Monterrey

Prokofiev... there are MPs above the low, more into midium and into high class, that double as escort services, like Medusass, Versace, Subasta de Virgenes (this more into low end), Vivid, Misses, Marcella.
Brother businesses Havana and Safari, both low end Mps also serve escorts to hotels.
These 2, you can go and get the girls and take them out... though girl quality is another thing.

You've only concentrated in the area around Villagran St.
Like I told you, you need to check the map I made so you can see all the MPs in the periphery of the downtown area.
Which are by the way, more expensive, cause they consider themsleves above the MP's in the dowtown area.
Piscis for example offers exactly what you are looking for: 200 pesos for 30 minutes.




[QUOTE=Prokofiev]Maybe, I'm just a fast worker, but in my entire life I can only remember being called for time once!! And I usually waste the first 5-10 minutes talking with the chica and rubbing her down. I always try to "force" her to interact with me . . . to "keep it real" in some manner. It all depends on your personal style and what you are looking for. I can usually turn a poor attitude around, but some girls are just losers no matter what you do. I always try to choose a chica based on personality, as opposed to looks. Of course, it is still a crap shoot since you usually have only 10-15 seconds to meet each one, ask her name and try to get a hint about her attitude . . .

In the low-end MP's an extra 30 minutes is only going to cost you 100-300 pesos more, so time really should not be a major issue. I always choose the shortest time available, unless there is value pricing such as 200p for 30 minutes and 300p for an hour. In Monterrey, that seems never to be the case. If you really like the girl, you can always pay for more time or just return for another session with her. Always try to keep your up-front investment low.

" . . . I know I will be interested in barfining girls when I am there and have been wondering if it is possible to do so with the massage chicas.
Haven't seen much in regards to that on the forum and am wondering if the price structure for that is similar to paying the salida on a SC girl? "

It is rare for most MP's to allow a salida. Of course everything is negociable, but the house will never let her leave without getting a fat cut of the money. A better strategy is to try the girl in the MP and if you are still interested, ask her for her cell phone number and when she gets off. If she trusts you and you make clear the amount you will pay she will often give you her number. This sometime happens even if you don't ask. But she risks losing her job if the MP owners find out she is working off-site with customers. Despite having received a ton of numbers this way, I have never followed up and tried to get them to my hotel.

-P[/QUOTE]

USB... Porker doesn't get it.
His agresive and demanding style is not for Monterrey.
That is why he doesn't like Monterrey.
It's like I've been discussing else where at other forums.
You need to drop money to be a good customer at clubs and at MPs (now that Iam getting around this venue).
Buying a couple of beers will get you no where at the clubs.
Buying just one session with a girl at an MP and refusing to tip will get nothing from her.

This is the point Iam getting to: Balance Prokofiev posts against Porkers.
Prokofiev knows, tries and gets the best of the girls more or less in a middle ground (estira y afloje, as we say here).
But Porker likes to clash against the girl and/or business once he considers himself getting the short end of the stick.
And the girls just don't like to be hasseled by an customer that pays 100-150 pesos and doesn't tip.

Easy... nothing else.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]All of this is said tongue 'n cheek to my good friend Porker, but...it must be said none the less. I am, frankly, delighted to see you posting. :-)))

Granted, if it's strictly the "ACT" desired, then certainly there are options available in the MPs. But, we "ALL" know a certain someone who frequently returns to the PI for something "MORE," and I am not just speaking in generalities about GFE, but with respect to a decided decision to return to a specific certain someone whose "personality and charm" lures him back. So, while you say that you want a "fuck machine," you orchestrate frequent and lengthly returns to experience "something more."

Speaking of which, the cost for returning for something "MORE" is certainly much more expensive than staying in Monterrey and visiting Signore. So, while your strategic preferences are articulated in the one sense here on the board, your behavior, your desire for GFE, or at least for something beyond just the "fuck machine" experience...dare I say, even your most recent desire for the hybrid GFE, says something quite different about your motivations.

