Manila

[QUOTE=Amanut; 1407470]I agree with WR. Buy a one way ticket on your credit card. That way she / he won't be cashing it in at the other end. I have been lucky with travel arrangements as the ladies I have met from out of town have paid their own way to meet me and I reimbursed them on arrival. They are in the Philippines and can keep an eye out for decent seat sale prices.

I have to tell you that I am very cautious about the ladies who are real stunners online. There are a lot who are hes and I defy you to tell the reality visually, even in person. Some of the ladies you see in person are hes and you may not know the truth until you find a package where there shouldn't be one. Be careful and good luck.[/QUOTE]Perhaps, that might be true for mongers who stumble from one bar to the next in an alcoholic daze. Filipinos LBs tend to be very loud and extremely showy. Most want you to know what they are. Even the more reserved ones have traits that give them away. They cannot hide the tone and pitch of their voice, size of wrists and ankles, Adam's apple, hip to waist ratio and jaw line. Excessive make up, elaborate hairstyles and fashionable dress are dead giveaways since real Filipina women almost never go through that much trouble to dress up unless it is a very special occasion.

Years ago, a monger on this board by the name of Byung got ridiculously drunk and a Flip LB took the opportunity to suck him off. Even then, he admitted to coming to the realization that it was a LB sucking him off and he just decided to let him finish.

[quote=aibolit; 1407130]so, i'm now ready to embark on my manila adventure. in anticipation of it, i've worked hard on dia. i've found 2 ladies of a true beauty on dia. i finally isolated 2 that are top-notch and know what i'm looking for. all were vetted on skype. one of them, i'm flying into manila from cebu. she asked 3000p for that. but, after seeing her on skype, i've concluded that she's worth every penny of it. i have about 15 ladies that also seem to be ready for a fun in the room. all were vetted with skype.

now, the question arises as to how to get the cat in the sac on the first day. i've dropped heavy hints to the ladies as to what i'm expecting on the first date. hints that left little to the imagination. i'm a bit rusty with a normal dating ritual that i'm not sure, if i'll succeed to get them in bed on day one. i'm still unsure how all this would transpire. any experience of esteemed members of this forum on "closing the deal" on a dia girls that declar that they are looking for a "serious relationship" will be certainly helpful here![/quote]my approach to the phils now is very straight forward. i ask the dia (or pinalove. com) girls if they will "have sex with me". i usually do this on the fourth or fifth message, using the code "naughty fun" until that point. even the dullest girl understands what "have sex with me" means. of course, i loose a few when i ask for them to explicitly respond to this question, but "dating ritual" is not necessary. when they show up, i usually spend time with them in the lobby to chat, but not as part of the "dating ritual". i really talk to them to be certain that they are of legal age. i have read enough stories on this forum to know that it is not hard to get in trouble in the phils with an **** girl, and i am not interested in sex with minors. there are many scams that have been discussed here, of course, but i do not see how prolonged vetting will help me avoid these problems. once i am convinced that there are no laws being broken, we usually go right up to the bedroom for playtime.

on my first trip to manila, i invited a dia girl from out of the city. she and i had not discussed sex beforehand, but when she arrived i took her to my room for a drink. we had virtually nothing to say to one another, so i started kissing her. that worked fine. my problem then became how to get rid of her. if your girl from cebu actually shows up, it is 100% certain she expects to sleep with you and have sex. you will then have to figure out how to get her to go home. trust me, this is harder than talking a pinay into bed.

as you have vetted about 17 women, you can now ask them point blank by email if they will have sex with you. at the end of all this, you will probably have 17 women left, and no need to worry about rituals.

this is my way to deal with this issue. i recognize that a lot of guys like the ritual. the uncertainty heightens their fun. but rest assured that it is not necessary to be a smooth operator to bed dia girls.

Gents,

Many thansk to all for useful comments. I totally agree that great caution is required. Two things cross my mind and have been mentioned here: some kind of scam and a surprise of a ladyboy. To minimize the possibility of an unpleasant surprise, I've done the following:

1. Told the lady I'm flying in from Cebu that I'll reimburse here BEFORE she flies out of Manila.

2. I spoke to all candidates on Skype. All seemed perfectly girly. On my DIA profile I mentioned that I don't want to be contacted by a ladyboy.

3. I plan to meet all of the candidates outside of the hotel. In fact, I don't want them to know which hotel I'll be in, until I vet them out in person over lunch or something.

