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[QUOTE=Barko]Hey Guido88,

Don't you feel that Moscow's economic explosion had more to do with the rapidly bloated 'localized' pricing than did visiting mongers overpaying themselves into an upward spiral? Controlling a mass of suddenly rich locals ready to blow their money on ho's every night is impossible. This could happen anywhere though, even Bangkok. (The Thais are bragging their brains out about how much they are paying for everything right now, and making rooster crows over THEIR OWN super hot economy. Never a good sign.)

Thai local mongering venues seem to be holding prices steady at the moment, and the reality is Thai. Thai P4P represents over 90% of the market. (No, we are not talking soapies, oilies or bars, more on that at some point in the future.)

"It's also our prerogative to point this out that you are overpaying for the local market. " This simple statement is perfection, thank you Guido88.

My own way of negotiating is dependent on the location. At bars I do a drawdown rate of 20%, then normally award the original asking price by way of tip. I keep the original price and the amount of the tip as completely separate entities. If the girl provides an exceptionally fun and sexy experience, I tip very well, but again, I keep the amount of the tip in specific terms. I see discos and late night clubs as an anomaly. I feel that the entire scene is a con, built around what pricepoint the customer will allow himself to be seduced to. I normally get freebies in multiples at discos, but generally I have to admit that probably costs more and again, generally, it isn't very good sex, (chicks very sexy and super hot for about 20 minutes, cum, fall asleep for a couple of hours, then split = Thai style, but I have to blame a good part of this on the amount of alcohol consumed.) I know others that have paid 6, 000 to 8, 000+ Baht at discos without caring a whit. I don't feel that those guys are pushing prices up across the board at all, in their own sphere possibly, yes, but not in general.

Much to say on this subject.

Again, I feel that a raise in pricing is based more on local economy allowances rather than a what a few suckers tell themselves what they can afford compared to their own pricing at home.[/QUOTE]


Hey Barko

To answer your question.

From what I observed it was the realization by the girls and their pimps (Cops) that clients would pay any price for the prime light skinned women RU has to offer. Did not matter how ridicules the $ the girls quoted some fool would pay.

The other change I saw is that service started to slip hard.

The locals were not overpaying. The ratio of single women to men in Moscow makes it pretty easy for a local man with a few rubles to score free pussy. Only the mongers and scores of visiting businessmen wanting to satisfy the RU stunner fantasy are shelling out the big cash.

Identical pricing arguments on the RU ISG board regarding pricing 2003-2006. Now the consensus in Moscow in no longer a monger's paradise unless he wants to spend $500-1,000 a night.

I see many similarities between Moscow then and BKK now.

Guido88

It appears to me the seminal purpose of this board, the exchange of information, for the most part has broken down. I respect self-expression as much as the next guy, however, it appears the primary purpose of this board has morphed into just that. Add to that a rude, unprofessional e mail from the administrator.

I seriously doubt I would even renew next year.


[QUOTE=Run Mann]For whatever its worth, I wholeheartedly agree with you. The points you outlined are logically coherent and if implemented your suggestion would benefit the forum membership. However, I fear you may be up against it so to speak in terms of getting Admin to agree to your recommendation for a variety of reasons not even worth discussing. The price police have been on this board ineffectively excoriating members for years for violating the so call market rate. Some people are happiest when they are complaining a la Andy Rooney and this is an easy issue to complain about.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bolthead]I was wondering if there are any places in BKK that have model-type girls available. I suppose I've been spending lots of time with thai (kind of) family and have picked up on their tastes in women: fair skinned, long-limbed model types.

In the Chonburi area they tell me of two places the thai guys go to: Happy World and Galaxy. I haven't been there but maybe someone can describe what those places are like? And do they have anything similaer in BKK (pick a girl, spend an hour or more with her, all in one building)[/QUOTE]

One option would be Pegasus. Advise that you search here and read about it, and perhaps google as well. Beware that it is not cheap - could be considered expensive even by many Western standards.

The G-clubs have plenty of girls like that, but they aren't necessarily available (takes some schmoozing) and definitely won't be available in the joint, within an hour. So I don't think that's what you are looking for, but if you are in BKK for any extended period of time they may be worth checking out. I've had a great time several times at Pent and Moritz (there are many others as well. Best to have a membership or go with someone who does.)

People also talk about the Rachada soapies (Poseidon, Amsterdam, Caesars, and a host of others). See this link for some info and then do some searches. Tons of info available here about them.