Not a one of us would kick the MP girls out of bed, not even the medium level ones. We are, afterall, sex mongers, verdad? But, some of us "choose" to ultimately spend our money for the prospect of a different kind of experience as part of the sex, and for something that is most definitely different than what is typically experienced in the MPs. What is enjoyed in the clubs, really isn't mongering per se. It is socializing, and nothing more, a preface to mongering.

Time spent in the clubs is no different than socializing under other circumstances, but the difference in that context is that it can lead to outstanding GFE outside the clubs, to a potential with girls that are "entertaining," beyond just the sex act. So, I suppose one could conclude that socializing in general has no particular value, but when used properly, it can set you up for exceptional sessions that are not otherwise generally attainable under MP circumstances.

Of course, there are always exceptions to the rule with respect to girls with "personality" and "charm," and on rare occasion, they are found in the MPs, but not usually, with perhaps the exception of Misses or Romanos, where they are charging out the ass with respect to time spent in comparison. I would expect to get something more than what is offered at Signore when visiting Romanos or Misses. I would expect to have my socks charmed off for 2000 pesos for one hour's time.

Well, one thing is for sure, your close friend, USB, has one particular preference that he articulates on the boards, and he sticks to it, consistently faithful to his articulated preferences, unlike his dear friend, Porker, articulating one kind of preference, wanting only a fuck machine, but venturing off to far away lands, lands known for their exceptional GFE standard, a place where the girls are so frickin' cut and charming, a place where Porker's exact words in the past have been, about the girls, something like, "the difference is...they are fun." (ie:charming).

But, USB does not say one thing, desiring only a "fuck machine," and spend gobs of money to travel to Asia for the other. Your friend, USB, would dearly love to have the time available to travel to the other GFE capitals of the World to enjoy the "charm" of those girls. But, unfortunately, he must confine most of his time spent to close destinations like Monterrey.

But, honestly, were I in your shoes Porker, living in Mexico, I would have every bit the experience I can have in Asia by just staying put. Of this, I am totally and completely convinced at this juncture, after so many years playing the game in Monterrey.

Cost? Less, by a long shot, even when spending pesos in the clubs to find the charmers, and eventually beating them at their own game in getting what some spend in dollars to travel to far away lands, austencibly to get that which is so easily obtainable in the PI for peanuts, charming GFE for next to nothing in cost, which when practiced with precision in Monterrey in the clubs, is sometimes even available in Monterrey for next to nothing in cost should one choose to make the effort, and push one's own psychological manipulations to the fullest extent.[/QUOTE]

Porker totally gets it, as is evidenced by his repeated trips to GFE land. He just doesn't like admitting that he gets it. He is mired in mongerdom's political correctness, not able to bring himself to stand on the side of GFE altruism.

His psychologically self imposed denial of the obvious potential that's available in Monterrey restricts that boundless potential that I know resides in his being.

However, there is still cause for tremendous hope. We have all seen a transition in Porker over the last several years, a softening, regardless of his contrary articulations.

I am, frankly, comforted at knowing in my heart of hearts that he does indeed get it, even if he can not bring himself to admit it publicly.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]USB... Porker doesn't get it.
His agresive and demanding style is not for Monterrey.
That is why he doesn't like Monterrey.
It's like I've been discussing else where at other forums.
You need to drop money to be a good customer at clubs and at MPs (now that Iam getting around this venue).
Buying a couple of beers will get you no where at the clubs.
Buying just one session with a girl at an MP and refusing to tip will get nothing from her.

This is the point Iam getting to: Balance Prokofiev posts against Porkers.
Prokofiev knows, tries and gets the best of the girls more or less in a middle ground (estira y afloje, as we say here).
But Porker likes to clash against the girl and/or business once he considers himself getting the short end of the stick.
And the girls just don't like to be hasseled by an customer that pays 100-150 pesos and doesn't tip.

