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[QUOTE=TheMercySeat;2719610]
Haven't been reading the forum for some time, but checked it out today and it seems that some people here has lost there brain.
In the 90's I travelled a lot in Poland and that country with the rest of Eastern Europa was shit scared of Putin![/QUOTE]Shit scared of Putin? In the 90's?
Check your memory; find your brain.
[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2719787]High time for a petition, to introduce death penalty for guilty parties in The Hague.[/QUOTE]The Hague is only for Africans and Yugoslav patriots. The Nazi USA state has the Hague Invasion Act whereby they wil invade the Netherland if any of their own vermin face justice.
[QUOTE=TheMercySeat;2719610]Hi to my fellow mongers in these dark times. Stay safe![/QUOTE]These are not dark times. Maidan, which you attended was dark times. Nazi snipers, burning trade unionists to death in Odessa.
Here's an excerpt.
"But what Russia is doing in Ukraine—specifically what it did on Thursday in the city of Vinnytsia, and in many locations before that—demands to be seen. Because Russia is reserving its most sophisticated weapons to deliberately attack targets unrelated to any military goal, far from the battlefield, for the purpose of maximizing civilian deaths. All war is hell. People, both soldiers and civilians, suffer and die. But what Russia is doing in Ukraine isn't war. It's terrorism. ".
[URL]https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/7/14/2110299/-Russia-should-be-designated-a-state-sponsor-of-terrorism-and-that-s-just-the-start[/URL]
With that I'm done here for a while so the Russia sympathizers / propaganda spreaders are free to pile on. It's summer. I'm planning a trip down south and have a load of work to do. Let the readers and especially the lurkers decide who has the more accurate and cogent arguments. That's actually who my posts are for, not the handful that have already made up their minds and aren't listening anyway.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2720038]Here's an excerpt.
"But what Russia is doing in Ukrainespecifically what it did on Thursday in the city of Vinnytsia, and in many locations before thatdemands to be seen. Because Russia is reserving its most sophisticated weapons to deliberately attack targets unrelated to any military goal, far from the battlefield, for the purpose of maximizing civilian deaths. All war is hell. People, both soldiers and civilians, suffer and die. But what Russia is doing in Ukraine isn't war. It's terrorism. ".
[URL]https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/7/14/2110299/-Russia-should-be-designated-a-state-sponsor-of-terrorism-and-that-s-just-the-start[/URL]
With that I'm done here for a while so the Russia sympathizers / propaganda spreaders are free to pile on. It's summer. I'm planning a trip down south and have a load of work to do. Let the readers and especially the lurkers decide who has the more accurate and cogent arguments. That's actually who my posts are for, not the handful that have already made up their minds and aren't listening anyway.[/QUOTE]Russia is fucked. The HIMARS and other Western weapons have pretty much changed the war. In the last 2 weeks Ukraine armed forces has destroyed two dozens weapon and oil depots and command centers far behind the front lines in the East and South. And there is nothing Russians can do against them. HIMARS are working too good. And that's just 8 HIMARS and a few British GMLRS! Can you imagine when they get 40 or 50? Poor Merdo Immorales et al will have a seizure.
Since there is nothing that Russian (well Soviet) artillery can do on the battlefield, they're doing what they do best. Kill civilians. There is no high-precision weapons they can spare for strikes on residential areas anymore (those have been severely depleted). From what I'm seeing, they just fire old Soviet unguided munitions like howitzers and artillery rockets. The might even aim or claim to aim at military infrastructure targets, but they know they're killing civilians. There is no humanitarian law or treaty that Russia hasn't violated so far. There will be a hell to pay when the time comes.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2720171]Since there is nothing that Russian (well Soviet) artillery can do on the battlefield, they're doing what they do best. Kill civilians. There is no high-precision weapons they can spare for strikes on residential areas anymore (those have been severely depleted). From what I'm seeing, they just fire old Soviet unguided munitions like howitzers and artillery rockets. The might even aim or claim to aim at military infrastructure targets, but they know they're killing civilians. There is no humanitarian law or treaty that Russia hasn't violated so far. There will be a hell to pay when the time comes.[/QUOTE]Ruskie military doctrine is very simple and easy to understand. If the enemy doesn't roll over and surrender? Then just level the place!
[QUOTE=TheCane;2720182]Ruskie military doctrine is very simple and easy to understand. If the enemy doesn't roll over and surrender? Then just level the place![/QUOTE]Exactly, but the liberals do not understand this. Just like producing massive amounts of oil would bring down inflation, and bring Putin to his knees. This is common sense, but they would rather throw money and weapons at the war, all this does is keep the conflict going and now Russ is winning, indirectly. Putin can careless about collateral damage.
Ukraine looses either way, but there government is too stupid to realize this. So sad!!
[QUOTE=Golfinho;2719872]Shit scared of Putin? In the 90's?
Check your memory; find your brain.[/QUOTE]I guess you think about that Putin didn't become president until after 2000. Well he was on the seen before that as Boris Jeltsin man to be. He thought he would follow his path further. Little did he know that Putin tricket him and only agreed to come in power. Jeltsin admitted his mistake very soon after Putin come to power. Other people has always known that Putin was a hardcore KGB man with his own agenda before he came president. This scared people.
The real problem now is that Russia is fucket even if they win this war. Now that they have shown their true face not many countries will have anything to do about them. China might help but it won't be enough for all the loss of BNP that they will have. The standard of living will get worse with time and it will be interesting to see how the russian people will react on the longterm effects.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2720182]Ruskie military doctrine is very simple and easy to understand. If the enemy doesn't roll over and surrender? Then just level the place![/QUOTE]Yes, you're right but with a qualification: if they can.
