Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Franco Cozzo]...

Everyone: I had kind of assumed from reading posts that enough WLs said yes to video that anyone could get visual souvenirs by just continually asking if 'click-click is on the menu' - or maybe by having a tripod set up next to the bed, and discuss it when the lady is in your room.

Am I mistaken? Is it actually quite rare (or at least for those women you want to remember, and look at photos of later)?

Does offering an extra tip help convince many who are resistant at first (and how much)?

I don't think I morally agree with filming without consent, but had planned on coming back with some video for later perusal, and lots of pics for the forum, so morality may lose out in the end.[/QUOTE]

You're probably not mistaken and can find willing WL models with a little effort. I've taken pictures on previous visits some of which can be found in the Photo Gallery and/or it's archives. Don't know the law in Thailand, but it may well be that nudity is illegal, as is prostitution. LE doesn't seem to actively pursue, but some discretion may be advisable.

Being a tourist, I carry a camera with me at all times. If you're in Soi Cowboy as bars are opening at 4PM, you may find photo ops as I have. If the bar isn't crowded and you're the first customer, the girls may happily trade topless pics for the purchase of drinks. If you're the type of monger that gripes and groans at paying 1500 baht for ST, you'll probably choke and gag at the thought of paying for just pictures. The choice is yours, but I've found it to be good entertainment for the money.

You may also have likely success at Beergarden on Soi 7. Let the girl of choice know you're interested in ST AND pictures and she may not charge extra. From my experience no hidden cameras or deception is necessary. MPs tend to be more problematic, but not impossible with some discretion.

There's entirely too few honest and uncensored images of providers in the Thailand Photo Gallery. I'm hoping you'll share some of yours when you get the chance.

[QUOTE=Global Surfer]However, in reality the quality was high but not that high and some of them have attitude problem. Also some A+ goes empty handed. According to the Russian they usually move to Spicy or Shock after 2am. However, she does not seem to worry too much about the high price in CM2.

I hope that some senior member may be able to shed some light on this issue.[/QUOTE]for me CM2 is "Da Place".

1. it gets crowded earlier (11.30PM)than many clubs - so u can pick up girls still fresh and have more fun time with them.

2. Good Music (do we really care about it when we are hunting..?

3. better quality gilrs than many clubs as well Grace junction

So c u at CM2 on 26/12.

Cheers,

Ak

[QUOTE=Cometoak]Well said Star. You nailed it right on head.

I'm going to LOS again in December and I'll be hunting for russians as my over night companions. And planning to visit soapies to taste Thai girls during day time.! Best of both the worlds!

Cheers

AK[/QUOTE]

Good luck bro..yeah...BKK and Pattaya truly gives us a place to try it all at once....:)

[QUOTE=Cyberspace]You're probably not mistaken and can find willing WL models with a little effort. I've taken pictures on previous visits some of which can be found in the Photo Gallery and/or it's archives. Don't know the law in Thailand, but it may well be that nudity is illegal, as is prostitution. LE doesn't seem to actively pursue, but some discretion may be advisable.

Being a tourist, I carry a camera with me at all times. If you're in Soi Cowboy as bars are opening at 4PM, you may find photo ops as I have. If the bar isn't crowded and you're the first customer, the girls may happily trade topless pics for the purchase of drinks. If you're the type of monger that gripes and groans at paying 1500 baht for ST, you'll probably choke and gag at the thought of paying for just pictures. The choice is yours, but I've found it to be good entertainment for the money.

You may also have likely success at Beergarden on Soi 7. Let the girl of choice know you're interested in ST AND pictures and she may not charge extra. From my experience no hidden cameras or deception is necessary. MPs tend to be more problematic, but not impossible with some discretion.

There's entirely too few honest and uncensored images of providers in the Thailand Photo Gallery. I'm hoping you'll share some of yours when you get the chance.[/QUOTE]
There are some important aspects of taking and posting pictures in this forum. Most girls will agree for clothed pics and action pics that do not show their face. If you put clothed pic and action pic you can imagine the total pic.
I do not believe working girl pics need to be photoshopped to mask her identity. You are not posting it in facebook or any other easily accessible website.
On the other hand pics of normal girls can be posted here but hide the identity.

