Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Phreeman69;2990164]A buddy and I spent three days in Medellin entertaining Facebook girls in the afternoon and pulling from Lleras at night. The apartment was just a block off the park, convenient but also very noisy. After picking up snacks and libations, we'd warm the girls up in the hot tub, which was on a private patio, then bring them inside for banging. No-rush, girlfriend experience and BBBJ was agreed ahead of time (we both speak Spanish), which was not usually a problem.

A building security guard photographed their IDs, and we kept everything locked up in the safes, plus there being two of us it felt fairly secure. Twice I pulled a pair of girls from Lleras, which was a treat. A day trip to the city center turned up lots of girls (and trans) but none good looking enough to bring home.

We paid 250 k or 300 k. Some wanted more but we didn't go with them. We were confident of the price and girls generally accepted it without hesitation.

Fun trip. Medellin is great.[/QUOTE]Hello Bro, how do you know these girls in Facebook would be ready for hookup. Do you see any specific criteria to search these Facebook girls.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2995471]Has anyone tried seeking arrangements in Medellin? How did it go?[/QUOTE]I only use Seeking in Colombia and have had great luck but it's work at first sorting through all of the straight up hookers and scammers but I can spot the hookers from a mile away and I lay out my requirements right out of the gate and don't let any girl try to dictate anything, I'm the boss because I'm paying. I have two girls in Medellin and one in my home city of Manizales on monthly retainer and I have never been happier, I'll never go back to fucking straight up hookers again.

[QUOTE=OldParr;2995489]Has been discussed before and it is a big NO! Try it and report back on it please.[/QUOTE]It's a big NO for the clueless dudes, yes. I've been going to Colombia for 20 years and live here full time now and I can tell you that Seeking has been awesome but I know how to use the service whereas most guys are clueless.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;2995707] my home city of Manizales [/QUOTE]I love the Cafetero Region of Pereira / Manizales / Armenia.

Everybody is talking about time and prices paid but nobody is talking about what they look like and if they are giving you BBFS without an upcharge. Looks are very important to me. Some SA girls are very hot but they almost always want a premium just because they are on SA. I would say about 200 m more than they are worth. I stopped using it but now have a stable of chicas from FB and a few from SA that charge a fair price and are ready to see me.

[QUOTE=Shnshan7;2995688]Hello Bro, how do you know these girls in Facebook would be ready for hookup. Do you see any specific criteria to search these Facebook girls.[/QUOTE]Start making friends on FB and start talking to them. You will start to figure out quickly when young woman start sending you friend requests.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2995786]Everybody is talking about time and prices paid but nobody is talking about what they look like and if they are giving you BBFS without an upcharge. [/QUOTE]That is probably because YMMV. Just because I got BBFS does not mean you will get it. You may be ready to pay 500 K to a rail thin chick covered in tattoos while the next guy may not fuck her if she paid him. These reports are guidelines, not absolutes. Besides, the website is full of independents. Someone saying they got something with 1 person has zero to do with what someone else will get with another person. That is like me going on cupid meeting a normal chick and she cooks for me. Another guy can not expect to go on cupid and meet a totally different girl expecting her to cook for him.

[QUOTE=Shnshan7;2995688]Hello Bro, how do you know these girls in Facebook would be ready for hookup. Do you see any specific criteria to search these Facebook girls.[/QUOTE]

Search for Munoz in this thread. My posts have the keywords you can use to find hundreds of them if not a thousand.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2995786]but nobody is talking about what they look like and if they are giving you BBFS without an upcharge. Looks are very important to me.[/QUOTE]Then show us some photos. To others, performance and result are more important than look.

I have my BBFS source in Michigan for 200 usd so I'm pretty price sensitive. Looks are nice but a 6 with no limits is way better than 9-10 with weird rules.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2875212]Find her on Facebook. You can add friends from her friend list. Then look for a guy on her friend list with "Cpa-pc" in his name, his list is also open, you can add his friends too.[/QUOTE]Just took a look at it on FB. Lmao 🤣 so many gringos.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2995471]Has anyone tried seeking arrangements in Medellin? How did it go?[/QUOTE]I have not done anything since 2020, and my understanding is prices are way up.

Bogota was my favorite. Women were good looking, professional, and ambitious. It was not my favorite place because of the altitude, pollution, and traffic. In fact, I recommend staying a little outside of Bogota in a city like Chia so as not to deal with it. Unlike the USA where I would get one date a month, it was no problem getting two dates a day back then.

Medellin is complicated. There were no shortage of beauties for an arrangement. It had by far the most short term players. As someone who was interested in long term, if the rest of Colombia thinks long term is an hour, in Medellin, it is 30 minutes. My best finds there were not women who grew up in Medellin but college students who grew up in other cities. I could get up to three dates a day there. And that reminds me. If a woman is not working a white collar job or studying to work one, forget about anything long term. The women cannot even process that term. Great looks, great in bed, horrible character is my stereotype of Medellin women.

Barranquilla was a one date a day place. There are not that many women on seeking there despite BAQ being the 4th biggest city, however the women I did meet blew my socks off. BAQ is off the tourist's radar, has tons of hot women, but they are hard to find. One of the women I met there went to Carnivale with her friends and showed me a video. One or two of her friends were even hotter than her. She told me that all her friends, except the ones with BFs, would have been open to an arrangement. Given what I have learned about Colombian women, I would be much more bold now than I was. I would go to Carnivale and be propositioning the women without BFs or husbands and not even using seeking there. If I had to set up camp, I would do it in BAQ and preferably during / around when Carnivale is going on. The city is pretty much boring other than that week.

Cali is wide open. Both women I dated had never been on a seeking date before, and they were both stunners, but like BAQ, it is one date a day. Looks wise though, Cali is below all the other cities. I would put Medellin and Barranquilla on top with Bogota next and then Cali.

Other city was Cartagena. That is more like one date every two or three days. I like the city and am there all the time, but I do not see that many beauties walking around. The one woman I did date there was stuck up. I am not sure if it was because she was a beauty queen or because so many tourists are in Cartagena or both. So looks wise and price wise, it is #5 of all that I listed although the city itself is great. With CTG, IMO, the way to do it is to find a woman in Medellin or Bogota, and fly them down. Most women in both cities but definitely Bogota love the sun and warmth CTG has to offer.

If the women really like you, there is a chance they are willing to fuck you for nothing if they are interested in long term. Whatever you make in the USA, multiply it by 10, and that is what you are making in Colombia. Would a woman in the USA fuck a guy making $100 k for year? Probably not. If it is a million a year, the answer is probably. That is how to think of it in Colombia.

Outside of those women, the least I paid was $60, and the most was a good looking woman with whom I would go twice and was bare. I gave her $140. Again, the women doing P4 P these days are going to want more. I have been told it is in the $100 to $200+ range now but it could be more.

FWIW, from a purely sexual and dollar POV, hookers were a better value. Thing is with seeking, you are looking for the women willing to fuck you for nothing who are great looking and great in bed, and where if you do pay that what you give is more a gift than a fee. You also want to hang out with them when you are done playing. You will get a great number of guys here who have never been on seeking saying that it is the same as sleeping with hookers. What they do not get is that while on average hookers are the better value, the top seeking women are way better than the top hookers.

For me, I could introduce the top women from seeking to my friends and family while I would never dream of doing that with a hooker. So if you use that criteria: beautiful, great in bed, and can introduce to friends and family, Colombia was the #1 country in the world for seeking with Bogota being the best city. The top women in Mexico wanted 5 X more than Colombia and in the USA they wanted 10 to 20 X more money. Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=YouHadMeathalo;2995943]Just took a look at it on FB. Lmao 🤣 so many gringos.[/QUOTE]It took me less than a minutes to find it and all girls. I am pretty sure others will recognize some of the them.

Sorry if that came across as rude, I just thought it was really funny how many men had friended her already.

Sorry if that came across as rude, I just thought it was really funny how many men had friended her already.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2995978]I have been told it is in the $100 to $200+ range now but it could be more.[/QUOTE]Funny shit my boy put in the group chat this morning.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2995978]If the women really like you, there is a chance they are willing to fuck you for nothing if they are interested in long term.[/QUOTE]I met a few women in Medellin on Colombian Cupid. I paid for dinners and did fuck one potential long term once. Unfortunately her pussy smelled like old urine, she was totally not worth it. When I tried to break it off with her, then she demanded her money. You end up paying one way or another, or they will scream bloody murder and other lies as they leave the hotel.

[QUOTE=YouHadMeathalo;2996331]Sorry if that came across as rude, I just thought it was really funny how many men had friended her already.[/QUOTE]No problem. That is what to look for. You will get better acceptance rate from the girls that are friends of the gringos.

[QUOTE=YouHadMeathalo;2996329]Sorry if that came across as rude, I just thought it was really funny how many men had friended her already.[/QUOTE]They are hookers. It is their job. Why would it be funny for them to have many customers or potential customers?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2987830]Yep, Medellin and Sosua are pretty much a wrap now. I'm guessing the same for Cartagena? I'm not about nostalgia, but we got to be realistic. Mongering will always be around but gone are the "good ole days. " Prices rarely, if ever, go down. Enjoy it while it lasts because nothing lasts forever. Part of what made these places great was that there weren't a lot of knuckleheads. Now they are run over with Knuckleheads.

My guess is more dudes will eventually make their way to Bogota. I'm sure the reviews on this site of specific places there will help spread the word.[/QUOTE]Looking at some of the reviews I guess I'm swapping to Bogota. I really love medellin though. Provenza area, the climate. Said I have to pivot mongering cause price is so jacked up.

I guess its either Bogota or santa marta.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2996429]I met a few women in Medellin on Colombian Cupid. I paid for dinners and did fuck one potential long term once. Unfortunately her pussy smelled like old urine, she was totally not worth it. When I tried to break it off with her, then she demanded her money. You end up paying one way or another, or they will scream bloody murder and other lies as they leave the hotel.[/QUOTE]You are right. In fact, if I was not interested in a woman long term, I would insist on paying them even if they did not want it. It was my way of saying, "Yes, this is just P4P."

One thing I have learned in life is that deferred pussy is not sweeter. Like a woman extending me sex early on, I knew she wanted long term $. I think the men taking short term free pussy are just as bad as the women who go on dates and let men spend all kind of money on them but have no interest in ever having sex with the guy. If a woman likes the guy but is not interested in having sex, she should be paying for half the dates.

I have never had a hooker say a visit is free, and there has been only a few on the very high end that I would have considered dating, and I am not sure I would have felt comfortable taken a freebie from any of them if it were offered. Let us say said woman became a GF. What does it say about you if you are introducing your friends and family to a well known hooker as a GF?

Most guys on here who have never been on seeking say that the freebies did not happen or the women are all hookers. The guys who have gotten on seeking will tell you the same thing I did. At least it used to be that way. Maybe it is not like that now, I do not know.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;2989770]The name of the bar is Medellin Sports Bar, there are working girls that pass through there from time to time, they hang out for a while and then they head to Parque Lleras, there are two very hot waitresses that work there but not sure if they are in play. I stay down the street from there and go there regularly, their burgers are good too. Bring a sweater or jacket as it is always freezing cold in there.[/QUOTE]And some of the best chicken wings I have ever eaten. The owner is actually from Texas.

"Foursome, really?"

I can't imagine having a foursome with strangers even in US, let alone Colombia. I did have a threesome one time in Vegas but I knew one of the girls. Even at that I was a little concerned of it.

No matter what country you hobby in, Colombia, Peru, Brazil, see. Are. Etc. This is true. <we're in it for the sex, they are in it for the money. . There are exceptions to the rule but not many. Some girls in it for the quick buck, some are in it for the long game. Some will introduce you to their family and kids to make you think they are sincere. In my opinion Bogota, my main stomping grounds for years now has gone thru some changes most for the negative. The women are numerous, 5 million or more, most don't speak English however some students will have a rudimentary form of English. IMHO Medellin was ruined years ago by Gringos, USA and Euro by over paying in their 2 trips a year. If one guy pays 100 or 200 that now is their benchmark and will think everyone can or will pay that. Bogota has entered that same situation. For years I have not gone to a casa or SE or club for pussy. For years the women I have met never even mentioned money or how much or a time limit. But with each encounter that gets to be les the norm. Years ago I saw the same thing happen in CR. Back in the late 90's and 2000 the hot Ticas would go to your hotel for 10,000 Colones or less, no time limit no taxi bla bla bla then the gringos discovered CR and the girls would talk and try to price fix now for what I understand you would be hard pressed to find a dog face for less than 100. Or more. Yea I heard it all, Its my money and I can pay what I want or the knight in shining armor who wants to change her life it happens but it ruins certain places for this hobby. If you fall in love in this hobby you're falling in love by yourself. There are a few guys on this board who have found the exception to the rule and found a special woman who is in love and can be trusted but not many. The thing about Latin America is you'll never know what regular wife or student who would never think of working in SF or a working girl house, can be coaxed into a sexual relationship for a little attention and a gift of a few dollars. Back to Bogota, although few and far between you can still find a gem here and there that has not been ruined by over paying tourists. If you still enjoy the hunt, not jaded best to move your tack to other lesser known cities like Manizales, or Pereira pronounced Pea-a-the you will need to speak a decent Spanish to get the best experience. Be safe and Happy trails.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2996922]If you still enjoy the hunt, not jaded best to move your tack to other lesser known cities like Manizales, or Pereira..[/QUOTE]Hell no! They need to stay where they are at and keep ruining that place. Keep them over there! I enjoy going places where I don't see Gringos. I absolutely love it.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2996922] lesser known cities like Manizales, or Pereira pronounced Pea-a-the you will need to speak a decent Spanish to get the best experience. Be safe and Happy trails.[/QUOTE]Pronounced "Pea-a-the" Lol. It's actually pronounced just like it's spelled, Pereira.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;2995651]Hey all, I'll be in Medellin from this Saturday the 12th through Monday the 21st. I'll be staying close to Parque Lleras, just because I like that area more than Botero, but will be heading to Botero probably late morning to mid-afternoon every day because I am after all an "el centro hoodrat".

All this to say, I'll confirm prices that I am offered and what I can negotiate when I'm there.

I also will say that this whole discussion of price oftentimes devolves into apples v. Oranges comparisons. I try to convert pricing into an equivalent time period to get a better understanding of where things stand.

As an example from my last trip to Medellin in November 2024:

Plaza Botero girls. All right around $40 k for a short time, plus room, or $50 k-60 k for short time and they paid the room, but either way, figure $60 k for 20 minutes in a short time room across from the church. If you convert that into an hourly rate, you're looking at $180 k, since the room charge is for each short time visit. Perhaps the girl would go cheaper for the second or third extension, but in practice I've generally paid an additional $40 k, but sometimes less, just depends. So figure, round numbers, $180-200 k for a solid hour of chica time.

Parque Lleras. Also November 2024 - each and every girl was $200 k or below, but never lower than $150 k and each gave well over an hour, with several of them going to 2 hours, but that was generally the cutoff.[/QUOTE]One of the problems at Botero is that there have been a few gringos hanging around Veracruz area since the time of covid, and locals and working girls dislike and deride them. These loud, and unattractive, guys act like they are big shots. Some girls don't deal with them or gringos in general. You may want to wear a decent cloth, have a proper attitude, and look different from them.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2996925]Hell no! They need to stay where they are at and keep ruining that place. Keep them over there! I enjoy going places where I don't see Gringos. I absolutely love it.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTwyqVC2qvU&t=14s[/URL]

Listen from 9:26.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2996931]Pronounced "Pea-a-the" Lol. It's actually pronounced just like it's spelled, Pereira.[/QUOTE]Pea ah the auto correct changed what I wrote and I never proof read it my bad!

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2996925]Hell no! They need to stay where they are at and keep ruining that place. Keep them over there! I enjoy going places where I don't see Gringos. I absolutely love it.[/QUOTE]That's why I stopped going to CR 20 years ago or Medellin 10 years ago. Peru is or was great to go and never see a gringo. Or hear English. They have invaded Bogota in the last couple years. You would never see a dude wearing shorts in Bogota but now you see gringo tourists wearing shorts not just an occasional skate boarders.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2997097]That's why I stopped going to CR 20 years ago or Medellin 10 years ago. Peru is or was great to go and never see a gringo. Or hear English. They have invaded Bogota in the last couple years. You would never see a dude wearing shorts in Bogota but now you see gringo tourists wearing shorts not just an occasional skate boarders.[/QUOTE]Can't imagine shorts in Bogota. My visits there I've been shivering cold wearing jeans and a sweatshirt.

It's taken me a long time to figure out the tourist in shorts phenomenon doesn't have much to do with weather. The mentality seems to be that unless you are wearing some combination of sandals and shorts you can't really be on vacation. It's not unusual to see tourists in shorts on a chilly day in Times Square. I see it as a question of situational awareness. I always wear shorts on my trips to and from the gym here. It's a five minute walk from home. If I had to travel farther I would wear warm up pants and change at the gym.

[QUOTE=Combo;2997113]Can't imagine shorts in Bogota. My visits there I've been shivering cold wearing jeans and a sweatshirt.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2997195]unless you are wearing some combination of sandals and shorts you can't really be on vacation. It's not unusual to see tourists in shorts on a chilly day in Times Square..... I always wear shorts on my trips to and from the gym here. [/QUOTE]My mother from up north explained to me that when she comes to tropical climates she wears socks inside her sandals so they do not hurt or bite into her feet. I have seen men from New York City on the beach with short pants, black shoes and socks, and they think they are ok. People from up north do not wear sandals much, do not break them in, and do not develop callouses on their feet, like those in tropical climates who can go barefoot or in flip flops or sandals without socks. Still people from colder climates have money to spend, so they should be accepted regardless.

Long pants are more traditional in Colombia, but they need to get with reality. Other people with money can go to the gym, wear short pants, sandals, whatever is fine.

Any strip clubs similar to HK or what strip clubs do you guys recommend?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2997195]It's taken me a long time to figure out the tourist in shorts phenomenon doesn't have much to do with weather. The mentality seems to be that unless you are wearing some combination of sandals and shorts you can't really be on vacation. It's not unusual to see tourists in shorts on a chilly day in Times Square. I see it as a question of situational awareness. I always wear shorts on my trips to and from the gym here. It's a five minute walk from home. If I had to travel farther I would wear warm up pants and change at the gym.[/QUOTE]Shorts do take less room in your luggage.

That's a fair point.

[QUOTE=Combo;2997336]Shorts do take less room in your luggage.[/QUOTE]

Like a lot of members here, I've been to dozens of countries. I can think of only two exceptions where long pants are not traditional. One of them is tropical locations where most of the streets are not paved (e. G. The South Pacific, Madagascarc etc.); the other is Brazil where it's not unusual see locals in flip flops and shorts in the busiest central business districts of the biggest cities.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2997253]My mother from up north explained to me that when she comes to tropical climates she wears socks inside her sandals so they do not hurt or bite into her feet. I have seen men from New York City on the beach with short pants, black shoes and socks, and they think they are ok. People from up north do not wear sandals much, do not break them in, and do not develop callouses on their feet, like those in tropical climates who can go barefoot or in flip flops or sandals without socks. Still people from colder climates have money to spend, so they should be accepted regardless.

Long pants are more traditional in Colombia, but they need to get with reality. Other people with money can go to the gym, wear short pants, sandals, whatever is fine.[/QUOTE]

F..k that. If I'm visiting a country and the temperature is 70 degrees F or more I'm wearing shorts. I'm more comfortable in them.

You touched on the most important bit. Everyone should do what makes them feel most comfortable. I support it to the extent it doesn't cause personal safety risk or put anyone else at risk.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2997452]F..k that. If I'm visiting a country and the temperature is 70 degrees F or more I'm wearing shorts. I'm more comfortable in them.[/QUOTE]

I was on youtube researching Medellin. I saw a number of reports of guys being drugged and one guys who was kid napped. I travel alone and am a bit concerned about being a lone wolf in Coumbia. The guys were experienced mongers.

[QUOTE=OldKool;2997571]I was on youtube researching Medellin. I saw a number of reports of guys being drugged and one guys who was kid napped. I travel alone and am a bit concerned about being a lone wolf in Coumbia. The guys were experienced mongers.[/QUOTE]Easy to avoid that. Only fuck chicks with 1 or less tattoo. And what I have preached forever, do not drink around them. Every drugged story starts off with drinking.

[QUOTE=OldKool;2997571]I was on youtube researching Medellin. I saw a number of reports of guys being drugged and one guys who was kid napped. I travel alone and am a bit concerned about being a lone wolf in Coumbia. The guys were experienced mongers.[/QUOTE]Seems that you don't research the Medellin thread.

[QUOTE=OldKool;2997571]I was on youtube researching Medellin. I saw a number of reports of guys being drugged and one guys who was kid napped. I travel alone and am a bit concerned about being a lone wolf in Coumbia. The guys were experienced mongers.[/QUOTE]The rules:

(1) Dress like the Colombians (shirt, pants and shoes), not like an obvious tourist and no expensive attire;.

(2) No ostentation, expensive jewelry, etc. (leave the Rolex at home);.

(3) Do not have on your attire the impression of a bulging wallet;.

(4) Leave your main phone (with banking, etc.) in your room safe, walk around with a burner phone;.

(5) Do not walk around inebriated;.

(6) Most importantly, when you invite a girl to your room never, I say never, lose site of your drink or food. If for some reason you do abandon that particular drink or meal.

Do the above and you should be ok like you are in the Dominican Republic.

Great advice for (insert any and every country here).

[QUOTE=Turgid;2997716]The rules:

(1) Dress like the Colombians (shirt, pants and shoes), not like an obvious tourist and no expensive attire;.

(2) No ostentation, expensive jewelry, etc. (leave the Rolex at home);.

(3) Do not have on your attire the impression of a bulging wallet;.

(4) Leave your main phone (with banking, etc.) in your room safe, walk around with a burner phone;.

(5) Do not walk around inebriated;.

(6) Most importantly, when you invite a girl to your room never, I say never, lose site of your drink or food. If for some reason you do abandon that particular drink or meal.

Do the above and you should be ok like you are in the Dominican Republic.[/QUOTE]

I was surprised by the level of criminal behavior. In 2023 32 tourist were killed in Columbia not to mention scores of kid napping's. Makes a little leery being a solo traveler.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2997716]The rules:

(1) Dress like the Colombians (shirt, pants and shoes), not like an obvious tourist and no expensive attire;.

(2) No ostentation, expensive jewelry, etc. (leave the Rolex at home);.

(3) Do not have on your attire the impression of a bulging wallet;.

(4) Leave your main phone (with banking, etc.) in your room safe, walk around with a burner phone;.

(5) Do not walk around inebriated;.

(6) Most importantly, when you invite a girl to your room never, I say never, lose site of your drink or food. If for some reason you do abandon that particular drink or meal.

Do the above and you should be ok like you are in the Dominican Republic.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;2997754]I was surprised by the level of criminal behavior. In 2023 32 tourist were killed in Columbia not to mention scores of kid napping's. Makes a little leery being a solo traveler.[/QUOTE]Its a dangerous place for mongers. I'll be there for the tenth time in a week. You have to know how to operate and be smart. My biggest problems are deciding where to eat and who to see in my 10 days.

[QUOTE=OldKool;2997754]I was surprised by the level of criminal behavior. In 2023 32 tourist were killed in Columbia not to mention scores of kid napping's. Makes a little leery being a solo traveler.[/QUOTE]Yeahhhh going for a 3rd time but this time its going to be a solo visit.

I'm trying to find people to meet up with so I can head out to clubs together.

If anyone there early may lmk.

[QUOTE=OldKool;2997754]I was surprised by the level of criminal behavior. In 2023 32 tourist were killed in Columbia not to mention scores of kid napping's. Makes a little leery being a solo traveler.[/QUOTE]You shouldn't be surprised. Colombia has been dangerous for a long time and it was much worse in the past with the narco violence. Robberies, kidnappings and druggings are not unusual in Colombia and you will hear new stories every week or so. Now I just came back from Thailand and I never felt in danger in any way. If you want easy access to sex for a reasonable price where you don't have to worry about your safety, go to Thailand. If you go to Colombia, the danger is part of the deal. If you don't want to worry about being drugged or robbed, don't go to Colombia. There are other countries where it is much safer. Even Mexico is much safer for mongers and it is closer to Americans. I have always enjoyed myself in GDL, Mexico and I have never felt unsafe there.

[QUOTE=OldKool;2997571]I was on youtube researching Medellin. I saw a number of reports of guys being drugged and one guys who was kid napped. I travel alone and am a bit concerned about being a lone wolf in Coumbia. The guys were experienced mongers.[/QUOTE]Columbia, Missouri is safer than Columbia, South Carolina. I haven't been to Columbia, Maryland and so cannot comment.

I would like to check out a swinger club as I have never been to one. I am not interested in participating but can bring a partner along with if needed.

Does anyone have any recs for a decent, busy swinger place that provides a relaxed atmosphere for just viewing the activities? La Piscina, may be?

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2997817]You shouldn't be surprised. Colombia has been dangerous for a long time and it was much worse in the past with the narco violence. Robberies, kidnappings and druggings are not unusual in Colombia and you will hear new stories every week or so. Now I just came back from Thailand and I never felt in danger in any way. If you want easy access to sex for a reasonable price where you don't have to worry about your safety, go to Thailand. If you go to Colombia, the danger is part of the deal. If you don't want to worry about being drugged or robbed, don't go to Colombia. There are other countries where it is much safer. Even Mexico is much safer for mongers and it is closer to Americans. I have always enjoyed myself in GDL, Mexico and I have never felt unsafe there.[/QUOTE]Been exploring Colombia for decades, yes you read that right for Decades and living 10 plus years in Medellin so over these years I have forgotten more than what most people including local Colombian know about Colombia including the chicas from every region / department in Colombia.

Having never been to Thailand but have spent enough time in the Philippines to know that simply put Asian girls just don't do it for me, great to have fun with but really nothing special, thin with no beautiful rear ends like here in Latin America, 99.89% with no breast, zero personality, zero charm or playfulness, I guess the proverbial "To each his own" applies here, the Paisa "cuteness factor" can be off the charts, simply incredible.

Certainly I would never ever consider living full time in any Asian countries such as Thailand, no thanks, my gawd I am spoiled in Colombia, the sweetest most charming Paisas that I have encountered in my life, sensual / charming / playful / flirty / sexy / girl next door types / etc. Yes they are hard to find but dang once you click with one or two, I have many over the past decade, you will never look back.

So you all can stick to "safe" but for myself and a handful of others, just a few out of a hundred thousand, just a bit of street smarts and measured reasonableness in living and playing (no drinking, no drugs, no risky behaviors) and learning Spanish, well the world will open up for you.

Happy Easter to all!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2997720]Great advice for (insert any and every country here).[/QUOTE]Actually, I do not follow those rules when I am in Asia or Europe. The only problem I ever had was once in Frankfurt, Germany when I was shopping for stuff for people back home and got careless and rested my bag on the ground to take photos. After taking the photos the bag was gone. No one got any goodies when I returned home from that trip.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2997716]The rules:[/QUOTE]They can be simplified:

1. Do not walk around.
2. Carry a burner phone, leave your main phone (with banking, etc.) outside of your room.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2997777]Its a dangerous place for mongers. I'll be there for the tenth time in a week. You have to know how to operate and be smart. My biggest problems are deciding where to eat and who to see in my 10 days.[/QUOTE]Do you mostly eat in restaurants or uber eats?

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2997858]Been exploring Colombia for decades, yes you read that right for Decades and living 10 plus years in Medellin so over these years I have forgotten more than what most people including local Colombian know about Colombia including the chicas from every region / department in Colombia.

Having never been to Thailand but have spent enough time in the Philippines to know that simply put Asian girls just don't do it for me, great to have fun with but really nothing special, thin with no beautiful rear ends like here in Latin America, 99.89% with no breast, zero personality, zero charm or playfulness, I guess the proverbial "To each his own" applies here, the Paisa "cuteness factor" can be off the charts, simply incredible.

Certainly I would never ever consider living full time in any Asian countries such as Thailand, no thanks, my gawd I am spoiled in Colombia, the sweetest most charming Paisas that I have encountered in my life, sensual / charming / playful / flirty / sexy / girl next door types / etc. Yes they are hard to find but dang once you click with one or two, I have many over the past decade, you will never look back.

So you all can stick to "safe" but for myself and a handful of others, just a few out of a hundred thousand, just a bit of street smarts and measured reasonableness in living and playing (no drinking, no drugs, no risky behaviors) and learning Spanish, well the world will open up for you.

Happy Easter to all!

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I concur. I will add that living in Colombia is a game changer vs. Visiting. I visited for 18 years and have lived here full time for two and a half years. I now have a small harum of the finest paisa chicas I have ever been with, girl next door types that are sweet, beautiful and sexy as fuck all, took awhile to weed out the bad apples and mediocre ones but now life is good, very very good.

[QUOTE=OldKool;2997571]I was on youtube researching Medellin. I saw a number of reports of guys being drugged and one guys who was kid napped. I travel alone and am a bit concerned about being a lone wolf in Coumbia. The guys were experienced mongers.[/QUOTE]Don't worry, you won't be the wolf.

To the wily veterans in the group, do any of you have experience with the previous downturns in Costa Rica, Sosua, etc.? Are you getting those vibes here in Medellin? It's not the same place it was even just a couple years ago, and certainly not 5, 10, 15 years ago. Maybe I'm jaded, or maybe the writing is on the wall. I see the immigration lines being posted almost daily. People are waiting 3-4 hours for entry; the majority being men coming down to throw around money without a care in the world. Due to social media, Paisa girls now all see the lucky ones that take off to Europe, Mexico, Brazil, Dubai, etc. They can sit at home and be on OF instead of out on the prowl. Many stick to their hotter friend's price she got one time from some idiot on his first trip. Parque Llleras is almost embarrassing, at this point.

I'm sure most have an opinion, but I am specifically hoping to hear from some of the fellas that have seen a once-great destination turn into the dumps.

Speaking of the immigration line, the government could make a boat load with an express line; even if you had to pre-register. I'm actually shocked that the shift supervisor doesn't just make one a couple times a day and pay off his crew to keep quiet.

Cheers!

OldKool you have been stomping around this yard for awhile. You should know how to move abroad even if it is an unfamiliar locale. It shouldn't be difficult to navigate but instead an adventure or maybe in your case, a challenge with some added anxiety. My first time to Colombia (that's Colombia with an "o") was a solo trip to Cartagena. As a matter of fact, I have never traveled to Colombia with anyone or met up with anyone. I don't care about that or where the Gringos are at. All solo trips and to date I have been to 17 different cities in Colombia over the years. It's a great thing to experience and my opinion it's way better than the DR, hands down. I've been there done that and there is no comparison to me.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2997929]Don't worry, you won't be the wolf.

To the wily veterans in the group, do any of you have experience with the previous downturns in Costa Rica, Sosua, etc.? Are you getting those vibes here in Medellin? It's not the same place it was even just a couple years ago, and certainly not 5, 10, 15 years ago. Maybe I'm jaded, or maybe the writing is on the wall. I see the immigration lines being posted almost daily. People are waiting 3-4 hours for entry; the majority being men coming down to throw around money without a care in the world. Due to social media, Paisa girls now all see the lucky ones that take off to Europe, Mexico, Brazil, Dubai, etc. They can sit at home and be on OF instead of out on the prowl. Many stick to their hotter friend's price she got one time from some idiot on his first trip. Parque Llleras is almost embarrassing, at this point.

I'm sure most have an opinion, but I am specifically hoping to hear from some of the fellas that have seen a once-great destination turn into the dumps.

Speaking of the immigration line, the government could make a boat load with an express line; even if you had to pre-register. I'm actually shocked that the shift supervisor doesn't just make one a couple times a day and pay off his crew to keep quiet.

Cheers![/QUOTE]Immigration lines are long but usually not that long. I usually wait about one hour. Yes, a lot of old timers whining and complaining about the way it has changed from 10-15 years ago but most of us have not been coming to Medellin so long. We only know the Medellin the way it has been recently. The reason the immigration lines are so long and so many men are coming is that Medellin is still good. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be so many people coming. As for whether most men spending money like crazy, I don't think you can really gauge that. What is your method of calculating how much most men are spending in Medellin? I just spend what I want to spend and I don't worry about what others are spending. No sense worrying about things out of your control.

Yes, I know that there are some who believe that other men are causing the price they pay to rise but Medellin is a big city and there are many available women.

[QUOTE=Thaw982;2997902]Do you mostly eat in restaurants or uber eats?[/QUOTE]I'd say 50/50 for dinner. If I'm with a girl I like but I don't want to take her out to dinner for various reasons, usually too young, but she wants to hang out and order rappi I will do that. A few of my girls are mature enough and dressed appropriately to take out or I will eat out solo. I also eat out all lunches.

Will be heading back to Medellin in a couple days. I want to try out a Centro SW for the first time in my 20 odd years of visiting the city. Could any of you Centro veterans recommend the best short time hotel in the area? I don't want to just go with the girl's choice. I want a spacious clean room with clean bathroom and decent bed with clean sheets. Let me know if there is no such hotel in the vicinity, then I will just taxi to a decent one.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2997929]Don't worry, you won't be the wolf.

To the wily veterans in the group, do any of you have experience with the previous downturns in Costa Rica, Sosua, etc.? Are you getting those vibes here in Medellin? It's not the same place it was even just a couple years ago, and certainly not 5, 10, 15 years ago [/QUOTE]Name one mongering location in the entire world that is the same as 5-15 years ago. News flash, there isn't one.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;2997924]I concur. I will add that living in Colombia is a game changer vs. Visiting. I visited for 18 years and have lived here full time for two and a half years. I now have a small harum of the finest paisa chicas I have ever been with, girl next door types that are sweet, beautiful and sexy as fuck all, took awhile to weed out the bad apples and mediocre ones but now life is good, very very good.[/QUOTE]Hi, what strategy did you use to win over those fine ladies?

Are they 20' 30' years old?

Hope you can share. Thanks bye.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;2998072]Name one mongering location in the entire world that is the same as 5-15 years ago. News flash, there isn't one.[/QUOTE]Not only that. But I doubt that there is any mongering location in the world that people who visited there 5-15 years ago. Now think has gone down hill. Every place is new and shiny the first times you go.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2997929]To the wily veterans in the group, do any of you have experience with the previous downturns in Costa Rica, Sosua, etc.? Are you getting those vibes here in Medellin? It's not the same place it was even just a couple years ago, and certainly not 5, 10, 15 years ago. Maybe I'm jaded, or maybe the writing is on the wall.

I'm sure most have an opinion, but I am specifically hoping to hear from some of the fellas that have seen a once-great destination turn into the dumps.[/QUOTE]I started going to CR in 2009 and to Medellin at the end of 2010. I stopped going to CR for mongering in 2016 because the quality of women in Medellin was better than in San Jose. I've been back to San Jose a few times for dental work, but I'm finished with CR dentists now. I started seeing major changes in the Medellin women at least a year ago. I think there is no longer an abundance of young, slim, attractive women. Most of the new women now want 300 to 500 mil pesos plus taxis and require the use of a condom. It's rare I find an attractive young woman on Facebook. Speaking of Facebook, there is something weird going on there. I've been in Medellin two weeks during this trip. I haven't posted anything on Facebook to indicate I'm in Medellin. I've been getting multiple Facebook friend requests every day. A few days ago, I received 24 requests in one day. Most of the women are unattractive or have locked their profiles. Some of the ones I think are attractive, I accept their request and send them a message thanking them for inviting me to be their friend. Nothing else in my message, but many don't respond. I just checked, and today I've received 13 requests and it's not yet 1:30 pm. I still have Facebook friends from the past who are happy with 250 mil pesos.

In my opinion, San Jose is now a wasteland for mongering. I was there for a week early last year, for dental work, and wasn't with any chicas.

I don't think Medellin has turned into a dump. There are still many young, attractive women available at a good price and provide very good service. They're just not as young as they used to be.

Here are 2, I have been to the first one:

Lujuria- its in San Diego.

Club swinger fantasy also in San Diego.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2997837]I would like to check out a swinger club as I have never been to one. I am not interested in participating but can bring a partner along with if needed.

Does anyone have any recs for a decent, busy swinger place that provides a relaxed atmosphere for just viewing the activities? La Piscina, may be?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2998068]Will be heading back to Medellin in a couple days. I want to try out a Centro SW for the first time in my 20 odd years of visiting the city. Could any of you Centro veterans recommend the best short time hotel in the area? I don't want to just go with the girl's choice. I want a spacious clean room with clean bathroom and decent bed with clean sheets. Let me know if there is no such hotel in the vicinity, then I will just taxi to a decent one.[/QUOTE]Hotel Botero Real if it's just for 30 min.

Hotel paisaje real if you want up to 3 hours.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2998119]Here are 2, I have been to the first one:

Lujuria- its in San Diego.

Club swinger fantasy also in San Diego.[/QUOTE]Thank you for replying. I have heard that Lujuria is a new and upcoming place. How was your experience? Went solo or with a partner?

I just arrived in Medellin, my first time here,. After spending a lot of time in Bogota. For the past few weeks I have been on Tinder, matching with girls in Medellin and getting numbers. Mostly from girls who are very obvious about looking for "beneficios mutuos".

Any of you have experience and advice about meeting girls in Medellin off of Tinder? I haven't seen much talk on this forum regarding Tinder, except in the context of guys getting scoped. More dangerous than meeting girls on Facebook or from Parque Lleras? If I end up meeting with any during my next few days here, I will write reports. Have fun and stay safe, everyone!

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2997971]Immigration lines are long but usually not that long. I usually wait about one hour. Yes, a lot of old timers whining and complaining about the way it has changed from 10-15 years ago but most of us have not been coming to Medellin so long. We only know the Medellin the way it has been recently. The reason the immigration lines are so long and so many men are coming is that Medellin is still good. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be so many people coming. As for whether most men spending money like crazy, I don't think you can really gauge that. What is your method of calculating how much most men are spending in Medellin? I just spend what I want to spend and I don't worry about what others are spending. No sense worrying about things out of your control.

Yes, I know that there are some who believe that other men are causing the price they pay to rise but Medellin is a big city and there are many available women.[/QUOTE]


First, I see photos/reports weekly about guys waiting 2, 3, 4 hours in line. So, you only waiting one hour is great for you. I go thru the Colombian line and wait 5 minutes, so I'm not bitching about it from my perspective, just wondering if some guys noticed these type of things in the downfall stage of other destinations. Every place has it's Golden Age, and my point/question is whether or not the veterans that know both Medellin and another former glorious location are seeing indications similar to what they witnessed in the past before the prime years ended. For example, I have a buddy who used to fly from USA to Rio de Janeiro for 24 hours. (Club) Help was legendary. My first trip was just after Help closed. I still loved it there. I continue to go back, but it's much further away and I don't speak much Portuguese. I heard about the heyday in Costa Rica or Venezuela or Romania. For me, I can't stand places like Pattaya or Angeles City. I enjoy walking the path before it turns into a highway. What I see now in Medellin is all these influencers that don't know shit about the city or the culture posting as if they do, groups of 8-10 guys going to La Isla and throwing around Monopoly money. Guys coming with sandals, shorts, chains, Rolexes, etc. And being robbed by some ugly chick. I'm just wondering if others with more experience are seeing anything that makes them think this could be headed in the wrong direction with no chance of return. I personally know guys that offer 100 dollars for what I would say is an average chick. My first trips to Colombia, girls couldn't just get a passport and skip town to Madrid or Dubai to make Euros. Girls didn't go on social media and see hundreds of Paisas living the life in other countries or independent peers living in their new apartment they bought with OF money. The expectations are much higher and I feel there has been a power shift towards the favor of the Paisas. Times have changed, times will continue to change, but I want to be on my toes and try to find the next Medellin before Medellin becomes the next San Jose. I could be jaded, I admit that. I was paying 100-150 COP during the pandemic to non-hardcore beautiful fun young chicks. I see them now, and they are 25yo and have been to 5-6 countries, and their prices are ridiculous. They are not the brightest bulbs. A girl with photos in Dubai, London, Madrid, Tulum, and Rio de Janeiro on her profile does not excite me. I know how to do the math and I know what her history likely is. I have been with dozens upon dozens of Paisas for free, so when some Facebook chick says 600k or an "influencer" says 1 million, or a Lleras girl says 400k, I just wonder if the window is closing on the great times. There will still be good times, no doubt. I have buddies here with 2-3 girls going in and out every day, and they are loving their lives. However, they are new here. I get it. I also have some older buddies with local normal girlfriends; they are happy. I guess I am more prone to staying on the hunt and not being stagnant. So, if some of the ol' bucks can weigh-in, that would be appreciated.



[QUOTE=Manizales911;2998072]Name one mongering location in the entire world that is the same as 5-15 years ago. News flash, there isn't one.[/QUOTE]

You are correct, but that is not my point.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2998311]First, I see photos/reports weekly about guys waiting 2, 3, 4 hours in line. So, you only waiting one hour is great for you. I go thru the Colombian line and wait 5 minutes, so I'm not bitching about it from my perspective, just wondering if some guys noticed these type of things in the downfall stage of other destinations. Every place has it's Golden Age, and my point/question is whether or not the veterans that know both Medellin and another former glorious location are seeing indications similar to what they witnessed in the past before the prime years ended. For example, I have a buddy who used to fly from USA to Rio de Janeiro for 24 hours. (Club) Help was legendary. My first trip was just after Help closed. I still loved it there. I continue to go back, but it's much further away and I don't speak much Portuguese. I heard about the heyday in Costa Rica or Venezuela or Romania. For me, I can't stand places like Pattaya or Angeles City. I enjoy walking the path before it turns into a highway. What I see now in Medellin is all these influencers that don't know shit about the city or the culture posting as if they do, groups of 8-10 guys going to La Isla and throwing around Monopoly money. Guys coming with sandals, shorts, chains, Rolexes, etc. And being robbed by some ugly chick. .[/QUOTE]I think the overall trend is that Medellin is going in the wrong direction. Too many weekend warriors coming in and ruining it. That being said, if you go outside of the main tourist places where the gringos and passport Bros are afraid to go then I think good value can still be found.

You have to go into the barrios like Santo Domingo popular and bello to find down to earth paisa chicas. You have to speak Spanish and know the local lingo. You have to incorporate yourself into the Colombian culture and basically become a local then you will find the value.

But if you are just going to el Poblado then you will find the rip off artists that are targeting the gringo tourists. Centro may still have cheap sex but mostly Venecas not Paisas and I don't think it's as good as it used to be.

There's seems to be two parallel markets evolving in medallo, one geared toward the weekend warriors and one geared toward the locals. You will just have to know in which pond to go fishing to find what you're looking for, you don't go to Cancun to catch your king salmon.

Gabacho.

Will be heading down there next month. I have seen pictures and accounts of long lines at immigration at MDE airport.

I was in a long line earlier this year. More than two hours in the snake.

Does anyone have any information about the "preferred" line that runs along the left wall.

I have heard that it is for people with disabilities and senior citizens.

How old do you have to be to qualify as a senior citizen?

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2997971]Immigration lines are long but usually not that long. I usually wait about one hour. Yes, a lot of old timers whining and complaining about the way it has changed from 10-15 years ago but most of us have not been coming to Medellin so long. We only know the Medellin the way it has been recently. The reason the immigration lines are so long and so many men are coming is that Medellin is still good. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be so many people coming. As for whether most men spending money like crazy, I don't think you can really gauge that. What is your method of calculating how much most men are spending in Medellin? I just spend what I want to spend and I don't worry about what others are spending. No sense worrying about things out of your control.

Yes, I know that there are some who believe that other men are causing the price they pay to rise but Medellin is a big city and there are many available women.[/QUOTE]Let the Gringos stay in Poblado, Provenza, Parque Lleras and roam Calle 10. Leave them there. Most are too scared to go anywhere outside of their "Bubble" and that's great.

I'm currently in Medellin for a few days, staying at the Nutibara Hotel in El Centro, and quite frankly, even though the place is a bit dangerous, if you're careful you'll never have any problems. It's true that there are mainly Venezuelan women working, but there are many who are very young and very pretty, between 18 and 22 years old. My favorites.

You can fuck them for 50 000 pesos, and 100 000 pesos bareback! If you treat them good, you'll never have any problems. Everyday I fuck 2 girls, 1 during the day and one 1 I bring the evening in my hotel.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2998313]I think the overall trend is that Medellin is going in the wrong direction. Too many weekend warriors coming in and ruining it. That being said, if you go outside of the main tourist places where the gringos and passport Bros are afraid to go then I think good value can still be found.

You have to go into the barrios like Santo Domingo popular and bello to find down to earth paisa chicas. You have to speak Spanish and know the local lingo. You have to incorporate yourself into the Colombian culture and basically become a local then you will find the value.

But if you are just going to el Poblado then you will find the rip off artists that are targeting the gringo tourists. Centro may still have cheap sex but mostly Venecas not Paisas and I don't think it's as good as it used to be.

There's seems to be two parallel markets evolving in medallo, one geared toward the weekend warriors and one geared toward the locals. You will just have to know in which pond to go fishing to find what you're looking for, you don't go to Cancun to catch your king salmon.

Gabacho.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;2998337]Will be heading down there next month. I have seen pictures and accounts of long lines at immigration at MDE airport.

I was in a long line earlier this year. More than two hours in the snake.

Does anyone have any information about the "preferred" line that runs along the left wall.

I have heard that it is for people with disabilities and senior citizens.

How old do you have to be to qualify as a senior citizen?[/QUOTE]I can't speak from experience but 60+ is considered a senior citizen in Colombia.

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;2998337]Will be heading down there next month. I have seen pictures and accounts of long lines at immigration at MDE airport.

I was in a long line earlier this year. More than two hours in the snake.

Does anyone have any information about the "preferred" line that runs along the left wall.

I have heard that it is for people with disabilities and senior citizens.

How old do you have to be to qualify as a senior citizen?[/QUOTE]You have to be 65, I asked.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2997837]I would like to check out a swinger club as I have never been to one. I am not interested in participating but can bring a partner along with if needed.
Does anyone have any recs for a decent, busy swinger place that provides a relaxed atmosphere for just viewing the activities? La Piscina, may be?[/QUOTE]There are a number of swinger clubs near Laureles. The biggest one is Lujuria Swinger Club, and another popular one is Club LifeStyle Swinger. There are others as well. You will find that the biggest crowds are on Friday and Saturday nights (especially Saturday), but those are typically couples-only nights. Therefore, you will want to bring a girl (which I recommend anyways). All the clubs also have nights for single guys, known as "gang bang nights," where they hire a couple of girls and single guys pay to participate. These nights are usually on slower nights and vary by club. However, from a "viewing" perspective, I find that Colombia swinger clubs are more laid-back and have less hardcore action compared to European or American swinger clubs. So, your viewing experience may vary.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;2998300]I just arrived in Medellin, my first time here,. After spending a lot of time in Bogota. For the past few weeks I have been on Tinder, matching with girls in Medellin and getting numbers. Mostly from girls who are very obvious about looking for "beneficios mutuos".

Any of you have experience and advice about meeting girls in Medellin off of Tinder? I haven't seen much talk on this forum regarding Tinder, except in the context of guys getting scoped. More dangerous than meeting girls on Facebook or from Parque Lleras? If I end up meeting with any during my next few days here, I will write reports. Have fun and stay safe, everyone![/QUOTE]Yes, I would say that most of the women I meet in Medellin are off of Tinder. It's worth the investment as is a senior membership is here (hint).

When you browse the profiles look out for any references to Instagram where there will be better quality photos. If they have an Instagram with many followers then you know they are for real.

It works for me. Also. Do not contact more than a week in advance before you arrive. When you say you are coming in a week it sounds like you are serious and not just bullshitting.

If it's an Instagram girl, tell her you will bring a "surprise " that will keep them interested. You can get cheap lip glosses and whatnot from Victoria's Secret or someplace like that.

Goodluck.

Sounds great, actually! Where in your experience are the best spots to pick up hot working girls in El Centro? I might check it out later today.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2998345]I'm currently in Medellin for a few days, staying at the Nutibara Hotel in El Centro, and quite frankly, even though the place is a bit dangerous, if you're careful you'll never have any problems. It's true that there are mainly Venezuelan women working, but there are many who are very young and very pretty, between 18 and 22 years old. My favorites.

You can fuck them for 50 000 pesos, and 100 000 pesos bareback! If you treat them good, you'll never have any problems. Everyday I fuck 2 girls, 1 during the day and one 1 I bring the evening in my hotel.[/QUOTE]

Great input, thank you!

I am meeting up with one girl from Tinder tonight, waiting for her to arrive at my hotel (Hotel Ofix) in Laureles. Will write up how it goes.

I have wanted to sign up for a membership actually, since I would like to connect with others here in Colombia, but I don't have Bitcoin, so the idea of learning how to setup and buy and pay with Bitcoin, rather than just using a credit card or PayPal has had me putting it off.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2998389]Yes, I would say that most of the women I meet in Medellin are off of Tinder. It's worth the investment as is a senior membership is here (hint).

When you browse the profiles look out for any references to Instagram where there will be better quality photos. If they have an Instagram with many followers then you know they are for real.

It works for me. Also. Do not contact more than a week in advance before you arrive. When you say you are coming in a week it sounds like you are serious and not just bullshitting.

If it's an Instagram girl, tell her you will bring a "surprise " that will keep them interested. You can get cheap lip glosses and whatnot from Victoria's Secret or someplace like that.

Goodluck.[/QUOTE]

62 is the minimum age for the Metro senior citizen fare. I'm guessing it doesn't cost the Metro much because there can't be many people that age who could survive the rush hour crush.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2998354]I can't speak from experience but 60+ is considered a senior citizen in Colombia.[/QUOTE]

I've seen the long lines on the4 TV news and on facebook. I think it's a bad combination of fewer agents working Easter week and many more travelers coming here for the holiday. Hopefully it will calm down beginning today.

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;2998337]Will be heading down there next month. I have seen pictures and accounts of long lines at immigration at MDE airport.

I was in a long line earlier this year. More than two hours in the snake.

Does anyone have any information about the "preferred" line that runs along the left wall.

I have heard that it is for people with disabilities and senior citizens.

How old do you have to be to qualify as a senior citizen?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2998311]First, I see photos/reports weekly about guys waiting 2, 3, 4 hours in line. So, you only waiting one hour is great for you. I go thru the Colombian line and wait 5 minutes, so I'm not bitching about it from my perspective, just wondering if some guys noticed these type of things in the downfall stage of other destinations. Every place has it's Golden Age, and my point/question is whether or not the veterans that know both Medellin and another former glorious location are seeing indications similar to what they witnessed in the past before the prime years ended. For example, I have a buddy who used to fly from USA to Rio de Janeiro for 24 hours. (Club) Help was legendary. My first trip was just after Help closed. I still loved it there. I continue to go back, but it's much further away and I don't speak much Portuguese. I heard about the heyday in Costa Rica or Venezuela or Romania. For me, I can't stand places like Pattaya or Angeles City. I enjoy walking the path before it turns into a highway. What I see now in Medellin is all these influencers that don't know shit about the city or the culture posting as if they do, groups of 8-10 guys going to La Isla and throwing around Monopoly money. Guys coming with sandals, shorts, chains, Rolexes, etc. And being robbed by some ugly chick. I'm just wondering if others with more experience are seeing anything that makes them think this could be headed in the wrong direction with no chance of return. I personally know guys that offer 100 dollars for what I would say is an average chick. My first trips to Colombia, girls couldn't just get a passport and skip town to Madrid or Dubai to make Euros. Girls didn't go on social media and see hundreds of Paisas living the life in other countries or independent peers living in their new apartment they bought with OF money. The expectations are much higher and I feel there has been a power shift towards the favor of the Paisas. Times have changed, times will continue to change, but I want to be on my toes and try to find the next Medellin before Medellin becomes the next San Jose. I could be jaded, I admit that. I was paying 100-150 COP during the pandemic to non-hardcore beautiful fun young chicks. I see them now, and they are 25yo and have been to 5-6 countries, and their prices are ridiculous. They are not the brightest bulbs. A girl with photos in Dubai, London, Madrid, Tulum, and Rio de Janeiro on her profile does not excite me. I know how to do the math and I know what her history likely is. I have been with dozens upon dozens of Paisas for free, so when some Facebook chick says 600k or an "influencer" says 1 million, or a Lleras girl says 400k, I just wonder if the window is closing on the great times. There will still be good times, no doubt. I have buddies here with 2-3 girls going in and out every day, and they are loving their lives. However, they are new here. I get it. I also have some older buddies with local normal girlfriends; they are happy. I guess I am more prone to staying on the hunt and not being stagnant. So, if some of the ol' bucks can weigh-in, that would be appreciated.


You are correct, but that is not my point.[/QUOTE]Yes, this is also my experience having been going to Medellin / BGT for years. I think it's hit the 'mainstream' which is making the supply / demand curves fluctuate in a way that is bad for old timers. The issue is, if you're unable to speak to the locals properly you'll get priced out or the quality drops. Or even worse, as you say the paisa's get very confident with their prices and it's bad for everyone (including them, as they're not always at capacity either). I wonder what the next "glorius location" will be.

[QUOTE=OldParr;2998405]Big trick Kevi. I am going to educate you. These girls do not care about your surprises. These girls are hookers, and all they care about is getting paid. If you want to live in a fantasy world of thinking buying surprises is going to get you better service knock yourself out. [/QUOTE]Like the hooker in Rio who had shit from George Foreman grills and you name it piled up in a corner of her living room saying I do not know why guys bring me all this shit. The purpose of paying a person with money is so they can get what they need. They do not need what you think they should have. If you want to do that shit then get an actual girlfriend. After all that surpise hoopla, probably think you are getting her a car and here you are showing up with a $1 tube of lipstick looking ridiculous. You guys are funny.

What's up everyone! Hope to meet some of you during my trip May 3rd through May 10th. I'll be staying at Haven Hotel. I'm already busy trying to make contacts with Chicas on Seeking, FB, and Bumble. Yes, I am aware of the risks with these girls, and I am actually quite nervous about it. I may just stick to Casas and paid escort sites at the end of the day.

But I wanted to run some ideas past this group to get your feedback. Ideally, it would be great if I trusted that I could drink, eat, and relax with some hot Colombian women todos LOS noches, and not have a care in the world. But sadly, for a newbie, with bad Spanish, and a Gringo, I know that's not the case. That is a recipe to get drugged and robbed.

So, my thought is that I will stick to one hour dates in my hotel. Girls need ID to enter. I will not drink or eat anything around them. Wouldn't this be a decent enough strategy to stay safe.

I know these girls doing the druggings are experts, and they can make the guy feel comfortable and let his guard down. That is my only concern. So I might have to have a rule that I don't see a girl more than once, or I don't allow any woman over for more than one hour. What do you all think?

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;2998439]Great input, thank you!

I am meeting up with one girl from Tinder tonight, waiting for her to arrive at my hotel (Hotel Ofix) in Laureles. Will write up how it goes.

I have wanted to sign up for a membership actually, since I would like to connect with others here in Colombia, but I don't have Bitcoin, so the idea of learning how to setup and buy and pay with Bitcoin, rather than just using a credit card or PayPal has had me putting it off.[/QUOTE]Hey, how did it go? Did you stay safe? I'm also using Bumble and Seeking which are also risky. My plan is to do one hour dates, and not drink or eat anything with the girls. Sure, it sucks that it can't be a relaxed all night or all weekend get together, but those are the times we live in. How long are you in Medellin? I'll be there May 3rd through May 10th.

[QUOTE=OldParr;2998405]Big trick Kevi. I am going to educate you. These girls do not care about your surprises. These girls are hookers, and all they care about is getting paid. If you want to live in a fantasy world of thinking buying surprises is going to get you better service knock yourself out. Also I am going to educate you on the attention span of these girls. Whatever you tell them they are not going to remember 2 minutes after you tell them /.[/QUOTE]You can learn from anyone. I will listen to whatever you have to say on the matter. I don't use that word "hookers" as liberally as you. There's a difference between the girl who works in Lleras or El Centro than someone who has followers on Instagram or even Tinder in some instances.

It takes a lot of guts to sell yourself to strangers in a public place. Those gals are the types that I don't normally see for that reason. I get your point but some of these girls are too "professional" for my liking. Also, there are girls on Tinder who are not P4 P.

I don't want to put in the work to try to get something for free on a one week visit. It's a waste of time.

[QUOTE=OldParr;2998405]Big trick Kevi. I am going to educate you. These girls do not care about your surprises. These girls are hookers, and all they care about is getting paid. If you want to live in a fantasy world of thinking buying surprises is going to get you better service knock yourself out. Also I am going to educate you on the attention span of these girls. Whatever you tell them they are not going to remember 2 minutes after you tell them /.[/QUOTE]I think your assertions are too broad. Maybe I should educate you a bit. Ja ja ja. Not all girls are the same. I have had a number of girls who ask me for a small gift from my home country and when I give it to them, they seem very happy. Months later, they would mention that gift and how much they like it. I have had a girl mention a gift that I gave her a year ago when I had forgotten that I had given her a gift. It was a small teddy bear and she said she sleeps with it every night. People like getting gifts and they appreciate the effort. Does it result in better performance? That's not my intent but yes, the performances have been good. I don't mind giving small gifts to young attractive girls who provide solid performances. It's not a lot for me but it can mean a lot for the girls because they don't get gifts from guys too often.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2998559]You can learn from anyone. I will listen to whatever you have to say on the matter. I don't use that word "hookers" as liberally as you. There's a difference between the girl who works in Lleras or El Centro than someone who has followers on Instagram or even Tinder in some instances.

It takes a lot of guts to sell yourself to strangers in a public place. Those gals are the types that I don't normally see for that reason. I get your point but some of these girls are too "professional" for my liking. Also, there are girls on Tinder who are not P4 P.

I don't want to put in the work to try to get something for free on a one week visit. It's a waste of time.[/QUOTE]I just posted something to that effect. The girls in Medellin are not all the same. Same are hardened pros, some are just starting out. Some are high volume, some are low volume, some are just looking for one or two sugar daddies. It is wrong to think that they are all the same and they all think and act the same way. That is never the case with girls in any country.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;2998072]Name one mongering location in the entire world that is the same as 5-15 years ago. News flash, there isn't one.[/QUOTE]I was just at a concert in Medellin. I actually liked the city so much more when I did not have to partake going into the hooker world.

At this concert, there were literally thousands of beautiful women and most were dressed very suggestively. So Medellin is terrible for women now? LOL. Uh, sure.

My gal's daughter brought a friend to the concert. She wants to be an engineer, and she is cute and very nice, but I will say she has the engineering personality down, so I was surprised at the end of the trip when she gave me a sweet hug and a kiss and told me, "Thank you, Mr. Elvis, this concert really meant a lot to me. " I could say that I have never had an American youngster seem as appreciative, and I have not, but maybe the ticket costs are in relative terms way more expensive. Whatever the case, even her mother sent me a nice text saying, "Thank you, Tio Elvis. ". That was nice to hear the mother being that trusting of me.

That is the world I am in when I go to Colombia. The people are sweet and considerate, and I do not understand why guys want to hang around the tattooed, materialistic, druggie hookers. I just do not get it. My sixty six year old average looking friend was being come onto by one of my gal's friends less than half his age, and she was a stunning professional. If you hang around with ghetto scum, is it really a shock when all these bad things happen?

Women in professions that would never look at you in the USA will in Colombia because whatever your assets or income is in the USA, multiply it by 10, and that is what you are worth in Colombia. Doctors, dentists, lawyers ETC want to go out with American men and from what I have seen it does not take long to get them into bed.

It is funny how guys are saying how the best Colombian women are going to Europe and Dubai ETC to make more money, and I am sure there are women doing that, but there are way more Colombian women who I think really are the best ones that would rather die than do that.

There are great women to be found all over Colombia, guys. Maybe the hooker sites are dying, but the best women were not hanging out in those places anyway. If guys just widened their search area a little bit, I think they could easily find gold.

Hey I'm coming out from May 3rd to May 10th. Staying at Hotel Haven. Anyone want to grab a drink?

I'm from the Bay Area and I can find co-eds for the the same price that girls in Medellin are charging. And I mean, smoking find as fuck girls. It's kinda similar to the guys who post about finding their rotations that work for them. A lot goes into it. Connection, attraction, all of that. But it's crazy to think, I can stay here in the Bay Area, literally one of the most expensive places in the country, and stack a line up similar to what these girls are offering in Medellin.

Fellas, Was planning to head out to Medellin in August. Was wondering if it would make sense to go the week of the flower festival or make sure to avoid that time? Thanks.

Speaking only for myself, I'm not feeling anxious to move somewhere else. That said, I enjoy traveling from time to time to keep things fresh.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2998628]I was just at a concert in Medellin. I actually liked the city so much more when I did not have to partake going into the hooker world.

At this concert, there were literally thousands of beautiful women and most were dressed very suggestively. So Medellin is terrible for women now? LOL. Uh, sure.

My gal's daughter brought a friend to the concert. She wants to be an engineer, and she is cute and very nice, but I will say she has the engineering personality down, so I was surprised at the end of the trip when she gave me a sweet hug and a kiss and told me, "Thank you, Mr. Elvis, this concert really meant a lot to me. " I could say that I have never had an American youngster seem as appreciative, and I have not, but maybe the ticket costs are in relative terms way more expensive. Whatever the case, even her mother sent me a nice text saying, "Thank you, Tio Elvis. ". That was nice to hear the mother being that trusting of me.

That is the world I am in when I go to Colombia. The people are sweet and considerate, and I do not understand why guys want to hang around the tattooed, materialistic, druggie hookers. I just do not get it. My sixty six year old average looking friend was being come onto by one of my gal's friends less than half his age, and she was a stunning professional. If you hang around with ghetto scum, is it really a shock when all these bad things happen?.[/QUOTE]

Hey Mike I am in Medellin now for a few weeks I'm in go living suites across from Santa Fe. I have been coming for 20 years now. I have about 10 regulars and 1 main girl I usually hit up and I never really have any safety issues with girls. I don't drink or clubs I usually hang with girls try new restaurants soccer matches, super bowling or whatever fun stuff they know of locally. I am down to hang out. Maybe you want to bond with a girl and do some bowling with me and my girl or paint ball LOL. I'm 51 but very active. I'm always down to hang with a newbie as long as you are not a big drinker or into drugs.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2998658]Hey I'm coming out from May 3rd to May 10th. Staying at Hotel Haven. Anyone want to grab a drink?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2998667]I'm from the Bay Area and I can find co-eds for the the same price that girls in Medellin are charging. And I mean, smoking find as fuck girls. It's kinda similar to the guys who post about finding their rotations that work for them. A lot goes into it. Connection, attraction, all of that. But it's crazy to think, I can stay here in the Bay Area, literally one of the most expensive places in the country, and stack a line up similar to what these girls are offering in Medellin.[/QUOTE]When one adds the price of airfare, confusion at the airport, hotel expenses, and missed income from being away from work, it gets attractive just to stay at home and watch pornography and play with old willy oneself. There are a few websites to find the same girls, seeking, sdm, etc. But we cannot post URLs.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2998573]I just posted something to that effect. The girls in Medellin are not all the same. Same are hardened pros, some are just starting out. Some are high volume, some are low volume, some are just looking for one or two sugar daddies. It is wrong to think that they are all the same and they all think and act the same way. That is never the case with girls in any country.[/QUOTE]This is accurate they are not all the same. And their is such a thing as a semi pro, I know several.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2998571]I think your assertions are too broad. Maybe I should educate you a bit. Ja ja ja. Not all girls are the same. I have had a number of girls who ask me for a small gift from my home country and when I give it to them, they seem very happy. Months later, they would mention that gift and how much they like it. I have had a girl mention a gift that I gave her a year ago when I had forgotten that I had given her a gift. It was a small teddy bear and she said she sleeps with it every night. People like getting gifts and they appreciate the effort. Does it result in better performance? That's not my intent but yes, the performances have been good. I don't mind giving small gifts to young attractive girls who provide solid performances. It's not a lot for me but it can mean a lot for the girls because they don't get gifts from guys too often.[/QUOTE]I load up on VS $5 panties when they are on sale. They are a big hit. When a girl is getting ready to leave I break out the regalo and it leads to a 15 minute photo shoot with the new panties for my memory book. Many of my girls ask me if I am bringing gifts when I tell them I am coming. I also buy the cheap VS body sprays on sale and they love those. I have them put it on before sex.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2998628]
At this concert, there were literally thousands of beautiful women and most were dressed very suggestively.
[/QUOTE]I agree but I think they dressed more like going to Woodstock from what I saw in Parque Norte. My guess is that they are not obtainable by most on this board. LOL.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2998667]I'm from the Bay Area and I can find co-eds for the the same price that girls in Medellin are charging. And I mean, smoking find as fuck girls. It's kinda similar to the guys who post about finding their rotations that work for them. A lot goes into it. Connection, attraction, all of that. But it's crazy to think, I can stay here in the Bay Area, literally one of the most expensive places in the country, and stack a line up similar to what these girls are offering in Medellin.[/QUOTE]I find this hard to believe. Usually escorts in the Bay Area are charging $400 per hour for GFE and I have never had a girl ask for that much in Medellin. But there are so many variable in your post that it is possible.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2998311]First, I see photos/reports weekly about guys waiting 2, 3, 4 hours in line. So, you only waiting one hour is great for you. I go thru the Colombian line and wait 5 minutes, so I'm not bitching about it from my perspective, just wondering if some guys noticed these type of things in the downfall stage of other destinations. [/QUOTE]It is reasonable to think timing matters so context is important. The wait time will be short for the first in line, it will be long for the last one when you have 1000 arriving at the same time. I always fly thru Bogota with about 1 hour connection time. Have not missed a flight yet.

The ones with patience will be rewarded. It takes more time to find reasonable value. As others have reported that you can get girls from Lleras for Facebook price. Some of the more savvy ones will set a date at 7 PM, then they go to Lleras to work after the date. Some Facebook girls also work at Lleras, and they do the same thing. They will be in better negotiating position because they have already made enough for the day. This is the happy hour discount.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2998628]...... I do not understand why guys want to hang around the tattooed, materialistic, druggie hookers......[/QUOTE]Not all of them are tattooed or drugged up. You are banging non-materialistic girls? Very well done sir!

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2998753]I find this hard to believe. Usually escorts in the Bay Area are charging $400 per hour for GFE and I have never had a girl ask for that much in Medellin. But there are so many variable in your post that it is possible.[/QUOTE]No, you are right. It's not quite the same. The comparison I was making is that being local I'm able to establish connections like the guys in Medellin who have hotties for 200 k. I've established relationships with some young hotties who do 200 per hour no limitations. But yes, still more than most girls in Colombia, but I'm getting a lot of girls in Medellin quoting $200 or more. I had one that wanted $500 for the hour and she wanted me to take her out to dinner first.

[QUOTE=Skeif;2998726]Hey Mike I am in Medellin now for a few weeks I'm in go living suites across from Santa Fe. I have been coming for 20 years now. I have about 10 regulars and 1 main girl I usually hit up and I never really have any safety issues with girls. I don't drink or clubs I usually hang with girls try new restaurants soccer matches, super bowling or whatever fun stuff they know of locally. I am down to hang out. Maybe you want to bond with a girl and do some bowling with me and my girl or paint ball LOL. I'm 51 but very active. I'm always down to hang with a newbie as long as you are not a big drinker or into drugs.[/QUOTE]That sounds great man! Yes, lets do this. I don't have direct messages so let me know how to coordinate. And no, I'm not a big drinker and don't plan to go to clubs. Sounds like you have a great life here when you visit! 10 girls and one main girl! Wow!

LOL I'm always switching out girls to find new ones. They always drop off for one reason or another. Yeah I'm not sure how to do it I guess putting contact info gets you banned.

That sounds great man! Yes, lets do this. I don't have direct messages so let me know how to coordinate. And no, I'm not a big drinker and don't plan to go to clubs. Sounds like you have a great life here when you visit! 10 girls and one main girl! Wow!

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[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2998747]I load up on VS $5 panties when they are on sale...Many of my girls ask me if I am bringing gifts when I tell them I am coming. [/QUOTE]Panties and women come in many sizes, colors and styles. Women always want to select their own clothes, underwear especially. Unless you have a suitcase full of women's underwear when you arrive, you are bound to lose, and immigration inspection will Wonder about you if they open your suitcases.

Just take them shopping in their own poverty country, it will be much cheaper than buying back home, and they can select what they like.

Perfume and spray are better gifts, get cheap packets of 4-5 variety sprays from the Dollar store or a drug store.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2998747]I load up on VS $5 panties when they are on sale. They are a big hit. When a girl is getting ready to leave I break out the regalo and it leads to a 15 minute photo shoot with the new panties for my memory book. Many of my girls ask me if I am bringing gifts when I tell them I am coming. I also buy the cheap VS body sprays on sale and they love those. I have them put it on before sex.[/QUOTE]I do something similar and and I video and photo sessions. It leads to to a fun experience.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2998830]I have a stable of facebook girls in mde that I pay an average of 250 k colones for a relaxing 2 HR. Or more BBFS, GFE, date, in my hotel room. 250 k colones = approx. $60 us dollars. So please tell me where I can get that kind of action in the bay area for that price & that kind of service. Just what I thought, you can't tell me, because you can't get that in the bay area for $60 usd.[/QUOTE]You pay chicas in Colombia with Costa Rican colones? Mira vos, is all I can say.

If you are able to get young attractive girls in the Bay Area for $200 US and get GFE services, that is a great price and a bargain. It is funny in Medellin that the exact same thing is considered outrageous. Girls who ask for as much as they think they can get but that does not mean they would not accept less. It depends on the circumstances. If she is a nightclub girl and it's late and you may be her last chance, the price she will accept will be different then if it's early and she's just starting. As others have noted, with time and experience, you should be able to find young, attractive girls for a much lower price here. I have never paid $200 US here or even $100 US here but that doesn't mean that girls have not asked me for that. Asking and getting are two different things. It's been a few years now since my first trip, but I do laugh at all the mistakes I made when I first came here. It's par for the course, but you will learn a lot on your first trip and the second trip will be better. It is very rare for your first trip to be great. Or you might think it's great until your next trip. Live and learn, that is part of life.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2998667]I'm from the Bay Area and I can find co-eds for the the same price that girls in Medellin are charging. And I mean, smoking find as fuck girls. It's kinda similar to the guys who post about finding their rotations that work for them. A lot goes into it. Connection, attraction, all of that. But it's crazy to think, I can stay here in the Bay Area, literally one of the most expensive places in the country, and stack a line up similar to what these girls are offering in Medellin.[/QUOTE]If you are talking a hooker rotation, sure, that is possible. With what some women are charging the weekend warriors, prices in Medellin seem to be comparable to what one can get in the SF area massage parlors, and I am not sure Medellin beats the bay with looks and performance. Thing is the guys who have been in Medellin a while are not paying the prices the weekend warriors are.

When the word rotation is mentioned, I thought of sugar baby types, and with that, there is no comparison. A sugar bay in Medellin would cost 10% or less of what a comparable one in California would be, but it was not so much the looks and performance that were the difference between the two countries. I found Colombian women liked sex more, were nicer, and were not the fuckups the American women were. With every sugar baby in the USA I had, there was some kind of character issue like drugs or booze or not holding down a job.

I had one American sugar baby tell me when she was in high school she was the only cheerleader the guys could toss around because all the other cheerleaders weighed over 160 lbs. In comparison, I have been getting to know the friends of my gal's daughter, and I think I could go to the top prep school in the USA and not find young women like I see with her. They are all fit, attractive, sweet, respectful, and doing like physics and calculus at 15, and we are in Cartagena. The daughter is like, "Elvis, Bogota is way harder. Cartagena is easy. " I was like if you say so.

The college entrance exam in Colombia, their SAT or ACT, is not four hours long but nine. Colombia is a hard country in which to find good work, so the kids are driven like mad, and all these women will be legal and on the market in 2 years.

Thing is in the USA, when even a young woman says something like, "I feel like I am not being treated well" the whole world is supposed to come to a stop. Man, I have seen my gal and the other mothers kick their daughters asses when they are out of line. They do not play. And it is not just me, but the respect for men is huge. At dinner, the women always serve the men first, and I am sure there are women that complain about their husbands publicly, but I have not heard it. It sure is not like in the USA where women complaining about men is like a national past time. My sister in law said, "I watch Oprah so I can tell your brother all the things he is doing wrong. " Really?

Outside of the cheap prices in Centro in Medellin and Santa Fe in Bogota, I really did not think there was anything that great about the hooker market in Colombia. Paraguay and Brazil are much better, and Argentina was better. It might not be now. The influx of Venezuelans into Colombia was like a pussy tsunami but that has slowed from a gusher to a trickle. When you step out of the hooker market and meet the so called "regular women", that is where IMO Colombia shines.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2998854]Panties and women come in many sizes, colors and styles. Women always want to select their own clothes, underwear especially.[/QUOTE]I used to bring panties for the ladies. Always Victoria Secret, black, white, red and pink. Also size small. I would sometimes have a few medium size, but if she was a medium size, she had to be spectacular to get a gift. Thongs and other skimpy ones were their favorites.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2998854]Just take them shopping in their own poverty country, it will be much cheaper than buying back home, and they can select what they like.[/QUOTE]But they won't have the VS label. That's important.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2998890]If you are talking a hooker rotation, sure, that is possible. With what some women are charging the weekend warriors, prices in Medellin seem to be comparable to what one can get in the SF area massage parlors, and I am not sure Medellin beats the bay with looks and performance. Thing is the guys who have been in Medellin a while are not paying the prices the weekend warriors are.

When the word rotation is mentioned, I thought of sugar baby types, and with that, there is no comparison. A sugar bay in Medellin would cost 10% or less of what a comparable one in California would be, but it was not so much the looks and performance that were the difference between the two countries. I found Colombian women liked sex more, were nicer, and were not the fuckups the American women were. With every sugar baby in the USA I had, there was some kind of character issue like drugs or booze or not holding down a job.

