Jakarta

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1886576]Not every girl is available and there are tons of girls on the other hand, most don't speak English. You get approached every 5 minutes or so. A mama approached me and found me a girl I liked eventually. If you are alone and don't speak the language then I think using mama's help is best way of getting a girl. The place is a giant sleazish club with exact same crazy Asian techno kota music as 2 years ago, and is as fun as Jakarta gets. BTW went to Immigrant 300 K cover and the girls inside are just not worth it. Same hoes as everywhere else except older and dressed better and speak English. Also keep Tinder game in mind. Works pretty good too.

Verdict: Jakarta is still but but drink prices are much higher, and there seem to be a lot more foreigners (european and asian alike).[/QUOTE]In all of my visits to Golden Crown, I have never once been approached by a mamasan. I didn't even know there were any there. You are correct that it's important to be able to speak Bahasa there. If you can't speak Indonesian, it's not an easy pickup spot. Also, if you are Non-Asian you have less chance than if you are Asian. Still a fun spot and there are some opportunities there.

I had about forty eight hours in Jakarta heading home from a visit to Borobudur, near Yogyakarta. Borobudur is home to a fantastic religious structure. It is also home to the largest Buddhist temple, but that pales compared to the Giant Chicken Church which features much smaller crowds and a lower admission fee, though admittedly there are a lot fewer bas-reliefs of topless babes.

I had targeted the Malioboro so I stayed at the Grand Mercure Harmoni, which has taken the window-between-the-bedroom-and-the-shower thing to a new level: About three meters by three meters.

Having lost contact with the ISG (blocked by ISP) for some time I couldn't review the recent info on Malioboro so showed up too early, about 5:30, and the dancers were not doing their thing yet. I had looked forward to a bit of that to get me into the proper mind and dick set. My future bed-mate later said that they start at 8:00.

I grabbed a seat and a Coke and tried to discreetly check out the wares, which is difficult when the wares are checking YOU out. Like I said: Early and few customers. I was a prime target. Eventually a mamasan came over to see if I was looking for company or just really, really wanted a Coke. I was offered, if I recall correctly, Indo, Thai, Chinese, and Uzbek. I think there may have been another that escapes me now.

For no solid reason whatsoever I went with Uzbek. I'd never had an Uzbek before, but I've never had a lobotomy, either, so that is a BS reason. Soon I found out that Uzbek women, at least those haunting that establishment, were large women. But there was a token smaller one and my choice was easy. She was quite cute, even later without clothes, not a spectacular body but no fat, decent ass, and tiny pointy titties. We had a couple of Cokes and chatted. Her English was very good and we seemed to have good chemistry. I had fairly early suggested going upstairs but nothing came of it. After a while I began to wonder if I was in the right place, or what the hell I was doing wrong. We talked for at least thirty minutes before she suddenly had an idea: Did I want to go upstairs? I guess she missed my earlier offer.

So the mamasan was summoned and she wrote some stuff on a piece of paper. I had expected it to be the price and it would be shown to me, as I had read this somewhere. But no: She gave it to my new girlfriend and that was the end of it. Malioboro has a good reputation or I would have been pretty nervous about going up price unseen. Spoiler alert: The price turned out to be in keeping with what I had expected.

So we went to the lobby where she got a key and I got 50,000 rupiahs worth of condoms (2) and a free candy "for energy". I had my own condoms but figured I'd go with the flow. Up to the room we went and were escorted in by an enthusiastic room attendant who hung out enthusiastically until tipped.

And then things changed.

It was the most mechanical service I've had since the milking machine on the farm. Separate showers, about thirty seconds of snuggling and dick stroking, then on goes 25,000 rupiahs of condom and on she goes. We're not talking covered BJ here, we're talking NO BJ. And BJ's are my favorite! She rode vigorously with the typical fake moaning, but after a while suggested we switch, so I mounted her mish and pounded on. And on. And on. Between the lack of sensitivity due to the condom (always a problem for me) and the more or less complete detachment of my bed mate (I think she was moaning in her sleep) things weren't working out so after a seriously long attempt we switched back. By now the little fellow was really tired of the condom so after a bit it had to be hand-resuscitated. Eventually a happy finish was reached and then she was quickly back to the shower. I followed and by the time my quick shower was done she was waiting, fully dressed, to head back down.

