Praia de Futuro Daytime Beach Action
[QUOTE=InBrazilSoon]So I came back from Rio after 3 days in the cold.
Got back to Fortaleza on a Thursday.
During the day I would go to Boa Vida or Croco Beach and eat oysters and lobster (or what they call lobster) and drink OJ and go for a swim.
I will go back in November to see what is a like in a month that is a little slower. Or at least certainly slower than August or New Years.[/QUOTE]
To InBrasilSoon:
I was just wondering:
(1) When you went to beaches in the daytime like Croco at Praia de Futuro, were there Programa girls at the beaches? I used to see a lot of Programa girls at the Praia de Futuro beaches daytime, but they were not there my last trip in November 2008. (One of the vendors at the beach told me there was a crackdown going on at the time.)
(2) I will be in Fortaleza sometime in November this year. You can PM me if you want to go out for a drink one night.
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Fortaleza Day 2 - Tuesday
had business all day, then had dinner around 8:30pm and off to zipi bar again at 9:30. again, dead until about 10: 30. it picked up, but not as busy as monday for some reason. there was a really beautiful girl at the bar when bijou and i got there at 9:30, but it felt too early to pounce. another patron sat with her and bought her drinks for about an hour.
as other girls came and went, i realized the girl at the bar was the best of the lot, and caught her eye a few times, trying to give her the hint to either take the dude home or ditch him. minutes later, around 11:15pm, she did ditch him, but made straight for the door before i could catch her. drank beers for another 20 minutes or so, then bijou and i headed for the forro mambo/europa/cafe del mar. we were immediately surrounded by 5 girls shilling for one club or the other. peeked into europa, but it was dead, so walked into cafe del mar. sitting by herself at the downstairs bar was the girl who left zipi. i proceeded straight to her, bought her a beer, flirted and chatted for 30 minutes or so, then brought her home. name: naomi.
she quoted r150 short time. i said r100, but wanted her badly so settled at r120. she was definitely worth it. looks a bit like adriana lima in the face. nice body, sweet, great kisser, responsive, great sex. pics below. eyes obscured per her request.
FOR Trip Report: August 30-Sept 6
This trip report is from my visit to Fortaleza from August 30-Sept 6. I hung out with JD Garbanzo who has posted some pics of the type of girls available. Thanks to all the posters who provided valuable information in planning, but a special thanks to “InBrazilSoon” for providing the most current info on Fortaleza
[B]Prelude[/B]
Since my last trip report to SDQ last year, I have been back a few times to previous places (PTY, CTG) and went to some places where there is already enough good information (Sosua, and SJO), so I hadn’t written any new reports. I wanted to take my first trip to Brazil, but with the “changes” going on in Rio, I decided to first go somewhere else. A Brazilian friend of mine recommended Fortaleza, and off I went, although about a month later than I originally planned.
[B]Travel Logistics[/B]
Brazil does require Visas for US residents. The length of visa can range from 90 days to 10 years. I’m not sure if this is just the luck of the draw or based on criteria that are used from the visa application. Also, it may be more likely to get a 10 year visa if you actually schedule an in person visa appointment at the closest the Brazilian Consulate with your airline ticket in hand.
I flew Delta red-eye directly into Fortaleza, which was very convenient. However, apparently that was the last Delta flight as Delta has now cancelled service to Fortaleza. I’m not sure of any other US airlines that services Fortaleza and other airlines will require connection(s). Arrival into Fortaleza is uneventful and immigration and customs is a breeze. The airport itself is relatively small and relatively easily to navigate.
Taxi from the airport to my apartment ran 30 BR, which is in line with what I read on the forum. It cost me 25 BR to get back to the airport. I guess I could have negotiated 5 BR less both times, but I chose not to as long as I’m not getting ripped off. In Fortaleza, using taxis varies between meter and flat rates. From my apartment to Praia Futuro ran about 20 BR using the meter. At night from the “spots”, it ranged from 5 BR to 7 BR, even though a few drivers tried to get 10 BR out of me. So, it’s good to have an idea of what it should cost before getting into the taxi or just request using the meter. Obviously, this is easier for locals and for people who speak the language well.
[B]Lodging[/B]
I stayed at the Port do Iracema apartments ([url]www.flatsfortaleza.com[/url]) booked through Michael. It ran me 120 BR/night. There is an additional charge for electric use, especially air conditioning. However, with the windows open I rarely had to use AC. It has a safe, hot water, and wireless internet access. It is nice apartment and I would strongly recommend Michael. As others have mentioned, there are working girls that actually live in this complex, which can be a positive (or a negative if they have the apartment right next to you). Also, other mongers stay there so sometimes you can see girls leaving that may catch your interest for future. The apartment complex has a pool and a gym.
