was still working. In March she married. I asked her recently and she said that she is no longer working.

Just like to ask if this is common? And can I expect her to be available in the future? I heard that once a girl has worked, she will always be like this even after marriage. Whats your opinions on this?

I intend to keep in touch wiht her in case she becomes available again?

[QUOTE=Droplet;1164167]I heard that once a girl has worked, she will always be like this even after marriage. Whats your opinions on this?[/QUOTE]This is just a myth. Most girls, when they meet a guy will just disappear never to be heard from again. Most will cease to have any contact with all of their clients. Most just want to forget that they ever worked.

A small percentage of them will keep seeing clients, mainly the really hardcore group. A slighter higher number will keep in contact with some of their ex clients. Again mainly the harder core group that lived in Copa. Most of the girls that I tend to meet these days are from centro and are just girls from poor backgrounds with semi normal lives, when these girls meet a guy they really disappear back to the area they came from and really want to forget that they ever worked.

The matter of if they will reappear is a different subject. Probably greater than half of all marriages will fail. They may or not reappear in the future.

When you say a percentage will keep in touch with ex-clients, you don't mean that they will sleep with them for money right? Keeping in touch just means keeping in touch and nothing else.

This girl had a baby last September. She was still working in January. I think she got married in March. And now 6 months later she's not working. She is now working in a modelling agency.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1164333]This is just a myth. Most girls, when they meet a guy will just disappear never to be heard from again. Most will cease to have any contact with all of their clients. Most just want to forget that they ever worked.

A small percentage of them will keep seeing clients, mainly the really hardcore group. A slighter higher number will keep in contact with some of their ex clients. Again mainly the harder core group that lived in Copa. Most of the girls that I tend to meet these days are from centro and are just girls from poor backgrounds with semi normal lives, when these girls meet a guy they really disappear back to the area they came from and really want to forget that they ever worked.

The matter of if they will reappear is a different subject. Probably greater than half of all marriages will fail. They may or not reappear in the future. [/QUOTE]

Hi,

I was in Rio in March (sorry for late report, and sorry for my english, I'm french)

I would to thanks sexmachine (ISG member) to introduce me in great places! Weather was terrible! 10 days of syn with 30-40 °C every days!

The first day, we go to Monte Carlo. Very nice place, juste a little tiny and music a little bit too loud. First contact with girls : Waoooow yes! I'm in Brazil! Around 12 girls and 8 very beautiful (medium and fine ass, and 1 or 2 big ass). During my friend go for a shower (he comes back from 4x4) , I have wait her in a part of Monte Carlo. I don't know where it was, but there is a black girl and a maid. The black girl with street dress (really beautiful one) start to speak me (she speaks english) and ask me question : Name? From? First time? And say to me she find me really beautiful! I'm surprised because I see her with street dress, so I ask to her if she works her? She responds me yes, but start later and ask me if I can wait for her in the main place were girls are.

I think it was it's first day at MC (but not in termas for sure.) and wait for boss or contract? I don't know.

I have wait her for 45 min, but impossible to wait more time with all these looking for me, come to speak, come to kiss me, and someones put their tongue everywhere around my lips.

First I was shy, because I only know termas of Europe (Spain, Germany.) and the rules are : if you touch the girls, you start the sessions.

My friend explain me you can touch girls everywhere, French kiss, or kiss tits, and not engage the session and choose another one! WOOOOW it's so goood! He explains me brazilian girls are really different than europe. They like their jobs, like give and receive pleasure!

For my first session, I would choose a typical brazilian bunda, but I was affraid of that! And after reflexion I choose a fine ass blond girl. (don't remember his name but his photo is on the gallery post by another member) very intelligent (speaks english and spanish very good). Session was ok. No anal but very tight pussy and she speaks me in porto during I fuck her : Gostoso. Don't know other words. Very GFE, and for sure if I would to ask her to take a drinks and see her in another place, she will be ok.

When I come back to the place, I go to TV saloon to follow amical football (France. Brazil). We win, but brazil team is compose with only rookies (no famous player as neymar, robinho, alves.). I wome back to see if there is new girls and I can notice black brazilian girls are the most HOT! One start to speak me (but she only speak portuguese) and she take my cock and after excite me, and look for size, I can understand : good big size but no problem I can take all on my mouth. She starts to simulate an orgasm and show me she would like have my sperm everywhere! She start to take out one of this tits of his bra and invite me to lick it!

The little young and shy man I'm is completely terrified! Wooow I have ear many things about brazilian girls. But now, these girls come from another planet!

After she returns, and rub his ass on my cock!

I decide to not continue because I want keep my money for others termas.

Evening, we go to Balcony. 20 girls in first, and 40/60 girls at least. Not ugly girls, but only 10/15% very beautiful. Termas girls are most beautiful. We take a drink and we are laughing about a scene : Two girls hunting together when they see 2 guys alone. Each time after 20/25 minutes of speaking, guys leave, and they dispute themselves about the strategy to convince the guys to spent sex time with her!

During this time I have observe the scene. I can notice there is many shark girls, and I think it's probably not a good idea to go with her.

Another day (I don't remember because I don't go termas every day) , we go to Luomo. Happily my friend was here, because if you don't look up the head you can see write Luomo and you don't find it very easy. Luomo is a little more little than MC, but more lights. Girls are more tanned than MC. No white girls, only black, chocolate or caramel body color. I remember black girl of MC = black girls most HOT. I can verify it! After 15 minutes, DJ lance Funk and all girls wake up and go to do sexy funk dance and they shake their bunda. That's really excite me! And again I have the impression to be on another planete.

My friends present me some girls but not really like. It's little and only 3/4 clients for 10/15 girls. So all girls free look at me and that disturb me, because I know if I look one of them more of 5 sec she comes to me.

But after, I locate one with milk chocolate color body, with red hair color (not light red as a junkie, but some hair dark red. She is very funny, and start to french kiss me, and touch me up in first and the hand come more and more down. She speaks only porto but she is really fresh and I like her. Before session I start to congratulate her about how she dances funk, their beautiful eyes, body. She seems to like me and I try to explain to her I would offer a drink or restaurant and always before session. She is ok but she says to me she finish work late, and I must wait for her. I say I know and no problem for wait. So she stays very long time with me (speak, kiss, touch, learn me funk.) without to ask to go for session! Not very GFE, but Extra GFE!

So go session for thanks her and it was amazing! No anal but she make me love with many passion!

I see her later day, to go beach, shopping and little sex. But can't all the time, because as you know guys, they must do 5 or 6 days per week on terma.

During time to Luomo, we can see a black girls name Cacau do a show. She was completely nude and dance. She takes one client, put him on a seat and strat a lap dance. Wooow!

Another day, go to 4x4. This terma is big, many girls after 4 PM and every type you want (fine to XXL ass, white to black, morena, ruivas, loiras, tall, little, * face or pretty face.).4x4 is good when you really don't know which type of girl you want or if you want to test all types.

After few minutes, a girl take my arm and bring me near of her. This is Karina, blond, beautiful brazilian ass (not big, but quite big) Start kiss me very hot, grab my dick. So I think she's the good one for very hot session as porno movies and I ask her anal? Yes completo she says to me. I say to her I like have preliminary time before session. She takes me and invite me to come and the another part of 4x4. Only one girl her relax, no music, we are alone and we do very deep french kiss for long minutes. I can't anymore respire or speak. His tongue is completely in my mouth and ready to go on my throath.

The session was very hot. For the anal I would be sweet and take time. But she decides to take my cock and put it entierely and directly deep in her ass and ask me to fuck her very hard. With that, impossible to retain. I come in 3/4 minutes in his ass. I ask her for another shot, no problem, suck me, put me another condom and go fuck deep in her ass again. I fuck her so hard, the sound of the slap on my body in his ass is really loud. I have sentiment to abuse to do that, but she motives me to continue (gostoso.) Waooow this session was amazing!

Others days I have try Balcony many times, but nothing really good.

Next time I would try casas de massagem or cheap termas as sperto speaking on his guide. I'm surprise to see one casa name hollywood for 1 pop / 20 R and no limit time. Incredible?

Next time, I will don't visit touristic places so I hope to try many others places or stay more in Centro for try to meet non working girls.

Parity Reals / Euros is good and certainly better than Real / US dollars, but it was certainly better there is 4/5 years and must be more fun to our activities

Hope to go back to Rio soon. !

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman;1164524]Every time the board devolves into these drama-filled posts I am left wondering what happened to helpful, updated reviews. /cranky[/QUOTE]You have to remember, the average monger can't afford to go to Rio 6 times a year anymore! I used to fly to Rio for 3 day weekends, thats a thing of the past. Its up the guys who live in Rio to supply us with new updated info because guys like me who go twice a year, don't have the inside scoop.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1164871]You have to remember, the average monger can't afford to go to Rio 6 times a year anymore! I used to fly to Rio for 3 day weekends, thats a thing of the past. Its up the guys who live in Rio to supply us with new updated info because guys like me who go twice a year, don't have the inside scoop.[/QUOTE]I agree. I just get tired of the non-review posts (like this one I guess). I post reviews when I have something new to report.

For the record, I would say that 65 appears to have gotten a decent new crop of girls in the last 3-4 weeks. 502 got new ones but no new stone-cold hotties. Luomo remains weak and MC remains fairly energetic and full of talent. I have only 2nd-hand info on Centaurus. A friend went there and liked the talent, but it's R$440 for 40 mins. R$120 of that is entrada, damn. I went to Cancun about 3 weeks ago and it was totally dead. All of this is consistent with my previous posts.

Week just gone by went to T65, $420 for the hour with 2 beers and 2 juices. Hooked up with a regular, very enjoyable.

Went to one of the 4 bigs casas at Tujuca, R$80 for the hour. Hooked up with a regular, very enjoyable.

Both girls are about the same as far as attractiveness, but do everything that I want and both will come over for freebies. Lets do the maths. Is T65 5. 25 x better than Tijuca? IMHO both experiences were exactly the same. EXACTLY! Think I will spend more time out at Tijuca this week!

Hi Folks!

I'm posting this one in the Rio section (although a general inquiry) because it is the most visited thread, maybe you can tell me if you like to talk about this here or direct me to other sections.

I've been spending holidays of my last two years during wintertime in Pattaya – Thailand.

Which is good and probably still the best value in mongering around. Yet, I got a little fed-up of tiny shy bar girls and I would like to have some hardcore experience with hot Brazilans (cim and anal, both quite rare with cute Thais).

So I am starting gathering information in order to figure out if I can afford it or not. My issue is mainly on budget plan, indeed.

I am addressing this to those who had experience in Pattaya as reference to compare the two and to all familiar with price and rates in Brazil in general.

Talking about numbers, over the last two years I had 2-weeks holiday each time with a budget of roughly 1. 700 euros total, including plane, hotel, shopping and above all sex (1 session per day with 1 girl, generally staying overnight, but sometimes also short time). All without splashing cash in luxury, but without even saving on fun, if you know what I mean.

Now, I know Rio is getting more and more expensive (last year on the Pattaya thread I was reading about people who were considering to make the opposite move, I. E. From Brazil to Thailand, because of that) , but maybe it depends also on how long your holiday lasts and how many sessions per day you have.

I think I could stretch my budget to 2. 000 euros and cut-off here and there, but I think 7/8 sessions spread on 12 day is the minimum I can do to make sense to the journey.

Second issue is about the Brazilian system. Which chance do I have to pick up a beauty, not looking macho, not speaking Portuguese and not even being a disco animal? In other words, I would turn mainly to pros, so which options do I have: is there anything similar to bar girls or go-gos there, or is it all either free-lancers or thermas? Is it possible to take girls into your hotel room without any problem or extra-charge?

Also, I would appreciate a note about safety, because different from me my friends are Pattaya-aficionados I don't think I will ever convince them to make the change, so that I would be travelling alone.

Ok, I guess you got the picture now. Of course, I also am quite flexible to track a different destination than Rio, as long as I am not ending in the middle of nowhere banging a black fat one past her 30s.

Thanks so much to anybody who answer this, guys!

P. S. If you prefer, you can also pm me.

[QUOTE=Sexual Healing; 1165705]Hi Folks!

