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Last time I was in Santa Fe I did not get robbed or stabbed either. But I had a weird guy follow me. And say things to me. Not sure if he would pull out a knife or try to sell me drugs. So I ducked into a small corner restaurant and waited there for 10-15 minutes and then left, half walking, half running until I got to my hotel San Francisco.
Landed late Friday night, headed to the Grand Park Hotel. Looked good in pics, but hated it when I arrived. A girl I met on Milerotico in August met me at the hotel and stayed the night. Next morning, I booked a room at the Embassy Suites by Hilton. Should've booked there the first time.
Santa Fe:
Next morning, I went to Santa Fe to checkout the scene. Had a quick visit with a cute girl (name slipped my mind) for 40 k. Probably overpaid for the services, nothing to write home about. Didn't get stabbed. LOL. I didn't walk around either. Just had the car sit outside and wait on me. I prefer driving around, negotiating at the car window, and then getting out and going in. It could be the safest place in the world and that's how I would do it. It's easier, my driver can help me negotiate, and everything is settled before I even step out of the car.
Mezzanine:
Next, I went to Mezzanine. Didn't know where it was, but saw another post that said it was near the Dann Carlton Hotel. I googled Mezzanine and Ababellas de la 104 popped up and it was close to Dann Carlton. Had the driver take me there. Saw "Mezzanine" signs outside on the second floor of the building. Walked up the stairs (stairs are outside: from other posts I somehow thought this was inside cause the girls would open the doors in lingerie. Nope, it's outside and the door opens up to the outside) and walked around towards the back. The first door opened and the girl that opened was gorgeous. I didn't bother looking at the other girls. Quoted 250 k that included BBBJ. Tiny room and you do most of the action standing up, but it was nice. I really liked it. Would definitely go back.
Agency Outcall to Room:
Then I had a girl come to my room at Embassy Suites. Found her on mileroticos, turned out to be an agency ([URL]eroticasbogota.com[/URL]). They asked which girl I wanted and I picked Salome. I'm certain I overpaid. The site said it was 250 k and BBBJ was included. She said BBBJ was not included, but it was a must for me, so I offered more money. Finally settled on 350 k. Again, probably too much, but I have zero regrets. She was a sweetheart and very good at what she does. A major bonus was that she spoke English. It wasn't perfect, but it was pretty good. Of the options (Santa Fe, spa, and outcall to hotel) I much prefer the outcall. When the girl arrived, she was sent to the reception desk. They called and I said she could come up. No issue at all. But I haven't tried a second guest at this hotel yet so we'll see how that goes tonight.
Now it's a little after 6 pm And I'm not sure I can go another round. Three in one day is a bit much. But, I will definitely have one more girl come over tonight and then I fly out in the morning.
[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2673495]Being mugged is not the end of the world. In Colombia and probably in all Latin America I recommend not taking the latest iphone out of the hotel and just go out with a cheap android phone. Also don't take too much money in cash at once (this one is pretty obvious everywhere in the world I think). Then if you actually get mugged, you do nothing stupid like fighting or arguing, you just hand your trash android phone + the little money you took out from the hotel. No trip should be ruined for that IMO. Of course a different story is getting shot or stabbed, and yes that happens to a lot of Colombians every day. But not in the SF or in the most touristry places. And as I said if you don't fight or argue and just hand all your belongings you should be fine.
But I stand my point about the SF neighborhood. It's extremely safe at least if your worry is getting robbed. Let's put it like this, a lot of Colombian thieves visit the SF often, but when they go there is to spend the loot, they are not "working" there.[/QUOTE]A few years back, before Maduro and Covid it was like you say, give up a cheap phone and throw a few Pesos and you can get away from Colombian thieves. Ask anybody familiar with Bogota and it's not Colombians but the very violent Venezuelan gangs, many of the Venezuelans shoot first why rob later. Here is a quote "First they murder and then they steal, we need guarantees for Colombians," said the local president in a statement.
