[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey] Perhaps we need to stop putting so much money into prophylactic research and focus on finding a cure for gross stupidity and selfishness.[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid that there is not enough money in the world for this one.
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey] Perhaps we need to stop putting so much money into prophylactic research and focus on finding a cure for gross stupidity and selfishness.[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid that there is not enough money in the world for this one.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Newsflash, Opebo. Women aren't asking for yet another way for men to shirk their sexual responsibilities. We've taken pills that increase our risk of cancer, used IUDs that make us infertile, bought sponges and caps and spermicides that inflame our vaginas and make us MORE susceptible to infection...all so MEN can have condom-free, consequence-free, responsibility-free sex. Enough is enough. Condoms work better than anything else we have, or are likely to have in the near future. Men just need to stop behaving like spoiled children and start using the damn things.
I've said it before and I'll say it again...P4P is NOT 'normal, natural sex'. It is sex between complete strangers, who know nothing about each others' sexual health or sexual history. Wh*res have sex with five, ten, fifteen or more men a day - certain mongers on this site go bareback from girl to girl (including their wives) and never have an STD test in their lives. This is NOT the kind of environment where you can rely on some ridiculous snake oil spray or lubricant, which was probably only designed to suit married men with vasectomies who have sex with their wives once a fortnight.
Perhaps we need to stop putting so much money into prophylactic research and focus on finding a cure for gross stupidity and selfishness.[/QUOTE][APPLAUSE] Can we make this a post of distinction?[/APPLAUSE]
[QUOTE=Member #2041]I'm afraid that there is not enough money in the world for this one.[/QUOTE]
Amen, 2041.
Rubber Nursey: Thanks for clarifying my remarks. If I ever go back into practice, maybe we can put you on staff.
[QUOTE=Animby]Rubber Nursey: Thanks for clarifying my remarks. If I ever go back into practice, maybe we can put you on staff.[/QUOTE]
Can I wear one of those cute PVC nurses outfits? ;)
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Can I wear one of those cute PVC nurses outfits? ;)[/QUOTE]
It would be the first item in the description of the job responsibilities - assuming you felt compelled to wear anything at all.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]...Enough is enough. Condoms work better than anything else we have, or are likely to have in the near future. Men just need to stop behaving like spoiled children and start using the damn things.[/QUOTE]
I consider masturbation a more effective solution than the one you propose - it feels better, is cheaper, and is even safer.
[QUOTE=Opebo]I consider masturbation a more effective solution than the one you propose - it feels better, is cheaper, and is even safer.[/QUOTE]
It's safer? I had heard that it could make you go blind. And for sure, when it's the only outlet one has, it can drive you crazy.
[QUOTE=Opebo]I consider masturbation a more effective solution than the one you propose - it feels better, is cheaper, and is even safer.[/QUOTE]
Well, it's certainly the safer option for the all girls you're currently putting at risk.
As you know, Opebo, I don't care a damn about your own sexual health, nor do I take issue with your personal aversion to condoms. I hate condoms. As a wh*re I enforced condom use without compromise but, as I have always openly admitted, I rarely practice the same caution in my private life.
What I find so abhorrent is your complete disregard for the wellbeing of others. Putting your own sexual satisfaction over the health and welfare of another is simply unconscionable to me. When I choose to have sex without a condom a) I'm a woman, so I'm at much greater risk of catching something than my male partner is, b) I'm able to make a calculated risk assessment, thanks to extensive sexual health education, c) I have access to alternative contraception, free STD tests and treatment, and the morning after pill (or legal abortion) if necessary and d) I know for a fact that I'm not putting my partner at risk, because I have regular STD checks.
The women you 'convince' to do you bareback don't have these luxuries. You hold all the cards in the transaction. I really don't care if you end up catching something - you are an intelligent man who is well aware of the risk he's taking and you made an informed decision to take that risk. That's your right and I totally respect that, just as I respect a person's 'right' to take drugs or drink or smoke or SELL SEX or engage in any other so-called 'victimless crime' that society doesn't approve of.
