I hope you don't kick yourself too much, Piper old chap.
Go get a nice tasty treat to ease your pain. :D
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I hope you don't kick yourself too much, Piper old chap.
Go get a nice tasty treat to ease your pain. :D
[QUOTE=Daddy07]Well, I'm certainly not saying they don't belong, and that's why I put the phrase in quotes, to indicate that is what the Thai bigots are thinking. Personally, I'd have no problem taking any woman to the Emporium and could care less what some Thai asshole thought about it.
My point is that some Thais hate Farangs just as much as they hate other Thais, and OTH should know that as well as any of us because that hatred has caused him real damage -- not just injured feelings.
And while OTH might use catchy terms such as "rent-a-ho," and "rent-a humps," I doubt that it makes him a bigot, since he freely admits he has rented them himself many times in the past, and probably will again, now that his current Isaan girl has decided to move on.
His problem, I think, is that he lets it get to him, (not without justification), while the rest of us don't give a shit about Thai snob culture because it doesn't affect us personally.[/QUOTE]
You may be right about motives but those are not "catchy terms" they are strategically chosen words used to make a point and in fairness I have been on this board too long because I have seen him used those and similar type phases repeatedly in numerous posts in the past and always in the same manner. While in other posts his phrasing and descriptions are innocuous because the intent of the posting is less purposeful.
[QUOTE=Run Mann]Who decided that they don't belong in the Emporium and why should they comply? I just don’t get this.[/QUOTE]
Interesting... I thought you were a LOS veteran? have you ever lived or worked here? with the above comment, it looks like you haven't.
No one decided they don't belong there, it's just the way things are. As OTH mentionned, they would stick out like a sore thumb adn get "looks" from other Thais. That's all. it's just about how comfortable they will feel being judged (or looked down upon) by other Thais.
Nothing a Farang's brain could understand because we aren't raised to think or feel like Thais.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Interesting... I thought you were a LOS veteran? have you ever lived or worked here? with the above comment, it looks like you haven't.
No one decided they don't belong there, it's just the way things are. As OTH mentionned, they would stick out like a sore thumb adn get "looks" from other Thais. That's all. it's just about how comfortable they will feel being judged (or looked down upon) by other Thais.
Nothing a Farang's brain could understand because we aren't raised to think or feel like Thais.[/QUOTE]
You are spouting off without the facts, go back and digest the entire discussion then respond. I posted that question in loosely rhetorical form to make a point not to generate a technical response. Do not take a response I made to another poster out of context to make suppositions about me.
[QUOTE=Run Mann]All bigots and antagonists, take note, this is an example of how to promote your own clandestine ajenda under the guise of explainining Thai bigotry. [/QUOTE]
No, it's not. I'm just explaining the situation as an answer to the original question/discussion. I can't be bothered to read through your whole post as I already know from previous exchanges your prejudice against me.
As a victim of the Thai elite, who've done untold damage to me in the last year, I'm hardly going to support their POV against anyone. So, perhaps, if I have any agenda, it would be as an anti-elitist. I'm just calling it as I see it.
Also, your remark that any Thai woman with a Farang is automatically seen as P4P is quite out-moded thinking. Mixed dating is much more widly practiced here, these days.
My maybe ex-GF (not sure, yet) has never been treated with anything but respect wherever we went together because she's white-skinned, wears good clothes, and speaks Thai properly, and therefore is assumed to be one of "them" (she's not, btw, she's from Isaan. But, she doesn't look like a typical Isaan girl - all illusion, as it turns out). So, whether or not, you want to accept that I'm just being specific, not racist, it still has everything to do with the things I described, which centre on appearance, deportment, the way they speak etc. Most importantly, this issue is about how the girls feel. It's immaterial whether the Farang guy doesn't give a shit or not how Thais think.
