Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Maybe should have checked Versailles if so little choice at JC. I had a good time with Red #20 Jip with C cup naturals:[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=723406&highlight=versailles#post723406[/url]She was better than the JC girl I have tried too![/QUOTE]Sounds like a must-try. To be honest, I forgot which way is Versailles from Montien and didn't want to wander around in the warm weather.I also saw IDA on the soapies map, and it's quite near where I'm staying. No feedback on it though, and the website only shows a handful of photos, may be worth a visit one day if I'm too lazy to go far.On a different note, will have to make my way down to Livingstone's for a beer and meet Herr G., may be tonight. I was staying nearby on Sukhumvit and would have been convenient to pop down, but moved to a different place near Rama III and it's a bit inconvenient.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I am a big butterfly too and never had a problem anywhere. Most oilies have a Book system so the original massage girl you had last time can never know you were there unless you walk in their area to see girls in flesh.Akane is very relax for that, the girls I have had before always come and sit with me after my session (even though I did not choose them this time), kiss and fondle, as a reminder that they are still here and want my business.[/QUOTE]The possibility of meeting the girl in the flesh is what scares me and makes me want to go to another massage place when I want to have another lady. But I have this problem probably because I get totally infatuated with my current massage lady. I have a hard time parting with her. And when she makes me promise that I will come back to her. Then I readily promise her. And I mean to keep my promise at that time. But later on I see other sexy ladies. And I want to have the other sexy ladies too. An average massage lady often does have 4 or 5 different men a day. It's just that this fact never comes up when I'm with the lady. And it always seems to me that I'm her only man. Perhaps I should joke a little more with my massage lady and tell her that I want to be just like her. I also want to do it 5 times with 5 different ladies in one day. And then she won't be surprised to see me go after her sexy friend, as soon as we walk out of our massage room. And she won't be upset about it either.It's my GFE experience that gets me into so much trouble. And perhaps a good way to avoid this trouble is to let the lady know right from the beginning that I'm a big butterfly. And I want to do not just her but all of her lady-friends too. This GFE experience is an illusion anyway. The massage lady knows better than anyone else knows that she has 5 men a day. And as long as I don't make any promises to her. Then she probably won't mind seeing me go after her lady-friends for another good massage.But I'm probably not the only man who is having this kind of trouble with the GFE experience. A lot of guys probably believe their GFE experience too much. And that's why they end up running around and looking for other massage parlours.

[QUOTE=Dan7373]An average massage lady often does have 4 or 5 different men a day. [/QUOTE]No No this is not an "average" massage lady. In my experience there are many average MP girls who get 1 to 2 customers per day and some days get none. Depends on whether business is busy.Its only the really special girls that can get 4 to 5 day consistently.Our view often gets skewed by the interest in very popular superstar girls.Look, at Utopia, late on Sat night, every girl will be taken but that doesn't mean they are busy all day. It also doesn't mean they are busy on quiet days .The very busy girls don't work every day either. Many of the so called "Models" at soapies are lazy. They get a big payout from just one customer, so once they get their good payout, they often go home.I am not as knowledgable with how hard girls at Oilies work but it must vary tremendously also.There are a massive number of massage places and many are struggling to get enough business.Many if not most MPs have a lot more more girls than they have rooms. Simple maths will tell you that they cannot be working even close to continuously on avareage.At Angel 26 there are usually a large number of girls available. O.K. A stunning superstar like Kristen never seemed to be available. But this is not "average".

