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I believe it was around 1:30 pm on Sunday when I went to Chica Mileno and Chica 2000. They were closed. On Saturday, I went to Tantra around 4 pm on Saturday. There was around 12 girls there when I went. Mostly Venezuelan.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2220522]Really? What time did you go? I passed them both on Saturday evening. William, the dude who minds the door at Chicas 2000 told me they would be closed on Sunday. But, I walked past Milenio on Sunday and the same dude who is usually out front of Chicas Milenio was standing there with another guy on Sunday morning. I stayed within a few blocks of those places, so I passed them several times this past weekend. I went by Tantra as well, on Saturday. About how many girls were available when you visited each one respectively? Just curious.[/QUOTE]

Just left Venus club. Got with a sexy little Venezuelan. 20 yo. Tight body. 50 mil pesos. I was caught off guard that a Corona was 17 mil pesos! Just a warning for fellow mongers. Anyways Venus club feels relatively safe for Santa Fe. And most of the guys that work there are very friendly. My Spanish is not great though so I just gave a nod. Not sure what they were saying LOL. But I would not walk around this area too much. Just get your taxi to drop you right in front. Good luck guys!

[QUOTE=Global00;2221168]I believe it was around 1:30 pm on Sunday when I went to Chica Mileno and Chica 2000. They were closed. On Saturday, I went to Tantra around 4 pm on Saturday. There was around 12 girls there when I went. Mostly Venezuelan.[/QUOTE]12 girls at Tantra? Spa Tantra on Cr. 20 a? What was wrong with the lineup at Chicas 2000 on Saturday? When were you there. Just curious.

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Hi guys,

Welcome to my realm. Feel free to explore.

My name is Eva, I am a classy and lovely girl who likes fun. All kind of fun I will give you a great time in Bogota.

I am a college student woman who really enjoys sex, I'm very passionate.

And only if you feel like getting carried away by one hot as hell out of this world. Drop me a message and I will make your day.

Kisses to you all.

Eva.

[QUOTE=Tricksta;2220451]Does anyone know if swinger club Monasterio is still in business and doing the reverse gang bangs? I was trying to find out for a possible trip there during week of Sept 9. Routard recommends going to Vivian's twitter at [URL]https://twitter.com/vivianasanta18[/URL] to stay updated on Monaterio but when I do that, things are very unclear. The biggest thing is that it doesn't look like Viviana is with Monasterio anymore. She seems to be promoting a place called Club Clandestin, and Club Clandestin seems to have a different address than Monasterio. Any clarification of what is going on with Monasterio now and, more importantly, where is best place to go for the reverse gang bangs that Monasterio used to do every couple of months?[/QUOTE]What is a reverse gang bang?

I have been around the block a few times, but never heard of that.

Whatever it is I'm sure I would like it.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2221194]12 girls at Tantra? Spa Tantra on Cr. 20 a? What was wrong with the lineup at Chicas 2000 on Saturday? When were you there. Just curious.[/QUOTE]Yes sir. Tantra Spa Cra. 20 a #72-30. There were about 12 girls I believe. The line up at Chicas 2000 was just ok. I sessioned with one girl before and it was shitty service and she was there. There were about 5 girls there I believe. Nothing really wrong wtith the others but I just wasn't interested in what I seen. It would have been around 4 pm after I left and walked down from Tantra. I also want to Chicas Mileno. There were 4 girls there at the time. There was one I liked because she had what seem like a nice natural butt. But another guy called her before I did. So, I left. I have been to all 3 many times. Every time I go to Bogota I check out what is there. I was in Bogota from 9/1-9/3.

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[QUOTE=Global00;2221526]Yes sir. Tantra Spa Cra. 20 a #72-30. There were about 12 girls I believe. The line up at Chicas 2000 was just ok. I sessioned with one girl before and it was shitty service and she was there. There were about 5 girls there I believe. Nothing really wrong wtith the others but I just wasn't interested in what I seen. It would have been around 4 pm after I left and walked down from Tantra. I also want to Chicas Mileno. There were 4 girls there at the time. There was one I liked because she had what seem like a nice natural butt. But another guy called her before I did. So, I left. I have been to all 3 many times. Every time I go to Bogota I check out what is there. I was in Bogota from 9/1-9/3..[/QUOTE]Interesting. I imagined the place being smaller as Routard's latest FAQ sheet summarized it as a massage parlor with only 5 girls. I passed it many times as I was staying on the next block up at Hotel Casa Guillermo. I didn't ever notice anyone out front or anyone coming and going. Though I did see motorcyclists, with helmets on ringing at the door with what looked like a delivery (lunch, dinner?) So, I wasn't sure it that was the right place or night. Saturday night, right at 9 PM I walked past it when I assume it was supposed to close (I was en route to Pussy House). At the witching hour two girls (and only two girls) popped out of the door and appeared to be saying their farewells to each other, when they saw me looking over at them as I walked past. They bolted off in different directions with one heading up the block and hooking a right on Calle 72 a while the other hooked a left on Calle 72 in a dead run. By the time I got to the end of the block, I saw one of them already trying to cross over Cr. 20. I have no idea what spooked them, as I was just walking by. Maybe they were being stalked by a very tall, lanky gringo? In any case, I decided it wise not to visit the place, as there was no telling what those girls would do if they had no place to run to. Saturday was a busy day for me. I'll write a full FR and post here in a bit.

My only visit to Colombia so far was in 2013 (Bogota and Medellin). On average, the sessions with the chicas were so-so, so I stuck with Rio instead. Fast forward to 2017, I was flying to Rio with Avianca with a stop over in Bogota. The minute I stepped inside the terminal I was in ass heaven and so I told myself I need to revisit Colombia. Fast forward again to present, I'm planning a 2 month long trip to Colombia in October and November. But I'm hella disturbed by ISG member reports (R The Man, Tasss) of having to pay extra for services once in the bed. I guess I got spoiled by the Brasileiras who all do BBBJ without hesitation & without asking for extra. But kissing? Really? My annoyance is not about the price of the extra. I mean kissing is an essential part of sex (at least for me). Sex is not sex without kissing! And when I say kissing I mean DFK with lots of saliva, tongue sucking, lip sucking and biting. Kissing is more important to me than BBFS. I've read here that Colombians give the best GFE but how can that be true when they don't even provide kissing for free? Maybe this is a YMMV thing or maybe they don't feel comfortable kissing a total stranger for the first time. Well I guess I will find out once I'm on the ground. But if this is the norm then it will definitely kill the tension & my libido and I'll have to try somehow meet and date non-pro. That will be a more of a challenge since: a) my Spanish is not as good as my Portuguese (which is so-so), b) I don't have much "game", c) I'm Asian.

OK, thank you to all who read my mindless rants. Now for a bit of story telling. Back in 2013, the best session I had was with a casa chica in Medellin (I think). I don't remember the name of the casa but it was one of the more upscale ones. I do remember I had to take the metro and walk pass a sports stadium to get to it. Anyways, I believe I fucked two chicas from that casa. One was them was just so-so. But the other one was super cute and a total sweetheart. She gave me a great and memorable GFE session. She gave me her number but at the time I didn't have a phone and it was towards the end of my trip so I never saw her again In Bogota on the same trip, I met this student who was the server in a local working class restaurant who spoke broken English (my Spanish was basically zero at the time). On the second visit, I asked her after her shift ends if she is willing to meet me afterwards. She said yes. So I returned to the restaurant later on to meet her and all the Colombians where having good hearted laugh at us LOL. We went to a mall nearby and I bought her some ice cream and we took some pictures with my digital camera. She told me that because she was with me, everyone think she's Asian and not Colombian. We then walked towards my hotel and stopped on the way to listen to a band that was playing Brazilian music out in a plaza. Then she walked with me all the way into the hotel lobby, we exchanged emails, hugged each other and she left. I didn't invite her up to my room because she was not my type, plus I don't think she was that kind of a girl. Fast forward to 2017, on the plane flying from El Salvador to Bogota, I was approached by one the flight attendant who handed me a piece of cookie (and no one else) and told me it was some famous food from her city. Later on, as I was about to get off the plane, we chatted again. She asked me where I was going and I told her I was going to Rio. I then asked her if this is her last flight for the night. She replied yes, and I asked if she had any plans. She said she didn't know yet, so I told her to go out for a drink and have fun. We both then smiled at each other and said good-bye. If I didn't have to catch a connecting flight to Rio, I would've asked her out. And who know, she might've rejected me or accepted the offer. At the time I did feel we had a bit of connection. I'm telling these stories not to gloat but to remind myself that I may have a chance to pick up non-pro in Colombia. I know a bit more spanish now but I need to crash hard on spanish like I'm studying for the finals in the next couple of weeks.

A reverse gang bang is when there are 3 or more women servicing one guy. I've had a menage with me and two girls but never a reverse gang bang here's hoping one day it happens.

[QUOTE=Kelso1;2221455]What is a reverse gang bang?

I have been around the block a few times, but never heard of that.

Whatever it is I'm sure I would like it.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2221547]Interesting. I imagined the place being smaller as Routard's latest FAQ sheet summarized it as a massage parlor with only 5 girls. I passed it many times as I was staying on the next block up at Hotel Casa Guillermo. I didn't ever notice anyone out front or anyone coming and going. Though I did see motorcyclists, with helmets on ringing at the door with what looked like a delivery (lunch, dinner?) So, I wasn't sure it that was the right place or night. Saturday night, right at 9 PM I walked past it when I assume it was supposed to close (I was en route to Pussy House). At the witching hour two girls (and only two girls) popped out of the door and appeared to be saying their farewells to each other, when they saw me looking over at them as I walked past. They bolted off in different directions with one heading up the block and hooking a right on Calle 72 a while the other hooked a left on Calle 72 in a dead run. By the time I got to the end of the block, I saw one of them already trying to cross over Cr. 20. I have no idea what spooked them, as I was just walking by. Maybe they were being stalked by a very tall, lanky gringo? In any case, I decided it wise not to visit the place, as there was no telling what those girls would do if they had no place to run to. Saturday was a busy day for me. I'll write a full FR and post here in a bit.[/QUOTE]You should stop by and check it out. All the times that I went to Tantra Spa there were more than 5 girls there. Most are Venezuelan and they are not drop dead gorgeous women but you might find something that you fancy. There is never a lot of people there waiting when I go. This last Saturday, there were two guys waiting and that was most I ever seen. A lot of times guys will be in the room doing the deed or leaving. I like the set up of the place. The rooms are decent nothing special. Each girl I sessioned with was really nice and accommodating. For 45 k, its a good bargain.

Chicas Mileno and Chicas 2000 usually vary with the amount of women they have when I arrive. Chicas Mileno usually have alot more women. Ten and up for sure. Chicas 2000 generally has less than 10. Usually, the women at Chicas 2000 are better looking but also look like they been in the game longer. Chicas Mileno women look more amateur, first timer. I always see new girls there.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2221570]My only visit to Colombia so far was in 2013 (Bogota and Medellin). On average, the sessions with the chicas were so-so, so I stuck with Rio instead. Fast forward to 2017, I was flying to Rio with Avianca with a stop over in Bogota. The minute I stepped inside the terminal I was in ass heaven and so I told myself I need to revisit Colombia. Fast forward again to present, I'm planning a 2 month long trip to Colombia in October and November. But I'm hella disturbed by ISG member reports (R The Man, Tasss) of having to pay extra for services once in the bed. I guess I got spoiled by the Brasileiras who all do BBBJ without hesitation & without asking for extra. But kissing? Really? My annoyance is not about the price of the extra. I mean kissing is an essential part of sex (at least for me). Sex is not sex without kissing! And when I say kissing I mean DFK with lots of saliva, tongue sucking, lip sucking and biting. Kissing is more important to me than BBFS. I've read here that Colombians give the best GFE but how can that be true when they don't even provide kissing for free? Maybe this is a YMMV thing or maybe they don't feel comfortable kissing a total stranger for the first time. Well I guess I will find out once I'm on the ground. But if this is the norm then it will definitely kill the tension & my libido and I'll have to try somehow meet and date non-pro. That will be a more of a challenge since: a) my Spanish is not as good as my Portuguese (which is so-so), b) I don't have much "game", c) I'm Asian..[/QUOTE]Anyone who is paying extra for DFK is missing the point. You're asking for a girl to fake passion. Hell, if you want someone to fake passion, get married.

Most of the girls I saw, outside of the casas, I treated as dates. It didn't matter if I met them at a bar, or at my apartment. No rush, no list of requirements, no long negotiations. Those girls, mostly from Facebook, gave me BBBJ about 75% of the time and DFK about 60%.

The casa you're talking about is Energy Spa. I got BBBJ there and DFK 50% of the time. All depends on who you choose. I never pay extra for these things.

I've met 3 Asians in Medellin. Each seemed to do okay with what they were looking for. However, each was looking for different things.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2221570]My only visit to Colombia so far was in 2013 (Bogota and Medellin). On average, the sessions with the chicas were so-so, so I stuck with Rio instead. Fast forward to 2017, I was flying to Rio with Avianca with a stop over in Bogota. The minute I stepped inside the terminal I was in ass heaven and so I told myself I need to revisit Colombia. Fast forward again to present, I'm planning a 2 month long trip to Colombia in October and November. But I'm hella disturbed by ISG member reports (R The Man, Tasss) of having to pay extra for services once in the bed. [/QUOTE]I was not hit with "upgrades" and "add ONS" In Medellin two years ago. However, last weekend I ran into that at Chicas 2000. One tagged me for 26 k (yes, that is right, 26 k, not 25 k, not 30 k, but 26 k) for kisses above the breasts. Another charged 15 k to suck her nipples, and another 15 k to go down on them. Next stop: Brazil.

After the fiasco at Chicas Milenio on Friday night, I went across Cr. Caracas and headed towards Pussy House, which is talked about a lot. Once I got there I noticed the club across the street, Las Divas and thought I'd take one for the forum and check it out. There had been some question of whether or not it was open, but I can assure it is live and kicking. The place is not big but it has two levels, that is a balcony level overlooking the main floor. The stage is small but they periodically call all the girls on the stage to dance. Overall it was not a loud as most of the strip clubs, which I appreciate. The girls were not the prettiest overall but there were some hotties there and the quality of dancing was pretty good. Some stripped completely naked but not for long. Las Divas was also the most laid back place I visited, with decent waitstaff and no cover when I went. Beer was 5 k. I ordered a agua mineral because I didn't want to get too tipsy and had drank a bit of the bottle of rum I'd bought at Chicas Milenio (that's another story). The over quality of the girls was okay. I did make eye contact with one, who had light skin, dark hair and warm eyes. I got her to sit next to me, and she said he name was Sofia. I got to the point and asked how much for "sexo". 80 k for an hour. Done, I said. But she said it would be a bit because she had to dance first. We sat and chatted and used a translator on my phone to get through the more complicated stuff. She typed out text slower than any woman I ever met, which later made me think there was something not right about her. After all, when was the last time you saw a woman who could peck out a sentence on a phone in a flash? It was taking this girl a few minutes to peck out a sentence. Anyways, she said she was 28 (she looked younger) and had been dancing "always", since she was 18. That's dedication. Overall she seemed a laid back and serene type girl. Pulled out her boob and squeezed it to tease me and other pleasantries. Periodically she went on stage for a crowded group dance, and then had to excuse herself for a bit. I had to wonder when she got her dance over so we could go do the deed. While she was away, another women, who identified herself as Lorena sat by me. She was a bit overripe but spoke very good English. She asked if I was here for sex, and I said yes. Her response was "Let's go!" But, I had to explain I was already engaged with another, and she excused herself. Sofia came back and I had got myself a beer for me and her. I couldn't see too well in the dim light and all those Colombian notes smaller than 50 k looked like a brown mess to me. I let the waiter sort through the wad of bills (bad idea) to get the money. Next morning, I woke up and expected to have been fleeced by the waiter. But, I counted my money and actually had more cash than I thought I thought I should have had. Got to give the waiter props for honesty. But, Colombians are for the most part, very much on the up and up. If I came away with anything from this trip, it is a greater respect for the good people of Colombia.

But, back to the point of this FR. The hour was getting late and I kept asking Sofia when we were going for "sexo". She said she had to dance first, but she had been on stage a few times already, without taking her clothes off, though. Finally the music was getting to annoy me and I felt a headache coming on. I was out of the mood and finally told Sofia, I was going back to my hotel. She typed this message on the translator app "My love, whatever you write is fine for me. " WTF? I said good night and left and she smiled and just sat there. What was with this girl? Oh wait, I know. She's a stripper.

I walked out on the street and as I passed a hole in the wall cafe next to Divas, (opposite Pussy House) I was accosted by three teenage girls in black leather jackets. One black, one white, and one a loud morena who did all the talking. She said something to me in Spanish though all I could make out was "sexo possible". She and the other girls opened their jackets so I could see they were only wearing minimal bras underneath. She asked me to go with them to "Quarantine" which I think must have been a club to "party". Going to a strange place with three teenage girls off the street? What could possibly go wrong. I said no, thank you and headed back to the hotel. The next night, I went to Pussy House and noticed another teenage girl in front of that cafe, also in a black leather jacket glaring at me very hard as I walked past. That must be the pick up point for rough teenage street girls of questionable age in black leather jackets.

But to summarize Las Divas, I enjoyed the laid back, no hassle environment and cheap beer. It was crowded the night I went there, but I still found a seat on a small divan. I would recommend it for those who want to sit back in a darker place where the music isn't too loud. Though I can't guarantee it won't get on your nerves after awhile.

I woke up Saturday after a good night's rest and a hard cock. After the dual frustrations of the previous night I decided to give Bogota a second chance. Not that I had any choice. But, I typically get laid with no hassle on the day that I arrive at a mongering destination and Bogota ended that streak. I decided to get something to eat first. I found a panaderia a few blocks down from the hotel and enjoyed a coffee "perico" with a warmed up empanada. With that out of the way I headed in search of poon.

Headed back to 71 a to check out out Chicas 2000. I had a bad experience across the street the previous night and will never return, barring confirmation that it is under new, honest management. So, I hoped my luck would take a turn for the better.

I got at Chicas 2000 around 10 am, shortly after opening. A grungy small guy greeted me as I approached like he knew I was headed there and he already had the door open for me. He was a friendly guy named William and he knew a little bit of English. To get to the actual brothel you have to walk around this partition and make a few turns because there is another dwelling or business next to the brothel, once you past the gate. I sat down on the couch as three girls appeared from three different directions: A negra, a morena and a tiny blanca. Yes, there were only three and they were all quite doable, even if none were striking. I almost chose the negra because she had a tight slender body, though she had a sullen look. I choose the diminutive and retiring blanca. She seemed a bit apprehensive at first, as some of these girls do when unexpectedly faced with 6' 4" gringo but she would relax later on up in the room. William quoted me 35 k for "medio", though it was written plainly on a sign on the wall. I asked how much for an hour and it was double. I'm assuming two hours would be four times as much? Anyways, the young lady, who introduced herself as Catalina took me upstairs and asked me to choose among the three rooms available. I also noticed a bath facility where one could bathe. I choose a dark room to my left and indeed it was comfortably dim though illuminated enough to see the girl's lovely body. Catalina was 20 years old, she said and she looked it. She stripped and I saw she had pleasant curves but no visible baby damage. Her breasts were small with tiny nipples unphased by breast feeding. She seemed a relaxed type and was overall a very pleasant girl. She did emphasize some things up front though. First, anything that happened, would happen with a condom, and that above the breasts was off limits, pointing to her lips as I understood it. Later I found it was an upcharge for anything about that.

With an hour we had time for snuggling, caressing and nuzzling of her small body. I wanted to eat her cookie and she complied. She did however, have some very oversize pussy lips for a girl of her age and maternal status. I had to lick them a bit before they could be parted. Some girls get off on being licked, but Catalina seemed to be faking her moans a bit. Her pussy had no odor nor any taste either but it was a satisfactory dining experience. After she faked an orgasm, I let her put on one of the Okamoto condoms I brought, telling her "Its the Acura of condoms". I emphasized to her that these were super high quality and could be stretched really hard but wouldn't break. I think she got that part and did a good job of getting it on. She started the CBJ and to my surprise did a good job of it. I came close to coming after awhile which is something I never do during a CBJ. I got her to flip over got on top of her, though I should have let her get on top. It was hard getting inside her, and she said her cookie was very small. It was small. I don't know why these girls don't keep lube around, then again its probably for the same reason they only have cheap condoms. Anyways, I was never able to get all the way in and I could see it was uncomfortable for this little girl. I pulled out and asked her to suck me off, and she seemed to appreciate that gesture. She was back on me and finished the CBJ very well. It was the first time I have ever cum from a CBJ, so I give her props for skills. She gave me a wet wipe to remove the condom myself, because she wasn't going to touch it, though. These Colombianas seem to have an aversion to spooge, more so than other girls I've dealt with in other places. We cuddled a bit and when my time was up we got up to dress. As I was about to walk out of the room, she hit me up for 26 k. Not, 25 k, not 30 k, but 26 k. What for? She told me in Spanish I could barely understand that I was only paying for the service. I thought it was some be. S. She was giving me, but what I realized later was that it was a "gotcha" fee for letting my lips over her breasts. She had allowed me to nuzzle and kiss her neck and there was a few mild kissed during our intercourse. Had I known I was going to pay up for those, I would have attempted DFK. I paid her the $8. 75 USD for those few pecks and she disappeared. I headed out and saw a girl standing near the entrance, looking at a lingerie catalogue. She was wearing what I recall was a bikini outfit and she a stem of cherries tattooed between her breasts. I pointed at one item and said, "that would look good on you". She introduced herself as Lis, and she had light skin, dark hair and a look that says "I am a nasty puta". I told her I would be back for her in English and I could see she understood.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2221742]I was not hit with "upgrades" and "add ONS" In Medellin two years ago. However, last weekend I ran into that at Chicas 2000. One tagged me for 26 k (yes, that is right, 26 k, not 25 k, not 30 k, but 26 k) for kisses above the breasts. Another charged 15 k to suck her nipples, and another 15 k to go down on them. Next stop: Brazil.[/QUOTE]Thats really messed up! I'm not sure how I am going to avoid this type shit some of the chicas will pull. I've heard people screen the chicas before their sessions but even that doesn't seem 100% proof, as the chica can refuse / deny once in bed to provide the service they promised beforehand. Any one has a good strategy to minimize this shit from happening?

At Ezpresszo, I'm so jealous of you right now. When are you going to Brasil? I assume you are headed for Rio? I'm planning to go there in December. The brasileiras are some of the best fucks I've ever had. Most (9/10) will let you DFK, DATY & BBBJ without any problem. Even if the girl refuses to provide a certain service, say DATY, its because she genuinely does not want to do it. She will not say, if you pay me xxx extra then you can. She will just flatly refuse you. Now you can certainly try to change her mind by offering her extra. The only exception is anal as most girls will not allow anal sex without extra.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2221718]Anyone who is paying extra for DFK is missing the point. You're asking for a girl to fake passion. Hell, if you want someone to fake passion, get married.

Most of the girls I saw, outside of the casas, I treated as dates. It didn't matter if I met them at a bar, or at my apartment. No rush, no list of requirements, no long negotiations. Those girls, mostly from Facebook, gave me BBBJ about 75% of the time and DFK about 60%.
The casa you're talking about is Energy Spa. I got BBBJ there and DFK 50% of the time. All depends on who you choose. I never pay extra for these things.
I've met 3 Asians in Medellin. Each seemed to do okay with what they were looking for. However, each was looking for different things.[/QUOTE]I totally agree and understand with normal girls (IE not prostitutes) you can't demand them to do some thing since you are not paying them directly for sex service (the sex just comes along with dating and relationship). What I'm referring to are the prostitutes. In their case, you are paying them directly for sex service. Sure there is no formal rule that require all prostitutes when providing sex service that they must include everything. But its annoying and to me, its shitty service. Its even worse when they lie to you beforehand and then refuse to do it once in bed.

Few details about my trip that will be helpful to others, who are going to Bogota for the first time. However, I have attached of few photos of my travel documents for the sake of credibility.

I took AeroMexico from DFW to BOG via MEX. I got a great fare on a normally busy weekend (Labor Day) from a consolidator called Flyright. I am dubious of such consolidators but, I saw they got very high ratings and took a chance. Sure enough, I was given my reservation number which I could use to access my reservation on the AeroMexico app in less than a day.

That said, I had always wondered why Mexico City was never a hub for travel to South America. Well, I got my answer. MEX is simply not capable of handling transfer flights properly. Aside from being overcrowded with planes, the terminal facilities simply aren't set up to handle simple transfers for international flights. What that means is that you must go through immigration and customs and submit a completed immigration form when you arrive. Yes, you read that correctly. You must go through customs and immigration even if you are just making a connection to another nation. Then you must go through security screening again to get to the international departures. While an additional screening is normal in overseas airports when making a direct connection, at least they do it efficiently in most places. In Mexico City its a mess. They simply are not set up for it. While I never encountered the long lines in MEX, the process was slow and low-tech. That's why you can never make a short connection in MEX. Once past security the waiting area and selection of shops was good. Then even had a 24-hour bar and restaurant at one end of the international terminal. But on both ends, AeroMexico changed the gate while I was waiting and I had to move from one side of the terminal to the other. That said, I don't recommend making a connection in MEX unless it just happens to be a cheap flight (which mine was). And as for AeroMexico, its not a bad airline, but its not a good one either.

Arrival in BOG involved quite a trot to immigration though that is the case with most large international airport. Going through customs took awhile though the line was not long. The screening process is more rigorous than any place I have been to, and this time the immigration officer had more questions than my last trip to Medellin. On the return trip, the lines were very long at immigration and it took over 35 minutes to clear that obstacle. Fortunately, getting my carry-on and my body through the security screening was a snap and the screeners were courteous. But, be warned that getting through immigration can take a while so plan for it on your flight out of the country.

Now for the verification matters. There is unfortunately, a lot of fiction getting posted on all of these forums. If someone spends much of their time posting anything but a field report, I'm pretty certain they haven't been anywhere and are living out their fantasy on the internet. It might seem an unlikely place to present oneself as an "enternational" man of the world, but I've seen people try to do the same thing on internet forums focusing on mutual funds and other truly unexciting topics. Somebody who seems to be spending his entire day (every day) posting commentary can't actually be someone who is actually doing any mongering, can he? Until you actually meet that fellow board member abroad, you really don't know if he is who claims he is. I've only done that with one BM from here so far, and it was great sharing our experiences and getting a tour of the destination (Kuala Lumpur). If you do have a chance to meet up with a BM, do it and you will have someone you can at least trust.

With that said, the least I can do is post photos of my passport stamps, boarding cards for the BOG segments and the receipt for my hotel. Short of making a porn video of my encounters, with my name written across the girls' bodies, I don't know how else to prove I have done what I did. At least I can prove I was on the ground. I wish more people would do this, but I doubt few will. If we were all required to do that when we make trip reports, I expect the number of them would dwindle dramatically. I hope others will follow my lead in the future.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2221906]I totally agree and understand with normal girls (IE not prostitutes) you can't demand them to do some thing since you are not paying them directly for sex service (the sex just comes along with dating and relationship). What I'm referring to are the prostitutes. In their case, you are paying them directly for sex service. Sure there is no formal rule that require all prostitutes when providing sex service that they must include everything. But its annoying and to me, its shitty service. Its even worse when they lie to you beforehand and then refuse to do it once in bed.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, there are too many mongers who spoil things. Met one several months ago and his breath reeked so bad I had to leave the bar. Others are walking around smelling like they haven't bathed in a week. The prostitutes have all run into these guys. So they limit what they offer.

However, if you're clean, well groomed and know how to use a toothbrush, there's a reasonable chance they'll relax some of the restrictions. At least that's been my experience.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2221972]Unfortunately, there are too many mongers who spoil things. Met one several months ago and his breath reeked so bad I had to leave the bar. Others are walking around smelling like they haven't bathed in a week. The prostitutes have all run into these guys. So they limit what they offer.

However, if you're clean, well groomed and know how to use a toothbrush, there's a reasonable chance they'll relax some of the restrictions. At least that's been my experience.[/QUOTE]True. I remember showing up at the apartments of some "Hobbyhuren" in Berlin, freshly scrubbed and looking like I was ready to take them for a night on the town. When they first set eyes on me, the look of relief was visible. They had no idea what they had signed up for til they saw me and you can tell they had seen some sad cases.

Personally, if I'm not coming directly from the hotel after brushing my teeth, I carry one of those tiny half ounce, travel size bottles of mouthwash that cost a buck or less at Target, Walmart, etc and swish some of it through my mouth thoroughly when I'm approaching the house of ill repute. There is a enough in those for two uses, and I usually carry two or three when I travel, and usually keep on one my person just like I always carry condoms and lubes when I'm on a mongering trip.

However, as I will relate soon in a FR, one girl in Bogota, wanted 15 k to eat her pussy. To pleasure her. I passed. She also wanted 15 k to kiss her nipples (which I did because I just had to suck those). This goes beyond hygiene and the smell of your breath. Its an upcharge. I'd never had a girl charge to go down on her, and I hope that won't be a common surcharge in Bogota or anywhere else on this planet where I chose to monger.

Day 3.

I got up early, and found much of the area shut down. I would be changing hotels to the something near Santa Fe. So, I decided to do more sightseeing around Champinero. On Sundays, the major carerras in Eastern Champinro are shut down to auto traffic, as are most of the businesses along them. Then the carreras become paths for jokers and bikers. Walking down Carrera 7, I noticed two free concerts, at different locations. They appeared to be sponsored by political organizations. Attendance was heavy and security was tight. Personally I liked the fact that Sunday is a play day there, with businesses shut down and the streets reserved for public activities.

Headed back to the hotel for my 1 PM checkout. I finished packing and called a cab using Tappsi. As with all time I used it, the driver asked for a few mil more than what the app said. This driver even consulted a chart before quoting the price. It wasn't worth arguing over, 70 cents. But, you do get to note that on the app after you finish your ride.

My destination was Hotel San Francisco, an actual large hotel in the CBD, just four blocks from Santa Fe. And I do mean four blocks that are easily covered when you are walking quickly at night. It was a deal at around $23 a night and also walking distance down to Candelaria for sight seeing. The Transmilenio runs out front and there is usually a cab waiting right outside the back door. Also a quick cab ride to Monserratte, which is worth a visit, too. I spent the afternoon sightseeing in Candelaria, which is where I first saw freckled, pasty white European girls in shorts and Birkenstocks walking around and generally looking goofy. Prior to that, I had seen few gringos of any nationality in Bogota. I ate a decent meal at a self serve restaurant in Candelaria and rode the Transmilenio back up to my hotel. It was an easy ride so I mistakenly though it was generally a pleasant experience.

I took a disco nap and then got up for a preliminary shower, shit, shave and appropriate attire for the evening. Judging from the comments about Santa Fe, I decided on clothes there were easy to get on an off: a quality long sleeve tee, jogging pants and sneakers with lace-locks (and a hidden pocket to stash the majority of the funds for the evening). It was not late but it was after dark when I made the trot down calle 24, which is where my hotel was off of, right at Cr. 10. I knew the neighborhood along the was was sketchy but not too sketchy after all. Crossed over Cr. 14 and there I was, in a low-budget stag male Disneyland. Zona de Tolerancia is exactly what it has been described as, so there were no suprises. I walked around and got the feel of the neighborhood a bit and decided to look for Atunes. Saw a curvy, younger girl with big, natural looking boobs on a corner, her nipples poking through her thin, tight sweater that caught my eye. She was wearing glasses, but stylish glasses and stood out as being better groomed than the rest of the rabble on the street, aside from not standing in a group with the other girls. An interloper, perhaps?

But, I had just got there and wasn't ready to pull anything yet. I understand now how annoying the hawkers and touts outside the clubs can be. As I walked up Cr. 16 a looking for Atunes, I was approached by a slick young man, who spoke English and said he wanted to take me to Atunes, which was just fine because I was looking for that place and then I noticed I was standing in front of Atunes anyways. However, I let the guy walk me in because I figure that's how he gets his vig and that's okay with me. But, he has decided to be my guide or procurer or whatever, he hung close to me all the time I was there and it became annoying quickly. Atunes is a bit grungy but it has its charms. On that night the girls on stage were actually better dancers than at neighboring Troya, even if they were not pretty. The crowd was subdued, though. I was seated by the stage when one mounted the pole buck naked, and spread her legs wide open at me so I could see her shining a-hole and clean shaved twat. It was so good, I had to cheer and applaud loudly, but nobody else was showing any excitement. The mood among the crowd was best described as grim, which say a lot about their life. As I was enjoying this spectacle my would-be guide brings over a girl he wants me to meet. She is white, shorter dyed hair, wearing what looks like a kitschy thrift store dress and those goofy oversize glassed that millenial chicks like to wear. I believe that is called the Montreal look among millentials. In short, she was an emo millennial's wet dream come true, which in my discerning adult terms means that she wasn't very good-looking. However, she wasn't going away anytime soon and persisted lingering next to me, like I was supposed to engage her. And I'm trying to take in the scenery on stage. After I finish my beer, I get up and leave these clowns behind and went down the street and propositioned the girl with the big boobs. She complains that she is cold and it shows as her nipples are poking out through her sweater. However, she doesn't seem too excited about my interest. I ask how much for an hour and she says 100 mil. No way, I say. I was paying 70 k in a decent brothel the day before. However, in hindsight, I realized that she was probably multiplying her usual 15-minute rate times four. Still, she didn't try to persuade me or show any interest and I walked off, as some other girls called out loudly to me, obviously noting that I was ready to pay and had been slighted by this prima donna. However, there were so many girls on the streets, I was going to give the neighborhood a good look.

I walked past a pair of well decked out trannies standing at the entrance of one of the ST motels. These were not obvious trannies and they looked very nice. I am good at spotting trannies, because I have had gay friends and acquaintances who were drag performers in my younger days. Others may not be as experienced, so beware of them if you are not. As I said those two looked very good. But they were distinctly taller and slimmer than the rest of the girls, so let that be your first red flag.

Anyways, I wandered up and down the blocks looking at the street meet standing in the doorways and driveways of the motels / hotels. At the corner of calle 24 and Cr. 15, there is a decent ST hotel on the corner. Standing by herself was a young, plump, white girl dressed in a plaid skirt, sweater and ankle boots. Her name was Mara, she said she was 22. Though she was not my type she was a good saleswoman. She made a polite pitch to me, 40 k for "medio" and engaged me with her warm eyes. Okay, I'll bite. I still had to pay 7 k for the room, which wasn't bad as it has a TV at the end of the bed with porn going on. Mara got out of her clothes quickly but left her ankle boots on. She was indeed fleshy and had a nice big butt. We got down to business and she was generally pleasant and compliant in switching positions. The pace was still a bit quick, but it was a pleasant experience and I eventually came with her on her side and pumping against her ample white buttocks while I was watching a prettier girl getting fucked in ass on the TV. Once finished, Mara was up and dressed in a flash. I guess it helped that she never took her boots off. I was still getting dressed when she waved me goodbye with a smile and went back out on the streets. I got to say, I admire the girl's work ethic. She wasn't far from being the hottest girl on the block. But, she had social skills, customer service orientation and the desire to actually make some money with her time, which I respect.

I did want to visit Troya and it was a good night to go there. Unlike Atunes, the atmosphere was popping, the girls beautiful and were doing dirty lap dances, and the general feel of the place was good. The music wasn't my type, but it wasn't too loud and at least the stage always had two girl dancing throughout my visit. I had a few girls approach me to offer me company and I suppose, a lap dance. But, I was still in a peasant, post-coital afterglow from Ms. Mara, who was nowhere in the league of these girls. I decided to come back to Troya the next evening and make a night of it there.

After a few beers at Troya, I was feeling tired from all the sightseeing that day. BTW, beers at Troya and Atunes were 8 k each versus 5 k in the Chapinero strip clubs. You would think it would be the other way around. I slid back to my hotel on foot without incident, my testicles emptied and attempted a good night's rest. Unfortunately, that didn't happen.

I just realized an error in my last post about my visit to Santa Fe. I was retracing some of my steps on my visit to Santa Fe using Google Maps. Then I noticed something wrong. I thought I was being led to Atunes. Actually, when looking at the location on Google Street View, the sign over the locations said Atones. That explains a few things. I thought Atunes was supposed to be a nicer club, but it was a bit downscale and gritty.

But, I think I can be forgiven. How do two competing clubs have such similar names? Was one trying to glom off the other's fame. So, for the record, that was Atonesthat I visited. Sorry for any confusion.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2222114], beers at Troya and Atunes were 8 k each versus 5 k in the Chapinero strip clubs. [/QUOTE]Do you get beer from the bar, or from the waiter? It was 6 K when I visited last year.

Not sure how it works, This was in a different bar. I got a higher price from the waiter when I had a table. I got a beer directly from the bar on a later visit and it was cheaper.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2222303]Do you get beer from the bar, or from the waiter? It was 6 K when I visited last year.

Not sure how it works, This was in a different bar. I got a higher price from the waiter when I had a table. I got a beer directly from the bar on a later visit and it was cheaper.[/QUOTE]Obviously, he got the beer from the waiter. In Santa Fe, many/most nightclub waiters will rip off the tourist. I am assuming they don't scam the locals.

At Troya, Club Colombia is 7 K COP. Poker beer is probably 1 K less. I hope E didn't tip after he got scammed.

A few months ago, waitress at Lion charged me 10 K. As I was leaving, I saw the prices posted on the table. I think it was 6 K. After this, I vowed never again to be ripped off. I went to California club. Fuckhead waiter attempted to charged me 15 K. I just looked / stared at him. He then gave me 5 K change. I continued to stare at him. Then I think he gave me another 4 K. Then he said "tip". I laughed. I mean I would have given him 2 K tip if he didn't try to rip me off.

Also, some of the waiters at Pussy House will try to scam you. They'll charge you 8 K for a Club Colombia. Price is 6 K.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2219336]I'm in Bogota now pecking this off on my tablet. So I will be brief. Went to Chicas Melenio on Calle 71 last night after 9. Place was full and rocking. More of a party house than traditional casa. Decent lineup maybe 9 girls free. I was sitting next to a Colombian dude who spoke some English. He was sitting with a trashy branca Brazilian who he said was his girlfriend. He told me the price per hour was 80 k. I chatted with tall slender Venezuelan and wanted to take her to do the deed. She quoted me 150. No way. My acquaintance intervened and chatted with in Spanish. He them confirmed what she asked and kindly got one of the managers to come over because he felt the price quoted was all wrong. Manager lady confirmed the price at that time was 150 k. My acquaintance explained he was charged less because he earlier. I wasn't buying that. So I chatted a bit with my new friend while the Caracas babe drifted into conversation with her gal pal, another Venezuelan. My new friend said good night, kissed the branch and left and I looked at the Brazilian. She wasn't pretty but her lingerie was off the map and body was awesome. She walked across the room and back and I could see she had the best body in the house. She sat down next to me and told me that guy wasn't really a boyfriend and she was free. I couldn't resist, ripoff or not. We settled on an hour for 150 k and went to the desk where a different manager sat. This manager said it was 180 for sexo! I protested that was not what I was told. She came back with 160 k for half an hour. And I just said, Basta! Basta! That branca was sexy as hell and I really wanted to be with her. But if I agreed to 180 they would probably raise the price again before we hit the room. I headed to the door and was surprised when they didn't pitch a counter offer, and that was it. I guess they couldn't lose face then or just didn't want to do the right thing. Either way, avoid this place. I had a better experience this morning across the street at Chicas 2000 where the price are posted on the wall in big letters. 35 for medio and 70 una hora! I will give a full report later when I get back but I suggest you avoid Chicas Melenio for now.[/QUOTE]Chicas Milenio is the only casa, out of the 5 I've been to, that didn't have prices posted.

Prices should be 30 K for 20 minutes, 40 K for 30 minutes, and 70 K for 1 hour. It seems that the girls there are allowed to overcharge the customers. But I am "only" overcharged 10 K when I select a new girl. If I repeat, I demand the girl charges me the standard price since I tip for BBBJ.

In Chicas Milenio, there seems to be 3 people that work the cash register. The older lady will allow the girls to overcharge you. The younger lady seems to be honest. When I accepted a new girl's offer of 40K for 20 minutes, she told me that price was for 30 minutes. And she told this to me and the girl. There is a new person, a male. Watch out for that fucker. He will rip you off. He kept my change, and acted dumb when I ask for my change back.

Note: It seems the worst time to go to Chicas Milenio or Chicas 2000 is Saturday night (not sure about Friday night). Hardly any girls there. It seems the best time is between 4PM-5PM during the weekdays. At that time, you have both shifts available. And I hate to go to the Pussy House or Venus on a Friday or Saturday night because it is so packed. But Venus was fun on a weekend night. I couldn't get a seat, but guys were having sex with the strippers on stage.

It seems to be extremely difficult to get BBBJ at the cases and the Santa Fe nightclubs without tipping. Some will refuse. Many seems to want 50 K. I paid that last year. But this time, I tried to get it cheaper. I bargained! I was able to get it to 20 K for couple of girls. Some of the girls held firm at 30 K or 40 K. Couple refused to go under 50 K. But the good news is that some included CIM with BBBJ.

Note: there is an Info desk on the second floor where you can get the latest information.

At the baggage claim, there is a counter where you can get a SIM. But the price was ridiculous. It was $49 USD for 1 Gig for 30 days.

You can get a Claro SIM at the convenience store on the first floor. It was 70 something COP. But the price was double or maybe triple for what you can get at an official Claro store. Another poster wrote that you can get a SIM at some electronics store on the second floor.

The last 2 trips, I got an Avantel SIM. I was told it was cheaper than Claro. 20 K COP for 2 gigs and X minutes for 30 days. Plus the cost of the SIM. But something funny happened. This current trip, I went to the same store in Zona T to get a new SIM and data. I was told that I needed a Colombian ID. He said I couldn't get a new SIM with a passport. I got it before. Is this a new rule? Or a rule never enforced?

At the airport, there is a coupon Van service. It was 70 something COP for a van from the airport to Zona T. There is no coupon service for a passenger car.

I took a regular meter taxi at the airport a few times. I hate to do that. Every time, they tried to scam me. Note: a good android app is Calculadora de Tarifas. It calculates your taxi fare. This pass trip, the fare should have been 26400 COP from the airport to Zona T. I gave him 30 K. I was going to let him have the change. Then he demanded 35 K. Then I took back the 30 K and gave him 28 K (I didn't have any smaller change), and showed him the calculator app.

If I have data left on my phone, I use Uber at the airport. But that's a minor pain. It takes them time for them to get to the airport, plus they park at the parking lot, and you have to walk (short distance) and find them.

Last year, I took Uber to the airport. As I was walking around the airport, a female police officer stopped me and asked me how I got to the airport. I told her I took Uber. I showed her my Uber page on my phone. She jotted down some info and told me to have a nice day. Later on, I got a message from Uber saying that they were sorry that I got stopped by the police, and they were refunding me my Uber fare. I feel guilty if my Uber driver never got paid.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2222330]Chicas Milenio is the only casa, out of the 5 I've been to, that didn't have prices posted.

Prices should be 30 K for 20 minutes, 40 K for 30 minutes, and 70 K for 1 hour. It seems that the girls there are allowed to overcharge the customers. But I am "only" overcharged 10 K when I select a new girl. If I repeat, I demand the girl charges me the standard price since I tip for BBBJ.

In Chicas Milenio, there seems to be 3 people that work the cash register. The older lady will allow the girls to overcharge you. The younger lady seems to be honest. When I accepted a new girl's offer of 40K for 20 minutes, she told me that price was for 30 minutes. And she told this to me and the girl. There is a new person, a male. Watch out for that fucker. He will rip you off. He kept my change, and acted dumb when I ask for my change back.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info in your last two posts. And others can learn from my experience and yours. Yes, obviously they were trying to rip me off at Chicas Milenio. Both of the female "administradoras" (as my acquaintance called them) were guilty of participating in the report attempts, including the pretty younger girl, Alejandra. She was the one who told me it was now 175 k for an hour of "sexo" with Barbara the branca Paulista. I've never encountered that nonsense anywhere else in Colombia and I hope I never do again.

Okay, I understand now why the Santa Fe clubs charge more for beer. You pay more for getting it from a waiter and he keeps his tip? I don't mind a guy making a living or wanting to be tipped. But, obviously this is not acceptable. Presumably standards of honesty are upheld more at the Chapinero strip clubs? BTW, I also had a waiter at Fiebre try to charge me 30 k for a large Heineken. I walked out.

Yes, I took that van from the airport and paid too much at 68 k to Chapinero. I was still groggy, hadn't had any coffee yet and wasn't thinking clear. I had the same problem you had on the way back to the airport. I gave the driver 25 k which was what the Tappsi app listed from my hotel in the CBD to BOG. Driver said it wasn't enough and all I had left was a 50 k note. Handed him that, he wanted to keep all of it and the 25 k I had just given him. I objected and he gave the 25 k back, and I still objected until he gave me another 10 k back. I wasn't ready to argue since he had given me a pleasant ride and I had a plane to catch. So, it was 40 k. But, next time I will try Uber.

First time I hear they don't sell a SIM card with passport. Just try in any other shop or ask any Colombian to buy it for you. Regarding the taxi fair, the meter just calculate the distance and time, but on top of that there is the airport fee of 4400 but also night 2100 or week end fee 2100. And if they scam you with a couple of pesos, just remember that taxi drivers work hard and earn very few. The real scam at the airport are the so called VIP taxis( regular taxis are yellow, VIP taxis are white). Don't answer to people coming to you and offering what they call "official" taxi, just walk to the yellow taxi line. Regarding Uber, yes it is illegal in Colombia so it's not a good idea to use it from the airport. Keep in mind that regular taxi drivers queued for hours before they can pick someone up in airport.

There are some bad quality Santa Fe videos if you search YouTube in English but a Spanish search leads you to this guy's channel.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwZYkE4DIOad3EMTRKDU8dw/videos[/URL]

He strapped a GoPro on his motorcycle helmet and rides through SF during the day time on a few occasions. Much better quality than the hidden camera recordings. The quantity of girls is typical of day time. At night there's more of course. I think these videos are helpful for newbies trying to get a feel of a place before they go. There are a lot of these kinds of walk-by videos on YouTube for other monger cities like Angeles City and Pattaya but not many for Colombia.

BTW regarding SIM cards, my friend who came to visit me from Venezuela got a 4 G LTE data + voice minutes Claro SIM card from a small street side shop for 5 k COP. I didn't get the details of how much data and voice it included, but I believe over the course of 6 days she had to recharge it once for another 5 k. If you simply use Uber, Maps, WhatsApp whatever it comes with should be enough. So as I said in my earlier report I paid 77 k COP for 2 GB for 2 weeks at the airport. Clearly it's both overkill and overpriced. Since she's from VNZ, I assume as a foreigner you should also be able to get the same thing.

[QUOTE=Routard;2222447] Regarding the taxi fair, the meter just calculate the distance and time, but on top of that there is the airport fee of 4400 but also night 2100 or week end fee 2100. And if they scam you with a couple of pesos, just remember that taxi drivers work hard and earn very few. The real scam at the airport are the so called VIP taxis( regular taxis are yellow, VIP taxis are white). Don't answer to people coming to you and offering what they call "official" taxi, just walk to the yellow taxi line. Regarding Uber, yes it is illegal in Colombia so it's not a good idea to use it from the airport. Keep in mind that regular taxi drivers queued for hours before they can pick someone up in airport.[/QUOTE]Thanks for weighing in, Routard. I definitely don't mind giving a driver his fare share and a tip. I do expect they do spend a lot of time working the streets for little. Its the idea that you can milk gringos for all they can get away with, is what is bothersome. But, I wasn't away of the airport fee, the night fee or weekend fees. Thanks for that info.

Day 4, the first half.

Woke up much too early thanks to noise and sun light shining into my room. Looked at the time on my tablet and it was going on 6 AM, which is when I usually wake up at home. Despite being on the 9th floor, the noise from the street was too much and the light always wakes me up in the morning. I forgot to put in my earplugs and my sleep mask on the previous night. And sleep is crucial to testosterone production when you are my age. It didn't help that after I got back to my room, I drink two of those mini airline size bottles of scotch while watching a movie on cable. Anyways, the lack of sleep almost ruined my last day. After realizing that I wasn't going to be able to fall back asleep I got up and went downstairs to take the complimentary breakfast (which was as bland as you would expect in Colombia).

I wanted to go up to Montserratte, so I took a cab there, waited in a long line for tickets (though the line up the funicular rail car wasn't long at all. Its worth a visit if you haven't seen it. Once I got back down and got a cab back to the hotel, I decided to take a disco nap but had little results. So off to my second task of the day: go visit Chicas 2000 again. The Transmilenio runs out front and after my initial experience the previous day I thought I'd save some cash and take it up the road into Champinero. However, it went up a bumpy stretch most of the way and standing room only. I almost got off early because it was so uncomfortable. But, at least it was fast. I got off at calle 70 and made my way to Chicas 2000. I think the time was around 1 PM.

William was talking to the guys who worked the door across the street at Chicas Milenio. But, he saw me coming and opened the door for me. I passed a pair of cute girls sitting on the bench outside and one, a criolla girl caught my eye. Once I sat down, the girls all assembled quickly and there were 7 to choose from. I was looking for Lis, the one I'd seen the other day and Catalina, because I liked her very good CBJ. Neither Lis not Catalina were in the lineup, but the options were good. I went for the pretty and curvy criolla. Her name was Kamila and she was from Caracas. We went upstairs to the only room available, which I didn't like as much as the one I was in earlier. Off with our clothes and I got a good look at her. She had a dark caramel complexion, facial features and skin texture of a negra, but her hair was straight and silky, with highlights the color of her skin. She definitely had her MILF curves going and under her navel there was a distinct see-section scar, but no other prominent baby damage. I started to go for her nice nipples with my mouth, but she warned me that it would be 15 k. Not what I wanted to hear, since Catalina had let me nosh on her nipples all I wanted for free. But, I guess that's because she had less to work with. I paid up because that's what I wanted to do most at that moment. And you better believe I got my $5 worth. When I tried to go down on that caramel cookie, she told me 15 k, as well. I'm not going to pay to pleasure a woman. This is a first for me. Hopefully it will be my last. Kamila had a bit of trouble figuring out how to get the Okamoto on, due to its thinness. I had to get it going the right way for her. Her BBBJ was decent, but nowhere as good as Catalina's. Kamila got me hard with her BJ, Catalina made me cum. Eventually she mounted me and she rode pretty good for awhile, and then did a good reverse cowgirl so I could peer at her nice ass. Eventually I flipped her on her back and she even pulled her legs back with her hands and let me give her a pounding. I finished on top and then we chit-chatted a bit after that with my limited Spanish. She hadn't been in Bogota long, and from the way things went, I don't think she just began her career as puta here in the short period of time. She told me some things about her home, but the thing I made out best was it was just a very bad situation. I inquired about the time, she looked at her phone and announced the time was, in fact, up now (or something to that effect). I had my doubts about that. But, I got dressed and at least she did not ask for a propina.

Speaking of propinas, in Medellin I never had a girl charge for any service beyond what I paid up front. However, two of them in Medellin got aggressive for a propina and one got real pissy about it until I gave her one and then she complained it wasn't enough to buy P*MP*rs for her baby (yes, that is a forbidden word, any type of paper product used around the bottom of an infant. It is censored). Both of those girls asked for my phone to put their number in my contact list (though I wasn't interested in repeating with them). Nobody in Bogota wanted to exchange contact info, but they never asked for tips, either. I don't know if that reflects my limited personal experience or different standards in the two cities. To be honest, I could not see how women in Medellin were any better looking, whether in the casas or ordinary girls on the street. As I see it, Colombia is just a land of pretty women. But there might be some difference between the Modus Operandi of girls in different cities.

As for Kamila, would I repeat? No, unless we had everything worked out well before we started and I had "all access" to their body. As for young little Catalina, I would definitely do it again as long as we got the kissing upcharge taken care of. Had she done DFK it would have been a complete GFE. She was the best in terms of relating to my needs after the MILF I pulled off the street in Santa Fe, later that evening. Oh, and as I walked out, there was Lis sitting there in her underwear reading another catalogue or magazine or something. She looked up at me and smiled. But, us was never to be.

To be continued.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2222758]We went upstairs to the only room available, which I didn't like as much as the one I was in earlier.[/QUOTE]There's also rooms available next door, within the same complex. They use that when it gets full upstairs.

I went to Chicas 2000 today and saw Camilia (I think). She was probably the skinniest one there. I like skinny girls. It seems a lot of guys on this forum like large asses. But I don't like to do a girl whose ass is larger than mine. I offered her 20 K then 30 K propina for BBBJ. She said 50 K. She wouldn't budge. I asked if CIM was included. She said no. Oh well. Covered BJ wasn't that bad. Although she time after 20 minutes. It seems in the cases, the girl determines when time is up. In the Santa Fe nightclubs, you get the dreaded knock on the door very early.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2222330]Chicas Milenio is the only casa, out of the 5 I've been to, that didn't have prices posted.

Prices should be 30 K for 20 minutes, 40 K for 30 minutes, and 70 K for 1 hour. It seems that the girls there are allowed to overcharge the customers.[/QUOTE]Note: Need to take everything what the girls tell you with "a grain of salt". Plus my Spanish is very limited.

I talked to a girl I've had before at Chicas Milenio. She said the prices went up. She said that now the prices are: 40 K for 20 minutes, 50 K for 30 minutes, and still 70 K for 1 hour. She said the girls get half of what they charge. My guess is that the girls can charge whatever they want. I believe at Chicas 2000, the girl gets 20 K out of the 35 K for the half hour.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2222342]The last 2 trips, I got an Avantel SIM. I was told it was cheaper than Claro. 20 K COP for 2 gigs and X minutes for 30 days. Plus the cost of the SIM. But something funny happened. This current trip, I went to the same store in Zona T to get a new SIM and data. I was told that I needed a Colombian ID. He said I couldn't get a new SIM with a passport. I got it before. Is this a new rule? Or a rule never enforced?[/QUOTE]I've had problems with Avantel. Last time, my data ended early (according to my phone measurement). Last night, my data ended after 400 MB. Should have been 2 Gig. Not sure what happened. Maybe the person I bought the data from ripped me off.

I went and got a Claro SIM. It was 20 K for 2 Gig for 15 days. 5 K for minutes. 5 K for the SIM. I need reliable data to call Uber if I am in a sketchy area!

I went to an authorized Claro dealer. No ID required. I was not even asked for a passport.

Day 4, the evening in Santa Fe.

Got back to my hotel via cab. The ride up on the Transmilenio was too rough up on the way up. Done with that. Attempted a disco nap, but couldn't nap too long before I woke up. It was getting dark and my stomach was rumbling. I had passed on lunch, and wanted to find some grub in the immediate proximity before it got dark and things shut down. The area around the Hotel San Francisco and business district actually has a lot of things to see and do in regards to shopping and eating during. After dark, I don't know. I found a ordinary sit-down restaurant across the carerra that served me up a large portion of food, and a beer for 11,400 ($3. 70 USD). Can't complain about that.

Headed over to Sante Fe after dark and made the rounds on the streets first. Saw the same cute girl with big boobs on the same corner. But, she didn't look any more encouraging on a Monday night, and there was less action on the streets that evening.

Decided to check out Troya, because it was hopping the night before. I was ready to whoop it up and buy some quality time with some sweet young thing. Boy, was I disappointed. The place was dead. I understand that they weren't many customers, but there were quite a lot of good looking women standing around, music playing and nobody dancing. I didn't get it. I sat and drank a beer and noticed most of the girls standing around sucking on Lolipops. What was this, Lolipop night? After my beer was done, I got up and left. I walked around and went into Venus. Same thing. Girls standing around and an empty stage. The scene inside Venus reminded me of Thermae in Bangkok. Very young, bored, fully clothed girls, some very well fed, looking at their phones and waiting for something to happen. I turned around and left. What was going on? Strip clubs full of girls but none of them dancing. WTF? I found Fiebre, which was supposed to be good. At least they had a girl dancing on the stage, and a good dancer. However, I didn't notice many girls in there, and the mood was dead. I sat by the stage and waiter told me they had Heineken and Corona. I'm sure they had more, but I asked for a Heineken because I hate Corona. He brought a large Heineken, and told me 30 k. WTF? Large or not, I knew 30 k was a lot for a beer in Colombia. I objected, he told me a Corona was 10 k and went to fetch one. I broke like the wind, and headed for the door. It was not shaping up to be a good night, so far.

When I stepped outside it was raining. I walked around the block to see what was going on, and saw a hole in the wall bar called Taberna Napoles. It looked like a place to get out of the rain and rethink things. I stepped in and ordered an agua mineral. A pair of scruffy looking characters were talking in hushed tones at one table and that was all the customers they had. Behind the bar were three girls, one of them extremely cute, another just cute and another plain. But all made me welcome. They were playing music off of a MacBook and asked me what I wanted to hear. I was fine with the Regatton they were playing even if I didn't like that stuff. The cute one chatted with me as best we could. She wore a low-cut crop top exposing a nice rack, a belly piercing and an interesting tattoo around her waist. I was hoping she was for hire, because she was cute, sexy, friendly and was employed primarily in an ordinary job. So, I was flirting hard, until an older gentleman showed up and they started answering to him. I asked if that was the "Jefe" and the cute one nodded in affirmation. Things got a bit more business like there with the boss hanging around. I finished my bottle of water and headed out after the rain quit. I walked up the road just a few yards looking at the girls standing in the driveway of the motels across the way. Then I saw her.

Five girls were standing in one garage entrance, and they all were nicely done up and reasonably attractive. However, the one on the end made unflinching eye contact with me, smiled and I went up to her. She was a distinctly older morena than the other girls, but she had this confidence to her the others didn't, not to mention we just sort of clicked. I liked her outfit which said "date night" as opposed to "street hoe". Plus, she had some good MILF curves going. She wasn't beautiful, but she was cute and had soft eyes and brown hair. How much? 34, she said, not 30, not 35, not 40, but 34 k COP. I nodded and asked her name. She told me and I forgot it almost immediately. It was a common name and somehow it slipped my mind before we were even finished. Walked up to the counter of the motel and I see a sign that says 6000 por 15 Minutos. Okay, now I get it. I pay the motel and then its 40 k total. I wonder if they raised their rates just a few mil. If she would drop her price correspondingly. They handed her the tray with the wipes and condoms and she leads me to the first room. It didn't have a flat screen with porn going on. However, it did have a poster of Snow White on the wall, and a nice mirror opposite the bed, which actually functioned well. They was also a large squirt bottle of PURE lubricant on the nightstand, which came in handy.

So of with her date clothes and she was wearing nice, white "post date you just got so lucky" lingerie. A lacy teddy that looked so go on her, I almost didn't want her to take it off. Damn if I didn't get lucky. For a 34 k short-time street hooker, she was mighty done up! But, we were promptly naked and she was pleasantly fleshy, with a nice big but shapely butt, nice boobs and no visible baby damage other than her MILF curves. She went through a quick program, but she did it very well. She even turned her ass to the mirror while going down on me. When I started to finger her pussy she grabbed the bottle of lube a squirted some on my fingers, so I could actually slide them inside her cooze. She got on an did cowgirl, and her cookie still felt decent. But I had already popped this morning and I knew our time was limited. I asked her to give me an hand job through gesticulation and damned if she didn't do an excellent handjob. The best I've ever gotten, actually. I popped rather quickly after that, she gave me a wet wipe to clean up while she into the bathroom to wash up. The knock came at the door. We got dressed in a hurry and the knock came again. Our fifteen minutes were up. I actually wanted to give her a little tip but she was gone in a flash. I walked out and didn't see her either. Had she hung around and leaned on me a bit, I might have proposed toda la noche, even if it was just cuddling & fondling. But, I guess she had places to go and things to do.

Interesting comparison between her and the 35 k short-time Paula at Bar La 70. Both were very similar in basic demographic. Mature, MILFy morenas but complete opposites in terms of grooming, attitude and service levels, though working at the same level and same price. One gave the best hand job in the world, and the other couldn't give a hand job to save her life. And that's the lesson I learned about low end working girls in Bogota.

Hey everyone,

I just got back from Cartagena and loved the clubs like Elektra there because you can dance with the chicas first to see if you have good vibe with them prior to taking them back to your room. Usually if they dance well with you, you will have a good session in bed. Are there any clubs similar to that in Bogota?

[QUOTE=ThaiSpice;2223343]Hey everyone,

I just got back from Cartagena and loved the clubs like Elektra there because you can dance with the chicas first to see if you have good vibe with them prior to taking them back to your room. Usually if they dance well with you, you will have a good session in bed. Are there any clubs similar to that in Bogota?[/QUOTE]Yes, you can party with the girls in most clubs in Santa Fe. Dirty Dancing.

[QUOTE=ThaiSpice;2223343]I just got back from Cartagena and loved the clubs like Elektra there because you can dance with the chicas first to see if you have good vibe with them prior to taking them back to your room. Usually if they dance well with you, you will have a good session in bed. Are there any clubs similar to that in Bogota?[/QUOTE]I guess it is all in the name of the fantasy. I never dance with hookers but still almost always have a good session in bed with them.

I read through all the posts and I am looking to my first visit there.

Kudos to everyone who spent time to share their wisdom and experience.

It helps noob like me who's visiting for the first time.

Let me know if anyone is around next this weekend to meet up. Not sure how this will work since I can't sign up for membership since I am from US.

The.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2222596]There are some bad quality Santa Fe videos if you search YouTube in English but a Spanish search leads you to this guy's channel.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwZYkE4DIOad3EMTRKDU8dw/videos[/URL]

He strapped a GoPro on his motorcycle helmet and rides through SF during the day time on a few occasions. Much better quality than the hidden camera recordings. The quantity of girls is typical of day time. At night there's more of course. I think these videos are helpful for newbies trying to get a feel of a place before they go. There are a lot of these kinds of walk-by videos on YouTube for other monger cities like Angeles City and Pattaya but not many for Colombia.[/QUOTE]These videos are 2+ years old, I think the quality is better now and they were not shot at the best times. The first 2 were shot on the South part which has lower quality.

[QUOTE=DWorldTravel69;2223491]I read through all the posts and I am looking to my first visit there.

Kudos to everyone who spent time to share their wisdom and experience.

It helps noob like me who's visiting for the first time.

Let me know if anyone is around next this weekend to meet up. Not sure how this will work since I can't sign up for membership since I am from US.

The.[/QUOTE]Read carefully through Routard's blog and the "Lists" blog as well. I guess you have read the more recent trip reports, but don't forget to read through some of the older ones, as well. Just remember, prices change, girls come and go, just as management changes too. When you read the recent trip reports, take everything with a big grain of salt, my recent trip reports included.

You should have a good time in Bogota, if you temper your expectations. Bogota is a great place but as I found sometimes, things can go awry when you go mongering anywhere (read my trip report about Kuta on the Bali thread for an example). Mongering will require some patience at times, whereas sometimes it is a point-and-click experience.

Be cautious but don't be paranoiac. Colombians are genuinely nice people, though some will try to take advantage of you in these vice related scenarios. If you come across a situation with the latter, be assertive but respectful. Don't hesitate to walk out or walk away if you think someone is trying to rip you off. You have the right to say no to any request for a "propina". While I never had anyone request a propina yet in Bogota, it does happen in Colombia and other parts of Latin America. Typically, those who ask for it, are the least deserving, in my experience. No need to over tip for mediocre service.

Try to occupy your time with good cultural experiences unless you are capable of f*cking all day and all night. Try to interact with the locals. Don't be afraid to flirt. The women are nice there and if they see you looking at them, they will often give you a look back. I noticed that in the better neighborhoods where the women are more affluent, they were often more likely to look at you with more curiosity, than say those of the lower class. Remember, there are not many foreign tourists in Bogota, and the ones I identified were mostly from other parts of Latin America.

Be sure to report back and if anyone gives you crap about what you did, put them on ignore. Some losers will always be upset because you were there and they weren't. Your experiences will you own, just like mine were my own. But yours will be with you forever.

What are the hours for Chicas Milenia? FAQ says open til 3 am and when I googled it shows 10-10 every day.

Can someone confirm?

The.

Thanks for your input Eszpresszo.

I'll go out and explore. There were a lot of good reports including yours and now it's time to put to test to see how much I remember.

I am going to be staying in chapinero area and wondering if there are any recommendations for food and then some fun after 10 pm without having to venture out too far.

The.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2223929]Read carefully through Routard's blog and the "Lists" blog as well. I guess you have read the more recent trip reports, but don't forget to read through some of the older ones, as well. Just remember, prices change, girls come and go, just as management changes too. When you read the recent trip reports, take everything with a big grain of salt, my recent trip reports included.

You should have a good time in Bogota, if you temper your expectations. Bogota is a great place but as I found sometimes, things can go awry when you go mongering anywhere (read my trip report about Kuta on the Bali thread for an example). Mongering will require some patience at times, whereas sometimes it is a point-and-click experience..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DWorldTravel69;2223933]What are the hours for Chicas Milenia? FAQ says open til 3 am and when I googled it shows 10-10 every day.

Can someone confirm?[/QUOTE]Last year, my Uber dropped me off around midnight during the weekday. One girl (with her boyfriend, no one else around) was locking the front door.

She told me to go to Santa Fe for the late night stuff.

I just Love Santa Fe because I can leave my apartment and be boning some hot girl in 10 minutes!! I Make sure and take my Viagra before leaving!

Santa Fe Pussy Fest.

Thursday 8-30 for 3 hours cavorting with the Streetie sweeties. There were gaggles of girls on 23 d at least 20 18-20 somethings lined up. They kept changing and there would be new girls every few minutes, it's fantastic!

I boned 3 girls 4 times All super cuties.

I was looking for this one girl that I had boned before and was kinda thinking about for a while. I did see her but decided to pass when she was throwing some attitude.

1st girl was Really a pretty morena Venezolana but kinda cold in the room. Actually felt a little rapey but I think she was actually enjoying it trying not to show it, Afterward I was just wandering around smoking a joint cavorting with the girls.

2nd was a super cute petite girl looked like a HS senior. She was white with a jewfro I don't think she had any kids when I started boning her she was screaming and she let me pull her hair. Just a great session, afterwards I was walking around and decided I wanted some more of that. I could not find her and met this other really cute dark haired 18 yo Latina she had nice C+ cups and was able to deep throat. She also let me pull her hair and was screaming too, I ended up boning her 2 times. (3 d Girl).

Spent $140 miltotal.

Saturday 9-01.

3 hours in Troya.

Got to Santa Fe about 8 pm doing a tour, caroused the streets walked through a bunch of clubs, My client was a little shell shocked by the wide array of talent.

We ended up Troya at 9 pm seems like around 9;30 things seemed to improve and about 15+ more girls showed up. My guess is a lot of girls came in from the North clubs after trying to bag a big spender. It was the usual spectacular bacchanal of beautiful naked girls doing full contact lap dances. Another great night in Santa Fe!

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2225416]The high volume of Santa Fe is probably how the above-mentioned Vanessa makes more money there than at the Mansion. With 60 k quickies in Santa Fe, and 150-200 k "horitas" at the Mansion, she must be fucking 3-4 times as many guys as she did at the Mansion, but for shorter time increments.[/QUOTE]Just to point out once again one monger's first hand experience that a chick he knew from a more expensive place, he ended up running into right in Santa Fe. Don't fool yourself guys.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2225826]Just to point out once again one monger's first hand experience that a chick he knew from a more expensive place, he ended up running into right in Santa Fe. Don't fool yourself guys.[/QUOTE]Thank you for catching that revealing detail, which, for those of you that did not see it, is in the overview of my recent trip to Medellin and Bogota on the "General Info" thread for Colombia.

Suffice it to say that there is more where that came from. I will be posting a detailed report on the Bogota leg of my trip, in which I make the case that Santa Fe is most worthwhile game in town and that the high-end clubs up north are a waste of time and money. And keep in mind that this assessment comes from a guy who would normally gravitate toward higher-end venues.

I've spent few days in Bogota and it number of places on mentioned on the map with mixed results. I'll post my review to share my experience.

I am tempted to visit SF and I am not sure If it's advisable to go alone.

I am unable to sign up and don't have access to the pm which limits my ability to get local help.

Can someone provide a advisable route for visit SF like where to get dropped off and stay off of? Just trying to, stay away from any troubles.

The.

I spent the second week of my recent two-week trip to Colombia in Bogota, after spending a week in Medellin. Many Colombia mongers focus so much on Medellin and paisas that it is easy to forget that Colombia is a large and diverse country, in which paisas are just one regional culture. I previously had enough exposure to non-paisa chicas in Cartagena and the Dutch Caribbean to known that they might be just as appealing to me as paisas, if not more so. Colombia's capital and largest city, which attracts chicas from across the country and also from neighboring Venezuela, was a logical place to explore further. Bogota is also off the beaten path for most gringo mongers; I liked the idea of exploring a more "pristine" and relatively gringo-free environment. I also place more emphasis on non-mongering activities than most mongers, and Bogota appealed to me in that regard as well, with about four days worth of sightseeing, including museums, historic buildings, Monserrate, and so on.

I had originally planned to explore all three of Bogota's main "hoe zones" more or less equally: the Santa Fe red light district downtown; the clubs and casas in Chapinero to the north; and the high-end clubs in the far north. I nonetheless ended up spending the vast majority of my mongering time in Santa Fe, after determining that neither the far north nor Chapinero were worth the cost and / or the time, as I will explain in a separate, follow-on post. I recommend sticking to Santa Fe, if you are comfortable with its major downsides, and avoiding Bogota altogether if you are not comfortable with Santa Fe. I should emphasize that I would not have expected to come to this conclusion when I planned my trip, and I normally gravitate toward higher-end environments, so keep that in mind when you read this.

Safety had been one of my top concerns about Santa Fe, and its reputation as unsafe evidently stems from more than the overactive imaginations of high-maintenance gringos. Many of the cab drivers that dropped me off there told me to be careful, but none of them could provide any specifics as to what the actual dangers might be, and what to be careful of. Santa Fe definitely looks and feels ghetto, but I did not experience any security issues in the week that I was there. Mostly at night (sometimes as late as 3 am), sometimes during the day, and by myself at all times but one. I never felt unsafe there but was often uncomfortable for other reasons, such as noise and overcrowding. There is a conspicuous police presence, especially at night, and it is so crowded at night that a violent crime would have enough witnesses to deter smarter criminals. I even saw moms pushing their kids around in strollers at night. My main security concern would be pickpockets, especially in the clubs, some of which can become as crowded as mosh pits at night. The trick may be to stay within the three heavily populated blocks with most of the action and avoid the rest not unlike Tijuana, which (from what I have read) might make for a good comparison with Santa Fe, except Santa Fe is cheaper and largely gringo-free.

I engaged Woodman here on ISG for a guided tour of Santa Fe in order to familiarize myself with the area and learn some of the practical details that I could not clarify from the reporting here and elsewhere. The noisy, crowded environment was a bit overwhelming at first (keep in mind that this was the reaction of a native New Yorker), and the volume and occasional quality of the talent on display did leave me with a bit of a "deer in the headlights" feeling. There was definitely some culture shock at first not the culture shock of a gringo escaping the sexually repressed culture of North America, but a culture shock coming from the tamer environment of Medellin, of all places. My key takeaway from Woodman's tour was that he made me comfortable with the area and its unfamiliar atmosphere and environment, which I might not have done if I had gone by myself for the first time, especially at night. Some suggest visiting Santa Fe during the day at first, when it is presumably safer and easier to learn the layout, and when the atmosphere and environment would be less overwhelming. In fact, some of the daytime girls that I later met told me that they only work during the day because the nighttime environment was too overwhelming or "loco" (in their words) for them.

I had historically been wary of street girls but eventually decided to take the plunge after I could no longer resist the quality of some of the talent on display. In retrospect, I wish that I had opted for street girls earlier on, as the quality of their service was more consistently good than that of the club girls (but not as good as that of the better club girls), and their rooms were better. Street girls usually had lower rates (typically 40-50 k) than club girls (typically 60 k), if saving 10-20 k is important to you. The street and club scenes are not entirely separate, as some street girls may wander in and out of the clubs.

I had read before my trip that Atunes, Troya, and Fiebre were the best clubs, with which I would agree, but I would also add Paisas to that list. The quality of the talent and the facilities at other clubs was generally lower. The clubs are mostly open at night, but Atunes is strictly a daytime / happy hour club, and some lower-end clubs are also open during the day. The atmosphere of Atunes reminded me of Rumba in Sosua back in the day. The daytime girls, in Atunes or on the street, struck me as less hardened and had a "kinder, gentler" look and vibe, often of the MILF or "girl next door" variety.

Most girls do not work for clubs but move in and out of them; they may nonetheless prefer certain clubs, as I did. There were a few dancers that appeared to work for the house, doing lap dances or otherwise entertaining bottle service guys. They were often the hottest girls but may be so busy on stage or with bottle service guys that it might be hard to pull them. Paisas worked well for me because it had good lighting, decent rooms, music that was not deafeningly loud, and not overcrowded. It attracted more paisas, blondes, and other types that I like. Fiebre attracted the most and the hottest girls and had the best session rooms but was overcrowded, dark, and deafeningly loud to the point that it was often hard to discuss even basic stuff, like pricing and services. Troya put on the best stage show, and I found some good hoes there, but the rooms sucked, to the point of detracting from sessions.

The physical quality of the talent was often quite high for such cheap places and offered far more variety than the homogeneity of Medellin, with a wide range of girls from across the country and Venezuela. Venezuelans were abundant, but I did not find them any better, on average, than Colombians in terms of appearance, service, or pricing. The tits & ass types (often of the silicone variety) were more common than the evident fixation with flaquitas in some Medellin circles. Santa Fe is definitely a "locals' joint" on a massive scale, so the composition of the talent pool reflects the tastes of Colombian guys, not gringos. The orientation toward gringo tastes in many gringo-oriented venues has been an issue for me, as my taste in women is more consistent with that of Latinos. I remember seeing those short & skinny girls when I came to Medellin for the first time and wondered, "where are all the huge tits & asses for which Colombia is famous?" Well, apparently they are in Santa Fe.

