This article in the [I]Bangkok Post[/I] describes the ending of the curfew in Pattaya, Koh Samui and the entire island province of Phuket.
Http: www. Bangkokpost. Com / most-recent /413373/ curfew-ends-in-Pattaya-samui-phuket.
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This article in the [I]Bangkok Post[/I] describes the ending of the curfew in Pattaya, Koh Samui and the entire island province of Phuket.
Http: www. Bangkokpost. Com / most-recent /413373/ curfew-ends-in-Pattaya-samui-phuket.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1575788]This article in the [I]Bangkok Post[/I] describes the ending of the curfew in Pattaya, Koh Samui and the entire island province of Phuket.
Http: www. Bangkokpost. Com / most-recent /413373/ curfew-ends-in-Pattaya-samui-phuket. [/QUOTE]To Paul.
Thailand Government only lift the curfew for some tourist area not the whole country my understanding is Bangkok are still under the curfew correct.
Fast eddie 48.
[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1576002]To Paul.
Thailand Government only lift the curfew for some tourist area not the whole country my understanding is Bangkok are still under the curfew correct.
Fast eddie 48. [/QUOTE]Correct. The areas where the curfew was lifted is in my post.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1576042]Correct. The areas where the curfew was lifted is in my post. [/QUOTE]My friend in Bangkok told me two days ago she was in Bangkok Beat (Sukhumvite Soi 7/1) around 1:30 AM.
On my question how she was going home she mentioned by taxi and the disco would close earlier (3 AM).
She said with a taxi (she live between Lad Pao and Bangkapi), because Army wasnt controlling no longer.
It gaves me the impressions the curfew was already very very limited in Bangkok tourist area.
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[quote=western787;1575337]one of many scams being run to generate massive hysteria and keep the dollars rolling in. but don't hold your breath expecting the mainstream western media to ever follow up about all the phony ginned up stats that have been used in the last few decades. it just doesn't fit their agenda. just like "climate change" and all the phony claims in regard to supposed mass amounts of college [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] going on, claims first made 25 years back by ms magazine (using the koss study to create new fabricated claims). time magazine last week even was pushing some new phony claims. purportedly 10's of thousands or perhaps 100's of 1000's of males are plundering and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] women on college campuses each year.
http: www. cnn. com /2014/05/30/ world / asia / cambodia-sex-slavery-foundation-hero-resign / index. html.[/quote]thanks for the link. yes, you'll hear nothing in the msm about this. why? this kind of shit perfectly fits the feminist "world template. " all men are pigs, women all over the world are forced into sex slavery, yada, yada, yada. the pc police violently suppress any doubt and major companies, like estee lauder are shaken down. nutty lib celebs line up to be associated with these farces because it's the "cool" way to show "awareness" and that you care.
yes, the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] thing has gotten out of hand, too. suddenly every military base and military school is chock-full of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127][CodeWord127][/url], far out of line with society as a whole. but look deeper and you'll find that there is zero consequences for the neurotic broad who files false charges. in the military the woman is exempt from questioning by the accused (or his counsel), she can demand (and get) a transfer of the alleged miscreant, evidence is not required.
not too long ago a feminazi relative dredged up the old debunked canard about more wife beatings occurring on super bowl sunday, than on any other day. god, when will men collectively grow a pair and put these harpies in their place?
[QUOTE=BionicMan;1575361]My company, with the advise of their travel insurance covering a few thousands staff all over the world resumed traveling as normal in Thailand, after banning it soon after the coup. Only caution is required in insurgent areas near borders with Cambodia and Myanmar.
Caution that could be also advised in central London, if there is a sudden riot. So "business as usual".
No special exemption such as "travel but we do not cover hospital if you are hit by a grenade in BKK".[/QUOTE]Nearly all travel insurance covers you for most incidents, even when there is a civil war, coup, etc. Unless your injury is a result of that action. That's what mine says. For instance, if you feel off a bar stool drunk in Phuket and someone stole your wallet, you would be covered. If you went to a demonstration in Bangkok and got beating by a soldier, and then someone stole your wallet, you would not be covered.
On the news today in Thailand.
There is now no curfew in Pattaya. Phuket. And Ko Samui.
By meeting a girl from forums (for exmaple DIA) do you give her money (if yes, how much do they expect in average? When she is leaving (as you would do with a pro girl) or before she goes with you do you buy her something, invite her for a dinner, etc.?
[QUOTE=Otari;1576858]By meeting a girl from forums (for exmaple DIA) do you give her money (if yes, how much do they expect in average? When she is leaving (as you would do with a pro girl) or before she goes with you do you buy her something, invite her for a dinner, etc.?[/QUOTE]I think the ladies are looking to be compensated in some form for their time; be it experiences (dinner / night life) gifts or cash. How much cash you give her depends on how much you have spent on her already, how long she stays with you, and how satisfactory the experience was.
Discretely slip her some cash as she is leaving and call it "taxi money. " I donno on the amount maybe 1500 to 2000 baht sounds about right.
SunLover.
[QUOTE=Otari;1576858]By meeting a girl from forums (for exmaple DIA) do you give her money (if yes, how much do they expect in average? When she is leaving (as you would do with a pro girl) or before she goes with you do you buy her something, invite her for a dinner, etc.?[/QUOTE]Not if she is not a hooker. Have you guys EVER been on normal dates with women?
[QUOTE=Otari;1576858]By meeting a girl from forums (for exmaple DIA) do you give her money (if yes, how much do they expect in average? When she is leaving (as you would do with a pro girl) or before she goes with you do you buy her something, invite her for a dinner, etc.?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1577107]I think the ladies are looking to be compensated in some form for their time; be it experiences (dinner / night life) gifts or cash. How much cash you give her depends on how much you have spent on her already, how long she stays with you, and how satisfactory the experience was.
Discretely slip her some cash as she is leaving and call it "taxi money. " I donno on the amount maybe 1500 to 2000 baht sounds about right.
SunLover.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1577280]Not if she is not a hooker. Have you guys EVER been on normal dates with women?[/QUOTE]Man, got to side with Mr. E on this one. I, too, wonder the exact same thing.
To add my song sateng, if she's a hooker looking for customers, say on DIA, then she will mention money. Or, perhaps nice gifts or similar. But there will be discussion of some sort of compensation. If she's not a hooker she won't. Of course, the non-hookers won't jump into bed with you after a couple of chats on DIA and a bowl of som tam.
I've met several civvies on DIA over the years. Some I got to sleep with, some not. NONE of them mentioned money and, had I offered, there would have been a scene. I've also met plenty of hookers (defined as any woman who will exchange sex for money or other compensation) on DIA and, brother, if you can't tell the difference after a 30 minute chat, you have some serious interpersonal issues.
I will say, however, that in a traditional dating scenario you will probably be expected to pay for the bulk of the evening. Normal girls will usually offer to chip in for things, or drive, or things like that. But you make far more money than she does, even if she has a good job, so it's only fair. I've read about some dickweeds that insist the girl split the cost of everything.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1577294]Man, got to side with Mr. E on this one. I, too, wonder the exact same thing..[/QUOTE]Yes, but let's face it, 95% of the guys being here and using dating sites are doing so just as web pick up bar, hunting for a night stand.
This is also confirmed by many guys inviting the girl straight to their room at 4 pm (certainly not for a romantic candle light dinner) and the girls ready to do so, even if not mentioning money before hand. But surely expecting some sort of taxi money. Especially if one is a non resident foreigner.
So I would not neither blame the guy for the question, nor I think he might not be in a position or never has been dating normal women.
BTW, this is a forum on P4P sex, so the majority of the talks do take this into account.
I have met tons of women in Thailand through dating sites and have had sex with 80% of them the first time we laid eyes on each other when I was just visiting Thailand and while I have been living in Thailand. 90% of them I am still in contact with. I have given 0% of them money. It all depends on your game and chemistry. If you are not doing it home then don't expect to do it elsewhere. If I want a hooker then I prefer to choose them live and on the spot rather than wasting time doing it through a website.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1577319]I have met tons of women in Thailand through dating sites and have had sex with 80% of them the first time we laid eyes on each other when I was just visiting Thailand and while I have been living in Thailand. 90% of them I am still in contact with. I have given 0% of them money. It all depends on your game and chemistry. If you are not doing it home then don't expect to do it elsewhere. If I want a hooker then I prefer to choose them live and on the spot rather than wasting time doing it through a website.[/QUOTE]I'm too lazy to use dating sites, but I know men who do. They tell me the same thing. They have sex with almost all of the women they meet on the first date. Remember these are Thai women who agree to a date with a farang. These women may believe there is an expectation they will have sex with the man on the first date and accept this when they agree to go out. When I was a young man in the 1970's, there were popular pickup bars where everyone in the bar assumed everyone was their looking for someone of the opposite sex to fuck. If a lady spent more than a few minutes with you, you knew how the evening was going to end. Over time that scene has changed. I suspect over time the expectations of Thai women who use dating sites may also change.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1577319]I have met tons of women in Thailand through dating sites and have had sex with 80% of them the first time we laid eyes on each other when I was just visiting Thailand and while I have been living in Thailand. 90% of them I am still in contact with. I have given 0% of them money. It all depends on your game and chemistry. If you are not doing it home then don't expect to do it elsewhere. If I want a hooker then I prefer to choose them live and on the spot rather than wasting time doing it through a website.[/QUOTE]I agree on this, but as for everyone YMMV. As I said, if you are a visitor tehre is only reason to sue a dating site and it is to find someone to take to bed.
It does not mean it is the best strategy and the most successfull. That is another story.
Payong vs, not paying. We are not, I say again, to investigate about romances so inquiries on this forum refer to P4 P, it is not a drama.
I too not look for women t otake to bed through dating sites.
They are good to dream at the opportunities available but it is a waste of time: if you are abroad, the girls wishes to see you "soon", if you are there it takes too long to be sure soemthing will happen.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1577319]I have met tons of women in Thailand through dating sites and have had sex with 80% of them the first time we laid eyes on each other when I was just visiting Thailand and while I have been living in Thailand. 90% of them I am still in contact with. I have given 0% of them money. It all depends on your game and chemistry. If you are not doing it home then don't expect to do it elsewhere. If I want a hooker then I prefer to choose them live and on the spot rather than wasting time doing it through a website.[/QUOTE]It doesn't take much to pick up civvies in Asia, while in North America it would be like watching paint dry.
Even an old fart like me with zero game has Thai ladies half my age hitting on me when I've shown no interest in them whatsoever.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1577280]Not if she is not a hooker. Have you guys EVER been on normal dates with women?[/QUOTE]Yer I am with Mr Enternational on this one.
I have meet lots of non hookers and had a good time some all night for free some I give some food money.
You will know the ones looking for money all pro on the date site.
Come on go get some NORMAL dates.
[QUOTE=HotShaneHot;1577543]Yer I am with Mr Enternational on this one.
I have meet lots of non hookers and had a good time some all night for free some I give some food money.
You will know the ones looking for money all pro on the date site.
Come on go get some NORMAL dates.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the suggestion, but no thanks.
I prefer abnormal dates. Way fewer headaches that way.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1577334]I'm too lazy to use dating sites, but I know men who do. They tell me the same thing. They have sex with almost all of the women they meet on the first date. Remember these are Thai women who agree to a date with a farang. These women may believe there is an expectation they will have sex with the man on the first date and accept this when they agree to go out. [/QUOTE]I think this is a misconception. Men love to brag of their exploits, and 50% is close enough to "almost all". If you narrow the search for single moms from Issan working as a waitress or maid with those bargirl looks, yeah, they'll likely sleep with you on the first date. If they don't speak English, you don't speak Thai, and you don't immediately turn them off, what else is there to do?
However, if you pick a slightly higher demographic from the dating sites (university degree, normal jobs), the hit rate on the first date is lower, realistically somewhere between 20%-50% (for a guy in his 30's). Oddly, in this group, if a girl really likes you, it's likely she might put off the sex for the second date (just so she doesn't feel slutty).
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1578132] Oddly, in this group, if a girl really likes you, it's likely she might put off the sex for the second date (just so she doesn't feel slutty).[/QUOTE]Then the strategy should be to end the current date and reschedule it into a new date set for an hour later.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1578132]However, if you pick a slightly higher demographic from the dating sites (university degree, normal jobs), the hit rate on the first date is lower, realistically somewhere between 20%-50% (for a guy in his 30's). Oddly, in this group, if a girl really likes you, it's likely she might put off the sex for the second date (just so she doesn't feel slutty).[/QUOTE]My experience is much closer to this. If I want an Isaan lass with a 6th grade education I don't need a web site to do it. I always used the sites to find a demographic closer to what you've described.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1577107]I think the ladies are looking to be compensated in some form for their time; be it experiences (dinner / night life) gifts or cash. How much cash you give her depends on how much you have spent on her already, how long she stays with you, and how satisfactory the experience was.
Discretely slip her some cash as she is leaving and call it "taxi money. " I donno on the amount maybe 1500 to 2000 baht sounds about right.
SunLover.[/QUOTE]Thanks Sun Lover.
I believe that the Thai ladies would not date a farang if they didn't have to do it (they need money). Frankly do you think that we are attractive for them, especially if the age difference is big? I'm going to give them some money if the sex will be good.
[quote=pinkpearl;1577451]it doesn't take much to pick up civvies in asia, while in north america it would be like watching paint dry.
even an old fart like me with zero game has thai ladies half my age hitting on me when i've shown no interest in them whatsoever.[/quote]exactly and that (despite what "rick rock" was claiming last year) is precisely what makes bangkok way more interesting than for example new york city. and when you're a bit out of the city, lets say in a shopping mall, sometimes you got so many eyeballs on you, its like they haven't seen a farang in years. then lets say you're on the subway and you look like you need directions or whatever,. all sort of girls trying to help you w / o even you asking. nothing to do with hitting you per se, but instead just just trying to help you out, however many seem like they want to practice their english skills. but regardless its a quite a change from big cities in the usa. in nyc unless you're something like (madmen's) don draper, a guy over 40 is practically invisible to cute girls in their 20's let alone 18 or 19 years old.
Curfew finished. Bars opened Early Friday but unexpectedly got to close late. Saturday no Curfew. It's done. Interferes with watching WC. LOL.
Hey all,
Planning a trip for the first time to Thailand exclusively for mongering. Plan on being there for a week, and operating on a slightly tight budget. What cities\towns would you recommend a first timer go to where there's a decent chance of getting laid? Is Thailand even worth it now with the political crisis in the country?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1581301]Curfew finished. Bars opened Early Friday but unexpectedly got to close late. Saturday no Curfew. It's done. Interferes with watching WC. LOL.[/QUOTE]Great. Now I can get a BBBJ & watch the WC at the same time.
[QUOTE=UShomeboy;1581515]Hey all,
Planning a trip for the first time to Thailand exclusively for mongering. Plan on being there for a week, and operating on a slightly tight budget. What cities\towns would you recommend a first timer go to where there's a decent chance of getting laid? Is Thailand even worth it now with the political crisis in the country?[/QUOTE]Really? Have you read anything in this forum at all? Two pages of reading and all of your questions will be answered.
Short answers: BKK & Pattaya. Yes.
Read a bit. Show up. Enjoy LOS.
SW.
I'm doing research and planning for an upcoming 3-4 months backpacking trip in Thailand and Cambodia (first time in SE Asia) and while I've obviously read all the typical more or less common sense advice on keeping your valuables safe while traveling, is there anything I should be particularly observant about when dropping my pants and assorted other items in places like particularly massage parlours, where it's got to be difficult to keep an eye on your things if you're lying naked on your back or stomach?
Do you make an effort to always keep your things right next to you?
What about carrying around valuables like phone and passport in addition to just the cash you plan on spending that day? Stupid thing to do (well, obviously a lot of us are semi-handicapped without our smartphones these days)?
On a trip of this length I don't expect to be shelling out for anything close to luxury accommodation (maybe a mid-range hotel now and then, in Bangkok and Pattaya for instance), so I'm not sure if I should expect cheaper guest houses to have a room safe? Making it tempting to carry valuables around with me.
You can always roll your pants up and use them like a pillow during your massage.
Hello All,
Believe me, I've read this forum and many others all to find no answers to my question. So -- here it is. What is your experience purchasing Viagra and Cialis from those many street vendors along Sukhumvit Road in BKK? I know all the cautions. Really I do. Nevertheless, I tried some Cialis from one one of them right around Soi 13. Same packaging as from the pharmacies. No difference at all. Not out of date. Less than 200 THB for a packet of four pills. I tried it and it worked just fine. No complaints at all and at a huge discount from the pharmacies. What is your experience? What am I missing?
SW4.
[QUOTE=SirWilliam4;1581839]Hello All,. No complaints at all and at a huge discount from the pharmacies. What is your experience? What am I missing?
SW4.[/QUOTE]Maybe you are missing the fact that medicine should be kept within a certain range of temperature (and humidity) and the street vendors surely cannot guarantee this.
I do not think this recommendation is sponsored by the aircon and refrigerator industry but it is a fact that certain ingredients might change their performances when temperature is not the right one.
This already makes me think about buying from the street.
We know the cold chain is a relative concept in places like BKK where food is in open air stalls, with ice at the best trying to kill the natural degeneration of it, nevertheless the human body of farangs is set for different standards than the thais. No need to open the usual debate on thai water. .
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1581773]You can always roll your pants up and use them like a pillow during your massage.[/QUOTE]Not a bad idea at all.
I know one of the vendors on Sukhumvit really well. She has a number of vendor stalls. From a bar at night, to junk souvenirs, to you name it and the Erectile Dysfunction stand. I asked her about what she sells and her stuff is all fake. She buys it bulk from some place in BKK, not kept properly and is useless. Why not buy Sidegra? The Thai version of Viagra which is available in pharmacies at a very low price. It does work.
[QUOTE=SirWilliam4;1581839]Hello All,
Believe me, I've read this forum and many others all to find no answers to my question. So -- here it is. What is your experience purchasing Viagra and Cialis from those many street vendors along Sukhumvit Road in BKK? I know all the cautions. Really I do. Nevertheless, I tried some Cialis from one one of them right around Soi 13. Same packaging as from the pharmacies. No difference at all. Not out of date. Less than 200 THB for a packet of four pills. I tried it and it worked just fine. No complaints at all and at a huge discount from the pharmacies. What is your experience? What am I missing?
SW4.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MikeSV;1581709]I'm doing research and planning for an upcoming 3-4 months backpacking trip in Thailand and Cambodia (first time in SE Asia) and while I've obviously read all the typical more or less common sense advice on keeping your valuables safe while traveling, is there anything I should be particularly observant about when dropping my pants and assorted other items in places like particularly massage parlours, where it's got to be difficult to keep an eye on your things if you're lying naked on your back or stomach?
Do you make an effort to always keep your things right next to you?
What about carrying around valuables like phone and passport in addition to just the cash you plan on spending that day? Stupid thing to do (well, obviously a lot of us are semi-handicapped without our smartphones these days)?
On a trip of this length I don't expect to be shelling out for anything close to luxury accommodation (maybe a mid-range hotel now and then, in Bangkok and Pattaya for instance), so I'm not sure if I should expect cheaper guest houses to have a room safe? Making it tempting to carry valuables around with me.[/QUOTE]Doesn't matter where you are, pay a little bit more for a hotel with a safety box. Don't take any valuable with you to MPs.
[QUOTE=Jgm005;1582124]I know one of the vendors on Sukhumvit really well. She has a number of vendor stalls. From a bar at night, to junk souvenirs, to you name it and the Erectile Dysfunction stand. I asked her about what she sells and her stuff is all fake. She buys it bulk from some place in BKK, not kept properly and is useless. Why not buy Sidegra? The Thai version of Viagra which is available in pharmacies at a very low price. It does work.[/QUOTE]Sidegra is great and you can get it in 50 and 100 mg tabs. I pick it up at a pharmy over off Silom. 4 x 50 is only 150 baht.
Has anyone seen this available in Thailand. I've never looked for it before as it has only become an issue in the couple of years (for P. E to save you a Goole search).
I usually shop at the large pharmacy near the corner of Soi 4/ Suk but don't recall seeing it.
I'm visiting in Oct and weighing up if I should wait and buy in bulk if available in Thailand (BKK or Pattaya) or go the whole GP / precription / associated cost route now here in Oz.
Cheers.
Hey guys,
I have just about exactly 24 hours in BKK on a stop-over, basically from 10 AM Sunday to 10 AM Monday, and I am trying to decide between Bangkok and Pattaya. I have been to Bangkok many times, been to most of the big gogo areas, and ordered up my fair share of escorts. I have never been to Pattaya. I am not particularly concerned about the cost, but I am really interested in quality talent, young, friendly and fun, preferably with two girls. Plan A is to go to Bangkok, call in two escorts for the afternoon, and then hit the gogos at night, probably Bacarra or Rainbow 4. Plan be is to head down to Pattaya, do the Devil's Den in the afternoon, and then hit the gogos in the evening, and maybe get the Devil's Den limo back up to the airport for my 10 AM flight.
Any recommendations or suggestions about which of these plans is likely to put the biggest smile on my face?
Thanks for the feedback.
Gonzo8
Expert beer drinkers may want to try the Danish Bar / Pub Mikkeller at Ekamai Soi 10 Yaek (sub-soi) 2 right at the end (hard to see). They have 30 special beers on tap for beer enthusiast plus very light foods. Heard a review rated it as the best in Asia.
Wasn't busy last night. Mostly Thai customers. Staff was one Thai and one American.
Last night went to "Saeng Jan" (light of the moon) Beer / whiskey Hall / Restaurant with live band on stage, singers, a few dancers, and becomes like a disco when band is not on. I thought it was significantly better than Tawan Daeng, fairly Thai oriented, and mostly Thai customers. Did I see another Farang? Not sure? Band played some Carabao. Various types of Thai music and some western music especially during band not playing. Two dancers were very pretty indeed. Exactly my spec.
Could watch world cup on a big screen there as well if bored by what was happening on stage.
Its located near to freeway to Ram Intra a bit East of Huay Khwang before get to Lat Phrao. Probably 80 Baht taxi ride from Sukhumvit.
411 Pradit Manutham road, Saphansong, Wang Thonglang, Bangkok open 7 PM to 2 AM.
[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/EBKri[/URL]
Hi, I know this is a bit off topic, but can anyone recommend a good dentist in Thailand? Also can anyone suggest the best way to research a particular dentist? Thank you for any help.
Horatio.
[QUOTE=Gonzo88]I have just about exactly 24 hours in BKK on a stop-over, basically from 10 AM Sunday to 10 AM Monday, and I am trying to decide between Bangkok and Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Stay in Bangkok.
Even if you hire a car and driver you're going to burn up two hours each way back and forth from Pattya. That's 17 percent of your time on the ground. I realize you are considering the Devil's den limo for at least one leg of the journey, but if you search the forum you'll find that service is very expensive and the experience is only "meh. " Also, you're going to be looking for your first pop about noon on a Sunday. That's a little early to get started in Pattaya. Bangkok too, but it's a far larger city and as you noted you can book an escort session. Finally, there is your recharge time between sessions. In Bangkok you can nip away for some world class shopping or dining. In Pattaya I suppose you've got the beach. But if I was down there I'd be stressing about getting back to BKK in time for my flight. Again advantage Bangkok.
Bunky.
[QUOTE=Horatio;1583832]Hi, I know this is a bit off topic, but can anyone recommend a good dentist in Thailand? Also can anyone suggest the best way to research a particular dentist? Thank you for any help.
Horatio.[/QUOTE]Having been rather unhappy with the quality of the dentistry at both Bumrungrad and the Dental Hospital on Sukhumvit Soi 49, I settled on the Bangkok International Dental Center ("BIDC") and have been happy there so far. They are accredited by JCI, which is a USA -based accrediting organization. BIDC's website is [URL]http://www.bangkokdentalcenter.com/.[/URL].
[QUOTE=Gonzo88;1583643]Any recommendations or suggestions about which of these plans is likely to put the biggest smile on my face?
[/QUOTE]IMO PlanA over PlanB although both have their merits. If you only have 24 hours Bangkok is closer and you know the lay of the land and can maximise your time.
Devils Den opens at 1 pm and at that time (Sunday afternoon / off season) I would guess the selection would be sparse. I would suggest you communicate with them in advance. They also do outcalls to hotels.
DD is better than the Eden Club in Bangkok but not so much so that I would make a special trip to Pattaya for them. That said: if I only had a short time in Pattaya and wanted to maximise it DD would be on the short list for sure.
SL.
[QUOTE=Gonzo88;1583643]Hey guys,
I have just about exactly 24 hours in BKK on a stop-over, basically from 10 AM Sunday to 10 AM Monday, and I am trying to decide between Bangkok and Pattaya. I have been to Bangkok many times, been to most of the big gogo areas, and ordered up my fair share of escorts. I have never been to Pattaya. I am not particularly concerned about the cost, but I am really interested in quality talent, young, friendly and fun, preferably with two girls. Plan A is to go to Bangkok, call in two escorts for the afternoon, and then hit the gogos at night, probably Bacarra or Rainbow 4. Plan be is to head down to Pattaya, do the Devil's Den in the afternoon, and then hit the gogos in the evening, and maybe get the Devil's Den limo back up to the airport for my 10 AM flight.
Any recommendations or suggestions about which of these plans is likely to put the biggest smile on my face?
Thanks for the feedback.
Gonzo8[/QUOTE]I would suggest to go for BKK classics Tulip / SW / Mango / Cherry, but I don't know Pattaya either.
[QUOTE=Otari;1583999]I would suggest to go for BKK classics Tulip / SW / Mango / Cherry, but I don't know Pattaya either.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your helpful response. One follow up question: Is the quality of the gogo bar girls much higher in Pattaya than BKK, either in terms of looks or attitude? IF not, I am, going BKK all the way, but I was sort of getting the vibe that Pattaya had better young girls and were a bit less sharky.
Thanks again for the great advice.
G8
[QUOTE=Gonzo88;1583643]Hey guys,
I have just about exactly 24 hours in BKK on a stop-over, basically from 10 AM Sunday to 10 AM Monday, and I am trying to decide between Bangkok and Pattaya. I have been to Bangkok many times, been to most of the big gogo areas, and ordered up my fair share of escorts. I have never been to Pattaya. I am not particularly concerned about the cost, but I am really interested in quality talent, young, friendly and fun, preferably with two girls. Plan A is to go to Bangkok, call in two escorts for the afternoon, and then hit the gogos at night, probably Bacarra or Rainbow 4. Plan be is to head down to Pattaya, do the Devil's Den in the afternoon, and then hit the gogos in the evening, and maybe get the Devil's Den limo back up to the airport for my 10 AM flight.
Any recommendations or suggestions about which of these plans is likely to put the biggest smile on my face?
Thanks for the feedback.
Gonzo8[/QUOTE]It is a no brainer: stay in Bangkok. Everything you find in Pattaya, you will find in Bangkok. Perhaps Bangkok is a bit more expensive, but making the trip to and from Pattaya will put you back about 3000 baht which already pays you a nice session in e. G. Annie's.
My plan would be to take a taxi to Bangkok, check in your hotel (somewhere in lower Thanon Sukhumvit), get a bite of food to top up on energy and either do an oily, soapie or Eden Club in the afternoon. Grab a catnap in your hotel, have dinner and then hit the agogo clubs of Nana or Soi Cowboy around 9 PM and bring your sweetie to your hotel for an overnighter. Up to you to decide if you want to sleep that night, but thank her and pay her around 6 AM, get shaved, showered and dressed and jump in a taxi around 7:30 AM so you arrive in the airport not long after 8 AM ready to check in.
If you are up to it, you can add a visit to a blowjob bar in the late afternoon.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1584163]It is a no brainer: stay in Bangkok. Everything you find in Pattaya, you will find in Bangkok. Perhaps Bangkok is a bit more expensive, but making the trip to and from Pattaya will put you back about 3000 baht which already pays you a nice session in e. G. Annie's.
My plan would be to take a taxi to Bangkok, check in your hotel (somewhere in lower Thanon Sukhumvit), get a bite of food to top up on energy and either do an oily, soapie or Eden Club in the afternoon. [/QUOTE]As he mentions Escorts, Bacarrat, and Rainbow 4, I don't really think Eden club will be to his style. LOL. However I agree with the sentiment that its not enough time to make going to Pattaya worthwhile and Pattaya may be generally too low class for him anyway.
I think both your ideal program and mine would be a lot different to his.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1584181]As he mentions Escorts, Bacarrat, and Rainbow 4, I don't really think Eden club will be to his style. LOL. However I agree with the sentiment that its not enough time to make going to Pattaya worthwhile and Pattaya may be generally too low class for him anyway.
I think both your ideal program and mine would be a lot different to his.[/QUOTE]Well he did mention Devil's Den in Pattaya and Eden Club comes closest to that in Bangkok, I think.
And the program I mentioned is not my ideal program either. One session a day is enough for me: either a soapie like Annie's, or Eden Club or an LT from Suzie Wong.
Guys,
Thanks very much for the helpful guidance, which I have followed. I am in the taxi on the way to Bangkok now. I will report back and let you know what I find. I have pair of good looking girls from Bangkok Escorts lined up this morning at my hotel, so my 24 hours should start of with a bang. I realize this is a rip off compared to some of my other options, but I have seen one of them before, so I wanted to give it a whirl.
Cheers,
Gonzo8
P.S. Is Baccara back up and running after the fire? How is the quality in rainbow 4? Have things bounced back after the curfew? BTW, I like the sounds of Eden, but I really like young pretty girls, and I have heard some mixed things about their line up.
I know the taxi from the airport to Bangkok is 500 baht, anyone have any idea what it is to Pattaya? I had a return taxi from Pattaya that cost 900 baht via me taxi but I'm not sure if they would pick you up at the airport.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1584546]I know the taxi from the airport to Bangkok is 500 baht, anyone have any idea what it is to Pattaya? I had a return taxi from Pattaya that cost 900 baht via me taxi but I'm not sure if they would pick you up at the airport.[/QUOTE]A taxi from BKK airport to low Sukhumvit should not exceed 35400, incl motorway tolls and the 50 b. "airport fee".
It has been written many times here that a taxi from BKK airport to Pattaya is 1200 (I read rarely being 1500) but have also read 1000, so I rate 900 is a good deal.
BKK airport is on its way from the city to Pattaya, so do the math: shorter route than from or to town.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1584546]I know the taxi from the airport to Bangkok is 500 baht, anyone have any idea what it is to Pattaya? I had a return taxi from Pattaya that cost 900 baht via me taxi but I'm not sure if they would pick you up at the airport.[/QUOTE]The official tariff Bangkok to Chonburi (which is about halfway to Pattaya) is already 1300 baht. Officially the tariff to Pattaya will be about 2000 baht I guess, but if you book the taxi beforehand you should be able to do much better.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1584608]The official tariff Bangkok to Chonburi (which is about halfway to Pattaya) is already 1300 baht. Officially the tariff to Pattaya will be about 2000 baht I guess, but if you book the taxi beforehand you should be able to do much better.[/QUOTE]Myself, I wouldn't do the long taxi ride directly to Pattaya, I'd stay in Bangkok first since its alot quicker to reach after a long flight. I was just curious how much baht would be needed if one wanted to jump into a regular taxi (without prebooking) and asking for a ride to Pattaya.
[QUOTE=Gonzo88;1584521] BTW, I like the sounds of Eden, but I really like young pretty girls, and I have heard some mixed things about their line up.[/QUOTE]The lineup at Eden is not the youngest or the prettiest. DD in Pattaya beats Eden in that regard. Who knows it might be worth taking a flyer and checking it out with no harm if the Eden lineup is not to your liking.
FWIW I believe I have read that MoMay formerly of Snow White is working at Eden now and she is [I]certainly[/I] younger and above average looks wise.
SunLover.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;1584567]It has been written many times here that a taxi from BKK airport to Pattaya is 1200 (I read rarely being 1500) but have also read 1000, so I rate 900 is a good deal.
BKK airport is on its way from the city to Pattaya, so do the math: shorter route than from or to town.[/QUOTE]Correct BKK airport is well on the way to Pattaya compared to downtown, and apart from the urban Bangkok traffic. I think the other fare differences can generally be if it is considered an all-in price, or where the passinger pays the tolls and a decent gratuity is expected. Always ask the details and agree in advance.
SunLover.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1584859]Correct BKK airport is well on the way to Pattaya compared to downtown, and apart from the urban Bangkok traffic. I think the other fare differences can generally be if it is considered an all-in price, or where the passinger pays the tolls and a decent gratuity is expected. Always ask the details and agree in advance.
SunLover.[/QUOTE]Mr. T Taxi.
1000 bt from Soi 19/ Sukhumvit to Pattaya and same fare back. Same fare from BKK to / from Pattaya. DMK to / from Pattaya it is 1200 bt No toll charges. Least as of 3 months ago.
I am planning for a 3 day trip in July beginning. Fly in Friday morning & fly out Sunday night. Suggestions on possible schedules & hotels? Don't want anything too expensive to stay. A decent place with good breakfast, Wifi should work. I have Annie's, Mango in mind. What other options I should be looking at? Also, are Escorts worth it?
[QUOTE=EthanHunt123;1585289]Suggestions on possible schedules & hotels? What other options I should be looking at? Also, are Escorts worth it?[/QUOTE]Read the following threads for guidance.
Links to Reports of Distinction. Here's an oldie but still classic: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2010-2005-General-Reports&p=364994#post364994
Bangkok Hotels. Details on prices / locations.
Bangkok Reports. General monger sites.
There are then other threads that discuss massage parlors, escorts, etc. BTW, if you're on a budget for hotel, you might find escort service prices a little steep.
1. What mobile packages are catered towards tourists who stay 1 month in Thailand. I hardly call, but I use the internet a lot (line, facebook) en texting. Any tips on what to buy? My phone doesn't have a 4 g, but it can work with 3 g.
2. I'm planning depositing my money in a bank, but I've heard that there are bank fees every time you pull money out of the atm (except for the bank where your bankaccount is). Thus, I'm searching for a bank who doesn't have this fee or a bank that is quite popular so I could only get my money on theirs ATM and not from another bank (I'm going to visit koh chang and the phi phi islands next to BKK).
Any tips?
Kind regards.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1585330]Read the following threads for guidance.
Links to Reports of Distinction. Here's an oldie but still classic: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2010-2005-General-Reports&p=364994#post364994
Bangkok Hotels. Details on prices / locations.
Bangkok Reports. General monger sites.
There are then other threads that discuss massage parlors, escorts, etc. BTW, if you're on a budget for hotel, you might find escort service prices a little steep.[/QUOTE]Not really on budget. But would rather splurge on activities than hotel.
[quote=densloeber;1585338]1. what mobile packages are catered towards tourists who stay 1 month in thailand. i hardly call, but i use the internet a lot (line, facebook) en texting. any tips on what to buy? my phone doesn't have a 4 g, but it can work with 3 g.
2. i'm planning depositing my money in a bank, but i've heard that there are bank fees every time you pull money out of the atm (except for the bank where your bankaccount is). thus, i'm searching for a bank who doesn't have this fee or a bank that is quite popular so i could only get my money on theirs atm and not from another bank (i'm going to visit koh chang and the phi phi islands next to bkk).
any tips?
kind regards.[/quote]just go to the dtac or ais stand at the airport. they have various packages. make sure you ask for the "high speed" 3 g for data.
i get charged 150 or 180 baht to pull money out of foreign account (there are banks with exceptions to this rule i believe) but generally not to take money from my bangkok bank account. i also have kasigorn account (thai farmer's bank), which may be easier to open. bangkok bank not possible, last i checked, unless you have a work visa for thailand.
[QUOTE=EthanHunt123;1585289]I am planning for a 3 day trip in July beginning. Fly in Friday morning & fly out Sunday night. Suggestions on possible schedules & hotels? Don't want anything too expensive to stay. A decent place with good breakfast, Wifi should work. I have Annie's, Mango in mind. What other options I should be looking at? Also, are Escorts worth it?[/QUOTE]Assuming you are (fairly) new to Bangkok and you don't want to figure out how the public transport works (it is easy), you best book a hotel on "lower" Sukhumvit Road, say anything between Soi 4 and 23. Last time I was in Bangkok I stayed in Hotel Citypoint ([URL]http://citypointhotel.com/[/URL]). New rooms, good bed (remember to ask one big bed, rather than 2 beds), big shower, strong wifi signal (free), good breakfast and totally guest-friendly if you booked for two persons. Rates between 1700 and 2500 bath per night. Walking distance from Soi Cowboy and the Skytrain and Underground. Of course the Bangkok Hotels thread has many more suggestions, equally valid.
For a schedule, I'd set aside the mornings for "rest & recuperation", the afternoon for a massage, soapy, oily, blowjob or Eden Club visit and the evening for a Nana or Soi Cowboy agogo club tour, crowned with a "Long Time" romp with your favourite dancer.
I have no idea if escorts are worth their expensive fees since I never found it necessary to have to call them in Bangkok. It was so easy to find someone to my liking in an agogo club that hiring an escort never crossed my mind.
However, this abundance of opportunities has its own subtle trap: there is so much to choose from that some people never make a choice until it is too late. The agogo clubs open around 8 PM and really start going as from 9-10 PM. They won't close before 2 AM but by then the best dancers are already long gone with their "beau du jour". To avoid the "I will look in the next club as they may have an ever nicer selection" syndrome and finally ending up with empty hands (and empty bed) I use the following script: Before I start I imagine my "ideal" companion, say "be-size tits, long hair, no tattoos, trimmed pussy, slim figure, tanned skin, good kisser". If I find a girl with all those properties in the first club I visit I take her (provided after some talk we do have some "click" together and her price is acceptable). If I don't find her in the first club I visit, I go to the next club and choose a girl that has all these properties but one. If again not available I go to the next club and will accept a girl that has all these characteristics but two. "Wash, rince, repeat" until you find one.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1586020] Before I start I imagine my "ideal" companion, say "be-size tits, long hair, no tattoos, trimmed pussy, slim figure, tanned skin, good kisser". If I find a girl with all those properties in the first club I visit I take her (provided after some talk we do have some "click" together and her price is acceptable).[/QUOTE]I think your starting parameters are rather on the strict side. Tats are so common now, that you would rule out too many girls. Even minor piercings start to get common. I don't even particularly notice if a girl has tats anymore, if its not too over the top. Like I can't remember if my last girl had any tats or not. I don't care if the skin is white or tanned, and hair length not that important, even tit size not so important if they are nicely shaped. She does have to be pretty, cute little nose, and have nice ass curves with good gap though. No really pudgy girls for me. Hot slim bodies exist. On the other hand I don't move from one place to another relaxing my standards. I guess I set them tough but realistic.
I do agree its wise not to turn up to bars too late. Crazy House was almost out of girls by 1 AM.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1586020] *snip*
However, this abundance of opportunities has its own subtle trap: there is so much to choose from that some people never make a choice until it is too late. *snip*.[/QUOTE]Hi EthanHunt. I just want to reinforce what Wolvenvacht is saying: have a plan. And be prepared to throw it away if something special turns up.
That advice was posted on this forum (somewhere) many years ago, but it's still a very good idea. Many guys wander around -- you will feel like a kid in a candy shop-- and never come to grips with a decision. If you have weeks or months, you'll fall into a comfortable routine and if you wait until "too late" on any night, so what? But if you are on a short trip, have some idea of where you will go, why you are going. Yes, to get laid, for sure, but why else? Sightseeing naked girls? Watching world cup and then hitting a club? Visit Mango or Snow White and have a good dinner later?
You can throw away the plan if you want -- you see / meet some PYT that you just got to have -- but don't throw away a night because you just go from bar to bar.
Enjoy! And let us know how it goes -- what you might have done differently and so forth. TTG.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1586044]I think your starting parameters are rather on the strict side.[/QUOTE]It was just an example, not necessesarily my idea of the "ideal girl". But I won't tell you how my "ideal girl" should look for fear that you will barfine and spoil her before I can get to her. ;)
I don't want to clog up the board but was curious how Thailand stacks up to the Philippines, Macau, Hong Kong and Singapore? I really enjoyed my first trip to Thailand and am planning a return, found the Thai people very friendly. Also found getting around was very easy, researching the trip was straightforward and at no time did I feel like I was in any danger of being robbed. Did I pick the right asian destination out of the hat? I never consulted anybody on which asian country to visit, just picked Thailand out of the blue.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1586305]I don't want to clog up the board but was curious how Thailand stacks up to the Philippines, Macau, Hong Kong and Singapore? I really enjoyed my first trip to Thailand and am planning a return, found the Thai people very friendly. Also found getting around was very easy, researching the trip was straightforward and at no time did I feel like I was in any danger of being robbed. Did I pick the right asian destination out of the hat? I never consulted anybody on which asian country to visit, just picked Thailand out of the blue.[/QUOTE]To Breadman.
Overall Thailand is still number one on my list for mongering and shopping and touring, it have everything you want and I been to many country all over the world yes you are right Thai people are very friendly.
Fast eddie 48.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1586305]I don't want to clog up the board but was curious how Thailand stacks up to the Philippines, Macau, Hong Kong and Singapore? I really enjoyed my first trip to Thailand and am planning a return, found the Thai people very friendly. Also found getting around was very easy, researching the trip was straightforward and at no time did I feel like I was in any danger of being robbed. Did I pick the right asian destination out of the hat? I never consulted anybody on which asian country to visit, just picked Thailand out of the blue.[/QUOTE]I think Thailand beats Singapore on many counts. Yes, Singapore is much cleaner than Bangkok, but all that cleanliness gets boring fast. And for mongering, there is simply no comparison. Last time I was in Singapore I went with a beautiful small Viet lady from Ipanema bar in Orchard Tower. 350 S $ for an all nighter, which is about 2 to 3 times the rate you'll find easily in Bangkok's agogo clubs. And although I had my fun with her (more than once actually), it somehow missed the buzz I get with a Bangkok gogogirl. Somehow it was too clean, too well done. She fitted perfectly in my modern hotel room and although I'm sure she enjoyed our romp, not for one second she could make me forget it was all business: well rehearsed, well executed business, done to perfection. A clean and fresh pussy that squeezed my dick in all the right places. Perfect small tits with big nipples, exactly the size to make it a pleasure to suck and nibble them. A mouth that is made for DFK. No problem to DATY her. A skin without blemishes; eyes to drown in; long, smooth silky black hair. Sex in many positions. .... And yet ... boooooooring. Not her fault, Singapore's fault. It does that to people, you know.
If you have the choice, stay in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1586326]If you have the choice, stay in Thailand.[/QUOTE]So far that's my thinking as well, even with the political troubles I'm willing to venture there again. Anyone have any experience visiting Thailand during Christmas and New Years? Those dates are a possibility.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1586331]So far that's my thinking as well, even with the political troubles I'm willing to venture there again. Anyone have any experience visiting Thailand during Christmas and New Years? Those dates are a possibility.[/QUOTE]It is more busy and more expensive and you'd do well to book your hotels well in advance. Seeing slim Thai sales girls dress in Father Christmas costumes is well worth coming to Bangkok for. Their long black hair in a ponytail matches the white beard perfectly.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1586020] If I don't find her in the first club I visit, I go to the next club and choose a girl that has all these properties but one. If again not available I go to the next club and will accept a girl that has all these characteristics but two. "Wash, rince, repeat" until you find one.[/QUOTE]How do you know if her Pussy is trimmed at this point?
[QUOTE=Bigatl164;1586373]How do you know if her Pussy is trimmed at this point?[/QUOTE]If it's important to you, ask her. Believe me, this question is not, by far, the strangest one she will have been asked! TTG.
[QUOTE=Bigatl164;1586373]How do you know if her Pussy is trimmed at this point?[/QUOTE]That is easy, most of the agogo clubs have the dancers perform entirely nude. And you can always ask. Don't be shy, they have heard and experienced it all.
Agogo clubs who don't have nude dancers usually don't hold my attention for long.
[quote=breadman;1586305]i don't want to clog up the board but was curious how thailand stacks up to the philippines, macau, hong kong and singapore? i really enjoyed my first trip to thailand and am planning a return, found the thai people very friendly. also found getting around was very easy, researching the trip was straightforward and at no time did i feel like i was in any danger of being robbed. did i pick the right asian destination out of the hat? i never consulted anybody on which asian country to visit, just picked thailand out of the blue.[/quote]these are all unique & excellent choices, except in the pi girls working with le falsely claim guys raped them. i'm not inclined to ever go to there for many reasons, especially that. the other 3 places are, unlike 3rd world poverty striken pi, first class cities.
if you like white skinned girls with big tits, then singapore is the better place to go, not bangkok or pattaya. in singapore you can bang a very hot young vietnamese female for only 600 baht (about 20 usd). you won't find prc, vn, indo, e indian & pi p4 p gals in thailand, but they are easily located in sg. pi gals are famous for being the best for gfe, though i've enjoyed gfe with various nationalities in sg & los.
singapore is a first world country, so obviously superior to any 3rd world nation like thailand in many ways. for example in much of siam you cannot find decent medical care. although if you are in a hotel in the nep area of bkk, then it's much the same as being in a first world destination. there is, for example, a world class hospital just down the street.
generally speaking singapore is way safer, better policed & more politicly stable than los. unlike thaksinland you can drink the tap water in sg, safely walk the streets anywhere in the middle of the night, english is widely spoken written and understood, scams are rare, & the long list goes on & on for pages.
hardly any of the posters here in the thailand forum have been to & researched the places you refer to. you'd be better off asking on the pertinent forums where people are intimately familiar with the respective area. reading the separate isg forums on the places you mentioned should give you some clues re what each of the places has to offer. i'd recommend the "reports of distinction" as an excellent starting point.
Anyone have a favorite hotel in BKK? I'd like to keep it around $40 - $50. I'm sure everyone likes to be near the transit.
[QUOTE=Bigatl164;1586924]Anyone have a favorite hotel in BKK? I'd like to keep it around $40 - $50. I'm sure everyone likes to be near the transit.[/QUOTE]Have a look in the Bangkok Hotels thread. For a short stay I like "Citypoint Hotel", 50 m from the exit of BTS station Asoke and 5 minutes from Soi Cowboy. Between 2000 and 2500 baht per night. Modern, clean and guest-friendly if you book your room for double occupancy. For a longer stay I like a serviced apartment but that is well above your budget.
I never heard of City Point. Just went to trip advisor and it gets excellent reviews. Looks like Wolvenvacht found a gem there. I recommend S Sukhumvit Suites. On Sukhumvit between Soi 23 and Soi Asoke. Outstanding location for mongers. Great for old guys like me that don't want to walk far in the BKK heat. 60 second walk to MRT, BTS, Soi Cowboy, Terminal 21.
Another great one is On8. There is an escolater at the hotel front door that takes you up to the Nana BTS station. Saves a lot of walking in that heat. Great for Soi 11, Soi 7 and 7/1, Bier Garten, Nana Plaza. My On8 room was a good value but it had a frosted glass as opposed to a real window.
I strongly prefer to stay on the odd numbered soi side of Sukhumvit. The area between Soi 11 and Soi Nana is alway hopping.
I also recommend Bigati visit the Bangkok Hotel thread. Lots of exellent info there.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1586500]That is easy, most of the agogo clubs have the dancers perform entirely nude. And you can always ask. Don't be shy, they have heard and experienced it all.
Agogo clubs who don't have nude dancers usually don't hold my attention for long.[/QUOTE]So how do you say in Thai. "Miss, is your pussy trimmed and shaved?
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1587327]So how do you say in Thai. "Miss, is your pussy trimmed and shaved?[/QUOTE]I have no idea, but most of the girls in the agogo clubs speak well enough English to understand such basic questions. And if she doesn't understand, ask a mamasan to assist.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1587327]So how do you say in Thai. "Miss, is your pussy trimmed and shaved?[/QUOTE]Try google translation:
[URL]https://translate.google.com/#en/th/Miss%2c%20is%20your%20pussy%20trimmed%20and%20 shaved%3F[/url]
[QUOTE=Otari;1587402]Try google translation:
[URL]https://translate.google.com/[/URL]#en / th / Miss%2 see%20 is%20 your%20 pussy%20 trimmed%20 and%20 shaved%3 F.[/QUOTE]I don't trust Google Translate for such things. For all I know, Google "misunderstands" it and then you ask the girl if she shaves her cat. Although the bargirls have seen, heard and done a lot, I'm sure they will find that very kinky. ;)
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1587651] Although the bargirls have seen, heard and done a lot, I'm sure they will find that very kinky. ;)[/QUOTE]Again, if it's important to have a shaved snatch, ASK the girl. And if you're skeptical, ask to see her pussy. She's not going to be confused. TTG.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1587651]I don't trust Google Translate for such things. For all I know, Google "misunderstands" it and then you ask the girl if she shaves her cat. Although the bargirls have seen, heard and done a lot, I'm sure they will find that very kinky. ;)[/QUOTE]Thais don't use the word pussy as slang the way we do, so you are right about a misunderstanding. Try using the Thai word for clam, "hoy".
[QUOTE=Otari;1587402]Try google translation:
[URL]https://translate.google.com/[/URL]#en / th / Miss%2 see%20 is%20 your%20 pussy%20 trimmed%20 and%20 shaved%3 F.[/QUOTE]
Ha Ha! I did try it. The translation is a bit laughable, and includes one very impolite word. (I am sure Duni was just joking about saying it in Thai).
Nāngs̄āw pĕn h̄ī k̄hxng khuṇ tạd la kon?
[size=+2]นางสาวเป็นหีของคุณตัดและโกน?[/size]
Even if the person could pronounce it, the Thai is jumbled. The "Miss" in front has fouled up the translation. The translation also fails to ask a question as Thai requires a special question word (rather than putting "Is" at the front). With incorrect pronunciation as well (a certainty for the last 3 critical words), there would be little understanding. Forget Google Translate, it is pretty crap for English to Thai. I find it fairly misleading for other languages too.
I think the best advice is to ask a mamasan/papasan or the girl herself if she speaks good English, or try to get a peak at the pussy. In a raunchy bar, pulling the knickers band to get a peak is not at all impossible. Then again, like Wolven, I prefer bars where girls are showing pussy when dancing already.
"Mee moi mai"? with the correct tones (mid, rising, and high), means "do you have pubic hair?" If you ask in Thai you have to be able to understand the simple answers in Thai too. "Mee", "Mai Mee", or "Nit Noi" (I have, I don't have, or just a little bit)
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1587651] you ask the girl if she shaves her cat. [/QUOTE]Bar girls would think that you are very perverse. LOL.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1587327]So how do you say in Thai. "Miss, is your pussy trimmed and shaved?[/QUOTE]
haawy/ khaawng/ Khoon- bpen- go:hn- mai/
pussy - yours - is - shaved?
When I monger locally in the US I typically take a Levitra "pill" bought off the internet an hour before I get to the MP. I have used the 20 mg, but have started to use the 10 mg, "more quantity, cheaper". It does take away sensitivity. I tend to finish with my hand with my face in her pussy, which I actually like, but I would like to finish in her also, but I tend to feel I don't have time to do so and always just one pop in the States, for $200!
I have not visited BKK yet, but I'm thinking, I won't need the pill initially, but as the week goes on, I will. I do plan to get at least 2 - 3 encounters a day, but one of them might be a.
Over-nighter which will take care of my last the night before and my first the next day.
Just wondering what part the pill plays in your mongering feast. I have never taken more than one pill a day, even though I have visited up to 3 MP's in one day. Please share.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1587708]Ha Ha! I did try it. The translation is a bit laughable, and includes one very impolite word. (I am sure Duni was just joking about saying it in Thai).
Nāngs̄āw pĕn h̄ī k̄hxng khuṇ tạd la kon?
นางสาวเป็นหีของคุณตัดและโกน?
Even if the person could pronounce it, the Thai is jumbled. The "Miss" in front has fouled up the translation. The translation also fails to ask a question as Thai requires a special question word (rather than putting "Is" at the front). With incorrect pronunciation as well (a certainty for the last 3 critical words), there would be little understanding. Forget Google Translate, it is pretty crap for English to Thai. I find it fairly misleading for other languages too.
I think the best advice is to ask a mamasan/papasan or the girl herself if she speaks good English, or try to get a peak at the pussy. In a raunchy bar, pulling the knickers band to get a peak is not at all impossible. Then again, like Wolven, I prefer bars where girls are showing pussy when dancing already.
"Mee moi mai"? with the correct tones (mid, rising, and high), means "do you have pubic hair?" If you ask in Thai you have to be able to understand the simple answers in Thai too. "Mee", "Mai Mee", or "Nit Noi" (I have, I don't have, or just a little bit)[/QUOTE]Whew, the Thai. English translation IS complicated. I have been thinking, why not have a set of flash cards. Have a set of cards showing heavy snatch, trimmed snatch and shaved one. Then ask the girl to point out which one she has. In fact why not have a whole set of flash cards to denote all the things that we always wanted the girls to do but never able to do so adequately. Yes, like " boom boom your ass?" What do you think guys. A new industry of flash cards?
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1587833]Whew, the Thai. English translation IS complicated. I have been thinking, why not have a set of flash cards. Have a set of cards showing heavy snatch, trimmed snatch and shaved one. Then ask the girl to point out which one she has. In fact why not have a whole set of flash cards to denote all the things that we always wanted the girls to do but never able to do so adequately. Yes, like " boom boom your ass?" What do you think guys. A new industry of flash cards?[/QUOTE]Good idea but one is basically got to lung these cards around or carry one of those girlie bags that the Japanese like to carry with them.
Trying to learn the words for items like this is also a real big miss with me unless you can really get the tone and if you can more power to you. But from my experience one slip of the tongue it can turn sour? There is a Temple out of town that is very popular with many Thai girls, it is located in a area that when said in Thai sounds like the word pussy? A few times in conversation I had to say where the Temple is located I ended up saying the word to sound like pussy! Lucky for me the girl I know.
Since everyone has a phone these days with a camera why not just take a photo even of a flash card or better yet live? And show it to the girl? Why carry more stuff that you need? There are also Thai translation downloads you can put on your phone? Flash card I do not think so? at least for me!
[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1587673]Again, if it's important to have a shaved snatch, ASK the girl. And if you're skeptical, ask to see her pussy. She's not going to be confused. TTG.[/QUOTE]It wasn't important for me, I was just curious how he knew she was shaved.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1588015]Good idea but one is basically got to lung these cards around or carry one of those girlie bags that the Japanese like to carry with them.
Trying to learn the words for items like this is also a real big miss with me unless you can really get the tone and if you can more power to you. But from my experience one slip of the tongue it can turn sour? There is a Temple out of town that is very popular with many Thai girls, it is located in a area that when said in Thai sounds like the word pussy? A few times in conversation I had to say where the Temple is located I ended up saying the word to sound like pussy! Lucky for me the girl I know.
Since everyone has a phone these days with a camera why not just take a photo even of a flash card or better yet live? And show it to the girl? Why carry more stuff that you need? There are also Thai translation downloads you can put on your phone? Flash card I do not think so? at least for me![/QUOTE]LBM, it was just a thought. Sure, you can have the same thing on your smart phones, or have credit card size, not a giant 8 x10" to lug around. :)
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1587833] Yes, like "boom boom your ass?" What do you think guys. A new industry of flash cards?[/QUOTE]Ha Ha! This topic is at least amusing. I often wondered what would happen if a guy asked the girl up front if she does DATY? Is she A+? Etc. ? LOL She probably would not get it at all. She might think he is a Psycho case. I never ask questions like this up front. I just wait to see what will happen. If choosing a girl at an Oily, I just hope she will be shaved. At a bar I will, 95% of the time, see her pussy first. If I should take the waitress at Crazy House, I can see her body is not bad but obviously won't get to see her with knickers off first. Just have to take the gamble that she might have a nice ass and pussy.
For DATY, I don't ask. I just go for it slowly. She can escape if its a problem for her. I rarely take anal, but fortunately its mostly the girl will raise this subject by herself if she is really into it, or forget it completely for me. Maybe I did actually request it from Tulip Dao without her offering. LOL. This is rare. The odd girl told me she doesn't like to do anal in advance, without me even mentioning the topic. I don't really remember what expressions were common from the girls for this topic, however some probably used slightly indirect euphemisms. Maybe something like "I don't enjoy back-door" from girls who do anal, but wanted to be clear its not their preference.
Ass (American spelling) could be a confusing word for some Thai girls, since Americans and English pronounce it very differently. In fact, in England an ass (pronounced short) is a donkey, and the backside (bum) is an "Arse".
If in an Oily, I have no questions for the girl except her name, in a Soapy, I might ask if she is okay With Farangs? In a bar I am asking if she is okay To go with me for ST. That's it apart from normal small talk. I will have got to touch the girl to some extent, so will know the girl does not have hard silicones or anything bad like that. I don't think girls really like to receive a lot of detailed sex questions. I could be wrong. Maybe its just not me to ask.
Asking about kissing is a possibility. I think its better to try to sneak a kiss in the bar and see how it is, and also get to detect bad smoker's breath before its too late. Actions mean more than words.
I my life, I had some really great sex sessions with latin girls, where they could not speak a word of English and I had no Spanish at all. Language barrier does not have to be a big factor to having sex fun. Sometimes its a case of take the punt and see what happens.
Greetings,
Brand new to forum so thought I would post an introduction prior to just jumping in.
Older guy from the U S and have been living in Thailand for the last few years. Don't live in BKK but get there fairly often for some enjoyment.
Been to most of the regular haunts Pattaya, Patong, Chaing Mai, will post some trip reports later. Just got back from Krabi and their is a bit of night life there, just takes a bit of looking.
Question on posting: where are the usual commands for typing, font size bold, spell check, can't seem to find them. Also how do you edit? The second line in this post has been changed to read "from the you S" but was not typed that way. Have tried to change it but it keeps reverting back to what the program thinks I want to say. It even changes it while I am trying to edit it.
Thanks for the great forum.
Regards
Thailand Visa Overstayers to be put on a Blacklist and Barred from the Country.
Bangkok. Foreigners in Thailand who overstay their Visa's will be put on a blacklist and barred from the country for a period after they leave. According to [URL]Thaivisa.com[/URL] reported that it had seen the proposal detailing the tough new measures for foreigners who overstay in Thailand.
The Phuket News reported that they received confirmation today from a source in Immigration Headquarters, who asked not to be named, that a proposal along these lines has been made to the Ministry of Interior, which is expected to approve it "soon".
ThaiVisa reported that the proposed measures, which will see foreigners that overstay their visa's of more than 90 days blacklisted, are as follows:
In the case that alien surrenders themselves:
◾Overstay more than 90 days Forbidden from re-entering the kingdom for 1 year.
◾Overstay more than 1 year Forbidden from re-entering the kingdom for 3 years.
◾Overstay more than 3 years Forbidden from re-entering the kingdom for 5 years.
◾Overstay more than 5 years Forbidden from re-entering the kingdom for 10 years.
◾Overstay more than 10 years Forbidden from re-entering the kingdom for life.
In the case that the alien is being apprehended:
◾Overstay for less than 1 year Forbidden from re-entering the kingdom for 5 years.
◾Overstay for more than 1 year Forbidden from re-entering the kingdom for 10 years.
If foreigners "surrender" (usually by presenting themselves at Immigration when leaving the country) they will be barred from returning for a period that will depend on how long they have overstayed. Currently those who overstay are fined B500 a day, up to a maximum of B20,000. Some foreigners who are arrested, detained, or deported are also blacklisted, but this is done on a case-by-case basis.
Immigration has recently taken a number of measures to stop foreign nationals abusing the tourist visa system by doing regular 'Out / In border runs' in order to stay in Thailand long-term.
It is thought that many of these work in the country illegally.
[URL]http://www.chiangraitimes.com/thailand-visa-overstayers-to-be-put-on-a-blacklist-and-barred-from-the-country.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=LosDing;1592180]Greetings,
Brand new to forum so thought I would post an introduction prior to just jumping in.
Question on posting: where are the usual commands for typing, font size bold, spell check, can't seem to find them. Also how do you edit? The second line in this post has been changed to read "from the you S" but was not typed that way. Have tried to change it but it keeps reverting back to what the program thinks I want to say. It even changes it while I am trying to edit it.
Thanks for the great forum. Regards[/QUOTE]Welcome to the forum! You already spot some weak points of the functionalities.
It doesn't seem possible to use different fonte, bold etc.
Spell check works its own way and not always it works fine: you have experienced that with the "S" issue.:(
You can edit your post within a time frame of an hour.
You cannot add icons from the punctuation signs when typing, but you can do so in the editing mode after you post. :)
So write, post, enter edit and add the punctuation for a smile, for instance. :) :)
So, again. Welcome to the forum, LOL.
Other than that it is indeed a great forum.
We look forward to your reports.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1593400]I share your preference. The 1000 baht price has not changed, but in 2007 it was a no-negotiation price that got you a good looking under-30 streetwalker who'd usually perform well, for 2 shots if you asked. These days, 1 k is the rock-bottom price at Sukhumwit, taken by uglier girls, and only reluctantly after they try to negotiate, realize their prospects are grim and ain't getting more. The scene has gone down the drain in terms of average quality and numbers too.[/QUOTE]IME it is quite different. For example a regular hottie said she took 700 baht ST recently. Lately I've had good success with picking up new girls, better than I've ever had before in 7 years. Also I generally only go for street girls that I consider to be in the 7 to 10 range in looks & have found some every year since 2007 at the NCP. But from the photo thread here I can see many pics rated as hot that I would not go with for free, so it's the old story of beauty being in the eye of the beholder. BTW I've often arrived at the NCP & had a couple dozen ladies all to myself, with not even a single guy near any of them.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1593400]Comparison only holds for sex deserts like the US / UK / Saudi Arabia. The West includes places like Frankfurt where 30 euro (1200 baht) gets you laid, although for something decent you need to shell out 2-4 times that. To be honest, Sukhumwit freelancers are not even close to good looking, so looks are not a major sticking point, though service is still usually better in Thailand.[/QUOTE]To be more specific, the Western standard of comparison with Thailand I am considering is a hot slim petite gal who provides bareback services & is willing to fuck your brains out for hours. Where I come from in the West this is either impossible or extremely difficult to find & will cost at least 10 times as much as in Siam. Hence my estimate of having saved 6 or 7 figures, or recieved that much value in P4 P in LOS over the years, relative to my home country. What does Germany have to offer that matches those looks & services? At what cost? Can it compete with Bangkok's hotel prices? Even Singapore where I can bang a stunner for 600 baht (20 USD) seems to offer much more bang for the buck than the former Nazi nation.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1593400]Of course you can still get it from the repeats or oilies. But it used to be the 90% chance of getting it from any girl you pick, and some mongers like me have a penchant for trying out new girls. If I wanted to stick to the same few girls over and over, the giks would do the job just fine (though this route takes more time and is not viable past a certain age).[/QUOTE]If you had been at this for 15 years & kept a "little black book", you'ld have hundreds of numbers to call upon, not just a few. Even I have dozens of girls digits & I seldom stray from my regulars.
[quote=crocodilexp;1594626]i think it's this one: [url]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/readerssubmissions2012/reader7741.htm[/url].[/quote]according to the above url there have been constantly declining birth rates since 1960. in spite of that the number of females aged 15 to 49 increased by 1.1 million from 1990 to 1995. and increased another 1.4 million from 1995 to 2010.
btw it is worth pointing out that the birth rate has hardly been declining at all in recent years & is fairly constant. if this trend continues it will soon be increasing.
as regards the p4 p age of females in thailand, this has not been defined. but we don't need to look any further than a recent report on isg of a farang banging a mamasan, or a walk around bangkok looking into beer bars & regular massage parlours galore where sexual services are often on the menu. in the latter venues i have often recieved an hour for as little as 500 baht, and some of these babes in their 40's are very well preserved, far more experienced in how to please a man & way hotter than most gogo girls. like 8 on a scale up to 10.
"no wonder the bargirls are getting fat, bars are being forced to scrape the bottom of the barrel. ".
probably because many of the better lookers who have 2 brain cells are online "working girls" now. they don't have to stay in a noisy venue all night dancing, being eye fucked & groped by old drunk stinky & rude foreigners. technology has changed the game from 15 years ago, the hiv clingy gfe heyday when many girls were illegal.
additionally with there being 2 or 3 times as many working ladies in the 2010's as in the 1990's, to meet the increased demand from more foreigners, the influx of average lookers seeking a quick easy baht has watered down the concentration of hotties.
Nothing new about this "survey" but I believe the concept of "invisiblity" is very accurate. In western cities at least (similar to women at slightly younger ages) - typical males 40 and over pretty much become invisible to younger women. (IMHO this is absolutely true by age 45) That new found "visibility" alone in Bangkok is part of what I believe makes Bangkok interesting for typical 40 plus males living here or visiting on a high frequency basis regardless of whether its only from working girls, or shop girls taking notice merely out of platonic curiosity. In any case, just walking around Bangkok one senses the immediate difference versus London or New York or other western cities. Travelling internationally to Bangkok for some is like having travelled on a time machine of sorts.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/08/men-become-invisible-and-lose-sex-appeal-at-39/
Sorry fellas but at 39 you become 'invisible' to younger women (we're not sure that applies to David Beckham, Bradley Cooper or Russell Brand though)
Men begin turning into 'The Invisible Man' from the end of their 30s onwards
Viewed as less sexually attractive due to grey hair and double chins
Women eye them up less in bars at that age
By BIANCA LONDON
PUBLISHED: 05:55 EST, 8 July 2014 | UPDATED: 07:39 EST, 8 July 2014
Men start becoming invisible sexually to younger women at 39 - the same age as David Beckham and Russell Brand, according to new research.
They begin turning into The Invisible Man from the end of their 30s onwards - and are viewed more as father figures than sex symbols.
The most obvious sign of the change is when a man is no longer eyed up by women when he goes out.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2684413
[QUOTE=Western787;1595616]Nothing new about this "survey" but I believe the concept of "invisiblity" is very accurate. In western cities (similar to women at slightly younger ages) - [b]typical males over 40[/b] pretty much become invisible to the opposite gender. (IMHO this is absolutely true by age 45) That new found "visibility" alone in Bangkok is a key part of what I believe makes Bangkok interesting for typical 40 plus males, regardless of whether its only from working girls or curious shop girls. Just walking around in Bangkok one senses the difference in that context, as compared to a western city.[/QUOTE]Uhhh. Yeah. "Typical" means broke mfs who have no money. A guy with money will never be invisible anywhere. Western money goes a long way in Bangkok, hence the high visibility. Take that same money to New York and you are magically invisible again.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1594331]IME it is quite different. For example a regular hottie said she took 700 baht ST recently. Lately I've had good success with picking up new girls, better than I've ever had before in 7 years. Also I generally only go for street girls that I consider to be in the 7 to 10 range in looks & have found some every year since 2007 at the NCP. But from the photo thread here I can see many pics rated as hot that I would not go with for free, so it's the old story of beauty being in the eye of the beholder. BTW I've often arrived at the NCP & had a couple dozen ladies all to myself, with not even a single guy near any of them..[/QUOTE]The reason you have all the NCP girls all to yourself is they ain't that hot. Just average and below. A hottie doesn't need to down to 700 baht. Only reason is she ain't that hot to begin with.
[QUOTE=Custard;1595724]The reason you have all the NCP girls all to yourself is they ain't that hot. Just average and below. A hottie doesn't need to down to 700 baht. Only reason is she ain't that hot to begin with.[/QUOTE]Last time I passed NCP, the girls were better than I ever saw before over many years, however I don't pass there often. Go figure! I did not ask the prices or why they were there. I expect some were temporarily short of money but may have had a regular job.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1595619]Uhhh. Yeah. "Typical" means broke mfs who have no money. A guy with money will never be invisible anywhere. Western money goes a long way in Bangkok, hence the high visibility. Take that same money to New York and you are magically invisible again.[/QUOTE]"Typical" was being used to separate out guys that looked like movie stars or something.
As the Daily Mail article refers to "The most obvious sign of the change is when a man is no longer eyed up by women when he goes out."
Being 'eyed up" while a superficial issue, is a something of value to many males, particularly when the extreme opposite happens in the west.
Actually in NYC once you hit age 40 to 45 even if you ARE reasonably loaded, you're not going to get attention from younger women, certainly not walking down the street or going about one's business during the day. You are still invisible in that context.
In contrast in Bangkok the "walk around" vibe (regardless of money) is very different for the same guy. You could literally be spending nothing on "entertainment' yet you still get the benefit of this vibe.
[QUOTE=Custard;1595724]The reason you have all the NCP girls all to yourself is they ain't that hot. Just average and below. A hottie doesn't need to down to 700 baht. Only reason is she ain't that hot to begin with.[/QUOTE]Maybe she is hot, but doesn't know it. Or maybe she's desperate because there are few customers in Bangkok & she has bills to pay for her family & would rather take a sure 700 baht now than wait & hope for a 1000 baht guy. She might have to wait hours for that. Or maybe all night & never get her 1000 baht & end up with nothing. Seven hundred baht is better than zero baht, don't you think?
No doubt all the NCP girls are not hot. But, then, I don't need two dozen hot ones, only one. One lovely donut is all that is needed for one weiner. I'm rather picky, but seldom have trouble finding one out of 24 that suits my fancy. If you can't find one here, I'll be surprised:
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mB06h-VyvA[/URL]
Or how about Berlin "street walkers". I wonder what they offer & go for. The first vid has quite the stunner, the quality of which I've found at the NCP in BKK on many occasions:
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tub2Jr_dnKQ[/URL]
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJJiuIODq80[/URL]
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPSid5UYHxc[/URL]
[QUOTE=Western787;1595855]"Typical" was being used to separate out guys that looked like movie stars or something.[/QUOTE]Movie star people look like all other people if they are not movie stars.
Can you use any Cell Phone in BKK if you get a SIMS card there? If so, where is the best place to do this?
[QUOTE=Western787;1595855]In contrast in Bangkok the "walk around" vibe (regardless of money) is very different for the same guy. You could literally be spending nothing on "entertainment' yet you still get the benefit of this vibe.[/QUOTE]This being "eyed" vibe is meaningless. There is no benefit. Its all in your mind, or vanity.
For hotties there never is a slow season. They will be the first 2 go. They really don't need to go down 2700 baht.
For the not so hot-they do need to lower their prices to get customers.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1596031]This being "eyed" vibe is meaningless. There is no benefit. Its all in your mind, or vanity.[/QUOTE]His mind sees things all of its own! Even sees things that are not there.
@Western787,
"Being eyed" is as much a function as "wanting to be eyed". If you actively seek eye contact, you will get more eye contact. If you walk around with downcast eyes, you do not get eyed.
Or at least -and I think that is the real truth- you do not notice it. After all, if you don't look at her, how can you know she is or is not looking at you? Or are you one of those creepy guys with shifty eyes, always looking at women out of the corners of their eyes, or in mirrors or window panes?
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1596085]
Or at least -and I think that is the real truth- you do not notice it. After all, if you don't look at her, how can you know she is or is not looking at you? [/QUOTE]Exactly. Sure if I walk past a real stunner, my eyes are going to be drawn to her (not that many 10's or even 9's around). As for the rest of those massage shop girls, I don't notice if they look at me or not. They are certainly calling out for business. I am usually in a hurry and have to watch where I am walking. Pavement is cut up shit.
If I looked like James Rodrigues, sure that would be different. I have no illusions in this area.
Where / what is NCP?
Despite living in Bangkok for a while, I have no idea what that acronym stands for, and haven't head of it being used before.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1596402]Where / what is NCP?
Despite living in Bangkok for a while, I have no idea what that acronym stands for, and haven't head of it being used before.[/QUOTE]Considering the context, I am guessing it stands for Nana Car Park.
[QUOTE=Bigatl164;1596022]Can you use any Cell Phone in BKK if you get a SIMS card there? If so, where is the best place to do this?[/QUOTE]When landing, after clearing customs, BTW doors 5-9 are kiosks of all the network providers. Be $299 will get you data / voice / text plan for one week. In town, best bet is MBK.
[QUOTE=Custard;1596039]For hotties there never is a slow season. They will be the first 2 go. They really don't need to go down 2700 baht.
For the not so hot-they do need to lower their prices to get customers.[/QUOTE]Evidently you meant 700 baht, not 2700.
Well, streetwalker, for a guy who had at least 2 previous usernames here, including streetwalker, you do not seem to have much appreciation for, knowledge of, experience or understanding of, street walkers.
According to you a "hottie" never works the street for 1000 baht. I rest my case. If you can't see that that is false, how can I ever expect you to understand deeper & more complicated things?
You do realize that there have been exgogo superstars, still in their prime, working the NCP for 1000 baht, right?
NCP = Nana Car Park.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1596402]Where / what is NCP?
Despite living in Bangkok for a while, I have no idea what that acronym stands for, and haven't head of it being used before.[/QUOTE]Nana Car Park. Opposite NEP. Nana Entertainment Plaza.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1596031]This being "eyed" vibe is meaningless. There is no benefit. Its all in your mind, or vanity.[/QUOTE]Meaningless to you maybe, but not to others.
Yes, it is vain, but then again many things in life are vain. However, it doesn't mean they are without value. Many things in life are "superficial" and I've used that term in the past on this very issue. Turning the argument around. Why do you demand extremely pretty girls? I mean these girls are what 20? 30? Years younger than you most times? Is that vanity too? Isn't THAT also in you're mind?
Look at Maslow needs, people need and want to be appreciated, at all different levels. As far as being "eyeballed", it sometimes just about going back in time a bit. My basic point was Bangkok (not unlike other asian locales) is like a time machine for males making them"visible" in the context the survey talks about, and IMHO its part of the attraction of Bangkok, and this (ever present. No additional cost factor) is at work 24/7 independent of how much one is spending on P4 P. So its a freebie basically.
[QUOTE=Custard;1595724]The reason you have all the NCP girls all to yourself is they ain't that hot. Just average and below. A hottie doesn't need to down to 700 baht. Only reason is she ain't that hot to begin with.[/QUOTE]OK finally figured out what you'are referring to. Harold, you've always underrated Nana parking lot girls. Some are quite attractive in fact. When you do a repeat and the girl has verified you're a gentleman, they will lower the cost even more sometimes
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1596085]@Western787,
"Being eyed" is as much a function as "wanting to be eyed". If you actively seek eye contact, you will get more eye contact. If you walk around with downcast eyes, you do not get eyed.
Or at least -and I think that is the real truth- you do not notice it. After all, if you don't look at her, how can you know she is or is not looking at you? Or are you one of those creepy guys with shifty eyes, always looking at women out of the corners of their eyes, or in mirrors or window panes?[/QUOTE]Basic evolutionary design dictates that males are highly aware of their surroundings, even if only done at the subconscious level and they focus on 2 major things 1. Potential threats to their existence. Generally from other males of course OR objects such (in a modern context) cars or whatever. 2. Young fertile females as potential mates - regardless of the likilhood or such mating. Its simply a matter of wiring and genetic design, genes having one overriding purpose: "Genetic survival going forward". I would suggest you read Richard Dawkins (The Selfish Gene) or Robert Wright (the Moral Animal) if the basic genes as "decision" makers is unfamiliar to you.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1596412]When landing, after clearing customs, BTW doors 5-9 are kiosks of all the network providers. Be $299 will get you data / voice / text plan for one week. In town, best bet is MBK.[/QUOTE]$299 Bhat? Or US $.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1596402]Where / what is NCP?
