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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2645788]So I started with about 200 conversations over a year and a half or so.[/QUOTE]This is why most people have shitty SA / Facebook / Tinder / Badoo / Cupid dates and experiences. They are unwilling to do the mountain of work it takes to have a great experience.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2644169]I like them young and fresh, ideally in the 18-23 yo range. Most of the girls of this age are unemployed, or have shitty low paying job, or study, and many live with their parents. Let's be realistic here, 95%+ SA girls in MDE and BOG of that age are hos, they expect to get paid, because nobody wants to fuck an old gringo fart for free. If they just want to get a good dick and not get paid, they have plenty of options among their Colombian peers. Hooking up with the above mentioned professionals is doable only if you are okay with dating older women, not the hottest ones, most likely divorced and with kids. You also need to be ready to invest some time in those women as many won't fuck you on the first date. Average gringo monger coming to Colombia is average or below average looking, usually out of shape, older dude who has limited time and budget. Dating a professional is not even feasible to them, and the language barrier makes it even worse. Unless you speak Spanish, look fit, are relatively young, spend a lot of time in Colombia and have some disposable cash, dating a hot freebies / non-pro who "can't get enough of your dick" is impossible. Again, I'm talking about an average monger. Elvis, if you can pull it off, congrats, good for you, but I'm sure your situation is different and you are not an average gringo coming down to Colombia for a few days. So suggesting not to discuss price / gifts upfront, or not offer to pay (in other words, treating them like they are not hos but regular women) won't get a monger laid, simply because the girls will not be interested in meeting, that's the reality.[/QUOTE]Facts.
Very insightful analysis of the situation.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2645788]So I started with about 200 conversations over a year and a half or so. I guess that yielded like 40 dates. 30 were ho types or I just was not interested in pursuing them. There were 10 or so that I pursued, and of those, there were like 5 or so that were sugar baby material IMO and then the one distinguished herself. I would say the average woman was a 7 or 8 in looks and I was with what I would call two 10's and two 9's. On average, the seeking women were not as skilled in bed as hos but most were willing to go bare. Of course, I picked out the best performing women in bed so those women on average were better than girls.
I think I was patient because the odds are even worse in the USA, and it was actually easier there than here. Don Carlos put out a wider net, spent more time in Colombia than I did, and he caught more than I did as I would expect.
I like how you described it as work, and it is not easy. I also like how you say it is kind of hard to go back to WGs after you have done seeking. I totally agree with that too.[/QUOTE]My friend Elvis. And the board members. Happy New Years! I have scheduled 6 weeks in Colombia and just now beginning to feel it's not enough time. Yes I found some 50 girls total in or near three major cities (Not Cartagena) I know ½ won't show up, nor be perfect 10's or will disappear before I get there. Here's the rub. This took me nearly 5 days on line and it's not done yet. Still need to close the deal. And I will have to fly around to 3 or 4 cities. That is way too much! Interviewing this many is also crushing work. I am considering have 2 places to stay, 2 phones, maybe 3. LOL.
So I messaged a couple hot ho's I know for back up to relieve this awful stress searching for girls on SA. LOL I will probably look up my 2 bilingual guides so we can just go straight to Santa Fe, Poblado and Girls Club. This is hard work and that stress builds up. I understand why you would want to just pay and play, just to relieve the stress of chasing.
I have found girls beyond 10's in looks to hook up with in Colombia. In the USA sadly 1 or 2 every 5-10 years. Not as hot. Here is the philosophical question. WHY? Is finding and being with the most gorgeous women I can find so important? What good is a penis if you don't use it? Why does porn make so much money?
So if I end up with ONE girl (which I already have) in Bogota. I am way ahead of what I would accomplish in any other county or situation.
Elvis how and where do you interview multiple candidates? Online? WS? Restaurants?
Rather than pontificating here is just my report from boots on the ground:
Santa Fe.
