American Politics

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2785825]The "since 1980" part of your post stirred interest and I looked at your link. It appears that Reagan's victory in 1984, with a margin of almost 17 million votes, have skewed the margin of victory numbers BY A LOT.

Also, since 1980 Republicans have won the majority of the vote in 1980,1984 and 1988 and 2004. That's 4. Democrats won the majority of the votes in 1992,1996, 2004,2008 and 2020. That's 5.

And the only candidates to win the EC and loose the popular vote were W and Donnie the Dumbass. Since 1888, that is.[/QUOTE]About Reagan and the 1980 starting date, yes, I already said I was cherry picking. How come Tooms gets to cherry pick and I don't?

The Democratic candidate got 43.0%, 49.2% and 48.3% of the popular vote in 1992,1996 and 2004 respectively. Please note that a majority is greater than 50%. Democratic candidates didn't get majorities in those years, and in fact lost the popular and electoral vote in 2004. What I wrote was correct.

You guys seem to have one set of rules for Democrats who post here and another for the rest of us.

Correct, George W. Bush lost the popular vote by 0.5% and Trump lost by 2.1% in 2000 and 2016 respectively, but they won the electoral vote. Every time those two ran, I voted for the Libertarian, as I thought they were poor candidates.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2785806]If you have done all that work, fine. Why not simply publish it here so that we all can see it? But you won't because you haven't done the work. You simply make up stuff and challenge others to do what you won't or can't do.

By the way, the link I published here was valid. They took "red states", stripped out the murders in the largest "blue city" in that state and found that the murder rate of the state was high. What you want to do with your challenge is to segregate the data down to the county level. What that dataset will show, of course, is that virtually to county, blue counties are urban and have a higher crime rate than red counties which are primarily rural. Hell, why don't you take the data all the way down to the block? I'll bet you'd find that some blocks have higher murder rates than others, even in red counties.

If you have a problem with the study I posted, fine. But if you have a problem with it, simply do your own challenge and post the results here. I'll wait.[/QUOTE]I addressed all that in Post 11744 below. If you still don't get it, there's not much I can do. As to your idea about going down to a block level, I've done better than that. I've gone down to the individual level. See post 11676, "7 times more Democrat than Republican Felons."

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2785795] Tiny 12, you are doing God's work sir.[/QUOTE]Thank you Brother Chris. Converting Democrats is hard, thankless work. I appreciate the encouragement.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2785795]...."I know this woman who is 6 feet tall, or that woman who can bench 200 pounds, therefore there is no difference between men and women".

Or like cutting a highlight reel of every Tom Brady interception and sack, then showing it to people and trying to argue it proves he's a terrible quarterback.

BTW thanks for the memories Tom the GOAT. A shining example of old school American manhood for us all to look up to.[/QUOTE]

Yes Chris, our Democratic friends here, who are smart people, are not blessed with mathematical or analytical skills equal to their writing abilities. I'm probably on a fool's mission, trying to teach them about Simpson's Paradox.

[QUOTE=Chris P;2785824]Chicago has some of the most restrictive anti-gun laws in America. [/QUOTE]

We were discussing Switzerland earlier, where citizens are issued rifles. The homicide rate there is around 0.5 to 0.6 per 100,000 per year. That's among the lowest in Europe.

It's about 5 in the USA, and in the range of 25 to 43 for the counties in the table I linked to below.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2785769]The country is pretty darn evenly split. In the latest election in 2022, Republicans got 50.6% of the popular vote in House elections, compared to 47.8% for Democrats. Biden won the 2020 election with 51.3%, compared to 46.8% for Trump. And there are a lot of people, like me, who identify as Republicans and wouldn't vote for Trump for dogcatcher.

[b]So what are you implying?[/b] That America is blue? That Democrats would win presidential elections by significant margins, say greater than 10 percentage points (e.g. 55% to 45%) if Republicans didn't cheat? Well that sounds a lot like Sidney Powell or Lin Wood.

