Monterrey

To expand on hot girls from lower social classes. Don't forget that money can make anyone look a lot better. The clothes, hair, lack of hard work, little or no exposure to the elements. These things can make the same girl look totally different. That is why it seems that the rich have more hot women, they just stay hotter, longer. How many poor women even know what a dermatologist is, much less have the expendable income to see one. And that is not implying cosmetic surgery.
Take me for an example, I don't look great, but neither does my income.

i am always amazed at how great the girls from meager means in foreign venues look. it's funny, because before i began to monger outside the us, i always assumed that he pool of candidates from foreign venues would be girls from the lower classes, girls that could not really afford to take good care of themselves, financially, my assuming they would be less attractive than what would normally found in the us, simply because of the reasons you articulated.

with the proliferation of the internet, i began to realize the quality of selection available in foreign venues, and it soon became quite apparent that most of the selection is astoundingly better than what we have with respect to available candidates for our kind of fun, notwithstanding the cost issues that make foreign mongering so much more economical in comparison. this truth seems to be universal, even in the other countries that differ significantly from our own culture.

the girls that are offered in the clubs of indonesia, thailand, the pi are hot, hot, hot...and by western standards, and not according to some kind of eastern man's preferential biases. there are, of course, venues in those countries that cater to the eastern preferences, but there are so many that cater to western preferences that it is mind boggling.

that always surprised me. there are, in each of those venues, girls offered to the locals that may have a different look, one that appeals to their ethnic preferences, and those venues are usually reserved only for locals, no westerners allowed. but, i have always been a little surprised at how good the girls look from cultural origins that are so far from the western culture, not to mention that their income levels make the girls of monterrey seem extremely wealthy.

it always amazed me how good the girls in monterrey managed to look, when their incomes are quite low by us standards, even though they make considerably more than most of their peers in mexico. i mean, their incomes in monterrey, for the busiest girls, the ones that are kept busy constantly in the privados, is probably less than about $20,000 a year, and i believe that figure is on the high end because many of them do not work a full week. many of the busiest ones show up to work late quite frequently, and work only about four hours before they go home. some don't work but thursday through saturday.

i have calculated their incomes based on my having been intimately close to several of them, intimately close beyond the sex, with ones that have given me consisistently similiar estimates of their income, all of them quite popular girls with respect to being in demand in their jobs. it surprises me that their statements to me about how much they make have been substantiated between them with such consistent similarity, independent of any of them knowing even that the others of them exist.

so, comparatively, and realizing that the cost of living is generally much less in monterrey compared to the us, if our lowest class girls were at the same relative income level of $20,000 proportionally adjusted for the difference between the economic costs of living between the two countries, i expect our lowest class girls, comparatively, are quite ugly, are definitely quite a bit fatter!, and showing the vivid signs of signficant drug abuse and/or alcoholism, thereby making them signficantly less attractive. :d

it just seems that the girls engaged in their kind of business, in the foreign venues, take a hell of a lot more pride, and make significanly more effort at looking good, than do our lower classes attempting to engage in the same kind of business. so, so, so, many of our hos are drug addicts and alcoholics, and it shows. however, while the mexico scene certainly has it's share of drug addicts and alcoholics, it does not show proportionally on their hos to the extent that it is evident on ours in their appearance. many of the girls that are in that same boat in mexico look pretty damned good compared to those in the us that are in the same kind of circumstances. plus, for some reason, the hos making themselves available seem to be five years younger in the foreign venues than the average age of the hos in the us.

i believe it may be because girls decide to hook at an older age in the us, they having dilusions of hope for longer a time than their foreign counterparts, putting off the inevitable, they believing that their circumstances will improve due to the economic opportunities that are sold to them as valid by the entertainment industry, television and the educational system. whereas, the girls in foreign venues, monterrey included, are totally realistic about their future prospects, having endured historical generations of the same poverty in their families for a three-hundred years, with no end in site. comparatively, the american dream of pulling one's self out of poverty, has permitted countless millions of historically poverty stricken us families to elevate themselves to at least middle class status, and some to even a high class status. so the dream has always been there, and demonstrated as attainable historically. but, i also think the "dream" is the source of the poor attitude in our selection of hos.

