Berlin

[QUOTE=Jackyo]Women have actually said to me that they would prefer not to have to deal with outsized equipment.

Some of them are physically not able to accomodate it and they'd much rather not.

I regularly see someone here locally. We have a nice level of familiarity and we often talk about what she likes and doesn't like. She says sex should create a pleasant sense of fullness but not of being stretched to the limit. I once poked at her a little too vigorously and she had to ask me to ease up because I was touching her cervix. Seems that reaching in that far is not pleasant.[/QUOTE]

I always find it somehow funny how much many men worry about the size of their unit and how little women care. Even failing to attain an erection is not a hanging offense to most women as long as the man stays with the situation and handles it with some humor.

Conversely, many women think that their breasts are just too tiny and walk around covering them up when some men (such as your truly) are completely nuts about small breasts.

I guess such is human nature.

Do my esteemed elders have an opinion comparing Berlin to Prague. Exclusive of the clubs and FKK's, which city is superior? I am especially interested in your experiences with outcall escorts.

Looking forward to the various inputs.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]

The thing about visiting a Partytreff is to enjoy yourself. Despite what you may think, nobody cares what you look like or what you do. Nobody is on the sidelines making comments about you. They are all busy with their own (sexual) needs.

There are dudes who visit Partytreffs who stand out more than you do.

In NRW, there is a one-armed man I've come across several times during my club visits. (He could very well be the one armed man that Dr. Richard Kimble of "The Fugitive" was looking for.) Once at PT Dorsten there were two armless dudes who dropped in to partake in the debauchery.

It always amazes me that though the Germans are quite [i]sportlich[/i] there are huge numbers of really obese dudes out there who you come across at these clubs. I mean huge as in the size of a polled Hereford or a Holsteiner.

So relax. Just be yourself. Poke at whoever you want to. And when you feel like going back and poking at her again, just go do it. This is what it is about. Don't be repressed.[/QUOTE]

Jackyo, while we're on this topic, do you know if it's acceptable just to attend a PT but not to participate sexually at all?

What I mean basically is just to sit up at the bar or wherever, partake of a few beers and sit back and enjoy the atmosphere, goings-on etc.

Or would the others there consider that kind of behaviour a bit inhibiting?

Reading the reports in the PT section at places like Mettmann etc, it seems as soon as you get settled then you're approached, chatted-up, fondled etc...

So I'm surmising if you're not willing to get 'down and dirty' then this could be a little disconcerting for the others and considered 'bad sport'?

I understand the etiquette in Swinger Clubs is 'Alles kann, nichts muss' but is it the same, I wonder, in PT clubs?

Or does nobody really give a toss whether you join-in or not ???

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]I always find it somehow funny how much many men worry about the size of their unit and how little women care. Even failing to attain an erection is not a hanging offense to most women as long as the man stays with the situation and handles it with some humor.

Conversely, many women think that their breasts are just too tiny and walk around covering them up when some men (such as your truly) are completely nuts about small breasts.

I guess such is human nature.[/QUOTE]
I fully agree with my esteemed colleagues.

Although it's been rumored that I am blessed with a porn star tool (LOL), it's actually only an average model. Yet, invariably, when I am with Asian women, they comment on its size, and I find, that I easily fill them up and almost always bring them to a vaginal orgasm, something that is not as easy to accomplish with non- Asians. BTW, many of them also find body hair to be exotic and a turn on, while in many Western societies it's normal and excess body hair may be a turn off.

It's not the size of the equipment that matters, but whether or not you know how to use the tools that you are provided with to get the job done.

I'm a breast man (then again, I'm also an ass man, a legs man, a face man, a hair man and a neck man) but prefer a nice natural set to some of the outrageous enhanced sets of mammaries that are often seen at the clubs. Yet, we've all met SP with perfectly serviceable breasts, who are saving up for a boob job. I often find myself, building up her own body self-esteem, by telling her how attractive I find her natural gifts, how many men prefer the natural feel to the heft of silicone and saline, and trying to dissuade her from going under the knife. I tell her that you don't tinker with perfection.

And I tell them, "It's not the size of the equipment that matters, but whether or not you know how to use the tools that you are provided with to get the job done."

[QUOTE=Gergiev]Jackyo, while we're on this topic, do you know if it's acceptable just to attend a PT but not to participate sexually at all?

What I mean basically is just to sit up at the bar or wherever, partake of a few beers and sit back and enjoy the atmosphere, goings-on etc.