The male: female ratio was less advantageous than most gringo-oriented venues, sometimes roughly 1:1. Girls are far less likely to make the first move here, perhaps because the numbers are more advantageous for them, and in keeping with the more traditional gender norms of many Colombians. It is the polar opposite of Costa Rica or Sosua, where girls fly at you from across the room and jump down your throat if you happen to glance in their general direction for a split second. Flirting with them from a distance usually does not get them to come over. One must approach them proactively, physically, and assertively, and even then they may seem aloof, standoffish, or unresponsive. Extended "interviews" may be impractical in clubs at night due to noise, overcrowding, and the fast, high-volume nature of the business usually just enough to discuss rates and services and not enough to assess chemistry and establish rapport, as I prefer, which probably contributed to some bad sessions that I had.

Santa Fe sessions are typically "hit it & quit it" engagements of 15-20 minutes. Some girls offer to extend sessions if you have not busted a nut by that point and you are willing pay for another time increment. Others are not clock-watchers at all; I spent over an hour in the room with the club girl in the pink dress in the below photo. She did not charge me for any more time (but did ask for a well-deserved tip at the end, which I provided) and even initiated a second round of CIM (I had not requested or negotiated CIM up front), which she miraculously extracted from me after having already drained my nuts thoroughly in the first round. A few girls left the room promptly but chilled with me at length in the club for post-leche GFE, from which it was actually hard to extricate myself. I almost had to pry one of them loose with a crow bar when she started talking about having white babies.

Santa Fe is definitely a high-volume environment, and I wonder how many sessions girls need each night in order to earn enough money. The girls there did occasionally ask me some "screening" questions, as they do in other, lower-volume environments, to assess one's potential desirability as a client. One question that several Santa Fe girls asked me up front, and I have never heard anywhere else, is "how many times have you made love today?" Note that the question is not "have you made love today?" but "how many times have you made love today?" I would wager that they were trying to gauge how easy or hard it would be to get me to bust a nut, and how long it might take.

Payment in Santa Fe is always up front. Most girls covered room costs out of their own fees, but a few asked me to pay for the rooms; they were so cheap (like 6 k) that I saw no need to quibble about it. Club room attendants ask for tips before the session, which Woodman described as a good investment, as a good tip may cause them to "forget" to knock on the door when time is up. Rooms in the clubs often left a lot to be desired, lacking such basics as pillows on the bed or towels. They do have toilets, sinks, and showers, so you can wash your equipment after a session in anticipation of the next one. I made do without pillows by rolling my jeans into a ball and used bed sheets (which they do change after each session) to dry myself off out of the shower the first time, after which I brought my own washcloth. Rooms in the short-time hotels that street girls used were consistently of higher quality.

The quality of the service varied tremendously; the best girls outperformed the typical or even the better Medellin Facebook girls, while the worst began so badly that I just aborted and left. If you like scrounging through cheap shit for diamonds in the rough, Santa Fe is the place for you. In contrast to the prevailing GFE of Medellin, the more vigorous and freaky sexual style here leaned toward PSE.

My main problem with the service was the dominance of CBJ, which is normally a showstopper for me. A majority of girls were CBJ-only, including more of the hotter girls, who can get away with it. The minority of BBBJ girls charged extra for it: 10 k on the low end, 20 k was more typical, and 40 k on the high end. A few did CIM at their own initiative, and one even swallowed at her own initiative.

Santa Fe girls were less photo-friendly than anywhere else I have been; most refused. Of those that said yes, many wanted more money, only allowed body shots, or both. I have included a few samples here.

The place to stay is the cheap, chica-friendly Hotel Ibis Bogota Museo. The rooms are small and basic but of good quality. Breakfast is available for a modest fee, and there is an on-site Peruvian restaurant and a nearby "gastronomy zone" with many restaurants. There are several banks just across the street. Cab rides to and from Santa Fe should not take more than 5-10 minutes and were dirt cheap.

Santa Fe was a fulfilling experience, despite its major flaws. It took me out of my comfort zone and exposed me to a very different scene, some of which fit my tastes better than I expected and may outdo Medellin in some ways. There are some real diamonds here, but the rough in which you find them is very rough, which is to be expected at such low prices. I might return someday for a 3-4 day fuckfest, as a cheaper, more convenient (for me) alternative to Tijuana. Those of you with flights to Medellin or Brazil though Bogota might consider stopping there for a few days, if it sounds appealing to you. Those of you that go to Medellin to scrounge for cheap diamonds in the rough in Centro or Mayorista might find Santa Fe more rewarding in that regard. High-rollers and those that might find Santa Fe intimidating, however, should probably skip Bogota altogether, as I will explain in another post.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2226357]....................... while the worst began so badly that I just aborted and left. If you like scrounging through cheap shit for diamonds in the rough, Santa Fe is the place for you. ...........................The place to stay is the cheap, chica-friendly Hotel Ibis Bogota Museo. The rooms are small and basic but of good quality. Breakfast is available for a modest fee, and there is an on-site Peruvian restaurant and a nearby "gastronomy zone" with many restaurants. ......................[/QUOTE]Very good Sante Fe report that gives me a pretty good idea of the place. Could you give an example of the beginning of your worst experiences that caused you to abort? Was noise an issue for you at the Ibis? How was the ceviche at the Peruvian restaurant?

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2226357]I had historically been wary of street girls but eventually decided to take the plunge after I could no longer resist the quality of some of the talent on display. In retrospect, I wish that I had opted for street girls earlier on, as the quality of their service was more consistently good than that of the club girls (but not as good as that of the better club girls), and their rooms were better. Street girls usually had lower rates (typically 40-50 k) than club girls (typically 60 k), if saving 10-20 k is important to you. The street and club scenes are not entirely separate, as some street girls may wander in and out of the clubs. [/QUOTE]Yes Gringo! The streety sweeties!

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2226357]Santa Fe sessions are typically "hit it & quit it" engagements of 15-20 minutes. Some girls offer to extend sessions if you have not busted a nut by that point and you are willing pay for another time increment. Others are not clock-watchers at all; I spent over an hour in the room with the club girl in the pink dress in the below photo. She did not charge me for any more time (but did ask for a well-deserved tip at the end, which I provided) and even initiated a second round of CIM (I had not requested or negotiated CIM up front), which she miraculously extracted from me after having already drained my nuts thoroughly in the first round. A few girls left the room promptly but chilled with me at length in the club for post-leche GFE, from which it was actually hard to extricate myself. I almost had to pry one of them loose with a crow bar when she started talking about having white babies.[/QUOTE]Also a good economical way to try the girl and if it is all good, get phone number for extended date.

I really enjoy reports with pictures. You did an amazing job!

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2226357]I spent the second week of my recent two-week trip to Colombia in Bogota, after spending a week in Medellin. Many Colombia mongers focus so much on Medellin and paisas that it is easy to forget that Colombia is a large and diverse country, in which paisas are just one regional culture. I previously had enough exposure to non-paisa chicas in Cartagena and the Dutch Caribbean to known that they might be just as appealing to me as paisas, if not more so. Colombia's capital and largest city, which attracts chicas from across the country and also from neighboring Venezuela, was a logical place to explore further. Bogota is also off the beaten path for most gringo mongers; I liked the idea of exploring a more "pristine" and relatively gringo-free environment. I also place more emphasis on non-mongering activities than most mongers, and Bogota appealed to me in that regard as well, with about four days worth of sightseeing, including museums, historic buildings, Monserrate, and so on.

I had originally planned to explore all three of Bogota's main "hoe zones" more or less equally: the Santa Fe red light district downtown; the clubs and casas in Chapinero to the north; and the high-end clubs in the far north. I nonetheless ended up spending the vast majority of my mongering time in Santa Fe, after determining that neither the far north nor Chapinero were worth the cost and / or the time, as I will explain in a separate, follow-on post. I recommend sticking to Santa Fe, if you are comfortable with its major downsides, and avoiding Bogota altogether if you are not comfortable with Santa Fe. I should emphasize that I would not have expected to come to this conclusion when I planned my trip, and I normally gravitate toward higher-end environments, so keep that in mind when you read this.

Safety had been one of my top concerns about Santa Fe, and its reputation as unsafe evidently stems from more than the overactive imaginations of high-maintenance gringos. Many of the cab drivers that dropped me off there told me to be careful, but none of them could provide any specifics as to what the actual dangers might be, and what to be careful of. Santa Fe definitely looks and feels ghetto, but I did not experience any security issues in the week that I was there. Mostly at night (sometimes as late as 3 am), sometimes during the day, and by myself at all times but one. I never felt unsafe there but was often uncomfortable for other reasons, such as noise and overcrowding. There is a conspicuous police presence, especially at night, and it is so crowded at night that a violent crime would have enough witnesses to deter smarter criminals. I even saw moms pushing their kids around in strollers at night. My main security concern would be pickpockets, especially in the clubs, some of which can become as crowded as mosh pits at night. The trick may be to stay within the three heavily populated blocks with most of the action and avoid the rest not unlike Tijuana, which (from what I have read) might make for a good comparison with Santa Fe, except Santa Fe is cheaper and largely gringo-free.

I engaged Woodman here on ISG for a guided tour of Santa Fe in order to familiarize myself with the area and learn some of the practical details that I could not clarify from the reporting here and elsewhere. The noisy, crowded environment was a bit overwhelming at first (keep in mind that this was the reaction of a native New Yorker), and the volume and occasional quality of the talent on display did leave me with a bit of a "deer in the headlights" feeling. There was definitely some culture shock at first not the culture shock of a gringo escaping the sexually repressed culture of North America, but a culture shock coming from the tamer environment of Medellin, of all places. My key takeaway from Woodman's tour was that he made me comfortable with the area and its unfamiliar atmosphere and environment, which I might not have done if I had gone by myself for the first time, especially at night. Some suggest visiting Santa Fe during the day at first, when it is presumably safer and easier to learn the layout, and when the atmosphere and environment would be less overwhelming. In fact, some of the daytime girls that I later met told me that they only work during the day because the nighttime environment was too overwhelming or "loco" (in their words) for them.

I had historically been wary of street girls but eventually decided to take the plunge after I could no longer resist the quality of some of the talent on display. In retrospect, I wish that I had opted for street girls earlier on, as the quality of their service was more consistently good than that of the club girls (but not as good as that of the better club girls), and their rooms were better. Street girls usually had lower rates (typically 40-50 k) than club girls (typically 60 k), if saving 10-20 k is important to you. The street and club scenes are not entirely separate, as some street girls may wander in and out of the clubs.

I had read before my trip that Atunes, Troya, and Fiebre were the best clubs, with which I would agree, but I would also add Paisas to that list. The quality of the talent and the facilities at other clubs was generally lower. The clubs are mostly open at night, but Atunes is strictly a daytime / happy hour club, and some lower-end clubs are also open during the day. The atmosphere of Atunes reminded me of Rumba in Sosua back in the day. The daytime girls, in Atunes or on the street, struck me as less hardened and had a "kinder, gentler" look and vibe, often of the MILF or "girl next door" variety.

Most girls do not work for clubs but move in and out of them; they may nonetheless prefer certain clubs, as I did. There were a few dancers that appeared to work for the house, doing lap dances or otherwise entertaining bottle service guys. They were often the hottest girls but may be so busy on stage or with bottle service guys that it might be hard to pull them. Paisas worked well for me because it had good lighting, decent rooms, music that was not deafeningly loud, and not overcrowded. It attracted more paisas, blondes, and other types that I like. Fiebre attracted the most and the hottest girls and had the best session rooms but was overcrowded, dark, and deafeningly loud to the point that it was often hard to discuss even basic stuff, like pricing and services. Troya put on the best stage show, and I found some good hoes there, but the rooms sucked, to the point of detracting from sessions.

The physical quality of the talent was often quite high for such cheap places and offered far more variety than the homogeneity of Medellin, with a wide range of girls from across the country and Venezuela. Venezuelans were abundant, but I did not find them any better, on average, than Colombians in terms of appearance, service, or pricing. The tits & ass types (often of the silicone variety) were more common than the evident fixation with flaquitas in some Medellin circles. Santa Fe is definitely a "locals' joint" on a massive scale, so the composition of the talent pool reflects the tastes of Colombian guys, not gringos. The orientation toward gringo tastes in many gringo-oriented venues has been an issue for me, as my taste in women is more consistent with that of Latinos. I remember seeing those short & skinny girls when I came to Medellin for the first time and wondered, "where are all the huge tits & asses for which Colombia is famous?" Well, apparently they are in Santa Fe.

The male: female ratio was less advantageous than most gringo-oriented venues, sometimes roughly 1:1. Girls are far less likely to make the first move here, perhaps because the numbers are more advantageous for them, and in keeping with the more traditional gender norms of many Colombians. It is the polar opposite of Costa Rica or Sosua, where girls fly at you from across the room and jump down your throat if you happen to glance in their general direction for a split second. Flirting with them from a distance usually does not get them to come over. One must approach them proactively, physically, and assertively, and even then they may seem aloof, standoffish, or unresponsive. Extended "interviews" may be impractical in clubs at night due to noise, overcrowding, and the fast, high-volume nature of the business usually just enough to discuss rates and services and not enough to assess chemistry and establish rapport, as I prefer, which probably contributed to some bad sessions that I had.

Santa Fe sessions are typically "hit it & quit it" engagements of 15-20 minutes. Some girls offer to extend sessions if you have not busted a nut by that point and you are willing pay for another time increment. Others are not clock-watchers at all; I spent over an hour in the room with the club girl in the pink dress in the below photo. She did not charge me for any more time (but did ask for a well-deserved tip at the end, which I provided) and even initiated a second round of CIM (I had not requested or negotiated CIM up front), which she miraculously extracted from me after having already drained my nuts thoroughly in the first round. A few girls left the room promptly but chilled with me at length in the club for post-leche GFE, from which it was actually hard to extricate myself. I almost had to pry one of them loose with a crow bar when she started talking about having white babies.

Santa Fe is definitely a high-volume environment, and I wonder how many sessions girls need each night in order to earn enough money. The girls there did occasionally ask me some "screening" questions, as they do in other, lower-volume environments, to assess one's potential desirability as a client. One question that several Santa Fe girls asked me up front, and I have never heard anywhere else, is "how many times have you made love today?" Note that the question is not "have you made love today?" but "how many times have you made love today?" I would wager that they were trying to gauge how easy or hard it would be to get me to bust a nut, and how long it might take.

Payment in Santa Fe is always up front. Most girls covered room costs out of their own fees, but a few asked me to pay for the rooms; they were so cheap (like 6 k) that I saw no need to quibble about it. Club room attendants ask for tips before the session, which Woodman described as a good investment, as a good tip may cause them to "forget" to knock on the door when time is up. Rooms in the clubs often left a lot to be desired, lacking such basics as pillows on the bed or towels. They do have toilets, sinks, and showers, so you can wash your equipment after a session in anticipation of the next one. I made do without pillows by rolling my jeans into a ball and used bed sheets (which they do change after each session) to dry myself off out of the shower the first time, after which I brought my own washcloth. Rooms in the short-time hotels that street girls used were consistently of higher quality.

The quality of the service varied tremendously; the best girls outperformed the typical or even the better Medellin Facebook girls, while the worst began so badly that I just aborted and left. If you like scrounging through cheap shit for diamonds in the rough, Santa Fe is the place for you. In contrast to the prevailing GFE of Medellin, the more vigorous and freaky sexual style here leaned toward PSE.

My main problem with the service was the dominance of CBJ, which is normally a showstopper for me. A majority of girls were CBJ-only, including more of the hotter girls, who can get away with it. The minority of BBBJ girls charged extra for it: 10 k on the low end, 20 k was more typical, and 40 k on the high end. A few did CIM at their own initiative, and one even swallowed at her own initiative.

Santa Fe girls were less photo-friendly than anywhere else I have been; most refused. Of those that said yes, many wanted more money, only allowed body shots, or both. I have included a few samples here.

The place to stay is the cheap, chica-friendly Hotel Ibis Bogota Museo. The rooms are small and basic but of good quality. Breakfast is available for a modest fee, and there is an on-site Peruvian restaurant and a nearby "gastronomy zone" with many restaurants. There are several banks just across the street. Cab rides to and from Santa Fe should not take more than 5-10 minutes and were dirt cheap.

Santa Fe was a fulfilling experience, despite its major flaws. It took me out of my comfort zone and exposed me to a very different scene, some of which fit my tastes better than I expected and may outdo Medellin in some ways. There are some real diamonds here, but the rough in which you find them is very rough, which is to be expected at such low prices. I might return someday for a 3-4 day fuckfest, as a cheaper, more convenient (for me) alternative to Tijuana. Those of you with flights to Medellin or Brazil though Bogota might consider stopping there for a few days, if it sounds appealing to you. Those of you that go to Medellin to scrounge for cheap diamonds in the rough in Centro or Mayorista might find Santa Fe more rewarding in that regard. High-rollers and those that might find Santa Fe intimidating, however, should probably skip Bogota altogether, as I will explain in another post.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2226757]Yes Gringo! The streety sweeties!

Also a good economical way to try the girl and if it is all good, get phone number for extended date.[/QUOTE]Yes, in retrospect, I wish I had brought one back to my room for an extended date, but I decided to keep shopping around.

What would you say is a reasonable rate for an overnight session with a girl from Santa Fe? In most other Spanish-speaking destinations, including Medellin, the overnight rate is twice the hourly rate. I would imagine it works differently in Santa Fe, where they have a larger number of shorter sessions each night.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2226676]Very good Sante Fe report that gives me a pretty good idea of the place. Could you give an example of the beginning of your worst experiences that caused you to abort? Was noise an issue for you at the Ibis? How was the ceviche at the Peruvian restaurant?[/QUOTE]Well, one girl was either coked out of her mind or just naturally hyperactive or had ADHD, I could hardly get her to stay in place and focus on the task at hand. In a calmer environment, I might have spotted that problem beforehand, but it was so dark, noisy, and crowded in Fiebre that it was hard to read her before taking the plunge.

Noise was not an issue for me at the Ibis. The ceviche was great, but watch out for the jalapeos, they are extremely powerful.

Hi guys,

I haven't done any mongering in Bogota (yet), but have in the north on the Caribbean coast. I found at least a third of the girls I was with had baby damage (I usually go for 18-22). In your personal experiences, is Bogota similar, more, or less?

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2227055]Yes, in retrospect, I wish I had brought one back to my room for an extended date, but I decided to keep shopping around.

What would you say is a reasonable rate for an overnight session with a girl from Santa Fe? In most other Spanish-speaking destinations, including Medellin, the overnight rate is twice the hourly rate. I would imagine it works differently in Santa Fe, where they have a larger number of shorter sessions each night.[/QUOTE]Which girls from Santa Fe? The ones at the casas always tell me 100K. I don't know about the ones in the clubs. Of course I never take any up on it because I have plenty of non-pros to keep me busy, and now even a girlfriend that stays the night.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2227104]Hi guys,

I haven't done any mongering in Bogota (yet), but have in the north on the Caribbean coast. I found at least a third of the girls I was with had baby damage (I usually go for 18-22). In your personal experiences, is Bogota similar, more, or less?[/QUOTE]It's Colombia. If they're over 18 expect them to have at least 1 baby. Most will have some baby damage, although in many cases it is only noticeable if you're looking for it.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2227104]Hi guys,

I haven't done any mongering in Bogota (yet), but have in the north on the Caribbean coast. I found at least a third of the girls I was with had baby damage (I usually go for 18-22). In your personal experiences, is Bogota similar, more, or less?[/QUOTE]Yes. Colombia is not a land of young virgins. However, you need to deal with the reality that in the third world women frequently give birth, and often after they do give birth they end up in prostitution as a financial necessity. That's the way it is in Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Dominican Republic. Baby damage is just part of being a women and doesn't bother me at all unless their pussy is just wrecked from it or its just really visibly bad. If you have trouble with it stay out of the developing world. Otherwise consider the more expensive option of going to Europe where a lot of working women have postponed motherhood, often permanently. I mongered with various women of various background and various ages in Berlin and none had kids. Women have different motivations for getting into prostitution there. Some have regular jobs but do a bit of wh*ring on the side for the excitement and the extra cash.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2227436]It's Colombia. If they're over 18 expect them to have at least 1 baby. Most will have some baby damage, although in many cases it is only noticeable if you're looking for it.[/QUOTE]In my trips to Medellin, I would echo JjBee62's comments. I've enjoyed two older women almost 30 years old both of whom have had 3 children. If you know to look carefully, you'll see some crow's feet along their hips.

And maybe their breasts will hang a little lower during doggie but unless you're in full on inspection mode you might not even see it.

Do you really care? As long as it isn't an eyesore and you get outstanding performance. I'm finding there is a niche in those late 20's girls who have had kids. They know they are competing against the hot bodies in their late teens or early 20's and they need to keep some extra income flowing in. So their performance can frequently surprise you (and I mean on the good / incredible side). The ones who have serious, noticeable baby damage will hide it in their photos, the others (like the two I mentioned above) will show their bodies (without photo-shopping) and the performance results will be (at least in some of my experiences) far above average.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2227511]Yes. Colombia is not a land of young virgins. However, you need to deal with the reality that in the third world women frequently give birth, and often after they do give birth they end up in prostitution as a financial necessity. That's the way it is in Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Dominican Republic. Baby damage is just part of being a women and doesn't bother me at all unless their pussy is just wrecked from it or its just really visibly bad. If you have trouble with it stay out of the developing world. Otherwise consider the more expensive option of going to Europe where a lot of working women have postponed motherhood, often permanently. I mongered with various women of various background and various ages in Berlin and none had kids. Women have different motivations for getting into prostitution there. Some have regular jobs but do a bit of wh*ring on the side for the excitement and the extra cash.[/QUOTE]IMHO, in my earlier days I was put off by baby damage, don't get me wrong I appreciate a firm stomach with no baby damage BUT truth be told my now favorite girl in Medellin (non-pro girl next door type) is a 23 year old that had a kid about 3 years back, bad scaring baby damage but she is such a passionate lover that I don't even see the damage, what a hell of a fuck!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2227055]Yes, in retrospect, I wish I had brought one back to my room for an extended date, but I decided to keep shopping around.

What would you say is a reasonable rate for an overnight session with a girl from Santa Fe? In most other Spanish-speaking destinations, including Medellin, the overnight rate is twice the hourly rate. I would imagine it works differently in Santa Fe, where they have a larger number of shorter sessions each night.[/QUOTE]I don't do too many all nights but I would offer 200-300 mil for 2-3 hour session, Maybe more. Also cab fare is usually expected.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2228049]I don't do too many all nights but I would offer 200-300 mil for 2-3 hour session, Maybe more. Also cab fare is usually expected.[/QUOTE]? Really? I was paying 70 k for a 1-hour session in a real brothel. No more than 40 k for a quickie off the street? What are these Santa Fe girls doing? Multiplying their 15 minute rate into an hourly rate? Its not like they are that busy. I walked around a bit for two nights and noticed between beers from one joint to another, that I'd seen some girls were standing around drawing no attention and when I came back standing in the same place. What is everyone's take on Colombia for LT? Maybe Thailand and the PI are the places to be for long-time.

First day in Bogota,

Went to lido. Got a drink for 50 miles. Got 2 drinks for 2 ladies for another 100 mil. Top for two for 100 mil. Tip stripper who pole danced 10 mil. Found out private room is 250 mil, on top of 300 mil for each girl. Very expensive place. Place closes at 3 am so you can arrange something for after hour. Girls quoted 300 mil Todo la noche after it closes. But I was too tired. Went to another place to check out. Very cute girl quoted 600 mil Todo la noche. Wtf is going on. Seems like north of chapinero is rather expensive.

[QUOTE=Bleble;2228270]First day in Bogota,

Went to lido. Got a drink for 50 miles. Got 2 drinks for 2 ladies for another 100 mil. Top for two for 100 mil. Tip stripper who pole danced 10 mil. Found out private room is 250 mil, on top of 300 mil for each girl. Very expensive place. Place closes at 3 am so you can arrange something for after hour. Girls quoted 300 mil Todo la noche after it closes. But I was too tired. Went to another place to check out. Very cute girl quoted 600 mil Todo la noche. Wtf is going on. Seems like north of chapinero is rather expensive.[/QUOTE]If you can get a upper tier Lido girl to take 300 K for TLN, it's not a bad deal at all. The most I got under 300 k was for 2 hours outside the club. Could it be it was already 3 AM, and she thought she only has to stay for 2-3 hours?

I recently spent a few days in Bogota on 2 occasions and had a blast both times. My experience was similar to many of the posts here, especially to what GringoItaliano just posted, so I won't go into details on the chicas, but rather more on general info.

I spent time in downtown Santa Fe area, in those high end clubs in the North around Parque 93, and casas in Chapinero. I went to Santa Fe on my first day, and hired Woodman to tour me around. I am no stranger to Bogota and speak Spanish, but decided to play safe. Santa Fe could be intimidating to many people, me included, so hiring Woodman was a good decision and well worth it. Woodman was nice enough to even split the 4-hour appointment I had into 2-2 hour periods, 1 during the day and 1 at night just to make sure that I saw the RLD in different hours. After his tour and I learned more about the lay of the land, I was able and felt comfortable to frequent the RLD a few more times alone, of course with lots of care.

Accomodation.

I stayed my first 2 nights at an airbnb apartment in a brand new building in downtown about 15 min. Walk from the RLD. The following 2 nights I stayed in Ibis Museo for $37/ night. I did take a Lido girl to the airbnb place, but will never do that again. The security and receptionist of the building gave you very strange looks when you walk in with a prostitute. Remember this is a high end apartment in Colombian standard, although nothing luxury to me, we are not their preferred residents.

Ibis on the other hand is a little closer from RLD with more amenities and the convenience of a hotel. Around the hotel there are also many small eateries and coffee shops. National Museum is right next door if you are into history. This is a good value, well-run BUSINESS hotel and will be a good base if Santa Fe is your main focus. Though I never brought back any girl for the 2 nights I stayed there, I heard it is GF. I booked for double, and the young guy who checked me in saw me alone at check-in reminded me that any visitor to the room had to register at the front desk. I guessed it is not a rare practice from guests who stayed here.

On my last night before departing, I stayed at the infamous Tequendama Hotel where the wife and family of Pablo Escobar lodged at one point while negotiating deals with the authority. This hotel is not GF, so don't embarrass yourself of doing so. Once a grand hotel in its early days, the hotel itself now is very dated and rooms were very noisy with all passing car traffic. Even the hotel tried very hard to please, with other better options of accommodation around, I will not come back to this hotel either.

I also spent a total of 5 nights in 2 different hotels in Chapinero while exploring all the casas in the area. First 2 nights in a boutique hotel on Calle 66 and la Septima, and 3 more nights in Hilton Chapinero. The tight security in both places obviously made it very difficult and embarrassing to sneak up a girl if not preregistered with you. Worth mentioning is that while nicer and more upscale, the Hilton offers very competitive weekend rate including breakfast.

As I posted before, in Bogota, airbnb places don't really provide convenience for bringing back girls. There are security and reception at the entrance of every building. More often at a good building, you also have to register the girl, so you have the same walk of shame and hassles as staying in a hotel. Hotels at least provide faster response to any request you might have, and is more comfortable in many aspects. In the cold nights in Bogota, you naked ass won't be freezing in the middle of the night. I strictly chose hotels after my first 2 nights at the Airbnb place.

Chicas.

Though I had only got to know Santa Fe a short while ago, it became my new favorite playground in Colombia, and I had been to all 4 major Colombian Cities numerous times. I kicked myself for not visiting Santa Fe much earlier. I had doubts about girl quality before my trip, but the experience proved the concern wasn't necessary. All my encounters in Santa Fe were with girls between 7. 5-8 in my scale, similar to the ones I found in those high-end Northern clubs. I even saw a couple 8. 5's. As a reference, I rate most girls in Lido 7. 5- 8 with occasionally 8. 5's. Though less in #'s those 7. 5 and above, they are there, enough for you to enjoy a short trip without repeating or competing with other bros to get their attention. Almost all girls I met were very engaging, of course after careful screening and some small talks.

While in Santa Fe, I only used the onsite rooms twice, once at a corner club that I don't remember the name when I arrived on my first day with a fresh on board young Venezolana, and the other at the day time club Atunes. After further experiences in Santa Fe. I would suggest the use of short term motels in the area, and pay for more time with the Chicas. You will get much better experience than a quickie on site aside from a cleaner, more confortable room with running hot water, no walk of shame or strange look from anybody and no worry about girls stealing your belongings. Among many other advantages. And the girls love taking hot shower with you joining in. They cost of the motel room about 30-45 k for 4 hours, and every girl knows which one to go. I pulled 4 girls out of different clubs in Santa Fe, one at 160 k after hard negotiation, 2 at 200 k and the highest one at 250 k for a 19 yrs old Venezolana who looked like an American teenager fresh out of high school. All 4 stayed the whole 2 hours section. All 4 girls were young and very beautiful, and gave me incredible GFE with DFK and BBBJ. I also found the girls are very open to negotiation of what you have in mind. The best thing was, no salida for the club girls when you take them to the nearby motels. Some would say they had to pay the club, not true. They all know how to avoid it. And it looked to me that they all come and go as they wish.

While in Chapinero, and while mostly tried to recuperate myself at a more serene neighborhood, I also went to a few casas nearby including recently discussed Rosaquilla on Calle 64 and Carrera 16 A. In general, quality in these casas was a notch down than what you can find in Santa Fe. Or I should say, the 7. 5 and above are many less in #'s. The best I had were a couple girls at 7. 5, and this was after scrolling quite a few casas in a few days. Most girls in these casas were well below 6. The 2-7. 5's I had, one form Rosaquilla and one from el Angel Azur, were both wonderful GFE's with long passionate DFKs, BBBJ's. The girl from Rosaquilla still initiates whatsapp messages with me till now. I had another 2 good sections in these casas, but not as memorable as the 2 steamy ones mentioned. One drawback about these casas is the rooms on site really are not desirable. But for 70 k-80 k an hour, what more can you ask? Again, I met with the Rodaquilla girl the next day at a motel right next to the casa for 3 hours after her shift, 52 k for the room, and 200 k for her, roughly $90 and she delivered one of my best experiences in Bogota.

I did return to my old playground in the North, Lido twice and Juan Pablo Zhivago once. Went to Lido on a very slow raining night after exploring Santa Fe with Woodman, and every girl complained the lack of customers. An old amiga remembered me and came by to say Hi. I heard some ridiculous offers by the chicas and was not going to pay that. So just got the contact # from a very attractive tall morenita at 1. 73 m who not only has beautiful face, but also incredible body figure and a bubble butt. I found out that she lives in the South of Bogota, so invited her to my bnb apartment in downtown the next night. We agreed for P450 K. She came over at 7 PM and stayed till the next morning. Having learned that more economical options in Santa Fe after the first day, the second time I went to Lido and to Juan Pablo Zhivago a few days later, I just relaxed and chilled even I did click with a chica at Juan Pablo Zhivago, but decided to pass at the end.

The Rest.

While taking a coffee break one day in Santa Fe, I stroke up a conversation with this small convenient store owner and his friend. The friend claimed that he works at a club in Zona Rosa, and was telling me that girls in the Northern clubs are "cleaner", because they went through health exams more regularly mandated by the clubs while in Santa Fe RLD, none is required. But for himself, he can only afford a quickie with girls in Santa Fe. I don't know how true to his statement? What I do know now is, if you don't mind the seedy neighborhood and can deal with the characters around you, Santa Fe offer much better selections and value. The 2 blocks where most of the famous clubs located are not that dangerous like the rest of the RLD. If you taxi in and out and only walk these 2 short blocks with care, you should be fine. The motels are all within very short walk from the clubs.

Different from my previous trips, the altitude didn't bother me as much, but the weather did. It rained the most days while I was there, making it bothersome to walk around, especially when I was in Chapinero moving from one casa to another. I didn't study the weather pattern in Bogot before arrival, but heard from locals that some months rain more than others. So avoid the raining season can be a better idea.

My trips to Colombia just got better and better each time. Before I would rate Medellin as equal destination to Bogota, but now with the added knowledge and experience of Santa Fe, I'the say Bogota comes out ahead. I wouldn't say "Bogota is off beaten path" as GringoItaliano put it in his post. It is such an immense city that one just easily been ignored. So many economical options with good quality girls in Santa Fe make Bogota one of the best destinations for this sport. Santa Fe definitely is not for everybody. The possession of language skill certainly plays a big part of your experience here. Caution should be applied at all time, and never let your guard down. Although unfortunate incidents were not common but did happened, it only took once to ruin your trip and experience, worst yet if it involves any physical injury. I have been to Tijuana, and for comparison, I felt less easier in Santa Fe, even nervous in some parts of the Santa Fe RLD.

I went to Troya at around 3 pm. Paid 250 mil for 2 hrs and 36 mil for room. Had anal multiple times, vagina multiple times. I didn't want BBBJ not my kind of thing. The girl was active, rode me. Overall a good experience. Used a number of condoms.

The room was off site (nearby). She is one of the dancers there and is all natural (no silicone either in the breasts or butt).

[QUOTE=Bleble;2228510]I went to Troya at around 3 pm. Paid 250 mil for 2 hrs and 36 mil for room. Had anal multiple times, vagina multiple times. I didn't want BBBJ not my kind of thing. The girl was active, rode me. Overall a good experience. Used a number of condoms.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2226357]I spent the second week of my recent two-week trip to Colombia in Bogota, after spending a week in Medellin. Many Colombia mongers focus so much on Medellin and paisas that it is easy to forget that Colombia is a large and diverse country, in which paisas are just one regional culture. I previously had enough exposure to non-paisa chicas in Cartagena and the Dutch Caribbean to known that they might be just as appealing to me as paisas, if not more so. Colombia's capital and largest city, which attracts chicas from across the country and also from neighboring Venezuela, was a logical place to explore further. Bogota is also off the beaten path for most gringo mongers; I liked the idea of exploring a more "pristine" and relatively gringo-free environment. I also place more emphasis on non-mongering activities than most mongers, and Bogota appealed to me in that regard as well, with about four days worth of sightseeing, including museums, historic buildings, Monserrate, and so on....[/QUOTE]Great report. I'm definitely going threw there. I wanted know is it possible get girl out club to your hotel instead of knock it down in club? Is there exit fee? Is hotel ibis crowded? Do they I the the girls when they come in? Is that only chick guests friendly hotel in area? That bro be safe.

[QUOTE=Bleble;2228568]The room was off site (nearby). She is one of the dancers there and is all natural (no silicone either in the breasts or butt).[/QUOTE]Was she the one with jet black hair and very white skin from either Armenia or Manizales?

[QUOTE=ViajandoMusico;2228444]The friend claimed that he works at a club in Zona Rosa, and was telling me that girls in the Northern clubs are "cleaner", because they went through health exams more regularly mandated by the clubs while in Santa Fe RLD, none is required. But for himself, he can only afford a quickie with girls in Santa Fe. I don't know how true to his statement? [/QUOTE]This is bullshit, there is no mandatory health exam in the northern clubs.

If you want TLN from Lido etc, is it possible to get them earlier in the night? Or you have to wait until closing time? I've got to get some work done during the days on my trip next week, so starting an all night session at 3 am every day isn't really an option. My normal mongering MO in Asia is to hit the clubs early around 9/10 pm and find one for the night, not sure if that game flies here.

[QUOTE=ViajandoMusico;2228417]If you can get a upper tier Lido girl to take 300 K for TLN, it's not a bad deal at all. The most I got under 300 k was for 2 hours outside the club. Could it be it was already 3 AM, and she thought she only has to stay for 2-3 hours?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Donkey82;2229031]If you want TLN from Lido etc, is it possible to get them earlier in the night? Or you have to wait until closing time? I've got to get some work done during the days on my trip next week, so starting an all night session at 3 am every day isn't really an option. My normal mongering MO in Asia is to hit the clubs early around 9/10 pm and find one for the night, not sure if that game flies here.[/QUOTE]Igf you want to take the girl out of the club before 3 am, there is a bar fee of 150 000. Expect also to pay more for the girl as between 9 pm and 3 am it's peak time for her. After 3 am, prices drop a lot as it's her last option before club closing.

This is the post that inspired me to buy a membership here, but alas. I'm in the US and can't purchase.

I'll be in Bogota in 3 weeks. Should I plan on carrying a sign around Santa Fe that says "Are you Woodman?" What you describe below is exactly what I was looking forward to.

I speak decent Spanish, and mongering isn't new to me. Bogota is and so I would really like to hit SF with an experienced hombre for the 1st run.

Woodman. How can we make this happen??

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2224627]I just Love Santa Fe because I can leave my apartment and be boning some hot girl in 10 minutes!! I Make sure and take my Viagra before leaving!

Santa Fe Pussy Fest.

Thursday 8-30 for 3 hours cavorting with the Streetie sweeties. There were gaggles of girls on 23 d at least 20 18-20 somethings lined up. They kept changing and there would be new girls every few minutes, it's fantastic!![/QUOTE]

I just came back from a trip to Bogota and wanted to share my experience.

It was my first time in Colombia and there were a lot of unknowns and this forum helped me navigate.

Being from the states, I couldn't subscribe to the forum so couldn't connect with anyone local.

Nevertheless, I had my share of fun going around town and experiencing different casas.

I arrived in BOG on Friday night around 10 pm and stayed in Chapinero area for few nights. When you first arrive it sure as hell looks intimidating at night. Not many street lights and feels like you are in the slum.

I couldn't find out whether any of the casas were open passed 10 so called it a night and decided to go out during the day.

Next day, I walked around Chapinero area in the morning to get the feel for the area and walked by the Pussy club and there were bunch of folks just hanging around and didn't really feel safe even during the broad daylight. So I took some cash out from the ATM as suggested by many and then headed to Chicas millenia. It was about midday and took uber to Rosquilla and they had about 4 ladies. I went with one of the girls with big boobs from Venezuela. 30 k for 30 minutes. It was the first one on the trip and it didn't quite last 30 minutes so we spent the rest of the time just chatting. Got her number for the future.

Then I took a cab to Candelaria to do a little sight seeing and then walked to the Paloquemao which is about 30 minute walk and went passed the lower part of SF where you see the Trans just hanging out on the Calle 19. I was tempted to turn up the street but didn't have the "balls" to walk up passed all those trannies.

After visiting Paloquemao, I took the uber Chicas Millenia. They had few more ladies and took one of the short girls that looked the best. She was Colombian and I would say 7 in the scale. The session was very mechanical but she had a tight body and didn't have any issues finishing the job. It was 50 k and again got her number for outcall. She had a promo where it's 100 an hour for outcall.

In the evening, I went to the massage place in Mezzanine and literally when you walk up to the second level, the girls will whistle and try to get you in. I went in to one of them and had a session with a Venezolana. A decent massage with some oil and everything was covered. She didn't even offer the option BBBJ for extra propina.

The first day was a success and decided to stay in since I didn't want to go to the club alone where all the unpleasant characters hung out. Maybe I should've taken the uber in and out of the club but after 3 I was done. LOL.

A lot of places were closed on Sunday so options were limited. I went to the Divas spa mid day and only one girl was there. She said few more girls would come later in the day but would be all morenas. I was ok with that but was not OK waiting so I left the place to try another day. Since I was in the mood for a massage I went to Abadunai spa in uptown. They had 2 girls and both were very cute. One morena and one blanca. I sessioned with the blanca and everything was on the table with her. BBBJ was 50 k extra and anal was 100 k. The girl was more GFE where we chat after the session about random things and I would definitely return as the rooms are decent size and the girls I saw were prettier than other places.

Next few days I did the tourist things which you guys probably don't care about and visited random casas, and had prepagos in the evenings. For the casas, I tried the Chicas millenia and went back to Rosquille and the type of girl you meet depends on the day of the week. You may see hot chicks some days and other days you won't. It really depends. For the prepagos, the price seems to range from 150-250. I noticed that there were more ads with higher rate on the weekends. I had one in Usaquen and inquired about her services and everything was included except anal and BBBJ but when I got there she had restrictions. I didn't want to argue but I suppose she wasn't in the mood to do more. She asked to pay upfront so I gave her the money and then got to work. It was a mechanical session and all the restricted turned me off. Anyway, pounded her different ways and left.

All the places had their set prices and were pretty honest for the most part except the Millenia. It's not a lot of money but I didn't like the fact they just change the prices on the fly.

Overall I had good time in Bogota and next time I return, I will seek out Woodman for a tour of SF. I need to visit the place to compare with Casas experience.

One thing I did notice in all the casa / massage parlors is that they all seems to be honest with the price and all the extras depend on the girl except at Chicas millenia. Here the prices will vary depending on who the Jefe is. When I went back on day in the evening, the girl said it was 80 k for 30 min and 90 k for 60. I told her I paid less on the previous day and she checked and she was OK to go with me for less. I don't know what she said to the Jefe but whatever she agreed to my price and we went up.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2228781]Was she the one with jet black hair and very white skin from either Armenia or Manizales?[/QUOTE]She is dark black hair. As to her skin tone, I don't remember. Either fair skin or tanned.

[QUOTE=MiguelitoJJJJJJones;2229692]I speak decent Spanish, and mongering isn't new to me.[/QUOTE]You won't need any help, in that case.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2229820]You won't need any help, in that case.[/QUOTE]Well thanks for the vote of confidence I'm still interested in a more "personalized" tour with a local down there to get started, at least in SF. Woodman. You should open a kiosk on a corner! Haha.

[QUOTE=MiguelitoJJJJJJones;2229692]This is the post that inspired me to buy a membership here, but alas. I'm in the US and can't purchase.

I'll be in Bogota in 3 weeks. Should I plan on carrying a sign around Santa Fe that says "Are you Woodman?" What you describe below is exactly what I was looking forward to.

I speak decent Spanish, and mongering isn't new to me. Bogota is and so I would really like to hit SF with an experienced hombre for the 1st run.

Woodman. How can we make this happen??[/QUOTE]I have been offering Tour Guide Bogota / Travel Assistance 'in the Bogota Craigslist services.

Hi guys,

I was with my best friend from 07.09. 24.09 in Colombia.

We visited Bogota, Medellin and Santa Marta. But Santa Marta is for me not for mongering.

For Bogota I recommend to book on first day Woodman09. He will show the best places in Santa Fe and will give very important tips.

I had for rest of the week a very cool Colombian guide. His name is Adriano. He drives us everywhere and want really small money (you pay for hour).

We needed him every night about 3-4 hours and paid 30-40 dollars for the night. Inkl. Car and gas. Also no fees extra.

Adriano is very trustworthy and took always care of us.

I am sure we save a lot of money by him. He knows every club in Bogota. From the cheapest to most expensive.

If somebody is interested, write me a PM and I will send his Whatsapp-number.

Best regards.

Jimmy.

I got 2955 and 2959 to the dollar on the two withdrawls I did at bancolombia next to centro commercial San Martin cra 7. The joint across the street from pussy house has a better line up than ph does now. Be careful going up and down the stairs as the head room is Very low. I took a 6.5-7 out of their on Thursday night 11 pm for 100 k exit, 200 k for 3 hours in my room. She stayed all night. Ran into a little Venezuelan stunner in Paisas Friday night at mid night and ended up with her for the next four days at 300 k per day plus food. Is it me or do these Venezuelans always eat fast? Every one I have eaten with inhales food. Another great time in Bogota. Oil.

Thought I'd pay back all the great info from the forum with a brief report.

First night was jet lagged as hell but went out for an enjoyable tour of Santa Fe with Woodman (highly recommend for anyone visiting town). We went to loads of clubs so to be honest cannot remember them all. But found a hot Venezuelan at one of the bars, went upstairs for 50 k. Great girl, but time too short. Would recommend asking them for an hour if possible. Crazy place anyway and must be seen.

Next day checked out the confusingly named Abudubai spa off Routard's list. I think I was limited here by my Spanish abilities (nil). A girl opened the door and just lead me into one of the side rooms. Presumably I should have asked to see a lineup or something but she wasn't bad so just went with it. 180 k for pretty shit massage but decent sex. Facilities nice and clean. Only saw one other girl while I was in there (she came out to answer the phone when I was leaving) but maybe worth a revisit.

Today tried to check out Chicas Milenio. Put the address from the lists into Google and Uber. But when I arrived am pretty sure it was the wrong spot. Should have looked more closely at the forum map! Ended up abandoning the mission after 30 mins of walking around some random neighbourhood. Tonight have gone out and checked out a few of the Northern clubs. While most of them say they open at 6 pm or 7 pm, seems so far that that is too early to go. I'm more used to Asian mongering where you get there at the start of the night to get the best pick. But so far went to Lalo's. Got there maybe 745 pm. Place was dead. I was the only guy and maybe 6 girls, one or two passable but honestly no hotter than the Santa Fe girls from day one. Also as everyone has mentioned drinks at these places are proper money. US $26 for a single scotch rocks at Lalo's tonight. Can get a girl for that in Philippines or Bangkok so a bit of a change!

Then walked over to Juan Pablo Zhivago. Only one girl in the place. One hour more seemed to be the call at both the places (was around 815 pm). So walked back to hotel and waiting an hour or two to head back out and see if things have picked up.

Here is a little map. GPS will be close. 4.65855, -74.06297

[QUOTE=DonKey82;2231295]Thought I'd pay back all the great info from the forum with a brief report.

First night was jet lagged as hell but went out for an enjoyable tour of Santa Fe with Woodman (highly recommend for anyone visiting town). We went to loads of clubs so to be honest cannot remember them all. But found a hot Venezuelan at one of the bars, went upstairs for 50 k. Great girl, but time too short. Would recommend asking them for an hour if possible. Crazy place anyway and must be seen.

Next day checked out the confusingly named Abudubai spa off Routard's list. I think I was limited here by my Spanish abilities (nil). A girl opened the door and just lead me into one of the side rooms. Presumably I should have asked to see a lineup or something but she wasn't bad so just went with it. 180 k for pretty shit massage but decent sex. Facilities nice and clean. Only saw one other girl while I was in there (she came out to answer the phone when I was leaving) but maybe worth a revisit.

Today tried to check out Chicas Milenio. Put the address from the lists into Google and Uber. But when I arrived am pretty sure it was the wrong spot. Should have looked more closely at the forum map! Ended up abandoning the mission after 30 mins of walking around some random neighbourhood. Tonight have gone out and checked out a few of the Northern clubs. While most of them say they open at 6 pm or 7 pm, seems so far that that is too early to go. I'm more used to Asian mongering where you get there at the start of the night to get the best pick. But so far went to Lalo's. Got there maybe 745 pm. Place was dead. I was the only guy and maybe 6 girls, one or two passable but honestly no hotter than the Santa Fe girls from day one. Also as everyone has mentioned drinks at these places are proper money. US $26 for a single scotch rocks at Lalo's tonight. Can get a girl for that in Philippines or Bangkok so a bit of a change!

Then walked over to Juan Pablo Zhivago. Only one girl in the place. One hour more seemed to be the call at both the places (was around 815 pm). So walked back to hotel and waiting an hour or two to head back out and see if things have picked up.[/QUOTE]

From the looks of it, it seems like Bogota is a bit more expensive than Medellin. For those of you that have been to both is that accurate? I just came from Medellin and I had several Facebook girls accept anywhere from 80 k-150 k (negotiated) and casa girls for 45 k and 50 k. I'm reading the prices on this thread and they all seem about 40-50 k more. Even the hotels.

Are the girls in Bogotá more expensive because they're that much prettier or is it just the market?

[QUOTE=TheBiller22;2231568]From the looks of it, it seems like Bogota is a bit more expensive than Medellin.[/QUOTE]Its not. I think you might be looking at it wrong.

[QUOTE=DonKey82;2231295] Today tried to check out Chicas Milenio. [/QUOTE]It's interesting how much interest there is in this place in the past month, since I wrote a field report about how they tried to fleece me. But, as they say, you mileage may vary.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2231681]It's interesting how much interest there is in this place in the past month, since I wrote a field report about how they tried to fleece me. But, as they say, you mileage may vary.[/QUOTE]I think it's because Routard recommended Chicas Milenio on his Bogota's FAQ. That's why I went there initially. Out of the 5 casas I went to in Bogota, Chicas Milenio IMO is overall the best one (in terms of girls).

But it's good to let people know that girls will overcharge over there; that was the only casa I've been to where there were no prices posted anywhere.

Normally it seems they only try to overcharge you by 10 K or 20 K COP. But your numbers reminded me of one of my experiences over there. I asked this cute girl (the cutest girl I've seen over there; haven't seen her this year) if she did lesbian shows. She said yes; she pointed to her friend (who I thought was the 2nd cutest girl there). But she gave this large price (for Colombia); and the money was all upfront. Since she gave poor solo performance I said no. Later on I found out from my regular that they would have scammed me.

Important tip: if you have to tip for whatever reason, make sure you pay the standard fee (without the tip included), and then tip her the agreed upon amount after the deed.

[QUOTE=DonKey82;2231295]Today tried to check out Chicas Milenio. Put the address from the lists into Google and Uber. But when I arrived am pretty sure it was the wrong spot. Should have looked more closely at the forum map! Ended up abandoning the mission after 30 mins of walking around some random neighbourhood.[/QUOTE]When using Uber, you need to put the address exactly in the standard form. All the spacing has to be correct. For example, you cannot enter 41A as "41 A".

Routard's FAQ October 2017 has the address as "Calle 71 #14 A-24". If you enter that on Google maps, it puts you at an incorrect address. You need to enter as "Calle 71 #14A-24". No space between the 14 and A.

Or you went there on a Sunday. Both Chicas Milenio and Chicas 2000 are closed on Sundays.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2232288]I think it's because Routard recommended Chicas Milenio on his Bogota's FAQ. That's why I went there initially. Out of the 5 casas I went to in Bogota, Chicas Milenio IMO is overall the best one (in terms of girls).

But it's good to let people know that girls will overcharge over there; that was the only casa I've been to where there were no prices posted anywhere.

Normally it seems they only try to overcharge you by 10 K or 20 K COP. But your numbers reminded me of one of my experiences over there. I asked this cute girl (the cutest girl I've seen over there; haven't seen her this year) if she did lesbian shows. She said yes; she pointed to her friend (who I thought was the 2nd cutest girl there). But she gave this large price (for Colombia); and the money was all upfront. Since she gave poor solo performance I said no. Later on I found out from my regular that they would have scammed me.

Important tip: if you have to tip for whatever reason, make sure you pay the standard fee (without the tip included), and then tip her the agreed upon amount after the deed.[/QUOTE]I also went to Chicas Milenio for Routard's recommendation. But I would say that most casas has cycles and there is a lot of variability in quality depending on the chicas they have at the moment. I am becoming a regular visitor of casas around chapinero and I would say that Bonita is better now in terms of quality and cheaper. Also Chicas 2000 has some gems like Luna, a very pretty Venezuelan with a nice ass.

Hello everyone,

Have been reading this awesome posts for last year and finally I will visit Colombia and check. Things from close range.

I am curious about those Facebook girls, how did you find them guys?

Will be in Bogota on Saturday so if anyone is for drink PM me.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2232288]I think it's because Routard recommended Chicas Milenio on his Bogota's FAQ. That's why I went there initially. Out of the 5 casas I went to in Bogota, Chicas Milenio IMO is overall the best one (in terms of girls).

But it's good to let people know that girls will overcharge over there; that was the only casa I've been to where there were no prices posted anywhere.[/QUOTE]That's precisely the reason I went, because of Routard's recommendation. But, I hadn't noted any recent FR on the place before my trip. Yes, the place did seem to have the prettiest girls, but I liked the Casa across the street better. Yes, they post the prices visibly at Chicas 2000 and both the girls I chose were able to deliver the goods. I regret not being able to go back a third time, as I saw a few cute things I wanted to check out. There were only three girls available the first morning I went, but they were all desirable and reflected an ethnic variety (blanca, morena, negra). When I have trouble making a choice between three girls, that's good enough for me.

I want to give a big thanks to all the people that have shared their posts. This forum has been a wonderful help. Can anyone recommend their favorite legit professional massage spa? I don't need any extras. I just think it would be a great addition to my vacation to get a relaxing massage during the daytime before heading to Santa Fe for playtime. Also how much does a legit massage cost in Bogota?

Thanks.

I guess you could go to the north of the city. Mezzanine and ask for only a regular massage. It may be harder to find a legit place than not. Routard would know best?

[QUOTE=Radigan;2233206]I want to give a big thanks to all the people that have shared their posts. This forum has been a wonderful help. Can anyone recommend their favorite legit professional massage spa? I don't need any extras. I just think it would be a great addition to my vacation to get a relaxing massage during the daytime before heading to Santa Fe for playtime. Also how much does a legit massage cost in Bogota?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

There are 2 Thai massage places northern part of the city. Ones called Baw Thai Spa and another called Bogo Thai massage.

You have to call and make reservation. I tried to walk in and they were full.

[QUOTE=Radigan;2233206]I want to give a big thanks to all the people that have shared their posts. This forum has been a wonderful help. Can anyone recommend their favorite legit professional massage spa? I don't need any extras. I just think it would be a great addition to my vacation to get a relaxing massage during the daytime before heading to Santa Fe for playtime. Also how much does a legit massage cost in Bogota?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

TripAdvisor's list:

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[QUOTE=Radigan;2233206]I want to give a big thanks to all the people that have shared their posts. This forum has been a wonderful help. Can anyone recommend their favorite legit professional massage spa? I don't need any extras. I just think it would be a great addition to my vacation to get a relaxing massage during the daytime before heading to Santa Fe for playtime. Also how much does a legit massage cost in Bogota?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Had a 4 HR layover at the airport. Didn't see anything close on the Map but found something nearby on Mileroticos. SpaLatinO. Talked a bit on Whatsapp and headed over.

They have a few branches (sedes = hq). Went to the one in Fontibon at 830 p, they close at 9.

The place was 1. 5 miles from the airport. Taxi showed 95 and it looked like the guy gave me 2-20's change but turned out to be a ten and a twenty, so got fleeced there as I was't paying much attention. Would have Uber'd but was running close to their closing time.

Only 4 ladies working, slim pickings so I only went for the 30 minutes instead of an hour. 50 k Girl was cute but pretty stale attitude. Went for oral natural after she showed talent for an extra 20 k and she seemed pretty into it actually! Grabbed an uber back for 8 k.

Place had decent decor but was chilly. My first time doing anything in Bogota, I'm usually in MDE / Barranquilla so can't really compare.

All in all, for 100 k, prob not worth it, but all in all, prob better than sitting in the airport for 4 hrs. If anyone has a better reco for BOG layover fun let me know, I seem to keep taking the midnight BOG-MIA flight so I expect I'll have one again.

Taxi told me its a sketchy area.

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[QUOTE=Balimassage;2234066]Had a 4 HR layover at the airport. Didn't see anything close on the Map but found something nearby on Mileroticos. SpaLatinO. Talked a bit on Whatsapp and headed over.

They have a few branches (sedes = hq). Went to the one in Fontibon at 830 p, they close at 9.

The place was 1. 5 miles from the airport. Taxi showed 95 and it looked like the guy gave me 2-20's change but turned out to be a ten and a twenty, so got fleeced there as I was't paying much attention. Would have Uber'd but was running close to their closing time.

Only 4 ladies working, slim pickings so I only went for the 30 minutes instead of an hour. 50 k Girl was cute but pretty stale attitude. Went for oral natural after she showed talent for an extra 20 k and she seemed pretty into it actually! Grabbed an uber back for 8 k..[/QUOTE]Next Time take the Uber / taxi to Santa Fe, it is a quick ride from El Dorado AP about 8 miles but really quick at night.

- I felt safe in Santa Fe. But of course I stayed in that area, where there is a lot of people and police around.

- Numerous diamonds in the rough are available.

- It seems 40 K COP for 20 minutes is the standard. 1 girl offered 30 K. Another girl lowered her price to 35 K after I hesitated. Once when I was leaving in an Uber taxi, I pointed to the girls and said only 40 K COP. The Uber driver said, "aaahhh nooo. 30 K COP"

- It seems the standard is for the girl to pay for the room. One time the girl asked for me to pay for the room after I gave her the 40 K. Then she reneged on the BBBJ; she asked for a tip. Couple of times, the girls asked me to reimburse them for the room after they paid for it; performance was ok.

- Prices at one short time guesthouse was 6 K for 20 minutes, 10 K for 30 minutes, and 15 K for 1 hour. As some posters suggested, it seems like a good idea to get a nicer guesthouse in the area. The price for one hotel in the area was 30 K for the entire night. But it was 10 K additional for each girl. Hence it would have been 50 K COP for 2 girls. I never asked if I have to pay the 20 K extra for each different set of girls. Does anyone know?

- It's not difficult to get BBBJ without offering a tip. You just have to keep on asking. It seems easier to get BBBJ (without a tip offer) from the girls on the street intersections, away from the short time guesthouse. Many of the girls stand next to or inside a guesthouse. It seems they are affiliated with that guesthouse, which seems more like a casa brothel. Many of the girls seem more presentable, better dressed than the girls on the street corner. Many of them said no to the BBBJ. Also, it seems tougher to get BBBJ if you ask them in front of their co-workers. But of course many of them will do BBBJ for a tip. I didn't research how many of them would do it.

- Scam warning: Once I asked young girl (standing with her co-workers in a guesthouse) if she did BBBJ. She said no, but then the older girl said yes she will do it for 50 K. I think she told to girl to say yes, ask for a higher price, and then renege in the room. That has happened to me. Be wary if the girl says 50 K after you asked her for BBBJ.

- But money talks. In Santa Fe, 10 K or 20 K tip is a lot of money. 10 K or maybe 20 K max should be sufficient to get BBBJ. If the girl says no, you can bring out the hammer of the 50 K tip offer.

- If you want extras without having to offer tips, ask the girls on the street corners, away from the casa brothels. They might be more desperate.

- My regulars were very happy with 100 K COP for 1 hour for everything. I'm guessing they would have accepted 80 K. Although, all 3 of them asked me to pay for the 1 hour short time guesthouse. I was charged 20 K at some places.

Thanks to JHappyDog, DWorldTravel69, World Travel 69, and Balimassage.

I plan on making the trip to Bogota in mid-November. Hopefully there aren't any holidays or reasons for the clubs to be closed during my week there.

MOTHAFUCKA! Had a chick coming from Barranquilla tonight. We planned this shit long ago. Her ass get to the airport late and don't know she had to check in. Got left. Said she does not have money to get home. Will have to pawn her phone. Her mom gave her money to get to the airport. I am pissed about the $150 I paid for that damn ticket.

Well the point is that I will be in Bogota in 3 hours and will be heading to Santa Fe tonight at maybe 1 or 2 am and probably will be there again tomorrow if someone wants me to show them around before I get with my girlfriend Friday.

Damn I am lazy bastard, being reading this forum last 2 months but now when I am here already for 4 night still didn't post about experiences but let go.

Arrived late on Saturday, things didn't start well because my prearranged transport and guide couldn't make it.

OK lets try Uber with poor airport signal, had problems determine pick up point in that chaos. Uber is not welcomed at airport so don't be surprised if he don't show up but somehow I managed to get this one.

I was so tired but as it was Saturday night going to bed was not option.

Had few drinks in hotel and ordered Uber for Zona Rosa. At least I was thinking it.

Ended up in some oder Zona Rosa, wasted 20 min and it was already 1:40.

In Zona Rosa clubs were quite crowded but didn't want to go in as they are closing at 03 am. First goal was to get myself refreshed so managed to do it and then had to decide what's next.

As it was Saturday wanted experience nightlife and leave hookers as last option.

Went to club Video, what a mistake, full of gays.

Then hit the Baum, best techno club in Bogota. Picked up 2 contacts but went home alone due to being done in every way.

Day 2.

Managed to hook up with one of the girls from SA.

Dinner and then to hotel.

We agreed on 200 bucks, she was a wild one, squirting on my bed to point that I had to put spare sheets to sleep later on.

Day 3.

Spent day resting and later some shopping and visiting Parque 93.

After having few drinks in hotel decided to hit Forty Nine Club on recommendation of a taxist / tour guide.

Place was empty. Only me and 2 other guys at another table.

Girls where super pushy, couldn't drink my beer in peace. But ended up being good tactic because eventually I agreed on TDL with 2 of them which looked like party girls so I said OK it might be interesting.

It wasn't.

First of all I overpaid them. Agreed on 300 bucks, but eventually at the end of night paid at least 400 because it was always something more to payed.

They stayed until 5-6 am, 1 was super hot so I mainly fucked her as other was useless. Noisy as fuck, ended up being knocked twice by receptionist on doors.

Somehow managed to finish after some porn movies and 2 of them doing what asked.

Again they wanted more money and ended up giving them 50 bucks how much they asked just to get rid of them.

Hope will learn from this experience, but they were good actors, fooling me they are into partying and having a blast of a night.

Def wouldn't recommend Forty Nine Club.

Day 3.

Was destroyed all day from night before, hotel had such a bad sound isolation so couldn't sleep until late afternoon.

Went for first meal of day at 7 pm, some sushi place, with nice waiters serving me.

Took her number as she was showing some interest, (still pending on her at this point of writing this report).

Around 10 pm meet with the guy which didn't show up first day at airport due to car problems.

Ended up being awesome guy which can help you a lot if you a first time here and with limited Spanish. (limited is strong word in my case).

Decided to go with him in famous Santa Fe.

Place look scary and like from movies but quality of girls is amazing.

We went in Paisas club and girls were 5 times better looking then in that stupid Forty Nine club, and not pushy at all.

We just sit for hour and drunk and nobody approached us. Great place.

There were few gems but some already taken, ended up agreeing on TLN with super cute and sexy Venezuelan. 500 pesos.

My friend said I overpaid it but compared to previous night it seemed like a good deal.

Of to my place, she stayed until 8 am, amazing body with several Tattoos on interesting places.

Lack of my Spanish and her English was a problem but still it was nice experience.

Day 4.

Again didn't sleep almost but had arrangement with one girl from SA.

She was late 1 HR due to traffic, but OK nothing to do anyway.

She had period so she said already before that we go on other entrance.

Crazy chick. Not a super beauty but super performer.

Stayed around 2 hrs, she wanted to hang out more but I was done. Gave her 150 m pesos and for taxi.

So in 4 days 4 chicks, actually 5 if we count that bloody duo which was huge mistake.

Tomorrow need to change hotel and then final day in Bogota before Medellin.

So far I would say it is awesome place to have fun but should come with semi decent level of Spanish to get most of it.

Day game should offer so much possibility with knowledge of Spanish.

Well all I can say is that Santa Fe is something serious. I have been there at least 100 times and now I can say that I have been there every hour of the day since I got there the other night at 1:30am and left at 5:30am. The only danger that I have sensed is maybe having a heart attack from trying to fuck all those chicas. I just left there now in the nick of time since my girlfriend called and told me to send the Uber for her. We are supposed to be going out of town somewhere tomorrow. I guess I will write my reports when I am at the airport Monday.

Maybe I should have left my Galaxy Note 9 back in the room. But hell, nobody has ever bothered me about anything before down there. If it ain't broke...

[QUOTE=TuneFor;2234747]Decided to go with him in famous Santa Fe.

Place look scary and like from movies but quality of girls is amazing.

We went in Paisas club and girls were 5 times better looking then in that stupid Forty Nine club, and not pushy at all.

We just sit for hour and drunk and nobody approached us. Great place.

There were few gems but some already taken, ended up agreeing on TLN with super cute and sexy Venezuelan. 500 pesos.

My friend said I overpaid it but compared to previous night it seemed like a good deal.[/QUOTE]Holy Jeezus dude. Was that the price YOU offered? Cause I just finished fucking 5 chicks down there and 4 initially said 200K for all night without me even countering. The 5th one said she didn't do TLN, but her attitude sucked anyway. I told her too bad her attitude was terrible because I was in love with her body. Matter of fact, I cut the session short. But for the 35K that I paid it was worth it just to see her naked and spreading.

$200? $300? Surely you did not RTFF beforehand. I thought it was something that my girlfriend only makes $258 (800K pesos) per month on her job, until the chick that was supposed to come see me from Barranquilla said she only makes $129 (400K pesos) per month at the pharmacy she works at. Use those figures as a guide.

[QUOTE=TuneFor;2234747]Damn I am lazy bastard, being reading this forum last 2 months but now when I am here already for 4 night still didn't post about experiences but let go.

Arrived late on Saturday, things didn't start well because my prearranged transport and guide couldn't make it.

OK lets try Uber with poor airport signal, had problems determine pick up point in that chaos. Uber is not welcomed at airport so don't be surprised if he don't show up but somehow I managed to get this one.

I was so tired but as it was Saturday night going to bed was not option.

Had few drinks in hotel and ordered Uber for Zona Rosa. At least I was thinking it.

Ended up in some oder Zona Rosa, wasted 20 min and it was already 1:40.

In Zona Rosa clubs were quite crowded but didn't want to go in as they are closing at 03 am. First goal was to get myself refreshed so managed to do it and then had to decide what's next.

As it was Saturday wanted experience nightlife and leave hookers as last option.

Went to club Video, what a mistake, full of gays.

Then hit the Baum, best techno club in Bogota. Picked up 2 contacts but went home alone due to being done in every way.

Day 2.

Managed to hook up with one of the girls from SA.

Dinner and then to hotel.

We agreed on 200 bucks, she was a wild one, squirting on my bed to point that I had to put spare sheets to sleep later on.

Day 3.

Spent day resting and later some shopping and visiting Parque 93.

After having few drinks in hotel decided to hit Forty Nine Club on recommendation of a taxist / tour guide.

Place was empty. Only me and 2 other guys at another table.

Girls where super pushy, couldn't drink my beer in peace. But ended up being good tactic because eventually I agreed on TDL with 2 of them which looked like party girls so I said OK it might be interesting.

It wasn't.

First of all I overpaid them. Agreed on 300 bucks, but eventually at the end of night paid at least 400 because it was always something more to payed.

They stayed until 5-6 am, 1 was super hot so I mainly fucked her as other was useless. Noisy as fuck, ended up being knocked twice by receptionist on doors.

Somehow managed to finish after some porn movies and 2 of them doing what asked.

Again they wanted more money and ended up giving them 50 bucks how much they asked just to get rid of them.

Hope will learn from this experience, but they were good actors, fooling me they are into partying and having a blast of a night.

Def wouldn't recommend Forty Nine Club.

Day 3.

Was destroyed all day from night before, hotel had such a bad sound isolation so couldn't sleep until late afternoon.

Went for first meal of day at 7 pm, some sushi place, with nice waiters serving me.

Took her number as she was showing some interest, (still pending on her at this point of writing this report).

Around 10 pm meet with the guy which didn't show up first day at airport due to car problems.

Ended up being awesome guy which can help you a lot if you a first time here and with limited Spanish. (limited is strong word in my case).

Decided to go with him in famous Santa Fe.

Place look scary and like from movies but quality of girls is amazing.

We went in Paisas club and girls were 5 times better looking then in that stupid Forty Nine club, and not pushy at all.

We just sit for hour and drunk and nobody approached us. Great place.

There were few gems but some already taken, ended up agreeing on TLN with super cute and sexy Venezuelan. 500 pesos.

My friend said I overpaid it but compared to previous night it seemed like a good deal.

Of to my place, she stayed until 8 am, amazing body with several Tattoos on interesting places.

Lack of my Spanish and her English was a problem but still it was nice experience.

Day 4.

Again didn't sleep almost but had arrangement with one girl from SA.

She was late 1 HR due to traffic, but OK nothing to do anyway.

She had period so she said already before that we go on other entrance.

Crazy chick. Not a super beauty but super performer.

Stayed around 2 hrs, she wanted to hang out more but I was done. Gave her 150 m pesos and for taxi.

So in 4 days 4 chicks, actually 5 if we count that bloody duo which was huge mistake.

Tomorrow need to change hotel and then final day in Bogota before Medellin.

So far I would say it is awesome place to have fun but should come with semi decent level of Spanish to get most of it.

Day game should offer so much possibility with knowledge of Spanish.[/QUOTE]Mate you was overpaying!! All your girls hit jackpot with you except last girl for 150 mil for 2 hours you pay reasonable price. I suggest read more forum and don't do same mistake at medellin!!

[QUOTE=TuneFor;2234747]Damn I am lazy bastard, being reading this forum last 2 months but now when I am here already for 4 night still didn't post about experiences but let go.

Arrived late on Saturday, things didn't start well because my prearranged transport and guide couldn't make it.

OK lets try Uber with poor airport signal, had problems determine pick up point in that chaos. Uber is not welcomed at airport so don't be surprised if he don't show up but somehow I managed to get this one.

I was so tired but as it was Saturday night going to bed was not option.

Had few drinks in hotel and ordered Uber for Zona Rosa. At least I was thinking it.

Ended up in some oder Zona Rosa, wasted 20 min and it was already 1:40..[/QUOTE]I really need to start a monger travel agency. Heck, you could have paid me $300 for my WhatsApp and you would already be $200 ahead.

What really matters is that you're enjoying yourself. If you're planning on spending $200 or $300 or $400 for a fun trio in Medellin, let me know. I'm sure I know someone who would do a much job for that money.

For those who are skeptical of going to Santa Fe at night I was there from 1:30 am - 4 am and although it might look sketchy as long as ou keep your eyes open you'll be perfectly alright.

On my first trip to Bogota I visited casas because I was traveling solo and didn't want to venture into Santa Fe alone based on other members in the forum.

This time I got in touch with woodman and spent few hours taking me around Santa Fe.

We met little after 11 and were out to close to 3 am. During that time we strolled around the blocks few times and he took me to too many clubs to name. We were going from club to club checking out the talent. Some of the bigger clubs were packed with both men and women while others were dead. Girls just sitting around and looking for men.

The place was loaded with Venezolanas and I personally thought it was good. There were some good looking girls in and out of the club and you will find your type in Santa Fe.

I would consider myself to be pretty picky when it comes to looks and (woodman took me around to the same clubs few times seeking for talent) I found girls that I fancied.

Girls are friendly and are looking for business so if you find what you like just smile and chit chat and go from there.

If you are weary of going to SF alone reach out to woodman. He will help you out and make sure you are having a good time.

I must write Random Musings / Thoughts in Santa Fe soon, one I just thought of is.

It's so great to get all Hot by the beautiful girls in the clubs and stepping out and boning down on a hot streety sweetie or two? It's just as good and economical to!

I slipped out got baked and hit one of my GF hookers, And than thought I was done but ran into a really sexy flaquita blanquita named Mia. What a petite cutie 25 years old but seemed like 18-19.

GF service for $42000. No baby damage and nice and tight. I told her 'Tengo mas ratos de prontio'.

More coming, Anyhow, in the meantime, Here is important info; here is a link to Colombian Holidays, They are mainly on Monday called Festivo.

[URL]http://www.cuandoenelmundo.com/calendario/colombia/2018[/URL]

This is a continuation from my travels starting in Panama.

I had set up a fake Facebook account about a month before I left. Facebook will automatically make suggestions of friends in whatever city your are in. I was on a group tour going through Bogota, Medellin and Cartagena. The group had a very clear policy of no drugs no chicas so I had to be discreet.

FB Girls would keep on messaging me and I took it as a good way to practice my Spanish. I would keep on friending their friends and quickly I had 100 female friends in four different cities.

I started flirting with this very attractive 32 year old in Bogota who I was hoping to meet. I had a 5 hour window from when my plane landed to when I had to meet my group. I had pre-arranged a private driver / tour guide for the afternoon.

Our flirting went on for a couple of weeks and I had a difficult time pinning her down as to meeting her. She eventually confessed 2 days before I arrived that she had to go out of town. I was disappointed that I did not have the sexy company but I had a driver for the afternoon and was going to explore Bogota.

When I expressed my disappointment in her being away she told me she had Amigas! I told her that they would not be beautiful as her but I would like the company. I was sent pictures of her friend who does not take a good picture. The picture of her face was OK and her dressed picture of her was plain Jane. I was told she could speak some English and that she was a fun person. I figured I had nothing to lose and would like the company for the afternoon. We connected over WhatsApp and talked for a couple of days. Since she spoke a little English we agreed she would speak in English and I would speak in Spanish so we could both practice. We had a little flirtatious talk and she agreed to be my novia for the afternoon.

After I got through the airport I met my driver and he took me off to my hotel to drop off my stuff then we would start the tour but I told him we were going to pick up my Novia at the gold museum. I promised to tip well and off we went. I messaged my Novia when I was delayed in the meeting and she just told me to take my time she would wait for me. When I arrived at the Gold museum I saw this stunning women waiting for me. She was hot. We greeted each other and off we went. Straight away she was very hands on and flirtatious. We took the gondola up Monserrate and just chatted as friends getting to know each other. We toured around Monserrate and she told me about her city. Soon we were making out like teenagers.

When we returned to our driver we decided to change the tour and go to a love hotel near the airport. Love motels are very interesting worth reading about them on the internet. The afternoon was great. Naked her body was amazing. Nothing was off limits between us. When we were done I dropped her off at the bus stop and she promised to write. We are still communicating through WhatsApp on a daily basis. I usually receive a daily sexy photo and continue to practice my Spanish. Win. My opinion is that if you connect with a FB girl you may have a better girlfriend experience.

Off to meet my group and eventually arrive in Medellin.

[QUOTE=TuneFor;2234747]Damn I am lazy bastard, being reading this forum last 2 months but now when I am here already for 4 night still didn't post about experiences but let go.

Arrived late on Saturday, things didn't start well because my prearranged transport and guide couldn't make it.

OK lets try Uber with poor airport signal, had problems determine pick up point in that chaos. Uber is not welcomed at airport so don't be surprised if he don't show up but somehow I managed to get this one.

I was so tired but as it was Saturday night going to bed was not option.

Had few drinks in hotel and ordered Uber for Zona Rosa. At least I was thinking it.

Ended up in some oder Zona Rosa, wasted 20 min and it was already 1:40.

In Zona Rosa clubs were quite crowded but didn't want to go in as they are closing at 03 am. First goal was to get myself refreshed so managed to do it and then had to decide what's next.

As it was Saturday wanted experience nightlife and leave hookers as last option.

Went to club Video, what a mistake, full of gays.

Then hit the Baum, best techno club in Bogota. Picked up 2 contacts but went home alone due to being done in every way.

Day 2.

Managed to hook up with one of the girls from SA.

Dinner and then to hotel.

We agreed on 200 bucks, she was a wild one, squirting on my bed to point that I had to put spare sheets to sleep later on.

Day 3.

Spent day resting and later some shopping and visiting Parque 93.

After having few drinks in hotel decided to hit Forty Nine Club on recommendation of a taxist / tour guide.

Place was empty. Only me and 2 other guys at another table.

Girls where super pushy, couldn't drink my beer in peace. But ended up being good tactic because eventually I agreed on TDL with 2 of them which looked like party girls so I said OK it might be interesting.

It wasn't.

First of all I overpaid them. Agreed on 300 bucks, but eventually at the end of night paid at least 400 because it was always something more to payed.