Despite living in Bangkok for a while, I have no idea what that acronym stands for, and haven't head of it being used before.[/QUOTE]NPL is the normal one used in here.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1596085]@Western787,
"Being eyed" is as much a function as "wanting to be eyed". If you actively seek eye contact, you will get more eye contact. If you walk around with downcast eyes, you do not get eyed.
Or at least -and I think that is the real truth- you do not notice it. After all, if you don't look at her, how can you know she is or is not looking at you? Or are you one of those creepy guys with shifty eyes, always looking at women out of the corners of their eyes, or in mirrors or window panes?[/QUOTE]
The term "eyed up (or lack of it for those "invisible") actually involves far more than being literally eyeballed ,its includes subtle body language, tone of voice and many other factors
Actually given the amount of trip points and crevices on Bangkok sidewalks, and low hanging signs, awnings, and electrical cords etc, one cannot always glance around at all the beauties. Much safer at Terminal 21 or similar venues. EVERY MALE WITH A PULSE is looking at attractive females through the corner of their eyes. Its what males do in the normal course of a day. Sorry I don't have shifty eyes. LOL. Bangkok has an entertaining vibe in that sense. Even the simplest interaction with an attractive female, lets say something as mundane as paying the bill on the way out of a restaurant, the vibe is often quite different than western cities.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1596031]This being "eyed" vibe is meaningless. There is no benefit. Its all in your mind, or vanity.[/QUOTE]The Daily Mail sought if sufficiently important to mention it in the article, so it hards "meaningless".
[QUOTE=Custard;1596040]His mind sees things all of its own! Even sees things that are not there.[/QUOTE]But Harold, on the other hand you often seem to see NOTHING.
[QUOTE=Custard;1596039]For hotties there never is a slow season. They will be the first 2 go.[/QUOTE]The thing with hotties is that not everyone considers them a hottie. Maybe 20,50 or 80 percent of guys consider them such. The rest do not and may believe another girl on the street is hotter and take her first, a girl that you may think is only average.
Another thing with hotties is that even the percentage that think she is hot may reject her and choose an average looking lady instead. There are various reasons for this, such as for example the well known and well earned reputation for the best lookers to provide the worst service. Or the looker looks like she may be too young, hence illegal. Or her attitude stinks. Or she looks like she forgot to take her meds. Or the guy is intimidated by such girls, or worried about a walk of shame with such a girl, or that she will reject him. Or the customer thinks a less attractive choice is more likely to do the dirty things he wants to do, etc.
As you can see, there are quite a few reasons why a hottie will not always be the first to go. I've had hot girls at the NCP ask me why certain less attractive girls often get chosen first.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1596874]As you can see, there are quite a few reasons why a hottie will not always be the first to go. I've had hot girls at the NCP ask me why certain less attractive girls often get chosen first.[/QUOTE]Certain hookers are expert at approaching and hooking the fish. Hopefully I am the fish who is skilled at avoiding this hook (er). The best hooker lookers are liable to sit back and wait for the guys to come after them. So very ordinary looking girls (to my taste) can hook a guy quickly on occasions if they pick the right target.
Once I was sitting in Sheba and a guy sitting right by me had a gorgeous girl sitting on his lap facing him. She is now top girl in Suzi Wong. Anyways this guy seems to be confused as what he should do. She is stunningly vivacious but he has reservations. He asks me if he should take her, as though I should know. However I have never seen her before. I have to be honest and say that if he does not take her, I certainly will. Her fabulous looks will not discourage me for more than a split second.
I should have lied and said she was a starfish in the room, since I did not get another chance with her for many weeks or was it months?
My thought about stunners is "Take them as soon as you get the chance", in case they disappear and you are left wondering forever. Okay There must be a good vibe as well of course, but the optics are very important for me. Better to fuck unforgettable girls. LOL.
Business doesn't get that slow for the real truly super hot girls, that are capable of performing O.K. too. It may get slow for girls that are only hot for a relatively minor proportion of the customers. Once a girl has a stunning face, stunning body, and amazing tits, nothing is going to stop her. Some girls have a lot less than that and are still really busy. I can think of 3 girls with fabulous bodies and excellent faces, that I only ever got the one session with before they disappeared. At least I got the once and never had a chance to get bored by them. They remain unforgettable.
Suppose a girl looks nearly as hot as Irina Shayk. Try to tell me she would find business quiet:
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1596995]Suppose a girl looks nearly as hot as Irina Shayk. Try to tell me she would find business quiet:[/QUOTE]Her upper body is quite attractive. That I would give a 9. The the other half an ordinary 5.
In Singapore there are girls like that, some even hotter, standing around for customers at a measly 20 to 50 USD a pop. I've lurked for 30 minutes and they're still waiting there as hordes of Asians pass them by.
IMO many of those listed on bing under "skinny Asian" are just as hot overall & easily surpass her lower body, hair or skin color, which does not deserve a second look:
[URL]http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=skinn+asian+&qs=and&form=QBIR&pq=skinny+asian+&sc=0-0&sp=-1&sk=[/url]
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1597608]Her upper body is quite attractive. That I would give a 9. The the other half an ordinary 5.
In Singapore there are girls like that, some even hotter, standing around for customers at a measly 20 to 50 USD a pop. I've lurked for 30 minutes and they're still waiting there as hordes of Asians pass them by.
IMO many of those listed on bing under "skinny Asian" are just as hot overall & easily surpass her lower body, hair or skin color, which does not deserve a second look:
[URL]http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=skinny[/URL]+asian+&qs=and&form=QBIR&pq=skinny+asian+&sc=0-0&sp=-1&sk=.[/QUOTE]LOL, her lower body a 5? S. I. swimsuit cover models by definition simply do not have 5 level "ordinary" lower bodies. Such a claim is nonsensical and ludicrous on its face.
Irina Shayk, sometimes credited as Irina Sheik, born Irina Valeryevna Shaykhlislamova, is a Russian model known for her 2007 through 2014 appearances in the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue. She was the cover model for the 2011 swimsuit issue. http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=sports+illustrade+cover+2011&id=00BD4B28750DEEDCE2B4C4DB4C26F43FD4A48792&FORM=IQFRBA#view=detail&id=00BD4B28750DEEDCE2B4C4DB4C26F43FD4A48792&selectedIndex=0
En. Wikipedia. Org.
Born: Jan 06,1986 (age 28) Yemanzhelinsk, Russia.
Height: 5' 10" (1. 78 m).
Romance: Cristiano Ronaldo.
Movies: Hercules.
Parents: Valery Shaykhlislamova Olga Shaykhlislamova.
Siblings: Tatiana Shaykhlislamova.
In 2007, she replaced Ana Beatriz Barros as the face of Intimissimi, and in the same year debuted in the annual Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue.
2010: After being the image of Intimissimi for three years, Shayk was made the official ambassador for the brand in 2010.
2011: In 2011 she covered magazines such as Tatler Russia, Twelv, Cosmopolitan Spain, GQ Mexico Glamour Spain, Amica Italy and appeared on the covered of Elle Spain the special edition for Christmas.
2011: In 2011 she was voted "Sexiest Woman In The World" in the Hungarian magazine Periodika.
[URL]http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Irina[/URL]+Shayk. &FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&I'd=EFFB60 F341 A007783 CEEC60 C395 AD71 F23215 E9 F&selectedIndex=266.
[QUOTE=Western787;1598206]LOL, her lower body a 5? S. I. Cover models by definition simply do not have 5 level lower bodies. Such a claim is nonsensical and ludicrous on its face.[/QUOTE]It's a purely subjective matter of personal taste. See the ISG photo threads, for example, for what some guys think are hot & you'll be ROLFLOL all day long.
To my taste her legs are way too big or fat & therefore unattractive in the posted pic, relative to a number of the sexy much slimmer legs amongst the "skinny Asian" females I referenced on bing. Her legs also lose marks for the color, not being white or at least sufficiently white, though not as bad as being pitch black. So if I was in the mood for a hot legs session or fetish, then she would get a pass.
Can't see her ass in the pic, so that does not even enter into the grading of the lower body.
Earlier this year I spent quite a bit of time watching the fashion channel on TV & many models shown had lovely legs.
I would add that if she is a model, then she is probably too tall for my liking. I prefer a lady about 5 feet in height or an additional 8 inches at most.
Also re her tits, I can't tell if they're natural or not. I prefer them soft, whether via surgery or birth, not hard like bowling balls. BTW every TG I've ever had at NCP over the years, of 50 to 100 in all, I guess, has always had natural soft bosoms, as far as I could tell. OTOH, from Syzygies many complaints, I assume the percentage in the gogos would be far from 100 percent of the girls being natural.
Looking at her pic on wikipedia, I'd give her an overall 5. I wouldn't give such a 2nd look at the NCP if she was offering LT for 500 baht. Though, to be fair, some of her pics on bing look pretty hot.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1597608]Her upper body is quite attractive. That I would give a 9. The the other half an ordinary 5.
[/QUOTE]I would give the ass a 10 mark (see pic in other thread). Face also a 10. Tits not quite. Not sure where the criticism is coming from, but you could be affecting your credibility.
Perhaps you go for saggy flat asses? Or maybe a giant Serena Williams ass?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1598235] Perhaps you go for saggy flat asses? Or maybe a giant Serena Williams ass?[/QUOTE]Ha ha ha. I once shared a house with a guy who thought the Williams sisters were the most stunning women in the world. WTF, I'd barely class them as women!
[QUOTE=Kerrstar;1598323]WTF, I'd barely class them as women![/QUOTE]This was an ass-sine statement. Venus Williams has a beautiful body. Her sister Serena has a bit too much in the rear for my taste. But.
Barely women? Just because we like small Asian women, no need to disrespect women who are highly respected and probably wouldn't notice if you had a heartbeat.
[URL]http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/venus-strips-espn-body-issue-article-1.1840215[/URL]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1598235]I would give the ass a 10 mark (see pic in other thread). Face also a 10. Tits not quite. Not sure where the criticism is coming from, but you could be affecting your credibility.
Perhaps you go for saggy flat asses? Or maybe a giant Serena Williams ass?[/QUOTE]I'd give everything about her in that other pic about a 6. It's not her most flattering. As I see it her face, from a different angle, is way more attractive in your other post.
The type of bottom I like comes on a skinny petite girl which many TGs are, so it's small, not humungous like Serena's. I'll leave that one to Mr Enternational. My prefered bottom is also much more round & bubbly than your pic of the Russian. As seen on quite a few slim NPL TGs I've boinked.
Though still far from what I'd call a 10, this bottom looks more my cup of tea:
[URL]http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2008/10/37%20Bulgarian%20Girls%20Are%20Great.jpg[/URL]
For breasts & hair I much prefer these:
[URL]http://www.pictures2rate.com/Holly_66[/URL]
[URL]http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2008/9/hot-topless-blonde.jpg[/URL]
For legs I like the following shots:
[URL]http://blog.asiantown.net/-/1839/This_Taiwanese_model_is_so_skinny[/URL]
[URL]http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2008/8/14aug14-tasty-looking-bathtub.jpg[/URL]
"nice bum where ya from":
[URL]https://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101123122440AAPJAXw[/URL]
[QUOTE=Bigatl164;1598515]This was an ass-sine statement. Venus Williams has a beautiful body. Her sister Serena has a bit too much in the rear for my taste. But.
[/QUOTE]"asinine" perhaps? I think he was meaning they have more powerful legs than a typical woman. I would be too scared to try the DATY. LOL.
Some guys think 300 lb women are sexy too, yet I never see such women in the Miss Universe PAGEANT. I don't think I've even seen a single NFL Cheerleader who might be described as "thick".
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1598229]It's a purely subjective matter of personal taste. See the ISG photo threads, for example, for what some guys think are hot & you'll be ROLFLOL all day long.
To my taste her legs are way too big or fat & therefore unattractive in the posted pic, relative to a number of the sexy much slimmer legs amongst the "skinny Asian" females I referenced on bing. Her legs also lose marks for the color, not being white or at least sufficiently white, though not as bad as being pitch black. So if I was in the mood for a hot legs session or fetish, then she would get a pass.
Can't see her ass in the pic, so that does not even enter into the grading of the lower body.
Earlier this year I spent quite a bit of time watching the fashion channel on TV & many models shown had lovely legs.
I would add that if she is a model, then she is probably too tall for my liking. I prefer a lady about 5 feet in height or an additional 8 inches at most.
Also re her tits, I can't tell if they're natural or not. I prefer them soft, whether via surgery or birth, not hard like bowling balls. BTW every TG I've ever had at NCP over the years, of 50 to 100 in all, I guess, has always had natural soft bosoms, as far as I could tell. OTOH, from Syzygies many complaints, I assume the percentage in the gogos would be far from 100 percent of the girls being natural.
Looking at her pic on wikipedia, I'd give her an overall 5. I wouldn't give such a 2nd look at the NCP if she was offering LT for 500 baht. Though, to be fair, some of her pics on bing look pretty hot.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1598615]"I don't think they can handle this! Cause my body too bootylicious for ya babe" [/QUOTE]Who dares compare our SYT of the East with these mountains of flesh? A pox on thee!
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1598546]
Though still far from what I'd call a 10, this bottom looks more my cup of tea:
[URL]http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2008/10/37%20Bulgarian%20Girls%20Are%20Great.jpg[/URL]
For breasts & hair I much prefer these:
[URL]http://www.pictures2rate.com/Holly_66[/URL]
[URL]http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2008/9/hot-topless-blonde.jpg[/URL]
For legs I like the following shots:
[URL]http://blog.asiantown.net/-/1839/This_Taiwanese_model_is_so_skinny[/URL]
[URL]http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2008/8/14aug14-tasty-looking-bathtub.jpg[/URL]
[/QUOTE]The 1st girl has a pretty good ass, but lacking meat just a little. Its hard to see if her body is very curvy or not.
Holy_66 is a ridiculous freak (no interest). Topless blonde is a bit overblown, but okay Taiwanese girl looks a bit too straight like a skinny ladyboy (not implying she is one). I like skinny waist but prefer a bit more curvy. Bathtub girl's tits don't look natural, otherwise she is good.
So taste varies a lot. I obviously prefer more in the bum and thigh width than you but prefer tits with a really beautiful shape more so than size.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1598546]
The type of bottom I like comes on a skinny petite girl which many TGs are, so it's small, not humungous like Serena's. I'll leave that one to Mr Enternational. My prefered bottom is also much more round & bubbly than your pic of the Russian. As seen on quite a few slim NPL TGs I've boinked.
Though still far from what I'd call a 10, this bottom looks more my cup of tea:
[URL]http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2008/10/37%20Bulgarian%20Girls%20Are%20Great.jpg[/URL]
For breasts & hair I much prefer these:
[URL]http://www.pictures2rate.com/Holly_66[/URL]
[URL]http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2008/9/hot-topless-blonde.jpg[/URL]
For legs I like the following shots:
[URL]http://blog.asiantown.net/-/1839/This_Taiwanese_model_is_so_skinny[/URL]
[URL]http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2008/8/14aug14-tasty-looking-bathtub.jpg[/URL]
[/QUOTE]The first has a nice ass, true. But they all, except the Chinese chick, have fake boobs. Total turn off unless they are high-quality saline implants.
The "Holly" chick is a photoshop pasteup, so that's a bad example. I personally know Latinas with genuine boobs like that. Unfortunately, you can't have giant real knockers without a fair amount of body fat elsewhere. Tiny, skinny frames and giant boobs rarely go together.
The Chinese girl is far too thin and lacks muscle tone. She certainly has legs up to her neck but they look like stilts. No shape a-tall.
My song sateng.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1599352]The "Holly" chick is a photoshop pasteup, so that's a bad example. I personally know Latinas with genuine boobs like that. [/QUOTE]Over the years I've encountered a few street girls near NEP gogo central in Bangkok with the look of Holly's boobs. They always seemed to have huge natural tits in the sack & in missionary. Certainly they were soft & satisfying. Not like repeatedly rubbing on bowling balls.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1599352]Unfortunately, you can't have giant real knockers without a fair amount of body fat elsewhere. Tiny, skinny frames and giant boobs rarely go together.[/QUOTE]I'm usually having to choose between a little skinny and a big titties in Thailand. I see a lot of slim bustys in Japanese porn & on a certain Hong Kong escort site which cannot be named here. But what you describe can be found in anime and Hentai etc.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1599284]Holy_66 is a ridiculous freak (no interest).[/QUOTE]Did you notice that she was graded more than 5000 times with an average over 8 out of a possible best of 10? Personally I consider it falls short of 10 due to the arms and skin color.
Come to Thailand and you, too, can be like this Western Hollywood actor:
"Courtney Stodden, 19, Reconciles With Estranged Husband Doug Hutchison, 54: Will Wed Again!
[URL]https://ca.celebrity.yahoo.com/news/courtney-stodden-19-reconciles-estranged-husband-doug-hutchison-213000609-us-weekly.html[/URL]
I would like to know what percentage of the ladies the members have been with in Thailand speak basic English. None of the reports I have read have indicated.
Communication with their providers being a problem, so can I assume? Most of the girls speak some English? I recently went to Medillon, Co and most of the ladies.
Did Not speak English, but many people warned about this on the Forum.
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[QUOTE=Chukar;1610230]I would like to know what percentage of the ladies the members have been with in Thailand speak basic English. None of the reports I have read have indicated communication with their providers being a problem, so can I assume? Most of the girls speak some English? I recently went to Medillon, Co and most of the ladies did not speak English, but many people warned about this on the Forum.
[/QUOTE]In the many years I have been traveling to Thailand, I may have had a few times a WG which did not speak even basic English. Most of these times it was well outside of the usual places where farang go and even then I managed easily as long as you don't want anything special. All the girls I got from the Soi Cowboy agogo clubs were sufficiently fluent in English for my purpose. I once got a farmfresh girl at Annies who did not speak English at all, but the mamasan warned me beforehand and it turned out to be no problem.
As this is a question rather than a report. Has anyone ascertained to where the Stickman is moving after he retires or sells his seminal and excellent website? I'll sincerely miss his commentary. Stick was the true successor to the immortal Trink (Bangkok Eye's filling a slightly different role). I and many, many others will miss him tremendously.
[QUOTE=Naughty;1619375]As this is a question rather than a report. Has anyone ascertained to where the Stickman is moving after he retires or sells his seminal and excellent website? I'll sincerely miss his commentary. Stick was the true successor to the immortal Trink (Bangkok Eye's filling a slightly different role). I and many, many others will miss him tremendously.[/QUOTE]Why not just email him and ask instead of relying on hearsay?
Prayuth vowed to "prevent and solve the problem of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], migrants entering the country illegally (and) tourism that focuses on sex and #.
If he is serious what could mean for the action in Thailand?
Prayuth vowed to "prevent and solve the problem of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], migrants entering the country illegally (and) tourism that focuses on sex and #.
If he is serious what could mean for the action in Thailand?
[QUOTE=JpSlicky;1619933]Prayuth vowed to "prevent and solve the problem of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], migrants entering the country illegally (and) tourism that focuses on sex and #.
If he is serious what could mean for the action in Thailand?[/QUOTE]My guess? It could mean anything, everything or nothing or even something completely different or in-between this all.
There are no answers to such questions.
The junta's moral underpinning is a brand of puritanical paternalism. A clean-up is in full swing intended to purge the informal economy of unregistered labour, smuggling, prostitution, gambling and drug-dealing.
It will be interesting to see what really happens.
[quote=jpslicky;1619933]prayuth vowed to "prevent and solve the problem of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], migrants entering the country illegally (and) tourism that focuses on sex and #.
if he is serious what could mean for the action in thailand?[/quote]the reference is to illegal **** sex tourism, not legal normal sex tourism:
[url]http://www.in.com/news/current-affairs/thai-coup-leader-gen-prayuth-chanocha-outlines-policies-52935925-in-1.html[/url]
thailand's status re trafficking was recently downgraded by the usa. all the above quote & comment adds up to is poli speak in order to rectify that situation. iow, as usual, it's about the bottom line.
the effect on thailand's pussy industry to foreigners? that brings in some 5 to 10 percent of annual gdp since decades ago? none.
btw, according to a members' report earlier this year, it was historicly actually thaksin who was tougher on our hobby than their political opponents. so, if that is true, you should be happy he is not in power atm.
stated in the article was and tourism that focuses on sex and children. if the word "and" was substituted with "with" i would breath a bit easier as with all members of.
this forum, i sincerely wish him well in catching and jailing ****s in thailand.
tourism in thailand will certainly suffer along with the people who depend on the sex industry, and things could pick up in angels city. something this big however could.
just be driven underground and the local police would have to expend more efforts to control.
i personally hope pink pearl is correct.
[QUOTE=JpSlicky;1620130]The junta's moral underpinning is a brand of puritanical paternalism. A clean-up is in full swing intended to purge the informal economy of unregistered labour, smuggling, prostitution, gambling and drug-dealing.
It will be interesting to see what really happens.[/QUOTE]I couldn't find the source of this anywhere, but what's the "informal economy"? The illegal?
Prostitution has been around since the garden of Eden & not a single country has been able to "purge" it yet in thousands of years of human history.
Ditto for illicit substances. How is America's "War on drugs" going? A total flop, I hear. You think the Thais can do a better job?
The American are far more "puritanical" & actually take their public statements they make as much more binding & seriously, rather than for mere "face" effect.
Prostitution is also a booming business in the USA, where it is illegal to both buy & sell. Apparently more American men, per capita, engage in it than in Canada where the business is legal.
In LOS about 80 percent of prostitution is purely Thai on Thai. It is practicly a rite of passage for male Thai teens to pop their cherry thus. They don't have the moralistic hangups about it that Westerners often do. Mia noi, second wives, are common in Siam & Thai wives believe males need the outlet of hookers & that is preferable to their spouses having a love affair.
That's the reality of the state of affairs of real life in the real world rather than merely the usual empty media poli speak, which has a longstanding tradition of its own.
The time to start worrying is, if & when, some serious action begins on the ground level, rather than just air releases to the pie in the sky.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1620253]The effect on Thailand's pussy industry to foreigners? That brings in some 5 to 10 percent of annual GDP since decades ago? None.
[/QUOTE]Just to quibble a bit; depending on the source, tourism as a whole accounts for between 6% and 10% of the Thai economy. TAT puts it a 7%.
The P4P scene accounts for nowhere near 100% of the tourist trade. Some studies peg it at around 3% of GDP. This may be a reasonable guess, based on the percentage of tourists who are single males. However, when you consider that that represents about half of all Thailand tourism, it seems excessive. I don't think there is an accurate assessment, but overall the P4P scene is a very small part of Thailand's GDP.
Regardless, if the entire foreign P4P industry were eliminated overnight it would certainly put a temporary crimp in the tourism sector, but barely cause a ripple overall. IMHO, mongers traditionally overstate their importance to a given economy.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1621247]Just to quibble a bit; depending on the source, tourism as a whole accounts for between 6% and 10% of the Thai economy. TAT puts it a 7%.
The P4P scene accounts for nowhere near 100% of the tourist trade. Some studies peg it at around 3% of GDP. This may be a reasonable guess, based on the percentage of tourists who are single males. However, when you consider that that represents about half of all Thailand tourism, it seems excessive. I don't think there is an accurate assessment, but overall the P4P scene is a very small part of Thailand's GDP.
Regardless, if the entire foreign P4P industry were eliminated overnight it would certainly put a temporary crimp in the tourism sector, but barely cause a ripple overall. IMHO, mongers traditionally overstate their importance to a given economy.[/QUOTE]I think the estimated figures are very rough guesses & no one really knows.
"Tourism is a major economic factor in the Kingdom of Thailand, directly contributing an estimated 7. 3 percent to Thailand's GDP in 2012. When including the indirect effects of tourism, it accounted for 16.7 percent of Thailand's GDP. " [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Thailand[/URL].
Additionally Thai prostitutes do not just make money in Thailand from foreign tourists in the country, but all over the world. They send / bring much of it back home, but this income is largely not included in Thailand's overall income figures as a nation.
"Even outside of Thailand, a large number of Thai sex workers have been working in European countries and Japan since the 1980's; an estimate of 70,000 Thai women are working in commercial sex in Japan alone (Hornblower 1993). " [URL]http://www.sexarchive.info/IES/thailand.html[/URL].
Not only Europe & Japan, but Singapore, Hong Kong & many other countries. Thailand is known as the "brothel to the world".
"Tourism as a leading economic indicator in term of its importance to the economy is expected to contribute 14.7 percent to the countries Gross Dometic Product (GDP). "
[URL]http://www.thephuketinsider.com/tourism/tourism_impact_on_thailands_economy_by_numbers.php[/URL]#sthash. Rsv2 AvRF. Dpuf.
"That 6 percent is only accumulative of what goes through legally but think about the millions that are not accounted for from street vendors, bar girls, massage parlors, taxis, passage vans, etc. I would guess tourism GDP up to 20 percent.
". 6 percent is the official figure but you are deluded if you think the knock on effect is just this figure even if the disruption only results in just 2 percent drop in GDP, then that's a very serious issue.
". include the money that farangs spend for their Thai wives or girlfriends" or kept women, sponsors & the like.
"Yes, I don't know how they arrive at the the figure and what they say it is, but tourism certainly provides widespread, low-barrier employment and the start up of small businesses. As well tourism is usually a high-profit (cost vs revenue) sector (except of course if people keep building hotels when the market is already saturated). It also generates crucial foreign exchange. Big-time cash cow. ".
"should these contributions by expats suddenly cease, you would have another huge discrepancy in what supports the multitude of people who need it most. Foreigners in one way or another, contribute more to Thailand than they are given credit for much, much more.
"Whatever the official GDP is, the activity provides a lifeline for tens of thousands of Thais that would otherwise go without an income. Many of the activities associated with the tourist trade are filled by illiterate people from impoverished areas that are blocked out of other opportunities.
"I am not justifying working conditions, just making the observation that without the tourism, these people would be further marginalized and suffer greater hardship. As such, the contribution is magnified because these people would become a burden or a source of conflict.
"Anyone with any common sense will know that homes purchased for Thai wives / families and kids sent to school will not be included in tourism revenues. Yet guys start out as tourists, and for the various reasons we all know, will later move to Thailand with their life savings. Combined, that type of spending is absolutely enormous, and is a direct result of tourism. The knock-on effects of foreigners traveling to, then settling in, Thailand are significant indeed. Combined with whatever the direct contribution of tourist cash to GDP -- whether its 5 percent or 10 percent -- the overall amount is staggering relative to Thailand's overall economy. ".
"Well I am estimating that direct tourism is 3.9 percent. I also think there is indirect 'tourism' - the guy who comes here meets a girl and sends her Bt10,000 a month. The person who comes to retire here. People who buy holiday homes. (I wouldn't really count an 'expat' working here as a 'tourism' although it is a grey area (I mean many expats who say own a bar are probably quasi long term tourists). But even say 'Club Med' building a hotel for foreign tourists will have a GDP effect. How much that contributes I don't know so I am guessing US $3 bn / per annum."
"very common to see a "centric" approach on such figures by expats. Especially Westerners who seem to think that without the West Thailand wouldn't exist. ".
"It wouldn't it would be Japanese or more likely German!
[URL]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/225728-how-much-does-tourism-contribute-to-thai-gdp/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Phordphan]If the entire foreign P4P industry were eliminated overnight it would certainly put a temporary crimp in the tourism sector, but barely cause a ripple overall. IMHO, mongers traditionally overstate their importance to a given economy.[/QUOTE]
My take on this is slightly more nuanced than Mr. Phan's.
As noted elsewhere in this discussion, tourism is generally a high margin business. What I'd like to emphasize is that the subset of the tourist industry catering to naughty boys is particularly high margin. Seriously, how much capital does it take to open a bar on Soi Six in Pattaya? The rundown physical plant in your typical Bangkok oily or soapie was paid off decades ago. Ongoing operating costs are similarly modest. And don't forget that it brings in lots of hard currency.
Finally, and I think this is a key point, consider the WORKERS who make their living catering to the naughty boys who flock to Thailand. The women are almost always from modest backgrounds in rural areas who don't go very far in school. In today's global economy, where there is always a race to bottom when it comes to unskilled labor, this type of worker is very hard to employ. And when they do find work the wages are extremely low.
Mr. Phan is spot on when he notes the naughty boy industry contributes only a fraction of Thailand's GDP. But in my view that small contribution does much to provide a living to Thais who otherwise would be barely getting by. In the current political environment, with the "little people" facing off against the royalists and military, I suspect the latter is willing to at least tolerate the sex trade because they know a crackdown would make things ever harder for the lower end of the populace, and that's a headache they don't need right now.
Bunky
september 17 2014.
thailand's military ruler on wednesday questioned whether tourists in bikinis are safe in the kingdom, in comments following the murder of two britons whose battered bodies were found on a thai island.
david miller, 24, and hannah witheridge, 23, were found dead on the southern island of koh tao on monday, sparking a hunt for their killers. post-mortem examinations were carried out on wednesday after the bodies were brought to bangkok.
but authorities have yet to make an arrest despite questioning several suspects including two british men -- who are believed to have travelled with miller -- and a number of myanmar migrant workers.
"there are always problems with tourist safety. they think our country is beautiful and is safe so they can do whatever they want, they can wear bikinis and walk everywhere," prime minister prayut chan-o-cha, who is also army chief, told government officials.
but "can they be safe in bikinis. unless they are not beautiful?" he said, addressing the issue of tourist safety in a speech broadcast live on television.
his statement appeared to echo others made to reporters on tuesday in which he questioned the behavior of the murder victims as well as the perpetrators.
"the female victim suffered cuts to her head. while the male was beaten on the head. but water found in his lungs suggests he may have died from drowning," he said, adding cuts on miller's hands showed signs of a struggle.
the wounds were inflicted by "a sharp, hard object. and (they were) hit hard with a rock", he added.
a bloodied garden hoe was also found near the crime scene.
Hi guys,
I'm traveling to Thailand next year for a few weeks holiday with my friend. It's to see what would be better Bangkok or Pattaya around The start of July.
Thank you.
[QUOTE=DonzieBhoy;1623802]Hi guys,
I'm traveling to Thailand next year for a few weeks holiday with my friend. It's to see what would be better Bangkok or Pattaya around The start of July.
Thank you.[/QUOTE]Chiang Mai and Loy Kroh St. Is far better than Pattaya or Patpong! The girls are stunners and cheaper. There will be so many you won't know whether to shit or go blind!
Also I have a bridge for sale on the Ping River going cheap. (As used in the famous war movie, 'Bridge on the River Kwaai'.)
[QUOTE=DonzieBhoy;1623802]Hi guys,
I'm traveling to Thailand next year for a few weeks holiday with my friend. It's to see what would be better Bangkok or Pattaya around The start of July.
Thank you.[/QUOTE]July is the hot and wet season (and I am not just talking about the girls! If this is your first (mongering) trip to Thailand, I'd suggest you go to both places and sample what is on offer. Personally I am more fond of the agogo clubs in Bangkok, but Pattaya is something you have to experience as well. Who knows, maybe you like the sleaziness of Soi 6 or the convenience of Beach Road more than the eye-candy in an agogo club.
"just weeks after two british tourists were found murdered on a thai beach, the country's tourism minister wants to tag all future visitors with identification bracelets. the next step would be some sort of electronic tracking device but this has not yet been discussed in detail," she said, as well as a potential program that would pair tourists with a local "minder. " you know, just like when you visit north korea. " the i'd tags would make it much easier for locals to assist lost, drunk, or otherwise out of it tourists.
[url]http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/09/thailand-wants-to-give-tourists-id-bracelets.html[/url]
regarding the murder, "a british student found dead in thailand was raped by two men while another watched before she was murdered, police have said. two different semen samples collected from her body are the basis for dna analysis being used to test hundreds of men. " - see more at: [url]http://www.independent.ie/world-news/asia-pacific/thailand-beach-murders-hannah-was-raped-by-two-men-before-being-killed-30628041.html[/url].
[QUOTE=JavaMan;1627344]"Just weeks after two British tourists were found murdered on a Thai beach, the country's tourism minister wants to tag all future visitors with identification bracelets. The next step would be some sort of electronic tracking device but this has not yet been discussed in detail," she said, as well as a potential program that would pair tourists with a local "minder. " You know, just like when you visit North Korea. " The I'd tags would make it much easier for locals to assist lost, drunk, or otherwise out of it tourists.
[URL]http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/09/thailand-wants-to-give-tourists-id-bracelets.html[/URL]
[/QUOTE]Khaaaap! So lets spend millions of baht on a ridiculous, '1984' monitoring system that would send what few brave tourists we have remaining, scampering across the border, any border, but the Landof Stupid, really really very stupid, ideas. They should be spending money updating all their prehistoric immigration forms, with no spaces for email or even phone number, but which you MUST put on there anyway, then get them online, revamp the 'reporting system' make investing in their country more 'farang freindly' in general, and re-think the 'extension of stay' system to be more practical and less costly to maintain. Tagging visitors is the most insane idea ever, what are we, the juntas racing pigeons?
[QUOTE=OliverKitsoff;1627464]Khaaaap! So lets spend millions of baht on a ridiculous, '1984' monitoring system that would send what few brave tourists we have remaining, scampering across the border, any border, but the Landof Stupid, really really very stupid, ideas. They should be spending money updating all their prehistoric immigration forms, with no spaces for email or even phone number, but which you MUST put on there anyway, then get them online, revamp the 'reporting system' make investing in their country more 'farang freindly' in general, and re-think the 'extension of stay' system to be more practical and less costly to maintain. Tagging visitors is the most insane idea ever, what are we, the juntas racing pigeons?[/QUOTE]Not quite the dumbest idea I've ever heard, but it's right up there! How much would this cost to provide all the bracelets and track everyone. How many drunk tourist will get together and play a game of 'who can get theirs off first'. They would need to be waterproof and not set of the detectors at the airports for those taking domestic flights.
I like the idea of making it easier for local to assist tourist. I mean really, as if tourist aren't easy enough to spot and rob / scam. Why not have them glow to different intensities depending on how much money you have on you so the muggers don't waste time or poor tourists. On the bright side, you could go out partying and get really drunk, then phone the police and ask them to pick you up. You wouldn't even need to know where you were!
[QUOTE=JavaMan;1627344] a potential program that would pair tourists with a local "minder. "[/QUOTE]I guess many of us wouldn't mind getting paired up with a nice "spinner" type local minder! "Sorry hun, it is the rule of law in Thailand to be everywhere accompagnied by a local minder".
Just wondering what the quality of condoms you buy there. The pharmacy is the place to buy in BKK, I presume. I plan to bring many, just never know if you need more.
[QUOTE=RumBuddy;1627901]Just wondering what the quality of condoms you buy there. The pharmacy is the place to buy in BKK, I presume. I plan to bring many, just never know if you need more.[/QUOTE]The pharmacy chains like Boots will stock the international brands of condoms. I always brought enough so I did not check it out in detail. Perhaps they are made for "Asian" size?
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1628025]The pharmacy chains like Boots will stock the international brands of condoms. I always brought enough so I did not check it out in detail. Perhaps they are made for "Asian" size?[/QUOTE]All the local 7/11 and other shops stock Durex -- with a wide variety of sizes, flavors and colors.
[QUOTE=JpSlicky;1619933]Prayuth vowed to "prevent and solve the problem of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], migrants entering the country illegally (and) tourism that focuses on sex and #.
If he is serious what could mean for the action in Thailand?[/QUOTE]Nothing. Thai history and culture is based on the whole concept of women as 'relaxation aides' for a male society, that's why they are so naturally charming deferring and also flirty. That's where the whole saying 'up to you' comes from. Taksin was the worst crusader against the whole sex drugs and rock and roll this country has probably ever seen. It was unworkable, and in a lovely twist of irony. HE is in exile in the UAE one of the most un-fun places this side of Mecca. Hope He's sucking it up! So in conclusion, your (legal age) pussy and beer is not going to go away. Trust me.
[QUOTE=OliverKitsoff;1628227]Nothing. Thai history and culture is based on the whole concept of women as 'relaxation aides' for a male society, that's why they are so naturally charming deferring and also flirty. That's where the whole saying 'up to you' comes from. Taksin was the worst crusader against the whole sex drugs and rock and roll this country has probably ever seen. It was unworkable, and in a lovely twist of irony. HE is in exile in the UAE one of the most un-fun places this side of Mecca. Hope He's sucking it up! So in conclusion, your (legal age) pussy and beer is not going to go away. Trust me.[/QUOTE]Oh, things will change here. They are already in the process. Women have more economic power now, there are more women in uni in Thailand than men, more female CEOs than any other nation, and hey we just had a female PM.
So if you think things are not going to be different 5, 10,15 yrs from now. I got news for you. They are already way different than they were 10 years ago. Salaries are such that office gals don't have to moonlight as P4 P gals anymore. Really restaurant staff don't either. Most of the P4 P gals now are ones that are just too lazy or too dumb to do anything else.
[QUOTE=RumBuddy;1627901]Just wondering what the quality of condoms you buy there. The pharmacy is the place to buy in BKK, I presume. I plan to bring many, just never know if you need more.[/QUOTE]RumBuddy I don't mean to insult you, but Thailand is not 'third world' anymore. Some Bangkok hospitals are among the words best, the supermarkets sell virtually anything you can get at home plus stuff from other first world markets you may never have seen. At the risk of sounding a bit queer, if you have ever seen ladyboys in heat, you will understand that a significant portion of Thai males are as big as some black dudes. Asian size condoms are for China and Japan markets.
"burmese men behind deaths of british backpackers reconstruct scene of murder.
it was a strange scene on the island of koh tao. the two burmese men who confessed to killing two british backpackers on a thai beach were forced to reconstruct the murder, sky news reported. the reenactment is a typical practice used by thai police, according to [url]newser.com[/url]. hannah witheridge, 23, died from head wounds on sairee beach while david miller, 24, died from drowning and a blow to the head from a garden hoe. the sick men behind the killing murdered miller in an act of "sexual jealousy," according to the thai police chief.
according to footage, the handcuffed suspects identified as win, 21, and saw, 23, of myanmar walk through the murder wearing motorcycle helmets and police vests on sairee beach. police surround them, and hundreds of locals and tourists gawk at the bizarre sight. one suspect can be seen talking to officers while he walks from the sea to the beach, brandishing a large tool to apparently replicate the garden hoe. the peculiar reconstruction also included a fake witheridge and miller, and the imposters walked along the beach with their arms around each other. the dangerous duo copped to killing the young tourists during police interrogation.
"the suspects saw them kissing and were aroused, so they attacked and got rid of the man and proceeded to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] the female victim," said national police chief somyot poompanmoung, adding there was "clear evidence" including witness testimony and forensic evidence.
dna of the two men match that found in witheridge, police said, after samples were collected from more than 100 men on the island. provincial police chief kiattipong khaosamang said the two men also admitted [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] witheridge. ".
[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/burmese-men-behind-deaths-british-backpackers-reconstruct-scene-murder-article-1.1962170[/url]
"the victims were david miller, 24, and hannah witheridge, 23. they were relaxing on the beach when the men, who had been drinking, allegedly set upon them, authorities said. police said they raped the woman repeatedly before bashing her head with a hoe and killing her, according to the bangkok post. authorities told reporters that the man appeared to have been beaten with the hoe first and dragged into the sea while alive. they said there was evidence that he died by drowning. one of the men worked at a resort hotel and the other at a restaurant near the crime scene.
the bangkok post noted that thai authorities "are frequently accused of framing migrants" from myanmar and cambodia "for crimes in the kingdom. "police insist they are not scapegoating anyone for the murders. both public officials and koh tao residents seem anxious to put the sordid scenes of the past 19 days behind them," said the paper. ".
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/03/thai-police-arrest-two-in-brutal-beachfront-killing-of-british-packpackers/[/url]
the accused were among three nationals from myanmar. formerly known as burma. held since thursday on suspicion of involvement in the crime. the third myanmar man is believed to be a witness and is currently under police protection. the men have been charged with the murder of both britons. a charge which carries the death penalty. they have not asked for legal representation.
[QUOTE=OliverKitsoff;1628248]RumBuddy I don't mean to insult you, but Thailand is not 'third world' anymore. Some Bangkok hospitals are among the words best, the supermarkets sell virtually anything you can get at home plus stuff from other first world markets you may never have seen. At the risk of sounding a bit queer, if you have ever seen ladyboys in heat, you will understand that a significant portion of Thai males are as big as some black dudes. Asian size condoms are for China and Japan markets.[/QUOTE]You are correct about Thailand not being 3rd world, but incorrect about size in Thailand. They are some of the smallest dudes in Asia; hence some of the smallest in the world. Saw a chart just the other day in fact.
[quote=javaman;1628357]"burmese men behind deaths of british backpackers reconstruct scene of murder.
it was a strange scene on the island of koh tao. the two burmese men who confessed to killing two british backpackers on a thai beach were forced to reconstruct the murder, sky news reported. the reenactment is a typical practice used by thai police, according to [url]newser.com[/url]. hannah witheridge, 23, died from head wounds on sairee beach while david miller, 24, died from drowning and a blow to the head from a garden hoe. the sick men behind the killing murdered miller in an act of "sexual jealousy," according to the thai police chief.
according to footage, the handcuffed suspects identified as win, 21, and saw, 23, of myanmar walk through the murder wearing motorcycle helmets and police vests on sairee beach. police surround them, and hundreds of locals and tourists gawk at the bizarre sight. one suspect can be seen talking to officers while he walks from the sea to the beach, brandishing a large tool to apparently replicate the garden hoe. the peculiar reconstruction also included a fake witheridge and miller, and the imposters walked along the beach with their arms around each other. the dangerous duo copped to killing the young tourists during police interrogation.
"the suspects saw them kissing and were aroused, so they attacked and got rid of the man and proceeded to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] the female victim," said national police chief somyot poompanmoung, adding there was "clear evidence" including witness testimony and forensic evidence.
dna of the two men match that found in witheridge, police said, after samples were collected from more than 100 men on the island. provincial police chief kiattipong khaosamang said the two men also admitted [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] witheridge. ".
[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/burmese-men-behind-deaths-british-backpackers-reconstruct-scene-murder-article-1.1962170[/url]
"the victims were david miller, 24, and hannah witheridge, 23. they were relaxing on the beach when the men, who had been drinking, allegedly set upon them, authorities said. police said they raped the woman repeatedly before bashing her head with a hoe and killing her, according to the bangkok post. authorities told reporters that the man appeared to have been beaten with the hoe first and dragged into the sea while alive. they said there was evidence that he died by drowning. one of the men worked at a resort hotel and the other at a restaurant near the crime scene.
the bangkok post noted that thai authorities "are frequently accused of framing migrants" from myanmar and cambodia "for crimes in the kingdom. "police insist they are not scapegoating anyone for the murders. both public officials and koh tao residents seem anxious to put the sordid scenes of the past 19 days behind them," said the paper. ".
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/03/thai-police-arrest-two-in-brutal-beachfront-killing-of-british-packpackers/[/url]
the accused were among three nationals from myanmar. formerly known as burma. held since thursday on suspicion of involvement in the crime. the third myanmar man is believed to be a witness and is currently under police protection. the men have been charged with the murder of both britons. a charge which carries the death penalty. they have not asked for legal representation.[/quote]wow. a scene straight out of "the blooding. " which is a highly recommended book for anyone interested in the early development of forensic dna evidence. the cops basically took blood from everybody in a small town in the uk.
there is one thing about some tourists that never ceases to amaze me, and that's how you can travel to a foreign land and never study anything about local culture beforehand.
just a few years ago, a couple of russian chicks were killed on jomtien by a local. one of the thai papers had pix of the bodies sitting on a beach chair. they were shot by some local pos. but these two rocket scientists were drinking until the very wee hours with these local guys, alone, on a dark beach. we can guess what lead up to the shootings.
many times i've seen some euro-broad show up at some beach, strip down to her bathing suit bottoms and go for a swim. this may play in europe, but in sea, parts of the caribbean, parts of mexico, etc. , etc. , it's highly frowned upon and highly insulting to the locals. it also give the impression that all farang women are hos and sluts.
now we have a couple going at it hot and heavy on a secluded beach, in a country where, until very recently, men and women didn't even hold hands in public. how is this a good idea?
while i deplore this act of senseless violence, and i'd be happy to pull the lever on these two cretins, we still all need to take responsibility for how we act in a foreign country and to avoid potentially dangerous situations. a little research would have probably saved these two kids' lives.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1628399]
There is one thing about some tourists that never ceases to amaze me, and that's how you can travel to a foreign land and never study anything about local culture beforehand.
(Big Snip)
While I deplore this act of senseless violence, and I'd be happy to pull the lever on these two cretins, we still all need to take responsibility for how we act in a foreign country and to avoid potentially dangerous situations. A little research would have probably saved these two kids' lives.[/QUOTE]Some very good points you raise. Thanks for doing so.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1628399]I'd be happy to pull the lever on these two cretins, we still all need to take responsibility for how we act in a foreign country and to avoid potentially dangerous situations. A little research would have probably saved these two kids' lives.[/QUOTE]I just hope these two guys are really the ones that did it. I wouldn't put it past local law enforcement to frame these guys.
[QUOTE=Ripple67;1517528]I've been in Thailand for almost six weeks. One thing I was not prepared for was how [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor most Thai's English language skills are. It's kind of been a spoiler on the holiday (no one can answer questions about local customs) and on mongering. I was planning to enjoy six weeks play here then go somewhere more exotic (such as Burma) for some cultural tourism, but really I am so disappointed by the linguistic (and other) skills of the girls that I have bedded here that I am thinking of going to the Philippines, where apparently the girls can string a couple of sentences together. The best girl I had here so far (and by far) was Zambian!
Disappointed so far in the Land of Smiles after Bangkok, Pattaya and Kanchanaburi.
Ripple[/QUOTE]Perhaps you might wish to learn some Thai next time around to assist with your communication?
Never been a real issue from my perspective given that there are some aspects of communication that are universal irrespective of language backgrounds.
[QUOTE=TwoDogs;1628649]Perhaps you might wish to learn some Thai next time around to assist with your communication?
Never been a real issue from my perspective given that there are some aspects of communication that are universal irrespective of language backgrounds.[/QUOTE]It was a strange post to begin with. I know quite a few Americans are quite unworldly so perhaps it is simply indicative of a certain lack of knowledge about the world. Generally prostitutes are made up of the lower socio economic groups so to go to a foreign country and expect them to speak English is bizarre.
[QUOTE=OliverKitsoff;1628248]RumBuddy I don't mean to insult you, but Thailand is not 'third world' anymore. Some Bangkok hospitals are among the words best, the supermarkets sell virtually anything you can get at home plus stuff from other first world markets you may never have seen. At the risk of sounding a bit queer, if you have ever seen ladyboys in heat, you will understand that a significant portion of Thai males are as big as some black dudes. Asian size condoms are for China and Japan markets.[/QUOTE]Just ask some experienced black women. They can attest that its a misconception that average black men are so big. Its just a small percentage that are extra large, same as for whites. It is generally agreed that East Asians are smaller on average (but not always). Thais do not have the reputation as the smallest though.
Having a large dick is a disadvantage in Thailand unless you happen to be with a particularly loose woman. Guys too well hung will get more knockbacks, and also more bad sessions where girls legs will seize up because they are scared. Girls will complain of pain quicker too.
Size 49 condoms are not for just Chinese and Japanese. That is silly. Every nationality has a lot of variations.
[QUOTE=RumBuddy;1627901]Just wondering what the quality of condoms you buy there. The pharmacy is the place to buy in BKK, I presume. I plan to bring many, just never know if you need more.[/QUOTE]You can buy condoms in pharmacy if you wish or in 7 Eleven. I use Durex Comfort as they are easy to get on and off, extra width, and not too thick. Not every single place has them, but should be available in touristy areas. There is no problem with quality for this brand. I cannot speak to other brands. Do not buy condoms that are ribbed or pimpled. Girls do not like it.
I don't like to rely on girls to supply a condom, as she may have one that does not suit.
I prefer to bring Ritex Gel from overseas as most of the local gels are not as good in my opinion. Too sticky, however most will be using KY or Durex Play.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1628797]Just ask some experienced black women. They can attest that its a misconception that average black men are so big. Its just a small percentage that are extra large, same as for whites. It is generally agreed that East Asians are smaller on average (but not always). Thais do not have the reputation as the smallest though.
Having a large dick is a disadvantage in Thailand unless you happen to be with a particularly loose woman. Guys too well hung will get more knockbacks, and also more bad sessions where girls legs will seize up because they are scared. Girls will complain of pain quicker too.
Size 49 condoms are not for just Chinese and Japanese. That is silly. Every nationality has a lot of variations.[/QUOTE]But there is an average size per country.
[URL]http://elitedaily.com/news/world/average-penis-size-by-country-chart/718225/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1628801]You can buy condoms in pharmacy if you wish or in 7 Eleven. I use Durex Comfort as they are easy to get on and off, extra width, and not too thick. Not every single place has them, but should be available in touristy areas. There is no problem with quality for this brand. I cannot speak to other brands. Do not buy condoms that are ribbed or pimpled. Girls do not like it.
I don't like to rely on girls to supply a condom, as she may have one that does not suit.
I prefer to bring Ritex Gel from overseas as most of the local gels are not as good in my opinion. Too sticky, however most will be using KY or Durex Play.[/QUOTE]I like the Durex Comfort as well. Getting harder to find though. Used to be in all 7-11's, but now most don't seem to have them. The smaller Durex just strangle the shaft almost making it painful when coming. If I went to the states more often I would bring bone bags back with me.
The Okomoto. 03's are available here. Boots has the larger size as well. They are a bit more expensive than Durex but are quite good. Try 'them out if you have not already.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1628904]I like the Durex Comfort as well. Getting harder to find though. Used to be in all 7-11's, but now most don't seem to have them. The smaller Durex just strangle the shaft almost making it painful when coming. If I went to the states more often I would bring bone bags back with me.
The Okomoto. 03's are available here. Boots has the larger size as well. They are a bit more expensive than Durex but are quite good. Try 'them out if you have not already.[/QUOTE]The other day a girl insisted on a condom so I obliged her, but the rubber caused such pain to my dick when I started fucking her. After changing from the Durex to a Japanese Okamoto (I may have bought in a Singapore's Watson's store) the suffering was less.
Still this was sex only suited to S & M types & reinforced my detestation of sex with plastic baggies. Fortunately there are a number of other physical services I can enjoy with ladies of the street that do not require their use.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1628238]Oh, things will change here. They are already in the process. Women have more economic power now, there are more women in uni in Thailand than men, more female CEOs than any other nation, and hey we just had a female PM.
So if you think things are not going to be different 5, 10,15 yrs from now. I got news for you. They are already way different than they were 10 years ago. Salaries are such that office gals don't have to moonlight as P4 P gals anymore. Really restaurant staff don't either. Most of the P4 P gals now are ones that are just too lazy or too dumb to do anything else.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the socio-ecomoics lecture, you are absolutely correct on these observations, and they are to be applauded, even by a horn-dog Asian cheap-sex-fetishest like me. What however, does it bring to the original discussion, in terms of the OP question -and my response, which I won't bother to rehash here?
Suffice to say that even if this becomes the first country in the world to adopt a predominantly matrilineal culture in modern times, the oldest profession will not perish.
So in conclusion. Trust me, your beer and pussy is not going anywhere.
It may become expensive, less visible, it may morph in other ways, but that was never the topic to begin with. Or have I missed something?
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1628901]But there is an average size per country.
[URL]http://elitedaily.com/news/world/average-penis-size-by-country-chart/718225/[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]http://www.everyoneweb.com/WORLDPENISSIZE[/URL]
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1628901]But there is an average size per country.
[URL]http://elitedaily.com/news/world/average-penis-size-by-country-chart/718225/[/URL][/QUOTE]A "chart created by humor website 9 gag" as proof?
Anyhow, the average is probably the most abused statistical measure ever. Didn't you ever hear the joke about the statitisican who drowned in a pond with an average depth of one inch?
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1629007][URL]http://www.everyoneweb.com/WORLDPENISSIZE[/URL][/QUOTE]
One chart says Australians average 5.2 inches, the other says 6.2 Should I believe either of them? I think not. Who would have done the measuring? LOL You can't get good data by asking people obviously. Most of this data is unreliable at best. I reckon experienced hookers have a fair idea though, so I only go by what they tell me. Perhaps its a little unfair because they don't meet black guys from the Congo. LOL
If 7.1 inches is average in the Congo, imagine the variations, some being only 4 inches and some being a Holmesian 10 inches. Very few Thai girls want to be pounded by a ten inch "saak-grabeua" (สากกระเบือ Som Tam pounding pestle).
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1629038]A "chart created by humor website 9 gag" as proof?
Anyhow, the average is probably the most abused statistical measure ever. Didn't you ever hear the joke about the statitisican who drowned in a pond with an average depth of one inch?[/QUOTE]Yeah, I didn't reply to him directly on that, seemed like Goatscrot's singled me out for a little trolling fun, whatever floats a man-childs boat, I guess. Goatscrot
is either a very smart guy with a very dry sense of humour, or not.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1628904]
The Okomoto. 03's are available here. Boots has the larger size as well. They are a bit more expensive than Durex but are quite good. Try 'them out if you have not already.[/QUOTE]Okay Thanks will try. I go to Germany often, so get to bring loads of good quality Gel, also Coffee, and odd things that are a bit expensive here.
[QUOTE=OliverKitsoff;1629041]Yeah, I didn't reply to him directly on that, seemed like Goatscrot's singled me out for a little trolling fun, whatever floats a man-childs boat, I guess. Goatscrot
is either a very smart guy with a very dry sense of humour, or not.[/QUOTE]You do write in a slightly flamboyant exaggerated style sometimes, including a few statements slightly ridiculous (even if intended as joking), like something is elevating your mood. This may make you a target.
[QUOTE=Ripple67;1517528]I've been in Thailand for almost six weeks. One thing I was not prepared for was how [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor most Thai's English language skills are. It's kind of been a spoiler on the holiday (no one can answer questions about local customs) and on mongering. I was planning to enjoy six weeks play here then go somewhere more exotic (such as Burma) for some cultural tourism, but really I am so disappointed by the linguistic (and other) skills of the girls that I have bedded here that I am thinking of going to
Disappointed so far in the Land of Smiles after Bangkok, Pattaya and Kanchanaburi.the Philippines, where apparently the girls can string a couple of sentences together. The best girl I had here so far (and by far) was Zambian!
Ripple[/QUOTE]
Why would you come to Thailand for six weeks? This country is not English speaking as a norm. Why Pattaya? Its not for culture. Why Kanchanaburi? The only interesting stuff there is waterfalls, and nature. Fuck the cemeteries, "death" railway, and war museum. Boring for me.
My first tourist trip to Thailand was about 31 years ago and I had a good time, despite a Farang ex-wife in tow.
When I came to Thailand, over 20 years ago, I was spending lots of time with Thai girls that had zero to very little English. I was learning Thai. I did not come here to get advanced English conversation. That can be found if you need it, but perhaps Pattaya hookers is not the best place to look for it. There are plenty of Bangkok hookers studying English these days.
You just need to work out what you really want, and Thailand is not the place for the inflexible type. So go to Zambia. Should be cheaper there. Sure Philippines uses English as a normal language in addition to Tagalog.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1629040]One chart says Australians average 5.2 inches, the other says 6.2 Should I believe either of them? I think not. Who would have done the measuring? LOL You can't get good data by asking people obviously. Most of this data is unreliable at best. I reckon experienced hookers have a fair idea though, so I only go by what they tell me. Perhaps its a little unfair because they don't meet black guys from the Congo. LOL
If 7.1 inches is average in the Congo, imagine the variations, some being only 4 inches and some being a Holmesian 10 inches. Very few Thai girls want to be pounded by a ten inch "saak-grabeua" (สากกระเบือ Som Tam pounding pestle).[/QUOTE]The congolese figures seems to be "self reported", not "measured". I don't think many smaller sized Africans will come forward and acknowledge they are below average. At the very least, there will be a certain bias in these figures.
Is there a good shop in Bangkok for buying vitamins designed specifically to boost sperm production and cum quantity? Normally I always bought vitamins OS. I do already have normal multi-vitamins.
[QUOTE=Ripple67;1517528]I've been in Thailand for almost six weeks. One thing I was not prepared for was how [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor most Thai's English language skills are. It's kind of been a spoiler on the holiday (no one can answer questions about local customs) and on mongering. I was planning to enjoy six weeks play here then go somewhere more exotic (such as Burma) for some cultural tourism, but really I am so disappointed by the linguistic (and other) skills of the girls that I have bedded here that I am thinking of going to the Philippines, where apparently the girls can string a couple of sentences together. The best girl I had here so far (and by far) was Zambian!
Disappointed so far in the Land of Smiles after Bangkok, Pattaya and Kanchanaburi.
Ripple[/QUOTE]Before everybody jumps on this guy: his post dates from January 9th and he already got his share.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1629072]Is there a good shop in Bangkok for buying vitamins designed specifically to boost sperm production and cum quantity? Normally I always bought vitamins OS. I do already have normal multi-vitamins.[/QUOTE]I doubt if such vitamins even exist.
If you eat healthy with enough fruit and vegetables and good quality meat and fish in moderate quantities there is no reason to take any additional vitamins at all. Unless of course if you have a specific disease that gives you a vitamin deficiency.
The vitamin supplement industry is a multi billion dollar business based upon fear, uncertainty and doubt and is very thin on science.
Less than 60% of the multi-vitamin products contain effectively what they claim to contain (according to a recent Consumer Lab research) and already in 2006 John Hopkins University could find no significant difference in health between people that took multi-vitamins and those that did not.
[QUOTE=OliverKitsoff;1628248]but Thailand is not 'third world' anymore. Some Bangkok hospitals are among the words best, the supermarkets sell virtually anything you can get at home plus stuff from other first world markets you may never have seen.[/QUOTE]First, by definition, the term "Third World" was created during the Cold War to define countries that remained non-aligned with either NATO (with the United States, Western European nations and their allies representing the First World), or the Communist Bloc (with the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, and their allies representing the Second World).
Therefore, it is the people of the so-called "First World" who created this term in the first place, and then abused it as a derogatory term against most Asian countries.
Second, people in the so-called "First World" should realize that the world has been changing rapidly due to globalization. After few more decades, there will be no more significant differences between their so-called "Third World" and their so-called "First World", especially when it comes to living in the metropolises.
The lives in metropolises around the world nowadays are almost identical.
Third, no offence, but the ignorance of some people from the so-called "First World" sometimes just laughs my ass off.
Asking whether one can buy condoms or any other normal stuff in Bangkok or other Asian big cities is just hilarious.
Thinking that Bangkok or other Asian big cities are too dangerous and impoverished to visit is just hilarious, too.
In Bangkok, one can always walk on streets late at night safe and sound. On the other hand, there are many places in the so-called "First World" where the local residents dare not go out late at night since they are afraid to get robbed or shot.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1629129]I doubt if such vitamins even exist.
[/QUOTE]I would still like to know of a good shop for vitamins if anyone knows of such a place.
I have noticed that cramps went away after taking certain vitamins targeting this problem, and reduction in cum fluid after special vitamins ran out, and reduction in my knee aches when taking Glucosamine regularly. I can't put everything down to placebo effects.
I do try to eat good quality meats, fish and vegetables and avoid processed foods, but its always possible to be lacking on certainly beneficial nutrients.
I do know that the main effect of taking vitamins is to make very expensive [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url].
I also know that its often more about avoiding consumption of bad stuff, largely factory processed packaged foods, than taking supplements, however its not possible to know the levels of harmful hormones, mercury and pesticides in the fish we eat as an example.
I do try to avoid deep fried foods, not because they contain oil, but because we don't know which oils and how safe they are. I largely cook my own food, even in Thailand, and use Macadamia Oil as it has very high burn point, does not oxidise easily, not high in Omega 6s, and tastes good, etc., even though its hard to get. I am not scared by cholesterol or saturated fats. Fears of those things are becoming out-dated. "Good" and "bad" cholesterols, are not cholesterol at all. Its a misnomer. The latest theory is that it is Oxidised Low-density lipoproteins that are the danger substance causing arterial inflammation. So eat oils that are not prone to oxidisation. Cholesterol is actually a harmless small carrying/grouping molecule attached to lipoprotein packets. The diet I believe most in is usually called the "caveman" diet. Eat what are bodies are designed to eat, not manufactured stuff.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1629072]Is there a good shop in Bangkok for buying vitamins designed specifically to boost sperm production and cum quantity? Normally I always bought vitamins OS. I do already have normal multi-vitamins.[/QUOTE]Small dose of zink (small, can fuck you up if you take to much) works to some extent. The go to suplement is Lecithin 1200 MG capsules. Can be bought in villa market, buy the generic cheap kind. Take one cap in the morning, add one in the evening if the production needs to be extensive. You will have huge loads and can easily start getting pains in your balls if you unload to much (3 x day for 3 days for example) . You can develop a bit of overpreasure so it can be bad for one pop places, BJ bars are very pleasant though.
Syzgies,
I can vouch for Lecithin, least in my personal experience, for it helped.
[QUOTE=Gorgon;1629539]Snipped.
The go to suplement is Lecithin 1200 MG capsules. Can be bought in villa market, buy the generic cheap kind. Take one cap in the morning, add one in the evening if the production needs to be extensive. You will have huge loads and can easily start getting pains in your balls if you unload to much (3 x day for 3 days for example) . You can develop a bit of overpreasure so it can be bad for one pop places, BJ bars are very pleasant though.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gorgon;1629539]Small dose of zink (small, can fuck you up if you take to much) works to some extent. The go to suplement is Lecithin 1200 MG capsules. Can be bought in villa market, buy the generic cheap kind. Take one cap in the morning, add one in the evening if the production needs to be extensive. You will have huge loads and can easily start getting pains in your balls if you unload to much (3 x day for 3 days for example) . You can develop a bit of overpreasure so it can be bad for one pop places, BJ bars are very pleasant though.[/QUOTE]Are there any "go to" supplements, methods or diet if you want to reduce your sperm count or cum loads towards zero while continuing to enjoy sex to the same degree? And please don't say vasectomy or condoms.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1628238]Salaries are such that office gals don't have to moonlight as P4 P gals anymore. Really restaurant staff don't either. Most of the P4 P gals now are ones that are just too lazy or too dumb to do anything else.[/QUOTE]Spot on.
Just 10 years ago, there was still a fair number of P4 P girls who were driven to the industry by the circumstances, but were actually genuinely nice, normal (sometimes even admirable) people. Over the last few years, almost all the PFP girls were people I cannot at all relate to or empathize with (despite speaking Thai now and knowing vastly more about Thailand). "Too dumb or too lazy to do anything else" is a precise observation that I've been reluctant to make myself.
Sadly, this reduces the typical Thailand P4 P experience to slapping meat, instead of a pleasant company of another human (plus sex) that it often used to be. Oddly, I found myself moving downmarket, since I may well get low-end Thai-market meat for 400-800 baht instead of the 1500-3000 baht Nana or Cowboy meat, without the latter providing a substantially different experience (perhaps a bit less rushed and with a higher chance of a BBBJ, but similarly limiting). In the good old days, I often had the thought that I could easily enjoy staying with a new girl for a few days (if I so wanted), these days it's almost never the case.
On a slightly bright side, there is a small (and shrinking) segment of the girls who have been in the game for many years, and still kept the old-school-cool attitude (most lose it), and did not become too hardened. They're not necessarily either too dumb or too lazy, just have been on the game for too long to switch to another career.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1628238]Most of the P4 P gals now are ones that are just too lazy or too dumb to do anything else.[/QUOTE]I don't think most of them were ever particularly well educated or felt the need for useless schooling. But always smart enough to realize that a quick easy 1000 baht for 15 minutes is better than 300 for a whole day of hard labor. Which of the two would you choose?
If you have large bills to pay or want to live the high life like the top five percent of Thai society, it's a no brainier. Besides, Thailand's culture is more geared toward religion, Buddhism & a fun filled joking happy attitude toward life, not being rocket scientists.
Few sex working gals who could easily afford a higher education see any use for it, with probably many more inclined to funding their own business or using their career training in P4P to continue thereafter as mamasans. Why would they want to bother with all the expense, time & mental labour to go to a college or university for years and learn another trade or profession? They could if they wanted to, as they are more than capable, but where's the fun in that?
I think healthy respectful attitudes towards sex trade workers will result in better sessions with them than those which carry the opposite feelings against them. It's like a self fulfilling prophecy.
One-tenth of one percent of Thais control 46% of the wealth. I just don't see all this economic benefits being derived by Thais poor aka as prostitutes. Sure the city folk may have benefited some but surely not those in Issan
There must be other factors in the lower numbers of hookers. Maybe many just don't consistently make money so go home and grow rice.
Though I must credit the customers as no matter how little girls there are to choose from they leave the bottom 20% alone.
Anyways to combat Thai wealth inequality its recommended they tax the wealthy more. Keeping the poor dumb and oblivious always works to help a country raise its standard of living.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1629558]Are there any "go to" supplements, methods or diet if you want to reduce your sperm count or cum loads towards zero while continuing to enjoy sex to the same degree? And please don't say vasectomy or condoms.[/QUOTE]Drink a lot. Alcohol reduces sperm count.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1629558]Are there any "go to" supplements, methods or diet if you want to reduce your sperm count or cum loads towards zero while continuing to enjoy sex to the same degree? And please don't say vasectomy or condoms.[/QUOTE]Just get old and it will happen naturally.
Anyone had any luck getting two pops at a BJ bar? Extra tip? Last time I went I popped but I think the load wasn't big enough or was far enough down her throat that she just kept on going.
A second was in the cards except my buddy called as apparently I was about to make us run late to catch our bus, so I had to bolt.
Anyway I'd be keen to lay down the fee + another half of the fee if she'd keep going for a bit for #2.
Any ideas?
Hey all,
I'm coming to Thailand, including Bangkok, in the next couple of weeks. It'll be my first time here.
I was curious to get some info from someone with some good recent experience there, particularly with some tips for daytime quickies (like recommended massage places or options for "full service" for say an hour) given that I'm going with a group and may need to break away to have some fun. Therefore I wouldn't be able to do the girly bars or take full night company, so I'm exploring my options.
Also, is it easy to get around from one part of Bangkok to get to these areas where what I'm looking for is more prevalent?
Are the nightclubs in Bangkok free entrance like in other places?
Thanks for any help or guidance.
Lanthano
[QUOTE=Lanthano;1630044]Hey all,
I'm coming to Thailand, including Bangkok, in the next couple of weeks. It'll be my first time here.
I was curious to get some info from someone with some good recent experience there, particularly with some tips for daytime quickies (like recommended massage places or options for "full service" for say an hour) given that I'm going with a group and may need to break away to have some fun. Therefore I wouldn't be able to do the girly bars or take full night company, so I'm exploring my options.
Also, is it easy to get around from one part of Bangkok to get to these areas where what I'm looking for is more prevalent?
Are the nightclubs in Bangkok free entrance like in other places?
Thanks for any help or guidance.
Lanthano[/QUOTE]I have yet to go to the LOS yet, early next year hopefully. But to answer your question I think the standard answer would be RTFF. Do your homework. You ride the train and it sounds very simple to get laid almost 24 hours a day.
[QUOTE=Lanthano;1630044]Hey all,
I'm coming to Thailand, including Bangkok, in the next couple of weeks. It'll be my first time here.
I was curious to get some info from someone with some good recent experience there, particularly with some tips for daytime quickies (like recommended massage places or options for "full service" for say an hour) given that I'm going with a group and may need to break away to have some fun. Therefore I wouldn't be able to do the girly bars or take full night company, so I'm exploring my options.
Also, is it easy to get around from one part of Bangkok to get to these areas where what I'm looking for is more prevalent?
Are the nightclubs in Bangkok free entrance like in other places?
Thanks for any help or guidance.
Lanthano[/QUOTE]Reading the forum or a few reports would help answer most of your queries. In any case, most of the infamous massage parlors and BJ bars in Bangkok open between 11 am to 12 pm in the morning. The number of girls available at that time however is limited, but you can always find places to get off at during the daytime. Stay in Sukhumvit and use the BTS, easy to get around to most naughty places.
Some nightclubs are free but some aren't. Climax on soi 11 charges an entry fee of THB 250 but includes one free drink.
Many clubs / discos are now closing at 2 AM.
Last night was birthday of a friend of GF. We went firstly to Insanity disco (ex Insomnia). I am not much of a disco goer. Music is not from my generation. I guess its House stuff. Sometimes even had a song like "Diamonds" by Rihanna. What a shock! LOL.
Insanity closed at 2 AM. Most of the Insanity Crowd then moved on and turned up at "Spicy". Music sound quality was worse there but thankfully not so loud. Very repetitive thumping. I was less inclined to dance at Spicy. A few shitty songs. Sorry, I would much prefer to hear a band play some actual "music". Even bars like Crazy House have better music to my taste. Just my bias and too old to understand this stuff. Spicy closed at 4 AM.
Then most of this crowd moved on to ThongPoon Hotel, a very run down Hotel not that far from Spicy, but having a decrepit disco on the 3rd floor, either still open or just opening at 4 am and having no entrance fees. They keep it dark for good reason, and a few coloured lasers are used. Anyway the music was a little more musical than at Spicy, not just thump-thump stuff. Looked like some of the Spicy staff turned up at ThongPoon disco.
Got home about 6 AM.
So its still possible to disco till very late. Obviously some of the girls and guys in these places are looking for a pick up, particularly late in the evening. Some girls showed interest to meet me, however I was with GF, so could not really check out the possibilities. Certainly some good looking girls attending.
[QUOTE=Jgm005;1629540]Syzgies,
I can vouch for Lecithin, least in my personal experience, for it helped.[/QUOTE]Thanks for constructive suggestions, I will check out Villa Markt's array of vitamins, and will try Lecithin. What I used to take had various things, including Zinc, Ginseng, Tribulis, Arginine, Lysine, etc.
Obviously I am not trying to increase sperm count as not trying to make a baby. I haven't been sperm count tested. I hope that increased ejaculate volume available will make it easier to cum, being a person who cums with difficulty, especially if too many pops already or too soon since last time.
There were signs of some success previously. Anyway I will give up any vitamins if no signs of an effect.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1630204] Even bars like Crazy House have better music to my taste. Just my bias and too old to understand this stuff. .[/QUOTE]Probably not your bias, I too like the music at CH, but prefer the electronic music they play at Bacarra. Many times it so happens that moving from one a Go Go to another and back makes you lose track of the music genre and it all gets mixed in the head eventually leading to losing interest in that kind of music.
While I do enjoy the occasional house / techno / EDM which is necessary for dancing at after hour clubs, a good band can make all the difference. On two occasions, I have had a great time listening to the house band that performs in Climax, I think they play a two hour set between 1 am to 3 am. Not sure if they do it everyday though. I don't think they get live bands in Mixx, but they get DJs from outside at times.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1630208]Thanks for constructive suggestions, I will check out Villa Markt's array of vitamins, and will try Lecithin. What I used to take had various things, including Zinc, Ginseng, Tribulis, Arginine, Lysine, etc.
Obviously I am not trying to increase sperm count as not trying to make a baby. I haven't been sperm count tested. I hope that increased ejaculate volume available will make it easier to cum, being a person who cums with difficulty, especially if too many pops already or too soon since last time.
There were signs of some success previously. Anyway I will give up any vitamins if no signs of an effect.[/QUOTE]I'm afraid you're in for a bit of disappointment. Volume and ability have little to nothing in common. What you're describing is the increasing length of the male refractory period. When one is a teenager, for example, that period seems to be measured in seconds or minutes. LOL. As we age it tends to get longer and longer. At that point it can often be measured with a sundial, not a stopwatch.
Lecithin isn't going to fix that. However, if anybody knows something that will, I'm (and most of us) all ears!
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1630374]I'm afraid you're in for a bit of disappointment. Volume and ability have little to nothing in common. What you're describing is the increasing length of the male refractory period. When one is a teenager, for example, that period seems to be measured in seconds or minutes. LOL. As we age it tends to get longer and longer. At that point it can often be measured with a sundial, not a stopwatch.
Lecithin isn't going to fix that. However, if anybody knows something that will, I'm (and most of us) all ears![/QUOTE]Testosterone, HGH, clomid.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1630375]Testosterone, HGH, clomid.[/QUOTE]Using T now, but results are equivocal. Maybe non-prescription injections?
Clomid doesn't seem to be indicated for that use, but I've never tried it.
I've read about reducing prolactin with certain drugs. But I don't like the idea of blindly experimenting.
[QUOTE=Balimassage;1629986]Anyone had any luck getting two pops at a BJ bar? Extra tip? Last time I went I popped but I think the load wasn't big enough or was far enough down her throat that she just kept on going.[/QUOTE]Generally, two pops are double the fee (the fee is per pop, not per time period), and they're happy to do this. It makes no sense for the girl or the bar to give you a discount, since for most people the second pop is a fair bit more difficult and takes longer than the first one (plus there's the recharge time during which the girl is occupied with you).
Sure, it's possible to trick them, but would you also help yourself to a free drink while they were looking away?
BJ bar is different from a regular short time where overhead (finding the customer, going to the hotel, bit of small-talk / foreplay / afterplay, showers and whatnot, going back) takes far longer than the act itself, or a massage where paid session is fixed in duration. In those situations, there's a good incentive to give the second pop for a small extra fee (I sometimes negotiate 2 pops in advance along with the fee, it weeds out the hit-and-runs).
One way to maximize value is to go to the BJ bar after one or more pops earlier in the day. They'll keep working hard until you pop, even if it takes some time. The experience is passive, and they're doing all the work, so there's zero performance pressure, like there would be in a regular session.
[QUOTE=Balimassage;1629986]Anyone had any luck getting two pops at a BJ bar? Extra tip? Last time I went I popped but I think the load wasn't big enough or was far enough down her throat that she just kept on going.
A second was in the cards except my buddy called as apparently I was about to make us run late to catch our bus, so I had to bolt.
Anyway I'd be keen to lay down the fee + another half of the fee if she'd keep going for a bit for #2.
Any ideas?[/QUOTE]You could take two girls, pay them both to go one after the other or take one and have another sent up after you're done with the first. Also know that these girls are also available for BF.
[QUOTE=Balimassage;1629986]Anyone had any luck getting two pops at a BJ bar? Extra tip? Last time I went I popped but I think the load wasn't big enough or was far enough down her throat that she just kept on going.
