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[QUOTE=Optional;1996042]Nevermind. Ignore my question. I found it.[/QUOTE]Hi Optional,
Could you send me the Red House Sauna new wechat contact. I've lost it.
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Agree with most of your analysis. Should be more careful. Thanks.
[QUOTE=SamCan;1996062]There is a reason it is called safe (or in your case unsafe) sex. Everyone has their own level of risk they are willing to take. KTV girls, hookers, bar girls or even an honest date with a girl you just met. , there is no set solution on what girl is safer than the other. Does the KTV girl use IV drugs and share needles? Did the KTV girl have a boyfriend that practiced unsafe sex every day at the barbershops?
I know a massage girl that was a good friend of my Chinese girlfriend (at the time). She had been a virgin and had only had sex with her boiyfriend. she only did HJs (at the time) at the MPs... She got the clap from her boyfriend who was a DJ at a KTV in Shanghai and had access to many ktv girls. so much for your theory...if you can get the clap, you can get HIV.
When we talk about sex without a condom, it is similar to playing russan roullette (as said by another poster) The rates of HIV have been rising in China. That is a "scientific fact" you can look up. I personally have never been able to understand someone thinking that sex without a condom was worth losing your life over. Or infecting your partner at home if you have one. I also don't look down on anyone that chooses to make these choices. They are theirs to make.
There is also a place on the forum for safe sex questions. You may find more facts there.[/QUOTE]
In Germany, there are AO clubs (condom optional) which I have never visited for two reasons (1) unsafe for the reason you and others stated, (2) I was told girls in AO clubs usually not young, and not good looking. AO is available in normal FKK clubs with a price, relative safe because girls tested regularly.
"Xiao Shan" and "Ernai" are the same in China, usually safe for condom free sex if she tested negative, and stay with you only. In fact, from them I have became addicted to BB sex, because feelings are so different. AO sex feels much better.
Read your posting history, you are a senior monger sleeping with many sex workers in China. We are here to exchange information and experience, not argue about right or wrong morally. I can say when you surreptitiously sleeping with Chinese sex workers is also despicable. We are all immoral.
Bottom line, be safe, be cautious, be careful and be happy. Be nice to the girls and try to develop more intimate relationship and enjoy real happy experience of sex with young beauties. Of course, use condom as you advised when one is not sure. Thanks anyway for some facts and advises.
[QUOTE=Ikksman;1995944]Well, yes. Apparently he is for real. Reading his posting history, They are mainly about the BB FKK scene in Germany (of which I have no knowledge). Almost all of his posts concern BB sex and he appears to have a high degree of paranoia about BB sex, but desires to continue the practice.
But I think that any guy who goes bareback (in Southern China where I have resided for 12 1/2 (included 4 years in HK) is a fool. And I think that any guy who deceives a girl by surreptitiously slipping the condom off during sex is despicable.
I imagine that there is also a big difference between the more sophisticated and sexually knowledgeable German scene than girls working in Chinese KTV and sauna, who in most cities are relatively uneducated and have little knowledge about sexual diseases and risk of transmission. Many of their practices are little more than superstition. For example the use of a certain brand of toothpaste to prevent STD infections..[/QUOTE]
Anyone tried this place? Any wechat contact? I heard it's not bad.
[QUOTE=Arizona123;1995920]1. Manhattan, Judy's, Zapatas, Muse 1 and 2.
2. Stay in Puxi, Jingan district. Search Agoda for price.
3. Working girls don't hang out just for fun. There are some (very few English speaking ones) where you can pay for their time and take them out to clubs.[/QUOTE]Hi,
I have tried Manhatten & Judy's. Both are great for the purpose requested. The best hotel for take in is Paramount Hotel. Typically on Agoda it is less than $100, is in walking distance to the clubs mentioned (<20 RMB cab ride back), and you do not do the 'walk of shame' - elevator ride with no front desk interference. Also agree that I have not found any for free that just like to hang out.
Will.
[QUOTE=AllForBb;1996299]"Xiao Shan" and "Ernai" are the same in China, usually safe for condom free sex if she tested negative, and stay with you only. In fact, from them I have became addicted to BB sex, because feelings are so different. AO sex feels much better.[/QUOTE]In Southern China "xiaosan" and "ernai" (and sannai and sinai), are commonly used terms, and carry different meanings (and probably differing levels of safety). There are probably other regional variations in meaning as well, and there are many different terms for different types of mistresses.
[QUOTE]Read your posting history, you are a senior monger sleeping with many sex workers in China. We are here to exchange information and experience, not argue about right or wrong morally. [/QUOTE]Actually, I am a freebie fan rather than a WG chaser. The majority of my WG experiences have been at KTVs and BBSs, such as in Changping (yesterday was the anniversary of the great yanda. Very sad), and when taken to KTVs by Chinese companies. I have written many a post here about my history of chasing freebies and passing on cultural tips that assist with this hobby.