4. If still I see suprise in the room. I will have to devise a way to get the person out of the room on off her way.

Nothing else comes to mind. Thanks a ton for the support and advice!

Best, A.

P. S. If anyone is in Manila mid-month and wants to join me for a trip to soapy or club. PM me.

[QUOTE=Bruce52; 1407007]I arrived late last night (4/4). By the way, Delta still uses Terminal 1 for those wondering. I changed money, took a taxi to the Hyatt in Ermita (paid 400 pesos) and checked in. Went upstairs, partially unpacked and took a shower. Went back downstairs at 11:30 pm and stepped out onto the street right in front of the hotel. Directly across the street sat a cute 23-year-old, Jane, who asked me if I wanted a massage. I asked how much? She said 1500 for all night. Holy cow! Sold! We walked right back across the street and went up to my room. No hassle from the hotel at all. Two shots so far with this beautiful creature, and she's asleep in the bed as I type this. Wow, why did I wait so long to come here? This beats even Thailand (based on half a day's experience, anyway).

I'm tempted to just keep Jane with me for my whole trip. She's so perfect and accommodating. But then I'd miss out on so many others. Anyway, a fantastic first-time experience so far.[/QUOTE]Friday morning,"Jane" told me that her real name is Grecil. I guess Jane is easier for foreigners to remember (but I'll have no problem with Grecil). She left the hotel around 8 am.

After eating breakfast, I walked a couple of blocks to Robinson's Mall to look around. It certainly exceeded my expectations from afar; it's a huge, four-level modern mall filled with stores and every kind of restaurant. Not the best floor plan, but I wandered around. Before very long, I found that two young women were wandering with me and smiling a lot! One was reasonably attractive; the other was too heavy but pleasant enough. I smiled back, and conversation began. To make a long story short, they claimed to be in Manila just for the day and at some point wanted to go to my hotel to rest for a while. OK, that could be arranged! So we walked to the Hyatt and went upstairs.

When we got to my room, they offered to massage me. I asked how much? The prettier one said $50 US. I laughed and said too much. She countered with 1500 pesos, about $37. Again, I said too much. Then she said 1000 pesos, about $25. I said OK, at which point the heavier girl said "1000 pesos each." That infuriated me, though I stayed cool and calm. Through that circuitous negotiation, we had arrived right back at the same $50 where we began! A complete waste of my time. So I asked them to leave. They were pretty unhappy about this but left peacefully. On the way down to the street (I went with them) , I explained that we were seconds away from a deal when the heavy girl ruined it. I hope they learned something from the experience, but I doubt it.

We all walked back to the mall, separately. Once inside, I noticed an older woman smiling at me rather obviously, hoping to be noticed. I took an escalator upstairs. When she saw me one level up, she followed and started a conversation. Her name is Victoria. She is 43 and has three children. Her husband died in a construction accident. At 43, she isn't beautiful any more but certainly beats any 43-year-old American I'm likely to see back home. Anyway, she asked to go to my hotel to massage me. I asked how much? She said that she would like 1000 pesos but that I can pay her whatever I think she deserves. Perfect answer! Back to my hotel. (The security guys must think I'm insatiable!) Victoria is a very nice woman, in rather desperate straits, and she did a great job on the massage and sex. I gave her 1000 pesos, as desired, and sent her on her way.

I then wandered around for a bit, went to the casino and lost some money, ate dinner in the Hyatt lounge, then decided to take a nap (jet lag, I guess). At 8:30 the phone woke me. The front desk said that a woman named Grecil was downstairs and wanted to see me. Was I expecting her? Well, no, I wasn't, but I said to send her up. She knocked on my door a minute later and came in. I told her that I was napping but that she was welcome to stay and use my computer. She was joyous and asked me to bring up facebook on my browser. I did that, she signed in, and I went back to sleep.

A couple of hours later, she climbed into bed and woke me. What followed was 2 hours of wonderful sex, after which we both went back to sleep. I woke up around 2 am and used the computer for an hour or so. I had a "friend" request from Grecil on facebook, which I accepted. This girl really knows what she is doing, at age 23! Around 6:30, we both got up, took showers, and she left. Supposedly, she is going back to her home, at least for the day. Not sure if she'll be back tonight or not. No plans were made.

I just ate breakfast and may walk to the Mall of Asia this morning. Still hoping to meet local folks.