[B]Currency Exchange[/B]
1 USD was about 1.75 BR. As with all my trips, I use a CapitalOne ATM card to get cash out without incurring large international withdrawal fees and the card seemed to work pretty well at any ATM that had “Plus” logo.
[B]General Info of Fortaleza[/B]
Fortaleza has 4 main “city beach” area and then downtown. The beach areas are Praia do Iracema, Praia do Meireles, Praia do Murcuripe, and Praia do Futuro. The apartment and the main mongering areas are in Iracema. To walk to Meireles is about a 20 minute walk and you can walk all the way to the end of Mucuripe in about 45-60 minutes. To get to Futuro, you need a taxi (20 BR one way) or a bus ($1.80 BR one way). The Meireles area has a South Beach feel about it (without the beautiful people or clubs). There is a “boardwalk” that connects all 3 areas. Futuro has the many “barracas”, much stronger waves, and has more of a small resort feel. Outside of the beach area, didn’t seem like Futuro had much else. I’m not sure of how clean the beaches are in the first 3 beach areas. A local said that the beaches weren’t very clean and that he would only recommend Futuro. This is also stated on this website: [url]http://www.fortalezabeaches.com/fortaleza-city.html[/url]. I didn’t see very many people in the water in Iracema, but more in the Meireles area. However, it wasn’t as if the beaches were debris filled anywhere, so I’m still not sure why more people were not in the Iracema beach area.
The climate in Fortaleza was very comfortable, even being close to the equator. Although it was hot during the day, there was very little humidity and you can easily cool down in the shade. At night, you can walk around without drenching in sweat. And, I barely had to use the AC in my apartment my entire stay, which I understand was “summer” in Fortaleza.
Safety wasn’t a problem either. I felt safe the entire time I was in Fortaleza. There is an area from the venues listed below to the apartment that can be dicey late night, otherwise no safety concerns.
Although normally I try to take in shopping malls or other local hangouts, I didn’t do that on this trip, although I understand that “Drago Do Mar” is a good spot to see/meet regular girls.
[B]My Rating Scale[/B]
I am attracted to the “girl next door” look with a nice ass, flat stomach, minimal makeup and all natural (no silicone). So, my rating scale is based on this.
10’s: there are no “10s” on my rating scale (when I’m sober). 9’s: These are the “hot” chicks like you see on Victoria Secret’s, Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue, and music videos. You easily notice them out from across the room. 8’s: These are the “pretty” girls (minimal makeup) with nice bodies (all natural) including nice ass and breasts. You notice them when they walk by. 7’s: These are “attractive” girls (maybe a little bit more makeup) with a nice ass, but maybe lacking in breasts. I am an ass man, so a girl could be attractive, have a great ass, but very small breasts and still be a “7” on my scale. I am very generous with my “7” rating. These are the girls that are attractive when you start talking to them. You notice they may either have nice eyes, a nice smile, full lips, pretty hair etc. 6’s: These are the “not ugly” girls with a nice ass with or without nice breasts. I’m not usually attracted to these girls, but they are doable (right time of the night, right price, right amount of alcohol, etc.) and I would have nothing to be ashamed about if anybody found out. 5’s or lower: I would never do sober, I would hope that no one ever found out and most likely I would just want a BJ.
[B]Chica venues[/B]
[U]Zippys[/U]
Come out of the apartment complex and go left about 2-3 blocks. There is a gas station on the right and Zippy’s is right next to/behind the gas station. It’s a bar/club. Zippys gets going between 11 and 11:30. Freelancers work here. Some (but not all) start off here before heading to the other spots. Plays electronic/techo music with a small dance floor where some girls will strut their stuff by dancing facing the mirror. The number and quality of girls seemed to vary each night, so I would recommend checking it out a couple of nights before deciding on whether it’s good or bad. Monday and Friday nights seemed to be the best while I was there. Also, while I was there, there was no entry fee for me, but it could be that my wingman and I were certainly spending enough money on alcohol and that was why we weren’t charged an entry. Girls usually want 150 BR, although some started out at 200 and wouldn’t budge and others would settle for 120. Some will be looking to do a few clients that night and others are only looking for 1 score. You have to feel each girl out. I liked Zippys.
