East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=DoItUnderwater;2065121]Sounds like a great idea. However, when I click your link here in the states, Baidumaps has an unending spinning thing. Page never loads. So I type in Maps. Baidu and it pops right up with map of the whole country, China. In Chinese. I can read exactly -0- of it. Do you have a link for Baidu Maps where I can enter English and get maps in English?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]It's pretty easy to find. Take exit 4 of the subway and you are about 10 m away from the entry. You will see a pink sign offering massage next to the entry. Take the lift at the end of the corridor to 4 F.

Went there few days ago for first time. Don't expect any kind of decent maasage. It went pretty quickly to the fun part. Which is defiently worth to go back again.

[QUOTE=GaistAsia;2065453]It's pretty easy to find. Take exit 4 of the subway and you are about 10 m away from the entry. You will see a pink sign offering massage next to the entry. Take the lift at the end of the corridor to 4 F.

Went there few days ago for first time. Don't expect any kind of decent maasage. It went pretty quickly to the fun part. Which is defiently worth to go back again.[/QUOTE]Thank you Gaist. Finally some specifics on finding it. Don't worry, I know better than to expect outstanding decor or cleanliness. Good to know you agree with others about it being worth a return visit.

Have fun. Be safe.

[QUOTE=DoItUnderwater;2065121]Sounds like a great idea. However, when I click your link here in the states, Baidumaps has an unending spinning thing. Page never loads. So I type in Maps. Baidu and it pops right up with map of the whole country, China. In Chinese. I can read exactly -0- of it. Do you have a link for Baidu Maps where I can enter English and get maps in English?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Well yea, they block out-of-country users. You didn't mention you were not here. But it will work once you arrive in China. And no, there is no English version. You need to consider why a country of a billion Chinese speakers would feel the need to make English versions of everything.

The link I gave you was a 3 D street view pointing at the shop.

And a little thanks goes a long way, rather than a bunch of complaints.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2065577]Well yea, they block out-of-country users. You didn't mention you were not here. But it will work once you arrive in China. And no, there is no English version. You need to consider why a country of a billion Chinese speakers would feel the need to make English versions of everything.

The link I gave you was a 3 D street view pointing at the shop.

And a little thanks goes a long way, rather than a bunch of complaints.[/QUOTE]And try this link: [URL]http://j.map.baidu.com/00sJL[/URL] it should work out of China.

I have a question for the folks who have been in China for a while: after perusing Chinese forums (E. G. 'Love Shanghai' you'll quickly learn that FS can be had for about 390 RMB all inclusive at certain Massage Shops, particularly in the Hong Kou and Yangpu districts. Furthermore, the girls are young and can be as good looking as sauna girls (well, maybe not the top tier ones). My question is this: why wouldn't these girls instead work for saunas? The workload seems about the same, for what I imagine is more pay, and a safer working environment in the Sauna.

My thought is the saunas are selective in who they hire, and they can't get a gig there. But the massage girls are young enough and pretty enough, and they have the skills, which makes me think they are not passing health tests. Does that sound right?

I just got back to the states after a quick few days in Shanghai. A quick report, nothing too exhaustive.

First, let me say that American Airlines can go fuck itself. Thanks to this douche bag airline, I had a 10 hour flight delay heading to Shanghai. That cost me an entire evening in the city- an extra evening I wish I had at the end of my four nights.

That said, Shanghai was amazing. Beautiful city, great food, nice stuff to see. Sweltering hot in July. It was 100-106 F every day I was there, in evenings it never dropped below 80 F.

Some general observations:

- if you don't have WeChat, download it and try to use it, you'll need it in Shanghai. It gives you everything. Messaging, map integration, translation, all in one place.

- Download a VPN client to your phone and / or computer before heading over if you can. I used ExpressVPN. I think you get 30 days for free. This will make it so you can access this board as well as things like Google services while in China. Everyone there, not just tourists, use a VPN to access blocked internet services.

- Don't bother taking the subways.

- Use Didi (China's Uber) or taxis to get around. Both are very cheap. A 15 minute taxi ride runs about 30-40 why ($6-8 USD) and in Shanghai there is no need to tip, really. A couple of Yuan at the most.

- try to confirm the address with any spa manager before heading out in the taxi.

So I land at midnight and get to my hotel at 2 am Sunday morning. I'm completely knackered from a 30 hour trip duration. Sleep a few hours then wake up, guzzle some coffee, and try to shake the cobwebs.

Sunday afternoon:

- I hit the craft beer festival at Kerry Centre. Had a great time there, met a few lasses there who I probably could have pursued a bit if I really tried, but I was still a little jet lagged.

Sunday Night:

First contact is Wenli, info provided by another hobbiest. Contact via WeChat: "wenli64 u".