Seemed pretty busy, lots of girls on the street, going rate seemed to be 30-50 k for 15 minutes and about 10 k for the room. The streets are disgusting and covered with trash. I didn't go into the clubs. I didn't feel it was unsafe; The biggest risk is probably being robbed by a streetwalker when you are in the room. I did see a few trannies and based on hearsay they are the most dangerous. If streetwalkers are your thing, maybe to avoid problems you could pick one of the girls who is standing in front of one the short time hotels and if she works in the same place every day she is less likely to rob you vs some gal on some random street corner.
SA.
I did hit some Seeking girls. The prices ranged from 150 k to 250 k plus taxi for two to three hours at my room, to 350k for overnight. They ranged from gals living in the southern barrios to a medical student, so quite a wide range actually. I asked them to bring an ID every time and I cancelled an appointment with one girl who said she had lost her ID. They all have an ID (Cedula), so if they don't there is probably something wrong. I do feel that Seeking gals tend to charge more especially if they speak English. One girl asked for 600 k. I'm sure that if you could find the same girls in another way, eg. On Facebook, they will probably charge less. Unless you are Tom Cruise you should expect to pay for Seeking girls. (The whole premise of the platform is an "arrangement" whereby you trade something. E. g. Sex for money). The overnight girl showed up, then at midnight claimed her kid was sick and she had to go...i didnt beleive a word but was happy for her to go actually as she was lackluster. She claimed she was saving money to study english in Seattle.
Tinder.
I used Tinder but it just sucked, hardly any hits.
Transportation.
Uber and Didi sucked. Not many cars, cancel all the time. It seemed easier to to hail a yellow cab. One time I called a Didi for a gal and it broke down in the middle of a slum. The gal was panicking but the driver finally got it going.
Covid test.
As mentioned by another BM I used Profamillia on CL 34 #14-52. It is like Planned Parenthood and I guess they are just doing testing on the side. It opens at around 7 am, pay 90 k at the cashier for antigen test, wait under the tent for about 30 minutes, get tested, then wait about another 30 mins for the paper result. Can be a bit tricky if you don't speak Spanish. Synlab has a place at the airport but it had a huge line when I passed by.
ATMs.
BBVA reliably gave me 300 k, rate close to 4 k COP / USD, with a fee of about 20 kCOP. BancoColombia denied me every time.
Other sources of girls.
I did strike up a conversation with the security guard in the place I was staying. He told me freelancers usually charge 100-150 k for three to four hours. I didn't get to try, but getting to know a local you can trust could let you tap into sources that are not usually available to tourists.
Accommodation.
I stayed in an airbnb near Santa Fe. It was $35 US per night. I think if you want to hit Santa Fe you are probably better staying within walking distance of it. However, if you want to hit casas you are better of staying in Chapinero as there are more casas up there. The downtown near Santa Fe is safe enough in the daytime but its a graffiti covered dump and is dead and pretty sketchy at night. Santa Fe / Centro wasnt bad for meeting freelancers though as most of them lived in the barrios (slums) in the south.
Foreigners.
I felt there were very few tourists in town. I think Bogota isn't on most travellers list, vs Medellin which is getting on the (sex) tourist trail. Most of the girls I met claimed they had never met a foreigner before.
Vaccine card
Several places, e.g. Montseratte and the museums asked to see vaccine proof and a picture ID for entry. Most restaurants didnt care.
Coming back to the US
At Copa airlines check in I needed to show antigen Covid test within 1 day of travel, US online Covid attestation, check Mig and vaccine proof....damn.
I hate to as but what is SA? Is this an APP. What is the full name to search and download and how you find girls on SA.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Igor54;2645950]I tried to buy a girl from online agency in Bogota. That was a slow chatting and it was obvious that they are looking for an available girl. Finally I said no, and ordered from photoprepagos. The next day, I texted to a random girl on photoprepagos. She was going to come, but in 10 min she texted that she checked my number somewhere and my phone number had negative reviews that is why she canceled. I can connect it only to the agency. Any suggestions where they posted their review?[/QUOTE]Hmmmm. Have never heard of this before. I'm just spit-ball here but perhaps she spoke with some other chicas who you have met before? Perhaps she just decided to cancel for some reason?