A second was in the cards except my buddy called as apparently I was about to make us run late to catch our bus, so I had to bolt.
Anyway I'd be keen to lay down the fee + another half of the fee if she'd keep going for a bit for #2.
Any ideas?[/QUOTE]I've taken 2 girls at BJ bars and got 2 pops by paying each girl the standard fee. The advantage is that you have 2 girls working on you for each pop while you direct the action, and the second pop takes longer which makes it a great experience for the price.
I recommend it.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1630505]I've taken 2 girls at BJ bars and got 2 pops by paying each girl the standard fee. The advantage is that you have 2 girls working on you for each pop while you direct the action, and the second pop takes longer which makes it a great experience for the price.
I recommend it.[/QUOTE]I am curious to know and would love to have that. Getting sucked by 2 girls and cumming twice, will be so much fun.
And that too at 1400 Bahts!! Super value man.
Actually I tried that at Star of Light, but they refused, saying I would have to pay 2800 Bahts (700 X 4) which was way above my budget, SO I just settled for one girl each time.
[QUOTE=AssLover945;1630526]
Actually I tried that at Star of Light, but they refused, saying I would have to pay 2800 Bahts (700 X 4) which was way above my budget, SO I just settled for one girl each time.[/QUOTE]Ha Ha! 2 pops times 2 girls = 4. Interesting logic, but not what we expect in Bangkok. Taking the girls one at a time could have got 4 pops, theoretically.
[QUOTE=DCups;1461252]Hi Lance,
I concur. I had a beautiful busty threesome in Jakarta which was one of the highlights of my monger life. Never been to Surubay, tho. What about Bali. Is it worthwhile? I have to go to a conference there in 2015.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Just back from Bali, Kuta mainly. Not a destination for our hobby. There are sex to be had, but, not cheap, easy to find or very satisfying. No FL in Kuta, no bar pick-up, nothing in big disco Sky Garden. Old Paddy's is completely dead.
Some, hard to find, "casas" in the Sanur area, best to hire a taxi driver.
My recommendation is Angels Salon in Kuta. Ask taxi-driver. 1 hour 700 k in house. 3 hour outcall 1800 k.
[quote=asslover945;1630526]i am curious to know and would love to have that. getting sucked by 2 girls and cumming twice, will be so much fun.
and that too at 1400 bahts!! super value man.
actually i tried that at star of light, but they refused, saying i would have to pay 2800 bahts (700 x 4) which was way above my budget, so i just settled for one girl each time.[/quote][url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s in pattaya. i picked out the two girls, told them what i wanted and they happily obliged.
[QUOTE=Peribe;1630656]Just back from Bali, Kuta mainly. Not a destination for our hobby. There are sex to be had, but, not cheap, easy to find or very satisfying. No FL in Kuta, no bar pick-up, nothing in big disco Sky Garden. Old Paddy's is completely dead.
[/QUOTE]Not to mention that Balinese girls are not that pretty and seem to go downhill very rapidly, once they are older than 18. Too much sun? Must be one of the worst places for mongering in Asia.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1630871]Not to mention that Balinese girls are not that pretty and seem to go downhill very rapidly, once they are older than 18. Too much sun? Must be one of the worst places for mongering in Asia.[/QUOTE]To Syzygies.
Most pro in Bali are not Balinese most are from Java alot of the pro in SkyGarden are from Jarkata and Badung ask more than Jarkata price most want 1. 5 mil and up for long time, for mongering Jarkata got all you need Bali is for tourist.
Fast eddie 48.
[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1630926]To Syzygies.
Most pro in Bali are not Balinese most are from Java alot of the pro in SkyGarden are from Jarkata and Badung ask more than Jarkata price most want 1. 5 mil and up for long time, for mongering Jarkata got all you need Bali is for tourist.
Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]What happened to your English? Must be you typed that very fast. LOL. Interesting spelling of Jakarta.
[QUOTE=Peribe;1630656]Just back from Bali, Kuta mainly. Not a destination for our hobby. There are sex to be had, but, not cheap, easy to find or very satisfying. No FL in Kuta, no bar pick-up, nothing in big disco Sky Garden. Old Paddy's is completely dead.
Some, hard to find, "casas" in the Sanur area, best to hire a taxi driver.
My recommendation is Angels Salon in Kuta. Ask taxi-driver. 1 hour 700 k in house. 3 hour outcall 1800 k.[/QUOTE]1 hour 700 K? Are you mad? And there most definitely are FL in the discos in front of the beach. Those are the ones who ask 700 K to 1 mil+. I know this is the Thailand thread, but this is my report from 3 years back in Bali:
It was my understanding from being in the X houses that 200,000 was for 1 hour no matter what. Even after my hour was up I voluntarily decided to leave and had to go hunt the papasan down to give him the money. Did you give the full payment after only a 10 minute session or did you prorate it? Tell me you didn't pay upfront and get ripped off.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?962-Bali&p=1201008&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1201008.
We are looking for a lead English-speaking open minded hostess in Chiang Mai to replace the lazy one we got. Salary 30,000-60,000.
[URL]http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/fbh/4707756285.html[/URL]
Referral fee paid for anyone recommended who shows up and works a month. Any ideas?
[QUOTE=TonyChiangMai;1630959]We are looking for a lead English-speaking open minded hostess in Chiang Mai to replace the lazy one we got. Salary 30,000-60,000.
[URL]http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/fbh/4707756285.html[/URL]
Referral fee paid for anyone recommended who shows up and works a month. Any ideas?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]compensation: Base Salary 1000 + Drinks Commission 10,000 Customer Assigments 20-40,000[/QUOTE]
Base salary THB 1,000 + drinks + ...
Fantastic opening! English speaking, open minded, Chiang Mai. You will have PLENTY of options to select from.
Dumbos.
Giotto.
[QUOTE=TonyChiangMai;1630959]We are looking for a lead English-speaking open minded hostess in Chiang Mai to replace the lazy one we got. Salary 30,000-60,000.
[URL]http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/fbh/4707756285.html[/URL]
Referral fee paid for anyone recommended who shows up and works a month. Any ideas?[/QUOTE]Generous salary for a hostess but what is the duty description for this position?
[QUOTE=TonyChiangMai;1630959]We are looking for a lead English-speaking open minded hostess in Chiang Mai to replace the lazy one we got. Salary 30,000-60,000.
[URL]http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/fbh/4707756285.html[/URL]
Referral fee paid for anyone recommended who shows up and works a month. Any ideas?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Giotto;1631122]Base salary THB 1,000 + drinks + ...
Fantastic opening! English speaking, open minded, Chiang Mai. You will have PLENTY of options to select from.
Dumbos.
Giotto.[/QUOTE]Why don't you make her pay you to be able to work for such a great company?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1630871] Quote Originally Posted by Peribe
Just back from Bali, Kuta mainly. Not a destination for our hobby. There are sex to be had, but, not cheap, easy to find or very satisfying. No FL in Kuta, no bar pick-up, nothing in big disco Sky Garden. Old Paddy's is completely dead.
Not to mention that Balinese girls are not that pretty and seem to go downhill very rapidly, once they are older than 18. Too much sun? Must be one of the worst places for mongering in Asia.[/QUOTE]Yes, absolutely, they are not that pretty. Also, the girls are sadly undernourished and very shy. Just pass on Bali.
The first two pix, the woman in the batik and without it, are of a lady who is almost 40, BTW.
I assume that Peribe went to Skye Garden before 11 pm, etc. I am hoping that Syzygie's reply was sarcastic. TTG.
Going to thailand starting Dec. 1st to 30th. I realize it is the "High Season" but what sort of price hikes can I expect? A 50% increase in everything? Will SG charge me significantly more due to the season or just a bit? If a private hostel goes from 8 $ to 12 $ I don't find that very intimidating.
Thanks for your replies.
[QUOTE=TonyChiangMai;1630959]We are looking for a lead English-speaking open minded hostess in Chiang Mai to replace the lazy one we got. Salary 30,000-60,000.
[URL]http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/fbh/4707756285.html[/URL]
Referral fee paid for anyone recommended who shows up and works a month. Any ideas?[/QUOTE]I always wondered how the mamasans (assuming this job offer is for a mamasan) are paid.
So let's calculate (basis is 25 working days per month):
* basic wages: 1000 baht.
* drinks commission: 10000 baht (assuming this is the commission she gets on her ladydrinks, say 50 baht / ladydrink, it means 200 LD per month or 8 drinks per day).
* Customer Assigments: 40,000 baht (I assume this is the mamasan's 'cut' of the barfine, say 150 baht per barfine or a little over 10 barfines per night).
If it was a Bangkok or Pattaya position, I'd say it is not impossible to make that kind of money. But in Chiang Mai?
If the job offer is for a bargirl, the "customer assignment" must mean the fees she can negotiate with her farang. At 1500 baht for ST that is still 1 or 2 "assignments" per night, each and every day and we all know that is unlikely (or all the bars would be empty before closing time).
Anyhow, it is a bit disingenuous to present this all as "salary" the bar "offers" her. Actually the bar only pays her 1000 baht per month, which is enough to buy one serving of street food.
[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1631219]Yes, absolutely, they are not that pretty. Also, the girls are sadly undernourished and very shy. Just pass on Bali.
The first two pix, the woman in the batik and without it, are of a lady who is almost 40, BTW.
I assume that Peribe went to Skye Garden before 11 pm, etc. I am hoping that Syzygie's reply was sarcastic. TTG.[/QUOTE]No no, I am very rarely sarcastic or ironic. I just write pretty straight stuff and have little imagination. I have not mongered in Bali and understand that Javanese girls are probably far superior looking to Balinese. When I was in Bali, a long time ago, I thought that older normal Balinese girls were not that attractive, well below Thai standards. So I did not get the hots for any Balinese girls. Face shape was probably wrong for my taste. Although Bali was a very cheap holiday destination, nothing made me think I would return, and that was before the various adverse news about Bali bombings, drug plants, etc. And if you get sick or have accident, you don't want to go to a Denpasar hospital, right? I heard it wasn't a very good standard.
Normally I try not to focus on the negative, but Bali has nothing to interest me. I would certainly rather go to other parts of Indonesia. As I am not that enthused by Chinese looks, for the most part, Indonesia is likely to suit me better, or maybe not. I did once meet a very pretty Indonesian/Chinese girl (perhaps mixed girl) with a great body.
On a tangent now:
I tend to think of chinese girls as mostly having round or shapeless faces, slit-like eyes, straight bodies, poor waist to thigh ratios. White skin is of no importance. This may be a misconception. The very top girls may be better. Perhaps Guangzhou and Hong Khong were not the best places in China. Singapore girls looked better though. If I have to work in China, obviously I will try Macau. I attach a pic of typical Chinese looks and note that they don't look attractive to me. Completely wrong face shapes. I like narrow faces. I make exception for Chinese actress Shu Qi who is fairly cute for me, despite fairly narrow eyes.
Its probable that I am suited to real natural Thai looks of the narrow faced, non broad-nosed variety, and skin shade doesn't matter that much, small waist, skinny thighs with good gap and firm asses. Tit size not important. I like to see this type of girl dancing naked in Crazy House. Its a sickness. LOL
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1631337]No no, ..*snip* Face shape was probably wrong for my taste. *snip* As I am not that enthused by Chinese looks, for the most part, Indonesia is likely to suit me better, or maybe not. I did once meet a very pretty Indonesian/Chinese girl (perhaps mixed girl) with a great body.
On a tangent now: I tend to think of chinese girls as mostly having round or shapeless faces, slit-like eyes, straight bodies, poor waist to thigh ratios. White skin is of no importance. This may be a misconception. The very top girls may be better. Perhaps Guangzhou and Hong Khong were not the best places in China. Singapore girls looked better though. If I have to work in China, obviously I will try Macau. I attach a pic of typical Chinese looks and note that they don't look attractive to me. Completely wrong face shapes. I like narrow faces. I make exception for Chinese actress Shu Qi who is fairly cute for me, despite fairly narrow eyes. Its probable that I am suited to real natural Thai looks of the narrow faced, non broad-nosed variety, and skin shade doesn't matter that much, small waist, skinny thighs with good gap and firm asses. Tit size not important. [/QUOTE]Hi Syzgygies. I tried to PM you -- which is how most of my member-to-member communication takes place -- but you're set up not to take PMs.
With all due respect, I think trying to characterize 1. 5 (1. 6?) billion Chinese and 250 million Indonesians is at best a complete crock and at worst racism that we ought not to be publishing here, in any form. It makes me really uncomfortable and I expect (hope?) I'm not alone. We can probably live without an explanation of what type of woman appeals to you, as that is of zero interest to anyone else. TTG.
[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1631653]Hi Syzgygies. I tried to PM you -- which is how most of my member-to-member communication takes place -- but you're set up not to take PMs.
With all due respect, I think trying to characterize 1. 5 (1. 6?) billion Chinese and 250 million Indonesians is at best a complete crock and at worst racism that we ought not to be publishing here, in any form. It makes me really uncomfortable and I expect (hope?) I'm not alone. We can probably live without an explanation of what type of woman appeals to you, as that is of zero interest to anyone else. TTG.[/QUOTE]With all due respect.... there isn't a shred of racism in Syzgygies' post. The man is simply explaining his preferences and yes, maybe he's making a few generalizations but that has nothing to do with racism.
And what type of woman appeals to him is definitely of interest to me.
PS: Jackson, the forum software is capitalizing the word 'he' all the time. Can you get rid of that?
[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1631653]Hi Syzgygies. I tried to PM you -- which is how most of my member-to-member communication takes place -- but you're set up not to take PMs.
With all due respect, I think trying to characterize 1. 5 (1. 6?) billion Chinese and 250 million Indonesians is at best a complete crock and at worst racism that we ought not to be publishing here, in any form. It makes me really uncomfortable and I expect (hope?) I'm not alone. We can probably live without an explanation of what type of woman appeals to you, as that is of zero interest to anyone else. TTG.[/QUOTE]Racism? Where? Syn is just expressing his preferences. Where's the problem with that? Sorry, we are interested in what appeals to us here. It is an interesting discussion.
Uncomfortable with another person's tastes? What on earth for?
You seem to enjoy LOS and FKK land equally?
I would like your opinion. I have been going to Germany for the last 10 yrs and know the scene in the FKKS and SCs fairly well, although unlike you I prefer the SCs because I have developed close friendships with a few Dutch punters. If you have the time would you do a comparison of the 2 destinations? Pluses and minuses?
One thing is I do not drink very much and do not like the bar scene and hate being around drunks.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1631653]
With all due respect, I think trying to characterize 1. 5 (1. 6?) billion Chinese and 250 million Indonesians is at best a complete crock and at worst racism that we ought not to be publishing here, in any form. It makes me really uncomfortable and I expect (hope?) I'm not alone. We can probably live without an explanation of what type of woman appeals to you, as that is of zero interest to anyone else. TTG.[/QUOTE]TTG,
I don't think you understand racism. Its when you discriminate against someone purely because of their race, skin tone, etc. , in hiring them from a job, being willing to talk to them, etc. I relate to individual people based on how they are, not by their race, colour, etc. I like girls of both light and dark skin, and don't care where they come from, if they are pretty. If a guy gets rejected for a job interview because his name is "Mogadishu" or "Bathaswamy" or "Kim Jong Eung", that might be racism.
Don't worry. I have fucked plenty of Thai Chinese types.
Even though Chinese looks are often not my preference, I had a close female friend previously who was Chinese (racially) and I had the hots for her. We used to attend football matches together often. There was no discrimination. She was a potential girl friend. We even considered sharing a house together. I have no problem working with Chinese people, and have some good buddies of Chinese race. I also have a close Japanese buddy. I like some Japanese girls. I was mesmerised by the Japanese girls in the Bond movie "You only Live Twice" when very young.
I relate very well to some Indians in my work place and black guys at mongering destinations. If I should meet any guy with really bad body odours, whether Farang, black, whatever race, I don't care, I will try to be not close. This is not racism either. Just it irritates my sensitive nose, and makes the experience non pleasurable.
Okay Maybe generalisation is not useful to you. However some of us try to analyse what types of looks and attitudes we particularly like, and where we best will be likely to find them. I am always willing to try something that maybe a good source of hot girls. I don't even care if they speak my Languages. Had a fantastic time with a Cuban girl once who only had Spanish (and I did not).
Should I apologise if a higher percentage of Thais appeal to me, than for Chinese girls? Both races have beautiful and ugly girls. I also have the advantage of speaking Thai but not any Chinese dialect.
[QUOTE=Chukar;1631800]You seem to enjoy LOS and FKK land equally?
I would like your opinion. I have been going to Germany for the last 10 yrs and know the scene in the FKKS and SCs fairly well, although unlike you I prefer the SCs because I have developed close friendships with a few Dutch punters. If you have the time would you do a comparison of the 2 destinations? Pluses and minuses?
One thing is I do not drink very much and do not like the bar scene and hate being around drunks.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]I will try to be brief. Not sure how to compare very different scenes.
If you like a quick 30 min experience, Thailand will not be that beneficial to you as price won't be that much lower. However for what you spend in Germany for 30 minutes, you will get 3 to 4 times the duration in Thailand. E. g. A 2 hour session in an Oily Massage Place will cost you about 60 euros. Taking a girl to your room for the whole night, might cost 120 Euros or so. If you know a girl well, you might even take her away for several days holiday.
Where in Germany you go to one venue, and have multiple experiences, chatting to buddies in between, the norm in Thailand will be to do just one girl and maybe have no buddies to chat to. Perhaps several buddies might attend a bar together. Of course is quite allowed to do several different girls in one day from same place or from different places (more normal). Soapy Massage places have a lounge to relax between sessions if you want to do more than one girl consecutively. I have done like this years ago.
Obviously the looks of Thai girls are different to east Europeans. Not many tall Thai girls. Thai working girls are often shy and not keen to be seen naked in great detail. Like the lights low at times. Thais are generally very fastidious about cleanliness.
Thai working girls have sometimes good, often weak, sometimes almost zero English. As I speak Thai this has no impact on me. I understand Thai better than bad English.
I attend bars mostly without drinking alcohol. Some bars have girls topless dancing and a small number have nude dancing. Attending bars early in the evening, you don't really meet many drunks. Late at night there are far more drunks around, including drunk bargirls, which is not at all pleasant.
I don't like real massage, but Thailand is big on that if you go for it. There are real massage shops, and there are fake massage shops, really there for the purpose of sex. I do like body slide sexy "massage" like can be had at Dr. BJ Nuru shop for example.
In Thailand, there is no extra charge for CIM, but many girls don't do it. Full sex in a massage place costs generally 1500 Baht (less than 40 Euros) on top of Massage price of 600 to 800 Baht. Many shops now have all inclusive combined price. PSE shops are where anal sex can normally be had. Many shops this is no extra charge, but starting to attract extra charges in Bangkok. Understand that in an Oily Massage shop, you will not have much time to choose a girl from line up or pictures, and no opportunity to chat to her first to decide if you like her. She may not have good English.
I don't know everything about Thailand, as I have certain preferences and biases.
[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1631653]Hi Syzgygies. I tried to PM you -- which is how most of my member-to-member communication takes place -- but you're set up not to take PMs.
With all due respect, I think trying to characterize 1. 5 (1. 6?) billion Chinese and 250 million Indonesians is at best a complete crock and at worst racism that we ought not to be publishing here, in any form. It makes me really uncomfortable and I expect (hope?) I'm not alone. We can probably live without an explanation of what type of woman appeals to you, as that is of zero interest to anyone else. TTG.[/QUOTE]This PC bullshit gives me the shits, we are all entitled to be bigots.
I am a USA citizen, with USA Passport, living in Colombia with Colombian Residency and headed to Thailand in December. I have been in and out of Thailand as a tourist several times over the last 35 years. Never needed any advanced visa however never stayed more than a week or two at a time.
I have a month planned in Koh Sumi and after that I am not sure what I want to do. I may want to stay another week or so in Thailand. When I arrive at BKK, will they stamp me in for more than 30 days if I ask?
Since my travel planes are a little loose, I only have a one way ticket. Will they ask for a copy of my onward ticket / itinerary.
Thanks for the help.
[QUOTE=ElVagabundo;1632478]
I have a month planned in Koh Sumi and after that I am not sure what I want to do. I may want to stay another week or so in Thailand. When I arrive at BKK, will they stamp me in for more than 30 days if I ask?
[/QUOTE]I don't think so. If you want to stay more than 4 weeks, you probably need to make a visit to official places to apply for a visa. Otherwise fine for each day of overstay is fairly costly, I forget now, but may be more than 1000 Baht per day.
P.S. I would not stay Koh Samui for a whole month, but your choice. There are more beautiful Islands, and also better places for mongering. Koh Samui is not exciting me any more. Not high on my list of interesting places. Beaches in Koh Samui start to get beautiful late January. Not the same in the wet season. Andaman side is beautiful earlier, like from December or earlier.
[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1632201]This PC bullshit gives me the shits, we are all entitled to be bigots.[/QUOTE]Of course, and there are plenty of bigots out there.
But if you want people to respect your opinions and think you are something other than a red-neck jerk, then it is probably wise to moderate your views on this forum. I'm not sure what exactly is PC about making generalisations about racial qualities? After all, we could generalise about Aussies, but I'm sure your knuckles rarely drag along the ground. Anyway, put another shrimp on the barby and chill.
[QUOTE=ElVagabundo;1632478]I have a month planned in Koh Sumi and after that I am not sure what I want to do. I may want to stay another week or so in Thailand. When I arrive at BKK, will they stamp me in for more than 30 days if I ask?
Since my travel planes are a little loose, I only have a one way ticket. Will they ask for a copy of my onward ticket / itinerary. [/QUOTE]You probably won't even be able to board your plane with a one way ticket unless you are going to somewhere where you have a long stay / work permit. Same with not having a visa when you're going to a country that requires one, which surprising happens a lot. This is because if you get rejected on arrival at immigration then the airlines have to fly you back at their cost. Hence they check your ticket / visa and won't allow you on if the paperwork isn't correct. You can just buy a cheap onwards ticket, but you will run into the same problem when you leave for your next country.
Not sure I'd spend a month at Koh Samui, but each to his own. If you're on a long holiday and sitting on a beach doing nothing is your thing then it's probably a good a place as any. I haven't been there for over 20 years so I'm not sure of the scene there. If you're going overland to get there you could stop off at Cha Am or Hua Hin, the beaches are nice and the nightlife is good.
[QUOTE=ElVagabundo;1632478]When I arrive at BKK, will they stamp me in for more than 30 days if I ask?
[/QUOTE]No, they won't. Though for asking they might ask you to come with them to a private interrogation room.
If you want to extend after entering the country, you can apply at any immigration office in Thailand before your 30 days are up. This would be good for another 30 days.
[QUOTE=ElVagabundo;1632478]Since my travel planes are a little loose, I only have a one way ticket. Will they ask for a copy of my onward ticket / itinerary.[/QUOTE]See the following:
[URL]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/754481-boarding-to-thailand-without-return-ticket/[/URL]
[QUOTE=ElVagabundo;1632478]I am a USA citizen, with USA Passport, living in Colombia with Colombian Residency and headed to Thailand in December. I have been in and out of Thailand as a tourist several times over the last 35 years. Never needed any advanced visa however never stayed more than a week or two at a time.
I have a month planned in Koh Sumi and after that I am not sure what I want to do. I may want to stay another week or so in Thailand. When I arrive at BKK, will they stamp me in for more than 30 days if I ask?
Since my travel planes are a little loose, I only have a one way ticket. Will they ask for a copy of my onward ticket / itinerary.
Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]If you have a US passport, they will grant you 30 days. I also have a US passport and they have never ask me to see return ticket -ever. I also travel on business with out knowing my return date and have traveled with one way ticket with no issues. I would just print and itinerary (HOLD) for a return ticket on Expedia and just get keep it if they asked, they will not know if it actually paid for. As far as more than 30 or more days on I arrival, I don't know. Sorry.
Question, if you live in Colombia, why would you come to Thailand to monger as Colombia have some of the best girls in the world? I lived in Bogota 15 months and had the time of my life. Just saying. Good Luck.
[QUOTE=ElVagabundo;1632478]I am a USA citizen, with USA Passport, living in Colombia with Colombian Residency and headed to Thailand in December. I have been in and out of Thailand as a tourist several times over the last 35 years. Never needed any advanced visa however never stayed more than a week or two at a time.
I have a month planned in Koh Sumi and after that I am not sure what I want to do. I may want to stay another week or so in Thailand. When I arrive at BKK, will they stamp me in for more than 30 days if I ask?.................[/QUOTE]One way tickets are frowned upon. Better if you had an open jaw ticket. As for visa you get 30 days. If you want to extend it you have to go the Thai Immigration office and get it extended for another 60 days by paying 1900 Baht. No more visa runs. The new visa rules are very strict, so try and avoid overstaying.
[QUOTE=ElVagabundo;1632478]I am a USA citizen, with USA Passport, living in Colombia with Colombian Residency and headed to Thailand in December. I have been in and out of Thailand as a tourist several times over the last 35 years. Never needed any advanced visa however never stayed more than a week or two at a time.
I have a month planned in Koh Sumi and after that I am not sure what I want to do. I may want to stay another week or so in Thailand. When I arrive at BKK, will they stamp me in for more than 30 days if I ask?
Since my travel planes are a little loose, I only have a one way ticket. Will they ask for a copy of my onward ticket / itinerary.
Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]What I write here applies to German nationals and may or may not apply to US citizens.
You should get in touch with a Thai consulate in the US and find out the exact regulations.
Germans and other EU citizens may visit Thailand for 30 days as tourists without a visa. Being a tourist implies, that they must have an assured means to leave LOS, such as an round trip ticket, may not enter employment etc.
If they wish to travel on a one way ticket, they MUST get a visa at a local consulate. The visa lets you stay 90 days and is valid for 1,2 or 3 entries.
I normally buy a ticket from FRA to BKK and back from HKG to FRA.
From BKK to HKG, I usually take a roundabout route with several stops in SEA and on different airlines, deciding on very short notice, depending on my whim.
For the reasons above, I have always had a visa, but last time (this January) I thought to save the 90 EUR an traveled without one.
Emirates did not care, but Thai immigration wanted to see the e-Ticket confirmation, before they believed me that I was going to leave LOS.
Good luck.
DS.
If you get a visa from the Thai consulate before your trip then you will get 60 days. If you wait for visa on arrival then you will only get 30 days. They will not ask for your ticket. You only have to state your planned exit date if asked.
[QUOTE=ElVagabundo;1632478]I am a USA citizen, with USA Passport, living in Colombia with Colombian Residency and headed to Thailand in December. I have been in and out of Thailand as a tourist several times over the last 35 years. Never needed any advanced visa however never stayed more than a week or two at a time.
I have a month planned in Koh Sumi and after that I am not sure what I want to do. I may want to stay another week or so in Thailand. When I arrive at BKK, will they stamp me in for more than 30 days if I ask?
Since my travel planes are a little loose, I only have a one way ticket. Will they ask for a copy of my onward ticket / itinerary.
Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]You can get your stamp on arrival for a month. After your trip to the island, you have two choices to stay longer. Go to an immigration office to get an extension for 1900 baht or pay a fine for overstay (500 baht per day = 3500).
Or you can do what I did and get a visa at a Thai consulate before you come here. That gives you 60 days up front with the option to extend for another 30 days. Its cheaper to get the visa prior to coming (and no hassles of getting the extension to add another week).
[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1633139]You can get your stamp on arrival for a month. After your trip to the island, you have two choices to stay longer. Go to an immigration office to get an extension for 1900 baht or pay a fine for overstay (500 baht per day = 3500).
Or you can do what I did and get a visa at a Thai consulate before you come here. That gives you 60 days up front with the option to extend for another 30 days. Its cheaper to get the visa prior to coming (and no hassles of getting the extension to add another week).[/QUOTE]Getting a 60 days is your best bet without being hassled? Not sure about you coming from Columbia and the Airline you are using but on Cathay and Eva Air the last few times I was questioned by the agent as to my Visa stay and my One way ticket? I was cleared after I provided proof that I had a 1 year extension retirement. Get the 60 day, you will not get a extension at the airport over 30 days.
The Chicago Thai Consulate offers a 90 day, multi entry visa for $200 USD. Can that visa be extended while in Thailand? Or is 90 days the maximum allowed stay per year? (The Thai Consulate website is unclear on this.) Is it better to arrive and get the 30 days allowed for a US passport then extend it for 60 days at 1900 baht /$58 USD. Can that visa be extended? I'm planning on bouncing around SE Asia for 5-6 months.
On the question of return or exit airfare tickets, will the airlines or immigration in Cambodia, Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam, or the Philippines want to see a return / exit ticket? Pardon the questions, but this will be my first trip to SE Asia. Thanks in advance.
Thank you everybody for the great information about my visa questions. Now I know how what to do. As to the question of why would I leave Colombia to vacation in Thailand. Why would I spend a month on Koi Sumi? I am taking a break from my regular routine to participate in a Detox / Fasting / Yoga and meditation spa. 4 weeks of supervised fasting and detoxing. I have reached an age where I need to think about my physical and mental health and need to loose at least 15 kilos. Besides, it has been a good year and I can finally afford to do something like this.
[QUOTE=JavaMan;1633178]The Chicago Thai Consulate offers a 90 day, multi entry visa for $200 USD. Can that visa be extended while in Thailand? Or is 90 days the maximum allowed stay per year? (The Thai Consulate website is unclear on this.) Is it better to arrive and get the 30 days allowed for a US passport then extend it for 60 days at 1900 baht /$58 USD. Can that visa be extended? I'm planning on bouncing around SE Asia for 5-6 months.
On the question of return or exit airfare tickets, will the airlines or immigration in Cambodia, Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam, or the Philippines want to see a return / exit ticket? Pardon the questions, but this will be my first trip to SE Asia. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]The extension is only good for up to 30 days, not 60 days.
How many times do you plan on entering Thailand & for how long each visit?
You might consider obtaining a double or triple entry tourist visa somewhere. This will get you 60 days per entry & each entry can be extended for 30 days.
In total a triple entry tourist visa, with extensions, could get you almost 270 days in Thailand.
As for exit tickets, see:
[URL]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/754481-boarding-to-thailand-without-return-ticket/[/URL]
[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1633139]You can get your stamp on arrival for a month. After your trip to the island, you have two choices to stay longer. Go to an immigration office to get an extension for 1900 baht or pay a fine for overstay (500 baht per day = 3500).
[/QUOTE]Personally, if I was already in Bangkok after the 30, days, and wanted to stay another week, I would probably just do nothing and pay the 3500 Baht fine at the airport. It takes so much extra time to do things the correct way. I have experienced wasting large amounts of time going to the Immigration office. I have experienced paying the fine at the airport for a few days over stay. I have applied for a 60 days VISA before coming to Thailand.
Paying the fine was the easiest course for me (perhaps not cheapest), obviously to be used for fairly limited overstay though. It was maybe about a 5+ week stay in my case, in total.
[QUOTE=JavaMan;1633178] I'm planning on bouncing around SE Asia for 5-6 months.
[/QUOTE]If you spend less than 30 days in Thailand at a time, and you are a suitable nationality, you don't need VISAs. There is a crackdown on those that leave Thailand, cross the border and immediately return though after justa day or less to beat the 30 days limit. Real tourism behaviour in various countries is okay I can't speak to VISA requirements of other countries.
[QUOTE=Allover;1628532]I just hope these two guys are really the ones that did it. I wouldn't put it past local law enforcement to frame these guys.[/QUOTE]Yeh, they didn't do it and were indeed framed. Its coming out now that people in high places got the evidence rigged. The whole Police Force looks bad as they don't investigate crimes probably and happy to fit someone up for it, where people with money and influence can hush things up.
The Thai Police force needs to start investigating tourist and foreigner murders properly but admit it if they can't solve crimes. Their reputation is rock bottom right now.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1633266]Personally, if I was already in Bangkok after the 30, days, and wanted to stay another week, I would probably just do nothing and pay the 3500 Baht fine at the airport. It takes so much extra time to do things the correct way. I have experienced wasting large amounts of time going to the Immigration office. I have experienced paying the fine at the airport for a few days over stay. I have applied for a 60 days VISA before coming to Thailand.
Paying the fine was the easiest course for me (perhaps not cheapest), obviously to be used for fairly limited overstay though. It was maybe about a 5+ week stay in my case, in total.[/QUOTE]This might have been the case in the past and can't speak for Bangkok, but here in Pattaya they seem to be coming up with all kinds of be. S. Inspection stuff. Certainly you do not want to be surprise?
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornthip_Rojanasunand[/URL]
There is a strong rumour that Dr. Phornthip, who was as recently as 1 month re-instated back to head of Thai Forensic medicine (after being moved by Yingluck administration), has very recently indeed resigned her position as untenable, not being able to work with the Thai Police. Of course this resignation information is not available in the news that I can see, which is under heavy control. One wonders if this has a strong relevance to a recent major case.
There are other disturbing rumours around, regarding more than one case of Farangs killed in Thailand.
Prayuth should be admitting the Police Force and related authorities are totally corrupt and doing something about it. If he aligns himself with the Thai Police, he would be making a big mistake.
[URL]http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/terrified-pal-murdered-brit-pair-4303495[/URL]
Don't dismiss this guy as an idiot. Hear HE filmed stuff too. British Police know the whole story. It is known that certain locals saw the bodies before police arrived. They know a lot too, about events before the killing as well.
Info spreads on chats and video sharing etc. Its not possible to shut everything down in the modern day.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1633218]The extension is only good for up to 30 days, not 60 days.
How many times do you plan on entering Thailand & for how long each visit?
You might consider obtaining a double or triple entry tourist visa somewhere. This will get you 60 days per entry & each entry can be extended for 30 days.
In total a triple entry tourist visa, with extensions, could get you almost 270 days in Thailand.
As for exit tickets, see:
[URL]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/754481-boarding-to-thailand-without-return-ticket/[/URL][/QUOTE]Pink Pearl has it correct.
If you did have a 'double' entry visa, you might not need an extension because you get 60 days on the 1st entry. After that, if you want to stay over 60 days, go get the 30 day ext (costs 1900 baht/$60 extra). It all depends on how long you want to stay in Thailand on that entry.
After your 1st entry, you can go to your next locations. When you come back to Thailand, you get another 60 days (also extendable for 30 days).
I got my visa in Chicago. The single entry is $40 (no questions asked) and the double entry is $80.
Be prepared to explain why you need a double entry visa or multiple entry visa as a tourist. There is a place at the bottom of the form for this.
I would tell them I plan to visit Bangkok first. Then go to other cities (list a few cities). I also want to spend some time playing golf and I want to go to the islands.
Since you only plan on staying 5-6 months in Asia, your Thai visa needs depends on how long you want to spend in Thailand.
If you have a single entry, you can get up to 90 days. ($40 visa + $60 extension).
Then you can go someplace else. Lets say you go for 1-2 months. Now you are up to 4-5 months in Asia. When you come back to Thailand, you can get 30 days on arrival (free). That's 5-6 months total.
If you think you want more than 30 days on your return to Thailand, then get the double entry. ($80 visa + $60 for one ext). That will carry you for 6 months (includes your other destination / s).
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1633367]This might have been the case in the past and can't speak for Bangkok, but here in Pattaya they seem to be coming up with all kinds of be. S. Inspection stuff. Certainly you do not want to be surprise?[/QUOTE]They have been changing the rules. Also, I checked with a few travel places about the quick turn around visa run to Cambodia. I was told you can only do that run 2 x.
Watch out with these multiple entry visa! Every entry allows you 60 days in country and can be extended for 30 days.
But if you leave the country before the expiration of that period, the remaning days are lost. You cannot come back in the country on those remaining days and you will have to use another "entry". Therefore: plan wisely how you travel so you make the most of your limited number of entries.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1633706]Watch out with these multiple entry visa! Every entry allows you 60 days in country and can be extended for 30 days. But if you leave the country before the expiration of that period, the remaning days are lost. You cannot come back in the country on those remaining days and you will have to use another "entry". Therefore: plan wisely how you travel so you make the most of your limited number of entries.[/QUOTE]Really?! Was not aware of that. That's why I was considering the 90 multi entry visa.
[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1633549]Since you only plan on staying 5-6 months in Asia, your Thai visa needs depends on how long you want to spend in Thailand. If you have a single entry, you can get up to 90 days. ($40 visa + $60 extension).
Then you can go someplace else. Lets say you go for 1-2 months. Now you are up to 4-5 months in Asia. When you come back to Thailand, you can get 30 days on arrival (free). That's 5-6 months total.
If you think you want more than 30 days on your return to Thailand, then get the double entry. ($80 visa + $60 for one ext). That will carry you for 6 months (includes your other destination / s).[/QUOTE]Thank you for your advice, this is what I intend to do. I'd like to follow Natty Bumpo's itinerary. :D
[QUOTE=JavaMan;1634394]Really?! Was not aware of that. That's why I was considering the 90 multi entry visa.
[/QUOTE]Just make sure you know the rules for the VISA, and have sufficient entries.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1633706]Watch out with these multiple entry visa! Every entry allows you 60 days in country and can be extended for 30 days.
But if you leave the country before the expiration of that period, the remaning days are lost. You cannot come back in the country on those remaining days and you will have to use another "entry". Therefore: plan wisely how you travel so you make the most of your limited number of entries.[/QUOTE]I currently have a double entry visa. I went to get my visa extension 2 days ago. Since I was at the immigration office already, I took time to ask about the multiple entry visas (at the 'long stay' desk where they handle multiple entry). The woman told me if you get a multiple entry visa, it's good for 90 days, then you have to leave Thailand and you can come back later. How long is it valid for? It can be used for 1 year. I thought ok great! To be clear, I asked if I would need to get a 30 day extension after 60 days like I just did today with my current double entry visa (that gets me a whole 90 days). She said no, its good for 90 days. But I did have to ask a few times to clarify this information.
My understanding, based on that conversation, is that a multiple entry visa is valid for 1 year and each entry is good for 90 days. If I could get a multiple entry and use it as she explained, that will save time and money in the future (for long visits up to a year). Thus eliminating all the extensions I currently have to get.
Java Man, when you go to get your visa, can you ask that question to the staff in Chicago? I would like to know if they confirm this same information.
(When I got my visa, the folks I talked with at the Thai consulate in the states spoke very good English and they seemed to understand clearly. I did not get that same feeling here when I asked. I had to reiterate my questions a few times).
Thanks Pipe.
[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1634692]Java Man, when you go to get your visa, can you ask that question to the staff in Chicago? I would like to know if they confirm this same information.
(When I got my visa, the folks I talked with at the Thai consulate in the states spoke very good English and they seemed to understand clearly. I did not get that same feeling here when I asked. I had to reiterate my questions a few times).Thanks Pipe.[/QUOTE]I'll ask. I plan on going this week.
[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1634692]I currently have a double entry visa. I went to get my visa extension 2 days ago. Since I was at the immigration office already, I took time to ask about the multiple entry visas (at the 'long stay' desk where they handle multiple entry). The woman told me if you get a multiple entry visa, it's good for 90 days, then you have to leave Thailand and you can come back later. How long is it valid for? It can be used for 1 year. I thought ok great! To be clear, I asked if I would need to get a 30 day extension after 60 days like I just did today with my current double entry visa (that gets me a whole 90 days). She said no, its good for 90 days. But I did have to ask a few times to clarify this information.
My understanding, based on that conversation, is that a multiple entry visa is valid for 1 year and each entry is good for 90 days. If I could get a multiple entry and use it as she explained, that will save time and money in the future (for long visits up to a year). Thus eliminating all the extensions I currently have to get.
Java Man, when you go to get your visa, can you ask that question to the staff in Chicago? I would like to know if they confirm this same information.
(When I got my visa, the folks I talked with at the Thai consulate in the states spoke very good English and they seemed to understand clearly. I did not get that same feeling here when I asked. I had to reiterate my questions a few times).
Thanks Pipe.[/QUOTE]Just curious, why is an entry via needed. I won't need one coming from USA to LOS. Why is a multi entry needed.
[QUOTE=JavaMan;1634842]I'll ask. I plan on going this week.[/QUOTE]Thanks.
When you go, it has to be in the morning 9 am - 1200 noon. Pick up the next day in the afternoon. Also plenty of parking in that area. Do a drive by and you might get lucky and find parking right in front on Rush. Or check just right around the corner on Superior. ;)
[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1634692]I currently have a double entry visa. I went to get my visa extension 2 days ago. Since I was at the immigration office already, I took time to ask about the multiple entry visas (at the 'long stay' desk where they handle multiple entry). The woman told me if you get a multiple entry visa, it's good for 90 days, then you have to leave Thailand and you can come back later. How long is it valid for? It can be used for 1 year. I thought ok great! To be clear, I asked if I would need to get a 30 day extension after 60 days like I just did today with my current double entry visa (that gets me a whole 90 days). She said no, its good for 90 days. But I did have to ask a few times to clarify this information.[/QUOTE]The Chicago Thai consulate stated the same: mutli entry 90 day visa is good for a year. After 90 days, leave Thailand and return later for anther 90 days. Fee is $200 USD. It's not a tourist visa, but a non-immigrant "O-A" (Long Stay) visa, and requires additional information regarding employment / occupation, bank / income statement. The retirement visa, also $200 USD, requires a notarized medical certificate as well.
As Wolvenvacht stated, should you leave prior to the 90 days, the clock doesn't stop and the remaining days are lost. I'll get the 60 day double entry Tourist visa, stay the 60 days, then bounce around SE Asia for 30+ days, then return to Thailand for another 60 days.
RumBuddy: Upon arrival in Thailand with US passport, 30 day stay is given. That's OK, if you're staying 30 days or less and not going to any other country in SE Asia.
I couldn't find it any where. What is the best way to exchange money? US $ to Bhat.
[QUOTE=JavaMan;1635225]The Chicago Thai consulate stated the same: mutli entry 90 day visa is good for a year. After 90 days, leave Thailand and return later for anther 90 days..... I'll get the 60 day double entry Tourist visa, stay the 60 days, then bounce around SE Asia for 30+ days, then return to Thailand for another 60 days.
[/QUOTE]I figured you would go with the double. ;) I will keep a some of them warm for you. Safe Travels.
[QUOTE=RumBuddy;1635407]I couldn't find it any where. What is the best way to exchange money? US $ to Bhat.[/QUOTE]There are literally thousands of currency exchanges, bank branches, and ATMs all over the tourist areas. The exchange rates are posted on a board, and they do vary a little bit from one vendor to the next, but they're all generally very similar, free market competition keeps the rates pretty competitive. The only exception to this is at the airport, where the exchange rates are terrible. Usually about 5 percent worse than at the local changers. I believe this is because of the high rents charged by the airport authority. But all of the money changers at the airport have EXACTLY the same rate. So shopping around won't get you a better deal.
So I usually change just a minimum amount at the airport (enough for my ride and a few necessities) and wait until arrival in Pattaya or Bangkok to change more money for daily activities.
Thanks to those who recommended Lecithin. I tried it. Seemed like an improvement.
Did not subsequently have any session where I could not cum, where previously I did on occasions. In one case my SnowWhite visit was only 90 minutes after finishing a session at another MP. Still managed another cum. Of course was with a very expert BJ finish, so maybe not a totally fair test. However understand I am a person that finds it hard to cum, especially with multiple sessions in same day, no so much after an extended period of no sex.
Cum volume seemed improved on occasions. I don't have hard evidence from a large trial with double blinds of course.
The problem is not related to maintaining erections, which is a totally different thing. So Viagra type medications do not help a person with cum difficulties, some suggest even the reverse may be true.
[QUOTE=David2;1635541]So I usually change just a minimum amount at the airport (enough for my ride and a few necessities) and wait until arrival in Pattaya or Bangkok to change more money for daily activities.[/QUOTE]Good information. What is considered a "minimum amount" ?
[QUOTE=RumBuddy;1635625]Good information. What is considered a "minimum amount" ?[/QUOTE]I usually say US $100.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1635743]I usually say US $100.[/QUOTE]I usually just use the ATM once I come through immigration, it's attached to the exchange rate place as it's run by the same bank. Do remember that if you use the ATM it will give you 1,000 baht notes, so I usually break 1 note for the taxi into town. The exchange attached are happy to do this.
[QUOTE=David2;1635541]There are literally thousands of currency exchanges, bank branches, and ATMs all over the tourist areas. The exchange rates are posted on a board, and they do vary a little bit from one vendor to the next, but they're all generally very similar, free market competition keeps the rates pretty competitive. The only exception to this is at the airport, where the exchange rates are terrible. Usually about 5 percent worse than at the local changers. I believe this is because of the high rents charged by the airport authority. But all of the money changers at the airport have EXACTLY the same rate. So shopping around won't get you a better deal.
So I usually change just a minimum amount at the airport (enough for my ride and a few necessities) and wait until arrival in Pattaya or Bangkok to change more money for daily activities.[/QUOTE]I arrived on Monday and at the airport the EUR to Baht exchange rate was 1 to 37.78. All exchange booths show indeed exactly the same rate.
Most banks in Bangkok offered 40.7 baht for one EUR, the independent exchange booths did a little better at 40.8, but one independent currency exchange booth gave me 40.9 baht for one EUR and no commission fee applied. It was close to the Sukhumvit-Asoke (Soi 21) intersection ([URL]https://www.google.co.th/maps/@13.7362368,100.5609848,3a,64.7y,270h,82.38t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sqGvvtXZ7A1u0qKOpIurb0A!2e0?hl=nl[/URL]).
[QUOTE=Kerrstar;1635758]I usually just use the ATM once I come through immigration, it's attached to the exchange rate place as it's run by the same bank.[/QUOTE]Sure, but the OP wanted to know the best way. The ATM is going to charge him 180 baht or US $6. Therefore the best way is to exchange at the booth, getting just enough to tide him over at the airport. Then HE can exchange more when HE gets to where HE is staying and can find a more favorable rate.
[QUOTE=RumBuddy;1635625]Good information. What is considered a "minimum amount" ?[/QUOTE]Like Mr. E, I also cash 100 USD giving me just over 3000 THB. I usually arrive at BKK around midnight. My driver gets 1,000 of that for the ride, plus a 100 tip (IF HE didn't drive like a maniac), and a tip for the bellhop at the hotel. And since most of the money changers don't open until 10 or 11 AM, I like to have a few THB in my pocket in case I can't sleep and go for a walk in the morning. I've had plenty of opportunities to spend some money in the early morning on my first day in the LOS before the money changers open. .
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1635820]Sure, but the OP wanted to know the best way. The ATM is going to charge him 180 baht or US $6. Therefore the best way is to exchange at the booth, getting just enough to tide him over at the airport. Then HE can exchange more when HE gets to where HE is staying and can find a more favorable rate.[/QUOTE]And don't forget that most banks charge an additional fee for using "out of network" ATMs. My bank charges 5 USD in addition to the 180 THB, for a total of almost $11. Quite an expense especially when you're only taking out $50. Much better to take out larger amounts less frequently in order to keep those charges to a minimum.
And I know that there are certain brokerage accounts that will reimburse those fees, but I like my current bankers enough to not switch to save a few dollars.
[QUOTE=David2;1635958]And don't forget that most banks charge an additional fee for using "out of network" ATMs. My bank charges 5 USD in addition to the 180 THB, for a total of almost $11. Quite an expense especially when you're only taking out $50. Much better to take out larger amounts less frequently in order to keep those charges to a minimum.
And I know that there are certain brokerage accounts that will reimburse those fees, but I like my current bankers enough to not switch to save a few dollars.[/QUOTE]I find the best overall value is at the exchange places. I have been here for many months and I noticed that in addition to the ATM fee of 150-180 baht, the exchange rate is lower at the machines. So you take a double hit. You lose 5 or 6 US Dollars for the ATM fee and about 10 dollars with the lower ex rate (that's based on a 30,000 baht withdrawal).
FYI. The TMB ATM fee is only 150 baht AND it allows you to withdraw up to 30,000 baht per transaction. Many of the other atms charge 180 baht and only allow up to 20,000 baht. If you need more than 20 k baht, I would use TMB. Otherwise, you will end up making another withdrawal. This adds up for long stays.
[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1635961]If you need more than 20 k baht, I would use TMB. Otherwise, you will end up making another withdrawal. This adds up for long stays.[/QUOTE]I use the ATMs at the Citibank at the intersection of Asoke and Sukhumvit and typically take out 50,000 baht per transaction. I have no idea what is the maximum amount allowed.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1635973]I use the ATMs at the Citibank at the intersection of Asoke and Sukhumvit and typically take out 50,000 baht per transaction. I have no idea what is the maximum amount allowed.[/QUOTE]Thats good info. In Pattaya the most I can get from the machines is 30,000. One day I checked 6-7 different ATMs to see how much I can get. Only TMB let me take 30 k (won't allow more). If I can get 50 k at one time, that will save me some dough (because I need 2 withdrawls per month). I will check that out. Thanks.
Any idea of what kind of rate did you got from the Citi ATM as compared to the exchange places during that time? (if you checked on that).
At the ATM last month I got a rate of 32.14 baht. The ex-rate at that time was 32.52 at my preferred exchange booth (if I had cash to exchange). The ATM was about 40 points lower.
Having cash to change is much better. However, one can only bring so much. Then when the cash runs out you have to use ATMs and those fees add up.
[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1635961]I find the best overall value is at the exchange places. I have been here for many months and I noticed that in addition to the ATM fee of 150-180 baht, the exchange rate is lower at the machines. So you take a double hit. You lose 5 or 6 US Dollars for the ATM fee and about 10 dollars with the lower ex rate (that's based on a 30,000 baht withdrawal).
FYI. The TMB ATM fee is only 150 baht AND it allows you to withdraw up to 30,000 baht per transaction. Many of the other atms charge 180 baht and only allow up to 20,000 baht. If you need more than 20 k baht, I would use TMB. Otherwise, you will end up making another withdrawal. This adds up for long stays.[/QUOTE]A number of years back when they first started to charge the 150 Baht for ATM withdraws I basically went around and try all the Thai ATM'S each one was basically pretty close! So close I concluded that the rate was not going to cause me to leave and run around town using up time and gas to find something ONLY slight better. If that is your thing knock yourself out? But I concluded that Bangkok Bank was the most consistent in giving me the best rates. In emergencies it really didn't matter who I used. Then I found out about Aeon was the only one not charging so I use them for years and plan my withdraw visits.
End of a good thing. This year Aeon started charging 150 baht, and right after every other Thai bank raised their fees to 180 which got me to say why? So whenever I do use a ATM, my business went to Bangkok Bank until recently. I used a Bangkok Bank ATM on the Darkside as usual when I get my withdraw I pretty much pocket it since I didn't want to count it in the open never been shorted but this time I was shorted 2 thousand baht. When the branch open I went inside and file a report and contacted by Credit Union a month later Bangkok Bank refused my request of shortage. When I went in and talk to the Branch manager she said the video showed I walked away not counting? I said that is what my reported indicated and that I came back when the Branch opened? I said you do not look at the video you are suppose to get the daily audit on the machine and if you did you would had a overage? Basically they gave me a dumb look so I took all my savings book and closed all the accounts and moved everything to Aeon Bank.
I also was under the impression that the limit your card has is based on your bank or the instruction you provide for them. On some of my cards I allow the Bank policy to limit withdraws at $500 USD, I have another I used for emergency for I have them authorized $1000.00 My old ATM card for Bangkok Bank allows a Maximum of 25 notes = 25,000 Baht. I also found out the majority of machines will respond like " insuffient funds " giving you the impression you do not have enough in your account when in fact it is because the machine has run low on cash. I have seen Siam ATM when this happens limit withdraws to 2,000 baht. I cancelled the transaction take my card to another machine and no problem.
CITI did not charge me a fee this year. I used a non CITI German ATM card.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1636111]A number of years back when they first started to charge the 150 Baht for ATM withdraws I basically went around and try all the Thai ATM'S each one was basically pretty close! So close I concluded that the rate was not going to cause me to leave and run around town using up time and gas to find something ONLY slight better. If that is your thing knock yourself out? But I concluded that Bangkok Bank was the most consistent in giving me the best rates. In emergencies it really didn't matter who I used.[/QUOTE]I would imagine that the ATM exchange rates would indeed be pretty close. I never took it that far. I basically wanted to find another ATM branch that would allow me to take a total of 30 K, which is what I wanted at the time. So I stopped and checked about 6 ATMs from various banks along the way (there must be about a dozen of them between my place and the TMB ATM). Each of the ATMs I tried would only allow a max of 20 k (a withdrawal limit set by those machines, not my bank card's limit). That meant I would have to do 2 separate withdrawals to get 30 k. For that reason alone, I have been using TMB. No need to pay 2 fees.
Now, I am interested in trying out a Citi ATM. If I can get 50 k in one stop that would be great. And if I the machine doesn't charge a fee, even better.
Also, I noticed my ATM receipt had a statement on it saying save up to 400 bath per month in ATM fees. For more info call this # or visit a local branch. Maybe next week I will stop by the Central Festival mall to see if I can open an account at one of the banks here. On the 5th floor of the mall they have all the branches located at one end. This may be a good option for frequent visitors and guys who stay for long periods of time (like me). :)
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1635973]I use the ATMs at the Citibank at the intersection of Asoke and Sukhumvit and typically take out 50,000 baht per transaction. I have no idea what is the maximum amount allowed.[/QUOTE]The maximum is set by your bank and not by the ATM. However, some ATMs may be setup to limit the amount, but that is rare.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1636111]This year Aeon started charging 150 baht, and right after every other Thai bank raised their fees to 180 which got me to say why?
I also was under the impression that the limit your card has is based on your bank or the instruction you provide for them.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1636092]Any idea of what kind of rate did you got from the Citi ATM as compared to the exchange places during that time? (if you checked on that).
At the ATM last month I got a rate of 32.14 baht. The ex-rate at that time was 32.52 at my preferred exchange booth (if I had cash to exchange). The ATM was about 40 points lower.
Having cash to change is much better. However, one can only bring so much. Then when the cash runs out you have to use ATMs and those fees add up.[/QUOTE]LBM, AEON also used to let me withdraw 40 K baht with no 150 baht fee. On my last trip, maybe the last 2 trips, they charged the 150 and the limit was 20 or 30 K, I forget which. So I started to use Citibank exclusively for ATM withdrawals.
PL, the ATM versus money exchange booth rates you report are consistent with my experiences. I get most of my cash from ATMs, but I do bring US $500 to a 1000 with me. I like to use SuperRich ([URL]http://superrich1965.com/[/URL]). The main branch seems to have the best rates. It is on Rajdamri Rd. Kitty corny from the northeast corner of Central World. There are branches, with slightly poorer rates at the Chidlom and Asoke BTS stations.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1636171]The maximum is set by your bank and not by the ATM. However, some ATMs may be setup to limit the amount, but that is rare.[/QUOTE]Good point. I've set a high limit so I could withdraw more than 50 K. I've just never tried to. In the US some banks set the default max limit at US $500, which would limit your maximum withdrawal to about 16 K. Unless you know your limit it's good to check it with your bank before you travel. I also tell my bank and credit card companies when and where I will be traveling so they expect unusual card activity.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1636171]The maximum is set by your bank and not by the ATM. However, some ATMs may be setup to limit the amount, but that is rare.[/QUOTE]In Myanmar the ATM's set the limit, which is 300,000 Kyat (about US $300). This probably has more to do with the limited amount of space in the machines as they dispense 5,000 Kyat notes. Just in case anyone was travelling here.
When I take money out in Bangkok I pay S $ 8 (about US $ 6) to HSBC. I have no choice though, since I have no access to US $ as I'm paid offshore.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1636171]The maximum is set by your bank and not by the ATM. However, some ATMs may be setup to limit the amount, but that is rare.[/QUOTE]Yes, the maximum is set by your bank but you can change that (depending on your balance and income of course). At least Dutch banks have this option.
However the foreign bank may have set a maximum as well that is lower than your personal maximum.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1636181]AEON also used to let me withdraw 40 K baht with no 150 baht fee. On my last trip, maybe the last 2 trips, they charged the 150 and the limit was 20 or 30 K, I forget which. So I started to use Citibank exclusively for ATM withdrawals.[/QUOTE]Citibank is charging the 150 baht ATM fee as well, but they may not be explicit about it. Started well over a year ago, was free before that. At the moment, I don't think any ATM networks are without that fee.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1636601]Citibank is charging the 150 baht ATM fee as well, but they may not be explicit about it. Started well over a year ago, was free before that. At the moment, I don't think any ATM networks are without that fee.[/QUOTE]I seem to recall they disclosed the fee before I made the transaction. I like Citibank because I can make much larger withdrawals, the machines inside and usually a bank employee was present when I made my withdrawals.
I usually end up adding a few contacts to whatsapp during each visit to Thailand.
However whatsapp does not really offer much privacy and I am always worried of my GF questioning me about various contacts. On top of that sometimes one ends up getting messages from girls in awkward situations. Time difference between east and west compounds the problem.
Is there any way of having something a dual whatsapp subscription so one can login to "special" one only when required?
How are you guys managing it?
I've been reading through the Thailand Forums for some months now, as I'm trying to decide whether visiting Thailand for the first time would be worthwhile.
Although I have read numerous posts from others here about what some Thai ladies can and / or will do to you if you get too involved, it was interesting to follow the misfortune of Aussie Rob who was shown on tonight's episode of Channel 9 Australia's "The Embassy" program.
A relationship with a Pattaya Thai gogo bar girl of around two years, he's sent her around $70,000 dollars over that period, as he believed that they'll be married and she'll relocate to Australia with him. Instead, she asks him for 1 Million baht so as to open her own karaoke place, and when he says to her he'll think about it, she takes his passport in an attempt to extort money from him. He gets it back, but not easily, and the Thai police don't come off looking good at all.
If only Aussie Rob had gone to Pattaya for the reason that ISG members go there, and if only he had read through some of the posts here before going, he would be better off both financially and emotionally.
I still laughed though.
(I was going to post this in the Pattaya Forum, but I figured it was more general than specific to Pattaya.).
[QUOTE=Margaya;1637018]I usually end up adding a few contacts to whatsapp during each visit to Thailand.
However whatsapp does not really offer much privacy and I am always worried of my GF questioning me about various contacts. On top of that sometimes one ends up getting messages from girls in awkward situations. Time difference between east and west compounds the problem.
Is there any way of having something a dual whatsapp subscription so one can login to "special" one only when required?
How are you guys managing it?[/QUOTE]You could use one app like facebook messenger for communication with regular friends and only use what's app (or line) when you are actually in Thailand. Then when you go home, deactivate whatsapp from your phone. You can activate it again later. It might be inconvenient but you won't have to worry about the GF.
[QUOTE=Margaya;1637018]I usually end up adding a few contacts to whatsapp during each visit to Thailand.
However whatsapp does not really offer much privacy and I am always worried of my GF questioning me about various contacts. On top of that sometimes one ends up getting messages from girls in awkward situations. Time difference between east and west compounds the problem.
Is there any way of having something a dual whatsapp subscription so one can login to "special" one only when required?
How are you guys managing it?[/QUOTE]LINE seems to be universally popular in Thailand and not many other places, so installing on your way in, and uninstalling on your way out is a good idea.
Whatsapp does not support dual accounts, most mobile apps do not. Android tablets (but not phones) theoretically support multiple user accounts, but I wouldn't rely on that (since chat apps use your mobile SIM number as the I'd).
If you have a GF or worse, wife, consider getting a burner phone. Cheap Android phones can be had for 3-5000 baht or so, cheap price to pay for your peace of mind (especially if a divorce is a possibility). You can wipe the phone if you want to bring it back home (and toss the SIM card, of course).
Never, ever, ever, add anyone on Facebook if you don't want that to be public. Facebook's privacy settings are a sham, and it's virtually guaranteed information will leak. Even if you create a fake / secondary profile, it's still likely to come back at you eventually.
More broadly, a good practice is to _never_ let other people (especially your GF or wife) browse through your phone on e-mail, and consider it a serious offense. Put up a pattern lock, and change the pattern regularly. This is good to do from the start, harder if they are already able to dig freely. If your partner is jealous and digs with the intent of finding that you're cheating, they will find something, even if there's absolutely nothing to find and you've done nothing wrong.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1637689]
If you have a GF or worse, wife, consider getting a burner phone. Cheap Android phones can be had for 3-5000 baht or so, cheap price to pay for your peace of mind (especially if a divorce is a possibility). You can wipe the phone if you want to bring it back home (and toss the SIM card, of course).[/QUOTE]Second phone is a great idea too. Just have to hide that little fucker when you go back (and hope she doesn't find it). But the guy worried about the phone thing has more to be concerned about. I would be worried about bringing something back and giving it to the GF. LOL.
I am from Europe and here nobody really uses wechat (or weixin as it is called in China).
In Asia almost ALL girls use it.
For my real home friends I use whatsup, facebook, line.
For my activities in Thailand / China I use wechat, once back I delete all messages and contacts in there.
Or even delete the app from my phone and I am save.
The software "bluestacks" simulates an android mobile device on your windows pc, including chat programs etc.
It is running in a "sandbox" means it does not leave any traces on your pc, perfect for using in office.
I use a second "secret" email for my Asia girls, never my real email, use a local prepaid card, each time I go a new one, which will be destroyed after the trip.
Never use my real name or address with the girls, so at home I am fully clear. My wife can freely browse my iPhone as much as she like.
Wechat has a good function, you can see who is near by and filter female only. Had surprisingly good success, even with non hookers in Thailand and China.
Enjoy your hobby and be careful, our wives are very careful too!
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1636601]Citibank is charging the 150 baht ATM fee as well, but they may not be explicit about it. Started well over a year ago, was free before that. At the moment, I don't think any ATM networks are without that fee.[/QUOTE]There's a way to save the fee, it must have mentioned before.
Walk into the branch and ask for a cash withdrawal using your debit card. I wasn't believing it myself, as it sounds just too easy, and I have never seen any other bank in the world doing it, but it's doable in Thailand. After AEON started charging the fee, I went at Kasikorn in Pattaya Central twice, for 20,000 Bt each time. I happen to have an account at the branch, but they didn't care, only wanted to see my passport. In less than a minute the money was counted, I signed the transaction, and left.
Just went through immigration a few days ago in Phuket (I guess this applies nationwide), the officer looks at the arrival form you fill, if you have no visa and you have multiple Thai stamps in your passport he calls the supervisor, this happened quite often, many times I saw them coming and checking, including me.
A guy ahead of me pulled out and then back to the desk after a quick chat with the supervisor. We talked before and after he said he comes twice a year and he told him that and all was OK.
Later it was my turn, I quickly turn the page to my exit stamp 1. 5 year ago and showed it to the supervisor and he waved me on and to the desk. They just come around behind the desk or on the side and check.
Later I asked him what was the criteria / point when he would not permit entry, with his broken English he finally understood what I was saying and said no more than "6 entries per year". I guess they feel you could stay 6 month with 6 entries so that would not be acceptable. This is fair enough I think, even UK (and many countries) has restriction of 6 months limit on tourist visas. Though I am not sure what would happen if you go for visa run, I heard they sometime take you to the office and then you have to "negotiate" before letting you pass !
Also I went to use the Bangkok Bank ATM that I always use, it said no more than max 12,500 baht (I didn't have time so I took it but later I found it only gave / had 500 bahts (hence 25/500 = 12,500 - ATM machines only give max 25 notes or 20 k baht or so here), so I should have tried another ATM, it was probably ran out of of 1000 or it was a machine that only gave 500.
By the way check latest bank rates here:
[URL]http://bankexchangerates.daytodaydata.net/[/URL]
Someone mentioned TMB giving 30 k, but from this page I find their rate for GBP is usually low (by nearly 1 baht) - need to check a few days for a good average, so not worth it for GBP, but their USD rate is OK. Bangkok Bank have consistently good rates for GBP. Note that even 0. 5 rate difference on 500 GBP gives you 250 baht short (more than 180 baht bank charge!
[QUOTE=Uzinuzin;1639131]Later I asked him what was the criteria / point when he would not permit entry, with his broken English he finally understood what I was saying and said no more than "6 entries per year". I guess they feel you could stay 6 month with 6 entries so that would not be acceptable. This is fair enough I think, even UK (and many countries) has restriction of 6 months limit on tourist visas. Though I am not sure what would happen if you go for visa run, I heard they sometime take you to the office and then you have to "negotiate" before letting you pass !
[/quote]There is no such written rule, it is something they make up when it suits them.
[QUOTE=Uzinuzin;1639131]Someone mentioned TMB giving 30 k, but from this page I find their rate for GBP is usually low (by nearly 1 baht) - need to check a few days for a good average, so not worth it for GBP, but their USD rate is OK. Bangkok Bank have consistently good rates for GBP. Note that even 0. 5 rate difference on 500 GBP gives you 250 baht short (more than 180 baht bank charge![/QUOTE]Exchange rate at the ATM are not determined by the Thai bank, but by the international circuit used, Visa or MC. You can check that on their respective websites, using the rate for the working day before the transaction.
[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1638598]There's a way to save the fee, it must have mentioned before.
Walk into the branch and ask for a cash withdrawal using your debit card. I wasn't believing it myself, as it sounds just too easy, and I have never seen any other bank in the world doing it, but it's doable in Thailand. After AEON started charging the fee, I went at Kasikorn in Pattaya Central twice, for 20,000 Bt each time. I happen to have an account at the branch, but they didn't care, only wanted to see my passport. In less than a minute the money was counted, I signed the transaction, and left.[/QUOTE]What exchange rate did you get? The interbank ATM rate or the bank's local rate for exchanging cash notes?
[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;1639590]What exchange rate did you get? The interbank ATM rate or the bank's local rate for exchanging cash notes?[/QUOTE]The Visa or MC rate. The transaction appears immediately, in one case it got a very small adjustment few days later.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1637689]
More broadly, a good practice is to _never_ let other people (especially your GF or wife) browse through your phone on e-mail, and consider it a serious offense. Put up a pattern lock, and change the pattern regularly. This is good to do from the start, harder if they are already able to dig freely. If your partner is jealous and digs with the intent of finding that you're cheating, they will find something, even if there's absolutely nothing to find and you've done nothing wrong.[/QUOTE]In my experience a locked phone is no security. The conversation goes: 'If you have nothing to hide, then show me what's on your phone', or variations on that theme. Having your partner know the password gives her confidence in your fidelity, and increases your diligence in removing all phone numbers, photos, etc etc.
[QUOTE=Mouse1;1639747]In my experience a locked phone is no security. The conversation goes: 'If you have nothing to hide, then show me what's on your phone', or variations on that theme. Having your partner know the password gives her confidence in your fidelity, and increases your diligence in removing all phone numbers, photos, etc etc.[/QUOTE]Isn't that what all governments are selling us? "If you have nothing to hide, why do you need strong encryption on your emails"?
[QUOTE=Mouse1;1639747]The conversation goes: 'If you have nothing to hide, then show me what's on your phone', or variations on that theme. [/QUOTE]That's a shit test question, the variation on the "if you love me you'll buy me gold". The only proper answer to that is a firm "no", and if there's any further discussion, the reply is "if you don't trust me, you're free to leave".
Once you accept their terms / frame and start being defensive, you lost the battle. If your partner broadly suspects you of cheating, there's no way of proving you're not doing it, anything you do to placate them is likely to get them even more suspicious. If you engage in that sort of discussion, the possible outcomes are "tails I win, heads you lose".
Of course, if they had the free reign of your phone (or wallet, or bank account, or setting the tone / frame of arguments) for a long time, and then suddenly you put your foot down, they'll get rightfully pissed and suspicious. That's why it's critical to set boundaries early on, and difficult to claw back ground you already conceded.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not some sort of an ultra-macho woman-spinning alpha, just a regular guy that learned this stuff the hard way (although quite not as hard as some people I know).
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1639797]That's a shit test question, the variation on the "if you love me you'll buy me gold". The only proper answer to that is a firm "no", and if there's any further discussion, the reply is "if you don't trust me, you're free to leave".
Once you accept their terms / frame and start being defensive, you lost the battle. [/QUOTE]I agree it's a shit test question, but it's one that gets asked in various forms.
Perhaps I'm a complete wimp, but after many years of marriage, I don't really see it as a battle. You don't want to hear about my life, but my aim is broadly to have a bit of fun without hurting the ones I love. Oops, I've used a bad word.
[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1639584]
Exchange rate at the ATM are not determined by the Thai bank, but by the international circuit used, Visa or MC. You can check that on their respective websites, using the rate for the working day before the transaction.[/QUOTE]That is a good point, I think they use those exchange rates on that website for cash / note exchanges at their exchange kiosks. But Bangkok Bank also now offer on their ATM to exchange money when you are withdrawing, it asks the question just before giving you the money. Should never accept that, say no, they also show the rate there, it is even worse than what is on that website!?
The real suspects for the Koh Tao murders are very well known to the British Police.
[URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816140/Village-leader-s-son-forced-undergo-DNA-test-Koh-Tao-rumours-sweep-island-killed-Brit-murder-victims-protected-cover-up.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1640351]The real suspects for the Koh Tao murders are very well known to the British Police.
[URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816140/Village-leader-s-son-forced-undergo-DNA-test-Koh-Tao-rumours-sweep-island-killed-Brit-murder-victims-protected-cover-up.html[/URL][/QUOTE]I would hope the British police would be allowed to take a DNA sample. They are the only ones on the island I trust.
[QUOTE=Mouse1;1639747]In my experience a locked phone is no security. The conversation goes: 'If you have nothing to hide, then show me what's on your phone', or variations on that theme. Having your partner know the password gives her confidence in your fidelity, and increases your diligence in removing all phone numbers, photos, etc etc.[/QUOTE]Had this a few months ago, in China. The girl was hot and we had been dating for about 9 months, but one day I l left my phone and went out. She was tempted to touch the phone when I was out of the apartment as I expected she would. She had clearly moved the phone, but I wasnt sure if she had, or knew how to open it.
I asked her why she had touched it, and she replied that all girls in China go through their BF's phone. I said that wasnt the answer to the question I asked.
She asked why I was asking. I asked why she had touched my phone when I had never once asked to see hers. And so a breakdown occurs.
She left, came back after a few days, during which time I had packed her things. She collected them then started sending me angry messages saying I had killed the relationship.
I suggested she pays the same respect to the property of others, to which they pay her properties.
With all new girls in my place, I leave the phone in plain view, leave the room, and see if its been touched. The latest 3 ladies, bless them, have never gone anywhere near my phone.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1640686]She left, came back after a few days, during which time I had packed her things. She collected them then started sending me angry messages saying I had killed the relationship.
I suggested she pays the same respect to the property of others, to which they pay her properties.[/QUOTE]Damn right. Even when I was married, my wife didn't go through my things (not that I know of.) I'm not about to give some chick the code and tell her it is alright to look through my phone. It's more like don't touch my shit. If they go anywhere near my shit they get an earful. You did the right thing.
Thanks for letting us know about wechat.
I wish there was a way to have two logins to whatsapp. That, in my opinion, would be only way to stay in touch and yet remain safe.
[QUOTE=ThomasJefferson;1638382]I am from Europe and here nobody really uses wechat (or weixin as it is called in China).
In Asia almost ALL girls use it.
For my real home friends I use whatsup, facebook, line.
For my activities in Thailand / China I use wechat, once back I delete all messages and contacts in there.
Or even delete the app from my phone and I am save.
The software "bluestacks" simulates an android mobile device on your windows pc, including chat programs etc...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Allover;1640644]I would hope the British police would be allowed to take a DNA sample. They are the only ones on the island I trust.[/QUOTE]The DNA samples were probably altered destroyed etc. The body injuries were subsequently altered. Their is a strong rumour that Phornthip head of Forensics resigned at the time.
[QUOTE=Margaya;1640834]Thanks for letting us know about wechat.
I wish there was a way to have two logins to whatsapp. That, in my opinion, would be only way to stay in touch and yet remain safe.[/QUOTE]If you have two phones its easy.
Last trip to Cambodia, I used my regular home country phone with the regular we chat. And with my travelling phone had a Cambodia sim and was wechatting, whatsapping and vibering away within minutes. Wechat just needs to send a verification number to your second number and your up and running. Second phones are a mongers best friend. And third and fourth etc.
[URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2821519/Was-psycho-banker-rogue-trader-went-mad-BANNED-market-licensing-authorities-New-clues-Hong-Kong-double-prostitute-murder-police-reveal-former-public-schoolboy-posed-grisly-selfie-victim.html[/URL]
A British monger / punter killed two working girls (seem to be from Indonesia) in Hong Kong.
According to the news and those photos, he seems to be a very experienced monger / punter veteran. I bet he has been to Thailand or had some Thai girls as well.
I wonder if that guy is a member / reader of this forum or any other forums like this one.
What he did was totally insane and despicable, no matter what.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1641150][URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2821519/Was-psycho-banker-rogue-trader-went-mad-BANNED-market-licensing-authorities-New-clues-Hong-Kong-double-prostitute-murder-police-reveal-former-public-schoolboy-posed-grisly-selfie-victim.html[/URL]
A British monger / punter killed two working girls (seem to be from Indonesia) in Hong Kong.
According to the news and those photos, he seems to be a very experienced monger / punter veteran. I bet he has been to Thailand or had some Thai girls as well.
I wonder if that guy is a member / reader of this forum or any other forums like this one.[/QUOTE]Not sure the point you are making, but I think he was anything but experienced. He has been out in Hong Kong since Summer 2013, and is now 29. He seems to have had a long time Filipina girl friend who dumped him a couple of months back. I guess he took it out on a couple of vulnerable women.
I suspect that had he been a reader of these forums he might have received some timely advice about falling in love with bar girls.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1641150][URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2821519/Was-psycho-banker-rogue-trader-went-mad-BANNED-market-licensing-authorities-New-clues-Hong-Kong-double-prostitute-murder-police-reveal-former-public-schoolboy-posed-grisly-selfie-victim.html[/URL]
A British monger / punter killed two working girls (seem to be from Indonesia) in Hong Kong.
According to the news and those photos, he seems to be a very experienced monger / punter veteran. I bet he has been to Thailand or had some Thai girls as well.
I wonder if that guy is a member / reader of this forum or any other forums like this one.
What he did was totally insane and despicable, no matter what.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mouse1;1642108]Not sure the point you are making, but I think he was anything but experienced. He has been out in Hong Kong since Summer 2013, and is now 29. He seems to have had a long time Filipina girl friend who dumped him a couple of months back. I guess he took it out on a couple of vulnerable women.
I suspect that had he been a reader of these forums he might have received some timely advice about falling in love with bar girls.[/QUOTE]There have been recent online articles about his exploits in Angeles City. He's well-know and well-liked in the AC bars; threw money around; bought rounds for the house.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1641150][URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2821519/Was-psycho-banker-rogue-trader-went-mad-BANNED-market-licensing-authorities-New-clues-Hong-Kong-double-prostitute-murder-police-reveal-former-public-schoolboy-posed-grisly-selfie-victim.html[/URL]
A British monger / punter killed two working girls (seem to be from Indonesia) in Hong Kong.