At the elevator a room attendant more or less demanded a tip, apparently for calling the elevator or something. Maybe he was the guy who was going to clean up my sweat, in which case he earned it, but it makes you wonder what the first guy did for HIS tip.

I'll return at some point because I really like the setup at the Jakarta spas. I hit Hotel Travel, I think it was, a few years ago with much better results, a hot Indo who was GFE throughout the bed fun and even for quite a spell afterward. Probably taking the one hot Uzbek was not a good idea, and I had my reservations at the start, but as I said the time in the lounge was quite nice. It was like she had dual personalities that were determined by what floor she was on.

As noted above, the price seemed to be in keeping with Sean EZ's sideliner but it was sort of hard to figure out the receipt afterward. I think the charge for the girl is deliberately kept off of the itemized bill and only added to the final one, maybe for legal reasons or to give the customer a "clean" receipt he can show. Not sure whom he would be showing it to, though I once put a short time hotel on a travel expense report and got it paid.

So not a great experience but I'm still batting 500. Might try Alexis next time.

On the brighter side, I did not have to bribe my way out of the country like last visit.

Gents,

Just a quick note on Coliseum. I went there a few weeks ago. I heard this is supposed to be the new Stadium night club packed with police sponsored drugs and sex. It wasn't completely apparent to me. Its a nice venue and my friends were able to score XTC from the wait staffs. There were a good number of sketchy looking women, however they were not very aggressive or would come over as other FL clubs. Therefore, it wasn't clear to me how much action was going down. Just my experience.

[QUOTE=United1;1889214]Gents,

Just a quick note on Coliseum. I went there a few weeks ago. I heard this is supposed to be the new Stadium night club packed with police sponsored drugs and sex. It wasn't completely apparent to me. Its a nice venue and my friends were able to score XTC from the wait staffs. There were a good number of sketchy looking women, however they were not very aggressive or would come over as other FL clubs. Therefore, it wasn't clear to me how much action was going down. Just my experience.[/QUOTE]To United 1.

This are 2 different club Stadium is a disco / Brothel with freelancer and Mamasan offer girl you can do ST at in house room, you don't get this at other disco but golden crown disco do have a hotel upstairs and a KTV club you can pick up girl there and take them to the hotel I miss the stadium club a lot.

Fast Eddie 48.

Just back from 3 days in Jakarta for the first time in years and tried out 3 venues that I had never visited before.

King Cross. Arrived at 11.30 pm. Cover charge of Rp 150 k payable on leaving. Downstairs bar had no dancers and some average looking women sitting around that didn't appeal much. Went up to the massage place. Also average looking women lounging around half asleep. Didn't ask the prices as I had no interest. Went to the upstairs bar. Crowded. Had to stand for 10 minutes to get a table. Girls in bikinis doing the rounds asking for drinks in singles and pairs. 1 drink for Rp50 k gets you some chat and heavy pressure to buy more drinks. For 5 drinks the girl will take off her top, encourage you to suck her nipples and grind her crotch against yours. For a further 5 drinks some will offer to take their bikini bottom off too and grind on you bollock naked. Remember not to wear white jeans to King Cross! The bikini girls all look in their early 20's and all have good to fantastic figures. Young mothers need not apply. At about midnight half a dozen of the 10/10's did a strip show on stage. I took Janie to the hotel for Rp 1. 6 m and had to pay for another 5 lady drinks to release her from her dancing and titty jiggling duties. BBJ, very good attitude and cooperative. General GFE. She asked for a tip and was happy with Rp200 k. No one else asked for tip on the way out. Walked over the road to find my own taxi from the stand outside. Total bill downstairs including 2 rounds of titty fondling Rp2. 4 m. Well worth it IMHO. A mamasan had offered me a Viet for the same price as the sexy dancers Rp1. 6 m but I didn't check that out as the sexy Indo dancers were too good to miss.