Or would the others there consider that kind of behaviour a bit inhibiting?

Reading the reports in the PT section at places like Mettmann etc, it seems as soon as you get settled then you're approached, chatted-up, fondled etc...

So I'm surmising if you're not willing to get 'down and dirty' then this could be a little disconcerting for the others and considered 'bad sport'?

I understand the etiquette in Swinger Clubs is 'Alles kann, nichts muss' but is it the same, I wonder, in PT clubs?

Or does nobody really give a toss whether you join-in or not ???[/QUOTE]
Well no one will find it inhibiting or disconcerting, a little strange maybe, but everyone will get over it really quickly and go along on their own business, leaving you alone if you so desire.

You probably will not be the most popular person in the club that day as the girls may feel slightly insulted by your perceived rejection of all of them. What type of guy turns down multiple offers for sex, that are basically free since you've already paid the entrance fee?

Not sure if I understand the rationalization for a physically healthy male going to a sex club, paying to get in with no intent to participate, but alles kann, nicht muss, works in this environment too and if that's how you get your kicks, the clubs will be happy to take your Euros.

[QUOTE=Iseeu]Well no one will find it inhibiting or disconcerting, a little strange maybe, but everyone will get over it really quickly and go along on their own business, leaving you alone if you so desire.

You probably will not be the most popular person in the club that day as the girls may feel slightly insulted by your perceived rejection of all of them. What type of guy turns down multiple offers for sex, that are basically free since you've already paid the entrance fee?

Not sure if I understand the rationalization for a physically healthy male going to a sex club, paying to get in with no intent to participate, but alles kann, nicht muss, works in this environment too and if that's how you get your kicks, the clubs will be happy to take your Euros.[/QUOTE]

Iseeu, thanks for that. As all my previous experience is with escorts etc in a private environment I'm not sure how a visit to a PT would turn out for me. I guess I'm working on a default position/exit strategy if my nerve was to fail under these conditions or if the house ladies didn't really do anything for me...standards seem to vary at PT clubs.

However reading all about it here has certainly, er, aroused my curiosity...

I may also be thinking of the reports from Bernd's which seems to be full of German locals/regulars who attend but don't necessarily appear to get involved in the 'action' ??

But there again perhaps that's because that's an FKK club although the raunchiest one around going by reports...

[QUOTE=Gergiev]Jackyo, while we're on this topic, do you know if it's acceptable just to attend a PT but not to participate sexually at all?

What I mean basically is just to sit up at the bar or wherever, partake of a few beers and sit back and enjoy the atmosphere, goings-on etc.

Or would the others there consider that kind of behaviour a bit inhibiting?

Reading the reports in the PT section at places like Mettmann etc, it seems as soon as you get settled then you're approached, chatted-up, fondled etc...

So I'm surmising if you're not willing to get 'down and dirty' then this could be a little disconcerting for the others and considered 'bad sport'?

I understand the etiquette in Swinger Clubs is 'Alles kann, nichts muss' but is it the same, I wonder, in PT clubs?

Or does nobody really give a toss whether you join-in or not ???[/QUOTE]
If you just want to sit back and watch the public proceedings, that shouldn't be a problem.

At some PTs the women do the approaching. At some others, you will have to approach them.

Mettmann is, however, a special case.

A dude sitting alone at this club will soon have one of the "girls" coming up to him asking why he is sitting alone (assuming that the club isn't full). She will sit with you and before you know it, you've got your thing inside her mouth or other orifice.

The bar area at Mettmann is particularly unsafe. I've seen bar top dancing there, wanton displays of tits, ass or pussy and gratuitous BJs and even poking.

Is there a place there to hide at Mettmann? Not really. Anyone in the sauna, z. B., is considered fair game. (See Iseeu's post on his last visit.)

All of this female aggressiveness can be traumatizing. Those of us who've experienced it are permanently scarred for life. This is why we get together on this forum to write about it. Its a form of therapy.

I wouldn't say "no" to these advances. Even if I had said "no" a certain part of me would be quite rigid and giving its assent.

Reminds me of a session I had with a chick at Samya. We'd done the nasty deed and were just kind of lying in bed chatting when she starts to really talk dirty to me.

Then something catches her attention. She looks down and says: "This kind of talk is turning you on, isn't it?" Dicks don't lie. She was turning me on again and a single session turned into a multiple session.

In the end, let your dick decide. It knows best.

