General Reports

From the contacts with whom I correspond by messaging, the girls who seem to pass this test the best are those who have returned to their province. I correspond with a mamasan of soi 6. The bar has agreed with the girls that they will call them back when it opens again. It seems to be a wise decision with the minimum need of organization. I imagine that it must be the case for the majority of bars. Admittedly, she impatiently awaits the moment of opening, but her costs and expenses are under control, she limits the damage. It is the most economical version. They are also surrounded by their families. I think these are the ones that are doing the best.

On the other hand, for those who stayed in Pattaya, the testimonies that I receive are more difficult. Often they found themselves stuck in Pattaya when transport was prohibited throughout Thailand, staying was not necessarily a choice. They earn no more money in any case much less than before COVID. But the costs remain the same and are high compared to the rest of the country, I am thinking particularly of the price of their rooms. Those who have it live on their savings, and some do not even dare to leave their homes because they are afraid of the virus. Finally, if it is to make rare and hypothetical solicitations sold off at 800 baths, it is not sure that the best solution is to stay in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2457902]Bar owners were hoping to open on the 15th but that was not part of phase 4 as expected. Members of the government kept on saying that phase 4 was the end of the lockdown and then this week the Royal Gazette published changes without including the bars. Once again the lesson is don't believe what the government says until the rules are announced. The bars may open July 1 but again it has to be in the Gazette.[/QUOTE]Most major bars and night clubs and entertainment venues are "tourist traps. " Yes, even the most Thai girls that frequent those places are still using tourist dollars. I often see a group of GoGo bar girls celebrate a birthday party at Hollywood or Bone in Pattaya. They are not spending their own money that the generated from the rubber plant in Pattaya. It came from tourists. You can just, pause take a minute, and do a back trace on money found in their purses. Where did it most likely came from? Also, ask yourself who owns the bars? With the curfew lifted, most Thais can simply buy some beer and SangSom (rum, not sure why the call it whiskey) and hang out at home. They are more simple compared to most and do not need to splurge. The girls tell me they eat off 100 baht total per day. That's like the cost of just my casual dinner of shrimp fried rice and bottle water at Treetown. The problem with bars, clubs, and entertainment venue is "rent and utilities" versus "expected revenue. " The revenue will not be there with few tourists here, just like it was the few weeks leading up to the shutdown. So these wealthier owners have pretty much paid off the government to keep them closed until the tourists are able to come back. Remember government officials are just "puppets" of the very very very wealthy and powerful or the 1%, as I like to call them. Government officials are paid to take the blame and the heat off of the 1%. It makes no sense for any GoGo bar to open. 3 customers and 18 girls total, at Sensations at 10 pm, is a very sad sight. And I saw that. I wish I was wrong. But it is what it is. Keep in mind, most of those (who I know) and work these tourist traps are part of the HAVES in terms of the money they made as compared to the girl working at the bank. So don't feel too sorry for them. They can always rent out the house that was bought for them by their customers.

P.S. Thailand is taking a big hit on its economy and GDP. They don't want their own people to spend their money stupidly like that, especially if the bars are foreign owned. Oh yeah, COVID is not done with the world just yet.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2457891]Totally different scene in Pattaya. There has been an influx of new chicks. In typical Thai fashion they have confused things opening back up with there is money to be made. Some employers have convinced them to come only to be disappointed. On the flip side, others that I know who have stuck it out are now going back home.[/QUOTE]My experience is that many girls who would have gone home for Songkran took advantage of the interprovincial travel to finally go see families. My regular gal is back because her massage shop reopened. Another has a little more financial independence (courtesy of Chacal's benevolence) and she's upcountry only now until end of June.

[QUOTE=Chacal60;2458117]My regular gal is back because her massage shop reopened.[/QUOTE]That is what I was referring to. These massage shops have told chicks to come back because they can open. However they still have no customers to make money from.

Yes these new cases are because of the salmon imported from abroad. Just like in the beginning, the virus came from the American military. No China. There are only 4,634 covid-19 deaths in China.