BTW, you're cherry picking, and you're not even getting that right. Republicans actually won more votes than Democrats in two presidential elections since 1988. Your and Spidy's hands must be permanently died red, from picking cherries..[/QUOTE]I am implying that an assertion by JustTK or anyone else that Dems "Keep losing" to any other Party for any reason is utter hogwash. Not "regularly", not "lately", not "currently", not "recently", not "routinely" or any slippery greased eel loony QAnon Repub parsing, cherry-picking, word-twisting qualifier you conjure up.

The Dem POTUS candidate won more votes than any candidate of any other Party in:

1992.

1996.

2000.

2008.

2012.

2016.

2020.

That is 7 out of the past 8 POTUS elections.

The only other Party that won more votes than any of the rest since 1988 was The Repub Party, in 2004.

That is 1 out of the past 8 POTUS elections.

And that candidate squeaked into a win on the votes with the historically proven advantage as an incumbent and as a "Wartime President", thanks entirely to a Repub SCOTUS awarding him that incumbent status despite him getting fewer votes than the Dem candidate and his colossal National Security negligence, blunders and lies plunging us into his counterproductive, quagmire Wars in the first place.

Additionally, the most beloved, revered and iconic Repub Party Leader and so-called potus of all time just recently presided over the LOSS of the Presidency, the LOSS of the House and the LOSS of the Senate, to the Dems, in his one, twice Impeached so-called potus term, a triumph of LOSS for Repubs and a WIN for Dems that has not occurred for any Party since 1932, ninety years ago.

That is what I am implying.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2785735]What they will do is say that it is the "Dem-run cities" that are the problem.

What they will [B]ignore[/B] is the fact that even if the murders from the "blue cities" in those "red states" are removed, the overall "gap" remained. In other words, if "red states" had a "murder rate problem", removing the murders from "blue cities" in those "red states" still showed that "red states" had higher murder rates than "blue states". "Over the course of the full 21 years between 2000 and 2020, the Red State murder rate was still 12% higher than the Blue State murder rate, even when murders in the largest cities in those red states were removed. And the murder rate was still higher in 18 of 21 years. " [URL]https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem[/URL].

Then, of course, they will disparage the link I posted because, well, that's what they do.[/QUOTE]Spot on and great analysis! Definitely an excellent study, showing murder rates in red states, debunking all those pundits.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2785662]Do you deny ...

BTW if you're looking for "hate speech" try the anti-white diatribes by the MSNBC presenters. .... [/QUOTE]Rant all you want, if it makes you feel better! Just make sure your provide the credible data sources, to back up said delusions. Than perhaps, I'll consider taking you more seriously.

BTW, I'm still waiting on the homicide study / chart committed by a Dem vs. Repub by weapons of choice, "in the world according" to Chris P.

Where's that study / chart?

[QUOTE=Chris P;2785664]Exactly the same low-IQ obfuscation and failure to answer the question as PVMonger. This isn't about the Republicans. [/QUOTE] Really, last I checked, they (Repubs) make up half of federal and state congresses, where such guns control laws are made. (Note: BTW, mayors of cities don't pass gun laws)

This is a simple fact of government, is know even be kindergarten kids. I guess it's back to kindergarten for you and your even lower form of "low-IQ".

[QUOTE=Chris P;2785664] Most are strong supporters of the Second Amendment. It is about the democrats and their allied fake news and Washington alphabet agencies, who are not. ....

Do you have a credible alternative explanation?[/QUOTE] Yeah, I think for Repubs, are often deluded by your right-wing media and talking-heads into thinking [b]the "boggeyman"[/b] (typically in the form of a Dem Pres.) is coming to take your 2nd Amendment rights.

By having better, more secure universal background checks ...etc, would go a long way w/r to gun control and curtailing gun violence and mass shootings. Seems Repubs care more about "attacks from the boggeyman", than the American people being killed and families destroyed from gun violence.

