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[QUOTE=It Travel]300 € in flight
100 € in visa and insurance
70 € in local travel to/from airport
100 € day for the hotel
120 € day for decent meal, drinks and bar
50-200 € day for disco and night club (if you are in to that)
10-150 € for extras: coffe, drinks, telephone, PC use, Internet, Cialis and condoms too... if you need...


I think (if Doc agrees) invite the normal girl in an appropriate restaurant, get thre in an "casaual/elegant" way, get her a small present, like a perfume, flowers, or foreign chocolates. If you are not an ugly, fat, and sweaty 50 y.o. cheap guy in the 90% of cases she will be naked and screaming in your bed in less than six hours (a bottle of italian wine, more elegant than vodka might help!)... this is for normal girls...
[/QUOTE]First of all, prices in Moscow for hotels are going up again slightly. Maybe they will go down again in the slow summer months, but spring and fall will mean at least 150 €/night.

All other costs are relative, but I usually spend about 50 €/day on side expenses like taxi, shopping in supermarket etc. If entertaining, a night in a restaurant will cost between 80-100 € (I am careful not to overdue the drinks, they get expensive fast) and a night in a nightclub between 100-150 € (I drink like a fish).

I can't quite agree on the 90% success rate on a first date score with a young girl, it is more like 30% on first night. Second night is about 80% and third date is 100%... either I score or I dump her. The 30% success rate is one reason I think restaurants are a poor choice for a first date. You shouldnt spend so much money on a girl you dont even know if you'll have any chemistry with. Restaurants are a much better 2nd or 3rd date, the "deal closer". Cafes or walks in the park are good first dates. Strangely enough, I've almsot always scored when going to the cinema with a girl. The oldest date in the book and the old tricks still work. If the girl is learning English, take her to a cinema that shows films in English. (Same goes for French etc.)

You can still score a first date girl on a restaurant date though, my last one was a first date restaurant score. I used one of my favorite tactics. After the restaurant when it seemed she was mentally preparing herself to go home, I proposed to go somewhere else for a drink and a chat. For whatever reason that seems to change their mindset somewhat. It's almost like timewarping into the second date, and girls usually put out on the second date.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]First of all, prices in Moscow for hotels are going up again slightly. Maybe they will go down again in the slow summer months, but spring and fall will mean at least 150 €/night.

All other costs are relative, but I usually spend about 50 €/day on side expenses like taxi, shopping in supermarket etc. If entertaining, a night in a restaurant will cost between 80-100 € (I am careful not to overdue the drinks, they get expensive fast) and a night in a nightclub between 100-150 € (I drink like a fish).

I can't quite agree on the 90% success rate on a first date score with a young girl, it is more like 30% on first night. Second night is about 80% and third date is 100%... either I score or I dump her. The 30% success rate is one reason I think restaurants are a poor choice for a first date. You shouldnt spend so much money on a girl you dont even know if you'll have any chemistry with. Restaurants are a much better 2nd or 3rd date, the "deal closer". Cafes or walks in the park are good first dates. Strangely enough, I've almsot always scored when going to the cinema with a girl. The oldest date in the book and the old tricks still work. If the girl is learning English, take her to a cinema that shows films in English. (Same goes for French etc.)

You can still score a first date girl on a restaurant date though, my last one was a first date restaurant score. I used one of my favorite tactics. After the restaurant when it seemed she was mentally preparing herself to go home, I proposed to go somewhere else for a drink and a chat. For whatever reason that seems to change their mindset somewhat. It's almost like timewarping into the second date, and girls usually put out on the second date.[/QUOTE]


I totally forgot to mention that usually I meet girls first in day time, for a drink, a beer, an ice cream, or such, so if they come to restaurant with you at once or in the second date it's usually a yesssss...


IT

On a side note ....