They stayed until 5-6 am, 1 was super hot so I mainly fucked her as other was useless. Noisy as fuck, ended up being knocked twice by receptionist on doors.

Somehow managed to finish after some porn movies and 2 of them doing what asked.

Again they wanted more money and ended up giving them 50 bucks how much they asked just to get rid of them.

Hope will learn from this experience, but they were good actors, fooling me they are into partying and having a blast of a night.

Def wouldn't recommend Forty Nine Club.

Day 3.

Was destroyed all day from night before, hotel had such a bad sound isolation so couldn't sleep until late afternoon.

Went for first meal of day at 7 pm, some sushi place, with nice waiters serving me.

Took her number as she was showing some interest, (still pending on her at this point of writing this report).

Around 10 pm meet with the guy which didn't show up first day at airport due to car problems.

Ended up being awesome guy which can help you a lot if you a first time here and with limited Spanish. (limited is strong word in my case).

Decided to go with him in famous Santa Fe.

Place look scary and like from movies but quality of girls is amazing.

We went in Paisas club and girls were 5 times better looking then in that stupid Forty Nine club, and not pushy at all.

We just sit for hour and drunk and nobody approached us. Great place.

There were few gems but some already taken, ended up agreeing on TLN with super cute and sexy Venezuelan. 500 pesos.

My friend said I overpaid it but compared to previous night it seemed like a good deal.

Of to my place, she stayed until 8 am, amazing body with several Tattoos on interesting places.

Lack of my Spanish and her English was a problem but still it was nice experience.

Day 4.

Again didn't sleep almost but had arrangement with one girl from SA.

She was late 1 HR due to traffic, but OK nothing to do anyway.

She had period so she said already before that we go on other entrance.

Crazy chick. Not a super beauty but super performer.

Stayed around 2 hrs, she wanted to hang out more but I was done. Gave her 150 m pesos and for taxi.

So in 4 days 4 chicks, actually 5 if we count that bloody duo which was huge mistake.

Tomorrow need to change hotel and then final day in Bogota before Medellin.

So far I would say it is awesome place to have fun but should come with semi decent level of Spanish to get most of it.

Day game should offer so much possibility with knowledge of Spanish.[/QUOTE]As others have stated DAMN you overpaid by a factor of 10 x! Please please please stop it, the girls you paid are now completely fucked for life, god forbid the next guy that comes along.

The Tall Man.

Hit SF last night first time I have ever seen a 3 girl daisy-chain at Atons. Actully you too can be a performer.

They do Boy-Girl shows on stage at Atones and Venus Club also La Casona I believe. At Venus you have to pay $10.000 to do it.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2238746]As others have stated DAMN you overpaid by a factor of 10 x! Please please please stop it, the girls you paid are now completely fucked for life, god forbid the next guy that comes along.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Jesus the amount of money you were paying in Santa Fe. Of alll places. Someone should have been with you to take your wallet from you my dude. Haha did you read the forum at all. They were probably very happy to see you coming. You spent more then me in 3 days then in 9 days. Please before you go back do your research.

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Wow even though Friday / Saturday are supposed to be the best. I went last night, so many beautiful debutante looking girls, and not so many guys. It was so relaxing to not have a crowd and just have your pick. The Best bar was La Casona, Pretty girls just sitting around looking bored.

I saw a young Latin Betty Paige do a great Lesbo show at Venus, I will have to get a lap dance from her or more some time soon.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2240152]Wow even though Friday / Saturday are supposed to be the best. I went last night, so many beautiful debutante looking girls, and not so many guys. It was so relaxing to not have a crowd and just have your pick. The Best bar was La Casona, Pretty girls just sitting around looking bored.

I saw a young Latin Betty Paige do a great Lesbo show at Venus, I will have to get a lap dance from her or more some time soon.[/QUOTE]By sheer chance I ran into Woodman last night in Santa Fe, really cool meeting you Woodman!

I will try to write a brief report about my stay in Bogota and my experiences in Santa Fe but for the time being let me say DAMN I am impressed by both the quantity and quality of the chicas! Simply incredible time last night seeing hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of beautiful lady's!

Heading back out their tonight after some planned touristy things to do during the day.

Again I am very impressed by the Santa Fe areas, both the strip clubs and on the streets, dozens and dozens of mainly Venezuelan girls lined up shoulder to shoulder with the next looking even prettier then the other. It took me and my friend literally hours to make a decision, un-fu*king believable selection of street walkers.

The Tall Man.

Really Great to meet you too TallMan! I have met a lot of great members during the last month.

Santa Fe is the best it has ever been in the 7 yrs I have been here. I believe SF is the best red-light area in the world in terms of quality and selection.

The Streetie Sweetie line up on 23rd street reminds me of La Habana in the 90's before the crack down. It is Over the Top!

Get here before you die!

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2241148]By sheer chance I ran into Woodman last night in Santa Fe, really cool meeting you Woodman!

I will try to write a brief report about my stay in Bogota and my experiences in Santa Fe but for the time being let me say DAMN I am impressed by both the quantity and quality of the chicas! Simply incredible time last night seeing hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of beautiful lady's!

Heading back out their tonight after some planned touristy things to do during the day.

Again I am very impressed by the Santa Fe areas, both the strip clubs and on the streets, dozens and dozens of mainly Venezuelan girls lined up shoulder to shoulder with the next looking even prettier then the other. It took me and my friend literally hours to make a decision, un-fu*king believable selection of street walkers.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2241235]Really Great to meet you too TallMan! I have met a lot of great members during the last month.

Santa Fe is the best it has ever been in the 7 yrs I have been here. I believe SF is the best red-light area in the world in terms of quality and selection.

The Streetie Sweetie line up on 23rd street reminds me of La Habana in the 90's before the crack down. It is Over the Top!

Get here before you die![/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up about my full inbox, it is cleared now.

Yes Saturday night was just as busy as the night before, I did not partake in anything but truth be told many cuties out there on 23rd street.

I am back in Medellin now and so will take a run down in centro tonight.

Be safe and enjoy!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2196235]In my 45 years of mongering in brothels, casas, with street girls and what not, only once did a prostitute try to rob me and that was many years ago in a casa in Medellin. [/QUOTE]The only place I have had the girls try to rob me was in Africa. And it was a frequent occurrence there. You can't trust those African girls at all.

I went to SF tonight for a little fun, On the 23rd st sidewalk there were 60 girls all lined up. There were at least 100 girls on the block at least half I would want to get with.

I met a pretty 19 yo Venezolano white girl with dark brown hair, Banged her hard. She was a nice petite girl. Looked like a teen cover model. Will repeat one day soon.

On Sunday afternoon I was on a tour and we were walking SF it was pretty slow on the street, a few nice girls. We went to the club row and walked into a Bahia. It was like a party going on. A bunch of hot girls partying with a few guys. I started dirty dancing with this pretty 20 yr old morena with big natural double the-cups. Ended up upstairs with her. Will repeat one day soon.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2242788]I went to SF tonight for a little fun, On the 23rd st sidewalk there were 60 girls all lined up. There were at least 100 girls on the block at least half I would want to get with.

I met a pretty 19 yo Venezolano white girl with dark brown hair, Banged her hard. She was a nice petite girl. Looked like a teen cover model. Will repeat one day soon.

On Sunday afternoon I was on a tour and we were walking SF it was pretty slow on the street, a few nice girls. We went to the club row and walked into a Bahia. It was like a party going on. A bunch of hot girls partying with a few guys. I started dirty dancing with this pretty 20 yr old morena with big natural double the-cups. Ended up upstairs with her. Will repeat one day soon.[/QUOTE]Any suggestions on where to stay in Bogata for a first time visitor that is Chica friendly and close to the Santa Fe area & 23rd st that you mentioned. I've spent many nights in Panama and have indulged on beautiful Colombianas. Can't wait to visit ground zero for beautiful and plentiful women.

Hi Guys,

Any advice if I am looking for an all night long PSE / GFE than I am for an SF quickie?

I like both, and I know SF, and had great kuck once on cupid Colombia.

But it's slim pickings. Any advice? IS there is list if casas abd trust agencies?

Might somebody help direct me to the links for the Bogota maps? I think Routard or anther dedicated member was nice enough to post / create them but I can't find the link.

Thanks mates!

Guys, in SF can one get a BBBJ? I speka spanish and can negotiate, but is it ever on the table, and of so, m what is a faur amount to pay extra for the service.

It's the one thing I really care about, along with DFK.

(this is why I usuailly look for a GFE online or at a casa rather than SF, but not sure where to start with the hundreds of casas!

[QUOTE=MjTravelLove;2243570]Guys, in SF can one get a BBBJ? I speka spanish and can negotiate, but is it ever on the table, and of so, m what is a faur amount to pay extra for the service.

It's the one thing I really care about, along with DFK.

(this is why I usuailly look for a GFE online or at a casa rather than SF, but not sure where to start with the hundreds of casas![/QUOTE]Yep, I've had it in the clubs. Not usually available but if you have a good rapport with the chica you can sometimes agree it in advance. I'd say you're more likely to get BBBJ than DFK.

Gents, I'm living in Bogota and was wondering if anyone could recommend regular clubs where older Gringos would not stand out like a sore thumb. In Medellin I found clubs where most of the people were regular customers, but there were plenty of working girls who would go home for a propina. It was fun because you could party before the climax of the evening.

That combination would be perfect, but even a club without some working girls where there are gringos are common enough would be good too.

On that note, a long time ago I read that the Irish Pub or the Pub in Zona T on Cra. 12 a ##83-48 is also a place for gringos to mingle with Bogotanas. Is that still the case?

In any case, it would be a pleasure to go with any of you gents.

Hablo espanol malo, pero suficiente.

Cheers mates.

[QUOTE=Trifecta68;2243194]Any suggestions on where to stay in Bogata for a first time visitor that is Chica friendly and close to the Santa Fe area & 23rd st that you mentioned. I've spent many nights in Panama and have indulged on beautiful Colombianas. Can't wait to visit ground zero for beautiful and plentiful women.[/QUOTE]A lot of guys like Museo Ibis Hotel. There are lotsa of great studios available on AirBnB.

[QUOTE=MjTravelLove;2243570]Guys, in SF can one get a BBBJ? I speka spanish and can negotiate, but is it ever on the table, and of so, m what is a faur amount to pay extra for the service.

It's the one thing I really care about, along with DFK.

(this is why I usuailly look for a GFE online or at a casa rather than SF, but not sure where to start with the hundreds of casas![/QUOTE]Back in the early 2000's BBBJ was just part of the deal! The Good Old Days!!

These days I usually always ask about it. Its a great ice breaker LOL ¿Puedes chupar sin condon? I also like to get real smaltzy and whisper in their ear quiero besarte' and start feeling them up. You can see how they react and it gives me a clue about their attitude.

Actually there are girls who will say yes to BBBJ for as little as $5 or nothing. I think they may say yes to certain guys and no to others. There's a really hot Paisa named Valaria, she is a 9-10 looks like Veronica on Archie she has the leopard print tattoo on her shoulder. Totally natural 19 yo with big see-cups. I Met her in the streets and she was giving me GFEs for $50 mil. I think she was new when I met her because started doing less BBBJ as I kept seeing her. But that girl loved to get boned at least by me. Saw her in Troya last week, she is probably still in town.

I personally do not know of any such clubs in Bogota, but you say you know of regular clubs in Medellin where one could also find plenty of working girls. Can you please share the names of these Medellin clubs too?

[QUOTE=Cm6363;2244231]Gents, I'm living in Bogota and was wondering if anyone could recommend regular clubs where older Gringos would not stand out like a sore thumb. In Medellin I found clubs where most of the people were regular customers, but there were plenty of working girls who would go home for a propina. It was fun because you could party before the climax of the evening.

That combination would be perfect, but even a club without some working girls where there are gringos are common enough would be good too.

On that note, a long time ago I read that the Irish Pub or the Pub in Zona T on Cra. 12 a ##83-48 is also a place for gringos to mingle with Bogotanas. Is that still the case?

In any case, it would be a pleasure to go with any of you gents.

Hablo espanol malo, pero suficiente.

Cheers mates.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PerroChino;2244323]I personally do not know of any such clubs in Bogota, but you say you know of regular clubs in Medellin where one could also find plenty of working girls. Can you please share the names of these Medellin clubs too?[/QUOTE]That's a great question and I hope someone can help me out on this. When I was staying in Poblado, I went to an area with a few bars and discos that was just off to the west side of the Autopista, south of Poblado. My last visit to Medellin I could not find the area and I did go to all of main ones including Laureales, La 33, La 70 y Las Palmas. The funny thing was when I went there 4 years ago, it was after going to Las Palmas and not being to get into the regular disco. I didn't want to go to a night club, so the taxi driver took me there.

Any ideas where I was?

[QUOTE=MjTravelLove;2243545]Might somebody help direct me to the links for the Bogota maps? I think Routard or anther dedicated member was nice enough to post / create them but I can't find the link.

Thanks mates![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2203060]North to South.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1Y7d556oDwhh_X83ZCec7ItKPaXQ&ll=4.703915718162304%2C-74.04540605000005&z=13[/URL]

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1mIZMErk8w3Us_tnZ-lVs6h6kgvA&ll=4.661574410677932%2C-74.10110514999997&z=14[/URL]

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=13ocBQUflm57FfMBszPYYRZskdtM&ll=4.62792499704242%2C-74.10891029999999&z=13[/URL][/QUOTE]There you go. It was under the Bogota Lists thread. Have fun and make sure to report back.

[QUOTE=Cm6363;2244347]That's a great question and I hope someone can help me out on this. When I was staying in Poblado, I went to an area with a few bars and discos that was just off to the west side of the Autopista, south of Poblado. My last visit to Medellin I could not find the area and I did go to all of main ones including Laureales, La 33, La 70 y Las Palmas. The funny thing was when I went there 4 years ago, it was after going to Las Palmas and not being to get into the regular disco. I didn't want to go to a night club, so the taxi driver took me there.

Any ideas where I was?[/QUOTE]Yes. I know right where you were. It's as you said, on the west side of the Autopista, just south of the Aguacatala metro station. Never went in, but passed by it all the time.

[QUOTE=Cm6363;2244231]Gents, I'm living in Bogota and was wondering if anyone could recommend regular clubs where older Gringos would not stand out like a sore thumb. In Medellin I found clubs where most of the people were regular customers, but there were plenty of working girls who would go home for a propina. It was fun because you could party before the climax of the evening.

That combination would be perfect, but even a club without some working girls where there are gringos are common enough would be good too.

On that note, a long time ago I read that the Irish Pub or the Pub in Zona T on Cra. 12 a ##83-48 is also a place for gringos to mingle with Bogotanas. Is that still the case?

In any case, it would be a pleasure to go with any of you gents.

Hablo espanol malo, pero suficiente.

Cheers mates.[/QUOTE]To make it short: there are no such bars or night clubs where pros and regular girls are mixed. And funny, each time someone is asking for it on the Bogota thread claiming that it exists in Medellin but no one is able to give the adresses of these supposed places in Medellin. It is not possible for a couple of reasons. One reason is that no regular girl would go to have fun in a place where are pros and punters. Another reason is that the owner needs to control his business and would not allow unidentified pros to enter in a regular place. There are indeed some pros in zona T looking for gringos but it's a scam. They use scopolamine to rob their victims. Serious places such as Irish Pub would never allow those girls to operate inside their business. If you are looking for pros, for your own safety go and get them in places designed for it and where they are controled. Places such as Gringo Tuesdays or Irish Pub are to pick up regular girls, and there are plenty of regular girls willing to meet gringos. If you want to pay them, you would ruin it and end up without sex. Just don't mix the places and mix pros with regulars girls.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2244248]A lot of guys like Museo Ibis Hotel. There are lotsa of great studios available on AirBnB.[/QUOTE]Woodman; thanks for the tip. Are you the guy that tours punters in Bogata? If so I'll PM you.

[QUOTE=Trifecta68;2244605]Woodman; thanks for the tip. Are you the guy that tours punters in Bogata? If so I'll PM you.[/QUOTE]Look forward to hearing from you.

[QUOTE=Routard;2244560]To make it short: there are no such bars or night clubs where pros and regular girls are mixed. And funny, each time someone is asking for it on the Bogota thread claiming that it exists in Medellin but no one is able to give the adresses of these supposed places in Medellin. It is not possible for a couple of reasons. One reason is that no regular girl would go to have fun in a place where are pros and punters. Another reason is that the owner needs to control his business and would not allow unidentified pros to enter in a regular place. There are indeed some pros in zona T looking for gringos but it's a scam. They use scopolamine to rob their victims. Serious places such as Irish Pub would never allow those girls to operate inside their business. If you are looking for pros, for your own safety go and get them in places designed for it and where they are controled. Places such as Gringo Tuesdays or Irish Pub are to pick up regular girls, and there are plenty of regular girls willing to meet gringos. If you want to pay them, you would ruin it and end up without sex. Just don't mix the places and mix pros with regulars girls.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the confirmation on the Irish Pub and the recommendation of Gringo Tuesdays. I will look into that.

As for finding a mix in Medellin, I guess you know my experience better than I do.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2244535]Cm6363:
That's a great question and I hope someone can help me out on this. When I was staying in Poblado, I went to an area with a few bars and discos that was just off to the west side of the Autopista, south of Poblado. My last visit to Medellin I could not find the area and I did go to all of main ones including Laureales, La 33, La 70 y Las Palmas. The funny thing was when I went there 4 years ago, it was after going to Las Palmas and not being to get into the regular disco. I didn't want to go to a night club, so the taxi driver took me there.

Any ideas where I was?

JjBee62:
Yes. I know right where you were. It's as you said, on the west side of the Autopista, just south of the Aguacatala metro station. Never went in, but passed by it all the time.[/QUOTE]

Thanks JjBee. So I looked at Google Maps. Seems like two possibilities. Discoteca Palmahia, Cll 86 (which is referred to as a Night Club on Google Maps) and Discoteca Fahrenheit, Cll 84. From the layout of the streets, my guess is it was Discoteca Palmahia.

Given what Routard wrote, maybe I just got lucky and was singled out by a few young ladies who made the pitch on a mediocre night. Then again, I also saw two younger gringos begging two Paisas not to get in a cab and the only explanation I could think of from what I saw was that they didn't realize there was a cost to finish the night on a bang.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/search/bar[/URL]+medellin+Aguacatala+metro+station / at 6. 1885709,-75.5880101,17 z.

[QUOTE=Cm6363;2244731]
Given what Routard wrote, maybe I just got lucky and was singled out by a few young ladies who made the pitch on a mediocre night. [/QUOTE]Can't answer on it of course, just guessing. It happened to me a couple of times that pros who have spotted me before in a brothel just meet me by accident in a regular place and try to fake a regular encounter.

[QUOTE=Cm6363;2244731]Then again, I also saw two younger gringos begging two Paisas not to get in a cab and the only explanation I could think of from what I saw was that they didn't realize there was a cost to finish the night on a bang.[/QUOTE]This happened to me also, but it was not a pro, just a desperate and drunk ex girl friend that tried to stay sleeping with me but I was fed up of her attitude and just pushed her and her amiga in a cab begging them to go home. When the taxi finally left with both girls inside, I realized people around me in the street found the scene very comic, a gringo trying to get rid of two young Colombianas,

[QUOTE=Routard;2244743] CM6363: Given what Routard wrote, maybe I just got lucky and was singled out by a few young ladies who made the pitch on a mediocre night.

Routard: Can't answer on it of course, just guessing. It happened to me a couple of times that pros who have spotted me before in a brothel just meet me by accident in a regular place and try to fake a regular encounter.[/QUOTE]No, they made direct proposals. I think some young ladies feel if they can grab some cash quickly, why not try. Essentially an opportunistic, semi-pro.

[QUOTE=PuntingGeorge;2243783]Yep, I've had it in the clubs. Not usually available but if you have a good rapport with the chica you can sometimes agree it in advance. [u]I'd say you're more likely to get BBBJ[/u] than DFK.[/QUOTE]As someone who will be in Bogota in 4 days, that makes me smile. Out of the many chicas that I've had in MDE, only ONE did that. I hope I'll have better luck in Bogota.

And Woodman, I will be hollering at you. I already have your whatsapp.

[QUOTE=Cm6363;2244731]Thanks JjBee. So I looked at Google Maps. Seems like two possibilities. Discoteca Palmahia, Cll 86 (which is referred to as a Night Club on Google Maps) and Discoteca Fahrenheit, Cll 84. From the layout of the streets, my guess is it was Discoteca Palmahia.

Given what Routard wrote, maybe I just got lucky and was singled out by a few young ladies who made the pitch on a mediocre night. Then again, I also saw two younger gringos begging two Paisas not to get in a cab and the only explanation I could think of from what I saw was that they didn't realize there was a cost to finish the night on a bang.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/search/bar[/URL]+medellin+Aguacatala+metro+station / at 6. 1885709,-75.5880101,17 z.[/QUOTE]You would have known if you were at Fahrenheit. You would have had partial hearing loss for 1 day after going there. There's also Dulce Jesus Mio along the Autopista.

All respect for Routard's Bogota reporting, but he's mistaken on this one. I've found working girls in most of the clubs and bars I visited in Medellin. Most of the girls on my Facebook are often posting from various regular clubs. Now, they aren't going there looking for customers, but they're usually more than happy to find a customer there.

Hi All,

I have checked out many places on the map that Routard, I think, so kindly put together.

Does anybody recommend any particular casas (or clubs) with a laid back atmosphere? Such as, you enter and have time to hang and chat up the girls a bit before choosing.

Most casas I visited in Bogota, you entered and basically had to choose or leave on the spot.

And in general, the best casas are quality and number of chicas are?

[QUOTE=PuntingGeorge;2244532]There you go. It was under the Bogota Lists thread. Have fun and make sure to report back.[/QUOTE]Thank and I will report back!

MjT.

I was in Club 49 years ago when I spend quite a bit of time and Bogota. The club was full of women, many of them quite attractive. They were mostly pretty aloof, somewhat cold, so it wouldn't be a surprised that they weren't too friendly after taking them home. It was clear that this was a very expensive place. I forget exactly what they wanted but it was something like four times the normal price of the time maybe even more. Nevertheless there was one really hot girl that I still think about. But because of the price I didn't even say Hello, to her. I don't think that paying that kind of money in that place is going to spoil anyone because these girls are already spoiled. When I was there was the same as you described just a few guys there and tons and tons of women. They work on low volume and high prices. I don't think there's anything wrong with that because they were pretty clear and upfront. There are guys that are quite happy with that sort of arrangement.

P.S. I met Routard on that trip. What a great guy.

TuneFor --After having few drinks in hotel decided to hit Forty Nine Club on recommendation of a taxist / tour guide. Place was empty. Only me and 2 other guys at another table. Girls where super pushy, couldn't drink my beer in peace. But ended up being good tactic because eventually I agreed on TDL with 2 of them which looked like party girls so I said OK it might be interesting. It wasn't. First of all I overpaid them. Agreed on 300 bucks, but eventually at the end of night paid at least 400 because it was always something more to payed. Again they wanted more money and ended up giving them 50 bucks how much they asked just to get rid of them. Hope will learn from this experience, but they were good actors, fooling me they are into partying and having a blast of a night. Def wouldn't recommend Forty Nine Club.

[QUOTE=MjTravelLove;2245098]Does anybody recommend any particular casas (or clubs) with a laid back atmosphere? Such as, you enter and have time to hang and chat up the girls a bit before choosing.[/QUOTE]Places in Santa Fe such as California are like that. And those girls are actually freelance.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2245120]Places in Santa Fe such as California are like that. And those girls are actually freelance.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Good to know!

Guys,

I am in a layover in Bogota, departing tomorrow AM.

Anyone looking for have some fun time in the North tonight? I have heard Lido is best on Wednesdays and Thursdays.

[QUOTE=MjTravelLove;2245098]Hi All,

I have checked out many places on the map that Routard, I think, so kindly put together.

Does anybody recommend any particular casas (or clubs) with a laid back atmosphere? Such as, you enter and have time to hang and chat up the girls a bit before choosing.

Most casas I visited in Bogota, you entered and basically had to choose or leave on the spot.

And in general, the best casas are quality and number of chicas are?[/QUOTE]You don't need to choose on the spot if you buy a drink, which is extremely cheap (1 dollar or so). In most of the casas I have visited, I ask for a beer first and tell them I will choose later. Then you can choose someone before sex for drinking with her but you will have to invite her drink.

Arrived 5 am morning Stayed at hotel el virrey the single room was small, have hot water, wifi 10 minutes away by walk to santa fe and it cheap so was perfect for 13 hour stay.

Visited tantra spa: girls price 20 min-30 mil (2 girls - 60 mil) 30 min-40 mil (2 girls 80 mil) they show me 10-11 girls but I like just one. The girl who is dealing with girls try increase price for me and said 30 min-50 mil I show her whatsapp message from tantra spa with all prices so she said ok 30 min-40 mil. I choose venezualian girl name sami 21 years she was good at sex, BBBJ follows and allowed make some pic of her. The room at tantra spa is really small like 1 metre on 2 metres with single bed. Take sami whatsapp number and left.

Next casa I visited was chicas milenio I really like this place. Girls price: 20 min-40 mil 30 min-50 mil 1 hour-70 mil. I walk inside and was 12-15 girls I like 5 or 6 of them. Girls was sitting on sofas and standing some drinking with costumers. They all come to me at same time try shake my hand and said their names so I get confused and forget which was which. I saw one black good looking girl who didint come to me to shake my hand and introduce herself so I walk to her and said lets go. She ask how long you want I said 30 minutes she said 50 mil. I give money for her and she give it for a guy behind counter. The girl name was mariana 21 or 22 girls old half venezualian half colombian she was fine at bed but don't want make BBBJ so do it with condom. Later she allowed make some photos oh her and give her whatsapp. The room at chickas milenio are big. I like this place and defenitely comeback because have many good looking girls with fair price.

Later I walk to santa fe it was 4 pm evening so was not so busy yet but plenty of girls too choose I visited California club have some cute girls inside and after decided to find some street girl. Opposite paisas club I saw group of girls one was good looking I offer her 40 mil for 30 minutes she want 60 mil after some negotation we agree on 50 mil for 30 minutes. We walk inside short time hotel I give her 50 mil and she pay for a room herself. The girl was 22 years old venezualian name carolline sweet and friendly also not so bad on bed. We fucked hard for 15-20 minutes but I could cum so I take off condom and she wank till make me cum. She not allowed make some pic of her but give her facebook. 13 hours at Bogota not so bad spend.

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2246796]Arrived 5 am morning Stayed at hotel el virrey the single room was small, have hot water, wifi 10 minutes away by walk to santa fe and it cheap so was perfect for 13 hour stay.

Visited tantra spa: girls price 20 min-30 mil (2 girls - 60 mil) 30 min-40 mil (2 girls 80 mil) they show me 10-11 girls but I like just one. The girl who is dealing with girls try increase price for me and said 30 min-50 mil I show her whatsapp message from tantra spa with all prices so she said ok 30 min-40 mil. I choose venezualian girl name sami 21 years she was good at sex, BBBJ follows and allowed make some pic of her. The room at tantra spa is really small like 1 metre on 2 metres with single bed. Take sami whatsapp number and left.

Next casa I visited was chicas milenio I really like this place. Girls price: 20 min-40 mil 30 min-50 mil 1 hour-70 mil. I walk inside and was 12-15 girls I like 5 or 6 of them. Girls was sitting on sofas and standing some drinking with costumers. They all come to me at same time try shake my hand and said their names so I get confused and forget which was which. I saw one black good looking girl who didint come to me to shake my hand and introduce herself so I walk to her and said lets go. She ask how long you want I said 30 minutes she said 50 mil. I give money for her and she give it for a guy behind counter. The girl name was mariana 21 or 22 girls old half venezualian half colombian she was fine at bed but don't want make BBBJ so do it with condom. Later she allowed make some photos oh her and give her whatsapp. The room at chickas milenio are big. I like this place and defenitely comeback because have many good looking girls with fair price.

Later I walk to santa fe it was 4 pm evening so was not so busy yet but plenty of girls too choose I visited California club have some cute girls inside and after decided to find some street girl. Opposite paisas club I saw group of girls one was good looking I offer her 40 mil for 30 minutes she want 60 mil after some negotation we agree on 50 mil for 30 minutes. We walk inside short time hotel I give her 50 mil and she pay for a room herself. The girl was 22 years old venezualian name carolline sweet and friendly also not so bad on bed. We fucked hard for 15-20 minutes but I could cum so I take off condom and she wank till make me cum. She not allowed make some pic of her but give her facebook. 13 hours at Bogota not so bad spend.[/QUOTE]Love this! Get in, bang hard, get out. No nonsense. Thanks for the reviews.

Hey guys, if you have a chance, please post your favorite few casas in Bogota.

I know the most well known clubs. Those in Santa Fe and so on. But I do not know where to begin with the casa scene. What are the best ones and the best areas of the city for quality casas?

Thanks!

MjT.

I was in Bogotá for business. Thanks to the excellent maps from WorldTravel69, I realized a joint was a mere 150 meters from my hotel. Bar Juan Pablo Zhivago in the "Bogota-North" map. The place was totally unmarked, no signs or anything, just a dude hanging out in front.

I paid about COP 25 k for beers, 35 k for girl drinks, 100 k for the room ("privado" The rooms aren't quite set up for straight sex, they're karaoke rooms with couches, to entertain groups of asians. They put a sheet over the couch for me. I paid the gal US $100, mostly because I felt sorry for her because she was Venezuelan. Mostly GFE, slight upsell tactics. Not the most economical joint in Bogota, but definitely the most economical place within 200 meters of my hotel. No fuss, no muss, all safe and easy.

Is there a drop off in terms of girl quality in between these two cities? Or just different in terms of what city has to offer?

Literally, spent few weeks reading about Medellin but Bogota is way more convenient due to the availability of direct flight from where I live.

Realized that Bogota isn't discuss much as Medellin so wasn't so sure why in desperate of being a capital city.

Please feel free to share any opinions you might have.

[QUOTE=TpHorn;2248776]I paid the gal US $100, mostly because I felt sorry for her because she was Venezuelan.[/QUOTE]LOL. Damn. I guess we two different players. At the market yesterday in Lima I bought a hat for $8.30. I let the girl keep the 60 cent change because she was Venezuelan!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2248801]LOL. Damn. I guess we two different players. At the market yesterday in Lima I bought a hat for $8.30. I let the girl keep the 60 cent change because she was Venezuelan![/QUOTE]That's the difference between you and I, I would have gave her the whole 70 cents!

Just a quick warning. Last month I was in Bogota and went to La Casona night club in the red light. My friends and I sat down for some beers and this shady promoter with spiky hair and neck tattoos kept bringing girls to our table. We refused most of them but a few stuck around. Close to closing time this guy then brings drinks for them without asking if it was OK with us and demanded 250 k for the drinks.

We refused and the bar empties as they are closing. There were about 10 guys meanly staring at us as we argued with the promoter. Luckily we had a group and after 20 minutes I gave him 50 k for the drinks and walked out with my crew. The promoter yells out us as we walk out but ultimately does nothing besides verbal threats. This guys speaks very good English but is a hustler. I would avoid this place. Please be careful out there guys.

Hey people,

I went last Saturday to Chicas Milenio and it was closed. I stopped by on Tuesday and the situation was the same. I found the guy that works in the door of Chicas 2000 (the casa located at the front of Chicas Milenio) and the guy let me in using an alternative door. Inside, I found only 3 girls working and one of them explained to me that both places were intervened by the police the last Friday.

Will let you know if the situation changes.

Hey guys, I'll be coming to Colombia for the first time in late January for at least 3 weeks. I speak pretty good Spanish and have mongered a lot in Europe, the DR and Argentina, though all I know about Colombia is what have read and seen online. I've read back many pages here, but still have to ask some annoying newbie questions.

I would like to rent an Airbnb place near the centre and Santa Fe, what neighborhoods should I be looking at? Is Santa Fe within walking distance of the centre, shops cafes etc? Are taxi's there cheap / safe? What about the metro? Is Santa Fe safe to walk around during the daytime, I see it gets dark around 6 pm. I'm a bit of a lone wolf, so if I don't find myself in a group of guys, is it unsafe to walk around there at night? Can you take a chick you see standing in one of those building doorways up to the room without buying any drinks first, I assume so. Thaispice was saying La Casona nightclub tried to rip him off for drinks, is that typical, or what clubs should be avoided there?

I'm into very curvy women, ass and tits all the way! Are there clubs that are better for this type? (nearer the centre if possible). And I also like mulattas and black chicks, they don't have to be European looking! To me a pretentious club with skinny Barbie girls asking me to buy them champagne is my idea of a a boring nightmare. I will take a 30 year old with a big smile and a nice rack and ass over that any day!

I read a lot of you guys talking about chicks you meet online, maybe I'm not as with it as some of you, as I've only really used Badoo for this in the past in the DR. What better sites should I be using? If I don't know anyone yet there, there's no point on Facebook for example.

Ok guys, sorry for all the questions, but any help would be much appreciated!

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2249608]Hey guys, I'll be coming to Colombia for the first time in late January for at least 3 weeks. I speak pretty good Spanish and have mongered a lot in Europe, the DR and Argentina, though all I know about Colombia is what have read and seen online. I've read back many pages here, but still have to ask some annoying newbie questions.

I would like to rent an Airbnb place near the centre and Santa Fe, what neighborhoods should I be looking at? Is Santa Fe within walking distance of the centre, shops cafes etc? Are taxi's there cheap / safe? What about the metro? Is Santa Fe safe to walk around during the daytime, I see it gets dark around 6 pm. I'm a bit of a lone wolf, so if I don't find myself in a group of guys, is it unsafe to walk around there at night? Can you take a chick you see standing in one of those building doorways up to the room without buying any drinks first, I assume so. Thaispice was saying La Casona nightclub tried to rip him off for drinks, is that typical, or what clubs should be avoided there?[/QUOTE]Hey,

I've been to Colombia over ten times and have had an excellent experience each time. Overall I have been to Bogota the most due to the friendly prices and the fact that there are more options there then anywhere else. I've never stayed in Santa Fe but stay close around 10-15 minutes by taxi. Taxis and Uber are safe. I did have one uber driver try to rip me off in Medellin but that's not the norm. I now have a personal driver in Bogota for convenience.

I only go to Santa Fe for chicas and nothing else so I can't comment on food and lodging. I've walked around Santa Fe at 3 pm and even at 3 am. It's sketchy so I recommend a wingman for first time and speaking Spanish makes things easier. Another option is befriend a taxi driver who can show you around. Any chick standing around you can just grab and she will take you to a motel. I've been to most of the clubs there and the la Casona incident was a one off. You have to remember you are looked at as a rich tourist so you always have to be on guard for the hustle.

As far as chicas, there are so many there you will find what you like and don't think there is a particular club for what you like.

I'm actually going to be there the end of January too and plan to stay at around SF for the first time at Hotel Oceania. Area looks shady but its walkable to Santa Fe and I'll be with friends so we are going to give it a try.

I've done the online ads in Bogota and both times were bait and switch so I don't recommend that.

Wow! Just found this website, some nice looking chicas on that! This is a sister website to [URL]slumi.com[/URL] in Spain which I have used before. I didn't realise the prepagado market was so well developed in Colombia, in the DR for example you can forget about finding something similar! When a chica puts $ 150 as her price, does that mean 150,000 peso or 150 USD. I hope peso's!! Damn.......I have to get to this country urgently and start ruining my bank account !

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota[/URL]

[QUOTE=Troloncio;2249463]
I went last Saturday to Chicas Milenio and it was closed. I stopped by on Tuesday and the situation was the same. I found the guy that works in the door of Chicas 2000 (the casa located at the front of Chicas Milenio) and the guy let me in using an alternative door. Inside, I found only 3 girls working and one of them explained to me that both places were intervened by the police the last Friday.[/QUOTE]I was there (Calle 71 #14 A-24) just now. Both places are closed. A guy on the street told me that police shut down Chicas Milenio because they put up signs outside. It's only allowed as long as it's discrete. He said Chicas 2000 should be open again on Monday.

And he gave me a paper with an address and said the girls are there. Calle 67 #23-24 piso 3. This place is not on the map yet.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2249608]Can you take a chick you see standing in one of those building doorways up to the room without buying any drinks first, I assume so.[/QUOTE]I don't know which building doorways you are talking about. The casa or the bar, or the strip club, the restaurant, the beauty shop, or the disco. You would have to be more specific. Funny thing. Over in the Sosua thread, Thailand threads, Philippines threads guys talk about buying a chick drinks first and if you don't buy drinks the girls will think you are cheap, etc. Well in Santa Fe forget all that bullshit. I don't think a chick has ever asked me for a drink (maybe in La Piscina). They are there to get money for fucking. You don't have to pussyfoot around the issue or kiss up to them by buying drinks and stuff. Just get the price and go to the room. Same as it is with all hookers in my eyes. I don't play too much into the fantasy or the "interview/warming up process. " She is here to get money and I am here to get pussy. Let's get to fucking so you can get on to the next customer and I can get on to the next girl.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2249630]Wow! Just found this website, some nice looking chicas on that! This is a sister website to [URL]slumi.com[/URL] in Spain which I have used before. I didn't realise the prepagado market was so well developed in Colombia, in the DR for example you can forget about finding something similar! When a chica puts $ 150 as her price, does that mean 150,000 peso or 150 USD. I hope peso's!! Damn.......I have to get to this country urgently and start ruining my bank account !

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota[/URL][/QUOTE]LOL. You haven't read the forum have you?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2249638]I don't know which building doorways you are talking about [/QUOTE]I'm talking about the downstairs of the buildings in Santa Fe I've seen on youtube videos, where you can see all the girls just hanging out waiting for clients. I guess you don't have to take them for any drink, was just getting a bit confused thinking about Thaispice's comments about the club ripping him off ! Actually, I'm just like you, if a woman asks me to buy them an expensive drink, I tell them I prefer to spend my money on the chica, that way I'm making my point, and letting them know also that they're not wasting their time !

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2249639]LOL. You haven't read the forum have you?[/QUOTE]What, are you going to tell me they're all fakes? I have read back about 10 pages, plus have been reading Medellin, Cali and Barranquilla threads too. I can't read everything in one go. Please enlighten me !

Can anyone point me in the right direction to start listing some fb chicas in Bogota? I'm assuming that there is a similar scene as there is medellin in terms of FB contacts. Thank you! A name or two would be tremendously helpful.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2249658]What, are you going to tell me they're all fakes? I have read back about 10 pages, plus have been reading Medellin, Cali and Barranquilla threads too. I can't read everything in one go. Please enlighten me ![/QUOTE]No. Only that it is conventional info in the Colombia threads that photoprepagos is one of the websites that hookers advertise on. This is from one of my posts in the Medellin thread from 2 weeks ago that mentions that site and 2 others.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2249657]I'm talking about the downstairs of the buildings in Santa Fe I've seen on youtube videos, where you can see all the girls just hanging out waiting for clients. [/QUOTE]Maybe you are talking about the casas. There are no drinks or anything to buy, only hookers and rooms.

I meant the chicas hanging out in the entrances to these type of places. Are they Casas or is that something else? In general, are these places safe to go into, and are the rooms clean?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPTb953Lsyc[/URL]

Same goes for Medellin

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLib1vL08PI[/URL]

They are Street Walkers, that will take in to the hotel.

Check the Map and you can see the difference.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2250022]I meant the chicas hanging out in the entrances to these type of places. Are they Casas or is that something else? In general, are these places safe to go into, and are the rooms clean?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPTb953Lsyc[/URL]

Same goes for Medellin

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLib1vL08PI[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2250022]I meant the chicas hanging out in the entrances to these type of places. Are they Casas or is that something else? In general, are these places safe to go into, and are the rooms clean?
[/QUOTE]Those are short time hotels like Pokeris described. After you pick a girl, she will take you upstairs.


[QUOTE=Pokeris;2246796]

Later I walk to santa fe it was 4 pm evening so was not so busy yet but plenty of girls too choose I visited California club have some cute girls inside and after decided to find some street girl. Opposite paisas club I saw group of girls one was good looking I offer her 40 mil for 30 minutes she want 60 mil after some negotation we agree on 50 mil for 30 minutes. We walk inside short time hotel I give her 50 mil and she pay for a room herself. .[/QUOTE]

Staying at casa guillermo at chapinero its cheap place 70 mil pesos per night for single room. Its clean, have hot shower, doubles beds, internet, tv and its near all chapinero casas.

Ron con piernas carrera. 17 No. 70 A-68 I was walking then guy invite me upstairs and said chicas. I ask how much for 20 minutes and 30 min he said 20 min-25 mil 30 min-30 mil. I walk inside have have 6-7 girls sitting all not my taste so I said thank you and left. This casa is not on the map I think. When I was walking back same street after 1 hour guy give me business card of this place. I will add photo.

I walk to chicas 2000 but they was closed guy next to the doors give me paper with new temporary address Calle 67#23-24 3 piso. I walk to this place it was easy to find its on the same long street where many ugly freelancers standing. I find add ress walk into lift go floor 3. Guy invite me to the room and show 7-8 girls same time I like just one choose venezualian 18 years old name jina. I defenitely not reccomend this girl she don't have any expierence at bed. At first she try to scam me I ask how much is for 30 minutes she told me 60 mil I said its not 60 when she told ok 50 mil. They have big room at that place also jacuzzi and sauna but girl told me next week thy will comeback old location. Jina was not good at bed at all, she don't know how to suck properly, also how to fuck after 10 minutes of useless fucking and sucking I take a condom of and told her to wank for me. She was useless on it also I lost all my mood could get hard anymore so just give up and left. It was my worst expierence so far in Colombia.

Acuarius carerra 19#67-93 4-5 girls upstairs all ugly.

I was walking from acuarius when guy opposite street see me and shout me to come. I go to him he open the doors and I go inside. The people was sitting and drinking inside. This casa have 6-7 girls I like 2 girls here I ask the prices they told me 30 min-40 mil 1 hour-80 mil. I choose the girl name mellany with cute face and nice ass 21 or 22 years old colombian. I pay 40 mil for 30 minutes and go upstairs with a girl. The room is small but looks clean have fan. She done covered blowjob after jump on me and ride hard seems she enjoyed sex also. I could cum I take condom and she start wank for me at the same time she spread her legs and start masturbate her pussy so fast she was so excited even squirt little bit. She wank for me more till I cum. I walk downstairs and on google translator ask girl to write me adress of this place and name so I can comeback. Calle 68#17-87 Bahia de agosto. Its seems also not on casas map.

I also check casa next door on the maps its says castillo spa they have 4-5 girls but all was not good looking 30 min-40 mil 1 hour-80 mil. Defenitely not worth it.

I will add photos of my hotel room, and casa business card with othe casa address also new temporary adress for chicas millenio 2000.

Arrived around 8. 30 pm Friday night it was really busy many girls on streets I saw at least 5-6 girls I liked. Visited club troya entry fee 6 mil it was packed could find empty table to sit. Walk around little bit have some good looking girls finish my water and left. Visited other places like la cosona, fiebre, atunes it was full of people also and some cute girls. Last night I didint take any girl because I was feeling like over fuck already in the all last days. 10 pm catch uber and comeback my hotel go bed early because have flight in the morning.

Thanks for your information.

I added some photos of the places to the places you visited.

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2250032]Staying at casa guillermo at chapinero its cheap place 70 mil pesos per night for single room. Its clean, have hot shower, doubles beds, internet, tv and its near all chapinero casas.

Ron con piernas carrera. 17 No. 70 A-68 I was walking then guy invite me upstairs and said chicas. I ask how much for 20 minutes and 30 min he said 20 min-25 mil 30 min-30 mil. I walk inside have have 6-7 girls sitting all not my taste so I said thank you and left. This casa is not on the map I think. When I was walking back same street after 1 hour guy give me business card of this place. I will add photo.

I walk to chicas 2000 but they was closed guy next to the doors give me paper with new temporary address Calle 67#23-24 3 piso. I walk to this place it was easy to find its on the same long street where many ugly freelancers standing. I find add ress walk into lift go floor 3. Guy invite me to the room and show 7-8 girls same time I like just one choose venezualian 18 years old name jina. I defenitely not reccomend this girl she don't have any expierence at bed. At first she try to scam me I ask how much is for 30 minutes she told me 60 mil I said its not 60 when she told ok 50 mil. They have big room at that place also jacuzzi and sauna but girl told me next week thy will comeback old location. Jina was not good at bed at all, she don't know how to suck properly, also how to fuck after 10 minutes of useless fucking and sucking I take a condom of and told her to wank for me. She was useless on it also I lost all my mood could get hard anymore so just give up and left. It was my worst expierence so far in Colombia.

Acuarius carerra 19#67-93 4-5 girls upstairs all ugly.

I was walking from acuarius when guy opposite street see me and shout me to come. I go to him he open the doors and I go inside. The people was sitting and drinking inside. This casa have 6-7 girls I like 2 girls here I ask the prices they told me 30 min-40 mil 1 hour-80 mil. I choose the girl name mellany with cute face and nice ass 21 or 22 years old colombian. I pay 40 mil for 30 minutes and go upstairs with a girl. The room is small but looks clean have fan. She done covered blowjob after jump on me and ride hard seems she enjoyed sex also. I could cum I take condom and she start wank for me at the same time she spread her legs and start masturbate her pussy so fast she was so excited even squirt little bit. She wank for me more till I cum. I walk downstairs and on google translator ask girl to write me adress of this place and name so I can comeback. Calle 68#17-87 Bahia de agosto. Its seems also not on casas map.

I also check casa next door on the maps its says castillo spa they have 4-5 girls but all was not good looking 30 min-40 mil 1 hour-80 mil. Defenitely not worth it.

I will add photos of my hotel room, and casa business card with othe casa address also new temporary address for chicas millenio 2000.[/QUOTE]

Thaispice, thanks for all your advice!

A few more questions I'm afraid. What street should I look at on google maps if I want to see the centre of street action in Santa Fe? La candeleria is the city centre, right? Generally safe to wander around there? Where are the majority of clubs, in Santa Fe or elsewhere?

Thats disappointing what you said re. Online ads, were they from the website Prepagados or other sites? Mundo Annuncio seems to be pretty crap there. There are many chicas on prepagados I like in Usaquen, is that a good area to stay in? Seems a long way from the cente though, so maybe not.

I don't see any Bogota map on the forum, only one for Medellin, plus I had to request access, still not given. Can someone please point me in the right direction, or tell me what I'm doing wrong to get access?

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2250362]I don't see any Bogota map on the forum, only one for Medellin, plus I had to request access, still not given. Can someone please point me in the right direction, or tell me what I'm doing wrong to get access?[/QUOTE]You will find them in Bogota List and Bogota FAQ forums.

The Lists and Map Thread.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2205-Bogota-Lists[/URL]

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2250362]I don't see any Bogota map on the forum, only one for Medellin, plus I had to request access, still not given. Can someone please point me in the right direction, or tell me what I'm doing wrong to get access?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2250022]I meant the chicas hanging out in the entrances to these type of places. Are they Casas or is that something else? In general, are these places safe to go into, and are the rooms clean?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPTb953Lsyc[/URL]

Same goes for Medellin

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLib1vL08PI[/URL][/QUOTE]Actually in the Bogota video. Santa Fe is only shown up to 2:29 and the rest is a low quality area in Nieves close by.

The Santa Fe area shown is the street action (much better at night) The girls work out of the hotel they stand in front of usually. $30.000 to $60.000.

[QUOTE] Sorry to say, but it's called reading [/QUOTE]Sorry to say, but that's called sarcasm. Helps if I knew WHERE to read. Thanks to Nounce, now I do !

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2250361]A few more questions I'm afraid. What street should I look at on google maps if I want to see the centre of street action in Santa Fe? La candeleria is the city centre, right? Generally safe to wander around there? Where are the majority of clubs, in Santa Fe or elsewhere?[/QUOTE]Dude you are overthinking it. Go stay in Bogota then hop in a taxi and say Santa Fe. Get out and walk around and choose a chick to go to a room with. Hop back in a taxi and go back to where you are staying. Or if you are like me, walk back to your hotel.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2250419]Dude you are overthinking it. Go stay in Bogota then hop in a taxi and say Santa Fe. Get out and walk around and choose a chick to go to a room with. Hop back in a taxi and go back to where you are staying. Or if you are like me, walk back to your hotel.[/QUOTE]Yes, maybe you're right! I know a few more of my answers now actually after looking at the Bogota lists and FAQ's. Though it's not very helpful checking out the street scene action on Google maps, maybe they filmed on a Sunday morning or something, but didn't see many women around, compared to those I saw on the youtube videos. And too much google street trawling there, would put you off going, as there's some pretty dodgy looking streets! On the Bogota lists, the amount of Casas and Nighclubs is staggering, how the hell will I ever decide where to go?

A lot of guys would have just said RTFF.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2250417]Sorry to say, but that's called sarcasm. Helps if I knew WHERE to read. Thanks to Nounce, now I do ![/QUOTE]

Galerias.

I walked around Santa Fe at 11 pm on Friday. Plenty of girls but none I would get hard for, they may be young but I don't find them fresh or cute. And the touts outside the clubs are like flies, many and persistent, but you can wave them off. If you want the most number of girls in the shortest time for the least money, this is where to come.

My limiting factor, however, is not money or time but leches, so I prefer quality to quantity. Here you have my recommendation for the other end of the spectrum, an establishment with five-star rooms and five-star service:

Nanxing Spa, Cra 24 #53-86, ring bell 201, opposite mall Galerias, 10 chicas, massages 60 min, 90 k with girl in uniform, 120 k in underwear with handjob, 170 k full sex, Mon-sat 8 am-10 pm, sun 10 am-7 pm, [URL]www.nanxingspa.com.co[/URL] at nanxingspa, 3214851113.

The place is not new so I'm surprised it's not on the map. 170 k may seem like a lot, but I think it's good value for what you're getting. Apparently some Japanese customers like to take three girl for an hour in the hot tub. 3 x170 k = 510 k is still good value for the level of service, I guess. Put it on the expense account.

Nearby is a place I reported a while back as Akira. The correct name is Adhara. Maybe four-star to Nanxing's five.

Adhara Spa, Carrera 24 #52-68 (near mall Galerias), white door, ring bell 301.10 Chicas. Prices: from 60 k, Massage+FS, 150 k hour. Tel: +Whatsapp 322 371 2050. Hours: Monday to Saturday 9 am to 9 pm, Sunday 9 am to 6 pm, 3223712050 3194100196.

In the same area is this place, but I wouldn't give it any stars.

Atraction Spa, Carrera 21 #53-35, massage 50 k 120 k 150 k, every day 9 am-9 pm, 3125755537.

And this casa is also not on the map. Nothing special here:

Galerias casa, Calle 51 #22-48 golden door, 4 ch, 60 k 20 min, 80 k 30 min, 120 k 1 h, 130 k trio, 3138928283.

And I found this info for a place vaguely near the airport. Haven't been there.

Ram Sex Spa, Barrio Castilla Calle 9 #78-16,60 k 30 min, 80 k 60 min, 3195069322.

[QUOTE=Arcangel;2250441] I walked around Santa Fe at 11 pm on Friday. Plenty of girls but none I would get hard for, they may be young but I don't find them fresh or cute. And the touts outside the clubs are like flies, many and persistent, but you can wave them off. If you want the most number of girls in the shortest time for the least money, this is where to come.

Nanxing Spa, Cra 24 #53-86, ring bell 201, opposite mall Galerias, 10 chicas, massages 60 min, 90 k with girl in uniform, 120 k in underwear with handjob, 170 k full sex, Mon-sat 8 am-10 pm, sun 10 am-7 pm, [URL]www.nanxingspa.com.co[/URL] at nanxingspa, 3214851113 [/QUOTE]Hey Arcangel, are you talking about the streetwalkers in Santa Fe, or did you go into any of the clubs? Re. Nanxing spa, I had a look at their website. Is that the typical shape of chicas in the brothels there, because to me they all look too similar and not my type, slim with small tits! I like more curvier types, big tits not essential but welcome!

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2250456]Hey Arcangel, are you talking about the streetwalkers in Santa Fe, or did you go into any of the clubs? Re. Nanxing spa, I had a look at their website. Is that the typical shape of chicas in the brothels there, because to me they all look too similar and not my type, slim with small tits! I like more curvier types, big tits not essential but welcome![/QUOTE]I didn't go into the clubs this time but before and I didn't find the girls inside so different from the girls outside. Some walk in and out, as well. When you go inside, the tout fill follow you, sit you at a table, ask which beer you want and probably overcharge you for it.

Obviously, your taste in girls is very different from mine, and that's all right. Just come down here, go everywhere and find out what works for you. Maybe no big curvy girls at Nanxing, but brothels in general have every type. Your taste is not uncommon here. Just shop around, if you're in a place and they don't have anyone who excites you, just say a polite thank you, leave and try somewhere else. I might comment to the manageress that I am looking for a flaca (slim), if they obviously don't have one. Or I might suggest I come back another day if they say they have more girls who are not present. In Colombia, "tomorrow" can be a polite way of saying no.

[QUOTE=Arcangel;2250441]Galerias.

I walked around Santa Fe at 11 pm on Friday. Plenty of girls but none I would get hard for, they may be young but I don't find them fresh or cute. And the touts outside the clubs are like flies, many and persistent, but you can wave them off. If you want the most number of girls in the shortest time for the least money, this is where to come.

My limiting factor, however, is not money or time but leches, so I prefer quality to quantity. Here you have my recommendation for the other end of the spectrum, an establishment with five-star rooms and five-star service:

Nanxing Spa, Cra 24 #53-86, ring bell 201, opposite mall Galerias, 10 chicas, massages 60 min, 90 k with girl in uniform, 120 k in underwear with handjob, 170 k full sex, Mon-sat 8 am-10 pm, sun 10 am-7 pm, [URL]www.nanxingspa.com.co[/URL] at nanxingspa, 3214851113.

The place is not new so I'm surprised it's not on the map. 170 k may seem like a lot, but I think it's good value for what you're getting. Apparently some Japanese customers like to take three girl for an hour in the hot tub. 3 x170 k = 510 k is still good value for the level of service, I guess. Put it on the expense account.

Nearby is a place I reported a while back as Akira. The correct name is Adhara. Maybe four-star to Nanxing's five.

Adhara Spa, Carrera 24 #52-68 (near mall Galerias), white door, ring bell 301.10 Chicas. Prices: from 60 k, Massage+FS, 150 k hour. Tel: +Whatsapp 322 371 2050. Hours: Monday to Saturday 9 am to 9 pm, Sunday 9 am to 6 pm, 3223712050 3194100196.

In the same area is this place, but I wouldn't give it any stars.

Atraction Spa, Carrera 21 #53-35, massage 50 k 120 k 150 k, every day 9 am-9 pm, 3125755537.

And this casa is also not on the map. Nothing special here:

Galerias casa, Calle 51 #22-48 golden door, 4 ch, 60 k 20 min, 80 k 30 min, 120 k 1 h, 130 k trio, 3138928283.

And I found this info for a place vaguely near the airport. Haven't been there.

Ram Sex Spa, Barrio Castilla Calle 9 #78-16,60 k 30 min, 80 k 60 min, 3195069322.[/QUOTE]"And the touts outside the clubs are like flies, many and persistent, but you can wave them off. " They are worse than flies, fuck them as I had 3 and 4 surround me barking their BS stories for half a block, jajajajaja, about the worst I have experienced in my over 20 years of mongering in all parts of the el mundo.

Now saying this last month when I was in Sante Fe I found a real cutie Venezuelan about 24 year old, great smile, great attitude and a stripper body, yes a SW, I had fun and it was my first experience in Sante Fe since the last time I played in Bogota which was about 2010.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2250702]"And the touts outside the clubs are like flies, many and persistent, but you can wave them off. " They are worse than flies, fuck them as I had 3 and 4 surround me barking their BS stories for half a block, jajajajaja, about the worst I have experienced in my over 20 years of mongering in all parts of the el mundo.

Now saying this last month when I was in Sante Fe I found a real cutie Venezuelan about 24 year old, great smile, great attitude and a stripper body, yes a SW, I had fun and it was my first experience in Sante Fe since the last time I played in Bogota which was about 2010 [/QUOTE]What's the best strategy for getting rid of them, just ignore them? How do they react to being told to get lost, in Spanish of course! (No me molestes hombre, for example). Can't you just go straight to the bar in a club there, I certainly wouldn't want some guy I don't know sitting at my table, ordering me beers, I can do that myself!

Having read Routard's comprehensive report about Bogota on the FAQ's, I reckon Chapinero would be a good neighborhood to stay in, as there is daytime and nightime action there and it's not too far from Santa Fe either. The brothels / clubs seem to be all over the place there from my google map reseach, as do the hotels there. Is there any part of Chapinero where many clubs / brothels are concentrated? I can't see that from my research. As as European, I would like to be able to walk to a few, and not hop around all over the place constantly by Taxi, in the daytime at least.

I've also seen a lot of availability of nice Airbnb places in Chapinero, I noted what Routard said about them having doormen / security. What's the general policy there about bringing visitors to your place, as long as they have ID its no problem for the security? I noticed on one apartment for rent, where they stated clearly 'No escorts allowed!' But for all others I checked there was no mention about it. Wouldn't really like to ask the host before booking 'Is it OK to bring visitors', unless I have to. So what's the general policy?

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2250730]What's the best strategy for getting rid of them, just ignore them? [/QUOTE]TTM already said to wave them off. You go into the club and order drink from the bar directly so you won't be charged more.

Coupe,

Go on wikisexguide and type in Bogota. There is a map of the Santa Fe "Tolerance Zone" that is very accurate, including the safest way to walk in. I highly recommend you not walk even one block out of that area. There are a lot of shady looking characters standing on corners and walking around. Practically every building on Carrera 15 and 16 has rooms where you can do the girls standing out front. The chicas change as the day goes on- some of these work here during the day and at other more expensive places later. The clubs are mixed in, so like I said there is literally something to do in each space. You will be approached by people selling candy or trying to lure you into a club. Just say no gracias and wave them off. Make sure you have no watch or ring or anything else fancy showing. I had my prescription sunglasses on and was on Carrera 16 A and a young man crossed the street and told me he wanted to trade my sunglasses for his cheap pair. He did not understand that they were prescription. So, he grabbed my jacket and pulled out a knife with the blade still sheathed and pointed to my glasses. I got away from him and ran and he did not come after me. That was at 2 PM with others around. He never showed the blade, but that was a little scary. So, I just stay on 15 and 16 now. I have never been there after dark, but have been there morning and afternoon. It is the cheapest place in Bogota with the most variety. Every type and race of women is represented. 18 to 40's. Curvy and skinny. Tall and short. Lots of cute women but also some that look thin and slightly unhealthy. Many are Venezuelans who are desperate for money. I smile and treat them well and pay their very small fee and have never had a bad one in the room.

Stinger.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2250733]So what's the general policy?[/QUOTE]Come on man. You are asking a bunch of rudimentary questions like you have never been outside before. If someone says in general you can bring visitors then what would that matter? You may then go choose the spot assuming you can have visitors based on a general question and arbitrary answer. Would it not make more sense to work out all those kinks and details with whoever you are renting from? How to tell someone you do not need their services? Come on man. Act like you have been somewhere before. I see this thing going the way of SBT in the Medellin forum. Asked 1000 questions and got to Medellin and flopped.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2250747]Come on man. You are asking a bunch of rudimentary questions like you have never been outside before. If someone says in general you can bring visitors then what would that matter? You may then go choose the spot assuming you can have visitors based on a general question and arbitrary answer. Would it not make more sense to work out all those kinks and details with whoever you are renting from? How to tell someone you do not need their services? Come on man. Act like you have been somewhere before. I see this thing going the way of SBT in the Medellin forum. Asked 1000 questions and got to Medellin and flopped.[/QUOTE]Compared to some of the bullshit I see written on the Sosua thread which are completely off topic, I think that was a pretty clear question! Haven't I seen you on there? If you bothered to read what I wrote, I have read the whole of Routard's excellent report and the lists of Casa's / Clubs etc and have gathered all the info I could.

Doorman policies are different all over the world, how am I to know what they're like in Colombia / Bogota without asking? As I wrote, I would prefer not to ask the owner, as you may lose a nice apartment, simply for asking the question. It may be allowed, but if you ask they might think you're going to turn their place into an orgy party! Re. telling someone you don't need their services, in some countries the only way you can get rid of people hassling you is to tell them to 'Fuck off' to their face, which works as they only respect toughness. In other countries it may get you shot. Nuances of different cultures my friend. You know Bogota, I don't. So take a chill pill!

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2250763]Re. telling someone you don't need their services, in some countries the only way you can get rid of people hassling you is to tell them to 'Fuck off' to their face, which works as they only respect toughness. In other countries it may get you shot. Nuances of different cultures my friend. You know Bogota, I don't. So take a chill pill![/QUOTE]But in this case we are talking about a guy that works there. His job is to get people into the club and spending money. You would not tell any of the girls outside the door at your neighborhood club to fuck off would you?

As far as giving you the wrong price, anyone could do that. That is why I ask for a menu or ask how much something costs before I order it. I was at a cabaret in Nice, France with some friends once. They ordered drinks while I asked to see a menu. I opened the menu up and the cheapest thing in it was water at 35 euro. The drinks they ordered were 40 euro each!

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2250733]Having read Routard's comprehensive report about Bogota on the FAQ's, I reckon Chapinero would be a good neighborhood to stay in, as there is daytime and nightime action there and it's not too far from Santa Fe either. The brothels / clubs seem to be all over the place there from my google map reseach, as do the hotels there. Is there any part of Chapinero where many clubs / brothels are concentrated? I can't see that from my research. As as European, I would like to be able to walk to a few, and not hop around all over the place constantly by Taxi, in the daytime at least.

I've also seen a lot of availability of nice Airbnb places in Chapinero, I noted what Routard said about them having doormen / security. What's the general policy there about bringing visitors to your place, as long as they have ID its no problem for the security? I noticed on one apartment for rent, where they stated clearly 'No escorts allowed!' But for all others I checked there was no mention about it. Wouldn't really like to ask the host before booking 'Is it OK to bring visitors', unless I have to. So what's the general policy?[/QUOTE]Stay from northern part of Chapinero, for example Avenida Calle 85 (La Cabrera) to Usaquen. Better areas, not much difference in taxi fare. Yes, you have to be absolutely sure the building is guest friendly. If not, take a look at the love motels nearby and take her there. The best way is always to be polite, firm and upfront.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2250819]But in this case we are talking about a guy that works there. His job is to get people into the club and spending money. You would not tell any of the girls outside the door at your neighborhood club to fuck off would you?

As far as giving you the wrong price, anyone could do that. That is why I ask for a menu or ask how much something costs before I order it. I was at a cabaret in Nice, France with some friends once. They ordered drinks while I asked to see a menu. I opened the menu up and the cheapest thing in it was water at 35 euro. The drinks they ordered were 40 euro each![/QUOTE]Thank You Mr Enternational! Being rude is almost never the answer. I deal with these guys weekly.

When walking by clubs I just say ¨despues' and it's no big deal. When I go into the clubs they follow me around trying to get us to sit, we continue walking through and I say we want to look ¨queremos ver¨. You are supposed to buy a drink but sometimes we will stand there a minute or two just checking out the scene and I will slip the guy 1-2 mil. And they are happy. I have many friends in SF who help me with tables and they will alert the girls to sashay by and flirt with us. If you sit and don't want a drink you can give the waiter 1-2 mil and that should buy you enough time to know if you want to stay.

Poker Beers cost $5-$8 mil same as water in most of the clubs. Coronas or RedBull More. Ask your waiter.

[QUOTE=Questner;2250835]Stay from northern part of Chapinero, for example Avenida Calle 85 (La Cabrera) to Usaquen. Better areas, not much difference in taxi fare [/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice, looks like a nice area!

[QUOTE=Stinger;2250744]Coupe,

Go on wikisexguide and type in Bogota. There is a map of the Santa Fe "Tolerance Zone" that is very accurate, including the safest way to walk in. I highly recommend you not walk even one block out of that area. There are a lot of shady looking characters standing on corners and walking around. Practically every building on Carrera 15 and 16 has rooms where you can do the girls standing out front. The chicas change as the day goes on- some of these work here during the day and at other more expensive places later. The clubs are mixed in, so like I said there is literally something to do in each space. You will be approached by people selling candy or trying to lure you into a club. Just say no gracias and wave them off. Make sure you have no watch or ring or anything else fancy showing. I had my prescription sunglasses on and was on Carrera 16 A and a young man crossed the street and told me he wanted to trade my sunglasses for his cheap pair. He did not understand that they were prescription. So, he grabbed my jacket and pulled out a knife with the blade still sheathed and pointed to my glasses. I got away from him and ran and he did not come after me. That was at 2 PM with others around. He never showed the blade, but that was a little scary. So, I just stay on 15 and 16 now. I have never been there after dark, but have been there morning and afternoon. It is the cheapest place in Bogota with the most variety. Every type and race of women is represented. 18 to 40's. Curvy and skinny. Tall and short. Lots of cute women but also some that look thin and slightly unhealthy. Many are Venezuelans who are desperate for money. I smile and treat them well and pay their very small fee and have never had a bad one in the room. Stinger.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice, the information on wikisex is also pretty useful. The info on the streets where the action is seems to be all over the place though, they contradict what's written on the lists here, but anyway.

Glad you got away from that guy OK who tried to mug you for your shades! How were you were looking, dressed down enough on the day? And what's the dress code to go to these clubs at night, surely a bit smarter? Is it safe to just jump in any taxi when leaving a club there at night, by nature I would be a bit dubious to do that.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2250875]When walking by clubs I just say despues' and it's no big deal. When I go into the clubs they follow me around trying to get us to sit, we continue walking through and I say we want to look queremos ver. You are supposed to buy a drink but sometimes we will stand there a minute or two just checking out the scene and I will slip the guy 1-2 mil. And they are happy.[/QUOTE]Besides, it is free to go in. As much as I hate the back home comparison, back home it costs $20 just to park your car at some strip clubs, so the least you could do is buy a cheap drink when you are getting in free. Last month when I was in California I bought a Coke for 5 K and just sat there until I decided which girl I wanted to take (or if I wanted to take one at all).

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2250763]Compared to some of the bullshit I see written on the Sosua thread which are completely off topic, I think that was a pretty clear question! Haven't I seen you on there? If you bothered to read what I wrote, I have read the whole of Routard's excellent report and the lists of Casa's / Clubs etc and have gathered all the info I could.

Doorman policies are different all over the world, how am I to know what they're like in Colombia / Bogota without asking? As I wrote, I would prefer not to ask the owner, as you may lose a nice apartment, simply for asking the question. It may be allowed, but if you ask they might think you're going to turn their place into an orgy party! Re. telling someone you don't need their services, in some countries the only way you can get rid of people hassling you is to tell them to 'Fuck off' to their face, which works as they only respect toughness. In other countries it may get you shot. Nuances of different cultures my friend. You know Bogota, I don't. So take a chill pill![/QUOTE]Which would you prefer? Don't ask about bringing visitors back to your apartment and then have them turned away at the door, or asking if a place allows visitors and finding out what the limitations are? If the host refuses to rent to you because you asked a very common question, then it's ridiculous to think the place is going to be cool with you bringing in 3 girls every day.

If you don't ask, don't complain when your plans fall through.

As for getting rid of people, I use 2 words: "no. Gracias. " If they persist, I repeat and wave them off. If the third time doesn't work I might add "no entiendes la palabra no?

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2242788]I went to SF tonight for a little fun, On the 23rd st sidewalk there were 60 girls all lined up. There were at least 100 girls on the block at least half I would want to get with.

I met a pretty 19 yo Venezolano white girl with dark brown hair, Banged her hard. She was a nice petite girl. Looked like a teen cover model. Will repeat one day soon.

On Sunday afternoon I was on a tour and we were walking SF it was pretty slow on the street, a few nice girls. We went to the club row and walked into a Bahia. It was like a party going on. A bunch of hot girls partying with a few guys. I started dirty dancing with this pretty 20 yr old morena with big natural double the-cups. Ended up upstairs with her. Will repeat one day soon.[/QUOTE]That sounds great! Very nice stories. I'm flying in on 11/24. Paid the fee to ISG just so I could PM you but it hasn't gone through for the last 10 days because I had to mail it from USA. [blue][Personal message deleted by Admin][/blue]

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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2251520] then it's ridiculous to think the place is going to be cool with you bringing in 3 girls every day [/QUOTE]3 girls a day? LOL! In my dreams! Couldn't manage it even if I could afford it! 1 every 2 days is about all I can handle these days! Just you wait, the years will catch up with you too !

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2250875]Poker Beers cost $5-$8 mil same as water in most of the clubs. Coronas or RedBull More. Ask your waiter.[/QUOTE]Tourist should not ask the waiters. At Santa Fe, majority of the waiters will rip off the tourist. They will usually overcharge you by 1 or 2 mi. I always tip them if they don't overcharge me. But it's hard to find an honest waiter, so now I just go to the bartenders. The bartender at the Trop is very happy when I give him 1 mil on my 7 mil Club Colombia. The worst rip off was at California. That fucker tried to charge me 15 mil for a Club Colombia.

Do locals tip the waiters? I have never seen locals tip for beers in Santa Fe or at Pussy House.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2252034]3 girls a day? LOL! In my dreams! Couldn't manage it even if I could afford it! 1 every 2 days is about all I can handle these days! Just you wait, the years will catch up with you too ![/QUOTE]The years already caught up me. I'm definitely not a 3 a day guy. But there are plenty of guys who show up with that plan and then can't figure out why an Airbnb would have a problem with it.

Coupe,

I was in jeans, dark tennis shoes, dark pullover windbreaker. No jewelry, and my shades had a dark blue frame. The problem is I am a gringo and I stick out. I have white skin and grey hair. Almost everyone on the street has darker skin and dark hair. After I did one young Venezuelan who looked to have recently arrived, she found out I was from the US. "You're a gringo!" she said in a shocked manner in Spanish. She must have been told by Maduro that I was the devil. But I treated her well and tipped her. Some of them appear to be in survival mode. Santa Fe is a fascinating place, but just keep your eyes open. Like I said, I have never been there at night. There appears to be no dress code for anything in the daytime. It is mostly a dirty rundown area.

Stinger.

Police surrounded SF tonight Closed the streets and shut down all clubs accept Fiebre, just a few girls on the street. I was told they detained 140 girls and are deporting them.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2252535]Police surrounded SF tonight Closed the streets and shut down all clubs accept Fiebre, just a few girls on the street. I was told they detained 140 girls and are deporting them.[/QUOTE]That's unfortunate. Hopefully it's a one off and there'll be another 150 on their way.

Does it happen often? What is the real reason?

[QUOTE=KangarooTed;2252874]That's unfortunate. Hopefully it's a one off and there'll be another 150 on their way.

Does it happen often? What is the real reason?[/QUOTE]Hey Now,

Never saw anything like this before. Real reason I believe is to exert control over the Venezuelan illegals. They say in a lot of the reports that they had rounded up criminals too.

Targeting [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] prostitution, pimping, and drugs.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MP82IHRugc[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Woodman09;2252535]Police surrounded SF tonight Closed the streets and shut down all clubs accept Fiebre, just a few girls on the street. I was told they detained 140 girls and are deporting them.[/QUOTE]Woodman, say it an't so!

Wow this is bad and sad news, what is going on?

The Tall Man.

This report is a little late. I arrived in Bogota at midnight on 11/22. Stayed near the airport. Dropped off bags and headed to Sante Fe. Alot of women on the street and the club. Mostly Venezuelan. More women than men. Heaven on Earth. A bunch of hotness and in the club. I hit up Atunes, Troya, Paisa, and Fiebre. Session with two big butt Venezuelans in Atunes for 40 k each. Troya had a midget stripper for about an hour. First time I seen that. Went over to Paisa. Hotness thoroughout. Decided to see what Fiebre looked like but got stopped by 21 year old green eyed big butt beauty. Decided on 60 k for 30 minutes. Stayed up there with here for an hour LOL. She told me that she just got here last week. Was hesitant giving me photos but finally pulled through. We exchanged numbers and I went over to Fiebre. Metal a. Gorgeous big titty 20 year old. Talked for a few minutes. She wanted 70 k but I hadn't recouped from previous sessions. Told her later but she disappear. Sat back enjoyed the scenary and post up for the night.

Went tonight, really Hot SG action (Venezolanas). Also some clubs with hot girls. Some clubs / hotels are closed because of liquor or other violations. I have read this is only temporary.

Apparently the raid picked up a lot of Venezuelan gang members and so it should be safer. Have Fun!

Arrived in Bogota yesterday. I came to Bogota to check out Santa Fe. Got settled at the hotel and had an Uber take me to Santa Fe around 1:00 AM. Police were everywhere. Not very many girls but they were there. Taxi driver repeated that it was dangerous. Taxi driver pulled up next to the police. The police told me that the area was not for someone like me. I'm white w / blue eyes & limited Spanish.

I've been to Tijuana, Pattaya, Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Medellin etc. I've walked Pattaya beach road and Tijuana late at night and easily handled any problems but this seemed a bit different.

Any way to save this trip? Should I just give up and book to Medellin for a few days?

Old Sala de massage calle 57#9-35 seems this this place is change name to Rosquvillas and interior inside. Yesterday around 7. 30 pm I walk in. Its looks like a strip bar have tables for sitting, selling drinks, have dance pole, some girls was dancing. They show me 8-9 girls 2 of them was beautiful. I take 19 years old venezuelian girl her name carollina she was fine at bed but want extra for BBBJ also to take her bra off (it makes me laugh). The rooms is fine here also nothing special but clean. I pay 50 mil for 30 minutes and they said 1 hour is 100 mil. I was sure I get overcharged so next day I text them on whatsapp and find out real prices: 20 min-25 mil 30 min-35 mil 1 hour-70 mil. Also they send me cctv cameras pic from club on whatsapp. After sex I went to the bar order beer is reasonable price also corona was 8 mil I think. I bought the drink for the same girl I fucked before and we have some laugh. She give me her whatsapp, facebook, allowed touch her boobs and ass she show me much better attitude than at bed. This place is open everyday from 9 am till 3 am. I will add their business card. I defenitely recommended this place. I have few more beers here and was waiting other ISG member puntingGeorge he arrived we sit little bit more and went to santa fe after.

