American Politics

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2772026]Yeah, but it is kind of fun to predict the moronic responses. You can goad PVM into the racist crap pretty easily. Of course, he ignores racism against whites and in fact goes along with it which means he is racist. [URL]https://reason.com/2021/03/29/basic-income-programs-in-marin-county-and-oakland-exclude-white-people-is-that-legal/[/URL].

Isn't the whole point of racism not looking at people as a group and to get to know them as individuals when determining their worth? Again, PVM, Tooms, and Spidy are the most prejudiced people there are against people who vote Republican.

Then you have these idiots and their claims Republicans are for tax cuts for the rich. Here is what a Democratic senator made sure was put into law [URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/tax-provision-cut-rich-investors-kyrsten-sinema-2022-8:[/URL].

[b]Sen. Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona on Thursday agreed to back the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022, meaning the bill had gained support from all 50 Democrats in the US Senate.[/b]

Her cooperation came with the removal of a carried-interest tax provision, a small portion of the bill that targeted a tax break for the wealthy.

It represents a momentary win for some of the richest Americans. The provision had targeted a loophole that can be used to reduce taxes for hedge fund managers and other people who manage money for a living. When fund managers make money for their clients through their investments, they receive a cut of those profits. They're allowed to classify that payment as capital gains, which are subject to lower tax rates than those for salary paychecks and bonuses. With the removal of the provision, fund managers have avoided restrictions that would've made it harder for them to keep to keep paying the same low tax rates on their income.

[b]You can predict the responses: Republicans are even worse, they are more racist ETC but once again, neither of these stories is even about Republicans.[/b]

And you know the stuff about Dems and the rich? Here are where some of the richest companies in the world give their money party wise: [URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/02/most-liberal-tech-companies-ranked-by-employee-donations.html[/URL].

The funny part is when you watch the videos of these tech employees at "work". This is a good one: [URL]https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1585395267552960512[/URL].

So Musk fires 85% of the people at Twitter, and the viewership goes up, and I see nothing change on the site. And of course, so much of that Covid stimulus money found its way into tech.

And if you follow the Twitter files released by the most independent journalists there are, you will see the FBI actively censoring Republican accounts. So when Democrats talk about freedom of speech, that means they should be able to speak freely but it is okay if everyone else is censored. It is just like Democrats being unable to be racists when they are putting forth racist policies. This is 1984 doublespeak in action.

The funny part though is when it comes to math. Numbers do not care about politics and the funny part is the amount of money in the system is being vacuumed out. The idea you can just print money and not have inflation has been shown to be trashed. It was amazing that this was even a thing.

Tooms has already blamed Republicans of course. Trump and Biden's (but it is really Trump's per Tooms) Powell are responsible for his down year, but he is not seen anything yet. So much of that money in crypto, real estate, and the stock market has gone poof. And the rest of the world has been hit not just by horrible inflation but the decreased purchasing power of the dollar. How do you make record profits when so much money has been taken out of the system?

I was watching these guys talking inflation and predicted that inflation could be negative at the end of the year, and I laughed and thought "Yeah, it could be. " Of course, that would be after a recession that shattered demand.

The funny thing this year has been the market reacting like Dems to the Fed. It is like the Fed is saying "No, we are not giving you anymore handouts. " Then there is a smidgen of data suggesting the Fed will quit raising rates (I. E. Handing the market cheap money) and the market rallies and says, "We know you like us Jay Powell and will give us more money" and he has a press conference and says "No we are not" and then the market ignores him and says, "Well, Powell really did not mean it. ".

It is like thanking Senator Sinema for being a good Democrat (I know she is an independent now as if that matters) and taxing the rich. Sinema and Powell are really on our side, dontchaknow.

Lately then I have just been buying and selling SQQQ with these moves. I buy it in the low to mid 40's and sell half in the high 50's and low 60's. The Nasdaq is down 30% and is still too expensive. Taking the other side of the bets of the crazy Democratic douches has been very profitable. I do not recall ever losing when I bet against insane.

So it is easy to be a Democratic douche when the music is playing and wine is flowing, but when it stops, that is when there will be change, and it has paid well to be a Democratic douche here lately.