[U]Forro Mambo, Café Del Mar, Club Europa[/U]
Come out of Zippys and go left along the right side of the street. About 2 blocks, you will see a road (It will say “Tourist Police” on the wall before the road) and turn right. This is the main strip. There are a few bars to hang out and watch people until you are ready to go to one of the discos. Club Europa was open, but really nothing going on. Forro Mambo and Café Del Mar (across from each other) both have a system where they give you a card when you enter and any drinks that you order get put on this card, which then has to be paid before you exit. Sometimes there is a fee for entering and sometimes it was free. Just need to look at the card to see if on that particular night there is an entrance fee. I can’t really provide any consistency inter terms of pricing of drinks and I can’t help but think that the bill gets padded. The girls can enter free, but some from Café Del Mar won’t go into (or are banned) from Forro Mambo. Girls again want 150BR, but may settle for less later on in the night.
[U]Armamez[/U]
Open only on Wednesday night. It’s a huge warehouse type of setting about a 5 Real drive from Zippy’s. I saw the best looking women in Fortaleza at this place, but it’s hard to tell which girls are working and which were “regular” girls. Saw many of the same faces as the above venues here as well as new faces. By the end of the night (or early morning), it’s possible that all the girls are available. Because a lot of the girls go to this place on Wednesday night, the other spots may be dead on this night.
[U]Croco Beach[/U]
Apparently, on Thursday night at Croco Beach in Futuro (at a barraca called Croco beach), there are girls available centering on festivities related to crabs (the edible kind) that are brought in from the Amazon. My wingman and I went earlier in the day, but didn’t stay late enough to experience the night scene or festivities. I can’t provide much more information than this.
[U]Bellisima[/U]
I went on a Saturday afternoon, but apparently it is better during the week for the after work locals. It’s a bar with girls hanging around and rooms on site (I didn’t check out the rooms). No entry fee, 5 Real beers, and I think 120 BR for a girl for 1 hour. It’s about 15 BR from the apartment to get to Bellisima.
[U]Club Do Whisky[/U]
I tried to go one time on a Saturday afternoon, but it was closed. Apparently it opens around 7pm and is a 15 Real taxi ride from Bellisima or the apartment. Apparently, this has the hottest (and most expensive girls) according to a local. I never got to check it out so maybe someone else can provide additional info.
[B]Daytime/Evening Options[/B]
In Miereles, there is a barraca called “SateHut” on Beira Mar across from the McDonalds. During the daytime, you will see a few of the same girls that you see in the venues and a few other faces not seen at night. In the evening times, the entire strip has a lot of people and there are girls in pairs or groups walking around, although it is difficult to know which ones are available. Boa Vida barraca in Futuro had girls, but they seemed to already be paired up with guys. Other than that, your best bets would be to line something up for daytime from the night before, or to go to Bellisima or Club do Whisky.
[B]General Observations[/B]
In general, I didn’t see very many drop dead gorgeous women in Fortaleza. In fact, many had a “hard look” about them rather than the “soft look” I was used to in other countries I visited and which I prefer. Many had acne or acne scars, and wore an extensive about of makeup which made them look good in the bar and clubs, but not so much in daylight without makeup. Also, many had love handles and belly fat, even though they themselves wouldn’t be considered “fat”. And for a country known for beautiful “bundas”, I can’t say that I saw a lot of them in Fortaleza. Another general observation was that there were quite a bit of more “spinners” than I’ve seen in other destinations.
With that said, there were many girls that met my criteria for being a “6”, some that met my criteria for being a “7” (although it took more effort to find them), and a couple I saw that could be an “8”.
The girls are not as aggressive in making their availability known. If you make eye contact, the majority will turn and look away without even smiling. This was different from the other places where I visited where the girls would make eye contact and smile and then keep looking back every so often. It took me a few days to figure out that even those that don’t make eye contact are, in fact, available. Interestingly, I seemed to notice more eye contact and smiles after I hung out with one girl all night and then took her, which I’m sure that made all the other girls take notice that I was there to play and not just watch. So, for some of these “hard to get” P2P girls, your approach needs to be more casual than to just ask “how much?” and they may need to see you with another girl first to get their interest.
Another observation is that the girls like to make out in public. At my age now, I’m not much into public making out, but it seems that the girls are once you seal the deal with them. It makes me wonder, if this is really their way of showing the other girls that you have sealed the deal with them and for other girls not to encroach? I’m not sure…
[B]Summary[/B]
I’m glad that I had a chance to go visit Fortaleza, especially while access was easier. It is a great vacation destination with a rather lively mongering scene. However, I’m not sure that based on the quality of girls that I saw there, and with the prices not being significantly more favorable, I would recommend anyone to go just for mongering. Girls just as good or better for about the same prices can me more easily accessible in other destinations. On the other hand, if you are like me and like to combine a vacation with mongering, then you can know that in Fortaleza you can have both. I would consider Fortaleza again if there ever is another direct flight, or as a side trip from another Brazilian destination.