[URL]https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1191404.shtml[/URL]

Thailand can open its borders to China (because it is a safe country which takes all health measures). And must close it to Europeans and Americans.

The whole world believes that.

Bad news for Thailand seems to be piling up [URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1934596/keep-foreign-tourists-out-poll[/URL].

Haha. Thanks for that. I needed a laugh.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2458241]Yes these new cases are because of the salmon imported from abroad. Just like in the beginning, the virus came from the American military. No China. There are only 4,634 covid-19 deaths in China.

[URL]https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1191404.shtml[/URL]

Thailand can open its borders to China (because it is a safe country which takes all health measures). And must close it to Europeans and Americans.

The whole world believes that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2458423]Bad news for Thailand seems to be piling up [URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1934596/keep-foreign-tourists-out-poll[/URL].[/QUOTE]I think you must mean bad news for those who want to come to Thailand.

Good news for those of us on the inside looking out. And also good news that there is a determination amongst the population to avoid the carnage which the virus has wrought in certain countries.

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2458815]I think you must mean bad news for those who want to come to Thailand.

Good news for those of us on the inside looking out. And also good news that there is a determination amongst the population to avoid the carnage which the virus has wrought in certain countries.[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree. And I think that will be the case for the next few months. Even after incoming international flights resume I suspect it will be a while longer before significant numbers of sex tourists can and will start showing up.

Meanwhile, I live in Bangkok and for the first time I recently looked into getting testosterone treatments in order to better capitalize on my situation, at age 67, of being a relatively rare potential customer for the slowly increasing influx of aspiring P4P girls.

I have been getting along just fine with an "every other day" session+pop routine. I can session+pop every day. But I get diminished pleasure returns on that program. Every other day feels much better.

However, under the current circumstances my repeats, regulars, non P4P GFs plus new P4P encounters while there are very few other customer/partner options for the girls have wreaked havoc on my every other day plan.

Therefore, I will be checking out what a 3 month testosterone treatment does for my level of hornyness on a daily basis. I would hate to have these unusual circumstances pass while significantly more and less costly session+pop(s) can be had with the same level of hornyness and pleasure reward as my every other day routine has provided for the past 2-3 years.

I posted the following in the Bangkok thread in response to an OP who thought he was going to visit in August [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2458829[/URL]#post2458829 , but it is equally relevant to Thailand as a whole (no need to read it twice if you've already seen it).

Apologies for the omitted "o" in ". Far too early to contemplate".

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2458815]I think you must mean bad news for those who want to come to Thailand.

Good news for those of us on the inside looking out. And also good news that there is a determination amongst the population to avoid the carnage which the virus has wrought in certain countries.[/QUOTE]Ahaha yes. When the mongers will come back they will be very hungry and will take all the girls. And you won't have any more. Tranquility will be over.

Over too the girls of Baccarat and other gogos at 1000 baths only.

I think expatriates are among the people who don't want tourists to come back to Thailand.

But soon they will come back. Since 1 July shengen will again authorize travel abroad. And probably USA and Canada too. By the time the planes resume their slots and the flights will resume very quickly. Almost all the companies offer flights in August from Europe: Lufthansa, Swiss, KLM, Air France, Austrian and also British Airways, Finnair, Qatar, Emirates, China Airlines, Cathay Pacific and all the others. Even Thai Airways will start flying again.

Ahahahahahahah.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2458932]
But soon they will come back. Since 1 July shengen will again authorize travel abroad. And probably USA and Canada too.[/QUOTE]Soon? If Schengen countries will authorize travel abroad this not mean that will Thailand will let them to come in.

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/1933192/thailand-says-china-japan-keen-on-travel-bubbles[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1935168/restrictions-will-limit-foreign-tourists[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2458945]Soon? If Schengen countries will authorize travel abroad this not mean that will Thailand will let them to come in.