it is all about attitude, and i believe that foreign girls are preconditioned, resolved to making their lot in life work for them, their having no dilusions about their prospects in life, due to their coming from families that come from three hundred years or more of historical family poverty. it is simultaneously what motives their superiority to their us counterparts in performance and attitude. they are not jaded by promises from their society like the girls in the us are jaded by their lots in life compared to what their expectations may have been at a younger age, many girls having dilusions of grandeur.

their us counterparts have a broken spirit, and it shows. the hos in foreign venues accept their lot in life, and are thankful to have a means to rise out of object poverty, no matter what the profession, while us girls resent theirs, believing their dreams of youth for the hot guy, the bmw, the nice clothes, the lavish tropical vacations, and the grand mansion have been shattered by a society they see as male dominated, and having lied to them all along during their dilusional youth. attitude is everything, and us hos have a very definite resentment in their deameanors, one that does not seemingly exist in the foreign venues, monterrey included.

the quality of selection is so much better in monterrey than in the us. their girls look so much better, their attitudes so far superior, and they are able, willing, and pleased to do so much more, and in exchange for so much less from us than our candidates here in the us. and, that is what justifies the travel cost that's incurred in comparison to just patronizing a local us girl or girls.

i mean, we have a huge pool of hos available in the us, and were they as good as their foreign counterparts, one could not justify the added travel cost, not to mention the time required to travel, even to monterrey from as close as the states. but, the girls are so much better in monterrey, and other veneus previously mentioned, that it's not even a consideration when making comparisons of quality, performances, and attitude.

as you mentioned, the legality issues are a factor, but a very, very minor one compared to the old days, made less of an issue by the proleration of the internet. once you find a selection of girls to choose from here in the us, and if you do your homework prior to engaging in acts with them, then the risks are considerably reduced with respect to any kind of sting operation that might have otherwise developed from within a different kind of selection scenario in the us in the past.

with the proleration of the internet, the legally safe availability of girls is much more easily determined than the days of soliciting street walkers, or patronizing massage parlors. but, that having been said, the prospect of patronizing us hos does not even cross my mind. i do not like disappointment, and disappointment in comparison to monterrey or foreign venues looms large for me in the us...been there done that, and it isn't getting any better.

[quote=doubt98]to expand on hot girls from lower social classes. don't forget that money can make anyone look a lot better. the clothes, hair, lack of hard work, little or no exposure to the elements. these things can make the same girl look totally different. that is why it seems that the rich have more hot women, they just stay hotter, longer. how many poor women even know what a dermatologist is, much less have the expendable income to see one. and that is not implying cosmetic surgery.
take me for an example, i don't look great, but neither does my income.[/quote]

Long time reader, occassional writer. Hello to Carlos & Wasted.coming back to Monterrey again! I was reading the posts and came across The Studd post dated 11. 13. I know all these activites have risks, but I thought all the girls working at clubs did go through regular tests & visits to the doctors. Any comments from the experts?

Dollar,

Please tell MJ I said 'Holas".

Someday I will get a 'round-to-it' from Office Max and will send him an email.

Thanks DB.

[QUOTE=Dollar Bill]Hi all,

You all probably do not know me because I normally do not post on this thread but I have some info from Mill Just that I wanted to pass along to those of you that have read his posts and liked what he had to say.

Anyway... I have been in contact with Mill Just (off this board) and he wanted to me to pass along this message to you all... THANK YOU TO ALL THOSE THAT HAVE READ HIS REPORTS AND BECAME VIRTUAL FRIENDS WITH HIM ON THIS BOARD.

It is sad that he is not on the ISG board any longer but if you would like to be in contact with him, send ME a PM and I will pass it along to him and also provide to you a way to contact him. He has authorized me doing this for him.


