Fortaleza

i'll be in fortaleza with 2 mates for the very first time in brazil on 29th dec, on to rio 4th jan.

we don't speak portuguese, but hey ho let's see what happens.

[quote=spidy; 1104963][b]zipi bar. [/b]

jd garbanzo comments hold true as of december 2010.

i still find zipi bar to be lots of fun and enjoy the relaxed atmosphere, more so than some of the other clubs, if i'm simply looking to chill and admire the garotas. great staff (who are available for pick-ups) and the new neon improvements, make the club even more exciting. note: i only received 1-drink with my r$10 entrada fee and found some days the entrada is free or if you arrive real late at night (1am). about 30+ girls every day during the peek of the night.

some nights i would just stand outside (with a beer from the street vendors) and watch the action come and go at zipi's. for me this was a lot of fun, since there was also some very very nice sws, just outside the gas station, by the parked cars across the street. primarily a group of about 3 or 4 blonde gdps (which imho were 7. 5s & 8s) , dressed in a daisy duke like fashion. tight cut-off jeans, tits hanging out in a tight fitting shit of some kind. you get the idea. many of their clients seem to be the young brasileiros with cars, whom they seem to know on some sort of social level. anyway, wasn't sure what to make of it, but i found this quite entertaining to watch.

[b]miami bar. [/b] still closed. not sure if it's for good, or just in a holding pattern waiting for new owners.

[b]europa bar. [/b] also still closed. also not sure if it's for good, or just in a holding pattern waiting for new owners.

[b]cafe de mar[/b]. (r$10 min. consumption). cannot report on this club, as i did not go into the club, as it seemed pointless to spend money there, when most all the girls end up at forro mambo anyway after about 1pm.

[b]forro mambo. [/b]

jd garbanzo comments hold true as of december 2010.

i paid r$15 entrada, beer r$8-10 +10% service tax added upon the start of consumption. most of the gdp action ends up here from about 12am-5am. the quality of girls seems fairly good, almost as good as previous years, with enough semi-pros to make it interesting. but for me the real gfe semi-pros are hard to find, as with previous years. i found that the most of the girls to be take a very professional attitude instead of a playful attitude, which inevitably turns me off. most girls wanted r$150 for tln (which really is about 2 or 3hrs until about 7pm or 8pm, longer or shorter depending on when you get out of mambo, which was about 3-5am most times) , but some will come down to r$100, with $20-10 for taxi.

[b]heineken bar / black & white bar, reggae bar and others. [/b] for those who like the slightly quieter venues, some of the other bars in the immediate area, offer food, drinks and games (like pool, darts) to enjoy the evening. they also have a good number of gdp girls hanging out in these venues.

in the early morning, if the girls (or hobbyists) have not scored at forro mambos by closing (5am) , they will typically congregate at the reggae bar (which closes about 6am-7am) or the late night lanchonette (just above the reggae bar) , as a last ditch effort score a client, before taking the bus home or to work in the morning.

[b]armazem [/b] wednesday night is the spot for armazem ('warehouse') , with a r$20 entrada and beer r$7. with a decent mix of non-pros, semi-pros and pros, it probably houses at least some 400+ women every wednesday. although my guess is only about 10-15% of women are non-pros. armazem, has a huge forro dance floor in the centre of the club and most of the people in the club will occupy this space during the night, as compared to the two (2) smaller disco dance floors on either side of the main forro dance floor. so as always in the northeast, it is helpful (but not mandatory) , if you can dance a little forro, for scoring brownie points with the girls. again most of the girls were asking r$150 (tln, but in reality was maybe 2-3hrs, by the time you left armazem).

[b]atlantis / coco beach. [/b] took a couple of trips to the beach area close to atlantis and coco beach to check for daytime action and was very disappointed as i saw none, that i could tell. there were perhaps one or two girls that were perhaps gdps, but as i watched for several minutes, they remained low-keyed and i could not with a good degree of certainty determine if they were gdps. so as reported with the regards to the crackdown of gdps at the praira do futuro beach area, i would concluded that it is still in effect.