I had one American sugar baby tell me when she was in high school she was the only cheerleader the guys could toss around because all the other cheerleaders weighed over 160 lbs. In comparison, I have been getting to know the friends of my gal's daughter, and I think I could go to the top prep school in the USA and not find young women like I see with her. They are all fit, attractive, sweet, respectful, and doing like physics and calculus at 15, and we are in Cartagena. The daughter is like, "Elvis, Bogota is way harder. Cartagena is easy. " I was like if you say so...[/QUOTE]It's not common to get $200 for GFE services with a sugar baby in the Bay Area, but it can be done over time, if they are local to you, and you have a good connection. I'm finding the prices every woman I talk with so far in Colombia are not that far off when discussing Seeking, Tinder, Facebook. All seem to want at least 500 k. I know I'm knew here and don't have the experience and I understand that those with experience will have far more options at better rates.

Is the hooker market really that bad here in Medellin? Is the service generally poor? Looking at the milierotics site a lot of these women look smoking! I just wish BBFS was an option. That seems much harder to come by in Medellin. But again, I know others are having no problem with it.

As for FB, it seems like a dead end at this point. I either have the wrong list of girls, or the wrong approach, or both. I'm more into thin coed types, and most of the FB girls seem to be of the curvy variety, and unresponsive for the most part.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2998890]If you are talking a hooker rotation, sure, that is possible. With what some women are charging the weekend warriors, prices in Medellin seem to be comparable to what one can get in the SF area massage parlors, and I am not sure Medellin beats the bay with looks and performance. Thing is the guys who have been in Medellin a while are not paying the prices the weekend warriors are.

When the word rotation is mentioned, I thought of sugar baby types, and with that, there is no comparison. A sugar bay in Medellin would cost 10% or less of what a comparable one in California would be, but it was not so much the looks and performance that were the difference between the two countries. I found Colombian women liked sex more, were nicer, and were not the fuckups the American women were. With every sugar baby in the USA I had, there was some kind of character issue like drugs or booze or not holding down a job..[/QUOTE]Honestly, I know what you mean about "regular" Colombian women. My recent girlfriend in the US was Colombian and she is the reason why I'm now visiting. There were aspects and things about her that I fell in love with (we may even get back together) that you just don't find in American women. But finding these types of sugar baby's in Colombia seems hard. So far all the girls on Seeking don't seem to have that down to earth vibe. Even the younger ones seem spoiled and hardened to some degree. Where do you find these down to earth women as SugarBabys? Yes, this is my first trip, so I know I'm behind the game. But I would like to be paying 250-300 k as recommended on this board to help the community keep prices reasonable while also having a great time. Any tips are appreciated.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2998870]If you are able to get young attractive girls in the Bay Area for $200 US and get GFE services, that is a great price and a bargain. It is funny in Medellin that the exact same thing is considered outrageous. Girls who ask for as much as they think they can get but that does not mean they would not accept less. It depends on the circumstances. If she is a nightclub girl and it's late and you may be her last chance, the price she will accept will be different then if it's early and she's just starting. As others have noted, with time and experience, you should be able to find young, attractive girls for a much lower price here. I have never paid $200 US here or even $100 US here but that doesn't mean that girls have not asked me for that. Asking and getting are two different things. It's been a few years now since my first trip, but I do laugh at all the mistakes I made when I first came here. It's par for the course, but you will learn a lot on your first trip and the second trip will be better. It is very rare for your first trip to be great. Or you might think it's great until your next trip. Live and learn, that is part of life.[/QUOTE]Yes, this is true. It's not normal. Only after having been on Seeking for awhile and finding those connections. I've also had a handful of occasions from seeking in which I end up dating the woman without any charge. But yes, most of the girls on there want at least $500. But the economic strain in the USA is noticeable. The women are accepting less these days than last year. And if they are local to you and there is an attraction, $200 is possible for an ongoing thing (but not common for sure). But like the guys in Medellin with experience, you build a roster of sorts with great options.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2998830]I have a stable of facebook girls in mde that I pay an average of 250 k colones for a relaxing 2 HR. Or more BBFS, GFE, date, in my hotel room. 250 k colones = approx. $60 us dollars. So please tell me where I can get that kind of action in the bay area for that price & that kind of service. Just what I thought, you can't tell me, because you can't get that in the bay area for $60 usd.[/QUOTE]You're correct. Can not get this in the Bay Area. I'm new to Medellin and just commenting on the types of quotes I'm getting from women which are still lower than the US on average, by approximately half. I have had no luck on FB. I'm going to start sticking to the 250-300 k offers. I think partly the reason the quotes are so high is they know I'm a foreigner who is not in Medellin yet. I expect that when I arrive and am ready to meet on that day or the day after, they will accept lower offers because it's tangible.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2998313]I think the overall trend is that Medellin is going in the wrong direction. Too many weekend warriors coming in and ruining it. That being said, if you go outside of the main tourist places where the gringos and passport Bros are afraid to go then I think good value can still be found.

You have to go into the barrios like Santo Domingo popular and bello to find down to earth paisa chicas. You have to speak Spanish and know the local lingo. You have to incorporate yourself into the Colombian culture and basically become a local then you will find the value.

But if you are just going to el Poblado then you will find the rip off artists that are targeting the gringo tourists. Centro may still have cheap sex but mostly Venecas not Paisas and I don't think it's as good as it used to be.

There's seems to be two parallel markets evolving in medallo, one geared toward the weekend warriors and one geared toward the locals. You will just have to know in which pond to go fishing to find what you're looking for, you don't go to Cancun to catch your king salmon..[/QUOTE]Now, trouble maker gringos hung around at the Veracruz area. A few month ago, an obnoxious redneck guy and a Russian guy had a fight, and the former was arrested by police. They are causing many problems there, and locals and working girls detest them.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2998858]I do something similar and and I video and photo sessions. It leads to to a fun experience.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I could never take a video or photo of me wearing women's panties!

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2998994]Sorry, I could never take a video or photo of me wearing women's panties![/QUOTE]I mean the women who like to model for me.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2998971]Now, trouble maker gringos hung around at the Veracruz area. A few month ago, an obnoxious redneck guy and a Russian guy had a fight, and the former was arrested by police. They are causing many problems there, and locals and working girls detest them.[/QUOTE]Yes they have been there for like 5 years. Always loud and yelling being obnoxious from their benches they sit at all day long. A buddy of mine says they are retired us military. I guess they just live off their little pension and stay in Medellin siting there being stupid all day. I think I heard one of them can only afford to have sex one week out of the month so the other 3 weeks he's just sitting there waiting on his next check. Basically just one step above being homeless.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2998854]Panties and women come in many sizes, colors and styles. Women always want to select their own clothes, underwear especially. Unless you have a suitcase full of women's underwear when you arrive, you are bound to lose, and immigration inspection will Wonder about you if they open your suitcases.

Just take them shopping in their own poverty country, it will be much cheaper than buying back home, and they can select what they like.

Perfume and spray are better gifts, get cheap packets of 4-5 variety sprays from the Dollar store or a drug store.[/QUOTE]All my girls are small or extra small so I just buy those and give them out accordingly. All thongs. They cost me $5 plus tax and have a $14.50 price tag on for them to see. The girls love the VS brand and go crazy for them and want to model for pics which is very fun. The last thing I want to do is take them shopping. That's a really dumb idea. The body sprays also have the VS logo and cost $7. 50, they are for special girls. I'm not worried at all about immigration and I only bring around a dozen panties not a full suitcase of them. Not all the girls get them anyway just the top ones.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2998958]I used to bring panties for the ladies. Always Victoria Secret, black, white, red and pink. Also size small. I would sometimes have a few medium size, but if she was a medium size, she had to be spectacular to get a gift. Thongs and other skimpy ones were their favorites.

But they won't have the VS label. That's important.[/QUOTE]You get it.

Alright guys, I've been here since Monday and have been checking out the street scene in Centro and am yet to pull the trigger in that locale. Its more the whole atmosphere of the place rather than the lack of available talent. I've done street walkers in the Dominican Republic, other Caribbean islands, India, China, Hong Kong, Thailand, Singapore and for many years past the US. Never saw any underage girls in any of these locales but there are obvious such girls in Centro. The most obvious one I saw yesterday in extremely short shorts, she could not possibly have been over 16. You will see teeny flawless bodies like hers on the beach. A Medellin jail cell possibly awaits a gent who slips up or miscalculates her age. Today I saw a quite doable legit girl (I've done worse in the casas, actually much worse), I looked at her, she looked at me and I backed out. The Vera Cruz girls are just not for me, I'll leave them to the intrepid ISG Centro guys and stick to the casas.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2999029]Alright guys, I've been here since Monday and have been checking out the street scene in Centro and am yet to pull the trigger in that locale. Its more the whole atmosphere of the place rather than the lack of available talent. I've done street walkers in the Dominican Republic, other Caribbean islands, India, China, Hong Kong, Thailand, Singapore and for many years past the US. Never saw any underage girls in any of these locales but there are obvious such girls in Centro. The most obvious one I saw yesterday in extremely short shorts, she could not possibly have been over 16. You will see teeny flawless bodies like hers on the beach. A Medellin jail cell possibly awaits a gent who slips up or miscalculates her age. Today I saw a quite doable legit girl (I've done worse in the casas, actually much worse), I looked at her, she looked at me and I backed out. The Vera Cruz girls are just not for me, I'll leave them to the intrepid ISG Centro guys and stick to the casas.[/QUOTE]Check out the Centro Casa called New Life. It's not far from Botero. Actually within walking distance. Good Times!

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2999021]Yes they have been there for like 5 years. Always loud and yelling being obnoxious from their benches they sit at all day long. A buddy of mine says they are retired us military. I guess they just live off their little pension and stay in Medellin siting there being stupid all day. I think I heard one of them can only afford to have sex one week out of the month so the other 3 weeks he's just sitting there waiting on his next check. Basically just one step above being homeless.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]As an american, I hate american tourists. We're like a step above mainland chinese tourists. So sad.

[QUOTE=Skeif;2998782]LOL I'm always switching out girls to find new ones. They always drop off for one reason or another. Yeah I'm not sure how to do it I guess putting contact info gets you banned.

That sounds great man! Yes, lets do this. I don't have direct messages so let me know how to coordinate. And no, I'm not a big drinker and don't plan to go to clubs. Sounds like you have a great life here when you visit! 10 girls and one main girl! Wow![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2998768]That sounds great man! Yes, lets do this. I don't have direct messages so let me know how to coordinate. And no, I'm not a big drinker and don't plan to go to clubs. Sounds like you have a great life here when you visit! 10 girls and one main girl! Wow![/QUOTE]Ay fellas ill be there too. early Weekend in may. All my boys backed out. Lmk.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2999029]A\I looked at her, she looked at me and I backed out. The Vera Cruz girls are just not for me, I'll leave them to the intrepid ISG Centro guys and stick to the casas.[/QUOTE]Turgid, you are so close! Haha. You can just take her for a spin and don't even have to have sex with her to see how it goes. The hotel at the glass walkway is pretty clean by casa standard, You should try it. You ought to learn how to check ID.

The young ones are all over the place. Half of the time I stopped by Lleras, I found them and they easily failed the cedula check. The only one that is hard to defeat is when they have a sister.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2999129]Turgid, you are so close! Haha. You can just take her for a spin and don't even have to have sex with her to see how it goes. The hotel at the glass walkway is pretty clean by casa standard, You should try it. You ought to learn how to check ID.

The young ones are all over the place. Half of the time I stopped by Lleras, I found them and they easily failed the cedula check. The only one that is hard to defeat is when they have a sister.[/QUOTE]I've been coming to Medellin for 20 years now and have never taken a sw. The vibe is all wrong there for me. I've given up on taking a sw in centro. You guys have fun there.
You found young'uns in Lleras too? That place is too touristy for me.

[QUOTE=GeorgeCarta22;2999092]Ay fellas ill be there too. early Weekend in may. All my boys backed out. Lmk.[/QUOTE]Yeah dude let me know. I changed my flight so I'm here now I arrived last night until mid may.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2998965]Honestly, I know what you mean about "regular" Colombian women. My recent girlfriend in the US was Colombian and she is the reason why I'm now visiting. There were aspects and things about her that I fell in love with (we may even get back together) that you just don't find in American women. But finding these types of sugar baby's in Colombia seems hard. So far all the girls on Seeking don't seem to have that down to earth vibe. Even the younger ones seem spoiled and hardened to some degree. Where do you find these down to earth women as SugarBabys? Yes, this is my first trip, so I know I'm behind the game. But I would like to be paying 250-300 k as recommended on this board to help the community keep prices reasonable while also having a great time. Any tips are appreciated.[/QUOTE]Yeah, seeking tends to fill up with the hooker types over time. When I mentioned California was 10 X higher for a SB than Medellin, what I meant was by the month costs. Part of the reason is the disparity in living costs between the two areas.

I think most of us could use a personal assistant or head secretary type, and I would advertise that. Every time you see a really hot woman, I would hand her a business card. Put an ad on indeed. If you find a woman who is not attractive to you but has a huge social network, I would consider hiring her and let her set up interviews for you. If a woman approaches another woman with a sugar proprosal, it is a lot less creepy than if you do so.

With my gal's daughter, all her friends are virgins. The parents are crazy protective. The women go off to college and often go a little nuts with their freedom. Maybe they get pregnant. Colombia is a Catholic country, and a lot of the women feel guilty and will not get abortions. 86% of children in Colombia are born to single moms. Child support is rare, and 100% of the single moms want to spend more time with their new borns. Being a SB allows them to do that.

Medellin has a lot of unversities and most of the women in them have financial issues as well. I met a coed working three jobs because her dad was sick with Covid and he could not help her any longer. She worked at a call center most nights. I cannot imagine a lot if not most of the women working those centers would jump at a chance to have an American SD. I could see hanging around outside of one and handing out business cards at the end of a shift.

I would put myself in the mindset of a boss trying to hire a woman for a job beause that is what you are kind of doing.

[QUOTE=Skeif;2999183]Yeah dude let me know. I changed my flight so I'm here now I arrived last night until mid may.[/QUOTE]How are the immigration lines at night? I arrived in the afternoon yesterday and it was 2 hours long which is a bit too much for me.

I am there from Saturday as well if why'all want to hangout.

Also tell me how bad this plan is. Talked to a bunch of chicks and have them lined up from Seeking. Prices are crazy high $200+ and plan to go get food and bring them back to mine, some overnight. To survive, I was going to tell the front desk person to not the chick leave unless I walk her down.

I mentioned that generally the lines to enter Medellin are long and 1-2 hours are the norm. Flying into Bogota connecting to Medellin could be a work around. There are some airlines flying into Bogota first with a transfer to Medellin and the lines there appear to be shorter.

After that long line, I am usually tired and just want to take that white taxi into town for 120 mil. Some say to take the bus to save money but that is more time and effort and after waiting in line for 2 hours, I just want to get to my place as soon as possible.

There is Wi-Fi in the airport so you can surf the Internet while waiting in line. I don't know if you can buy a SIM card or data at the airport. I usually buy data later that day or the next day.

First day I usually hit the supermarket to stock up on stuff for my hotel / Abnb. Girls like drinks and snacks when they get to your place.

I will be here for a month or so and am open to meeting others but I am an older gentlemen and am more compatible with men in 40 to 70 age range and not younger bros in their 20's who like to party at nightclubs. I am no expert and I can barely speak Spanish but I have learned a few things over the past 3 years visiting Medellin.

I still enjoy visiting Medellin and don't compare it to the way it was 10 years ago because I wasn't here back in the day. I only know that way it is now, and I can accept the good and the bad of the way it is now. You definitely always have to be on your guard when visiting Colombia. So far I haven't had any problems but I am still on alert when I am here.

Five years is about right. They congealed into a squad just before the pandemic. It's true that they are not popular with many groups other than themselves, that includes other foreigners, the girls, the police, and random passersby. There are a few unappealing girls who hover around them because they have no other options for spare change. I avoid them so actively I did not know the military connection. I think that background may explain their predilection for mirrored or dark aviator sunglasses. The behavior characterization is spot on.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2999021]Yes they have been there for like 5 years. Always loud and yelling being obnoxious from their benches they sit at all day long. A buddy of mine says they are retired us military. I guess they just live off their little pension and stay in Medellin siting there being stupid all day. I think I heard one of them can only afford to have sex one week out of the month so the other 3 weeks he's just sitting there waiting on his next check. Basically just one step above being homeless.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]

Not George Foreman grills! LOL! That is funny and sad at the same time.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2998510]Like the hooker in Rio who had shit from George Foreman grills and you name it piled up in a corner of her living room saying I do not know why guys bring me all this shit. The purpose of paying a person with money is so they can get what they need. They do not need what you think they should have. If you want to do that shit then get an actual girlfriend. After all that surpise hoopla, probably think you are getting her a car and here you are showing up with a $1 tube of lipstick looking ridiculous. You guys are funny.[/QUOTE]

Anyone know if Mayorista still has chicas and motels? I have not been since the late 2000's.

I am thinking of trying something other than my usual AirBnB. Anyone have a recommendation for a nice chica-friendly hotel in Laureles (prefer) or Poblado? Pool or jacuzzi.

Not interested in the Haven. I know that Dann Carlton and Dan Carlton Before are chica-friendly, but Landmark is not.

Looking for something new.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2999023]All my girls are small or extra small so I just buy those and give them out accordingly. All thongs. They cost me $5 plus tax and have a $14.50 price tag on for them to see. ... I only bring around a dozen panties not a full suitcase of them. Not all the girls get them anyway just the top ones.[/QUOTE]So you admit you lie and misled the girls about 3 X the price of their small panties and now brag about this deception? Are you lying to us now also, or do you lie only to girls? And you give them the panties to lure them into wearing them and taking them off? We have not seen any actual photographs posted of these "top ones" wearing your mispriced panties. Do you have some "bottom girls" also? What do you do with the extra panties, to whom do you give the extra panties? If you bring a dozen panties and only give panties to the top ones, what do you do with the rest of the dozen panties?

Curious minds need to know. Are you going to tell us the rest of the story?? Some of this I have a tough time believing without authenticated photographs.

Ok, so I'm chatting with a 35 year old. Really pretty in pretty much every way. Like was a drop dead gorgeous type. No tattoos. Clearly a dime piece. And wanting to marry for American citizenship and acting like it's real. Anyways, I'm meeting up wither her. I'm sure she's going to sell the dream. But literally I just imagine her jetting off to LA or Miami the second the fiance visa goes into play. Give me some game, yall?

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2999312]Ok, so I'm chatting with a 35 year old. Really pretty in pretty much every way. Like was a drop dead gorgeous type. No tattoos. Clearly a dime piece. And wanting to marry for American citizenship and acting like it's real. Anyways, I'm meeting up wither her. I'm sure she's going to sell the dream. But literally I just imagine her jetting off to LA or Miami the second the fiance visa goes into play. Give me some game, yall?[/QUOTE]I think the chance of getting a fiance visa is very low these days with the US not wanting people like that, and you can count on her finding out about spousal support and property rights if she does get to the US.

4 years ago, my co worker brought dead gorgious Chica from Colombia. They split after few months she arrived here, saw her postings on multiple plateforms escorting.

I am sure she is clearing 10 k a week if not more. Rates 500 $ QV, 800 $ An hour, and 1500 $ for 2 hours.

Them Chicas know US meat market really well.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2999312]Ok, so I'm chatting with a 35 year old. Really pretty in pretty much every way. Like was a drop dead gorgeous type. No tattoos. Clearly a dime piece. And wanting to marry for American citizenship and acting like it's real. Anyways, I'm meeting up wither her. I'm sure she's going to sell the dream. But literally I just imagine her jetting off to LA or Miami the second the fiance visa goes into play. Give me some game, yall?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2999312]Ok, so I'm chatting with a 35 year old. Really pretty in pretty much every way. Like was a drop dead gorgeous type. No tattoos. Clearly a dime piece. And wanting to marry for American citizenship and acting like it's real. Anyways, I'm meeting up wither her. I'm sure she's going to sell the dream. But literally I just imagine her jetting off to LA or Miami the second the fiance visa goes into play. Give me some game, yall?[/QUOTE]Tell her you want to live in Colombia.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2999307]So you admit you lie and misled the girls about 3 X the price of their small panties and now brag about this deception? Are you lying to us now also, or do you lie only to girls? And you give them the panties to lure them into wearing them and taking them off? We have not seen any actual photographs posted of these "top ones" wearing your mispriced panties. Do you have some "bottom girls" also? What do you do with the extra panties, to whom do you give the extra panties? If you bring a dozen panties and only give panties to the top ones, what do you do with the rest of the dozen panties?

Curious minds need to know. Are you going to tell us the rest of the story?? Some of this I have a tough time believing without authenticated photographs.[/QUOTE]I'm leaving for MDE tomorrow and I will never post a picture here but know that my phone is full of them and they are all hot. And your advice sucks.

[QUOTE=Thaw982;2999228]I am there from Saturday as well if why'all want to hangout.

Also tell me how bad this plan is. Talked to a bunch of chicks and have them lined up from Seeking. Prices are crazy high $200+ and plan to go get food and bring them back to mine, some overnight. To survive, I was going to tell the front desk person to not the chick leave unless I walk her down.[/QUOTE]$200 is a lot for sure. Usually hotels do this anyways. They will call up to make sure you are ok if she leaves without you. You can ask them to be sure though.

Sometimes girls look different in their photos than in person which is one of the benefits of walking through and around lleras. Also consider mileroticos.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2999312]Ok, so I'm chatting with a 35 year old. Really pretty in pretty much every way. Like was a drop dead gorgeous type. No tattoos. Clearly a dime piece. And wanting to marry for American citizenship and acting like it's real. Anyways, I'm meeting up wither her.[/QUOTE]There's a couple of pitfalls I would watch for. She will probably ask for money before you meet her. After all, she needs to get her hair and nails done, and may need some new clothes. You will probably be disappointed by her appearance when you do meet in person. There are some attractive 35 year-olds, but those are usually already being taken care of by a sugar daddy. I hope I'm wrong, and she is the real deal for you.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2999312]Ok, so I'm chatting with a 35 year old. Really pretty in pretty much every way. Like was a drop dead gorgeous type. No tattoos. Clearly a dime piece. And wanting to marry for American citizenship and acting like it's real. Anyways, I'm meeting up wither her. I'm sure she's going to sell the dream. But literally I just imagine her jetting off to LA or Miami the second the fiance visa goes into play. Give me some game, yall?[/QUOTE]Ha Haaaaa. What could go wrong? The game is "Don't play that game". Why does anyone need advice on this situation? A case of "more naive Americans getting played before they get laid".

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2999346]There's a couple of pitfalls I would watch for. She will probably ask for money before you meet her. After all, she needs to get her hair and nails done, and may need some new clothes. You will probably be disappointed by her appearance when you do meet in person. There are some attractive 35 year-olds, but those are usually already being taken care of by a sugar daddy. I hope I'm wrong, and she is the real deal for you.[/QUOTE]Yeah, if she asks for money before I'm not going to even meet. I actually would be surprised if I'm disappointed by her looks after meeting, but these girls are masters of filters, so it could be possible. My guard is very high up. I mean, the reality, is even if it all went through she is likely going to level up if she moves here. I would definitely do a prenup though. I'm just too curious to not meet her, so I'm going to see what happens.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2999346]There's a couple of pitfalls I would watch for. She will probably ask for money before you meet her. After all, she needs to get her hair and nails done, and may need some new clothes. You will probably be disappointed by her appearance when you do meet in person. There are some attractive 35 year-olds, but those are usually already being taken care of by a sugar daddy. I hope I'm wrong, and she is the real deal for you.[/QUOTE]You're not wrong. I'm sure she is already being taken care of by multiple guys. I'm curious to see nonetheless, but I'm not delusional by any means, that this is real. Sometimes the connection is strong and it can lead to something meaningful. And I'm not interested in children at this point, so if this ends up being a three year relationship or so, I guess it would be worth the time. With prenup in place.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2999312]Ok, so I'm chatting with a 35 year old. Really pretty in pretty much every way. Like was a drop dead gorgeous type. No tattoos. Clearly a dime piece. And wanting to marry for American citizenship and acting like it's real. Anyways, I'm meeting up wither her. I'm sure she's going to sell the dream. But literally I just imagine her jetting off to LA or Miami the second the fiance visa goes into play. Give me some game, yall?[/QUOTE]It sounds too good to be true. Video chat with her. 35 is very old by Medellin standard.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2999176]I've been coming to Medellin for 20 years now and have never taken a sw. The vibe is all wrong there for me. I've given up on taking a sw in centro. You guys have fun there.
You found young'uns in Lleras too? That place is too touristy for me.[/QUOTE]What is your concern? I will be your wingman. That is where the money is, and many visitors probably don't ask to check their IDs at all.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2999349]Ha Haaaaa. What could go wrong? The game is "Don't play that game". Why does anyone need advice on this situation? A case of "more naive Americans getting played before they get laid".[/QUOTE]Wait. Getting played before getting laid. I haven't sent any money nor will I. I'm supposed to meet her next week. Part of my thought process was that at 35 years old, no tattoos, seemingly normal, she is not a drugging risk. How am I getting played before I get laid?

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2999428]I haven't sent any money nor will I. I'm supposed to meet her next week. Part of my thought process was that at 35 years old, no tattoos, seemingly normal, she is not a drugging risk.[/QUOTE]I do not get it. You talk like you have never met a normal woman online before. I meet dozens every year, so I am not seeing the big deal or disbelief.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2999411]What is your concern? I will be your wingman. That is where the money is, and many visitors probably don't ask to check their IDs at all.[/QUOTE]It is not really a concern and has nothing to do with underage girls, I can navigate that easily. Before I get there I feel like banging a chica but when I arrive I don't. I just get a bad vibe there so I'll avoid. Must follow my instinct. Thanks for the offer.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2999428]Wait. Getting played before getting laid. I haven't sent any money nor will I. I'm supposed to meet her next week. Part of my thought process was that at 35 years old, no tattoos, seemingly normal, she is not a drugging risk. How am I getting played before I get laid?[/QUOTE]I don't see any issues with meeting someone to get to know them. The biggest issue is usually girls asking money online for nothing. Here, the biggest issue is probably that she wants to see you while you are here and you may want to see other girls. The money part is tricky. If she is not asking for money and you guys have sex then she has certain expectations as to the nature of the relationship because she isn't meeting you because she is horny and wants to have sex with you because you are so handsome. There are plenty of good looking local men who want to meet with her. So the question really is what is her intent? It may just be meeting a foreigner with money who can treat her nice and take her to nice restaurants and give her some gifts. Nothing wrong with that except that she would get upset if she finds out you are having sex with multiple women here.

I prefer to pay women so I don't have these issues. The nature of the relationship is clear and it is understood that she is one of many and there is no expectation of anything else going on.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2999440]It is not really a concern and has nothing to do with underage girls, I can navigate that easily. Before I get there I feel like banging a chica but when I arrive I don't. I just get a bad vibe there so I'll avoid. Must follow my instinct. Thanks for the offer.[/QUOTE]Just take a 20 MG Cialis about 45 minutes before arrive to plaza Botero.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2999428]Wait. Getting played before getting laid. I haven't sent any money nor will I. I'm supposed to meet her next week. Part of my thought process was that at 35 years old, no tattoos, seemingly normal, she is not a drugging risk. How am I getting played before I get laid?[/QUOTE]OMG BRO! You do not have to go through all this just for some pussy. As soon as you bust a nut and realize you don't speak the same language, will you really want this girl around? Take things slow! If you want a GFE, then get a GFE and go on some dates or do an overnight, but any American man would be out of his mind to consider marrying a girl from Colombia and attaching his finances to her. That's like getting a loan from the Mafia back in the day to start a business. You know there going to bleed you dry until you got absolutely nothing left.

Have fun, watch your drink. Use common sense. Always think, if its too good to be true, then it is. Every once in awhile, you do see a real relationship form. They are very rare and its usually a successful guy who can get a decent woman in the USA, but wants a slightly hotter and younger girl from Colombia. Is that you? If not, then don't chance it.

Any recommendations? I looked back over the most recent 20 or so pages and found nothing about hotels other than the St. Peter.

I want a place that is chica-friendly and has either a pool or jacuzzi.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2999445]I prefer to pay women so I don't have these issues. The nature of the relationship is clear and it is understood that she is one of many and there is no expectation of anything else going on.[/QUOTE]You know you can also have that without paying. And there are also cases when you pay that the woman has expectations a part from the money.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2998658]Hey I'm coming out from May 3rd to May 10th. Staying at Hotel Haven. Anyone want to grab a drink?[/QUOTE]I will be in town the Apr30-May5. Always looking to hang out to get a drink or dinner and enjoy some conversations.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2998552]What's up everyone! Hope to meet some of you during my trip May 3rd through May 10th. I'll be staying at Haven Hotel. I'm already busy trying to make contacts with Chicas on Seeking, FB, and Bumble. Yes, I am aware of the risks with these girls, and I am actually quite nervous about it. I may just stick to Casas and paid escort sites at the end of the day.

But I wanted to run some ideas past this group to get your feedback. Ideally, it would be great if I trusted that I could drink, eat, and relax with some hot Colombian women todos LOS noches, and not have a care in the world. But sadly, for a newbie, with bad Spanish, and a Gringo, I know that's not the case. That is a recipe to get drugged and robbed.

So, my thought is that I will stick to one hour dates in my hotel. Girls need ID to enter. I will not drink or eat anything around them. Wouldn't this be a decent enough strategy to stay safe.

I know these girls doing the druggings are experts, and they can make the guy feel comfortable and let his guard down. That is my only concern. So I might have to have a rule that I don't see a girl more than once, or I don't allow any woman over for more than one hour. What do you all think?[/QUOTE]If you have front desk personnel that have to check everyone or security then you're your golden. One thing you can do if you have security tip them and ask them anytime a girls leaves they have to call you when she goes to check out (some places hold their I. The or take a picture of it) . That way they make sure you are good and not unconscious. Doesn't mean you can let your guard all the way down but it helps protect you a bit. When I travel I'm careful when I drink (don't over drink) I don't do drugs, don't act stupid, not be flashy, carry only the cash you need, get a good ATM that has no fees (charles Schwab). If you find a pretty good girl there is no reason you can't see her again, just keep your wits about you. I probably will 2 I've seen before when I'm back there next week but will look to find some new ones. I use FB alot.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2999363]You're not wrong. I'm sure she is already being taken care of by multiple guys. I'm curious to see nonetheless, but I'm not delusional by any means, that this is real. Sometimes the connection is strong and it can lead to something meaningful. And I'm not interested in children at this point, so if this ends up being a three year relationship or so, I guess it would be worth the time. With prenup in place.[/QUOTE]Does she have a job and kids? I think it has to cost you something. The average person there who has a job makes peanuts compare to the average worker in the US.

I know a few working people who work 6 to 7 days a week. Where would someone have the to time to meet someone for nothing?

She has to expect something because most Colombians think all Americans are wealthy.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2995786]Everybody is talking about time and prices paid but nobody is talking about what they look like and if they are giving you BBFS without an upcharge. Looks are very important to me. Some SA girls are very hot but they almost always want a premium just because they are on SA. I would say about 200 m more than they are worth. I stopped using it but now have a stable of chicas from FB and a few from SA that charge a fair price and are ready to see me.[/QUOTE]Yeah on the sites they start to get the GPS and think they are worth more. Plus when guys pay the higher amount then don't want to start taking less.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2999438]I do not get it. You talk like you have never met a normal woman online before. I meet dozens every year, so I am not seeing the big deal or disbelief.[/QUOTE]I've definitely met normal women. But I've never been to Colombia, and I'm honestly freaked out about the druggings that happen here, and perhaps I'm being overly cautions, but this girl does not seem like the type, but what do I know.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2999566]Does she have a job and kids? I think it has to cost you something. The average person there who has a job makes peanuts compare to the average worker in the US.

I know a few working people who work 6 to 7 days a week. Where would someone have the to time to meet someone for nothing?

She has to expect something because most Colombians think all Americans are wealthy.[/QUOTE]She says she has no kids and just lost her job. She's on seeking and I saw her on Tinder. So clearly she has guys financing her. And yes, she clearly wants something which is a US passport, and I'm not really under the illusion that it could work out. She does speak some English and it was nice for a minute to fantasize that it could work out, but the truth is pretty clear as the date gets closer.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2999479]OMG BRO! You do not have to go through all this just for some pussy. As soon as you bust a nut and realize you don't speak the same language, will you really want this girl around? Take things slow! If you want a GFE, then get a GFE and go on some dates or do an overnight, but any American man would be out of his mind to consider marrying a girl from Colombia and attaching his finances to her. That's like getting a loan from the Mafia back in the day to start a business. You know there going to bleed you dry until you got absolutely nothing left.

Have fun, watch your drink. Use common sense. Always think, if its too good to be true, then it is. Every once in awhile, you do see a real relationship form. They are very rare and its usually a successful guy who can get a decent woman in the USA, but wants a slightly hotter and younger girl from Colombia. Is that you? If not, then don't chance it.[/QUOTE]I know. I know. I was joking in my message when I said she was beautiful and we should get married. And then it just spiraled. But I know this isn't real. And I agree I don't want to create a false impression and then have her upset when I'm not going to follow through with it. But I would definitely do a prenup if it were to happen, but it's not. I can get women in the USA but not a dime piece like her in the USA. This type of girl would be on millionaire yachts and such, and in reality, if I were to do this, she would shortly be ditching me for one of those guys, so it's not going to happen.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2999523]I want a place that is chica-friendly and has either a pool or jacuzzi.
[/QUOTE]Energy Living.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2999566]Does she have a job and kids? I think it has to cost you something. The average person there who has a job makes peanuts compare to the average worker in the US.[/QUOTE]Neither does the average person in Colombia have $2,000 rent as would the average American worker. It is all relative. It is not how much you make; it is how much you need to spend where you live.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2999566]I know a few working people who work 6 to 7 days a week. Where would someone have the to time to meet someone for nothing?[/QUOTE]Is that your perception of Colombians? Do Colombian women meet Colombian men "for nothing" or do they just stay alone without a mate all of their days? Everybody is not on the take!

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2999566]She has to expect something because most Colombians think all Americans are wealthy.[/QUOTE]You must have very limited interactions with normal people, because after 20 of coming to Colombia and dating normal women, I can assure you this is not the case.

Why are you engaging in these conversations anyway? Do you really think she is attracted to you when she has never even met you?

Do above attractive women in the USA have chats with you not even knowing you?

I personally know of gringos that fall for this and send money. One even tried to bring the girl back to the states.

These girls are desperate to get out of their economic situation. They will say anything to get out.

As Mr. Enternational replied, "tell them you want to live in Medellin".

From my experience, these girls will shift gears and want you to send money on a regular basis then.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2999312]Ok, so I'm chatting with a 35 year old. Really pretty in pretty much every way. Like was a drop dead gorgeous type. No tattoos. Clearly a dime piece. And wanting to marry for American citizenship and acting like it's real. Anyways, I'm meeting up wither her. I'm sure she's going to sell the dream. But literally I just imagine her jetting off to LA or Miami the second the fiance visa goes into play. Give me some game, yall?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2999523]Any recommendations? I looked back over the most recent 20 or so pages and found nothing about hotels other than the St. Peter.

I want a place that is chica-friendly and has either a pool or jacuzzi.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]You don't want to use an Airbnb? Plenty of those that require guest to have an I. The but you can have guest. Some don't allow guest or you must register before you check in. Some allow only a certain amount of guest in a certain time frame and others guest friendly. You just have to look at their policy. I've only been using airbnb in Medellin and its worked out great. Front door people, check I. The so you have some security in that to a certain degree of security. If she was a minor trying to pull a fast one on you (and I. The issue).

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2999572]I've definitely met normal women. But I've never been to Colombia, and I'm honestly freaked out about the druggings that happen here, and perhaps I'm being overly cautions, but this girl does not seem like the type, but what do I know.[/QUOTE]Get to Colombia, get your bearings meet some girls in public if you're doing the internet dating site stuff. Get feel for them in a casual public venue that way you get their vibe, see what they look like and how they act. If you want to create some type of longer term relationship I think it's hard for short term vacations. The guys that are successful are their months at a time or live there. Try to use the big head instead of the little head. It's the guys that can rarely travel that go buck wild almost Vegas type of vacations. It's a blitz and sprint! Just depends how you go about it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2999646]Neither does the average person in Colombia have $2,000 rent as would the average American worker. It is all relative. It is not how much you make; it is how much you need to spend where you live.

Is that your perception of Colombians? Do Colombian women meet Colombian men "for nothing" or do they just stay alone without a mate all of their days? Everybody is not on the take!

You must have very limited interactions with normal people, because after 20 of coming to Colombia and dating normal women, I can assure you this is not the case.[/QUOTE]I get your point cost of living is less there but it is rising. I don't know anyone not living in Cali or New York paying 2 k for rent.

If they are online they surely aren't in the market for a local. There's single Colombian men all over the place.

He said she's on Seeking so of course she expects something.

Hola Amigos!

New here and first quick trip planned to Medellin. Coming in from Miami if anyone has suggestions there. Fairly experienced Monger / Hobbist. Even more so on SB side. Looking forward to sharing intel. Interested in meeting fellow hobbyists in Medellin.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2999572]I've definitely met normal women. But I've never been to Colombia, and I'm honestly freaked out about the druggings that happen here, and perhaps I'm being overly cautions, but this girl does not seem like the type, but what do I know.[/QUOTE]Okay. I got you now. First time jitters. I did not even plan to be in Colombia today. Wound up in Bogota and got on Bumble this morning. In no time there were 3 chicks ready to meet. One was a nurse, one a secretary, and one a student. The nurse said she finished work at 2 and could meet then. The secretary finsihed work, but had to go cook for a friend who is sick, but could meet at 5. The student wanted to meet at 8, but talking about going out. I could tell she was either looking for money or for someone to spend some. Plus she had those Kardashian pics. Sure did not look to be from Bogota. I asked and she said she was from Medellin. The other 2, I knew were just regular chicks.

I met up with the nurse at 2:30 and have not looked back. We came back to my airbnb and started watching a movie. She said after the movie she would go home. I said negative. You will be staying the night. She asked for a shirt and went to take a shower and got in the bed. We ordered rappi (finally got that shit working because since during covid it would not) finished the movie and did the BB that adults do while waiting for the food. Now she says she is going to get up early tomorrow to go home and get more clothes so she can stay tomorrow night too.

The secretary sent messages but I did not answer. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the Bush. In 20 years I have never even thought about druggings, because I know the women I meet with are not the type.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2999716]If they are online they surely aren't in the market for a local. There's single Colombian men all over the place.[/QUOTE]By that token in our countries there are single women all over the place too, but we still go online to find chicks, even when dating locally. I do not know what guys are on the sites because in all these years on the internet I have never clicked to see them. I know some people say they need to check out the competition, but that has never concerned me.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2999716]He said she's on Seeking so of course she expects something.[/QUOTE]I see said the blind man. In that case all bets are off and I am in 100% agreement with you. If I was him I would just play it by ear as if she is a regular chick to see how it turns out.

I spent some time reading many of the comments here to travel better informed. I'll be sharing a bit about my adventure in Medelland: a friend and coworker gave me the contact of someone who will introduce me to a college girl, and I'll be paying $150 for an overnight stay.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2999661]Why are you engaging in these conversations anyway? Do you really think she is attracted to you when she has never even met you?

Do above attractive women in the USA have chats with you not even knowing you?

I personally know of gringos that fall for this and send money. One even tried to bring the girl back to the states.

These girls are desperate to get out of their economic situation. They will say anything to get out.

As Mr. Enternational replied, "tell them you want to live in Medellin".

From my experience, these girls will shift gears and want you to send money on a regular basis then.[/QUOTE]I mean it's possible she is attracted to me by my pictures, as I am to her, but I also know that connection is most important. I've had three SugarBaby relationships that have turned into real realtionships where we were exclusive with one another. They were all new to the scene when it happened and they weren't too jaded yet. But my sense with this woman, at 35 years old, is that she likely has much more experience in this dynamic. The truth is, for me, I'm very attracted and briefly entertained the possibility that it could turn into something. She is conversational in English.

Here's the thing, I'm not saying she doesn't want anything. Of course she does. She wants US citizenship. And for this reason she jumped on board for the idea without really getting to know me. My gut is telling me we likely aren't going to have that type of connection that could turn to something real.

And, I know, the moment it feels that marriage isn't happening, she will ask for money. No, she isn't making these commitments for nothing. It's US Passport or an SB relationship for money. And if we ended this trip, and still pretending / considering this marriage proposal, I know the requests for ongoing money in the meantime would begin. Whether true or not, she already planted that she just lost her job, so that's the beginning of the story where she asks for money.

I'm actually at the point with it that I'm over pretending we are going to have something serious, and my plan is to turn it into a sugar baby relationship from the start. Takes the stress out of it. And allows me to be more real, and communicate more directly.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2999579]I know. I know. I was joking in my message when I said she was beautiful and we should get married. And then it just spiraled. But I know this isn't real. And I agree I don't want to create a false impression and then have her upset when I'm not going to follow through with it. But I would definitely do a prenup if it were to happen, but it's not. I can get women in the USA but not a dime piece like her in the USA. This type of girl would be on millionaire yachts and such, and in reality, if I were to do this, she would shortly be ditching me for one of those guys, so it's not going to happen.[/QUOTE]Here is my best advice for you or anyone who is in your boat, aka someone looking for a long term relationship which is based on more than just sex. If that is what your truly looking for, then form a relationship with a woman from your home country who your going to have much more in common with and be able to communicate with.

Now if your dead set on getting a girl from latin america for their beauty, then at minimum you should become fluent in spanish and ideally you should spend a few months actually living in latin america before you commit to a relationship. Most guys come to the conclusion that a long term relationship is not worth it when they figure out the risks involved combined with the fact how easy it is to get sex in latin america.

That being said, I have heard of some guys finding what they are looking for and forming a real lasting relationship, but like I said they are very rare and not the norm.

I know this has been covered repeatedly in this forum, but I'm seeking some current advice / guidance on the topic of avoiding Scopolamine girls, robbings, and danger (in general). So far, the prevailing advice seems to be: 1) Avoid Seeking, Tinder, Bumble. 2) Avoid girls with more than 1 tattoo. 3) Watch drinks and food at all times. 4) Stay at a place that requires guest ID.

Outside of these common recommendations, I'm wondering if anyone has any additional conversations / tips to add to this advice. Clearly, there are many members on this forum that have found a sense of safety in their mongering (even those using Seeking, Tinder, Bumble, or staying in AirBNB, or even drinking and eating with these women). And one question: "Is scopolamine mostly a young woman's game, or our older women also doing this?

My main plan is to meet in public first. Get a sense of them. Book short date (1 to 2 hours). Guest ID at the hotel. Hide all valuables before they arrive. And not drink or eat with any of them. Can you spot any pitfalls to this plan?

I would have much preferred a trip where this wasn't a concern. Where I could party with the girls all night, or days on ends. Much different level of fun this way. But sadly, without speaking Spanish, and hearing the horror stories of the women building trust with the men and then drugging them on the 2nd or 3rd date. So, my plan is to settle for short 1-2 hour dates at my hotel and not drink or eat around them.

Any thoughts appreciated.

[QUOTE=Muccells;2999669]Get to Colombia, get your bearings meet some girls in public if you're doing the internet dating site stuff. Get feel for them in a casual public venue that way you get their vibe, see what they look like and how they act. If you want to create some type of longer term relationship I think it's hard for short term vacations. The guys that are successful are their months at a time or live there. Try to use the big head instead of the little head. It's the guys that can rarely travel that go buck wild almost Vegas type of vacations. It's a blitz and sprint! Just depends how you go about it.[/QUOTE]Great advice thank you.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2999523]Any recommendations? I looked back over the most recent 20 or so pages and found nothing about hotels other than the St. Peter.

I want a place that is chica-friendly and has either a pool or jacuzzi.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I'm staying at Haven Hotel and you can have one guest per day. Their website is clear about it. Additional guests per day require a deposit of $120,000 cop.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2999574]She says she has no kids and just lost her job. She's on seeking and I saw her on Tinder. So clearly she has guys financing her. And yes, she clearly wants something which is a US passport, and I'm not really under the illusion that it could work out. She does speak some English and it was nice for a minute to fantasize that it could work out, but the truth is pretty clear as the date gets closer.[/QUOTE]So I met this girl next door type off seeking. We met at a mall at first and then later that night. She actually brought me food, and I could tell she really liked me. We go at it, and I could tell that if I offered to pay her any money she would be insulted. Thing is with this girl next door type I could see her liking me for real.

I had a date with a different woman who was a smoke show. On seeing her pics, my friends called her a 10. Car horns blared as she walked by. She is not as extraverted as the GND but she fucks the shit out of me. I cannot get it up for 2 days after we are done. When it was obvious the sex was over, she seemed to want to stay. I was confused. In my mind, I am thinking, "Okay, we are done. You can leave now like all the other women have in the past. Why are you still here?" When she is in the bathroom, I put money in her purse.

I tell this story and Mr. E rags on me like he is ragging on you and says to me, "Why the fuck did you pay her?" I can be honest about this now. I thought the woman was too damned hot to be interested in me just like you are doing now. I was like, "Okay, fine, I will roll with it. I doubt she likes me but let's see. " I ask to see her again. We fuck again. I pay her nothing. Ask to take a trip with her. She says that she would love to. We had a great time. When we go our separate ways, she is balling her eyes out. It was at that moment I finally believed it was possible she really liked me.

The men's rights blogosphere say women shit test men all the time. They play this game to see if the men are just about sex or if they really like them, but we do it too. It is just money instead of sex. Take a woman to a mall. Does she spend the time with you or does she spend all of it in the stores and expects you to buy her something? When it is time for dinner, does she pick out an expensive place or is content to eat at the corner grill? Does she have a list of things she wants you to get when you see her in Colombia or does she say she just wants to see you?

Thing about shit tests is you are not the only one doing it. Everyone is doing it too: friends, family, strangers. I told the story of being in a cab. The cabbie thinks my gal is a hooker and he can overcharge me so I do not look cheap in front of her. She steps in and blasts him. He was shit testing me and her.

There is a lot that is made about whether a woman is a hooker or not, and I think it really is how they look at men. Do you respect him or just want his money? Long term, I want a woman who looks at me as more than an ATM.

I think the problem men have is not that they do not do the shit testing, but they do not look at the results. Your brain tells you the chick is no good but your dick says something else. The people who are not fucking her are a lot more objective than you are, and IMO you need to listen to them.

I had a 66 year old friend meet up with me and my gal at a social event, and she has a smoking hot 31 year old friend. She comes onto my guy friend who is married, and he told me she let him know in graphic detail she would fuck the shit out of him. He has money, but I do not think that was it. She saw how happy her friend was and she wanted that too.

So yeah, the ability to get a goregous woman unlike anything you can ever get in the USA can happen in Colombia. I met a 50 year old guy on a plane with a smoking hot 23 year old wife, but it is the exception not the rule. Based on what I have seen, there is a one in three or four chance she might not be the gold digging hooker type. You are not going to know until you meet her and shit test her.

Unless she is a tatted up El Centro type, I would not worry about being drugged. Go to a public place for the initial meet. That is not just for your safety but hers. Get her into bed as soon as you can. No matter how hot she is, if she is lousy in the sack, you are going to be looking at others if she is lousy in bed.

I know you want to fuck her but for long term, she needs to be so good in bed that you give up other women for her. If you cannot visit Colombia at least once every 3 months or fly her to a halfway point like Mexico, I would not even think about anything long term. The Colombian women really interested in me liked to video chat every night.

It probably is not going to work out but you won't know until you meet her and are around her for a while, but American guys, who are not that great looking themselves, can get the best looking women Colombia has to offer. Good luck.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2999716]
If they are online they surely aren't in the market for a local. There's single Colombian men all over the place.

He said she's on Seeking so of course she expects something.[/QUOTE]I do not think you get who those single Colombian men are. My gal has a very negative view of Colombian macho men as most of them are. I remember in Argentina once they had a power shortage after they put price controls on electricity. The government responded by being offended that the country was without power. How dare you say we have no electricity? The government then changed the time period to one that was in more in line with when the sun was shining most. It was like a 2 hour switch.

That is how I envision Colombian men. They go back to their wife / GF with cum stains on their pants, lipstick on their mouth, smelling like cheap perfume, and saying to their wives / GFs, why would you think I am cheating on you? How dare you!

One girl I dated actually became friends with her half sister. Can you imagine that in the USA? Your dad is fucking another woman and you become friends with the half-sibling? I guess it is a thing there.

The father of my current gal was fucking three other women when married. One of them even called his wife and told her she was going to steal him. She had enough and finally divorced him.

My gal's baby daddy beat the hell out of her when she was pregnant and even his parents know how he is. I am sure it is going to change, but most guys there get away with all this shit. American women have no clue how good they have it.

Let me know if any of you hobbyists are out there durring this time, would be fun to swap notes. I have some reports from my last visit, will make a detailed report here soon with some contacts.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2999797] 2) Avoid girls with more than 1 tattoo.[/QUOTE]That will eliminate about 80% of the P4P ladies. Most of them have an obsession with tattoos.

I understand your trepidations being a first time visitor. Before my first trip to Medellin, I had fears of being robbed by highway bandits on the way from the airport to the city. That was because of reading reports. After 15 years and nearing 100 trips, I haven't been robbed nor drugged. I've had small things taken, like a bag of candy, shampoo, scissors, tweezers; but nothing major. I stay in apartments, mostly without front desk security. I don't drink alcohol with the ladies, and I don't get drunk. I sometimes drink a glass of water with them, but I drink it all before sitting the glass down. Most of the ladies are just trying to earn some money to exist. I don't pick up women from Parque Lleras. I have picked up a very few in the past, and most turned into a bad experience.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2999797]Any thoughts appreciated.[/QUOTE]You really need only one thing. A hotel that will not allow the guest to leave before your permission, and that is until the girl figures out a way to bypass that. There is always an element of risk here.

Tatoo is normal. There is no reason to avoid them if you like the girl. In my experience, often the sex is the better with them.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2999934]That will eliminate about 80% of the P4P ladies. Most of them have an obsession with tattoos.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Thereby 100% eliminating getting drugged by a chick you chose!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2999802]So I met this girl next door type off seeking. We met at a mall at first and then later that night. She actually brought me food, and I could tell she really liked me. We go at it, and I could tell that if I offered to pay her any money she would be insulted. Thing is with this girl next door type I could see her liking me for real.

I had a date with a different woman who was a smoke show. On seeing her pics, my friends called her a 10. Car horns blared as she walked by. She is not as extraverted as the GND but she fucks the shit out of me. I cannot get it up for 2 days after we are done. When it was obvious the sex was over, she seemed to want to stay. I was confused. In my mind, I am thinking, "Okay, we are done. You can leave now like all the other women have in the past. Why are you still here?" When she is in the bathroom, I put money in her purse.

I tell this story and Mr. E rags on me like he is ragging on you and says to me, "Why the fuck did you pay her?" I can be honest about this now. I thought the woman was too damned hot to be interested in me just like you are doing now. I was like, "Okay, fine, I will roll with it. I doubt she likes me but let's see. " I ask to see her again. We fuck again. I pay her nothing. Ask to take a trip with her. She says that she would love to. We had a great time. When we go our separate ways, she is balling her eyes out. It was at that moment I finally believed it was possible she really liked me.

The men's rights blogosphere say women shit test men all the time. They play this game to see if the men are just about sex or if they really like them, but we do it too. It is just money instead of sex. Take a woman to a mall. Does she spend the time with you or does she spend all of it in the stores and expects you to buy her something? When it is time for dinner, does she pick out an expensive place or is content to eat at the corner grill? Does she have a list of things she wants you to get when you see her in Colombia or does she say she just wants to see you?

Thing about shit tests is you are not the only one doing it. Everyone is doing it too: friends, family, strangers. I told the story of being in a cab. The cabbie thinks my gal is a hooker and he can overcharge me so I do not look cheap in front of her. She steps in and blasts him. He was shit testing me and her.

There is a lot that is made about whether a woman is a hooker or not, and I think it really is how they look at men. Do you respect him or just want his money? Long term, I want a woman who looks at me as more than an ATM.

I think the problem men have is not that they do not do the shit testing, but they do not look at the results. Your brain tells you the chick is no good but your dick says something else. The people who are not fucking her are a lot more objective than you are, and IMO you need to listen to them.

I had a 66 year old friend meet up with me and my gal at a social event, and she has a smoking hot 31 year old friend. She comes onto my guy friend who is married, and he told me she let him know in graphic detail she would fuck the shit out of him. He has money, but I do not think that was it. She saw how happy her friend was and she wanted that too.

So yeah, the ability to get a goregous woman unlike anything you can ever get in the USA can happen in Colombia. I met a 50 year old guy on a plane with a smoking hot 23 year old wife, but it is the exception not the rule. Based on what I have seen, there is a one in three or four chance she might not be the gold digging hooker type. You are not going to know until you meet her and shit test her.

Unless she is a tatted up El Centro type, I would not worry about being drugged. Go to a public place for the initial meet. That is not just for your safety but hers. Get her into bed as soon as you can. No matter how hot she is, if she is lousy in the sack, you are going to be looking at others if she is lousy in bed.

I know you want to fuck her but for long term, she needs to be so good in bed that you give up other women for her. If you cannot visit Colombia at least once every 3 months or fly her to a halfway point like Mexico, I would not even think about anything long term. The Colombian women really interested in me liked to video chat every night.

It probably is not going to work out but you won't know until you meet her and are around her for a while, but American guys, who are not that great looking themselves, can get the best looking women Colombia has to offer. Good luck.[/QUOTE]Awesome advice and post! Thank you! Colombia is truly amazing. Is it really true that ALL Colombia women go down hill at a certain point. I mean there is Sophia Vergara, afterall. Normally I wouldn't be going after a 35 year old, but if she looks like her pics, my god is she gorgeous!

[QUOTE=Jotablue;2999780]I spent some time reading many of the comments here to travel better informed. I'll be sharing a bit about my adventure in Medelland: a friend and coworker gave me the contact of someone who will introduce me to a college girl, and I'll be paying $150 for an overnight stay.[/QUOTE]Are you paying that much because she is supposedly in school? If so, then I do not think you have ever been around any Colombian college girls, because that definitely is not one. Have them send you a picture wearing jeans, converse, and a backpack. What you have there is a full fledged hooker.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2999797] 2) Avoid girls with more than 1 tattoo.[/QUOTE]Women with tattoos cannot be true Christians or Jewish followers. For it says in the Good Book, Leviticus 19:28, which states: "You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead, nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves. ".

I was once destined to the fundamentalist ministry, but then I reached puberty and my focus changed.

Anyone still see these Giraldo sisters and old Pao Zapata.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/kelly.giraldo.3762/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/paz___paz/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/malejagiiraldo/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Muccells;2999665]You don't want to use an Airbnb? Plenty of those that require guest to have an I. The but you can have guest. Some don't allow guest or you must register before you check in. Some allow only a certain amount of guest in a certain time frame and others guest friendly. You just have to look at their policy. I've only been using airbnb in Medellin and its worked out great. Front door people, check I. The so you have some security in that to a certain degree of security. If she was a minor trying to pull a fast one on you (and I. The issue).[/QUOTE]I usually use an Air BnB. But I want to try something else. Front desk, in-house restaurant, maid service, maybe a spa, elevator, pool.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2999806]I do not think you get who those single Colombian men are. My gal has a very negative view of Colombian macho men as most of them are. I remember in Argentina once they had a power shortage after they put price controls on electricity. The government responded by being offended that the country was without power. How dare you say we have no electricity? The government then changed the time period to one that was in more in line with when the sun was shining most. It was like a 2 hour switch.

That is how I envision Colombian men. They go back to their wife / GF with cum stains on their pants, lipstick on their mouth, smelling like cheap perfume, and saying to their wives / GFs, why would you think I am cheating on you? How dare you!

One girl I dated actually became friends with her half sister. Can you imagine that in the USA? Your dad is fucking another woman and you become friends with the half-sibling? I guess it is a thing there.

The father of my current gal was fucking three other women when married. One of them even called his wife and told her she was going to steal him. She had enough and finally divorced him.

My gal's baby daddy beat the hell out of her when she was pregnant and even his parents know how he is. I am sure it is going to change, but most guys there get away with all this shit. American
women have no clue how good they have it.[/QUOTE]Hello- With all due respect you can't tell me what I know. I was in Argentina when Bill Clinton was being impeached in the Monica Lewinsky affair. People were bemused with the prospect of a President being dragged down with an extra marital affair. It was not usual there for men to have girl on the side.

I think you took me too literally when I said Colombian men are everywhere. I have been to Medellin 16 times in the last 2.5 years. I have an friend there and she tells me that she won't date anyone guy in her barrio. The way she describes where she lives are lots of instances of sexual harassment.

I also know lots of choices who have kids but get no help at all from the fathers. On several occasions girls that I have Uber'ed to my Airbnb have told me that drivers were hitting on them and many of those guys were much older.

There's a lot I don't know but I know enough to get by when I am out there.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3000020]I think you took me too literally when I said Colombian men are everywhere. I have been to Medellin 16 times in the last 2. 5 years. I have an friend there and she tells me that she won't date anyone guy in her barrio. The way she describes where she lives are lots of instances of sexual harassment.[/QUOTE]In every country you go the women will complain about the local men and claim not to date them. Just look around Colombia and notice that you see almost no mixed foreign babies. So maybe they do not consider fucking as dating! Because they definitely did not just start fucking when they came in contact with foreigners.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2999990]Women with tattoos cannot be true Christians or Jewish followers. For it says in the Good Book, Leviticus 19:28, which states: "You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead, nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves. ".

I was once destined to the fundamentalist ministry, but then I reached puberty and my focus changed.[/QUOTE]I guess lucky for you, Colombia is primarily a Catholic country. 🙄.

[QUOTE=Jotablue;2999780]I spent some time reading many of the comments here to travel better informed. I'll be sharing a bit about my adventure in Medelland: a friend and coworker gave me the contact of someone who will introduce me to a college girl, and I'll be paying $150 for an overnight stay.[/QUOTE]Meet her first in a public place and feel her out before agreeing to anything. Try to get some chemistry going with her and see if she is into you. If not, you're not going to have a good night.

I have felt perfectly safe going to the apartment of chicas who advertise online. It strikes me that they would be less inclined to drug a client at their place. Has anyone heard of a guy being scoped at the girl's residence?

There is a lot of comments about the crime in Medellin and how unsafe the city can be but there is a good side to all that crime. If Medellin was as safe as Thailand, the city would be swamped with foreigners. If you think it is bad now with the number of visitors to Medellin, wait until you see the numbers when Medellin is actually a safe city. At that point, you would be yearning for the "good old days" when Medellin was considered unsafe. Medellin is only 3 hours away from Florida. If people had little fear about the crime in Medellin, there would be more mongers coming to Medellin and the supply and demand factors would cause the prices to go even higher for the girls and they would be more popular.

So, be careful what you wish for!

Are the old mansion girls still working or all new folks.

Anyone still see these Giraldo sisters and old Pao Zapata.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/kelly.giraldo.3762/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/paz___paz/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/malejagiiraldo/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;2999974]Awesome advice and post! Thank you! Colombia is truly amazing. Is it really true that ALL Colombia women go down hill at a certain point. I mean there is Sophia Vergara, afterall. Normally I wouldn't be going after a 35 year old, but if she looks like her pics, my god is she gorgeous![/QUOTE]I know what you mean, and it is going to be a problem for many women later on. I met my gal when she was 32 and she has one of those crazy metabolisms such that she will never be fat. Her mother is still thin and a looker. We hung out with a lawyer friend of hers who is in her 50's and moves like she is in her 20's.

When we saw Shakira, what shocked me was she would do these crazy hard dance routines and would not take a break. I was like, why are you not breathing hard? Why are you not sweating? She was a fucking machine on stage and she is pushing 50 I think.

Even though she looks good now, I can see my gal's daughter and many of her classmates struggling later to stay fit and trim. She has this group of like nine other friends, and there are three of the ten that will probably always be thin. They tend to be high anxiety types that need to work out 2 hours in the gym a day to feel normal. One is a swimmer and the other two are dancers, and they love to swim or dance.

I am sure there are exceptions but in my experience if a woman can make it through her 20's and still look good, they will keep their looks.

[QUOTE=SurfLooker;3000170]Are the old mansion girls still working or all new folks.

Anyone still see these Giraldo sisters and old Pao Zapata.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/kelly.giraldo.3762/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/paz___paz/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/malejagiiraldo/[/URL][/QUOTE]The Mansion is gone as of last December, so no girls working there.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3000020]Hello- With all due respect you can't tell me what I know.[/QUOTE]I can tell you that do not know the motivation of every woman on seeking. In a FOMO world, it is a lot easier to look at the fees they charge and say the women on there are no different than anyone else. When you make a comment about women on that site, you are saying you do not need to do any of the shit testing whether she is a hooker or not, you just know.

In reality, I had one woman I met off seeking show up at a hotel with fluorescent orange short shorts, and the manager had a near seizure and demanded that I pay a guest fee. If you cannot pass the hooker shit test of a hotel manager, then can you imagine the eye rolls I would get with my friends if I said this was my GF?

Of the dozens of women I met off seeking in Colombia, there were three that could have withstood the shit testing onslaught. In contrast to Ms. Orange Shorts, the girl next door type I mentioned came to my hotel once, and the manager personally escorted her to my door and presented her to me like you would royalty and told me how lucky I was to have such a charming and intelligent girl.

It is one thing to say she is a hooker here. It is another to say it in the real world with someone like her who is that sweet, nice, and upbeat, everyone wishes she was their sister or daughter. If you called her a hooker in real life, everyone would look at you and think or say, "And WTF is YOUR problem, pal? ".

Of those three women, the one thing they all had in common was being screwed over by Colombian men. So when you made the comment, there are plenty of Colombian men, that is what I reacted to. They were not on seeking because of the money, although having a BF with money would not hurt, but because they did not want to date Colombian men.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3000040]In every country you go the women will complain about the local men and claim not to date them. Just look around Colombia and notice that you see almost no mixed foreign babies. So maybe they do not consider fucking as dating! Because they definitely did not just start fucking when they came in contact with foreigners.[/QUOTE]That is a good point. I think if the women right out of the gate wanted to date foreign men, it probably would be for money. We went to a YMCA type place to watch basketball, and I was impressed with how the Colombian boys carried themselves. They were skilled, well behaved, and humble. My gal's daughter and her friend let their hormones show, and were doing the female giggling thing when cute boys are around and I made them tell me who they liked.

My gal's daughter liked a guy with the number one on his Jersey, and the poor kid had a terrible game. I told her that the coach was going to take that #1 Jersey away and give him #99, and she needed to date a man with a better outside shot.

At that age or even two years from now, why would you any woman look to foreign men? It is when the boys knock up women and have to become men and providers that the character issues surface. Given their circumstances, it is really hard for many Colombian men to provide.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3000040]In every country you go the women will complain about the local men and claim not to date them. Just look around Colombia and notice that you see almost no mixed foreign babies. So maybe they do not consider fucking as dating! Because they definitely did not just start fucking when they came in contact with foreigners.[/QUOTE]So true! And they'll tell you they like guys like you (whether you are young, old, black, white, clean shaven or barbudo). It doesn't matter. You're their type!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3000040]In every country you go the women will complain about the local men and claim not to date them. Just look around Colombia and notice that you see almost no mixed foreign babies. So maybe they do not consider fucking as dating! Because they definitely did not just start fucking when they came in contact with foreigners.[/QUOTE]I have seen all skin colors in Medellin. It's not like the Philippines where it's just Asian people. You can tell there when people are mixed with Americans.

I'm not sure what changed, but suddenly I'm starting to hit on all these FB girls. It's like they can smell my arrival date. They are responding and agreeing to terms. I think what it was, is I finally came across the right girl with a good open list, and those are the ones that have been responding. It's a numbers game.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3000225] It's not like the Philippines where it's just Asian people. You can tell there when people are mixed with Americans.[/QUOTE]Please tell us how you can tell that anyone anywhere is mixed with an American just by looking at them. I'll wait. LOL. We might have to start calling you Newton York Jr.

Alright, so another great trip to Medellin, this time for "Semana Santa" yes, Holy week, from Palm Sunday through day after Easter Sunday, what a TERRIBLE time to go, right? No boys, it was alllllrrriiighhhhhtttt! .

Every single day there was plenty to choose from in Lleras and on Calle 10, even if it was down from peak times when I visited last summer.

So, that said, here we go:

Saturday - 4/12 - BOTERO VERY POOR QUALITY SELECTION. Not at all what it was last summer. Out of 100-200 girls milling about Botero, the side street down by the church, the main drag behind the church and back around, seriously only 6-10 were above a 5. Maybe. One what I would consider an 8 and she got scooped up immediately. I ended up with a cute, but plain somewhere in the 6-7 range in Botero - 20 yo Venezolana "Jay" - pequeña con cicatriz en las nalgas. First one I saw that was reasonably cute. Crazy life story of the last year. Poor girl had done the route from Venezuela to Colombia all the way through Central America, rode "La Bestia" through Mexico with her small child, got to just across from Eagle Pass, TX when her coyote (smuggler) got scared when he saw lights after they got across the river, ditched the group, who then walked through town until they found a Gringo who asked them if they needed him to call immigration. They all said yes, got taken to the holding center, then released and immediately deported. Ended up coming from Venezuela to Colombia to make some money and try to recoup what she'd dropped on the trip north. Oh and at some point, she stopped to take a piss by the border fence, got one of her ass cheeks hooked on the razor wire and has a thick scar to show for it! What a story.

Super nice body, even having had a kid, very affectionate, stroking my arm, playing with the hair on it, gave great service for the grand total of $65 k including the room fee. Craziness. Full 30 minutes, plus 15 snuggle time, since the front desk women forgot to come knock on the door. Felt like I stole time with her.

Friend I was traveling with didn't see anything he was interested in, so we got in a cab and went back to El Poblado. Rested, then ran to Parque Lleras.

Lleras. Catalina - Venezolana. Blanca - BBFS - $300 k. Pushed her to nearly 2 hours. She was WILD. White skinned girls are not my preference and she had a LOT of makeup, which is also not my thing, but when I asked if I could jam it in her raw, she said yes. After about 30 minutes of banging, she started begging for me to blast it inside her. I didn't do that, but thought about it. Went through several positions, bed and couch, finally wrapped up the session after 90 minutes. Didn't pop mainly because I was holding out for another session, if I could manage it. Showered up, paid her, went back to Lleras to meet my friend and had a couple of cold drinks to enjoy the weather.

Bug eyed skinny light skinned negra frizzy hair, orange dress. BBFS - Saw another cute girl, smoking hot body, completely forget her name, unimportant. SMOKING body. Very light skinned negra, flaca, small titties like I like them. She was on me from the moment we made eye contact, her with her semi-bug eyes and me with my gringo eyes. Went back and forth on stuff, but finally settled at $200 k for 1+ hours, maybe more time if we both decided. Ended up very similar to the blanca, lots of good oral, many positions, all raw, she finally looked over the shoulder and told me to blast it on her back. Ok, DONE, huge cumshot on her back, it was great. I was tired and ready to take a break. Showered again, back to Lleras for some food and drinks and puta runway show watching and then to bed. Saw this one in Lleras the next 2 evenings, but didn't repeat although in hindsight, would've been a good time, I'm sure.

Palm Sunday.

- Botero. Long ponytail flaca. This girl was SUPER cute, darker skinned girl, great makeup, really nice looking. Saw her, then went for a walk, lost track of her, so I had a nice meal at La Ancla (get any of their food cooked on the iron skillet, all was good, especially the chicken. Get the potatoes al vapor, very good, but were a little cool, so I plopped them onto the iron skillet which was scorching and bam, hot potatoes again. Anyway, I digress. As I finished eating, there she was again. Said she went for a "smoke". Sure honey, all good.

Took ponytail to the hotel above the mexican restaurant, which sadly has gone WAY downhill from 2 years ago, and even down from last summer. Sadness. She undresses and GODDAMN, nice body. Really good oral action, wouldn't do sin condon, so we strapped up and went for the full 30+ minutes. She tells me, in earshot of friends as we're leaving back into the place, "sexo muy rico! Yes, very good and all for only $65 k again. Ridiculous value.

Cab back to Lleras area. Sat down at Lleras Town, my favorite little bar / restaurant right at the T where the entrance from Calle 10 hits the middle of Parque Lleras. They have tables outside, let us play out own reggaeton on our speaker, had some mojitos and watched the show. Saw 2 girls that I referred to as "red and blue" because they had matching long thin dresses, one red, one blue. Decided to go for a walk around the area, didn't see anything better, but saw blue pissing in the corner of a building way at the south end of the zone, down around Hooters. Nice, she's a nasty girl!

Said Hello, to them, as she finished her business, which was kinda funny. Saw them later, a bit after midnight and they asked if I wanted to go with both of them. I said sure, since my friend had already made a selection and gone back to his room.

Red. Raw. Blue covered & raw. Both - Both girls were pretty and interested in action. They suggested we go to a nearby hotel, Hotel 6 right on Calle 10, and I was ready to go, so yeah, why not? Went to the room, they plugged a phone into the big speaker already in there, took a shower, then got to work. They each took turns sucking dick, I got lots of titty sucking, then I suggested to red that she jump on the cock. She was like, "sin condon? And I said, Yep! Her friend blue, was at that point playing DJ, so Red jumped right on and fucked me silly, whispering in my ear to not let her friend see that she was fucking me without a condom. That was a great experience and after we finished, they wanted to go eat and then maybe come back and do it again. Fine by me. We leave, go eat, come back and repeated, this time bareback with both of them. Although blue just had this seriously funny face the whole time, like wondering how the hell she ended up in this position in her life, almost a philosophical / quizzical look. Anyway, great time for round 2 with blue and red. They each said that since I paid for the room 2 x, they would take only $150 k each, which who was I to turn down. So a threesome, basically for only $300 k and well over 2 hours total. Granted, food, room and drinks cost were also paid, but yeah, great time for not a lot of money. Would definitely repeat. Sadly, didn't see either of them on any of the following nights, otherwise I'd definitely have gone with Red again. She was great.

Stefania?

Leave hotel 6, half drunk, wandering down Calle 10 on the way back to my hotel when I run into a girl I'd seen last summer. Curly / frizzy hair, great teeth, smoking hot body, and as I recalled, a GIANT pain in the ass (PITA). Super big complainer about everything: don't touch my titties too hard, don't suck on them (sad because they're beautiful), etc. , etc. , etc. She's just begging me to take her to my hotel, and because I hadn't busted yet, I was seriously thinking about it, but not if she was going to be a PITA. I told her that I recalled her being super difficult and unpleasant and I don't think we even fucked last year. And she said, no, we didn't because you're nasty. I said, well, nothing has changed, so why do you want to come with me? She's like, it's late (5 AM) and I've not gone with anyone yet. I replied, ok, fine, but here's the rules: you know what I want, you're going to give it to me, titty sucking, titty grabbing, fucking, blowjob, all without a condom and only $200 k. She flat says no, but keeps following me down the street. Finally she relents, but says she has to get $250 k. I'm like fine.

Get to the room, shower, get on the bed and the complaining begins. I told her, you agreed to the rules, stop bitching. She sort of whimpers agreement, gets to sucking the cock very well, lets me play with her pussy, which is wet as fuck, super beautiful watching her suck my cock with her pretty face in full view, finally I make her get on top and she immediately starts complaining that she's too tight, this that and the other. I tell her to "callate" and she does, face all twisted up, starts moaning, gets wetter and wetter, and finally I throw her down on the bed and fuck her from behind, busting a giant nut all over her back. It was fantastic.

Weirdly, the power play dynamic with her made the whole thing hotter. She wanted to control everything, but seemed to get excited when I made her comply. So it was weird, but really fun. The best part was, as she's walking out of the lobby and onto the sidewalk, she says, "You know, I hate you, I really do. " To which I replied, I know, I love you too. We both laughed and she said she'd look for me tomorrow night. Yeah, right!

Monday. Susana - masajista Jade Palce Spa Massage Parlor and Eliza. Pelo rizo. Pure GFE.

Woke up late morning, had a great breakfast, my friend and I decided to try Jade Palace Spa Massage place. Walk in, the cute girl behind the desk holds out a phone with a screen full of available services and prices. One of them was "sex massage", basically a massage, plus sex. $200 k for 30 minutes, $300 k for 1 hour, there is a 4 hand option, I can't recall the price, but basically a little less than double of the single masajista price. I chose Susana, a big ass Venezolana, with a beautiful smile. In her massage outfit, it kinda looked like she had smaller tits, but that was NOT the case. I get into the room, undress while she goes to get her stuff. She gets me situated on the table, cleans off my feet, ball sack, dick and a few areas, put some massage oil on her hands and went to work on my feet, moving up my lower legs to my thighs, butt, back, then flipped and rubbed my chest, shoulders and arms. The front rub came after removing her bra, which at this point revealed surprisingly large tits! Actually a pretty nice massage all in all, probably 35 minutes. After the massage she went and washed her hands to remove the oil, came back and proceeded to gently rub my dick area, then started stroking it gently, then a little more forcefully till it was fully up. Put the condom on, sucked it very nice and thoroughly, then I told her I wanted her on top. No worries, she climbed on top, stuck the dick in and started riding. Went this way for a good 15 minutes or so, which was amazing because those tits were just swaying and I could see her face clearly as well, which was great. Finally, I put her "en cuatro", with the added bonus of being able to watch her in the mirror to our left, which is how I noticed she was staring at me via the mirror. I could see her tits swaying beautifully as I'm hitting it from behind, big ass just rippling with the backshots, super great. Finished in the condom, took a shower, which was nice. She stood by, helped get soap, rubbed my back a little, helped me dry off, went back got dressed and done.

