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[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I have viewed the last 10 pages or so of this thread and have not found the answer to my question.
How much is the average monthly stipend nowadays to support a TG and her family obligations?
OAH[/QUOTE]
That's probably because so few of us who contribute to this thread are stupid enough to find ourselves obligated in that kind of situation. :)
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I have viewed the last 10 pages or so of this thread and have not found the answer to my question.
How much is the average monthly stipend nowadays to support a TG and her family obligations?
OAH[/QUOTE]Well I was stupid enough (blinded by TG magic) to support a girl for a few months, also in order to get her to come with me on a holiday (stupid I know).
They will try to get about 40k baht, with a minimum of 30k.
There's the car (10k), the baby / daddy / mummy / crumbling house in Isaan, the room in BKK, etc...of course when you try to get all the details on exact expenditures it gets fuzzy! But they will give you some details sometimes to make it realistic.
When you only give 10k ("it's ok, I'm happy you help me tilak"), be sure they will come back to you later in the month asking for the remaining 20k+.
Magic.
O.K. Daddy07, watch it.
OldAsiaHand,
Not being too stupid, that is a very hard question even for me to answer. But use your common sense and think about it first even for Thailand. It's going to depend on so many factors? How many in family, what are you supporting, house, car, etc... and what expectations does she have from you and you better watch out for the " up to you line " Thais like to use. If you get the wrong women you're in for a wild ride because no matter how much you give them it will never be enough since they don't have to pay for it.
LBM
Thank you Magic and LBM for your candid answers. Daddy07, I believe they are not all bad, just most of them.
It's a typical story so I won't bore you with the details. I know I should know better having lived in Thailand for over 10 years in the past, being fluent in the language and having heard so many horror stories in the past.
I've heard all of what Crazykf describles except there is no baby or car, but there is a brother, an auntie and a grandmother.
It never ceases to amaze me how strong a TG's desire is to support everybody in their family. And, to sacrifice their own well being to that end. Must we accept and pay for this if we as farangs want a relationship with a TG from a poor upcountry family?
Let's assume for the moment that we are not talking about the conniving bargirl that has been on the game forever and is receiving inward remittances from multiple fools overseas while continuing to work. Let's assume that we are not talking about the TG that stays with a farang but still has a Thai husband or boyfriend on the side. As rare as it may seem to many of you, let's assume we are just talking about a TG with that strong desire to do everything she can for her family that falls in love with a farang that obviously has more money than she does.
My question was intended for farangs married to or living with TGs from poor families in long term relationships. How much are you handing over every month? How much extra have you done for her and her family; bought a house, bought a car, rebuilt the house upcountry, bought a farm, paid off the loans, etc.?
It has been awhile since I contemplated getting involved again. Many friends tell me to run as fast as I can. Are there absolutely no TGs out there that are genuine and do not just consider a farang to be an ATM machine?
OAH
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Thank you Magic and LBM for your candid answers. Daddy07, I believe they are not all bad, just most of them.
It's a typical story so I won't bore you with the details. I know I should know better having lived in Thailand for over 10 years in the past, being fluent in the language and having heard so many horror stories in the past.
I've heard all of what Crazykf describles except there is no baby or car, but there is a brother, an auntie and a grandmother.
It never ceases to amaze me how strong a TG's desire is to support everybody in their family. And, to sacrifice their own well being to that end. Must we accept and pay for this if we as farangs want a relationship with a TG from a poor upcountry family?
Let's assume for the moment that we are not talking about the conniving bargirl that has been on the game forever and is receiving inward remittances from multiple fools overseas while continuing to work. Let's assume that we are not talking about the TG that stays with a farang but still has a Thai husband or boyfriend on the side. As rare as it may seem to many of you, let's assume we are just talking about a TG with that strong desire to do everything she can for her family that falls in love with a farang that obviously has more money than she does.
My question was intended for farangs married to or living with TGs from poor families in long term relationships. How much are you handing over every month? How much extra have you done for her and her family; bought a house, bought a car, rebuilt the house upcountry, bought a farm, paid off the loans, etc.?
It has been awhile since I contemplated getting involved again. Many friends tell me to run as fast as I can. Are there absolutely no TGs out there that are genuine and do not just consider a farang to be an ATM machine?