According to the news and those photos, he seems to be a very experienced monger / punter veteran. I bet he has been to Thailand or had some Thai girls as well.
I wonder if that guy is a member / reader of this forum or any other forums like this one.
What he did was totally insane and despicable, no matter what.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure he was a reader of this forum. After all, where would he get ideas to kill two WGs.
I have read the forum in length, but some things just linger and aren't answered in my view. If you like to answer that's great, if not, not a big deal.
I have come across these websites that offer their experiences: [URL]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/travel.html[/URL].
And this one that shows cost of living: [URL]http://www.into-asia.com/thailand/costs.php[/URL].
How accurate is this? I deem it pretty good.
Now for my questions:
I hear toilets / restrooms are hard to come by and a person needs to carry TP (toilet paper) around and or the toilets are not like that in the USA and are just holes in the ground (like Russia). True, not true? Not much data out there on this.
I gather that the beaches are not swim worthy, contaminated (sewage) or at least deemed by the natives as dirty. True?
I watched "Hores Glory with a W at the front" and its good! Problem is, prices seem to be exorbitant. Are those true prices?
Also, you regular posters on here, do you live in Thailand? Part-time or full time? Married, GF? Or longtime single? Stateside?
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1642613]I have read the forum in length, but some things just linger and aren't answered in my view. If you like to answer that's great, if not, not a big deal.
I have come across these websites that offer their experiences: [URL]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/travel.html[/URL].
And this one that shows cost of living: [URL]http://www.into-asia.com/thailand/costs.php[/URL].
How accurate is this? I deem it pretty good.[/QUOTE]Both sites are pretty accurate. Stickman particularly offers valuable advice for newbies. Add 20 to 30% to some of the prices mentioned by into-asia to adjust for inflation.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1642613]Now for my questions:
I hear toilets / restrooms are hard to come by and a person needs to carry TP (toilet paper) around and or the toilets are not like that in the USA and are just holes in the ground (like Russia). True, not true? Not much data out there on this.[/QUOTE]In the cities there are enough toilets / restrooms around. Every gasstation, every shopping mall offers restrooms for free and many are well maintained and up to any Western standard, if not even better. In smaller cities or villages, you can ask to visit the restroom of any bar or road-side restaurant. Beter than an even chance they have Westers style toilets, but even the Thai style ("squatting") toilets are OK. It just takes a bit of geting used to. Toilet paper may be a problem here, but there is always enough fresh water and soap to clean yourself, so you don't even really miss the toilet paper.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1642613]I gather that the beaches are not swim worthy, contaminated (sewage) or at least deemed by the natives as dirty. True?
[/QUOTE]I suspect it is true, unfortunately.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1642613]I watched "Hores Glory with a W at the front" and its good! Problem is, prices seem to be exorbitant. Are those true prices?[/QUOTE]I haven't (yet) watched this, so I cannot say.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1642613]Also, you regular posters on here, do you live in Thailand? Part-time or full time? Married, GF? Or longtime single? Stateside?[/QUOTE]Regular visitor to Thailand and with a sweet Thai GF living in Thailand.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1642613]I watched "Hores Glory with a W at the front" and its good! Problem is, prices seem to be exorbitant. Are those true prices?[/QUOTE]In June I visited Nataree that has considerably more attractive girls than High Class, the soapy featured in the documentary. I paid 2300 for a very pretty young girl from Chiang Rai. The fishbowl girls were 1700 as I recall. The most expensive model category girls and the very, very young highly prized by some girls were 5000. I gave the girl a 500 baht tip, so she cost about what a hard core 3-hole girl at one of the oilies would cost. What she lacked in raunchiness she made up for with innocence, charm and beauty.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1642613]I have read the forum in length, but some things just linger and aren't answered in my view. If you like to answer that's great, if not, not a big deal.
I have come across these websites that offer their experiences: [URL]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/travel.html[/URL].
And this one that shows cost of living: [URL]http://www.into-asia.com/thailand/costs.php[/URL].
How accurate is this? I deem it pretty good.
Now for my questions:
I hear toilets / restrooms are hard to come by and a person needs to carry TP (toilet paper) around and or the toilets are not like that in the USA and are just holes in the ground (like Russia). True, not true? Not much data out there on this.
I gather that the beaches are not swim worthy, contaminated (sewage) or at least deemed by the natives as dirty. True?
I watched "Hores Glory with a W at the front" and its good! Problem is, prices seem to be exorbitant. Are those true prices?
Also, you regular posters on here, do you live in Thailand? Part-time or full time? Married, GF? Or longtime single? Stateside?[/QUOTE]TTT.
Dude, what you hear, surmise, gather or have watched is simply inaccurate. Both BKK and RU are not as elementary as you are suggesting. Both areas offer pussy o plenty, great value and yes even real bathrooms with toilet paper. Been there and have done both areas many times.
Get your ass out of Vegas and go experience life outside of sex prison (USA) and have a great time. If you have read the forums at "great length" it's all laid out in front of you. No one is going to spoon feed you. Biggest problem you face is not wanting to go home.
Enjoy the experience.
Guido88.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1642613]I gather that the beaches are not swim worthy, contaminated (sewage) or at least deemed by the natives as dirty. True?[/QUOTE]Where did you gather that? Generally I prefer less developed Filipino Beaches, but Thailand has some amazing beaches down South. Pattaya Beach is the polluted one. Check out the TravelFish web site: [URL]http://www.travelfish.org/islands.php[/URL].
And next time do just a little research before you ask truly uninformed "stupid" questions.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1642613]
I watched "Hores Glory with a W at the front" and its good! Problem is, prices seem to be exorbitant. Are those true prices?[/QUOTE]If memory serves, the price was 1800bt for the top level girls and 1400bt for entry level girls at that parlor in the movie. Nowadays (the movie was made in 2011) the price is anywhere from 1800bt to 6000bt depending on the girl, her classification, and the particular Soapie. The Soapies I frequent are higher quality than the one in the movie. Sukhumvit FL's are still around 1000bt and of course you can find FL girls in Chinatown for 500bt. It is up to you.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1642613]
I hear toilets / restrooms are hard to come by and a person needs to carry TP (toilet paper) around and or the toilets are not like that in the USA and are just holes in the ground (like Russia). True, not true? Not much data out there on this.
[/QUOTE]I'll tackle this, as there really isn't a lot of info on it.
All the malls have western toilets. Some, like MBK, you'll need to gather your paper from the dispenser at the door. Others, like Terminal 21, are first class toilets as you'd find in the USA. Your hotel will have a western style toilet. Almost all gas stations will have both styles, but I have encountered exceptions. Most restaurants have western toilets. The more rural you get the more you'll encounter the squat toilet. In many cases you'll see a large bucket or cistern of water next to the toilet, with a scoop of some sort floating in it. This is used to "flush" the toilet. Do so by pouring in a few ladles of water. Often the toilets aren't hooked to running water. You'll see this more in small restaurants, private homes, etc.
Now almost all western toilets you encounter will also be equipped with the "bum gun. " That's a kitchen-sink-style sprayer to assist you with hygiene. Personally, I found it takes a lot of practice to keep from soaking your ass, yourself and half the bathroom. But I'm a klutz.
So, the short answer is to take along your own TP or a packet of Kleenex, just in case. Personally, I prefer a portable pack of flushable baby wipes. Much handier than TP.
Bathrooms, themselves, aren't too hard to come by. There are no facilities in the Skytrain or MRT stations. All malls have them. All restaurants and bars have them, but you may need to be a customer. All first class hotels have them in the lobby.
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I gather that the beaches are not swim worthy, contaminated (sewage) or at least deemed by the natives as dirty. True?[/QUOTE]While it's true that Pattaya City beach is not the cleanest in Thailand, Jomtien Beach is just a Baht Bus ride to the south and will get you to much a much cleaner beach experience. Also, Koh Larn island is just a short ferry boat ride away from the Bali Hai pier for 20 baht and the beaches there are pristine.
Thanks Phordphan, Daddy, Natty, Wolvenvacht, Guido88 and others. To have answered just a couple of questions that I asked.
FL= FreeLancers (pretty sure).
LD = Lady Drinks.
In your experiences, do you think Thai women are more likely to let you take pics / video of the act / of them or is it like anywhere else, depending on the girl?
In Chinatown, are the FLs / bargirls Chinese or Thai? Seems somebody commented that the girls in this area are cheaper.
As far as other items: beach water dispute is "clear" to me, toilets are a grey area. LOL. Now the obvious scams are a reminder to me to watch out with taxis meters, Tuk Tuks, jet skis, jewelry, Rolex watches, silk suits, barfines, ladydrinks (LD).
Food seems to be very cheap, but I'm a USA steak and potatoes guy, my fear is getting the runs (had that in Mexico once) and I only know Panda Express in the states (limited Chinese food), so I guess I can go to the McDonalds and Subways, & 7 Elevens of Thailand to be happy with the food. I won't eat the bugs, the lizards or cow balls or anything "crazy" like that, I suppose they have decent food correct? I have never eaten Thai or the food!
I researched the currency, so the denominations are.
$1,000, $500, $100, $50, $20 in bill forms.
Lesser denominations in coins are: 25 Satang, 50 Satang, 1 Baht, 2 Baht, 5 Baht, 10 Baht.
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Since the weather is tropical (going in Feb) shorts are the standard dress, pants too? Are there dress codes in some places? Seems like Jan and Feb would be out of the rainy season, so a light jacket I suppose.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1643617]Thanks Phordphan, Daddy, Natty, Wolvenvacht, Guido88 and others. To have answered just a couple of questions that I asked.
FL= FreeLancers (pretty sure).
LD = Lady Drinks.
In your experiences, do you think Thai women are more likely to let you take pics / video of the act / of them or is it like anywhere else, depending on the girl?
In Chinatown, are the FLs / bargirls Chinese or Thai? Seems somebody commented that the girls in this area are cheaper.
As far as other items: beach water dispute is "clear" to me, toilets are a grey area. LOL. Now the obvious scams are a reminder to me to watch out with taxis meters, Tuk Tuks, jet skis, jewelry, Rolex watches, silk suits, barfines, ladydrinks (LD).
Food seems to be very cheap, but I'm a USA steak and potatoes guy, my fear is getting the runs (had that in Mexico once) and I only know Panda Express in the states (limited Chinese food), so I guess I can go to the McDonalds and Subways, & 7 Elevens of Thailand to be happy with the food. I won't eat the bugs, the lizards or cow balls or anything "crazy" like that, I suppose they have decent food correct? I have never eaten Thai or the food!
I researched the currency, so the denominations are.
$1,000, $500, $100, $50, $20 in bill forms.
Lesser denominations in coins are: 25 Satang, 50 Satang, 1 Baht, 2 Baht, 5 Baht, 10 Baht.
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Since the weather is tropical (going in Feb) shorts are the standard dress, pants too? Are there dress codes in some places? Seems like Jan and Feb would be out of the rainy season, so a light jacket I suppose.[/QUOTE]Yes, LD is a Lady Drink, FL is a freelancer. BF is a bar fine, LB is a ladyboy.
With the popularity of social media, etc. , fewer and fewer girls will let you take naughty pix. Most Asians love to have their pic taken while out and about, and the bar girls are no exception.
Hunting the back streets of Chinatown is something for a more seasoned veteran. Leave something for another trip. Trust me.
As a newbie you will not be able to spot a "fixed" meter in a taxi. Don't worry about it. They are still much cheaper than Vegas, that's for sure. As far as other scams go, the rule of thumb is this: Does this offer prey on my greed? If the answer is yes, it's a scam. So, bargain jewels, card games, "special deals due to Buddhist holiday," etc. , all depend on your greed and are all scams. Don't bother with jetskis.
If you darken the door of McD's, or Subway, I'll personally fly to BKK and cut off your nuts with a rusty knife. Thailand has, by far, the best street food in the world. The variety is incredible. I've eaten off the street since 1999 and have never become sick. I've eaten in many very modest restaurants, boasting some of the very best Thai food I've ever eaten, and never become sick. Rule of thumb: eat in places popular with LOCALS. Avoid places where tourists eat. First, you'll pay way too much at the touristy places. But most importantly is that places that cater to tourists are catering to a bunch of people who will never be back. If they poison a couple, who cares? But Somchai, who runs the local som tam cart, has to depend on the locals for his livelihood. If his customers start coming down with the Hershey squirts, he'll be out of business quick smart, and perhaps have a few bruises for his trouble. You will run into spicy food when eating in local places. Man up, don't be a pussy, and eat it. You'll get used to it. Decent food? Try one of the most interesting and varied cuisines on the planet.
As a noob, go over to East Fremont and eat in that dinky Thai hole in the wall. I forgot the name. It's more or less across the street from Beauty Bar. Popular with hipsters. It's been a bit dumbed down for the western palate, and it's overpriced, but it's a good place to get your feet wet.
You'll never see a sateng coin unless you buy stuff at the market.
If you enjoy looking like a tourist, by all means wear shorts and a t-shirt in Bangkok. A backwards baseball cap completes the ensemble. (If you must dress like this, please also wear sandals with black socks. That way they'll think you're German and not American) If you want to look like a moderately sane adult, wear long pants. I'll get grief for saying this. But in most countries adults do not wear shorts. In Thailand only manual laborers and very poor men wear shorts. The exception is the beach. However, the same fate awaits your nuts if you walk around Pattaya in a Speedo. LOL.
The more expensive places will have some sort of dress code. The five star hotels by the river (Oriental for one) do not allow shorts after 5:00 pm.
That time of year the highs will generally be in the low 90's, lows in the low 70's. Personally, I wouldn't bother with a jacket.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1643617]Thanks Phordphan, Daddy, Natty, Wolvenvacht, Guido88 and others. To have answered just a couple of questions that I asked.
FL= FreeLancers (pretty sure).
LD = Lady Drinks.
In your experiences, do you think Thai women are more likely to let you take pics / video of the act / of them or is it like anywhere else, depending on the girl?[/QUOTE]I have never been able to convince a Thai girl to allow me to take nude pictures of her. But that says probably more about my negotiation skills than it says about anything else. My guess is that in the end, it is depending on the girl.
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In Chinatown, are the FLs / bargirls Chinese or Thai? Seems somebody commented that the girls in this area are cheaper.[/QUOTE]I have no idea. There are many Thai-Chinese mixed people, so it is difficult to tell. One word of warning: as a newbie, I would not go there. English language skills are rather poor in that area, so it is unlikely you will get serviced there unless you speak some Thai or Chinese. That area is really geared towards the locals, meaning cheap, quick and anything else but a missionary position is unlikely to be offered as a standard.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1643617]
As far as other items: beach water dispute is "clear" to me, toilets are a grey area. LOL. Now the obvious scams are a reminder to me to watch out with taxis meters, Tuk Tuks, jet skis, jewelry, Rolex watches, silk suits, barfines, ladydrinks (LD).[/QUOTE]Always insist on using the taxi-meter in Bangkok. Outside of Bangkok, negotiate before you get in the taxi. Avoid taxis that are waiting in front of hotels and tourist attractions. They will use the meter if you insist but then they will do the scenic route around the whole of Bangkok. Flagging down a cruising taxi is the safest option.
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Food seems to be very cheap, but I'm a USA steak and potatoes guy, my fear is getting the runs (had that in Mexico once) and I only know Panda Express in the states (limited Chinese food), so I guess I can go to the McDonalds and Subways, & 7 Elevens of Thailand to be happy with the food. I won't eat the bugs, the lizards or cow balls or anything "crazy" like that, I suppose they have decent food correct? I have never eaten Thai or the food!
[/QUOTE]Thai food is among the best in the world! You are more likely to get ill by eating "non native" foods such as McD or Subways. Two handy sentences to remember are "Mai pet" ("not spicy") or "Pet nit noi" ("a little spicy") if you order local food. Just avoid to drink tap water and you'll be OK. Otherwise do as the locals do: their cuisine is perfectly adapted to the local climate and circumstances.
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I researched the currency, so the denominations are.
$1,000, $500, $100, $50, $20 in bill forms.
Lesser denominations in coins are: 25 Satang, 50 Satang, 1 Baht, 2 Baht, 5 Baht, 10 Baht.
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[URL]http://www.nstravel.com/image/upload/THcurren_exposure.gif[/URL][/QUOTE]25 and 50 satang coins are very very rare. Even 1 baht and 2 baht coins are not very common. Watch out for the 500 ad 100 baht bills. They are both reddish in color and in the "red light" districts it is sometimes difficult to see the difference. It has happened to me that I tipped someone 500 baht rather than the intended 100 baht. Now I keep the 1000 and 500 baht bills in a separate section of my bill-fold. The smaller bills (100,50 and 20 baht) go into a more easily accessible part of my wallet.
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Since the weather is tropical (going in Feb) shorts are the standard dress, pants too? Are there dress codes in some places? Seems like Jan and Feb would be out of the rainy season, so a light jacket I suppose.[/QUOTE]Most of the Thai men will wear pants in town. Shorts are for youngsters, at the beach or -indeed- for tourists. Don't wear shorts when going to a temple, most museums or fancy restaurants. Thai girls love "sharp dressed men"! I usually wear pants with zip-off trouser legs. Depending on the circumstances I can adapt! When going to the agogo-clubs I wear pants, a clean short-sleeve shirt and I took a shower before going out. Jackets are not necessary unless you intend to do business. I find a small umbrella much more useful than a jacket.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1643617]
Food seems to be very cheap, but I'm a USA steak and potatoes guy, my fear is getting the runs (had that in Mexico once) and I only know Panda Express in the states (limited Chinese food), so I guess I can go to the McDonalds and Subways, & 7 Elevens of Thailand to be happy with the food. I won't eat the bugs, the lizards or cow balls or anything "crazy" like that, I suppose they have decent food correct? I have never eaten Thai or the food!
.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry, do forgive me, but I had to laugh, in a nice way, when I read Panda Express as having any relationship to Thai food. Other than they "might " both be Asian, and might both have rice dishes. I thought things like the Discovery Channel had made the world a much closer if not exactly homogenous place. I would love to go back 35 years to my first time to Thailand where I had never encountered Tom Yam, Somtam etc (nor Mekong whisky!) I think its great in this world of well traveled, ocassionallyflea bitten, rough at the edges mongers, there are still people who haven't yet taken their first Thai trip and are curious about how it will be.
Since those 35 years ago, having eaten crocodile fillet, lambs brains (simmered then topped with a warm lemon squeeze) , elephant, dog, cat, horse, snake, bee larvae, river eels, chicken cooked in its own blood, scorpions, frogs, and too many animals balls to count, I seem to have forgotten those innocent far off days when I would think that my local Chinese takeway had any relationship to anything Thai.
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Since the weather is tropical (going in Feb) shorts are the standard dress, pants too? Are there dress codes in some places? Seems like Jan and Feb would be out of the rainy season, so a light jacket I suppose.[/QUOTE]
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If you enjoy looking like a tourist, by all means wear shorts and a t-shirt in Bangkok. A backwards baseball cap completes the ensemble. (If you must dress like this, please also wear sandals with black socks. That way they'll think you're German and not American) If you want to look like a moderately sane adult, wear long pants. I'll get grief for saying this. But in most countries adults do not wear shorts. In Thailand only manual laborers and very poor men wear shorts. The exception is the beach. However, the same fate awaits your nuts if you walk around Pattaya in a Speedo. LOL.
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[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1643801]
Most of the Thai men will wear pants in town. Shorts are for youngsters, at the beach or -indeed- for tourists. Don't wear shorts when going to a temple, most museums or fancy restaurants. Thai girls love "sharp dressed men"! I usually wear pants with zip-off trouser legs. Depending on the circumstances I can adapt! When going to the agogo-clubs I wear pants, a clean short-sleeve shirt and I took a shower before going out. Jackets are not necessary unless you intend to do business. I find a small umbrella much more useful than a jacket.[/QUOTE]Although Phordphan's and Wolvenvacht's comments are accurate by all means please bring shorts and t-shirts with you. If you go outside wearing long pants and closed shoes you will sweat your ass off after 100 metres already (or 100 yards in your case). In the daytime it's simply too hot to be dressed like that IMHO.
When you get here you will notice that the majority of the mongerers wears a short, t-shirt and either flip flops, sandals or closed (sport) shoes. With the exception of Arabic and Indian men mostly.
Even at night when most of us go out hunting for pussy the majority still wears this outfit. Personally I change to long pants and socks in closed shoes at night because the temperature is bearable by that time and because I know the ladies appreciate it. Usually the ladies dress themselves nicely as well when you barfine them and they don't like to walk hand in hand with a shabby looking man.
However some people at this forum think it doesn't make any difference how you dress because in the end the only thing the girls care about is your money. But it's not my intention to start this debate again.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1643810]Although Phordphan's and Wolvenvacht's comments are accurate by all means please bring shorts and t-shirts with you. If you go outside wearing long pants and closed shoes you will sweat your ass off after 100 metres already (or 100 yards in your case). In the daytime it's simply too hot to be dressed like that IMHO.
[/QUOTE]Don't forget, the dude's from Vegas. Temps of 114 F (46 C) are not uncommon in the summer. 90 F (32 C) is going to seem rather nice. Although BKK certainly has more humidity.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1643801]
Most of the Thai men will wear pants in town. Shorts are for youngsters, at the beach or -indeed- for tourists. Don't wear shorts when going to a temple, most museums or fancy restaurants. Thai girls love "sharp dressed men"! I usually wear pants with zip-off trouser legs. Depending on the circumstances I can adapt! When going to the agogo-clubs I wear pants, a clean short-sleeve shirt and I took a shower before going out. Jackets are not necessary unless you intend to do business. I find a small umbrella much more useful than a jacket.[/QUOTE]I fully agree with this. Thai Girls and most Asian women are suckers for sharp dressed men. And if you are a sharply dressed foreigner in BKK its even more of a novelty for them as they hardly ever see that, especially in the tourist areas. Also the way you are dressed makes a huge difference in the way you are treated in BKK by the locals. You are not given the tourist attitude which is pretty much "lets screw you for all you are worth" but people will start to be more respectful, take you seriously and wait on you hand and toe.
I have experimented with this many times during my numerous BKK trips these last 2 years. On my most recent trip I wore a v-neck and a pair of shorts with flip flops and went to Baccarra. Although I pulled a cutie it wasn't smooth sailing and even the staff and doormen could not give a damn. The next day I work a Jacket, tailored pants and a nice v-neck underneath. The doormen were begging me to get into their bars, literally dragging me inside, giving me a private booth, top of the range girls coming over without having to call them.
This was a conscious experiment.
I have tested this in the Malls, Restaurants and everywhere service oriented in Bangkok. I have a lot of Thai friends as well and when we go out, appearance is a huge deal to them. They would rather not be seen with you if you dress like a tourist. I have tested this theory many times and confirm without a doubt to be true.
Most tourists in BKK don't even dress well when going clubbing. I always make sure I have a nice thin lightweight jacket on before going to a high-end club and have never once have to stand in line. The doormen usher you in because the impression you project makes them think you are a client of value and will spend big bucks. You don't have to spend once you are in but the impression never hurts.
So my advice is, if you are going out sightseeing and walking most of the day around BKK, be comfortable, but if you are going out to any service oriented venue in BKK like a Gogo or Restaurant at the very least look presentable. Shorts and T-shirt will get you what you want but leave a bad impression of you and it will eventually reflect on the service you receive.
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In Chinatown, are the FLs / bargirls Chinese or Thai? Seems somebody commented that the girls in this area are cheaper.[/QUOTE]No, don't go there as a newbie! Start with the beer bars, go go's and massage parlors (not necessarily in that order). Once you are familiar with the scene and feel confident enough, maybe at your second or third visit to Thailand, you might want to explore the freelancer scene. And then it's best to start in a disco or club or at Beach Road Pattaya or Nana Plaza parking lot Bangkok but certainly not in Chinatown Bangkok.
The scene here is totally different from the USA and everywhere you go the girls will know within seconds that you're a newbie and they will take advantage of that. You'll have to learn how to handle these girls and the best way to learn that is in the beer bars, go go's and massage parlors. Freelancers and most certainly street walkers are usually more tough to handle.
OIC says the Blindman.
Thanks with the help on these subtle areas of discussion.
Re: food, photography, beaches, scams, greenhorn, clothing, weather, money.
One thing I left out is the internet / cell phone subject. And I really like first hand knowledge on these things.
In my research, I have gathered that wifi is widespread in BKK and depending on the hotel it can either cost some or may be free for those that are staying at that particular hotel.
So, do you recommend bringing a laptop or a tablet? And if so, do you put that item in the hotel-room safe? Is the safe big enough for that?
I have read that I can just buy a throw away phone at a 7/11 w / SIM card and use it while there, it comes with minutes. I don't know prices on this, but that's probably what I will do.
Now some of you might know and some may not know, but I use Gmail and have a free phone number associated with Gmail that I make calls to and from and text message, would this Gmail feature work in BKK (as far as calling the states via Gmail)? I know you cannot call to foreign countries.
Now I know the questions I have irritate some of you on here, you don't want to answer questions from a newbie, I understand, but some knowledge is just not out there in detail. You guys seem to be on the pulse, so that's why I ask.
On another subject for those that live in Asia- BKK, you as an American, do you find it hard to be around the Asian accent for a long period of time? I don't want to sound mean or rude, but it just seems to me that a person can take it for awhile but it could be irritating after a long period of time (a month). Wouldn't you seek out English speakers at some point?
Google voice uses the phone cellular network, it is not voice over IP. I use Vonage extensions or Skype to call back to the USA.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1643934]OIC says the Blindman.
Thanks with the help on these subtle areas of discussion.
Re: food, photography, beaches, scams, greenhorn, clothing, weather, money.
One thing I left out is the internet / cell phone subject. And I really like first hand knowledge on these things.
In my research, I have gathered that wifi is widespread in BKK and depending on the hotel it can either cost some or may be free for those that are staying at that particular hotel.
So, do you recommend bringing a laptop or a tablet? And if so, do you put that item in the hotel-room safe? Is the safe big enough for that?
I have read that I can just buy a throw away phone at a 7/11 w / SIM card and use it while there, it comes with minutes. I don't know prices on this, but that's probably what I will do...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1643934]OIC says the Blindman.
Thanks with the help on these subtle areas of discussion.
Re: food, photography, beaches, scams, greenhorn, clothing, weather, money.[/QUOTE]It was a pleasure to be able to help. Of course, I do it to increase my good karma, which for sure will assist me with the Thai girls.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1643934]
One thing I left out is the internet / cell phone subject. And I really like first hand knowledge on these things.
In my research, I have gathered that wifi is widespread in BKK and depending on the hotel it can either cost some or may be free for those that are staying at that particular hotel.
So, do you recommend bringing a laptop or a tablet? And if so, do you put that item in the hotel-room safe? Is the safe big enough for that?[/QUOTE]I always bring my laptop / tablet and had no problem putting it in the safe. Of course it is not a huge laptop, for size think of a largish "netbook". I could even put my camera in the safe together with the laptop.
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I have read that I can just buy a throw away phone at a 7/11 w / SIM card and use it while there, it comes with minutes. I don't know prices on this, but that's probably what I will do.[/QUOTE]Why do you need a throw-away phone? You don't know anyone in Thailand to call.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1643934]
Now some of you might know and some may not know, but I use Gmail and have a free phone number associated with Gmail that I make calls to and from and text message, would this Gmail feature work in BKK (as far as calling the states via Gmail)? I know you cannot call to foreign countries.[/QUOTE]First time I heard of this, but I guess it will not work in Thailand.
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Now I know the questions I have irritate some of you on here, you don't want to answer questions from a newbie, I understand, but some knowledge is just not out there in detail. You guys seem to be on the pulse, so that's why I ask.
On another subject for those that live in Asia- BKK, you as an American, do you find it hard to be around the Asian accent for a long period of time? I don't want to sound mean or rude, but it just seems to me that a person can take it for awhile but it could be irritating after a long period of time (a month). Wouldn't you seek out English speakers at some point?[/QUOTE]Since you don't speak a word of Thai it will just sound as background noise to you. The people you interact with will speak (some form of) English. Mind you, Thai speak a special form of English, called "Thinglish" which is English words but Thai grammar and tones. Very cute but not always easy to fully and clearly understand. However it never bothered me at all but I am not an American, I'm Belgian and so few people in the world speak my native language that I never expect to hear it spoken by someone abroad. Actually, when I'm abroad in a country which language I speak, after a few days I start to think in that language as well, so I don't miss it.
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On another subject for those that live in Asia- BKK, you as an American, do you find it hard to be around the Asian accent for a long period of time? I don't want to sound mean or rude, but it just seems to me that a person can take it for awhile but it could be irritating after a long period of time (a month). Wouldn't you seek out English speakers at some point?[/QUOTE]Actually the opposite seems to happen. You start talking more like the locals. The Thai accent (not language) can be irritating but its never got me running to native English speakers for comfort. We are here to experience the culture so just enjoy it and take everything in stride.
[QUOTE=Uzinuzin;1640194]That is a good point, I think they use those exchange rates on that website for cash / note exchanges at their exchange kiosks. But Bangkok Bank also now offer on their ATM to exchange money when you are withdrawing, it asks the question just before giving you the money. Should never accept that, say no, they also show the rate there, it is even worse than what is on that website!?[/QUOTE]Seems to the same technique as when you're offered to be charged in USD using you credit card (DCC). Before fees, MC or Visa rates aren't bad.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1643934]In my research, I have gathered that wifi is widespread in BKK and depending on the hotel it can either cost some or may be free for those that are staying at that particular hotel.
So, do you recommend bringing a laptop or a tablet? And if so, do you put that item in the hotel-room safe? Is the safe big enough for that?
I have read that I can just buy a throw away phone at a 7/11 w / SIM card and use it while there, it comes with minutes. I don't know prices on this, but that's probably what I will do.
On another subject for those that live in Asia- BKK, you as an American, do you find it hard to be around the Asian accent for a long period of time? I don't want to sound mean or rude, but it just seems to me that a person can take it for awhile but it could be irritating after a long period of time (a month). Wouldn't you seek out English speakers at some point?[/QUOTE]Internet is almost always free at the moderately priced hotels. You'll pay through the nose for it at most 5-star places. Go figure. However, the quality and speed vary greatly.
Yes, if you need to do some work bring a notebook or tablet. A tablet or small (11 inch, or so) notebook will fit into the room safes, at least most of them. Larger ones, say 14" or larger, will not fit in most of the in-room safes.
You'll only need a local number if you intend to call locals frequently. An exception is calling the USA for work, or something. Generally the price per minute to call the USA is cheaper on a Thai phone than using your USA-based phone, even with an international calling plan. Contact your carrier for more information. If you only call home occasionally, simply get an international voice / data plan from your carrier and bring your regular phone. My Verizon phone works fine in Thailand, Malaysia (but f*cking expensive), Singapore, Vietnam. I simply use my local phone to communicate with my GF.
I find the Thai language rather melodic. Not as nice as, say, Sinhalese, but much more enjoyable to listen to than Chinese. But, you will definitely get tired of trying to talk to bar girls, unless they already have a semi-decent command of English. The standard battery of "Hi (with proffered hand because ALL falang shake hands when greeting someone). Where you flom? What you name? How many baby? Where you stay in Thailand?" gets really old, really fast. If you can find ones who can carry on a conversation you'll have few problems. You'll just need a bit of patience while learning their different speaking rhythms and sentence structure. (For instance, Thai has no plurals and few, if any, articles).
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1644632]Internet is almost always free at the moderately priced hotels. You'll pay through the nose for it at most 5-star places. Go figure. However, the quality and speed vary greatly.[/QUOTE]Internet is free at the Sofitel Sukhumvit. You can pay for a high (er) speed connection.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1643934]OIC says the Blindman.
Thanks with the help on these subtle areas of discussion.
Re: food, photography, beaches, scams, greenhorn, clothing, weather, money.
One thing I left out is the internet / cell phone subject. And I really like first hand knowledge on these things.
In my research, I have gathered that wifi is widespread in BKK and depending on the hotel it can either cost some or may be free for those that are staying at that particular hotel.
So, do you recommend bringing a laptop or a tablet? And if so, do you put that item in the hotel-room safe? Is the safe big enough for that?
I have read that I can just buy a throw away phone at a 7/11 w / SIM card and use it while there, it comes with minutes. I don't know prices on this, but that's probably what I will do.
Now some of you might know and some may not know, but I use Gmail and have a free phone number associated with Gmail that I make calls to and from and text message, would this Gmail feature work in BKK (as far as calling the states via Gmail)? I know you cannot call to foreign countries.
Now I know the questions I have irritate some of you on here, you don't want to answer questions from a newbie, I understand, but some knowledge is just not out there in detail. You guys seem to be on the pulse, so that's why I ask.
On another subject for those that live in Asia- BKK, you as an American, do you find it hard to be around the Asian accent for a long period of time? I don't want to sound mean or rude, but it just seems to me that a person can take it for awhile but it could be irritating after a long period of time (a month). Wouldn't you seek out English speakers at some point?[/QUOTE]You definitely will want a phone for a couple of reasons. First and for most you will need a phone for when you find a hot little pooying (thai woman) and want to see her again. Texting her before you go to her bar can be a great advantage if you want to be the one who barfines her that night, other wise it's just hit and miss.
For freelancers it's a must because if you find a good one then you can get her number and just text her and get direct to your door delivery (taxi fare not included).
I always bring a smart phone unlocked for asia sim cards, but you can also find them very cheap in the malls at the small phone stands. Last time I bought one there it was a samsung s4 copy that I purchased for all of 3000 baht. It had a crappy camera but all the apps worked on it including skype viber etc. You can use the free wifi at 4 bucks coffee or any other place that has free wifi.
I set up skype with friends and family I want to be able to talk with when I'm in thailand and we both go online and talk for free. If not then you can get a skype subscription and pay pennies / min.
Last but not least, minor emergencies. Make sure you carry a card from your hotel to show to the motorbike taxi's, but bare in mind that not all thai motorbike taxi drivers can read. With a phone you can call your hotel and have them direct the motorbike taxi to your hotel.
As for the food, eat it and enjoy it but most importantly, share it with the thai girls. I always buy 5 or 6 extra of the barbeque pork skewers you can find literally everywhere on the streets of bkk. They are deeeeelicious (aloi mak mak in thai) and its well known that the way to a thai girls heart / pussy is through her stomach. Thais love to share food.
I've only been sick once in the 40 years I've been going to thailand, and that was from the food at a western oriented mid class restaurant in bkk and that was easily fixed by a single pill from an all night pharmacy very near to nana plaza.
Anyway enjoy yourself, thailand can be a great place to visit and monger. LAT.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1644632]
Yes, if you need to do some work bring a notebook or tablet. A tablet or small (11 inch, or so) notebook will fit into the room safes, at least most of them. Larger ones, say 14" or larger, will not fit in most of the in-room safes.[/QUOTE]I have a 14" laptop and it fits in almost all of the in-room safes.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1644706]I have a 14" laptop and it fits in almost all of the in-room safes.[/QUOTE]I go with an unlocked smart phone and get a sim card as Line app is even better than a phone number in my opinion. Makes it is easier to hook up with non P4P locals as well.
I ll be arriving in BKK this Friday. Its my first trip to Thailand. I read where you have to have 10000 baht on you at customs at the airport. Do they actually make you pull out the money and show them? I plan on splitting my time between BKK and Pattaya for 5 days then flying my GF from the Phils over for a trip to Hua Hin. I really don't want to send her the 10000 baht in advance if I can avoid that. Is it absolutely necessary for her to have the money on arrival? I ll be waiting right out side customs for her.
[QUOTE=W20415;1644863]I ll be arriving in BKK this Friday. Its my first trip to Thailand. I read where you have to have 10000 baht on you at customs at the airport. Do they actually make you pull out the money and show them? I plan on splitting my time between BKK and Pattaya for 5 days then flying my GF from the Phils over for a trip to Hua Hin. I really don't want to send her the 10000 baht in advance if I can avoid that. Is it absolutely necessary for her to have the money on arrival? I ll be waiting right out side customs for her.[/QUOTE]Yes, for the first timer visitors, like from Philippine, the custom may ask to show the money they have. But be careful, certainly not in baht it is in USD.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1643763]
If you darken the door of McD's, or Subway, I'll personally fly to BKK and cut off your nuts with a rusty knife. Thailand has, by far, the best street food in the world.
[/QUOTE]Agreed on the food. However any USA fast food chain is a great place to take a dump worldwide.
Guido88.
[QUOTE=MuaTur;1644872]Yes, for the first timer visitors, like from Philippine, the custom may ask to show the money they have. But be careful, certainly not in baht it is in USD.[/QUOTE]It may be asked at immigration, not customs. They may give her a bit of hard time. The best is that she makes clear that she is on a vacation, has no intention to work in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Guido88;1645448]Agreed on the food. However any USA fast food chain is a great place to take a dump worldwide.
Guido88.[/QUOTE]So when you get the runs from the Thai food you go to a USA fast food chain to take a dump. Sounds good to me, LOL!
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1645486]So when you get the runs from the Thai food you go to a USA fast food chain to take a dump. Sounds good to me, LOL![/QUOTE]LOL That's the circle of life. Unfortunately been there done that, 3 days of Norovirus in BKK damn near killed me.
Guido88.
[QUOTE=Guido88;1645497]LOL That's the circle of life. Unfortunately been there done that, 3 days of Norovirus in BKK damn near killed me.
Guido88.[/QUOTE]Did you have tests done to determine it was norovirus?
[QUOTE=W20415;1644863]I ll be arriving in BKK this Friday. Its my first trip to Thailand. I read where you have to have 10000 baht on you at customs at the airport. Do they actually make you pull out the money and show them? I plan on splitting my time between BKK and Pattaya for 5 days then flying my GF from the Phils over for a trip to Hua Hin. I really don't want to send her the 10000 baht in advance if I can avoid that. Is it absolutely necessary for her to have the money on arrival? I ll be waiting right out side customs for her.[/QUOTE]Wanted to add, your GF's problems travelling can begin in the in Philippines. Immigration may prevent her from leaving at the airport, sometime they extort money. You can easily find info on this craziness.
I don't do Google voice, so I can't comment on it.
As others have noted, you can use an American cell phone in Thailand, but the roaming charges will be outrageous. I recommend getting on the Bay of E and searching for an "unlocked GSM cell phone. " You'll find hundreds to choose from. If you want to splash out, you can spend big money for the latest iPhone or Samsung Galaxy. Or you can get a cheap flip phone or slider phone. I got a older Motorola with a slide out keyboard to make it easier to text. If I'm in a noisy bar it's easier to text than it is to talk on the phone. Plus of course you don't need to connect in real time. Finally lots of the girls prefer to text instead of chat person-to-person. Once you get to Thailand you can buy a SIM card at the airport. All the major cell carriers have booths just past the customs checkpoint. You can purchase a voice / text plan if you have an older phone. If you're rocking the smartphone you can get a voice / data plan, usually an all-you-can-eat in 30 days deal. Make sure you change enough money into baht to buy your SIM card. (The money changers are on the AIR side of customs.)
I need to be able to work remotely when I'm in Thailand, so I bring a laptop. My machine is too big for most safes, but I've never worried about leaving in my hotel room when I go out. (I should note, however, that I stay in nice hotels. If you're lodging in some backpacker hovel the risk might be greater.) I set up a Skype account before I leave on my trip. If I need to call back to the United States I can use either my cell phone (if I'm out and about) or Skype on the computer (when I'm in my hotel or any other place with wi-fi). You'll need a USB or Bluetooth headset, but those are super cheap.
Note: You can also wait until you begin your holiday to buy your phone, SIM card and headset. In Bangkok make your way to the MBK Center. In Pattaya find the Tukcom Center. Both are multistory shopping places that sell all things electronic. If you can't find it at the MBK or Tukcom you don't need it.
I don't need to take incoming calls from the USA, mostly because of the time difference. It's usually enough that people leave a voice mail for me back in the Land of Fat Angry Feminist Chicks and I return the call at my leisure. If you need to accept incoming calls you can e-mail people your Thai cell number. But they'll pay for an international call and of course that gives away where you are. You can work around this by paying a small fee to Skype for a virtual phone number in any area code you choose. Anybody who wants to reach you can call that number, which is *not* an international call because it's a USA Area code. Skype than connects the call to your Skype app on your laptop (which has voice mail if you don't answer). For an extra charge, Skype will forward the call to your Thai cell phone. So your boss dials (404) xxx-xxxx and through the miracle of modern commo your cell phone rings as you lounge poolside on holiday. (Actually, the time difference makes that unlikely, but you get the idea.)
Finally, if you're on the down low while in Thailand be advised that your e-mail headers will give away your location. This can be cured by using a proxy site. But that's a discussion for another day.
Bunky
[QUOTE=Bunky;1645719]I don't do Google voice, so I can't comment on it.
As others have noted, you can use an American cell phone in Thailand, but the roaming charges will be outrageous. I recommend getting on the Bay of E and searching for an "unlocked GSM cell phone. " You'll find hundreds to choose from. If you want to splash out, you can spend big money for the latest iPhone or Samsung Galaxy. Or you can get a cheap flip phone or slider phone. I got a older Motorola with a slide out keyboard to make it easier to text. If I'm in a noisy bar it's easier to text than it is to talk on the phone. Plus of course you don't need to connect in real time. Finally lots of the girls prefer to text instead of chat person-to-person. Once you get to Thailand you can buy a SIM card at the airport. All the major cell carriers have booths just past the customs checkpoint. You can purchase a voice / text plan if you have an older phone. If you're rocking the smartphone you can get a voice / data plan, usually an all-you-can-eat in 30 days deal. Make sure you change enough money into baht to buy your SIM card. (The money changers are on the AIR side of customs.)
........................... that unlikely, but you get the idea.)
Finally, if you're on the down low while in Thailand be advised that your e-mail headers will give away your location. This can be cured by using a proxy site. But that's a discussion for another day.
Bunky[/QUOTE]Well said. Additionally, if you use the local WiFi network to place your call to the US, you don't get hit with a roaming charge. So when you go to any foreign city, turn off the roaming cell service and enable only WiFi. This was told to me by my Sprint rep, but haven't had a chance to use it. If you have Vonage it works beautifully.
[QUOTE=Bunky;1645719]I don't do Google voice, so I can't comment on it.
As others have noted, you can use an American cell phone in Thailand, but the roaming charges will be outrageous. I recommend getting on the Bay of E and searching for an "unlocked GSM cell phone. " You'll find hundreds to choose from. If you want to splash out, you can spend big money for the latest iPhone or Samsung Galaxy.
Bunky[/QUOTE]If you use T-Mobile or ATT you should be able to get your phone unlocked before you leave the USA. Call your cell phone carrier and have them send you a code to unlock the phone. It's easy. There are also online services that send you the unlock code for a small fee. I have never used them. When you land in LOS just buy a SIM card and you are ready to go. If you a have a smart phone, buy a SIM that includes data for internet access.
I would like to hear more about those email headers. Can I email without giving away my location using my gmail account?
[QUOTE=Bunky;1645719]I don't do Google voice, so I can't comment on it.
As others have noted, you can use an American cell phone in Thailand, but the roaming charges will be outrageous. I recommend getting on the Bay of E and searching for an "unlocked GSM cell phone. " You'll find hundreds to choose from. If you want to splash out, you can spend big money for the latest iPhone or Samsung Galaxy. Or you can get a cheap flip phone or slider phone. I got a older Motorola with a slide out keyboard to make it easier to text. If I'm in a noisy bar it's easier to text than it is to talk on the phone. Plus of course you don't need to connect in real time. Finally lots of the girls prefer to text instead of chat person-to-person. Once you get to Thailand you can buy a SIM card at the airport. All the major cell carriers have booths just past the customs checkpoint. You can purchase a voice / text plan if you have an older phone. If you're rocking the smartphone you can get a voice / data plan, usually an all-you-can-eat in 30 days deal. Make sure you change enough money into baht to buy your SIM card. (The money changers are on the AIR side of customs.)
I need to be able to work remotely when I'm in Thailand, so I bring a laptop. My machine is too big for most safes, but I've never worried about leaving in my hotel room when I go out. (I should note, however, that I stay in nice hotels. If you're lodging in some backpacker hovel the risk might be greater.) I set up a Skype account before I leave on my trip. If I need to call back to the United States I can use either my cell phone (if I'm out and about) or Skype on the computer (when I'm in my hotel or any other place with wi-fi). You'll need a USB or Bluetooth headset, but those are super cheap.[/QUOTE]Bunky,
What do you mean e-mail headers? I am not familiar with that.
I myself get the people I need to talk with from home to use Viber. I did this almost a year before I went to Thailand. Viber works excellent in Thailand and none will know you are gone. I used google voice a year ago and it worked great. But this year the google voice was not working perfect. I do not know what happened with this.
Turn off roaming when you get to Thailand and before you pay for your hotel. Ask to see the room and test WiFi in room. Usually it works great.
[QUOTE=Bunky;1645719]As others have noted, you can use an American cell phone in Thailand, but the roaming charges will be outrageous.
Bunky[/QUOTE]I've heard this from many people on ISG. However, here is my experience: my carrier is AT&T; my phone is not unlocked; my plan is called Nation 450 with roll over; I have no domestic (USA) roaming charges; in Bangkok I pay a flat US $10, which allows me to use my cell phone for voice and text messages while I am there; I have no idea what the limits are; whatever they are I've never exceeded them in a 3 weeks stay.
I'm a T-mobile subscriber, when traveling I switch my Samsung Galaxy to Wi-Fi calling. No charge for text or voice to US when using this feature. I can receive calls too. Person calling thinks I'm in the US. Most smartphones have this feature, check your call settings. If you don't have it, (iphone doesn't,) go to the app store and get a Wi-Fi calling app.
Skype also has a smartphone app. Caveat: Even though I'm connected to Wi-Fi, sometimes the call and text connection drops. (It depends on the Wi-Fi signal.) But Viber, Whatsapp, and Skype stay connected.
[QUOTE=JavaMan;1645999]I'm a T-mobile subscriber, when traveling I switch my Samsung Galaxy to Wi-Fi calling. No charge for text or voice to US when using this feature. I can receive calls too. Person calling thinks I'm in the US. Most smartphones have this feature, check your call settings. If you don't have it, (iphone doesn't,) go to the app store and get a Wi-Fi calling app.
Skype also has a smartphone app. Caveat: Even though I'm connected to Wi-Fi, sometimes the call and text connection drops. (It depends on the Wi-Fi signal.) But Viber, Whatsapp, and Skype stay connected.[/QUOTE]Viber can only be used if the person or business you are calling in the USA also has Viber installed. You need a good, strong wi fi signal for it to work reliably. I have a few friends that have Viber but I can't call my work using Viber. I pay B399 for a SIM with free calls / text and 1 GB of 3G speed internet. In most places in BKK and Pattaya, Thai 3G is much faster than USA 3 G. That plan is good for one month. I have found that the airports desks seem to charge more for their SIM cards. The airport 7-11 (one or two levels lower) has better deals on SIM cards.
[QUOTE=Allover;1646118]I pay B399 for a SIM with free calls / text and 1 GB of 3G speed internet. In most places in BKK and Pattaya, Thai 3G is much faster than USA 3 G.[/QUOTE]Begs a Question: Which SIM card?
[QUOTE=JavaMan;1646185]Begs a Question: Which SIM card?[/QUOTE]I had picked up AIS with similar package. 3 G was really good. Did last me 5 days of heavy usage including Google maps wherever I went.
[QUOTE=W20415;1644863]I ll be arriving in BKK this Friday. Its my first trip to Thailand. I read where you have to have 10000 baht on you at customs at the airport. Do they actually make you pull out the money and show them? I plan on splitting my time between BKK and Pattaya for 5 days then flying my GF from the Phils over for a trip to Hua Hin. I really don't want to send her the 10000 baht in advance if I can avoid that. Is it absolutely necessary for her to have the money on arrival? I ll be waiting right out side customs for her.[/QUOTE]I've never been asked to show my money at customs, but then it may be different for a pinay. I know a pinay that just returned from hat yai I'll ask her today and see if it's required. I just sent her a message in face book and I'll let you know as soon as she reply's.
she just replied and said that they didnt ask her to see the money just scanned and stamped her passport .
LAT.
[QUOTE=JavaMan;1645999]I'm a T-mobile subscriber, when traveling I switch my Samsung Galaxy to Wi-Fi calling. No charge for text or voice to US when using this feature. I can receive calls too. Person calling thinks I'm in the US. Most smartphones have this feature, check your call settings. If you don't have it, (iphone doesn't,) go to the app store and get a Wi-Fi calling app.
Skype also has a smartphone app. Caveat: Even though I'm connected to Wi-Fi, sometimes the call and text connection drops. (It depends on the Wi-Fi signal.) But Viber, Whatsapp, and Skype stay connected.[/QUOTE]I also use Tmobile and have a galaxy. I have the wi fi switch. Is your phone unlocked? I leave tomorrow.
[QUOTE=W20415;1646384]I also use Tmobile and have a galaxy. I have the wi fi switch. Is your phone unlocked? I leave tomorrow.[/QUOTE]Call and switch over to the Simple Choice Plan so you can have free internet.
[QUOTE=W20415;1646384]I also use Tmobile and have a galaxy. I have the wi fi switch. Is your phone unlocked? I leave tomorrow.[/QUOTE]Yes, mine is unlocked. I leave Tues.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1646921]You seriously underestimate the power of the feminists in Western countries. The US military is practically dominated by a board of women (with a significant percentage of lesbians) who do nothing but look for discrimination and "bias" in the military and the generals cower in fear. Much of US domestic policy is now based upon the rantings of neurotic women. VAWA is only one example. The outlawing of any sort of P4 P, with draconian punishment, is one symptom of a society run by militant leftist feminists. Look at the current US shield laws (the woman is protected, the man is not), the war on masculinity, extremely biased divorce laws, etc. , etc.
Oh, and checking for pictures, when entering the USA, is most definitely NOT illegal. There are court rulings upholding this. Don't make ignorant statements such as this before you know the facts. It may, or may not, be legal in Europe, but it is most certainly permitted when entering the USA.[/QUOTE]I agree with this assessment, women run Hollywood, the media, and now government.
The nanny state, dysfunctional government, political correctness, and the emergence of women in government all started at the same time, around 1990.
Before President Clinton there were almost zero women in presidential administrations and then Clinton put in several in his administration. At the time I thought it was a good idea but 20 years later it was the beginning of a politically correct feminist state, their allie's are the extreme left and gays. They have hijacked the Democratic Party and are happy to twist reality and reform it to their liking.
Just watch American TV and you will see women empowerment every hour, it's built into every TV series or reality show. It's social manipulation at it's most sophisticated and they are ruthless, the bunch, Dems that is.
This is the assessment of a once proud democrat, me. All my grief and loss of freedom comes from democrats. Thankfully (for now) escape is across the border, any border.
I have a Samsung Galaxy S-3 with Cricket.
According to Cricket I have CDMA but the phone also has a SIM card. So I am confused as to bringing this phone and getting a SIM card in Thailand for their GSM networks.
I do have the WiFI switch I can use to go to WiFi networks.
I downloaded WeChat (Chinese). Been using that here in the States (not many Thais use this). I downloaded Tango and we'll see how that goes.
My Cricket account lets me do international text messaging for free. But unknown if I can do that when I actually go there and try it.
Looking forward to my trip and many thanks to the many people that have contributed to the reports here that have answered many of the newbie questions that weren't answered in other reports or other websites.
I will be going to BKK and Pattaya, booked most of my hotels stays at an average of about $40 USD a night, I booked GF (guest friendly) hotels and booked a room for 2 at all places to cover my behind just in case.
Locations I will stay at include. Soi Cowboy, Soi 33 and Nana Plaza area of BKK. In Pattaya, not sure about the area names, but near Beach Rd. Still haven't booked all nights yet.
*clothing, you guys gave great advice. And will dress according to my tastes, weather and comfort.
*food- Haven't eaten any Thai food yet, but I will, someone mentioned how to say "not spicy" in Thai, but I already forgot. This will be important!
*prices- a look into this thread gives good indicators of prices, so spend accordingly.
*lingo- I imagine a language barrier, but dollars and sex will overcum this.
Food is mai phet not spicy, or for english speakers just say "my pet". If you are in tourist areas I doubt you will find real spicy food. But watch it if you buy it from a food cart.
CDMA phones cannot be used on GSM. Last year was different. They could be unlocked. WiFi is OK. Just buy a cheap regular Samsung phone, here, about 900 BT. with SIM card for making phone calls and use the CDMA for WIFI.
I'll be hopping around SE Asia for 6 weeks starting in January. I know a few of the local low cost carriers like Cebu Air, and Tiger Air. I was wondering if there is a site similar to Expedia that has pricing from more local low cost carriers. What's your go-to site? If there isn't a site what about some more low cost carriers in SE Asia?
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1651068]I'll be hopping around SE Asia for 6 weeks starting in January. I know a few of the local low cost carriers like Cebu Air, and Tiger Air. I was wondering if there is a site similar to Expedia that has pricing from more local low cost carriers. What's your go-to site? If there isn't a site what about some more low cost carriers in SE Asia?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Try Air Asia. No thrill no frill flights. Bring snacks or bring money to buy snacks during flight.
[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1651068]I'll be hopping around SE Asia for 6 weeks starting in January. I know a few of the local low cost carriers like Cebu Air, and Tiger Air. I was wondering if there is a site similar to Expedia that has pricing from more local low cost carriers. What's your go-to site? If there isn't a site what about some more low cost carriers in SE Asia?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Air Asia serves more destinations in Asia than any other low cost carrier. If you buy in advance fares are very reasonable and sometimes dirt cheap.
I know it has been mentioned before, but having some difficulty locating it. Next week will be the King's birthday / Fathers Day in Thailand. Does everything shut down in the city for celebrations? Will it be just Friday, or all weekend? Just trying to plan accordingly.
Thank you
[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1651068]What's your go-to site? If there isn't a site what about some more low cost carriers in SE Asia? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE][URL]Kayak.com[/URL] lists the low cost SE Asia Carriers. I found airfare between Bangkok and Phnom Penh for $125USD one way on Bangkok Air.
[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1651068]I'll be hopping around SE Asia for 6 weeks starting in January. I know a few of the local low cost carriers like Cebu Air, and Tiger Air. I was wondering if there is a site similar to Expedia that has pricing from more local low cost carriers. What's your go-to site? If there isn't a site what about some more low cost carriers in SE Asia?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I just generally use the carrier's website, especially if you know where you are flying in and out from as the hubs are different.
From Bangkok: Thai Smile, Nok Air & Bangkok airlines.
From KL: Air Asia, Firefly.
From Singapore: Silk air (probably not the cheapest), Tigerair, Scoot, Jetstar.
There are probably more but I haven't used then. Also, don't overlook the larger, full service airline such as Thai or Singapore. Especially true if you have luggage or want to eat / drink on the plane. I flew to bali with the family a few years ago and Singapore Airlines was the cheapest I found.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1650964]Phones & Stuff.
I have a Samsung Galaxy S-3 with Cricket.
According to Cricket I have CDMA but the phone also has a SIM card. So I am confused as to bringing this phone and getting a SIM card in Thailand for their GSM networks.
I do have the WiFI switch I can use to go to WiFi networks.
I downloaded WeChat (Chinese). Been using that here in the States (not many Thais use this). I downloaded Tango and we'll see how that goes.
My Cricket account lets me do international text messaging for free. But unknown if I can do that when I actually go there and try it.
Looking forward to my trip and many thanks to the many people that have contributed to the reports here that have answered many of the newbie questions that weren't answered in other reports or other websites.
I will be going to BKK and Pattaya, booked most of my hotels stays at an average of about $40 USD a night, I booked GF (guest friendly) hotels and booked a room for 2 at all places to cover my behind just in case.
Locations I will stay at include. Soi Cowboy, Soi 33 and Nana Plaza area of BKK. In Pattaya, not sure about the area names, but near Beach Rd. Still haven't booked all nights yet.
*clothing, you guys gave great advice. And will dress according to my tastes, weather and comfort.
*food- Haven't eaten any Thai food yet, but I will, someone mentioned how to say "not spicy" in Thai, but I already forgot. This will be important!
*prices- a look into this thread gives good indicators of prices, so spend accordingly.
*lingo- I imagine a language barrier, but dollars and sex will overcum this.[/QUOTE]I was familar with wechat but not tango, downloaded tango and it allows you to search for nearby phones anywhere you point to on a map no matter where you are, whereas wechat only allows searches near where you are are present.
[QUOTE=Allover;1651099]Air Asia serves more destinations in Asia than any other low cost carrier. If you buy in advance fares are very reasonable and sometimes dirt cheap.[/QUOTE]Than they nickle and dime you to death.
[QUOTE=JesseJames;1651292]Than they nickle and dime you to death.[/QUOTE]Not really. As long as you don't get over the luggage limits (7 kg carry-on, or however much extra luggage you paid for), you'll be fine, no mandatory extra charges. AirAsia is straightforward, unlike some crappy low-cost airlines that try to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] you at each opportunity (for instance, charge $100 if you forget to print your boarding pass).
[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1651068]I'll be hopping around SE Asia for 6 weeks starting in January. I know a few of the local low cost carriers like Cebu Air, and Tiger Air. I was wondering if there is a site similar to Expedia that has pricing from more local low cost carriers. What's your go-to site? If there isn't a site what about some more low cost carriers in SE Asia?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]My go-to site is ITA Matrix, useful to compare various dates and airport combinations.
For low-cost, it's best to check the specific carrier site (e. G. AirAsia). Keep in mind that low-cost airlines sometimes operate from non-major airports (in Bangkok Don Mueang DMK instead of BKK, in PI Angeles / Clark CRK instead of MNL and so on).
In Thailand, check AirAsia, Nok Air and Thai Lion Air.
[QUOTE=Allover;1651099]Air Asia serves more destinations in Asia than any other low cost carrier. If you buy in advance fares are very reasonable and sometimes dirt cheap.[/QUOTE]Air Asia flights are comfy (stewardesses are cute), they are generally on time, and they let you increase your baggage allowance by paying online for very reasonable rates. Nice if you are coming back after doing a lot of shopping.
Buts it's still a low budget operation and there can be surprises. For example, they cancelled the flight I was planning to take to and from Manila-Shanghai about two weeks before the flight. I was able to reschedule my hotel and other flights. But it was still a pain in the ass and I had to pay to change my ticket home on another airline.
Something to be mindful of when dealing with this or and other low budget airlines.
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1651338]Air Asia flights are comfy (stewardesses are cute), they are generally on time, and they let you increase your baggage allowance by paying online for very reasonable rates. Nice if you are coming back after doing a lot of shopping.
Buts it's still a low budget operation and there can be surprises. For example, they cancelled the flight I was planning to take to and from Manila-Shanghai about two weeks before the flight. I was able to reschedule my hotel and other flights. But it was still a pain in the ass and I had to pay to change my ticket home on another airline.
[/QUOTE]I agree. Air Asia is generally very good and economical airlines. I have flown them many times, but they have also cancelled flights and changed times on me several times recently and it took up to 3 months to receive a Visa card credit for the cancelled or changed flights. Notably they changed the flight time of my Macau to Manila flight to the next day so I cancelled my ticket as a result. They also discontinued their route from AC to Puerto Princessa a week before I was scheduled to fly. I cancelled my trip to Palawan on account of that screw up and went to Subic instead.
Come to think of it all my cancelled or changed times Air Asia flights had one feature in common: a Philippine connection. I have never had a problem with Air Asia in connection with flights to or from any other country in SE Asia. I have flown them from BKK to Phuket, Phnom Penh, Macau, Singapore, KL, and Jakarta without any problems. Look for the low fare rates. Note: Air Asia uses Bangkok - Don Mueang (DMK) as its Thai hub not Suvarnabhumi (BKK) which actually is not bad because it is much less crowded. Pay in advance for your luggage weight and front row seating for a trouble free flight.
I now prefer just about any airlines over Air Asia for flights to and from the PI . Cebu Pacific is good and very cheap, but sometimes their flight times are not worth the savings IMHO. Philippine Airlines have much better flight times for example than Cebu Pacific and they are cheaper than Thai Air to Manila.
Seems like everyone in Thailand now knows the poor Burmese guys in Koh Tao didn't do the murders and were fitted up for it. Its very well know who the real culprits were and connected. All the taxi drivers seem to know all about it as an example. The British police know very well as well. Its an incredibly bad joke.
I can't see myself ever going to Koh Tao again unless the corruption gets weeded out.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1652225]Seems like everyone in Thailand now knows the poor Burmese guys in Koh Tao didn't do the murders and were fitted up for it. Its very well know who the real culprits were and connected. All the taxi drivers seem to know all about it as an example. The British police know very well as well. Its an incredibly bad joke.
I can't see myself ever going to Koh Tao again unless the corruption gets weeded out.[/QUOTE]Corruption in Thai police force is not limited to Koh Tao. It is everywhere in Thailand. And Burmese are commonly made scapegoats by Thai police.
[QUOTE=Ikksman;1652246]Corruption in Thai police force is not limited to Koh Tao. It is everywhere in Thailand. And Burmese are commonly made scapegoats by Thai police.[/QUOTE]This situation was expected, after weeks of investigation they came to a dead end and the spot light was on them! It is no surprise t me at least they came up with two scapegoats. At this point it is not about justice it is about them loosing face and they will carry this to the end!
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1652225]
I can't see myself ever going to Koh Tao again unless the corruption gets weeded out.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/447000/thailand-improves-in-corruption-index[/URL] - They seem to have gone up several places on the corruption index, wonder if that is reflected on the ground?
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1655352]Demand for P4P is not as inelastic as you think. It's not healthcare, where you have to pay what is charged or die. Men may well have a strong urge to get laid, but triple the prices, and there will be much fewer tourists going to Pattaya twice a year getting laid 3 times per day, or sexpats geting laid twice a week. Instead, they'll sharply reduce consumption, as they do in western countries.
Prices are only one factor making Thailand a favored P4P destination. Other factors are wide availability, the fun scene, good service and the unique open-ended GFE arrangements. All are going down the drain, and might be mostly gone within a few years. There are places where P4P is cheaper than Thailand, but few people travel there for sex.[/QUOTE]I agree with you that at some point higher prices will decrease aggregate demand for the girls in LOS and elsewhere, but my point is this has not happened yet. We have all seen prices rising dramatically from the 90's and yet the number of punters going to Thailand has increased annually over the same period seemingly impervious to the increased cost. 2014 saw a decrease in overall punter numbers, but that was due to the political instability, not the price increases and there was no price rollback in 2014 which might have been expected in a less inelastic market. The only benefit I saw from the lower demand in 2014 was a markedly improved attitude in the girls I met, but this is difficult to quantify because of its personal anecdotal nature. Nonetheless, I am happy to report that the girls I encountered seemed very eager to please and thus retain an ongoing relationship with me. This was probably due to the increased competition over lower demand for their services, but prices throughout 2014 remained at all time highs or even continued to rise slightly. This is a clear sign of an inelastic labor market.
For 2015 the expectation is that punter numbers will be much higher than in 2014 and so prices will most likely continue to rise. We shall see what this does to quality of service. I repeat, no one knows when the affect of increased prices will finally have an impact on aggregate demand although at some price point they must. For now anyway, prices for Asian and South American P4 P will continue to rise every year and I believe demand will remain strong. I for one am not going to stay home or go to Africa for cheap pussy. Spending more time with my favorite working girls. Semi monogamy. Is another way to help keep a lid on rising prices. I give my favorite BKK Go Go girl the same amount that I originally gave her in 2010 when we first met. The sex is better than ever and there are no time limits. I will continue to see her and a few of my other favored girls in Pattaya, AC, Subic, and Makati. I will also meet plenty of new girls along the way and continue to have a great time in SE Asia. I love it here.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1652285]This situation was expected, after weeks of investigation they came to a dead end and the spot light was on them! It is no surprise t me at least they came up with two scapegoats. At this point it is not about justice it is about them loosing face and they will carry this to the end![/QUOTE]They did not really come to a dead end. The real culprits were well known. Money and influence overcame justice. The police got paid off to change the evidence.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1655632]They did not really come to a dead end. The real culprits were well known. Money and influence overcame justice. The police got paid off to change the evidence.[/QUOTE]These words use by me Dead End in my post originally came from a article I read on Thaivisa reqarding the investigation? They use the word Dead End after they ran out of evidence that lead no where although as you noted it really lead to money and influnence. We really agree as to what was happening the two scrapegoats is basically to focus the light away from the guilty and once they change all the evidence and the Human rights people came on the scene and saw evidence of tampering and pointed back to the BIB, knowing Thailand they were not going to backdown because they would lose face so they continue down the same road even if they look like idiots which is a good description of what they are!
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1651336]My go-to site is ITA Matrix, useful to compare various dates and airport combinations.
For low-cost, it's best to check the specific carrier site (e. G. AirAsia). Keep in mind that low-cost airlines sometimes operate from non-major airports (in Bangkok Don Mueang DMK instead of BKK, in PI Angeles / Clark CRK instead of MNL and so on).
In Thailand, check AirAsia, Nok Air and Thai Lion Air.[/QUOTE]You're absolutely right about the secondary airports. Much cheaper to fly in and out of DMK than BKK on most local flights. I've never flown in or out of DMK. Is there anything I should know? Seems like it's relatively easy to get to on the map. But as with most things in Asia I expect the unexpected.
Thanks for all the good info guys. I'm wheels up in less than a month! Leave this winter wonderland for those younger than I.
Skip this report for guys used to Smartphones and Chat Apps.
Moved from Bangkok Thread:
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1656354]Yesterday I joined 'Line' ([URL]http://line.me/en/[/URL]), one of many chat & message applications out there. Some time ago I barfined a gorgeous agogo girl and I took some pictures of her. I wanted to send her these pictures so I texted her and asked for her email address. She replied that she hasn't got one (which I doubt, I suppose she just doesn't want to give it to me) and that I could send the pics to her Line ID. I thought 'what the heck is Line?' LOL. Never heard of it, so I googled it.
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I agree that most Thai girls are not into email. They do Facebook, LINE, WhatsApp, etc. I prefer to stay away from Facebook but have had to finally join LINE and WhatsApp to make girl communications easy. Sometimes they are not in a good position to actually have verbal conversation (due to things being secret or discreet). With LINE you can connect to girls that do not know your phone number but you know theirs (you would have to say who you are). You can control LINE settings so that it does not display messages without you entering a password etc. Can have multiple LINE accounts, one per phone number with one set up on a mongering phone number. It doesn't tell girls where you are currently located. Secrecy provisions are reasonable. You don't have to give your real name, or put picture of yourself in there. Most girls are typing English in these Apps. I do type in Thai with GF though who has low English. One other girl types Thai to me and I reply in English, just because she is a little more comfortable with Thai. She actually speaks German and Swedish as well as English and Thai, but her written English is a little weak.
I believe using a Smartphone with data plan for x gigabytes per month is essential in any case. To look up things on internet, use certain smart Apps (I use Flashcards App for language study), use a Dropbox or equivalent to transfer important data, photos, etc.
GPS with Google Maps also essential to work out how to get to places efficiently, and how to avoid traffic jams by taking smart less known routes. E. g. Sukhumvit Prakhanong intersection has traffic jams due to roadwork late at night. So I found an alternate route with very low traffic, that takes half the time to get to On Nut area. I direct taxi driver's when necessary.
So any guy not using a smartphone, really is a dinosaur I think. Its just a quantum leap beyond the old phone technology, thanks to Steve Jobs. Get a good sized screen or a tablet and you do your ISG reports easily.
My next smartphone, may well be a dual SIM model, to reduce need to carry 2 phones.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1656362]With LINE you can connect to girls that do not know your phone number but you know theirs (you would have to say who you are)[/QUOTE]Can you explain how to do this?
And thanks for your comprehensive reply!
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1656371]Can you explain how to do this?
And thanks for your comprehensive reply![/QUOTE]When LINE checks your phone directory numbers, it will know if a girl has an account with that phone number. You just send her a message with LINE. If she does not have your number, she will not know who the message is coming from unless your account profile or message text makes it clear who is sending the message. So your message does not tell her your phone number automatically. That seems to be what happens to me several times. If your profile has your face picture, obviously she might recognise you. I don't use a self pic, just being very cautious. You don't know who your pic will be shown to.
At least with LINE, not everyone is seeing your messages or comments. I don't like Facebook style of seeing other people "private" messages, in some cases very inappropriate ones, or posting rubbish like "your status".
LINE is very handy for me to check with working girls whether they are working, what time they will arrive. Calling the shop, you often get wrong answers, very bad English, misunderstandings, disinterested persons working on the desk, etc. When I can get a message direct from a girl that she is on the way to work now, and will be 30 mins max., that is very useful to me. I don't like going to venues speculatively if possible.
I love the fact that a girl can message me via LINE and have no clue if I am currently in Bangkok or even in Thailand, if I don't say so. This is because I can connect to my LINE account with any SIM, even if original account phone number is not the phone number on my current SIM. My initial LINE account was on an OS phone number. I then started another account with a mongering number on a monger SIM. Not everyone knows this phone number, especially not the GF.
Another thing is LINE does not show if others persons are currently "on line" or not. This is good. A girl will not know if I am on line till I actually read her message and she gets a notification it has been read. So I have to avoid reading a message from her if I am officially "in flight between countries" but actually not in flight.
I get to know when girls are sleeping or on a booking or very busy, as have not read one of my messages for a long duration. Its much more difficult with plain SMS'es that cost for each and every message.
When I make a voice call with LINE, sometimes between countries, I find the sound quality has been better than Skype, even if using 3G phone data internet connect (not wifi). You really want to avoid paying big money for OS phone calls, except for short ones in an emergency. All I need is a reasonable internet service on phones at both ends and both parties having the same App like LINE.
I have a bit less experience with WhatsApp as only joined recently (on request of a particular girl not in Thailand). Many Thai girls have WhatsApp too but I think LINE is the most popular here. Some will have Tango too. I think Telegram is popular OS.
For guys that do not have regular girls like me (changing girls all the time), it may be a bit all unnecessary, however even send messages to buddies in same or others countries, about meeting up or whatever. Its far easier than using ISG PMs.
I added WeChat a few months ago and I like it for making free calls and texts to my favorite BKK girl while I am still in the the USA. I look forward to trying the "People Nearby" search mechanism in the Discover section when I get to BKK.
Question: When I arrive in BKK with my unlocked Samsung Galaxy and its American sim card, should I swap out my American sim card for a local Thai sim card? And if I do will my WeChat little Thai friends still be able to automatically contact me through WeChat or will I have to change my WeChat settings (or add a 2nd WeChat account) using my local Thai number? I know I can figure it out when I arrive in LOS, but I am curious. I will also be traveling to Jakarta, Macau, and Manila and I expect I will be using WeChat in those destinations as well.
Additional comments: I also loaded WhatsApp onto my phone and easily connected with my Go Go friend on that format too, but I like the layout of WeChat better. Go figure. I guess I will also add a LINE account too. I like the added benefit of being able to load it and use it on my netbook. Viber would not load on my unlocked 3 year old Samsung Galaxy.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1656362]Skip this report for guys used to Smartphones and Chat Apps.
My next smartphone, may well be a dual SIM model, to reduce need to carry 2 phones.[/QUOTE]I agree. The smartphone opens soon may opportunities in all walks of life. I have most of the social apps. A lot of girls use whatsapp, WeChat, Line, and Viber. I have them all, and a few others. It doesn't cost anything but a few minutes learning how to use them. Be careful with Facebook because they are contact working girls.
Aside from contact social type apps there are so many amazing apps that streamline life. Some of my favorites:
1. Waze: A real time traffic app just bought out by google. I use it when driving long distance as it show you where cops, hazards, and speed cameras in real time. When you see a cop you input it and everyone in the area knows it until someone comes along and reports that he's not there. It's also a navi system. I'm guessing it uses google maps software. It's a much better interface than maps.
2. List: a multi user shopping, to do, or any other kind of list. My live in can put milk on out common grocery list. Pops up on my phone and if convenient I can stop and get milk. It organizes everything grocery related in category which saves a grocery store rookie a boatload of time.
3. There are soo many picture editing apps it will make your head spin. My favorite is photoshop. But there are photo apps than can do almost anything. There are also video editing apps.
4. News apps. You can keep up to most major news outlets through your apps.
5. Sports: My favorite is Bleacher Reports where I track my favorite teams. Then each team has their more detailed apps.
6. Travel apps: All major airlines have apps where you can track your reservations and do just about anything you can on a pc. Even book travel. All the major travel sites have apps. I like Kayak, Expedia, and Agoda.
For fun I read yik yak posts, search tumblr for porn. 500 pix for photography. I pay for stuff with apple pay I also keep track of important things like boarding passes on passport on my iPhone.
All my apple devices are linked. Two macbook airs, an iPad, and two iPhones all have the same information. Pictures, calendars, emails, texts, what's on one is on all.
All this and a amazing camera, girls seem less likely to say no to a iPhone picture compared to a 35 MM camera that looks professional or even a p&s. I use the calendar for business, receive my emails from multiple accounts, use the calculator, I can view my security cameras around the house, I can even adjust my thermostat from anywhere in the world.
And then there's Facebook which is nice for keeping track of your friends.
It's a new world. I'm pushing 60 and I love this shit.
I was looking for dual simm phones in Vietnam last year but couldn't find one I felt comfortable with. I'll look again this year. Maybe BKK. Anyone use one?
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1656480]
Question: When I arrive in BKK with my unlocked Samsung Galaxy and its American sim card, should I swap out my American sim card for a local Thai sim card? And if I do will my WeChat little Thai friends still be able to automatically contact me through WeChat or will I have to change my WeChat settings (or add a 2nd WeChat account) using my local Thai number? I know I can figure it out when I arrive in LOS, but I am curious. I will also be traveling to Jakarta, Macau, and Manila and I expect I will be using WeChat in those destinations as well.
[/QUOTE]Your account should have username and password, tel number is optional. Therefore switching sim cards won't screw things up. I actually have two accounts, one for biz, and one for 'personal use' using my T1234 username! When I swap to local postpaid or prepaid, no problems remaining connected.
Another very popular app is Line, widely used also by Asians.
This may sound silly for you seasoned mobile internet veterans. Yesterday I installed the Tagged app on my smart Phone. The installation went smoothly and it said "Installed succesfully" or something like that in the end. However I cannot find the damn thing! The icon is nowhere to be found. Help....
I did a Google search but I seem to be the only one with this problem, LOL!
I believe this bad trend is due to globalization, for one the girls are finding better paying jobs in the other hand you have millions of middle class man from India and China desperet to find girls as they have killed millions of girls in their own country. Add to that that Korean girls have been westernized and you have thousands of Korean man go to phil.