Talking about numbers, over the last two years I had 2-weeks holiday each time with a budget of roughly 1. 700 euros total, including plane, hotel, shopping and above all sex (1 session per day with 1 girl, generally staying overnight, but sometimes also short time). All without splashing cash in luxury, but without even saving on fun, if you know what I mean.

I think I could stretch my budget to 2. 000 euros and cut-off here and there, but I think 7/8 sessions spread on 12 day is the minimum I can do to make sense to the journey.

[/QUOTE]Everybody does Rio differently, you can get a lot of different opinions on this which is good:

Lets do the math in dollars.

12 days?

2, 800 dollars. minus Airfare of 1, 000 = 1, 800 dollars. minus Lodging of 1, 200 dollars = 600 dollars.

Leaves you 600 dollars for 12 days thats $50 a day for food, booze and pussy. You can't do it.

If it was me I would shorten my stay to 7 days, you would end up with $1, 100 dollars or $157 a day,

2, 800 dollars. minus Airfare of 1, 000 = 1, 800 dollars. minus Lodging of 700 dollars = 1, 100 dollars. $157 a day

For food if you eat very cheaply you can use $57 a day and that leaves you $100 a day for pussy.

In order to stretch you money I would recommend the casas in Centro, there are many posts here about them, they are not all nighters. 1/2 hour sessions I believe.

[QUOTE=Sexual Healing;1165705]I've been spending holidays of my last two years during wintertime in Pattaya – Thailand. Which is good and probably still the best value in mongering around. Yet, I got a little fed-up of tiny shy bar girls and I would like to have some hardcore experience with hot Brazilans (cim and anal, both quite rare with cute Thais).[/QUOTE]I know you are not a party animal but you should try some of the discos. You don't have to pay to get in. You don't have to stay and party. Just go see a girl you like and ask her to come back with you. You don't have to be in there any more than 30 minutes. I can't see myself paying a bar for a girl to leave work. The only time I did a bar girl was when she came to see me after work. And like you said it was the shy shit. I can't take that so I only deal with disco girls for Long Time and Beach Road girls for Short Time.

[QUOTE=Sexual Healing;1165705]I am addressing this to those who had experience in Pattaya as reference to compare the two and to all familiar with price and rates in Brazil in general. Talking about numbers, over the last two years I had 2-weeks holiday each time with a budget of roughly 1. 700 euros total, including plane, hotel, shopping and above all sex (1 session per day with 1 girl, generally staying overnight, but sometimes also short time). All without splashing cash in luxury, but without even saving on fun, if you know what I mean.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1165598]Week just gone by went to T65, $420 for the hour with 2 beers and 2 juices. Hooked up with a regular, very enjoyable.
Went to one of the 4 bigs casas at Tujuca, R$80 for the hour. Hooked up with a regular, very enjoyable. [/QUOTE]Referencing Bubba's fresh off the press post you can see that he paid R$420 for a 60 minute session with 4 drinks included in a place that would be the same as a soapie without the big bathtub and suds. This is equivalent to 8,081 baht, whereas a 90 minute soapie session will cost you 1,600 baht (R$83) on the low end and 2,500 baht (R$129) on the high end.

To be fair, you can see that he did another session for R$80 or 1,539 baht for 60 minutes in a place that would be the same as going to a Pattaya massage parlor and getting extras. I did manage to get extras in a massage parlor a couple of weeks ago for 500 baht (R$26) but it was more like 15 minutes and quiet because as you know other normal patrons are sharing the same room which is divided with curtains.

In Rio a Balcony freelancer will start off at R$400 (7,696 baht) for the night although you may be able to talk her down some. In the discos in Pattaya standard pricing for an all-nighter is 1, 000 baht (R$51).

[QUOTE=Sexual Healing;1165705]Now, I know Rio is getting more and more expensive (last year on the Pattaya thread I was reading about people who were considering to make the opposite move, I. E. From Brazil to Thailand, because of that) , but maybe it depends also on how long your holiday lasts and how many sessions per day you have.[/QUOTE]Brazil has become very expensive and that is why I no longer frequent the country. As you can see from Sangue's explanation a place to stay will cost you at least US$100/day. You can get an equivalent place in Pattaya for US$20/day. My studio apartment in Pattaya is $150 for the whole month with free wifi + electric and water which usually run me an extra $17 if I run the air conditioning a lot. One thing Sangue did not mention was transportation throughout the city. From the airport to Copacabana alone a taxi will cost you at least R$70 (1,346 baht) for the 30 minute ride. In Thailand from the Bangkok airport to Pattaya an hour and a half away will only cost you 1000 baht + 60 for tolls (R$55).

I would be the first person to tell you to try a new place if you have not been in order for you to diversify your portfolio. But in this case it would not be economical for you to choose Rio over Pattaya. In addition I don't think you will have as much fun in Rio because it is no longer as "point-and-click" as it was in the days of Help and Ho Beach; whereas in Pattaya all you have to do is literally walk outside of any given hotel or apartment and there is P4P pussy all around you. For Rio you will have to put a lot of effort into researching the scence and looking at maps to learn your way around in order to find each venue. In Pattaya all you have to do is show up.

As a follow up to my previous post. Both girls will do anything, ANAL, CIM and pretty much anything else. This is one of the benefits of having regulars at certain places. You can get pretty much any service from them you want and I do mean anything!

With all due respect gentlemen.

You are talking in comparison of prices of Rio girls vs Thailand girls.

In my humble opinion there is no comparison between the two.

There is nothing like a garota for stamina, technique, GFE and of course, those amazing curves.

I would pay 10 times more for a garota than a non-assed, skinny, cookie cutter copy, Thai girl.

In my humble opinion

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1165858]In Rio a Balcony freelancer will start off at R$400 (7,696 baht) for the night although you may be able to talk her down some. In the discos in Pattaya standard pricing for an all-nighter is 1, 000 baht (R$51).[/QUOTE]I was there in April, balcony girls started at R150, came down to R100 in some cases, for two hours. Hot ones by the way. Was quoted not much more for the night, but what for, to sleep? Can always call another girl in the a. M, the call girls are reasonably priced. Though I will agree, overall it was much more then I thought Brazil would be, the service was great, and the dollar is so weak you can't expect to get much more for it, at least until the next election hopefully!

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon;1165832]For food if you eat very cheaply you can use $57 a day[/QUOTE]Holy crap SB! Where are you eating? Rio is expensive but you can eat for a lot less than $57 a day. You can eat decent food for a lot less than 57 reals a day even in Copacabana.

[QUOTE=Sexual Healing; 1165705]Hi Folks!

I'm posting this one in the Rio section (although a general inquiry) because it is the most visited thread, maybe you can tell me if you like to talk about this here or direct me to other sections. [/QUOTE]Rio is probably the best place to go for a Brazilian rookie. Other cities are cheaper (except Sao Paulo) but will not have the P4P infrastructure that Rio has.

[QUOTE=Sexual Healing; 1165705]I've been spending holidays of my last two years during wintertime in Pattaya – Thailand.

Which is good and probably still the best value in mongering around. Yet, I got a little fed-up of tiny shy bar girls and I would like to have some hardcore experience with hot Brazilans (cim and anal, both quite rare with cute Thais). [/QUOTE]If you are sick of tiny, shy girls Rio can suit you well. There are many tall girls and they pride themselves on having thick ass. Look at how Brazileiras pose for pictures. The always try to get there butt into the picture. You will find all shades from white to dark black but most will be a pleasing light brown. Almost all will be beautiful and some will have done porn or been in Playboy before you get to them. And they are not at all shy but tigressas in bed. Almost all will give skilled BBBJ and will pound away in different positions daring you to make them come. They seem to have ESP at knowing what you want.

In some ways you will find Rio easier than Pattaya, some ways more difficult. The main difficulty is that Rio is a real city with normal businesses and it happens to have good P4P spread throughout the city. You will not find anything like Walking Street or even Beach Road with bars stacked on top of each other (except maybe Vila Mimosa). I recommend that at least at first you stick to termas. You probably are not crossing an ocean and spending real money on airfare and hotel to have quick sex in a grimy room. Some members here have great experiences in VM and the casa but if all you wanted to do was save money you could go to Thailand or even stay in Europe. I recommend getting some quality GFE and PSE in the Rio termas.

Once you find them the termas will be easier to have a good time in than the Pattaya gogos. Being turned down in one is almost unheard of. From the second you decide to engage a girl it will be like she has had a crush on you for years and just wants to please you. The termas are a lot like Devil's Den but there is no set menu or line-up and you have a lot of time for foreplay before you go to the room. During this before time is when you can negociate what you will expect in the room (anal, CIM, etc). Not all of the girls will do these things but if you ask and they do not want to they will be happy to point out a friend that will. There is also less possessiveness than in a gogo. If you go with a girl more than once she will often suggest friends for you to take the next time. There are no mamasans so you will have to do some asking directly but you have time to do so. On my first trip to Rio I had a girl introduce herself to me as,"Fuck in ass, come in mouth." Naturally I obliged.

I recommend trying to get an apartment in Copacabana near Siquera Campos. This will give you close access to the termas L'uomo and Monte Carlo and close access to the metro which will take you downtown to 4x4. There are other places you can go but honestly on a two week trip you will not need to go anywhere else. I doubt that even if you stayed in just one of those clubs you would have enough time to get to all of the girls you wanted.

[QUOTE=Sexual Healing;1165705]So I am starting gathering information in order to figure out if I can afford it or not. My issue is mainly on budget plan, indeed.[/QUOTE]Here is where the Rio trip gets problematic.

[QUOTE=Sexual Healing; 1165705]I am addressing this to those who had experience in Pattaya as reference to compare the two and to all familiar with price and rates in Brazil in general.

Talking about numbers, over the last two years I had 2-weeks holiday each time with a budget of roughly 1. 700 euros total, including plane, hotel, shopping and above all sex (1 session per day with 1 girl, generally staying overnight, but sometimes also short time). All without splashing cash in luxury, but without even saving on fun, if you know what I mean. [/QUOTE]When you say only one session per day do you mean you only want to have sex once per day? If so your budget issues will not be as bad in Rio as if you wanted to have sex 2-3 times per day. In Thailand if you get a girl overnight you can have sex 2-3 times for your barfine and tip. This will be the same way in Rio if you get freelancer from Balcony. However, if your MO is only once per day you can have a great time in the termas. Although tragically the girls do not wear the minskirts with no underwear like in Pats they typically wear bikinis or lingerie. They are not on stage but mingling so you can grab quite a lot of ass while you are walking around. You can draw out the time before the session and usually after the girl will come back and cuddle with you a bit. Many times I have stayed in the termas all day until closing and then did not need or want a girl to come home with me. Of course I would usually session 2-4 times in that day so YMMV. Although I am a little bit out of date with the prices I believe the Copacabana termas price for entrance+40 minute session is about R$300 or $180 or E$130. 4x4 in centro will be slightly cheaper. There are also some discounts to be had by showing up early (L'uomo) or by taking a session early (4x4) but the selection will not be as good.

[QUOTE=Sexual Healing; 1165705]Now, I know Rio is getting more and more expensive (last year on the Pattaya thread I was reading about people who were considering to make the opposite move, I. E. From Brazil to Thailand, because of that) , but maybe it depends also on how long your holiday lasts and how many sessions per day you have.

I think I could stretch my budget to 2. 000 euros and cut-off here and there, but I think 7/8 sessions spread on 12 day is the minimum I can do to make sense to the journey. [/QUOTE]7/8 sessions over 12 days is not that much. You can save about 20 euros per session at 4x4 by taking a girl before 5PM so you can get these sessions in at a quality place for about 110 euros. 110 x 8 = 880 so let's say 900. I do not know where you are coming from but let's assume 800 euros for air. That only leaves 300 for food and housing. Unless you stayed in a hostel and ate noodles you probably could not swing that but there are budget apartments for about 70 euro per night and you can eat for around 15 euros if you are a light eater and buy your drinks and snacks at the supermarket.

[QUOTE=Sexual Healing;1165705]Second issue is about the Brazilian system. Which chance do I have to pick up a beauty, not looking macho, not speaking Portuguese and not even being a disco animal? In other words, I would turn mainly to pros, so which options do I have: is there anything similar to bar girls or go-gos there, or is it all either free-lancers or thermas? Is it possible to take girls into your hotel room without any problem or extra-charge?[/QUOTE]Apartments will be no problem. Some hotels charge exhorbitant joiner fees.