Only thing that I can possibly think of is another forum similar to ISG but is primarily used by local mongers and is primarily in Spanish. I don't want to break any forum rules or piss anyone off, but I'm sure an internet search would yield you the forum name. First part of the forum begins with Don. Again, I've never seen or heard about anything when it comes to the customer side of things, but seems that some chicas post messages there. Maybe there?
[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2646202]Rather than pontificating here is just my report from boots on the ground:
Santa Fe.
Seemed pretty busy, lots of girls on the street, going rate seemed to be 30-50 k for 15 minutes and about 10 k for the room. The streets are disgusting and covered with trash. I didn't go into the clubs. I didn't feel it was unsafe; The biggest risk is probably being robbed by a streetwalker when you are in the room. I did see a few trannies and based on hearsay they are the most dangerous. If streetwalkers are your thing, maybe to avoid problems you could pick one of the girls who is standing in front of one the short time hotels and if she works in the same place every day she is less likely to rob you vs some gal on some random street corner....[/QUOTE]Nice, informative, and concise report!
Interesting note about Didi and Uber. Other than closing time on a Saturday night at Andres Carnes in Chia and not really being able to service the airport, have never had a problem with Uber other than when it wasn't available for a time a couple of years ago. Looks like that may be changing again.
Your observations with showing vaccine proof are pretty much what I expected when they came out with these weeks ago. I suspect that once you get out of the bigger cities, enforcement will be minimal if at any at all. I know you didn't enter the clubs in SF, but did you see anyone asking / showing vaccine proof?
Again, thanks for posting your report!
[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2646202]Rather than pontificating here is just my report from boots on the ground:
SA.
I did hit some Seeking girls. The prices ranged from 150 k to 250 k plus taxi for two to three hours at my room, to 350k for overnight. They ranged from gals living in the southern barrios to a medical student, so quite a wide range actually. I asked them to bring an ID every time and I cancelled an appointment with one girl who said she had lost her ID. They all have an ID (Cedula), so if they don't there is probably something wrong. I do feel that Seeking gals tend to charge more especially if they speak English. One girl asked for 600 k. I'm sure that if you could find the same girls in another way, eg. On Facebook, they will probably charge less. Unless you are Tom Cruise you should expect to pay for Seeking girls. (The whole premise of the platform is an "arrangement" whereby you trade something. E. g. Sex for money). The overnight girl showed up, then at midnight claimed her kid was sick and she had to go...i didnt beleive a word but was happy for her to go actually as she was lackluster. She claimed she was saving money to study english in Seattle.
[/QUOTE]I did not bother with SA when I was last there. I felt USD100 even for a month to use the platform is a waste of money. However, based on your feedback, it may warrant a second look the next time. I like girls with lower mileage who do not do this full time and whom I can engage her as an escort if there is chemistry between us. The price that you mentioned above is reasonable for multiple hours and relatively cheap for a long term LT service.
When I was last there in Bogota with my Colombian amiga girl, we were both looking for girls via mileroticos to service us. Then again, the price is at a higher premium since we need additional services from the chicas like atenciand a la pareja (attention to couple). Might be nice if I can find more bi-sexual girls in SA.
[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2646202]
Transportation.
Uber and Didi sucked. Not many cars, cancel all the time. It seemed easier to to hail a yellow cab. One time I called a Didi for a gal and it broke down in the middle of a slum. The gal was panicking but the driver finally got it going.
[/QUOTE]I got cancelled a few times by Uber as well, until I switched my payment from credit card to cash. I was told that these drivers do not like credit card as payment since it will take a while before they seem them from Uber.