In short, yeah, the sex massage was great. Definitely thought I'd repeat, but shockingly didn't!

Went back to the room, took a nap, then my friend and I went back to Lleras Town for a dinner / snack, which was chicarron de pollo. Basically little fried chicken pieces, served with onions and peppers in a vinegar base. Sounds odd, but tasted incredible.

As an aside, Lleras Town is probably my favorite place because the staff are great (Rafael. Big Venezuelan guy, can't miss him, great personality, speaks really good English; Cesar. Also great guy and so-so English; Andres. Skinny Colombian guy probably 22 or so, and then Liliana, goes by Lili. Very cute Venezuelan girl). The food is good, the empanadas were good, but be sure to get the aji salsa. It's freaking incredible. Aji is a pepper apparently. Spicy, but also super flavorful salsa that we put on anything and everything. Cannot beat it. Prices are STEEP for Colombia, but yeah, you're right at the park, and DIRECTLY on the loop where if you sit at the tables outside you will see every single girl walk by at least 2-3-5 times because it's right at the center of the park and straight down the short street from a Calle 10 entrance into Lleras.

Anyway, got food and drinks and after a while paid the bill and went for a walk, where I encountered.

Eliza. Pelo rizo. Pure GFE. This girl reminded me so much of a slightly less pretty Naomi Schiff (look her up, incredible). Anyway, made eye contact with her, went around the park, came back and she was still there. Realized that I wasn't going to get better and took her to my room. Fucking wet as hell and SUPER into it. All condom sex, pretty decent blowjob, went through all the positions, then took a break, started again and went another 30+ minutes. I swear she squirted, the left side of my bed was soaking wet. At the end it was probably 1. 5 hours total time together and I paid her $300 k. Ended up seeing her and her friends a couple of nights later, but only took them for chicken at the rotisserie place on Calle 10. Nearly took her back again, but the many drinks I had that night made me not do it.

Tuesday. Aimy - Luna Lunera.

After sleeping in, my friend and I took a taxi from Parque El Poblado over to Laureles neighborhood. Parque No 1 was the dropoff point. Walked around a lot, so he could get a feel for it, stopped for an ice cream sundae and then looked at our phones to see what various options were. We had been talking about going to Fase Dos, but decided instead to go to Luna Lunera as it was closer. My buddy says, as we were paying the cab, "Uh oh, lots of bad reviews. " I said, hey, let's check with the guards / entry personnel, see how many are there, and then we can decide if we want to go in or not. They tell us 6 girls now, more in like an hour, $10 k cover each, and beers were $25 k or something for Coronas. Ok, we'll check it out. We go in, get our beers, the guy goes to the back, tells the girls to come out and my friend and I both were like, "OK! Shoot if this is the be team, what the hell does the A team look like!? All 6 were good loooking, nothing lower than a 7 in my book, from light skin and big ass Venezolana to darker skin, hair, etc. I ended up chatting with Aimy / Aimee / Amy, getting the details. She says, $220 k cash for 30 minutes in the upstairs room, or $300 k for close to an hour. I didn't want to rush, so I almost went for the $300 k, but she says, let's go with 30 and if you want to go longer, we can do that. Ok, cool. Paid the $220 k. Went upstairs, where she did a quick shower to freshen up, wiped me down with her handy pack of wipes, then we got to it. If you get the chance to see Aimy, definitely do it, she's got an ass to absolutely die for, one of the best ever. Tits are nice too, but the ass is spectacular. Went through all the standard activities, positions, etc. , but like so many, she wanted to finish in doggy. What a great view, that beautiful ass just moving with each pounding stroke, nothing better, plus she was gripping the sheets, the pillow, the headboard, just moaning and groaning. Everything great. We finished, cleaned up, she took me downstairs where I had a Corona while waiting for my friend to finish with his choice. We both agreed that the quality, selection and price were of very good value and we thought we'd come back again, but didn't. Similar to the massage place.

Wednesday. Parque Lleras only.

Valentina. Slim dark skin deeper voice Venezolana. Went back to the room after Luna Lunera, took a short nap, then went out to Lleras for a repeat at Lleras Town (VENGAAAA! And then did a walk through the park and then sat down at LicorExpress across from the park's NW corner. Great vantage point. If you get a table right by the 3 step entrance, you get the best view of the parade of girls walking around, posted up at that corner of the park, etc. Great spot. Watched for a while, when Valentina walked by and stroked my arm that I had rested on the wall / fence. We exchanged words, but didn't go much further. I'd already gotten her number a couple of days prior and she'd tried to get me to go with her, but I hadn't. This day she looked particularly good, so I decided to take her to the room. Pretty great body, slightly deeper voice, which I like, sexy smoker's voice, and her performance was satisfactory, but for a 19 year old, I would need a lot more enthusiasm to justify going with her again. $300 k for 1. 5 hours, it was probably more than I should've paid, but whatever.

Went back to Lleras Town, had a mojito when a friend of another working girl that I've known for nearly 3+ years plied me with her charms.

Julie. Light skinned Venezolana short friend of Veronica's. Nothing really here to write home about. Short, probably 27 years old, white skinned Venezolana. Pretty face, braces, great body, not much in the way of enthusiasm or desire beyond the usual. All in all completely satisfactory. Had talked her down from $300 k to $200 k, so I didn't feel it was a waste of time or money for the 1-1. 5 hours I got from her.

Thursday early AM.

Didn't bust from either of these girls, and was going to go home at 4 AM on Thursday when I ran into. Analucia 2 x. Slim 29 beautiful frizzy hair. I called her "the MILF" because she's 29 and does seem more mature than the younger ones you see all over Lleras. I'd exchanged glances with her earlier in the night, and seen her around as we were making our laps, but just didn't connect with her at any point prior because we were just being silly wandering around, handing out lollipops to anyone and everyone, fucking around with the "touts" repeating their sales pitches back to them, just generally being stupid, but to us it was funny. Both of us were like, "man, we need to find a girl and head home", I was walking down Calle 10 heading back to the hotel when I ran into MILF librarian and I told my friend, "I'm taking the MILF home", done and done.

Wow, is this girl a talker! We get back to the room, I'm like 4 mojitos and probably 4 Coronas down at this point, so I'm not at all coherent or cohesive, but we had a great conversation and she got a lot of personal information out of me. At one point she says, "I'm enjoying being with you so much, I'm just SOOOOO WET" and indeed she was. I had no idea pure naked conversation could get a girl going like this, but damn, ok. We strap up and she gets on top and not kidding, our parts were a PERFECT match for each other. Like a mold was made one for the other. She is just sopping wet, where just moving up and down was making the beautiful slapping / sloshing sound, ti was incredible. We fuck for a good 1+ hour, going through all the motions and then I finish. I'd talked her into staying all night for $400 k with the possibility of a tip if she was greatl, and she was. Stayed from just after 4 AM till about 11:30 AM and we repeated 2 more times in the morning. She had to head home to meet her cousin who was coming in from out of town, but we said we'd keep in touch for later that day or maybe the next.

Didn't end up meeting back up with her till Saturday evening into Sunday morning and then again Sunday night into Monday morning, both all nighters and both fantastic, just like the first night. All in all the best "wifed up" experience of the trip. Really great, even if she would do ZERO oral and everything was covered. Just her enthusiasm, desire, sex appeal, intelligence and conversation was enough for me to repeat 2 times after the first and as I always say, I NEVER REPEAT unless they're special and she was.

Good Friday early evening: standard routine of sleeping in till about 11 AM, getting a lunch, then heading out to Lleras. Lunch on Good Friday was at Mar why Fuego and WOW, super good. My friend got the NY Strip and I got a pork chop that had been marinated for hours and served in a cast iron mini dutch oven. Both were super tasty. Later we took a nap, then headed to Lleras Town. Sat down, had some more chicharrones de pollo (I know, weird concept), plus some drinks and sat listening to our own speaker with the people / girls around us dancing. Great fun! After a while, we pay our bill and go for a walk. Up the hill to the east, heading toward the Marquee Hotel / the east end of the park, I run across Jessika. Tattooed Rola PSE raw. This girl is WILD. She's got glasses, tattoos on her face, on her ass, on her arms and hands, and is generally NOT the type I would go with. HOWEVER, even though I'd seen her before and had brushed her off, this time I took a few moments to actually chat with her and she's super cute. Her makeup was spectacularly done, she just came across as incredibly fun and flirtatious and so I got her whatsapp. It doesn't hurt that her Bogota / Rola accent is just so freaking cute. I wish I could mimic it well, but oh my. Over the to cute. She messaged me about 30 minutes later wanting to know when I was taking her to my room, that she had some fantasies that she'd like to complete "with a man like you" and yadda yadda. Anyway, messaged back to see how much, she say $300 k. I'm like yeah, fuck it, meet me at the west end of the park and we'll go. Oh my god. Wow. She got naked, washed up a little in the shower, I did the same, and then she said, "I want you to dominate me". Uh, yeah, ok. She wants to blow me on her knees on the bare floor, while I pull her head down on my cock as hard as possible till she gags on the deepthroat. Ok, sure. Then she says, get your phone and film. Ok, done. She does a whole porno acting scene of coming in the door, walking to my bed, pushing me back on the bed, sucking the cock while I make her gag on it, etc. Then she just jumps on it. No talk of condom, just goes straight cowgirl. Perfect. Then she wants me to fuck her doggy on the couch, done. Then she wants more gagging, done. And on and on and on for almost 2 hours. It was complete craziness. Then she says, I want you to keep pounding me and when you're ready, cum on my face. Ok baby, whatever you want. At this point in the week, I've shot a LOT of loads and I know it's going to be small, but I tried to build up the tension as long as possible in the hopes I might get a single roper, but yeah, it was a good shot that bounced off her cheek and landed on her left shoulder and arm and then another nice dribble that ended up on her tits. Honestly, not a roper, but a decent one considering how much leche I've dumped the week to this point. Shockingly, I wasn't ready to sleep at nearly 2 AM, so I went BACK OUT TO LLERAS.

God I'm a dumbass and a glutton for pussy, but whatever. Wandering around, didn't really see anything until I saw Elizeth. Beautiful black girl from Cali. Standing in the little strip of greenery in front of Hotel Charlee. Weird position and it was obvious she'd had a few hits of ganja. But wow, cute as all fuck and asked if we could go across the street for a drink. Sure thing sweetie, no problem. We go to the place next to Donde Aquellos, I forget the name and we sit down for a drink with some nice puffed what snacks on the side. Goddamn those things are great. Anyway, we're both drinking, vibing out to the music, I'm rubbing her fantastic track star thighs, staring at her gorgeous face and she just leans in and plants one on me. OH HELL YES. Engaged in some spectacular making out over the next 30-40 minutes, another drink, more snacks, more body rubbing, I get a little nipple sucking in on the sly, then we head back to the room. Honestly after all that build up, the sex was a bit of a letdown. Not because she wasn't great body-wise or attitude wise, because she was at the top of the list, along with 2 others, just fantastic in all regards. But she's very young, obviously not that experienced, so she just let me run the show. So it was less interactive, and I'm sure some of that was due to the hour. At this point it was somewhere around 3-4 AM and we're both tired, but I'm still horny as fuck so I am able to get it up and we fuck for a good 1 hour plus. At close to 5 AM, we're both worn out and it's obvio I'm not going to bust a nut, so we call it quits, I walk her downstairs to her InDriver, she gives me a beautiful good night kiss and I concluded one of the better days of the whole trip!

MISSING ONE. Day and time. Lost track of the day, but somewhere during the week about 5 AM. Late night / early morning mistake. Eva / Naika negra. Flaca - I ran into this girl, took her to Hotel 6 on Calle 10. Cheap, close to $200 k, she was high as fuck, probably Tussi, and as a result, it was just a "her staring at the ceiling, me fucking her, her slightly moaning" 30 minute session. For only $200 k I wasn't disappointed, but it damn sure could've been better.

Saturday and Sunday. Both Analucia, the frizzy haired MILF. See above. Both overnight visits, both $500 k, both multiple fuck sessions in between sleeping and snuggling, excellent experience! Grand total of $1,500,000 for her 3 overnights, meaning 4-6 hours each session, multiple fucks each session, and at least 2 pops each time. Well worth the money in my opinion. Great GFE with her and I'd do it again if I saw her tonight. Very sweet, smart girl, great conversation, top flight experience.

So all in, if I did my counting correctly, 17 different girls in approximately 9 days, which I'm completely happy with.

Final conclusions: Botero / Centro. Poor quality. Maybe due to Semana Santa. VERY slim pickings and 3 separate visits on 3 straight days only turned up 2 worth doing. This was the least I've ever run into in all my trips to Medellin and visits to El Centro. Same low price, however, $60 k including room cost, for a short time 20-30 minutes. I did get lucky and got no knock on the first one, so it stretched beyond that, but plan for 20-30 minutes tops. Truly for value, you can't beat it, IF you can find something worth fucking,.

Lleras girls. Nearly ALL start at $400 k. If you straight turn them down, or say, "I'll think about it" or whatever, and JUST WALK AWAY, they will come down, almost immediately to $350 k, then $300 k then if they're desperate (I. E. No clients and it's getting late and they need to get something before paying for an InDrive home), you might get down to $250 k or $200 k. If you're really a tightass, hold out, they'll come to you. Some won't, but most will.

Lleras girls. MUCH higher quality this trip. There were just so few that I would flat out turn away, a handful at best. And I would include the 3-4 obvious trannies. Goddamn, they can swing their ass better than the women. One came up to my friend, stroked his arm, then talked and it was straight out of a comedy show, deep voice "Roberto". She didn't say that, but it was exactly like that scene. Anyway, high, high quality women out in Lleras and in decent quantity every night but one, and this was DURING HOLY WEEK! I mean, come on now. That's craziness.

Unexpected surprises: Luna Lunera. Great experience with a be team member, honestly want to see what the night shift / A team has to offer, especially on a weekend. Don't let the negative Google reviews deter you, we had a great time.

Massage "sex" girl near Lleras. Also top flight experience that I was NOT expecting. Definitely want to do that again, with the small darker skinned one that was there, or honestly whoever I happen to get as a choice. Much better than expected.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3000195]It is when the boys knock up women and have to become men and providers that the character issues surface. Given their circumstances, it is really hard for many Colombian men to provide.[/QUOTE]It is not hard for them to provide. From what the women tell me, the guy leaves her for another chick and makes a new family with her who he has no problem providing for. He forgets about the kid he made in the previous relationship leaving the kid and and the previous lady to fin for themselves.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;3000259]Alright, so another great trip to Medellin, this time for "Semana Santa" yes, Holy week, from Palm Sunday through day after Easter Sunday, what a TERRIBLE time to go, right? No boys, it was alllllrrriiighhhhhtttt! .

Every single day there was plenty to choose from in Lleras and on Calle 10, even if it was down from peak times when I visited last summer.

So, that said, here we go:

Saturday - 4/12 - BOTERO VERY POOR QUALITY SELECTION. Not at all what it was last summer. Out of 100-200 girls milling about Botero, the side street down by the church, the main drag behind the church and back around, seriously only 6-10 were above a 5. Maybe. One what I would consider an 8 and she got scooped up immediately. I ended up with a cute, but plain somewhere in the 6-7 range in Botero - 20 yo Venezolana "Jay" - pequea con cicatriz en las nalgas. First one I saw that was reasonably cute. Crazy life story of the last year. Poor girl had done the route from Venezuela to Colombia all the way through Central America, rode "La Bestia" through Mexico with her small child, got to just across from Eagle Pass, TX when her coyote (smuggler) got scared when he saw lights after they got across the river, ditched the group, who then walked through town until they found a Gringo who asked them if they needed him to call immigration. They all said yes, got taken to the holding center, then released and immediately deported. Ended up coming from Venezuela to Colombia to make some money and try to recoup what she'd dropped on the trip north. Oh and at some point, she stopped to take a piss by the border fence, got one of her ass cheeks hooked on the razor wire and has a thick scar to show for it! What a story.[/QUOTE]Wow. Great report. You give hope that perhaps prices are as inflated as others have stated. Couple questions: Are you a grigo? Also, you must be fluent in Spanish with all the deep connections you formed, right? Lastly, you seemed very experienced with Medellin.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3000236]I'm not sure what changed, but suddenly I'm starting to hit on all these FB girls. It's like they can smell my arrival date. They are responding and agreeing to terms. I think what it was, is I finally came across the right girl with a good open list, and those are the ones that have been responding. It's a numbers game.[/QUOTE]Honestly, you just need two names to get started. Go into the facebook search type in Valentina, then select "people" then select "city" and set the city you are in. Apparently, you're not allowed to be named Valentina and not be hot and in scantily clad outfits.

Next repeat the same process with the name Veronica. Not quite as much action as Valentina but pretty close.

This will get your lists going.

What I've realized is if you message a girl you should start off every convo with "Cuantos anos tienes?" Because many profiles do not have age listed which is not good.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;3000259]...... gave great service for the grand total of $65 k including the room fee. Craziness. Full 30 minutes......[/QUOTE]You beat me by $5 K. Banged Vennie Michelle for 30 minutes at Aiffe for total of $70 K.

Great report.

Hey guys anyone have a nice restaurant recommendation in the Poblado area where I can take a working girl and they won't frown upon it or it will be less obvious?

[QUOTE=Nomars777;3000259]Alright, so another great trip to Medellin, this time for "Semana Santa" yes, Holy week, from Palm Sunday through day after Easter Sunday, what a TERRIBLE time to go, right? No boys, it was alllllrrriiighhhhhtttt! .

Every single day there was plenty to choose from in Lleras and on Calle 10, even if it was down from peak times when I visited last summer.

So, that said, here we go:

Saturday - 4/12 - BOTERO VERY POOR QUALITY SELECTION. Not at all what it was last summer. Out of 100-200 girls milling about Botero, the side street down by the church, the main drag behind the church and back around, seriously only 6-10 were above a 5. Maybe. One what I would consider an 8 and she got scooped up immediately. I ended up with a cute, but plain somewhere in the 6-7 range in Botero - 20 yo Venezolana "Jay" - pequea con cicatriz en las nalgas. First one I saw that was reasonably cute. Crazy life story of the last year. Poor girl had done the route from Venezuela to Colombia all the way through Central America, rode "La Bestia" through Mexico with her small child, got to just across from Eagle Pass, TX when her coyote (smuggler) got scared when he saw lights after they got across the river, ditched the group, who then walked through town until they found a Gringo who asked them if they needed him to call immigration. They all said yes, got taken to the holding center, then released and immediately deported. Ended up coming from Venezuela to Colombia to make some money and try to recoup what she'd dropped on the trip north. Oh and at some point, she stopped to take a piss by the border fence, got one of her ass cheeks hooked on the razor wire and has a thick scar to show for it! What a story...[/QUOTE]Got to say. You are a machine man. All of these 1 hour, 90 minute, and 2 hour sessions, back to back. Are you taking vitamins? How old are you? Jeez, man, I'm in awe. And obviously the girls are happy because they are all letting you go raw back in the room, meaning they are into it. Well done! Wow.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3000369]What I've realized is if you message a girl you should start off every convo with "Cuantos anos tienes?" Because many profiles do not have age listed which is not good.[/QUOTE]Well you better make sure to put a tilde over the "and", or else you have just asked how many assholes she has.

Thanks, yeah, I do love Botero, my friend however wasn't feeling it at all. Little too grungy for him.

But Botero can offer exceptional value if you can find a girl that meets your standards, which on this last trip was VERY few chicas, sadly.

Last summer, much much better selection in Botero.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3000390]You beat me by $5 K. Banged Vennie Michelle for 30 minutes at Aiffe for total of $70 K.

Great report.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nomars777;3000259]Get to the room, shower, get on the bed and the complaining begins. I told her, you agreed to the rules, stop bitching. ... It was fantastic.[/QUOTE]Always enjoy reading your report. The girl is testing your boundary and you see two different versions of her. Sometimes nice does not work. LOL.

[QUOTE=AstroMan;3000406]Hey guys anyone have a nice restaurant recommendation in the Poblado area where I can take a working girl and they won't frown upon it or it will be less obvious?[/QUOTE]If the girl does not know where to go, then she may not dress appropriately. It maybe more productive to order Rappi to your place.

[QUOTE=AstroMan;3000406]Hey guys anyone have a nice restaurant recommendation in the Poblado area where I can take a working girl and they won't frown upon it or it will be less obvious?[/QUOTE]Any of them, it's Poblado. 50% of all couples in the restaurants are a dude with a prepaga girl. Otherwise, they would most likely not be eating in Poblado. Ok, I'm obviously exagerating percentages, but as long as you ain't taking in a street urchin, the girls will dress appropriately for a restaurant date and many who don't are smart enough to bring a jacket they can wear to go into any fancy place.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3000163]I have felt perfectly safe going to the apartment of chicas who advertise online. It strikes me that they would be less inclined to drug a client at their place. Has anyone heard of a guy being scoped at the girl's residence?[/QUOTE]I'd be more concerned about the neighborhood you have to enter to get to and then to leave their apartment. So, a big no. I prefer my own controlled environment.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3000281]It is not hard for them to provide. From what the women tell me, the guy leaves her for another chick and makes a new family with her who he has no problem providing for. He forgets about the kid he made in the previous relationship leaving the kid and and the previous lady to fin for themselves.[/QUOTE]I am sure the dumped women say it is all the man's fault. It seems like it is genetic programming after having a kid for women to look at men like an ATM and sperm donor and if they do not knock that belief off, then their man is going to leave them. The difference in Colombia and the USA is the women do not often have a legal system to go cry to and claim victim status for $. If the men were such losers, why would other women take then in?

I actually respect the few women who say that after having children they overindulged their children and neglected their man.

As for why Colombian women are interested in foreign men, money IMO is #1. The much less common one, but it does happen, is because the Colombian women are so tried of the antics of Colombian men.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3000568]I am sure the dumped women say it is all the man's fault. It seems like it is genetic programming after having a kid for women to look at men like an ATM and sperm donor and if they do not knock that belief off, then their man is going to leave them. The difference in Colombia and the USA is the women do not often have a legal system to go cry to and claim victim status for $. If the men were such losers, why would other women take then in?[/QUOTE]Couldn't that be said about your own girlfriend? Or is that different because she is your girlfriend? If her ex was such a loser, then how did he ever get another girlfriend? Or has he not had another in the past 16 years? We are all humans and different things float our boats as individuals.

I agree it's all about the girl and her choice of attire. If she isn't able or willing to tone it down and cover up then you should find another girl or stick to bedroom activities with her. I personally find it entertaining to watch the reactions of business owners and other customers when an unsuspecting punter rolls into an upscale place with a downscale pro. They don't generally enjoy it. Places like El Botanico and its sister restaurants, mostly around Provenza (La Cruda, Criminal, Burdo, Oni, etc.), are very tolerant because their formula is party places that also serve food. No one bats an eye when punters pull up with roadkill. The places like oci. Mde, La Provincia, and Cafe LE Gris are less welcoming.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3000457]Any of them, it's Poblado. 50% of all couples in the restaurants are a dude with a prepaga girl. Otherwise, they would most likely not be eating in Poblado. Ok, I'm obviously exagerating percentages, but as long as you ain't taking in a street urchin, the girls will dress appropriately for a restaurant date and many who don't are smart enough to bring a jacket they can wear to go into any fancy place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3000459]I'd be more concerned about the neighborhood you have to enter to get to and then to leave their apartment. So, a big no. I prefer my own controlled environment.[/QUOTE]Not all the girls live in suspect neighborhoods. However, when, for any reason, I have to enter a barrio that looks possibly problematic, I generally take a taxi/uber to and fro during daylight hours, which is when I visit. Nothing wrong with gents having different styles.

Quick answers: Gringo. Yes 100%; fluent. Pretty good, definitely intermediate; this was my 8th trip to Medellin, my first was in 2008 then a huge gap (marriage kids, divorce, etc.) until I went back again in 2022 and 6 more times in the last 3 years.

Longer answers on related topics:

I'm 55, short at 5'5", the girls say I'm handsome, so I'll take that, and have blue eyes, I workout almost every day and I generally am presentable and wear a nice cologne, so I smell good.

So 2 strikes against, 3-4 strikes for, but I really believe that everything starts, for me at least, with a solid conversation in Spanish, with us maintaining eye contact. It changes the equation. If I say no to their price, I'm doing it with eye contact and basically letting them feel what could be. If they like the energy between us, their price almost immediately comes down, because they like the idea of fucking me for maybe a little less money than they'd charge to fuck the fat / obese guy who is by no means handsome, and doesn't smell all that good (saw a lot of those in / around Lleras and I almost felt sad for them knowing they came down to fuck girls that they'd have no chance at with back home and they realized it wasn't going to be much, if any, easier in MDE due to their appearance, smell, etc.) It all comes down to an A vs. Be situation. If I'm A and I meet a lot of their preferred boxes, then they'll choose me, even for less money, than be for more money. Really is that simple.

I think you meant prices are not as inflated as others have stated. My opinion is that prices are super variable, depending on the individual interaction happening at the specific point in time. Starting point for Lleras girls, many told me this, is $100 USD, which they interpret as $400 k Colombian pesos. Realizing $400 k is closer to $93 USD at current exchange rates, but I'm not going to tell them that.

Truly, prices are set by the girl at the moment, with the guy in question. I would see passport bros walk up to a girl, basically say "Hola", then immediately go to their phones and the translate app. The girls confirmed for me that it's always, "Wow, you're hot, how much, how long?" Which obviously IS the point of why we're there, but it does leave the girls feeling even more like a piece of meat in the butcher shop, which to them doesn't feel so good. One told me, I know I'm "puteando" and I do it with the intention of providing great service for my asking price, but the way these guys approach me, it makes me feel not great.

Again, I'm not judging, if you don't speak Spanish, what other option do you have? None, all good, I get it. But as my friend said during our trip, "Wow, interactions with the girls with you involved are so much different!" Yeah, because I do not involve my phone in any interaction with any of them. My Spanish probably low intermediate to high intermediate. I can have fairly detailed conversations on a great variety of topics, but it's by no means perfect. The difference is, as again my friend related when he thew down a great pickup lines in English, staring deep into my eyes, I was like damn that's good. Now how does that translate through a phone? It doesn't really because you're not maintaining eye contact and laying down your smooth lines. The difference is very, very real. Even the little cute chica at the beer shop next to glow was like, "You talk like a paisa, that's so great, and you're super cute!" She's adorable and far too complimentary. Do I really have any chance with her? Unlikely, but just the fact that our interaction is registering on a deeper level gives me a leg up.

What being able to interact in Spanish also does, and this to me is important, is I can immediately weed out the overworked hoes who all the Passport Bros and others have run through but who also have a bad attitude, a rushed "leche papi" attitude, etc, because I can lay down my rules ahead of time, kinda like an interview. No rushing, more affectionate / GFE, more time, more positions, etc. And believe me, there are a bunch of "ilusiones" who look fucking amazing, but once you get them in the room, it's like fucking a wooden plank. Zero emotion, zero affection (not even any acting, shit I realize we're acting her, so just act, please), zero anything other than uh, uh, dame leche papi, uh, uh. Horrible and a waste of money. There was 1 pair of 2 girls in particular constantly posted up just across from GLOW who looked like the proverbial brick shithouse, just incredible bodies, but zero personality and I could immediately tell, nope. Not going to happen. Why even waste a flyer on trying them when simply talking to them told me all I needed to know.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3000360]Wow. Great report. You give hope that perhaps prices are as inflated as others have stated. Couple questions: Are you a grigo? Also, you must be fluent in Spanish with all the deep connections you formed, right? Lastly, you seemed very experienced with Medellin.[/QUOTE]

So, I like the idea of meeting an online girl and taking her to lunch to see the connection. But what are the expectations here? If I don't like her, and say no, is she going to lose her shit for going out to lunch. Does she want me to pay her to take her to lunch?

And while we are on the topic, what is typical in Medellin (payment before or after). In the US, SugarBabies (Tinder, Seeking) always accept payment after. Hookers accept payment before. I imagine it is similar here, no?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3000633]Couldn't that be said about your own girlfriend? Or is that different because she is your girlfriend? If her ex was such a loser, then how did he ever get another girlfriend? Or has he not had another in the past 16 years? We are all humans and different things float our boats as individuals.[/QUOTE]Mr. E, you always are with the I have it all figured out comebacks. Sorry, I have known my gal for 4 years and I judge her based on what I see and how she treats me. I do not judge women based on the comments of their ex BFs. I guess you do.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3000704]When you see asians with freckles or with blue eyes. I went to school with a girl who had blond hair and blue eyes. For years I thought she was white. As it turned out her dad who is white met a much younger Filipina and married her.

In the freelance bars sometimes you'll see a girl who is half black.[/QUOTE]I mean you prob never know 100% but you can make assumptions for very light skin latina's with euro features and or eye color. It's not crazy to make some kinds of leap, but yeah, never 100% sure.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3000704]When you see asians with freckles or with blue eyes. I went to school with a girl who had blond hair and blue eyes. For years I thought she was white. As it turned out her dad who is white met a much younger Filipina and married her.[/QUOTE]My girlfriend is 100% Thai and has freckles. How often do see someone in Asia with blue eyes? There may be 10,000 mixed people standing next to each other and your only metrics are the ones you see with freckles or blue eyes? So you were maybe able to pick 3 of the 10,000 out as being mixed.

I was at the motorbike shop one night where I live in Thailand having some work done on my bike. Some guys who work at a club came up in a group. One guy who looked like a regular Thai guy had on a name tag that said Kevin. I don't know why I got such a kick out of that. I thought to myself that his dad must be Irish.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;3000691]Quick answers: Gringo. Yes 100%; fluent. Pretty good, definitely intermediate; this was my 8th trip to Medellin, my first was in 2008 then a huge gap (marriage kids, divorce, etc.) until I went back again in 2022 and 6 more times in the last 3 years.

Longer answers on related topics:

I'm 55, short at 5'5", the girls say I'm handsome, so I'll take that, and have blue eyes, I workout almost every day and I generally am presentable and wear a nice cologne, so I smell good.

So 2 strikes against, 3-4 strikes for, but I really believe that everything starts, for me at least, with a solid conversation in Spanish, with us maintaining eye contact. It changes the equation. If I say no to their price, I'm doing it with eye contact and basically letting them feel what could be. If they like the energy between us, their price almost immediately comes down, because they like the idea of fucking me for maybe a little less money than they'd charge to fuck the fat / obese guy who is by no means handsome, and doesn't smell all that good (saw a lot of those in / around Lleras and I almost felt sad for them knowing they came down to fuck girls that they'd have no chance at with back home and they realized it wasn't going to be much, if any, easier in MDE due to their appearance, smell, etc.) It all comes down to an A vs. Be situation. If I'm A and I meet a lot of their preferred boxes, then they'll choose me, even for less money, than be for more money. Really is that simple..[/QUOTE]Nice report brother. Any chance you know the prices of Gustos these days? Is the club down the street of Gustos still open? I think it was actually called Parque Lleras for awhile.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3000722]My girlfriend is 100% Thai and has freckles. How often do see someone in Asia with blue eyes? There may be 10,000 mixed people standing next to each other and your only metrics are the ones you see with freckles or blue eyes? So you were maybe able to pick 3 of the 10,000 out as being mixed.

I was at the motorbike shop one night where I live in Thailand having some work done on my bike. Some guys who work at a club came up in a group. One guy who looked like a regular Thai guy had on a name tag that said Kevin. I don't know why I got such a kick out of that. I thought to myself that his dad must be Irish.[/QUOTE]You don't really know the exact lineage of your "100% " Thai girlfriend. I was talking about Phillipines they are mixed with Spanish. So, you really don't know. My grandmother was black and had green eyes. We are still trying find out how far back that goes.

I know people who are black who can pass for white? What's your point? LOL.

I'm not catching my chickens before they are hatched. But I just found a girl from seeking who lives outside of Medellin. She is very cute, submissive, down for threesomes, no condoms, etc. I told her I will be picking a girl to come over for an hour each day and she's going to participate. She said I need to spoil her though. And before I could even throw out a price she said 1 million for 3 days. Not 1 million per day. For 3 days. Then she said, "But you also have to pay for my food while I'm there. " Not only that, she didn't ask me to send her money to buy the ticket. I told her I would buy the ticket and send her the details. Now, of course she could be using me for a ticket to Medillin, but that's really not the vibe I'm getting. This is like a dream come true. I'm going to be on my computer searching and messaging girls to come over, while she's sucking on my pole, and know when they get there it's a full lesbian threesome. I already told her I might have her stay Tuesday through Sunday for 2 million, and she said you tell me.

Is the best angle now to look for girls outside of Medellin who aren't jaded. I think it might be.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3000695]So, I like the idea of meeting an online girl and taking her to lunch to see the connection. But what are the expectations here? If I don't like her, and say no, is she going to lose her shit for going out to lunch. Does she want me to pay her to take her to lunch?

And while we are on the topic, what is typical in Medellin (payment before or after). In the US, SugarBabies (Tinder, Seeking) always accept payment after. Hookers accept payment before. I imagine it is similar here, no?[/QUOTE]Usually they want you to pay first but some of the more chill ones will not bring it up until after. I'd say 8/10 want you to pay before. I was with a girl from lleras just now though and I tried to pay her beforehand and she like pushed the money back into my wallet and told me to pay her after LOL. That was a first. My suspicion would be that with some bumble girls it might be the opposite.

For bumbl I wouldn't offer to pay her to take her to lunch LOL. If she wants to use a dating app to find clients I feel like she'll be down to go on a date unless she's the type who just gives you a price right away. Every situations different I guess.

But as for the second part, no need to tell her no in person LOL. Just say you have plans after lunch and will message her later. And then either ghost her or text her. That's how my generation does it for normal dates haha. And it's not really ghosting because she's not emotionally invested.

I just went to a casa yesterday for anal and the girl asked me afterwards if we could go out sometime lmao. She was nice but I wasn't interested (couldn't see her face in the pics when I booked it, just body photos) and I think she could tell. She clearly became kind of embarrassed and sad / sour. So I took down her number even though I have no intention of seeing her again and I just told her my trip is short maybe I'll have time. You don't have to make any promises.

Hello everyone,

I usually visiteto Bogota-Santa Fe. I want to try Medelline. Couls anyone please give an update on places kind of Santa Fe. Ex; Parque Lleras, etc =// many girls in one place--busy places? I don't want to dig up the whole forum, because the information is old.

Thank you.

I'm landing tonight if anyone is free to grab drinks.

Then looking to hit up some clubs later or gusto.

I can't DM anyone but we can meet up somewhere first.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3000787]I'm not catching my chickens before they are hatched. But I just found a girl from seeking who lives outside of Medellin. She is very cute, submissive, down for threesomes, no condoms, etc. I told her I will be picking a girl to come over for an hour each day and she's going to participate. She said I need to spoil her though. And before I could even throw out a price she said 1 million for 3 days. Not 1 million per day. For 3 days. Then she said, "But you also have to pay for my food while I'm there. " Not only that, she didn't ask me to send her money to buy the ticket. I told her I would buy the ticket and send her the details. Now, of course she could be using me for a ticket to Medillin, but that's really not the vibe I'm getting. This is like a dream come true. I'm going to be on my computer searching and messaging girls to come over, while she's sucking on my pole, and know when they get there it's a full lesbian threesome. I already told her I might have her stay Tuesday through Sunday for 2 million, and she said you tell me.

Is the best angle now to look for girls outside of Medellin who aren't jaded. I think it might be.[/QUOTE]She is from Tinder not Seeking. I got that part wrong. Worst case scenario she uses me for a ticket to Medellin, but I'm willing to risk it. I've got her Instagram and she does seem legit.

[QUOTE=AstroMan;3000793]Usually they want you to pay first but some of the more chill ones will not bring it up until after. I'd say 8/10 want you to pay before. I was with a girl from lleras just now though and I tried to pay her beforehand and she like pushed the money back into my wallet and told me to pay her after LOL. That was a first. My suspicion would be that with some bumble girls it might be the opposite.

For bumbl I wouldn't offer to pay her to take her to lunch LOL. If she wants to use a dating app to find clients I feel like she'll be down to go on a date unless she's the type who just gives you a price right away. Every situations different I guess.

But as for the second part, no need to tell her no in person LOL. Just say you have plans after lunch and will message her later. And then either ghost her or text her. That's how my generation does it for normal dates haha. And it's not really ghosting because she's not emotionally invested.

I just went to a casa yesterday for anal and the girl asked me afterwards if we could go out sometime lmao. She was nice but I wasn't interested (couldn't see her face in the pics when I booked it, just body photos) and I think she could tell..[/QUOTE]Anyone have experience with the bumble, tinder, or Seeking girls. Pay before or after? I imagine it's after for these platforms. It sounds like the states. The hooker / escort girls pay before, but the girls from other platforms pay after?

Several guys have mentioned meeting in public before to see the girl and get the vibe. This does sound like a good idea. I guess, I just leave if I'm not feeling it, and I've likely already paid her taxi and that is that.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3000787]1 million for 3 days. Not 1 million per day. For 3 days. [/QUOTE]Get a prorated agreement in writing (message) so you can ask her to leave if needed. You can't believe everything they say.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3000875]She is from Tinder not Seeking. I got that part wrong. Worst case scenario she uses me for a ticket to Medellin, but I'm willing to risk it. I've got her Instagram and she does seem legit.[/QUOTE]I think you have get your feet wet before you leap in. It's difficult to make plans with someone you haven't met before. By this I mean anything beyond a first meeting. I would recommend doing a threesome with anyone. Of course she would bring a friend and you can set up. It's not worth it.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3000876]Anyone have experience with the bumble, tinder, or Seeking girls. Pay before or after? I imagine it's after for these platforms. It sounds like the states. The hooker / escort girls pay before, but the girls from other platforms pay after?

Several guys have mentioned meeting in public before to see the girl and get the vibe. This does sound like a good idea. I guess, I just leave if I'm not feeling it, and I've likely already paid her taxi and that is that.[/QUOTE]I went on my first non US bumbl date today. It lasted about 8 hours and so I'm pretty sure she's a normal girl. We shall see if she asks me for money tomorrow night when we seal the deal.

Just follow her lead regarding the money. She will put out her hand to ask you for it if she prefers it beforehand. If not pay her after. Easy either way.

Make sure you put your valuables in view of your shower so you can use the bathroom and shower off without leaving her unattended.

If she immediately quotes you a price around 300-400 k I probably wouldn't be too worried about safety as long as you follow normal procedures. But I'd be worried about her looking like her pictures. Might as well have a lunch date if she is down, it could be fun. If not and she quotes you the price right away it's up to you. Also I personally would never let someone spend the night (not that that's your plan, just saying) unless I knew her well. That's a recipe for disaster. If you are paying her enough and she's a GFE type it's different I guess.

[QUOTE=AstroMan;3000955]I went on my first non US bumbl date today. It lasted about 8 hours and so I'm pretty sure she's a normal girl. We shall see if she asks me for money tomorrow night when we seal the deal.

Just follow her lead regarding the money. She will put out her hand to ask you for it if she prefers it beforehand. If not pay her after. Easy either way.

Make sure you put your valuables in view of your shower so you can use the bathroom and shower off without leaving her unattended.

If she immediately quotes you a price around 300-400 k I probably wouldn't be too worried about safety as long as you follow normal procedures. But I'd be worried about her looking like her pictures. Might as well have a lunch date if she is down, it could be fun. If not and she quotes you the price right away it's up to you. Also I personally would never let someone spend the night (not that that's your plan, just saying) unless I knew her well. That's a recipe for disaster. If you are paying her enough and she's a GFE type it's different I guess.[/QUOTE]Your Spanish must be good going on an 8 hour date?

Hopefully, this post will help someone out. I now see why most of the old-heads do not post info very often. As I am building up my FB roster with fresh blood, I am noticing a lot of these chicks are coming up with all kinds of schemes to get you to send them money. This tells me that they have been very successful with getting sucker newbies to put down deposits before even getting a wiff of that tail.

I have been coming to Medellin since 2012, and the times have definitely changed post-pandemic.

A lot of you will be very tempted to send even a small amount (just today: "Lo decia por que es muy barato" - someone asking me to send them money for a damn burger, LOL), but here is what your big head should always be telling you:

- "How do I know this person is who they say they are?" - It doesn't matter if she is posting endless photos of herself daily. It could be her boyfriend or chulo running the account.

- "How do I know this broad was ever planning to meet me to begin with?" Many simps will see sending even a small amount as a "goodwill gesture" or as putting a down payment on that booty to somehow reserve your spot for when you finally do arrive.

As someone who is "True to this" and definitely "Not new to this," here is how you can tell if the broad was ever planning to meet with you: any chica that is asking you for money before you arrive there, all you have to say to them is the following:

"I do not send money to someone I have never met in person" or "No envio dinero a alguien que nunca he conocideo en persona. "

Now, to her, it may sound like this is something you are open to doing in the future (you should never ever send money), once you have gotten to know her in person, but it is actually to invoke the following two scenarios:

A) She is either going to say "esta bien" and hope that door remains open in the future once the two of you have actually met once you travel there.

B) She is going to push even harder by telling you, "Oh, it's only $30. That is nothing to you!" Or "It's very cheap (you are a foreigner, so you should be able to afford it)".

Scenario "be" is your strongest indicator that she never intended to meet you to begin with. It is just to initiate the process of you sending her small amounts at first, which will undoubtedly become larger requests.

Here are two ways I handle Scenario be:

1) I block the broad because I realize I would never end up seeing her in person because the game was just to try to get money out of you before you got there and end up looking like Boo Boo the Fool when you do arrive and realize she has blocked you or is not responding to your messages (since you already gave her what she was after).

2) I save all of those messages and I will send other chicas "wall of shame" screenshots of other chicks sending me the same type of begging messages. I even go so far as to say ""Casi todos LOS dias ("almost every day. The system is changing my spelling) alguien me manda este tipo de mensaje en Facebook. Es como si tuvieran un guion que dice 'copia esto why envaselo a LOS gringos!

If she doesn't revert to Scenario A, then see Scenario B1.

The majority of simps will ignore this information, especially the guys with the mentality of "Well, I spend $500 on pros back home, so 700 k pesos is a steal!

But for the newbies, you'the be wise to add this playbook to upping your overseas game.

We literally need EVERYONE singing from this same sheet of music, because the amount of requests I have been getting lately is overly ridiculous.

Tldr: Reply to any Request For Money (RFM) with "I do not send money to someone I have never met in person" or "No envio dinero a alguien que nunca he conocideo en persona. " If she is persistent, accept that you were never going to tap that once you actually got there and block her (because she is definitely going to block or ignore you if you do not give in to her demands. Spoken from experience. They can starve while laying next to their bum-ass Colombian novio for all I care, LOL).

Hope this helps!

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3000876]Anyone have experience with the bumble, tinder, or Seeking girls. Pay before or after? I imagine it's after for these platforms. It sounds like the states. The hooker / escort girls pay before, but the girls from other platforms pay after?[/QUOTE]Another thing we need to help newbies out with so that another fucked up trend doesn't begin: this is not the States. You do not pay beforehand. It doesn't matter what platform you are using. The only place you would end up paying beforehand here is at a Casa or Strip Club.

And good luck with those platforms. 75% of the things we read about going wrong (drugging, robberies, or worse) were with chicas dudes met on Tinder in Colombia. But YMMV.

And since Seeking displays your net worth (even if you are lying about it), imagine what kind of bullseye you've got on your back coming into a country where the average person would never earn a tenth of that in three lifetimes.

[QUOTE=AstroMan;3000955]I went on my first non US bumbl date today. It lasted about 8 hours and so I'm pretty sure she's a normal girl. We shall see if she asks me for money tomorrow night when we seal the deal.

Just follow her lead regarding the money. She will put out her hand to ask you for it if she prefers it beforehand. If not pay her after. Easy either way.

Make sure you put your valuables in view of your shower so you can use the bathroom and shower off without leaving her unattended.

If she immediately quotes you a price around 300-400 k I probably wouldn't be too worried about safety as long as you follow normal procedures. But I'd be worried about her looking like her pictures. Might as well have a lunch date if she is down, it could be fun. If not and she quotes you the price right away it's up to you. Also I personally would never let someone spend the night (not that that's your plan, just saying) unless I knew her well. That's a recipe for disaster. If you are paying her enough and she's a GFE type it's different I guess.[/QUOTE]Out of curiosity how old was your bumble date? For these girls I always assume they are looking for money, and I take the conversation there almost from the beginning.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3000934]I think you have get your feet wet before you leap in. It's difficult to make plans with someone you haven't met before. By this I mean anything beyond a first meeting. I would recommend doing a threesome with anyone. Of course she would bring a friend and you can set up. It's not worth it.[/QUOTE]I'm thinking you're 100% right now. It all seems to good to be true, which makes me think it's some kind of set up. She's a model and her insta has her in all the fashion shoes, and she's one of those girls guys are flying around the world. So what is she doing coming to Medellin for 333 k per day with me. Booking the flight is so cheap, but I'm going to set some ground rules, one hour at a time at first, then one day at a time, and if I say she has to leave I'll book her flight home. Or maybe I don't even do it. She did agree to a video call before coming and says she speaks English.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3000695]So, I like the idea of meeting an online girl and taking her to lunch to see the connection. But what are the expectations here? If I don't like her, and say no, is she going to lose her shit for going out to lunch. Does she want me to pay her to take her to lunch?[/QUOTE]She absolutely will expect that, yes. And as far as paying before or after, I tell them I pay after and if they won't do that, I walk.

Generally if at the outset the chica whips out a condom I offer her a little more for BBBJ. Yesterday, for the first time this trip the chica whipped out some wet wipes instead and went down to tongue on little Turgid bare.
I had entered the casa (I believe it was Pamela, one of the 3 I know on Cra. 45). The mamasan (MILF so I assumed she was the mamasan) named Michelle (I'm hoping I got that right too) introduced five chicas then herself and I instinctively chose her although all the others were younger. In the room I realized I made the right choice as she gave the best BBBJ this trip and the sex was very good. 80k pesos for 30 minutes. All's well in Medellin.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3001172]She's a model and her insta has her in all the fashion shoes, and she's one of those girls guys are flying around the world.[/QUOTE]Aren't they all models?

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3001172]So what is she doing coming to Medellin for 333 k per day with me.[/QUOTE]Why the hell not? Do not let pictures you see online fool you into believing who these chicks are not.

I'm back for 6 months again. Haven't been here in a year.

Lleras quality is very slightly up in my opinion and I have very high standards.

Gustos is officially unofficially dead. I went in there 20 k cover. Only girls in there. Not even packed. 11:30 pm. And the girls look like Lleras girls. Not worth it at all and they probably want $400 dollars LOL.

Finished with la Isla. 50 k cover A step or two up from lleras in quality. You will find all kinds of bodies here. But mostly plastic. Lucky for me, I love plastic. Saw a few faces I know. Went with the girl I always do. Big boobs big ass. The butlers were less houndy about buying a drink maybe because there were a bunch of tables that were empty. My standards are very high so there was like 5-6 girls I would do. If these weren't there I wouldn't go to la Isla.

Price at la Isla increased from 550 k last year to 600 k about 150 dollars at today's conversion rate. This is inline with the 10% inflation I'm seeing in Colombia. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] The dollar and solots of currencies strengthen against the dollar Colombian peso is weird because it didn't strengthened it just stayed flat. I suspect is will go down to 3800 for a bit and then rebound which sucks because prices are higher but the currency conversion is not keeping up.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;3001134]Hopefully, this post will help someone out. I now see why most of the old-heads do not post info very often. As I am building up my FB roster with fresh blood, I am noticing a lot of these chicks are coming up with all kinds of schemes to get you to send them money. This tells me that they have been very successful with getting sucker newbies to put down deposits before even getting a wiff of that tail.

I have been coming to Medellin since 2012, and the times have definitely changed post-pandemic.

A lot of you will be very tempted to send even a small amount (just today: "Lo decia por que es muy barato" - someone asking me to send them money for a damn burger, LOL), but here is what your big head should always be telling you:

- "How do I know this person is who they say they are?" - It doesn't matter if she is posting endless photos of herself daily. It could be her boyfriend or chulo running the account.

- "How do I know this broad was ever planning to meet me to begin with?" Many simps will see sending even a small amount as a "goodwill gesture" or as putting a down payment on that booty to somehow reserve your spot for when you finally do arrive.

As someone who is "True to this" and definitely "Not new to this," here is how you can tell if the broad was ever planning to meet with you: any chica that is asking you for money before you arrive there, all you have to say to them is the following:

"I do not send money to someone I have never met in person" or "No envio dinero a alguien que nunca he conocideo en persona. "

Now, to her, it may sound like this is something you are open to doing in the future (you should never ever send money), once you have gotten to know her in person, but it is actually to invoke the following two scenarios:

A) She is either going to say "esta bien" and hope that door remains open in the future once the two of you have actually met once you travel there.

B) She is going to push even harder by telling you, "Oh, it's only $30. That is nothing to you!" Or "It's very cheap (you are a foreigner, so you should be able to afford it)".

Scenario "be" is your strongest indicator that she never intended to meet you to begin with. It is just to initiate the process of you sending her small amounts at first, which will undoubtedly become larger requests.

Here are two ways I handle Scenario be:

1) I block the broad because I realize I would never end up seeing her in person because the game was just to try to get money out of you before you got there and end up looking like Boo Boo the Fool when you do arrive and realize she has blocked you or is not responding to your messages (since you already gave her what she was after).

2) I save all of those messages and I will send other chicas "wall of shame" screenshots of other chicks sending me the same type of begging messages. I even go so far as to say ""Casi todos LOS dias ("almost every day. The system is changing my spelling) alguien me manda este tipo de mensaje en Facebook. Es como si tuvieran un guion que dice 'copia esto why envaselo a LOS gringos!

If she doesn't revert to Scenario A, then see Scenario B1.

The majority of simps will ignore this information, especially the guys with the mentality of "Well, I spend $500 on pros back home, so 700 k pesos is a steal!

But for the newbies, you'the be wise to add this playbook to upping your overseas game.

We literally need EVERYONE singing from this same sheet of music, because the amount of requests I have been getting lately is overly ridiculous.

Tldr: Reply to any Request For Money (RFM) with "I do not send money to someone I have never met in person" or "No envio dinero a alguien que nunca he conocideo en persona. " If she is persistent, accept that you were never going to tap that once you actually got there and block her (because she is definitely going to block or ignore you if you do not give in to her demands. Spoken from experience. They can starve while laying next to their bum-ass Colombian novio for all I care, LOL).

Hope this helps![/QUOTE]Words to live by, hope all is well with you SavePros.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;3001134]- "How do I know this broad was ever planning to meet me to begin with?" Many simps will see sending even a small amount as a "goodwill gesture" or as putting a down payment on that booty to somehow reserve your spot for when you finally do arrive.
[/QUOTE]Good to see you back brother.

Case in point: I was talking to a chick in Bogota on March 28. She tried to get me to send her some money. I told her no way, but that I would give her money when we are together. She is going to say she wants it now. I say no fucking way. Then on April 5 she sends a message saying she is selling porn. I never respond. On April 26 I send her a message telling her I am in Bogota and she gives it a thumbs up, not saying shit else. Then today, May 5, she sends another message saying she is selling porn. You would have to be a damn fool to send that chick or any other some money. If she had planned on meeting instead of just being sent money, then she would have asked for details when I told her I was in Bogota.

Made a quick stop at Lleras. I felt a rush of adrenaline when I saw this girl who dressed normally with a backpack. The first restriction coming out of her is no kisses, the second is with condom. She has a sidekick in white dress like a working girl. Saw two others with the same outcome. The prices are 400,150 USD, 450. These are what I would take on the spot regardless the price if not for the restrictions which is very rare.

I am more interested in good sex and something equal or better than I can easily have so I was not interested in taking anyone else. I talked to a few more above average ones before I left. Same restrictions but quickly agreed to BBBJ and came down to 300. I did not try to negotiate because I have no intention of taking them. One venni told me 400 is the price local Cololmbians (LOS Colombianos) paid. Unless the men like the gangster, tattoo style, I will be surprised that is true. She was trying to make the sale pitch after I already back in my apartment and told me don't look for cheap chicas who would steal from me. I just congratulate her on her accomplishment.

The security do not allow the girls to stand or sit on the walk way in front of Gusto.

All numbers are in COP unless specified

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3001537]Words to live by, hope all is well with you SavePros.[/QUOTE]Thanks Mani! I've been watching, LOL! Good to see you Vets are still trying to help the newbies shape up.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3001543]Good to see you back brother.
[/QUOTE]Thanks bro! Just been in lurk mode, LOL. Glad to see you finally got Rappi working. I think I remember you coming on the board trying to get it up and running back when I was there in 2021 and I was telling you what I did.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3001543]Case in point: I was talking to a chick in Bogota on March 28. She tried to get me to send her some money. I told her no way, but that I would give her money when we are together. She is going to say she wants it now. I say no fucking way. Then on April 5 she sends a message saying she is selling porn. I never respond. On April 26 I send her a message telling her I am in Bogota and she gives it a thumbs up, not saying shit else. Then today, May 5, she sends another message saying she is selling porn. You would have to be a damn fool to send that chick or any other some money. If she had planned on meeting instead of just being sent money, then she would have asked for details when I told her I was in Bogota.[/QUOTE]Amen! I've also had chicks tell me that they "Vendo contenido. " I have no use for that shit, but I tell them "good to know" and that "we are going to make content together when I arrive," LOL!

How late were you there?? I have had zero luck negotiating prices in lleras or anywhere else in the world. I usually don't try that hard but man, I'm not sure how you guys do it and I'm pretty young and fit. I will say they nearly always kiss for free for me though. What's your tactic? Just appear hesitant? How good is your spanish? Do you counter with a price or just appear reluctant and let them go lower?

[QUOTE=Nounce;3001546]Made a quick stop at Lleras. I felt a rush of adrenaline when I saw this girl who dressed normally with a backpack. The first restriction coming out of her is no kisses, the second is with condom. She has a sidekick in white dress like a working girl. Saw two others with the same outcome. The prices are 400,150 USD, 450. These are what I would take on the spot regardless the price if not for the restrictions which is very rare.

I am more interested in good sex and something equal or better than I can easily have so I was not interested in taking anyone else. I talked to a few more above average ones before I left. Same restrictions but quickly agreed to BBBJ and came down to 300. I did not try to negotiate because I have no intention of taking them. One venni told me 400 is the price local Cololmbians (LOS Colombianos) paid. Unless the men like the gangster, tattoo style, I will be surprised that is true. She was trying to make the sale pitch after I already back in my apartment and told me don't look for cheap chicas who would steal from me. I just congratulate her on her accomplishment.

The security do not allow the girls to stand or sit on the walk way in front of Gusto.

All numbers are in COP unless specified[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;3001546]Made a quick stop at Lleras. I felt a rush of adrenaline when I saw this girl who dressed normally with a backpack. The first restriction coming out of her is no kisses, the second is with condom. ...The prices are 400,150 USD, 450. These are what I would take on the spot regardless the price if not for the restrictions which is very rare.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update. I can stay at home, put a condom on my Willy, not kiss anyone, and play with it for free! You should tell these mercenaries that!

So I get in late last night. Don't arrive to Haven Hotel until midnight. After reading so many reports of robberies and druggings I was a bit nervous, that is, until I actually went outside. The streets are bustling and I had no problem walking alone to Parque Laurels etc. Never felt unsafe, just don't be a fool, and you should be fine.

Three girls approach me, one is about 30 and I was immediately into her. Until I saw her friend. Once I noticed her friend I told them I just want her. Nonetheless, they all came back to Haven Hotel and their was a rooftop party so the other 2 went up to that. I had negotiated 600 k no condom everything for 4 hours. Kept asking if she was okay with it and she said she was. I'm not into pressuring someone to do something they aren't comfortable with, and I showed her my recent STD tests from last week which are all clean.

So. She goes into the shower. Comes out, and says she wants the money up front. I tell her I'm not comfortable with that and she is welcome to leave. Somehow she convinces me to give her half. Well immediately she switches and says condom everything with the 300 k in her hand. At this point, I just told her to leave. I hate liars more than I hate getting played. Well I guess I hate them both because getting played is getting lied to. I threw her shoes outside told her to get dressed and to leave.

This morning this girl hits me up from Bumble. 23 and my type. Says she wants to come over. We negotiate 350 k no condom everything, kissing, etc. She says she wants to bring her friend. Sends pictures of her friend 20 years old, spinner type. So 2 spinner types, tight bodies, and good attitudes. I had a good feeling about this. She says for the threesome it's 400 k each. No problem with that. Lesbian show, no condom everything, kissing, etc.

Well, they arrive, and they LIVE up to the hype and more. It was a great experience and they want to do it again. They even videoed the whole thing for me, while I was with one the other would video, and of course there were so moments I also videoed. I did not eat or drink around them, and wouldn't, but never got the vibe I needed to be worried. But never let your guard down.

The 35 year old who was discussing marriage and VISA to US is coming over tonight. We are getting dinner and I have no idea how this is going to go. I'm not really my best self, kinda been drinking since I arrived yesterday, so we will just have to see.

I also found this girl from Tinder who is like a little Madame. She's got a whole set of tight, very hot, younger girls for 350 k an hour, BBBJ, DFK, and then 50 k to her. I'm going to ask her if she minds me giving out her number to people. She is a great contact to have. She sent like 65 photos of these girls (not 65 girls probably 15 to choose from).

And the girl that was going to fly out from Barranquilla, well she is on her period apparently, so maybe she comes toward the end of the trip. We will see. We did video chat and she's just as hot as her photos on Instagram.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3001171]Out of curiosity how old was your bumble date? For these girls I always assume they are looking for money, and I take the conversation there almost from the beginning.[/QUOTE]I have a trip report I've written up on the plane but it's a bit of a novel, more for me than for anyone on here. Going through and trying to add more useful info but not sure if I'm going to post it, it's 5,000 words haha.

Notes:

- This is my first trip report and it's going to be long and probably not that helpful to anyone. It's more like a novel for myself haha.

- This was my second trip to Medellin and fifth or sixth trip where I have engaged in the hobby.

- I speak very very basic Spanish with a good accent but terrible vocabulary. 
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When I travel I stay in different hotels almost every night because I have lots of free nights and points to use from different chains and I don't mind bouncing around I find it fun. I also get late checkout and early check in sometimes so I don't have to wait around between check out and check in.

• Day 1: How I Hemorrhaged 1 Million Cop In One Night •.

I headed to my hotel and locked in an appointment with this girl from an agency on mileroticos. This is a girl I wanted to meet up with on my first trip here. Her face was blurred in her photos but she looked young, hot and very much my type. I've had mixed results from mileroticos and the like. It always seems like a good idea when I'm back in the states longing to be in the city of eternal spring.

Scanning the profiles back in the states and picking the girls to hit up on my trip is fun. And the prices are often cheaper.

I had the girl meet me at a short time hotel which I'm hesitant to share since it was so busy but:

- Hostal Garden Leras 10.

Walking distance from lleras. Price 90.000 cop / HR 180/2.

My first night I stayed at LOS patios because I'm young and I still sometimes enjoy the hostel scene and partying with normal travelers. I often stay at hostel for a night or two and then move to a place that allows chicas after I've met friends.

The risk is that the hostel crowd sees you out with the chicas because they do go out to Provenza and walk right by Lleras occasionally. In my experience most of them frown on our hobby pretty heavily but I have met some groups of guys there who frequented la isla and massage parlors. Still it's frowned upon for sure and I wasn't about to bring a girl back there.

I'm waiting for the girl in front of the hotel. It was going to be 250.000 cop for 90 minutes. Standing in front is a chubby girl that's not my type at all. She comes right up to me and is like "Matt?" Thank god, she's there for someone else. A car rolls up and the real girl steps out and I don't recognize her because she's white with blondish hair. In the pictures she looked Latina.

I just was not into her. Obviously this was going to be super awkward but I wasn't about to start out my trip like this. I gave her the full amount and I said, "very sorry but I'm going to have to cancel. " I actually overpaid her because I had no change (was planning to just give the extra as a tip). Probably the first tip she received for doing nothing.

She was keeping a straight face but I could tell she was embarrassed by the situation. Even if these girls are there for the money they still feel rejection. I told her she's very beautiful and lovely just not my type and I apologized again.

This is actually the second time I paid a prostitute to NOT have sex, first time was in Belgium with a window rl district girl that literally transformed when the clothes came off.

Back to Medellin.

Luckily I was right next to Lleras. People say it's overpriced but there is no other place with such a high concentration of smoking hot women. It's totally worth it imo. Why waste time trying to dig through hay for diamonds when you can dig through gems for the diamond? For those on short trips with high standards I think Lleras is a pretty good place to be. It's still cheaper than many places in the world.

I saw many hotties but I decided to dip into GLOW and see where the night went. Overpriced drinks but last year I had a lot of luck there. Right when I walked in I locked eyes with a girl I liked. I walked past and perused the rest of the bar.

I turned around a beelined back. Started chatting with her. She had a fun attitude and was hot as hell. I normally like very slim girls and am an ass guy over a boob guy. But this girl had both and was still slim. I figured she had fake boobs which I don't love but I figures I'the give it another shot.

I buy two overpriced beers. One for her one for me. That was a mistake. She had told me in Spanish and I just didn't understand but you have to buy the girl a shot (80.000) to take her out. Then she quotes me 500.000. Wtf.

I tried to negotiate. I smiled and told her I know what the going rate is here. I told her another girl had quoted me 400 cop just seconds ago and every other girl had that price as well. She said she's better. I told her that she had said I was handsome so she needed to give me a discount. No go. She did not budge unless I'the wait until later (aka I would be her second customer for the night). Not worth it to me LOL. Some of these girls do not fucking shower between clients. It drives me nuts.

There's nothing I hate more than when the clothes come off and she smells (which is a total turn off and makes it hard for me to enjoy) and then afterwards she doesn't shower.

She tries to get me to hire her chubby friend who was with us for a threesome. I say no and decide what the hell I'll do 500.000. It's my first night and I don't want to waste more time. I wouldn't consider paying that much again unless there were some major extras included.

But then I had to buy her a damn shot as I said. I remembered too late that my friend has a trick which is to not buy anything, ask the girl to wait 4 minutes and then meet you outside. I think for some girls this will work, others might feel a loyalty to the bar.

We head to the short time hotel. All the rooms are booked up and she says it's the only short-time hotel within walking distance. Is this true? She seemed to believe it. I coughed up another 90.000 cop and we finally got into a room and.

The sex was incredible. She had the most amazing tits and they were real. I don't understand how Colombian women's tits are so firm. She had the singular best pair of boobs I've ever experienced in my life and the rest of her body was great as well. I hadn't cum in like two weeks because my trip kept getting pushed back. I managed to last for 20 minutes through changing positions frequently but it was tough haha.

We left the room after just 30 minutes. In my experience lleras girls don't hang out and talk and spend the whole hour with you. Maybe if you ask them to? I think some of the prepagos do, not sure.

I went outside and had some IMO shitty tacos in lleras and chatted with two other dudes who were there on the hunt.

Total bill for the night:

• Cancelled session 300.000 cop.

• 2 beers: 50.000 ish cop at glow.

• Overpriced shot at glow 80.000 cop.

• Short time hotel 90.000 cop.

• 4 Shitty tacos 50.000 ish cop.

• 20 minutes of slightly overpriced awesomeness 500.000 cop.

Total: 1,070,000.

Jesus. I once spent twice that much in Japan to fulfill a fetish but that's not the type of cash you expect to spend in one night in Colombia even in Lleras.

I decided not to regret it but also to be more careful moving forward.

• Accommodation Night 1: LOS Patios Suites.

Good co-working space and social environment. Young crowd, 19-35 or so. I think technically you could possibly bring a girl back here but I would not want to.

• Day 2: My first Ever Trio. Great Bang For My Buck •.

I followed up my overpriced day with an awesome day value wise. Back home I had messaged this prepago and got an automated response from an agency called The Garden. A casa with a physical location in San Diego and very good looking roster of ladies. I joined their telegram and they post photos and videos of the girls every day including faces so I could tell she definitely would look the same in person.

Since it's a casa the price was cheap:

• 110 k cop for 30 minutes.

• 170 k cop for 60.

• 450 k cop for 30 min threesome.

• I think outcall was 300 k cop.

Hours 9 AM-6 PM.

I've never had a threesome and it's not something that particularly turns me on but I wanted to do it this trip in case I get back into a relationship and never get another chance (cheating's not for me). 450.000 cop is a great deal imo especially because the girl I was interested in was gorgeous, young and innocent looking. She only did threesomes with the oldest girl on the roster. This one wasn't my typical type, she was more curvy than I'm into but she was fit still with barely any fat and pretty nice boobs and ass. She in her late 20's.

I decided to go with it and figured it's important that they have chemistry and are comfortable. I also thought it sounded kind of hot to be fucking a younger girl with a more experienced woman to help.

Anyways it was heavenly. Lots of kissing by and between all parties which seems essential for a trio. Again I was impressed by the firmness, size and shape of Colombian boobs. The older girl's weren't as nice as the girl's from the previous night but they made the threesome more engaging hah. I definitely spent more time fucking the younger one but I made sure to take the curvy one through a couple of positions as well.

I took just about the full 30 minutes. The younger girl was nice and giggly after but she bounced out of there almost immediately. The older girl took her time with me even though the 30 minutes were up. She may have had some sort of ownership in the casa not sure.

She showed me to the shower and then chatted with me as I got dressed and we waited for me uber. They had already reached their closing time so it was cool of her to keep chatting with me. I didn't really want to stand outside in that neighborhood.

The first Uber canceled on means she took me up to the rooftop terrace despite a girl in the office protesting. We chatted for another 10 minutes waiting for my car. She told me she had traveled to 12 countries which was impressive to me.

• Night 2 Accommodation: Dix Hotel.

If you are looking for a cheap guest friendly hotel where it's not overly awkward to bring a girl in, this is a great option. Walking distance to Lleras but quiet rooms. There are people who stay there that aren't there for the reason we are but there are also a whole lot that are.

• Day 3: Anal At A Casa •.

My first trip to Medellin I was in the city for 8 days. 3 of those were spent with the same girl. A lleras chick who said I was handsome and sweet compared to her other clients (suuuureee). She did not enjoy her work and she said she was saving up to start a business. Anyways a couple of months ago she started it up.

So here I am on my second trip and I hit her up and said I'the like to see her again and could take her to dinner. I wasn't sure if she was fully retired. She reminded me she speaks very little English but said yes she would like to. In the afternoon she ended up canceling on me and said she was working late that night and the next but the following day was good. Flaky.

Luckily she let me know pretty early in the day so I still had a lot of options.

I decided I wanted to have anal. It's something I always think is very hot in porn. I've only done it once before in Germany at a club.

I found another girl on mileroticos whose profile said she offered it and who was fairly slim with a nice perky ass. Again I could not see her face and again it sort of backfired but not to the same extent. Also I wasn't there for her face haha. I think in the future I will start asking for face photos.

Anyway turns out she's also part of a casa called afroditasspa, in laureles.

Prices:

• 1 HR: 170.000.

• 30 minutes: 140.000.

• 15 minutes: 100.000.

• Outcall: 400 plus transport.

• Anal: 160.000.

They have a lot of add-ONS though only two of the girls do anal. Looking now I see oral is normally 60.000 but I didn't pay for it and I received so ymmv.

I arrive to the unmarked location. They let me in and bring me up to the room. Where I proceed to wait almost 40 minutes for this girl. The walls were thin and I was just sitting on this bed while right outside in a kitchen area a group of older women sat around a blaring TV playing a superhero movie. I'm pretty sure one of them was the booking person who I was texting on whatsapp.

I was polite but I kept asking how much longer? They just kept saying just a few minutes she's on her way down. She's already heading to you. Finally after 30 minutes I opened the door and I asked them "cuantos minutos más?" They seemed shocked that I had popped my head out of the room haha. They looked at each other and then said cinco. I figured she was with another customer and I didn't want to rush her in case she didn't feel she had time to shower in between but on the other hand I was sick of waiting. Ten more minutes passed. I told myself if it hit an hour I would leave.

Finally I heard voices and she appeared through the door in a robe. She said she had been stuck in traffic and asked me to take off my clothes while she went into another room and took a shower. I think she may have been telling the truth, she did sort of have the demeanor of someone who had been running late stuck in traffic and it was peak rush hour.

Her face wasn't terrible but she wasn't really pretty either. She had distinct eyebrows which may appeal to some. She gave me a BJ for a while and then I asked her if she wanted me to start with her pussy first. She said yes (of course) so I did for bit but quickly moved on to the main attraction.

It was pretty good. She was quite experienced with anal which was good because it was very clean. But of course not super tight. My general impression of it from the two times is that the idea of it is hot but the feeling is not quite as good as traditional sex. I went pretty hard in a couple of positions. After maybe 10 minutes she asked if we could switch back to normal sex for the rest of the time. I reluctantly obliged but had a satisfactory finish.

Afterwards she told me she is from Morocco, which is interesting. She had a very bouncy demeanor and asked if I liked it repeatedly. Then she asked if she could give me her number so we could go on a date sometime. I thought that was cute. She seemed genuinely interested though obviously money does play some factor.

I think she could sense that I wasn't as interested and she started to seem a little hurt so I feigned interest and took down her whatsapp but told her maybe because my trip was short. She still seemed hurt and a little sour but I played up how much I liked it and things ended on a good note. She gave me a kiss and waited for me to shower, then took me to the ground floor.

I waited just inside the door at the base of the stairs for the car to arrive.

Tip: taxis through uber and taxi hailing apps like Indrive and DiDi seem to work a lot quicker than a normal uber here but especially outside of poblado.

• Day 3 Accommodations: Intercontinental.

Really awesome place, easily my favorite room (thought they upgraded me to a suite because of my IHG status) and the free breakfast was the best hotel breakfast of the trip by far. The only negative about it is the location. Its nestled into the hills, which is beautiful and it's physically not far from lleras but it took forever for drivers to arrive based upon the median in the big road it's on. Drivers have to loop around and drive in a big circle to get on the proper side of the road to pick you up. I do believe this place is guest friendly with no charge. It seemed like it wouldn't be too awkward to do there. Also it has an amazing full gym with bench and squat racks free-weights and resistance and cardio machines. I had it completely to myself.

• Day 4: Monsoons and Flaky Girls •.

This will be short. I asked a very cute girl I had met wandering lleras the previous night to come over. She said of course. I asked her to wear something elegant so the hotel process is less awkward (I hate it). She said she didn't own anything elegant 🤣 I said ok. I went and got dinner at Mombasa, a fine dining place right next to lleras. Was pretty good.

As I'm eating the persistent rain turns into a literal monsoon. The girl tells me she can't come she's at home and it's raining too hard. Still annoyed about that. Now she's on my list for next time.

I messaged another girl I had just met in lleras right before dinner. She was dark skinned with curly hair and had seemed gorgeous in the park. I asked her to meet me at my hotel and she asked me to pay for her car. Taxi arrived and tried to charge 40.000 cop for the same trip I had just taken moments ago for 12.000. I only had 30.000 and the girl made him accept that. Still way too much but then I also paid that much for three waters in Provenza.

I took her into my room. On the way she was loud and sort of obnoxious, filming the chandelier in the lobby etc. Luckily there weren't too many people about. When we got to my room I could tell I wasn't her first for the night and that she wasn't a showerer. Also she was slightly less attractive than I had thought. Nonetheless it was not terrible and she was decent with oral. Definitely the worst of the trip overall though. I asked her if she wanted to shower and she said she did not.

I think I'm going to start telling girls after that I never rehire a girl who doesn't shower between clients LOL. Price was the usual lleras 400.000 cop.

Meanwhile On The Apps.

This whole time I'the been swiping a bit on bumble, tinder, OkCupid, Badoo.

I matched with a ton of girls before arriving. I had intended to try to meet a girl or two to hang out with during the day, possibly a normal girl or maybe a semi pro. I matched with some girls that I thought were quite hot but my experience on night 1 with the misleading pics on mileroticos left me less enthusiastic to put in the effort.

There were two civilian seeming girls with whom the conversation went cold. One who had ghosted me and another who I probably could have met up with but I couldn't tell if I was into her from the photos. I also figured my translator app date experience would be with the business girl so I'the been putting less effort into the apps. But after the lackluster lleras girl I decided I needed to meet at least one bumble girl whether civilian or professional, and see if I liked it.

I noticed a match from earlier that day — a cute white girl who was slim and petite and in her young 20's (my type).

A tourist? Something about her smile did it for me so I messaged her. Turns out she wasn't a tourist and she's from Medellin. She only speaks Spanish. I ask her on a whim if she wanted to get dinner in like 30 minutes. She says she's down but she's meeting with a friend in an hour and I want to have a nice dinner rather than a fast one so I say we can get lunch the next day. She suggests brunch.

• Day 4 Accommodations: Dann Carlton:

Really solid spot I understand why it's popular. It's very close to Provenza area but feels nestled away beautifully in the trees. I still took a car back and forth but it's quick. The room was great and my second favorite. The view was awesome. The breakfast was solid but not amazing. Didn't use the gym or the pool but it looks decent.

Saw a couple of other girls arriving to meet men at around 10 PM or so. They are very used to it there but it still felt a little awkward to me compared to DIX or Intercontinental where the check in table is right when you enter the doors. At the Dan Carlton there is a long walk of shame up to the registration desk. As I said they know the deal there so it's not too awkward but like any hotel I feel a little weird bringing a girl earlier than 10. There are a lot of guests here which is both good and bad. People pay less attention to you but there are definitely tourist couples and whatnot who might be noticing you.

• Day 5: The Beginnings of Something •.