Alexis. Arrived at 9. 30 pm. Club downstairs opens at 10 pm. Went up to the spa. Cover charge of Rp150 k. Girls sitting around in groups according to country of origin. Indo, Thai, Viet, China and former USSR. One or two of the Thais looked OK but most had silicone tits and one tall one with a hugely inflated bust was quite obviously a lady boy (post-op I presumed! The lady boy caught me looking at it and started commented to the others in Thai that I was looking at it, obviously unaware I live in TH and speak the language. Not wanting any trouble I decided not to engage with the Thais. The former USSR girls looked rather unappealing and there are plenty of warnings about the poor service one can expect from them. Some of the Chinese and Viets looked quite nice but I was there for Indos. Mamasan seemed friendly and helpful. Prices quoted were Rp1. 4 m for Indos and Rp2. 4 m for foreign girls. I didn't see any local girls I thought were in the 8-10/10 range but picked Tania, a 7/10, quite pretty but with a fake nose, who spoke only a little Inggris. For the price you get 30 minutes in the spa + 1 hour in the sack or just 1 hour in the sack, if you are in a hurry. Time in the jacuzzi was fun with Tania doing a bit of massage and then grinding on my boner. Then she made me get out of the water with the boner sticking out horizontally in the large pair of shorts they make you wear. Into the room and Tania made a good effort with CBJ etc but fell short of GFE and her body was quite nice but I was spoiled by Janie's 10/10 and GFE the night before. Anyway, definitely adequate but not sensational. Afterwards she pushed for a Rp300 k tip. The attendants in the locker room made it clear they expected tips and when I went the toilet before leaving one of the attendants rushed in and pulled a paper towel out of the dispenser for me with other hand outstretched for tip. Paid bill of Rp1. 4 m plus cost of a beer. Waited for a taxi to arrive with a new customer without being asked for a tip, while young Chinese guys got into a chauffeur driver smoked glass S-class. I liked the monkey business in the spa but otherwise thought the selection and experience were quite good but not overwhelming compared to what's available in TH. Alexis is a bit spoiled by the fussiness of being told what to do at every stage by rather serious looking male attendants. Once you know the drill, it should be better. On the way out I went to have a look at the downstairs club which was now open and was sternly hauled out for some reason, perhaps because I hadn't paid a cover charge for it.

Malioboro. Arrived at 6 pm. Went up to the spa. Cover charge Rp130 k and was told the price was Rp900 k outside. Inside the mamasan says it is actually Rp1. 2 m. When I asked why the variance, she says 1. 2 m includes a 300 k tip for the girl. Reasonable selection of Indos only, some 8/10's. In the room she stripped off and had a quite nice body but went into a rather perfunctory routine like a lot of the parlour girls in BKK who have their own strict routine and don't want to vary much from that. Condom on immediately, cuddling, playing with titties or snatch discouraged after a few seconds. CBJ with her sitting between her legs to ensure I can't grab any part of her. Then girl on top with fake moaning, expected it to finish in a couple of minutes. But it didn't due to lack of foreplay on her part and boredom and jadedness on mine. So she ended up having to work quite hard for her money, not understanding what the problem was. No further tip demanded by her in addition to the Rp300 k added to the bill. Paid Rp1. 2 m downstairs. Then the fun started when they asked me if I wanted a taxi, although it is on a busy street and I could see taxis going by that I could easily have hailed for myself. It took them several minutes to get a cab and two doormen demanded tips one after the other saying "I call taxi for you". Then when I get into the car another two security demand tips for calling the taxi and didn't want to let me close the car door. Even though one of those probably did call the car, I was fed up by then and tugged the door shut without paying any more and drove off with the driver roaring with laughter. Perhaps I just had bad luck with a girl who was quite pretty but not my style on the sack, as I don't like a bit of pretense that I am in control. They was no problem wandering around the club and looking into the bar etc but the final episode with 4 guys all claiming they called the taxi and demanding tips pissed me off. If like the place and you're prepared for this annoyance and have Rp5-10 k ready for each, you might not mind. But I wouldn't go there again with that hassle and the less than stellar experience upstairs.

In sum I liked the King Cross sexy dancer bar the best. You can get hassled a lot by sexy dancer girls demanding drinks. But where else in the world can get a young 10/10 topless girl sticking her tits in your face and grinding herself on your boner for 10 minutes for US $18 with the option of a GFE in the sack with her or one of her friends for US $135 including tip? You might get a good shag in BKK for less than that in BKK but most clubs in Bkk don't have such an impressive line up of girls and the titty experience you get for 5 lady drinks at KC is unrivaled in BKK. I thought my girl there would probably be a bit of a head banger doing a job like that but when I got her in the room she seemed quite normal and sweet to talk to. In contrast the girls I got at Alexis and Malioboros came across more like hardened hookers to me. Anyway, every monger has his own preferences and the venues can change quite rapidly but these were my observations in June 2016.