For example, that crazy censorship witch at Twitter was getting $17 million a year, but she is out of work now.[/QUOTE]Krysten Sinema is not a Democrat. As well as a couple of other Senators who voted for the final bill.

And how does the fact that ALL of the other 50 Senators did absolutely nothing for their taxpayer-funded paycheck and did not support the tax on the wealthy either give them a pass on what was in the bill? Since when?

Oh, by the way, Democratic voters drive and produce the vast majority of the USA economy, accounting for 70% of the country's entire GDP by 2020.

And that is up from 64% when Hillary won the most votes in 2016:

[B]Democratic counties represent 70% of U.S. GDP, 2020 election shows[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/10/election-2020-democrats-republicans-economy.html[/URL]

[QUOTE][b]KEY POINTS[/b]
The 2020 elections, chaotic and marked by races too close to call, have nonetheless reaffirmed that, at least in Washington, the two parties now speak for markedly different segments of the U.S. economy.

President Donald Trump carried 2,497 counties across the country that together generate 29% of the American economy, according to a new study by the Brookings Institution.

President-elect Joe Biden won 477 counties that together generate 70% of U.S. GDP.

These differences, if they persist or worsen, could result in partisan gridlock for years to come, a researcher wrote.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/11/09/biden-voting-counties-equal-70-of-americas-economy-what-does-this-mean-for-the-nations-political-economic-divide/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY[/URL]

So whatever Repubs, Pro Repub Bothsiders, Pro Repub Neithersiders or whatever think they know about a complex national economy like that of the USA is practically irrelevant.

[QUOTE=Elvis;2772026] "Isn't the whole point of racism not looking at people as a group and to get to know them as individuals when determining their worth? Again, PVM, Tooms, and Spidy are the most prejudiced people there are against people who vote Republican. ... "[/QUOTE]

Elvis, If your going to make up false claims and project any such baises, bigotry, prejudices, hate speech, name calling, slurs and slander on other BMs, it would behoove you to also provide
examples/proof of said scurrilous infractions, from the accused BMs.

But no doubt and true to form, much like your QAnon\Repub election denying brethren, who continually make up false claims about election fraud by the Dems, without proof and substantiated evidential facts, you [b]only serve to incriminate yourself[/b] of the very thing you are accusing other of being.

[u]Just for the Record:[/u]
For the record, when you say [i]"...there are against people who vote Republican."[/i], it couldn't be further from the truth. Unlike the Repubs, who insidiously and maniacally plot to subvert, suppress and deny Americans the right to vote, I love Americans who get out and vote, period.

What now? You lost me on so many levels with, [i]"Again, PVM, Tooms, and Spidy are the most prejudiced people..."[/i]. Really? Compared to whom? How would you know? Is Tiny 12, really supposed to believe that?

Just because we (Dems) provide opposing arguments, counterpoints and disagree with (what I often consider, IMHO) political Repub rhetoric or right-wing dogma, you call us [i]"the most prejudiced
people"[/i] and [b]"there are against people who vote Republican."[/b]Really!? Is that really what you think?

[u]Just to be clear:[/u]
[b]TO BE CLEAR[/b], I don't care (or give a flying f#cK,), if you vote for the Dems, [b]the Repubs[/b], or for the Independents. [u]I care about[/u] the ease of access, available, seamless and uncomplicated voting; and of course, [b]the right for ALL eligible Americans to VOTE![/b] PERIOD!!!

[b]TO BE CLEAR[/b], I'm HERE to argue the governing politics and policies of Dems and Repub political parties, or politics from the World at large, as it my pertain to the US. And of course those politicians, placed in office to "dutifully", "responsibly" and with earnest "accountability", deemed to carry out and serve the will of their respective constituencies.

[b]TO BE CLEAR[/b], I'm mostly "against" the boneheaded, knucklehead, wrongheaded, misguided, bias, unfair, unjust, discriminatory and partisan policies and laws that go against rights, wishes of the majority of Americans, be it Dems or Repubs. It just so happens, Repubs fall into this category more often than not.

[b]TO BE CLEAR[/b], while I suspect YOU, Elvis, may take the discussion here personally, I DO NOT! ...IT'S NOT PERSONAL for me! (Truth be told, it actually been fun, time permitted!)