[QUOTE=Sexual Healing;1165705]Also, I would appreciate a note about safety, because different from me my friends are Pattaya-aficionados I don't think I will ever convince them to make the change, so that I would be travelling alone.[/QUOTE]Don't carry more money than you need to spend and don't stumble around drunk. If you are mugged give up the cash and run away. I have walked all over Copacabana and Centro at all hours and never had any issues except with crooked cab drivers and shit flingers. Things do happen though but rest assured that a tourist getting killed is rare enough to make the news.

[QUOTE=Sexual Healing; 1165705]Ok, I guess you got the picture now. Of course, I also am quite flexible to track a different destination than Rio, as long as I am not ending in the middle of nowhere banging a black fat one past her 30s.

Thanks so much to anybody who answer this, guys!

P. S. If you prefer, you can also pm me. [/QUOTE]I would stick to Rio. It is not Thailand but it has its own unique charm. It will cost you more than Pattaya but it is worth checking out once just to see what you have been missing.

If you are really on a tight budget and only need one session per day or two agencies are a viable option. You should get 2 hours for about R$160 (E$70) including cab fare. These girls can be great but obviously you have to have a little bit of luck since you will not get to interview them before they come over.

[QUOTE=Sexual Healing;1165705]I think I could stretch my budget to 2. 000 euros and cut-off here and there, but I think 7/8 sessions spread on 12 day is the minimum I can do to make sense to the journey.[/QUOTE]Your budget is 2000 Euro.

Your ticket will cost you about 800 Euro, that leaves you with 1200 Euro, equivalent with R$ 2760. With some luck or good contacts you can get a nice apartment in Copacabana at the price of roughly R$80/day. 12 days will cost you R$960. Money for eating on cheap places, drinks, some sight-seeing, transports etc, lets say R$90/day if you do it the cheap way. This will cost you R$1080. Eight short-time (30 minutes) sessions at Centro privês will cost about R$50/session, which makes a total of R$400. That leaves you with R$320.

Conclusion: Yes, it's possible to do it with your budget. However, your budget can break [b]very[/b] easily. Maybe you'll want to visit a terma, session with Balcony girls, go clubbing, eat at Porcão, invite a girl for a nice dinner etc? Maybe you'll end up paying much more for lodging? There is also a risk that you, as a first-time visitor might get rip-offed somehow. It's not fun going on a holiday with such a tight budget. I think you should add 1000 Euro on your budget, or stay at home.

[QUOTE=Viaggiatoro;1165934]I was there in April, balcony girls started at R150, came down to R100 in some cases, for two hours. Hot ones by the way. Was quoted not much more for the night, but what for, to sleep? Can always call another girl in the a. M, the call girls are reasonably priced. Though I will agree, overall it was much more then I thought Brazil would be, the service was great, and the dollar is so weak you can't expect to get much more for it, at least until the next election hopefully![/QUOTE]Girls still can be had in Copa for $150 reais. I was there April this year. I was in Copa 5 times in 2010 and 5 times in 2009 and 2 x in 2008, and I've never paid more than $150-200 reais for a Copa girl. In 2009 I took 2 girls cousins in for $50 reais a piece, and after I banged them they put their party clothes and went to Help. I am still friends with them on Orkut.

Hey Mr Enternational and Edward M, I remeber you from the Thai Forum, how are you guys?

Thank you for detailled replies and to all other users who are joining this topic.

Remember, yet, I entitled this "Rio vs Rest of Brazil" NOT "Rio vs Pattaya".

I know there is no contest between Rio and Patts in therms of hot girls, as there is no contest between Patts and Rio in terms of costs.

So, please forget this and try to help on this other here.

Let's assume that I would drop Thai this year and choose Brazil.

Let's assume also I cannot either blow my budget or shorten my holiday (not worth 1 week only).

This bring us to sad one conclusion for me: aovid Rio.

Your maths lead me to this.

One thing is not throwing money away, another one is worrying about budget.

Can't do that. Can't choose the cheapest accomodation, cheapest food, cheapest girls. See'mon it's holiday!

STILL, I am asking if I can turn anywhere else. I know Rio is unique, but also Brazil is big.

Is there any other city where I can find what Rio offers on a smaller scale?

I mean, I agree with you saying that termas may be ideal for a Brazialin rookie like me.

I also think it is the best way for me to enjoy sex with a pro. It sounds similar to fkk in Germany and I love it.

I love hanging around relaxing for a while, have eye contact with girls, a little chat and a flirt with the one I'm choosing and then straight to action.

I mean, I don't really need to sit on my ass with a beer and a lap dance to turn me on, I don't need to party in disco, I don't need to stroll up and down a walking street all night to catch a cuty in the crowd and I don't even need the girl staying for the night for multiple sessions.

One is fine. I always choose quality over quantity. That's why I'm sick of Pattaya, by yhe way.

My style is more like: day at the beach, evening out for a drink and a bite. 1 session with a garota in termas after dinner, one last drink then I'm happy for the rest of the night and ready to go to sleep like a baby. That's me.

NOW, what I am asking is: are termas only in Rio? Is this option available in a city on the coast other than Rio, where life can be cheaper?

No termas in Fortaleza, Recife, or Salvador?

With 2800 dollars I would cut the trip to 5 days. Its better to blow it all in 5 then be a miser over 10 days.

I will be doing a report on my latest Rio rampage soon. The thing is, I fucked so many pretty tutes in the ass that, following my own advice, I think it would be more appropriate for me to post in the "anal connoisseurs" section versus here. I just wanted to alert you Rio lovers to look for it since that section is not the first place people would look to read about the "marvelous city". There will be plenty of pictures plus some commentary on the current scene, focusing mainly on the termas.

[QUOTE=Edward M;1165935]Holy crap SB! Where are you eating? Rio is expensive but you can eat for a lot less than $57 a day. You can eat decent food for a lot less than 57 reals a day even in Copacabana.[/QUOTE]LOL, I'm sure you're right and I need to learn how to eat in those places. I'm still eating as if I'm getting 4 reais to the dollar and I'm not anymore. My last trip I spent a ton of money eating out so I have to start getting myself on a new budget in line with the realities of Rio.

If you are BBBJ lover, then stick to Rio. I find in recent years, Patty gogo girls and disco freelancers, especially nicer ones perform less and less BBBJ as compared before (nicer one in Patty is getting harder to find as compared to years ago) , in recent 2 years I and my friends combined experienced less than half girls give BBBJ in Patty. Many gogo bars now you will have to pay in advance 600+1500 (dancing girls 2000 bahts up) plus drinks and LDs, such as the 2 Baby shops, you pay in advance without knowing what will turn out, and some gogo or freelancers would only go to short time hotel if your hotel too far. Really have attitude problem.

You can easily pay over 100 USD per ST and get a lousy service in Thailand now. If you are on short trip with limited budget and hoping for good service, I would stick to Rio termas. Absolutely no problem getting a performer, especially good BBBJ from termas, and pay under 100USD for multiple shots. My personal stats from termas is almost 90% give nice to super BBBJ.

If you have more budget, and on a short trip and want guaranteed service and quality, fly to Macau, Macau saunas is still my favorite whenever I can afford to splurge.

[QUOTE=Sexual Healing;1165705]Yet, I got a little fed-up of tiny shy bar girls and I would like to have some hardcore experience with hot Brazilans (cim and anal, both quite rare with cute Thais).[/QUOTE]And if you want some GOOD anal, Brazil absolutely cannot be beat for BEST in anal service in the ENTIRE world! It's a nation infatuated with the "popozuda" (a big butt girl). When I come to Brazil, I do lots of girls and have never failed to take less than 70% of them in the ass. No lie. The closest other destination is Germany where I take 40% up the butt at the FKKs (mostly eastern Europeans).

Plenty here can confirm for you that in a terma many garotas will just walk right up to you and asked to get butt fucked. I like the brancas (white girls) and the morenas (light caramel to brown sugar girls). Interestingly enough, I have a much harder time finding morenas that I am attracted to who will let me "analize" them right off the bat no questions asked versus the white girls. I walk into a terma and the blondes seem to KNOW what I want! Hahaha!

I don't even hardly "hunt" for it any more in a terma. They come to me and request to be slammed right up the arsehole like putas. If I like her and she turns me on, I go with her. If she doesn't do it for me, then I don't go, and I wait for the next one to step to me. I only become the hunter when I see EXACTLY what I want . . . the right hair, face, smile, teeth, titties, buttocks cheeks, skin tone . . . that's when you as the monger need to step to it before another monger does. GOD I LOVE Brazil!

[QUOTE=Sexual Healing;1166034]Is there any other city where I can find what Rio offers on a smaller scale?[/QUOTE]That depends on what you mean by "what Rio offers." If you mean pussy in abundance, the answer is yes. You can find pussy in abundance anywhere in Brazil, probably even in small provincial towns (I am basing that on reports I have read in the Brazil forum; no first hand experience). If you mean Rio's charm, the answer is no; in that respect Rio is unique. Probably your best second choice would be Salvador, which IMHO is the quintessential Brazilian city. It has a great deal of charm and an authentic Afro-Brazilian culture, and-oh yes-pussy in abundance. However, you won't find anywhere near the variety of physical types you will in Rio; the girls will nearly all be black or mulata, which is fine with me.

[QUOTE=Sexual Healing; 1166034]I mean, I agree with you saying that termas may be ideal for a Brazialin rookie like me.

I also think it is the best way for me to enjoy sex with a pro. It sounds similar to fkk in Germany and I love it. [/QUOTE]They are almost exactly like the FKKs in Germany, with some minor differences. In the FKKs the girls are naked, whereas in the termas they usually wear a bikini-like costume. The termas girls are far less aggressive than the FKK girls. FKK girls rarely DFK, while in the termas all of them do. In the FKKs you have to pay extra for CIM and anal, whereas in the termas everything is included in the girl charge. In the termas the girls will hang with you and sometimes let you cop a feel or DFK them right in the boite; in the FKK, never. And the termas girls may hang with you for a while even without a guarantee that you'll take them to the cabine or suite, or even after the cabine. In the FKKs, no, they are all looking for the quick turnover and don't waste time on anything else. But they are both alike in that you can spend several hours there passing your time, nursing a drink, and enjoying watching the girls.

[QUOTE=Sexual Healing;1166034]No termas in Fortaleza, Recife, or Salvador?[/QUOTE]There are definitely termas in Salvador. I went to one called "Special Relax" where there was an excellent selection of garotas. But that was years ago, so I don't even know if it's still there. Just ask a taxi driver to take you to where the girls are.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1166232]For the record, the other board that is being referred to is pretty much dead now. There were so many arguments, of which The Cane and Kid Cisco were directly involved in, that nobody bothers to post there anymore. I banned myself from that site, just got sick of the idiocy that was going on.[/QUOTE]You fail to mention why there were arguments. The reason why you and your cronies are over here is because you could no longer do what you were doing over there. Other people demanded to be respected as members of the community too, but you all couldn't seem to do that. So you came over here, and it was good riddance. That happened YEARS ago. ET's banishment was much more recent, and for something totally unrelated to all of that.

I am a member in good standing in both places, and that's the way it's going to remain. So, if you want to start some childish bullshit after all of this time, then you go right ahead Bubba Boy, and I'll let Jackson deal with it. I don't have the time for it. The one always starting things is YOU, just like you have done now with your unnecessary, misleading post. Save it!

The truth is that the other place did quite well for a very, very, VERY long time after you left, and it's only in recent times that things have slowed down there. And it has absolutely NOTHING to do with what you say it does. The truth is that it seems that after Help closed, things really started to drop off over there as there were some big Help fans on that site. Also, I think a lot of the guys over there just aren't traveling due to a weak dollar and hard economic times. Now, the leading discussion over there is about a Burger King opening up in Copa! Please!

I'm over here now because this is where the action is. People are still reporting and posting pics on ISG, and that's exactly what I'm going to do too. Also, I think there is a very fitting special interest section over here for what went down during my most recent trip. Now excuse me. I have some more pictures to crop of my "princessas brancas" . . . heads down, arms back, palms up, and big, round asses jacked way up in the air ready for plunder!