[QUOTE=Jaojoby;1889845]One or two of the Thais looked OK but most had silicone tits and one tall one with a hugely inflated bust was quite obviously a lady boy (post-op I presumed! The lady boy caught me looking at it and started commented to the others in Thai that I was looking at it, obviously unaware I live in TH and speak the language. Not wanting any trouble I decided not to engage with the Thais. [/QUOTE]There was a gorgeous Thai lady boy working Malioboro about 10 years ago. It was amazing how popular she was with the local indos and local chinese clients there. As soon as the lady boy would come downstairs, she / he would be immediately selected again and go right back up. I was surprised Malioboro was allowing a lady boy to work there. Indos are not used to post-op lady boys and how they can look and feel basically exactly like women. My bet is that those guys had no idea they were having sex with a lady boy, and would deny it even today if you asked them if it was a lady boy (because they don't realize it). My recommendation to anyone is to avoid any Thais in those places.

I agree with you that KC is the best alternative of these 3 places. It seems many here prefer Hotel Classic because it is dirt cheap. But the combination of quality and service is so drastically superior at KC, I find Classic to be a waste of time. It just depends what you are wanting. If you want a cheap shag with a young girl and don't care if the service is starfish, you can't beat Hotel Classic. I have honestly never tried the dancers at KC, but there are some there that I would like to sample for sure.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1889975]There was a gorgeous Thai lady boy working Malioboro about 10 years ago. It was amazing how popular she was with the local indos and local chinese clients there. As soon as the lady boy would come downstairs, she / he would be immediately selected again and go right back up. I was surprised Malioboro was allowing a lady boy to work there. Indos are not used to post-op lady boys and how they can look and feel basically exactly like women. My bet is that those guys had no idea they were having sex with a lady boy, and would deny it even today if you asked them if it was a lady boy (because they don't realize it). My recommendation to anyone is to avoid any Thais in those places.

I agree with you that KC is the best alternative of these 3 places. It seems many here prefer Hotel Classic because it is dirt cheap. But the combination of quality and service is so drastically superior at KC, I find Classic to be a waste of time. It just depends what you are wanting. If you want a cheap shag with a young girl and don't care if the service is starfish, you can't beat Hotel Classic. I have honestly never tried the dancers at KC, but there are some there that I would like to sample for sure.[/QUOTE]My guess is that the Thai lady boy at Alexis is a post-op (amputee) and pretends to be a woman, although it is obvious to anyone with BKK experience that this is not the case. At first glance the knockers were extremely tempting, until I got them into proper focus. The problem that many post-ops have is that their artificial vagina is not very big or very robust which can make it painful to have sex repeatedly, or even at all in some cases. Customers in the know will usually opt to bum shag them but, if they are pretending to be bona fide females, they will usually try to make their trick come with a BJ before he has time to investigate what is in their knickers too closely. Some may have a robust enough artificial vagina to to have regular sex with plenty of KY but would have to prevent the customer from fingering them as the orifice is likely to feel unnatural without a proper clit and will not self lubricate at all, if someone gets to it before the KY. The pre-ops pretending to be female in TH will always go for a quick BJ finale, usually refusing to drop their knickers on the grounds of having a period LOL. Nana Plaza in Bkk is going more and more LB for the new Chinese clientele, some of whom know what they are doing and some don't. I imagine it's the same thing at upscale places in Jakarta.

I agree it is best to avoid the Thai girls. They are likely to have been around a few times and be hardened hookers by the time they ply their wares overseas. Much better to go to the source for Thais and try locals in Indo.

I just went to Classic. To my dismay, it was closed. The massage service in my hotel is also closed. They say it is because of "Ramadan day". I hope this is just to mark the beginning of Ramadan, and not for the rest of the month. The guards outside Classic said it would open again tomorrow, but I am not sure whether that means tomorrow Tuesday or tomorrow in a couple of days. In the hotel they said the massage service would only open in a couple of days, i.e. on Wednesday. Anybody out there know how long they will be closed, and whether any other places are open today?

Ramadan. I've been in town for a few days and did not even realize it was Ramadan. My MO is possibly different to most, I work in the morning so need my beauty sleep. I use the various dating sites / apps to have the girls come to my hotel. Starting out a big night at 11 pm and rolling back to my hotel at 4 am is just not an option for me. I've built up some regulars over the years and usually rotate between them but am always on the lookout for new talent.

