Jakarta

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1842821]I don't think there is one Indonesian anywhere in Jakarta (male or female) who does not know what goes on at Alexis - and has known for many years. However, what's going to be even funnier is when the city council member's report finds that there is no prostitution going on there (even though the city council member has been a regular at Alexis for the past 10 years). That the establishment is on the up and up and that there was one occasion where a massage girl went rogue and seems to have taken things a bit too far in the massage room, but she has since been fired and disgraced for such absurd behavior.[/QUOTE]Agreed Smoothy. Alexis is an enigma for Indonesians. I have a retired Indo relative (old meaning of Indo) who according to his wife & family has been sponsoring an orphan girl's schooling in Ancol. He has a direct debit setup (for what seems very good value) and every year he chooses a new girl to adopt / sponsor. He manages to vist this girl once or twice a month. You can see his antique Mecedes Benz parked in a hotel on Jl Martidinata some afternoons, though from reading these comments he might not be paying a visit for the next few weeks.

24 February 2016 - 06 H45.

Indonesia plans to close all red-light districts in the country by 2019, an official said Wednesday, stepping up a campaign against prostitution after a controversial push to clear up a brothel area of Jakarta.

The government will instruct local authorities to shut down an estimated 100 red-light districts across the world's most populous Muslim-majority country, said Sonny Manalu, a senior official at the social affairs ministry. "We believe that red-light districts will affect children who live nearby negatively," he told AFP.

"Prostitution can never be erased from the Earth but we must try to stop it corrupting our youth. ".

The move comes after a weeks-long push to close down one of the capital's most notorious red-light districts, called Kalijodo, and replace the illegal brothels and bars with parks.

Jakarta authorities decided to take action after a fatal car accident early this month blamed on a man who had been drinking in the riverside shanty.

But the plan has angered residents, as many are set to be evicted and see their houses demolished in the coming days.

Prostitution is illegal in Indonesia but is rampant in major cities. Local governments, who have substantial power, have already closed 68 red-light districts in recent years, according to Manalu.

This includes Dolly in the country's second-biggest city Surabaya, which was thought to be the largest red-light district in Southeast Asia.

The government is promising to provide training, counselling and assistance for sex workers who their lose their jobs after the closures.

[URL]http://www.france24.com/en/20160224-indonesia-plans-close-all-red-light-districts-2019[/URL]

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1842701]To Prison Break.

Not all taxi driver know if you got a one that is new in town he will not know just ask for the Western hotel Hariston near the Ciliwung river yes is better after 6 pm but it is also a danger place to be at night, I been there once don't think I will go back there are so many place in town you can get FS for under 35,000 ,I don't see the point of saving some money go to a dump like this I remember the biggest red light district in asia Kramaatunggak in Ancol over 100 brothels there it closed down back in 1999 you can spend 5 HR there still not cover the whole place 5 time bigger than Dolly Surabuya.

Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]Can you recommend any of the local cheap places?

I will be in Jakarta next month and by then Kalijodo will probably closed down:

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1843315]
Indonesia plans to close all red-light districts in the country by 2019[/QUOTE]Other than Kalijodo, what area in Jakarta is considered a "red-light district"? There are plenty of single establishments all over town, but I can't think of a red-light district in town that compares to a Dolly or Kalijodo.

[QUOTE=Kuranyi;1843396]Can you recommend any of the local cheap places?

I will be in Jakarta next month and by then Kalijodo will probably closed down:[/QUOTE]To Kuaranyi.

I alreay told you there are many low end massage place all over Jakarta you can get service for around 350 k. I don't know what is cheap for you, I am sure there are place you can get service for under 200 k for the local just ask them.

Fast eddie 48.

I will soon come to Jakarta for my second visit, last time I was here was in 2013, but it looks like not that much have changed. I plan to visit Hotel Classic again and maybe Blok M (although it seems to have lost value). I have one week to spare.

Reading from this board FM1 and Kings Cross come as interesting places, I will check them out.

That's the ST-places, but what about LT? It seems to be very expensive in Jakarta. Last time I visited Bats, but this time I will go to CJs instead. The issues, I think, are not only with the prices, but also that it's not really LT. If you find a girl at 11 pm and she just stays until 5 am, that's more like Medium Time. Reading from this board I get the impression that often this is the case. If I find someone willing to stay until noon the next day I would gladly pay 1500 k (or even 2000 k if she's really hot) but not if she leaves in the middle of the night. Then it will be better just to have two ST-sessions at another place.

The question is: how make it long time? Is some days of the week better for this? And what time should I arrive in the bar?

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;1843755]

That's the ST-places, but what about LT? It seems to be very expensive in Jakarta. Last time I visited Bats, but this time I will go to CJs instead. The issues, I think, are not only with the prices, but also that it's not really LT. If you find a girl at 11 pm and she just stays until 5 am, that's more like Medium Time. Reading from this board I get the impression that often this is the case. If I find someone willing to stay until noon the next day I would gladly pay 1500 k (or even 2000 k if she's really hot) but not if she leaves in the middle of the night. Then it will be better just to have two ST-sessions at another place.

The question is: how make it long time? Is some days of the week better for this? And what time should I arrive in the bar?[/QUOTE]There's no such thing as what day of the week is better than this. They're being paid more than a month's salary of nearly half of Indonesian women in this country yet they still have the cheek to ask to leave early?

In the old days they'd stay till the next day no problem. 4 or 5 hours is definitely not my definition of LT, and I make them fully aware I won't tolerate them leaving early.

The tried and tested excuses of "my kid needs to go to school" or "key to my place is with me and someone needs to get in" are what they'll say to justify leaving early. There's no reason they should be allowed to take advantage of us.