[QUOTE=Sammon] ... pics of normal girls can be posted here but hide the identity.[/QUOTE]

Franco, I don't know you but I'm guessing you are or will be becoming an occasional visitor to Thailand and will be expending much time and finance in doing so. I would think it'd be a shame if you were buffaloed into taking less interesting "visual souvenirs" as a result of bad advice from this board. I may get some flack for saying this there does seem to be a local old hand cohort here that does whatever they can to discourage the taking and display of honest and uncensored provider images. One such old hand (probably NOT the one quoted above), had indicated that he lives and works in Thailand teaching students of which some were progeny of Thailand's elite. As you might imagine his pictures were heavily censored, and given his position I can respect this. But as a tourist this a bad attitude you need not adopt.

As far as posting here goes: THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO HIDE IDENTITY, AND THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO AVOID NUDITY. This is InternationalSexGuide and mongers as you and I will come here to get an honest view of what providers may be available. Kaintuck's images and mine should be examples of this already posted here. I'm hoping you'll help us out and post even better images when you come.

You guys were a great help. I leave soon, and will keep in mind all that you have told me. Glad to hear that nana is so close!

One last question. If I take a tuk tuk or taxi to soi cowboy, do I just say "soi cowboy"?

Sammon, don't listen to this crap. Cyber means: There is no requirement to respect the girls in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Cyberspace]THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO HIDE IDENTITY, AND THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO AVOID NUDITY.[/QUOTE]Nope, not on this board there isn't.

At the risk of getting seriously jumped on here, and at the risk of Jackson giving me the boot:

If the girl does not expressly indicate that it is OK to take her picture, there is a very distinct moral (read: legal) code that says that pictures taken secretly should not be shared with anyone IN PUBLIC. What you do in private is your own business, but this is the Internet, and this is ISG, just because it is a sex related board does NOT mean that it is a private vehicle to post surreptitiously obtained graphics and photography [b]that might actually hurt someone. [/b] In most cases, it's better to err on the side of being more careful, yes?

Well OK: If you don't want to adhere to this idea, then I say you are nothing but a fucking girl on the rag, making excuses that everything is OK "because I want it that way". Real men don't do that shit. Period! (sic)

WTF: I have lots of hours of vids taken from a hidden HD video camera in my condo & hotel rooms. Do I tell the chicks that I have taken their pics? Fuck no. BUT: Do I post their faces here? Fuck no. Do I list their names here? Fuck no. Do I consider people that can't control themselves, that have to brag out their hidden shit on the open Internet, to be pimply faced smarmy trashed-out bum-fuck low-lifes. Fuck yes.

Dude: Get your own freakin' website, password protect it, encrypt the docs, and do that shit on your own. Seriously, it's really easy shit. Get real, and just do it. Hell, you could even just use something as lame as the 'usenet', that's even easier. Heh.

Word: I am not pontificating some moral doctrine here from on high, not hardly, I would be a total hypocrite if I were. But, to get some sort of snorty snickery razzberry chortle here on ISG, at other people's expense, is basically childish and retarded. You don't know who's life you may be destroying, now do you? Obviously, you really [b]don't care[/b] about who it might be either, now do you? Therefore, you don't actually LIVE here, now do you?

Man up: Have fun, but don't fuck up other people's lives. Even if you ARE nothing but a dumbass tourist, and even if they ARE (to you) nothing but dumbass Thai.

Fuck it: I'm off to the beach, it's an insanely beautiful sunny day here in Phuket and I have to catch a plane to China tonight. C'ya.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888]... don't listen to this crap. ...[/QUOTE]I had honestly hoped this wouldn't devolve into a pointless flame war, but there are some important points that should be recognized in this discussion. For those that are open to reason I'd like to present them.

First, I can't see that taking pictures (even nude pictures) necessarily shows a disrespect for Thai women. It's certainly no more disrespectful than to barfine a woman for ST, LT, BBBJ, DFK or whatever, and I don't say this facetiously. WGs are engaged knowingly and willingly in a business usually to support their families. We the members of the InternationalSexGuide tend to unashamedly be the patrons their business. As I see it respect in a business transaction is shown by each side coming to an agreement and honestly following through on each's part of the bargain. Anyone that's followed this discussion will recognize that I don't advocate "hidden cameras" or "secret surveillance." If you've come to a mutual agreement with your model, THERE IS NO DISRESPECT INVOLVED.

Second, I can't know all the motivations involved in various ISG members trying to discourage the taking and display of uncensored and identifiable pictures of providers, though I have mentioned at least one in my previous posting in Bangkok Reports. But if you really consider my first point above, then you can be reasonably certain that RESPECT FOR THAI WOMEN IS NOT THEIR HONEST MOTIVATION.

Agree with barko,

Taking pictures is one thing.