Was just talking to a girl on Badoo who was lamenting the fact that BATS is closed. When I asked how much she wanted to come to my room she offered 2 million. I tried to explain that one of my regulars just left with 700 and was quite happy, but she would rather have nothing than my 700. Meh, my balls are empty anyway.

Heading to Jakarta next week. Will be staying at the Ritz in Mega Kuningan.

I usually go to Delta Spa near by. Will Delta be open during Ramadan? How about other spas like MyPlace?

Any other places you would recommend in Mega Kuningan area? May end up checking out BATS or Block M.

Thanks for any advice. Really appreciate all the helpful info on the forum.

[QUOTE=Dave#2;1891156]Heading to Jakarta next week. Will be staying at the Ritz in Mega Kuningan.

I usually go to Delta Spa near by. Will Delta be open during Ramadan? How about other spas like MyPlace?

Any other places you would recommend in Mega Kuningan area? May end up checking out BATS or Block M.

Thanks for any advice. Really appreciate all the helpful info on the forum.[/QUOTE]To Dave # 2.

There are always actions here if you know where to go if you are coming next week it should be OK, most sauna and brothel only closed down a few days on the first week of Ramadan just ask the taxi guy or just call delta first before you go.

Fast Eddie 48.

As mentioned in a previous post, Classic and most other major venues were closed on Monday, seemingly due to the start of Ramadan. But they opened again yesterday. I went to classic and had a good time, though it was different from the way it usually is. There were a bit fewer girls, a good bit fewer customers (so all in all not a bad balance), the girls were all in civilian clothes (mostly jeans), there was no music until 8 pm and there was more lighting than usual. I actually enjoyed the change. The girls looked significantly less attractive in their jeans but that just sharpened my selection instinct, and once I got my chosen ones in the room and out of their clothes there were some fantastic bodies.

Today I went to Malioboro and the situation seemed similar there, although the dancers were still going (but not showing that much skin). I never thought Malioboro was a very good venue anyway. You pay 900 000 or 1. 1 mill for the same type of girl you get for 350 000 in Classic. Yeah definitely there is a considerable starfish risk in Classic, but so is there in Malioboro.

After Malioboro I dropped by Travel and the situation there was similar. A bit lower key than usual, but perfectly ok. And again I confirmed my impression that Travel is not a great place for me. Unlike Classic, in Travel it seems basically impossible to work the scene, engage seriously with the girls before selecting them and both the girls and the mamas have a mean businesslike attitude. In Classic (2nd /3rd floor depending on how you count) the mamas are pushy as hell, but once you realize that its just hawking and that you don't have to do what they tell you, you can socialise a lot there before making your choice (or the girl's choice).

What everybody told me is that now the places will continue to be open in the same way for the rest of June, before closing for a few days again in connection with the end of Ramadan in early July, and then after that things will go back to normal.

I have been trying out Badoo. There are a lot of girls there, a lot of whom don't seem to mind someone twice their age. But one thing has left me wondering: very many of them have selected the option under "Sexuality" that they are "open-minded", whereas I have selected "heterosexual". A few have selected bisexual, but most are just "open-minded". I am wondering what this really means, that they are bi-curious or that when they fill in the form in Indonesian the options are different and this means something else? If they all mean that they are something like bi-curious there must be an awful lot of sexual interaction between Indonesian girls, which would open up some interesting options.

I will be brief and vague, so as to avoid details that would unknowingly identify me to colleagues who might also peruse these forums, though I am a true novice in the sense that I have never paid for an orgasm before. At least not directly in cash for the service. This is to say that better Intel proceeds my report in the forum from people with more experience who have paid less and received more.

But I am staying in a major globally branded hotel in the central area of town. I recently popped into the spa for a massage near closing time, not expecting any special treatment, as I have been a long time lurker of these forums but have never acted on any of the tips in the various regions that I travel. I am not particularly adept at reading these situations, and the provider had to be fairly blunt before I was willing to acknowledge her.

In any case, the massage was decent, and I wondered, but had no realistic expectations of being propositioned due to the high profile brand of this hotel chain. Apparently, Jakarta is bursting at the seams with sex workers, and the general tone of this forum not overstated.

The masseuse worked close, but not unusually or suspiciously close to my crotch. Yet, It was enough to arouse me to the point where she asked if we were through or if I wanted to extend the session.