Easy... nothing else.[/QUOTE]

No... part of the my problem with MPs in part was that my measuring rod was Porker.
I always thought MPs were not good cause he always complained about them.

I even got in trouble and discussions with other mongers that liked the Monterrey MP's cause I valued more Porker's word and experience over others.
A reality that will not change no matter how much he despises them.

He will never go for stuff that you USB, Wasted, RTW, Prokofiev and others have comprehended:
1. Understand
2. Adapt
3. Take advantage.

Now that I've been checking out this venue, I find out that Poker somewhere along the line lost his grasp with the reality of how clubs and MPs, both, work.

On the other hand, his forté, his REAL forté is SEA, no question about it.

It has nothing to do with softening or whatever, Porker has not changed the least and I have had my quota of quarreling with him at other forums.

It just happens that he has not softened he has hardened even more his perspective of Monterrey towards the hard line monger that wants his hand kissed for 150 pesos, nothing else in exchange.

Now that Iam checking out MPs, I tend to agree with folk like Prokofiev and others, about finding the best service for the best peso deal and truely finding it.

Now I truely agree with the advantages offered by established MPs like Signore, Millenio, Faraonas and several others.
Being that I have checked far beyond the Zaragoza st line into the expensive ones like Romanos, and Marcella, I have to point out both ways.
Signore and Millenio are really good MPs.... Versace, Horoscope, Romanos hold their own in their particular expensive way.

Of course I have had my running into cheap and ugly MP's like Shakira and Diamante, but I have found great deals with great girls like at Abril and Subasta de Virgenes (Virgin Auctions).

Nope... I still stick with my new found knowldage that I hope will help the mongers that favor MPs.






[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Porker totally gets it, as is evidenced by his repeated trips to GFE land. He just doesn't like admitting that he gets it. He is mired in mongerdom's political correctness, not able to bring himself to stand on the side of GFE altruism.

His psychologically self imposed denial of the obvious potential that's available in Monterrey restricts that boundless potential that I know resides in his being.

However, there is still cause for tremendous hope. We have all seen a transition in Porker over the last several years, a softening, regardless of his contrary articulations.

I am, frankly, comforted at knowing in my heart of hearts that he does indeed get it, even if he can not bring himself to admit it publicly.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]USB... Porker doesn't get it.
His agresive and demanding style is not for Monterrey.
That is why he doesn't like Monterrey.
It's like I've been discussing else where at other forums.
You need to drop money to be a good customer at clubs and at MPs (now that Iam getting around this venue).
Buying a couple of beers will get you no where at the clubs.
Buying just one session with a girl at an MP and refusing to tip will get nothing from her.

This is the point Iam getting to: Balance Prokofiev posts against Porkers.
Prokofiev knows, tries and gets the best of the girls more or less in a middle ground (estira y afloje, as we say here).
But Porker likes to clash against the girl and/or business once he considers himself getting the short end of the stick.
And the girls just don't like to be hasseled by an customer that pays 100-150 pesos and doesn't tip.

Easy... nothing else.[/QUOTE]


Regio, DUDE, BELIEVE ME, I GET! I know the rules of the game and will categorically state the rules of the game in Mexico are NOT FOR ME. I repeat, in case there's any doubt, NOT FOR ME.

If there are OTHERS in the world that wanna average spending 100 bucks a day and get a kiss on the cheek as they pay their bill OR spend 500 bucks a day to get 2 hours of sex in their hotel and think they are getting some sort of value for their money, well, GOOD for THEM!

I save my meager funds for what I consider much better value, and will stack my deals up against anywhere in the world.

Mon Ami, sorry you doubt my experiences in the MP's. I have had the gamut there, from fanTASTIC GFE (you say DFK is rare in the bars? I used to get it more than occasionally for 120-200 pesos -- total, ur right I DONT TIP THERE-- in the MPs!) to the worst fucking rushed ripoff experiences I could ever even imagine. And unlike Prok, I HAVE extensive experience with meeting the massage girls off premise for 2+ hours of outcall fun, and had SOME GFE experiences with them that USB would drool over!