[b]Why Republicans arent likely to budge on gun control [/b]
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/28/politics/republicans-gun-control-analysis/index.html[/URL]

[b]Republicans Block Two Gun Control Measures After San Bernardino Shooting[/b]
[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-senate-block-gun-measures-401097[/URL]

So I ask again, why is it Repubs aren't doing more to stop gun violence?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2785660]Why do you think so many wealthy and influential Jews and Jewish groups in media, hollywood, finance and politics push so strongly for open borders and mass immigration in the West [/QUOTE]Gee, I don't know, because they don't and you won't be able to back up this garbage?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2785662]Do you deny that black people, particularly black males aged 15 to 35, commit vastly more violent crime than other groups?[/QUOTE]Since when do you lot need crimes to hate anybody? How many crimes do Jews commit?

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2785855]Thank you Brother Chris. [b]Converting[/b] Democrats is hard, thankless work. I appreciate the encouragement. ... [/QUOTE]
Yes, Pastor Tiny 12, it would seem your tireless work for the "ministry" is indeed a marvel to behold. (Just kidding!)

Keep up the good work. Your posts can be interesting. Although I do enjoy a good debunking.

Reminiscent of the recent unanimous vote by House Republicans to Defund the Police, one of the new Redrawn Districts Pink Tinkle Repub House Majority's first legislative acts led by Squeaker of the House Kave-in McQarthy was to increase crime re theft of American Tax-Payer money, most egregiously by wealthy Repub Party donor tax cheats, and increase the Trump / Repubs' record high deficits by $100+ Billion:

[B]House Republicans vote to strip IRS funding, following pledge to repeal nearly $80 billion approved by Congress[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/10/house-republicans-have-voted-to-cut-irs-funding-.html[/URL]

[QUOTE]Known as the Family and Small Business Taxpayer Protection Act, the new House Republican measure[b] would increase the budget deficit by more than $114 billion through 2032, according to the Congressional Budget Office.[/b][/QUOTE]No question about it; the Repub Party has proven over and over again that it is the Pro-Crime and Pro-Skyrocketing Deficits With Nothing To Show For It Party.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2785855]Thank you Brother Chris. Converting Democrats is hard, thankless work. I appreciate the encouragement.



Yes Chris, our Democratic friends here, who are smart people, are not blessed with mathematical or analytical skills equal to their writing abilities. I'm probably on a fool's mission, trying to teach them about Simpson's Paradox.



We were discussing Switzerland earlier, where citizens are issued rifles. The homicide rate there is around 0.5 to 0.6 per 100,000 per year. That's among the lowest in Europe.

It's about 5 in the USA, and in the range of 25 to 43 for the counties in the table I linked to below.[/QUOTE]Another great post. The only thing I might take issue with is our Democratic friends being smart.

As for Switzerland, the fact that there is universal gun ownership with near zero gun violence shows that the most important factor is what kind of people have guns. As we see on the streets of south Chicago and other urban ghettos every week, sadly.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2785901]Really, last I checked, they (Repubs)....[/QUOTE]Aaand more of the same obfuscation.

We've established that most Republicans are in favor of the Second Amendment. Democrats / fake media / hollyweird / alphabet agencies (aka the deep state) are not.

So, why do the people who are opposed to gun ownership not focus their considerable efforts on the areas where the vast majority of gun crime exists: urban ghettos and handguns?

Why do they ignore the vast majority of gun crime (committed by, shall we say, democrat voters in urban democrat areas) to endlessly attack. Via legislative efforts, hollyweird movies and shows, fake news reports and more. Comparatively law-abiding people in suburbs and rural areas who own rifles and commit a tiny fraction of the total gun crime?

