Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I think this is the most important thing to remember here.

If a girl rates her looks & services (package) at a certain price, then bargaining could result in forcing her to drop her service level (looks can't change).

The only thing that works well for me in the bars or for Freelancers is to always undercut her price by 500 but offer a 500 thb extra as tip if she is great. Example: she quotes 3, 000. I will give her 2, 500 and an extra 500 if she is great. That way I am sure she will work hard for her 3, 000.

But I am not an experienced Bar hopper, more like a massage guy.[/QUOTE]it's an excellent idea! Why didn't I think to do like you

Thank you, nexte time I will try this.

[QUOTE=Mauldid]Times are hard but there are standards, don't want to mess it up for everyone else. Can't give in. LOL

Mal[/QUOTE]Thanks, keep fighting the good fight.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]If a girl rates her looks & services (package) at a certain price, then bargaining could result in forcing her to drop her service level (looks can't change).[/QUOTE]This is funny, because if you are after a good GFE, money doesn't matter too much.

In my experience, when they like you they don't' care about money, and when they stop liking you (hate you), they don't go with you whatever you offer them.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]
As far as I am concerned, I use them a lot and not because of the price, but because it gets me from Point A to Point B in a very short time no matter how dense the traffic is .[/QUOTE]
Best to use motorcycle for short rides only when no other method available. The simple reason is that although the driver maybe skilled, its still dangerous.
Take the BTS or MRT when possible. Use motorcycle to connect to those when haven't got time to walk.

There are a very large number of motorcycle accidents in Thailand and little protection.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Best to use motorcycle for short rides only when no other method available. The simple reason is that although the driver maybe skilled, its still dangerous.
Take the BTS or MRT when possible. Use motorcycle to connect to those when haven't got time to walk.

There are a very large number of motorcycle accidents in Thailand and little protection.[/QUOTE]

Everything we do in life can be dangerous, hell even the water we drink.

Don't be spooked by the numbers, most accidents are in the suburbs or on the islands because some drunks can't drive their pickup properly or because the 10 year old who is riding the motorcycle has no clue what he is doing.

I have taken Motorcycles every day for the last 4 years... sometimes many times a day... that's a minimum of 1,500 trips and not a single scratch so far.

In my books, P4P is more dangerous, let me borrow your words (a little modified): "very large number of prostitutes in Thailand and little protection"

I was planning to try both Eden Club and Bangkok Sisters during my previous Bkk visit. The Eden Club experience was great with Nok and Na. Next day with Nok and Ow. Everything in the place was clean and well maintained. The location near Bier Garten was perfect for me.

Despite all that I wanted also experience Bangkok Sisters. To get PatPong I needed to take the Skytrain. During walk from train stop to Patpong on early Sunday afternoon at least ten ugly dudes tried to sell a massage with some girl pictured brochure in their hand. It was annoying. I had some diificulties to locate the alley named PatPong 2. Finally I found the doorway. If it would not have been daytine I would not have had courage to walk in. The opening led to dark hallway. No lights. Walls and elevator covered with graffities. I ended up to fouth floor. Same darkness continued and couple of stray cats circuled my legs. From nowhere you could deduct you have entered correct place. No signs. Nothing. Even closed dirty metal plated door had no indication what could have had been behind it. I know I was in correct address but the place was closed. Time was around 2pm (14:00) on Sunday. I am an European so 24 hour clock is more familiar to me. In their web page it is said to be open from 12am to 12pm. What that is in 24 hour clock? If it is 0:00 to 12:00 that would not make much sense.

Why would someone want to go to Bangkok Sisters instead of Eden Club? The prices are same. Eden Club premises are immaculate. Girls line-up in EC is adequate at least for my preference.

Bangkok sisters is closed from a long time, it seems.

[quote=nicfrenchy]i have taken motorcycles every day for the last 4 years... sometimes many times a day... that's a minimum of 1,500 trips and not a single scratch so far....in my books, p4p is more dangerous, let me borrow your (soap's) words (a little modified): "very large number of prostitutes in thailand and little protection"[/quote][i]nic:[/i] and i bet you wear a helmet every time? very few things in life are more dangerous than riding a motorcycle...especially in thailand.

i love it in bangkok when the traffic is snarled and the "oh so smart" [i]motosi[/i] taxi men jump the curb and ride down the sidewalk...

from [i]emedicinedotcom...[/i]
[b]motorcycles, bicycles, and head injury[/b]

the increase in bicycling and motorcycling has focused attention on injuries sustained during these activities. most of these injuries are traumatic brain injuries (tbi), caused by the lack of rider head protection. this exposure of the rider accounts for the particular types of injuries seen during these activities.

* although the crash scenario often dictates the area of the body injured, fatal crashes are most often a result of traumatic brain injury. often these are isolated head injuries with no other serious injuries.

* fatal traumatic brain injury occurs more often in adults than children, although children are more often injured in bicycle crashes. this simply reflects the greater proportion of children using bicycles, as well as the lack of experience of younger riders.

* many studies have documented the particular risk of brain injury when riding a motorcycle. the increased speed of a motorcycle and use in vehicle traffic adds risk of injury far beyond that of a bicycle.

* traumatic brain injury certainly can cause death, but it also can cause disabling injury requiring extensive and costly rehabilitation. for many people, a brain injury triggers a significant change in lifestyle and function. brain injury can vary from essentially minor disability to prolonged dependence on a ventilator to breathe and permanent loss of normal function. these serious brain injuries take their toll on families caring for an injured loved one.

* studies examining the rates of brain injury and deaths before and after the passage of a mandatory helmet law showed a significant reduction in the number of both head injuries and deaths. the reduction held true even when controlling for age, sex, and severity of crash.

[url]http://www.emedicinehealth.com/bicycle_and_motorcycle_helmets/article_em.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Fon Tok][i]Nic:[/i] And I bet you wear a helmet every time? Very few things in life are more dangerous than riding a motorcycle...especially in Thailand.

I love it in Bangkok when the traffic is snarled and the "oh so smart" [i]motosi[/i] taxi men jump the curb and ride down the sidewalk...

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mmmhhh... yeah, I always refuse the helmet when they offer it to me, it's kind of gross, I mean, would you wear someone else's condom? :D

And yes, I love it when they ride on the sidewalk, makes my trip faster ;)

Anyway, Thais are used to this, only Farangs bicker over moto taxis getting on the sidewalk. My advice to you is to let them go and not argue. One Farang tried to prevent a moto taxi from passing on the sidewalk close to emporium (2 years ago) and in a matter or seconds he was surrounded by 10 other moto taxi drivers. YES, he was right, but this is Thailand, it's not about what's right. The poor Farang got scared and walked backwards.

Want to make a difference in LOS? here's the news: you can't!! ask OTH. They are how they are so better to accept them that way.

I was a little bored yesterday (dayltime) and decided to go for a stroll up Sukhumvit 22

Starting at the Davis Soi 24 (where I had a meeting) I walked to soi 22, close to Rama4 is the new AIYARA Massage place [url]http://www.raku2.tv/mbdetail_massage.php?id=R010745[/url]
2 real cute girls (looks like WA and BEE) came out as I walked by and started flirting with me. It is clear this place offers extras and they are hungry for customers because their location isn't ideal.
I told them I had to go somewhere and they looked disappointed but, I will certainly be back to explore things further with this massage place.

Many many TTM joints with girls outside trying to get just about anyone to enter and spend money.

Hana was still there and Rin was busy (isn't she always?)

Passed by Rose Massage but did not go inside, something about this place that turns me off, I don't know what though... I am crazy I guess.

Across are 3 TTM/Oil shops and the one with the girls dressed in pink polo shirt caught my eye. A young good looking girl grabbed my arm and begged me to go with her for a massage. I asked her if she would pay me to massage her? she and her friends laughed and they all said yes (teasingly). She said that she would pay me 300 for massage but I would pay dinner for her and her friends tonight. Sounded very interesting but I told her I would be back. I think her name was Tam or Tum.

Arriving at the Famous Lavender! now THIS is what I was strolling for, I wanted to feel miss JOJO's E-cups on my face. Unfortunately, some other asshole (sorry) was already enjoying her.

Arriving closer to Sukhumvit 2 ladies were sitting on some steps eating Som-tum and threw me the Typical Thai prostitute line: "hansum man, where you go?" I smiled adn was ready to pass them but one lady said 1,000 for 2 lady for everything. I stopped, in need of more information so I repeated:

"1,000 for you 2 and everything, many shot? even back? (showing Anal)" They were positive. One of them looked quite do-able while the other was very average. This deal sounded good as I could have paid 1,000 only for the best looking one and would have gotten as an added bonus an extra lady to wipe the sweat off my forehead and change the condoms between shots.

Then the wake up call came: the more challenging looking one said "No condom can do, ok sir?" yeah, thanks but no thanks.

I think I'll go back today adn try that Aiyara massage place (they have some 10% discount in the afternoon).

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]mmmhhh... yeah, I always refuse the helmet when they offer it to me, it's kind of gross, I mean, would you wear someone else's condom? :D...My advice to you is to let them go and not argue....Want to make a difference in LOS? here's the news: you can't!! ask OTH. They are how they are so better to accept them that way.[/QUOTE]So...dirty hair is worse than a brain injury. I follow your logic...[i]it's so Thai![/i] Your co-workers would be proud of you.

Who me, argue? Not in the land of [i]Muay Thai.[/i] I always bring my own...condoms and helmet. I have a very big head!

[i]Motorsi taxis?[/i] The fastest way to fly in the City of Angels! [i]Adn,[/i] I don't have a problem with the taxi jockeys riding on the sidewalk, or anywhere for that matter. I just like to get where I'm going. Nic, just know that if you crash and hit your head you could be on the same intellectual level as bad [i]som tam![/i]

Now, smug French tourists in Thailand...hmmm...that's another story. ;)

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]Nic, just know that if you crash and hit your head you could be on the same intellectual level as bad [i]som tam![/i][/QUOTE]

It started as a joke but now is turning into a lecture and I'm bored so I'll leave you to your pictures, research and will have my fun somewhere else ;)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]It started as a joke but now is turning into a lecture and I'm bored so I'll leave you to your pictures, research and will have my fun somewhere else ;)[/QUOTE]Touche'...lol.

On a different note, I did take two girls once at Akane Chitlom and it was a lot of fun...lovely Syo (aka Pooky) was one of them. I wonder what happened to her? A better picture, n'est pas?

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]Touche'...lol.

On a different note, I did take two girls once at Akane Chitlom and it was a lot of fun...lovely Syo (aka Pooky) was one of them. I wonder what happened to her? A better picture, n'est pas?[/QUOTE]

Now THIS is the kind of posts I love :D

Fon Tok, you truly made my day! Man oh man Syo was such a sweetheart (and a great performer), I have not seen her since she left Akane 33 :(

My all time Fav was still Manami, what a woman... an attitude that would make a Tulip girl blush!!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Now THIS is the kind of posts I love :D ...My all time Fav was still Manami, what a woman... an attitude that would make a Tulip girl blush!![/QUOTE]OK, one more picture so we end on an up note...

Btw, seems we like the same neighborhood. I had another nice session with Rin the other day. She's still very snug for an old gal. No pictures, though :p

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]Btw, seems we like the same neighborhood. I had another nice session with Rin the other day. She's still very snug for an old gal. No pictures, though :p[/QUOTE]

We not only like the same neighborhood, seems to me like we fancy the same girls :D

Rin never disappoints (with me anyway).

Checked in at Majastic Grande hotel in soi 2, sukhumvit road. Nice hotel and perfect location. I was to tired so decided to eat some thing and take a some rest so that I can recharge my battries for rest of the night.

being my 1st day in bangkok I was more interisted in exploring the new places so my 1st deistination was nana intertainment plaza. Went to RAINBOW 4 ON 2nd floor they have 2 dance platform and on both the platform or stage there are 8 to 10 girls were dancing. The moment I entered I was escorted to the seat on the left side of the interance I orderd beer (135 bhat). From my seat I can look at the girls dancing on 1st platform, the view of girls dancing of 2nd platform was not that cleard from my seat but that was no problem because I thought after some time the girls will swap the stage. But after drinking 2 beer I realise that there is different set of girls for both the floors and they are not suppose to change there stage. What a put off cause girls dancing of froor 2 were much better.

Leasson learned at rainbow 4 : choose your seat carefully and make sure u sit in middle of both the stages so that u can have a better look at girls dancing on both the stages.

Around 11PM I left for Grand hayat (passaco club) being Saturday it was packed to maximum. I have never seen so many beautiful thai ladies at one place. Girls were really good most of them above 7 and all of them nicely dressed up. Orderd a hanikan and what the fuck 320 bhat for 1beer man what a loot. The average rate was 3000 bhat I know its bit high but campaired with quality I think its ok.
Around 12:30 I left for CM2 disco at novatel hotel in siom square. Entery fee 650 bhat that include two drinks and rate of one haniken was 230 bhat. The place was ok not that crowded. Girls were mostly average but there is somting special about this place well u can find lot of CIS grils and few african also.

As I was standing at the bar and sipping my beer one russian blond came to me and ask what I was drinking I told her I am having beer after that general quastion like where I am from what I do etc etc. I was amazed by her english she had a perfect cammond over it because all of u know how good russian babes are in english ;).
She : whats your plan for 2night?

I : not sure, u tell whats ur?
She: do u want 2 go out with me
I : sure y not
she : then u have to pay me
I : how much u want me 2 pay u
She : 8000 bhat
I : are u crazy it seem u have gone mad
She : ok u tell how much u want to pay
I : sorry I am not sure
She : ok 6000
I : still 2 much
She : u tell me pls or I go and find another guy.
I : I bet u better do that but I doubt any 1 is going 2 pay u so much.
She: ok u finally tell me how much u r going to pay
I: sorry bye and have fun.

And I moved from there

There were few more eye can days some 9 some perfect 10 but the rate they were quoting was too high.

Suddenly lights turn on and I checked my watch its 2:30 and the place is closed.
Now it’s time to go to bossy or bosky I don’t remm the name properly. This clubs open till 6 in morning so when every joint is closed in Bangkok the crowed move to this place. The moment I enter surprise.. Lot of familiar faces there.. Yep u got it right the girls form rainbow 4, passaco, cm2 all of them were there they still hoping to get some customer.

Well I danced till 6 in morning and then went to bamboo bar in nana to eat, its Lebanese restaurant with remain open 24x7. Then straight to my hotel and slept dreaming about all the beautiful ladies.

[QUOTE=Francesco24]Bangkok sisters is closed from a long time, it seems.[/QUOTE]
Me stupid, sorry :( Not obvious after googling. Results probably from 2008. So confirmed not to go ;)

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]Touche'...lol.

On a different note, I did take two girls once at Akane Chitlom and it was a lot of fun...lovely Syo (aka Pooky) was one of them. I wonder what happened to her? A better picture, n'est pas?[/QUOTE]I too, spent some memorable occasions with Syo. A truly sexy lady with brains to boot. She told me before she departed from Akane, that she was leaving to start on a degree in Marketing.

[QUOTE=White Whale]Me stupid, sorry :( Not obvious after googling. Results probably from 2008. So confirmed not to go ;)[/QUOTE]

No you were not Stupid. Bangkok sisters had re-opened under the management of an ex-eden girl, but it looks like they closed again.

[QUOTE=Fun Filled]
Well I danced till 6 in morning and then went to bamboo bar in nana to eat, its Lebanese restaurant with remain open 24x7. [/quote]

Great report.

Never heard of this place (but, I don't hang out there at these hours either), where is it exactly?

[quote]Then straight to my hotel and slept dreaming about all the beautiful ladies.[/QUOTE]
Boy oh boy, that riminds me of my first nights in Thailand... I was so picky (and not really into Asian women) that I came empty handed also many nights :( hahahahaha

[QUOTE=Fun Filled]
Leasson learned at rainbow 4 : choose your seat carefully and make sure u sit in middle of both the stages so that u can have a better look at girls dancing on both the stages.
[/QUOTE]
You can change seat easily provided spare seats available. Take your bill with you.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Great report.

Never heard of this place (but, I don't hang out there at these hours either), where is it exactly?
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[/QUOTE]The only Bamboo Bar I know is in Soi 3, opposite Grace Hotel.

No idea whether they run a Lebanese restaurant now, when I was there last time it seamed to be a simple beer bar.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]You can change seat easily provided spare seats available. Take your bill with you.[/QUOTE]Sure I could have done that but Unfortunately there was no space.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Great report.

Boy oh boy, that riminds me of my first nights in Thailand. I was so picky (and not really into Asian women) that I came empty handed also many nights hahahahaha[/QUOTE]Man it was exactly same with me I was so picky always expecting something better. And in end you get nothing? . But anyways it was fun.

[QUOTE=Giotto]The only Bamboo Bar I know is in Soi 3, opposite Grace Hotel.

No idea whether they run a Lebanese restaurant now, when I was there last time it seamed to be a simple beer bar.

Giotto[/QUOTE]Yes you are right bamboo beer bar is in Soi 3, apposite Grace Hotel. They have 2 section one is bar and another is restaurant which is open 24x7. Just check this [url]http://bamboopub.com/lebanese.shtml[/url]

What is this Bossy or Boss Key that Fun Filled was talking about?

And what is the story with "Passaco" at Grand Hyatt? Full of WG there, or just a handful?

[QUOTE=Wendella]What is this Bossy or Boss Key that Fun Filled was talking about?

And what is the story with "Passaco" at Grand Hyatt? Full of WG there, or just a handful?[/QUOTE]

It's called "Bossy" or more formally, "The Bossy Club". I may have a business card with the address. A quick Google search shows it's in the Pratunaam area, a small soi off of Sri Ayudhaya.

As I recall, you pay 300-400 baht admission which gets you a free drink. It definitely picks up later in the evening.

I find it interesting that Fun Filled was amazed about a Russian having a perfect "cammond" of English, because he doesn't. I've never heard of "haniken", but I do know of Heineken. Grand hayat? :)

MadVic

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I was a little bored yesterday (dayltime) and decided to go for a stroll up Sukhumvit 22.[/QUOTE]After reading this report, I had a look around today.

I was going to go to Hana, but didn't see it while walking down soi 22, although I managed to find it on my way back.

Eventually I came to Aiyara. A couple of ladies came out asking if I want massage. This was around 15:30. When I arrived, there were 5 or 6 girls available. It didn't seem like the place was busy.

I went for 2 hours. I got a good massage with an HJ. I wasn't looking for more this time. I don't remember the girl's name and they don't have numbers. I don't know if this girl does more than HJ.

As Nic said, there is a 10% discount for the massage. I paid ฿720 for the massage and ฿400 for the HJ.

On the way back to Sukhumvit, I had a similar experience to Nic. There were several places with girls out front trying to get you to go in.

Everyone's preferences are different, but for me, I'll go back and look around again. I doubt that I'll have a problem finding someone suitable in some of the other places.

[QUOTE=Wendella]What is this Bossy or Boss Key that Fun Filled was talking about?

And what is the story with "Passaco" at Grand Hyatt? Full of WG there, or just a handful?[/QUOTE]

Mate, there are two freelance clubs with similar names or better to say 4. Boss, Bossy, Spice and Spicy. I weren't in Boss, nor in Bossy. But in Spice Club and Spicy. Spice Club is in the Ambassador Hotel Suk Soi 11. Spice Club is a decent freelancer disco, were you might find decent Thai girls for LT and ST. Spicy from behind National Stadium when you come from Nana. People there are younger Kao San crowd, or expat sons, or foreign student, Arabs, Indians, Thai FL and CIS girls. It's Ok, but I don't like it too much. Too full and most of the girls there are already engage, except the CIS girls. But, lower quality than CM2, imho.
With Passaco, I guess he means Spasso in grand Hyatt Erawan. It's an upskale Freelancer Disco. I weren't there, but I were in the Tunnel, were the girls from Spasso usually go when Spasso close. Pretty girls indeed, but expensive. Last time I had the chance to score a 9+ girl there. It was early and I wait too long and so I missed the chance, even when she approached me.

Are you still in HCMC? I will be in Thailand for 2 Months in June and July. Maybe I will spent a week in Vn.

[QUOTE=Airplane]Eventually I came to Aiyara. A couple of ladies came out asking if I want massage. This was around 15:30. When I arrived, there were 5 or 6 girls available. It didn't seem like the place was busy.
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Great post, Thanks. How would you rate the girls @ Aiyara in the "looks" department?

[QUOTE=DG69]Mate, there are two freelance clubs with similar names or better to say 4. Boss, Bossy, Spice and Spicy. I weren't in Boss, nor in Bossy. But in Spice Club and Spicy. Spice Club is in the Ambassador Hotel Suk Soi 11. Spice Club is a decent freelancer disco, were you might find decent Thai girls for LT and ST. Spicy from behind National Stadium when you come from Nana. People there are younger Kao San crowd, or expat sons, or foreign student, Arabs, Indians, Thai FL and CIS girls. It's Ok, but I don't like it too much. Too full and most of the girls there are already engage, except the CIS girls. But, lower quality than CM2, imho.[/QUOTE]
I do know Spicy - have been there, not my cup of tea. Haven't been to Spice but it sounds even less my cup of tea than Spicy. I was really wanting to hear more about Boss/Bossy -- whether it's FL oriented or the kind of place where you have to be pretty experienced in the place to be able to spot them. For me, taht's not worth it.

[QUOTE=DG69]With Passaco, I guess he means Spasso in grand Hyatt Erawan. It's an upskale Freelancer Disco. I weren't there, but I were in the Tunnel, were the girls from Spasso usually go when Spasso close. Pretty girls indeed, but expensive. Last time I had the chance to score a 9+ girl there. It was early and I wait too long and so I missed the chance, even when she approached me.[/QUOTE]This sounds more hopeful -- but on a scale of 1 to 10, with a 10 being a place like Angel Disco where ALL the girls there are working, and a 1 a normal disco where nearly all the girls are just there to go out, not working, where's this place on that scale?

[QUOTE=DG69]Are you still in HCMC? I will be in Thailand for 2 Months in June and July. Maybe I will spent a week in Vn.[/QUOTE]Yes, still here in VN. I can't remember if you came here or not last time...? I think you were considering it.

[QUOTE=Airplane]As Nic said, there is a 10% discount for the massage. I paid ฿720 for the massage and ฿400 for the HJ.[/QUOTE]Wow, how did you find the special characters for Thai Baht? Very impressive. ;)

[QUOTE=Wendella]This sounds more hopeful -- but on a scale of 1 to 10, with a 10 being a place like Angel Disco where ALL the girls there are working, and a 1 a normal disco where nearly all the girls are just there to go out, not working, where's this place on that scale?[/QUOTE]Spicy, Boss, Bossy are pick-up joints, a definite 9 on your scale.

Tunnel would rate 7-8ish I'd say.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy].....How would you rate the girls @ Aiyara in the "looks" department? [/QUOTE]Because opinions about looks and type of experience with someone are so subjective, I hesitate offering mine. What is great for me could be awful for someone else and their opinion the other way around for me. As you and others have mentioned here more than once about these things, YMMV.

IMHO the two who came out the door after me were "attractive", but nothing special. No stunning looks, big boobs, great ass, etc.

I didn't ask to see the other three or four who were there, because one of these two girls was acceptable to me. I didn't get a good look at the others either, because the girl I went with took me pretty quickly through the area where they were.

The only one of them who I sort of remember, I didn't find attractive. Also, she was a bit big-boned, if not overweight. When I left, she was the only one available.

Sorry for such a half-assed, long-winded answer. I'm an old geezer who got started here in Thailand in the late 60s. This is my first time back since then. At this point for me, wherever I am, "acceptable" is good enough. I've read the reports on this forum from January 2008 and if I remember yours correctly, I'm sure that your standards are much higher than mine. Unfortunately, I can't tell you if Aiyara has anyone at that level.

[QUOTE=Wendella]. Wow, how did you find the special characters for Thai Baht? Very impressive.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I installed a Thai keyboard in control panel under "Regional and Language Options" in Windows Vista. I think that you also can install one more or less the same way in XP.

When the keyboard is installed and you have selected it to use, shift 7 gets the Baht symbol.

[QUOTE=Wendella]This sounds more hopeful -- but on a scale of 1 to 10, with a 10 being a place like Angel Disco where ALL the girls there are working, and a 1 a normal disco where nearly all the girls are just there to go out, not working, where's this place on that scale? [/QUOTE]

Spice is that was Angel Disco were before. All the girls there are in the game. Maybe the waitresses and the coyote dancer are more difficult to convince to go to your Hotel, but I guess if you offer enough money, they will do it as well. Anyway some of the Male guest bring their own beer to the club, will say they come with thai bar or gogo girls to the disco. Maybe they just want have some fun, or they doubt to get one FL girl over there. So, I would give this club a 8.

Spicy is different, since I got the impression that many of the girls are part time gf or rents from some of the younger students, expat sons or khao san backpackers. So, this club I would rate with a 5.

Bossy and Boss I don't know but I guess they are similar to Spice or Spicy. Maybe not so full except weekends.

The Tunnel and Spasso. Well, in the Tunnel you will find mostly part time FL. The girls there are pretty, but go there not because they have the need to. The girls from the Tunnel, can be Thai hooker whose work mostly abroad in HK, Singapore, Emirates, or were ever. When they are back in BKK, they might go to Tunnel, because it's not such a cheap place like other FL Discos.
They can be also Students, or girls whose have quite good job, or shop, but like to earn something extra. The girl from last time had a hair dresser shop in that city on the other side of the river, opposit china town.

Well, I weren't in Asia, since last November. My holiday plant for February or March will now be in June or July.

[QUOTE=Wendella]
This sounds more hopeful -- but on a scale of 1 to 10, with a 10 being a place like Angel Disco where ALL the girls there are working, and a 1 a normal disco where nearly all the girls are just there to go out, not working, where's this place on that scale?
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I'd give Spasso an 8 or 9 on your scale.

thai characters on a keyboard - for those of you in muangthai, just go to one of the electronics panthip, mkb, virtually any electronics store and look around the places that sell "pieces" and wiring, keyboards etc. either you can buy a thai letter keyboard (yes, they all have the "english" on them - some have "other languages", though - i've seen french and russian for sure) it's about 300b or so - the "rollup flexible one seems to hold up nut the markings for the letters wears off in 6 or 8 months depending on how much oyu use it.

for the cheap charlies of us, there are stick on thai letters in a sheet - just peel and stick - they last a few months, too, but cheap enough to peel back off and replace. there are some with full color thru the label - the cheap ones are in the 30b range, the full color ones are about 100b (they only wear out when the sticker get worn thru.

install a thai character program language pack on your system and then you can swith back and forth easily (alt-shift does it on mine)

buy 3 or 4 and bring them back - cheap enough :)

[QUOTE=Airplane]
Sorry for such a half-assed, long-winded answer. I'm an old geezer who got started here in Thailand in the late 60s. This is my first time back since then. At this point for me, wherever I am, "acceptable" is good enough. I've read the reports on this forum from January 2008 and if I remember yours correctly, I'm sure that your standards are much higher than mine. Unfortunately, I can't tell you if Aiyara has anyone at that level.[/QUOTE]

No worries, your answer was good. However I am not that picky or at least I am not the pickiest here ;)
I can live with "acceptable"

[QUOTE=DG69]Spicy is different, since I got the impression that many of the girls are part time gf or rents from some of the younger students, expat sons or khao san backpackers. So, this club I would rate with a 5.[/QUOTE]A 5 for Spicy?!? You must be kidding or you have been there on very special nights. The place sort of sucks but it's litterally full of girls on the game.

[QUOTE=DG69]Spice is that was Angel Disco were before. All the girls there are in the game. [/QUOTE]Really? WHen I was there last time just over a year ago, it seemed like there were lots of them who were just partying, with guys. It wasn't nearly as 'easy' as Angel back in the day.


[QUOTE=Pita123]I'd give Spasso an 8 or 9 on your scale.[/QUOTE]Thanks to you o kind sir. Good to know. Will definitely check it out next time there. Better lookers for more money sounds good to me, and 8 or 9 sounds like it's not too much work. All good.

I'm always in BKK for just a few days, so for me, places where I have to put in a lot of effort finding and connecting, and face the prospect of there possibly not being something there, so having to move on and go to another place, all the while knowing that there's places as quick and easy as Nana or Cowboy, well... it basically doesn't pay to go to places where finding something right is an outside shot. Or where it's the kind of places where you need to be familiar with the scene there in order to be able to pick out who's working and who not, or when there are far more non-WG than WG. I don't go to BKK for difficult. I go for easy. I much prefer places where I can see many at once and pick one.

[Quote=Originally Posted by Airplane]As Nic said, there is a 10% discount for the massage. I paid ฿720 for the massage and ฿400 for the HJ.[/quote]I have to admit this symbol confuses me. Is it intended for use by Westerners or Thais or both?

Most Thai web sites don't seem to use it.

e.g. 1,000 บาท
or on Utopia web site:
2,100 B. (didn't use the crossed B symbol).

Now normally westerners would use THB on currency exchange sites etc., e.g.
THB1000.

So does ฿ belong before the number (European convention) or after the number (more like Thai style), or perhaps either way?

A simple web search didn't turn up anything very definitive.

The best place to get girls catering for golder showers?

Is this feasible in Bangkok?

Going there soon.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]...

So does ฿ belong before the number [...] or after the number (more like Thai style), or perhaps either way?

A simple web search didn't turn up anything very definitive.[/QUOTE]

It seems that this symbol is mostly used before the amount and at least it is the case in Wikipedia: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_baht[/url]

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]I have to admit this symbol confuses me. Is it intended for use by Westerners or Thais or both? .[/QUOTE]I don't know why I used the symbol. It was probably because I thought that it was the easiest way for me to show that I was talking about prices in Thai currency.

As you said, on currency exchange sites, you would use a 3 letter code: AUD, THB and so on. It looks like banks and exchanges, at least, use this type of code.

If you want to look into this a bit more, in addition to the link posted by Goyave, the following links have further info:

This link is about currency signs in general, but it does mention the Thai baht: [url]http://en. Wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_sign[/url]

The following quote is from: [url]http://www.xe.com/symbols.php[/url] "This page is a list of symbols used in everyday life to denote that a number is a monetary value, such as the dollar sign "$", the Pound sign "£", and the Euro sign "€". "

It's probably obvious to anyone else, but I never really thought about the why of putting a symbol somewhere around the number. It at least makes it handy to show which currency you are talking about.

If you have nothing else to do and go to the xe.com page, clicking on "Currency Code" in the chart "List of Currency Symbols" will take you to more information about the 3 letter codes.

Sorry for taking up so much space about this.

Returning a bit closer to on topic, I appreciate all your time and effort in making the great maps that you have. I use them all the time. It looks like you have added some places recently. I'll try and check them out, if I can get that far without getting dragged into someplace else before then.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Really? WHen I was there last time just over a year ago, it seemed like there were lots of them who were just partying, with guys. It wasn't nearly as 'easy' as Angel back in the day.[/QUOTE]

Mmmmh, I can imagine that the girls in Angel disco were more approachable. Also, Angel disco might have start earlier than Spice Club. But, my hit rate is better in Spice than it were in Angel disco. The reason were I didn't saw too much acceptable girls in Angel disco and the few decent looking girls were often taken very quick.
I like more to stay long in a club and decide late what girl I take. In Angel the good looker were taken quick and on the end I left empty handed.
In Spice club it's different imho. Since there are many girls in the 7 and 8 range. So, it's easier to find a prey, imho.
Spasso and the Tunnel have some 8 to 9 girls, but of course for a price. I guess 3000 for Short Time and 5000 for LT might be their first quote. You might be able to reduce it, but only if she likes you, or need the money. A solid 9 will have most likely no problem to find a customer who pay what she demand.

[quote=squirt6969]the best place to get girls catering for golder showers?

is this feasible in bangkok?

going there soon.[/quote]
i have heard of guys asking a girl for this. need to choose a less shy girl with long experience i think. offer an extra tip for it and should be no problem.

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[QUOTE=DG69]Mmmmh, I can imagine that the girls in Angel disco were more approachable. Also, Angel disco might have start earlier than Spice Club. But, my hit rate is better in Spice than it were in Angel disco. The reason were I didn't saw too much acceptable girls in Angel disco and the few decent looking girls were often taken very quick.
I like more to stay long in a club and decide late what girl I take. In Angel the good looker were taken quick and on the end I left empty handed.
In Spice club it's different imho. Since there are many girls in the 7 and 8 range. So, it's easier to find a prey, imho.[/QUOTE]


Is this the Angel Disco in Nana Hotel that is being referred to? Did something change there? I haven't been in probably a year and a half or so.

[QUOTE=Pita123]Is this the Angel Disco in Nana Hotel that is being referred to? Did something change there? I haven't been in probably a year and a half or so.[/QUOTE]

Well, indeed Angel Disco is the Disco in the Nana Hotel. It was big a few years ago, than it was closed if I am not wrong. Since a few months it reopen but it's not more as popular as before.

Angel Disco,

You guys haven't missed a thing with Angel Disco. I was a big fan of Angel it was so convienent if you were staying at Nana, to just grab a girl and go up to your room. When it was jumping and packed you could show your key to the guard in the front and you would get in for free.

Since 2008, the place has been in decline, less and less until it was dead! In December 2008, after closing for a short time to do some upgrades like move the bar from the front to the middle area they reopened and hired some show girls to do some dancing to get the folks in! No luck still dead, dead to the point that even if you stay at the Nana Hotel they wanted you to pay! I always got a look for free by saying I'm looking for my friend. I look in if they were lucky there were 12 people and they might all have been working there. When they reopened they had ladies handing out flyers back entrance on Soi 4, the flyers said pay one and the other goes in free. I was thinking you might want to look into paying me to go in! January of this year it was the same.

The problem with Nana Hotel, in my opinion was greed, the more that came the higher the door charge even if you got a drink for free. I think a beer after the free one was 170 baht. The Thai marketing concept seem to be backward... at this point they might as well let everyone in for free until 11:00pm, they might as well since they have to pay the staff to be there. The owner of Nana is loaded and the family certainly can afford the hit until the place is pack again. In December, they also got cheap and replaced all the staff member for breakfast with a outside contracted company. The beautiful babe that was the hostess was gone! What a beauty! But when I came back in Janaury all the staff had return including the babe. But as far as the Disco is concern the place is dead dead and maybe gone!

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Angel Disco,M[/QUOTE]
When I came to this place in 2000, 2001 and 2003, it was packed. Tons of girls. Back again in 2006 it had declined considerably from earlier; by 2008 it was dead. The door fee kept rising. Maybe they pulled some other self-destructive tricks as well, maybe with the girls in some way, forcing them to buy drinks or who knows what. Not sure. Just speculating. But whatever they did, the result was dramatic. They managed to drive everyone out for good. Last time I stopped by, it was about 11pm, they were charging 300-400 at the door, and the place was completely empty. Why would I ever pay that to go into a small empty club?

At this point, even if they did repair the situation by doing whatever it'd take to get people coming back, I doubt they'd ever get the same kind of action they had before. People now go to other places. Habits are hard to break. Unless you're the management of Angel Disco, cuz they certainly forced a lot of people to drastically change their habits.

I don't get the rationale. Perhaps they hate money.

Hi
Some movies from Nana Hotel
Enjoy
Buttlover
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Would like to add my travel report as a tribute to Los and a guide to fellow mongers. April 29th- landed in BKK, at about 6 was in Soi cowboy at 7:00 pm , most bars were not open at that time, some had happy hours, entered cowboy 2, didn't find many good lokoing women, just called one so that I could pass on time (pic in later reports), waited till 8 and moved on to shebas, nothing great here, moved on to midnite, good selection of topless dancers, selected one, a bit chubby however real good in bed and otherwise, had a real good time, only one flaw CBJ. (apr 29(1), apr 29(2))

Went to long gun, nothing much, moved to raw hide, few good ones here, saw a good one real big boobies, perfect infact, face wise was a bit old, nice however, most amazing BBBJ ever, she blowed me to eternity, slept off. (apr 29(3), apr 29(4))

April 30th- after some shopping reached eden club at 4:00 my first time here, the manager who I think was french, started off by explaining the rules, very different than the rest of BKK, do wahtever you want, women were real willing to please, were ok with everything anal, cum in mouth etc. Took two had a blast, thanks to the manager was very helpful.

30th evening- started off with visiting few bars I had missed previously, reached Baccara, I don't konw why I went there women have a real attitude here, anyway saw a girl whom I had spottted on a previous visit, she has good big boobs, which she likes to cover with her hair and dances on the 1st floor, invited here for a drink she didn't turn up, kept sitting when an american friend walked in, who tells me he would speak to her, he convinced her to come over, when she finished dancing, she sat with me for precisely two minutes hardly spoke anthing offered her a drink, she ordered the drink, when the drink reached the table, she immediately told me she would just come back, after that while she kept wadering all over the place, finally she dissapered only to reappear after 15 min, clothes changed and I saw her leaving with another eurpoean guy, by this tme I had already blown 2000B on drinks in this bar alone, said fuck it this is Bangkok I 'll get another chic in minutes, reached shark the bar next door, saw atleast 5 chics I would have killed for only to realise all of them were already taken except one who asked for 3000B, bar finre another 700 B for short time said no, thought it was too much for this, felt really frustrated and dejected, tried few other bars deja vu, tilac spent another 3 grand getting nothing, said to myself I will not go back alone tonite, went over to dollhouse where I met this chic whom I had fucked last year she instantly recogonised me, asked her lets go she said pay me 1000B bar fine, I told her you must be crazy as it is she was sitting outside in her non work clothes, it was ten to two, finally did not wanna go back empty handed so gave her the 1000b, which I till date I think was pocketed by her, anyways we begin walking to my hotel which was closeby, all the way she kept confusing ne with some one else from Hong Kong, kept saying she remembers me from some club called neptune in HK, I am a regular in Hk not for mongering but for business, she kept eating my head with the same giiberish by the time we reached my hotel, I was completly mentally frustrated, I began to recall the days happenings and felt really frustrated, all of sudden she asks me for 3000b for the night adavance, I told her I did not want LT but wouod do St insted, she said ok 2500, I said no, I only had 1700B on me, I told her that s all I could give her, she took all the money flung it in the air, I felt it be a disgrace to the money, anyway its your money do whatever with it, I threw her on the bed, pulled off all her clothes off her, and began fucking her, this really was more of a deperate ego satisfying fuck and not actual lovemaking, after we were done I aksed her to leave as I was too dejected with her behavoiur, I felt real stoopid and questioned my coming here in the first place, any slept off after having a huge glass of my favorite single malt, probably the whiskey gave me some wisdom, and I thought of staying on amd thought tommorow will be another day.

Lessons to be learnt: 1)if a girl dosent really look upt o you don't waste time and money on here there are way too many fish in this place.

Reach your place in time if you get there too late all the good ones will be gone, best time is to reach by 8:00.

2) don't just fuck for the sake of it, as I did, if you wanna know who this girl is, I don't have her photo however I can tell you this a girl from dollhouse who is rather shortmust be about 4ft 11', has a long face, big articial boobs, has braces on her teeth, beware she is poison.

For the two good ones on the prevoius day I have attached some pics, enjoy.

More in next report.

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Some of the best that I have seen here.

Nice Job

Normus Johnson

[QUOTE=ButtLover]Hi
Some movies from Nana Hotel
Enjoy
Buttlover
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Hey Buttlover, great videos. That girl is so HOT.

Should be available at Eden

[QUOTE=Squirt6969]The best place to get girls catering for golder showers?

Is this feasible in Bangkok?

Going there soon.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I was a little bored yesterday (dayltime) and decided to go for a stroll up Sukhumvit 22

Starting at the Davis Soi 24 (where I had a meeting) I walked to soi 22, close to Rama4 is the new AIYARA Massage place [url]http://www.raku2.tv/mbdetail_massage.php?id=R010745[/url]

2 real cute girls (looks like WA and BEE) came out as I walked by and started flirting with me. It is clear this place offers extras and they are hungry for customers because their location isn't ideal.

I told them I had to go somewhere and they looked disappointed but, I will certainly be back to explore things further with this massage place.

Many many TTM joints with girls outside trying to get just about anyone to enter and spend money.

Hana was still there and Rin was busy (isn't she always?)

Passed by Rose Massage but did not go inside, something about this place that turns me off, I don't know what though... I am crazy I guess.

Across are 3 TTM/Oil shops and the one with the girls dressed in pink polo shirt caught my eye. A young good looking girl grabbed my arm and begged me to go with her for a massage. I asked her if she would pay me to massage her? she and her friends laughed and they all said yes (teasingly). She said that she would pay me 300 for massage but I would pay dinner for her and her friends tonight. Sounded very interesting but I told her I would be back. I think her name was Tam or Tum.

Arriving at the Famous Lavender! now THIS is what I was strolling for, I wanted to feel miss JOJO's E-cups on my face. Unfortunately, some other asshole (sorry) was already enjoying her.

Arriving closer to Sukhumvit 2 ladies were sitting on some steps eating Som-tum and threw me the Typical Thai prostitute line: "hansum man, where you go?" I smiled adn was ready to pass them but one lady said 1,000 for 2 lady for everything. I stopped, in need of more information so I repeated:

"1,000 for you 2 and everything, many shot? even back? (showing Anal)" They were positive. One of them looked quite do-able while the other was very average. This deal sounded good as I could have paid 1,000 only for the best looking one and would have gotten as an added bonus an extra lady to wipe the sweat off my forehead and change the condoms between shots.

Then the wake up call came: the more challenging looking one said "No condom can do, ok sir?" yeah, thanks but no thanks.

I think I'll go back today adn try that Aiyara massage place (they have some 10% discount in the afternoon).[/QUOTE]Hello NicFrenchy,

I read your report with interest. You've clued me into a soi I've walked often, but without careful enough observation.

First, could you explain TTM, as it's not an abbreviation I recall.

I'm curious about Lavender. I've seen it often, but never have gone inside. I thought it to be just another polite foot massage / Thai massage place. My interest is getting more keen.

As for Rose, I can offer some information. It used to be Kornwan, but changed hands. The new owner has a reputation for being nasty to the employees, driving some away. One, who went to LoveTeen on soi 33, said that (oh, the horror! ) she does not let the girls address her as " older sister" (Pii) but only as "khun", and that is taken as abusive, apparently, or at least non-caring. At Rose, no photo-album, and no information to report.

The MPs across the street from the opening of that little soi are all "polite" places, not even the slightest erotic touching. However, I just found out that some of the girls will make a date with a customer, but I don't know if you have to pay for an outside-service call. Most of the massage girls are older, real massage technicians.

One day I'll second your suggestion with a stop at Aiyara; haven't been down that end of the soi in awhile.

Soi Walker

May 1,

All looks fuzzy now, yesterday was expensive and not good, anyway as I always feel today is a new day, so I thought of visiting akane soi33 where things have been good otherwise, fix up an appointment with syu, who I noticed on previous visits, looked like a nice looking one, so I book her for 12: oo pm , reach there to find out she looks very different from what is shown on the website the disappointment factor seems to be creeping up again, sign up for the s3 package where another surprise girl joins you later, things go on ok, later I am joined by a new women called she had good big boobs, was a slim and tall one otherwise, only problem with akane I feel is that you can’t fuck them all the way, why have certain restrictions, maybe the Japanese don’t want to do the whole thing or don’t wanna go all the way.

Some pics for refrence.

May 1 night,

By the Evening am still thinking what to do anyway still feel I should go to Soi cowboy and try shark once more, but first I end up in tilac thinking that I may wanna take advantage of the early hours, I do spot a very good looking young bartender waitress who I am not sure will go back home with me give her a few looks but they are never reciprocated, so I decide to move to shark where I do see tow of the five girls whom I wanted to do last night, but both seem to be taken, also there is less of space so the waitress makes me sit next to an American guy from Hawaii called john, who begins having a long discussion with me about girls, soi cowboy bars and nana plaza bars, all of a sudden we are the best of friends, I take him back to midnite to show night before lasts achievement he doesn’t seem interested we decided to move on to raw hide where a big show seemed to be happening but the girls are not so pretty, only 1 perhaps, who is taken, john and I decided to move on, he asked me how tilac was, I replied lot of girls, we could pay a visit since you have not seen much of it, all of a sudden everything seems different the place is full of these really pretty new girls I never saw before they are also dressed differently they don’t even have any no’s on them, turned out they were some coyote dancers who only work here only on Fridays and Saturdays, anyway I was enjoying john’s co. He also started liking girls over there spotted a real god one but my priority was still with the bartender, I already was about 8 drinks down and seemed to have a lot of guts, I asked the waitress if the bartender would go with me, she says the bar fine with her is 1000 b, which seemed especially reasonable after yesterday, so I started by saying Hi, she complied, however she asked for 3000B short time, I thought 4000 B +1000 be drinks on one woman one bar was too much, I began looking around and locked eyes with another beauty who walked towards me for a drink, it was a very delicate situation I was sitting at the bar flirting with two woman at the same time, both were real happy, and thought this can only happen 9in Bangkok, all of a sudden the new girl says she will just return, I thought this would be a repetition of yesterday, got a bit jittery, said to myself I did not want yesterday all over gain, john also wanted to leave as he had found someone, I said never mind I bar fined the bartender, in the meanwhile that she got dressed I kept looking for the other girl who I couldn’t spot, I told myself good I bar fined the bartender, five minutes later the other girl appears out of nowhere, I asked her where she was, she said she was it was her turn to dance and she was dancing behind me all the time and I realised I had moved my eyes in all directions but right behind me where she was, told her never mind I would be going with the bartender, but would come back for her tommporow, she said that was alright, gace her a good kiss and left for my hotel with the bartender, the bartender turned out to be the cutest thai girl I ever met, I had a ball of a time, realise d it was just 1 ó clock, we finished and went back to tilac where the other girl was still available, was also feeling a lot more hungry, asked her for dinner she said she could only do that once she was out of this place, asked he how much she said 600b bar fine and 3500 for ST, told her the rates were absurd, thought for a second that maybe the bartender told her whom I had made her promise that she would not reveal the price I gave her to anyone in tilac, I did wanna be paying way too much, but some negotiation go the best out of her I ended up paying her 3000b for long time, we went first for dinner to little Italy just at the corner of cowboy and later to my hotel, she was actually amazing, a tall and pretty one, she was alonost as tall as me, just 10 cm short maybe, I would guess she would be about 170, everything was great, she slept the night with me I kept putting my little brother into her pussy cause I wanted to do her one more time, finally I woke her up at 10 in the morning, we made love once more, she wanted to leave then asked her if she wanted to go shopping, she said she didn’t have the money, I said never mind lunch perhaps, she did not stay, gave her due and parted with a kiss on her cheek. Actually thought what a night all of yesterdays shit had faded away, life was good again thanks Los, thanks bartender thanks other girl and thanks john for the good company if you are reading this PM me.

Some pics for your enjoyment.

Anyone with any good URL's or FAQ's about how to bring a girl over from Thailand? I've got access to the official forms but wondering what to say on them to help make it more likely to get the visa. She's got no money, no kids, I'll sponsor her and she would live with me. The parts on the forms about her employment history seem tricky. Not sure what kind of visa to apply for (Tourist? Visit friend?)

Boytoy,

After that first report, good to see you landed a couple of winners the second time around, definately nice stuff!

Enjoy for all of us still stuck here and planning!

[QUOTE=Beagleface]Anyone with any good URL's or FAQ's about how to bring a girl over from Thailand? I've got access to the official forms but wondering what to say on them to help make it more likely to get the visa. She's got no money, no kids, I'll sponsor her and she would live with me. The parts on the forms about her employment history seem tricky. Not sure what kind of visa to apply for (Tourist? Visit friend?)[/QUOTE]

I'm assuming the UK is similar to the USA/Australia tourist visa requirements. She will have to show proof of "considerable funds" in a Thai bank (and not just deposited 2 days before), proof of employment in Thailand and land/condo ownership. Basically she has to convince the Embassy officials that she has enough incentives to bring her back to Thailand at the end of her visa. Your writing a sponsor letter will do nothing to help her get the visa.

Sorry I can't give you more helpful info.

MadVic

[QUOTE=Boy Toy]May 1 night, ...

Some pics for your enjoyment.[/QUOTE]
Hi Boy Toy,

This report, being just one extremely long paragraph, looked to be rather difficult to read ...

So I didn't.

(Nice pics though)

Regards,
Daddy

So I realised, next one will be better phrased out.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Hi Boy Toy,

This report, being just one extremely long paragraph, looked to be rather difficult to read ...

So I didn't.

(Nice pics though)

Regards,

Daddy[/QUOTE]

Nice nasty contributions BL. Before sharing, you may want to consider doing a quick conversion from AVI format to MPG/WMV format. I did a download of one of your 1min clips and converted it to medium-quality WMV format - result was compression from 106mb to 7mb without any appreciable loss of size/quality. Doing this will save you a lot of time on processsing your clips for sharing. Keep up the naughty work!

AsianRain

[QUOTE=ButtLover]Hi, Some movies from Nana Hotel

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[QUOTE=Boy Toy]So I realised, next one will be better phrased out.[/QUOTE]
Why don't you just revisit it, edit it, and phrase it out now so I can enjoy it as I did the pictures?

I'm just dying to read it! ;)

[QUOTE=Soi Walker]First, could you explain TTM, as it's not an abbreviation I recall.[/QUOTE]

Wild guess: Traditional Thai Massage ..

[QUOTE=Beagleface]Anyone with any good URL's or FAQ's about how to bring a girl over from Thailand? I've got access to the official forms but wondering what to say on them to help make it more likely to get the visa. She's got no money, no kids, I'll sponsor her and she would live with me. The parts on the forms about her employment history seem tricky. Not sure what kind of visa to apply for (Tourist? Visit friend?)[/QUOTE]Hi Beagleface,

I may tell about my experience last year bringing my philippine GF to Germany. As mentioned the base is a credible story about job and money background (in our case quite easy as her family owns a small tourist ressort in the Phils). But still the german embassy in Manila refused like in 95% of the cases.

We appealed the decision (got this from dictionary.), and now the important part starts: I sent them numerous faxes showing that we talked on phone 5 times a day for some months andandand, I even let my 80 year old mother send a hand-written fax saying that she is sitting in a wheelchair and that she so much wants to meet the woman her son loves so much. Finally we got it released and she stayed with me for 3 months.

Today we live together in Shanghai!

So: either you wait for the refusal and then start to cover them with "proofs" or you prepare these before. And: As Germany has an interview it definetely improves the chances if you are part of it. But to my memory the UK doesn't have one! ?

Wish you good luck, Shamuc

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Why don't you just revisit it, edit it, and phrase it out now so I can enjoy it as I did the pictures?

I'm just dying to read it! ;)[/QUOTE]May 1 night,

By the Evening am still thinking what to do anyway still feel I should go to Soi cowboy and try shark once more, but first I end up in tilac thinking that I may wanna take advantage of the early hours, I do spot a very good looking young bartender waitress who I am not sure will go back home with me give her a few looks but they are never reciprocated, so I decide to move to shark where I do see two of the five girls whom I wanted to do last night, but both seem to be taken, also there is less of space so the waitress makes me sit next to an American guy from Hawaii called john.

John and I begins having a long discussion about girls, soi cowboy bars and nana plaza bars, all of a sudden we are the best of friends, I take him back to midnite to show night before lasts achievement he doesn’t seem interested we decided to move on to raw hide where a big show seemed to be happening but the girls are not so pretty, only 1 perhaps, who is taken, john and I decided to move on, he asked me how tilac was, I replied lot of girls, we could pay a visit since you have not seen much of it. The best thing about this day Tilac: all of a sudden everything seems different the place is full of these really pretty new girls I never saw before they are also dressed differently they don’t even have any no’s on them, turned out they were some coyote dancers who only work here only on Fridays and Saturdays, anyway I was enjoying john’s co. He also started liking girls over there spotted a real god one but my priority was still with the bartender, I already was about 8 drinks down and seemed to have a lot of guts, I asked the waitress if the bartender would go with me, she says the bar fine with her is 1000 b, which seemed especially reasonable after yesterday, so I started by saying Hi, she complied, however she asked for 3000B short time, I thought 4000 B +1000 be drinks on one woman one bar was too much, I began looking around and locked eyes with another beauty who walked towards me for a drink.

Finale: it was a very delicate situation I was sitting at the bar flirting with two woman at the same time, both were real happy, and thought this can only happen in Bangkok, all of a sudden the new girl says she will just return, I thought this would be a repetition of yesterday, got a bit jittery, said to myself I did not want yesterday all over gain, john also wanted to leave as he had found someone, I said never mind I bar fined the bartender, in the meanwhile that she got dressed I kept looking for the other girl who I couldn’t spot, I told myself good I bar fined the bartender, five minutes later the other girl appears out of nowhere, I asked her where she was, she said she was it was her turn to dance and she was dancing behind me all the time and I realised I had moved my eyes in all directions but right behind me where she was, told her never mind I would be going with the bartender, but would come back for her tomorow, she said that was alright, gave her a good kiss and left for my hotel with the bartender, the bartender turned out to be the cutest thai girl I ever met, I had a ball of a time, realised it was just 1 ó clock.

It’s gets better: we finished and went back to tilac where the other girl was still available, was also feeling a lot more hungry, asked her for dinner she said she could only do that once she was out of this place, asked he how much she said 600b bar fine and 3500 for ST, told her the rates were absurd, thought for a second that maybe the bartender told her whom I had made her promise that she would not reveal the price I gave her to anyone in tilac, I did wanna be paying way too much, but some negotiation go the best out of her I ended up paying her 3000b for long time, we went first for dinner to little Italy just at the corner of cowboy and later to my hotel, she was actually amazing, a tall and pretty one, she was almost as tall as me, just 10 cm shorter maybe, I would guess she would be about 170, everything was great, she slept the night with me I kept putting my little brother into her pussy cause I wanted to do her one more time, finally I woke her up at 10 in the morning, we made love once more, she wanted to leave then asked her if she wanted to go shopping, she said she didn’t have the money, I said never mind lunch perhaps, she did not stay, gave her due and parted with a kiss on her cheek. Actually thought what a night all of yesterdays shit had faded away, life was good again thanks Los, thanks bartender thanks other girl and thanks john for the good company if you are reading this PM me.

Daddy 07: the pics remain the same I have not changed them

Take care

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Just back from a 4 day stay in Bangkok - one of my favourite cities. Thanks to ISG for the tonnes of information. Like to add my bit. Some of the erotic experiences were:

1) Oil Massage with Ball Massage by Rin of Hana Massage. Easy to find on Sukhumvit Soi 22 on the left side somewhere in the middle of the soi. Rin was on the counter and asked her for a ball massage. She showed a menu & pointed to a 1 hour oil massage costing Baht 350.00. I nodded my acceptance and followed her into a massage cubicle on the first floor. Underdressed, took a shower and lay down on the table face down. Rin rubbed oil and massaged my back side from neck to toe, kneading my muscles and relaxing my body. Later she asked me to turn over and did the same to my front side. Around 40 minutes into the massge she took over my balls and gave me a super massage concentrating only on my balls & prick. This culminated in a handjob after about 15 minutes. A massage to be experienced!!! On showering & dressing up Rin asked for Baht 850 - 350 for the oil massage & 500 for the Ball massage. Gave her Baht 1000 and asked her to keep the change. Worth every cent or should i say Baht.

2) Korean Sazanka Massage behind former Mambo Theatre on Sukhumvit near Soi 22. Asked for a sazanka massage which costed Baht 1380. Showed photos of various girls and chose one. Led to a locker, where i deposited my valuables. Then undressed and lay on a table in the wash room. I was drenched in water, scrubbed and then a powdery substance was applied on me. This was washed off subsequently & i was given a shower & shampoo. Led to a massage room, covered with hot towels & massaged. Massage concluded with a handjob. I felt my body cleansed and all pores opened after the massage.

3) Tulip Massage on Sukhumvit near Thong Lor BTS station. Owned by Saeng. A regular good quality soapie with all extras.

4) Spasso Night Club at The Grand Hyatt Erawan. Went on a Saturday night, paid the cover charge redeemable against two drinks. Quite full with Thai girls and girls from former USSR. A live band was playing. Made eye contact with a Mongolian girl & she came and joined me. Small conversation and she held my hand and put it on her lap. She asked for Baht 10000 for Long Time, settled at 7000 Baht. Tooks her to my hotel. Had a very girl friend experience with four fucks during the night in various positions. No hassles of any kind, very friendly and good in bed. She left her phone number & email and left the next morning at 10.00 am. Spoke to her the next day, could not see her again, since i was departing from Bangkok. A very nice experience.

5) Called Mistress Midori & fixed up a 24 hour session with two mistresses. Went to the hotel she asked me to go to, was picked up by Mistress Amberly and taken to the Dungeon. A very pleasant 24 hours followed of domination, keeping all my interests in mind. Midori, Amberly & one more Mistress took turns in blowing my whistle.

6) Went to a Thai Massage place on Sukhumvit Soi 11 every day for 3 hours- 2 hours of traditional thai massage & 1 hour foot massage. Good staff, nice atmosphere and great massages ( non sexual)

Had fun in Bangkok as always and came back home satisfied & satiated.

Hardrock47

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[QUOTE=Madvic]I'm assuming the UK is similar to the USA/Australia tourist visa requirements. She will have to show proof of "considerable funds" in a Thai bank (and not just deposited 2 days before), proof of employment in Thailand and land/condo ownership. Basically she has to convince the Embassy officials that she has enough incentives to bring her back to Thailand at the end of her visa. Your writing a sponsor letter will do nothing to help her get the visa.

Sorry I can't give you more helpful info.

MadVic[/QUOTE]
I tend to agree. If you had evidence of a very long term relationship, you might have a chance, but I don't like your chances either.

She needs evidence that she has money and could not possibly want to work on the sly.
Minimum of 50,000 Baht in the bank, a few years back, so probably higher now.

I just checked the visa requirements for two countries of the EU for Thai citizen including my own country. Wow they are pretty tough:

- You need to bring a lot of documents if you invite a Thai girl to your country not easy at all, a simple letter won't be sufficient that you support her more needed.

- And a good thing would be also to fill up her bank account but there are other regulations too. Not easy at alll. If you want to know for sure in your case go on the website of UK embassy in Thailand.

There you will see everything.

[QUOTE=Hardrock47]5) Called Mistress Midori & fixed up a 24 hour session with two mistresses. Went to the hotel she asked me to go to, was picked up by Mistress Amberly and taken to the Dungeon. A very pleasant 24 hours followed of domination, keeping all my interests in mind. Midori, Amberly & one more Mistress took turns in blowing my whistle.
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Can you give some more detail on this experience?

[QUOTE=Hardrock47]Just back from a 4 day stay in Bangkok - one of my favourite cities. Thanks to ISG for the tonnes of information. Like to add my bit.

5) Called Mistress Midori & fixed up a 24 hour session with two mistresses. Went to the hotel she asked me to go to, was picked up by Mistress Amberly and taken to the Dungeon. A very pleasant 24 hours followed of domination, keeping all my interests in mind. Midori, Amberly & one more Mistress took turns in blowing my whistle.[/QUOTE]

Midori has some graphically dominating and tortuous acts advertised on her site. First time I’ve ever read a review of any S&M joint being described as “pleasant” but glad you had a great time and can speak of your experiences in such glowing terms, especially after being there for 24 hours. You must have a high tolerance for (pleasurely) pain.

[QUOTE=Beagleface]Anyone with any good URL's or FAQ's about how to bring a girl over from Thailand? I've got access to the official forms but wondering what to say on them to help make it more likely to get the visa. She's got no money, no kids, I'll sponsor her and she would live with me. The parts on the forms about her employment history seem tricky. Not sure what kind of visa to apply for (Tourist? Visit friend?)[/QUOTE]

Nobody has asked the #1 question. Did you meet the girl in a bar? If so, forget it.

It's nearly impossible for visitors to Thailand to bring back a TG to their home country in the West, regardless of where it is, unless she's got a good job, comes from a good family and has financial means, independent of you. It also helps if you are well-off and well-connected in your home country.

If you're an expat, living and working here, it's much easier, but still a problem if the girl has a sketchy past and no money.

You could always marry her.

The UK and Europe have loads of former bargirls married to (most often) working-class geezers providing them with a life, (far from the dream-life they expected) of loneliness, mediocrity and freezing their tits off in crappy weather.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Nobody has asked the #1 question. Did you meet the girl in a bar? If so, forget it.

It's nearly impossible for visitors to Thailand to bring back a TG to their home country in the West, regardless of where it is, unless she's got a good job, comes from a good family and has financial means, independent of you...[/QUOTE]

I beg to differ, OTH.

Recently, I told the story of one of my dirt poor North country bar girl regulars, who found a sponsor, married him in her hometown Isaan villiage, and went to live in California with him for all of two months. Now, maybe the fact that they were married made a difference, but the guy evidently had no problem securing a visa for her.

I believe that using an agency such as Key Visa can result in success in situations where trying to accomplish it yourself would fail. Maybe there are payoffs or bribes involved, I don't know.

(BTW -- I just enjoyed the company of this young lass again last night, and she told me once more how happy she is to be back in her beloved Thailand.)

[QUOTE=Daddy07]I beg to differ, OTH. [/QUOTE]

Actually you agreed with him. He pointed out that it could only work if the man would marry her, he did not say it was impossible ;)

[QUOTE=Stogie Bear]Hello,

Europe is like Fort Knox. Some Thai are lucky and get in. In most cases forget it. Uk might be possible but the rest of Europe except maybe Belgium is difficult. Most governments proclaim that Europe is full. Besides the information mentioned before she also needs a health insurance or a person who will pay for this during her visit. This can be very costly because most health insurances on mainland Europe are not eager to get this kind of membership.[/QUOTE]The health insurance for my gf was around 1,50 Euro per day (philippine insurance covering Europe); alternatively even Allianz makes it for less than 2 Euros a day.

Shamuc

[QUOTE=Daddy07]I beg to differ, OTH.

Recently, I told the story of one of my dirt poor North country bar girl regulars, who found a sponsor, married him in her hometown Isaan villiage, and went to live in California with him for all of two months. Now, maybe the fact that they were married made a difference, but the guy evidently had no problem securing a visa for her.[/QUOTE]

That's what I said. If you marry her, legally, you can likely do it.

Otherwise, it's extremely unlikely that a poor TG, whether BG or "honest" woman ;) could ever get into a Western country.

I took an ex-GF to Canada in 2001, (who was a dirt-poor Isaan farmgirl), without marrying her. But, I only managed to do it with considerable difficulty even with all the advantages of the following:

1/ Good Job: My GF worked in my university's office.

2/ Connections: She got a recommendation from the vice-rector of the university who was well-connected to the Thai Ministery of Education.

Also, my family, who are reasonably well-off, and who at the time were well connected to the ruling Liberal Government sent a letter of sponsorship.

The Liberal MP from my family's riding in Toronto and a close friend wrote a letter, as well.

3/ I am a professor at a university in Thailand and this is seen as a trustworthy and respectable job - i.e. I'm not some sex-tourist who's fallen for some P4P spinner, he's just met.

4/ We had lived together for 2 years.

She still had to go through 2 interviews and besides the above sponsorships, I also had to sign a letter of financial support for her.

In the end, she did get a 3 month visa.

She's now married to a Brit, who bought her a house in Bang Lamung, near Pattaya and as a result of the marriage and the house, she can get a visa to anywhere she wants.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]That's what I said. If you marry her, legally, you can likely do it.