Bruce

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1407517]Many thansk to all for useful comments. I totally agree that great caution is required. Two things cross my mind and have been mentioned here: some kind of scam and a surprise of a ladyboy. To minimize the possibility of an unpleasant surprise, I've done the following:

4. If still I see suprise in the room. I will have to devise a way to get the person out of the room on off her way.[/QUOTE]Don't get paranoid about ladyboys. This isn't Thailand. Even if you had your hearing aid turned down to zero so that you couldn't hear your guide dog howling, you still would not be fooled by 99% of the shemales in The Philippines. They are that obvious. They don't have the sex tourist derived income that Thai LBs have so cannot spend as much on hormonal therapy and surgical procedures as their Thai sisters (or should that be brothers?).

Most LBs on dating sites mention their proclivity in their profile and those who don't will invariably admit it when challenged. I've never heard of anyone, even if they are blind drunk, being fooled by one here. I suspect that anyone who claims that they were fooled by one here, secretly knew all along, and was just ticking a box on their sexual bucket list.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1407531]I've never heard of anyone, even if they are blind drunk, being fooled by one here. I suspect that anyone who claims that they were fooled by one here, secretly knew all along, and was just ticking a box on their sexual bucket list.[/QUOTE]I have CS, an old work mate while on vacation in Thailand was very drunk and set up by another work colleague. He thinks it is all forgotten until I mentioned it one day over dinner. Something he had not even admitted to his wife (would you?)

It was never much a secret as on return to the homeland his 'best mate work colleague' posted a quick email to all saying "guess who got a BJ from a LB in Thailand"

Still funny even now and something he wishes I could forget but I like more dirt on them than they have on me.

[QUOTE=Forest;1407515]You will then have to figure out how to get her to go home. Trust me, this is harder than talking a pinay into bed.[/QUOTE]That is the beauty of P4P: you don't pay them for the sex, you pay them to go home.

[QUOTE=Forest;1407515]. You will then have to figure out how to get her to go home.[/QUOTE]I always mention how I have a work appointment early in the morning even before we get as far as the room (whether I have an appointment or not).

That is one of the advantages of living and working here; they know I am not a tourist on holiday and that time is a key factor for me.

Most respect that and are prepared to leave either around 12 or 1 am or else early in the morning at around 5 am.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1407531]Don't get paranoid about ladyboys. This isn't Thailand. Even if you had your hearing aid turned down to zero so that you couldn't hear your guide dog howling, you still would not be fooled by 99% of the shemales in The Philippines. They are that obvious. They don't have the sex tourist derived income that Thai LBs have so cannot spend as much on hormonal therapy and surgical procedures as their Thai sisters (or should that be brothers?).

Most LBs on dating sites mention their proclivity in their profile and those who don't will invariably admit it when challenged. I've never heard of anyone, even if they are blind drunk, being fooled by one here. I suspect that anyone who claims that they were fooled by one here, secretly knew all along, and was just ticking a box on their sexual bucket list.[/QUOTE]I was recently in manila. I always stay in ermita malate and I always end up at Robinsons mall. I was standing in front of Starbucks aroud 7 pm when this pretty "girl" appears As god as my witness I went up to her told lets go, have you eaten We ate at tgif and I was so sure she was a female that we sat in a mall table where you can see the people walking in the mall. Her voice feminine slender legs arms and I swear I thought she was a female. I told "her" so there is no mistake how much for short term She said up to me. Rarely will a working girl say up to you. They have a price in mind So we get in taxi and she immediately sits the other away from me Red flag immediately. But I was in good mood I had a great session in the morning so I was cool Now I realize she was afaid if she sat close to me I would go for her pussy and I would find out she was lb.

We get in room take shower and she takes shower then she comes to bed with some shorts on. Ahh shit I knew it then she was lb I told her not fair you should have told me god damn I have fotos of her and I showed to some of my friends and they all agreed damn she looks like a girl Anyway I wasnt mad or looking to screw a lady boy. She saw I was upset so she goes after junior and it was on. Great blow job. Got up showered dressed put her make up and she was gone. Am I bi? Gay hell no She fooled to he helll outof me. I wish I could upload the fotos and then you guys can see I am not lieing. Damn she looked like a woman that is why I snatched her as soon as I saw her.

I am not gay bi or wanted to be with a lb it happened. I as straight as any of you I was really fooled.

