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[quote=grobo]anyone who goes to colombia and has to go to working girls must have a big problem socializing with people.
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how did you know me so well? i am not gay, so i do not want to socialize with men. i do not like beached whales, so i do not socialize with american women...disgusting!
so that is the problem and reason i go to colombia.
btw it is ok to date the young ****d girls, just not to have sex with them.
My friend (the one with the picture in a previous post) is still avaialable to go to the Marc Anthony´s concert. The other person that said would go with her had some other obligations that prevented him to come to Cali that day.
So, anyone decent that will be in Cali on July 29th that wants to be at the concert in good company, PM me.
Freeze
Grobo, i dont know where you got your information but i have not encountered any adult males married to a 15 year old child. My G/F has 4 brothers who are all married. None of them has a wife that is more than 5 years younger than they are. My g/f has a fifteen year old daughter and she is just like American teenagers. She is only in the 9th grade for Christs sake. For what i saw on my trips, it is not a cultural thing for adult men to have relationships with young girls. Shame on you for bringing the topic up on this forum.
I'm sorry to tell you , I've been travelling to Colombia for 8 years now. I speak from experience. In Colombia the man is suppose to have the right to have 7 1/2 women where the 1/2 is the wife. Having young women is the rule. I most also add that older women have younger men in general. I'm not taking any moral standpoint on it, I'm just telling how things are. If you think is awfull or whatever, what can I do about it? I thought that this site was to give information and not to criticise what other people write. I'm not saying that you have to do like Colombians, but I tell you so you know how things work. And if your reference is going to be your GF that has a 15 year old daughter, I apologise, but she is over the hill to know anything about the subject.
Grobo, i lived in Little Havana in Miami for some time. I had my first latina G/F, a Peruivan in 1979. I have traveled all over Central America. In Costa Rica men were being jailed for having sex with young girls. I have not never encounterd a latino with a wife as young as 15 or 16 years old. I know a lot of latino men have wifes and also girlfriends, but they are not 16 years old.One of my g/f sisters caught her husband with another latina and now he is sleeping on his mothers sofa. Remember Lorena Bobbitt.
Before I start I want to make it perfectly clear that I’m firmly against sex with girls under 18. My personal limit is set even higher. I won’t have sex with girls under 20, but that’s the standard I set myself.
However, it is too simple to make the fact that you know no adult males who have a wife under 16 a universal truth (what I can’t see can’t be, the earth is flat, etc).
The sad reality in Colombia is that one out of every ten adolescents has had sexual relations between the ages of 13 and 14 years. Four out of every ten adolescents have had sexual relations between the ages of 15 and 17 years. Seven out of ten have had sexual relations by the time they reach the age of 18 (International Encyclopaedia of Sexuality) and it’s common in some regions (i.a. La Guajira) for adult men to marry minors.
latina women have temper. and thats the price you have to pay. but i still say that women marry young or start having relationship at a vey young age. in my belief the people who get caught dating **** women are the ones who pay for their services in other words **** prostitutes. but to my knowledge i donna have a friend in colombia who doesn't have a relatioship with young girls.
Well here in Peru, all the Govt. and NGO surveys show that most 15 year olds are sexually active. Whether it be with boyfriends from the barrio, or some older guys, that's the way it is in many parts of Latin America. No one is recommending that mongers come down and try to hook up with 15 year olds. However one must remember that the increasingly conservative United States moral code is neither adhered to, nor respected in much of the world. We Americans have the bad habit of trying to tell everyone else how to live their lives. The majority of girls who work here in Peru are independent contractors, no pimps...no white slave trade, just trying to make some extra bucks. No mongers are ruining the girls lives forcing them into lives of decadent prostitution. They would much rather make good money with some ignorant guy from the U.S. who pays way over market value, than get it on with some local for peanuts. That said, it is against the law to have sex with anyone under 18. I imagine that no Peruvian has ever been jailed for having consensual sex with a 16 year old. (not enough room in the prisons)...but the cops would probably love to get their hands on some gringo caught in the act with a minor.
However, good morals is most certainly one of the reasons that made the US the strongest country on Earth since the Roman Empire. It will be the same reason that in the next 50 years it will end up like the Roman Empire. In my opinion.
Had a great 22 days in Cali this month.
i think we all agree that there has to be some age of consent for having relationships with younger girls. we have all saw instances of sexual predators praying on **** girls. i was just relaying my own observations. i have spent most of my time in the larger cities of colombia.
The age of consent in Colombia is 14.
Many States in the US have ages under 18, Colorado is 15. New York is 17. Indiana is 16. I do not have a complete listing of all States.
There are some Federal laws that may make it illegal for a US citizen to have sex with anyone under 18 outside of their home State. Thus if you live in Colorado, you could have sex with a 15-year-old IN COLORADO, but not in any other State or other country.