Putting it on the internet without the girl knowing it (or knowing precisely the implications) is a completly different thing.

A girl should have a chance to start a new life if she wants without pictures of her staying for years in the internet in a monger's report.

[quote=cyberspace]i had honestly hoped this wouldn't devolve into a pointless flame war, but there are some important points that should be recognized in this discussion. for those that are open to reason i'd like to present them.

first, i can't see that taking pictures (even nude pictures) necessarily shows a disrespect for thai women. it's certainly no more disrespectful than to barfine a woman for st, lt, bbbj, dfk or whatever, and i don't say this facetiously. wgs are engaged knowingly and willingly in a business usually to support their families. we the members of the internationalsexguide tend to unashamedly be the patrons their business. as i see it respect in a business transaction is shown by each side coming to an agreement and honestly following through on each's part of the bargain. anyone that's followed this discussion will recognize that i don't advocate "hidden cameras" or "secret surveillance." if you've come to a mutual agreement with your model, there is no disrespect involved.

second, i can't know all the motivations involved in various isg members trying to discourage the taking and display of uncensored and identifiable pictures of providers, though i have mentioned at least one in my previous posting in bangkok reports. but if you really consider my first point above, then you can be reasonably certain that respect for thai women is not their honest motivation.[/quote]
you purposedly miss the main point made by barko: that is that what is questionnable is not taking the pictures, but posting them in a public forum without their consent. as simple as that..
i fully agree with barko's points.
the only case where i think it is ok to post uncensored, full face pictures of wgs is when they have agreed formally to you doing so. it is part of the deal you must have with a wg, like any other. for instance, you would not have forced anal sex with a wg if she does not agree. that would be called "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]". similarly you do not publish pictures of wgs without their consent. period.

[QUOTE=Cyberspace] This is InternationalSexGuide and mongers as you and I will come here to get an honest view of what providers may be available.[/QUOTE]

Yup, that is why i joined up - if all the faces/ acts were blurred I would probably have stuck to the no picture, text based forums, or not havebeen as compelled to get a paid subscription.

[QUOTE=Cyberspace] I'm hoping you'll help us out and post even better images when you come.[/QUOTE]

I am also hoping to do so. Hopefully i'll be posting here, in the Vietnam (mainly in Danang), Cambodia and Laos (if the opportunity presents) forums.

I would do the same for Melbourne Australia, except the only WL I know of where 'visual souvenirs' are OK charges AUS$300 an hour (wait - that would also be US$300 at the moment - hehe). She is also at least 10 years my senior (at least mid to late 40s), and has an annoying cockney accent, and seems to bareback a lot (not my thing for p(aid)4p)... though I may still go there if the urge compels me at a later date - so no flaming if I do upload pics and video at a later date. At the moment, non p4p are generally more camera friendly for me in Aus, but am looking forward to taking holiday snaps and giving back to the forum.

[QUOTE=Barko] If the girl does not expressly indicate that it is OK to take her picture, there is a very distinct moral (read: legal) code that says that pictures taken secretly should not be shared with anyone [/QUOTE]

Hello Barko - firstly, I respect your posts, so hopefully I do not put you offside with this response. However, I was not asking about pictures taken secretly (I do not know whether I morally agree with doing that); instead I was asking about pictures that you get permission to take (and Cyber was responding to this).

I do take your point about then posting them on an internet forum (which it would be much harder to get meaningful consent for). For this though I would think that the only people who are going to see the photos are going to be fellow mongerers, so the net affect would be possibly more customers for the lady (I plan on seeking out particularly attractive WLs with good reviews from this forum when in SE Asia). It is not likely that the WL's mother is going to be cruising ISG and painfully searching through the photo galleries to then stumble across the pictures.

[QUOTE=Dreams]You purposedly miss the main point made by Barko: that is that what is questionnable is not taking the pictures, but posting them in a public forum without their consent. As simple as that..
I fully agree with Barko's points. [/QUOTE]
Call me old school but this makes perfect sense to me! Many eventually do get out of the business and lead a 'normal' life. Don't screw it up for them.

[QUOTE=Dreams]The only case where I think it is OK to post uncensored, full face pictures of WGs is when they have agreed formally to you doing so. It is part of the deal you must have with a WG, like any other. Period.[/QUOTE]Ditto

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Call me old school but this makes perfect sense to me! Many eventually do get out of the business and lead a 'normal' life. Don't screw it up for them.
[/QUOTE]That was exactly my point. There is no problem to publish photos of any kind if the explicit permission is given. But only then. And I doubt this is true for most of the cases.