There is a very violent gang of Venezuelan immigrants in Bogota that will not fall for that trick. Listen, I'm not saying SF is another 'EL BRONX" but is not a safe place. I hope your attitude doesn't get you hurt. As far as Woodman goes, he's a great guy and knows SF well in fact I met him in SF years ago and he does a good job. You can go there and have a good time but have a cavalier attitude when there, it can get you in big time trouble. I didn't write this to condemn SF just some information that might help keep some newbies safe.
[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2674043]A few years back, before Maduro and Covid it was like you say, give up a cheap phone and throw a few Pesos and you can get away from Colombian thieves. Ask anybody familiar with Bogota and it's not Colombians but the very violent Venezuelan gangs, many of the Venezuelans shoot first why rob later. Here is a quote "First they murder and then they steal, we need guarantees for Colombians," said the local president in a statement.
There is a very violent gang of Venezuelan immigrants in Bogota that will not fall for that trick. Listen, I'm not saying SF is another 'EL BRONX" but is not a safe place. I hope your attitude doesn't get you hurt. As far as Woodman goes, he's a great guy and knows SF well in fact I met him in SF years ago and he does a good job. You can go there and have a good time but have a cavalier attitude when there, it can get you in big time trouble. I didn't write this to condemn SF just some information that might help keep some newbies safe.[/QUOTE]Beware of anyone that calls any 3rd world RLD "It's extremely safe".
I've been there and think anyone that thinks its extremely safe is a fool and is going to find it isn't.
I've also been to Tijuana a million times and there are many mongers that say its extremely safe, why? Because they haven't been killed, yet?
And you also have to look at different variables a big guy 35 yo 6 foot 6 and 325 lbs all muscle may have less risk than the older BM that in his 60's.
With a limp and bad heart.
Telling the whole world on ISG SF is extremely safe is extremely reckless at best.
I will be in Bogota next week till the end of the month. I will be staying near Zona T. Send me a PM me if you would like to grab a drink and share stories.
I have a long list of SA girls this time ready to meet me for a fee. More than enough to cycle through them during my stay several times over even if a significant portion of them do not pan out. Some of them are college students and some of them speak pretty good English. Anyway, this will be my first experience with them and it will be like a box of chocolate. You never know what you will get. Regardless, there is always the tried and true route of escort agencies there.
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Agency Outcall to Room:
Then I had a girl come to my room at Embassy Suites. Found her on mileroticos, turned out to be an agency ([URL]eroticasbogota.com[/URL]). They asked which girl I wanted and I picked Salome. I'm certain I overpaid. The site said it was 250 k and BBBJ was included. She said BBBJ was not included, but it was a must for me, so I offered more money. Finally settled on 350 k. Again, probably too much, but I have zero regrets. She was a sweetheart and very good at what she does. A major bonus was that she spoke English. It wasn't perfect, but it was pretty good. Of the options (Santa Fe, spa, and outcall to hotel) I much prefer the outcall. When the girl arrived, she was sent to the reception desk. They called and I said she could come up. No issue at all. But I haven't tried a second guest at this hotel yet so we'll see how that goes tonight.
[/QUOTE]No, you did not overpay. BBBJ is always an extra price with eroticasbogota. The price is clearly listed on their website. I believe those extra services the girls get to keep completely and not share it with their agency which is an extra bonus for them.
I visited SF twice. First time, no issues.
Second time I was robbed by a streetwalker who rifled though my clothes while she was giving me a BJ. I suspected but wasnt sure until after, and damn, with hands that fast she should be a magician.
It was my fault really for being careles.
Compare that with 7 visits to Angles City, robbed once. Also by a stretwalker in my room. Also because I was careless.
So is SF "Safe? Well, you decide.