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/1933192/thailand-says-china-japan-keen-on-travel-bubbles[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1935168/restrictions-will-limit-foreign-tourists[/URL][/QUOTE]Of course. Embassies of Shengen countries and other embassies around the world have already filed applications with each other. There will be "travel bubbles" between the countries as everyone now knows between the countries considered to have mastered their pandemic.

These agreements will be reciprocal. If one country imposes too strict conditions, the other country will impose the same (see for example between Schengen and Great Britain which mutually impose a quarantine 14 days). We will see what agreements will be made between Schengen and Thailand. Anyway, July will probably be a warm-up. We will see how it will evolve for August, September and October. But travel will resume before the end of the year. I already have a safari in Kenya scheduled in November with a very reliable travel agency (photo safari of course). This means that mass travel will have started to leave by then. I have already canceled 4 trips to Thailand and 1 trip to the Philippines since the begining of pandemic (since march until july). I have been monitoring the availability and cancellation of tickets almost every day for 4 months now. I can see that the conditions are starting to be different now. Anyone can check it on comparators and contact travel agencies.

All entry conditions, however strict they may be, can change overnight (especially in Thailand, which tends to change its mind abruptly without we can always knowing why). All countries want to get out of the economic disaster as soon as possible. Countries now know how to identify and manage epidemic clusters. If a region has another wave, it is immediately quarantined (see what's going on in Beijing right now and in Cebu which has been community quarantin since today but not AC if my locals informations are corrects). Measures to limit the spread of the virus are integrated into the behavior of populations and tests will probably be implemented on departure and arrival to avoid quarantine.

Only a second major coronavirus wave can reverse this trend which is still possible.

PS : other local information (to be confirm) : some bars will open on Soi 6 next month. It will be possible to drink but not listen to music. Which means they start waiting for tourists.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2458952]Of course. Embassies of Shengen countries and other embassies around the world have already filed applications with each other. There will be "travel bubbles" between the countries as everyone now knows between the countries considered to have mastered their pandemic.

These agreements will be reciprocal. If one country imposes too strict conditions, the other country will impose the same (see for example between Schengen and Great Britain which mutually impose a quarantine 14 days). We will see what agreements will be made between Schengen and Thailand. Anyway, July will probably be a warm-up. We will see how it will evolve for August, September and October. But travel will resume before the end of the year. I already have a safari in Kenya scheduled in November with a very reliable travel agency (photo safari of course). This means that mass travel will have started to leave by then. I have already canceled 4 trips to Thailand and 1 trip to the Philippines since the begining of pandemic (since march until july). I have been monitoring the availability and cancellation of tickets almost every day for 4 months now. I can see that the conditions are starting to be different now. Anyone can check it on comparators and contact travel agencies.

All entry conditions, however strict they may be, can change overnight (especially in Thailand, which tends to change its mind abruptly without we can always knowing why). All countries want to get out of the economic disaster as soon as possible. Countries now know how to identify and manage epidemic clusters. If a region has another wave, it is immediately quarantined (see what's going on in Beijing right now and in Cebu which has been community quarantin since today but not AC if my locals informations are corrects). Measures to limit the spread of the virus are integrated into the behavior of populations and tests will probably be implemented on departure and arrival to avoid quarantine.

Only a second major coronavirus wave can reverse this trend which is still possible.

PS : other local information (to be confirm) : some bars will open on Soi 6 next month. It will be possible to drink but not listen to music. Which means they start waiting for tourists.[/QUOTE]Commerce considerations might be paramount in almost every country of the world. And it will be a significant consideration in Thailand. But it won't be the first and most important consideration in Thailand due to a factor that is taken more seriously in Thailand than any other major country that I know of, including the U. K.

If any high ranking member of a particular Family in Thailand whose name will not be uttered here should get seriously sick or, buddha forbid, die as the result of Covid-19, do you want to be the government official that loosened the restrictions on international tourist travel?