[url]http://www.sukhumvit-psycho.com/massage/soapy-massage/[/url]

I went to a place in Pattaya once...forgot the name, but something to do with Models or similar. It's sort of near the Hard Rock hotel (or in that direction), if I recall correctly. Shit, come to think of it, I'm not even certain it wasn't Phuket and not Pattaya, but I can find out if you need. Anyway, take out was 10,000 to 20,000 baht there. Girls were model level, but quite frankly I've seen just as good looking ones in gogos in Pattaya.

Good luck and keep us posted. I'd like to know more about these kind of options too.

-B-

Tried Aviva on Soi 8 again. Didn't request but got Da again. Had no problem with that - I had planned on asking for her anyway but they just called her out immediately after I checked in. Service was A+ as before. Did FS this time. It was really fun, her all oiled up and sliding all over me.

This place gets repeatedly good reviews (a few bad ones) and I can see why. I find it convenient, comfortable, and nonchalant. The rooms are drab and this time the shower was a bit smelly, but overall fine for what it is (this is no Rachada-style place and doesn't aim to be).

The prices at Aviva are:

500 for HJ
1000 for BJ and or "body to body" massage
1500 for FS

Plus 400 baht for 1 hour oil massage.

I tipped Da and additional 200 each time I've been there. Don't think that's required, but certainly was appreciated.

-B-

[QUOTE=Guido88]Hey Barko

To answer your question.

From what I observed it was the realization by the girls and their pimps (Cops) that clients would pay any price for the prime light skinned women RU has to offer. Did not matter how ridicules the $ the girls quoted some fool would pay.

The other change I saw is that service started to slip hard.

The locals were not overpaying. The ratio of single women to men in Moscow makes it pretty easy for a local man with a few rubles to score free pussy. Only the mongers and scores of visiting businessmen wanting to satisfy the RU stunner fantasy are shelling out the big cash.

Identical pricing arguments on the RU ISG board regarding pricing 2003-2006. Now the consensus in Moscow in no longer a monger's paradise unless he wants to spend $500-1,000 a night.

I see many similarities between Moscow then and BKK now.

Guido88[/QUOTE]Observation much appreciated and duly noted, thanks! I had my own perceptions based solely on what I had read in the papers & online, heard from friends working in Moscow, then some really negative stuff said in Hungary a couple of years ago.

Regarding local Bangkok Thai venues, they are still doing 1500ST and 2000LT, straight up, and no one is talking anything other than that at the moment. Will watch for changes and rumours thereof, and if there ARE creeping price changes, will see how they are actually accepted in Bangkok. I'll report anything I get.

I did see a well dressed Japanese guy at a crowded local downbeat Bangkok Thai hangout the other night, he was sitting alone, speaking Japanese & broken English, and offering vast amounts of money to the chicks to sit with him. (DAR, damn average raiser.) Needless to say, he was seriously out of place (this ain't Thaniya) and obviously didn't know how to play the mamasan flirt game, (hell, it's only freakin' EVERYTHING!) So, the heretofore mentioned Japanese dude sat hopelessly alone for most of the evening. The girls would come and go, sure, but would never actually sit with him for any length of time. (Who knows what the guy was really up to?) Meanwhile, the drunk Thais were passing the chicks around like a pack of Lucky Strikes on poker night, (and making very nasty jokes about Khun Yeepoon that I dared not to laugh at.) There's a hell of a lot more to the deal than just money in the real Thai mongering world, a lot more.

Let's see if local mongering money bubbles start to float in LOS. As far as I can see, they haven't changed and aren't going to for a while, not yet anyway! :D

[QUOTE=Barko]Observation much appreciated and duly noted, thanks! I had my own perceptions based solely on what I had read in the papers & online, heard from friends working in Moscow, then some really negative stuff said in Hungary a couple of years ago.

Regarding local Bangkok Thai venues, they are still doing 1500ST and 2000LT, straight up, and no one is talking anything other than that at the moment. Will watch for changes and rumors thereof, and if there ARE creeping price changes, will see how they are actually accepted in Bangkok. I'll report anything I get.

I did see a well dressed Japanese guy at a crowded local downbeat Bangkok Thai hangout the other night, he was sitting alone, speaking Japanese & broken English, and offering vast amounts of money to the chicks to sit with him. (DAR, damn average raiser.) Needless to say, he was seriously out of place (this ain't Thaniya) and obviously didn't know how to play the mamasan flirt game, (hell, it's only freakin' EVERYTHING!) So, the heretofore mentioned Japanese dude sat hopelessly alone for most of the evening. The girls would come and go, sure, but would never actually sit with him for any length of time. (Who knows what the guy was really up to?) Meanwhile, the drunk Thais were passing the chicks around like a pack of Lucky Strikes on poker night, (and making very nasty jokes about Khun Yeepoon that I dared not to laugh at.) There's a hell of a lot more to the deal than just money in the real Thai mongering world, a lot more.