In Colombia and LA you have thousand of man from Spain, usa, Canada and Italy desperate looking for pussy because we can't get girls in our own countries.
I have been a monger for many years and I'm at end of my life cycle, still will find girls for play, not like before but because I look now for quality more than quantity, but I feel bad for the new generation of mongers, it will be a though world for man. ,.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1655400]I agree with you that at some point higher prices will decrease aggregate demand for the girls in LOS and elsewhere, but my point is this has not happened yet. We have all seen prices rising dramatically from the 90's and yet the number of punters going to Thailand has increased annually over the same period seemingly impervious to the increased cost. 2014 saw a decrease in overall punter numbers, but that was due to the political instability, not the price increases and there was no price rollback in 2014 which might have been expected in a less inelastic market. The only benefit I saw from the lower demand in 2014 was a markedly improved attitude in the girls I met, but this is difficult to quantify because of its personal anecdotal nature. Nonetheless, I am happy to report that the girls I encountered seemed very eager to please and thus retain an ongoing relationship with me. This was probably due to the increased competition over lower demand for their services, but prices throughout 2014 remained at all time highs or even continued to rise slightly. This is a clear sign of an inelastic labor market.
For 2015 the expectation is that punter numbers will be much higher than in 2014 and so prices will most likely continue to rise. We shall see what this does to quality of service. I repeat, no one knows when the affect of increased prices will finally have an impact on aggregate demand although at some price point they must. For now anyway, prices for Asian and South American P4 P will continue to rise every year and I believe demand will remain strong. I for one am not going to stay home or go to Africa for cheap pussy. Spending more time with my favorite working girls. Semi monogamy. Is another way to help keep a lid on rising prices. I give my favorite BKK Go Go girl the same amount that I originally gave her in 2010 when we first met. The sex is better than ever and there are no time limits. I will continue to see her and a few of my other favored girls in Pattaya, AC, Subic, and Makati. I will also meet plenty of new girls along the way and continue to have a great time in SE Asia. I love it here.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1656678]This may sound silly for you seasoned mobile internet veterans. Yesterday I installed the Tagged app on my smart Phone. The installation went smoothly and it said "Installed succesfully" or something like that in the end. However I cannot find the damn thing! The icon is nowhere to be found. Help....
I did a Google search but I seem to be the only one with this problem, LOL![/QUOTE]Never mind. I have installed it again and now it's working fine. Must have been some kind of hick up.
I can't really speak about Bangkok, what I do know is Pattaya! I think as to what has been said as to the decline in working girls it seems the discussion is generally about Bangkok itself! The decline is not just one thing it is a little of everything for the decline? When people say the standard of living is better, minimun wages, I do not see it outside of Bangkok? As I noted, Bangkok is the only City of its kind in Thailand? What other City possess the International stuff like Business, culture, etc. That being said Bangkok itself can't alone uplift the entire nation population and provide a higher standard job for the entire country?
You take Pattaya itself. The public education system is just a sham with so many public school there is only one International school and unless you have money majority of Thai can't ever afford it, they barely can afford the uniforms each year for the public? The kids are push along and if their grades are not high enough their own public M4-M5-M6, which is like High School would not allow them to attend! That is why you see so many kids riding around in their motorbikes hanging out? English teachers are hired without the necessary qualification just to satisfy the Asean community that they are doing something? No different than each year they plaster Pattaya with wear your helmet campaign posters to satisfy the W. H. O. Who year after year give millions yet Thailand continues to rise to the number #2! It is all smoke and mirrors!
Sure some education is working but not large or fast enough to really make a difference in one area. Many up North once they finish M-3, 15 years of age can't afford or get into a higher school so what do they do? The kids hang out the girls say now what? Is that all there is to life? Maybe I should have a baby a family? So the first deadbeat kid comes along sweet mouth them and they spread their wings, she gets pregnant and we know what happens after that? This process is like a factory line throughout the country outside of Bangkok? Girl leave for the big city Bangkok or Daiseyland Pattaya, send money home to mother, sister who is taking care of kid. Some have no problem what they are doing the other ones turn a blind eye as long as money rolls in! Reality! How does a girl with basic education lie about working in a hotel etc. Send home thousands of baht, buy cars, house etc. Anyone who claims they do not know deserve to be called stupid no matter where they come from period! The basic math just does not add up!
Those of you that have been to Pattay, look around everywhere you go they want young girls working in the front lines. These jobs are at best part-time jobs in the west for teenagers? Places like 7/11, Lotus, Burger King, Big Mac, Pizza Pizza, Top Choeron, Big see, what age are the cashiers and in general working there? Ever see a older women or guy 30-S and up working? Yes sweeping up the floor or cleaning the toilet! Even being a nurse is no cat walk, go to the private hospital Bangkok / Pattaya, all young nurses catering to you hand and foot! Maybe they are there so when you get a woody that is a sign you are ready to go home? Even the nurse get dump and thereafter if they want to continue to work it is Government!
The discrimination is not only charging us double they apply it in the worse way to their own people! Throw them crumbs and they will be happy this is what they do with the rice farmers so they do not close the airport? It has been written and suggested that this is the time to change their entire education system until they do and until the girls hold out for a better deal instead of some dead beat LEO drunk the flow will continue? Maybe not the way it was before? The Internet has driven them underground in Bangkok that is about it!
The prices are up for many reasons and I hope many of you do go elsewhere it is your choice. But like a cheap suit the style will come back when no one knows when and what the cost will be? But that just leave more and drive the price down for us guys who stay here? I can't handle it now? I barely can sleep the smart phone going off every minute Line? Ding Dong Ding Dong! Everywhere I go Ding Dong? I go to 7/11 I hear Ding Dong, legit massage to relax Ding Dong! Ding Dong, no customer can I come over? Ding Dong if it is not one thing it's another Ding Dong!
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1656743]I can't really speak about Bangkok, what I do know is Pattaya! I think as to what has been said as to the decline in working girls it seems the discussion is generally about Bangkok itself! The decline is not just one thing it is a little of everything for the decline? When people say the standard of living is better, minimun wages, I do not see it outside of Bangkok? As I noted, Bangkok is the only City of its kind in Thailand? What other City possess the International stuff like Business, culture, etc. That being said Bangkok itself can't alone uplift the entire nation population and provide a higher standard job for the entire country?
You take Pattaya itself. The public education system is just a sham with so many public school there is only one International school and unless you have money majority of Thai can't ever afford it, they barely can afford the uniforms each year for the public? The kids are push along and if their grades are not high enough their own public M4-M5-M6, which is like High School would not allow them to attend! That is why you see so many kids riding around in their motorbikes hanging out?..[/QUOTE]What's this Ding Dong?
I also just can't see the Villages being up-lifted much by the boom boom in BKK.
[QUOTE=Steve7777;1656788]What's this Ding Dong?
I also just can't see the Villages being up-lifted much by the boom boom in BKK.[/QUOTE]If you are signed up on Line. Everytime you get a message your phone goes off! Ding Dong!
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1656743]
The prices are up for many reasons and I hope many of you do go elsewhere it is your choice. But like a cheap suit the style will come back when no one knows when and what the cost will be? But that just leave more and drive the price down for us guys who stay here? I can't handle it now? I barely can sleep the smart phone going off every minute Line? Ding Dong Ding Dong! Everywhere I go Ding Dong? I go to 7/11 I hear Ding Dong, legit massage to relax Ding Dong! Ding Dong, no customer can I come over? Ding Dong if it is not one thing it's another Ding Dong![/QUOTE]You can just set it to chirp or click or even be silent. LOL.
I enjoyed your write-up though.
[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1655713]You're absolutely right about the secondary airports. Much cheaper to fly in and out of DMK than BKK on most local flights. I've never flown in or out of DMK. Is there anything I should know? Seems like it's relatively easy to get to on the map. But as with most things in Asia I expect the unexpected.
[/QUOTE]I usually fly Air Asia when I go from Bangkok to Phuket. Flying from DMK is no problem, however Air Asia tend to be fairly strict on the size / weight of your carry-on. Apart from that, nothing unusual. Dining and shopping in DMK is of course limited compared to BKK. There is no rail service to DMK from downtown Bangkok (when I feel cheap I usually do the BKK- Makkasan rail service when I fly into BKK).
Otherwise. As long as you don't expect a modern flashy place, it is a perfectly OK airport, and it is rarely crowded.
[Only 12 more days until I am in Bangkok again...]
[QUOTE=HarryDude;1657269]I usually fly Air Asia when I go from Bangkok to Phuket. Flying from DMK is no problem, however Air Asia tend to be fairly strict on the size / weight of your carry-on. Apart from that, nothing unusual. Dining and shopping in DMK is of course limited compared to BKK. There is no rail service to DMK from downtown Bangkok (when I feel cheap I usually do the BKK- Makkasan rail service when I fly into BKK).
Otherwise. As long as you don't expect a modern flashy place, it is a perfectly OK airport, and it is rarely crowded.
Only 12 more days until I am in Bangkok again...[/QUOTE]I'm wheels up on the 8th! CAn't wait.
Thanks for the info. Seems that the flights are much less than those to BKK. Yangon to BKK is 83 USD. Yangon to DMK is 49 USD.
Flying out of BKK on Thai Inter I noticed the hostess Miss T in Silk class was exquisite. I wasn't looking at her in a sexual way. She could compete with best of Singapore girls. Could not detect if she had a nose job. If so it was too good.
I just want to teach (ha ha) all these regular posters that we have a General thread. All the guff not related to Bangkok and sex in Bangkok, in particular can go here. The Bangkok Thread is totally out of control. Needs strong moderator in MHO, to delete posts off topic by heavy repeat offenders.
Other forums (other Language not English) I have seen have stronger moderating.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1656484]Your account should have username and password, tel number is optional. Therefore switching sim cards won't screw things up. I actually have two accounts, one for biz, and one for 'personal use' using my T1234 username! When I swap to local postpaid or prepaid, no problems remaining connected.
Another very popular app is Line, widely used also by Asians.[/QUOTE]I use wechat with wifi only. The original account was set with an old, and now expired, thai som card, where you get an SMS to enable the access. Then the phone doesn't count anymore. Have wechat on iPod tocuh and iPad with no SIM card at all. Works everywhere. As long as you remember your login and password.
I'm going for about 2 weeks, what do you guys recommend I bring with me $$? I'm thinking $2 k-$3 k.
As for going about the town, where do you stash your money, in your wallet, sock, fanny pack (so 80's). Or pocket?
The ways some guys are talking on the forum, some of these girls are all over you at these lonely bars. So. The greenbacks got to take cover I think.
How much do you take while going around town?
Found this on Bloomberg:
Following is a summary of the November preliminary tourism statistics from the Bank of Thailand in Bangkok.
Nov. Oct. Sept. Aug. July June May.
Total Arrivals ('000) 2,438 2,181 1,856 2,076 1,915 1,559 1,737.
YoY% 2. 5% 6. 1% -7. 0% -11.9% -10.9% -24.4% -10.7%.
Occupancy Rate 66.7% 58.6% 51.0% 55.0% 49.3% 40.8% 46.4%.
It will be interesting to see what the numbers are for December and January. At any rate the numbers are now up two months in a row.
Sorry about the screwed up formatting. I've tried to fix it, to no avail. As we all know, the technology behind this fine forum is not professional quality.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1662131]I'm going for about 2 weeks, what do you guys recommend I bring with me $$? I'm thinking $2 k-$3 k. As for going about the town, where do you stash your money, in your wallet, sock, fanny pack (so 80's). Or pocket?
The ways some guys are talking on the forum, some of these girls are all over you at these lonely bars. So. The greenbacks got to take cover I think. How much do you take while going around town?[/QUOTE]Your budget sounds about right to me. I usually budget $200 per day, excluding my hotel and airfare (which are paid for with credit cards). But I NEVER carry more than $200 cash with me at any time. The rest is tucked away in my room safe. And why travel with that much cash? ATMs are all over the place, so you can get cash 24/7 when you need it.
[QUOTE=David2;1662794]Your budget sounds about right to me. I usually budget $200 per day, excluding my hotel and airfare (which are paid for with credit cards). But I NEVER carry more than $200 cash with me at any time. The rest is tucked away in my room safe. And why travel with that much cash? ATMs are all over the place, so you can get cash 24/7 when you need it.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I do the same budget $200 USD daily, excluding hotel and airfare and lock up rest in safe. As far as any monies on you if you bring someone back to the room, I don't take my close off until I shower so my personal items are never out of sight since they usually shower first.
Question about ATM's anyone know what networks they support over there? Starr, cirrus. Etc and any recommended bank ATM's? Never had to use an ATM abroad yet.
Thanks in advance,
JR
Any recommended spots with free WiFi that is close to Nana area? Second question is does anyone know if LOS blocks certain sites? I ask because my last visit this site ISG and a few other sites were blocked at my hotel which offered free WiFi which made for getting info difficult. Not sure if it was the hotel or the country. I know PRC blocks.
JR
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1662131]I'm going for about 2 weeks, what do you guys recommend I bring with me $$? I'm thinking $2 k-$3 k.
How much do you take while going around town?[/QUOTE]That budget sounds reasonable. The biggest variable expense is the ladies. Only carry with you what you will need for that outing and leave the rest in the hotel room safe.
[QUOTE=David2;1662794]Your budget sounds about right to me. I usually budget $200 per day, excluding my hotel and airfare (which are paid for with credit cards). But I NEVER carry more than $200 cash with me at any time. The rest is tucked away in my room safe. And why travel with that much cash? ATMs are all over the place, so you can get cash 24/7 when you need it.[/QUOTE]I go all cash on my trips to Thailand. No footprints. Pristine $100 USD bills get the best exchange rate.
I think the current fee rate on foreign plastic using Thai bank ATM's is 150 or 180 baht per transaction which can add up. Certainly have an ATM and credit card as backups, and notify your bank that you will be traveling overseas so they don't flag the transaction and freeze your account.
SunLover.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1662835]I think the current fee rate on foreign plastic using Thai bank ATM's is 150 or 180 baht per transaction which can add up. Certainly have an ATM and credit card as backups, and notify your bank that you will be traveling overseas so they don't flag the transaction and freeze your account.
SunLover.[/QUOTE]I go through about US$250 per day and typically spend 2 to 3 weeks in Bangkok. I don't like to take US$6+K in cash with me so I carry some cash and a make a few ATM withdrawals at a Citibank ATM. Citibank allows much larger withdrawals than other banks. I have no idea what the maximum is. I typical withdraw 40K because my bank has a US$1500 per day max. I go to the Asoke and Sukhumvit location. The ATMs are in a lobby, rather than out on the sidewalk; and there has always been a bank employee in the lobby when I've made my withdrawals. My bank doesn't charge me for using other banks' ATMs and covers the Citibank ATM charges so I'm only stuck paying the 150 (actually I think it's now 180) baht fee.
To exchange cash I use the Superrich 1965 locations. There is one at the Asoke BTS station. The best rate is at the head office. It is north of Central World off Ratchadamri Road.
As I walked down Sukhumvit Soi 33 in the early afternoon, I saw the motorcycle taxi stand had turned into a biergarden. These guys where standing there in there orange wests around the table on which there was at least 10 empty beer bottles. I saw some of them drink the beer from a glass. Therefor I would avoid this way of transportation in / from Soi33.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1662841]I go through about US$250 per day and typically spend 2 to 3 weeks in Bangkok. I don't like to take US$6+K in cash with me so I carry some cash and a make a few ATM withdrawals at a Citibank ATM. Citibank allows much larger withdrawals than other banks. I have no idea what the maximum is. I typical withdraw 40K because my bank has a US$1500 per day max. I go to the Asoke and Sukhumvit location. The ATMs are in a lobby, rather than out on the sidewalk; and there has always been a bank employee in the lobby when I've made my withdrawals. My bank doesn't charge me for using other banks' ATMs and covers the Citibank ATM charges so I'm only stuck paying the 150 (actually I think it's now 180) baht fee.
To exchange cash I use the Superrich 1965 locations. There is one at the Asoke BTS station. The best rate is at the head office. It is north of Central World off Ratchadamri Road.[/QUOTE]I used the ATM at Intercontinental Hotel here the other day (I was shitfaced but believe it was a Citibank one, scary blue colourscheeme). You could from choices on the screen choose up to 50000 bhts. I remember this as I thought "wow"(if you could withdraw more I don't know as the opening where the cash flows out have its limitation. As a sidenote the worst or best ATM (depends on how you view it) I ever encountered was at the Hard Rock Hotel, Las Vegas a few years back. You could choose from US1000 up to US5000.
I use a Mastercard on the Cirrus network. And pay no fees since they are reimbursed at month end. I've not paid attention to other networks.
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Question about ATM's anyone know what networks they support over there? Starr, cirrus. Etc and any recommended bank ATM's? Never had to use an ATM abroad yet.
Thanks in advance,
JR[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Skogis;1662925]I used the ATM at Intercontinental Hotel here the other day (I was shitfaced but believe it was a Citibank one, scary blue colourscheeme). You could from choices on the screen choose up to 50000 bhts. I remember this as I thought "wow"(if you could withdraw more I don't know as the opening where the cash flows out have its limitation. As a sidenote the worst or best ATM (depends on how you view it) I ever encountered was at the Hard Rock Hotel, Las Vegas a few years back. You could choose from US1000 up to US5000.[/QUOTE]The ATMs at the location I use do not have 40K as a option. I enter other and then 40K.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1662835]
I think the current fee rate on foreign plastic using Thai bank ATM's is 150 or 180 baht per transaction which can add up. Certainly have an ATM and credit card as backups, and notify your bank that you will be traveling overseas so they don't flag the transaction and freeze your account.
SunLover.[/QUOTE]The ATM fees do not add up if you use Schwab Bank's ATM card. There is no foreign transaction fee and they rebate the 180 Thai baht ATM fee (or any ATM fee throughout the world). [URL]http://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/banking_lending[/URL] I may have mentioned all this a few months ago in this or another thread, but it probably bears repeating.
FWIW, I'm not a fan of Schwab brokerage, but do like Schwab Bank's ATM cards.
[QUOTE=Skogis;1662925]I used the ATM at Intercontinental Hotel here the other day (I was shitfaced but believe it was a Citibank one, scary blue colourscheeme). You could from choices on the screen choose up to 50000 bhts. I remember this as I thought "wow"(if you could withdraw more I don't know as the opening where the cash flows out have its limitation. As a sidenote the worst or best ATM (depends on how you view it) I ever encountered was at the Hard Rock Hotel, Las Vegas a few years back. You could choose from US1000 up to US5000.[/QUOTE]That the screen shows choices up to 50,000 Bath doesn't mean that you can actually withdraw that amount. My bank allows me to withdraw up to a maximum of € 750 ($ 900) / day, so that equals to approximately 30,000 Bath. However almost all of the banks in Thailand only allow me to withdraw 10,000 Bath at a time. And for each time I have to pay the 180 Bath fee obviously PLUS a € 2,25 fee to my own bank.
So far I have only found one bank that allows me to withdraw 20,000 Bath at a time and that is the Tanachart bank. They have an ATM on Sukhumvit between soi 5 and 7 if I remember correctly and in Pattaya on Second Road very close to Soi Honey Inn.
I believe I've also tried the Citibank in Pattaya but not yet in Bangkok. Will try that next time I'm there.
[QUOTE=JusRide;1662799]Question about ATM's anyone know what networks they support over there? Starr, cirrus. Etc and any recommended bank ATM's? Never had to use an ATM abroad yet. [/QUOTE]I use my normal debit card on the Cirrus network. Thailand is flooded with ATM's and if they have the Cirrus logo you can usually withdraw money without any problems. If you're in doubt then ask your bank.
[QUOTE=JusRide;1662802]Any recommended spots with free WiFi that is close to Nana area? Second question is does anyone know if LOS blocks certain sites? I ask because my last visit this site ISG and a few other sites were blocked at my hotel which offered free WiFi which made for getting info difficult. Not sure if it was the hotel or the country. I know PRC blocks.
JR[/QUOTE]Not really close to Nana but I know Hollys Coffee on Sukhumvit close to Soi 15 has free WiFi.
And yes the new regime blocks certain sites, like some 'critical' foreign news agencies for example. However in the hotels where I stayed very recently the ISG was not blocked.
[QUOTE=JusRide;1662802]Any recommended spots with free WiFi that is close to Nana area? Second question is does anyone know if LOS blocks certain sites? I ask because my last visit this site ISG and a few other sites were blocked at my hotel which offered free WiFi which made for getting info difficult. Not sure if it was the hotel or the country. I know PRC blocks.
JR[/QUOTE]McDonald's (one hour limit) and Subway/Coffee World (Soi 7-1) has free wifi Ask the cashier for password, Subway has no restrictions but Mc'D does filter content so the word sex may be blocked which would eliminate ISG.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1663007]That the screen shows choices up to 50,000 Bath doesn't mean that you can actually withdraw that amount. My bank allows me to withdraw up to a maximum of 750 ($ 900) / day, so that equals to approximately 30,000 Bath. However almost all of the banks in Thailand only allow me to withdraw 10,000 Bath at a time. And for each time I have to pay the 180 Bath fee obviously PLUS a 2,25 fee to my own bank.
So far I have only found one bank that allows me to withdraw 20,000 Bath at a time and that is the Tanachart bank. They have an ATM on Sukhumvit between soi 5 and 7 if I remember correctly and in Pattaya on Second Road very close to Soi Honey Inn.
I believe I've also tried the Citibank in Pattaya but not yet in Bangkok. Will try that next time I'm there.[/QUOTE]I might be mistaken since it has been some time ago but Citibank, Pattaya, if it is the one on Sukhumvit road just before Nernpludwan that bank does not have a ATM? Okay That question mark.
Unless you happen to go there when it is filled with students doing whatever. Than their network slows down to a snail's pace or very commonly unable to even connect.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1663018]Not really close to Nana but I know Hollys Coffee on Sukhumvit close to Soi 15 has free WiFi.
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1663033]I might be mistaken since it has been some time ago but Citibank, Pattaya, if it is the one on Sukhumvit road just before Nernpludwan that bank does not have a ATM? Okay That question mark.[/QUOTE]Then it must have been another bank because I never wander as far as Sukhumvit Road.
You are forgiven for the question mark, LOL!
There have been a number of posts here recently regarding a suitable budget for a Thailand trip. On my recent trip earlier this month I was in Thailand for 16 nights, a mixture of Bangkok, Pattaya and Samui. Excluding my flights and accomodation, I spent a total of EUR 1,300 or approximately THB 52,000. This included all sex, food, drink, taxis etc. I wouldn't consider myself a cheap charlie or anything, the girls I had were mostly FLs or Beer Bar girls that I took LT. I think if you mostly took gogo girls you'd end up spending a lot more. I fully enjoyed myself with all the girls I took, I had more than enough sex than I could keep up with really, and plenty of GFE from the girls aswell. So I don't think you really have to spend a fortune to have a good time in Thailand.
[QUOTE=JusRide;1662799]Agreed. I do the same budget $200 USD daily, excluding hotel and airfare and lock up rest in safe. As far as any monies on you if you bring someone back to the room, I don't take my close off until I shower so my personal items are never out of sight since they usually shower first.
Question about ATM's anyone know what networks they support over there? Starr, cirrus. Etc and any recommended bank ATM's? Never had to use an ATM abroad yet.
Thanks in advance,
JR[/QUOTE]Starr, MC, Visa are all fine. ATM charges are 150 B per withdrawl, unless someone found a free one.
[QUOTE=Mac75;1663150]I think if you mostly took gogo girls you'd end up spending a lot more. I fully enjoyed myself with all the girls I took, I had more than enough sex than I could keep up with really, and plenty of GFE from the girls aswell. So I don't think you really have to spend a fortune to have a good time in Thailand.[/QUOTE]True this. The ladies are the biggest budget variable and is specific to everyone's different circumstances. Once a day? Twice a day? Twice a week? ST or LT?
Back in the day when it was a shorter trip to blow off steam I would [U]budget[/U] 2 x daily for a two hour oily PSE experience (think Snow White / Cherry / Mango / Tulip) which translates to 4600 baht or $140 USD. And yes; there were days when I picked up a NPL FL after midnight on top of that. Or think 90 minutes at Eden or a decent go-go girl LT would be the same amount of budget.
IMO a budget does not mean you need to spend it, but more or less means you are prepared to spend it. Basically it all depends on circumstances. Pull a groiny and you might be out of action for a day or two, or meet the girl of your dreams and [I]setting the money on fire[/I] would be a slower expenditure.
SunLover.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1663269]True this. The ladies are the biggest budget variable and is specific to everyone's different circumstances. Once a day? Twice a day? Twice a week? ST or LT?
SunLover.[/QUOTE]For my 16 night stay I was with 12 girls, comprised of 8 x LT and 4 x ST. I didn't really have a budget as such, only that I'd spend within reason what was needed to have a good time, what was the market value in the various places, and generally to avoid taking girls from gogo bars. I went to a few gogos for a drink and some eye candy, but I found their main motivation seems to be to get you to buy expensive lady drinks, and then after that do a ST session in a nearby ST hotel, which isn't my scene at all. I far prefer to bring the girl back to my hotel for LT, and hopefully some GFE if we both click. Most of the girls I was with were FL or beer bar, and also 2 girls I met up with through WE chat.
Does anyone know if Pandora music app will work in Thailand? I was reading that it worked then didn't and then they were working on international licensing. If not can anyone recommend a streaming music app (android) that works in Thailand and not blocked. Looking for music you typically hear in US, TOP 40 billboard type music. Appreciate the help.
R
[QUOTE=JusRide;1667095]Does anyone know if Pandora music app will work in Thailand? I was reading that it worked then didn't and then they were working on international licensing. If not can anyone recommend a streaming music app (android) that works in Thailand and not blocked. Looking for music you typically hear in US, TOP 40 billboard type music. Appreciate the help.
R[/QUOTE]Spotify works for me in Thailand.
Is there a 'electronics' district in Bangkok? Sukumvit perhaps? Looking to buy some cctv cameras, like a whole set. Hikvision or something, was just curious. I know in HongKong I could get around Mongkok etc. But there must be the same accesiblity in Bangkok, if anyone is famillar? pantip plaza?
[QUOTE=Kabukicho;1667454]Is there a 'electronics' district in Bangkok? Sukumvit perhaps? Looking to buy some cctv cameras, like a whole set. Hikvision or something, was just curious. I know in HongKong I could get around Mongkok etc. But there must be the same accesiblity in Bangkok, if anyone is famillar? pantip plaza?[/QUOTE]I guess in Pantip Plaza you can get this.
[QUOTE=Kabukicho;1667454]Pantip plaza?[/QUOTE]Yes.
[URL]http://www.thebangkokshoppingguide.com/Pantip_plaza_bangkok[/URL]
[QUOTE=Mac75;1664502]For my 16 night stay I was with 12 girls, comprised of 8 x LT and 4 x ST. I didn't really have a budget as such, only that I'd spend within reason what was needed to have a good time, what was the market value in the various places, and generally to avoid taking girls from gogo bars. I went to a few gogos for a drink and some eye candy, but I found their main motivation seems to be to get you to buy expensive lady drinks, and then after that do a ST session in a nearby ST hotel, which isn't my scene at all. I far prefer to bring the girl back to my hotel for LT, and hopefully some GFE if we both click. Most of the girls I was with were FL or beer bar, and also 2 girls I met up with through WE chat.[/QUOTE]Of course go go joints have to sell expensive drinks. They have to make money, pay the girls and staff. Maybe you just want everything for free?
I don't see the point in taking long time with any girl till you already know she is reasonable GFE and good on the bed. However I see you don't repeat any girls, other than night and morning maybe for some LT girls. This suggests the standard of the girls was never so good, that you just had to do it again, another day.
[QUOTE=JusRide;1667095]Does anyone know if Pandora music app will work in Thailand? I was reading that it worked then didn't and then they were working on international licensing. If not can anyone recommend a streaming music app (android) that works in Thailand and not blocked. Looking for music you typically hear in US, TOP 40 billboard type music. Appreciate the help.
R[/QUOTE]You can get around the international restrictions and listen to Pandora by installing a VPN. I use Hot Shield, but there are many out there.
Bule2004.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1667489]Of course go go joints have to sell expensive drinks. They have to make money, pay the girls and staff. Maybe you just want everything for free?
I don't see the point in taking long time with any girl till you already know she is reasonable GFE and good on the bed. However I see you don't repeat any girls, other than night and morning maybe for some LT girls. This suggests the standard of the girls was never so good, that you just had to do it again, another day.[/QUOTE]Maby this poster is a bit like me but for a start I do ofcourse understand bars and go go's have to make money from other things than just the BF's. Even so what I don't like about these places is all the pushing by the mamasans and the neverending chit chats with girls only wanting a LD within first couple of minutes. I get the idea you, are maby a known face to certain places downtown BKK so your experience may differ from others and the mamasans and girls leave you more alone until you initiate actions?
Regarding LT play it is just a great part of my MO and the excitement trusting my instincts bringing a girl I just recently met back for some bedaction without in detail discussing much what is going to happen. Dealing with, almost without exception, nightclubgirls (beeing semi pros or regular girls) only makes me able to pretty much do the same as what is going on in the go go's. I am ofcourse thinking about the interview process and chemistry-/ attitudechecks. I feel I can relax more though as I don't have waitresses and mamasans pestering my table as I allready have my drinks as in bottleservice and can feed the girls in my own tempo while ofcourse scoping the newly arrived talent and start building the chemistry. I never discuss prices (for the regular girls this is not an issue anyway ofcourse) nor length of stay but in most cases for my nighttimepickups they seem to end out in a LT. The semipros want ofcourse a donation and ofcourse I do give them but going under the fixed price and the detailed worked out session radar atleast I strongly believe makes them girls perform on the highside and keeps them motivated for some nice payout at the end. Normaly I donate 3 k (did so for 8 years now). One disadvantage to my MO is ofcourse it is easier to evaluate the goods in a go go as the girls are just about nekked. To cope with this i try to do as much rubbing, touching especially ass and stomach. The stomach bcs i have a fobia when it comes to stretchmarks. If i see or fel stretchmarks i make up some lame excuse and moves on. I also look for push ups and build ins when it comes to the boob area. Actually not so important as i like to have girls with all kinds of boobsizes, real or fake ones, i dont mind. Next to stretchmarks though some baggy socks hanging from the area where it used to be tits is a no go so that is why i pay some attention.
I can think of 2 girls (semipros) under my years as a very frequent BKK visitor where I shortened a LT dramaticaly. One girl was starting to nag about wanting to do a CBJ. That is so totaly far from my comfortzone so she was ditched with a couple of hundreds bhts for whatever. Second was a girl starting some dramas and the crocodile routine. So a couple of bad experiences from a few hundreds girls isn't that bad at all. I also hear it is possible to end up with star fishes doing the BF routine so I realy don't feel I miss out on anything doing it my way.
For the semipro segment I am dealing with it is normaly no time for repeat sessions as in meeting them next time I am in BKK(over the years there have ofcourse been a few exceptions as they have been spectaculare i e performed PSE in extreme ways and that we can not toss away). There are just to many fresh new girls arriving into the semi pro segment to get stuck with just a few (yes I am well aware of I probably miss out some even better sessions you usually can have doing repeat sessions). For repeatpurpouses I have my fleet of regular girls so I am pretty much well covered viewed from a mongering angel(my angel, hehe).
[QUOTE=Skogis;1667514] I am ofcourse thinking about the interview process and chemistry-/ attitudechecks. I feel I can relax more though as I don't have waitresses and mamasans pestering my table as I allready have my drinks as in bottleservice and can feed the girls in my own tempo while ofcourse scoping the newly arrived talent and start building the chemistry. [/QUOTE]I don't like the discos "music" generally. Spicy was the worst sound quality I have experienced recently. Just horrible noise. Would never consider returning there. The staff were rather irritating too.
I also cannot chat to girls in discos as the music is too loud. In gogos, chatting is possible for me. My hearing is not good at sound separation, so cannot hear talk over the general cacophony in discos. Last time I had my ears cleaned out it did me a disservice, amplifying very loud sounds, and making little apparent difference to very soft sounds.
Cannot you suggest any night clubs where the general noise level is lower than typical discos?
How much time do you invest for being in a club and selecting a girl? What is typical overhead in entrance price and the grog? Just curious.
Guess I am just too old for that sort of scene, and I do really struggle with noise levels.
[QUOTE=Kabukicho;1667454]Is there a 'electronics' district in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]Pantip Plaza is good for electronics.
So is the MBK Center. While you are there, check out the hawker stalls. The food is terrific and the dining room is very comfortable.
Bunky
[QUOTE=Bunky;1667790]Pantip Plaza is good for electronics.
So is the MBK Center. While you are there, check out the hawker stalls. The food is terrific and the dining room is very comfortable.
Bunky[/QUOTE]MBK is better for Smart phones, tablets. A bit of photography.
Pantip plaza is more on CCTV, and all computer related items.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1667489]Of course go go joints have to sell expensive drinks. They have to make money, pay the girls and staff. Maybe you just want everything for free?
I don't see the point in taking long time with any girl till you already know she is reasonable GFE and good on the bed. However I see you don't repeat any girls, other than night and morning maybe for some LT girls. This suggests the standard of the girls was never so good, that you just had to do it again, another day.[/QUOTE]The standard of nearly all the girls I took was really good, the reason I didn't repeat with any was my own personal feeling of wanting to try many girls, and not settle with one for the duration of the trip, even though some of the girls made it evident if that is what I wanted I could spend the rest of my time in Thailand with them.
By the way I don't expect everything for free! I just don't like been hassled for lady drinks as soon as I sit down in a place by a bossy mama / papa san. I think if you lived in Thailand or spent signifigant parts of the year there, then you would have more time and patience with gogos, survey the girls, take ST and if good return another day for LT. However I don't have the time for that really when I'm only there for just over two weeks, and may not be back again for months or even a year. This would be the case for a lot of guys on this site I suspect.
I'm getting a Thai sim card (again) on my next trip and after a lengthy tour will be heading over to the Philippines. Anybody know if it will work over there? If I'm not mistaken I think I have to ask for a specific sim card that will work oversea's?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1667528]I don't like the discos "music" generally. Spicy was the worst sound quality I have experienced recently. Just horrible noise. Would never consider returning there. The staff were rather irritating too.
I also cannot chat to girls in discos as the music is too loud. In gogos, chatting is possible for me. My hearing is not good at sound separation, so cannot hear talk over the general cacophony in discos. Last time I had my ears cleaned out it did me a disservice, amplifying very loud sounds, and making little apparent difference to very soft sounds.
Cannot you suggest any night clubs where the general noise level is lower than typical discos?
How much time do you invest for being in a club and selecting a girl? What is typical overhead in entrance price and the grog? Just curious.
Guess I am just too old for that sort of scene, and I do really struggle with noise levels.[/QUOTE]I see. Well my nightclubs of choice they all have simular volume levels and probably run a tad high to your liking. I understand your problem. There are a few mixed clubs in Thong Lor area I e Hobs (many places around here). They have low volumes if any music and atleast it is often devided into inside / outside arrangements where the outside would be most quite. But the real nightclubs they all have pumped up volume (atleast the ones I have visited). Another one I just come to think of, maybe an alternative to you, is Spasso (please advice it has been a while since my last visit) and if you stay around the "roundabout" bar area you are far away from the music (often livebands) so the noiselevel will be to your liking. Many girls surrounds the mentioned oval bar.
My time investments may vary so hard to pin out a certain ammount of time. I enjoy partying and clubbing. But in places like Climax or Insanity where there are loads of freelancers and semi pros I move fast and get ladies to my table. From these ladies I choose 1 I start interviewing. It can take 5 minutes and / or up to approx 1 HR. When I have chosen one nightclub I stay here and look for the best girl inside this one. Hopping around from place to place is ok but this I do prior to my clubbing as in having predrinks.
Usualy tabs will run from 3 k (1 btl of Absolute) and up (depends on how many btls I buy, fingerfoods / snacks or whatever). Covers are from 150 bht-300 bht.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1667827]I'm getting a Thai sim card (again) on my next trip and after a lengthy tour will be heading over to the Philippines. Anybody know if it will work over there? If I'm not mistaken I think I have to ask for a specific sim card that will work oversea's?[/QUOTE]Assuming you want full data browsing will be cheaper to just get a card at airport in both locations. Less than $10 usd will get you a week unlimited. Make sure your phone is unlocked though and if you get it from vending machine make sure to get right size.
I know American football isn't that popular but does anyone know of a bar that may be open and have the game at 8:30 am tomorrow? I know it's a long shot. But figured couldn't hurt to ask. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Mac75;1667822]The standard of nearly all the girls I took was really good, the reason I didn't repeat with any was my own personal feeling of wanting to try many girls, and not settle with one for the duration of the trip, even though some of the girls made it evident if that is what I wanted I could spend the rest of my time in Thailand with them.
By the way I don't expect everything for free! I just don't like been hassled for lady drinks as soon as I sit down in a place by a bossy mama / papa san. I think if you lived in Thailand or spent signifigant parts of the year there, then you would have more time and patience with gogos, survey the girls, take ST and if good return another day for LT. However I don't have the time for that really when I'm only there for just over two weeks, and may not be back again for months or even a year. This would be the case for a lot of guys on this site I suspect.[/QUOTE]People who live in Thailand don't do LT. Who wants a prostitute LT? Anyway the ones who do LT are bottom of the barrel types.
[QUOTE=Steve7777;1667943]People who live in Thailand don't do LT. Who wants a prostitute LT? Anyway the ones who do LT are bottom of the barrel types.[/QUOTE]I don't know where you are getting your information from, but I ONLY do long time, unless I am hunting on Beach Road. And for LT my price is 1000 baht. All my friends who also live in Thailand are pretty much the same. Bottom of the barrel? I think not. Bar fine? Never. I always thought the main reason guys went to Thailand and Philippines was for LT GFE, and not for the ST wham bam that they could probably get on the street corner without leaving their hometowns.
[QUOTE=Steve7777;1667943]People who live in Thailand don't do LT. Who wants a prostitute LT? Anyway the ones who do LT are bottom of the barrel types.[/QUOTE]I not sure how you came up with that conclusion? What is your criteria to draw up that type of conclusion? To me I could response with a few bleep bleeps since I live here. I do ST mostly but when I do LT, what does that make me? What does it say for a guy who is on holiday and does LT? Why would he be a winner? I know a lot of guys living here and they are rolling in Baht.
To me it is a choice! No different that some like girls from Beach Road, Beer Bars, Go Go's. Some like thin, some like fat, some like old some like young. Does making a choice that does not agree with you make the person " bottom of the barrel types ". Does the girl going ST, make her different than a girl doing LT?
Real stupid comment just like your previous post which there are a few that were deleted since it was stated it was of no value and a waste of bandwithd! Welcome back Harold444.
You show me a girl who goes LT for 1000 I'll show you a girl who has done over 5000 cycles. Has boobies that sag from here to high heLL, has a vagina that stretches from here to the Grand Canyon, has 3 or 4 teenagers from 3 or 4 guys, has been married to a farang, yadda yadda yadda!
Hey guys,
I'm planning a first mongering trip to Thailand and have a question about anal. When I'm there, I want to butt fuck as many pretty as is possible. I've RTFF and know where to go to find them, but I'm not sure how to ask if a girl does anal or not. I see guys in the forums writing "A+" and talking about "A-level". So to inquire, do I ask mamasan or papasan or the girl if she is "A-plus" or "A-level"? How do you communicate this question so that the Thais who don't speak good English will understand? Somebody help a connoisseur out.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1668168]I not sure how you came up with that conclusion? What is your criteria to draw up that type of conclusion? To me I could response with a few bleep bleeps since I live here. I do ST mostly but when I do LT, what does that make me? What does it say for a guy who is on holiday and does LT? Why would he be a winner? I know a lot of guys living here and they are rolling in Baht.
To me it is a choice! No different that some like girls from Beach Road, Beer Bars, Go Go's. Some like thin, some like fat, some like old some like young. Does making a choice that does not agree with you make the person " bottom of the barrel types ". Does the girl going ST, make her different than a girl doing LT?
Real stupid comment just like your previous post which there are a few that were deleted since it was stated it was of no value and a waste of bandwithd! Welcome back Harold444.[/QUOTE]I meant the girls are of the bottom of the barrel types.
You made my point. LT is for short time tourists and sub-standard girls. A win-win situation if I ever saw one.
[QUOTE=Steve7777;1668348]I meant the girls are of the bottom of the barrel types.
You made my point. LT is for short time tourists and sub-standard girls. A win-win situation if I ever saw one.[/QUOTE]Your opinion only. Actually there is no rule and things "depends". Good luck.
[QUOTE=TheCane;1668336]Hey guys,
I'm planning a first mongering trip to Thailand and have a question about anal. When I'm there, I want to butt fuck as many pretty as is possible. I've RTFF and know where to go to find them, but I'm not sure how to ask if a girl does anal or not. I see guys in the forums writing "A+" and talking about "A-level". So to inquire, do I ask mamasan or papasan or the girl if she is "A-plus" or "A-level"? How do you communicate this question so that the Thais who don't speak good English will understand? Somebody help a connoisseur out.[/QUOTE]They speak enough English. Just ask them if you can fuck their ass. If she does not understand then tell another girl, "Tell your friend I want to fuck her ass. " Or say boom boom tood while smiling and nodding your head. She will either nod back in agreement or shake her head no while showing an expression of fear being vehemently opposed to it. From my experince most younger chicks don't do that. You would need to find someone over 30.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1668726]They speak enough English. Just ask them if you can fuck their ass. If she does not understand then tell another girl, "Tell your friend I want to fuck her ass. " Or say boom boom tood while smiling and nodding your head. She will either nod back in agreement or shake her head no while showing an expression of fear being vehemently opposed to it. From my experince most younger chicks don't do that. You would need to find someone over 30.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. I did some more research and found that newbies can say "boom boom" for straight sex, "yum, yum" for oral sex, and "ow, ow" for anal sex LOL! I would be willing to go into the 30's no problem if she's good looking. But as you know, as a Rio lover where it seems that virtually everybody is doing it, when it comes to butt fucking in Brazil I'm spoiled for choice in the mid to late 20's range that I prefer. Well, at least 70% of the garotas who I meet who are in the industry "do it" hehehehe!
[QUOTE=Steve7777;1668348]I meant the girls are of the bottom of the barrel types.
You made my point. LT is for short time tourists and sub-standard girls. A win-win situation if I ever saw one.[/QUOTE]Here is the way I see it? Harold444.
Your comments are confusing. I never made your point because I don't think you even have a point. You have what 65 post and each and everyone of them are just short sarcastic lines to what others are saying. Two of them have been deleted by the Moderator for what is basically consider nothing of value to the conversation which IMHO, is basically your whole existence of ISG so far.
The reason you are stumbling now is because you got called out and being called out shows you haven't even been to Thailand and just basically making the stuff as you go along.
Now it is LT is for Short time tourists and sub-standard girls. Although to each his own and that goes for looks too. But making such a statement is just crazy. You are basically saying a guy who comes on a holiday that does LT, would only be with a sub-standard girl, yesterday it was the other way around. That is like saying if any person wants LT, you will be sleeping most likely with a average if not ugly girl and if it is ST in will definitely be a stunner. Unbelievable as it might seem to you but this is stupid.
I've lived here for years and seen it first hand? There are good looking young guys I have seen with average ladies, I've seen stunners go with fat, bald and yes ugly guys, I've seen Asians all types of races pull girls that are stunners for ST / LT, I've been to nearly all the clubs on W. S. This past year and a half like I-Bar, Isomnia, 808, Marine, Pier, Stone, Lucifers, Red Card, I wonder sometimes where are all these girls coming from? I'm not handsome man and certainly not young I've been with cows ( my choosing ) pigs ( again my choosing ) stunners in anyone's books ST/LT cheap and expensive and whether you are here LT/ST it begins and ends with money!
Basically, you should just go away since you have never been to Thailand or just have nothing like the Moderator said have to offer! Nothing in any of your remarks and I say remarks because you have not provided one report from a actual experience! Where you come up with your stuff only leads me to one conclusion.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1668848]Here is the way I see it? Harold444.
SNIP SNIP SNIP[/QUOTE]Don't bother LBM. This guy loves to see people getting angry over his posts, that's the one and only reason he's here for.
If we all just simply ignore him (which is hard sometimes, I know) then it's no fun for him anymore and he will stop eventually.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1668852]Don't bother LBM. This guy loves to see people getting angry over his posts, that's the one and only reason he's here for.
If we all just simply ignore him (which is hard sometimes, I know) then it's no fun for him anymore and he will stop eventually.[/QUOTE]Agree but I'm a parent still and I want to say my peace and tell these children with pimples on their faces from jerking off go back to their rooms and clean the tissue off their ceilings before mama comes home. And Steve7777, lock you door this time before you give you mama a heart attack?
[QUOTE=TheCane;1668737]Thanks for the advice. I did some more research and found that newbies can say "boom boom" for straight sex, "yum, yum" for oral sex, and "ow, ow" for anal sex LOL! I would be willing to go into the 30's no problem if she's good looking. But as you know, as a Rio lover where it seems that virtually everybody is doing it, when it comes to butt fucking in Brazil I'm spoiled for choice in the mid to late 20's range that I prefer. Well, at least 70% of the garotas who I meet who are in the industry "do it" hehehehe![/QUOTE]I've only heard yum yum in Cambodia, and the ow ow is a joke, right? :D
Say "boom boom doot dai mai" and, as Mr. E said, it'll get your point across. Boom boom you know, doot is a the equivalent of ass, dai mai is "will you?" She'll respond with "mai dai" or "go find ladyboy" if she doesn't.
Also, as Mr. E said, younger ones who do are going to be a bit thin on the ground. This isn't Brazil. In fact, generally speaking, Thais are terrible kissers and the young (18 - 22) ones aren't that great in bed. There are exceptions but the problem is that they are exceptions.
I'm not as bold as Mr. E, if I talk about the Doot to the girl it is usually in a joking way. As for kissing sure there are exceptions. When I use to holiday I use to get lots that went through the motion and at times it would turn me off especially the one's that make up excuses like a cold sore which is a turn off especially after they just got done BBBJ. Kissing is a real plus just like a real good slow BBBJ. Maybe I've been lucky the last few years because I can't remember not having one that do not like to kiss and that is whether I take ST / LT, they got to be able to start kissing the moment the doors closes, they got to kiss while we shower, and they got to kiss on the way out.
And if they can kiss my way of asking whether they do the ass is when I go down on them and get them wet then take a finger or thumb and play around the area and if they do not push my hand away I insert my thumb and go from there.
[QUOTE=TheCane;1668336]Hey guys, I'm planning a first mongering trip to Thailand and have a question about anal. When I'm there, I want to butt fuck as many pretty as is possible.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheCane;1668737]when it comes to butt fucking in Brazil I'm spoiled for choice in the mid to late 20's range that I prefer. Well, at least 70% of the garotas who I meet who are in the industry "do it"[/QUOTE]This ain't Brazil. I've been here since end of Nov. Had my first Thai back door experience from a Pattaya Soi 6 bar girl yesterday. Surprisingly, she wasn't tight. That part was just OK, the other parts of the session were GFE. I have some leads on other par 3 courses, but just haven't found the time to get to them. :)
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1668726]" Or say boom boom tood while smiling and nodding your head. You would need to find someone over 30.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1668872]Say "boom boom doot dai mai" and, as Mr. E said, it'll get your point across. Boom boom you know, doot is a the equivalent of ass, dai mai is "will you?" She'll respond with "mai dai" or "go find ladyboy" if she doesn't.[/QUOTE]I thought it was toot or tute. When I ask, "Boom Boom toot? Most say No. If she says No, ask her which lady there does, she'll know. No need to bother the mama san. Some say I can, but depends on size. It seems to me, the ones that can do it, don't really like it. Unlike in Brazil, where many enjoy it or prefer it.
As a long time Brazil vet, I'm still enjoying my time here. Lack of Anal has not spoiled my fun. One Soi in Pattaya has more action than all of Copacabana. And I've been able to find enough nice thighs and round perky butts, that taper into slim waists to keep me happy. :D
[QUOTE=JavaMan;1668896]This ain't Brazil. I've been here since end of Nov. Had my first Thai back door experience from a Pattaya Soi 6 bar girl yesterday.
I thought it was toot or tute? When I ask, "Boom Boom toot? Most say No. If she says No, ask her which lady there does, she'll know. No need to bother the mama san. Some say I can, but depends on size. It seems to me, the ones that can do it, don't really like it. Unlike in Brazil, where many enjoy it or prefer it.
As a long time Brazil vet, I'm still enjoying my time here. Lack of Anal has not spoiled my fun. One Soi in Pattaya has more action than all of Copacabana. And I've been able to find enough nice thighs and round perky butts, that taper into slim waists to keep me happy. :D[/QUOTE]I intend to tap a Thai tute's "toot" on day one on the ground. If anybody can do it, I can. Just do the research and follow the money. So far, I've found that these two places are supposed to be pretty good bets for getting some anus in Bangkok and Pattaya respectively, both of which I will be visiting (Phuket too):
[URL]http://www.edenbangkok.com/[/URL]
[URL]http://devilsdenthailand.com/[/URL]
I the "analist" intend to get it on day one!
Does anybody know if Witch's Tavern along Soi Thonglor is still open?
In the 90's I used to enjoy taking a lady there for some food and the live band.
I heard mixed messages about it being closed.
The website wasn't any help; it seemed out of date.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1668848]Here is the way I see it? Harold444.
[/QUOTE]Harold again? That is [B]so[/B] '13! But yes. With a twist of arrogance.
[QUOTE=TheCane;1668923]I intend to tap a Thai tute's "toot" on day one on the ground. [URL]http://devilsdenthailand.com/[/URL]
[/QUOTE]Just so you know, they have a routine, a script they follow. It may not be the free for all you imagine with 2 women. It's Like going to Benihana, you order what you like, THEY prepare it and it's enjoyable. Before going into the room, make sure they understand what IT is you want and how they're to act with each other and you. This from a fellow freak who recently went. Also don't expect the same twenty somethings, like in Brazil. But this being Thailand, you may think they're twenty somethings. The good things is they're all Bi. They open at 1p. Get there early to see the full lineup. Glad to see you found their REAL website. Best of luck.
Viagra, Kamagra or Cialis.
Seems there are a lot of fakes out there in Thailand. With my trip coming up, I want to try these pills out.
Presently I have no problems with ED, my problem is shooting my load too soon. If anyone has any insight where to get legit pills, would be helpful.
Also, anybody take these pills that don't need them? What happens, get a super strong boner for 6 hours or what?
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1669533]Viagra, Kamagra or Cialis. With my trip coming up, I want to try these pills out.
If anyone has any insight where to get legit pills, would be helpful. What happens, get a super strong boner for 6 hours or what?[/QUOTE]Not sure if these will "help" with your problem, as they're for ED. If no problem getting it UP, don't take them. Readily available on Beach Road; I've seen guys hawking them on Soi 6 and Soi 7. RTFF as to which pharmacies have them and prices.
If you get a 4 HR+ boner, you've just killed your cocgk. It will turn black and will be amputated. Congrats, you're now a eunuch. Hench, the warning about seeking immediate medical attention in the commercials. Also, if your family has a history of heart problems, careful taking these drugs. That's why a Doc has to screen and prescribe them to you, (at least in the US.).
I got a 50 gel pack of Kamagra from a dude on Soi 7 for 1000 baht. He initially wanted 1500 baht. Works like it's suppose too. Another one is Black Ant King, aka the Black Hand, found on the street for around 300 baht for 10 pack. Works for some, doesn't work for others. I haven't priced C nor V. That problem, BTW, is ALL in your head. Best of luck.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1669533]
Presently I have no problems with ED, my problem is shooting my load too soon. [/QUOTE]Cialis / Viagra ect will not help with premature ejaculation. My prescription to you is visit Thailand (BKK and Pattaya), relax, have a great time, enjoy the scenery, and shag at least 2 or 3 girls per day for 10 days. The important thing is to relax and not beat yourself up over this. Every guy ever born has shot is wad too soon once in a while. After 10 days of banging your brains out, assuming there are no accompanying physical complications, your problem should go away or at least dissipate somewhat. If not I would then consult with a qualified Physician when you return home.
This medical article by the esteemed Mayo Clinic should help explain the issue and its ramifications in much further detail. [URL]http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/premature-ejaculation/basics/definition/con-20031160[/URL].
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1669533]Viagra, Kamagra or Cialis.
Seems there are a lot of fakes out there in Thailand. With my trip coming up, I want to try these pills out.
Presently I have no problems with ED, my problem is shooting my load too soon. If anyone has any insight where to get legit pills, would be helpful.
Also, anybody take these pills that don't need them? What happens, get a super strong boner for 6 hours or what?[/QUOTE]Actually, one of these may help, but it's more of a side-effect than an intended consequence.
Many guys report that Viagra, Cialis to a lesser extent, and Levitra reduce sensitivity. You can get really hard but have a difficult time finishing. Dosage may be a contributing factor, I. E. The effect is worse if you take a bit too much.
In my case, (yes, TMI) a 20 MG Levitra pill works wonders, but significantly reduces sensitivity. A couple of weeks ago the girl in question kept raving about how long I was going, how much she loved it, and how I was never like that in the past. She may have been digging it, but I was getting tired and wanted to get things over with. :D
So, I recommend, if you want to try them, get them from a reputable on-line pharmacy. Don't buy the ones in Thailand off the street. Start with SMALL doses and experiment, because they have different effects on each individual. You do NOT want an overdose of Viagra.
Spring for a Senior Membership and I'll PM you a good web site.
[QUOTE=JavaMan;1669554]I got a 50 gel pack of Kamagra from a dude on Soi 7 for 1000 baht. He initially wanted 1500 baht. Works like it's suppose too. Another one is Black Ant King, aka the Black Hand, found on the street for around 300 baht for 10 pack. Works for some, doesn't work for others. I haven't priced C nor V. That problem, BTW, is ALL in your head. Best of luck.[/QUOTE]V and see can easily be found online for under a dollar per pill.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1669533]Viagra, Kamagra or Cialis.
Seems there are a lot of fakes out there in Thailand. With my trip coming up, I want to try these pills out.
Presently I have no problems with ED, my problem is shooting my load too soon. If anyone has any insight where to get legit pills, would be helpful.
Also, anybody take these pills that don't need them? What happens, get a super strong boner for 6 hours or what?[/QUOTE]These pills won't help you with shooting your load too soon. But the time between getting another hard-on will be reduced.
For me Viagra and Kamagra (or any of the generic variants) will work for about four hours and I feel their effects about 30 minutes after taking one. Generally my erection gets harder and lasts longer. So I take one when I plan an extended session, like LT or a threesome at Eden Club.
I always buy my supply from a pharmacy in Bangkok and never got fakes. I wouldn't advise you to buy them from a street hawker.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1669712]These pills won't help you with shooting your load too soon. But the time between getting another hard-on will be reduced.
For me Viagra and Kamagra (or any of the generic variants) will work for about four hours and I feel their effects about 30 minutes after taking one. Generally my erection gets harder and lasts longer. So I take one when I plan an extended session, like LT or a threesome at Eden Club.
I always buy my supply from a pharmacy in Bangkok and never got fakes. I wouldn't advise you to buy them from a street hawker.[/QUOTE]Don't you need a prescription for it or are pharmacies in Thailand different?
JR
[QUOTE=JusRide;1669750]Don't you need a prescription for it or are pharmacies in Thailand different?
JR[/QUOTE]The pharmacies in store fronts along lower Sukhumvit sell brand name Viagra and Cialis without a prescription. I know of one pharmacy close to the US Embassy that requires a prescription.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1669533]Viagra, Kamagra or Cialis.
Seems there are a lot of fakes out there in Thailand. With my trip coming up, I want to try these pills out.
Presently I have no problems with ED, my problem is shooting my load too soon. If anyone has any insight where to get legit pills, would be helpful.
Also, anybody take these pills that don't need them? What happens, get a super strong boner for 6 hours or what?[/QUOTE]These tabs facilitate the hardening and its onset but its your head that does the job so forget about 4 and 6 hour boners.
I have been inside a lady for close to 4 hours but wasn't rock hard every single moment.
To extend time, you need to look for dapoxetene or priology- something line that. I tried kutub. Indian generic which is a copy of dapo. But it did not work at all.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1669930]The pharmacies in store fronts along lower Sukhumvit sell brand name Viagra and Cialis without a prescription. I know of one pharmacy close to the US Embassy that requires a prescription.[/QUOTE]Lower meaning south of Asok station?
Thanks!
[QUOTE=JusRide;1669750]Don't you need a prescription for it or are pharmacies in Thailand different?
JR[/QUOTE]I have read somewhere (don't know where anymore) that you need a prescription officially. But this is SE Asia and as you might know a lot of things can be arranged 'unofficially' here. Or in other words: if they can make some money it can be done.
[QUOTE=WhereYouGo;1670035]Lower meaning south of Asok station?
Thanks![/QUOTE]Sorry for not being clearer. Lower Sukhumvit refers to the section of the street with the lower numbered sois, which would be section to the west of Asoke heading towards the Nana station and beyond.
[QUOTE=JavaMan;1669554]
If you get a 4 HR+ boner, you've just killed your cocgk. It will turn black and will be amputated. Congrats, you're now a eunuch. Hench, the warning about seeking immediate medical attention in the commercials. Also, if your family has a history of heart problems, careful taking these drugs. That's why a Doc has to screen and prescribe them to you, (at least in the US.)..[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/mans-penis-amputated-after-viagra-overdose-8835146.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=JusRide;1669750]Don't you need a prescription for it or are pharmacies in Thailand different?
JR[/QUOTE]I have never been asked for a prescription, so indeed I guess pharmacies in Thailand are different.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1670199]I have never been asked for a prescription, so indeed I guess pharmacies in Thailand are different.[/QUOTE]I was in Bangkok a couple of months ago and was told by two chain pharmacies that a prescription was now needed. One simply said I had to get a prescription from a doctor, the other had a guy who said he could write the prescription for me. I'm sure though there are many pharmacies that still sell viagra / cialis without a prescription but maybe not so many with recognizable chain names such as those found in malls.
Before that I had never been asked for a prescription, but don't recall if I ever asked for viagra / cialis at a mall or chain pharmacy. I usually bought the stuff as Indian generics at lower Sukhumvit independent pharmacies (at least seemingly independent), but have gotten rightly or wrongly a bit concerned about contaminants, etc. , with these.
[QUOTE=JavaMan;1669554].
If you get a 4 HR+ boner, you've just killed your cock. It will turn black and will be amputated. Congrats, you're now a eunuch...[/QUOTE]That is awful. From now on I think I'll keep a stop watch going while having sex, and at 3 hours 59 minutes I'll think about something sure to be a boner killer.
I used to use Mr Toom's services, but he is not responding.
Anyone can please share email details of good Minivan Driver (English speaking).
Thanks
Couple of more Scams to be aware of.
Somebody posted that cigarette scam that the police with green patches are doing and the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] test as of lately.
Then the airport duty free scam where not only is it higher prices but they may accuse a person of stealing.
And if you go to Cambodia and buy cigs and come back through customs with more than 200 cigs, they will hold you and fine you "bribe".
Not to mention someone said, they are conducting some raids in Pattaya and PatPong?
I suppose I better register at the US Embassy so they can get me out of jail within the next 2-3 weeks! I guess being drunk on the streets of Bangkok isn't too bad of an offense, nobody talks about that one!
Dang!
What's up with the new law that started today that says entertainment venues can only sell alcohol from 9 pm-midnight?
[URL]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/794366-restriction-of-liquor-sale-time-takes-effect-today-throughout-thailand/?utm_source=newsletter-20150124-0739&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news[/URL]
SOURCE:
[URL]http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/nbtc-now-mandates-owners-prepaid-sim-cards-register-security-reason[/URL]
TEXT:
The National Broadcasting and Telecommunication Commission (NBTC) now orders all mobile phone operators to require mandatory registration of all owners of prepaid SIM cards by end of July, otherwise their phone use will be cut off.
The mandatory registration of prepaid SIM cards by the NBTC was decided for security reason as many unregistered SIM cards had been used by southern insurgents in igniting bomb explosions, and some were used to deceive the people.
The NBTC held a meeting with five state and private mobile phone operators today and reached an agreement that the service providers will notify their prepaid customers to produce identification documents for registration of their SIM cards from February 1 to July 31.
Failure to register their prepaid SIM cards, service providers will cut off their phone signals, thus disrupting their outgoing calls and Internet connections.
However they still can use the phones to receive call for a certain period. At present there are 90 million prepaid users but only 1. 7 million have registered.
Meanwhile the NBTC said it will hold a public forum to sound out opinions from the people on the per second call charge to be introduced before mandating all operators to replace their per minute call charge to per second call charge.
It also said that by February 14, all phone operators will roll out per-second call charge promotion packages to their customers as part of the "Returning Happiness to the People" scheme of the military junta.
[QUOTE=HarryDude;1670188][URL]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/mans-penis-amputated-after-viagra-overdose-8835146.html[/URL][/QUOTE]A 66 year old man trying to impress his new girlfriend.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1673309]What's up with the new law that started today that says entertainment venues can only sell alcohol from 9 pm-midnight?
[URL]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/794366-restriction-of-liquor-sale-time-takes-effect-today-throughout-thailand/?utm_source=newsletter-20150124-0739&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news[/URL][/QUOTE]That was really poorly written and confusing to follow. I did a little research and found the following two pieces that make a lot more sense to me (first one has a 2015 update.
[URL]http://faranginbangkok.com/2013/01/24/alcohol-in-thailand-when-you-can-buy-where-you-can-buy-when-you-can-drink-where-you-can-drink/[/URL]
[URL]http://faranginbangkok.com/2010/09/01/buying-alcohol-in-thailand-mid-afternoon-prohibition/[/URL]
Seems to me the issue is more about them enforcing the many laws around alcoholic sales (and other matters) that they already have on the books.
[QUOTE=JusRide;1669750]Don't you need a prescription for it or are pharmacies in Thailand different?
JR[/QUOTE]The law says yes, but many ingnore the law, also most pharmacies have no pharmacist. Thats how one pharmacy served up an anaestheitic to one guy as a sleeping pill for the flight back home. He sure slept all the way, luckily no plane change in Tokyo, so they just left him is his seat.
[QUOTE=Bunky;1673665]SOURCE:
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It also said that by February 14, all phone operators will roll out per-second call charge promotion packages to their customers as part of the "Returning Happiness to the People" scheme of the military junta.[/QUOTE]We will see how it goes. In Argentina, shorty after the cellphones boomed in sales about 10 years ago, the then president mandated that unregistered SIMs would not have been tolerated anymore (in reality regulations never allowed unregistered SIMs to be sold). Big meeting, etc. Then [B]nothing came out of it[/B].
I cannot believe that wearing shorts is an issue for some on here and the argument rages on.
In the USA, shorts are normal. OK, so its not so normal in Thailand, I get it. When I see youtube videos of Thailand, I see many many people with shorts and all the ladies have a skirt or shorts for sure.
So I ask myself a question or two. Do I want to be sweaty in pants or comfortable in shorts? Shorts win. I know some establishments won't let you in with shorts, just like in the States, so that's the deal.
I plan to use shorts daytime and maybe pants nighttime. For those of you that want to be little-Hitlers and insist people wear certain clothing, I ask you, what colors should one wear or avoid? Should I walk on the right side of the street or the left side?
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1674150]I cannot believe that wearing shorts is an issue for some on here and the argument rages on.
In the USA, shorts are normal. OK, so its not so normal in Thailand, I get it. When I see youtube videos of Thailand, I see many many people with shorts and all the ladies have a skirt or shorts for sure.
So I ask myself a question or two. Do I want to be sweaty in pants or comfortable in shorts? Shorts win. I know some establishments won't let you in with shorts, just like in the States, so that's the deal.
I plan to use shorts daytime and maybe pants nighttime. For those of you that want to be little-Hitlers and insist people wear certain clothing, I ask you, what colors should one wear or avoid? Should I walk on the right side of the street or the left side?[/QUOTE]The problem is not to short or not? Wear what you want and when you want it but the suggestion is don't smell?
I suggest do not wear white. Especially if you are old and have a problem unless you got a pamper. I know a guy that did and it was not pretty. I couldn't show my face at the place for over a year.
[QUOTE=TheCane;1673677]That was really poorly written and confusing to follow. I did a little research and found the following two pieces that make a lot more sense to me (first one has a 2015 update.
[URL]http://faranginbangkok.com/2013/01/24/alcohol-in-thailand-when-you-can-buy-where-you-can-buy-when-you-can-drink-where-you-can-drink/[/URL]
[URL]http://faranginbangkok.com/2010/09/01/buying-alcohol-in-thailand-mid-afternoon-prohibition/[/URL]
Seems to me the issue is more about them enforcing the many laws around alcoholic sales (and other matters) that they already have on the books.[/QUOTE]Agree it seems again making a statement but the find print and clarification is nothing is going to change as long as they got the Intertainment license.
Thailand is not the only country to do it, more and more countries have done it. But it creates a big issue for tourists who jet around for brief periods as buying a sim to stay in touch becomes a hassle. They have already removed free WiFi from Suvarnabhumi airport so this next step is going to create a lot more problems. Hopefully we can still buy pre paid sims from 7/11. Anyone?
[QUOTE=Bunky;1673665]SOURCE:
[URL]http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/nbtc-now-mandates-owners-prepaid-sim-cards-register-security-reason[/URL]
TEXT:
The National Broadcasting and Telecommunication Commission (NBTC) now orders all mobile phone operators to require mandatory registration of all owners of prepaid SIM cards by end of July, otherwise their phone use will be cut off.
The mandatory registration of prepaid SIM cards by the NBTC was decided for security reason as many unregistered SIM cards had been used by southern insurgents in igniting bomb explosions, and some were used to deceive the people.
The NBTC held a meeting with five state and private mobile phone operators today and reached an agreement that the service providers will notify their prepaid customers to produce identification documents for registration of their SIM cards from February 1 to July 31..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1673905]We will see how it goes. In Argentina, shorty after the cellphones boomed in sales about 10 years ago, the then president mandated that unregistered SIMs would not have been tolerated anymore (in reality regulations never allowed unregistered SIMs to be sold). Big meeting, etc. Then [B]nothing came out of it[/B].[/QUOTE]Well in the Dominican Republic last June it came to pass. If you didn't go to your respective company to register your #/ SIM with your I'd then your SIM was deactivated. I just so happened to be in the country at the time and was able to save mine.
[QUOTE=Omigawd;1674409] They have already removed free WiFi from Suvarnabhumi airport SNIP [/QUOTE]Go to Coffeeworld at Suvarnabhumi, they have free WiFi. No registration required.
And maybe there are more restaurants with free WiFi but I always sit at Coffeeworld so I don't know that.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1674150]I cannot believe that wearing shorts is an issue for some on here and the argument rages on.
I plan to use shorts daytime and maybe pants nighttime. For those of you that want to be little-Hitlers and insist people wear certain clothing, I ask you, what colors should one wear or avoid? Should I walk on the right side of the street or the left side?[/QUOTE]Ted, Ted, Ted, what are you missing?
By now it should be patently obvious that many of the posters here just have insufficient social skills, or looks or a combination thereof, to convince the women in their daily lives to have sex with them. We all know them from school, work, etc. Not a crime and doesn't make them bad people. In fact your post supports this.
So for that contingent, many recommendations are made in these threads. Clearly one rationale is, if they have difficulty in their home arena then how could they possibly navigate the complex, often inscrutable world of Asian P4P sex?
No one is suggesting that one needs to wear his Sunday best, or polish his shoes or even shave. If you've spent even 5 minutes in lower suk you will have seen some of the weirdest creatures on the planet. And that's not even considering the Thai's.
Its just some basic common sense to make oneself as appealing as conveniently possible to enjoy as much of what they came to the LOS for.
Ted, if pants make you sweat in BKK then by all means wear shorts. If you are comfortable with it then you could probably wear only cowboy boots and a Speedo if you like and absolutely no one will bother you.
No one's a "Hitler" here.
The advice is simply about maximizing your success rate and like all advice you either take it, some of it or none of it. It's simply there for you to consider.
[QUOTE=Omigawd;1674409]Thailand is not the only country to do it, more and more countries have done it. But it creates a big issue for tourists who jet around for brief periods as buying a sim to stay in touch becomes a hassle. They have already removed free WiFi from Suvarnabhumi airport so this next step is going to create a lot more problems. Hopefully we can still buy pre paid sims from 7/11. Anyone?[/QUOTE]Yes, I was just in 7/11 to load more credits / time and they still sell prepaid sim cards.
JR
[QUOTE=JusRide;1674546]Yes, I was just in 7/11 to load more credits / time and they still sell prepaid sim cards.
JR[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info, I better get mine quickly.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1674493]Go to Coffeeworld at Suvarnabhumi, they have free WiFi. No registration required.
And maybe there are more restaurants with free WiFi but I always sit at Coffeeworld so I don't know that.[/QUOTE]Nice, thanks for the tip.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1673309]What's up with the new law that started today that says entertainment venues can only sell alcohol from 9 pm-midnight?
[URL]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/794366-restriction-of-liquor-sale-time-takes-effect-today-throughout-thailand/?utm_source=newsletter-20150124-0739&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheCane;1673677]That was really poorly written and confusing to follow. I did a little research and found the following two pieces that make a lot more sense to me (first one has a 2015 update.
[URL]http://faranginbangkok.com/2013/01/24/alcohol-in-thailand-when-you-can-buy-where-you-can-buy-when-you-can-drink-where-you-can-drink/[/URL]
[URL]http://faranginbangkok.com/2010/09/01/buying-alcohol-in-thailand-mid-afternoon-prohibition/[/URL]
Seems to me the issue is more about them enforcing the many laws around alcoholic sales (and other matters) that they already have on the books.[/QUOTE]The original article was poorly written, probably by a native Thai speaker. But the meaning appears to be clear. No (legal) alcohol sales after midnight.
The afternoon ban remains in place. I've run into that on occasion, heading back to the condo in the afternoon. I stopped at the nearby 7-Inches to pick up some beers for the fridge. Nope. Huh? WTF?
But now it appears they want to limit alcohol sales everywhere to 10 hours. Bars would presumable have to institute a sort of split shift arrangement. Tourists will need to start getting a buzz by 11:00 am, take a siesta in the afternoon, then hit the bottle with a vengeance until midnight. :D
Now in true Thai fashion, I'm sure there will be (more than) a few greased palms, and the bars will continue to sell until 2:00, or whenever. So, not to worry.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1674150]I cannot believe that wearing shorts is an issue for some on here and the argument rages on.
In the USA, shorts are normal. OK, so its not so normal in Thailand, I get it. When I see youtube videos of Thailand, I see many many people with shorts and all the ladies have a skirt or shorts for sure.
So I ask myself a question or two. Do I want to be sweaty in pants or comfortable in shorts? Shorts win. I know some establishments won't let you in with shorts, just like in the States, so that's the deal.
I plan to use shorts daytime and maybe pants nighttime. For those of you that want to be little-Hitlers and insist people wear certain clothing, I ask you, what colors should one wear or avoid? Should I walk on the right side of the street or the left side?[/QUOTE]Dayum, Ted. A noob, who's never been, jumping in here and throwing around the "H" word?
Wear whatever the hell you want. As RJ said, wear a Speedo and boots if it makes you feel better. But don't be so proud as to be incapable of taking advice from those who have more experience.
If you're hanging out all day in the hooker bars of Lower Suk, nobody will care, although you WILL be treated nicer if you dress neatly and smell good. If you plan to go to other parts of town, and interact with other people, a bit of discretion may be in order. Obviously you can't get into a temple wearing shorts. I think you still can't get into 5-star hotels after 5:00 with shorts. Years ago I went into the Mandarin, wearing shorts, in the afternoon. When the clock struck 5 I was suddenly Persona Non Grata.
(At this point I'd launch into an anecdote about me, a Thai lady in nice shorts, and the Skybar at State Tower, but I don't want to belabor the point).
Wear what you like, but bear in mind that no Thai adult male wears shorts away from the beach, and act accordingly.
Oh, and as far as snarky comments concerning colors, yes, here, too, some advice. I would avoid wearing a red shirt. Yes, farangs have special dispensation in a lot of areas, but it's best to avoid that. I have a yellow polo shirt with the royal crest on the pocket. I no longer feel comfortable wearing that, either. However, you can wear a pink shirt and get respect from both sides of the political spectrum.
As far as which side of the street to walk on, it doesn't matter. But never forget to look RIGHT and then left, unless you wish to become one with the front of a bus.
P. P.
I never thought about it? Discretion? The only time I wear long pants is when I go home to the States meantime it is short everywhere including Temples, and I've been to lots of them. Maybe that is why I'm having such bad luck here and got kicked out of one and it was not for wearing shorts. Good idea. Going to get me a pair in case Thanks. See, even in a topic where we are beating it to death one can learn something from it.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1675058]I would avoid wearing a red shirt. Yes, farangs have special dispensation in a lot of areas, but it's best to avoid that. I have a yellow polo shirt with the royal crest on the pocket. I no longer feel comfortable wearing that, either. However, you can wear a pink shirt and get respect from both sides of the political spectrum.[/QUOTE]Wow I didn't think Red / Yellow shirts political conflict would effect what the tourists wear. I would be more careful about choosing my shirts for next trip LOL. Thanks for the heads up.
[QUOTE=MerZues;1675157]Wow I didn't think Red / Yellow shirts political conflict would effect what the tourists wear.[/QUOTE]Unless there are active protests by one of the color parties I think you are fine. A farang wearing red is considered different than a Thai wearing red. If people altogether stopped wearing colors that were at one time or another co-opted by a political party there would be few options remaining.
I was in Bangkok May 2010 during the week leading up to and the day of the final battle that ended the Red protests. Experienced Marshall Law, heavily armed troops in the streets, and the shoot-to-kill curfew. There was [I]no way on God's green earth[/I] I would have worn red at that time, and have by habit kept it to a minimum ever since. But yes I do bring and wear some red with me.
When in doubt look around and see what others (locals / tourists) are wearing. This concept cuts across the entire clothing debate. And if you are getting stares or strange looks while you are out and about it might be time to re-evaluate your choices.
SunLover.
[QUOTE=MerZues;1675157]Wow I didn't think Red / Yellow shirts political conflict would effect what the tourists wear. I would be more careful about choosing my shirts for next trip LOL. Thanks for the heads up.[/QUOTE]As Sunlover said, it doesn't affect farang as much. But, IMHO, it's best to simply avoid it. I don't own any red shirts because I don't like the color. But I used to wear my yellow shirt with the royal crest. After 2009/2010 I noticed rater odd looks, especially from cabbies and others from the Isaan region. I began to feel slightly uncomfortable so I stopped wearing it. The GF recommends not to wear either color. Pink is the "other" royal color, so that appears to be safe. It's always good form in Thailand to show support for the king.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1675148]P. P.