But the USUAL experience in the low-end MP's is that the minute the girl starts to attempt any sort of service, she immediately reverts to an upsell. Can that be headed off at the pass before it happens? Maybe, I don't know, not really my style. Mein Freund might be right about THAT. I freely admit that I don't respond well to the more overtly moneygrubbing trash. If one gets their rocks off thinking they're getting a bargain for bribing their ***** into doing a 20% better job with you, then good for THEM! ME, I expect MORE!

Will give a short version of my last experience at Signore a couple months back, Signore, a place that I have ALWAYS liked and recommended to others:

Showed up at about 6:30 and found a girl I didn't recognize that had an obviously BIG rack (my favorite). Booked her, went to the room, undressed, rinsed, waited.

She was friendly, asked if I wanted "extras", I asked "like what?", she explained that tit sucking was EXTRA, BBBJ EXTRA, same old, same old, but I ATTEMPTED to roll with the punches and said I'd pay 100 tip for BBBJ.

All was good for 15-20 minutes, but I was having trouble finishing.

She went above and beyond and tried to finish me off, no arguments from me about that.

About a full minute after I had given up, she told me "I'm still horny", and asked if she could get on top again. I thought this was pretty cool, so I said "Sure, why not?". And she climbed back on and (according to her) rode me for a minute or two and finished, about the same time as there was a knock on the door announcing time was up. Still no nut for ME, however...

I paid her her extra 100 that we agreed upon. As I was showering, she RETURNED to the room and said she thought she deserved MORE tip. I told her I agreed, actually (for ONCE in my life!) and gave her another 50 pesos (making the tip 150 total, same as the 150 standard fee I paid for the supposed 1/2 hour session).

But she went OFF on me, telling me I had WAAAAY more than the standard 2 positions, and that it was 50 pesos more PER POSITION! I asked her why she was saying that, as there had never before been any sort of limits on positions at Signore, and that if she expected more money for more positions, it was customary to point that out beFOREhand than afterward.

I did what all good mongers should at that point: I got in her face and told her "I paid for what I got and what you asked for" and took it up with the idiot "manager" outside -- you know, the guy whose job it is to explain to you why you can't get your money back after you got ripped off -- they have one in EVERY hooker establishment in Mexico, and if you haven't run into them yet, you are a fuckin' rookie!

We all argued for 2-3 minutes, and finally the girl sighed and said, "well, if your money means that much to you, keep it". AND I DID!

What did I lose? I lost a potential fave in a nearby brothel, but one that saw me as a fucking S-U-C-K-E-R, someone who paid 100% tip and all I wanted was an honest effort. What did THEY lose? A customer willing to come 4-5 times a month with the ability to spread goodwill about the place, something I've done MANY times here, other forums, to visiting friends.

They won, obviously.

For those wondering who to believe about MTY, TOTALLY up to YOU. But I hold the place to a higher standard than some. Comparing it to Asia is a FUCKING JOKE, and as much as USB tries to convince himself he's getting some sort of bargain there, his head's moving from in the sand to UP HIS TRASERO!

I was being a little facetious toying with Porker...But seriously,

The problem is, the numbers per capita in Monterrey that deliver GFE, and are charming and fun, and void, seemingly, of disingenuous games, versus the numbers available in Asia that do likewise, is no comparison. In that assessment, Porker is correct. You can land in the PI, and in one hour find what it may take months to identify and conquer in Monterrey.

However, that does not mean that Monterrey is devoid of such opportunities. It just means that it requires more time, money, and effort in relation to money spent on the ground in Asia to achieve the identical, and arguably, superior kind of scenario.