[b]TO BE CLEAR[/b], you continue to be you. I wouldn't have it any other way. Continue to call me names, if that makes you sleep better at nights, as I'm a big-boy and can take it (figuratively speaking). [u]But don't project your biases, bigotry or prejudices on me[/u], without providing examples of me committing said infractions.

[b]TO BE CLEAR[/b], (although you and Tiny 12 may think otherwise), it's not a "Dems good" and "Repubs bad" thing either. I just happen to think and believe, by and large, Dems do a way better job in office, servicing the needs of most Americans, than when Repubs are in office. Heck, if Repubs made better polices and stood for more just & equal rights and laws for Americans, I'd vote Red.

[b]TO BE CLEAR[/b], (for [b]Tiny 12[/b] and other BMs reading this), Elvis, I know you posted/responded to Tiny 12, but I just wanted to MAKE IT CLEAR, I am not attacking Tiny 12. Tiny 12 has always been respectful in his posts (and has made his arguments, [i]without[/i] the "D-bag" type name calling and childish antics, towards other BMs) and has always pretty much, stuck to providing good counterpoints to the topics of political discussion.

Clear enough?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2771953]Your response seems to be of a guy with a lack of simple math skills. I'll post the link, timeline and the very first debunked myth about it again, which you seem to have swallowed hook, line and sinker all along:

[B]Interstate Highway System - The Myths.
Myth #1:
President Eisenhower conceived the Interstate System.[/B]

[URL]https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/interstate/interstatemyths.cfm[/URL]

This time around I highlighted in [B]Bold[/B] the dates of its conception and initial legislation, all of which pre-date Eisenhower's election, and the statement flat out debunking that often repeated myth about it being Eisenhower's idea, conception, lifelong dream, whim, whatever..[/QUOTE]You can visit the same site and get a different spin on the history. If you visit the same site you listed but go a little further and look under featured for Ike's Interstate at 50 you will get a different spin.

[URL]https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/interstate/history.cfm[/URL] but you need to type it.

This is the perfect example of why sources, in this case the same one, are worthless. You can look and find a source to back up whatever.

Funny about tee time. Definitely agree on that one.

P.S: I was a math wiz in my much younger days and math has nothing to do with this discussion. You took my original post the wrong way and started with the wise ass remarks and I followed with same. Enough said about everything.

Ps2: same hook, line and sinker that you swallowed.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2772288]Elvis, If your going to make up false claims and project any such baises, bigotry, prejudices, hate speech, name calling, slurs and slander on other BMs, it would behoove you to also provide
examples/proof of said scurrilous infractions, from the accused BMs.[/QUOTE]LOL. False claims? You yourself have called Trump the devil so much that you think you are stating a fact instead of displaying how arrogant you are. When you call a president the devil, you are calling him evil and all his 75 million supporters at worst evil and at best stupid.

So sorry, Spidy, the only thing less surprising than your outrage is how clueless you are about yourself. You are acting like a KKK member offended for being called a racist.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2772242]Krysten Sinema is not a Democrat.[/QUOTE]She was when she voted on this bill and would have not had unless it had a provision for protecting the rich. If you are not outright lying, at the very least you are being deceptive. You have a Democrat making sure the rich did not pay higher taxes which is what you Democratic douches are supposedly so against.

And as you say, the Democrats are the rich, and we got a first hand look at where that Covid stimulus money was going in the Twitter files.

While regular businesses with hard working people were shut down, we saw the gobs of money tossed to the Twitter censors and their FBI overloads. That was "essential" labor donchaknow.

And I know that Dems are richer than Republicans because the new game is taking over government and making sure government money flows to the companies which support the Democrats. I repeat, look at where the stimulus money went and who it benefitted the most.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2772242]So whatever Repubs, Pro Repub Bothsiders, Pro Repub Neithersiders or whatever think they know about a complex national economy like that of the USA is practically irrelevant.[/QUOTE]And how is that portfolio doing Tooms since April when I called you out on your holding stocks when the Fed was raising rates?

Oh, yeah, I forgot. You do not check it. It is probably doing great.

2023 cannot be any worse. I mean, look who is in office right?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2772565]She was when she voted on this bill and would have not had unless it had a provision for protecting the rich. If you are not outright lying, at the very least you are being deceptive. You have a Democrat making sure the rich did not pay higher taxes which is what you Democratic douches are supposedly so against.

