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[QUOTE=Gamahucher]I think Opebo says that he uses the cheapest 500 baht street hookers anyway which tend to be the preserve of major risk takers anyway and not the daily fare of mainstream mongers.[/QUOTE]
If my memory serves me right, he also used Tulip MP, which is, nowadays the most popular Oily venue on ISG
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1. many girls do not care much, it is in their mentality to be fatalistic and fun-loving.
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"Fatalistic" character is surely one of the biggest weaknesses in the Thai character that westeners cannot fathom.
The belief that they have little control over their own destiny and that if they are destined to die, they will.
Risky behaviour is O.K. whther its smoking, riding the motor-bike with no helmet or whatever.
They just pray to the Bhudda and expect that that the bad people will be punished by their future bad Kharma, and the good will eventually be rewarded, even if its in a future life.
But we see no evidence to support this belief. We know that bad shit happens to good people who take risks and fail to control their own destiny.
Whats even worse is that in Thailand you cannot discuss risky behaviour that could lead to death. Its an off-limits topic seen as courting bad luck rather than the reality that its best to discuss dangers in order to avert them
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]If my memory serves me right, he also used Tulip MP, which is, nowadays the most popular Oily venue on ISG[/QUOTE]
Oh bugger - you've spoiled by pathetic illusion. You will be telling me next he is an Eden regular :).
[QUOTE=Gamahucher]Oh bugger - you've spoiled by pathetic illusion. You will be telling me next he is an Eden regular :).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Opebo]Visited Tulip one rainy day, and did recieve a very decent BBBJ and ok BBFS, but the anal promised by the receptionist at the desk did not transpire - just wouldn't fit.
The service was ok and the atmosphere relaxing, but really to pay 2,100 for what is no better than that available elswhere in Bangkok for 1,000 or so seems strange to me.[/QUOTE]
There it is... I can already see the Sign in front of Tulip: "OPEBO WAS HERE" LOL
[QUOTE=Gamahucher]Oh bugger - you've spoiled by pathetic illusion. You will be telling me next he is an Eden regular :).[/QUOTE]
Used to be, Gamahucker, and when I was I always got bareback with anal creampie - by sticking to the same girls I lucked out with of course. But that was years ago when I was flush from the US. In those days 3,200 or 3,600 baht hardly fazed me; now it does.
Alright, so I'm shitting bricks right now. My ex-girlfriend went for an HIV test a week ago and it came back "inconclusive". She went back again yesterday, and had the same result: "inconclusive". The test she had was ECLIA (at least that's what it says on the report). She had another test done that was more in-depth but the results won't be back for another week. She hasn't had sex with anyone but me. The doctor told her that it will probably come back negative, since there were two inconclusive results, and in his experience, they come back negative. He also said that the test given wasn't the most reliable (or "no good" as she called it).
There are 3 potential girls that I'm worried about. One girl I met in the Red Light bar on Soi 6 in Pattaya. We went up to the ST room and, well, the tip of my dick brushed her wet pussy when she was on top of me. I quickly wiped it off. I just called her - she had an HIV test yesterday and everything was fine (she was actually a bit worried that I was even calling).
The same thing happened with a girl in Cambodia - my dick just brushed her pussy before I put the condom on. Haven't been able to reach her yet.
The third girl is a girl named Joy who works at Sakura 69 go-go in Pattaya. We had unprotected sex (yes, I know, very very stupid) about 2 months ago. She assured me she was clean and I went to see her again last week --- she was still working at the same place, and I believe that these girls have regular checks.
I'm too afraid to go to hospital myself to get a test done, but might have to force myself. Honestly, I have never been this scared before in my life.
[QUOTE=Mangofan]Alright, so I'm shitting bricks right now. My ex-girlfriend went for an HIV test a week ago and it came back "inconclusive". She went back again yesterday, and had the same result: "inconclusive". The test she had was ECLIA (at least that's what it says on the report). She had another test done that was more in-depth but the results won't be back for another week. She hasn't had sex with anyone but me. The doctor told her that it will probably come back negative, since there were two inconclusive results, and in his experience, they come back negative. He also said that the test given wasn't the most reliable (or "no good" as she called it).