I wake up to texts that the girl was out until 4 with her friend at a club and got very drunk. She asks to get brunch at 11:30. I agree but she's up early so we are texting.

I should say that her profile seemed nothing like 90% of the profiles on tinder in Medellin. VERY modest. So I'm thinking she's a civilian. I ask where she went out the night before. I'm trying to sus out if she's a working girl. She says the club was in lleras.

Oh. Maybe she's a working girl?

Unlike all the working girls I've been with she shows up on time. She's super cute. She actually looks slightly Latina and exotic in person, though she's white.

It's a great date, super fun and we had a ton of chemistry. We walked around Provenza after and I asked her if she was a working girl since she had been in lleras the night before. She seemed taken aback and thought it was funny. I told her she did not seem like a working girl but I still wasn't quite buying it. In my experience nearly every girl in and around lleras is a working girl.

Why would a girl be there otherwise? But everything about her did not seem to line up with being a working girl.

I told her we should go somewhere fun and I took her to comuna13. Both of us had been I just wanted something fun to do that felt like we were going on an adventure otherwise the date was going to go stale. She seemed to like when I made firm decisions about where we were going and what we were doing. Similar to girls in the us but far more so.

Other date ideas I considered: botanical garden or the Antioquia museum. Could be useful for someone.

Comuna13 with her was very fun. At the end as we waited for the cab I went in for a kiss. It was pretty effortless. She kept kissing me on the cab ride back over and over to the point where I was embarrassed because of the driver.

She kept telling me how much she liked me etc. She was sad I had to leave and wanted to have a two day romance with me.

But we got back to the hotel (at around 6) and I had to send her on her way because this was the night I was supposed to finally meet up with business girl from my last trip.

I promised my flourishing fling that we would meet up right after she finished work the following day at 5.

Business girl says she would still like to meet up but asks what will we do, dinner or sex or both. I told her it's up to her but I would like to get dinner and see where it goes from there. I'm curious if she will ask me to pay. She says ok but she can't be there until 9 because she gets off work at 7. Long story short she says she's too tired and cancels on me again!! Man these girls are so flaky.

So at this point it's 9 and I try to get my fling to come back over but she has to wake up at 6. She's tempted but wants to be rested for our big day tomorrow. I try again to no avail. We flirt a lot and are very lovey dovey. I know how to turn it to 100 haha. But I was feeling it for sure as well which was interesting. That's not what I really wanted from this trip.

I decide not to go out and fuck another girl. When I sleep with this girl tomorrow I want to perform well since I'm emotionally invested now and I don't have quite the same Libidio as some of why'all LOL.

(Day 5 Accommodation: Dann Carlton again).

• Day 6: Cute Civilian Fling •.

It feel like it takes forever for 5 o clock to roll around. I'm kicking myself for sending her home the previous day when she very clearly was down to stay.

I killed time by heading out to Centro at around 2 pm. No intention to hire any chicas, just wanted to see what was there since I've never been.

I walked around for maybe 20 minutes. There were a decent amount of girls and I was not at all impressed with what I saw. I'the maybe go back if I was in Medellin for longer but yeah I don't think a single girl really appealed to me. I guess if you go later in the evening there would be more girls but then it's less safe and you're possibly getting sloppy fourths or fifths.

I headed back to the hotel to get ready for my night with my fling.

I reserved my hotel's spa whirlpool for us to use right when she arrives. That's my first time doing that and I highly recommend it. The price was 90.000 cop / HR.

I should mention at this point that by now I had figured out that she understood English to a large degree. She understood probably 70% of what I said! But she insisted that she absolutely could not speak English because she was unable to execute the actual pronunciation.

I kept forgetting that she could understand and I was working on my Spanish so we mostly just used the translator or spoke in broken Spanish, but it did make things easier in terms of us connecting emotionally. It also created some hilarious situations where I would ask her, in English, to ask a concierge or server something. Which she would then do, in Spanish. Then they would answer her in Spanish and wait for her translate back for me but she would whip out her phone and use the translator hahah.

This process earned us some funny looks especially at my hotel spa as we tried to understand the process for using the whirlpool.

The jacuzzi was super sensual and escalated things very quickly as you can imagine. Very fun. After about 30 minutes we headed up to my room and undressed her slowly and we did the deed. She did not cum, though she said she enjoyed it a lot. Oops.

Anyways we go to alien lounge for dinner based on DiscoverFLs recommended restaurants list the other day (thanks!) Didn't tell her where we were going and she loved the surprise. Awesome spot that turns the date into a bit of an experience and definitely prepago date friendly based on a couple of the other tables.

Afterwards we went to a touristy club in Provenza. Had fun dancing there and making out but the music wasn't the greatest for dancing.

I ask her to take me to the club she went to near Lleras the night before. She takes me to the spot. A block or two from the park and it's indeed full of civilians.

Lots of locals and maybe some Latin tourists all grinding super sexually to regatóand.

I pop into the bathroom to take a viagra because we've already discussed that we will be continuing things later and on the dance floor she teaches me to grind on her to regatóand haha. I've grinded on girls in clubs before but never like that, regatóand is a whole other animal haha. I'm pretty hard immediately but I also want to enjoy the club and dance and get a full experience out of it. We stay for about an hour until midnight and then I tell her it's time to go back to the hotel. She agrees.

With a full viagra in my system I perform much better this time. I try to channel what she has taught me in regatóand ("we move our hips together like sex" she had explained on the dance floor). For me I typically prefer when the girl doesn't move too much during sex haha.

But since she likes it to be more of a dance and more romantic I tried to make it more sensual for her and it worked. She came after about 7 minutes or so. I flipped her over into prone doggy and finished like that.

I let her stay after.

I don't usually like actually sleeping with girls unless I'm deep in a relationship and I'm a picky sleeper in general but she gave me a fun experience and I could tell she really wanted to stay. I wanted her to have a good memory of the experience. She grinned and told me she had brought everything she needed to spend the night just in case. She respected that I didn't want to snuggle during sleep and I conked out cold and slept well. Nothing like a king sized hotel bed to provide a bit of separation when sleeping.

We grabbed brunch in the morning and she cried several times over the course of the morning. We checked out of my hotel and I called cars for each of us, for me to the airport and for her back home.

She never once asked me for money and kept thanking me for the fairytale experience. She's very sad but she also seems to understand it's over. However she has since messaged me and offered to fedex me her panties as a parting gift!

• Day 6 Accomodations: Marriot Medellin.

Awesome Jacuzzi whirlpool though there's only one and you have to reserve it. Decent room, nice furniture. My view wasn't amazing but they had me on the 6th floor. I'm sure higher floors might be better. They did not upgrade me even though I have gold status. Breakfast was not included though they do have a buffet you can pay for which seemed nice. I'm pretty sure this place is girl friendly. I ended up registering my guest as the actual second person on my reservation just to be sure she'the be allowed to use the Jacuzzi with me.

• Closing Thoughts •.

So that's the other side of Colombian women for you if you are lucky enough to have one genuinely interested in you and are of course willing to put in the work to be a good date.

I understand a lot of you are over dating, don't enjoy it or it just isn't an option for you for whatever reason. This wasn't exactly what I was looking for this trip and by the end the novelty started to wear off and my feelings started to fade but for some of you, maybe give civilian girls a shot?

It was fun but I won't be giving up this hobby anytime soon haha.

Damn sounds like you are off to a great start! Lots of lleras girls are going to ask you for the money up front though, FYI. It's never gone awry for me. Giving half is a solid idea I guess I have done that before as well. Motivates them to perform better. I'm back home now but you're making me wish I used the apps a little more other than the civilian girl I hooked up with. Did they film each other's faces when they were filming each other or were they not worried about that? I've tried to ask some girls about filming and they give me crazy quotes.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3001612]So I get in late last night. Don't arrive to Haven Hotel until midnight. After reading so many reports of robberies and druggings I was a bit nervous, that is, until I actually went outside. The streets are bustling and I had no problem walking alone to Parque Laurels etc. Never felt unsafe, just don't be a fool, and you should be fine.

Three girls approach me, one is about 30 and I was immediately into her. Until I saw her friend. Once I noticed her friend I told them I just want her. Nonetheless, they all came back to Haven Hotel and their was a rooftop party so the other 2 went up to that. I had negotiated 600 k no condom everything for 4 hours. Kept asking if she was okay with it and she said she was. I'm not into pressuring someone to do something they aren't comfortable with, and I showed her my recent STD tests from last week which are all clean.

So. She goes into the shower. Comes out, and says she wants the money up front. I tell her I'm not comfortable with that and she is welcome to leave. Somehow she convinces me to give her half. Well immediately she switches and says condom everything with the 300 k in her hand. At this point, I just told her to leave. I hate liars more than I hate getting played. Well I guess I hate them both because getting played is getting lied to. I threw her shoes outside told her to get dressed and to leave.

This morning this girl hits me up from Bumble. 23 and my type. Says she wants to come over. We negotiate 350 k no condom everything, kissing, etc. She says she wants to bring her friend. Sends pictures of her friend 20 years old, spinner type. So 2 spinner types, tight bodies, and good attitudes. I had a good feeling about this. She says for the threesome it's 400 k each. No problem with that. Lesbian show, no condom everything, kissing, etc.

Well, they arrive, and they LIVE up to the hype and more. It was a great experience and they want to do it again. They even videoed the whole thing for me, while I was with one the other would video, and of course there were so moments I also videoed. I did not eat or drink around them, and wouldn't, but never got the vibe I needed to be worried. But never let your guard down.

The 35 year old who was discussing marriage and VISA to US is coming over tonight. We are getting dinner and I have no idea how this is going to go. I'm not really my best self, kinda been drinking since I arrived yesterday, so we will just have to see.

I also found this girl from Tinder who is like a little Madame. She's got a whole set of tight, very hot, younger girls for 350 k an hour, BBBJ, DFK, and then 50 k to her. I'm going to ask her if she minds me giving out her number to people. She is a great contact to have. She sent like 65 photos of these girls (not 65 girls probably 15 to choose from).

And the girl that was going to fly out from Barranquilla, well she is on her period apparently, so maybe she comes toward the end of the trip. We will see. We did video chat and she's just as hot as her photos on Instagram.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3001612]We negotiate 350 k no condom everything, kissing, etc..... She says for the threesome it's 400 k each. No problem with that. Lesbian show, no condom everything, kissing, etc. [/QUOTE]You are negotiating backward. It should not cost more to have threesome. I am writing so other newbies are aware.

[QUOTE=AstroMan;3001580]Do you counter with a price or just appear reluctant and let them go lower?[/QUOTE]I have reported about it last year. Nomar's has reported similar pricing recently. I think it's is more about confidence. I was only looking for upgrade opportunity. My Spanish is bad. I politely told them I don't have to pay the price that's for tourists. I didn't counter with a price because I was not going to take them. I said before, it's similar to a poker game.

Get Listerin and plenty of towels in your room so you can have the girls clean themselves. There is a wealth of information here but many ignore them. You will evolve your own style over time.

Those are very informative trip reports from Astro Man and MikeBayArea. That is a very long trip report from Astro Man so try not to reply citing the entire trip report again. It just clutters up this thread especially if a few guys do it. As for MikeBayArea, I am glad to hear that things are going well after a long research period asking a lot of questions. Reality on the ground is your best learning experience.

It has been raining a lot and more rain coming this week. It does put a damper on things and makes traveling a bit harder.

I am here for a bit longer so I take my time and I don't feel the need to have as much sex as possible. There is always tomorrow and the day after that and so on.

After a few trips, you do build up a steady roster of regulars that you can rely on, and there is less urgency to find new girls. But girls do drop out, disappear or disappoint and then you do need to find replacements.

[QUOTE=OldParr;3001646]You do not give them panties from Victoria Secrets to get better service? You do not model the panties like KeviKevi to get better service?[/QUOTE]The panties only come out after the good service as a propina. Leads to a fun foto session for my memory book and gives them something to remind them of me when I'm away. FYI boys I have never taken a girl off the street, out of a club or in a casa and I have around 20 that will come to my luxury airbnb and give BBFS with long dates and overnights. Some I take to dinner. I can't even remember the last time I put on a condom in this town. They are all from FB or insta and all are semi pros with jobs or going to school. Several work webcam. The VS costs me $5, its not like I'm giving out iphones and I never send any of them money. And they are hot, all 8's and 9's.

Hi,

This is my first visit to Medellin. My trip is short. I don't have time to look for girls online. I would like to live close to one of these areas.

1) I don't know where to book a hotel. I would like to live close to one of these areas.

Plaza Botero area. OR. Parque Lleras area.

Which area is better to choose? Where there are more brothels?

2) How it works in the Park Lleras? Do the girls who work there have their own place nearby? Or do I need to rent something (motel) myself?

3) If you know any good brothels, could you please recommend a few and the addresses.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=OldParr;3001646]You do not give them panties from Victoria Secrets to get better service? You do not model the panties like KeviKevi to get better service?[/QUOTE]Of course I am not wearing VS panties. Must have been a typo. I was trying to make a larger point. I don't seek a "service. " I don't want that type of experience. That VS shit is cheap but enhances the experience. Since I visit quite often I see many girls regularly. I prefer to do that than to have "one offs" which are unpredictable.

Also, when It rains in MDE, I don't have any problems with having someone coming over. When it rains the best looking girls don't go out.

[QUOTE=Nounce;3001781]I am writing so other newbies are aware.[/QUOTE]This is one way to look at the pricing. Put in your own numbers.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3001612]We negotiate 350 k no condom everything, kissing, etc.[/QUOTE]It is 300 + 50 for taxi. Two girls will be 300+300+50 since the girl proposed and came with the girl. I personally have never paid taxi twice in this situation.

The girl is trying to sell you something. You have the upper hand and should be in control of how you want to spend your money.

If it is you who propose, then it is a different scenario.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;3001136]And since Seeking displays your net worth (even if you are lying about it), imagine what kind of bullseye you've got on your back coming into a country where the average person would never earn a tenth of that in three lifetimes.[/QUOTE]I would put zero.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3001843]I am not one who modeling the panties. Since I am in Medellin several times per year I am not seeking a "service" type of encounter. I don't want "one offs" either and prefer to have something lined up instead having find someone in a park at a late hour.

I like taking pics and making videos. If that's not not thing that's fine. The VS stuff is cheap and it enhances the experience.[/QUOTE]We try to give out some helpful advice to enhance the monger experience and all we get is a bunch of grief from the trolls.

[QUOTE=OldParr;3001646]You do not give them panties from Victoria Secrets to get better service? You do not model the panties like KeviKevi to get better service?[/QUOTE]I would wear the girls' panties on my head and sniff them to see if they were nasty or nice, but never wear the panties. They would be too small for me.

Hi,

This is my first visit to Medellin. My trip is short. I don't have time to look for girls online. I would like to live close to one of these areas.

1) I don't know where to book a hotel. I would like to live close to one of these areas.

Plaza Botero area. OR. Parque Lleras area.

Which area is better to choose? Where there are more brothels?

2) How it works in the Park Lleras? Do the girls who work there have their own place nearby? Or do I need to rent something (motel) myself?

3) If you know any good brothels, could you please recommend a few and the addresses.

I pretty much done all the other venue's like casa's, FB, prepagos. It cost's 109.99 for a month. Is the possibility of getting BBFS higher on Seeking than anywhere else what do the girls usually charge and do you usually come straight forward and ask them for sex on the site?

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;3001883]I pretty much done all the other venue's like casa's, FB, prepagos. It cost's 109.99 for a month. Is the possibility of getting BBFS higher on Seeking than anywhere else what do the girls usually charge and do you usually come straight forward and ask them for sex on the site?[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say it's much different than Bumble or Tinder, although there are some girls on Seeking that aren't on the other sites. In terms of price, they probably ask a little bit more. I'm not super experienced but that's my brief observation and I'm on Tinder and Bumble, as well. In terms of BBFS I would say your chances are the same on Seeking as they are on Bumble or Tinder.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3001843]I am not one who modeling the panties. Since I am in Medellin several times per year I am not seeking a "service" type of encounter. I don't want "one offs" either and prefer to have something lined up instead having find someone in a park at a late hour.

I like taking pics and making videos. If that's not not thing that's fine. The VS stuff is cheap and it enhances the experience.[/QUOTE]It doesn't matter you give them gold chain or VS, girls in Medellin have short memory and they forget right away. They never appreciate generosity and think that you have so much money to throw away. Gifts excite them for a moment though and the service would be the same unfortunat3 ely at least in my case. In addition, the problem is they would expect regalos all the time.

Mind is a powerful thing. It does not matter what the girls think. It works as long as the man thinks it works.

[QUOTE=Tony2;3001872]2) How it works in the Park Lleras? Do the girls who work there have their own place nearby? Or do I need to rent something (motel) myself?[/QUOTE]No working girls live in Parque Lleras or Provenza; you might see a few who actually live in Laureles but the vast majority live far away where the prices are cheaper (e. G. Bello, Centro). In general, and especially as a newbie, you should never be going with a chica to her place for variety of reasons, the most important one being safety. And really, do you want to hang out with her kids and mama in a no-AC apartment with minimal hot water?

All of the girls will head back to your place with you as long as you live fairly close by (I've stayed in Laureles without issue). If you are somehow really far out, give them a heads up and most might ask for a little more but should still go with you. There aren't love motels in the area from my experience so you should plan to either book a place near Lleras or another safer area like Laureles that is close-ish. In Colombia, better safe than sorry, so always book the place and secure it beforehand to avoid any mishaps.

Exact same message from 2 different profiles.

[QUOTE=Tony2;3001872]Hi,

This is my first visit to Medellin. My trip is short. I don't have time to look for girls online. I would like to live close to one of these areas.

1) I don't know where to book a hotel. I would like to live close to one of these areas.

Plaza Botero area. OR. Parque Lleras area.

Which area is better to choose? Where there are more brothels?

2) How it works in the Park Lleras? Do the girls who work there have their own place nearby? Or do I need to rent something (motel) myself?

3) If you know any good brothels, could you please recommend a few and the addresses.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Igor54;3001805]Hi,

This is my first visit to Medellin. My trip is short. I don't have time to look for girls online. I would like to live close to one of these areas.

1) I don't know where to book a hotel. I would like to live close to one of these areas.

Plaza Botero area. OR. Parque Lleras area.

Which area is better to choose? Where there are more brothels?

2) How it works in the Park Lleras? Do the girls who work there have their own place nearby? Or do I need to rent something (motel) myself?

3) If you know any good brothels, could you please recommend a few and the addresses.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElPostino;3001896]It doesn't matter you give them gold chain or VS, girls in Medellin have short memory and they forget right away. They never appreciate generosity and think that you have so much money to throw away. Gifts excite them for a moment though and the service would be the same unfortunat3 ely at least in my case. In addition, the problem is they would expect regalos all the time.[/QUOTE]I was chatting with a girl this week that I had meet over 3 1/2 years ago and I haven't seen her for over 3 years now. Out of the blue, she messaged me to say Hello, and I am considering seeing her again. As we are chatting, she says in Spanish, "My child really enjoys playing with those Lego blocks you gave me when we first met. I really like that gift. " I didn't even remember giving her that gift. I was clearing out old toys from my house and decided to bring some to Medellin to give away to girls with kids. 3 1/2 years later, this girl remembered the gift that I had given there and is still appreciative of the gift. I have also had girls tell me a year or two years later about how much they liked the gift that I had given them. In most cases, I don't remember what gifts I had given them but they did.

So I guess I have to disagree that girls in Medellin have short memories and forget right away.

[QUOTE=Nounce;3001900]Mind is a powerful thing. It does not matter what the girls think. It works as long as the man thinks it works.[/QUOTE]I have been known to cuss a broad out and still get great service. To think that you bringing a hooker a pair of underwear is the reason you are getting good service is fucking funny and ridiculous. Try not paying her and see the service you get. Try not giving the gift and see yourself get the exact same pussy as anybody else not trying to butter them up with trinkets. Some of you guys really need girlfriends to display your romantic side to. These are prostitutes you are trying to impress.

[QUOTE=ElPostino;3001896]It doesn't matter you give them gold chain or VS, girls in Medellin have short memory and they forget right away. They never appreciate generosity and think that you have so much money to throw away. Gifts excite them for a moment though and the service would be the same unfortunat3 ely at least in my case. In addition, the problem is they would expect regalos all the time.[/QUOTE]It works for me. I usually see the same girls every time I go there. If they are out of town then I'll see someone else. I don't offer things to strangers.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3001922]I was chatting with a girl this week that I had meet over 3 1/2 years ago and I haven't seen her for over 3 years now. Out of the blue, she messaged me to say Hello, and I am considering seeing her again. As we are chatting, she says in Spanish, "My child really enjoys playing with those Lego blocks you gave me when we first met. I really like that gift. " I didn't even remember giving her that gift. I was clearing out old toys from my house and decided to bring some to Medellin to give away to girls with kids. 3 1/2 years later, this girl remembered the gift that I had given there and is still appreciative of the gift. I have also had girls tell me a year or two years later about how much they liked the gift that I had given them. In most cases, I don't remember what gifts I had given them but they did.

So I guess I have to disagree that girls in Medellin have short memories and forget right away.[/QUOTE]Of course there are some exceptions for. Again, it happened in my case with many girls in the last five years. Then stopped giving them as they started demanding.

[QUOTE=Igor54;3001805]This is my first visit to Medellin. My trip is short. I don't have time to look for girls online. [/QUOTE]You said your trip is in August. This is May. You have 3 months to look for girls online.

[QUOTE=Nounce;3001546]One venni told me 400 is the price local Cololmbians (LOS Colombianos) paid. Unless the men like the gangster, tattoo style, I will be surprised that is true.[/QUOTE]She's full of crap. I'm on the spanish Colombian hooker forum, and many Colombians look for under 100, and few would pay more than 300.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3001938]I have been known to cuss a broad out and still get great service. To think that you bringing a hooker a pair of underwear is the reason you are getting good service is fucking funny and ridiculous. [/QUOTE]It does not have be be good service. It can be all in one's mind. It just means you are different from them. They don't have to listen to you because you don't experience what they experience.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;3001883]I pretty much done all the other venue's like casa's, FB, prepagos. It cost's 109.99 for a month. Is the possibility of getting BBFS higher on Seeking than anywhere else what do the girls usually charge and do you usually come straight forward and ask them for sex on the site?[/QUOTE]I take it back. Seeking is definitely not worth it. As I scroll through Tinder and Bumble I pretty much have seen every girl from Seeking on either Bumble or Tinder. I guess, the only benefit of Seeking is you don't have to match. You can message directly. But I guess if it's a girl that doesn't want to match might not be a good date anyway.

The 35 year old woman I met was from seeking. She didn't ask for money or anything because she is trying to play the long game for marriage. But we also didn't hook up.

Okay, so update on the Tinder girl who is staying for 3 days for 1 million. Absolute smoke show in every way. Her personality is amazing. Ok, I'm officially sold on Colombia. I get it now. I have zero concerns about drugging. She's just not that type of person. I'm a pretty good judge of character, and I really like this girl. We are on day 2, and perhaps she stays longer. Going to get dinner tonight in Provenza. What a dream Colombia can be. Especially coming from the states where a 3 or 4 women won't even look at you even though you are out of her league. I'm exaggerating, I do and can get women in the states, but we all know what they are like. Pretty much not worth the hassle in 90% of the cases.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3001940]It works for me. I usually see the same girls every time I go there. If they are out of town then I'll see someone else. I don't offer things to strangers.[/QUOTE]I truly don't get why everyone has to have an opinion about guys buying girls panties and taking pictures. They like to do that. Too much time on this board spent covering such a trivial thing.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3001938]I have been known to cuss a broad out and still get great service. To think that you bringing a hooker a pair of underwear is the reason you are getting good service is fucking funny and ridiculous. Try not paying her and see the service you get. Try not giving the gift and see yourself get the exact same pussy as anybody else not trying to butter them up with trinkets. Some of you guys really need girlfriends to display your romantic side to. These are prostitutes you are trying to impress.[/QUOTE]The guy who brought this up, said they FB and online girls, semi-pro's and he never asserted that he is getting good service for this. He asserted he likes the photo shoots and the memories. Can we just be done with this discussion already.

[QUOTE=Nounce;3001546] One venni told me 400 is the price local Cololmbians (LOS Colombianos) paid. [/QUOTE]If anyone believes this chica then they're re truly out of touch with the real Colombia and only live in a Gringo World.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3001938]To think that you bringing a hooker a pair of underwear is the reason you are getting good service is fucking funny and ridiculous.[/QUOTE]If you were the girl, and some stranger tried to give you new underwear, how would you feel? Put yourself in her place. Probably you would feel insulted, like there was something wrong with the underwear you had and were wearing? Right. So the woman would not be favorably impressed if some stranger tried to replace her regular underwear with some different underwear. Or she would be suspicious, like maybe there was a web camera in the underwear by the front, to capture her pee hole.

Certainly if I were a woman I would want to wash the underwear at home before putting it on, or modeling it, the strange man probably used it to jack off with and left his cum in it.

If you think that is the best way to a woman's vagina, put yourself in her place. How would you feel if a strange woman tried to give you new underwear?? Like she felt there was something wrong with the underwear you had on!

This is the most realistic post I've read here in a long time.

[QUOTE=Queens35;3002045]She's full of crap. I'm on the spanish Colombian hooker forum, and many Colombians look for under 100, and few would pay more than 300.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3002076]The guy who brought this up, said they FB and online girls, semi-pro's and he never asserted that he is getting good service for this. He asserted he likes the photo shoots and the memories. Can we just be done with this discussion already.[/QUOTE]If you develop a stable of semi pro chicas in MDE and see them regularly, like 3-4 times a year, and get to know them the VS $5 panties are a big hit and a lot of fun after a great fairly priced session. Some of these loser trolls on here will argue endlessly about anything so get used to it while you are searching for valuable info. I just got back from another very successful trip.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3002073]Okay, so update on the Tinder girl who is staying for 3 days for 1 million. Absolute smoke show in every way. Her personality is amazing. Ok, I'm officially sold on Colombia. I get it now. I have zero concerns about drugging. She's just not that type of person. I'm a pretty good judge of character, and I really like this girl. We are on day 2, and perhaps she stays longer. Going to get dinner tonight in Provenza. What a dream Colombia can be. Especially coming from the states where a 3 or 4 women won't even look at you even though you are out of her league. I'm exaggerating, I do and can get women in the states, but we all know what they are like. Pretty much not worth the hassle in 90% of the cases.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3002070]
The 35 year old woman I met was from seeking. She didn't ask for money or anything because she is trying to play the long game for marriage. But we also didn't hook up.[/QUOTE]Well, you get most of it. You have been a quick study. This last statement is showing you are not all the way there yet. You still have the john mindset where a beautiful young woman could only be with you only if she is looking for $. Why does the 35 year old or any other woman have to be playing the "long game"? There are stunning Colombian women who will go out with you just to share your company just if you pick up the tab on dates. It is not all of them but trust me, they are there. I see them with every trip I take to Colombia.

The Girl next door type whom I met in Medellin off Seeking was for me a really good first date. It was fun: good food, conversation, and sex. For her, she told me later it was the best night of her life. What I thought of as a good first date was really special to this one Colombian woman, and I think in hindsight she was not the only one who would say that. It is not that I am that great. It is just that the expectations of Colombian women on dates is usually pretty low.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3002070]So, I like the idea of meeting an online girl and taking her to lunch to see the connection. But what are the expectations here? If I don't like her, and say no, is she going to lose her shit for going out to lunch. Does she want me to pay her to take her to lunch?[/QUOTE]And there is getting out of the American mind set about women where if a woman is upset or offended, the whole world must stop. If you do not like a woman and do not want to spend time with her, who cares how she feels? This whole notion that men cause women to have certain feelings versus the women having themselves herself is nuts. Her feelings are her issue not yours, but I can see why you think that would be a potential problem. There is literally no situation in the USA where a woman cannot be a victim and men are the reason for female suffering.

When I have seen Colombian women out of line with what they want, they get slapped right back into place by other women. There is not a legal system that rewards "victims". Americans are familiar with male machismo. They do not know about female marianismo. [URL]https://hiplatina.com/marianismo-latina-mental-health/[/URL].

"We have been told that our opinion does not matter. We have been told that we need to put others' needs before our own. We have been told that men are superior to women. We have been told that we always have to be loving. We have been told that we have to be submissive. ".

I do not embrace all of this, but believe me, when I came to Colombia, this lack of the victim mindset and accepting responsibility for your feelings and behavior was a welcome change. You are not going to hear the incessant complaining about men in public spaces like you do in the USA.

Shakira's tour name reflected that mentality. The name of her tour translates to real women do not cry, they earn and pay the bills.

The victim mindset is why I swore off American women.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;3002130]If you were the girl, and some stranger tried to give you new underwear, how would you feel? Put yourself in her place. Probably you would feel insulted, like there was something wrong with the underwear you had and were wearing? Right. So the woman would not be favorably impressed if some stranger tried to replace her regular underwear with some different underwear. Or she would be suspicious, like maybe there was a web camera in the underwear by the front, to capture her pee hole.

Certainly if I were a woman I would want to wash the underwear at home before putting it on, or modeling it, the strange man probably used it to jack off with and left his cum in it.

If you think that is the best way to a woman's vagina, put yourself in her place. How would you feel if a strange woman tried to give you new underwear?? Like she felt there was something wrong with the underwear you had on![/QUOTE]You make it sound like people are approaching women on the street and asking personal questions. I have women I see regularly who like lingerie that I buy for them. I ask if they like VS and everyone has always said "yes. ".

If it's not your thing that's fine. But, I am doing quite well thank you.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;3002130]If you were the girl, and some stranger tried to give you new underwear, how would you feel? Put yourself in her place. Probably you would feel insulted, like there was something wrong with the underwear you had and were wearing? Right.[/QUOTE]LOL. I don't fucking know. I guess I do not look at hookers the same as some other guys do. To me, bringing a hooker a gift is like going up to McDonald's with a gift for the cashier. It is just weird to me. Then what do you say before you leave? Make sure you wear them for your next customer; he is sure to enjoy how they look on you? Then when the next guy compliments her, what does she say? Thanks. The guy before you, James, brought them for me. I am not really a fan of the color, but hey, they were free. ?

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;3002130]If you were the girl, and some stranger tried to give you new underwear, how would you feel? Put yourself in her place. Probably you would feel insulted, like there was something wrong with the underwear you had and were wearing? Right.[/QUOTE]LOL. I don't fucking know. I guess I do not look at hookers the same as some other guys do. To me, bringing a hooker a gift is like going up to McDonald's with a gift for the cashier. It is just weird to me. Then what do you say before you leave? Make sure you wear them for your next customer; he is sure to enjoy how they look on you? Then when the next guy compliments her, what does she say? Thanks. The guy before you, James, brought them for me. I am not really a fan of the color, but hey, they were free. ?

[QUOTE=Queens35;3002045]I'm on the spanish Colombian hooker forum, and many Colombians look for under 100, and few would pay more than 300.[/QUOTE]Can you name the forum?

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I agree please stop arguing about the panties haha. Who actually cares?

No one read my loooong ass trip report because there are three pages of people talking about panties. I know it's long as shit though so that's probably the main reason. If you are looking for chica friendly hotels or a cheap threesome there's a lot of useful info in there though. People literally post right after asking questions about booking hotels. Will make my future trip reports more digestible.

If you are a strange guy giving her panties obviously she will think you are strange. If you are not then she won't? Especially if they are wrapped? Who literally cares, not everything has to be so polarizing. Most of us wouldn't do it but that guy likes doing it so live and let live.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3002258]Well, you get most of it. You have been a quick study. This last statement is showing you are not all the way there yet. You still have the john mindset where a beautiful young woman could only be with you only if she is looking for $. Why does the 35 year old or any other woman have to be playing the "long game"? There are stunning Colombian women who will go out with you just to share your company just if you pick up the tab on dates. It is not all of them but trust me, they are there. I see them with every trip I take to Colombia.

The Girl next door type whom I met in Medellin off Seeking was for me a really good first date. It was fun: good food, conversation, and sex. For her, she told me later it was the best night of her life. What I thought of as a good first date was really special to this one Colombian woman, and I think in hindsight she was not the only one who would say that. It is not that I am that great. It is just that the expectations of Colombian women on dates is usually pretty low.

And there is getting out of the American mind set about women where if a woman is upset or offended, the whole world must stop. If you do not like a woman and do not want to spend time with her, who cares how she feels?[/QUOTE]I agree with the first part. Again, covered in my loooong ass trip report on days 5 and 6 but the girl I met on tinder turned out to be a total civilian also had a the time of her life, never mentioned money or marriage and cried multiple times that I had to leave. But she never tried to get me to stay or keep things going with her long distance or send her money or anything. She just had a great time.

Not every girl in Colombia is a hooker. But I agree it feels sort of rare when you are scrolling through semi pro and pro dating app profiles. Gives you a skewed perspective.

Has she mentioned marriage? If she's 35 she could be thinking about that but YOU are possibly overthinking it. It sounds like you are enjoying your trip so you will probably be back. Just take it one step a time and sample the full scene.

I think it's good to be conscious of a girl's feelings and not string her along but you sure as shit don't owe her anything even if you go on to spend multiple nights together. People in the US sometimes date for years with no intention or promise of marriage.

[QUOTE=Queens35;3002045]I'm on the spanish Colombian hooker forum..[/QUOTE]I know exactly what Spanish Forum you are talking about because I use it and stay connected to the Colombian Community and their reviews in regards to P4P.

IMO Gringos would destroy that forum with their arrogance and entitlement along with boasting and bragging. It's best to keep it FCR "Fight Club Rules". A lot of Gringos affect the P4P culture negatively. Let them stay where the other Gringos are at and cohabitate together with their meet ups with each other, bar crawls and sleep overs.

Heading back to MDE for good times with great chicas next month 6/17-22. Should be fun, as always.

If you're going to be around, send me a PM and we can get together for a beer at Gato Blanco, or somewhere else.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3002258]Well, you get most of it. You have been a quick study. This last statement is showing you are not all the way there yet. You still have the john mindset where a beautiful young woman could only be with you only if she is looking for $. Why does the 35 year old or any other woman have to be playing the "long game"? There are stunning Colombian women who will go out with you just to share your company just if you pick up the tab on dates. It is not all of them but trust me, they are there. I see them with every trip I take to Colombia.

The Girl next door type whom I met in Medellin off Seeking was for me a really good first date. It was fun: good food, conversation, and sex. For her, she told me later it was the best night of her life. What I thought of as a good first date was really special to this one Colombian woman, and I think in hindsight she was not the only one who would say that. It is not that I am that great. It is just that the expectations of Colombian women on dates is usually pretty low.

And there is getting out of the American mind set about women where if a woman is upset or offended, the whole world must stop. If you do not like a woman and do not want to spend time with her, who cares how she feels? This whole notion that men cause women to have certain feelings versus the women having themselves herself is nuts. Her feelings are her issue not yours, but I can see why you think that would be a potential problem. There is literally no situation in the USA where a woman cannot be a victim and men are the reason for female suffering.

When I have seen Colombian women out of line with what they want, they get slapped right back into place by other women. There is not a legal system that rewards "victims". Americans are familiar with male machismo. They do not know about female marianismo. [URL]https://hiplatina.com/marianismo-latina-mental-health/[/URL].

"We have been told that our opinion does not matter. We have been told that we need to put others' needs before our own. We have been told that men are superior to women. We have been told that we always have to be loving. We have been told that we have to be submissive. ".

I do not embrace all of this, but believe me, when I came to Colombia, this lack of the victim mindset and accepting responsibility for your feelings and behavior was a welcome change. You are not going to hear the incessant complaining about men in public spaces like you do in the USA.

Shakira's tour name reflected that mentality. The name of her tour translates to real women do not cry, they earn and pay the bills.

The victim mindset is why I swore off American women.[/QUOTE]Oh boy where do I start. I'll be short.

I know delusions can be alluring. But when reality hits they can be painful or worse damaging also.

If a good looking Colombiana is dating you, there is a motive. Whatever that maybe. An upgrade. A green card. A scam. Financial help or whatever.

The delusion is that if you're a middle aged male that knows little Spanish and thinks you're entering some organic relationship. Take your blinders off.

That's not reality. All I'm saying is enjoy the fantasy, see it for what it is and stop with the lecturing.

Alternatively double down and know you deserve what you have coming. It's no more complicated than that.

Now if you're 20's, a fit good looking, solid Spanish speaker with US income and was pulling estrato 6 young women, you know the ones that get out of their Toyota forerunner SUVs with their amiga and have 2 cute well groomed dogs with them. I'm not saying the same. But they are not going to date the miggle aged overweight gringo. So a dose of reality is needed.

There's many other scenarios where a good looking Colombian will show you a good time but for most of us its a love fantasy.

[QUOTE=ElBacano;3002329]OK 👍 guys theres nothing wrong with giving a gift to these poor girls. Mr. No personality doesn't have a clue to developing some good kharma. With me. Being an expert of course. Will do things outside the normal and making people happy. Never hurts. No matter how awkward or stupid. Guys be cool with the girls and be rewarded.[/QUOTE]It is crazy to think that girls would not like gifts. Who doesn't like gifts? If it is not something she likes, she can always give it to a friend who would appreciate it. I don't know about other guys but I give gifts without expecting anything in return. It is a gift, a gesture of appreciation to the girl usually for past performances. The price of the gifts are insignificant to me and to most guys. Most girls are appreciative of the gifts. You can give gifts if you want and you can not give gifts if you want. But no reason to criticize guys who give gifts to girls. Is it the same as giving a gift to the casher at McDonalds's? Only if the girl from McDonald's is engaging in intimate acts with me.

Now some guys say, these girls are all working girls and you should treat them like the working girls that they are. That isn't my attitude when I meet a girl in Medellin. Not all girls are the same as the streetwalkers you see in El Centro.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3002152]This is the most realistic post I've read here in a long time.[/QUOTE]I went with Colombian men to La Isla and they didn't have problem spending money.

[QUOTE=Nounce;3001546] I felt a rush of adrenaline when I saw this girl who dressed normally with a backpack. The first restriction coming out of her is no kisses, the second is with condom. She has a sidekick in white dress like a working girl. Saw two others with the same outcome. The prices are 400,150 USD, 450. These are what I would take on the spot regardless the price if not for the restrictions which is very rare.[/QUOTE]She hit me up so I talked to her a bit to try to see if the condition can be changed. Haha. It seems she has enough repeat customers and she has a sizable income. She gave me a number. She is 18. So there are enough men that are accepting very restrictive sex. BTW, the girl that charged 150 USD don't even do blow job. This is worst than being priced out of the market.

[QUOTE=Nounce;3002380]She hit me up so I talked to her a bit to try to see if the condition can be changed. Haha. It seems she has enough repeat customers and she has a sizable income. She gave me a number. She is 18. So there are enough men that are accepting very restrictive sex. BTW, the girl that charged 150 USD don't even do blow job. This is worst than being priced out of the market.[/QUOTE]I will say yes you are being priced out, typically "those" overpaying (I'm pretty sure everyone knows the most culpable demo).

That are destroying the market, are overpaying, tipping, buying gifts, dinners, and accepting the most absolute minimal worthless service.

Its all part and parcel of the cancer that they are on this hobby (I'm not really sure why its so forbidden to discuss this issue like adult men without using code words etc.)

Intercontinental charges a $150 USD joiner fee.

[QUOTE=AstroMan;3001641]Notes:

- This is my first trip report and it's going to be long and probably not that helpful to anyone. It's more like a novel for myself haha.

- This was my second trip to Medellin and fifth or sixth trip where I have engaged in the hobby.

- I speak very very basic Spanish with a good accent but terrible vocabulary. 
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When I travel I stay in different hotels almost every night because I have lots of free nights and points to use from different chains and I don't mind bouncing around I find it fun. I also get late checkout and early check in sometimes so I don't have to wait around between check out and check in..[/QUOTE]

Okay, it's Day 7 now. Crazy. Time flies. The Tinder girl was fantastic but had her leave after 2. 5 days. I got sick of the translation app all the time. But no complaints whatsoever. Shortly after, it's 6 am in the morning, and I take a stroll by Lleras. I see a beautiful paisa, 26 anos, with a big smile (the smile continued the entire service). 300 k for hour, massage, and everything I like. Great time.

Updates on the smokeshow 35 year old. Have spent time with her twice and not even a kiss. She also has NOT asked for money. She was in love with a 55 year old guy from Miami, white dude with money, who even tried to get her finance visa but the Visa was denied. She is still in love with this guy. They broke up 2 months ago and she is pissed because he has a 25 year old girlfriend now whom he posts on instagram. She keeps telling me that she needs time to develop chemistry and she is different form most girls in Colombia. I don't believe it. If she was interested she would have a least kissed me. But god damn, she is very hot. Funny thing though, I correctly commented that she had a nose job. And sure enough, 4 years ago she did, I asked to see the photos before. She looked like a completely different person! From average girl with great body to model looking beautiful. Crazy how much the nose influences our face. She also says she wants to get another nose job to make it pointier. I told her not too. That she is focused on the wrong things. She's literally the type of girl that guys stare at wherever she goes, she didn't lose the dude in Miami because of her nose. She agreed, but she's still going to do it I bet.

Definitely do recommend Tinder / bumble over Seeking. Seeking is not worth it in Colombia I do recommend Haven Hotel, though. Have met several travelers on the Rooftop Bar at Haven Hotel with great connections for ladies and other things in Medellin. They allow 1 guest per 25 hours or it's an additional 125 k for additional guests. Oh, I can't say I recommend any clubs / restaurants directly around Parque Llares. There's the big restaurant at the corner at the entrance of the park. Well I sit down and literally nobody comes for 10 minutes (and the place is not busy). So I walk up to the guy and he wants to charge me 30 k for a tiny beer (half the size of a normal beer). Well, the restaurant has good views of the park, so I take out my card and he says "no card" and then I take out a 100 k bill (all I had) and he says "no change". Which is all bullshit of course. Dude didn't like me because I'm a gringo is my opinion. It's the biggest restaurant in the park and they have no change for 100 k? I stared the dude down hard knowing what was up and left. Would not ever go there again and recommend you don't, as well.

Sorry, not the best report, but it's 6:41 am, I'm a bit hungover, but wanted to provided some recent boots to the ground updates nonetheless.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3002152]This is the most realistic post I've read here in a long time.[/QUOTE]One of the worst problems in Colombia is the widespread social inequality and the gap between high and low strata.

The Girl next door type whom I met in Medellin off Seeking was for me a really good first date. It was fun: good food, conversation, and sex. For her, she told me later it was the best night of her life. What I thought of as a good first date was really special to this one Colombian woman, and I think in hindsight she was not the only one who would say that. It is not that I am that great. It is just that the expectations of Colombian women on dates is usually pretty low.

I really do have to remember this. Coming from the USA it's completely opposite. I have met some girls here who really demonstrate what you are saying. But have not met any yet that haven't asked for money, except for the 35 year old, who also hasn't even kissed me.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3002367]It is crazy to think that girls would not like gifts. Who doesn't like gifts? If it is not something she likes, she can always give it to a friend who would appreciate it. I don't know about other guys but I give gifts without expecting anything in return. It is a gift, a gesture of appreciation to the girl usually for past performances. The price of the gifts are insignificant to me and to most guys. Most girls are appreciative of the gifts. You can give gifts if you want and you can not give gifts if you want. But no reason to criticize guys who give gifts to girls. Is it the same as giving a gift to the casher at McDonalds's? Only if the girl from McDonald's is engaging in intimate acts with me.

Now some guys say, these girls are all working girls and you should treat them like the working girls that they are. That isn't my attitude when I meet a girl in Medellin. Not all girls are the same as the streetwalkers you see in El Centro.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Girls love gifts and underwear. I think the ones responding negatively to these posts are used to the hardened pros and they can't imagine picking a girl up at Parque Lleras or Centro and then giving her some underwear at the end of the session, which admittedly would be kind of awkward but still likely received well by the girl. They just can't imagine how different the experience is with a semi pro or college girl who is from seeking, facebook, tinder, or bumble, where an actual lasting connection builds with repeat visits. I'm convinced this is the case.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;3002363]Oh boy where do I start. I'll be short. Now if you're 20's, a fit good looking, solid Spanish speaker with US income and was pulling estrato 6 young women, you know the ones that get out of their Toyota forerunner SUVs with their amiga and have 2 cute well groomed dogs with them. I'm not saying the same. But they are not going to date the miggle aged overweight gringo..[/QUOTE]The reality is the women you are talking about are my neighbors, and the guys you are talking about I have never seen. You are paying $40 or $50 to get laid hanging around hookers and have put the estrato 6 woman on a pedestal.

The girl my gal's daughter took to the concert with us has two parents who are both doctors. She lives in Cartagena and had never been to a concert or been to Medellin. We had another guy on here who said that estrato 6 women were unreachable for guys here. I laughed because when he said that I had banged half a dozen of them.

I know where you are coming from because I had the john mindset too. I did the shit tests and unlike in the USA, the women were showing real interest in me, and it confused me. So you are saying if the women pass the short term shit tests and show interest in you beyond $, then they are playing the long term con. Hookers as great long term planners is something else I have not seen.

As short term as American hookers are, Colombian women because of their circumstances are 100 X more likely to be short term oriented. The only women I knew who even considered the long term were white collar women or those studying to be white collar. As Viliany smartly said, long term in Colombia is an hour.

The principle of Marianismo is that the Colombian women unlike American women do not wear their victimhood on their sleeves. Because of that principle, the Latin men get away with more than virtually any other race. The most sought after men in Colombia are not loyal. Of all the men I met, there may have been one I would say has not been with other women when married, and I am not even sure about him.

There is no point in arguing about it. I would have denied what I am saying here 15 years ago and been angry at someone bringing it up. Look at the women I am fucking. Look at the great sex I have. Thing is banging hot women was enough for a while. It is just that the quick walk of shame women do when they are done after having sex for money took away the positive feelings I had of having sex. The hooker experience was as satisfying as fast food. It fills a need, but I did not feel good when I was done. I did not want that feeling anymore.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;3002363]Alternatively double down and know you deserve what you have coming. It's no more complicated than that.[/QUOTE]Well, I had a painful breakup before being with the woman I have now. If I did not have that, I would not have gotten the woman I have now. Sometimes you need pain to make necessary changes.

I have had this discussion many times before, and I know how these things end. The hooker sex will get old for you too. And you will find someone who seems interested in you, you will do shit tests, a woman will pass, and you will open up to her.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;3002363]......If a good looking Colombiana is dating you, there is a motive. Whatever that maybe........[/QUOTE]If a good looking woman is dating you, there is a motive.

No good looking woman dates a man who is not more financially well off than she is.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3002501]
I really do have to remember this. Coming from the USA it's completely opposite. I have met some girls here who really demonstrate what you are saying. But have not met any yet that haven't asked for money, except for the 35 year old, who also hasn't even kissed me.[/QUOTE]I do not want to give you the impression that not paying the women from seeking was normal. It was more like one in five that gave me the impression they did not want payment. Hell, I had one who tried to give me my money back. I was hunting for sugar baby material back then and did not plan on having a GF. It just happened.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3002501]But have not met any yet that haven't asked for money, except for the 35 year old, who also hasn't even kissed me.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it sounds like she is not a P4 P type. Thing is there is the impression that women who have the sweetest pussies make you wait the longest. I have not seen that to be true at all. It is more like if a woman really likes you, she wants to get you into bed as quickly as possible.

That said, I get the waiting part. Women want to feel somewhat comfortable with the guy when they have sex so they do not feel like a hooker, but if a woman makes you wait too long, IMO she really is not that into you. If by the third date, there is nothing, I would bail.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3002503]I think the ones responding negatively to these posts are used to the hardened pros and they can't imagine picking a girl up at Parque Lleras or Centro and then giving her some underwear at the end of the session, which admittedly would be kind of awkward but still likely received well by the girl. They just can't imagine how different the experience is with a semi pro or college girl who is from seeking, facebook, tinder, or bumble, where an actual lasting connection builds with repeat visits. I'm convinced this is the case.[/QUOTE]In my case you would be incorrect. I have been going to Colombia for 20 years and fucking 90% chicks who are not hookers. Not semi-pros. Just normal chicks that do not need to be paid. So I do have lasting connections that are not built on money or underwear. Some people that give underwear.

Are saying there is not a better experience, but others like you are saying it is.

Once I took a nurse that I mess with in Bogota to buy a Nike jacket for her birthday. There were no sparks or fireworks shooting out of the pussy when we got back to the hotel. Only difference was that I was $100 lighter in the pocket. In January I invited a chick in Barranquilla to meet me in Cartagena. Again it was the same pussy that I have been fucking for years in Barranquilla. No different experience.

What would happen by giving a hooker an extra $5 or even $10 in cash instead of $5 worth of underwear? Would there be a better experience? Or do $5 panties possess some type of magic that $10 cash does not?

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;3002421]I will say yes you are being priced out, typically "those" overpaying (I'm pretty sure everyone knows the most culpable demo).

That are destroying the market, are overpaying, tipping, buying gifts, dinners, and accepting the most absolute minimal worthless service.

Its all part and parcel of the cancer that they are on this hobby (I'm not really sure why its so forbidden to discuss this issue like adult men without using code words etc.)[/QUOTE]Whenever I come to Colombia, I never worry or think about what other guys are doing or paying. It is just silly because it is not within your control. You can't dictate what other guys will do. Just focus on what you want to do, see the girls that you want to see and pay what you can afford to pay. Now I know some of you will say well, these idiots are ruining the market. I would say the market is big enough to still see the type of girls that you like for the price that you want to pay. However, it is true that sometimes you have to recognize that the prices you paid a few years ago are not longer market rates and you need to adapt.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3002534]If a good looking woman is dating you, there is a motive.

No good looking woman dates a man who is not more financially well off than she is.[/QUOTE]Yes, unless you keep buying her new underwear! You may have a shot at her! Vict Secrets credit cards have benefits, but women always want more!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3002519]...... We had another guy on here who said that estrato 6 women were unreachable for guys here. I laughed because when he said that I had banged half a dozen of them.......[/QUOTE]I suppose people are different, if I was banging estrato 6 women there's no way I'd be hanging around a hooker website.

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[QUOTE=Turgid;3002591]I suppose people are different, if I was banging estrato 6 women there's no way I'd be hanging around a hooker website.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.medellinadvisors.com/gringo-pricing-and-medellin-apartment-rentals/[/URL]

This listing is priced at COP $1,100,000/$278 USD, monthly.

Not only is it located in an estrato 6 area (the highest socioeconomic level) but boasts an impressive array of amenities.

For example, in Laureles (estrato 5) you can find rooms for as low as COP $450,000/$114 (USD).

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I do not get why you put these estrato 6 women up on a pedestal. That says more about you guys than me I guess. The girl who wore tight orange short shorts that freaked out a manager at the high end hotel lived in estrato 6 housing, and she was just as much a hooker as the women working in La Isla or centro.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3002367]It is crazy to think that girls would not like gifts. Who doesn't like gifts? If it is not something she likes, she can always give it to a friend who would appreciate it. I don't know about other guys but I give gifts without expecting anything in return. It is a gift, a gesture of appreciation to the girl usually for past performances. The price of the gifts are insignificant to me and to most guys. Most girls are appreciative of the gifts. You can give gifts if you want and you can not give gifts if you want. But no reason to criticize guys who give gifts to girls. Is it the same as giving a gift to the casher at McDonalds's? Only if the girl from McDonald's is engaging in intimate acts with me.

Now some guys say, these girls are all working girls and you should treat them like the working girls that they are. That isn't my attitude when I meet a girl in Medellin. Not all girls are the same as the streetwalkers you see in El Centro.[/QUOTE]I used to take small gifts. Lingerie earbud perfumes small things. I no longer do, because I have concluded it makes no difference. Most dudes doing it do it out of a desire to feel good about helping someone. It doesn't work that way with these women.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;3002648]I used to take small gifts. Lingerie earbud perfumes small things. I no longer do, because I have concluded it makes no difference. Most dudes doing it do it out of a desire to feel good about helping someone. It doesn't work that way with these women.[/QUOTE]It does not work that way with any women. I have had women complain that I do not do this, that, or the other. My response is, "Yet you continue to come around. " If a woman likes or loves you, then she likes or loves you for you. It ain't the gifts. Gifts and money can't buy you love; it can only rent you some pussy. If I am renting pussy, then I find it easier to carry cash than microwave ovens, coffee makers, and women's panties.

There was a nurse I was messing with in Barranquilla and she was always asking me to bring shit. I finally stopped talking to her. She kept asking when I was coming. One day I told her that I left yesterday. She asked why I did not say anything. I said because I am tired of you asking for shit. She said she is sorry and would not ask anymore. She would just appreciate that I spend time with her. I still keep ignoring her messages though.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3002501]The Girl next door type whom I met in Medellin off Seeking was for me a really good first date. It was fun: good food, conversation, and sex. For her, she told me later it was the best night of her life. What I thought of as a good first date was really special to this one Colombian woman, and I think in hindsight she was not the only one who would say that. It is not that I am that great. It is just that the expectations of Colombian women on dates is usually pretty low.

I really do have to remember this. Coming from the USA it's completely opposite. I have met some girls here who really demonstrate what you are saying. But have not met any yet that haven't asked for money, except for the 35 year old, who also hasn't even kissed me.[/QUOTE]The average Colombian woman does not go out on a date often. And when she does then she is fine just going for coffee. If you are really rolling out the red carpet and are a good conversationalist, then it easily could be the best night of her life.

I met a girl in Bogota at her apartment a couple of weeks ago and we went for coffee (well juice for me). I had stood her up the day before (because I was with another chick) and she was hot about that. Before the meeting she was saying how guys just want sex and she did not want that. When we finished drinking I walked to Exito with her because she had to buy a baby shower gift. While I waited for my Indrive, that chick was cuddling and kissing on me like there was no tomorrow.

My first year in college me and a buddy went to a club. We were out front in the parking lot. He met a chick and got her number and kissed her in the mouth. I said damn. He told me that women know if they are going to fuck you as soon as they meet you. If they won't kiss you then they damn sure do not plan on fucking you. That has been my gauge for the past 35 years.

The taxi driver from the airport was telling me about this club, Cabaret, in Itagui. I did a quick search and there was one mention in January that it might be a clip joint, but it didn't seem like the writer had been. Anybody have any first hand experience?

The driver said it was cheaper and better than La Isla, but he also might be getting paid to promote it.

Good to see you back here spitting facts. I'm sticking with my policy of minding my own business and avoiding people who struggle to do the same. I play along with random Colombians because their version of talking about the weather the way gringos do is to ask for your family history, marital status, and profession. It used to put me off until I realized that it's just an innocent cultural trait. When a gringo does that it's a sign something could be off. Years ago a friend from the US invited me to brunch at Sweet Georgia Brown, the American themed greasy spoon style restaurant. It's not the sort of food I like. I went to keep my friend company. While we were sitting at a table waiting for service, a random gringo walked over to us an introduced himself. Immediately after introductions he started questioning us about our pretty much everything then offered a business card in case we "need help with anything. " I played along until he asked for my telephone number. At that point I said I would contact him at the number he gave me. I'm ok being judged as paranoid.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3002603]Users of this site are strongly advised to exercise extreme caution when arranging in-person meetings with individuals they do not know personally or who were not part of their travel group to Medelland, could be an alphabet boy! . Given the sophistication of contemporary facial recognition technology, even seemingly innocuous encounters could result in the capture and comparison of an individual's image against their passport photograph, trust me, you do not want to experience that! Engaging in argumentative discussions with users whose topics deviate from the platform's intended focus on female companionship is discouraged, as such interactions may serve as distractions. This platform is designed for the exchange of information pertaining to locating and meeting women; detailed personal information or specific locations are unnecessary. Any user whose contributions consistently fall outside this scope should be regarded with caution, as their intentions may not align with the site's stated purpose, and open the door for meeting the unnecessary, alphabet boy! Board members stay safe and be smart![/QUOTE]

For those of you who aren't broke and actually have some girls that like you VS is having a sale right now. If you buy 10 online you can have them shipped to you for a total of $58 in the US. I just put an order in. Go ahead and have some fun, make the girls happy and get a bunch of sexy pics and videos with them modelling their new VS. Shopping for them is also fun too. Get them now before the idiotic tariffs kick in because they are made in Vietnam. I had 3 of them show up with panties I had given them on my latest trip and they said they loved them and thanked me again.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;3002823]For those of you who aren't broke and actually have some girls that like you VS is having a sale right now. If you buy 10 online you can have them shipped to you for a total of $58 in the US. I just put an order in. Go ahead and have some fun, make the girls happy and get a bunch of sexy pics and videos with them modelling their new VS. Shopping for them is also fun too. Get them now before the idiotic tariffs kick in because they are made in Vietnam. I had 3 of them show up with panties I had given them on my latest trip and they said they loved them and thanked me again.[/QUOTE]Do you have a link for this promo? I did a Google search without success. Usually I buy cheap sexy outfits off Ebay and they take a couple months to arrive from China which isn't a problem. But I'd like to see what VS has to offer at less than six bucks each. I like the chicas to dress up for me in the lingerie. The only problem is it's hard to get them away from the mirror taking fotos. My experience is that they love the regalitos and it improves the mood and the session.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;3002887]Do you have a link for this promo? I did a Google search without success. Usually I buy cheap sexy outfits off Ebay and they take a couple months to arrive from China which isn't a problem. But I'd like to see what VS has to offer at less than six bucks each. I like the chicas to dress up for me in the lingerie. The only problem is it's hard to get them away from the mirror taking fotos. My experience is that they love the regalitos and it improves the mood and the session.[/QUOTE]Yes the VS is always a big hit. Just go to the official VS site. It was right there for me but it is a mother's day special so hurry.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;3002887]Do you have a link for this promo? I did a Google search without success.[/QUOTE]I didn't find any priced at 10 for $58 with shipping, but they have some 5 for $30 with an additional one free. They also have some on sale starting at $2.99. Look under the Sale tab on their web site. There's a limited selection in the Sale section, but you may find something you want to buy. Also, create an account and if you plan on buying one or two times a year, apply for their credit card. Then they will send you special offers. Right now, I have a coupon for $20 off a $50 purchase. You have to have their credit card to get the good offers. There is no charge for the credit card.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3002818]Good to see you back here spitting facts. I'm sticking with my policy of minding my own business and avoiding people who struggle to do the same. I play along with random Colombians because their version of talking about the weather the way gringos do is to ask for your family history, marital status, and profession. It used to put me off until I realized that it's just an innocent cultural trait. When a gringo does that it's a sign something could be off. Years ago a friend from the US invited me to brunch at Sweet Georgia Brown, the American themed greasy spoon style restaurant. It's not the sort of food I like. I went to keep my friend company. While we were sitting at a table waiting for service, a random gringo walked over to us an introduced himself. Immediately after introductions he started questioning us about our pretty much everything then offered a business card in case we "need help with anything. " I played along until he asked for my telephone number. At that point I said I would contact him at the number he gave me. I'm ok being judged as paranoid.[/QUOTE]It is prudent to recognize patterns of interaction. Given the demographic composition of this country, the frequency with which English-speaking individuals initiate contact may warrant careful consideration. My personal preference in Spanish-speaking regions is to engage primarily with local language speakers. I will continue to provide the board with pertinent information based on my observations and experiences, acknowledging that some insights are gained through direct experience.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3002818]Immediately after introductions he started questioning us about our pretty much everything then offered a business card in case we "need help with anything. " I played along until he asked for my telephone number. At that point I said I would contact him at the number he gave me. I'm ok being judged as paranoid.[/QUOTE]Yep. Because people are just spending their time going around to help random strangers. If a stranger comes up to talk to you in a place where you are not known then the only thing they could want is money. I usually just ignore them.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3002901]I didn't find any priced at 10 for $58 with shipping, but they have some 5 for $30 with an additional one free. They also have some on sale starting at $2.99. Look under the Sale tab on their web site. There's a limited selection in the Sale section, but you may find something you want to buy. Also, create an account and if you plan on buying one or two times a year, apply for their credit card. Then they will send you special offers. Right now, I have a coupon for $20 off a $50 purchase. You have to have their credit card to get the good offers. There is no charge for the credit card.[/QUOTE]I didn't take the card because I have too many already and need a lot more than that to take one. For me, at least, if I spent $50 they gave the free shipping. It was like $54 for 10 panties and $4 tax with free shipping. I do have an account with them. They have this sale around 4 times a year. Have fun with your girls and their new VS panties!

Lets stop the talk about men shopping for women's panties. This is not a male job, to go shopping for girlie attire.

There has to be something better to talk about, like getting the women to take off their panties!

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;3002887]Do you have a link for this promo? I did a Google search without success. Usually I buy cheap sexy outfits off Ebay and they take a couple months to arrive from China which isn't a problem. But I'd like to see what VS has to offer at less than six bucks each. I like the chicas to dress up for me in the lingerie. The only problem is it's hard to get them away from the mirror taking fotos. My experience is that they love the regalitos and it improves the mood and the session.[/QUOTE]I have bought V. S. Panties to take to Medellin. I am probably not going to tell you anything anyone else has told you. I do not have the credit card but I do have an login account on VS and so I still ger some of the sales info sent to me. I do not have the credit card but I do not doubt that iof a person has a credit card that they get a better discount. Its true for me at the department stores where I do have a credit card.

What I would do is I would send a photo of the panites to chicas on FB that I wanted to set up a cita with and used to tell the chicas they were propina for incentive for the chica showing up on time. Seemed to work half of the time but for sure I never got stood up anyway. And many of these chicas would be pretty excited to take pictures of these VS panties and either send them to their amigas or post them on Insta.

There are seems always panties on sale when I look on VS website and sometimes the sales are better than others. As said by others you can go to the site and and on the bottom of the top banner there is a menu of links that runs acroos and at the far right is SALE. Hover your mouse pointer over where it says SALE and a dropdown menu appears and PANTIES is in that list. Click on PANTIES and then toward the upper far right just above the pictures of the merchandise it says SORT BY. Click on that and from the drop down meny choose PRICE LOW TO HIGH. Then decide how much you are wiling to pay. I stop at 4. 99 , there are plenty of choices at that price point. A word of warning though. If you click on an item and you see there are a variety of colors and patterns available for that pair of panties NOT ALL THE COLORS AND PATTERNS ARE THE SAME PRICE. So be careful. Also consider your margin after shipping if you do not spend the 50 bucks to get free shipping.

[QUOTE]There has to be something better to talk about, like getting the women to take off their panties![/QUOTE]This is my 8th time here I believe. Most of the time the women I find here to take off their panties come from FB. I have seen a couple new ones and a couple regulars so far. The new ones are starting off asking for more than in the past, usually it's been 350 k. Every one so far, except for one, has accepted 250 k mas taxi. The one wanted 400 k mas taxi. She did look cute in her pictures but there are too many who will come for less. And sometimes I find the ones that want more, may not provide as good a service.

I was in Parque Lleras this weekend around midnight. There were tons of chicas. The starting rate there seems to be 400 k. In my limited experience for the one night, the really good looking ones were holding firm at 400 k, thinking they would get someone to pay that. Maybe they will. The rest were willing to come down to 300 k. As it has been stated here many times, the later it gets in the evening, the more willing they are to negotiate.

I visited New Life and Sexy Amigas over the past few days. I don't think the prices have changed but I'll post them anyhow. At New Life I sessioned with Ximena, a petite Paisa. 125 k for the hour plus 50 k propina for BBBJ. It was a good session. I would see her again. The BBBJ was really good.

At Sexy Amigas I sessioned with Giselle, also a Paisa, who was wonderful. She was a little bit older, she said 24 but I would guess closer to 28. A MILF for sure, but her technique and attitude were fantastic. Excellent BBBJ, again for 50 k propina. Only 45 minutes with her and I believe it was 100 k (but I also paid for a couple drinks so I'm not exactly sure). I would absolutely see her again, and I just might before I leave.

A couple of firsts on this trip. I flew in to Bogota and was through immigration in 20 minutes. I did get lucky because it backed up behind me a bit. But I don't think I've ever gotten through the Medellin line in less than an hour, and usually it's more.

Also, I ate sushi in a burrito just to say that I did. Judge me if you want. It was better than I expected.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;3003049]Lets stop the talk about men shopping for women's panties. This is not a male job, to go shopping for girlie attire.

There has to be something better to talk about, like getting the women to take off their panties![/QUOTE]I don't know about you but for me its easy to get the panties to come off. It happens pretty quickly. That is the least of my concerns when in MDE.

[QUOTE=Haxagonus;3001451]I'm back for 6 months again. Haven't been here in a year.

Finished with la Isla. 50 k cover A step or two up from lleras in quality. You will find all kinds of bodies here. But mostly plastic. Lucky for me, I love plastic. Saw a few faces I know. Went with the girl I always do. Big boobs big ass. The butlers were less houndy about buying a drink maybe because there were a bunch of tables that were empty. My standards are very high so there was like 5-6 girls I would do. If these weren't there I wouldn't go to la Isla.[/QUOTE]I've been 3 days in row to la isla, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. The first 2 days were actually quite amazing. Just like you I have very high standards and just like you I love plastic. I swear, Thursday and Friday there were so many hotties I'd do, I honestly lost count, there must have been over 15. Which even kinda gave me FOMO haha, after shooting my load I'm done for the night so I was worried I might choose the wrong girl. But both Thursday and Friday I had mind blowing sex with 2 really sexy chica's. Saturday was different though, the club was dead until about 1 AM when it started filling a bit up but nowhere as many girls as on the previous 2 days. And I had trouble finding even 3 girls I'd do, what a change from the previous 2 days. Honestly at one point I was considering to just go home, La Isla can get boring when you're on your own and frustrating when you just can't find that sexy one. So out of the 3 hot girls I saw, the first too were mostly staring at their phones and seemed bored. The first one I didn't even bother talking to, I really didn't like her attitude. The second one I sat down with but she responded really reserved and I felt that this was not going to be any good. But then around 1 AM, just when I was about to go home, I found the 3rd one, a younger girl with enhanced boobs and ass that gave me a hot lapdance and nice vibe. And inside the room she actually turned into a real porn star, with her fucking slutty eyes maintaining eye contact when she sucked me off while she was masturbating her clit with a vibrator, moaning like she real mean it.

So hit the jackpot 3 times in a row, mind blowing sex with super hot girls. Although Saturday was a lot tougher.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;3003082]I have bought V. S. Panties to take to Medellin. I am probably not going to tell you anything anyone else has told you. I do not have the credit card but I do have an login account on VS and so I still ger some of the sales info sent to me. I do not have the credit card but I do not doubt that iof a person has a credit card that they get a better discount. Its true for me at the department stores where I do have a credit card.

What I would do is I would send a photo of the panites to chicas on FB that I wanted to set up a cita with and used to tell the chicas they were propina for incentive for the chica showing up on time. Seemed to work half of the time but for sure I never got stood up anyway. And many of these chicas would be pretty excited to take pictures of these VS panties and either send them to their amigas or post them on Insta.

There are seems always panties on sale when I look on VS website and sometimes the sales are better than others. As said by others you can go to the site and and on the bottom of the top banner there is a menu of links that runs acroos and at the far right is SALE..[/QUOTE]I got an account at Victoria's Secret to balance my credit profile many years ago. I have had SB's who like get something while we were shopping in the mall. The college girls that get on Seeking love it!

Great info Medclubber!

Honestly, I don't prefer plastic / enhanced girls at all, and with the supposedly high prices of La Isla, I've just never found a reason to go. It does sound like it could be a good time though, maybe just to check that box off my to-do list.

What was the cover charge and did they require you to buy a drink / bottle? What was the minimum in "consumo", if there was one?

[QUOTE=Medclubber;3003119]I've been 3 days in row to la isla, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. The first 2 days were actually quite amazing. Just like you I have very high standards and just like you I love plastic. I swear, Thursday and Friday there were so many hotties I'd do, I honestly lost count, there must have been over 15. Which even kinda gave me FOMO haha, after shooting my load I'm done for the night so I was worried I might choose the wrong girl. But both Thursday and Friday I had mind blowing sex with 2 really sexy chica's. Saturday was different though, the club was dead until about 1 AM when it started filling a bit up but nowhere as many girls as on the previous 2 days. And I had trouble finding even 3 girls I'd do.[/QUOTE]

I went to la Isla 2 months ago, I'm not into enhancements and like skinny / smaller girls. I didn't match with the club that much, found one chick I was really into but she wanted 600 k for an hour. Before she quoted another guy 1 mil (guess she didn't like him). I'm Cali I was getting these quality chicks for 150 k.

Add in the drinks and entry to the club and you might as well stay home.

Going on 5+ days of panties talk. Remember when this board used to be interesting?

Colombia was fun. Definitely could see myself going back. Met a girl with a legit Visa who is coming to visit next month. No problems with safety, but met plenty of people who said they had been drugged or know others who had. The one thing they seemed to have in common was hard core drinking and drugs. Also, they liked trashy women. I think there is something to the advice of avoiding overly tattooed trashy looking women to stay safe. I didn't realize how cheap everything actually is in Colombia until I looked at my credit card receipts back home. Ubers are ridiculously cheap. And a nice meal at a high end restaurant for two, with drinks, was only like $36 to $40 usd. At the time I thought I was spending at least $50 or $60 usd. Weird when you actually are spending less than you even expect. Conversion rates seemed to favor USD at this time. My only regret is there are a couple of women I could have met up with and just didn't coordinate well enough and looking back at some of the photos they sent I've got some remorse.

Probably will be back at some point. I just hope the conversations on this board have evolved by that time. Like 5 to 6 days straight of panties talk? At least move that discussion to Stupid Shit in Medellin at this point, or the Chit Chat forum.

Oh, and maybe gringo tax, but any massage place discussed on this forum was at least 2 x quoted price for me when I showed up in person. I did not partake.

[QUOTE=Dvil00;3003457]I went to la Isla 2 months ago, I'm not into enhancements and like skinny / smaller girls. I didn't match with the club that much, found one chick I was really into but she wanted 600 k for an hour. Before she quoted another guy 1 mil (guess she didn't like him). I'm Cali I was getting these quality chicks for 150 k.

Add in the drinks and entry to the club and you might as well stay home.[/QUOTE]I'm with you. Not a plastic fan. Like natural bodies few tattoos and athletic or slim. The breast implants in Colombia with the complete round coconut / ballon looking, fake ass, fake lips, I can't get into it. But it's all good, I fully understand a large / decent percentage of men love this look. It's actually great that not all men are into the same type of women. That would be way worse.

Haven Hotel was pretty great. The rooftop bar and pool is kinda small, but they have parties every Friday and Saturday night with DJ, and pool party on Sundays, and it attracts a lot of native Colombian women. It also attracts alot of foreigners not even staying there, but who come specifically for the vibe. It's a great place to meet a lot of cool people and build connections. But as others have mentioned, stay true to your safe space. Don't venture out with others until you actually know / trust them. It's better to stay safe in your bubble then to venture out care free with people you have just met.

Fortunately, by staying close to my comfort zone, not dropping my guard, I never felt unsafe one time. Again, I've said it before, but I also have a good deal of street smarts, and if you don't have that naturally, you're going to need to be cautious, bc for naive people you can easily be taken advantage of.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3002603]Users of this site are strongly advised to exercise extreme caution when arranging in-person meetings with individuals they do not know personally or who were not part of their travel group to Medelland, could be an alphabet boy! . Given the sophistication of contemporary facial recognition technology, even seemingly innocuous encounters could result in the capture and comparison of an individual's image against their passport photograph, trust me, you do not want to experience that! Engaging in argumentative discussions with users whose topics deviate from the platform's intended focus on female companionship is discouraged, as such interactions may serve as distractions. This platform is designed for the exchange of information pertaining to locating and meeting women; detailed personal information or specific locations are unnecessary. Any user whose contributions consistently fall outside this scope should be regarded with caution, as their intentions may not align with the site's stated purpose, and open the door for meeting the unnecessary, alphabet boy! Board members stay safe and be smart![/QUOTE]Trying to play this thought process out to its logical conclusion. But first, I'm assuming by Alphabet Boy you are talking CIA, FBI, etc? What business does the CIA, FBI, etc. , have talking to Mongers in Medellin. Not that I believe they are interested in the first place, but lets say they are. Why would we be concerned? If you don't think they don't already have us monitored through online / messageing / facial-recognization everywhere. Well they do.

I just don't get what fear you are trying to promote? What is the Alphabet Boy doing in Medellin talking to mongers and why should we be scared?

With this said, I do recommend extreme caution in Medellin for those you don't know, as you stated. But I'm truly struggling to jump to your far our fear mongering that the Alphabet Boys are here in Medellin to target Mongers? Like wtf. And apologies in advance if you can actually give a cognizant explanation to my potential short sided response, but I don't think this will happen.

Perhaps we use the world Alphabet Boy differently. That would explain it.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;3003285]Great info Medclubber!

Honestly, I don't prefer plastic / enhanced girls at all, and with the supposedly high prices of La Isla, I've just never found a reason to go. It does sound like it could be a good time though, maybe just to check that box off my to-do list.

What was the cover charge and did they require you to buy a drink / bottle? What was the minimum in "consumo", if there was one?[/QUOTE]The cover at la Isla is 50 k, girls are 600 k and a beer 40 k. There was a time, about a year ago I think when they wanted you to buy a whole table and they wouldn't even let you sit down when you were alone, sipping your beer. Luckily they changed that policy, although when you sit down at an empty table they might ask you to leave of course when they need the table for a group paying for it.

I'm sure La Isla is not for everybody, it has some downsides, mostly that it's expensive (cover, drinks, tipping the girls for lap dances and of course the 600 k room, it quickly adds up) and if you like natural, this might not be the perfect spot, since there are a lot of enhanced bodies here (which I happen to love) But the great thing here is that you can get a pretty good idea of the girl's 'energy' before taking her to the room because it's of course a strip club and they give lap dances (not all of them do though). For example I think it was last Thursday when I had my eyes set on a really hot one but when she 'danced' for me, she mostly even just stood in front of me, instead of riding me, no way that that's going to be any good in bed. Or when a chica is riding you but just seems robotic, or not even looking at your eyes, anyway, you know. I think that's why I almost always have had good service there, cause it's pretty easy to weed out the bad ones.