I never thought about it? Discretion? The only time I wear long pants is when I go home to the States meantime it is short everywhere including Temples, and I've been to lots of them. Maybe that is why I'm having such bad luck here and got kicked out of one and it was not for wearing shorts. Good idea. Going to get me a pair in case Thanks. See, even in a topic where we are beating it to death one can learn something from it.[/QUOTE]You got me to thinking. I know you can't get into the Royal Palace with shorts. But I seem to recall the GF insisting I wear shorts on some particularly hot days, and we did get into some temples. So, that may not be a hard and fast rule in Thailand.
However, I have been actively refused entry into temples in Myanmar while wearing shorts. They take things a bit more seriously there. You even have to remove your socks.
What did you do to get yourself thrown out of a temple? That must have taken some effort! :D
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1675302] A farang wearing red is considered different than a Thai wearing red.
SunLover.[/QUOTE]Absent an active conflict, if a farang wears red all the Thai's see is green.
[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1675471]Absent an active conflict, if a farang wears red all the Thai's see is green.[/QUOTE]And purple. And white. 5555555.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1675302]Unless there are active protests by one of the color parties I think you are fine. A farang wearing red is considered different than a Thai wearing red. If people altogether stopped wearing colors that were at one time or another co-opted by a political party there would be few options remaining.
I was in Bangkok May 2010 during the week leading up to and the day of the final battle that ended the Red protests. Experienced Marshall Law, heavily armed troops in the streets, and the shoot-to-kill curfew. There was [I]no way on God's green earth[/I] I would have worn red at that time, and have by habit kept it to a minimum ever since. But yes I do bring and wear some red with me.
When in doubt look around and see what others (locals / tourists) are wearing. This concept cuts across the entire clothing debate. And if you are getting stares or strange looks while you are out and about it might be time to re-evaluate your choices.
SunLover.[/QUOTE]I have a great Nike Golf polo shirt cost me a pretty penny back home. I wanted to wear whenever I went to a place to watch the 49 ers games here in Pattaya. I also wanted to wear on Valentines and Christmas but because I have been mistaken a number of times as being Thai, I shelf the thing to be sure I do not put myself in a bad position and the yellow one too.
I wore a red shirt during the first siege outside of central world. Before it started to get serious, the issan girls did get a bit sweet on me. Of course as it turned more serious I stopped that. Now days I would never do it. To infected.
Thailand has three of the top 25 most visited cities in the world! Bangkok, Phuket, and Pattaya. And I shall visit all three on my maiden voyage!
[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/29/travel/gallery/most-visited-cities-euromonitor/index.html[/URL]
Hi guys,
Sorry if this is a bit off topic. But I think its finally time to start learning the language of my favorite (mongering) destination. Can anyone recommend an online course that can help me learn the bare basics: the alphabet, and some chit chat beyond "kuhn suai mak", "kaphuh krap", etc. ?
I am not trying to become a native speaker over night. Just to get a good base and then maybe take some Thai lessons while I am there over the summer.
Many thanks!
Uncle-V.
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1678729]Hi guys,
Sorry if this is a bit off topic. But I think its finally time to start learning the language of my favorite (mongering) destination. Can anyone recommend an online course that can help me learn the bare basics: the alphabet, and some chit chat beyond "kuhn suai mak", "kaphuh krap", etc. ?
I am not trying to become a native speaker over night. Just to get a good base and then maybe take some Thai lessons while I am there over the summer.
Many thanks!
Uncle-V.[/QUOTE][URL]http://highspeedthai.com/[/URL] is the best. If you want to try by yourself the old way, I can link a couple PDFs in PM.
[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1678757][URL]http://highspeedthai.com/[/URL] is the best. If you want to try by yourself the old way, I can link a couple PDFs in PM.[/QUOTE]Khap khun mak na krap!
Do send those pdfs.
Kaaw an ni krap.
I need all the help I can get. LOL.
Alphabets looks impossible.
Initial Assessment of Thailand.
Bangkok and Pattaya reminds me of turd world Mexico City and Tijuana. Many people, many cars, pop up vendors along the sidewalks. The smell of sewer is about everywhere, the sidewalks are misaligned and things poping up on the sidewalks, drivers are crazy, no respect for traffic laws. The roads were paved 40 years ago and its shows, never repaved again. And its hotter than shit here and that reminds me of Havana.
I think Pattaya is better for partying, but might as well put a vagina on the map with a beer and baht next to it. Pattaya in general probably has more white people than Thais! The Engliah are everywhere! Then the Aussies and the other Scandinavian representatives, a lot of Japanese too. Maybe rename Central Pattaya to Little London.
I like the freelancer bars the best, no haggling of lady drinks. In Bangkok, the Beer Garden was the best (that I could find). I haven't yet found a comparable bar like that one in Pattaya yet.
My mongering back home was a once very two weeks hobby, in Thailand, I have to fit it into my vacation of two weeks. And by the way, in the USA we call holiday a one day special day such as Christmas, New Years, Thanksgiving. We call time off of work to rest and relax a vacation, so a tad bit confused about the use of the word holiday.
So my initial assessment of Thailand is probably going to irritate some of you, well, it is what it is.
I'm 40 something years old and hop this place is here in 20+ years so I can be like the men I see now getting young tail! Seriously.
I would like to propose an area of discussion regarding the undying respect some of our fellow members give the working girls here in Thaialnd. I am curious to know why some of us feel the need to defend the honor of these girls? I am really curious. I would like to give a quick example for the members to ponder. Recently I met a girl from Facebook. White skinned from Changmai. We went out on a couple of dates and planned a Valentines date for the 14th. Great sex after the second date. Her friend I met on one of our dates had met three different Thai guys throughout the evening, two married and one single. She was stringing all of them along because of financial reasons. My girl suddenly out of the blue sends me a line message last night telling me her friend needed 7000 Baht to pay her overdue rent and she wanted to help her but didn't have the Money. Promised she would pay me back. So in her eyes I should give this to her and trust her 100% to pay me back all after two dates. To make a long story short after I said no she began calling me down and sent pictures of her pilot boyfriend to me telling me I was no good and he was good. In conclusion she was also attempting to string me along. So my question again is why do some of the fellow members insist on trying to defend the honor of these girls? In my eyes it's simple. We pay and they stay LOL. If we can keep this discussion civil, I would really like to know.
Tough choice but I would pick Bangkok / Pattaya.
Of course there are many factors that play into it.
Tijuana is near the border, so a person can have a hotel in San Diego and go down to Tijuana for activities. I never seen LT girls in Tijuana, they were always one shot mamas or time period specific and almost very case, girls have pregnancy stretch marks and they are young. And by the way there is only one section of town that has the ladies of the night, called the Cahuilla (ka'wheeela) just as short as Soi Cowboy and that's it. Two different pricing structures for foreigners and Mexicans.
Then there's Habana, Cuba where the girls are everywhere and will basically go with you to bang simply for taking them out for a meal. Of course there is their red light district called the Malecon (the main drag along the sea) and the beaches are wonderful, many black and mulatto girls. The girls that are straight out hookers are called jinateras (heen'a'teras). Basically like Thailand except there are hardly any businesses, you have to ask some of the girls where the clubs are. When you go to the clubs, you are a star! At the clubs there are jinateras. Costs on the ladies are $20 to $50 USD and its always LT unless things have changed or negotiated for ST.
So in conclusion, Tijuana is close, but [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor for a large section of red light districts and gals are marked up. Havana is great for Mongering, girls everywhere, you just need to sort out the good ones and if you like black or mulatto then this really good for you. Plus Havana is close to the states and the trip isn't exhausting.
So what about Bangkok? Far exhausting flight from the states 23 hours in all. Girls are everywhere which is good, and it is a party atmosphere with lots of Asian chicks if you have Asian fever, then it is here you should go.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1678929]I would like to propose an area of discussion regarding the undying respect some of our fellow members give the working girls here in Thaialnd. I am curious to know why some of us feel the need to defend the honor of these girls? I am really curious. I would like to give a quick example for the members to ponder. Recently I met a girl from Facebook. White skinned from Changmai. We went out on a couple of dates and planned a Valentines date for the 14th. Great sex after the second date. Her friend I met on one of our dates had met three different Thai guys throughout the evening, two married and one single. She was stringing all of them along because of financial reasons. My girl suddenly out of the blue sends me a line message last night telling me her friend needed 7000 Baht to pay her overdue rent and she wanted to help her but didn't have the Money. Promised she would pay me back. So in her eyes I should give this to her and trust her 100% to pay me back all after two dates. To make a long story short after I said no she began calling me down and sent pictures of her pilot boyfriend to me telling me I was no good and he was good. In conclusion she was also attempting to string me along. So my question again is why do some of the fellow members insist on trying to defend the honor of these girls? In my eyes it's simple. We pay and they stay LOL. If we can keep this discussion civil, I would really like to know.[/QUOTE]Hi Bkkdog,
I won't give you an answer to your question, I keep calm on such questions.
But IMHO I would have given here the asked 7 k, as you said sex was great and she has delivered some "goods" already, however making sure, that would be an exception of the norm. Giving it and looking how it develops can be quiet interesting.
I have numerous times the request, before they have delivered anything, that of course is a strict no go.
In my eyes this cash thing has nothing to do with farangs. Same story applies to wealthy Thai guys. They / We are simply expected to pay, because they / we have it and the girls not. Simple as it is. Nothing grumpy attached to this.
New member and planning my first tourist / mongering trip to Thailand in April for 24 days. Definitely will be spending time in Bangkok and Pattaya, but don't want to spend the whole time in both of those two cities. Reading forum posts for Bangkok Reports and Pattaya Reports going back to Jan 14 since I don't know anything. Looking for some recommendations on other cities / countries to visit. Places with both tourism attractions and a mongering scene. Any recommendations would be awesome.
Thank you
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1678929]I would like to propose an area of discussion regarding the undying respect some of our fellow members give the working girls here in Thailand. I am curious to know why some of us feel the need to defend the honor of these girls? I am really curious. I would like to give a quick example for the members to ponder. Recently I met a girl from Facebook. White skinned from Changmai. We went out on a couple of dates and planned a Valentines date for the 14th. Great sex after the second date. Her friend I met on one of our dates had met three different Thai guys throughout the evening, two married and one single. She was stringing all of them along because of financial reasons. My girl suddenly out of the blue sends me a line message last night telling me her friend needed 7000 Baht to pay her overdue rent and she wanted to help her but didn't have the Money. Promised she would pay me back. So in her eyes I should give this to her and trust her 100% to pay me back all after two dates. To make a long story short after I said no she began calling me down and sent pictures of her pilot boyfriend to me telling me I was no good and he was good. In conclusion she was also attempting to string me along. So my question again is why do some of the fellow members insist on trying to defend the honor of these girls? In my eyes it's simple. We pay and they stay LOL. If we can keep this discussion civil, I would really like to know.[/QUOTE]Well, in reality a Thai girl's honor is high when she does well at what you described. We must understand that Thailand has a thousands year long tradition in this. It is part of their culture, a rich man can have as many GFs as he wants as long he's paying and treats them well. From Kings to policemen of today. If he doesn't pay, they will just walk away. Of course we're talking about women that are attractive, or sexually skilled. The ones that are not are simply not of an interest to anyone and will stick to the only husband they can find, an stay living in country. Just watch two Thai music videos, and one will be about a beautiful country girl that leaves to go live in Bangkok with a rich man that she doesn't love. If I was playing this game, I would not make a big deal, rather try to learn how to play. E. g when asked 7 K loan, offer 2 K gift with some explanation.
Things change when the foreigner is taken for serious money, first the dowry, then buy land, build house, then loose everything. That is a different game.
But with the city girls is easy to get along fueling the relationship with what you can honestly afford and is worth for the returns you get.
[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1678992]Well, in reality a Thai girl's honor is high when she does well at what you described. We must understand that Thailand has a thousands year long tradition in this. It is part of their culture, a rich man can have as many GFs as he wants as long he's paying and treats them well. From Kings to policemen of today. If he doesn't pay, they will just walk away. Of course we're talking about women that are attractive, or sexually skilled. The ones that are not are simply not of an interest to anyone and will stick to the only husband they can find, an stay living in country. Just watch two Thai music videos, and one will be about a beautiful country girl that leaves to go live in Bangkok with a rich man that she doesn't love. If I was playing this game, I would not make a big deal, rather try to learn how to play. E. g when asked 7 K loan, offer 2 K gift with some explanation.
Things change when the foreigner is taken for serious money, first the dowry, then buy land, build house, then loose everything. That is a different game.
But with the city girls is easy to get along fueling the relationship with what you can honestly afford and is worth for the returns you get.[/QUOTE]Very good points but why do we defend their honor in this forum? I can't figure it out!
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1678998]Very good points but why do we defend their honor in this forum? I can't figure it out![/QUOTE]Well actually I've a good opinion about them, is that what you mean (smile) ? They can maintain themselves honestly, what's wrong with that?
You can often read postings like "she has a good job. From a good family. An impressive apartment and drives her own car" or "no money was ever asked or discussed", another pearl is "she seemed embarrassed in accepting the money". That doesn't change things a bit. You can be a young Thai TV star and you would be still expected to pay. It is only when you are known to have no money or fucking someone ugly that you are not.
Once I got to see an house for rent in one of the best neighbors of Bangkok. The very hot girl which family owns it showed up in an BMW convertible, M edition, because she had sold the Mini. From there is was all talks of handling multiple properties until she dropped us off at another Hi-end apartment complex. The young foreigner RE agent that was with me must have soaked the carpet by drooling after her. Now, not that it would ever happen, but if I was to sleep with her I would have no problem to leave 2 or 3 K by the bed stand. She would use them to pay her nails or give to the temple, but I know she would have no objection or problem, perhaps a laugh and a funny comment on the amount.
In some posts I read that the Thai ladies give their BF or husband all the money they earn, in other posts I read that the women are expecting money from the boyfriend husband.
I talked to one Thai female in the states and she says when Thai women get shacked up they combine bank accounts as one right away to share expenses.
So are we taking about normal girls or ladies of the night? Or is there a difference?
[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1679008]Well actually I've a good opinion about them, is that what you mean (smile) ? They can maintain themselves honestly, what's wrong with that?
You can often read postings like "she has a good job. From a good family. An impressive apartment and drives her own car" or "no money was ever asked or discussed", another pearl is "she seemed embarrassed in accepting the money". That doesn't change things a bit. You can be a young Thai TV star and you would be still expected to pay. It is only when you are known to have no money or fucking someone ugly that you are not.
Once I got to see an house for rent in one of the best neighbors of Bangkok. The very hot girl which family owns it showed up in an BMW convertible, M edition, because she had sold the Mini. From there is was all talks of handling multiple properties until she dropped us off at another Hi-end apartment complex. The young foreigner RE agent that was with me must have soaked the carpet by drooling after her. Now, not that it would ever happen, but if I was to sleep with her I would have no problem to leave 2 or 3 K by the bed stand. She would use them to pay her nails or give to the temple, but I know she would have no objection or problem, perhaps a laugh and a funny comment on the amount.[/QUOTE]
I am referring to random members posting a photo, contact info, and sharing intimate details about the Thai girl, bar girl or not and having other members tell him it's wrong to do so. My thinking is these thai girls whether they are working in a bar or not could care two shits about any farang. They are quite happily fucking around with us at the same time as their Thai guy. Many times the Thai man even knows and helps spend the money. I was recently just reminded of this so i posted about my experience. Everyday I read about men losing their money to these girls. Just today I read about a bloke who has overstayed his visa by 4 months and was arrested. Guess what? His excuse was a Thai girl drained his money and then left. If I pick up a random girl, freebie or not I could give a rats ass about her reputation just as she could care less about mine. There's no helping them hook up with other customers, helping them find out about our forum. It's a date and sex after, a casual hook up in my room, or a pay for play situation, that's it. For any member on this forum who thinks that these girls actually have any respect for us then please come and see me. I have a nice bridge for sale. Thai culture is about the men taking care of the woman and it seems the Thai men have a lot more leeway in this than farang. I have even seem bar girls or regular girls supporting their Thai boyfriends. Yes I can agree that not all Thai ladies are like how I describe but I have no intention of protecting their reputations, careers and so on. All I do know is I have never had a complaint from any lady after one of our dates. I take them to nice restaurants, bars, for occasional shopping but I certainly will not be scammed out of my money. This is just my opinion. I hope we can continue to discuss this without taking it personal. Happy mongering guys and take care of your wallets!
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1678929]I would like to propose an area of discussion regarding the undying respect some of our fellow members give the working girls here in Thaialnd. I am curious to know why some of us feel the need to defend the honor of these girls? I am really curious. I would like to give a quick example for the members to ponder. Recently I met a girl from Facebook. White skinned from Changmai. We went out on a couple of dates and planned a Valentines date for the 14th. Great sex after the second date. Her friend I met on one of our dates had met three different Thai guys throughout the evening, two married and one single. She was stringing all of them along because of financial reasons. My girl suddenly out of the blue sends me a line message last night telling me her friend needed 7000 Baht to pay her overdue rent and she wanted to help her but didn't have the Money. Promised she would pay me back. So in her eyes I should give this to her and trust her 100% to pay me back all after two dates. To make a long story short after I said no she began calling me down and sent pictures of her pilot boyfriend to me telling me I was no good and he was good. In conclusion she was also attempting to string me along. So my question again is why do some of the fellow members insist on trying to defend the honor of these girls? In my eyes it's simple. We pay and they stay LOL. If we can keep this discussion civil, I would really like to know.[/QUOTE]To be simple. They are human and so are we and not everyone is cut from the same cookie cutter. Many of us understand exactly what you are talking about and agree with the situation you post but it doesn't mean we have to stoop to that level and label them and generalize. As for defending, no one is insisting. I do not think anyone is defending them no more than you generalizing about your one situation that every Thai girl would do the same.
Would it be right if you met a Thai girl and she told you that she does not like Falang, they are all butterfly come to Thailand and treat us like dogs, lie and then leave. If you heard this it would be obvious that she got burn by a falang would that be fair to you?
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1679031]To be simple. They are human and so are we and not everyone is cut from the same cookie cutter. Many of us understand exactly what you are talking about and agree with the situation you post but it doesn't mean we have to stoop to that level and label them and generalize. As for defending, no one is insisting. I do not think anyone is defending them no more than you generalizing about your one situation that every Thai girl would do the same.
Would it be right if you met a Thai girl and she told you that she does not like Falang, they are all butterfly come to Thailand and treat us like dogs, lie and then leave. If you heard this it would be obvious that she got burn by a falang would that be fair to you?[/QUOTE]Good points but I would still never defend their honour on a sex forum. Yes all cultures have good and bad. You would be very surprised what I hear when my date thinks I cannot understand Thai. That's why I just take every date as a in the moment type of thing. In your example it is is fair to say that Thai girls have been burned by foreigners and vice versa. BTW this is just one situation of many I can describe as well as others.
[QUOTE=Deore27;1678978]New member and planning my first tourist / mongering trip to Thailand in April for 24 days. Definitely will be spending time in Bangkok and Pattaya, but don't want to spend the whole time in both of those two cities. Reading forum posts for Bangkok Reports and Pattaya Reports going back to Jan 14 since I don't know anything. Looking for some recommendations on other cities / countries to visit. Places with both tourism attractions and a mongering scene. Any recommendations would be awesome.
Thank you[/QUOTE]Chiang Mai is in interesting city to visit, but there is no mongering scene to speak of. Hua Hin is also a nice beach town. It's a popular vacation destination for Thais. Both are places you'd want to visit with a honey you met in Bangkok or Pattaya. It would not be hard to find a young lady who would be delighted to go with you. In other countries Phnom Penh is an option. Read posts in the PP thread to help you decide. Angeles City, Philippines is a very popular mongering destination. Again, read the ISG thread. Another option is Macau, specifically the saunas. Macau is more expensive than Bangkok, Pattaya, PP and AC, but the saunas are very interesting. Read the Macau Sauna thread. There are many very god posts that explain in detail how these venues work.
Also, I strongly recommend you pay the US$20 fee and become a senior member with the ability to send and receive private messages. You will get more help from other senior members if they see you are helping to financially support this forum.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1678929]I would like to propose an area of discussion regarding the undying respect some of our fellow members give the working girls here in Thaialnd. I am curious to know why some of us feel the need to defend the honor of these girls? I am really curious. I would like to give a quick example for the members to ponder. Recently I met a girl from Facebook. White skinned from Changmai. We went out on a couple of dates and planned a Valentines date for the 14th. Great sex after the second date. Her friend I met on one of our dates had met three different Thai guys throughout the evening, two married and one single. She was stringing all of them along because of financial reasons. My girl suddenly out of the blue sends me a line message last night telling me her friend needed 7000 Baht to pay her overdue rent and she wanted to help her but didn't have the Money. Promised she would pay me back. So in her eyes I should give this to her and trust her 100% to pay me back all after two dates. To make a long story short after I said no she began calling me down and sent pictures of her pilot boyfriend to me telling me I was no good and he was good. In conclusion she was also attempting to string me along. So my question again is why do some of the fellow members insist on trying to defend the honor of these girls? In my eyes it's simple. We pay and they stay LOL. If we can keep this discussion civil, I would really like to know.[/QUOTE]IMHO, you are mixing up a lot of things that are quiet different. I'm not criticizing you, just giving my own point of view and YMMV.
A "relationship" with a working girl is strictly "business". I don't pay them to stay, I pay them to go away in the morning without any drama; hopefully the sex was good, it may even have been a nice GFE, but there are no real feelings involved. I don't get their FB, email, line or whatever kind of address or even their telephone number. I'm not interested in their friends or family. I'm not on a date with her. We've had our fun and that's it.
Anything more and I'd consider to be on my way to friendship or love. And in Thailand that means you (as the rich farang) will indeed pay for her to stay. The more affluent pay for the less well-off. Actually whether you are a farang or a Thai doesn't matter and perhaps it goes even more for a Thai.
Giving her 7000 baht (or any amount of money or presents) will increase your "face" with her and co-incidentally her giving the money to her friend will increase her standing in her social environment as well. Maybe she will pay you back (in money or services) but that is besides the issue. You are a few steps higher up now because of your jai dee (good heart) and that counts for a lot in Thailand. Our culture values independence and self-reliance whereas the Thail culture is all about connections and status. Next time you ask something from her she'll be honor bound to deliver, but (depending on the "value" of your request) that may then put you in her social debt.
To give you a real example: last time I was in Thailland me and my GF went for a dinner and -as usual- we met some of her friends and she could not do otherwise than to invite them. Of course I paid for the whole dinner. A few days later I asked my GF where I could get a haircut. She grabbed her phone and called one of the friends that joined us for dinner. The guy came by on his motorcycle and drove me to a barber shop, stayed with me the whole time, bought me a coconut drink and drove me back to the hotel. That's the way these things work in Thailand.
But don't misunderstand me. For sure there are mercenary types who abuse this system, but usually you'll find out quickly.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1678998]Very good points but why do we defend their honor in this forum? I can't figure it out![/QUOTE]I'd defend anyone's honor in any forum if it was wrongly put into question.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1679171]I'd defend anyone's honor in any forum if it was wrongly put into question.[/QUOTE]I think that with "defending honor" Bkkdog was referring to members that object to posting explicit details or pictures of a girl. That is a subjective matter and discussion that I'm not even interested to have.
[QUOTE=Deore27;1678978]New member and planning my first tourist / mongering trip to Thailand in April for 24 days. Definitely will be spending time in Bangkok and Pattaya, but don't want to spend the whole time in both of those two cities. Reading forum posts for Bangkok Reports and Pattaya Reports going back to Jan 14 since I don't know anything. Looking for some recommendations on other cities / countries to visit. Places with both tourism attractions and a mongering scene. Any recommendations would be awesome.
Thank you[/QUOTE]Ah, the typical "I am so busy and must cram everything in as short a time as possible" Western attitude!
24 days will be over before you know it.
One week in Bangkok allows you to barely scratch the surface of both touristy and mongering spots. A few days in Kanchanaburi (of "Bridge over the River Kwai" fame) will show you a totaly different part of Thailand. Then move to Pattaya and again a week will be too short to see and experience its sights. Going back to Bangkok for your last few days will give you a nice closure to your trip.
Remember, This is Thailand (TIT) where no plan ever survives contact.
[QUOTE=Deore27;1678978]Definitely will be spending time in Bangkok and Pattaya, but don't want to spend the whole time in both of those two cities. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1679178]24 days will be over before you know it.[/QUOTE]My suggestions are options, but I strongly encourage you to think carefully about W's advice. He knows what he's talking about.
If you do a fair amount of research and arrived with a good idea of what is available in Bangkok and Pattaya, you might discover 24 days is not enough time for just those two destinations. Also Bangkok and Pattaya are different enough so one will not be just a repeat of the other. If you read back through enough posts you'll discover that each city has its fans.
[QUOTE=Deore27;1678978]New member and planning my first tourist / mongering trip to Thailand in April for 24 days. Definitely will be spending time in Bangkok and Pattaya, but don't want to spend the whole time in both of those two cities. Reading forum posts for Bangkok Reports and Pattaya Reports going back to Jan 14 since I don't know anything. Looking for some recommendations on other cities / countries to visit. Places with both tourism attractions and a mongering scene. Any recommendations would be awesome.
Thank you[/QUOTE]Germany has a great FKK scene, check out the german FKK section.
Do you have the budget for such a long trip set aside (and how to access it when oversea's)? Hope your not planning on bringing enough cash to get you thru a 24 day trip.
What about angeles city? Search for some flights into clark field (CRK) out of Bangkok.
Splurge for the $20 membership fee so you can receive pm's, you'll get better info that way.
p.s. I'll be there at the end of April, will post my dates in the travel announcement section when my trips close to departing.
Thanks Wolvenvacht, Paul and Breadman for your advice.
[quote=Wolvenvacht;1679178]One week in Bangkok allows you to barely scratch the surface of both touristy and mongering spots. A few days in Kanchanaburi (of "Bridge over the River Kwai" fame) will show you a totally different part of Thailand. Then move to Pattaya and again a week will be too short to see and experience its sights. Going back to Bangkok for your last few days will give you a nice closure to your trip[/quote].My penciled plan was to start in Bangkok (5 nights), no plan, Pattaya (5 nights), and Bangkok (2-3 nights) to close out the trip. This would give me close to 10 days to find something to do. Kanchanaburi does sound like a awesome place to get away to for a few days.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1679213]Do you have the budget for such a long trip set aside (and how to access it when oversea's)?[/QUOTE]I do have a budget in mind for the trip. Will definitely bring cash with me, but not my full budget. I feel that it's always good to have access to US dollars. Then use ATMs for cash when needed. Read on the ISG forums that Charles Schwab is a good option. Looking into that.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1679213]Splurge for the $20 membership fee so you can receive pm's, you'll get better info that way.[/QUOTE]I did splurge on a $20 membership. Should be able to send / receive PMs. Noticed that it's a good idea to paid sub when asking questions and doing research.
What about beach recommendations? I know Pattaya is a beach city, but I do hear that its crowded and polluted. Not as crowded and a great place to relax for 3 nights.
Thanks again everyone.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1679017]In some posts I read that the Thai ladies give their BF or husband all the money they earn, in other posts I read that the women are expecting money from the boyfriend husband.
I talked to one Thai female in the states and she says when Thai women get shacked up they combine bank accounts as one right away to share expenses.
So are we taking about normal girls or ladies of the night? Or is there a difference?[/QUOTE]"Is there a difference?" You can't be serious.
Traditionally the woman "ran the house" and managed the money. The husband gave his paycheck to the wife, who then paid bills, bought food, whatever. Sometimes there were variations, like the man gave the woman an allotment with which to run the house and he kept the rest. Traditionally, if the woman earned money, she kept it for herself. It will take too long to go into the whys and wherefores of these traditions. Today they have regular community property laws, etc. , so the younger generations may often combine their earnings.
Now, on the other end of the spectrum you have the bar girls who give their earnings to some guy, who then snorts / smokes / injects it. The guy is called a "Maeng Daa" and that is not a compliment. Regular Thai ladies look down on a woman who would give her money to such a man. And all you have to do is to look at a picture of the Maeng Dar Crab to see what society in general thinks of the man who is supported by these women.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1679039]Good points but I would still never defend their honour on a sex forum. Yes all cultures have good and bad. You would be very surprised what I hear when my date thinks I cannot understand Thai. That's why I just take every date as a in the moment type of thing. In your example it is is fair to say that Thai girls have been burned by foreigners and vice versa. BTW this is just one situation of many I can describe as well as others.[/QUOTE]Funny, we are on ISG, not Facebook, Twitter, etc. Where should one actually defend them or one's position. I too agree we all have lots of stories and each one or example are different so should we or you place a basic answer to all situation or conversation. Sure we are mostly talking about P4 P ladies whether they hide behind a dating site so should we just assumed that is where they are now. That being said someone mentioned about posting picture girls from some of these dating website. I'm not for or against since I have no idea how and never posted a picture but I think people have to take things into perspective and not just assume it is okay To do, to me it is just common sense. We have the advantage? How would one feel if one of these girls posted a picture on a dating website and said something negative?
Personally, I think the majority of the dating website here in Thailand is a hide away for P4 P, based on their economy and culture begins and ends with money. Why would a Thai want to hook up with a Falang if it can't benefit them to a better life. Sure there is real love as we want to believe it but Thai relationship outside of their own race is to better themselves, not stay even or go below the line. If you have nothing to offer and for them to show you off they would lose face in front of friends and family. Unless, you are young, in Thai if you can't buy them a house, support them, what are you doing with this old fuck? 555. Now that is a generalization but that doesn't mean I wouldn't give her a chance and defend her etc. To get into her pants. And if she burns me etc. Then I can lump her in with the rest?
[QUOTE=Deore27;1679237]My penciled plan was to start in Bangkok (5 nights), no plan, Pattaya (5 nights), and Bangkok (2-3 nights) to close out the trip. This would give me close to 10 days to find something to do. Kanchanaburi does sound like a awesome place to get away to for a few days.
What about beach recommendations? I know Pattaya is a beach city, but I do hear that its crowded and polluted. Not as crowded and a great place to relax for 3 nights.
[/QUOTE]A 24 day trip should afford you plenty of time to check out the girls and either A) relax on a beautiful island beach or B) see some of the cultural highlights and hill country scenery. My advice is stay in BKK and Pattaya and if you want, add a third destination from either column A) or column B) to your itinerary. Do not try to cram too much into your trip. As I see it, there are three viable itineraries. The length of time I recommend in each destination is merely a suggestion.
Trip 1. Girls Girls & Girls: BKK 14 nights & Pattaya 10 nights. What can I say? This is a great trip and believe me you will not get bored. 555.
Trip 2: Girls & Surf: BKK 9 nights, Pat 7 nights, Phuket 3 nights, and Ko Lipe 5 nights or forget Phuket and Ko Lipe and visit Ko Chang instead: BKK 11 nights, Pat 8 nights, and Ko Chang 5 nights.
Trip 3: Girls & Culture: Bkk 11 nights, Pat 9 nights, Siem Reap 4 nights.
I think any of these itineraries makes for a great trip. Which is the right one for you depends on what interests you. For example, no one can predict a head of time whether you will prefer BKK or Pattaya. I like BKK more, but I still get a kick out Pattaya. Keep in mind that Pattaya is not a beach destination. It is an adult P4 P amusement park on the coast. I enjoy walking Beach Road every day, but the only swimming you will do in Pattaya is at your hotel pool. Therefore choose a Pattaya hotel with a good pool.
If you are into beautiful beaches, as I am, you will notice that I have mentioned two real good ones here: Ko Lipe and Ko Chang. Ko Lipe is quiet, remote and very beautiful. Bring a girl if you want to get laid on Ko Lipe. Ko Chang is 3 hours down the road from Pattaya. It too is very beautiful and it has some great beaches and tranquil outer islands to explore. There are a few girlie bars on Ko Chang, but it is best to bring your own girl. Note: it should not be a problem to find a good girl to bring along if you schedule 8 nights in Pattaya before travelling to Ko Chang. On the other hand, going solo in the middle of a trip and taking a 5 day sex break will do wonders for your libido when you return to Pattaya or BKK and all the madness.
If you are into the cultural aspects I suggest you set aside Chiang Mai for another trip and fly from BKK straight into Siem Reap. Angkor WWat is spectacular and worth 3 days of exploration with a guide. Thailand has nothing to offer on this level although exploring the temples and palaces of Bangkok is really good too and Ayutthaya is an enjoyable daytime excursion from BKK. As far as Siem Reap, the town goes, I actually like it better than Chiang Mai. I find CNX very overrated and touristy. The surrounding hill country is another story. Mae Hong Son is a delightful provincial town.
In any case, you have a few decisions to make. Don't over think it. It is all good. Thailand is still numero uno despite all its problems.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1679262]Now, on the other end of the spectrum you have the bar girls who give their earnings to some guy, who then snorts / smokes / injects it. The guy is called a "Maeng Daa" and that is not a compliment. Regular Thai ladies look down on a woman who would give her money to such a man. And all you have to do is to look at a picture of the Maeng Dar Crab to see what society in general thinks of the man who is supported by these women.[/QUOTE]Isn't Maeng Da "pimp" in Thai?
[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1679176]I think that with "defending honor" Bkkdog was referring to members that object to posting explicit details or pictures of a girl. That is a subjective matter and discussion that I'm not even interested to have.[/QUOTE]You are correct. These girls care nothing about our honour or reputation so I can't figure out why we should care about theirs. Anyways very good information posted about the traditional thai ladies compared to the non traditional ones. There seems to be a farang stereo type that the traditional Thais cling to. In my recent case she was a traditional Thai girl but her and her friend were stringing along multiple guys and I was not going to be a player in her game. A good 60 % of a Thai girls I believe think the same. These will be my P4 P or one night stand options. If I ever try to settle down I will pick one from the other 40%.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1679169]IMHO, you are mixing up a lot of things that are quiet different. I'm not criticizing you, just giving my own point of view and YMMV.
A "relationship" with a working girl is strictly "business". I don't pay them to stay, I pay them to go away in the morning without any drama; hopefully the sex was good, it may even have been a nice GFE, but there are no real feelings involved. I don't get their FB, email, line or whatever kind of address or even their telephone number. I'm not interested in their friends or family. I'm not on a date with her. We've had our fun and that's it.
Anything more and I'd consider to be on my way to friendship or love. And in Thailand that means you (as the rich farang) will indeed pay for her to stay. The more affluent pay for the less well-off. Actually whether you are a farang or a Thai doesn't matter and perhaps it goes even more for a Thai.
Giving her 7000 baht (or any amount of money or presents) will increase your "face" with her and co-incidentally her giving the money to her friend will increase her standing in her social environment as well. Maybe she will pay you back (in money or services) but that is besides the issue. You are a few steps higher up now because of your jai dee (good heart) and that counts for a lot in Thailand. Our culture values independence and self-reliance whereas the Thail culture is all about connections and status. Next time you ask something from her she'll be honor bound to deliver, but (depending on the "value" of your request) that may then put you in her social debt.
To give you a real example: last time I was in Thailland me and my GF went for a dinner and -as usual- we met some of her friends and she could not do otherwise than to invite them. Of course I paid for the whole dinner. A few days later I asked my GF where I could get a haircut. She grabbed her phone and called one of the friends that joined us for dinner. The guy came by on his motorcycle and drove me to a barber shop, stayed with me the whole time, bought me a coconut drink and drove me back to the hotel. That's the way these things work in Thailand.
But don't misunderstand me. For sure there are mercenary types who abuse this system, but usually you'll find out quickly.[/QUOTE]Your current Thai girlfriend sounds very cool but would she be so cool if you suddenly had a financial problem? As with Thai man who might have the same problem, the thai ladies seem to accept it more and help them instead of dumping them right away. But maybe that does not concern you. She has this hanging over your head while you have your activities with the other girls and this forum. Is is a fiat trade off? For me, maybe yes.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1679333]Your current Thai girlfriend sounds very cool but would she be so cool if you suddenly had a financial problem?[/QUOTE]I've lost count of how many American men I've known who had financial problems that led to marital problems with their American wives that ended with divorces. Women marry a men for security. When a man can no longer provide security he no longer serves his primary purpose. Once upon a time marriage was a partnership and the man and woman struggled side by side to eck out a living. But then once upon a time people traveled in wagons and and oxen were used to pull plows.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1679331]You are correct. These girls care nothing about our honour or reputation so I can't figure out why we should care about theirs. Anyways very good information posted about the traditional thai ladies compared to the non traditional ones. There seems to be a farang stereo type that the traditional Thais cling to. In my recent case she was a traditional Thai girl but her and her friend were stringing along multiple guys and I was not going to be a player in her game. A good 60 % of a Thai girls I believe think the same. These will be my P4 P or one night stand options. If I ever try to settle down I will pick one from the other 40%.[/QUOTE]Please don't get me wrong I mean not disrespect to you or your current situation with your girlfriend. I'm just using your example to try and prove a point. As I say here I will never defend the honour of the 60% of Thai girls that have absolutely no respect for us, speak badly behind our backs in Thai, and only have one thing in mind, separating our money from our wallets. I am perfectly happy to do if for good sex but I will not be scammed and lied to about a sick buffalo, friend no money for rent and so on. So why defend their honour if someone posts a photo with their face showing, or a screen shot of a mostly fake facebook profile. I being guilty of both along with other members in the photo gallery. They would never defend me so I will never defend them. 60%.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1679337]I've lost count of how many American men I've known who had financial problems that lead to marital problems with their American wives that ended with divorces. Women marry a men for security. When a man can no longer provide security he no longer serves his primary purpose. Once upon a time marriage was a partnership and the man and woman struggled side by side to eck out a living. But then once upon a time people traveled in wagons and and oxen were used to pull plows.[/QUOTE]Good points Mr. Kausch but with Thai men the girls will go to work and sell their body in the bar and give the money to their Thai boyfriend where if there is a farang man involved it's see you later alligator. She will tolerate it more with a Thai man. In my most recent case, her friend was stringing along Thai guys for money and mine has a pilot boyfriend that would not give her the 7,000 Baht or she was just trying to get it out of me.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1679282]Funny, we are on ISG, not Facebook, Twitter, etc. Where should one actually defend them or one's position. I too agree we all have lots of stories and each one or example are different so should we or you place a basic answer to all situation or conversation. Sure we are mostly talking about P4 P ladies whether they hide behind a dating site so should we just assumed that is where they are now. That being said someone mentioned about posting picture girls from some of these dating website. I'm not for or against since I have no idea how and never posted a picture but I think people have to take things into perspective and not just assume it is okay To do, to me it is just common sense. We have the advantage? How would one feel if one of these girls posted a picture on a dating website and said something negative?
Personally, I think the majority of the dating website here in Thailand is a hide away for P4 P, based on their economy and culture begins and ends with money. Why would a Thai want to hook up with a Falang if it can't benefit them to a better life. Sure there is real love as we want to believe it but Thai relationship outside of their own race is to better themselves, not stay even or go below the line. If you have nothing to offer and for them to show you off they would lose face in front of friends and family. Unless, you are young, in Thai if you can't buy them a house, support them, what are you doing with this old fuck? 555. Now that is a generalization but that doesn't mean I wouldn't give her a chance and defend her etc. To get into her pants. And if she burns me etc. Then I can lump her in with the rest?[/QUOTE]I agree with all of what you say. You are wise man. Why would she want to hook up with a foreigner? Face has a lot to play with it sure. But I really disagree with defending the honour of one of the 60% I speak of. It's a fair trade off for me. They take our money and talk bad about us in Thai as we post their photos and videos and gossip about the sex on this site. All good for me. I could care less if they lose face.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1679344]with Thai men the girls will go to work and sell their body in the bar and give the money to their Thai boyfriend where if there is a farang man involved it's see you later alligator.[/QUOTE]These Thai men are pimps and the women are prostitutes. Prostitutes take money from the johns and give it to their pimps / lovers. It's worked that way all over the world since long before any of us were born. This stuff is universal and not unique to any one culture.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1679327]Isn't Maeng Da "pimp" in Thai?[/QUOTE]Yes. It can also be used for someone who lives off of women. Which, I suppose, a pimp does, too. :)
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1679333]Your current Thai girlfriend sounds very cool but would she be so cool if you suddenly had a financial problem? As with Thai man who might have the same problem, the thai ladies seem to accept it more and help them instead of dumping them right away. [/QUOTE]Yes she's quite cool and between us there is already a whole lot of "social accounting" given that she once saved my life (but that's another story). But nobody can predict the future, so we just have to see what happens if / when it happens.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1679333]But maybe that does not concern you. She has this hanging over your head while you have your activities with the other girls and this forum. Is is a fiat trade off? For me, maybe yes.[/QUOTE]As long as I don't fall in love with someone else, she doesn't seem to mind. Thai women can see the difference between sex and love.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1679337]I've lost count of how many American men I've known who had financial problems that led to marital problems with their American wives that ended with divorces. Women marry a men for security. When a man can no longer provide security he no longer serves his primary purpose.[/QUOTE]Well said Paul.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1679337]Once upon a time marriage was a partnership and the man and woman struggled side by side to eck out a living.[/QUOTE]This something which is much more prevalent still in Thailand it seems. Marriage for the Thai is more about economics than love.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1679337]But then once upon a time people traveled in wagons and and oxen were used to pull plows.[/QUOTE]Or the women and children pulled the plow. Much cheaper than buying an ox.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1679327]Isn't Maeng Da "pimp" in Thai?[/QUOTE]Paul often the literal translations from two language end up coming out different on the other end. In this example the English translation is pimp. This is a man who is generally not in a relationship with his girls. He sexually abuses them a few times and takes a huge cut of their money for so called protection or the right to work in a certain area. The Thai word describes a man simply with no job who is supported by his girlfriend or wife. Whatever she gives him is drank, snorted or injected into his body as well as cheating with other girls. I once new a bar girl working at Mandarin from Surin. She was doing just this with her boyfriend. They have 1 baby together. He is a Thai boxer. Him being an up and comer, she had to go earn a living for the two of them. Would she do the same for her farang boyfriend? Sell her body to help a farang up and coming boxer or support his schooling? I think not. I asked why she was with him? She said " I love him" Of course he was out at the same time as her whoring around with the groupie Thai girls who follow the boxers. This is my point guys. In my recent example the girl has a pilot boyfriend but he couldn't pay the 7,000 but I was classified as the bad guy and he is the good one. Who cares about them. Don't defend their honour, especially here on ISG. If you don't want to see a photo of a Thai girl with her face uncovered, don't look. This is my opinion and please don't get offended by it, anyone. They give two shits about us so we should be the same. However when you are with them acting as a complete gentlemen, buying drinks, paying her for her time, even overpaying if the sex is great is completely understandable in my books. I give my girl at the Madame massage a 1000 THB tip every time. But if she ever asks me for 10,000 Baht I will say no because I defiantly know she is supporting a dead beat Thai guy.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1679327]Isn't Maeng Da "pimp" in Thai?[/QUOTE]Yes, the word แมงดา maaeng- daa- is Thai slang for "pimp," however it's literal meaning is giant water bug. You can find them cooked and available for sale on Thai street food carts catering to bug eaters from Isaan.
Laundry: Highway Robbery.
The hotels and even some to the laundry shops charge a lot of money to do laundry per piece. I bought new shirts at one third over the amount they wanted to charge me instead of getting my laundry done through them.
What do you do for laundry in farangland?
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1679893]Laundry: Highway Robbery.
The hotels and even some to the laundry shops charge a lot of money to do laundry per piece. I bought new shirts at one third over the amount they wanted to charge me instead of getting my laundry done through them.
What do you do for laundry in farangland?[/QUOTE]Simple solution: Don't have the hotel (or any laundry located on an extremely heavily touristed street like Soi Nana) do you laundry.
A brief inspection of almost any soi in BKK will reveal at least one, and usually several, laundries. Yes, it's slightly more effort. And you'll need to bag your laundry yourself, and schlep it to and from the laundry. But you'll save a ton, because laundry in Thailand is very cheap. And they will iron damn near everything, including your underwear. I love Thai laundry services.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1680074]Simple solution: Don't have the hotel (or any laundry located on an extremely heavily touristed street like Soi Nana) do you laundry.
A brief inspection of almost any soi in BKK will reveal at least one, and usually several, laundries. Yes, it's slightly more effort. And you'll need to bag your laundry yourself, and schlep it to and from the laundry. But you'll save a ton, because laundry in Thailand is very cheap. And they will iron damn near everything, including your underwear. I love Thai laundry services.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is so convenient and cheap. They even ironed the bag in which I put the dirty laundry.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1679893]Laundry: Highway Robbery.
The hotels and even some to the laundry shops charge a lot of money to do laundry per piece. I bought new shirts at one third over the amount they wanted to charge me instead of getting my laundry done through them.
What do you do for laundry in farangland?[/QUOTE]I find that there are much fewer laundries on the odd numbered sois of Sukhumvit than on the even-numbered (low numbers). My favourite is a place on Soi 13 called Hispeed. See their website.
[URL]http://www.hispeedlaundry.com[/URL]
When I got on the plane going to Thailand, I knew it was going to be bad. I was wrong, sort of. The total time was 23 hours from Las Vegas to Bangkok including changing planes and layover. Economy seating.
The flight from Vegas to SFO was easy and not bad its a short distance time wise about 1 and a half hours.
Then got on the plane from SFO to Haneda (Tokyo). Wow there was extra room, I had nobody sitting next to me, so I laid down to sleep / rest, grueling 10 hour flight I think it was. Then the layover in Tokyo of about 3-4 hours, again, not too bad of a wait, time to stretch the legs.
Then got on board to Bangkok and happened to get the seats right where economy starts, so had good leg room, wow, great luck, so then the 7 hour flight, a lot of Entourage catch up! Finally get to Bangkok at 5:30 am Bangkok time. Overall, I must have lucked out on the flights, I thought this was standard, I haven't been on a plane in years.
The way back to Vegas was the nightmare!
Each of the legs of the journey was packed to the gills with people, flights were full!
From Bangkok to Japan, I got stuck in the absolute middle of the plane, cramped, I had several beers on board (Japanese flights, drink all you want complimentary). 3 hour layover in Japan. Had more beers at the airport.
Then got on the plane from Japan to Los Angeles and the nightmare continued. United computers went down, so held over for 1 hour on the tarmac. I got the window seat its 3 seats to the row, so after having many beers, I had to go to the bathroom several times, bothering the big fat couples that were next to me to get up and move out to the isle so I could go to the bathroom. My fluids were finally out and then decided I would only go to the bathroom when they got up to go. This is the 9 hour flight. Then the guy next to me is playing the arm chair game, hogging up my side of the arm rest, so I had to put my arm down and on the inside for most of the journey cause this guy would not budge. The guy then starts sleeping and snoring, his mouth is wide open and had a severe case of halitosis, I mean bad and was pointed my direction, smelt worse then some of the sewers in Bangkok. I never went to sleep, I put on the air vent above to clear the air but was cold for a long portion of time. The meals were something else as far as trying to eat while this guy was elbowing me.
Finally landed in L. A. But the 1 hour late caused me to miss my connecting flight to Vegas. 11 am. They tried to re-book me at 7:45 pm with United, WTF? So then they tried to book me with American at no charge. I went to American and they wanted an extra $25 baggage fee, I told them NO, I;m not paying that, I already paid my ticket in full and included the baggage. I go back to United they explained the baggage fee. I ended up not going with American and waited for the 7:45 pm flight, 8 HR layover. Got on board to Vegas, again packed, make it to Vegas at 9 pm, I miss the last free shuttle to my area of town and ended up taking a taxi to my house at the cost of $55 USD including the tip. Maybe I should have paid the American Airlines baggage fee of $25 USD after all.
I'm lucky just a shot to the California west coast. I use to go through Japan using Northwest which is now Delta. The thing that bother me about Japan was the headache or long lines going through security. You practically have to be stripped naked to get through. Before and after wall to wall people. Then once you get on another as you mentioned 6-7 more hours.
Eva Air runs out of SFO / LAX, it is longer to Taipei like 14:00 hours but once you are on to me at less who cares. Once in Taipei, the layover is like 2/3 hours and going through security it is a breeze and once in the Eva terminal there is free Internet. Not wall to wall people. And when on to BKK, 3 hours.
Rules might have changed but when a airline is delayed not for natural causes (weather) they foot the bill like hotels and meals and should have footed the bill for the baggage. This is their problem, it has been a while since I work but the only time I remember access baggage becoming a problem and one should take note is when a customer using a Airline and the connection is made on a Code share or alliance as they call it. Your case does not seem to be the case. I was always instructed to not offer a thing unless the customer make a big issue of it. But I had a hearing problem and to process the customer I gave the store away before I left.
I have just finished reading the Bangkok reports thread but have only read a hanful of reports regarding just that. Instead I have read about fake boobs, the best malls in Bangkok, and the best food courts. I really like the general thread for it was designed just for that purpose, discussions about non mongering topics. For those who complain about the newbies posting questions instead of reading through the site, consider this. A newbie goes to the Bangkok reports thread to look for information on go go bars in Bangkok but has to read about fake boobs and the best shopping malls. Of course he will just post a question. Who wants to read through all the crap. The search function may yield one or two results but you still need to read through a bunch of crap to see the real posts with all their replies and comments. How to solve this problem?
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1682903]I have just finished reading the Bangkok reports thread but have only read a hanful of reports regarding just that. Instead I have read about fake boobs, the best malls in Bangkok, and the best food courts. I really like the general thread for it was designed just for that purpose, discussions about non mongering topics. For those who complain about the newbies posting questions instead of reading through the site, consider this. A newbie goes to the Bangkok reports thread to look for information on go go bars in Bangkok but has to read about fake boobs and the best shopping malls. Of course he will just post a question. Who wants to read through all the crap. The search function may yield one or two results but you still need to read through a bunch of crap to see the real posts with all their replies and comments. How to solve this problem?[/QUOTE]You are very right man! Being an occasional follower of this thread for more than four years, while the thread has always been an updated source of valuable information, off-topic posts / discussions with so many replies has always been there and it kinda makes it a lot harder / more time-consuming to find what you are really looking for. And the fact that these off-topic discussions are often started and are usually answered / continued by senior members made me think that this is kinda tradition in this thread to talk about anything which might happened in Bangkok not only the mongering stuff.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1682330]When I got on the plane going to Thailand, I knew it was going to be bad. I was wrong, sort of. The total time was 23 hours from Las Vegas to Bangkok including changing planes and layover. Economy seating.
The flight from Vegas to SFO was easy and not bad its a short distance time wise about 1 and a half hours.
Then got on the plane from SFO to Haneda (Tokyo). Wow there was extra room, I had nobody sitting next to me, so I laid down to sleep / rest, grueling 10 hour flight I think it was. Then the layover in Tokyo of about 3-4 hours, again, not too bad of a wait, time to stretch the legs.
Then got on board to Bangkok and happened to get the seats right where economy starts, so had good leg room, wow, great luck, so then the 7 hour flight, a lot of Entourage catch up! Finally get to Bangkok at 5:30 am Bangkok time. Overall, I must have lucked out on the flights, I thought this was standard, I haven't been on a plane in years.
The way back to Vegas was the nightmare!.[/QUOTE]Maybe next time you can try this strategy. Just aim his air nozzle directly into his mouth. He will eventually wake up and probably close his mouth.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1682330]When I got on the plane going to Thailand, I knew it was going to be bad. I was wrong, sort of. The total time was 23 hours from Las Vegas to Bangkok including changing planes and layover. Economy seating.
The flight from Vegas to SFO was easy and not bad its a short distance time wise about 1 and a half hours.
Then got on the plane from SFO to Haneda (Tokyo). Wow there was extra room, I had nobody sitting next to me, so I laid down to sleep / rest, grueling 10 hour flight I think it was. Then the layover in Tokyo of about 3-4 hours, again, not too bad of a wait, time to stretch the legs.
Then got on board to Bangkok and happened to get the seats right where economy starts, so had good leg room, wow, great luck, so then the 7 hour flight, a lot of Entourage catch up! Finally get to Bangkok at 5:30 am Bangkok time. Overall, I must have lucked out on the flights, I thought this was standard, I haven't been on a plane in years.
The way back to Vegas was the nightmare!
Each of the legs of the journey was packed to the gills with people, flights were full!
From Bangkok to Japan, I got stuck in the absolute middle of the plane, cramped, I had several beers on board (Japanese flights, drink all you want complimentary). 3 hour layover in Japan. Had more beers at the airport.
Then got on the plane from Japan to Los Angeles and the nightmare continued. United computers went down, so held over for 1 hour on the tarmac. I got the window seat its 3 seats to the row, so after having many beers, I had to go to the bathroom several times, bothering the big fat couples that were next to me to get up and move out to the isle so I could go to the bathroom. My fluids were finally out and then decided I would only go to the bathroom when they got up to go. This is the 9 hour flight. Then the guy next to me is playing the arm chair game, hogging up my side of the arm rest, so I had to put my arm down and on the inside for most of the journey cause this guy would not budge. The guy then starts sleeping and snoring, his mouth is wide open and had a severe case of halitosis, I mean bad and was pointed my direction, smelt worse then some of the sewers in Bangkok. I never went to sleep, I put on the air vent above to clear the air but was cold for a long portion of time. The meals were something else as far as trying to eat while this guy was elbowing me.
Finally landed in L. A. But the 1 hour late caused me to miss my connecting flight to Vegas. 11 am. They tried to re-book me at 7:45 pm with United, WTF? So then they tried to book me with American at no charge. I went to American and they wanted an extra $25 baggage fee, I told them NO, I;m not paying that, I already paid my ticket in full and included the baggage. I go back to United they explained the baggage fee. I ended up not going with American and waited for the 7:45 pm flight, 8 HR layover. Got on board to Vegas, again packed, make it to Vegas at 9 pm, I miss the last free shuttle to my area of town and ended up taking a taxi to my house at the cost of $55 USD including the tip. Maybe I should have paid the American Airlines baggage fee of $25 USD after all.[/QUOTE]I feel your pain! When I used to go to Hawaii frequently it was the exact same thing. Moderately full flights outbound, but packed to the fucking rafters coming back. WTF? Don't they have the same number of flights in both directions?
You've succinctly described why I will no longer fly any domestic airline, except Southwest. Between the American Airlines prison matrons, err, flight attendants, the insane baggage fees, and sardine-like seating, flying has simply become a misery. Oh, and, like you, don't get me started on being wedged next to some lard-ass who should have been charged for two seats. Flying for 14 hours with a horde of Chinese has its drawbacks, but at least they tend to fit into the seats.
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy Thailand?
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1682978]I feel your pain! When I used to go to Hawaii frequently it was the exact same thing. Moderately full flights outbound, but packed to the fucking rafters coming back. WTF? Don't they have the same number of flights in both directions?
You've succinctly described why I will no longer fly any domestic airline, except Southwest. Between the American Airlines prison matrons, err, flight attendants, the insane baggage fees, and sardine-like seating, flying has simply become a misery. Oh, and, like you, don't get me started on being wedged next to some lard-ass who should have been charged for two seats. Flying for 14 hours with a horde of Chinese has its drawbacks, but at least they tend to fit into the seats.
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy Thailand?[/QUOTE]I spared you the real Gettysburg Address, but that's neither here nor there. I was not accustomed to so many women throwing themselves at me and getting catcalls from them instead of me to them. I was taken aback at the amount of women available, literally!
I do the mongering in Las Vegas but this was quite something else, as a famous Russian once said. "wadd'a country"!
I believe it's just way too hot, which makes it miserable. Bangkok is huge. Pattaya seems more my style. I don't know if I will come back, the weather sucks and that's the drawback for me. Maybe in my blue hair days should I live so long would I come back for a long extended stay.
But I have to admit, I'm in Las Vegas and kind of miss the women of Thailand and the good times I had there, a good reflection mixed with the heat.
One town's very like another.
When your head's down over your pieces, brother.
It's a drag, it's a bore, it's really such a pity.
To be looking at the board, not looking at the city.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1682330]
SNIP
Then got on board to Bangkok and happened to get the seats right where economy starts, so had good leg room, wow, great luck, so then the 7 hour flight, a lot of Entourage catch up! Finally get to Bangkok at 5:30 am Bangkok time. Overall, I must have lucked out on the flights, I thought this was standard, I haven't been on a plane in years.
SNIP
From Bangkok to Japan, I got stuck in the absolute middle of the plane, cramped, I had several beers on board (Japanese flights, drink all you want complimentary). 3 hour layover in Japan. Had more beers at the airport.
Then got on the plane from Japan to Los Angeles and the nightmare continued. United computers went down, so held over for 1 hour on the tarmac. I got the window seat its 3 seats to the row, so after having many beers, I had to go to the bathroom several times, bothering the big fat couples that were next to me to get up and move out to the isle so I could go to the bathroom.
SNIP
[/QUOTE]Didn't you select your seats on line before flying? Maybe you're not aware of web check-in including the possiblilty to select your seat since you haven't been on a plane in years.
And drinking a lot of alcohol is never a good idea on planes. The air in planes is very dry and drinking alcohol dehydrates you even more. But the choice is yours of course.
Has anyone had any experience or recommendations on fishing tours / guides for barramundi near Bangkok? I found several sites advertising tours, even Angel Massage on Soi 26.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1683035]I believe it's just way too hot, which makes it miserable. Bangkok is huge. Pattaya seems more my style. I don't know if I will come back, the weather sucks and that's the drawback for me. Maybe in my blue hair days should I live so long would I come back for a long extended stay.
[/QUOTE]Yes, and you went during the "cool" season. :)
You'll find a god in every golden cloister /
And if you're lucky then the god's a she /
I can feel an angel sliding up to meeeeeeeee.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1683366]Yes, and you went during the "cool" season. :)
You'll find a god in every golden cloister /
And if you're lucky then the god's a she /
I can feel an angel sliding up to meeeeeeeee.[/QUOTE]But thank God, I'm only watching the game, controlling it.
I don't see you guys rating.
The kind of mate I'm contemplating.
I'd let you watch, I would invite you.
But the queens we use would not excite you.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1682330]So then they tried to book me with American at no charge. I went to American and they wanted an extra $25 baggage fee, I told them NO, I;m not paying that, I already paid my ticket in full and included the baggage. I go back to United they explained the baggage fee. I ended up not going with American and waited for the 7:45 pm flight, 8 HR layover. Got on board to Vegas, again packed, make it to Vegas at 9 pm, I miss the last free shuttle to my area of town and ended up taking a taxi to my house at the cost of $55 USD including the tip. Maybe I should have paid the American Airlines baggage fee of $25 USD after all.[/QUOTE]American pissed me off recently with their baggage fees. I traveled on a free frequent flyer ticket, and when I went to check in for my flight, they charged me $25 to check one bag "because I hadn't paid full fare for the ticket". Wait a fucking minute! They were the ones who "awarded" me with a "free" ticket, then they turn around and charge me to check a bag because I didn't pay the full fare for the ticket? What kind of bullshit is that? To me "free" means "free", and the fucking trip wasn't free because I had to pay $50 round trip for my one piece of luggage plus an $11.20 "processing" fee. So, it wasn't a free round trip ticket after all! Nickel and dime them to death! I traveled on a United frequent flyer ticket last summer and didn't have to pay to check a bag. Just one more reason why I generally despise American Airlines and normally will avoid them when I can. Too many shitty old planes (they are modernizing their fleet I'll give them that) and shitty customer service! American Airlines. The only way not to fly!
[QUOTE=TheCane;1683374]American pissed me off recently with their baggage fees. I traveled on a free frequent flyer ticket, and when I went to check in for my flight, they charged me $25 to check one bag "because I hadn't paid full fare for the ticket". Wait a fucking minute! They were the ones who "awarded" me with a "free" ticket, then they turn around and charge me to check a bag because I didn't pay the full fare for the ticket? What kind of bullshit is that? To me "free" means "free", and the fucking trip wasn't free because I had to pay $50 round trip for my one piece of luggage plus an $11.20 "processing" fee. So, it wasn't a free round trip ticket after all! Nickel and dime them to death! I traveled on a United frequent flyer ticket last summer and didn't have to pay to check a bag. Just one more reason why I generally despise American Airlines and normally will avoid them when I can. Too many shitty old planes (they are modernizing their fleet I'll give them that) and shitty customer service! American Airlines. The only way not to fly![/QUOTE]To Cane.
This is a Redemption ticket for your Mileage it is not totally free you still have to pay the fuel tax and other tax, I fly with AA about 50,000 mile a year I transfer all my Mileage to Cathay pacific they don't charge me for baggage most airline is cutting mile benefit and service not just AA.
Fast eddie 48.
[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1683845]To Cane.
This is a Redemption ticket for your Mileage it is not totally free you still have to pay the fuel tax and other tax, I fly with AA about 50,000 mile a year I transfer all my Mileage to Cathay pacific they don't charge me for baggage most airline is cutting mile benefit and service not just AA.
Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]They charged me exactly $61.20. There was an $11.20 fee which I didn't mind actually. It was the $50 baggage charge that annoyed me, and the reason they gave for why I had to pay that. I recently obtained the Citi AAdvantage Platinum MasterCard. Now I won't have to pay for a checked bag again on American and will get other benefits as a result of having that credit card. Like I said, I don't like them, but sometimes they offer the best flights and connections, especially to Latin America.
What do you guys that took up residence (live) in Thailand do?
I realize that its the cooler months now, but what do you guys do in the summertime? Do you go back to your country (US or wherever)?
You just hack out the weather?
I realize also that a lot of you are retired, semi-wealthy or moved there years ago. But besides teaching what do you do for a living (income) in Thailand?
And do you guys take girlfriends for extended periods of time and just hook up with her, I mean the temptations are at every corner and every time you look to your left or right!
How do you maintain it?
How was the red tape getting to stay in Thailand?
One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble.
Not much between despair and ecstasy.
[QUOTE=TheCane;1683853]They charged me exactly $61.20. There was an $11.20 fee which I didn't mind actually. It was the $50 baggage charge that annoyed me, and the reason they gave for why I had to pay that. I recently obtained the Citi AAdvantage Platinum MasterCard. Now I won't have to pay for a checked bag again on American and will get other benefits as a result of having that credit card. Like I said, I don't like them, but sometimes they offer the best flights and connections, especially to Latin America.[/QUOTE]To The Cane.
Well other US airline is charging for baggage now not just AA I always carry on one garment bag for most of my US travel even to Brazil and ARG I travel light, just book with Cathay Pacific SFO to HK and BKK for 90,000 asia mile tax is about 300 usd I need to pay need to use it before it expired and I still have 200,000 miles avalible after that.
Fast eddie 48.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1684222]What do you guys that took up residence (live) in Thailand do?
I realize that its the cooler months now, but what do you guys do in the summertime? Do you go back to your country (US or wherever)?
You just hack out the weather?
I realize also that a lot of you are retired, semi-wealthy or moved there years ago. But besides teaching what do you do for a living (income) in Thailand?
And do you guys take girlfriends for extended periods of time and just hook up with her, I mean the temptations are at every corner and every time you look to your left or right!
How do you maintain it?
How was the red tape getting to stay in Thailand?
One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble.
Not much between despair and ecstasy.[/QUOTE]Well, people tends to fall into categories, you probably have seen a few already. Not everyone of course has the same sexual drive. There are also very monogamous men, bigots, priests, etc. The tens of thousand of British folks living cheap in Pattaya are different from an elitist living on a small Island. Some people makes a point of not having a fixed Thai wife. Some has all the free time to become rich working or trading online, others just slowly drink their life away, others fights the odds running a business that they can't even legally own, as well foreigner can't own land, only pre-determined condo units. There is a lot of people that has cut bridges with home country and would not have a place to return to. When older than 50 staying continuously is easy, only need Bt 80,000 in a Thai bank, or a monthly income of 65,000, or a combination of the two. The language is so difficult that few learn it satisfactorily. Millions of strange personal stories, at the end I think living in Thailand can be a blessing but is not an absolute value, life is what you can make out of it, wherever you are.
[QUOTE=Old New Guy;1684542][...] When older than 50 staying continuously is easy, only need Bt 80,000 in a Thai bank, or a monthly income of 65,000, or a combination of the two. [...][/QUOTE]
That's a minimum of THB 800,000 (not 80,000) in a Thai Bank, or a monthly income of (at least) 65,000 for retirees (must be older than 50), or a combination of the two.
If you are married to a Thai national, it's only THB 400,000 in bank, or a monthly income of (at least) 40,0000 for most people, or a combination of the two. There is no minimim age (apart for being legally married first, of course) for this second type of visa.
A few other options are available (one may check ThaiVisa.com website and forums, for instance, for more details), but the two mentioned above are probably the most common for long-term foreign residents.
I am only 47 years old, I was 32 when I first came in Thailand as a tourist, and some time later married a local (at 35) because I wanted to live here and didn't need to work (I own apartments in my country of origin and can live here comfortably enough on their rental, I also had pretty good savings before settling here and still have a non-negligible part of them and some securities for 'raining days').
I have many hobbies (besides patronizing the local brothels and other P4P-related activities) and I also help several friends (I used to work in the IT sector, thus, I am often needed for computer-related projects and/or issues). And of course, as a married man, I spend much more time than I want with the wife and/or the in-laws (although, I must admit that it may be fun sometimes).
It was not difficult too much to acclimate myself to the weather. Now, I very seldom use A/C at home. I've always enjoyed the spicy Thai food and can eat like a local.
However, I regularly come back about one month yearly to France (my country of origin) usually during winter because one of my favorite sports is skiing and I cannot practice it in Thailand!
[QUOTE=Goyave;1684750]That's a minimum of THB 800,000 (not 80,000) in a Thai Bank, or a monthly income of (at least) 65,000 for retirees (must be older than 50), or a combination of the two.
If you are married to a Thai national, it's only THB 400,000 in bank, or a monthly income of (at least) 40,0000 for most people, or a combination of the two. There is no minimim age (apart for being legally married first, of course) for this second type of visa.
[/QUOTE]Yes, 800,000. But in case of marriage, funds and income cannot be combined.
[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1684802]Yes, 800,000. But in case of marriage, funds and income cannot be combined.[/QUOTE]In the past, it was possible to combine income and funds, even for a non-immigrant "O" visa based on marriage (I know at least one consulate in Switzerland where it was possible), but I haven't checked this option recently, so, you are probably right and I stand corrected.
But one must realize that the whole process depends greatly on where you are applying for your visa (or extension of stay thereafter). For instance, it was still possible the last time I have checked (September 2014) to get a one-year non-immigrant "O" visa based on marriage at the Thai Royal Consulate in Savannakhet (Laos) without providing proofs of sufficient ressource. Not sure that it will last long and it's of course better not to count too much on this, but it demonstrates that rules are not always applied uniformly on these matters.
Living in Thailand.
Thanks Goyave and Old New Guy (ONG) for some info. Goyave, are you in BKK? What city.
Do you feel uneasy about putting your money in a Thai Bank, is it held in Thai notes or can it be held in US dollars? 800,000 at 32.5 baht to the dollar is $24,615 USD. An the income part of $2,000 USD is okay, but do you have to have that rolling into a Thai Bank or can you just show the income from a US bank. But I am under 50 so that wouldn't apply.
So under 50, what applies if you don't get married?
Also, a concern, is the health care, what do you do there? Are there health plans or health insurance? Find a random doctor, costs?
I know some of this is researchable and have searched it, but real life experience is much better.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1684952]Living in Thailand.
Thanks Goyave and Old New Guy (ONG) for some info. Goyave, are you in BKK? What city.
Do you feel uneasy about putting your money in a Thai Bank, is it held in Thai notes or can it be held in US dollars? 800,000 at 32.5 baht to the dollar is $24,615 USD. An the income part of $2,000 USD is okay, but do you have to have that rolling into a Thai Bank or can you just show the income from a US bank. But I am under 50 so that wouldn't apply.
So under 50, what applies if you don't get married?
Also, a concern, is the health care, what do you do there? Are there health plans or health insurance? Find a random doctor, costs?
I know some of this is researchable and have searched it, but real life experience is much better.[/QUOTE]I think we could answer to all this, but best would be for your to participate the website that Goyave has linked. There are continuous discussions (based on real life) to all these questions and more. While on this forum we can concentrate on on the matter of pussy with all the juicy details, or discuss politics in open terms, things that are frowned upon there.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1684952]Living in Thailand.
Thanks Goyave and Old New Guy (ONG) for some info. Goyave, are you in BKK? What city.
Do you feel uneasy about putting your money in a Thai Bank, is it held in Thai notes or can it be held in US dollars? 800,000 at 32.5 baht to the dollar is $24,615 USD. An the income part of $2,000 USD is okay, but do you have to have that rolling into a Thai Bank or can you just show the income from a US bank. But I am under 50 so that wouldn't apply.
So under 50, what applies if you don't get married?
Also, a concern, is the health care, what do you do there? Are there health plans or health insurance? Find a random doctor, costs?
I know some of this is researchable and have searched it, but real life experience is much better.[/QUOTE]While it may seem a bit strange, I understand that if you had your money in a Thai account before the crash of 2008, you would have lost nothing. I don't know any Americans who can say the same thing. Thailand has its share of problems, but they don't have Bush / Obama / The Federal Reserve doing their best to trash the dollar.
Now the problem lately is whether or not you, as a US Citizen, can get a bank account. I will try to do this, again, in April. I got busy last trip and just didn't get it done. The issue now, however, is FATCA. Stories abound about banks refusing accounts if held by a US national, based upon odious and insane reporting and withholding requirements. AFAIK, some Thai banks will still allow US holders. I'll report more later.
Under 50, not married, can be a problem. You may need to set up a company, or similar. As a US citizen, it's easier than most to set up a company under the Treaty of Amity.
The overall quality of health care is very good. Yes, there are good health insurance policies and they are extremely cheap by US standards. In any case, the health care in Thailand, at a good private hospital, is a fraction of what it costs in the USA. A good rule of thumb is 30% to 50% of what it costs in the US, depending on what's being done. Sometimes as much as 90% cheaper. The level of care in a private hospital is very good. In fact, a few years ago when I toured BNH doing research, I asked about semi-private rooms and the lady looked at me like I just beamed in from Mars. All rooms were private, just some were bigger than others. My only real complaint is that Thai doctors tend to overmedicate the hell out of you, and antibiotics are prescribed far too often.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1684991]While it may seem a bit strange, I understand that if you had your money in a Thai account before the crash of 2008, you would have lost nothing. I don't know any Americans who can say the same thing. Thailand has its share of problems, but they don't have Bush / Obama / The Federal Reserve doing their best to trash the dollar.[/QUOTE]I had money in US banks in 2008 and I haven't lost anything. I understand your dislike for US politics, but the US dollar is today stronger than ever. A good 30% stronger than in 2008. And the US economy is doing quite good too. I say that as these are true facts, not because I feel compelled to defend anything that is American. And Thailand had its fair share of incompetent/corrupt/dictatorial gov.ts, poor enough to negatively compete with anyone.
The rest of your posting I agree with.
[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1684984]I think we could answer to all this, but best would be for your to participate the website that Goyave has linked. There are continuous discussions (based on real life) to all these questions and more. While on this forum we can concentrate on on the matter of pussy with all the juicy details, or discuss politics in open terms, things that are frowned upon there.[/QUOTE]You're right, I guess I've been shown the door! Pussy Politics. PP.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1684952]Living in Thailand.
[...] Goyave, are you in BKK? What city. [...][/QUOTE]
No, I don't live in Bangkok, but in Udon Thani province. While Bangkok, Pattaya or other touristy destination may be attractive for most foreigners, I don't like them too much anymore. The locals are (IMHO) much less genuinely friendly there, there is much more scams and criminality, you are mostly considered as a walking-ATM (that's also often the case elsewhere in Thailand, but to a lesser extent), etc. But to really enjoy other (non-touristy) places, one must understand and speak at least some basic Thai.
And I second Old New Guy's opinion for your other questions and I suggest that you join the forums of ThaiVisa.com for more inputs on those issues.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1685001]You're right, I guess I've been shown the door! Pussy Politics. PP.[/QUOTE]Look, that was only my suggestion, if you feel like discussing the logistics of moving or living in Thailand here, please go ahead.
Has anyone had a recent positive experience at Queens Park Plaza, Sukhumvit 22? Kind of an anachronistic place in Bangkok, vestigial remains from when British were the preeminent ex-pat presence in town.
[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1685218]Look, that was only my suggestion, if you feel like discussing the logistics of moving or living in Thailand here, please go ahead.[/QUOTE]Where else on ISG to discuss that topic?
[QUOTE=BionicMan;1685330]Where else on ISG to discuss that topic?[/QUOTE]I said, go ahead without any sarcasm. Awaiting to read your suggestions to TTT.
[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1685335]I said, go ahead without any sarcasm. Awaiting to read your suggestions to TTT.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BionicMan;1685330]Where else on ISG to discuss that topic?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1685218]Look, that was only my suggestion, if you feel like discussing the logistics of moving or living in Thailand here, please go ahead.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1685001]You're right, I guess I've been shown the door! Pussy Politics. PP.[/QUOTE]I'm as guilty as anyone of getting off topic and hijacking threads. But, IMHO, this is the General thread and isn't a bad place for non-skirt-chasing topics.
I stayed at Suk-Soi 22.
[QUOTE=Golfinho;1685284]Has anyone had a recent positive experience at Queens Park Plaza, Sukhumvit 22? Kind of an anachronistic place in Bangkok, vestigial remains from when British were the preeminent ex-pat presence in town.[/QUOTE]I stayed at Admiral Suites near Queens Hotel on Soi 22.
I like this area, has many bars on the west side of the street as you're heading to Sukhumvit Rd (the main drag). On the east side of the street, many foot and body massage places. Seems a little catered to the Japanese.
It is also close to Soi 33 which is really catered to the Japanese and basically Japanese area with many massage places and the testicle massage place called Honey.
So I partied on Suk-Soi 22, got drunk at the bars at the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi 22 (across from the Holiday Inn).
Same Same at these bars as most bars, girls wanting you to come in and have a drink, lady drinks, and take out. Beers are cheaper, but my experience is the scene was just on the west side of the Soi. I didn't venture out much more than Soi 31 and Soi 33 in the area, but those are dead Sois in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1685393]I'm as guilty as anyone of getting off topic and hijacking threads. But, IMHO, this is the General thread and isn't a bad place for non-skirt-chasing topics.[/QUOTE]This is the 'General Reports' thread which gives the impression that people will be reporting something of importance, not a place for off topic rants. We had the same issue in the German FKK section under the same 'general reports' topic, that was easily fixed by adding a 'lounge and chat area' which really helped clean up the off topic subjects from getting in the way of actual reports. Then instead of telling them to quit posting on the subject you just suggest they take it the lounge area.