[QUOTE=Iseeu]It's not the size of the equipment that matters, but whether or not you know how to use the tools that you are provided with to get the job done.

I'm a breast man (then again, I'm also an ass man, a legs man, a face man, a hair man and a neck man) but prefer a nice natural set to some of the outrageous enhanced sets of mammaries that are often seen at the clubs. Yet, we've all met SP with perfectly serviceable breasts, who are saving up for a boob job. I often find myself, building up her own body self-esteem, by telling her how attractive I find her natural gifts, how many men prefer the natural feel to the heft of silicone and saline, and trying to dissuade her from going under the knife. I tell her that you don't tinker with perfection.[/QUOTE]
An ex-girlfriend has said to me though that once dicks in a flaccid, spent state, they have all of the charm of a rubber chicken. Which is true. It looks so much better when it is standing tall and rigid as a telephone pole.

I had a conversation the last time with a chick who though her lower lips were misshapen and that she thought she should have them made more esthetically pleasing: they were larger and fuller on side which I thought was appealing but she was of a different opinion.

[QUOTE=JohnThomas0519]Do my esteemed elders have an opinion comparing Berlin to Prague. Exclusive of the clubs and FKK's, which city is superior? I am especially interested in your experiences with outcall escorts.

Looking forward to the various inputs.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Jackyo]If you just want to sit back and watch the public proceedings, that shouldn't be a problem.

At some PTs the women do the approaching. At some others, you will have to approach them.

Mettmann is, however, a special case.

A dude sitting alone at this club will soon have one of the "girls" coming up to him asking why he is sitting alone (assuming that the club isn't full). She will sit with you and before you know it, you've got your thing inside her mouth or other orifice.

The bar area at Mettmann is particularly unsafe. I've seen bar top dancing there, wanton displays of tits, ass or pussy and gratuitous BJs and even poking.

Is there a place there to hide at Mettmann? Not really. Anyone in the sauna, z. B., is considered fair game. (See Iseeu's post on his last visit.)

All of this female aggressiveness can be traumatizing. Those of us who've experienced it are permanently scarred for life. This is why we get together on this forum to write about it. Its a form of therapy.

I wouldn't say "no" to these advances. Even if I had said "no" a certain part of me would be quite rigid and giving its assent.

Reminds me of a session I had with a chick at Samya. We'd done the nasty deed and were just kind of lying in bed chatting when she starts to really talk dirty to me.

Then something catches her attention. She looks down and says: "This kind of talk is turning you on, isn't it?" Dicks don't lie. She was turning me on again and a single session turned into a multiple session.

In the end, let your dick decide. It knows best.[/QUOTE]

Jackyo, thanks for that, a very comprehensive reply...

I think I read previously the best way to introduce one's self to this scene would be to go Sauna Club, FKK, Swinger Club then PT Club which seems like a good progression if you have the time and opportunity at your disposal...

[QUOTE=Iseeu]Well no one will find it inhibiting or disconcerting, a little strange maybe, but everyone will get over it really quickly and go along on their own business, leaving you alone if you so desire.

You probably will not be the most popular person in the club that day as the girls may feel slightly insulted by your perceived rejection of all of them. What type of guy turns down multiple offers for sex, that are basically free since you've already paid the entrance fee?

Not sure if I understand the rationalization for a physically healthy male going to a sex club, paying to get in with no intent to participate, but alles kann, nicht muss, works in this environment too and if that's how you get your kicks, the clubs will be happy to take your Euros.[/QUOTE]

Iseeu, I just noticed the title on your post, ie 'Voyeur in PT Land'. Actually that's not what I was driving at (although I can understand reading it back how it could be construed that way).

What I meant was as a first-time PT visitor who might sit up at the bar, get a drink or two in to settle the nerves while getting their bearings and deciding if this particular scene was for them.

Then, even if public performance wasn't for them they might end up staying and enjoying the, er, somewhat Bachanalian atmosphere...and of course as you've paid the entrance fee, then you might as well get your money's worth in food and drink...

But in an ideal world, not how I'd be looking to get my kicks, so to speak!

I wouldn't necessarily call this voyeurism, just another form of decadent relaxation, perhaps...

If it was voyeurism I was after, then I might have been called I-see-u ;-)

[QUOTE=Gergiev]But in an ideal world, not how I'd be looking to get my kicks, so to speak!

I wouldn't necessarily call this voyeurism, just another form of decadent relaxation, perhaps...