[b]sw (street walkers) [/b] sws, numbers were less than in previous years along av. ambolico down to zipi bar / the gas station. most can be found at the barracas on beira mar and especially near mcdonalds on beira mar, on most evenings from around 7-8pm until 12-1am. the asking price with range from r$80-100 for 1hr.

warning: on several occasions, on av. ambolico (close to / near the habib's restaurant) , i ran into some very cute sws with very nice tight bodies and cute looks. since they looked a little on the young side (and dress a little on the sparse side) , the first question out of my mouth was 'quantos anos você tem? ' (how old are you?) as it turns out, unfortunately, they were ****. i wished them good luck and a good night and continued my stroll to iracema. so once again always ask for their age and ids to verify and confirm.

in the centro area, the sws are no longer found in the parks and are now (it seems) only located in the square (the praca with the big merchado, in front of the teatro jose de alencar on rua general sampaio). however, all i found here, were the worst of the worst. most are of gdps are 2s and 3s with the odd 5s. the asking price with range from r$20-30 for 1hr. nearby motels are r$6-7 for 1hr.

the only other option were some of the small drinking bars, spread throughout the centro area, but the gdps in these bars weren't any better. as with other cities this trip (manaus, belem, rio) , there seem to be a big lack of sws. i guess the prefeituras are cleaning house. with the exception being the sws transvestites, which i found to be growing in numbers.

[b]new centro boite. [/b] there is a new boite in centro, located across from the park (praca dos martires, on rue dr. joao moreira, the one with the beautiful, huge old tree) near the army barracks. free entrada (just pay for want you consume, although the doorman may tell you r$10 min. consumption, if he thinks you're a gringo). beer r$3-4, smirnof r$5-7. about 10-15 girls, that are mainly 5s. 6s with the odd 7s. programa r$50-70 / hr (although some girls will quote you r$50/70 for ½ hr). small in size, but decent enough bar, to spend an hour or so enjoying a beer. but it gets very busy (around 5pm-9pm) with the after work crowds as the guys get off work. but this can also be very entertaining as well, since many of the working brasileiros go absolutely wild with the strip shows, when the stripper (naked) goes into the crowd to pick a guy for a free hands-on / mouth-on table dance.

[b]hotels / flats. [/b]

•data man hotel, rua dom manoel • iracema (r$45 / day, w / cafe de manhã) , tel: (85) 3219. 0833. yes gf!

•hotel aquarius, av. monsenhor tabosa. 1078 (r$75 / day or r$65 if you pay cash, w / cafe de manhã) , tel: (85) 3089. 8800. yes gf (+r$20 if she stays overnight, with single occupancy).

•flatshop, av. monsenhor tabosa. 1001 • iracema. quoted r$110 / day. 2-bedrooms, cable tv, internet all include.

website:

[url]http://www.flatshop.com.br/2008/site/pt-br/index.php.[/url]

[b]summary. [/b]

it has been a few years since i was in fortaleza and overall i found it too still be a great place for hobbyists. yes many things have changed, many things have become expense and the quantity and quality of gdps has dropped, compared to past years. but again, enough cute girls to satisfy some of you hungry sharks.

so i spent about 9 days in early december 2010 and sessioned only 5 times (maybe i'm just getting old). two (2) from forro mambo, two (2) sws and one (1) from a beira mar barraca. it would have been nice to session with a few more girls from forro mambo, but the cost to pull a gdp out of there just becomes outrageous when you consider, r$15-entrada, r$50-drinks / serv. tax (avg. a couple of drinks for you and a couple of drinks for the girls) , r$10-15-taxi-to-hotel, r$100-150-gdp, r$10-20-taxi. total is r$185 (on the low-end) to r$250 (on the high-end). with that kinda price tag, rio (with all its flaws) looks pretty good.

now i know one of the big appeals to fortaleza is the non-pro / semi-pro action. non-pro action while appealing to me, seems (imo) to require too much time and effort to implement on a short stay and there's never any guarantees you'll end up sleeping with her. i've had some success in the past with non-pros, but invariably turned out to be a more of headache and a costly one in most cases. so i tend to mostly stick with the semi-pros. and due to the lack of them, fortaleza was somewhat disappointing this trip.

so with prices creeping steadily upwards, the lack of semi-pro gdps (imo) and sws, the absence of daytime beach gdps, anti-sexual tourism campaign (although i personally did not experience or see any altercations this trip, their presence was felt) and the long traveling distance for me, will make it a tough decision when deciding to come back again, when i compare it to the cost of hobbying in rio. but it still remains a good mongering / vacation destination alternative to rio. [/quote]

please elaborate on this part:

with one pretty hot but very young-looking one who was sort of off by herself in the kitchen chain smoking. it was quite a scene.