By the way. . . GREAT GUIDE Bubby! All that info and that street map comes in very, very handy! There's always something new to be experienced/learned during each and every trip! Obrigado!

Maybe so James Howard. How about you tell it to the Pope? Better yet, tell it to Jackson. Maybe some other guys will kiss your ass around here, but you better believe I'm not going to. I WILL take your free guides and maps though. LOL! You've been reported to the webmaster for your unprovoked harassment. Keep it up, and next time you won't have to ban yourself. Somebody will do it for you. And you have the nerve to talk about "idiocy". I won't respond to your bullshit again. I'll just send it to Jackson. Ta ta!

[QUOTE=The Cane; 1166093]Plenty here can confirm for you that in a terma many garotas will just walk right up to you and asked to get butt fucked.
[/QUOTE]LOL. Very true. At MC, I had a one garota run up to me, introduce herself, and say,"You can fuck my ass!" Also, in the rooms, complimenting the woman's bunda will usually get you the cu. Often, I hear..."Voce quer?"

[QUOTE=Amerioca;1166291]LOL. Very true. At MC, I had a one garota run up to me, introduce herself, and say,"You can fuck my ass!" Also, in the rooms, complimenting the woman's bunda will usually get you the cu. Often, I hear..."Voce quer?"[/QUOTE]Just wait until I tell you what happened at Termas 502. First time I went, and it was wild. I need to finish reviewing and resizing all of my pics first. But for now, just remember this . . . Black Label: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Black_Label2.JPG[/url]. I'll explain later. Like I said, there was so much butt fucking (almost every girl this trip) that maybe I better tell it in the "Anal Connoisseurs" section.

Got free pussy at Club 22 in Rio. Used American Express Card Apr 2011, and they overcharged it. I want 30 mins. And they charged me for an hour. Amex just gave me full credit today. So use Amex card as bait and let the termas overcharge you and get credit through disputing the charge. The termas is not going to say we sold him pussy.

[QUOTE=Littletruths; 1166449]Were you to stop telling everybody that your dad could beat their dads up in a fistfight, that'd also help improve the situation. That's a lot of talk man, post some pictures, post a report and that's it.

Bless[/QUOTE]I have, and I will. Yeah, talk is cheap . . . people said the same shit in the other place. . . I have the second most viewed Rio report EVER over there after the "Pictures" thread, which is the mother of all Rio threads, at least over there. I'm here now. Be patient.

[QUOTE=The Cane;1166451]I have, and I will. Yeah, talk is cheap . . . people said the same shit in the other place. . . I have the second most viewed Rio report EVER over there after the "Pictures" thread, which is the mother of all Rio threads, at least over there. I'm here now. Be patient.[/QUOTE]Don't assume everybody cares what people were up to and what are they known for in other places. I, for one, do not care about any of that, and expecially don't care who you guys are cool or not cool with. I don't even know what other forum you refer to and neither do I care to find out. All I care for on here is the valuable info, the pictures and the occasional conversation / fun. I just meant to point out how the valuable time and effort you're putting into rambling about dunnowhat could have been put in towards the realization and posting of your own report, that you have let be known is on its way.

Bless

[QUOTE=Littletruths; 1166461]Don't assume everybody cares what people were up to and what are they known for in other places. I, for one, do not care about any of that, and expecially don't care who you guys are cool or not cool with. I don't even know what other forum you refer to and neither do I care to find out. All I care for on here is the valuable info, the pictures and the occasional conversation / fun. I just meant to point out how the valuable time and effort you're putting into rambling about dunnowhat could have been put in towards the realization and posting of your own report, that you have let be known is on its way.

Bless[/QUOTE]I do. A lot of guys here have, or have had, accounts in both places and know exactly what the deal is. We don't mention the other place here by name because it's forbidden for us to do so. And I agree that energies could best be spent elsewhere. That's what I want too.

I had no desire whatsoever for things to go this way. But knowing what I know, I fully expected it, and was ready. Guys like you don't know what to believe, and as you say, don't care. I guess I would be the same way.

It's just that I'm not about to just sit back and do absolutely nothing and let angry recriminations resurfacing from the past be used for character assassination.

The moderator over here runs a pretty tight ship. If they keep it up . . . I'm confident he will put a stop to it. He's done it before over this very same matter. This doesn't serve anybody's interests here at all.

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill;1166442]Great, until they break your legs.[/QUOTE]Well their greed is the issue, and the Brazilian laws work for Brazilians. American Express is how a travel for the protection. So if they take credit cards, a business better know that over pricing gringos will end up costing them. The poor 20 year old who sacrificed her mouth, pussy and anus is the one who took it for her team. I am sure when I walled into Club 22 the outcome would be what happen, especially when the cashier said no receipt for lack of paper. I said ok,"The ass and drinks are on the house then", me being confident that calls from Amex would intimidate them to be unresponsive. Fuck Club 22, I would not be going there again.

well, first of all, let me just say that the one thing i took away from two pages below of e-peen stroking was: there's a burger king opening in copa? do tell!

anyway, went to mc last night around 9pm right after leaving work. free entrada. yay me for racking up $$$ during churroman's visit. one night we spent about r$1200 there and on the way out, the manager chased us down with free monte carlo t-shirts. i've debated giving them to working girls who sleep over and ask me for a camisa lol. too close to home i think.

so i rock up in to the boate and. wham. there is a gal-pal of mine who used to work at t65 until about 3-4 weeks ago and made a lot of noise about leaving and going to sao paolo. but now she is there. looking good too. but when she comes over for r$200 for a few hours, hard to pay to do her at mc prices. i try to hang out at the bar and relax a bit. some ugly new chick sort of harasses me for not wanting to sit down. i try to explain i've been sitting all day at work but she just gets pissy. why is it always the fugly ones?

mix was pretty good at mc still. again, more new faces in past 2 weeks. good vibe. maybe 30+ girls? 10 guys? there was one thin, tall black girl with afro-hair who i nearly pulled. but then i was approached by a tall think morena with fake boobies who i hadn't seen before. she started there 2 weeks ago. brenda. apparently worked at centaurus a year ago, then had some fling with a swiss guy that almost ended in marriage but instead broke apart (shocker!) , and now she's at mc. we chatted for a bit and she seemed nice. so i moved in with my usual questions about what she likes in the room. can i come in your mouth?"no" (phrased as "i don't really like it. do you have any health problems?"). can i fuck your bunda?"no i don't like it" (arg!) do you suck deep?"yes". at this point, the clock is ticking (because my gal-pal above wants to come stay with me after her shift) , so i'm like, ok let's go. ignoring all the warning signs. i really only have myself to blame.

40 min session. lame kissing, no passion. nice body except i can see the scars under her fake boobies. i hate that. decent bj but not slobberingly deep. she has a nice trimmed coochie so i want to have a closer look. and then the smell hits me. hm, someone didn't douche before our session. dang. nasty. very tight fuck but no passion at all, mechanical. she won't look at me at all. keeps watching herself in the mirror or looking away. total turn off. i sort of soften up and she wants to blow me again. doing so, she bites my left nut. it feels like being punched in the balls and i hop away. she's like "did i hurt you?" yes, you bad quality hooker you bit my balls! i make some excuses about being tired and we end the session. on the way out, i tell the manger that it was pretty bad and, let's just say i'm not going to repeat. i didn't want to throw this chick under the bus, but she sucked.

saving grace: only r$269 because of my free entrance, r$260 for the 40 min session and i think r$9 chopp for my gal-pal. will head back later in the week for a try at someone else.

ps gal-pal paid back her r$9 chopp in spades later that night.

-cartman

[quote=eric cartman; 1166636]well, first of all, let me just say that the one thing i took away from two pages below of e-peen stroking was: there's a burger king opening in copa? do tell!

anyway, went to mc last night around 9pm right after leaving work. free entrada. yay me for racking up $$$ during churroman's visit. one night we spent about r$1200 there and on the way out, the manager chased us down with free monte carlo t-shirts. i've debated giving them to working girls who sleep over and ask me for a camisa lol. too close to home i think.

so i rock up in to the boate and. wham. there is a gal-pal of mine who used to work at t65 until about 3-4 weeks ago and made a lot of noise about leaving and going to sao paolo. but now she is there. looking good too. but when she comes over for r$200 for a few hours, hard to pay to do her at mc prices. i try to hang out at the bar and relax a bit. some ugly new chick sort of harasses me for not wanting to sit down. i try to explain i've been sitting all day at work but she just gets pissy. why is it always the fugly ones?

mix was pretty good at mc still. again, more new faces in past 2 weeks. good vibe. maybe 30+ girls? 10 guys? there was one thin, tall black girl with afro-hair who i nearly pulled. but then i was approached by a tall think morena with fake boobies who i hadn't seen before. she started there 2 weeks ago. brenda. apparently worked at centaurus a year ago, then had some fling with a swiss guy that almost ended in marriage but instead broke apart (shocker!) , and now she's at mc. we chatted for a bit and she seemed nice. so i moved in with my usual questions about what she likes in the room. can i come in your mouth?"no" (phrased as "i don't really like it. do you have any health problems?"). can i fuck your bunda?"no i don't like it" (arg!) do you suck deep?"yes". at this point, the clock is ticking (because my gal-pal above wants to come stay with me after her shift) , so i'm like, ok let's go. ignoring all the warning signs. i really only have myself to blame.

40 min session. lame kissing, no passion. nice body except i can see the scars under her fake boobies. i hate that. decent bj but not slobberingly deep. she has a nice trimmed coochie so i want to have a closer look. and then the smell hits me. hm, someone didn't douche before our session. dang. nasty. very tight fuck but no passion at all, mechanical. she won't look at me at all. keeps watching herself in the mirror or looking away. total turn off. i sort of soften up and she wants to blow me again. doing so, she bites my left nut. it feels like being punched in the balls and i hop away. she's like "did i hurt you?" yes, you bad quality hooker you bit my balls! i make some excuses about being tired and we end the session. on the way out, i tell the manger that it was pretty bad and, let's just say i'm not going to repeat. i didn't want to throw this chick under the bus, but she sucked.

saving grace: only r$269 because of my free entrance, r$260 for the 40 min session and i think r$9 chopp for my gal-pal. will head back later in the week for a try at someone else.

ps gal-pal paid back her r$9 chopp in spades later that night.

-cartman[/quote]i'm sorry, but that's about the funniest thing i've ever read! next time, maybe have a grande chopp before the session, just to lessen the pain? long live the b-king. then you can get some take out and bring it to mc, present it to a girl and tell her to "shove your whopper in her mouth". i hope the dream comes true.

Per a posting on another website, the closed Alhambra Restaurant, at the corner of Av Atlantica and rua Almirante de Goncalves, has construction signage posted, stating that renovations are being made for a Burger King there.

Also per the other site, there is renewed construction activity at the old Help location.

[QUOTE=Java Man; 1166692]Per a posting on another website, the closed Alhambra Restaurant, at the corner of Av Atlantica and rua Almirante de Goncalves, has construction signage posted, stating that renovations are being made for a Burger King there.

Also per the other site, there is renewed construction activity at the old Help location. [/QUOTE]I've heard Wendy's are coming as well! Rio is becoming a Gourmet paradise!

[QUOTE=Beach Star;1166809]I've heard Wendy's are coming as well! Rio is becoming a Gourmet paradise![/QUOTE]You're damn right! There are several American « restaurants » througout Brazil and in Rio, in particular.

I am aware of a Subway in São Paulo (in Moema) ; in fact, the Moema Applebbe's was the first one in Brazil (in 2005) ; now there is even an Applebee's in the Shopping New York City Center in Barra the Tijuca, since 2007.

We could also mention:

1) Starbucks: Shopping Leblon, in Leblon; Barra de Tijuca in Shopping Downtown and in Botafogo (Shopping Rio Sul and Shopping Praia Botafogo).

2) Pizza Hut: one in Copacabana (Rua Francisco Otaviano) and two in Barra de Tijuca (Parque das Rosas and New York Barra Shopping)

3) Burger King (in Brazil since 2004) : (In Rio since 2006) Bangu Shopping; Barra Shopping; Shopping Via brasil, Shopping Downtown, Shopping Norte; Iguatemi Shopping and there's also a location on Rua São José, still in Rio.