Arrived with PuntingGeorge around 9 Pm last night its was girls on the streets but not so great choice also many clubs was closed, like paisas, troya, California, venus. La cosona, fiebre, atunes was open and packed. We was hitting clubs and streets around I saw one cute face colombian street girl she want 30 mil for 20 minutes + 6 mil for room. I take her at short time motel but when she take off her clothes her body was looking bad damage from baby and hanging tits. Its kills my mood. I fucked her for a while but could cum. The waiters on the street next to the clubs was so annoying this time they following us everywhere almost try to push to the clubs when we walk inside they don't want we order beer next to the bar and interfere between bartender and us we tell just fuck off we can order drinks by ourself. Its happens before also from my previous visits, but this time was really bad and annoying. Later I take other girl at atunes club for 30 minutes 60 mil it was venezualian 19 years old with cute face she was good at bed and I manage to cum at time. After few minutes I heard knock at the door my time is finish. I take girls whatsapp and ask how much she want for all night she said 250 mil I offered 200 mil and she quickly agree. I told her we can meet next day. We spend 3 hours in total walking at clubs and streets it was poor selection compare with my previous visits. 12 am I take uber and comebck my hotel.

[QUOTE=SilverStackr1;2253468]Arrived in Bogota yesterday. I came to Bogota to check out Santa Fe. Got settled at the hotel and had an Uber take me to Santa Fe around 1:00 AM. Police were everywhere. Not very many girls but they were there. Taxi driver repeated that it was dangerous. Taxi driver pulled up next to the police. The police told me that the area was not for someone like me. I'm white w / blue eyes & limited Spanish.

I've been to Tijuana, Pattaya, Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Medellin etc. I've walked Pattaya beach road and Tijuana late at night and easily handled any problems but this seemed a bit different.

Any way to save this trip? Should I just give up and book to Medellin for a few days?[/QUOTE]Santa Fe is just 10% of Bogota's mongering scene, the most famous but IMHO not the best one. Just check my FAQ [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3865-Bogota-FAQ&p=2241562&viewfull=1#post2241562 [/URL] plenty of other options.

[QUOTE=Arcangel;2250441]Galerias.

I walked around Santa Fe at 11 pm on Friday. Plenty of girls but none I would get hard for, they may be young but I don't find them fresh or cute. And the touts outside the clubs are like flies, many and persistent, but you can wave them off. If you want the most number of girls in the shortest time for the least money, this is where to come.

My limiting factor, however, is not money or time but leches, so I prefer quality to quantity. Here you have my recommendation for the other end of the spectrum, an establishment with five-star rooms and five-star service:

Nanxing Spa, Cra 24 #53-86, ring bell 201, opposite mall Galerias, 10 chicas, massages 60 min, 90 k with girl in uniform, 120 k in underwear with handjob, 170 k full sex, Mon-sat 8 am-10 pm, sun 10 am-7 pm, [URL]www.nanxingspa.com.co[/URL] at nanxingspa, 3214851113.

The place is not new so I'm surprised it's not on the map. 170 k may seem like a lot, but I think it's good value for what you're getting. Apparently some Japanese customers like to take three girl for an hour in the hot tub. 3 x170 k = 510 k is still good value for the level of service, I guess. Put it on the expense account.

Nearby is a place I reported a while back as Akira. The correct name is Adhara. Maybe four-star to Nanxing's five.

Adhara Spa, Carrera 24 #52-68 (near mall Galerias), white door, ring bell 301.10 Chicas. Prices: from 60 k, Massage+FS, 150 k hour. Tel: +Whatsapp 322 371 2050. Hours: Monday to Saturday 9 am to 9 pm, Sunday 9 am to 6 pm, 3223712050 3194100196.

In the same area is this place, but I wouldn't give it any stars.

Atraction Spa, Carrera 21 #53-35, massage 50 k 120 k 150 k, every day 9 am-9 pm, 3125755537.

And this casa is also not on the map. Nothing special here:

Galerias casa, Calle 51 #22-48 golden door, 4 ch, 60 k 20 min, 80 k 30 min, 120 k 1 h, 130 k trio, 3138928283.

And I found this info for a place vaguely near the airport. Haven't been there.

Ram Sex Spa, Barrio Castilla Calle 9 #78-16,60 k 30 min, 80 k 60 min, 3195069322.[/QUOTE]Excellent report! Great when explorers report undiscovered place. Nanxing Spa especially is a hidden gem. How did you find this place?

[QUOTE=SilverStackr1;2253468]Arrived in Bogota yesterday. I came to Bogota to check out Santa Fe. Got settled at the hotel and had an Uber take me to Santa Fe around 1:00 AM. Police were everywhere. Not very many girls but they were there. Taxi driver repeated that it was dangerous. Taxi driver pulled up next to the police. The police told me that the area was not for someone like me. I'm white w / blue eyes & limited Spanish.

I've been to Tijuana, Pattaya, Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Medellin etc. I've walked Pattaya beach road and Tijuana late at night and easily handled any problems but this seemed a bit different.

Any way to save this trip? Should I just give up and book to Medellin for a few days?[/QUOTE]Plenty of white guys (Colombian and gringos) enjoy Santa Fe. You should not have let them scare you. But next time go earlier prime time is 8 pm to 1 a.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2253291]Woodman, say it an't so!

Wow this is bad and sad news, what is going on?

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]The police are deporting girls, according to the report. That should be self-explanatory. Police routinely do that all around the world, in Germany and SE Asia, as well. Foreigners are generally excluded from legal or tolerated prostitution activities in many places. I wouldn't be surprised if the local girls were complaining to the police about the unwanted competition.

[QUOTE=SilverStackr1;2253468]Arrived in Bogota yesterday. I came to Bogota to check out Santa Fe. Got settled at the hotel and had an Uber take me to Santa Fe around 1:00 AM. Police were everywhere. Not very many girls but they were there. Taxi driver repeated that it was dangerous. Taxi driver pulled up next to the police. The police told me that the area was not for someone like me. I'm white w / blue eyes & limited Spanish.

I've been to Tijuana, Pattaya, Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Medellin etc. I've walked Pattaya beach road and Tijuana late at night and easily handled any problems but this seemed a bit different.

Any way to save this trip? Should I just give up and book to Medellin for a few days?[/QUOTE]If I was you I would fly to Medellin ASAP, I can show you around if you want. Colombian 31 year old guy willing to show you the scene here.

[QUOTE=Routard;2253657]Excellent report! Great when explorers report undiscovered place. Nanxing Spa especially is a hidden gem. How did you find this place?[/QUOTE]Co. [URL]mileroticos.com[/URL].

Most casas, spas, massage places in Colombia advertise there.

Independents, too, but they are hit and miss. I've had some excellent and some awful experience with independents. Girls who get thrown out of casas for bad behaviour work as independents, and cool diamonds do, too. I never do "a domicilio", I always go to her place. , then I can leave quickly if I get a bad feeling about her. Also, I have more control over time, not having to wait for her to show up. Saves money, too, domicilio costs more and I pay for taxis either way. And finally, she cannot rob me and disappear, I could in theory take the police to her place.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2252535]Police surrounded SF tonight Closed the streets and shut down all clubs accept Fiebre, just a few girls on the street. I was told they detained 140 girls and are deporting them.[/QUOTE]International news media reports, no doubt based on a press release by Bogota authorities, that 40 venezuelan girls were rescued from sexual slavery and that 144 people were detained "to help with inquiries".

[URL]https://www.9news.com.au/2018/11/23/10/54/dozens-rescued-from-sexual-slavery-ring[/URL]

I went to SantaFe that night with SunnyBoyPerth. I enjoyed the peace and quiet and felt safe because of all the police. But not much to do, so we went to Chapinero and had a fun time at Divas Club Calle 61 #13-79. Much better vibe than in SantaFe clubs.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2250730]What's the best strategy for getting rid of them, just ignore them? How do they react to being told to get lost, in Spanish of course! (No me molestes hombre, for example). Can't you just go straight to the bar in a club there, I certainly wouldn't want some guy I don't know sitting at my table, ordering me beers, I can do that myself![/QUOTE]In my travels in Mexico (which I understand is way different from Colombia) I learned a hand sign that probably is universal in Latin America. Simply walk away and avoid eye contact while waggling your index finger back and forth, pointed up. This was very effective for me when I learned it. Anyone seen it used anywhere else in Latin America?

Pretty much a sign to leave you alone because you won't even consider what is being offered. May work with polite or normal hawkers, maybe totally ignored by the persistently obnoxious touts you described in your post. Worth a try.

Tool Shedd.

[QUOTE=SilverStackr1;2253468]Any way to save this trip? Should I just give up and book to Medellin for a few days?[/QUOTE]Ummm. There are still three other red light districts in Bogota. Santa Fe is the only place with a lot of girls out on the streets. The other three areas are known for clubs and "casas" and are a bit more low key.

Try reading the Bogota FAQ thread and see Routard's recent update from Oct 28. Look at World Travel 69's maps under the Bogota Lists thread. Unless there are also under pressure by the police, then you still have more pussy than you could shake a stick at in a year. No need to catch a plane to anywhere.

Visited many places today with PuntingGeorge seems this one wasnt on map Sirenita Calle 67 #15-42 they open 7 days per week it has bar inside and not so bad looking place we visited it on Sunday so they have 3 girls. I take one black venezualian girl she have great attitude and fucks well 30 min-32 mil they advertising price on the wall. Room also was fine. I ask girl how many girls they have on weekdays she told me 10-15 sometimes. I will add business card of this place also price list.

Visited santa fe with other ISG member between 2 pm and 4 pm it was much better with street girls action when yesterday night. I saw at least 10 beautiful girls I would like to fu. Ck. Take 2 beautiful venezualians one 20 years old 35 mil-20 min in total and other 22 years old 40 mil-30 min (I was suprised its was just 40 mil in total for 30 min) both girls was great allowed some photos, shared facebooks and whatsapps. Many clubs was closed like yesterday but some open, this time we was more concentrate on street girls action than clubs. Have a great time much better than last night.

Visited this place at 10.30 pm it was Sunday so every massage place have just 2-3 average looking girls. Most of massage places asking 80 mil-30 min and 100 mil-1 hour. The last massage shop I think it was number 14 have 4 girls they was with average look. I pay 100 mil for 1 hour. The girl was colombiana from Cali she done some massage and we fu, cked till I cum after done some massage again. The room is small here just with massage table but have fan and its clean. Will add pic of the room and price list from some massage shop at mezzanine.

24 hours at Bogota was well spend with 7 diffrent chicas.have a great time!!

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2253759]Visited santa fe with other ISG member between 2 pm and 4 pm it was much better with street girls action when yesterday night. I saw at least 10 beautiful girls I would like to fu. Ck. Take 2 beautiful venezualians one 20 years old 35 mil-20 min in total and other 22 years old 40 mil-30 min (I was suprised its was just 40 mil in total for 30 min) both girls was great allowed some photos, shared facebooks and whatsapps. Many clubs was closed like yesterday but some open, this time we was more concentrate on street girls action than clubs. Have a great time much better than last night.[/QUOTE]Does it look like La Habana Vieja?

[QUOTE=TyDown;2253803]Does it look like La Habana Vieja?[/QUOTE]
Much better🙂

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2253733]Ummm. There are still three other red light districts in Bogota. Santa Fe is the only place with a lot of girls out on the streets. The other three areas are known for clubs and "casas" and are a bit more low key.

Try reading the Bogota FAQ thread and see Routard's recent update from Oct 28. Look at World Travel 69's maps under the Bogota Lists thread. Unless there are also under pressure by the police, then you still have more pussy than you could shake a stick at in a year. No need to catch a plane to anywhere.[/QUOTE]I did read up on Routard's update and have World travel 69's maps on my phone now. Vacation saved with just a bit more research. I had focused totally on Santa Fe before my visit.

It was my first time here and at least to me this looked bad. You are all correct. There is plenty of action to be had within a $2-5 $ uber / taxi trip anywhere in the city.

[QUOTE=Routard;2253647]Santa Fe is just 10% of Bogota's mongering scene, the most famous but IMHO not the best one. Just check my FAQ [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3865-Bogota-FAQ&p=2241562&viewfull=1#post2241562 [/URL] plenty of other options.[/QUOTE]Thank you. Great Report. Vacation saved. I had only focused on Santa Fe before my trip. Thanks to your report I have begun discovering a lot of other options.

[QUOTE=Arcangel;2249636]I was there (Calle 71 #14 A-24) just now. Both places are closed. A guy on the street told me that police shut down Chicas Milenio because they put up signs outside. It's only allowed as long as it's discrete. He said Chicas 2000 should be open again on Monday.

And he gave me a paper with an address and said the girls are there. Calle 67 #23-24 piso 3. This place is not on the map yet.[/QUOTE]Is this place open now or closed for good?

[QUOTE=SXLover;2255075]Is this place open now or closed for good?[/QUOTE]I went to the address on the map and a guy was there waiting. He asked if I was looking for Chicas Millenial. We walked me to midpoint on Carrera 17 in between Calle 71 and Calle 70 a. On google maps there is Rua bakery and a Toy store very close. There was a guy standing outside.

This was a new place on the list and appeared to have a great selection of girls so I stopped by Monday evening.

The place is clean and all the available chicas introduce themselves and they were as listed on their website.

There were 2 girls I liked and had a session with one of them. They girl spoke basic English and was able to communicate without a translator app.

I checked out 2 rooms and they both had humidifier with essential oil running which was pleasant.

After selecting a girl, she will explain the pricing and tell you about the type of massage that she can offer. Well don't bother. It was a light rub and wouldn't even consider it massage.

The session was just OK. I won't be returning to this one.

You might want to see this, before you go.

[URL]https://www.netflix.com/title/80133153[/URL]

Went. At like 11 PM on Monday there were 4 girls only, the place looked pretty dead. I chose one and paid 50 k for 20 minutes.

She took me to like literally the smallest room I've ever seen. There was a literally blood or shit-stained bed there and absolutely no place to put your clothes except the dirty floor. I noticed a half-used packet of coke on the floor. I decided to go with the flow and use the half of the bed that wasn't stained by biohazards. I'm starting to think I will in a garbage can if I have to. The girl seem kind of out of it. Maybe high, maybe shy, maybe both. She didn't seem to know what she was doing. Like she gave me the condom to put it on myself. That's not how you do it.

Then she refused to give me a BJ. I asked her why and she just kept refusing. So whatever, I put her on the bed and I fucked her while I was standing.

Overall, nasty ass place, and the dude in charge of the room had the balls to ask me for propina before I even entered the room. Wow. Couldn't wait to get the fuck out of there.

Pussy House is just a bit of a ripoff (they try to fuck you on the drinks) but it's 1000 x times better.

Avoid.

Probably my favorite place in Bogota. It's pretty low key. No strip show. You come in, they put you into a room. And then they show you the girls available. Once you pick the girl she will sit with you. Drink prices are OK. Like 4 K for Poker beer. 50 K for half a bottle of rum. Girls are not supermodels but are pretty and most have good attitudes and seem like easygoing, good people.

The girl who runs it is OK. Good person but she does apply a ton of pressure on you to keep drinking. Like dropping in pretty often to ask you to drink something more. So you got to be able to deal with that.

40 K for 20 minutes. The rooms are fairly clean and spacious.

I went to have a Street burrito in SF last night, there is a Mexican style Taco / Burrito stand in SF. You will see it right across from Troya, It is Awesome run by Venezolanos Double meat $12000 ($4) on the way out I got a little excited by all the Hottness in the street. I only had $27000 and talked a Cute 23 yo Jewish looking Venezuelan into a quick session. You too can get good pussy in SF for $9!

[QUOTE=LandedFlush;2257367]Probably my favorite place in Bogota. It's pretty low key. No strip show. You come in, they put you into a room. And then they show you the girls available. Once you pick the girl she will sit with you. Drink prices are OK. Like 4 K for Poker beer. 50 K for half a bottle of rum. Girls are not supermodels but are pretty and most have good attitudes and seem like easygoing, good people.

The girl who runs it is OK. Good person but she does apply a ton of pressure on you to keep drinking. Like dropping in pretty often to ask you to drink something more. So you got to be able to deal with that.

40 K for 20 minutes. The rooms are fairly clean and spacious.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this tip. Any more info on how to find and identify this place? Best hours? Any other contact info?

Thanks in advance mate. Will report back if I can locate it.

MjT.

[QUOTE=LandedFlush;2257363]Went. At like 11 PM on Monday there were 4 girls only, the place looked pretty dead. I chose one and paid 50 k for 20 minutes.

She took me to like literally the smallest room I've ever seen. There was a literally blood or shit-stained bed there and absolutely no place to put your clothes except the dirty floor. I noticed a half-used packet of coke on the floor. I decided to go with the flow and use the half of the bed that wasn't stained by biohazards. I'm starting to think I will in a garbage can if I have to. The girl seem kind of out of it. Maybe high, maybe shy, maybe both. She didn't seem to know what she was doing. Like she gave me the condom to put it on myself. That's not how you do it.

Then she refused to give me a BJ. I asked her why and she just kept refusing. So whatever, I put her on the bed and I fucked her while I was standing.

Overall, nasty ass place, and the dude in charge of the room had the balls to ask me for propina before I even entered the room. Wow. Couldn't wait to get the fuck out of there.

Pussy House is just a bit of a ripoff (they try to fuck you on the drinks) but it's 1000 x times better.

Avoid.[/QUOTE]No BJ is a huge bummer and worth aborting the session. Nevertheless, when in an unsanitary room my modus operandi is to just pull my pants down and have the girl on her knees blow me. Then she gets on the bed and I screw her while standing with my pants around my knees. I allow her to assume different positions while on the bed.

[QUOTE=MjTravelLove;2257768]Thanks for this tip. Any more info on how to find and identify this place? Best hours? Any other contact info?

Thanks in advance mate. Will report back if I can locate it.

MjT.[/QUOTE]Not sure I understand the question. I put the address and the name in the title of my post: Salome Calle 64 #13-88 Not hard to find. Any taxi / Uber will find it.

Best hours are Th / Fri / Sat nights of course. The place closes at 3 AM usually.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2257873]No BJ is a huge bummer and worth aborting the session. Nevertheless, when in an unsanitary room my modus operandi is to just pull my pants down and have the girl on her knees blow me. Then she gets on the bed and I screw her while standing with my pants around my knees. I allow her to assume different positions while on the bed.[/QUOTE]But I already paid. Would you just walk out and fuck the money or you'd ask for a refund?

[b]Salome[/b]
Calle 64 # 13-88. 10 Chicas. Prices: 40k 20 min., 50k 30 min., 60k hour. Tel: ________. Hours: Monday to Saturday 1 pm to 3 am.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1mIZMErk8w3Us_tnZ-lVs6h6kgvA&ll=4.65096977609279%2C-74.08243614865916&z=15[/URL]

[QUOTE=MjTravelLove;2257768]Thanks for this tip. Any more info on how to find and identify this place? Best hours? Any other contact info?

Thanks in advance mate. Will report back if I can locate it.

MjT.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LandedFlush;2257909]But I already paid. Would you just walk out and fuck the money or you'd ask for a refund?[/QUOTE]Paying after improves your chances of getting BJ. If you pay first and she refuses then you beg pretty please or pout and make the most of a bad situation.

[QUOTE=Arcangel;2249636]I was there (Calle 71 #14 A-24) just now. Both places are closed. A guy on the street told me that police shut down Chicas Milenio because they put up signs outside. It's only allowed as long as it's discrete. He said Chicas 2000 should be open again on Monday.

And he gave me a paper with an address and said the girls are there. Calle 67 #23-24 piso 3. This place is not on the map yet.[/QUOTE]I walked by three weeks ago, looking for Chicas Milenio. Across the street a guy told me that the place had closed and the police were harassing them. He told me to get in his car to go for some chicas around the way. I immediately refused and walked away as fast as I could. I thought he was lying and was being set up for robbery. A few days later I came back, and there was a guy out in front passing out flyers. He also reported that the Milenio had closed and there was a new location (same address as above). It turns out that the first 'get in the car guy' was legit. (Still I won't get in a car with unknown in that way.) So, I did go to the new place. About 6 girls lined up. A few very doable. Picked one, a girl who had just started. She was a bit shy, but warmed up in the end. Room was large, but dirty. Overall, decent. I don't know if Milenio has re-opened.

Recently heard about the raids wondering what Santa Fe is currently like and if anyone can share some input on what it will be like around the holidays or if most will be closed? I loved paisas and la fiebre I was in heaven. Strip clubs open New Years?

[QUOTE=PennyPincher;2259641]I walked by three weeks ago, looking for Chicas Milenio. Across the street a guy told me that the place had closed and the police were harassing them. He told me to get in his car to go for some chicas around the way. I immediately refused and walked away as fast as I could. I thought he was lying and was being set up for robbery. A few days later I came back, and there was a guy out in front passing out flyers. He also reported that the Milenio had closed and there was a new location (same address as above). It turns out that the first 'get in the car guy' was legit. (Still I won't get in a car with unknown in that way.) So, I did go to the new place. About 6 girls lined up. A few very doable. Picked one, a girl who had just started. She was a bit shy, but warmed up in the end. Room was large, but dirty. Overall, decent. I don't know if Milenio has re-opened.[/QUOTE]Just to correct, the place the guy directed to me was not on CL 67, but just a few blocks west of Milenio, right along CL 71th, but made a left on a north-south street. It must have been very close to Tantra Spa 72, Cra 20 a #72-30 (but it was not Tantra Spa).

[QUOTE=ArmnHammer69;2259705]Recently heard about the raids wondering what Santa Fe is currently like and if anyone can share some input on what it will be like around the holidays or if most will be closed? I loved paisas and la fiebre I was in heaven. Strip clubs open New Years?[/QUOTE]Santa Fe is Better since raid, they just rounded up the gang element. All of the clubs are opened.

Things should be good during some days of your dates. There are many Venezuelans living there so they will be around. Not sure about New Years.

It looks like a new place the area:

Carrera 10 a # 67-49. __ Masajitas. Prices: _ Tel: +57 (1) 541 09 93, +57 3057100279. Hours: Monday to Friday 6:00 am to 8:00 pm. , Saturday 8:00 am to 2:00 pm. [URL]https://dollhousespa.com.co/[/URL].

Carrera 17 at Calle 71 bis. There should be a guy standing in front of the place. __ Chicas. Prices: _ Tel: _ Hours: _ Please fill in the blanks.

[QUOTE=PennyPincher;2259998]Just to correct, the place the guy directed to me was not on CL 67, but just a few blocks west of Milenio, right along CL 71th, but made a left on a north-south street. It must have been very close to Tantra Spa 72, Cra 20 a #72-30 (but it was not Tantra Spa).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2260259]Carrera 17 at Calle 71 bis. There should be a guy standing in front of the place. __ Chicas. Prices: _ Tel: _ Hours: _ Please fill in the blanks.[/QUOTE]After consulting the Chapinero map, the place was Ron con Piernas, Carrera 17 # 70 a-68. I remember asking the girl what the name of that place was, she said a name that sounded weird, which turns out to be Ron Con Piernas.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=4.657151929827792%2C-74.06477029786492&hl=en&z=17&mid=1mIZMErk8w3Us_tnZ-lVs6h6kgvA[/URL]

[QUOTE=PennyPincher;2259641]I walked by three weeks ago, looking for Chicas Milenio. Across the street a guy told me that the place had closed and the police were harassing them. He told me to get in his car to go for some chicas around the way. I immediately refused and walked away as fast as I could. I thought he was lying and was being set up for robbery. A few days later I came back, and there was a guy out in front passing out flyers. He also reported that the Milenio had closed and there was a new location (same address as above). It turns out that the first 'get in the car guy' was legit. (Still I won't get in a car with unknown in that way.) So, I did go to the new place. About 6 girls lined up. A few very doable. Picked one, a girl who had just started. She was a bit shy, but warmed up in the end. Room was large, but dirty. Overall, decent. I don't know if Milenio has re-opened.[/QUOTE]Directly across the street from Chicas Milenio is Chicas 2000, a different operation run by a nice guy named William, who is always standing out front. I visited the place twice and he will always greet you when you walk by. Now, I doubt William would take a customer to a different brothel, so I wondering exactly where this person was standing. I have to wonder if William's operation was shut down, as well.

I visited both those places over Labor Day weekend, and I reported on both, with a less favorable review of Chicas Milenio. Perhaps there was some karma going around.

11 pm 12-13-18 Just got back from SF had a little snack, some street meat and don't mean I sessioned LOL!

But I wanted to. It was slow traffic wise but there were at least 30 SGs there that I would love Bone down on and I think most guys would too. I might wander back down later.

I have made a decision that this hotness must be documented. I must go to the next level. I will buy a good spy watch next month and will produce some videos for this period in history.

[QUOTE=Cuervo28;2260701]So I read Routard's post in his FAQ thread from 10/28. My thanks to him as the info was great. Wish I had more time in Bogota this trip!

I travel a lot for work (white boy from the states) and Bogota is a new destination for me, as is Colombia. I've mongered a ton all over the USA, once in San Jose Costa Rica, once in Santo Domingo the. Are. , and some in Europe, all on business trips. Decided it was time to register an account here. When I travel for work, I don't have a ton of free time, nor do I get to pick the hotel location, etc. Long story short, my window of opportunity this trip was very narrow, but I will probably be back soon, hopefully with more time.

This trip though, by the time I was free of work it was Tuesday night at 730 pm. I had to catch an early flight home, so I wanted to stay near my hotel on Calle 100 near Carrera 7. Using Routard's map that meant I had just missed the cluster of Spas he recommended as most close by 8 pm. Same went for Absolut Spa which was very close. So that left Loutron which was open till 10 pm and was only a 5 minute walk from the hotel. I realized from Routard's notes this was one of the overpriced options in Bogota, as it was a massage parlor, and apparently the most upscale one as well. But I didn't want to leave town without action, and overpriced action here is still cheap compared to the States. Still as a seasoned monger I hate overpaying. However, as a gringo who doesn't speak Spanish I knew the deck was stacked against me..[/QUOTE]Well, you should have put your report here, instead of the Bogota Lists thread.

No need to flame you. You spent your money and enjoyed yourself. You took what was available and made the best of it. One thing I would recommend. Take out more money than you need. If I'm expecting to spend 300 k, I'll get 500 k. It gives you options. It also saves you if an unplanned expense pops up. If you have money left over give it to niece's or nephews for a souvenir, or spend it at the airport. Or just put it in your suitcase for your next trip to Colombia.

Where's some good places to stay? Is air bnb okay.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2261470]Well, you should have put your report here, instead of the Bogota Lists thread.

No need to flame you. You spent your money and enjoyed yourself. You took what was available and made the best of it. One thing I would recommend. Take out more money than you need. If I'm expecting to spend 300 k, I'll get 500 k. It gives you options. It also saves you if an unplanned expense pops up. If you have money left over give it to niece's or nephews for a souvenir, or spend it at the airport. Or just put it in your suitcase for your next trip to Colombia.[/QUOTE]Or change it at the airport. There is a convenient Cambio office once in international zone.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2251188]Thanks for the advice, the information on wikisex is also pretty useful. The info on the streets where the action is seems to be all over the place though, they contradict what's written on the lists here, but anyway.

Glad you got away from that guy OK who tried to mug you for your shades! How were you were looking, dressed down enough on the day? And what's the dress code to go to these clubs at night, surely a bit smarter? Is it safe to just jump in any taxi when leaving a club there at night, by nature I would be a bit dubious to do that.[/QUOTE]Jeans and t-shirt nothing fancy or you'll stick out like a sore thumb.

[QUOTE=Applenow;2262465]Where's some good places to stay? Is air bnb okay.[/QUOTE]Many really nice places for good prices.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2261157]11 pm 12-13-18 Just got back from SF had a little snack, some street meat and don't mean I sessioned LOL!

But I wanted to. It was slow traffic wise but there were at least 30 SGs there that I would love Bone down on and I think most guys would too. I might wander back down later.

I have made a decision that this hotness must be documented. I must go to the next level. I will buy a good spy watch next month and will produce some videos for this period in history.[/QUOTE]Please please please video document the sights!

It was great to meet you in Sante Fe this past October. I am in Medellin now and planning a road trip down to Cali so I won't make it back to Bogota until after the New Year.

The Tall Man.

Hi everyone,

I'm Just a Colombian (Bogota) guy who want to mix his two mayor hobbies which are visiting best brothels in town and practice English.

If you prefer to feel safe in Bogota going to crazy places like Santa Fe, we can catch up. I will give you my best suggestions of this kind of places in the city.

I'm Just doing this for fun, not for mone!

Contact me on whatsapp [blue][Telephone Number deleted by Admin][/blue]

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[QUOTE=OldBelly69;2248796]Is there a drop off in terms of girl quality in between these two cities? Or just different in terms of what city has to offer?

Literally, spent few weeks reading about Medellin but Bogota is way more convenient due to the availability of direct flight from where I live.

Realized that Bogota isn't discuss much as Medellin so wasn't so sure why in desperate of being a capital city.

Please feel free to share any opinions you might have.[/QUOTE]It is the same advice that I am asking. I am visiting Colombia from 27 January to 10 February. Is Medellin mandatory? Is it not better to spend more time on Bogota for our hobby and et the remaining time for tourism? Indeed, I prefer to avoid more than one big city during my stay and visit Carthagena and Santa Marta.

Many thanks.

[QUOTE=Banb92;2264130]It is the same advice that I am asking. I am visiting Colombia from 27 January to 10 February. Is Medellin mandatory? Is it not better to spend more time on Bogota for our hobby and et the remaining time for tourism? Indeed, I prefer to avoid more than one big city during my stay and visit Carthagena and Santa Marta.

Many thanks.[/QUOTE]I know, I have spent time in both cities. Medellin cannot hold a candle to Bogota in terms of Quantity. The quality is the same. Bogota is the city that all the bad girls go to.

I've been in Bogota now for a while and feel it's really a great city in all aspects! I will report my experiences in few different scenes during the coming days. To get started here are my experiences with [URL]seeking.com[/URL] girls.

I paid the membership for three months mostly to prepare my Spanish and secondly to collect numbers before the trip. First goal was met easily since you always have someone willing to chat longer periods of time. The second was more tricky because the girls change a lot in short period of time. It doesn't really make sense to pay more than minimum subscription just before the trip. It's pretty easy to collect whatsapp numbers and then organise meeting. I got some invaluable intel from fellow member Butch145 via private messages. He did the same thing in Medellin what I now made in Bogota. So this procedure has been proved to be working in two cities.

To write it short:

1. pay SA subscription.

2. chat and get numbers.

3. organise meeting in whatsapp.

4. don't discuss money and invite the girls to your place.

5. after you're done be generous but not stupid, 150-200 k will do in both cities.

6. repeat starting from step no 2.

It's really this easy. Be prepared that some girls don't read SA or even whatsapp very regularly. It's better to keep few options on table at all times. I was also scared about the step 4 and afraid of having debates after the sessions. Thanks to advice by Butch145 I was brave enough to try it this way and it worked every single time. It pretty much goes like "cierra tus ojos" and put some money in her bag and say goodbye. Some professional girls probably want to discuss money upfront but real freelancers deal it differently. You will easily spot who is pro and who is not.

I will post few pics of SA girls once I get them resized.

The amount of ass is really stunning in this city. They roam all over and looks like more girls than guys everywhere (disclaimer: haven't seen stats though). Getting numbers in Zona T nightlife is fairly easy. I tried few different disco bars with tropical music as they call it here. Cannot remember the names but all places with dancing are good for this.

Procedure:

1. Go to bar with some dancing on Thu-Sat around 9 pm-1 am.

2. Get a beer and lean a wall.

3. Don't be shy having eye contact and wait the girls to come to speak you (or go yourself if brave).

4. Change the whatsapp numbers and organise a date for the next day.

The difficult part is that some girls are obviously non-pro and some semi-pro. Discussing money is again a bad idea at least upfront. At the moment I have many numbers but no completed dates so I have no real advice on this. Maybe the best approach is similar to what I explained in previous post. Just call it shopping money and the non-pros don't freak out.

Seems like most nightlife is from Thu-Sat with the exception of Gringo Tuesdays. Be sure to visit there if your Spanish sucks. Everyone wants to practice their English. During the language exchange part it's fairly easy to get numbers "to show you around city" or "practice their english more next day". I got two numbers of real 9-10 stunners but they appeared to be dead-ends with serious boyfriends. After the language part it's just another disco party with loads of girls. I didn't stay very late but it seemed like the good girls go home early and get replaced by semi-pro types. By good girls I mean that some drank just water and had even their english teacher with them or something like that. This party is probably even easier playground than the weekend rumbas I explained above.

I know many of you have different opinions and tactics regarding non-pro game. I tried to explain how it worked for a first-timer who doesn't know anyone in the city and obviously looks like a gringo.

[QUOTE=Banb92;2264130] Is Medellin mandatory?
Many thanks.[/QUOTE]Nothing is mandatory. I personally prefer Bogota over Medellin, but some have an issue with altitude sickness.

[QUOTE=Jalle;2264590]The difficult part is that some girls are obviously non-pro and some semi-pro. Discussing money is again a bad idea at least upfront. At the moment I have many numbers but no completed dates so I have no real advice on this. Maybe the best approach is similar to what I explained in previous post. Just call it shopping money and the non-pros don't freak out.[/QUOTE]Are you that deep in the game? Why are you searching for ways to pay chicks that are not hookers? If the chick is a hooker, then the onus is on her to let you know she is doing it for money. It is not your responsibility to guess who is who or just pay everyone because you do not know.

[QUOTE=Jalle;2264590] I got two numbers of real 9-10 stunners but they appeared to be dead-ends with serious boyfriends. After the language part it's just another disco party with loads of girls..[/QUOTE]There is a very blurred line in Colombia, weather it be in Bogota or Medellin or another location, between paid escorts (ie prepagos) and non-escorts but who have or are in very serious relationships yet will earn some side money with a gringo, and know that the majority of the time the boyfriend knows and even allows their girl friend to go out and have sex for money.

There are very different rules they play by in Colombia, I do not judge as I enjoy the benefits of this way of life. I have 2 very special paisa chicas here in Medellin and working on others, BOTH have serious relationships, they are not a prepago per se but I pay them for their company. I know for certain that both have serious relationships with their respective boyfriends but they also enjoy the money (especially at Christmas time) and fun times.

This is the norm or should say the way of life here in Colombia. An attractive chica will have her boyfriend to go dancing with, a lover or two who give them dick, and a sponsor type guy (like me the gringo) who helps them with economics.

Of course not all Colombian women are this way but the vast majority are, I would suggest that 75% or more have earned money at some point in their life or are willing to consider it.

So the point of this is that there are no dead-ends in Colombia, yes even stunners, just takes time and effort and a bit of spanish and some good flirting and you will be shocked at what happens.

Just my two pesos!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2264619]There is a very blurred line in Colombia, weather it be in Bogota or Medellin or another location, between paid escorts (ie prepagos) and non-escorts but who have or are in very serious relationships yet will earn some side money with a gringo, and know that the majority of the time the boyfriend knows and even allows their girl friend to go out and have sex for money.

Of course not all Colombian women are this way but the vast majority are, I would suggest that 75% or more have earned money at some point in their life or are willing to consider it.[/QUOTE]Spreading a message like this is bound to get someone fucked up if they actually believe it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2264609]Are you that deep in the game? Why are you searching for ways to pay chicks that are not hookers? If the chick is a hooker, then the onus is on her to let you know she is doing it for money. It is not your responsibility to guess who is who or just pay everyone because you do not know.[/QUOTE]

You are absolutely right. Still learning how things work here. I have probably spent too much time in Africa where everyone expects money in the morning.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2264619]There is a very blurred line in Colombia, weather it be in Bogota or Medellin or another location, between paid escorts (ie prepagos) and non-escorts but who have or are in very serious relationships yet will earn some side money with a gringo, and know that the majority of the time the boyfriend knows and even allows their girl friend to go out and have sex for money.

There are very different rules they play by in Colombia, I do not judge as I enjoy the benefits of this way of life. I have 2 very special paisa chicas here in Medellin and working on others, BOTH have serious relationships, they are not a prepago per se but I pay them for their company. I know for certain that both have serious relationships with their respective boyfriends but they also enjoy the money (especially at Christmas time) and fun times.

This is the norm or should say the way of life here in Colombia. An attractive chica will have her boyfriend to go dancing with, a lover or two who give them dick, and a sponsor type guy (like me the gringo) who helps them with economics.

Of course not all Colombian women are this way but the vast majority are, I would suggest that 75% or more have earned money at some point in their life or are willing to consider it.

So the point of this is that there are no dead-ends in Colombia, yes even stunners, just takes time and effort and a bit of spanish and some good flirting and you will be shocked at what happens.

Just my two pesos!

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing a good point. In my case I have collected so far around 15 numbers and 2 of those have told about boyfriends. IMO it doesn't really make sense to spend time on the most difficult ones while 10+ others are waiting in line. I should have written that they are dead-ends for someone like me with very limited time in Bogota. Maybe in case I had several months here it would be rewarding. As you mentioned it's question of time and game.

I agree that probably it's possible to score any girl finally. I got even Christmas dinner invitation from one of these "dead-end girls" which is probably a sign of something. Her boyfriend is attending too.

This is a late report. I spent five days (Fri Nov 9 to Tue Nov 13) Bogota. My Bogota experience was outstanding. I have been to Medellin three times and had no complaints about this Bogota trip.

Day 1.

Copa Airlines flight from the states to Panama City (Tocumen) and my connecting flight to Bogota (El Dorado) all were smooth, on-time and put me in Bogota at 9:30 am. I cleared immigration smoothly and quickly. I only use carry-on luggage so straight to go meet my ride. My prearranged driver was there on time and I arrived at the rental loft (via AirBnb nice 18th floor unit with a balcony and an amazing view of Bogota) at 10:30 am located at Carrera 13 & Calle 28. Traffic was not as bad as I expected for this city of 10+ million people. They let me check in early. Again, the unit was nice and it had a safe in which I immediately put my stuff.

I met up with the cousin of a coworker, who took me on a walking tour of La Candeleria, El Chorro de Quevedo, Plaza de Bolivar and the area around Torre Colpatria. While doing that, I attempted to set up some "citas" with some chicas via whatsapp for later. One thing that surprised me was Bogota was extremely safe. I would find that out throughout my stay. I spent a lot of time walking and had no issues. During that walk, I would see some fine chicas going about their daily life, I guess. I went to a small mom and pop type spot to eat while we were out.

At night, one Tinder app FL chica came through around 10 pm. She was a morena from Bogota (22 years old) with a cute face, pretty light brown skin, shoulder length hair, nice legs and barely spoke English. No problem. We conversed in Espaol. I gave her the nickname of "Morena. " Negotiated 280 mil pesos for TLN (down from her 350 mil request). We drank beer (Club Colombia), danced to music. She kept her promise and gave me a wonderful BBBJ that ended in an explosive CIM. RELIEF! We showered together. I got hard in the shower. She BBBJ'ed me in the shower. We left the shower, dried off, put on a rubber and I finished banging her on the sofa. Shot another load. We cleaned up. Drank some more beer. Talked and eventually went to sleep.

Day 2.

I had morning wood. Morena took care of that for me. While I laid in the bed, she worked the rocket with a good BBBJ and of course, I exploded in her boca. NICE! That felt extremely satisfying. She cleaned herself up, took a shower and left. I went to the gym in the building. Nice burn. I returned to the loft, showered up and hit Archie's (near Museo Nacional) for breakfast. Nice breakfast. I walked around a bit and did the tourist thing. I went to the park near the Planetarium, then walked back to the loft. Took a long nap (longer than I wanted too). I arranged a "cita" with another Tinder FL chica. She came over later.

Angelica came over. She was a light-skinned 23 year old spinner from Bogota. She had blond hair, face okay and surprisingly nice sized tetas on her small body. She wanted 130 mil for one hour. No problem. I played with her tetas and got hard. I put my rocket between her tetas. Nice. Condon on. Then she rode me on the floor. "On all fours" next. Pounded her from behind until a shot my load. Not bad. She cleaned up and left. I headed up to Zona T later in the night.

Uber from my loft to Zona T. I walked around. Lots of people were out. I went to the Hooters. A college FB game was on. Hooter waitress, pretty everything and a body from heaven, was asking what I wanted to drink, but I was staring at her body. OOPS. Sorry. I had some wings and BBC cerveza. We talk. She told me how she does not like her president. I said, "Tenemos algo en comun con eso. " She laughed. Wings were great as usual. I did not like the BBC Beer. Club Colombia was much better. I paid. She told me to come back tomorrow for Futbol Americano games. I told her I would definitely if she is working. She says she is. I told her that I will be back.

A dude approached me and told me his club had the chicas. I asked him where. He pulled out a small flyer with "Olimpia"(I might have spelled it wrong) on it. He said he will take me there. I just said F it in my mind and followed him, but kept my wits about me. We got there, I was searched and went in. WOW. Nothing but 8's and up here. I know this place was expensive. Seemed to be high class. Chica with a nice body, super hot face and HUGE tetas walked past me and looked. I motioned her to sit down with me. My rocket woke up again. We talked. She is 27. I ask her how much to come back to my loft in El Centro for the night. She said 500 mil pesos. Que? She "came down" to 450 mil but would not go lower. Rocket went down. Nice to meet you, I am leaving now. I paid for the beers I bought and tipped the guy. I took Uber back down to the loft in El Centro and called it a night.

Day 3.

Woke up. Hit the gym again. Hit Archie's again for breakfast (I love their breakfast). I did some more touristy stuff. I went to the Museo del Oro and was in awe at the exhibits. I went back to the Plaza de Bolivar and hung out there for a while. I took a lot of pics and mingled with some backpackers. Time flew. I decided to hit Santa Fe later. Later came fast. Sun down. Let me see what Santa Fe was about.

Went back to the Loft to shower and change clothes so as not to look like an obvious tourist. Just some jeans, a black t-shirt and some converse. Took Uber to Santa Fe. The scenery definitely changed as we approached Santa Fe. Lots and lots of people out. Working girls. People selling stuff. Lots of folks walking around, hanging out here and there. Lots of police, seemingly at each corner. I was cool with it. Uber let me off at 16 a (would not drive up the street due to police). A dude approached me. I asked him where was Atunes. He says it is closed and pointed to the door where it was. I tried the door and it was locked. He said come to Paisas. Cool. I followed him to the spot. Nice. Chicas, seemingly much younger than the expensive spot up north from the previous night.

I sat down. I waved at a nice looking spinner. She comes over. She was 21 year old Venezolana. Super cute face, nice petite body, but had a nice a** and some funbags imprinted under her shirt. Her name was Ana. Said she had a kid back in Venezuela. We talked, drank beer and danced. She got me hard and it showed through my jeans. She laughed. I cut to the chase, kissed her and told her I wanted FS with her. She pointed upstairs and said "70 mil for media hora. " ($21 bucks?) For real? Wow. Let's go. I closed my tab, we went upstairs to a receptionist. Got one of the rooms. A small one with purple background / lighting. I cleaned up quick and so did she (in a hurry). She put the condom on with her mouth. WOW! I pounded her in the missionary and on all fours. She was a screamer. She made me shoot my load just before the knock at the door. Wow. The first time I banged someone in a casa (I had BJs only, in BJ bars in BKK and Pattaya before, no FS). Cleaned up. Gave her 20 mil tip. She gave me her WhatsApp (In my Colombian phone) and I left. I hopped in cab in front of Paisas and went back to the loft.

Back at loft thinking how I banged a nice Venezolana spinner for just over 20 bucks. WOW. I said I am going back later. A couple of hours later, I did just that. I took Uber back to the spot where the last Uber let me off at. Santa Fe was packed full people and the police. All I was thinking about was chica pussy. I used the sidewalk and jogged to Paisas, avoiding the "helpers who wanted tips. " Guys near the door remembered me from earlier. I go in. Get seated. I messaged Ana. No response. I did not see her. Ana was ya se fue. No problem. I saw a slim, light-skinned chica with long hair, cute fair and nice legs. She had on a skirt. WOW. I got hard looking at her. She looked at me. I waved. She came over. She was a 21-year old from Venezuela (lots of Venezolanas apparently). We had a couple of beers. I asked her to go upstairs with me. She quoted about the same 70 mil for 30 minutes. We walked upstairs. Did the preliminaries and got to one of the rooms. She stripped naked. NICE. Condon on. I started from the rear on her. Nice snatch. Flipped her over, she wrapped her long legs around me and kept pulling me into her like a machine. A shot off in less than 20 minutes. Wow. Nice. We cleaned up. I tipped her about 20 mil pesos. I kissed her, walked downstairs, hopped in a cab in front and went back to the loft. What a night.

Day 4.

I woke up with Santa Fe definitely on my mind. I went to Cerro Monserrate early to beat the crowds since the day was a Colombian holiday. I took the funicular to the top. Nice view. Wow. Finally another landmark crossed off of the bucket list. Went back down, went to Archie's again and saw the Ciclovia. A cool thing the country does for its bicyclists. Morena, the CIM queen sends me a message asking if I need company. I told her maybe later. The day passed by quickly as I spent most of the time chilling on the balcony and mentally preparing myself to return to the USA and the grind. Late afternoon came and I made my way to Santa Fe. I got out at 16 a like normal. Atunes was closed again. Oh crap! What the deal with this place? And Paisas had not opened yet.

I walked around to Nightclub California but stopped and turned around. This zona was looking sketchy as F in the daylight. One dude approached me and told me to be careful around there. I said, "Dios es mi guia. " he laughed. He was trying to sell me on a spot and I forgot the name. I walked back to 16 a and saw "Casona. " I walked in there. Bar to my left. Dancer's floor in the middle with tables / chairs on either side. Some nice chicas were in there. Then immediately I saw a spinner, who I guessed was a Venezolana. I guessed right. I waved her over to my table. She was very petite, decent looking face, had braces and her name was Yerni. Me and Yerni talked for a bit and drank some Ron Medellin and coke. I saw a girl that looked like her sitting up front. Yerni's twin sister. Wow. I tell Yerni to tell her sister to come over. Sister comes. We all drank together. I know this is setup for a threesome (Yerni even asked me if I wanted them both). I just wanted Yerni (don't be mad at me guys). Nevertheless, I have a hard on that just won't quit now. I had to bang Yerni and I wanted to take her back to the loft. I pulled her out for 180 mil. She kissed her sister goodbye, we hopped in the cab outside and hit the loft.

Me and Yerni arrived at the loft. She wanted some more beer (this petite thing can drink). She killed my last two Club Colombias and she finally took her clothes off. She unzipped my pants and I am thinking BBBJ. No. She stopped and asked for a condom. "Para chupar?" Yes. No. I never ever want a covered BJ. But I put on the condom. I sat her on the bar stool and banged her there. We moved to the floor, the bed and I wanted to do her on the balcony but did not. She was a almost a starfish, but a screamer (I love the screaming spinners). She ended up taking off the condom, BBBJ'ed me and I gleefully CIM'ed. Nice. She told me that she wanted to get a tattoo and asked me could I "gift" her 80 mil for it. She then asked for some dinero so she and her sister could go back to Venezuela. I tipped her 25 mil pesos and told her I would see her later. I got my nut off and her begging was getting on my nerves. She left. I laid in my bed and relaxing for a bit. I sent Morena, the CIM queen a message. She answered it a few seconds. I told her I that I was leaving tomorrow and wanted to see her once more. She came over later.

I wanted her for TLN. Same. 280 mil. No problem. I put on some music thinking she wanted to dance. She unzipped my pants, played with the rocket and commenced her classic BBBJ. I just laid back in an attempt to enjoy it for a while. Unlike the so-called BJ queens in Thailand, she sucked me off well past 15 minutes and did not get tired. As usual, my babies (what little was left) ended up in her boca. In my three trips to Medellin, I never ever had a chica BBBJ me like this one has done. Maybe I messed with the wrong ones or something. But this chica can chupar muy bien. She cleaned up and returned to bed. Sleep.

Day 5.

The morning came and this day was travel day. I looked at the CIM queen. She was sound asleep and naked. I got a boner just looking at her lay there. I woke her and put her hand on the rocket. I reached over and got a condom. She got up from the bed. She returned from the bathroom, got on top of me and rode me good in that one position until I shot my load. WHEW. Damn. Now if she were to ask me for a tattoo, I'll say "Si" easily. She kissed me, cleaned up and left. I got cleaned up, packed up, called an uber and went to El Dorado. Bogota did not disappoint. Between meeting the BBBJCIM queen and banging Venezolanas, I'the say my Bogota experience was great.

A couple of random questions before my upcoming trip to Bogota. I haven't really read anyone mentioning about the altitude there, have any of you guys suffered from altitude sickness there?

The city is at high ski resort altitude (2640 metres). I don't know much about that condition and don't think I've been at that height since skiing at about 14 years old, but knowing my luck I'll get it there! I have visions of me wandering around with barely enough energy to walk, let alone shag!!

On another note, is hand sanitiser easy to find in the stores there, is it something commonly used there?

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2265552]A couple of random questions before my upcoming trip to Bogota. I haven't really read anyone mentioning about the altitude there, have any of you guys suffered from altitude sickness there?

The city is at high ski resort altitude (2640 metres). I don't know much about that condition and don't think I've been at that height since skiing at about 14 years old, but knowing my luck I'll get it there! I have visions of me wandering around with barely enough energy to walk, let alone shag!!

On another note, is hand sanitiser easy to find in the stores there, is it something commonly used there?[/QUOTE]I had no issues with the altitude. I guess the issues would come into play if you were involved in heavy physical activities outside. With all of the walking I did, I did not have any issues though.

The smaller stores (mom and pop joints) did not have hand sanitizer. The larger chain restaurants did (Hooters, Archies, etc).

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2265552]A couple of random questions before my upcoming trip to Bogota. I haven't really read anyone mentioning about the altitude there, have any of you guys suffered from altitude sickness there?[/QUOTE]If you are okay in the plane, you should be okay in the city. The elevation of Bogota is 8800 feet. The plane is pressurized to coincide with an elevation between 6000 and 8000 feet.

I have asthma and sometimes I feel it when I get off the plane, but by the time I get through immigration it is gone.

[QUOTE=ElMoreno202;2265350]I ask her how much to come back to my loft in El Centro for the night. She said 500 mil pesos. Que? She "came down" to 450 mil but would not go lower.[/QUOTE]And this wasn't including the fee you would have had to pay the place for taking her out right? Great report. You are batting 1000! I just wish you could have gone inside California. But there is just so much shit going on in Santa Fe that you will get satisfactory results everywhere you turn; especially since the Venezuelans have hit town.

P. S. I don't usually give hoes tips, but I just had to give the last chick I hit in California a tip. She was Venezuelan and straight GFE. But what made me tip her was that when we got to the room her bra broke. Knowing how fucked up things are for her back home the last thing she was trying to do was buy a new bra. So I gave her money and told her to go buy a new one with it.

I was lucky to have a wingman in Chapinero on two concecutive Saturdays. First tour was with BaddHabbit and the latter with Dccpa. Thanks again for great company!

Day 1:

We originally wanted to visit some Spas with BaddHabbit. After 30 minutes BaddHabbit was already sessioning with two girls and I decided to skip the lineup. Since I had an hour to wait I checked few other spas in southern part of north map. Nothing new to report about those. After that took a taxi to Chicas 2000. Since it was my first casa in Bogota it was a real WOW. More than 20 girls on Sat afternoon. It took me like 15 seconds to make local friends by saying "Quiero una cerveza" in front of the lineup and get everyone laugh. Excellent choice said one of the locals. We ended up chatting there 3 hours and drinking 6-8 beers each. BaddHabbit finally finished with his girls and took Uber to Chicas 2000. It was already like 5 pm and the lineup started to weaken hour by hour. I recommend going there quite early. A couple of the colombians also said that it's not totally safe in the evening. Strangest thing was nobody of the group has ever heard name "chicas 2000" even though they are regulars and one of them actually living just two blocks away. The place is definitely same with black metal gate. One minor correction to Bogota lists: in Chicas 2000 is now 35 k for 30 min and not 40 k (price is printed on wall), 15 min is still 30 k and beer 5 k.

After Chicas 2000 we headed to Pussy House with a group of 6 including me, BaddHabbit and 4 colombian guys. It was quite slow in the early evening. Maybe 10 girls and few more customers. I would say it's definitely a good option to watch girls and drink (5 k also here for beer). We didn't partake in action but got quoted 100 k for 30 minutes. Our colombian friends said no-no-no it's max 70 k here. Looks like map says 120 k, girls say 100 k, colombians say 70 k so the price is definitely not too fixed. We decided to take a break after PH and head to our accommodations for rest.

Later in the evening I went with one of the Colombians to Club Platin Oz-74 which is the southernmost place in north map. It was totally different vibe than Pussy House. Customers are clearly better doing locals and girls also slightly hotter than in Pussy House. It's more expensive place but the setup for strip stage is best I have seen for a while. There is no fence like in Pussy House and lights are also better. I wouldn't even report this place, but just in case someone is interested in a good show with not-so-rough crowd this is a place to be.

Day 2:

We had similar start with Dccpa on the next Saturday. He was interested to see Chicas 2000 so we decided to start there. They had again around 20 girls but more than half were different than previous week. I spoke with a couple of girls and they had just arrived from Venezuela. According to them all but few of the current girls are venecas.

After leaving Chicas 2000 we visited the following places (maybe even forgot some):

- Ron con Piernas: smoky and quite low quality with just a few girls.

- The 70 a bar: very low quality.

- Unknown casa on the same street: better than the two before but just few girls.

- Calle 69 # xx-xx: second best lineup of this day, maybe 10 girls and friendly place with many customers.

- Unknown casa Carrera 68 #17-85: few girls slightly better and friendly manager.

- Gaticas or el reservado eden: Avoid. Very pushy venezuelans running the place and low quality.

- Salome: Strong avoid: the guys tried to physically push us to back room even though we said we are leaving (probably same venezuelans run the place as around the corner since we were guided in by them). It was really dirty and girls very very low quality, let alone the security issues. I am not 100% sure this place was Salome as someone reported positive things about it recently. Hard to believe if it's this place. It's also possible there is other place in 30 m radius. However, these two last places felt much more unsafe than my first Santafe visit to get an idea. We decided to finish the round here as it got too rough.

In conclusion: Out of the mentioned places Chicas 2000 and Pussy House are worth visiting but I wouldn't waste time going around all shitholes on the map. Seems like the ones that are good are the ones most discussed in forum. There were also at least two places not mentioned in the map, but I didn't take addresses down.

One of the non-pros from my number list: 19 yo bogotana. This one also allowed few photos. Unfortunately for her privacy I had to cut a really pretty face from the photos.

I went to SantaFe last Thursday to check it out daytime. After reading hundreds of positive reports here I was expecting more girls. Maybe just bad timing but it definitely wasn't "hundreds of girls" on carreras between calle 23 and calle 24. It's interesting area to see, but quite sketchy as ElMoreno202 yesterday wrote. I got immediately flashbacks from Metaxourgio RLD of Athens which is similarly rough looking, has about same going rate (10), and is also quite unsafe.

Does anyone have suggestions what time SF has most girls? I walked the "8" shape (see screenshot from wikiguide) several times between 2:30 pm and 5:30 pm and had some beers at Atunes and another similar joint. Atunes had better talent than the streets that day. I'm looking forward to visit SantaFe also evening time before making any further conclusions.

I took few pics from Calle 23 when leaving by taxi. These girls on Calle 23 were less hardcore looking than those in front of motels.

[QUOTE=Jalle;2265633]Does anyone have suggestions what time SF has most girls? [/QUOTE]Go around 7 or 8 pm, especially on a Friday. In the daytime everyone is at work, so it is pretty calm. But the bustle starts when people get off work.

After you get to your hotel relax for an hour or so.

Last time I was there I checked and walked to Chicas Milenio. I was walking fast to get there.

I got dizzy and had to show my walk down.

That walk was from the Calle 80's to 70's.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2265552]A couple of random questions before my upcoming trip to Bogota. I haven't really read anyone mentioning about the altitude there, have any of you guys suffered from altitude sickness there?

The city is at high ski resort altitude (2640 metres). I don't know much about that condition and don't think I've been at that height since skiing at about 14 years old, but knowing my luck I'll get it there! I have visions of me wandering around with barely enough energy to walk, let alone shag!!

On another note, is hand sanitiser easy to find in the stores there, is it something commonly used there?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jalle;2265633]I went to SantaFe last Thursday to check it out daytime. After reading hundreds of positive reports here I was expecting more girls. Maybe just bad timing but it definitely wasn't "hundreds of girls" on carreras between calle 23 and calle 24. It's interesting area to see, but quite sketchy as ElMoreno202 yesterday wrote. I got immediately flashbacks from Metaxourgio RLD of Athens which is similarly rough looking, has about same going rate (10), and is also quite unsafe.

Does anyone have suggestions what time SF has most girls? I walked the "8" shape (see screenshot from wikiguide) several times between 2:30 pm and 5:30 pm and had some beers at Atunes and another similar joint. Atunes had better talent than the streets that day. I'm looking forward to visit SantaFe also evening time before making any further conclusions.

I took few pics from Calle 23 when leaving by taxi. These girls on Calle 23 were less hardcore looking than those in front of motels.[/QUOTE]The afternoon is much too early, go after sunset like 8 or 9 PM. Have fun!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2265552]A couple of random questions before my upcoming trip to Bogota. I haven't really read anyone mentioning about the altitude there, have any of you guys suffered from altitude sickness there?

The city is at high ski resort altitude (2640 metres). I don't know much about that condition and don't think I've been at that height since skiing at about 14 years old, but knowing my luck I'll get it there! I have visions of me wandering around with barely enough energy to walk, let alone shag!!

On another note, is hand sanitiser easy to find in the stores there, is it something commonly used there?[/QUOTE]The altitude didn't bother me much the first time, coming from sea level. I was 51 or 52 and out of shape. The only issue was trying to walk up any noticeable hill. Walking from the Transmilenio up to the funicular for Monserrate just about did me in.

Coming from Medellin, after about 3 months in Medellin I had no issues. Was in better shape, 20# lighter, 3 years older and had been doing a lot of walking around the hills of El Poblado. After 6 months in Medellin, I went to Bogota and ended up walking almost 25 miles in one day, with no ill effects. By that point I had dropped 50# and was in pretty good shape from walking about 100 miles per week. I like to walk, it helps me think.

If you're coming from sea level, I'd recommend trying to get into a regular exercise routine before your trip. It'll help offset the reduced oxygen. If you're from someplace at 4000' or more above sea level, you probably won't have any issues.

You can find hand sanitizer in most grocery stores or department stores. Probably won't find it at the smaller markets.

[QUOTE=ElMoreno202;2265350]
I got out at 16 a like normal. Atunes was closed again. Oh crap! What the deal with this place?

[/QUOTE]Great report. Atunes is a day time club. You went there too late.

Took the opportunity to ride the Transmilenio on Christmas as it was largely empty. Most business were closed in Bogota and there were few people in the streets, or the Transmilenium. So, went to Santa Fe, and got there around 1 pm. Not a whole lot going on, but there were definitely chicas working. Enough options to keep me interested. After a few tours around the blocks, I've settled on two different girls on different locations that I wanted. When walked over to my first option, she was gone. So walked two blocks to my second choice, and she was there. 40 K pesos later it was one of the best sessions ever. She make it a very good Christmas. Decided to check out Plaza Victorino. The plaza was dead with not much going on. Usually it's full of people and business, but not on Christmas. Santa Fe however is still rocking on Christmas. So I went back to Santa Fe. Got there around 3 pm. A lot more people out, including more girls! I wasn't planning on having a second session, just to hang out and look around, scouting for next time. I ate an egg and sausage lunch at the bakery on Calle 23 near 15th from where you can see girls hanging out across the street. As I was eating, a light-skinned mulata goes to the corner across the street. She was fresh and thin, in a workout suit. I couldn't keep my eyes off her. She left the corner, but came back shortly, dancing a bit attracting attention from cars. I decide I want her, but some guy goes up and starts talking to her, basically hanging out with her. They share a cigarette or a joint. They leave the corner then come back together. I'm hoping this guy will leave as he looks rough, and I don't know their status. Finally I say 'F it--I'm going to walk up and talk to her', but again they leave the corner, walking away they separate. She turns left on the corner of 23rd and 16, I try following her, but she goes out of sight. I walk down the block she went, down Carrera 16, south of CL 23, looking for her, but cannot locate her. On this block there are a bunch of guys hanging out, there are two bonfires with music playing. Maybe I'm getting in over my head looking for this girl (when there are so many others!) but she was dazzling. Some of the guys are checking me out, sizing me up (tale-tale signs indicate to them that I'm not a local). Still, the only thing that happens is a bummish guy asks me for change. I gave him a few hundred pesos, he was happy, and I kept walking briskly throughout. I decided I've taken enough risks and fun, so back to the Transmilenium and back home. It's around 5 pm and plenty of seats available on Transmilenium. Basically, Santa Fe is worth your time, even on Christmas day!

Best times, days for SF are Wednesday-Saturday 8:30 p-12:30 a Even on Sunday-Tuesday after 9 pm there are usually some really hot girls that most guys would be happy with.

Going in the daytime can be good in afternoons. It's really nice top see the girls in day light. Even in the morning and lunch time there are girls there for the lunch / breakfast crowd.

Attunes will have stunners there in the day time too.

Colombian pay day is the 1st and 15th this is a huge factor in quantity too.

[QUOTE=Jalle;2265633]I went to SantaFe last Thursday to check it out daytime. After reading hundreds of positive reports here I was expecting more girls. Maybe just bad timing but it definitely wasn't "hundreds of girls" on carreras between calle 23 and calle 24. It's interesting area to see, but quite sketchy as ElMoreno202 yesterday wrote. I got immediately flashbacks from Metaxourgio RLD of Athens which is similarly rough looking, has about same going rate (10), and is also quite unsafe.

Does anyone have suggestions what time SF has most girls? I walked the "8" shape (see screenshot from wikiguide) several times between 2:30 pm and 5:30 pm and had some beers at Atunes and another similar joint. Atunes had better talent than the streets that day. I'm looking forward to visit SantaFe also evening time before making any further conclusions.

I took few pics from Calle 23 when leaving by taxi. These girls on Calle 23 were less hardcore looking than those in front of motels.[/QUOTE]The spot the photos were shot (23 d and 15th) will have 50-100 girls at night many stunners (18-20 something) charging $10-$20.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2265564]If you are okay in the plane, you should be okay in the city. The elevation of Bogota is 8800 feet. The plane is pressurized to coincide with an elevation between 6000 and 8000 feet.

I have asthma and sometimes I feel it when I get off the plane, but by the time I get through immigration it is gone.[/QUOTE]That's an interesting analogy, thanks! I didn't know that. I'm usually fine on a plane, so fingers crossed!

[QUOTE=Jalle;2265633]I went to SantaFe last Thursday to check it out daytime. After reading hundreds of positive reports here I was expecting more girls. Maybe just bad timing but it definitely wasn't "hundreds of girls" on carreras between calle 23 and calle 24. It's interesting area to see, but quite sketchy as ElMoreno202 yesterday wrote. I got immediately flashbacks from Metaxourgio RLD of Athens which is similarly rough looking, has about same going rate (10), and is also quite unsafe.

Does anyone have suggestions what time SF has most girls? I walked the "8" shape (see screenshot from wikiguide) several times between 2:30 pm and 5:30 pm and had some beers at Atunes and another similar joint. Atunes had better talent than the streets that day. I'm looking forward to visit SantaFe also evening time before making any further conclusions.

I took few pics from Calle 23 when leaving by taxi. These girls on Calle 23 were less hardcore looking than those in front of motels.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the map dude! But DAMN, I hope the daytime scene is better than that when I go to Santa Fe, I wouldn't travel thousands of miles for that scene. Those are the less hardcore chicas? I would hate to see the more hardcore ones! I wouldn't go near any of them!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2265904]The altitude didn't bother me much the first time, coming from sea level. I was 51 or 52 and out of shape. The only issue was trying to walk up any noticeable hill. Walking from the Transmilenio up to the funicular for Monserrate just about did me in.

Coming from Medellin, after about 3 months in Medellin I had no issues. Was in better shape, 20# lighter, 3 years older and had been doing a lot of walking around the hills of El Poblado. After 6 months in Medellin, I went to Bogota and ended up walking almost 25 miles in one day, with no ill effects. By that point I had dropped 50# and was in pretty good shape from walking about 100 miles per week. I like to walk, it helps me think.

If you're coming from sea level, I'd recommend trying to get into a regular exercise routine before your trip. It'll help offset the reduced oxygen. If you're from someplace at 4000' or more above sea level, you probably won't have any issues.

You can find hand sanitizer in most grocery stores or department stores. Probably won't find it at the smaller markets.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice! Well, I'm a similar age to when you first went there, in pretty good shape and walk around 5 kms daily, also enjoy it! When its warmer I'm a keen cyclist. Where I live in Belgium is only 15 m above sea level apparently, I just checked!

Was just wondering, why do all you guys take Uber in Bogota, are the taxi's not pretty cheap there as it is? Which of the two are safer? Maybe it's a cultural difference. Here in Belgium where things are slow to change, they haven't really caught on yet. In Brussels an Uber driver was actually taken to court, the Taxi mafia are very strong there.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2266196]Was just wondering, why do all you guys take Uber in Bogota, are the taxi's not pretty cheap there as it is? Which of the two are safer? Maybe it's a cultural difference. Here in Belgium where things are slow to change, they haven't really caught on yet. In Brussels an Uber driver was actually taken to court, the Taxi mafia are very strong there.[/QUOTE]If the taxi had better advantages that would make people choose them over other transportation, they wouldn't need a mafia would they?

In most places the shared ride apps are cheaper than taxis. You do not have to worry about a hot meter or haggling about the price. You also have to flag down a taxi. You can just push the button on your phone and the Uber comes to you. You do not need money for Uber. You can have a credit card stored on your account and it automatically charges the ride to that. I have an American Express Platinum and they give me $200 per year ($15 per month, $35 for December) credit for Uber.

Last year I was taking a ride from the airport in Manila to the hotel that I stay in there. It usually takes about 15 to 20 minutes. The cost was about $5. Traffic ended up being a mess that day. It took 3 hours to get to my hotel. It was still $5. Imagine what it would have been in a taxi.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2266196]Was just wondering, why do all you guys take Uber in Bogota, are the taxi's not pretty cheap there as it is? Which of the two are safer? Maybe it's a cultural difference. Here in Belgium where things are slow to change, they haven't really caught on yet. In Brussels an Uber driver was actually taken to court, the Taxi mafia are very strong there.[/QUOTE]I usually don't take either, although I've used both. Uber isn't accepted in Colombia. If you take Uber from the airport, the driver will meet you in the parking lot. They won't come near the taxi line.

Taxis in Bogota have a reputation for overcharging. Beware of anyone offering you a taxi inside of the airport. It's likely a freelancer who will charge a ridiculous amount.

My last 2 trips to Bogota were short trips and I traveled light. Walk out the door, hop on the green SITP bus for Portal El Dorado. At Portal El Dorado, get a card for the Transmilenio, hop on and I can ride to within a few blocks of my hotel for about $1.

Made another quick stop to Bogota. Can't beat $25 flights. Sante Fe Is best red light in world in terms of value. Ended up at the usual clubs but found some hotness in Paisas. Went with 23 year old Venezuelan for $60 k for 30 minutes. Sex was ok but loved looking at that ass. More fun times to come. To all my ass Lovera enjoy.

[QUOTE=Global00;2266402]Made another quick stop to Bogota. Can't beat $25 flights. Sante Fe Is best red light in world in terms of value. Ended up at the usual clubs but found some hotness in Paisas. Went with 23 year old Venezuelan for $60 k for 30 minutes. Sex was ok but loved looking at that ass. More fun times to come. To all my ass Lovera enjoy.[/QUOTE]Where did you get a $25 flight from? Remember just a while back, you told me that there were no budget airlines in South America and that everybody knew that the budget airlines were in America and Europe? Remember? So where did you fly in from, and on what carrier?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2266046]Great report. Atunes is a day time club. You went there too late.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I will make a note. I am returning in February.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2266196]Was just wondering, why do all you guys take Uber in Bogota, are the taxi's not pretty cheap there as it is? Which of the two are safer? Maybe it's a cultural difference. Here in Belgium where things are slow to change, they haven't really caught on yet. In Brussels an Uber driver was actually taken to court, the Taxi mafia are very strong there.[/QUOTE]Uber is way cheaper. For example, Uber from El Centro to Zona T was about the equivalent of $2.75 USD versus almost double that via taxi. I hate taxis, no matter the country.

Wingo, Viva Colombia, Latam and Avianca had cheap flights within the country for a cheap as $25 flights.

And I never said their were no budget airlines in South America. Wrong guy. I flew into Santa Marta for $356 roundtrip from Miami on Viva Colombia. I then took a bus to Cartagena stayed there for a day. Then decided I wanted to go to another city before going to San Andres so I went to Medellin $26 flight on VivaColombia. Once I had some fun there I found it was $27 to fly from Bogota to San Andres on Wingo instead of paying $120 from Medellíand. So I looked for a ticket to Medellin to Bogota and found one for $29 on Wingo. So I had a good time in Sante Fe for a night before having a relaxing few days with my Cali girl in San Andres who's round-trip was $71 using travel company Aviatur. After a few days on the island, she went to Cali and I decided to go to Barranquilla, where I am now, which cost me $42 on Wingo. I use Skyscanner, Momondo and Google flights to find the flights. Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2266608]Where did you get a $25 flight from? Remember just a while back, you told me that there were no budget airlines in South America and that everybody knew that the budget airlines were in America and Europe? Remember? So where did you fly in from, and on what carrier?[/QUOTE]

Finally squeezing in my first trip to Colombia and have a total of 4 day / nights: Sunday to Wednesday in mid February and want to see two cities. From RTFF seems Bogota and Medellin are best options. Is one city better or worse on a Sunday & Monday? Is there much variation in the action by the night of the week?

My interest is straight up P4 P (no time to hassle with Cupid or FB) and no real interest in late night partying, but want a good selection of under 22 year old chicas without implants for afternoon and early evening action.

Cheers. Really hope Colombia holds up to the hype! I fear I am spoiled a bit by Southeast Asia.

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2268179]Finally squeezing in my first trip to Colombia and have a total of 4 day / nights: Sunday to Wednesday in mid February and want to see two cities. From RTFF seems Bogota and Medellin are best options. Is one city better or worse on a Sunday & Monday? Is there much variation in the action by the night of the week?

My interest is straight up P4 P (no time to hassle with Cupid or FB) and no real interest in late night partying, but want a good selection of under 22 year old chicas without implants for afternoon and early evening action.

Cheers. Really hope Colombia holds up to the hype! I fear I am spoiled a bit by Southeast Asia.[/QUOTE]As a veteran monger I always try to manage my expectations especially a place I have never been before NO MATTER what you may read so just come and go with the flo and your visit will open up opportunities.

Now for 4 days I suggest pick ONE SPOT, be it either Bogota or Medellin, as you have more time to learn the lay of the land. I have experienced the Sundays to Wednesdays mongering visits to many cities in Colombia looking for pussy and my take as it pertains to Bogota and Medellin is they both do slow down a bit during this weekly time slot BUT a little bit of patience and putting in some efforts can and will lead to some great finds no matter what day of the week it may be.

Remember expectations only lead to resentments. Have fun!

Happy New Year 2019!

The Tall Man.

First trip to Bogota coming up in a week or so and I need some advice. Hotel or air B&B? I have read that some hotels claim they are "guest friendly" but only when the guest is there at check or else you will have to pay a fee to bring them to your room in the evening?

Or is airB&b the way to go? I guess its important to book 2 guests for an air B&B listing or you could run into trouble? Any help is appreciated.

[QUOTE=Xmilar;2268852]First trip to Bogota coming up in a week or so and I need some advice. Hotel or air B&B? I have read that some hotels claim they are "guest friendly" but only when the guest is there at check or else you will have to pay a fee to bring them to your room in the evening?

Or is airB&b the way to go? I guess its important to book 2 guests for an air B&B listing or you could run into trouble? Any help is appreciated.[/QUOTE]I know hotels that charge you a fee when you bring a girl in. I once booked a hotel for 2 people by myself and 3 hours later when my chica finally arrived, I received her in the lobby and we just walked in the elevator so we can get to my room in the 5th floor. When we got in the elevator one of the receptionists loudly told us in front of other people in the lobby "if you guys take longer than 20 minutes, that's an extra $#" LOL so you're going to have to pay extra for the most part. Airbnbs can be tricky. What type of Airbnb place were you looking at? Rent a room or an entire apartment? If you book with 2 then they might ask for the info of the other person, but once you bring that girl, I don't know if they will allow you to bring another girl especially in the same night. What I usually do is get a nice Motel to stay for 1, 2, or 4 hours with the girl / girls. I know many of them.

[QUOTE=Xmilar;2268852]First trip to Bogota coming up in a week or so and I need some advice. Hotel or air B&B? I have read that some hotels claim they are "guest friendly" but only when the guest is there at check or else you will have to pay a fee to bring them to your room in the evening?

Or is airB&b the way to go? I guess its important to book 2 guests for an air B&B listing or you could run into trouble? Any help is appreciated.[/QUOTE]As Routard would say, all hotels in Bogota are guest-friendly, but most, in my research, will make you pay for the privilege.

Airbnbs don't always solve the problem, as the owners don't want mongers to annoy their neighbors. You always need to ask, be it a hotel or Airbnb. Having said that, some hotels will let you bring girls until 10 PM, then it's extra. Send them an email and ask.

I brought a girl to JW Marriott during my stay. Granted, she didn't look like a hooker, but even if she did, I don't think anyone would stop her anyway, at least during busy hours.

Remember that Viva Colombia as other airlines have very strict baggage allowances, kinda like Spirit. So if you have a regular suitcase I think you will pay more than $25 a flight. Saying that if you can get away with just a backpack then the flights are great.

[QUOTE=Global00;2266817]Wingo, Viva Colombia, Latam and Avianca had cheap flights within the country for a cheap as $25 flights.

And I never said their were no budget airlines in South America. Wrong guy. I flew into Santa Marta for $356 roundtrip from Miami on Viva Colombia. I then took a bus to Cartagena stayed there for a day. Then decided I wanted to go to another city before going to San Andres so I went to Medellin $26 flight on VivaColombia. Once I had some fun there I found it was $27 to fly from Bogota to San Andres on Wingo instead of paying $120 from Medelland. So I looked for a ticket to Medellin to Bogota and found one for $29 on Wingo. So I had a good time in Sante Fe for a night before having a relaxing few days with my Cali girl in San Andres who's round-trip was $71 using travel company Aviatur. After a few days on the island, she went to Cali and I decided to go to Barranquilla, where I am now, which cost me $42 on Wingo. I use Skyscanner, Momondo and Google flights to find the flights. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]

Figure $40 for a checked bag on whatever airline.