My Novias brother was working in the voting polls yesterday, in Colombia if they solicit you to work the voting in Colombia you need to go or they fine you or worse. So her brother was instructed to go work in Suba, another dangerous area, his last phone was robbed so he was using his mothers phone yesterday to stay in contact with the family. He was very aggressively robbed by 3 guys, Venezuelans, at gun point and he was dressed as a local duh. No Jewelry bla bla bla A street savvy guy 24 yrs old, near the voting area. Then one guy held the gun to his head while the other 2 ripped his pockets open looking for money and stole the phone and a few pesos he had for the transmillenio. Now no phone for him or mommy. He went to a relatives house in Suba to sleep and that was the last I heard.
Listen please. People around, doesn't mean A THING, night time day time none of it is a guarantee you will be safe. Bogota, in general is a very dangerous city now. It was dangerous 10 years ago but exponentially more so in the last 3 years. I use to think it was dangerous to walk around Rua Djalma Ulrich around the corner from Help, in Copa but that was a walk in the park compared to these days in Bogota. Hopefully my experiences in Bogota will keep some guys safe and I'm sure others will thing they know it all and will continue to defy the odds but nobody knows when or where it will happen but it WILL happen sooner or later.
I don't want to get involved in the "Santa Fe is safe / dangerous" debate, but I'm in Bogota right now, and been here a while, and just wanted to share my 2-pence worth.
I wanted to see Santa Fe with my own eyes, and walked there one Saturday afternoon, carrying no phone, little money, and wearing dirty clothes with a full face-mask, cap etc so as not to stand out. I did a walk where all the main clubs are (Fibre etc) and saw many girls standing around. I saw 10-year old kids on bicycles handing little packets to older guys, and of course, the expected assortment of druggies, down-and-out characters and zombies.
I didn't monger with any girl, although there were many very bangable ones.
I have also been to casas in Chapinero. In one of them (here you go: Calle 64 # 15-34) I can have a beer for 6 K, have a "un rato" with any of the girls for 30 K. Last Tue, there were 12-15 bangable chicas, but only about 6-8 on Sat. I've enjoyed the company of some of them. The vibe in here is pretty good with lots of comings and goings, and a bit of a party atmosphere.
I've banged numerous chicas in other casas for 35 K, and almost all times getting a good service. I've had BBBJ and CFS at Spa Tantra for 50 K with a lovely girl.
So, the question I ask myself is. Why would I pick up a SW in Santa Fe (with the imaginary / real risks) when I can enjoy the comfort and safety of a casa for the same price?
And when the girls in a casa have more incentive to give better service. Having said that, I can, however, see the attraction of going into the clubs in Santa Fe (esp with friends) and making a real evening of it. And the girls there are probably higher quality (or they may seem like it due to the makeup, lighting, attire, club atmosphere).
I'm not trying to persuade anyone to either go to or not go to Santa Fe (or the casas). I really have no dog in this fight. To each their own. For those who enjoy Santa Fe, great, and for those that don't like it, that's fine too.
Santa Fe is just one option in the city where there is a lot of pussy to be enjoyed.
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I didn't do any mongering during the day as I need to get some real life work done after moving to a new Airbnb closer to SF. Ordered some food off of Rapi, watched some TV, then decided to walk over to SF around 10 pm. Once again, I knew the clubs would be closed due to Ley Seca.
Once in SF, I was quickly disappointed. There were maybe 4-5 bangable girls working in the main 3 block area. It was kind of dead overall with significantly fewer people around than the night before. This is understandable as it is Sunday night in a South American country. I had two sessions and decided to test my Colombiana vs. Venezuelan pricing theory. The Colombian wanted 50 k (LOL ok fine) and then Venezuelan asked for 35 k. Just as I expected. Standard service and wasn't rushed either time. Both were friendly, though of course this isn't Brazil so you aren't getting top notch service.
I left around 1130 and walked back to my Airbnb. Did not get robbed or stabbed.
[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2671771]Don't know about ABNB, but I stayed at the Hotel NH Collection Bogot Andino Royal and absolutely no problems at all with bringing girls at all hours of the day and night.
It's a very nice hotel with a great rooftop terraza where I entertained a couple of civvies before banging them (for free) in the room.