4) KFC was in Brazil since the beginning of the 60's but most of the oulets closed down. Now there are several in Rio de Janeiro (for example the one located on Presidente Vargas was inaugurated in 2009). You can also find PFK in Barra de Tijuca, Norte Shopping and Ipanema.

5) Dunkin Donuts closed down their franchises in 2005, after 21 years in Brazil. The former Dunkin Donuts were converted in Café Donuts. The Rio Café Donuts are located in Norte Shopping, Iguatemi Shopping; Barra Shopping; Ilha Plaza; Shopping Tijuca.

6) Hooters: I know there's one in Vila Olimpia (São Paulo) but I've heard that the're planning to open new locations before 2014 (especially in Rio)

If they open a Krispy Kream in Brazil, then they would be ready for the Olympics!

[QUOTE=Sui Generis;1166859]You're damn right! There are several American « restaurants » througout Brazil and in Rio, in particular.[/QUOTE]The only interesting contribution is Hooters. That must be a sight, a brazilian Hooters.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1166864]The only interesting contribution is Hooters. That must be a sight, a brazilian Hooters.[/QUOTE]Well, maybe they will have more chance if they change the concept of the chain in order to honour one of the natural beauty of Brazil : Booters!

[url]http://www.hootersbrasil.com.br/site2/[/url]

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1166866]Well, maybe they will have more chance if they change the concept of the chain in order to honour one of the natural beauty of Brazil : Booters!

[url]http://www.hootersbrasil.com.br/site2/[/url][/QUOTE]Anybody fancy investing in my new restaurant chain?. "Bundas"

Can anyone help me out and tell me where I can get cipro and azithro without a prescription? I know recently you needed to have a prescription. I heard there were places in the suburbs. Help please!.)

Viper10

[QUOTE=Viper10; 1166904]Can anyone help me out and tell me where I can get cipro and azithro without a prescription? I know recently you needed to have a prescription. I heard there were places in the suburbs. Help please.)

Viper10[/QUOTE]I know many pharmacies in Copa started to demand prescriptions fro antibiotics etc. However there is one pharmacy close to ex-Help/Othon Palace which doesn't seem to be strict at all. Pharmacy Tambaú on Miguel Lemos. Between Galeto the Miguel (which BTW has cheap and good galeto-meals) and Restaurant Mônaco (which has delicious sandwiches with carne asada).

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1167035]I hope one doesn't need to eat hamburgers (the real ones) with a condom on his tongue! In such a case BB has to be strongly recommended.[/QUOTE]Maybe American fast food joints in Brazil aren't all bad! I got a working girl's telephone number at a McDonald's the last time I was in Rio. I couldn't be 100% certain she was a working girl, but I was pretty darn sure. She had the look, including a kick ass body and some mean/nasty, very visible tattoos. And besides, she was in the part of Copa where one might expect to find tutes out on patrol.

I was waiting for my order when she came up behind me and asked, "Is this the line?" I told her yes and checked her body out. Concluded quickly she was on the stroll. My order came, and I proceeded to go find a table to sit down and eat. After she had her order, she chose a table right next to mine where she could sit facing me. "Americano?", she asked. I answered yes, but then didn't pay her any more mind. I noticed that she seemed to be checking me out using the mirror on the opposite wall.

She finished her meal before I did, then walked past me back towards the counter. I figured she was going to order something else. When she came back, she stopped at my table with her name and telephone number written on the back of her receipt. "Here's my number. Call me." She had gone to the counter to get something to write with. Now, if only she had been my type! She wasn't. I guess that's why I didn't pay her much attention. But, she could have been somebody's! I tossed her number when I go back to my hotel room.

[QUOTE=The Cane;1167176]After she had her order, she chose a table right next to mine where she could sit facing me. "Americano?", she asked. "Here's my number. Call me." .[/QUOTE]Yeah, nothing is like a Mc Do abroad to chase impoverished pussy and 2nd world gold diggers. Congratulations for your game. (smilie)

[QUOTE=The Cane;1167176]Maybe American fast food joints in Brazil aren't all bad!------, she stopped at my table with her name and telephone number written on the back of her receipt. "Here's my number. Call me.".[/QUOTE]Nice story.

Summing it up, the equation is "Going to McDonald? Bring your own condom!"

See? I was (nearly) right! LOL.

Got to love those uenxpected hooks up.

Never happened to me, but many years agom, in a So. Ca. Mexican restaurant I was having lunch with (young) collegue and a girl nearby ketp on staring at him. When laving she dropped him a piece of paper with her numer and name. (She was no WG, by all means, just a nice and not shy girl)

He just propositioned his future wife at that time so he ignored the opportunity.

Now that he is about to divorce and regretting the choice on wife, I told him,"maybe that girl could have been a better wife".

[QUOTE=Sperto;1167029]I know many pharmacies in Copa started to demand prescriptions fro antibiotics etc. However there is one pharmacy close to ex-Help/Othon Palace which doesn't seem to be strict at all. Pharmacy Tambaú on Miguel Lemos. Between Galeto the Miguel (which BTW has cheap and good galeto-meals) and Restaurant Mônaco (which has delicious sandwiches with carne asada).[/QUOTE]This is a good one. I recommend never starting a trip without access to antibios and vitamins. Never know when you might catch something or wear out the tool. The places below aren't strict at all; cipro, Vitamins V&C, amox are available. I restock my mongering kit in Rio for going to the those other countries that are strict and here's where I do it. You just hand them a piece of paper with the name and quantity on it, even if you speak Portuguese. I think they don't want to have a discussion about it without someone whom they think can't speak any Porto, so they fill the order no questions asked. .

Copa: Drogaria right by Siqueria Campos Metro station.

Centro: Drogaria Pachecho on Ave Rio Branco near Carioca station.

Centro: Sao Paulo pharmacy on Presidente Vargas near the intersection with Rio Branco. Same side as Windsor Guanabara hotel.

Centro: Pachecho on Rua Uruguania shopping district, south of Pres. Vargas.

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca;1166548]Well their greed is the issue, and the Brazilian laws work for Brazilians. American Express is how a travel for the protection. So if they take credit cards, a business better know that over pricing gringos will end up costing them. The poor 20 year old who sacrificed her mouth, pussy and anus is the one who took it for her team. I am sure when I walled into Club 22 the outcome would be what happen, especially when the cashier said no receipt for lack of paper. I said ok,"The ass and drinks are on the house then", me being confident that calls from Amex would intimidate them to be unresponsive. Fuck Club 22, I would not be going there again.[/QUOTE]I think the best arrangement is to find a girl you like there in the bar, and try to get her to meet you after work. The girls leave early most nights, like before midnight. Until you posted this, I thought that SlimHoleDrill and I were the only ISGers that actually session at the place. Lots of people go in, but most don't do the girls. 22 has to be one of the most crooked in Rio, they even try to overcharge me when I've come there multiple nights. However, some of the short-timer girls that come to work there to get their debt payment money, Prada purse money, or whatever are truly GFE. You can sometimes find a girl there that is not jaded, and totally real. I'm not sure how they find them, but some seem to be new to the biz and really down to earth compared with almost all other casa/termas/boite girls in Rio

I was barebacking a short timer girl in there last year who was a real sweetheart. If I could take her to EUA with me, I would have. The girl was the kind that pulls your hips to get you into her pussy at the pace she likes, and was trying to lick my tonsils the whole time, slippery pussy from the start, taking cum in mouth and cum in pussy very naturally like she means it. But every night on the way out the mama would try to charge me for drinks that I never bought. I felt that it was just like a dichotomy that the girl was laying her ass on the line (most literally) in the backroom and giving a real honest old school lay, and then mama was pulling con-artist scams at the front desk. Felt bad for the girl, because if they treat customers like this I can imagine they also fuck the girls over, and this particular one was really giving it her all, with uncommon work ethic. So she comes to work at this place and is risking getting sick because either this is how she needs it, or this is what she thinks is required, but working for a bunch of assholes who have no respect for anyone, not even customers. And then she gets only half the money. It's unfortunate. But this being a hohouse, its a seedy biz and we expect this type of behavior. I never use a charge card at these places. I pay cash. At Bar 22, if they try to load the tab, gringo tax me on the entrada, etc, I do call them on it. I pay the fair price (R15 entrada including 3 beers, 100R/40 minutos) and walk out, no one bothers me. Ethics aside, it's the culture there to take advantage of the other person whenever you can, so you can't blame them for trying. 90% of gringos coming into 22 probably get shafted and never dispute the charges. You are probably the exceptional person who knows the game. So they lost money on you, they still make money on the other 90% who pay it and don't dispute.

I have been having luck with the prive girls. They only work like 10 to 6pm, hence have the evenings off. If you screen the ones with 1) No kids 2) No boyfriend: it is relatively easy. There are like 50 decent prives in Rio. Lots and lots of choice, bound to find one you like in short time. The price of a TD (test drive) is only R$50. R$60 for 30 mins, although I usually take the hour which is R$80 to R$100. Anal can be extra at the best places, but once you see them a few times they have always thrown it in as a freebie for me. Once I have seen a girl maybe 2 or 3 times I know if there is any chance of a getting them to come over for free. They are not shy, will tell you very quickly if they really like you. You need to leverage this when you find it. They invite themselves, I never invite them.

For some one like myself who is in bed by say midnight, I like to see prive girls for dinner, a good boning, good sleep then kick them out before 9am so I have the day to myself (They have to be at work by 10am, so another plus here!). I never pay a girl to stay with me in my bed. Not so much to save the cash because with dinner etc you don't save much. More for the true GFE no money changes hands. Most prive girls that I see tend to be students! Terma girls tend to have very unsocial hours, doesn't work anymore for me.

For anyone that doesn't know what a prive is. It is a small brothel, normally in a commercial building. There are tons of them in Centro, normally they same building. Some are very nice, same rooms or better than the most expensive Termas, some are average. The bigger ones have maybe 12 girls on, the smaller ones maybe 4. The ultra cheap ones are shitty!

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1167249]I think the best arrangement is to find a girl you like there in the bar, and try to get her to meet you after work. The girls leave early most nights, like before midnight. Until you posted this, I thought that SlimHoleDrill and I were the only ISGers that actually session at the place. Lots of people go in, but most don't do the girls. 22 has to be one of the most crooked in Rio, they even try to overcharge me when I've come there multiple nights. However, some of the short-timer girls that come to work there to get their debt payment money, Prada purse money, or whatever are truly GFE. You can sometimes find a girl there that is not jaded, and totally real. I'm not sure how they find them, but some seem to be new to the biz and really down to earth compared with almost all other casa / termas / boite girls in Rio.

I was barebacking a short timer girl in there last year who was a real sweetheart. If I could take her to EUA with me, I would have. The girl was the kind that pulls your hips to get you into her pussy at the pace she likes, and was trying to lick my tonsils the whole time, slippery pussy from the start, taking cum in mouth and cum in pussy very naturally like she means it. But every night on the way out the mama would try to charge me for drinks that I never bought. I felt that it was just like a dichotomy that the girl was laying her ass on the line (most literally) in the backroom and giving a real honest old school lay, and then mama was pulling con-artist scams at the front desk. Felt bad for the girl, because if they treat customers like this I can imagine they also fuck the girls over, and this particular one was really giving it her all, with uncommon work ethic. So she comes to work at this place and is risking getting sick because either this is how she needs it, or this is what she thinks is required, but working for a bunch of assholes who have no respect for anyone, not even customers. And then she gets only half the money. It's unfortunate. But this being a hohouse, its a seedy biz and we expect this type of behavior. I never use a charge card at these places. I pay cash. At Bar 22, if they try to load the tab, gringo tax me on the entrada, etc, I do call them on it. I pay the fair price (R15 entrada including 3 beers. 100R / 40 minutos) and walk out, no one bothers me. Ethics aside, it's the culture there to take advantage of the other person whenever you can, so you can't blame them for trying. 90% of gringos coming into 22 probably get shafted and never dispute the charges. You are probably the exceptional person who knows the game. So they lost money on you, they still make money on the other 90% who pay it and don't dispute. [/QUOTE]Puta Playa, you described it to a tee. The girls was kinda green or amateurish. Young mother in school type, late teens early 20s with no tattoos. She performed like a lover. She even gave me a phone number. I am sure she knows the operation thought. With portuguese speakers they will talk "it's gringo time" in my cash register voice. But she said she will be there for a short time. She even sat with me my entire time after the session until her food arrived. She never asked for a drink. When I decided to leave, I saw her sitting near momma eating at the register. I've session enough to tell the new GFE types.