And if you go Thursday / Friday, you're pretty sure that you'll find a hot one (again, IF you're into plastic, natural might be a bit harder).

Don't go before 10 PM, the club is dead. Best to arrive between 11 PM and 12 PM, best on Thursday's and Friday's, highest amount of hot chica's.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3003520]Trying to play this thought process out to its logical conclusion. But first, I'm assuming by Alphabet Boy you are talking CIA, FBI, etc? What business does the CIA, FBI, etc. , have talking to Mongers in Medellin. Not that I believe they are interested in the first place, but lets say they are. Why would we be concerned? If you don't think they don't already have us monitored through online / messageing / facial-recognization everywhere. Well they do.

I just don't get what fear you are trying to promote? What is the Alphabet Boy doing in Medellin talking to mongers and why should we be scared?

With this said, I do recommend extreme caution in Medellin for those you don't know, as you stated. But I'm truly struggling to jump to your far our fear mongering that the Alphabet Boys are here in Medellin to target Mongers? Like wtf. And apologies in advance if you can actually give a cognizant explanation to my potential short sided response, but I don't think this will happen.

Perhaps we use the world Alphabet Boy differently. That would explain it.[/QUOTE]Your observation of alphabet boys is correct and may I add, The legal ramifications of certain activities are contingent upon their documentation and presentation in a court of law. Upon re-entry into the United States, electronic devices may be subject to inspection. While the extent of law enforcement presence in Medellin is a matter of perspective, it is advisable to exercise caution and maintain vigilance regarding one's interactions, given the potential for both international and domestic oversight. Observations in Medellin suggest interactions with individuals who may also have connections to other sectors, such as airlines and local businesses, warrant a degree of circumspection. I would not post about anything that I have not witnessed or experienced, but you and others do not have to pay my cautionary tales any mind, to those who do, stay safe!

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3003609]Your observation of alphabet boys is correct and may I add, The legal ramifications of certain activities are contingent upon their documentation and presentation in a court of law. Upon re-entry into the United States, electronic devices may be subject to inspection. While the extent of law enforcement presence in Medellin is a matter of perspective, it is advisable to exercise caution and maintain vigilance regarding one's interactions, given the potential for both international and domestic oversight. Observations in Medellin suggest interactions with individuals who may also have connections to other sectors, such as airlines and local businesses, warrant a degree of circumspection. I would not post about anything that I have not witnessed or experienced, but you and others do not have to pay my cautionary tales any mind, to those who do, stay safe![/QUOTE]Honestly, thank you, I appreciate your care and consideration. However, I am still not quite following. Prostitution is legal in Medellin. What are we to be so afraid of? Why should I be afraid of someone looking at my phone? Not that this has every happened to me or anyone I know (though I believe you it could), but still, why would I be concerned? I'm not doing anything illegal.

[QUOTE=MikeBayArea;3003845]Honestly, thank you, I appreciate your care and consideration. However, I am still not quite following. Prostitution is legal in Medellin. What are we to be so afraid of? Why should I be afraid of someone looking at my phone? Not that this has every happened to me or anyone I know (though I believe you it could), but still, why would I be concerned? I'm not doing anything illegal.[/QUOTE]If you are a US citizen or permanent resident and you travel outside the country to have sex, you could get in trouble with the law. This is against federal law, specifically 18 USA Code 2423 and the PROTECT Act. 18 USA Code 2423 says that it is illegal to take minors across state lines or to another country for sex or any other sexual activity that is against the law. The PROTECT Act makes it easier for the US government to punish people who commit crimes related to sex tourism. This could mean going to jail for up to 30 years for doing something wrong in another country.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3003937]If you are a US citizen or permanent resident and you travel outside the country to have sex, you could get in trouble with the law. This is against federal law, specifically 18 USA Code 2423 and the PROTECT Act. 18 USA Code 2423 says that it is illegal to take minors across state lines or to another country for sex or any other sexual activity that is against the law. The PROTECT Act makes it easier for the US government to punish people who commit crimes related to sex tourism. This could mean going to jail for up to 30 years for doing something wrong in another country.[/QUOTE]Words mean something. As Mike said if he is not doing anything illegal. Then you post a law about minors. That has nothing to do with adults.

What are the hours for El Centro and\or Parque Lleras?

I've picked up as late as 2 am at Parque Lleras easily, and I've heard that it's open for business as late as 4 am, what time does it "open"? If I wanted something early morning or a lunch snack, how easy would it be?

El Centro becomes dangerous after 10 pm for Gringos and I'd recommend leaving earlier, but how early would strolling be possible? Morning stroll? Lunch Stroll?

I've seen girls in Lleras as early as 10 AM on a Sunday. Super cute girl in a schoolgirl type outfit. At first I wasn't sure she was selling, but then she gave me the "hand wave" gesture, where they basically are waving at you to come over and talk to them and after a little chat, I realized oh yes, she was available. Sadly, I decided to see what else was available and when I went back, not there anymore.

In terms of "best hours", the spot I sit in front of Lleras Town, you start to see the cars arriving with more and more girls basically after sundown. So like 6 PM and later, with the busiest time being between 10 PM and probably 2 AM when some of the bars and clubs start shutting down. Even still at 3 AM there were a LOT of chicas out and about, so as with all things. It depends.

For el centro / Plaza Botero, there are girls out at 9 AM on a Monday, no worries. Catching people on their way to work. Not a huge selection, but not bad either. I like it for a 2-5 PM stint because I can roll over, sit at a table in the shaded areas, drink a cold beer and scope the selection, maybe make a lap or two around the block behind the church, see what's available. Usually there's something to choose from, but not always. This past trip quality and quantity were down on previous visits. The latest I've been out in Botero is 10 PM and truly, there was nothing much going on at that time. Even the little strip clubs down the street from Hotel Nutibara were the-e-the DEAD. So yeah, maybe stay in Botero no later than 7-8 PM is a good move. By that point Lleras will be starting to get lively and I'd head over there.

Best of luck and ENJOY!

[QUOTE=ABomb28;3003961]What are the hours for El Centro and\or Parque Lleras?

I've picked up as late as 2 am at Parque Lleras easily, and I've heard that it's open for business as late as 4 am, what time does it "open"? If I wanted something early morning or a lunch snack, how easy would it be?

El Centro becomes dangerous after 10 pm for Gringos and I'd recommend leaving earlier, but how early would strolling be possible? Morning stroll? Lunch Stroll?[/QUOTE]

Does Hotel Nakua no longer allow girls? I just booked accommodation for an upcoming trip and received the following message from them.

Nakúa Stay + Work, is fully committed to responsible tourism in Medellíand, so in our facilities NO VISITORS OR COMPANIONS OTHER THAN THOSE REGISTERED DURING CHECK IN ARE ALLOWED. We appreciate your understanding and apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

ALL GUESTS MUST REGISTER AT THE TIME OF CHECK IN.

I will have to cancel and look for another place if that is the case, which is a bummer! The room that I booked has an awesome private hot tub on the balcony.

[QUOTE=ABomb28;3003961]What are the hours for El Centro and\or Parque Lleras?

I've picked up as late as 2 am at Parque Lleras easily, and I've heard that it's open for business as late as 4 am, what time does it "open"? If I wanted something early morning or a lunch snack, how easy would it be?

El Centro becomes dangerous after 10 pm for Gringos and I'd recommend leaving earlier, but how early would strolling be possible? Morning stroll? Lunch Stroll?[/QUOTE]I used to go as early as 10 am to Centro. It gets better by noon with more girls arriving each hour and peaks around 4 pm - 6 pm and by 8 pm it's mostly ugly old hags and druggies and all the shops and restaurants mostly close up by then too.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=FranciscoD;3004062]Does Hotel Nakua no longer allow girls? I just booked accommodation for an upcoming trip and received the following message from them.

Naka Stay + Work, is fully committed to responsible tourism in Medelland, so in our facilities NO VISITORS OR COMPANIONS OTHER THAN THOSE REGISTERED DURING CHECK IN ARE ALLOWED. We appreciate your understanding and apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

ALL GUESTS MUST REGISTER AT THE TIME OF CHECK IN.

I will have to cancel and look for another place if that is the case, which is a bummer! The room that I booked has an awesome private hot tub on the balcony.[/QUOTE]You answered you own question with the message from the hotel, so cancel your reservation. According to sources on the Internet, local politicians are trying to change the type of individuals who frequent the area and the authorities are putting pressure on places that provide lodging to stop having "guest friendly" arrangements. Apparently Naka Stay + Work complied with the demand. This phenomenon happens many places. Good luck finding other "guest friendly" lodging in the area.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3003937]If you are a US citizen or permanent resident and you travel outside the country to have sex, you could get in trouble with the law. This is against federal law, specifically 18 USA Code 2423 and the PROTECT Act. 18 USA Code 2423 says that it is illegal to take minors across state lines or to another country for sex or any other sexual activity that is against the law. The PROTECT Act makes it easier for the US government to punish people who commit crimes related to sex tourism. This could mean going to jail for up to 30 years for doing something wrong in another country.[/QUOTE]Everyone should know to stay away from minors for sex purposes, in the US or abroad, and in my opinion those who exploit minors deserve the punishment they get when they are caught. Truth be told, some foreign countries would punish people exploiting minors in their countries far more than the US, so those folks should be worried about spending 20 years in a foreign prison (if they survive that long) before then being prosecuted for 30 years in an American prison. Just imagine for a moment spending 20 years in a Dominica, Thai, or Colombian prison. Additionally, no one should have sex with an unwilling partner or force a person to have sex. Those are more common sense principles; I don't need laws to forbid that, my conscious would not allow it.

Prior to the laws you quoted, the US had the Mann Act of 1910 that forbid crossing state lines with minors for immoral purposes. Again, don't pick minors, pretty simple.

To date, no US citizen has been prosecuted in the US for mongering abroad with willing adult chicas of legal age. No one.

[QUOTE=WanderingMan;3004439]Prior to the laws you quoted, the US had the Mann Act of 1910 that forbid crossing state lines with minors for immoral purposes. Again, don't pick minors, pretty simple.[/QUOTE]The Mann Act was with women who are not your wife, not minors. That is the reason are. Kelly is in jail. That is why you have to be careful flying hookers around or getting on airplanes with them, because it violates that law and is considered human trafficking.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3003951]Words mean something. As Mike said if he is not doing anything illegal. Then you post a law about minors. That has nothing to do with adults.[/QUOTE]Right. But to answer the question as to why the authorities may be looking at your stuff going back to the US it would be to look for whatever violations they imagine you might have made. Just for fun they also look at foreigners phones, computers, etc. Coming in to the US legally, looking for who knows what.

[QUOTE=WanderingMan;3004436]You answered you own question with the message from the hotel, so cancel your reservation. According to sources on the Internet, local politicians are trying to change the type of individuals who frequent the area and the authorities are putting pressure on places that provide lodging to stop having "guest friendly" arrangements. Apparently Naka Stay + Work complied with the demand. This phenomenon happens many places. Good luck finding other "guest friendly" lodging in the area.[/QUOTE]Haha yeah I can obviously read. I just wasn't sure if that was some of sort generic disclaimer that everyone gets. This place has been recommended by a couple of people on the forum so I wanted to check in to see if this is a new policy, or if I can safely ignore it. I guess I will restart the search for a place then.

I emailed / sent WhatsApp messages to many hotels in the Provenza / Parque Lleras area mid-February to get clear answers as to what their guest policy was.

At that time, Nakua responded that they allowed guests, but charged $200 k COP per person per visit. Even if you booked your room for 2 people, the 1st one was not "free" like it is at Hotel Dix and other locations. $200 k is a lot for an extra guest, so I immediately guessed they were trying to clamp down on "visitas femininas".

I just WhatsApp messaged them again and this is what they responded:

First I asked if visitors were permitted, they said this: si se permiten visitas sin embargo estas no pueden tardar mas de 15 minutos de lo contrario deberas hacer pago de un páx adicional el cual tiene costo de 200.000 cop. Basically any visitor is allowed for up to 15 minutes, if they stay longer than that, you must pay $200 k Colombian Pesos.

Then this:

Las personas que tarden más de 15 minutos ya se tomará como acompañante why no visita, por lo tanto debe de pagar un pax adicional e identificar a la persona que ingresa con pasaporte en caso de extranjeros why cedula de ciudadanía nacionales. If they stay longer than 15 minutes, they must be registered as a guest, essentially, and must provide passport info, if foreigners, or license for those Colombians or Venezolanas (I'm guessing because they didn't specifically say *only* Colombian IDs).

Finally, I asked if visitors are allowed to stay the night, they said, yes, of course, but have to registered as guests and you have to pay the $200 k. Por supuesto! Recuerde que la persona que usted registre es la única persona que puede ingresar a pasar la noche con usted.

That's the latest for Nakua as of this morning.

Personally, I'd go with Hotel Dix or Hotel Torre Poblado, you get a freebie each day, as long as you reserved your room for 2 guests, and each additional is only $100 k COP $24 USD at today's exchange rate.

If you do stay there, let us know how it goes. I really did like the rooms and on my last visit in April, I stopped by to see how the hotel looks and they have added a really nice bar and restaurant on the main floor and moved the concierge desks to the right vs. Right in front. I also did really like the room.

[QUOTE=FranciscoD;3004487]Haha yeah I can obviously read. I just wasn't sure if that was some of sort generic disclaimer that everyone gets. This place has been recommended by a couple of people on the forum so I wanted to check in to see if this is a new policy, or if I can safely ignore it. I guess I will restart the search for a place then.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nomars777;3004638]200 k is a lot for an extra guest, so I immediately guessed they were trying to clamp down on "visitas femininas".[/QUOTE]If they were trying to clamp down then they would not allow it. By charging 200 K, they are just trying to make money off of it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3004459]The Mann Act was with women...[/QUOTE]They should have called it "The Woman Act" then.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;3004638]I emailed / sent WhatsApp messages to many hotels in the Provenza / Parque Lleras area mid-February to get clear answers as to what their guest policy was.

At that time, Nakua responded that they allowed guests, but charged $200 k COP per person per visit. Even if you booked your room for 2 people, the 1st one was not "free" like it is at Hotel Dix and other locations. $200 k is a lot for an extra guest, so I immediately guessed they were trying to clamp down on "visitas femininas".

I just WhatsApp messaged them again and this is what they responded:

First I asked if visitors were permitted, they said this: si se permiten visitas sin embargo estas no pueden tardar mas de 15 minutos de lo contrario deberas hacer pago de un px adicional el cual tiene costo de 200.000 cop. Basically any visitor is allowed for up to 15 minutes, if they stay longer than that, you must pay $200 k Colombian Pesos.

Then this:

Las personas que tarden ms de 15 minutos ya se tomar como acompaante why no visita, por lo tanto debe de pagar un pax adicional e identificar a la persona que ingresa con pasaporte en caso de extranjeros why cedula de ciudadana nacionales. If they stay longer than 15 minutes, they must be registered as a guest, essentially, and must provide passport info, if foreigners, or license for those Colombians or Venezolanas (I'm guessing because they didn't specifically say *only* Colombian IDs).

Finally, I asked if visitors are allowed to stay the night, they said, yes, of course, but have to registered as guests and you have to pay the $200 k. Por supuesto! Recuerde que la persona que usted registre es la nica persona que puede ingresar a pasar la noche con usted.

That's the latest for Nakua as of this morning.

Personally, I'd go with Hotel Dix or Hotel Torre Poblado, you get a freebie each day, as long as you reserved your room for 2 guests, and each additional is only $100 k COP $24 USD at today's exchange rate.

If you do stay there, let us know how it goes. I really did like the rooms and on my last visit in April, I stopped by to see how the hotel looks and they have added a really nice bar and restaurant on the main floor and moved the concierge desks to the right vs. Right in front. I also did really like the room.[/QUOTE]Haven Hotel allowed one guest per day free, any additional was $125 k cop. They were good about the policy.

[QUOTE=JohnHancock11;3003089]This is my 8th time here I believe. Most of the time the women I find here to take off their panties come from FB. I have seen a couple new ones and a couple regulars so far. The new ones are starting off asking for more than in the past, usually it's been 350 k. Every one so far, except for one, has accepted 250 k mas taxi. The one wanted 400 k mas taxi. She did look cute in her pictures but there are too many who will come for less. And sometimes I find the ones that want more, may not provide as good a service.

I was in Parque Lleras this weekend around midnight. There were tons of chicas. The starting rate there seems to be 400 k. In my limited experience for the one night, the really good looking ones were holding firm at 400 k, thinking they would get someone to pay that. Maybe they will. The rest were willing to come down to 300 k. As it has been stated here many times, the later it gets in the evening, the more willing they are to negotiate.

I visited New Life and Sexy Amigas over the past few days. I don't think the prices have changed but I'll post them anyhow. At New Life I sessioned with Ximena, a petite Paisa. 125 k for the hour plus 50 k propina for BBBJ. It was a good session. I would see her again. The BBBJ was really good.

At Sexy Amigas I sessioned with Giselle, also a Paisa, who was wonderful. She was a little bit older, she said 24 but I would guess closer to 28. A MILF for sure, but her technique and attitude were fantastic. Excellent BBBJ, again for 50 k propina. Only 45 minutes with her and I believe it was 100 k (but I also paid for a couple drinks so I'm not exactly sure). I would absolutely see her again, and I just might before I leave.

A couple of firsts on this trip. I flew in to Bogota and was through immigration in 20 minutes. I did get lucky because it backed up behind me a bit. But I don't think I've ever gotten through the Medellin line in less than an hour, and usually it's more.

Also, I ate sushi in a burrito just to say that I did. Judge me if you want. It was better than I expected.[/QUOTE]Great report. Is there a specific FB group page where you were hunting? Where did you stay? Colombia sounds much cheaper than my usual mongering grounds other than Thailand.

It pains me to write this review of the once great Zandaly. The news is not good. Before I get into the details, I want to remind everybody that all casas have in common. They all have up and down cycles, sometimes within a single day. So I popped into Zandaly for the first time in months last week. I had defaulted to other nearby Centro casas and I noticed that several of the girls had followed the same path. The support staff were the same familiar faces. The selection of providers was small and sub standard. The barmaid / manager knows me well enough that she didn't bother asking if I liked any of the girls from the line up. I had planned to hang out at the bar and shoot the shit with her as usual but the oversize provider seated next to me started vaping. I was all done at that moment. Probably the next time I go there will be when friends from out of town visit and want to check it out. It makes me a little sad because I've been going there for more than 15 years, including during the early days of the pandemic when they were one of the last to shut down.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;3004638]I emailed / sent WhatsApp messages to many hotels in the Provenza / Parque Lleras area mid-February to get clear answers as to what their guest policy was.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the detailed response! I did end up cancelling with them. I got an Airbnb that was guest friendly and had some good security. Not my first preference but I was feeling nervous about potential more clamp downs by the government since my trip is only planned for later this year.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3004826]It pains me to write this review of the once great Zandaly. The news is not good. I had defaulted to other nearby Centro casas and I noticed that several of the girls had followed the same path. [/QUOTE]I am lost. What path did the girls take and what is the problem with Zandalay? Are you saying it is over because there were no girls you liked that particular day?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3004826]It pains me to write this review of the once great Zandaly. The news is not good. Before I get into the details, I want to remind everybody that all casas have in common. They all have up and down cycles, sometimes within a single day. So I popped into Zandaly for the first time in months last week. I had defaulted to other nearby Centro casas and I noticed that several of the girls had followed the same path. The support staff were the same familiar faces. The selection of providers was small and sub standard. The barmaid / manager knows me well enough that she didn't bother asking if I liked any of the girls from the line up. I had planned to hang out at the bar and shoot the shit with her as usual but the oversize provider seated next to me started vaping. I was all done at that moment. Probably the next time I go there will be when friends from out of town visit and want to check it out. It makes me a little sad because I've been going there for more than 15 years, including during the early days of the pandemic when they were one of the last to shut down.[/QUOTE]I visited Zandalay when I was in Mde in April. The lineup was not great. Nevertheless, chose Hannah and had a good time. Basically, all casas have seen better days and I just tend to choose the best in the lineup who usually get the job done.

[QUOTE=JohnHancock11;3003089]At Sexy Amigas I sessioned with Giselle, also a Paisa, who was wonderful. She was a little bit older, she said 24 but I would guess closer to 28. A MILF for sure, but her technique and attitude were fantastic. Excellent BBBJ, again for 50 k propina. Only 45 minutes with her and I believe it was 100 k (but I also paid for a couple drinks so I'm not exactly sure). I would absolutely see her again, and I just might before I leave.[/QUOTE]Yeah she's always good for BBBJ. I've been frequented her over the past several years.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3003951]Words mean something. As Mike said if he is not doing anything illegal. Then you post a law about minors. That has nothing to do with adults.[/QUOTE]Nothing, except if your phone has a bunch of 19–25 year-old chica photos; it now up to the agent to decide the ages of those images and potential violation. Which means you could be held up and even be subject to potential prosecution until it can be clearly established the age of the women in the pictures, they are judging you on. Unless you have a cedula pic for every girl you get a picture of, this law could use be used to give customs authorities quite some leeway to hold and investigate. I wasn't suggesting anyone here would visit someone under 18. The discussion was about how could customs hold you up or delay you based on pictures in your phone. The law is the response. They could use it to start an investigation into images to try to decide if a crime has been committed.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3005238]Nothing, except if your phone has a bunch of 1925 year-old chica photos; it now up to the agent to decide the ages of those images and potential violation. Which means you could be held up and even be subject to potential prosecution until it can be clearly established the age of the women in the pictures, they are judging you on. Unless you have a cedula pic for every girl you get a picture of, this law could use be used to give customs authorities quite some leeway to hold and investigate. I wasn't suggesting anyone here would visit someone under 18. The discussion was about how could customs hold you up or delay you based on pictures in your phone. The law is the response. They could use it to start an investigation into images to try to decide if a crime has been committed.[/QUOTE]These are old monger tales. If if was a fifth then we would all be drunk. I know many guys here claim to be blind to this, but those agents can tell by the picture if the girls are 12 instead of 21. They are not spending time on a witchhunt if the girls could possibly be 17 years and 364 days old. Reminds of me a time when a monger in the Thailand threads posted a pic of a transvestite he had been with in Europe that he thought was a woman, and other posters also claimed it looked like a woman while to me looking like a striaght up dude that used to have a 380 batting average in the negro leagues. If a guy can't tell the difference between a 15 year old and an 18 year old, then maybe he does need to be investigated.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3005238]Nothing, except if your phone has a bunch of 1925 year-old chica photos; it now up to the agent to decide the ages of those images and potential violation. Which means you could be held up and even be subject to potential prosecution until it can be clearly established the age of the women in the pictures, they are judging you on. Unless you have a cedula pic for every girl you get a picture of, this law could use be used to give customs authorities quite some leeway to hold and investigate. I wasn't suggesting anyone here would visit someone under 18. The discussion was about how could customs hold you up or delay you based on pictures in your phone. The law is the response. They could use it to start an investigation into images to try to decide if a crime has been committed.[/QUOTE]Well, I have photos of my gal's daughter and her friends in my phone and they are all minors, so I guess it is just by the grace of God I am not in jail then.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3005238]Nothing, except if your phone has a bunch of 1925 year-old chica photos; it now up to the agent to decide the ages of those images and potential violation. Which means you could be held up and even be subject to potential prosecution until it can be clearly established the age of the women in the pictures, they are judging you on. Unless you have a cedula pic for every girl you get a picture of, this law could use be used to give customs authorities quite some leeway to hold and investigate. I wasn't suggesting anyone here would visit someone under 18. The discussion was about how could customs hold you up or delay you based on pictures in your phone. The law is the response. They could use it to start an investigation into images to try to decide if a crime has been committed.[/QUOTE]To avoid this issue, just delete all the chica pictures on your phone. I also delete all the chats prior to leaving for the airport. Your cellphone should be a blank slate when it comes to chicas. You can leave the sightseeing pictures on your cellphone to make them think that you are a regular tourist enjoying the sights.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;3004638]I emailed / sent WhatsApp messages to many hotels in the Provenza / Parque Lleras area mid-February to get clear answers as to what their guest policy was.

At that time, Nakua responded that they allowed guests, but charged $200 k COP per person per visit. Even if you booked your room for 2 people, the 1st one was not "free" like it is at Hotel Dix and other locations. $200 k is a lot for an extra guest, so I immediately guessed they were trying to clamp down on "visitas femininas".

I just WhatsApp messaged them again and this is what they responded:

First I asked if visitors were permitted, they said this: si se permiten visitas sin embargo estas no pueden tardar mas de 15 minutos de lo contrario deberas hacer pago de un px adicional el cual tiene costo de 200.000 cop. Basically any visitor is allowed for up to 15 minutes, if they stay longer than that, you must pay $200 k Colombian Pesos..[/QUOTE]For Hotel Dix is it only free for one guest per day? I've heard some that have taken without charge.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3005279]To avoid this issue, just delete all the chica pictures on your phone. I also delete all the chats prior to leaving for the airport. Your cellphone should be a blank slate when it comes to chicas. You can leave the sightseeing pictures on your cellphone to make them think that you are a regular tourist enjoying the sights.[/QUOTE]This is the right way indeed. I learnt it the hard way when once I was stopped for over 3 hours with never ending questioning and checking of digital media. And yeah, I didn't have anything bad but guys having nude pics videos can be in for serious shit. Better stay safe, it ain't fun when your time cometh.

It was rainy season but still a very good trip. Didn't check out the clubs, but had plenty of action at the casas. NL was quite busy with loud Americanos. They had the most girls, one or two could always be found to session with. Propina of 50 on top of 75 COP is standard now for media hora. Sexy Amigas was mostly hopeless this time but Antonella, Catalina and one other girl were OK. Selina at Zandalay was OK as well, Armonia was excellent with 7-10 decent looking girls.

[QUOTE=Oterri;3005435]It was rainy season but still a very good trip. Didn't check out the clubs, but had plenty of action at the casas. NL was quite busy with loud Americanos. They had the most girls, one or two could always be found to session with. Propina of 50 on top of 75 COP is standard now for media hora. Sexy Amigas was mostly hopeless this time but Antonella, Catalina and one other girl were OK. Selina at Zandalay was OK as well, Armonia was excellent with 7-10 decent looking girls.[/QUOTE]Propina is for extras like BBBJ etc. I always negotiate. Used to pay 20 for extra, now they demand little more.

[QUOTE=Oterri;3005435]It was rainy season but still a very good trip. Didn't check out the clubs, but had plenty of action at the casas. NL was quite busy with loud Americanos. They had the most girls, one or two could always be found to session with. Propina of 50 on top of 75 COP is standard now for media hora. Sexy Amigas was mostly hopeless this time but Antonella, Catalina and one other girl were OK. Selina at Zandalay was OK as well, Armonia was excellent with 7-10 decent looking girls.[/QUOTE]7 - 10 decent looking girls? Never heard of Armonia and I'm a casa man. One for my next visit.

30 K is the standard rate. 50 K is what the girls demand from foreigners. New Life is so foreigner heavy I don't doubt 50 K is the going rate there.

[QUOTE=ElPostino;3005556]Propina is for extras like BBBJ etc. I always negotiate. Used to pay 20 for extra, now they demand little more.[/QUOTE]

The path I was referring to leads to other casas. I had not been to Zandaly in a while and several girls I've known have not worked there in a while. We've been at other casas.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3004844]I am lost. What path did the girls take and what is the problem with Zandalay? Are you saying it is over because there were no girls you liked that particular day?[/QUOTE]

Casas have good days and bad days. In my opinion Zandaly used to be more consistent, especially back when Cata was managing it. Sexxy Amigas and even Aiffe have been more reliable in recent months. My opinion is based on 1 to 3 casa visits per week year round. It is a beautiful thing when you can hit a sweet spot of a casa with a good lineup. The places around Laureles are all around more reliable and only slightly more expensive than their Centro counterparts. If I were not an incorrigible Centro rat who like to be in striking distance of Botero Plaza I would probably frequent the Laureles joints more regularly.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3004998]I visited Zandalay when I was in Mde in April. The lineup was not great. Nevertheless, chose Hannah and had a good time. Basically, all casas have seen better days and I just tend to choose the best in the lineup who usually get the job done.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3005574]Casas have good days and bad days. In my opinion Zandaly used to be more consistent, especially back when Cata was managing it. Sexxy Amigas and even Aiffe have been more reliable in recent months. My opinion is based on 1 to 3 casa visits per week year round. It is a beautiful thing when you can hit a sweet spot of a casa with a good lineup. The places around Laureles are all around more reliable and only slightly more expensive than their Centro counterparts. If I were not an incorrigible Centro rat who like to be in striking distance of Botero Plaza I would probably frequent the Laureles joints more regularly.[/QUOTE]Having checked out several casas in Centro, one thing that I have not tested yet is the casas in Laureles. Any suggestions on which ones are the best and how much they cost? Thanks in advance.

How do you all get started setting up dates in advance on Facebook? I'm about 4 weeks out from my trip and I'm not sure where to start. I've been to Medellin a couple of times and have always found girls in Lleras or the clubs but I'm now looking to expand my horizons on Fb. Feel free to PM me.

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Hello,

I'll be heading to Medellin for the first time next month.

I only plan to go to the casas (massage spas) during the day probably in Laureles and Centro area.

I'm considering Energy Spa and New Life for the most part.

I read about Armonia, but I don't know where it is? Anyone know where it is?

Also one called Cataleya which is right next to Energy Spa. Is that any good?

I'm also concerned about safety.

I feel casas are safer than being out at night and in the strip clubs.

Is this a reasonable assumption?

Is it important taking a burner phone?

What precautions should I take when visiting the casas?

Tia.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3005570]30 K is the standard rate. 50 K is what the girls demand from foreigners. New Life is so foreigner heavy I don't doubt 50 K is the going rate there.[/QUOTE]Another thing is, some girls do BBBJ without even asking and demand 50 mil. It happened to me and my friends. They are aware as a foreigner we would make a scene out of it.

Hello,

It will be my first time heading to Medellin.

I want to visit the casas only, probably New Life and Energy Spa.

Right next to Energy I hear there is another one called Cataleya. How is that one?

Also I'm reading about one called Armonia. How is that one and what's the location?

What are some safety tips I should consider when entering / enjoying a casa?

Thank you.

Recently back from 2 weeks in Medellin.

Most of my time spent in Botero Plaza and Parque Lleras.

Haven't been to the casas in years. Since the casa map was made, LOL.

Before the invasion, the map, etc, the casas were awesome!

Very few gringos and great quality.

I know things change and you got to roll with it, however, not my thing anymore.

Anyway, always a street guy at heart, I loved the Botero!

I speak very good spanish, and searching and bantering with the chicas was fun.

Always found something nice and sweet and added a couple new favorites to my list.

Parque Lleras was pretty good as well.

Saw a handful of the same girls working Botero during the day, and met a few keepers in Parque Lleras as well.

The chicas in Lleras are accustomed to gringos obviously. Most were cool that I spoke with, and even better once you speak with them a bit and they see you're not a newbie and a cool person as well.

Botero was 50 K with propinas for more time, xtra, etc.

Parque Lleras was 300 K.

I'm not a heavier negotiator. Those prices were fine with me.

The most anyone asked for was 400 K and without really saying anything to them, they would lower the price to 300 K to get the deal done.

Some stunners in the park, some very cute, some hard core that I avoided, and mostly average type that you could find in Botero.

My favorites of the trip were a couple cuties I found in Botero Plaza.

Great trip!

Back to Brazil next week!

Enjoy!

I have been spending multiples days in parque lleras the past month. You might've seen me walking around.

Just trying to see the quality there. I've only gone to gustos once but I really think that place is done for. Who knows.

Anyways.

LLeras quality from like last 2 years has improved imo. Maybe I didn't spend enough time in lleras to give the girls a good shot.

Some interesting things:

Saw a cam girl I used to watch that lived in Bogota. Never went with her. She's not that pretty. Met her at Glow right in front of lleras.

Saw a girl who used to work in the clubs in Santa Fe, Bogota. I did her a couple times in santa fe and both times I couldn't finish with her. She's pretty but you can tell she has too much experience because she's so loose. She also works at glow.

Saw another girl venezuela girl from Bogota who used to work in the 15 min rato houses in the east side of Santa Fe, Bogota. Very cold now for some reason so I didn't go with her.

I guess this time of year girls from Bogota are coming to Medellin.

Some people leave some people come back for example I knew a cam girl who I met with multiple times from medellin. I was thinking to meet up with her now that I'm here. But when I was in santo domingo she told she might become a prepago in punta cana. I come back to MDE she tells me she's a prepago in Merida yucatan Mexico.

So. Back to lleras. The girls that go to lleras are the same girls every time. Or most of them at least because I met 2 "singers" working in lleras from barranquilla one day and they never came back.

If you see them there one time, you might see them again the next day. Same thing in the clubs. Only a few faces.

Sky park imo isn't a good club because I only saw one or two girls I liked on like Saturday and the rest were fat and on Sunday all were fat.

Glow on the other hand is a nice club the quality is I would say. 5 to 1 point better than the girls outside in lleras.

Most of the lleras girls are your average girls but there are a handful of slightly above average features here and there.

For example, very pretty faces are only a few but they probably won't have anything else.

You will find 3 or 4 with BBLs that look nice.

Girls with big boobs are rare. You'll be lucky to find one.

There's a set of twins that work as well with bbls. One of them has a boob job and the other doesn't. I always see the one without boobs because her sister is probably has a client because again big boobs are rare.

The singers quoted me 600 k. Didn't take the offer especially after talking to tehm but I did take their numbers.

A really hot girl from glow quoted me 500 k I was surprised. Because she's really hot. Didn't do her.

I went with a very pretty girl next door type probably the best face in the park. I've beenw atching her from afar for a couple days and a lot of people talk to her but she never goes with anyone. From bello. Asked for a drink. She said yes. She quoted me 400 k. Was surprised when she took her clothes off because she has a ass as well. Very nice would do again but there are more options oso probably won't.

Talked to a couple girls with pretty faces. Go their numebrs didn't do them.

The other day I went with a venzuelan with giant BBL and nice tits but not that great face. Quoted me 400 k. She was very nice. Would do again.

So that' where the prices are. I don't negotiate. I don't mind paying 400 k to 500 k any thing more is a no go. Unless I do my regular girl at la isla for 600 k or someone on par because she worth it.

Ah also: the park girl start coming in starting around 8 pm and by 9 to 10 pm all the girls that are going to work for the night are probably already there so by that time if you don't see something you like it might be better to go to another club like La isla, fase dos or go inside one of the park clubs like glow. After all 11 pm is the best time to go to la isla.

That's my strategy. I just go to the park and watch girls look at all of them and pick out the handful. And talk to all of them and get their numbers I used to do drinks but they will give you their whatsapp without that. And I could get all the girls numbers in the park but I just get the girls to either replace girls I already have or to fill aspects I don't have in myt roster like I need someone with big boobs or someone with a pretty face so I find that in the park and get their numbers to meet for later. Maybe their prices drop during the day who knows.

Hopefully this helped you.

[QUOTE=Haxagonus;3005856]I have been spending multiples days in parque lleras the past month. You might've seen me walking around.

Just trying to see the quality there. I've only gone to gustos once but I really think that place is done for. Who knows.

Anyways.

LLeras quality from like last 2 years has improved imo. Maybe I didn't spend enough time in lleras to give the girls a good shot.

Some interesting things:

Saw a cam girl I used to watch that lived in Bogota. Never went with her. She's not that pretty. Met her at Glow right in front of lleras..[/QUOTE]Great Report thanks for sharing. What does BBL mean?

[QUOTE=Nottymrme;3005725]......I want to visit the casas only, probably New Life and Energy Spa.......[/QUOTE]After not having been for years I hit Energy when I was in Mde last month. They had the hottest girls of all the casas I visited. I chose number 18 (whose name I cannot now recall) who I rated at the time as the hottest in the lineup but unfortunately she was loose and cold and I did not finish. She was the hottest girl I banged that trip and the only one with whom I did not finish. One does not always get the best sexual experience from the hottest girls.

I hate it when that happens. I've come to believe that the hottest girl in a casa is generally also the most run through.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3005900]After not having been for years I hit Energy when I was in Mde last month. They had the hottest girls of all the casas I visited. I chose number 18 (whose name I cannot now recall) who I rated at the time as the hottest in the lineup but unfortunately she was loose and cold and I did not finish. She was the hottest girl I banged that trip and the only one with whom I did not finish. One does not always get the best sexual experience from the hottest girls.[/QUOTE]

I started my trip with 6 days in Bogota, then 6 days in MDE with the final 4 days in Bogota. This report is for the MDE portion of the trip. I had not been to MDE since 2018 and a lot has changed since then.

Hotel- I spent 3 nights at the Hotel Park 10 in Poblado and 3 nights at the Nutibarra in El Centro ($80/ night). I stayed at the Mansion many times over the years and had some great times there. I walked by to see what was going on and saw a sign indicating the property had been foreclosed / seized by the city. The Park 10 was in a great location, just a short walk into Lleras. Large rooms and a luxury vibe to the hotel. The breakfast was excellent. I had a girl come over 2 of the days. I booked the room for 2 and said she was the other guest when I checked in. They charged me a partial VAT tax on the room since she was a local. I didn't fight it since it was 10 k COP. I suspect that you will have problems and / or have to pay guest fees if you have multiple guests each day or during your stay. But I wanted a really nice hotel for part of my stay in MDE so that was fine. The Nutibarra is cheap ($35/ night) and in a great location if you like El Centro. The hotel is old but I thought it was pretty cool. Comfy beds and the front desk staff was awesome. I did not bring any girls to my room at the Nutibarra but I believe it is girl friendly. I saw other gringos bringing in girls. Breakfast included was ok. I will stay at these same hotels on my next MDE trip.

El Centro girls- There was not much to choose from on most of my strolls on 53/ De Greif. On Day 2 in El Centro I did go up to the room with a girl from Venezuela. She was probably an 8, with great service.

Strip Clubs / Casas- I did not like the remodeled Fase 2 when I first walked in, but over the course of 3 nights there, I found that I like it more now than before the remodel. I thought there were more attractive girls there now, with a good vibe. I was solo, so no issues getting a seat at the bar. I went back to the rooms with 2 different girls. Both were beautiful and gave great service. One was from Venezuela and might be the best looking girl I have had in MDE. Rate was 400 k for the girl and room. The quality of service at F2 has been spotty for me in the past (either really good or not so good), but from my experience and other gringos I spoke to, its consistently good now. I did not make it to La Isla because I liked Fase 2 so much. I also tried Barre Ejecutiva and Playmates Bar Show. Had a great Venezuelan girl at Barre Ejecutiva. Playmates was dead both times I went there. I did not make it to Energy on this trip but I hear its still really good there. That's really the only casa I go to as I prefer the strip clubs and street girls.

FB Girl- Met a girl on FB before the trip that came to my hotel twice. Former gymnast and pole vaulter, not kidding. Great body, really cute and good attitude. She actually spoke English.

Lleras- I spent an hour in Gustos one night. Great selection but I did not take anything out. I chatted with a few girls in the park across from Gustos. Some really good looking girls there. Did not take any but definitely saw some I liked. Had dinner at Tauras Steakhouse on two of the nights I was there. Excellent food, had a great NY strip one night. Lleras was more fun now than I remember it being on prior trips.

Transportation- Primarily used Uber. Took the bus to and from the airport. If you are staying at the Nutibarra, it is really convenient. Less than 20 k COP each way. Make sure you leave for the airport a little earlier than normal as the bus does multiple stops on the way (from Nutibarra). From the airport I was dropped off in the San Diego area and took a taxi to my hotel in Poblado. The tunnels make the trip a lot faster now.

[QUOTE=Nottymrme;3005669]
I'm also concerned about safety. I feel casas are safer than being out at night and in the strip clubs.
Is this a reasonable assumption? Is it important taking a burner phone?
[/QUOTE]If you are not familiar or comfortable being in a foreign city, then yes, it will be safer and more comfortable. But the GFE experience is more limited in a Casa, vs. Making a connection with a local girl that can go all night or more. So there is always a tradeoff. Don't need a burner phone, just don't be using it in end of a sidewalk or other places where someone could swipe it and run. Otherwise, it's fine.

[URL]https://www.medellin.gov.co/es/sala-de-prensa/noticias/captura-de-una-red-que-secuestraba-y-extorsionaba-a-turistas-en-discotecas-del-parque-lleras/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3005570]New Life is so foreigner heavy I don't doubt 50 K is the going rate there.[/QUOTE]The rate has increased from 50 K for everyone. No more 50 K.

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3006230][URL]https://www.medellin.gov.co/es/sala-de-prensa/noticias/captura-de-una-red-que-secuestraba-y-extorsionaba-a-turistas-en-discotecas-del-parque-lleras/[/URL][/QUOTE]This is good news. I know people on here report that the police are useless, but it appears that people complaining to the police about bars fleecing the customers are what started the investigation. It's disgusting that a US citizen was the leader of the whole thing. I hope he gets the full 60 years in prison.

I am curious, does it give us an Edge in negotiating if we have a local WhatsApp number? I was thinking about getting a local number for my WhatsApp.

Is the bridge open or closed? What's everyone's drive times from airport to Poblado? I am arriving tomorrow.

[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3006724]Is the bridge open or closed? What's everyone's drive times from airport to Poblado? I am arriving tomorrow.[/QUOTE]I think you mean the tunnel. You can just check Google Maps to see if it is open. It currently is. Travel time from the airport to Poblado is roughly 25-30 minutes, but depending on the time and potential traffic it could take a little longer.

Saludos:

This will be my third trip to Medellin this year. The hotel I usually use will not be available. Can someone recommend a chica friendly hotel in Poblado, reasonably near Parque Lleras? Gracias!

Have a lot from a recent trip. Message me if you have similar!

Allow an hour travel time to or from the airport so you don't have to worry about whether the tunnel is open or not. Even if the tunnel is open, and it usually is, any single flat tire or accident makes it a slower route than the original trip over the mountains. That can happen at any time along with taxi protests.

[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3006724]Is the bridge open or closed? What's everyone's drive times from airport to Poblado? I am arriving tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

Men. . Try to treat these women like people and not objects. If you want a GFE. Then act like a BF. Just some advice from an expert. Short and sweet.

[QUOTE=ElBacano;3007371]Men. . Try to treat these women like people and not objects. If you want a GFE. Then act like a BF. Just some advice from an expert. Short and sweet.[/QUOTE]

No doubt valid, albeit pretty obvious, advice. But "....from an expert"? Guys, let's keep some perspective on what we're up to here as mongers: that is, paying chicas for sex. In how to go about this activity in Medellin, no doubt some of us on this board have some useful experience to share with others who are new to the city or to the hobby itself.
But experts? It's not championship chess, electrical repair, or, in that oldest of cliches, rocket science.

Most of the expertise on this thread centers on how to get a lady from Parque Lleras back to one's apartment for 250 or 300 mil instead of 400 or 500 (i.e. how to save 20 US bucks or so when getting laid --or to get a Plaza Botero quickie for 40 k with clean sheets).

Let's share our enjoyment in the wonders of Paisa Pussyland, but none of us has anything to brag about.

[QUOTE=Haxagonus;3005856]
Hopefully this helped you.[/QUOTE]100%. These are the reports we're all looking for. Thanks for taking the time to do this. Going to copy your method when I get back there end of June. You're saying Glow is better than Gustos though in terms of quantity and quality of girls? That's news for me since I was last there in 2023.

Last time I was in Medellin, I didn't even bother with La Isla. There were just too many high-quality girls to choose from Parque Lleras, Gustos, and using Seeking. Didn't even have time to check out anywhere else.

Oh Twins?

Working as street girls? Do they do duos?

[QUOTE=ElBacano;3007371] If you want a GFE. Then act like a BF. Just some advice from an expert.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. Treat a hoe like a girlfriend and she will be nagging you to buy her everything she can get her hands on at the clothing store, and you will go along with it, and not get laid. They have to EARN every dollar they are paid. Once you let your guard down and pretend you are a nice guy they will steal from you, take advantage of your generosity and run home early once they get paid.

Very stupid advice, from a novice and not an expert.

[QUOTE=ElBacano;3007371]Men. . Try to treat these women like people and not objects. If you want a GFE. Then act like a BF. Just some advice from an expert. Short and sweet.[/QUOTE]This is excellent advice and a good way to get long dates with BBFS for cheap. And make sure to give them a good fucking. They will be wanting more. Take it from another expert.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;3007608]This is excellent advice and a good way to get long dates with BBFS for cheap.[/QUOTE]This is also dumb as fuck. Seems like a woman made up this saying. When I get ready to leave this restaurant, I am going to pick up my sunglasses (an object) and put them on my face and ride off into the noon. As I walk out of this restaurant, I am going to pass by actual people and I am not going to say a mf word to them. I am going to act like they are not even there. And I also think they will not give one thought to me (another person) walking right past them. Do you think I am throwing my sunglasses around and stomping on them? Do you think I am hugging every person I pass and telling them to have a great day? Treat them like people and not like objects. Again fucking dumb.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;3007608]And make sure to give them a good fucking. They will be wanting more.[/QUOTE]Yes. Because neither the 20 guys before you nor the 20 guys after you will be giving them a good fucking. So they will not be wanting more from those guys. Did you happen to have to give them money along with the good fucking? Maybe you are saying they will be wanting more of the money. After all, what is a good fucking without the money? I am sure they will gladly accept the money without the good fucking though.

What if you and ElBacano fuck the same hooker, but he gives her a better good fucking than you? Will she want more from him, but not from you?

You mongers and your fantasy lives. Lay off the porn!

[QUOTE=Mcdaddy;3005951]I started my trip with 6 days in Bogota, then 6 days in MDE with the final 4 days in Bogota. This report is for the MDE portion of the trip. I had not been to MDE since 2018 and a lot has changed since then.

Hotel- I spent 3 nights at the Hotel Park 10 in Poblado and 3 nights at the Nutibarra in El Centro ($80/ night). I stayed at the Mansion many times over the years and had some great times there. I walked by to see what was going on and saw a sign indicating the property had been foreclosed / seized by the city. The Park 10 was in a great location, just a short walk into Lleras. Large rooms and a luxury vibe to the hotel. The breakfast was excellent. I had a girl come over 2 of the days. I booked the room for 2 and said she was the other guest when I checked in. They charged me a partial VAT tax on the room since she was a local. I didn't fight it since it was 10 k COP. I suspect that you will have problems and / or have to pay guest fees if you have multiple guests each day or during your stay. But I wanted a really nice hotel for part of my stay in MDE so that was fine. The Nutibarra is cheap ($35/ night) and in a great location if you like El Centro. The hotel is old but I thought it was pretty cool. Comfy beds and the front desk staff was awesome. I did not bring any girls to my room at the Nutibarra but I believe it is girl friendly. I saw other gringos bringing in girls. Breakfast included was ok. I will stay at these same hotels on my next MDE trip.

El Centro girls- There was not much to choose from on most of my strolls on 53/ De Greif. On Day 2 in El Centro I did go up to the room with a girl from Venezuela. She was probably an 8, with great service.

Strip Clubs / Casas- I did not like the remodeled Fase 2 when I first walked in, but over the course of 3 nights there, I found that I like it more now than before the remodel. I thought there were more attractive girls there now, with a good vibe. I was solo, so no issues getting a seat at the bar. I went back to the rooms with 2 different girls. Both were beautiful and gave great service. One was from Venezuela and might be the best looking girl I have had in MDE. Rate was 400 k for the girl and room. The quality of service at F2 has been spotty for me in the past (either really good or not so good), but from my experience and other gringos I spoke to, its consistently good now. I did not make it to La Isla because I liked Fase 2 so much. I also tried Barre Ejecutiva and Playmates Bar Show. Had a great Venezuelan girl at Barre Ejecutiva. Playmates was dead both times I went there. I did not make it to Energy on this trip but I hear its still really good there. That's really the only casa I go to as I prefer the strip clubs and street girls.

FB Girl- Met a girl on FB before the trip that came to my hotel twice. Former gymnast and pole vaulter, not kidding. Great body, really cute and good attitude. She actually spoke English.

Lleras- I spent an hour in Gustos one night. Great selection but I did not take anything out. I chatted with a few girls in the park across from Gustos. Some really good looking girls there. Did not take any but definitely saw some I liked. Had dinner at Tauras Steakhouse on two of the nights I was there. Excellent food, had a great NY strip one night. Lleras was more fun now than I remember it being on prior trips.

Transportation- Primarily used Uber. Took the bus to and from the airport. If you are staying at the Nutibarra, it is really convenient. Less than 20 k COP each way. Make sure you leave for the airport a little earlier than normal as the bus does multiple stops on the way (from Nutibarra). From the airport I was dropped off in the San Diego area and took a taxi to my hotel in Poblado. The tunnels make the trip a lot faster now.[/QUOTE]Tried to PM you but you're not PMable! LOL If you could PM me here or on its sister site: usasexguide please do so. This would be my first trip to Colombia and I really would love to pick more of your brains on both Medellin and Bogota man!

[QUOTE=OldParr;3007623]Might want to buy some Victoria Secret panties..[/QUOTE]Tried this approach for a woman I met on a sugar dating site, offered to buy her some VS panties. So we went to VS and got 5 pair of panties, then she wanted bras, they were buy 2 and get one free. Then she wanted another outfit for lounging around in the hotel room. Total damage was $225 at VC. Plus she wanted $400-500 more for a good fuck.

Forget the VS panties project. Women are not worth it!

What would be worse? Landing in MDE customs on a Wednesday at 1 PM with 4 international flights ahead of me vs Wednesday 10 AM with 4 international flights ahead as well.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;3007807]Tried this approach for a woman I met on a sugar dating site, offered to buy her some VS panties. So we went to VS and got 5 pair of panties, then she wanted bras, they were buy 2 and get one free. Then she wanted another outfit for lounging around in the hotel room. Total damage was $225 at VC. Plus she wanted $400-500 more for a good fuck.

Forget the VS panties project. Women are not worth it![/QUOTE]You took a hooker shopping? That is really dumb. Don't do that again. I said to give them a pair of $5 panties that you bought online if they blew your mind for a fair price not to spend $225 taking them to VS. Then you get the pics and vids of them modeling the gift and they love it.

Hey mates, I'm new to the party. I'm traveling to Medellin for a week and want to find a companion for my trip. I've heard a lot of scary stories about being drugged and robbed, so I'm thinking about a "smart" way. Is it a good idea to find a girl in Bogota who is willing to travel? The setup probably involves more than the girl, and if she is in a new city, the risk is much lower, right?

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;3007807]Tried this approach for a woman I met on a sugar dating site, offered to buy her some VS panties. So we went to VS and got 5 pair of panties, then she wanted bras, they were buy 2 and get one free. Then she wanted another outfit for lounging around in the hotel room. Total damage was $225 at VC. Plus she wanted $400-500 more for a good fuck.

Forget the VS panties project. Women are not worth it![/QUOTE]You didn't say where that happened. If it was in the United States, the women are entitled to that. If you don't believe it, just ask them. !Sarcasm!

I think you will be slightly better off with the earlier arrival. I had to go to the US 5 times since January which is a lot for me. I usually arrive around noon on American. Other that arrive at that time operated by Jet Blue, Spirit, and Copa. If you are especially unlikely, your flight will arrive at one of the gates that are farther away from the immigration area. Passengers from the other flights would be ahead of you in the hallway leading to immigration. I've come to the conclusion that the number of agents manning the booths are the most important factor, assuming they aren't doing an intentional slowdown.

[QUOTE=Lofter;3007909]What would be worse? Landing in MDE customs on a Wednesday at 1 PM with 4 international flights ahead of me vs Wednesday 10 AM with 4 international flights ahead as well.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sibo1117;3008067]Hey mates, I'm new to the party. I'm traveling to Medellin for a week and want to find a companion for my trip. I've heard a lot of scary stories about being drugged and robbed, so I'm thinking about a "smart" way. Is it a good idea to find a girl in Bogota who is willing to travel? The setup probably involves more than the girl, and if she is in a new city, the risk is much lower, right?[/QUOTE]How will they get to MDE? It 's very long bus ride and do you really think someone will book a flight to see you? You'll be fine if you meet one woman at time in place that has security. Also, don't involve alcohol of any kind. You'll be fine.

[QUOTE=Sibo1117;3008067]Hey mates, I'm new to the party. I'm traveling to Medellin for a week and want to find a companion for my trip. I've heard a lot of scary stories about being drugged and robbed, so I'm thinking about a "smart" way. Is it a good idea to find a girl in Bogota who is willing to travel? The setup probably involves more than the girl, and if she is in a new city, the risk is much lower, right?[/QUOTE]This makes no sense. You're saying you're looking to match with a girl in Bogota and then take her traveling with you to another city, say Medellin? Yeah don't do that.

Just lock up all your valuables when you bring a girl over, stay in a place that has a doorman or a reception, and don't drink alcohol while the girl is in your room. You need to have your full wits about you so you can also enjoy the experience. Easy day.

Went to Lleras for the first time in a while because someone is visiting from out of town. In general, I don't like the scene but I did see some cute chicas. I would say 1 out of 3 or 4 was doable for me. I was just tagging along while my friend collected numbers. Most girls seem to start high but are open to negotiation. Some quoted in USD. One girl sent my friend the attached, which I laughed at.

You guys seem to have a fixation of putting panties on chicas, I have a fixation of taking them off.

[QUOTE=Sibo1117;3008067]Hey mates, I'm new to the party. I'm traveling to Medellin for a week and want to find a companion for my trip. I've heard a lot of scary stories about being drugged and robbed, so I'm thinking about a "smart" way. Is it a good idea to find a girl in Bogota who is willing to travel? The setup probably involves more than the girl, and if she is in a new city, the risk is much lower, right?[/QUOTE]Just as many druggings with chicas from Bogota so that part isn't smart. And if she is one of those types that is looking to drug you it won't matter where you take her it won't change the risk in any way I can imagine.

You can reduce your risk a lot by seeing girls in the casas, or even in strip clubs on site. Or in a few other ways as has been discussed in these forums many times. Having a trip companion would be a huge nuisance in my opinion. And a lot more costly for sure, and the biggest risk is that you get way too much drama.

[QUOTE=Lofter;3007909]What would be worse? Landing in MDE customs on a Wednesday at 1 PM with 4 international flights ahead of me vs Wednesday 10 AM with 4 international flights ahead as well.[/QUOTE]If not delayed, the 1 pm Spirit from MCO is first in queue. I don't know about the 10 am.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;3008217]I got the pics. Panties were not the issue.[/QUOTE]You spent $700 on that? Sad.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;3008217]I got the pics. Panties were not the issue.[/QUOTE]Glad you had fun. You did you well.

Great report. How did you feel the vibe as far as security in Medellin especially in El Centro?

[QUOTE=Mcdaddy;3005951]I started my trip with 6 days in Bogota, then 6 days in MDE with the final 4 days in Bogota. This report is for the MDE portion of the trip. I had not been to MDE since 2018 and a lot has changed since then.

Hotel- I spent 3 nights at the Hotel Park 10 in Poblado and 3 nights at the Nutibarra in El Centro ($80/ night). I stayed at the Mansion many times over the years and had some great times there. I walked by to see what was going on and saw a sign indicating the property had been foreclosed / seized by the city. The Park 10 was in a great location, just a short walk into Lleras. Large rooms and a luxury vibe to the hotel. The breakfast was excellent. I had a girl come over 2 of the days. I booked the room for 2 and said she was the other guest when I checked in. They charged me a partial VAT tax on the room since she was a local. I didn't fight it since it was 10 k COP. I suspect that you will have problems and / or have to pay guest fees if you have multiple guests each day or during your stay. But I wanted a really nice hotel for part of my stay in MDE so that was fine. The Nutibarra is cheap ($35/ night) and in a great location if you like El Centro. The hotel is old but I thought it was pretty cool. Comfy beds and the front desk staff was awesome. I did not bring any girls to my room at the Nutibarra but I believe it is girl friendly. I saw other gringos bringing in girls. Breakfast included was ok. I will stay at these same hotels on my next MDE trip.

El Centro girls- There was not much to choose from on most of my strolls on 53/ De Greif. On Day 2 in El Centro I did go up to the room with a girl from Venezuela. She was probably an 8, with great service.

Strip Clubs / Casas- I did not like the remodeled Fase 2 when I first walked in, but over the course of 3 nights there, I found that I like it more now than before the remodel. I thought there were more attractive girls there now, with a good vibe. I was solo, so no issues getting a seat at the bar. I went back to the rooms with 2 different girls. Both were beautiful and gave great service. One was from Venezuela and might be the best looking girl I have had in MDE. Rate was 400 k for the girl and room. The quality of service at F2 has been spotty for me in the past (either really good or not so good), but from my experience and other gringos I spoke to, its consistently good now. I did not make it to La Isla because I liked Fase 2 so much. I also tried Barre Ejecutiva and Playmates Bar Show. Had a great Venezuelan girl at Barre Ejecutiva. Playmates was dead both times I went there. I did not make it to Energy on this trip but I hear its still really good there. That's really the only casa I go to as I prefer the strip clubs and street girls.

FB Girl- Met a girl on FB before the trip that came to my hotel twice. Former gymnast and pole vaulter, not kidding. Great body, really cute and good attitude. She actually spoke English.

Lleras- I spent an hour in Gustos one night. Great selection but I did not take anything out. I chatted with a few girls in the park across from Gustos. Some really good looking girls there. Did not take any but definitely saw some I liked. Had dinner at Tauras Steakhouse on two of the nights I was there. Excellent food, had a great NY strip one night. Lleras was more fun now than I remember it being on prior trips.

Transportation- Primarily used Uber. Took the bus to and from the airport. If you are staying at the Nutibarra, it is really convenient. Less than 20 k COP each way. Make sure you leave for the airport a little earlier than normal as the bus does multiple stops on the way (from Nutibarra). From the airport I was dropped off in the San Diego area and took a taxi to my hotel in Poblado. The tunnels make the trip a lot faster now.[/QUOTE]

Great report! Seems you have good experience in Medellin. Is it relative safe walking around in El Centro / Plaza Botero? Are the chicas cool, they won't try to scam you or drug you? What time of day is best time to visit El Centro / Plaza Botero?

[QUOTE=Balboa;3005779]Recently back from 2 weeks in Medellin.

Most of my time spent in Botero Plaza and Parque Lleras.

Haven't been to the casas in years. Since the casa map was made, LOL.

Before the invasion, the map, etc, the casas were awesome!

Very few gringos and great quality.

I know things change and you got to roll with it, however, not my thing anymore.

Anyway, always a street guy at heart, I loved the Botero!

I speak very good spanish, and searching and bantering with the chicas was fun.

Always found something nice and sweet and added a couple new favorites to my list.

Parque Lleras was pretty good as well.

Saw a handful of the same girls working Botero during the day, and met a few keepers in Parque Lleras as well.

The chicas in Lleras are accustomed to gringos obviously. Most were cool that I spoke with, and even better once you speak with them a bit and they see you're not a newbie and a cool person as well.

Botero was 50 K with propinas for more time, xtra, etc.

Parque Lleras was 300 K.

I'm not a heavier negotiator. Those prices were fine with me.

The most anyone asked for was 400 K and without really saying anything to them, they would lower the price to 300 K to get the deal done.

Some stunners in the park, some very cute, some hard core that I avoided, and mostly average type that you could find in Botero.

My favorites of the trip were a couple cuties I found in Botero Plaza.

Great trip!

Back to Brazil next week!

Enjoy![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WwMonger;3008514]Great report! Seems you have good experience in Medellin. Is it relative safe walking around in El Centro / Plaza Botero? Are the chicas cool, they won't try to scam you or drug you? What time of day is best time to visit El Centro / Plaza Botero?[/QUOTE]Yes it is relatively safe, in the daytime. Chicas are cool, they need to make some $ so they will generally give you what you want for the agreed on price. Best time of day is later in the afternoon, starting at 2-3 pm until dark, the bars are hopping & plenty of chicas around. Once the sun goes down, get out. There are a few strip clubs you might want to check out late in the afternoon but as with most strip clubs, they are best latw at night & for these you arrive in an uber or taxi.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;3008408]You spent $700 on that? Sad.[/QUOTE]That was my total damage Friday thru Sunday. Much of the money was buying her clothes, lingerie, etc. Which she wore proudly the next day. And she drove me around in her car all weekend. Those were US prices, a fair value. She was slightly belly fat, but huge natural boobs, so it a trade-off. Tinny titties have slim waste. Big titties come with some belly fat.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3008225]How will they get to MDE? It 's very long bus ride and do you really think someone will book a flight to see you? You'll be fine if you meet one woman at time in place that has security. Also, don't involve alcohol of any kind. You'll be fine.[/QUOTE]Haha, I guess I was over scared by some Reddit posts. But I think my logic holds.

I don't mind booking the flight for her. The risk is low, because 1) the flight is cheap, it's like less than $100 round trip. 2) She can't make profit out of scamming, it's paid directly to airline 3) She gives the name and DoB for the flight, and the airline will verify it for me when she boards.

After all, she has no incentive to scam me in the process, and once she arrives, it basically means she is really pre-screened.

Again, I agree with you that I'm probably being over cautious.

[QUOTE=Sibo1117;3008974]After all, she has no incentive to scam me in the process.[/QUOTE]No incentive to scam is needed; it's in their DNA. You're making a rookie mistake.

Anyone use Colombian Cupid? Going to Medellin in August. I hear that the dating apps (Tinder, Bumble Ect) aren't the best and more likely to get scammed. Wouldn't mind having a few girls lined up before I arrive.

[QUOTE=TommyD2025;3009095]Anyone use Colombian Cupid? Going to Medellin in August. I hear that the dating apps (Tinder, Bumble Ect) aren't the best and more likely to get scammed. Wouldn't mind having a few girls lined up before I arrive.[/QUOTE]Its like any other dating service. The women here generally show old photos when they were slim, now they are fatter. They want / expect money for taxi fare, anything else they can think of. If you have sex with them, they will come up with some story that you need to give them money, blah, blah, blah.

Half the women I met on that site were OK, had sex by the second date. The other half were not looking like their photos when met in person.

[QUOTE=TommyD2025;3009095]Anyone use Colombian Cupid? Going to Medellin in August. I hear that the dating apps (Tinder, Bumble Ect) aren't the best and more likely to get scammed. Wouldn't mind having a few girls lined up before I arrive.[/QUOTE]That site is dated. Lots older women and plain Janes. Tinder is far better for what you pay.

[QUOTE=TommyD2025;3009095]Anyone use Colombian Cupid? Going to Medellin in August. I hear that the dating apps (Tinder, Bumble Ect) aren't the best and more likely to get scammed. Wouldn't mind having a few girls lined up before I arrive.[/QUOTE]IMO, in Medellin it's mostly the same women on all of these dating apps. A lot of guys use FB to meet working girls now.

Have a friend in town visiting, so we hit centro yesterday afternoon, and we found some diamonds in the rough! Cute, college co-ed looking girls, both 19, sylvia and paola in town from Pereira. Took them back to my buddies room in the nutibara, and had a great time. Ordered rappi, they hung out with us till about midnight. Definite repeats. Most of the girls you see in centro are 5's and under, but if you speak decent spanish and have time and patience to sift through the riff raff, not always, but sometimes you get lucky and find some jewels.

Next time you go to MDE, buy panties and bras from Shin, or Temu of size you prefer. Its better to take hooker to eat so you have companionship then shopping.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;3007807]Tried this approach for a woman I met on a sugar dating site, offered to buy her some VS panties. So we went to VS and got 5 pair of panties, then she wanted bras, they were buy 2 and get one free. Then she wanted another outfit for lounging around in the hotel room. Total damage was $225 at VC. Plus she wanted $400-500 more for a good fuck.

Forget the VS panties project. Women are not worth it![/QUOTE]

Spent over 3 hours in the immigration line at MDE airport after landing at 1 PM. Another hour from airport to hotel because it was rush hour. I love Medellin and have been coming for years but if they can't figure out how to process tourists quickly then I'll spend my money elsewhere.

[URL]https://co.usembassy.gov/alert-operacion-tortuga-possible-delays-at-immigration-entry-and-exit/[/URL]

Hello all,

I am planning to visit Medellin on 4th July week. I am bit apprehensive about app safety issue.

I visited Bogota last December, I found it safe. I had been with quite a few escorts. Been to many brothels never felt unsafe.

My question is Medellin, how is safety situation different than Bogota?

I am Indian American and whenever I go to this places, I identify myself as Indian to fly under the radar and brown skin helps to avoid unnecessary attention of scammer.

Milerotics and Prepagos worked well for me in Bogota, how is it in Medellin? Are brothel safer?

Any advice would help.

[QUOTE=Playboy2021;3009282]Spent over 3 hours in the immigration line at MDE airport after landing at 1 PM. Another hour from airport to hotel because it was rush hour. I love Medellin and have been coming for years but if they can't figure out how to process tourists quickly then I'll spend my money elsewhere.

[URL]https://co.usembassy.gov/alert-operacion-tortuga-possible-delays-at-immigration-entry-and-exit/[/URL][/QUOTE]Sucks but that's the new reality unless you get lucky and arrive with no other flights. As far as not returning, I doubt they care. Medellin has seen exponential growth in tourism. El Poblado and Laureles are infested with gringos.

I think I agree with Playboy on this. If you are coming here for a vacation of a week or two it's monstrous to spend the first several hours waiting on line.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3009293]Sucks but that's the new reality unless you get lucky and arrive with no other flights. As far as not returning, I doubt they care. Medellin has seen exponential growth in tourism. El Poblado and Laureles are infested with gringos.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Playboy2021;3009282]Spent over 3 hours in the immigration line at MDE airport after landing at 1 PM. Another hour from airport to hotel because it was rush hour. I love Medellin and have been coming for years but if they can't figure out how to process tourists quickly then I'll spend my money elsewhere.

[URL]https://co.usembassy.gov/alert-operacion-tortuga-possible-delays-at-immigration-entry-and-exit/[/URL][/QUOTE]It took me awhile to find a workaround and I only have a a 5 minute wait.

I tried American Airlines and they got in late which is after 1 pm and I was stuck in line. Another option is fly to Bogota and go through immigration there and then it would be a domestic flight. I only got that option with Avianca.

I only fly Jetblue now redeye from west coast and I get the first flight to MDE and it arrives at noon or so. There's no line. I always upgrade to the first 3 aisles so I can get to front of the line.

I don't know if it's still the same.

I have a trip after a few weeks. My flight will arrive at MDE at around 9 pm Wednesday and I am expected to be ready to go downtown at 11:30 pm or 12 am.

I know many prefer picking up girls near Parque Lleras but I am afraid if it is too late. Maybe I can try Parque Lleras on the next day?

What can be done quickly at 12 am for a short fun?*I heard that La Isla club is expensive.

Fase Dos and Luna Lunera are a better option? They are strip clubs and does not have its own rooms for a short play?

What about Gusto club? Is it packed with working girls? Or any other suggestions?

Airbnb / hotels (if I booked for two) mostly allow a girl as a guest when I pick up and take a girl to my room? And the girl's ID is strictly checked?

I expect clubs accept credit cards. But do girls accept COP only, not USD?

Thanks,

[QUOTE=Sp1000;3009425]I have a trip after a few weeks. My flight will arrive at MDE at around 9 pm Wednesday and I am expected to be ready to go downtown at 11:30 pm or 12 am.

I know many prefer picking up girls near Parque Lleras but I am afraid if it is too late. Maybe I can try Parque Lleras on the next day?

What can be done quickly at 12 am for a short fun?*I heard that La Isla club is expensive.
[/QUOTE]Midnight is the start of the night in Latino time so you'll be fine. Gusto doesn't even really start filling up until like 11 pm. So you are pretty much hitting the sweet spot if you are trying to hit up Lleras around midnight.

[QUOTE=Sp1000;3009425] I am expected to be ready to go downtown at 11:30 pm or 12 am. [/QUOTE]Do you really want to hang out in El Centro at that time of night?

All joking aside, the area around Botero gets increasingly sketchy after 8 PM and honestly, I wouldn't be wandering around at midnight, just a bad idea. No vendors are out, hardly any police, a handful of not usually the most attractive girls and a whole bunch of drug dealers, robbers, etc. I just wouldn't be out at midnight around there, but if you're an extreme risk taker, go for it and let us know how it is!!

As someone else noted, Lleras only *really* starts getting busy around 10 PM, is truly popping about 11:30 PM-Midnight, and if you already have an Airbnb near there, then I'd just stay in that area. Lleras and surrounding streets get FULL of girls by 2 AM when some of the bars / clubs start shutting down and if they haven't already had a client, and many haven't, then the window between 2-3 AM is usually an ideal time to grab a girl, negotiate a better price because she's about to take the taxi ride home with no client money in her purse, and have some fun. I've been out all night in Lleras area, no problems, lots of police around, lots of regular vendors / beer stands / etc. Are open, so you're much safer, but still keep your eyes open and don't get too drunk or high (if that's your thing), as it can easily lead you to some serious problems.

Enjoy and please report back!

[QUOTE=Sp1000;3009425]I have a trip after a few weeks. My flight will arrive at MDE at around 9 pm Wednesday and I am expected to be ready to go downtown at 11:30 pm or 12 am.

I know many prefer picking up girls near Parque Lleras but I am afraid if it is too late. Maybe I can try Parque Lleras on the next day?

What can be done quickly at 12 am for a short fun?*I heard that La Isla club is expensive.

Fase Dos and Luna Lunera are a better option? They are strip clubs and does not have its own rooms for a short play?

What about Gusto club? Is it packed with working girls? Or any other suggestions?[/QUOTE]

The strip clubs are survivable at that hour, assuming you arrive and leave by ride share app. In a pinch you can get the doormen to get you taxis but that can be risky.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3009463]Do you really want to hang out in El Centro at that time of night?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sp1000;3009425]I have a trip after a few weeks. My flight will arrive at MDE at around 9 pm Wednesday and I am expected to be ready to go downtown at 11:30 pm or 12 am.

I know many prefer picking up girls near Parque Lleras but I am afraid if it is too late. Maybe I can try Parque Lleras on the next day?

What can be done quickly at 12 am for a short fun?*I heard that La Isla club is expensive.

Fase Dos and Luna Lunera are a better option? They are strip clubs and does not have its own rooms for a short play?

What about Gusto club? Is it packed with working girls? Or any other suggestions?

Airbnb / hotels (if I booked for two) mostly allow a girl as a guest when I pick up and take a girl to my room? And the girl's ID is strictly checked?

I expect clubs accept credit cards. But do girls accept COP only, not USD?

Thanks,[/QUOTE]Parque LLeras is just getting ramped up at 11:00 pm, not dangerous at all late at night, just don't be a drunken idiot and take a taxi, Uber or Indrive when you leave. When you say "downtown" I hope you don't mean El Centro because that is not a place for most people after dark.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3009424]It took me awhile to find a workaround and I only have a a 5 minute wait.

I tried American Airlines and they got in late which is after 1 pm and I was stuck in line. Another option is fly to Bogota and go through immigration there and then it would be a domestic flight. I only got that option with Avianca.

I only fly Jetblue now redeye from west coast and I get the first flight to MDE and it arrives at noon or so. There's no line. I always upgrade to the first 3 aisles so I can get to front of the line.

I don't know if it's still the same.[/QUOTE]The time you spend going through an extra airport completely makes up for the time not spent in line at MDE, most likely taking you longer actually and certainly not cost effective. I looked into it myself but it makes no sense to me.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3009544]The time you spend going through an extra airport completely makes up for the time not spent in line at MDE, most likely taking you longer actually and certainly not cost effective. I looked into it myself but it makes no sense to me.[/QUOTE]Medellin is already Fckup. Why would people want to Fckup Bogota as well? #looselipsesinkships.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3009544]The time you spend going through an extra airport completely makes up for the time not spent in line at MDE, most likely taking you longer actually and certainly not cost effective. I looked into it myself but it makes no sense to me.[/QUOTE]It may not make sense for you, but it does make sense for some people or my flights, there are no direct flights to Medellin so I always have to have a layover in one city. However, there are some flights that will fly directly to Bogota as the layover city and then from there fly to Medellin. So it is not an extra flights and it is not extra time. It just means that you will go to immigration in Bogota and not Medellin.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3009544]The time you spend going through an extra airport completely makes up for the time not spent in line at MDE, most likely taking you longer actually and certainly not cost effective. I looked into it myself but it makes no sense to me.[/QUOTE]Sit in traffic for 30 minutes or go another route where you do not know what the fuck will happen. Patience is a virtue and you can fuck yourself by not being patient.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3009167]That site is dated. Lots older women and plain Janes. Tinder is far better for what you pay.[/QUOTE]I completely agree. I used to use Latin American and Colombian Cupid with great success, but the scammers have infiltrated those sites / apps too. I'm not even a paying member and I am getting likes, favorited and messages daily on both sites despite logging on once a week or so.

So many obvious non-Latinas pretending to be in Colombia or in other central / South American countries and some use other countries in Europe, Asia, Africa or even USA as their home. Totally missed the Latina part of these sites. If I wanted Asian or African, there's International Cupid or other Asian based Cupid sites.

These scammers all have the same pattern. One picture, minimal information on their profile and won't do video calls (duh)!

So not worth the fee anymore. I find Bumble and Tinder better, but you have to pay for a subscription to use travel mode. I've got to find out who owns the Cupid sites and email them, as it is clear they do ZERO screening. I'd estimate half the profiles are fake now. I hate being unpaid quality control for the Cupid empire. Their quality has severely dropped off. Maybe even post some bad reviews on Google Store and anywhere else visible to potential subscribers. There were always fake profiles and Western Union chicas before, but now the fakes have gotten out of control.