However, for my money, Mexicanas have the Asian girls beat on almost all fronts with respect to sensuality...that is, when I find one that conforms "Asia Style" in her approach. And, the only time that occurs in Mexico is when there is a legitimate side developed through my own relentless effort to enhance their legitimate affections.

The Asian girls seem to have an inherent legitimacy in their approach, whereas you have to work very hard to get past the "larceny" that seems to be in-bred among our Mexicanas. Therefore, it takes a lot of work to get past that streak of larceny.

IMHO, Mexicanas are better lovers than the Asian girls. But, for every one that I find that meets my criteria, Porker, next week, will find fifty in half the amount of time, and they will all be as sweet and genuine acting as you could ever wish for.



[QUOTE=Porker]Regio, DUDE, BELIEVE ME, I GET! I know the rules of the game and will categorically state the rules of the game in Mexico are NOT FOR ME. I repeat, in case there's any doubt, NOT FOR ME.

If there are OTHERS in the world that wanna average spending 100 bucks a day and get a kiss on the cheek as they pay their bill OR spend 500 bucks a day to get 2 hours of sex in their hotel and think they are getting some sort of value for their money, well, GOOD for THEM!

I save my meager funds for what I consider much better value, and will stack my deals up against anywhere in the world.[/QUOTE]

USB, my reference to "fuck machines" was a comparison between hookrs that actually know their job and DELIVER and those that think they are somehow above the fray and think their job is to laugh at your jokes while you pay 60 bucks+/hour for that. It isn't "social skills" that makes the difference, IMO, it's the ridiculously diminished expectations of their clients. Idiots buying jarras aren't doing it because the girl is "charming" it's because they're looking for some outlying mongering goal than the average monger -- getting laid takes a back seat to schmoozing with a prosty.

OK, you've spent 6 days (is that right???) in the Philippines, and I've spent 3000 days in Mexico?

But I WILL ADMIT, if ONE were to spend 500+ USD per day in Mexico, they could find the odd GFE there that would be generally satisfactory for a couple hours at a time.


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I was being a little facetious toying with Porker...But seriously,

The problem is, the numbers per capita in Monterrey that deliver GFE, and are charming and fun, and void, seemingly, of disingenuous games, versus the numbers available in Asia that do likewise, is no comparison. In that assessment, Porker is correct. You can land in the PI, and in one hour find what it may take months to identify and conquer in Monterrey.

However, that does not mean that Monterrey is devoid of such opportunities. It just means that it requires more time, money, and effort in relation to money spent on the ground in Asia to achieve the identical, and arguably, superior kind of scenario.

However, for my money, Mexicanas have the Asian girls beat on almost all fronts with respect to sensuality...that is, when I find one that conforms "Asia Style" in her approach. And, the only time that occurs in Mexico is when there is a legitimate side developed through my own relentless effort to enhance their legitimate affections.

The Asian girls seem to have an inherent legitimacy in their approach, whereas you have to work very hard to get past the "larceny" that seems to be in-bred among our Mexicanas. Therefore, it takes a lot of work to get past that streak of larceny.

IMHO, Mexicanas are better lovers than the Asian girls. But, for every one that I find that meets my criteria, Porker, next week, will find fifty in half the amount of time, and they will all be as sweet and genuine acting as you could ever wish for.[/QUOTE]

Ths is where USB is wrong, this is the part where Porker knows best.

USB is wrong in saying that the girls do not give GFE, even his brand of GFE.
They do, but this the case where they just don't give it to him.
Why?
I don't know... USB has never ever been able to tell us why.
We can only suppose he just blows it some where along the line.

I mean, I get tons of GFE... I just DON'T want a girlfriend per se.

Now Porker know best.
He has found HIS brand of fun at SEA .. good for him.
Simply put, if he rules over there, why should he serve over here?
I mean, words more or less, that Porker has adapted to a style that he has always been looking for... servile.
One that really needs his money and they bend over backwards to fit his needs.