There are 3 potential girls that I'm worried about. One girl I met in the Red Light bar on Soi 6 in Pattaya. We went up to the ST room and, well, the tip of my dick brushed her wet pussy when she was on top of me. I quickly wiped it off. I just called her - she had an HIV test yesterday and everything was fine (she was actually a bit worried that I was even calling).
The same thing happened with a girl in Cambodia - my dick just brushed her pussy before I put the condom on. Haven't been able to reach her yet.
The third girl is a girl named Joy who works at Sakura 69 go-go in Pattaya. We had unprotected sex (yes, I know, very very stupid) about 2 months ago. She assured me she was clean and I went to see her again last week --- she was still working at the same place, and I believe that these girls have regular checks.
I'm too afraid to go to hospital myself to get a test done, but might have to force myself. Honestly, I have never been this scared before in my life.[/QUOTE]Hiv is not the "perfect virus" in fact its far from it. Quite docile in terms of transmission and you are not going to get it by brushing your dick a little against a wet pussy.
Unprotected sex. Well it depends on her and you. If you have a foreskin then the chances are much higher than if you are circumcised (thousands of years of history are not wrong, there is a reason the Egyptians, and all the old religions circumcised their boys). The foreskin is very active receptor of HIV, and a small tear in it, rubbing inside an infected pussy that might have some blood traces around, and you can get it. Its not impossible.
For someone to give it to a girlfriend, its much easier, as an infected person deposits a load of HIV juice into a girl, and it only has to find a small chink in the armour inside there, and if its rough sex there will be many, and its inside and away.
There is no point worrying, whats done is done, and the earlier you get checked the happier you will be if its negative, or the better off you will be if its not. Hiding and not getting tested is really not an option, it achieves nothing, you are only kidding yourself, whats done is done is done.
To be positive about this, it really is quite difficult for men to get it if its just normal sex with a girl, not impossible, but quite difficult.
Get a check. Hopefully you will be all clear.
Get her to get a proper check. You do not know what she has been doing. Be honest. Unless you are with her 24/7. A quick fuck with someone only takes 30 mins, and many girls have giks and gaks.
Its quite common for a girl to have HIV, but then 90% of the guys she slept with are clear. Its not the "perfect virus". If it were, we would all be dead already.
[QUOTE=Mangofan]Alright, so I'm shitting bricks right now. My ex-girlfriend went for an HIV test a week ago and it came back "inconclusive". One girl I met in the Red Light bar on Soi 6 in Pattaya. We went up to the ST room and, well, the tip of my dick brushed her wet pussy when she was on top of me.
The same thing happened with a girl in Cambodia - my dick just brushed her pussy before I put the condom on. Haven't been able to reach her yet.
The third girl is a girl named Joy who works at Sakura 69 go-go in Pattaya. We had unprotected sex
I'm too afraid to go to hospital myself to get a test done, but might have to force myself. Honestly, I have never been this scared before in my life.[/QUOTE]
You're sure the brushing up against the two chick's pussies wasn't intentional or did you do more just brushing up. Highly unlikely you would be infected from just that as you need some fluid/blood transmission to make the leap to HIV.
You can sit at home and worry yourself to death or youu can go get tested, if you are infected (and I hope you are not) at least you can start with your treatment. Magic Johnson has been infected since 1992 and with his medication, diet and exercise, he seem to be at peace and living a normal (as much as can be expected) life. Since you already placed your self at risk by having BB sex with a hooker, get tested so you can minimize the hazards, if there are any. Chok dee!
Let me give you some perspective. I have probably bareback-fucked over a hundred hookers in a dozen countries over the past 8-10 years, including Thailand, Cambodia, Mexico, Argentina, Vietnam, China, Costa Rica, Panama, the Dominican Republic, Jamaica, St. Maarten, and the U.S. I get tested every few months. In all of this time, I picked up exactly one case of Chlamydia which a couple of Cipro pills cleared right up. My dick did not brush up against these pussies. I fucked them deep and hard until I came inside them.