Fortaleza II - August 30 to September 6
[QUOTE=Bijou][B]General Observations[/B]
In general, I didn’t see very many drop dead gorgeous women in Fortaleza. In fact, many had a “hard look” about them rather than the “soft look” I was used to in other countries I visited and which I prefer. Many had acne or acne scars, and wore an extensive about of makeup which made them look good in the bar and clubs, but not so much in daylight without makeup. Also, many had love handles and belly fat, even though they themselves wouldn’t be considered “fat”. And for a country known for beautiful “bundas”, I can’t say that I saw a lot of them in Fortaleza. Another general observation was that there were quite a bit of more “spinners” than I’ve seen in other destinations.
With that said, there were many girls that met my criteria for being a “6”, some that met my criteria for being a “7” (although it took more effort to find them), and a couple I saw that could be an “8”.
Another observation is that the girls like to make out in public. At my age now, I’m not much into public making out, but it seems that the girls are once you seal the deal with them. It makes me wonder, if this is really their way of showing the other girls that you have sealed the deal with them and for other girls not to encroach? I’m not sure…[/QUOTE]Bijou, I had a great time hanging out with you and meeting the Garotas at Zipi, Cafe del Mar, Armazem, Beira Mar, and - Especially - Forro Mambo! I still wish one of us would've approached that girl we kept seeing at Beira Mar during the day and with the short dress that kept popping up over her hips when she dipped low in front of the mirror at Zipi. She looked like a winner, but by then I was ensconced with Naomi (pics in a previous thread - speaking of Naomi, see #5 below).
I agree with most of your comments here. I'll add a few things:
1) The guy who rented me my apartments (Flat Classic, then Alta Vista Apartments) I think said it best as he took me to the airport. I was telling him it is difficult to explain the connection with the Brazilian girls with whom I hooked up - that when I would tell some friends about it, it wasn't enough to call it sleeping with a hooker because in Brazil, there's more to it. He said, exactly right I think, "You can buy sex anywhere in the world. The difference here is that the girls love sex, too, and they are able to be truly intimate with a man, even if it's only a short time thing." I definitely felt this here. I had some of the most intense/connected sex I've had with some of the girls in Fortaleza. This was no wham bam thank you m'aam sex for me.
2) Toda la Noche. I think it was easy to find if you went for a girl who wasn't super popular. The best ones all want to get at least a couple of customers in, and they know they can. A couple of these "top girls" said they would do TLN, but it would be double what they were quoting. Purely economical considerations, I think. Less popular girls are looking to score with just one customer and are more willing to do TLN. Celia was like this for me, she quoted R130, offered TLN. I chose not to keep her there, but she didn't go back to the clubs after we finished. Instead, she had a full wardrobe change in her purse and looked like a young girl out for a night at the movies by the time she left and went back home to her mom's house.
3) There are many poor, uneducated girls who need to make money, often to support a child. Many of these girls live with their mothers. Most of them do not have fathers in their lives. In Fortaleza (and Brazil in general) there seem to be many many young girls with young children. Of the 7 or so girls I was with, 4 of them had children (and they were 19, 21, 24, and 20 years old). I spoke with Daiana (19yo, with a 4 yo girl) about this for awhile during one of our encounters, and she said that education in general in Brazil is bad and sex education is almost non-existent, so girls start having sex as young as 12 and horny boys often impregnate them. Daiana is a pretty sharp girl, but she's got a long hard life ahead of her, I fear.
4) While there indeed are a preponderance of 5's and 6's, the scene at night (again, especially Forro Mambo) was filled with girls. I'd say that most nights there were easily 300 there, with only 100s of guys. So, while probably 2/3 or maybe even more of them were 6 or below, there were still easily 50-100 girls to really get excited about on a given night. Not bad hunting. Not bad at all. In the end, I stayed in Fortaleza rather than traveling to Natal because I was having such a good time each night. I definitely paid for all the drinking, smoking, and lack of sleep. When I got home, I had a full blown cold.
5) One personal experience/note: This may or may not be usual, but I developed, and had reciprocated, a very strong connection with one girl on this trip. I paid to take Naomi home twice (2nd day and 4th day there). After the second time, she told me she had to go back to work the clubs (she needed the money), but asked if she could return to me towards the morning and she made it clear that it was her personal choice to do so, and she didn't expect money. She did return that night - she was exhausted and we did no more than sleep/cuddle until 10am or so - and she again arranged to see me early in the morning on my last day in town. That time, we made love for a long time, had breakfast, went to a tattoo shop (she wants to get the same tattoo I have on my shoulder on her own shoulder) and just hung out together for a few hours before she had to go to her day job and I had to head out to the airport. As a married man, I didn't seek this kind of connection, but it found me anyway. Brazil can be a dangerous place, in more ways than I even thought possible!