With the multiplication of cheap flights to Europe (200€ a round-trip ticket from Moscow), it is becoming more and more cheaper to invite a "freebie" FSU girl for a few days to your hometown, supposing you live in a world-class city that she dreams to visit, such as Paris, London, Rome, ect. More and more, in the case of Russians, I find that there is no real reason to go to Moscow and financially commit suicide to meet an internet contact you mesh well with. Of course, for Russian girls, problem is EU visa ...they must prove adequate income and a need to return to Russia, as we all know, so it's only possible with defined social classes. The prime target is the cosmopolitan young professionals (that are plentiful on dating sites), the 19-22 years old student type broken dyevs from provinces unfortunally having very limited chances of getting a visa.

It's an approach I use since long. I've done it with romanian chicks (it's much easier for them as they have freedom of movement in EU),for some Russian girls from Piter or Moscow, and for my Georgian GF (EU has recently offered Georgia a visa facilitation agreement for its citizens).For Uzbek or Moldovan dyevs, it's unfortunatly almost impossible. Uzbeks even need a visa FOR LEAVING their country, go figure!

Anyway my last and more recent experience, with a Moscow girl I met through LuckyLovers (a 27 yo teacher at Law Faculty in MGU) was, as usual, really really enjoyable (she was already in possession of a EU visa and found very normal to pay for her travel expenses). She was even more beautiful in flesh than on her pics. And she was also smooth, cultured, witty, emotional, passionate, modest, enthusiastic, and furthermore, a real freak in bed. And she had absolutely no materialistic expectations as she didn't drink and barely eat.

So really, asking an internet contact you mesh well with to visit you for a week is a real good idea (of course, you have to provide a decent and centrally located accommodation and not live in a outskirts dump). And if you play your cards well, expenses are really affordable : personally I have a well-stocked wine cellar for "cuddling" evenings at home, a full list of trendy but nice restaurants and bars not that expensive, and to party, I inevitably take them at a popular and happening - and cheap - brasilian place where I'm well-known and that they inevitably all love. No Buddha Bar and alike posh VIP shit ... no need ... only nice, simple and friendly places. They are totally happy with that.

And if you actually take care of her well-being and fulfill her touristic expectations (looong walks, visits of picturesque areas and interesting places,ect), and at the same time really satisfy her emotionally and above all sexually (something we can, a priori, do), then she is grateful forever, literally.

My Moscow girl still sends me (two monthes after) several sms each day saying how much she miss the moments we spent together. Priceless.

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Can you get a Russian visa when travelling from a third country?

A colleague is on an extended business trip and wants to add a side-trip to Moscow on the end. I don't know if he will be able to get a visa issued in say, Berlin, when he is travelling on a Canadian passport? I always had the impression that you had to apply for your visa from you home coutnry.

Any advice/experience to the contrary?[/QUOTE]

Yep… it seems really funny… I think you are making some kinds of confusion.

You never get Visas from the Embassies of the Russian Federation. You get visas from the Consulate of the Russian Federation. Might be in the same building but usually is even in another city!

Even single states like France or Italy are divided in areas of competence of Russian Consulates. By the way they are closed both on local both on Russian holidays.

Once a time in a land called CCCP (Soviet Union) if you got a visa to Moscow you would be allowed to travel around 70/80 km from Moscow, lets’ say to Zagorsk (Segiev Posad now). But you would have never been able to buy a train ticket to Leningrad.

As other big countries (i.e. Brazil) Russia in some kind of rules is still acting as Soviet Union: reciprocity. You do this to my citizens, I do the same to yours…. My personal non political opinion is that in some cases and for some things (not for visas) it should be enforced in EU too… a simple rule based on the others rule…. You can’t do it at your home you will not do it here…

The main fact is who you are and where and why you are going to Russia.