- Wenli arrives around 2 pm. We arrange or 1,200 why for 2-3 hours, multi-pop. Had a good time, decent performance, cute gal, BBBJ and many positions. I do not think I will repeat, but this was a good place to start with my Shanghai festivities.

Monday Night, Judy's:

- I head to Judy's on Monday night, time my arrival at the recommended time of about 11:30 pm. Guys, if you have ever wanted to know the feeling of being a hot girl in a bar full of horny dudes, Judy's will give that to you. As I walked around I had lots of girls trying to reach out and grab me or talk to me, even though I was trying to make it obvious where I was and was not interested. This has to be what a chick feels like in a club full of sausages. So, weirdly, being in Judy's gave me a new-found respect for women. Ironic, I know. Probably 25 girls in the entire place, 3 or 4 black gals, and a couple of gals that easily could have been dudes. A few of the Asian gals were a lot older, so out of the 25 or so there I would say maybe 4-5 were actual hotties.

Anyway, I meet a cute little Vietnamese gal named Candy or Cindy. Tight little body, tiny, great shape, nice butt. Sorry that I have deleted her WeChat ID already from my phone, as I need to do a post-trip cleanse of data on my devices, for obvious reasons. After doing a circle or two and sipping some 25 Y Heineken, I settle on this little treat. We settle on 2,000 why all night, which in reality is about 4 hours for me because I reach a point after then that I am exhausted and ask them to leave anyway.

We take a car service back from Judy's (they will have dudes there ready to provide) for 50 why / RMB. Get to the room, I take a shower, she soaps me nicely. We hit the bed, she provides BBBJ, DATY, and then I basically bang her in every position I can imagine and bend into (at my age, that's not as many as it was 20 years ago). I have her do everything, even a little tease show with her playing with herself. She had good English skills so I could explain most everything. Finished once, then she showered and we rested. When I started trying to get physical and go again, she was resistant, saying she was a little "ticklish," but this may have also been a cultural thing. Anyway, we do a quick Road two, this time just in mish, and I basically tried to pound her until I broke her. This little filly can take it, that's for sure.

She leaves around 3 am. I'm spent.

Tuesday night:

I end up hitting craft beer bars in the city (which there are quite a few). So no fun time for me.

Wednesday Night:

My last night in the city and I want to experience a NURU. So I go to SNG, which I had read before, and settle on the idea of going to Caesars Palace. Supposed to be more expensive, but also has the style and the quality of gals to make up for the cost. Since it is my last night, I figure fuck it. I contact the manager via WeChat using the ID provided by SNG, and get a response back in a few minutes. WeChat is nice because it has a built-in translator for messaging, so I can quickly arrange that I will be there and they know and they say to message when I arrive, they will come get me.

So I download the address card from SNG, show it to the taxi driver, and he takes me there. I get out of the taxi, find the address and -- here is where it gets strange. There is no one at all standing in front of the building. Usually there is a guard / doorman or two. Message the manager, say I am there, and get a reply that says they cannot find me. Well, I guess it turns out that either Caesars is no longer in this location, or the manager contact doesn't work there anymore. Sure enough. I ask the manager to send me the address and I get an address a few minutes away from Donghua University. Dammit, now I have to find another taxi, show them the address, and take another 15 minutes to get there. Bummer. But as Hunter Thompson once said, if you buy the ticket, take the ride.

So I get to the building, it's huge. Several big neon signs advertising massage places there. Sorry I deleted the address, but the one photo I took had a picture with a green sign and LIANJIA written on it, which I think is a real estate company. I message the manager and she says to wait, they will send someone out to get me. A couple of minutes alter someone comes out, it is mama manager, and she walks me in- thank god because I never would have found this place. We go up a back staircase a couple of floors, up an elevator I think, then boom into the facility. It looks nothing like the photos of Caesars that SNG has, but it does seem to be a high-quality place. Same procedure, I have to change immediately into slippers / flip flops before heading back to the locker room. None of these places seem to have slippers that fit a US size 12 foot.

So I start to head back t the locker room, get my wrist band with the locker number on it, locker room attendant guides me back to the locker and uses my wristband to unlock my locker. So, yes, the same technology that allows me to charge a meal against the meal plan at Disney is being used here to do everything from unlock your locker to pairing you up with the girl.

I change into the gear they provide, some cotton shorts and a shirt that both look like pyjamas, and the locker attendant guides me out to the next phase. I sit in a waiting area, and the mama / manager gal comes to get me. She shows me a photo on her phone with the rates on it and the letters / levels, and then I proceed into the viewing room to make a choice.

Holy fucking shit.