[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2646202]
Covid test.
As mentioned by another BM I used Profamillia on CL 34 #14-52. It is like Planned Parenthood and I guess they are just doing testing on the side. It opens at around 7 am, pay 90 k at the cashier for antigen test, wait under the tent for about 30 minutes, get tested, then wait about another 30 mins for the paper result. Can be a bit tricky if you don't speak Spanish. Synlab has a place at the airport but it had a huge line when I passed by.
[/QUOTE]I paid extra for them to just come to my hotel for the test. More convenient for me that way. Also, avoid paying for any extra covid test service when purchasing your ticket from Avianca. I made that mistake since there is no communication from Avianca or anybody even up to the day when I am to fly out. Luckily I have scheduled for the test with another company as a backup. Pure money grab from Avianca if I may say so.
[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2646202]
ATMs.
BBVA reliably gave me 300 k, rate close to 4 k COP / USD, with a fee of about 20 kCOP. BancoColombia denied me every time.
Other sources of girls.
I did strike up a conversation with the security guard in the place I was staying. He told me freelancers usually charge 100-150 k for three to four hours. I didn't get to try, but getting to know a local you can trust could let you tap into sources that are not usually available to tourists.
[/QUOTE]From my last trip, Banco Davivienda seems to be the better option for me. Best ATM rates that I had seen, and better yet, it allowed me to withdraw up to 2,000 mil at a time. The only downside is that they only offer the 50 mil cash and no longer the 100 mil. Is 100 mil cash not in circulation anymore? I prefer not to carry around thick wads of cash.
[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2646202]
Accommodation.
I stayed in an airbnb near Santa Fe. It was $35 US per night. I think if you want to hit Santa Fe you are probably better staying within walking distance of it. However, if you want to hit casas you are better of staying in Chapinero as there are more casas up there. The downtown near Santa Fe is safe enough in the daytime but its a graffiti covered dump and is dead and pretty sketchy at night. Santa Fe / Centro wasnt bad for meeting freelancers though as most of them lived in the barrios (slums) in the south.
[/QUOTE]I believe there is the old part of Bogota where the Santa Fe is and the new part of town which I think is called the Zona T, Zona are? Anyway, I went to the area for a breakfast one time and the area was pretty nice. They even have Audi and Maserati dealerships there. Good enough for me, LOL.
[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2646202]
Foreigners.
I felt there were very few tourists in town. I think Bogota isn't on most travellers list, vs Medellin which is getting on the (sex) tourist trail. Most of the girls I met claimed they had never met a foreigner before.
Vaccine card
Several places, e.g. Montseratte and the museums asked to see vaccine proof and a picture ID for entry. Most restaurants didnt care.
[/QUOTE]Very true on the girls who would claim about prior experience with foreigners. I think by that it would mean non-Central or non-South Americans.
[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2646202]
Coming back to the US
At Copa airlines check in I needed to show antigen Covid test within 1 day of travel, US online Covid attestation, check Mig and vaccine proof....damn.[/QUOTE]Avianca even made me sign a few pages of declaration, with everything in Spanish, saying that I am fully vaccinated yadiyada. Not sure why I have been singled out on the flight back to sign this, even after I had shown my negative covid test. Are they not allowed to legally ask for my vaccination status to fly back home (who knows?) While they can demand to see that for non-Americans? I would have gladly just shown them my vaccination status if they were only to ask if I can just not waste my time signing those damn declaration papers. Anyway, it's weird and I see it as a cover your ass thing by Avianca.
[QUOTE=Quiksilver;2646306]Nice, informative, and concise report!
Interesting note about Didi and Uber. Other than closing time on a Saturday night at Andres Carnes in Chia and not really being able to service the airport, have never had a problem with Uber other than when it wasn't available for a time a couple of years ago. Looks like that may be changing again.