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]No No this is not an "average" massage lady. In my experience there are many average MP girls who get 1 to 2 customers per day and some days get none....There are a massive number of massage places and many are struggling to get enough business....[/QUOTE]I have no way of knowing what the true average is. But even if the lady gets only 1 customer a day, and she works 5 days a week. Then in two weeks she ends up having 10 men. Which sounds reasonable to me. I think I can match that kind of a performance and have 10 ladies in two weeks. If I tell the young lady that I admire her sexual prowess and I want to be just like she is. Then I might actually be able to follow through on that and have 10 ladies over a two-week period. I've always believed in equality between men and women. And it would be nice to see for a change if I'm good enough to equal the young woman's performance. But as I said earlier, a lot of massage places are loosing many of their customers unnecessarily. Their massage girls play-up the GFE experience too much with their men. These ladies make their men promise them that they will come back next time for another session with them. And then these men feel uncomfortable about breaking their promises. These men want to butterfly and have other sexy ladies too. And they end up going to other massage parlours in order to avoid offending the lady they've made promises to.I think many of these struggling massage places would have a lot more business if they encourage their customers to butterfly freely among their ladies. When I go to a massage place full of ladies. I usually see at least 10 ladies I'd like to be with. And I would probably keep coming back there until I do have all 10 of those ladies that I like so much. The only thing that stops me from doing that is the psychological pressure from my first massage lady to stay with her. In my weak moment she makes me promise her that I will come back to her. And then I end up going to other massage parlours in order to avoid embarrassing myself and breaking my promise in front of her.The thing is it's often hard for a man to say 'no' to an attractive woman, especially when his dick is in her hands. It's easy for such lady to make her man promise something to her that he might not want to do later on. And this often creates a situation where the man doesn't feel comfortable coming back there. Because he doesn't want to keep the promise he made. But he also doesn't want to embarrass himself and break his promise in front of the lady.I think a massage place where the ladies actively encourage their customers to butterfly among their friends would end up getting a lot more business. Because the same man may end up coming back there 10 times in order to have all of the ladies he likes. And all of the ladies would end up having more business. Because it won't be just one man butterflying among them. It will be many men coming back again and again in order to have all the ladies they like.When the man is under no pressure. And he is allowed to behave naturally. Then he ends up spending more money and having more ladies. Because it's his natural inclination to be with all the ladies he likes, without missing any one of them. Only lack of money would stop a completely free and uninhibited man from doing each and every lady he likes.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]No No this is not an "average" massage lady. In my experience there are many average MP girls who get 1 to 2 customers per day and some days get none. Depends on whether business is busy.Its only the really special girls that can get 4 to 5 day consistently.Our view often gets skewed by the interest in very popular superstar girls.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. An Average Massage lady will often get about 3 to 5 customers a week depending on how busy the Oily is.I can guarantee you that the superstars at Angels are very busy, they do get their 4 customers/day. Thing with the oilies is that after 4 customers, the ladies are allowed to go home and rest. In the case of Kristen, she is booked weeks in advance and usually booked for several days. Mostly by Japanese businessmen who buy her out for their whole trip so she is there at their disposal.An angels girl for the day will cost you 3,000 (and that is only for the Massage shop).

[QUOTE=Dan7373]It's my GFE experience that gets me into so much trouble. And perhaps a good way to avoid this trouble is to let the lady know right from the beginning that I'm a big butterfly. [/quote]That would certainly give her an idea of what you want. On the other hand, it can also spoil it for you because the lady might never give you her best performance knowing that your chances of returning to see her are slim.[quote]And as long as I don't make any promises to her. Then she probably won't mind seeing me go after her lady-friends for another good massage.[/quote]Wrong. Once you try a massage lady and have the special with her, you are her customer. However rational your thinking is, forget it and start seeing things like a Thai Girl (that way you will understand better). If she sees you with another girl from her shop, she will not be happy because the way she sees it, you are HER source of income (or ATM if you prefer).It is already very hard for these girls to get customers so they want to ensure the ones they had turn into repeaters.