But I was there for this past Easter weekend and Monte Carlo was closed for some reason my entire 10 days in Rio. A typical street guy told me to go into 22. I knew where it was and usually avoided it. He brought me in. I was curious. He even took me to some apartments at Junior Prado and Ave. Atlantica. I saw one doable thick and young morena. But it was seedy local style. But it was 24/7 with different girls.

I use Amex plastic in these places because I do not want to flash money. Plus they figure he has no cash to steal with plastic. But with AMEX there is a great dispute system. In my 15 trips to RIo, this is the only time I disputed a charge. I am sure AMEX intimidated 22, so they didn't respond to the dispute investigation. But thanks for your response PP!

[QUOTE=The Cane; 1167176]Maybe American fast food joints in Brazil aren't all bad! I got a working girl's telephone number at a McDonald's the last time I was in Rio. I couldn't be 100% certain she was a working girl, but I was pretty darn sure.

[/QUOTE]Is there any other way of getting a working girls telephone number without going to Mcdonalds?

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1167278]@Cane: this forum is about putas, not about us.[/QUOTE]Let's all be about it then! If it's about the putas, then let's let it be about the putas and not about you, us, me, or any member here. You haven't seen me in all the time I've been a member here (years) come and attack anybody. And Jackson himself knows that. I'm here to talk about the putas just like anybody else.

This is a perfect example of the kind of "monger snobbery" that can exist in these forums. The guys that live in a place or are there all the time think they're better than everybody else. They don't have to follow the rules. Or so they think. It's the exact same thing that was going on in the other place. Nobody here is eligible to receive a free pass for violating the rules. I don't care how much they think they have contributed. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely!

For Bubba Boy's edification, I happen to still be on the road. Which means that I can't work on things the way I want to. That will come to an end soon. And then, on my time schedule and not his . . . . In the meantime, if it's about the putas, then let's keep it about the putas! And for your edification, I didn't attack him. HE attacked me with his IGNORANT assertions that I'm Kid Cisco, among other things. I have every right to defend myself. And I will. That hardly falls into the category of flaming.

As for Sperto, I never said a damn thing to him to start anything. I don't know any "Sperto". He may have helped 10,000 people with his guides, but that's no free pass for him to start in on anybody without any provocations towards him whatsoever. If you want to kiss his ass, though, knock yourself out. And ET, well, I don't have to say anything else! I bet it feels great to have the heat being placed on somebody else in here other than yourself for a change huh?

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1166895]Yes I like it.

An hamburger is like anal sex afterall: a piece of meat between two buns. [/QUOTE][QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1167278]I have to say, this is one of the most interesting posts that I've seen in ISG / Rio. The concept of taking an aparto girl private is uncommon.

Where do you take them to dinner? What do those girls expect?

[b]@Cane[/b]: this is about finding the best putas at the least cost, not about insults. Bubba Boy is a senior guy in this thread and has taken his personal time to maintain an invaluable guide that leads to many noobs realizing their dreams down in Rio, at no benefit to himself. Wrong guy to attack. [/QUOTE]I've only been a member for a few months but I do find cane's posts quite annoying. I am tryning to get as much info as possible for my trip and I find it annoying that you are starting a lot of shit for no reason. I'm trying to weed through all the bullshit posts and reading yurs is just wasting my time We don't need Internet tuff talk on here. On being here a couple of months I've found bubbas posts and guide very helpful. I plan to follow his guide to the T. Cane, do you have any reports out there that will help us newbies out? Cause I would like to read those instead of all this bullshit your posting.

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca; 1167280]Puta Playa, you described it to a tee. The girls was kinda green or amateurish. Young mother in school type, late teens early 20s with no tattoos. She performed like a lover. She even gave me a phone number. I am sure she knows the operation thought. With portuguese speakers they will talk "it's gringo time" in my cash register voice. But she said she will be there for a short time. She even sat with me my entire time after the session until her food arrived. She never asked for a drink. When I decided to leave, I saw her sitting near momma eating at the register. I've session enough to tell the new GFE types.

I use Amex plastic in these places because I do not want to flash money. Plus they figure he has no cash to steal with plastic. But with AMEX there is a great dispute system. In my 15 trips to RIo, this is the only time I disputed a charge. I am sure AMEX intimidated 22, so they didn't respond to the dispute investigation. But thanks for your response PP! [/QUOTE]I have to second that on AMEX. If you're out traveling in 2nd world places like Brasil and people screw you over, they will make it right. But the idea of no cash to steal, I am not sure about that. There are numerous reports of favelados making people drive around and take ATM money, cash advances at the threat of bodily harm. Not fun, cause this is time when we could have been mongering instead of being mugged. . What I do is carry a wallet with enough cash to make a mugger happy, like R50. The rest is stashed elsewhere. In Copa, I don't see a security problem. It is safer than the cities in EUA where I go. But I spend most of my time in Centro walking around at night, so understand your safety concern and use of the plastic. I just would rather be robbed of R50 than deal with the AMEX calls. Time in Rio is precious.

@Cane--> Man, you really need to get down to Rio and bust a nut. You are getting way too emotionally involved here, balls tied a knot. :) This is a bunch of guys just talking about homongering and how to do it well, cheap, and safe. I like to make friends here, because even the guys who come across as assholes are still really good guys in person. We are all after the same thing. I've never personally met BB but respect him for what he has provided here. Maybe next time in Rio, you can buy him a beer and come back telling us what a great guy he was in real life. I've met Exec Talent whom many flame, and he is a great guy. I would be honored to meet Bubba Boy, Sperto, Christopherd. These are the star athletes of the board here, some of them monger globally and contribute diverse valuable reports on putas of all races and creeds, leading to many successful mongering trips by others. People live things that they never thought possible due to this guidance. Please appreciate their contributions and pay due respect. No one here owes things like Bubbas Guide, or Sperto's list. I find it tragic that someone would flame Sperto. I wrote 3 RODs just on Spertos list places since 2009. Enough pussy to scare most guys, and awesome things to think about when I'm old and drooling in my oatmeal (copyright somebody else). Without these contrubutions by these people, many guys would not know where to find it, and they would just be reporting on how they sat in the JW Marriot or whatever and wanked it. Rio scene is not Walking Street, or Soi Cowboy, Tobita Shinchi or Fields Ave.The scene is mostly concealed and it takes intelligence to find the good places. These guys put boots on the ground and report details to make it possible, to bang many garotas, and live vicariously in Rio. So, I'm offsetting your comments by saying Bubba Boy and Sperto deserve all the respect possible.

[QUOTE=Beach Star;1167281]Is there any other way of getting a working girls telephone number without going to Mcdonalds?[/QUOTE]Read the Bubba Boy Guide. Sounds like you really could use it with a question like that.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1167285]Cane, do you have any reports out there that will help us newbies out? Cause I would like to read those instead of all this bullshit your posting.[/QUOTE]Yes I do. But, I've been more active on another site. I've decided to come over here now. At least for awhile. I'll be reporting here on ISG on my latest Rio trip soon. Also, if you can show me the post where I started some shit, then I would really like to see it, and I'll take responsibility for it. The reality is, you need to blame a handful of jerks here for not keepin' it about the putas. Not me noob.

If somebody criticizes you or does not agree with you, that is not necessarily a personal attack. Anybody on this board has the right to criticize someone else as long it is done in a certain manner. This is not NAZI germany, people are allowed to criticize others! My last post was hardly an attack, I think it was a fair question in that was where is your post. I didn't "name call you", didn't use a "nasty tone". Was more of a "matter of fact type of comment". Doubt Jackson would have a problem with this type of post.

Your response on the other hand was much closer to an attack. You used name calling, was obviously emotionally charged and kind on unlogical. The post that you referred to of mine was very much on the subject of private girls, this is what this board is all about, sharing thoughts, opinions etc on mongering. Hardly a wasted post.

If you actually relaxed a bit, just ignored a few things that think are attacking you. Then followed up with some decent posts that contain pertinent information, you would find your life would be much easier on this board. Just chill out a bit and let your posts (on topic-strictly about mongering) do the talking for you. Ignore the rest and they will go away. If you keep responding to them all, then more than likely the whole topic will be deleted and you will get your first and last warning from Jackson.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1167296]If you actually relaxed a bit, just ignored a few things that think are attacking you. Then followed up with some decent posts that contain pertinent information, you would find your life would be much easier on this board. Just chill out a bit and let your posts (on topic-strictly about mongering) do the talking for you. Ignore the rest and they will go away. If you keep responding to them all, then more than likely the whole topic will be deleted and you will get your first and last warning from Jackson.[/QUOTE]Bubba, now you know good and damn well that these aren't just some kind of light criticisms being thrown my way. I have knowledge in great detail of the ugly nature of the problems you had with Kid Cisco. I actually stay in contact with him regularly, and he's told me exactly what went down. So, I know for you to accuse somebody of being Kid Cisco, that is a very serious, angry allegation being made by you.

And, I don't see why in the world Jackson would be giving me a last warning! I did nothing wrong. I made a post that I had a report coming, which is the kind of thing all us want to see, and then ET, you, and Sperto started in! I went to Jackson immediately because I wasn't going to sit back and be wrongfully accused of "starting" something when I knew I hadn't. Your words in particular were hostile, bitter, and acrimonious. I can actually understand why given the background.

But, I'll make you a deal. If you and your crew will stop referring to me as Kid Cisco and leave me alone to post in peace like everybody else here, as long as I'm on point and going with the flow, then I won't be gettin' into your business either or otherwise talkin' any shit about you or your boys. I'm not Kid Cisco. I've never been Kid Cisco. And I don't want to be Kid Cisco. There's only ONE Kid Cisco (even if I do use caps from time to time for emphasis!).

I have a report coming. As I said, I can't work on it the way that I want to right now because I'm still traveling. When I get home, I'll go to work on it. If you like it great. If you don't, that's OK too. Just don't read it then. I said before that I'm not here to disturb the peace, and I meant it. But in order for the peace to be preserved, you and your guys have to do some things differently too. Get off my dick! Leave me alone to participate in a civil fashion like any other member in good standing. If we can make a deal, then let's do it. Let's not make it about other members. Let's keep it about the putas.

[QUOTE=The Cane;1167314]And, I don't see why in the world Jackson would be giving me a last warning! I did nothing wrong. I made a post that I had a report coming, which is the kind of thing all us want to see, and then ET, you, and Sperto started in! I went to Jackson immediately because I wasn't going to sit back and be wrongfully accused of "starting" something when I knew I hadn't.[/QUOTE]Because of stuff like this, well actually this very stuff. I abandoned and never went back to the other site. Would be a shame if ISG doesn't nip this in the bud and put a stop to it

[QUOTE=The Cane; 1167314]Bubba, now you know good and damn well that these aren't just some kind of light criticisms being thrown my way. I have knowledge in great detail of the ugly nature of the problems you had with Kid Cisco. I actually stay in contact with him regularly, and he's told me exactly what went down. So, I know for you to accuse somebody of being Kid Cisco, that is a very serious, angry allegation being made by you.

And, I don't see why in the world Jackson would be giving me a last warning! I did nothing wrong. I made a post that I had a report coming, which is the kind of thing all us want to see, and then ET, you, and Sperto started in! I went to Jackson immediately because I wasn't going to sit back and be wrongfully accused of "starting" something when I knew I hadn't. Your words in particular were hostile, bitter, and acrimonious. I can actually understand why given the background.

But, I'll make you a deal. If you and your crew will stop referring to me as Kid Cisco and leave me alone to post in peace like everybody else here, as long as I'm on point and going with the flow, then I won't be gettin' into your business either or otherwise talkin' any shit about you or your boys. I'm not Kid Cisco. I've never been Kid Cisco. And I don't want to be Kid Cisco. There's only ONE Kid Cisco (even if I do use caps from time to time for emphasis!).

