Cartagena Reports

[QUOTE=Nypher;2586261]Thailand have a different vibe from Colombia, especially Pattaya.

I find the Thai girls I met more honest and trusting, granted this was pre COVID so I don't know if they are the same now times are harder. I have partied hard in 808 blacked out and woke up in my hotel room with the girl I met in the club. Same with Flexx Club, I don't know how I made it down those steps and back to my hotel room but woke up with a girl next to me. They made sure this chocolate man got to bed safe 555. I would never do that in Colombia unless I was staying somewhere with security. Also how is your Spanish? Thailand was easier as many of the girls I ran into speak English but in Colombia the only ones who I find that can speak some little English are the ones that have normal jobs in the tourist areas. I've only ran into one prepago that spoke little English and it was very basic stuff.

As for being robbed, they won't point you out on the street for a gang to attack you, they will wait until they are in your apartment most likely sleeping then open the door to let their friends in, or drug you and clear out all your stuff. This have not happened to me yet, but I know someone it happened to who like to travel solo, and there are many stories like it. I would put safety first, then sexual needs second.[/QUOTE]Did that robbery occur in Cartagena? Do you know of any like that in Cartagena? I would only stay in a place with security.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2586160]The prices depend on the monger.

If the monger lives in Colombia or he is a local he can get it for a lower price or even free if he plays the long game of taking her out. Knowing how to speak Spanish can help but if the monger don't know Colombian slang, she will just see the monger as a foreigner and will treat them as such.

Once the chica finds out the monger is only visiting then the prices change. A little "Que lo que" in Sosua goes a long way, the equivalent of that in Colombia I'm still trying to to learn.

Based on my daytime experience, if I get them around Playa Hollywood or El Laguito they can start at 150 K COP and top out at 300 K COP. 200 K COP is the reasonable amount. This is all ST. The 800 K COP price I've only experienced in Delirium, your experience may be different.

Based on my night time experience, if I get them from Centro, clock tower, Space, Dulce Vita or Delirium they start off at 300 K COP for ST and for TLN it can start from 500 K COP and top out at 800 K COP.

The mongers looks also matter when it comes to the price and service. If the monger have the appearance of a failed NFL line backer who looks like at any minute they can die from a combination of health problems the chica will tolerate the monger just for the money and run. If the monger does not have the appearance of a typical Playa Sosua monger who have to stack two of the beach chairs because a single chair will break under their weight the price and service will be decent JAJAJA!

To me, anything over 200 K COP for ST or 600 K COP for TLN is something I'm willing to walk away from. Keep in mind many of them will still ask for tip + taxi $$.[/QUOTE]Great, I think from your reply you gave the the ballpark information I requested I will be down on the week of the 10th. Can't said I know the Columbian "slang" but my Spanish is well enough to get by in my job with negotiations but they to see me as a foreigner that speaks Spanish but in the end, I win. I'm in good shape and love the beach jet ski and scuba dive. I spend very little time in So- Sewer while living in Santo DOM DR. Your information will help me with my chica negotiations, what's too high or not fair, as a monger I don't really care if the chica see me as a foreigner this little trip will be about pussy on the beach or Clock Tower clubs for ground and pound and maybe get that azz too. BE SAFE BE HAPPY.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2586260]Don't' pay more than 50 for the chair. The actual price is 20.[/QUOTE]So why not pay 20?

[QUOTE=Kafka;2586260]Don't' pay more than 50 for the chair. The actual price is 20.[/QUOTE]What do you mean don't pay more than 50? A chair is either 4 or 12 depending on the style, not 20 or 50. You can get chairs and stuff from anywhere because the prices are regulated and supposed to be the same no matter who you get them from. I posted the prices from the government a while back and I shall post them again. If you are charged more than these prices there is a number listed here to call to report it.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2586324]Did that robbery occur in Cartagena? Do you know of any like that in Cartagena? I would only stay in a place with security.[/QUOTE]LOL. Which robbery? They happen all the time all over Colombia. Just look at the news, read ISG, or join one of those Colombia expat facebook groups. A good buddy of mine was left destitute and in the gutter a few years back. They did not get him inside. They got him outside. Your place with security can not help you with that, unless you just plan to stay in and order chicks online.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2586261]Thailand have a different vibe from Colombia, especially Pattaya.

I find the Thai girls I met more honest and trusting, granted this was pre COVID so I don't know if they are the same now times are harder. I have partied hard in 808 blacked out and woke up in my hotel room with the girl I met in the club. Same with Flexx Club, I don't know how I made it down those steps and back to my hotel room but woke up with a girl next to me. They made sure this chocolate man got to bed safe 555. I would never do that in Colombia [/QUOTE]Dude you are preaching to the choir. I left Flexx, must have been one morning, because the last thing I remembered was walking down Walking Street and it was daylight. I woke up in my bed and there was a chick next to me and I went back to sleep. Not sure if that was the time I left my bike on Walking Street or it happened to follow me home. No way in the hell I would do something like that in Colombia. I don't even drink at a place there unless I am with friends.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2586215]What he means is: the more you give a girl, the less she appreciates it.