[QUOTE=Dan7373]But as I said earlier, a lot of massage places are loosing many of their customers unnecessarily. Their massage girls play-up the GFE experience too much with their men. These ladies make their men promise them that they will come back next time for another session with them. And then these men feel uncomfortable about breaking their promises. These men want to butterfly and have other sexy ladies too. And they end up going to other massage parlours in order to avoid offending the lady they've made promises to.[/quote]This only happends in Caucasian men's cases. Sorry but the Thais and Japanese aren't like us. The girls know most of us have a big ego adn a soft heart so they will try and make us feel as guilty as possible to make sure we return to them.Japanese adn Thai really understand the concept of P4P, the money holder is in control. If a girl gives them shit because they took another, they will simply cut her off and pick another (and she will have lost their business forever)[quote]I think many of these struggling massage places would have a lot more business if they encourage their customers to butterfly freely among their ladies. [/quote]Don't mix things up here, the massage places encourage you to come back and pick any lady you like already. The issue is not about the massage place, it is between the girls.All the massage place cares about is that you are happy enough to come back to their shop (no matter who you pick).[quote]The only thing that stops me from doing that is the psychological pressure from my first massage lady to stay with her. In my weak moment she makes me promise her that I will come back to her. And then I end up going to other massage parlours in order to avoid embarrassing myself and breaking my promise in front of her.[/quote]The problem is with you, not her. There are many sweet ways to tell her that you will return to her but that you want to try other ladies also. Look, whatever way you see it, you are a customer and no business is happy to see their customer go to the competition, but be clear with her.If this case would happen to me, I would nicely tell her that I am only a customer to her and that I would like to see other ladies to try. If she tell you that you are more than a customer to her, then give her your number and invite her to call whenever she wants to see you.[quote]The thing is it's often hard for a man to say 'no' to an attractive woman, especially when his dick is in her hands. It's easy for such lady to make her man promise something to her that he might not want to do later on.[/quote]If she has your dick in her hand, then she should be working it and not talking. Tell her to "shut up", get busy and that you will talk later LOL (when the blood flows in the upper part of your body).[quote]When the man is under no pressure. And he is allowed to behave naturally. Then he ends up spending more money and having more ladies. Because it's his natural inclination to be with all the ladies he likes, without missing any one of them. Only lack of money would stop a completely free and uninhibited man from doing each and every lady he likes.[/QUOTE]As far as I know, you are free to behave naturally. Keep in mind these girls see you as a customer so you should not see them as your girlfriend. Don't get emotionally involved. You are there to fuck a great looking gal for money, that's all, save the drama for your girlfriend ;)If the massage lady does not understand that you want to try other ladies, then don't take her anymore.

Although I have the desire to be with a variety of women, I've found that my best experiences have been with women who perceive me to be their regular. For that reason, I always pick my regular when I'm in her establishment. Everyone finds something that works well for him, but I find I get the most satisfaction when I treat her as someone special and don't butterfly in her place.Canyon

[QUOTE=Dan7373]I have no way of knowing what the true average is. But even if the lady gets only 1 customer a day, and she works 5 days a week. Then in two weeks she ends up having 10 men. Which sounds reasonable to me. I think I can match that kind of a performance and have 10 ladies in two weeks. If I tell the young lady that I admire her sexual prowess and I want to be just like she is. ...But as I said earlier, a lot of massage places are loosing many of their customers unnecessarily. Their massage girls play-up the GFE experience too much with their men. These ladies make their men promise them that they will come back next time for another session with them. And then these men feel uncomfortable about breaking their promises. These men want to butterfly and have other sexy ladies too. And they end up going to other massage parlours in order to avoid offending the lady they've made promises to.....[/QUOTE]O.K. The lady may have 10 men but not because she wants 10 men. Its because she has to make money. So the 10 men don't count in her mind. Its us that actually want 10 different women. so don't try to talk about what is "fair".Now its true that some MP and bar girls really enjoy their work and have orgasms with more than one of their customers. Some girls really do like sex.Not many girls try to make me "promise" to see them next time.Secondly I make a point of never promising anything.I think to say that MPs are losing customers this way is an exaggeration, because not many customers will be embarrassed to return like you indicate.Customers usually stay away after being treated badly.Don't feel so embarassed though. If you want another girl at the same parlour, go for it. But just realise that you are doing the same as most customers and that the first girl will put you back into the butterfly customers category.Nic is right too. Many Thai customers change girls every time to avoid becoming too attached to any girl, regardless of how great she was. Others have just a small number of favourite girls but do change girls often.Most of us westerners will go to multiple girls, and the girls will know it. So the bottom line is, if you want her to become your real GF, or even semi-GF, then don't play up with other girls. If you really want to just play up, then don't feel guilty. And never promise anything.Consider telling the girl that you have a GF already so that she doesn't get too carried away.With most of my regulars, I had a great time on the very first meeting and on each subsequent meeting. So I return to these girls because they were specially good. Sometimes they improved because they know exactly what I like now.But they will only start to think too much, if I start seeing them on a virtually daily basis.Once you get too close to one girl, other girls in the same place may refuse to go with you. It has happened to me. Another time I developed a strong attraction to the best friend of my long time regular girl who I was seeing outside the MP. I realised her best friend had a much more fun character and was slightly overweight but very sexy. I could not do anything about this attraction and just had to look elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Canyon]Although I have the desire to be with a variety of women, I've found that my best experiences have been with women who perceive me to be their regular. For that reason, I always pick my regular when I'm in her establishment. Everyone finds something that works well for him, but I find I get the most satisfaction when I treat her as someone special and don't butterfly in her place.Canyon[/QUOTE]The really great girls were just as good the first time, or not?