Also, I should point out that I speak from experience because at one time in the distant past, I too was one of those clueless guys at Emporium with a rent-a-ho going to a movie. I didn't actually know how people thought, (and I wouldn't have cared anyway) until I was eventually told by one girl from Buriram (the last BG I ever "dated") that she didn't like going there because people stared at her because she "wasn't the same" as the rest of the Thais there (i.e. she was very dark and didn't have nice clothes). So, I asked her where she wanted to go and what she wanted to do. I ended up with her at a outdoor market next to the Mall Bangkapi and then some modest, but excellent seafood restaurants near a small lake near the Mall - all very homegrown, authentic Thai. Here she was in her comfort zone and very happy. That, in the final analysis is the point - knowing what works and doesn't work within the framework of their culture.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]No, it's not. I'm just explaining the situation as an answer to the original question/discussion.
As a victim of the Thai elite, who've done untold damage to me in the last year, I'm hardly going to support their POV against anyone. So, perhaps, if I have any agenda, it would be as an anti-elitist.[/QUOTE]
As I wrote below to Daddy07, my objection was largely to the choice of words you used to describe the girls, (not that they are any angels) and the overall tone but only you know what is in your heart.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
Your remark that any Thai woman with a Farang is automatically seen as P4P is quite out-moded thinking.[/QUOTE]
I said generally not automatically and stand by that.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
My maybe ex-GF (not sure, yet) has never been treated with anything but respect wherever we went together because she's white-skinned, wears good clothes, and speaks Thai properly, and is assumed to be one of "them" (she's not, btw, she's from Isaan. But, she doesn't look like a typical Isaan girl - all illusion, as it turns out). So, whether or not, you want to accept that I'm just being specific, not racist, it still has everything to do with the things I described, which centre on appearance.[/QUOTE]
You don't know what they are thinking when they see you together so even if she is treated with respect it does not negate the fact that they may still think your relationship is the product of P4P.
[QUOTE=Piper1]
So, Dear Abby, what was that all about? Was I just having a middle-aged crisis, fantasizing that the young sweetheart was interested in me?
'Yes' I hear you saying.
But then why did she continually keep looking over and smiling sweetly and shyly then looking away? What should I have done?[/QUOTE]
:confused: That’s like the Bulls without Mike, China without rice, the Holy Bible without Ch….well you get the idea.
After this I am expecting America to catch Bin Laden tonight.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I can't be bothered to read through your whole post as I already know from previous exchanges your prejudice against me.
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You keep modifying your post but this is most ironic coming from you. I am prejudice against you because I don't share your view or dare to challenge what you wrote? You can surely dish it out so you should be able take it.
[QUOTE=Run Mann] It may or may not be true but Thai women seen with falangs are generally thought to be from the P4P industry.
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Thais know who is p4p and who is not. They don't generally "think" that if you are farang and have a girl that she is p4p. Thais will size YOU and your girl up in a matter of seconds and make their judgment based on what they see and how you interact.
I had a Bangkok non-p4p girlfriend for several years and we received nothing but respect in our daily interactions with all classes of Thai people.
[QUOTE=Run Mann]You don't know what they are thinking when they see you together so even if she is treated with respect it does not negate the fact that they may still think your relationship is the product of P4P.[/QUOTE]
You still don't get it. They can tell the difference because of how she acts, carries herself, dresses, and most importantly speaks.
P4P girls speak Thai and even Isaan like gutter-snipes, and it marks them as, at the very least uneducated and LoSo to other Thais.
[QUOTE=Run Mann]You keep modifying your post but this is most ironic coming from you. I am prejudice against you because I don't share your view or dare to challenge what you wrote? You can surely dish it out so you should be able take it.[/QUOTE]
It is NOT a POV. It's just a statement of fact. period.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]You still don't get it. They can tell the difference because of how she acts, carries herself, dresses, and most importantly speaks.
P4P girls speak Thai and even Isaan like gutter-snipes, and it marks them as, at the very least uneducated and LoSo to other Thais.[/QUOTE]
Not all P4P girls are from Issan and not all Issan BG girls act like or dress like hookers but since we will not convince each other this I will leave you to your beliefs and I will stick with mine.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]It is NOT a POV. It's just a statement of fact. period.[/QUOTE]
Of course once you say it, it is a fact in your mind, and you have used this same line on other posters who have disagreed with you before so this is nothing new. I am not the only one here who have accused you of being a bigot or making bigoted statements so I am in populous company with that line. However, I am not going to the fight club with you and since you are getting worked up I will bow out, this is not that personal to me. Peace!