Otherwise, it's extremely unlikely that a poor TG, whether BG or "honest" woman ;) could ever get into a Western country...[/QUOTE]
So it appears that a guy must pay a very large price (marriage) to get a visa for his tilak BG. :)

What's your take, then, on these commercial agencies that advertise the fact that they can routinely obtain visas to western countries for Thai girlfriends, etc.?

[QUOTE=Daddy07]So it appears that a guy must pay a very large price (marriage) to get a visa for his tilak BG. :)

What's your take, then, on these commercial agencies that advertise the fact that they can routinely obtain visas to western countries for Thai girlfriends, etc.?[/QUOTE]

I don't believe them. There's no short-cut. The only thing I can think of is that in certain cases, they may be able to arrange a student visa to study a language of some sort, if the girl is young enough (quite easy, actually). But, that would require enrollment in a legit school and hefty tuition fees.

A friend of mine from the US used an immigration lawyer to get his wife into the US. They had lived together for a couple of years, and had been married for about 6 months before they applied. But, it still took him almost a year before he could get her visa sorted out so that she could move to the US. Admittedly, she was moving there, not visiting, which was more significant. But, still given she was never a BG, (she was working at Robinson's, when they met) and the fact they had been together for quite awhile, it still proved to be tough going.

[QUOTE=Beagleface]Anyone with any good URL's or FAQ's about how to bring a girl over from Thailand?[/QUOTE]

Have a Thai female friend who is going thru the process right now with a guy from the UK. She is a waitress - totally legit - she has had to get her boss to sign off on her resume/salary, shown 3 months of phone calls to this guy, shown her residency history with proof - and on his side he has to show his phone bills as well, his employment history/salary and so on. Then she has to be interviewed solo at the Embassy which is where if you are a bar girl they will almost certainly catch you out and deny the visa. Another friend from the UK successfully did it with his girlfriend of 4 years but it took a while and he was rejected the first time and had to appeal. Both women have children which may help as they will have to come back to them at some point.

Last night I had a Vertigo moment and am still considering it. Went into Rainbow 1 (ground floor - on the right midways down) with a friend - was really surprised at the nice quality of the line-up - better I thought than the more hyped RB4 - but at one point my friend nudges me and says who does #158 remind you of? I immediately saw it - a girl I went completely over the hill for last year and who decided that she wanted out of the biz and is now back home in Issan for good (so she says). An incredible facial resemblance right down to the cute expressions she makes and the bedroom eyes that seem so deep you could follow them to the center of the earth. I thought hard about going with her but realized that would be way too Jimmy Stewart and I was always creeped out by that. It would definitely be creepy wouldn't it?

Earlier in the evening I had made my first visit to Patpong in nearly a decade. The aggressive touts had driven me away from that place and they are as bad as ever but was really surprised at how dingy the whole street had become. What a depressing place now. How did they let that happen. It used to be the top venue but it has sure seen better days. It will be another 10 years before I venture back there.

Like many of us who live over here I moan and groan about the prices that the go-go girls are charging and tourists are happily it seems paying - but have still been amazed and sort of in awe of a middle aged fellow who is staying at the Nana Hotel who has been taking 6-10 go-go girls every day for 2 weeks - in pairs of 2 like into Noah's Arc - always discreetly following him 10 steps behind - he will take them up and then go out to get 2 more till he fills his quota or fills the room. I salute thee brave warrior. You are singlehandidly keeping the go-go girls of Bangkok afloat in these tough times!

[QUOTE=Shamuc]The health insurance for my gf was around 1,50 Euro per day (philippine insurance covering Europe); alternatively even Allianz makes it for less than 2 Euros a day.

Shamuc[/QUOTE]

A good health insurance is always important. It makes your hospital time more enjoyable.

Dolphine,

One of these days, you're going to have to pass along the address/name of that hospital, because the last time I had to check, in, the "service" was nowhere near as nice!

I have submitted many reports on this board with a different screen name, but since this topic always seems to attract a lot a slams and flames, I will start fresh, and try this time with a new screen name.

I am seeking to exchange info with anyone who knows of some nice sources for bareback sex in Bangkok. On my last trip, I managed to find nine girls who I fucked without condom-all from the bars in Soi Cowboy and Nana, except for once free-lancer. But that was one year ago--and I know that is a LONG time, given the rapid turnover with the girls in the go-go bars. Last trip (in May, 2008) I found some really fine ones in the Mercury, Playskool, and Rainbow II at Nana, and Deja Vu and some of the smaller bats at Soi Cowboy. All of them were cool with cum-in-pussy (although I don't worry about that too much, as I am infertile.) Most were Issan girls, but there were a couple of lighter-skinned local Bangkok cuties as well. Each cost 1500-2000 Baht (short-time). I have pics of some and will provide those to anyone who is interested and can provide me with some more recent leads. Please PM me if you are interested!

[QUOTE=Bangkok Banger]I have submitted many reports on this board with a different screen name, but since this topic always seems to attract a lot a slams and flames, I will start fresh, and try this time with a new screen name.

I am seeking to exchange info with anyone who knows of some nice sources for bareback sex in Bangkok. On my last trip, I managed to find nine girls who I fucked without condom-all from the bars in Soi Cowboy and Nana, except for once free-lancer. But that was one year ago--and I know that is a LONG time, given the rapid turnover with the girls in the go-go bars. Last trip (in May, 2008) I found some really fine ones in the Mercury, Playskool, and Rainbow II at Nana, and Deja Vu and some of the smaller bats at Soi Cowboy. All of them were cool with cum-in-pussy (although I don't worry about that too much, as I am infertile.) Most were Issan girls, but there were a couple of lighter-skinned local Bangkok cuties as well. Each cost 1500-2000 Baht (short-time). I have pics of some and will provide those to anyone who is interested and can provide me with some more recent leads. Please PM me if you are interested![/QUOTE]What ever this mean but they may looking for you too who knows. POLICE AFTER P

[QUOTE=Stogie Bear]Hello,

Europe is like Fort Knox. Some Thai are lucky and get in. In most cases forget it. Uk might be possible but the rest of Europe except maybe Belgium is difficult. Most governments proclaim that Europe is full. Besides the information mentioned before she also needs a health insurance or a person who will pay for this during her visit. This can be very costly because most health insurances on mainland Europe are not eager to get this kind of membership.[/QUOTE]Last 7 years I have invited 3 thai chiks to europe for holiday (6 times). It's quite easy to get tourist schengen visa for 3 months if you have good incomes like I have at least to scandinavia. Girls were 19-24 years old and not bar girls. 2 student and 1 has her own company. Healt insurance is not expensive and your girl get it from Thailand. At embassy in Bangkok they ask everything from your girlfriend. Where you meet and how long you have known each others etc. I hope your girlfriend don't tell that we know each others 8 days and we meet at eden club in Pattaya. My lovely student gik is coming again 25. 5 for holiday for 2 months.

Shamuc,

Without going into a long draw out detail on this subject, I sugguest anyone buying health insurance within a country like Thailand to seriously read the fine print! I wouldn't go with cost alone! I can't speak for the Philipines but I can speak for insurance being purchased in Thailand, thinking you can use it in a country like U.S. and Europe you're in for a big surprise.

Like in Thailand, the coverage is based on the baht! so a Thai policy says you are cover up to 2,000 baht for treatment in a emergency room how far you think that is going to get you in the U.S. or Europe base on their cost of medical treatment?

Thinking of travel insurance! higher coverage but still if you are in a major accident you might as well be dead unless you are rich. And if you were you wouldn't need medical or travel insurance at all. Most travel insurance being purchased in Thailand has a max coverage of 150,000 baht in the fine print. Last year, living in Thailand now and missing skiing alot and was going home for the holidays was thinking of going skiing so I decided to look into a policy. After reading the fine print, if I break my leg the coverage wouldn't come close to covering the expenses.

Read the fine print and base the coverage on currency of the country you plan on visiting or vacationing!

Bangkok Banger,

Think seriously about not changing your handle again because no matter how many times you change it you are still asking the same question. For my own personal self, if you get recommendations from other poster please do me a favor and maybe others by posting their names,the places you Barfine them and even better a picture would be great so that I don't visit anyplaces that you have barfine them. And last, being infertile is the last thing you need to be worry about.

LBM

[QUOTE=Bangkok Banger]I have pics of some and will provide those to anyone who is interested and can provide me with some more recent leads. Please PM me if you are interested![/QUOTE]

Well the majority of girls will offer it, at any place.
And, I am not sure how long you have been posting your many reports but you certainly won't receive any PMs with a regular member status with 1 post.

[QUOTE=Bangkok Banger]
I am seeking to exchange info with anyone who knows of some nice sources for bareback sex in Bangkok. On my last trip, I managed to find nine girls who I fucked without condom-all from the bars in Soi Cowboy and Nana, ... [/QUOTE]

Well, I don´t know what to think about this stupidity ?

How about this: Russian roulette is a lethal game of chance in which participants place a single round in a revolver, spin the cylinder, place the muzzle against their head and pull the trigger.

The form of the game can be as varied as the participants or their motives , displays of bravado, suicide etc.

You are just playing a different form of the game and the bullet is human, so...

Your chances are approximately ... %.

Increasing the number of rounds increase the risk of being killed in any given round of play.

Good luck.

NicFrenchy,

He only has 1 post under Bangkok Banger but as he noted he just change his handle because in the past he spoke of barebacking and he got too much heat! So he thought by changing his handle and then asking a old question he might be recieve in a more postive manner. I'm not into calling people names on this board but I would have to agree with Dolphin12 " Stupidity " anyone who thinks he has nothing to worry about because he is infertile tells me something about this guy no matter how many times he changes his handle. The saying here is " The lights are on but there is no one home "

Maybe some of you might remember but his handle name escapes me. He use to talk about bareback too maybe Bangkok Banger is the same guy?

LBM

The UK and Europe have loads of former bargirls married to (most often) working-class geezers providing them with a life, (far from the dream-life they expected) of loneliness, mediocrity and freezing their tits off in crappy weather.[/QUOTE]

Never a truer word spoken. I know several bar girls who married and moved over to the UK. It is not only the crap weather but the fact that these guys cannot support them in the way that the girls expected. What the bar girls fail to realise is that many of the tourists visiting them for an annual two week holiday spend the year before hand saving for the trip. They hold down low paid jobs with some living off welfare benefits (though how they afford to go to LOS is anyone's guess) To the girls these guys appear very affluent not realising that their escape to a better life means living on some council estate in a dingy apartment, where money is sparse and trips back to see their family few and far between. In fact quite a few of the thai ex WG's in the UK find themselves working back in their old trade just to make ends meet and many of the marriages do not last. That is not to say that some of the marriages do work, but they tend to be with guys who can afford to send their girl home a few times each year to visit family and who have a decent income/nice home. Having cable with Thai TV also helps!

[QUOTE=Bangkok Banger] I have pics of some and will provide those to anyone who is interested and can provide me with some more recent leads. Please PM me if you are interested![/QUOTE]

Please post the pictures. That way I will know what girls to avoid in the future. If they are bbing with you, you can bet they are doing it with loads of other guys. One friend did it recently with a girl who allowed him to do it for an additional 1000 baht. Now his gf has a nasty infection down there that is causing her all sorts of problems. I wonder if that could be related? But hey you go ahead and spread something to a dozen different girls. You paid for it so you have the right don't you? What has actually surprised me over here lately are the number of guys who will only go bb and seem to think they are invulnerable and don't give two hoots about the girls. One sleaze-ball would get them back to his room, get into bed, get head and then try to screw them without a condom - if they protested he would kick them out without payment. You only wish a guy like that would catch something like leprosy of the dick.

Thank you VERY VERY much, you guys that PM'd me with all that VERY useful info! I am getting ready to leave for the LOS in the next couple days, and I will get back to all of you that PM'd me, with those pics--just as soon as I get a little more time!

As to my posting identifiable pics of my bareback girls on the open board--that will NEVER happen! And as to getting involved in flame wars about this--I've already heard all the slams and insults that can possibly be aimed at me, already--so I am really just not interested. Nevertheless, I do feel that I MUST respond to this TOTALLY IRRELEVANT comment, which seems to me to be very close to a PERSONAL attack:

"One sleaze-ball would get them back to his room, get into bed, get head and then try to screw them without a condom. If they protested he would kick them out without payment. You only wish a guy like that would catch something like leprosy of the dick. "

I fail to see the relevance of the above comment in the context of discussing bareback sex. Treating girls like shit is NOT my modus operandi. I realize that bareback services are not "standard". My own standard practice is to generally negotiate up front. But above all, I treat them like LADIES. As for those sub-humans who try to take advantage of these precious girls by witholding payment, I do agree that they are animals, and should be horse-whipped! But please do NOT accuse ME (or the many other GENTLEMEN who happen to enjoy sex the natural way, as the good Lord intended) of being anything less than a gentlemen, just because we like our sex uncovered!

I had a long draw out posting last night but ended ,up deleting the post since I was giving too much information about the U.S. Embassy.

I can't speak for the U.K. but I believe personally that many of the guidelines would be close to the U.S.

I will try to condense what I believe is the guidelines from my own experience in applying for a Tourist Visa a few years ago for my Thai wife. I was turn down 3 times and although they tell you it doesn't count against the applicant the more you are decline the harder it gets. The Embassy agents that do the interviews are trained and given a specific agenda and guideline and they do not have the power to make exceptions only the guys at the top do. From my experience given that you are applying in a country like Thailand I wouldn't be surprise that 9 out 10 applicants are former bargirls! Personally I was told directly at one interview that I would have been better off applying for a Immigration Visa rather than a Tourist Visa.

Certainly if you marry the women you are starting on the right track.

If you are going to be the sole supporter and you're not marry your dead in the water!

She should have a register business that can show she can support herself and land or property. Although my wife had land and property she was denied!

If you are applying for a Tourist Visa and Thailand isn't your designated home you are dead in the water!

The questions are in place to lead them to one conclusion and that is what is going to bring her back to Thailand?

In the end, if you know someone in higher places I suggest you ask for their help. Even then as I was told by a friend that help me in the State Department that no one likes to be told what to do! In the end after 3 declines my wife was issue a Tourist Visa for 30 days. We all went, came back, end of story! After this ordeal, I met a old friend she is now a top Immigration lawyer in California and gave me a free consultation last year about the Immigration process in the United States. Due to 9/11 the process now if you're lucky might take 2 years to immigrate your wife to the U.S.

Good luck, you're going to need it if you're not married and just a average joe!

LBM

[QUOTE=Mortman]Never a truer word spoken. I know several bar girls who married and moved over to the UK. It is not only the crap weather but the fact that these guys cannot support them in the way that the girls expected. What the bar girls fail to realise is that many of the tourists visiting them for an annual two week holiday spend the year before hand saving for the trip. They hold down low paid jobs with some living off welfare benefits (though how they afford to go to LOS is anyone's guess) To the girls these guys appear very affluent not realising that their escape to a better life means living on some council estate in a dingy apartment, where money is sparse and trips back to see their family few and far between. In fact quite a few of the thai ex WG's in the UK find themselves working back in their old trade just to make ends meet and many of the marriages do not last. That is not to say that some of the marriages do work, but they tend to be with guys who can afford to send their girl home a few times each year to visit family and who have a decent income/nice home. Having cable with Thai TV also helps![/QUOTE]

An ex-GF of mine took up with a self-proclaimed convicted drug-dealer from the UK in 2005, instead of getting back together with me because with his substantial ill-gotten gains, he bought her a house here, helped her family and took her back to the UK with him to live. I warned her that with not even A-levels, no skills and a finite pool of money that would dwindle quickly because he lacked the brains to put what he had to good use, that the good-life, such as it was would evaporate quickly. She dropped off the map about 3 years ago and it would be interesting to know what ultimately happened to her. I'm sure it all went bad, and she returned to Thailand older and with less chance of finding a job or another source of income.

[QUOTE=Mortman]"The UK and Europe have loads of former bargirls married to (most often) working-class geezers providing them with a life, (far from the dream-life they expected) of loneliness, mediocrity and freezing their tits off in crappy weather."

Never a truer word spoken. I know several bar girls who married and moved over to the UK. It is not only the crap weather but the fact that these guys cannot support them in the way that the girls expected. What the bar girls fail to realise is that many of the tourists visiting them for an annual two week holiday spend the year before hand saving for the trip. They hold down low paid jobs with some living off welfare benefits (though how they afford to go to LOS is anyone's guess) To the girls these guys appear very affluent not realising that their escape to a better life means living on some council estate in a dingy apartment, where money is sparse and trips back to see their family few and far between. In fact quite a few of the thai ex WG's in the UK find themselves working back in their old trade just to make ends meet and many of the marriages do not last. That is not to say that some of the marriages do work, but they tend to be with guys who can afford to send their girl home a few times each year to visit family and who have a decent income/nice home. Having cable with Thai TV also helps![/QUOTE]
Replied in the Thai Women Opinions And Advive thread, where this dicussion belongs.

(I took the liberty of fixing your quote btw)

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Replied in the Thai Women Opinions And Advive thread, where this dicussion belongs.

(I took the liberty of fixing your quote btw)[/QUOTE]
And now you might take the liberty of fixing your own, as there seems to be a bit of duplicity in same. ;)

The conversation started here and should end here! TT, please define to me exactly what you think the Bangkok Thread postings should be?


Thanks, LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]The conversation started here and should end here! TT, please define to me exactly what you think the Bangkok Thread postings should be?

Thanks, LBM[/QUOTE]
That's an easy one.
Sex experiences in Bangkok that are not better placed in another thread.
But nothing wrong with answering a question in the same thread as the question.

But if Terry likes to switch threads, it becomes easier to ignore his replies. :D

[QUOTE=Daddy07]And now you might take the liberty of fixing your own, as there seems to be a bit of duplicity in same. ;)[/QUOTE]
Thanks Daddy. Either my cut n paste skills are deteriorating or my puter's on the blink!

[quote=LittleBigMan]The conversation started here and should end here! TT, please define to me exactly what you think the Bangkok Thread postings should be?[/quote]

Bangkok Reports thread should be? Reports concerning Bangkok maybe? That way, if someone is looking for info about Bangkok they will find it easily in the Bangkok Reports thread without having to wade through offtopic. And if someone is looking for opinions and advice about Thai women living in the UK.....you guessed it. Or maybe Jackson prefers the Thailand threads all jumbled up, I dont know :D.

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier] Or maybe Jackson prefers the Thailand threads all jumbled up, I dont know :D.[/QUOTE]
Recently, a lot of "jumbling" is happening.

TT,

It seems you yourself couldn't answer the question and be more specific as to what should be talked about on the Bangkok Thread. Just look at your reply " Bangkok thread should be? Reports concerning Bangkok maybe" just the fact that we are having such a conversation on this thread tells you it might be impossible to not jumble up the threads or to get caught up in the conversation.

I wonder why we are splitting the threads? Are there not massage places in Bangkok and should they not be in the Bangkok Thread. Maybe this should be part of the rules everytime someone start or gets off track. Instead of responding to the question we as members take the time to just say!
This is the Bangkok Thread and your response will be found in the Living in Thailand Thread for example.

Now that is something to think about. LBM

[QUOTE=Bangkok Banger]Thank you VERY VERY much, you guys that PM'd me with all that VERY useful info! I am getting ready to leave for the LOS in the next couple days, and I will get back to all of you that PM'd me, with those pics--just as soon as I get a little more time!

As to my posting identifiable pics of my bareback girls on the open board--that will NEVER happen! And as to getting involved in flame wars about this--I've already heard all the slams and insults that can possibly be aimed at me, already--so I am really just not interested. Nevertheless, I do feel that I MUST respond to this TOTALLY IRRELEVANT comment, which seems to me to be very close to a PERSONAL attack:

"One sleaze-ball would get them back to his room, get into bed, get head and then try to screw them without a condom. If they protested he would kick them out without payment. You only wish a guy like that would catch something like leprosy of the dick. "

I fail to see the relevance of the above comment in the context of discussing bareback sex. Treating girls like shit is NOT my modus operandi. I realize that bareback services are not "standard". My own standard practice is to generally negotiate up front. But above all, I treat them like LADIES. As for those sub-humans who try to take advantage of these precious girls by witholding payment, I do agree that they are animals, and should be horse-whipped! But please do NOT accuse ME (or the many other GENTLEMEN who happen to enjoy sex the natural way, as the good Lord intended) of being anything less than a gentlemen, just because we like our sex uncovered![/QUOTE]

The negative reaction you received is similar to the ones many other posters who overtly seek out BB sex on this board received. I don't agree with your BB approach but I agree with you about the ineffectiveness of attacking you or engaging in name calling because you are seeking out BB sex. In my experience this is one of the easiest type of sex to get in BKK; many girls routinely offer it or offer little or no resistance to request for it at all. You obviously are aware of the risks and that it is a taboo subject on this board as you took the time to register a new name to be incognito so the attacks or advices you received here is unlikely to affect your behavior. The fact that you even received PMs from posters on this board advising about the availability of BB sex adds to the point that BB sex is more modish than we may know or want to believe.

That people would get bent out of shape about this is a bit puzzling. The best way to protect yourself is obviously to ensure you (the concerned punter) is covered up but if you are engaging in promiscuous sex, you are taking risks, whether you are covered or not. Know also that for every one poster who overtly seek out BB sex on this board there are too many to mention girls out there engaging in this type of sex. Girls you are likely to have an encounter with if you engage in the game of punting, it is a risky business.

LBM. want to clarify his position so that no one should be puzzle as to my response to Bangkok Banger or is it Bareback Jimmy? or something as it was pointed out to me by another ISG member from the Philippine board that Jackson ban you from?

You ask whatever questions you like and do whatever or however you like cover or uncover. My position shouldn't be puzzling nor am I bent out of shape. I just perfer to be covered and I hopefully I won't run into or be into any of the girls that you have bareback! Us guys on this board and any other board like this are taking a risk just being covered. Although it feels great and there is no dispute about that but there is no dispute that your risk is greater going bareback But don't hide behind another handle just because you don't like the responses you get by asking the same question! and please don't think for a minute that being " infertile " is going to reduce your risk. That to me makes no sense and I hope you come to your senses the next time you use that line!

Nevertheless, I wish you good health in what you are doing!

LBM

[QUOTE=Run Mann]
That people would get bent out of shape about this is a bit puzzling. /QUOTE]

I think you may be missing the point that some of us want to make. I could care less about the health of Bangkok Banger - he knows the risks and if he gets something so be it. I do care though about the girls he may be infecting. To go to 3rd world countries where you can often easily convince girls with no means, rent coming due and a fifth grade education to let you cum inside of them to me is just about as low as you can get. Sexual imperialism. Sure I know people like BB figure they are just prostitutes - born victims - so who cares about them - they deserve what they get - but some of us don't feel that way and actually are fond of a lot of these girls.

[QUOTE=DRRonin]
I think you may be missing the point that some of us want to make. .[/QUOTE]


Moved to the Safe Sex thread.

[QUOTE=DRRonin][QUOTE=Run Mann]That people would get bent out of shape about this is a bit puzzling. /QUOTE]I think you may be missing the point that some of us want to make. I could care less about the health of Bangkok Banger - he knows the risks and if he gets something so be it. I do care though about the girls he may be infecting. To go to 3rd world countries where you can often easily convince girls with no means, rent coming due and a fifth grade education to let you cum inside of them to me is just about as low as you can get. Sexual imperialism. Sure I know people like BB figure they are just prostitutes - born victims - so who cares about them - they deserve what they get - but some of us don't feel that way and actually are fond of a lot of these girls.[/QUOTE]Drronin,

I will say this one more time, then I am done talking to you: I treat ALL women with respect--whether they be prostitutes or civilians. I also come to them CLEAN with recent test papers, and with the intention of neither infecting THEM nor MYSELF. (Do YOU? Have you had your HEP A and HEP B shots? And are you aware that condoms fail anywhere between 1% and 15% of the time, depending on which studies you want to believe? Or are you one of these trusting idiots who believe that condoms are 100% fool-proof? ! ) And, are you aware of what OTHER effective steps you can take (aside from condoms) to minimize the risk of infection?

Moreover, everything I do with them is CONSENSUAL. Though I'm infertile, many still express concerns about pregnancy--in fact, I find that is usually their MAIN concern--so, even though infertile, I still pull out if they request (although they usually don't). Everything you said above applies equally to those who like BB and well as those who like condoms: most of the "mainstream" blue-nosed puritans who look down their noses with such disdain at boards like this, would readily accuse YOU of expoiting these girls, many of whom do not CHOOSE prostitution as a way of life, but it is the only profession that can put food on the table for them or their children. Consequently, I generally do NOT haggle with them over a few hundred Baht--in fact, more often then not, I tip them quite generously, and/or take them to dinner in the Nana hotel or even one of the fancier tourist restuarants--for which they are ALWAYS greatful. So please don't lecture me on "exploitation" and "sexual imperialism"--your argument is logically flawed on too many different levels.

Now, on to more pleasant topics! I have made NUMEROUS trips to BKK, but have yet to try a non-Thai girl in Thailand! I have heard very mixed reports about the Arab and African and Eastern European girls that hang out at the Grace hotel--but I have not yet sampled any of the wares there, mainly because of several rather negative reports on this board. But I AM curious--has anyone gotten (or been offered) bareback sex from any of the (non-Thai) girls around the Grace? Don't get me wrong--I do think Thai pussy is fabulous--perhaps the best in the world! But every once in a while, I get the strong urge to leave a load in a DIFFERENT-flavored pussy--even in the LOS!

So I’m a first timer for not just Bangkok, but mongering in general. So my story has two parts – one not so successful situation that opened the door for a much better situation. Thanks to this forum, I figured my best bet was to start off with Annie’s (now 1700 baht). I figured it’s the best place for a first-timer to start, even if it’s going to cost me a little. Got off at NaNa stop at the skytrain (extremely convenient by the way) at around lunch time and easily found Annie’s (the website gives a great map for directions). Immediately after walking up the stairs I see the fishbowl and mamasan greets me. About 12 girls in the fishbowl, 8 on the sidelines (1700 for the fishbowl, 2500 for the sidelines). I didn’t find any of the girls appealing in the fishbowl – except for maybe number 10 – and I wasn’t planning on paying 2500 for the sidelines. After hesitating, none of the girls in the fishbowl gave me eye contact, so I decided to leave and told her I would come back later. Part of it was being overwhelmed as a first timer, another part was just not wanting to pay so much money for an average girl who seems completely hardened from being in the business too long (not getting the eye at the end didn’t help either).

Walked around and eventually came across the Beer Garden off of soi 7. I noticed one or two quite beautiful Thai girls walking in, so I decided to go in. Inside there were a number of very decent looking Thai girls/women – ranging from 18 to 40’s. Who outnumbered the farang 3 to 2 (keep in mind it’s around 3pm on a weekday). After sitting for a while, I realized my luck. Getting glances from cute young Thai girls across various vicinities in the bar. To be fair, I’m young and pretty strong in the looks department, especially for Asian women. One cute girl who looked about 23 kept looking at me, obviously showing interest, but in a cute way (staring at me directly and smiling). We played eye tag for about half an hour when I finally decided to stop teasing and went over to talk with her. Basically for the next 15 minutes, I learned that she didn’t know any English (except for a few words), but she was still very interested in me. I took her "practical Thai" book and used it to ask her if she could suggest a place to go. She left to talk with the bar woman, who came over to me and told me that I could take her to a place that cost 350 baht. I then asked the woman if I needed to pay the bar anything, and she said no I don’t (still confused about not having to pay the barfine). In the hotel room that was basically fliled with mirrors on each wall and ceiling, I had an interesting conversation with Not. After the shower, she was so afraid to let me see her body, eventually we started making out with our towels on. She quickly got me hard, got on top and started grinding me, and soon made the effort to put me inside. Freaking out about std’s, I asked for a condom, and she was like "oh yeah! " and quickly ran to her bag to get one for me (bad idea because the condom she had was 3x’s smaller than me). We talked for a while, particularly me trying to gauge why she didn’t use a condom from the start. I found out that she had only been in Bangkok for two weeks, and that I was her first client. She also assured me that she was clean and disease free. Given that a small condom would be impossible to get me going and the fact that her juices didn’t have any funny odor to them, I figured the risk was worth taking. And yes it was. Eventually she put me inside of her, slowly because she was so tight, but then suddenly her juices got going and she let me in. We did missionary, her on top (which was crazy because she could go so fast back and forth, and she made me grab her soft b-cup tits in my hands and squeeze them hard), and doggy style. She was wet as anything the whole time and made the most beautiful sounds. After cuddling for another hour, we got ready to go. I asked her how much and she shrugged and said I don’t know. Not sure if it was a game, I asked her again, no really. She smiled and shrugged like, I really don’t know. So I pulled out 700 for her, gave it to her, and without even looking at it, she just smile and put it in her bag. Hm okay. She told me she liked me and asked what I was doing later. She took me back to beergarden, which was a lot more crowded now (same ratio), and her friends seemed all excited to see us (apparently I had treated her well). Spent the rest of the night with her, and as she started drinking alcohol now, she progressively got more and more onto me. She took me to another live band area and started kissing me every few minutes, holding me, staring into my eyes. She paid for her own drinks, even paid a taxi fare to a club, used my money to pay for her 300 baht entrance fee to the club. More and more she was all over me, while dancing she grabbed my ass, had me grab hers, put her hands underneath my shirt, put my hand on her leg to rub all the way up (but then stopped me out of embarrassment, did this several times over), and was constantly looking into my eyes. She told me that she really liked me. I felt a bit uncomfortable because no one else at BeerGarden or the other bars (farang-thai couple) were all over each other like we were, and since this is my first time, maybe I was being a complete dupe. Ended up taking her to my hotel for the night. The experience was even better the second time, she was even wetter. She treated me well, would get water for me, made my bed in the morning, put pillows underneath my head while I was trying to read something. Totally felt like girlfriend quality. Again, she couldn’t speak any English, but could say everything with her eyes and body language (super cute girl). When I gave her the money in the morning, she looked up into my eyes with a serious emotional expression and refused to accept it. I tried several times and she refused. Finally I just stuffed it into her pocket. After we parted she gave me her number. Later she texted me and told me she missed me and will not forget me.

Overall, it was a great experience for a newbie. I guess not so much quickie prostitute experience, but classic lady experience. I treated her like a girlfriend (with a lot of respect) and she treated me like a boyfriend. It made the experience feel really authentic – I can say that the day/night I spent with her really felt as authentic as with a previous girlfriend who was totally in love with me. She’s either into me or really really good at what she does. I know not to fall in love with these types, but it’s a shame to think that she will probably only need a few more months in the business before she loses her purity, well at least until she learns more english. Well at least I have a good memory to hold onto.

As for general tips – BeerGarden is hands down filled with fine looking Thai ladies. Yeah, girls may be a bit choosier than simply getting a guaranteed lay at Annie’s for 1700, but it’s really not that much work compared to the states. So you put in a little work, but you get a really nice return. I would also suggest the effectiveness of the Thai way of kissing (the sniff kiss). Basically you get close to the women’s lips, cheeks, neck as if you’re going to kiss her, but rather than kiss, simply take a quick noisy whiff. It’s actually super intimate for Thais, and you will feel the same thing when she does it back to you. As I mentioned above, there is some short-time hotel that you can get for 350 baht – each room is clearly a sex room with a circular bed and mirrors all over. Finally, I would definitely say it’s worth it to treat a girl well and like a human being, she will appreciate you so much and will tell all of her friends –your reputation will start proceeding ahead of you if you decide to stay for a few days.

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[QUOTE=Nelyk]So I’m a first timer for not just Bangkok, but mongering in general.
...Freaking out about std’s, I asked for a condom, and she was like "oh yeah! " and quickly ran to her bag to get one for me (bad idea because the condom she had was 3x’s smaller than me). We talked for a while, particularly me trying to gauge why she didn’t use a condom from the start. I found out that she had only been in Bangkok for two weeks, and that I was her first client. She also assured me that she was clean and disease free...
Totally felt like girlfriend quality...
When I gave her the money in the morning, she looked up into my eyes with a serious emotional expression and refused to accept it. [/QUOTE]

Nice post on a classic BKK GFE from a newbie.
Beware of STDs from "BKK virgins" and beware that most girls from Isaan don't use contraception apart for condoms. I am told 7/11 sells condoms for fat farang dicks.
She will claim you as moi nai type deal if you let it happen.
It will be difficult for you to go home won't it? Enjoy the company.

[QUOTE=Nelyk]Overall, it was a great experience for a newbie. I guess not so much quickie prostitute experience, but classic lady experience. I treated her like a girlfriend (with a lot of respect) and she treated me like a boyfriend. It made the experience feel really authentic – I can say that the day/night I spent with her really felt as authentic as with a previous girlfriend who was totally in love with me. She’s either into me or really really good at what she does. I know not to fall in love with these types, but it’s a shame to think that she will probably only need a few more months in the business before she loses her purity, well at least until she learns more english. Well at least I have a good memory to hold onto.[/QUOTE]


She was really interested in you. It happens more often than not when you are young and quite handsome and she hasn't been long in the business.

Of course after sometime the dust usually settle and reality put things in place. ie. if you can't (or aren't willing to) sustain her financially things aren't going to have a future.

It's really nice experience if you know how to manage it, and can lead to a great friendship with time and a proper attitude.

Golden rules for a girl (with some exeptions of course) this attitute she got it from a sort of mamasan. She stays with friends in Bangkok mostly a sort of mamasan. Who teach her. If she has friends ITS like this. No girls just 2 week in bier g has a lot of friends. They get teached to have eyes contact)

Of ourse bier g staff not involve.

If she is from isaan then she has family to care of. 100% sure.

She is looking for her farang.

I know many of this kind of mamasan in bier g.

So if you got in love. Prepare your money. AND get involve in what you should know about this kind of relationship. Its all about money never forget this. No money no isaan girl 23 Years old. She have been told not speaking about money baby problems in the first. She know very well how to handel this farang the newbies. Now you are warned. One time more Mr Farang.

will follow this up with some more reports over the next week as i spent a week in bkk at the end of april (and am there soon for another 6 days).

first day in bkk checked out two new places for me that i had seen mentioned here and on another forum.

first stop was [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s off soi. 6 i want to say (same soi as aviva massage) in sukhumvit, it's actually two blocks in from sukhumvit on the right hand side. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s is a bj bar and i wanted to give it a shot at least once. ended up going with a girl named va, cute girl and the younger thinner looking out of the group. the girls line up outside the bar and you can choose who you want to go with, ranging from some heavier set and older girls to some real smoking cuties.

the cost for the bj is 700 baht and the bear was 140 i think (decided to have a beer while the little lady went to work). she took me upstairs to the 2nd floor where there is a series of curtained off couches where you do the deed. the bbbj was great, she does a clean off of your little guy with an alcohol wipe before going to town. didn't swallow but took it in the mouth and then spit it into a kleenex. was kinda nice to just relax and get a bj while enjoying my beer, and then letting go when i was pretty much done. all in all i would recommend for a quick pitstop when you don't feel like going for a massage or looking for a girl to take to your hotel from a freelance bar or a club. open til 1am.

second stop later that night was at annie's on soi 2. annie's has a website, google "annie's", "massage" and "bangkok" to find the pricing information. i went for the two hour soapie for 1700 baht. also got a beer for myself and a drink for the girl (although this seemed a waste as she hardly touched hers). the have fishbowl and 'sideline' (read more expensive) girls at annies and i decided to go with #99 (kai) from the fishbowl. kai was not a spring chicken, been working at annie's for 6 years, but had a great rack and a really cute face. the best part was the service was amazing. she did a great massage in the tub and i'd say if you want to go for a sure thing good soapie experience give kai a shot. i will go for her again likely in a week as i really enjoyed her work (not so much the younger girl i chose from there a few days later).

she filled the tub and gave a good massage using her whole body, i saw there was a plastic mattress in the room if you wanted to get the slide outside of the tub. she followed up in the tub with a great bbbj with a cof finale, not big on the cim she seemed (though i didn't ask her too and just let her go with what she wanted).

we're about an hour in now and hit the bed in the room for a massage now. was actually really good also so another plus. followed up on the massage with a good round of sex and another finale. all in all for 1900baht (including the two drinks) a great experience as i got not just the soapie but also a really good massage and two shots. i think ymmv depending on the girls you pull from here as some have more or less experience (i'll post later on a bad experience here). i'd suggest asking the mamasan aey (or a manager if she's not there) about what you want and who'd be good at it as i know some of the girls do anal, some are good at massage, etc. etc. and the more clear cut you are about what you want the happier you'll be at the end of the day.

more to come fellas.

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[QUOTE=Nelyk]So I’m a first timer for not just Bangkok, but mongering in general. So my story has two parts – one not so successful situation that opened the door for a much better situation. Thanks to this forum, I figured my best bet was to start off with Annie’s (now 1700 baht). I figured it’s the best place for a first-timer to start, even if it’s going to cost me a little. Got off at NaNa stop at the skytrain (extremely convenient by the way) at around lunch time and easily found Annie’s (the website gives a great map for directions). Immediately after walking up the stairs I see the fishbowl and mamasan greets me. About 12 girls in the fishbowl, 8 on the sidelines (1700 for the fishbowl, 2500 for the sidelines). I didn’t find any of the girls appealing in the fishbowl – except for maybe number 10 – and I wasn’t planning on paying 2500 for the sidelines. After hesitating, none of the girls in the fishbowl gave me eye contact, so I decided to leave and told her I would come back later. Part of it was being overwhelmed as a first timer, another part was just not wanting to pay so much money for an average girl who seems completely hardened from being in the business too long (not getting the eye at the end didn’t help either).

Walked around and eventually came across the Beer Garden off of soi 7. I noticed one or two quite beautiful Thai girls walking in, so I decided to go in. Inside there were a number of very decent looking Thai girls/women – ranging from 18 to 40’s. Who outnumbered the farang 3 to 2 (keep in mind it’s around 3pm on a weekday). After sitting for a while, I realized my luck. Getting glances from cute young Thai girls across various vicinities in the bar. To be fair, I’m young and pretty strong in the looks department, especially for Asian women. One cute girl who looked about 23 kept looking at me, obviously showing interest, but in a cute way (staring at me directly and smiling). We played eye tag for about half an hour when I finally decided to stop teasing and went over to talk with her. Basically for the next 15 minutes, I learned that she didn’t know any English (except for a few words), but she was still very interested in me. I took her "practical Thai" book and used it to ask her if she could suggest a place to go. She left to talk with the bar woman, who came over to me and told me that I could take her to a place that cost 350 baht. I then asked the woman if I needed to pay the bar anything, and she said no I don’t (still confused about not having to pay the barfine). In the hotel room that was basically fliled with mirrors on each wall and ceiling, I had an interesting conversation with Not. After the shower, she was so afraid to let me see her body, eventually we started making out with our towels on. She quickly got me hard, got on top and started grinding me, and soon made the effort to put me inside. Freaking out about std’s, I asked for a condom, and she was like "oh yeah! " and quickly ran to her bag to get one for me (bad idea because the condom she had was 3x’s smaller than me). We talked for a while, particularly me trying to gauge why she didn’t use a condom from the start. I found out that she had only been in Bangkok for two weeks, and that I was her first client. She also assured me that she was clean and disease free. Given that a small condom would be impossible to get me going and the fact that her juices didn’t have any funny odor to them, I figured the risk was worth taking. And yes it was. Eventually she put me inside of her, slowly because she was so tight, but then suddenly her juices got going and she let me in. We did missionary, her on top (which was crazy because she could go so fast back and forth, and she made me grab her soft b-cup tits in my hands and squeeze them hard), and doggy style. She was wet as anything the whole time and made the most beautiful sounds. After cuddling for another hour, we got ready to go. I asked her how much and she shrugged and said I don’t know. Not sure if it was a game, I asked her again, no really. She smiled and shrugged like, I really don’t know. So I pulled out 700 for her, gave it to her, and without even looking at it, she just smile and put it in her bag. Hm okay. She told me she liked me and asked what I was doing later. She took me back to beergarden, which was a lot more crowded now (same ratio), and her friends seemed all excited to see us (apparently I had treated her well). Spent the rest of the night with her, and as she started drinking alcohol now, she progressively got more and more onto me. She took me to another live band area and started kissing me every few minutes, holding me, staring into my eyes. She paid for her own drinks, even paid a taxi fare to a club, used my money to pay for her 300 baht entrance fee to the club. More and more she was all over me, while dancing she grabbed my ass, had me grab hers, put her hands underneath my shirt, put my hand on her leg to rub all the way up (but then stopped me out of embarrassment, did this several times over), and was constantly looking into my eyes. She told me that she really liked me. I felt a bit uncomfortable because no one else at BeerGarden or the other bars (farang-thai couple) were all over each other like we were, and since this is my first time, maybe I was being a complete dupe. Ended up taking her to my hotel for the night. The experience was even better the second time, she was even wetter. She treated me well, would get water for me, made my bed in the morning, put pillows underneath my head while I was trying to read something. Totally felt like girlfriend quality. Again, she couldn’t speak any English, but could say everything with her eyes and body language (super cute girl). When I gave her the money in the morning, she looked up into my eyes with a serious emotional expression and refused to accept it. I tried several times and she refused. Finally I just stuffed it into her pocket. After we parted she gave me her number. Later she texted me and told me she missed me and will not forget me.

Overall, it was a great experience for a newbie. I guess not so much quickie prostitute experience, but classic lady experience. I treated her like a girlfriend (with a lot of respect) and she treated me like a boyfriend. It made the experience feel really authentic – I can say that the day/night I spent with her really felt as authentic as with a previous girlfriend who was totally in love with me. She’s either into me or really really good at what she does. I know not to fall in love with these types, but it’s a shame to think that she will probably only need a few more months in the business before she loses her purity, well at least until she learns more english. Well at least I have a good memory to hold onto.

As for general tips – BeerGarden is hands down filled with fine looking Thai ladies. Yeah, girls may be a bit choosier than simply getting a guaranteed lay at Annie’s for 1700, but it’s really not that much work compared to the states. So you put in a little work, but you get a really nice return. I would also suggest the effectiveness of the Thai way of kissing (the sniff kiss). Basically you get close to the women’s lips, cheeks, neck as if you’re going to kiss her, but rather than kiss, simply take a quick noisy whiff. It’s actually super intimate for Thais, and you will feel the same thing when she does it back to you. As I mentioned above, there is some short-time hotel that you can get for 350 baht – each room is clearly a sex room with a circular bed and mirrors all over. Finally, I would definitely say it’s worth it to treat a girl well and like a human being, she will appreciate you so much and will tell all of her friends –your reputation will start proceeding ahead of you if you decide to stay for a few days.

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I lived same moments and emotion on my first time in BKK. Lots of girls are like her

Thank you for your freshness

But would you please use ponctuation and paragraphe. I read our whole post because very pleasant but I used my old eyes

Fred

Hi Nelyk,

It was a real pleasure to read your report.

Happy for you that your first contact with a Thai girl happened in this way!

Keep it safe and enjoy.

F

[QUOTE=Nelyk]So I’m a first timer for not just Bangkok, but mongering in general. So my story has two parts.

......

Finally, I would definitely say it’s worth it to treat a girl well and like a human being, she will appreciate you so much and will tell all of her friends –your reputation will start proceeding ahead of you if you decide to stay for a few days.

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Hello everyone,

Anyone here know of a place where they can cater to a 3 some where me and a buddy can tag team a girl?

Thank you

[QUOTE=DarKxTieN]Hello everyone,

Anyone here know of a place where they can cater to a 3 some where me and a buddy can tag team a girl?

Thank you[/QUOTE]Try Eden.

They cater to almost everthing.

Updates: Thursday 7May 2009/Friday 8 May2009

Started the evening at Kadanga Massage as Sukumvit Soi 4 (behind Soi Cowbow), where the girls are decent looking and once you pick your choice, you are ushered into a small room with a small shower cubicle. The rooms are clean and shower is acceptable. The price was THB400 per hour and happy ending available including FS(paid separately)

Later after dinner, went to CM2 at Novotel Siam Square to check out the talents and found the place primarily taken over by Russians/Ex-Soviet Bloc girls almost dominating the whole room. The occasional Thai local will be at the pool tables or some of the tables.

If one is into Eastern European looks and whilst some are good looking, majority are rather large by comparison to the average Thai girl. Definitely not my scene as my Dubai days have given enough ruskies and Eastern European talent and I am in Thailand, so no brainer on choice of girls. Did not get to ask around the prices as a number of Arabs/Indians were walking around checking out prices with various groups of girls sitting together.

Moved on to Tapas as Silom Soi 4 as heard from friends that it is a good pick up joint for office ladies and non P4P. Entered and paid THB100 entrance fee at around 12 midnite and by then thoughts of killing my friend whom recommended the place started to fill my head as it was crowded with 6 blokes to 1 girl ratio. Maybe my timing was not right as girls may have gone home or to other places. Moved to Cosmos for a nightcap and the girls in Cosmos are usually quite good quality and the place have their regulars as it is not your typical pick up joint as the girls do not go with all customers and only selectively.

Moved on to SOL to introduce my friends to the place just before closing time but they did not fancy a BJ or FS, so moved on again to check out

The next day went to Silom again to check out Infinity JC and yes it is closed, but re-directed to the back lane and where a new MP has opened with totally new finishings with water flowing glass walls on the outside and the aquarium is like a lounge area. It was only 2 pm as very few girls at work as it was a Buddhist holiday. Only 4 girls were available and 2 Japs took the 2 girls and the 4 of us were left with almost no choice.

Decided to head to Amsterdam near Ratchada and the place had about 10 girls working but again was pip to the line by a minivan of Jap expats. A few really good looking ones were sitting at the sofa area. Decided to return another time to take my time in picking as did not like to be rushed.

Called the mamasan at CP but the place is closed due to the holiday. Decided to go for dinner with friends and called some girls still on my phone book from previous visits for an overnight sojourn as was feeling lazy from all the running around.

Will update in a few days of other adventures around Bangkok.

FD

[QUOTE=Fun Dog]Updates: Thursday 7May 2009/Friday 8 May2009[/QUOTE]

So in 2 days you only got laid once? wow that's a new Ratio

[QUOTE=DarKxTieN]Hello everyone,

Anyone here know of a place where they can cater to a 3 some where me and a buddy can tag team a girl?

Thank you[/QUOTE]

I think Annies Massage Soi 4 has this option

[QUOTE=Fun Dog]Updates: Thursday 7May 2009/Friday 8 May2009

Started the evening at Kadanga Massage as Sukumvit Soi 4 (behind Soi Cowbow)....FD[/QUOTE]

Don't you mean Nana? I think Soi Cowboy starts around Sukhumvit Soi 18 and runs to about Soi 21 or 22.

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me]Don't you mean Nana? I think Soi Cowboy starts around Sukhumvit Soi 18 and runs to about Soi 21 or 22.[/QUOTE]

Soi Cowboy is the short subsoi between Soi 23 and Asok.

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me]Don't you mean Nana? I think Soi Cowboy starts around Sukhumvit Soi 18 and runs to about Soi 21 or 22.[/QUOTE]

If he talks about Kadanga, then it's on soi 23, further down the road past soi cowboy and Past Tony's Massage. The Ladies aren't that great looking though but all up for FS

[quote=beller ophon]first stop was [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s off soi. 6 [/quote]

i think you might want to try soi 8 ;)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I think you might want to try soi 8 ;)[/QUOTE]It is actually reachable from Soi 6 as well, through the yard of the hotel (I forgot the name)

[QUOTE=Tiger 888]It is actually reachable from Soi 6 as well, through the yard of the hotel (I forgot the name)[/QUOTE]
Sukhumvit Crown Hotel

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]So in 2 days you only got laid once? wow that's a new Ratio[/QUOTE]

Yes you guys are right, it is Soi 23. Nic, The ratio is slightly better. The tally is as follows:

2 shots at Kadanga
1 overnighter from Cosmos (1 shot only, getting old)
2 shots on Fri night

5 shots and 3 girls is my count.

FD

[quote=hippie]sukhumvit crown hotel[/quote]

this place is weird. i got to bkk one night from phuket late. usually i just show up and can get a room at dynasty inn, but they were fully booked, so as i walked past suk crown with bags draped off me, some guy comes out and offers a room for 1000bht and night. i check in, go up, opened the door, and just started laughing. mirrors everywhere, bathtub looked like someone got killed in it, no in-room safe, heaps of stinking, steaming garbage outside my window. didn't realize it was a short time place. it was a little creepy, so i didn't bring anyone back to the room, but it was convenient since i was able to wake up, go get a breakfast time bbbj at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s right outside the door, step back in, check the fuck out, and go find a proper room.

[QUOTE=Hippie]Sukhumvit Crown Hotel[/QUOTE]Yes, thanks. I had a booking in this hotel about a year back (The name sounded promising, I should have known at that price I couldn't expect anything), went there, saw the room and.... no thanks. Went to a 700 baht guest house around the corner for the night to find something acceptable thereafter.

@IrishLager: brave guy!

I read your post and thought you had totally missed out. This is reassuring. Your writing style has become more economical at the expense of detail.

[QUOTE=Fun Dog]Yes you guys are right, it is Soi 23. Nic, The ratio is slightly better. The tally is as follows:

2 shots at Kadanga
1 overnighter from Cosmos (1 shot only, getting old)
2 shots on Fri night

5 shots and 3 girls is my count.

FD[/QUOTE]

Hi,

I arrive in BKK on Saturday for a week, then probably heading down to Pattaya for a week after that, I have been to both before but had a couple of questions that perhaps you experts may be able to help me with.

1. There may be a few nights when I meet some girls from ThaiLoveLinks for "regular" dates, if I don't take the freebies back to my room (for whatever reason) what options would I have after about 1am or 2am? Is there an after hours club you can recommend. I once went to one with a Russian from CM2 after it closed, but have no idea where it was, it was pretty busy till 4am when I left with said Russian (5000THB if you are interested, nice titty fuck too), it had 2 levels (upper was a balcony looking down on the lower) and was full of girls. Or any other suggestions at all?

2. I am a sucker for deep throat action, the sloppier the better, any recommendations in BKK? (pardon the pun)

3. My room (President Solitaire then JW Marriott) comes with breakfast, in the unlikely event that I make it one day, what are the late morning time options in BKK?

4. Where can I watch the English football, and smoke at the same time? Last time I was there I could do this at Beirgarden, is there any where else?

5. Are there any holidays, non-alcohol selling days etc, between 16th May and 31st May that I should be aware of and plan ahead for with previous pickups or new ThaiLoveLinks girls?

6. One of the girls I have been chatting too online was saying how its very hard to get dildos in BKK, is this true? (as you can imagine, she isn't one of the ones I need question 1 answered for)

I arrive at Saturday 1pm, hope to be in Eden by 3pm, watching Man you v Arsenal and picking up a cute freelancer by evening time, and most likely a Russian at CM2 for desert. So, I guess I better save my energy this week!

If anyone wants to join in my BKK kick off extravaganza, please PM me.

Please don't flame me about my Russian plan (I have seen this happen here before when they are mentioned), only a small percentage of my pick ups won't be Thai girls. And I like variety.

Thanks in advance everyone,

Andy1974

andy1974,

2. they say you might want to try [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] on soi 8, past the landmard hotel.
3. soi 4, soi 7, soi 7/1, soi 11, down to soi 15, where therma is located. basically along sukhumvit.
4. soi 4, outside nana hotel, many places, give busstop a try.
5. see thread for holidays
6. i have seen a few stalls along sukhumvit selling them on the odd side beginning with soi 4.
7. it was mentioned that rajad hotel, soi 4, around grace hotel, and give soi 7/1 corner where coffee world is located.

lbm

[QUOTE=Andy1974]Hi,

6. One of the girls I have been chatting too online was saying how its very hard to get dildos in BKK, is this true? (as you can imagine, she isn't one of the ones I need question 1 answered for)

Andy1974[/QUOTE]


My (English) girlfriend is there now and complained to me that she cannot buy a dildo.

True then!

(Quote)

2. I am a sucker for deep throat action, the sloppier the better, any recommendations in BKK?

Andy1974[/QUOTE]


The best place for that should be SOL in Patpong 2. Try it and you will become a regular.

FV

[QUOTE=Spanish Main]My (English) girlfriend is there now and complained to me that she cannot buy a dildo.

True then![/QUOTE]

strange as it seems quite some girls working in certain MP's do have toys.. so they must be available somewhere....

[QUOTE=Bionicman]strange as it seems quite some girls working in certain MP's do have toys.. so they must be available somewhere....[/QUOTE]

Many get from customers / BF's etc..., I've had many girls I see regularly tell me to forget perfume / chocolate etc... and ask me to bring them pocket vibe's, dildo's and other accessories.

I left my last TGF with a drawer full of handcuffs, dildo's, bed straps, vibes, etc... Wonder what she's doing with them now... Anyone want her phone number? :D (joking folks)

Now am starting to build up the inventory of the new TGF ;)

My security / customs officials just love me as we still hand check no X Ray... It's a wonder my higher ups still let me travel to Asia :D

[QUOTE=Andy1974]Hi,

I arrive in BKK on Saturday for a week, then probably heading down to Pattaya for a week after that, I have been to both before but had a couple of questions that perhaps you experts may be able to help me with.

1. There may be a few nights when I meet some girls from ThaiLoveLinks for "regular" dates, if I don't take the freebies back to my room (for whatever reason) what options would I have after about 1am or 2am? Is there an after hours club you can recommend. I once went to one with a Russian from CM2 after it closed, but have no idea where it was, it was pretty busy till 4am when I left with said Russian (5000THB if you are interested, nice titty fuck too), it had 2 levels (upper was a balcony looking down on the lower) and was full of girls. Or any other suggestions at all?

2. I am a sucker for deep throat action, the sloppier the better, any recommendations in BKK? (pardon the pun)

3. My room (President Solitaire then JW Marriott) comes with breakfast, in the unlikely event that I make it one day, what are the late morning time options in BKK?

4. Where can I watch the English football, and smoke at the same time? Last time I was there I could do this at Beirgarden, is there any where else?

5. Are there any holidays, non-alcohol selling days etc, between 16th May and 31st May that I should be aware of and plan ahead for with previous pickups or new ThaiLoveLinks girls? no, i don't think so

6. One of the girls I have been chatting too online was saying how its very hard to get dildos in BKK, is this true? (as you can imagine, she isn't one of the ones I need question 1 answered for)

I arrive at Saturday 1pm, hope to be in Eden by 3pm, watching Man you v Arsenal and picking up a cute freelancer by evening time, and most likely a Russian at CM2 for desert. So, I guess I better save my energy this week!

If anyone wants to join in my BKK kick off extravaganza, please PM me.

Please don't flame me about my Russian plan (I have seen this happen here before when they are mentioned), only a small percentage of my pick ups won't be Thai girls. And I like variety.

Thanks in advance everyone,

Andy1974[/QUOTE]Question 4: new wave pool bar (soi 7) or gulliver's if you seat in the smoking space (outside); there are bar girl but not so pushy so you can stay quite and have a look around during your program.

[QUOTE=Bionicman]strange as it seems quite some girls working in certain MP's do have toys.. so they must be available somewhere....[/QUOTE]

Yoawarat. Klong Tan market.

[QUOTE=Bearsk]I read your post and thought you had totally missed out. This is reassuring. Your writing style has become more economical at the expense of detail.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the reminder and will try to get back to more details in my next posting. Have been lazy and trying to post just before rushing out for my dinner date with new my gik.(met her at Funky Villa)

The background:
Went to a new dance club, Funky Villa which is located next to Muse on Ekkamai 5 or Thonglor 10 (It is the same road with two road names). The dance club is very crowded at weekends. They have PR girls who will try to persuade you to open Johnies (whichever label) where theyr get a THB200 commission per bottle. The PRs are quite pretty with one particular SYT which caught my eye.

Bought 2 bottles as I had some friends visiting town and we had a great time with the live band playing in the background. The 2 PR girls drank with us most of the night as company. Felt guilty and tip them each THB1000 for their company which they drank with us from 10pm till almost 12.30pm and they agreed to go with us to RCA Slim where we danced until closing time at 2am.

The night was still young and was not sleepy, so went on to Club 808 which closes at 5am. We danced away and there was a few tables with just girls and we flirted with them.

Overall a good night but still pitching for the new gik as have not moved into bed territory yet. All this chasing whilst unlike P4P with a sure end-game gives me a different thrill.

Went back to the hotel exhausted but made sure I woke up early for a early start at SOL for my breakfast BJ. This cured my hangoover as SOL providers could sure give you a slurpy breakfast serving whilst one try to cure a hangover with more beer.

The remainder of the day will come in another report soon.

FD

[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor](Quote)

2. I am a sucker for deep throat action, the sloppier the better, any recommendations in BKK?

Andy1974[/QUOTE]The best place for that should be SOL in Patpong 2. Try it and you will become a regular.

FV[/QUOTE]Describe this place for me. I've heard alot of rumors about what goes on there, and have gotten curious myself ;)

What sort of services are offered, and at what prices?

[QUOTE=Bloodstock]What sort of services are offered, and at what prices?[/QUOTE]

Click on the Search button, type SOL. If you invest as little as 15mn, all the answers to your questions will be there.

[quote=andy1974]
....2. i am a sucker for deep throat action, the sloppier the better, any recommendations in bkk? (pardon the pun)......andy1974[/quote]
andy1974,

just in case you didn't know, sol = star of light. i haven't tried it.

i tried the kangaroo bar in patpong several years ago - i remembered it as being kind of a shit hole bar. it has cut-outs beneath the bar itself, so you can be serviced while drinking a beer at the bar. it is not my thing to get my knob polished in front of a bar full of guys.

i stay away from the patpong area these days, because i just don't like being pestered and ripped off.

i've had some good bbbj's at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], which is on sukhumvit soi 8. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] has private couches upstairs with curtains around you. it has a small degree of privacy with the curtains, although you can still hear other girls slurping away on their happy customers. the girls may not be stunners, but their mouths more than make up for that and they never seem to complain if you take a while to cum either. i paid 700 baht for a no rush service, plus i think i gave the girl a 200 baht tip, for graciously accepting my spooge.

a great way to start the day. they open at 11am.

[quote=nocbj4me]andy1974,

i've had some good bbbj's at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], which is on sukhumvit soi 8. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] has private couches upstairs with curtains around you. it has a small degree of privacy with the curtains, although you can still hear other girls slurping away on their happy customers. the girls may not be stunners, but their mouths more than make up for that and they never seem to complain if you take a while to cum either. i paid 700 baht for a no rush service, plus i think i gave the girl a 200 baht tip, for graciously accepting my spooge.

a great way to start the day. they open at 11am.[/quote]i've seen a few girls wait in front earlier than 11am, from 9am i think.

Last night GoodEnough, my work pal and I had a bite to eat in the Sports Bar at Giotto's/Livingstones Lodge, then headed out on the town round 11pm. Business is definitely down. We started at Nana Plaza and checked a few of the clubs. Lots of girls, not many guys. Good for us, bad for business. My pal decided to go back to the Lodge around midnight to sleep (well that's what he says - don't know if I believe him - he's young, but a bit shy - maybe overwhelmed on his first trip).

GoodEnough and I soldiered on. We checked a few more bars in Nana and Soi Cowboy - not many guys around, but the girls kept up their smiles, hoping for a customer. We headed back to Soi 33, had a drink in a couple of bars where we were the only customers - very sad for the girls. But at 1,500 Barfine and 4,000ST going rate, my jaw dropped. I can understand why the bars were empty. A two minute walk to Sukhumvit will easily result in an equally attractive girl on the street for 1,000 ST, and no barfine. Maybe the 'high-class' hostess bars have a niche market, but it wasn't working last night.

GE and I went across the street into Giotto's Lodge and tried to drag Giotto away from his pool-side PC, but he was immersed in the screen and politely declined (plus he's an old man and needs his rest) ;). So GE and I headed back to Nana near closing time and flirted with some cuties (again we were virtually the only customers in the bars, so we were very popular and got a lot of personal and physical attention, including massages and naughty stimulation from many girls. GE didn't take long to choose a hot little number who was a lot of fun in the club, and they went merrily on their way to the Lodge for GE's third round of the day. How does he do it?!

I was determined to find a dark-skinned hottie, but no luck. I went to have a smoke outside, and before I knew it, the clubs were closing and the girls were fully dressed and leaving in droves. So I found myself at Nana carpark, wondering what my next move should be, when suddenly god smiled upon me when the perfect babe-for-the-night appeared out of nowhere and hooked me. She was deaf-mute, so it was an interesting 'conversation' using her notepad and a few melodic noises from her, and a very interesting night back in the Lodge (see Part 2 later - my head still hurts so I'm going back to bed).

[QUOTE=Piper1]...We headed back to Soi 33, had a drink in a couple of bars where we were the only customers - very sad for the girls. But at 1,500 Barfine and 4,000ST going rate, my jaw dropped. I can understand why the bars were empty...[/QUOTE]
Geez, so can I! No doubt there are some nice factory jobs available for these unfortunate young ladies, as no one in his right mind is going to pay that kind of money for a short time lay.

[QUOTE=Bionicman]strange as it seems quite some girls working in certain MP's do have toys.. so they must be available somewhere....[/QUOTE]
Some poor quality ones have been seen on Suk or at PatPong.
Otherwise I buy them OS for the girls.

I had the best of intentions for a threesome in Eden Club this afternoon. But by the time I walked 20 minutes from Giotto's at Soi 33 down to Soi 7 in the pre-storm humidity, I was drenched in sweat, and bushed. At least I sweated off my hangover from last night's misdaventures (more on that later).

Instead of Eden Club, I found myself in a health clinic near Soi 7, sweating away, and the happy shop assistant made me drink a bottle of ginseng - tasted bad, but it worked - pepped me up a bit. I actually popped into the clinic because I saw a sign saying 'HIV testing". I had a blood test (1,000Baht) went and did some shopping for the family, and went back 15 minutes later for the result. Negative. (I'll write a quick post about the clinic in the Thailand Safe Sex thread later).

Next I went to my favorite eatery in BKK - the open-air seafood cafe in Soi 7 across from Biergarten. Had a plate of about 30 sweet small oysters on ice (I only ordered 12) and a delicious big steamed crab in soy sauce and garlic, and a large Singha beer. 800Baht all up.

Finally the storm came just as my food arrived - heavy rain pissing down hard on the iron roof, thunder and lightening cracking away while I ate seafood and drank a cold Singha in the open balmy air and watched pretty girls scurrying around in the rain. Ah, life is good.

Then I headed across the street to Biergarten - only about 10 girls - one supercutie smiled at me, but I was still a bit under the weather and sweating, so I knew I couldn't give her the sex she deserved. So I hopped in a tuk-tuk to get back to Giottos for a rest and a shower. I have a few hours left before I leave Bangkok, so I might pop into Teen Massage a few metres from Giotto's and have a couple of girls pamper me with a two-hour oily massage, including ball massage, then double boom-boom. Just what the doctor ordered! (besides, I need to get the ginseng and 30 oysters out of my system).

Here's a few touristy snaps from the phonecam this afternoon.