Let's see if local mongering money bubbles start to float in LOS. As far as I can see, they haven't changed and aren't going to for a while, not yet anyway! :D[/QUOTE]

Barko

There is some old joke about having a handfuls of $100 bills and not being able to get laid in a w.horehouse.

If a man cant get laid in BKK he either needs to quit or switch teams.

Guido88

Can anyone please tell me the name of the great restaurant above Foodland.
I believe it is on Soi 7. Sorry if I put this in the wrong place, didn't see a section for restaurants.

Cactus J

Anyone is free to overpay (eventually hoping to get better service, which in my view is not necessary linked to overpaying...), of course!

However one of the main mission of this board is to provide reliable information to people who are not well informed. They need to get a notion of what is a fair standard price (a price stops to be fair when the girl doesn't want to go with you again at that price, that's my definition).
That's why I tend to recall what I consider a fair price when I see some posts which may lead partially informed readers to think that this (overpaid) price may be the standard price.
Gosh! I'm not sure what I wrote is understandable
In short:
overpay: no problem
(Unintentionally) leading other readers to think that it's a standard price: problem

[QUOTE=El Frances]Anyone is free to overpay (eventually hoping to get better service, which in my view is not necessary linked to overpaying...), of course!

However one of the main mission of this board is to provide reliable information to people who are not well informed. They need to get a notion of what is a fair standard price (a price stops to be fair when the girl doesn't want to go with you again at that price, that's my definition).
......
In short:
overpay: no problem
(Unintentionally) leading other readers to think that it's a standard price: problem[/QUOTE]
somehow well said!
Worth more than 2 cents (unless this is read as "overpaying" LOL)

Here is how I see it,
if a middle level girl at XXX gogo asks and gets 2000b ST and gets it again and again, then the other middle range girls will ask the same and the 9s-10s will ask more because they consider themselves "better"
It does not take long for the GoGo TomTom drums to tell the rest of the BGs in that bar and then it spreads to other bars,

a one time hit will not get the TomTom drums going, but if it becomes a trend then everyone will know,

Same for Biergarden , Nana Parking lot etc

I have had a girl brag I gave her 3000b ST,(it was 1000B) then the rest of her BG friends all wanted the same :(
BG lie, DOOH or better call it brag - gossip as they really have nothing else to do waiting for customers , and even if they got more for doing "extras" that part will probably not get into the BGs story.

Also some girls will tell you a stupid price because they do NOT want to go with you. its their way of saving face, you face as much as anything !

So figure out what the normal price is , agree with it before you head to the room, maybe even offer extra if she is real good, and give her an incentive to try harder , but giving a Tip after the fact does not get you better service (because the deed has already been done) unless she knows when you start that she can earn more by working harder.

Now back to our usual programming......

BK

Hope some experienced board members can help me out with a Trusted Pharmacy to buy Cialis & Kamagra around Nana?

I will be arriving in BKK September 9th, any board members want to go prowling, I always appreciate the company!

Silombk

[QUOTE=Run Mann]Eden Club on Soi 7/1

[url]http://www.bkk-gui.de/ede_eng_t.html[/url][/QUOTE]Thank you so much!

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]The two nights I went to each place they were jammed (random selection of nights, some weekend and some Monday, Sunday, etc.) Climax seems to get busy after midnight or so, whereas Bossy really starts to pick up around 3am...though not exactly quiet at 1:30am. Had a blast every time in both places, though at times it was so jammed that it was a bit hard to move around.

The 4 girls from these places (only one discussed in advance):

Climax 1 - 3000 LT, including all of the next day, +2000 tip, +shopping +dinner together at Long Table (I don't consider that part of her payment but rather part of her service.) I know this girl from prior trips and she's got a porn star body and tons of high end clients. She never asks for money specifically so I have no idea what she would be willing to go for, but this is the amount I wanted to pay.

Climax 2 - 2000 LT, plus ~300 baht of shopping on Suk and cheap thai food lunch the next day. Great time, not sure why I only gave her 2000 other than that was just what I had in my wallet (besides a few hundreds.)

Bossy 1 - 2000 ST, fun girl but I was beat. Gave her 100 baht for taxi as well.

Bossy 2 - 7000 LT. Amazing girl, exactly my type, and did a whole lot of "extras" for the extra money. She only goes clubbing a couple times a month and has a regular job, but the job is very flexible as her friend is her boss and her friend and I got along really well. Consequently, she's available to me now 24/7, which I also like and consider part of what I'm paying for.