And as you say, the Democrats are the rich, and we got a first hand look at where that Covid stimulus money was going in the Twitter files.

While regular businesses with hard working people were shut down, we saw the gobs of money tossed to the Twitter censors and their FBI overloads. That was "essential" labor donchaknow.

And I know that Dems are richer than Republicans because the new game is taking over government and making sure government money flows to the companies which support the Democrats. I repeat, look at where the stimulus money went and who it benefitted the most.

And how is that portfolio doing Tooms since April when I called you out on your holding stocks when the Fed was raising rates?

Oh, yeah, I forgot. You do not check it. It is probably doing great.

2023 cannot be any worse. I mean, look who is in office right?[/QUOTE]Sinema was a DINO at the time. Now she is openly not a Democrat. You either hadn't been informed about the truth of it, deceptively stated or outright lied that she IS a Democrat.

As a DINO, she voted to help the wealthy get wealthier at the great expense of everyone else just like ALL of the Repub Senators did.

My portfolio is doing fine without my hourly, daily, weekly or monthly attention, thanks.

How was your portfolio doing at this same point in Trump's presidency when you apparently didn't short the market at his election or inauguration yet it is likely the stock market will have done better by now under Biden than it did under Trump?

Maybe your trusted formula actually should have been based on which Party won the White House rather than that yield curve thingy. It would have worked out better for you at this point in each of the two most recent presidencies. And it would have worked out much, much, much better for you if you had done it that way in the previous 5-6 presidencies!

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2772454]You can visit the same site and get a different spin on the history. If you visit the same site you listed but go a little further and look under featured for Ike's Interstate at 50 you will get a different spin.

[URL]https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/interstate/history.cfm[/URL] but you need to type it.

This is the perfect example of why sources, in this case the same one, are worthless. You can look and find a source to back up whatever.

Funny about tee time. Definitely agree on that one.

P.S: I was a math wiz in my much younger days and math has nothing to do with this discussion. You took my original post the wrong way and started with the wise ass remarks and I followed with same. Enough said about everything.

Ps2: same hook, line and sinker that you swallowed.[/QUOTE]My source was the Federal Highway Administration. I don't think you will find them contradicting the myths they took the extraordinary time and effort to debunk that you have bought all these years elsewhere in that source.

Clearly, they were so weary of hearing the myths you repeated here repeated everywhere for so many decades that they decided to devote an entire section of their site to debunking them and officially set the record straight once and for all.

LOL. Whenever the topic of "What meaningful accomplishment have Repubs done for America in the past 20,30, 50 or 100 years" comes up, some poor ill-informed pro-Repub soul inevitably races to that "Eisenhower gave us the Interstate Highway System" myth.

But he didn't.

Oh, no doubt that mythical spin on it probably began in 1956, almost 20 years after the hard legislative work and planning began, just to make it look like some great Ike idea and accomplishment. Mainstream Media were no less pro Repub then than they are now.

The Federal Highway Administration simply got sick of being asked about it so often to settle bar bets or whatever that they finally had to include the fully debunking of that myth as well as a couple of others you tried to float here right on their website.

And, mind you, if you scroll down that page you will see the information was updated in 2019. That was a time when the latest Repub in the White House had already flushed Trillions down the shitter with nothing but fewer jobs created and zero economic gain to show for it. And it was also an administration chock full of the most and biggest liars in USA potus administration history.

So if there was ever a time when Repubs could have gotten into the government data bases to re-write and revise history, twist and spin it to make it at least appear that, yep, once upon a time in the past 100 years a Repub really did do something meaningful for America, that was the time for it.

But they couldn't.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2772561]LOL. False claims? You yourself have called Trump the devil so much that you think you are stating a fact instead of displaying how arrogant you are. When you call a president the devil, you are calling him evil and all his 75 million supporters at worst evil and at best stupid. ... [/QUOTE]

Classic Elvis, projection, false equivalencies and wrongheaded thinking. Elvis logic, at its best (or should I say worst).

But just for [b]fun, laughs[/b] and [b]giggles[/b], let's follow Elvis' unhinged logic for a moment, down the rabbit hole.