[quote=jd garbanzo; 1097237]i was in fortaleza in august and met nomi, kept in contact, etc. now i'm back and she came to my place around noon the day after i arrived. she doesn't speak english, i speak very little portuguese (tho it's getting better) , but we get buy on spanish / portuguese. nomi says that she's trying to give up the life: hasn't been to mambo, zipi, etc for a month, got a new / better / higher-paying day job, etc. this girl loves cerveja, but says only after 4pm (something about not drinking "during the day" even though 4pm is still day, i think). other than food, drinks, shopping, etc, i'm not paying her for sex this time around.

after a quick tumble in the sack to reacquaint ourselves, we went to lunch and to unlock an iphone 3g i brought for her (. anyone coming to brasil and meeting up with a girl may want to bring an older generation iphone. this one cost me $100 in the us, but similar models cost $600usd here because of 100% import taxes. a new iphone 3gs that we saw in iguatemi in august cost $900usd! no way i was buying that, but the cheapy used iphone from the us made a great impression on her.)

last time, i made it only to iracema, beira mar, and praia futuro. centro is what you'd expect. lots of people, lots of hawkers, activity, etc. lunch in a self-serve (by weight) place. while waiting for the iphone unlocking work to be done, she rolls up my sleeve and talks about how she adores my tattoo. last time, she said she was going to get it. i ask if she wants to go get a version of it and she smiled wide and said "sim, sim, sim". off we go to a shopping area that was filled with tattoo and piercing places. we negotiated with one place. they wanted r100 which she said was too much. got to the place she got her last tattoo and they did it for r60. picture attached.

ok, so we shop around a bit more. the iphone unlocking took forever, like 3 hours. she looks at some makeup, we're a little bored, and she looks at her watch. magic time: 4pm and time to have some beers up in the little "food court" area. finally get the iphone and head to my apartment around 6pm. she says we can party in the apartment, but she doesn't want to go out. no mambo. cool by me. i had a 12-pack in the fridge and nomi tells me it's not going to be enough! we start drinking, listening to some music on the tv and youtube, smoking cigarettes. about 6 beers and and hour or so in she showers, we have another roll in the hay and a beer together and she says she wants to go out tonight after all, just not to the "puta-rias" (or something like that. her words, said with a laugh). she then lights up and says something about going to her friend's then to clubes "normal, normal, normal!"

so we head out and go to porto do iracema down the block, and apartment building very close the the action spots. she wryly asks me if i know the place, and i explain that my friend bijou from last time stayed here. she says that its where many of the girls have shared apartments so they can work easier, etc. we go up to one of these. it's like a 2 bedroom and there were literally 10 girls in there. some her friends, others she doesn't know. she disappears in the back talking to one of her friends (later, i found out they hadn't talked in weeks and she'd been trying to reach this girl without response, etc). some of the girls get me a beer and ask me to sit, and they all come around asking me questions (name, from, speak portuguese). girls would show up out of the back rooms, some with a pack of smokes to share, others just carrying their beer and smoking. most of the girls were 5-6s with one pretty hot but very young-looking one who was sort of off by herself in the kitchen chain smoking. it was quite a scene. we leave after 30 minutes or so. they asked for beer money for later. i gave r20 and they seemed happy.

off we go to a cab. at the time, i think we're going to some local club in centro. traffic is a nightmare and we finally get out and turn the corner into centro and it's a huge festival. festa natal. the entire square is wall to wall people, the buildings are filled with lights (angels, christmas trees, streaming lights of green and red and gold.) , the square is ringed by food carts with all kinds of different stuff. the coolest thing i saw there was right away as we walked in. one of the old brick buildings had like 6 stories, with the facing wall having 5 "windows" across. the side of the building was also partially visible and it had more like 10 "windows" across. turns out, these "windows" are open to the air and more like a balcony under an archway. in time to the music, each "window" was filled with people part of the show, dressed in red, swaying in time to the music. looked like something out of a dr. seuss book. surreal effect. i wish i would've brought my camera, but nomi had told me not to, and to wear only flip flops, store my watch in the safe, etc. i guess she was worried about "ladrones" because, again, the place was mobbed with people.