Take care all and enjoy the life!

$Bill

PS - His wish is to still help out those that desire his help.

PSS - just so Jackson does not erase this message, I wanted to let you all know that a couple of months ago, I was in Mty and had the love motel call in an escort. The cost was $1200 pesos and the girl was very nice. She was a little cold at first but then warmed up after 15 minutes of getting to know each other. I am sorry that I don't have the contact number but I hope the pricing info would help. From her looks, she was from an Executive level (not a street girl).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Bob, so what exactly are you trying to say?[/QUOTE]

For WastedG, and others that DO NOT like to read...

In summary, their hos are better than our hos, and why...simple. :D

I don't know, I was getting board, noticed that Doubt98 had no responses to his comments, had a few moments available to comment, so I created a monster.

I'll go back to sleep again for a few more days :D

[QUOTE=Sportv]Long time reader, occassional writer. Hello to Carlos & Wasted.coming back to Monterrey again! I was reading the posts and came across The Studd post dated 11. 13. I know all these activites have risks, but I thought all the girls working at clubs did go through regular tests & visits to the doctors. Any comments from the experts?[/QUOTE]

There are raids by the Mexican authorities to check to see that all the girls working in the clubs have their authorization cards to work, indicating that they have passed their health examinations for the two week period they are working. The clubs will not employ a girl that does not have the proper documentation from the "health police." But, afterall, it is Mexico, and where there is a will to go around the system, there is probably a dozen ways.

But, generally, the clubs themselves are quite strict because they can be shut down if girls are caught working that do not have authorization. But, regardless of that health requirement, there are always other STDs that are contagious, conditions that are not necessary tested for, such as genital warts.

I have also heard cases where girls have contracted diseases within the two week period between testing, and had opportunity to potentially pass those STDs on to clients. There are several STDs that can be transmitted without actually having direct contact with the infected membranes, thereby passing them through close, intimate contact, and not necessarily passing them through intercourse. Plus, for example, in the case of genital herpes, it's my understanding that unless there is an outbreak, it is difficult to detect, and that it can be transmitted without any outbreak even being evident, and especially so with respect to females passing it on to males.

And, with respect to commentary about El Infinito specifically. Whatever was heard about El Infinito is highly suspect, IMHO, and should be taken with a considerable grain of salt. I suspect there might even possibly be a conspiracy to slander the name of El Infinito here, primarily because it is one of the clubs recommended by those of us that frequent Monterrey, and it may also be a conspiracy by rival club owners to influence the viability of their own businesses at the expense of El Infinito. El Infinito is a perfect model of success, where some other clubs languish in getting ten patrons in the door. That's my theory. I have no direct evidence to back it up.

However, there are routinely, but not frequent, instances at El Infinito, where girls are found to have diseases during the course of their examinations, and those girls are immediately fired. But, the frequency of that occurence in no more often than any of the other clubs in town.

As for the attitude of the girls in general, the girls do not take the threat of losing their lucrative jobs lightly, and most are quite careful about wearing protection for that reason alone. But, more commonly, the girls are more frightened of becoming pregnant than anything else. They value their jobs, certainly, but they seem to really be adverse to taking on an eighteen year responsibility just for the few minutes of pleasure they enjoy sin condom.

I would not consider one or two remarks about Infinito girls an attempt to sabotage the place especially when you follow your comments with your own comments that Infinito did in fact had some of those so-called cases.

Infinito is just like any other club. No one is trying to destroy it. What happens behind closed doors vs. what we see are totally different schemes of which we, the public, will never learn.

Wasted

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]
And, with respect to commentary about El Infinito specifically. Whatever was heard about El Infinito is highly suspect, IMHO, and should be taken with a considerable grain of salt. I suspect there might even possibly be a conspiracy to slander the name of El Infinito here, primarily because it is one of the clubs recommended by those of us that frequent Monterrey, and it may also be a conspiracy by rival club owners to influence the viability of their own businesses at the expense of El Infinito. El Infinito is a perfect model of success, where some other clubs languish in getting ten patrons in the door. That's my theory. I have no direct evidence to back it up.