That spams a pretty wide range of prices at only two places. On other visits in the past I've been quoted between 1000 ST and 10,000 LT, so it seems my experiences fall within the "normal" range. My feeling overall is that both these places have devoted pros and semi-pros there, the semi's may even go for free with some people, but overall the devoted pros are probably more often than not the better value, whereas the semi's are usually there partying with their friends and, in my experience, a lot more fun to pick up (at any price.).

YMMV.

-B-[/QUOTE]

I've been reading your posts about pricing, and on one hand I agree that the odd big spender and over payer dosn't ruin the market, there will always be these guys happy to pay more than needed. But If more and more mongers keep paying higher prices then the new set price rises simple.

I can think back only 5 years ago In NEP, back then I could of BF just about any dancer I fancied, most wouldn't of asked how much, and none would expect more than the LT rate of 2k, now you have bars like Rainbow quoting 2k ST, that's a joke, only last year I was still able to take Rainbow dancers for 1500 ST or 2000 LT, sure the first quote from them was 2k ST 4k LT, but If you show them you are cool and know the score, helps too If you speak some thai, the price magically drops, ok not every single gogo diva will drop, but a hell of a lot will, as others say you need to negotiate, It's the Thai way, unlike tipping.

I'm amazed you paid 7k to a Bossy girl!!!! That's just amazing, the only time I paid 7k LT In Bkk was with a hot Russian FL @ Cm2, but to be honest that's a totally different market, I bet she Is available to you 24/7 at those rates lol.

since this price discussion came up, and i have way too much time on my hands anyway, i decided to check my daily journal for pooying prices i paid in bkk in october 2006 when i first came to thailand.

a two hour oily massage at angel’s on soi 24, with a pretty 25 year old, was 800b to the shop and 1500b to the lady, including 2 pops, lots of dfk, daty, multiple positions and fake moans.

a thoroughly satisfying bbbj at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s was 700b with a hard working enthusiastic plain jane.

a 1.5 hours soapy massage at malibu with a 21 year old cutie fishbowl girl was 1800b all in to the shop for 2 pops of mediocre service. there was no massage and at one point the cutie turned on tv to watch thai soap opera’s. of course, i had none of that and she got no tip.

a very lovely young nana plaza rainbow 4 go-go girl agreed to st for 1000b after first quoting 2000b and gave me great gfe with 1 satisfying pop.

after 3 days in bkk, it was off to pattaya, where 90% of the high end go-go girls were going happily then for 600b barfine and 1000b st. the other 10% gladly went for 1500. today, they often quote 2000b st but will go for 1500. many will still go for 1000, however prices have risen. negotiation almost always works with them.

soi 6 girls – the pretty ones – went for 500b st in 2006 – 200b for the room upstairs and most gave you 2 pops of kinky sex for that. now the average girls want no less than 700b for one pop and the rooms are now 300b. one pretty older girl would take no less than 1000. i declined.

beach road girls of the highest class would always be happy with 500b in 2006, and many would take less. now the grannies, fatties, and uglies want 500b and the cuties are asking 700-1000b st.

most beer bar girls expected 500b st. a few demanded 1000b and barfines were 200-300b.

[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s girls were 700b and are still 700b.

oily massages could be had for 1 hour @ 300b + 200b for happy hj ending. now the price for the massage is the same but the girls want 300b for the hj. foot massages even now can be had for 150b/hr and even as low as 100b in some venues i’m told.

guess the big spenders have not infiltrated the foot massage market yet.

in one of my first pattaya thread reports, i was crowing on about getting a haircut for 200b somewhere, which was about half the cost i paid in the us. some guy on this board … i think it was dingy … told me i was an idiot for paying that much … i could have had it for 50b on soi buakhow. far from feeling disparaged, i thanked dingy, and am still receiving great haircuts on soi buakhow at 60b/job.

so you see, bonzo, we all overpay from time to time, and it’s nice to know that there are a few watchdogs on the board to set us straight when we fuck up. they should be thanked imho – not banned.

regards,
daddy

[QUOTE=Silombk]Hope some experienced board members can help me out with a Trusted Pharmacy to buy Cialis & Kamagra around Nana?

I will be arriving in BKK September 9th, any board members want to go prowling, I always appreciate the company!

Silombk[/QUOTE]

One place I wouldn't go is the pharmacy on Soi 33 near the 7/11. Bought some Cialis from there in May. I have just opened it only to discover that the box had already been opened and the pills on the inside have obviously been tampered with. A friend of mine had enough guts to try one and reported that it was clearly a fake as it had no impact on his performance.

I know I should have checked when I was in the store, but little brain in my cock with a few beers got the better of the bigger brain in the head.

Avoid.

Styk