we force our way through, grab some beers from a corner guy. trying to give r2, i accidentally pull out r100 and they all laugh at the gringo. we're at this for 90 minutes or so, drinking probably 4 grande beers each in that time. she's got to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url], and we wait in a long line for the porta-potties. nomi's fairly drunk by now, and she burned some fellow partier with her cigarette while dancing samba to the christmas music, now she almost gets in a fight when some of the girls in front of her in line let a pregnant woman go in front. nomi then jumps to the front and goes in when the pregnant woman comes out. luckily, though they pounded the door some, the other girls let it go.

next, some food from one of the stands, but nomi spots a guy bringing around tequila shots and orders us 3. one each, one to share. didn't need that. cuervo regular. ugh. at least he had salt and lime. while we're eating shish kabobs and fries and, of course, drinking more beer, nomi is chatting away with a couple about tattoos and whatever else and she gets some food down the wrong pipe. ugly scene of choking, coughing, me thinking i need to try the heimlich on her (never done it) , running eye-makeup, tears, mucous, the whole 9 yards. a good minute of this. finally, she clears it and gets help cleaning up from me and the people she was talking with. the festival is ending, too (it's about 10:30 i think) , and it's definitely time to head out. taxi's were impossible. we tried for 15 minutes and nomi comes up with the "brilliant" idea of getting two moto-cabs (basically you ride on the back of a motorcycle with the driver). she tells them r5 each. oh shit. i'm a big guy. 250lbs. the drivers each tell me to go to the other one. of course they want nomi as a passenger not me. the unlucky loser finally tells me to get on, and off we go! shit, shit, shit, these guys are whizzing in and out of traffic at pretty high speeds, we're bottoming out as we go over crests and bumps because of the weight. wow. absolutely nuts. maybe only 5 minutes, but i never want to do that again.

we stop early. where are we? right by mambo and cafe del mar. i screw up again with only r100 to pay the moto guys so nomi goes to get change while the guys shake their heads at me. we settle, and nomi, pretty wasted now, starts walking us towards forro mambo. i ask her "didn't you not want to go here?" she says no problem, just drink and dance. problem is, it's only about 11pm and it's not open yet. so, we go off to zipi. it's only 11, but it was packed already. most tables were taken, but there was one near the stripper pole and mirrors, which i grabbed. tons of hot girls there. hope to get a chance to sample on another night. nomi spends a long time in the bathroom (she was still just in her shorts and tee shirt from being together all day. she didn't bring a bag) because her hair and makeup was in bad shape from the choking incident. i order beer from the same waitress as in august, we chat a bit. i see lots of familiar faces, and i'm hoping diana, another girl i kept in touch with but whom i didn't tell i was coming, doesn't show up. i did see julia, a little spinner from last time, but we haven't kept in touch, so it was just a nice hello, how are you. nomi comes out and she's in the mood for dancing. and making out. and pole dancing. and biting my neck and face. and tonguing me / making out a ton more. for any of you there last night, i apologize for the way-too-much pda. man, i thought she was going to do me right there in front of the mirrors at the back of zipi bar. every chance i get, i'm telling her, let's go home and make love because by now it was best to get out of public. we finish our beers and, thankfully, grab a cab and are whisked back to my apartment around 12:30.

first thing, cold shower. then hot sex for an hour. awesome, uninhibited, animal sex with all the noise and mess associated with such. it was intense! next, beer! damn, this girl can't stop drinking beer. and smoking. two packs between us throughout the night (she doesn't smoke until after dark. about 5:30pm. another funny time-based rule for nomi). i don't even smoke at home. feeling it now. soon enough, nomi wants to go out and grab some food. says it'll be quick. we walk all the way back (10 minute walk) to one of the little restaurants outside forro mambo. normal night-time scene out there: girls everywhere in and out of mambo and cafe de mar, homeless guys asking change, vendors with trinkets, etc. she orders us beer (of course) and two big bob sandwiches (like a burger with ham and egg and cheese. perfect order, actually, for all the drinking we'd done). we're watching ufc and she's hopping off to talk to a girl here or there that she knows. i notice diana sitting at a table behind me. i'm sure she saw me, but hoping not. ok, done and walking back, passing the transvestite and / or transsexuals along the way back, including a scene with some local guy, the police, and a transsexual arguing about something. he probably found something in "her" pants he didn't expect.