However, there are routinely, but not frequent, instances at El Infinito, where girls are found to have diseases during the course of their examinations, and those girls are immediately fired. But, the frequency of that occurence in no more often than any of the other clubs in town.
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]I would not consider one or two remarks about Infinito girls an attempt to sabotage the place especially when you follow your comments with your own comments that Infinito did in fact had some of those so-called cases.

Infinito is just like any other club. No one is trying to destroy it. What happens behind closed doors vs. what we see are totally different schemes of which we, the public, will never learn.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

Well, I believe that the original comment made about El Infinito came from a taxi driver to a monger that reported what the taxi driver had told him.

So, a third, and more credible theory compared to those that were previously speculated, is that taxi drivers earn commissions at the high end clubs. El Infinito is NOT where they want to take us. Draw your own conclusions.

Theories that I might have with respect to motivations for certain comments on this board are well founded in past disengenous, self serving commentary. So, theories I might have about underlying motivations with respect to some comments that find their way to this board are not, therefore, entirely unfounded...verdad??? :D

My only point was to illustrate that to disrepute El Infinito, and to suggest it is somehow more offensive than any other club in Monterrey, is misleading commentary that should not be taken to heart by the reader, who is looking for factual information on how to assess the clubs.

There are other motivations in play here...maybe those of a greedy taxi driver, maybe those of rival bar promoters, maybe other more sinister reasons, etc...I know of several posts here the last couple of weeks that are complete and total Bullshit, including posts about clubs that do not even exist in Monterrey.

The point is not to cast doubt on the poster, or his credibility, or to function as some kind of serial antagonist, but to correct misconceptions suggested by the content of a post, a post that suggested that El Infinito is somehow inferior to other clubs due to incidents of STDs.

We all know differently, and in vivid terms.

Hello Sportv,.. when can Monterrey expect you back???


[QUOTE=Sportv]Long time reader, occassional writer. Hello to Carlos & Wasted.coming back to Monterrey again! I was reading the posts and came across The Studd post dated 11. 13. I know all these activites have risks, but I thought all the girls working at clubs did go through regular tests & visits to the doctors. Any comments from the experts?[/QUOTE]

" I expect our lowest class girls, comparatively, are quite ugly, are definitely quite a bit FATTER!, and showing the vivid signs of signficant drug abuse and/or alcoholism, thereby making them signficantly less attractive. :D"


There was the quote from the man who dreamed of coming to the United States and he said "I want to go to the U.S. where even the poor people are fat."
That just shows what we describe as poverty versus what other countries describe as poverty.

I didn't mean to kick up so much dirt with my post, but I would tend to agree with SpongeBob (the board legend). The taxi driver tips from the high end clubs are a motive. Several times I have had taxi drivers try to recommend other clubs besides Infinito.

Amigomio, I am arriving tomorrow and I sent you an email.

[QUOTE=Doubt98]" I expect our lowest class girls, comparatively, are quite ugly, are definitely quite a bit FATTER!, and showing the vivid signs of signficant drug abuse and/or alcoholism, thereby making them signficantly less attractive. :D"

There was the quote from the man who dreamed of coming to the United States and he said "I want to go to the U.S. where even the poor people are fat."
That just shows what we describe as poverty versus what other countries describe as poverty.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, and just take a look at the difference in time periods. Look as those old paintings and photos of the girls sitting on the pianos in the saloons and bars of yesteryear, circa 1850-1900....the girls depicted as sexy were quite pudgy.

Frankly, from my own personal perspective, I wish mature, slightly portly gentleman were considered the "sexiest men alive." At one time, back in the 1850's, it was most certainly the case. :D Fat demonstrated success, which translated for females into "sexy."