Notice, that in the magical world of Elvis logic, he and the 75 million supports bleed "orange" and anything negatively said in the media, about Agent Orange, (for reasons unknown) is internalize and projected on one's self, and seen as a real and a personal affront.

So since Donnie [b]"the devil"[/b] Dummkopf (aka.Trump, aka.Agent Orange) has behaved very badly and has been called out by the media, for such transgressions, according Elvis' logic, by extension, that would make him and the the 75 million supporters (which are really only just temporary voters), personified as being:

• Lairs
• Pussy Grabbers
• Tax cheats
• Grifter
• Losers
• the Orange Baboons
• Donnie Dumbasses
• Putin's Puppets
• Racists
• Incompetent
• Clowns
• Narcissists
• Bullies
• Ignorant
• Idiots

Welcome to the political magical world of Elvis logic. No political "fairy dust" necessary, to conjure up delusions of MAGA self-loathing!

[b]Donald Trump called ‘the devil’ by Mexican economic minister[/b]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/border/2016/09/22/mexicos-economy-minister-calls-trump-devil-nafta-stance/ [/URL]
[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/mexico-devil-talk-trump-ildefonso-guajardo-villarreal-immigrants-deportation-501375 [/URL]

According to Elvis logic, all Mexicans, are now racists? Perhaps you shouldn't monger there anymore?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2771053]Well, it would be so much easier for Spidy and the rest of us to do that if only Repubs would for the love of gawd stop producing the worst results in history whenever the American electorate is careless, distracted, suckered or dumb enough to give them so much as a Red Tinkle opportunity to do it.

Somewhere around Reagan's first horrific term as potus, Repubs simply gave up trying to produce anything but their usual historic crap results while also deciding it would be easier and more politically rewarding for them to devote all their time trolling Dems and trying to thwart consistently superior Dem results instead. You know, to "own the libs".

They have essentially been running election campaigns on that "platform" ever since. And, post-1988, that "platform" has pretty much been a bust for them in terms of winning the most votes in presidential races. Which is obviously a big reason they then had to add rigging, cheating, suppression of likely Dem votes, violent, cop-killing insurrections, attempts to overturn free and fair elections and overthrow American democracy to their "own the libs" election campaign strategy.

Hey, maybe a few Trump Digital Trading Card gifts will win us over and we'll stop rankling you with the truth about "Repubs bad, Dems good. ".[/QUOTE]So true!

This reminds me of something funny, I heard recently. Someone asked, what's with the QAnon/Repubs, weird obsession with [b]"secure metal boxes/containers"[/b]?

So, whether it's Postmaster General Louis DeJoy, wanting to removing mailboxes around the country, or various red/swing states removing and banning drop-off boxes or QAnon/MAGA vigilante creepy stalker drop-box watchers, the Repubs, look even more half-witted and crazy, as they demonize and blame those bad "secure metal boxes" for their election loses and their voting numbers.

It is just so comically hilarious, as they continually sell the idea of the bad "metal boxes" ploy, to their gullible base, as means to avoid the hard truths & real problems within the party.

Instead of asking the tough questions: ie.

• Did you run a good candidate?
• Did you properly vet your candidate?
• Did you put forth good ideas, polices and/or messages?
• Did you run a good campaign?
• Was your campaign relevant/specific the needs your constituency or just more Trump election denial rhetoric?
• Did you talk to your constituency?
• Are we putting out a product that a majority of Americans want? Or just more hard line Repub dogma?

And finally, if blaming those bad "metal boxes", isn't enough, the QAnon/Repub spectacle of pantomime and theater, will get out and parade around in nonsense about election fraud, in an attempt to please their base and the pretense of doing something meaningful.

Nope, QAnon\Repubs would rather blame bad "metal boxes", than to introspectively examine party ideology and policies.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2772599]My source was the Federal Highway Administration. I don't think you will find them contradicting the myths they took the extraordinary time and effort to debunk that you have bought all these years elsewhere in that source.

Clearly, they were so weary of hearing the myths you repeated here repeated everywhere for so many decades that they decided to devote an entire section of their site to debunking them and officially set the record straight once and for all.