How about if sometime down the road such a tragedy befalls a member or two of that particular Family and through the ongoing Check In and Check Out contact tracking/tracing system it is suggested, however remotely, that the bug that caused it took a circuitous route from the airport to a hotel, then a mall, passing through a couple of go-go bars and then took a weird couple of hops right into that Family member's tea cup?

Again, do you want to be the freedom loving crusader in the Thai government that first gave the ok to allow flights from the usual suspect countries and/or to reopen the go-go bars, beer bars, BJ bars, karaoke clubs and discos that attract them?

If the worldwide consensus is that virus has pretty much been eradicated, controlled or been vaccinated out of any serious threat to anyone, that will be an easy call to make. Until then, anyone in a position of responsibility in a country where not taking responsibility for anything negative is a cultural mandate is going to need uncharacteristic brass balls to open the gates and thereby expose everyone in that extraordinarily revered Family to any harm whatsoever, much less death.

It will happen. Incoming flights full of tourists will be allowed to resume. But there are more powerful emotional and cultural forces against it happening "too soon" in Thailand than in any other major country, imo.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2458956]Commerce considerations might be paramount in almost every country of the world. And it will be a significant consideration in Thailand. But it won't be the first and most important consideration in Thailand due to a factor that is taken more seriously in Thailand than any other major country that I know of, including the U. K.

If any high ranking member of a particular Family in Thailand whose name will not be uttered here should get seriously sick or, buddha forbid, die as the result of Covid-19, do you want to be the government official that loosened the restrictions on international tourist travel?

How about if sometime down the road such a tragedy befalls a member or two of that particular Family and through the ongoing Check In and Check Out contact tracking/tracing system it is suggested, however remotely, that the bug that caused it took a circuitous route from the airport to a hotel, then a mall, passing through a couple of go-go bars and then took a weird couple of hops right into that Family member's tea cup?

Again, do you want to be the freedom loving crusader in the Thai government that first gave the ok to allow flights from the usual suspect countries and/or to reopen the go-go bars, beer bars, BJ bars, karaoke clubs and discos that attract them?

If the worldwide consensus is that virus has pretty much been eradicated, controlled or been vaccinated out of any serious threat to anyone, that will be an easy call to make. Until then, anyone in a position of responsibility in a country where not taking responsibility for anything negative is a cultural mandate is going to need uncharacteristic brass balls to open the gates and thereby expose everyone in that extraordinarily revered Family to any harm whatsoever, much less death.

It will happen. Incoming flights full of tourists will be allowed to resume. But there are more powerful emotional and cultural forces against it happening "too soon" in Thailand than in any other major country, imo.[/QUOTE]You are right, it is not I who make government decisions. I am content to restore what I see or what I learn. I'm just trying not to give an interpretation of the facts that might suit me or prove me right. There may be errors and it is certain that things will change. It's just a matter of looking ahead and expressing a trend with a minimum of facts. And it is not easy at the moment with a new virus in a rapidly changing global context.

We will see what will happen next and nothing is certain. Everything can evolve in any direction.

Now if you ask me for my own opinion, I would say that the virus is still around and it will be around for a long time. What do we have to do? All I know is that most of the choices we make, personal or not, at whatever level they are, are the benefit / risk balance. And zero risk does not exist, nowhere.

Here no one says that the virus will not cause a new wave but that this risk can be controlled. The entire French population has been quarantined to save groups at risk. But can we eternally impact 95% of the population for 5% of complicated cases? These risk groups are now identifiable, it is easier to intervene and make decisions. Quarantine lifting and lowering devices seem to be fairly well mastered and populations are exercised now.

Finally, let us not forget in perspective that the damage caused by the freezing of the economy is considerable and that countries may be ready to take risks to get out of there, if these risks are calculated and correctable. Behind the economic considerations there are people who can also suffer: unemployment, bankruptcy, poverty and even hunger. What do you do with these people (including in Thailande) ? I think countries are mature enough now to draw a ridge line between the impact of the virus and the economic collapse.

Staying in quarantine will allow us to avoid covid-19 but we risk dying cured and healthy.