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Just another non-factual opinion?

Based on my opinion about Thailand, the government, culture, and economy I more in the camp things will retract how far is anyone guess? When you look at what the Virus has done to the USA And its economy compare it to Thailand which years ago I read something like 20% of the population actually pay taxes and that is being very liberal. Living here especially in Pattaya from my experience and environment I feel that is a pretty accurate assessment that the majority are poor and this Virus situation has really brought out how poor.

When it comes to the GoGo which I'm a big fan I for some time felt there needed to be some type of correction and this Virus is doing just that. I kind of sense where it was going when foreigners started to group and pool their money to try to monopolize the business especially in Pattaya. I don't have a problem with paying for the service if it is based on normal economics things get more expensive to operate but many of the problems were self-induced in my opinion by these ownerships justifying prices by placing labels like Models, Agency then with the decline of service personally I'm not the type that expects out of the world experience but having to pay premium money and only get attitude and head games?

Even before the Virus many GoGo's owners had no business being in business and was a tick away from closing especially in Pattaya. This should put those wannabes out for good it will be survival of the fittest and that should be in my estimation 30% fewer clubs the free market will take hold and produce a new or old product? That product if the owners are smart will to cut their overhead and hopefully reset the BF to something more realistic since fewer club more girls hopefully better attitude and fewer mind games.

Getting to my real point? With the shattered economy worldwide the one group that will benefit are the ex-pats and retirees of the world who have steady resources and time to travel. Think about it? It will take at least the rest of the year for those still working to get back on track and that includes the Koreans, Japanese, Chinese even Indians people seem to forget all the blame of high prices, girls spoiled seem to come from the first 3 groups without them many of the ex-pats have the place to themselves until things get back to normal?

Once things start to open back up again and it will be soon, of course, being Thailand the girls returning are going to think business as usual but the customer base isn't going to be there with a monkey see monkey do society no customers isn't going to pay the bills so once they see taking less is better than getting nothing it will be monkey see monkey do? It can backfire those being here and stuck once open are so hard up they are willing to pay whatever if that is the case then this time around don't blame the Asians or 2-week millionaires.

Now are prices going back to 1000 LT for GoGo girls dream on! Prices will come down service is no guarantee but I'm putting my money on guys like Mr. Enternational, Eih Tooms, Monkey Paw, other regulars to reset things back a bit for a year at least? Look up not down joy is coming?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2445331]Seriously, I can't think of one reason I would recommend a single man or a group of single men to fly 24+ hours on a plane to get to Bangkok or Thailand in general if it weren't for the girls and P4P action here. To shop in fabulous malls? Ride an elephant? Feed a crocodile frozen chicken parts? Visit a temple? You can do that stuff anywhere. IF you would even want to, that is. Why bother to go all the way to Thailand to do it other than to say you did?[/QUOTE]Most people that I know who come to Thailand as tourists have Phuket/Phi Phi as number 1, elephant farm as number 2, and food as number 3. They never say anything about any temples or Grand Palace or anything about Bangkok for that matter. And to be fair, you can fuck chicks anywhere as well; no need to fly 24 hours for that either.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2445393]Most people that I know who come to Thailand as tourists have Phuket/Phi Phi as number 1, elephant farm as number 2, and food as number 3. They never say anything about any temples or Grand Palace or anything about Bangkok for that matter. And to be fair, you can fuck chicks anywhere as well; no need to fly 24 hours for that either.[/QUOTE]Well, I will be 67 years old soon. This week as it is virtually every week I need to figure out which slim, fit, cute, clean, non skanky, non drugged out, sweet demeanor, shaved pussy 20 something year old Thai girl I will agree to have come stay with me all night for Real Sex or a CIM (usually + Swallow) Blowjob or both and which night for less than $75 USD per Long Time and often much less than $60 USD in the heart of what ordinarily is a ridiculously comfortable major city.

Granted, the fact that I live here contributes to my dilemma in choosing among a half dozen different girls off the top of my head for which night and in which order. But I know holiday guys, old ones like me, who come here for a week or two at a time and they are often faced with the same dilemma within a day or two.