LOL. Whenever the topic of "What meaningful accomplishment have Repubs done for America in the past 20,30, 50 or 100 years" comes up, some poor ill-informed pro-Repub soul inevitably races to that "Eisenhower gave us the Interstate Highway System" myth.

But he didn't.

Oh, no doubt that mythical spin on it probably began in 1956, almost 20 years after the hard legislative work and planning began, just to make it look like some great Ike idea and accomplishment. Mainstream Media were no less pro Repub then than they are now.

The Federal Highway Administration simply got sick of being asked about it so often to settle bar bets or whatever that they finally had to include the fully debunking of that myth as well as a couple of others you tried to float here right on their website.

And, mind you, if you scroll down that page you will see the information was updated in 2019. That was a time when the latest Repub in the White House had already flushed Trillions down the shitter with nothing but fewer jobs created and zero economic gain to show for it. And it was also an administration chock full of the most and biggest liars in USA potus administration history.

So if there was ever a time when Repubs could have gotten into the government data bases to re-write and revise history, twist and spin it to make it at least appear that, yep, once upon a time in the past 100 years a Repub really did do something meaningful for America, that was the time for it.

But they couldn't.[/QUOTE]Did you see that I used the same Federal Highway Administration site? Cherry pick all you want. You seem to want to make this personal and want to make it a the vs are debate. For what it's worth, I have been a straight party the for longer than you have been out of diapers which from the way you act wasn't that long ago. But because of people like you and the way Dems ass kiss the are's I may choose otherwise in the future. Tip O'Neal the red nosed alcoholic had Raygun's dick in his mouth most of the time. Some Irish brotherhood thing. Look at all the Dems who voted for the Iraq war. How about abandoning Al Frankin like they did for a stupid 30 year old harmless picture? By the way, when you're in line waiting for your dream puta, the guy who just blasted in her mouth may have been an are. So you will be like most of the the's in Washington. Like I said, I have been a straight party line Dem for over 53 years but that has now changed but I will never be a Republican either.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2772288]Elvis, If your going to make up false claims and project any such baises, bigotry, prejudices, hate speech, name calling, slurs and slander on other BMs, it would behoove you to also provide
examples/proof of said scurrilous infractions, from the accused BMs.

But no doubt and true to form, much like your QAnon\Repub election denying brethren, who continually make up false claims about election fraud by the Dems, without proof and substantiated evidential facts, you [b]only serve to incriminate yourself[/b] of the very thing you are accusing other of being.

[u]Just for the Record:[/u]
For the record, when you say [i]"...there are against people who vote Republican."[/i], it couldn't be further from the truth. Unlike the Repubs, who insidiously and maniacally plot to subvert, suppress and deny Americans the right to vote, I love Americans who get out and vote, period.

What now? You lost me on so many levels with, [i]"Again, PVM, Tooms, and Spidy are the most prejudiced people..."[/i]. Really? Compared to whom? How would you know? Is Tiny 12, really supposed to believe that?

Just because we (Dems) provide opposing arguments, counterpoints and disagree with (what I often consider, IMHO) political Repub rhetoric or right-wing dogma, you call us [i]"the most prejudiced
people"[/i] and [b]"there are against people who vote Republican."[/b]Really!? Is that really what you think?

[u]Just to be clear:[/u]
[b]TO BE CLEAR[/b], I don't care (or give a flying f#cK,), if you vote for the Dems, [b]the Repubs[/b], or for the Independents. [u]I care about[/u] the ease of access, available, seamless and uncomplicated voting; and of course, [b]the right for ALL eligible Americans to VOTE![/b] PERIOD!!!

[b]TO BE CLEAR[/b], I'm HERE to argue the governing politics and policies of Dems and Repub political parties, or politics from the World at large, as it my pertain to the US. And of course those politicians, placed in office to "dutifully", "responsibly" and with earnest "accountability", deemed to carry out and serve the will of their respective constituencies.

[b]TO BE CLEAR[/b], I'm mostly "against" the boneheaded, knucklehead, wrongheaded, misguided, bias, unfair, unjust, discriminatory and partisan policies and laws that go against rights, wishes of the majority of Americans, be it Dems or Repubs. It just so happens, Repubs fall into this category more often than not.