[QUOTE=Piper1]
I was determined to find a dark-skinned hottie, but no luck. I went to have a smoke outside, and before I knew it, the clubs were closing and the girls were fully dressed and leaving in droves. So I found myself at Nana carpark, wondering what my next move should be, when suddenly god smiled upon me when the perfect babe-for-the-night appeared out of nowhere and hooked me. She was deaf-mute, so it was an interesting 'conversation' using her notepad and a few melodic noises from her, and a very interesting night back in the Lodge (see Part 2 later - my head still hurts so I'm going back to bed).[/QUOTE]

Well now I do know you have some taste after all Piper :D

[QUOTE=Fifty Fifty]
Skulking in the background under the trees, I spot two girls clinging together; the skinny one is youngish and interests me, so I go over for a closer look. Her friend introduces them both, the younger one is 22 and looks quite good, but she is a Deaf/Mute and cannot talk to me or hear a word I say. However she can write damn good English and lip-read it too. Fortunately I am a patient guy and we scribble notes with the usual questions and her friend, who manages the communications very well, says she thinks I am a nice guy, please will I take the Deaf Mute Girl. The girls tell me they have been there from 9 pm and it is now 2 am, times are difficult. Now I have a taste for a bit of variety, but I look at the Deaf/Mute, this is going to be very interesting. After further note scribbling a price of 2000 Long Time is agreed and off we all go. I am a little concerned that her friend, who is following us, will want to stay with her to assist with the communications, but she says she lives near my hotel and only wants a lift up the road.

Entering the Hotel, much hand waving and nodding ensues as the quiet girl heads for the shower. We have a really good time and after a night of fucking and BBBJ's in between the scribbling, nodding and hand waving, all I can say is ‘’interesting’’ ???

Actually the girl was very nice, never moaned or asked for anything more, and she only squeaked a bit !!! Perhaps the neighbours think I have moved out !![/QUOTE]

From my "Keeping Schtumm" post of last September, just wondered how she was keeping cos I am caring sort of guy as you know :)

Cheers, FF

[QUOTE=Piper1]Next I went to my favorite eatery in BKK - the open-air seafood cafe in Soi 7 across from Biergarten. Had a plate of about 30 sweet small oysters on ice (I only ordered 12) and a delicious big steamed crab in soy sauce and garlic, and a large Singha beer. 800Baht all up.[/QUOTE]I balked at eating there last time I was in BKK because I thought the prices were inflated. But that could have been because I just arrived from Singapore, where I found food prices to be very cheap, and the food excellent. Should I reconsider and try next time?

[QUOTE=Fifty Fifty]
From my "Keeping Schtumm" post of last September, just wondered how she was keeping cos I am caring sort of guy as you know :)
[/QUOTE]

There sure must be an illicit, guilty pleasure in screwing a lovely deaf and dumb girl - like having it off with Helen Keller, or something:D.

Very naughty.


[QUOTE=Piper1]Last night GoodEnough, my work pal and I had a bite to eat in the Sports Bar at Giotto's/Livingstones Lodge...

GoodEnough and I soldiered on...

GE and I went across the street into Giotto's Lodge... [/QUOTE]

Hope GE bought you a few beers for ghost writing his reports. He is obviously a bit too busy doing other things;).

I saw this on craigslist the other day put out there by a fellow mongerer for our information....but the prices seem a bit low.

Beautiful girls, Huge selection, Reasonable charges:

Location:

Nana Plaza Bars/Parking lot 1,000 B.+for short time
Patpong Bars 1,000 B.+ for short time.
Thermae (between Sukhumvit Soi 13 and Soi 15) 1,000 B+ for short time
Bars (e.g. some pool bars) 1,000 B_ for short time.
Sukumvit soi 3 to Asoke 1,000 B+ for short time
Soi Cowboy mostly 1,000 B+ for shrot time.
Siam Hotel Coffee Shop. I dont know how much.
Beer Garden (Sukhumvit Soi 7) 1,000 B. for short time

Spasso (Hyatt Erawan), and Rivas (Sheraton Grande Sukhumvit)
2,000 B.+ for short time.
CM2 (Novotel Siam Square), 2,000 B.around 60% classy ladies 30% normal.
It is best to go to these places and see the gals in person. Talk to them.

I love girl from Beer Garden (Sukhumvit Soi 7) because they are offer very good rate.
More girls in Rachada discos or RCA discos.
Many more in karaokes, MP and just about everywhere.
Go with the non-pros who provide real G.F.E. They are young, fresh and honest.

Prices are ok, I can get cheaper for short time, but if you take your average person then thats what they would pay.

This person is posting on there to warn others that the adverts about "short time B cup girl with GFE for just 4000Baht" are extreme rip offs.

By letting every reader know what they "should" be paying in Bangkok, it prevents these scam artists who advertise on the internet trying to rip off people from being able too.

Sadly there are still lots of people who simply have no idea about Bangkok or who are too shy to go out by themsevles, and they simply call up these girls from the internet, have an awful very short time and pay 4000B or 5000B for it.

They should really remove the Siam Hotel Coffee shop, cause it was demolished some time ago now.

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me]I saw this on craigslist the other day put out there by a fellow mongerer for our information....but the prices seem a bit low.

Beautiful girls, Huge selection, Reasonable charges:

Location:

Nana Plaza Bars/Parking lot 1,000 B.+for short time
Patpong Bars 1,000 B.+ for short time.
Thermae (between Sukhumvit Soi 13 and Soi 15) 1,000 B+ for short time
Bars (e.g. some pool bars) 1,000 B_ for short time.
Sukumvit soi 3 to Asoke 1,000 B+ for short time
Soi Cowboy mostly 1,000 B+ for shrot time.
Siam Hotel Coffee Shop. I dont know how much.
Beer Garden (Sukhumvit Soi 7) 1,000 B. for short time

Spasso (Hyatt Erawan), and Rivas (Sheraton Grande Sukhumvit)
2,000 B.+ for short time.
CM2 (Novotel Siam Square), 2,000 B.around 60% classy ladies 30% normal.
It is best to go to these places and see the gals in person. Talk to them.

I love girl from Beer Garden (Sukhumvit Soi 7) because they are offer very good rate.
More girls in Rachada discos or RCA discos.
Many more in karaokes, MP and just about everywhere.
Go with the non-pros who provide real G.F.E. They are young, fresh and honest.[/QUOTE]

[quote=nocbj4me]andy1974,

just in case you didn't know, sol = star of light. i haven't tried it. i tried the kangaroo bar in patpong several years ago. i remembered it as being kind of a shit hole bar. it has cut-outs beneath the bar itself, so you can be serviced while drinking a beer at the bar. it is not my thing to get my knob polished in front of a bar full of guys. i stay away from the patpong area these days, because i just don't like being pestered and ripped off.

i've had some good bbbj's at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], which is on sukhumvit soi 8. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] has private couches upstairs with curtains around you. it has a small degree of privacy with the curtains, although you can still hear other girls slurping away on their happy customers. the girls may not be stunners, but their mouths more than make up for that and they never seem to complain if you take a while to cum either. i paid 700 baht for a no rush service, plus i think i gave the girl a 200 baht tip, for graciously accepting my spooge.

a great way to start the day. they open at 11am.[/quote]will the girls at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s also do full service in those curtained booths? and if so, what is the average price? (i just enjoy cumming in a pussy much more than a mouth!)

[QUOTE=Fifty Fifty]Well now I do know you have some taste after all Piper :D


Cheers, FF[/QUOTE]FF - thanks for saving me the trouble of writing up my experience with the deaf/mute girl - it was pretty much the same as your "Keeping Schtumm" post (except she had no friend to assist communication). While she couldn't talk, she made sing-song melodic noises while using sign-language and pointing to her notes. Later in the heat of the moment in bed she made loud donkey-like noises - "Haw! ... Haw! ... Haw!" Something different! She was a lot of fun and very sweet. I did test her out to see if she really was deaf (by calling her name loudly from behind her on a couple of occasions - no reaction). She looked like a darker version of Nui, the girl I took from Teen Love Massage in Soi 33 last night (see photos).

Speaking of deaf/mute people - there are many of them selling clothes, DVDs and touristy stuff on the Suhkumvit street-market stalls. They communicate with customers by using a large calculator and hand signals. Last time I was in BKK I suspected they might be putting on an act because they couldn't speak English. This time I looked more closely and noticed many of them communicating with each other in sign language. I'm curious why there are so many deaf/mute people working the stalls - probably at least 10% of them.
____

Just got home to Dubai, straight from the jacuzzi room session with Nui from Teen Massage. I wanna go back! I just told my wife I'm bringing her to Thailand in September but she said she's making plans for us to go to Italy with an Italian friend. No problems. They can go to Italy, I will go to Thailand. :D

The reason why I am writing this is to illustrate the possible range of service / performance one can get at two of BKK’s best GoGo Bars - Baccara and Rainbow 4. I am not knocking either establishment. I like them both and frequent them whenever I am in town. The point I’d like to make is that your experience at these places depends on the girl you select. It can be great or it can be mediocre. This is also true at the best massage parlors (soapy and oily) too, but I believe there is less variance and more uniformity of service at the parlors. Perhaps this is because service is on site or just because parlor girls are better managed. I do not know.

Baccara: There are some valid criticisms of Baccara. The music is too loud and kinda sucks. The bar fine is more expensive than anywhere else and for some reason the girls must order their drinks before you can take them out. But this place has the best selection of hot girls on Cowboy. Come ON!

On one particular evening, I arrived at around 8pm and the place was packed and rocking. The clientele was an international mix of Japanese, westerners and locals. I spotted 4 girls on stage that were really pretty i.e. they were at least 7 or higher in face and body. I had trouble deciding who I wanted to be with. I kinda made up my mind on one beautiful tall girl with long black hair. My second choice was a petite girl dancing next to long black hair. Petite girl had a streak of dark blond hair mixed in with her black hair. The set ended and long black hair immediately walked over to a Japanese businessman who was waiting for her. A little disappointed, I knew I had to act or petite girl might get snapped up too. I found petite girl over by the bar. I said hello and asked her to join me for a drink. She smiled and accepted.

Petite girl whose name was Tava could not have weighed more than 87 lbs and she was hot. I ordered drinks and we talked a little. Tava told me she was a new girl and to prove it showed me that Baccara had not yet given her a number. I did not care. All I cared about was that she was very pretty and had a nice demure personality. She seemed very friendly so I told her I wanted to make love. I paid up, she got her street clothes on and off we went.

Now at the hotel Tava acted a little precocious at first. In the room (which had been remodeled since my last visit 2 years ago), Tava said she was thirsty and asked me to get her a bottle of water. Ok, I went out to the front desk and got some water. Next, Tava wanted to smoke a cigarette. I told her fine, then she explained she wanted US to smoke together. I told her I did not smoke. She said she did not want to smoke alone. Now at this point I am thinking what’s going on? Let’s just do the do! But hey I was willing to play along up to a point so I told her to give me a cig. We light up, smoke and we talk. Tava tells me a little about herself and asks me where I am staying, how long I will be in BKK, and how she would like to come to my hotel room next time we meet.

Everything is friendly so now it’s time to undress and shower, but Tava insists I shower alone. Now I like soapy shower massages. Who doesn’t. They get me horny. But Tava would not shower with me, and even though I am disappointed, since we have not reached the breaking point, I do quick solo shower to make her happy and to get the show on the road. (I already showered in my hotel before I went out so this was totally superfluous). I come back into the room, Tava hands me a towel and she goes into the shower alone. I peak in and she modestly asks me not to come in. I sit on the bed and wait for my princess to return. Tava comes out of the shower and comes over to me wrapped up in a towel. I sit up and finally we kiss for the first time. I pull her towards me and remove her towel. I am not disappointed. She has an amazing body. Everything is in perfect proportion. Tiny round tities, tiny ass, perfect skin and beautiful face. She leans over and gives my dick a couple of bare kisses before she lays down next to me on the bed (no blow job). I let it go. We start kissing. Tava becomes very responsive to all my moves and I start to enjoy the session. I won’t bore you with the details but say we had some very nice sex in multiple positions. Her tiny pussy was fantastic and Tava was very passionate. There were no fake moans or phony orgasms. It was just a man and a women getting it on and losing ourselves briefly in each other.

I was satisfied despite some of the shortcomings which included no second shot. After all this is typical Go Go service. I gave her a ten dollar tip. Normally if I like a girl I give her 500bt or more, but no soapy shower or blow job forced me to deduct points. Tava gave me her phone number. She asked me to call her next time I wanted her and she would come over to my hotel. I figured that if we did it another time at my hotel there would be more. I was leaving BKK for a road road trip up north to Mae Hong Son and then an excursion to Cambodia. It would be 3 weeks before I would be back in BKK, but told her I would call her when I came back. I meant it. This session with Tava was like a first date. And for a first date, things went pretty well. We walked back to Baccara arm in arm. I bought a round of drinks and she stayed close till she was told to get ready for her next set. I watched her onstage for a while and still thought she was hot. After a while I took my cue, waved goodbye and left.

I had a great time up in the hill country and an even better time in Cambodia. When I got back to BKK I did not call Tava right away. First I got sidetracked by a girl at Angel Massage and then by another hottie at Rainbow 4. Bkk has a lot of distractions. I did not see Tava when I finally made it back to Baccara. I asked some of the girls about her and no one knew anything. Finally I talked to the mamasan. She remembered Tava but said she left the Go Go shortly after she arrived. I thought about calling her but never did. Oh well that’s the way it goes in the city of angels.

Conclusion:

Baccara is one of the best Go Go’s with a great selection of girls. 5 years ago I went exclusively to Go Go Bars for babes. Today I get maybe 25% of my action at go go’s and 75% from massage parlors. I still like the go go format. I like to go there at night to have a beer or two, check out the girls and sometimes take a girl out. The best massage parlors have same proportion of attractive girls. I like going to the massage parlors during the afternoon and maybe, because the service is performed in house, is more reliable. When I order the 90 minute massage at my favorite places, I always get 2 or 3 pops plus a soapy shower massage and bbbj.

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[quote=bangkok banger]will the girls at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s also do full service in those curtained booths? and if so, what is the average price? (i just enjoy cumming in a pussy much more than a mouth!)[/quote]yes. 700 for the bj, plus 400 for full sex. here's a bit of a report from a previous trip:[quote=piper1]i popped into [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s on the way to the airport as i had an hour to spare and had never been there. after leading an elephant to the side of the alley so i could get inside [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] (seriously), i chose a girl and went upstairs to one of the curtained cubicles and she got on her knees and did her thing - very expert. because i had already shagged two girls in different sessions earlier in the day, even her expert bj just could not make me come after 30 minutes. it was hard work for her, but the sweetie didn't complain, she just stopped occasionally to catch her breath, then soldiered on. i looked at my watch and realized i had only thirty minutes before i had to rush to the airport.

a 400baht tip had her clothes off (except her [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] skirt) and me taking her hard and fast doggy-style for the next 20 minutes until i eventually came. we were both panting throughout (muffled panting, as there were people inches away from us behind curtains) and when i finally came, exhausted, she collapsed with her head on my lap for a few minutes while we caught our breath. seeing the feet of a girl on her knees in the next cubicle under the curtain was a bit of a distraction during sex. i was tempted to tickle her feet, but i didn't think her customer would appreciate her laughing while blowing him. ;)[/quote]

[quote=bangkok banger]will the girls at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s also do full service in those curtained booths? and if so, what is the average price? (i just enjoy cumming in a pussy much more than a mouth!)[/quote]

i can't tell you if the girls at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s do bbfs, if that is what you are asking. piper1's post of his fs session there, is the first i've read about.

[QUOTE=Piper1]Yes. 700 for the BJ, plus 400 for full sex. Here's a bit of a report from a previous trip:[/QUOTE]Not all girls. When I went there, the girl would not even take her clothes off. Serves me right for choosing a pretty one.

Anybody have any experience in Saphan Kwai on Sutthisan Road. Saw it mentioned in The Asia Bugle and it sound very interesting.

Thanks,
Slim

[QUOTE=Nvslim]Anybody have any experience in Saphan Kwai on Sutthisan Road.[/QUOTE]

Sure do. It's not bad, if you keep your wits about you, and don't imagine you're in Soi Cowboy. You don't have to buy lady drinks (though you can) but clock starts ticking when girl sits down, you pay for her time, something like 100b/40mins, I forget what. They'll push fruits and nuts to up the bill. If you don't know a bit of Thai you're at a definite disadvantage.

Hi Guys,

I will be in Bangkok for an evening in July on the way back from Europe to HK.
Because of the time constraints I really do not have much time to investigate the scene.

I am really interested in "higher end" mongering - the $$$ is not an issue. I realise this is quite subjective so having read the forum should I :

1. Go to bars like Spasso / CM2.

2. Go to soapie like Poseidon.

3. I also heard about a bar called Napolean on Soi 33 but there is not much info about this place in the forum - any updates?

4. Any other recommendations taht fit my requests?

Guys, at the top end bars like spasso do they let ladyboys in or are we pretty safe there?

Thanks,

Dabeast

[quote=nocbj4me]i can't tell you if the girls at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s do bbfs, if that is what you are asking. piper1's post of his fs session there, is the first i've read about.[/quote]

i've done fs there twice with 2 different girls. all covered though and both times i went upstairs to the room on the 3rd floor above the curtained room. it's more private up there, which i suppose for some defeats the purpose of going to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. one of the girls for sure was pim who i think is still there.

[quote=pablo]i've done fs there twice with 2 different girls. all covered though and both times i went upstairs to the room on the 3rd floor above the curtained room. it's more private up there, which i suppose for some defeats the purpose of going to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. one of the girls for sure was pim who i think is still there.[/quote]sometimes you can even get the fs downstairs behind the curtains. had one that could not get me off (was my fault, because of too much f***ing around, but she took it personal). the lady just sait "wait a moment", came back with a condom, put it, put herself and rode me to heaven.

she didn't increase the price even. thats service attitude!

mike

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]



I paid up, she got her street clothes on and off we went.

[/QUOTE]
What was the total damage?

[QUOTE=The Pro]Prices are ok, I can get cheaper for short time, [/QUOTE]
Where and how much? What kind of quality?

[QUOTE=Mp Lover]Not all girls. When I went there, the girl would not even take her clothes off. Serves me right for choosing a pretty one.[/QUOTE]

If this is the case then you have every right to send her back downstairs adn pick another girl

[QUOTE=Amjeck]What was the total damage?[/QUOTE]Let's see:

Girl 1500

Bar fine 900

Short time hotel. Can't remember 300?

Tip 350

Total 3050tbt which does not include my beers. Not cheap by any means, but that is the going rate at Baccara.

It would have been interesting to hook up with Tava again. I think we would have gotten more intimate on a second meeting in my hotel. Again, my session with her was like a first date. I rate her: Face 7. 5 / Body 9 (pussy 9. 5) / and the actual sex act itself 8. But there was a lot we did not do, and that is too bad.

[quote=dabeast]hi guys,

i will be in bangkok for an evening in july on the way back from europe to hk.
because of the time constraints i really do not have much time to investigate the scene.

i am really interested in "higher end" mongering - the $$$ is not an issue. i realise this is quite subjective so having read the forum should i :

1. go to bars like spasso / cm2.

2. go to soapie like poseidon.
thanks,

dabeast[/quote]

all of the above.

[quote=dabeast]
3. i also heard about a bar called napolean on soi 33 but there is not much info about this place in the forum - any updates?
[/quote]
nope, no more updates. why don't you visit and post an fr.

[quote=dabeast]4. any other recommendations taht fit my requests?

guys, at the top end bars like spasso do they let ladyboys in or are we pretty safe there?[/quote]
4. you got it. enough for one evening.

you can't escape the ladyboys, they are an integral part of thai society, p4p or not. what are you scared of? that the moment they see you they will kidnap and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] you?:d

[QUOTE=Dabeast]...
3. I also heard about a bar called Napolean on Soi 33 but there is not much info about this place in the forum - any updates?

4. Any other recommendations taht fit my requests?
...
[/QUOTE]Dabeast,

I would not recommend to go to Napoleon on Soi 33 -try Renoir.

And then there are some other places for "higher end" mongering:

[b]Gentlemen Clubs:[/b] Pegasus, The Ritz, Forte, Caribbean, Exotica, The Pent,

[b]Discos:[/b] Narzissus, Titanium, Bed Supper Club, Q-Bar

[b]Soapies:[/b] La Belle, Amsterdam, Long Beach, Plaza, Tarawadee, Utopia, Victoria's Secret

[b]Hostess Bars:[/b] Renoir, Monet and (most importantly) Livingstone's :)!

I hope you can make it in one night :) !


Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto]Dabeast,

I would not recommend to go to Napoleon on Soi 33 -try Renoir.

And then there are some other places for "higher end" mongering:

[b]Gentlemen Clubs:[/b] Pegasus, The Ritz, Forte, Caribbean, Exotica, The Pent,

[b]Discos:[/b] Narzissus, Titanium, Bed Supper Club, Q-Bar

[b]Soapies:[/b] La Belle, Amsterdam, Long Beach, Plaza, Tarawadee, Utopia, Victoria's Secret

[b]Hostess Bars:[/b] Renoir, Monet and (most importantly) Livingstone's :)!

I hope you can make it in one night :) !

Giotto[/QUOTE]Giotto,

Wow thanks for the great reply. Don't know how I will fit all this in in one night though! Guess I will have to come back to sample the others. I guess with my time restraints the soapies are looking like the first choice. But will definately pop in to Livingstone on my next trip.

Dabeast.

Did a run through NEP. Found 2 hotties (fair skin, under 20, no kids) both wouldn't budge from 2k ST. I walked and took a zero for the night. I just can't bring myself to lay out this kind of money on a Nana girl. For a soapie girl I'll pay this. I've found that most NEP girls have become spoiled. Anyhow, it is what it is!

Low-end

Thai Karaoke bars-Get off at BTS Sapan Kawai ("cry) and ask a taxi to take you to Intamara Soi 2. This is where the low end Karaoke places are. ST 1500 LT 2000 No bar fines. Warning: A lot of the girls are scare of "farang" and may not go with you as this place is frequented by the Thais. Although my white friend, who has a small build, has managed to pull a hot 18 yr old from there. It took some convincing from the papason. No problems for Japanese or Koreans. But it is a cool place to hang out and have a cheap cold one and drink Thai whiskey for cheap.

I partied the night away with a few buddies and 4 bottles of whiskey and food for 2500 b, the same cost be 9000B at Nana.

Phetchaburi. Just west of the Phetchaburi MRT (metro) station is a quiet road that runs parallel to the new BTS tracks. Around 7-8pm, it is line with some good looking free lancers. I've seen Russians there, too. All taxi will know where it is. If you want you can go eat at the buffet on Phetchaburi RD just off of Rachada and exit towards the back entrance and turn right. It is a rather dark road, but super safe as there are beer vendors that watch the area. St. 1500 Lt. 3500 No bar fines. I've seen 1000 for LT later at night after 1am. Some stunners. 10 times better than the freelancers standing outside of Nana or Nada disco for the same price.

This is my first of many posts. I welcome your comment and suggestions as I am a student of the trade and new places and resources pop up all the time. In future thread I will posts about.

Soi Cowboy
Nana Plaza
Pat Pong
Massages (soapies) ( ex.utopia)
Massages ( non soapies, but FS) ( ex.teen )
Thai middle-end FS Karaokes
Escort agencies (ex.bkk141)
High-end Discos ( ex.Q-bar)
High-end Karaokes ( ex.pregraus)
University Girls (sponorship)
Office/ non-working girls
Pattaya

A little about me. I am in my 30's , made a lot of money trading stocks. ( and got out) Traveled and played in many countries before deciding to "settle down" here in Bangkok. Over the years, I've read this forum and learned from it's members now I want to give back. Please excuse my grammar and spelling errors.

[QUOTE=Giotto]Dabeast,

I would not recommend to go to Napoleon on Soi 33 -try Renoir.

And then there are some other places for "higher end" mongering:

[b]Gentlemen Clubs:[/b] Pegasus, The Ritz, Forte, Caribbean, Exotica, The Pent,

[b]Discos:[/b] Narzissus, Titanium, Bed Supper Club, Q-Bar

[b]Soapies:[/b] La Belle, Amsterdam, Long Beach, Plaza, Tarawadee, Utopia, Victoria's Secret

[b]Hostess Bars:[/b] Renoir, Monet and (most importantly) Livingstone's :)!

I hope you can make it in one night :) !


Giotto[/QUOTE]

I've been a long time fan of Titanium and it seems it doesn't get a lot of coverage here. It is expensive though, especially if you start doing shots in the "cooler" upstairs. The high bar fine price comes down as your bill goes up though. I think 2000 to 600 as the bill is applied.

The girls are really hot and I've had great luck there. I have a few long time friends with benefits I've met there.

The girl band (Unicorn) is fantastic too although the little dyke lead singer wasn't there last month (I was told she quit the band) and the new singer isn't nearly as good.

Titanium is different than the others listed as the girls work there and are bar fines and are not FLs as at Bed or Q-bar. isn't that correct?

I really like this place as a change of pace and I'm sure I'll be in there one night next week.

I'm also in Renoir a lot because it's my buddy's favorite Soi 33 place and he's been in most of them. Again, higher end/higher cost fun.

We stopped into Livingstone's for the first time last month and had a beer. I think I might try it again although I didn't end up talking to any girls last time as we had our sights set on two hotties back in Renoir.

Pablo

[QUOTE=Andybkk]...
This is my first of many posts. I welcome your comment and suggestions as I am a student of the trade and new places and resources pop up all the time. In future thread I will posts about.
...
[/QUOTE]Andybkk,

Welcome to the forum, and thanks for your first report.

Petchaburi Road Area: That should be the area where the Siam Hotel scene has moved - usually a late night action area.

We are looking forward to reading your reports.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Pablo]...
The girl band (Unicorn) is fantastic too although the little dyke lead singer wasn't there last month (I was told she quit the band) and the new singer isn't nearly as good.
...
[/QUOTE]Pablo,

I wrote a report about Titanium a month ago or so ...

The old singer left the band to get married in Australia. The band is still exceptional, in my POV.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Dabeast]...

But will definately pop in to Livingstone on my next trip.
...
[/QUOTE]Dabeast,

in case that you don't know: It was a bit of a joke with Livingstone's, I am the owner. And - if you only have ONE NIGHT IN BANGKOK Livingstone's should not be your first choice.


Giotto
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL]

[QUOTE=Giotto]Pablo,

I wrote a report about Titanium a month ago or so ...

The old singer left the band to get married in Australia. The band is still exceptional, in my POV.

Giotto[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the update G. I would have sworn she was a dyke. I complimented her one night and she turned her back on me rudely. Maybe because she knew I was mongering on other occasions.

I missed your Titanium report but I'm not 100% reader or consistent poster. I'll try to look it up.

I do think the band is still very good, but the old singer was exceptional IMHO, especially with some of the female alternative songs I like.

I'll have 8 nights in Bangkok (actually 7 and one in Pattaya) so I'll stop into Livingstone's again next week.

Thanks,
Pablo

hey guys,

i've been to bangkok on about 25 occasions over the last 15 years, done all the normal stuff like cowboy, soi 7 beer garden, patpong, soapies, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], star of light, thermae, nana car park etc etc

however on my last trip (march) i managed for the first time to ever to "date" a good girl, she worked on reception in a 5 star hotel in sukhumvit, and after a little convincing she agreed to go out with me one nite for a meal (brought her friend along as a chaperon! ) had a great nite, and followed it up with 3 other nites going out eating and drinking, on the 3rd and 4th nites it was just her and i, (no chaperon)

i thought i was going ok so on the 3rd nite i put the hard word on her to sleep with me, no go she said because she worked at the hotel, no prob i said, so next morning i moved to the j. w. marriott, that nite (my last in bkok) she stayed in my bed, unfortunately not naked! and needless to say there was no rumpy pumpy.

i'm back in bkok in june, i've been emailing this little princess on a regular basis and even phoning her on occasions, things are looking up and i feel i just have to "hit her spot"

so heres my question, can someone recommend some places i could take her for a drink, music etc, away from the p4p scene.

i've taken her to titanium, vertigo bar at the banyan tree, sirocco bar, any other recommendations including places to go during the day would be much appreciated.

in return i will give a detailed account of "hitting her spot'

thanks

[QUOTE=Pablo]Thanks for the update G. I would have sworn she was a dyke. I complimented her one night and she turned her back on me rudely. Maybe because she knew I was mongering on other occasions. [/QUOTE]

Giotto didn't say that she married a member of the opposite sex. ;)

[QUOTE=Giotto]Dabeast,

in case that you don't know: It was a bit of a joke with Livingstone's, I am the owner. And - if you only have ONE NIGHT IN BANGKOK Livingstone's should not be your first choice.


Giotto
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL][/QUOTE]

Pay no attention to Giotto. If you have only one night in Bangkok, Livingstone's is a GREAT choice. I am not the owner, and I'm not joking. I am very envious as I'm exiled from Thailand for a while!

Enjoy!

~TTG

[QUOTE=Fresh Meat 2]So heres my question, can someone recommend some places I could take her for a drink, music etc, away from the p4p scene.[/QUOTE]

Can try Face, Suk Soi 38, for cocktails, food, spa ..

[QUOTE=Fresh Meat 2]Hey guys,


So heres my question, can someone recommend some places I could take her for a drink, music etc, away from the p4p scene.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

I also like to get away from the p4p scene a lot. One thing I like to do is attend Siam Niramit, a musical and dramatic show, portraying the history and culture of Thailand. It has music, a hundred performers and beautiful sets. It lasts about 90 minutes and takes place near the Thai Cultural Center. They have a web page.

I also like to visit the Jim Thompson house near the National Stadium and also the Vimanmek Teak Palace in the Dusit area near Parliament. For a day trip, my favorite is a tour of Ayutaya, the old capital of Thailand. You take a bus there, walk around and see monuments and gardens, then take a boat back to Bangkok.

Canyon

[QUOTE=Fresh Meat 2]Hey guys...........................................

So heres my question, can someone recommend some places I could take her for a drink, music etc, away from the p4p scene.

I've taken her to Titanium, Vertigo bar at the Banyan tree, Sirocco bar, any other recommendations including places to go during the day would be much appreciated.

In return I will give a detailed account of "hitting her spot'

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Pull out the Romantic Card, take her on a decent Dinner Cruise down the River, mixing with all those other 'doing it' couples and some decent cocktails on the way will help. (PM Me for details if you need them)

If that doesnt work, buy her flowers and tell her that you ''Love Her So Much" etc etc.

As a last resort - offer her money :D

Cheers, FF

[quote=fresh meat 2]hey guys,

i've been to bangkok on about 25 occasions over the last 15 years, done all the normal stuff like cowboy, soi 7 beer garden, patpong, soapies, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], star of light, thermae, nana car park etc etc

however on my last trip (march) i managed for the first time to ever to "date" a good girl, she worked on reception in a 5 star hotel in sukhumvit, and after a little convincing she agreed to go out with me one nite for a meal (brought her friend along as a chaperon! ) had a great nite, and followed it up with 3 other nites going out eating and drinking, on the 3rd and 4th nites it was just her and i, (no chaperon)

i thought i was going ok so on the 3rd nite i put the hard word on her to sleep with me, no go she said because she worked at the hotel, no prob i said, so next morning i moved to the j. w. marriott, that nite (my last in bkok) she stayed in my bed, unfortunately not naked! and needless to say there was no rumpy pumpy.

i'm back in bkok in june, i've been emailing this little princess on a regular basis and even phoning her on occasions, things are looking up and i feel i just have to "hit her spot"

so heres my question, can someone recommend some places i could take her for a drink, music etc, away from the p4p scene.

i've taken her to titanium, vertigo bar at the banyan tree, sirocco bar, any other recommendations including places to go during the day would be much appreciated.

in return i will give a detailed account of "hitting her spot'

thanks[/quote]

ask her to take you to her favorite place to go, if you haven't already done this.
whatever you do, you need to get her away from touristy places like titanium etc. (and river cruises, yecchh!). i would opt for something 100% thai and very authentic for eating. take her during the day to bang poo (about 1 hour outside of bkk in samut prakan) for a seafood lunch on the shore where the chao praya meets the gulf. loads of thais go here and you can make an afternoon of it. take your own wine. there's no corkage fee. if you want culture along the way, it's not far from muang boran (the ancient city) - lots of recreations of thai historic buildings in a lovely park - very popular with thais.

where does she come from? if she's from isaan, take her to tawan daeng on pattanakarn rd. for authentic isaan mor lam and songs for life music. the place is chock-a-block full of locals, with only a smattering of in-the-know farang.

if she's thai, and a bit more upscale, take her the clubs around thonglor soi 10.

lastly, if you have a dvd player in your hotel room, buy a copy of the thai movie , "jan dara" - available with english subtitles. despite being thai, a lot of thais have not seen this. it is one of the sexiest thai movies ever made (although it has a serious social theme) and has never failed me. in the guise of showing interest in thai culture, (which makes you look good) the film also inevitably makes tgs horny, for some reason. at least in my experience, it is the thai equivalent of "barry white", in getting a regular tg into bed. it's worked for me, time and again.

you might have a good girl.

you might have a professional "gfe".

you will find out.

the next steps are normally she will give you a hj, or maybe a bbbj and hj. and she will tell you this is special just for you.

then will come the "i need a car really to get work easier" or the "we should rent an apartment together" or other ways she can get money out of you and reel you in.

you normally get these tests ahead of her letting you have your wicked way, she will test you and test you and see how easy you are to manipulate. that is if she is a "pro".

thai "good girls" fuck. thai "bad girls" fuck.

its generally only those playing the game that play "hard to get". cause their pussy is the key to your wallet.

[quote=fresh meat 2]hey guys,

i've been to bangkok on about 25 occasions over the last 15 years, done all the normal stuff like cowboy, soi 7 beer garden, patpong, soapies, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], star of light, thermae, nana car park etc etc

however on my last trip (march) i managed for the first time to ever to "date" a good girl, she worked on reception in a 5 star hotel in sukhumvit, and after a little convincing she agreed to go out with me one nite for a meal (brought her friend along as a chaperon! ) had a great nite, and followed it up with 3 other nites going out eating and drinking, on the 3rd and 4th nites it was just her and i, (no chaperon)

i thought i was going ok so on the 3rd nite i put the hard word on her to sleep with me, no go she said because she worked at the hotel, no prob i said, so next morning i moved to the j. w. marriott, that nite (my last in bkok) she stayed in my bed, unfortunately not naked! and needless to say there was no rumpy pumpy.

i'm back in bkok in june, i've been emailing this little princess on a regular basis and even phoning her on occasions, things are looking up and i feel i just have to "hit her spot"

so heres my question, can someone recommend some places i could take her for a drink, music etc, away from the p4p scene.

i've taken her to titanium, vertigo bar at the banyan tree, sirocco bar, any other recommendations including places to go during the day would be much appreciated.

in return i will give a detailed account of "hitting her spot'

thanks[/quote]

I met this Thai Chinese girl and yes...she's a 25yo virgin!

She is pretty horny though, a good kisser, good HJ (better than most oil massage HJs, which make me cum quickly without much pleasure) and devastating BJ (PSE/P4P BJs rarely do it for me) although no CIM yet, lets me do anything with her pussy except penetration, I can also play with her ass a little and she seems to like it.

Obviously she will keep her pussy for her future husband and I respect that (even though it's crazy!), but I could do with her perfect ass thank you!

Has anyone been involved with such a "traditional" thai girl? Are there many out there? I met one in China too...

Am I crazy to hope for anal sex after a few hot oral sessions and much pleading/convincing on my part on the "sex training benefits" for her?

I know "YMMV", but I'd be interested in hearing any thoughts and experiences...This is a weird situation for a western guy and I'm not sure how much time I should invest in such a girl. The whole virginity concept seems very alien and sexist indeed (of course guys are not expected to be virgins when they marry...)

Thanks

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Ask her to take you to her favorite place to go, if you haven't already done this.

Whatever you do, you need to get her away from touristy places like Titanium etc. (and river cruises, yecchh!). I would opt for something 100% Thai and very authentic for eating. Take her during the day to Bang Poo (about 1 hour outside of BKK in Samut Prakan) for a seafood lunch on the shore where the Chao Praya meets the gulf. Loads of Thais go here and you can make an afternoon of it. Take your own wine. There's no corkage fee. If you want culture along the way, it's not far from Muang Boran (the Ancient City) - lots of recreations of Thai historic buildings in a lovely park - very popular with Thais.

Where does she come from? If she's from Isaan, take her to Tawan Daeng on Pattanakarn Rd. for authentic Isaan Mor Lam and Songs for Life music. The place is chock-a-block full of locals, with only a smattering of in-the-know Farang.

If she's Thai, and a bit more upscale, take her the clubs around Thonglor soi 10.

Lastly, if you have a DVD player in your hotel room, buy a copy of the Thai movie , "Jan Dara" - available with English subtitles. Despite being Thai, a lot of Thais have not seen this. It is one of the sexiest Thai movies ever made (although it has a serious social theme) and has never failed me. In the guise of showing interest in Thai culture, (which makes you look good) the film also inevitably makes TGs horny, for some reason. At least in my experience, it is the Thai equivalent of "Barry White", in getting a regular TG into bed. It's worked for me, time and again.[/QUOTE]Firstly it was good of you to answer Fresh Meat 2's request without telling him off regarding "what we all know about Thai ladies". This could be the one in a million, on the other hand we don't know what Fresh Meat 2's intentions are!

Secondly I for one was really pleased to read about what Thais do for fun. It will certainly come in handy when I want to impress my new love!

Thank you!

[QUOTE=Fresh Meat 2]Hey guys,
... that nite (my last in bkok) she stayed in my bed, unfortunately not naked! And needless to say there was no rumpy pumpy.

So heres my question, can someone recommend some places I could take her for a drink, music etc, away from the p4p scene.[/QUOTE]

There are some pearls in response to this very nice post.
If she is Buddhist research some temples, test this by going to one in BKK - here temple. Read up a bit so you know the drill. If this looks promising then look at options outside of BKK.

Suggest a movie and take the friend with you and pay for her friend. Friend will say "he is a good man, why do you need me here". Builds trust.

A few years ago, I took a friend (accounts manager at major hotel) to Angkor Wat - 2 for 1 deal on BKKair ... We got to see a lot of the ruins before she suggested a picnic and we got into it. Salient point is she is very HiSo and so no vaginal sex. She knew the basics on HJ/BJ; I helped with some tuition. She lapped up the cum like it was manna from heaven, I still have the mental image of her licking it off her fingers lie chocolate. There were some moments, however, she looked like a stunned mullet the first time I dropped a load on her tits. Then rapidly recovered to suck me dry and lick her breasts clean.

When we got back to BKK, the ground rules were no public affection including hand holding and no vaginal sex. She was amply built for TF and also liked me given her an oil massage where she would then use the oil to lubricate my cock on her butt muscle while lying on her side so i could play with her breast and kiss her neck. I soon learned that she really like DATY (but no fingers inside, she was intact and used pads instead of tampons during time of month) to the point of recurrent mini orgasms like little sneezes. On a subsequent trip, she showed up at the serviced apartment I booked suggested by her near Thonglo. She said she something special to show me and pulled out a kit with a vibrator in it. I was a bit shocked. She then said she wanted food and we went out to eat and dance a bit then headed home.

Back in the apartment, she told he again that the pussy was off limits but she wanted to lick mango sauce off my cock and before "I give you my Bum"... Ok so while I am not into this particularly, a gentleman has to do. It turns out she had been talking to friends quite a lot about sex in my time away. The third hole is not a topic for HiSo discussion so might be OK. She was incredibly tight despite having used the mail-order vibrator in rehearsals so we did not get there that night but subsequently it became part of our routine.

We broke anything regular off when I was going to BKK less and she had serious boyfriends - current Thai Chinese guy will probably marry. If i was in town, she would call and drop around "for lunch". She still emails but I suspect I have seen the last of her.

Are they all just intrinsicly horny?
In any case, hope this helps ... I need a cold shower.

I know this is in humor. I would not offer your girl money for sex. You can take her to Robinson or Paragon etc (mine wanted MBK sometimes for certain things) and buy her clothes, underwear, shoes, perfume etc. DVD, songs also good. If you know she has a trip, offer her money to help. There is also more taxi money that she would need.
It pays to be subtle - in fact, i she asks directly for money for no specific reason (relatives sick, Buddhas birthday, New Year etc), maybe you dont quite have the deal you think you have.

[QUOTE=Fifty Fifty]Pull out the Romantic Card, take her on a decent Dinner Cruise down the River, mixing with all those other 'doing it' couples and some decent cocktails on the way will help. (PM Me for details if you need them)

If that doesnt work, buy her flowers and tell her that you ''Love Her So Much" etc etc.

As a last resort - offer her money :D

Cheers, FF[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Giotto]Dabeast,

in case that you don't know: It was a bit of a joke with Livingstone's, I am the owner. And - if you only have ONE NIGHT IN BANGKOK Livingstone's should not be your first choice.


Giotto
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL][/QUOTE]

Chapeau, Mr. G. !!!

[QUOTE=Bearsk]There are some pearls in response to this very nice post.[/quote]Bearsk

Your report is very instructive!

ET

Great report Bearsk.! Wonder if most HiSo's like Mango.

Had a simular experience with Accountant last summer. She loved oral but was saving the love box for future husband.

[QUOTE=Bearsk](...)
Are they all just intrinsicly horny?
In any case, hope this helps ... I need a cold shower.[/QUOTE]

Me as well ;)
These are the stories only life can write...

Fellow Mongers,

Am planning a visit to BKK in late July. Have been many times (+15) most recent visits have seen me staying at Livingstone's Lodge which I enjoyed (see field reports from both stays).

I have stayed in Sheraton Grande Shukumvit several times and whilst it is very girl friendly, in these tough times I am thinking about a 2 bedroom apartment for me and my faithfull wingman.

I have been getting emails from Wotif, Last Minute.com etc with some amazing deals.

TenFace apartments was an example. Two room luxury appt with all kinds of extras: brekky, free use of a tuk tuk shuttle, free wi fi etc. All for 6000bht per night.

This compares very well with two rooms or a suite in a luxury hotel, also with Livingstones which does not have a two person room (at least based on my call to the night desk guy whose english was poor).

My concern is more the girl friendliness of apartments. I have searched the threads but woud appreciate some current info from you guys about wether a two bed appt in a nice tower block is likley to be a problem getting girls in. We are confident enough to grit our teeth for the Walk of Shame, but a refusal to allow our playmates entry would be a nasty problem.

Based on my experinces in LOS in the past I suspect I am being over cautious but any feedback or suggested apartments would be much appreciated.

Max

Should this not be on the Bangkok Hotels thread?

Anyway, there are so many discounts around now its unbelievable. In general all apartmants are "guest friendly".

For sure Centre Point apartments are very girl friendly. They also have free internet in all rooms.

They are running their "hot price" deal at the moment, click on the website and click on "Hot Price".

There you will see say a 2 bed apartment in Centre Point Langsuan (near Spicey and Central Chid Lom etc.) for just 145 US$+ per room.

Or you can have a 1 bedroom in Centre Point Sukhumvit Soi 10 for 85 US$+

Centre Points have a pool, gymnasium, sauna etc. Free tuk tuk to the main roads, free internet etc.


Just seach around, some amazing deals out there.




[QUOTE=Maxwell 100]Fellow Mongers,

Am planning a visit to BKK in late July. Have been many times (+15) most recent visits have seen me staying at Livingstone's Lodge which I enjoyed (see field reports from both stays).

I have stayed in Sheraton Grande Shukumvit several times and whilst it is very girl friendly, in these tough times I am thinking about a 2 bedroom apartment for me and my faithfull wingman.

I have been getting emails from Wotif, Last Minute.com etc with some amazing deals.

TenFace apartments was an example. Two room luxury appt with all kinds of extras: brekky, free use of a tuk tuk shuttle, free wi fi etc. All for 6000bht per night.

This compares very well with two rooms or a suite in a luxury hotel, also with Livingstones which does not have a two person room (at least based on my call to the night desk guy whose english was poor).

My concern is more the girl friendliness of apartments. I have searched the threads but woud appreciate some current info from you guys about wether a two bed appt in a nice tower block is likley to be a problem getting girls in. We are confident enough to grit our teeth for the Walk of Shame, but a refusal to allow our playmates entry would be a nasty problem.

Based on my experinces in LOS in the past I suspect I am being over cautious but any feedback or suggested apartments would be much appreciated.

Max[/QUOTE]

Their web site is

[url]http://www.centrepoint.com/[/url]

In case you did not know.

[QUOTE=Maxwell 100]Fellow Mongers,

Am planning a visit to BKK in late July. Have been many times (+15) most recent visits have seen me staying at Livingstone's Lodge which I enjoyed (see field reports from both stays).

I have stayed in Sheraton Grande Shukumvit several times and whilst it is very girl friendly, in these tough times I am thinking about a 2 bedroom apartment for me and my faithfull wingman.

I have been getting emails from Wotif, Last Minute.com etc with some amazing deals.

TenFace apartments was an example. Two room luxury appt with all kinds of extras: brekky, free use of a tuk tuk shuttle, free wi fi etc. All for 6000bht per night.

This compares very well with two rooms or a suite in a luxury hotel, also with Livingstones which does not have a two person room (at least based on my call to the night desk guy whose english was poor).

My concern is more the girl friendliness of apartments. I have searched the threads but woud appreciate some current info from you guys about wether a two bed appt in a nice tower block is likley to be a problem getting girls in. We are confident enough to grit our teeth for the Walk of Shame, but a refusal to allow our playmates entry would be a nasty problem.

Based on my experinces in LOS in the past I suspect I am being over cautious but any feedback or suggested apartments would be much appreciated.

Max[/QUOTE]

Personally, I think 6,000 is a bit steep, especially for off-season and with the occupancy rates down so much.

I'd try Centre Point, Langsuan (Chidlom, 2 stops past Nana going towards Siam), which has deals this time of year of around 3500 for a 2 bedroom apartment. There are several Centre Points around town. When I lived outside of town, I used to stay there all the time when I came to BKK.

[url]http://www.bangkok.com/centrelangsuan/rooms.htm[/url]

You could also try Cape House, also on Langsuan which is a bit more expensive, but has slightly better rooms and a great buffet breakfast and Italian restaurant.

[url]http://www.capehouse.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Crazykf]I met this Thai Chinese girl and yes...she's a 25yo virgin!

She is pretty horny though, a good kisser, good HJ (better than most oil massage HJs, which make me cum quickly without much pleasure) and devastating BJ (PSE/P4P BJs rarely do it for me) although no CIM yet, lets me do anything with her pussy except penetration, I can also play with her ass a little and she seems to like it.


This is a weird situation for a western guy and I'm not sure how much time I should invest in such a girl. [/QUOTE]

Just how important is her virginity to you? That importance should determine just how much time and effort you should invest. However, she is very loose and liberal for a virgin. You should prepare yourself for the fact that she very well may turn out not to be a virgin.

[QUOTE=Crazykf]I met this Thai Chinese girl and yes...she's a 25yo virgin!

She is pretty horny though, a good kisser, good HJ (better than most oil massage HJs, which make me cum quickly without much pleasure) and devastating BJ (PSE/P4P BJs rarely do it for me) although no CIM yet, lets me do anything with her pussy except penetration, I can also play with her ass a little and she seems to like it.

Obviously she will keep her pussy for her future husband and I respect that (even though it's crazy!), but I could do with her perfect ass thank you!

Has anyone been involved with such a "traditional" thai girl? Are there many out there? I met one in China too...

Am I crazy to hope for anal sex after a few hot oral sessions and much pleading/convincing on my part on the "sex training benefits" for her?

I know "YMMV", but I'd be interested in hearing any thoughts and experiences...This is a weird situation for a western guy and I'm not sure how much time I should invest in such a girl. The whole virginity concept seems very alien and sexist indeed (of course guys are not expected to be virgins when they marry...)

Thanks[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=Bearsk]There are some pearls in response to this very nice post.
If she is Buddhist research some temples, test this by going to one in BKK - here temple. Read up a bit so you know the drill. If this looks promising then look at options outside of BKK.

Suggest a movie and take the friend with you and pay for her friend. Friend will say "he is a good man, why do you need me here". Builds trust.

A few years ago, I took a friend (accounts manager at major hotel) to Angkor Wat - 2 for 1 deal on BKKair ... We got to see a lot of the ruins before she suggested a picnic and we got into it. Salient point is she is very HiSo and so no vaginal sex. She knew the basics on HJ/BJ; I helped with some tuition. She lapped up the cum like it was manna from heaven, I still have the mental image of her licking it off her fingers lie chocolate. There were some moments, however, she looked like a stunned mullet the first time I dropped a load on her tits. Then rapidly recovered to suck me dry and lick her breasts clean.

When we got back to BKK, the ground rules were no public affection including hand holding and no vaginal sex. She was amply built for TF and also liked me given her an oil massage where she would then use the oil to lubricate my cock on her butt muscle while lying on her side so i could play with her breast and kiss her neck. I soon learned that she really like DATY (but no fingers inside, she was intact and used pads instead of tampons during time of month) to the point of recurrent mini orgasms like little sneezes. On a subsequent trip, she showed up at the serviced apartment I booked suggested by her near Thonglo. She said she something special to show me and pulled out a kit with a vibrator in it. I was a bit shocked. She then said she wanted food and we went out to eat and dance a bit then headed home.

Back in the apartment, she told he again that the pussy was off limits but she wanted to lick mango sauce off my cock and before "I give you my Bum"... Ok so while I am not into this particularly, a gentleman has to do. It turns out she had been talking to friends quite a lot about sex in my time away. The third hole is not a topic for HiSo discussion so might be OK. She was incredibly tight despite having used the mail-order vibrator in rehearsals so we did not get there that night but subsequently it became part of our routine.

We broke anything regular off when I was going to BKK less and she had serious boyfriends - current Thai Chinese guy will probably marry. If i was in town, she would call and drop around "for lunch". She still emails but I suspect I have seen the last of her.

Are they all just intrinsicly horny?
In any case, hope this helps ... I need a cold shower.[/QUOTE]


Nice reports. Whatever floats your boat, I guess.

In the past, I've reported loads of experiences on here with MidSo and HiSo girls and am around these type of girls the majority of the time.

Personally, though, I'd never invest as much as you guys, and not get the main prize, so to speak, in fairly short order.

I've met a few real Thai virgins, even into their 30s, to which I usually ultimately give a miss - simply not worth the time. These girls are living in a time warp, as the vast majority of TGs from all strata of society are doing it prior to marriage. They just don't broadcast it, and will deny it, if asked.

TGs are actresses and very creative liars. It doesn't matter whether they are a BG dancing at Nana or a member of one of the elite families.

[QUOTE=Maxwell 100]Fellow Mongers,

Am planning a visit to BKK in late July. Have been many times (+15) most recent visits have seen me staying at Livingstone's Lodge which I enjoyed (see field reports from both stays).

I have stayed in Sheraton Grande Shukumvit several times and whilst it is very girl friendly, in these tough times I am thinking about a 2 bedroom apartment for me and my faithfull wingman.

I have been getting emails from Wotif, Last Minute.com etc with some amazing deals.

TenFace apartments was an example. Two room luxury appt with all kinds of extras: brekky, free use of a tuk tuk shuttle, free wi fi etc. All for 6000bht per night.

This compares very well with two rooms or a suite in a luxury hotel, also with Livingstones which does not have a two person room (at least based on my call to the night desk guy whose english was poor).

My concern is more the girl friendliness of apartments. I have searched the threads but woud appreciate some current info from you guys about wether a two bed appt in a nice tower block is likley to be a problem getting girls in. We are confident enough to grit our teeth for the Walk of Shame, but a refusal to allow our playmates entry would be a nasty problem.

Based on my experinces in LOS in the past I suspect I am being over cautious but any feedback or suggested apartments would be much appreciated.

Max[/QUOTE]
Just take Serviced apartments with lounge, kitchette, free wifi, free breakfast, etc. and get two of them next to each other.

e.g. 2 apartments at Hopeland Soi 24, 2300 Baht x 2 = 4600. Your wingman can be in your lounge or go to next door to sleep.
I didn't check if Hopeland was GF.

I travel to BKK with a wingman and rent two bedroom units. When shopping for a 2 bedroom unit, make sure each room has a large bed. Many 2 bedrooms were designed for families and one bedroom often comes with two twin beds in one of the rooms. Two rooms with a large bed in each room is a must for me. Another thing to look for is 2 bathrooms. Some 2 bedroom units have only 1 bathroom. I would prefer to pay a little more for my own bathroom.

We always stay in a 2 bedroom unit at Grand Pres. Their rooms are pricey, about B6000, but the location is outstanding and it is very GF. Their rooms have large beds in each room, two bathrooms, a washer dryer, and three TVs total in the unit. If you can afford it, I would do Grand Pres.

Centrepoint has a good reputation but I've never stayed there. Old Thai hand, is CP Langsuan an easy walk to the Skytrain?

[QUOTE=Allover]...We always stay in a 2 bedroom unit at Grand Pres. Their rooms are pricey, about B6000, but the location is outstanding and it is very GF. Their rooms have large beds in each room, two bathrooms, a washer dryer, and three TVs total in the unit. If you can afford it, I would do Grand Pres...[/QUOTE]
Hahaha ... So for B6000/day you get a washer/dryer. I suppose that is because by the time you finish paying for the room, there is not much left over to have your laundry done.

(just joking. I'm sure it's a nice place) :)

B6000 is a very high price but we only stay in BKK for a few nights before moving to Pattaya. We would probably spend B2500-B3000 each for a room so sharing a 2 BR makes some sense.

It's great sharing a 2 bedroom apartment with a wingman. Much better than two separate rooms. GP isn't loved by everybody but location, location, location.

I have heard and read some reports that Gulliver's on Soi 5 Sukhumvit is now over run by African's and pretty much run the Thai Girls out. Can anyone give me an update??

I have heard that some Nigerian scammers have moved in and Gulliver's management seems powerless to change it. Heading over to BKK in a weeks time and only a few days there so I don't want to waste my time if the TG have moved on....or by the sounds of it pushed!

Anyway it might all be bunckum hence asking for so fresh update on the state of play there.

Appreciate any feedback.

Cheers,

F

Hello,

It seems that finally the Thai girls are getting their asses kicked like some of us did get in the recent years. Anyway these Nigerian speak better English and no matter what nationality you allways have to take care with hookers. Maybe the Thai would give you a more GF experience but some of these Nigerians do look really sexy. Maybe on my next trip I would try one. Greetings, Frits

PS: Maybe I will be forced to search for pussy elsewhere. Just did dream a few days ago that the King will pass away during my next trip. Or is that a nightmare?

[QUOTE=Fleetz]I have heard and read some reports that Gulliver's on Soi 5 Sukhumvit is now over run by African's and pretty much run the Thai Girls out. Can anyone give me an update??

I have heard that some Nigerian scammers have moved in and Gulliver's management seems powerless to change it. Heading over to BKK in a weeks time and only a few days there so I don't want to waste my time if the TG have moved on....or by the sounds of it pushed!

Anyway it might all be bunckum hence asking for so fresh update on the state of play there. [/QUOTE]Pal and I popped into Gullivers briefly for a drink last week. Didn't see any evidence of Nigerian mafia. Not many girls there mid-afternoon, but the few there were all TGs, and staff was all Thai. Customers were all westerners playing pool and drinking pints. Business as usual. Maybe some truth in the Nigerian rumor, as last year Thai police (supervised by FBI) had a major clean-up of Nigerian drug operations in nearby Soi 3, so maybe some Nigerians moved across one Soi to Soi 5. There were still many Nigerian guys hanging around Soi 3.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I'd try Centre Point, Langsuan (Chidlom, 2 stops past Nana going towards Siam), which has deals this time of year of around 3500 for a 2 bedroom apartment. [/QUOTE]

I second that option and if I may suggest, if you have time, the Starbucks on soi Langsuan has some of the prettiest ladies in the afternoon :D

[QUOTE=Fleetz]I have heard and read some reports that Gulliver's on Soi 5 Sukhumvit is now over run by African's and pretty much run the Thai Girls out. Can anyone give me an update??

F[/QUOTE]

A month or so ago, the Mgt began a policy of charging Black Africans a "Membership Fee" of 200 baht to get in which seems to have diminished their numbers considerably. The only problem with this other than being racist of course is that Blacks from anywhere else get stopped going in and harrassed as well - I think if they can show they are from elsewhere they are not charged - but clearly this must feel very insulting. Had a Black friend from the UK who was stopped from going in though he has more money than God and he never bothered going back. Its a difficult problem for Gullivers. The TG's are still there btw - as far as I know they never left.

[QUOTE=Allover]B6000 is a very high price but we only stay in BKK for a few nights before moving to Pattaya. We would probably spend B2500-B3000 each for a room so sharing a 2 BR makes some sense.

[/QUOTE]

You can try contacting the Omni Tower on Soi 4. I have a 2 bedroom there but pay a monthly rate so not sure what the daily would be. Nice location, nice pool, decent gym, no problem bringing back ladies of your choosing (my limit so far has been 3 at a time). I'd be quite surprised if it is anywhere close to 6000 baht. One of the bedrooms though is much nicer than the other so you may have to flip a spinner to see who gets it.

[url]http://www.omnibangkok.com/z1040/plans/accommodations.html[/url]

[QUOTE=DRRonin]You can try contacting the Omni Tower on Soi 4. I have a 2 bedroom there but pay a monthly rate so not sure what the daily would be. Nice location, nice pool, decent gym, no problem bringing back ladies of your choosing (my limit so far has been 3 at a time). I'd be quite surprised if it is anywhere close to 6000 baht. One of the bedrooms though is much nicer than the other so you may have to flip a spinner to see who gets it.

[url]http://www.omnibangkok.com/z1040/plans/accommodations.html[/url][/QUOTE]

I stayed there in December and paid just under 4000B for a two bed room as a last minute deal. Both me and my wing man brought girls back without any problems. I arrived at 7 in the morning and they gave me an early check in without additional charge. Was very satisfied with the place.

Stayed on Sukhumvit the other night - wow, I forgot how bad it was. Admittedly I didn't get there until around 3:30 AM, but there wasn't anything tempting on the streets. Just very old and unattractive ones, with a few younger ones around acting uninterested. As has been mentioned before lots of non-Thai working girls and other male aliens who seemed to be hovering about for some reason.

I didn't take anything, but I did chat with a few girls. All asked for 1,000 baht short time. Certainly none were worth it, in my opinion, considering that the next day I would depart for Pattaya.

Hey folks,

(This is my first report)

I'm arriving in BKK on 17th June.

Booked into 'Merisses Sukhumvit 16' for one night before heading down to Phuket. It's only THB1700 for their premier suite. Looks really good on web (Google it folks). I e-mailed manager to confirm NO 'joiner fee' and also that I can have two guests back. This was all confirmed.

I'm guessing Soi 16 can't be too far from the action.

Anyone stayed here?

[QUOTE=Pompoy]Hey folks,

(This is my first report)

I'm arriving in BKK on 17th June.

Booked into 'Merisses Sukhumvit 16' for one night before heading down to Phuket. It's only THB1700 for their premier suite. Looks really good on web (Google it folks). I e-mailed manager to confirm NO 'joiner fee' and also that I can have two guests back. This was all confirmed.

I'm guessing Soi 16 can't be too far from the action.

Anyone stayed here?[/QUOTE]Please report back on your experience there (I saw very mixed reviews). It is funny that they call their cheapest room Premier Suite. (1600 baht incl. tax on venere.com).

[QUOTE=Crazykf]
Has anyone been involved with such a "traditional" thai girl? [/QUOTE]
Yes.

You can get her to open her legs up without getting married. It does require a lot of work and time, though.

[QUOTE=Pompoy].....
Booked into 'Merisses Sukhumvit 16' ....
[b]I'm guessing Soi 16 can't be too far from the action.[/b]
...[/QUOTE]
The very rough map on their website places the 'Merisses' just north of the bend in Soi 16, which runs south, perpendicular to Sukhumvit
Google Maps shows this bend at least 1 km away from Sukhumvit/Asok.
This is where you might [i]begin[/i] to look for action, unless you want to continue north accross Sukhumvit and spend all your time at Soi Cowboy.
I dont' know, how far 'too far' is for you, but it would be too far for me.

On the other hand, the the place seems to have everything a monger needs, including in-room internet, at a very attractive price, and walking 4 km a day will save you visiting the gym....

[QUOTE=Pompoy]Hey folks,

(This is my first report)

I'm arriving in BKK on 17th June.

Booked into 'Merisses Sukhumvit 16' for one night before heading down to Phuket. It's only THB1700 for their premier suite. Looks really good on web (Google it folks). I e-mailed manager to confirm NO 'joiner fee' and also that I can have two guests back. This was all confirmed.

I'm guessing Soi 16 can't be too far from the action.

Anyone stayed here?[/QUOTE]

When in BKK, I usually stay on Soi 15, so you are close to the action spots. Taxis are just plain cheap. It'll be about 35 baht from you hotel to Soi Cowboy and maybe 38 baht to Nana. Make sure the driver turns on the meter - if not get out. You can walk to either, if you like, and it's not that far away. This is what I do 'cause I check out what the venders are selling - I always buy t shirts. Late at night, all the girls are out in the night sidewalk restaurants.

If you are looking to chase pussy in Phuket, it's there, but not in quantity or as easily obtained as in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=DRRonin]A month or so ago, the Mgt began a policy of charging Black Africans a "Membership Fee" of 200 baht to get in which seems to have diminished their numbers considerably. The only problem with this other than being racist of course is that Blacks from anywhere else get stopped going in and harrassed as well - I think if they can show they are from elsewhere they are not charged - but clearly this must feel very insulting. Had a Black friend from the UK who was stopped from going in though he has more money than God and he never bothered going back. Its a difficult problem for Gullivers. The TG's are still there btw - as far as I know they never left.[/QUOTE]Guess I won't going there for lunch later this week.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Yes.

You can get her to open her legs up without getting married. It does require a lot of work and time, though.[/QUOTE]Thanks, this and the other report (the great one about the trad girl offering her tight bum) does give me a lot of hope. She is hard work indeed (still keeps her top on...) but it's fun to have a challenge in Thailand for a change!

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me]When in BKK, I usually stay on Soi 15, so you are close to the action spots. Taxis are just plain cheap. It'll be about 35 baht from you hotel to Soi Cowboy and maybe 38 baht to Nana. Make sure the driver turns on the meter - if not get out. You can walk to either, if you like, and it's not that far away. This is what I do 'cause I check out what the venders are selling - I always buy t shirts. Late at night, all the girls are out in the night sidewalk restaurants.

If you are looking to chase pussy in Phuket, it's there, but not in quantity or as easily obtained as in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Think I can help you out here. You are within EASY walking distance to most action along Sukhumvit is you are staying on Soi 16. Fifteen Minutes to Soi 7 and the Beergarden and 20-25 minutes to Nana and less to Soi Cowboy and lots to see along the way, day or night.

Arkyboy

[QUOTE=Boy Toy]Try Eden.

They cater to almost everthing.[/QUOTE]Just got email about no volunteers for this service, anyone no of a place?

Thanks

Reflections of a recent sojourn through Bangkok with the caveat that I was constrained by having to work late and had limited free time.

I do my best to rttf but admittedly just do not have the time to read as thoroughly as I’d like. As always, I appreciate the wisdom and thoughts of others who have contributed previously.

Here’s my recent experience.

Night one. I arrived late in BKK, so could not go to preferred places as recommended in the forum, so I went to Spasso.

FYI those looking for a bargain right now, go to BKK as the hotel I usually stay, high end, was at 20 % occupancy. Deals are to be had.

Arrived Spasso, flying solo, around 12:30 AM. I am an intuitive person and have learned to rely upon my first instinct. First impressions of Spasso is that it was lame. Somehow forced and the cliental were non-thai, 40/60 Western/Middle Eastern, just not my scene. But as it was late I dealt with it as a limited option. Scanned the crowd and did a walk about. No one jumped out. Sat at the bar. Decent looking gal made eye contact and then a guy from the Middle East tried to hit on her. She rebuffed and he got a little pissed.I played coy and she walked away from the guy.

