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I'm stuck as well.
I've had success locating Mimi in Shanghai / Cracker. But it seems she was the only gal with external ads.
[QUOTE=Houzi;2081114]Thanks for the suggestion regarding time machine.
I tried it and got all the way to the overview of the girls, but when I want to see their details incl. Contact info, I end up with Error 404.
Any tip on how to get the last step done and get the contact info?
Highly appreciated![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BigPoppaII;2081494]One of my friends from Judy's is back in Saigon working in the food industry, her former profession. She would not tell me why but I suspect it was not voluntary. I did not hear from her for a few days and then she is in Vietnam and claiming she will not go back to Shanghai.
It seems that the situation is serious.
BP.[/QUOTE]Well, if you are a Tier 1 Viet girl, why even have the headache of going all the way to Shanghai to be hassled when you can take a shorter flight from Hanoi / HCM to Singapore and work the Brix? Some girls might have established friends / family in Shanghai they stay with but otherwise, I think the environment is probably worse. Hopefully this will die down in a few months.
[QUOTE=TheGuy;2081647]While current crackdown is undeniable, no reason to create hysteria. The Viet girls from Judy's and Manhattan are constantly returning home (and coming back).
This is a big party congress. Crackdown is proportionately big but we have no evidence it.[/QUOTE]Yes, that might be a reason that there is the most important party congress on 18th October and they clean a little bit streets.
But: the congress is in Beijing. So why crackdowns in Shanghai?
[QUOTE=TheGuy;2081468]Good time to make sure all precautions in place. For instance, never use wechat account linked to your ID when dealing with these establishments.
I see some saunas are offering takeout to known customers. But I plan to sit out till after party congress.[/QUOTE]So if I had an encounter with one of SNG's girls in the last month, and we arranged the the deed over WeChat, would this put me and other clients of hers in danger from the LE?
I realize that sounds a bit paranoid, but given that this sort of crackdown is unprecedented and Chinese authorities have proven unpredictable recently, maybe I should ask her to delete our conversations?
Not sure that would even help since all messages are at the government's disposal in the WeChat database.
Maybe I should just leave China.
[QUOTE=TheGuy;2081647]While current crackdown is undeniable, no reason to create hysteria. The Viet girls from Judy's and Manhattan are constantly returning home (and coming back).
This is a big party congress. Crackdown is proportionately big but we have no evidence it will be lasting.
Having said that, LE has never clamped down on private (non-pimped) arrangements, such as those between a man and woman at a bar. Also, SNG females appear still working privately. So there are options that LE is unlikely to care about. Focus in China is always on the businesses that profit directly.
Even in the USA, having a woman come to your apartment or hotel is relatively safe. LE only wants to hit the businesses, or lure Johns into their own traps.
Bottom line: Let's focus on facts and share info. Personally, I would not go into a sauna or illicit massage parlor at this time. But I'll work with known providers, or enjoy the game of trying to seduce legit massage therapists. Hopefully, saunas will be back.[/QUOTE]How safe do you think wechat is? If I have made arrangements with a girl from SNG in the past would I be in danger?
Sorry if this sounds paranoid but the crackdown just keeps getting worse from what I see.
[QUOTE=Lando1906;2081613]Hahhhh? I don't understand![/QUOTE]I'll make it easy. If what people are posting is completely factual, no it has never been this bad.
Hysteria is when people start jumping at the smallest thing and making it worse than it is. Since we are all communicating what we heard, I don't know if it's been exaggerated. If nothing has been exagerrated. This seems bad. We have also seen things like this blow over and business return to normal. Places like changping and Donguan (these were cities that basically became brothels and sex destinations for men) went through this and never returned to former glory however.
If I was there, I would not play there.
Good as ever. Nice mix of Viet girls plying the trade. Judy's, Red Moon also active, even some girls just waiting along the street. Prices as usual.
Seems that's the way to go until pressure on saunas, massage parlors eases.