There is nothing wrong with finding someone you like and hanging with her, however if you are paying her anything cash wise, you have to remember she is a working girl. Period. She may be a nice working girl, a great lay in bed, but she is a working girl. Any notion that she likes you for anything but money then is a mistake.

I keep saying this but there are Colombian women who want to hang out with American guys and not for just cash.

My current GF has gotten more from me than any other girl yet I have not given her dime for sex or just to hang out with me. See if you can find a woman who will fuck you for no payment. Then you have a keeper.

It is fine to hang with a working girl for cash but just make sure in your head that is what you have. If she expects money, she is with you for that and not for you. It is easy to get that confused, and the women are really good at keeping you confused on this subject, but you should remind yourself always of what she is and what you are.

What amazes me is American men are so comfortable being johns they miss out on so much free pussy. It is there in abundance if you think that you are worthy of it.[/QUOTE]Just to clarify, I think my posts make it clear that I am not American. I am old. I am married (and I always make that clear). Why would anyone think that I am unaware that as far as the girl is concerned, this is anything other than a commercial transaction? Notwithstanding, that I prefer it to be commercial. In all the circumstances, all I am bringing to the party is my wallet.

As far as diminishing returns are concerned, I'd allow her one off day, but after, she is no longer what I want and she's gone.

Not sure if you've heard of it but there is a book called "Private Dancer" about a Brit who falls in love with a Thai hooker and his life is destroyed. I remember at the time it came out, all the Thai "sexperts" were raving about it saying that this was a bible of things not to do when in TH and was essential reading. Really? And if it had been set in any other location, the outcome would have been different? I know exactly what I am looking for: A commercial transaction which ends when she stops performing, or I go the airport. Whichever comes first.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2586228]Your fun and satisfacation with the girl. She can't guarantee that even if she tries. And try to put her out when she has already spent that 28 days pay in her head and you are liable to have problems.

My source is asking Colombians that I know in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Thanks for clearing that up. I don't know why people would assume that if the girl fails to perform, that I would not be prepared to deal with the problem. If the worst comes to the worst. I move to another location. BTW, in spite of all my frailties, I can be very good fun on a night out out with a girl.

Regarding, local knowledge versus Google. I've looked at other sites, and I've seen $261 in another, so I am inclined to rely on your figure. Regardless, whether it is 4 x or 9 x, do you think many girls would be dissatisfied with my offer?

[QUOTE=Nypher;2586261]Thailand have a different vibe from Colombia, especially Pattaya.

I find the Thai girls I met more honest and trusting, granted this was pre COVID so I don't know if they are the same now times are harder. I have partied hard in 808 blacked out and woke up in my hotel room with the girl I met in the club. Same with Flexx Club, I don't know how I made it down those steps and back to my hotel room but woke up with a girl next to me. They made sure this chocolate man got to bed safe 555. I would never do that in Colombia unless I was staying somewhere with security. Also how is your Spanish? Thailand was easier as many of the girls I ran into speak English but in Colombia the only ones who I find that can speak some little English are the ones that have normal jobs in the tourist areas. I've only ran into one prepago that spoke little English and it was very basic stuff.

As for being robbed, they won't point you out on the street for a gang to attack you, they will wait until they are in your apartment most likely sleeping then open the door to let their friends in, or drug you and clear out all your stuff. This have not happened to me yet, but I know someone it happened to who like to travel solo, and there are many stories like it. I would put safety first, then sexual needs second.[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you about the relative trustworthiness of Thais.

As I've already stated, I don't speak Spanish. But then again, I've never got that drunk on a monger trip, that I could not put myself to bed.

Yes there is always a chance you might be robbed down to the chica, and you know someone that happened to. How many people do you know that it hasn't happened to? And what are they going to get? On a good day after I've been to the ATM, maybe $300. By the time I've got home after night out, that might be $150 including the money for the girl. I have an old laptop, my phone, luggage, passport, a 35 year old Seiko watch and Debit card. Robbing me, will not change her way of life. I know you can't factor in the stupidity element, but if the door is opened from the inside, would the girl really think I would not figure out her role in this? But then again, you can never allow for the stupidity of desperation.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586376]J
As far as diminishing returns are concerned, I'd allow her one off day, but after, she is no longer what I want and she's gone.
.[/QUOTE]I think a point being here that you could be prudent and not make the whole 28 day deal all at one time. So that way she cannot be thinking about all that 28 days worth of money if you need to pull out of the deal. Once you make that deal with her, in her mind it is set in stone. I would say something like "it is possible that I might need you for four weeks so I need to know that if I do then you would be available but because I might get called back to work and have to leave I am only going to hire you for a week at a time. If you do good each week and we get along and if I do not get called back to work then we'll do anoher week for the possibility of 4 total weeks" That way if she turns into a psycho or whiny neurotic then you have an out. "I got called back to work".