If it was voyeurism I was after, then I might have been called I-see-u ;-)[/QUOTE]
Hey, There's nothing wrong with just perving. No need for an explanation or to be apologetic.

It is a great type of place for some "decadent relaxation", and it's one of the things that are great about the really good FKK clubs, swinger clubs and partytreffs. It's a great show, the greatest show on earth, an overload of sensory sights.

And congrats on decoding my moniker. Yes, I like to watch.
(Peter Sellers, "Being There" [url]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078841/[/url]).

But I also like to plant my seed and spread my root...(you have to see the movie to get this)

[QUOTE=Gergiev]Jackyo, thanks for that, a very comprehensive reply...

I think I read previously the best way to introduce one's self to this scene would be to go Sauna Club, FKK, Swinger Club then PT Club which seems like a good progression if you have the time and opportunity at your disposal...[/QUOTE]
Not a problem at all, dude!

Yes, there is a progression. I didn't make the leap to sex out in the open in one bound. I started out with visits to clubs where women did BJs on the couches in full view of the rest of the room but then we'd stand up and grab a room. Then there were women who did the preliminaries on the couch and then just proceeded to impaling themselves on me right there and then. Then there was sex in rooms without doors. And then before you knew it I didn't care whether there were other folks around me or not.

Its a natural, healthy function and there shouldn't be any shame attached to it. Everyone does it.

I think what guys fear though is that the equipment might not work under pressure or that the audience will start making comments in the background.

I tune out on the audience. They can be there or not there and I'd still have my fun.

If you want to ease yourself into it, you might visit one of the premium pricing PTs which are PTs in name only. I say this because, they mostly have their activities in private rooms. Poleposition and PT Traumland would be among them. I say premium pricing because they have two pricing schemes: 99 Euro for three hours and 150 Euros for the whole day.

They will let you pick the cheaper alternative and after three hours decide on doing an upgrade if you want.

As some guys on the RF have pointed out, these clubs aren't really PTs but more Pauschalclubs: pay one price, you can do it with whoever you want as often as you want. The true sense of a PT is that everything is done out in the open.

You might also visit PT Dolce Vita in Wagenfeld. You have the option of either full, out in the open sex or going to a "private" room. I say "private" because the rooms don't have doors and folks wandering by can watch.

I was screwing Suzi once in one of those rooms when a regular she knows comes by, stands in the doorway and starts telling her about his last vacation. I don't stop at all, just keep at it while all of this is going on. It borders on the surreal. When I stand up to leave, the other dude comes in for his session.

At least he was polite enough to just stand at the door. At some of the other PTs when they are full the guys (usually groups of younger ethnic dudes) will sit on the mattress with you and your chick and make rude comments. This is not cool.

The only club though where true group sex takes place is PT Mettmann. Everyone piles onto the communal bed and finds someone to get together with. You can just move from one partner to the next. Find an empty hole and go poke at it. The women don't even turn around to find out who is poking at them.

At the other PTs (even the wildest ones), you almost never go to the communal bed unless you have a partner. And when you are done, the women will yell at you to shower first before you have a follow on session. Get used to it: "Dusche!"

[QUOTE=Jackyo]

I had a conversation the last time with a chick who though her lower lips were misshapen and that she thought she should have them made more esthetically pleasing: they were larger and fuller on side which I thought was appealing but she was of a different opinion.[/QUOTE]

Mein Gott. I would pay extra for a girl with nice, beautifully shaped, big pussy lips. I just love the big hanging curtains;-)

[QUOTE=Iseeu]Hey, There's nothing wrong with just perving. No need for an explanation or to be apologetic.

It is a great type of place for some "decadent relaxation", and it's one of the things that are great about the really good FKK clubs, swinger clubs and partytreffs. It's a great show, the greatest show on earth, an overload of sensory sights.

And congrats on decoding my moniker. Yes, I like to watch.
(Peter Sellers, "Being There" [url]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078841/[/url]).

But I also like to plant my seed and spread my root...(you have to see the movie to get this)[/QUOTE]

Nothing at all wrong with a bit of perving. In my experience perving only has "bad" (meaning unpleasant) energy when one is surreptitious about, when one tries to hide it. Good honest perving is one of the reasons I love to monger.

Myself, I love to watch and with my recent experience at Artemis, in the Kino, found that fucking in public can be quite stimulating. This surprised me some as I really thought little A would object to a public display.

This Partytreff scene is sounding more and more interesting.

AM