What we're seeing today in Ukraine is that Russians are having a severe shortage of munitions. And not just high-precision artillery, but regular, old-school Soviet munitions as well. They are forced to fire S300 surface-to-air missiles against land targets. In the meantime, Ukrainians have received high-precision HIMARS and other similar weapons that have allowed them to destroy 2 dozens of high-value Russian targets deep behind the front lines in less than 2 weeks. Also consider this:
1. No one has ever won a war against the whole world.
2. Russians are already forced to take smart chips out of washing machines to use in their artillery.
3. Ukraine has said they've already received longer-range, (up to 300 km), weapons. This is a death sentence to Russian logistics (the ones they received before have the range of 80 km).
4. Russians will keep targeting civilians in attempt to instill a steep price for Ukraine to continue fighting. That's futile. Ukraine will keep fighting because they're smart enough to know they don't have another option. Putin CAN NOT be trusted.
5. I don't believe that Putin and his cronies will resort to using nuclear weapons, BUT.
6. The domestic political situation in Russia will worsen to the point of no return within a year or two, and then anything can happen. The final fall of the Russian Empire will be much bloodier and catastrophic than the collapse of the USSR.
It is what it is. Ukraine didn't start it. The West didn't start it. Putin started it to his own (and his country) detriment.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2720438]Yes, you're right but with a qualification: if they can.
What we're seeing today in Ukraine is that Russians are having a severe shortage of munitions. And not just high-precision artillery, but regular, old-school Soviet munitions as well. They are forced to fire S300 surface-to-air missiles against land targets. In the meantime, Ukrainians have received high-precision HIMARS and other similar weapons that have allowed them to destroy 2 dozens of high-value Russian targets deep behind the front lines in less than 2 weeks. Also consider this:
1. No one has ever won a war against the whole world.
2. Russians are already forced to take smart chips out of washing machines to use in their artillery.
3. Ukraine has said they've already received longer-range, (up to 300 km), weapons. This is a death sentence to Russian logistics (the ones they received before have the range of 80 km).
4. Russians will keep targeting civilians in attempt to instill a steep price for Ukraine to continue fighting. That's futile. Ukraine will keep fighting because they're smart enough to know they don't have another option. Putin CAN NOT be trusted.
5. I don't believe that Putin and his cronies will resort to using nuclear weapons, BUT.
6. The domestic political situation in Russia will worsen to the point of no return within a year or two, and then anything can happen. The final fall of the Russian Empire will be much bloodier and catastrophic than the collapse of the USSR.
It is what it is. Ukraine didn't start it. The West didn't start it. Putin started it to his own (and his country) detriment.[/QUOTE]You are completely delusional. Stop watching CNN.
[QUOTE=Golfinho;2719872]Shit scared of Putin? In the 90's?
Check your memory; find your brain.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=TheMercySeat;2720363]I guess you think about that Putin didn't become president until after 2000. Well he was on the seen before that as Boris Jeltsin man to be. He thought he would follow his path further. Little did he know that Putin tricket him and only agreed to come in power. Jeltsin admitted his mistake very soon after Putin come to power. Other people has always known that Putin was a hardcore KGB man with his own agenda before he came president. This scared people.[/QUOTE]When somebody does what Golfinho just did with you, a kill shot, the best move is to not post and come back and spread your bullshit with a different name. You were caught lying. The best move you could have made was say, "Oh, I got the timing wrong. My bad. " Instead, you just dug yourself in deeper by following up your first lie with a second one.
Now do the predictable and attack me. Just stop it. Come back to the discussion with another name. Mercy Seat now means liar.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2720438]5. I don't believe that Putin and his cronies will resort to using nuclear weapons[/QUOTE]What does "I do not believe" mean percentage wise? 10%? 20%? If it is anything other than a zero or a hair above that, you are out of your effing mind.
[QUOTE=TheMercySeat;2720363]The standard of living will get worse with time and it will be interesting to see how the russian people will react on the longterm effects.[/QUOTE]Sadly for the average Russian, many will just wallow in vodka and pass on at an early age.
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2720648]Sadly for the average Russian, many will just wallow in vodka and pass on at an early age.[/QUOTE]Alcoholism is way down and life expectancy way up (but not FR Ukrainian Nazi soldiers) since Putin took over. Take your Nazi talk back to Hamburger land.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2720514]What does "I do not believe" mean percentage wise? 10%? 20%? If it is anything other than a zero or a hair above that, you are out of your effing mind.[/QUOTE]If Putin starts losing or we escalate, he will definitely not stop. He will do what it takes to win. Pauline and Exman are to stupid to realize this, but these guys do not want to negotiate. Great strategy, everyone loses, but the arms dealers and producers.
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2720648]Sadly for the average Russian, many will just wallow in vodka and pass on at an early age.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2720672]Alcoholism is way down and life expectancy way up (but not FR Ukrainian Nazi soldiers) since Putin took over. Take your Nazi talk back to Hamburger land.[/QUOTE]Wow, Merdo isn't lying this time. I know, hard to believe, but true. Life expectancy in Russia is way up compared to 2000's, and the alcohol consumption is down (mainly due to the drug-replacement 'therapy', LOL). It needs to be remembered, however, that Russia holds 103rd place in the world, between Libya and Bangladesh, and besides, all-blown wars historically don't do well for life expectancy.
[URL]https://www.infoplease.com/world/health-and-social-statistics/life-expectancy-by-country[/URL]