I can't say any of us think the action we get and the type of girls we get it with anywhere other than perhaps 1-2 other places on Earth, and certainly not our home countries, is anywhere near what we get in Bangkok.

Could we fuck chicks anywhere? Sure. But that's like saying we could sit in a shopping cart and get pushed around a gravel driveway anywhere. Or we could go to Disney World at a super discount price for a somewhat better amusement park experience 😁.

How many of you guys would return to Bangkok / Pattaya if there were no more bars, gogo bars, FL's, or FS massage joints. Online sex like TF still available but not at a low enough price to offset your plane tickets and hotel.

For me I would never return to Pattaya. There would be no reason to. Food is certainly not better than where I live and there is nothing there that would appeal to me as a tourist that I would say I miss and need to see again. Bangkok on the other hand I would return to a month each year. It's a vibrant big city and the variety of quality restaurants there is endless. I would miss places like Jatujak Market and the malls there are huge and decent to walk around in.

As I've been away from Thailand for a while now due to COVID I miss my regular girls but surprisingly am not missing much else. Once the COVID ends my first trip will be to the Germany FKK clubs before Thailand. Now whether or not the Germany FKK clubs will ever reopen again is another debate.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2445319]When I have been in a plane to and from Thailand it has never been full of mongers. When I have been at immigration coming into or leaving out of Thailand it has never been full of mongers. When I have been in the lobby of Suvarnabhumi it has never been full of mongers. When I see all these double decker tour buses they are never full of mongers. Maybe 1% mongers come to Thailand and 99% of everybody else. So what, if the 1% never comes back? And of that 1% how many actually go to Nana, Walking Street, Cowboy, Patpong, Bangla? The game is on the web now.[/QUOTE]None of us have actual number of what percentage of tourists come here are mongers. But it's way higher than 1%. Like ET said, there's no point it coming to Thailand, Bangkok / pattaya which are polluted af and have huge traffic problem. There are way more exotic locations just around Thailand, both from cultural and scenery perspective.

Even if 5-8% of people who visit Thailand are mongers, they spend a shit tone of money. We regulars have a limit usually how much we want to spend, because we pick 3-7 girls every week. Tourists especially Koreans / Japs who come here for week or two, have no such limits. They spend 10 k in club, then 10 k in next. LOL. Closing the reasons they come here makes no sense. And don't forget this is all black money, for which there are many places built to launder the money (uhh Optical shops which are fuckin everywhere), closing those would also affect these. Government would never close such establishments unless riding an elephant and visiting crocodile park also start charging BF and LDs worth 5 k.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2445399]Well, I will be 67 years old soon. This week as it is virtually every week I need to figure out which slim, fit, cute, clean, non skanky, non drugged out, sweet demeanor, shaved pussy 20 something year old Thai girl I will agree to have come stay with me all night for Real Sex or a CIM (usually + Swallow) Blowjob or both and which night for less than $75 USD per Long Time and often much less than $60 USD in the heart of what ordinarily is a ridiculously comfortable major city.

Granted, the fact that I live here contributes to my dilemma in choosing among a half dozen different girls off the top of my head for which night and in which order. But I know holiday guys, old ones like me, who come here for a week or two at a time and they are often faced with the same dilemma within a day or two.

I can't say any of us think the action we get and the type of girls we get it with anywhere other than perhaps 1-2 other places on Earth, and certainly not our home countries, is anywhere near what we get in Bangkok.

Could we fuck chicks anywhere? Sure. But that's like saying we could sit in a shopping cart and get pushed around a gravel driveway anywhere. Or we could go to Disney World at a super discount price for a somewhat better amusement park experience 😁.[/QUOTE]Well, I am 79 and 80 in a few months. I do all my playing in China. Lived in BK during Nam, different time then. I go to China and have a regular set up for the night I arrive, another regular for the next night, then out to KTV on Saturday night and pick a new one or even two. Then go from there to figure out who, when, where. Work schedule and business meetings and dinners have to be in the schedule, but never lonely.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2445400]How many of you guys would return to Bangkok / Pattaya if there were no more bars, gogo bars, FL's, or FS massage joints. Online sex like TF still available but not at a low enough price to offset your plane tickets and hotel.[/QUOTE]The only reason I appreciate Pattaya is the number and ease of finding girls in the gogos, bars and massage shops.