She then invited me over to sit and she was more attractive in person. It was not feeling right (frankly felt more fulfillment in pursuing kicking the ME guy’s ass) and other ladies were eyeing me in the club. And frankly I thought others in the club were more to my liking.I over-road my gut and went with this gal. She offered to drive me to my hotel.I thought to myself, okay you have gone against your gut, but she’s turning out to be cool. Has a car, local, etc.

We got to my room and she changed into a robe. No shower, which was a bad sign to me.I thought, wtf, why are you not showering. Either you are not clean or you are not going to perform, or you are hiding something. Doubts starting arising. She came out of the bathroom with the robe on and she had washed off some of her make-up. A couple of scars on her face. Hmmm. Don’t like the heavy make-up type, turn off #2, she had fake tits. Big non starter for me, particularly in asia. Then she gave a half assed massage and started negotiating. Like for 300 US. I said no fucking way. She got pouty. Second sense kicked in and I wondered if I had a legit gal here, so I picked her up and lay her down and checked out her goods. Looked legit, but I was getting sick of the price offers, and frankly the poor service and I decided she should go home. With some fussing, I gave her a more than fair amount and told her to leave. Lesson learned again. Listen to the first instinct and first impression. Never force it. Period.

Day two. After reading the forum, had in mind to stop by Biergarten and Eden, but was hesitant to go to Eden as I was getting there late in the afternoon. The doormen asked where I was going and I stupidly told them. Lesson number 2, don’t tell the fucking doormen where you are going in BKK. He strongly recommended a different place. He assured me it was "#1". Given this hotel is supposedly one of the best places to stay.I thought surely the doorman wouldn’t steer me wrong. So I agreed. Now remember.I have limited time and I have limited experience in BKK. So I go to "J One". It is farther than I am told by cab. The cab driver says the hotel doorman told him to wait for me.I thought "uh oh, they are in cohoots". But wtf, this is an experience, I have limited time, just roll with it.

So I am dropped off at a place far away from Nana or the farang hang-outs. This is clearly a place that Thais and other non-farangs frequent. So I go in an they offer an exorbitant price.(instinct kicks in again, but I override it again, and pay the fee. Not so much by my standards, but by BKK norms it is triple the price.I honestly did not realize it was so high at the time. That’s the reason they ask and get away with these types of prices.-tired, hungover, jet lagged.-will upon occasion pay 3’x the norm. I payed it and was led to a viewing area where about 12 ladies sat. And told to pick my gal. Picked the one that suited my taste. Seemed genuine, nice smile, good rack and body. Decent eye contact.

Proceeded to have a nice, 90 minute soapy and bath. Extremely clean, friendly. If you negotiate better than I did, might be worth a romp or a visit. When I left there was a better selection of genuine hotties and I am picky.

Since we got along well, I spoke with my lady friend about visiting me later at my hotel and she agreed doing it off the record. We exchanged sms #’s and I gave her the time and place. Needless to say, she did not show at the allotted time and we did not connect that evening.

Night 2

So, I had to work late. Until 11 PM ish and did not want to go back to Spasso. So I went with what I had previously known, albeit expensive.Pegasus. But it took be a bit to get there. Let me explain.

At this point, for you first timers in BKK, you need to be very clear and decisive to taxi drivers upon entering a cab. You let them know who is in control and exactly where you want to go. You tell them not to fuck with you and to take you exactly where you asked to go. If they take you someplace else that you are going to be pissed and that you will not pay them. So take you to where you requested.

Better yet. Just don’t take a taxi. When possible, use the Sky Train. It’s not hard, it avoids the nefarious traffic, and taxi drivers.

So my doorman says no, don’t go to Pegasus. Not many girls available there now, got to Amsterdam (have never been there but I have a sneaking impression that the forum spoke I'll of this place).I say, you call there ahead and tell them I am coming and make sure there is a good selection. So my driver takes me out of the way and tries to drop me at a different club.I get pissed and tell him I am cutting his pay and to get me to Amsterdam asap. We get there 30 minutes later after sitting in horrible BKK traffic.

I arrive at Amsterdam. I get out of cab. I go in. A total dive. I walk in and walk out at 12:30 AM. This place is a frigging hell-hole. No one reading this should ever go there. There are so many other decent options in BKK. Do not go to this place.

I tell a taxi to take me to Pegasus.

Now a word about Pegasus because I have seen others here asking about high-end places. I went to Pegasus in 2007 and had an okay time. One gal was a winner and one was simply okay. My bottom line on this place after 3 total visits in 3 years. This is a place better suited for asian millionaires than for Westerners.

The mamasan and papas and papasan told me up front there were slim pickings. It was late so I said wtf. And went with it. They brought two gals over. Didn’t feel right. Papa says let me see if I can find others. He comes back with 3.I instantly take to one and choose her. Remember you cannot get in and out of this place long term without forking over 10, 000b. Now I know one should never, ever, pay that in BKK unless one is insane or just giving away money. But I learned the hard way. We have an okay time, she is pretty, Isaan girl, simple, really nothing remarkable either personality or looks wise. She’s got a great bod, model like face. That is what one is paying for at Pegasus. They have screened the gals for you. She’s up front and in the cab she says she has to leave at 8 am. Wont’ budge. I am disappointed but suck it up.

We have fun but it is like 2 am when we get to my place. She’s good for one shot. She cuddles a bit, but is distant in sleep and in the am she sleeps past her 8 am departure and then at 9 simply announces she is going. Nothing else. I take this as my 3rd loss for my time in BKK and begin believing that BKK is overrated.I realize though that a lot of mistakes I am making are due to my decision making and limited time frame for operating.

Day 3

I wake up with finally a day to myself, and no work. Unfortunately I leave late this day, so cannot bring anyone back to my place.I am set upon doing what I wanted from the get-go. Get my ass to Eden.

Eden looks to me the most like FKK’s in Germany re. Quality control, good management, professional.

Finally taking the advice of the forum, I arrive at Eden early.12:30 in the afternoon. Damn. I am relieved to actually have some time away from work and some free-time. The place is smaller than I thought. And in a raunchier part of town. But I am learning to not discount the raunchier sides of towns abroad as some in these parts are much more overt in their expressions and expectations than in the less seedier parts of towns. The lady behind the bar has only been there for a few days and seems overwhelmed with what she is doing. Says only a few ladies have arrived and that I should wait. One other guy is sitting at the bar and he and I get to watch the ladies arrive. Most put their hands together and say a prayer at the shrine near the doorway.I have a deeper appreciation for what these ladies are offering and walking through by watching virtually all of them say a prayer to start their workday as they cross the threshold of the brothel. Most greet each other kindly, some hug, some offer perfunctory greetings to each other.I wonder to myself, how would I greet one of my colleagues if was in their situation?

I chalk up all of my disastrous BKK experiences to lessons learned and settle into the barstool knowing that I have most likely found a place that is simpatico. I am correct.

I sit at the bar for 10 minutes then one of the Frenchmen managers, Mickey, goes over procedure with the guy who was before me. Then a 6’ 8" middle aged Eurodude walks in. Clearly knowing what he is doing. And then Mickey talks with me.I don’t really have any questions, and then the line—up happens. The Euro Dude dude makes his decision with a previous acquaintance.Mickey says to go for it as there is no protocol as the Euro dude was the last to get there, but he chose first.I look at the ladies and try to decide based upon eye contact and attraction. Not caring what side of the line they sit. A lady with the red-dress, great curves. Nice eyes. Open.I say what the hell. For the first time here in BKK, trust your gut. So I chose her. And I quickly wondered who she would choose. She did not hesitate and she picked one of the cuter gals.I thought. Whoah.I am with two complete hotties. And was smiling from ear to ear.

Ideally, I would have chosen an all-nighter, but due to time constraints, I was limited, so I asked for 3 hours which was the most I could do with my schedule. The three hour option was perfect.

Bottom line: as you can see, I did a lot of different BKK options. If you are only there for a short time, get your ass to Eden. Its reliable. It’s great. It’s awesome. It delivers on quality, professionalism, and the ladies there are used to farang.

I think this is the most important part of my mongering experience. Finding ladies who at a basic level are willing to be with me and are okay with it. Laugh, pull at your chin, talk about my nose, whatever. Someone who is willing to engage and appreciate me and vice-versa someone who can hear and recieve compliments, admiration, and appreciation.

Well, I was so tired from my work and activities, I did not perform like a p-star. Far from it. But I laughed, and enjoyed myself with these two wonderful ladies that I think we had a good time together. What I am leaving out to you all is that these two ladies did everything possible and imaginable to me. Really.

In a perplexing and strange way. It is amongst the most vulnerable I have been with women. One is beyond naked (in the sense of "bare") in situations like this with two women seeing your eyes, lips, back-zits [yes, they took pains to clear a long standing, unknown back blemish. I mention this to say, listen.I and they are equal. Yes I had the money to pay them or Eden for the services. But I get shit clogged in my skin like every other human on this planet and we are to an extent reduced to our limitations. And I found it a reminder (aside from the payment aspect that some here will reiterate is the bottom line) that it was an honor to spend time with them and for their taking care of me.}

Both ladies showed me pictures of their children. We had a nice intimate time with one of the ladies snoring on my shoulder (she awoke about ½ hour later embarrassed) and the other stroking my head and eyes while talking life and lovers.I found this to be authentically genuine. Albeit a snapshot of the life we & all (and they in particular live). It was a nice solstice to the rigueur of the normal day, and I feel we made a connection.I told the principal I wished we could spend more time together and that it had been my intention to have them both for the night to my hotel to just be able to hang out.

It took me a while to get comfortable being with 2 girls. They both were very okay doing just about anything together. Sucking, licking, you name it. At times they seemed to ask for turns sucking me. But as they took me in the mouth for extended periods.I somehow felt drawn to apprentice #2. She had already shown me pics of her child and about the fact that her thai boyfriend/father had kicked the shit out of her and on her pregnant belly to the point that it seems like her baby had a mental deficiency. Wtf? Reality set it that these ladies come from hard street stories and have survived despite the affection they show towards us.I came for the second time in apprentice #2 while the principal took a shower and watched and heard from the shower. Again, a new situation for me doing this in front of another woman. So, lessons learned?

I went out shopping on my own at a nice mall, Siam Paragaon and strongly believe that freebies are available if the effort will be made and if you are a good looking farang (suggestion, walk through the make-up section.I caught the eye of a legit 9/10 babe who if I had time would have been awesome) and if you are able to go to your high-end mall in Europe, you.S wherever and flirt with girls half your age, you can connect with the Thai ladies too, though it’s perhaps easier in Thailand. However, if like me you do not have the time for the freebie/natural run-in’s.RUN to Eden.DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME elsewhere. The dregs of Eden will make you much happier and are mutually more conducive to a good time than almost any other situation in Bangkok. From a health perspective to the professionalism of the Eden staff. To the expectations of where the gals are coming from. Start here. Work your way to the less established places or to the more "non-pfp" types in the malls if you are on the ground for longer. Next time I am in BKK? No Brainer. Book in advance with Eden. Worst case, get two of them sight unseen to your room or hotel. Really. This is the best starting point and is best for non BKK natives. Work your way from here.

Hope you learn from your experiences.I did. I am, and I made some nice new friends.

BKK is not as easy as it seems. It takes more work to get quality. But search and you will find.

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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I second that option and if I may suggest, if you have time, the Starbucks on soi Langsuan has some of the prettiest ladies in the afternoon :D[/QUOTE]

Yes, that's another bonus, as is the Food Hall at Central Chidlom which besides having great food is often also inhabited by some very hot women, including models and actresses.

BKK is not as easy at it seems? You're joking, right? Well, not if you do everything wrong like you did. Oh well, next time!

Hell, just got a Soi Cowboy club or a Nana club or pick up a girl at the carpark outside Nana or take a stroll on Sukhumvit or go to the Beer Garden.

You can't miss at any of those places unless you are really trying to miss!

[QUOTE=Ubique]Reflections of a recent sojourn through Bangkok with the caveat that I was constrained by having to work late and had limited free time.

I do my best to rttf but admittedly just do not have the time to read as thoroughly as I’d like. As always, I appreciate the wisdom and thoughts of others who have contributed previously.

Here’s my recent experience.

Night one. I arrived late in BKK, so could not go to preferred places as recommended in the forum, so I went to Spasso.

FYI those looking for a bargain right now, go to BKK as the hotel I usually stay, high end, was at 20 % occupancy. Deals are to be had.

Arrived Spasso, flying solo, around 12:30 AM. I am an intuitive person and have learned to rely upon my first instinct. First impressions of Spasso is that it was lame. Somehow forced and the cliental were non-thai, 40/60 Western/Middle Eastern, just not my scene. But as it was late I dealt with it as a limited option. Scanned the crowd and did a walk about. No one jumped out. Sat at the bar. Decent looking gal made eye contact and then a guy from the Middle East tried to hit on her. She rebuffed and he got a little pissed.I played coy and she walked away from the guy.

She then invited me over to sit and she was more attractive in person. It was not feeling right (frankly felt more fulfillment in pursuing kicking the ME guy’s ass) and other ladies were eyeing me in the club. And frankly I thought others in the club were more to my liking.I over-road my gut and went with this gal. She offered to drive me to my hotel.I thought to myself, okay you have gone against your gut, but she’s turning out to be cool. Has a car, local, etc.

We got to my room and she changed into a robe. No shower, which was a bad sign to me.I thought, wtf, why are you not showering. Either you are not clean or you are not going to perform, or you are hiding something. Doubts starting arising. She came out of the bathroom with the robe on and she had washed off some of her make-up. A couple of scars on her face. Hmmm. Don’t like the heavy make-up type, turn off #2, she had fake tits. Big non starter for me, particularly in asia. Then she gave a half assed massage and started negotiating. Like for 300 US. I said no fucking way. She got pouty. Second sense kicked in and I wondered if I had a legit gal here, so I picked her up and lay her down and checked out her goods. Looked legit, but I was getting sick of the price offers, and frankly the poor service and I decided she should go home. With some fussing, I gave her a more than fair amount and told her to leave. Lesson learned again. Listen to the first instinct and first impression. Never force it. Period.

Day two. After reading the forum, had in mind to stop by Biergarten and Eden, but was hesitant to go to Eden as I was getting there late in the afternoon. The doormen asked where I was going and I stupidly told them. Lesson number 2, don’t tell the fucking doormen where you are going in BKK. He strongly recommended a different place. He assured me it was "#1". Given this hotel is supposedly one of the best places to stay.I thought surely the doorman wouldn’t steer me wrong. So I agreed. Now remember.I have limited time and I have limited experience in BKK. So I go to "J One". It is farther than I am told by cab. The cab driver says the hotel doorman told him to wait for me.I thought "uh oh, they are in cohoots". But wtf, this is an experience, I have limited time, just roll with it.

So I am dropped off at a place far away from Nana or the farang hang-outs. This is clearly a place that Thais and other non-farangs frequent. So I go in an they offer an exorbitant price.(instinct kicks in again, but I override it again, and pay the fee. Not so much by my standards, but by BKK norms it is triple the price.I honestly did not realize it was so high at the time. That’s the reason they ask and get away with these types of prices.-tired, hungover, jet lagged.-will upon occasion pay 3’x the norm. I payed it and was led to a viewing area where about 12 ladies sat. And told to pick my gal. Picked the one that suited my taste. Seemed genuine, nice smile, good rack and body. Decent eye contact.

Proceeded to have a nice, 90 minute soapy and bath. Extremely clean, friendly. If you negotiate better than I did, might be worth a romp or a visit. When I left there was a better selection of genuine hotties and I am picky.

Since we got along well, I spoke with my lady friend about visiting me later at my hotel and she agreed doing it off the record. We exchanged sms #’s and I gave her the time and place. Needless to say, she did not show at the allotted time and we did not connect that evening.

Night 2

So, I had to work late. Until 11 PM ish and did not want to go back to Spasso. So I went with what I had previously known, albeit expensive.Pegasus. But it took be a bit to get there. Let me explain.

At this point, for you first timers in BKK, you need to be very clear and decisive to taxi drivers upon entering a cab. You let them know who is in control and exactly where you want to go. You tell them not to fuck with you and to take you exactly where you asked to go. If they take you someplace else that you are going to be pissed and that you will not pay them. So take you to where you requested.

Better yet. Just don’t take a taxi. When possible, use the Sky Train. It’s not hard, it avoids the nefarious traffic, and taxi drivers.

So my doorman says no, don’t go to Pegasus. Not many girls available there now, got to Amsterdam (have never been there but I have a sneaking impression that the forum spoke I'll of this place).I say, you call there ahead and tell them I am coming and make sure there is a good selection. So my driver takes me out of the way and tries to drop me at a different club.I get pissed and tell him I am cutting his pay and to get me to Amsterdam asap. We get there 30 minutes later after sitting in horrible BKK traffic.

I arrive at Amsterdam. I get out of cab. I go in. A total dive. I walk in and walk out at 12:30 AM. This place is a frigging hell-hole. No one reading this should ever go there. There are so many other decent options in BKK. Do not go to this place.

I tell a taxi to take me to Pegasus.

Now a word about Pegasus because I have seen others here asking about high-end places. I went to Pegasus in 2007 and had an okay time. One gal was a winner and one was simply okay. My bottom line on this place after 3 total visits in 3 years. This is a place better suited for asian millionaires than for Westerners.

The mamasan and papas and papasan told me up front there were slim pickings. It was late so I said wtf. And went with it. They brought two gals over. Didn’t feel right. Papa says let me see if I can find others. He comes back with 3.I instantly take to one and choose her. Remember you cannot get in and out of this place long term without forking over 10, 000b. Now I know one should never, ever, pay that in BKK unless one is insane or just giving away money. But I learned the hard way. We have an okay time, she is pretty, Isaan girl, simple, really nothing remarkable either personality or looks wise. She’s got a great bod, model like face. That is what one is paying for at Pegasus. They have screened the gals for you. She’s up front and in the cab she says she has to leave at 8 am. Wont’ budge. I am disappointed but suck it up.

We have fun but it is like 2 am when we get to my place. She’s good for one shot. She cuddles a bit, but is distant in sleep and in the am she sleeps past her 8 am departure and then at 9 simply announces she is going. Nothing else. I take this as my 3rd loss for my time in BKK and begin believing that BKK is overrated.I realize though that a lot of mistakes I am making are due to my decision making and limited time frame for operating.

Day 3

I wake up with finally a day to myself, and no work. Unfortunately I leave late this day, so cannot bring anyone back to my place.I am set upon doing what I wanted from the get-go. Get my ass to Eden.

Eden looks to me the most like FKK’s in Germany re. Quality control, good management, professional.

Finally taking the advice of the forum, I arrive at Eden early.12:30 in the afternoon. Damn. I am relieved to actually have some time away from work and some free-time. The place is smaller than I thought. And in a raunchier part of town. But I am learning to not discount the raunchier sides of towns abroad as some in these parts are much more overt in their expressions and expectations than in the less seedier parts of towns. The lady behind the bar has only been there for a few days and seems overwhelmed with what she is doing. Says only a few ladies have arrived and that I should wait. One other guy is sitting at the bar and he and I get to watch the ladies arrive. Most put their hands together and say a prayer at the shrine near the doorway.I have a deeper appreciation for what these ladies are offering and walking through by watching virtually all of them say a prayer to start their workday as they cross the threshold of the brothel. Most greet each other kindly, some hug, some offer perfunctory greetings to each other.I wonder to myself, how would I greet one of my colleagues if was in their situation?

I chalk up all of my disastrous BKK experiences to lessons learned and settle into the barstool knowing that I have most likely found a place that is simpatico. I am correct.

I sit at the bar for 10 minutes then one of the Frenchmen managers, Mickey, goes over procedure with the guy who was before me. Then a 6’ 8" middle aged Eurodude walks in. Clearly knowing what he is doing. And then Mickey talks with me.I don’t really have any questions, and then the line—up happens. The Euro Dude dude makes his decision with a previous acquaintance.Mickey says to go for it as there is no protocol as the Euro dude was the last to get there, but he chose first.I look at the ladies and try to decide based upon eye contact and attraction. Not caring what side of the line they sit. A lady with the red-dress, great curves. Nice eyes. Open.I say what the hell. For the first time here in BKK, trust your gut. So I chose her. And I quickly wondered who she would choose. She did not hesitate and she picked one of the cuter gals.I thought. Whoah.I am with two complete hotties. And was smiling from ear to ear.

Ideally, I would have chosen an all-nighter, but due to time constraints, I was limited, so I asked for 3 hours which was the most I could do with my schedule. The three hour option was perfect.

Bottom line: as you can see, I did a lot of different BKK options. If you are only there for a short time, get your ass to Eden. Its reliable. It’s great. It’s awesome. It delivers on quality, professionalism, and the ladies there are used to farang.

I think this is the most important part of my mongering experience. Finding ladies who at a basic level are willing to be with me and are okay with it. Laugh, pull at your chin, talk about my nose, whatever. Someone who is willing to engage and appreciate me and vice-versa someone who can hear and recieve compliments, admiration, and appreciation.

Well, I was so tired from my work and activities, I did not perform like a p-star. Far from it. But I laughed, and enjoyed myself with these two wonderful ladies that I think we had a good time together. What I am leaving out to you all is that these two ladies did everything possible and imaginable to me. Really.

In a perplexing and strange way. It is amongst the most vulnerable I have been with women. One is beyond naked (in the sense of "bare") in situations like this with two women seeing your eyes, lips, back-zits [yes, they took pains to clear a long standing, unknown back blemish. I mention this to say, listen.I and they are equal. Yes I had the money to pay them or Eden for the services. But I get shit clogged in my skin like every other human on this planet and we are to an extent reduced to our limitations. And I found it a reminder (aside from the payment aspect that some here will reiterate is the bottom line) that it was an honor to spend time with them and for their taking care of me.}

Both ladies showed me pictures of their children. We had a nice intimate time with one of the ladies snoring on my shoulder (she awoke about ½ hour later embarrassed) and the other stroking my head and eyes while talking life and lovers.I found this to be authentically genuine. Albeit a snapshot of the life we & all (and they in particular live). It was a nice solstice to the rigueur of the normal day, and I feel we made a connection.I told the principal I wished we could spend more time together and that it had been my intention to have them both for the night to my hotel to just be able to hang out.

It took me a while to get comfortable being with 2 girls. They both were very okay doing just about anything together. Sucking, licking, you name it. At times they seemed to ask for turns sucking me. But as they took me in the mouth for extended periods.I somehow felt drawn to apprentice #2. She had already shown me pics of her child and about the fact that her thai boyfriend/father had kicked the shit out of her and on her pregnant belly to the point that it seems like her baby had a mental deficiency. Wtf? Reality set it that these ladies come from hard street stories and have survived despite the affection they show towards us.I came for the second time in apprentice #2 while the principal took a shower and watched and heard from the shower. Again, a new situation for me doing this in front of another woman. So, lessons learned?

I went out shopping on my own at a nice mall, Siam Paragaon and strongly believe that freebies are available if the effort will be made and if you are a good looking farang (suggestion, walk through the make-up section.I caught the eye of a legit 9/10 babe who if I had time would have been awesome) and if you are able to go to your high-end mall in Europe, you.S wherever and flirt with girls half your age, you can connect with the Thai ladies too, though it’s perhaps easier in Thailand. However, if like me you do not have the time for the freebie/natural run-in’s.RUN to Eden.DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME elsewhere. The dregs of Eden will make you much happier and are mutually more conducive to a good time than almost any other situation in Bangkok. From a health perspective to the professionalism of the Eden staff. To the expectations of where the gals are coming from. Start here. Work your way to the less established places or to the more "non-pfp" types in the malls if you are on the ground for longer. Next time I am in BKK? No Brainer. Book in advance with Eden. Worst case, get two of them sight unseen to your room or hotel. Really. This is the best starting point and is best for non BKK natives. Work your way from here.

Hope you learn from your experiences.I did. I am, and I made some nice new friends.

BKK is not as easy as it seems. It takes more work to get quality. But search and you will find.

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[QUOTE=Amjeck]Yes.

You can get her to open her legs up without getting married. It does require a lot of work and time, though.[/QUOTE]As long as you have money and can support them. You can almost get away with anything here. The Thai girls love to have non-Thai bf, cars, and going to fancy places. they will brag to their friends and this gives them a high, so fraunt it, even if you don't have it.

Age or looks is no concern, IF you look like you have money. Make extra efforts to dress nice, tips a little more, and maybe get a rental car with or without a driver if you are here. If you have a driver, then they can say to their friends that they scored a big shot. .Make sure to tell the car for hire company to not let the driver talk to the girls. And be sure to tip well upon the inital meeting with the driver.

Once they think they got a winner, you can use that to your advantage. A threesome is not out of the question. Anal is a definite. And deep throat is a daily routine.

[QUOTE=Redfield10]BKK is not as easy at it seems???? You're joking, right?? Well, not if you do everything wrong like you did. Oh well, next time!

Hell, just got a Soi Cowboy club or a Nana club or pick up a girl at the carpark outside Nana or take a stroll on Sukhumvit or go to the Beer Garden.

You can't miss at any of those places unless you are really trying to miss![/QUOTE]

Well, Ubique mentioned being picky. I understood he took Eden Club girls back to hotel. Why to do that when Eden rooms are modern and extremely tidy? Big bed and three huge mirrors placed on ceiling and walls strategically. Porn DVD running on big screen. Drinks afterwards on downstairs bar helping recovering from experience.

[QUOTE=Andybkk]
Age or looks is no concern, [/QUOTE]
If your playing cream of the crop market, then these factors may come into play. BKK girls place value on good looks. Having lot's of cash is never a bad thing, too.

[QUOTE=Andybkk]As long as you have money and can support them. You can almost get away with anything here. The Thai girls love to have non-Thai bf, cars, and going to fancy places. they will brag to their friends and this gives them a high, so fraunt it, even if you don't have it.

Age or looks is no concern, IF you look like you have money. Make extra efforts to dress nice, tips a little more, and maybe get a rental car with or without a driver if you are here. If you have a driver, then they can say to their friends that they scored a big shot. .Make sure to tell the car for hire company to not let the driver talk to the girls. And be sure to tip well upon the inital meeting with the driver.

Once they think they got a winner, you can use that to your advantage. A threesome is not out of the question. Anal is a definite. And deep throat is a daily routine.[/QUOTE]I think you need to take a real step back and have a look inside the real Thailand and stop looking through "sex goggles"!

Thai women are no different than women around the world. They want stability within their life and a potential partner, money is not the key issue nor looking like you have it is either. Real Thai women are attracted by looks and personality as are many other nationalities. I have had some beautiful girlfriends here who's income far exceeds mine.My wife earns twice as much as me! When a Thai woman falls in love with you they will stick with you through thick and thin. Just as many other women from around the world would.

Finding women and deceiving them into thinking you are a hot shot is the biggest load of bollocks you can pull. All this to Get "deep throat and anal". Just find a woman who likes you. She will learn?

[QUOTE=Andybkk]Age or looks is no concern, IF you look like you have money.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, but Age or looks is a concern to all girls, the thing is that they just love money more than the person they are with. LEt's not fool ourselves into thinking these girls get wet thinking about getting humped by a man that could be their grandpa.

I agree looks or age don't really matter because Money is what most love.

[QUOTE=Andybkk]As long as you have money and can support them. You can almost get away with anything here. The Thai girls love to have non-Thai bf, cars, and going to fancy places. they will brag to their friends and this gives them a high, so fraunt it, even if you don't have it.

Age or looks is no concern, IF you look like you have money. Make extra efforts to dress nice, tips a little more, and maybe get a rental car with or without a driver if you are here. If you have a driver, then they can say to their friends that they scored a big shot. .Make sure to tell the car for hire company to not let the driver talk to the girls. And be sure to tip well upon the inital meeting with the driver.

Once they think they got a winner, you can use that to your advantage. A threesome is not out of the question. Anal is a definite. And deep throat is a daily routine.[/QUOTE]

This is a simplistic, over-generalization. Based on this post, I suggest that if you've actually had experience with non-P4P at all, it has most likely been with TGs who are still quite low down on the ladder and therefore still need money and are willing to compromise their aethetic/sexual tastes in order to get it and perhaps the bragging rights that go with it.

But, as I've often said, there's no advantage at all in Thai society for a middle class or upper class TG to be involved with a Farang, unless he provides some significant social advantage. So, if she does it, it has little if anything to do with money, and mostly to do with other forms of attraction including "normal" attraction.

BTW, Nic, Thai women, without ulterior motives (i.e. the need for money) do like older men, but with some provisos. The men still have to be decent looking (tattoos, suntans, Singha beer singlets and balls swinging in baggy shorts need not apply) - thus illiminating 90% of the blokes in Pattaya and Phuket. They have to have some position of importance, preferably locally, that may provide the girl with some added status to impress her friends and family (European aristocracy, celebrity, doctor, lawyer, high-end, international businessman, university professor...yes, meaning me :D). They have to be well-educated. They have to come from a reasonably good family (working-class yobs not wanted). They have to have a reasonable understanding of the culture and language.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]

BTW, Nic, Thai women, without ulterior motives (i.e. the need for money) do like older men, but with some provisos. [/QUOTE]
What kind of age gap are you talking about here? Most girls in general prefer guys who are older then themselves.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]BTW, Nic, Thai women, without ulterior motives (i.e. the need for money) do like older men, but with some provisos. The men still have to be decent looking (tattoos, suntans, Singha beer singlets and balls swinging in baggy shorts need not apply) - thus illiminating 90% of the blokes in Pattaya and Phuket. They have to have some position of importance, preferably locally, that may provide the girl with some added status to impress her friends and family (European aristocracy, celebrity, doctor, lawyer, high-end, international businessman, university professor...yes, meaning me :D). They have to be well-educated. They have to come from a reasonably good family (working-class yobs not wanted). They have to have a reasonable understanding of the culture and language.[/QUOTE]

Hahaha I know, I was just trying to be a shit-disturber :D

[QUOTE]BTW, Nic, Thai women, without ulterior motives (i.e. the need for money) do like older men, but with some provisos. The men still have to be decent looking (tattoos, suntans, Singha beer singlets and balls swinging in baggy shorts need not apply) - thus illiminating 90% of the blokes in Pattaya and Phuket. They have to have some position of importance, preferably locally, that may provide the girl with some added status to impress her friends and family (European aristocracy, celebrity, doctor, lawyer, high-end, international businessman, university professor...yes, meaning me :D). They have to be well-educated. They have to come from a reasonably good family (working-class yobs not wanted). They have to have a reasonable understanding of the culture and language.[/QUOTE]Fuck me! I must be really "handsome man". I am covered in tattoos, I wear singlets and have no important standing in Thailand.

I still have loads of offers from every class (if you want to define status)of women here. I must be the luckiest chap here. Not . Just mix with Thai people, talk to them and don't act like a expat jerk. Be yourself. Works fucking miracles!

This is my first time in BKK so I finally decided to check out what this Soi Cowboy is all about. I didn't realize Dream Hotel was so close and finally figured out why there were so many WGs on Suk. Anyway, I go by myself and walk from one end to the other and it's a bit overwhelming at first. I wish I had a wingman b/c it just felt strange walking down cowboy by myself. I get to the end and turn around to make my way back when I finally see a familiar name: Shark.

I remembered the name from the forums, but not much else. There were about 25 girls dancing on the stage at about 11:30pm. Decent number of guys but probably still a 5 to 1 ratio. A hostest sits with me and I buy her a lady drink. My primary reason is to just get as much info as I can. I know I can get it for free from here, but I chose to get it from a cute girl. Never really figured out what's the difference between the hostest and the dancer though except the hostest doesn't dance. Not sure what's the business sense of setting it up this way.

Finally see a great dancer and called her down from the stage by signaling the waitress. Buy lady drink, bar fine, 2k LT. Back to Dream for quickie, changed clothes, and spent next 3 hrs at Spice Club dancing and drinking. Ate at a street vendor and back to hotel for 2nd round. Totally drained by 6am, I sleep until 12 missing my apartment hunting appointment in the morning.

Interesting night, but I think I could do better. Go-go bar girl was not much of a looker. I think in all these years of mongering, she might rank near the bottom in terms of looks, but regardless I had a ton of fun last night. Forgot how much I enjoyed going out to clubs.

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[QUOTE=Amjeck]What kind of age gap are you talking about here? Most girls in general prefer guys who are older then themselves.[/QUOTE]

significantly older. at least 20+ years.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]significantly older. at least 20+ years.[/QUOTE]
So in your opinion 18-19 year olds are looking for 40-50 year olds? (this topic should be discussed in another section)

[QUOTE=Amjeck]So in your opinion 18-19 year olds are looking for 40-50 year olds? (this topic should be discussed in another section)[/QUOTE]No opinion involved: They ARE for the most part looking for a 40-60+ yr old [b]sponsor[/b].

Also, OTH has nailed the thing about understanding of the culture and language. Old guys have, in perpetuity, been the female target throughout Asia, China especially. Young Thai guys are a monstrously bad investment. Young farangs, in general, simply don't have the money (10 mill+ Baht in the bank) nor the mind set.

Darwinistic elitism at its best.

[QUOTE=Ubique]Reflections of a recent sojourn through Bangkok with the caveat that I was constrained by having to work late and had limited free time.

I do my best to rttf but admittedly just do not have the time to read as thoroughly as I’d like. As always, I appreciate the wisdom and thoughts of others who have contributed previously.

Here’s my recent experience.

Night one. I arrived late in BKK, so could not go to preferred places as recommended in the forum, so I went to Spasso.

FYI those looking for a bargain right now, go to BKK as the hotel I usually stay, high end, was at 20 % occupancy. Deals are to be had.

Arrived Spasso, flying solo, around 12:30 AM. I am an intuitive person and have learned to rely upon my first instinct. First impressions of Spasso is that it was lame. Somehow forced and the cliental were non-thai, 40/60 Western/Middle Eastern, just not my scene. But as it was late I dealt with it as a limited option. Scanned the crowd and did a walk about. No one jumped out. Sat at the bar. Decent looking gal made eye contact and then a guy from the Middle East tried to hit on her. She rebuffed and he got a little pissed.I played coy and she walked away from the guy.

She then invited me over to sit and she was more attractive in person. It was not feeling right (frankly felt more fulfillment in pursuing kicking the ME guy’s ass) and other ladies were eyeing me in the club. And frankly I thought others in the club were more to my liking.I over-road my gut and went with this gal. She offered to drive me to my hotel.I thought to myself, okay you have gone against your gut, but she’s turning out to be cool. Has a car, local, etc.

We got to my room and she changed into a robe. No shower, which was a bad sign to me.I thought, wtf, why are you not showering. Either you are not clean or you are not going to perform, or you are hiding something. Doubts starting arising. She came out of the bathroom with the robe on and she had washed off some of her make-up. A couple of scars on her face. Hmmm. Don’t like the heavy make-up type, turn off #2, she had fake tits. Big non starter for me, particularly in asia. Then she gave a half assed massage and started negotiating. Like for 300 US. I said no fucking way. She got pouty. Second sense kicked in and I wondered if I had a legit gal here, so I picked her up and lay her down and checked out her goods. Looked legit, but I was getting sick of the price offers, and frankly the poor service and I decided she should go home. With some fussing, I gave her a more than fair amount and told her to leave. Lesson learned again. Listen to the first instinct and first impression. Never force it. Period.)




Ubique, I don't mean to sound critical and while I know everybody has got their own individual way they go about picking up a FL, I also know it doesn't sound so romantic for some punters, but I NEVER leave any bar with a WG until I have firmly established a price, services offered and designated leaving time.

IMHO if you do this, you can go a long way to taking out the uncertainty or any grey areas that may arise in a P4P situation.

Ubique, I don't mean to sound critical and while I know everybody has got their own individual way they go about picking up a FL, I also know it doesn't sound so romantic for some punters, but I NEVER leave any bar with a WG until I have firmly established a price, services offered and designated leaving time.

IMHO if you do this, you can go a long way to taking out the uncertainty or any grey areas that may arise in a P4P situation.[/QUOTE]Thanks to all for the responses to my earlier post. I realized when posting the report I made a lot of mistakes and was a doophus in a few of the things I did, that was one of the main reasons I posted it. So someone else would not make the same mistakes and could learn from my experience.

Yes, Osakagin, you are correct. I am learning to be more up front in negotiations etc. Lay out the expectations, pay, etc.

Will do a few things differently next time for sure.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]So in your opinion 18-19 year olds are looking for 40-50 year olds? (this topic should be discussed in another section)[/QUOTE]

It's been discussed endlesslessly. It doesn't need to be discussed again.

[QUOTE=Barko]No opinion involved: They ARE for the most part looking for a 40-60+ yr old [b]sponsor[/b].

Also, OTH has nailed the thing about understanding of the culture and language. Old guys have, in perpetuity, been the female target throughout Asia, China especially. Young Thai guys are a monstrously bad investment. Young farangs, in general, simply don't have the money (10 mill+ Baht in the bank) nor the mind set.

Darwinistic elitism at its best.[/QUOTE]
This makes more sense. I got it now!

[QUOTE=Barko]No opinion involved: They ARE for the most part looking for a 40-60+ yr old [b]sponsor[/b].[/QUOTE]

Well, the rich ones obviously aren't looking for a sponsor. They're looking for a "Daddy" (in the Thai sense of the word)...and I don't mean Sugar Daddy.

I have a former student (about 22 now) who has called me "Daddy" for 2 years, and never fails to make physical contact, when she sees me at school. She'll always come up and rub my belly and hug me and put her head on my chest. I'm "Op Oon", (loosely translated - cuddly) according to her, like "One of those big pillows [she] likes to sleep with". I'm sure I could sleep with her with a little effort. I've had opportunities, including one in Europe on a school trip, when one particular night, she knocked on my door around midnight to apparently ask me a question, while wearing very flimsy PJs and nothing else (I know. It sounds like the beginning of a Penthouse letter). But, while tempting, it would come with consequences, which I'm not prepared to deal with. This girl is so rich, it's unbelievable. So, she obviously doesn't need a sponsor (although, I wouldn't mind her throwing some of that dosh my way and sponsoring me). She likes me because I'm dependable, comfortable, comforting, loving and good at taking care (in an emotional sense) - like a Dad. Believe me, this is surprisingly attractive to a lot of very hot looking TGs.

They may get a young Adonis to date, to walk around town, to look cool and trendy and even to shag. But, many will also have a Daddy to keep 'em warm at night.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]...when one particular night, she knocked on my door around midnight to apparently ask me a question, while wearing very flimsy PJs and nothing else.[/QUOTE]Shut up, just shut up. You had me at the word "PJs".

Anything you say, OK?

Crap, now I can't get up from my desk this afternoon without somebody seeing this horrible case of panznake, thanks a ton OTH!

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Well, the rich ones obviously aren't looking for a sponsor. They're looking for a "Daddy" (in the Thai sense of the word)...and I don't mean Sugar Daddy.

I have a former student (about 22 now) who has called me "Daddy" for 2 years, and never fails to make physical contact, when she sees me at school. She'll always come up and rub my belly and hug me and put her head on my chest. I'm "Op Oon", (loosely translated - cuddly) according to her, like "One of those big pillows [she] likes to sleep with". I'm sure I could sleep with her with a little effort. I've had opportunities, including one in Europe on a school trip, when one particular night, she knocked on my door around midnight to apparently ask me a question, while wearing very flimsy PJs and nothing else (I know. It sounds like the beginning of a Penthouse letter). But, while tempting, it would come with consequences, which I'm not prepared to deal with. [/QUOTE]I'm sure I'm not the only one here wondering why she would offer herself to you and why you wouldn't tap that fresh shrimp. What was the question she needed answered at your door in her PJ's at 12 AM.

"Can we do boom boom?"

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]This girl is so rich, it's unbelievable. So, she obviously doesn't need a sponsor (although, I wouldn't mind her throwing some of that dosh my way and sponsoring me). She likes me because I'm dependable, comfortable, comforting, loving and good at taking care (in an emotional sense) - like a Dad. Believe me, this is surprisingly attractive to a lot of very hot looking TGs.

They may get a young Adonis to date, to walk around town, to look cool and trendy and even to shag. But, many will also have a Daddy to keep 'em warm at night.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]She'll always come up and rub my belly and hug me and put her head on my chest. I'm "Op Oon", (loosely translated - cuddly) according to her, like "One of those big pillows [she] likes to sleep with"....

....She likes me because I'm dependable, comfortable, comforting, loving and good at taking care (in an emotional sense) - like a Dad. Believe me, this is surprisingly attractive to a lot of very hot looking TGs.[/QUOTE]I believe this occurs in the Western world also. Although in the West the young lady doesn't want to sleep with the dino either sexually or as a substitute teddy bear. However hugs and resting in his embrace in a time of emotional crisis would be considered kosher.

[QUOTE=Old Asia Hand]Indeed, most of the sort of Thais you describe would be first in line to tell you that the Thai language is utterly useless and learning it is a complete waste of time.[/QUOTE]For me it is worse than useless and the less i know the better.

I am hoping to forget the few words i have learned.

[QUOTE=Old Asia Hand]You might be surprised how many internationally educated Thais see Thailand as a lost cause and figure that any foreigner who is here is either an idiot or must not be able to go home for some reason.[/QUOTE]So much for an international education, eh? Arguably i have saved many tens of thousands of dollars by choosing "entertainment" in LOS rather than in the West. And had the time of my life while at it.

Hi all,

I am going to be in BKK with my gf for a few days and I don't want to miss on the opportunity of a naughty Thai oil massage.

Would you recommend any Spa/Massage place that seems decent and can take my gf there for a massage, while I perform another kind of massage in the other room!! Obviously it must not look like a massage parlour, but more like a Spa.

Thanks for any info!

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]They may get a young Adonis to date, to walk around town, to look cool and trendy and even to shag. But, many will also have a Daddy to keep 'em warm at night.[/QUOTE]

So you're saying I have to wait another 20 years to go from Adonis to Daddy?
Damn it! just when I thought they Loved me! :D

I used to buy V (Kamagra) cheap at a pharmacy in Pnomh Penh but won't make it over there this year. Can somebody recommend a reliable pharmacy for non-fake, low priced Kamagra, or similar, in either BKK or Pattaya? Thanks!

[QUOTE=Barko]Shut up, just shut up. You had me at the word "PJs".

Anything you say, OK?

Crap, now I can't get up from my desk this afternoon without somebody seeing this horrible case of panznake, thanks a ton OTH![/QUOTE]

funny.

Here's the other part to help you along. As she stood there with the hall light passing through her "PJs" (sorry :D) making them all but transparent, she asked slowly, in a soft voice, "What time do you want to get up in the morning, Daddy?"

[QUOTE=Old Asia Hand]I agree with the first two qualifications, but I think the third one is a long way off from the reality of life in Thailand today. I've been here well over twenty years now and know a good many of the kinds of Thais you are describing. Not one of them could give a smaller toss if an otherwise interesting (qualified?) foreigner speaks a word of Thai or has any concern with what we might laughingly refer to as Thai 'culture.'

Indeed, most of the sort of Thais you describe would be first in line to tell you that the Thai language is utterly useless and learning it is a complete waste of time. Why do you think all of these folks went to school overseas and are sending their children there, too? You might be surprised how many internationally educated Thais see Thailand as a lost cause and figure that any foreigner who is here is either an idiot or must not be able to go home for some reason.

A foreigner might be thought well of by bar girls, taxi drivers, and department store clerks when he speaks Thai, but upper class Thais quietly laugh at him. Mostly, speaking Thai marks you as one of the eager-beaver, I'm-more-Thai-than-thou foreigners educated, upper-class Thais go out of their way to avoid.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree with the "eager-beaver" comment. I hate Farang, who go native.

And, your opinion is probably quite true in a lot of cases (although not all) with the upper classes. The middle class pretenders to HiSo-ness (the PAD lot) were more who I was talking about. Of my HiSo Thai friends and acquaintenances, I'd say almost none ever speak Thai with me, or around me. But, I'd also say that those where I work are almost all VERY HiSo, foreign educated and yet, are also xenophobic, ultra right-wing, nationalist Nazis.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]I'm sure I'm not the only one here wondering why she would offer herself to you and why you wouldn't tap that fresh shrimp. What was the question she needed answered at your door in her PJ's at 12 AM.

"Can we do boom boom?" [/QUOTE]

A/ She was my student, we were in a foreign country and I was responsible for her. Therefore it was neither professional or ethical for me to even consider it, as tempting as it was.

If I had "tapped her", I'd have been fired, if found out. Also, given the nature of Thai women and the fact that this girl is higher than HiSo, and comes from a very powerful family, I only saw the possibility of long-term disaster for a bit of short-term pleasure.


One doesn't need to tap everything in sight. I'm not 20. I actually enjoy the moments of quiet affection and the fantasy of "what if", with this girl. It's probably better than the reality of what the shag might be like.

[quote=old thai hand]a/ she was my student, we were in a foreign country and i was responsible for her. therefore it was neither professional or ethical for me to even consider it, as tempting as it was.

if i had "tapped her", i'd have been fired, if found out. also, given the nature of thai women and the fact that this girl is higher than hiso, and comes from a very powerful family, i only saw the possibility of long-term disaster for a bit of short-term pleasure.


one doesn't need to tap everything in sight. i'm not 20. i actually enjoy the moments of quiet affection and the fantasy of "what if", with this girl. it's probably better than the reality of what the shag might be like.[/quote]

i am sure you did a good thing. these young girls do not keep their mouth shut after the deed. they brag to one friend and pretty soon it is talk of the classroom. you being the teacher do not need to risk everything including respect for a bit of short time pleasure. i have worked with many young girls here in usa and believe me some of them regularly come on to me and sometimes even suggest dropping in to my apartment. one girl went so far as going around checking all the apartment mail boxes to see which apartment i was in. i happened to mention the name of the apartment complex i live in casually to her. after she told me this i told her i have a live in gf (which was a lie) and it would have been very embarrassing if she would have rang my bell. i would have gotten into lot of trouble because she was only 16 if i would have done anything to her.
having said all these i did have a 2 year relationship with a 16 year old girl ( not connected through my work). thank goodness she was quiet. but this was long time ago when sex with a minor was not considered a real crime as long as it was not [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].

[QUOTE=Frankfurter]I used to buy V (Kamagra) cheap at a pharmacy in Pnomh Penh but won't make it over there this year. Can somebody recommend a reliable pharmacy for non-fake, low priced Kamagra, or similar, in either BKK or Pattaya? Thanks![/QUOTE]There are many places. Here is my guy in BKK:

BTS to Soi 11 Sukhumvit. Go up 11 maybe 100 meters, just past the Village Market and before the bank on the right, you'll see a good sized pharmacy, the glass front sliding door facing toward the bank. Vitamin K is 300 Baht/4pack, product comes direct through a private India based source. XLNT quality, always in stock. Open Sundays.

Frankfurter,

If you are near Nana Soi 4, the Pharmacy right outside Nana Hotel towards Sukhumvit has it. Across the Soi on Sukhumvit near Majectic Suites is also a Pharmacy that has it. In Pattaya everywhere around Beach Rd. Second Rd. 3rd Rd, Naklua ( North Pattaya ).

LBM

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]So you're saying I have to wait another 20 years to go from Adonis to Daddy?
Damn it! just when I thought they Loved me! :D[/QUOTE]
Nic, you don't have to worry about it. They DO love you.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I totally agree with the "eager-beaver" comment. I hate Farang, who go native.[/QUOTE]Good grief, think about what you are saying and where you are saying it!

As far as I am concerned, I have a MUCH better time creating a fun sexy mood with any of my partners in Thailand simply by speaking Thai. Especially in the places where farangs whine about not getting good service, well I get it all the time, every time, and for the most part I think it really is because I speak Thai.

Man, I would have no chance at all with the bank chicks I like if I didn't speak Thai, nor could I score with the Rama IV exec office girl I like to call out once in a while. I could go on here but don't want to blow cover more than I already have on this board.

Sure what I just said falls under that category of sleeping with the lower class, but fuck that, am I a ludicrously retarded ass clown puppet boy blurting bullshit in English for HiSo Thais to accept me and think that THEY are cool? Fuck no, of course not. If those HiSos are talking behind my back, they are speaking Thai, natch. And, for the most part, they wish they would have gone to the schools I did in the US, but they couldn't even pass the entrance exam, even with all that canardly prep school crap they cheated through, and, it pisses them off bigtime. Tough shit. And damm straight, you had better believe that I rub it in too. Heh. :D

Next: All of my neighbors in Chiang Mai, years ago, spoke Thai with me, these were the monied up older Thai people that most farangs never even see. in fact, speaking Thai was a basic requirement, essential and mandatory. Now, here in Phuket, I speak Thai everywhere, of course [b]How do you live here if you don't speak Thai?[/b]

Thirdly, and just an aside, I go to Singapore a lot. One of my closest friends and clients there is 1/2 Thai and 1/2 Chinese, he pulls down something on the order of $3 million a year, that's $250K a month (for those arithmetically challenged) I would consider him HiSo, but he never ever puts on those fucking AIRS like the Thais do. We speak Thai with each other when we don't want the other Chinese guys to understand what we are saying, invaluable for us both, and creating an air of a pair of Internationalists at work, which we, in fact, are.

Now, here in Phuket, there are lots of Germans, Norwegians, and Brits, most of them don't speak a word of Thai. The Thai people here are totally confused by this, and consider those that don't even try to speak the language to be parasitic and incompetent. Old Thai guy here: "He has rented my house for 12 years and still can't even talk about anything at all in my language. Why is that?"

I therefore have to say, if you live here and you don't speak Thai, you are doing yourselves and your Thai neighbors a great disservice. Further, you probably aren't making as much money as you could be either. In other words, your concept of not "going native" is robbing you of 'random reality life experiences', and most probably making damn sure that you can't possibly make any serious money here without being the underling slave of some foreign corporation. You know, those bootlicker ugly dudes with bad haircuts wearing gadawfully tailored slacks and razor pressed white shirts that you see on the BTS every afternoon and Soi Cowboy every night? Groan.

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[QUOTE=Old Asia Hand]A foreigner might be thought well of by bar girls, taxi drivers, and department store clerks when he speaks Thai, but upper class Thais quietly laugh at him.[/QUOTE] That loud buzzer you just heard over your head somewhere on the big sound stage of life means you just gave the wrong answer dude.

NOW, let's talk about Paris, Rome, Shanghai and Tokyo, shall we?

If you are living in any foreign country, and you are not actively making an attempt to speak the language, you are a making lame slacker excuses for yourself. Period. In other words, for crap's sake man, how can you possibly live anywhere if you don't speak the lingo?

Or am I missing something?

[QUOTE=Andy Abs]I think you need to take a real step back and have a look inside the real Thailand and stop looking through "sex goggles"!

Thai women are no different than women around the world. They want stability within their life and a potential partner, money is not the key issue nor looking like you have it is either. Real Thai women are attracted by looks and personality as are many other nationalities. I have had some beautiful girlfriends here who's income far exceeds mine.My wife earns twice as much as me! When a Thai woman falls in love with you they will stick with you through thick and thin. Just as many other women from around the world would.

Finding women and deceiving them into thinking you are a hot shot is the biggest load of bollocks you can pull. All this to Get "deep throat and anal". Just find a woman who likes you. She will learn?[/QUOTE]I agree with you, but so far I have not been fortunate enough to meet one of these "Real Thai women".Outside of the bar girls and massage girls, I have met university students who have borrowed money from me after sleeping with me and have failed to return the money.

Even Miss Universe 1988 ( Thai) married a old American businessman. Did she happen to marry him for his "good looks"?

I would say that either you are a very good looking guy with an amazing personality or simply lucky to have found someone like your wife.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Frankfurter,

If you are near Nana Soi 4, the Pharmacy right outside Nana Hotel towards Sukhumvit has it. Across the Soi on Sukhumvit near Majectic Suites is also a Pharmacy that has it. In Pattaya everywhere around Beach Rd. Second Rd. 3rd Rd, Naklua ( North Pattaya ).

LBM[/QUOTE]

Would you know what the going rate for Calias is at the Nana Soi 4 Pharmacy?

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]A/ She was my student, we were in a foreign country and I was responsible for her. Therefore it was neither professional or ethical for me to even consider it, as tempting as it was.

If I had "tapped her", I'd have been fired, if found out. Also, given the nature of Thai women and the fact that this girl is higher than HiSo, and comes from a very powerful family, I only saw the possibility of long-term disaster for a bit of short-term pleasure.[/QUOTE]That sounds perfectly reasonable. Although your original comment made it sound like something else:

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]But, while tempting, it would come with consequences, which I'm not prepared to deal with.[/QUOTE]If you had said it "might" cum with consequences, that would be more in harmony with your comment about possible consequences, being fired, etc. But you said it "would" cum with consequences. Furthermore, nothing about "ethics" was implied in your original quote above.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]One doesn't need to tap everything in sight. I'm not 20. I actually enjoy the moments of quiet affection and the fantasy of "what if", with this girl. It's probably better than the reality of what the shag might be like [/QUOTE]I'm not 20 either, and probably into the last third of my life, though I still want to bang any hot young lassie I see walking in the areas around Nana parking lot, MBK, or Siam Paragon. Just to fantasize about it might only leave me frustrated like Barko seemed to be after reading about her in PJ's.

[QUOTE=Barko]Man, I would have no chance at all with the bank chicks I like if I didn't speak Thai, nor could I score with the Rama IV exec office girl I like to call out once in a while. [/quote]

Well I don't speak Thai and am quite successful with the above ladies. Bank girls are really not hard to pull :D

[quote][b]How do you live here if you don't speak Thai?[/b][/quote]

Well I don't usually hang out or shop in the outdoor areas so everywhere I go, they either understand English or I can get by with my basic Thai (Very basic). It's not that hard to get by here without speaking the lingo.

[quote]I therefore have to say, if you live here and you don't speak Thai, you are doing yourselves and your Thai neighbors a great disservice.[/quote]

Couldn't care less what my Thai neighbors think

[quote]Further, you probably aren't making as much money as you could be either. [/quote]

Right, now I'm interested... how so? can you explain?

[QUOTE=Barko]As far as I am concerned, I have a MUCH better time creating a fun sexy mood with any of my partners in Thailand simply by speaking Thai.[/QUOTE]I don't doubt that is true. For you. But it's hard for old lazy dogs to learn new tricks or change their ways. For me it is also not worth it IMO. Not that I haven't been force fed a dozen or two Thai words by TGs that may make them happy when I feel like using them. But that is different from knowing the language and being able to speak it fluently.

[QUOTE=Barko]Especially in the places where farangs whine about not getting good service, well I get it all the time, every time, and for the most part I think it really is because I speak Thai.[/QUOTE]It probably can help, but it isn't necessary to having a good session with a P4P gal. A lot of other factors are involved. Attitude, looks, generosity, dress, hygene, dependability, dick size, endurance, DATY, etc. If you speak Thai and the first thing you say to her is I want to YET, that is, fuck, you, how far is your Thai speak going to get you? BTW, some of these girls hate Thai music and enjoy English tunes.

[QUOTE=Barko] Man, I would have no chance at all with the bank chicks I like if I didn't speak Thai, nor could I score with the Rama IV exec office girl I like to call out once in a while.[/QUOTE]I won't question that. But personally I find there are enough P4P to feed my addiction for thousands of lifetimes. So I have no need to go to all the hard work of both learning Thai and learning the Thai dating game.

[QUOTE=Barko] I a ludicrously retarded ass clown puppet boy blurting bullshit in English for HiSo Thais to accept me and think that THEY are cool?[/QUOTE]Say what, bro?

[QUOTE=Barko] Now, here in Phuket, I speak Thai everywhere, of course [b]How do you live here if you don't speak Thai? [/b][/QUOTE]Easy, if you can speak English. I've lived in LOS half the year for the last two. English is widely spoken in sufficient quantities, even by bar girls and street walkers. Occasionally you encounter one who can't understand what smoke and boom boom mean, but the P4P TG beside her will be more than happy to translate. Give her 50 baht for her help and your name will be JAI DEE, good heart.

[QUOTE=Barko]Now, here in Phuket, [/QUOTE]Ya have to luv these names, Fuckit and Bangcock. Then there's the skytrain stations Moshit, etc

[QUOTE=Barko]Now, here in Phuket, there are lots of Germans, Norwegians, and Brits, most of them don't speak a word of Thai. The Thai people here are totally confused by this, and consider those that don't even try to speak the language to be parasitic and incompetent.[/QUOTE]They can detest foreigners all they want to. Why would I care? Not knowing Thai I don't even know what they're saying. And that is one of the great advantages of not knowing the lingo, since my mind is free from being penetrated when I go out, unlike in the Western English speaking world. OTOH, your mind, knowing Thai, is getting publicly fucked by them every day. That is, unless you've learned to adapt by using an Ipod or MP3 player to drown out all the chit chat and other garbage. Free your mind, Neo!

[QUOTE=Barko]Old Thai guy here: "He has rented my house for 12 years and still can't even talk about anything at all in my language. Why is that? "[/QUOTE]Because he came there to fuck Thai pussy for a few years and die?

[QUOTE=Barko]I therefore have to say, if you live here and you don't speak Thai, you are doing yourselves and your Thai neighbors a great disservice. Further, you probably aren't making as much money as you could be either.[/QUOTE]Many in LOS are retired and set for life. Money making days are over. Disservice? What is the problem?

[QUOTE=Barko]If you are living in any foreign country, and you are not actively making an attempt to speak the language, you are a making lame slacker excuses for yourself. Period. In other words, for crap's sake man, how can you possibly live anywhere if you don't speak the lingo?

Or am I missing something?[/QUOTE]Yeah. You can speak English with many Thais and most foreigners vacationing or living in LOS. You can go to movie complexes where there are as many English speaking movies as Thai movies, and even the Thai movies have English subtitles. You can buy zillions of English speaking DVDs, music and films. There are as many English speaking TV stations available as Thai. Then there's the internet. What more can a guy need? Why go to the pains of learning another tongue?

English is the number two language in LOS and all one really needs while living there unless, perhaps, they are working, in business, living on the farm, or want to increase the chances of finding one or more non P4P TGs.

Fleetz,

Sorry have no idea, maybe someone else has that answer.


LBM

[quote=barko]good grief, think about what you are saying and where you are saying it!

as far as i am concerned, i have a much better time creating a fun sexy mood with any of my partners in thailand simply by speaking thai. especially in the places where farangs whine about not getting good service, well i get it all the time, every time, and for the most part i think it really is because i speak thai.

man, i would have no chance at all with the bank chicks i like if i didn't speak thai, nor could i score with the rama iv exec office girl i like to call out once in a while. i could go on here but don't want to blow cover more than i already have on this board.

sure what i just said falls under that category of sleeping with the lower class, but fuck that, am i a ludicrously retarded ass clown puppet boy blurting bullshit in english for hiso thais to accept me and think that they are cool? fuck no, of course not. if those hisos are talking behind my back, they are speaking thai, natch. and, for the most part, they wish they would have gone to the schools i did in the us, but they couldn't even pass the entrance exam, even with all that canardly prep school crap they cheated through, and, it pisses them off bigtime. tough shit. and damm straight, you had better believe that i rub it in too. heh. :d

next: all of my neighbors in chiang mai, years ago, spoke thai with me, these were the monied up older thai people that most farangs never even see. in fact, speaking thai was a basic requirement, essential and mandatory. now, here in phuket, i speak thai everywhere, of course [b]how do you live here if you don't speak thai?[/b]

thirdly, and just an aside, i go to singapore a lot. one of my closest friends and clients there is 1/2 thai and 1/2 chinese, he pulls down something on the order of $3 million a year, that's $250k a month (for those arithmetically challenged) i would consider him hiso, but he never ever puts on those fucking airs like the thais do. we speak thai with each other when we don't want the other chinese guys to understand what we are saying, invaluable for us both, and creating an air of a pair of internationalists at work, which we, in fact, are.

now, here in phuket, there are lots of germans, norwegians, and brits, most of them don't speak a word of thai. the thai people here are totally confused by this, and consider those that don't even try to speak the language to be parasitic and incompetent. old thai guy here: "he has rented my house for 12 years and still can't even talk about anything at all in my language. why is that?"

i therefore have to say, if you live here and you don't speak thai, you are doing yourselves and your thai neighbors a great disservice. further, you probably aren't making as much money as you could be either. in other words, your concept of not "going native" is robbing you of 'random reality life experiences', and most probably making damn sure that you can't possibly make any serious money here without being the underling slave of some foreign corporation. you know, those bootlicker ugly dudes with bad haircuts wearing gadawfully tailored slacks and razor pressed white shirts that you see on the bts every afternoon and soi cowboy every night? groan.

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that loud buzzer you just heard over your head somewhere on the big sound stage of life means you just gave the wrong answer dude.

now, let's talk about paris, rome, shanghai and tokyo, shall we?

if you are living in any foreign country, and you are not actively making an attempt to speak the language, you are a making lame slacker excuses for yourself. period. in other words, for crap's sake man, how can you possibly live anywhere if you don't speak the lingo?

or am i missing something?[/quote]

yes, you are missing something and, this may be the pot calling the kettle black, as gawd knows, i'm an arrogant prick, sometimes, but you do come across as a rather pompous asshole and incredibly presumptuous.

firstly, of course i speak thai, as well as a fair amount of a couple of different isaan dialects, and even a modicum of passaa nuea. i've studied and travelled extensively in my life and as a result have at various times and when circumstances demanded it spoken enough french, german, dutch, italian and greek to survive quite nicely and happily.


i dare say i probably know a least as much as you think you do about thai culture, and probably considerably more, given that i teach it and actually live within the culture (i.e. i don't live in phuket in some farang ghetto. i live in a thai neigbourhood, next to a temple, within earshot of a mosque surrounded completely by working-class thais speaking only thai). i have been intimately involved with thais from the lowest echelons to the very highest in my nearly 13 years here. my first job was with the nation, where i was a manager, and had a private thai tutor who taught me thai, the very first year i was in this country. the nation btw was wall-to-wall with hot office girls, including some philipinas. i was a boss, new meat and of great interest in a place with relatively few farang. you do the math.

i have even worked for the royal household and used to see various scions of "the family" on a regular basis. i have and still work with thais who could buy your mate in singapore with their lunch money. hell, i have students who could buy your mate with their lunch money. i've probably dated more hot thai students, bank clerks and secretaries than you've had hot dinners.

my original point, which i actually first made awhile ago in another post is that i hate farang who become more thai than thai, which btw was also old asia hand's point.

i hate farang who wai, bow and scrape to their perceived betters. i hate farang who dress like upcountry hicks when they live in some bumfuck village in isaan, thinking they're trying to fit in. isaan people just scratch their heads and wonder why the "bugsida" (that's isaan for "farang", just in case you don't know) with all that money would voluntarily dress like some f-ing rice farmer. i hate farang who think they're "geng" because they can eat phra-ra, a ton of chillis, and slurp noodles with the locals on the street. i hate farang who have the bad taste to drink johnny walker black because their hiso thai mates think this is the height of sophistication. most of all, i hate farang assholes like you who think that because they can "speak the lingo", and hit on bank clerks that they're in with the natives, and just too cool for school.

trust me, dude. thais being thais (and ultimately two-faced and xenophobic regardless of how fluent you are or think you are) probably still think you're as big a wanker as those swedes walking around patong with their suntanned, leathery skin, red bull t-shirts and shiny shorts.

you come off so often as a grumpy old man sitting on your front porch bitching at the world,

you hate falangs , you hate thais , why are you there ?

i love reading your posts because you know your shit being there so long , but maybe you need to go back and read your own postings and see how bitter they come off when written down,

lighten up a bit , you have only so many years before the worms get you , live them with a smile on your face , a real smile not a thai smile :)

bk

[quote=old thai hand]

i hate farang who wai, bow and scrape to their perceived betters. i hate farang who dress like upcountry hicks when they live in some bumfuck village in isaan, thinking they're trying to fit in. isaan people just scratch their heads and wonder why the "bugsida" (that's isaan for "farang", just in case you don't know) with all that money would voluntarily dress like some f-ing rice farmer. i hate farang who think they're "geng" because they can eat phra-ra, a ton of chillis, and slurp noodles with the locals on the street. i hate farang who have the bad taste to drink johnny walker black because their hiso thai mates think this is the height of sophistication. most of all, i hate farang assholes like you who think that because they can "speak the lingo", and hit on bank clerks that they're in with the natives, and just too cool for school.

trust me, dude. thais being thais (and ultimately two-faced and xenophobic regardless of how fluent you are or think you are) probably still think you're as big a wanker as those swedes walking around patong with their suntanned, leathery skin, red bull t-shirts and shiny shorts.[/quote]

There's a on going discussion about what the Thai think of farangs going native, so I wanted to add my 2 cents.