OAH[/QUOTE]
Short answer: DON'T GET INVOLVED WITH ANY POOR TG! Period.
Why in Gawd's name would you want to? What do you have in common? You are guaranteed to get involved in the minutae of her family's problems: the inevitable deadbeat brother, the younger sister who needs school fees, the house that's falling down and needs replacing. The sudden need for a new motorcycle, or truck, new appliances for the house etc. etc. The only reason Farang get involved with these tiresome drains on one's life and finances is because it really easy.
It may take more effort. But, get a middle class girl. If she wants any money, it will be modest. I used to give mine 7500/month, while she was studying. But, when she got a job, I stopped and she was fine with that, because she had her salary. She even started contributing to the household expenses, at least in terms of buying groceries. You certainly won't have to help with her family. They'll all have good jobs and income. My GF's brothers are all cops, her sister works for a 5-star hotel in Shianghai, her father was a district government minister and is now retired. He is building a brand new house in her village in Isaan, and I have never been asked, nor have I contributed one single satang to its construction.
It's all very normal.
I don't consider myself exceptional in this regard. All my friends have similar types of GFs or wives and similar experiences.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]B/ The Thai guy usually corresponds in looks to the Thai girls that the majority of Farang men go after.
The added feature here is that they often seem to fall into two main categories: Muay Thai Boxers or Motorcycle taxi guys or something similar[/QUOTE]
I've known quite a few farang girls (teachers of course) who had Thai boyfriends, and almost to a man those fellows were Southerners. Southerners are much bolder and more macho, as I understand it. But I have to say I've never met a farang female who dated any Thai guy who was below middle class...
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Thank you Magic and LBM for your candid answers. Daddy07, I believe they are not all bad, just most of them.
It's a typical story so I won't bore you with the details. I know I should know better having lived in Thailand for over 10 years in the past, being fluent in the language and having heard so many horror stories in the past.
I've heard all of what Crazykf describles except there is no baby or car, but there is a brother, an auntie and a grandmother.
It never ceases to amaze me how strong a TG's desire is to support everybody in their family. And, to sacrifice their own well being to that end. Must we accept and pay for this if we as farangs want a relationship with a TG from a poor upcountry family?
Let's assume for the moment that we are not talking about the conniving bargirl that has been on the game forever and is receiving inward remittances from multiple fools overseas while continuing to work. Let's assume that we are not talking about the TG that stays with a farang but still has a Thai husband or boyfriend on the side. As rare as it may seem to many of you, let's assume we are just talking about a TG with that strong desire to do everything she can for her family that falls in love with a farang that obviously has more money than she does.
My question was intended for farangs married to or living with TGs from poor families in long term relationships. How much are you handing over every month? How much extra have you done for her and her family; bought a house, bought a car, rebuilt the house upcountry, bought a farm, paid off the loans, etc.?
It has been awhile since I contemplated getting involved again. Many friends tell me to run as fast as I can. Are there absolutely no TGs out there that are genuine and do not just consider a farang to be an ATM machine?
OAH[/QUOTE]Staring off into the inky black rainy Phuket-Andaman Sea sky tonight, blinking my eyes a lot, thinking about this thing of yours a lot, a little too much maybe.
How many of us have been down the same road? Maybe all of us, (except for Daddy07 I suppose.) In my case it was Chiang Mai. Was doling out astronomical amounts, maybe 80-90K+ Baht/month.
One morning, after years of confusion and wistful clenched teeth pinched eyed agony, I just got out of bed, looked at myself in the mirror for a very long time, went outside, took a few deep drags off of Marlboro, flicked it into the road, and with absolute finality said to myself 'you are an idiot for trying to hold this thing together for so gadamm motherfucking long, fuck it', then, without looking back, I just left.
How many of us have done the same thing? Mai reu krup.
To answer directly? It's never the same, but I believe that there is a point between 20K and 25K that allows most Thai girls to simply nod out and leave you alone.
As opposed to what others may have said, I think that there are many of us out there that still feel that little twinge of pain, still get the little headaches off to one side, stlll feel the little confusions of the old hurts, and ultimately, understand the reasons why you are asking about this in the first place. It has nothing to do with stupid brother, nothing at all.