What will remain of Pattaya if they are destroyed? A sad city with buildings with swimming pools and fitness rooms with little interest even for passing tourists. In 1 day maximum I toured tourist attractions around. The beach is not attractive and is polluted, even activities such as diving are not attractive, everything that made the charm of Pattaya from the time when it was still a fishing village has been re-urbanized in any way.

Pattaya's urban plan was to concrete everywhere, difficult to find few places to relax, even the beach promenade is nondescript. Shopping centers have no interest, as long as going to spend my holidays in a city in Asia I prefer 100 times more Hong Kong or Singapore.

If I project myself only as a family vacationer, it's not in a city like where I will spend my vacation. Quite to come in the tropics, I prefer to go to places with beaches and nature that make me dream and really change my scenery.

*There are many much better places in Thailand (Phuket, Koh Tao, Koh Samet, Krabi.), the Philippines or elsewhere.

As for replacing them with Tinder or Thaifriendly, the choice is most often disappointing, as the photos and descriptions often do not correspond to reality.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2445401]None of us have actual number of what percentage of tourists come here are mongers. But it's way higher than 1%.[/QUOTE]But it is easy to estimate. My figure was based on being on plenty of flights in and out of Bangkok. Look around. The plane holds 150 to 200 people. I am one monger. Sometimes there are 1 or 2 more at best. The rest of the people are mostly families and young couples. Even older couples. There may be some single young ladies coming home to see family. A couple of businessmen.

3 mongers/150 people= 2%. It sure as heck is not 20%, 10%, or even 5% for that matter. What is the makeup of people on the flights other people are on?

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2445401]None of us have actual number of what percentage of tourists come here are mongers. But it's way higher than 1%. Like ET said, there's no point it coming to Thailand, Bangkok / pattaya which are polluted af and have huge traffic problem. There are way more exotic locations just around Thailand, both from cultural and scenery perspective.[/QUOTE]If the entertainment places close, it is likely that Korean, Japanese, Indian and Farang singles will never return.

Tourist buses (Chinese, others, etc.), even if they are numerous, probably not stay more than one maybe two days in Pattaya. They do parasailing and floating bananas once during the day and visit its sulphurous reputation even if they do not fit in the gogos. Walking and taking selfies in Walking Street to post them on Facebook or Instagram is enough for them. And they go on in Thailand. If WS no longer exists, the interest of the city does not exist either.

I would be curious to see the business plan that bets only on family tourists in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2445400].............. Once the COVID ends my first trip will be to the Germany FKK clubs before Thailand. Now whether or not the Germany FKK clubs will ever reopen again is another debate.[/QUOTE]I prefer German FKKs over all else but I don't see them opening anytime in the near or even not so near future. Germans are very organized and disciplined and businesses will be opened on a slow phased basis with FKKs and brothels being the very last. Thailand's flesh pots will be up and running long before Germany's.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2445341]I would agree mongers who come to play as a percentage of overall tourists has fallen but I feel the sex industry is still a significant component of the hospitality segment. Estimates of the numbers of Thais employed or free lancing in the business vary widely but it certainly runs into the hundreds of thousands. Pattaya may not look like the old days as it transformed from a fishing village to an destination for GI'S on leave but I would hazard a guess there are more girls working there now than 20 years ago.[/QUOTE]Speaking of Pattaya as fishing village, I was there in the middle 60's. Nothing there! Stayed at the Chairman of the Thai Senate's home. The only bar I remember was up on a hill (If you were standing on the beach, back to the sea, it was up on the hill to the left but not close. But of course, after 60 years my memory my not be perfect. I remember there was talk of some retired Air Force Officer building a Hotel.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2445421]If the entertainment places close, it is likely that Korean, Japanese, Indian and Farang singles will never return.
[/QUOTE]100% correct. If ever the entertainment places close down, asians, indiams, Farangs have no point to come. There will be Indian families who will come during summer break of their kids because of ease of coming here, there will very old Chinese / Japs group tours who will still come for sake of holiday to new country which is not far and still somewhat culturally similar. Farangs I see no point for them to come here, unless they want to teach English LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2445414]But it is easy to estimate. My figure was based on being on plenty of flights in and out of Bangkok. Look around. The plane holds 150 to 200 people. I am one monger. Sometimes there are 1 or 2 more at best. The rest of the people are mostly families and young couples. Even older couples. There may be some single young ladies coming home to see family. A couple of businessmen.