[QUOTE=Mangofan]Alright, so I'm shitting bricks right now. My ex-girlfriend went for an HIV test a week ago and it came back "inconclusive". She went back again yesterday, and had the same result: "inconclusive". The test she had was ECLIA (at least that's what it says on the report). She had another test done that was more in-depth but the results won't be back for another week. She hasn't had sex with anyone but me. The doctor told her that it will probably come back negative, since there were two inconclusive results, and in his experience, they come back negative. He also said that the test given wasn't the most reliable (or "no good" as she called it).
There are 3 potential girls that I'm worried about. One girl I met in the Red Light bar on Soi 6 in Pattaya. We went up to the ST room and, well, the tip of my dick brushed her wet pussy when she was on top of me. I quickly wiped it off. I just called her - she had an HIV test yesterday and everything was fine (she was actually a bit worried that I was even calling).
The same thing happened with a girl in Cambodia - my dick just brushed her pussy before I put the condom on. Haven't been able to reach her yet.
The third girl is a girl named Joy who works at Sakura 69 go-go in Pattaya. We had unprotected sex (yes, I know, very very stupid) about 2 months ago. She assured me she was clean and I went to see her again last week --- she was still working at the same place, and I believe that these girls have regular checks.
I'm too afraid to go to hospital myself to get a test done, but might have to force myself. Honestly, I have never been this scared before in my life.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Member #2041]Let me give you some perspective. I have probably bareback-fucked over a hundred hookers in a dozen countries over the past 8-10 years, including Thailand, Cambodia, Mexico, Argentina, Vietnam, China, Costa Rica, Panama, the Dominican Republic, Jamaica, St. Maarten, and the U.S. I get tested every few months. In all of this time, I picked up exactly one case of Chlamydia which a couple of Cipro pills cleared right up. My dick did not brush up against these pussies. I fucked them deep and hard until I came inside them.[/QUOTE]
Same here, except I haven't been to that many countries. No problems - and I came inside them.
[QUOTE=Rguy89]Same here, except I haven't been to that many countries. No problems - and I came inside them.[/QUOTE]
Hey guys - you are welcome to your bragging rights - most mongers would rather stay modest, covered (for penetrative sex at least) and safe. It just takes one hived up w**** to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on your fireworks - for good. GH
[QUOTE=Mangofan]I'm too afraid to go to hospital myself to get a test done, but might have to force myself. Honestly, I have never been this scared before in my life.[/QUOTE]
I sympathise with your ordeal. The best way out is indeed to get yourself tested. I am pretty sure that your will get out of it with a big sight of relief.
As you may not know, there is massive controversy around the entire HIV/AIDS thing, and in particular as far as tests are concerned. I am no expert in this but the way I understand it, the medical industry has have never quite isolated and cultivated “pure” HIV strains that could be used to devise specific tests, i.e. tests that react to HIV and only HIV. Hence the high number of “false positives” etc.
You might want to search the web on this. You will easily get to the roots of the controversy, and you will be able to form your own opinion.
Personally, I consider that intercourse with strangers is inherently a high risk activity. Practicing safe sex is a must, no doubt about that. This being said, consensual heterosexual sex with otherwise healthy young females has to be considerably less risky than many other options available. In terms of probability, there is a much higher risk of catching something possibly nasty but very curable, than the elusive HIV.
Get to the hospital and take the test. You will be fine.
[QUOTE=Gamahucher]Hey guys - you are welcome to your bragging rights - most mongers would rather stay modest, covered (for penetrative sex at least) and safe. It just takes one hived up w**** to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on your fireworks - for good. GH[/QUOTE]
I'm not bragging. The fact is, I've posted over 770 times on this forum prior to this, without making the admission I did earlier in this thread previously. I am simply trying to inject some realistic data into the most stigmatized topic for discussion that there is. I am not saying that there are not risks. I am saying that, from a simple numeric perspective, the risks have been wildly over-stated by the mainstream media. The risks are real, but some of these risks are also small in probability, while other of these risks are small in consequence. Similarly, the benefits too are real - and to me, not so small.
