East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=CuriouSexplorer;1966596]May I ask how common is the Massage Scam?
[/QUOTE]As SamCan posted there are 2 levels of scams:

1/ Giving you service for a higher price.

This one is just a matter of showing you know your game. Always make sure of the price BEFORE you get serviced and negotiate a fair price else you may end up being overcharged (mainly toursit or expat areas).

2/ The real scams.

There are different versions of these scams but as posted here in other posts and mainly in tourist areas like nanjing east road by the sofitel you get approached for "lady massage".

If you follow the tout you'll be taken to a KTV room or massage room where a girl will quickly service you.

From there either while you are without cloth or after you dressed up and are about to leave (reports vary) you will be showed a 10 000 RMB+ bill for the room and service fees as you got an illegal service and it has heavy fees for them to protect you. To influence your decision to pay 3 to 5 guys, some tall and heavy weights, will join you and make it so you cannot leave without paying.

Sometimes they even record the scene on camera. I think some guy posted he called the police on the touts to get his money back and the record of him getting a BJ was given to the police ending up with him being kicked out of the country (surprising as it should also be an issue for the place but that was the report).

In the end there aren't so many places that will scam you if you stay away from the tourist / expat areas. Becoming regular to a MP where you had good experience is also the best way to remove the risk of being scammed and promoting better service from the girls whom will know you are a regular and need to be treated with care.

I have tried a few of the SNG on the last few trips. This is a very good resource and pictures are accurate. Here is a summary of the gals:

Maria. Independent, books by phone, email etc. She is taller than typical, very long beautiful hair, very nice figure. See is in her 40's maybe even late 40's. But she is a pretty MILF. Good kisser. Nice to talk with. A good girlfriend experience. BBBJ was lackluster and un-enthusiastic. She does not like CIM at all, so if that is important to you I would not book her. After the Full service (covered) and BBBJ (without CIM) she immediately goes to the bathroom and spits, coughs, and rinses and jumps in the shower. This very much distracts from the girlfriend experience. I think she is best for a dinner date rather than a 2 HR appointment. More expensive than others also. Not so much recommended, will not repeat.

Beverly. Also independent and books via phone, email. She is very petite. Very good kisser. Very much a girlfriend experience. Much DFK. Excellent BBBJ, DT, CIM etc. Very hot. Much better service than Maria. English is very good also so she is great for dinner etc. Very reasonable overnight rate. Highly recommended. Already repeated.

Lisa. Book through hotline. Great figure. Her webpage says no DFK, but she jumped on me in elevator up to room and lots of DFK. She was a lot of fun. Little English but used translator. He breasts are very nice as the pictures show. Recommended, would repeat.

Purple. Book through hotline. Little bit on the heavy side as pictures show. Very good service though, as described so I wanted to try. No English, lots of kissing, recommended will not repeat.

I have seen reports of places being closed. One week ago on a Sunday afternoon, I went to Sacrosa for the first time. I did not find it immediately but finally found it. Shangcheng Road Station on Line 9, use exit 3. The Huashen Building is across from Mr Pancake. On the 5th Floor. There is a educational company on the 4th floor so I rode up the elevator with a family of 3.

Locker room, shower, paper shorts, cloth top, private TV room then shortly thereafter called to see lineup of 12. Not high end sauna quality but quite acceptable. The uniform is a micro mini dress not covering up too much. Massage, if you want to call it that, cat bath, AR and she is nude. Cowgirl and missionary. I had time so I stayed to rest in the TV room and watched the new Bourne movie. 600 rmb on the way out, I was told if leave before 8:30 600 is the price. Nice upgrade from the many small footie places.

Cal8.