Your observations with showing vaccine proof are pretty much what I expected when they came out with these weeks ago. I suspect that once you get out of the bigger cities, enforcement will be minimal if at any at all. I know you didn't enter the clubs in SF, but did you see anyone asking / showing vaccine proof?
Again, thanks for posting your report![/QUOTE]Thank you.
I didn't see anyone asking about vaccine proof in SF, but as I mentioned, I didn't enter any of the clubs. The short time hotels didn't care. I think you could just have a picture of the vaccine card and your picture ID just in case. The police do sometimes just stop people and ask for ID so its good practice to carry a picture ID at least. (e. G. A drivers license if you don't want to carry your passport).
[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2646430]I did not bother with SA when I was last there. I felt USD100 even for a month to use the platform is a waste of money. However, based on your feedback, it may warrant a second look the next time. I like girls with lower mileage who do not do this full time and whom I can engage her as an escort if there is chemistry between us. The price that you mentioned above is reasonable for multiple hours and relatively cheap for a long term LT service.
When I was last there in Bogota with my Colombian amiga girl, we were both looking for girls via mileroticos to service us. Then again, the price is at a higher premium since we need additional services from the chicas like atenciand a la pareja (attention to couple). Might be nice if I can find more bi-sexual girls in SA.
Reply: Interestingly, one of the seeking girls said she was bisexual, and that her gf forbid her from meeting girls, but it was ok for her to meet guys!
I got cancelled a few times by Uber as well, until I switched my payment from credit card to cash. I was told that these drivers do not like credit card as payment since it will take a while before they seem them from Uber.
I paid extra for them to just come to my hotel for the test. More convenient for me that way. Also, avoid paying for any extra covid test service when purchasing your ticket from Avianca. I made that mistake since there is no communication from Avianca or anybody even up to the day when I am to fly out. Luckily I have scheduled for the test with another company as a backup. Pure money grab from Avianca if I may say so.
From my last trip, Banco Davivienda seems to be the better option for me. Best ATM rates that I had seen, and better yet, it allowed me to withdraw up to 2,000 mil at a time. The only downside is that they only offer the 50 mil cash and no longer the 100 mil. Is 100 mil cash not in circulation anymore? I prefer not to carry around thick wads of cash.
Reply: I only saw 50 mil bills
I believe there is the old pa
rt of Bogota where the Santa Fe is and the new part of town which I think is called the Zona T, Zona are? Anyway, I went to the area for a breakfast one time and the area was pretty nice. They even have Audi and Maserati dealerships there. Good enough for me, LOL.
Reply: I think Zona T is further north, near Chapinero.I stayed in the downtown area near BD Bacata.
Very true on the girls who would claim about prior experience with foreigners. I think by that it would mean non-Central or non-South Americans.
Reply: Yes, by foreigner I mean north Americans, Europeans, etc.
Avianca even made me sign a few pages of declaration, with everything in Spanish, saying that I am fully vaccinated yadiyada. Not sure why I have been singled out on the flight back to sign this, even after I had shown my negative covid test. Are they not allowed to legally ask for my vaccination status to fly back home (who knows?) While they can demand to see that for non-Americans? I would have gladly just shown them my vaccination status if they were only to ask if I can just not waste my time signing those damn declaration papers. Anyway, it's weird and I see it as a cover your ass thing by Avianca.[/QUOTE]Reply: Copa airlines had a similar thing, but it was online.
[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2646601]Thank you.
I didn't see anyone asking about vaccine proof in SF, but as I mentioned, I didn't enter any of the clubs. The short time hotels didn't care. I think you could just have a picture of the vaccine card and your picture ID just in case. The police do sometimes just stop people and ask for ID so its good practice to carry a picture ID at least. (e. G. A drivers license if you don't want to carry your passport).[/QUOTE]They don't ask for vax proof in the clubs-- No One Gives a crap about it. And Everyone is Fine.