I am led into a room with about 35 girls arranged with the back row standing and the front row on chairs. There are all kinds of gals in there. Short ones, tall ones, thick or thin, big boobs or small. One thing for certain, at a particular time or place, I would probably want to fuck every single one of them. The speakers are blasting some sort of Asian dance music, the lights are flashing, there are mirrors- if I had to explain the sensation, I would probably say that it is the feeling that hardcore gamblers get on a busy casino floor, with all the slots and lights. I try to take a deep breath to make the right choice, since the only thing pressing my time is me, not manager. I look over a few, mostly it was the higher level girls available but there were a few of the first and second tier. I pick a third tier gal, a cute Cambodian, for 1700 RMB for 2 hours including Nuru. Her number is S-12.

She gives me a rinse, sets up the table for nuru, I lay down and she performs the massage. Incredible experience, very relaxing and arousing at the same time. It feels incredible, a great experience and well worth it.

I am not going to go through all the particulars, but suffice to say after the nuru we get down to business and have a great time. Well worth the effort. But, lesson learned- contact the managers first and confirm the address of any place (they can send you the address via wechat and you just show it to the driver on your phone).

[QUOTE=RobSH;2064764][URL]http://maps.baidu.com/[/URL]#panoid=09000300011607041347519731 A&panotype=street&heading=326.63&pitch=-1. 98&l=19&tn=B_NORMAL_MAP&sc=0&newmap=1&shareurl=1&pid=09000300011607041347519731 A.

General recommendation: use Chinese websites to find addresses. Google and Apple don't have up-to-date info.[/QUOTE]Fully support your recommendation. As a matter of fact and strangely unknown to most China does not allow the majority of foreign companies to use accurate Chinese maps. This goes that far that they randomly falsificate GPS data with an algorithm. Apple switches to Amap automatically as soon as you enter China without telling you. Still it does not work well using English or PinYin. So you must use Chinese map providers and the mandarin written address to find most things that are not famous like the forbidden city. As of course the English markers are often wrong, misspelled etc. Finding the way in China has never been easy. But rest assured most Chinese I know have the same problems.

Success.

FA.

P.S.: if you think I am making this up use google map for a China location and switch from map view to photo view. Or try find New York on AppleMaps while in China.

[QUOTE=ASUDevil1;2065722]I just got back to the states after a quick few days in Shanghai. A quick report, nothing too exhaustive.

First, let me say that American Airlines can go fuck itself. Thanks to this douche bag airline, I had a 10 hour flight delay heading to Shanghai. That cost me an entire evening in the city- an extra evening I wish I had at the end of my four nights.

That said, Shanghai was amazing. Beautiful city, great food, nice stuff to see. Sweltering hot in July. It was 100-106 F every day I was there, in evenings it never dropped below 80 F.

....[/QUOTE]A+ for the report pal.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2065671]And try this link: [URL]http://j.map.baidu.com/00sJL[/URL] it should work out of China.[/QUOTE]RobSH, Thanks for the link, it works. This is really helpful as Google maps is outdated.

BP.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2065674]I have a question for the folks who have been in China for a while: after perusing Chinese forums (E. G. 'Love Shanghai' you'll quickly learn that FS can be had for about 390 RMB all inclusive at certain Massage Shops, particularly in the Hong Kou and Yangpu districts. Furthermore, the girls are young and can be as good looking as sauna girls (well, maybe not the top tier ones).[/QUOTE]RobSH, could you give some more info on the location of these places or on which forum you found them. Thanks!

[QUOTE=RobSH;2065671]And try this link: [URL]http://j.map.baidu.com/00sJL[/URL] it should work out of China.[/QUOTE]Thanks Rob, that is a huge help.

After my previous post, a fellow monger PMed me and asked about the beer places I mentioned. In the interest of not having to answer the question again, and wanting to share the info (as I suspect a lot of you like good beer) here is the list of really good places I visited.

1) De Refter: This is a showcase Belgian beer bar for the company that imports that type of beer to the Chinese market. Currently located at 81 Jinxian Rd, Huangpu Qu, Shanghai, but I have been told the location is going to move in August thanks to a landlord that does not want to renew the lease. Very good English bartenders and managers. Served some incredible beers: 2 types of Chimay on tap, Trappist Rochefort 10 (2017), Gulden Draak and a Braunfelser 1868. All except the braunfelser are 10% beers, so be careful! I left this place completely knackered. The current location has a Delerium Tremors Pink Elephant sign hanging outside, and this is often what the place is called. I suspect they will take that sign to the new location. See attached photos for what it looks like.

2) World of Beer. World of Beer is right next to a place called Dr. Beer, and both places are worth visiting. World of Beer has an absolute shit ton of all kinds of beers from around the world, with an ex-pat feel inside. So good English all around. Bar menu is good but do not expect much in the way of Shanghaiese foods -- it is pretty much a western menu with some spices thrown in. Look at the photo attached, they had so many beers I couldn't get them all in one photo. World of Beer is located at 3 Fumin Rd, Jingan Qu, Shanghai.