And thanks for your concern, MongerHunger.

By watching youtube about the atmosphere of Parque Lleras, I had misconception that Parque Lleras is a part of downtown.

I will stay near Parque Lleras and will be around that area at night.

In terms of girl-friendly accommodation, unfortunately, I already see some Airbnbs indicate zero tolerance for sex tourists, haha. Something that I haven't seen in other cities.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;3009514]All joking aside, the area around Botero gets increasingly sketchy after 8 PM and honestly, I wouldn't be wandering around at midnight, just a bad idea. No vendors are out, hardly any police, a handful of not usually the most attractive girls and a whole bunch of drug dealers, robbers, etc. I just wouldn't be out at midnight around there, but if you're an extreme risk taker, go for it and let us know how it is!!
Enjoy and please report back![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;3009438]Midnight is the start of the night in Latino time so you'll be fine. Gusto doesn't even really start filling up until like 11 pm. So you are pretty much hitting the sweet spot if you are trying to hit up Lleras around midnight.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3009534]The strip clubs are survivable at that hour, assuming you arrive and leave by ride share app. In a pinch you can get the doormen to get you taxis but that can be risky.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3009539]Parque LLeras is just getting ramped up at 11:00 pm, not dangerous at all late at night, just don't be a drunken idiot and take a taxi, Uber or Indrive when you leave. When you say "downtown" I hope you don't mean El Centro because that is not a place for most people after dark.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Guerinto;3009600]I completely agree. I used to use Latin American and Colombian Cupid with great success, but the scammers have infiltrated those sites / apps too. [/QUOTE]I go all the way back to sites like [URL]Amigos.Com[/URL] and Badoo. These sites were goldmines in places like the DR and Colombia. Cupid was even good about 6 years ago.

All of these sites have now been taken over by scammers, hookers, semis, webcam models, Tranis, scope queens, chicas past their expiration dates and tricks so a lot of the regular people that they were designed for no longer use these sites in places like Medellin. When it became a popular strategy for sex tourists, a decent chica would get 6,000 messages in one day. More quality chicas have shifted to FB and IG, which allow for better screening and require a bit more effort for creeps and stalkers.

Perhaps in other cities it's different? Also, there are sites like mileroticos for guys looking for hookers so no need to flood dating sites.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3009643]I go all the way back to sites like [URL]Amigos.Com[/URL] and Badoo. These sites were goldmines in places like the DR and Colombia. Cupid was even good about 6 years ago.

All of these sites have now been taken over by scammers, hookers, semis, webcam models, Tranis, scope queens, chicas past their expiration dates and tricks so a lot of the regular people that they were designed for no longer use these sites in places like Medellin. When it became a popular strategy for sex tourists, a decent chica would get 6,000 messages in one day. More quality chicas have shifted to FB and IG, which allow for better screening and require a bit more effort for creeps and stalkers.

Perhaps in other cities it's different? Also, there are sites like mileroticos for guys looking for hookers so no need to flood dating sites.[/QUOTE]I find some irony in this whole discussion. The idea that dating sites are no longer just that, but have been taken over by hookers, etc. At the same time everyone on this board are looking for hookers, essentially. Some hope to find non hookers and essentially make them into hookers, but no one on this board is looking for real dating and certainly not relationships. In reality most here are mongers looking for short term sex, but not really interested in dating and finding a partner or even a real relationship, and pretending otherwise is deceptive. So no wonder the word gets out and these sites no longer work well for real dating or relationships.

[QUOTE=Guerinto;3009600]I completely agree. I used to use Latin American and Colombian Cupid with great success, but the scammers have infiltrated those sites / apps too. I'm not even a paying member and I am getting likes, favorited and messages daily on both sites despite logging on once a week or so.

So many obvious non-Latinas pretending to be in Colombia or in other central / South American countries and some use other countries in Europe, Asia, Africa or even USA as their home. Totally missed the Latina part of these sites. If I wanted Asian or African, there's International Cupid or other Asian based Cupid sites.

These scammers all have the same pattern. One picture, minimal information on their profile and won't do video calls (duh)!

So not worth the fee anymore. I find Bumble and Tinder better, but you have to pay for a subscription to use travel mode.[/QUOTE]Out with the old; in with the new. 100% agree with everything you said. I have been a paying member on Latin American Cupid for 20 years. I wrote them back in April complaining about the amount of scammers. They replied that it basically comes with the territory. So many ways they can screen them out, but they do not, so I will vote with my feet. My yearly membership expires tomorrow and I will not be renewing.

In addition to the ways you have written about how to detect the scammers, you can also tell by the setting in their pictures. The insides of houses do not look the same in the USA as they do in Colombia, as they do in Brazil, as they do in the Dominican Republic, and so on. If you have been to these places then you can tell right off the pictures are not the place their profile is claiming they are.

That being said, I met my newest girlfriend on Bumble. She just turned 23. I am 53. The first thing I said to her is that those pictures do not look like the Dominican Republic. She said they are not. She had taken them when she visited family in Texas. Turned out to be legit. I have since visited her at home in the Dominican Republic and last month she came to visit me at my house in the States for 10 days.

The lifetime Bumble membership only cost 2 years of what the Cupid membership did and it can be used worldwide. I have used it in various countries including Colombia, Brazil, Peru, Kenya, Tanzania, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Thailand, Korea, and Philippines to name a few.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;3009705]I find some irony in this whole discussion. The idea that dating sites are no longer just that, but have been taken over by hookers, etc. At the same time everyone on this board are looking for hookers, essentially. Some hope to find non hookers and essentially make them into hookers, but no one on this board is looking for real dating and certainly not relationships. In reality most here are mongers looking for short term sex, but not really interested in dating and finding a partner or even a real relationship, and pretending otherwise is deceptive. So no wonder the word gets out and these sites no longer work well for real dating or relationships.[/QUOTE]I agree. This whole website is basically guys looking for hookers and not guys looking for love and marriage or a long term girlfriend. To complain about dating sites being invaded by mongers and working girls is quite ironic for someone who is on this website. Thai Friendly in Pattaya is the same way as a great way for guys to find working girls and hookers.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3009643]I go all the way back to sites like [URL]Amigos.Com[/URL] and Badoo. These sites were goldmines in places like the DR and Colombia. Cupid was even good about 6 years ago.

All of these sites have now been taken over by scammers, hookers, semis, webcam models, Tranis, scope queens, chicas past their expiration dates and tricks so a lot of the regular people that they were designed for no longer use these sites in places like Medellin. When it became a popular strategy for sex tourists, a decent chica would get 6,000 messages in one day. More quality chicas have shifted to FB and IG, which allow for better screening and require a bit more effort for creeps and stalkers.

Perhaps in other cities it's different? Also, there are sites like mileroticos for guys looking for hookers so no need to flood dating sites.[/QUOTE]I should add that I do not target Medellin. I focus on other cities in Colombia and other South and Central American countries. I have spent 2 nights in Medellin wifed up with a VZ lady from Bogota and Medellin was not my cup of tea. Small sample size though, so I may give it another try when I am not wifed up. I enjoyed Guatape more.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3009711]Out with the old; in with the new. 100% agree with everything you said. I have been a paying member on Latin American Cupid for 20 years. I wrote them back in April complaining about the amount of scammers. They replied that it basically comes with the territory. So many ways they can screen them out, but they do not, so I will vote with my feet. My yearly membership expires tomorrow and I will not be renewing.

In addition to the ways you have written about how to detect the scammers, you can also tell by the setting in their pictures. The insides of houses do not look the same in the USA as they do in Colombia, as they do in Brazil, as they do in the Dominican Republic, and so on. If you have been to these places then you can tell right off the pictures are not the place their profile is claiming they are.

That being said, I met my newest girlfriend on Bumble. She just turned 23. I am 53. The first thing I said to her is that those pictures do not look like the Dominican Republic. She said they are not. She had taken them when she visited family in Texas. Turned out to be legit. I have since visited her at home in the Dominican Republic and last month she came to visit me at my house in the States for 10 days.

The lifetime Bumble membership only cost 2 years of what the Cupid membership did and it can be used worldwide. I have used it in various countries including Colombia, Brazil, Peru, Kenya, Tanzania, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Thailand, Korea, and Philippines to name a few.[/QUOTE]Agree wholeheartedly and good plan you have. There's so many scammer tells. Doubtful I will pay for Cupid anymore. There response is lazy, incompetent and inaccurate. They just can't be bothered to earn their subscription fees.

[QUOTE=Guerinto;3009759]I should add that I do not target Medellin. I focus on other cities in Colombia and other South and Central American countries. I have spent 2 nights in Medellin wifed up with a VZ lady from Bogota and Medellin was not my cup of tea. Small sample size though, so I may give it another try when I am not wifed up. I enjoyed Guatape more.[/QUOTE]Other cities are probably a better bet for those websites. Someone said they found a GF from one of the sites in another country and that sounds like a good move as well. I don't assume everyone on the this website has the same mindset, objective or MO.

As stated, for purely transactional exchanges in Medellin, there are websites dedicated to that specific purpose. You don't need a paid subscription to use them. Probably better for avoiding the scammers as well.

I am Malaysian I do not stand out in crowed when I go to El Centro, in MDE specially El Centro after 8 pm I had zero problems.

My to go places in El Centro are Playmates Bar after 7 pm, and during the day time around plaza Botaro.

Same Plaza Borato girls dolled up and go to Park and ask 400 K.

As long as you are inside the club / Establishment you are fine. Uber picks me up right infront of the club.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;3009514]All joking aside, the area around Botero gets increasingly sketchy after 8 PM and honestly, I wouldn't be wandering around at midnight, just a bad idea. No vendors are out, hardly any police, a handful of not usually the most attractive girls and a whole bunch of drug dealers, robbers, etc. I just wouldn't be out at midnight around there, but if you're an extreme risk taker, go for it and let us know how it is!!

As someone else noted, Lleras only *really* starts getting busy around 10 PM, is truly popping about 11:30 PM-Midnight, and if you already have an Airbnb near there, then I'd just stay in that area. Lleras and surrounding streets get FULL of girls by 2 AM when some of the bars / clubs start shutting down and if they haven't already had a client, and many haven't, then the window between 2-3 AM is usually an ideal time to grab a girl, negotiate a better price because she's about to take the taxi ride home with no client money in her purse, and have some fun. I've been out all night in Lleras area, no problems, lots of police around, lots of regular vendors / beer stands / etc. Are open, so you're much safer, but still keep your eyes open and don't get too drunk or high (if that's your thing), as it can easily lead you to some serious problems.

Enjoy and please report back![/QUOTE]

Hey gents, it's been about 3 to 3. 5 years since I was in Medellin and it seems a lot has happened since then. Does parque lleras still got plenty of skinny young Venecas loitering around? If so what's the current rate?

On my first trip I did Airbnb. Approached the girls on the street, took a cab to the apartment in Poblado, so very close, Didn't drink around the girls and pretty much kicked them out once finished. I never had any trouble. Should I expect any different this time around? I also had good luck with some gorgeous college girls I met on tinder.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3009729]I agree. This whole website is basically guys looking for hookers and not guys looking for love and marriage or a long term girlfriend. To complain about dating sites being invaded by mongers and working girls is quite ironic for someone who is on this website. Thai Friendly in Pattaya is the same way as a great way for guys to find working girls and hookers.[/QUOTE]Western laws made hookers safer and a better option than marriage and turned the vast majority of women into quasi hookers. Convince me I'm wrong.

[QUOTE=RedKing18;3009831]Western laws made hookers safer and a better option than marriage and turned the vast majority of women into quasi hookers. Convince me I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]The bottom line of the man woman relationship is the transfer of money from the man to the woman. The intricacies of how its done varies from one country to the other.

The old retired guys here seem very content. They take the precautions necessary not to be drugged and robbed and the ones that I have talked to have not had any issues so far. Because they are retied, they tend to visit for a few months at a time or live here now. They are all very sexually satisficed. Some have girlfriends now. Most have a stable of regular girls that they see and trust. They generally don't engage in the type of debates you see on this thread and don't really care what others pay. It is a very different experience for them because they have time and are in no rush.

You made a controversial statement about Botero girls in Lleras. I know it to be true but I'm also fascinated by the energy of of the disputes and denials. To be honest, I first became aware of it by watching youtube videos. I was surprised by how many of the girls I recognized. I've been to Lleras maybe five times in the past year. On the other, there are weeks when I'm in Botero Plaza three or four times. I respect the hustle. It makes perfect sense girls would risk the gauntlet of pimps, aggressively territorial venezolanas and police hassles for a chance to collect almost 10 times their normal fee.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;3009789]I am Malaysian I do not stand out in crowed when I go to El Centro, in MDE specially El Centro after 8 pm I had zero problems.

My to go places in El Centro are Playmates Bar after 7 pm, and during the day time around plaza Botaro.

Same Plaza Borato girls dolled up and go to Park and ask 400 K.

As long as you are inside the club / Establishment you are fine. Uber picks me up right infront of the club.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RedKing18;3009831]Western laws made hookers safer and a better option than marriage and turned the vast majority of women into quasi hookers. Convince me I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]You are wrong. The hookers have always been there. It is just that today they are not ashamed to advertise it openly, and certain websites and social media platforms allow them to. Because there are many, you are falsely assuming it is the vast majority, which it is not.

For those that live here or visit frequently, you quickly notice that a disproportionate number of the best looking girls come from Bello. We were in the park last night and as always sifting through the usual suspects when we came across a group of 4 girls that we had never seen before. Dressed nice but not too slutty, they just stood out from all the rest. We chatted them up and sure enough Bello girls. We invited them to go to La 70 with us where we bounced around to a few different places, dancing and and everyone having a good time. Luckily my buddy's airbnb is just off of la 70, so we all stumbled back to his place around 3:30, two girls fell asleep on the sofa, and my buddy and I paired up with the other 2. Waking up with this 21 year old hottie asleep next to me, priceless.

Is Lutron still open up in the mountain? I remember the legendary Line ups.

[QUOTE=MaxLee88;3010262]For those that live here or visit frequently, you quickly notice that a disproportionate number of the best looking girls come from Bello. [/QUOTE]Hard for me to say that because there are beautiful women all over Medellin. There are a lot of pretty girls that live in the various barrios in and around Medellin. Bello does have its share, no doubt. I know someone that has lived there for about 10 years and he loves it.

[QUOTE=MaxLee88;3010262]For those that live here or visit frequently, you quickly notice that a disproportionate number of the best looking girls come from Bello.......one having a good time. Luckily my buddy's airbnb is just off of la 70, so we all stumbled back to his place around 3:30, two girls fell asleep on the sofa, and my buddy and I paired up with the other 2. Waking up with this 21 year old hottie asleep next to me, priceless.
[/QUOTE]For what it's worth, many girls will say that so that they can demand a larger uber / taxi fee home or when they visit you in the future. Girls have been pulling that for the nearly 15 years I've been going to Medellin.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3009463]Do you really want to hang out in El Centro at that time of night?[/QUOTE]In hindsight, probably not the smartest, but when I used to go to Medellin more frequently (2014-2018), I would regularly go to Barra Ejecutiva and others in El Centro at 11/11:30 pm. The thing is that you want to do Uber door to door (don't take the taxis they offer as they'll try to overcharge). I'd also wear bland, dark clothes, no jewelry, and try to cover my arms (I'm very white LOL). If you do need to walk around, move fast, don't engage and cross the street if you need to.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3010469]In hindsight, probably not the smartest, but when I used to go to Medellin more frequently (2014-2018), I would regularly go to Barra Ejecutiva and others in El Centro at 11/11:30 pm. The thing is that you want to do Uber door to door (don't take the taxis they offer as they'll try to overcharge). I'd also wear bland, dark clothes, no jewelry, and try to cover my arms (I'm very white LOL). If you do need to walk around, move fast, don't engage and cross the street if you need to.[/QUOTE]When I was less risk-averse, I used to do the same! Even walked between Conejitas and Ejecutivo a few times around midnight. I had my head on a swivel and was ready to run at the slightest threat. But even then, stupid thing to do.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3010469]In hindsight, probably not the smartest, but when I used to go to Medellin more frequently (2014-2018), I would regularly go to Barra Ejecutiva and others in El Centro at 11/11:30 pm. The thing is that you want to do Uber door to door (don't take the taxis they offer as they'll try to overcharge). I'd also wear bland, dark clothes, no jewelry, and try to cover my arms (I'm very white LOL). If you do need to walk around, move fast, don't engage and cross the street if you need to.[/QUOTE]Good luck finding a driver crazy enough to take you!

This is one of two reasons I always order uber or didi on behalf of girls and never hand over cash or entertain conversations about fares. The other reason is the convenience of being able to track arrivals and departures, especially arrivals. You can never get the time back that you spend sitting, waiting, and wondering when or if a girl will show up. Guys who are on short trips should never piss any of it away doing that. It's so much better to have an ETA countdown available, along with an upfront cost. It's 2025, let's take advantage of what's available to us.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3010468]For what it's worth, many girls will say that so that they can demand a larger uber / taxi fee home or when they visit you in the future. Girls have been pulling that for the nearly 15 years I've been going to Medellin.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Combo;3010530]When I was less risk-averse, I used to do the same! Even walked between Conejitas and Ejecutivo a few times around midnight. .[/QUOTE]I had great times at those bars pre C19. Doesn't seem like they regained their mojo, but I haven't checked in about a year. I'll have to stop in when I'm in El Central and I remember.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3010642]This is one of two reasons I always order uber or didi on behalf of girls and never hand over cash or entertain conversations about fares. The other reason is the convenience of being able to track arrivals and departures, especially arrivals. You can never get the time back that you spend sitting, waiting, and wondering when or if a girl will show up. Guys who are on short trips should never piss any of it away doing that. It's so much better to have an ETA countdown available, along with an upfront cost. It's 2025, let's take advantage of what's available to us.[/QUOTE]I am not disagreeing with your method but if others are not using Uber or Didi and chica is coming to see you by taxi that you met on FB or are friends with on FB you can also have her share her location via FB messenger. They open messenger conversation with you and hit the + sign next to the chat box and menu pops up and "Location" is a choice they select then you can track them.

I learned this after I had been waiting for a chica for an hour who said she had already left and I texted her and she sent me a picture of her in the car. Problem is when she showed up (an hour and forty-five minutes late all together) she as wearing a red dress and the photo she sent me of her in the car she had on a yellow top??

I'm visiting Medellin in a couple of weeks and have booked a stay at Hotel Nutibara in El Centro, as I've heard great things about its proximity to Plaza Botero and Parque Berrío. My flight lands at 9 PM, and I expect to be out of the airport by around 11 PM after immigration.

Would it be safe at that hour to take the Airport-Nutibara bus to the final stop just right behind the Nutibara hotel and a 2-minute walk with my luggage or would you recommend taking an Uber directly to the hotel entrance instead?

Hey everyone, what's the best spots to eat in el Poblado by parque Lleras?

[QUOTE=JuneFly;3010987]I'm visiting Medellin in a couple of weeks and have booked a stay at Hotel Nutibara in El Centro, as I've heard great things about its proximity to Plaza Botero and Parque Berro. My flight lands at 9 PM, and I expect to be out of the airport by around 11 PM after immigration.

Would it be safe at that hour to take the Airport-Nutibara bus to the final stop just right behind the Nutibara hotel and a 2-minute walk with my luggage or would you recommend taking an Uber directly to the hotel entrance instead?[/QUOTE]I think you would be OK, but there is always the chance that something could jump off. Personally, I would take a cab, which only cost about $20 usd and will get you there quickly and safely.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3010990]I think you would be OK, but there is always the chance that something could jump off. Personally, I would take a cab, which only cost about $20 usd and will get you there quickly and safely.[/QUOTE]Thank you. I'm not concerned about the $20 cost of a cab, I was actually thinking that taking a public bus that drops me off right behind the hotel might be safer than riding alone in a taxi around midnight.

[QUOTE=JuneFly;3010994]Thank you. I'm not concerned about the $20 cost of a cab, I was actually thinking that taking a public bus that drops me off right behind the hotel might be safer than riding alone in a taxi around midnight.[/QUOTE]90% chance you would be OK in the bus. I haven't used the bus in about 10 years, but I assume it's still OK.

As far as safety with a cab, if you use Uber or Didi, you should be safe. The driver is registered with the app. You have to go upstairs to departures to use Uber. They don't come around arrivals because there are already airport white taxis on the arrivals floor that don't like the competition of Uber. When you arrive, there will be various people there trying to get you to ride with them. I would avoid those people. Use the bus or Uber instead.

You can also use one of the official white airport taxis and the prices should be posted and they are more expensive than Uber.

This is one of two reasons I always order uber or didi on behalf of girls and never hand over cash or entertain conversations about fares. The other reason is the convenience of being able to track arrivals and departures, especially arrivals. You can never get the time back that you spend sitting, waiting, and wondering when or if a girl will show up. Guys who are on short trips should never piss any of it away doing that. It's so much better to have an ETA countdown available, along with an upfront cost. It's 2025, let's take advantage of what's available to us.

Yes, I really like knowing exactly when they are going to arrive. The one time I didn't send an Uber for a girl she had a dude she was living with (not a BF) and trading favors (fucking for rent) arrived with her to my Airbnb. He wanted to see who she was fucking. As if that would make him feel better. It didn't. He mean mugged me while I opened the gate and let her whilst I smiled and waved to him.

[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3010989]Hey everyone, what's the best spots to eat in el Poblado by parque Lleras?[/QUOTE]There are hundreds of restaurants in Poblado, with many near parque Lleras. You may want to be a bit more specific about what kind of food you are looking for, and then I'm sure there will be some recommendations.

[QUOTE=JuneFly;3010987]I'm visiting Medellin in a couple of weeks and have booked a stay at Hotel Nutibara in El Centro, as I've heard great things about its proximity to Plaza Botero and Parque Berro. My flight lands at 9 PM, and I expect to be out of the airport by around 11 PM after immigration.

Would it be safe at that hour to take the Airport-Nutibara bus to the final stop just right behind the Nutibara hotel and a 2-minute walk with my luggage or would you recommend taking an Uber directly to the hotel entrance instead?[/QUOTE]It is safe, especially during the day. It is a very short walk because it is right behind the hotel, you walk in past the in-hotel restaurant if you don't feel comfortable going around.

[QUOTE=FlowState985;3011056]It is safe, especially during the day. It is a very short walk because it is right behind the hotel, you walk in past the in-hotel restaurant if you don't feel comfortable going around.[/QUOTE]I realized you said PM. I still think it is fine. The in-hotel restaurant might be closed thou so you might have walk around to the front desk. However, if you haven't been to the area at night and not familiar with it, I'd just go with uber / taxi option.

Totally depends on what you're looking for:

Brunch:

Cafe Noir. Super freaking expensive, seriously US prices, but great ambiance, pretty great French Toast, but honestly get the huevos revueltos con queso. Scrambled eggs and cheese, goddamn, so good!

Floretto. Also great french toast and just a nice little cafe, nice people, right on a corner. Great spot.

Cambria. Further away in the Manila area, but everything I've had there is good and that's saying something.

Lunch:

El Imperador right on Calle 10. Nice people, you can get a traditional Colombian lunch, with soup and a side of bread or whatever, probably $5-7 tops. Affordable, easy location, good food.

Mondongos. Also right on Calle 10. Decent traditional food, but overhyped a bit in my opinion.

Dinner:

La Matriarca southwest of Parque El Poblado. Traditional Colombian food, really good. My friend and I tried several things, all of it was good. Also they had live music every day we were there and it was a nice spot.

Costillas de Pedro. Right by Parque El Poblado. Their ribs are HUGE, super meaty and honestly I can barely choke down 2. So if you go, get the smallest rib order you can get, plus the fries. You're done.

El Correo Provenza. Great steak spot. I got a peppered steak there 2 or 3 trips ago, and have been completely jonesing to get again. But my fucking keeps getting in the way. Great place to take a "nicely dressed" chica on a date though, if you're interested in doing that.

El Teatro de Victoria. Surprisingly great food. Nothing we ate there was bad. The appetizers were stupid good, the main course was also stupid good. The owners of this place also own Yacky Chan and the other place directly across the street, so I'd expect the food from all 3 places to be good, but please eat at one of the other 2 and let us know!

Late night drunk eating:

Pollos Al Carbon on Calle 10, right next to El Imperador. Great rotisserie and fried chicken, roasted potatoes are also great, just a great spot for late night drunk eating, but since it's so good and cheap, I'd go there pretty much any time.

[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3010989]Hey everyone, what's the best spots to eat in el Poblado by parque Lleras?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FlowState985;3011057]I realized you said PM. I still think it is fine. The in-hotel restaurant might be closed thou so you might have walk around to the front desk. However, if you haven't been to the area at night and not familiar with it, I'd just go with uber / taxi option.[/QUOTE]Not sure if this is still on the menu, but some of the buses stopped at San Diego mall and you could split the price and safety difference that way.

What are everyone's latest favorite casas?

I have been avoiding casas for sometime after a mediocre experience in Purple Elixir? The operator was non responsive at the time of my session, lead me to waiting at a dark doorstep for 20 minutes.

Eventually a Venezuelan girl opened the door. She was okay, looks wise but really paranoid. Kept saying can't do this, can't do that. Totally killed it. Was horny enough to nut but that experience killed my casa urge.

Would like to get back and curious if people have favorites.

In the past, there have been some ridiculously well run casas. Disciplined, clean, great communication, but that seems to have died.

I have RTFF'ed about 121 pages, till about March 2024.

[QUOTE=MongerFriend;3011213]In the past, there have been some ridiculously well run casas. Disciplined, clean, great communication, but that seems to have died.[/QUOTE]Dunno what are the good ones currently, but what were the well run casas you mentioned? I'll go personally this week and report back jaja.

[QUOTE=MongerFriend;3011213]

In the past, there have been some ridiculously well run casas. Disciplined, clean, great communication, but that seems to have died.

.[/QUOTE]Pretty much after C19. Many closed. The vibe changed and the talent fell off.

[QUOTE=MongerFriend;3011213]What are everyone's latest favorite casas?

I have been avoiding casas for sometime after a mediocre experience in Purple Elixir? The operator was non responsive at the time of my session, lead me to waiting at a dark doorstep for 20 minutes.

Eventually a Venezuelan girl opened the door. She was okay, looks wise but really paranoid. Kept saying can't do this, can't do that. Totally killed it. Was horny enough to nut but that experience killed my casa urge.

Would like to get back and curious if people have favorites.

In the past, there have been some ridiculously well run casas. Disciplined, clean, great communication, but that seems to have died.

I have RTFF'ed about 121 pages, till about March 2024.[/QUOTE]Casa is always hit and miss, but they are cheap and quick option, daytime activity. That's why you go around to a few casas in centro and pick one you like. I haven't been back for like 2 years but going back to Medellin in a couple of weeks to check out the scene again and see how it is now.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3011225]Pretty much after C19. Many closed. The vibe changed and the talent fell off.[/QUOTE]I don't remember the nice ones I used to like. This was pre pandemic. The names were standard spa names, like Lotus or Tantra or something.

There were 2 really good ones. One in Centro and one in Laureles. The centro was a little seedier than Luareles. But both had 15-25 girls. And they were ALWAYS a few great ones. Prices were about $40 for an hour.

Right now, Ella's Eroticas looks promising. They have 2 locations now. If you go, please report.

[QUOTE=MongerFriend;3011310]I don't remember the nice ones I used to like. This was pre pandemic. The names were standard spa names, like Lotus or Tantra or something.

There were 2 really good ones. One in Centro and one in Laureles. The centro was a little seedier than Luareles. But both had 15-25 girls. And they were ALWAYS a few great ones. Prices were about $40 for an hour.

Right now, Ella's Eroticas looks promising. They have 2 locations now. If you go, please report.[/QUOTE]Before C19, if you were around Parque Bolivar, you couldn't walk 2 blocks without being handed a card for a casa. You could walk around and easily leave El Centro with 6 cards to different casas. Then there were many that you happened upon accidentally or someone was standing near one and would verbally tell you there were girls at that location. Those days are done, for the most part in El Centro. There are still a few casas, but I think a lot of the girls have found more profitable ways to make money after the post C19 gringo invasion in Medellin. The casas in Laureles might still be OK, but my experience was that they were a bit more expensive and not as crazy as El Centro.

[QUOTE=MongerFriend;3011310]I don't remember the nice ones I used to like. There were 2 really good ones. One in Centro and one in Laureles. The centro was a little seedier than Luareles. But both had 15-25 girls. And they were ALWAYS a few great ones. Prices were about $40 for an hour.[/QUOTE]I think the only ones that normally had that many chicas were New Life in Centro and Energy Spa in Laureles. Pre-Covid, I think New Life was 60 mil COP for an hour, and Energy was about 150 mil.

Today in the morning, the roster of New Life was disappointing, but ten days ago it was very interesting.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3011399]I think the only ones that normally had that many chicas were New Life in Centro and Energy Spa in Laureles. Pre-Covid, I think New Life was 60 mil COP for an hour, and Energy was about 150 mil.[/QUOTE]You could be right. These do sound familiar. That said, I don't believe I have seen much references to these on this forum in a while.

Are these still good?

How do I connect with them? I don’t see a website for New Life.

[QUOTE=MongerFriend;3011427]You could be right. These do sound familiar. That said, I don't believe I have seen much references to these on this forum in a while.

Are these still good?

How do I connect with them? I dont see a website for New Life.[/QUOTE]Both are still open. I haven't been to either in a while. The last time I was at New Life, they had a lot of big chicas. I've read that many of the customers are gringos who most respectful people wouldn't be hanging around with. Energy has a website ([URL]chicasenergy.com[/URL]), but I don't think New Life does. It's difficult to find anything about New Life on the internet. The address of New Life is CL 56 #43-39.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3011431]The last time I was at New Life, they had a lot of big chicas. I've read that many of the customers are gringos who most respectful people wouldn't be hanging around with.[/QUOTE]Yeah well hanging around in a horehouse and respectability do not exactly go hand in hand. So who is really out of place? It is a horehouse, not a library or a church. Most respectful people probably would not want to be hanging around with the customers of a crack house either.

I'll be in Medellin from July 13–18, staying at the Nutibara Hotel in Centro. If anyone visiting and up for checking out Plaza Botero and Casas in the area during the daytime, send me a message.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3011504]Yeah well hanging around in a horehouse and respectability do not exactly go hand in hand. So who is really out of place? It is a horehouse, not a library or a church. Most respectful people probably would not want to be hanging around with the customers of a crack house either.[/QUOTE]Crack is an illegal substance. Prostitution is legal in Colombia. Many professional and respectful people partake of the services of prostitutes. It's a false comparison between crack and prostitution, but probably no one expects anything logical from you.

Any recommendation for hourly hotel in Poblado?

[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3010989]Hey everyone, what's the best spots to eat in el Poblado by parque Lleras?[/QUOTE]The chicken place on calle 10. The one closer to subway.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3011431]Both are still open. I haven't been to either in a while. The last time I was at New Life, they had a lot of big chicas. I've read that many of the customers are gringos who most respectful people wouldn't be hanging around with. Energy has a website ([URL]chicasenergy.com[/URL]), but I don't think New Life does. It's difficult to find anything about New Life on the internet. The address of New Life is CL 56 #43-39.[/QUOTE]NL increased their prices from 75 mil for half an hour. Girls are not pretty anymore as they used to be. Everything is extra, starting 50 m. Lately this place is disappointing.

Mamasan is arrogant and aggressive as well for the tips.

[QUOTE=ElPostino;3011723]NL increased their prices from 75 mil for half an hour. Girls are not pretty anymore as they used to be. Everything is extra, starting 50 m. Lately this place is disappointing.

Mamasan is arrogant and aggressive as well for the tips.[/QUOTE]NL was my spot about 12 years ago. Even before that I knew dudes that would practically live in there and a few met their GFs there. Back then, I think you could meet a lot more part timers and students trying to make a quick peso. I remember when taking pics wasn't a big deal and a few guys from this site DMed me because I used to post pics of babes with nutt all over them. Those were good times. Haven't been to NL in about 4 years, but when I saw it popping up in all the forums, I knew the writing was on the wall. 4 years ago I noticed it becoming a lot more business like. For those that got to experience things like the 2 4 1 specials in the casas back in the day, you got to count your blessings.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3011772]NL was my spot about 12 years ago. Even before that I knew dudes that would practically live in there and a few met their GFs there. Back then, I think you could meet a lot more part timers and students trying to make a quick pesohat got to experience things like the 2 4 1 specials in the casas back in the day, you got to ...[/QUOTE]Many moons ago, Robert (from the Mansion days) and I went for an exploration mission in el Centro. Way before the Map, lol.

A cop we bumped into actually pointed us to a new place that had just opened.

It was called New Life.

Imagine back when being a gringo was something new and exciting for the girls.

I haven't been back in a while tho. I know it serves some guys well, but not my thing anymore since the invasion, even before Covid.

Such is the lot of us casa customers. They have always been hit or miss. It is the nature of the beast and something they all have in common. Something that sets New Life apart in recent years however is its place as the #1 most popular casa among gringos. None that I've visited (and I have been to more than a few) come even slightly close. We regularly see "I'm coming to town, show me around and beers are on me" posts. New Life is the place I reckon it is easy to find wing men.

[QUOTE=TravelSpirit;3011400]Today in the morning, the roster of New Life was disappointing, but ten days ago it was very interesting.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Balboa;3011777]Many moons ago, Robert (from the Mansion days) and I went for an exploration mission in el Centro. Way before the Map, lol.

A cop we bumped into actually pointed us to a new place that had just opened.

It was called New Life.

Imagine back when being a gringo was something new and exciting for the girls.

I haven't been back in a while tho. I know it serves some guys well, but not my thing anymore since the invasion, even before Covid.[/QUOTE]That's a great story. Yeah, I saw a really cute spinner at the gym the other day with a young white guy, couldn't tell if he was from North America or maybe Europe, anyway, I was thinking to myself that back in the day you would have found a pretty slim chica like that in a casa in El Centro. This chica would probably be a 10 to some, flawless skin and trigueña completion. Yeah, you definately don't get that novelty gringo anymore in Medellin. You're talking about in the days when there was still fear about getting kidnapped or robbed coming down from the airport before you reached the city.

Greetings all,

I am ready to go back to Medellin, I haven't been back since before the pandemic, I will arrive on October the 28th, just before Halloween.

I wanted to ask you all, what do you recomend to do on Halloween? I know that Colombians really like to party on Halloween, is there any activities that you recomend to do on Halloween?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3011772]NL was my spot about 12 years ago........[/QUOTE]It would have been about 9 years ago I met this chick in NL, I'm hoping she was 18 (she looked younger). She told me she was from Poblado. She was so tight I could not enter beyond the head of my penis no matter how much I tried all lubed up. I had to give up without release.

Circa 2010 I met, in NL, one of the hottest (if not the hottest) chica I ever banged. It is to this day one of my greatest regrets that I did not take her contact as she was never to be seen again.

My short trip report from last month in Medellin.

First night I went to Fase Dos. There must have been about 20 ladies to choose from, all types.

I found a lady, completely my type (petite and wide hips).

She was amazing and treated me wonderfully.

The rooms here are five star. Mirrors on the ceiling.

Next day I went to New Life. Not my kind of place for the girls. I waited 45 mins and left.

Next day I went to Energy Spa. Totally also my place.

I connected with a lady and the following day I was back and connected with another lady.

The next night I went to La Isla.

It seemed fancier than Fase Dos but at 600 K while Fase Dos was 440 K.

Girls didn't seem as nice though.

Some friends took ladies into the rooms.

They said Fase Dos rooms are much nicer.

I didn't do anything at La Isla, don't think I'll be back.

It seemed more pretentious.

I also passed by Parque Lleras.

It was pouring rain and still lots of girls and the girls did seem very pretty.

I didn't take any action as I didn't want to take anyone back home.

So that's my report. Fase Dos and Energy Spa were my favorites.

Next time I do want to visit Loutron and Purple Elixir.

If anyone has any recent reports from either of these please share.

I'm giving back after reading lots of reports from you guys.

I hope you found this report helpful.

Saludos.

There are some cute girls hanging in doorways in Centro but I'm scared to go up the stairs with any of them I was thinking about booking a room for a few days at Nutibara Hotel and inviting them to come to my hotel where there will not be thugs waiting to rob me. Any thoughts on this plan? Will the hotel let them in? Will some of the girls come if I agree to pay more? I've been offered 80 for 30 min – was considering offering 150 for one hour.

[QUOTE=GreenToad;3011934]There are some cute girls hanging in doorways in Centro but I'm scared to go up the stairs with any of them I was thinking about booking a room for a few days at Nutibara Hotel and inviting them to come to my hotel where there will not be thugs waiting to rob me. Any thoughts on this plan? Will the hotel let them in? Will some of the girls come if I agree to pay more? I've been offered 80 for 30 min was considering offering 150 for one hour.[/QUOTE]On past trips, I've used the short-term hotels the girls had access to without issues. I never felt unsafe as the place is very crowded and police checking ids during the daytime, my main concern was more about cleanliness, crampy, and felt rushed. The Centro girls can be a hit or miss; but you can also find a gem there, and if you do, taking them to Nutibara is a better choice, that's exactly what I intend to do during my next trip there in two weeks.

[QUOTE=GreenToad;3011934]There are some cute girls hanging in doorways in Centro but I'm scared to go up the stairs with any of them I was thinking about booking a room for a few days at Nutibara Hotel and inviting them to come to my hotel where there will not be thugs waiting to rob me. Any thoughts on this plan? Will the hotel let them in? Will some of the girls come if I agree to pay more? I've been offered 80 for 30 min was considering offering 150 for one hour.[/QUOTE]I never had a problem a problem going arriba with a chica in Centro. I've stay in Nutibara before and only let chicas in during the day at no charge. In reference to paying a Street Girl 150 K, I would rather go to New Life which is only a short walk away and pick a chica there. I feel that it will be better service at a better rate. Less than 150 K / HR.

[QUOTE=GreenToad;3011934]There are some cute girls hanging in doorways in Centro but I'm scared to go up the stairs with any of them [/QUOTE]Why are you scared to go upstairs with them? I have never seen anything scary in those rooms.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3011924]It would have been about 9 years ago I met this chick in NL, I'm hoping she was 18 (she looked younger). She told me she was from Poblado. She was so tight I could not enter beyond the head of my penis no matter how much I tried all lubed up. I had to give up without release.

Circa 2010 I met, in NL, one of the hottest (if not the hottest) chica I ever banged. It is to this day one of my greatest regrets that I did not take her contact as she was never to be seen again.[/QUOTE]I can relate. I had some joints that you can't even find anymore. Ones that took nutt in their mouth and took whatever you gave as a propina. Or ones that had you shaking your head like WTF is this sex goddess doing here taking pipe for $13 USD. If I knew things would be like they are now, I would have gotten everyone's number for sure. Life moves on.

Medellin. June 2024.

Night #1 - Tuesday night. Rained buckets through about midnight - 1 AM.

Went to Lleras Town to get some food, scope out the girls waiting out the rain under the little kiosks near the park, invited one up, bought her some fries and a drink, seriously thought about banging her, but she wanted $500 k and wouldn't budge. I thanked her for her time and went downstairs after the rain stopped just around 1 AM.

Chica 1 - Esmeralda or Esperanza, I think, not sure - $200 k. All raw fucking.

Finally checked into my "chica Airbnb" - a tiny unit specifically to take chicas to from LLeras around 1 AM, after I'the forgotten to earlier, and upon exiting the unit saw a pretty girl in a sparkly white dress directly across the street. Bright red lipstick and bangs, I waved her over. She crosses the street and we exchange pleasantries. She said she'the had a terrible night due to the rain and was about to catch a cab home. I told her, no worries, why don't we fix that, but here's the story. I only want raw sex and I want at least an hour and only $200 k pesos. She immediately agrees, we turn around, head upstairs, she takes a quick rinse down shower, comes out and immediately lowers herself onto my erect cock. We go through various positions and she's enthusiastic and generally a good sex talker, which I enjoy. After 15 or so minutes he keeps saying she's thirsty and wants to go get a beer, I keep telling her, "ahorita, ahorita", and finally after 30-35 minutes I'm also thirsty and give in to going for a beer. She gets dressed, I give her the $200 k and we walk back down to Lleras to get a beer and her a Smirnoff at the corner place Licorexpress Food & Drink, just 2 doors downhill from Gusto. We drink about half our drinks and she says, "Hey, I'm going to get some chicle from this vendor, I'll be right back. " I say ok, watch her yell to the vendor and she goes to get her gum. I see them chit-chat, the woman gives her the gum, my girl gives her a couple of pesos and next thing I know - "poof" she's gone. Never came back for her Smirnoff, never saw her again over the next 4 nights. Never got her WhatsApp, so I couldn't message her to ask WTF? Weird, but ok. On to the next.

Pay for our drinks and go for a walk to scope the talent at now basically 2 AM.

Chica 2 - no name, never got one - $200 k. All raw fucking.

Weirdly, lots of girls still out at this point, I spot another one in a white dress, but this time, longer brownish blonde hair, cute smile and I make my pitch, same thing. Raw fucking, $200 k at least an hour. She says she's down, we walk the 2 blocks to the apartment over the motorcycle shop on 10 A and the sex was great. She's nicely wet, stays wet, and is an excellent soft moaner. Now about 45 minutes in, she kinda realizes she's been letting me pound her with no condom and just decides that she's done. Uh, ok. All good. She starts getting dressed, then grabs my hand and has me finger bang her from behind, still wet as fuck. I'm like, why don't we keep going and she says, "No, I have to go". Then I keep tongue kissing her, fingering her, and she's still just completely wet. Finally just just pulls her dress up and walks out. I follow her out to the street and she gives me a quick kiss and is gone. Another one I never saw again over the next 3-4 nights in MDE.

Ok, that's odd. Never had 2 girls vanish in an entire trip, much less on the same night!

Because it's night 1, I'm awake and horny and would like to bust a nut, I decide to give one more shot to see what's out on Calle 10 now that the cops have decided to use their stupid siren and clear everyone out of Lleras, so the only place left is 10.

Chica 3 - Marilyn, I think - $350 k including $50 k for taxi. All raw fucking - 2 nuts busted inside.

This girl was standing on Calle 10 in front of one of the corner Farmacias, tight white one piece, hair wrap, and slightly older than the other 2, probably 29-30 vs. 23-25 for the first 2. She's also got a very small cesarean scar from her kid, nothing terrible and I didn't mind it at all.

Gave her my pitch, she agrees, says she'll stay all night for $300 k. I say, yeah, that's a deal. Head back to the moto apartment, we both take a quick shower, and we got to town. This girl loves to be pounded too. 3rd fairly enthusiastic one of the night, but this one also likes to take breaks from fucking and give me a nice deep throat, gagging and all. Excellent stuff. Finally she says, "Look, pound me from behind and give me la lethe adentro". Jesus, alright. You don't have to tell me twice. She's got a spectacular ass and I'm just ramming her pussy "en cuatro" she's moaning like crazy, reaching around behind her to pull me harder, and I finally bust a nut inside her. It was very nice. We rest for a bit, take a quick shower and she says, "vamos a dormir". Alright! We sleep from probably 4-8 AM, give or take. And I wake up, with a hard on of course. She just giggles, strokes it nicely and I play with her pussy. This time I hit her from the side a little, while fingering her clit, and she's groping her very nice tits, pulling on her nipples. We're making out a bit, kinda difficult from that angle, but all good. She starts pulling me harder into her and I bust nut number 2 inside her! Such a nice experience, really enjoyable! We are both out of breath, panting, so we take a short nap on the bed and wake up a little after 9:30 or so. She showers again, I wash up, and we head downstairs. I walk with her to the bottom of the hill by Carulla where she flags a cab, I give her a $50 k note for it, and off she goes. Got her WhatsApp because she said if I let her come back that night, she'the only charge me $300 k and then we could spend each of the next 3 nights together, same activities, no additional cost.

Yeah, but I just don't repeat, I told her. Maybe, I'll send a message. Did not repeat with her, but for a 33 year old with a kid, her body was SMOKING, with nice big pointy nipples, firm tummy, nice ass, worth a repeat probably.

So night 1 in the books, fucked 3 girls, all without a condom, busted 2 nuts inside #3 and it was spectacular. Went back to my "sleeping Airbnb", the nice one southwest of La Matriarca in a beautiful new building, took a short nap till about 11:30 AM and went to breakfast / lunch with my friend.

Day / Night #2 - Wednesday daytime. Went for a great meal at Amassita, again, this time a few pastries with meat inside them (there's a joke there, I think) and then the beautiful blackberry cheesecake on a crust of crumbled Oreo! Stupendous.

Was really not feeling that great due to too many Coronas the night before, which I went with because I didn't want to feel badly from drinking too much rum and coke! So much for that plan. Anyway, had a nice dinner later at La Matriarca in Astorga area of El Poblado, got a combo dinner of steak and chicken breast, the little roasted potatoes were fantastic. Meat was a bit cooler than I'the have preferred, but the flavor was top flight.

Took a nap before dinner, so I was ready to go later. Went to Lleras Town again, my buddy brought his big speaker, set it up and was playing his reggaeton music, got the girls and promoter girls shaking their asses, it was great.

After about an hour of drinking and watching the girls, I saw one come by that I recognized from my April trip, the one I'the done a trio with her and her friend. This time she's with a different friend and I can already tell by the dirty twinkle in her eye, she's thinking of a repeat and hell yes, so am I!! Especially if her cute skinny Venezuelan friend is going to be as freaky as she is!! We buy them drinks and food, the dirty one asks if she can get some money to run down the street and buy Tussi, I tell her sure, give her $100 k note, she comes back with her little baggie and gives me $30 k in change. She even took a taxi to go get it. At that point, her friend goes and buys some wet wipes, comes back, we all get some Coronas as well and head to my "fuck Airbnb" above the motorcycle shop on Calle 10 A and then the negotiations begin. The friend is like "BARE? Are you sure, are you clean, etc. ? I show her my test results, her friend says, Yeah, I fuck him raw and it's fine, let's do it marica. So the friend says yes after 2-3 minutes of discussion, they both take a hit or 3 of Tussi, and we're off and running. 3+ hours of me fucking the dark skinny one raw for 15 or so minutes, then 15 minutes with the skinny white skinned Vennie, then back and forth and back and forth till almost 3:30 AM. At that point, the darker skinned one says, "dame la leche adentro!" I'm ready and so I give her a good load. Another busted nut inside a cute Colombiana. Life cannot get better!! $500 k each for the 3+ hours. All good by me. Repeated with both of them on Friday evening late for only $300 k each for a slightly less amount of time.

Wednesday night, SUPER solid.

Thursday day and night. Was going to be a big fat 0, but ended up with Janet? At 5 AM or so.

Was out late eating with my friends, having some food, enjoying ourselves. We were all dead tired from the prior night, so we took a nap and then we hit Lleras to walk around, had some snacks, some drinks, and just couldn't make up our minds on which, if any, girls to take back. After sleeping really late, and wandering around late, my friends ran into some chicas that wanted to get some chicken from the Pollos Al Carbon on Calle 10 at probably 4 AM. While inside, an older afro-Colombiana says, "soooo. My first name. Come and talk to me". I was like, How the hell does she know my name? Apparently she was listening to me talking with my friends earlier in the evening and made a note of my first name. Crazy.

Anyway, her body is FUCKING STUPID hot, like seriously what a BBL would be, but natural. Her ass was incredible. She asks if she can come home with me, it's about 5:45 AM at this point, and I'm like, yeah, I have to see what her ass is like outside of those pants. It feels like pure perfection and I just have to know. She comes over, helps herself to the bag of chips that our hosts left out for us, and then goes and takes a quick shower. Gets in the bed and I join her. We make out for a while, then she gets on top and starts grinding her pussy on top of my bare dick. After a few minutes she is just soaking wet, a true slip and slide, and so I tell her, just put it in. She's like, "NOOOOO", but then does it anyway. Another raw fuck, I love it. Goddamn, life is good. We go through several positions, but she, like my little stripper friends here in my home town, likes lying flat on the bed, face down, legs together, with me on top of her pounding away at her wet ass pussy, to quote the song. A variation though was that she started squeezing her butt cheeks together, which gave me tremendous friction on the sides of my dick, as well as all other sides, so yeah, didn't last very long like that. I tell her I'm about to bust inside her, and she says, "Dale pues", do it then. Ok, done. Another nut busted inside a pretty colombiana. Jesus, this trip just continues to be spectacular. We fall asleep till about 10 AM, when we do a repeat performance and another nut busted inside. At this point, she asks if she can stay all day, but I tell her no, I really need to sleep and then my friends and I have plans for later in the day. So she showers, blow dries her hair and I put her into an Uber home for $40 k. Gave her $330 k as that was literally the last of my cash and she was happy with that. She's since been WhatsApp messaging me that she wants to be my girlfriend when I move there because she really likes my dick. How cute! Unlikely, however!

Friday night. GREAT.

Ate at Teatro Victoria in Provenza, seriously everything was great. Then ran into a girl I was with 2 times on the last trip in April, she was feigning being angry that I hadn't WhatsApp messaged her to let her know I was coming back. Bought her and her 2 friends a couple of drinks and an appetizer, then took Karol to my apartment for a quickie, since she had to get back to her mom's to pick up her boy by midnight. Great session, all covered sadly, but told her I was looking forward to busting a nut in her soon! She said, "Maybe, maybe, I like that idea!

Finished, put her in an Uber to her mom's place, then headed back to Lleras Town, where of course, my 2 sluts from Wednesday showed back up, both giving me all the slutty signals that they were up for a repeat of the prior session, which of course so was I! Had a few other options that were available, but with a sure thing, I stuck with that decision. One of my friends said I had the "ratchet" girls on me! True, true.

Stayed out drinking, giving tequila shots to everyone and anyone who walked by, girls, promoters, nearby location waiters, vendors, seriously anyone and everyone, it was hilarious how many people we got fucked up that night. About 2 AM took the 2 back to my second "fuck Airbnb", next door to Domino's Pizza on 10, strictly a cheap place to take girls nearby Lleras only to fuck. Another 2+ hour session of raw fucking, with a giant nut busted in the dark skinned one, just like the last time. Only gave them $300 k each this time, since it wasn't as long and since I bought them food, wet wipes and a 6 pack of Coronas.

As I'm leaving the fuck place, I run into Luisa at 6 AM. I tell her, look, you're super cute, have a smoking body and I'm sorry you haven't had any customers tonight (unlikely, but possible as there's SO MUCH COMPETITION in terms of numbers of girls and far fewer numbers of guys), and I just nutted, so I probably couldn't get anything good out of it. She's like, "Come on, let me try to get you hard and see what you can do!" I tell her, look, I only have $200 k pesos, like seriously zero more. She says, fine, vamos.

She gave it her best effort, but after 30 minutes of fucking, I could not nut, so she said she wanted to sit on my face. I said, let me smell it and we'll see. Smelled like sweet candy. Sure thing, let's go. Ate her out for probably 15 minutes till she starts shaking like crazy, I thought she was acting, which was fine, I was dead tired and just wanted to be done. While she tried to get control over herself on the bed, I get up and go to the bathroom at which point I see a giant "girl nut" hanging from my beard. Seriously it was HUGE. I thought, OK, maybe she wasn't faking it. Come back out and she's still on the bed quivering. She says she feels like she should pay me. I held my hand out and said, "Dale pues!" We both laughed, went back to Calle 10 and I walked home to sleep.

Saturday night we were hoping for a repeat, but my friend got an offer to go dancing with one of the promoter girls in Laureles and it rained buckets, so our other friend and I sat out for a bit, after which Karol from the prior night showed up and said, "Hey, my mom is watching my kid all night, I can stay with you till the morning!" Awesome. We finish our food, had a few drinks, then headed back to my place. She showers, goddamn, what a pretty naked ass while she's bent over the sink brushing her teeth! She comes back to the bed, and does what the pretty black one did early Thursday AM. Starts grinding her pussy on my bare dick, pausing every now and then to open her lips a bit more. After a few minutes, she was gushing on my dick and begging me to put the condom on. I said, No, remember last night, you said, "maybe" on the leche adentro. She's like, "noooooo, please, I just want your dick NOW!" I didn't even reply, just flexed it up a little aimed it right at her pussy and it popped right in. She's moaning like crazy, pussy juice all over my dick and groin, finally shaking and saying, "me vengo, me vengo" and then I say, "yo tambien". Siiiiiii, she says and bam, another nut busted inside another colombiana. At this point we got to cleanup in the bathroom and she shows me her birth control in her arm. I tell her between that and my vasectomy, we're good. She says, we'll see in 9 months! And laughs that if she ends up pregnant, we'll name the baby Milagro (miracle) or Jesus. Super funny. We snuggle in bed and sleep till almost 8 AM, which was a fine end to an excellent trip. I get up, pack, while she lazed in bed, then she accompanies me downstairs, I send her on her way and I catch my ride to the airport.

All in all, another crazy excellent trip to Medellin. Honestly can't wait to get back again!!

I haven't been to Medellin in a couple of years, but during my last visit, I went to a few places. Mostly casas. I can't recall their names of first two, but remember the locations in Belen.

1. Dg. 75 C #32 E-3.

2. Av. 33 #65 B-1.

3. New Life.

4. Energy Spa.

5. Zandaly.

I think New Life, Energy, Zandaly still exist, but what about the first two casas, and any new ones? Any recent intel on casas would be greatly appreciated!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3011949]Why are you scared to go upstairs with them? I have never seen anything scary in those rooms.[/QUOTE]Thank you. I'm referencing the girls hanging out in front of the stair cases in Centro. I've seen every kind of girl you can imagine. Fat girls, skinny girls, black girls, white girls, young girls (some seem too young), girls with no teeth, girls with no hair. Can you please give me a brief description of what to expect if I go upstairs with one of them? Thanks!

[QUOTE=GreenToad;3011958]Thank you. I'm referencing the girls hanging out in front of the stair cases in Centro. I've seen every kind of girl you can imagine. Fat girls, skinny girls, black girls, white girls, young girls (some seem too young), girls with no teeth, girls with no hair. Can you please give me a brief description of what to expect if I go upstairs with one of them? Thanks![/QUOTE]Downstairs you agree to what you are going to do sexually & how much you are going to pay them.

Upstairs you fuck them, then you pay them!

[QUOTE=GreenToad;3011958] Can you please give me a brief description of what to expect if I go upstairs with one of them? [/QUOTE]You're kidding right? Do you read this forum any?

Hi,

First time to Colombia and previously visited Tijuana and Costa Rica. I've been on the Mileroticas website and the girls there all state they have an apartment of their own to enjoy time with them. Is it safe to go to their place or better to have them come to the hotel? I booked the Haven based on some earlier suggestions. Anything to watch out for staying there. Anything else you think I need to be careful of would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=GreenToad;3011958]Thank you. I'm referencing the girls hanging out in front of the stair cases in Centro. I've seen every kind of girl you can imagine. Fat girls, skinny girls, black girls, white girls, young girls (some seem too young), girls with no teeth, girls with no hair. Can you please give me a brief description of what to expect if I go upstairs with one of them? Thanks![/QUOTE]You can expect to pay them to fuck in the room. What do you assume is there? Seems you are new to fucking hookers, because hookers hanging by the room they will take you in to fuck has been happening all over the world since the beginning of time. Are you expecting a monster or something to be up there?

Hi all,

First time to Colombia and had a few of quick questions. Haven't seen any answers from the numerous pages I've viewed. I was looking at contacting escorts from Mileroticas and I noticed most state they have a private apartment that I can come to. Is it safe to go to their place or have them come to the hotel? It appears them coming to the hotel is priced higher excluding any taxi fares. I am staying at the Haven Hotel per recommendations I read here. Anything I need to be aware of staying here? Also, couple of additional questions:

What is a good tip amount (How much should I agree for taxi fares? (Ball park).

Sorry looked for a wiki but didn't see any for these questions.

Thanks in advance for any recommendations and suggestions.

Nomars777;3011954]Medellin. June 2024.

Brother Nomars, well done my friend, and thank you for the Penthouse forum worthy detailed trip report! This is what the forum used to be more like pre-Covid, with field reports, not the dumb useless clutter chatter about stupid shit that we have to filter through and endure now. Really enjoyed reading your successes and how to do Medellin right. Next time you are back in town shoot me a DM.

[QUOTE=Ftcr1;3012063]I was looking at contacting escorts from Mileroticas and I noticed most state they have a private apartment that I can come to. Is it safe to go to their place or have them come to the hotel?

What is a good tip amount (How much should I agree for taxi fares? (Ball park).[/QUOTE]The first question has been answered a few times in these forums. As a general rule, it is safe to go to the ladies' apartments. If the address is in Laureles, Belen, Poblado, or Envigado, their apartment should be safe. I wouldn't go to an apartment in Centro or up on the mountainsides from Centro. Poblado and Engigado are on a mountainside, but not close to Centro. I also wouldn't go to Bello.

Be cautious with taxis you hail from the street, especially at night around Parque Lleras. Some drivers will try to cheat you. Make sure they turn the meter on. The meter starts around 6,000. Your best bet is to use an app to summon a ride, either Uber, DiDi, or Cabify. You will see the price before you order the ride. Cabify gives you a price range, the others give you an exact price. Most of the time, I round up to the next 1 or 2,000. Ex. : if it's between 8,000 and 10,000, I'll give them 10 or 11,000. If traffic is heavy and there's a lot of time waiting in traffic, I'll give the driver more. The tip always depends on the courtesy of the driver.

[QUOTE=Ftcr1;3012063]I was looking at contacting escorts from Mileroticas and I noticed most state they have a private apartment that I can come to. Is it safe to go to their place or have them come to the hotel?[/QUOTE]When you deal with hookers advertising on a website, there is incall and outcall. Incall is when you go to them. It is usually cheaper because they do not need transportation going to and from. Outcall is when they go to where you tell them you will fuck them. There is nothing unsafe or strange or rare about incall. As a matter of fact, I think I call is more safe than outcall. You hear about guys being drugged when they brought the hooker to where they are staying. You never hear about a guy being drugged when he went to fuck the hooker at her place.

I also like incall because you get to venture around instead of just staying in the same place. For instance yesterday I went for an incall on the other side of town here in Barranquilla. When I finished fucking, I walked around that neighborhood to explore and found some damn good Chinese food.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3012172]The first question has been answered a few times in these forums. As a general rule, it is safe to go to the ladies' apartments. If the address is in Laureles, Belen, Poblado, or Envigado, their apartment should be safe. I wouldn't go to an apartment in Centro or up on the mountainsides from Centro. Poblado and Engigado are on a mountainside, but not close to Centro. I also wouldn't go to Bello.

Be cautious with taxis you hail from the street, especially at night around Parque Lleras. Some drivers will try to cheat you. Make sure they turn the meter on. The meter starts around 6,000. Your best bet is to use an app to summon a ride, either Uber, DiDi, or Cabify. You will see the price before you order the ride. Cabify gives you a price range, the others give you an exact price. Most of the time, I round up to the next 1 or 2,000. Ex. : if it's between 8,000 and 10,000, I'll give them 10 or 11,000. If traffic is heavy and there's a lot of time waiting in traffic, I'll give the driver more. The tip always depends on the courtesy of the driver.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response. It is much appreciated! What is the typical tip you would give either an escort or casa gal?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3012216]When you deal with hookers advertising on a website, there is incall and outcall. Incall is when you go to them. It is usually cheaper because they do not need transportation going to and from. Outcall is when they go to where you tell them you will fuck them. There is nothing unsafe or strange or rare about incall. As a matter of fact, I think I call is more safe than outcall. You hear about guys being drugged when they brought the hooker to where they are staying. You never hear about a guy being drugged when he went to fuck the hooker at her place.

I also like incall because you get to venture around instead of just staying in the same place. For instance yesterday I went for an incall on the other side of town here in Barranquilla. When I finished fucking, I walked around that neighborhood to explore and found some damn good Chinese food.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Appreciate it.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;3011954]
Finally checked into my "chica Airbnb" - a tiny unit specifically to take chicas to from LLeras around 1 AM, her on her way and I catch my ride to the airport.
[/QUOTE]First of all, great post! You should get an award for erotic literature!

How did you manage to do the Airbnb?

I thought Airbnb's are strictly no sex work. They even make you agree to this explicitly.

And every single Airbnb house I have rented with made me give passport details of all people. They discourage guests and are verbose about it to various degrees. Some even say female guests not allowed. And that their doorman still be watching.

(I know there is a thread for hotels in Medellin but I am not sure how to cross post to that thread.).

[QUOTE=Ftcr1;3012314]Thanks for the response. It is much appreciated! What is the typical tip you would give either an escort or casa gal?[/QUOTE]Zero. You must be American. Working out a price for something then deciding to pay extra.

To tip or not to tip.

[URL]https://youtu.be/jx-peEu4QuA?si=L767PlUp66XO5XOA[/URL]

Michael Madsen RIP.

[QUOTE=Questner;3012501]To tip or not to tip.

[URL]https://youtu.be/jx-peEu4QuA?si=L767PlUp66XO5XOA[/URL]

Michael Madsen RIP.[/QUOTE]To tip or not to tip, that is the Questner.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3012216]When you deal with hookers advertising on a website, there is incall and outcall. Incall is when you go to them. It is usually cheaper because they do not need transportation going to and from..... There is nothing unsafe or strange or rare about incall. As a matter of fact, I think I call is more safe than outcall. You hear about guys being drugged when they brought the hooker to where they are staying. You never hear about a guy being drugged when he went to fuck the hooker at her place......[/QUOTE]Good points. Reminds me of the some Tarintino movies. Some of these girls aren't too bright though, it would be a hilarious and morbid comeuppance for a prepago to drug a guy at her place and then have to deal with his body LOL.

[QUOTE=Ftcr1;3012314]Thanks for the response. It is much appreciated! What is the typical tip you would give either an escort or casa gal?[/QUOTE]If I go to an outcall place I rarely tip as they are essentially their own boss and don't need to pay the house. If I go to a casa or club I may tip 0-30% depending on performance, if the girl does something special, I get her number, or may want to see her again outside. Similar for online girls. I no longer do street girls.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3011772]NL was my spot about 12 years ago. Even before that I knew dudes that would practically live in there and a few met their GFs there. Back then, I think you could meet a lot more part timers and students trying to make a quick peso. I remember when taking pics wasn't a big deal and a few guys from this site DMed me because I used to post pics of babes with nutt all over them. Those were good times. Haven't been to NL in about 4 years, but when I saw it popping up in all the forums, I knew the writing was on the wall. 4 years ago I noticed it becoming a lot more business like. For those that got to experience things like the 2 4 1 specials in the casas back in the day, you got to count your blessings.[/QUOTE]My timing is similar. The last time was probably 2019, just after the last expansion. And then they also started to go overboard with the hygiene and swabs (maybe not all of the girls, but at least the last few I had). Nothing is worse for ones libido than a burning dick. Prior to that it could be very good, particularly on the 'pay days' as many part time girls would come in.

I never got why the girls charge more when we get their numbers from a Casa or a stripclub like la Isla to do an outcall service. The rates are like 3-5 x more than incall / inhouse.
I also don't get why theyd rather go home entry handed at Lleras than lowering the rates.

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3012678]I never got why the girls charge more when we get their numbers from a Casa or a stripclub like la Isla to do an outcall service. The rates are like 3-5 x more than incall / inhouse.
I also don't get why theyd rather go home entry handed at Lleras than lowering the rates.[/QUOTE]I never try to apply logic to how a hooker thinks, but perhaps they have to make special plans with baby sitters, pay transportation, feel like they are providing more service or think because you have money to take them out of the casa that you're a big spender. As far as Lleras, If they can find one sucker to overpay it is less work, wear and tear and risks for them.

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3012678]I never got why the girls charge more when we get their numbers from a Casa or a stripclub like la Isla to do an outcall service. The rates are like 3-5 x more than incall / inhouse.
I also don't get why theyd rather go home entry handed at Lleras than lowering the rates.[/QUOTE]The casas are like going to any job, working your shift, and going home. They are volume businesses and safe for the girl, towels, bedding, place to do the deed, all provided in the fee they pay the house, and in a good day they do all right.

Outcall is sporadic, and they know the rates that outcall services run at. So why would they charge less. Plus time, transportation, etc. That they don't worry about working in a casa.

And as far as street workers, say in Lleras. Who says they go home empty handed? They are not going to lower rates readily, they know where that goes, and there are often informal understandings between girls as well. And, not least, they don't want a smaller amount that badly sometimes, as there are many many prospective clients they would just as soon not have to fuck.

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3012678]I never got why the girls charge more when we get their numbers from a Casa or a stripclub like la Isla to do an outcall service. The rates are like 3-5 x more than incall / inhouse.
I also don't get why theyd rather go home entry handed at Lleras than lowering the rates.[/QUOTE]You will find that line of economic reasoning all over LatAm, in many types of businesses. Business is bad so we must raise prices. Desperation meets poor education.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;3012686]The casas are like going to any job, working your shift, and going home. They are volume businesses and safe for the girl, towels, bedding, place to do the deed, all provided in the fee they pay the house, and in a good day they do all right.

Outcall is sporadic, and they know the rates that outcall services run at. So why would they charge less. Plus time, transportation, etc. That they don't worry about working in a casa.[/QUOTE]Well if I see an Acme Painting Service truck going down the street and I ask the guy driving it to come over and do a side freelance job for me, I do not expect to be paying more than if I had just called Acme direct. The entire point of cutting out the middle man is so the buyer can pay less and the worker can make more than they would if they got paid being an employee of Acme. If Acme is licensed and bonded and charges $100, I do not expect the employee to be charging $300 on a freelance basis. What consumer would go for that bullshit?

As Orgasmico said, that is hooker that do not understand shit about business logic. Pair that with some horny dude that never gets pussy and has a pocket full of money and there is a wtf situation for a normal thinking person.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;3012686]The casas are like going to any job, working your shift, and going home. They are volume businesses and safe for the girl, towels, bedding, place to do the deed, all provided in the fee they pay the house, and in a good day they do all right.

Outcall is sporadic, and they know the rates that outcall services run at. So why would they charge less. Plus time, transportation, etc. That they don't worry about working in a casa.

And as far as street workers, say in Lleras. Who says they go home empty handed? They are not going to lower rates readily, they know where that goes, and there are often informal understandings between girls as well. And, not least, they don't want a smaller amount that badly sometimes, as there are many many prospective clients they would just as soon not have to fuck.[/QUOTE]At NL, each girl makes about 500 k mil or more on an average per a day in a week including tips based on my observation and talking to mamasan. By evening, the card they carry is totally full of how many clients they serviced for that day.

[QUOTE=Huacho;3012730]You will find that line of economic reasoning all over LatAm, in many types of businesses. Business is bad so we must raise prices. Desperation meets poor education.[/QUOTE]I've noticed that in restaurants and bars. They can do it once to me, then I find a different place to spend my money.

[QUOTE=Huacho;3012730]You will find that line of economic reasoning all over LatAm, in many types of businesses. Business is bad so we must raise prices. Desperation meets poor education.[/QUOTE]LOL this, I found out that they like to raise prices when business is bad, it's like they are trying to recovery the lost profits.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3012822]
As Orgasmico said, that is hooker that do not understand shit about business logic. Pair that with some horny dude that never gets pussy and has a pocket full of money and there is a wtf situation for a normal thinking person.[/QUOTE]The price is often location dependent. When they work in Lleras, they charge Lleras price. It's fairly obvious in Brazil as there are more freelancer clubs. A girl who charges 200 in casa, but she will charge 1000 in expensive club. The same girl would charge 500 when they go to a cheaper club. They would charge 400 for outcall which is according to the market.

[QUOTE] a stripclub like la Isla to do an outcall service. The rates are like 3-5 x more than incall / inhouse.[/QUOTE]

I think the OP exaggerated the price increase amount. I think that is not the norm. Have you done a calculation how much it would cost for an outcall for a La Isla girl?

[QUOTE=Huacho;3012730]You will find that line of economic reasoning all over LatAm, in many types of businesses. Business is bad so we must raise prices. Desperation meets poor education.[/QUOTE]Westerners tend to say that for almost every country in Asia and Latin America that they visit but it is not generally true. It is usually based on a few places of businesses and the particular situation of the business is unknown. It is generally asserted for the Westerner to feel superior as if he is so much smarter than the citizens in Asia or Latin America. But it is true that some businesses will act in that manner and Western businesses do the same time. In fact, I personally experienced this recently with a business in Medellin run by a Westerner. Business was slow and the business wasn't making a profit so his solution was to raise prices and he is from the United States. Now it is not a crazy notion because in the short term, if you don't lose customers, you will make more money. On the other hand, if you lower prices and your customer base does not increase, you will lose even more money. If you do nothing, then your situation remains the same and you are still losing money.

That being said, the better approach would be to change things about your business outside of pricing. Increasing prices without making improvements in the business is generally not a winning proposition but there is no market research that businesses in Latin America or Asia have adopted this business practice as whole. Rather, it is just anonymous posters saying this based on personal experiences at a few bars or based on the behavior of a few prostitutes.

Planning on a strip club romp next week. La Isla, Fase 2, Luna, Boom boom? Or some other one I see business cards for all the time.

Any info on these strip clubs?

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3012678]I never got why the girls charge more when we get their numbers from a Casa or a stripclub like la Isla to do an outcall service. The rates are like 3-5 x more than incall / inhouse.
I also don't get why theyd rather go home entry handed at Lleras than lowering the rates.[/QUOTE]I think more like 2-3 x, but it's all about volume and convenience. If the girl is going to your place then that's time that she can't service multiple customers at her regular employer. She also takes on more risk by going with you and may need to plan (babysitter, car, etc.).

In regards to lowering rates, they do of course lower, but only to a certain threshold. It's classic bad business to compete solely on price. That's a race to the bottom. Most of the girls do better than you think, and even if they don't get a guy one night, they can get another for 'their price' later in the week to make up for it. If you know a girl for a bit, or are a regular customer I find that they will lower rates a decent amount.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;3011954]Medellin. June 2024.

Chica 1 - Esmeralda or Esperanza, I think, not sure - $200 k. All raw fucking....

Chica 2 - no name, never got one - $200 k. All raw fucking.

Chica 3 - Marilyn, I think - $350 k including $50 k for taxi. All raw fucking - 2 nuts busted inside.

So night 1 in the books, fucked 3 girls, all without a condom, busted 2 nuts inside #3 and it was spectacular.....

Vennie, then back and forth and back and forth till almost 3:30 AM.....Another busted nut inside a cute Colombiana. Life cannot get better!!

.... After a few minutes she is just soaking wet, a true slip and slide, and so I tell her, just put it in..... Another raw fuck, I love it. Goddamn, life is good.

As I'm leaving the fuck place, I run into Luisa at 6 AM.... She gave it her best effort, but after 30 minutes of fucking, I could not nut, so she said she wanted to sit on my face. I said, let me smell it and we'll see. Smelled like sweet candy.... Ate her out for probably 15 minutes till she starts shaking like crazy ..... go to the bathroom at which point I see a giant "girl nut" hanging from my beard. Seriously it was HUGE....

All in all, another crazy excellent trip to Medellin. Honestly can't wait to get back again!![/QUOTE]Young man, if this is all true I suggest you get yourself tested and probably buy some Valtrex (valacyclovir in CO). Sex education and hygiene for the Colombia barrio girls is next to nil. The prevalence of HIV is very low, but the girls carry plenty of other diseases, particularly if not in a casa and tested. The older guys do raw, but generally take Prep and quite a few precautions. If you keep rolling like this you're going to catch some crazy STD and some of them are not curable. ... Ok off of my soap box LOL.

[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3013007]Planning on a strip club romp next week. La Isla, Fase 2, Luna, Boom boom? Or some other one I see business cards for all the time.

Any info on these strip clubs?[/QUOTE]There is a search function in the upper right side of the forum page. Try there first. Also look at reports of distinction.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3012983]Westerners tend to say that for almost every country in Asia and Latin America that they visit [/QUOTE]Well, this westerner has spent about fifteen years LIVING in Latin American countries, six of them, and has a master's in business and a minor in economics, and stands by his statement.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3013014]Young man, if this is all true I suggest you get yourself tested and probably buy some Valtrex (valacyclovir in CO). Sex education and hygiene for the Colombia barrio girls is next to nil. The prevalence of HIV is very low, but the girls carry plenty of other diseases, particularly if not in a casa and tested. The older guys do raw, but generally take Prep and quite a few precautions. If you keep rolling like this you're going to catch some crazy STD and some of them are not curable. ... Ok off of my soap box LOL.[/QUOTE]Intentionally raw dogging multiple working girls deserves some type of darwin award. Seriously guys.

[QUOTE=FlappyGilmore0;3013045]Intentionally raw dogging multiple working girls deserves some type of darwin award. Seriously guys.[/QUOTE]When I read reports like that, I just assume the guy has Herpes and Warts and doesn't give a shit.

In the odd chance that he doesn't have them, he will soon.

[QUOTE=Nounce;3012973]The price is often location dependent. When they work in Lleras, they charge Lleras price. It's fairly obvious in Brazil as there are more freelancer clubs. A girl who charges 200 in casa, but she will charge 1000 in expensive club. The same girl would charge 500 when they go to a cheaper club. They would charge 400 for outcall which is according to the market.



I think the OP exaggerated the price increase amount. I think that is not the norm. Have you done a calculation how much it would cost for an outcall for a La Isla girl?[/QUOTE]Yeah, it is more like 2 x. I asked how much for an outcall service to my room, she said 1 M vs 600 k. It is more like 1. 5 X-2 X. Mind you I asked girl that was a 9. That place has tons of 8 and 9's.

Ps
I was consistently getting quoted $150 for girls that looked like 8s in Lleras, which I declined.