I have a report coming. As I said, I can't work on it the way that I want to right now because I'm still traveling. When I get home, I'll go to work on it. If you like it great. If you don't, that's OK too. Just don't read it then. I said before that I'm not here to disturb the peace, and I meant it. But in order for the peace to be preserved, you and your guys have to do some things differently too. Get off my dick! Leave me alone to participate in a civil fashion like any other member in good standing. If we can make a deal, then let's do it. Let's not make it about other members. Let's keep it about the putas. [/QUOTE]That sounds like a good deal to me it's a WIN WIN! At the end of the day we log on to read reports and to get info right? And to keep things fresh on a forum it is always better when different mongers posts and write in their own different style and give their count of action as they see it. Some guys are into termas some are into apt girls or VM etc. We all have different taste IF a person feels his style of mongering is under attack guess what? They and others won't post.

I know Cane taste (we both have the same taste) LOL and he took pictures on this trip WHICH is hard to get these days, I really hope he go ahead and post his report I am sure many we get laughs and will learn something.

There been talk about me and Cane being the same person going back sometime now LOL once when I was in Costa Rica I posted my room number and the hotel front desk phone number and requested guys to give me a call LOL just so there wouldn't be a DOUBT that we were different people (BTW no one gave me a call) LOL beside ONE Kid Cisco is ALL the world needs and can handle LOL LOL

Give Cane a chance IF it wasn't for him posting his reports I wouldn't have ever gone to Panama nor would I have known about other places to check out.

Kid Cisco

[QUOTE=The Cane; 1167314]Bubba, now you know good and damn well that these aren't just some kind of light criticisms being thrown my way. I have knowledge in great detail of the ugly nature of the problems you had with Kid Cisco. I actually stay in contact with him regularly, and he's told me exactly what went down. So, I know for you to accuse somebody of being Kid Cisco, that is a very serious, angry allegation being made by you.

And, I don't see why in the world Jackson would be giving me a last warning! I did nothing wrong. I made a post that I had a report coming, which is the kind of thing all us want to see, and then ET, you, and Sperto started in! I went to Jackson immediately because I wasn't going to sit back and be wrongfully accused of "starting" something when I knew I hadn't. Your words in particular were hostile, bitter, and acrimonious. I can actually understand why given the background.

But, I'll make you a deal. If you and your crew will stop referring to me as Kid Cisco and leave me alone to post in peace like everybody else here, as long as I'm on point and going with the flow, then I won't be gettin' into your business either or otherwise talkin' any shit about you or your boys. I'm not Kid Cisco. I've never been Kid Cisco. And I don't want to be Kid Cisco. There's only ONE Kid Cisco (even if I do use caps from time to time for emphasis!).

I have a report coming. As I said, I can't work on it the way that I want to right now because I'm still traveling. When I get home, I'll go to work on it. If you like it great. If you don't, that's OK too. Just don't read it then. I said before that I'm not here to disturb the peace, and I meant it. But in order for the peace to be preserved, you and your guys have to do some things differently too. Get off my dick! Leave me alone to participate in a civil fashion like any other member in good standing. If we can make a deal, then let's do it. Let's not make it about other members. Let's keep it about the putas. [/QUOTE]I hear you Cane, it's about the women.

[QUOTE=Beach Star;1167281]Is there any other way of getting a working girls telephone number without going to Mcdonalds?[/QUOTE]How about asking her for it? Duh!

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1167263]I have been having luck with the prive girls. They only work like 10 to 6pm, hence have the evenings off. If you screen the ones with 1) No kids 2) No boyfriend: it is relatively easy. There are like 50 decent prives in Rio. Lots and lots of choice, bound to find one you like in short time. The price of a TD (test drive) is only R$50. R$60 for 30 mins, although I usually take the hour which is R$80 to R$100. Anal can be extra at the best places, but once you see them a few times they have always thrown it in as a freebie for me. Once I have seen a girl maybe 2 or 3 times I know if there is any chance of a getting them to come over for free. They are not shy, will tell you very quickly if they really like you. You need to leverage this when you find it. They invite themselves, I never invite them.

For some one like myself who is in bed by say midnight, I like to see prive girls for dinner, a good boning, good sleep then kick them out before 9am so I have the day to myself (They have to be at work by 10am, so another plus here!). I never pay a girl to stay with me in my bed. Not so much to save the cash because with dinner etc you don't save much. More for the true GFE no money changes hands. Most prive girls that I see tend to be students! Terma girls tend to have very unsocial hours, doesn't work anymore for me.

For anyone that doesn't know what a prive is. It is a small brothel, normally in a commercial building. There are tons of them in Centro, normally they same building. Some are very nice, same rooms or better than the most expensive Termas, some are average. The bigger ones have maybe 12 girls on, the smaller ones maybe 4. The ultra cheap ones are shitty! [/QUOTE]This is great advice. But it does take a somewhat rare position to execute on it. For example, you kind of have to be in Rio long enough to hit a bunch of privates and build rapport / repeat visits with the girls you like. And you have to have a flexible enough schedule to go to privates (as you note, mainly open day hours and closing by 7pm). If you can pull that off, there is much to be had as you note.

[QUOTE=Galenmarek;1167362]I hear you Cane, it's about the women.[/QUOTE]It's a small world because I know the girl in the last picture her name is AMANDA! I can tell by her markings on that ass LOL she use to work at the Monte Carlo don't know IF she is still working there or not I spent some great sessions with her, I was able to get her to come over my apt. A few nights when I was there.

After a few sessions she allowed me to take pictures of her sweet looking face LOL the funny thing is she normally cover up her "tattoo" by placing her hand over it.

Kid Cisco

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1167263]I have been having luck with the prive girls. They only work like 10 to 6pm, hence have the evenings off. If you screen the ones with 1) No kids 2) No boyfriend: it is relatively easy. There are like 50 decent prives in Rio. Lots and lots of choice, bound to find one you like in short time. The price of a TD (test drive) is only R$50. R$60 for 30 mins, although I usually take the hour which is R$80 to R$100. Anal can be extra at the best places, but once you see them a few times they have always thrown it in as a freebie for me. Once I have seen a girl maybe 2 or 3 times I know if there is any chance of a getting them to come over for free. They are not shy, will tell you very quickly if they really like you. You need to leverage this when you find it. They invite themselves, I never invite them.

For some one like myself who is in bed by say midnight, I like to see prive girls for dinner, a good boning, good sleep then kick them out before 9am so I have the day to myself (They have to be at work by 10am, so another plus here!). I never pay a girl to stay with me in my bed. Not so much to save the cash because with dinner etc you don't save much. More for the true GFE no money changes hands. Most prive girls that I see tend to be students! Terma girls tend to have very unsocial hours, doesn't work anymore for me.

For anyone that doesn't know what a prive is. It is a small brothel, normally in a commercial building. There are tons of them in Centro, normally they same building. Some are very nice, same rooms or better than the most expensive Termas, some are average. The bigger ones have maybe 12 girls on, the smaller ones maybe 4. The ultra cheap ones are shitty! [/QUOTE]Thanks for this information Bubba. Can we know which prive you consider the best for that?

I have only do termas, and I'm agree with you, it's very difficult to try to have a contact at the outside of the terma.

I know that we know what we know, but the girl in the last picture's name is Bianca (GDP name) and she works at 4 X 4 (At least as of April / May of this year, last time I was there). I have many photos of her also, face, body, the whole nine, unless we are talking about a body double or something. The tatoo, however and the a$$ets are unquestionably hers. Tiny waist, flat belly, fake boobs, nice tan line and all that A$$. Believe me. She is one spectacular piece of a$$ and one heck of a performer in the cabine or your room. She is a Mineira and I do have her real name, etc. I would not release, she kind of likes her privacy if you know what I mean. If you like them thick and curvy, you can never go wrong with this one if you happen to see her. Nice personality to boot. Maybe we ought to compare notes.

[QUOTE=Kid Cisco; 1167508]It's a small world because I know the girl in the last picture her name is AMANDA! I can tell by her markings on that ass LOL she use to work at the Monte Carlo don't know IF she is still working there or not I spent some great sessions with her, I was able to get her to come over my apt. A few nights when I was there.

After a few sessions she allowed me to take pictures of her sweet looking face LOL the funny thing is she normally cover up her "tattoo" by placing her hand over it.

Kid Cisco[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sui Generis;1166859]6) Hooters: I know there's one in Vila Olimpia (São Paulo) but I've heard that the're planning to open new locations before 2014 (especially in Rio)[/QUOTE]Several years ago I was in the Kennesaw, Ga Hooters. My "server" was being shadowed by a slightly older girl dressed in a Polo style shirt and khaki slacks. Her name tag had "Manager Trainee" on it. I struck up a conversation with her and turns out she was going to be the opening manager for the Sao Paulo Hooters! Seemed odd to me they would send her to Kennesaw for training.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1167608]I know that we know what we know, but the girl in the last picture's name is Bianca (GDP name) and she works at 4 X 4 (At least as of April / May of this year, last time I was there). I have many photos of her also, face, body, the whole nine, unless we are talking about a body double or something. The tatoo, however and the a$$ets are unquestionably hers. Tiny waist, flat belly, fake boobs, nice tan line and all that A$$. Believe me. She is one spectacular piece of a$$ and one heck of a performer in the cabine or your room. She is a Mineira and I do have her real name, etc. I would not release, she kind of likes her privacy if you know what I mean. If you like them thick and curvy, you can never go wrong with this one if you happen to see her. Nice personality to boot. Maybe we ought to compare notes.[/QUOTE]Damn.

You right! I looked back over my old pictures that is her a dime fine ass shit it does look like she gained some weight BUT that is her!

After seeing so many over the years I got her confused with another one I seen at Monte Carlo.

Kid Cisco

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1167608]I know that we know what we know, but the girl in the last picture's name is Bianca (GDP name) and she works at 4 X 4[/QUOTE]The fact that she works at 4x4 using the name Bianca doesn't mean that she couldn't also have worked at MC using the name Amanda. I have known many girls to change their GDP names and their work locations.

So after a week of working 8. 30am-9pm I left early on Friday (6pm LOL) to enjoy Centro. Metro to Uruguiana, walk to T65. On the way, in the street, I see a familiar face (hot, smoking black girl) from 502 in her street clothes heading (I imagine) to work."Oi, tudo bem?" Her surprise turns to a smile.

Get up to the 65 boate around 7pm. Sort of hoping to encounter the hot 22 whyear old (complete with Dragao tatoo) that I've been seeing there (and at my apartment) a few times. She's not there. Boate is packed with guys and girls. But honestly, the rest of the talent is middle of the road. 65's had this problem maybe the last 2 months. My favs have either taken time off (new boob job) or headed to other casas. According to one amiga who left about 4 weeks ago and now works in MC, the issue is that during most of the week there are not a lot of customers. And the ones who do show up are regulars who tend to stick to one girl.

I relax for about 30-40 minutes, trying to figure out if there is anyone else doable. My chick shows up at the 40-min mark. Heads turn as she enters. She sees me while she's in the embrace of some brazilian dude. Give me the eye and tells me to wait. She walks through to the bar and all these guys stare at her LOL. Finally she comes over and we start hanging out. Some older Braz guy next to me, ordering bottles of champage, leans over and tells me I've got one the best choices. I'm like, LOL, obrigado. She sticks me for a red bull and vodka. It's like table stakes I guess. Outstanding 1 hr time in the room. So good that I have to acquiesce when she orders another redbull and vodka. I'm afraid to see my bill LOL. It's 469. The rb / vodkas were R$35 each ouch.

I'm pretty fucking satisfied and it's 9. 30. So I head up the block to the Centro outpost of Esch Cafe, a cigar lounge / restaurant. I know the manager now and he's usually there as they are winding down at 9. 30+. I get there right as they are locking the door, and the doorman has to open it again for me. Inside, I chat with the manager at the bar. He gives me a stogie and opens the kitchen again for me. Steak sandwich with cheese. Strong Cuba libre. About an hour later, I head out, down a 1/2 V, and head to 502.

I'm hoping to see my fav chick there but she's not in. Hasn't been in all week apparently. I'm #172 so it's clear they are having a busy night. Maybe 2-3 doable girls. Talk to 2 I know, trying to figure out what to do, for about 30-40 mins. Finally see a pretty, big-butt black girl. Raisa. We chat a bit and head up for 1 hr. Very great, deep, slobbery BJ in the room. 2 slow, sensuous fucks. 2 loads. Otimo.