I didn't know how to respond, as there was a bit of a language barrier, but after some coy insinuation, she bluntly asked if there was anything special that I wanted. So I asked what she wanted in return and she offered through miming a hand job, clothed for "5". Now, keep in mind that I wasn't sure what she was saying until her tits were out and my dick was in her hand. So I had to pause and ask what she expected for this and she showed me 7 fingers. I knew I was being ripped off based on what I've read here, but didn't know how to back the price down at this point (beginner's folly). So I thought "fuck it" and reached for what I could grab and let her finish me off. She was nice and sensual about it, kissing and licking my neck and chest, cupping my balls, massaging my taint and encouraged my groping.

So I calculate paying 3 to 5 times what the service was worth. But as a first experience it took the anxiety out of travelling to places like Classic, Malioboro or Alexis to break my cherry. The worst thing is, if I return to the spa I've set a bad precedent, so I'll have to travel to avoid paying the stupid tax. Live and learn.

[QUOTE=ISOtrim;1892056]I will be brief and vague, so as to avoid details that would unknowingly identify me to colleagues who might also peruse these forums, though I am a true novice in the sense that I have never paid for an orgasm before.....[/QUOTE]All of your assessments are correct, including concerning overpayment. The whole point of many in-hotel massages is to get the customer into a situation where they are relaxed and gradually aroused without any pressure and then tempted into wildly overpaying for women that are not that attractive and / or not that good in bed. The key moment in the massage is usually while you are lying on your stomach and she is working on your thighs with large circular movements and for every circle the hand on the inside of your thigh comes further under you and up towards your pelvic area sliding swiftly along the seam between your thigh and your belly, without touching your penis or touching it only very slightly and ambivalently as to whether it is an accident or not. When this is repeated enough times you start thinking what the hell, one has to live, carpe diem. What's special about this business model / sexual interaction is that it allows her to do all the work and give your body lots of attention while she at the same time can be the innocent masseuse just doing her job for the rich foreigner and you still get to be the hunter.

Let me give you one piece of sincere and friendly advice: get your ass over as soon the hell as you can to Classic or, if you have time for a taxi ride (40-80 minutes depending on distance and traffic), even better to Kings Cross. If you do this now, you will just be kicking yourself for not having done it earlier. If you wait and do it later in life, you will kick yourself much harder for not doing it earlier, kick yourself for not doing it while in Jakarta, kick your self for being a dick head and wasting your life.

In Classic go to the second floor (counting with an un-numbered ground floor), don't let the mamasans push you around, take your time, select a girl you like, perhaps one who speaks some English (which is perhaps 10% of them), make sure she is OK going with you and will be warm (ask "good service? Pay the mamasan and go to the room. Don't go for a threesome at this stage, even if it is dirt cheap. In the room you both have a shower. Enjoy watching her squatting and rinsing herself out in the glass shower cubicle, it's like a piece of art. Afterwards tip the girl if she was nice to you.

In Kings Cross, select one of the Indonesian girls, not the foreigners, which are much higher priced and of no particular interest to you. I was at Kings Cross yesterday. I had two gorgeous girls 20 (Queena / Rettna) and 18 years old (Marisha) (one at a time). They may not look so impressive on photos, but with their clothes off they had unbelievable bodies, I couldn't have made them more perfect if I were God. Super petite, super firm, flat-bellied, large breasts that are so big and bouncy and protruding they look like silicone but are not, minuscule waists, swollen pelvic mounds, perfectly shaped round globe asses, very little and very soft pubic hair not because of shaving or some treatment but because that is the way they are, slim legs with a nice gap, cute little feet, pouty kissable lips, tight pussies, really tight. Both were total GFE: French kissing, ticklish because they are young and sensitive and excited, hungry blow jobbing, happy about a lubed finger massaging the outside of their anus during sex, eye-flirting, joking, hugging, asking for phone numbers. They got so wet that they were embarrassed about it. Life doesn't get much better than that. The price was only 420 000 per girl + substantial tipping for the fantastic service. I am not particularly young or good looking. You are not guaranteed or even likely to have experiences like that on your first tries, because it takes time and experience and luck to hit those jackpots. But I am sure you will not regret going done this lane.

If your massage turns out to have been the first step towards moving on to serious mongering, you did not overpay at all.