You are a single tourist with Business/sex purposes? Yes a lot travel for business on tourist visa, most of all, just go with the queue… or ask a visa agency. Get your hotel and your visa, just pay nothing is more simple…

You are a well known (by the Ovir and may be probably FSB) who is in travel and need a quick visa (your previously permanent business one is expired) and you are invited by a state owned or participated company? Almost every Russian consulate will provide a quick service (often even in closing times or on Sunday!). And of course it will cost a lot! (and usually you get no recipe!). In this case may be you will even get the Visa from the Embassy (I had it once from Sunday to Monday, but it was guaranteed by a real big state owned and run company).

By the way all the EU Citizens due to a bilateral agreement of 25 may 2006 signed in Sochi should be able to present a visa request in any EU country, but of course they need an explanation of why they are there and not at their usual residence, for instance a notarized letter of the employer… Really do not know why but this is specified and not valid for citizens of UK, Ireland, Denmark, with different rules.

Your visa history has a lot of importance for Russians (as obvious)… and of course from which country you are… (born, citizen and passport…)

How shall I say visa regulations in Russia are very elastic, but do not think they are stupid, and do not believe in the 5 years visa, usually it does not exist. It’ might be given to persons who have real motivation to travel often in Russia (even a 2 or 3 year one) but in the previous two years have used a yearly business visa several times. For a business visa you might be called personally by the Consulate.

The yearly visa is for unlimited travel not more than 180 days in Russia of which 90 in row (it’s printed on…) of course with a even with a good story and a permanent (one year) visa do not ask for a hotel reservation in front of the ship yard in Severodvinsk… uhmmm it might be really difficult!

Just two cents…
IT

[QUOTE=Prosal]On a side note ....

With the multiplication of cheap flights to Europe (200€ a round-trip ticket from Moscow), it is becoming more and more cheaper to invite a "freebie" FSU girl for a few days to your hometown, supposing you live in a world-class city that she dreams to visit, such as Paris, London, Rome, ect. [/QUOTE]
Good call Prosal.

In the case of travel-ready devs, bringing them to Europe is an excellent choice.

I’ve done it a few times before myself and in May am flying a girl into Barcelona for 4 nights.

I never take girls to my hometown as I like to keep a certain distance to the girls since it makes managing multiple relationships much easier, but in a variation on the theme I meet them close to my home and then travel to another European city that I myself want to visit. A win-win situation and with current travel prices in Europe's excellent holiday travel infrastructure, it really is very affordable. In fact, the only extra cost is her airfare. All the other costs I would have had anyway.

You are right that it is still difficult for Russian girls to get Shengen visas. They can get them of course, but it takes some effort on their part and some money. My policy has been that getting the visa is their business, but if they do I’ll be happy to take a “mini-otpusk” with her somewhere in Europe. And as you correctly stated, it pays sexual dividends for years.

You are also correct that, especially in Moscow, there is a whole generation of office staff/young professional dyev that has enough money to pay for most of her own costs. I’ve met a couple of girls in Paris this way, them paying for their own flights and even one case where a particularly wealthy girl paid for the hotel, 5 stars of course. A lot of these girls already have Shengen visas that they either acquired through work or got on their own for their own holidays.

As you said, girls of a certain social class don’t go to Turkey or Egypt, they go to Europe or Asia.

There is another advantage that you also touched on. The girl’s mentality changes when she is on holiday, in a positive sense. I’ll tell girls upfront that we aren’t eating out everyday and should save some money for cultural excursions etc. They accept this without question and are genuinely interested in art and museums, next to lounging in parks or on the beach of course.

The biggest advantage is their gratification. I usually pick girls who are between 20-24 and have had limited travel experience. Taking them on a holiday to a glamorous place is worth GOLD to them in bragging rights to their friends. I really even think this is the most important thing to them.

A while back I took a girl to Venice. She still talks about it when we meet and she laughingly admits that she used our trip as bragging rights with her friends for almost 2 years.

“Dasha, you ever been to the Venice? No? Oh dear, poor you… having to go to Egypt again in the Spring with the poor people… Oh look, here is a picture of me in a gondola…” :)

All in all though, Russian girls make excellent sex travel companions.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Good call Prosal.