This is the 4th time I've asked, so let's see if you answer the question this time.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2785889]Rant all you blablabla[/QUOTE]Do you deny it? A simple yes or no will suffice. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2785839] Anyway, the reading I did a couple of years ago indicated good quality masks worn correctly did help prevent COVID 19 and SARS transmission.[/QUOTE]The NFL kept track of people really well, and they had some intriguing data. If a Covid + person talked to someone without Covid, the masks helped to prevent getting the disease, but this was before omicron. Still, people did transmit Covid if they were wearing masks, but this was pre-omicron. After omicron hits and it is so contagious, the NFL stops most if not all preventative measures with Covid because they know those measures do not work. The studies you looked at were not when omicron was around.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2785839]I will continue to wear KN95 masks when in crowded settings where And I'll continue to get boosters until such time as there's evidence sufficient to convince me they're a bad idea.[/QUOTE]A lot of doctors are not getting the boosters.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/growing-number-doctors-say-they-wont-get-covid-19-booster-shots[/URL]

"I have taken my last COVID vaccine without RCT (randomized control evidence) level evidence it will reduce my risk of severe disease," Dr. Todd Lee, an infectious disease expert at McGill University, wrote on Twitter.

Moderna presented efficacy estimates for a different bivalent, which has never been used in the United States, during a recent meeting. The company estimated the booster increased protection against infection by just 10 percent.

Lee was pointing to the lack of randomized clinical trial (RCT) results for the updated boosters, which were cleared in the United States and Canada in the fall of 2022 primarily based on data from experiments with mice.

The USA Food and Drug Administration (FDA) granted emergency use authorization to updated boosters, or bivalent shots, from Pfizer and Moderna in August 2022 despite there being no human data.

So the current boosters have not been proven to work, and they have no safety profile.

As for harm, that comes from immune imprinting. [URL]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/what-immune-imprinting-means-for-the-future-of-covid-19-vaccines[/URL]#Immune-imprinting.

This article is very pro-vaccine but it is honest about immune imprinting.

While many of us will be able to stage an immune response to SARS-CoV-2 that we would not have been able to 2 years or even 1 year ago, the individual response may vary considerably between people, depending on the nature of previous exposure.

"Some people want to be very exotic and sort of biblical about it, call it 'original antigenic sin,' you know, the idea that your immune system is born with some sin on board already, and you can't go change it back to a blank sheet. So that's not the kind of academic nuance, that's a real thing and a big thing," Prof. Altmann said.

And there was this shocking statement: This was because attempts to develop variant-specific vaccines showed that it was not possible to develop them quickly enough to be of use in each wave.

So we are Omicron like version 7 now, but let us say you had alpha Covid and then the vaccine. You have primed your body to fight Alpha. So when omicron Covid hits your body and your body is used to making antibodies against Alpha, that is what it is going to do, and studies showed that those previously vaccinated or infected with one variant of Covid do worse than people who have not had any vaccine or exposure.

And the one certainty about the virus is that it will keep mutating.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2785837]As I don't want you gentlemen to waste a huge amount of time on a losing proposition, here are the ten counties in the USA with the highest homicide rates in 2017, from the source linked below, and the margin by which Biden won each in 2020.

1. Orleans Parish, Louisiana 68.2%.

2. Coahoma County, Mississippi 42.9%.

3. Phillips County, Arkansas 19.3%.

4. tie St. Louis City, Missouri 66.2%.

4. tie Baltimore City, Maryland 76.6%.

6. Petersburg, Virginia 76.5%..[/QUOTE]So you agree that Repub governors are absolutely useless in getting the murder rates in their "urban ghettos" (a favorite Chrissie term) under control. They are very good, however, in trying to pass legislation dictating what women can do with their bodies, but seem curiously obtuse when confronted with urban gun violence. Maybe the are simply hopeful that all of those responsible for all that violence will simply kill themselves off.

Of course, people of a Repub bent will call the above analysis bogus but how else can one explain it? The simple facts are that the availability of firearms is the culprit. Where do the firearms come from? They come from straw buyers, from gun shows, from being stolen and they come from outside the state where gun laws are more lax (assuming the state in question has tougher gun laws that neighboring states). Evidently Repub governors, who have the power to convince their Repub-controlled legislatures to enact tougher legislation re: the issues raised above, think the situation in their states is just fine. But if a "Saturday night special" that costs $50 on the street of any large city anywhere now starts costing $1000 because they have become impossible to get, it becomes a loosing proposition to buy a $1000 handgun to stick up a bodega to get $100.