The fact is, the odds of catching something from someone even if they are infected, are not large per single unprotected encounter. And the odds that someone is actually infected with something that is serious and not easily cured is pretty darn low. Not zero, for sure. But the reality is, the odds are miniscule per encounter.
if I had to compare a 1 in 100 chance of getting HIV over the course of my lifetime from unprotected heterosexual sex, and perhaps a 1 in 10 chance of getting something less serious per year which would not significantly impact my life, against an existence where I never experienced unprotected sex over the course of my lifetime - I have made my own decision. And the full sexual experience is too important as an aspect of fully living life. It's no different from choosing to eat rich, tasty food, or choosing to drive a car that is fun and exciting. Living life to the fullest is riskier than living a cloistered existence. But the richness of the experience of living it in such an enjoyable manner is worth the added risk - at least to me.
Now the fact is, I do not have any children who depend upon me, or a significant other. If I did, these factors would likely impact my weighting of the risks and rewards I associate with the way I live my life. But, it is what it is. I live my life with my eyes fully open - but live it I do, in all it's glory.
Some people prefer hang-gliding, or skiing, or drinking heavily - these activities are also risky. I personally prefer having sex in it's natural form.
Oh, and I don't fuck visibly hived up whoores. That's a relatively simple means of lessening the risks somewhat - at zero cost.
a class i took once stated that a man has a 1 in 214 chance of contracting hiv from an hiv positive female from heterosexual unprotected sex while a woman has a 1 in 14 chance of contracting the virus from unprotected sex with an hiv positive man.
however, the presensce of other stds increases the risk of contracting the virus from infected people.
i also think that if one washes, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord133][CodeWord133][/url], and poors alcohol on one's penis after sex it reduces the risk of contracting an std. but this is not proven. just my own personal experience.
even with the statisticly minimal infection rates, i can't see how anyone could rawdag a prostitute in bkk.
[quote=dirkdingy]a class i took once stated that a man has a 1 in 214 chance of contracting hiv from an hiv positive female from heterosexual unprotected sex while a woman has a 1 in 14 chance of contracting the virus from unprotected sex with an hiv positive man.
however, the presensce of other stds increases the risk of contracting the virus from infected people.
i also think that if one washes, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord133][CodeWord133][/url], and poors alcohol on one's penis after sex it reduces the risk of contracting an std. but this is not proven. just my own personal experience. even with the statisticly minimal infection rates, i can't see how anyone could rawdag a prostitute in bkk.[/quote]
while i don't take issue with those numbers, they are a statistical oversimplification. the 1 in 214 estimate includes participants who have lesions or other breaks in the skin, where the odds are quite a bit higher, and participants who have no lesions or other breaks in the skin, where the odds are quite a bit lower. the implication of this is, if one takes care to never engage in unsafe activities when one's skin on the business end is in imperfect condition, one can insure that they are in the range of well under 1 in 1000 even if their partner happens to be hiv positive. to this, add the fact that the likelihood that one's p4p partner is hiv positive is probably around 2%, the likelihood of a healthy male who takes care to monitor their skin being intact, in that situation, the likelihood of a healthy male actually contracting hiv is now under 1 per 50k unprotected encounters. and aids is no longer an untreatable disease. i understand the math. i believe that i am much more likely to be killed in an automobile accident, or from cancer, or from a heart attack. and none of those things is as enjoyable as unprotected sex.
statistically speaking, i am quite confident that the riskiest behavior that i ever engage in while in bangkok, is walking across sukhumvit road, followed by when i get into a taxi. were i to be reckless enough to use a motorcycle taxi, that would move right to the top of the list.