I remember when several saunas shut down last year. Huge, 5-star one never reopened. Massage places stopped showers in room for some reason. We'll see how landscape looks when dust settles after Party Congress.
I went to a MP today. They wouldn't even do oil massage, despite it being on the menu. And I had to wear my boxers under their blue shorts. They're all expecting to be raided any minute.
The girl did say she expected it to return to 'normal' on October 19th. We'll see.
In the meantime, play it safe!
[QUOTE=TheGuy;2081895]Good as ever. Nice mix of Viet girls plying the trade. Judy's, Red Moon also active, even some girls just waiting along the street. Prices as usual.
Seems that's the way to go until pressure on saunas, massage parlors eases.
I remember when several saunas shut down last year. Huge, 5-star one never reopened. Massage places stopped showers in room for some reason. We'll see how landscape looks when dust settles after Party Congress.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Yeahm8;2081735]How safe do you think wechat is? If I have made arrangements with a girl from SNG in the past would I be in danger?
Sorry if this sounds paranoid but the crackdown just keeps getting worse from what I see.[/QUOTE]My only concern was belonging to a WeChat group where I didn't know all the members in real life. In one past version some poorly vetted chat members ruined one KTV organizing chat-room by posting craploads of fecal porn. Not everyone's cup of tea. I am pretty certain that my chats with providers I have connections with are genuine. That is to say that they haven't been detained and so I sure that I am not actually chatting up someone from Shanghai PD. I base that on references to our prior relationship and the level of grammar and vocabulary being consistent with what I know of these women. Also continued posts to their moments showing their life moving along that are consistent with our conversations.
So I guess if a provider stopped posting pics of her life and times in SH and suddenly her english got much better or much worse you might have concerns but short of that I think WeChat as a social media is not monitored by China's NSA, at least not for these purposes. I could be wrong but then we're all busted.
[QUOTE=Yeahm8;2081722]So if I had an encounter with one of SNG's girls in the last month, and we arranged the the deed over WeChat, would this put me and other clients of hers in danger from the LE?
I realize that sounds a bit paranoid, but given that this sort of crackdown is unprecedented and Chinese authorities have proven unpredictable recently, maybe I should ask her to delete our conversations?
Not sure that would even help since all messages are at the government's disposal in the WeChat database.
Maybe I should just leave China.[/QUOTE]My two cents, for what they are worth:
Q: Why a crackdown in all cities, not just Beijing?
A: Important people from all over China are now jockeying for power. Sending reporters / LE to busy local houses of sin to embarrass city officials in the press could derail an opponent's career at this sensitive moment in time. Variations on this theme happen all over the world, not just China. The only defense is to be squeaky clean.
Q: Why have some bars with foreign WGs and customers stayed relatively untouched over the years?
A: The Chinese people seem less concerned about foreigners screwing each other than they are about their own people. If foreigners screw each other, maybe they will leave Chinese girls alone.
Q: Will they go after individual arrangements on Wechat, etc?
A: I can't imagine less bang for the LE buck. China is not puritanical. Big business on wechat is another story.
[QUOTE=Zoltan123;2081969]My only concern was belonging to a WeChat group where I didn't know all the members in real life. In one past version some poorly vetted chat members ruined one KTV organizing chat-room by posting craploads of fecal porn. Not everyone's cup of tea. I am pretty certain that my chats with providers I have connections with are genuine. That is to say that they haven't been detained and so I sure that I am not actually chatting up someone from Shanghai PD. I base that on references to our prior relationship and the level of grammar and vocabulary being consistent with what I know of these women. Also continued posts to their moments showing their life moving along that are consistent with our conversations.
So I guess if a provider stopped posting pics of her life and times in SH and suddenly her english got much better or much worse you might have concerns but short of that I think WeChat as a social media is not monitored by China's NSA, at least not for these purposes. I could be wrong but then we're all busted.[/QUOTE]I'd use wechat as long as the phone is not linked to my ID. Technically, any Chinese phone number should be linked to the user's ID. So it's smart to maintain one wechat for regular interaction and an anon wechat for mongering.