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2268179]Finally squeezing in my first trip to Colombia and have a total of 4 day / nights: Sunday to Wednesday in mid February and want to see two cities. From RTFF seems Bogota and Medellin are best options. Is one city better or worse on a Sunday & Monday? Is there much variation in the action by the night of the week?

My interest is straight up P4 P (no time to hassle with Cupid or FB) and no real interest in late night partying, but want a good selection of under 22 year old chicas without implants for afternoon and early evening action.

Cheers. Really hope Colombia holds up to the hype! I fear I am spoiled a bit by Southeast Asia.[/QUOTE]Also booked in a trip in February around that time. I've just planned for Bogota. Let me know if you're interested in meeting up.

[QUOTE=Global00;2266817]Wingo, Viva Colombia, Latam and Avianca had cheap flights within the country for a cheap as $25 flights.

And I never said their were no budget airlines in South America. Wrong guy.[/QUOTE]Definitely the wrong guy! My bad. Sorry, friend that was good info, thanks. Yes, I always knew there were "budget" airlines in Latin America, though some clown tried to tell a different thread they only existed in North America and Europe. I'm looking at flights on GOL right now, and the main difference the three fare classes is how many bags you can check in for free (2, 1, 0).

Went to Loutron at around 3 pm. I arrived at the same time when some Colombian executive was leaving as he finished his session and the doorman had to open the gate for his parked Mercedez to pull out. I went in and there were 4 girls that presented themselves. 2 of them were stunners. The girl that was with the executive didn't come out to present herself and was probably the best one. I was quoted 280.00 for an hour. They said if you use your credit card it will cost more, about 320.000. The presentation of the girls is like the one in Energy (in Medellin) where each girl comes out in a well lit room one by one in a robe and bra / panties and takes out the robe and gives you a nice spin to see her whole body clearly, so you know exactly what you're working with. I'm not a big fan of other places where girls just line up together in the darkness and have on those undergarments that covers their belly so when you get to the room you find belly fat or even worse a large gut.

Greetings,

I made a mistake I instantly regretted afterwards of trying a massage parlor in Bogota. Going in, I was certain I only wanted a massage + HJ but it turned in to the woman licking my scrotum and testicles for a few seconds here and there maybe for a total of 30 seconds. She never put the my entire head in her mouth and asked if I wanted oral and I politely refused. I paid a relatively high amount ($200,000 pesos) but instead of feeling high and mighty walking out of the massage parlor, I started to question the amount of unnecessary risk I took. Does anyone have experience with fellatio in Latin America or Bogota specifically? Does anyone know if the individuals who work in these massages parlor tend to be tested? Serious answers would be appreciated. I specifically went to the Absolut Spa.

[QUOTE=RunTweek;2272148]Does anyone have experience with fellatio in Latin America or Bogota specifically? Does anyone know if the individuals who work in these massages parlor tend to be tested? Serious answers would be appreciated. I specifically went to the Absolut Spa.[/QUOTE]Funny question asking on ISG if anyone has experience with fellatio LOL! So first question answer is yes, second question answer is no. But I guess your real question is what is the risk with bareback fellatio. Nothing specific with Bogota. There is a specific threat to talk about STD.

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[QUOTE=RunTweek;2272148]Greetings,

I made a mistake I instantly regretted afterwards of trying a massage parlor in Bogota. Going in, I was certain I only wanted a massage + HJ but it turned in to the woman licking my scrotum and testicles for a few seconds here and there maybe for a total of 30 seconds. She never put the my entire head in her mouth and asked if I wanted oral and I politely refused. I paid a relatively high amount ($200,000 pesos) but instead of feeling high and mighty walking out of the massage parlor, I started to question the amount of unnecessary risk I took. Does anyone have experience with fellatio in Latin America or Bogota specifically? Does anyone know if the individuals who work in these massages parlor tend to be tested? Serious answers would be appreciated. I specifically went to the Absolut Spa.[/QUOTE]Someone should have warned you.

I thought she had been arrested, but apparently not. In Colombia they call her "la lengua de muerte", the tongue of death. She's a carrier of the fatal Tongue-Ball Disease. Chances are it's already too late for you.

If your balls itch, you're already infected. Whatever you do, don't scratch them, that just speeds up the spread of the disease. Some guys say, if you catch it early enough, you can pour bleach on your balls to kill the germs. I don't recommend this.

All I can suggest is that you immediately find a doctor, tell him what happened, tell him you think you have Tongue-Ball Disease, and ask if there's any cure.

If you're lucky enough to survive this encounter, take precautions. Buy a can of polyurethane sealant and put 3 or 4 layers on your testicles.

Don't worry RunTweek if they make fun of you, there is a first time for everyone. It reminds me my godfather on ISG, Peter. He is a legend, his reports made me discover the wonderful world of German FKK. One of my highlights in my mongerlife was the night I finally could meet him in FKK World in Frankfurt. That guy I admired so much, told me his very first time with a pro. He was so afraid of STD, he came with chirurgical hand gloves and anti bacterial mask! Poor girl! LOL! We all know were we have started, but no one knows were we end with our personal limits in the monger world.

Hello,

I could not retrieve my previous account somehow. I mainly lurk here since I don't travel much outside US alone to monger. I was in Bogota last year for a few days and loved it so decided go return. My previous Santa Fe experiences are great as I had sessions which were all good except for one. I arrived today after midnight and went. However, it seemed the Santa Fe street gals el rato now is like less than 10 minutes vs 20 ish I used to have? Could this be because it is so late at night? BTW I barely speak Spanish. Worst was one girl who sucked about 50 k extra from me for anal and the knock came before I could even enter. She asked to extend session but I was so jetlegged I just said fuck it. I will visit chapinero tomorrow as the day casas were good to me. Any recommendations for ones with hot girls? I loved tantra last time as they do BBBJ vut the girls were not real lookers. Thanks in advance.

A thread of 1st experiences would be fun to read.

[QUOTE=Routard;2272595]Don't worry RunTweek if they make fun of you, there is a first time for everyone. It reminds me my godfather on ISG, Peter. He is a legend, his reports made me discover the wonderful world of German FKK. One of my highlights in my mongerlife was the night I finally could meet him in FKK World in Frankfurt. That guy I admired so much, told me his very first time with a pro. He was so afraid of STD, he came with chirurgical hand gloves and anti bacterial mask! Poor girl! LOL! We all know were we have started, but no one knows were we end with our personal limits in the monger world.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2269044]As Routard would say, all hotels in Bogota are guest-friendly, but most, in my research, will make you pay for the privilege.

Airbnbs don't always solve the problem, as the owners don't want mongers to annoy their neighbors. You always need to ask, be it a hotel or Airbnb. Having said that, some hotels will let you bring girls until 10 PM, then it's extra. Send them an email and ask.

I brought a girl to JW Marriott during my stay. Granted, she didn't look like a hooker, but even if she did, I don't think anyone would stop her anyway, at least during busy hours.[/QUOTE]If you don't care about money, just pay the guest fees at the hotels. There is no way around this in Colombia. Some of the more rustic traditional places actually charge per head even if you're all staying in the same room! (this isn't specific to Colombia BTW).

If you want better value for your money, book an Airbnb. Make sure you put 2 guests down and DON"T book insta-booking. Leave in the notes when requesting to book that you specifically plan to have company, and it won't always necessarily be the same guest. Then if they give you any problems, they are at your mercy because you can 1 star them on Airbnb and REALLY hurt their biz.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2274105] If you want better value for your money, book an Airbnb. Make sure you put 2 guests down and DON"T book insta-booking. Leave in the notes when requesting to book that you specifically plan to have company, and it won't always necessarily be the same guest. Then if they give you any problems, they are at your mercy because you can 1 star them on Airbnb and REALLY hurt their biz.[/QUOTE]Air BNB is OK as long as it's not withing the house of the owner. Owners no matter how much it might hurt their business will not accept prostitutes sharing the same roof as their family. If any hotel in Bogota is girlfriendly as hotel might charge double occupancy but no law allows him to refuse an adult with ID just because the guest looks like a prostitute. Air BNB is not 100% girl friendly as it depends of the personal rules of the owner and any citizen is allowed to refuse entrance of a stranger in his home without explanation.

[QUOTE=Routard;2274125]Air BNB is OK as long as it's not withing the house of the owner. Owners no matter how much it might hurt their business will not accept prostitutes sharing the same roof as their family. If any hotel in Bogota is girlfriendly as hotel might charge double occupancy but no law allows him to refuse an adult with ID just because the guest looks like a prostitute. Air BNB is not 100% girl friendly as it depends of the personal rules of the owner and any citizen is allowed to refuse entrance of a stranger in his home without explanation.[/QUOTE]You ever stayed in a Casa Particular in Cuba? The owners are very accustomed to prostitutes in their house.

I know -- it's a special situation.

[QUOTE=Routard;2274125]Air BNB is OK as long as it's not withing the house of the owner. Owners no matter how much it might hurt their business will not accept prostitutes sharing the same roof as their family. If any hotel in Bogota is girlfriendly as hotel might charge double occupancy but no law allows him to refuse an adult with ID just because the guest looks like a prostitute. Air BNB is not 100% girl friendly as it depends of the personal rules of the owner and any citizen is allowed to refuse entrance of a stranger in his home without explanation.[/QUOTE]Well, even when renting a room in Bogota, the standard rule of thumbs is that you can bring your BF / GF in but not multiple peeps.

Culturally, that sort of shit is looked down upon, in Bogota and just about anywhere else in the western world (they even had an episode of Sex and the City dedicated to it).

It's not like anybody in Bogota really has any idea who is or isn't a pro anyways. 50% of women in Bogota between ages 15 and 50 have charged for sex at least once in their lives.

It's certainly a good idea to not get an owner-occupied AirBnb at any rate, just generally. I've seen ones where they draw the bolt on the front door at 9 pm and don't open it again until 6 am the next day!

Went to the Primer de Mayo clubs in the south. A bottle (media) is 55,000 and comes with a show. The prices in the south are more economical than anywhere else. The great majority of the girls were young pretty Venezolanas. What I noticed is that these girls seem less hardened than the other clubs in Bogota and actually seem to enjoy it. I think it's because the turnover rate is high so many of these girls are new and since the pay for them isn't as good, they leave the business. If it wasn't for the girls stripping, one would think that these places were actually normal clubs as everyone of the girls are dancing with the men giving a GFE to each of them for the night. One thing to note is that these clubs start pretty late and this part of town can be even more dangerous than Santa Fe so be cautious and don't take your phone out on the street.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2274105]If you don't care about money, just pay the guest fees at the hotels. There is no way around this in Colombia. Some of the more rustic traditional places actually charge per head even if you're all staying in the same room! (this isn't specific to Colombia BTW).

If you want better value for your money, book an Airbnb. Make sure you put 2 guests down and DON"T book insta-booking. Leave in the notes when requesting to book that you specifically plan to have company, and it won't always necessarily be the same guest. Then if they give you any problems, they are at your mercy because you can 1 star them on Airbnb and REALLY hurt their biz.[/QUOTE]Who doesn't care about money, LOL? But I care even more about not getting ripped off, because this is exactly what hotels are doing charging you $30+ for bringing a girl for a few hours. Look, I totally get it if a proprietor doesn't want having prostitutes in your house -- then don't admit them. But if you do admit them for extra $$ and that's beyond the double occupancy, mind you, then fuck your morals. Hookers don't consume or tax any hotel resources, and there is no justification for the upcharge. Pure money grab.

New to the scene and just got into Bogota. Definitely a bit of a culture shock. Thanks to everyone for all the shared information. Would be even more lost without it.

If anyone is in town over the next few weeks and wants to meet for a drink, I'd love to learn the ropes first hand.

I will be arriving tomorrow for my first ever visit to Bogota. Been to Medellin 7 times in last 2 years, figured I'd change it up. I'm down to meet up and have some drinks and check out Santa Fe with others who may be here.

[QUOTE=Xmilar;2268852]First trip to Bogota coming up in a week or so and I need some advice. Hotel or air B&B? I have read that some hotels claim they are "guest friendly" but only when the guest is there at check or else you will have to pay a fee to bring them to your room in the evening?

Or is airB&b the way to go? I guess its important to book 2 guests for an air B&B listing or you could run into trouble? Any help is appreciated.[/QUOTE]I had no issues at the AirBNB rental I had in Bogota (Museo Parque Central in El Centro). The building was well secured and once they knew my face as someone was staying there, they opened the door without hesitation for me or my company.

My homeboy just stayed at the Hotel Ibis (near the Museo Nacional). He told me that he had zero problems taking chicas from Santa Fe back to his room.

Hi, I have a long layover at Bogota tomorrow, from 6 Am to 6 PM. I plan to visit some Spas. Where can I stay for 12 hours? I basically want a comfortable bed and a place to store my belongings. I'll certainly post my reports here.

[QUOTE=SonicBoom1;2277006]Hi, I have a long layover at Bogota tomorrow, from 6 Am to 6 PM. I plan to visit some Spas. Where can I stay for 12 hours? I basically want a comfortable bed and a place to store my belongings. I'll certainly post my reports here.[/QUOTE]If you want stay near chapinero places you can choose casa de guillermo hotel or if you want stay closer santa fe you can stay at Hotel El Virrey both places is cheap and not so bad I stayed myself before for long layovers

https://hotelcasaguillermo.es.tl

https://www.hotelelvirrey.com

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2277017]If you want stay near chapinero places you can choose casa de guillermo hotel or if you want stay closer santa fe you can stay at Hotel El Virrey both places is cheap and not so bad I stayed myself before for long layovers

https://hotelcasaguillermo.es.tl

https://www.hotelelvirrey.com[/QUOTE]Are these hotels girls friendly?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2277017]If you want stay near chapinero places you can choose casa de guillermo hotel or if you want stay closer santa fe you can stay at Hotel El Virrey both places is cheap and not so bad I stayed myself before for long layovers

https://hotelcasaguillermo.es.tl

https://www.hotelelvirrey.com[/QUOTE]Thanks for the quick response, Pokeris! I am wondering if I stay from 6 AM to 6 PM, do I have to pay for 2 days, or can I get away by paying for 1 day only? Also, if you know spanish, how can I say I want the room only for the day in spanish? Thanks again.

I would like a room for one day. = Me gustaría una habitación para un día.
From Google Translate.

[QUOTE=SonicBoom1;2277049]Thanks for the quick response, Pokeris! I am wondering if I stay from 6 AM to 6 PM, do I have to pay for 2 days, or can I get away by paying for 1 day only? Also, if you know spanish, how can I say I want the room only for the day in spanish? Thanks again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BogotaGringo;2276004]New to the scene and just got into Bogota. Definitely a bit of a culture shock. Thanks to everyone for all the shared information. Would be even more lost without it.

If anyone is in town over the next few weeks and wants to meet for a drink, I'd love to learn the ropes first hand.[/QUOTE]I also planed a little trip to Bogota for two, maybe weeks. I have been there 6 times and speak spanish very well. Anyone there in February from 26.02 till 16.04? My plan is to rent a airbnb apartment near Santa Fe and party hard. I mean really hard!!

[QUOTE=BogotaGringo;2276004]New to the scene and just got into Bogota. Definitely a bit of a culture shock. Thanks to everyone for all the shared information. Would be even more lost without it.

If anyone is in town over the next few weeks and wants to meet for a drink, I'd love to learn the ropes first hand.[/QUOTE]What aspects of the place do you find the biggest culture shock?

My last time in Santa Fe I meet a girl in a club named "Troya". We decided to go to the hostel with her friend and a bottle of Aguardiente. We spend the whole night together and it was a blast. We drank the whole bottle, and the girls gave me a nice blowjob. Later, when one of the girls went sleep, the other one gave me a crazy rimbjob. It was really crazy, she put the whole tongue inside. She was so horny. And couldn't stop it. This was the first rimjob in my life and it was a superb experience.

Team, Wonderful landscape to explore. Was going blind without maps just with locanto feeds / etc. Great to see the maps now in the forum. This place is way better than Medellin, Costa Rica, Tijuana. In terms of value.

3 times had very good 18,19 yrs bubbly young girls in Santa Fe. Although just 20 minutes shots for 35-40 K well worth. Been to Divas and Adhara. Saw the lineup, but came out. I am not a big fan of splurging. Part of the fun for me is to put in the time and search to find value. Been to few EMPs around Chapinero area. Quality wasn't up to mark. May be went at a bad time around 4 pm ish.

If anyone around and want to meetup between sessions, let me know guys!! Would love to exchange notes.

Cheers,

Kris.

Thanks a lot guys for your feedback about the altitude and uber / taxis in Bogota. I will be coming to Bogota in about 3 weeks.

What is Santa Fe really like during the day, because a while back people here were saying how great it was, and that there was a lot of action, but that it's best to leave before it gets dark. Then recently Jalle said it was pretty dead during the day and put up some photos showing only a few women, who in my eyes were certainly not worth visiting for! In reply some other forum members agreed that it's pretty useless in the day and all the action is at night!? So now I'm a bit confused. One of the main reasons I want to come to Bogota is to visit this area, so what's the real situation? Has the daytime scene got worse there since the police crackdown recently?

How far is it from the Transmilenio stop to Santa Fe RLD? Is it a safe walk during the day? If you visit Santa Fe at night, when leaving, is it safe to hail a cab? I am still a total novice when it comes to Uber which doesn't really exist where I leave. By the way, I will try to not carry anything non-essential on me, but what about a phone? Can't use maps / uber / take chica's numbers without it.

What's the general rule here, paying up front? If I'm asking for extra's I will usually pay the standard fee and then tell them 'I'll pay you for the extras if you actually perform them'. Usually they agree, would that approach work in Bogota?

The average chica on websites such as [URL]photosprepagados.com[/URL] is slim, relatively pretty with small tits. Is this just because that's the type Columbian guys prefer as escorts, or are they typical of Colombian women? Because I generally prefer curvier types. Somebody on the Medellin thread said that average women there are becoming heavier, not the same in Bogota? Will I find curvier ones in the clubs and Santa Fe than on the websites?

I did some research of all the domestic airlines routes in Colombia, as they don't all serve the obvious places. These seem to be the best ones with reasonable prices / baggage policies, from what I can tell and for the cities that were of interest to me. Maybe this info can be of use to some of the forum users;

WINGO

Bogota-Cartagena

Cali-Cartagena


VIVA AIR

Medellin-Bogota

Medellin-Cartagena

Medellin-Santa Marta

Bogota-Cartagena

Bogota-Santa Marta


AVIANCA

Barranquilla-Cali

Bogota-Medellin

Medellin-Cali

Bogota-Cartagena


LATAM

Bogota-Santa Marta

Bogota-Medellin

Santa Marta-Medellin

Medellin-Cali

Cali-Bogota

What's the safest way to travel from the airport to Chapinero? Is it possible to pre-book a taxi, or is there a regulated taxi stand at the airport? I speak Spanish and am a pretty aware guy, but at the same time there's no need to take risks at the start of your trip, when you have all your belongings.

Is Bogota a good city for cycling? When I check google maps, no street looks crazy busy or narrow, there are some cycle paths and the city is relatively flat, I think anyway.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2277174]Thanks a lot guys for your feedback about the altitude and uber / taxis in Bogota. I will be coming to Bogota in about 3 weeks.

What is Santa Fe really like during the day, because a while back people here were saying how great it was, and that there was a lot of action, but that it's best to leave before it gets dark. [/QUOTE]I will also be in Bogota in 3 weeks if you want me to take you down to Santa Fe at night and show you all the pussy you should be afraid of. The TM is in front of it. I have posted many pictures of it here before that I have taken walking back to my hotel late at night.

Dude. Just go outside and get into a taxi. You are really overthinking this trip. We can tell you 1 million times how to drive a boat. But until you get behind the helm it will all probably mean shit to you. And I gather that from these posts over and over about the same mundane things. Experience is the best teacher. Just get in the pool and swim. You already speak Spanish, which is a hell of an advantage over many of those that came before you, including ME my first time there.

On Sunday mornings a big route on the main thoroughfares is closed for cyclists.

And since this has not been mentioned here yet, I would like to add some fuel to the fire for all the scary people.

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-46904683[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2277198]I will also be in Bogota in 3 weeks if you want me to take you down to Santa Fe at night and show you all the pussy you should be afraid of. The TM is in front of it. I have posted many pictures of it here before that I have taken walking back to my hotel late at night.

Dude. Just go outside and get into a taxi. You are really overthinking this trip. We can tell you 1 million times how to drive a boat. But until you get behind the helm it will all probably mean shit to you. And I gather that from these posts over and over about the same mundane things. Experience is the best teacher. Just get in the pool and swim. You already speak Spanish, which is a hell of an advantage over many of those that came before you, including ME my first time there.

On Sunday mornings a big route on the main thoroughfares is closed for cyclists.[/QUOTE]I've asked some questions that are pretty important such as travelling from the airport, which I don't consider 'mundane'. Thanks for at least replying to 1 thing I wrote about, cycling. I know you think you're being helpful, but that's not the first time you just shut me down, so I would prefer if you don't 'try to help me' anymore. You put more effort into writing that I'm asking pointless questions than it would take you to giver answers. I may speak Spanish, but I haven't been to South America for 8 years and you don't know anything about me or my circumstances. So don't assume you know me please. Colombia may be a much safer country than it used to be, but it's not like going to Marbella, is it ? And if you're bored, find something else to do.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2277204]And since this has not been mentioned here yet, I would like to add some fuel to the fire for all the scary people.

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-46904683[/URL][/QUOTE]So you come across all 'Don't worry, chill out, just come on down' Then you put a link about a recent bombing in Bogota! Make your mind up dude!!

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2277210]I've asked some questions that are pretty important such as travelling from the airport, which I don't consider 'mundane'. Thanks for at least replying to 1 thing I wrote about, cycling. I know you think you're being helpful, but that's not the first time you just shut me down, so I would prefer if you don't 'try to help me' anymore. You put more effort into writing that I'm asking pointless questions than it would take you to giver answers. I may speak Spanish, but I haven't been to South America for 8 years and you don't know anything about me or my circumstances. So don't assume you know me please. Colombia may be a much safer country than it used to be, but it's not like going to Marbella, is it ? And if you're bored, find something else to do.[/QUOTE]Mr E 's answer is good actually. There is a Transmilenio stop right in front of Hotel San Francisco. It is been written about a few times because of the noise. The Transmilenio hub is near Museo Natioanal. You have to figure out which line you are going to take to know if it stops at Hotel San Francisco.

I walked around Santa Fe everyday day and night when I was there. I don't know Spanish. The point is some people got robbed but not everybody so no one can give you a guarantee about safety.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2277212]So you come across all 'Don't worry, chill out, just come on down' Then you put a link about a recent bombing in Bogota! Make your mind up dude!![/QUOTE]LOL. That is not stopping me from going. The bomb was not in Santa Fe! I will be there on the 8th then head to Barranquilla on the 9th. Then I will be back in Bogota on the 14th.

I remember when they were talking about Cuba zapping the ears of people at the US embassy in Havana and a guy on ISG changed his plans to go because of that. I went during that time and have not had too many problems with my ears since I got back.

[QUOTE=SonicBoom1;2277049]Thanks for the quick response, Pokeris! I am wondering if I stay from 6 AM to 6 PM, do I have to pay for 2 days, or can I get away by paying for 1 day only? Also, if you know spanish, how can I say I want the room only for the day in spanish? Thanks again.[/QUOTE]Why don't you check out some of the Love motels? There are many convenient to Chapinero, just a few blocks away from Pussy House. Most offer a 5 or 6 hour rate for a reasonable price. You'll get charged for a few extra hours, but probably cheaper and more convenient. Also don't have to worry about a charge for early check-in.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2277290]Why don't you check out some of the Love motels? There are many convenient to Chapinero, just a few blocks away from Pussy House. Most offer a 5 or 6 hour rate for a reasonable price. You'll get charged for a few extra hours, but probably cheaper and more convenient. Also don't have to worry about a charge for early check-in.[/QUOTE]Actually some love motels are more expensive. The hotel I usually stay in is 78K per night. One day when my girlfriend was at work I went to a love motel with this other chick. It was 99K for a couple of hours!

[QUOTE=BogieWogie33;2277129]My last time in Santa Fe I meet a girl in a club named "Troya". We decided to go to the hostel with her friend and a bottle of Aguardiente. We spend the whole night together and it was a blast. We drank the whole bottle, and the girls gave me a nice blowjob. Later, when one of the girls went sleep, the other one gave me a crazy rimbjob. It was really crazy, she put the whole tongue inside. She was so horny. And couldn't stop it. This was the first rimjob in my life and it was a superb experience.[/QUOTE]Very surprising that a Colombiana would give a rim job. Its so not in their culture. I've only got that from Asians.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2277210]I've asked some questions that are pretty important such as travelling from the airport, which I don't consider 'mundane'. Thanks for at least replying to 1 thing I wrote about, cycling. I know you think you're being helpful, but that's not the first time you just shut me down, so I would prefer if you don't 'try to help me' anymore. You put more effort into writing that I'm asking pointless questions than it would take you to giver answers. I may speak Spanish, but I haven't been to South America for 8 years and you don't know anything about me or my circumstances. So don't assume you know me please. Colombia may be a much safer country than it used to be, but it's not like going to Marbella, is it ? And if you're bored, find something else to do.[/QUOTE]OK, so when you are is Santa Fe, Ubers will not be an option be / see the Ubers don't pick people up from that location (they will drop you off be / see they had no choice, but they do have the choice to pick you up from there, which they don't) partly be / see Uber is illegal in Colombia so if the other Taxi's notice the Uber they will call the police, yell, or worse case scenario throw rocks at the Uber which is what Uber drivers told me that had happened and they prob don't want to pick mongers up from that location. There is a learning curve to using the Transmilenio which isn't worth it if you're only going to have a really short stay. Also, I stopped counting how many times I have seen people get robbed after dark at the transmilenio. (There are almost no cops at night and the Transmilenio is full of Venezueleans (Don't want to sound racist) who don't pay to get in because they run past the bus and car lanes and illegally jump into the station. They are usually tall and you will notice the crowd of people at the stations change at night to young males age 15-26. I had a friend who almost got robbed in the Bus. There were 2 guys who came into the semi empty-bus and out of all the seats they could choose, they chose the seats that were on his same row. One of the guys went ahead and sat by himself in the 2 empty seats in the same row but across the walking aisle to my friend but the other guy instead of sitting next to his buddy in the empty seat decided to sit right next to my friend. The guy was staring at my friends jean pocket and saw the shape of a phone within his jeans. The guy kept signaling looking at buddy and then started to do the cross sign (I kinds don't get why but I guess it's like saying "Jesus forgive me for what I'm about to do" My friend bolted out of there and got out at the next stop. If you're going alone, I would say just get a taxi and try not to have an accent LOL.

I contacted a girl whom I met at club Olimpia (Club in the North). She charged me 300 k for an hour but I negotiated to 150 k. She was hesitant on meeting me as she doesn't meet clients outside of the club. The majority of clients at the north clubs are rich old Colombian businessmen who go with friends and buy bottles and talk / flirt / dance with pretty chicas (overwhelmingly Colombian girls). These girls can charge / makeup insane prices hence why most mongers on this forum don't go there as once they hear your accent. You're done LOL but most Colombian clients don't even session with these girls either. She told me that a businessman who works at Davivienda bank paid her 1,000,000 once for a session at the club and he was so drunk that when he lied down on the bed he fell asleep LOL I paid 34 k for a 12 hour stay at a nice motel with a jacuzzi. This Colombian girl had a 9 face and a 8 body and was 20 years old. She brung weed for us to smoke and gave me the best sex I ever had (and I had a lot), she was true GFE. We ordered drinks, jacuzzi, shower together etc. She ended up staying the whole night and didn't ask for a tip.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2277515]Very surprising that a Colombiana would give a rim job. Its so not in their culture. I've only got that from Asians.[/QUOTE]You been to Brasil? In my experience, they do it way more than any other destination.

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2277535]OK, so when you are is Santa Fe, Ubers will not be an option be / see the Ubers don't pick people up from that location (they will drop you off be / see they had no choice, but they do have the choice to pick you up from there, which they don't) partly be / see Uber is illegal in Colombia so if the other Taxi's notice the Uber they will call the police, yell, or worse case scenario throw rocks at the Uber which is what Uber drivers told me that had happened and they prob don't want to pick mongers up from that location.[/QUOTE]Actually I posted pictures here last October of when an Uber picked me up in Santa Fe at about 4:30 am. Here it is once again.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2277721]Actually I posted pictures here last October of when an Uber picked me up in Santa Fe at about 4:30 am. Here it is once again.[/QUOTE]I've tried using Uber multiple times in Santa Fe and not once did it work. I either ended up waiting 35 minutes for them top pick me up and then the driver's cancelling before they can even get near Santa Fe or Uber endlessly trying to find a driver that would pick me up. Maybe it worked for you because it was at 4:30 am? At that time the majority of clubs are closed and there are a lot less people / cars and traffic there at that time. I always tried getting an Uber from 8:00 pm to 1:30 am don't know if that has something to do with it. I know that if you walk a couple blocks away from the center of Santa Fe it might work but isn't recommended as these streets can be more empty. I don't know how it worked for you. When I tried it, I ended up having to stare at my Iphone X on the streets of Santa Fe for half an hour waiting for an Uber that never showed up (I was with a friend and don't recommend you doing this alone).

[QUOTE=Combo;2277698]You been to Brasil? In my experience, they do it way more than any other destination.[/QUOTE]I've never been rimmed in Brazil but I do believe they would do it if asked, they're up for any thing. I've never asked as it's not in my repertoire. However, in Asia in some saunas its a mandatory part of the service provided by the wgs.

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2277535]OK, so when you are is Santa Fe, Ubers will not be an option be / see the Ubers don't pick people up from that location (they will drop you off be / see they had no choice, but they do have the choice to pick you up from there, which they don't) partly be / see Uber is illegal in Colombia so if the other Taxi's notice the Uber they will call the police, yell, or worse case scenario throw rocks at the Uber which is what Uber drivers told me that had happened and they prob don't want to pick mongers up from that location. There is a learning curve to using the Transmilenio which isn't worth it if you're only going to have a really short stay. Also, I stopped counting how many times I have seen people get robbed after dark at the transmilenio. (There are almost no cops at night and the Transmilenio is full of Venezueleans (Don't want to sound racist) who don't pay to get in because they run past the bus and car lanes and illegally jump into the station. They are usually tall and you will notice the crowd of people at the stations change at night to young males age 15-26. I had a friend who almost got robbed in the Bus. There were 2 guys who came into the semi empty-bus and out of all the seats they could choose, they chose the seats that were on his same row. One of the guys went ahead and sat by himself in the 2 empty seats in the same row but across the walking aisle to my friend but the other guy instead of sitting next to his buddy in the empty seat decided to sit right next to my friend. The guy was staring at my friends jean pocket and saw the shape of a phone within his jeans. The guy kept signaling looking at buddy and then started to do the cross sign (I kinds don't get why but I guess it's like saying "Jesus forgive me for what I'm about to do" My friend bolted out of there and got out at the next stop. If you're going alone, I would say just get a taxi and try not to have an accent LOL.[/QUOTE]Hi Bluecar, thanks for your helpful, though rather scary advice about the Transmilenio! Are they safe to use in the day at least? I will be going for 7 10 days, so may be worth me learning the routes. Uber sound like a pain to use there, especially if the Taxis are relatively cheap anyway. So, since Uber and Transmilenio are not recommended, is it easy and safe to hail a cab in Santa Fe at night at least?

Who can advise me about the best way to come from the airport, I looked at Routard's report but don't see anything there. And is Santa Fe relatively dead in the daytime or not? And are chica's paid upfront or afterwards, here in Belgium for example East European women take payment first whereas you can pay the Domininican chicas afterwards.

Is Bogota in general not safe to walk around after dark, ie 6 PM ? What about the nicer parts of Usaquen and Chapinero ? I know that for many American visitors this may seem fairly normal as you mainly drive everywhere, but for someone like me who comes from a European city where I can walk about all night if I wanted without a care in the world (Antwerp), that's pretty sad! I am an evening person, so when not mongering, just sitting in Cabs and going to shopping malls at night sounds really boring! Anyway, I will see how it is on the ground. Apologies in advance to Mr Enternational for asking 'mundane' questions and not just winging it, but would really appreciate any advice you guys can give me.

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2277535]............The guy kept signaling looking at buddy and then started to do the cross sign (I kinds don't get why but I guess it's like saying "Jesus forgive me for what I'm about to do" ..............[/QUOTE]The sign of the cross was more for like "Jesus, give me success in what I'm about to do".

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2277964]When I tried it, I ended up having to stare at my Iphone X on the streets of Santa Fe for half an hour waiting for an Uber that never showed up (I was with a friend and don't recommend you doing this alone).[/QUOTE]There is your problem right there (iPhone). I have a Samsung Galaxy. LOL. Really I have used it from there at all kinds of times and never a problem.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2278072]Who can advise me about the best way to come from the airport, I looked at Routard's report but don't see anything there. [/QUOTE]Ask your hotel to send a car to pick you up at airport. I will contact Woodman09 for guide service near Santa Fe. The best money I spent during my visit.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2278072]Hi Bluecar, thanks for your helpful, though rather scary advice about the Transmilenio! Are they safe to use in the day at least? I will be going for 7 10 days, so may be worth me learning the routes. Uber sound like a pain to use there, especially if the Taxis are relatively cheap anyway. So, since Uber and Transmilenio are not recommended, is it easy and safe to hail a cab in Santa Fe at night at least?

Who can advise me about the best way to come from the airport, I looked at Routard's report but don't see anything there. And is Santa Fe relatively dead in the daytime or not? And are chica's paid upfront or afterwards, here in Belgium for example East European women take payment first whereas you can pay the Domininican chicas afterwards.

Is Bogota in general not safe to walk around after dark, ie 6 PM ? What about the nicer parts of Usaquen and Chapinero ? I know that for many American visitors this may seem fairly normal as you mainly drive everywhere, but for someone like me who comes from a European city where I can walk about all night if I wanted without a care in the world (Antwerp), that's pretty sad! I am an evening person, so when not mongering, just sitting in Cabs and going to shopping malls at night sounds really boring! Anyway, I will see how it is on the ground. Apologies in advance to Mr Enternational for asking 'mundane' questions and not just winging it, but would really appreciate any advice you guys can give me.[/QUOTE]The best way to get from the airport depends on several things. My last 2 trips to Bogota were just for the weekend and I traveled light. For me the best way was to hop on the free, green SITP bus for Portal Dorado and catch the Transmilenio, then walk the last 3 blocks to my hotel.

Another way is to ask your hotel if they have a driver who does airport pickup. In that situation, it can be confusing because he will be parked in the lot and you'll have to figure out where to find him.

The easiest way is to walk out the door of the airport and find the guy running the taxi stand. Tell him where you are going, he will give you a ticket with the price and direct you to the taxi.

I've ridden every line of the Transmilenio end to end and have never had or seen a problem. I've been on when it was so crowded that everyone should have been wearing condoms. I've been on when it was basically empty. During rush hour traffic it's packed to capacity and beyond. During off hours it's not bad. It's a bumpy ride and you'll get bounced and jerked around, but it's the quickest way to get around.

Chicas are paid afterwards, except for strip clubs and some casas.

I've walked from the middle of Chapinero up to about Calle 130 during the day and night, up to about 11:30 pm. There is always a risk, but I felt reasonably safe.

JjBee62 and WindAngel, thanks a lot for your helpful feedback! Is the taxi stand at the airport regulated and trustworthy then? I'll probably be staying at an Airbnb, still have to book it. So maybe I can ask the owners for a pick up service. I'll look into it.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2278198]Is the taxi stand at the airport regulated and trustworthy then?[/QUOTE]There is a taxi stand with an official person directing you. I believe they will give you a receipt. Plus they have cameras everywhere. It should be safe. But, as a tourist, every taxi I took at the airport attempted to scam me. Normally just for a small amount, but one time it was ridiculous. I know a girl that will never go back to Colombia because she got extorted for $50 or $80 USD. Probably the same way one taxi driver tried to scam me. When I asked how much, he pointed to the meter, which was a ridiculous amount if you don't use the chart.

A good App to use to calculate the taxi fare is "Calculadora de Tarifas", which has all the necessary inputs for the surcharges. IMO, the airport taxi is safe. Just know what the fare is, be polite, and have exact change. Just like most airports in the world.

I'm from America, and I always tip, especially since they always help you with your luggage. But I hate it when they try to add to the fare without me adding the tip.

There is a coupon service (pre-paid) for a mini-van (as of last May). It cost more, but that's what you might be looking for.

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2277964]I've tried using Uber multiple times in Santa Fe and not once did it work. I either ended up waiting 35 minutes for them top pick me up and then the driver's cancelling before they can even get near Santa Fe or Uber endlessly trying to find a driver that would pick me up. Maybe it worked for you because it was at 4:30 am? At that time the majority of clubs are closed and there are a lot less people / cars and traffic there at that time. I always tried getting an Uber from 8:00 pm to 1:30 am don't know if that has something to do with it.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is a pain the rear to get Uber in Santa Fe, but I've eventually get one. I've gotten it many times around midnite. The problem is that many Uber drivers don't want to pick up in Santa Fe. The Uber App will sometimes say that all its driver are busy. Then you just have to try again. Once a female driver accepted; she was 15 minutes away; she got near my area, and she cancelled. Then I just had to try again. It normally takes me between 10 to 20 minutes to get Uber. Worst case was about 30 minutes.

10 or 20 minute wait is a pain. Next time I'm thinking of using the taxis that's waiting in front of the main clubs. Logically, it seems that it should be safe. Do you use the meter or is it a flat rate? There is a person in a uniform that calls and opens the taxi door. Does he work for the clubs? Do you tip him?

Also, I always put down Troya as the pick-up location. Uber App will put the "preferred pick-up location" at the back entrance. Uber cannot pick or drop you off on that main street.

I usually use Uber. I like that I don't have to tell the taxi driver the address with my bad Spanish accent, or show them the location on Google Maps. But Uber has its bad points. The additional wait and the dreaded surge pricing.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2278181]Another way is to ask your hotel if they have a driver who does airport pickup. In that situation, it can be confusing because he will be parked in the lot and you'll have to figure out where to find him.[/QUOTE]Now that will get him scammed. Once me and my girlfriend were at the Courtyard Hotel trying to get an Uber to go downtown. Those mfs kept canceling though and it was raining so we decided to take that hotel car without asking the prices. We got downtown and that mf said 28K. I cussed his ass out. I told him that we could have gone from the airport to downtown AND back for that much. He said don't be mad at him, because the hotel sets the prices. I think he ended up knocking it down to 25K though.

I still say he is putting too much thought into getting from the airport. I have always just walked outside and hopped into the first taxi that pulls up. No big deal. Even in Vietnam where I can't even say hello in the local language, a report on ISG said take this kind of taxi. I walked outside and got into that kind of taxi and showed the address of where I was going. Cut and dry.

Or if you are that timid about it, go with one of those guys that come up to you saying taxi when you walk out of Customs. No idea what they charge though. Or ask the hotel (air bnb owner in his case) how much a taxi should be from the airport and tell one of those guys that you will pay that amount to go there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2278304]Now that will get him scammed. Once me and my girlfriend were at the Courtyard Hotel trying to get an Uber to go downtown. Those mfs kept canceling though and it was raining so we decided to take that hotel car without asking the prices. We got downtown and that mf said 28K. I cussed his ass out. I told him that we could have gone from the airport to downtown AND back for that much. He said don't be mad at him, because the hotel sets the prices. I think he ended up knocking it down to 25K though.

I still say he is putting too much thought into getting from the airport. I have always just walked outside and hopped into the first taxi that pulls up. No big deal. Even in Vietnam where I can't even say hello in the local language, a report on ISG said take this kind of taxi. I walked outside and got into that kind of taxi and showed the address of where I was going. Cut and dry.

Or if you are that timid about it, go with one of those guys that come up to you saying taxi when you walk out of Customs. No idea what they charge though. Or ask the hotel (air bnb owner in his case) how much a taxi should be from the airport and tell one of those guys that you will pay that amount to go there.[/QUOTE]The hotels usually have set rates for the airport. There's a surcharge. Probably won't get scammed, but will pay more than the going rate.

As for the guys saying taxi inside the airport I can tell you what they charge. Took one late night, first time in Bogota, to hotel near Parque 93. Got there and he asked for $60. The hotel security asked him how much and he repeatedly it. He asked again and it dropped to 60 k. He gave him a brief lecture and told me 40 k, which was still about 15 k too much.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2278131]Ask your hotel to send a car to pick you up at airport. I will contact Woodman09 for guide service near Santa Fe. The best money I spent during my visit.[/QUOTE]Hey,

Thanks, Just want to say the last few weeks following Christmas were not great here, I actually was in SF on New Years and everything was closed. There were lots of Venezolanos partying and throwing firecrackers. They have taken over Santa Fe it is literally a Venezuelan village.

But this week the Girls are back!

Been lurking for a while and currently considering a trip to Bogota. RTFF but still have a few questions I was hoping the seniors could help answer.

An FAQ mentioned that April-May is the rainy season. How bad are we talking usually and does this affect the scene at all? I've been through east Asia and SEA a few times, and was wondering how Colombian rainy season compares.

Obviously having Spanish proficiency would be a huge plus with the girls, but it seems like it's doable without. I'm wondering how difficult it would be to navigate the city without any Spanish skills. Seems like a few members have hired personal drivers in the past, but many posts also mention very few cabbies know English and Uber's tend to avoid Santa Fe. Would you recommend trying to find a driver for a beginner?

Many thanks in advance, I'd be more than happy to answer questions about China and Japan for those interested.

[QUOTE=Aster14;2278585]Obviously having Spanish proficiency would be a huge plus with the girls, but it seems like it's doable without. I'm wondering how difficult it would be to navigate the city without any Spanish skills. Seems like a few members have hired personal drivers in the past, but many posts also mention very few cabbies know English and Uber's tend to avoid Santa Fe. Would you recommend trying to find a driver for a beginner?[/QUOTE]Not sure if Uber avoid Santa Fe but you can always get a taxi. Check the map, you can walk to Hotel SF and call Uber from there. Uber in general is not reliable but it does work. Just need to prepare for longer wait time because the driver frequently got stuck or lost, then cancel the trip.

The street is named using number in a way that it is not difficult to communicate with taxi dive even if you don't know Spanish. You can find a few posts about it.

Regarding Uber, first you wrote

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2278125]There is your problem right there (iPhone). I have a Samsung Galaxy. LOL. Really I have used it from there at all kinds of times and never a problem.[/QUOTE].

But yesterday you wrote

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2278304]Once me and my girlfriend were at the Courtyard Hotel trying to get an Uber to go downtown. Those mfs kept canceling though and it was raining so we decided to take that hotel car without asking the prices. .[/QUOTE].

Kind of contradicting yourself there!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2278304]Now that will get him scammed. Once me and my girlfriend were at the Courtyard Hotel trying to get an Uber to go downtown. Those mfs kept canceling though and it was raining so we decided to take that hotel car without asking the prices. We got downtown and that mf said 28K. I cussed his ass out. I told him that we could have gone from the airport to downtown AND back for that much. He said don't be mad at him, because the hotel sets the prices. I think he ended up knocking it down to 25K though.

I still say he is putting too much thought into getting from the airport. I have always just walked outside and hopped into the first taxi that pulls up. No big deal. Even in Vietnam where I can't even say hello in the local language, a report on ISG said take this kind of taxi. I walked outside and got into that kind of taxi and showed the address of where I was going. Cut and dry.

Or if you are that timid about it, go with one of those guys that come up to you saying taxi when you walk out of Customs. No idea what they charge though. Or ask the hotel (air bnb owner in his case) how much a taxi should be from the airport and tell one of those guys that you will pay that amount to go there.[/QUOTE]I am not that dumb thank you! There is a difference between that and planning things. When I have rented with Airbnb or stayed in Hotels for the first time in a city, I've often asked them to arrange airport pickups for me, but of course I would ask the price first! And I would NEVER go with somebody shouting 'taxi taxi' at me when leaving arrivals, I am not that naive! There's nothing overly cautious with asking if airport taxi's are generally reliable and regulated or not, in some cities they are, in others not at all!

When I am in Bogota, I will keep a low profile. You won't catch me getting into Hotel taxi's without asking the price first (!) or swearing at Hotel taxi drivers and generally looking for trouble!

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2279067]Regarding Uber, first you wrote

.

But yesterday you wrote

.

Kind of contradicting yourself there![/QUOTE]Not at all. He stated not being able to get an Uber from Santa Fe. The Courtyard Hotel is not located in Santa Fe! The reason for them canceling is because of the one way street system in Bogota. It has been discussed here before. A car may be right near you, but it may take him 10 minutes to get to you because of the way the streets are set up. L.

OK so 2 weeks ago went to Lido on a Monday night. I was only guy there I counted 90 girls a couple of real beauties. Lot more flacas than I remembered from 2 years ago. For the first 20 minutes they just stood around my couch the less hot ones trying their English. 50 k for a corona. I had 2 then finally called over the one I liked most she had blonde hair slim body no operations braces supposedly in her 6th semester of medicine working here for tuition. She wanted 800 k plus salida for the whole night until 5 am it was already 2 am. I said that was a lot she said OK 700 k for in lido shell cover the room fee. I said I was thinking more like 200 k one of these afternoons in a motel. She got up and left. Its possible a Colombian could pull it off but now way is she letting a chichipato gringo get away with a discount. Girls there have exact same bodies as Santa Fe its just that their dressed nicer more elegant.

Then last week I went with Montserrat a Cuban big tit big ass girl at mezzanine 8 for 120 k she worked hard all w condom.

Take care.

Tom power.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2277182]What's the safest way to travel from the airport to Chapinero? Is it possible to pre-book a taxi, or is there a regulated taxi stand at the airport? I speak Spanish and am a pretty aware guy, but at the same time there's no need to take risks at the start of your trip, when you have all your belongings.

Is Bogota a good city for cycling? When I check google maps, no street looks crazy busy or narrow, there are some cycle paths and the city is relatively flat, I think anyway.[/QUOTE]Bogota is EXCELLENT for cycling. You may want to avoid rush hours, though.

[QUOTE=TomPower;2279506]OK so 2 weeks ago went to Lido on a Monday night. I was only guy there I counted 90 girls a couple of real beauties. Lot more flacas than I remembered from 2 years ago. For the first 20 minutes they just stood around my couch the less hot ones trying their English. 50 k for a corona. I had 2 then finally called over the one I liked most she had blonde hair slim body no operations braces supposedly in her 6th semester of medicine working here for tuition. She wanted 800 k plus salida for the whole night until 5 am it was already 2 am. I said that was a lot she said OK 700 k for in lido shell cover the room fee. I said I was thinking more like 200 k one of these afternoons in a motel. She got up and left. Its possible a Colombian could pull it off but now way is she letting a chichipato gringo get away with a discount. Girls there have exact same bodies as Santa Fe its just that their dressed nicer more elegant.

Then last week I went with Montserrat a Cuban big tit big ass girl at mezzanine 8 for 120 k she worked hard all w condom.

Take care.

Tom power.[/QUOTE]It's not just the same bodies. It's 90% of the time the same GIRLS.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2279071]I am not that dumb thank you! There is a difference between that and planning things. When I have rented with Airbnb or stayed in Hotels for the first time in a city, I've often asked them to arrange airport pickups for me, but of course I would ask the price first! And I would NEVER go with somebody shouting 'taxi taxi' at me when leaving arrivals, I am not that naive! There's nothing overly cautious with asking if airport taxi's are generally reliable and regulated or not, in some cities they are, in others not at all!

When I am in Bogota, I will keep a low profile. You won't catch me getting into Hotel taxi's without asking the price first (!) or swearing at Hotel taxi drivers and generally looking for trouble![/QUOTE]I'm a huge fan of Uber from the airport.

The last time I took a taxi from the airport I was with two friends coming in from out of town. I wanted to walk the block or so to the traffic circle to get the Uber, and they said screw it, let's just get a taxi that's right here waiting for us.

15 minutes into the trip I noticed the meter was about double it was supposed to be. This despite my warnings to the driver not to try and mess around with us. I told my friends to run in and get their bags the exact moment we got to our destination. Once they had their bags safe, I told that piece of garbage driver (who was trying to charge us 40 k for a 20 k trip) that I knew he was using a "muñeco" (slang for an illegal device used to advance the meter, usually a knee lever), and that I was going to call the police on him right then unless he accepted the 20 k it should have been. He cursed me out but took the 20 and left without any problems.

In any other city in Colombia I've never had a problem like that. In Bogota, unfortunately, it's routine. Take Uber as much as possible, people!

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2278251]There is a taxi stand with an official person directing you. I believe they will give you a receipt. Plus they have cameras everywhere. It should be safe. But, as a tourist, every taxi I took at the airport attempted to scam me. Normally just for a small amount, but one time it was ridiculous. I know a girl that will never go back to Colombia because she got extorted for $50 or $80 USD. Probably the same way one taxi driver tried to scam me. When I asked how much, he pointed to the meter, which was a ridiculous amount if you don't use the chart.

A good App to use to calculate the taxi fare is "Calculadora de Tarifas", which has all the necessary inputs for the surcharges. IMO, the airport taxi is safe. Just know what the fare is, be polite, and have exact change. Just like most airports in the world.

I'm from America, and I always tip, especially since they always help you with your luggage. But I hate it when they try to add to the fare without me adding the tip.

There is a coupon service (pre-paid) for a mini-van (as of last May). It cost more, but that's what you might be looking for.

Yes, it is a pain the rear to get Uber in Santa Fe, but I've eventually get one. I've gotten it many times around midnite. The problem is that many Uber drivers don't want to pick up in Santa Fe. The Uber App will sometimes say that all its driver are busy. Then you just have to try again. Once a female driver accepted; she was 15 minutes away; she got near my area, and she cancelled. Then I just had to try again. It normally takes me between 10 to 20 minutes to get Uber. Worst case was about 30 minutes.

10 or 20 minute wait is a pain. Next time I'm thinking of using the taxis that's waiting in front of the main clubs. Logically, it seems that it should be safe. Do you use the meter or is it a flat rate? There is a person in a uniform that calls and opens the taxi door. Does he work for the clubs? Do you tip him?

Also, I always put down Troya as the pick-up location. Uber App will put the "preferred pick-up location" at the back entrance. Uber cannot pick or drop you off on that main street.

I usually use Uber. I like that I don't have to tell the taxi driver the address with my bad Spanish accent, or show them the location on Google Maps. But Uber has its bad points. The additional wait and the dreaded surge pricing.[/QUOTE]Taking a taxi from Santa Fe is a GUARANTEED fake surcharge from the driver.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2279759]It's not just the same bodies. It's 90% of the time the same GIRLS.[/QUOTE]No way, the Lido girls are def better. I heard that they have to pay the club like 100 k a day to be there and that's prob why they charge so high. While in Santa Fe the margins are a lot lower so they are cheaper but they session with A LOT more guys everyday.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2279760] In any other city in Colombia I've never had a problem like that. In Bogota, unfortunately, it's routine. Take Uber as much as possible, people![/QUOTE]Sorry for what happened. However, a couple of things I wanted to share in order to temper it:

- taxidrivers have a shitty job, they work 12 hours a day 6 days a week driving in a traffic that I cannot endure more that 2 hours with my own car before I turn mad and this for roughly 1 000 000 a month.

- you might notice at the airport a parking for taxis with hundreds of taxis waiting. Actually, they have to wait 1-2 hours before they finally can pick up a client at airport. Airport overcharge of 5 000 hardly pay this lost time.

- Uber might be convenient sometimes, but I do not agree that they charge 25% of the ride just for their app. Uber is illegal, they don't pay taxes or insurance in Colombia, so it's just sending 25% of your money to an oversea company, not exactly the best way to help Colombian economy to develop.

[QUOTE=Routard;2279962]Sorry for what happened. However, a couple of things I wanted to share in order to temper it:

- taxidrivers have a shitty job, they work 12 hours a day 6 days a week driving in a traffic that I cannot endure more that 2 hours with my own car before I turn mad and this for roughly 1 000 000 a month.

- you might notice at the airport a parking for taxis with hundreds of taxis waiting. Actually, they have to wait 1-2 hours before they finally can pick up a client at airport. Airport overcharge of 5 000 hardly pay this lost time.

- Uber might be convenient sometimes, but I do not agree that they charge 25% of the ride just for their app. Uber is illegal, they don't pay taxes or insurance in Colombia, so it's just sending 25% of your money to an oversea company, not exactly the best way to help Colombian economy to develop.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I do not care about any of that. All I care about is getting to my destination as quick, safe, comfortable, and cheap as I can. Nobody is forced to work for either Uber or the taxi companies. If you feel that you are not being treated fairly at a job then go find another one. There is no reason to try to rip the customers off.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2279759]It's not just the same bodies. It's 90% of the time the same GIRLS.[/QUOTE]I suspect many Lido Girls work in Santa Fe, and vice versa. There might be a few. But you can definitely find Lido quality girls in the clubs in Santa Fe for a fraction of the cost, just less in #'s, but they are there. Lido got more 8 and above girls under the same roof, but they certainly charge you for the convenience and security.

Thanks again for all the advice guys! I'm not having as much luck as I thought finding nice reasonably priced Airbnb places in Chapinero. Who could recommend me a good Apparthotel type place there ? I've only found one so far which looks reasonable and has good reviews (apartamentos Percales) Thanks!

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2279760]I'm a huge fan of Uber from the airport.

The last time I took a taxi from the airport I was with two friends coming in from out of town. I wanted to walk the block or so to the traffic circle to get the Uber, and they said screw it, let's just get a taxi that's right here waiting for us.

15 minutes into the trip I noticed the meter was about double it was supposed to be. This despite my warnings to the driver not to try and mess around with us. I told my friends to run in and get their bags the exact moment we got to our destination. Once they had their bags safe, I told that piece of garbage driver (who was trying to charge us 40 k for a 20 k trip) that I knew he was using a "mueco" (slang for an illegal device used to advance the meter, usually a knee lever), and that I was going to call the police on him right then unless he accepted the 20 k it should have been. He cursed me out but took the 20 and left without any problems.

In any other city in Colombia I've never had a problem like that. In Bogota, unfortunately, it's routine. Take Uber as much as possible, people![/QUOTE]Can't you agree a fixed price with the taxi driver before starting the trip ? That's what I often do in such circumstances. How can you tell if they're using devices like a knee lever, can you see it?

[QUOTE=TomPower;2279506]OK so 2 weeks ago went to Lido on a Monday night. I was only guy there I counted 90 girls a couple of real beauties. Lot more flacas than I remembered from 2 years ago. For the first 20 minutes they just stood around my couch the less hot ones trying their English. 50 k for a corona. I had 2 then finally called over the one I liked most she had blonde hair slim body no operations braces supposedly in her 6th semester of medicine working here for tuition. She wanted 800 k plus salida for the whole night until 5 am it was already 2 am. I said that was a lot she said OK 700 k for in lido shell cover the room fee. I said I was thinking more like 200 k one of these afternoons in a motel. She got up and left. Its possible a Colombian could pull it off but now way is she letting a chichipato gringo get away with a discount. Girls there have exact same bodies as Santa Fe its just that their dressed nicer more elegant.

Then last week I went with Montserrat a Cuban big tit big ass girl at mezzanine 8 for 120 k she worked hard all w condom.

Take care.

Tom power.[/QUOTE]The average online price for chicas in Bogota is around 150 K per hour according to sites like [URL]prepagados.com[/URL], ranging from as low as 80 k and as high as 250 k. I guess you have to account for some extras too. But 800 K!? That's 220 Euro and is much more than I would pay here in Belgium! Seems there is a crazy range of prices there, from the ridiculously low in Santa Fe, to the total ripoff prices such as at Lido! Don't think I'll be bothering visiting there!

[QUOTE=ViajandoMusico;2280051]I suspect many Lido Girls work in Santa Fe, and vice versa. There might be a few. But you can definitely find Lido quality girls in the clubs in Santa Fe for a fraction of the cost, just less in #'s, but they are there. Lido got more 8 and above girls under the same roof, but they certainly charge you for the convenience and security.[/QUOTE]Yes, more than 90% more like 98%+ They go to clubs like Lidos to try and hit the Gringo jack-pot. If no jack-pot they head to Santa Fe.

[QUOTE=ViajandoMusico;2280051]I suspect many Lido Girls work in Santa Fe, and vice versa. There might be a few. But you can definitely find Lido quality girls in the clubs in Santa Fe for a fraction of the cost, just less in #'s, but they are there. Lido got more 8 and above girls under the same roof, but they certainly charge you for the convenience and security.[/QUOTE]No. Not at all. I have never seen a girl from the North that went to work at Santa Fe. I asked many of them and they all said that they wouldn't even consider it because they view Santa Fe as "dirty"(which it is to be fair), dangerous, and too low pay. These Lido Girls aren't desperate for money so they aren't willing to fuck 20 guys a day, everyday and possibly get an STD and / or become pregnant (happens a lot in Colombia if you haven't noticed). Girls from the North consider themselves lets say "finas" (Upper Class) and the majority of the northern club clients are old rich Colombian men and sure, there are times foreigners go to these clubs (I would say half of foreigners that go are Asian expats). It's weird how these girls do discriminate against the girls from the South (Santa Fe etc) because they do have higher standards for their "temporary profession". Think about it, the other guy (Tom Power) offered the Lido girl 200 k to meet some other day and she just got up and left him. A Santa Fe girl would never say no to that LOL Now Santa Fe girl's probably do try out and try to make money in the northern clubs but they don't last as Colombian Clients can see right through them and they view these girls as "ugly" ,"used" and "undesirable" that they certainly aren't going to spend good money on them and I heard some clubs charge theses girls 100 k to just work there for a day so these Santa Fe girls end up losing money and go back to Santa Fe. But the Vice Versa I would say never happens.

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2280910]These Lido Girls aren't desperate for money[/QUOTE]I wish ISG posters make up their GD minds. In one corner we have those that say girls are forced into the game because they are really poor and are desperate for money. In another corner we have people that say they are hookers, but are not desperate for money. So which is it? Why are these girls hookers if they don't need the money?

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2280910]No. Not at all. I have never seen a girl from the North that went to work at Santa Fe. I asked many of them and they all said that they wouldn't even consider it because they view Santa Fe as "dirty"(which it is to be fair), dangerous, and too low pay. These Lido Girls aren't desperate for money so they aren't willing to fuck 20 guys a day, everyday and possibly get an STD and / or become pregnant (happens a lot in Colombia if you haven't noticed). Girls from the North consider themselves lets say "finas" (Upper Class) and the majority of the northern club clients are old rich Colombian men and sure, there are times foreigners go to these clubs (I would say half of foreigners that go are Asian expats). It's weird how these girls do discriminate against the girls from the South (Santa Fe etc) because they do have higher standards for their "temporary profession". Think about it, the other guy (Tom Power) offered the Lido girl 200 k to meet some other day and she just got up and left him. A Santa Fe girl would never say no to that LOL Now Santa Fe girl's probably do try out and try to make money in the northern clubs but they don't last as Colombian Clients can see right through them and they view these girls as "ugly" ,"used" and "undesirable" that they certainly aren't going to spend good money on them and I heard some clubs charge theses girls 100 k to just work there for a day so these Santa Fe girls end up losing money and go back to Santa Fe. But the Vice Versa I would say never happens.[/QUOTE]I have been to Lidos 3 x last year.

Yes they are hotter and considerably different than Sante Fe girls. However totally not worth what they are charging.

I do agree Most of these girls are not working Sante Fe. Maybe it was different before but there is a considerable difference with the looks and class of these girls.

With that said these girls are not worth it unless they would provide PSE service. Which they don't because they sit on their high horse. This is why all 3 times I went there was a complete different group of girls.

Based on numbers alone when you can tell most of these girls do not get a client most nights. The ones that do get picked all the time will not come down on their price.

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2280910]No. Not at all. I have never seen a girl from the North that went to work at Santa Fe. I asked many of them and they all said that they wouldn't even consider it because they view Santa Fe as "dirty"(which it is to be fair), dangerous, and too low pay. These Lido Girls aren't desperate for money so they aren't willing to fuck 20 guys a day, everyday and possibly get an STD and / or become pregnant (happens a lot in Colombia if you haven't noticed). Girls from the North consider themselves lets say "finas" (Upper Class) and the majority of the northern club clients are old rich Colombian men and sure, there are times foreigners go to these clubs (I would say half of foreigners that go are Asian expats). It's weird how these girls do discriminate against the girls from the South (Santa Fe etc) because they do have higher standards for their "temporary profession". Think about it, the other guy (Tom Power) offered the Lido girl 200 k to meet some other day and she just got up and left him. A Santa Fe girl would never say no to that LOL Now Santa Fe girl's probably do try out and try to make money in the northern clubs but they don't last as Colombian Clients can see right through them and they view these girls as "ugly" ,"used" and "undesirable" that they certainly aren't going to spend good money on them and I heard some clubs charge theses girls 100 k to just work there for a day so these Santa Fe girls end up losing money and go back to Santa Fe. But the Vice Versa I would say never happens.[/QUOTE]I have been to Lidos 3 x last year.

Yes they are hotter and considerably different than Sante Fe girls. However totally not worth what they are charging.

I do agree Most of these girls are not working Sante Fe. Maybe it was different before but there is a considerable difference with the looks and class of these girls.

With that said these girls are not worth it unless they would provide PSE service. Which they don't because they sit on their high horse. This is why all 3 times I went there was a complete different group of girls.

Based on numbers alone when you can tell most of these girls do not get a client most nights. The ones that do get picked all the time will not come down on their price.

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2280910]No. Not at all. I have never seen a girl from the North that went to work at Santa Fe. I asked many of them and they all said that they wouldn't even consider it because they view Santa Fe as "dirty"(which it is to be fair), dangerous, and too low pay. These Lido Girls aren't desperate for money so they aren't willing to fuck 20 guys a day, everyday and possibly get an STD and / or become pregnant (happens a lot in Colombia if you haven't noticed). Girls from the North consider themselves lets say "finas" (Upper Class) and the majority of the northern club clients are old rich Colombian men and sure, there are times foreigners go to these clubs (I would say half of foreigners that go are Asian expats). It's weird how these girls do discriminate against the girls from the South (Santa Fe etc) because they do have higher standards for their "temporary profession". Think about it, the other guy (Tom Power) offered the Lido girl 200 k to meet some other day and she just got up and left him. A Santa Fe girl would never say no to that LOL Now Santa Fe girl's probably do try out and try to make money in the northern clubs but they don't last as Colombian Clients can see right through them and they view these girls as "ugly" ,"used" and "undesirable" that they certainly aren't going to spend good money on them and I heard some clubs charge theses girls 100 k to just work there for a day so these Santa Fe girls end up losing money and go back to Santa Fe. But the Vice Versa I would say never happens.[/QUOTE]I don't know if they are the same but it does not matter. I did this imaginary thing that I took their clothes off in my head, then I realized they are the same, ha ha.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2280927]I wish ISG posters make up their GD minds. In one corner we have those that say girls are forced into the game because they are really poor and are desperate for money. In another corner we have people that say they are hookers, but are not desperate for money. So which is it? Why are these girls hookers if they don't need the money?[/QUOTE]Haven't you heard? They are all virgins and they really would never consider doing this, but you're just so handsome that they can't resist, and they are only charging you, because their religion prohibits premarital sex, but allows prostitution.

Whenever guys start talking about "never", "always" and "none", they are feeding you a line of crap. How many guys out there have hit every north club and every Santa Fe club, every night for 15-20 nights straight, keeping track of every girl working in every club on each night? Until someone does that we'll never know how many girls work both ends of the economic scale. It's somewhere between none and all.

I guess it's comforting to believe that the girl charging 600-800 k is from an estrato 5 family and that she only sees 1 or 2 guys a week. The confusing part is when guys think the girls making 50 k a session are doing 20 guys a day. My trusty calculator tells me they're making over 20 million COP / month if that's the case. That's assuming no weekend or holiday work. I'm wondering, where do they all park their BMWs?

How do Lido girls compare to those in Loutrons in Medellin?

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2279762]Taking a taxi from Santa Fe is a GUARANTEED fake surcharge from the driver.[/QUOTE]No, not for me or many others anyhow.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2281045]Haven't you heard? They are all virgins and they really would never consider doing this, but you're just so handsome that they can't resist, and they are only charging you, because their religion prohibits premarital sex, but allows prostitution.

Whenever guys start talking about "never", "always" and "none", they are feeding you a line of crap. How many guys out there have hit every north club and every Santa Fe club, every night for 15-20 nights straight, keeping track of every girl working in every club on each night? Until someone does that we'll never know how many girls work both ends of the economic scale. It's somewhere between none and all.

I guess it's comforting to believe that the girl charging 600-800 k is from an estrato 5 family and that she only sees 1 or 2 guys a week. The confusing part is when guys think the girls making 50 k a session are doing 20 guys a day. My trusty calculator tells me they're making over 20 million COP / month if that's the case. That's assuming no weekend or holiday work. I'm wondering, where do they all park their BMWs?[/QUOTE]True everything stated!

I might ad that in Medellin, a number of times I have seen very pretty girls walking and offering in centro just looking to make a quick 80 or 100 mil BEFORE they head to work at La Isla and / or Fase Dos or the like higher end clubs.

They are too pretty in centro, over by the paseo in Botero plaza area, that they look out of place, I could swear they are normal girls just passing through but looking to make some extra spending money.

The one girl I took to a love motel was irresistible and it was before she was to head to La Isla for the night, I was kind enough to warm her up, jajaja.

Just my 2 pesos!

The Tall Man.

Yeah I had same observation. But generally in any country they are businesses that only serve rich people. I have been in South East Asian countries like Thailand and even there you can find places that charge $300-$400 for a girl. I'm going to stick to the privded maps and Santa Fe or places like Pussy House. Might just visit Lido for a beer. I'm a little nervous that I'm going to visit Santa Fe at night but I'm going to dress down and stick to Calle 15. I'm also planning to buy a dummy iPhone for $20 and happily hand it to anyone who tries to kidnap me. Thankfully I'm not white (I live in California but I'm middle eastern). I think Bogota is the only place that I'm happy that I don't have blonde hair / blue eyes and even preferred to look more like Bin Laden. Nobody going to kidnap someone with that face. By the way when are you planning to visit? I'm thinking of March 7th-17th.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2280546]The average online price for chicas in Bogota is around 150 K per hour according to sites like [URL]prepagados.com[/URL], ranging from as low as 80 k and as high as 250 k. I guess you have to account for some extras too. But 800 K!? That's 220 Euro and is much more than I would pay here in Belgium! Seems there is a crazy range of prices there, from the ridiculously low in Santa Fe, to the total ripoff prices such as at Lido! Don't think I'll be bothering visiting there![/QUOTE]

I will repeat.

There is no difference between a girl in Santa Fe and in Lido. Same body. Different clothes nothing more. If you want a hardened hooker with nicer clothes a little more polish IE. English and a more believable back story of why she's in a prostibulo then clip joints in the north of Bogota like lidos are the place to go. But the same exact girls are waiting in the bars of Santa Fe. They are wearing less fashionable clothes (jeans etc) but exact same bodies even girls with fake boobs and rear are there. Its just that they are more focused on 70 k for 15 minutes than the northern girls who score a big hit 500 k every few days.

OK don't get mad.

Were all in this together.

Tom Power.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2281162]How do Lido girls compare to those in Loutrons in Medellin?[/QUOTE]La Isla in Medellin is better than Lido.

Has anyone actually tried this place? Is it a hotel for overnight, or just by the hour?

Who attends the parties? What happens at the parejas parties? Pool parties?

I am sure it is not cheap, but what exactly is the deal?

[URL]http://flirtbogota.co/flirt/[/URL]

[QUOTE=XBoyx;2281384]Yeah I had same observation. But generally in any country they are businesses that only serve rich people. I have been in South East Asian countries like Thailand and even there you can find places that charge $300-$400 for a girl. I'm going to stick to the privded maps and Santa Fe or places like Pussy House. Might just visit Lido for a beer. I'm a little nervous that I'm going to visit Santa Fe at night but I'm going to dress down and stick to Calle 15. I'm also planning to buy a dummy iPhone for $20 and happily hand it to anyone who tries to kidnap me. [/QUOTE]Man you have me in stitches over here. Kidnap you? If they kidnap you they will have to feed you. Just tell them you eat too much to be kidnapped.

You are going to look like a moron walking up and down the same street. I will bet pesos to peanuts that you wonder about the other streets and go take a look. Why do you guys imagine Santa Fe and downtown Medellíand to be war zones?

In Thailand I was at the $30 spot in the daytime. My brother was talking to one chick that said she had to leave soon because she works at the $100+ spot at night and they have to do her hair and makeup before she starts.

I used "kidnap" word by wrong. I meant "rob". Yeah in Thailand you can find girls with any prices. But I prefer Cambodia much more as girls are more honest and fresher. I'm sorry if I'm being too nervous about Santa fe, reading a lot about it and some people say you have to avoid it at night. I donno who should I trust. Anyway this not going to be my first adventure. I'm going to do it no matter what.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2281841]Man you have me in stitches over here. Kidnap you? If they kidnap you they will have to feed you. Just tell them you eat too much to be kidnapped.

You are going to look like a moron walking up and down the same street. I will bet pesos to peanuts that you wonder about the other streets and go take a look. Why do you guys imagine Santa Fe and downtown Medelland to be war zones?

In Thailand I was at the $30 spot in the daytime. My brother was talking to one chick that said she had to leave soon because she works at the $100+ spot at night and they have to do her hair and makeup before she starts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XBoyx;2281894]I'm sorry if I'm being too nervous about Santa fe, reading a lot about it and some people say you have to avoid it at night. I donno who should I trust. Anyway this not going to be my first adventure. [/QUOTE]Why not use Woodman09's guide service as an insurance for safety if you are so worried? He is someone that can be trusted. It does not hurt to check with him.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2280927]I wish ISG posters make up their GD minds. In one corner we have those that say girls are forced into the game because they are really poor and are desperate for money. In another corner we have people that say they are hookers, but are not desperate for money. So which is it? Why are these girls hookers if they don't need the money?[/QUOTE]Actually there are Many American teenage girls doing quick hooker jobs so they can get there Iphones and $500 jeans.

[QUOTE=SloaneSquare;2281837]Has anyone actually tried this place? Is it a hotel for overnight, or just by the hour?

Who attends the parties? What happens at the parejas parties? Pool parties?

I am sure it is not cheap, but what exactly is the deal?

[URL]http://flirtbogota.co/flirt/[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes I went there once as a wingman insited on visiting it. It's basocally the most expensive place of Bogota. Great mansion with lounge atmosphere. No pole dance, no loud music, no disco light and when we were visiting it no other guests. To answer the questions, there is no pool party , no party and no pool at all. It's not a hotell, its an upscale brothel. Around 10 girls coktail dressed and well maked-up, so you don't feel like being in a brothel. Although they do their best not to look like the typical lhookers and try to fake they are strato 6, I was not impressed by the line-up. As I live in Bogota, girls in my social circle look better. But I can understand that a tourist will not notice it and might have a blow compared to Santa Fe. You take a drink at he bar with the girl you have chosen and can go to one of the rooms. As far as I remember, pricing is 200 000 for the room or 400 000 to take out before midnight, 200 000 after midnight, plus 400 000/30 min 600 000/60 min for the girl. Of course I decliend, but my wingman went for a session. After all, it's maybe not such a bad deal for a tourist, as price schema was fixed, while in Lido a gringo without spanish might end up paying lot more. My wingman reported me that the session was not that GFE. Bottomline, there is no relation between price and quality of service in the mongering world.

[QUOTE=XBoyx;2281894]I'm sorry if I'm being too nervous about Santa fe, reading a lot about it and some people say you have to avoid it at night. I donno who should I trust.[/QUOTE]I got you man. You really do not know until you see for yourself. It is just a big area with bars and clubs and people hanging on the street. My first time there was in the daytime and I stopped and talked to some chicks at a casa. I had on diamond earrings. They told me to take those off around here. I took them off. Never had a problem there or seen a problem there in all these years.

Does any of the girls in Santa Fe speak basic English? At least can say the prices in English? It's hard to believe they are in this business but still can't speak a few words in English to get non-Spanish speaking clients.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2282078]I got you man. You really do not know until you see for yourself. It is just a big area with bars and clubs and people hanging on the street. My first time there was in the daytime and I stopped and talked to some chicks at a casa. I had on diamond earrings. They told me to take those off around here. I took them off. Never had a problem there or seen a problem there in all these years.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XBoyx;2282121]Does any of the girls in Santa Fe speak basic English? At least can say the prices in English? It's hard to believe they are in this business but still can't speak a few words in English to get non-Spanish speaking clients.[/QUOTE]They are not there to cater to foreigners. That is why it is cheap. The same thing can be said about you not knowing Spanish. You can use Google translate to communicate.

[QUOTE=XBoyx;2281894]I used "kidnap" word by wrong. I meant "rob". Yeah in Thailand you can find girls with any prices. But I prefer Cambodia much more as girls are more honest and fresher. I'm sorry if I'm being too nervous about Santa fe, reading a lot about it and some people say you have to avoid it at night. I donno who should I trust. Anyway this not going to be my first adventure. I'm going to do it no matter what.[/QUOTE]Perhaps a guide for Santa Fe? You could search the Colombia CraigsList for "Tour Guide Bogota / Travel Assistance".

[QUOTE=XBoyx;2282121]Does any of the girls in Santa Fe speak basic English? At least can say the prices in English? It's hard to believe they are in this business but still can't speak a few words in English to get non-Spanish speaking clients.[/QUOTE]IEven harder to believe you'd go to a Spanish-speaking country and not know at least how to say prices.

That said, you'll get by somehow. I speak Spanish, but I've been to destinations where I didn't know the language and I was able to get by.

Ever consider the Philippines? They speak English. The place is tailor made for guys like you.

[QUOTE=XBoyx;2282121]Does any of the girls in Santa Fe speak basic English? At least can say the prices in English? It's hard to believe they are in this business but still can't speak a few words in English to get non-Spanish speaking clients.[/QUOTE]Well, you've already gotten your nose rubbed in the dirt on this one. For a change I'll try to be nice about it.