I started a new thread titled "Thailand Lounge and Chat Area", its at the bottom section of the page, just direct any off topic comments to that area.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1684991]While it may seem a bit strange, I understand that if you had your money in a Thai account before the crash of 2008, you would have lost nothing. I don't know any Americans who can say the same thing. Thailand has its share of problems, but they don't have Bush / Obama / The Federal Reserve doing their best to trash the dollar.
[/QUOTE]I'm sorry but saying something patently false and ludicrous doesn't make it true. This kind of uninformed nonsense is offensive. And by the way, these days the USA Dollar is beating the s**t out of most other currencies.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1685407]I stayed at Suk-Soi 22.
I stayed at Admiral Suites near Queens Hotel on Soi 22.
I like this area, has many bars on the west side of the street as you're heading to Sukhumvit Rd (the main drag). On the east side of the street, many foot and body massage places. Seems a little catered to the Japanese.
It is also close to Soi 33 which is really catered to the Japanese and basically Japanese area with many massage places and the testicle massage place called Honey.
So I partied on Suk-Soi 22, got drunk at the bars at the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi 22 (across from the Holiday Inn).
Same Same at these bars as most bars, girls wanting you to come in and have a drink, lady drinks, and take out. Beers are cheaper, but my experience is the scene was just on the west side of the Soi. I didn't venture out much more than Soi 31 and Soi 33 in the area, but those are dead Sois in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Agree. Queens park plaza is alive and well. I posted in Bangkok reports.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1685407]It is also close to Soi 33 which is really catered to the Japanese and basically Japanese area with many massage places and the testicle massage place called Honey. So I partied on Suk-Soi 22, got drunk at the bars at the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi 22 (across from the Holiday Inn). I didn't venture out much more than Soi 31 and Soi 33 in the area, but those are dead Sois in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Queens Park close to a lot of things, (Soi 31 and 33 a completely different topic). Anyhow, with pool bars it is Pattaya-like format. Barfines of 600 with short time no rush, 2000 baht. Some bars (the one near Meow Meow) staffed with 19-22 year-old cohort exclusively, but still must sort out for non-child. Some new girls amidst the pros. Longtime options also available. And beer at only 100 baht is nice.
[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1685439]I'm sorry but saying something patently false and ludicrous doesn't make it true. This kind of uninformed nonsense is offensive. And by the way, these days the USA Dollar is beating the s**t out of most other currencies.[/QUOTE]Let's see. The stock market took like a $7 Billion hit in 2008. I don't think Thailand did, maybe you know differently. I work with many companies who took a hell of a beating during the recession. Thailand had a recessions, but not nearly to the degree of the US, and has recovered quite nicely.
The US now had $18 Trillion of debt. The country's GDP is around $17 Trillion. The US had record tax revenues this year, but still couldn't quite make ends meet, to the tune of around $480 Billion. That's OK, the Fed just prints more money. This is a recipe for disaster.
Yes, the dollar is strong, lately, due in no small part to the ham-handed ways the Europeans and Japanese have been handling their currencies. But, based on the above, how long can it last? From Bush through Obama the debt-to-GDP ratio has gone from around 56% to about 103%. How anybody can look at these facts and not think these are deliberate actions is beyond me. Anyway, those are the thoughts behind my comments. You don't have to agree, but I don't think they are completely uninformed.
Mod, feel free to move this to the appropriate thread.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1684991]While it may seem a bit strange, I understand that if you had your money in a Thai account before the crash of 2008, you would have lost nothing. I don't know any Americans who can say the same thing. Thailand has its share of problems, but they don't have Bush / Obama / The Federal Reserve doing their best to trash the dollar.
Now the problem lately is whether or not you, as a US Citizen, can get a bank account. I will try to do this, again, in April. I got busy last trip and just didn't get it done. The issue now, however, is FATCA. Stories abound about banks refusing accounts if held by a US national, based upon odious and insane reporting and withholding requirements. AFAIK, some Thai banks will still allow US holders. I'll report more later.
All rooms were private, just some were bigger than others. My only real complaint is that Thai doctors tend to overmedicate the hell out of you, and antibiotics are prescribed far too often.[/QUOTE]There is only one solution to such nonsense, turn off Faux News now.
[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1686095]There is only one solution to such nonsense, turn off Faux News now.[/QUOTE]Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, FATCA is still a major issue for US expats all over the world. When Uncle Sam comes knocking, demanding a cut of your earnings, even though they are not earned in the US, nor spent in the US, you have a problem. Some banks have decided they don't want to be the enforcement arm for the US Treasury Dept. I don't blame them.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1685938]You will go to the Taxi queue on the 2nd (floor. You will tell the lady at the desk (the dispatcher) where you're going, she'll write it down and give it to the driver. She'll give you a copy. Keep it, as it has the driver's number, etc. , on it, should you have any problems. She may remind you that you have to pay for the expressway tolls. If she doesn't, the driver will. You can't go to the next taxi, etc. , as the dispatcher assigns your taxi to you.
[/QUOTE]I always go upstairs to arrivals and pick a taxi there. There are lots. No waiting in the queue and no 50 Baht surcharge. They are always so relieved to get a customer, have not experienced anyone trying to rip me off. I avoid any guy chasing me eagerly. I pick one waiting patiently at his taxi.
I switched from the Bangkok Thread since its not a mongering topic.
The world's most unfaithful country.
According Statista Thailand occupies a first place in the most unfaithful nation in the world. A whopping 56% of respondents Thais have admitted that they have had an affair or two during their marriage.
See the full list here:
1. Thailand (56%.
2. Denmark (46%.
3. Germany (45%.
4. Italy (45%.
5. France (43%.
6. Belgium (40%.
7. Norway (40%.
8. Spain (39%.
9. Finland (36%.
10. United Kingdom (36%.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1685935]Let's see. The stock market took like a $7 Billion hit in 2008. I don't think Thailand did, maybe you know differently. I work with many companies who took a hell of a beating during the recession. Thailand had a recessions, but not nearly to the degree of the US, and has recovered quite nicely.
The US now had $18 Trillion of debt. The country's GDP is around $17 Trillion. The US had record tax revenues this year, but still couldn't quite make ends meet, to the tune of around $480 Billion. That's OK, the Fed just prints more money. This is a recipe for disaster.
Yes, the dollar is strong, lately, due in no small part to the ham-handed ways the Europeans and Japanese have been handling their currencies. But, based on the above, how long can it last? From Bush through Obama the debt-to-GDP ratio has gone from around 56% to about 103%. How anybody can look at these facts and not think these are deliberate actions is beyond me. Anyway, those are the thoughts behind my comments. You don't have to agree, but I don't think they are completely uninformed.
Mod, feel free to move this to the appropriate thread.[/QUOTE]Within about two months of the 2008 global financial crisis, the Thai SETI lost about 45 percent of its value so if you were saying Thais who had their money in Thai stocks lost nothing, that is incorrect. On the other hand, when you earlier referred to having money in an account, it seemed you were referring to a bank account not a stock market brokerage account, unless I missed something in this regard.
Contrary to your earlier suggestion, those of us who had money in normal US Bank accounts lost nothing even if the bank went bankrupt. This was owing to FDIC insurance (with the exception of those few--if any-- individuals dumb enough to exceed the deposit maximum of $250,000 per bank account rather than deposit monies in excess of $250,000 in a different account.
[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1686458]
Contrary to your earlier suggestion, those of us who had money in normal US Bank accounts lost nothing even if the bank went bankrupt. This was owing to FDIC insurance (with the exception of those few--if any-- individuals dumb enough to exceed the deposit maximum of $250,000 per bank account rather than deposit monies in excess of $250,000 in a different account.[/QUOTE]Actually I don't recall any retail bank bankrupted on that occasion. Also I don't recall any FDIC intervention at all.
[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1686899]Actually I don't recall any retail bank bankrupted on that occasion. Also I don't recall any FDIC intervention at all.[/QUOTE]I think you are probably right. I probably was thinking about the much earlier savings and loan crisis, where I believe there was some FDIC intervention.
[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1686971]I think you are probably right. I probably was thinking about the much earlier savings and loan crisis, where I believe there was some FDIC intervention.[/QUOTE]Yes Thai banks did go bankrupt and depositors lost money. Siam (something) was one of them taken over by a US bank but depositors went under. No depositors in USA banks lost money thanks to FDIC.
[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1686458]Within about two months of the 2008 global financial crisis, the Thai SETI lost about 45 percent of its value so if you were saying Thais who had their money in Thai stocks lost nothing, that is incorrect. On the other hand, when you earlier referred to having money in an account, it seemed you were referring to a bank account not a stock market brokerage account, unless I missed something in this regard.
Contrary to your earlier suggestion, those of us who had money in normal US Bank accounts lost nothing even if the bank went bankrupt. This was owing to FDIC insurance (with the exception of those few--if any-- individuals dumb enough to exceed the deposit maximum of $250,000 per bank account rather than deposit monies in excess of $250,000 in a different account.[/QUOTE]You're correct. My statement was poorly written. Nobody lost any physical dollars, and I didn't suggest that any banks failed. As an aside, loads of businesses went bankrupt and loads more lost their houses in this government-manufactured and exacerbated recession. While this wasn't a bank account, strictly speaking, many millions were lost. I don't recall reading of lots of homeless Thais flooding the rental markets during this time, nor seeing pictures of vacant, heavily foreclosed neighborhoods throughout Thailand.
But, the point was money in a US account vs. Thailand. Before TARP, the bailout, etc. , the Baht was, what, around 40:1? Damn near overnight it went to around 25. The dollar tanked all over the place, not just Thailand. One may not have lost any physical dollars from their FDIC-insured accounts, but they were worth a fraction of what they were a day before. Contrast this with the Baht that remained strong for the next two years, or so. The dollar eventually began to gain ground and is now a bit over 30, but that's still 75% of what it was before the start of this debacle. Had somebody had their money in a Thai account they would have "lost" nothing during this time.
That was what I, so inelegantly tried to say.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1687176]You're correct. My statement was poorly written. Nobody lost any physical dollars, and I didn't suggest that any banks failed. As an aside, loads of businesses went bankrupt and loads more lost their houses in this government-manufactured and exacerbated recession. While this wasn't a bank account, strictly speaking, many millions were lost. I don't recall reading of lots of homeless Thais flooding the rental markets during this time, nor seeing pictures of vacant, heavily foreclosed neighborhoods throughout Thailand.
But, the point was money in a US account vs. Thailand. Before TARP, the bailout, etc. , the Baht was, what, around 40:1? Damn near overnight it went to around 25. The dollar tanked all over the place, not just Thailand. One may not have lost any physical dollars from their FDIC-insured accounts, but they were worth a fraction of what they were a day before. Contrast this with the Baht that remained strong for the next two years, or so. The dollar eventually began to gain ground and is now a bit over 30, but that's still 75% of what it was before the start of this debacle. Had somebody had their money in a Thai account they would have "lost" nothing during this time.
That was what I, so inelegantly tried to say.[/QUOTE]Actually, the last time the dollar to baht conversion rate was over 40 to 1 was around January 2006, about three years before TARP. The most significant recent drop in the value of the dollar relative to the baht took place from January 2006 to around August 2007, with the conversion rate dropping from around 40 to 1 to 30 to 1. In 2008, the year of TARP, the dollar strengthened against the baht, starting the year at just under 30 to 1, and ending it at just under 35 to 1. In 2009 the dollar weakened a bit relative to the Thai baht but nothing dramatic, ending the year at a tad over 33 to 1.
In short, there is nothing to suggest the conversion rate went from around 40 to 1 to around 25 to 1 almost overnight, and very little, if anything, to tie any significant changes in the conversion rate to TARP or the bailout, etc.
[URL]www.oanda.com[/URL] is a good source for tracking currency rates and historical data for those interested in such things.
I know this question is more suitable for a mainstream forum but since we have quite a few folks here that are employed in BKK, I was wondering what kind of jobs are available for expats? Please be specific about job title and description rather than a vague explanation which makes it difficult to figure out exactly what kinda job opportunities exist in Thailand, if any.
I won't mind hearing about business opportunities either.
Thank you.
[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1687272]Actually, the last time the dollar to baht conversion rate was over 40 to 1 was around January 2006, about three years before TARP. The most significant recent drop in the value of the dollar relative to the baht took place from January 2006 to around August 2007, with the conversion rate dropping from around 40 to 1 to 30 to 1. In 2008, the year of TARP, the dollar strengthened against the baht, starting the year at just under 30 to 1, and ending it at just under 35 to 1. In 2009 the dollar weakened a bit relative to the Thai baht but nothing dramatic, ending the year at a tad over 33 to 1.
In short, there is nothing to suggest the conversion rate went from around 40 to 1 to around 25 to 1 almost overnight, and very little, if anything, to tie any significant changes in the conversion rate to TARP or the bailout, etc.
[URL]www.oanda.com[/URL] is a good source for tracking currency rates and historical data for those interested in such things.[/QUOTE]To LA Guy.
I been going to Bangkok since 1995 first time back then 1 USD is about 28 bht, the highest is back in the early 1998 it was over 53 bht to a dollar because of the Asia crisis every and I buy some gold chain in Chinatown gold back then is very cheap under 300 usd for an oz wish I bought more back then, you can get girl at Thermae café back then for 800 bht ST and 1200 bht all night.
Fast eddie 48.
[QUOTE=Omigawd;1687313]I know this question is more suitable for a mainstream forum but since we have quite a few folks here that are employed in BKK, I was wondering what kind of jobs are available for expats? Please be specific about job title and description rather than a vague explanation which makes it difficult to figure out exactly what kinda job opportunities exist in Thailand, if any.
I won't mind hearing about business opportunities either.
Thank you.[/QUOTE]I have been working in SE Asia for 18 years full-time now.
If you paid for a membership I assume some other expats along with me might PM you with some assistance, but I am not putting it on the open board.
[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1687558]To LA Guy.
I been going to Bangkok since 1995 first time back then 1 USD is about 28 bht, the highest is back in the early 1998 it was over 53 bht to a dollar because of the Asia crisis every and I buy some gold chain in Chinatown gold back then is very cheap under 300 usd for an oz wish I bought more back then, you can get girl at Thermae caf back then for 800 bht ST and 1200 bht all night.
Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]I am surprised by what you say for 1995. Are you sure you got the year right?
Prices must have gone up dramatically. My 2nd trip to Thailand after a long break was approx. 1991 or 1992. I could typically get a girl for whole night from Soi Cowboy for 500 Baht back then (in one case just 400 baht and hard to get rid of her). Can't recall if there were any full nude bars. ST virtually did not exist for bargirls (at least I did not hear of it). I don't recall ever doing short time except in a massage place or a Phat Phong back room. I was not into Nana Plaza at the time as it definitely did not have fully nude girls (and only a few bars), although it did have nudity a few years later at Hollywood then Bubblegum, Pretty Lady, Voodoo etc. I did try Phat Phong back then (with full nudity upstairs) like Pussy Galore, Queens Castle, Supergirl, Lipstick?, Firecat, etc. and having Annies Rose and Kangaroo BJ bars where almost anything went on in the bar area. I took girls from Thermae for whole night too at that time (no STs were ever suggested). Some really hot girls who were only part time free lancers. I don't actually remember if prices for them were any different. I seem to recall the price for a girl at the Thermae Soapy Parlour upstairs was a little higher. Not sure how much longer it lasted before being torn down.
My first trip was 1984 or 85 but had very limited play-up opportunities (married) then so don't know what the prices were. I did visit my first Bangkok and Chiang Mai Soapies though, the first somewhat by accident not knowing what went on when I walked in for a look (and I could not speak Thai at all). It was in a low even numbered Soi of Sukhumvit, not Annies or Darling, so obviously was torn down for redevelopment by time I returned in 1992. Its been very hard to find out what it was called. The matriarch "Annie" would presumably know. I should chat to her one day.
A buddy of mine was going to Thailand regularly, well before me and he remembers when could get a fuck for 100 Baht. Ha Ha! I have heard $10 girls still exist in Cambodia in areas out of town where they have no English.
Supermarket prices have risen badly too. Foodland had a grilled chicken thigh with leg for 69 Baht. That is about quarter of a chicken. I can could get that for less in Germany grilled chicken shop. It seems not many years since that would have been 20 Baht. It may well be longer ago than I think. Perhaps nearly 15 years ago. Imported coffee grounds is so expensive in the supermarket that its much cheaper to buy in Germany and put in the suitcase. I guess local Thais don't drink Lavazza or Segafreddo etc. It just costs far too much.
I have resisted paying a membership.
Why? Well, My thinking is, this is a public forum (on the internet) and its free to read and post (sign up).
I have got a lot of insight from my state-side mongering and escapades, but not on an international level.
Why do you other mongers give a darn whether some people have a membership or not? I guess you want them to have skin in the game before you release info?
But for a first time international-monger like myself, I looked for a one time interactive informative river of info.
I often asked myself, why pay if I'm only going to one country this year and there is a variety of info out there?
I'm not knocking this place, but I am trying to say, be sympathetic to newbies who are just going to (insert country) for the first time.
I do see the value in signing up now. I missed many things in my exploits to Thailand, PMs that I would have got to give advice, stay clear from, to visit, or to give that extra nudge of information that was lacking in the forums.
Now that I want to explore other countries, its a no-brainer to sign up. The valuable insight of first hand experience is worth it. At this writing I have not signed up, but ask how the subscription is billed to my credit card.
Pervert billing? Hope not. Answer?
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1688038] I have heard $10 girls still exist in Cambodia in areas out of town where they have no English.[/QUOTE]Not only in areas out of town but also in Phnom Penh. The SWs around Wat Phnom can be had for $10 or even less if you're a tough bargainer.
You don't have be a paying member. The privileges are not much different. You can easily check the list of privileges and see if they appeal or not. I would gladly pay for a new membership with new handle if I could get of of probation review mode very quickly.
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Now that I want to explore other countries, its a no-brainer to sign up. The valuable insight of first hand experience is worth it. At this writing I have not signed up, but ask how the subscription is billed to my credit card.
Pervert billing? Hope not. Answer?
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A problem I sometimes have in Thailand is accidentally meeting some girl whose face I know. First I have to remember if I ever fucked her. 2nd have to remember if she is from a bar or MP or some completely innocent location.
One day this week met a girl I have fucked in Foodland. Fortunately knew who it was. She works in Tilac when she is not too lazy to show up.
Today met a girl with sexy lips in Tesco / Lotus. So far can't remember where I know her from. I guess I will know next time I see her.
Woman selling Som Tam and grilled chicken looks like mamasan at Doll House so I wondered where I knew her from.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1688417]
One day this week met a girl I have fucked in Foodland.[/QUOTE]So you fucked her in Foodland? Sounds like an interesting story, LOL!
It seems like Bkk streets are about to get a makeover.
[URL]http://www.rappler.com/world/regions/asia-pacific/85401-bangkok-street-stalls-crackdown?utm_content=buffer781c1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer[/URL]
This is my first time visiting Bangkok and one thing I have not liked is the difficulty in walking down a street in the Suk area. Frequently, pedestrians have to leave the sidewalk due to congestion and dozens of vendors and find themselves on the main Suk road. Walking on Suk can be a very unpleasant expereince. The same is true for many of the Sois.
A few days ago, someone told me a pedestrian was killed while walking on the street when he was struck by a large bus mirror attached to a public bus. Other times, the sidewalk is broken or electric wires are stretched across to provide electricity for the vendors. These are all obvious public safety hazards.
I have been to Singapore and they have some nice hawking centers easily accessible to tourists and the general public. Hopefully, they can find the open space to create the same in the Suk / Nana area though that might be a problem since there appears to be little public open space available.
I would bet that very few of these vendors have legitimate licenses and clearly there is no sales tax or VAT attached to their prices so the city really benefits very little in generating revenue unless there is corruption involved in allowing these vendors to set up shop in these areas. Maybe, I should set up a stand selling, for example, used English and German books and see what happens?
I noticed the same thing in Pattaya this week. The city built this beautiful pedestrian beach paved path and it is now impossible to walk on due to all the vendor stands. Several posters in late 2014 said the vendors would stop effective the end of 2014 but, guess what, they are still there clogging up the path.
[QUOTE=RedKilt;1688437]It seems like Bkk streets are about to get a makeover.
[URL]http://www.rappler.com/world/regions/asia-pacific/85401-bangkok-street-stalls-crackdown?utm_content=buffer781c1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer[/URL][/QUOTE]
Yes, do tell. Did it happen in produce? 555.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1688421]So you fucked her in Foodland? Sounds like an interesting story, LOL![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tomasb;1688446] I noticed the same thing in Pattaya this week. The city built this beautiful pedestrian beach paved path and it is now impossible to walk on due to all the vendor stands. Several posters in late 2014 said the vendors would stop effective the end of 2014 but, guess what, they are still there clogging up the path.[/QUOTE]
Nobody said they would stop permanently. On the contrary: most likely they will clog up Beach Road more and more going forward.
[QUOTE=Tomasb;1688446]This is my first time visiting Bangkok and one thing I have not liked is the difficulty in walking down a street in the Suk area. Frequently, pedestrians have to leave the sidewalk due to congestion and dozens of vendors and find themselves on the main Suk road. Walking on Suk can be a very unpleasant expereince. The same is true for many of the Sois.
A few days ago, someone told me a pedestrian was killed.[/QUOTE]Those that are here many years get used to it. I walk on the road all the time but watch out for vehicles of course. Another option is to walk on even numbered Soi side of Sukhumwit road. I can't stand to be behind casually strolling pedestrians, that insist on blocking the way and some of them stink too. Take a motorcycle short ride to just zoom past it.
Avoid this section of Suk completely. There is nothing to interest me in Soi 3 to 7. If I wanted to get to Soi 7/1 I would take motorcycle there or to Soi 11 and its a very short walk from there. Just plan the best efficient way to get to your destination. I like Foodland late but use Soi 16 branch. Correction I do go to Check Inn 99 on occasion located right in the middle of the bad stretch.
[QUOTE=Tomasb;1688446]This is my first time visiting Bangkok and one thing I have not liked is the difficulty in walking down a street in the Suk area. ...
Several posters in late 2014 said the vendors would stop effective the end of 2014 but, guess what, they are still there clogging up the path.[/QUOTE]That is the first-impression Bangkok that makes one hate the city forever, as did it to me many years ago. You may have missed the show when some high-raking police was arrested over corruption and street vendors. Nothing has changed and nothing will ever change. It is just about letting the big bazaar continue. There's zero concept of "responsibility" and "improvement", all what matters is that motor traffic can still relatively flow *, all the others can just get lost. Rich Thais don't walk anyway.
* exception, in Pattaya the traffic manager has decided that thousands of vehicles stuck for hours is better than moving traffic. Here is not even about corruption, but plain idiocy and hubris.
[QUOTE=RedKilt;1688437]It seems like Bkk streets are about to get a makeover.
[URL]http://www.rappler.com/world/regions/asia-pacific/85401-bangkok-street-stalls-crackdown?utm_content=buffer781c1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer[/URL][/QUOTE]Interesting. Says nothing about a crackdown on Nigerian drug dealers some would hope for. Priorities are screwed up as usual, I guess the palms are being greased along the corridor of powers.
[QUOTE=Tomasb;1688446]This is my first time visiting Bangkok and one thing I have not liked is the difficulty in walking down a street in the Suk area. Frequently, pedestrians have to leave the sidewalk due to congestion and dozens of vendors and find themselves on the main Suk road. Walking on Suk can be a very unpleasant expereince. The same is true for many of the Sois.[/QUOTE]The even numbered Suk side has a few vendors and wide side walks. No real issue. The odd numbered Suk side is a completely different story. In November 2014 I noticed the vendors were generally setting up later (7/8 pm) and Monday's were vendor free days which was a huge quality of life increase. I could hear the other people on the sidewalks talking about how nice it was when it was vendor free. For the rare time I purchase something I really did not need anyway (tshirts / belts / socks) I would vote for a greatly reduced presence.
[QUOTE=Tomasb;1688446]A few days ago, someone told me a pedestrian was killed while walking on the street when he was struck by a large bus mirror attached to a public bus. Other times, the sidewalk is broken or electric wires are stretched across to provide electricity for the vendors. These are all obvious public safety hazards.[/QUOTE]In the US there is the America Disability Act (ADA) where basically public spaces must provide wheelchair access. I often think about that in LOS and how near difficult it must be for people with mobility issues to move about.
SL.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1688406]The answer is in the FAQ section:
What name will appear on my credit card statement?
Your credit card statement will show a charge in the name of "GT*i s g i n t e r n e t s a l e 1 8 8 8 8 8 9 0 7 8 8 ". Any internet search for this name will not show any indication that you have bought a subscription to this forum.[/QUOTE]Except that now if you google "I s g I n t e r n e t s a l e" it will lead you straight to your posting.
I guess Jackson will have to search for something new to put on the credit card statements in the future and all of us who paid in the past are now hosed..
Thank you Mogwai.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1689205]Except that now if you google "I s g I n t e r n e t s a l e" it will lead you straight to your posting.
I guess Jackson will have to search for something new to put on the credit card statements in the future and all of us who paid in the past are now hosed..
Thank you Mogwai.[/QUOTE]"Any internet search for this name will not show any indication that you have bought a subscription to this forum."
I don't know why that is, maybe it has to do with the spaces between the letters?
Anyway, IF a search for this name leads to this site then it already lead to this site before my post because this name was already there in the FAQ section. Duh!
As you may know, Wednesday is 'buddha day' in Thailand.
Do you know if if it will be business as usual in Massage parlors and soapies?
As for bars, I heard they are not allowed to sell alcohol?
Thanks!
I was told that June 1 was Buddha's Birthday, so it was a holiday. Will a lot of places be closed? Restaurants? Bars? Will liquor sales be restricted?
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1696656]I was told that June 1 was Buddha's Birthday, so it was a holiday. Will a lot of places be closed? Restaurants? Bars? Will liquor sales be restricted?[/QUOTE]Is a Visakha Bucha Day [URL]http://www.boomboomme.com/resources/holidays/thailand/[/URL].
I think many place will be close.
[QUOTE=ChristianG;1696697]Is a Visakha Bucha Day [URL]http://www.boomboomme.com/resources/holidays/thailand/[/URL].
I think many place will be close.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the information. I will plan accordingly.
There's always been a passionate debate on this board about "tipping. " It mostly applies to tipping the girls for services provided. Some nationalities don't tip and other do. Those who do tip are often faulted for being too generously or too stingy so it's a damn if you do and damn if you don't situation.
Anyway, I hadn't been in Thailand in nearly 5 years, but on my most recent trip, I noticed something that I hadn't seen before. A 10% service charge automatically added to restaurant bills and some hotel bills.
By restaurants, I mean the sit down ones with waitresses who serve you, the kind that you find in large shopping malls like Terminal 21 and MBK in Bangkok and the big mall in Pattaya.
I also noticed that Grand President Hotel in Bangkok added a "service charge" to my bill. I'm aware some hotel's will add a VAT or some other government tax, but this charge was separately itemized as a "service charge".
I wasn't upset since I've seen the automatic inclusion of a service charge by some restaurants in the USA, Europe, and South America (a steak house in Buenos Aires). In those cases, I just don't leave a tip but I always wonder if the business pockets the service charge instead of giving the money to the serving staff.
The service charge by the hotel was, however, a surprise.
Is this automatically including a service charge something new in Bangkok / Pattaya or was I simply more diligent at looking at my bills on this trip?
[QUOTE=Yujin;1704118]There's always been a passionate debate on this board about "tipping. " It mostly applies to tipping the girls for services provided. Some nationalities don't tip and other do. Those who do tip are often faulted for being too generously or too stingy so it's a damn if you do and damn if you don't situation.
Anyway, I hadn't been in Thailand in nearly 5 years, but on my most recent trip, I noticed something that I hadn't seen before. A 10% service charge automatically added to restaurant bills and some hotel bills.
By restaurants, I mean the sit down ones with waitresses who serve you, the kind that you find in large shopping malls like Terminal 21 and MBK in Bangkok and the big mall in Pattaya.
I also noticed that Grand President Hotel in Bangkok added a "service charge" to my bill. I'm aware some hotel's will add a VAT or some other government tax, but this charge was separately itemized as a "service charge".
I wasn't upset since I've seen the automatic inclusion of a service charge by some restaurants in the USA, Europe, and South America (a steak house in Buenos Aires). In those cases, I just don't leave a tip but I always wonder if the business pockets the service charge instead of giving the money to the serving staff.
The service charge by the hotel was, however, a surprise.
Is this automatically including a service charge something new in Bangkok / Pattaya or was I simply more diligent at looking at my bills on this trip?[/QUOTE]I usually stay at a 5-star hotel in Bangkok and as best as I can remember they have always added a 10 percent service charge to the bill (I started staying there maybe 10 years ago). But I haven't paid super close attention to this and my memory about it may not be precise.
[QUOTE=Yujin;1704118]The service charge by the hotel was, however, a surprise.
Is this automatically including a service charge something new in Bangkok / Pattaya or was I simply more diligent at looking at my bills on this trip?[/QUOTE]I've noticed the standard service charge for at least 10 years. Usually, you pay an extra 17% (10% service charge and 7% VAT) over the price quoted. It is important to take this in to consideration when comparing prices from different booking websites. Some include the 17% and some don't.
I still leave a tip for the maid on check out, especially if I have had messy girls. But since I realized that the security guard that checks the room upon checkout has probably been grabbing it, I've started to leave it under the pillow.
Can't say how much this apply across borders, but a friend works in management at one of the big casinos in Macao. We had a discussion about tipping and the service charge and he said none of that goes to the employees, at least not as a separate payment. I suppose you could say it's included in their salary. I can't say if it's the same in Thailand, but wouldn't be surprised.
As for seeing it around Bangkok I recall seeing virtually everywhere at any place that uses a digital bill system. Possible though that maybe MICROS or whatever is the most popular point of sale system in Thailand got software update recently? Also maybe the the new government is cracking down on collecting their end?
A few of the smaller hotels it's included in the price so you don't see a separate item, but some of the booking sites show a lower price and then you see the service charge later which makes the net the equal.
[QUOTE=Yujin;1704118]There's always been a passionate debate on this board about "tipping. " It mostly applies to tipping the girls for services provided. Some nationalities don't tip and other do. Those who do tip are often faulted for being too generously or too stingy so it's a damn if you do and damn if you don't situation.
Anyway, I hadn't been in Thailand in nearly 5 years, but on my most recent trip, I noticed something that I hadn't seen before. A 10% service charge automatically added to restaurant bills and some hotel bills.
By restaurants, I mean the sit down ones with waitresses who serve you, the kind that you find in large shopping malls like Terminal 21 and MBK in Bangkok and the big mall in Pattaya.
I also noticed that Grand President Hotel in Bangkok added a "service charge" to my bill. I'm aware some hotel's will add a VAT or some other government tax, but this charge was separately itemized as a "service charge".
I wasn't upset since I've seen the automatic inclusion of a service charge by some restaurants in the USA, Europe, and South America (a steak house in Buenos Aires). In those cases, I just don't leave a tip but I always wonder if the business pockets the service charge instead of giving the money to the serving staff.
The service charge by the hotel was, however, a surprise.
Is this automatically including a service charge something new in Bangkok / Pattaya or was I simply more diligent at looking at my bills on this trip?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SaltyPete;1704256]I've noticed the standard service charge for at least 10 years. Usually, you pay an extra 17% (10% service charge and 7% VAT) over the price quoted. It is important to take this in to consideration when comparing prices from different booking websites. Some include the 17% and some don't.
I still leave a tip for the maid on check out, especially if I have had messy girls. But since I realized that the security guard that checks the room upon checkout has probably been grabbing it, I've started to leave it under the pillow.[/QUOTE]Your point about making sure any comparison of rates is apples to apples (i.e., either both including the service charge, or both not including it) particularly becomes relevant when comparing prepaid reservations (which would include the charge) and those that are not prepaid (where the service charge may not be included in the base rate quote)..
As to tipping the maid (or maids) I usually leave tips every day on the bed. This way the maids get tips proportional to the number of days they have made up my room. What I don't know is whether the maids are obliged to share their tips with the other maids in a sort of common fund (as many bellmen are so required).
[QUOTE=SaltyPete;1704256]I've noticed the standard service charge for at least 10 years. Usually, you pay an extra 17% (10% service charge and 7% VAT) over the price quoted. It is important to take this in to consideration when comparing prices from different booking websites. Some include the 17% and some don't.
I still leave a tip for the maid on check out, especially if I have had messy girls. But since I realized that the security guard that checks the room upon checkout has probably been grabbing it, I've started to leave it under the pillow.[/QUOTE]I have never stayed in a hotel in Bangkok that did not add 17.7% to the bill, a ten percent service charge and 7.7% VAT.
I commend you for tipping the maid who cleans your room. I recommend you leave a little something for the maid every day. This will ensure the lady who cleans your room that day, that person may change from day to day, will receive your tip; and you will likely get better service from housekeeping over the course of your stay. I make it a practice of doing this and special requests like extra towels, having my room made up at a specific time, et cetera are always taken care of with a smile.
I've seen the 17% a lot, but I'm not sure it is universal. I don't trust management to pass it on, so like others have said, I leave something on the table or desk. I had a weird Pattaya experience where she did not take it even though it was in plain sight, so I grabbed the notepad and carefully copied the Thai for "maid" and left it with the money the next day. It worked: The money was gone. But there was a problem: She had written something below my artwork. I took it with me to the bars and had a BG read it: "Thank You". I carry that thing, folded so the thank-you is gone, with me on every trip.
[QUOTE=SaltyPete;1704256]
I still leave a tip for the maid on check out, especially if I have had messy girls. But since I realized that the security guard that checks the room upon checkout has probably been grabbing it, I've started to leave it under the pillow.[/QUOTE]That's the reason I always hand over the tip to the maid (s) personally, usually at the end of my stay.
I never tip daily and I have never noticed a decline in service because of that. But most of the time I'm staying in the same hotels where the maids know me and they know I will tip them in the end.
How much do you guys tip? I give them 100 B per week or 20 B per day for a short stay.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1704580]That's the reason I always hand over the tip to the maid (s) personally, usually at the end of my stay.
I never tip daily and I have never noticed a decline in service because of that. But most of the time I'm staying in the same hotels where the maids know me and they know I will tip them in the end.
How much do you guys tip? I give them 100 B per week or 20 B per day for a short stay.[/QUOTE]I usually give 60 or 80 baht a day, but it is for a very large suite (harder to clean) in a five-star hotel. I know many would tip less (and perhaps a few would tip more), but I am comfortable giving this amount.
Have used this on this trip, anyone who says ladies are not trolling on here have not even tried. My experience after the initial greeting. By about the 3rd reply is where your room LOL.
Here's some samples of what's out there, since it is an open app, anyone in proximity can see same photos.
the girls ask same $ as working from bar or gogo but quickly concede for lesser baht as they realize it is afternoon bonus $$ and that as not a first time visitor, money exchanged, good for me, good for them .
The doe eyed one is from airport gogo btw ....
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1704580]
How much do you guys tip?
[/QUOTE]I usually tip THB 100 per day.
[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1704582]I usually give 60 or 80 baht a day, but it is for a very large suite (harder to clean) in a five-star hotel. I know many would tip less (and perhaps a few would tip more), but I am comfortable giving this amount.[/QUOTE]I usually accumulate a bag of dirty clothes about every 5 days, and I give it to the maid to pass along to the hotel's laundry service. I hand the maid 100 baht along with the bag, and I always get a huge smile, and top-notch service for the duration of my stay. 100 baht means so little to me, but it means a whole lot to a poor maid.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1704580]I give them 100 B per week or 20 B per day for a short stay.[/QUOTE]Sounds kind of low. 100/ day minimum. They work together in most rooms also. Your splitting 20 baht between two women.
Has anyone encountered any issues / hassles at Suwarnabhoomi airport because their passport was due to expire in less than 6 months?
Mine has 5 months left so wondering how strictly will they implement this rule. In some countries there have been occasional case of fascism.
Anyone?
[QUOTE=Omigawd;1706723]Has anyone encountered any issues / hassles at Suwarnabhoomi airport because their passport was due to expire in less than 6 months?
Mine has 5 months left so wondering how strictly will they implement this rule. In some countries there have been occasional case of fascism.
Anyone?[/QUOTE]You may not even get to BBK. When I depart from the USA, the airline checks the expiration date on my passport before issuing my ticket.
[QUOTE=Omigawd;1706723]Has anyone encountered any issues / hassles at Suwarnabhoomi airport because their passport was due to expire in less than 6 months? Mine has 5 months left so wondering how strictly will they implement this rule. In some countries there have been occasional case of fascism.
Anyone?[/QUOTE]Paul K has answered the Q -- you will (or should be) denied boarding in the USA. Your airline is liable for a fine (I don't know how much) and is responsible for the cost of your immediate return to the US if by chance you get aboard. The fine for the airline was US $1 k some years ago, so they take the visa check seriously.
You should be able to get a passport quickly, however. Good luck!
TTG.
Is this website reliable guys?
[URL]http://devilsdenthailand.com/profiles/97/Jane.html[/URL] this girl looks really nice. Anyone ever tried her?
[QUOTE=Omigawd;1706723]Has anyone encountered any issues / hassles at Suwarnabhoomi airport because their passport was due to expire in less than 6 months?
Mine has 5 months left so wondering how strictly will they implement this rule. In some countries there have been occasional case of fascism.
Anyone?[/QUOTE]Don't take a chance. Just get your passport renewed before you leave and rest easy. Only takes a couple of days if you get the expedited service.
SW4.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1706735]You may not even get to BBK. When I depart from the USA, the airline checks the expiration date on my passport before issuing my ticket.[/QUOTE]Actually they check at check-in in my case. (You can enter what you want on line). It is up to us to make sure of this validity requirement. It can be a bummer to reach the airport and not be allowed to get in.
Yes. The Devil's den is a reputed joint in Pattaya just like the Eden's in BKK. The website is authentic but the photos may be a bit touched up. I have not taken this particular girl but have availed the services of two other girls. The services are good though a bit mechanical but the costs are reasonable.
[QUOTE=KeepItBurnin;1706753]Is this website reliable guys?
[URL]http://devilsdenthailand.com/profiles/97/Jane.html[/URL] this girl looks really nice. Anyone ever tried her?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Omigawd;1706723]Has anyone encountered any issues / hassles at Suwarnabhoomi airport because their passport was due to expire in less than 6 months?
Mine has 5 months left so wondering how strictly will they implement this rule. In some countries there have been occasional case of fascism.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't call this rule "fascism" OMG.
It is an international convention; widely publicized and understood and you will find it clearly stated on EVERY visa information blurb for every country in the world.
I personally know a US traveller with more than 5 months (but less than 6) remaining on his PP who managed to get past the airline check-in in the USA only to find that he was stopped from entry to the Philippines. He was held in a room until the return flight was ready to leave and he was frog-marched back on board. He argued that he was here for 9 days only; he waved his ticket around as proof. Sorry Sir. Rules is rules.
He forfeited his ticket and it was a long arduous lesson learned. Imagine flying from New York to Manila, spending around 1 hour in the airport and flying back again.
Be sure to arrange for a new passport before you leave.
Thanks everyone who replied to my question. I have decided heed the advice you have given and head to passport office.
Thanks again.
[QUOTE=Omigawd;1706723]Has anyone encountered any issues / hassles at Suwarnabhoomi airport because their passport was due to expire in less than 6 months?
Mine has 5 months left so wondering how strictly will they implement this rule. In some countries there have been occasional case of fascism.
Anyone?[/QUOTE]I'm a bit late chiming in here (traveling around Sri Lanka). I had this happen to me once, 3 or 4 years ago. My passport had just under 6 months the before renewal date.
I bought the ticket online, provided passport number, no problem. I checked in at the EVA counter, checked luggage, they checked passport, no problem.
I got to the gate, boarding process started, they check passports as you're boarding. The rent-a-cop lady looked at it and pulled me out of line. She said my passport was expiring soon. Oh, shit. My heart sank. I protested that I'd passed all other checks and nobody had said a word. She then handed me over to one of the EVA agents, who just said don't worry, they will send a message to Thailand asking if it's OK for me to come. I waited by the check-in desk for 5 to 10 minutes (it seemed like an hour) as one of the agents typed into the computer and talked on the phone. Then a message came in, she handed me my passport, and they let me board.
Once in Thailand I breezed through passport control with no problems and heard nothing about it again.
Needless to say I renewed it as soon as I returned. But, apparently having a passport due to expire isn't an automatic denial of entry.
I would not want to travel to anywhere with only 6 months or less remaining until your passport expires. Almost every country I can recall visiting in the last several years has this 6 month policy in place. If you made it through so far, then count your lucky stars and get thee to your country embassy to renew.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1708646]I'm a bit late chiming in here (traveling around Sri Lanka). I had this happen to me once, 3 or 4 years ago. My passport had just under 6 months the before renewal date.
I bought the ticket online, provided passport number, no problem. I checked in at the EVA counter, checked luggage, they checked passport, no problem.
I got to the gate, boarding process started, they check passports as you're boarding. The rent-a-cop lady looked at it and pulled me out of line. She said my passport was expiring soon. Oh, shit. My heart sank. I protested that I'd passed all other checks and nobody had said a word. She then handed me over to one of the EVA agents, who just said don't worry, they will send a message to Thailand asking if it's OK for me to come. I waited by the check-in desk for 5 to 10 minutes (it seemed like an hour) as one of the agents typed into the computer and talked on the phone. Then a message came in, she handed me my passport, and they let me board.
Once in Thailand I breezed through passport control with no problems and heard nothing about it again.
Needless to say I renewed it as soon as I returned. But, apparently having a passport due to expire isn't an automatic denial of entry.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Omigawd;1706723]Has anyone encountered any issues / hassles at Suwarnabhoomi airport because their passport was due to expire in less than 6 months?
Mine has 5 months left so wondering how strictly will they implement this rule. In some countries there have been occasional case of fascism.
Anyone?[/QUOTE]Thailand is one of the few countries that lets you in with less than 6 months on your passport so long as you have a return ticket. Why thay do this I do not know, but it does create problems which they seem to not care about. The idea of the rule is that you will have time to get back to your country of origin before your passport expires, you can go to your own country with just a few days left on it. Problem is that some countries do not issue passports abroard, they insist you go back to your home country to get one, and that is why so many hang about Suk Soi 3 etc, their passport has expired and they cannot get another. This is usually not a problem with first world countries, and mainly affects the dark continent.
Good that you were successfull. I find it a bit tiring since especially around Sukhmuvit area you have a lot of ladyboys using it. Some advertise as such some unfortunately don't. Others quite plain / chubby looking ladies offered their services for over the market rate. Guess its really hit or miss.
[QUOTE=MilesToGo;1704636]Have used this on this trip, anyone who says ladies are not trolling on here have not even tried. My experience after the initial greeting. By about the 3rd reply is where your room LOL.
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[QUOTE=Babaluba;1709569]Good that you were successfull. I find it a bit tiring since especially around Sukhmuvit area you have a lot of ladyboys using it. Some advertise as such some unfortunately don't. Others quite plain / chubby looking ladies offered their services for over the market rate. Guess its really hit or miss.[/QUOTE]I actually used this in pattaya but the experience is very similar. Some of the LB's post directly in their profile. I have also had to ask once the chat started of their origin. As same as I meet them in person. A polite no thank you.
Mtg.
At the 4:10 minute mark on this video, I had a good laugh as the Alpine stereo dancers at the recent 2015 Bangkok Motor Show busted out their freestyle dance moves. .
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgLvjPmuP64[/URL]
[QUOTE=Yujin;1710297]At the 4:10 minute mark on this video, I had a good laugh as the Alpine stereo dancers at the recent 2015 Bangkok Motor Show busted out their freestyle dance moves. .
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgLvjPmuP64[/URL][/QUOTE]Can't watch the video since it is private.
Starting to get excited. Will be headed to the LOS in 2-1/2 days from LAX for my first trip to SE Asia to celebrate a divorce a few years back and a 60th BD last month. I will have just over 3 weeks to (probably) share between Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket.
My first stop will be in BKK for a few days where I will hook up with a mature woman (39) I met via OK Cupid nearly 2 years ago. She is a real sweet heart, not in the business, college graduate, relatively attractive, and quite sexually deprived. We have grown pretty close during this time.
Next, I will probably head to Phuket. I have dreamed of flying to James Bond Island, and being a pilot, it appears I may be able to rent a plane in Phuket and fulfill a dream. Also, I am not a party animal, so Phuket should help prepare me for the craziness of Pattaya, which I will visit next. (My friend does not know this, and I sort of feel like a fink).
I have met a few other middle aged woman (35) on OK Cupid and there are 2 to 3 more I could see in BKK, though I am not expecting sex from any of them. All of them hate Thai men, and they hate men who want sex it seems! But the shyest of girls, I suppose, can become tigers if they are with a man who is friendly and seems to care. I do care about them and consider them friends, even though I would not mind more. One is especially attractive, but I don't know how things might go. Anyway, after Pattaya and Phuket, I plan to return to Bangkok to see one or two of them and also get in some mongering. If the first girl was especially good, I might see her again. (She claims to be a virgin. And I actually believe her!
I may be spreading things a little thin by visiting 3 places, but I can average one week in each place, which doesn't seem too bad for a first visit. If I return, I can spend more time in the place, or places, I enjoy the most.
I have appreciated all the reports and the help I have received here, so I will return the help by keeping you all informed of my adventures, though I may not be able to say much until I say goodbye to my first friend and head to Phuket (though I might decide to head to Pattaya first. Who knows?
Later dudes!
[QUOTE=FLHawk;1712296]Starting to get excited. Will be headed to the LOS in 2-1/2 days from LAX for my first trip to SE Asia to celebrate a divorce a few years back and a 60th BD last month. I will have just over 3 weeks to (probably) share between Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket.
My first stop will be in BKK for a few days where I will hook up with a mature woman (39) I met via OK Cupid nearly 2 years ago. She is a real sweet heart, not in the business, college graduate, relatively attractive, and quite sexually deprived. We have grown pretty close during this time.
[/QUOTE]I think I'm similar to you. I went to Chiang Mai last Christmas, wanting to determine if it is a place I want to retire to. I lived in Bkk 25 years ago, speak some Thai, and had been to CM several times. I'm working / living in China for many years now, and have been divorced for 8 yrs. I had several "mature" women lined up from Thai Cupid, but in the end decided I could not mentally divide myself so easily. I just went with one, but she was clingy (nice, funny, college degree, good job, 39 yrs old, never married). I really didn't get much of a chance to really see if I could live in CM at this stage in my life (I decided I couldn't), as she wanted to be with me for the 11 days I was there (she had holidays at that time). We did have sex (she initiated) the first night, but I stayed away from it after that. I regret seeing her now, as she has hurt feelings, and I didn't really do what I wanted to do during the time I had. I would have advised you to leave Bkk til the end, and starting with Phuket or Pattaya. Hope you enjoy your trip, and achieve whatever goals you have for it.
I have a 4 pm Flight out on a Monday coming up. What is anyone's experience on grabbing a cab from Suk Soi 11 at that time of day?
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1713285]I have a 4 pm Flight out on a Monday coming up. What is anyone's experience on grabbing a cab from Suk Soi 11 at that time of day?[/QUOTE]I'd take a local's advice. It can take two hours if the traffic is bad. And your taxi driver does not know the short cuts. The taxi driver has no incentive to get there quickly as he will either have to dead head back into town or pend hours at yje airport waiting for fare. Use the train if you have to have to leave late.
[QUOTE=Scorchin;1713287]I'd take a local's advice. It can take two hours if the traffic is bad. And your taxi driver does not know the short cuts. The taxi driver has no incentive to get there quickly as he will either have to dead head back into town or pend hours at yje airport waiting for fare. Use the train if you have to have to leave late.[/QUOTE]Thank you. I kind of thought it would take a while to get there. However, I have several big bags and have to use a taxi. If worse come to worse, I will just leave real early, like 11 am And kill time at the airport.
[QUOTE=Yujin;1710297]At the 4:10 minute mark on this video, I had a good laugh as the Alpine stereo dancers at the recent 2015 Bangkok Motor Show busted out their freestyle dance moves. .
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgLvjPmuP64[/URL][/QUOTE] This is a better link:
[URL]http://youtu.be/jA2m6god9a8[/URL]
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1713285]I have a 4 pm Flight out on a Monday coming up. What is anyone's experience on grabbing a cab from Suk Soi 11 at that time of day?[/QUOTE]Allow plenty of time. Could take up to two hours, or perhaps more. Traffic is tough at that time of day. If my luggage were light I'd take the BTS.
SW4.
[QUOTE=SirWilliam4;1713306]Allow plenty of time. Could take up to two hours, or perhaps more. Traffic is tough at that time of day. If my luggage were light I'd take the BTS.
SW4.[/QUOTE]I never understood why men don't pack light? Do you have 20 pairs of shoes or something?
I always take BTS to get to downtown BKK. Totally worth the savings of time and money. I have one large luggage which rolls well.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1713285]I have a 4 pm Flight out on a Monday coming up. What is anyone's experience on grabbing a cab from Suk Soi 11 at that time of day?[/QUOTE]Go early. If you take taxi leave 5 hours before departure. If you can use airport rail link (luggage?) then it is ok to leave later.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1713285]I have a 4 pm Flight out on a Monday coming up. What is anyone's experience on grabbing a cab from Suk Soi 11 at that time of day?[/QUOTE]I never had a problem getting a cab at 4 pm or 4 M, get a bellboy at he hotel to get you one. They will even negotiate for you to take you by meter. Just leave about 3=4 hrs early.
Hi, still planning details of my trip, if I rent and use a scooter, do you know if the girls at walking street are willing to ride back with you for a short 2 to 3 km ride to your hotel?
[QUOTE=Yujin;1713302]This is a better link:
[URL]http://youtu.be/jA2m6god9a8[/URL][/QUOTE]Showing off the Alpine big "airbags". .
[QUOTE=Manicure;1713399]Hi, still planning details of my trip, if I rent and use a scooter, do you know if the girls at walking street are willing to ride back with you for a short 2 to 3 km ride to your hotel?[/QUOTE]They would much prefer riding than walking. Some have their own bikes so they will follow you. Others will even drive yours for you while you ride on the back.
[QUOTE=VIPhawaii;1713317]I never understood why men don't pack light? Do you have 20 pairs of shoes or something?
I always take BTS to get to downtown BKK. Totally worth the savings of time and money. I have one large luggage which rolls well.[/QUOTE]I appreciate all of you have taken the time to give me your comments on taking a cab to the airport at midday. To VIPHI, my luggage will include fishing gear for my barramundi expeditions I have planned for this trip.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1713285]I have a 4 pm Flight out on a Monday coming up. What is anyone's experience on grabbing a cab from Suk Soi 11 at that time of day?[/QUOTE]The main issue with travelling from Suk 11 is getting to the airport expressway. Once on the expressway traffic is generally not too bad but there is always potential for the unexpected. I usually allow about 75 min and its usually less. You can cut that a little by getting a tuk tuk to Sukhumvit and crossing the road (if bags are manageable) I just walk across as traffic is usually slow. Then when you catch a taxi its less than 5 min and you are on the expressway. If you get tempted on the Suk 8 side there is also an escalator to the BTS which makes getting on the BTS a lot easier. Did it a few weeks ago only have about 6 steps.
[QUOTE=GDreams;1713514]The main issue with travelling from Suk 11 is getting to the airport expressway. Once on the expressway traffic is generally not too bad but there is always potential for the unexpected. I usually allow about 75 min and its usually less. You can cut that a little by getting a tuk tuk to Sukhumvit and crossing the road (if bags are manageable) I just walk across as traffic is usually slow. Then when you catch a taxi its less than 5 min and you are on the expressway. If you get tempted on the Suk 8 side there is also an escalator to the BTS which makes getting on the BTS a lot easier. Did it a few weeks ago only have about 6 steps.[/QUOTE]Huh? Sukh Soi 11. Leave in the other direction further into the Soi, turn left, right and left again and end up in Soi 3 with a right turn into Sukhumvit Rd. That is the quickest way by taxi to get on the Expressway. Know your back roads!
I am having good connections with girls on Thai cupid, my weekend looks good, my Chiang Mai stay also looks good, pattaya I am not looking for dates, all of them wants to go with me with my photo shot, helping me with my travelling, some knows that they will stay overnight with me others no discussing on this (which is fine with me, plan be looks as good as plan A) . Will report (without going to much on details as all these girls are normal thai with jobs. My youngest is 31 and my oldest 35, my preferred age for sex experience and GFE for a guy who is 50.
[QUOTE=Titanio;1713669]Huh? Sukh Soi 11. Leave in the other direction further into the Soi, turn left, right and left again and end up in Soi 3 with a right turn into Sukhumvit Rd. That is the quickest way by taxi to get on the Expressway. Know your back roads![/QUOTE]Thanks, I knew that. I remember one taxi driver pulling a fast one and went down the Soi, turned left to run the meter and almost caused me to miss my plane. He caught a lot of traffic that was stuck at 4 am for some reason. It took 30 minutes just to get back to Suk.
[QUOTE=Yujin;1704118]There's always been a passionate debate on this board about "tipping. " It mostly applies to tipping the girls for services provided. Some nationalities don't tip and other do. Those who do tip are often faulted for being too generously or too stingy so it's a damn if you do and damn if you don't situation.
Anyway, I hadn't been in Thailand in nearly 5 years, but on my most recent trip, I noticed something that I hadn't seen before. A 10% service charge automatically added to restaurant bills and some hotel bills.
By restaurants, I mean the sit down ones with waitresses who serve you, the kind that you find in large shopping malls like Terminal 21 and MBK in Bangkok and the big mall in Pattaya.
I also noticed that Grand President Hotel in Bangkok added a "service charge" to my bill. I'm aware some hotel's will add a VAT or some other government tax, but this charge was separately itemized as a "service charge".
I wasn't upset since I've seen the automatic inclusion of a service charge by some restaurants in the USA, Europe, and South America (a steak house in Buenos Aires). In those cases, I just don't leave a tip but I always wonder if the business pockets the service charge instead of giving the money to the serving staff.
The service charge by the hotel was, however, a surprise.
Is this automatically including a service charge something new in Bangkok / Pattaya or was I simply more diligent at looking at my bills on this trip?[/QUOTE]That service charge is usually indicated with a "+ +" on their price listing. It means that there is a VAT charge and "service charge" added to the bill. I've found it in Fuji (Japanese fast food usually found in the malls) and it's commonly shown in rate quotes for more "upscale" rooms (like Hilton or Marriott).
So it is not "NEW" but only seen in the "Hi-so" places. Since I tend to "go native", I don't get charged that way.
[QUOTE=Manicure;1713688]I am having good connections with girls on Thai cupid, my weekend looks good, my Chiang Mai stay also looks good, pattaya I am not looking for dates, all of them wants to go with me with my photo shot, helping me with my travelling, some knows that they will stay overnight with me others no discussing on this (which is fine with me, plan be looks as good as plan A) . Will report (without going to much on details as all these girls are normal thai with jobs. My youngest is 31 and my oldest 35, my preferred age for sex experience and GFE for a guy who is 50.[/QUOTE]Thai cupid is worthless unless you BUY their "upgrade". I will not say ONE GOOD WORD ABOUT THE WORTHLESS CHEAPSKATE BASTARDS.
Try [URL]Thaifriendly.com[/URL] for a better experience. Their "basic" account limits you to 1 message every 10 minutes. You get out of the 10 minutes between messages by buying their upgrade.
IF you get to talking to a girl and tell her to contact you on some email account you can bypass them entirely.
The only good thing to the thaifriendly upgraded account is the ability to contact the "upper 1%" who get the most messages.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1713285]I have a 4 pm Flight out on a Monday coming up. What is anyone's experience on grabbing a cab from Suk Soi 11 at that time of day?[/QUOTE]CAB?? At NOON? 5 5 5 5 5 5 5.
Find the closest skytrain or subway station and go to any of the stops that interchange with the airport link and take the link to the airport. A LOT FASTER and CHEAPER, too. Takes you right to the basement of the terminal.
Then just get up to the 4th floor for check in and you are good to go. Check one of the monitors to see what check in letter section is your flight.
The monitor displays based on departure time.
I am not interested in selling any dating site, all I was doing is reporting my experience. I will gladly not do so if my comments are not useful. Yes I did pay the premium, and yes I did use also thai friendly.
[QUOTE=Dinghy;1713867]Thai cupid is worthless unless you BUY their "upgrade". I will not say ONE GOOD WORD ABOUT THE WORTHLESS CHEAPSKATE BASTARDS.
Try [URL]Thaifriendly.com[/URL] for a better experience. Their "basic" account limits you to 1 message every 10 minutes. You get out of the 10 minutes between messages by buying their upgrade.
IF you get to talking to a girl and tell her to contact you on some email account you can bypass them entirely.
The only good thing to the thaifriendly upgraded account is the ability to contact the "upper 1%" who get the most messages.[/QUOTE]
Today looked at Bangkok Post page 2. Miss Grand beauty comp. Winners were indeed unexpectedly beautiful matching my own taste for a change. Waitress teased me and said they were lady boys. Fortunately my eyes and taste was not deceiving me and they were real beautiful girls.
There are so many non mongering topics in Bangkok Thread which is annoying.
I would encourage those with non-mongering posts to use this general thread even if Bangkok relevant.
This helps those not interested in non-mongering topics to avoid them easily.
Will all entertainment venues (oil, nuru, etc.), bars, movies, restaurants, and shopping centers be closed for this Buddhist holiday? Does anyone know what might be open and give a listing? Otherwise, I have to stock up on beer for that day. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Dinghy;1713872]Find the closest skytrain or subway station and go to any of the stops that interchange with the airport link and take the link to the airport. A LOT FASTER and CHEAPER, too. Takes you right to the basement of the terminal.[/QUOTE]Not a great strategy if you have a lot of luggage as you can encounter multiple long stairways to traverse.
Not a great strategy if it is 37 degrees as you will be a hot sweaty mess in no time.
Not a great strategy if is raining as you will not be under cover the entire time.
I find an air conditioned taxi with the convenience of door to door service is [I]all things considered[/I] the best way to go. Of course as always YMMV.
SL.
Thai Visa mention that there are many new night life activities in On Nut area. The only place I have experience is On Nut Outdoor Market!. Anybody.
Find / experience any?
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1721473]Not a great strategy if you have a lot of luggage as you can encounter multiple long stairways to traverse.
Not a great strategy if it is 37 degrees as you will be a hot sweaty mess in no time.
Not a great strategy if is raining as you will not be under cover the entire time.
I find an air conditioned taxi with the convenience of door to door service is [I]all things considered[/I] the best way to go. Of course as always YMMV.
SL.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with Sunlover2 on this one. It seems that Mr Dinghy prefers to talk in all capital letters when making a point. That's when you should stop listening.
I am in BKK about every other month. I often use the Airport Express train to go from BKK airport to Sukhumvit, especially when I arrive at 6 am in the morning and there is no real rush to get to the hotel. My hotel room might not be ready for check-in anyway. On the return journey I virtually always use a cab: (1) It is cheap. Make sure you go by meter and the fare will be less than 300 baht plus tolls. (2) You will be dry. In torrential Bangkok rain you can be soaked through in 5 seconds, vey uncomfortable when you are about to board a 12 hour flight. (3) Don't believe Dinghy. Taxi is faster than tuk-tuk + BTS + Airport Express going to the airport. Of course, if your hotel is right next to Makkasan or Phaya Thai then I would not hesitate to use the train.
I was reading interesting article, anyone come across the nipple gang? Basically these women will either roofie your drink or use Rohypnol on their nipples so when guy sucks on them they get knocked out and all their valuables stolen.
[URL]http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/245985/Thai-tarts-rob-British-tourists-in-sex-drug-scam[/URL]
[QUOTE=Dynolas;1728393]I was reading interesting article, anyone come across the nipple gang? Basically these women will either roofie your drink or use Rohypnol on their nipples so when guy sucks on them they get knocked out and all their valuables stolen.
[URL]http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/245985/Thai-tarts-rob-British-tourists-in-sex-drug-scam[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes. It's called, in most circles, "Urban Legend. ".
If said girl really held the pill under her tongue it would dissolve and she would be the one knocked out. Liquid spread on a nipple will be absorbed through the skin. I reasonably large guy will need, what, 2 or 3 MG of the stuff to produce unconsciousness? You'd be hard pressed to get that much off of a nipple. And if the liquid was that strong the lady would also be affected.
All credible reports I've ever read, or heard about from the victim, involved spiked drinks. Yes, I'm saying this particular tabloid is a bit lacking in the credibility department. Note the distinct lack of specifics.
[QUOTE=Dynolas;1728393]I was reading interesting article, anyone come across the nipple gang? Basically these women will either roofie your drink or use Rohypnol on their nipples so when guy sucks on them they get knocked out and all their valuables stolen.
[URL]http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/245985/Thai-tarts-rob-British-tourists-in-sex-drug-scam[/URL][/QUOTE]This is a story that re-surfaces every so often and as with many of these stories it is pure "urban myth".
Spiking your drink is possible (in theory) but the blue color added to the tablets make it quite obvious there is something wrong with your drink. I found the following article that said " A recent study conducted by doctors in the UK found that none of the subjects reporting spiked drinks had any traces of flunitrazepam or other medications popularly believed to be associated with drug-assisted [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], such as GHB. However, flunitrazepam was prohibited for prescription under the NHS in 1992 (The National Health Service (General Medical Services). Rohypnol (1 mg) is available under private prescription. The study results, however, suggest that binge drinking is more commonly a factor in alleged drug-assisted [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] than pharmaceutical drugs.[Hope, Jenny (February 16, 2007). "Drug [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] myth exposed as study reveals binge drinking is to blame". Daily Mail (London).]"
Putting powdered tablets on her tits? Seems very very unlikely it can even work in theory.
Putting a tablet in her mouth and giving it when kissing? Come on guys, before she can do that she'll have already ingested a good part of the tablet through the mucuous membranes in her mouth and she'll be out herself.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1728499]This is a story that re-surfaces every so often and as with many of these stories it is pure "urban myth".[/QUOTE]Maybe the breast story specifically is an urban myth, but drugging punters with pills in drink or food is very much real. I know people who have been through that, woke up 18 h later and a fair bit of money lighter.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1729584]Maybe the breast story specifically is an urban myth, but drugging punters with pills in drink or food is very much real. I know people who have been through that, woke up 18 h later and a fair bit of money lighter.[/QUOTE]And even that seems rare: most are due to overconsumption of excessive amounts of alcohol. Few if any verifiable stories of actual "spiking" have been found it seems.
Well, it seems that somebody believes Thailand is still worth visiting. If not for mongering, then at least for something!
[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/03/travel/mastercard-top-10-destination-cities-2015/index.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1729584]Maybe the breast story specifically is an urban myth, but drugging punters with pills in drink or food is very much real. I know people who have been through that, woke up 18 h later and a fair bit of money lighter.[/QUOTE]Guys,
Call it urban myth, call it what ever you wish, but this does happen, I know, I am speaking from first hand experience.
I think I had one of the luckiest escapes ever, this happened about 5 years ago in Nana, can not remember the name of the bar, but if I had to make a bet I would say carousel. Anyway this is what happened, went in ordered a diet coke, my normal drink in these type of places due to the fact it is served in a can rather then an open glass, anyway sitting drinking my DC when this stunningly beautiful girl approaches me, I knew she was not a LB, but her looks were like nothing I had ever seen in Nana or Cowboy on my many visits during many years, we started chatting, getting touchy feely, all was going very well, I knew just by her look that I could spend the night if not longer with her, BUT she gave off a vibe that something was not right, I could not put my finger on it, but there was something, when the talk came around to me barfineing her, I thought quickly and told her I had to meet a friend to collect cash and would return in about one hour, I had decided that there was something I did not like and was no going to return, so told her that if another punter wanted her not to pass up on it for me in case I got delayed, why should she lose out because I have decided I did not want her, so I leave the club, it is still early, only 10.45 pm, first thoughts were to go to Cowboy as did not want her seeing me around Nana, by the time I walked to the entrance of Nana to where the taxis are, I started to feel tired, so decided to go back to hotel, rest for an hour and head out around midnight to find some late night fun, anyway back to hotel, lay down about 11.15 pm, and did not wake up till 2.15 pm the next afternoon, yes slept for a solid 15 hours, never done that in my life, that was not a hangover from a diet coke that was the result of whatever she had spiked the can with while distracting me with a kiss because she was convinced I was going to barfineing her. I honestly believe if I did not have that feeling about her I would of woken with out my wallet, cash, but more worrying is the possibility of finding out some body organ has been removed, that is not another urban myth, there have been many cases of that happening, my advice to all you guys is, if you get any kind of a feeling that something is wrong, leave it there are always more ladies either that night or the next. Stay safe and enjoy. I am heading back on July 1st.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1729710]And even that seems rare: most are due to overconsumption of excessive amounts of alcohol. Few if any verifiable stories of actual "spiking" have been found it seems.[/QUOTE]I'm not in a position to do a survey on how common it is, but I have a close friend who had this happen to him. Non-drinker, speaks some Thai, expat of few years, in other words, unlikely victim. I know the story as I lent him a bit of cash until he could get his cards sorted (she took away both cash and cards, but fortunately left his passport). This was a pick-up from Khao San Road, not the usual haunts. It's foolish to assume a drugging can't happen to you.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1728499]Putting a tablet in her mouth and giving it when kissing? Come on guys, before she can do that she'll have already ingested a good part of the tablet through the mucuous membranes in her mouth and she'll be out herself.[/QUOTE]Yes, happened to me in Las Vegas. To make a long story short, she also was knocked out. We both ended up collapsing on separate beds. Really a waste of her time since I had already lost all my money at the black jack tables. Anyway, the next day was a blur. I vaguely remember puking in one of the casino's large plant pots. A thoroughly unpleasant experience.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1730481]I'm not in a position to do a survey on how common it is, but I have a close friend who had this happen to him. Non-drinker, speaks some Thai, expat of few years, in other words, unlikely victim. I know the story as I lent him a bit of cash until he could get his cards sorted (she took away both cash and cards, but fortunately left his passport). This was a pick-up from Khao San Road, not the usual haunts. It's foolish to assume a drugging can't happen to you.[/QUOTE]I, too, have no idea how common it is, but there are plenty of very credible stories of girls drugging their clients and then robbing them. It does happen. There are no credible accounts of waking up in a bathtub full of ice, missing a kidney. :)
The moral of the story is *never* accept an opened beer or mixed drink from a complete stranger, especially one you've picked up off of the street.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1729710]And even that seems rare: most are due to overconsumption of excessive amounts of alcohol. Few if any verifiable stories of actual "spiking" have been found it seems.[/QUOTE]Here' s a verifiable story of spiked drinks:
Former NFL player Darren Sharper recently plead guilty or no contest in California, Arizona, Nevada, and Louisiana with spiking the drinks of a number of women with Ecstasy, Xanax, Valium, and Ambien to incapacity and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] them.
[URL]http://www.propublica.org/article/police-fail-stop-nfl-darren-sharper-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]-spree?utm_campaign=comms&utm_source=sexton-social&utm_medium=email&utm_term=darren-sharper[/URL]
Ecstasy or "ya E" is easily available in Thailand so remember what Darren Sharper recently plead guilty to doing.
Just a general question for those who visit both cities. Out of the 2 areas below, which would have more girls (excluding ladyboys) or would it be fairly close? Not comparing quality, service, price, etc. For this question, only pure numbers. I know there are tons of girls at both. Am I missing a major area in either city (purposely excluded Patpong)?
1. Walking Street, Beach Road, LK Metro, Soi 6, soi 7, soi 8.
2. Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, Soi 11 discos, Soi Thaniya, and the massage places on Ratchadapidesek Road, Soi 24/1, Soi 33.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1733622]Just a general question for those who visit both cities. Out of the 2 areas below, which would have more girls (excluding ladyboys) or would it be fairly close? Not comparing quality, service, price, etc. For this question, only pure numbers. I know there are tons of girls at both. Am I missing a major area in either city (purposely excluded Patpong)?
1. Walking Street, Beach Road, LK Metro, Soi 6, soi 7, soi 8.
2. Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, Soi 11 discos, Soi Thaniya, and the massage places on Ratchadapidesek Road, Soi 24/1, Soi 33.[/QUOTE]Banana, I see you have done a fair amount of research. I think it is now time for you to pack your bags and get over here. I assure you LOS will blow your mind. Nothing you can read about here can adequately prepare your senses for the 1st time you hit Pattaya (Walking Street) or Sukhumvit. BKK and Pat each have comparative advantages over one another and they are not mutually exclusive. Walking Street and Cowboy are roughly set up the same way except that Walking Street is 20 x larger! BKK's main advantage over Pat is with massage parlors. BKK has many quality ones on Soi 24 and Ratchadapidesek. Pat has only a couple decent ones and most are shitty compared to BKK. There is no way to predict which destination you will like more ahead of time. I am predominately a BKKer, but many punters like Pat more. Up to you. For your cherry trip I suggest you spend an equal amount of time in both places and decide for yourself. 2 weeks or longer should be your time frame.
(And don't write of Patpong 2. It is coming back. Bada Bing is an excellent Go Go.)
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1733622]Just a general question for those who visit both cities. Out of the 2 areas below, which would have more girls (excluding ladyboys) or would it be fairly close? Not comparing quality, service, price, etc. For this question, only pure numbers. I know there are tons of girls at both. Am I missing a major area in either city (purposely excluded Patpong)?
1. Walking Street, Beach Road, LK Metro, Soi 6, soi 7, soi 8.
2. Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, Soi 11 discos, Soi Thaniya, and the massage places on Ratchadapidesek Road, Soi 24/1, Soi 33.[/QUOTE]Forget about numbers: one week in Bangkok or Pattaya is not enough to totally visit either Soi Cowboy or Soi 6.
I have visited Soi Cowboy so many times and every time I go there, I have to start my exploration all over again as new recruits arrive and veterans have left.
In one week time I may meet 5 or 6 girls and that is such a tiny fraction of what is available that the total number of girls is irrelevant.
I agree with Natty: just come down to Bangkok or Pattaya, experience it first hand and forget all you questions.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1733738]Forget about numbers: one week in Bangkok or Pattaya is not enough to totally visit either Soi Cowboy or Soi 6.
I have visited Soi Cowboy so many times and every time I go there, I have to start my exploration all over again as new recruits arrive and veterans have left.
In one week time I may meet 5 or 6 girls and that is such a tiny fraction of what is available that the total number of girls is irrelevant.
I agree with Natty: just come down to Bangkok or Pattaya, experience it first hand and forget all you questions.[/QUOTE]Good advice. Bangkok sex opportuities are vast. And not even confined to Sukhumvit and Rachad..... Go try it and you probably be able to report on experiences th't none of us have had. In over 40, yes 40, trips apart from my favourite haircut / manicaye / massage place, I have never used the same place / source of fun.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1733738]I agree with Natty: just come down to Bangkok or Pattaya, experience it first hand and forget all you questions.[/QUOTE]
I do apologize for the questions. It just keeps my interest up while I wait for my trip. I'm already booked. Unfortunately, for me to take a month off work I need to plan well over 6 months in advance. I've already set aside a second set of dates for Spring, 2016. lol
My trip is leaning towards much more time in Pattaya than BKK. I enjoy the party atmosphere and Pattaya seems to provide that more than BKK. There also seems to be a lot more places in Pattaya. Please correct me if I am wrong. I asked the question since if someone said BKK had way more girls I would need to readjust my hotel bookings.
I'm not sure I hobby the same as most guys. Where I hobby I can hit 30-40 oilies / soapies or 10 strip clubs in one night. In Germany, I can hit up to 6 FKK's in a day when most guys go to only 1.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1733651] Nothing you can read about here can adequately prepare your senses for the 1st time you hit Pattaya (Walking Street) or Sukhumvit. [/QUOTE]
Natty, I have heard that about Walking Street before. It does seem quite crazy. I did a ton of preparation before going the first time to Oase and Goldentime in Germany and all my reading could not have prepared me for the amazing beauty I saw. My main strip club has 300+ girls on weekend nights. That in itself is always quite a sight.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1733651] I assure you LOS will blow your mind. Nothing you can read about here can adequately prepare your senses for the 1st time you hit Pattaya (Walking Street) or Sukhumvit. [/QUOTE]I would return from my Thai trips and tell a young (24 yo) coworker about Thailand. He would nod his head, etc. Then, after he finally went with me, he declared, "Holy shit, now I see what you mean when you said, 'You have to go there' It's like being told about the Eiffel tower and actually being inside it (or talking about fucking vs. actual fucking). Anyway, you guys know.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1733769]I do apologize for the questions.[/QUOTE]No need to apologize. Asking questions is fine, provided at some time you put the answers to good use.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1733769]I'm not sure I hobby the same as most guys. Where I hobby I can hit 30-40 oilies / soapies or 10 strip clubs in one night. In Germany, I can hit up to 6 FKK's in a day when most guys go to only 1.
[/QUOTE]To each his own style, but you are coming to Thailand. This is not the place to rush from one establishment to another. For starters, it is far too hot and humid to rush and an Energizer-bunny attitude sits badly with most Thai. You will benefit much more of your trip if you take things easy and slowly.
Yeah, that's right, but not by a sexy Thai damsel but by spider? Well, I think it was a spider I did not see what bit me on the waistline at the time I remember looking down and seeing a small welt, the immediate thought came to mind that a spider was the culprit. Three months of me being parked on the sofa and bed ensued with a gaping hole in my gut which could not be stitched as the doctors told me the infection would return. I once got gonorrhea, that did my head in at the time but on reflection that was a cake walk compared to this experience. Talk on the forum is always centered on sexual diseases, as far as I'm concerned something far worse befell me.
So there you go gentlemen, I shall always check my bedding before climbing in with honey as you never know what else lies between the sheets. It just goes to show there are so many ways one can come to misfortune asides from the much mentioned sexual diseases. Take care out there.
Just a general question about mongering, specific to Thailand, that I'd like to ask as I am quite new to this (been there once but kind of just jumped into it, but planning to go back). I've seen a few posts mentioning "interview questions" that you ask a bar girl or FL before deciding to pick her. Could some of the senior members please elaborate and maybe share some of these questions that they use to discern whether or not they want to pick a certain girl, and perhaps any other things they talk about before choosing a girl.
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Rqnxx;1743914]Just a general question about mongering, specific to Thailand, that I'd like to ask as I am quite new to this (been there once but kind of just jumped into it, but planning to go back). I've seen a few posts mentioning "interview questions" that you ask a bar girl or FL before deciding to pick her. Could some of the senior members please elaborate and maybe share some of these questions that they use to discern whether or not they want to pick a certain girl, and perhaps any other things they talk about before choosing a girl.