That does not happen in Monterrey and Porker has lost his capacity to distinguish from his left hand and his right hand: Mexico will not be SEA for him.

But he just confirmed what I said, he's style is confrontational.
Even if he doesn't intend voluntarly to confront, he atracts confrontation one way or another.
Porker does not like how the dynamics of Monterrey businesses work, some how, some way something will spark a controversy.

But again he´s right, he has found heaven in SEA, one that fits him like a glove.

PS: Signore is still good... ante has gone up cause some girls now really believe that Signore has gone up a notch. If I go to Signore to test ride the MP, I give the girl a 200 pesos tip (yes 200 pesos). 200 + 150 starting price puts it at 350, 150 pesos lower than what I pay at Infinito (500 average), which is still a BIG deal over all the SC and many MPs.




[QUOTE=Porker]OK, you've spent 6 days (is that right???) in the Philippines, and I've spent 3000 days in Mexico?

But I WILL ADMIT, if ONE were to spend 500+ USD per day in Mexico, they could find the odd GFE there that would be generally satisfactory for a couple hours at a time.[/QUOTE]

Mein Freund, you spend more money on DRINKS in a MONTH for girls to LAUGH AT YOUR JOKES than I spend on a plane ticket to Asia.

I agree that I hold my working girls to a higher standard than the average Mexican client who thinks that 8 minutes with her clothes still 1/2way on is standard service. Oh, and that's for the guy that actually wants SEX! The pathetic losers that spend HOURS "romancing" their working girls and barely even getting to touch them are beyond hope.

As far as the Mexican GFE, beLIEVE ME, I have experienced it, and it wasn't all that great? If you all are believing all the "ooh papi" crap, I really shouldn't burst your bubbles.

Re: being confrontational, exactly what is supposed to be the response when you have already 2x paid a tip to your MP girl for a half hour session, 100% TIP over the cost of the session, and she complains that you actually owe her 50 pesos PER POSITION MORE? Would YOU not get confrontational?

And in the end, it was HER that ASKED for MORE SEX?

Dude, I'm not exaggerating or leaving out details. She bitched and whined for money way worse than any MTY girl I've ever been with and even AFTER I had been pretty generous with her (in my obviously biased opinion).

And you know better than ANYONE what happens whenever a customer complains about ANYTHING in a Mexican hooker establishment, the customer is ALWAYS WRONG!

You are sooooo wrong.
The same way I insisted for a while that you were totally clueless going to SEA, and now I don't do it, the same way you insist I don't know my business at the clubs.

It is very different what you think you see, from what I do behind scenes.

I never boast the girls I have, I never point them out I never say when I see them... I think USB is the only one that has met ALMOST the whole roster.
(Wasted is totally clueless about it)

Also... yes, I spend my fair amount of money. But I have never said I regret spending it.
What I do, I do... done and ready for next week.

Same way you do when you travel to SEA: save a lot of money and then go and have fun.
I haven't complained in a while and I will never say again that you spend more money in plane ticket than I spend with the girls.
Noticed that?
Nope... you still just want to confront what I do.
I have learned that you LOVE what you do. I will leave you to your business in SEA, one I just don't understand, but will not complain.
Will you please also understand that you just don't understand how the business is running now in Mexico?





[QUOTE=Porker]Mein Freund, you spend more money on DRINKS in a MONTH for girls to LAUGH AT YOUR JOKES than I spend on a plane ticket to Asia.

I agree that I hold my working girls to a higher standard than the average Mexican client who thinks that 8 minutes with her clothes still 1/2way on is standard service. Oh, and that's for the guy that actually wants SEX! The pathetic losers that spend HOURS "romancing" their working girls and barely even getting to touch them are beyond hope.

As far as the Mexican GFE, beLIEVE ME, I have experienced it, and it wasn't all that great? If you all are believing all the "ooh papi" crap, I really shouldn't burst your bubbles.[/QUOTE]