The girls in Santa Fe come and go. In a week each one might encounter 1 potential customer who doesn't speak some basic Spanish. She might talk to 30 or more guys who can handle at least the basics in Spanish.

Learning English is hard. If you want to get an idea how hard it is for a Spanish speaker, get one that knows no English to pronounce "heightened."

Most of the girls you'll find in Santa Fe aren't going to take the time and spend the money to learn English, just for the chance at 1 more customer a week.

It's their country, or their temporary country until they return to Venezuela. It's up to the visitors to make the effort to learn their language.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2282649]Well, you've already gotten your nose rubbed in the dirt on this one. For a change I'll try to be nice about it.

The girls in Santa Fe come and go. In a week each one might encounter 1 potential customer who doesn't speak some basic Spanish. She might talk to 30 or more guys who can handle at least the basics in Spanish.

Learning English is hard. If you want to get an idea how hard it is for a Spanish speaker, get one that knows no English to pronounce "heightened."

Most of the girls you'll find in Santa Fe aren't going to take the time and spend the money to learn English, just for the chance at 1 more customer a week.

It's eedtheir country, or their temporary country until they return to Venezuela. It's up to the visitors to make the effort to learn their language.[/QUOTE]Nothing more frustrating than to hear a gringo complain about Spanish being spoken in a Latin country, especially in SF. Most are from poor families and are not university students. You may find a student here or there but not likely. Learn some Spanish, you can start with 2 words,
Cuanto cuesta?

Honestly wanted to pay for the premium membership but some guys are here too unfriendly. I just expressed my opinion about some hookers but some guys started attacking me like I'm talking about their wives. I'm here to contribute into the forum but some of you guys make new members hesitate write anything here. Not saying I can't argue, but what's the point of arguing with some people that you don't know anything about them. In other forums people encourage you to write here people indirectly tell you to shut up.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2282903]Nothing more frustrating than to hear a gringo complain about Spanish being spoken in a Latin country, especially in SF. Most are from poor families and are not university students. You may find a student here or there but not likely. Learn some Spanish, you can start with 2 words,
Cuanto cuesta?[/QUOTE]I have yet to see anyone complain that they speak Spanish in a Latin country.

[QUOTE=XBoyx;2283011]Honestly wanted to pay for the premium membership but some guys are here too unfriendly. I just expressed my opinion about some hookers but some guys started attacking me like I'm talking about their wives. I'm here to contribute into the forum but some of you guys make new members hesitate write anything here. Not saying I can't argue, but what's the point of arguing with some people that you don't know anything about them. In other forums people encourage you to write here people indirectly tell you to shut up.[/QUOTE]I kinda agree with you. There are too many haters on this forum, but you went in misinformed regarding Colombians English skills and Santa Fe isn't a place for high end girls nor English speakers.

[QUOTE=XBoyx;2283011]Honestly wanted to pay for the premium membership but some guys are here too unfriendly. I just expressed my opinion about some hookers but some guys started attacking me like I'm talking about their wives. I'm here to contribute into the forum but some of you guys make new members hesitate write anything here. Not saying I can't argue, but what's the point of arguing with some people that you don't know anything about them. In other forums people encourage you to write here people indirectly tell you to shut up.[/QUOTE]Hey, this is an anonymous forum, attacks mean absolutely nothing which you will see for yourself the longer you are on here. Just ignore them.

[QUOTE=XBoyx;2283011]Honestly wanted to pay for the premium membership but some guys are here too unfriendly. I just expressed my opinion about some hookers but some guys started attacking me like I'm talking about their wives. I'm here to contribute into the forum but some of you guys make new members hesitate write anything here. Not saying I can't argue, but what's the point of arguing with some people that you don't know anything about them. In other forums people encourage you to write here people indirectly tell you to shut up.[/QUOTE]Can you point out in which post you were attacked?

I went to Attraction Spa 3 weeks ago located on Carrera 21 #53-35. There was a blonde Paisa there (19 years old). She had an 8. 5 face and a nice petite body. Session cost me 100 k. I went back there today to repeat but sadly it's now closed. A kid who works at the bakery next door said they moved somewhere else and doesn't know where.

Let me make it clear, I'm not complaining why people in Colombia speak Spanish. Who does that? I'm just saying as I have been to more than 10 non-English speaking countries, I always noticed people who are in sex industry can speak a little English even in Cambodia. Now you might say Colombia is different alright, it might be different, just say that! But you guys attacked me like I've complained about why they don't pay me to fuck them in ass.

Someone here asked about who attacked me, you are right you don't see those posts anymore because seems someone deleted them, they were written by Nyahbinghi83 and someone else.

Thanks ShooBreee for responding to LatinaLover#1.

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[QUOTE=XBoyx;2283011]Honestly wanted to pay for the premium membership but some guys are here too unfriendly. I just expressed my opinion about some hookers but some guys started attacking me like I'm talking about their wives. I'm here to contribute into the forum but some of you guys make new members hesitate write anything here. Not saying I can't argue, but what's the point of arguing with some people that you don't know anything about them. In other forums people encourage you to write here people indirectly tell you to shut up.[/QUOTE]Most of the people here are quite friendly. I've met quite a few and found just about everyone to be decent guys.

However, most of us are rather blunt. That comes across as harsh, but it's not intended to be an attack. It's intended to be an eye-opener.

When I was 18 and fresh from boot camp, I went to Milwaukee with some friends. Drinking age was still 18 in Wisconsin. We started bar hopping and around 2 am I found myself alone in definitely the wrong part of town for a Wonder bread white, farm boy from the sticks. The bartender brought my beer and said something like "you don't want to stay here. " It was harsh. He wasn't trying to be mean. He was letting me know, I was about to become a victim. I covered about 20 blocks in record time.

If someone seems like they're being mean, it's probably because they see you setting yourself up for trouble.

Hello gents,

How are you finding the exchange rate at the money changer in Bogota airport. The one that says no commission and is just before customs exit?

I'm considering bringing a wad of cash (1 k) with me to change just to limit the times I have to keep going to the ATM because of withdrawal limits.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2283870]Hello gents,

How are you finding the exchange rate at the money changer in Bogota airport. The one that says no commission and is just before customs exit?

I'm considering bringing a wad of cash (1 k) with me to change just to limit the times I have to keep going to the ATM because of withdrawal limits.[/QUOTE]I can't remember what it was last time I was there, but it's not a very good rate. If you're going to be in Bogota and want to exchange a lot of dollars, there's basically a money exchange mall. I believe it's around Calle 129 or somewhere in that area. Probably 25 or 30 exchange places all in one spot.

Make that Calle 127 at Carrera 15. Right across the street from CC Unicentro.

Guys, if anyone is in town now, what's the weather like?

Do I need long sleeve shirts and a jacket?

Oh yes, I never change money at the airport.
There might not be a commission charge, but I am sure the exchange rate will not be good.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2283889]Guys, if anyone is in town now, what's the weather like?

Do I need long sleeve shirts and a jacket?

Oh yes, I never change money at the airport.
There might not be a commission charge, but I am sure the exchange rate will not be good.[/QUOTE]Always need a jacket, if you're getting out at night in Bogota. I prefer short sleeves, but the locals mostly stick to long sleeves.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2283870]Hello gents,

How are you finding the exchange rate at the money changer in Bogota airport. The one that says no commission and is just before customs exit?

I'm considering bringing a wad of cash (1 k) with me to change just to limit the times I have to keep going to the ATM because of withdrawal limits.[/QUOTE]It means nothing whatsoever that it says 'No Commission'. The commission is in the appalling exchange rate you would get there. I honestly can't believe ANYBODY would change money at an airport, on a ferry etc, it's the same as burning money! Using an ATM is usually the cheapest way to get cash when abroad, aside from the low fees, the exchange rate will be the best available.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2283870] just to limit the times I have to keep going to the ATM because of withdrawal limits.[/QUOTE]You can do multiple withdraws at the same time. Bank Bogota let you withdraw more than 600 mil at a time.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2283896]It means nothing whatsoever that it says 'No Commission'. The commission is in the appalling exchange rate you would get there. I honestly can't believe ANYBODY would change money at an airport, on a ferry etc, it's the same as burning money![/QUOTE]I can't believe those places are even open. Well actually I can, because for some strange reason people still go to them. When I left Peru the other day heading to Colombia I wanted to change some Soles back to USD. The converter on my phone said $231. I figured I would accept $225. I got to the counter and that broad told me $214. No thanks!

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2283896]It means nothing whatsoever that it says 'No Commission'. The commission is in the appalling exchange rate you would get there. I honestly can't believe ANYBODY would change money at an airport, on a ferry etc, it's the same as burning money! Using an ATM is usually the cheapest way to get cash when abroad, aside from the low fees, the exchange rate will be the best available.[/QUOTE]The apartment I rented in Cartagena in the same building I always do is cheap but they want cash and can't accept credit card (it looks like one of the smaller real estate operations in the city). Consequently, I need 2 million pesos in cash. The limits at the ATM machines mean I'll have a hard time getting that in one day.

Consequently, using a good exchange is the only way. If the rate is 50 pesos less I can live with it but 200 pesos less is a bit much.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2283925]The apartment I rented in Cartagena in the same building I always do is cheap but they want cash and can't accept credit card (it looks like one of the smaller real estate operations in the city). Consequently, I need 2 million pesos in cash. The limits at the ATM machines mean I'll have a hard time getting that in one day.

Consequently, using a good exchange is the only way. If the rate is 50 pesos less I can live with it but 200 pesos less is a bit much.[/QUOTE]You can go to multiple ATMs and multiple times per ATM. BancoColombia is everywhere. Their limit is 600 k per withdrawal with a 13.2 k fee. Davivienda has no fees and limits it to 320 k. Banco Pichincha allows for 800 k with no fee but they're harder to find. When you use an ATM card you get the best possible conversion rate, which is very close to whatever the interbank rate is at that time.

Why do you also need to pay all 2 million at once? Pay half now and pay half later.

The famous Schwab card is very easy to get started with.

I feel like there are multiple ways to get around your problem. I assume after hearing all this you will stop using the airport exchange, but if you still plan to do that, the only thing I can think of is that you're purposely trying to screw yourself.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2283925] The limits at the ATM machines mean I'll have a hard time getting that in one day.[/QUOTE]The ATM have indeed cash limits, from 300 000 for most, 600 000 for Bancolombia, 780 000 for Servibanca. But in any ATM you can repeat as much as you want till reaching your personal limit of your credit card. You can also go to a Redy office or similar from Bancolombia, and get the exact amount of cash you need in one operation from your credit card. Actually there are a lot of solutions, wiring money and take it cash at the desk of a bank, specific web aplications such as N26, Monzo, Azimo or Transferwire and so on, but the worth is bringing cash dollar and change it in a casa de cambio.

On a similar topic, do pre-paid cash cards exist in Bogota / Colombia, that you can use in most stores / cafes? That you could buy and top up, with no bank account there. I'm asking because I don't like using cash in general, and using my credit card for small things would become exorbitant. I don't even know, are card payments even common there in stores / cafes etc?

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2284112]On a similar topic, do pre-paid cash cards exist in Bogota / Colombia, that you can use in most stores / cafes? That you could buy and top up, with no bank account there. I'm asking because I don't like using cash in general, and using my credit card for small things would become exorbitant. I don't even know, are card payments even common there in stores / cafes etc?[/QUOTE]I don't know about prepaid but I usually pay with my credit card at all stores and restaurants in Colombia. In Bogota you will have zero issues.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2283985]BancoColombia is everywhere. Their limit is 600 k per withdrawal with a 13.2 k fee. [/QUOTE]Bancolombia charges me a fee of 14,520 (like $5 dollars) per transaction. For some reason BBVA bank doesn't charge my card. I'm not sure if there is an agreement between my bank and BBVA. I use credit cards in restaurants but you have to be careful that your credit card company doesn't have fees for being out of the country or converting pesos to USD.

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2284250]Bancolombia charges me a fee of 14,520 (like $5 dollars) per transaction. For some reason BBVA bank doesn't charge my card. I'm not sure if there is an agreement between my bank and BBVA. I use credit cards in restaurants but you have to be careful that your credit card company doesn't have fees for being out of the country or converting pesos to USD.[/QUOTE]They probably include the fee in the conversion rate.

BTW, sorry to the larger audience for starting an ATM discussion, haha.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2284256]They probably include the fee in the conversion rate.

BTW, sorry to the larger audience for starting an ATM discussion, haha.[/QUOTE]There may be one other option. Check with your bank. Some banks will do currency exchange for you, although they usually need a few days to get the currency. Just go to your local branch and ask if they can get Colombian pesos for you.

First, no bank in Colombia has a 'private agreement' with any bank in the USA Second, whatever bank ATM you use to take out money, the withdrawal goes through a central system so you could take out some money from one machine in Colombia and some money from another but the daily total is what is counted. All bank ATMs have a daily limit. This was misstated by someone earlier. The limit total withdrawal limit is set by who knows who? But there is a limit. There actually are banks here in Colombia that do not charge a withdrawal fee even though they ask 'want to see what your bank is going to charge you'. Someone mentioned BBVA. And that might be one that does not charge. I am almost sure it does not charge. Me. I like using the Cap360 and Capone credit cards. No charges for anything, by the way, on the other end. Nobody should ever use a money exchange house. Never. Any ATM debit card would be better than that. So it seems by using Capone and BBVA you can transfer money to Colombia totally free. As I do. (I used Bancolombia for a year before I realized I was really getting ripped off. One by the ATM charge and two by a lower conversion rate on the peso).

It has been discussed about using cash vs cards. I have been ripped off twice using my card instead of cash here in Colombia. So. I try to stick to cash except at known places like Exito. When it happens you have to get new cards. A pain. Pura Vida.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2284256]They probably include the fee in the conversion rate.

BTW, sorry to the larger audience for starting an ATM discussion, haha.[/QUOTE]Don't be sorry I'm continually seeking the best options.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;2284309]First, no bank in Colombia has a 'private agreement' with any bank in the USA Second, whatever bank ATM you use to take out money, the withdrawal goes through a central system so you could take out some money from one machine in Colombia and some money from another but the daily total is what is counted. All bank ATMs have a daily limit. This was misstated by someone earlier. The limit total withdrawal limit is set by who knows who? But there is a limit. There actually are banks here in Colombia that do not charge a withdrawal fee even though they ask 'want to see what your bank is going to charge you'. Someone mentioned BBVA. And that might be one that does not charge. I am almost sure it does not charge. Me. I like using the Cap360 and Capone credit cards. No charges for anything, by the way, on the other end. Nobody should ever use a money exchange house. Never. Any ATM debit card would be better than that. So it seems by using Capone and BBVA you can transfer money to Colombia totally free. As I do. (I used Bancolombia for a year before I realized I was really getting ripped off. One by the ATM charge and two by a lower conversion rate on the peso).

It has been discussed about using cash vs cards. I have been ripped off twice using my card instead of cash here in Colombia. So. I try to stick to cash except at known places like Exito. When it happens you have to get new cards. A pain. Pura Vida.[/QUOTE]PM, I agree with your assessment fully. I have found that using a CC without foreign transaction fee (I happen to have CapOne as well and use it extensively) is the best deal in Colombia and most other foreign destinations for getting cash. Major bank ATMs in Colombia don't seem to charge fee for withdrawal. I've used several (one called Itau comes to mind) and never paid a penny, and their exchange rates are real market. Not the ripoff bank or forex cash rates.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;2284309] Any ATM debit card would be better than that. [/QUOTE]I disagree, there are many American / European banks that rip you off. For instance I used to use my shitty Santander bank. I would have to pay Santander $6 for an international withdrawal fee along with the $5 Colombian bank withdrawal fee and Santander also has some stupid fee "International Cash Withdrawal or Purchase using your Debit Card: 4% of the amount in USA Dollars of any transaction made outside the 50 United States using a Debit Card. *.

So to withdraw $100 dollars I would have to pay the Colombian bank $5 and my Santander bank a total of $10.

Some you. S / Europe banks really screw you over.

[QUOTE=Kib123;2284510]Major bank ATMs in Colombia don't seem to charge fee for withdrawal. I've used several (one called Itau comes to mind) and never paid a penny, and their exchange rates are real market. Not the ripoff bank or forex cash rates.[/QUOTE]Sure they charge a fee. Last night I took out 600,000 pesos from Banco de Bogota. On the screen it showed a fee of 13,200 pesos that I had to agree to. At today's rate 600,000 pesos is $192.56. $197.26 has been taken out of my account. So the fee is about $4.20, but as you said, the exchange rate they gave is somewhat close to the interbank exchange. And I do have Schwab, so the $4.20 will be returned at the end of the month.

Wouldn't the best option be to top up a pre-paid cash card with your credit card? Then you can leave your credit card and ATM card in your hotel safe and move around with the cash card and just enough cash for chicas.

Using a Schwab Investor Checking Visa Debit card at Colpatria ATM's has been the sweet spot for me. I've been able to go up to 780,000 pesos with $0 fee.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2284955]Wouldn't the best option be to top up a pre-paid cash card with your credit card? Then you can leave your credit card and ATM card in your hotel safe and move around with the cash card and just enough cash for chicas.[/QUOTE]I've always have 1 ATM card (debit), 1 credit card (mastercard or visa), and a piece of ID on me. Then I carry a roll of cash for chicas in my other pocket. I use a card wallet since I almost NEVER have cash on me in north america; I'd maybe have a 5 dollar bill folded in with my cards.

In North America and Europe I carry all three credit cards on me at once (Mastercard, Amex, Visa). Every 2-3 years an unauthorized charge shows up on one of my credit cards, I call to get the charge removed and they issue a new card in the mail 3-5 business days.

At home I sometimes only carry my cellphone and use my phones payment system to pay and tap at machines.

You don't need to take so many precautions in Colombia unless you're doing things like going to centro Medellin where I'd only carry cash on me and ID.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2284955]Wouldn't the best option be to top up a pre-paid cash card with your credit card? Then you can leave your credit card and ATM card in your hotel safe and move around with the cash card and just enough cash for chicas.[/QUOTE]Well, what pre-paid cash card are you talking about, something you can get in Colombia (as a non-resident), or something else? I would be interested to get one myself.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2285015]I've always have 1 ATM card (debit), 1 credit card (mastercard or visa), and a piece of ID on me.[/QUOTE]Do you have to carry your original ID on you there, and not a copy? That would be a pretty serious thing to lose if you got robbed! In the DR I never took my ID out with me. Why do you carry it, in case you get asked for it by the cops? What are the chances of that happening?

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2285111]Do you have to carry your original ID on you there, and not a copy? That would be a pretty serious thing to lose if you got robbed! In the DR I never took my ID out with me. Why do you carry it, in case you get asked for it by the cops? What are the chances of that happening?[/QUOTE]Yes in Bogota I was carded multiple times. In Cartagena if I'm heading back from the old city to Bocagrande late at night (3 AM) there will be road blocks. I carry original driver's license. I don't care if it gets stolen. I'm not carrying my passport and no cop has ever asked for it. If they want it I have a digital copy on my phone (photo).

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2285108]Well, what pre-paid cash card are you talking about, something you can get in Colombia (as a non-resident), or something else? I would be interested to get one myself.[/QUOTE]Not a good idea. Colombia is a 95% cash-based place.

If you're paying with a credit card, unless it's a pharmacy a supermarket or a gas station, you're almost certainly overpaying like crazy.

Get cash and use it. If you're worried about theft, get a money belt.

[QUOTE=MrDebt;2284993]Using a Schwab Investor Checking Visa Debit card at Colpatria ATM's has been the sweet spot for me. I've been able to go up to 780,000 pesos with $0 fee.[/QUOTE]THIS! If you're a frequent traveller outside the US GET A SCHWAB ACCOUNT. You will hold on to so much of your money!

Servibanca ATMs are the best not just because of the highest limit, but they seem to work flawlessly with whatever card you may have. YMMV with other ATMs. Davivienda also seems to work perfectly all the time, they have a limit of 400 k per withdrawal but have a lower fee than Servi.

Routard is a great long-standing member here and I respect him, but he couldn't be more wrong on this one. Do NOT bring USD or any other hard currency into Colombia! Colombia is trying to get RID of all the excess foreign currency floating around. Every time I leave Colombia for abroad I actually go to Cambios Vancouver and liquidate everything I can into USD then put it right back into my US account ASAP and I usually make around 10% on my money right there. If you try the operation in reverse you are going to be doing 15% or worse off of market rates.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2285223]Not a good idea. Colombia is a 95% cash-based place.

If you're paying with a credit card, unless it's a pharmacy a supermarket or a gas station, you're almost certainly overpaying like crazy.

Get cash and use it. If you're worried about theft, get a money belt.[/QUOTE]So I walk into an Exito and buy something off the shelf that is 5,200 COP I pay more if I use my credit card? I'm not sure I am following you. Where else other than pharmacy, supermarket, gas station, restaurants etc. are you using your credit card at?

Smaller businesses may be cash only but I rarely interact with them. If you're staying in the northern part of Bogota you almost never need cash.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2285225]THIS! Do NOT bring USD or any other hard currency into Colombia! Colombia is trying to get RID of all the excess foreign currency floating around[/QUOTE]That is exactly what I said also ;)

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2285225]THIS! If you're a frequent traveller outside the US GET A SCHWAB ACCOUNT. You will hold on to so much of your money!

Servibanca ATMs are the best not just because of the highest limit, but they seem to work flawlessly with whatever card you may have. YMMV with other ATMs. Davivienda also seems to work perfectly all the time, they have a limit of 400 k per withdrawal but have a lower fee than Servi.

Routard is a great long-standing member here and I respect him, but he couldn't be more wrong on this one. Do NOT bring USD or any other hard currency into Colombia! Colombia is trying to get RID of all the excess foreign currency floating around. Every time I leave Colombia for abroad I actually go to Cambios Vancouver and liquidate everything I can into USD then put it right back into my US account ASAP and I usually make around 10% on my money right there. If you try the operation in reverse you are going to be doing 15% or worse off of market rates.[/QUOTE]I've noticed a wide variation on the max allowed per withdrawal on Davivienda ATMs. For a long time it was 720 k, then close to Christmas I saw higher limits. In one case 2 million was the limit. Now I'm hearing 400 k. If you can find a branch, Banco Pichincha (at least in Medellin) had a 1 million limit, no fee and you could do multiple withdrawals on the san transaction. Just needed to re-enter your PIN. Quicker than waiting for the machine to reset and then starting the process over, if you're pulling a large amount.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2285294]So I walk into an Exito and buy something off the shelf that is 5,200 COP I pay more if I use my credit card? I'm not sure I am following you. Where else other than pharmacy, supermarket, gas station, restaurants etc. are you using your credit card at?

Smaller businesses may be cash only but I rarely interact with them. If you're staying in the northern part of Bogota you almost never need cash.[/QUOTE]1. Exito qualifies as a supermarket.

2. If you're buying something at Exito, instead of a smaller, neighborhood market, you're automatically paying between 10-40% more whether you use card or cash.

3. Every time you use a card, there's a risk it will be run through a skimmer. Using cash, your risk is limited to the amount of change you have coming.

4. At least some businesses charge more for card transactions. Not only do they have to pay a transaction fee, but they can't hide that transaction from the taxman.

Using a card is a convenience we are all used to. I just prefer to stick with cash when traveling.

If you are from EU / UK, get TransferWise card. Best possible rate, tiny fees.

What is the best club or bars area where I can pick up a freelancer (if there is such thing in Bogota)? Or maybe the best high end club and try my luck. Thanks in advance.

I see pages of credit card and bank / money info on this thread, so I thought I'd steer it back to the objectives of this forum and post a question about meeting females, no offense.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2285649]What is the best club or bars area where I can pick up a freelancer (if there is such thing in Bogota)? Or maybe the best high end club and try my luck.[/QUOTE]What do you mean by freelancer? Strictly speaking, all the street girls in Santa Fe are freelancers because they have no obligation to an establishment. Maybe you are looking for part-timers who have something going on in their life other than getting paid for sex. I think that in this day and age, part-timers don't sit in bars hoping to get lucky, they get on with their life while looking for oportunities online.

I prefer to have sex with real girls who have a life and I have had sucess on [URL]seeking.com[/URL], finding bona-fide full-time students trying to make ends meet. I have gone on a number of pleasant dates with good-looking educated girls, several of which lead easily to hot girl friend sex without time pressure. To me that's worth a lot more than any number of quickies in Santa Fe or half-hours in Chapinero.

I made myself an atractive profile, paid 90 USD to [URL]seeking.com[/URL] two days before my flight to Colombia and started contacting a lot of girls (many contacted me first). During the stopover changing planes to Bogota, I was busy in various texting conversations, so I had a lot of leads when I arrived. Only a few I ended up seeing, but it was worth it. And there's new profiles popping up every day, I have one month to keep making fresh connections. Disclaimer: I speak fluent spanish. (But the odds of finding an english speaker are higher on [URL]seeking.com[/URL] than elsewhere in Colombia.).

Why would you want to go to a "high end club"? The same scotch will be a lot more expensive there than at a normal bar or at a liquor store, and the same girls will be a lot more expensive, too, than elsewhere. If you enjoy paying more money for an exclusive ambience, go ahead, but don't expect better experience with the girls, or better tasting scotch.

If you want to got out in the evening to a place where you can drink, meet girls and fuck them, all with excelent value for money, I would suggest the dancing bars in Chapinero like Las Divas Calle 61 #13-79, or opposite Pussy House Calle 61 #13-64.

[QUOTE=Arcangel;2285684].[/QUOTE]Thanks Arcangel for detailed reply, the info is much appreciated. Ill just hit the bars you suggested and then there is Santa Fe, I forgot about that place.

As far as SA, I have been banned, as it happens quite regularly to people now with the passage of some new laws in 2018 combating online sex stuff (this includes craigslist and backpage even in countries where prostitution is not illegal. Which is most countries in EU). I don't know maybe I can create another profile but I haven't tried. It worked well for me, but then because prostitution is not illegal in UK (it is legal), girls and clients frequently and openly discuss pay per meet scenarios, etc. SA is American company, they will ban you at a mention of anything remotely suggesting P4 P. Damn.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2285702]
As far as SA, I have been banned,
... SA is American company, they will ban you at a mention of anything remotely suggesting P4 P. Damn.[/QUOTE]That's interesting about getting banned on SA for explicitly discussing a monetary arrangement, I thought that was the main idea of the site, its USP. Me, I've never discussed money on SA, though girls usually bring it up online, saying something like "Que clase de acuerdo buscas? I don't want to commit to anything until meeting in person, I'm playing a long game rather than quick p4 p.

But there are other sites you can go to. Some guys report success on Colombia Cupid. And there's Tinder which has full-time and part-time prepagos on it.

In Medellin there is the facebook scene, but I'm not sure if there is anything like it in Bogota or elsewhere in Colombia.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2285702]Thanks Arcangel for detailed reply, the info is much appreciated. Ill just hit the bars you suggested and then there is Santa Fe, I forgot about that place.

As far as SA, I have been banned, as it happens quite regularly to people now with the passage of some new laws in 2018 combating online sex stuff (this includes craigslist and backpage even in countries where prostitution is not illegal. SA is American company, they will ban you at a mention of anything remotely suggesting P4 P. Damn.[/QUOTE]My buddy was just talking about this the other day. For some reason I got kicked off Tinder in November and they would not give me a reason why. Hell I was hardly ever on the site. I kept getting an error message so I decided to google it and saw it meant I got the boot. I ended up signing back on with one of my SIM cards from another country.

But if what you said is true how are all these chicks getting away with it? Here in Colombia many chicks' profiles blatantly say sex for money and shit like that. Then they come trying to sell sex in the messages and think I am bullshitting around and wasting their time when I pussyfoot around the issue and tell them to take it to whatsapp.

Mr Enternational and Arcangel.

I'd strongly suggest to anyone to avoid using any suggestive words on SA, take it to WhatsApp and discuss in private and offline. They probably have quotas to show they ban members and avoid being shutdown altogether (I can see this happen the way things are going). SA is thinly disguised prostitution network, and in countries like UK you'll have lots of escorts advertising. One day I might use different photos and prepaid credit card, didn't bother with that.

I agree Medellin has great facebook scene and a network of girls all pimping each other, that's just great.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2285704]My buddy was just talking about this the other day. For some reason I got kicked off Tinder in November and they would not give me a reason why. Hell I was hardly ever on the site. I kept getting an error message so I decided to google it and saw it meant I got the boot.
[/QUOTE]Yes. If you discuss money on Tinder, they will shut you down.

Make the initial contact on Tinder, then move the discussion to WhatsApp. You are safe on WhatsApp since your messages are encrypted.
This applies to any country from Colombia to Zambia.

[QUOTE=Arcangel;2285703]That's interesting about getting banned on SA for explicitly discussing a monetary arrangement, .[/QUOTE]I am sorry to ask stupid question, but what is SA.

[QUOTE=Routard;2285296]That is exactly what I said also ;)[/QUOTE]In that case you couldn't be more RIGHT, and I must have misread you!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2285333]1. Exito qualifies as a supermarket.

2. If you're buying something at Exito, instead of a smaller, neighborhood market, you're automatically paying between 10-40% more whether you use card or cash.

3. Every time you use a card, there's a risk it will be run through a skimmer. Using cash, your risk is limited to the amount of change you have coming.

4. At least some businesses charge more for card transactions. Not only do they have to pay a transaction fee, but they can't hide that transaction from the taxman.

Using a card is a convenience we are all used to. I just prefer to stick with cash when traveling.[/QUOTE]Yeap. Exito is for rich Colombians and foreigners. Nobody money-minded shops at Exito. They are marked up like crazy to begin with, which proves my point.

Even places like Unilago and the surrounding area, you can use your card there but they will tell you right away they will charge you 5-6% more. Many restaurants have the same policy. Pussy House even accepts cards but they have a 10% surcharge.

Cash is almost always the best bet in Colombia.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2285225]Do NOT bring USD or any other hard currency into Colombia! Colombia is trying to get RID of all the excess foreign currency floating around.[/QUOTE]You're right about them trying to get rid of foreign currency but I have to disagree about not bringing any USD into the country, especially to Bogota. The Venezuelans working in SF / Mileroticos / Photoprepagos seem to prefer USD over COP. You can get some interesting deals done with the Venezuelans working girls by offering USD or a USD+COP combo. Colombianas obviously prefer their own currency.

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2285796]I am sorry to ask stupid question, but what is SA.[/QUOTE]SA = Seeking Arrangements = [URL]seeking.com[/URL].

I'm not sure what it takes to get banned from the site.

Recently I got an amusing message from a 19 yo in Bogota:

"Hello, I am looking for an educated man, I am selling my anal virginity, if you are interested Send me a message".

Last time I checked she wasn't banned.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2285801]Yeap. Exito is for rich Colombians and foreigners. Nobody money-minded shops at Exito. They are marked up like crazy to begin with, which proves my point.

Even places like Unilago and the surrounding area, you can use your card there but they will tell you right away they will charge you 5-6% more. Many restaurants have the same policy.[/QUOTE]I disagree. Exito is like Walmart, they have a big selection of food, clothes and non-food, all at fair prices. I am money-minded and I shop there. The upmarket supermarket is Carulla, standard supermarkets are Olympica and Ara. At all these places, and at all the upmarket restaurants you can pay by card, and many Colombians do. I'm pretty sure the price remains the same, but I always prefer cash.

Of course, Colombians without money don't shop there, but anybody on a salary will happily go to Exito.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2285801] Pussy House even accepts cards but they have a 10% surcharge.[/QUOTE]That may well be true, but I wouldn't care.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2285801] Cash is almost always the best bet in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Exactly!

[QUOTE=Arcangel;2285950]SA = Seeking Arrangements = [URL]seeking.com[/URL].

I'm not sure what it takes to get banned from the site.

Recently I got an amusing message from a 19 yo in Bogota:

"Hello, I am looking for an educated man, I am selling my anal virginity, if you are interested Send me a message".

Last time I checked she wasn't banned.[/QUOTE]But if you report her she will be banned. Lots of girls in UK got banned that I know of, for little or no reason. Plenty of articles about it on Reddit.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2285801]Even places like Unilago and the surrounding area, you can use your card there but they will tell you right away they will charge you 5-6% more. Many restaurants have the same policy.[/QUOTE]All the restaurants I've been to in Colombia did not charge extra for using credit cards. Supermarkets don't charge extra either. In Colombia, the credit card never leaves your sight. They will bring out a portable chip reader. Many small mom and pop places will try to charge extra for credit cards; I believe most mom and pop eating establishments in Colombia do not accept credit cards.

You might have gotten confused with the 3.5% extra charge if they select US dollar as the currency instead of COP, or the 10% they automatically add for gratuity in upscale restaurants.

If your credit card doesn't charge you the foreign transaction fee or any other bogus fees, and if you are paying off the credit card every month, and if the merchant doesn't charge extra, then the credit card is the best way to use your money (Non cash advance transactions, of course, which should be obvious). Your exchange rate with the credit card is usually slightly better or sometimes the same compared to the non-black market cash exchange rate, everywhere in the world. Plus you have the credit card points which normally gives you back between 1% to 2%.

[QUOTE=Arcangel;2285950]SA = Seeking Arrangements = [URL]seeking.com[/URL].

I'm not sure what it takes to get banned from the site.

Recently I got an amusing message from a 19 yo in Bogota:

"Hello, I am looking for an educated man, I am selling my anal virginity, if you are interested Send me a message".

Last time I checked she wasn't banned.[/QUOTE]That is funny as shit "selling my anal virginity", how is a guy to know he is the first dick in her ass?

The Tall Man.

Do ATMs in Colombia have English language option?

[QUOTE=XBoyx;2286260]Do ATMs in Colombia have English language option?[/QUOTE]If I recall correctly the last 3 ATMs that I used in Medellin, Cartagena, and Barranquilla did have an English option.

I went down to Santa Fe tonight about 10 and WOW. What the Venezuelans have done for that place I can not even describe. I thought it was Friday night the way that place was rocking. I walked passed La Piscina (other side of the street though with La Piscina being on my left) and got to the corner and posted up there. What the fuck. I looked to my right and right next to me was a guy with his back to the wall and the police had him surrounded. I was too late to see what had actually happened, but there was another guy with a jacket and backpack on pacing angrily as if maybe the guy had done something to him. And there was a big ass crowd around, looking on from both sides of the street. Even more police came and pulled up on the sidewalk on their motorcycle. How the hell did I just walk right into the middle of this? I am standing there listening but they really were not saying anything. Eventually they just told the guy to get ass away from there and soon the crowd dispersed leaving nothing but the sweet sight of some fine ass Venezuelans.

I stayed in my spot for a while and two drunk guys came over fucking with the women and dapping me up saying how there were some fine ass women out tonight. I ran up in California and saw a couple that I would take but I wanted to explore first, so I just did one round with the waiter following me then I walked out. I posted up on the wall on the other side of California and there was a wall of chicks all lined up at the curb. Traffic was stopping to get a glimpse of them. And there was no way in hell that all of them were at least 18.

Woooo. I saw the chick that I wanted. She was on the far left end wearing jeans and sneakers with a backpack purse. I was still surveying the area and turned to look to the right. When I looked back to the left she had disappeared. Huh? I was sad as a mf. But 2 minutes later she showed back up and I went right over to her. I asked her if she had to go study (because of the backpack). She thought I said something else though and answered that she was from Venezuela. I repeated the question. She then answered that she was there working. I asked her how much she wanted and she said 50. I said what about the room? She said she would take care of it out of the 50. Let's Go!

We walked down to the next block to a room on the opposite side of the street. I gave her the 50 and she handed it to the attendant. I guess they will give her her part later. We went into the room and she was Hot and Ready like a Little Caesar's pizza. She had a small pussy hole, but she put on quite a show. I was a satisfied customer. I asked her if I could take pictures and she said not of her face. I told her I wanted to take pictures of her dressed though. She said okay. We got dressed then there was a knock on the door. I asked her how much time we were supposed to get and she said 15 minutes. I thanked her and left.

I headed up to one of the stores to buy some snacks and drinks for my room. Then I headed into Troya. That shit was empty! I walked straight to the bar and saw a Heineken on the wall, so I asked for one of those. He went and got it and came back about to open it and I asked how much. He said 20. I said fuck that. Give me a Club Colombia instead. It was 8,000. I don't know why I ordered that shit. I don't even drink beer. I took 2 sips and my belly was full. There must have been 5 other guys in there besides me and 7 chicks that I counted. I sat there watching the show and finished the beer. Then I left and walked around and eventually hit another chick before walking back to my hotel about 12:30.

Although I am agnostic, I ended up thanking god for 2 things tonight:

One is poverty and the other is that I am not in it! So that I am able to partake in the fruit that it brings.

I've finally booked my flight to come in a fortnight to Colombia for a month. Think I will stay in a hotel for the first few nights to get my bearings, probably in Chapinero, though the IBIS Museo looks tempting as it's so close to Santa Fe. Who has experience of walking there from the IBIS in the daytime, it's not far but whatever route I check looks dodgy. Can it be done safely?

Looking for Airbnb's in Bogota is seriously frustrating. None I have checked have heating, they have many customer complaints that their places were freezing in the morning / at night. But when I've asked them about a heater they come back with endless crap 'We are in the tropics / we don't use heating in Bogota / I will give you lots of blankets' !? I'm not paying € 400 for a week to freeze my ass off on the equator!!

There are NO PLACES with heaters in Bogota. Bogota is at 8000 ft. And yes it gets down into the 50's at night. Try a blanket as you will need it and costs $10 . Or two chicas. And stop complaining.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2286892]I've finally booked my flight to come in a fortnight to Colombia for a month. Think I will stay in a hotel for the first few nights to get my bearings, probably in Chapinero, though the IBIS Museo looks tempting as it's so close to Santa Fe. Who has experience of walking there from the IBIS in the daytime, it's not far but whatever route I check looks dodgy. Can it be done safely?

Looking for Airbnb's in Bogota is seriously frustrating. None I have checked have heating, they have many customer complaints that their places were freezing in the morning / at night. But when I've asked them about a heater they come back with endless crap 'We are in the tropics / we don't use heating in Bogota / I will give you lots of blankets' !? I'm not paying 400 for a week to freeze my ass off on the equator!![/QUOTE]Heating isn't common in Bogota. Electricity is expensive and the people are adapted to the climate. Unless you're going during the rainy season, it's not as bad as it might seem. Because of the altitude, the temperature rises quickly if the sun is shining. If your room has Eastern exposure, by the time you're ready to get out of bed, the room will be toasty. However, if you get 2 or 3 days of solid rain, it's going to suck.

The walk from Ibis to Santa Fe is fine.

If you want a warm place in Colombia try the coast like Cartagena.

The only time I am in Bogota is either during a layover or a few days to visit friends. The climate never agrees with me.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2286892]Looking for Airbnb's in Bogota is seriously frustrating. None I have checked have heating, they have many customer complaints that their places were freezing in the morning / at night. But when I've asked them about a heater they come back with endless crap 'We are in the tropics / we don't use heating in Bogota / I will give you lots of blankets' !? I'm not paying 400 for a week to freeze my ass off on the equator!![/QUOTE]As far as I know, the only place you are going to find climate control around here is an American hotel like Marriott. I have seen it in no other house, hotel, or business.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2286892]Think I will stay in a hotel for the first few nights to get my bearings, probably in Chapinero, though the IBIS Museo looks tempting as it's so close to Santa Fe. Who has experience of walking there from the IBIS in the daytime, it's not far but whatever route I check looks dodgy. Can it be done safely?[/QUOTE]My hotel is located between Ibis and Santa Fe and as I have said 100 times, I have walked back and forth at all hours of the day and night without a problem. I am a Black American guy from the ghetto though. So YMMV.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2286892] <snip>
Looking for Airbnb's in Bogota is seriously frustrating. None I have checked have heating, they have many customer complaints that their places were freezing in the morning / at night. But when I've asked them about a heater they come back with endless crap 'We are in the tropics / we don't use heating in Bogota / I will give you lots of blankets' !? I'm not paying 400 for a week to freeze my ass off on the equator!![/QUOTE]Based on previous reports, it is futile to look for apartments with heat. You have two options:

(1) You can dress in layers at night i.e. sweat shirt over Thermal T-shirt etc. The downside is you will have to pack extra clothes.
(2) Buy a electric blanket. It is not that bulky. It will be easier to carry if you do not open the new package. You can carry in a shopping bag, as part of your carry-on.

Electric voltage in Colombia is 110 V (same as USA). You may need a power plug adapter if you are coming from another country.
I prefer option # 2. You can use the dial control to make it warmer or cooler depending on the temperature in your room.

Looking forward to reading your trip report. Good Luck!

~BKKguru.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;2286897]There are NO PLACES with heaters in Bogota. Bogota is at 8000 ft. And yes it gets down into the 50's at night. Try a blanket as you will need it and costs $10 . Or two chicas. And stop complaining.[/QUOTE]I've stayed 2 places in Bogota with heaters. One place the heat didn't work, but they had a portable heater at the front desk. However, neither place is reasonable walking distance to Santa Fe.

I wouldn't have complained about the no heat at the one place, but it was a particularly cold, wet night, I'd left my jacket at my place in Medellin and I had walked from the airport all the way down to Teusaquillo in a light drizzle (don't ask).

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;2286897]There are NO PLACES with heaters in Bogota. Bogota is at 8000 ft. And yes it gets down into the 50's at night. Try a blanket as you will need it and costs $10 . Or two chicas. And stop complaining.[/QUOTE]I'm not complaining, just stating the reactions I got. As Bogota is at 8000 feet, all the more reason for them to have heaters! Some people say they'll provide a heater, but if I'm paying 60 Euro a night I don't expect replies like 'I'm not putting a heater there because electricity costs are very high in Bogota' !? WTF! Yes mate, but you're charging lots of money for the place! Who wants to sit in a place in the evening dressed like an eskimo, not me! Might have to just stay in a hotel then I suppose if can't find a better rental. I will be going to the coast too by the way.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2286758] I ended up thanking god for 2 things tonight: One is poverty and the other is that I am not in it! So that I am able to partake in the fruit that it brings.[/QUOTE]What a charming and generous sentiment! The world is screwed so I'll make the most of it! Hey, let's just hope that Maduro doesn't completely lose it when you're there, and decide to bomb Bogota or something !

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2286918]As far as I know, the only place you are going to find climate control around here is an American hotel like Marriott. I have seen it in no other house, hotel, or business.

My hotel is located between Ibis and Santa Fe and as I have said 100 times, I have walked back and forth at all hours of the day and night without a problem. I am a Black American guy from the ghetto though. So YMMV.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Coupe66;2286892]I've finally booked my flight to come in a fortnight to Colombia for a month. Think I will stay in a hotel for the first few nights to get my bearings, probably in Chapinero, though the IBIS Museo looks tempting as it's so close to Santa Fe. Who has experience of walking there from the IBIS in the daytime, it's not far but whatever route I check looks dodgy. Can it be done safely?

Looking for Airbnb's in Bogota is seriously frustrating. None I have checked have heating, they have many customer complaints that their places were freezing in the morning / at night. But when I've asked them about a heater they come back with endless crap 'We are in the tropics / we don't use heating in Bogota / I will give you lots of blankets' !? I'm not paying 400 for a week to freeze my ass off on the equator!![/QUOTE]Yes, I stayed there last year walked there sober and took a 5 min cab home.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2286998]What a charming and generous sentiment! The world is screwed so I'll make the most of it! Hey, let's just hope that Maduro doesn't completely lose it when you're there, and decide to bomb Bogota or something ![/QUOTE]There is a reason we are not traveling to London, Paris, Tokyo, and Zurich to monger. That does not escape me. But I guess not saying it makes it different from what it really is? If he is planning to get me caught up in the bombing, he only has 16 more hours to do it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2287034]There is a reason we are not traveling to London, Paris, Tokyo, and Zurich to monger. That does not escape me.[/QUOTE]Actually there is no direct link between poverty and prostitution offer. For me the number one monger destination is Germany, while Switzerland, Austria or Holland are also good options, not exactly third world countries and one of the worst shoud be something between Mauritania, Afghanistan, Sudan or Pakistan, not exactly rich countries.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2286758]I went down to Santa Fe tonight about 10 and WOW. What the Venezuelans have done for that place I can not even describe. I thought it was Friday night the way that place was rocking. I walked passed La Piscina (other side of the street though with La Piscina being on my left) and got to the corner and posted up there. What the fuck. I looked to my right and right next to me was a guy with his back to the wall and the police had him surrounded. I was too late to see what had actually happened, but there was another guy with a jacket and backpack on pacing angrily as if maybe the guy had done something to him. And there was a big ass crowd around, looking on from both sides of the street. Even more police came and pulled up on the sidewalk on their motorcycle. How the hell did I just walk right into the middle of this? I am standing there listening but they really were not saying anything. Eventually they just told the guy to get ass away from there and soon the crowd dispersed leaving nothing but the sweet sight of some fine ass Venezuelans..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the photos, photos photos photos, makes the world of difference. So many times I read the different thread and I would likely pay a visit to that location, but one reason I don't? The lack of photo's. This is just an excellent photo and a super nice looking chic. Maybe soon I will come to Bogota, but as for now, I spend most of my time in Medellin. I am tempted to try Bogota, but the weather does nothing to entice me, I am very tropical and hate the cold, even a little drop in the temperatures makes me crazy, but for the right group of chicas I might put on a sweater or two and brave the cold. Something about photos that make me want to see the exact location of where board members say these girls are found. As for now, I will continue to have a ball in Medellin and enjoy the nice weather of Antioquia. Pollo Negro is out!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2286758]I went down to Santa Fe tonight about 10 and WOW. What the Venezuelans have done for that place I can not even describe. I thought it was Friday night the way that place was rocking. I walked passed La Piscina (other side of the street though with La Piscina being on my left) and got to the corner and posted up there. What the fuck. I looked to my right and right next to me was a guy with his back to the wall and the police had him surrounded. I was too late to see what had actually happened, but there was another guy with a jacket and backpack on pacing angrily as if maybe the guy had done something to him. And there was a big ass crowd around, looking on from both sides of the street. Even more police came and pulled up on the sidewalk on their motorcycle. How the hell did I just walk right into the middle of this? I am standing there listening but they really were not saying anything. Eventually they just told the guy to get ass away from there and soon the crowd dispersed leaving nothing but the sweet sight of some fine ass Venezuelans.
[/QUOTE]I was there this past October 2018 and have the same observations BUT I was there on a Friday and Saturday night and the venies were literally shoulder to shoulder most of the block, I am thinking WTF, I found a really cute, I mean really cute 22 yo venie, thin with a perfect smile that could have been a model on Abercrombie & Fitch as a teenager, I just had to have her, great attitude and fun.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Routard;2287075]Actually there is no direct link between poverty and prostitution offer.[/QUOTE]Tell that to all those Venezuelans that have showed up in Bogota and Lima recently! The more education and the better off a chick is financially, the least the chances of her being a hooker. I am by no means saying that ALL poor chicks will be hookers, but it is definitely an ingredient in the recipe.

I will be in Bogota in March 7 too. Would be nice if we can meet as It's going to be my first time as well. Why you want to rent an airbnb? I was able to find nice 4 stars hotels for around $50/ night in Zona Rosa. Is there any reason that you want to rent an Airbnb? Aren't hotels more comfortable and safer for the first timers?

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2286892]I've finally booked my flight to come in a fortnight to Colombia for a month. Think I will stay in a hotel for the first few nights to get my bearings, probably in Chapinero, though the IBIS Museo looks tempting as it's so close to Santa Fe. Who has experience of walking there from the IBIS in the daytime, it's not far but whatever route I check looks dodgy. Can it be done safely?

Looking for Airbnb's in Bogota is seriously frustrating. None I have checked have heating, they have many customer complaints that their places were freezing in the morning / at night. But when I've asked them about a heater they come back with endless crap 'We are in the tropics / we don't use heating in Bogota / I will give you lots of blankets' !? I'm not paying 400 for a week to freeze my ass off on the equator!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XBoyx;2287192]I will be in Bogota in March 7 too. Would be nice if we can meet as It's going to be my first time as well. Why you want to rent an airbnb? I was able to find nice 4 stars hotels for around $50/ night in Zona Rosa. Is there any reason that you want to rent an Airbnb? Aren't hotels more comfortable and safer for the first timers?[/QUOTE]Because this is Colombia. If you are not staying in an American hotel then prepare to bend over and get fucked. The hotel I am in now I have been staying in for a couple of years. I had a girlfriend though so I was never running chicks in and out. It was just her, then I would walk down to Santa Fe when she was at work or whatever.

Well I had one chick that I have known for about 10 years come by 2 days ago. She stayed about 30 min. Yesterday I came in with another chick and before they would let her up they made me pay 57K ($18). She stayed about an hour and a half before she had to get back to work. In an airbnb you probably won't have that type of problem. To me what sux about airbnb is the service fee and cleaning fee that they add. I guess you have to pick your poison.

[QUOTE=Routard;2287075]Actually there is no direct link between poverty and prostitution offer. For me the number one monger destination is Germany, while Switzerland, Austria or Holland are also good options, not exactly third world countries and one of the worst shoud be something between Mauritania, Afghanistan, Sudan or Pakistan, not exactly rich countries.[/QUOTE]Totally true. Actually I thank God for wealth and wish these chicas were as well off as some of the German women with whom I have sessioned. I have had some really good times with them.

I go to troya because all girls wind up there anyway.

Vanecas are cheaper usually skinner if you like that.

My ATM card always works however sometimes on the weekend ATMs run out of money bedt to load up on pesos fri.

Davivienda at 400 k per withdrawal is still cheaper than other ATMs.

Ubers a lotta trouble taxis have a rate card posted the number you see corresponds to a value on the card pretty straight forward. I wouldn't know if a taxis messing with meter but 30 k is max I've ever paid.

Take asprin altitude gives you a headache first day nothing more.

Bring your own cigars.

Unless you want to buy the Colombian ones which are dipped in glue / ddt yuck.

Any cohibas you see are fake.

Its virtually impossible to get a fair deal with Colombian you have to constantly repeat how much your paying and what you want. Even after she agrees they just think its a free for all all the time.

Are hotels in Bogota also NOT girl-friendly anymore? Last trip 4-5 years ago stayed at Don Carlton, had no issues bringing girls. Has that changed?

[QUOTE=XBoyx;2287192]I will be in Bogota in March 7 too. Would be nice if we can meet as It's going to be my first time as well. Why you want to rent an airbnb? I was able to find nice 4 stars hotels for around $50/ night in Zona Rosa. Is there any reason that you want to rent an Airbnb? Aren't hotels more comfortable and safer for the first timers?[/QUOTE]If I'm staying anywhere for more than a couple of nights, I prefer an apartment as I like to eat / drink what I want & when I want and generally feel more at home in a nice apartment than a hotel room. If I was staying somewhere for 2 weeks for example, I wouldn't enjoy it and my health would suffer if I had to eat out / takaways etc the whole time! It's got nothing to do with bringing in chicas for me. In general I don't do that very often, because I'm more comfortable going to their place / a casa / meeting at a motel, and also not bringing them into my place for safety reasons. Hate to wait around too for a chica to ring my doorbell! PM me when you're there about meeting up.

Is there a list of girl friendly hotels? Are there hotels (not American hotels) that don't charge any fees for bringing girls?

Another question that may get me shot down in flames! A few pages back a poster said better to stay north of calle 80 in Chapinero. I don't find many reasonably priced places in north Chapinero, however can find many more further south, like central Chapinero, Quinta Camacho, La Porciuncula etc. My question is, which areas heading south from Calle 80 down to the bottom of Chapinero are shady to stay in and should be avoided?

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2287466]Another question that may get me shot down in flames! A few pages back a poster said better to stay north of calle 80 in Chapinero. I don't find many reasonably priced places in north Chapinero, however can find many more further south, like central Chapinero, Quinta Camacho, La Porciuncula etc. My question is, which areas heading south from Calle 80 down to the bottom of Chapinero are shady to stay in and should be avoided?[/QUOTE]My recommendation has always been, if you're concerned about being able to walk around the area, stay north of Calle 72. Generally between Carrera 7 and 15 is what I consider to be less scary for the novice visitor. For the particularly nervous types, I'd move that to north of Calle 85.

Of course that doesn't guarantee anything. Whether you stay on Calle 19, or Calle 129 doesn't make a huge difference in your security. It just means one area looks safer to you. And I'm not picking on you for this. I've seen plenty of reviews about very nice hotels, in very nice areas, where some gringo complained about how scary the neighborhood was.

When you go west of Carrera 15, it will look a bit shadier. It's not particularly bad, but it will look that way to you. Same is true south of Carrera 72 (or 85). My personal preference is to stay north, close to Carrera 15. There are plenty of places where you can get a suite, some with a kitchen, for $40-$50 per night. Some even have heat.

I choose to be close to Carrera 15 because I use the Transmilenio. Although it's crowded and bumpy, it's much faster and cheaper than anything else. Why spend $5-$8 for a 45 minute ride, when you can get there in 20 minutes for a Dollar? 2 round trips a day and you're spending the same as getting a cheaper place and taking taxis.

If you're sticking with taxis or Uber, there's an option that doesn't get mentioned much. That's to stay over around the US Embassy in Teusaquillo. There's plenty of budget options for reasonable lodging and you're bypassing much of the worst traffic. Once again, it will probably look scary, but it's not a bad area. It's also near the National University of Colombia. That means lots of cheap food options and plenty of eye candy.

As I said before, how scary an area looks to you, has nothing to do with the dangers in the area. How you look in the area is what matters. Dress appropriately. Decent jeans, a reasonable shirt and a light to midweight jacket will keep you from sticking out too much. No jewelry, no fat wallet in your pocket, no iPhone X in your hand and no looking around like you're starring in a horror film and you just heard a chainsaw. Walk comfortably, not like you're terrified someone's going to come along and ram a giant dildo up your ass.

Know where you're going, even if you have no idea. If you look lost or confused, you look like an easy target. If you're not sure, or if you think someone is paying too much attention to you, stop in a store or restaurant. Buy a bottle of water and take a few minutes to figure out where you are and where you want to go. 99.9% of the people are going about their business and have no interest in your business. The other 0. 1% are looking for an easy target. If you don't look like one, they'll keep looking.

If you are feeling too nervous, use Tappsi or Easy Taxi to call a taxi and have them take you where you want to go.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2287466]Another question that may get me shot down in flames! A few pages back a poster said better to stay north of calle 80 in Chapinero. I don't find many reasonably priced places in north Chapinero, however can find many more further south, like central Chapinero, Quinta Camacho, La Porciuncula etc. My question is, which areas heading south from Calle 80 down to the bottom of Chapinero are shady to stay in and should be avoided?[/QUOTE]Teqandama area is a great place to stay, walking distance to Santa Fe. Also East 19th St area.

[QUOTE=TomPower;2287397]Bring your own cigars.

Unless you want to buy the Colombian ones which are dipped in glue / ddt yuck.

Any cohibas you see are fake.

Its virtually impossible to get a fair deal with Colombian you have to constantly repeat how much your paying and what you want. Even after she agrees they just think its a free for all all the time.[/QUOTE]Actually La Cava Del Puro in Zona Rosa has really Cohibas and other Cuban cigars.

I deal with Colombian all the time for many different things, you are wrong.

Nice work, She is gorgeous.

Any chance for BBBJ or oral natural? If so, how much is avg cost there?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=TomPower;2287397]I go to troya because all girls wind up there anyway.

Vanecas are cheaper usually skinner if you like that.

My ATM card always works however sometimes on the weekend ATMs run out of money bedt to load up on pesos fri.

Davivienda at 400 k per withdrawal is still cheaper than other ATMs.

Ubers a lotta trouble taxis have a rate card posted the number you see corresponds to a value on the card pretty straight forward. I wouldn't know if a taxis messing with meter but 30 k is max I've ever paid.

Take asprin altitude gives you a headache first day nothing more.

Bring your own cigars.

Unless you want to buy the Colombian ones which are dipped in glue / ddt yuck.

Any cohibas you see are fake.

Its virtually impossible to get a fair deal with Colombian you have to constantly repeat how much your paying and what you want. Even after she agrees they just think its a free for all all the time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2287466]My question is, which areas heading south from Calle 80 down to the bottom of Chapinero are shady to stay in and should be avoided?[/QUOTE]You know, there are people who say that every area south of Texas is shady and should be avoided.

It depends on YOU which area you feel comfortable in. It also depends on you which climate you feel confortable in. Wear an extra layer of clothes in the evening or on a rainy day in Bogota and sleep under an extra blanket, or go somewhere warmer like Medellin.

My favourite area of Bogota now is Zona G in Chapinero around Cra 5 and Calle 70. Plenty of good restaurants in the area because well to do Colombians live above there. In my room in Hotel Emaus (120 k on booking) I was surprised to see an electric heater, not common in Bogota. The bathtub instead of shower was good, too.

I have received my Sugarbabies in three different hotels in Bogota and reception never even asked to see their ID. I had booked a double room, except one place where I paid 70 k for one person I had to pay 30 k to upgrade to double on days when I had a visitor.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2287248]If you are not staying in an American hotel then prepare to bend over and get fucked. [/QUOTE]How much extra is it for bareback?

Anyway, I never stay at American hotels but I have not yet been offered this service.

By the way, at the FKKs in Germany very few girls are German. Almost all come from the poorest parts of the European Union like Romania.

[QUOTE=Arcangel;2287893]You know, there are people who say that every area south of Texas is shady and should be avoided.
[/QUOTE]Don't go south of Chaperino unless you're going to La Candelaria which is the "old city" with lots of museums and other things. Downtown Bogota is also close to La Candelaria if I remember correctly with all the office buildings. It's fine by the day. At night stick to north Bogota.

But Senior Yippie, Bogota is a safe city, you say? Not really. Especially if its your first time. You don't want to get drugged and robbed. There's tons of time during the day to fuck in brothels in Chaperino. For night life try to get a chicas number and go to El Retiro. There is an area there with tons of restaurants, clubs, and casinos.

EDIT: Also make sure you visit the Mezzanine girls. Its in the Bogota map maintained here. It's quiet an experience to fuck in a closet.

My recommendation has always been, if you're concerned about being able to walk around the area, stay north of Calle 72. Generally between Carrera 7 and 15 is what I consider to be less scary for the novice visitor. For the particularly nervous types, I'd move that to north of Calle 85. This is from Jjbee. It is really good advice for anyone new around here. I live here and generally true for me too. North of 72 is just fine. Great advice so follow it. A cab to Santa Fe is no more than five dollars from carrera 15 and calle 100. Comfortable and safe. I don't use the Transmilenio. Just personal taste.

After a few days off duty due to feeling a bit under the weather, I've lined up a couple of mature photoprepagos girls in the next few days. Probably not to everyone's tastes, but I'm a fan of all natural amateur type looking women, and these girls have excellent reviews and have been very responsive to whatsapp messages so my expectations are high! Will report back.

I was planning on scoping out Santa Fe, but not sure I'll bother despite not really being fazed by the area after spending a lot of time in Medellin Centro. As it's my last few days in the country I think I'll just order girls to come to me instead.

[QUOTE=JustReading;2288140]I was planning on scoping out Santa Fe, but not sure I'll bother despite not really being fazed by the area after spending a lot of time in Medellin Centro.[/QUOTE]But it is not the same thing!

I am coming to Bogota for a vacation. Can you recommend an escort:

18 - 45.

Natural breasts.

Allows CIM?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2288181]But it is not the same thing![/QUOTE]My taxi driver drove me through there earlier this evening after nightfall, and I'm in agreement with you there! For me Medellin Centro didn't seem so bad as you always had the relative salvation of the museum and metro station quite close by. Not sure if Santa Fe is any better in the daytime, but it looked pretty daunting to me even as an experienced traveller from the safety of the car!

The first day I took a taxi at around 1 pm.

But, while I was walking a person was siting in a door way, with big tits hanging out, but then the person pulled open the shirt to show me a big dick.

Be careful!

I walked until I found the right chica.

Nice bareback blow job.

Yesterday I went back around 2 pm.

I found a chica in a bar doorway. We went inside. I paid and went into a bed room.

I did not like the bullshit and put my pants to find my money was taken out of my pants.

We had a fight trying to get my money back. I grabbed for the purse, but she got to it first and sprayed me with pepper spray.

After washing my eyes out I went and complained to the bar people to no avail.

So, I was the one to get Fucked.

[QUOTE=JustReading;2288618]My taxi driver drove me through there earlier this evening after nightfall, and I'm in agreement with you there! For me Medellin Centro didn't seem so bad as you always had the relative salvation of the museum and metro station quite close by. Not sure if Santa Fe is any better in the daytime, but it looked pretty daunting to me even as an experienced traveller from the safety of the car![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustReading;2288618]My taxi driver drove me through there earlier this evening after nightfall, and I'm in agreement with you there! For me Medellin Centro didn't seem so bad as you always had the relative salvation of the museum and metro station quite close by.[/QUOTE]LOL. I was thinking just the opposite! I would say Santa Fe is the less shadier of the two. Lots more addicts and street people mixed in on the Medellin scene. Although I have never had a problem in either place.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2288844]I found a chica in a bar doorway. We went inside. I paid and went into a bed room.

I did not like the bullshit and put my pants to find my money was taken out of my pants.

I had a fight trying to get my money back. I grabbed for the purse, but she got to it first and sprayed me with pepper spray..[/QUOTE]Seems you skipped over some things. What bullshit did you not like? I have never heard of something like this happening in Santa Fe. When putting my clothes on the hooks, I always put my pants on the bottom and cover them up with everything else. I also have a drawstring backpack that I can put my things in. Or you can always roll them up and use them as a pillow. Also a good idea to make them undress before you undress and you dress before they dress.

World Travel 69's bad experience definitely needs some more explantion and details!

I'm coming down next week finally. Booked the first few nights at a hotel near Santa Fe, will venture there in the day once I've got my bearings. Then rented a nice looking Airbnb near Parque 93 for another week, hope it's warm enough!

I know these issues have been mentioned before, but I can't seem to find the answers anywhere. Namely, what's the best company to get a local SIM car from? What's a good daytime hotel to take a chica with hourly rates / what area can you find them (central chapinero? And where is the club Mezzanine 8 that a contributor mentioned he had a good time at? I don't find it on Routard's list.

Cheers guys!

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2288972]
I know these issues have been mentioned before, but I can't seem to find the answers anywhere. Namely, what's the best company to get a local SIM car from?
[/QUOTE]I used to get a sim prepaid card from Tigo with something like 5 Gigs of data for 30-50 k (forgot the total amount). Then they started to do dumbshit like turn off my service because my phone wasn't certified (too new for Colombia). Now I just paid a flat fee for roaming internationally with my home provider.

Man, I wouldn't stay anywhere near Santa Fe. You're better off in North Bogota the entire time.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2287504]

As I said before, how scary an area looks to you, has nothing to do with the dangers in the area. How you look in the area is what matters. Dress appropriately. Decent jeans, a reasonable shirt and a light to midweight jacket will keep you from sticking out too much. No jewelry, no fat wallet in your pocket, no iPhone X in your hand and no looking around like you're starring in a horror film and you just heard a chainsaw. Walk comfortably, not like you're terrified someone's going to come along and ram a giant dildo up your ass. [/QUOTE]JjBee62 and everyone else who gave me advice, thanks a lot! By the way, as well as being informative, your post has the added bonus of being hillarious! It's good that I asked, because in terms of good / shady areas, I was just thinking in terms of north and south, I didn't realise it also goes for east / west too. Good to know! What do you mean by 'a good shirt' by the way, I normally wear t-shirts under my jackets. Are Tappsi / Easy Taxi Colombian apps or international? I didn't know about them before.

How about cycling through Santa Fe during the day to check out the chica's, anyone ever done this ? I guess it wouldn't be a good place to leave a bike (even locked), when you're busy having a good time with a chica !

I see there's a bus T13 that runs all the way down Carrera 7 from north Chapinero to the hotel San Francisco beside Santa Fe. I know it's all relative, but is that route / bus 'safe' ?

For any of you guys who know these places, I've hung out in Buenos Aires Microcentro clubs area and Santa Fe day and night, stayed in Paulista in Sao Paulo and walked from there to the downtown clubs at night (ie Big Ben), and walked up and down Avenida Independencia in Santo Domingo at night too, all with no problems. So I was wondering, are you giving me such specific advice on how to stay safe because Bogota is a step up in relative danger from any of those places, or just because I seem nervous and have asked so many questions?

They are in this thread:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2205-Bogota-Lists[/URL]

Think of Bogota as a long line, North and South. That is why the maps are in three sections.

Trying to bike a 3 block by 3 block area you will not see much. You will be dodging taxis, cars and people.

I went Buenos Aires ten years in a row. Bogota is not anything like it.

There are lots of buses. They changed the lines a few years back. There is a TransMilenio bus map online. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nexura.transmilenio&hl=es_CO

As for sim cards I always have used Movistar. But, I have noticed that there seems to be more Claro companies.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2288981]JjBee62 and everyone else who gave me advice, thanks a lot! By the way, as well as being informative, your post has the added bonus of being hillarious! It's good that I asked, because in terms of good / shady areas, I was just thinking in terms of north and south, I didn't realise it also goes for east / west too. Good to know! What do you mean by 'a good shirt'
by the way, I normally wear t-shirts under my jackets. Are Tappsi / Easy Taxi Colombian apps or international? I didn't know about them before.

How about cycling through Santa Fe during the day to check out the chica's, anyone ever done this ? I guess it wouldn't be a good place to leave a bike (even locked), when you're busy having a good time with a chica !

I see there's a bus T13 that runs all the way down Carrera 7 from north Chapinero to the hotel San Francisco beside Santa Fe. I know it's all relative, but is that route / bus 'safe' ?

For any of you guys who know these places, I've hung out in Buenos Aires Microcentro clubs area and Santa Fe day and night, stayed in Paulista in Sao Paulo and walked from there to the downtown clubs at night (ie Big Ben), and walked up and down Avenida Independencia in Santo Domingo at night too, all with no problems. So I was wondering, are you giving me such specific advice on how to stay safe because Bogota is a step up in relative danger from any of those places, or just because I seem nervous and have asked so many questions?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2288981]JjBee62 and everyone else who gave me advice, thanks a lot! By the way, as well as being informative, your post has the added bonus of being hillarious! It's good that I asked, because in terms of good / shady areas, I was just thinking in terms of north and south, I didn't realise it also goes for east / west too. Good to know! What do you mean by 'a good shirt' by the way, I normally wear t-shirts under my jackets. Are Tappsi / Easy Taxi Colombian apps or international? I didn't know about them before.

How about cycling through Santa Fe during the day to check out the chica's, anyone ever done this ? I guess it wouldn't be a good place to leave a bike (even locked), when you're busy having a good time with a chica !

I see there's a bus T13 that runs all the way down Carrera 7 from north Chapinero to the hotel San Francisco beside Santa Fe. I know it's all relative, but is that route / bus 'safe' ?

For any of you guys who know these places, I've hung out in Buenos Aires Microcentro clubs area and Santa Fe day and night, stayed in Paulista in Sao Paulo and walked from there to the downtown clubs at night (ie Big Ben), and walked up and down Avenida Independencia in Santo Domingo at night too, all with no problems. So I was wondering, are you giving me such specific advice on how to stay safe because Bogota is a step up in relative danger from any of those places, or just because I seem nervous and have asked so many questions?[/QUOTE]By a good shirt, I generally prefer a polo or a reasonable t-shirt. I'm not sure if Tappsi and Easy Taxi work outside of Colombia, but they work in Colombia. There's also an app for the Transmilenio and SITP buses that's quite handy. Helps to figure out which route you need. Just search your app store for Transmilenio and you'll find it.

The bus should not be a problem. You might end up standing, but it's a reasonable ride. The area east of Carrera 7 is a nice area. It's a nice place to walk.

Your other question about the Mezzanine, I'll answer here. It's located on the northwest corner of Carrera 15 and Calle 104. I'll attach a screenshot from street view. There's a short flight of stairs leading up to the 2nd floor. There are several small office suites, on that floor, both sides. My experience was that if you walk by someone will open the door and usher you in. There might be 4 or 5 places there. Each will have a few girls. It's sort of a massage parlor. The rooms are tiny and the tables are very short, but there are usually a few cuties working there.

There's another massage place just down the street, south 1/2 block, west side of the street, just south of Justo & Bueno. If they're still open it's up the short flight of stairs and first door on the right. Some good looking girls in there as well. I'll add a picture for that too.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2288981]How about cycling through Santa Fe during the day to check out the chica's, anyone ever done this ? [/QUOTE]Why keep trying to reinvent the wheel and stick out like a sore thumb on top of that? Just go there and walk around like all the other normal people.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2288844]The first day I took a taxi at around 1 pm.

But, while I was walking a person was siting in a door way, with big tits hanging out, but then the person pulled open the shirt to show me a big dick.

Be careful!

I walked until I found the right chica.

Nice bareback blow job.

Yesterday I went back around 2 pm.

I found a chica in a bar doorway. We went inside. I paid and went into a bed room.

I did not like the bullshit and put my pants to find my money was taken out of my pants.

We had a fight trying to get my money back. I grabbed for the purse, but she got to it first and sprayed me with pepper spray.

After washing my eyes out I went and complained to the bar people to no avail.

So, I was the one to get Fucked.[/QUOTE]No one ever gets robbed at these places, they are the safest places to have sex. That's what I was told, even though I felt very uncomfortable my first & only time at a casa. I am truly sorry to hear about your mishap. I will be visiting Bogota myself next month! Pollo negro is out!

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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2289047]Why keep trying to reinvent the wheel and stick out like a sore thumb on top of that? Just go there and walk around like all the other normal people.[/QUOTE]Actually there are guides available in Colombia CraigList that know how to keep you safe and save money and meet super hot girls. Search services, Tour Guide Travel assistance.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2288844]The first day I took a taxi at around 1 pm.

But, while I was walking a person was siting in a door way, with big tits hanging out, but then the person pulled open the shirt to show me a big dick.

Be careful!

I walked until I found the right chica.

Nice bareback blow job.

Yesterday I went back around 2 pm.

I found a chica in a bar doorway. We went inside. I paid and went into a bed room.

I did not like the bullshit and put my pants to find my money was taken out of my pants.

We had a fight trying to get my money back. I grabbed for the purse, but she got to it first and sprayed me with pepper spray.

After washing my eyes out I went and complained to the bar people to no avail.

So, I was the one to get Fucked.[/QUOTE]About 15 years ago in a Medellin casa I was showering after the session and out of the blue decided to get out fully wet to look at my trousers (I had never done that before). I caught the chica rifling through my pockets, she screamed, LOL. Ever since then I never let the container of my wallet out of my sight even if I have to take my trousers or bag into the bathroom with me.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2289290]About 15 years ago in a Medellin casa I was showering after the session and out of the blue decided to get out fully wet to look at my trousers (I had never done that before). I caught the chica rifling through my pockets, she screamed, LOL. Ever since then I never let the container of my wallet out of my sight even if I have to take my trousers or bag into the bathroom with me.[/QUOTE]Thats crazy. What happened? Did she apologize? Did you tell anyone working there? BTW, damn 15 years ago must have really been something compared to today?

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2289111]No one ever gets robbed at these places, they are the safest places to have sex. That's what I was told, even though I felt very uncomfortable my first & only time at a casa. I am truly sorry to hear about your mishap. I will be visiting Bogota myself next month! Pollo negro is out![/QUOTE]Ok, so PolloNegro is telling us again that he doesn't understand casas.

There are no casas in SantaFe. The girls are independent and they take you to a hotel room where management doesn't care what goes on. If you want a safe casa experience in Bogota, go to Chapinero. It's better value, too, because you get a half hour for less than the quicky (knock on door after 10 mins) in SantaFe.

If a girl doesn't perform or does something stupid in a casa, she's quickly out of a job and has to go stand on the street in SantaFe.

PolloNegro, you're an expert in Veracruz in Medellin, well SantaFe is like that only much bigger.

Me, I've had no sessions in Veracruz and disappointing ones in SantaFe, so I wouldn't recommend these areas, but I accept that for other guys that's their sweet spot.

You guys should know better. Always keep your money in a condom that you swallow. Then when it comes time to pay excuse yourself to the bathroom.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2288844]The first day I took a taxi at around 1 pm.

But, while I was walking a person was siting in a door way, with big tits hanging out, but then the person pulled open the shirt to show me a big dick.

Be careful!

I walked until I found the right chica.

Nice bareback blow job.

Yesterday I went back around 2 pm.

I found a chica in a bar doorway. We went inside. I paid and went into a bed room.

I did not like the bullshit and put my pants to find my money was taken out of my pants..[/QUOTE]Wow you must have a lot of bad luck, I have lived in Bogota 7 Plus yrs and been to SF 1000 Plus times.

Never really had any problems like you describe. Just saying.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2289111]No one ever gets robbed at these places, they are the safest places to have sex. That's what I was told, even though I felt very uncomfortable my first & only time at a casa. I am truly sorry to hear about your mishap. I will be visiting Bogota myself next month! Pollo negro is out![/QUOTE]He wasn't in a casa. He was in a short time room with a streetwalker.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2289298]Thats crazy. What happened? Did she apologize? Did you tell anyone working there? BTW, damn 15 years ago must have really been something compared to today?[/QUOTE]She didn't apologize but looked scared, probably thought I was going to report her which I didn't. I didn't say a word to her or papasan. Back then in my trips I never saw a fellow American and the girls were much thinner then, there were still some fatties but the majority were slim. Also there were more good looking girls and much more white girls. Good days. Its still good today though.

I was at Bancolombia taking out $100 usd and the screen said "we can't process your transaction right now because of technical difficulties". No problem. They charged my account anyway but when that happens, it usually gets reimbursed in 5 minutes. It's been 4 days and still no reimbursement. I went to the Bancolombia bank that the ATM belonged to and they said they can't do anything about it and I have to talk with my bank. I talked to my bank and they said they will look into it and send me a letter with a decision in 14 Business days. I remember this happening to my cousin 2 years ago when he took out $400 usd in pesos Colombianos from another Colombian ATM and he waited too long to grab it and the ATM just ate back the money but still charged him the $400. He talked with his American bank and after a month, his bank only agreed to pay him back $200. Ever since then, my cousin no longer uses ATMS.