During a recent trip to Shanghai, I was walking along Nanjing East Road towards The Bund, I was just wandering when I had an eye contact with a slim, short Chinese girl who had just come out of a shop opposite the Apple Shop on the other side of the road. She was carrying a shirt she had just bought. I nodded and just said Hello, casually, she responded with a smile. As I was walking, she started walking beside me and engaged in a conversation. She asked questions such as from where I am, what am I doing there, how long I'll stay there, in which hotel I'm staying etc. Then, she invited me for a cup of coffee. I told her that since I'm new there I don't know of any coffee shop. Then she told me that there is one on Dianchi Road. We walked to the coffee shop. As we entered, it did not look like a coffee shop but a bar. There were few people around. I realized that this may not be a convenient place to continue our conversation, so I came out of the bar. She tried to stop me but I told her if she wants we can go to some other place and I kept walking till The Bund. She didn't come along. Later that day, I searched for scams on the net and I read these things are very common there. One should always be on his guard in Shanghai and for that matter anywhere.

[QUOTE=CuriouSexplorer;1966596] Gents, May I ask how common is the Massage Scam? [/QUOTE]

Sinofaguo! Did the laowai get get to keep a copy of his incriminating evidence! I'm surprised the touts would bother, unless they tried to blackmail him with it first.

At Jinshan Road Station on Line 9 & 12, if you use exit 4, now you will be on Damuqiao Road, turn right. Yixueyuan Road and Qingzhen Road meet Damuqiao Road at the next intersection. Turn right on Qingzhen Road and there are numerous places on this long block of Qingzhen Road.

During these past two weeks I have visited two places. I went into a place down toward the west end with King in its name, there is also one on the west end with King in the name, I am not sure if they are related. Room with a thin massage table and a shower. My gal was a slender girl with a skimpy dress on, I would guess mid 20's. A below average massage then she is fully nude while performing cat bath, body to body massage and the whole time trying to get you to upgrade to FS. In rmb, 358 for HJ, 458 for BJ and 558 for FS. I vow to try another place next time.

In the middle of the block, name is in Chinese but the number on the shop is #20. Two prices for massage with HJ: 258 and 298. By his hand motions, a gal with bigger tits is the 298 price. My gal is 26 and uses lots of oil for the back massage along with lots of action on the little brother while on my knees. She wipes the oil off then does cat bath with one of those jelly candies in her mouth and follows with a body to body massage. On the turn over, more cat bath with the jelly candy and in place of a BJ, uses the jelly candy there, not bad. I get a nice tittie massage on little brother before happy ending. All clothes off except for panties and no fingers allowed into panties when I tried. I asked about price for FS when done and she said not allowed. Maybe it is just her.

Cal 8.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1967046]Sinofaguo! Did the laowai get get to keep a copy of his incriminating evidence! I'm surprised the touts would bother, unless they tried to blackmail him with it first.[/QUOTE]Don't know the guy in question but I doubt he was given a copy.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;1967120]Don't know the guy in question but I doubt he was given a copy.[/QUOTE]Thank you Sinofaguo on clarifying scam 2. I mentioned not to follow touts but didn't get into details. Been on the board so long forgot some people may not know the scam.

As far as videotaping, while this is possible. (not to doubt the source) but videos can be proof the person is running a brothel. This can mean years for the owner in a chinese jail vs 2 weeks for the customer and loss of visa. It is not in their best interests to have this copy. That being said, if they are in the tank with the PoPo anything is possible.

To the original OP:

I would worry less about these and just look for the MPs that have the "look" . You will develop MP radar pretty quickly if you hit a couple of the right places. The boards here tend to list a few from time to time. In my experience, 70% plus give a happy ending in Shanghai. (its probably higher).

Tom SF Pm'd me and asked me for clarification on my most expensive freebie. As I recall, I have not seen any comments on this "scam" for a while so I will give the short version of what happened to me. You will read this and think, " I would never let that happen to me. " I know because I thought the same thing. Little did I know within a month of reading the post, I would start down this same path.