3 mongers/150 people= 2%. It sure as heck is not 20%, 10%, or even 5% for that matter. What is the makeup of people on the flights other people are on?[/QUOTE]Bangkok is also a very important air transit platform. For other places in Thailand or elsewhere in Asia or the Pacific. Not all passengers on a flight to Bangkok go to Pattaya finaly. Pattaya is a destination with a particular and specific theme. There may be a greater representation of men who come alone than in other places. I think 2% is a largely underestimated proportion. It is true that it is difficult to establish this ratio. But a fairer calculation, even an approximate one, would be more credible for example by taking the number of single men in hotels and condos at Pattaya. If the 3 mongers of all the planes arriving at BKK go to Pattaya and the other passengers in another place we will quickly have a large concentration of mongers in the same place. And there I think that their proportion would be very much higher than in an airplane.

Fair calculation based on personal observation :)

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2445414]But it is easy to estimate. My figure was based on being on plenty of flights in and out of Bangkok. Look around. The plane holds 150 to 200 people. I am one monger. Sometimes there are 1 or 2 more at best. The rest of the people are mostly families and young couples. Even older couples. There may be some single young ladies coming home to see family. A couple of businessmen.

3 mongers/150 people= 2%. It sure as heck is not 20%, 10%, or even 5% for that matter. What is the makeup of people on the flights other people are on?[/QUOTE]3 mongers /150? Few of my flights.

1. From Tokyo to bkk, plane was full of young guys (early 20's to late) and old alone dudes. I'd say 30-40%. And I have seen that ratio a few times.

2. From Delhi to bkk, lots of groups of guys, and ofcourse families too. But still not 3 out of 150, not even close.

3. Singapore and Hong Kong where I have travelled a lot last year, planes are full of Single man (not with anyone, don't know about their relationship status). I'd say 30%. Now how many of them are mongers and how many are here for business reasons (and both ofcourse), no one can tell by just looks.

4. Berlin, all they talk about in plane is about nana and walking street LOL, don't get me started. Obviously exaggerating about "all", but you got my point.

Never been to middle east, so can't comment about there flight demographics, bur maybe others can shed some light.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2445331]You know, the question I have asked myself many times over the years is why DO these non mongers spend the money, fly so many hours and go through the language and culture hassles to come to Thailand.

I get that vacationing families come to sight see, check out the Grand Palace, gawk at a temple or two, eyeball some amazing shopping malls and such. Maybe a trip to the crocodile farm, elephant ride and the floating market. But you can check all those boxes in 2 days. Then what?

I understand Bangkok is usually the top #1 or #2 visited city on Earth, usually competing with London for the top spot. But isn't much of that the result of it being a major airport hub pass through city? And many people who are on their way to another Asian destination decide, what the hell, might as well stay a night or two in Bangkok as long as I need to fly in anyway? And for that reason as well there might be business opportunities or meetings here.

Seriously, I can't think of one reason I would recommend a single man or a group of single men to fly 24+ hours on a plane to get to Bangkok or Thailand in general if it weren't for the girls and P4P action here. To shop in fabulous malls? Ride an elephant? Feed a crocodile frozen chicken parts? Visit a temple? You can do that stuff anywhere. IF you would even want to, that is. Why bother to go all the way to Thailand to do it other than to say you did?[/QUOTE]I remember about 10 years ago when China had a very active P4 P scene. It was centered in southern China in CP and CA. Mostly KTV places with hundreds of girls to choose from. Massage places (not my preference) and almost anything else you can imagine, but not so much "in your face" as Thailand. However it was quite an experience that I got to do a couple of times before the new president and crackdown. The cities were booming, taxi's going night and day, hundreds of restaurants, close golf courses, streets full of people night and day. In other words a real fun time! Then the crack down-streets empty--Restaurants closed--no taxi's running around--hotels empty--in other words, DEAD. It could happen to Thailand also.