[QUOTE=FiftyShades;2081985]My two cents, for what they are worth:
Q: Why a crackdown in all cities, not just Beijing?
A: Important people from all over China are now jockeying for power. Sending reporters / LE to busy local houses of sin to embarrass city officials in the press could derail an opponent's career at this sensitive moment in time. Variations on this theme happen all over the world, not just China. The only defense is to be squeaky clean.
Q: Why have some bars with foreign WGs and customers stayed relatively untouched over the years?
A: The Chinese people seem less concerned about foreigners screwing each other than they are about their own people. If foreigners screw each other, maybe they will leave Chinese girls alone.
Q: Will they go after individual arrangements on Wechat, etc?
A: I can't imagine less bang for the LE buck. China is not puritanical. Big business on wechat is another story.[/QUOTE]Yeah, foreigners are not the target. We're collateral damage. Most saunas almost never see a foreigner.
Private arrangements are fairly safe since they are hard to convict, even under Chinese law (with few rights for accused). The Chinese shut down prostitution in a few other cities because they were becoming Pataya. Not the case with Shanghai.
[QUOTE=TheGuy;2081647]While current crackdown is undeniable, no reason to create hysteria. The Viet girls from Judy's and Manhattan are constantly returning home (and coming back).
This is a big party congress. Crackdown is proportionately big but we have no evidence it will be lasting.
Having said that, LE has never clamped down on private (non-pimped) arrangements, such as those between a man and woman at a bar. Also, SNG females appear still working privately. So there are options that LE is unlikely to care about. Focus in China is always on the businesses that profit directly.
Even in the USA, having a woman come to your apartment or hotel is relatively safe. LE only wants to hit the businesses, or lure Johns into their own traps.
Bottom line: Let's focus on facts and share info. Personally, I would not go into a sauna or illicit massage parlor at this time. But I'll work with known providers, or enjoy the game of trying to seduce legit massage therapists. Hopefully, saunas will be back.[/QUOTE]It is true that they go back and forth, since I know her she's been back five times. Typically every month. One time she just went for a day to Hanoi, did not even leave the airport.
Again, I don't know why, but something happened to make her change professions. Hopefully it is just temporary.
BP.
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[QUOTE=BigPoppaII;2082030]It is true that they go back and forth, since I know her she's been back five times. Typically every month. One time she just went for a day to Hanoi, did not even leave the airport.
Again, I don't know why, but something happened to make her change professions. Hopefully it is just temporary.
BP.[/QUOTE]
Alright boys, I was one of the fellows that fell into the mess at the end of August, using sng. Everyone that was caught that night had contacted the girls via Judy within at least the last TWO weeks. Steve and Judy were both caught. From what I know they got to Judy first and used her wechat to find some of us. Also a couple of the girls were being trailed by LE for at least two weeks. The order for these busts came from up high, beyond the police chief of shanghai. Bribes did not work, one person claimed to of tried a 100 k rmb bribe.
Once caught we were detained for 24 hours then issued a 10-15 day "Administrative Detention" only 1 call allowed prior being sent to detention location where embassies were contacted in around 3-5 days, no other outside contact beyond that. While there more shanghai locals came in, we were the only foreigners. During the 8th or 9th day, rumors of more raids came in from spas, MP, and saunas, a total of 80-100 detained.
The Administrative detention is considered a slap on the wrist and as far as I know will not impact employment directly unless your employer has connections and decide to dig deep but you will have to explain going missing for 10-15 days. 2 were let go with a 500 rmb fine, I do not know the reasons why.
As far as I know the raids might go on for a bit longer and might extend into November. If you contacted Judy in the last month I suggest staying away from shanghai, at least 2 foreigners were brought in and detained TWO weeks after the fact. They will go to your hotel to pick you up and look up hotel security cameras for proof of girls entering and leaving your room.
If you do get caught, put on 2 pairs of shirts and 2 pair of boxers and if you can 2 pair of pants, you will need it.
GL.