[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2646430]I like girls with lower mileage who do not do this full time and whom I can engage her as an escort if there is chemistry between us.[/QUOTE]And what helps you believe they have lower mileage? Because ONE place they advertise is a website that cost $100 for guys? Everyone likes chicks with lower mileage so everyone runs over there to get chicks with lower mileage in turn making them chicks with higher mileage. Hmmm.
Or maybe you believe she is only a hooker every third Thursday from 5-7 pm and just happens to be luck that that is when you are in town. Just because they do not do it full time does not mean they do not do it all the time. All you know is what they tell you.
A lot of times if I order a chick off the internet then she will ask where I saw her ad. This is because different sites are known to have different general prices. If I saw her on site A she knows to charge me prices relative to site A and if site B then prices relative to site B. This is why I never tell them which site, but if they give me some high price, I say but your ad says a lower price; because they do not advertise on only one site.
I do not use SA. Any ideas, male via female full membership price?
[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2646606]
Reply: Interestingly, one of the seeking girls said she was bisexual, and that her gf forbid her from meeting girls, but it was ok for her to meet guys!
[/QUOTE]Thanks for that info. This is really helpful. I went into SA and did an initial scan of those in Bogota. Many of them in fact look good. Of course, I will never know if any of them are catfish, but I would tend filter out those that look too good to be true, such as model photo shoots.
If I may ask, how do you typically operate within this platform? Do you initiate a chat with them directly and then bring up the services that they are willing to offer etc?
What is the typical response rate from the girls in those list? How far ahead do you usually initiate contact with them?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2646776]And what helps you believe they have lower mileage? Because ONE place they advertise is a website that cost $100 for guys? Everyone likes chicks with lower mileage so everyone runs over there to get chicks with lower mileage in turn making them chicks with higher mileage. Hmmm.
Or maybe you believe she is only a hooker every third Thursday from 5-7 pm and just happens to be luck that that is when you are in town. Just because they do not do it full time does not mean they do not do it all the time. All you know is what they tell you.[/QUOTE]Good point, but you have to know the numbers. There are 4 X as many women on seeking as men. In some countries, the ratio is much better for men. A $100 is nothing for men in the USA and a little harder for men in Mexico (though there are more Mexican men on seeking than anywhere), but it is more of a deterrent in Colombia. So in Bogota, you probably have a few hundred men looking at 10,000+ women. Could they be hos elsewhere? I guess but does it even matter?
I met a gal who worked retail. She was an ex beauty queen from Venezuela. She was amazingly fashionable, danced great, and had the tightest pussy I had been with in years. She said she had not had sex for years and maybe she had not. She was not skilled orally at all.
I see her a second time and take her shopping. The women pushed for all that she could get. The bill was crazy high for someone in Colombia. Up until then, she had not mentioned a price and not been terribly materialistic. She told me I was the first guy she met from the site. Shortly thereafter, it is pretty clear that she is just interested in money and not me at all and I break it off with her. She is a ho who did a good job hiding she was a ho, but I followed her on Instagram.
A few months later, she shows that she has a treasure of things. Silk this, gold that. She hit the jackpot and I think wanted to show me and others she did. I think she was trying to show me that she had it made. Maybe she was hoping I would react because two weeks later, she unfriended me. A few months later, she reappears on seeking (obviously the guy who bought her all that stuff learned what she was like I did) and then finally fades away. I bet she got no new takers for her BS.
Seeking shows how long you have been on the site. So if you have been on for years, no one is going to consider you low volume. It was nice fucking that tight pussy but if even I thought she was low volume and not truly a ho, that was quickly disproved. Hell, she was as big a ho as I ever met even. What was obvious to me after I met her is that she was not going to be low volume for long.
For the record though Mr. E, she exuded a health, class, and energy I have not seen from any dancer, ho, or club girl. Appearance wise, you could bring home to your family and not be embarrassed and I have only met women like her from seeking.