In the case of travel-ready devs, bringing them to Europe is an excellent choice.

I’ve done it a few times before myself and in May am flying a girl into Barcelona for 4 nights.

I never take girls to my hometown as I like to keep a certain distance to the girls since it makes managing multiple relationships much easier, but in a variation on the theme I meet them close to my home and then travel to another European city that I myself want to visit. A win-win situation and with current travel prices in Europe's excellent holiday travel infrastructure, it really is very affordable. In fact, the only extra cost is her airfare. All the other costs I would have had anyway.

You are right that it is still difficult for Russian girls to get Shengen visas. They can get them of course, but it takes some effort on their part and some money. My policy has been that getting the visa is their business, but if they do I’ll be happy to take a “mini-otpusk” with her somewhere in Europe. And as you correctly stated, it pays sexual dividends for years.

You are also correct that, especially in Moscow, there is a whole generation of office staff/young professional dyev that has enough money to pay for most of her own costs. I’ve met a couple of girls in Paris this way, them paying for their own flights and even one case where a particularly wealthy girl paid for the hotel, 5 stars of course. A lot of these girls already have Shengen visas that they either acquired through work or got on their own for their own holidays.

As you said, girls of a certain social class don’t go to Turkey or Egypt, they go to Europe or Asia.

There is another advantage that you also touched on. The girl’s mentality changes when she is on holiday, in a positive sense. I’ll tell girls upfront that we aren’t eating out everyday and should save some money for cultural excursions etc. They accept this without question and are genuinely interested in art and museums, next to lounging in parks or on the beach of course.

The biggest advantage is their gratification. I usually pick girls who are between 20-24 and have had limited travel experience. Taking them on a holiday to a glamorous place is worth GOLD to them in bragging rights to their friends. I really even think this is the most important thing to them.

A while back I took a girl to Venice. She still talks about it when we meet and she laughingly admits that she used our trip as bragging rights with her friends for almost 2 years.

“Dasha, you ever been to the Venice? No? Oh dear, poor you… having to go to Egypt again in the Spring with the poor people… Oh look, here is a picture of me in a gondola…” :)

All in all though, Russian girls make excellent sex travel companions.[/QUOTE]


A master in seducing FSU girls.... all my appreciation ;)

IT

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]All in all though, Russian girls make excellent sex travel companions.[/QUOTE]
The bests. :)

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
There is another advantage that you also touched on. The girl’s mentality changes when she is on holiday, in a positive sense. I’ll tell girls upfront that we aren’t eating out everyday and should save some money for cultural excursions etc. They accept this without question and are genuinely interested in art and museums, next to lounging in parks or on the beach of course.

The biggest advantage is their gratification. I usually pick girls who are between 20-24 and have had limited travel experience. Taking them on a holiday to a glamorous place is worth GOLD to them in bragging rights to their friends. I really even think this is the most important thing to them.

A while back I took a girl to Venice. She still talks about it when we meet and she laughingly admits that she used our trip as bragging rights with her friends for almost 2 years.

“Dasha, you ever been to the Venice? No? Oh dear, poor you… having to go to Egypt again in the Spring with the poor people… Oh look, here is a picture of me in a gondola…” :)

All in all though, Russian girls make excellent sex travel companions.[/QUOTE]

Dr. S,
Again, you nailed it. I have found Russian girls great to travel with. I have tried the rendezvous in a 3rd location for a sex-weekend / mini-break an excellent investment. I was surprised at how knowledgeable they were in art and culture and how eager they were to experience life out of Moscow. Even a train-trip to Kiev was a like a magic carpet ride. I picked her up from the train station and you would have thought she just arrived in Paris. Nothing quite a like a woman on holiday.