If on the other hand she turns into crazy girl and you have already made a 28 week deal, in her mind you owe her all that money even if you want out of the deal at day 2. And she may get real crazy and she may not only be more than you want to deal with but she may even call the cops. You think that the cops might be on your side, and they might or they might not,

I'm not sure if you know the story of the (former) United Sates Secret Service agent who got into a disagreement with hooker at the now infamous Hotel Caribe in Cartagena. He was on an advance team for when the president of the USA was going to be going down later for a meeting of the OSA. He and other Secret Service met up with some US DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency) guys who were working in Colombia (I used to spot them in the old La Dolce Vita in Laguito) so these agents were teaching him and some other Secret Service Agents about the "local talent". One Secret Service agent thought he could he could get out of paying this chica but she got the police involved and they were sympathetic to her. Prostitution is a legal profession there so they do not have to hide it and they can ask for police help.

It may seem unreasonable to you that she could give you a lousy time and expect all the money if you pull out of the deal but you cannot expect "reasonable", in her mind you dangled all this money in front of her and then welshed, so do not dangle more than you are willing to write off if things go south.

A funny thing about that incident with the secret service is that before this happened Colombia Tourism had commercials with the slogan "Colombia is Passion" - after this incident was splattered all over he world news, they quickly changed to a different slogan.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2586389]I think a point being here that you could be prudent and not make the whole 28 day deal all at one time. So that way she cannot be thinking about all that 28 days worth of money if you need to pull out of the deal. Once you make that deal with her, in her mind it is set in stone. I would say something like "it is possible that I might need you for four weeks so I need to know that if I do then you would be available but because I might get called back to work and have to leave I am only going to hire you for a week at a time. If you do good each week and we get along and if I do not get called back to work then we'll do anoher week for the possibility of 4 total weeks" That way if she turns into a psycho or whiny neurotic then you have an out. "I got called back to work".

If on the other hand she turns iinto crazy girl and you have already made a 28 week deal, in her mind you owe her all that money even if you want out of the deal at day 2. And she may get real crazy and she may not only be more than you want to deal with but she may even call the cops. You think that the cops might be on your side, and they might or they might not,

I'm not sure if you know the story of the (former) United Sates Secret Service agent who got into a disagreement with hooker at the now infamous Hotel Caribe in Cartagena. He was on an advance team for when the president of the USA was going to be going down later or a meeting of the OSA. He and other Secret Service met up with some US DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency) guys who were working in Colombia (I used to spot them in the old La Dolce Vita in Laguito) so these agents were teaching him and some other Secret Service Agents about the "local talent". One Secret Service agent thought he could he could get out of paying this chica but she got the police involved and they were sympathetic to her. Prostitution is a legal profession there so they do not have to hide it and they can ask for police help.

It may seem unreasonable to you that she could give you a lousy time and expect all the money if you pull out of the deal but you cannot expect "reasonable", in her mind you dangled all this money in front of her and then welshed, so do not dangle more than you are willing to write off if things go south.

A funny thing to me about that incident is that before this happened Colombia Tourism had the slogan "Colombia is Passion" - after this incident was splattered all over he world news, they quickly changed to a different slogan.[/QUOTE]Much of what you say makes sense to me. A lot of my plan is clearly based on the reasonableness of others, and I am aware that there is a wide diversity on what some girls consider reasonable.

I am beginning to see a consensus here. I think most consider that it is doable, but that I shouldn't do it but for a variety of reasons. So now it becomes a question of my confidence in myself to handle a variety of scenarios. Hmmm?

Just found this on Youtube posted today: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3ev-nwM6Bo&t=304s[/URL].