[b]TO BE CLEAR[/b], while I suspect YOU, Elvis, may take the discussion here personally, I DO NOT! ...IT'S NOT PERSONAL for me! (Truth be told, it actually been fun, time permitted!)

[b]TO BE CLEAR[/b], you continue to be you. I wouldn't have it any other way. Continue to call me names, if that makes you sleep better at nights, as I'm a big-boy and can take it (figuratively speaking). [u]But don't project your biases, bigotry or prejudices on me[/u], without providing examples of me committing said infractions.

[b]TO BE CLEAR[/b], (although you and Tiny 12 may think otherwise), it's not a "Dems good" and "Repubs bad" thing either. I just happen to think and believe, by and large, Dems do a way better job in office, servicing the needs of most Americans, than when Repubs are in office. Heck, if Repubs made better polices and stood for more just & equal rights and laws for Americans, I'd vote Red.

[b]TO BE CLEAR[/b], (for [b]Tiny 12[/b] and other BMs reading this), Elvis, I know you posted/responded to Tiny 12, but I just wanted to MAKE IT CLEAR, I am not attacking Tiny 12. Tiny 12 has always been respectful in his posts (and has made his arguments, [i]without[/i] the "D-bag" type name calling and childish antics, towards other BMs) and has always pretty much, stuck to providing good counterpoints to the topics of political discussion.

Clear enough?[/QUOTE]One thing the Repubs are [B]excellent at[/B] is calling every source that isn't rightwingnut-media-based [B]"fake news[/B]. They forget that Goebbels coined the exact same phrase (but in German, naturally) 80-or-90-some-odd years ago.

Another thing they are [B]excellent at[/B] is [B]"projection"[/B]. I won't bother to describe what "projection" is and certainly not with a source for the reason mentioned above.

Repubs are also [B]excellent at[/B] misusing terms. For instance, they love calling the "National Socialist German Workers Party" "socialist" because the title contains the word "socialist". They rage against ANTIFA and forget that, depending upon their age, their fathers or grandfathers, uncles, etc. Fought AGAINST fascism 80-some-odd years ago.

Repubs have yet to explain how their "red wave" of 2022 turned into a "pink trickle" other than to say, without evidence of course, that various elections were "stolen".

There's a reason that I call them the Moron Brigade.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2772193]Superb presentation on economic decline of USA, with parallels to 20th century Germany.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS-eCnCneyA[/QUOTE]No offense, TK, but you are off the boat with all this anti-American stuff. Consider this. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_the_United_States[/URL].

He Minerals Management Service (MMS) estimates the Federal Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) contains between 66.6 and 115.1 billion barrels (10.59109 and 18.30109 m3) of undiscovered technically recoverable crude oil, with a mean estimate of 85.9 billion barrels (13.66109 m3).

At $100 a barrel, that is $8. 6 trillion worth of oil and to be clear TK, that is with current technology. Guys in the oil industry I have spoken would easily double that 86 billion barrel estimate. And if you assume better technology and drilling, you could get to $30 trillion and that is just one American asset.

And our government owns huge portions of the Western States, 2. 27 billon acres worth trillions of dollars as well.

The American Midwest has the most productive farm land in the world. Our canal system has more river waterways then the rest of the world combined. Our transportation system, though not without flaws, is also the world's best and of course, we have the strongest military with trillions in equipment.

If you look at the debt in and of itself, which is what everyone does who wants to call the USA's downfall imminent, it is scary, but they always compare it to other things. Countries tend to default when 30% of their total revenue goes to paying down debt. In the USA, last I looked, that number was 7%. And looking at debt without looking at assets is a fool's errand.

Cryptocurrency / bitcoin was supposed to be an antidote to the endless American money printing as was gold. One has gone tits up while the other has done nothing. If a Colombian held his savings in dollars versus pesos over the last 3 years, he would be like 50 or 60% richer today.

Anyone thinking China is going to overtake the USA has not looked into China much. They have the mother of all real estate bubbles and the debt they have accumulated at the local level is at nose bleed levels. Comparing the USA to 1920 Germany is literally insane.

Elvis has been banging the heart risk drum for a long time. Whilst I agree on the corruption in pharma and the stupidity of the vax mandates, I have been ignoring the heart issue.