I suppose this would be better classified in the "Dating Russian Women" category, but would like to share another little discovery I made with respect to gifts. On my way to Moscow I had a few hour layover in London Heathrow. Wandering by the Harrod's shop I noticed that they had these leatherette plastic shoulder bags for sale. Nothing too fancy but they came in dark green or black with a zipper on top and the recognizable Harrod's logo on the side emblazoned in gold (paint). They were on sale for about $25 each so a I bought a few just for the hell of it.

After being in Moscow for a week I presented one of these little shoulder bags to a strip club dancer I had been dating. Well, you would think I had brought her Gucci or Prada. She was over the moon with delight and eternally grateful (wink, wink). She immediately stuffed her other bag in the Harrod's bag and proudly paraded down Tverskaya with her new trophy after leaving my apartment. Probably the best bang for 25 bucks I have ever had!!!!!

Will wonders never cease?

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]All in all though, Russian girls make excellent sex travel companions.[/QUOTE]
The bests.

Not to mention the fact that they inevitably bring along in their bags the finest of their fine lingerie collection (which, for a russian dyev, is obligatorily huge). Yummy yummy.

:)

There is a facility on Rambler that allows you to search for "travel partners". Their profile indicates if sex is/may be included (хочу «отрываться без тормозов» (возможен секс)), and where they are interested in going.

I used it once to take a nice cutie from Kazan to Amsterdam (her choice) and we had a great couple of days. According to her, any of the girls that indicate возможен секс would do it. But that could be an unreliable sample size.

Some of my sponsorettes have also enjoyed holidays within Russia - bringing them to Moscow, taking them to St. Pete or a battlefield tour of Kursk always gets the right response!

Cheers,

[QUOTE=Dogger862]There is a facility on Rambler that allows you to search for "travel partners". Their profile indicates if sex is/may be included (хочу «отрываться без тормозов» (возможен секс)), and where they are interested in going.

I used it once to take a nice cutie from Kazan to Amsterdam (her choice) and we had a great couple of days. According to her, any of the girls that indicate возможен секс would do it. But that could be an unreliable sample size.

Some of my sponsorettes have also enjoyed holidays within Russia - bringing them to Moscow, taking them to St. Pete or a battlefield tour of Kursk always gets the right response!

Cheers,[/QUOTE]How much did the couple of days in Amsterdam cost you ?

[QUOTE=Chercheur]How much did the couple of days in Amsterdam cost you ?[/QUOTE]A couple of thousand Euros all up I guess, with airfares, accomodation, meals, siteseeing and a few little presents here and there.

Considering I was planning a long weekend somewhere in Europe anyway, it proved to be good value with excellent company.

My recommendation would be to do plenty of groundwork before the holiday though, just to be sure you both understand what is expected and just to ensure that you "click". You'll be spending alot of time with her, and you don't want to ruin the trip!

Cheers

On a cultural note.

It has been talked many times here of the importance to be a bit "culturally aware" to woo Russian women. Russians are really suckers for their own culture. For that matter, the knowledge of the existence of Nashe Radio inevitably boosts your position. Its chart is the major rock music chart in Russia. Many many devs love it (even if admittedly many also like electro-pop shit) or at least appreciate it for its 100% Russian programation and its unconditional faith in Russian musical culture. In any case, mentionning it scores you points.

[url]http://guzei.com/online_radio/listen.php?lang_id=5&online_radio_id=2475[/url]

The main characteristic of Russian rock is being partly folk-rock, with unconventional instruments used in addition to the standard electric guitars and drums(like violin, accordion or wind instruments). Lyrics play also a large role, with many references to Russian literature, poetry and national themes. I personally really like Russian rock and Nashe is definitively my favorite radio worldwide.

[QUOTE=Prosal]The main characteristic of Russian rock is being partly folk-rock, with unconventional instruments used in addition to the standard electric guitars and drums[/QUOTE]Not to mention that crazy oom-pah beat! :)

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Not to mention that crazy oom-pah beat! :)[/QUOTE] I am digging it.