Frankly, I prefer 20 and up-more experience.
some people think that because a person is able to have sex, that makes them an adult. it's not because you can perform an act that normally only adult people practice, that you become one of them. the hell, i sometimes act like a child, and that doesn't make me a child. an **** person (below 18 by international standards) may have a body that looks like the one of an adult, may from time to time perform acts that adults perform, but that does not make them an adult.
my girlfriend is 24 years old. she is a wonderful being and is a full grown woman that i appreciate very much. that being said, even at that age, i sometimes feel that she is below 18. women in colombia, in many cases, leave their father - when they are fortunate enough to have one - just to switch to their boyfriend or husband, but the relationship is pretty much the same. they are looking for directions, they are looking for authority and a framework that will allow them to have an almost normal life. once they have that, they will full-around to push the limits as they'd do with their own father, which should result in punishment like a father would impose on them when caught. when you get that, you know how to deal with a latina, and they will be thankful for your patience and flurish to become a full grown woman one day. below 18, the hardware is not there for that to happen before many years. at a later age, you may be fortunate enough to live through it and see it happening in your lifetime, but you'll still need an emotional investment.
bottom line, if you like girls below 18, then something's off in your perception of who they are, and you need to be fixed quickly because you are dangerous. there is plenty of help available. not using that help is your shame.
freeze
you say "good morals" are the reason the US has been the strongest empire since Rome? To say I am skeptical of ANY causal link between the two is an understatement, but I should ask you to clarify what you mean by "good morals" before responding further. MANY countries use the US as an example of a country LACKING "good morals" so I am curious what YOU meant by the term.
Also, "morality and legality" are NOT coterminous (read: they do not encompass the same set of behaviors). I am staying out of the "morality" issue, as it means different things to different people, but from a LEGALITY standpoint, MANY countries (dare I say most) have an age of consent below 18. In terms of Colombia, while there are websites claiming it is 14 there are also regulations I have seen indicating that it is NOW 18 (surely due to pressure from the US). For example, there is a rule that EVERY hotel is SUPPOSED to affix a sticker to registration forms stating that sex with under 18 is illegal, but the omnly such sticker I have EVER see was when I asked to see one (and the hotel clerk picked one out of the bottom of a drawer). Another example of the amorphousness of Colombian law regards the possession of small amounts of marijuana: While I have read that this is TECHNICALLY legal (though Uribe wants to recriminilize it -again dure to US pressure), like in many European countries, I have also been told that police may try to ask bribes not to report it etc. If you are rich/powerful, it is probably fine but if you are poor/powerless . . . .
Well ... I usually try to stay out of these debates ... but in this case, I'll have to add my 2 cents worth ...
As far as maturity goes ... absolutely, without question, the latina, Colombiana, Venezolana, Salvadorania, etc ... matures much faster than the gringa ... mentally and socially speaking.
I met 2 chicas in the mall today (in Miami) visiting from Colombia ... one had a bag that said ... "te quiero Colombia" ... so I approached them and we talked about Colombia ... absolutely beautiful girls ... both physically and mentally speaking ... very nice ... I was amazed when they told me they were 15 and 16 years old.
This is just an example ... I could never talk with gringa teen-agers like that.
The culture difference between the west (US / Europe) and South America is so different ... this is OBVIOUS.
A couple with an age difference of 20 years, for example, is easily accepted in South America ... people won't look twice ... in the western world, trust me, people not only look twice but some busy-bodies like to groan about it ...
the "social police" to the rescue they believe.
Sexual relations with a chica under 18 ... no matter what country ... is another matter. That is certainly a NO-NO ... at least for me.
My opinion is this ... just because someone reaches the age of 18 ... they don't automatically become ready for a sexual relationship ... and just because someone is under that age, doesn't mean they are not ready ... BUT ... there has to be an age set for general legality and morality and 18 seems to be the universal number ... the number I personally abide by and my friends too.
My girlfriend in Colombia is 20 years old ... the oldest of 3 sisters ... from a nice, middle class family. Beautiful person ... unbelievable sometimes how much more wise and mature in many ways she is than I am ... I'm a lucky dude for sure.
Really the bottom line is ... enjoy life ... enjoy Colombia ... South America ... where ever ... but don't hurt anyone ... leave the minors alone ... there are plenty of 18+ years chicas.
Suerte!
Sorry to add my 2 centavos, Basically I would have to agree with both Surfer and Ricker, with one caveat.
Although the age of consent rules may vary from country to country or even province to province they usually have one thing in common.
If the girl is under the age of 18, then the male can only be 4-5 years older.
Since this does not apply to most of us old mongers here, I would strongly advise that we use 18 at a minimum the world over.
My wife is 24 and has two twin sisters 17. They are beautiful/virgins but are no where near ready to have a sexual relationship due to there emotional imaturity. My wife on the other hand was much more mature at the same age.
As far as relationships with women 20-30 years younger, Here in Lima it is the norm for gringos. I am 27 years older then my wife and it is only the tourists that stare at us.
Also, on the subject of cheating. You can be damn sure a latina who did not marry for money will never put up with it. If she catches your Gringo ass there will be a line Latino men outside your bedroom door when you get home.
Just MHO,
LB