Thais judge people of all race by their actions. What I mean is if you're a farang that have decided to learn Thai and speak it at very occasion, this would be a good thing. But if your neighbor see you bringing new bar girl looking Thai girls home, then they will sure talk shit about you. Even if you have a few Thai friends that you hang out with and you carry yourself as a low life foreigner whose only purpose for learn Thai is to score with Thai girls, then they will think lowly of you.

On the other hand, if you are a nice guy with a good heart, a good job, maybe a car, a steady Thai girl friend (who does not look and talk like a bar girl). You give your loose change to the poor old people. You buy flowers for the Buddha shrines. You exercise regular at the gym. If you lead an overall "HiSo" life ( even if you go whoring at night), the Thai will respect you. This not only applies to Thailand but applies to all SE Asian countries.

My advices are

-Learn to speak Thai.

-Never take a bar girl home, instead use a cheap hotel room near by.

-if you're dating a Thai girl make sure she speaks educated Thai. I dated a very hot girl that I met at a disco for a few months. Soon my Thai friends stop hang out with me and I later found out that my ex-GF had a gutter mouth. Yes, Thailand has its version of the ghetto.

-if your girl has tattoos don't show them in public. Very few regular Thai girls have them.

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-refraining from sharing all of your sexual exploits with the Thai guys. They might laugh and talk you up when you're around, but will think lowly of you and talk shit about behind your back. Leave your stories here instead.

-don't talk about how much money you have or what fancy things you brought.

[quote=old thai hand]i hate farang who wai, bow and scrape to their perceived betters. i hate farang who dress like upcountry hicks when they live in some bumfuck village in isaan, thinking they're trying to fit in. isaan people just scratch their heads and wonder why the "bugsida" (that's isaan for "farang", just in case you don't know) with all that money would voluntarily dress like some f-ing rice farmer. i hate farang who think they're "geng" because they can eat phra-ra, a ton of chillis, and slurp noodles with the locals on the street. i hate farang who have the bad taste to drink johnny walker black because their hiso thai mates think this is the height of sophistication. most of all, i hate farang assholes like you who think that because they can "speak the lingo", and hit on bank clerks that they're in with the natives, and just too cool for school. [/quote]

lol, great rant. i would like to add guys who insist on getting in long, pointless, repetitive conversations with taxi drivers, and who are rude to the point of abusive with thai staff in farang-oriented joints who dare to presume to address them in english. i don't hate them so much as they bore me to tears- how much more impressive they would be were they to show a bit of modesty!- but then i realize that for a lot of long-timers, it's all they have. i mean, having taken the trouble and time to learn a difficult, "exotic" language like thai, in end what do you get to show for it? the ability to branch off into other languages in the group, like a non-native speaker of russian might do? (yes, knowing thai makes learning lao easier, i'm sure.) the possibility of finding good work in europe or north america that learning chinese, korean, or japanese might afford? not really. . .

it obviously makes sense to gain some proficiency in thai if one is going to live or spend extended periods of time here, but it seems to me the law of diminishing returns kicks in pretty quickly unless there is a strong need to use the language professionally (and it had better be a really strong need, because aspiring to that level requires serious dedication). insofar as speaking thai with the "educated" class here, they might praise you for the effort, but they will not like it one bit if you insist on speaking thai with them- and they will really hate you if they find out your thai is better than their english. english ability is pretty strongly tied in with class identity here, and being forced to speak thai with a farang could cause a loss of face, especially among the chinese colonist class. thai is the language of the lower classes, and the chinese learn it because they have to; whereas, if you speak teochew or hakka they might be impressed. . .

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]. . .why the "Bugsida" (that's Isaan for "Farang", just in case you don't know) with all that money would voluntarily dress like some f-ing rice farmer. [/QUOTE]
I gotta say, I do like the denim farmer shirts (with real buttons)- they are comfy and the pockets are really handy, plus you can wear the shirt open during the day with a t-shirt underneath, and button up at night if it is cool. I hope we can still be friends one day.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I hate Farang who think they're "Geng" because they can eat Phra-ra[/QUOTE]
Pity the phra-ra eating farang; they are deranged. Said vile substance is not allowed in our home, which is OK because my wife HATES being suspected of being Isaan (her mom eats it, though. . .hmmm).

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]. . . a ton of chillis, and slurp noodles with the locals on the street.[/QUOTE]
I do like some kee noo in my khao ka moo; henceforth, if while eating little hot chilis in my pork rice I notice an expression of scorn on a Canadian-looking chap, I'll introduce myself. No worry about the noodles, which are fit only for girls and Japanese males.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I hate Farang who have the bad taste to drink Johnny Walker Black[/QUOTE]
Unforgivable. The pan-Asian devotion to the stuff is bizarre. Then again, I don't get blended Scotch anyway.

Trust me, dude. Thais being Thais (and ultimately two-faced and xenophobic regardless of how fluent you are or think you are) probably still think you're as big a wanker as those Swedes walking around Patong with their suntanned, leathery skin, Red Bull T-shirts and shiny shorts.[/QUOTE]Oth:

Barko's post didn't in the slightest come off as attacking you, rather people IN GENERAL who live here for years and don't bother to learn Thai. A completely fair target, for obvious reasons. Your original post however. "I hate Farang, who go native". Does imply an attack on anyone who tries.

You are self absorbed and self obsessed beyond belief. Sure you have some fascinating things to say, but you nearly always end up barking out some unnecessarily wounded knee-jerk reaction, and then shoehorning in yet another obscenely long litany of achievements and Thai credentials, which imply your total superiority and unassailable wonderfulness. Enough already, we all know that part.

Get some therapy man and lighten up.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Yes, you are missing something and, this may be the pot calling the kettle black, as Gawd knows, I'm an arrogant prick, sometimes, but you do come across as a rather pompous asshole and incredibly presumptuous.[/QUOTE]Yep. No excuses, none at all, guilty as charged. And, I have a house surrounded with palm trees, hibiscus, jasmine, lemon grass, orchids (& some extraneous weird purple flowery shit I pulled out of the jungle behind my house,) a vegetable garden, fruit trees, a 180 degree white water view of the ocean, a 41' sailboat, two condos in major Asian cities, and fly to work every week. You?

Jeez, you think I am pompous, you should see the Japs I have to deal with. Watching them watch the Sumo championships on TV last weekend at the Amari Watergate was overwhelming. (They both had ticket packages for all events, but in the true Japanese manner, they gave them to employees and came here for holiday instead.) One guy owns a trucking company in Kanazawa (for crap's sake,) and I want to bang his insanely hot 23 yr old daughter so bad I have wet dreams about it every night, and the other is a board member and part owner of a major brand computer wholesale outlet in Yokohama. They have been friends with each other since elementary school, and they both sincerely think that they are god, alpha males gone seriously seriously wrong.

To operate in this real world of E Asia, to be able to actually own something on your own, and make something of yourself, you have to have some pretty bigass brass balls and a monstrous sense of humor, right OTH? I know you got them both. And, no I won't start with the farang Thai teacher jokes, I promise. ;)

From 1983 when I first bought into Thailand, I have never taken much of a liking to Isaan or it's culture, it's way too backasswards, more than a little confused, and the girls are butt ugly too. You can have both it, and them. The farangs that live there and try to emulate the Isaan people are usually lowlife ex-barcrawler burnouts. Don't need any of that either.

Strange too, because Isaan actually used to be the commercial center of Siam, the true money generation area for all of Thailand. The extended families were rich, powerful, and narcissistic. Then along came WW2 and later, Hom Mali (wet rice hybrid, USA 1956,) and everything changed. Rice went south, and Isaan money went with it. Now they have to pop out female bay-bees as fast as they can just to make sure that Bangkok, Pattaya, and Phuket all have enough bar-bees to go around.

If in saying that, it makes me even more of a pompous asshole, that's just the way I am hardwired. Reading lots of your posts I think you have some of that in you too OTH. It's what happens when you live here for a long time and have to deal with the shit daily. Both sides pulling against the middle.

So, don't get me wrong, I love it here. I can't think of actually living anywhere else right now, it just drives my old sorry ass off the deep end sometimes. Then, I have to go deal with the bigshots in Singapore and Xiamen (etc) again, and I am reminded (again) why I live here and NOT there, (nor anywhere else in the world for that matter.)

Sorry this got so stretched out, talk about all over the map! Heh.

I'm just glad I learned how to speak Thai 25 years ago, and learned (burned) early regarding Thai chicks, it really has made all the difference (in my own convoluted version of the universe here in LaLa land.) Pompous prick or not.

[QUOTE=Sanook D]LOL, great rant. I would like to add guys who insist on getting in long, pointless, repetitive conversations with taxi drivers, and who are rude to the point of abusive with Thai staff in farang-oriented joints who dare to presume to address them in English. I don't hate them so much as they bore me to tears- how much more impressive they would be were they to show a bit of modesty!- but then I realize that for a lot of long-timers, it's all they have. I mean, having taken the trouble and time to learn a difficult, "exotic" language like Thai, in end what do you get to show for it? The ability to branch off into other languages in the group, like a non-native speaker of Russian might do? (Yes, knowing Thai makes learning Lao easier, I'm sure.) The possibility of finding good work in Europe or North America that learning Chinese, Korean, or Japanese might afford? Not really. . .

It obviously makes sense to gain some proficiency in Thai if one is going to live or spend extended periods of time here, but it seems to me the law of diminishing returns kicks in pretty quickly unless there is a strong need to use the language professionally (and it had better be a really strong need, because aspiring to that level requires serious dedication). Insofar as speaking Thai with the "educated" class here, they might praise you for the effort, but they will not like it one bit if you insist on speaking Thai with them- and they will really hate you if they find out your Thai is better than their English. English ability is pretty strongly tied in with class identity here, and being forced to speak Thai with a farang could cause a loss of face, especially among the Chinese colonist class. Thai is the language of the lower classes, and the Chinese learn it because they have to; whereas, if you speak Teochew or Hakka they might be impressed. . .[/QUOTE]

As usual Sanook, you're spot on. More often than not, I speak "Taxi Thai" and don't let on that I can speak better or understand because actually Thais in general don't like a Farang to be too proficient. To them, a little bit of Thai is 'na rak'. Too much, and you're a threat.

You're also right about the HiSo crowd, especially the Thai-Chinese. English is the Lingua Franka and a status symbol. For example, a lot of my students have spent their whole lives at international schools, learning in English and have difficulty speaking Thai (at least properly) and more often than not speak a teenage slang version, heavily peppered with English/Tinglish. A lot of them can't read or write Thai, at all.

If you want to hear crappy Thai, just listen to Taksin. It's almost as bad as his English.


[QUOTE=BKK Dreaming]you come off so often as a grumpy old man sitting on your front porch bitching at the world,

You hate falangs , you hate Thais , why are you there ?

I love reading your posts because you know your shit being there so long , but maybe you need to go back and read your own postings and see how bitter they come off when written down,

lighten up a bit , you have only so many years before the worms get you , live them with a smile on your face , a real smile not a Thai smile :)
BK[/QUOTE]

Does "BKK Dreaming" mean that you are dreaming of BKK? Just curious.

Some guys complain when their favorite team loses, or their kid smashes up their brand new SUV. I complain about those things around me which, while I can't change them, nevetheless [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off. It's my little hobby. Haven't you ever had a whinge about anything?

Judging from your name, I somehow suspect that you don't live here. If that's the case, try it for awhile and not as some retiree in the Farang bubble of Pattaya, but as a working stiff trying to deal with people here.

Then, let's see how much of a Pollyanna you still are.

[QUOTE=Sanook D]...Insofar as speaking Thai with the "educated" class here, they might praise you for the effort, but they will not like it one bit if you insist on speaking Thai with them- and they will really hate you if they find out your Thai is better than their English. English ability is pretty strongly tied in with class identity here, and being forced to speak Thai with a farang could cause a loss of face,...[/QUOTE]
I can't think of a single advantage in speaking Thai with an elite hi-so from the "educated" class unless the conversation might lead to a BBBJ CIM. :D

[QUOTE=Sanook D]I gotta say, I do like the denim farmer shirts (with real buttons)- they are comfy and the pockets are really handy, plus you can wear the shirt open during the day with a t-shirt underneath, and button up at night if it is cool. I hope we can still be friends one day.[/QUOTE]

Around the house is ok. But, at the mall? I saw some fuckwith in Korat walking around in the mall with his midget TGF, sporting a Maw Hawhm and one of those checkered scarfie things and wanted to go up and ask him if he was about to break into song and sing "Bo rak see dam" or dance the "wong ram".

[QUOTE=Sanook D]I do like some kee noo in my khao ka moo.[/QUOTE]

I don't mind chillies either. What I meant was...you know those guys who "announce" to any Thai within earshot how many chillies they can eat, as if they've just won the Nobel prize.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]

Does "BKK Dreaming" mean that you are dreaming of BKK? Just curious.

Some guys complain when their favorite team loses, or their kid smashes up their brand new SUV. I complain about those things around me which, while I can't change them, nevetheless [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off. It's my little hobby. Haven't you ever had a whinge about anything?

Judging from your name, I somehow suspect that you don't live here. If that's the case, try it for awhile and not as some retiree in the Farang bubble of Pattaya, but as a working stiff trying to deal with people here.

Then, let's see how much of a Pollyanna you still are.[/QUOTE]

BKK Dreaming is a take off of "California Dreaming" ,
No I live in California , and would not think of living in Thailand full time ,

but when I am in BKK it is to have fun and not ***** about everything ,
and yes I stay in the Farang bubble of Soi 4 , but have been all over the city for work too,

So lighten up a little , tell us some fun stories , you must have some of those too , it cannot all be bitching about everyone ,

Have fun
BK

[QUOTE=Daddy07]I can't think of a single advantage in speaking Thai with an elite hi-so from the "educated" class unless the conversation might lead to a BBBJ CIM. :D[/QUOTE]

I would stand on my head and speak Pali for that. Actually, from what I am hearing from farang friends of mine working for Buddhist charities, the over-35 "Hi-So" ladies have to be fought off with a stick. Not surprising given that the men of that social class over 30 either have gaggles of mistresses both regular and irregular, or are gay.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]...I somehow suspect that you don't live here. If that's the case, try it for awhile and not as some retiree in the Farang bubble of Pattaya, but as a working stiff trying to deal with people here.

Then, let's see how much of a Pollyanna you still are.[/QUOTE]
Why would any guy in his right mind want to come live in Thailand as a working stiff trying to deal with the people here? That's enough to turn anyone into a grumpy, cranky, old misanthrope.

Far better to visit for a while until you are a bit older and wise enough to retire into the Farang bubble of Pattaya, aka paradise on earth, where there is nothing to complain about and the living is easy. :)

Happened to be around Soi 4 and inquire for you. They are asking 2,100 Bhat for a box. I think there are 4 tablets in a box.

[QUOTE=Fleetz]Would you know what the going rate for Calias is at the Nana Soi 4 Pharmacy?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Barko]There are many places. Here is my guy in BKK:

BTS to Soi 11 Sukhumvit. Go up 11 maybe 100 meters, just past the Village Market and before the bank on the right, you'll see a good sized pharmacy, the glass front sliding door facing toward the bank. Vitamin K is 300 Baht/4pack, product comes direct through a private India based source. XLNT quality, always in stock. Open Sundays.[/QUOTE]


Barko, LBM:

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Why would any guy in his right mind want to come live in Thailand as a working stiff trying to deal with the people here? That's enough to turn anyone into a grumpy, cranky, old misanthrope.

Far better to visit for a while until you are a bit older and wise enough to retire into the Farang bubble of Pattaya, aka paradise on earth, where there is nothing to complain about and the living is easy. :)[/QUOTE]

In hindsight, I totally agree.

Hi guys,

Any chance of me getting an action in a 7hr transit in Bangkok?

Cheers,

Sharath

[quote=old thai hand]yes, you are missing something and, this may be the pot calling the kettle black, as gawd knows, i'm an arrogant prick, sometimes, but you do come across as a rather pompous asshole and incredibly presumptuous.

firstly, of course i speak thai, as well as a fair amount of a couple of different isaan dialects, and even a modicum of passaa nuea. i've studied and travelled extensively in my life and as a result have at various times and when circumstances demanded it spoken enough french, german, dutch, italian and greek to survive quite nicely and happily.

i dare say i probably know a least as much as you think you do about thai culture, and probably considerably more, given that i teach it and actually live within the culture (i.e. i don't live in phuket in some farang ghetto. i live in a thai neigbourhood, next to a temple, within earshot of a mosque surrounded completely by working-class thais speaking only thai). i have been intimately involved with thais from the lowest echelons to the very highest in my nearly 13 years here. my first job was with the nation, where i was a manager, and had a private thai tutor who taught me thai, the very first year i was in this country. the nation btw was wall-to-wall with hot office girls, including some philipinas. i was a boss, new meat and of great interest in a place with relatively few farang. you do the math.

i have even worked for the royal household and used to see various scions of "the family" on a regular basis. i have and still work with thais who could buy your mate in singapore with their lunch money. hell, i have students who could buy your mate with their lunch money. i've probably dated more hot thai students, bank clerks and secretaries than you've had hot dinners.

my original point, which i actually first made awhile ago in another post is that i hate farang who become more thai than thai, which btw was also old asia hand's point.

i hate farang who wai, bow and scrape to their perceived betters. i hate farang who dress like upcountry hicks when they live in some bumfuck village in isaan, thinking they're trying to fit in. isaan people just scratch their heads and wonder why the "bugsida" (that's isaan for "farang", just in case you don't know) with all that money would voluntarily dress like some f-ing rice farmer. i hate farang who think they're "geng" because they can eat phra-ra, a ton of chillis, and slurp noodles with the locals on the street. i hate farang who have the bad taste to drink johnny walker black because their hiso thai mates think this is the height of sophistication. most of all, i hate farang assholes like you who think that because they can "speak the lingo", and hit on bank clerks that they're in with the natives, and just too cool for school.

trust me, dude. thais being thais (and ultimately two-faced and xenophobic regardless of how fluent you are or think you are) probably still think you're as big a wanker as those swedes walking around patong with their suntanned, leathery skin, red bull t-shirts and shiny shorts.[/quote]already when a thai try to be farang it s ridiculous but when a farang try to be like a thai. oh my god! i hate too, farang introduced themself with a thai name, thinking because they speak thai, they can understand thai way of thinking and living. i laugh when farang introduced me their thaigirlfriend in my hotel telling me she has a regular job (when i saw her before here with many different men)

if speaking thai is a plus for travelling easily, don t be confused, you will be always a farang, and farang is a credit card with leg and nothing else. don t be fooled i understand what you mean old thai hand. mister farang just look at yourself in the mirror. and be yourself. instead of playing thai. you will be never thai what ever happened.

Hi,

I'm planning a trip to Bangkok. I am very much in Ladyboys and I have read somewhere that I should not take one to my hotel.

I am not clear whether it is unsafe or the hotel would not let us in ?

Also are there any massage parlour with ladyboy ? I have seen some gay parlour addresses but I do not know whether this includes ladyboys.

Thanks for your advice.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand] Trust me, dude. Thais being Thais (and ultimately two-faced and xenophobic regardless of how fluent you are or think you are) probably still think you're as big a wanker as those Swedes walking around Patong with their suntanned, leathery skin, Red Bull T-shirts and shiny shorts.[/QUOTE]

You forgot open toed sandals with those ever chic black anklet socks.

[QUOTE=Barko]From 1983 when I first bought into Thailand, I have never taken much of a liking to Isaan or it's culture, it's way too backasswards, more than a little confused, and the girls are butt ugly too. You can have both it, and them. The farangs that live there and try to emulate the Isaan people are usually lowlife ex-barcrawler burnouts. Don't need any of that either.[/QUOTE]I have to say in the most politest way possible to such a seasoned veteran as you? . What an absolute pile of shite! Generalization hits the land of smiles again. Um. You will be telling me that all western women are fucking supermodels next. That's why you live here. Should we be calling you Brad Pitt?

Define backward. Not sure of your nationality. If you are American. Then it wasn't long ago you had Blacks crawling around like subservient insects. If you are British. Then you are still wiping your arse with paper?

I am also loving this Thread :)

[QUOTE=Andybkk]There's a on going discussion about what the Thai think of farangs going native, so I wanted to add my 2 cents.

Thais judge people of all race by their actions. What I mean is if you're a farang that have decided to learn Thai and speak it at very occasion, this would be a good thing. But if your neighbor see you bringing new bar girl looking Thai girls home, then they will sure talk shit about you. Even if you have a few Thai friends that you hang out with and you carry yourself as a low life foreigner whose only purpose for learn Thai is to score with Thai girls, then they will think lowly of you.

On the other hand, if you are a nice guy with a good heart, a good job, maybe a car, a steady Thai girl friend (who does not look and talk like a bar girl). You give your loose change to the poor old people. You buy flowers for the Buddha shrines. You exercise regular at the gym. If you lead an overall "HiSo" life ( even if you go whoring at night), the Thai will respect you. This not only applies to Thailand but applies to all SE Asian countries.

My advices are

-Learn to speak Thai.

-Never take a bar girl home, instead use a cheap hotel room near by.

-if you're dating a Thai girl make sure she speaks educated Thai. I dated a very hot girl that I met at a disco for a few months. Soon my Thai friends stop hang out with me and I later found out that my ex-GF had a gutter mouth. Yes, Thailand has its version of the ghetto.

-if your girl has tattoos don't show them in public. Very few regular Thai girls have them.

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-refraining from sharing all of your sexual exploits with the Thai guys. They might laugh and talk you up when you're around, but will think lowly of you and talk shit about behind your back. Leave your stories here instead.

-don't talk about how much money you have or what fancy things you brought.[/QUOTE]Perfect.

I would add to this:

Learn how to smile like a very kind old uncle playing with kids, practice it in the mirror, it will take you places. Good places. No matter how dumb you think it looks, use it.

Learn how to never get angry in public. When totally flipping out, use the old uncle smile, it will save your butt more times than you know.

Learn how to dress yourself, the Thai guy may hang out in a pair of 20 year old pants with holes and no shirt, but you can't. BKK: pants, shirt, shoes = even on Sat-Sun. Phuket: dressy island style, it's comfortable and it says more about you to the Thais than your mouth (or your Fortuner) ever could. Save the singlets for when you are right on the sand, no matter how old (or young) you are.

Learn how to take showers at least twice a day, it's a hot country and you freakin reek jack. Thais hate stinky people, they will avoid you like the plague and 'talk story' about you. You can get away with bad breath, bad manners, and a bad attitude. But if your body always smells like you just crapped Vieux Boulogne cheese in your BVDs, you are fucked. Cleanliness is politeness here, politeness is everything.

Sure there are lots more, but that's my? 2 worth.

Sanook D,

I'm Chinese American can speak Teochew and Hakka, but no one is impressed!

LBM

[QUOTE=Paulpaulo]Hi,

I'm planning a trip to Bangkok. I am very much in Ladyboys and I have read somewhere that I should not take one to my hotel.

I am not clear whether it is unsafe or the hotel would not let us in ?

Also are there any massage parlour with ladyboy ? I have seen some gay parlour addresses but I do not know whether this includes ladyboys.

Thanks for your advice.[/QUOTE]

Careful, Paulpaulo. You have managed to violate the forum rules with your very first post.

[QUOTE]No Discussion about Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males: Please do not post any messages anywhere on this site that refers to Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males. This website is about sex between men who were always men and women who were always women. Any person violating this policy will banned immediately.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Old Asia Hand]OTH,

I've got to tell you that I'm really enjoying this thread. I've been having exactly this same argument with foreigners here for twenty years, occasionally putting my thoughts almost word for word as you have put yours. I was even banned from Thai Visa quite a few years ago for offering essentially the same views. When I complained to an administrator, he emailed mailed me that 'anti-Thai comments' such as mine 'would not be tolerated from foreigners' That was one of the better 'more-Thai-than-thou' experiences I can remember.

Anyway, I'm happy as hell to see someone else carrying the water for a change, particularly when you do it with such style. I just don't understand where you find the time or the patience to continue the dialogue with such energy. After a couple of rounds these days, I'm ready to offer a hardy Fuck You and shove off. Maybe I'm just getting old.[/QUOTE]

I have time because I'm not working at the moment. That will all change tomorrow when I start up again at my old university, but in a new job.

I had a funny call from one of those "More Thai Than Thai-Farang" wankers yesterday, (he would have been my new boss, except...) who's been in the country all of 4 years and admonished me for essentially not acting "greng jai" in dealing with my new (now ex-new) employers. To put it bluntly, I greatly insulted the Thai administration of an insignificant, 2-bit Thai school, of no importance, and as a result was deemed to have a "bad attitude" and too risky to employ (i.e. I wouldn't kiss their asses).

Why?

A couple of weeks ago the academic director (American) of the school offered me an acceptable salary for an administrative/teaching position, to which I agreed. In my mind, it was just a short term thing until I worked out something else I am doing. But, still I intended to honour my committment, while there.

In the interim, the school, as often happens here got new management, who would not honour the original offer made to me, and who came back with an offer that was about $500 less per month. Needless to say, I was annoyed, and insulted and I went slightly ballistic, because not only had they no scruples or ethics, they had also cost me another job, which paid more, and which I had stupidly turned down in some misguided sense of duty and loyalty (my father's Protestant work ethic drilled into me as a child). What's worse, the simpering American academic director was completely duplicitous in this and saw nothing at all wrong. This brings up another point. Many Farang who come here and go native, succumb to the questionable Thai way of doing things and more seriously, the lapse in ethics and professionalism that is pervasive here.

Fortunately, I've been able to salvage the job I turned down.

The relevant point is that the new, eager beaver, super keen Farang dean, (more Thai than Tom Yum Kung), who called me yesterday to 'unhire' me, not seeming to get the obvious injustice proceeded to explain to me how things work here, (like I don't know). Apparently, I had caused the Thai administration to lose face (duh, do you think?) because I called them, quite rightly "unethical and unprofessional", among other more colorful language. Accordingly, he reprimanded me and reminded me that, I had to learn to show proper respect to my Thai bosses, if I ever hoped to fit in...to which I responded, "fuck off" and hung up.

I'm sure this guy, lives in some Thai hovel, because it's authentic, and eats noodles on the street, with the locals, and chats with motor-cycle taxi guys, so he can practice his Thai. He wai-ed the new gangster/president of the school at a recent meeting to such a degree that, had he bent over much more, he would have fallen on his head, and been done up the bum by the pres's gay assistant. In contrast, I didn't wai (for which I was criticized), but merely offered a firm handshake, which I feel is more appropriate for a Farang. I have wai-ed on occasion, but usually in a perfunctory way, because I see it as classist, obsequious fawning. When Farang do it, it's usually quite nauseating.

[QUOTE=Shartz6996]Hi guys,

Any chance of me getting an action in a 7hr transit in Bangkok?

Cheers,

Sharath[/QUOTE]

It's hard for anyone to give advice if you don't specify what time of day it would be. The options would vary a lot depending on what time of day you are there.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I'm sure this guy, lives in some Thai hovel, because it's authentic, and eats noodles on the street, with the locals, and chats with motor-cycle taxi guys, so he can practice his Thai. He wai-ed the new gangster/president of the school at a recent meeting to such a degree that, had he bent over much more, he would have fallen on his head, and been done up the bum by the pres's gay assistant. In contrast, I didn't wai (for which I was criticized), but merely offered a firm handshake, which I feel is more appropriate for a Farang. I have wai-ed on occasion, but usually in a perfunctory way, because I see it as classist, obsequious fawning. When Farang do it, it's usually quite nauseating.[/QUOTE]Darn, OTH, now you're not only being fuxored by the Thai but by the falang, too??!

Anyway, some options here in Bangkok in case you want to go out instead of writing long reports:

- SoL for the exhibitionist.

- Demonia for the masochist.

- Soi 33 for the intellectual, to discuss whether it's MOnet or actually MAnet (happy hour until 9 for the unemployed intellectual).

Di-da-doh!

[QUOTE=David 2]You forgot open toed sandals with those ever chic black anklet socks.[/QUOTE]

ah, yes. Where are the fashion police, when you need them.

My favorite though are the 80 y.o. northern European women with skin like old nogahyde, stomachs with a surface like the washboards played by a Southern US jug band, and nipples making tracks in the sand, who insist on going topless in full view on Patong and worse, then leave the beach to munch on some Phad Thai at the over-priced beach restaurants with tits still out and tickling the bean sprouts adorning their noodles, while the Thai wait-staff look on in slightly disdainful resignation mixed with amusement.

It's enough to make you up-chuck.

All of these posts are nothing to do with fucking in Bangkok.

This is the Bangkok Reports thread.

Please move these posts over to the Living in Thailand thread.

[QUOTE=Centaurus]Darn, OTH, now you're not only being fuxored by the Thai but by the falang, too??!

Anyway, some options here in Bangkok in case you want to go out instead of writing long reports:

- SoL for the exhibitionist.

- Demonia for the masochist.

- Soi 33 for the intellectual, to discuss whether it's MOnet or actually MAnet (happy hour until 9 for the unemployed intellectual).

Di-da-doh![/QUOTE]

At least when you're fucked over by Thais, it's genuine, as opposed to being done by Farang who are just pretentious wannabes and posers.

BTW, for intellectual discussion on soi 33, I never go any further than, a sit down with Giotto, while he smokes, tap, tap, taps at his laptop, bitches about this and that (good company for me) and surveys his domain.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Careful, Paulpaulo. You have managed to violate the forum rules with your very first post.[/QUOTE]

There's also a rule against mentioning other forums, so it's not even possible to recommend other places for this guy to go ask. But of course there are a few forums out there that deal with Thailand, Bangkok and Pattaya nightlife, and I'm pretty sure they're more lax about this issue.

The guy also doesn't have PM turned on, so it's hard to help him.

[QUOTE=Centaurus]Darn, OTH, now you're not only being fuxored by the Thai but by the falang, too??!

Anyway, some options here in Bangkok in case you want to go out instead of writing long reports:

- SoL for the exhibitionist.

- Demonia for the masochist.

- Soi 33 for the intellectual, to discuss whether it's MOnet or actually MAnet (happy hour until 9 for the unemployed intellectual).

Di-da-doh![/QUOTE]Oh! Centaurus, on that note, I had almost let it slide by without saying something:

I wanted to extend a big thank you for the tip on the Mandarin Nana Plaza. My Japanese buddies loved it, they scored bigtime, so did I. Best night out in their visit to Thailand. :D

That simple little reply of yours made for a night memorable for all of us. If there is anything I can do... and I will definitely keep this stored in my alleged mind... I owe you one. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]ah, yes. Where are the fashion police, when you need them.

[/QUOTE]

I like the middle aged balding guys who wear headbands as if they just stepped out of Fame 30 years later but forgot to change. Thailand is also the land of bad Farang haircuts. It's like going to Cuba and seeing old Pontiacs - here you get to see every bad male fashion misstep from the 1970's on.

As to the English debate - I am not sure I see the issue - if some people want to live in a bubble and not speak a word of Thai and they are loving life so be it - but if on the other hand folks want to immerse themselves in Thai culture good for them. Whatever floats your boat. I've been coming to Thailand for vacations since about 1993 and never made even a mild attempt to learn the language - but now that I am here nearly fulltime I finally picked up a book on Thai and have been slogging thru it a bit every day.

I'll never be good at this language with its tones - a girl went thru the various meanings/pronunceations of Khao the other day and every one of them sounded exactly the same to my tin ear - but I am finding it enjoyable and maybe in a year or two if I stick to it I will be able to make a Thai understand me from time to time. You may say why bother - simply because I want to. The only contact I have with Hi-so's is when I brush by them at Paragon but at least the folks I deal with seem to think it is na-rak that I am trying. Whether they really think I am a jerk is their business. Certainly the girls have enjoyed helping me out when they first get here rather than immediately jumping into sex - its turning into a good way to slow things down and build some rapport - I especially like going over the body parts with them - juvenile certainly but aren't most of us who are hitting on young women. Last night every time I pronounced a word correctly, she clapped - silly but fun. It was good motivation. If only she had clapped as much during sex.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]At least when you're fucked over by Thais, it's genuine, as opposed to being done by Farang who are just pretentious wannabes and posers.[/QUOTE]Insults? Crabby attitude? Can't believe somebody may actually have a real life here in Thailand (or anywhere else for that matter? ) Must be a teacher. I am sure that you have heard this one a few hundred thousand times "Those who can, do, " big guy, "and those who can't, " well you know, they b! Tch, ad nausea, on BBSs.: D Especially those unfortunate souls that happen to get stuck teaching in SE Asia it seems.

OK. I should know, every single one of my family, and extended family, is a long term tenured professor somewhere out there on this little planet, and all THEY do is b! Tch too, about the committees they are stuck on, university politics, sabbatical allowances, etc, on and on. Thing is, none of them, not one, complain about the students like the farang teachers do here in Thailand.

I was the black sheep, left home the day I turned 18, and now look where I am. Fucking hot little 18 yr old Asian chicks almost daily, (this IS ISG right, I can say that right? Sheesh) living in what some might call paradise, and flying to work every week: Bangkok, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Taipei, Kaohsiung, Hong Kong, Xiamen, etc. That's why I live in Phuket, it's in the hub, the flights the spokes, and the outer ring of the wheel are the cities. It didn't start out like that, it took a lot of risk, going back to school, falling down a bunch of time, more risks, and experiences never to be forgotten everywhere, even here in the Kingdom. But there it is.

Making any sense to you at all yet?

No? OK. Wanna see some pics? Heh.

OK, that's all for this thread, I would suppose. Broken down into little old fart b! Tchy nothings, and an obvious waste of time for everybody. Perfect day here, I'm off to the beach.

If you live here, learn how to speak Thai people, don't worry about the HiSo's, they are all just so much air in the dirty cotton candy of Thailand, and get off your butts and do something. Do something every day. And for crap's sake, stop pissing on everybody if you don't/won't. Life is too short. Oh, and one more thing, stay out of Isaan, it's a black hole with no way back.

[QUOTE=DRRonin]I've been coming to Thailand for vacations since about 1993 and never made even a mild attempt to learn the language - but now that I am here nearly fulltime I finally picked up a book on Thai and have been slogging thru it a bit every day.[/QUOTE]

My brain works in a weird way, I have been here 4 years and still don't speak Thai. I just can't put my mind to learning a language that I know is totally useless to me (or at least will be when I leave Thailand). What the point in investing my time in thai Language when everyone around me speaks English? and all the people (Thais) I do business with are all graduates from overseas universities?

I already speak 3 languages adn I think that is enough for me at the moment.

[QUOTE=Shartz6996]Hi guys,

Any chance of me getting an action in a 7hr transit in Bangkok?

Cheers,

Sharath[/QUOTE]
It depends on the time you arrive in BKK. 7 hours is not a lot, but it is enough to get AT LEAST one good session in.

A quick calculation would be 1 hour from the airport to Sukhumvit (or Ratchadapisek soapies area), 1 hour from the area back to the airport, 2 hours to check back in (immigration, customs, etc). That leaves you 3 hours to play.

With good planning, and depening on the time, you can get 2 good sessions in, and even have enough time to get a bite to eat.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
The relevant point is that the new, eager beaver, super keen Farang dean, (more Thai than Tom Yum Kung), [/QUOTE]
OTH, if it's any consolation at all, we have exactly the same sort of culturally obsequious foreigners here in the Philippines; guys who immediately "go native," on arrival and obsess on the "simple delights of paradise." The fact that they know nothing of the culture, are oblivious to the duplicity and impervious to the disdain with which they are viewed by the locals is immaterial to these "plus royalist que le roi," types. It's comforting to know that I'm not alone and that this holier than thou attitude also persists in Thailand.

I'm sorry that I never met you at Giotto's last week. You could doubtless have contributed to my continuing education.

GE

[QUOTE=Shartz6996]Hi guys,

Any chance of me getting an action in a 7hr transit in Bangkok?

Cheers,

Sharath[/QUOTE]Tell the taxi desk you want to go to the Emerald Hotel on Rachada Rd. This will cost your about 400B($14usd). This hotel is located across the street from 6 different soapie massages, my favorite being Natatree.(where I had my first threesome). The girls are lighter skin and in my opinion better looking than the go-go bar girls. The soapies I am referring to are open from 3pm-midnight. If you happen to land during a different time I would recommend the following. 2000B average or 2600B+ hotties

Before 3pm and after 10am- massage on Sukumvit Soi 22 (Teen massage, Angel massage, etc) 400B for 1hr and 1500B or lower for FS cute girls

After mid-night before 2am. Go to Nana Hotel (Nana Plaza is located across the street) Short time run can be had for 300 baht. You can do several if you like because if you arrive around this time there is no traffic. 600B bar fine and 1000B-1500B short time

These are your quickest option for some thai meat

Current exchange rate is 34B per 1usd. Good luck and have fun.

[QUOTE=Wendella]

The guy also doesn't have PM turned on, so it's hard to help him.[/QUOTE]
maybe the guy does not even have Google turned on!:)

[QUOTE=Old Asia Hand]I don't know a single foreigner in this country of any weight at all who ever wais anyone. They (we) leave that to the wankers and tourists [/QUOTE]

Yup, absolutely

[QUOTE=Old Asia Hand]I've been here twenty and don't speak a word. My wife and her family always said I'd be nuts to waste my time with it. [/QUOTE]

They probably didn't want you to know what they were saying about you behind your back;).

This is the problem about learning the lingo and is particularly relevant to Thailand. Speak the language well and you understand all the insults and bad jokes that are aimed at falangs, by strangers, on the streets. Not good for your BP and peace of mind!

This is for the guy with the questions about lady boys in Thailand.

The problem with ladyboys is that there is a history of them putting a drug on their nipples and when you suck the nipple you then passed out and they rob you. They also have been robbing guys in various ways like drug their drink etc.

So be very careful.

Some hotels let you bring them in and if you do its good if they show id.

There has been problems with them still acting agressive and even many pickpockets that are lady boys.

Another problem is that if you are drinking you may not know that its a ladyboy?

I am returning to Bangkok and want to know where the best bars are for real girl on girl action.

I am bringing my filipina with me and she wants to get up and lick real pussy. Its only been a year since I have been there but I hear things change a bit and I may have missed something since I usually travelled alone there.

Is gullivers better or worse?

[QUOTE=Old Asia Hand]I've been here twenty and don't speak a word. My wife and her family always said I'd be nuts to waste my time with it. I've never for a moment regretted taking their advice.[/QUOTE]They don't want you to know about all their ratty little schemes so you can try to do something about them before it's tool late. (Not pointing fingers at your wife, but all Thais in general) SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) here.

They talk behind your back right in front you. They make shit up right in front of you. They fuck with you right in front of you. They all do this, THAIS ALL DO THIS. Your only protection is to learn the language and make them know that you know WTF is up. It's not to impress anybody man, and it's not to get a better BBBJ at the MPs downtown, it's to protect yourself.

Ever had to deal with the police, for anything, anything at all? Ever had to deal with immigration for your visa shit? Ever had to deal with buying or selling real estate? Fucking hell, I can't even think about all the thousands of bullshit little things that have to be dealt with. If you don't speak Thai, how the hell do you know WTF is going on? Do you use your wife as a translator 24 hours a day?

One thing is absolutely sure, for me personally, if I didn't speak Thai, and know how to spin the Thais in the direction where [b]I[/b] want them to go, (smiling, talking story, buying coffee & doughnuts, acting completely at ease in a super tense situation) I would be in a freaking Betong jail cell today instead of hanging out on Kata Beach on an incredibly beautiful breezy day with a bunch of ice cold sliced pineapple, my laptop, and a fresh coconut with a straw sticking out. (Long story, but if you don't have lots and lots of long stories from living in this hotbed of hardcore wackiness then you aren't really living here at all are you? )

Whoa. I seriously can't understand how you guys can live here and not speak the language. Must be retired from real life is all I can figure. If you aren't speaking and interacting with the Thais here, and knowing totally and completely what is going on around you, then you are letting others make your decisions for you, without you knowing. If that works for you here, so be it.

[QUOTE=MauiDude]The problem with ladyboys is that there is a history of them putting a drug on their nipples and when you suck the nipple you then passed out and they rob you.[/QUOTE]Fucking hell mate,

The problem with ladyboy's as far as I'm concerned is that they are BLOKES.

[QUOTE=Old Asia Hand]The moment I hit 'Add Report,' it occurred to me that someone would say that.

Actually, all the upper class Thais I have ever known live their lives primarily in English. My wife's family speaks English among themselves, not just to me, a legacy of their English university educations. Now if they would just lose the obnoxious Brit accents.[/QUOTE]I say, that is rather over the top, old sport!

[QUOTE=Pompoy]Fucking hell mate,

The problem with ladyboy's as far as I'm concerned is that they are BLOKES.[/QUOTE]


:)


Classic!

[QUOTE=Barko]They talk behind your back right in front you. They make shit up right in front of you. They fuck with you right in front of you. They all do this, THAIS ALL DO THIS.[/QUOTE]This seems to bother you. Now if you didn't know the language, it wouldn't have been such a distress, eh? BTW, did you know that stress kills. Why would a guy want to murder himself! LOL

[QUOTE=Barko]Your only protection is to learn the language and make them know that you know WTF is up. It's not to impress anybody man, and it's not to get a better BBBJ at the MPs downtown, it's to protect yourself.[/QUOTE]Yet earlier you implied that it's the main reason for you having great sessions with the TGs 100 percent of the time. Ref post 6264 in this thread.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=887640&postcount=6264[/url]


[QUOTE=Barko]Ever had to deal with the police, for anything, anything at all? Ever had to deal with immigration for your visa shit? Ever had to deal with buying or selling real estate?[/QUOTE]Never and I intend to keep it that way.

[QUOTE=Barko]Fucking hell, I can't even think about all the thousands of bullshit little things that have to be dealt with. If you don't speak Thai, how the hell do you know WTF is going on?[/QUOTE]

Speak English? Ask for a translator? Or the Tourist Police? Read OTH's posts! Why would I want to know what is going on outside my own little world of BJ's, TG pussies, and the Rolling Stones?

[QUOTE=Barko]One thing is absolutely sure, for me personally, if I didn't speak Thai, and know how to spin the Thais in the direction where [b]I[/b] want them to go, (smiling, talking story, buying coffee & doughnuts, acting completely at ease in a super tense situation) I would be in a freaking Betong jail cell today [/QUOTE]Why, what laws are you breaking! LOL

I suggest this may speak more to your lifestyle than Thai speak. Consequently for you it may have been a life saver to know it, but to some residents it's just a WOT and a pain in the arse.

[QUOTE=Barko] (Long story, but if you don't have lots and lots of long stories from living in this hotbed of hardcore wackiness then you aren't really living here at all are you? )[/QUOTE]Everything is relative. No doubt there are some who would feel that your lifestyle is extremely dangerous, while others would find it so lame.

[QUOTE=Barko]Whoa. I seriously can't understand how you guys can live here and not speak the language. Must be retired from real life is all I can figure. If you aren't speaking and interacting with the Thais here, and knowing totally and completely what is going on around you, then you are letting others make your decisions for you, without you knowing. If that works for you here, so be it.[/QUOTE]What decisions would those be? My state in BKK I would describe not as retired from real life, but rather retired and having the time of my life. But to Barko, self confessed black sheep of his family, my lifestyle would no doubt be boring. When you add a few more notches and years to your belt, young fella, you will likely mellow out a bit. Capiche?

P. S. Three and a half hours to game three of the Stanley Cup finals between the Wings and Pens. My dough is on the champs to repeat.

[QUOTE=Gamahucher]This is the problem about learning the lingo and is particularly relevant to Thailand. Speak the language well and you understand all the insults and bad jokes that are aimed at falangs, by strangers, on the streets. Not good for your BP and peace of mind![/QUOTE]

I may be wrong but I would expect that if we lived in a Matrix like world where we could shove software into our head and instantly know Thai most of us would do. What are the drawbacks? Insulting Hi-so's by using Thai? Knowing people are badmouthing us left and right? Who cares and honestly I would love to know what the girls are saying about me bad or good - "he have big heart but small dick". But for many of us Thai is a nightmare to learn and everyone has to make their own decison about time/effort vs reward. If you are not here for business and are just enjoying the fruits of your previous labor there probably isn't a big payback. I am trying because I am finding it fun so far - and I hope it continues to be. I am just covering the days of the week, colors and body parts so it will be a while till I get to insults and curse words. Thus it may be years before I realize the girl I just asked to go with me is smiling broadly and saying to her friend "When did elephants learn to talk. I wish I had herpes to spread on his ugly white dick".

I went into this classy bar one night/early morning (1am) because I was invited by a few expat buddies. Upon getting there, I started up a conversation with a girl, who was sitting near by. The conversation goes well and I even order her a drink.

During the course of the conversation I found out that she is an acct with some Thai company, graduated from one of the better university with a degree, and the usually details.

A few minutes later she disappears and walks out of the disco section with a Japanese guy, without saying a word to me leaves with the guy.

My buddies and I concluded that she got her asking price from the Japanese guy. LOL.

Should I have asked if she was a butt-***** and gotten it over with and skip the chit chat?

Oh well, life goes on.

Ps. Most good Thai girls go to sleep at 11pm unless they busy sucking cock or getting stuff. I don't know why I had to add that.

I'm getting quite a kick out of this discussion for two reasons: first, because it reaffirms my certainty that the tendency to make fun of the farangs is by no means unique to Thailand and second, because I it makes me wonder why anyone even cares?

As to the universality--within SE Asian at least--of denigrating foreigners, it happens all the time in the Philippines, where women will explain to each other, right in front of the guys whom they're banging, that they're only in it for the money; it happens in Vietnam, in Cambodia, in Malaysia and in Hong Kong, all countries in which I've lived, worked or vacationed. Now that I live in the Philippines, I'm more conscious of it since my lady will often translate for me the conversations going on around me that I cannot understand. (Who knows, maybe she's telling her friends the same thing about me.)

As to the second point, does it really make a difference? It seems to me that there's an effective symbiosis to these relationships: the girls are living better than they ever could with the local losers, and we're all getting laid more, with much more attractive women, than would have been possible at home. The bottom line I guess, is that if you want a relationship based on "mutual respect" then stay in the West, or at least leave those expectations at home once you decide to venture Eastward.

GE

[QUOTE=Pompoy]Fucking hell mate,

The problem with ladyboy's as far as I'm concerned is that they are BLOKES.[/QUOTE]

I had a funny conversation with my language teacher recently, regarding an outing with a group of Thais, where there was one lesbian couple.

According to her, on an outing like that, sharing rooms, a guy can't sleep in the girls' room. A girl can't sleep in the guys' room. But a lesbian girl can sleep in the girls' room with her lover. A ladyboy can't sleep in the girls' room, he has to sleep in the guys' room.

However if he's had the operation (no more dick), he can sleep in the girls' room (not that he'd want to ;-) ).

Have a 8 month old, Thai / Farang daughter that is 8 months old.

Honestly, all I'm concerned about is her education and long term prospects.

I'm fairly well so, don't care how much it cost for her education.....what are my options???

Then, after her education what would I require to ensure her future employment.

Understand the primilary education is cheap (by Western Standards), I'm just looking for the $$$$$ that'll be required to ensure she gets a good paying job aftrer her education!!! Right not I'm planning on a 1-2 million baht pay-off!!

Pay-off depending on if she's really capable of handling the job!!!

Any recommendations on planning a new borns future??
Especially, if the new born if half Thai/half fanrang with no plans of moving/relocating to the U.S..
I'd even take recommendation of sending her to the states for her education, as she's an only child and money is not object (with in reason (standard U.S. college cost).




Mosquito2002

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]When you add a few more notches and years to your belt, young fella, you will likely mellow out a bit. Capiche?[/QUOTE]Sixty-four going on 34. And, having the absolute time of my life! You?

This is a long one, but I have to get it out. Anyone that reads it all, thanks:

Pink, I don't need any more notches. Please read my reply to OTH about the life possible in Thailand. I don't think I need to say it again, there are those that live it, and those who think they are, but are missing it, and those that are missing it completely. If you are living here on fixed income, there are other choices and opportunities available to you. If you are living in Thailand wondering what you are going to do next with your life, there are no excuses for you. Opportunities are endless here.

Betong synopsis:

Betong: Had overstayed visa due to a glitch on the part of a Thai holiday with a Monday closing, and the immigration office in Phuket deciding on a whim to close the previous Thursday afternoon and Friday as well. I had to be in Trang to look at some commercial property that weekend, then had a meeting with Chinese client in Penang, Malaysia (corporate mover = needed hand holding) Drove the 4X4 down Trang, then to Betong by way of Yala, intending to to cross border there and head down to the ferry at Butterworth. (Chinese client's family was from Betong, picked up his older brother and about four kilos of maps & Thai legal paperwork.)

Betong border found me sitting on top an immigration officer's desk, doing my best attempt at Scheherazade, trying to explain some of the old stuff (ancient in fact) that had magically appeared on their computer down there. Never had any problem before, ever, and have entered and exited the country literally hundreds of times, every single border crossing in Thailand, not one have I missed at one time or another. (Had a buddy from legal pay off the powers that be to make this computer stuff all go away, stupidity generated by misguided a Thai immigrationette in Chiang Mai, looking for something from me that I could never give, not my own doing at all.)

Betong was fun, but at the beginning of the episode, they had called the police, who were also there, bored to tears, and wanting to have something resolved asap. The Chinese brother had wisely just taken a seat outside the office and let me do my thing. It ended with everybody smiling away, laughing, and them telling me to come back to visit. It had taken about four hours for them to finally let me go on though the long border to Malaysia, This entire thing was all in the THAI language of course, with a little TeowChew slang thrown in for fun. (Betong is Thai, but all the people there are ethnic Chinese.)

I've owned homes and raw property in Thailand for over 25 years, have been on both the winning and the losing side of things lots of times. Chiang Rai, Chiang Mai, Mae Hong Son, Chai Nat, Bangkok, Phuket, Krabi, Songkla, etc. You play with the big dogs long enough and somebody gets a fat bite taken out of their ass a time or two. (Hint: anyone that says a farang can't own property in Thailand, is either a little more than a little slow on the draw, or simply not as clever as they need to be to live here. No PMs please.) The end justifies the means.

Again, if you are playing for real in Thailand (sorry I don't care what any religion says, you have one time around to make your thing happen, and one time only) then somebody is going to get burned every once in a while. You have to be the one that makes damn sure it doesn't happen to you. If you survive, you CAN have a pretty good life here.

Either this is funny to you, or it's not. Well. It's funny to me, I've lived it and can laugh about it. Still living it, and still laughing about it too.

Like the teachers say, I am a pompous arrogant bastard. but then, I'm from Southern California, and we all assume life for what it is. You play your character seriously, you play by the rules like you hope others do, (and lots of times THEY don't,) but never forget to make it FUN, i.e. you get what you need, make damn sure you aren't hurting anybody in the process, and make sure you come out on top more often than on the bottom. I guess the rest of the slow learners here just don't get it yet.

I don't own a bar, a nefarious hotel, nor do I run a nice little farang restaurant. I don't live off somebody else's money (like so many Euro dudes living in Phuket off their little [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]-ass inheritances.) I am not afraid of much of anything, especially not here. And, I STILL learn the languages in every place where I live or work, sure it's hard, especially for an old guy, but in my circle of influence, this simply is a must, a basic requirement of life. IF you want to be any kind of a REAL success at anything that is. Success has lots of definitions, I am living mine.

Quick one: Down on the road where I exit my driveway there is a well off Thai family with a nice home at the corner of the lane. I talk to them all the time. The wife there told me a great story about how her husband just qualified to buy a hand gun (pistola) to keep in the house (again, if you are monied up enough here, anything is possible.) He got a new .357 magnum. Last night, the guy spent the entire evening looking at himself in the mirror, posing, talking to himself and making out like he was cowboy, and indian, a cop, a thief, etc. The wife thought this to be hilarious, of course, and related it to me with a tremendous amount of mirth, enthusiasm, and outrageously well animated gyrations. We both spent 20 minutes in total uncontrolled laughter as she told and retold the story. Now, get it for yourself: I would never have experienced this supreme moment in time had I not known the people, their culture and their language, intimately. This has nothing to do with anything but the sharing of pure heart to heart communication with another human being. If you limit yourself, it is your own fault.

You have one time around the block. Be lazy at your own expense, just stay out of the way of the dudes who aren't. I don't plan to retire for another 20 years, having too much of a good time doing what I do now.

Thanks for reminding me!

People that can't speak the language in the country where they live, are like those who don't know how to read. Hide it, defend it, absolve yourself of it, but in the end you are like the person missing the joys of reading a great book. Being ignorant of the possibilities of life, you are missing out on the realities of life. Why go through life deaf and dumb if all it takes is a few minutes a day to educate yourself? Inexcusable.

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[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]Have a 8 month old, Thai / Farang daughter that is 8 months old.

Honestly, all I'm concerned about is her education and long term prospects.

I'm fairly well so, don't care how much it cost for her education. What are my options?

Then, after her education what would I require to ensure her future employment.

Understand the primilary education is cheap (by Western Standards), I'm just looking for the $$$$$ that'll be required to ensure she gets a good paying job aftrer her education! Right not I'm planning on a 1-2 million baht pay-off!

Pay-off depending on if she's really capable of handling the job!

Any recommendations on planning a new borns future?

Especially, if the new born if half Thai/half fanrang with no plans of moving/relocating to the USA

I'd even take recommendation of sending her to the states for her education, as she's an only child and money is not object (with in reason (standard USA College cost).

Mosquito2002[/QUOTE]Talk about thinking long term.

Maybe consider giving her a stable home environment with a bit of parental presence from yourself. Maybe consider having a go at settling down with her mother, and putting the money spent on whoring to a higher purpose.

For kids, time is more important than money, although probably more of a sacrifice for you. For what it's worth, my opinion is if you're not thinking of sticking around then you should dump as much money on her mother now as it takes to assuage your guilt and clear out. Let the parent who's prepared to put in the hard yards decide.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]Have a 8 month old, Thai / Farang daughter that is 8 months old.[/QUOTE]

8 months and you are planning for her education, that's dedication and devotion to your child. I'd vote for you as Father of the year


[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]
Any recommendations on planning a new borns future??
Especially, if the new born if half Thai/half fanrang with no plans of moving/relocating to the U.S..
I'd even take recommendation of sending her to the states for her education, as she's an only child and money is not object (with in reason (standard U.S. college cost).[/QUOTE]

Since money is not an issue, send her to the U.S. Better opportunities for her before and after graduation.

[QUOTE=Barko]One thing is absolutely sure, for me personally, if I didn't speak Thai, and know how to spin the Thais in the direction where [b]I[/b] want them to go, (smiling, talking story, buying coffee & doughnuts, acting completely at ease in a super tense situation) I would be in a freaking Betong jail cell today instead of hanging out on Kata Beach on an incredibly beautiful breezy day with a bunch of ice cold sliced pineapple, my laptop, and a fresh coconut with a straw sticking out.[/QUOTE]

Wow! An 87 word sentence. *clap* *clap* Are you German?

So would you be in jail in Betong, Thailand or Betong, Malaysia?

[quote=mosquito2002]have a 8 month old, thai / farang daughter that is 8 months old.

honestly, all i'm concerned about is her education and long term prospects.

i'm fairly well so, don't care how much it cost for her education.....what are my options???

then, after her education what would i require to ensure her future employment.

understand the primilary education is cheap (by western standards), i'm just looking for the $$$$$ that'll be required to ensure she gets a good paying job aftrer her education!!! right not i'm planning on a 1-2 million baht pay-off!!

pay-off depending on if she's really capable of handling the job!!!

any recommendations on planning a new borns future??

especially, if the new born if half thai/half fanrang with no plans of moving/relocating to the u.s..

i'd even take recommendation of sending her to the states for her education, as she's an only child and money is not object (with in reason (standard u.s. college cost).

mosquito2002[/quote]i have been thinking about this a lot recent as i am thinking about having one with my thai girl. here are my thoughts.

- 0-2yr : the mom's parents up north
2yr-5yr: with me, but taking care of by a nanny/maid ( hiring the aunt to do this)
5yr-15yr: international school in bkk
15yr-22yr: hs in usa and college in one of the ivy university. ( stanford is my goal, but i will settle for havard, mit, john hopkins)
22yr-25yr- post grad studies in usa resulting in phd

to prep for her, i would hire the best tutor in from chinatown to teach her chinese ( they will be a major player in the next 10-50 years).

i will hire the best sat prep tutor when she is 8 yrs old to tutor writing and vocab, read comprehension.

i will hire a tutor to teach her speed reading ( this will help her with advance studies) and basic computer science ( web designs and applications, java, api etc. ) ( she will grow up in a world dominated by computers)

i will have her attend some type of martial arts from the age of 10yr up. she will attain a black belt by the time she gets to hs.

she will be a girl scout and learn nature.

she will attend swimming classes.

in addition to being fluent in thai, english, and chinese, i'd want her to study russian, and spanish to some degree.

she will volunteer to help the poor a few week out of the year to keep on grounded and to remove the sense of entitlement.

she will plant rice with the farmers up north each planting season growing up.

i am sure i miss something. overall, i would want a child who knows that with money there is service to help the less fortunate. and to look at the world from the eye of a child who is modest and not a spoiled brat who gets everything handed to on a silver platter as many younger thais from rich family do. she will know how the other have live not by watching stupid thai soaps but by actually being here and doing the dirty but necessary work.

[QUOTE=MauiDude]This is for the guy with the questions about lady boys in Thailand.

The problem with ladyboys is that there is a history of them putting a drug on their nipples and when you suck the nipple you then passed out and they rob you. They also have been robbing guys in various ways like drug their drink etc.

So be very careful.

Some hotels let you bring them in and if you do its good if they show id.

There has been problems with them still acting agressive and even many pickpockets that are lady boys.

Another problem is that if you are drinking you may not know that its a ladyboy?

I am returning to Bangkok and want to know where the best bars are for real girl on girl action.

I am bringing my filipina with me and she wants to get up and lick real pussy. Its only been a year since I have been there but I hear things change a bit and I may have missed something since I usually travelled alone there.

Is gullivers better or worse?[/QUOTE]
I dont know where to begin. Where do you get your info? Well I have friends that have this going-with-ladyboys-thing on their mind when going out in LOS. Never heard anything about what you describe, from them. What I do hear sometimes is that freebies tries to drug the farang and then rob him. But this is in general, not only with Ladyboys.
Try the Patts daily, and do some reading, or travel more, before you post!

[quote=primo bolan]i dont know where to begin. where do you get your info? well i have friends that have this going-with-ladyboys-thing on their mind when going out in los. never heard anything about what you describe, from them. what i do hear sometimes is that freebies tries to drug the farang and then rob him. but this is in general, not only with ladyboys.

try the patts daily, and do some reading, or travel more, before you post![/quote]
[url]http://thailand.baronbonk.com/date_rape_drugs.shtml[/url]

[quote]date [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] drugs

i have said it before but it keeps coming up; and all too often it is thailand regulars who get caught. beware the so called date [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] drugs. they are being used daily in bangkok and, i believe, also in pattaya.

despite their name, the drugs are principally being used to facilitate robbery. they make you malleable and drowsy but still able to be moved (walked). so a person who has been drugged will generally just appear to be drunk.

sometimes the drugs will cause you to give up information, such as pin numbers etc. at the very least, your hotel room, or apartment, will be cleaned out.

one description of the drugs reads: “ the drugs often have no colour, smell or taste and are easily added to flavored drinks without the victim's knowledge. there are at least three date [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] drugs ……… the drugs can affect you quickly. the length of time that the effects last varies. it depends on how much of the drug is taken and if the drug is mixed with other substances, like alcohol. alcohol can worsen the drug's effects and can cause more health problems. ”

i know of two people who have been drugged in the area around the nana hotel: one in the bar, we think, and one outside. the area immediately outside nana plaza and the hotel car park is truly full of thieves, child pickpockets, dishonest katoeys and criminally minded mangdas.

be careful out there. don't drink from open vessels (glasses) in late outside bars, buy a bottle, make certain you see it opened and then keep it with you.

a man and his wife were drugged in an outside bar near soi 7/1. they later woke up outside a hotel high up sukhumvit, without their gold and money.

in pattaya a while ago there was talk that katoeys put the drug on their nipples, thus disproving the old adage that one of the most useless things in the world is tits on a bull!

apart from wariness additional protection is to make certain any place you stay insists upon taking the id of late night visitors. i know many do not like it but it is in your interest.

similarly, wearing a lot of gold in public will attract the attention of the criminal element, as will flashing money, so be discreet out there.

needless to say paying bar should protect you from these problems: saving that bar fine can be very expensive!

i can't stress enough that the people i know to whom this happened are worldly wise, have been to thailand regularly or live here. they are not idiots. this can happen to anybody, so take care. ![/quote]

[quote=pinkpearl][url]http://thailand.baronbonk.com/date_rape_drugs.shtml[/url][/quote]you did find something on the web. so what? does it mean anything to you?

Visiting BKK, next week. This 'll be my first time there. Wud like to see some action too. But I'll be wid my wife so looking for a middle label decent hotel near good action spot. Help.

Thanks in advance

"
The problem with ladyboys is that there is a history of them putting a drug on their nipples and when you suck the nipple you then passed out and they rob you."

just as a technical thing , how do they put this drug on thier body and not be affected themselves ?

Not saying it does not happen but if its so powerfull you would think it would go thru thier skin too.

Bk

[QUOTE=BKK Dreaming]"
The problem with ladyboys is that there is a history of them putting a drug on their nipples and when you suck the nipple you then passed out and they rob you."

just as a technical thing , how do they put this drug on thier body and not be affected themselves ?

Not saying it does not happen but if its so powerfull you would think it would go thru thier skin too.

Bk[/QUOTE]
Maybe they use somekind of barrier type vaseline and then they put on the Upjohn.

PB

Robbery is always a potential problem.

Sometimes its from drinking too much and then you are a victim of opportunity.

I have been walking down sumkumvit late at night and its been the lady boys that have tried to pick my wallet and pocket. In Bangkok. If I had been drunk then I would have been an easy target but I was aware of what they were doing.

It was the kids in cebu and manila, Philippines.

The information I get is from the Bangkok newspaper and hanging out and the police looking for suspects in robberies.