3) Beer Lady. Located at 455 Fahuazhen Lu, near Dingxi Lu. Everything from US craft brews to hard to find belgian ales. There are a couple of Belgian ales aged for years by monks that sell for 20,000 RMB. There are also a couple of beers that sell for 10 why. Try the 10 RMB beers, you might be surprised. Good english as well and open 24/7 because it is known as a "convenience store".

4) Jackie's beer Nest. The first real craft beer place in Shanghai. Ground zero for Shanghai craft beer. Totally under-the-radar. At 76 Zhaozhou Lu, near Dongtai Lu. Quirky interior and managed by a guy who will talk about beer until he is out of breath. Great welcoming atmosphere. Closes early at 10 pm for some reason, so get there early.

5) Boxing Cat Bewery. Sinan Mansions, Unit 26 A, 519 Fuxing Zhong Lu, near Sinan Lu. Excellent craft beer on tap, maybe five or six of their own beers. They do not sell others. Recently bought by InBev, but if you can get over your snobby "I don't like to drink anything owned by those big beer dickheads" then it is worth the trip. No InBev influence is present.

6) Kerry Hotel. There is a lobby bar called THE BREW that is excellent.

7) Liquid Laundry. Shanghai Shi, Xuhui Qu, HuaiHai Lu XiDuan, 淮28023;20013;36335;1028. Affiliated with Boxing Cat, but they have a lot of other brands on sale here. One of the places besides Jackies that is a must visit.

8) The Bund Brewery. Sucked absolute balls. Shitty beer and filled with dickheads. One asshat wouldn't let me sit at his table even though he had two extra seats. Said he was waiting for a couple of people. An hour later those people were still not there. I walked up and called him a cocksucker, then left.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2065674]I have a question for the folks who have been in China for a while: after perusing Chinese forums (E. G. 'Love Shanghai' you'll quickly learn that FS can be had for about 390 RMB all inclusive at certain Massage Shops, particularly in the Hong Kou and Yangpu districts. Furthermore, the girls are young and can be as good looking as sauna girls (well, maybe not the top tier ones). My question is this: why wouldn't these girls instead work for saunas? The workload seems about the same, for what I imagine is more pay, and a safer working environment in the Sauna.

My thought is the saunas are selective in who they hire, and they can't get a gig there. But the massage girls are young enough and pretty enough, and they have the skills, which makes me think they are not passing health tests. Does that sound right?[/QUOTE]Sauna girls do NOT go for regular heath checks, nor are they required to pass one before getting hired by a sauna. There are a few reasons why a girl end up in GM, Dry Massage, rather than sauna.

1. age. Any girl older than 25 in China is called a mature lady. Chinese guys prefer younger girls so unless the girl has that baby face look, or provide "special" services, she probably won't get much business in a sauna.

2. beauty and height. The Chinese definition of beauty is very different from that of a western culture, so is the mindset of a Chinese punter. A typical Chinese punter would chose beauty and youth over service. Service is secondary, the idea is to bang a model type. 170 cm and above usually puts the girl into the model type category, under 155 cm and the girl starts at the bottom level.

3. supply and demand. A typical sauna will have more than 40 girls (bigger saunas like HaoMen on QuYang Lu will have 70+ girls) any day, while a GM place will have less than 10 girls. A punter walks into a sauna and there will be more than 20 girls on stage for selection, while a GM goes with the "next girl up" rotation policy, there's no fishbowl or selection stage.

Thanks for link, clear: English version on a back burner. But how about Pinging for addresses?

Gregory.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2065671]And try this link: [URL]http://j.map.baidu.com/00sJL[/URL] it should work out of China.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Changlelu;2065976]RobSH, could you give some more info on the location of these places or on which forum you found them. Thanks![/QUOTE]The best resource for these GM places is QQ chat groups. There are no KeFu or pimps that you will have to contact before they let you in, just call ahead to make appointment or walk in and ask the girl's number. There will be no fishbowl selection stage, they go by next girl up. Prices start at 220 rmb to 350+ for one hour. Here are a few of them:

YanJiZhong Lu 330, near JinNing Lu. YangPu district. Tel 021 55087157.

TianTongAn Lu, near HuaChang Lu. Next to ZhongYuan real estate. HongKou district. Tel 13626502039.

BeiBaoXing Lu 59, near HongKou football stadium. HongKou district. Tel 18701873484.

GuangZhong Lu 208, near ShuiDian Lu. HongKou district. Tel 15901767338.

There's also ChangShu Lu 76 that's been reported here multiple times.