If they insist on going home early, don't give them the full amount as then they'll do that same trick with the next monger.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1843517]Other than Kalijodo, what area in Jakarta is considered a "red-light district"? There are plenty of single establishments all over town, but I can't think of a red-light district in town that compares to a Dolly or Kalijodo.[/QUOTE]I think most lokalisasi closed down when Ali Sadikin opened up Kramat Tunggak in Tugu such as the legendary Macao Po and Suwean (Jassenberg). Bongkaran and Boger are still open for tricks. Kaligot (taken from the French Aligot Theater) in Sawah Besar has some activity.

Senen Planet has got a mention in this forum recently. It's at the carriages between Senen Station and Jl Tanah Nyonya. If you want to find them I'd hire a Betawi Taxi driver in his late 60's as some of these streets and places have been renamed.

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;1843755].... The question is: how make it long time? Is some days of the week better for this? And what time should I arrive in the bar?[/QUOTE]Show up around 11 pm. When you screen the lady you want, you ask her how long she will stay. If she says 5 am or something that you don't want, then you tell her you want her to stay until noon. If she can't, then you negotiate for the short time. In the mean time, you can still look for the next one who can stay LT.

I agree with you. I'm not paying a LT price for a few hours (plus her sleeping for a few) only to have her leave at 5 or 6 am.

[QUOTE=UsPete;1843787]I think most lokalisasi closed down when Ali Sadikin opened up Kramat Tunggak in Tugu such as the legendary Macao Po and Suwean (Jassenberg). Bongkaran and Boger are still open for tricks. Kaligot (taken from the French Aligot Theater) in Sawah Besar has some activity.

Senen Planet has got a mention in this forum recently. It's at the carriages between Senen Station and Jl Tanah Nyonya. If you want to find them I'd hire a Betawi Taxi driver in his late 60's as some of these streets and places have been renamed.[/QUOTE]I thought Planet and Boker (Boger?) were closed in similar actions to the one in Kalijodo, a long long time ago. Or have they risen from their ashes?

For me, what really matters is the unproportional increase of the money they want. And considering the quality that is offered I can not stop wonder how they dare to ask. But is it their fault or the mongerer's? If I compare it with Medellin, where girls in the casas are arguably far better looking, I praise myself lucky to be there regularly. For less than 150 K in rupiahs, including the room, you can find stunners all over el centro.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1844068]I thought Planet and Boker (Boger?) were closed in similar actions to the one in Kalijodo, a long long time ago. Or have they risen from their ashes?[/QUOTE]Can't imagine Gang Boker in Ciracas ever really closing as it's prime market is for the military personnel stationed in the area.

Planet Senen is a very eccentric place, worthy of turning into a tourist attraction where the jablay / girls sometimes dance on soap boxes and flirt with passers by. Popular with teenagers the short-time stalls may well be closed.

It's this bloody internet media that is causing all the pricing confusion and mayhem not the local authorities. Ohh and all the sexpats drifting into town to my utter despair.

Tambora.

Well I finally bite the bullet and visited the downmarket alley where Royal Max, Berlian and Kartika are located. Incidentally there are two other darker, narrower, dingier alleyways where there are more bars between them and Illegals. But anyway, all three soapies are rather extremely challenged in finding anyone half way decent looking. Royal Max at 260 k for a soapy was the cheapest with Kartika the highest at 370 k. Of course I took the lowest option and requested someone who wasn't too too bad. I mean she went through the motions of body to body and did followed directions of what I wanted her to do; however, the overall atmosphere / ambience of the area, the bar and the room were a big big detraction leading me to unable to get in much of any mood. Oh, well life goes on and at least I did one there.

Based on some recent reports I went out to FM1 (in grogol) and found it to be a big new find. Cheaper that Classic / Travel at 275 k for over half the girls in the 5th floor club. Overall not very many to pick from at.

maybe 30; however, a good percentage were what I like: young, slim and busty. I took the one who looked like she had the biggest rack (e cup) and got a great GFE experience with plenty of deep french kissing.

This is definitely a place to go back to, needless the say not easy to get to.

BTW two last points, the bars appear to be in extreme low key mode with lots of places having girls dancing on stage in street or near street clothes and it was great to get through customs / immigration without paying $35. The pay windows are still there so I don't know who has to pay or not.

[QUOTE=ABCinLA;1844411] it was great to get through customs / immigration without paying $35. The pay windows are still there so I don't know who has to pay or not.[/QUOTE]The $35 VOA fee is waived for [I]tourists[/I] from a list of countries including the United States. If one is there on business or is not from one of the countries for which the fee is waived, one still has to pay the $35 fee, or at least that is the rule.

Incidentally, there was a bit of a kerfuffle here a few months ago where some said their average wait from the time they got off the airplane until they got through customs was over an hour at CGK. I suggested my experience was different, and given the disagreement that developed I decided to time how long it took for me to get from my airplane to the taxi stand my last two visits. It was 27 and 18 minutes, respectively. If I didn't have to pay for the VOA, I would have gotten out of there in less than 27 minutes the first time because while I was paying the VOA fee a long line was queuing at immigration. It should be noted though I am usually one of the first ones off my airplane, and I then proceed to the VOA window and immigration at a rather brisk pace. And because I fly business class, my luggage gets priority when they put it on the conveyor belt, but if I recall correctly one of the guys here who claimed it usually took an hour or more before he got through customs also said he flew business class, and in any event, I doubt the fact my luggage is marked priority saves more than five or ten minutes at the most. .

On the other hand, there have been occasions where I had to wait as long as about 45 minutes before getting to the taxi stand, but for me that has not been the norm and I do not recall ever waiting as long as an hour (knock on wood)..

Does anyone know what happened to Korpern Ko, his posts, and his photos? He used to be a regular on this forum?