Well, my own personal opinion, after having become somewhat wiser with years with respect to the female psyche, is that most girls, where physical attributes are concerned in males, have a different take on what is sexy than we males have when making similiar judgements about females.

This is sexy to females...regardless of physical attributes, within reason of course:

1. A guy with lots of money, and one that showers his girl with significant amounts of it. The old saying that "money can't buy love" is not really true. Money can feather a pretty secure nest for most women, and love follows pretty closely, provided other strategies are adhered to.

2. A guy that has power, political, business, social position, whatever...

3. A guy who is faithful to her without question...

4. A guy who constantly tells her he loves her, and demonstrates it regularly in romantic ways, assuring her that there are no others through his attentions and desire to be with her in the mundane living of life...

Those attributes in a male can, and do overcome mild physical deficiencies, within reason of course. Girls are not altogether "visual," such as males, they are "feeling oriented." The profound difference between the two sexes, IMHO. Males are "visual," females are "feeling."

I don't mean that this can overcome the physical deficiencies of the Elephant man, but those four strategies diminish from the female perspective, physical deficiencies inherent in some males. In summary, females are far more forgiving with respect to making their physical evaluations of us with respect to "love" and "sex" than males. Thank God!!!

The problem for us is, with respect to legitimate relationships, and where physcial attractiveness may be an issue compared to the Brad Pitts of the world, is that you have to first get the interview, and worm your way into their psyche in order to score. Getting the interview is the challenge, especially where age difference is significant.

Fortunately, getting the interview, in circumstances where we patronize our girlfriends for P4P, is not an obstacle, and the romance is more easily engaged in. Their shields are lowered, the money permits to us to do an end run, eliminating entirely the whole "interview" process that is so difficult with good girl endeavors. :D P4P is so much less work.

I don't suggest that a physical component for females is not a factor, but I do believe, quite strongly, that it is not as important a factor where females are concerned compared to the male perspective. And, I do not suggest that we should be using tactics to disengenuously engage in misleading girls with disengenuous strategies when we find girls that are GFE in P4P. But, sometimes the chemistry leads to romance. In that instance, the P4P experience can be quite satisfying, provided one doesn't lose site of the reality associated with engaging in hi-bred GFE relationships originally initiated by P4P, and eventually moving to a different level of intimacy.

Fat-pudgy-full figure was equal to "Abundance"... that started to change in the 80's.

Bad side of this is "image"... everyone is being forced into "thin" when doctors will tell you that some people just can't be thin.

Jennifer Love Hewitt acused of being "fat" when she is below average weight wise... Brittney Spears accused (that word is ugly, "accused") of being fat...

When are people going to stop this "thin" thing? Till you get a less then "zero" size?

Same thing with "depilation" stupid thing which you Americans started as a business fad with the excuse that hairless is equal to "clean".
Now it's spreading to men, where the young generations see you as an ugly hairy man if you have hair in your chest.

I hope this stupid fad goes away as drinking bottled water is coming to an end now that it has been discovered that the phrase "drink 2 gallons of pure water per day" was invented by the bottled water companies so people would buy their products.




[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Yeah, and just take a look at the difference in time periods. Look as those old paintings and photos of the girls sitting on the pianos in the saloons and bars of yesteryear, circa 1850-1900....the girls depicted as sexy were quite pudgy.

Frankly, from my own personal perspective, I wish mature, slightly portly gentleman were considered the "sexiest men alive." At one time, back in the 1850's, it was most certainly the case. :D Fat demonstrated success, which translated for females into "sexy."

Well, my own personal opinion, after having become somewhat wiser with years with respect to the female psyche, is that most girls, where physical attributes are concerned in males, have a different take on what is sexy than we males have when making similiar judgements about females.

This is sexy to females...regardless of physical attributes, within reason of course:

1. A guy with lots of money, and one that showers his girl with significant amounts of it. The old saying that "money can't buy love" is not really true. Money can feather a pretty secure nest for most women, and love follows pretty closely, provided other strategies are adhered to.