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Warning, my friend who is from the states just got robbed. He was walking alone through Chapinero and then 3 guys approached him (1 of them had a knife) and asked him for his phone and then asked him for his wallet. He obliged and they let him go after. He said he ran 4 blocks up and told 2 policemen on a motorcycle and they went off but nothing happened. The bad luck with the ATM machine happened to me but my friend who was alone had it really bad! Stay Safe out there!

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2288976]I used to get a sim prepaid card from Tigo with something like 5 Gigs of data for 30-50 k (forgot the total amount). Then they started to do dumbshit like turn off my service because my phone wasn't certified (too new for Colombia). Now I just paid a flat fee for roaming internationally with my home provider.

Man, I wouldn't stay anywhere near Santa Fe. You're better off in North Bogota the entire time.[/QUOTE]It's a stupid law, but calling in and inputing the IMEI to register the phone should take all of 2-3 minutes.

If your Spanish isn't good enough, get the person selling the SIMcard to help you. Slip them an extra 2000 or so for their trouble.

Also, if your phone is blocked in Colombia, it could very well be blocked in the US too, so be careful!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2289047]Why keep trying to reinvent the wheel and stick out like a sore thumb on top of that? Just go there and walk around like all the other normal people.[/QUOTE]You could also bike in and park at the parking garage, entances on cra 16 and 16 a north of cll 23.

But yeah, don't cycle around, just walk.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;2288085]My recommendation has always been, if you're concerned about being able to walk around the area, stay north of Calle 72. Generally between Carrera 7 and 15 is what I consider to be less scary for the novice visitor. For the particularly nervous types, I'd move that to north of Calle 85. This is from Jjbee. It is really good advice for anyone new around here. I live here and generally true for me too. North of 72 is just fine. Great advice so follow it. A cab to Santa Fe is no more than five dollars from carrera 15 and calle 100. Comfortable and safe. I don't use the Transmilenio. Just personal taste.[/QUOTE]I couldn't conceive of worse advice!

1) the north is actually the MOST dangerous part of Bogotá to be hanging out at, ESPECIALLY if you're solo. Thieves in Bogotá go where the money is.

2) it's also the most boring and most expensive.

Honestly, if you want to stay north of 72, it's better to not even come here!

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2289834]I was at Bancolombia taking out $100 usd and the screen said "we can't process your transaction right now because of technical difficulties". No problem. They charged my account anyway but when that happens, it usually gets reimbursed in 5 minutes. It's been 4 days and still no reimbursement. I went to the Bancolombia bank that the ATM belonged to and they said they can't do anything about it and I have to talk with my bank. I talked to my bank and they said they will look into it and send me a letter with a decision in 14 Business days. I remember this happening to my cousin 2 years ago when he took out $400 usd in pesos Colombianos from another Colombian ATM and he waited too long to grab it and the ATM just ate back the money but still charged him the $400. He talked with his American bank and after a month, his bank only agreed to pay him back $200. Ever since then, my cousin no longer uses ATMS.[/QUOTE]When it comes to money in traveling abroad, estimate, and always bring everything you need with you. Change a little over in the airport, and the rest on the street. When you go out, take only what you need from the stash. I've done it this way for years, and never had to dick around with ATMs or banks.

[QUOTE=Arcangel;2289380]Ok, so PolloNegro is telling us again that he doesn't understand casas.

There are no casas in SantaFe. The girls are independent and they take you to a hotel room where management doesn't care what goes on. If you want a safe casa experience in Bogota, go to Chapinero. It's better value, too, because you get a half hour for less than the quicky (knock on door after 10 mins) in SantaFe.

If a girl doesn't perform or does something stupid in a casa, she's quickly out of a job and has to go stand on the street in SantaFe.

PolloNegro, you're an expert in Veracruz in Medellin, well SantaFe is like that only much bigger.

Me, I've had no sessions in Veracruz and disappointing ones in SantaFe, so I wouldn't recommend these areas, but I accept that for other guys that's their sweet spot.[/QUOTE]I absolutely agree about going to Chapinero. It's better all the way around. Better prices, service, and safer. There's so much focus on Santa Fe, but I don't know why anyone bothers.

I guess that is the reason there are no police in Beverly Hills Calif, Forest Hills NY, Fisherman's Wharf in S. F. Best to stay out of every nice place. Parque 93 in Bogota must be avoided then. I can't figure out why there are so many people on Carrera 15 and Carrera 11 walking around at all hours of the night. Guess its better to hide out on skid row. No one would think of looking for a rich gringo there.

Goofy ideas get goofy responses.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2290071]I couldn't conceive of worse advice!

1) the north is actually the MOST dangerous part of Bogot to be hanging out at, ESPECIALLY if you're solo. Thieves in Bogot go where the money is.

2) it's also the most boring and most expensive.

Honestly, if you want to stay north of 72, it's better to not even come here![/QUOTE]Yes, that is where the kidnap taxis are, a us diplomat was murdered a few years back that way.

Also in La Candeleria tourists are hunted and there have been whole hostels robbed there in the past.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2290067]It's a stupid law, but calling in and inputing the IMEI to register the phone should take all of 2-3 minutes.

If your Spanish isn't good enough, get the person selling the SIMcard to help you. Slip them an extra 2000 or so for their trouble.

Also, if your phone is blocked in Colombia, it could very well be blocked in the US too, so be careful![/QUOTE]They do this for you at PanAmericano stores, there are representatives for TIGO, Virgen, Claro.

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2289834]I was at Bancolombia taking out $100 usd and the screen said "we can't process your transaction right now because of technical difficulties". No problem. They charged my account anyway but when that happens, it usually gets reimbursed in 5 minutes. It's been 4 days and still no reimbursement. I went to the Bancolombia bank that the ATM belonged to and they said they can't do anything about it and I have to talk with my bank. I talked to my bank and they said they will look into it and send me a letter with a decision in 14 Business days. I remember this happening to my cousin 2 years ago when he took out $400 usd in pesos Colombianos from another Colombian ATM and he waited too long to grab it and the ATM just ate back the money but still charged him the $400. He talked with his American bank and after a month, his bank only agreed to pay him back $200. Ever since then, my cousin no longer uses ATMS.[/QUOTE]Schwab checking is free with Free ATM except if you go to Citi.

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2290065]Warning, my friend who is from the states just got robbed. He was walking alone through Chapinero and then 3 guys approached him (1 of them had a knife) and asked him for his phone and then asked him for his wallet. He obliged and they let him go after. He said he ran 4 blocks up and told 2 policemen on a motorcycle and they went off but nothing happened. The bad luck with the ATM machine happened to me but my friend who was alone had it really bad! Stay Safe out there![/QUOTE]Please provide some more details, ie in what part of Chapinero? Its quite a big place. At what time of the day or night did this happen? How was he dressed, very touristy? Was he standing out too much?

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2290071]I couldn't conceive of worse advice!

1) the north is actually the MOST dangerous part of Bogot to be hanging out at, ESPECIALLY if you're solo. Thieves in Bogot go where the money is.

2) it's also the most boring and most expensive.

Honestly, if you want to stay north of 72, it's better to not even come here![/QUOTE]There are lot's of prepagados and apartment chicas in Chapinero & Usaquen I like the look of, so seems around Parque 93 where I reserved would be a good area to stay? So you're saying it's dangerous to walk around at night? Not planning to do that anyway. I can take the transmillenio or a cab downtown from there during the daytime to see the sights or visit Santa Fe. Are you just trying to make me paranoid maybe?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2289290]About 15 years ago in a Medellin casa I was showering after the session and out of the blue decided to get out fully wet to look at my trousers (I had never done that before). I caught the chica rifling through my pockets, she screamed, LOL. Ever since then I never let the container of my wallet out of my sight even if I have to take my trousers or bag into the bathroom with me.[/QUOTE]When visiting Casas / apartments etc, I ALWAYS take all my belongings into the bathroom with me and lock the door, Even if they say I don't have to as there's nobody else there, I just politely ignore them. I don't know what you expected to be honest, what happened doesn't surprise me at all. It's as bad as going to a bar / restaurant, leaving your belongings at your table and going to bathroom, expecting them to be there when you got back!

I remember a long time ago in the early 2000's I went to Sofia, Bulgaria when I was pretty young and naive. I took a woman I met who was standing outside into some cheap hotel they used, paid her, then she told me to go wash. When I came out of the bathroom she had disappeared. At first I was really surprised and a bit angry, but now looking back I was a complete sucker and was asking for it!

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2289834]I was at Bancolombia taking out $100 usd and the screen said "we can't process your transaction right now because of technical difficulties". No problem. They charged my account anyway but when that happens, it usually gets reimbursed in 5 minutes. It's been 4 days and still no reimbursement. I went to the Bancolombia bank that the ATM belonged to and they said they can't do anything about it and I have to talk with my bank. I talked to my bank and they said they will look into it and send me a letter with a decision in 14 Business days. I remember this happening to my cousin 2 years ago when he took out $400 usd in pesos Colombianos from another Colombian ATM and he waited too long to grab it and the ATM just ate back the money but still charged him the $400. He talked with his American bank and after a month, his bank only agreed to pay him back $200. Ever since then, my cousin no longer uses ATMS.[/QUOTE]Did you go in when it happened or later? Once in Buenos Aires, the ATM said I had taken the amount (can't remember how much), but gave me nothing! I went straight into the bank, and was pretty full on with the staff there. The bank teller explained to me that noting would show up on my account. I wasn't convinced, so took me to the back of the ATM, where he accessed it's computer, printed out a massive list of transactions and showed me nothing had shown up for the amount I tried to take.

Similar with what happened to your cousin, once in the UK the bills came out sideways all twisted up from the machine, I was grabbing them and trying to prise them from the machine as fast as I could, but it closed before I could get them all! I was down hundreds of pounds. I spoke to the staff, they did a check of the ATM, real cash out VS requested amount out, saw the discrepancy, and I was reimbursed. You just have to get in there, tell them the story and insist, because they definitely have the tools to check exactly what happened. Sounds like Bancolombia are just fobbing you off, it's go nothing to do with your bank, the technical problem was with their machine!

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2290170]Yes, that is where the kidnap taxis are, a us diplomat was murdered a few years back that way.

Also in La Candeleria tourists are hunted and there have been whole hostels robbed there in the past.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about what happened in 1980, or a more recent incident?

[QUOTE=Routard;2287075]Actually there is no direct link between poverty and prostitution offer. For me the number one monger destination is Germany, while Switzerland, Austria or Holland are also good options, not exactly third world countries and one of the worst shoud be something between Mauritania, Afghanistan, Sudan or Pakistan, not exactly rich countries.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Try mongering in the poorest latin American country, nicuragua. Not good.

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[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2290071]I couldn't conceive of worse advice!

1) the north is actually the MOST dangerous part of Bogot to be hanging out at, ESPECIALLY if you're solo. Thieves in Bogot go where the money is.

2) it's also the most boring and most expensive.

Honestly, if you want to stay north of 72, it's better to not even come here![/QUOTE]I'm going to disagree with a qualification.

Most expensive yes. Boring is subjective. I've never been bored in North Bogota. However, I'm sure some people wouldn't care for it. Expensive is also a relative thing. You can find great places for $60 night or under. My last visit For $48 per night I found a place that was 4 times the size of a hotel room in lovely Michigan City, Indiana, that I stayed in every week for $100 per night. And that was 10 years ago.

Safety. Thieves look for easy victims. If you look like an easy victim, it doesn't matter where you are. Walking around staring at your phone, walking around counting your money, walking around obviously lost, all make you vulnerable. Don't act like a victim and you're less likely to be a victim.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2290251]When visiting Casas / apartments etc, I ALWAYS take all my belongings into the bathroom with me and lock the door,[/QUOTE]You might have a problem with that in Colombia since the casas do not have doors to the bathroom.

[QUOTE=HumanBeing1;2290330]Exactly. Try mongering in the poorest latin American country, nicuragua. Not good.[/QUOTE]What is not good about it? A buddy of mine swore by Managua before getting his place in Medellin. He was getting all kind of chicks for $6. I have had a couple of girlfriends in Managua, but never had the chance to monger there because I would stay at their houses.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2290071]I couldn't conceive of worse advice!

1) the north is actually the MOST dangerous part of Bogot to be hanging out at, ESPECIALLY if you're solo. Thieves in Bogot go where the money is.

2) it's also the most boring and most expensive.

Honestly, if you want to stay north of 72, it's better to not even come here![/QUOTE]It's OK if you feel confortable in the poorer area of Bogota. I apreciate both, but for first timers, south is definitvely not to recommend untel they get used with the city. True, shit can happen everywhere, and thiefes are everywhere. But in the northern areas there is much more protection. I live in the north because of safety. South, the houses and apartments are robbed anytime, while north any building has a 24 hours safety guard. There are more cameras, more police and everywhere there are private body guards you probably never had noticed as they are discrete. Once a guy robbed the cellphone of my girl friend from the open window of the car while she was waiting at the traffic light at 200m from where we live. From the car behind her, came out three armed bodyguards showing their gun and asking the guy to give the cellphone back. Last month I was having a coffee at my favorite terras. Suddenly someone yelled for a thief in the street. In couple of no time the thief was on the ground with several bodyguards on him. This will not happen in the south.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2290170]Yes, that is where the kidnap taxis are, a us diplomat was murdered a few years back that way.

Also in La Candeleria tourists are hunted and there have been whole hostels robbed there in the past.[/QUOTE]True this stuff, how quickly people forget the reality of the perception of danger.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=HumanBeing1;2290330]Exactly. Try mongering in the poorest latin American country, nicuragua. Not good.[/QUOTE]I'd rather monger in the richest Latin American countries viz. Brazil, Mexico, Colombia than the poorest ones Nicaragua, Honduras, Bolivia.

[QUOTE=HumanBeing1;2290330]Exactly. Try mongering in the poorest latin American country, nicuragua. Not good.[/QUOTE]Most Central American countries have a bias against Americans, Mexico too. They are propagandized against the US.

Colombia is one of the best for Americans to visit as they like Americans and are our best friend in Latin America. George Bush saved Colombia and they are grateful.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2290237]Please provide some more details, ie in what part of Chapinero? Its quite a big place. At what time of the day or night did this happen? How was he dressed, very touristy? Was he standing out too much?[/QUOTE]He was visiting the area with the casas and he wasn't dressed fancy at all. He had Adidas sweatpants on with a hat and a jacket. He actually looks like a native Colombian. I advise that you guys don't carry your debit card with you as there is a thing called "la vuelta millionaria" where they take you to an ATM and then to another ATM and take your money out until your balance is $0. If they thought he was American in that very second, he might have been kidnapped but they probably found out he was American when they looked at his ID in his wallet later.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2290109]When it comes to money in traveling abroad, estimate, and always bring everything you need with you. Change a little over in the airport, and the rest on the street. When you go out, take only what you need from the stash. I've done it this way for years, and never had to dick around with ATMs or banks.[/QUOTE]This. Whenever I have travelled SEA I took USD and followed same modus operandi as yours. But people on this forum say using ATMs give better exchange rates. So maybe there is a point for using ATMs.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2290886]This. Whenever I have travelled SEA I took USD and followed same modus operandi as yours. But people on this forum say using ATMs give better exchange rates. So maybe there is a point for using ATMs.[/QUOTE]That is because exchanges in Southeast Asia give fairer rates than other places. Best to use ATM in other countries, besides maybe Peru where you can exchange with people on the street. Although it is said they are about to do away with that.

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2290707]He was visiting the area with the casas and he wasn't dressed fancy at all. He had Adidas sweatpants on with a hat and a jacket. He actually looks like a native Colombian. I advise that you guys don't carry your debit card with you as there is a thing called "la vuelta millionaria" where they take you to an ATM and then to another ATM and take your money out until your balance is $0. If they thought he was American in that very second, he might have been kidnapped but they probably found out he was American when they looked at his ID in his wallet later.[/QUOTE]Is this report serious? I thought kidnappings happened in the Farc controlled areas in the past. Can somebody please give me an actual example of a tourist having been kidnapped in recent years in Bogota, otherwise I wish people would stop writing inflammatory things like this. Maybe I should stop reading this blog, at least until I get there! From my research, the casas in Chapinero are spread out, so what do you mean by the Casa area ? And was this is daylight or at night ?

After weeks of asking questions and getting replies, I am really confused about what kind of city Bogota is. I get all kinds of contradictory advice. On the one extreme there is Mr Enternational telling me to chill out and stop worrying, to Bluecar saying they would have kidnapped his friend if they knew he was American!?

This is supposed to be a vacation after all. A couple of months ago after first seeing the chicas available on prepagados there, I was really excited about coming. Now, 4 days before my flight, all I'm thinking about is all the things I have to worry about the place, and the chicas are far in the background of my mind, not how it should be! Researching the place so much, making sure you look and act just like the locals is bad enough, but having to worry about being kidnapped is something else! (If that is a reality?)

I am getting the impression that Bogota is the most dangerous of the well known cities in Colombia, and if you are unlucky enough to be attacked, that nobody would bat an eyelid. In any given area in Bogota, are there dodgy guys just hanging around waiting for a victim, it seems so!? I don't think a city can be considered even relatively safe or normal by Western standards anyway, if you have to avoid wearing the wrong type of shirt, shoes etc and not be able to take a mobile, bank cards or a visible watch with you in daylight without having a reasonable possibility of getting mugged for them. Blue Car says don't carry bank cards with you, but if you're staying at an Airbnb with no safe, then how can you keep your important items safe?

I'm sitting in a nice cafe in a wealthy northern European city, it's 16 C in February, there's a decent red light district 10 minutes walk from where I am, people leave 6000 Euro bicycles in the street here at night without worrying they will be stolen. So am I sensible to fly half way around the world just to get laid, with all this uncertainty about Bogota. It's stressful enough planning a trip for a month to a country you've never been before, and going solo, without reading about kidnappings!

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2291034]Is this report serious?[/QUOTE]You want an absolute answer but there is not one. You need to view it as a probability. It is unsafe in terms of higher probability.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2291034]After weeks of asking questions and getting replies, I am really confused about what kind of city Bogota is. I get all kinds of contradictory advice. On the one extreme there is Mr Enternational telling me to chill out and stop worrying, to Bluecar saying they would have kidnapped his friend if they knew he was American!?[/QUOTE]If worried stay and play in the north. Based on Routards advice I did that. Parque 93 area seemed safe, busy and with a few American brands. Met many friendly people as well has a few monger options within walking distance or short taxi ride. Yes, you pay more but, still decent. Generally stick to daytime if walking. Mezzanine is a great option but, don't just walk into the first door and pick the first lady.

You can go into multiple doors and look for your type and negotiate. There are strip clubs at night and as mentioned you can venture down to Chapinaro day clubs.

Check the travel schedule section maybe you can hookup with a wingman to open up more options. No matter where you are, you still have to be alert and on the lookout. (that goes for any destination).

In the daytime I always felt safe and at night just became more aware.

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I'm sitting in a nice cafe in a wealthy northern European city, it's 16 C in February, there's a decent red light district 10 minutes walk from where I am, people leave 6000 Euro bicycles in the street here at night without worrying they will be stolen. So am I sensible to fly half way around the world just to get laid, with all this uncertainty about Bogota. It's stressful enough planning a trip for a month to a country you've never been before, and going solo, without reading about kidnappings![/QUOTE]Just chill, you are worrying too much. I've stayed a few blocks from Santa Fe and walked freely. I also stayed in Chapinero as well and walked around at nigjt and went casa-hopping during the day time.

Here's a suggestion: on your first day join a walking group or a bicycle group (plenty of them, just Google) do some tourist stuff until you get comfortable. Then start with the "safer" option like the mezzanine massages, then day casa in Chapinero, then work your way up to Santa Fe,. Don't forget too, if you had a good session with, say, a mezzanine girl, arrange for her to overnight with you at your hotel (not sue if you booked Airbnb; I always prefer hotels with a front desk to hold girls' ID). You are getting a known level of service and most likely cheaper than the preparagos.

I had a lot of fun in Bogota, definitely in Santa Fe. I even prefer Bogota over Medellin. Stop worrying, stay calm and enjoy your time.

Thanks guys for your advice! The only problem is I'm starting my stay at a hotel downtown near Santa Fe, so if I want my first experience of the City to be in the north, I'll have to take the transmilenio or taxi there for the first few days. Parkinsons, that's a great suggestion re. the biking tour, as I'm into cycling anyway. Have already checked it out, I won't let this worry get me down. Anyway, if I don't like Bogota I can go elsewhere. I'm planning on staying a month in Colombia after all. Actually, will be staying in an Airbnb after my hotel, won't want to bring a chica back there. That's why I asked where the daytime motels (with hourly rates) etc are in Chapinero, but nobody answered me on that. Any ideas? By Mezzanine, you mean the chica joint that has been mentioned earlier?

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2291034]if you are unlucky enough to be attacked, that nobody would bat an eyelid. In any given area in Bogota, are there dodgy guys just hanging around waiting for a victim.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's exactly what those guys do LOL Look up the movie "Pickpockets" on Netflix. The main casa areas is from calle 63 to calle 71 in Chapinero. I guess what I meant by kidnapping is they take you to an ATM then to another ATM until they drain your bank account. If you're worried about getting mugged then go to the northern casas instead. The trick that those guys played on my friend is that when the 3 guys were walking towards my friend on the same side of the sidewalk, they were spread out to make it look like they weren't together but once they got really close, they all piled up on him. That was a tough situation to avoid because it's not like if you see some suspicious guys walking on your opposite direction, it will be odd to just suddenly turn around and walk back to the direction you were coming from.

I was in Santa Fe on Friday Night and out of nowhere a lot of girls started running away because the police raided Atunes. I think they arrested girls who didn't have their papers or proper documentation. Atunes and all the other for the exception of 3 clubs were very empty. We then decided to go to the Primer de Mayo clubs in the South and had a blast.

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2291097]Yes, that's exactly what those guys do LOL Look up the movie "Pickpockets" on Netflix. The main casa areas is from calle 63 to calle 71 in Chapinero. I guess what I meant by kidnapping is they take you to an ATM then to another ATM until they drain your bank account. If you're worried about getting mugged then go to the northern casas instead. The trick that those guys played on my friend is that when the 3 guys were walking towards my friend on the same side of the sidewalk, they were spread out to make it look like they weren't together but once they got really close, they all piled up on him. That was a tough situation to avoid because it's not like if you see some suspicious guys walking on your opposite direction, it will be odd to just suddenly turn around and walk back to the direction you were coming from.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info, but you still didn't say where this was or what time of the day or night? It would be pretty hard to march you from cashpoint to cashpoint in broad daylight in Chapinero I reckon with other people around. I seem to get the feeling you find this story somewhat amusing ? How old is your friend, are you guys very young? Anyway, I'm not going to let it put me off. And you shouldn't use the term kidnapping if that's not what you meant, otherwise it's just scaremongering. Can you give me a news link to any westerner that's actually been kidnapped in Bogota in recent years?

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2291120]And you shouldn't use the term kidnapping if that's not what you meant, otherwise it's just scaremongering. Can you give me a news link to any westerner that's actually been kidnapped in Bogota in recent years?[/QUOTE]Well what do you call taking someone against their will? It is called kidnapping. Happened to a buddy of mine that goes to Colombia all the time. (Not sure if it was day or night. Don't know what difference it would make.) Somehow he was drugged. The police found him lying in the street with no clothes on. He called some people that he is very close to in Barranquilla and they called someone they knew in Bogota to help him out. He did not have any money left or anything. It did not put him off. He still goes to Colombia all the time, but mostly stays in Barranquilla.

I guess the moral is that you can't live life being scared. I have been to Colombia over 100 times and nothing has ever happened to me and I have never seen anything happen to anybody. Maybe that is because I stay in what is considered the worst areas!

I decided to just hit my buddy up and ask. LOL. I guess me and Bango were right. They go to where the money is. No sense in going through all that trouble with poor people.

Me: hey man. when that shit happened to you in bogota was it in the day or night?

Him: At night [b]in a estata 6 neighborhood[/b] (Usaquen), a regular restaurant/bar called Luna Bar off calle 116 and cra 18. This was back in 2008

Me: ok

Him: Only had 2 beers, wasnt trolling for chicks, just checking out the scene on the way to Barranquilla for La Guacherna, which happens the wkd prior to carnaval there.

Him: Happened on a Thurs night layover in BOG....couldnt trust Delta to arrive on time, nor immigration to process us in time to catch the last flight to BAQ, so I had to stay in BOG that night. [b]My downfall was going out to what I thought was a safer area than Santa Fe[/b]

Me: lol. i always stay downtown next to santa fe.

Him: At the time, I was staying in a cheap hotel near El Campin, since I had an early flight to BAQ

Him: Now I alternate hotels between Chapinero (Abitare 56) and Parque 93 (GHL or Doubletree)

P.S. You are not going to find something like that in the news unless the person wound up dead. Check out the one lately in the Medellin thread about the Turkish university professor that was in town for a conference.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2291120]Thanks for the info, but you still didn't say where this was or what time of the day or night? It would be pretty hard to march you from cashpoint to cashpoint in broad daylight in Chapinero I reckon with other people around. I seem to get the feeling you find this story somewhat amusing ? How old is your friend, are you guys very young? Anyway, I'm not going to let it put me off. And you shouldn't use the term kidnapping if that's not what you meant, otherwise it's just scaremongering. Can you give me a news link to any westerner that's actually been kidnapped in Bogota in recent years?[/QUOTE]Around 5 years ago this was a thing in Bogota. How it worked was there would be 2 or more guys working together. 1 was a taxi driver. The taxi driver would pick a good spot to pick up tourists. Once they got a likely victim in the taxi, they would drive to a location where their accomplices were waiting. The guys would jump in the taxi, with a knife or gun and rob the passenger. If the guy had credit cards with him, they would drive around to different ATMs and force him to withdraw cash. They would do this until all the cards were blocked.

I haven't heard of this happening recently.

At the time it was recommended to either have someone call a taxi, or to use a taxi app. That way there's a record of the taxi number.

There are other things that are recommended. Don't carry a wallet. I only carry an ID, my room or apartment key and the cash I need for the day. I typically only carry my ATM card when I'm going to make a withdrawal. The only other thing is my phone. If I'm carrying more than 300 k, I'll split it between 2 pockets.

Learn where the busy streets are. When possible, stay to the busy streets. If someone doesn't look right, avoid them. Even if it means turning around.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2291144]Well what do you call taking someone against their will? It is called kidnapping. Happened to a buddy of mine that goes to Colombia all the time. (Not sure if it was day or night. Don't know what difference it would make.) Somehow he was drugged. The police found him lying in the street with no clothes on. He called some people that he is very close to in Barranquilla and they called someone they knew in Bogota to help him out. He did not have any money left or anything. It did not put him off. He still goes to Colombia all the time, but mostly stays in Barranquilla.

I guess the moral is that you can't live life being scared. I have been to Colombia over 100 times and nothing has ever happened to me and I have never seen anything happened to anybody. Maybe that is because I stay in what is considered the worst areas! [/QUOTE]Buddy, your posts are so contradictory and all over the place, I just don't know what to think of you anymore. A few pages back you were laughing when somebody said they were worried about being kidnapped in Santa Fe, but now you're trying to rub it in that this kind of things happens. Plus, you're always going on that nothing has ever happened to you (even though you admit to doing really dumb things like going into Santa Fe wearing diamond earrings!) But then at the same time you qualified the reason why yourself, saying it's because you're a black guy from the ghetto so you just blend in and nobody notices you. And therefore not because you behave in a way that doesn't make you a target! So are your posts helping anybody? You do dumb things, but it doesn't mater because nobody notices you anyway ?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2281841]Man you have me in stitches over here. Kidnap you? If they kidnap you they will have to feed you. Just tell them you eat too much to be kidnapped.

You are going to look like a moron walking up and down the same street. I will bet pesos to peanuts that you wonder about the other streets and go take a look. Why do you guys imagine Santa Fe and downtown Medelland to be war zones? [/QUOTE]Here's the post I'm talking about that you made, so make your mind up! On this one you're totally laughing at the possibility of him being kidnapped, but on my post you're agreeing with BlueCar and looking for other examples.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2291095]Thanks guys for your advice! The only problem is I'm starting my stay at a hotel downtown near Santa Fe, so if I want my first experience of the City to be in the north, I'll have to take the transmilenio or taxi there for the first few days. Parkinsons, that's a great suggestion re. the biking tour, as I'm into cycling anyway. Have already checked it out, I won't let this worry get me down. Anyway, if I don't like Bogota I can go elsewhere. I'm planning on staying a month in Colombia after all. Actually, will be staying in an Airbnb after my hotel, won't want to bring a chica back there. That's why I asked where the daytime motels (with hourly rates) etc are in Chapinero, but nobody answered me on that. Any ideas? By Mezzanine, you mean the chica joint that has been mentioned earlier?[/QUOTE]Hey man I think I remember you from the Santo Domingo board. It's safer in the DR but the chicas are trickier. In Colombia you'll find it's the other way around. I don't think you'll have any problems, stop worrying!

Yes by mezzanine I mean the office building in the north with the multiple massage parlors. There I sessioned with a cute university student whom I later brought back to my hotel.

The bike tour that I joined took us through Santa Fe. The guide explained the place to us, told us to look just don't take any photos. You can get a feel that way. But be warned: during the day the ones standing on the streets are mainly trannies or fatties. No way do they represent the talent working at night inside the clubs. Your jaw will drop when you see the chicas inside Club Paisas at night.

I would advise against preparagos. Most ad photos are bait and switches. And their prices are high.

During the day in Chapinero guys will hand out flyers (business cards) advertising for casas. They're legit. You'll learn a lot of places that way. Since you are there for a month, trust me by week 2 you'll be teaching us new places.

There are also quite many swinger clubs in Bogota - - I haven't tried those. They promote themselves on Instagram and some allow for single male visitors. Try them out too!

Finally, worst case scenario -- since you're there for a month - - if Bogota doesn't work for you, heck for $50 you can get roundtrip tickets to Medelln or Cali or Cartagena!

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2291150]But then at the same time you qualified the reason why yourself, saying it's because you're a black guy from the ghetto so you just blend in and nobody notices you. And therefore not because you behave in a way that doesn't make you a target! So are your posts helping anybody? You do dumb things, but it doesn't mater because nobody notices you anyway ?[/QUOTE]Well you just attributed two things to me that I have NEVER said. On the contrary I have always said that we as foreigners are NOT blending into shit no matter how much we think wearing khaki pants and a button down shirt is making us look like everyone else. I have also never said that nobody ever notices me. That would be a dumb thing to say. Of course people notice me. I am made of flesh; of matter. How could people with eyes not notice me?

And what dumb things do I do? All I do is walk around like everyone else on the street. That is why I can not understand what the big deal is. I am not trying to invent ways for people not to notice me that would make them notice me more! I have constantly said to just walk around and act like a normal person instead of creeping around like you are some secret super spy or something.

You are really trying to make traveling out to be a headache that it is not. Imagine if every person in each thread took the board through the shit that you are taking this one through each time they went to a new place. Nobody would ever get to discussing the whole idea of this forum, which is mongering!

Last week I went to Roatan, Honduras. I read a few posts on ISG before going. I read a few posts on tripadvisor to see where to stay. I asked ZERO fucking questions. I took my ass down there, did some scuba diving, hunted for chicks, and left. It was that simple. It was not something that took months of strategic planning and 1000 questions as if I was venturing out to space or something. THAT IS EXACTLY WHY I AM LAUGHING. And I think Honduras is supposed to be one of the most dangerous places on the planet.

"Honduras Travel Advisory. Bureau of Consular Affairs. US Department of State.

US Department of State (. Gov) travel .

Reconsider travel to Honduras due to crime. Some areas have increased risk. Read the entire Travel Advisory. "

Hell. I think at first you had said you were going to travel to Bogota like Feb 12 or whatever and I even offered to show you around at the time in order to put this shit to rest! I was there like I said I would be. I took taxis, I took Ubers, I walked, I did not get kidnapped, I am still living. Come on man. Time to put on your big boy pants.

Despite what you say here, you're often contradicting yourself, you say 'just chill out and come on down' when it suits you, but then you jump on the bandwagon just for the sake of it to back up somebody else's post, ie about kidnapping, just to be entertaining? That's not being helpful, especially to somebody who is coming there for the first time in a few days! Maybe you don't even notice you do it, or you're doing it now just to antagonise me?

Yes, if I could plan my trip again I don't think I would start it in Bogota. It's a good job I've done a lot of research and asked a lot of questions, but it's only in the last couple of days that I've learned the scarier things, it's like you don't even see the irony of how you say 'Yes it's cool here, but hey, you might get kidnapped!' Anyway I only booked my flight 2 weeks ago, before that I couldn't come and wasn't doing serious planning. And you have emphasised in a subtle way that you think being a black guy from the ghetto has helped keep you safe, just look back at your posts. And you said yourself that going into Santa Fe the first time wearing diamond earrings was dumb !

So I'm glad I've done a lot of research and asked a lot! If not, I wouldn't know that if I want to visit private apartments there I'll have to use a taxi app, apparently hailing taxis isn't safe, the TransMilenio isn't safe (especially at night), checking your phone map outside while trying to find a chicas apartment isn't safe, dressing slightly differently isn't safe, as is wearing a watch etc, you have to watch your drinks being spiked, and according to you, there's more chance of being mugged in the best areas than the crappy ones. Where does it end?? Doesn't help to be suddenly getting all this info from either in the last 4 days before my flight!! Anyway, I asked you a couple of times politely to not bother trying to 'help me', but you just carry on regardless !

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2291184]Well you just attributed two things to me that I have NEVER said. On the contrary I have always said that we as foreigners are NOT blending into shit no matter how much we think wearing khaki pants and a button down shirt is making us look like everyone else. I have also never said that nobody ever notices me. That would be a dumb thing to say. Of course people notice me. I am made of flesh; of matter. How could people with eyes not notice me?

And what dumb things do I do? All I do is walk around like everyone else on the street. That is why I can not understand what the big deal is. I am not trying to invent ways for people not to notice me that would make them notice me more! I have constantly said to just walk around and act like a normal person instead of creeping around like you are some secret super spy or something.

You are really trying to make traveling out to be a headache that it is not. Imagine if every person in each thread took the board through the shit that you are taking this one through each time they went to a new place. Nobody would ever get to discussing the whole idea of this forum, which is mongering!

Last week I went to Roatan, Honduras. I read a few posts on ISG before going. I read a few posts on tripadvisor to see where to stay. I asked ZERO fucking questions. I took my ass down there, did some scuba diving, hunted for chicks, and left. It was that simple. It was not something that took months of strategic planning and 1000 questions as if I was venturing out to space or something. THAT IS EXACTLY WHY I AM LAUGHING. And I think Honduras is supposed to be one of the most dangerous places on the planet.

"Honduras Travel Advisory. Bureau of Consular Affairs. US Department of State.

US Department of State (. Gov) travel .

Reconsider travel to Honduras due to crime. Some areas have increased risk. Read the entire Travel Advisory. "

Hell. I think at first you had said you were going to travel to Bogota like Feb 12 or whatever and I even offered to show you around at the time in order to put this shit to rest! I was there like I said I would be. I took taxis, I took Ubers, I walked, I did not get kidnapped, I am still living. Come on man. Time to put on your big boy pants.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2291210]It's a good job I've done a lot of research and asked a lot of questions, but it's only in the last couple of days that I've learned the scarier things, it's like you guys don't even see the irony of how you say 'Yes it's cool here, but hey, you might get kidnapped!'[/QUOTE]You can't go around living life in fear. You said that you are from a wealthy European city, as if living life does not have risks anywhere. I know a guy that was in The Hague, which is probably one of the safest places on earth. He was riding a bike and got hit by that little train that they have. It cut him in half and he died. So much for the place being considered safe. You can't live in a bubble dude. You have to go outside. And with going outside, shit is subject to happen. Such is life.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2291210]And you have emphasised in a subtle way that you think being a black guy from the ghetto has helped keep you safe, just look back at your posts.[/QUOTE]How do you emphasize something in a subtle way? That is an oxymoron. I only say that because the majority of guys on ISG are White and they say how scary and dangerous Santa Fe and downtown Medellin are. I am bringing another perspective as a Black guy that grew up around those kind of places that I do not find it intimidating or dangerous. My buddy that I posted the conversation is Black too, but I guess you saw how well that kept him safe.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2291184]
<snip>
Last week I went to Roatan, Honduras. I read a few posts on ISG before going. I read a few posts on tripadvisor to see where to stay. I asked ZERO fucking questions. I took my ass down there, did some scuba diving, hunted for chicks, and left. It was that simple. It was not something that took months of strategic planning and 1000 questions as if I was venturing out to space or something. THAT IS EXACTLY WHY I AM LAUGHING. And I think Honduras is supposed to be one of the most dangerous places on the planet.

"Honduras Travel Advisory. Bureau of Consular Affairs. US Department of State.
Reconsider travel to Honduras due to crime. Some areas have increased risk. Read the entire Travel Advisory. "
[/QUOTE]You are 100% correct. On a scale of 1 to 10, Honduras would be 9 or 10. Honduras makes Bogota look like Zurich.
Sir - you are brave. I would not go to Honduras unless I have 2 bodyguards in front and 2 behind me.

I know Honduras has potential. I am curious about your experience. Do you plan to post a report in the Honduras forum?

Thanks,
BKKguru.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2291210] <snip> you have to watch your drinks being spiked, and according to you, there's more chance of being mugged in the best areas than the crappy ones. [/QUOTE]You have been given good tips and information on this board. It appears you are a "details" guy. So, I will do an information dump. Probably more than you ever wanted to know.

Criminals use Burundanga (pronounced boor-oon-DAN-ga) in food or drink to hundreds of unwitting victims each month.
Burundanga is odorless, colorless and soluble. So it is very easy to mix with food or drink.

In Spanish, victims of this drug are described as Burundanguiado. In one common scenario, a person will be offered a soda or drink laced with the substance.
The next thing the person remembers is waking up miles away, extremely groggy and with NO memory of what happened.
People soon discover that they have handed over jewelry, money, car keys and sometimes have even made multiple bank withdrawals for the benefit of their assailants.
Because Burundanga is often given at seedy bars or sex clubs, many victims are reluctant to come forward.

Not all cases of Burundanga involve theft or robbery. Sometimes victims have been used as mules to carry cocaine. The following incident happened 10+ years ago:
A well known Colombian diplomat disappeared shortly after leaving a function in Bogota, only to reappear in Chile under arrest for cocaine smuggling. Medical tests showed he had been under the influence of Burundanga, and no criminal charges were filed.
It is like a chemical hypnotism. The victim cannot say no; he has no will and becomes very open to suggestion.

Your next question will be - What the hell is Burundanga??

Burundanga is a kind of Colombian voodoo powder obtained from a common local plant, a shrub called borrachera or "drunken binge".
When refined, the powder yields scopolamine, a well known drug with legitimate use as a sedative and to combat motion sickness.
However, in Colombia, the drug's most avid fans are criminals. Street thugs mix the powder with sedatives and feed the Burundanga cocktail to unsuspecting victims whom they proceed to rob or even worse.

You can read this article dated April 2013. All the tips in this article have been shared by other members in this forum. Forwarned is forearmed:
[URL]https://thecitypaperbogota.com/living/burundanga-bad-medicine/3129[/URL]

If the URL is cut off, Google Burundanga: bad medicine

Good Luck,
~BKKguru.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2291210]
So I'm glad I've done a lot of research and asked a lot! If not, I wouldn't know that if I want to visit private apartments there I'll have to use a taxi app, apparently hailing taxis isn't safe, the TransMilenio isn't safe (especially at night), checking your phone map outside while trying to find a chicas apartment isn't safe, dressing slightly differently isn't safe, as is wearing a watch etc, you have to watch your drinks being spiked, and according to you, there's more chance of being mugged in the best areas than the crappy ones. Where does it end?? Doesn't help to be suddenly getting all this info from either in the last 4 days before my flight!! Anyway, I asked you a couple of times politely to not bother trying to 'help me', but you just carry on regardless ![/QUOTE]Dude, Dig yourself a bunker in your home and lock yourself in there permanently if you are this paranoid. Seems pointless venturing into this forum with such 'bubble life' mentality.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2291220]You can't go around living life in fear... You have to go outside. And with going outside, shit is subject to happen. Such is life.

[/QUOTE]Well said sir!

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2291095]The only problem is I'm starting my stay at a hotel downtown near Santa Fe, so if I want my first experience of the City to be in the north, I'll have to take the transmilenio or taxi there for the first few days.[/QUOTE]We all have different backgrounds, personal experiences and personalities. Some people on the board might have suggested you to go to a hotel close to Santa Fe because it is OK for them. It s OK for them because they are used to travel in third world countries, speak spanish, are adventurous and so on. But as far as I can see from your previous posts, a hotel close to sante Fe is not for you. I would suggest you to cancel your reservation and get a hotel in the Northern Area. Your travel experience will be much better. I have lived and travelled in more than 80 countries in the 5 continents, including each country of the top ten most dagerous countries of the world, I live in Colombia for five year, I have been in any corner of the country, but I would never stay in a hotel close to Sante Fe just to save a couple of bucks.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2291270].............In Spanish, victims of this drug are described as Burundan guiado................[/QUOTE]Is this the reason for Venezuela's problems right now? BTW, when I was in Chang Ping, China some years ago a Chinese girl told me about criminals who were using a drug that had the same effects as what you have described.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2291440]Is this the reason for Venezuela's problems right now? BTW, when I was in Chang Ping, China some years ago a Chinese girl told me about criminals who were using a drug that had the same effects as what you have described.[/QUOTE]It's basically the same as any of the date [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] drugs. You can find them being used anywhere. A girl I know had someone slip something into her drink at a dinky local bar, where she's a regular, in a little Indiana farm town. In her case, her son was in the bar, noticed her behavior had changed and took her home, where she slept for 14 hours.

It happens. It's possible to minimize your risks. I tend to not worry about it.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2291440]Is this the reason for Venezuela's problems right now?[/QUOTE]Funny :) Hopefully, Guiado will be a savior for Venezuela.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2291440]BTW, when I was in Chang Ping, China some years ago a Chinese girl told me about criminals who were using a drug that had the same effects as what you have described.[/QUOTE]Burundanga powder when ingested causes victims to lose their will and memory, sometimes for days.
Thus, from a criminal point of view, it has a lot of advantages.

Previously, I was doing some "business" with the US Embassy in Bogota. They take this issue VERY seriously.

In their orientation manual for freshman diplomats, there is a warning: Never visit bars or nightclubs alone.
The manual says: "Druggings in group situations are far LESS common. Food and drinks should NEVER be left unattended".

I try to be helpful because others, including Mr Enternational, have helped me. Often they've helped me by telling me "dude, you're over thinking it. Just go."

My upbringing is 180° out from Mr. E. I'm a white guy from a farm town. We didn't have crime. I never had a key to the house I grew up in, because it was never locked, day or night, not even when we were all gone for several days. The only people I was afraid of were black guys from the ghetto, not that we had any of them around, or any ghettos either.

What's lacking here is a matter of perspective. Bogota is a city of over 10 million. It has a very high population density. Crime rates and population density go together. However, contrary to what some might say, most crimes happen in the poorest areas.

The typical criminal isn't among the intellectual elite. They are opportunists. Who is some poor working girl going to call when some guy snatches her phone? Nobody. She has no phone. Even the murders in the Estrato 1 and 2 barrios don't make the news, unless they're particularly gruesome, or involve a tourist or someone with money.

The crimes you hear about are the ones that happen to tourists. Then other potential tourists repeat the stories and it seems like a death sentence to visit. It isn't.

My first big city experience was a drunken night in Milwaukee, where I ended up in a black ghetto bar, surrounded by black guys from the ghetto. Apparently, they aren't all that dangerous, because I survived. My perspective changed.

When I've been to Bogota, I've preferred to stay north. I also prefer to use the Transmilenio. I usually don't stay out very late at night, so I've not needed taxis. When I do use a taxi, I either go to a place where many taxis are staged, or I use an app to send for a taxi. Whenever feasible, I prefer to walk.

Walking lets me get a feel for the city, the culture and the people. At a whim, I can stop in a store and look around, or stop someone and ask a question. There are bars, coffee shops and restaurants. My opinion is why travel if all you'll see is a hotel room, a taxi and the inside of a brothel? Others feel any time not spent having sex is wasted.

I'm a firm believer in doing your research. I did enough research on Bogota before my first visit, I was able to recommend restaurants to people who had lived there for years. However, no research will tell you how you'll feel once you're there.

There are plenty of things written about reducing your risk. Pay attention to them. You don't need a wristwatch, rings, necklaces or earrings. Why wear them? You don't need an iPhone X. If you're there for a month, pick up a Huawei and carry it. Or bring a cheap phone to use. You don't need a wallet. Replacing all the things in your wallet is a pain. This is all about minimizing your losses. If someone wants your money and phone, you're handing over $100-$200 USD. Give it up and get out of the area.

After minimizing losses comes minimizing risks. Leaving the jewelry at home and dressing normal is a start. Everyone knows your a tourist, but nobody knows if you're a rich tourist or a poor tourist. It really doesn't matter what shirt you wear, unless you're into designer clothes. Dress comfortable, which in Bogota means you might want long sleeves, or a jacket.

I'm convinced that the biggest part of not being a victim is not looking like a victim. If you're stopping every 20 yards looking at addresses, or checking your map, you look like a victim. If you're constantly turning in all directions trying to figure out which of the 1000 people on the street are the criminals, you look like a victim. If you look like you're going to run away screaming if someone taps you on the shoulder, you look like a victim.

Move with the flow of people. Move too fast or too slow and you stand out. Know where you're going, even if you're lost. Find a business you can step inside to check your map. Remember where the busy streets were, in case you find yourself on a street that makes you nervous. That way you know which way to turn to get back to more comfortable streets. If you're feeling overwhelmed, step inside a business and relax.

Take all advice with a grain of salt. Don't base your perspective on what other people write.

My first trip to Bogota I was about where you are. I'd made my plans, booked my flight, prepaid my hotel and was reading all the horror stories. Then I saw a review of my hotel. According to the review it was in a very dangerous area, full of criminals, it was a complete dump and all the staff were very rude and insulting. Meanwhile, my Bogota friend keeps telling me about all the things I should be wary of. I was quite nervous the final week.

Judging the area my hotel was in by a 5 star area in a top western city, it may have appeared to be a dangerous area. There was a lot of construction in the area, which didn't help. The staff were extremely friendly and helpful, the area was safe and I ended up enjoying my stay.

Just relax. Spend your first day or so seeing the sights in La Candelaria. Visit the museums, enjoy the architecture, ride to the top of Monserrate. Get comfortable with the surroundings. It'll all seem less scary after you've walked around a bit.

[QUOTE=Routard;2291409]We all have different backgrounds, personal experiences and personalities. Some people on the board might have suggested you to go to a hotel close to Santa Fe because it is OK for them. It s OK for them because they are used to travel in third world countries, speak spanish, are adventurous and so on. But as far as I can see from your previous posts, a hotel close to sante Fe is not for you. I would suggest you to cancel your reservation and get a hotel in the Northern Area. Your travel experience will be much better. I have lived and travelled in more than 80 countries in the 5 continents, including each country of the top ten most dagerous countries of the world, I live in Colombia for five year, I have been in any corner of the country, but I would never stay in a hotel close to Sante Fe just to save a couple of bucks.[/QUOTE]Hi Routard, I sent you a PM yon this subject, please have a quick look when you have a chance.

Thanks to all you guys who have given me useful advice, and I know I've asked too many questions.

I wouldn't think twice about going to Medellin or Cartagena for example, and wouldn't ask so much about safety. But Bogota seems very different, and doesn't get many tourists. I'm certainly not risk averse, have been to many parts of the world and have given my advice about them here.

I've got a bit defensive though here as a few posters just seem to like making you paranoid and confusing you. For example BlueCar's story about the 'Paseo Millionaria' when according to Jjbee62 this hasn't happened for years in Bogota, and there was no need to even mention it, as it hadn't even happened to his friend! Then today BKKguru giving me a detailed explanation of how people would spike your drinks or food, doesn't tell you how to avoid this happening, just makes you more paranoid about buying a drink / food etc!

I'll come to Bogota and stay at the hotel for a few days. If I don't feel I can do the kind of trip I want to, I'll go somewhere else in Colombia after that and not bother with my Airbnb. It is supposed to be a vacation after all! I'm also a very sociable guy when not mongering, so won't enjoy it either if have to constantly fly under the radar and not be myself. I generally do my mongering solo though, going around to nightclubs in taxis with a gang of other guys is not my scene. So if I feel too limited by the cultural norms, poverty, implied or real dangers there, Bogota will not be the place for me.

A tragedy in Santa Marta. Pasting this from the Santa Marta forum so that it gets wider exposure. Post # 340.

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In a painful event that has caused consternation in the city and which is the subject of investigation by the authorities, a young man was found dead in the rooms of the Hotel Panamerican Historical Center of Santa Marta.

The victim was the young business administrator Fernando Jos theaz Camargo, 33, graduated from Sergio Arboleda University, and son of the deceased merchant Gustavo theaz Segovia and Miryan Camargo de theaz.

The tragedy that today mourns the Diaz Camargo family was presented yesterday at 1:45 on Saturday afternoon, after his brothers found him unconscious in one of the rooms of the hotel located in Race 1 No. 18-23, where he also resided, and he was transferred to the emergency room of the El Prado clinic, where the doctors in turn indicated that he had no vital signs and formalized his death.

It was learned that the previous night Fernando Jos was chatting with some women, and apparently they gave him scopolamine and stole several belongings, including his high-end cell phone, wallet and other objects.

When his brothers noticed the time, it was strange why Fernando Jos had not woken up, so they immediately entered his room and found him dead; However, hoping to try to save his life and know what happened to him, he was taken to the medical center where he was informed that he had died hours before.

For their part, investigators from the CTI of the Prosecutor's Office and the SIJIN are already in charge of the case, to try to establish the motives, and find those responsible for this crime.

The Police reported that they are reviewing the hotel security cameras as well as the adjacent sectors in order to find evidence of the people accompanying the victim.
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[QUOTE=Parkinsons;2291178]Hey man I think I remember you from the Santo Domingo board. It's safer in the DR but the chicas are trickier. In Colombia you'll find it's the other way around. I don't think you'll have any problems, stop worrying!

Yes by mezzanine I mean the office building in the north with the multiple massage parlors. There I sessioned with a cute university student whom I later brought back to my hotel.

The bike tour that I joined took us through Santa Fe. The guide explained the place to us, told us to look just don't take any photos. You can get a feel that way. But be warned: during the day the ones standing on the streets are mainly trannies or fatties. No way do they represent the talent working at night inside the clubs. Your jaw will drop when you see the chicas inside Club Paisas at night.

I would advise against preparagos. Most ad photos are bait and switches. And their prices are high.

During the day in Chapinero guys will hand out flyers (business cards) advertising for casas. They're legit. You'll learn a lot of places that way. Since you are there for a month, trust me by week 2 you'll be teaching us new places.

There are also quite many swinger clubs in Bogota - - I haven't tried those. They promote themselves on Instagram and some allow for single male visitors. Try them out too!

Finally, worst case scenario -- since you're there for a month - - if Bogota doesn't work for you, heck for $50 you can get roundtrip tickets to Medelln or Cali or Cartagena![/QUOTE]Parkinsons, thanks a lot for your advice! A good way to avoid the prepagados being bait and switch is to google their phone numbers and see if they have any reviews, multiple chicas with same number etc. Over the years I've got pretty good at telling the real from the fake ones. After all the stuff written here recently, I'm more worried about the chances of me being ripped off etc at some chicas pad (here I go again!) It's also a pity that many nice looking ones are in outlying areas that there's no chance I will venture to. That's why I asked about daytime hotels where I could arrange to meet them, any idea where to find them ?

I've been told that nightclub chicas tend to be the skinny Barbie doll types, who are not my type! I can find more curvy types online, and have also been told more like that can be found in Santa Fe. Plus casa chicas also seem to be the skinny types (from the ones I've seen on online ads for them anyway). LOL....Swinger clubs are not my scene at all !

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2291145]

At the time it was recommended to either have someone call a taxi, or to use a taxi app. That way there's a record of the taxi number.

There are other things that are recommended. Don't carry a wallet. I only carry an ID, my room or apartment key and the cash I need for the day. I typically only carry my ATM card when I'm going to make a withdrawal. The only other thing is my phone. If I'm carrying more than 300 k, I'll split it between 2 pockets [/QUOTE]Aparently, Tappsi had merged with Easy Taxi in Bogota, does somebody know the correct App to use, the only one I can find is called 'Easy Tappsi', just be be on the safe side.

By they way, if the place you're staying at doesn't have a safe, what can you do? If you don't carry your bank cards, ID etc you have to leave them somewhere? In that case you have no real security for your items.

On Friday around 8 PM I went to Pussyhouse. My first time there. The place was packed. Lots of men standing around. I did not see anything good there so left after few minutes and took another taxi to club la 49. I arrived around 8:30 PM and I was the only guy besides the waiters. There were 15+ girls. All very well dressed, clean and very pretty. The quality was very good, I would rate them between 7 - 9. I ordered a Heineken beer and sat toward the back (cost 16 k). Girls started to move closer and sat closer to me but none said a single word. There was no pressure which I was looking for. Within another 30 minutes, at least another 10 girls came in to start their shift. They all were very young and very attractive. I invited one of them to my table and talked a bit. Asked her how girls make money with no customer. She said many of the girls may go home empty handed. The cost for this place is 300 k for the girl, 60 k for the room and plus you have to buy a drink. The drink is mandatory and will cost another 140 k. The rooms are in the basement and small but decent with shower and bathroom. I decided to give this place a try due to cleanliness and the quality of the girls. She was from Barranquilla and 100% GFE. Overall this place is top quality if you are willing to pay a very high price. Not sure if I will go back again due to its price. There is a bar right next door and as I was leaving the la 49, the guy at the door asked me to check it out and I did. If I understood correctly, the place is called 'la fuente', Carrera 13 #49-67, beer cost 5 k, girls will ask 70 k - 80 k and the room cost 20 k. I walked in just to check and was surprised this place was packed. It is a small place, girls are definitely not in the same category as the la 49 but I think this place has some potential. I may check it again.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2291494]I wouldn't think twice about going to Medellin or Cartagena for example, and wouldn't ask so much about safety. But Bogota seems very different, and doesn't get many tourists.[/QUOTE]LOL. I don't understand why you think Medellin would be any different. Maybe you have not been reading the thread over there. But if there is any difference, then I would say the ones in Bogota wake up after being drugged or kidnapped, while the ones in Medellin are left for dead.

I even posted an article in that thread the week before last that I found in my local newspaper about a pop singer from my city being killed in Medellin. Some guys were robbing someone in the "good" neighborhood where all the gringos stay. A security guard intervened. The guy was killed by a stray bullet. You can run, but your best bet is to hide. Stay home before it is too late!

[QUOTE=Sun08;2291533]I arrived around 8:30 PM and I was the only guy besides the waiters.[/QUOTE]Sure sign of a clip joint.

[QUOTE=Sun08;2291533]I invited one of them to my table and talked a bit. Asked her how girls make money with no customer. She said many of the girls may go home empty handed. The cost for this place is 300 k for the girl, 60 k for the room and plus you have to buy a drink. The drink is mandatory and will cost another 140 k.[/QUOTE]You could have answered that question yourself. They wait for one unsuspecting guy to spend 500K in the place, then they all split the money!

Simple math. You go to a casa and a chick gets paid half of what you paid. So say basic casa is 50K. Girl gets 25K from each guy she fucks. In case of the place where you went, EACH girl gets 25K from any guy that ANY of the girls fuck. Same money, less work. When you start seeing them hoes driving around in drop top Benzes, that is when you can believe all of that 300K is going into their pockets.

[QUOTE=Sun08;2291533]On Friday around 8 PM I went to Pussyhouse. My first time there. The place was packed. Lots of men standing around. I did not see anything good there so left after few minutes and took another taxi to club la 49. I arrived around 8:30 PM and I was the only guy besides the waiters. There were 15+ girls. All very well dressed, clean and very pretty. The quality was very good, I would rate them between 7 - 9. I ordered a Heineken beer and sat toward the back (cost 16 k). Girls started to move closer and sat closer to me but none said a single word. There was no pressure which I was looking for. Within another 30 minutes, at least another 10 girls came in to start their shift. They all were very young and very attractive. I invited one of them to my table and talked a bit. Asked her how girls make money with no customer. She said many of the girls may go home empty handed. The cost for this place is 300 k for the girl, 60 k for the room and plus you have to buy a drink. The drink is mandatory and will cost another 140 k. The rooms are in the basement and small but decent with shower and bathroom. I decided to give this place a try due to cleanliness and the quality of the girls. She was from Barranquilla and 100% GFE. Overall this place is top quality if you are willing to pay a very high price. Not sure if I will go back again due to its price. There is a bar right next door and as I was leaving the la 49, the guy at the door asked me to check it out and I did. If I understood correctly, the place is called 'la fuente', Carrera 13 #49-67, beer cost 5 k, girls will ask 70 k - 80 k and the room cost 20 k. I walked in just to check and was surprised this place was packed. It is a small place, girls are definitely not in the same category as the la 49 but I think this place has some potential. I may check it again.[/QUOTE]We all have different sized wallets and my wallet size has indeed changed, I should say got cut in about half in the past decade, I have spent big on 9's and 10's in the past but also have spent a quater of that on much less physically attractive girls, but the good part is that the experience and the memories are about the same, sure not every chica was an 8 in fact some were what one would consider a 6 or 7 and yet I still today despite my wallet being a quarter of what it once was am having a blast.

Just my 2 cents.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2291565]

Simple math. You go to a casa and a chick gets paid half of what you paid. So say basic casa is 50K. Girl gets 25K from each guy she fucks. In case of the place where you went, EACH girl gets 25K from any guy that ANY of the girls fuck. Same money, less work. When you start seeing them hoes driving around in drop top Benzes, that is when you can believe all of that 300K is going into their pockets.[/QUOTE]It is possible the girl was lying of course but I really do not think they are splitting the money. The girl that I was with said I am her second customer this week. Because they charge so much even with two customer that is $600 k. Still not too bad for her.

[QUOTE=Sun08;2291605]It is possible the girl was lying of course but I really do not think they are splitting the money. [/QUOTE]I don't know either, but it would make sense.

Stayed for a short trip in Bogota last week. Spent most of my time in Santa Fe clubs between Troya, Atones, Paisas and Fiebre. Didn't try any street girls. I did find a gem on the street on my last trip a few months ago, and kept in touch with the girl until she left Bogota and went back to her home of Manizales. She had since disappeared.

This is my second Santa Fe trip, and I felt much more comfortable than last. I only walked the street once, and spent the rest of my time either inside one of these clubs, or with a chica I pulled from them at a motel nearby for long term. I pulled 2 girls from these clubs and repeat with one of them. The damage, first girl from Paisas club, 4 hours for 300 K. Second girl was from Atunes, 2 hrs for 200 k and repeated with her for 3 hrs for 300 k. I rate these 2 girls one at 7. 5, and the other that I repeated at 8 in appearance in. For reference, I rate most girls in Lido 7. 5 with some occasional 8's and 8. 5's. Both gave very passionate GFE. One I keep in touch with and have plans to see her again in the near future.

I also went to a few Northern clubs on 2 separate nights. Spent one entire night from 11 PM to 3 AM in Lido. Lido was my old playground, I have been here numerous times, and had pulled girls from here as well. But I haven't done than in my last few trips because girls there now are asking ridiculous prices. For the night I was there, I spent 355 K in drinks (7 cervezas, 5 for me and 2 for a chica) including taxes and service fee. One thing I want to point out, when I ask for la cuenta, the mesera told me 320 K. Then I asked to see the factura, when she brought the handwritten factura, the total became 355 k. I argued with her, and she said 320 k was not including the service fee. Even I offered to pay in cash, she wound't back down on the total amount. As I understood, some clubs in the north if you offer to pay cash, they will not charge tax, service or both. This was what happened when I went to La Masion the next night. I was not happy with the increase, so didn't tip the mesera anything. She looked pissed.

Earlier, guys were arguing about girls in Santa Fe and in Northern club like Lido, well, this is what happened to me, while in Lido, I ran into 2 girls that I met and chatted with the night before at Troya in Santa Fe. They were a little surprised seeing me in Lido, same was I. I talked to them again, and of course the question came up why. They told me for the higher price they can get in Lido. I didn't see them got picked that night when I left close to 3 AM, but there are definitely girls work at both places and charge very differently. As I said before, there are more high end girls in Lido, but it's not difficult to find girls of same physical quality in SF and pay a lot less if you don't mind the area.

I also went to Juan Pablo Zhivago. The place was dead. I was the only customer, for the 30 min. I stayed with about 8 girls. Nothing above 7. 5. I then went to Lalo a few block south on Carrera 15, same story. A tout found me as I stepped out of Lalo, and took me to La Mansion nearby. La Mansion had about 30 girls that night, mostly 6-7's, with a few 7. 5's and a couple 8's. I was chatting with one of the 8's, a cute Venezolana but 10 min. Into our conversation, she got pulled away by a guy that chatted with her before I came in. I never saw her again, so I guessed it was an all-nighter, but did get her digits before she left.

I felt a lot more relaxed in La Masion (I believed it was called la Piscina del Norte). It was not as high end as Lido, but very easy going. I danced the whole night with the girls there, and politely declined to buy drinks for the girls except who danced the most songs with me. Also tipped her 50 k at my departure. No hard feeling or pressure at all. I also saw girls handed out their contact info freely with no hesitation, so apparently the club doesn't care. My bill at the end came out to be 98 K (one water for me and 2 Baileys for the girl) with no tax or service fee when I told them I will pay in cash, a lot more economical then in Lido.

After this trip, I felt that Lido is a total waste of time. Drinks are expensive, and I got better services at much lower prices in the South. I will go back to La Masion, I found it fun, and got the feeling that even the more beautiful girls there will be more reasonable if you meet them outside.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2291184] I did not get kidnapped.[/QUOTE]Aren't you black? Just curious, do you know of any black guys who are not high profile who have been kidnapped? It must happen on occasion, but I've never heard of it happening. Our company tries to send black guys to the areas where kidnapping occurs because they are perceived to be far less of a kidnapping risk. When our company sends white guys to those "dangerous" areas, they have to provide security for them because they have had them kidnapped in the past. I'm a white guy, and when I went to Nigeria, I was fine in Lagos, but when I went to an area outside Lagos that had many kidnappings in the past, they provided an armed guard for me at all times. I would have preferred to not have that guy with me all the time because it was a pain in the ass. I traveled there with 3 black guys and they didn't have any security at all the entire time.

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Reading the reports it's 300 K to take a girl back to hotel (I am staying North) for a few hours, correct?

Anyone in Bogota and wants to meet next few days, PM.

I am assuming Uber is the safest way to get taxi from Santa Fe?

Been adviced these apps:

Cabify.

Beat.

Which ones are safest in addition to Uber?

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2291221]You are 100% correct. On a scale of 1 to 10, Honduras would be 9 or 10. Honduras makes Bogota look like Zurich.
Sir - you are brave. I would not go to Honduras unless I have 2 bodyguards in front and 2 behind me.

I know Honduras has potential. I am curious about your experience. Do you plan to post a report in the Honduras forum?

Thanks,
BKKguru.[/QUOTE]Roatan is safe and very touristy. The rest of Honduras is another story.

Anyone in Bogota want to meet tonight? Went to Pussy House last night (which was pretty great) but would be good to meet some other folks.

Went out last night, a safe and busy area (lots of clubs, restaurants). Paid 20 K to enter one of the clubs with the rooftop, waste of time unless you're going with a group of locals.

There are 3 girl clubs there, the big one is Casanova, many girls and almost no customers, there is one with small pool and next one is called Disco I think, less upscale but better girls, more fun. Again, not many customers if any at all. Got a few numbers for later. Drinks are expensive (30-40 K) a beer.

Anyone up for Santa Fe. PM me, it's best not to go alone.

I visited the Platin OZ on a weekday around 10 PM. This is actually a strip club, I thought it is a regular club with girls. The place is small but clean. There was one other customer when I arrived. I saw eight girls. They seemed to be a bit pushy but luckily eight guys walked in within a minute so they left me alone. The entrance fee is 20 k, beer costs 25 k - 30 k. They have room onsite. The waiter said the girls will ask $200 k - $300 k (I am sure gringo price). I would rate the girls between 4 -7. Certainly nothing good for $350 k+ total cost.

The Linares 48 is located at Cra 13 # 48 -21, a block from la 49 club. The bar itself is very nice and clean. I was there on a Wednesday night. I only saw few older, unattractive girls. The waiter said on weekends there will be a lot more girls. Beer cost $10 k, room $20 k and $100 k / 30 minutes for the girls. The place is waste of time during the weekdays but may be different on weekends just like other clubs.

I went to the Loutron on Thursday around 3 PM. That was the biggest disappointment of all. No other customer, five girls, all unattractive to me with fake boobs. So I left the place. Whether that particular day there was no decent girl or they were not my type, I don't know. They have a nice facility though.

I spend most of my time with a Colombiana from Latincupid and that was better than going to different clubs which I don't like.

I used Uber with my Paypal account and that worked great. No need to have cash money or be concerned about overcharging.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2293756]
Anyone up for Santa Fe. PM me, it's best not to go alone.[/QUOTE]I have never been to SF but would not mind to check it out but unfortunately it is too late now. May be next time.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2285711]

I agree Medellin has great facebook scene and a network of girls all pimping each other, that's just great.[/QUOTE]Can someone "educate" me on how the "Facebook" scene for prepagos and freelancers of all sorts works around the world?

In other words, where on FB would I find it?

I always hear comments about it, but have no idea what these comments are referring to??

[QUOTE=Catire;2294110]Can someone "educate" me on how the "Facebook" scene for prepagos and freelancers of all sorts works around the world?

In other words, where on FB would I find it?

I always hear comments about it, but have no idea what these comments are referring to??[/QUOTE]It's not just Facebook. Twitter, Instagram and Snapchat along with live streaming apps are being used by escorts to get their info in front of potential customers. Unfortunately, it's not as easy as just typing in a search term and having all the working girl accounts pop up.

First, you need to establish a presence. That means accounts that show some activity, preferably in the areas where you plan to monger. While active accounts aren't necessary, blank accounts will get overlooked by a lot of women who figure you're just a time waster.

Next step is to find your first girls. Do a search confined to the city you're fishing in. Some cities you won't have much luck, depending on which social media platform you're on. In Medellin, Facebook is widely used. In Bogota there are more options on Twitter. Some terms to search: prepago, masaje, erotic.

The hardest part is getting started, finding the first few girls. Once you find a few, send a friend request, or follow. Now it gets easier. I'll stick with Facebook for the rest of the explanation.

Once you start finding girls, check their friend list, if it's visible. You're looking for accounts that are either good prospects, or good fishing spots. Good prospects usually have a provocative profile picture. Good fishing accounts will be guys who don't appear to be locals.

If you can't see the friends list, look at the account. If she's posted any sexy pictures, check to see who commented, who was tagged, or who liked the picture. Whenever you find a good prospect, send a friend request. Whenever you find a good fishing account, check the friends list and look for more prospects.

Finding the first 5 girls might take you a few minutes. Finding the next 20 might take a bit longer. But eventually, it snowballs. Facebook will start recommending accounts, friends of girls will start sending requests to you and you'll easily be able to add plenty of girls each time you log in.

Here's a Twitter example in Bogota:

I searched for "prepago. " Top of the list is an account called "Veronica VIP 19 años. " Her WhatsApp number is on the account along with nude photos. Next I check her followers. I find a "Nati escort vip", "Maria Camila Duarte" and "prepago acompañante. " All with Whatsapp numbers. I also see several escort services following her. Checking all those accounts gives more girls. In about 15 minutes, I can add at least 15 numbers of options in Bogota.

I can get the same results in Medellin using Facebook. Other cities might require other social media platforms or other search terms, but the method is about the same.

[QUOTE=Catire;2294110]Can someone "educate" me on how the "Facebook" scene for prepagos and freelancers of all sorts works around the world?

In other words, where on FB would I find it?

I always hear comments about it, but have no idea what these comments are referring to??[/QUOTE]I haven't noticed a lot of Bogota babes on Facebook (there are some). They definitely are on Twitter. Medellin girls are on Facebook en mass.

Went to Lido last night, best I've seen in Colombia so far. It's in the North of Bogota, close to Park 93 street area. Amazing selection on Saturday at 2 AM, I'd say easily 80 top notch girls, huge space, feels like you're in a club in Miami it's so posh. Girls are pretty, all very well dressed, high-end. Beers are 50 K. I understood the girl fee is 250 K + a girl asked for USD $250 all night. I managed to get couple of numbers, keep in mind some girls said not allowed to give numbers. I didn't ask girl drink prices, I imagine it's double. Great place if you've got 300-500 bucks to burn on a night. Anyone else had other experiences? I am yet to visit Santa Fe, this place is a complete opposite.

In Zona T as I mentioned there are several clubs, last night visited El Padrino (about 20 girls) and a larger selection is at Club Olimpo. Street hustlers will find it for you whether you like it or not.

Hotel Dann Norte: awesome. They took girl's ID and then phoned me when she was leaving if everything was ok. Highly recommend this hotel.

[QUOTE=ViajandoMusico;2291628]Earlier, guys were arguing about girls in Santa Fe and in Northern club like Lido, well, this is what happened to me, while in Lido, I ran into 2 girls that I met and chatted with the night before at Troya in Santa Fe. They were a little surprised seeing me in Lido, same was I. I talked to them again, and of course the question came up why. They told me for the higher price they can get in Lido. I didn't see them got picked that night when I left close to 3 AM, but there are definitely girls work at both places and charge very differently. As I said before, there are more high end girls in Lido, but it's not difficult to find girls of same physical quality in SF and pay a lot less if you don't mind the area..[/QUOTE]Read your post about Lido after I posted mine. I guess there is a price you pay for safety factor, but then again these are some crazy prices I've been quoted last night.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2294271]Went to Lido last night, best I've seen in Colombia so far. It's in the North of Bogota, close to Park 93 street area. Amazing selection on Saturday at 2 AM, I'd say easily 80 top notch girls, huge space, feels like you're in a club in Miami it's so posh. Girls are pretty, all very well dressed, high-end. Beers are 50 K. I understood the girl fee is 250 K + a girl asked for USD $250 all night. I managed to get couple of numbers, keep in mind some girls said not allowed to give numbers. I didn't ask girl drink prices, I imagine it's double. Great place if you've got 300-500 bucks to burn on a night. Anyone else had other experiences? I am yet to visit Santa Fe, this place is a complete opposite....[/QUOTE]Actually No, Santa Fe is not the complete opposite sounds like a bit of a shill going on here.

There Are Super hot girls, Actually many of them work at Lido too.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2294271]Went to Lido last night, best I've seen in Colombia so far. It's in the North of Bogota, close to Park 93 street area. Amazing selection on Saturday at 2 AM, I'd say easily 80 top notch girls, huge space, feels like you're in a club in Miami it's so posh. Girls are pretty, all very well dressed, high-end. Beers are 50 K. I understood the girl fee is 250 K + a girl asked for USD $250 all night. I managed to get couple of numbers, keep in mind some girls said not allowed to give numbers. I didn't ask girl drink prices, I imagine it's double. Great place if you've got 300-500 bucks to burn on a night. Anyone else had other experiences? I am yet to visit Santa Fe, this place is a complete opposite.

In Zona T as I mentioned there are several clubs, last night visited El Padrino (about 20 girls) and a larger selection is at Club Olimpo. Street hustlers will find it for you whether you like it or not.

Hotel Dann Norte: awesome. They took girl's ID and then phoned me when she was leaving if everything was ok. Highly recommend this hotel.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2294443]Actually No, Santa Fe is not the complete opposite sounds like a bit of a shill going on here.

There Are Super hot girls, Actually many of them work at Lido too.[/QUOTE]Woodman, got to agree a complete shill, yes I partied in that area about 10 years ago but the prices now are stupid and as you point out it is all about marketing, you can take any of the Sante Fe cuties, like the ones you saw me partying with last October when we met in Sante Fe, put a nice sexy dress on them with some nice high heel shoes along with a hair do and make up an then BAM they now are the 9 and 10 at places like Lido, no shit.

The Tall Man.

I know all the cool guys go hunting in the clubs, clinicas, and barrios, but if you happened to have more money than time. Does anyone have experience with agencies? I have been looking at La Celestina for an upcoming trip. I don't see much in the last 10 pages. Many thanks.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2291095]Thanks guys for your advice! The only problem is I'm starting my stay at a hotel downtown near Santa Fe, so if I want my first experience of the City to be in the north, I'll have to take the transmilenio or taxi there for the first few days. Parkinsons, that's a great suggestion re. the biking tour, as I'm into cycling anyway. Have already checked it out, I won't let this worry get me down. Anyway, if I don't like Bogota I can go elsewhere. I'm planning on staying a month in Colombia after all. Actually, will be staying in an Airbnb after my hotel, won't want to bring a chica back there. That's why I asked where the daytime motels (with hourly rates) etc are in Chapinero, but nobody answered me on that. Any ideas? By Mezzanine, you mean the chica joint that has been mentioned earlier?[/QUOTE]All around Cll 64 west of Av Caracas there are tons of great options for hourly motels.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2291494]Thanks to all you guys who have given me useful advice, and I know I've asked too many questions.

I wouldn't think twice about going to Medellin or Cartagena for example, and wouldn't ask so much about safety. But Bogota seems very different, and doesn't get many tourists. I'm certainly not risk averse, have been to many parts of the world and have given my advice about them here.

I've got a bit defensive though here as a few posters just seem to like making you paranoid and confusing you. For example BlueCar's story about the 'Paseo Millionaria' when according to Jjbee62 this hasn't happened for years in Bogota, and there was no need to even mention it, as it hadn't even happened to his friend! Then today BKKguru giving me a detailed explanation of how people would spike your drinks or food, doesn't tell you how to avoid this happening, just makes you more paranoid about buying a drink / food etc!

I'll come to Bogota and stay at the hotel for a few days. If I don't feel I can do the kind of trip I want to, I'll go somewhere else in Colombia after that and not bother with my Airbnb. It is supposed to be a vacation after all! I'm also a very sociable guy when not mongering, so won't enjoy it either if have to constantly fly under the radar and not be myself. I generally do my mongering solo though, going around to nightclubs in taxis with a gang of other guys is not my scene. So if I feel too limited by the cultural norms, poverty, implied or real dangers there, Bogota will not be the place for me.[/QUOTE]I'm firmly on the side of Enternational and Jjbee here. I've been living here on and off for a decade and a half now. Those "paseos millonarios" are a thing of the past.