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]The really great girls were just as good the first time, or not?[/QUOTE]The really great girls have been good the first time, but on repeat visits, a sense of intimacy grows and a feeling of being comfortable with one another takes effect. Service also improves with each visit, as she learns to do what you like.

[QUOTE=Canyon]The really great girls have been good the first time, but on repeat visits, a sense of intimacy grows and a feeling of being comfortable with one another takes effect. Service also improves with each visit, as she learns to do what you like.[/QUOTE]Yes, this has been also true with my regulars. Only 1 of them got too comfortable (Linda @ Angels) and tried to get lazy on me so I cut her off completely, made it a point to choose girls by walking in their area hoping that Linda would be there and see me, this happened 4 times and she was not very happy. She sent me SMSs but I didn't reply. I am not ready to give her a second chance.

After, reading tons of reports about this place, i went check it in person.Finding the place, was too easy, exit 3 in MRT, walk 20 seconds, and we arrive.There were two doors as mentioned, i correctly choose the right one.As soon as we enter we are in the middle of the action, there was a Fishbowl, but less than a quarter was occupied , but around the fishbowl, there were the sideliners, a lot of them, definitly young, some very,very cute.Papasan, come to inform me the price, that seemed to check with what has been said here. 2000 for the fishbowl girls (not old, but since the sideliners were very young, there was a difference), 2600 for the sideliners.Choose a sideliner (there were some good choices, but almost none made eye contact, and most seemed uninterested, following the good practices teached on this forum, only after a nice smile from one of my candidates i choosed her.She told me was 23, but seemed younguer, her attitude was excelent from beggining till the end, there was only one problem ,she didn't speak a single english word. A single one !My Thai is very weak, so there were some comunications problems that she tried to solve being extra nice. She was from Chiang Rai, and was here for just 2 weeks.The whole experience was very good, i dont quite understand, the complains about the rooms, the sheets on the bed were very clean, there was a bathtube, like the other parlours, its unthinkable i wouldn't come here again because of the rooms.There was no extra charge for a second shot.Some years ago i was in Poseidon, which had a bigger room, but i was really unimpressed.I dont think nataree rooms were a dump, but its only my opinion.With the tip, this was a 3000 Baht experience, arriving home, and near Nana zone, i saw some young and cute girls, that eventually could be on the Nataree lineup. I probably could get 3 of them for the price i payed, of course getting a streetwalker, is not the same as doing it at a parlour, but for all of us with a budget, it can make us think a little bit.Montecristo

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]....Once you get too close to one girl, other girls in the same place may refuse to go with you. It has happened to me....[/QUOTE]I suppose everyone is free to do as they please. But I can say from my own experience that I would've spent a lot more money at my favorite massage place and I would've had many more ladies there. If I didn't feel any pressure from my first massage lady to stay with her.These massage ladies are having many different men anyway. And I don't see why it's such a big deal for these ladies to exchange their men with each other and this way increase their total amount of business.But if massage ladies develop feelings for several different men at the same time. Then so can I. To do such a thing is even more natural for men than it is for women. I want to butterfly. I want to do it with 9 other women. But this doesn't mean that I want to leave my original massage lady forever and ever. Eventually I would come back to her. I want to be close to 10 different women at the same time. And it seems that the only way I can do this in Bangkok is to be a regular customer at 10 different massage parlours. Because as you've said above. Once you get close to one girl. The other girls may refuse to go with you. I suppose it's a hassle to travel around the city so much and not have just one regular massage place to go to. But I can do that. And so can other men who want to be close to several women at the same time. The only thing massage women gain from such an arrangement is an illusion of BFE (boyfriend experience). These women are effectively in a polyandrous situation where they have relationships with several different men at the same time. But at least in their minds they want to pretend that each of their men is exclusively theirs. They feel okay about polyandry for themselves. But polygamy for their men they don't like. Which is a bit hypocritical I would say.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Once you get too close to one girl, other girls in the same place may refuse to go with you. It has happened to me.[/QUOTE]Actually, this happened to me too. I was very offended, before they would go with me but after a while the regular girls who knew me did not want to go with me. The girls who wanted to make trouble would go with me but the girls I was getting to know would not. Kind of pissed me off as I was very attracted to one of the girls.