[QUOTE] I can say when you surreptitiously sleeping with Chinese sex workers is also despicable. We are all immoral.[/QUOTE]I don't think that I surreptitiously sleep with WGs. And certainly not in the same sense of deliberately exposing yourself or your partner to STDs by going BB without her knowledge.
Respect the girls and enjoy your mongering!
Ikksman.
Hay, freebies are prostitutes too!
Again, we are not here to argue right or wrong morally. Political correctness do not apply here, they did not win in US too.
Agree we should be nice to girls. Because of them, our life are more colorful. We all like, sometime love these girls (if they become gracious Xiao San or Xiao Si or Xiao Wu.). I like them from head to toes, from top to bottom. They are delicious.
"Deliberately exposing yourself or your partner to STDs by going BB without her knowledge" is not good indeed. But I and my Xiao San, Xiao Si, Xiao Wu...all tested negative. I did not force a bb, they are more than happy to go bb, after knowing me personally. Some of them may insist a condom use at beginning. That's even better, demonstrated that they are knowledgeable and had protections with others.
Anyway, let's stop argue. Make no sense. Our hobby are the same, morally the same. There is a Chinese saying "50 steps laugh at 100 steps" make no sense. Bottom line, be safe, be happy, be nice to our young beauties. You enjoy your freebies and I, my Xiao Sans.
[QUOTE=Ikksman;1996756]In Southern China "xiaosan" and "ernai" (and sannai and sinai), are commonly used terms, and carry different meanings (and probably differing levels of safety). There are probably other regional variations in meaning as well, and there are many different terms for different types of mistresses.
Actually, I am a freebie fan rather than a WG chaser. The majority of my WG experiences have been at KTVs and BBSs, such as in Changping (yesterday was the anniversary of the great yanda. Very sad), and when taken to KTVs by Chinese companies. I have written many a post here about my history of chasing freebies and passing on cultural tips that assist with this hobby.
I don't think that I surreptitiously sleep with WGs. And certainly not in the same sense of deliberately exposing yourself or your partner to STDs by going BB without her knowledge.
Respect the girls and enjoy your mongering!
Ikksman.[/QUOTE]
Went to Sacrosa earlier this afternoon. It was closed for major renovation. The guy there did not know when it will be re-opened, I do not know whether it will be under new owner, and whether the format will be the same, but I doubt if the price will stay as low as before.
Because Sacrosa likely will have higher prices when it reopened, there is not one sauna I go to that had not raised its price in the last six momths.
Have been visiting a kind of hit-and-miss massage place corner of Yanggao Middle Road and Yunshan Road over the past couple years. Believe the name is Fu De Li or something, it's the only MP on the corner. It was recently renovated and was looking good until a couple weeks ago. The faux crystal glass panes in the massage room doors have been replaced with 100% clear glass, and the hangar clip above the glass inside has been removed. I'm assuming popo paid them a visit recently. On to the next I guess.
These are my experiences.
I visited both Manhattan and Judy's. Wow! Where have all the hotties gone? Neither place had any kind of all star line up and I went back to the hotel each night (Fri / Sat) alone. I am a picky bastard but cmon.
Shanghai Nightlife Guide. Independents.
Anything I say here is my own opinion and not meant to be mean-spirited.
Purple. Seriously? This girl is not the best looking. Skills. Better than her looks but still. She was on a 999 special but honestly I would not have paid 333 for her.
Mishu. She is definitely young and tall. I personally think she is way over-rated. She is definitely a sweet girl but not all is cracked up.
Beverly Jones. She knows her way around a cock and she is a total sweet lady. Just not slutty enough for me.
Other escort services.
Rain in Shanghai. Fan - Fan is a great performer, looks way better than pics. A great deal!
Helen and friends- I texted for pics but they said it was 1200 rmb for massage. SERIOUSLY? Then I asked to send pic and she said no. So for 1200 I might get a he massage by a FUGLY girl. Ummm. No thanks Helen. Go find another sucka.
Bars.
Barbarossa. Ummm. No. Sorry. Not Happening. At least not this past week.
[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;2000267]These are my experiences.
I visited both Manhattan and Judy's. Wow! Where have all the hotties gone? Neither place had any kind of all star line up and I went back to the hotel each night (Fri / Sat) alone. I am a picky bastard but cmon.
Shanghai Nightlife Guide. Independents.
Purple. Seriously? This girl is not the best looking. Skills. Better than her looks but still. She was on a 999 special but honestly I would not have paid 333 for her.
Beverly Jones. She knows her way around a cock and she is a total sweet lady. Just not slutty enough for me.
Other escort services.
Rain in Shanghai. Fan - Fan is a great performer, looks way better than pics. A great deal!
Bars.
Barbarossa. Ummm. No. Sorry. Not Happening. At least not this past week.[/QUOTE]Thanks Hobbiest. I am on my way over middle of March. I look forward to seeing the new judy's. A friend was at Judy's and said he felt it was down a level than when he and I had went together. I'll need to check that one out for myself. I can be picky but haven't been to Shanghai in a year, Not feeling picky at the moment!