People spike drinks all over the planet. Just don't ever walk away from a drink and then come back to it and you'll be fine. Also don't let an unknown girl motorboat you.

[QUOTE=ViajandoMusico;2291628]SEarlier, guys were arguing about girls in Santa Fe and in Northern club like Lido, well, this is what happened to me, while in Lido, I ran into 2 girls that I met and chatted with the night before at Troya in Santa Fe. They were a little surprised seeing me in Lido, same was I. I talked to them again, and of course the question came up why. They told me for the higher price they can get in Lido. I didn't see them got picked that night when I left close to 3 AM, but there are definitely girls work at both places and charge very differently. As I said before, there are more high end girls in Lido, but it's not difficult to find girls of same physical quality in SF and pay a lot less if you don't mind the area.[/QUOTE]THIS! PLEASE pay attention people! Stop overpaying in those clip joints in the north. ALL of these girls, and I mean ALL of them, work Chapinero and downtown as well, for that sure money. ALL. OF. THEM.

[QUOTE=Routard;2290511]It's OK if you feel confortable in the poorer area of Bogota. I apreciate both, but for first timers, south is definitvely not to recommend untel they get used with the city. True, shit can happen everywhere, and thiefes are everywhere. But in the northern areas there is much more protection. I live in the north because of safety. South, the houses and apartments are robbed anytime, while north any building has a 24 hours safety guard. There are more cameras, more police and everywhere there are private body guards you probably never had noticed as they are discrete. Once a guy robbed the cellphone of my girl friend from the open window of the car while she was waiting at the traffic light at 200m from where we live. From the car behind her, came out three armed bodyguards showing their gun and asking the guy to give the cellphone back. Last month I was having a coffee at my favorite terras. Suddenly someone yelled for a thief in the street. In couple of no time the thief was on the ground with several bodyguards on him. This will not happen in the south.[/QUOTE]Have to respectfully disagree.

I talk it you don't come down here much. They have the same "logistica" companies handling security that they have anywhere else in the city, with the same level of service. I don't know what would make you think different.

And from personal experience, I don't live in conjuntos anymore and one of the main reasons is that those security people are SHADY, and not to be trusted. They are often the first people to be accomplices to theft. I prefer houses. And trust me, they get robbed MORE in the north than in the south.

A relative of mine was visiting and he was here in the south for two weeks, no problems. Goes to the Dann Norte for the last week because he wanted nicer lodging. In that week he witnessed a store being robbed right in front of him. For some reason they left him alone, though.

The T is the WORST place in Bogota to go if you're worried about safety. That's the epicenter of people getting something slipped in their drinks. You'd be safer as a solo adventurer in Bosa or Soacha than in the T (and people will be a hell of a lot friendlier, guaranteed no English though).

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2291499]... That's why I asked about daytime hotels where I could arrange to meet them, any idea where to find them ? ![/QUOTE]There's several great Love motels in Chapinero around 63rd st west of Caracas. Many with theme rooms, Dandy is really nice.

Here is another [URL]http://www.amartesuite.com/[/URL].

I'll be in Bogota for some down time next month. Would any fellow mongerers care to meet up?

Can someone share some info for this place Gisell Barra Dance calle 58 Bis crr 10.

Thanks.

Hey guys, I've been in Bogota for a week now and glad to say I'm alive and kicking. Arrived with a bit of a nasty cold, probably from running around so much and getting stressed out before my trip. Thanks to those who tried to make me paranoid with the 'Passeo Millonario' stories, which probably didn't help either!

Has probably taken me until now to feel relaxed and comfortable here. I really like the people, haven't met an unfriendly person yet, they like a laugh like me, the food is good, and there are sexy looking women all over the place! Stayed the first 4 nights at the IBIS downtown, a nice and friendly hotel. The neighborhood around there is very safe during the day at least as it's the business area, though it's a bit nondescript. Moved to a really nice Airbnb near the junction of Carrera 11 and Avenida Calle 100 a few days ago for about 40 Euro a night. Seems like an upmarket business area, at lunchtime there are loads of gorgeous women around on their lunch break. Even right in front of my apartment! Today I wandered around the food court area by the World Trade centre here, never seen so many gorgeous ladies! Walking along Calle 99, going west from Carrera 11 at lunchtime was also full of talent.

Have walked a whole range of ways from here down to the area of Andino mall, and onto the Avenida de Chile Mall. I don't particularly like the Parque 93 area, or around Andino mall, too much like a snobby area back at home. Plus it's true what some people wrote that there are more hawkers there than downtown, where nobody ever bothered me whatsoever! Still, the hawkers / beggers uptown just try to get your attention, they don't do more than that.

On the downside, the pollution here is pretty bad, the pavements are a disaster. You have to really concentrate walking along them to not fall in some stupid hole and wreck your vacation! Same goes for the cliff edge drops from the pavements to the streets. I think the altitude has definitely affected me, I get tired much quicker when walking, also affects your concentration re. the sidewalks / not getting run down when crossing the road etc. Today my cold was finally a lot better and I seemed to have got more used to the altitude.

After all my questions and worries, I haven't had any issues regarding security (!?). Hardly anyone has even looked twice at me. But maybe that's also because I came so prepared. Plus I haven't walked anywhere late at night. I'm wearing jeans, crappy sneakers, a windbreaker and a cheap watch. The only downside of looking like a peasant, is that you're not going to attract the attention of any gorgeous women (in cafes / shops etc), are you? Maybe one day I'll dress smart and just hang out around here and see if I get lucky? I have been guilty of looking at my phone in the street a few times, but try to avoid doing it.

I must admit I was a bit paranoid my first few days here! It's good to research but maybe I overdid it, because I was scared of my own shadow the first time I walked out of my hotel. Now I walk all over the place in the daytime, and don't really feel nervous at all. Though if I start walking down an empty residential street, even in a good area say between where I'm staying and the Andino mall area, I will change to a busier street. I like walking down Carerra 15 as far down as Calle 65 (where the daytime motels are). The area has some life to it and it's not pretentious like around Andino mall / Parque 93. I'm not into malls by the way, but they're a good place to get your bearings, have a break, feel safe etc.

An alternative method to navigate the city which would be fun at least, is just to follow a sexy ass you see when you're out. Don't worry, this will definitely happen! Keep following the ass in question until A) You come to a street corner, then follow another sexy ass walking in another direction OR B) You just see an even sexier ass wherever you come across it and decide to follow that one. I can't guarantee that you'll end up anywhere useful but you should have fun in the meantime! Disclaimer, if you end up in the wrong part of town, don't blame me!

The first day I didn't do any mongering and just hung around the centre. On my second day I contacted a very curvy mulatta by Whatsapp, who I've been dying to shag for weeks. She sent me her details and address straight away, working out of hotel Paraiso on Calle 65, just off Carrera 14. Paid her 130,000 including oral without condom, plus had to pay the reception another 10,000. She was as good looking as her photos, but I was pretty jetlagged and it wasn't particularly memorable. Not a bad or a great first experience in Bogota. From there I walked to the Avenida Chile mall as it was my first venture into this area, and felt a bit uncomfortable walking around the streets there. I've contacted quite a few online chicas via Whatsapp, and most replied straight away, though most just sent generic replies and didn't answer specific questions (such as if they did oral without condom), until I prompted them again. By the way, several of them work at that same hotel, and as some of you have mentioned here, there are lots of similar daytime motels in the surrounding streets.

On my third day in the hotel, I woke up feeling relaxed, so decided to put on my BIG BOY PANTS (copyright Mr Enternational) and walk down to Santa Fe. By the time I got closer though I was feeling pretty nervous, It was midday on Saturday, so maybe not the best time for a lot of choice of chicas? But the selection on the street was actually pretty desperate! Looked more like a scene from the Star Wars bar and I couldn't get out of the place fast enough! Must have only seen about 15 chicas on the streets there. I think for me to take a chica to a room there, she would have to be pretty stunning, so uncomfortable as I felt in the place. Quite ironic that it was because of a video posted on youtube of the area that I wanted to come to Bogota in the first place! The area seemed much tidier and the chicas were way better looking on those videos!? Apparently, this video is from 2008 though? Still, I'm very glad I came to the city and it doesn't really bother me if I don't have any fun in Santa Fe. Maybe I'll go back again another time as I know the city better now. I don't think I'll bother going there at night though, as from the impression you guys gave me, the chicas in the clubs are almost exclusively skinnies, so I would just be wasting my time and money as they're not my type. I think my mongering here will be mainly daytime.

The next day I passed by Elixir Spa, at Carrera 16 a#77-47 at around 4 pm. The first chica who greeted me was a very pretty and sexy looking blonde with enhanced tits and ass. Sadly though, her good looks weren't a precursor for what was to follow, as none of the other chicas I was shown were much to look at! I only wanted a natural BJ as I was too tired for a shag, which she said would be 150000 (same price as for sex) plus 50000 for the natural BJ!? I thought that was too much and passed. I didn't bother with any of the other massage places from online ads, as their chicas didn't look great or they got bad reviews. Elixir Spa at least gets good reviews.

The second chica I called by coincidence worked out of the same place as the first (Hotel Paraiso on Calle 65). She looked my type on her ad, curvy and pretty, however in person she was miles better. When she opened the door I thought, damn, I've really hit the jackpot here! She was around 20, big tits, curvy hips, gorgeous face, nice skin, perfect teeth, and black hair down to her ass. Really!! And I am very picky by the way! She told me she was Venezuelan. Anyway, she charged 130000 plus another 50000 for natural blowjob. She was so good, I went back again today for seconds, which is something I rarely do!

There's nothing nicer than wandering around a cool city on vacation, after a good shag, feeling relaxed and in a good mood! I would hate to live here and never get laid, can you imagine how frustrating that would be with so much talent around!? So far that's all the mongering I've got up t in 6 days. A nasty cold, the altitude and some stomach problems haven't helped.

The first few days I had lots of transport issues. My hotel called me a regular taxi to go to Parque 93, from Taxi libre. The trip was fine, but on the way back I had to call them twice, it was totally over complicated, the first guy didn't show up, then the guy who finally came drove like a psycho in a little wreck with a broken seatbelt back to my hotel half way up the mountains along Carrera 1 / Diagonal. Another time, I stopped for a break at a bistro and asked them to call me a taxi. The chef had just stopped his shift and was an Uber driver. So by default I used Uber for the first time then. Finally got my act together the next day and registered with Uber. For my first ever Uber trip, the driver was a novice and I was to be his first passenger!? No thanks. I cancelled! But since then have used it a few times, and have to agree it's easily the best way to get about this city, cheap and safe!

Getting a Claro SIM card was easy, works fine but a pre-paid package only lasts for 15 days, then you have to renew it. Plus, I keep getting messages warning me that my phone will be blocked unless I register it, as other posters have warned about here. I tried to register it, and they also tried in the Claro shop with no luck! They now say I have to go to the head office to do it!?

Anyway, I've got 3 more days before going to the coast so hopefully I'll have some more adventures to report before then! Will probably come back to town for a few days before flying home too.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2295718]Still, I'm very glad I came to the city and it doesn't really bother me if I don't have any fun in Santa Fe. Maybe I'll go back again another time as I know the city better now. I don't think I'll bother going there at night though, as from the impression you guys gave me, the chicas in the clubs are almost exclusively skinnies, so I would just be wasting my time and money as they're not my type.[/QUOTE]Here we go again. Dude. You went all that way from Europe. Go see and stop assuming things and trying to justify your assumptions. Try to go with Woodman or something if you are still afraid.

I told you from the beginning that you were overthinking everything. I am glad that you are enjoying yourself in Colombia. It is just a place with people as any other place with people on earth would be.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2295741]Here we go again. Dude. You went all that way from Europe. Go see and stop assuming things and trying to justify your assumptions. Try to go with Woodman or something if you are still afraid.

[/QUOTE]What are you talking about, nightclubs ? I realise now that I'm here that I've grown out of the nightclub scene. It's not that I'm afraid at all, where did I write that? But why spend a ton on drinks, go through all the hassle of taxis, touts and having to fob off all the ladies who don't interest me, for maybe 1 who does ? Been there and done it too much in the past. If I can find a few cuties who give me what I want in daytime places and the internet, why bother ? I don't need to see every working chica in Bogota !

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2295746]What are you talking about, nightclubs ? I realise now that I'm here that I've grown out of the nightclub scene. It's not that I'm afraid at all, where did I write that? But why spend a ton on drinks, go through all the hassle of taxis, touts and having to fob off all the ladies who don't interest me, for maybe 1 who does ? [/QUOTE]LOL. Like I said, justifying your assumptions. How would you know how many interest you if you have never been? Don't know where you get the idea that you have to spend a ton on drinks (I think in my last report I said I paid 8K for a beer and heck it is free to get in) and fend off touts and ladies either. Just go see the stuff. But hey, it is your trip.

P. S. I think the title nightclub in a conventional sense is a misnomer. It is just a brothel with music and naked chicks dancing on the stage. So it is more of a strip/fuck club than a night club.

[quote]Quite ironic that it was because of a video posted on youtube of the area that I wanted to come to Bogota in the first place! The area seemed much tidier and the chicas were way better looking on those videos!?[/quote]You have to explore a place. Your report made it seem as if you arrived, peeked around a corner, and made haste to leave. The place is a few blocks big, so I don't think you can judge by one corner; especially when it is unknown which corner you were even on. I definitely would not consider any corner "tidy" whatever the case.

I always say a quality report contains where, when, and how much. A couple of months ago in the Medellin thread a guy asked a million questions and had a bunch of concerns same as Coupe. He went to Medellin and said what a shitty time he had. In the midst of all his concern, he forgot to ask or research the when. So he was going to casas at the time he should have been going to strip clubs, and going to strip clubs the time he should have been going to bars. He was all out of sync and wondering why places were closed or only had a couple of girls working.

When you look at a video you must remember that you don't know when they shot it and much like ISG posts you do not know the taste of the person that posted it. A million guys have talked about how they don't like Asian chicks. Then they get over here to Thailand and are like this is not what I expected. Exactly. Because experience is the best teacher and you can not go of the viewpoint that someone else put on display. You have to establish your own viewpoint by means of a thorough vetting of a place.

Mr Enternational, I've already told you why I'm not into nightclubs / stripcubs, who cares what you call them. I might go and check them out when I come back from the coast anyway, we'll see. I walked around the whole area in Santa Fe. I've been to many places in the world and have reported my experiences. I'm not apologising to you for asking a lot about Bogota. I have reported the where and when of my experiences. And like I said, I don't particularly care if the daytime scene in Santa Fe isn't what it used to be. I know what my taste in women is from personal experience. Anyway, you're just looking for negatives and I'm already bored of writing this reply!

You most likely will not get a reply.

I posted the site on the map two weeks ago.

It has to be a very new place.

They have a Facebook page for the one in Bucaramanga and a Twitter page.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Gisell-Barra-Dance/261418867226488[/URL]

[QUOTE=SXLover;2295630]Can someone share some info for this place Gisell Barra Dance calle 58 Bis crr 10.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Had to visit the doctor this week and was given a prescription for methylprednizone. It's a steroid anti-inflammatory drug. Besides wiping out joint and back pain, it also gives me a lot of energy. I've taken it several times in the past.

I don't know if you can get it without a prescription in Colombia. It might be worth a try to help deal with the Bogota altitude.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2295988]Had to visit the doctor this week and was given a prescription for methylprednizone. It's a steroid anti-inflammatory drug. Besides wiping out joint and back pain, it also gives me a lot of energy. I've taken it several times in the past.

I don't know if you can get it without a prescription in Colombia. It might be worth a try to help deal with the Bogota altitude.[/QUOTE]Full disclosure: not a doctor, but-.

Besides wiping out joint and back pain, steroids can fuck up your sugar levels and do other nasty shit to your internal organs. Be careful about using them when (strictly speaking) not necessary.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2295988]Had to visit the doctor this week and was given a prescription for methylprednizone. It's a steroid anti-inflammatory drug. Besides wiping out joint and back pain, it also gives me a lot of energy. I've taken it several times in the past.

I don't know if you can get it without a prescription in Colombia. It might be worth a try to help deal with the Bogota altitude.[/QUOTE]Is a steroid, it helps with breathing, it helps put extra cushion around your vertebrae and it lubricates your joints, its a temporary 30-45 days fix, the downside, it elevates blood sugar, weight, and can lead to osteoporosis. It will also eventually lead to a risk of COPD after your lung capacity has been reached. It also increases energy due to the increase tolerance of the respiratory capacity, use with caution, use only when necessary. Try NSAIDs, And Other Anti-inflammatory drugs with less side effects. I've never attempted to buy or retrieve steroids (methylprednisolone) in Colombia, the other drag is this: most pharmacist in Colombia don't give injections, therefore you buy the drug & syringe at the pharmacy and take the medicine to the Dr and the Dr administers it. Hope this helps. Pollo negro is out!

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2296033]Full disclosure: not a doctor, but-.

Besides wiping out joint and back pain, steroids can fuck up your sugar levels and do other nasty shit to your internal organs. Be careful about using them when (strictly speaking) not necessary.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%.

In the long run, steroids will do more harm than good.
Some Doctors are quick to prescribe a steroid. Always question if there is an alternative and if the dosage can be reduced etc.

~BKKguru

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2296033]Full disclosure: not a doctor, but-.

Besides wiping out joint and back pain, steroids can fuck up your sugar levels and do other nasty shit to your internal organs. Be careful about using them when (strictly speaking) not necessary.[/QUOTE]I should have added "ask your doctor for advice."

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2295718]
On my third day in the hotel, I woke up feeling relaxed, so decided to put on my BIG BOY PANTS (copyright Mr Enternational) and walk down to Santa Fe. By the time I got closer though I was feeling pretty nervous, It was midday on Saturday, so maybe not the best time for a lot of choice of chicas? But the selection on the street was actually pretty desperate! Looked more like a scene from the Star Wars bar and I couldn't get out of the place fast enough! Must have only seen about 15 chicas on the streets there. I think for me to take a chica to a room there, she would have to be pretty stunning, so uncomfortable as I felt in the place.
[/QUOTE]You're about to discover not all Colombian women are attractive or worth fucking. Also, you went to their crack town to find pussy. The barrier of entry there is very low.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2295718]

The first few days I had lots of transport issues. My hotel called me a regular taxi to go to Parque 93, from Taxi libre. The trip was fine, but on the way back I had to call them twice, it was totally over complicated, the first guy didn't show up, then the guy who finally came drove like a psycho in a little wreck with a broken seatbelt back to my hotel half way up the mountains along Carrera 1 / Diagonal. Another time, I stopped for a break at a bistro and asked them to call me a taxi. The chef had just stopped his shift and was an Uber driver. So by default I used Uber for the first time then. Finally got my act together the next day and registered with Uber. For my first ever Uber trip, the driver was a novice and I was to be his first passenger!? No thanks. I cancelled! But since then have used it a few times, and have to agree it's easily the best way to get about this city, cheap and safe!
[/QUOTE]You don't need to use uber or have someone call you a taxi. You can flag them down, get in, and its metered. There's a chart you can look at and the meter is a code to the chart. If that explains it properly.

[QUOTE]
Anyway, I've got 3 more days before going to the coast so hopefully I'll have some more adventures to report before then! Will probably come back to town for a few days before flying home too.[/QUOTE]I was in Cartagena recently and its not so good right around now. Too many dudes.

I apologize if this is the wrong board, I looked for an introduction board but couldn't find one.

Anyway, I'm totally new to mongering and never been out of the country. I've read a bunch of posts trying to get an idea of what to expect. However, I was wondering if it's possible to find someone to show me the ropes when I get there, and if so where I can find someone that would be willing to do that?

Another last resort option is bringing a buddy fluent in Spanish with me. I will be traveling to Bogota in May, and will be in Colombia for 2 weeks. I'm open to traveling to other spots as well.

Thanks for your help!

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2296069]Is a steroid, it helps with breathing, it helps put extra cushion around your vertebrae and it lubricates your joints, its a temporary 30-45 days fix, the downside, it elevates blood sugar, weight, and can lead to osteoporosis. It will also eventually lead to a risk of COPD after your lung capacity has been reached. It also increases energy due to the increase tolerance of the respiratory capacity, use with caution, use only when necessary. Try NSAIDs, And Other Anti-inflammatory drugs with less side effects. I've never attempted to buy or retrieve steroids (methylprednisolone) in Colombia, the other drag is this: most pharmacist in Colombia don't give injections, therefore you buy the drug & syringe at the pharmacy and take the medicine to the Dr and the Dr administers it. Hope this helps. Pollo negro is out![/QUOTE]Methylprednizone comes in a pill, dosage pack, with decreasing dosages. My current prescription starts with 6 x 4 MG the first day, then decreases by 1 pill each day, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Same basic effects, but doesn't require an injection. Certainly isn't something I'd suggest taking long term.

I've been dealing with a back problem for almost 30 years now. Been through physical therapy, massage therapy, traction, chiropractic treatment, plus about every combination of pills imaginable. Given the choice between another 6 months of PT, 3 times a week, or taking a pill for a week, I'd rather spend $10 on the pill. Quicker results, cheaper and just as effective.

The doctors prescribed me NSAIDs for years, with no effect, unless I wanted to risk kidney damage from ridiculously high dosages. Now, about every 3 years they'll prescribe me 6 or 7 days of the steroid and I'm mostly pain free for a few years.

I was with a couple of my friends in front of Fiebre club (1 de mayo) this Saturday and then we saw a kid by himself run up to 2 or 3 guys and pointed out to everybody and yelled out "they stole my phone!" There were a lot of people around and no one paid any attention to him. He then fell down. I and my friends approached and helped him. He was stabbed twice in the ribs and once in the hamstring (leg) (They stabbed him there so he wouldn't chase them I guess). We called an ambulance and he had to remove his coat and dress shirt. Don't go to places alone and a phone is not worth your life!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2296171]I should have added "ask your doctor for advice."[/QUOTE]A few last notes on the subject.

1. I've been mixing the generic name with a brand name. The generic name is "methylprednisolone. " One of the brand names is "Prednizone. ".

2. I don't recommend anyone just go out and try random medications without doing research and consulting an expert, especially not on my recommendation.

3. Except as prescribed by a doctor, I don't recommend anyone start a daily regimen, long term, of any medication, and if recommended by a doctor I suggest checking for alternatives.

4. Some of the effects of altitude sickness (difficulty breathing, shortness of breath, dizziness, lack of energy) may possibly be reduced methylprednisolone, since it's also used as a treatment for asthma. I'm somewhat surprised one of the drug companies hasn't tried marketing it for this. Now watch. In 6 months it'll be the latest OTC sensation.

5. Where are all of you guys every time someone is suggesting getting testosterone injections in Colombia, or picking up Viagra, or Cialis without a prescription?

When will you be there?

[QUOTE=OnionBootyFan;2296345]I apologize if this is the wrong board, I looked for an introduction board but couldn't find one.

Anyway, I'm totally new to mongering and never been out of the country. I've read a bunch of posts trying to get an idea of what to expect. However, I was wondering if it's possible to find someone to show me the ropes when I get there, and if so where I can find someone that would be willing to do that?

Another last resort option is bringing a buddy fluent in Spanish with me. I will be traveling to Bogota in May, and will be in Colombia for 2 weeks. I'm open to traveling to other spots as well.

Thanks for your help![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OnionBootyFan;2296345]I apologize if this is the wrong board, I looked for an introduction board but couldn't find one.

Anyway, I'm totally new to mongering and never been out of the country. I've read a bunch of posts trying to get an idea of what to expect. However, I was wondering if it's possible to find someone to show me the ropes when I get there, and if so where I can find someone that would be willing to do that?

Another last resort option is bringing a buddy fluent in Spanish with me. I will be traveling to Bogota in May, and will be in Colombia for 2 weeks. I'm open to traveling to other spots as well.

Thanks for your help![/QUOTE]Hi,

Help is available, search CraigsList Colombia for "Tour Guide Travel assistance Woodman".

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2296573]I was with a couple of my friends in front of Fiebre club (1 de mayo) this Saturday and then we saw a kid by himself run up to 2 or 3 guys and pointed out to everybody and yelled out "they stole my phone!" There were a lot of people around and no one paid any attention to him. He then fell down. I and my friends approached and helped him. He was stabbed twice in the ribs and once in the hamstring (leg) (They stabbed him there so he wouldn't chase them I guess). We called an ambulance and he had to remove his coat and dress shirt. Don't go to places alone and a phone is not worth your life![/QUOTE]I believe I uploaded the picture of the kid and it wasn't allowed? Was it to graphic for the board rules?

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2296573]I was with a couple of my friends in front of Fiebre club (1 de mayo) this Saturday and then we saw a kid by himself run up to 2 or 3 guys and pointed out to everybody and yelled out "they stole my phone!" There were a lot of people around and no one paid any attention to him. He then fell down. I and my friends approached and helped him. He was stabbed twice in the ribs and once in the hamstring (leg) (They stabbed him there so he wouldn't chase them I guess). We called an ambulance and he had to remove his coat and dress shirt. Don't go to places alone and a phone is not worth your life![/QUOTE]I'm sorry for this guy if this is what happened, but how come these things are always happening when you're around ? Last time apparently it was your friend who was robbed in Chapinero. When was this incident in front of Feibre club, day or nightime? Why was he wearing a dress shirt, was he going to a wedding? And saying before that it was a good job the thieves didn't know your friend was an American or they would have taken him on the 'Passeo Millonario' was a ridiculous thing to say, this hasn't happened for years now!

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2296801]I'm sorry for this guy if this is what happened, but how come these things are always happening when you're around ? Last time apparently it was your friend who was robbed in Chapinero. When was this incident in front of Feibre club, day or nightime? Why was he wearing a dress shirt, was he going to a wedding? And saying before that it was a good job the thieves didn't know your friend was an American or they would have taken him on the 'Passeo Millonario' was a ridiculous thing to say, this hasn't happened for years now![/QUOTE]There's a few possibilities. Some people just seem to always be at the right place at the right time to observe the wrong things. Other people like to shout "wolf."

30 years ago I took a temp job driving a wrecker in San Diego. When you spend 70-90 hours a week in big city traffic, you're more likely to see accidents happen, than if you're just spending 2 hours on a daily commute. We had one driver who would call in about some horrible accident once or twice a week, people ejected, cars in flame, scattered body parts. Every one was a wreck worthy of a Hollywood action movie.

Then one day he called to tell everyone about a car that had just exploded, huge fireball. Except this time I was about 2 miles behind him. No fireball, not even a fire. Just a car on the shoulder with a flat tire.

Not many gringos go to the Primer de Mayo area in Bogota. As the story was told, I'm not sure there is a difference between going alone or going with a group. Apparently the victim was stabbed by 3 guys with knives (once by a guy who couldn't have been over 2 feet tall, if he went for the hamstring). 3 gringos without knives vs 3 (2 1/3) Colombians with knives? I'm putting my money on the Colombians unless the gringos are all wearing knee high boots (to foil Mini-Me).

I'm curious why the guys with knives would go to the trouble to: 1. Stabbing the victim, in front of a crowd of people, over a phone; 2. Stab a guy in the hamstring to keep him from chasing them. He'd already been stabbed twice, I'm pretty sure they could have outrun him. Except for the really short guy.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2296825]There's a few possibilities. Some people just seem to always be at the right place at the right time to observe the wrong things. Other people like to shout "wolf."

30 years ago I took a temp job driving a wrecker in San Diego. When you spend 70-90 hours a week in big city traffic, you're more likely to see accidents happen, than if you're just spending 2 hours on a daily commute. We had one driver who would call in about some horrible accident once or twice a week, people ejected, cars in flame, scattered body parts. Every one was a wreck worthy of a Hollywood action movie..[/QUOTE]I have been living in Bogota for 2 1/2 months. I'm bilingual and look / pass as a Colombian and I was with my Colombian friends at that time. I see phone robberies (grab and dash) happen all the time (especially at night). But I don't see people go up to someone and threaten them with a knife because that is probably reserved when the victim is alone and no one else is around. This is the first case I have seen a stabbed person in front of so many people. What the kid told my friend (who was talking to him and helping him the most) is that he was looking at his phone that was on his hand and then one of the guys just grabbed it and he fought back, that's when the other thug stabbed him. The three thugs then just continued walking like it was nothing. They then walked more and eventually passed me and my friends (who were standing outside and waiting for my other friend to show up). That is when we witness the brave kid after getting stabbed limping back toward the guys and then point to them and shout to everyone "Look, they stole my phone! The thugs denied it and continued walking but then 10 seconds later they sprinted away. The kid then walked to the side and sat down and we helped him.

I was looking at my phone too but my Colombian friend who is from the Coast got an empty beer bottle from the ground and was ready on standby to smash it on anyone's head haha. He says the city / town where he is from linches thieves in moments like this but here in Bogota everyone just ignores them. To be fair to the people around that ignored the kid, the blood from his wounds were not noticeable under his dress shirt and jacket. Once he took the jacket off then you could see the blood. I'm still surprised by the audacity the thugs had to do that, they probably did it before and it worked and they it again and it worked. The thugs were not Colombian, they were Venezuelan.

Another comment said why was the kid wearing a dress shirt? 30-50% of the Colombians there were wearing dress shirts. For some reason, they don't link wearing a dress shirt to getting robbed so they wear what they want.

I'm posting the picture of the kid being treated by the Ambulance medic again. This time I'm going to cover his eyes and the medic's eyes.

Disclaimer: this could be Graphic as there is blood on the kid's shirt.

Bluecar, the Fiebre club is in Santa Fe, right? I walked through the area twice, it's one of the slummiest few streets I've ever wandered down, why the hell were you looking at your phones at night there and holding beer bottles, unless you're looking for trouble? I am sorry for the guy who got stabbed. Again, why was he looking at his phone? I spent 11 days in Bogota and didn't have any trouble, and didn't witness any crimes either. You and your friends must be doing something wrong, if crime keeps following you around.

Walking down a street where I can't look at my phone is safe? All for the purpose of getting some pussy!!

Mongering should be fun for the consumer not dangerous especially if you're going to a country where prostitution is legal. Lmao.

This is why Sante Fe is not worth it nor is Centro in Medellin.

I've been to Bogota 3 x and since the last time I went and saw how stupid the prices were getting at Lidos I just stopped going.

49 is definitely a fun club for a foreigner. Pussy house is not unless your Spanish is fluent.

Unless you enjoy the Sante Fe stroll Bogota really doesn't offer much for mongering. Unless you want to pay 800 k pesos for an hour with a hottie from one of the northern clubs.

[QUOTE=MamalaPenga;2296697]When will you be there?[/QUOTE]May 9th-23rd.

15 years ago, before I visited Colombia, I had the typical naive view of Colombia like any other foreigner who has never been to Colombia: guerilla, kidnap, Pablo Escobar etc. The first time I went to Colombia, I just couldn't tell it to my friends, as it just seemed madness to go to Colombia. But as soon as I arrived, I just felt in love of the country and its people. The people are so friendly, I just couldn't imagine someone trying to hurt me. I was over confident and blind, just like any one else who is in love. I travelled for years to Colombia as a tourist, nothing ever happened to me, I never felt unsafe and hated people criticizing Colombia. Now I'm living here for 5 years. I still love the country but share also the problems of the Colombians, including safety issues. Crime stats are sky high, although it doesn't target specifically foreigners. Again, nothing ever happened to me, but I don't know a single Colombian in Bogota who hasn't been victim at least once of pettycrime. Thats why safety is a never ending debate on the board, it just depends in which stage your are of your experience of Colombia. I'm now like any other Colombian, I try to give the best possible image of the country, I'm happy to see you guys visiting the country, but I just want you also to go back home safely with only good memories. Enjoy the country but stay alert at anytime.

Absurd perspective about Bogota. It offers more than anywhere in the world in terms of convenience, quantity, price and quality.

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2296573]I was with a couple of my friends in front of Fiebre club (1 de mayo) this Saturday and then we saw a kid by himself run up to 2 or 3 guys and pointed out to everybody and yelled out "they stole my phone!" There were a lot of people around and no one paid any attention to him. He then fell down. I and my friends approached and helped him. He was stabbed twice in the ribs and once in the hamstring (leg)[/QUOTE]Fiebre (along with Troya and other popular clubs) is on the main street of Santa Fe.

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2297097]Disclaimer: this could be Graphic as there is blood on the kid's shirt.[/QUOTE]Hmm!

There is no greenery on that main street. It's all full of bars and shops. So after he fell down in front of Fiebre, he must have walked 2 blocks?

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2297422]Fiebre (along with Troya and other popular clubs) is on the main street of Santa Fe.

Hmm!

There is no greenery on that main street. It's all full of bars and shops. So after he fell down in front of Fiebre, he must have walked 2 blocks?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2297118]Bluecar, the Fiebre club is in Santa Fe, right? I walked through the area twice, it's one of the slummiest few streets I've ever wandered down, why the hell were you looking at your phones at night there and holding beer bottles, unless you're looking for trouble? I am sorry for the guy who got stabbed. Again, why was he looking at his phone? I spent 11 days in Bogota and didn't have any trouble, and didn't witness any crimes either. You and your friends must be doing something wrong, if crime keeps following you around.[/QUOTE]GreenBud-- I was thinking the same thing but I looked it up on G map. BlueCar was referring to another Fiebre (not Fiebre Sex) which is on 1 de Mayo. That is a big avenue with a wide grassy medium strip. Blue Car - - tell us about the 1 de Mayo scene? Why go there? Is this Fiebre a strip club also? I was super content and felt unthreatened in Santa Fe. Having mongered in both Bogota and Medellin, I prefer Santa Fe over el centro in Medellin, and the casas in the capital over their counterparts in the eternal spring city.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;2297420]Absurd perspective about Bogota. It offers more than anywhere in the world in terms of convenience, quantity, price and quality.[/QUOTE]To each their own.

Been to Bogota 3 x and Medellin 6 x.

Bogota has some beautiful girls no doubt.

But Sante Fe is not for me.

The only thing I would say is I would consider wifing up a girl in Bogota rather than Medellin.

Medellin has the hotter girls overall but their diva attitudes only make me want to fuck as many of them as possible.

Here are a couple clips of everyday Bogota.

[URL]https://youtu.be/wA0IGxwRcJc[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/uN_p-3NGcnw[/URL]

Spent a week between Bogota and Cali. Went to a couple casas but a few of the pictures from Calle 67 #16-25. Two chocolate Venezuelas, 23 and 30, for 32 k each for 30 minutes. And the other pics is from Sante Fe. Paid 40 K for 30 minutes. Bogotá is a top of mountain for mongering. So many spots for all taste and pocket sizes. One of the Best bargain in the world.

Bogota has great value. 5/8 hours from the USA.

You can have a great time on $100 a day plus airfare.

Hotel $30 there are many options AirBnB has great places.

Food $20 if you eat at some of the local places.

Pussy $50 is enough to get quality 2/3 times If you were in Troya or Paisas you could session twice and have a beer. The streetie sweeties are like $13+ And there are some hotties.

I know!

[QUOTE=Global00;2297509]Spent a week between Bogota and Cali. Went to a couple casas but a few of the pictures from Calle 67 #16-25. Two chocolate Venezuelas, 23 and 30, for 32 k each for 30 minutes. And the other pics is from Sante Fe. Paid 40 K for 30 minutes. Bogot is a top of mountain for mongering. So many spots for all taste and pocket sizes. One of the Best bargain in the world.[/QUOTE]Yeah, That's what I'm talking' 'about! Don't forget the streetie sweeties!!

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;2297420]Absurd perspective about Bogota. It offers more than anywhere in the world in terms of convenience, quantity, price and quality.[/QUOTE]I second PM's sentiment. Visited Bogota for the first time about a year ago, and it was the most memorable and value-for-money experience I ever had (Rio comes close though). Can't wait to be back the next chance I get.

People wanted me to report on the southern clubs so here it is. I prefer the southern clubs rather than the Santa Fe Clubs. After 2 1/2 months I realize its the SAME girls at the Santa Fe clubs every day. They are hardened hookers. I prefer the clubs in el 1 de Mayo clubs a lot better. There are a lot more clubs and girls here. The girls are more GFE and there's more value. I find that there are a lot less fake breasts / butt in the south unlike Santa Fe. Its more natural. The turnover rate is also high in the southern clubs, so you can keep on going and find different girls there. I believe its because girls don't make that much money here, they just work in these clubs temporarily until they get a real job. Unlike in the Santa Fe clubs, the girls who are attractive earn more money relatively so they stay a lot longer LOL They also don't give much GFE because the whole city of Bogota (10 million people) comes to Santa Fe. People from the North and the South go to the Santa Fe clubs so they don't NEED a loyal clientele as there is more demand. The southern clubs are also in the same avenue as normal clubs where people party so you will see groups of people (regular girls and boys) with dress shirts / nice dresses and nice shoes walking around this avenue. I recommend the southern clubs but can't recommend you guys going there alone or with each other for that matter. You have to at least go with a Colombian or two, who know the area. There are many thieves and thugs here that have little regard for peoples lives.

LOL. Yes sir. I love the street sweeties as well. Bogota is a gem!

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2297518]Yeah, That's what I'm talking' 'about! Don't forget the streetie sweeties!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2297157]Walking down a street where I can't look at my phone is safe? All for the purpose of getting some pussy!!

Mongering should be fun for the consumer not dangerous especially if you're going to a country where prostitution is legal. Lmao.

This is why Sante Fe is not worth it nor is Centro in Medellin.

I've been to Bogota 3 x and since the last time I went and saw how stupid the prices were getting at Lidos I just stopped going.

49 is definitely a fun club for a foreigner. Pussy house is not unless your Spanish is fluent.

Unless you enjoy the Sante Fe stroll Bogota really doesn't offer much for mongering. Unless you want to pay 800 k pesos for an hour with a hottie from one of the northern clubs.[/QUOTE]I don't know how many times I have to repeat this.

Your "hotties from the northern clubs" ALL work Chapinero, Santa Fe, 1 de mayo etc. ALL. OF. THEM.

Lido's is literally the biggest ripoff in Colombia. You may as well just give your money to some street criminal.

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2297940]People wanted me to report on the southern clubs so here it is. I prefer the southern clubs rather than the Santa Fe Clubs. After 2 1/2 months I realize its the SAME girls at the Santa Fe clubs every day. They are hardened hookers. I prefer the clubs in el 1 de Mayo clubs a lot better. There are a lot more clubs and girls here. The girls are more GFE and there's more value. I find that there are a lot less fake breasts / butt in the south unlike Santa Fe. Its more natural. The turnover rate is also high in the southern clubs, so you can keep on going and find different girls there. I believe its because girls don't make that much money here, they just work in these clubs temporarily until they get a real job. Unlike in the Santa Fe clubs, the girls who are attractive earn more money relatively so they stay a lot longer LOL They also don't give much GFE because the whole city of Bogota (10 million people) comes to Santa Fe. People from the North and the South go to the Santa Fe clubs so they don't NEED a loyal clientele as there is more demand. The southern clubs are also in the same avenue as normal clubs where people party so you will see groups of people (regular girls and boys) with dress shirts / nice dresses and nice shoes walking around this avenue. I recommend the southern clubs but can't recommend you guys going there alone or with each other for that matter. You have to at least go with a Colombian or two, who know the area. There are many thieves and thugs here that have little regard for peoples lives.[/QUOTE]May favorite in the area is Guadalajara Club. They stay open after hours two for the night owls.

There's also a RLD in Venecia, and another one in Fontibón
. And another small one in Bosa Piamonte (not recommended, very far, low quality).

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2298059]I don't know how many times I have to repeat this.

Your "hotties from the northern clubs" ALL work Chapinero, Santa Fe, 1 de mayo etc. ALL. OF. THEM.

Lido's is literally the biggest ripoff in Colombia. You may as well just give your money to some street criminal.[/QUOTE]And I don't know how many times I'll repeat this. Yes there are a few girls who work both areas but definitely not ALL of them.

If you can't clearly see a difference between SOME of the high end girls up north and the average talent in Sante Fe you guys are definitely blind.

I personally know a group of girls from Medellin who go to Bogota to work. They are not going to Sante Fe. Why would they?

They would make more at an MP in Medellin if they wanted to sell their asses that cheap.

I’ll agree with you on Lidos being a rip-off now.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2298209]I personally know a group of girls from Medellin who go to Bogota to work. They are not going to Sante Fe. Why would they?[/QUOTE]By that same token why would they go to Bogota when guys in Gustos are paying US $200 and US $300?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2298224]By that same token why would they go to Bogota when guys in Gustos are paying US $200 and US $300?[/QUOTE]The girl I'm referring to when I was in Medellin had a client 8 x in two weeks at Gustos. She's absolutely killing it.

Her and her friends goes to Bogota and works at a Northern Club every once in a while.

She told me she worked at Lidos once but was not cool with paying 120 k to work there.

She also goes to Cancun to work with her friends.

My guess is these girls travel for the sake of traveling. Financially it's stupid imo.

There are girls out there and a lot of them that actually know how to hustle and make $$.

But who are we to mock their hustle.

If one is not willing to pay her price then be it.

But she will get it elsewhere. Why? Because she is actually really attractive and clearly not a girl who would walk the streets of Sante Fe or Centro.

That's why I say if you can't see the difference between some of these girls one must be blind.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2298232]The girl I'm referring to when I was in Medellin had a client 8 x in two weeks at Gustos. She's absolutely killing it.

Her and her friends goes to Bogota and works at a Northern Club every once in a while.

She told me she worked at Lidos once but was not cool with paying 120 k to work there.

She also goes to Cancun to work with her friends.

My guess is these girls travel for the sake of traveling. Financially it's stupid imo.

There are girls out there and a lot of them that actually know how to hustle and make $$.

But who are we to mock their hustle.

If one is not willing to pay her price then be it..[/QUOTE]LOL. That what she told you!

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2298307]LOL. That what she told you![/QUOTE]Her getting a customer 8 x in 2 weeks is something I know for a fact happened.

As far as the rest yes and don't see a reason for her to lie to me. Doesn't benefit her or me.

[QUOTE=Roman713;2295049]I know all the cool guys go hunting in the clubs, clinicas, and barrios, but if you happened to have more money than time. Does anyone have experience with agencies? I have been looking at La Celestina for an upcoming trip. I don't see much in the last 10 pages. Many thanks.[/QUOTE]I have had 2 services with this agency in prior trips to Bogota. Nowadays is the most popular one. Its 100% reliable, if you become a coustomer they send pictures with faces to your cellphone.

BTW I will be in Bogota next weekend 3/22, looking for wingman.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2298355]Her getting a customer 8 x in 2 weeks is something I know for a fact happened.

As far as the rest yes and don't see a reason for her to lie to me. Doesn't benefit her or me.[/QUOTE]Welcome to Colombia. Judging Colombiana actions by foreign standards won't yield consistent results. Just because a lie benefits nobody, isn't a factor in the decision whether or not to lie. It's part of their nature.

The reality about girls in North clubs and girls in Santa Fe lies between the 2 extremes. There are some who won't work in Santa Fe, at least not until they can no longer pull customers up north. There are plenty who will never get a chance to work up north.

There are also plenty who work both ends of the city.

Sangnyc21 et al, you all have points. I've read his posts on the MDE thread as well as here now. As I understand it, Sang has specific requirements for a girl's looks and is willing to pay for it. There are girls who I think are quite hot but probably will not meet his definition of a 9 or 10. While I've seen his kind of 9's, and possibly 10's, in Medellin's Centro and Bog's SF, it does take time to filter and he's not willing to do that. Let's just leave it be. Right now, you're all just talking over each other.

Also one thing to point out a lot of 9's and 10's are so because of makeup and clothes. The Northern Clubs for example, I can tell their faces were caked in makeup. I didn't go to Gusto's in MDE but I'd imagine if a girl knows she's only taking one guy that night, she'll spend more time doing her face. In Centro / SF, I can definitely tell the girls don't spend as much effort on that, probably because they're fucking multiple dudes a day. Take some of the 7's, put them in a nice dress and spend an hour or two in a makeup room and they'll look like Instagram models.

Just finished up my visit to Bogota and must say that I really like the city. As always, there are some great posts (probably some of the best I've seen of any city) by some members for Bogota. These are just my brief takeaways from my time.

Medellin – a lot of people recommended I visit Medellin when I was in Bogota, so definitely on my list next trip, but it got mentioned so much I thought it was worth mentioning in this post too, for anyone who has extra time in their planned visit.

Accommodation / Location – I stayed very far north, near Park Virrey in an Airbnb. Personally, very happy with the location and the apartment itself. Almost all apartments will have a doorman, but the ones in my building never questioned girl / s coming to the room, so all good on that front. There are lots of restaurants, café, banks and shops near the area in the north. As far as clubs go, lots of options here too. I even walked down to Chapinero on a few occasions.

The general rule of thumb is that the north is safe, and as visitors you wouldn't want to stay anywhere south of the city center (I. E. Parliament, gold museum etc). I honestly did not see any need to go that far south anyway.

Travel – Taxis are cheap, ubers are cheaper and involved less communication in Spanish, so my preferred option as usual.

Banks – As everyone else has pointed out already, Servibanca is a good options as far as ATMs go. Plenty of ATMS sprinkled over, but the green ATMs had the highest withdrawal allowance per previous reports.

Phone card – I just went to a little kiosk near where I was staying and the deal was pretty cheap (apologies, but can't recall exactly how much, maybe $30 k or something for my week).

Right, now to the options. I was aware of:

- Agencies.

- Day brothels.

- Strip Clubs.

Agency prices tend to start around $200 k -$300 k an hour. I ordered a girl on my first night, just for simplicity and got the girl I ordered but wasn't blown away. Soon realized that the prices were on the higher side and wasn't great value for the city's standards. But, did provide some good quality options and girls tended to be more to my preference compared to some clubs though. These were my shortlisted agencies after going through Routard's list:

- [URL]http://solitasparati.com[/URL].

- [URL]https://eroticasbogota.com/modelos.php[/URL].

Day Brothels – as per Routard, quite amazing really – options were no worse than the clubs but not too many caught my eye – prices are $30 k for 20-30 minutes to $70 k per hour. Only shame is that for me, most girls were 5-8 only. But, depending on your preference, there were certainly girls that would be 9's in some people's book. If there were better options here I would have stayed the whole day there.

Checked out three locations, and quality is generally similar. I may be wrong but I think Chicas Milenio has relocated. There's a place across the road from where it used to be which the best option I found was. I went to the place I thought Milenio relocated to (a few times) but sadly wasn't amazed and found the place across the road from the old location better.

Clubs (excluding Sante Fe) – Visited Pussy House (a bit early), La Forty Nine, Lido and Lalo (also note Lalo's international shut down, so only the one right next to Parque Virrey is still open).

Prices vary quite significantly, but truth be told I didn't actually take any girl to the rooms upstairs, only back home with me. The first girl I talked to quoted something like $300 k on premise and $500-$600 k to go home, which seemed like way better value for me, so I got transfixed on that idea.

Sadly, most girls I met tried to sneak home early, and didn't spend the whole night (more on this below).

Quick summary of the clubs:

- Pussy House – was there a bit early, but still quite a few guys and quite a few girls. A few that caught my eye as well. Drinks were quiet cheap as per Routard. As a gringo, services leaned on the pricier side of what Routard quoted, but not way more. Didn't opt for anything here, but was quoted $600 k all up for exit I think.

- La Forty Nine – A lot of girls here, but only a couple that caught my eye, one shy looking girl just sitting and waiting and her friend that joined her later (who ended up being much better in almost every single way). Exit fee to club was $200, $550 to the girl to exit for the night till 5 AM, think we left around 12, but they ended up asking if they could leave around 2-3, I was exhausted and didn't really feel like arguing. Service was a bit lacking, don't quite regret it, but also not blown away either.

- Lido – Very nice place, some nice girls, but not like, massively better either in my opinion, but SO expensive. I think I was quoted $400 k an hour. Ended up getting exit for $800 k or something, but she ended up changing the story to say it was 2 hours only but stayed a bit longer (maybe closer to 3). I mean she was a lovely girl and I had a good time, covered everything as well. Beers were $50 k and so was a water. Can't recommend this one unless you're looking for the nicest club to splash cash for the sake of it. Before you ask, actually went here with a local, so nothing was lost in translation and gringo tax would have been somewhat minimized.

- Lalo – Came here WAY too early and the place was deserted. I expected prices to be around La Forty Nine levels but can't attest to quality. Got gringo taxed massively and paid $60 k for a beer, couldn't be bothered to argue.

Sante Fe – So I walked around during the day and honestly wasn't particularly impressed so kind of wrote off visiting again. But the translator / night life guide I hired strongly recommended us going to a few clubs there, so I agreed. Very, very glad I did. I think I went on a Sunday or Monday, and it was still lively enough (you may have to go to a few clubs to find the busiest one for that night etc.) Visited La Paisas and Fiebre. Very wide choice of girls, different types so you should find something you like. Dances were like $20 k and 20 minutes in a room was $70 k – not as cheap as a day brothel, but still amazing. Beers were very cheap too, although I can't quite recall exactly how much.

A lot of girls wouldn't do private dances and would only go upstairs. Not a huge deal, but I thought getting a private dance was a good way to gauge what the girl was like. The girls also didn't seem to be constrained by the club – a lot came in and out seemingly as they pleased.

Could not recommend visiting Sante Fe enough, probably the best night out in a red light area I've had, but a few things for gringos to keep in mind:

1. I'm not convinced I would want to go to a proper club by myself – having people with you is way more fun.

2. I know no Spanish, so other than relying on google translate, communication was often quite limited, or you're suddenly stuck with the one girl who speaks English the bartender introduces you to.

3. I felt perfectly safe arriving in a taxi and going straight into the clubs, but I've been told Sante Fe is not 100% safe at night in the streets outside of a club.

The guide I had with me was honestly amazing, and I would highly recommend him – he helped translate and negotiate, and was great fun to hang out with in general. Everything you hope to get in a night time guide – all for $40 k an hour. If people are interested in his contacts, let me know and I can post separately or message you if I ever get private messaging back.

Takeaways:

1. If I had more time, during the day I would try and hunt down a few extra day brothels.

2. At night, Sante Fe was honestly my favourite, although certainly no harm checking out some of the other strip clubs. But if their prices seem a bit high, just leave, you're not going to be blown away by the service anyway, better to try and find a girl you like in Sante Fe and get her number or something.

3. Would honestly recommend a guide for gringos looking to go out – especially on a busier nights as English speaking bar staff / girls was quite limited in my experience.

Also apparently eating empanadas on the streets was recently made illegal – so watch out for that too I guess.

Just finished up a few rounds in Santa Fe. Venezuelans out in force. Not to say any better but cheaper. Had two. One started at 40.10 more for anal and 20 more to swallow.

The second was 50 but no anal however DFK was a go.

Lots more teenage male kids. Maybe cause it's Saturday but felt like I had to be more cautious than usual. Still prefer Santa Fe atunes in the daytime. El Castillo is closed BTW.

[QUOTE=Gimmedub;2299071]Just finished up a few rounds in Santa Fe. Venezuelans out in force. Not to say any better but cheaper. Had two. One started at 40.10 more for anal and 20 more to swallow.

The second was 50 but no anal however DFK was a go.

Lots more teenage male kids. Maybe cause it's Saturday but felt like I had to be more cautious than usual. Still prefer Santa Fe atunes in the daytime. El Castillo is closed BTW.[/QUOTE]I was there last. Was a great night in the clubs and on the street. The guy I was with was blown away. He sessioned 3-4 times.

[QUOTE=Gimmedub;2299071]Just finished up a few rounds in Santa Fe. Venezuelans out in force. Not to say any better but cheaper. Had two. One started at 40.10 more for anal and 20 more to swallow.

The second was 50 but no anal however DFK was a go.

Lots more teenage male kids. Maybe cause it's Saturday but felt like I had to be more cautious than usual. Still prefer Santa Fe atunes in the daytime. El Castillo is closed BTW.[/QUOTE]If you had only Monday night to have fun. Which club would you go to?

Hi,

I've spent a bit of time in Bogota but don't know the scene too well. I've used a couple of agencies that were terrible bait and switch and clearly catering to gringo tourists, and know the scene in Cartagena a bit better. Where can I find the best looking escorts in Bogota, price really isn't that much of an issue as I only have two nights and would only want one girl a day. I have a suite at the Sofitel so escorts to the room are probably better. Any escort agencies that can be recommended? Or independent escort sites? It seems there are so many out there it's hard to focus the search. I've also been told that there are 'managers' so to speak who manage girls where everything is a little bit more discreet and these girls might be semi public figures such as models etc (I know a girl I met in Cartagena who lived in Bogota who told me she had a manager who arranged bookings, however she is now married and moved on).

Any help would be appreciated if anyone has some local knowledge. It would be really good to get an idea of where to start, I've read through the forum a bit and I'm not sure the clubs are for me. I like to be able to whatsapp an agency or a service and be able to give my preferences and then go from there.

I seized an opportunity to return to Bogota this month. I had spent the second leg of my two-week Colombia trip last year in Bogota (see my September 2018 posts). My experiences in the Santa Fe red light district exceeded my expectations and left me with the desire to return there and explore it more extensively. I got a good deal on flights that gave me a window of three days in Bogota, which I think is just enough time to devote entirely to Santa Fe. I had already covered the sightseeing and other non-mongering activities in Bogota that interested me last year, and I had already explored the city's other mongering options in Chapinero and the far north and concluded that they were not worthwhile.

A mongering trip to Bogota can be dirt cheap if you play your cards right. The big variable is airfare, so I jumped on a good deal for non-stop Avianca flights between JFK and Bogota. Avianca remains the only airline with which I have not had any major problems so far. The inbound flight arrived an hour early. Avianca credited my LifeMiles account within 24 hours of both flights. I stayed again at the Ibis Bogota Museo, which has reasonable rates of 120,000 to 135,000 COP per night (I have been using Accor's loyalty program). The rooms are small and basic but of good quality and adequate for my purposes. The early check-in time of 12:00 is helpful if you are arriving in the morning, as I was, and they had my room ready even earlier than that, as I had requested during my online check-in the day before. Breakfast is available for an extra 21,000 COP, and lunch and dinner are also available at the on-site Peruvian restaurant. There are also many banks and restaurants nearby. Taxi rides between the Ibis and Santa Fe may be as short as five minutes and typically cost between 5,000 and 7,000 COP. The Ibis provides transport to the airport for 25,000 COP; the taxi from the airport may cost a bit more.

I decided to shift my focus within Santa Fe during this trip. On my previous trip, I went mostly at night and focused on Santa Fe's top nighttime clubs, such as Paisas, Troya, and Fiebre. It was only toward the end of that week that I discovered the advantages of the daytime scene and the street scene; I told myself that I would focus on those scenes whenever I returned. Some guys go to Santa Fe during the day because they think it is safer then, but another reason to go during the day is that attracts different types of girls. The daytime girls struck me as less hardened and artificial and more likely to give good service. The daytime scene may also be better for "girl next door" or MILF types. The top daytime venue is the club Atunes, where I had one of my best sessions on my last trip and on this trip as well. The advantages of Atunes include the lack of overcrowding and noise that one finds at the nighttime clubs, better lighting to inspect the merchandise, better session rooms, and towels upon request.

The street scene can be almost as active in the afternoon as at night, and it seems to shut down at night earlier than the main clubs. On my last trip, the surprisingly high visual quality of some of the street meat exceeded my expectations and tempted me to try it. I overcame my reluctance to try street meat for security reasons once I realized that the club girls were not necessarily any safer in that regard. I thus discovered the advantages of street meat, including lower prices, better session rooms, and a more consistent quality of service. Accordingly, most of my sessions on this trip were with street girls, rather than club girls. I found even lower prices among the street girls this time as low as 30,000 COP, but 40-50,000 COP was more typical (club girls start at 60,000 COP). Much to my surprise, I found on this trip that BBBJ was more widely available among street girls than it was among the supposedly "higher-end" club girls (definitely a relative term in the context of Santa Fe). The majority of street girls that I asked were open to BBBJ, whereas only a minority of club girls were open to it. I was even more surprised to find two street girls that did not charge extra for BBBJ at all, which I had thought was universal among those that do offer BBBJ. I was even more surprised to find two street girls that offered anal at no extra charge (I did not partake, as anal is not my cup of tea). One of them said that offering anal reduced the wear and tear on her pussy; the other one just seemed to be a genuine freak.

Overall, I would say that shifting from club girls to street girls eliminated the extreme fluctuations in the quality of the service that I experienced on my last trip, which had some definite highs and lows. Most of the street girls on this trip were at least satisfactory, but none of them knocked it out of the park like the better club girls, both on this trip and on my last trip. My best sessions on this trip were both with club girls: a daytime session at Atunes and a nighttime session at Troya with the black-haired, lighter-skinned girl in the below photo. That session at Troya would have been even better if the room had not smelled like weed. Troya continues to have the worst session rooms of the main clubs, and it did seem a bit less active than it did on my last trip, but it nonetheless still puts on the best stage show. Paisas has done some remodeling since my last trip and now seems to attract a larger and better crowd of girls than before. Fiebre remains more or less the same as I remember it from my last trip.

The amount of turnover in the talent pool in the six months since my last visit initially surprised me. Then I realized that a place like Santa Fe must be a meat grinder, and I would imagine those girls that can move on to greener pastures probably do so at the first opportunity. I recognized only a handful of faces from my last trip and only one with whom I had a session on my last trip. Many of the few girls that I did recognize from my last trip were girls that I had either interviewed and rejected or had decided to avoid entirely. I would guess that the ones that stick around a place like Santa Fe longer than others must be more hardened, which might have been why I had previously avoided them in the first place. In any event, perhaps this high rate of turnover in the talent pool is advantageous for mongers in that it provides a steady stream of fresh meat. I would note that most of the few faces that I recognized from my last trip were club girls; I only recognized one or two of the street girls. I suspect that many of the club girls are more seasoned and hardened, whereas the street meat may also be fresher meat.

One advantage of Bogota over Medellin, and perhaps of Santa Fe over the other venues in Bogota, is the greater diversity of the talent pool, with girls catering to a wide (r) range of tastes. I also found that the Santa Fe street scene may appeal to a wider range of tastes and have a wider variety of types than the Santa Fe clubs. I continued to develop my taste for girls from Cali, whom I have found to be among the most consistently good performers. This trip further increased my desire to visit Cali, even though what I have heard and read about that city and its mongering scene does not inspire much confidence. Much to my surprise, I found only two girls from Medellin, and they were both among the weaker performers on this trip. Venezuelans remain numerous both in the clubs and on the streets, but, as on my last trip, I did not find them any better or worse in terms of appearance, service, or pricing.

I learned on my last trip that most Santa Fe girls are not photo-friendly, and that even just asking for a photo can irritate them. I only asked some of them for photos on this trip; most of them refused, but here are photos of two girls that allowed me to photograph them. The one with the black hair and the light skin is a regular at Troya and a solid performer that I would highly recommend.

I would return to Bogota if and when a good deal on airfare makes it possible to arrange a dirt cheap trip of a few days. With that said, I think that Medellin offers greater and more consistent quality, so it remains a higher priority for me, especially for longer trips. My experiences in Santa Fe have nonetheless fueled my growing interest in Tijuana, which sounds similar and is one of a few major mongering spots that I have not visited yet. The women from Cali have continued to impress me, but what I have heard and read about their city suggests that I would find it rather less impressive.

[QUOTE=Moto1452;2299430]If you had only Monday night to have fun. Which club would you go to?[/QUOTE]Pussy House.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2298209]And I don't know how many times I'll repeat this. Yes there are a few girls who work both areas but definitely not ALL of them.

If you can't clearly see a difference between SOME of the high end girls up north and the average talent in Sante Fe you guys are definitely blind.

I personally know a group of girls from Medellin who go to Bogota to work. They are not going to Sante Fe. Why would they?

They would make more at an MP in Medellin if they wanted to sell their asses that cheap.

Ill agree with you on Lidos being a rip-off now.[/QUOTE]You're changing what I said.

Do all girls who work in Bogotá sometimes go to Santa Fe? NO, of COURSE not.

Do all girls who work in the north of Bogotá also work SOMEWHERE else in the city? ABSOLUTELY, 100% of them. No matter what they tell you. It's just simple economics; working in those places is too risky because it's costly and the work is too sporadic. It's the same reason why you see a musician playing arenas one day and playing the corner bar the next. Once again, ALL of them do this.

Is the AVERAGE quality higher in places like Lidos? ABSOLUTELY!

What I'm saying is, in practical terms, there is no point in going to places like Lidos, because, if you do your due diligence, you can go elsewhere and get LITERALLY the same talent for pennies on the dollar.

It's also worth pointing out at this point that not all of Santa Fe is about SW. SW are obviously the lowest cheapest and most dangerous form of p4 p. You have that definitely in Santa Fe (NOT RECOMMENDED AT ALL) and then you have the private residencias with independent girls, and then you have clubs and bars with various levels of filters for the girls working in there. There's maybe a 1000% spread from the cheapest of the cheap (NOT RECOMMENDED) to the most expensive in Santa Fe. So there's a big difference between working at La Piscina or Fiebre or walking around in dirty clothes on some street corner.

As a matter of fact, no one girl who works at one place ONLY works at one place and that's it. The only exception would be maybe a rich girl who wants to live out her fantasies by working in a *****house (which I've actually seen happen once), or things of that nature, where it's not really a business to them.

For starters, management rotates them all over the place and doesn't allow them to put down roots anywhere (in Bogota if you own one spot, you own 10 or 20 and the girls get moved between the various establishments).

I don't think that AVERAGE quality is such a great metric here, because, there are so many women in one place here, there are still going to be a bunch of stunners almost no matter where you go. And the stunners start at 50 k pesos!

I'm trying to save you guys some money here and also a little dignity. But if you really don't want to believe me despite the fact that I've been on ISG almost 20 years and been living in Bogota on and off for 14 of those 20 years, had GF's and even a wife in the industry etc. , it's on you!

[QUOTE=Gimmedub;2299071]Just finished up a few rounds in Santa Fe. Venezuelans out in force. Not to say any better but cheaper. Had two. One started at 40.10 more for anal and 20 more to swallow.

The second was 50 but no anal however DFK was a go.

Lots more teenage male kids. Maybe cause it's Saturday but felt like I had to be more cautious than usual. Still prefer Santa Fe atunes in the daytime. El Castillo is closed BTW.[/QUOTE]In general, the afternoon is the best time for p4 p in Bogotá. So much good talent goes to bed before 10 pm, it's surprising. But it is what it is.

Especially Santa Fe is MUCH better before the sun goes down. It's not as dangerous as it used to be, but the quality is better, and there is more supply and less demand. Less crowds, and better deals to be had.

90% of the girls on mileroticos etc. Stop attending at 6-7 pm 8 pm MAX.

Standard pricing in Pussy House: $60-80 k short time $100-120 k 1 hour.

TLN shouldn't be more than 250 k + salida. And for 250 k she better be a goddess arrived directly from a superior dimension! The going rate for that is 150-200 k. If the girl likes you it can happen for 100 k or less. Friends of mine have done it and so have I.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2299523]Pussy House.[/QUOTE]Thanks for recommendation.

It looks a bit sketchy, you think going alone is a good idea?

Rainy season in Bogota has begun. It will rain heavily many days a week until Easter or so.

Also things slow down last 2 weeks before Easter (holy week).

[QUOTE=Moto1452;2299798]It looks a bit sketchy, you think going alone is a good idea?[/QUOTE]What looks sketchy about it?

I have been to pussy house by myself. There was no problem at all. The waiter keeps asking for tips which annoyed me. I liked the place because it's so cheap. When I went there was one really popular chick that got a lot of attention. I didn't get any FS, just wanted to relax and enjoyed the show.

[QUOTE=Moto1452;2299798]Thanks for recommendation.

It looks a bit sketchy, you think going alone is a good idea?[/QUOTE]

Looking for a wingman so I don't have to go Solo in Santa Fe. DM me.

[QUOTE=Moto1452;2299798]Thanks for recommendation.

It looks a bit sketchy, you think going alone is a good idea?[/QUOTE]Was there on Wednesday and saw a chick I used to bang from 49 (the cheap one around the corner) I knew her personal life and I was making her jealous with her friend. She got upset that I was finger banging her friend and kissing her and got her whatsapp. All it cost me was a corona haha.

Pussy is not sketchy, it just looks that way, but of course always have your spidy sense up when you leave. There are usually taxi near by if you need to jump into one. I actually just walked home on 13. One of the advantages of living there.

[QUOTE=Moto1452;2299798]Thanks for recommendation.

It looks a bit sketchy, you think going alone is a good idea?[/QUOTE]Don't be walking around drunk in that area alone at night. Otherwise, yeah.

If you're calling an Uber to pick you up, just be aware that they might not be able to stop right in front of the place because often there are pissmobiles parked there.

Hi mates,

I had to cancel my previous plan to visit Colombia, the only thing stopped me was I speak only English! Here we go!

Given the fact my Spanish learning is not going anywhere. I have decided to travel anyway. Form May 22nd to May 29th. Can be a little flexible with dates, but planning to book the ticket in 1 week time, other wise its going to get expensive.

My plan is fly directly to Bogota from London.

What will make sense? Split my stay between Bogota, Medellin or Bogota / Cali. Or Bogota, Medellin and Cali.

I have a simple question, how far I can survive in the mongering space with English!!

Meanwhile, I am also trying to find some local help. A chica! Who can speak some English. For some help.

Hope to get some direction from fellow mongers.

I'the do Medellin and Bogota. You have more than a month. Learn a few phrases.

[QUOTE=Mike963;2301348]Hi mates,

I had to cancel my previous plan to visit Colombia, the only thing stopped me was I speak only English! Here we go!

Given the fact my Spanish learning is not going anywhere. I have decided to travel anyway. Form May 22nd to May 29th. Can be a little flexible with dates, but planning to book the ticket in 1 week time, other wise its going to get expensive.

My plan is fly directly to Bogota from London.

What will make sense? Split my stay between Bogota, Medellin or Bogota / Cali. Or Bogota, Medellin and Cali.

I have a simple question, how far I can survive in the mongering space with English!!

Meanwhile, I am also trying to find some local help. A chica! Who can speak some English. For some help.

Hope to get some direction from fellow mongers.[/QUOTE].

Planning on going to Bogota for a week sometime in May. I'm semi-fluent in Spanish (half Venezuelan) so I can speak with locals. I'd like to know if my budget of $1000 is alright in terms of food, transportation, and entertainment for that week. Not counting airbnb of course, planning on getting a nice apartment for myself. If it's too low then that's fine, I'll save up a bit more.

I may go to other cities if I find out how or have a friend, but not counting on that to happen for my first time in Colombia, haha. Totally willing to pay a tour guide for help too.

Appreciate the help, guys. I've spent a week reading these forums so far LOL.

[QUOTE=Mike963;2301348]Hi mates,

I had to cancel my previous plan to visit Colombia, the only thing stopped me was I speak only English! Here we go!

Given the fact my Spanish learning is not going anywhere. I have decided to travel anyway. Form May 22nd to May 29th. Can be a little flexible with dates, but planning to book the ticket in 1 week time, other wise its going to get expensive.

My plan is fly directly to Bogota from London.

What will make sense? Split my stay between Bogota, Medellin or Bogota / Cali. Or Bogota, Medellin and Cali.

I have a simple question, how far I can survive in the mongering space with English!!

Meanwhile, I am also trying to find some local help. A chica! Who can speak some English. For some help.

Hope to get some direction from fellow mongers.[/QUOTE]Before someone else suggests it, have you considered the Mansion in Medellin?

[URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/[/URL]

English speaking staff, full of like minded mongers and there's always someone willing to help show you around. Working girls hang around the pool daytime and in the bar at night. It's not the cheapest option, but it might be what you are looking for.

You won't find a lot of people who speak much English. You'll find the biggest concentration of English speakers in the Parque Lleras area of Medellin. Getting by with no Spanish is possible, but can be extremely frustrating. I suggest getting the Duolingo app and spending 30 minutes a day working on Spanish. It will greatly improve your trip.

There are expats in Bogota and Medellin who are willing to play wingman, for a small fee.

[QUOTE=Md955;2301439]Planning on going to Bogota for a week sometime in May. I'm semi-fluent in Spanish (half Venezuelan) so I can speak with locals. I'd like to know if my budget of $1000 is alright in terms of food, transportation, and entertainment for that week. Not counting airbnb of course, planning on getting a nice apartment for myself. If it's too low then that's fine, I'll save up a bit more.

I may go to other cities if I find out how or have a friend, but not counting on that to happen for my first time in Colombia, haha. Totally willing to pay a tour guide for help too.

Appreciate the help, guys. I've spent a week reading these forums so far LOL.[/QUOTE]$1000 a week is fine. I figure a reasonable minimum is $100 a day if you economize and eat at locals places.

[QUOTE=Md955;2301439]Planning on going to Bogota for a week sometime in May. I'm semi-fluent in Spanish (half Venezuelan) so I can speak with locals. I'd like to know if my budget of $1000 is alright in terms of food, transportation, and entertainment for that week. Not counting airbnb of course, planning on getting a nice apartment for myself. If it's too low then that's fine, I'll save up a bit more.

I may go to other cities if I find out how or have a friend, but not counting on that to happen for my first time in Colombia, haha. Totally willing to pay a tour guide for help too.

Appreciate the help, guys. I've spent a week reading these forums so far LOL.[/QUOTE]I figure my budget, including lodging, at $200 per day. That's based on $40-$50 per day for lodging, $25 per day for food, $25 for daily transportation and $100 for entertainment. For me, those numbers are high, except for lodging. I usually spend $10-$15 daily on food and less than $10 on transportation. My entertainment expenses run from $20-$70.

Whether or not your $1000 is enough depends on your appetites. You planning on doing 4 girls every day and only eating in the expensive restaurants, you might be short.

[QUOTE=Mike963;2301348]Hi mates,

I had to cancel my previous plan to visit Colombia, the only thing stopped me was I speak only English! Here we go!

Given the fact my Spanish learning is not going anywhere. I have decided to travel anyway. Form May 22nd to May 29th. Can be a little flexible with dates, but planning to book the ticket in 1 week time, other wise its going to get expensive.

My plan is fly directly to Bogota from London.

What will make sense? Split my stay between Bogota, Medellin or Bogota / Cali. Or Bogota, Medellin and Cali.

I have a simple question, how far I can survive in the mongering space with English!!

Meanwhile, I am also trying to find some local help. A chica! Who can speak some English. For some help.

Hope to get some direction from fellow mongers.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't bother going to Cali. Medellin is a great city definitely worth your time. If you want a 3rd city I'd do Cartagena.

You'll definitely struggle without some spanish though. Almost no one speaks English. Don't let it stop you from going, but I really would recommend doing some duolingo and learning some phrases. Colombians are easy to understand.

Today with a wing man, good friend of mines. And just like everywhere else I go, if Plata is what they want then you're good. Went to Atunes and all of the clubs in Santa Fe, I told my wing man that I don't do Casas or strip clubs, but I had to let him have his feel because he did take time to bring me out here and hold my hand. We talk weekly and we finally came to some agreement about women in general, especially the working ladies, the prettier they are, the more proud they are and less likely to allow you to film and photo them. Me and my wing man went to nearly 15 clubs in Santa Fe and every girl he propositioned even at 400-500 mil for all night, would not allow photos of their face or wouldn't do BBBJ. I laughed, and told my wing man, this is the reason I won't patronize organized buildings and girls. I told him please show me where the street girls are, we went through Santa Fe and I looked several chics over then I grabbed 3 of them, 2 sisters and their cousins. At a bargain of a deal they will be with me and the wingman all night, depending on how they perform, I might keep them all 3 days that I am here. I guess I'm lucky or I have a look about me that speaks for itself, I walked pass all of the motorcycle shops and smelled all of the fumes and fuel, I'm just glad to get an opportunity to come to Bogota and see Santa Fe for myself. Yes there are more girls than Centro, but also more opportunity to run into problematic chicas as well. It took about 30 mins to find girls who would do: oral, vaginal, anal, suck milk and photo & film, but in no time flat, they were found and are here naked sticking to the agreed deal. They all have cedulas, so that's a plus, 18,19, & 19. So far, I'm loving Bogota! Pollo negro is out!

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2301055]Don't be walking around drunk in that area alone at night. Otherwise, yeah.

If you're calling an Uber to pick you up, just be aware that they might not be able to stop right in front of the place because often there are pissmobiles parked there.[/QUOTE]Best place to catch your Uber / taxi out of SA is on Calle 24 and CR 16.

Guys, I delayedmy reipto Bogota. Last time I went I met a hot girl on the Cuoid site.

Anyway, wondering what people think the best approach is for a guy who like All Night Long wtih 7-10's who know what they are doing. Oral natrual is a must.

Any thoughts? Girls? Clbs? Prepagos?

THANKS!

Nobody look at my face!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2291783]Aren't you black? Just curious, do you know of any black guys who are not high profile who have been kidnapped? It must happen on occasion, but I've never heard of it happening. Our company tries to send black guys to the areas where kidnapping occurs because they are perceived to be far less of a kidnapping risk. When our company sends white guys to those "dangerous" areas, they have to provide security for them because they have had them kidnapped in the past. I'm a white guy, and when I went to Nigeria, I was fine in Lagos, but when I went to an area outside Lagos that had many kidnappings in the past, they provided an armed guard for me at all times. I would have preferred to not have that guy with me all the time because it was a pain in the ass. I traveled there with 3 black guys and they didn't have any security at all the entire time.

Dave Chapelle explains it here:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2ASPUkkHMs[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HumanBeing1;2301823]Wouldn't bother going to Cali. Medellin is a great city definitely worth your time. If you want a 3rd city I'd do Cartagena.

You'll definitely struggle without some spanish though. Almost no one speaks English. Don't let it stop you from going, but I really would recommend doing some duolingo and learning some phrases. Colombians are easy to understand.[/QUOTE]I personally like Medellíand but under those circumstances I'd split between Bogotá and Cali.

Cartagena is EXTREMELY hot and humid, so I never go there unless they pay me to go. If you like that kind of weather, then that's an option, but also, prices and attitudes favor you a lot less there than the rest of the country.

Medellíand is alright but I find that the gastronomy and cultural factors are a little lacking for me. Cali is one of the best places if not the best place in the nation for non p4 p action.

If you want something just chill and also really beautiful girls and low key vibe, Bucaramanga is also good, and really good p4 p.

Any boards in Spanish, Colombia focused ones?

Can't find it.

Thanks.