home at last. bed time. not so fast. nomi wants to drink more beer. i tell her to go for it, but i'm going to shower and bed. she pouts a little but is fine. she's watching musica tv and drinking / smoking and i drift off. not sure how much later, i wake up to nomi climbing on top of me whispering "eu quente. eu te quero, agora!" shit. not because she wants me, but i'm out of condoms, and she doesn't have any either. we're playing and moaning, but i'm trying to cool it off. she keeps whispering / moaning "eu quente" and she's on top and she slips it in. i tell her we can't, she says "eu quente" so i go with it, but pull out in plenty of time and unload. ok. done. what a day / night. this morning, she had a bad hangover, didn't remember getting food or our last little quente session together.

she left a couple hours ago, but said she'll be back at 9pm tonight. i may have a hard time slipping this one and checking out the scene a bit more, at least until after her birthday (which is monday). she has to go back to work tuesday, but i'm sure the garota gossip network will have my ass in hand for her when i get with another girl next week. assim é a vida. [/quote]

[QUOTE=Gavilan; 1106592]Please elaborate on this part:

With one pretty hot but very young-looking one who was sort of off by herself in the kitchen chain smoking. It was quite a scene. [/QUOTE]Of course that part interested you.

I hope Jackson kick your ass.

[QUOTE=Gavilan;1105729]Sounds like what I need. 15-18 whyear old where can they be found?[/QUOTE]

[url]Http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?882-Egypt&p=1105729&viewfull=1#post1105729[/url]

I had a question about this place, because several people mentioned it has a lot of programa girls on Wednesday nites. I went there twice on Wednesday nites, the first time in 2008, and the second time this past November.

Usually programa girls make eye contact or smile, or do something to let you know. This is true at Mambo, Zipi club and other places that have programa girls. I did not see this the two times I went to Armazem. So my impression was that the programa girls that were at Armazem the two Wednesdays I was there, were taking the nite off and just going to Armazem for fun and dancing, not to work. But other posters have said they really were working. If so, why the lack of eye contact or smile? Why were they not acting like programa girls that were working? I am not trying to deny what other posters have written. They may be right. I am just curious as to why the GDPs were acting different at Armazem than at other places. If they were working, shouldn't they let you know?

It's just a more casual scene. I was there once without my girl and approached / talked to several girls. All seemed to be at least semi-pro except one, who was clearly turned off by my conversation. I then went there twice with my girl (Nomi) , and, while she wasn't working because she was with me, she has worked there and greeted lots of her GDP friends there. I also recognized quite a few from Mambo, etc. Maybe because there's more of a mix of non-pros, the pro girls are less aggressive, too? Dunno, but they are there.

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1107639]I had a question about this place, because several people mentioned it has a lot of programa girls on Wednesday nites. I went there twice on Wednesday nites, the first time in 2008, and the second time this past November.

Usually programa girls make eye contact or smile, or do something to let you know. This is true at Mambo, Zipi club and other places that have programa girls. I did not see this the two times I went to Armazem. So my impression was that the programa girls that were at Armazem the two Wednesdays I was there, were taking the nite off and just going to Armazem for fun and dancing, not to work. But other posters have said they really were working. If so, why the lack of eye contact or smile? Why were they not acting like programa girls that were working? I am not trying to deny what other posters have written. They may be right. I am just curious as to why the GDPs were acting different at Armazem than at other places. If they were working, shouldn't they let you know? [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gavilan; 1106592]Please elaborate on this part:

With one pretty hot but very young-looking one who was sort of off by herself in the kitchen chain smoking. It was quite a scene. [/QUOTE]Nothing to elaborate on. It was just an observation that the young-looking girl wasn't interacting much with the rest. She may or may not have been of age, but I wasn't interested in finding out.

[QUOTE=Jd Garbanzo;1107694]It's just a more casual scene. I was there once without my girl and approached / talked to several girls. All seemed to be at least semi-pro except one, who was clearly turned off by my conversation. I then went there twice with my girl (Nomi) , and, while she wasn't working because she was with me, she has worked there and greeted lots of her GDP friends there. I also recognized quite a few from Mambo, etc. Maybe because there's more of a mix of non-pros, the pro girls are less aggressive, too? Dunno, but they are there.[/QUOTE]I was not trying to say that many programa girls were not there. I'm sure they were. So I am not surprised your girl recognized many GDPs there. My question is were they working that nite, or just going there to dance or whatever. (It is unlikely that every GDP there was working that night. Every person needs a nite off). I was only there twice, but I didn't get the smiles or eye contact that I got with the GDPs at other places like Mambo or Zipi, where they let you know.