2. A guy that has power, political, business, social position, whatever...

3. A guy who is faithful to her without question...

4. A guy who constantly tells her he loves her, and demonstrates it regularly in romantic ways, assuring her that there are no others through his attentions and desire to be with her in the mundane living of life...

Those attributes in a male can, and do overcome mild physical deficiencies, within reason of course. Girls are not altogether "visual," such as males, they are "feeling oriented." The profound difference between the two sexes, IMHO. Males are "visual," females are "feeling."

I don't mean that this can overcome the physical deficiencies of the Elephant man, but those four strategies diminish from the female perspective, physical deficiencies inherent in some males. In summary, females are far more forgiving with respect to making their physical evaluations of us with respect to "love" and "sex" than males. Thank God!!!

The problem for us is, with respect to legitimate relationships, and where physcial attractiveness may be an issue compared to the Brad Pitts of the world, is that you have to first get the interview, and worm your way into their psyche in order to score. Getting the interview is the challenge, especially where age difference is significant.

Fortunately, getting the interview, in circumstances where we patronize our girlfriends for P4P, is not an obstacle, and the romance is more easily engaged in. Their shields are lowered, the money permits to us to do an end run, eliminating entirely the whole "interview" process that is so difficult with good girl endeavors. :D P4P is so much less work.

I don't suggest that a physical component for females is not a factor, but I do believe, quite strongly, that it is not as important a factor where females are concerned compared to the male perspective. And, I do not suggest that we should be using tactics to disengenuously engage in misleading girls with disengenuous strategies when we find girls that are GFE in P4P. But, sometimes the chemistry leads to romance. In that instance, the P4P experience can be quite satisfying, provided one doesn't lose site of the reality associated with engaging in hi-bred GFE relationships originally initiated by P4P, and eventually moving to a different level of intimacy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Fat-pudgy-full figure was equal to "Abundance"... that started to change in the 80's.

Bad side of this is "image"... everyone is being forced into "thin" when doctors will tell you that some people just can't be thin.

Jennifer Love Hewitt acused of being "fat" when she is below average weight wise... Brittney Spears accused (that word is ugly, "accused") of being fat...

When are people going to stop this "thin" thing? Till you get a less then "zero" size?

Same thing with "depilation" stupid thing which you Americans started as a business fad with the excuse that hairless is equal to "clean".
Now it's spreading to men, where the young generations see you as an ugly hairy man if you have hair in your chest.

I hope this stupid fad goes away as drinking bottled water is coming to an end now that it has been discovered that the phrase "drink 2 gallons of pure water per day" was invented by the bottled water companies so people would buy their products.[/QUOTE]



Awwww, you're just mad because you like tall wide girls, verdad? :D

Lets be politically correct, and go a step further...

It is the entertainment and fashion industries that started that hairless fad, as well as the "boyishly" thin, female models craze, as well as the "you can't be too thin," regardless of your sex, fad.

Realistically, those responsible for those particular fads occupy a very small percentage of the population in the US, but they have undeserved influence in those industries.

Gay preferences have undue influence over fashion coming out of the USA and Europe, and they also have tremendously strong influence in the entertainment industry, which defines sex appeal contrary to the attitudes of more than 90% of the US population.

So, when naming the US as the culprit for such foolishness, lets not forget that the influences that bring about those fads originate from a very small number of people who have undue influence over their industries, thereby proliferating influence that is opposed by more than probably 90% of the US population.

And, on a similiar note, we are not even yet discussing the influence of these same kinds of minority influences upon the absolute ruin of the recording industry in the USA.

My bank called me this morning saying there are "unusual" charges on my credit card. Looks like someone duplicated my card and has gone on a xmas shopping spree in San Nicolas, Apocada, Graza, Morelia, Monterrey ... and the list goes on. About 30 charges with most recent as yesterday.

Draw your own conclusions.

Wasted