At TiaVoyage25 and at GoldMembr. I would love to meet up and share experiences etc, but I cannot DM anyone, because I cannot seem to figure out how to pay the $25 subs. My credit cards are all getting rejected by Coinbase. Does anyone know how I can get around this? My cards are from UK based banks, and phoning the banks and explaining this whilst I'm in Bogota is not so straightforward.
I suspect my cards are not "3 D secure". And in addition, many credit cards do not permit crypto transactions.
Anyway, on a brighter note, I went to a casa on Calle 57 today, Chapinero, and banged 4 chicas, each "un rato" for a 35 K, as a trial run. I don't even do 30 minutes anymore if it's my first time with the girl. I just want to check her attitude, compatibility and general demeaner in the room. Out of the four, I will repeat with two of them for a longer time on my next visit.
One was a Venezualana with a big ass. Perfect. Afterwards, the asked if I wanted her phone number, and if I lived close by. I think she wants to do a private deal, which I would be more than happy with.[/QUOTE]Hey Fudi,
Great info. On chapinero casas. Would you happen to have an exact address on the calle 57 casa? Not on the map. Any other specific recommendations with addresses in the general area besides.
The already mentioned Calle 64 # 15-34 and Tantras?
Found this link on another forum.
[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1CX1vHGuVsmU_8yLjh7e8kCQQ7F_uTduz&ll=4.652436578191971%2C-74.06181521424033&z=16[/URL]
Do these places look like bars or are they houses?
[QUOTE=DiegoSan4;2674362]Hey Fudi,
Great info. On chapinero casas. Would you happen to have an exact address on the calle 57 casa? Not on the map. Any other specific recommendations with addresses in the general area besides.
The already mentioned Calle 64 # 15-34 and Tantras?[/QUOTE]Diego,
Mtljay kindly posted a wonderful map, a couple of posts after yours. That is a great way to locate the casas.
The one of Calle 57 is called "Rosquillas 57" on that map. The location is very accurate. And don't worry about not finding it. As soon as you get near it, a guy wearing a luminous orange water-proof coat will see you and hand you a little slip, and he'll take you to the door if you maintain eye contact with him. I've just come back from shagging a couple of chicas from there right now.
However. If you want 7+ quality girls, then this is not the right place. They're pretty average looking here, and a couple are even unshaggable. But I like the girl next door types with big asses, and I find them here. Today at 2 pm, there was only 1 other guy apart from me, and only 4 girls. Last Mon at 6 pm, there were 6 girls and 4-5 guys. I guess there is a sweet spot for the timings, after people finish work.
MtlJay - "Do these places look like bars or are they houses?
Good question. All they have a basic dirty looking door. That's it. Nothing else. There are no signs, no neon lights and nothing to indicate what goes on inside. They would be very hard to find if it wasn't for the guys standing at the door saying "chichas?" as you walk past, or handing you a little slip with the address on street corners nearby.
Once inside, the two that I am a regular at, are like a bar. Loud music, porn playing on TV (or a soccer game if one is on), you can just have a beer for 6 K and chill. No pressure to bang, and no sense of feeling at risk or being taken advantage of. I speak practically no Spanish, and I'm the only extranjero in these places, but I feel fine. The staff now recognize me, and give me a fist-pump as I enter.
The number and quality of girls various a lot. Sometimes there's a lot of shaggable ones, and sometimes, very few.
Sadly, I cannot figure out a way to pay the $25 sub for this wonderful forum (coinbase rejects all my credit and debit cards), otherwise I'd be up for PM's and meeting up.
[QUOTE=Mtljay;2674382]Found this link on another forum.
[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1CX1vHGuVsmU_8yLjh7e8kCQQ7F_uTduz&ll=4.652436578191971%2C-74.06181521424033&z=16[/URL]
Do these places look like bars or are they houses?[/QUOTE]Those are mostly if not entirely houses. (casas). What other forum did you find it on? It says that it was published 8 days ago but that could have been the last update date?
It looks fairly up to date making it a gold mine of exactly what I was looking for. Any idea if it really was only published 8 days ago and thus completely up to date?