I always wanted to try purple but if I wanted chubby girls I can find them in the USA I have heard good things about Carol and Amy on SNG (from other members) and hope they are available when I hit the ground.
I' check out Fan on the site and see if she's my type. Seems lke you are spending a lot of time in Shanghai lately.
What hotel are you staying at? I usually do the hilton but may need to change for various reasons.
SAM.
[QUOTE=SamCan;2000437]Thanks Hobbiest. I am on my way over middle of March. I look forward to seeing the new judy's. A friend was at Judy's and said he felt it was down a level than when he and I had went together. I'll need to check that one out for myself. I can be picky but haven't been to Shanghai in a year, Not feeling picky at the moment!
I always wanted to try purple but if I wanted chubby girls I can find them in the USA I have heard good things about Carol and Amy on SNG (from other members) and hope they are available when I hit the ground.
I' check out Fan on the site and see if she's my type. Seems lke you are spending a lot of time in Shanghai lately.
What hotel are you staying at? I usually do the hilton but may need to change for various reasons.
SAM.[/QUOTE]I stayed at that Hilton on Huashan 2 months ago and didn't think it was very nice. Especially for the price. All the stuff seems very dated and the carpet was so old that I didn't take my socks off. The best hotel I have stayed at in the JingAn district was the Shangri La. The next best hotel is the Radisson Blu at 88 Nanjing Road. My go-to is the Radisson Blu and when I want to spoil myself the Shangri La is the place. The bar at the steakhouse in Shangri La is top-notch. Ask for Phillip. He makes a killer black Manhattan. Enjoy. I will be in Seoul in March and then back to SH in April / May. If you need anything else feel free to PM me.
Any of you tried Mishu or Nancy from SNG? They looked great on picture, but prefer to avoid bad surprise, especially as they don't speak English.
For hotels, Ritz-Carlton Portman is expensive but perfectly located. 2 minutes walk from Judy & Manhattan.
As for many comments in the thread, I usually prefer Judy which is more easy going vs. The aggressive girls in Manhattan; but Judy is a hit or miss as the amount of good looking girls is probably below Manhattan. Also, while their new location makes it easier to go from one to the other; the layout is really not good: you have 4 or 5 tables in the middle which are always occupied very early; and most stunners stay in that area; but it makes it impossible to go in that area; so you cannot really have a walk to look at each girl from up close the way you could in the former location.
[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;2000606]I stayed at that Hilton on Huashan 2 months ago and didn't think it was very nice. Especially for the price. All the stuff seems very dated and the carpet was so old that I didn't take my socks off. The best hotel I have stayed at in the JingAn district was the Shangri La. The next best hotel is the Radisson Blu at 88 Nanjing Road. My go-to is the Radisson Blu and when I want to spoil myself the Shangri La is the place. The bar at the steakhouse in Shangri La is top-notch. Ask for Phillip. He makes a killer black Manhattan. Enjoy. I will be in Seoul in March and then back to SH in April / May. If you need anything else feel free to PM me.[/QUOTE]
Quick report on 2 nts in SH Feb 17 and 18. Manhattan off the charts both nights. Excellent line up. I took 2 absolute stunners with performance to match. First 1500ST which was actually 1. 5 hrs and second was 2000 o / and. Both fabulous young bodies and wonderful performers.
Browsed Judys a number of times both nights. Quality diff bw both locations just amazing with Manhattan WAY superior both nights. Next to no Africans in Judys at all.
One t5 hing that is totally getting out of control in SH is the number of taxis refusing to put meters on. We all know the parasites outside Manhattan and Judys who prey on extorting foreigners so before you could walk away and grab a cab. Now even trying to get to Nanyang Lu fro downtown or returning to your hotel with your conquest tucked under your arm so many taxis just saying 80 or 100 or even 200. These jerks seriously need to be brought to account.
Hi,
I cannot get the link below to work. [URL]http://www.shhhy.xyz/forum-124-1.html[/URL].
My Chinese is good enough to visit local places, hence all I need is to find them on one of hose websites. I'm of course happy to help out others as well.
Does anyone have an updated Chinese website with a listing / forum of sauna's in Shanghai or Suzhou?
[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;1926256]Just because SNG has most of its top listed Saunas as closed doesn't mean that it reflects the state of Shanghai.
Aside from Jingan, most districts are alive and well. Especialy Minhang which is historicaly the most active sauna district and had issues begining of the year but came back with even more spots since then.
Just on this chinese site [URL]http://www.shhhy.xyz/forum-124-1.html[/URL] I count 31 saunas advertising and that's not counting those which advertise on other sites or those not advertising these days.
Thats not counting either the 100's of MPs around the city offering all kinds of services.
Shanghai has a lot more to offer than you seem to believe.[/QUOTE]