I read the Bangkok news when I am there, and I talk to people and I observe behavior.

It happens also in usa. Its not a really big problem but still something to be aware of and on guard.

I have been living in the Philippines and there is a lot of crime going on that is unreported and also in the newspaper.

I do not know exactly how they do it but I have also been approached by women that want me to go somewhere with them and it just feels wrong due to the story they tell me about going to a different part of town to meet and talk to someone that wants information about where I come from.

Most of the guys that are travelling and into this hobby know what the dangers are and the reason I wrote was because of a question in this forum.

There are drugs that are absorbed through the skin and some have to be ingested to be effective.

It is possible that the drug is put in a glass or in a drink and not on the nipple?

I had a thai girlfriend that was robbed three times in one year.

Fortunately for us tourist we are relatively safe if we exercise some caution. Also I am well aware that robbery and scams are not just exclusive to any one type of person.

I am sure if a guy wants to find quality ladyboy? Whatever your definition you can find some honest ones?

In the Philippines I know many scams by many real women and lady boys. I do not hang out with the lady boys but try to keep up with the situations that are in my neighborhood and areas where I go right now I am fucked out by three great filipina girls. So if my writing here is without clarity its just I am tired.

Hope to be back in Bangkok this July with my number one filipina girl and she loves girls as much as I do.

I do not understand the part about do some reading and travel more before you post?

What is up with that. \? If I waited to post till I knew all the answers I would never post.

As with any information its like take what you can use and forget the rest.

I do lots of reading and internet research on places I travel to.

And I appreciate this forum to get information and sometimes I just want to give my 2 cents worth of information.

And yes sometimes all information is loaded with misinformation. But if it helps in anyway to find more information then why not?

So if I post something and someone has better or more information then please post any information and I will check it out and if its useful then I will use it? If its not useful then thanks for the effort.

I have limited expierence of being in Thailand over a period of three years spending maybe five months or more a year there. And its been over a year since I have last been there.

I spent a lot of time at nana. And was there when the police were rounding up lots of lady boys. Of course I was curious about what the police were doing and started asking questions and reading. I saw several lady boys hiding from the police. And several were taken away by the police.

I was fairly new to the Bangkok area at the time and for all I knew it was illegal to be a katoy ?

But with reading the news and other people sources including the police I did find out there was a problem with several foreign visitors being drugged and robbed by lady boys. Now unknown to me if this is a continuing problem and like most problems I have no idea what percentage of the lady boys were involved?

Since that time I have also been robbed by the police through extortion and I have had a few friends thrown in jail by the police because they did not pay the extortion. This is both in Thailand and in Philippines.

Okay so lets get back to where the best girls are and the best deals for the hobbyist and the visitor looking for pussy,

Like what is the latest about patpong? And where are the best areas to go for pussy/

I have always like the nana area and soi cowboy.

What is the current pricing and tipping expectations? .

And yes I get confused because I am in many different countries and have very little blood flow in my upper head.

I am sure I am missing something else?

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]15yr-22yr: HS in USA and college in one of the IVY university. ( stanford is my goal, but I will settle for Havard, MIT, John Hopkins)[/QUOTE]

With all due respect, Stanford, MIT, and Johns Hopkins do not fall within the Ivy League category. This notwithstanding, they are outstanding, top of the first-tier national Research I universities. You may desire to consider first-tier national liberal arts colleges as well, such as Swarthmore, Smith, Grinnell, and the like.

my last trip in bkk was 1st week of april (i go in bkk 4 times a year since 2 years for 1 week stay).

began with some st, going in beergarden (catch bee, see report and pics previous report), get some other girls in the street bar late in the night, going to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s, sol and eden club.

the 3rd day, i was having a drink in the afternoon outside new wave soi 7, looking at people and girls.

a small group of girls was seating not far from me, eating as usual, making up for the night, etc.

one of them, named may, was looking a lot to me but seemed not very shy but not pushy at all.

she began to speak to me, usual question, what are you doing, how long do you stay, etc.

we decided to go to my room, never asking how long, never speak about money

very good sex party, very nice body, very gfe.

she has 2 girls, she supports only her daughters and sometimes help brother and parents.

i (we? ) fall like in love, we stayed together 6 days till the end of my holidays, we did a lot of things, shopping, bars, pool bar, spice club, restaurants, meeting her friends. etc.

i felt like to be integrated to her life and her surroundings, every girl in soi 7 and soi 5 was knowing me as her farang bf, very kind with me when i was alone (when she was going to see her daughters 2 hours every 2 days).

a very good moment that put me deep in bg lifestyle and way of living. i felt like i was living there for a long time.

i repeat i spend very very good time with her.

if i was not married, i would think of keeping her but.

she is very lucid, saying me she can not wait for me, need to work, doing what she has to do (and what she wants to do, because as she said, it’s not a willing but a need to do what she do), she said always to me she is a bad girl (for me, she is a really good girl but doing a bad girl work);

she well sees the things, knowing living together is impossible, can not wait for me, never speaking about future because she said she can not know how tomorrow will be she said to me we will stay friend and stay in contact and meet each other maybe one day. our life are to different to be together one day

she scared me telling me what kind of guy she met and what some of them were treating her.

at the end, i had to go back home, but we stayed in contact by email, phone or sms about every 2 days till today. sometimes i was regretting to have not done more with other girls and stayed too long and exclusively with her but it was so great with her.

i precise i gave her some money and buy a lot of things but she never ask me any amount, always thanking me a lot when i pay present or give money at the end of my stay.

since my departure (it was just before the last evenements in april), she told me that bkk is very quite, nobody there, nothing to do and. no chance winning money; she said a friend of her wants to go to singapore to try better business, she planned to go there in may 20th.

i try to persuade her to stay in bkk till my next trip (june 15th for 1 week) and go later in singapore if she wants. i promise her to give money but she never ask me for.

last week, she was still in bkk, and doesn’t know when she leave. i have to say i was hoping she stay till my arrival.(selfish)

but today. breakdown! she call me to say she is leaving tonight and she is so sorry not waiting for me. i tried to keep her in bkk but decision was taken and i imagine she called me at the last moment for not changing her mind

i am so sad and disappointed; i am just near to cancel my next trip planned in 2 weeks.

i hope i will have some news of her, she promise me to give me some and call me when she come back in bkk but she thinks it will not be before 1 or 2 months. she said to me to enjoy my next holidays and hope to see me one day.

i have now to make some new plans for my next stay: eden, tulip, sol. and bg like her.

it is too much new to feel good with my next trip but i think i will go there and enjoy bkk life as usual but i am afraid i will always think of her when i will go in places we used to go together.

but, i know when i will be there i will enjoy and maybe if i was with her, i will regret one day to refrain from going with other girl and having good time. maybe i would be cut in 2. now, things are clear, i will have no regret and i hope i will see her in a few months.

i have to say that i hope she will not feel good in singapore and she will come back earlier (when she know i am in bkk and able to help her); but if not, i will have good time.

what do think of that? am i under tg hypnotism? am i a smooth heart? did you live same experience?

i must apology for 2 things:

-english is not my native language so i hope you will understand how i feel.

-very long and maybe not clear post, but i really needed to write this (like a therapy)

fred

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[QUOTE=Professor 1]With all due respect, Stanford, MIT, and Johns Hopkins do not fall within the Ivy League category. This notwithstanding, they are outstanding, top of the first-tier national Research I universities. You may desire to consider first-tier national liberal arts colleges as well, such as Swarthmore, Smith, Grinnell, and the like.[/QUOTE]Maybe Stanford and MIT aren't technically Ivy League schools, but they are more difficult to get into than "most" of the Ivies....with perhaps the exception of Harvard or Yale.

[QUOTE=james707]Visiting BKK, next week. This 'll be my first time there. Wud like to see some action too. But I'll be wid my wife so looking for a middle label decent hotel near good action spot. Help.

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]Nana Hotel on Soi 4 is about as close to the action as you can get.

A search in the Bangkok Hotels thread will give more info about it, so you can decide whether or not it suits you.

If you miss her so much, why not take a few days and go to Singapore to see her. If she is working in the day time, you can see her after work.

[QUOTE=Fredlena]What do think of that? Am I under TG hypnotism? Am I a smooth heart? Did you live same experience?
[/QUOTE]

Yes, yes and no.

Forget about her, there are hundreds just like her in all of Bangkok.
No, this never happened to me because in a P4P situation, I like that things are clear: I pay for sex, not a relationship.
If the girl is nice and very attentive, it's a bonus but I usually don't repeat often to avoid getting too comfortable with 1 girl.

Just try some other ones ;)

[QUOTE=Csun213]If you miss her so much, why not take a few days and go to Singapore to see her. If she is working in the day time, you can see her after work.[/QUOTE]Yes, I thought about doing that but I ask her to give me a way to contact her in Singapore and even tell her I would like to go andsee her.

She repplies me she don't where she will be, don't know if she will have a phone or be able to get internet.

Am I beggining to open eyes or maybe she don't want me to see her "at work"? Or she wants to cut relation because she knows we can not ahave future together and want to keep chance to find an husband?

Fred

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Yes, yes and no.

Forget about her, there are hundreds just like her in all of Bangkok.

No, this never happened to me because in a P4P situation, I like that things are clear: I pay for sex, not a relationship.

If the girl is nice and very attentive, it's a bonus but I usually don't repeat often to avoid getting too comfortable with 1 girl.

Just try some other ones ;)[/QUOTE]Thank you

Maybe I felt comfortable with her because we never speak about money (but I gave some); next time I will be clear, speak about money (because girl is with me for money).

I think I have to be a little more rude, remembering I am with a girl in P4P situation and just think about my pleasure.

I will try to forget about her and have good time, even if I think I will try to see her again in the future (for relationship)

My therapy is begginning, thank you

Fred

Maybe best to try what Nic suggests and see if you dont feel better after. ;)

I personally do not repeat very often for same reasons. Life is good..

break you heart!

sounds like you need to.

these girls fuck men for money. they want money. they all dream about finding a sponser, someone willing to give her money on a regular basis so she can pick and choose other customers and not be desperate.

presently she is playing with you.

not asking for anything, but letting you know if she has no money, she has to work and you might not be able to see her.

these are the dangerous ones.

make a choice.

either forget her and move on.

or realise its "pay 4 play" and you will only pay when you play. let her know that she can go work and you will find someone else. simply tell her "ok, have a good time in singapore and might see you if you are back, if not then maybe next year".

this will let her know where she stands. she can choose to be a long term friend with you, or she will forget you and move to find a real mug punter willing to sponser her.

[quote=fredlena]my last trip in bkk was 1st week of april (i go in bkk 4 times a year since 2 years for 1 week stay).

began with some st, going in beergarden (catch bee, see report and pics previous report), get some other girls in the street bar late in the night, going to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s, sol and eden club.

the 3rd day, i was having a drink in the afternoon outside new wave soi 7, looking at people and girls.

a small group of girls was seating not far from me, eating as usual, making up for the night, etc.

one of them, named may, was looking a lot to me but seemed not very shy but not pushy at all.

she began to speak to me, usual question, what are you doing, how long do you stay, etc.

we decided to go to my room, never asking how long, never speak about money

very good sex party, very nice body, very gfe.

she has 2 girls, she supports only her daughters and sometimes help brother and parents.

i (we? ) fall like in love, we stayed together 6 days till the end of my holidays, we did a lot of things, shopping, bars, pool bar, spice club, restaurants, meeting her friends. etc.

i felt like to be integrated to her life and her surroundings, every girl in soi 7 and soi 5 was knowing me as her farang bf, very kind with me when i was alone (when she was going to see her daughters 2 hours every 2 days).

a very good moment that put me deep in bg lifestyle and way of living. i felt like i was living there for a long time.

i repeat i spend very very good time with her.

if i was not married, i would think of keeping her but.

she is very lucid, saying me she can not wait for me, need to work, doing what she has to do (and what she wants to do, because as she said, it’s not a willing but a need to do what she do), she said always to me she is a bad girl (for me, she is a really good girl but doing a bad girl work);

she well sees the things, knowing living together is impossible, can not wait for me, never speaking about future because she said she can not know how tomorrow will be she said to me we will stay friend and stay in contact and meet each other maybe one day. our life are to different to be together one day

she scared me telling me what kind of guy she met and what some of them were treating her.

at the end, i had to go back home, but we stayed in contact by email, phone or sms about every 2 days till today. sometimes i was regretting to have not done more with other girls and stayed too long and exclusively with her but it was so great with her.

i precise i gave her some money and buy a lot of things but she never ask me any amount, always thanking me a lot when i pay present or give money at the end of my stay.

since my departure (it was just before the last evenements in april), she told me that bkk is very quite, nobody there, nothing to do and. no chance winning money; she said a friend of her wants to go to singapore to try better business, she planned to go there in may 20th.

i try to persuade her to stay in bkk till my next trip (june 15th for 1 week) and go later in singapore if she wants. i promise her to give money but she never ask me for.

last week, she was still in bkk, and doesn’t know when she leave. i have to say i was hoping she stay till my arrival.(selfish)

but today. breakdown! she call me to say she is leaving tonight and she is so sorry not waiting for me. i tried to keep her in bkk but decision was taken and i imagine she called me at the last moment for not changing her mind

i am so sad and disappointed; i am just near to cancel my next trip planned in 2 weeks.

i hope i will have some news of her, she promise me to give me some and call me when she come back in bkk but she thinks it will not be before 1 or 2 months. she said to me to enjoy my next holidays and hope to see me one day.

i have now to make some new plans for my next stay: eden, tulip, sol. and bg like her.

it is too much new to feel good with my next trip but i think i will go there and enjoy bkk life as usual but i am afraid i will always think of her when i will go in places we used to go together.

but, i know when i will be there i will enjoy and maybe if i was with her, i will regret one day to refrain from going with other girl and having good time. maybe i would be cut in 2. now, things are clear, i will have no regret and i hope i will see her in a few months.

i have to say that i hope she will not feel good in singapore and she will come back earlier (when she know i am in bkk and able to help her); but if not, i will have good time.

what do think of that? am i under tg hypnotism? am i a smooth heart? did you live same experience?

i must apology for 2 things:

-english is not my native language so i hope you will understand how i feel.

-very long and maybe not clear post, but i really needed to write this (like a therapy)

fred

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AndyBKK,

Good planning but it's nice one has money but you forgot something for your kid? Are you going to pick who your son or daughter is going to marry?

Mosquito2002, on a more serious note. Just like myself you have a child with due citizenship. The difference between you and me is that you have the bucks. When it comes to education I just knew sooner or later you are going to need this guys regardless of how negative many of you feel about his views. I highly suggest you contact " OldThaiHand " about the education system and what type of school there are in Thailand that would meet your goals.

You have also been criticized for not maybe spending time with her which is true and 100% important. But since your wife is Thai, personally I think where she comes from and what type of mother she is going to be is so very important but only you can answer that! If your wife isn't a hands on wife and mother and you don't plan on being around and she is going to be one of those rich little girls being care for by others like in the Thai soap's then you want to consider sending her away to the states to a top private boarding school to give her the best education possible. When you contact OTH, and find out your options on education in Thailand that would be a start. Regardless, in the end if you want to send her to a top school in the U.S. you better make sure whatever school credits in Thailand are going to be excepted in the U.S. colleges without her having to backtrack.

Go to the Thai Women Opinion etc... that where OTH, hangs out the most..

For myself, I'm limited in funds so my son will grow up in Thailand and the best I can hope for is that he grows up to be a good kid with ethics, values and honest and not afraid to work hard like his Papa.

Good luck, LBM

Ok,

Seems there are some guys here falling deep into the pussy trap.

The Pro has hit the nail on the head, don't confuse sex workers with girlfriends. Ok, some (the smart ones) they may not ask directly for cash, they know we have hearts though and so it pains us to hear of their struggle etc etc etc. What do we do, give them money anyway and feel good that it was our choice and that they did not ASK for it.

These are the dangerous ones, when you drop your guard and they get under your skin.

Guys, go to Thailand, have fun, treat the girls well, don't be rude, arrogant or any other form of a ****, but enjoy the experience for what it is. Beautiful girls who know how to make you feel good, feel special. In the end, give them some cash, you go home and they find the next 'mark'. Everyone wins.

Do NOT, come home and PINE about a bargirl who is calling you between sessions of sucking cock for money.

Now this may be over simplified and I'm sure there are a few exceptions (although not around sukhumvit, patpong, nana cowboy, Pattaya, phuket etc), but if it helps, try and remember this phrase. "Good Thai Women Fall For Good Thai Men".

Peace,

Pompoy

Mosquito: I sympathise with your situation but, really, why would you ask a question about the proper upbringing of your child on a board dedicated to ***prostitution***.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]Have a 8 month old, Thai / Farang daughter that is 8 months old.

Honestly, all I'm concerned about is her education and long term prospects.

I'm fairly well so, don't care how much it cost for her education.....what are my options???

Then, after her education what would I require to ensure her future employment.

Understand the primilary education is cheap (by Western Standards), I'm just looking for the $$$$$ that'll be required to ensure she gets a good paying job aftrer her education!!! Right not I'm planning on a 1-2 million baht pay-off!!

Pay-off depending on if she's really capable of handling the job!!!

Any recommendations on planning a new borns future??
Especially, if the new born if half Thai/half fanrang with no plans of moving/relocating to the U.S..
I'd even take recommendation of sending her to the states for her education, as she's an only child and money is not object (with in reason (standard U.S. college cost).




Mosquito2002[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nocal]Maybe best to try what Nic suggests and see if you dont feel better after. ;)

I personally do not repeat very often for same reasons. Life is good..[/QUOTE]
I think many, if not most of us have had similar experiences. Mine occurred when I was much younger and had not yet developed the same attitude expressed by Nic. These girls are, after all, human beings, and we react to their humanity when we meet those who are compassionate, fun, and apparently honest with us.

I think it's important though to recognize this for what it is: a one-off good time that was an opportunity to spend some quality moments with someone who, for whatever reason, touched you. There are many such moments in life and this was but one of them.

I'm older now, more interested in my own emotional survival and I've developed an attitude and approach that's more akin to Nic's. I enjoy the company if it's good, and the sex, if it's good, but I never forget that this is, au fond (at heart) a commercial situation.

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]I think many, if not most of us have had similar experiences. Mine occurred when I was much younger and had not yet developed the same attitude expressed by Nic. These girls are, after all, human beings, and we react to their humanity when we meet those who are compassionate, fun, and apparently honest with us.

I think it's important though to recognize this for what it is: a one-off good time that was an opportunity to spend some quality moments with someone who, for whatever reason, touched you. There are many such moments in life and this was but one of them.

I'm older now, more interested in my own emotional survival and I've developed an attitude and approach that's more akin to Nic's. I enjoy the company if it's good, and the sex, if it's good, but I never forget that this is, au fond (at heart) a commercial situation.

GE[/QUOTE]

OH come on guys. Give the guy a break. I'm positive that if you've mongered enough, that we've all had a few girls that we clicked well with and that we keep in touch with that is more then a commercial transaction. I'm not talking about getting daily updates and such, but girls we see every now and then or when we are in town just for the good feelings and enjoyment.

Currently I have a few that I can ring up for just good sex, no money issues, just slip them some money to help them out if the want it, but money is never discussed and is not the issue, just good feeling and friendship. Hell there are four in BKK that I can call up and all four are married or with sponsors that will still get out and screw me for just old times sake and enjoyment and never take a baht, they even pay for the short time room or I go to their condo paid for by their sponsors / husbands ;) . I gotta love you sponsors out there, you make it so easy for some of us :D

And I'm sure most of you folks have the same thing. Even Nic, I'm sure the cold harted bastard that he is has a few girls that will SMS him at times that he'll jump on and hump every once in a while just for the sport of it :D

So what's the problem with the guy keeping in touch with her and enjoying her. Let her do her life and work the bar scene and such and he can still enjoy time with her when he's around. It sounds like she was very realistic to him and didn't play a massive game on him, he just needs not to fall head over heels and leave his family or life for her. Just enjoy her as a good sex friend and that's that.

EDIT: I never understood this not repeat thing. The best sex comes after the first few times. When you are more comfortable with each other and know what each other like. If it is good the first time go in for more and really enjoy it. And that leads to many freebie and out of work encounters if you repeat.

[QUOTE=Fredlena]Yes, I thought about doing that but I ask her to give me a way to contact her in Singapore and even tell her I would like to go andsee her.

She repplies me she don't where she will be, don't know if she will have a phone or be able to get internet.

Fred[/QUOTE]

We can tell you where you can find her in Singapore...maybe just browse on the relevant forum on Geylang and to see the locations
Good chances you bump into her..
Honestly..give yourself a kick and forget her

[QUOTE=Artful]Mosquito: I sympathise with your situation but, really, why would you ask a question about the proper upbringing of your child on a board dedicated to ***prostitution***.[/QUOTE]

To an ISG novice at first glance, your point would be understandable but to any regular 1SG viewer/contributor his question would be quite fitting. The conversations here sometimes explores real estate options, investments, marriage counseling, retirement options, medical and dental solutions, politics and a host of other real-world issues. Therefore, I'd say this board expands way beyond the narrow scope of only discussing prostitution and at times does provide some viable solutions to member's life queries.

[QUOTE=Bionicman]We can tell you where you can find her in Singapore...maybe just browse on the relevant forum on Geylang and to see the locations.

Good chances you bump into her.

Honestly..give yourself a kick and forget her[/QUOTE]After 2 days and reading post. I will not go to Singapore, give myself a kick, enjoy P4P in BKK, not stay to long with girl (even good in brain) except sex bomb. But not forget her, just keep her in my memory and maybe meet her again in the future when I will go to my usual spots. I will not run after her

Fred

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]OH come on guys. Give the guy a break. I'm positive that if you've mongered enough, that we've all had a few girls that we clicked well with and that we keep in touch with that is more then a commercial transaction. I'm not talking about getting daily updates and such, but girls we see every now and then or when we are in town just for the good feelings and enjoyment.

Currently I have a few that I can ring up for just good sex, no money issues, just slip them some money to help them out if the want it, but money is never discussed and is not the issue, just good feeling and friendship. Hell there are four in BKK that I can call up and all four are married or with sponsors that will still get out and screw me for just old times sake and enjoyment and never take a baht, they even pay for the short time room or I go to their condo paid for by their sponsors / husbands ;) . I gotta love you sponsors out there, you make it so easy for some of us :D

And I'm sure most of you folks have the same thing. Even Nic, I'm sure the cold harted bastard that he is has a few girls that will SMS him at times that he'll jump on and hump every once in a while just for the sport of it :D

So what's the problem with the guy keeping in touch with her and enjoying her. Let her do her life and work the bar scene and such and he can still enjoy time with her when he's around. It sounds like she was very realistic to him and didn't play a massive game on him, he just needs not to fall head over heels and leave his family or life for her. Just enjoy her as a good sex friend and that's that.

EDIT: I never understood this not repeat thing. The best sex comes after the first few times. When you are more comfortable with each other and know what each other like. If it is good the first time go in for more and really enjoy it. And that leads to many freebie and out of work encounters if you repeat.[/QUOTE]I keep her phone number, see her when she is in BKK, having sex and good time with her but not plan to leave my life and I confirm she is realistic and realy don't seem to play a lot with me. During 2 months, never ask for money, decided a long time ago to go to Singapore. When she said she's at the airport, I said her to stay and I send immediately money but she didn't say yes, she said no. I really think she is honnest with me but has to drive her life without any help of MR.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]I think many, if not most of us have had similar experiences. Mine occurred when I was much younger and had not yet developed the same attitude expressed by Nic. These girls are, after all, human beings, and we react to their humanity when we meet those who are compassionate, fun, and apparently honest with us.

I think it's important though to recognize this for what it is: a one-off good time that was an opportunity to spend some quality moments with someone who, for whatever reason, touched you. There are many such moments in life and this was but one of them.

I'm older now, more interested in my own emotional survival and I've developed an attitude and approach that's more akin to Nic's. I enjoy the company if it's good, and the sex, if it's good, but I never forget that this is, au fond (at heart) a commercial situation.

GE[/QUOTE]I am not so young but it's not the 1st time it happens to me;

But with the other girls I stayed with, they were asking money just a few days after my departure, with 'funny' reasons like loose her day regular job, or someone rob her money, or.

I see these girls sometimes but I also play with them, giving money but having lot of sex (and having for my money in average! )

This time seems different and it is now a real part of my life, I think I never forget that.

I will try to see her again but it will not be a target (it was 2 days ago, not now any more); she seems to be so a good girl that I would like to look after her just to be sure she is safe and have a decent life.

[QUOTE=The Pro]Break you heart!

Sounds like you need to.

These girls fuck men for money. They want money. They all dream about finding a sponser, someone willing to give her money on a regular basis so she can pick and choose other customers and not be desperate.

Presently she is playing with you.

Not asking for anything, but letting you know if she has no money, she has to work and you might not be able to see her.

These are the dangerous ones.

Make a choice.

Either forget her and move on.

Or realise its "pay 4 play" and you will only pay when you play. Let her know that she can go work and you will find someone else. Simply tell her "ok, have a good time in Singapore and might see you if you are back, if not then maybe next year".

This will let her know where she stands. She can choose to be a long term friend with you, or she will forget you and move to find a real mug punter willing to sponser her.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your advice, seems to be god advices.

I will see if she try to contact me after her trip in Singapore (and back with money). If she contact me and not ask money. Maybe she wants to stay a long time friend and meet her again.

If I have no news, . She wants to forget me cause no future together and doesn't want to be broken heart (? )

If she ask for money just when she comes back telling me Singapore was not good for job. I will cut with her

[QUOTE=Nocal]Maybe best to try what Nic suggests and see if you dont feel better after. ;)

I personally do not repeat very often for same reasons. Life is good..[/QUOTE]That's what I will do!

Run Mann,

Well put, but there will always be those that pay their $19.95 and expect to travel down a narrow road.


LBM

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Even Nic, I'm sure the cold harted bastard that he is has a few girls that will SMS him at times that he'll jump on and hump every once in a while just for the sport of it :D [/quote]

Yes, I'll give you that... there are a few that SMS me from time to time BUT, I give them mi dick, not my heart.
You know I am more of a "Farang girl" type of guy so as far as I am concerned, you can take all the Thai pusy and leave me the rest :)

[quote]So what's the problem with the guy keeping in touch with her and enjoying her. Let her do her life and work the bar scene and such and he can still enjoy time with her when he's around. [/QUOTE]

But the biggest problem is that a lot of guys Fall in love with the girl.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]But the biggest problem is that a lot of guys Fall in love with the girl.[/QUOTE]

True, but most girls have a few favorite customers that they still like to be with for good feeling. They live their lives, we live ours and everyone is happy.

[QUOTE=The Pro]Break you heart!

Sounds like you need to.

These girls fuck men for money. They want money. They all dream about finding a sponser, someone willing to give her money on a regular basis so she can pick and choose other customers and not be desperate.

Presently she is playing with you.

Not asking for anything, but letting you know if she has no money, she has to work and you might not be able to see her.

These are the dangerous ones.

Make a choice.

Either forget her and move on.

Or realise its "pay 4 play" and you will only pay when you play. Let her know that she can go work and you will find someone else. Simply tell her "ok, have a good time in Singapore and might see you if you are back, if not then maybe next year".

This will let her know where she stands. She can choose to be a long term friend with you, or she will forget you and move to find a real mug punter willing to sponser her.[/QUOTE]

I second that Fred. From what you have writte someone can get the impression that she is a emotional vampire and you are her prey. There are those girls who feel that you are a jealous but good hearted guy. So, why not tell you some stories about bad customer and that she does the job to feed her children. Often it works that the customer than pay her a monthly fee and she promiss not more to work. He thinks he can keep her, or he thinks he can make life easier for her. She has money from maybe several sponsors and will most likely still work as prostitute. As she said, who knows what will be tomorrow?
So, whose lose in those games are the sponsor and all other men, because the sponsor spoil the market. Whose win are the girls, but they get spoiled. So, biggest mistake in the p4p area is the sponsorship, I would say.

Not sure if I am in the right spot to ask this question, but I was wondering if anyone had an experience to try to meet any gals off the [url]www.sexsearchcom.com[/url] site?

I joined up (the free membership section) and had a look but couldn't work out if the gals on the Thai/Philippines sites are genuine GF's in the making or FL's or camgals trying to hook up with any potential clients they can talk into accessing their online service?

trip log: days 1 and 2 (6.05.2009. 6.06.2009)

after a long day of flying, arrived in bkk around 12:30 am on saturday the 16th. due to a lot of prior planning, chatting and negotiating (mostly on adult friend finder), i had arranged for a very cute, young thai girl to meet me at the airport and escort me to my hotel. for those of you not dealing with customs, it was a breeze. just handed passport to agent who did not say a word, and five minutes later i am good to go. stopped by the bank to trade for some baht, and went to meet my escort. this made dealing with the taxi process much easier, and the first three hours in the room much more entertaining. i had to force her to take some taxi money, and she wants to bring her lesbian friend over next time. look for some pics of her at the photo gallery. gee, what is a monger to do?

to tell you a little about livingstone’s lodge and the staff and room: i arrived much later than anticipated, but was still greeted at the taxi with a smile and help bringing my bags in. i had arranged with guido earlier a nice rate on a junior suite due to the duration of my stay. i have yet had a chance to meet guido or giotto, but i am looking forward to that and meeting the lovely bar girls. the room is spacious, a large king size bed, nice dressers, tv, dvd player, mini bar, bathroom with double jacuzzi, shower and sink. very nice, a really good value. the lodge itself is located not far at all from a sky train terminal, and is very convenient to a near by 7/11, a few bars, soi cowboy and love teens.

after about a four hour nap, woke up and had a bite to eat. i decided to go and try to find a cell phone to use, and started walking around taking in the town. a really friendly malaysian gentleman stopped me to talk, turns out he has a sister moving to my home state to work as a nurse, so we have a nice dialogue. i tell him about my quest to find a cell phone, and he offers to show me to the local mega mall and help get a good phone at a fair price. we get on the bus and head to the mall, pick out a phone and he negotiates a great deal for me. he then shows me how to use the sky train, and i head back to the lodge. it’s great to know that even so far away from home there are still some true, genuine great people all over the world. for those curious, its just a simple nokia but works well. 950b for phone, 99 for dtac sim card.

at noon, i had scheduled a meeting with a fellow forum member, who i spent the day with learning the ropes of thailand and mongering. it was great to hear one on one the way things work and to be shown all the local hot spots. we went by several places to check out the girls, including edens, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] (almost got ganged by 20 workers in the alley, damn), and then went to several soapies, taking in the services of two of them. the first one was a so/so experience, the second was by far, the best soapie we have found and used so far which is hi-class. ([url]www.hi-classmassage.com[/url]) 2 hours is only 1700 baht for fishboal, 2100 for sideliners. the girls are all 7+ (several 9, one or two 10 in my book). the girl i had was excellent gfe, kissed all session, bbbj, i ate her pussy and plowed her until she was exhausted, then cuddled and came on her belly. i highly recommend #226, ooy. don't wear her out though, planning seeing her a lot we had visited most of the soaps in that area (huai khwang exit from subway) and most had 10-30 girls in fishbowl, some were cute, most 5-7 with occasional 8+. a few stood out, but at this lower rate, much larger selection, it was no contest. hi-class had easily 50 girls in the bowl and they were all contenders for my time and money.

after that, met up again and headed to soi cowboy, running into another fellow isg member. we went into suzie wong for some drinks, and two of us left with very sexy bar girls. nothing like watching sexy nude thai chicks to get the libido flowing again. we thought we explained our intentions of bringing them back to a room together and having some group fun, but they seemed not to get that message clearly, so the night was mostly a bust on that account. but, before we left the mamasan gave me a nice lapdance, felt me up and gave me some pretty forceful kisses and promised to set me up anytime i come back, just not sure if she means with her or a bar girl or not. just make sure if you plan on same room action the girls of a good understanding of what is going to happen, haha. my girl changed her lt price on me, so she wound up going home after st. whats on my plate today? who knows. i slept in until 3pm to catch up on jet lag. i have several cute girls from aff wanting to hook up, maybe i will call the cute arab chick. maybe go visit 226, might explore [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] or love teens. i am leaning to checking out edens. either way, will post a detailed report on each experience here just for you, and in doing so i hope i can help any future first time mongers in this city. when i first arrived, i was intemadated by getting around. just get a map and study it, you will soon find out its very easy to navigate with the trains and subway.

cheers,

jason tenn

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[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Currently I have a few that I can ring up for just good sex, no money issues, just slip them some money to help them out if the want it, but money is never discussed and is not the issue, just good feeling and friendship. Hell there are four in BKK that I can call up and all four are married or with sponsors that will still get out and screw me for just old times sake and enjoyment and never take a baht, they even pay for the short time room or I go to their condo paid for by their sponsors / husbands ;) . I gotta love you sponsors out there, you make it so easy for some of us :D [/QUOTE]I sure these girls are not all in love with Tansak but want a good time and a good fuck just like forum members do.

What's the big deal? They aren't going to leave the big sponsor unless find a better one.
A few girls don't need regular sex and can be faithful to a sponsor. But what percentage?

I think the big issue is that sponsors don't want to be supporting a girl's sponging Thai BF. Her immediate relatives is more than enough already.

Hi,

I'm looking for massage parlours where a girl could fuck me with a strap on dildo.
Is there any known place for this besides EDEN.

Thanks for your help.

I have booked my third trip in a row to spend NYE in Pattaya. My flight does not get into BKK until 11:45 PM, so I do not expect to get to the hotel until about 1AM, or a bit later. Currently, I am booked into The Landmark, but can change as their cancellation policy/process is easy, but figured staying in BKK was the easiest decision given my time of arrival.

Here's my question. What time does NEP stay open for business these days? I would really like to drop my bags in the room and head around the corner to find a thai gf for ST, but if they are closing things down at 2AM, that might be difficult if I encounter any delays in-transit. I know there are plenty of freelancers hanging around the Nana Hotel parking lot, but I prefer beer bar or go-go girls. What about the other smaller bars in the NEP vicinity; do they stay open later? What about Patpong or Soi Cowboy? Other options?

The reason I am asking is if it is going to be too much effort to make this happen, I might just stay out at the airport, get a good nights sleep and make my way to Pattaya in the morning.

While I am no stranger the Thailand scene, I would appreciate any advice others might have.

[QUOTE=LookingToSwing4]I have booked my third trip in a row to spend NYE in Pattaya. My flight does not get into BKK until 11:45 PM, so I do not expect to get to the hotel until about 1AM, or a bit later. Currently, I am booked into The Landmark, but can change as their cancellation policy/process is easy, but figured staying in BKK was the easiest decision given my time of arrival.

Here's my question. What time does NEP stay open for business these days? I would really like to drop my bags in the room and head around the corner to find a thai gf for ST, but if they are closing things down at 2AM, that might be difficult if I encounter any delays in-transit. I know there are plenty of freelancers hanging around the Nana Hotel parking lot, but I prefer beer bar or go-go girls. What about the other smaller bars in the NEP vicinity; do they stay open later? What about Patpong or Soi Cowboy? Other options?

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The bars in that area will close at 2am but the gaggle of chicks will hang around there for some time after that. Many Touts will be in the area offering to take you to late night clubs to find clean beautiful women. Personally after a long flight from JFK at that hour of the night, I would stay in my room and place an order to one of BKK many outcall massage shops to enjoy a relaxing massage with the happy ending of my choice.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]The bars in that area will close at 2am but the gaggle of chicks will hang around there for some time after that. Many Touts will be in the area offering to take you to late night clubs to find clean beautiful women. Personally after a long flight from JFK at that hour of the night, I would stay in my room and place an order to one of BKK many outcall massage shops to enjoy a relaxing massage with the happy ending of my choice.[/QUOTE]

That was definitely a thought, but I have never ordered room-service when in BKK. If I were to call, how quickly can they respond to my request? Any recommendations for reputible operators with HOT ladies who I can expect performance from? What about the same service to an airport hote. Any experience?

[QUOTE=LookingToSwing4]That was definitely a thought, but I have never ordered room-service when in BKK. If I were to call, how quickly can they respond to my request? Any recommendations for reputible operators with HOT ladies who I can expect performance from? What about the same service to an airport hote. Any experience?[/QUOTE]

Usually within 30 to 40 minutes, depending on traffic. Go to Bangkok tonight and look at the outcall massage section. Wonderland massage is excellent as well as Kornwan massage but their web site has been down for some time now so can't point out the girls to you. You tell them the kind of girl you want (be specific) and they are pretty good in meeting your requirements but be aware that some girls try to oversell themselves and their services. I have never been disappointed with the service and the mama san (if you can call her that) will actually call you after the session to conduct a customer service survey about your satisfaction with their services.

LookingToSwing4,

First I think when you said "NYE" you don't mean New York but mean New Years Eve!

Based on the time your are arriving it's either Northwest or Japan Airlines. I have arrived at this time a number of times through the years. In the past I make sure I sit near the exit door and once I'm out I do a quick walk Olympic style past everyone to the Immigration. Once through I get my bags, meter taxi to Nana Hotel, check into room and I'm back out by 1 or 1:15. Pretty of time to go across the street to NEP, and if you're alittle late you can watch outside NEP, and Nana parking lot. Don't see anything go down Sukhumvit opposite Landmark Hotel and check out all the freelancers. Check out Embassador Hotel disco downstairs or outside when it closes. Don't see anything continue down Sukhumvit down to Thermae's and even all the way to Soi Cowboy for freelancers.

You might even want to make a booking at Tulips to have someone meet you at your hotel. Now if you do mean New Year Eve, and I've never been to Bangkok on that day or time you might have problems with traffic. Now if you are planning NYE in Pattaya disregard.

Good luck, LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]LookingToSwing4,

First I think when you said "NYE" you don't mean New York but mean New Years Eve!

Based on the time your are arriving it's either Northwest or Japan Airlines. I have arrived at this time a number of times through the years. In the past I make sure I sit near the exit door and once I'm out I do a quick walk Olympic style past everyone to the Immigration. Once through I get my bags, meter taxi to Nana Hotel, check into room and I'm back out by 1 or 1:15. Pretty of time to go across the street to NEP, and if you're alittle late you can watch outside NEP, and Nana parking lot. Don't see anything go down Sukhumvit opposite Landmark Hotel and check out all the freelancers. Check out Embassador Hotel disco downstairs or outside when it closes. Don't see anything continue down Sukhumvit down to Thermae's and even all the way to Soi Cowboy for freelancers.

You might even want to make a booking at Tulips to have someone meet you at your hotel. Now if you do mean New Year Eve, and I've never been to Bangkok on that day or time you might have problems with traffic. Now if you are planning NYE in Pattaya disregard.

Good luck, LBM[/QUOTE]\

Yes...New Year's Eve weekend, but I arrive into BKK on 12/28 on United and am not expecting anything other than normal traffic for a Monday evening. I am in economy plus close to the exit and am not planning to check luggage, so I do expect to emerge from immigration fairly quickly. So maybe I should just take a chance and stick with the original plan and just see how it goes? The worst case scenario is that I will head back to the room after a few drinks and get some needed rest before heading to Pattaya the next day. I picked the Landmark because of its close to proximity to NEP so I could be out the door by 1:15 if all goes to planned and have a selection before closing time.

Thanks for the feedback and suggestions.

This is my first trip to Asia. I do most of my mongering in the Caribbean, so the Bangkok scene is very new to me. The Caribbean is laid-back and low pressure. Places like Campo Alegre in Curacao are more like resorts with extras. You kick back with a beer in a safe, protected environment and choose from 150 Latinas that each have their own room in a small village-like setting. No hassle, no hustle, no problems, no fears, no worries.

Bangkok seems like it is just the opposite, wild, crazy and chaotic. It will take some getting used to but I am really looking forward to it. I have learned a lot reading the forum but still have a couple of quick questions.

I arrive next Sat night at 11:40PM and I will be staying at the Narai on Silom. I expect to get there sometime after 1:00 AM. Will there be any action in that area at that time? Any possibility of finding a massage at that hour? Is everything open on Sundays?

I read that the bar at the Narai is open until 2am. If I am there before it closes, what are the chances of meeting a girl there, pro or non-pro?

I do know that the Narai has a joiner fee and I have no problem with that for an overnight guest. How do hotels handle a 2-3 hour massage/ST visit? Same fee? No fee?

Other than those questions, I think I have a fairly good idea of where I want to play on this trip. SOL, Annies, Eden and a few others are definitely on the short list. Of course Patpong will be my home turf (walking distance) but the skyway looks pretty easy to use to get to the other playgrounds.

Hopefully I won't be too much of an easy mark, even as a newbee. I consider myself an experienced traveler and not a casual tourist. I hang out in some pretty hard-core parts of places like Jamaica and have a pretty good bullcarp radar. It seems like it's the same dance, but with different music.

Of course the little head has a mind of it's own and it can be very persuasive. Fortunately, the big head only consumes water or diet coke while on the prowl so situational awareness won't be compromised.

I will post reports of my adventures as they happen.

pogo

[QUOTE=Pogostick]This is my first trip to Asia. I do most of my mongering in the Caribbean, so the Bangkok scene is very new to me. The Caribbean is laid-back and low pressure. Places like Campo Alegre in Curacao are more like resorts with extras. You kick back with a beer in a safe, protected environment and choose from 150 Latinas that each have their own room in a small village-like setting. No hassle, no hustle, no problems, no fears, no worries.[/QUOTE]Campo Alegre in Curacao sounds like a nice place to visit. Do you have any ISG reports that you can reference with more specific information?

[QUOTE=Pogostick]Bangkok seems like it is just the opposite, wild, crazy and chaotic. It will take some getting used to but I am really looking forward to it. I have learned a lot reading the forum but still have a couple of quick questions.[/QUOTE]Bangkok is actually a fairly easy going city once you get used to it (which can take time). There's a lot of fun to be had in places that are rarely mentioned on this forum, but that's something that comes with exploration. Silom Rd. traffic is bad during the day, but it is fairly quiet after 9 or 10 pm. Lots a of great places to eat in Silom (mostly on side sois), some very good day markets, and the of couse, infamous Patpong at night. Just remember: Do not take rides in tuk tuks unless just for joyride, and only take taxis that will turn the meter on [i]before you get in[/i] and close the door.

[QUOTE=Pogostick]I arrive next Sat night at 11:40PM and I will be staying at the Narai on Silom. I expect to get there sometime after 1:00 AM. Will there be any action in that area at that time? Any possibility of finding a massage at that hour? Is everything open on Sundays? [/QUOTE]It will be very quiet around the Narai at this time, spooky even. The massage shops close around here close at midnight or earlier (Happy, Lisa, etc). One of the guys at the hotel might know a close-by shop to call (for his cousin). If you feel like a walk, there will be a few beer bars open up on Patpong 2 that will have a few girls left. Some of them do not even show up until midnight. The go-go clubs close around 2am, but most of the "nice" ones will already be gone. I would recommend walking up Silom on Narai side of the street to Patpong Soi 2. Walk down Soi 2 past the Foodland store and look for the Cleo Beer Bar. It's a funky old spot right next to the Star of Light (SOL). Have a beer, watch the crazy late night scene for a little while, and you might meet a nice girl at the bar (not beautiful but friendly). There's a short time hotel back toward Silom just past the Foodland on the right (sorry, can't remember the name). If you don't feel like dealing with taking a girl ST or LT the first night you can check out the SOL. Better yet, do that right off the bat as they close around 2am. You can then have your beer at Cleo as it stays open 24/7. Watch out for ladyboys. :eek:

[QUOTE=Pogostick]I read that the bar at the Narai is open until 2am. If I am there before it closes, what are the chances of meeting a girl there, pro or non-pro?[/QUOTE]The Narai is a package tour hotel. When tourism is healthy, the buses line up deep out in front every morning. The bar? Maybe, but it's pretty quiet in Bangkok right now and that's fairly late. Might just be you and the bartender.

[QUOTE=Pogostick]I do know that the Narai has a joiner fee and I have no problem with that for an overnight guest. How do hotels handle a 2-3 hour massage/ST visit? Same fee? No fee?[/QUOTE]Narai might have a "go to" massage shop that delivers. They usually get a cut from the rate. Just ask someone who looks like they're smart (and speaks your language). Most of the time they just take the visiting MP's id card before escorting her to your room (maybe). I've had good luck with late night delivery from [i]Sabai Sabai Massage[/i] on Sukhumvit Soi 11. Not sure if a girl will come over to Silom from Suk, but usually the traffic is not too bad at 2am. Things are very slow right now and money is money. A delivery oil massage will cost about 1000 baht for the shop and the girl will ask for the moon and settle for 1500-2000 for FS.

[QUOTE=Pogostick]Other than those questions, I think I have a fairly good idea of where I want to play on this trip. SOL, Annies, Eden and a few others are definitely on the short list. Of course Patpong will be my home turf (walking distance) but the skyway looks pretty easy to use to get to the other playgrounds.[/QUOTE]Hey, SOL...you could go there right off the bat on the first night. The BTS has easy access to Nana and Soi Cowboy (Asoke Station). You can walk to Chong Nonsi station from Narai Hotel in 5 minutes or take a motorbike taxi in one. You'll want to return in a taxi if you pull a girl at Cowboy or Nana and plan on Narai for the night. Might be better to use a short term hotel near the mongering areas as you might not want the girl all night the first time. A lot of them will only go ST anyway. PB Hotel, anyone? I'd be careful about pulling girls from Patpong, (trust me, I know this first hand).

[QUOTE=Pogostick]Hopefully I won't be too much of an easy mark, even as a newbee. I consider myself an experienced traveler and not a casual tourist. I hang out in some pretty hard-core parts of places like Jamaica and have a pretty good bullcarp radar. It seems like it's the same dance, but with different music.[/QUOTE]If you a middle-aged white [i]farang[/i] you'll be invisible. ;) Just know that there are as many scams as there are people in Bangkok. If someone talks to you first, there's probably a scam coming. People in Bangkok can seem very sincere sometimes...[i]"welcome, you hansum man...[/i]

[QUOTE=Pogostick]Of course the little head has a mind of it's own and it can be very persuasive. Fortunately, the big head only consumes water or diet coke while on the prowl so situational awareness won't be compromised.[/QUOTE]Thai girls are masters at persuasion, so keep your antennae up. With luck you might find a nice one, but (with your wish list) it doesn't sound like you're looking for a GFE.

[QUOTE=Pogostick]I will post reports of my adventures as they happen.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it will interesting to hear what you do and what comes about!

Just divorced & back to mongering heading to Thailand next week have not been for several years is majestic hotel or majestic suites in Sukumvitt Gf also any recommendations for happy hour and or new clubs.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]Do not take rides in tuk tuks unless just for joyride, and only take taxis that will turn the meter on [i]before you get in[/i] and close the door.[/QUOTE]

I second that. I usually ask "pai XXX dai mai?" before i get in. If they agree I get in. If they don't turn on the meter within 5 seconds I get out. I very seldom have to get out, but I sometimes have to ask 3 or 4 taxis before I find one who will go where I want. Usually after asking 2 taxis I walk away from the waiting taxis and flag a moving one. These are usually OK to go wherever.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]I saw a few pretty girls at some of the Patpong go-gos recently, but they're a hardened bunch. I'd be careful about pulling girls from these places.[/QUOTE]

Always be careful, yes. But to be honest I've found Nana way more hardened than Patpong; at least, in Patpong with some scouting among the sharks I usually find some sweet girl, either new or just not doll-face beautiful, if I care to look around.

i haven't seen this one mentioned .. in a hidden corner between sol and foodland there's mike's place, a bar with a pool table. bj (800) or fj (1500) on premises, same setup with curtained couches as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s. my girl agreed to 700 for bj.

You are long way from late night action. Can you change your hotel?

[QUOTE=Pogostick]This is my first trip to Asia.
I arrive next Sat night at 11:40PM and I will be staying at the Narai on Silom. I expect to get there sometime after 1:00 AM. Will there be any action in that area at that time? Any possibility of finding a massage at that hour? Is everything open on Sundays?

I read that the bar at the Narai is open until 2am. If I am there before it closes, what are the chances of meeting a girl there, pro or non-pro?

I do know that the Narai has a joiner fee and I have no problem with that for an overnight guest. How do hotels handle a 2-3 hour massage/ST visit? Same fee? No fee?
pogo[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LookingToSwing4] . . . out the door by 1:15 if all goes to planned[/QUOTE]Planning to the minute 6 months+ in advance . . . wow!

Ok guys. I am going to BKK end of this month for 3 nites. I have read through most of the post and I have been there once 2 years back. However I could never find any place that provides a whole day booking for girls like Danok/Haadyai. Maybe I was not thorough enough. I heard Annie's have it but let's just say I prefer a Models / SYTs. Any assistance will be deeply appreciated.

[QUOTE=Big Nana]Just divorced & back to mongering heading to Thailand next week have not been for several years is majestic hotel or majestic suites in Sukumvitt Gf also any recommendations for happy hour and or new clubs.[/QUOTE]I've stayed at Majestic Suites and it is definitely GF and very close to the action. I've also stayed at Majestic Grande but didn't' bring anyone back. Seemed to be more families around but I would expect it to be safe. Citichic is also owned by same people and have stayed there several times and can report it is def GF as well.

Enjoy!

AF

[QUOTE=Bearsk]You are long way from late night action. Can you change your hotel?[/QUOTE]Yes better you stay in sukhumvitc and enjoy the street life.

Patpong Close 2am but Sukhumvit Street life till ealy morning.

Hi,

Any feedback as to whether Le Fenix hotel or Royal President apartments (Suk soi 15) charge joiner fees or give any hassle with girls.

Thanks!

I am back in th US now, but I would just like to thank you guys who responded to my requests for info on BBFS girls.

I guess I batted 1000 again this trip, to use an old American baseball euphemism! In the 11 nights I was in BKK, I barebacked 14 girls--3 "old friends" who I'd first barebacked on previous trips--but 11 new girls! 13 were BBFSTC (cum-in-pussy), and one BBFS with pullout and CIM/facial. Venues included NEP Carousel, Carnival, Erotica, Rainbow 4, and Playskool, Soi Cowboy's Deja Vu, Tony's, Sheeba, SOL at Patpong, and one Nana parking lot street girl. Ages ranged between 18 and 40, and included big tits, little tits, spinners, MILFs, and even one very cute young, horny pregnant girl! Sawadi krap, girls--all of you! I just love Thailand!

I also explored the Grace Hotel area, but none of the African girls would agree to BBFS. (I ALWAYS negotiate up front--the "secret" behind my 1000 batting average! ) The Russian girls did not want to even give me the time of day--I think they must pretty much restrict their clientele to the Arab gentlemen!

If any of you guys want to trade more detailed intel on BBFS girls, venues and adventures in Thailand as well as the pursuit of bare-cock-accepting pussy in other areas of the world, including the US, please shoot me a PM!

"I'd be careful about pulling girls from Patpong, (trust me, I know this first hand)."
Why? Speak to me!

PB

[QUOTE=Primo Bolan]"I'd be careful about pulling girls from Patpong, (trust me, I know this first hand)." Why? Speak to me! PB[/QUOTE]
Money & pain!

Oh, that old money and pain thing, Pat Pong Pain.

[QUOTE=Pulse]Hi,

Any feedback as to whether Le Fenix hotel or Royal President apartments (Suk soi 15) charge joiner fees or give any hassle with girls.

Thanks![/QUOTE]

Try to read the right forum, search the right forum, and ask in the right forum. There is a hotel thread.

But to answer you, Both hotels I've taken girls in no problem. You can find out more by going to the Bangkok Hotel Thread and searching these names.

Guys,

Anyone know where to get Viagra or Kamagra in BKK?

Which pharmacy offers it without a prescription?

What is current price?

Cheers,

Zero

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]Originally Posted by Fon Tok

Do not take rides in tuk tuks unless just for joyride, and only take taxis that will turn the meter on before you get in and close the door..[/QUOTE]Sometimes you have be careful even with the taxi-meters. Last night I was in Patpong and asked the cab to take me to Nana Plaza. This guy immediately started to recommend massage parlors, but after I declined he told me that the ride will cost me 400 BTH when the same trip in the opposite direction costed me 100 BTH! I just said that's too expensive.The guy claimed that is the "midnight charge". The problem: It was 8:30 pm. So I just smiled and walked away. Be wary of the pink Taxi-meters that are parked outside the Patpong area as they are there only waiting for naive tourists.

I am currently in BKK and last night I made an explorartion to Patpong. Well, alot have change to the worse since my last visit in November. It starts in the Silom road, the road isn't crowdy and no stalls with faked goods, or DVD's on the way to Patpong 2. So, on the one hand side comfortable to walk, except of the many touts whose are still there.
In Patpong 2 and 1 the business is very slow. In Patpong 1 there are still the night market with stall, but less faked watches and more other stuff like decoration, T-Shirts what ever.
The GoGo's are really down now. Visit a few and left immediatly. Only a few and ugly girls inside. Had a beer in Kings Castle 1 and usually this Bar and KC 2 has the best girls, but this time there were not one pretty girl.
So, I left were early with the subway to Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=DG69]I am currently in BKK and last night I made an explorartion to Patpong. Well, alot have change to the worse since my last visit in November. It starts in the Silom road, the road isn't crowdy and no stalls with faked goods, or DVD's on the way to Patpong 2. So, on the one hand side comfortable to walk, except of the many touts whose are still there.[/QUOTE]Monday night they don't have the full night market on Silom Rd.
[QUOTE=DG69]In Patpong 2 and 1 the business is very slow. In Patpong 1 there are still the night market with stall, but less faked watches and more other stuff like decoration, T-Shirts what ever.[/QUOTE]Ever since the government "business cops" raid back in April, there's less fake goods to buy. Very few tourists around this time of year, and very few people coming to Thailand these days.
[QUOTE=DG69]The GoGo's are really down now. Visit a few and left immediatly. Only a few and ugly girls inside. Had a beer in Kings Castle 1 and usually this Bar and KC 2 has the best girls, but this time there were not one pretty girl.[/QUOTE]One of my friends told me that a lot of girls are heading home to Isaan to help with rice-planting this year!
[QUOTE=DG69]So, I left were early with the subway to Soi Cowboy.[/QUOTE]Smart move. Patpong is dead. Just old hags and ladyboys :eek:, and SOL, of course.

[QUOTE=Tequila85]Sometimes you have be careful even with the taxi-meters. Last night I was in Patpong and asked the cab to take me to Nana Plaza. This guy immediately started to recommend massage parlors, but after I declined he told me that the ride will cost me 400 BTH when the same trip in the opposite direction costed me 100 BTH! I just said that's too expensive.The guy claimed that is the "midnight charge". The problem: It was 8:30 pm. So I just smiled and walked away. Be wary of the pink Taxi-meters that are parked outside the Patpong area as they are there only waiting for naive tourists.[/QUOTE]
Take a taxi that is driving by.

[QUOTE=Zerocoolbkk]Guys,

Anyone know where to get Viagra or Kamagra in BKK?

Which pharmacy offers it without a prescription?

What is current price?

Cheers,

Zero[/QUOTE]


First block west of Nana soi 4 on Sukhumvit next to that big pub (forget the name) with bull outside. Caverta etc. is 350 B for 4 tablets. This is the best pharmacy to get anything in BKK cheap.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Try to read the right forum, search the right forum, and ask in the right forum. There is a hotel thread.

But to answer you, Both hotels I've taken girls in no problem. You can find out more by going to the Bangkok Hotel Thread and searching these names.[/QUOTE]Tansak,

My humble apologies. I knew there was a hotel forum but had remembered it above the blue line rather than below. In my haste, I didn't look. Your feedback is all the more appreciated as I have followed this forum for many years and well know what RTFF means.

Thanks once again.

[QUOTE=Myx Tical]I sure these girls are not all in love with Tansak but want a good time and a good fuck just like forum members do.

What's the big deal? They aren't going to leave the big sponsor unless find a better one.
A few girls don't need regular sex and can be faithful to a sponsor. But what percentage?

I think the big issue is that sponsors don't want to be supporting a girl's sponging Thai BF. Her immediate relatives is more than enough already.[/QUOTE]And don't forget the sick buffalo that never seems to die.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]First block west of Nana soi 4 on Sukhumvit next to that big pub (forget the name) with bull outside. Caverta etc. is 350 B for 4 tablets. This is the best pharmacy to get anything in BKK cheap.[/QUOTE]

I think you mean Bully Pub and there are two drug stores in that block (essentially right next to each other). I think you mean the one closest to Bully Pub. But what's Caverta? I haven't heard of that (and I don't think you mean Kamagra).

GG

[QUOTE=Zerocoolbkk]Guys,

Anyone know where to get Viagra or Kamagra in BKK?

Which pharmacy offers it without a prescription?

What is current price?

Cheers,

Zero[/QUOTE]Try Sukhumvit Soi 11, 100 meters up, between Village Market and the bank. Private connects with India, (Pharma guy is a smart cookie.) Neighborhood locals all go here.

Kamagra, 300 Baht for four tab blister pack. Genuine Ajanta. Fresh; latest chemistry = no side effects. XLNT quality, always in stock. The guy turns over cases/week. Kamagra gel and Cialis available as well. Open Sunday

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]First block west of Nana soi 4 on Sukhumvit next to that big pub (forget the name) with bull outside. Caverta etc. Is 350 B for 4 tablets. This is the best pharmacy to get anything in BKK cheap.[/QUOTE] Caverta? Surely you jest OTH! Caverta is way DOA years ago with bad side effects. Nobody uses Caverta! You must be a lot younger than you look, heh. The name of the place you are referring to is "Bullys".

[QUOTE=Bangkok Banger]I am back in th US now, but I would just like to thank you guys who responded to my requests for info on BBFS girls.

I guess I batted 1000 again this trip, to use an old American baseball euphemism! In the 11 nights I was in BKK, I barebacked 14 girls--3 "old friends" who I'd first barebacked on previous trips--but 11 new girls! 13 were BBFSTC (cum-in-pussy), and one BBFS with pullout and CIM/facial. Venues included NEP Carousel, Carnival, Erotica, Rainbow 4, and Playskool, Soi Cowboy's Deja Vu, Tony's, Sheeba, SOL at Patpong, and one Nana parking lot street girl. Ages ranged between 18 and 40, and included big tits, little tits, spinners, MILFs, and even one very cute young, horny pregnant girl! Sawadi krap, girls--all of you! I just love Thailand!

I also explored the Grace Hotel area, but none of the African girls would agree to BBFS. (I ALWAYS negotiate up front--the "secret" behind my 1000 batting average! ) The Russian girls did not want to even give me the time of day--I think they must pretty much restrict their clientele to the Arab gentlemen!

If any of you guys want to trade more detailed intel on BBFS girls, venues and adventures in Thailand as well as the pursuit of bare-cock-accepting pussy in other areas of the world, including the US, please shoot me a PM![/QUOTE]Reminds me of that character on Sesame Street who also counts everything. I suppose the baseball reference gives a clue - you're a stats nut.

I notice you didn't give a number for how many times you had to produce your little certificates of cleanliness and infertility, or of what percentage of girls were impressed by your papers.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]One of my friends told me that a lot of girls are heading home to Isaan to help with rice-planting this year![/QUOTE]

I doubt. I guess the better looking ones move to Soi Cowboy, or NEP, or foreign countries like Dubai, Singapore, HK and the like. Others might took a holiday or go Freelancing, or to Pattaya. One of my Freelance contacts is now in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Great Guy]I think you mean Bully Pub and there are two drug stores in that block (essentially right next to each other). I think you mean the one closest to Bully Pub. But what's Caverta? I haven't heard of that (and I don't think you mean Kamagra).

GG[/QUOTE]

Well, I Followed the advice of a guy who post in this thread about a drug store in Soi 11.
The prices were 300 Bhat for generic Viagra (Kamagra), or 400 of the same with fruit tasts (what a waste).
Generic Cialis (Apcalis) is 800 Bhat, what sounds much for me. I thought I got it once cheaper in Pattaya, but I might be wrong.

I were today in the Amsterdam Massage Parlour and there were a Money Change in the same building. They had by far the best rate from what I have seen. Euro where everywere along the usual bank change offices along Sukhumvit between 46,9 to 47,10 or so. At this money Changer in Amsterdam MP it was 47,6 for 100 and 500 Euro bank notes.

[QUOTE=DG69]I were today in the Amsterdam Massage Parlour and there were a Money Change in the same building. They had by far the best rate from what I have seen. Euro where everywere along the usual bank change offices along Sukhumvit between 46,9 to 47,10 or so. At this money Changer in Amsterdam MP it was 47,6 for 100 and 500 Euro bank notes.[/QUOTE]
reasonable rate
these days the official rate swings between 48,1 to 47,49 as of now.
Depends also on the time of hte day and on what "official" rate you take into account.

[QUOTE=DG69]Well, I Followed the advice of a guy who post in this thread about a drug store in Soi 11.
The prices were 300 Bhat for generic Viagra (Kamagra), or 400 of the same with fruit tasts (what a waste).
Generic Cialis (Apcalis) is 800 Bhat, what sounds much for me. I thought I got it once cheaper in Pattaya, but I might be wrong.[/QUOTE]
My regular chemist when I 'm in BKK is near Suk soi 19. There is "Asia Books"? book store nearby. A box of Apcalis is 400B for 4 x 20mg. They may sell V or/and K as well.

Last weekend I was in BKK, and went to this place to buy some, there was a policeman inside, which I didn't realise until I had asked for it. I had to attenuate my voice, and asked the girl conscious of the fuzz listening in if I could buy it. She said no problemos. The reason for my behaviour is that I read a post somewhere in this forum that an old farang was caught by police when he was walking with a young thai gal. Police searched his bag and found V, which is I understand one of the prescription drugs in Thailand. He was obviouly an easy target as he was walking with a big "V" written on his forehead.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Take a taxi that is driving by.[/QUOTE]

Same advice is good for Soi Cowboy. The same drivers sit there night after night asking for ridiculous fares. You just walk past them to the street and wave a taxi down. Open the front door, "Livingstone's Lodge, Meter, Ok?" Next thing you know the meter is on, you, and hopefully a reasonably tasty tart, are inside the taxi and he's clueless as to where Livingstone's Lodge is. No worries, just sing him a tune of sukhumvit soi sam sip sam and you're off. Hopefully that is also where you wanted to go.

[QUOTE=Bangkok Banger]Ages ranged between 18 and 40, and included big tits, little tits, spinners, MILFs, and even one very cute young, horny pregnant girl! Sawadi krap, girls--all of you! I just love Thailand! [/quote]

Ok, where did you find the pregnant girl?!!

[QUOTE=Bangkok Banger]I also explored the Grace Hotel area, but none of the African girls would agree to BBFS. (I ALWAYS negotiate up front--the "secret" behind my 1000 batting average! ) The Russian girls did not want to even give me the time of day--I think they must pretty much restrict their clientele to the Arab gentlemen!
[/QUOTE]

I'm not interested in BB but am interested in your batting average. Did you find any/many TGs that said they wouldn't BB?

[QUOTE=Zerocoolbkk]Guys,

Anyone know where to get Viagra or Kamagra in BKK?

Which pharmacy offers it without a prescription?

What is current price?

Cheers,

Zero[/QUOTE]The gel is about 100 THB apiece, sometimes 6x500THB after a bit of haggling. I normally use the pharmacy between the police box at the Nana corner and the Landmark hotel (between a bunch of tailor shops, can't miss it). No hassling, knowledgeable girls, never got a dud. Apcalis was 600THB per box (4 pills), but I'm not sure it worked that well. Caverta around 400 THB per 4 pills, but just gave me an headache.