Also, it is so loud in Armazem that it would be hard to pick them up even if they knew English. Much harder in Portuguese. They should give some signs if they are working. That would make it easier. We might try to pick up one who is not a GDP, but you think she is, since it is hard to tell which is which in Armazem, unless you live in Fortaleza, and already know them from other bars. Unlike places like Zipi, Cafe del Mar and Mambo, where you already know they are ALL GDPs. At Armazem you may be talking to a non-pro, and ask her how much, and you may get slapped! The combination of the loud music, the mix of working pros and non-pros, and also some pros who are not working that night, and the Portuguese language, make it very difficult to know who to approach. Much easier to know who to approach if they smiled or made eye contact as in other places. Not sure, but maybe it would be easier for someone who spoke good Portuguese. You are entitled to your opinion, but I personally found it to be a difficult place to meet GDPs. If I return in the future, I would only go to Armazem if I had a date.

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1107779]I was not trying to say that many programa girls were not there. I'm sure they were. So I am not surprised your girl recognized many GDPs there. My question is were they working that nite, or just going there to dance or whatever. (It is unlikely that every GDP there was working that night. Every person needs a nite off). I was only there twice, but I didn't get the smiles or eye contact that I got with the GDPs at other places like Mambo or Zipi, where they let you know.

Also, it is so loud in Armazem that it would be hard to pick them up even if they knew English. Much harder in Portuguese. They should give some signs if they are working. That would make it easier. We might try to pick up one who is not a GDP, but you think she is, since it is hard to tell which is which in Armazem, unless you live in Fortaleza, and already know them from other bars. Unlike places like Zipi, Cafe del Mar and Mambo, where you already know they are ALL GDPs. At Armazem you may be talking to a non-pro, and ask her how much, and you may get slapped! The combination of the loud music, the mix of working pros and non-pros, and also some pros who are not working that night, and the Portuguese language, make it very difficult to know who to approach. Much easier to know who to approach if they smiled or made eye contact as in other places. Not sure, but maybe it would be easier for someone who spoke good Portuguese. You are entitled to your opinion, but I personally found it to be a difficult place to meet GDPs. If I return in the future, I would only go to Armazem if I had a date. [/QUOTE]Ok, I thought you had a question, but it looks like you know the answer already. You don't like Armazem as a place to find GDPs, which is fine. To be clear, I picked up GDPs there when I was not with my girl and my girls' friends were indeed working when they were there. As I said, it's a different vibe and may take a different approach.

[QUOTE=Jd Garbanzo;1108574]Ok, I thought you had a question, but it looks like you know the answer already. You don't like Armazem as a place to find GDPs, which is fine. To be clear, I picked up GDPs there when I was not with my girl and my girls' friends were indeed working when they were there. As I said, it's a different vibe and may take a different approach.[/QUOTE]

No, I was sincerely curious about what other guys were actually doing to meet GDPs there, and how they avoid propositioning non-pros, and how they knew who to approach, (if we don't know which ones are GDPs). No one has explained it. By that I mean "a different approach" was not explained. The scene there seemed difficult, since GDPs at Armazem are not as forward as in places like Mambo club, and it is hard to tell the pros from non-pros. Especially difficult picking them up in Portuguese while the music is blasting. That is why I wrote this thread, just out of curiosity to find out what others were doing to meet GDPs there, and not to express dislike of Armazem. This is my final post on this thread about Armazem.

We're just about to leave here and head to Rio, but it was a lot of fun.

I'll give a brief run down of things from a newbie's point of view and hopefully other newbie's will be able to take something from it.

First night we headed to Zipi's and bearing in mind I haven't experienced anything like this as yet, it took us 20 mins or so to feel comfortable with how it all works.

I think Zipi's was all our personal favourite because it was more fun, whereas Forra Mambo seemed very business like with some clearly hardened girls in there. The girls in Zipi's are definitely more of a GFE type that will have no problem snogging your face off in the bar or back at the motel, indeed one of them had her tongue down my throat at the bar, a little petite but very lively girl called Daniella (25) who spoke good english. We agreed on 150 from an opening offer of 200, probably still a bit high but we didn't care as my mate pulled some other bird for the same price. Half UAE, half Brazilian. Gorgeous but a bit shy, with not much english. Back to the Village motel and quite shocked at just how secure and cool these motels are.