But what you do is outright abuse and exploitation. Many (if not all) of these women either don't fully understand the risks, or are not in a position to refuse. Even if they DO understand the risks, do they have access to adequate healthcare after the fact? Can they walk into a free clinic and have an STD test? Can they get a safe abortion if you get them pregnant?
I just can't fathom how you can put so many people at risk (the girls, their partners, their children, the poor responsible clients who come after you and have a condom break, etc) ...all because sex 'feels better' if you're not wearing a condom. That is the most selfish thing I've ever heard.
Thanks for telling Opebo the way it is. Truth is, he does not care. It's his thing to get attention on this forum - the bareback pitch. Best ignore.
JB
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey].. I just can't fathom how you can put so many people at risk (the girls, their partners, their children, the poor responsible clients who come after you and have a condom break, etc) ...all because sex 'feels better' if you're not wearing a condom. That is the most selfish thing I've ever heard.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Truth is, he does not care....Best ignore.[/QUOTE]
I don't expect Opebo to pay any attention to me whatsoever, nor will his friends who get pissed off with me for 'preaching' ...but if just one man reads my post and spares a thought for the disadvantaged woman he's considering having unprotected sex with, it's worth it. That's why I can't ignore Opebo.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]...Many (if not all) of these women either don't fully understand the risks, or are not in a position to refuse.[/QUOTE]
I would not jump to the conclusion that these women don't understand. One thing I have learned in interacting with prostitutes from society's lower echelons is that in fact many of them are surprisingly well informed, and are of course often bright, inquisitive people. The assumption that poors are ignorant is not always accurate.
An interesting sign of their understanding of sexual matters is that many of them, as a condition to agreeing to condomless sex, ask that one 'pull out' and ejaculate outside the vagina or anus. This shows that they probably understand that sperm is a necessary cause of pregnancy, and that receiving ejaculate is much higher risk for hiv than finishing outside. Of course, the flaw in this strategy is that most men, once inside, will come inside, but at least the request shows these ladies are cognizant of the issues.
As for refusal, in most cases it is really not all that difficult to find another customer. It would usually just involve waiting a short while. I think what makes it difficult for them to refuse is that many, possibly most, customers insist as I do. So in that respect it is not reasonable to 'blame' me for putting someone at risk when this is commonplace or normal in the 'market'. Lastly I think that many women, particularly those over say 25 or 30, have already had so much condomless sex that they consider themselves 'high risk' and thus do not place a great import on insisting on the condom-usage.
Though I make no apologies for my actions, I do apologize for giving the impression that I comment about this issue on this wonderful board to 'gain attention'. I hope and believe that is not the case. I comment because I think it is an interesting and important aspect of our hobby, and because I think that many pro-condom people are unrealistic in their assumptions about what is going on out there.
In fact I think that condomless sex is just as common as the 'protected' kind in farang-oriented sexual services in Southeast Asia. This is worth talking about for two reasons - 1) some who have not yet visited this part of the world may be seeking bareback, and will appreciate knowing it is available, and 2) others may wish to avoid playing here due to this factor.
[QUOTE=Opebo]I consider masturbation a more effective solution than the one you propose - it feels better, is cheaper, and is even safer.[/QUOTE]That is usually the case, although i find condom sex can at times feel just as good or better than masturbation. Of course playing with one's self alone fails to provide the need for physical intimacy.
What about masturbating with a condom on? That would be even better because what if you are jacking off in a short-time hotel and you spooge all over the place and they don't change the sheets? Couldn't the next hooker who uses the bed get AIDS?
In fact it would be best to sleep with a condom on because you could have a wet dream and this could lead to the same thing. Therefore it is completely irresponsible to ever have your penis uncovered. Just put on a fresh condom every time you take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. That's the way to go.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]What about masturbating with a condom on?[/QUOTE]RAOTFLMFAO!!!!!!! Do you also sleep with a hat on to keep your's covered, Dickhead??? :D