Of all three, the gel is what work best for me. Can proudly stand 90' of attack by these inoocent flowers at the eden club, with little side effects.

[QUOTE=Bionicman]reasonable rate
these days the official rate swings between 48,1 to 47,49 as of now.
Depends also on the time of hte day and on what "official" rate you take into account.[/QUOTE]

Well, since Monday the rate at the bank change boxes varies from 46,9 to 47,2 at best. The offical interchange rate between banks might be different.
Last Saturday I good a rate a the change box opposite Beergarden from over 48 Baht, but since then the rate lowers to around 47. The best rate since than were at said money changer at Amsterdam MP.

Thank you Joe Nailer, will try my luck there. I remembered that 800 Baht for Apcalis was way to high. So, lessons learned, buy that stuff at the drug store in Soi 19 and not Soi 11.

[QUOTE=Zerocoolbkk]Guys,

Anyone know where to get Viagra or Kamagra in BKK?

Which pharmacy offers it without a prescription?

What is current price?

Cheers,

Zero[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Zerocoolbkk]Guys,

Anyone know where to get Viagra or Kamagra in BKK?

Which pharmacy offers it without a prescription?

What is current price?

Cheers,

Zero[/QUOTE]The gel is about 100 THB apiece, sometimes 6x500THB after a bit of haggling. I normally use the pharmacy between the police box at the Nana corner and the Landmark hotel (between a bunch of tailor shops, can't miss it). No hassling, knowledgeable girls, never got a dud. Apcalis was 600THB per box (4 pills), but I'm not sure it worked that well. Caverta around 400 THB per 4 pills, but just gave me an headache.

Of all three, the gel is what work best for me. Can proudly stand 90' of attack by these inoocent flowers at the eden club, with little side effects.

Day 3 and 4

Sunday was my first real full day here. Slept in just a little bit and met up with my friend from ISG for lunch and spent the day going around seeing the sights. We decided after a bit of hunting that we would go to Edens club and then do a bit of hunting. Prior to go to Edens, I had decided I would like to go around and see if I could find some European woman that I liked. After checking a few of the lower class places, we went to Rajah’s hotel (near Na Na hotel on Soi 4) and discovered where the real good looking women are. I settled in on one and decided to come back later. So, off to Eden we go. After arriving and viewing the line up, there were really no stunning women that I wanted to be with, but we had seen the line up and I felt committed, so I picked one and she picked a friend and off we went. Granted, I did not have a real good time (was not attracted to the girls), the service was ok and would have been much better if I was into it. My friend however had an excellent time. I think overall it’s a great place, but YMMV as with any other location. I couldn’t get the cute little European off my mind, so I went back to haggle with her pimp. I got to talk to her alone for a few minutes, she is a beautiful Russian / Kassicstan <sp mix, but really stood out in the crowd (They had 25 Russian and about 25 other women of other European origins, all hot). I arranged after much debate for 10, 000 baht and got to keep her until 10 am, which was around 11 hours. We had a great time, initially she thought I was a Russian man, but was very excited that I am American, or just as excited I was not Thai. She says all of the woman complain about the size of Thai men and how fast they get off, so the love when someone else comes and takes them out, so they actually get to cum during sex? I generally go out of my way to make my woman feel good, as I feel that gives the ultimate level of service, so we took things slow and romantically. She loves to kiss, infact she nearly sucked my tongue out of my throat, loved DATY, infact the only thing she was not into was anal. We went for about 6 hours, spend some time in the Jacuzzi and lounging around. I am young, in shape, and love sex, and she wore me out asking for more. There are ways to see her without having to pay directly for her from her pimp, if you want I can give you her number, but I expect you to tip her well, she is worth it?

Unfortunately, sometime previous that day I guess I picked up a bug, and spent the rest of the time after taking her back and all day Monday on in bed/on the toilet until Tuesday night. You really do not want the details there, but back to myself Tues evening and meet with my friend and we head out to Hi Class again. Stopped by a few other soapies, but once again they had the best choice and girls. I picked another girl this time, 214, who looked much better clothed then nude. She did ok service, but had bad breath which was a real turn off. Really thick bush though, so if that is your thing, she would be fun. It seems like she had recently had a baby, no breast milk, but stretch marks on her boobs and pretty fresh scar. Really not too bad for 1700 bhat plus 500 tip. About to go to bed and finish my recovery from my illness, hopefully my libido will be back to full force for tomorrow.

For those who have not been to BKK before, there are a lot of excellent pharmacies, and the people working there are practically doctors. You can describe your symptoms and they will give you the proper medication. And, you can get just about anything prescription there over the counter, such as Viagra if you might need it. They are all over the place, but there is a great one near Na Na hotel, just walk out the door, down to the main street, and turn left. It’s about 50 yards on the left.

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[QUOTE=DG69]I were today in the Amsterdam Massage Parlour and there were a Money Change in the same building. They had by far the best rate from what I have seen. Euro where everywere along the usual bank change offices along Sukhumvit between 46,9 to 47,10 or so. At this money Changer in Amsterdam MP it was 47,6 for 100 and 500 Euro bank notes.[/QUOTE]It's the super rich money exchanger across from the central world in soi by the big C . Super rich is also one of the investor in Amsterdam. Always the rates in town

[QUOTE=Myx Tical]I sure these girls are not all in love with Tansak but want a good time and a good fuck just like forum members do.

What's the big deal? They aren't going to leave the big sponsor unless find a better one.
A few girls don't need regular sex and can be faithful to a sponsor. But what percentage?

I think the big issue is that sponsors don't want to be supporting a girl's sponging Thai BF. Her immediate relatives is more than enough already.[/QUOTE]

Who is talking love :D Love and fucking rarely mix IMHO. Most girls I know are with a guy who can PAY them and take care of them and their family but most of the guys can't fuck them silly or are away for so long the girls need to get off once in a while. The girls call their sponsors jai dee and they care for them and will be with them but they don't LOVE them.

So they are married or sponsored by other guys and go other places to get a good screw when they can. In fact some known girls at MP's who left work are still sniffing around for a screw when their sponsors are footing the bill.

These girls surely do not LOVE me and most think I am a bastard but we click well together and they can get off with me. Half the time I get SMS's telling me I'm a bastard and they hate me and the other times I get SMS's asking if we can meet. So who am I to complain about this arrangement?

I love sponsors. Keep it up folks. :D

[QUOTE=Bangkok Banger]

I also explored the Grace Hotel area, but none of the African girls would agree to BBFS. (I ALWAYS negotiate up front--the "secret" behind my 1000 batting average! ) The Russian girls did not want to even give me the time of day--I think they must pretty much restrict their clientele to the Arab gentlemen![/QUOTE]The Mike's Hotel has a bunch of Russian girls upstairs, just walk in and ask for Russian girls and you will be led upstairs where there are Russian girls waiting in rooms. The hotel is opposite the Grace Hotel on Suk. soi 3 at the entrance of the Hospital.

[QUOTE=Peraxx]The gel is about 100 THB apiece, sometimes 6x500THB after a bit of haggling. I normally use the pharmacy between the police box at the Nana corner and the Landmark hotel (between a bunch of tailor shops, can't miss it). No hassling, knowledgeable girls, never got a dud. Apcalis was 600THB per box (4 pills), but I'm not sure it worked that well. Caverta around 400 THB per 4 pills, but just gave me an headache.

Of all three, the gel is what work best for me. Can proudly stand 90' of attack by these inoocent flowers at the eden club, with little side effects.[/QUOTE]

there is a pharmacy just past soi 11s that sell the gel 16 for 1000thb, that is the best price that i have found.

[QUOTE=Zerocoolbkk]Guys,

Anyone know where to get Viagra or Kamagra in BKK?

Which pharmacy offers it without a prescription?

What is current price?

Cheers,

Zero[/QUOTE]Any of the pharmacies between the JW Marriot and NEP on Thanon Sukummvit will have it. But do not pay the 2000 Baht for the name brand 4-pack! The 300 Baht/4 pack generic from India is exactly the same stuff, just as safe, and it works just fine!

[QUOTE=Macheath]Reminds me of that character on Sesame Street who also counts everything. I suppose the baseball reference gives a clue - you're a stats nut.

I notice you didn't give a number for how many times you had to produce your little certificates of cleanliness and infertility, or of what percentage of girls were impressed by your papers.[/QUOTE]Actually, I used to keep much better records than I do now--but after I attained my goal, a while back, of shooting my jizz into the twat of my 100th cum-in-pussy-compliant prostitute, I started getting a little sloppy with the record-keeping!

But, in answer to your query: With three of them, HIV negative papers were needed. In one case, in a Nana bar, the girl was very new and understood almost no English--so she showed the papers to one of the mamasans, who approved it! So, I barfined her, and off we went. About 30 minutes later, off I went--in her pussy, of course! ;)

[QUOTE=Pita123]Ok, where did you find the pregnant girl?!!

I'm not interested in BB but am interested in your batting average. Did you find any/many TGs that said they wouldn't BB?[/QUOTE]I had some computer glitches, so this might be a double post--if so, please excuse!

Based on the fact that on several nights, I "interviewed" at least one girl who declined to provide BBFS, I would estimate that about 60% of those I talked to were up for it. On many nights, the first girl I talked to was cool with it, so I looked no further! On the two nights that I did two girls (seperately--from different bars), they were the only ones I had talked to.

I found the pregnant girl in the Nana parking lot, about 2:30 AM. 1000 Baht, plus I tipped her 200 Baht for being such a sweetie and allowing me to get creampie pics, which I'll share with anyone who can convince me is "friend" rather than "foe"! ;)

[QUOTE=Lord Farquard]there is a pharmacy just past soi 11s that sell the gel 16 for 1000thb, that is the best price that i have found.[/QUOTE]The place at Suk Soi 11 next to Village Market sells the Kamagra gel packs for 60 Baht each, no multiples required. Again, latest chemistry (May2009) makes for no next day side effects whatsoever. Also, the new "Hologram" Apcalis should be no more than 600 Baht.

Hello brethren!

This is just a Hello, of sorts to the regulars who banter on this board, and a thank you for the practical advice. I just posted on the Pattaya board about my first trip there (I'm going to DisneyWorld! ), but for the rest of the time I'm in BKK, the same offer applies. I would willingly spring for a round or two at afine recommended local establishment. Don't worry, I'm not some desperate, clueless noob looking to follow someone around. I've been to Thailand several times, and I'm just content to meet up and shoot the sh! T for a while.

I'm actually hoping the vibe will be a little different this time around in BKK, for someone who is more melaninly inclined. I'm Canadian, but of mixed East Indian/African origin. So to Thais I'm labeled a "kek", and it's a completely different story compared to you "farangs". I joke with my white friends when we've travelled together that they legitimize me. With some pretty good results. That being said, I'm not on a sex mission, I'd like to take in the scene sure, but a run on the bars with the boys wouldn't be so bad. And I got some old friends, who got some friends, and so it goes.

If y'all gentlemen are so disposed, I'm open to suggestions as to time and place to meet. Apologies to Jackson, I let my subscription lapse, been on lockdown for a while here in Korea. But for the viewing public, reports will follow. My stated ambitions for this trip, aside from Pattaya:

1) Becoming a recreational Viagra user and going to Eden Club for the first time (! ). Perfect timing on that one, given the topic of conversation.

2) Being allowed in Rainbow 2/Nana disco without being acosted and being forced to use my charm to get in.

3) Actually getting one of the gogo girls in one of the nicer bars to sit with me when I send a request, rather than ignore and head for the nearest Japanese business person.

PS. Even after reading the forum, and seeing frequent mention of both Eden and SOL, I still have no idea WHERE the heck these places are. Everyone talks about them, but anyone mind giving a brief, simple explanation?

Thanks again for the accumulated wisdom of these pages.

[QUOTE=Royjunk]It's the super rich money exchanger across from the central world in soi by the big C . Super rich is also one of the investor in Amsterdam. Always the rates in town[/QUOTE]

Yes you are right, it was Super Rich, I just had forget the name of the money changer. The one at big C opposite Central World is even closer to me, so next time I will head there.

[QUOTE=Barko]The place at Suk Soi 11 next to Village Market sells the Kamagra gel packs for 60 Baht each, no multiples required. Again, latest chemistry (May2009) makes for no next day side effects whatsoever. Also, the new "Hologram" Apcalis should be no more than 600 Baht.[/QUOTE]

No, they charge 800 Baht for the Apcalis now. So, I will try the one recommended in Soi 19 today and will post about the result later.

Ok, I seldom read some FR about Spasso. In fact I did not read a single one. Yesterday night I decided to go to new venues. So, first I tried the Tunnel disco in Soi lang Suan, it's between Conrad and Hyatt Grand Erwan Hotel.
The place were almost empty at about 1 o'clock, so I didn't went in. The Taxi in which I arrived was waiting at the entrance and so I went to Spasso the first time. It's in the first floor of the Hyatt Grand Erawan Hotel.
I's more like a pub than a disco and has no entrance fee. But, prices are quite high. The charge 250 Baht for San Miquel + Plus Tax + Service charge which made the real price about 330 Baht.
There was a band playing in Spassos and the place were packed. The crowed were Western people and Thai Freelancer. I couldn't see Russian or Middle Eastern hookers, like in CM2 in the Basement of the Novotel.
The Thai Freelancer where Top Nooch. Really very nice looking women over there. Unlike Thermae where you can find teenage looking stunners (unfortunatelly they seems more into Asian customer), in Spassos you can find classy stunner.
I got alot approach from them, even from some who looked really like they are super rich. Well, I came with a nice shirt an proper shoes and jeans. They have a dress code, so with shorts and flip flops you might get no access to the place.
Well, spoke with some of the girls there. Didn't negociate the price, since I didn't want to take such a girl back to my Hotel. I am currently in the Majestic Suits Hotel, which is for my long stay (2 months) the right deal. Well, saw a nice looking Hotel near Soi 10 which is called paradiso. I will check out the place if it's a good deal. If it's so, than I will move in later on that trip.
But, back to Spasso. They close at 2 am and so I went out alone. Though I could go with one girl to another disco, didn't understand the name and could continue drinking with another girl who stayed in the Hyatt Hotel for Holiday. She told me that she left the next day for Chang Mai. Well, I thought both options could cost me alot of money and I decide better to skip that offers and head to Spicy.
Outside the Hyatt Hotel were some girls waiting. The one who approach me, was very pretty. I would rate her as a 8+ or even a 9. But, for that I would need to see her body much better, since she was sitting I couldn't see good enough. She had a very good nose job and was in a very good shape. She told me that she is 30 yo, but looked like 20. Anyway she was a bit desperate. Told me that she has no money and no customer. So, I asked how much she charged. She told me last time she got 5000 Baht LT. Well of course I could haggle her down to 3000 I think, but I thought the girl is used to stay with people in the Hyatt Hotel, Sheraton and the like and so she will be a bit spoiled.
Well, to keep my face I asked her if I can do her anal. She said no, she never did, so I replyed that I just take girls who can do that. I wished her good luck and left for Spicy. In the end the not so spoiled girls are better if you are not willing to pay serious money.
In the Spice club I took a girl who really looked like Bai Ling the Chinese Actress. She was great fun, spoke very good English, were quite clever and very sweet and affectionate. Had really a good time with her. I didn't made a photo from her, but she has a quite pretty face (just like bai ling) and she is quite tall. About 170 cm and very thin, I would say even skinny. I like more the curvy girls, but this girl were cute and lovely, which made the session remarkable. She usually works in Gulliver's but is somebody likes her telefon no just send me a PM.

[QUOTE=DG69]No, they charge 800 Baht for the Apcalis now. So, I will try the one recommended in Soi 19 today and will post about the result later.[/QUOTE]Noted. Will check with my pharma buddy there next week. If you go there again (the one on Soi 11 next to Village Market) make sure you talk to the guy at the far right of the counter, the one sitting at the computer all the time, he's the owner. I've been going to him long before he expanded the business up to this shop, and even that's been quite a while. Lots of other guys in that immediate vicinity go to him too, I guess he has become a local icon.

So, I'll check with him when I get there again, but I do know that the NEW Hologram pack Cialis is supposed to be pretty hot stuff, maybe that's why the raise in price. He works purely by percentages on the prices that he gets wholesale from India.

Thx DG69

[QUOTE=Jason Tenn]we went to Rajah’s hotel (near Na Na hotel on Soi 4) and discovered where the real good looking women are. I settled in on one and decided to come back later. I couldn’t get the cute little European off my mind, so I went back to haggle with her pimp. I got to talk to her alone for a few minutes, she is a beautiful Russian / Kassicstan <sp mix, but really stood out in the crowd (They had 25 Russian and about 25 other women of other European origins, all hot). She loves to kiss, infact she nearly sucked my tongue out of my throat, loved DATY, infact the only thing she was not into was anal. We went for about 6 hours, spend some time in the Jacuzzi and lounging around. I am young, in shape, and love sex, and she wore me out asking for more. There are ways to see her without having to pay directly for her from her pimp, if you want I can give you her number, but I expect you to tip her well, she is worth it? [/QUOTE]Hi Jason Tenn,

Did you meet this girl inside the Rajah hotel or did you find her
in a bar/club around the area there ?

By the way... real pity you took only one picture.

Cheers!

I were in the drug store on soi19 or better to say it's not in Soi 19 but on Sukhumvit between Soi 19 and Soi 17. To be more precisly right after Thermae in direction to Nana.
The drug store is really great. Friendly and helpful staff and the best prices at all.
Apcalis is 400 Baht (4 pills). I use a half pill a day, so last 8 days. They have also generic propecia, which I usually only got in Brazil. I mean the generic propecia.
If somebody don't know what this is, it's a pill which prevents that you lost your hair. I use it since I am 29 and I am now 39 and still have my full hair. I guess otherwise I would been alread bold.

[QUOTE=DG69]I were in the drug store on soi19 or better to say it's not in Soi 19 but on Sukhumvit between Soi 19 and Soi 17. To be more precisly right after Thermae in direction to Nana.
The drug store is really great. Friendly and helpful staff and the best prices at all.
Apcalis is 400 Baht (4 pills). I use a half pill a day, so last 8 days. They have also generic propecia, which I usually only got in Brazil. I mean the generic propecia.
If somebody don't know what this is, it's a pill which prevents that you lost your hair. I use it since I am 29 and I am now 39 and still have my full hair. I guess otherwise I would been alread bold.[/QUOTE]

If that is the one with the dog wandering around inside I have been very happy with their service. :)

[QUOTE=Lord Farquard]If that is the one with the dog wandering around inside I have been very happy with their service. :)[/QUOTE]

Can remember a dog, but anyway, it's the best drug store which I have seen in Thailand until now. Before I was happy with Siam Drug in Patpong Soi 2, but that has closed since about one year. In that drug store between soi 17 and 19 Sukhumvit the prices are much better.

[QUOTE=DG69]
Well, to keep my face I asked her if I can do her anal. She said no, she never did, so I replyed that I just take girls who can do that. I wished her good luck and left for Spicy. [/QUOTE]

LOL !!!

Absolutely superb DG69 ! Quality. Quality. Quality !

It's a long time since I've read something which made me smile so much.

Keep posting, and enjoy your time in Bangers,

Kens.

[QUOTE=Bangkok Banger]I found the pregnant girl in the Nana parking lot, about 2:30 AM. 1000 Baht, plus I tipped her 200 Baht for being such a sweetie and allowing me to get creampie pics, which I'll share with anyone who can convince me is "friend" rather than "foe"! ;)[/QUOTE]I either saw her, or another fairly along pregnant girl near Na Na the other night. Was not on the parking lot directly, but on the way to the Sky Train just a few feet away from the plaza where a lot of the free lancers hang out. Very pretty, think I might have to give her a try out :)

[QUOTE=DG69]Outside the Hyatt Hotel were some girls waiting. The one who approach me, was very pretty. I would rate her as a 8+ or even a 9. But, for that I would need to see her body much better, since she was sitting I couldn't see good enough. She had a very good nose job and was in a very good shape. She told me that she is 30 yo, but looked like 20. Anyway she was a bit desperate. Told me that she has no money and no customer. .[/QUOTE]Bangkok is really empty at the moment. Lots of girls complaining, whether they work in massage or freelance or bar there is a serious lack of customers.

Which of course means they will all be borrowing money on the dream that in 2 months it will all get better.

Which means that in about 3 months there is really going to be a mess, with so many girls and women in debt up to their eyeballs and desperate for cash.

I must say that things are now getting worse in Bangkok, more beggers about than usual, getting accosted by pretty darn ugly freelancers all over the place. I can see violent attacks and rip off's are going to get worse and worse as time rolls on.

Even the "Jap only" girls in Thermae are now open to foreigners, shocking is it not.

[QUOTE=DG69]I were in the drug store on soi19 or better to say it's not in Soi 19 but on Sukhumvit between Soi 19 and Soi 17. To be more precisly right after Thermae in direction to Nana.[/QUOTE]
Just a correction. Thermae is between Soi 15 and 13 towards Nana, not the other way.

Hello brethren!

Returning to BKK this week, and just sending a Hello, of sorts to the regulars who banter on this board, and a thank you for the practical advice. I posted on the Pattaya board that I'm going to be there this weekend, Saturday-Monday, and would willingly spring for a round or two. Same deal applies for the rest of my time in BKK. As I said on the Pattaya board, don't worry, I'm not some desperate, clueless noob looking to follow someone around. I'm just content to meet up and shoot the sh! T for a while.

I've been to Thailand several times and yet (amazingly! ) this is my first trip to Pattaya! I'm actually hoping the vibe will be a little different from the scene in BKK, for someone who is more melaninly inclined. I'm Canadian, but of mixed East Indian/African origin. So to Thais I'm labeled a "kek", and it's a completely different story compared to you "farangs". I joke with my white friends when we've travelled together that they legitimize me. With some pretty good results. That being said, I'm not on a sex mission, I'd like to take in the scene sure, but a run on the bars with the boys wouldn't be so bad.

If y'all gentlemen are so disposed, I'm open to suggestions as to time and place to meet. Apologies to Jackson, I let my subscription lapse, been on lockdown for a while here in Korea. But now I am newly subscribed, so I might be sending out some PMs soon.

My stated ambitions for this trip:

1) Becoming a recreational Viagra user. The current discussion was a windfall, thank you for the tips.

2) Taking advantage of the benefits of my new drug habit at Eden Club (never been).

3) Being allowed into fine establishments such as Rainbow 2 in NEP, or the Nana Hotel Disco, without having to resort to my charm and North American accent.

4) Actually being able to sit and talk with a girl of choice in said establishments.

5) Reuniting with some "oldies but goodies", and finding some new friends (my new hero is the guy who kept a tally of his BBBA. Bareback batting average. Might be PMing him soon.)

For the viewing public, reports will follow. But like I said, anyone wanting to meet up either in Pattaya or BKK, I'd like to hear from you. Thanks again for the accumulated wisdom of these pages.

Hello,

I hope you have a great trip! I was not impressed with my visit to Eden, in fact I almost took them up on the "if you do not enjoy the service its free" clause. But, my friend had the best time he has had there. I just saw nothing that I really enjoyed in the line up and was under the impression I had to pick something, which was a bad start. We got there around 8pm, and they said they were not overly busy. Only 3 on the left of the line, about 15 to the right side. I would say all closer to 30 than 20 if not slightly older, most in the 5-7 looks category. Now, the service was ok, I did not get CIM which was annoying as its clearly on the menu.

So, what I am saying is, YMMV. Go try it, you might love it! I thought I would too, just was not my cup of tea.

[QUOTE=Ilandman]Hello brethren! [/QUOTE]Hope you have a good time.

Two years ago I had my first mongering mission to Thailand which will also be my last. I am an East Indian origin guy based in California. It was an utterly disgusting experience. And I agree that part of the blame, a significant part I might say, is due to the behavior of "mongers" from that area. Whatever be the cause I found the situation to be irreparable.

So this year my mission is to Saigon. First time there, not sure what kind of reputation Indian brethren have built over there, taking a chance. If I find the situation to be like anywhere close to what it is in Thailand, I will run back immediately.

My mission starts today. By a stroke of luck it's going to start from Bangkok! Tonight I will be in Bangkok before moving to Saigon tomorrow. I am going to be there (if the situation is right) for about 2-3 months. That's a lot of business some Thai pussy has lost. They had their chance.

Thailand, for me, never again. Even then, it is, for tonight. But it's only a stopover. I will screw one or two pussies for sure because at the end of the day they are hookers and I am a John. I should be able to find "someone" with senses but it won't bother me if I couldn't.

Thailand is a lost cause. I don't intend to fight this fight. It's not mine. I will go where pussies are.

[QUOTE=Jason Tenn]I either saw her, or another fairly along pregnant girl near Na Na the other night. Was not on the parking lot directly, but on the way to the Sky Train just a few feet away from the plaza where a lot of the free lancers hang out. Very pretty, think I might have to give her a try out :)[/QUOTE]

If she is who I think you are talking about she was at Nana parking lot middle of May also ,
I had talked to her before she got knocked up , her english is pretty good since she lived with a Brit before,

Glad she found a customer , she is a nice girl

BK

[QUOTE=Ilandman]


I'm Canadian, but of mixed East Indian/African origin. So to Thais I'm labeled a "kek", and it's a completely different story compared to you "farangs". I joke with my white friends when we've travelled together that they legitimize me. With some pretty good results. That being said, I'm not on a sex mission, I'd like to take in the scene sure, but a run on the bars with the boys wouldn't be so bad.[/QUOTE]

I should post this in the "Racism" thread. But, you may not read it. Your experiences as a "kaek" are a good example of the Thais not being able to see past the ends of their noses. A good many of them are at least as dark, and have features quite similar to those they describe as "kaek", not least because many, unbeknownst to them have some Indian blood flowing through their veins from centuries of intimate cross-cultural interchange. Therefore, I always find it disturbing and amusing all at the same time that this particular prejudice persists.

I've attached a pic from today's Nation of the Deputy Prime Minister (left) meeting the C-in-C of the army (right). Both of these gentlemen of HiSo status could easily be mistaken for "kaek", especially the deputy PM. Yet, somehow I doubt that either would have problems entering any establishment or garnering the girl of their choice.

Oh well, TIT.

[QUOTE=Duniawala]Just a correction. Thermae is between Soi 15 and 13 towards Nana, not the other way.[/QUOTE]

Well, than I must have missed Soi 17. Soi 19 is right after Robinson Mall (with the McDonalds in the ground floor) coming from Nana and from Robinson Mall I headed towards Nana and after a view metre I past Thermae and as far I remember there were no other Soi between Robinson and Thermae.

Edit: Checked today again. Well the Drug Store is between Thermae and Robinson Mall. Between those is a small death end street, which looks like the way to Robinson Park House, but must be than Soi 17.

[QUOTE=The Pro]Bangkok is really empty at the moment. Lots of girls complaining, whether they work in massage or freelance or bar there is a serious lack of customers.
Even the "Jap only" girls in Thermae are now open to foreigners, shocking is it not.[/QUOTE]

For Patpong it's absolutely right, but the good places have still customer. In Nana the most GoGos have reduced their Staff, inho and the most GoGos are almost empty. Good ones still have some life sign's like the Rainbow group, Mandarin and Mercury. But, of course not as full as in high season. In Cowboy I will only visit three bars now, Tilac (which is still very crowdy, difficult to get a seat there), Shark and Ex Long Gun.
The rest of the bars have only a few girls and few customer. The after hour places like Spice Club and Spicy are still full. Spicy especially since many of the expat sons, or foreign students go there.
I can't say that I saw more beggars like in November, also I did not see any violence or Thermae stunner with Farangs. I guess it would be a losing of face for a Thermae stunner to go with a Farang. It seems that there is a competition between the girls, just to go with Asian guys and the ones whose go with Farangs are not more playing in the first league. Only the older Hooker in Thermae approaches Farangs.
Well, for somebody who is happy with the average looking girls is now a good time. The pretty ones are now easier to approach, but they have still high prices.
Example: I were in Sharks yesterday when they closed at 1:40 pm. Before the most stunning one whose were still in the club made eye contact with me and came over after her dance round. She talked with me for a while didn't ask for a drink. I wasn't sure if I should barfine her, since it was late and I was planing to pick up a freelancer in Spice Club. So, I thought I could ask for the price and see if it's Ok. She told me she wants 3000 LT. I asked her for ST and she said 2000. Seems high to me, so I thought OK if she allows me do fuck her arse I will do. I asked if she do Anal and I could see that she was shocked. Damn this time no luck with that, last November I had no problems to find girls whose into that.
Ok, her next dance round started and so other girls came over and tried to cut a lady drink out of me. Suddenly the lights go on and the music off. The bar closed. The stunner came down from the stage and came back to my seat to talk. We talked a while and I got the impression that she wants me to wait outside for her. So, I asked her if I should wait outside for her. She seemed interested. But, still wouldn't do Anal. So, I thought OK, you do not want Anal, but than you have to go down with the price to 1500 ST.
So, I asked her if she go for 1500 ST. She hesitated and said that she never before went with customer for such a low price. I guess there is still a limit which is hard for a girl to cross, since she would lose confidence. I could easily convince her that I have to sacrifice, sleeping with her without doing her ass, so she has to sacrifice on the price, but I did not. God knows why. I guess I was just not in the mood.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I should post this in the "Racism" thread. But, you may not read it. Your experiences as a "kaek" are a good example of the Thais not being able to see past the ends of their noses. A good many of them are at least as dark, and have features quite similar to those they describe as "kaek", not least because many, unbeknownst to them have some Indian blood flowing through their veins from centuries of intimate cross-cultural interchange. Therefore, I always find it disturbing and amusing all at the same time that this particular prejudice persists.

I've attached a pic from today's Nation of the Deputy Prime Minister (left) meeting the C-in-C of the army (right). Both of these gentlemen of HiSo status could easily be mistaken for "kaek", especially the deputy PM. Yet, somehow I doubt that either would have problems entering any establishment or garnering the girl of their choice.

Oh well, TIT.[/QUOTE]Dude, it is the GreeN that Thai people trust, despite you are green or purple. I am brown but i think we all have our fair of pie here :)

My humble 2 balls.

I hear from many girls not only in Thailand, but also neighboring countries, that business is very low and customers are staying away. Stunners with experience in the business are still doing OK thanks to their regulars, but for the majority of the girls, times are really hard and they all worry about not earning enough to pay for their rent and food (not to speak of continuing to support their family). I always think, that in times like these, it is also our responsibility to support the ones, that have given us such a good time in the past, by continuing to pay normal prices or giving good tips. I know that this is against all market laws, but I am strongly against misusing the current situation for lowering prices below what we were willing to pay before for a good time.

I am only a very rare visitor to Bangkok and certainly do not want to give advice to all of you locals here, but I would nevertheless like to inform you about what a lot of my fellows in the Beijing forum did during the months before Olympic Games last year. At that time, the Chinese government was cleaning up the entire capital, leading to a massive crack-down of all our favorite venues and forcing many of our favorite providers either back home or going underground. Those amongst you familiar with the Beijing scene will know, that one of the Beijing specialties are the Mongolian girls, which are great providers and usually go to great lengths to really satisfy their customers - both in and outside of the bed. For those Mongolians who decided to endure the difficult times until after the Olympics, many of my fellow mongers set up a kind of supporting network, by either establishing contacts amongst fellow mongerers or adopting girls for the time, that they were without sufficient income.

The current situation is of course very different to what happened in Beijing last year, and I am certainly not suggesting that we should all adopt a local girl here. But just think of it next time, when you negotiate with a girl or pay a tip. We all know that they have not chosen this job out of passion and that they depend on our money, so let's not make their life even harder and pay them back a bit for all the pleasure that they have given us in the past.

[QUOTE=Nail The World]Hope you have a good time.

Two years ago I had my first mongering mission to Thailand which will also be my last.

So this year my mission is to Saigon. First time there, not sure what kind of reputation Indian brethren have built over there, taking a chance. [/QUOTE]

NTW, sorry to hear that you had a bad time in LOS, I'm surprised that it wasn't good for you, most of the girls rate money & attitude as much more important than any other factor.

Best of luck in Saigon ! In my experience it's very difficult there - it certainly is not BKK. You may find that the problem in Nam is not ethnicity, but nationality....,

Kens

[QUOTE=Hendrik]The current situation is of course very different to what happened in Beijing last year, and I am certainly not suggesting that we should all adopt a local girl here. But just think of it next time, when you negotiate with a girl or pay a tip. We all know that they have not chosen this job out of passion and that they depend on our money, so let's not make their life even harder and pay them back a bit for all the pleasure that they have given us in the past.[/QUOTE]

Well, Hendrik with all due respect, but I think you are wrong in your thoughts.
First of all the girls working in the p4p business have indeed choose that job, since it's not a big deal for them and it brings more money with less effort than the work in a textil factory, or on a rice field. Believe me there are enough part time hooker who have at daytime a normal job, even a office job.

Beside that you are right I am also full of compassion especially when I see the not so pretty girls in the p4p business whose have almost no customer. But, coming back to the prices, I don't think that they are low. 2000 or even 1000 for ST is 40 to 20 Euro and for that money I can have a ST even in Frankfurt with an Eastern European Hooker. I have 2 or 3 regulars in the Frankfurt brothels whose look real good (one from the Dominican Island, one from Turkey and one from Bulgaria) who do it for 25 Euro to 30 Euro. The Bulgarian even do anal and the girl from the Dominican Island DFK. And all are at least 7 to 8, much better looking than most of the Bargirls, which is not difficult.
So, I think the prices are still high and I think that the policy of tipping and overpaying will lead in less business for the Thai tourist industrie. Since people tend to go than in cheaper destinations. Imho, tipping and overpaying is not good, though I have to admit that I also use to tip, but with sense and not tipping 1000 Bhat for a girl whose provide a good service in a MP.

[QUOTE=Hendrik]I am strongly against misusing the current situation for lowering prices below what we were willing to pay before for a good time.[/QUOTE]

I pay what the market bears. These same capitalists with the ever-present smile will cut neither you nor me a break when the market favors them, or when you or I am short a few baht. I remember a Nana girl who declined what I knew was a good offer for ST. I watched her for an hour. I took her friend, and guess who comes trolling back to me the next day for my previous offer. I DECLINED, and asked for her friend.

[QUOTE=Hendrik]We all know that they have not chosen this job out of passion and that they depend on our money, so let's not make their life even harder and pay them back a bit for all the pleasure that they have given us in the past.[/QUOTE]

Well, they can choose to take a job that makes less money, requires their families to support themselves, and keep their dignity. I offer this example: I can get an academic appointment at a top-tier U.S. university, kill myself with a nasty publication schedule, and reap the money and prestige that goes along with it. Alternatively, I can take an appointment at a lesser school, teach (which is what I enjoy) rather than write, and make less money but have a fuller life.

Life requires choices. If one really feels for the life of these girls, give them the money and decline to sleep with them. Some do.

[QUOTE=Barko]Try Sukhumvit Soi 11, 100 meters up, between Village Market and the bank. Private connects with India, (Pharma guy is a smart cookie.) Neighborhood locals all go here.

Kamagra, 300 Baht for four tab blister pack. Genuine Ajanta. Fresh; latest chemistry = no side effects. XLNT quality, always in stock. The guy turns over cases/week. Kamagra gel and Cialis available as well. Open Sunday[/QUOTE]

For anyone else looking for this place (assuming I found the same one), it's on the right-hand side of the soi beyond *Villa* supermarket at the entrance to a small shopping mall kind of setup.

Kamagra gel in individual packs @100 baht.

Well. You will find Saigon much more difficult.

Also, you need to teach your own to "behave." Last year I met an east Indian guy from California who wanted to hit a freelance place with me so I hung out with him. He treated the girls like total Shit!

He was so rude and bad with them that they made fun of him and called Hi Ali Baba! He totally deserved it and when he left the girls told me "that's why we don't like Indians!"

[QUOTE=Nail The World]Hope you have a good time.

Two years ago I had my first mongering mission to Thailand which will also be my last. I am an East Indian origin guy based in California. It was an utterly disgusting experience. And I agree that part of the blame, a significant part I might say, is due to the behavior of "mongers" from that area. Whatever be the cause I found the situation to be irreparable.

So this year my mission is to Saigon. First time there, not sure what kind of reputation Indian brethren have built over there, taking a chance. If I find the situation to be like anywhere close to what it is in Thailand, I will run back immediately.

My mission starts today. By a stroke of luck it's going to start from Bangkok! Tonight I will be in Bangkok before moving to Saigon tomorrow. I am going to be there (if the situation is right) for about 2-3 months. That's a lot of business some Thai pussy has lost. They had their chance.

Thailand, for me, never again. Even then, it is, for tonight. But it's only a stopover. I will screw one or two pussies for sure because at the end of the day they are hookers and I am a John. I should be able to find "someone" with senses but it won't bother me if I couldn't.

Thailand is a lost cause. I don't intend to fight this fight. It's not mine. I will go where pussies are.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DG69]I were in the drug store on soi19 or better to say it's not in Soi 19 but on Sukhumvit between Soi 19 and Soi 17.[/QUOTE]KS Pharmacy, maybe? My favorite in Bangkok. The young guy who runs it is very knowledgeable and helpful.

What is Ajanta?

I'll second it. Have been buying all my needs there from him for years now. Very knowledgeable, helpful and polite. Same can be said to his lovely wife that helps him

[QUOTE=Betong]KS Pharmacy, maybe? My favorite in Bangkok. The young guy who runs it is very knowledgeable and helpful.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Betong]KS Pharmacy, maybe? My favorite in Bangkok. The young guy who runs it is very knowledgeable and helpful.[/QUOTE]

Might be. I didn't read the name of the Pharmacy, it looks like all the other little drug stores around. Inside are at least one quite pretty girl and another girl and a guy. When I were there, there were also a older Indian looking guy sitting on customer side. Seems that he spend all the days there and chat with the nice looking girl. Maybe he is the boss.

[QUOTE=Redfield10]He totally deserved it and when he left the girls told me "that's why we don't like Indians!"[/QUOTE]

I worked some times with Indians and when I were Shift Leader in an Saudi Arabian Power Plant I dealt alot with Indians. Also, in the whole gulf reagion you will have to deal with Indians. The Saudis are also annoyed by the arrogance of the better situated Indians, though I have to admit that the Saudis threat the Indians often like shit as well.
Anyway I think that the Arabs are more gentle as the the upper class Indians. The lower class Indians might be different, but the upper class Indians and those from the higher castes such like Brahmas, are use to be arrogant and rude and that are the people you meet usually as tourists in foreign countries.

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]The Mike's Hotel has a bunch of Russian girls upstairs, just walk in and ask for Russian girls and you will be led upstairs where there are Russian girls waiting in rooms. The hotel is opposite the Grace Hotel on Suk. soi 3 at the entrance of the Hospital.[/QUOTE]Can you tell more about this place. I mean service and of course price too.

Thanks in advance.

A very wealthy Indian friend of mine, who lives in Dubai, invited me to an indian wedding that took place in Bali. I have never seen such a tasteless flaunting of wealth.
In any event, I was asked to take the boys out for the batchelor party. We are in a club, around 1.30 AM, and my friend exchanges words with a local, and 2 minutes later, the local guy has broken a glass, and slashed my friend's face. blood everywhere, etc.
We jump on motorbikes and head to the nearest emergency room. Nice doctor is ready to sew him up, but I ask if we are better off finding a plastic surgeon, since it is his cheek and lip. We then head off to the plastic surgery place, where we wait. Meantime, his parents, who were also there for the wedding, have been dragged out of bed, and arrive. I am there with their son, I hauled him out of the bar, I drove him around, and even though he is worth 20x what I am worth, he didnt have any money on him, so I had to pay the first doctor. (To this day, he has not paid me back).

Point to my story is, when the parents arrive, they dont even look at me at first, then give me accusatory looks, like it is my fault their poor little baby (35 years old) got his face cut up in a bar. When they started asking me why I took their son to that bar, I reminded them I met him there, and he is the one who wanted to go there. Of course, they didn't believe me.

Their arrogance was such as I have never seen before.
The amount of money in your bank account does certainly not reflect the anount of class you have.

1Ball,

I saw in a report on 60 minutes a few years back on exactly what you are talking about when it comes to sons and their arrogants and tasteless showing off. Maybe that's why the son hasn't paid you back because the parents wouldn't allow it or he gets cut off. Maybe that's why he's still unmarried at his age maybe no women was good enough for their little baby.

Before anyone gets all bent out of shape! said in humor and certainly a generalization!

LBM

What you all say are probably true, because I have seen it all. But do not generalize that all Indians are that way. In fact a couple of years back I met a Indian, a professor in US university, whose attitude towards Thais and women were really offensive. Class, money and education has nothing to do with it. It is the fault of parents who raised them that way, IMHO.

Having said that, I never had any problems anywhere in my travels around the world. In fact I am greeted warmly every time I go to my favorite bars and hotels in BKK.

I don't presume to know why all these Indian dudes(?) have the racism problems. Must be their attitudes and demeanors. In fact, Indian students are getting roughed up in the Land of Oz right now. So shall I call the Aussies racist? Should I call all the Americans racist, now that one white dude shot up at the Holocaust Museum in Washington and espouses hatred on his web site. African students in India are subject to derision. Just because they have dark skin?

i am tired of reading about all these incidents, no matter what country they are from. Lowlifes belong to all races and ethnic groups. What we see are mostly individuals and that cannot be translated as a general indictment on a community or a country.

1Ball, forget about the money. They became rich because they always used OPM to amass their wealth.

DG69, by your descriptions the Arabs are racist because they treat the labor class from Asia as shit.

The Brits, introduced rules to limit immigration to EU countries. Hey, are mostly white aren't they?

I am sure this subject can be discussed ad nauseam. But this is not the place for it.

Let's just stick to sex, shall we. And that's not racist. :)

did a go-go crawl tonight thru nana and peeked into g-spot, which is one of the very few nana go-go's i've never been to. the girl i saw from the door was very enticing, so went in, sat down, immediately ordered a beer and 100 bht of ping pong balls for a little sanuk. the girl came to sit down with me and i knew right away i'd be bar fining. after a few minutes, a mamasan comes up with a laminated price list of bar fine, st and lt. wtf?!?! bar fine 600 bht. standard. fair enough. st 2000, lt 4000. mamasan is there listening while i'm trying to negotiate with the girl herself. would have paid 3000 lt no problem. in all my years of coming to thailand, i've never encountered this situation. usually, you pay the standard bar fine and then you and the girl work out the $ she gets for st or lt, as we all know. anyway, i checked bin and told the girl i'd come back tomorrow to try again, as the mamasan standing there made me a bit nervous for the girl, thinking that if she'd agreed to 3000, she'd get in trouble. what the fuck is the deal with g-spot?

[QUOTE=james707]Can you tell more about this place. I mean service and of course price too.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]It's 2000B for a short time (1 pop) the last time I went there. I am not sure about the service because that is hit and miss with the Russian girls. I've had great experiences with them and some luke warm ones, so service is up in the air.

It is fair easy to find and the moment you walk in there will be a older guy there asking if you are looking for Russian girls. Sometime the girls hang out in the lobby.

On a different note, I was standing in front of an money exchange booth directly in front of the Landmark waiting for my friend to exchange some money when low and behold a hot Russian girl dress in the shortest of short comes walking by arm in arm with a old japanese guy (70 yrs old). The guy had the biggest I've been fucked good grim on his face. I thought about running after them and asking where she works at because she was probably the best looking Russian I have seen in Thailand.

So they are out there, you just have to know where to look.

actually, LBM, the guy is worth millions in his own right. If I mentionned the company he is involved with, everyone in India, South Asia, the Middle East, and pretty much all of Africa would know what I am talking about.

He didn't pay me back, coz it just isn't important to him. he forgot about it 30 seconds after I pulled money out of my pocket.

But you are right. He was planning a vacation in Goa a few weeks after the terrible incident in Mumbai. His parents forbid him to go. He is 35.

We are no longer friends.

Just a quick report of Bangkok, I went for a short trip in May (been a few times before). Stayed at Grand President soi 11, Tower 3. Didn't particularly liked it this time, mainly due to unsavoury characters/gusts. No offence, but large gangs of arab/indian guys who were really loud, basically leaving their doors open and living in the corridors, talking load and smoking with music at full blast non-stop. Never saw them with a girl of their own but pinched one of my girls that I brought in in the lift !? The buffet breakfast time was crazy too, twice it was so full, they asked us to wait outside - not pleasant.

One night I came across this semi-pro (or may be non-pro ! ) who agreed to come to my place late at night, but didn't have an ID. She didn't look young or anything, well passed 25 I say (late 20s). What ever I did they wouldn't let her in, she looked really ordinary but I think security had a bad vibe (I offered money, her cell phone etc.). She never replied to my calls/sms later (only once), and never came back, so may be there was something wrong, or she was just a non-pro and went cold - anyway due to the security guy at the hotel I'll never know !

I've been/done most things in Bangkok, so just a summary. Visited Smile mp, see report in the mp section. As for gogo bars I recommend skipping most of them and find the gogo places with shows. It's quite entertaining and worth paying their expensive drinks, also once the show started pick a girl and buy her drink, she will say with you for an hour while the show is on, as oppose to 5 min and back up the stage. Angelwitch in Nana has a show. Not sure which one but there are a couple in Cowboy too, one has a bath show !!! in that girls really wash each other proper (can't remember the name, perhaps one of the ex-pats can help, toilet was upstairs through a winding narrow stairs). Far better than looking at some bored girls standing around... (I think Long Gun in Cowboy is one with fully nude girls and some shows too)

Carnival in Nana on 3rd floor has a mechanical bull, although it was quite the girls had fun and had a ride or two which was great, specially when the tits popped out on an occasion, got me laughing and she got my 100B tip...

Prices for drinks, barfine, girls in gogo bars have all gone up a bit, but I either called up my old friends or picked up girls who were bar hopping, Not the girls standing in the street waiting, but you see working girls going in and out of bars/clubs and looking and making eye contact - in soi 5 - 9 are, easy to spot them, very open to stop and talk in the street. All said yes to 1000B ST right away. I usually chat with them a bit or even have a drink to check them out and then take them back - make sure you check them out.

Also got a number from a gogo bar girl and she visited me the next day before work, didn't speak any English so arranged with her friend on the phone. Real cutie, never discussed money, but I guess I didn't pay enough for a girl of that calibre (a 9 in my book) so next time I called she didn't want to come, shame. I guess you need to judge it and don't pay too much or too little !

Spicy disco in soi 11 (in Ambassador Hotel) is good as a last resort if all failed, open till quite late, live music then DJ, most girls are on day off but wouldn't say no to extra money. Took a girl from there, normally worked in a gogo in Cowboy, 1500 ST, for some reason only CBJ which put a damper on proceeds, otherwise very sweet.

Basically there are so many girls around, if one is asking too much or gives you attitude just say next, be picky and have fun.

[QUOTE]1Ball, forget about the money. They became rich because they always used OPM to amass their wealth.

DG69, by your descriptions the Arabs are racist because they treat the labor class from Asia as shit.

The Brits, introduced rules to limit immigration to EU countries. Hey, are mostly white aren't they?

I am sure this subject can be discussed ad nauseam. But this is not the place for it.

Let's just stick to sex, shall we. And that's not racist. :)[/QUOTE]Indians. Nothing wrong with them. Except wherever they go they expect the world to change for them. In the UK there are many Indians. Never pay tax and always moaning about racism. Britain should introduce rules to stop their welfare system being abused by the Indians. Pakistanis. Poles. Black white who gives a fuck. Is that I have said racism. No. Fact. Cap fits wear it.

[QUOTE=Uzinuzin]Spicy disco in soi 11 (in Ambassador Hotel) is good as a last resort if all failed, open till quite late, live music then DJ, most girls are on day off but wouldn't say no to extra money. [/QUOTE]

Must be Spice Club, because Spicy is not in Soi 11, but (Soi 1 Ruang Muang?) behind National Stadium coming from Sukhumvit.

[quote=irishlager]did a go-go crawl tonight thru nana and peeked into g-spot, which is one of the very few nana go-go's i've never been to. the girl i saw from the door was very enticing, so went in, sat down, immediately ordered a beer and 100 bht of ping pong balls for a little sanuk. the girl came to sit down with me and i knew right away i'd be bar fining. after a few minutes, a mamasan comes up with a laminated price list of bar fine, st and lt. wtf?!?! bar fine 600 bht. standard. fair enough. st 2000, lt 4000..... what the fuck is the deal with g-spot?[/quote]
guys, watch out in g-spot (and lolipop). last time i was in there i saw at least 4-5 ladyboys working there. they were the type that had the full surgery, and if you're a newbie it would be hard to tell the difference.

it seems like 2000st and lt4000 is the going rate in nana bars and most all the girls are getting it no problem. imo, the japanese are the main reason for these high prices. it still blows my mind how guys will pay this much(2000st, fine 600, room 300= 2900 for one pop.) much better service and quality in the massage places for this kind of money.

Did Soi Cowboy and Hyatt last night. Cowboy was excellent at the usual places, particularly Tilac, which is a blaze of neon colour and fun. Long Gun was a bit sterile as were many of the others. They had a full nude show at one point which kept me there a little loinger, but then they brought out a specialist crew of slightly overweight mamas and then I had to get out. But Tilac had plenty of characters and a high quota of 8+ girls. There are girls in leather gear on the stage who dance really well. I suspect they are pro dancers only and perhaps not commercially available but maybe I'm wrong here. 1-2 old mamas walking the floor and going good massages on the spot. Nice, kept me relaxed and cheery.

Was tempted to take something out but ended up checking out Hyatt. Really excellent band there at the moment called "Scarlet" I think, and the place was full of fun. A few arrogant wealthy young Thais throwing their money about and ordering people around. A few wealthy older Arabs who'd pre-ordered whole tables of lavish food and drink setups with their entourages, and imbibing expensive champagne, whilst trying to exude an aura of wealth and class but being stuck down the back and unable to see the band for the crowd, so were first pitiable and then largely unnoticed as the night wore on. 5-6 ladyboy suspects. Everyone very friendly though, given the talented and positive entertainers on stage.

My pal took home an unusual looking but very affectionate girl with huge eyes and weird haircut for 3500B. I suspected ladyboy but he was convinced not. However, said that she was right into Greek action only, in a major way and was all set up for it with her KY etc in bag. Damn lucky SOB. Or maybe not. There was the usual female parts up front but hmmm. Perhaps she was post-op. Well he paid a price for his fun.

I didn't take anything as all the decent ones got grabbed by 2am but a good place and although the rules are a little more like a nightclub, it didn't quite have the same meatmarket feeling of the other places and the attitudes were good. Will go back again.

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Its very simple.

If the farangs stop going there and drinking loads of beers while simply watching girls dance (what is the point of this I do not know, I spend money to fuck, not to sit around watching some girls dancing on a stage), then the bar will lose all their drinks income.

This will hurt, and they will have to investigate why, and if they find its due to the girls fee's being too expensive, then those fee's will drop.

There are many bars in Bangkok, with many girls in them. There is no need to go to the Nana, you can go to any freelance bar, or Cowboy or Soi 22 bars or anywhere else you want.

Only when people stop drinking in these bars are prices are too high, will the pressure be put on to bar owners to control ST and LT pricing. The more the girls get, they less often they have to do it.

Two LT in a month and the girl can live at 4000B a go, so why should she work hard when she can take the occasional LT and live quite happily.

Stick to you principles, it should be 1500B short time and 2000B long time.

Thats it.

A simple approach to controlling your inability to control yourself after a few beers is this:

Afternoon, go to one of the many massage places (Angel, Tulip or the many others on Sukhumvit Soi 33 or 24 or 24/1) and have a 90 minute session and a good fuck.

This will set you back 600B for the house and 1500B for the girl.

Now you have had a good fuck in the afternoon you can be choosy and picky over the evenings entertainment. You are in no mad rush for a fuck that day, as you have had one already.

I always have an afternoon session, then whether I want to take in the evening or not is totally up to me, I am under no self induced pressure and can turn down any who may try to get more money.

Another short cut to happiness is to be very clear from the outset. If you like a girl and she comes over, then ask her straight up if she will go LT for 2000B.

If she says no then play hard ball, no drinks or anything else and find another. When you find one who agree's to the 2000 for LT then and only then waste your money on "ladies drinks".

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Guys, watch out in g-spot (and lolipop). Last time I was in there I saw at least 4-5 ladyboys working there. They were the type that had the full surgery, and if you're a newbie it would be hard to tell the difference.

It seems like 2000ST and LT4000 is the going rate in Nana bars and most all the girls are getting it no problem. IMO, the Japanese are the main reason for these high prices. It still blows my mind how guys will pay this much(2000ST, fine 600, room 300= 2900 for one pop.) Much better service and quality in the massage places for this kind of money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Andy Abs]Indians. Nothing wrong with them. Except wherever they go they expect the world to change for them. [/QUOTE]How very different from the English abroad, eh?

[QUOTE=Andy Abs]In the UK there are many Indians. Never pay tax and always moaning about racism. Britain should introduce rules to stop their welfare system being abused by the Indians. Pakistanis. Poles.[/QUOTE]Can't be bothered to argue, but it's the immigrants who usually shore up the economy. And the rich fat cats who manage to avoid paying tax. Check out the fabulously rich Vestey family who avoided paying UK tax for 100 years.

[QUOTE=Andy Abs]Black white who gives a fuck. Is that I have said racism. No. [/QUOTE]Yes, that's racism

[QUOTE=Andy Abs]Fact. Cap fits wear it.[/QUOTE]Quite.

I've been off of the forum for a while dealing with some health issues. I'm all fit now and ready to get back to mongering. To everyone that has sent me Pm in the last six months I will get back to you.

What I am curious about is Chinatown. From everything I have read and everyone I have talked to in Bangkok there are freelancers and SW there. However there are no reports indicating where they are and how numerous they are. I have to admit the appeal of paying 500 baht versus the 1000+ for freelancers and SW in Bangkok is strong. One of the reasons I like Pattaya is because the Beach Road girls(the dozens and dozens of them) are all asking 500 baht give or take. The girls at Nana Plaza and across the street are no more attractive than the Beach Road girls in Pattaya. Yet they charge 500 baht more.

Nevertheless I had a friend go to Chinatown in Bangkok and spend 4 hours looking for a SW. Didnt see one. Now Chinatown is a big place full of people. Its really crowded according to him. So maybe he didnt see them. But he had a map of Chinatown and walked most of the place. Can anyone tell the board here where the SW and freelancers are in Chinatown? Can you be specific? Many of us would take the boat ride or taxi to Chinatown just to do something different.

And to think you could get nearly three girls in Chinatown(according to the few reports about Chinatown the girls are asking 300 baht) for the price of one at Nana....

[QUOTE=Showdown]And to think you could get nearly three girls in Chinatown(according to the few reports about Chinatown the girls are asking 300 baht) for the price of one at Nana....[/QUOTE]
How's your Thai, mate? I reckon that part of what I am paying for is some semblance of an ability to communicate. Now that doesn't mean we're gonna have a conversation about Dostoevsky, but it does mean that I'm not going to get a blank stare and with a wrinkled forehead.

[QUOTE=Showdown]What I am curious about is Chinatown. From everything I have read and everyone I have talked to in Bangkok there are freelancers and SW there. However there are no reports indicating where they are and how numerous they are. I have to admit the appeal of paying 500 baht versus the 1000+ for freelancers and SW in Bangkok is strong. One of the reasons I like Pattaya is because the Beach Road girls(the dozens and dozens of them) are all asking 500 baht give or take. The girls at Nana Plaza and across the street are no more attractive than the Beach Road girls in Pattaya. Yet they charge 500 baht more.

Can anyone tell the board here where the SW and freelancers are in Chinatown? Can you be specific? Many of us would take the boat ride or taxi to Chinatown just to do something different.
[/QUOTE]

Yes, any reasonable man loves the Beach Road - alas it is again under pressure from police round-ups of the girls. This has long been a problem in Chinatown as well - so nowadays there are only a small number of girls there compared to in the past, just like Pattaya beach, and quality is down drastically in both places. The big reason that Chinatown has never caught on is that even though the price is 300-500 baht, the service is geared towards Thai customers - meaning abominable, even hostile, rushed service.

However its worth a try and there is no doubt that the girls on Sukhumvit are not worth what they are charging. So here is how to find the girls in Chinatown - take a taxi to the Taipei Hotel. There will be girls around there. Now, to see the rest, walk from this hotel up to the roundabout and back down all the way to the Hua Lampung train station area. There are several sois that can take you this way, and most have a few girls. You will find girls clustered around super-cheap short time hotels. Total maybe 30 girls in the whole area.

[QUOTE=Andy Abs]Indians. ............In the UK there are many Indians. Never pay tax and always moaning about racism. Britain should introduce rules to stop their welfare system being abused by the Indians. Pakistanis. .................. [/QUOTE]
They are just taking back what is owed to them by the Brits, who looted the Indian subcontinent for 200 years. What goes around comes round. :D

[QUOTE=Opebo]Yes, any reasonable man loves the Beach Road - alas it is again under pressure from police round-ups of the girls. This has long been a problem in Chinatown as well - so nowadays there are only a small number of girls there compared to in the past, just like Pattaya beach, and quality is down drastically in both places. The big reason that Chinatown has never caught on is that even though the price is 300-500 baht, the service is geared towards Thai customers - meaning abominable, even hostile, rushed service.

However its worth a try and there is no doubt that the girls on Sukhumvit are not worth what they are charging. So here is how to find the girls in Chinatown - take a taxi to the Taipei Hotel. There will be girls around there. Now, to see the rest, walk from this hotel up to the roundabout and back down all the way to the Hua Lampung train station area. There are several sois that can take you this way, and most have a few girls. You will find girls clustered around super-cheap short time hotels. Total maybe 30 girls in the whole area.[/QUOTE]


How bout an intersection or cross street for the "Taipei Hotel"...

[QUOTE=Highway61]Cowboy was excellent at the usual places, particularly Tilac, which is a blaze of neon colour and fun.[/QUOTE]Sometimes I still miss the 'old' Cowboy, now that the place has been Nana-ized practically beyond recognition. But at Tilac at least it's hard to complain -- loads of talent and a good lively atmosphere. To my mind it's quite easily the best bar on the street these days. And judging by the business they're doing, others must agree.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212]How bout an intersection or cross street for the "Taipei Hotel"...[/QUOTE]

I've no idea I'm afraid, and no way to find it. But most taxi drivers know it, and certainly most in Chinatown will know it. Just take the Subway to Hua Lampong (the main train station), and get a taxi from there.

Hello,

Anyone know where one can get some Indian girls in BKK?

[QUOTE=Rjsss212]How bout an intersection or cross street for the "Taipei Hotel"...[/QUOTE]

If you got GPS on your phone then I think it is.... N 014 48.151, E 100 36.662

422 Mitraphan Rd, phone is or was... 02 222 8710 or 02 226 6480-4

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]If you got GPS on your phone then I think it is.... N 014 48.151, E 100 36.662

422 Mitraphan Rd, phone is or was... 02 222 8710 or 02 226 6480-4[/QUOTE]


Sounds good, thanks.
RJSSS212

[QUOTE=Betong]KS Pharmacy, maybe? My favorite in Bangkok. The young guy who runs it is very knowledgeable and helpful.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it's KS Pharmacy, I just passed it yesterday again and had a look on the sign. Very helpful indeed and I can fully recommend this store. Had a problem with heartburn, since a few months. Didn't went to a doctor since I lived and worked in England and had literally no time to go. I guess it was just the sress from work. Well, in the KS they gave me pills and I guess it was the right one. Heartburn stopped.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]It seems like 2000ST and LT4000 is the going rate in Nana bars and most all the girls are getting it no problem.[/QUOTE]

Friday night in a Nana bar girl quoted 1500 for ST, and dropped to 1300 without any haggling from me when I didn't go for it after 10 minutes. I'm afraid I was pressed for time so I couldn't take her up on it. BF was quoted at 600.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]Friday night in a Nana bar girl quoted 1500 for ST, and dropped to 1300 without any haggling from me when I didn't go for it after 10 minutes. I'm afraid I was pressed for time so I couldn't take her up on it. BF was quoted at 600.[/QUOTE]


Yes, you can haggle the price down with no problem, just I think that is possible even in the highest high season. It just depends on the girl. If she has no customer for long time and is in need for money than she will agree sex for little money. If she is less pretty for the most guys, than she will seldom have customer and so they go for little money. The better looking ones might go for less in low season when there is not so much business. The stunner will go for less if you are attractive for them (look, long time Expat who could be a regular guest, funny, etc). But, if the stunner needs money than she will go for the one who pay the higher rate.
Stunners will have always enough clients I guess. Average girls have to suffer on low season. Were in Baccara and I guess they must have 50-70 girls in there, on two stages. I couldn't see one who I would rate high than a 7/10 in the look department. I guess they have very seldom customer and live only from what the earn from the Bar and maybe tips and lady drinks.

Nevertheless it's always the best not to pay high prices. Haggle a bit to a resonable amount this makes it easier for others customer (whose could be you on your next visit).

A couple of days back got a 1500ST at Sharks in Cowboy. Talent level was pretty high with many 7+ chicas. BF at 600 also.

Even if an absolute stunner, 4000 LT is WAY out of line. Nana quotes were 2500 LT at several places.

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[QUOTE=DG69]Must be Spice Club, because Spicy is not in Soi 11, but (Soi 1 Ruang Muang?) behind National Stadium coming from Sukhumvit.[/QUOTE]

You are quite right, I always mixed these two up.... (I think I heard the other one is closed - but don't take my word for it).

[QUOTE=Uzinuzin]You are quite right, I always mixed these two up.... (I think I heard the other one is closed - but don't take my word for it).[/QUOTE]

No, boths are open.
Spice Club in Sukhumvit Soi 11 has an entrance fee from 200 Baht with one free drink. The Club is good from 1 to 3 am I would say.
Spicy has an entrance fee from 300 Baht with one free drink and is good from 2-6 am I would say.

So, start with Spice Club and change than after 3 am to Spicy is a good move.

Just one observation from now. Even when many say that it's low season, it seems to me that it's not true. The ratio men to women is the same as it was in November, imho. Also, the clubs are equal filled, so afterhour club wise I don't see a change to high season.
The GoGo Bars might have a little bit less customer from the West, but enough from Asian countries. Sometimes like yesterday I got the feeling that even in GoGo-Bars which are not known as an Asian Playground, are now more Asian customer than Western guys.
Not, that I say that this is bad, just an observation and a hind that the business for the Thai p4p-industry isn't that bad as many say. The East-Asian, Indian and Arab tourists compensate the lack of European and American tourists, imho.

[QUOTE=DG69]Stunners will have always enough clients I guess. Average girls have to suffer on low season.[/QUOTE]

This one was very fit. Washboard stomach, anime face, small but soft and shapely tits ..

[QUOTE=DG69]Were in Baccara and I guess they must have 50-70 girls in there, on two stages.[/QUOTE]

I've been seeing (in the sense of looking at) a couple of girls at Baccara for a year or so now, and they look like they've grown up fast in that short time .. This weekend got stung for a tequila by one who gulped it and then asked me very nicely if I would mind her going to canvas other customers. She butterfly'd about 4 mature gentlemen (no Japanese, though there are plenty of Japanese customers), but did come to "dance" right in front of me when she was back on, all flirty smiles.

[QUOTE=DG69]Nevertheless it's always the best not to pay high prices. Haggle a bit to a resonable amount this makes it easier for others customer (whose could be you on your next visit).[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

When I got back to BKK, I first went to Thonlor Massage parlor. I will submit a story on that at a later time. Suffice it to say I had a nice girl who gave me a great soapy shower massage, a naked blowjob, and 2 passionate lays in many positions before my time ran out. Nice. I save her a 500b tip.