For any newbie wary of them, you go there in a cab, a big metal gate opens and closes straight after you and then you pay and get your key. In to the room where there's a nice big bed, mini bar, tv, music, air con. It's a god damn palace, we even had a jacuzzi on our 2nd visit. Dropped the girls back at Zipi's and went to bed with a smile.

Mambo's was very much a "sausage fest" as we say in England. Probably the time of the year and probably more hardened girls there this time of the year. However, it's a great bar with 3 floors and a roof terrace where you can check out all the action on the street below, which at times is hilarious.

Cafe Del Mar was dead as a dodo in my opinion. It also seemed to attract much younger girls, but it definitely seems to be struggling and Mambo's is absolutely hopping.

Like I say my favourite was Zipi's. Walk through the entrance, turn left and our spot was at the bar with the sofas just behind.

It's opened my eyes quite a bit to just how different these girls are, yeah they want money but they are genuinely friendly too, you just have to have the balls to approach them and you're good to go. Quite a few girls in Zipi's spoke some kind of English while we were there.

On last thing, JD mentioned the centro strip bar and nothing against him at all, but we got there at around 8 last night and the area seemed very dodgy. Even the taxi driver said "it's dangerous here" so we jogged on to Iracema and Zippi's again for a goodbye drink but no girls, as we're saving some cash for Rio now.

Many thanks to all who posted info, you made our trip exceptionally easy.

[QUOTE=Gringo147;1108991]Mambo's was very much a "sausage fest" as we say in England. [/QUOTE]Just realised I didn't explain that. It means there were too many guys. No exaggeration to say on NYE there must have been 4 guys to 1 woman. We just got the hell out.

I spent the afternoon checking out the afternoon action in centro.

The boite Spídy mentioned, Espaço Show, is worth a visit. Praça dos Martires. The action starts around 3 PM. No entrance fee and no minimum consumption (even though the fat guy at the door says it's R$10). The place is low-end. A dozen girls. Maybe one or two might be doable, but the majority are just 3's and 4's. Programa is R$50/hour and R$10/motel room. The striptease is quite entertaining. The girls choose a couple of guys that gets the chance of doing some touching and licking.

Streetwalkers.

There are quite a few SWs working around Praça dos Martires. None is doable. Old, ugly, fat or drugaddicts.

On the market-square on Rua General Sampaio there were a couple of SW's. All ugly except one that actually was really cute. She wanted R$20/1 hour. The problem was that she insisted on doing the programa in the toilet in the church. No thanks.

The are some SW's working in and outside the porno cinemas in centro. None doable. I didn't enter any cinema so I can't tell about the quality inside.

Other SW's. There are some streets further away from centro that have lots of SW's working in the evening. I didn't try any GP.

[QUOTE=MrGeneral;1109843]But woundered if some of you guys that lives there had a name and number for a girl to me.[/QUOTE]Is it so bad?

Sounds like you're in Saudi Arabia.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1117359]I spent the afternoon checking out the afternoon action in centro.

The boite Spídy mentioned, Espaço Show, is worth a visit. Praça dos Martires. The action starts around 3 PM. No entrance fee and no minimum consumption (even though the fat guy at the door says it's R$10). The place is low-end. A dozen girls. Maybe one or two might be doable, but the majority are just 3's and 4's. Programa is R$50 / hour and R$10 / motel room. The striptease is quite entertaining. The girls choose a couple of guys that gets the chance of doing some touching and licking.

Streetwalkers.

There are quite a few SWs working around Praça dos Martires. None is doable. Old, ugly, fat or drugaddicts.

On the market-square on Rua General Sampaio there were a couple of SW's. All ugly except one that actually was really cute. She wanted R$20/1 hour. The problem was that she insisted on doing the programa in the toilet in the church. No thanks.

The are some SW's working in and outside the porno cinemas in centro. None doable. I didn't enter any cinema so I can't tell about the quality inside.

Other SW's. There are some streets further away from centro that have lots of SW's working in the evening. I didn't try any GP. [/QUOTE]Can you tell me where in certo the porn cinemas are?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Dwilso39; 1117481]Can you tell me where in certo the porn cinemas are?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Just walk the side-streets from the catedral up to the square with the Teatro and you'll stumble on a few of them. I have no interest in those cinemas so I didn't make any notes. If you want the addresses you maybe can find them in Gpguia?