[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3013007]Planning on a strip club romp next week. La Isla, Fase 2, Luna, Boom boom? Or some other one I see business cards for all the time.

Any info on these strip clubs?[/QUOTE]I only went to Luna lunera and La isla. I prefer la isla and it is expensive. 50 for cover charge, you must consume 40 k at the bar, or a 600 k+ bottle service for a table. The room+service is 600 k for 40 minutes.

Luna lunera is around $80 according to the guy I talked to while there, I just went for a beer. The girls are more like 7-8's but more friendly vs la Isla.

P.S.

I saw on the night I was there at the tabel adjacent to me; JaX slayher and this other white dude having fun, the white dude and another blonde dude took a porn star looking chick that is full on plastic to the private area. I just know that the dudes go out first after like 40 minutes; the girl came out like 1. 5 hour later and looked super pissed and was telling something to the other girls around the table.

[QUOTE=FlappyGilmore0;3013045]Intentionally raw dogging multiple working girls deserves some type of darwin award. Seriously guys.[/QUOTE]One of the bar promoters (non-working) that I spoke to when the bar closed. She said that CTG had high rate (she was a CTG native, and I just had a random chat with her), and MDE is close second with high rates of STD, and got to be careful.

[QUOTE=FlappyGilmore0;3013045]Intentionally raw dogging multiple working girls deserves some type of darwin award. Seriously guys.[/QUOTE]I've been raw dogging pros, semi-pros and non pros in multiple countries for over 20 years, I get tested twice a year for everything and have yet to contract anything. I question the level of risk based on my track record. My close friend that lives in Sosua is a big time clean freak and somewhat of a germaphobe and religiously wraps things up, makes the girls shower and clean their pussy with that feminine cleanser they sell in Playero and he recently contracted herpes so I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing.

Has anyone stayed in the Belen area? It seems like a safer and more peaceful part of the city. I initially booked at the Nutibara Hotel in El Centro, but after reading multiple recent reports of people getting robbed of their cell phones even in broad daylight, I decided to rebook my hotel near LOS Molinos shopping center in Belen. I might still visit El Centro during the day to check out the scene, but I definitely wouldn't feel comfortable staying there especially since it gets quite sketchy after dark.

A couple of years ago I visited a few casas and strip clubs there in Belen (Purple Elixir, Eros Spa, 25-29 Girls) and some nameless ones in houses / apartments, not sure if they still do exist. Can anyone share any recent intel in this area?

[QUOTE=Combo;3013085]When I read reports like that, I just assume the guy has Herpes and Warts and doesn't give a shit.

In the odd chance that he doesn't have them, he will soon.[/QUOTE]When I read one like that I wonder what the girls look like who are raw dogging for 200 off the street. I am in MDE right now and I know the rates and how ugly some of them are. This is my 13th trip here and I only do hot girls off FB and insta. Lots of BBFS and have never caught anything.

[QUOTE=JuneFly;3013227]Has anyone stayed in the Belen area? It seems like a safer and more peaceful part of the city. I initially booked at the Nutibara Hotel in El Centro, but after reading multiple recent reports of people getting robbed of their cell phones even in broad daylight, I decided to rebook my hotel near LOS Molinos shopping center in Belen. I might still visit El Centro during the day to check out the scene, but I definitely wouldn't feel comfortable staying there especially since it gets quite sketchy after dark.

A couple of years ago I visited a few casas and strip clubs there in Belen (Purple Elixir, Eros Spa, 25-29 Girls) and some nameless ones in houses / apartments, not sure if they still do exist. Can anyone share any recent intel in this area?[/QUOTE]Belen is fine and safe. Close enough to Poblado, Centro, Laureles. You should be fine just make sure you're at a Airbnb or hotel bringing girls isn't an issue.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3013195]I've been raw dogging pros, semi-pros and non pros in multiple countries for over 20 years, I get tested twice a year for everything and have yet to contract anything. I question the level of risk based on my track record. My close friend that lives in Sosua is a big time clean freak and somewhat of a germaphobe and religiously wraps things up, makes the girls shower and clean their pussy with that feminine cleanser they sell in Playero and he recently contracted herpes so I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing.[/QUOTE]Well it was the same thing with covid. I was hanging around in downtown Medellin and Santa Fe in Bogota without vaccination the first. Never got sick. Meanwhile mfs with 3 jabs, wearing a mask, and washing their hands all the time caught covid twice. May be a case of god protecting fools and Murphy's Law having its way with the Nervous Nancys.

I live in Sabaneta my girlfriend wants to get a little freaky and have two or three guys. I just asked you between 7 and 9 in and relatively good looking and between 30 and 50 years old. Let me know if anybody's here this week and is interested we'll be doing it sometime between Whursday and next Monday.

Also I've lived here 6 years I'm willing to most of the scenes so if you have any questions I'll be glad to help.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3013195]I've been raw dogging pros, semi-pros and non pros in multiple countries for over 20 years, I get tested twice a year for everything and have yet to contract anything. I question the level of risk based on my track record. My close friend that lives in Sosua is a big time clean freak and somewhat of a germaphobe and religiously wraps things up, makes the girls shower and clean their pussy with that feminine cleanser they sell in Playero and he recently contracted herpes so I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing.[/QUOTE]As long as you have no open cuts on Mr. Wiener, you should be fine. Just like shaking a hand. The women are the ones who have to be concerned because the men squirt into them. I always tell them I will pull out, but many of the women do not believe me and I say "next. ".

60% of the worlds population admit to having some herpes. The other 40% are liars. Its as common as a cold sore and lasts a couple days.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3013195]I've been raw dogging pros, semi-pros and non pros in multiple countries for over 20 years, I get tested twice a year for everything and have yet to contract anything. I question the level of risk based on my track record. My close friend that lives in Sosua is a big time clean freak and somewhat of a germaphobe and religiously wraps things up, makes the girls shower and clean their pussy with that feminine cleanser they sell in Playero and he recently contracted herpes so I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing.[/QUOTE]Definitely kudos to you for getting tested regularly. Since I'm a bit more careful I do less often. Annually and when I have symptoms. Thankfully 100% clean to date.

The above noted, if you look at the statistics, we've been in a pretty fortunate period historically as things relate to STDs. Low rates due to education, 'most' using protection, and readily available preventative medications. Unfortunately this has given people a false sense of confidence and numbers are increasing, particularly in Africa and Asia. I'm not trying to fear monger as it's the truth.

Also, it's worth noting that female to male transmission of things like HIV is pretty darn hard. All in all, I was most taken aback when the OP mentioned that he had a 150 k street walker sit on his face for 15 minutes. That's just asking for Herpes and a whole host of things LOL.

Be careful out there gents!

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;3002648]I used to take small gifts. Lingerie earbud perfumes small things. I no longer do, because I have concluded it makes no difference. Most dudes doing it do it out of a desire to feel good about helping someone. It doesn't work that way with these women.[/QUOTE]For the most part I have as well. Although the vain part of me likes to think that the girl will remember me more for the 'thoughtful gesture,' the truth is that 90% would be happier and remember you more if you just tipped them the amount that you spent on the gift.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3013304]Also, it's worth noting that female to male transmission of things like HIV is pretty darn hard.[/QUOTE]It's difficult to transmit HIV through vaginal intercourse. It's not difficult if a man goes raw in a woman's butt. There was an egomaniac who posted on here not too long ago who boasted about going raw in the butt of almost every woman he was with. I don't want to be with any woman he's been with. Luckily, almost all the pictures he posted were of chicas so ugly I would reject them on appearance.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3013304]Definitely kudos to you for getting tested regularly. Since I'm a bit more careful I do less often. Annually and when I have symptoms. Thankfully 100% clean to date.
............Also, it's worth noting that female to male transmission of things like HIV is pretty darn hard. All in all, I was most taken aback when the OP mentioned that he had a 150 k street walker sit on his face for 15 minutes. That's just asking for Herpes and a whole host of things LOL.Be careful out there gents![/QUOTE]

On the subject of fucking raw, this excerpt from a somewhat self-congratulatory, but nonetheless quite entertaining and informative, 2024 Medellin trip report billed by one poster as the GOAT of all Reports of Distinction.

His preventative mode of operation--a high-maintenance routine of daily meds (which clearly comes without the Mayo Clinic's full seal of approval):

" I know this is an odd thing. But I'm telling you this: There are some meds that I just won't travel without:

Sunflower Lecithin. This stuff comes in HUGE horse pills, and taste disgusting. But when paired with 25 MG of Zinc you will literally boost your cum production 5 x. I like to be able to paint a girls face proper. The more cum you make, the better your orgasm. Plain and simple.

PrEP. This is a prescription medication that is an ANTI-HIV / blocker. If you are barebacking girls in high volume (or any volume), I strongly recommend it.

DoxyCycline. This stuff in combination with PrEP is known to block almost all other STDs / STIS.

HPV vaccine. If you don't have this (its a series of 3 vaccines- fucking get it. Makes you immune to HPV.

The goal here is to fuck as much raw as possible and protect yourself from getting sick. I'm also fixed so I don't worry about babies, but guys, these girls are poor as it is, if you make a baby, take care of it. If you don't. You're a trash terrible person and I hope you burn in hell. Babies are Gods gift to this earth. ".

* Make sure you take PREP and cycle antibiotics. Girls will say they are clean, but the 5 guys they fucked before might have been lying. I have BBed over 800 girls in MDE and still clean to this day. Prep+Doxycycline pretty much makes you immune to STDS. (Sure it ruins your liver, but fuck livers). ".

Above posted by YyzTravel, Post #66380, on 4-11-24. Here's link to page 206 of the Medellin thread with the report. A Tolstoy novel in length but worth a read when you have the time. [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2907830[/URL]#post2907830.

So The Tall Man has been in Medellin for 15 years and over this time span have seen the changes, the good and bad, which has been especially dramatic for 5 years now post pandemic.

Over the years I have also spent much time in just about every city and municipality in Colombia, such as Bogota / Buca / Cartagena / Cali / Medellin, Barranquilla / Santa Marta / Riohacha / Quibdo / Pereria / Valledupar / Cucuta / etc. And as for Medellin I know just about every bar, strip club, venue, party zone, bar, casa, massage place, street scene and things have changed so much in the past decade.

Much can be argued about why the changes to our hobby but to sum it up as the cause to the proliferation of Social Media in general, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, Only Fans, dating apps, etc.

Any of you guys want to ad your experience as to the cause?

In the meantime I maintain about 4 or 5 in my rotation of mostly Paisas who are demure, fresh, great attitudes, reasonable priced, good hearts and souls, can hold a conversation about life and family, incredible lovemaking in the bedroom so perhaps not only has time changed but I have also.

TTM.

[QUOTE=Combo;3013085]When I read reports like that, I just assume the guy has Herpes and Warts and doesn't give a shit.

In the odd chance that he doesn't have them, he will soon.[/QUOTE]Any time I read a post where the guy bangs hookers without a condom I just assume he already has HIV and herpes.

Taking antibiotics prophylactically is selfish because it increases the progression of antibiotic resistant germ strains. That's why prescriptions are required in advanced countries. Not something to self-medicate with for preventive purposes. That's not even considering the possibility such people are deluding themselves about the safety it provides. Antibiotics aren't effective against viruses, after all. HIV, HPV, herpes, all viruses. I'm just sayin'.

Logic and reason back up your assumption. It's a sad reminder to take precautions.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3013391]Any time I read a post where the guy bangs hookers without a condom I just assume he already has HIV and herpes.[/QUOTE]

It's true and it is very common practice. All these years later, it still raises my eyebrows because of how little sense it makes.

[QUOTE=Huacho;3012730]You will find that line of economic reasoning all over LatAm, in many types of businesses. Business is bad so we must raise prices. Desperation meets poor education.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;3013391]Any time I read a post where the guy bangs hookers without a condom I just assume he already has HIV and herpes.[/QUOTE]You assume he has it. LOL. I guess N777 is being selectively picked on.

[QUOTE==;3013285]I would have a blonde, a redhead, and / or a brunette / black hair in my harem that would allow BBFSCIP with all of them and of course allow going back and forth between them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;3013382]So The Tall Man has been in Medellin for 15 years and over this time span have seen the changes, the good and bad, which has been especially dramatic for 5 years now post pandemic.

Over the years I have also spent much time in just about every city and municipality in Colombia, such as Bogota / Buca / Cartagena / Cali / Medellin, Barranquilla / Santa Marta / Riohacha / Quibdo / Pereria / Valledupar / Cucuta / etc. And as for Medellin I know just about every bar, strip club, venue, party zone, bar, casa, massage place, street scene and things have changed so much in the past decade.

[/QUOTE]Very true. I'm curious why Medellin has developed such a notorious reputation for safety issues in recent years, it didn't seem nearly this bad even three years ago. We don't hear nearly as much negative news from other major Colombian cities Bogota, Cali, Barranquilla, Cartagena, Santa Marta.

Is this shift primarily due to rising poverty? Are foreigners increasingly being seen as easy targets, or is there growing resentment toward them for contributing to higher local prices and cost of living, or locals pissed off due to perceptions around how foreigners objectify Medellin women?

[QUOTE=JuneFly;3013437]growing resentment toward them for contributing to higher local prices and cost of living[/QUOTE]Global issue building resentment towards foreign tourists, which increases apathy and anger towards them. See Barcelona, Mexico City, etc.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3013456]Global issue building resentment towards foreign tourists, which increases apathy and anger towards them. See Barcelona, Mexico City, etc.[/QUOTE]You left out the why.

[QUOTE=JuneFly;3013437]Very true. I'm curious why Medellin has developed such a notorious reputation for safety issues in recent years, it didn't seem nearly this bad even three years ago. We don't hear nearly as much negative news from other major Colombian cities Bogota, Cali, Barranquilla, Cartagena, Santa Marta.

Is this shift primarily due to rising poverty? Are foreigners increasingly being seen as easy targets, or is there growing resentment toward them for contributing to higher local prices and cost of living, or locals pissed off due to perceptions around how foreigners objectify Medellin women?[/QUOTE]The people involved with crime have improved their methods, and with plenty of mongers to target they have become a lot more successful in the past 6 years or so. I don't think it is any of those other things, or at least not in any significant way.

In 2015 or 16 there were getting to be a number of incidents of gringos being drugged, but especially in the last few years the numbers have increased. The deaths from scope and other drugs used to rob victims are the "mistakes", but for every death there are probably hundreds that were drugged and did not die, but in many cases were robbed, etc. Anyway, I think it is more just a specific part of the crime scene that has increased, and that involves gringos, so it certainly gets attention in monger circles.

As for other cities, Bogota is equal as far as drugging etc. I think, but it is not followed as much by mongers.

[QUOTE=FatOldGringo;3013262]I live in Sabaneta my girlfriend wants to get a little freaky and have two or three guys. I just asked you between 7 and 9 in and relatively good looking and between 30 and 50 years old. Let me know if anybody's here this week and is interested we'll be doing it sometime between Whursday and next Monday.

Also I've lived here 6 years I'm willing to most of the scenes so if you have any questions I'll be glad to help.[/QUOTE]You've only made four posts so far and don't have private messaging option — so how do you expect anyone to respond?

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3013456]Global issue building resentment towards foreign tourists, which increases apathy and anger towards them. See Barcelona, Mexico City, etc.[/QUOTE]I can't speak for Barcelona, but Mexico isn't as bad as Medellin. I've visited every major city in Mexico, and there seems to be an unspoken agreement among cartels not to target foreign tourists or expats, at least in the larger cities. It's mostly petty crimes that are common, any high-profile incident like drugged and killed involving them are very rare, and typically brings a forceful response unless of course it involves someone gets in their way or mistaken identities.

[QUOTE=Nounce;3013434]You assume he has it. LOL. I guess N777 is being selectively picked on.[/QUOTE]Actually not selectively picking anyone. Just that if a guy knows he already has herpes and HIV then there is no risk for him going bareback. Quite selfish actually.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;3013382]So The Tall Man has been in Medellin for 15 years and over this time span have seen the changes, the good and bad, which has been especially dramatic for 5 years now post pandemic.

Much can be argued about why the changes to our hobby but to sum it up as the cause to the proliferation of Social Media in general, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, Only Fans, dating apps, etc.

Any of you guys want to ad your experience as to the cause?

TTM.[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more, Tall Man, unfortunately. Another big factor is the ability for Paisas to go to EU, Mexico, etc. much easier than years past. A 9 gets a million so her six friends that are 7s think that price sounds good to them. It's a cancer of predatory egotistical business sense. A 7 gets a free trip to get S on in Dubai, so now all her friends that are 6s think you should take them to Mamba Negra on a first date and take 35 photos of them until they like one, and the 2nd date should be San Andres or Tulum. I think the Golden Age is over. Passport Bros are undefeated. I don't find myself in the tourist hot spots too frequently, but when I do, I am shocked at how little respect some gringos have for local culture and just a standard level of manners or behavior. The same old stories are so tired. If only these guys knew what it used to be like. Prices are not what they once were, and the valley is flooded with foreigners. I'm very seriously considering making a change and leaving Medellin to the backpackers, weekend ballers, and creeps. It breaks my heart but I'm fortunate to be able to make a difficult decision like this that I feel will make me happier in this short window of life we have. I feel like a human ATM these days. I can't imagine not being able to speak Spanish, here. I had been considering moving outside the city or to somewhere like Pereira, but I think I'd be bored at this point in my life. We'll see, but I think I might be one foot out the door.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;3013382]So The Tall Man has been in Medellin for 15 years and over this time span have seen the changes, the good and bad, which has been especially dramatic for 5 years now post pandemic.

Over the years I have also spent much time in just about every city and municipality in Colombia, such as Bogota / Buca / Cartagena / Cali / Medellin, Barranquilla / Santa Marta / Riohacha / Quibdo / Pereria / Valledupar / Cucuta / etc. And as for Medellin I know just about every bar, strip club, venue, party zone, bar, casa, massage place, street scene and things have changed so much in the past decade.

Much can be argued about why the changes to our hobby but to sum it up as the cause to the proliferation of Social Media in general, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, Only Fans, dating apps, etc.

Any of you guys want to ad your experience as to the cause?

In the meantime I maintain about 4 or 5 in my rotation of mostly Paisas who are demure, fresh, great attitudes, reasonable priced, good hearts and souls, can hold a conversation about life and family, incredible lovemaking in the bedroom so perhaps not only has time changed but I have also.

TTM.[/QUOTE]Since the covid time, there has been a flux of gringos to Medellin. Now there are some seedy / obnoxious gringos hanging around the Botero / Veracruz area. They act like a hot shot, but I'm not sure if anybody deals with them in their home countries.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;3013574]I think the Golden Age is over. Passport Bros are undefeated. I don't find myself in the tourist hot spots too frequently, but when I do, I am shocked at how little respect some gringos have for local culture and just a standard level of manners or behavior. ... Prices are not what they once were,[/QUOTE]I agree there are too many gringos who have little respect for the local culture and the local people. But it's not just tourists who show a lack of respect. This morning, I was walking down the sidewalk and a local man came out of a shop and walked across the sidewalk. If I had not hesitated and weaved, we would have collided. He didn't show any signs of acknowledging his poor manners. And if two locals are walking side-by-side on a sidewalk, many times they will not make room for someone walking in the opposite direction.

The prices of almost everything are going up. I've noticed Exito doesn't even try to keep the prices displayed on the shelves current, or they don't show any prices. I don't think the tourists are responsible for the supermarkets' price increases. When I first came to Medellin 15 years ago, the gringo I rented a room from told me not to pay the ladies more than 100 mil. I think the exchange rate at that time was less than 2,000/1, COP/$. It is now just over 4,000/1. I can get more attractive young ladies than I can handle now for 250 mil. I acknowledge the price has gone up faster since Covid than before, but the increase over a long period of time is not that bad.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;3013574]Couldn't agree more, Tall Man, unfortunately. Another big factor is the ability for Paisas to go to EU, Mexico, etc. much easier than years past. A 9 gets a million so her six friends that are 7s think that price sounds good to them. It's a cancer of predatory egotistical business sense. A 7 gets a free trip to get S on in Dubai, so now all her friends that are 6s think you should take them to Mamba Negra on a first date and take 35 photos of them until they like one, and the 2nd date should be San Andres or Tulum. I think the Golden Age is over. Passport Bros are undefeated. I don't find myself in the tourist hot spots too frequently, but when I do, I am shocked at how little respect some gringos have for local culture and just a standard level of manners or behavior. The same old stories are so tired. If only these guys knew what it used to be like. Prices are not what they once were, and the valley is flooded with foreigners. I'm very seriously considering making a change and leaving Medellin to the backpackers, weekend ballers, and creeps. It breaks my heart but I'm fortunate to be able to make a difficult decision like this that I feel will make me happier in this short window of life we have. I feel like a human ATM these days. I can't imagine not being able to speak Spanish, here. I had been considering moving outside the city or to somewhere like Pereira, but I think I'd be bored at this point in my life. We'll see, but I think I might be one foot out the door.[/QUOTE]Valid points especially about Colombian women being invited by SIMPs to travel to Europe, Spain in particular, even Dubai, Mexico and the DR.

I have seen this played out with dozens of Paisas who I saw and enjoyed when they were just starting out even before thinking about the P4 P and were young, fresh and the proverbial next door girl then fast forward 5 years and I see them in Barcelona or Paris or Dubai.

I could write a book of what I have seen, experienced and observed not only myself but a few European and North American men who have come here for a few weeks to a number of years.

Another member mentioned that Colombia takes the TOP #1 spot for webcams in the world so chances are that the majority of the paisas have resorted to this to get some pay and hordes of attention as OF.

Remember "she's not your girl rather it is only your turn".

Be safe out there.

TTM.

Dear Fellow-Mongers.

Taking the risk of being accused of depressing the mood in this forum, I really need to ask, wether you guys think, that the Casas are save from Scopo-attacks.

I read a lot about it in this forum and how serious this has to be taken. There is also an episode on the Youtube Channel 'Life with David' - the episode's called 'The Dangers of Dating in Colombia'. At the end he hints, that if your coming to MDE only for sex with Paisas (which is my main intention), there are save places for it. I mean it's Youtube and I guess he can't be more specific on this in his channel BUT I had the feeling he is referring to Casas.

Now I would very much like you. Who have actual experience with Casas. To kindly let me know, if you feel, you are safe there and that Scopo-Attacks are highly unlikely there.

I figure that such an attack would make much more sense being in the hotel room / AirBnB of a victim tourist than in a brothel. But I am unexperienced on this turf and my next journey would be the first I undertake to South America.

The same question would apply to motels (like Ibiza West). So if I find a nice Paisa on a site like Prepagos and arrange an outcall to Ibiza West (not the place where I stay and my belongings are), would that be save or has anybody heard of American / European tourists being Scopo-attacked there?

Reports on this matter, which I read lately, really make me wondering, if it were better to go to Havanna instead. I guess it is more difficult there to make (pre-) arrangement with Girls (no Escort-Websites, etc.) but I feel the general safety situation is better. On the other hand Paisas are the prettiest ladies in the world. : the.

You guys see how conflicted I am, perhaps one of you can help me out and eliminate my doubts.

Thank you so much and hasta la próxima.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;3013574]Couldn't agree more, Tall Man, unfortunately. Another big factor is the ability for Paisas to go to EU, Mexico, etc. much easier than years past. A 9 gets a million so her six friends that are 7s think that price sounds good to them. It's a cancer of predatory egotistical business sense. A 7 gets a free trip to get S on in Dubai, so now all her friends that are 6s think you should take them to Mamba Negra on a first date and take 35 photos of them until they like one, and the 2nd date should be San Andres or Tulum. I think the Golden Age is over. Passport Bros are undefeated. I don't find myself in the tourist hot spots too frequently, but when I do, I am shocked at how little respect some gringos have for local culture and just a standard level of manners or behavior. The same old stories are so tired. If only these guys knew what it used to be like. Prices are not what they once were, and the valley is flooded with foreigners. I'm very seriously considering making a change and leaving Medellin to the backpackers, weekend ballers, and creeps. It breaks my heart but I'm fortunate to be able to make a difficult decision like this that I feel will make me happier in this short window of life we have. I feel like a human ATM these days. I can't imagine not being able to speak Spanish, here. I had been considering moving outside the city or to somewhere like Pereira, but I think I'd be bored at this point in my life. We'll see, but I think I might be one foot out the door.[/QUOTE]I've been coming here for the past 12 years now, and the gringo wave to MDE post pandemic doesn't bother me at all because I almost never see them. Only time I see gringos are at the airport or if I find myself in Poblado or Laureles areas. I still get cute girls in the 150-200 mil range that stays for 2+ hours and allows BBFS and these aren't the Parque Lleras chicas. I get them before they level up or start to realize they can get more from other non experienced gringos. By that time, I move on because the hunt is worth the end results. I ain't going nowhere, but yes MDE ain't what it used to be. Nothing rarely is. I just bought a million pesos worth of tussi (good price for 50 puntos) and going to party like a rockstar for the next month hehe.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3013609] I agree there are too many gringos who have little respect for the local culture and the local people. [/QUOTE]I have been to over 15 cities and municipalities across Colombia over the years and I have come to the conclusion that I should avoid the Gringos. I prefer the Local Scene and Culture. I don't travel around the World to hang out or seek out foreigners. Medellin has become a past time for me as I am exploring other areas of Colombia. I am sure that I will return to Medellin but it definitely not a priority. Whenever I see Gringos most of them are usually loud, drunk, high, ungrateful, complain a lot, brag and boast how they are better, self exultation, arrogant, self centered and self absorbed, definitely don't give a damn about the culture and traditions, could care less about the country, etc, etc and the list goes on. I just touched on a few points. Most stay in that Bubble called Poblado and Parque Lleras.

As for myself, I enjoy exploring, seeing and doing different things. I don't mind being among the locals, eating local food and drinks, listening to local music, learning the culture, making friends with people and families, helping out when I can see a genuine need. To all the Gringos, please stay where you are and don't explore anything or anywhere. You're doing good right there!

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;3013631]I've been coming here for the past 12 years now, and the gringo wave to MDE post pandemic doesn't bother me at all because I almost never see them. Only time I see gringos are at the airport or if I find myself in Poblado or Laureles areas. I still get cute girls in the 150-200 mil range that stays for 2+ hours and allows BBFS and these aren't the Parque Lleras chicas. I get them before they level up or start to realize they can get more from other non experienced gringos. By that time, I move on because the hunt is worth the end results. I ain't going nowhere, but yes MDE ain't what it used to be. Nothing rarely is. I just bought a million pesos worth of tussi (good price for 50 puntos) and going to party like a rockstar for the next month hehe.[/QUOTE]Would love to know how to do this. Are you doing SA?

I'm a long time lurker (about 20 yrs on and off). Monger experience in Tijuana, Pattaya, FKKs, Canada and Japan- Tobita Shinichi.

Should I even bother with MDE at this point? Or spend more time at Wellcum and Sharks here in Europe? I'm on a grand mongering tour.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;3013631]I just bought a million pesos worth of tussi (good price for 50 puntos) and going to party like a rockstar for the next month hehe.[/QUOTE]Is that an illegal drug in Colombia? What type of drug is it, like meth? How many of the women use it? Half?

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;3013662]Is that an illegal drug in Colombia? What type of drug is it, like meth? How many of the women use it? Half?[/QUOTE]Known as pink cocaine. Actually a combo drug mainly ketamine.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3013572] Just that if a guy knows he already has herpes and HIV then there is no risk for him going bareback. Quite selfish actually.[/QUOTE]It's higher risk but that does not mean the ones that are doing it have it. You have similar attitude when you won't session with what you consider attractive girls in Plaza Botero even after I offered to be your wingman. I think it's more of a personal choice.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3013609] I've noticed Exito doesn't even try to keep the prices displayed on the shelves current, or they don't show any prices. I don't think the tourists are responsible for the supermarkets' price increases. [/QUOTE]Some Exitos that I go to now offer to pay in USD by credit card.

[QUOTE=Falco;3013630]Dear Fellow-Mongers.

Taking the risk of being accused of depressing the mood in this forum, I really need to ask, wether you guys think, that the Casas are save from Scopo-attacks.

I read a lot about it in this forum and how serious this has to be taken. There is also an episode on the Youtube Channel 'Life with David' - the episode's called 'The Dangers of Dating in Colombia'. At the end he hints, that if your coming to MDE only for sex with Paisas (which is my main intention), there are save places for it. I mean it's Youtube and I guess he can't be more specific on this in his channel BUT I had the feeling he is referring to Casas.

Now I would very much like you. Who have actual experience with Casas. To kindly let me know, if you feel, you are safe there and that Scopo-Attacks are highly unlikely there.

I figure that such an attack would make much more sense being in the hotel room / AirBnB of a victim tourist than in a brothel. But I am unexperienced on this turf and my next journey would be the first I undertake to South America.

The same question would apply to motels (like Ibiza West). So if I find a nice Paisa on a site like Prepagos and arrange an outcall to Ibiza West (not the place where I stay and my belongings are), would that be save or has anybody heard of American / European tourists being Scopo-attacked there?

Reports on this matter, which I read lately, really make me wondering, if it were better to go to Havanna instead. I guess it is more difficult there to make (pre-) arrangement with Girls (no Escort-Websites, etc.) but I feel the general safety situation is better. On the other hand Paisas are the prettiest ladies in the world. : the.

You guys see how conflicted I am, perhaps one of you can help me out and eliminate my doubts.

Thank you so much and hasta la prxima.[/QUOTE]You're not facing any risk of scope attacks in Casas or strip club sex. It doesn't make sense, why should they drug you? If they're going to risk losing their businesses, they might as well kidnap you right then and there while you're locked inside.

As for the other question, it doesn't make any sense to me. OF COURSE there is risk doing business with entites that don't have a public reputation and company address like calling a girl to show up at your hotel regardless of website.

[QUOTE=Nounce;3013757]It's higher risk but that does not mean the ones that are doing it have it. You have similar attitude when you won't session with what you consider attractive girls in Plaza Botero even after I offered to be your wingman. I think it's more of a personal choice.[/QUOTE]I can't recall your offer Nounce, probably senior moment on my part, but thanks anyway. I have been to Plaza Botero many times but the mood dies when I get there. I have sessioned in worst places such as Sonagashi in Kolkata, India and the Catacombs in Chang Ping, China (closed down now) and if I return to Sonagashi I will session there. However, the vibe in Botero turns me off for some reason. Could it be that huge church in the middle of the place (I was once an altar boy many moons ago) perhaps a psychologist could answer.

I follow that approach exactly, but have not added the cum booster combination, but WILL BE DOING THAT!!

Anyway, I follow the same regimen:

HPV Vaccine. Done - no one wants throat cancer from eating out a girl who has HPV, or FAR, FAR worse. Uncurable genital warts. Most people can get this vaccine for free via insurance coverage in the US, even if you can't GET THIS VACCINE!!

PreP. Anti HIV pills. Per my doctor, who is gay and says "we in our community follow this", basically he says that there are 2 approaches to using PreP - 1) take 2 pills within 24 hours after unprotected sex OR you can take 1 pill a day starting 1 week prior to your trip and continue that until 3 days after your trip ends. I follow the second approach because it builds up into your system for a week prior your likely unprotected sexual encounter and then you carry that protection through 3 days post. This seems more logical / prudent approach. Even if it's HIGHLY unlikely that you can contract HIV from vaginal sex with a female, you DO NOT WANT TO contract it!

Doxycycline. As noted, this covers syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, etc. All of which are nasty bacterial STDs that you also do not want.

Per GoogleAI: Doxycycline Post-Exposure Prophylaxis (Doxy-PEP) is a strategy to prevent certain bacterial sexually transmitted infections (STIs), also known as sexually transmitted diseases (STDs).

Doxy-PEP can help prevent the following bacterial STIs:

Syphilis.

Chlamydia.

Gonorrhea (to a lesser extent).

Studies have shown that Doxy-PEP can significantly reduce the risk of acquiring these infections when taken within 72 hours of condomless oral, vaginal, or anal sex.

Bottom line, with a solid regimen of the above 3, and throwing in valocyclovir for genital herpes, you've reduced your likelihood of contracting nastiness via vaginal unprotected sex to what I consider an acceptable level.

Everyone has their own risk tolerance, a 3% or less chance of STD contraction is a risk I'm willing to take.

Do what feels right for you and cheers!!

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;3013367]On the subject of fucking raw, this excerpt from a somewhat self-congratulatory, but nonetheless quite entertaining and informative, 2024 Medellin trip report billed by one poster as the GOAT of all Reports of Distinction.

His preventative mode of operation--a high-maintenance routine of daily meds (which clearly comes without the Mayo Clinic's full seal of approval):

" I know this is an odd thing. But I'm telling you this: There are some meds that I just won't travel without:

Sunflower Lecithin. This stuff comes in HUGE horse pills, and taste disgusting. But when paired with 25 MG of Zinc you will literally boost your cum production 5 x. I like to be able to paint a girls face proper. The more cum you make, the better your orgasm. Plain and simple.

PrEP. This is a prescription medication that is an ANTI-HIV / blocker. If you are barebacking girls in high volume (or any volume), I strongly recommend it.

DoxyCycline. This stuff in combination with PrEP is known to block almost all other STDs / STIS.

HPV vaccine. If you don't have this (its a series of 3 vaccines- fucking get it. Makes you immune to HPV.

The goal here is to fuck as much raw as possible and protect yourself from getting sick. I'm also fixed so I don't worry about babies, but guys, these girls are poor as it is, if you make a baby, take care of it. If you don't. You're a trash terrible person and I hope you burn in hell. Babies are Gods gift to this earth. ".

* Make sure you take PREP and cycle antibiotics. Girls will say they are clean, but the 5 guys they fucked before might have been lying. I have BBed over 800 girls in MDE and still clean to this day. Prep+Doxycycline pretty much makes you immune to STDS. (Sure it ruins your liver, but fuck livers). ".

Above posted by YyzTravel, Post #66380, on 4-11-24. Here's link to page 206 of the Medellin thread with the report. A Tolstoy novel in length but worth a read when you have the time. [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2907830[/URL]#post2907830.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3013639]I have been to over 15 cities and municipalities across Colombia over the years and I have come to the conclusion that I should avoid the Gringos. I prefer the Local Scene and Culture. I don't travel around the World to hang out or seek out foreigners. Medellin has become a past time for me as I am exploring other areas of Colombia. I am sure that I will return to Medellin but it definitely not a priority. Whenever I see Gringos most of them are usually loud, drunk, high, ungrateful, complain a lot, brag and boast how they are better, self exultation, arrogant, self centered and self absorbed, definitely don't give a damn about the culture and traditions, could care less about the country, etc, etc and the list goes on. I just touched on a few points. Most stay in that Bubble called Poblado and Parque Lleras.

As for myself, I enjoy exploring, seeing and doing different things. I don't mind being among the locals, eating local food and drinks, listening to local music, learning the culture, making friends with people and families, helping out when I can see a genuine need. To all the Gringos, please stay where you are and don't explore anything or anywhere. You're doing good right there![/QUOTE]You see them in tons. Very loud, obnoxious and drunk. In New Life like casas after 1 pm. They come in groups and occupy the place for 3 or 4 hours. Heard locals complaining loud.

[QUOTE=Nounce;3013766]Some Exitos that I go to now offer to pay in USD by credit card.[/QUOTE]I imagine everyplace that accepts foreign credit cards would like you to pay in USD. That way, they get to determine the exchange rate, rather than the CC processing company determining the rate. If the merchant does it, the rate will be very bad.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;3013612]Valid points especially about Colombian women being invited by SIMPs to travel to Europe, Spain in particular, even Dubai, Mexico and the DR.

I have seen this played out with dozens of Paisas who I saw and enjoyed when they were just starting out even before thinking about the P4 P and were young, fresh and the proverbial next door girl then fast forward 5 years and I see them in Barcelona or Paris or Dubai.

I could write a book of what I have seen, experienced and observed not only myself but a few European and North American men who have come here for a few weeks to a number of years.

Another member mentioned that Colombia takes the TOP #1 spot for webcams in the world so chances are that the majority of the paisas have resorted to this to get some pay and hordes of attention as OF.

Remember "she's not your girl rather it is only your turn"..[/QUOTE]It is very sad that I know some girls in Medellin who got sucked into this, discontinuing their education and jobs. Every girl wants to do it since it is an easy lot of money while ignoring their career and life in later years.

One girl went to Athens and came back right after a month complaining the money making abroad is not worth, while leaving family behind, the exploitation done by the middlemen. She said they take your passport and charge for everything for sharing room, plane tickets and commission.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;3013662]Is that an illegal drug in Colombia? What type of drug is it, like meth? How many of the women use it? Half?[/QUOTE]From my understanding, tussi, like coke, is prohibited, but not illegal. I know a local who said he spent the night in jail for simple possession. Not sure what penalty is for a gringo; but pay the bribe.

This is the key point. Possession for 1 gram is just possession; you don't get major "jail time". But with more than 1 gram, they can charge you with intent to sell; that is years in jail.

Never done meth. Tussi is approximately 70% ecstasy and about 28% ketamine. IMO, since you snort it, it should be relatively safe. I don't think you can OD from ecstasy. But if you do too much, you can get into the ketamine "rat hole". Also, you can get diarrhea. LOL!

Note that there are different types of tussi. You can tell by the color. It should be a dark pink. IMO, the light pink and the light purple colored stuff has more ketamine and junk and not enough ecstasy.

In Colombia, many girls do not like coke; many girls like tussi. Not sure of the percentages among civilians. But, the majority of the girls in Bogota's Santa Fe love tussi.

If boredom is your problem, I promise Pereira is not going to solve it. As for passport bros, I don't cross paths with them often enough to think about them when they aren't in sight. They definitely make their presence known. To me it doesn't seem like people here deal with weekend warriors unless they are in the tourism sector or escorts. I think that goes both ways because the weekend warriors don't deal so much with locals who aren't service providers of those two categories. E.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;3013574]Couldn't agree more, Tall Man, unfortunately. Another big factor is the ability for Paisas to go to EU, Mexico, etc. much easier than years past. A 9 gets a million so her six friends that are 7s think that price sounds good to them. It's a cancer of predatory egotistical business sense. A 7 gets a free trip to get S on in Dubai, so now all her friends that are 6s think you should take them to Mamba Negra on a first date and take 35 photos of them until they like one, and the 2nd date should be San Andres or Tulum. I think the Golden Age is over. Passport Bros are undefeated. I don't find myself in the tourist hot spots too frequently, but when I do, I am shocked at how little respect some gringos have for local culture and just a standard level of manners or behavior. The same old stories are so tired. If only these guys knew what it used to be like. Prices are not what they once were, and the valley is flooded with foreigners. I'm very seriously considering making a change and leaving Medellin to the backpackers, weekend ballers, and creeps. It breaks my heart but I'm fortunate to be able to make a difficult decision like this that I feel will make me happier in this short window of life we have. I feel like a human ATM these days. I can't imagine not being able to speak Spanish, here. I had been considering moving outside the city or to somewhere like Pereira, but I think I'd be bored at this point in my life. We'll see, but I think I might be one foot out the door.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElPostino;3013845]One girl went to Athens and came back right after a month complaining the money making abroad is not worth, while leaving family behind, the exploitation done by the middlemen. She said they take your passport and charge for everything for sharing room, plane tickets and commission.[/QUOTE]Did she think they were dumb gringos who were ready to foot the bill and fix all her problems for some pussy?

I really miss Luna Lunera. I haven't been since the pandemic. It brings back memories of 15 years ago when I would pop in there to unwind after sessions at Abydos across the street. I'm going to make a point of stopping in to check it out. I remember you could negotiate much cheaper prices when I went during daytime hours.

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3013110]I only went to Luna lunera and La isla. I prefer la isla and it is expensive. 50 for cover charge, you must consume 40 k at the bar, or a 600 k+ bottle service for a table. The room+service is 600 k for 40 minutes.

Luna lunera is around $80 according to the guy I talked to while there, I just went for a beer. The girls are more like 7-8's but more friendly vs la Isla.

P.S.

I saw on the night I was there at the tabel adjacent to me; JaX slayher and this other white dude having fun, the white dude and another blonde dude took a porn star looking chick that is full on plastic to the private area. I just know that the dudes go out first after like 40 minutes; the girl came out like 1. 5 hour later and looked super pissed and was telling something to the other girls around the table.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3013858]Did she think they were dumb gringos who were ready to foot the bill and fix all her problems for some pussy?[/QUOTE]No, maybe she just expected that she wouldn't have cut throat sex traffickers taking advantage of workers who don't have the full information of what they are signing up for. I know a lot of these girls have GSP, but this is something totally different. These women are being taken advantage of with vague promises of "you'll get paid x, we'll take care of everything" and then get turned around and exploited to the maximum amount by organized gangs and other horrible people. Remember, these girls are normally 18-24 and have never been trained or educated in how to negotiate or anything (half the time they are going some where their work is illegal).

Don't be an asshat when it comes to shitty, sex traffickers and their well-known practices, just because you some girls have GPS.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;3013965]No, maybe she just expected that she wouldn't have cut throat sex traffickers taking advantage of workers who don't have the full information of what they are signing up for.
Don't be an asshat when it comes to shitty, [b]sex traffickers and their well-known practices[/b], just because you some girls have GPS.[/QUOTE]Common sense is not so common. Amazing how some of the hookers can be just as gullible and not streetwise as some of the mongers in their own industry. Selling and buying pussy is not for the faint of heart. Sometimes you get the roses and sometimes you get the guns.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3013871]I really miss Luna Lunera. I haven't been since the pandemic. It brings back memories of 15 years ago when I would pop in there to unwind after sessions at Abydos across the street. I'm going to make a point of stopping in to check it out. I remember you could negotiate much cheaper prices when I went during daytime hours.[/QUOTE]The other day I wanted to reply to some post but could not remember the name of the place. Abydos was amazing back in the day. The best casa ever in my book. Had some really hot stunners but then it started to decline, sad.

Mr. Gringo Chicago85,

I'm going to continue to call out Gringos for their behavior, disrespect, arrogance, disregard towards culture, traditions, customs while in foreign lands. You or anyone else won't change that. If you are a respectful and responsible individual that acts like mature gentleman then obviously I'm not talking about you. Don't worry about things that don't concern you. People shouldn't get offended if they are not being referenced. I don't know you so I don't know how you act on the World's Stage. I hope that you would enjoy you travels and show respect to others. One of the main reasons I travel this way is to avoid the negative energy that is protracted by certain groups of people. I've seen it all and its not my type of crowd. That's why I prefer to travel to non tourist area but sometimes that can not be avoided depending on where I travel too. When I am in Asia the Gringos tend to tone it down a little but there still can be trouble. I hope this clears up some things. I personally don't have a problem with you, I'm just trying to make a point while using some sarcasm and words that get attention. I will leave you with this: Where ever you go in this World always show respect and treat people the way that want to be treated. It goes a long way and tends to break certain stereotypes and assumptions. Maybe the locals will say " oh he's not the others" and treat you with much respect and gratitude. Earn your keep!

[QUOTE=Turgid;3013790] probably senior moment on my part, but thanks anyway. [/QUOTE]Here it is.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2999440]Thanks for the offer.[/QUOTE]

I think Abydos shared ownership with Loutron. It really was solid for years and the location was convenient back before traffic in Medellin went crazy.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3013980]The other day I wanted to reply to some post but could not remember the name of the place. Abydos was amazing back in the day. The best casa ever in my book. Had some really hot stunners but then it started to decline, sad.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GreenBud;3013852]From my understanding, tussi, like coke, is prohibited, but not illegal. I know a local who said he spent the night in jail for simple possession. Not sure what penalty is for a gringo; but pay the bribe.

This is the key point. Possession for 1 gram is just possession; you don't get major "jail time". But with more than 1 gram, they can charge you with intent to sell; that is years in jail.

Never done meth. Tussi is approximately 70% ecstasy and about 28% ketamine. IMO, since you snort it, it should be relatively safe. I don't think you can OD from ecstasy. But if you do too much, you can get into the ketamine "rat hole". Also, you can get diarrhea. LOL!

Note that there are different types of tussi. You can tell by the color. It should be a dark pink. IMO, the light pink and the light purple colored stuff has more ketamine and junk and not enough ecstasy.

In Colombia, many girls do not like coke; many girls like tussi. Not sure of the percentages among civilians. But, the majority of the girls in Bogota's Santa Fe love tussi.[/QUOTE]When I was in El Centro a few weeks ago I sitting next to a girl who was snorting a like light pink powder off a tiny scoop.

You are spot on the tussi, they all started to use it as a "party "drug and got hooked on it. I talked to 2 pros while on it and working, they all seemed like they are hallucinating to some extent. I talked to them again at the end of the night, they didn't get any customers.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;3013852]From my understanding, tussi, like coke, is prohibited, but not illegal. I know a local who said he spent the night in jail for simple possession. Not sure what penalty is for a gringo; but pay the bribe.

This is the key point. Possession for 1 gram is just possession; you don't get major "jail time". But with more than 1 gram, they can charge you with intent to sell; that is years in jail.

Never done meth. Tussi is approximately 70% ecstasy and about 28% ketamine. IMO, since you snort it, it should be relatively safe. I don't think you can OD from ecstasy. But if you do too much, you can get into the ketamine "rat hole". Also, you can get diarrhea. LOL!

Note that there are different types of tussi. You can tell by the color. It should be a dark pink. IMO, the light pink and the light purple colored stuff has more ketamine and junk and not enough ecstasy.

In Colombia, many girls do not like coke; many girls like tussi. Not sure of the percentages among civilians. But, the majority of the girls in Bogota's Santa Fe love tussi.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3014157]You are spot on the tussi, they all started to use it as a "party "drug and got hooked on it. I talked to 2 pros while on it and working, they all seemed like they are hallucinating to some extent. I talked to them again at the end of the night, they didn't get any customers.[/QUOTE]I definitely avoid chicas that appear to be under the influence of Narcotics. I don't want the services they are offering. Even if a chica appears to be too drunk I want no part of it. I use to see this girl in Cartagena as a regular. She was cool but as soon as she got drunk her attitude changed and would talk with a slur. One time when we where in Medellin we were partying on the Chiva bus riding around town and she over did it with the alcohol. Another time we took a day trip to Guatape and she got smashed. LOL. When we went to the Medellin Botanical Gardens and had a picnic there we were drinking and everything was cool. That was one of the many great memories with her. Overall she was cool but at times like to get wasted.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3014192]I definitely avoid chicas that appear to be under the influence of Narcotics. I don't want the services they are offering. Even if a chica appears to be too drunk I want no part of it. I use to see this girl in Cartagena as a regular. She was cool but as soon as she got drunk her attitude changed and would talk with a slur. One time when we where in Medellin we were partying on the Chiva bus riding around town and she over did it with the alcohol. Another time we took a day trip to Guatape and she got smashed. LOL. When we went to the Medellin Botanical Gardens and had a picnic there we were drinking and everything was cool. That was one of the many great memories with her. Overall she was cool but at times like to get wasted.[/QUOTE]Many girls do take some sort of drugs, mostly marijuana because they can't afford tussi, before seeing a customer because they have to feel comfortable, at least not anxious and scared, sleeping with a stranger unless they know the person very well. Usually they do it before or in the bathroom before the sex.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3014192]I definitely avoid chicas that appear to be under the influence of Narcotics. I don't want the services they are offering. Even if a chica appears to be too drunk I want no part of it..[/QUOTE]Agree 100%.

#1 it just feels wrong.

#2 it rarely adds to the sexual experience, at least for us, that you might expect.

#3 the girls are more likely to 'go crazy,' misremember agreements, or take actions that could lead to hotel security or worse being called on you.

#4 the chances of the girl passing out in your bed when you want them to leave goes up. And that sucks.

Avoid, avoid, avoid.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3014354]Agree 100%.

#1 it just feels wrong.

#2 it rarely adds to the sexual experience, at least for us, that you might expect.

#3 the girls are more likely to 'go crazy,' misremember agreements, or take actions that could lead to hotel security or worse being called on you.

#4 the chances of the girl passing out in your bed when you want them to leave goes up. And that sucks.

Avoid, avoid, avoid.[/QUOTE]Every single point that you made is valid.

The tall man recently posted on Pattaya forum that he pays only 130,000 pesos for a working lady. Is this price correct?

His post: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=3013617&viewfull=1[/URL]#post3013617.

I saw a youtuber saying that Medellin has a gang that applies a chemical powder to your hands, then you get unconscious right on the street as soon as you touch those hands to your nose and the powder enters your nose, then those guys get you to a hospital and get your kidney out to sell it to someone. Sounds too dangerous to visit Medellin.

Need some insight about this.

Hey guys I started a new group to help each other out with women in Medellin: Medellíand women: Do's and don'ts.

It's a private group for men only. Please share and invite others to the group. Thanks.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/share/g/1T55AdCSgK/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3014045]Mr. Gringo Chicago85,

I'm going to continue to call out Gringos for their behavior, disrespect, arrogance, disregard towards culture, traditions, customs while in foreign lands. You or anyone else won't change that. If you are a respectful and responsible individual that acts like mature gentleman then obviously I'm not talking about you. Don't worry about things that don't concern you. People shouldn't get offended if they are not being referenced. I don't know you so I don't know how you act on the World's Stage. I hope that you would enjoy you travels and show respect to others. One of the main reasons I travel this way is to avoid the negative energy that is protracted by certain groups of people. I've seen it all and its not my type of crowd. That's why I prefer to travel to non tourist area but sometimes that can not be avoided depending on where I travel too. When I am in Asia the Gringos tend to tone it down a little but there still can be trouble. I hope this clears up some things. I personally don't have a problem with you, I'm just trying to make a point while using some sarcasm and words that get attention. I will leave you with this: Where ever you go in this World always show respect and treat people the way that want to be treated. It goes a long way and tends to break certain stereotypes and assumptions. Maybe the locals will say " oh he's not the others" and treat you with much respect and gratitude. Earn your keep![/QUOTE]I have been thousands of people through out my travels and one thing is certain: peope cannot be changed by others. I see idiots getting mad because the ketchup does not taste like the ones in America or they are waiting too long. These people will ***** and complain about everything. Better to find your won happiness the leave the fools alone.

Good hunt.

[QUOTE=Visal;3014379]The tall man recently posted on Pattaya forum that he pays only 130,000 pesos for a working lady. Is this price correct?

His post: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=3013617&viewfull=1[/URL]#post3013617.

I saw a youtuber saying that Medellin has a gang that applies a chemical powder to your hands, then you get unconscious right on the street as soon as you touch those hands to your nose and the powder enters your nose, then those guys get you to a hospital and get your kidney out to sell it to someone. Sounds too dangerous to visit Medellin.

Need some insight about this.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a BS story.

Not that Medellin is perfectly safe, but.

Was recommended this absolutely gorgeous (by Parque Lleras or any other standards) prepago in Medellin. Spinner, 22 yo (they all are LOL), 151-152 cm or something, with pair of small hard naturals. Interesting, moderately educated, not from the dirt-poor background.

Dresses to kill. I don't think I ever saw a woman showing up dressed as classy and as hot as what I saw when I opened the door for her for the first time. When I saw what other gringos in my building were getting it was like, dude, those chicas were not even close to being in the league with what I had with her.

Then, however, she shows up in the same high heels to the Museum of Modern Art where everybody dresses casually so it was like "sheeeeeet man!" LOL Effs well too. Could be pretty affectionate. Doesn't like to kiss much though and can provide you with varied degrees of drama. On the other hand, she's not going to BS you about "wanting to quit prepago" and be something else like most of them do. Let me open a secret that took me the whole day to uncover: "this is total BS!" Most of them are actually quite content of being prepagos despite feeding your ears with teary tales. Do you know why? Because since the 80's being prepago became somewhat fashionable among Colombian women. If you don't know that by now than I guess you haven't spoken to many people from economic levels 3 and up on how the man named Pablo changed Colombia in the 80's and how those changes still linger strong.

The other thing, the going rate is 300 cop. Period. Even for the hottest of them. They all ask for 4, they all agree to 3. Ok, almost all. If they like you, and / or think there might be a long-term arrangement in the cards for them with you, they'd stay the night. If they don't, they'd leave in about an hour, 2 max. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. Some guys try to whitenight their prepagos up to 4 or 5 or even 800 cop. This is BS imo. Keep the basic rate at street value. No Colombian man pays more than 200 COP, unless she's gorgeous and (more importantly) got a (real!) college degree and can talk the talk and walk the walk. Then it could go up to 1,000 COP or even more. But we won't be meeting that type of prepagos.

If at the end of your relationship with her you believe that she deserves more than what you gave her so far, give her generous tip then. Don't make it difficult for every newbie that comes to town. Trust me, your prepagos don't appreciate your whitenighting. When you're not around they giggle at you behind your back. It's like 100% no doubt.

The other thing, they all webcom stars! 3 out of 4 that I met on my trip to Colombia were making much more money webcoming then prepagoing. That was until I offer them my 300 cop with a lot of cool interesting things to do on the side, and the possibility of the long-term arrangement which of course would be significantly lower than 300 cop per day. Then right before I leave town I decide if I want her to feel that I was the greatest thing that she ever came across, financially speaking.

Now back to my gorgeous freaking model-level movie star like 22 year old. If anybody wants her contact info and I wouldn't feel like you're going to boost her rates up over 300 COP I share her contact info. Again, interesting, gorgeous, well-skilled possibly Ms. Medellin level but can be a bit of the drama queen sometimes. Oh yea, I forgot, pretty darn ok English by prepago standards too imo.

[QUOTE=Visal;3014379]The tall man recently posted on Pattaya forum that he pays only 130,000 pesos for a working lady. Is this price correct?

His post: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=3013617&viewfull=1[/URL]#post3013617.

I saw a youtuber saying that Medellin has a gang that applies a chemical powder to your hands, then you get unconscious right on the street as soon as you touch those hands to your nose and the powder enters your nose, then those guys get you to a hospital and get your kidney out to sell it to someone. Sounds too dangerous to visit Medellin.

Need some insight about this.[/QUOTE]The Tall Man probably pays that amount because he lives in Medellin and probably has a group of ladies he sees on a regular basis.

As to the other point, I think you're watching too much YouTube.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3014363]Every single point that you made is valid.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%.

It is not exciting hosting someone under the influence, even if drunk. If they are used to working under the influence, their chances of doing it raw increases (I don't do raw).

[QUOTE=Visal;3014379]The tall man recently posted on Pattaya forum that he pays only 130,000 pesos for a working lady. Is this price correct?[/QUOTE]I think you will not have access to what he has access to. It is easier to get a girl asking 400 to come down to 200 or 250 but it will be quite difficult or impossible to get a 250 girl down to 150.

This conversation in from several weeks ago from someone I see many times. Most girls have one or two problems, steal, late, . She has all the problems all other gils have except drugs. I only saw her the second time because she is very attractive but sex was horrible. Somehow she responded to me being nice, now she does everything and does not cause any problems during sex. LOL. I also know for a fact that she rejected other customers so she is selecting clients too.

[QUOTE=Nounce;3014521]I think you will not have access to what he has access to. It is easier to get a girl asking 400 to come down to 200 or 250 but it will be quite difficult to get a 250 girl down to 150.[/QUOTE]I never had a problem getting quality chicas in Colombia for 100 K-150 K. The problem with the Gringo mentality is that they are so predictable. The overwhelming majority hang around all the tourist areas where prices for everything is inflated. A lot of them are scared shitless to travel outside their Bubble and there lies the problem. That's why chicas are quoting 500 K-400 K or quoted in USD in these areas. I enjoy traveling across Colombia and it has its benefits, especially when you are in areas and cities where you see little to no foreigners on the local scene. Casas, Online Escorts, Freelancers and in the Clubs average 100 K-150 K and sometimes less if ST. These are facts. Don't expect English to be spoken there, That's when you know you're in the right place.

[QUOTE=Visal;3014379]The tall man recently posted on Pattaya forum that he pays only 130,000 pesos for a working lady. Is this price correct?

His post: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=3013617&viewfull=1[/URL]#post3013617.

I saw a youtuber saying that Medellin has a gang that applies a chemical powder to your hands, then you get unconscious right on the street as soon as you touch those hands to your nose and the powder enters your nose, then those guys get you to a hospital and get your kidney out to sell it to someone. Sounds too dangerous to visit Medellin.

Need some insight about this.[/QUOTE]From what I saw and experienced in my one week in Medellin it sounds very plausible. If you're there all the time, if she becomes one of your regulars, and the vibe is there, 130 K doesn't sound like something out of realm of possibilities even if she's super hot.

Think about it. She is stuck in Parque Lleras or in Centro sometimes for days without a client, or in front of the computer doing her webcom which from what I saw is a pretty work intensive endeavor for maybe 200-400 K / day and that is if you're really good. 130 K with a regular, with the vibe and probable access to his friends who would pay more is not that bad.

These chicks are not doing prepago because they're "hard workers". Those that I met seem to have hard time focusing on 15 min / day (quite effective) English language instructions on Duolingo. Why not chill with nice gringo for 130 K, and I bet he gets little or no time limit with them for that too.

[QUOTE=Andres901;3014413]I have been thousands of people through out my travels and one thing is certain: peope cannot be changed by others. I see idiots getting mad because the ketchup does not taste like the ones in America or they are waiting too long. These people will ***** and complain about everything. Better to find your won happiness the leave the fools alone.

Good hunt.[/QUOTE]You are "Spot On" with your observations!

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;3013367]
Sunflower Lecithin. This stuff comes in HUGE horse pills, and taste disgusting. But when paired with 25 MG of Zinc you will literally boost your cum production 5 x. I like to be able to paint a girls face proper. The more cum you make, the better your orgasm. Plain and simple.

PrEP. This is a prescription medication that is an ANTI-HIV / blocker. If you are barebacking girls in high volume (or any volume), I strongly recommend it.

DoxyCycline. This stuff in combination with PrEP is known to block almost all other STDs / STIS.

HPV vaccine. If you don't have this (it’s a series of 3 vaccines- fucking get it. Makes you immune to HPV..[/QUOTE]Can I get this stuff in Colombia?

I am pretty sure it is impossible to get this in the USA.

[QUOTE=MongerFriend;3014595]Can I get this stuff in Colombia?

I am pretty sure it is impossible to get this in the USA.[/QUOTE]You can get HPV vaccine in Colombia and it's a good idea. In the Yew Ess they won't give it to you if you are over I think it's 45. You can get doxycycline in Colombia and taking antibiotics prophylactically is a terrible idea and very selfish as I have outlined before. It advances antibiotic resistance in viruses and threatens your fellow humans. I guess it just depends how far you are willing to go for bareback pussy, but it's just flat out wrong.

[QUOTE=MongerFriend;3014595]Can I get this stuff in Colombia?

I am pretty sure it is impossible to get this in the USA.[/QUOTE]You can get all of this easily on Amazon. I've used it and it works wonders. Pygeum and Saw Palmetto are the other two supplements that I recommend. Your girl will look like a friggin' glazed donut LOL.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3014600]You can get all of this easily on Amazon. I've used it and it works wonders. Pygeum and Saw Palmetto are the other two supplements that I recommend. Your girl will look like a friggin' glazed donut LOL.[/QUOTE]I see the supplements but I do not see the drugs from the original thread on Amazon USA.

Paste links so that all of us can use it.

[QUOTE=MongerFriend;3014601]I see the supplements but I do not see the drugs from the original thread on Amazon USA.

Paste links so that all of us can use it.[/QUOTE]Online Pharmacies like "Blink Health". No doctor visit.

[QUOTE=MongerFriend;3014601]I see the supplements but I do not see the drugs from the original thread on Amazon USA. Paste links so that all of us can use it.[/QUOTE]

To clarify, in respect to the supplement, two medications and the vaccine that you asked about based on my recent post, I was quoting from a 2024 post by another Board Member and not necessarily endorsing his pretty extreme regimen. Also I think that Chicago 85 was chiming in only to share his positive experience with Sunflower Lecithin to boost semen production, not in respect to the other three items. The scientific studies on the efficacy of Sunflower Lecthin on one's creaming capacity remain limited with no demonstrated value, but we do have some enthusiastic anecdotal reports, as from Chicago85 and the Board Member I quoted.

In respect to availability in the US and Colombia.

1. Sunflower Lecithin: As Chicago 85 advised, readily available online or at most any store selling supplements. Here's a link to some brands on Amazon: [URL]https://www.amazon.com/s?k=sunflower[/URL]+lecithin&crid=QTSS5 MMFIE31&sprefix=Sunf%2 Caps%2 C178&ref=nb_sb_ss_p13 n-pd-dpltr-ranker_ci_hl-bn-left_2_4.

2. PreP (the daily prescription pill for the prevention of HIV) is readily available in the US and is covered by Medicare and many, if not most, private insurance programs. However, if you have to pay out-of-pocket the cost is many thousands of dollars per year. Although PreP was approved for use in Colombia in 2021, my understanding is that its availability remains quite limited, mostly through government and NGO HIV Aids prevention programs--and with a few private pharmacies participating in a pilot program. Maybe other board members have more up-to-date information.

3. DoxyCycline. An antibiotic for treatment of bacterial STDs (chlamydia, gonorrhea, and syphilis). Readily available on a prescription basis in the US, and in Colombia as well (possibly without a prescription). The guy I quoted was taking DoxyCycline on virtually a daily basis as a preventative measure when on mongering trips. Your family physician would no doubt strongly advise against this both on grounds of long-term side-effects and of bad citizenship (needless to say, one would hope, the promiscuous use of antibiotics can contribute to the serious societal problem of anti-resistant bacteria, including those causing your favorite STDs.).

4. HPV vaccine. Protects against a common virus that can cause certain cancers and genital warts. Officially just recommended for teens and young adults on the grounds that most all sexually active adults have been exposed to the virus at some point. However, per Google A. I. , even Medicare will reimburse the cost. Readily available both in the US (e.g. at CVS without a prescription) and Colombia.

As the poster I quoted acknowledged, at least some aspects of this regimen were probably wrecking his liver, but "no problema". Proceed at your own risk.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;3014628]To clarify, in respect to the supplement, two medications and the vaccine that you asked about based on my recent post, I was quoting from a 2024 post by another Board Member and not necessarily endorsing his pretty extreme regimen. Also I think that Chicago 85 was chiming in only to share his positive experience with Sunflower Lecithin to boost semen production, not in respect to the other three items. The scientific studies on the efficacy of Sunflower Lecthin on one's creaming capacity remain limited with no demonstrated value, but we do have some enthusiastic anecdotal reports, as from Chicago85 and the Board Member I quoted. [/QUOTE]Yes, I was just commenting on the supplements. I believe the other is a bit extreme unless you're going BBFS with multiple girls a day. And also I believe you will build up a resistance and could alter the strain of STDs in the community (to make stronger). 99% of the time I do covered FS.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3014528]I never had a problem getting quality chicas in Colombia for 100 K-150 K. The problem with the Gringo mentality is that they are so predictable. The overwhelming majority hang around all the tourist areas where prices for everything is inflated. [/QUOTE]That is why I said the poster does not have access to the girls TTM has access to. TTM specifically is talking about outcall in Medellin. You can get them even in the bubble for a much more reasonable rate too.

Medellin is a big city. There are plenty of places that are without gringos.

[QUOTE=Nounce;3014715]

Medellin is a big city. There are plenty of places that are without gringos.[/QUOTE]Very true, most mongers judge Medellin by El Poblado, Laureles etc. But Medellin is a city of 2. 5 million people, there is a lot to Medellin that gringos never experience. I recently moved from Manizales a city with almost no gringos to a barrio in Medellin with zero gringos, safe, quiet and a gold mine for less spoiled chicas.

[QUOTE=Nounce;3014715]

Medellin is a big city. There are plenty of places that are without gringos.[/QUOTE]Very true, most mongers judge Medellin by El Poblado, Laureles etc. But Medellin is a city of 2. 5 million people, there is a lot to Medellin that gringos never experience. I recently moved from Manizales a city with almost no gringos to a barrio in Medellin with zero gringos, safe, quiet and a gold mine for less spoiled chicas.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3014726]Very true, most mongers judge Medellin by El Poblado, Laureles etc. But Medellin is a city of 2. 5 million people, there is a lot to Medellin that gringos never experience. I recently moved from Manizales a city with almost no gringos to a barrio in Medellin with zero gringos, safe, quiet and a gold mine for less spoiled chicas.[/QUOTE]Without naming the barrio are there any casas in said barrio?

Went to zandalys in late May and if they were the fattest ugly chicks. Not sure what happened. They jacked up their prices and also their lbs. There used to be a daniela there so pretty also an alison. Gorgeous. Now all fuglies. I walked out with my boy neither of us liked anything and walked to conejitas. I hear adry is good but never seen her line up.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3005574]Casas have good days and bad days. In my opinion Zandaly used to be more consistent, especially back when Cata was managing it. Sexxy Amigas and even Aiffe have been more reliable in recent months. My opinion is based on 1 to 3 casa visits per week year round. It is a beautiful thing when you can hit a sweet spot of a casa with a good lineup. The places around Laureles are all around more reliable and only slightly more expensive than their Centro counterparts. If I were not an incorrigible Centro rat who like to be in striking distance of Botero Plaza I would probably frequent the Laureles joints more regularly.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElPostino;3013842]You see them in tons. Very loud, obnoxious and drunk. In New Life like casas after 1 pm. They come in groups and occupy the place for 3 or 4 hours. Heard locals complaining loud.[/QUOTE]You see loud, obnoxious gringos hanging around at VeraCruz area in Centro as well. There are some general characteristics among them. They have an aggressive and disrespectful attitude. They don't speak Spanish (or any foreign language). They always act in a group and seldom act alone. They don't have much knowledge about Colombia.

Locals hate them, and some hotels and bars prohibit them from entering.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3014528]I never had a problem getting quality chicas in Colombia for 100 K-150 K. The problem with the Gringo mentality is that they are so predictable. The overwhelming majority hang around all the tourist areas where prices for everything is inflated. A lot of them are scared shitless to travel outside their Bubble and there lies the problem. That's why chicas are quoting 500 K-400 K or quoted in USD in these areas. I enjoy traveling across Colombia and it has its benefits, especially when you are in areas and cities where you see little to no foreigners on the local scene. Casas, Online Escorts, Freelancers and in the Clubs average 100 K-150 K and sometimes less if ST. These are facts. Don't expect English to be spoken there, That's when you know you're in the right place.[/QUOTE]Quality chicas in Colombia the country is different from quality chicas in Medellin where most mongers visit for a short vacation. Most gringos only visit for a week or less so they don't have time to mess around in small towns or cities away from the big cities. Outside of Medellin, the price of everything is lower so you would expect girls to be willing to accept less. It is true that if you are visiting Park Lleras and expecting girls to accept 100 k, you will be waiting for a while or settling for girls who are below average looking or older. It is just supply and demand and there are a lot of men with money visiting Medellin because it is so close to Florida and New York. Should you visit the smaller cities when you are on vacation for less than a week? It is too much time and effort to find girls that you will like. But I would say 250 k to 300 k for a young attractive girl who will do what you want is not a crazy price for Americans who earn a good living and just visiting for a short time. Not everyone visiting is pinching their pennies and on a tight budget. There are a number of Westerners who have a decent amount of money and good jobs.

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I noticed this too recently. Based on what I've seen in recent weeks I would recommend to guys on short visits to veer toward the Laureles places until further notice. Also, Amigas Sexxy is always worth a look.

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;3014752]Went to zandalys in late May and if they were the fattest ugly chicks. Not sure what happened. They jacked up their prices and also their lbs. There used to be a daniela there so pretty also an alison. Gorgeous. Now all fuglies. I walked out with my boy neither of us liked anything and walked to conejitas. I hear adry is good but never seen her line up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;3014715]
Medellin is a big city. There are plenty of places that are without gringos. [/QUOTE]Yes I know. I've been in Medellin plenty times and and have been to barrios like that. That's my M. O. My whole thing is about traveling around Colombia, not just going to Medellin. It's about getting to know the Colombian culture, people, different regions and traditions. There is a lot more to see and do.

I was wondering what is allowed in the casas and what isn't.

For example, fingering, where I can touch, kissing, bare BJ etc.

Or is it a negotiation once you go into the room with your girl?

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3014796] Not everyone visiting is pinching their pennies and on a tight budget. There are a number of Westerners who have a decent amount of money and good jobs. [/QUOTE]I was responding to a post about chicas asking for 400 K and I commented about chicas in other cities and regions being 100 K-150 K. I'm definitely not one who pinches pennies, I don't need to. I can travel to any place on this planet that is allowed and that's 182 Countries. I have traveled to the other side of the World on multiple occasions. My travels are not about getting cheap pussy but mostly about the experience, the adventure, the culture and not to hang out with Gringo tourists, which some of them ruin shit. I don't know how many times that I have to say that. Getting reasonable good chicas at great rates is a by product of my type of travel and some of the places I go. I don't care about weekend warriors that don't get outside of Medellin and what people are limited to do because of their time. Not my problem. Let them keep going to Medellin and stay in Medellin. A lot of these guys are also afraid to leave their Gringo Bubbles and venture out and could care less about Colombian Culture as long as they have their drugs along with other things. Sounds like you're making excuses and feeling "some type of way".

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;3014795]You see loud, obnoxious gringos hanging around at VeraCruz area in Centro as well. There are some general characteristics among them. They have an aggressive and disrespectful attitude. They don't speak Spanish (or any foreign language). They always act in a group and seldom act alone. They don't have much knowledge about Colombia.

Locals hate them, and some hotels and bars prohibit them from entering.[/QUOTE]Your on point Blue Touch, I've also seen them hanging near that area by the Centro Comercial, sitting on those benches, drinking / drunk and Loud. Sometimes their listening to Reggaeton with them young chicas. They want to be seen and want attention. I guarantee you that they would not ever act like that in their Home Country.

[QUOTE=Nottymrme;3011931] Next day I went to New Life. Not my kind of place for the girls. I waited 45 mins and left. [/QUOTE]Damn, 45 minutes? Were they that busy? I don't think I ever heard of anyone waiting that long. Last time I went to New Life I was shown a line up within about 5 minutes after they gave me that spill about a "looking fee" if you don't decide on taking a girl.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3014733]Without naming the barrio are there any casas in said barrio?[/QUOTE]I don't know yet, I just moved here but if there is I'll find them even though I'm not much of a casa guy I still like to visit and occasionally partake. I like to find girls with a real job that need extra cash, some would call them semi-pros. When you live here there is no need for full time working girls, no need whatsoever.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3013871]I really miss Luna Lunera. I haven't been since the pandemic. It brings back memories of 15 years ago when I would pop in there to unwind after sessions at Abydos across the street. I'm going to make a point of stopping in to check it out. I remember you could negotiate much cheaper prices when I went during daytime hours.[/QUOTE]Luna Lunera is terrible. Went with GringoLoko. They want 30 mil for entry, and if you go in, you got to either buy a table, service a girl 250 mil / half or pay 100 mil for 3 beers per person, you can't just get 1 beer and chill.

[QUOTE=FlowState985;3015017]Luna Lunera is terrible. Went with GringoLoko. They want 30 mil for entry, and if you go in, you got to either buy a table, service a girl 250 mil / half or pay 100 mil for 3 beers per person, you can't just get 1 beer and chill.[/QUOTE]What is your take on the quality of the chicas?

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3014881]Your on point Blue Touch, I've also seen them hanging near that area by the Centro Comercial, sitting on those benches, drinking / drunk and Loud. Sometimes their listening to Reggaeton with them young chicas. They want to be seen and want attention. I guarantee you that they would not ever act like that in their Home Country.[/QUOTE]Some of them were kicked out of the area by local guys. They were told that they wouldn't be safe if they returned.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3015156]What is your take on the quality of the chicas?[/QUOTE]I went to Luna with FlowState and I'd say 90% were meh and then the 10% were like 7's and 8's which is 5 girls or less.

I'd rather go to Parque Lleras and have more options, better quality, and can negotiate the price.

No girls were dancing on the poles either. Seemed more like a brothel hangout spot than actual dancing and the music wasn't bumping or making the vibe any better.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3015156]What is your take on the quality of the chicas?[/QUOTE]They are 6 and 7's, I was there 2 weeks ago. I much prefer La Isla, but they are expensive. I just went for the show and the drinks with another guy. Some of the girls were stunning.

My conclusion from reading the posts by GringoLoko and Degenerate24 is that the chicas at Luna Lunera are not as hot as Parque LLeras girls but hotter than those one would meet in the casas. I have never been there but its on my 'to do' list on my next trip to Mde.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3015340]My conclusion from reading the posts by GringoLoko and Degenerate24 is that the chicas at Luna Lunera are not as hot as Parque LLeras girls but hotter than those one would meet in the casas. I have never been there but its on my 'to do' list on my next trip to Mde.[/QUOTE]I like Fase 2.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3015340]My conclusion from reading the posts by GringoLoko and Degenerate24 is that the chicas at Luna Lunera are not as hot as Parque LLeras girls but hotter than those one would meet in the casas. I have never been there but its on my 'to do' list on my next trip to Mde.[/QUOTE]I would say Luna Lunera is on par with casas, but Parque Lleras girls are hotter than Luna girls.

[QUOTE=Nottymrme;3014849]I was wondering what is allowed in the casas and what isn't.

For example, fingering, where I can touch, kissing, bare BJ etc.

Or is it a negotiation once you go into the room with your girl?[/QUOTE]As far as I know, no casas have rules regarding what you are asking about. It's up to the ladies to agree to your wishes or reject them. There's always a price for enhancements, and the ladies determine that price. It may be different for each customer.

[QUOTE=Nottymrme;3014849]I was wondering what is allowed in the casas and what isn't.

For example, fingering, where I can touch, kissing, bare BJ etc.

Or is it a negotiation once you go into the room with your girl?[/QUOTE]Usually there is a base price, which is sex with a condom. You can ask them at the desk when you come in, and they will give you a vague answer, like 30 minutes with the girl of your choice.