1. I met a massage girl and got a massage and he. She was beautiful and quite young (22). She was somewhat innocent and fresh off the farm and had been only doing HEs for a month. She used to do legit massage and had moved over to this place for better money "for her family"

2. I started seeing her 3-4 times a week on my visits every other month "for free". It turns out she was a virgin and had never crossed the line. We went out to dinners. I bought her gifts and she moved into my hotel for the weeks I was in town. We texted and Wechatted when I was in the USA. I fell for her, We finally made love, popped the cherry and it got even better. She was definitely a virgin in the beginning but she learned well and quickly. Teaching a virgin 20 years younger than me was a wonderful time.

3. She figured out that I was not leaving my wife and the game changed. Her girlfriends at the MP had taught her how to get more money from me. Her family were (supposedly) evicted from their house, they needed money. She was going to have to start working at a sauna to make more money. I paid to help as I couldn't bear the thought. It was a good chunk of money.

4. The demands for gifts, money and shopping trips got more and more on each visit to Shanghai. I wised up but it took longer than it should. For all I know she had turned this trick into 3- 4 different boyfriends with the similar scam by the end of our relationship.

I had read a post where the guy tells a similar story. He ended it with "Don't ever fall in love with a massage girl" I thought he was a complete idiot. You can think the same of me because I was an idiot. I do know, however, there are other guys out there like me as they have posted before. The details are different but the story is the same.

If, however, you find yourself saying "Yea, but my girl is different. " It's probably too late and you should run for the door.

Sam Can.

I guess the Chinese government feels she has to protect the virtues of Dr. Who!

You got a prized cherry.

You want to talk expensive freebies: go ask Bernie Ecclestone and Harold Hamm. Their divorce settlements were both a billion USD, and I bet their wives were costly to maintain during the marriage as well.

For the uninitiated, this is another person's video of their entry into a BBS in Shanghai.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieOPETr7UmM[/URL]

Some BBSs do have the same level of looks as saunas.

During a recent visit to Shanghai, I was staying at Zhangjiang Yitel Hotel on Cailun Road, Pudong, not far from the Pudong airport. Adjoining the hotel was a Massage Parlour. At first, I was reluctant to try a massage as it was difficult to communicate, no one could understand English. On my last night at the hotel, I paid a visit to the MP. They showed me a menu card. The writing was in Chinese but the figures in English. I just chose a 90 minutes massage which was at 258 RMB. I was guided to a room by a nice looking lady in her early twenties. The massage was very good and I enjoyed it. When the massage ended, the lady showed me the clock on the wall indicating the time was up. Then she showed 3 with her fingers which I was not able to understand. I got dressed up and came out. I paid at the counter. While I was walking towards the hotel, I asked the gate-man about it. He tried to explain that the girl wanted 300 RMB for FS. It was too late as I had already left the MP.

[QUOTE=CuriouSexplorer;1966596] I'm already in Shanghai and living in the Pudong area. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1967209]You got a prized cherry.

You want to talk expensive freebies: go ask Bernie Ecclestone and Harold Hamm. Their divorce settlements were both a billion USD, and I bet their wives were costly to maintain during the marriage as well.[/QUOTE]Thanks North/ South! No, I am not complaining. It was a lesson I learned well. I shared it here only to warn people. This story has played out a bunch of times in Shanghai.

Going forward I never let it happen again. I had a couple other massage girls tell me (in chinese) "I like you". I immediately responded in chinese "you like my money" one acted insulted, one laughed out loud. Be cause she knew I was right.

There is an underground market to buy the Cherry of a pretty chinese girl in Shanghai. It is considered to bring good business luck. Dpn't ask me how it happens or where the market is. I really don't know. I met a Chinese business man in a bar that told me about it. The going rate (I was told) in 2013 was about 30,000 to 40,000 RMB. All I will say is I overpaid during the relationship I had. Of course that rate was for one night. My fun lasted well over a year.

Manfield04.

This is a good lesson for the rest of us, especially the cheap Charlies like myself. Just play dumb and you will get a good bargain. Most of the time she will raise the fingers before any significant action occurs. While she is clutching your little Manfield04 in the other hand. That gets the point across.