At 7. 50, the poster mentions his hotel which appears to be girl friendly. Casa Pedro Romero which appears to be in Getsemani. Got to say, that the pics on [URL]Bookings.com[/URL] don't make it look much more attractive than the vid itself, but I thought I should post because there is a paucity of info on such hotels. [URL]https://www.booking.com/hotel/co/casa-pedro-romero.en-gb.html?aid=318615;label=English_Ireland_EN_IE_29561940025-kQhWDxOXw%2A1l_FSzR4ZciQS113415594265%3Apl%3Ata%3Ap1%3Ap2%3Aac%3Aap%3Aneg%3Afi2658747816%3Atidsa-302083110424%3Alp1007850%3Ali%3Adec%3Adm;sid=e46ce9a5c302deb0a126f4b8917073d1;all_sr_blocks=49502903_91185023_0_1_0;checkin=2021-08-18;checkout=2021-09-15;dest_id=-579943;dest_type=city;dist=0;from_beach_non_key_ufi_sr=1;group_adults=2;group_children=0;hapos=1;highlighted_blocks=49502903_91185023_0_1_0;hpos=1;no_rooms=1;room1=A%2CA;sb_price_type=total;sr_order=popularity;sr_pri_blocks=49502903_91185023_0_1_0__325449600;srepoch=1627637340;srpvid=df5e42ae886a016c;type=total;ucfs=1&[/URL]#hotelTmpl.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586405]Just found this on Youtube posted today: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3ev-nwM6Bo&t=304s[/URL].

At 7. 50, the poster mentions his hotel which appears to be girl friendly. Casa Pedro Romero which appears to be in Getsemani. Got to say, that the pics on [URL]Bookings.com[/URL] don't make it look much more attractive than the vid itself, but I thought I should post because there is a paucity of info on such hotels. [URL]https://www.booking.com/hotel/co/casa-pedro-romero.en-gb.html?aid=318615;label=English_Ireland_EN_IE_29561940025-kQhWDxOXw%2A1l_FSzR4ZciQS113415594265%3Apl%3Ata%3Ap1%3Ap2%3Aac%3Aap%3Aneg%3Afi2658747816%3Atidsa-302083110424%3Alp1007850%3Ali%3Adec%3Adm;sid=e46ce9a5c302deb0a126f4b8917073d1;all_sr_blocks=49502903_91185023_0_1_0;checkin=2021-08-18;checkout=2021-09-15;dest_id=-579943;dest_type=city;dist=0;from_beach_non_key_ufi_sr=1;group_adults=2;group_children=0;hapos=1;highlighted_blocks=49502903_91185023_0_1_0;hpos=1;no_rooms=1;room1=A%2CA;sb_price_type=total;sr_order=popularity;sr_pri_blocks=49502903_91185023_0_1_0__325449600;srepoch=1627637340;srpvid=df5e42ae886a016c;type=total;ucfs=1&[/URL]#hotelTmpl.[/QUOTE]On Hollywood Beach I have used the Hotel Dann. It is literally on Hollywood Beach and is guest friendly. It runs about 70 to 80 USD per night but is very convenient. In the Walled City I use the El Viajero.

[URL]https://hotel-el-viajero-centro.negocio.site[/URL] The rooms are cheap but clean. It located near the Clock Tower, the Dulce Vida and other pick spots.

Why some guys come to a mongering board to "Bragg" about getting free pussy? Then try to encourage other people to follow their lead. I thought it was across the board that we pretty much don't want "free". The only thing I want free is free-dom to tell a chica when to leave when I'm done with her. I'll gladly pay for that.

I would hate to have a "girlfriend" who's giving me " free" sex and bring her around a whole bunch of chicas who are getting paid for doing the same thing. Do you actually think your girl is really content watching her friend walk away with 500 k night? Meanwhile she's quiet and just hoping for your generosity?

I've played the free game. I didn't like the price I had to pay. I know now that I'the rather pay for her to leave. I thought that's what this forum was mostly about.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2586389]I think a point being here that you could be prudent and not make the whole 28 day deal all at one time. So that way she cannot be thinking about all that 28 days worth of money if you need to pull out of the deal. Once you make that deal with her, in her mind it is set in stone. I would say something like "it is possible that I might need you for four weeks so I need to know that if I do then you would be available but because I might get called back to work and have to leave I am only going to hire you for a week at a time. If you do good each week and we get along and if I do not get called back to work then we'll do anoher week for the possibility of 4 total weeks" That way if she turns into a psycho or whiny neurotic then you have an out. "I got called back to work".

If on the other hand she turns into crazy girl and you have already made a 28 week deal, in her mind you owe her all that money even if you want out of the deal at day 2. And she may get real crazy and she may not only be more than you want to deal with but she may even call the cops. You think that the cops might be on your side, and they might or they might not,

I'm not sure if you know the story of the (former) United Sates Secret Service agent who got into a disagreement with hooker at the now infamous Hotel Caribe in Cartagena. He was on an advance team for when the president of the USA was going to be going down later for a meeting of the OSA. He and other Secret Service met up with some US DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency) guys who were working in Colombia (I used to spot them in the old La Dolce Vita in Laguito) so these agents were teaching him and some other Secret Service Agents about the "local talent". One Secret Service agent thought he could he could get out of paying this chica but she got the police involved and they were sympathetic to her. Prostitution is a legal profession there so they do not have to hide it and they can ask for police help. .[/QUOTE]This is why I do everything thru text so I have proof of the convo and I make sure I say cop or usd.