[QUOTE=Run Mann]Not all P4P girls are from Issan and not all Issan BG girls act like or dress like hookers but since we will not convince each other this I will leave you to your beliefs and I will stick with mine.
Of course once you say it, it is a fact in your mind, and you have used this same line on other posters who have disagreed with you before so this is nothing new. I am not the only one here who have accused you of being a bigot so I am in populous company with that line. However, I am not going to the fight club with you and since you are getting worked up I will bow out, this is not that personal to me. Peace![/QUOTE]
me too. I'm not really that worked up. It's only ISG, after all. That's it for my current spurt of activity, for awhile. I'll go back into my hole, now, until the next time.
As always, it's been fun. cheers!
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]me too. I'm not really that worked up. It's only ISG, after all. That's it for my current spurt of activity, for awhile. I'll go back into my hole, now, until the next time. As always, it's been fun. cheers![/QUOTE]OTH: Before you sign-off for awhile would you check out my post on the Thai Politics thread.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=879237&postcount=1119[/url]
I am very interested in hearing your take on the current political situation [i]today,[/i] the post-Songkran situation, the Sondhi assassination attempt, the prospects for the UDD/Red Shirts causing more trouble, and what might come next in the LOS.
Among other new developments, [i]The Nation[/i] has been very anti-Abhisit lately ever since he brought up amending the constitution adopted during the Junta government. They seem to like Newin's camp a lot.
What do you think?
[quote=old thai hand]i bet she looked like an isaan girl, though, didn't she? dark skin? flat wide nose? listen, you could have draped her in dior and she would have been treated the same. i'm sure the waitress considered herself above your girl in status, and therefore wouldn't lower herself to wait on her.
emporium (like paragon) is a bastion of upper-class, white-skinned thais. if your date didn't look like them, she wasn't welcome, pure and simple.
one of the major topics of conversations and a great source of puzzlement with thais concerning farang seems to always focus on what they consider farang men's bad taste in women and especially a preference for dark-skinned isaan girls, which are considered ugly and at the bottom of the barrel, by thai standards. they also question why even young, good-looking farang guys here often prefer such ugly women.
a very hot, white-skinned thai student i know who's going to the states to study lamented she'd probably never get a date while there because she doesn't have dark skin and "look like an ugly isaan girl" and therefore nobody would like her. such is the perception here.
geez, haven't we had variations on this discussion a thousand times before?
why do many farang, especially visitors continue to try to fly in the face of thai social convention, as revolting as it may be to us, by traipsing their dates around in-appropriate venues where they are not welcome?
some on here in the past have expressed a perverse desire to stick it to snooty thai shop keepers and wait staff at places like emporium by forcing them to wait on their rent-a-hos. all one ends up doing in such a situation is making everyone feel uncomfortable. while farang may not agree with the many unsaviory aspects of thai culture, such as classism and racism, it is their culture, for better or worse. the farang, especially those who get so bent out of shape over this type of thing are largely visitors who don't really understand how to deal with the culture.[/quote]
what is so difficult to understand? well i can't seem to understand how a racist sex tourist cum sex expatriate can [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and moan about being a victim of thai racism and prejudice. one minute the guy is crying about the thai academics shitting on him because they didn't renew his teaching contract due to his low status as a farang in their society; the next minute he's taking pleasure in advocating compliance with racist thai attitudes towards dark skinned, wide flat nosed isaan girls. he heaps ridicule on his fellow farang for bucking against thai racial ignorance but whines when he becomes a victim of that very ignorance. i guess it is a case of the chickens coming home to roost. it is amazing how bigots cling to their beliefs even when they become victims of the same. thais will assume that any native female with a white guy, or any other foreigner, is a prostitute or in it for a visa. thais know why single male farangs come to their country. you can masquerade as an english teacher or whatever fits your fancy. they know you're there for the pussy just like all the others.