[QUOTE=Opebo]I've known quite a few farang girls (teachers of course) who had Thai boyfriends, and almost to a man those fellows were Southerners. Southerners are much bolder and more macho, as I understand it. But I have to say I've never met a farang female who dated any Thai guy who was below middle class.[/QUOTE]Shitballs, that's easy to explain. Northern Thai guys Are all gay. Seriously.
[QUOTE=Barko]Shitballs, that's easy to explain. Northern Thai guys Are all gay. Seriously.[/QUOTE]
You may be right but I don't see why you've felt it necessary to call me 'shitballs'. I mean it was just that one time...
;)
[QUOTE=Crazykf]Well I was stupid enough (blinded by TG magic) [/QUOTE]
Saying that there is "TG Magic" is the same as saying that Jesus Christ will come back to earth...
There is no such thing as TG Magic... all there is is dumb ass foreigner that come from abroad, only got laid with one white whale and get crazy once they see a tight pussy. They are not magicians, we are fools.
[QUOTE=Opebo]I've known quite a few farang girls (teachers of course) who had Thai boyfriends, and almost to a man those fellows were Southerners. Southerners are much bolder and more macho, as I understand it. But I have to say I've never met a farang female who dated any Thai guy who was below middle class...[/QUOTE]
Yes, I agree. Southern guys too. The girls like the aggressiveness, dark skin and Malay features. But, I stand by what I said. I've known loads of Farang women who have hooked up with tattoed rougnknecks from Isaan, many of whom are also bxers.
But, I've also known some who've dated middle-class and up Thai-Chinese. So, there is still some mixture of tastes.
[QUOTE=Barko]
How many of us have been down the same road? Maybe all of us, (except for Daddy07 I suppose.) In my case it was Chiang Mai. Was doling out astronomical amounts, maybe 80-90K+ Baht/month.[/QUOTE]
When you guys start talking about these large sums of money, which seem to take centre stage in the discussions, it should be a clear warning sign that you've gone down the wrong path with the wrong sort of Thai woman, whether "reformed" P4P, or impoverished, naiive, village girl.
IMO, guys like this all have a warped, screwed-up sense of the reality of Thai women, because they have narrowed their focus and experience to such an extent, they only know one type of girl, and from that incorrectly surmise that all Thai women operate on the same basis. Also, Isaan farmgirls, especially after what they've seen and heard about Farang from working in bars, or, in the case of the naiive girl, from the local matchmaker and on Internet dating sites, also have a fucked up (through need and pure desperation) view of Farang. It's a mutually poisonous situation. These girls aren't Thai, but pure Isaan and they think differently, than girls from the rest of the country.
If you always limit yourself to poor Isaan girls of one type or another, you're doomed to repeat the money cycle and the accompanying pain involved, over and over and over again.
Sorry. But, it IS STUPID!
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Sorry. But, it IS STUPID![/QUOTE]Whatever you say.
We had a 350 square meter house on 10 Rai with an unadulterated view of 30 kilometers of rice fields & Doi Suthep, 3 cars, and traveled to the US, China, Japan & Europe together. She was a university professor probably still is, whelped from a wealthy Chinese family, spoke 9 languages. And me, well OK sure, like you said, I was just a stupid fucking idiot.
Different train of thought here from what you may have assumed perhaps. ;)
At any rate, our relationship reflected the realities of the modernist 20th Century educated couple in Asia.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]...If you always limit yourself to poor Isaan girls of one type or another, you're doomed to repeat the money cycle and the accompanying pain involved, over and over and over again.
Sorry. But, it IS STUPID![/QUOTE]
This is what often happens to Farang who fall in love with Thai women and start giving them money -- they end up insane living in a junk car: :D
[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/news/2009/may/news_29_05_52.shtml[/url]
[QUOTE=Daddy07]This is what often happens to Farang who fall in love with Thai women and start giving them money -- they end up insane living in a junk car:[/QUOTE]Heh. That is the funniest shit I have seen all day. Am I warped or what?
Hope that isn't you someday Daddy0. :D