The girls then, in the room, try to get more $$ from you for DATY, kissing, oral sex, etc. If you do not speak Spanish you are at a severe disadvantage in negotiating in the room and will probably go away disappointed. Very sad, but it may no longer be worth the effort. This was my experience at Loutron, the last time I was there. The girls used to be more affectionate and try to satisfy you. Now it is a war zone, you have to fight for every inch on the battlefield, and pay $$ for ground gained.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3015340]My conclusion from reading the posts by GringoLoko and Degenerate24 is that the chicas at Luna Lunera are not as hot as Parque LLeras girls but hotter than those one would meet in the casas. I have never been there but its on my 'to do' list on my next trip to Mde.[/QUOTE]Based on my own experience, La Isla Gusto Parque Lleras Luna Lunera Casas. The same goes with the prices for company and drinks.

The place where Luna Lunera is located is somewhat dark and sketchy. La Isla is located inside of a compound on top the hill, it has its own restaurant adjacent to the main building.

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3015473]Based on my own experience, La Isla Gusto Parque Lleras Luna Lunera Casas. The same goes with the prices for company and drinks.

The place where Luna Lunera is located is somewhat dark and sketchy. La Isla is located inside of a compound on top the hill, it has its own restaurant adjacent to the main building.[/QUOTE]I would not second the motion about any particular order in places where you might find the more beautiful women, at least not to any great extent. Now I not familiar with La Isla, but all of the other places mentioned can have the whole range of beauty or attractiveness represented. I recall my first time at a well known casa. At about 11:15 in the morning, and the line up of around 30 girls included everything from runway model types, to classical beauties. Flacas, gorditas, and if someone couldn't find what they were looking for I would guess they were blind. Same with Luna Lunera, and of course in parque Lleras as well as Gusto. It is more about who is available when you are there, and in casas and clubs the attractive ones may be in a room with someone else at the time you are there. And in casas especially. If you go into one that has a roster of 25 girls, and when you are there there are only 2 or 3 available, then you really don't know anything else but most likely you are not seeing the most attractive ones.

You hit the nail on the head. It is all about who is available when you happen to be there. Some places have a core staff but all of them get girls coming and going and of course if you visit during prime time you are generally going to be presented with the girls no one else wanted.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;3015527]I would not second the motion about any particular order in places where you might find the more beautiful women, at least not to any great extent. Now I not familiar with La Isla, but all of the other places mentioned can have the whole range of beauty or attractiveness represented. I recall my first time at a well known casa. At about 11:15 in the morning, and the line up of around 30 girls included everything from runway model types, to classical beauties. Flacas, gorditas, and if someone couldn't find what they were looking for I would guess they were blind. Same with Luna Lunera, and of course in parque Lleras as well as Gusto. It is more about who is available when you are there, and in casas and clubs the attractive ones may be in a room with someone else at the time you are there. And in casas especially. If you go into one that has a roster of 25 girls, and when you are there there are only 2 or 3 available, then you really don't know anything else but most likely you are not seeing the most attractive ones.[/QUOTE]

I used Seeking to build up a roster ahead of my 3-week Medellin trip. Here are the stats so you can decide if it's worth it to pay for the monthly subscription:

Girls messaged: 102.

Girls who agreed to FS + extra services + the final rate: 8.

Dates set up: 3.

"Successful" encounters: 2.

Flakes: 1.

Percent success: 2%.

"Successful" in quotation marks because both encounters did have the girl in the photos show up, but both times the girl was not as attractive as her photos. Maybe a point lower. They still provided all the negotiated services. The 1 flake was partially my fault because although we agreed on a date and time, the day of the date, I didn't follow up with her because I was not enthusiastic about it after my previous 2 dates with the 2 Seeking girls.

After these 2 sub-par encounters, I just focused my energy on Parque Lleras and the clubs in that area since my best experiences were with girls in these areas and my Airbnb was about 2 blocks from the area so extremely convenient.

Some lessons learned from Seeking:

1) Get their Whatsapp only AFTER you've agreed to the services and price in messages on Seeking. It's such a huge waste of time getting their Whatsapp only to find out they don't agree to what you want to do or they quote you an extremely high price.

2) Girls were quoting between $100 - $250 per date not including paying for their taxi.

3) If using Seeking, I would start maybe a week before your trip. It gives girls who don't use Seeking all that much more time to respond. I started two weeks ahead of my trip and that seemed too long because a few of the girls asked if I was already in Medellin plus the chemistry I built with some of the girls during our initial conversations died down by the time I arrived in Medellin.

This was what I was quoted during my July trip:

Seeking: $100 - $250.

Parque Lleras: $90 - $125.

Sky Park: $125. $220 for 2 hours.

Glow: $125.

Gustos: $300 (2 hrs).

Just for reference, I'm a 5'6 Brown Asian guy in his late 30's who dresses well and speaks Spanish. You might get different rates if you're just using Google Translate, look sloppy, or if you're an attractive young white guy who's not overweight.

[QUOTE=Belisaj;3015660]1) Get their Whatsapp only AFTER you've agreed to the services and price in messages on Seeking. It's such a huge waste of time getting their Whatsapp only to find out they don't agree to what you want to do or they quote you an extremely high price.[/QUOTE]A couple of problems with that are that some sites will ban you if you do such things. Another reason is that as you stated below, people may not be on the site often or your subscription may run out. So it is better to get the whatsapp as soon as possible and worry about other stuff later.

[QUOTE=Belisaj;3015660]3) If using Seeking, I would start maybe a week before your trip. It gives girls who don't use Seeking all that much more time to respond. I started two weeks ahead of my trip and that seemed too long [/QUOTE]To me hooker shit is more spur of the moment like ordering a pizza. You do not call up the pizza place 2 weeks in advance to deliver a pie 2 weeks from now. They may be out of pepperoni or closed for the holiday. Trying to line up hookers ahead of time is like herding cats. She could be on her period, or some other guy may have caught her before you arrived or she could be out of town.

If you do start ahead of time, then just do it a couple of days in advance and act like you are already there and want to meet up but too busy at the moment.

Weird, I didn't think when I wrote this I realize how fast a decade would go by. We might complain about prices but they haven't jumped that much in the whole scope of things.

I think the biggest change is communication, apartment rental prices and resuturants / food and convience.

To think when I first came here, you couldn't make a phone call thru whatsapp. They had to use Skype to facetime with someone (barely any iphones the locals had, even the working girls).

Rappi made things 10 x easier cause before that delivery without speaking the lanauge (my spanish has improved to advanced since then).

Getting take out was a nightmare back then and zero online ordering.

The girls see WAY more gringos then before but the rates aren't as nuts as it seems unless the girl is like super new like 18 then they ask for like 500 K off the bat.

Performance-wise, they do more oral natural now then they did before and more of them will take a facial.

Oh, also Taxi and ubers are MUCH easier. Uber didn't operate here and when it did it was underground and you had to hide from the taxi and police you were using one (hence the front seat stuff).

Oh and before I forget, there was NO tunnel from the airport into Poblado! So it was like 1+ maybe 1 1/2 each time you had to leave! (and god forbid you were driving behind a huge truck on those turn arounds and the driver was a grandma, you were taking 2 hours to get there at peak).

But yeah, its still the hotest girls on the planet that you can fuck for the best prices with mininal airfare to get to and you live pretty comfortably.

Apartment prices truly suck. I was paying $500 a month for a fully hooked up spot in Poblado, now its like $1300-$1500.

Take care! Lets see what another 10 years brings.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1694468]130 k + 100 K tip (Over tipped fucked up cause I was fresh off the plane and big head had all the blood).

First stop went to Energy. It was late Saturday and there was only 2 girls working. I chose Francine. She's 26 5 3 with bolt ONS and tight lipo abs. Had to tip Extra for BBJ and kisses but worth it. Good massage and super tight vag. I was soo egar when she hopped on I was a 2 pump chump. I laughed with joy and she totally got it. I think I over tipped that night but I was fresh off the plane and didn't care. I hadn't boned in weeks!

120 K.

Next up went went an independents Casa. Laura. She's 27, Body and pics were real. She just got her ass done as well. Lots of kissing, passionate. Cover BJ but it was fine. She gave me the Reds beer stuff and I relaxed. She was Super into it, muy GFE. She was a 9 but the face was about a 7. 5. She did the strip tease, and was just in the moment. Her pussy is soo fucking pretty! Like one of those innie pussys where you can barely see any labia. She gets on top and keeps looking at the mirrors (vanity). Covered BJ. Lots of spitting and ball sucking. She gets on top first, sooooo tight! Fuck she was riding like a super pro. We switch it up, Did the slow passionate deep pounding as well as the fast hard doggy. I wasn't allowed to slap her ass though because she just had it done. What was weird though was when I Was pounding her hard she somehow slapped mine! I thought she wanted me to stop but she just liked it really deep an rough. We made out while she jerked me to completion on her man made perky tits. Her tits weren't cartoon just the right amount of silicone. She was also very clean and both hygentic. We showered and the thing that was cartoon was her huge fat injected ass!

300 K.

Ordered some take out. Francesca. She's about 23. She showed up on time. WOW! Her looks! She is a fucking knock out 10. She was wearing this all white draped dolly dress. It had so many holes but it stopped at the stomach and showed how flat and toned it really was. She was about 5 9 115 lb with no heels on. Skinny with Bolt ONS but done in proportion. Slamming tight ass. About 3/4 inch of thigh gap. She caught me off guard though when she got to my apartment she tells me how some working girl got murdered in my building by a crazy venizeulain dude and thrown off the balcony! Then she asks if I'm single. Weird. I am but that's odd. She tells me she has a BF yada yada. I dunno. We have a drink. She does this weird thing were when she takes a drink she blows up her cheeks like a blowfish and holds the drink for 9 seconds before swallowing. She did this with 2 cans of red so it took a minute just to get to the biz. (No clock watching) She gets close to me, staring at my eyes like a lover, long and deep with no words said. 15 seconds no talking felt like forever. She would not kiss on the lips so, so much for that Romance. She kisses me everywhere else. She gets topless, holy fuck her body is. A sculpture. After walking around naked and letting me film it. (Which BTW she asked me to delete but I bait & switched my phone and showed her a different phone so I got to keep all the pics!) got her in the bed, peeled off her undies with her small hip bone pertruding. I had to munch that amazing tight box. She has a beautiful pussy, the type that makes the front page of reddit. Performance wise She was half into it half not. I did all the techniques but I could tell her mind wasn't there. She did a covered BJ even after I said I'd tip her. Nope cover only! Her performance was semi mechanical. Did all positions. When I was fucking her I pulled off the rubber and she let me finish on her stomach and tits and jerked it to completion all over her. After she showered she stayed longer (almost 2 1/2 hours instead of 90 min) enjoying all the music I was showing her and company. She left and I sent her on her way.

130 K + 50 K tip.

Went back to energy late Tuesday night This time. Amazing line up. It was between two and I chose Angela. She was only 19 years old!! An all natural spinner. Small tits and ass. Holy Fuck was she amazing!! So much chemistry. Could take a dick hard and gave a great massage. I remember nailing her doggy and I couldn't take it and had to pop in the rubber. She was dope. I'll definitely see her again with one of her friends. No kissing on the lips, though and it was covered BBJ which I didn't care about cause she was doing everything right.

110 K.

On a Saturday afternoon I ventured to Blue Room. This is like a generic energy. The line up had all types though. Most of which were from a 2- a 6. 8. I was in the mood for a big tit but in hindsight should have taken the tall skinny one who was laughing, I could tell her personality was better. Went with a sort of thick natural tits on. Face was cute but could def loose some weight. She was half mechanical half into it. No kissing on the lips but half way thru a few peaks. I could tell when we started she tried to make me cum fast but I wasn't going to let it go that easy. She did jerk me and let me shoot like a 8 roper on her tits! She said don't get her face but accidents happen.

150 k + 50 k tip.

Went to another independent. Wow!

Celeste. She's about 25. I showed up wow what a knock out! Fake tits with the lipo and butt injections but it all went together with her and her personality. We start lots of kissing, making out. She goes straight for the Johnson. I start finger her and she lets me go all the way in. It was like vaginal vice grips. Whoa look out! Big hard errect brown nipples contrast with her white pale skin, there begging for attention. She loved it when it was bitten too. Grabs the rubber and its covered BJ but lots of ball licking like almost excessive. She gets into doggy and this big beautiful paisa ass is just jiggling just right. We go to all the positions. She was getting tired and I let her jerk me. Totally pro and did a little tounge action. I nut and hit her whole 36 dd chest and face. She cleans up, we talk. There's time left. She has such a fun cool great personality and gives me a massage the rest of the time. Telling her jokes in broken spanish she is really a great person. She even wants to give me some more head and fuck more. We do but I couldn't cum cause she and I were both too tired. We shower, I get dressed, instead of kicking me out right away we hang out in her penthouse. It has an amazing view from the roof. Some more making out, then I'm in the kitchen for water and her roomate comes home! I semi hide by the fridge and the roomate sees me. It's not a big deal. Her roomate goes to her room, then we just make out in the kitchen and I fingerbang her g spot till she cums while holding her face in my chest so she muffles the sound of he orgasim. I walk out right away slowly and don't turn back. She says "call me" in Spanish. Pimp shit. (Side note she calls me to hang out at this event on Saturday).

130 K.

So I'm doing well with independents and I decide to see this chick in Laurles. She gets to the door. She is 21 years old. Wow her face what a knock out! 9 in the face, a nice pair of + 2's and a nice round ass. Her stomach, she had a kid and it shows a little but nothing that her pretty face can't distract you from. She has a lot of tats on her and is sort of semi gothy but still colombian. She speaks English pretty good. The apartment isn't that amazing and the bright light was a bit harsh in the room. She starts kissing me, super passionate like we are lovers. Grabbing for my knish, I get her undressed, holy fuck! Smoking. We just kiss and make out for 10 min then she gets the rubber. Sucks me and plays with the huevos. Then she climbs on top. We start going. Then she's riding faster and faster and she cums. I go to change positions and I notice she is really wet. As she gets off she looks, and goes "OOH" turns out she bleed on me. She is super embarrassed and there is blood on my thigh and all over the condom and a bit on my balls. She goes over to the shower, grabs a towel and soap and cleans me off. She is soo embarrassed. She heads to the shower for like 10 min to get really clean. She comes back says we can start again. I didn't know what I wanted but her pretty face was just soo captivating. We're semi dressed and she starts to give me a massage. Speaking with her she is smarter then the job she has. We are having a vibe and I tell her the incident will make for a funny story. She's still embarrassed but then laughs and kisses me. She goes out of the room to get more condoms. We make out more then start again. I go to fuck her and check for blood the first couple of thrust. Nothing. So I'm we're both I to it. She loves getting choked and spanked so I do it at the same time (at the same damn time) I keep going the just as I'm about to cum I rip the rubber off and shoot it on her face and tits. She was awesome and stroked it and smiled. She laughs some more cause it was like a 9 roper and everywhere! We clean up, shower and make out some more. She gives me her real name and real number. I go out the door and she grabs me and does a DFK that last 10 seconds. We have been chatting ever since. She gave me her real name and real #, we text on whatsapp. She asks to want to see me free, I was super surprsed. I met near the mall of hers. We had lunch and wound up just making out. The next day I went over to her apartment and hung and boned for a couple hours. I did give her some $ though which she didn't ask for but I knew she wanted. I know the school she is in and work in a similar field. I gave her some tutor lessons and in turn she has been sleeping with me for no money. We are very honest and her good english makes it easy to communicate with. Anyway I think she is pretty close to a semi novia.

110 K.

Decided to try another casa, it's the one near Las Palmas but I forgot the name.

There was some guys a head of me and they got the best pick. I was patient and opped for this light carmel skin girl with a pretty young face and braces. Boy what a great choice though. She was 24, Her tits were a little floppy from having a kid but damn she was super passionate. At first it was just a massage. The room was sort of shitty cause it was in the basement but all the other rooms were being used. It was a nice room just small. So we go in, and then she starts looking at me. "Super linda" ahh hermosa. Then plants one on me like I was her boyfriend that she hasn't seen in a month! We get going, she gives me head with no condom without asking. She is attacking my dick like a champ. We get to boning. All positions. Despite her having a kid her pussy is super tight and she was dripping wetness (no lube) I couldn't take it and finish doggy. After she does more massaging and then even another suck! Perfect, I say listo and then we wrap it up. In the shower she was beig playful and was trying to suck on my balls. Super hot.

150 K.

Independent, angel. Wow ok so I get to this chicks place in Poblado. She was 26, The Apartment was a little hard to find and luckly my uber driver had a sister who lived in the same build! Small world. I get to her place, hmmm she had a little joan rivers little thing going on but hte body was super tight! Had like nice see implants but they felt a little weird, sort of like they were implants under the bone so you could feel it but it was deep inside if that makes sense. Her stomach and ass were super tight. I'll admit the surgery face took a bit of time to get used to, its not super bad but just noticeable. Anyway we get down to business. She looks at my eyes and the ususal paisa response and gets super into it. Kissing and kissing and kissing. I mean we must have kissed for 10 min straight before any clothes came off. We get all our clothes off, I look to the side of the bed and see 2 wand vibrators. She says "those are my toys. " ok cool this was a preview. I take off her clothes and she has a gorgeous tight beautiful pussy. I rub the clit and then get a finger inside. She is in heaven. She grabs for my dick and throws me on the bed. Out comes the rubber. I ask for sin cover but no, she is NOT doing that. I think ok. The head is actually pretty good. She then looks at me and then does this sexy cool wink fuck. She licks and sucks the balls then it's time to fuck. We start in doggy and she is tight and wet. I then turn her over, missionary. Mmm lots of kissing but then, she reaches for her toys. She has 2 wands. One battery, one plugs in. She goes for the plug in and puts it right on her clit. Wow, my dick is inside her but we aren't pumping as she is getting her self comfortabe with the wand on her dick. The vibrations feel soo good for both of us. We fuck inbetween her getting off. She keeps doing it over and over and eventually. Bam! She squirts!! Wow. A real life squirter. It was somewhere in between a gush and a stream. She keeps cumming and I feel the pulse. Again. Bam more squirting!! She is super into all of this. She says she has more so we go again. BAMM squirt city! We changes positions, she gets on top. I can see her paisa perfecta pussy as she grabs the wireless wand. It's less powerful but she is also running out of steam. She wants the leche and jerks me off onto her tits and it hits her chin. She laughs, we shower together. She starts showing me pics of her son and we kick it for another 45 min. Not a clock watcher and just really chill. She is so awesome that I see her the next day! It was a repeat of the service only better and this time I just finished in the condom. Only problem was the 2nd time she had to leave early so we couldn't hang. I thought it was BS for another client but she got dressed with me and left the apartment together with me.

130 K I had her 150 K but never got back change (bad on my part).

The hipster in me likes the Indies, I go to See Agatha. She was 21 years old. This was a mistake. I get to her apartment in Las Palams. She keeps me waiting almost 45 minutes. The elevator was out of order or something and I had to hoof it up 9 flights of stairs. I get to the door, she opens it. Not bad, I can't tell if th photos were real or not or just heavly photoshoped. I can tell the whole apartment is being used by differnet girls. As soon as I get to the room, she ask for the money. OK I tae care of her. She had on a whole lingeria get up. She takes it off and then once her stomach is reveal and large 6 and a half inch see section scare is revealed. She obviously had the kid within the last 6 months she the scar is still somewhat fresh. I try to look away but it's just ehhh. SHe only does small kisses. She has nice small implants which I like but the rest of her set is about as mechanical as jiffy lube. It's going thru the motions and I could tell the whole time she was not in the moment at all. She goes a covered BJ, its actually pretty good and smooth but she wants to fuck. Gets lube, hops on top. I can tell her whole mission is to make me cum as quick as possible. I sense that and I make sure I last. She was totally trying to get me to cum in 30 seconds. She was a little frustrated, we changed positions. She has her eyes wide open the whole time and keeps checking to make sure the condom is still on. She do a couple more positions. I finally nut in the rubber. After I shower and I straight up as her. How long have you been doing this? Are you new? She says yes 4 months now. I told her she didn't seem all there. She and I both knew this isn't the job for her. She agreed with him and I left. It's just what I love is finding someone who is in't this and she was totally not that type of person.

Had some dates with 4 non pro Paisas. All very different.

First one was from Cupid. I totally didn't remember what she looked like as I just text every single girl in my phone who's name I put Medellin. We agreed to meet. Holy shit! In person she is a smoke shop! She's 27 but looks 21.8. 5! And her personality was super chill. She's a hipster chick that's not really the traditional plastic girl but she still works out a lot. Her stomach was tight as fuck!! We had a real date which ment no hooking up the first time (that's the culture for regular girls here, it's ironic considering how many raging working girls there are roaming these streets) we did do lots of petting and got pretty wasted. Smoked a bit. I hung out with her again but this time it felt I dunno somehing was off. One thing that bothered me was after we had lunch. I go to the ATM and leave her be. I come back and there is this tall gringo who she is talking to. She says it's her friend I greet them. She says that her girlfriend met on Cupid and that's her BF. I was like hmm the only thing that bothered me was when we left he said "ok by baby" the baby shit set off red flags and ever since I have been thinking she is a pro. I haven't hit it and we only kissed once, I asked to see her during a lunch break and never get a response. I'm 90% sure she is a pro. I'm dying to find out, not because I want to catch her and be like "ahh hhhha" but more like "hey be honest before I just waste money on drinks an dinner with no play".

2nd one was a webcam girl I managed to meet from Myfreecams. First off getting a number off there is impressive, 2nd is getting one without tipping! I accomplished Both and it will prob never happen again! She's 20 years old. I want to fuck her friend who is popular in Mfc but Had turned me down soo many times. Her friend is new so Easy target. I met her at the mall, took her for mall food and she loved it. Lots of stares and glances. She is sort of gothy but sweet. She wouldn't kiss after but I could tell she wanted to. I planted the seed and said "I know paisa don't kiss on the first date" she said yes. So I said the 2nd date. I walked away. Text her where to meet me in 5 minutes. She comes we go into a corner. Hard core making out. I grab her plum ass hard!. It was too risky for a public BJ so I stuck my fingers in her mouth and in Spanish "you will taste this off my dick soon" I left after that. The Follow up visit is tonight and she been texting me all types of shit so I'll let you know how this one goes.

3rd.

I made friends with locas here and my friend has been fucking this cute paisa girl he met in Poblado. On a whimp I went out that night with him and I said "it's ususally the nights you don't plan on going out that are the best" Boy I couldn't be more right. We meet her and her friend at Eco bar in Poblado. They are there already half lit. This girl is fucking smoking hot! She has her hair tied in a tight slicked back pony tail, petite about 5 2 but with a bad ass attitude she's 28 but looks 21. She is one of those girls that can be tough but also sweet. She has a plump small ass with small tits to match. Her face is like looking into pure beauty. We imedelty click and my friend is helping translate. We hang out at another hipster bar and they go to the bathroom to do blow. I'm not really into drug chicks or drugs for that matter but I understand it's sort of her way of unwinding. They get back, and she chanllenges her friend to kiss in front of us. They have been doing this but then she uses it as a cue for her to kiss as well. She taughts me into kissing her and I go FULL in. WoW she is a fucking amazing kisser and doesn't hold back. She kept doing some paisa things, like backing off and then coming full circle. It's all part of the hard to get culture here. I'm cool with it. We get pretty drunk and are making out hard core in the club. She does not like any advancement towards the lower body and makes it clear with a firm "NOO" jajajaja. Some more making out and she wants to keep partying. My friend has work the next day so we have to leave. I knew it was best because there wasn't going to be any fucking that night if we got a room so I called it a night and paid for thier taxi home. We made plans the following week and even did the each day follow up. She assured me she was coming. I show up. Nothing. I'm not mad, this is just hte paisa way of dating. They are more flakey then Tony The tiger. I been trying to call but ahh it's like eventually it willl or won't happen. No big deal.

4th one.

100% wifey material. I met her thru instagram. We talked and facetime for a while. Finally met in person. HOLY FUCK! A 1-10 she is fucking 10000000. She's 22 She comes from money, has a passport / visa and is in med school. DOesn't drink or smoke and lives in dope building in Poblado with just her mom. Let me say, she is the full package of perfect. We have good chemistry but her school keeps her super busy. I thought it was bullshit but I saw her schedule and even visited her at her school once. SHe is very focused and a real good girl. We went out for sushi, and got really close to kissing the first night. I gave her a peck on her neck and she smiled then ran my fingers down her back. It's been difficult to see each other but I also think she has a novio on the side. Also there is conflict because I am a gringo and she doesn't' want people thinking she is a prepago. It's a tough stigma but I get it. I been having to back off but only to not seem too intrested. I got to play it cool if she really is a true pocahontas.

So the Photos I tried to upload them as best I could. Obviously the ones at the casa where hard but it goes as follows.

1 Laura.

2,3 Francesca.

4 Celeste.

5,6 Angel.

7 The first Date Non pro.

8 3rd date.

There ya go boys. I know I don't have many nudes Ill see what else is on my phone but enjoy and happy mongering![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Belisaj;3015660]Some lessons learned from Seeking:

1) Get their Whatsapp only AFTER you've agreed to the services and price in messages on Seeking. It's such a huge waste of time getting their Whatsapp only to find out they don't agree to what you want to do or they quote you an extremely high price.[/QUOTE]Discussing prices on Seeking can get you banned; it's been against their policy for years now. I never risk it and only discuss prices off-site.

[QUOTE=Belisaj;3015660] Some lessons learned from Seeking:

1) Get their Whatsapp only AFTER you've agreed to the services and price in messages on Seeking. It's such a huge waste of time getting their Whatsapp only to find out they don't agree to what you want to do or they quote you an extremely high price.

2) Girls were quoting between $100 - $250 per date not including paying for their taxi. [/QUOTE]

1) Take care..... as another used stated, you should NEVER discuss the services and pricing in the app. That will get both you and her banned. If they were reticent to discuss there, that is why.

2) Historically I've been able to counter with an offer a little over 1/2 as much and get agreement for 2/3 of their original ask, unless it was seriously low off the bat.

[QUOTE=Belisaj;3015661]This was what I was quoted during my July trip:

Seeking: $100 - $250.

Parque Lleras: $90 - $125.

Sky Park: $125. $220 for 2 hours.

Glow: $125.

Gustos: $300 (2 hrs).

Just for reference, I'm a 5'6 Brown Asian guy in his late 30's who dresses well and speaks Spanish. You might get different rates if you're just using Google Translate, look sloppy, or if you're an attractive young white guy who's not overweight.[/QUOTE]Seeking is a hit or miss and I can agree to what you mentioned about 'building up' the chemistry ahead of time. But most of the time girls will asked you right away if you are in Medellin, if you say no, then they will move on and you will not hear from them again even when you arrive in Medellin. Some of them, will respond way too late even after your trip LOL. It does takes some work and patience for seeking to work. I've met lots of amazing girls from that platform who are now part of my roster and regularly sees them when I'm in Medellin. I get the same rate and they continue to meet my needs.

Keep in mind that your success rate will depend the 'sooner' you meet the girls because they like the idea of a 'quick cash' and how much you can offer them. I don't use seeking as often as it used to be because it is now flooded with simps that pays above the standard rate.

I still visit Parque lleras every now and then if I wanted some new pussy. The talent is still there and will never disappoint. Best time to go is weekend nights, but you will find some gems during weekdays evening. My advice is to go there between 1:00 am and 3:00 am. You will have better chances on negotiations and I already mentioned this on my earlier reports.

[QUOTE=Belisaj;3015661]This was what I was quoted during my July trip:

Seeking: $100 - $250.

Parque Lleras: $90 - $125.

Sky Park: $125. $220 for 2 hours.

Glow: $125.

Gustos: $300 (2 hrs).

Just for reference, I'm a 5'6 Brown Asian guy in his late 30's who dresses well and speaks Spanish. You might get different rates if you're just using Google Translate, look sloppy, or if you're an attractive young white guy who's not overweight.[/QUOTE]I can confirm the above as well, minus the seeking as I don't use seeking. Funny, I thought Gustos was $300 for 1 HR, I didn't bother to ask how long after I got quoted $300 multiple times while having a peek at Gustos.

BTW you can take a peek inside in most places if you talk to the bouncers nicely. I almost didn't pay cover in most places.

P.S.

I agree Spanish is definitely helpful if you are planning on avoiding gringo prices and get better deals in general, even a bottle or a table at most places.

Awesome trip report. I always stay in Laureles and kept wondering if your Laureles girl was someone I have seen but I think not.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1694468]130 k + 100 K tip (Over tipped fucked up cause I was fresh off the plane and big head had all the blood).

First stop went to Energy. It was late Saturday and there was only 2 girls working. I chose Francine. She's 26 5 3 with bolt ONS and tight lipo abs. Had to tip Extra for BBJ and kisses but worth it. Good massage and super tight vag. I was soo egar when she hopped on I was a 2 pump chump. I laughed with joy and she totally got it. I think I over tipped that night but I was fresh off the plane and didn't care. I hadn't boned in weeks!

120 K.

Next up went went an independents Casa. Laura. She's 27, Body and pics were real. She just got her ass done as well. Lots of kissing, passionate. Cover BJ but it was fine. She gave me the Reds beer stuff and I relaxed. She was Super into it, muy GFE. She was a 9 but the face was about a 7. 5. She did the strip tease, and was just in the moment. Her pussy is soo fucking pretty! Like one of those innie pussys where you can barely see any labia. She gets on top and keeps looking at the mirrors (vanity). Covered BJ. Lots of spitting and ball sucking. She gets on top first, sooooo tight! Fuck she was riding like a super pro.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3015776]I can confirm the above as well, minus the seeking as I don't use seeking. Funny, I thought Gustos was $300 for 1 HR, I didn't bother to ask how long after I got quoted $300 multiple times while having a peek at Gustos.
[/QUOTE]Yeah I talked with one of the girls I sessioned with two years ago at Gustos when I ran into her again this past trip in Gustos and that $300 price tag shocked me at first also but then she clarified that it's for 2 hours and that it's standard across all the girls in the club.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;3015768]I don't use seeking as often as it used to be because it is now flooded with simps that pays above the standard rate.[/QUOTE]Based on the research I did, Seeking seems a little above the standard rate since you also have to pay for her round-trip transportation if you get a girl from Seeking versus girls already in Parque Lleras but it's not too crazy compared to what the girls in Gustos are charging. I think there was only one girl in Gustos who I saw that was maybe worth that 2 hours for $300 but with all the high-quality girls just out roaming Parque Lleras outside, there's really no need to.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;3015768]I still visit Parque lleras every now and then if I wanted some new pussy. The talent is still there and will never disappoint. Best time to go is weekend nights, but you will find some gems during weekdays evening. My advice is to go there between 1:00 am and 3:00 am. You will have better chances on negotiations and I already mentioned this on my earlier reports.[/QUOTE]Agree with you 100% on this. Parque Lleras is the spot. Just so many high-quality options. The nice thing too is that Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights, you don't need to go early like in Bangkok or Pattaya where the best girls get taken before midnight. Sure you're getting someone's sloppy seconds, but usually if a high-quality girl gets taken early before midnight, she usually comes back after the session and keeps working until maybe 4 am.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;3015708]Oh, also Taxi and ubers are MUCH easier. Uber didn't operate here and when it did it was underground and you had to hide from the taxi and police you were using one (hence the front seat stuff.[/QUOTE]Oh that's still a thing. Most Ubers have heavy tinting so cops don't notice someone in the back seat, but on heavy policing days (they know when) they will still ask you to sit in front.

I know its been mentioned before but I can't seem to find it. What are some good short time places near Parque LLeras?

In no particular order, here are my top 5 barrios to go non-pro / semi-pro hunting. I am speaking from personal experience. If you're on the younger side, speak Spanish, know the city well. Take up the challenge and you'll be rewarded fully. I do cold approaches, day time and night. Example from Experience: If I need a haircut, I'll hit up a spot with pretty hair stylists, chat up a conversation, get her number, and go from there. It's not for everyone and it most of all, it takes time and patience. Anyways, here's my list:

Aranjuez.

Belen.

Castilla.

Manrique.

Robledo.

Not giving away specific spots, you got to go do some research!

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3014723]Very true, most mongers judge Medellin by El Poblado, Laureles etc. But Medellin is a city of 2. 5 million people, there is a lot to Medellin that gringos never experience. I recently moved from Manizales a city with almost no gringos to a barrio in Medellin with zero gringos, safe, quiet and a gold mine for less spoiled chicas.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;3015920]I know its been mentioned before but I can't seem to find it. What are some good short time places near Parque LLeras?[/QUOTE]Probably because there are none I have ever heard of. Not near Lleras, and as far as I know not any in Poblado, although Poblado is a big area. But lots of posts about the various motels in areas not far from Poblado.

Everything you wrote is true in my experience Rice Rocket. The most meaningful bit is that it takes time. You have to remember many if not most of the people who read this don't have time to be hanging around barrios. I think the next best realistic option would be the tried and true tactic to hit the casas and get the contact details of girls who strike your fancy. It's never going to be as rewarding as mining and grooming girls in the barrios but it has the advantage of filtering out bad physical connections and girls who are looking for nights out with no strings attached. Even guys who are here for a month or more at a time it's not easy to connect with girls outside the venues.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;3015932]In no particular order, here are my top 5 barrios to go non-pro / semi-pro hunting. I am speaking from personal experience. If you're on the younger side, speak Spanish, know the city well. Take up the challenge and you'll be rewarded fully. I do cold approaches, day time and night. Example from Experience: If I need a haircut, I'll hit up a spot with pretty hair stylists, chat up a conversation, get her number, and go from there. It's not for everyone and it most of all, it takes time and patience. Anyways, here's my list:[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FlAdventurer;3015782]Awesome trip report. I always stay in Laureles and kept wondering if your Laureles girl was someone I have seen but I think not.[/QUOTE]Well it's been a decade so everyone on this list has aged out or retired from the game. But maybe from the past perhaps. Its funny at the time I had no idea about the layout of the hotels, but it turned out she just worked out of Acropolis. Which we all know is a known working girls hotel. One time for a bit in 2017 I booked it as an airbnb not knowing any better and I was like "wait this address. ".

Forgot to mention Buenos Aires! And not the one in Argentina hehe.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;3015932]In no particular order, here are my top 5 barrios to go non-pro / semi-pro hunting. I am speaking from personal experience. If you're on the younger side, speak Spanish, know the city well. Take up the challenge and you'll be rewarded fully. I do cold approaches, day time and night. Example from Experience: If I need a haircut, I'll hit up a spot with pretty hair stylists, chat up a conversation, get her number, and go from there. It's not for everyone and it most of all, it takes time and patience. Anyways, here's my list:

Aranjuez.

Belen.

Castilla.

Manrique.

Robledo.

Not giving away specific spots, you got to go do some research![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Belisaj;3015854]Yeah I talked with one of the girls I sessioned with two years ago at Gustos when I ran into her again this past trip in Gustos and that $300 price tag shocked me at first also but then she clarified that it's for 2 hours and that it's standard across all the girls in the club.[/QUOTE]Yeah. I don't think that's standard LOL.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3016020]Yeah. I don't think that's standard LOL.[/QUOTE]I was getting $200-$300 quotes in Gustos last week. I left so quick.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;3015932]I'll hit up a spot with pretty hair stylists [/QUOTE]I like it. This is smart and good thinking outside the box.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;3015932]Anyways, here's my list:
Aranjuez.
Belen.
Castilla.
Manrique.
Robledo.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the information. I'll check these spots out.

I will say that I ventured up to the main shopping mall in Bello last month and was pretty disappointed with the quality of women. I was expecting them to be more attractive, considering the fact that when I meet a lady at a club or bar in the more common areas of Medellin from Bello, these women are super attractive. Maybe I need to do more exploring in Bello to find the right spots, but the talent at the mall was nothing special.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3015920]I know its been mentioned before but I can't seem to find it. What are some good short time places near Parque LLeras?[/QUOTE]I believe you are referring to "hotel Lleras premium", it is right across the park between the clubs.

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3016058]I believe you are referring to "hotel Lleras premium", it is right across the park between the clubs.[/QUOTE]I've stayed there a few times and as far as I know it is not a short term place, unless it had a room available and you booked it for a full day. It is a cheaper place to stay than most hotels in that area, but can be noisy as it faces the street coming into Lleras, and also the park with rooms on that side, and has a common wall with Gustos on the back.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;3016078]I've stayed there a few times and as far as I know it is not a short term place, unless it had a room available and you booked it for a full day. It is a cheaper place to stay than most hotels in that area, but can be noisy as it faces the street coming into Lleras, and also the park with rooms on that side, and has a common wall with Gustos on the back.[/QUOTE]Perhaps the post I had read the guy rented a cheap hotel in Parque LLeras for nocturnal activities but stayed elsewhere. After countless trips to Medellin and having stayed all over the city I have acquired a preference for Laureles.

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper1;3016036]I like it. This is smart and good thinking outside the box.

I appreciate the information. I'll check these spots out.

I will say that I ventured up to the main shopping mall in Bello last month and was pretty disappointed with the quality of women. I was expecting them to be more attractive, considering the fact that when I meet a lady at a club or bar in the more common areas of Medellin from Bello, these women are super attractive. Maybe I need to do more exploring in Bello to find the right spots, but the talent at the mall was nothing special.[/QUOTE]Indeed quite a few working girls come from Bello. But keep in mind that Bello is considered by most people from Medellin to be one of the most dangerous parts of Medellin right now. Manrique used to be that back in the days with Pablo, but right now Manrique isn't that bad anymore and I can understand why RiceRocket99 put it on his list. Sure, one of the biggest Medellin gangs is still from Manrique but in general I don't think it's necessarily a place to avoid anymore, just use general caution. But Bello, personally I avoid it, but all depends of course on your risk profile.

[QUOTE=Medclubber;3016148]Indeed quite a few working girls come from Bello. But keep in mind that Bello is considered by most people from Medellin to be one of the most dangerous parts of Medellin right now. Manrique used to be that back in the days with Pablo, but right now Manrique isn't that bad anymore and I can understand why RiceRocket99 put it on his list. Sure, one of the biggest Medellin gangs is still from Manrique but in general I don't think it's necessarily a place to avoid anymore, just use general caution. But Bello, personally I avoid it, but all depends of course on your risk profile.[/QUOTE]I'm glad most people here stay away from Bello. Please keep it that way. There are so many Bello spots I can mention, I'm going to shut up now hehe. BTW. Bello is not part of Medellin at all, it's its own city and municipality of roughly 600 k people.

Most people that spend money ridiculously, wrecklessly are people that earn it lawlessly. Now this doesn't mean the don't have great jobs. It just means they may not be law abiding during tenure at the great job. So the money technically is not theirs. So technically they don't care about there job, hence they don't care about greatness of mongering out the country which is getting pretty p**sy for cheap. Now this is just a wild summation, doesn't apply to all, could be nonsense, but it could be very much on appoint, might make you think and say hmmm.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3014876]I was responding to a post about chicas asking for 400 K and I commented about chicas in other cities and regions being 100 K-150 K. I'm definitely not one who pinches pennies, I don't need to. I can travel to any place on this planet that is allowed and that's 182 Countries. I have traveled to the other side of the World on multiple occasions. My travels are not about getting cheap pussy but mostly about the experience, the adventure, the culture and not to hang out with Gringo tourists, which some of them ruin shit. I don't know how many times that I have to say that. Getting reasonable good chicas at great rates is a by product of my type of travel and some of the places I go. I don't care about weekend warriors that don't get outside of Medellin and what people are limited to do because of their time. Not my problem. Let them keep going to Medellin and stay in Medellin. A lot of these guys are also afraid to leave their Gringo Bubbles and venture out and could care less about Colombian Culture as long as they have their drugs along with other things. Sounds like you're making excuses and feeling "some type of way".[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Medclubber;3016148]Indeed quite a few working girls come from Bello. But keep in mind that Bello is considered by most people from Medellin to be one of the most dangerous parts of Medellin right now. Manrique used to be that back in the days with Pablo, but right now Manrique isn't that bad anymore and I can understand why RiceRocket99 put it on his list. Sure, one of the biggest Medellin gangs is still from Manrique but in general I don't think it's necessarily a place to avoid anymore, just use general caution. But Bello, personally I avoid it, but all depends of course on your risk profile.[/QUOTE]Also keep in mind that Bello is a large city in its own right with over 500,000 people. While a good part of Bello is certainly dangerous, there are some areas that aren't that bad.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;3016171]I'm glad most people here stay away from Bello. Please keep it that way. There are so many Bello spots I can mention, I'm going to shut up now hehe. BTW. Bello is not part of Medellin at all, it's its own city and municipality of roughly 600 k people.[/QUOTE]Don't worry I'll stay out of Bello. I would rather have the Bello hotties come fuck me and hang out in my luxury airbnb during my 2 week trips. After 2 weeks I'm ready to get back to the first world.

I would like to find some prepagos and semi-pros on Facebook when I'm in Medellin next month, but I don't really know what to search for or where to begin. If anyone would let me know how to get started in my search, I would really appreciate it. If you don't want to post it in the forum, would you please message me? Thank you in advance for any help or advice.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;3016171]I'm glad most people here stay away from Bello. Please keep it that way. There are so many Bello spots I can mention, I'm going to shut up now hehe. BTW. Bello is not part of Medellin at all, it's its own city and municipality of roughly 600 k people.[/QUOTE]I know people from barrios like Manrique who are afraid to go Bello. I'm (pretty) sure you won't get robbed the first time you go there, maybe not at all, but I know people who got assaulted there, one is lucky to be still alive. If you do need to get the max bang out of your buck and want to find the cheapest pussy, I'd advise to go to barrios like Manrique or Buenos Aires. But even that comes with a risk. Personally I prefer to pay a bit more and not go there at all but to each their own of course. It all depends on your risk profile and the need to get the max out of your buck.

[QUOTE=GoFourIt;3016347]I would like to find some prepagos and semi-pros on Facebook when I'm in Medellin next month, but I don't really know what to search for or where to begin. If anyone would let me know how to get started in my search, I would really appreciate it. If you don't want to post it in the forum, would you please message me? Thank you in advance for any help or advice.[/QUOTE]You can do a search for Facebook. There are multiple posts that tell you how to get started. BTW, I'm fairly sure you can't receive private messages.

I feel sorry for people who live in Buenos Aires. The change there since the pandemic is really striking. It used to be a relatively calm residential area. Nowadays, the main drag surrounding the Buenos Aires tram station is a miniature version of la 45 in Manrique. It's miniature in size only because the volume of noise, drugs, and petty crime has reached the same level as Manrique. It's good fun as long as you don't have to live near it.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;3015968]Forgot to mention Buenos Aires! And not the one in Argentina hehe.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;3016206]Don't worry I'll stay out of Bello. I would rather have the Bello hotties come fuck me and hang out in my luxury airbnb during my 2 week trips. After 2 weeks I'm ready to get back to the first world.[/QUOTE]The discussion was about places to go to meet local girls that are not in the 'game' in Poblado / Laureles. Girls that would not be in the circle that visits your 'luxury' airbnb (though I bet the ice maker still doesn't work). Bello does have safe commercial centers, areas, etc. But Bello (especially up the mountain side) is also a place where girls order cars to / from their front door and try not to walk the area too often.

[QUOTE=GoFourIt;3016347]I would like to find some prepagos and semi-pros on Facebook when I'm in Medellin next month, but I don't really know what to search for or where to begin. If anyone would let me know how to get started in my search, I would really appreciate it. If you don't want to post it in the forum, would you please message me? Thank you in advance for any help or advice.[/QUOTE]One trick is to look up in Facebook businesses that prepaga girls frequent, and you will see them as 'followers'. Then add them to your profile. Facebook will then start recommending other girls in their circle. Before you know it, they are dozens of new recommendations daily.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3016478]The discussion was about places to go to meet local girls that are not in the 'game' in Poblado / Laureles. Girls that would not be in the circle that visits your 'luxury' airbnb (though I bet the ice maker still doesn't work). Bello does have safe commercial centers, areas, etc. But Bello (especially up the mountain side) is also a place where girls order cars to / from their front door and try not to walk the area too often.[/QUOTE]RR said he looks for semi pros too. If they are charging they will come to me for a little extra. Almost all my girls are semi pros from FB or insta.

I spent the last 2 days reading 52 pages on here which is surprisingly only goes as far as March but still have a few questions as a first timer in Medellin who has only hobbied overseas in Costa Rica 4 times now since 2023.

1st is it a mistake staying in a hotel / apt called Loft 43 in Laureles? Would it be an issue for me if I were to meet a girl in either Parque Lleras or Botero Plaza and have them make the 15-20 minute uber ride to my hotel? I'm not a fan of the short term rooms in my experience. I'm a young guy but am an early sleeper 11:30 is late for me and would hate to be woken up by the clubs down in Lleras.

As far as the Casas are there any in particular that have primarily or specialize in women under say 28 or 25?

Anyone wanting to drop gems via inbox my USG account is LofterB.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;3016508]RR said he looks for semi pros too. If they are charging they will come to me for a little extra. Almost all my girls are semi pros from FB or insta.[/QUOTE]That is because you buy them Victoria Secret panties and also because you bring panties that you can wear for them /.

Have some buddies in town so yesterday around 5 we went downtown and did the centro circuit. As always about 90 percent of the girls we came across are no gos, but bam we found two girls that just arrived from venezuela last week, so literally fresh off the bus. Both 22, cute as buttons, one a redhead spinner and the other a little fuller but piercing green eyes and a beautiful face. We grabbed some beers with them at one of the bars to loosen things up then headed back to the airbnb my friends were renting in Laureles. I hung out with them for awhile then bolted to let them pair up. Both friends said girls were great, total GFE.

Tonight after dinner in provenza, we took the walk down to the park around 10, did a few laps then saw a group of 4 girls, none of which I had ever seen before in parque lleras. Bello girls who said they don't come down to the park very often but rent coming due for them coming up next week so here there were. My buddies liked 2 of them, as the other two were a little on the heavy side, so they made their deals with them and headed back to their place early, and I headed home.

[QUOTE=Lofter;3016551]I spent the last 2 days reading 52 pages on here which is surprisingly only goes as far as March but still have a few questions as a first timer in Medellin who has only hobbied overseas in Costa Rica 4 times now since 2023.

1st is it a mistake staying in a hotel / apt called Loft 43 in Laureles? Would it be an issue for me if I were to meet a girl in either Parque Lleras or Botero Plaza and have them make the 15-20 minute uber ride to my hotel? I'm not a fan of the short term rooms in my experience. I'm a young guy but am an early sleeper 11:30 is late for me and would hate to be woken up by the clubs down in Lleras.

As far as the Casas are there any in particular that have primarily or specialize in women under say 28 or 25?

Anyone wanting to drop gems via inbox my USG account is LofterB.[/QUOTE]I think I have stayed at the Loft place that you mention. They suck and will not let you have visitors. I think its only allowed during daylight hours if you are lucky. Get an Airbnb that is clear on allowing guests.

Your friends applied the Centro rat's technique. You have to put in the time to find those pearls of the plaza.

[QUOTE=MaxLee88;3016581]Have some buddies in town so yesterday around 5 we went downtown and did the centro circuit. As always about 90 percent of the girls we came across are no gos, but bam we found two girls that just arrived from venezuela last week, so literally fresh off the bus. Both 22, cute as buttons, one a redhead spinner and the other a little fuller but piercing green eyes and a beautiful face. We grabbed some beers with them at one of the bars to loosen things up then headed back to the airbnb my friends were renting in Laureles. I hung out with them for awhile then bolted to let them pair up. Both friends said girls were great, total GFE.

Tonight after dinner in provenza, we took the walk down to the park around 10, did a few laps then saw a group of 4 girls, none of which I had ever seen before in parque lleras. Bello girls who said they don't come down to the park very often but rent coming due for them coming up next week so here there were. My buddies liked 2 of them, as the other two were a little on the heavy side, so they made their deals with them and headed back to their place early, and I headed home.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lofter;3016551]I spent the last 2 days reading 52 pages on here which is surprisingly only goes as far as March but still have a few questions as a first timer in Medellin who has only hobbied overseas in Costa Rica 4 times now since 2023.

1st is it a mistake staying in a hotel / apt called Loft 43 in Laureles? Would it be an issue for me if I were to meet a girl in either Parque Lleras or Botero Plaza and have them make the 15-20 minute uber ride to my hotel? I'm not a fan of the short term rooms in my experience. I'm a young guy but am an early sleeper 11:30 is late for me and would hate to be woken up by the clubs down in Lleras.

As far as the Casas are there any in particular that have primarily or specialize in women under say 28 or 25?

Anyone wanting to drop gems via inbox my USG account is LofterB.[/QUOTE]Loft 43 is NOT monger friendly. That is to say it isn't possibile to have some incall and bring back chicas however that will require some fenagalling with the security. There are better places in Laurrles that will let you do your thing without all the nonsense.

[QUOTE=Belisaj;3015854]Yeah I talked with one of the girls I sessioned with two years ago at Gustos when I ran into her again this past trip in Gustos and that $300 price tag shocked me at first also but then she clarified that it's for 2 hours and that it's standard across all the girls in the club.[/QUOTE]Are we talking dollars here??

[QUOTE=Belisaj;3015661]This was what I was quoted during my July trip:

Seeking: $100 - $250.

Parque Lleras: $90 - $125.

Sky Park: $125. $220 for 2 hours.

Glow: $125.

Gustos: $300 (2 hrs).

Just for reference, I'm a 5'6 Brown Asian guy in his late 30's who dresses well and speaks Spanish. You might get different rates if you're just using Google Translate, look sloppy, or if you're an attractive young white guy who's not overweight.[/QUOTE]Are these prices in US dollars?

[QUOTE=Jim0129;3016763]Are we talking dollars here??[/QUOTE]Si, you are correct. Dollars.

[QUOTE=Lofter;3016551]1st is it a mistake staying in a hotel / apt called Loft 43 in Laureles? Would it be an issue for me if I were to meet a girl in either Parque Lleras or Botero Plaza and have them make the 15-20 minute uber ride to my hotel? I'm not a fan of the short term rooms in my experience. I'm a young guy but am an early sleeper 11:30 is late for me and would hate to be woken up by the clubs down in Lleras.
[/QUOTE]Staying in Laureles because you are worried about the noise in Park Lleras is like staying in Orlando because you are worried about the noise in Miami. Plenty of places in Poblado you can stay in where noise isn't an issue. There's even a neighborhood on the bottom of Poblado called Manila that has quiet hours after 11 pm. Personally, I find Laureles near 70 way louder / way later than Park Lleres ever gets. Now, the answer to the long 15-20 minute cab ride, no girls won't really mind, and you will be buying a uber home too. But it will be a pain.

I have been to Brazil several times, Costa Rica, Thai etc. , But have been always wanting to go to Colombia but my research is not giving me the right needed info for a first timer.

Before anyone gets negative, I have spent over 10+ hours RTTF. But unfortunately, it didn't help much.

Can you experts help.

1. I like going to a club / Casa / house and having drinks, checking where it has 20-30+ girls in the bar, pick them, and then go to a room onsite, finish and then come back to the bar and check out the next. Is there a thing like that.

2. what is the best mongering. Pick up action. (I have seen several youtube videos of Parque Lleras & Provenza and it all looks like a great partying / clubbing area). I don tlike to pick from the street, take them to the room etc. , etc. , so are there places like that in Colombia?

3. basically: Brazil, Sao Paulo, or Rio has nice clubs that you can stay at a place, meet 100's of girls all in 1 place. Does such a thing exist in Medellin or Colombia?

Thank you all.

[QUOTE=MRusa007;3016912]
Before anyone gets negative, I have spent over 10+ hours RTTF. But unfortunately, it didn't help much.
[/QUOTE]I hate when people come in and just lie through their teeth about doing research. There is no way you can read this forum for "10 hours" and not have answers to the basic questions you are asking. They were literally talking about Luna Lunera (a hugely popular strip club that fits your desired pickup style), Gustos, and glow a few pages ago. Next time, just admit you are lazy.

Next time, start with the basic research you can find on online websites. Girlsheavens / wikisexguide / etc. All have basic information about the "scene" and give you a good starting point for club / brothel names and locations. With those names, come here and search the forum to read more about it. Usually you can find more granular information or places that are under the radar here just by searching for keywords since reports often contain comparisons and trip reports to other places.

Note: this should not dissuade the newbies that actually come to ask relevant, clarifying questions about culture, how to pickup, current costs, where to stay, etc. Just tired of the standard "I read 500 pages of the forum and I couldn't find any information". I almost prefer the 1 post newbie who says "I want to come to Medellin and get my dick wet. Can you find a pussy for me and help me put it in?

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;3016932]I hate when people come in and just lie through their teeth about doing research. There is no way you can read this forum for "10 hours" and not have answers to the basic questions you are asking. They were literally talking about Luna Lunera (a hugely popular strip club that fits your desired pickup style), Gustos, and glow a few pages ago. Next time, just admit you are lazy.

Next time, start with the basic research you can find on online websites. Girlsheavens / wikisexguide / etc. All have basic information about the "scene" and give you a good starting point for club / brothel names and locations. With those names, come here and search the forum to read more about it. Usually you can find more granular information or places that are under the radar here just by searching for keywords since reports often contain comparisons and trip reports to other places.

Note: this should not dissuade the newbies that actually come to ask relevant, clarifying questions about culture, how to pickup, current costs, where to stay, etc. Just tired of the standard "I read 500 pages of the forum and I couldn't find any information". I almost prefer the 1 post newbie who says "I want to come to Medellin and get my dick wet. Can you find a pussy for me and help me put it in?[/QUOTE]I tried my best to make notes as a "newbie to this country". So I couldn't follow by reading the messages. But thanks a ton on this website "Girlsheaveans". Wow. Clearly made my day. Very easy and I like the structure that helped me immediately to get oriented. Thank you.

[QUOTE=MRusa007;3016912]I have been to Brazil several times, Costa Rica, Thai etc. , But have been always wanting to go to Colombia but my research is not giving me the right needed info for a first timer.

Before anyone gets negative, I have spent over 10+ hours RTTF. But unfortunately, it didn't help much.

Can you experts help.

1. I like going to a club / Casa / house and having drinks, checking where it has 20-30+ girls in the bar, pick them, and then go to a room onsite, finish and then come back to the bar and check out the next. Is there a thing like that.

2. what is the best mongering. Pick up action. (I have seen several youtube videos of Parque Lleras & Provenza and it all looks like a great partying / clubbing area). I don tlike to pick from the street, take them to the room etc. , etc. , so are there places like that in Colombia?

3. basically: Brazil, Sao Paulo, or Rio has nice clubs that you can stay at a place, meet 100's of girls all in 1 place. Does such a thing exist in Medellin or Colombia?

Thank you all.[/QUOTE]For question 1. Does not exist in Medellin. Casas don't have bars where you pick girls up. Strip clubs would be the closest as they mostly have on-site rooms available, but they are not like a hotel bar with girls, etc.

2. You can pick up girls from the streets, but generally not from bars with the exception of a few places like Gustos or a couple in the Parque Lleras area. Not saying it could not happen in other bars, but it would be more like one-offs.

3. No, see 1.

Answers for Medellin:

1) New Life.

2) New Life.

3) New Life.

Just tell a taxi driver to take you there.

You are welcome.

[QUOTE=MRusa007;3016912]I have been to Brazil several times, Costa Rica, Thai etc. , But have been always wanting to go to Colombia but my research is not giving me the right needed info for a first timer.

Before anyone gets negative, I have spent over 10+ hours RTTF. But unfortunately, it didn't help much.

Can you experts help.

1. I like going to a club / Casa / house and having drinks, checking where it has 20-30+ girls in the bar, pick them, and then go to a room onsite, finish and then come back to the bar and check out the next. Is there a thing like that.

2. what is the best mongering. Pick up action. (I have seen several youtube videos of Parque Lleras & Provenza and it all looks like a great partying / clubbing area). I don tlike to pick from the street, take them to the room etc. , etc. , so are there places like that in Colombia?

3. basically: Brazil, Sao Paulo, or Rio has nice clubs that you can stay at a place, meet 100's of girls all in 1 place. Does such a thing exist in Medellin or Colombia?

Thank you all.[/QUOTE]

I don't go often but I've been to quite a few strip clubs. In my experience they all have rooms on site. If the original poster was exaggerating about "hundreds of girls" then he won't be overly disappointed with the strip club experience. As for casas with bars, there are a few like Zandaly and Amigas Sexxy where the girls hang around the bar. Mostly it's a presentation model where the girls file out of the back room one by one.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;3017002]For question 1. Does not exist in Medellin. Casas don't have bars where you pick girls up. Strip clubs would be the closest as they mostly have on-site rooms available, but they are not like a hotel bar with girls, etc.

2. You can pick up girls from the streets, but generally not from bars with the exception of a few places like Gustos or a couple in the Parque Lleras area. Not saying it could not happen in other bars, but it would be more like one-offs..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zeos1;3017002]For question 1. Does not exist in Medellin. Casas don't have bars where you pick girls up.[/QUOTE]Of course it does. My favorite place in Medellin is Fany's Place Clle 61 #53-08. You sit aroubd and drink and shoot the shit with the chicks then you take them to the room for 50 K if you want. Closes at 6 pm.

[QUOTE=MRusa007;3016912]Brazil, Sao Paulo, or Rio has nice clubs that you can stay at a place, meet 100's of girls all in 1 place. Does such a thing exist in Medellin or Colombia?[/QUOTE]What you are looking for is the last 3 in this post but they don't have room on site.

[QUOTE=Belisaj;3015661]This was what I was quoted during my July trip:

Seeking: $100 - $250.

Parque Lleras: $90 - $125.

Sky Park: $125. $220 for 2 hours.

Glow: $125.

Gustos: $300 (2 hrs).[/QUOTE]



There are roughly 3 different perspectives on price shown. The first are the men who refuse to pay the price. Next are the men pay the asking price and they usually get all the girls, including the hottest ones. The last one are the men who get some of the girls but paid half. LOL.

The closest thing to the high end clubs in Brazil probably is La Isla which has been mentioned too. It has room on site but it's more a strip club setup. The price is fixed. It is more like a clip joint. You won't find the high end classy clubs that you would find in Brazil. There are exactly 2 clubs that you can find 100 girls and they both are in Sao Paulo.

[QUOTE=Nounce;3017084]What you are looking for is the last 3 in this post but they don't have room on site.





There are roughly 3 different perspectives on price shown. The first are the men who refuse to pay the price. Next are the men pay the asking price and they usually get all the girls, including the hottest ones. The last one are the men who get some of the girls but paid half. LOL.

The closest thing to the high end clubs in Brazil probably is La Isla which has been mentioned too. It has room on site but it's more a strip club setup. The price is fixed. It is more like a clip joint. You won't find the high end classy clubs that you would find in Brazil. There are exactly 2 clubs that you can find 100 girls and they both are in Sao Paulo.[/QUOTE]What about Hong Kong Club in Tijuana. At night there are easily over 100 girls, many of them very hot. It has an attached hotel and restaurant too.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;3017103]What about Hong Kong Club in Tijuana. At night there are easily over 100 girls, many of them very hot. It has an attached hotel and restaurant too.[/QUOTE]OP seems to imply club in Rio has that many girls so I was clarifying in all Brazil there are only two clubs in Sao Paulo have that many girls.

[QUOTE=Nounce;3017084]The last one are the men who get some of the girls but paid half. LOL.[/QUOTE]That is me since I have never met a chick I had to have.

[QUOTE=Nounce;3017084]There are exactly 2 clubs that you can find 100 girls and they both are in Sao Paulo.[/QUOTE]This begs the question of how many he plans on fucking if he needs 100 chicks in the same place. Maybe it is just his fantasy to see them. All that leads to is decision paralysis. Gets down to this one needs to be 1 inch taller. Or that one should not have that mark right there. Soon he will be saying there was nothing he liked out of the 100 he wanted to see.

[QUOTE=MRusa007;3016912]I have been to Brazil several times, Costa Rica, Thai etc. , But have been always wanting to go to Colombia but my research is not giving me the right needed info for a first timer.

3. basically: Brazil, Sao Paulo, or Rio has nice clubs that you can stay at a place, meet 100's of girls all in 1 place. Does such a thing exist in Medellin or Colombia? .[/QUOTE]As someone who has been to Medellin and Sao Paulo quite a bit, I'd say Fase II is the closest that you'll get to a Scandallo or Casarao (with rooms), although still a far cry from them.

Fase II is fundamentally a strip club, but it has evolved to be higher end than it used to be a less in your face. There are generally 60-80 girls, usually quite attractive, and there are rooms (actually 'south beach' style cabanas) onsite in the building next door. I haven't been in 2+ years, but it's a nice set up. Essentially a higher end strip club, but not all girls dance and most will socialize around, chat with you, kiss, lap dances, etc. They have leather couches / chairs, and you can buy a bottle for a reasonable amount, at least you used to be able to. The girls all dress similarly, but other than that there is generally a good variety. The music is decently load and people will frequently dance in the corners on busy nights. Lastly, prices are fixed. So in that way it's different from SP Clubs.

Check out reviews as well as look at IG and Google Maps.

Was anyone in Parque Lleras this past Saturday July 26?

I heard there was an operation that went on the in the parque?

What happened and did it scare any chicas away or was everything as normal?

I was not there. Those operations in and around Parque Lleras are regular events. The police rout minors (there is a still a curfew for them), confiscate drugs, and pose for the cameras.

[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3017204]Was anyone in Parque Lleras this past Saturday July 26?

I heard there was an operation that went on the in the parque?

What happened and did it scare any chicas away or was everything as normal?[/QUOTE]

I guess a way to help understand why such clubs don't exist in Colombia is to consider how much higher the populations are in Mexico and Brazil.

[QUOTE=Nounce;3017108]OP seems to imply club in Rio has that many girls so I was clarifying in all Brazil there are only two clubs in Sao Paulo have that many girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3017211]I guess a way to help understand why such clubs don't exist in Colombia is to consider how much higher the populations are in Mexico and Brazil.[/QUOTE]
Sao Paulo metro area: 22 million.
Medellin metro area: 4 million.

Sao Paulo's population is 5. 5 times larger than Medellin's.

[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3017204]Was anyone in Parque Lleras this past Saturday July 26?
I heard there was an operation that went on the in the parque?
What happened and did it scare any chicas away or was everything as normal?[/QUOTE]Police activity is common and frequent; it doesn't affect things in general. In theory makes things safer. Girls keep coming.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3017211]I guess a way to help understand why such clubs don't exist in Colombia is to consider how much higher the populations are in Mexico and Brazil.[/QUOTE]Also Brazil is a MUCH wealthier country than Colombia. The average salary in Brazil is $21,000 / yr versus $13,000 / yr in Colombia and this is even more pronounced if you look at Sao Paulo versus Bogota or Medellin.

Colombia is basically run by 5-10 families depending on who you talk to.. not much flows down. Brazil, while still being Latin and having a concentration of wealth, is more socialist and diverse in terms of income distribution.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3016872]Staying in Laureles because you are worried about the noise in Park Lleras is like staying in Orlando because you are worried about the noise in Miami. Plenty of places in Poblado you can stay in where noise isn't an issue. There's even a neighborhood on the bottom of Poblado called Manila that has quiet hours after 11 pm. Personally, I find Laureles near 70 way louder / way later than Park Lleres ever gets. Now, the answer to the long 15-20 minute cab ride, no girls won't really mind, and you will be buying a uber home too. But it will be a pain.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the sarcasm and have made arrangements to stay at an Airbnb in north east poblano. Any other tips you can bestow into me?

My idle schedule is once I'm setup in my Airbnb to head over to Plaza Botero early afternoon for lunch while scoping a gem out there and take them back to my spot send them on their way before heading to lleras that evening to see the choices there. Overall I would like to just see the same 2-3 girls and try some of the notable casas mentioned here.

Lastly is it out of line to tell any girl that I bring back to my spot that I need to search their belongings to make sure they don't have scopolamine or anything like that on them?

[QUOTE=Lofter;3017315]I appreciate the sarcasm and have made arrangements to stay at an Airbnb in north east poblano. Any other tips you can bestow into me?

My idle schedule is once I'm setup in my Airbnb to head over to Plaza Botero early afternoon for lunch while scoping a gem out there and take them back to my spot send them on their way before heading to lleras that evening to see the choices there. Overall I would like to just see the same 2-3 girls and try some of the notable casas mentioned here.

Lastly is it out of line to tell any girl that I bring back to my spot that I need to search their belongings to make sure they don't have scopolamine or anything like that on them?[/QUOTE]I'm not sure searching their stuff you will be able to spot scopolamine and tell it apart from makeup, tusi, etc. Not sure the girls will be very cooperative about that either. This is a culture that values respect quite highly. The girls all want to be treated like ladies. Now taking a photo of their cedula next to their face and letting that upload to the cloud might be a better security step (but I've never done it). I think just being hyper aware is probably enough to not get drugged; as we are talking about a minority of girls, low probability, that is mostly focused on the idiots who aren't paying attention. Your instincts will pay off. Girls offering too good a financial deal? Be careful. If you make yourself a harder target, they don't bother with you, they go to an easier one. BTW, Plaza Botero area has hourly hotel rooms if you are going to play in that area. Not sure I'd bring those choices back to Poblado (bringing broke ass girls back to rich dude area).

I think the guys who do it best come off as 'retired in Medellin' type gringos. So, they don't seem to have a lot of money, seem to know the land, etc. They may not, but if perceived that way, then they have an easier time getting treated better and not demanding tourist prices. You see those being able to walk the most local areas and no one bats an eye. This is why I always advise to 'dress like a local' and leave brand name clothing and watches and such back home.

Any other advice is different by your preference or situation. If you are planning to go to casas initially, get the WhatsApp of any girl you like and connect with. Then invite her out for dinner and play outside the casa. It's more money for them and they love making a connection, they are all from a culture of respect and a deep desire to find Mr. Right. So even hinting at liking a girl gets them all interested. They prefer to make a single guy 'date' that is enjoyable than seeing 4-6 guys in a single day at a casa. This is how I met some of my regulars.

[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3017204]Was anyone in Parque Lleras this past Saturday July 26?
I heard there was an operation that went on the in the parque?
What happened and did it scare any chicas away or was everything as normal?[/QUOTE]Should add, they seem to do this like once a year. Get lots of press about it. Thing is they can't do anything about the adult local girls (which is the bulk of the girls at the park). Once they filter out the minors or illegal Venezuelan girls. The rest can hang there legally all they want, they can talk to gringos all they want, and they can have dates with the guys all they want (remember, prostitution is legal). The local girls know it too. It probably scares more away the gringos, so it thins things out temporarily, but it then picks right back up once they move on (such operations are not sustainable due to the cost). I talked to one local girl already and she said many just moved into the clubs, which she isn't a fan of, because they charge the girls money to enter.

[QUOTE=Lofter;3017315]
My idle schedule is once I'm setup in my Airbnb to head over to Plaza Botero early afternoon for lunch while scoping a gem out there and take them back to my spot send them on their way before heading to lleras that evening to see the choices there. Overall I would like to just see the same 2-3 girls and try some of the notable casas mentioned here.

Lastly is it out of line to tell any girl that I bring back to my spot that I need to search their belongings to make sure they don't have scopolamine or anything like that on them?[/QUOTE]Very few, if any, of the chicas you meet in Plaza Botero will be willing to go to Poblado for a short time encounter. There are plenty of short time rooms you can rent near the Plaza.

Yes, you would be out of line to tell anyone you need to search their belongings. What would be your response if they told you they need to search your apartment before anything takes place? Respect their personal space. Their belongings are their personal space. If you suspect they stole something of value from your place, you could ask them to allow you to look inside their bag. Usually, if your encounter devolves to that point, all respect from both sides has gone out the window.

Long term lurker. First time poster. Visiting wonderful Medellin for a weekend and would love to find an agency or two that can fit the bill of my needs. Any recommendations?

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3016872]Staying in Laureles because you are worried about the noise in Park Lleras is like staying in Orlando because you are worried about the noise in Miami. Plenty of places in Poblado you can stay in where noise isn't an issue. There's even a neighborhood on the bottom of Poblado called Manila that has quiet hours after 11 pm. Personally, I find Laureles near 70 way louder / way later than Park Lleres ever gets. Now, the answer to the long 15-20 minute cab ride, no girls won't really mind, and you will be buying a uber home too. But it will be a pain.[/QUOTE]I totally agree- Avienda 70 is a party street, especially when there's a game at the stadium. MUCH louder than Lleres.

Greetings all,

I am still planing my trip to Medellin in October, I am chosing where to stay, I am between Lleras Green Hotel or San Peter Suites, there is a difference in price, Green hotel looks to have better rooms, so I wanted to ask you guys, for the guys who have stayed in both places which one would you chose if the price isn't an issue?

I've heard that both places are visitor friendly, Green hotel has airport pickup service which I think I will use because my flight arrives at midnight but that's not a deal breaker for San Peter.

So which one did you like the most? Which one is better for bringing girls and for the monger in general?

Thanks in advance for your answers.

[QUOTE=MRusa007;3016912]I have been to Brazil several times, Costa Rica, Thai etc. , But have been always wanting to go to Colombia but my research is not giving me the right needed info for a first timer.

Before anyone gets negative, I have spent over 10+ hours RTTF. But unfortunately, it didn't help much.

Can you experts help.

1. I like going to a club / Casa / house and having drinks, checking where it h 20-30+ girls in the bar, pick them, and then go to a room onsite, finish and then come back to the bar and check out the next. Is there a thing like that.

2. what is the best mongering. Pick up action. (I have seen several youtube videos of Parque Lleras & Provenza and it all looks like a great partying / clubbing area). I don tlike to pick from the street, take them to the room etc. , etc. , so are there places like that in Colombia?

3. basically: Brazil, Sao Paulo, or Rio has nice clubs that you can stay at a place, meet 100's of girls all in 1 place. Does such a thing exist in Medellin or Colombia?

Thank you all.[/QUOTE]If you expect such places in Medellin, you'll be disappointed. Scandallo, Bomboa, et al in Sao Paulo and the Termas in Rio are pretty unique in what you can do both before and after making a decision.

Are there any casas or spas near calle 10 close to parque lleras / provenza area. TIA.

I'm planning a trip to Medellin and I'm looking for recommendations on hotels in or very close to El Poblado, specifically near Parque Lleras, that are "guest-friendly" or "girl-friendly. ".

I've been sifting through various pages / forums, but frankly, many of the discussions are outdated or lack concrete, actionable advice. It's tough for newcomers to get a clear picture with the constantly changing information.

Therefore, I'd greatly appreciate any updated, constructive answers or personal recommendations from those who have recent experience. This updated information would be a huge asset for other "newbies" planning their trips to Medellin as well.

Thanks in advance for your insights and help!

[QUOTE=BlueChange;3016693]Loft 43 is NOT monger friendly. That is to say it isn't possibile to have some incall and bring back chicas however that will require some fenagalling with the security. There are better places in Laurrles that will let you do your thing without all the nonsense.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jim0129;3017497]Greetings all,

I am still planing my trip to Medellin in October, I am chosing where to stay, I am between Lleras Green Hotel or San Peter Suites, there is a difference in price, Green hotel looks to have better rooms, so I wanted to ask you guys, for the guys who have stayed in both places which one would you chose if the price isn't an issue?

I've heard that both places are visitor friendly, Green hotel has airport pickup service which I think I will use because my flight arrives at midnight but that's not a deal breaker for San Peter.

So which one did you like the most? Which one is better for bringing girls and for the monger in general?

Thanks in advance for your answers.[/QUOTE]I used to go to Medellin about twice a month while I lived in Manizales and I've stayed at San Peter many times but now I live in Medellin so I won't be staying there anymore. There are two owners of the different apartments there and it's a crap shoot on the quality of the rooms but for the price it's a good place to stay, I like the fact that they have a 24 hour front desk that takes girls ID's and they call up to your room before giving it back to them therefore if a girl agrees to go there with you then you are pretty much guaranteed that you won't get drugged because she won't be able to retrieve her cedula and the girls know that. The biggest drawback to San Peter is the noise from the clubs, if you are a light sleeper you best bring ear plugs unless you are on one of the top floors or you'll be up until 5:00 am on weekends. There are chicas sometimes in the Medellin Sports Bar in the same building, I've pulled a few.

[QUOTE=Jim0129;3017497]Greetings all,

I am still planing my trip to Medellin in October, I am chosing where to stay, I am between Lleras Green Hotel or San Peter Suites, there is a difference in price, Green hotel looks to have better rooms, so I wanted to ask you guys, for the guys who have stayed in both places which one would you chose if the price isn't an issue?

I've heard that both places are visitor friendly, Green hotel has airport pickup service which I think I will use because my flight arrives at midnight but that's not a deal breaker for San Peter.

So which one did you like the most? Which one is better for bringing girls and for the monger in general?

Thanks in advance for your answers.[/QUOTE]I have stayed at Lleras Green a couple of times. Can't beat the location. Rooms are fine. Breakfast is soso. First time I went, I got a text from the receptionist, and ended up hooking up with her, but not at the hotel. I still see her occasionally at times when in Medellin. It is loud, so take ear plugs.

Happy hunting,

Snook.

[QUOTE=Snook;3017709]I have stayed at Lleras Green a couple of times. Can't beat the location. Rooms are fine. Breakfast is soso. First time I went, I got a text from the receptionist, and ended up hooking up with her, but not at the hotel. I still see her occasionally at times when in Medellin. It is loud, so take ear plugs.
[/QUOTE]What was the cost of the room? It looked expensive from the outside. Maybe they have rooms not facing the action. Did it get quiet after 2-3 am?

Reminds me of the old Medellin Mansion, now torn down. I had a room over the bar and it was impossible to sleep until the closed at 2 am.