But this chat is very interesting:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3MPnBpfrRk[/URL]

Don't worry, you won't see it on mainstream TV, bcos alternative ideas are censored in the west.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2772799]Elvis has been banging the heart risk drum for a long time. Whilst I agree on the corruption in pharma and the stupidity of the vax mandates, I have been ignoring the heart issue.

But this chat is very interesting:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3MPnBpfrRk[/URL]

Don't worry, you won't see it on mainstream TV, bcos alternative ideas are censored in the west.[/QUOTE]TK, Systemic lupus erythematosus or lupus is an autoimmune disorder where the body attacks its own soft tissues. One thing seen with lupus is known as a lupus anticoagulant or antiphospholipid syndrome. This is where activating the immune system causes the immune system to make blood clots.

Covid causes blood clots or more correctly it causes the immune system to make blood clots and yes, the process is often like lupus. [URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2027508[/URL].

In their letter to the editor, Bowles et al. (July 16 issue) 1 report on a study in which 20% of the patients with Covid-19 had a prolonged activated partial-thromboplastin time (aPTT), and in 31 of 34 patients, evidence of lupus anticoagulant was detected by means of plasma-based laboratory methods. These findings provide support for a phenomenon described by Wenzel et al. , who found evidence of lupus anticoagulant in 52% of critically ill patients (before the Covid-19 pandemic).

So if you taking a vaccine and "activating the immune system" which fights Covid, wouldn't you expect blood clots? To me, you would have to prove not that the vaccine does produce clots but that it does not.

And yeah, all the data the doctor in that video lists supports the idea that yes, the vaccine does cause a dramatic and often deadly increase from blood clots.

And yes, if the vaccine manufacturers were not given blanket immunity, they would be bankrupt right now from all the lawsuits.

FWIW, TK, covid has been making a comeback but it pares in comparison to the influenza A and RSV being seen now. Of these three virus types, patients with Covid are the least sick by far.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2772755]Did you see that I used the same Federal Highway Administration site? Cherry pick all you want. You seem to want to make this personal and want to make it a the vs are debate. For what it's worth, I have been a straight party the for longer than you have been out of diapers which from the way you act wasn't that long ago. But because of people like you and the way Dems ass kiss the are's I may choose otherwise in the future. Tip O'Neal the red nosed alcoholic had Raygun's dick in his mouth most of the time. Some Irish brotherhood thing. Look at all the Dems who voted for the Iraq war. How about abandoning Al Frankin like they did for a stupid 30 year old harmless picture? By the way, when you're in line waiting for your dream puta, the guy who just blasted in her mouth may have been an are. So you will be like most of the the's in Washington. Like I said, I have been a straight party line Dem for over 53 years but that has now changed but I will never be a Republican either.[/QUOTE]Yes, I can read and I can count.

Your very first post about this was that "Eisenhower got the idea (for the Interstate Highway System) from Germany after wwI".

Your second statement about it was that "Ike did get them started in 1956. ".

Sorry, YOUR link and MY link, the SAME link, refutes those statements and debunk them as the myths they have always been.

The 1956 signing was not the culmination of anything Eisenhower conceived of, started, proposed, fought for or legislated. All of that started in 1939 under FDR, not 1953 or 1956 under Eisenhower. 1939 is earlier than both 1953 and 1956. That's where the math part comes in.

The 1956 signing does not contradict what OUR link states and what I characterized about Eisenhower simply saying, "Sure, go ahead with the plan, I won't try to stop it. ".

In seasonal Merry Christmas terms, OUR link shows that somebody else, not Eisenhower, conceived of a great gift for America, somebody else, not Eisenhower, researched what would be the best version of that gift, somebody else, not Eisenhower, shopped for the gift, somebody else, not Eisenhower, bought the gift, somebody else, not Eisenhower, carried the gift home, somebody else, not Eisenhower, wrapped the gift, somebody else, not Eisenhower, placed the gift under the tree, then Eisenhower signed the gift card.

Kudos to Ike for not trying to throw the gift in the trash bin and instead simply signing the gift card and heading back to the golf course. But that is essentially the only thing he had to do with that nearly 20 year conception, plan and legislative journey.

But neither of the Eisenhower-related myths you repeated here are supported by OUR link while my assertions about them are.