Next night I decided to go to Nana. IMHO The Rainbow bars have the largest number of great looking girls in the plaza. Persosnally, as of this writing, I like Rainbow 4 the best. Next trip things may change. Who knows. Anyway I walked into Rainbow 4 around 8pm and just like Baccarra on Cowboy, the place was a jumping. Two stages with lots of babes and lots of customers. On the stage on the left as you enter, I saw three amazing girls dancing in a row. They were all atleast 7.5 or higher. I took a fancy to one taller girl (5ft 5in) with a body like a Thai model (great be cup tits, thin but with a slightly hour glass figure, curved ass and great legs). She had a beautiful face and wore her hair Chinese style in a pony tail with bangs hanging over her forhead. Wow! This girl was the best looking girl I had sex with on this trip. She was better looking than at least half the girls in Thai Penthouse.

She saw me looking her over and smiled back. I indicated I wanted to buy her a drink and she came to my table after her set. We talked a little and she seemed to have an congenial personality. Gitty up. I asked her how much she wanted. She replied 2000. I countered with 1500. She demurely declined so. I agreed to her price. A few minutes later we left and went upstairs.

The room was large and clean. We kissed and she asked me to take a shower, but declined to take one with me. Strike 1. I took a quick shower just to make her happy (I had already showered in my hotel before going out). Then she showered while I waited for her on the bed. She came back into the room with a towel wrapped around her body. I unwrapped her and started feeling her up an kissing her neck and pretty little tits. Again, the girl had an amazing body. Face 9.5. Body 9.5. We laid down together and strike 2, no blow job. I was getting disappointed but what the hell, I still wanted to do her.

I messed around with a little fore play kissing and massaging her breasts. Then I mounted her. I easily entered her vagina which was a shade larger than I would have preferred. This girl had obviously seen a lot of action, even though she was only 23. Then strike 3, she just layed there. I tried my best to get her going but she was as unenthusiastic as a girl can get. She was totally passive. I asked her; "Tar why you no like me. I like you." And she said "I like you." To which I said "Yes, but I like you a lot, you only like me a little." Anyway that’s the way it was. Normally I would have lost my hard on. I like responsive girls, but Tar was so beautiful, I stayed hard even though I was a thousand miles away from orgasm.

This situation continued for at least 30 minutes. I guess Tar must have figured things out by then I. E. That I was not some quick shot 5 minute customer because after 30-40 minutes of passivity, she started giving me some action accompanied by some quiet moans. I didn’t believe in any of it, but at least this was better than what went on before. After another 10 minutes or so I came. There was no after play. She removed my condom and wiped me up. We got dressed. I gave her, her 2000b. No tip. She did not directly complain about the lack of a tip, but indirectly told me I should leave a tip for the maid. I left the maid 20b which she thought was not adequate. I told her she could leave the maid something more if she wanted. We returned to the bar and said goodbye. I sat down at a table and ordered a drink for myself. I left soon after Tar got back on stage. I casually waved goodbye. Sad little princess. Oh yeah, I forgot, while I was inside her I asked if she had any boyfriends. She said Thai men don’t like GoGo girls. I said what about a Farang boyfriend. She said no.

Now here is the thing.. Who is responsible for such poor service? I blame management. Look, from the moment you enter Rainbow 4, a costumer is given great service. They find you a table, take your order, and bring your drink in less than a minute. It is a well managed machine, and there must be 100 customers or more at 8-10pm. Try getting that level of service in an American or European bar. But management drops the ball the minute you bar fine the girl and take her out. That is wrong. They receive the bar fine. Therefore, the bar is responsible for the service the girl provides or does not provide. If I owned one of these bars, you better believe, I would make sure all my girls provided the best service imaginable. I would ask my customers for feedback or send in friends incognito to sample the girls and make sure everything is top notch.

So it has come to this: I can’t rely on getting a quality session at Rainbow bars. I have been frequenting Go Go’s since my first visit to BKK in 1989. On other visits to Rainbow, I have had very good experiences, but it has become hit or miss. Now, you can always get a dud now and then no matter where you go, but considering the prices and these statistics, I have come to the conclusion that oily massage + soapy massage parlors are the way to go. I still drop by Nana and Cowboy for a drink, and I still take girls out occasionally, but these days 80% of my business goes to the massage parlors.

Conclusion:

Rainbow 4 – this bar has the best selection of good looking girls in Nana. The bar rocks and service in the bar is amazing. Take out service is hit or miss. Take your chances.

Tar – a sad little princess. Face 9.5. Body 9.5 Pussy 5.0 (was a tad larger than I prefer). Service 4.

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[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]...Now here is the thing.. Who is responsible for such poor service? I blame management...[/QUOTE]
No, management is not to blame here.

The bar fine you paid was not for the girl's services, but only to compensate the bar for taking her away.

Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose with bar girls, but if she really was a 9.5 like you say, I would have paid her fee just for the privilege of eating her pussy.

[QUOTE=Illogic][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkEXfp-JTTE&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Epiatnight%2Ecom%2Fforums%2Findex%2Ephp%3Fshowtopic%3D26786%26st%3D0&feature=player_embedded[/url][/QUOTE]Although the Brit was an arsehole....sucker punch and run away...then two kicks while your man was out...wankers spring to mind.

I would love two minutes in the ring with those three!

Wish I knew how to use quotes. Apologies for sidetracking again, but the first few days in BKK and here in Pattaya just brings back so memories!

[quote=Old Thai Hand]I should post this in the "Racism" thread. But, you may not read it. Your experiences as a "kaek" are a good example of the Thais not being able to see past the ends of their noses. A good many of them are at least as dark, and have features quite similar to those they describe as "kaek", not least because many, unbeknownst to them have some Indian blood flowing through their veins from centuries of intimate cross-cultural interchange. Therefore, I always find it disturbing and amusing all at the same time that this particular prejudice persists.[/quote]Thanks OTH, it’s a situation that I have to shake my head over as well. But I do agree for the most part with bro Duniawala below – I’ve found that a good attitude goes a long way – I think I’m a pretty pleasant character. And the way that some of the Indian tourists carry themselves makes me cringe – being painted with same brush makes trips like this considerably less fun.

[quote=Duniawala]Having said that, I never had any problems anywhere in my travels around the world. In fact I am greeted warmly every time I go to my favorite bars and hotels in BKK.[/quote]I don't presume to know why all these Indian dudes(?) have the racism problems. Must be their attitudes and demeanors.

[quote=Nail The World]Two years ago I had my first mongering mission to Thailand which will also be my last. I am an East Indian origin guy based in California. It was an utterly disgusting experience. And I agree that part of the blame, a significant part I might say, is due to the behavior of "mongers" from that area. Whatever be the cause I found the situation to be irreparable.[/quote]But I really do get the frustration you feel, man. Walking down the streets in BKK or Pattaya is a relatively quiet, hassle-free experience for me, much to my disappointment. The thing is, I don’t even want to try to talk to a girl, even if she is pretty, because the first thing that would go through her head is that I am Indian, and the initial reaction of revulsion (guess I’m not as handsome as I think I am) is…offputting.

[quote=Redfield10]Last year I met an east Indian guy from California who wanted to hit a freelance place with me so I hung out with him. He treated the girls like total Shit![/quote]He was so rude and bad with them that they made fun of him and called Hi Ali Baba! He totally deserved it and when he left the girls told me "that's why we don't like Indians! "

Sigh. That guy you met is an A$$hat! E. One of my squeezes from way back told me the same thing – that was why she was not really keen on coming over to sit with me the first time I met her in Big Dog’s.

I got in to Rainbow 4! I walked up the door and asked them straight if I could go in. The security guy heard my accent, asked me if I was going to drink, and that was it. It was a big moment.

All the prices that have been mentioned recently about the "more prestigious" gogo bars seem to apply equally to everyone, I guess. The one I chose from Rainbow 4 was asked for B2000 ST and was initially trying to get me upstairs. She did come back to the hotel with me, stayed for about an hour, and she had a pretty good time. I did keep her phone number, if anyone wants, but I can't for the life of me remember her tag number. She's 31, tiny (<150cm). A spinner.

Looks 6.5, Attitude 9, Sex 7, but a good time.

My Hillary II bar story is a little strange, but I kind of liked there. On Saturday night the place was pretty packed, live band, pool tables, the crowd was enjoying themselves. Mainly freelancers, many guys with dates for the night. I think it closes at 2ish. The bar is on the right side of the soi as you head towards the Suk. As you head from the intersection it's about 400m in, with a sister bar on the opposite side of the road. As I was walking up Soi 4 towards the Suk, a girl who was walking out of one of the sidestreets said Hello, so I stopped to talk. She asked where I was going, and told me she was going to Gulliver's to meet her friend. I asked her if I could come, maybe buy a round for her and her friend and she agreed. But when we walked past Hillary II, she told me she wanted to go in there. She sat with me, had a few drinks, then said she wanted to go back to my hotel to drink more. Once we were in the room we talked a bit more, then she said that she had to go meet her friend to pick up her car. Then came the story about how she came to BKK to work at a factory, lost her job and now couldn't afford the car payment. She told me she needed B3000 by the next day, and asked if I could help her. She offered B1000, but I balked. The thing is, I would have been fine with B1000 if it didn't come with the story. She was pretty fun to hang out with, and cute too. After she left I even called her back, and she said that she would come back to my hotel, but never did. I kept her number, and I will try to set up a date with her when I get back to BKK. She said she was 23, quite cute. This is what you get when you actually try to talk to the girls. (Joking! ) Actually, I was thinking back to night I had here a few years ago, when a friend and I just sat at a bar on the Suk with a girl who was waiting for a friend to come back from an ST. We drank with her, her friend came, we drank some more, and took them up to my room for more drinks. They spent the night, even after we told them that we weren't planning on paying. That was a pretty good night.

Anyway, about her, you're welcome to have her phone number too, YMMV. Looks 7.5, Attitude 8.5 (even including the sob story)

A friend from work in Korea was also passing through BKK, and we arranged to meet on the first night and share a room. I booked at the new-smelling Ibis Nana, down soi 4 past the intersection of soi6. Internet rate was B1300/night, for a new but small and simple room. Hotel is GF, but not many Westerners there. It is popular Indian travellers, but there were also a number of Asian tourists and families. Overall rating 3/5.

My bright idea was to have him meet me in the Nana parking lot when he made it in from the airport. Not a good plan. At 2:30 in the morning I am standing here waiting for him, trying to explain to the girls who talk to me that I am really waiting for a friend, that it's a guy, not a girl, that I can't take her to my room because my friend and I are sharing, unless she's OK with that. When I did find him and we did some late night wandering, it was amusing to see the reaction. If he walked ahead of me, the girls would be eyeing him and calling out, but ignoring me. If I walked ahead, the girls would all be looking past me. He's Taiwanese-American, but someone even tried to talk to him in Japanese. So when we walk together I guess we really confuse people. A Japanese guy and an Indian guy hanging out. And then when we open our mouths and people can hear our North American accents it confuses them even more. I heard many comments as we passed by. He isn't into this scene, so he isn't really much fun to travel with. It might have something to do with his first time on the Suk, sitting at a street-side bar taking in the scene. He made eye contact with a girl who turned out to be a guy, who then proceeded to grab his package. The shock was doubled, first by the grab, then by the realization. So now he just avoids all eye contact and sprints through the crowds. He will enjoy when I take him to the gogo-bars on Wednesday night.

Anyway, there is a Nana Parking Lot girl to write about. She was there the first night when I was waiting to meet my friend. She didn't talk to me, but I spoke briefly with one of her friends. This girl is 23, natural, and pretty that way. Her look suits her, she doesn't need to be model-beautiful or glamorous to be attractive. The next night I saw her and asked about her friend. She remembered me from the previous night, and we started talking. She was really easy to talk to, good attitude, friendly and straightforward. ST was B1000, DFK/DATY/BBBJ (I chose that after she declined BBFS. I'm not as good as Bangkok Banger). I told her that she was welcome to stay longer, but she said she was going back to work. She gave me her number, and I said that I would call her later that night to see if she was bored and wanted another break. She said she would come back, and she did answer when I called, but she was with friends and said I should call her later this week when I get back to BKK. So I will.

Looks: 7.5 (but I really liked her look), Attitude 8.5, Sex 7.5

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[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]When I got back to BKK, I first went to Thonlor Massage parlor. I will submit a story on that at a later time. Suffice it to say I had a nice girl who gave me a great soapy shower massage, a naked blowjob, and 2 passionate lays in many positions before my time ran out. Nice. I save her a 500b tip.[/quote]Natty,

You should know better many post about bad attuide on gogo girl in this forum, The better looking the gogo girl the worst the attiude, I find gogo girl at soi cowboy and Pattaya have better attuide than nana girl, but you said you didn't even get an cbj that was a suprise to me.

Again gogo girl is a hit and miss just like massage girl in BKK, you are not going to get GFE every time.

Fast Eddie 48

recently spent about a week in bangkok... had lots of fun experiences which i thought i would include all together in one report.

bj bars

began with a visit to star of light for one of those wonderful bjs i had read about here… ended up taking two lovely ladies on the bench in the bar as i was taking a long time and didn’t want to wear them out. good time, and indeed, they were skillful, especially in comparison to what you get elsewhere… e.g., at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], which i had been to before, and returned to once again on this trip. on the theory that a heavy girl can sometimes deliver as good or better a bj than a hottie… i did not object to the girl assigned me as i entered [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. but i was disappointed by the service… she tried, but she lacked the range of techniques the two women at sol had so ably employed to bring me off… this one just wasn’t doing it for me.

another experience along these lines - playskool bar in soi cowbooy. tried out the naughty boys spot at the back of the bar. not as much fun as i had hoped, though - took me too long for the girls' taste, and i left unsatisfied... but there were some fun aspects to it if you like the public viewing.

o.k., so back to day 1: headed out later that night to soi cowboy, and then later to thermae coffee shop for late night selection. found a gem - in her 30s and had a beautiful body, a pleasant face, and a nice friendly attitude. she spoke decent english and could carry a conversation. agreed on a price and headed back for an outstanding couple of hours at my hotel. showered together, and received her undivided attention for the entire time she was there (including turning off her cell phone, thank you very much). saw her again a few nights later at thermae, but decided that variety is the spice of mongering life, so i passed her up for a late 20s girl named cat. nicely endowed, pretty body... cat was a lot of fun... and a turn on. couldn’t speak as much english, but we could converse in japanese, so it was ok. so far thermae was 2 for 2 for me ... tried another night but struck out - picked a girl entirely on innocent appearance, and she turned out to be a starfish...

clearly the key was patience and making sure i spent some time talking to them get a little feel for the attitude before agreeing...

soapies

decided i would spend some time at soapies - visited nataree late one afternoon based on good reports here. the scene there is unusual for the fishbowl experience - you walk in and sit in the viewing area... where there are also many women sitting - and there is also a glass behind which other women are sitting... papasan explained that the girls i was looking at behind the window offered body slide, whereas the others did not... selection of those offering body slide was much more limited, but found one i found visually appealing and who was making all the right smiling moves to me as well... (passed up dozens of very attractive younger girls sitting around in the viewing area). headed to the room and after ordering drinks, we settled down to bathing, a nice body slide with bbbj and covered fs on the mat, followed by more bathing fun... and finally by another round of fs on the bed. after resting a bit, she tried to make it happen again with a very nice bbbj, and we almost got there, but alas, time ran out. a really nice experience, though the mat play was not as skillful (or as detailed - e.g., no rimming) as i was used to from japanese soapies ... but still highly recommended if you have never had a sexy girl cover you with gel and rub herself all over you. (if you want the body slide experience make sure you select the gel massage). upon leaving around 6 pm, the number of lovely girls lining the walls of the greeting room had increased enormously – seemed like a few dozen were now around a hundred, but maybe i was just drooling too much.

another soapie experience was had at annie's. after all the buzz here about annie's i thought i should try it. mamasan asked me what i was looking for, and i explained i wanted good looking, and especially important is good service... so i declined a somewhat older woman who really didn't attract me (but who did provide "everything" - i.e., anal as well) in favor of her second recommendation for best service - #32 as i recall was the number. she certainly tried hard to please, and i had a good session... but not an outstanding one - she wasn't as much of a turn-on as the cutie from nataree was). but annie's is a lot cooler place. i felt comfortable hanging out there for a while chatting afterwards with the woman who worked cleaning the rooms - she told me had been working there for something like 30 years and lived in a room upstairs – the people at annies are like her family. though i didn’t have my best session there, i did have a good feeling about the place and the people there.

gogo bars

another couple of days i visited nana and cowboy. i had never barfined a girl at one of the gogo bars, so i decided to see what that would be like. i was a bit wary, because some of them are too aggressive for my taste in trying to get you to buy them drinks or barfine them; but i came to appreciate the opportunity to view the goods in advance - spent time at nana, but never saw anything i really wanted to invest in, so i came back to cowboy a few times and had a few beers at a number of the bars until i finally found what i wanted at cowboy ii. it happened like this: i was one of only a few guys at the bar – some places are a lot better at attracting crowds than others. but something about cowboy ii caught my eye – maybe the totally nude dancing helped? anyway, as i sat there, i came to realize that i was attracted to certain women for their bodies, but that many of them were clearly going through the motions of dancing (or weren't that good as dancers) – not very interesting. what could be sexy was not because of their detached, distant attitude. despite being one of the only ones in the bar (indeed, the only one on my side of it), it was hard to attract their gaze.

then i found one who was dancing very sensuously, actively trying to draw me into her dance. at first, i thought, sexy woman, but older less attractive face. small boobs, but certainly a trim and nice looking body. but the more she danced for me, the sexier she seemed – and with one exception of an incredibly good dancer there, she was far and above the sexiest dancer of the lot. we made lots of eye contact, and then when her time was up, she put some clothes on and came and joined me. no hard sell for drinks or bar fine, and good english skills. indeed, i appreciated the skillful seduction she performed on me… and barfined her after we had a few drinks together and some good conversation… and determining that she was interested. started out with st with no price negotiated (which i know is not always smart, but in this case was absolutely the right way) and then ended up having such a good time that i invited her to spend the night. she told me she is over 40 – which i believed based on the face, but she had the body of a 30 year old… and she was an incredible lover.

the next night i returned to soi cowboy thinking i would bring home another gogo girl – i liked the opportunity to view the body in advance and to see them dancing and chat a bit… my attitude had changed. but i didn’t want to go with her again, as my time was limited and i wanted variety… so i hung out at some other bars for a while, and was again taken in by the sexy dancing of some very beautiful girls – this time a lot younger – who also latched onto my gaze and didn’t let go… when their dance time was up, three of them came over to sit with me, but i only accepted the two i liked (the other one gave me the finger – nice). i knew i was in that space of finding them very sexy but not sure whether i would be likely to find good service or attitude, so i decided to feel it out. they wanted me to take both home, which had its appeal, so i asked whether they would do bbbj… honest answers came that they would not, so we parted on friendly terms. too bad, as they had great tits that i sorely wanted to fool with!

back café thermae

after hanging out at various of the bars on soi cowboy, i realized it wasn’t going to happen the same way for me that night, so i headed for thermae. ended up with a younger woman, nice boobs and thin… but i ran right into the very situation i had been trying to avoid (my own weakness for cute girls led me there)… mechanical service, uninterested in me, anxious to finish and get going… turned me off and i sent her packing… and then headed out to see what i might find. within a block of my hotel i ran into another woman i had talked with at thermae that night – again a bit older, but a knockout. not sure when i looked at her why i had passed her by – probably just too many choices to make her stand out. we chatted and within a minute we were heading back to my hotel room. she said she had fingered me for one who liked the younger girls, but knew that i would not be pleased by the one i had selected, as she has seen her many times, and she goes mostly with japanese guys. don’t get me wrong – i am not a japanese basher – indeed, have spent considerable time in japan and i like japanese guys, but some of the girls i have spoken with at thermae have them nailed for paying too much and not demanding good long service… so these girls divide the world into girls who focus on the japanese as customers (and who appeal to typical japanese guys, especially those with a taste for cuter young girls with lighter skin), and those who do not. they think – and they may be right – that the ones who work hard to attract the japanese customers are less likely to provide good service.

anyway, we headed back and she showed me a proper good time. name nok (i ran about 3:1 in forgetting names, but for some reason, nok remained… maybe because she had really good knockers- indeed, fabulous ones, though clearly bolt-ons. don’t really love the idea of bolt-ons, but every now and then i meet some that convince me to reconsider. nok had a set like that. she also had a great attitude… pleasing me was what mattered, and she made sure it happened the right way – i.e., whatever way i wanted. a wonderful ending to my stay in bangkok!

well, i’m sure i am leaving something out, but this is a pretty good summary of my time (at least the mongering part!) in bangkok. one thing i have reconfirmed from my time here in bangkok is that the standard preference expressed by a lot of guys for younger girls who fit the model stereotype only works for me at the visual level - i like the eye candy as much as the next guy, and the younger girls (i mean 20-25) can look great, but they also tend to be less interested in providing good service, or in responding well to the needs of different customers. there are, of course exceptions, and i keep hoping to find them. but this seems to be a good generalization from my experience this trip and elsewhere. the preference for the younger ones that look hot can be somewhat self-defeating. that, of course, is also a function of the fact that i am not a 20-something guy, and want something more than i am sure i wanted when i was 20...

well, hope you are having as much fun as i had, even when things didn't go perfectly! bangkok really is an incredible place!

Can anybody provide any details on this establishment. A friend suggested I go there on my next visit but it looks like that it is more focused on Asian customers than farangs. Any idea about costs, food quality and what the deal is with the hostesses if you take a fancy to one. Local input appreciated.

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Natty,

The better looking the gogo girl the worst the attiude, I find gogo girl at soi cowboy and Pattaya have better attuide than nana girl.

Again gogo girl is a hit and miss just like massage girl in BKK, you are not going to get GFE every time.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]So true. Still I love beauty and I will always seek it out. The reward comes when you find a beautiful girl who also possesses a good attitude. In the first part of my "tale of two go go’s" I reported on an experience I had with a little hottie from Baccara. That session was very nice, although I have had much better at some massage parlors. And as you pointed out, it's always hit or miss no matter where you go. The point is that some places have a higher percentage of hits than misses. There is also another factor not mentioned so far and that is the chemistry between you and the girl. If the girl does not like you, professional though she is, end of story.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose with bar girls, but if she really was a 9.5 like you say, I would have paid her fee just for the privilege of eating her pussy.[/QUOTE]Hi Daddy07,

I got a kick out of your bold gung-ho of point of view. I wish I was as brave as you. Many many times I have wanted to dive on in, but I have two rules and so far I have stuck by those rules. Actually I had 3 rules, but rule #3 was broken the first time a girl from Angel Massage unexpectantly went down on me – BBBJ. It felt so good that I have never honored that rule since.

As to the girl, believe me, she had that special something. Call it radiant beauty. Hands down she was one of the best looking Thai girls I ever had sex with, and I have had sex with a lot of good looking Thai girls. But her pussy was a little too big – too much wear and tear. I had no desire go down on her. Too bad she didn’t go down on me!

But that reminds me of a girl I met at Rose Bar in Pnomm Penh. A real honey. I’m still thinking about her and it has been 3 months. Now that petite little thing with her perfect little tities, her perfectly proportioned ass, and her tight pussy gave me hours of passionate sex – now that girl I wanted to go down on. But did not! Call me chicken shit or prudent, I don’t care.

Stew,

Thanks for the nice detailed Bangkok post. I was also in town a couple of weeks ago, and was surprised with how many good looking girls were at Thermae- that place has picked up again.

Other places that I thought had girls with good service levels were the Nana parking lot, and of course, Eden Club.

My two gogo experiences were disappointing- hottest girls, but poorest services- both mechanical, and anxious to get back to the bar.

Natty- I think I blame us, the punter, more than the bar owner. After all, he's just trying to optimize what he makes- getting in good looking girls who only go out for short time is the best way to do that, given that most people in the bar are tourists.

We just need to ask for what we want, and just say no if we aren't going to get it, instead of thinking with the little head. Ask her if she BBBJ's and/or french kisses and/or likes sex. Most likely if she tells you no to 2 out of 3, you know what the experience is going to be like back in the hotel- just move on!

i'm going to thailand tomorrow (can't wait).

i'm already used to the star of light, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], soi coiwboy, nana etc etc etc.

thing is, i had a trip to frankfurt recently and went to an fkk club (the palace), my tastes being what they are, i spent an afternoon banging mostly thai chicks anyway.

my question is: are there any establishments in bkk that are fkk style? ie girls walking around naked without the neon and the banging tunes? where you can relax for a while before sloping off to a room or better still, taking part in some public exhibitionism.

don't get me wrong, i absolutely love thailand and this will be be my 7th trip, i just loved the relaxed ambience of the german fkk club. if there were such a thing in bkk, i would be one happy monger!

any help would be appreciated!

pompoy

Very well written report, thanks, Stew2!! And the trade-off between very young and stunning versus around 30 and great provider is also quite real. My fav age right now is 27 ;)

[QUOTE=Stew2] A really nice experience, though the mat play was not as skillful (or as detailed - e.g., no rimming) as I was used to from Japanese soapies ... but still highly recommended if you have never had a sexy girl cover you with gel and rub herself all over you. (If you want the body slide experience make sure you select the gel massage). [/QUOTE]Here you mean soapies in Japan, or Japan-themed soapies in Bangkok? Try out Akane next time you come, you get the gel, the rimming, heavenly HJs, usually very good BJs... just FS is a very rare exception. I had a great time with a 31 year old, classy looking girl in Akane soi 33 recently.

If the soapies in Japan give you the stuff that these Japanese porn movies show, and if you can actually get into a soapie and get this kind of service, then that alone would be a reason to go to Japan! Do they?

[QUOTE=Centaurus]If the soapies in Japan give you the stuff that these Japanese porn movies show, and if you can actually get into a soapie and get this kind of service, then that alone would be a reason to go to Japan! Do they?[/QUOTE]... but you did ask.

I'm a regular visitor to Japan, but frankly now never bother with the 'fun' side. My sense is that if you aren't Japanese or at the very least speak passable Japanese, then you will not get into any of the best clubs. And if you do get in, you will pay an arm and a leg, and another arm, for a limited service.

I did go with one girl after a couple of cuties approached me in the street. The girl in the room however was not so cute and spoke very little English (she was Korean). I claimed confusion over the agreed price and ended up paying half what we had agreed. I can't remember how much but this was a year ago when Tokyo was just expensive, as opposed to unaffordable. Now I just save my money and spend it in Bangkok. Much better value.

I'm not saying you can't have fun in Japan, but personally I think it is just not worth the bother.

[QUOTE=Andy Abs]Although the Brit was an arsehole....sucker punch and run away...then two kicks while your man was out...wankers spring to mind.

I would love two minutes in the ring with those three![/QUOTE]Hahaha. Knocked that asshole brit out. Maybe he shouldn't be such a prick the next time he is in another country

[QUOTE=Stew2]Recently spent about a week in Bangkok... had lots of fun experiences which I thought I would include all together in one report.
[/QUOTE]

Stew2 - you've become quite the expert since our meeting up at Giotto's two years back :)

Enjoyed reading your FR(s)....

Arrived Bangkok airport 7am, after dropping my bag off at Soi 11 citadines, made my way by BTS to Patpong II. Arrived Star of light. It was open and only two girls arrived though. Took advantage by getting both of them naked with me on the couch. Girls name were Pen and Rabbit. Both excellent oral skills. After 20 or so minutes blew a substantial wad in Rabbit's mouth. Both girls were cute and I would have fucked either of them no problem. Service was first rate. I stayed and had a couple beers with Pen afterwards. She is pretty cute. Spend 1600 baht or so.

2pm. Made my way down to soi 7/1. Never been to Eden before. Time to give it a try. European guy was very helpful but the left of the line was not very appealing. EVen the right of the line was only so-so. Picked the best from the right of the line. Let me get this straight, if you are new to mongering, the experience would be out of this world, but in truth, I have had better impromptu 3-somes in PI and HK. The service satisfied me, 2 shots, but it felt mechanical and I probably wouldn't return. Spend 3600 baht

9pm. Went to Nana Plaza. Rainbow 4. Just one beer. Number 41 looked very cute but she was on her way out.

Went to Spanky's. Barfined number 21(I think). Went up the escalator on the other side. New ST place. Hollywood Inn I think. Expensive at 400 baht ST, but nice rooms. Nice than upstairs on the other side anyway.

I have fucked this girl before and she is a great fuck. Bor, cute spinner type, small tits, braces, cute round face, tight little body. Her stamina is exceptional. She fucked me on top for a long time. We swapped and I came inside her in Mish. All in all a top class fuck. Spend 600 BF 1500 ST

Sunday. Had a look in to Beer Garden soi 7 at around 11am. Not much action. Chatted to the best looking girl there called Nan, took her number but it was turned off when I rang her later that day. Ah well.

Off to soi 26 at 12 noon. Angels. Picked Daw, nice looking girl, better than her photos. Large sexy tattoo on her back. Nice energetic fuck, went on for a long time, I finished on her tits. WOuld see her again. Good fuck. Spend 1900

8pm. Off to soi cowboy:

Shark. Quiet at this hour, not much on offer, left after 1 beer.

Rawhide. Picked a young girl who didn't speak much English. Da- bit of a tummy, small acne scars on her face, lovely pert titties. Went upstairs at the penny black next door. Not too bad but not cheap 450 B. Bar fine was 600 I think plus 1500ST.

Da started out quite shy, she was a bit body conscious with her face and small belly. But once warmed up she was actually my favourite fuck of the weekend. We fucked for nearly 2 hours on and off and I got a couple of shots in. She turned into a real GFE. SHe came quite easily and couldn't get enough dick in the end. I would BF her again definitely, probably LT next time.

After finished, went into Suzie Wong for the lesbian show and a couple more beers. Some nice girls in there. Then home to Soi 11 to bed and an early flight this morning.

Kamagra utilised on trip: 1.5 pills.

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I have a friend who recommended that I experience this restaurant. Looks like more of an Asian place how about for farangs? What are the costs and possibilities with the hostesses later . Any feedback appreciated.

[QUOTE=Chacantonio999]Hahaha. Knocked that asshole brit out. Maybe he shouldn't be such a prick the next time he is in another country[/QUOTE]
That guy totally got what he deserved! Thais fight dirty! Gotta love it!

[QUOTE=FriendlyPlanet]We just need to ask for what we want, and just say no if we aren't going to get it, instead of thinking with the little head. Ask her if she BBBJ's and/or french kisses and/or likes sex. Most likely if she tells you no to 2 out of 3, you know what the experience is going to be like back in the hotel- just move on![/QUOTE]This is very good advice. And I admit I let my guard down a little bit. I was on a winning streak throughout my trip to Cambodia and the BKK massage parlors so I just assumed I would get great service from this beautiful GO GO princess. We talked and she seemed very nice and friendly. Still I do not entirely regret my time with her. She was very very pretty and I rated the session a 5 out of ten. Everyone has had worse experiences.

When I am in a place like Amsterdam I always ask the girl what she will do in return for my 50eu. The time to negotiate is before you make the commitment.

[QUOTE=Pompoy]
Thing is, I had a trip to Frankfurt recently and went to an FKK club (The Palace), my tastes being what they are, I spent an afternoon banging mostly Thai chicks anyway.[/QUOTE]

I am not aware of any places like FKK in BKK but I sure wish I could hook up with Didi again without having to go to FRA to do so.

[QUOTE=Chacantonio999]Hahaha. Knocked that asshole brit out. Maybe he shouldn't be such a prick the next time he is in another country[/QUOTE] I hope you never get attacked or mugged here! I have worked the doors a long time. And have developed a sense of fair play. I don't like to see cowards take advantage of assholes or not.

I had the misfortune of running into some trouble once whilst out with my wife. The difference was when I nailed this so called hard man the rest of his mates decided they had just changed friends. Question for you. Brit asshole. Have you a problem with the English?

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]...But that reminds me of a girl I met at Rose Bar in Pnomm Penh. A real honey. I’m still thinking about her and it has been 3 months. Now that petite little thing with her perfect little tities, her perfectly proportioned ass, and her tight pussy gave me hours of passionate sex – now that girl I wanted to go down on. But did not! Call me chicken shit or prudent, I don’t care.[/QUOTE]
OK, I'd call you "chicken shit" for that. :D

[QUOTE=Chacantonio999]Hahaha. Knocked that asshole brit out. Maybe he shouldn't be such a prick the next time he is in another country[/QUOTE]Continuing the fight theme, here are some dumb ass drunk Yanks causing problems in Samui. Getting a good kicking as well it seems.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CwrxMOLqB0[/url]

[QUOTE=Centaurus]Very well written report, thanks, Stew2!! And the trade-off between very young and stunning versus around 30 and great provider is also quite real. My fav age right now is 27 ;)

Here you mean soapies in Japan, or Japan-themed soapies in Bangkok? Try out Akane next time you come, you get the gel, the rimming, heavenly HJs, usually very good BJs... just FS is a very rare exception. I had a great time with a 31 year old, classy looking girl in Akane soi 33 recently.

If the soapies in Japan give you the stuff that these Japanese porn movies show, and if you can actually get into a soapie and get this kind of service, then that alone would be a reason to go to Japan! Do they?[/QUOTE]

Thanks Centaurus - I actually meant the soapies in Japan. Much of that scene is not accessible to foreigners, but in the past when I experienced it, some was. Some is also extremely expensive, but not all. And, of course, not all offer the same level of great service. Nonetheless, the body rubbing on the mat part was always better in the soaps I went to in Japan...

next time I will check out Akane. Thanks for the tip!

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Stew2 - you've become quite the expert since our meeting up at Giotto's two years back :)

Enjoyed reading your FR(s)....[/QUOTE]

Ha ha Traveler - right in every detail but one - perpetual amateur here, trying to learn a lesson or two along the way!

Didn't make it to Giotto's this time... maybe next trip!

[QUOTE=Shagga 19]I have a friend who recommended that I experience this restaurant. Looks like more of an Asian place how about for farangs? What are the costs and possibilities with the hostesses later. Any feedback appreciated.[/QUOTE]Shagga,

There are 2 no hand place in Bangkok that I know of both are very expensive, Privilege No Hand Restaurant near nana and galaxy plaza no hand rama IV rd.

It cater for Chinese and local bussiness man, my customer bring me to Galaxy 8 yr ago 5 of us we each have 2 girl to service us, 5 course dinner and drink is 15,500 bht, there are a massage place and KTV in the complex also, no sure if the girl will go with customer didn't ask, they are old and average not good for eating.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=The Pro]Continuing the fight theme, here are some dumb ass drunk Yanks causing problems in Samui. Getting a good kicking as well it seems.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CwrxMOLqB0[/url][/QUOTE]
Nice footage. I love seeing farang getting their asses kicked by Thais.

Hey all,

Just found out from the boss that I'm stopping in BKK for a day or 2 next week. I've read loads on all the forums here and am staying at a hotel near soi cowboy (which ironically work chose for me). But I've never been to Thailand before and will be on my own.

Thks for the wealth of information in all the posts. But if anyone can suggest anywhere to go that would be fantastic. In particular where's good for an early/mid afternoon 'session'. And what's the best chance if you are a fan of 'anal' pleasures.

I think the hotel I'm at is GF. But if you take someone from one of the gogo bars. Is it acceptable to take them back to the hotel

Cheers,

OZ

[url]http://www.empflix.com/view.php?id=48409[/url]

One of the hottest thai women I have ever seen. Looks more Korean?

If this post not acceptable, my apologies

[QUOTE=Ozzy1]I've read loads on all the forums here ..... In particular where's good for an early/mid afternoon 'session'. And what's the best chance if you are a fan of 'anal' pleasures.
[/QUOTE]

Go the massage threads, search "Eden" and "Tulips"

[QUOTE=Wayne Roberts][url]http://www.empflix.com/view.php?id=48409[/url]

One of the hottest thai women I have ever seen. Looks more Korean?

If this post not acceptable, my apologies[/QUOTE]She is super hot. Do you know anything about her?

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Nice footage. I love seeing farang getting their asses kicked by Thais.[/QUOTE]Why is that then.? Funny thing really. When I lived in the UK I never see this phenomena before. Thais kicking Farang asses. Wonder why? . Maybe it could be the fact there weren't thirty of his mates behind him.

[QUOTE=Andy Abs]Why is that then.? Funny thing really. When I lived in the UK I never see this phenomena before. Thais kicking Farang asses. Wonder why? . Maybe it could be the fact there weren't thirty of his mates behind him.[/QUOTE]
Exactly my point. It's like a giant chaotic frenzy. They come out of the woodwork! It's quite humorous to watch.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]Now here is the thing.. Who is responsible for such poor service? I blame management. Therefore, the bar is responsible for the service the girl provides or does not provide. If I owned one of these bars, you better believe, I would make sure all my girls provided the best service imaginable. I would ask my customers for feedback or send in friends incognito to sample the girls and make sure everything is top notch.

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I generally agree but can imagine that trying to maintain quality control would be a nightmare. You would spend a lifetime having to deal with annoyed customers who wanted their barfine back. But - ya if I was an owner of a go-go bar I would make sure that every girl knew she had to do the basics - kiss, uncovered smoke and covered boom-boom - and if customers came back saying they didn't do so they would be fined or fired. As to level of enthusiasm that is a bit difficult to measure. I would also tell the girls to try showing a little personality on stage and try making eye contact. This is really for their benefit as well as they would get repeat customers. And being a conoisseur of the good smoke I would have new girls trained by girls who really know their buisness. I think if a go-go bar got a reputation as providing good service from all the girls by mgt decree it would do really well. I have had such a high pct of mediocre experiences with Bangkok go-go girls (as opposed to Pattaya ones where they are almost always good) that I have become gun shy and just stick with freelancers. I'd rather go down a notch or two in looks and have a great time than just do a trophy screw that I know will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off. I am at the age now that I need some feedback from the girls - a girl no matter how beautiful that lies there like a piece of plywood just doesn't do it for me any more.

[QUOTE=DRRonin]I generally agree but can imagine that trying to maintain quality control would be a nightmare. You would spend a lifetime having to deal with annoyed customers who wanted their barfine back. But - ya if I was an owner of a go-go bar I would make sure that every girl knew she had to do the basics - kiss, uncovered smoke and covered boom-boom - and if customers came back saying they didn't do so they would be fined or fired. As to level of enthusiasm that is a bit difficult to measure. I would also tell the girls to try showing a little personality on stage and try making eye contact. This is really for their benefit as well as they would get repeat customers. And being a conoisseur of the good smoke I would have new girls trained by girls who really know their buisness. I think if a go-go bar got a reputation as providing good service from all the girls by mgt decree it would do really well. I have had such a high pct of mediocre experiences with Bangkok go-go girls (as opposed to Pattaya ones where they are almost always good) that I have become gun shy and just stick with freelancers. I'd rather go down a notch or two in looks and have a great time than just do a trophy screw that I know will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off. I am at the age now that I need some feedback from the girls - a girl no matter how beautiful that lies there like a piece of plywood just doesn't do it for me any more.[/QUOTE]

You should open a bar and see how long you can keep up with your ideas of a good bar. There will be complaining mongers even if you run a decent bar. Girls will complain also.
The whole concept of adult entertainment is making customers part with their money by promising a lot and delivering less. The girls also do not want any damage to their body because they know the desirability will be short time span.
Try giving a decent drink , not watered down drink. Your liquor bill will be sky high. Only casinoes can do this.

[QUOTE=DRRonin]I generally agree but can imagine that trying to maintain quality control would be a nightmare.[/QUOTE]I did not say it would be easy. This is a business and it takes hard work, know how, and the right incentives in place to get things rolling smoothly.

[QUOTE=DRRonin] You would spend a lifetime having to deal with annoyed customers who wanted their barfine back.[/QUOTE]Again it takes a certain talent – a genius if you will for separating out outrageous unwarranted customer demands from reasonable complaints. All good restaurant and hotel managers possess this skill.

[QUOTE=DRRonin] But. Ya if I was an owner of a go-go bar I would make sure that every girl knew she had to do the basics. Kiss, uncovered smoke and covered boom-boom. And if customers came back saying they didn't do so they would be fined or fired.[/QUOTE]I would say that if a girl received more than 3 complaints per month she should be penalized. What about my idea to send in friends incognito and tell the owner who did and who did not deliver the goods. And the bar should provide the right incentives (benefits/compensation packages) so that the last thing a girl would want is to be fired and have to work somewhere else.

[QUOTE=DRRonin] I would also tell the girls to try showing a little personality on stage and try making eye contact. This is really for their benefit as well as they would get repeat customers. And being a connoisseur of the good smoke I would have new girls trained by girls who really know their business. I think if a go-go bar got a reputation as providing good service from all the girls by mgt decree it would do really well.[/QUOTE]This is key: "if a go-go bar got a reputation as providing good service from all the girls by mgt decree it would do really well". This is one of my main points and why I submitted my report in the first place.

And this is more or less my second main point:

[QUOTE=DRRonin] I have had such a high pct of mediocre experiences with Bangkok go-go girls (as opposed to Pattaya ones where they are almost always good) that I have become gun shy and just stick with freelancers. I'd rather go down a notch or two in looks and have a great time than just do a trophy screw that I know will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off. I am at the age now that I need some feedback from the girls. A girl no matter how beautiful that lies there like a piece of plywood just doesn't do it for me anymore.[/QUOTE]I don’t want to go down a level in the looks department, but more and more I visit the massage parlors where the level of performance is higher and more consistent. On my next trip to BKK I will spend most of my fooling around time with massage girls. Next, I plan to delve deeper into the hostess bar scene. There are hundreds of little hostess bars up and down the soi’s off Sukumvit like soi 33 + soi 22. I want to find a couple of really good ones. Last, I will still go to a few Go Go’s. I have not completely written them off. Sometimes I like going to them, getting a couple of beers, and watching the girls. And if I see a girl that really appeals to me I will buy her a drink, talk to her and maybe take her out.

In ’89, ’92, and ‘96 100% of my exploits took place in Go Gos. Today that percentage is down to 20-25%. It’s just my opinion but that should tell you something about the state of BKK Go Go’s 2009.

P. S. Anybody remember tha Ben Gazzara movie from the 80's where he ran a brothel in the Philippines. "Saint Jack". Pretty cool movie.

[QUOTE=DRRonin]I have had such a high pct of mediocre experiences with Bangkok go-go girls (as opposed to Pattaya ones where they are almost always good) that I have become gun shy and just stick with freelancers. I'd rather go down a notch or two in looks and have a great time than just do a trophy screw that I know will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off. [/QUOTE]
You're not the only one! Why is it that bkk bar girls suck in bed? Is it because of all the 3-3-3's in town? Do the girls think they are the s**** becuase they are working in bkk? Is it because they get away with collecting outrageous fees from newbie mongers who just got to bkk and need to blow their wads?

Which is why "long stay" farangs in Bangkok always use Massage places.

You get to choose from a photo book or line up. You choose when you are sober. If you do not like the girl you can change her. You get showered before and after in the place itself.

The price is fixed at 1500B.

You pay the money and you walk out fucked and showered and feeling good.

You can enjoy your evening without "beer goggles" on desperatly searching for a girl to take home before you pass out. You get to sleep when you want to and wake up when you want to, eat breakfast when you want to and do what you want in the morning. You do not have to worry about anything being stolen in the room, or her guzzling your minibar.

Go massage, its where the sensible people go, and us crazy ones too.

[QUOTE=DRRonin]I generally agree but can imagine that trying to maintain quality control would be a nightmare. You would spend a lifetime having to deal with annoyed customers who wanted their barfine back. But - ya if I was an owner of a go-go bar I would make sure that every girl knew she had to do the basics - kiss, uncovered smoke and covered boom-boom - and if customers came back saying they didn't do so they would be fined or fired. As to level of enthusiasm that is a bit difficult to measure. I would also tell the girls to try showing a little personality on stage and try making eye contact. This is really for their benefit as well as they would get repeat customers. And being a conoisseur of the good smoke I would have new girls trained by girls who really know their buisness. I think if a go-go bar got a reputation as providing good service from all the girls by mgt decree it would do really well. I have had such a high pct of mediocre experiences with Bangkok go-go girls (as opposed to Pattaya ones where they are almost always good) that I have become gun shy and just stick with freelancers. I'd rather go down a notch or two in looks and have a great time than just do a trophy screw that I know will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off. I am at the age now that I need some feedback from the girls - a girl no matter how beautiful that lies there like a piece of plywood just doesn't do it for me any more.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=The Pro]
Go massage, its where the sensible people go, and us crazy ones too.[/QUOTE]

I don't disagree with you, and I do find myself going to those places more and more inspite of the high price, but there is one huge drawback: The girl's vaginas are always pretty 'saap' - they have sex too much and thus are easily irritated. So a real vigorous wet bang is very rare in a massage parlour, in my experience.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I don't disagree with you, and I do find myself going to those places more and more inspite of the high price, but there is one huge drawback: The girl's vaginas are always pretty 'saap' - they have sex too much and thus are easily irritated. So a real vigorous wet bang is very rare in a massage parlour, in my experience.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Pussies are very dry and the girls are rarely excited, but the service is usually very good.

[quote=the pro]which is why "long stay" farangs in bangkok always use massage places.

you get to choose from a photo book or line up. you choose when you are sober. if you do not like the girl you can change her. you get showered before and after in the place itself.

the price is fixed at 1500b.

you pay the money and you walk out fucked and showered and feeling good.

you can enjoy your evening without "beer goggles" on desperatly searching for a girl to take home before you pass out. you get to sleep when you want to and wake up when you want to, eat breakfast when you want to and do what you want in the morning. you do not have to worry about anything being stolen in the room, or her guzzling your minibar.

go massage, its where the sensible people go, and us crazy ones too.[/quote]while somewhat trite. my thinking is you don't pay for the sex, you pay to have her leave. love los, having just returned to the states after a short visit, my eighth or ninth i think. tried [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s for the first time. now this is my cup of tea.$20 bucks for a no questions/complications asked bbbj from a really cute 18 y. o. girl at 4:30 in the afternoon while drinking a beer. problem? no problem!

[QUOTE=The Pro]Which is why "long stay" farangs in Bangkok always use Massage places.

You get to choose from a photo book or line up. You choose when you are sober. If you do not like the girl you can change her. You get showered before and after in the place itself.

The price is fixed at 1500B.

You pay the money and you walk out fucked and showered and feeling good.

You can enjoy your evening without "beer goggles" on desperatly searching for a girl to take home before you pass out. You get to sleep when you want to and wake up when you want to, eat breakfast when you want to and do what you want in the morning. You do not have to worry about anything being stolen in the room, or her guzzling your minibar.

Go massage, its where the sensible people go, and us crazy ones too.[/QUOTE]

Or you can make a choice of being a handicapped drunk, passing out, or clear thinking monger.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]When I got back to BKK, I first went to Thonlor

So it has come to this: I can’t rely on getting a quality session at Rainbow bars. I have been frequenting Go Go’s since my first visit to BKK in 1989. On other visits to Rainbow, I have had very good experiences, but it has become hit or miss. Now, you can always get a dud now and then no matter where you go, but considering the prices and these statistics, I have come to the conclusion that oily massage + soapy massage parlors are the way to go. I still drop by Nana and Cowboy for a drink, and I still take girls out occasionally, but these days 80% of my business goes to the massage parlors.

Conclusion:

Rainbow 4 – this bar has the best selection of good looking girls in Nana. The bar rocks and service in the bar is amazing. Take out service is hit or miss. Take your chances.

Tar – a sad little princess. Face 9.5. Body 9.5 Pussy 5.0 (was a tad larger than I prefer). Service 4.


In almost all of the majority Thai visited massage parlors, you will have an A experience 90% of the time or more...the gals there are told by the managers what is expected and what customers want, and they provide, otherwise, they wouldn't be working there...from what i have been told by the gals too, the conditions are far better than working in the gogos...i stopped with go gos a long long time ago...at minimum, absolute minimum of 1500 baht ST (in a crappy 3-400B ST room if it is on premises), plus another 600 bar fine, plus at least one lady drink and one customer drink, you have already spent far more than anything even some of the top class massage places offer....if you want conversation, stick to the freelancers, and there certainly are tons of freelancers who look on par with go go gals if one makes the effort, or else hit the massage joints..i'd be all in favor of a go go boycott

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I agree. Pussies are very dry and the girls are rarely excited, but the service is usually very good.[/QUOTE]

I won't go so far as to say those two characterizations are mutually exclusive, but I have come to expect excitement and wet pussies due to frequenting mostly beach road freelancers for years (however freelancers in Bangkok are mostly in my experience no good, particularly for the price).

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I agree. Pussies are very dry and the girls are rarely excited, but the service is usually very good.[/QUOTE]The pussies are dry because the soapy girls shower and take baths all day long.

Hello,

first of all let me apologize for this post. I know this just sounds ignorant, I know as a senior member I should take my time to do proper research instead of just asking this question, but I just got booked for tomorrow for one night in BK. My first one (am familiar with SH, Seoul, TP, SP and others). As I am travelling alone, don't know anything about BK and have no time left to RTFF before my flight I just need a little newbie help to find action:

- What is the process in the go go bars? Which is the best? Where is it?

- Which is the recommended MP and again where to find?
- Maybe there are any newbie posts you can recommend?

I am staying in the SIAM CITY HOTEL BANGKOK and are looking for beautiful companion for the night even if more expensive. Also considered escort but I am not sure if there is real need or if I can easily find action by myself.

For comparison: In SH I prefer Saunas, in Seoul Room Salons...

Thanks a lot and I will of course report on my experience!

If it were me I would forgo the go go bars and go to soi 33 of sumkumvit. Many things to do on the street, but no go go bars. Check out the Artists bars, the office or Livingstones bar. These are hostess bars. There are some massage parlors on the street also. I am sure you can go to Cowboy ad find something but I don't think the quality is there compared to Soi 33.
Anyway good luck. Prices are higher on Soi 33 than cowboy or Nana ** which is going down hill fast(

[QUOTE=Mackin]If it were me I would forgo the go go bars and go to soi 33 of sumkumvit. Many things to do on the street, but no go go bars. Check out the Artists bars, the office or Livingstones bar. These are hostess bars. There are some massage parlors on the street also. I am sure you can go to Cowboy ad find something but I don't think the quality is there compared to Soi 33.

Anyway good luck. Prices are higher on Soi 33 than cowboy or Nana ** which is going down hill fast ([/QUOTE]Agreed that 33 is a good option for one night. Maybe Novotel or Spasso also if you prefer FL.

Happy hunting.

I was in Soi 33 in late May. For two nights running I tried, and on both all artist bars, Office etc were dead. Barely any customers, and few girls. Found one lovely though who spent a few days with me. She said it was the same most nights.

Office was a favourite of mine. Non-pushy, generally attractive girls that didn't look the working girl part when you took them out. And sport on the TVs. But, alas, it was barely worth walking in this time.

Guess it's just a matter of time before things pick up again, but let's hope it's sooner rather than later.

Soi Cowboy was, however, heaving as usual.

AL

[QUOTE=Autumn Lover]I was in Soi 33 in late May. [/QUOTE]

Watch some of the 33 bars, some are known to pad the bill, add extra drinks, girls get drinks which you did not agree to. There was a list before posted that listed a few to watch, I know I never had a problem at Powleys, Office or LL with the bar bills.

Some others I had massive problems with before.

Thanks for this, I am boarding the plane now. I hope I can find these places easily... More is of course welcome! (also as PM)

Joyo

You sounds like a guy, who just have to walk in to one the go-go's in Cowboy, Nana or Patpong, make your pick, talk a little bit to see if you think she's gonna give you what you want, and find your hotel together.

You can find the places on the maps.

Good luck, my friend

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Watch some of the 33 bars, some are known to pad the bill, add extra drinks, girls get drinks which you did not agree to. There was a list before posted that listed a few to watch, I know I never had a problem at Powleys, Office or LL with the bar bills.

Some others I had massive problems with before.[/QUOTE]


If you are concerned with the joint padding the bill, why not just pay for each round as you get it. It may be a little more inconvenient, but it sure beats paying over the odds for drinks you don't get or didn't order.

I realise that this is a little obvious, but sometimes it needs to be reminded. I totally enjoyed my time at the end of last year in Bangkok and Pattaya but always kept a close eye on the tabs and paid as I went. Admittedly a bit more difficult when you're pissed and horny . . .

Just my 2c

Cheers

Expatcat

[QUOTE=Expatcat]If you are concerned with the joint padding the bill, why not just pay for each round as you get it. It may be a little more inconvenient, but it sure beats paying over the odds for drinks you don't get or didn't order. [/QUOTE]

Well that's obvious... I've been going to Soi 33 for many years and just warned him which ones were usually / mostly / always for me on the up and up without coming out and publicly bashing places like Renoir and others... where I've had them try to play multiple games on the bills.

[QUOTE=Expatcat]If you are concerned with the joint padding the bill, why not just pay for each round as you get it. It may be a little more inconvenient, but it sure beats paying over the odds for drinks you don't get or didn't order.

I realise that this is a little obvious, but sometimes it needs to be reminded. I totally enjoyed my time at the end of last year in Bangkok and Pattaya but always kept a close eye on the tabs and paid as I went. Admittedly a bit more difficult when you're pissed and horny . . .

Just my 2c

Cheers

Expatcat[/QUOTE]
Before the food, beverage or service is served/rendered get a price. These people will demand 700bht on the bill in the end for a plate of stir fried vegetables you asked to accompany the 300bht red snapper you just got weighed&priced out of the tank. I had them once try to charge me the equiv of $20USD for a manicure for the pooying du jour on the beach at jomtien because I did not ask up front. I paid for the vegtables but not the manicure. Offered them 200 bht or nothing and there were no cops around so I skated for NOTHING. NEVER EAT ON SUK, because a fancy restauant is cheaper and the hoze and street rif raf will work you. The ho will order a 300bht bacardi cooler and you will end up with a $30USD bill for a shit meal and a couple of drinks. Better to ditch the gash and eat at Foodland alone. NEVER CLOSE A CAB DOOR, unless you know the driver can sah-peak angrit and acknowleges he knows where you want go go and the meter is running.
HOWEVER, if the dude is on the level, I will pay double fare sometimes if it is a long ride in traffic (usually the case). The deaf aholes selling phony art on suk will point to their mouths for food after you buy art. I point at my groin while smiling and nodding. These people look at generosity as a weakness.

[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]Before the food, beverage or service is served/rendered get a price. These people will demand 700bht on the bill in the end for a plate of stir fried vegetables you asked to accompany the 300bht red snapper you just got weighed&priced out of the tank. I had them once try to charge me the equiv of $20USD for a manicure for the pooying du jour on the beach at jomtien because I did not ask up front. I paid for the vegtables but not the manicure. Offered them 200 bht or nothing and there were no cops around so I skated for NOTHING. NEVER EAT ON SUK, because a fancy restauant is cheaper and the hoze and street rif raf will work you. The ho will order a 300bht bacardi cooler and you will end up with a $30USD bill for a shit meal and a couple of drinks. Better to ditch the gash and eat at Foodland alone. NEVER CLOSE A CAB DOOR, unless you know the driver can sah-peak angrit and acknowleges he knows where you want go go and the meter is running.
HOWEVER, if the dude is on the level, I will pay double fare sometimes if it is a long ride in traffic (usually the case). The deaf aholes selling phony art on suk will point to their mouths for food after you buy art. I point at my groin while smiling and nodding. These people look at generosity as a weakness.[/QUOTE]Only ever once got ripped off for a meal, and only occasionally attempted overcharges by taxis. But then I am usually with a girl, and always keep a smile and my wits about me, and never think in terms of: "ditch the gash", "hoze", "street rif raf", "deaf aholes", "shit meals" and "generosity as weakness".

Somehow I feel the better for it.

[QUOTE=Mouse1]Only ever once got ripped off for a meal, and only occasionally attempted overcharges by taxis. But then I am usually with a girl, and always keep a smile and my wits about me, and never think in terms of: "ditch the gash", "hoze", "street rif raf", "deaf aholes", "shit meals" and "generosity as weakness".

Somehow I feel the better for it.[/QUOTE]

I'm glad that I'm not the only one that feels the same way you do.

Cheers

[QUOTE=David 2]I'm glad that I'm not the only one that feels the same way you do.

Cheers[/QUOTE]

Fully agree David2 and Mouse1. You win some, you lose some but a laughter and bit of understanding of how much people can earn can go a long way. The same applies around the world. Worth trying for but not always easy. Sanuk, mai pen rai and khai na have real meaning in Thai attitudes. One girl I spent time with oked that Nana Plaza is named for the "na na" ("thick-skinned") farangs, to whom face means little.

SO8

[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]Before the food, beverage or service is served/rendered get a price. These people will demand 700bht on the bill in the end for a plate of stir fried vegetables you asked to accompany the 300bht red snapper you just got weighed&priced out of the tank. I had them once try to charge me the equiv of $20USD for a manicure for the pooying du jour on the beach at jomtien because I did not ask up front. I paid for the vegtables but not the manicure. Offered them 200 bht or nothing and there were no cops around so I skated for NOTHING. NEVER EAT ON SUK, because a fancy restauant is cheaper and the hoze and street rif raf will work you. The ho will order a 300bht bacardi cooler and you will end up with a $30USD bill for a shit meal and a couple of drinks. Better to ditch the gash and eat at Foodland alone. NEVER CLOSE A CAB DOOR, unless you know the driver can sah-peak angrit and acknowleges he knows where you want go go and the meter is running. HOWEVER, if the dude is on the level, I will pay double fare sometimes if it is a long ride in traffic (usually the case). The deaf aholes selling phony art on suk will point to their mouths for food after you buy art. I point at my groin while smiling and nodding. These people look at generosity as a weakness.[/QUOTE]Some good advice there, senor. The crack about the groin is too funny. LOL

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Nice footage. I love seeing farang getting their asses kicked by Thais.[/QUOTE]

Hmm, I wonder why a jek twat would like to see white guys beaten up. . . I've seen Thais get thumped badly by farangs- once saw an Israeli guy pick up and piledrive headfirst into the concrete a dumbass Thai who believed too deeply in his magical Muay Thai powers. It is never pretty to see someone, even an idiot, get badly injured (unless maybe you are a typically racist jek with a physical inferiority complex re white guys), but for newbies on the board the moral of that story (and of the video of the assholes getting thumped outside a Burger King in Samui- by the way, those responsible for bringing Burger King and other fast-food slop to Thailand should also get clobbered) is this: if you get into a physical altercation (and please try not to) with a Thai end it quickly if you can, because if you don't nearly every Thai male in the vicinity (and apparently otherwise cowardly jeks, too) will be looking to get the boot in on the farang. They won't know and won't care who is right or wrong. It is something every farang should see at least once, just so you can appreciate how the local boys really feel about the farang.

[QUOTE=Sanook D]It is something every farang should see at least once, just so you can appreciate how the local boys really feel about the farang.[/QUOTE]

To be fair, I've been at a party upcountry where some local boys were having a good time. I didn't notice anything different, but sometime after midnight the Thai lady I'm with frowns -- though the smiles and voices were the same, something bad was said. The next minute, the local boys have polarised into two sides, one guy is down, hit with a broken bottle, and being stomped into the ground. Another minute, and everyone vanishes into the night on their scooters, one side taking along stomped guy, who is now unconscious.

So I wouldn't feel particularly singled out, as farang, for whatever that is worth.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Some good advice there, senor. The crack about the groin is too funny. LOL[/QUOTE]Yes, absolutely hilarious. Worthy of Benny Hill himself.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]To be fair, I've been at a party upcountry where some local boys were having a good time. I didn't notice anything different, but sometime after midnight the Thai lady I'm with frowns -- though the smiles and voices were the same, something bad was said. The next minute, the local boys have polarised into two sides, one guy is down, hit with a broken bottle, and being stomped into the ground. Another minute, and everyone vanishes into the night on their scooters, one side taking along stomped guy, who is now unconscious.

So I wouldn't feel particularly singled out, as farang, for whatever that is worth.[/QUOTE]

Oh, absolutely, Thais will treat Thai adversaries with a similar lack of chivalry. The thing the farang has to understand is that unless he has some Thai mates with him, he is liable to find out that he is lined up on his own against every Thai in a 50-meter radius, unless there is a cop feeling an unusually strong sense of civic duty in the area. Fighting with the locals should be avoided, as frustrating as it can be to stand down when, for example, you see some Thai geezer smacking a girl around.

[QUOTE=Sanook D]Hmm, I wonder why a jek twat would like to see white guys beaten up. . . It is never pretty to see someone, even an idiot, get badly injured [/QUOTE]
Because if your stupid enough to take on a thai, and the rest of the gang, then you deserve to get your ass kicked.

[QUOTE=Sanook D]It is never pretty to see someone, even an idiot, get badly injured [/QUOTE]
That's your opinion. I enjoy watching it, however.

Every Farang I've seen get beat up by a Thai in Thailand always provoked it!

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Every Farang I've seen get beat up by a Thai in Thailand always provoked it![/QUOTE]That's the key to all of this. You really have to go looking for trouble in Thailand to find it! Of course, the dodgy places in TH tend to attract dodgy people (Thai and [i]farang[/i]).

I've traveled all over Thailand the past few years and never had a problem with anyone. Occasionally, in tourist areas I get a little frustrated with touts, but I just remind myself they're only trying to make a baht and ignore them. And, when I drink in bars, due to years of practice, I don't become obnoxious.

Ever think that there are idiots out there (in TH) that provoke trouble just to capture it on video to post on YouTube? Never underestimate the *******es of the world.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]That's your opinion. I enjoy watching it, however.

Every Farang I've seen get beat up by a Thai in Thailand always provoked it![/QUOTE]You enjoy watching people get beaten up...sideline fighter are you? You quote "farang" as though you are ? what? Are you Thai? or are you one of those that thinks "farang" means white skin? How many "farangs" have you seen beaten up?

[QUOTE=Andy Abs]You enjoy watching people get beaten up...sideline fighter are you? You quote "farang" as though you are ? what? Are you Thai? or are you one of those that thinks "farang" means white skin? How many "farangs" have you seen beaten up?[/QUOTE]
Yawn!!!

Yep, I enjoy watching boxing and UFC also. I've seen dozens of farang get their asses kicked by Thais. Anyhow, this conversation is meaningless. Let's talk about getting laid which is more important. Back on topic - 500ST for a walking street hook in Pat last night. Low season is here so bargains are to be had!

[QUOTE=Andy Abs]or are you one of those that thinks "farang" means white skin?[/QUOTE]Well basically it does. The Thais have other words for foreigners of other colors.

But enough of the fight club stuff already.

Just a short TR-ette.

Am in BKK for a couple of days in transit to Pattaya.

Went to Annies near Nana entertainment centre. 2 hrs 1700B + 800 for the lady. Can'tremember the name, but her number was 10. Good two hour service, BBBJ, CFS massage. She was very pretty and worked hard. She was 22 but looked younger. She kept pointing to the aircon which had 22 on it and giggled when coming up for air.

Beers about 75-100 round town.
Meals in the restaurants around Nana about 200-300B
Hotel Zenith at 2600 B incl breakfast - but not girl friendly. Not important to me since I prefer incall in Thailand. (And outcall from the bars in Phils).

Off to Pattaya tomorrow. Any major price variations from six months ago? BKK seems a little more expensive than last time here imo.