Cab home, fully satisfied and relaxed. Total price about R680 between everything. 65. 502 (R210) , R$10 tip to the doorman at 502 (I am buying his drawings, he always does them on the back of the 502 entry cards, and they are all upon my refrigerator now) , cab home (R20). Pricey but that's the impact of top-class T's.

I was so shagged out that I only whacked off 1 time at home (thank you Jules Jordan). In fact, so fucked-out that I couldn't motivate to get up and go to Tijuaca on Saturday morning LOL

Wonderful warm sunny day on my roof deck, cuban cigar, Brahma malzbier. Probably off to MC soon, unless Dragao chick calls me LOL.

-Cartman

[QUOTE=Lorenzo;1167665]The fact that she works at 4x4 using the name Bianca doesn't mean that she couldn't also have worked at MC using the name Amanda. I have known many girls to change their GDP names and their work locations.[/QUOTE]Lorenzo,

You so right these girls change their names all the time IF one girl goes by Candy or Star at a terma IF a girl was using that name at another terma she have to change it.

BUT, looking back at my old pictures I REMEMBER were I seen that ass before she did go by Bianca at 4x4. The Amanda I seen at Monte Carlo had a FAIRY flying right in that same spot over her ass they both had the same size ass. I tell you what Voyajer1 since you know Bianca well (you will also know her other tattoo is located at right)?

Kid Cisco

Maybe it's a matter of the timelines: When he went to Rio vs when I went to Rio. Plus, their aliases change quite a bit depending where the GDP is working. No problems, friends, just mentioning that if you want to meet her, you know where I saw her last not long ago.

[QUOTE=Lorenzo;1167665]The fact that she works at 4x4 using the name Bianca doesn't mean that she couldn't also have worked at MC using the name Amanda. I have known many girls to change their GDP names and their work locations.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1167672]So after a week of working 8. 30am-9pm I left early on Friday (6pm LOL) to enjoy Centro. I was so shagged out that I only whacked off 1 time at home (thank you Jules Jordan). In fact, so fucked-out that I couldn't motivate to get up and go to Tijuaca on Saturday morning LOL

Wonderful warm sunny day on my roof deck, cuban cigar, Brahma malzbier. Probably off to MC soon, unless Dragao chick calls me LOL-Cartman[/QUOTE]Wow thank you I enjoyed this great post, felt like I was there.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1167672]So after a week of working 8. 30am-9pm I left early on Friday (6pm LOL) to enjoy Centro. Metro to Uruguiana, walk to T65. On the way, in the street, I see a familiar face (hot, smoking black girl) from 502 in her street clothes heading (I imagine) to work."Oi, tudo bem?" Her surprise turns to a smile.

Get up to the 65 boate around 7pm. Sort of hoping to encounter the hot 22 whyear old (complete with Dragao tatoo) that I've been seeing there (and at my apartment) a few times. She's not there. Boate is packed with guys and girls. But honestly, the rest of the talent is middle of the road. 65's had this problem maybe the last 2 months. My favs have either taken time off (new boob job) or headed to other casas. According to one amiga who left about 4 weeks ago and now works in MC, the issue is that during most of the week there are not a lot of customers. And the ones who do show up are regulars who tend to stick to one girl.

I relax for about 30-40 minutes, trying to figure out if there is anyone else doable. My chick shows up at the 40-min mark. Heads turn as she enters. She sees me while she's in the embrace of some brazilian dude. Give me the eye and tells me to wait. She walks through to the bar and all these guys stare at her LOL. Finally she comes over and we start hanging out. Some older Braz guy next to me, ordering bottles of champage, leans over and tells me I've got one the best choices. I'm like, LOL, obrigado. She sticks me for a red bull and vodka. It's like table stakes I guess. Outstanding 1 hr time in the room. So good that I have to acquiesce when she orders another redbull and vodka. I'm afraid to see my bill LOL. It's 469. The rb / vodkas were R$35 each ouch.

I'm pretty fucking satisfied and it's 9. 30. So I head up the block to the Centro outpost of Esch Cafe, a cigar lounge / restaurant. I know the manager now and he's usually there as they are winding down at 9. 30+. I get there right as they are locking the door, and the doorman has to open it again for me. Inside, I chat with the manager at the bar. He gives me a stogie and opens the kitchen again for me. Steak sandwich with cheese. Strong Cuba libre. About an hour later, I head out, down a 1/2 V, and head to 502.

I'm hoping to see my fav chick there but she's not in. Hasn't been in all week apparently. I'm #172 so it's clear they are having a busy night. Maybe 2-3 doable girls. Talk to 2 I know, trying to figure out what to do, for about 30-40 mins. Finally see a pretty, big-butt black girl. Raisa. We chat a bit and head up for 1 hr. Very great, deep, slobbery BJ in the room. 2 slow, sensuous fucks. 2 loads. Otimo.

Cab home, fully satisfied and relaxed. Total price about R680 between everything. 65. 502 (R210) , R$10 tip to the doorman at 502 (I am buying his drawings, he always does them on the back of the 502 entry cards, and they are all upon my refrigerator now) , cab home (R20). Pricey but that's the impact of top-class T's.

I was so shagged out that I only whacked off 1 time at home (thank you Jules Jordan). In fact, so fucked-out that I couldn't motivate to get up and go to Tijuaca on Saturday morning LOL

Wonderful warm sunny day on my roof deck, cuban cigar, Brahma malzbier. Probably off to MC soon, unless Dragao chick calls me LOL.

-Cartman[/QUOTE]Esche Cafe and Cigar bar will sometimes stay open until midnight on a Friday if few customers hangout. Again, if this happens, its usually on fridays. Just like they close before 10 pm on Mondays cause things are so slow.

If you haven't been to the one in Leblon, give it a shot.....very enjoyable.....not a bad wine selcetion either. I usually go with a scotch to accompany my cigar, but again, wine and crowd is not bad. Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Kid Cisco; 1167508]It's a small world because I know the girl in the last picture her name is AMANDA! I can tell by her markings on that ass LOL she use to work at the Monte Carlo don't know IF she is still working there or not I spent some great sessions with her, I was able to get her to come over my apt. A few nights when I was there.

After a few sessions she allowed me to take pictures of her sweet looking face LOL the funny thing is she normally cover up her "tattoo" by placing her hand over it.

Kid Cisco[/QUOTE]She told me her name was Bianca, and she still works at 4x4 as of April of this year. She is from my best trip 2009. I had Darline and Aaliyah on the same trip.

[QUOTE=Lorenzo;1167665]The fact that she works at 4x4 using the name Bianca doesn't mean that she couldn't also have worked at MC using the name Amanda. I have known many girls to change their GDP names and their work locations.[/QUOTE]This is the MC Amanda that I know. This is a clothed photo, but if you look at it closely, you can see where she has a tattoo on her right side. I haven't seen her around for several years. Could be wrong, but I don't think she's working at any of the major termas anymore.

Galenmarek-

Is that first photo you posted pornstar Darlene Amaro?

The other dolphin on her belly, left side at tan line / belly button level? Oh, yes I do! There are very few GDP's worth repeating the price of admission, and among the thick ones, she is definitely one of them. She leaves me with that drained and really satisfied feeling after I'm done sessioning with her. She likes to completely drain once you session with her (At least with me). She sometimes just grabs my hand to go to a cabin after she sits next to me; no words need to be exchanged. She just knows I can't get enough of that a$$. Her a$$ets are big, soft and firm, and what a nice looking face to boot. She is definitely on my top 20 list of providers.

[QUOTE=Kid Cisco; 1167680]Lorenzo,

You so right these girls change their names all the time IF one girl goes by Candy or Star at a terma IF a girl was using that name at another terma she have to change it.

BUT, looking back at my old pictures I REMEMBER were I seen that ass before she did go by Bianca at 4x4. The Amanda I seen at Monte Carlo had a FAIRY flying right in that same spot over her ass they both had the same size ass. I tell you what Voyajer1 since you know Bianca well (you will also know her other tattoo is located at right)?

Kid Cisco[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1167815]The other dolphin on her belly, left side at tan line / belly button level? Oh, yes I do! There are very few GDP's worth repeating the price of admission, and among the thick ones, she is definitely one of them. She leaves me with that drained and really satisfied feeling after I'm done sessioning with her. She likes to completely drain once you session with her (At least with me). She sometimes just grabs my hand to go to a cabin after she sits next to me; no words need to be exchanged. She just knows I can't get enough of that a$$. Her a$$ets are big, soft and firm, and what a nice looking face to boot. She is definitely on my top 20 list of providers.[/QUOTE]That's correct! Voyajer1 LOL LOL we did see the same girl I confuse her with Amanda at Monte Carlo (which was GREAT also) but Bianca at 4x4 she did what she could to hide both of them when I would take pictures of her, BUT after a few more sessions after work at my apt. She didn't care anymore and even let me take pictures of her cute face too. (I promise I wouldn't ever show her face and I haven't either) the funny thing was at the terma she showed me one side of her and back at my apt. She showed me a whole different side of herself which I liked better.

I really try to get guys to get phone numbers of chicks you hit it off with at the termas and try to see them outside of the place you will see a different side of them they let their hair down and won't feel like they are being watch over their shoulders by their boss etc. I was able to get anal from chicks back at my place that WOULDN'T give it to me at the terma WTF? LOL

Kid Cisco

[QUOTE=Rock Harders; 1167813]Galenmarek-

Is that first photo you posted pornstar Darlene Amaro?[/QUOTE]Yes it is her.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1167263]I have been having luck with the prive girls. They only work like 10 to 6pm, hence have the evenings off. If you screen the ones with 1) No kids 2) No boyfriend: it is relatively easy. There are like 50 decent prives in Rio. Lots and lots of choice, bound to find one you like in short time. The price of a TD (test drive) is only R$50. R$60 for 30 mins, although I usually take the hour which is R$80 to R$100. Anal can be extra at the best places, but once you see them a few times they have always thrown it in as a freebie for me. Once I have seen a girl maybe 2 or 3 times I know if there is any chance of a getting them to come over for free. They are not shy, will tell you very quickly if they really like you. You need to leverage this when you find it. They invite themselves, I never invite them.

For some one like myself who is in bed by say midnight, I like to see prive girls for dinner, a good boning, good sleep then kick them out before 9am so I have the day to myself (They have to be at work by 10am, so another plus here!). I never pay a girl to stay with me in my bed. Not so much to save the cash because with dinner etc you don't save much. More for the true GFE no money changes hands. Most prive girls that I see tend to be students! Terma girls tend to have very unsocial hours, doesn't work anymore for me. [/QUOTE]I don't have too much luck with getting these girls to meet outside. It seems easiest to get them at their work place.

Actually, they work all day long, Monday through Saturday, sometimes Friday. Some long bus rides home. Most of them are not out of the closet, and live with mom. At least the young innocent type I like (maybe this is the problem!).

If they are students, as you said, that means they are busy from 7 am to midnight, every day. Or from 4 am to 9 pm, if they study early in the morning.

Sunday they have to spend with family, and to run errands. They can not explain to mom why on earth they would sleep out. I had girls leaving at almost midnight, for a dangerous bus ride through gaza strip and other war zones to get home. I told them if I was their dad or mom, I would never let them take a bus at that time and would prefer them to sleep out.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1167815]The other dolphin on her belly, left side at tan line / belly button level?[/QUOTE]This is an old picture of a girl going by "Donna" over at L'uomo. She's still there. I saw her during my last trip, but did not recognize her at first (more mature look, different hair, little more weight) until I saw the dolphin on her bunda.

She told me that she was 20 years old at the time that I met her, and is the source of one of the many, many funny memories I have of Rio. I was in the boite having a drink, and she comes up and sits next to me and says,"Fuck me in the ass and make my dolphin chirp." LOL!

Well, as I said in the report that I did at the time, I did my level best to get that thing to do it's best Flipper impersonation! I distinctly remember some very loud squealing in the cabine. Only, I wasn't sure if it was Donna's dolphin . . . or me as a I busted a nut in her butt!

I reminded her of what she said way back when, and we both broke out laughing. I didn't do her this last time. There was way too much new booty on duty to be had.