I've done this before. RK, we should meet for business. Tax deductible.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1407630]I always mention how I have a work appointment early in the morning even before we get as far as the room (whether I have an appointment or not).

That is one of the advantages of living and working here; they know I am not a tourist on holiday and that time is a key factor for me.

Most respect that and are prepared to leave either around 12 or 1 am or else early in the morning at around 5 am.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1407531]I've never heard of anyone, even if they are blind drunk, being fooled by one here. I suspect that anyone who claims that they were fooled by one here, secretly knew all along, and was just ticking a box on their sexual bucket list.[/QUOTE]Guess you missed JP's report from Cebu last year. I do have to admit I admire his courage for reporting his escapade as most guys would not report about it here. I suspect that more guys have been fooled, but would never admit it here (or anywhere else) or, as you pointed out, have taken a LB to tick one off on their bucket list.

From the Cebu Forum; General Reports; 05/27/2012:

[QUOTE=Jp Slicky; 1285822]First night I went down to J Ave at Mango square. This FL came up to me and we started to chat. Having some wierd vibes about this person, but wanted to see where it goes, I violated the when in doubt there is no doubt rule. Slicky jr was doing the thinking.

OK off to my room. And its shower time.

This FL wanted to be paid up front, I refused (I was not opening my safe while this person was in the room period (Only 2 good decision I made) Then the FL wanted the lights dimmed to almost dark. I said no, cause slicky jr wants to see your snatch. The FL would not take off the undies top or bottom. Nice looking tits turned to no tits, OK now the bottom, show me your kitten. Pull the undies down but quickly covered with hands. I lightly tried to pull the hand away and got resistance. Then and there I went to put my clothes back on. Have you guessed it yet? Yes. LB!

I told the guy to get out, and he began to give me shit, I am sure I could take him but will let managemennt fight my battles went right over to the phone and told it to get out. I gave it 140 pesos from my pocket and told the guy to get out. All the time him telling me he is not a LB. By the way, I did ask if he was at Mango and it lied to me. Close call here boys, I violated some rules about doubt and taking street meat of the streets of Cebu.[/QUOTE]

Bruce take a cab to mall in asia your first time so you will know where it is. It really is a good walk to get there. It is out in the bay on what they call recallaction land. Basice back fill to bay. Done all over world not a big deal. The point is it is not where you would think. And asking for directions in RP is a mess. So once you know how to get there it will be easyier to know what you are getting into. But a day time walk down burguess st will help you learn the city. Good luck and happy hunting

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger;1407578]I have CS, an old work mate while on vacation in Thailand was very drunk and set up by another work colleague.[/QUOTE]Yes, but that was in Thailand where at least you have a 'get out' that 'she' looked like a girl.

Most LBs that I've seen here look about as feminine as Freddy Mercury in the 'I want to break free' video.

[QUOTE=Pip Jaeger;1407704]Guess you missed JP's report from Cebu last year. I do have to admit I admire his courage for reporting his escapade as most guys would not report about it here. I suspect that more guys have been fooled, but would never admit it here (or anywhere else) or, as you pointed out, have taken a LB to tick one off on their bucket list.

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Missed that one, Pip. Strikes me that the guy saw all the warning signs and chose to ignore them. And then professed surprise at his street pick-ups bigger surprise.

[QUOTE=Redman69;1407767]Bruce take a cab to mall in asia your first time so you will know where it is. It really is a good walk to get there. It is out in the bay on what they call recallaction land. Basice back fill to bay. Done all over world not a big deal. The point is it is not where you would think. And asking for directions in RP is a mess. So once you know how to get there it will be easyier to know what you are getting into. But a day time walk down burguess st will help you learn the city. Good luck and happy hunting[/QUOTE]When I said that I wanted to walk to Mall of Asia, people warned me that I was crazy. So I took a taxi and was very glad I did. It's really too far to walk in the daytime.

Bruce

I thought this was a fitting video for the lb topic. LOL.

[url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f1e_1365269405[/url]

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1407768]Yes, but that was in Thailand where at least you have a 'get out' that 'she' looked like a girl.

Most LBs that I've seen here look about as feminine as Freddy Mercury in the 'I want to break free' video.

Missed that one, Pip. Strikes me that the guy saw all the warning signs and chose to ignore them. And then professed surprise at his street pick-ups bigger surprise.[/QUOTE]