Thanks![/QUOTE]OK, here goes. After whatever amount of introduction, mild joking and fun stuff that fits the situation (go-go girl vs Free Lancer vs massage shop girl outside her shop, for instance. BTW, I rarely go into a happy ending massage shop to do the deed anymore. I pay the bar fine for a girl I meet outside or just inside the place and take her to my room), I will smile broadly and go into something like the brief exchange below. I should mention that I am only interested in three major sexual activities with the girls; eating her pussy, boom booming her, and getting a blowjob with a cum in mouth finish. I am not into anal sex or any other ass play, cumming on faces, cumming on boobs, cumming out an open window or paying for a handjob. So I don't screen for those activities. Also, I live in Bangkok, very close to both Nana Entertainment Plaza and Soi Cowboy, so I will almost always bring the girl back to my apartment instead of taking her to a nearby short time hotel. In my approach methods, that kind of matters.
1. You like me to pay bar for you?
- Yes, of course! Why not?
2. (a bit jokingly) But what we do in the room?
- haha. Anything you want. Up to you.
3. Up to me? That sounds great. I love "up to me" haha. You do good sa-moke?
- What?
Blowjob. You do good blowjob, finish good, cum in mouth everything, no condom?
- uh. Yeah, I can do for you.
4. Bonus question for some girls I have not seen naked on a go-go bar stage: You shave down there?
- Yes. I like that way.
For the most part, that is it. No more interview questions. Naturally, this also assumes I have been smitten by her to begin with. But I now know whether I want to take her or not. I don't ask any more questions about sex nor do I offer more information about what I want unless she brings up questions of her own regarding boom boom or other concerns. If her responses are notably less positive than the examples I gave above, I will probably just move on to another girl.
Here is why I ask those questions before making a decision. And it isn't because I want blowjobs so much. Of course, I love getting blow jobs. But the fact is I am quite partial to boom booming these girls and my boom boom-to-blowjob ratio is a nice 65%-to-35%, give or take 5% either way, that I am quite happy with, despite the fact that I do not ask any questions about doing boom boom during the interview unless she asks me about it directly. All I want to know at this early stage is what my ultimate bottom line, fall-back position is going to be with this girl if the boom boom conditions in the room do not pan out as I want and need them to pan out. Hence, the near exclusive focus on her willingness to deliver a real blowjob to a real blowjob finish.
I have found that to ask more specific questions about boom boom conditions and requirements in the bar in a first time encounter can be very misleading and unproductive. However, once we are in the room, once she has walked with me, gotten to know and love me, been charmed by my winning ways (hahaha), seen my living environment (modest, but always neat and clean for the ladies), seen me naked, now knows that I am neither filthy dirty, covered in open, oozing sores, nor big as a tall beer can in the willy department, her attitude about what she will or won't do with me will be quite different than anything she might blurt out during an initial meeting and interview in the bar. True, that could also apply to the blowjob question. But I like the idea that she knows she gave me a positive response to that option and does not feel pressured to do anything with regard to boom boom that we did not already discuss in the bar. In fact, we didn't discuss much about it at all in the bar. Any decision she makes on that count in the room will be because she chooses to do it far more than because she has somehow been forced to do it. Much better all around, IMO.
And, for my part, there are a multitude of reasons I might no longer be all that into boom booming her anyway after all the clothes are off, her private parts in all their outer and inner glory are known, unnoticed scars and bizarre piercings come into clearer view, her attitude and cooperation in the proceedings materializes, my interest either increases or wanes, etc. , etc. , etc.
So that is why, in the interview process, I generally only ask about her willingness to give a BBBJ with a CIM finish. I do it in order to establish an absolute minimum level of service I can expect IF the boom boom conditions I want and need are not agreeable to both of us. No big deal if they are not, because I happen to love BBBJ CIM! As it is, I still get plenty of great boom booms my way in the room using this approach. As I said, it is at a ratio of about 65% boom booms to 35% BBBJ CIM. I'm happy with it that way.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1730481]I'm not in a position to do a survey on how common it is, but I have a close friend who had this happen to him. Non-drinker, speaks some Thai, expat of few years, in other words, unlikely victim. I know the story as I lent him a bit of cash until he could get his cards sorted (she took away both cash and cards, but fortunately left his passport). This was a pick-up from Khao San Road, not the usual haunts. It's foolish to assume a drugging can't happen to you.[/QUOTE]Quite some years ago I was in a cafe there (now gone, called Prakorbs) and found myself quietly observing a scenario on one of the other tables. It was a very 'fresh' looking newbie who had been 'adopted' by three Thais. After years of travel and encountering all sorts of scams such as the friendly local duo befriending' young single male tourists to lure them into basement clubs in Taksim, to the honey pot Fillipino flattery scams trying to lure similar onto off shore gambling scams in which your spectacular loss was 'arranged', in Hong Kong, something just was not right with this picture on the other table on Kao San Rd. Call it a sixth sense that develops over time, along with hearing the sort of things they were saying to him. My solution was ultimately to hand him a discrete note on the way out, for him to consider a few things, and that if I'd got it wring then I apologise. To this day I don't know transpired afterwards, and if I completely misread things then the worst it did was to introduce a few awkward moments on the table. At the time I was willing for that to happen, rather than a scenario where thus very young newbie some up on day two of his big trip with nothing left but his underwear.
[QUOTE=Rqnxx;1743914]Just a general question about mongering, specific to Thailand, that I'd like to ask as I am quite new to this (been there once but kind of just jumped into it, but planning to go back). I've seen a few posts mentioning "interview questions" that you ask a bar girl or FL before deciding to pick her. Could some of the senior members please elaborate and maybe share some of these questions that they use to discern whether or not they want to pick a certain girl, and perhaps any other things they talk about before choosing a girl.
Thanks![/QUOTE]Brother EihTooms alredy gave you his take on this subject. Very enligthening, I must say.
The whole idea of the "interview" is - IMHO - to establish that the time you both spend together will not entirely be wasted.
The funny thing is that my questions are entirely different than those of Brother EihTooms.
To start with I must tell you that (1) I almost exclusively pick my girls from agogo clubs where the girls dance totally naked; such as in Suzie Wong; and (2) I have no special sexual wishes: covered boom-boom is a must of course but is never an issue and for the BJ department, I don't care whether it is bare or covered.
This both means that I rarely if ever get surprised when her clothes come off as I have already seen her in the buff and I never had a girl to live up to my minimal sexual requirements. No questions need to be asked to establish this.
So my interview is more to gauge her attitude: is she bubbly, speaks some decent English, does she like to cuddle, hug and kiss? I always go for LT, so the GFE aspect is important to me.
Therefore I do not have a fixed set of questions, it is more the whole "vibe" of the interview which decides it for me.
Perhaps the only really *pointed* question I ask is whether she likes her pussy licked? I'm a great fan of oral sex (both giving and taking). If she answers "yes" I probably have a winner on my hands. If she is doubtful, I'll tell her I will convince her of how good it is. If she is reluctant or makes a funny face, I'll probably think it over again and may look out for someone else.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1744422]Brother EihTooms alredy gave you his take on this subject. Very enligthening, I must say.
The whole idea of the "interview" is - IMHO - to establish that the time you both spend together will not entirely be wasted.
The funny thing is that my questions are entirely different than those of Brother EihTooms.
To start with I must tell you that (1) I almost exclusively pick my girls from agogo clubs where the girls dance totally naked; such as in Suzie Wong; and (2) I have no special sexual wishes: covered boom-boom is a must of course but is never an issue and for the BJ department, I don't care whether it is bare or covered.
This both means that I rarely if ever get surprised when her clothes come off as I have already seen her in the buff and I never had a girl to live up to my minimal sexual requirements. No questions need to be asked to establish this.
So my interview is more to gauge her attitude: is she bubbly, speaks some decent English, does she like to cuddle, hug and kiss? I always go for LT, so the GFE aspect is important to me.
Therefore I do not have a fixed set of questions, it is more the whole "vibe" of the interview which decides it for me.
Perhaps the only really *pointed* question I ask is whether she likes her pussy licked? I'm a great fan of oral sex (both giving and taking). If she answers "yes" I probably have a winner on my hands. If she is doubtful, I'll tell her I will convince her of how good it is. If she is reluctant or makes a funny face, I'll probably think it over again and may look out for someone else.[/QUOTE]Wolvenvacht,
I envy your ability to roll with ether a covered or uncovered BJ (I guess I am mostly thinking of BJ to Completion / BBBJ CIM). Truly. That would certainly increase my potential experiences, to include the girls who say in the bar that they only do covered BJs. But I just can't feel enough pleasure with a covered BJ, can only remember finishing with a covered BJ one time many years ago when I was in my early 20's. And even then I vowed not to endure it again. LOL.
I am totally with you on the "vibe" part. But I don't know of any interview questions that are helpful in that regard. Do you have some to suggest? For me, that part of it just sort of happens in the jokey, fun stage, before an interview question is even asked. Or it doesn't. And these days I don't scratch them off the list if they don't impress me that way immediately. Now I don't put too much stock in how they might come across right off the bat vs how they'll be once that bedroom door closes. I have been surprised both ways so often I no longer screen on that basis before deciding to pay a barfine. In fact, I will often see a major personality change, both good and bad, immediately after the barfine has been paid or the instant we walk out of the bar and onto the Soi.
Also, as you see in my post, like you, I am a big fan of DATY. I used to ask the question you ask and think your follow up comments to the lady are great! But the reason I stopped routinely asking that question is because there are so many girls who have apparently had horrible experiences with slobbering, drooling messes from guys in that regard, and many of them tensed up by my asking about it on the fear that such is my style as well. In some cases, I could even sense a change of heart on their part about going with me at all because of it. There must be some horrible slobbering, drooling DATY fiends out there! LOL. However, the slobbering, drooling mess is not my style. Of course a first time girl has no way of knowing that. Naturally, I will make the moves in that direction when we are alone. And, as you probably have experienced as well, it is the extremely rare lady who does not enjoy a good pussy eating by a man who really enjoys and likes to savor every second of it right to the shattering finish. Again and again and again.
That's when it is often more their idea than mine to covert the agreed upon Short Time into a Long Time. And the "I'll come to you again on my day off, you no pay barfine or Lady Drink, OK?" offer, right? 555.
Wolvenvacht and EihTooms, great stuff and thank you for taking the time to reply. Definitely helps me out and gives me a better idea of the kind of stuff to ask about before deciding on a girl.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;1744462]
I am totally with you on the "vibe" part. But I don't know of any interview questions that are helpful in that regard. Do you have some to suggest? For me, that part of it just sort of happens in the jokey, fun stage, before an interview question is even asked.[/QUOTE]I don't have any specific questions and indeed getting a "feel" of how she rolls, happens during the whole of the talk with her. Once I feel she is OK, I may ask her a few more pointed questions, but by that stage my mind is already almost made up. So indeed, it is not a matter of specific questions, but rather a "gut feeling" and my feeling has rarely if ever done me wrong. Maybe I'm just a lucky guy, or I'm blessed or have good karma, but the dreaded starfish or even worse "upsell" girl seem to have missed me. The only upsells I've had were conversions from ST into LT, and those I don't mind!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;1744462]Also, as you see in my post, like you, I am a big fan of DATY. I used to ask the question you ask and think your follow up comments to the lady are great! But the reason I stopped routinely asking that question is because there are so many girls who have apparently had horrible experiences with slobbering, drooling messes from guys in that regard, and many of them tensed up by my asking about it on the fear that such is my style as well.[/QUOTE]Oh yes, I'm a big DATY fan. Of course, you have to ask the question in quite a subtle way. Many Thai girls, even those on The Game are sexually far less adventurous than one generally assumes. In their mind, bringing your head (the most important part of your body) close to their pussy, somehow doesn't really chime with their ingrained ideas of what is "proper".
Hey fellas,
First off, I appreciate all the info that is shared on this forum. It's great. I've booked a vacation for the last 3 weeks in December of this year to Thailand, flying out of BKK to end my trip a few days after the new year. I've RTFF in the Bangkok, Phuket and Koh Samui threads all the posts dating back a year but I have the following questions:
1) Since it is high season, would it be advised that I book my hotel lodging in advance? I don't want 5 star but don't want to stay in a hostel. I've read that hotels are pretty easy to get and you can usually get a place same day, but since its high season what are the chances I'll be shut out?
2) Most of the reports I've read I assume (correct me if I'm wrong) are from Caucasian mongers. I'm an american born Chinese but I can speak and understand Thai enough to get around. When I go into the high tourist monger areas will I stand out or be ignored? I only ask because I was in Shanghai not too long ago at Manhattan and Judy's bar (pickup bars) and most of the ladies were Vietnamese and most of the mongers were white. I was passed up by many of the girls and many of them didn't even make eye contact with me because I was Asian. I asked one of the ladies that I did pick up and she told me what I had suspected, that since I was Asian she didn't think I was a monger at that bar.
3) I'm probably going to spend a week each in Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket and if any members want to meet up that would be great. I plan on trying many non-mongering activities and sometimes some company for those are fun such as diving and so forth.
4) How busy is high season and do the rates for girls go up? Even for the freelancers, gogos and massage girls?
Thanks in advance and I look forward to reporting my experience.
Moss.
Stay safe.
[QUOTE=Moss734;1745979]Hey fellas,
First off, I appreciate all the info that is shared on this forum. It's great. I've booked a vacation for the last 3 weeks in December of this year to Thailand, flying out of BKK to end my trip a few days after the new year. I've RTFF in the Bangkok, Phuket and Koh Samui threads all the posts dating back a year but I have the following questions:
1) Since it is high season, would it be advised that I book my hotel lodging in advance? I don't want 5 star but don't want to stay in a hostel. I've read that hotels are pretty easy to get and you can usually get a place same day, but since its high season what are the chances I'll be shut out?
2) Most of the reports I've read I assume (correct me if I'm wrong) are from Caucasian mongers. I'm an american born Chinese but I can speak and understand Thai enough to get around. When I go into the high tourist monger areas will I stand out or be ignored? I only ask because I was in Shanghai not too long ago at Manhattan and Judy's bar (pickup bars) and most of the ladies were Vietnamese and most of the mongers were white. I was passed up by many of the girls and many of them didn't even make eye contact with me because I was Asian. I asked one of the ladies that I did pick up and she told me what I had suspected, that since I was Asian she didn't think I was a monger at that bar.
3) I'm probably going to spend a week each in Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket and if any members want to meet up that would be great. I plan on trying many non-mongering activities and sometimes some company for those are fun such as diving and so forth.
4) How busy is high season and do the rates for girls go up? Even for the freelancers, gogos and massage girls?
Thanks in advance and I look forward to reporting my experience.
Moss.
Stay safe.[/QUOTE]1. Yes book in advance. You can always look for another one and book it before you check out of the one you are in.
2. You will be fine. Just look at these girls with that gleam in your eyes.
3. Post it on Travel Announcements Only thread
4. Read the threads.
[QUOTE=Moss734;1745979] I'm an american born Chinese but I can speak and understand Thai enough to get around. When I go into the high tourist monger areas will I stand out or be ignored? I only ask because I was in Shanghai not too long ago at Manhattan and Judy's bar (pickup bars) and most of the ladies were Vietnamese and most of the mongers were white. I was passed up by many of the girls and many of them didn't even make eye contact with me because I was Asian. I asked one of the ladies that I did pick up and she told me what I had suspected, that since I was Asian she didn't think I was a monger at that bar.[/QUOTE]If you can speak Thai you have a huge advantage over mongers who do not. I am trying to learn Thai only for this reason.
[QUOTE=Moss734;1745979] I'm an american born Chinese but I can speak and understand Thai enough to get around.
[/QUOTE]First, most of the working girls will think you're japanese and try to charge more, LOL. Seriously speaking, LOS is chock of Asian mongers including yours truly. The fact you are semi-fluent in Thai will work in your favor. You'll have a blast, just RTFF and do some prep work.
The Thailand threads are chock full of info. There are a few guys who write exceptionally informative and entertaining field reports; you'll know who they are if you do your homework.
And become a paid subscriber, then you'll have access to PM function and can ask the experts specific questions off-line.
Hi all,
First off I want to thank everyone for their posts that I have helped me in my trips. I don't post a lot here but have in the past, and while I haven't posted my report, it's mainly cause time passed to the extent that I wasn't sure if it would be helpful or up to date. But, that said, for those going to Eastern Europe, a few words of advice. If you haven't found what you're looking for, you're not looking hard enough. Keep your wits about you and you'll be safe and just be smart enough to avoid trouble. Lastly, when it comes to Eastern Europe, you're most likely getting a better deal than you can in the states, and if you aren't, you're thinking with the wrong head.
Now on to my question.
I've read the Thailand threads and have done a search but my specific questions don't seem to be answered. So here goes. I'm a scuba diver and a fan of the laid back, easy going attitude where things shouldn't have to be rushed in hour increments. I much prefer the LT rendezvous. Where in Thailand can one spend some time by the shore and scuba dive while enjoying some fun time in the evening or off days? I've checked out the kao tai thread and it wasn't very helpful in satisfying my curiosity on the evening end. Please keep in mind that I'm targeting good diving, not just some dunk in the water to say I did it.
I've heard that Thailand is the sort of place where one can find a partner to hangout and spend the day / evening or evening / day with for a relatively inexpensive sum? Is this true and is it possible to find in the beach areas?
Lastly, when doing these excursions (remember, I'm interested in beach / scuba diving / fun times) is an air bnb accommodation better or should one just pick a resort and either hope guests are allowed or sneak one in with a tip to the security guard?
Thank for all the help.
[QUOTE=ReggieBush;1747545]Hi all,
*snip* Where in Thailand can one spend some time by the shore and scuba dive while enjoying some fun time in the evening or off days? I've checked out the kao tai thread and it wasn't very helpful in satisfying my curiosity on the evening end. Please keep in mind that I'm targeting good diving, not just some dunk in the water to say I did it. *snip*Thank for all the help.[/QUOTE]Hi Reggie. If you are truly targeting good diving, you need to use Thai live-aboards, and that experience precludes nightlife at Phuket or wherever. I have a serious amount of diving history in a lot of different oceans, and I won't do the day trips in Thailand anymore. (Well, unless I'm really in need of a dive.) You can have one or the other, not both. TTG.
[QUOTE=ReggieBush;1747545]Lastly, when doing these excursions (remember, I'm interested in beach / scuba diving / fun times) is an air bnb accommodation better or should one just pick a resort and either hope guests are allowed or sneak one in with a tip to the security guard?
Thank for all the help.[/QUOTE]Having a guest (joiners) is a pretty common occurrence in Thailand and [I]most[/I] hotels will be ok with it. Some properties have qualifiers for [I]gratis[/I] joiners like only one at a time, or only Thai nationals. If you have any questions just email the hotel and ask about their policy.
SunLover.
[QUOTE=ReggieBush;1747545]I've read the Thailand threads and have done a search but my specific questions don't seem to be answered. So here goes. I'm a scuba diver and a fan of the laid back, easy going attitude where things shouldn't have to be rushed in hour increments. I much prefer the LT rendezvous. Where in Thailand can one spend some time by the shore and scuba dive while enjoying some fun time in the evening or off days? I've checked out the kao tai thread and it wasn't very helpful in satisfying my curiosity on the evening end. Please keep in mind that I'm targeting good diving, not just some dunk in the water to say I did it.
I've heard that Thailand is the sort of place where one can find a partner to hangout and spend the day / evening or evening / day with for a relatively inexpensive sum? Is this true and is it possible to find in the beach areas?
Lastly, when doing these excursions (remember, I'm interested in beach / scuba diving / fun times) is an air bnb accommodation better or should one just pick a resort and either hope guests are allowed or sneak one in with a tip to the security guard?
Thank for all the help.[/QUOTE]Well being a fan of a football team that resides in rural Indiana I am not sure I should help someone with the poster name of Reggie Bush.
I don't know much about diving per se, but just outside of Phuket there are homes on the shore you can rent that might have access to good diving. The great thing about Thailand, is that anything and everything is possible if you are creative and resourceful. I personally don't like Phuket much, but the surrounding areas are great. As far as finding a lady, you could a) get on the dating websites (E. G, [URL]www.thaicupid.com[/URL]) and get to know in some in Phuket who would be happy to spend time with you if you are polite, etc. Finding ladies in Thailand to spend time with you when you arrive is very easy. B) you could just wander around Phuket and meet ladies, such as bargirls or MP girls, who would be happy to take time off and spend time with you if you are polite and treat them well; of c) Just hire women for the day out of escort agencies in Phuket (google). I would recommend a) then b) then c) if all else fails.
[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1747600]Hi Reggie. If you are truly targeting good diving, you need to use Thai live-aboards, and that experience precludes nightlife at Phuket or wherever. I have a serious amount of diving history in a lot of different oceans, and I won't do the day trips in Thailand anymore. (Well, unless I'm really in need of a dive.) You can have one or the other, not both. TTG.[/QUOTE]I second that. I am a master scuba diver and have been living in Pattaya 5 years. I have been diving in Pattaya, Phuket, and Krabi. I wouldn't waste time on them. I'm am going to check out Koh Tao in September. I hear that may be better. But your best bet as Tim said is a live aboard. Frankly, I was in the Navy and do not want to be out for days on end just for diving. I like my diving in the day and my shore time at night. Like Tim also said, you have to chose between one or the other. I have regular chicks that I usually take with me when I go on diving trips. Unfortunately at the end of last year I broke up with my Thai girlfriend who was also a diver; and those are hard to come by.
I agree with what has been posted so far. I did a bunch of research a few years ago and looked recently again and the day diving options in thailand that also have nightlife are not very good. The day diving out of phuket is really out by the phi phi islands and is ok, but not great.
Liveaboard is definitely the way to go. I dove on the Andaman Queen a few years ago and really enjoyed it if you decide to go that route. I don't know about taking a girl with you as you are out of cell range most of the time so if she doesn't dive it's going to be pretty boring for her. I have a thai girl I have been seeing on each visit for a few years and it would be great to take her out on the boat, but I really think she would be stir crazy and not in the good way!
If you do decide to stay on shore then my research, and a friend's recommendation, came up with sea bees as the best option out of phuket for comfort and diving during the day.
Also I can confirm that most places around patong are GF, but many do charge a joiner fee so be sure to ask about that ahead of time.
As a avid diver myself I am always looking for options with "nightlife" and diving. Did puerto galera last year in the Philippines and had a great time. Good diving and nice set of bars and girls as well.
[QUOTE=ReggieBush;1747545]Hi all,
First off I want to thank everyone for their posts that I have helped me in my trips. I don't post a lot here but have in the past, and while I haven't posted my report, it's mainly cause time passed to the extent that I wasn't sure if it would be helpful or up to date. But, that said, for those going to Eastern Europe, a few words of advice. If you haven't found what you're looking for, you're not looking hard enough. Keep your wits about you and you'll be safe and just be smart enough to avoid trouble. Lastly, when it comes to Eastern Europe, you're most likely getting a better deal than you can in the states, and if you aren't, you're thinking with the wrong head.
Now on to my question.
I've read the Thailand threads and have done a search but my specific questions don't seem to be answered. So here goes. I'm a scuba diver and a fan of the laid back, easy going attitude where things shouldn't have to be rushed in hour increments. I much prefer the LT rendezvous. Where in Thailand can one spend some time by the shore and scuba dive while enjoying some fun time in the evening or off days? I've checked out the kao tai thread and it wasn't very helpful in satisfying my curiosity on the evening end. Please keep in mind that I'm targeting good diving, not just some dunk in the water to say I did it.
I've heard that Thailand is the sort of place where one can find a partner to hangout and spend the day / evening or evening / day with for a relatively inexpensive sum? Is this true and is it possible to find in the beach areas?
Lastly, when doing these excursions (remember, I'm interested in beach / scuba diving / fun times) is an air bnb accommodation better or should one just pick a resort and either hope guests are allowed or sneak one in with a tip to the security guard?
Thank for all the help.[/QUOTE]
Thank you TTG, Mr. E, MSam, and J101, I appreciate the input each of provided.
That said, I've never done a live aboard, and I plan to do one at some point. I completely get the allure of spending a week on a boat with nothing but sailing and diving. But, the night fun activities, and the opportunity to spend a night / day or day / night with some companion on the off days (assuming it's affordable? Suggests that I'd have to do all my diving from an outfit on shore.
Leaving out good / safe / knowledgeable / and safe again dive operators from shore, what part (s) of Thailand would you recommend I plan for? If having good non-live aboard diving means staying on an island, is there an island where it's not too difficult to find some fun companionship. Preferably with a selection depending on my mood in the evening. I don't want to get stuck with someone just cause she's the only one around.
And since we're still talking about shore destination options, I'll ask again, airbnb? Any reason not to go with that? It seems there's plenty of airbnb options safe and near the water at less than 30 that seem nice and clean.
Thanks again.
The liveaboards out of phuket do shorter trips than a full week,4-5 nights, some maybe 3. Just FYI.
For thailand shore definitely Phuket. Has the 3rd largest scene for finding companionship after Bangkok and Pattaya.
Can't say about airBNB. But if you are going to be in Phuket you want to be close to Patong for the entertainment and since you would be bringing back different friends probably easier to have the hotel. An inexpensive but decent place is livingstons lodge. Not fancy but close to the action and cheep. Get a room with a window though. The windowless ones feel a bit too much like a cave for my taste.
[QUOTE=ReggieBush;1748884]Thank you TTG, Mr. E, MSam, and J101, I appreciate the input each of provided.
That said, I've never done a live aboard, and I plan to do one at some point. I completely get the allure of spending a week on a boat with nothing but sailing and diving. But, the night fun activities, and the opportunity to spend a night / day or day / night with some companion on the off days (assuming it's affordable? Suggests that I'd have to do all my diving from an outfit on shore.
Leaving out good / safe / knowledgeable / and safe again dive operators from shore, what part (s) of Thailand would you recommend I plan for? If having good non-live aboard diving means staying on an island, is there an island where it's not too difficult to find some fun companionship. Preferably with a selection depending on my mood in the evening. I don't want to get stuck with someone just cause she's the only one around.
And since we're still talking about shore destination options, I'll ask again, airbnb? Any reason not to go with that? It seems there's plenty of airbnb options safe and near the water at less than 30 that seem nice and clean.
Thanks again.[/QUOTE]
The USD hit 34.43 against the THB this morning and appears to have the momentum to continue the gains. It's the highest level since 2009! Lining up nicely as I am planning an October trip. Cross fingers that it continues.
While I don't follow the other currency crosses as closely is appears the THB have been weaker recently against other major currencies (GBP, EUR, AUD) but still stronger against multi-year historic levels.
Any comments or insights appreciated.
SunLover.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1749136]The USD hit 34.43 against the THB this morning and appears to have the momentum to continue the gains. It's the highest level since 2009! Lining up nicely as I am planning an October trip. Cross fingers that it continues.
While I don't follow the other currency crosses as closely is appears the THB have been weaker recently against other major currencies (GBP, EUR, AUD) but still stronger against multi-year historic levels.
Any comments or insights appreciated.
SunLover.[/QUOTE]To SunLover.
You should be here back in 2000 when Bht drop all the way to 48 Bht to a dollar, I was buying gold from Chinatown back in the days when gold is cheap also just wish I have buy more, the usd have been strong the last few yr again most currency not just the BHT.
Fast eddie 48.
Thanks Eddie. Back at the turn of the century I was punting in the Netherlands and enjoying the last of the strong USD / Dutch guilder cross which slowly went to shite with the introduction of the euro. I remember in 2002 when a 100 guilder session became 50 euros; and while it became 10% more expensive for the customers, the ladies openly resented the fact that they were only getting '50' instead of '100' regardless of the intrinsic value.
Those must have been great times with exchange rates 50% stronger and prices (possibly) 50% cheaper. Not really expecting anything close to that these days just hoping to identify and understand some of the basic macro economic trends.
SL.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1730481]I'm not in a position to do a survey on how common it is, but I have a close friend who had this happen to him. Non-drinker, speaks some Thai, expat of few years, in other words, unlikely victim. I know the story as I lent him a bit of cash until he could get his cards sorted (she took away both cash and cards, but fortunately left his passport). This was a pick-up from Khao San Road, not the usual haunts. It's foolish to assume a drugging can't happen to you.[/QUOTE]It happened to me several years ago a few days before I was supposed to leave Thailand for my next job. It wasn't a spiked drink it was in food and it wasn't a working girl it was a pair of women that befriended me at Chatuchak market on a Sunday afternoon.
These two scammers had been walking around beside me and just started up a conversation. I didn't think anything of it. One was mildly attractive, the other big and fat like a typical Thai aunty. I had no desire for anything sexual I was just being friendly considering I was leaving. They were about to have a late lunch at a restaurant beside the market and invited me along. After we ordered, one disappeared into the bathroom for a while. When the rice came back I noticed she mixed it up very well. I didn't think anything of it. She gave me a spoonful which I ate. Having lived in Asia sharing food is common so I didn't refuse. It was a fateful error!
Next thing I remember, I woke up in my apartment with my laptop, hard drive, watch, and money gone. They left my ATM card and my passport was at the embassy. Security footage from my apartment showed them leading me up the stairs. I looked really out of it. Drunk - with my eyes open. They told security I was drunk and they were helping me. Really helping themselves to my stuff.
So lads, it ain't just in drinks and it ain't just working girls.
Be vigilant regarding the kindness of Thai women.
I just caught wind of the draconian law the military government is passing on the sale & consumption of alcohol in Bangkok. Under the law no person shall sell alcohol beverages within 300 meters from the boundary line of tertiary education institution and vocational institution.
I think this is a ridiculous move. Imagine going to Hard Rock Cafe or to any bar in Cowboy and not be able to order a drink! Preposterous. I wonder where people get these shitty ideas from. Do they spare a thought to what might happen to the already fragile Thai economy? What do you call a bar that does not sell alcohol anyway?
Will this get extended to other destinations like Pattaya? Is this the beginning of the end for our beloved LOS.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1750838]I just caught wind of the draconian law the military government is passing on the sale & consumption of alcohol in Bangkok. Under the law no person shall sell alcohol beverages within 300 meters from the boundary line of tertiary education institution and vocational institution.[/QUOTE]If true, it gives a whole new meaning to the word "bar-fine".
Or perhaps they will, in typical Thainess, forbid schools to open within 300m of a pub.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1750838]Under the law no person shall sell alcohol beverages within 300 meters from the boundary line of tertiary education institution and vocational institution.[/QUOTE]Tertiary and vocational education? So universities and the like? That narrows it down quite a bit.
Seems to resemble a law in Holland that forbids coffeeshops (that sell soft drugs) within 350 meters of a school.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1750978]
Or perhaps they will, in typical Thainess, forbid schools to open within 300m of a pub.[/QUOTE]Or they close existing schools that are within 300 mtr of a pub!
Are there many bars discussed on this forum that will be affected by this rule?
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1751253]Are there many bars discussed on this forum that will be affected by this rule?[/QUOTE]There is a University at the end of Soi 23, but I think it is at least 500 m away (or even more) from Soi Cowboy.
Nana and the whole of lower Sukhumvit, including the side-sois, seem OK as well.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1751250]Or they close existing schools that are within 300 mtr of a pub![/QUOTE]And then the schools will be asked to contribute to the local policemen's pension fund. 55555.
Better hurry guys!
[URL]http://www.weather.com/news/weather/video/bangkok-could-be-underwater-in-15-years[/URL]
Is this the beginning of an exodus?
[URL]http://blogs.barrons.com/asiastocks/2015/07/30/foreigners-rush-out-of-indonesia-malaysia-and-thailand-korea-taiwan-next/?mod=yahoobarrons&ru=yahoo[/URL]
[QUOTE=Turgid;1753947]Is this the beginning of an exodus?
[URL]http://blogs.barrons.com/asiastocks/2015/07/30/foreigners-rush-out-of-indonesia-malaysia-and-thailand-korea-taiwan-next/?mod=yahoobarrons&ru=yahoo[/URL][/QUOTE]30 days ago $1 bought 32 Baht, today the exchange rate hit 35 Baht and money will continue to leave until currencies stop falling against the US dollar.
[QUOTE=Turgid;1753947]Is this the beginning of an exodus?
[URL]http://blogs.barrons.com/asiastocks/2015/07/30/foreigners-rush-out-of-indonesia-malaysia-and-thailand-korea-taiwan-next/?mod=yahoobarrons&ru=yahoo[/URL][/QUOTE]If there are two things we have learned from all the past financial crises, it is that the buyers and sellers on the stock market act without rhyme or reason and that financial analysts have no better track record than "Madame Soleil" in predicting the future.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1754109]If there are two things we have learned from all the past financial crises, it is that the buyers and sellers on the stock market act without rhyme or reason and that financial analysts have no better track record than "Madame Soleil" in predicting the future.[/QUOTE]The value of the Baht keeps slowly falling and financial analysts will tell you it will continue to slowly fall. Why? Because it has been falling (pretty simple analysis). And the Baht will keep falling until it stops falling (once again pretty simplistic logic). Currencies typically trade in a tight range or trade in a upward or downward trend. Now, the Baht is in a slow downward trend against the US dollar.
[QUOTE=Conan23;1754162]The value of the Baht keeps slowly falling and financial analysts will tell you it will continue to slowly fall. Why? Because it has been falling (pretty simple analysis). And the Baht will keep falling until it stops falling (once again pretty simplistic logic). Currencies typically trade in a tight range or trade in a upward or downward trend. Now, the Baht is in a slow downward trend against the US dollar.[/QUOTE]Brilliant analysis. You must be a financial analysis wizard. The Baht keeps falling because it is falling. Egad! Why didn't I think of that?
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1754109]If there are two things we have learned from all the past financial crises, it is that the buyers and sellers on the stock market act without rhyme or reason and that financial analysts have no better track record than "Madame Soleil" in predicting the future.[/QUOTE]If someone could acurately predict what is going to happen on the currency market then everyone would be rich.
I'm an Asian-American male, Korean to be specific. Will I have any issues in Thailand? I ask this because it seems that most of the clientele is white.
[QUOTE=NickS;1754921]I'm an Asian-American male, Korean to be specific. Will I have any issues in Thailand? I ask this because it seems that most of the clientele is white.[/QUOTE]I am not sure what you mean by "issues". IMHO the most favored clients and favored men of non-P4P Thai ladies are the Japanese. White guys are No. 2. You should be fine.
[QUOTE=NickS;1754921]I'm an Asian-American male, Korean to be specific. Will I have any issues in Thailand? I ask this because it seems that most of the clientele is white.[/QUOTE]Thai girls love Japanese and Koreans. If you're presentable and well-behaved, you might find yourself more popular with the girls than most white mongers. Less discrimination as well (no Farang surcharge in Rachada massage parlors).
Overall in Thailand it is NOT true that most of the clientele is white. Each group has their preferred venues, although most venues welcome everyone (with minor exceptions, like Soi Thaniya clubs catering to Japanese only).
Naturally, most clients are Thai (by far), but there are plenty of other Asians, predominantly (but not only) Japanese. East Asians generally venues like soapy massage parlors, the Thermae. While whites prefer agogo / beer bars.
[QUOTE=NickS;1754921]I'm an Asian-American male, Korean to be specific. Will I have any issues in Thailand? I ask this because it seems that most of the clientele is white.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1755433]Thai girls love Japanese and Koreans. [/QUOTE]Yes, the girls love Japanese and Koreans. But Nick is Asian-American so unless he's able to hide that fact (by speaking Korean and pretending not to speak English very well) he will be treated as a farang I think. So some girls will love him a little bit less.
Nevertheless you can have a good time Nick, that should not be a problem.
[QUOTE=NickS;1754921]I'm an Asian-American male, Korean to be specific. Will I have any issues in Thailand? I ask this because it seems that most of the clientele is white.[/QUOTE]I agree with Nick. I think Asian_american should be very popular. You will be favored and I have to put up with being lower down the priority order. Of course girls won't like it if you want to pay less than the real Koreans. I believe that Koreans could well be the most popular of all Asians. Coming from the US and Korean influence, it will be expected that you have very good manners, and Thai girls definitely like males with classy well mannered behavior.
In addition, at many Soapies you will not incur the Farang surcharge I believe so you get the girl cheaper than I do in those Soapy Massage places. It is possible that American accent could spoil chance of escaping the surcharge, I am not totally sure. T1234 could certainly clear up that issue, even if he does not have an American accent, I believe he would know.
I think Crocodile exaggerates a little. Asian customers may prefer Soapies (more so than Farangs) but there are still heaps of East Asians in the Oilies and bars.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1751257]There is a University at the end of Soi 23, but I think it is at least 500 m away (or even more) from Soi Cowboy.
Nana and the whole of lower Sukhumvit, including the side-sois, seem OK as well.[/QUOTE]The Khlong Saen Saep side of the SriNakharin University is less than 300 metres from La Belle Soapy (ex Mona Lisa). Easy to walk cross footbridge over the Khlong. Is that a problem? Alcoholic drinks are available inside naturally, as well as other illicit activities.
By normal roads in a taxi, it would be more than 300 metres. However by walking less than 300 metres.
Gents,
I'm coming to BKK in a few days. I'm staying at the Amari Watergate Bangkok in the Pratunam neighborhood. Is there any early morning, say 6 am - 9 am, activities around the hotel? Or other places in Shuk area?
Thanks a million in advance.
[QUOTE=Ace8888;1755770]Gents,
I'm coming to BKK in a few days. I'm staying at the Amari Watergate Bangkok in the Pratunam neighborhood. Is there any early morning, say 6 am - 9 am, activities around the hotel? Or other places in Shuk area?
Thanks a million in advance.[/QUOTE]You can take a brisk walk to and around the Pratunam market and little India.
[QUOTE=Ace8888;1755770]I'm coming to BKK in a few days. I'm staying at the Amari Watergate Bangkok in the Pratunam neighborhood. Is there any early morning, say 6 am - 9 am, activities around the hotel?[/QUOTE]Is Amari considered guest friendly? If so, ask the bellboy when he brings your luggage to your room if he can arrange a massage in your room for you. On my first trip to Thailand, years ago I stayed in Manhattan Hotel. Got a cute little massage girl delivered within 30 minutes.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1755667]I believe that Koreans could well be the most popular of all Asians[/QUOTE]The feedback I got from a trusted regular at an oily is that Koreans, especially those living in Bangkok, were often rough with the girls, pounding them relentlessly for the full two hours. The American accent should be a plus in this case.
An interesting if non-Korean related tidbit: she told me one of her friends had her sillies redone 3 x after rupturing due to rough treatment, and that 80% of the girls at her parlor sported them. Please be nice to the girls!
Also was told about the same resident Koreans pulling runners after the deed from a Rainbow 4 regular (mamasan was trying to charge them upfront); it may slowly drift towards a situation similar to the Philippines, where Koreans were very welcome 20 years ago, much less so nowadays, as the dregs of Korean society take advantage of easy immigration laws (90 days visa-free in Thailand) to start a new life there.
I recall at some point when things were better between Japan and Korea, Japanese housewives were visiting Seoul to get an energetic lay from a local lad, as their perception was that they all had toned bodies due to compulsory military service. The current complaints about the large proportion of 'herbivore' men in Japan probably give some credence to this.
That said, modern Korean culture is very popular among Thai youth, and Korean tourists well-received. Like the Japanese, they have all the desired attributes of lighter skin, Asian-ness, a more advanced, homegrown economy, and less boorish behavior than the mainland Chinese. Plus, the in look seems to be the Korean starlet one, as witnessed by the ever lighter hair and pointier noses.
[QUOTE=Brandt;1755971]The feedback I got from a trusted regular at an oily is that Koreans, especially those living in Bangkok, were often rough with the girls, pounding them relentlessly for the full two hours. The American accent should be a plus in this case.
An interesting if non-Korean related tidbit: she told me one of her friends had her sillies redone 3 x after rupturing due to rough treatment, and that 80% of the girls at her parlor sported them. Please be nice to the girls!
Also was told about the same resident Koreans pulling runners after the deed from a Rainbow 4 regular (mamasan was trying to charge them upfront); it may slowly drift towards a situation similar to the Philippines, where Koreans were very welcome 20 years ago, much less so nowadays, as the dregs of Korean society take advantage of easy immigration laws (90 days visa-free in Thailand) to start a new life there.
I recall at some point when things were better between Japan and Korea, Japanese housewives were visiting Seoul to get an energetic lay from a local lad, as their perception was that they all had toned bodies due to compulsory military service. The current complaints about the large proportion of 'herbivore' men in Japan probably give some credence to this.
That said, modern Korean culture is very popular among Thai youth, and Korean tourists well-received. Like the Japanese, they have all the desired attributes of lighter skin, Asian-ness, a more advanced, homegrown economy, and less boorish behavior than the mainland Chinese. Plus, the in look seems to be the Korean starlet one, as witnessed by the ever lighter hair and pointier noses.[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the replies guys. I'm about as American as an Asian can be. I don't even speak Korean, so I won't try to pretend I'm not from America. I'm pretty excited about my upcoming inaugural trip. I land in BKK at 11 PM. Where should I go first?
[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1748032]... a avid diver myself I am always looking for options with "nightlife" and diving. (I) Did puerto galera last year in the Philippines and had a great time. Good diving and nice set of bars and girls as well.[/QUOTE]I'm also an experienced diver. What was the "right amount of time" for you in Puerto Galera? If you could have stayed as long as you wished? Is Big Apple for diving and staying OK from what you saw?
I'd also head up to Subic Bay as well, with a stop in Angeles City. From what I've read, the combo of diving and nightlife at P. G. Is probably as good as I'll find anywhere. I know that I prefer variety and won't want a 'cling on" while I'm there.
[QUOTE=NickS;1756405] I'm pretty excited about my upcoming inaugural trip. I land in BKK at 11 PM. Where should I go first?[/QUOTE]To your hotel to get a good night's rest and be fit for the rest of your trip.
Then the next day, you can start easy with a massage (and some "happy ending") to loosen up your muscles. Walk around a bit to get a feel for the place, find a nice place for dinner and then explore the agogo clubs in Soi Cowboy or Nana to find a LT companion.
Hi guys, I've never posted anything on this forum previously though I have posted a lot in the european and Dubai forums.
Planning a trip to Thailand in the next couple of months and after 4 days in Bangkok I plan heading to one of the Thai Islands. Wend to Phuket a few years ago now. Can I ask any of the senior members of this forum to give me a quick heads up on the best 2 or 3 locations outside of BKK in Thailand for mongering? I appreciate that eveybody's tastes vary, but would be good to know if there are destinations to definitely avoid and others where it would be well worth visiting. Would appreciate any feedback. Thanks.
[QUOTE=NickS;1756405]Thanks for all the replies guys. I'm about as American as an Asian can be. I don't even speak Korean, so I won't try to pretend I'm not from America. I'm pretty excited about my upcoming inaugural trip. I land in BKK at 11 PM. Where should I go first?[/QUOTE]I'm also an Asian-American that will be in Bangkok at the same time. Send me a PM if you want a wing man for the trip.
[QUOTE=NickS;1756405]Thanks for all the replies guys. I'm about as American as an Asian can be. I don't even speak Korean, so I won't try to pretend I'm not from America. I'm pretty excited about my upcoming inaugural trip. I land in BKK at 11 PM. Where should I go first?[/QUOTE]First, whereabouts are you staying? How long to you plan to be in BKK? And what sorts of horizontal activities do you prefer? Some like BJ, others like to hang out with the girls, others like to watch the dancers, others like massage. What floats your boat? Give us a bit more info and we can give you some good pointers.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1756970]First, whereabouts are you staying? How long to you plan to be in BKK? And what sorts of horizontal activities do you prefer? Some like BJ, others like to hang out with the girls, others like to watch the dancers, others like massage. What floats your boat? Give us a bit more info and we can give you some good pointers.[/QUOTE]I'm still looking at hotels, but I plan to stay on Sukhumvit. I plan to be in BKK for a few weeks. As far as horizontal activities, I plan to try a little bit of everything as this will be my first time in Bangkok.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1756970]First, whereabouts are you staying? How long to you plan to be in BKK? And what sorts of horizontal activities do you prefer? Some like BJ, others like to hang out with the girls, others like to watch the dancers, others like massage. What floats your boat? Give us a bit more info and we can give you some good pointers.[/QUOTE]I like visiting Dr. BJs Salon. It's a hoot. The thing I like is a lot of those girls really know their trade.
[QUOTE=NickS;1756976]I'm still looking at hotels, but I plan to stay on Sukhumvit. I plan to be in BKK for a few weeks. As far as horizontal activities, I plan to try a little bit of everything as this will be my first time in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]In that case, just start slowly. You don't have to do it all in two days. I'd start with some beer bars, then work into a couple of go-gos. Definitely will want to do a massage or two.
Frankly, I'd reconsider a few weeks in BKK. It's fun and interesting, and there are loads of interesting things to do and see. But it's a very crowded, polluted city. The lower Sukhumvit area, aka Farang Gulch, is a rather small area, relatively speaking. I know that I would get incredibly bored staying in that area for a few weeks. The first two would be a lot like living in Disneyland. But, objectively, if you've seen one go-go bar you've pretty much seen them all. Everybody has their favorite, but that's often because a certain girl works there, they like the manager, etc. Some have been able to differentiate themselves from the pack, others not so much. Bar beers are a great way to relax in an open-air setting, shoot the shit with the girls, and find some diamonds. But, again, they're much of a muchness. I'm absolutely not trying to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in your Cheerios. You'll have loads of fun, it's just that shuttling between Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy for several weeks may get a bit dull, incredible as that may sound.
Consider taking some time to visit places outside of BKK. For hardcore sleaze Pattaya is the obvious choice. The Kanachanaburi area is very scenic. Sukhothai has some interesting ruins and a relaxed atmosphere. It may not be as easy as it used to be, but with a bit of work you should be able to find an accommodating lady to accompany you to these areas and show you around a bit. If the purpose of your trip is to see how many girls you can bang in a given number of days, then this approach won't work for you because you'll be tied up for a while with one lady. Spending your time in lower Suk would be better. However, for interesting experiences that are often relatively inaccessible to farang (especially noobs) then hanging out for a few days with somebody who knows the area and speaks the language can't be beat.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1757238]In that case, just start slowly. ............... It may not be as easy as it used to be, but with a bit of work you should be able to find an accommodating lady to accompany you to these areas and show you around a bit. If the purpose of your trip is to see how many girls you can bang in a given number of days, then this approach won't work for you because you'll be tied up for a while with one lady. Spending your time in lower Suk would be better. However, for interesting experiences that are often relatively inaccessible to farang (especially noobs) then hanging out for a few days with somebody who knows the area and speaks the language can't be beat.[/QUOTE]My thoughts exactly. I got bored with seeing 20+ statues of Buddha in a few days. They are nice but so many? I took a lady for a few days and she took me interesting places where you find hardly any foreign tourists, just locals. It was well worth it.
[QUOTE=NickS;1756976]I'm still looking at hotels, but I plan to stay on Sukhumvit. I plan to be in BKK for a few weeks. As far as horizontal activities, I plan to try a little bit of everything as this will be my first time in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Don't limit yourself to BKK when Pattaya is so close and seemingly has more girls.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1757362]Don't limit yourself to BKK when Pattaya is so close and seemingly has more girls.[/QUOTE]Its reported that streets of Pattaya are packed with ugly girls. I am sure there are hot girls too, but a lower percentage and more likely to be in a classy place. The advantage of Pattaya is a huge number of girls not far apart and prices may be cheaper than Bangkok.
However I see little need for Pattaya when superior girls know they could make better money in Bangkok. That then leaves the girls who just like Pattaya lifestyle more than Bangkok rat race.
Who needs more girls? I think its more about cheap girls and the lifestyle there.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1757908] I am sure there are hot girls too, but a lower percentage and more likely to be in a classy place.
.[/QUOTE]When's the last time you set foot in Pattaya to be passing along all of this "first hand" intel? Pattaya has a ton of hot girls, possibly even more than what's available in the main hobby area along Sukhumvit. I spent two weeks in Pattaya and two weeks in Bangkok last trip and from what I experienced it was easier to find high quality in Pattaya. For ten baht you can hop on a baht bus, when you spot a club that looks promising you can jump off and grab a beer and take a look around. And most gogo's in Pattaya have cheap draft beer which allows you to hop more bars. 65 baht for a draft vs 150 baht for a bottle in Bangkok. Plus many of the beer bars run happy hours or have cheaper prices than walking street. I can hit three times as many bars, look at three times as many girls as I can for the same amount of money drinking in Bangkok. The best part of traveling in the off season is being able to pick up and move if you don't like a certain area or hotel. If your a new visitor to Thailand i'd recommend visiting Bangkok first for a few days and then head down to Pattaya, 3 day in each city and then decide if you want to head back to Bangkok. Im betting most guys will stay in Pattaya.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1757945]When's the last time you set foot in Pattaya to be passing along all of this "first hand" intel? Pattaya has a ton of hot girls, possibly even more than what's available in the main hobby area along Sukhumvit. [/QUOTE]I am just going by what several other guys that like classy beauties are telling me. I have not been there recently. I don't know what you mean by "hot" girls. Perhaps you could provide some pics. For me a great body is not enough. Very young is also not enough. I need pretty faces as well. Most times when guys post pics of Pattaya girls, I have been underwhelmed. I do understand that Pattaya has a huge number of girls in a small area, and it stands to reason there must be some really special looking girls. I would have thought they would hang in a classy place and not on the street, most likely. Others tell me that Pattaya has a lot of rather average girls, but so does Bangkok if go to the wrong places. I believe I am extremely fussy, so only 2% of Bangkok working girls are looking really good to me. I don't even like many that others think are hot. Last two visits to Emannuelle Soapy, I could not find a girl I wanted to take. I even left Nataree empty handed. Saw one great girl but she seemed to be separated from the rest as though maybe booked already, although she was talking on the phone for a long time.
If you can find what you look for easily, that is great.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1758757]I am just going by what several other guys that like classy beauties are telling me. I have not been there recently. I don't know what you mean by "hot" girls. Perhaps you could provide some pics. For me a great body is not enough. Very young is also not enough. I need pretty faces as well. [/QUOTE]Here's some photo's for you to decide if Pattaya is worth a visit.
H looks like she has cuteness potential. I'd be all over her. Was this on your recent trip?
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1759038]H looks like she has cuteness potential. I'd be all over her. Was this on your recent trip?[/QUOTE]Yep, last trip. Was too drunk to bar fine her the first time I ran into her late at night. Went back to the bar and she jumped in my lap. Wild little Laos girl.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1759029]Here's some photo's for you to decide if Pattaya is worth a visit.[/QUOTE]Nice pixs Breadman.
Blonde 4 works for me as I prefer my ladies on the skinnier side. She must have been quite a sight in those stiletto's!
SL.
Yesterday I tried to call out on my AIS 1-2-call phone and learned that my number was suspended even though I had plenty of time left on my SIMM card. I had to go to [URL]Tuk.com[/URL] and visit the AIS TEL-wiz booth to fix the problem. They gave me a new SIMM card with the same number but I had to give them a copy of my passport so they can associate me with that number. Thai big brother is now watching. Are there no longer any anonymous cell phone options in Thailand?
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1760008]Are there no longer any anonymous cell phone options in Thailand?[/QUOTE]That "security" measure is pure theater. If you really need an anonymous SIM card, just give 100 baht to the hobo drinking beer in front of the 7-11 to register it under his name (True allows registration at 7-11). More realistically, go to the phone shop (a small private one, not a big-name corporate one), come up with a story about not having a passport, and ask them to register it for you for a small fee.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1760008]Yesterday I tried to call out on my AIS 1-2-call phone and learned that my number was suspended even though I had plenty of time left on my SIMM card. I had to go to [URL]Tuk.com[/URL] and visit the AIS TEL-wiz booth to fix the problem. They gave me a new SIMM card with the same number but I had to give them a copy of my passport so they can associate me with that number.[/QUOTE]It has been known for quite some time that phone numbers would have to be registered with an ID. I did mine back in February. The cutoff date was supposed to be July 31, but they extended it. I guess you missed the extention as well. Lucky that you could still keep the same number.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1760194]It has been known for quite some time.....The cutoff date was supposed to be July 31, but they extended it.[/QUOTE]The extension was for incoming calls only. Outgoing is suspended until you register. Widely publicized for months.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1760159]That "security" measure is pure theater. If you really need an anonymous SIM card, just give 100 baht to the hobo drinking beer in front of the 7-11 to register it under his name (True allows registration at 7-11). More realistically, go to the phone shop (a small private one, not a big-name corporate one), come up with a story about not having a passport, and ask them to register it for you for a small fee.[/QUOTE]Nothing to worry about. Do you eally think Thailand (or any other country for that matter) has the money, manpower and will to really check upon all messages and calls everyone is making?
It is a regular information overload and the best place to hide is in the crowd.
Hey fellow mongers,
I'm planning a trip later and blow job bars or getting blow jobs are my thing and as such, I need help on getting some no bullshit straight shooting (no pun intended) destination info.
I am one in search of no trouble and simply want to enjoy life's simple pleasures.
Which country would you recommend?
My dream is to travel to that country, indulge in the local talent and go home, without any trouble or issues with any locals or authority. I want to go as under the radar as possible and of course, be as safe as possible.
Which would you recommend?
Vietnam (HCMC) or Bangkok or Pattaya?
My selfish dream is to meet an epic hot skinny hoover which I can take back to the room and challenge her to take as many loads out of me in 1 day before calling it a night.
Looking at travelling for about 3 days.
Need advise! Please! Help!
[QUOTE=PpSeeker;1760541]
I'm planning a trip later and blow job bars or getting blow jobs are my thing.
Which country would you recommend? Vietnam (HCMC) or Bangkok or Pattaya?
Looking at travelling for about 3 days.
[/QUOTE]For blowjob bars specifically, Bangkok. In Patpong (Sala Daeng BTS station), there's the delightful Star of Light and sleazy Kangaroo Bar, in Sukhumvit area (Nana BTS station), there are slightly more classy places: 3-4 BJ venues near Soi 8, plus Dr. BJ on the other side. Easy to find, consistently good service, 700-800 baht (or 1000 for the Dr).
Pattaya sex scene is in general larger and cheaper than Bangkok, and some of the bars on Beach Road Soi 6 should do the BJ trick, plus many massage places offer extras. If your goal is full time non-stop mongering, go to Pattaya, but if you're after specialized BJ bars plus some non-mongering activities, I'd choose Bangkok instead.
HCMC Vietnam does have Hot Toc hair salons, [I]some[/I] of which offer BJs. They're scattered around town and not easy to find or recognize. The sex scene is not foreigner friendly, plenty of hassle and frustration even for those who know their way around Vietnam and speak a few words of their awful language, let alone a hapless first-time traveler. Service is not nearly as good or consistent as in Thailand, and you will get ripped off by all and sundry if you're not street-smart and familiar with the local prices (sometimes even if you are). On the positive side, Vietnamese working girls are way better looking than in Thailand and you can get cheaper service if you are sharp and know what the locals pay and where they go. Vietnam is never relaxing nor a gentle introduction to mongering in Asia.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1760387]Nothing to worry about. Do you eally think Thailand (or any other country for that matter) has the money, manpower and will to really check upon all messages and calls everyone is making?
It is a regular information overload and the best place to hide is in the crowd.[/QUOTE]You'd be surprised at what data mining technology can accomplish without any human supervision.
Of course, they won't monitor everyone in real time, but if you ever get in the sights of the govt or powerful interests (for whatever reason), they'll have all of the data stored and indexed, ready to dig up the dirt on anyone.
Thais might be too lazy to do it (they prefer a half-ass job and appearance over substance), but NSA can still vacuum it all, and likely knows about our Thai hooker adventures if they ever desire to look any of us up.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1760626]You'd be surprised at what data mining technology can accomplish without any human supervision.[/QUOTE]I'm a (very) old hand at IT and data processing, so it does not come as a surprise to me.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1760626]Of course, they won't monitor everyone in real time, but if you ever get in the sights of the govt or powerful interests (for whatever reason), they'll have all of the data stored and indexed, ready to dig up the dirt on anyone.[/QUOTE]Indeed, but it means you must first come into their sights. For the time being there will still be human intervention to ask the system to find your data. Unless they type "Crocodilexp" in the search field of the form, your data remains sleeping in the database.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1760626]Thais might be too lazy to do it (they prefer a half-ass job and appearance over substance), but NSA can still vacuum it all, and likely knows about our Thai hooker adventures if they ever desire to look any of us up.[/QUOTE]If one can believe the stories we read in the newspapers, the governments have already trouble doing something simple as linking the databases from different departments together, so compiling and combining the data from all the mobile telephone operators together and linking that to some other databases they may already have, might perhaps never even happen.
It will take an "Osama Bin Laden" case to get them to make a real effort.
[QUOTE=PpSeeker;1760541]My dream is to travel to that country, indulge in the local talent and go home, without any trouble or issues with any locals or authority. I want to go as under the radar as possible and of course, be as safe as possible.
[/QUOTE]Prostitution is not illegal in Thailand, so the authorities will not bother you here and the locals get a nice income out of it and therefore will not cause any trouble provided you are nice to them.
And really, in Thailand nobody cares about whether you stay under the radar or not.
Bangkok will be your best bet: either pick up a girl for LT in a club or bar or go straight to one of the many BJ-bars and negotiate an out-call.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1760797]I'm a (very) old hand at IT and data processing, so it does not come as a surprise to me.
Indeed, but it means you must first come into their sights. For the time being there will still be human intervention to ask the system to find your data. Unless they type "Crocodilexp" in the search field of the form, your data remains sleeping in the database.
If one can believe the stories we read in the newspapers, the governments have already trouble doing something simple as linking the databases from different departments together, so compiling and combining the data from all the mobile telephone operators together and linking that to some other databases they may already have, might perhaps never even happen.
It will take an "Osama Bin Laden" case to get them to make a real effort.[/QUOTE]Data retrieval and data mining from big data pools is almost standard enterprise software nowadays, and usually outsourced to multinational public service vendors with huge expertise. Getting the big data there may still be an issue in Thailand, but don't underestimate the precision of these data queries.
You still have to come into their sight, true, but that's where we fail, we usually don't care until we're suddenly into sight, for reasons that couldn't be predicted, eg sudden changes of a political climate! Go figure!
The combination of big data and unclear legal grounds, eg public services that are prone to corruption is a potential bombshell. Again, go figure.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1760797]Unless they type "Crocodilexp" in the search field of the form, your data remains sleeping in the database.[/QUOTE]
They can correlate most of your aliases and data by stuff like IP address, browser fingerprint, 3rd party cookies and such. So, it's fair to assume if they ever type any of your identifies, that your real name and full past activity comes up. Further on, they can correlate it with your contacts (from Facebook, e-mails and phone contact). Sky is the limit, and we should assume we're completely naked with regards to any online activity. Maybe none of that is illegal now, but 20 years later?
It is impossible to predict where the future will take us and what sort of trouble we might eventually end up in.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1760876] .. it's fair to assume if they ever type any of your identifies, that your real name and full past activity comes up. Further on, they can correlate it with your contacts (from Facebook, e-mails and phone contact). Sky is the limit, and we should assume we're completely naked with regards to any online activity. Maybe none of that is illegal now, but 20 years later?
[/QUOTE]20 years or 2 years!
A hypothetical scenario: In the slipstream of a country's royal crisis (the Regent passed away) it's totalitarian leaders want to justify a "moral rising af the country" by targeting prostitution and narcotics.
A random overworked FL has bought ice on a regular basis, and is now connected to a case of drug dealing under investigation. A random farang, let's call him Mr. Wolfskin, has had several tel calls to the poor girl. The military police like urgent results, traces this number to Mr. Wolfskin, a foreigner with lots of calls from the mobile network's antennas close to places of "immoral activities" and ice dealers. Bingo.
Nothing illegal yet. Had it been a Western democracy. But in this thought up country the police takes the innocent faring into custody while "investigating a drug ring with foreign relations". Now, I don't want to be taken into custody in this thought up country, even for driving a bike with no headlights on!
[QUOTE=JeanSean;1760890]20 years or 2 years!
--snip--![/QUOTE]For the paranoids among us:
The only way to avoid that risk, is to buy a new sim card at the 7/11, using a fake ID.
Since everyone should carry a photocopy of his passport instead of the real thing anyway, it is a cinch to fabricate a fake copy, which will pass scrutiny at the 7/11.
Some care is required, however, because the machine readable numbers at the bottom will identify the original owner, even if the name is changed.
I suggest borrowing your 90 year old grandmother's passport and just changing the name (fake) and your picture (real). And don't forget the birthday!
[QUOTE=DaddySan;1760939]For the paranoids among us:
The only way to avoid that risk, is to buy a new sim card at the 7/11, using a fake ID.
Since everyone should carry a photocopy of his passport instead of the real thing anyway, it is a cinch to fabricate a fake copy, which will pass scrutiny at the 7/11.
Some care is required, however, because the machine readable numbers at the bottom will identify the original owner, even if the name is changed.
I suggest borrowing your 90 year old grandmother's passport and just changing the name (fake) and your picture (real). And don't forget the birthday![/QUOTE]So your going to break the laws of a foreign country that you are visiting for what reason? So that your ID is not associated with a sim card? Whats the point? You just arrived and used your PP to enter, there are cameras everwhere, you need ID to check into a hotel. It's like everyone in the government knows you are there, but you will break their laws to hide your identity for a sim card.
Lets move on to more realistic subjects.
RL.
[QUOTE=DaddySan;1760939]
Since everyone should carry a photocopy of his passport instead of the real thing anyway[/QUOTE]As a US Passport holder, I always bring my most recent expired passport with me whenever I travel overseas in case my most current one is lost or stolen. If I'm just wandering around, I carry my expired passport and leave my current one at my hotel.
I've been doing this since I read a book about a woman who bicycled from Mongolia through China to Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon). At every village she bicycled through, the military or police and every lodging clerk would ask for her passport. She always had her current passport tucked under layers of clothing with her emergency credit card / money so it was not easily accessible and a deterrent to pickpockets and robbers. To abide by any request for a passport, she always showed her expired passport and she was never challenged for her current one. The hole punched in her expired passport never raised any concerns.
Since then I've used my expired US Passport at military / police security check points in Ecuador and Mexico. I've also used it in Thailand at a currency exchange booth and to rent a wind surf board. In all these instances, I had no challenges to my expired passport.
I raised this same recommendation on the Colombia forum a few years ago and some guy admonished me for it. He said it was "illegal" to carry and present an expired passport when asked by an official. Perhaps that's the case in Colombia for a Colombian or the guy thought that this was for some nefarious act.
Like an expired driver's license, you can't drive with it, but you can still use it as identification. It's up to whomever is asking to accept it as valid identification. Likewise, you can't use an expired passport to travel, but the US government does consider it proof of your USA Citizenship. In fact, if your passport is ever lost or stolen while overseas, it expedites a replacement if you have your expired passport available.
[QUOTE]
http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/passports/FAQs.html
I'm renewing my passport. Do I get the old one back?
Yes, we will return the old, cancelled passport to you. It may be sent separately from your new passport. It is a good idea to keep your old passport in a safe place as [b]it is considered proof of your U.S. citizenship.[/b]
[/QUOTE]Of course, there are those who believe a photocopy of your passport is more than sufficient. It might be; but it will be at the discretion of whomever is asking. If you're a police officer, a soldier, a money exchanger, or a store clerk, if you're given the choice, would you prefer a photocopy or an expired passport (and you can't read English so you can't tell it's expired) as identification?
If you've got to carry your current passport with you, at least keep your expired one at your hotel.
I also carry my US Passport Card with me. I've never had to use it overseas so I don't know if it's acceptable identification.
[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1679893]Laundry: Highway Robbery.
The hotels and even some to the laundry shops charge a lot of money to do laundry per piece. I bought new shirts at one third over the amount they wanted to charge me instead of getting my laundry done through them.
What do you do for laundry in farangland?[/QUOTE]The is a baht laundry on Soi 4. If you walk away from Sukumvit on the Nana hotel side of the Soi, past Hillary bar about 30 meter, you will see several laundries, The second one is best. They also have 2 or 3 computers for 1 Bht per minute.
What about having a pic on the phone? Be much easier kinda like how some people have boarding pass on their phone to scan.
[QUOTE=Yujin;1761021]As a US Passport holder, I always bring my most recent expired passport with me whenever I travel overseas in case my most current one is lost or stolen. If I'm just wandering around, I carry my expired passport and leave my current one at my hotel.
I've been doing this since I read a book about a woman who bicycled from Mongolia through China to Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon). At every village she bicycled through, the military or police and every lodging clerk would ask for her passport. She always had her current passport tucked under layers of clothing with her emergency credit card / money so it was not easily accessible and a deterrent to pickpockets and robbers. To abide by any request for a passport, she always showed her expired passport and she was never challenged for her current one. The hole punched in her expired passport never raised any concerns.
Since then I've used my expired US Passport at military / police security check points in Ecuador and Mexico. I've also used it in Thailand at a currency exchange booth and to rent a wind surf board. In all these instances, I had no challenges to my expired passport.
I raised this same recommendation on the Colombia forum a few years ago and some guy admonished me for it. He said it was "illegal" to carry and present an expired passport when asked by an official. Perhaps that's the case in Colombia for a Colombian or the guy thought that this was for some nefarious act.
Like an expired driver's license, you can't drive with it, but you can still use it as identification. It's up to whomever is asking to accept it as valid identification. Likewise, you can't use an expired passport to travel, but the US government does consider it proof of your USA Citizenship. In fact, if your passport is ever lost or stolen while overseas, it expedites a replacement if you have your expired passport available.
Of course, there are those who believe a photocopy of your passport is more than sufficient. It might be; but it will be at the discretion of whomever is asking. If you're a police officer, a soldier, a money exchanger, or a store clerk, if you're given the choice, would you prefer a photocopy or an expired passport (and you can't read English so you can't tell it's expired) as identification?
If you've got to carry your current passport with you, at least keep your expired one at your hotel.
I also carry my US Passport Card with me. I've never had to use it overseas so I don't know if it's acceptable identification.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Yujin;1761021]
I also carry my US Passport Card with me. I've never had to use it overseas so I don't know if it's acceptable identification.[/QUOTE]I too always carry my Passport Card and it works fine as an official ID.
GE.
[QUOTE=Dynolas;1761088]What about having a pic on the phone? Be much easier kinda like how some people have boarding pass on their phone to scan.[/QUOTE]I don't have a good scanner, but I did take a photo of my passport and e-mailed it to myself. That, however, is the absolute last option if I needed to replace a lost or stolen passport. I would never use it as primary identification.
I have never heard of anyone using or anyone accepting an image of a passport as identification. With photoshop and other imaging software, that's too easily forged.
I would also NEVER EVER handover an unlocked cellular phone to someone that I did not know and trust. When you scan your boarding pass at the airport, your phone never leaves your possession. With an image of your passport on your phone, law enforcement or whomever will ask you for your phone so that they can better examine the image. Once your unlocked phone leaves your possession, everything on it is accessible and fair game so you better not have anything incriminating on it. [B]Remember, there is nothing so trivial and insignificant on your cell phone that can't be totally blown out of proportion or out of context by an overzealous cop or authority.[/B].
There are millions of tourists visiting the country every year. Most of them buy a local sim. Do you really think the government of any country including the USA has the money, manpower and reason to go into the details of each and every sim??
It is absolutely impossible to monitor each and every foreigner traveling in the country. And in any case you are going to use the sim for mongering purpose only. Unless you intend to do any illegal activities, I don't see any reason to hide your identity. And I feel that in today's world it is not possible to hide your true identity.
So why do it??
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1760876]They can correlate most of your aliases and data by stuff like IP address, browser fingerprint, 3rd party cookies and such. So, it's fair to assume if they ever type any of your identifies, that your real name and full past activity comes up. Further on, they can correlate it with your contacts (from Facebook, e-mails and phone contact). Sky is the limit, and we should assume we're completely naked with regards to any online activity. Maybe none of that is illegal now, but 20 years later?
It is impossible to predict where the future will take us and what sort of trouble we might eventually end up in.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Yujin;1761021]She always had her current passport tucked under layers of clothing with her emergency credit card / money so it was not easily accessible and a deterrent to pickpockets and robbers.[/QUOTE]Given the kind of activities us forum-members are likely to participate in, hiding something under layers of clothing probably isn't the best idea.
Are there any porn sites in Thailand not block? Tried to access Porn Hub recently but it was blocked.
Thanks,
FM
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1760622]HCMC Vietnam does have Hot Toc hair salons, [I]some[/I] of which offer BJs. They're scattered around town and not easy to find or recognize. The sex scene is not foreigner friendly, plenty of hassle and frustration even for those who know their way around Vietnam and speak a few words of their awful language, let alone a hapless first-time traveler. Service is not nearly as good or consistent as in Thailand, and you will get ripped off by all and sundry if you're not street-smart and familiar with the local prices (sometimes even if you are). On the positive side, Vietnamese working girls are way better looking than in Thailand and you can get cheaper service if you are sharp and know what the locals pay and where they go. Vietnam is never relaxing nor a gentle introduction to mongering in Asia.[/QUOTE]Very well said, sir! Yes, regardless of the commodity, if you don't know your prices the VN will screw you into the ground before you know what hit you. And, no doubt, the VN ladies are better looking overall, and FAR tighter than anybody I ever met in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Sammyt;1760569]All new to me. I've visited LOS 3 times in the last 2 years and on each occasion I bought a SIM card at the DTAC store in Suvarnabhumi Airport arrivals. I've wasn't asked for ID on any occasion. Only Baht.[/QUOTE]It is now mandatory for all pre paid sims to be registered or the vendor can't activate it for you. There are a few vendors who are registering sims under their ID cards and then selling them but now there is a limit being imposed per person. What's the big deal about showing your passport or other ID?
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1761913]It is now mandatory for all pre paid sims to be registered or the vendor can't activate it for you.[/QUOTE]Yep, announced beginning of year: [URL]http://tech.thaivisa.com/sim-card-registration-starts-today/3627/[/URL].
Extension for one month, can only receive incoming calls.
[QUOTE=Fooolishman;1761577]Are there any porn sites in Thailand not block? Tried to access Porn Hub recently but it was blocked.
Thanks,
FM[/QUOTE]Hey there,
You can use a free proxy website to get around the fact that a site is blocked in a country. The one that I use is [URL]https://hide.me/en/proxy[/URL] , simply go there, enter the website you wish to visit and off you go!
[QUOTE=Fooolishman;1761577]Are there any porn sites in Thailand not block? Tried to access Porn Hub recently but it was blocked.
Thanks,
FM[/QUOTE]Your post begs the question. Why would you need pornhub, I site I adore, in BKK?
Haha, sand to the beach. Reminded me of this joke.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGLtv-EKtBM[/URL]
I don't believe the site is blocked by the govt, but by specific internet services. However they have been cracking down so it's possible.
[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1762100]Your post begs the question. Why would you need pornhub, I site I adore, in BKK?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1762145]Haha, sand to the beach. Reminded me of this joke.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGLtv-EKtBM[/URL]
I don't believe the site is blocked by the govt, but by specific internet services. However they have been cracking down so it's possible.[/QUOTE]I new I would get this question. First, at my age, I am probably the oldest member on this board, I need all the help I can get to "get it up". Secondly, If you have never watched.
Porn with your lady friend, then you do not know what you are missing. Hope this answers you question.
FM
[QUOTE=Fooolishman;1763057]I new I would get this question. First, at my age, I am probably the oldest member on this board, I need all the help I can get to "get it up". Secondly, If you have never watched.
Porn with your lady friend, then you do not know what you are missing. Hope this answers you question.
FM[/QUOTE]I meant to reply to Rjsss12.
[QUOTE=Fooolishman;1763057]I new I would get this question. First, at my age, I am probably the oldest member on this board, I need all the help I can get to "get it up". Secondly, If you have never watched.
Porn with your lady friend, then you do not know what you are missing. Hope this answers you question.
FM[/QUOTE]I'm in my low 40"s and sometimes fire up a little porn before heading out too. So don't sweat any negative comments.
And I concur watching some with the right girl can make things even better in the bedroom.
[QUOTE=Soldierb11;1763565]I'm in my low 40"s and sometimes fire up a little porn before heading out too. So don't sweat any negative comments.
And I concur watching some with the right girl can make things even better in the bedroom.[/QUOTE]Thanks Soldier. I appreciate your feedback.
FM
If you haven't registered yet, do so ASAP. Otherwise lose it for good end of October.
[URL]http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/thailand/666503-pre-paid-sim-card-buy.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1765821]If you haven't registered yet, do so ASAP. Otherwise lose it for good end of October.
[/QUOTE]I believe the deadline is October 1.
For US travelors who wonder why exchange booths don't like our 50 dollar bills.
[URL]http://www.wimp.com/fifty-dollar-bill-clever-forgery/[/URL]
[QUOTE=LaoMan;1768996]FYI prostitution is not legal in Thailand, believe it or not.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1769090]Please, read the law before you post this kind of nonsense.[/QUOTE]This is just useless dribble and is taking up precious bandwidth that Jackson kindly provides for us. Here is the dam link to the Thailand criminal code in English. You two can debate till your hearts content in the general thread.
[URL]http://www.samuiforsale.com/law-texts/thailand-penal-code.html[/URL]#356.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1769088]When girls that work in soapies can fly business class then surely someone (and probably more than one!) has been over-paying. ;)[/QUOTE]I would beg to differ. How can you overpay in a soapie?? The prices are set. Oh yes and you shouldn't tip! If we tip, we will drive the prices up! A more plausible scenario is she has a foreign boyfriend who sends her money but she continues to work. I'm sick and tired of people talking about overpaying, tipping and safe sex. There is a general thread to talk about this crap and a safe sex thread if you want to play doctor. Do what you want guys, prices will always reflect supply and demand. I don't care what anyone says but this has been and will always be the bedrock principle behind pricing in every industry. I know some people will say that the girls raise prices in the offseason but what if none one partakes? It won't take that lady too long to lower her price when her rent is due and she can't pay or she needs to pay her tuition, or her deadbeat Thai husband or boyfriend gets in trouble. Here's a doozie for you Wolvenvacht. I have tipped 1,000 Baht in my last 5 visits to Nateree and Snowwhite. Why? Because I got dam good service. Multiple shots, true PSE experience, CIM, and so on. Deal with it! LOL.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1769109]This is just useless dribble and is taking up precious bandwidth that Jackson kindly provides for us. Here is the dam link to the Thailand criminal code in English. You two can debate till your hearts content in the general thread.
[URL]http://www.samuiforsale.com/law-texts/thailand-penal-code.html[/URL]#356.[/QUOTE]The only mention of prostitution in the linked Thailand Penal Code is in Section 286:
Section 286 Any person, being over sixteen years of age, subsists on the earning of a prostitute, even it is some part of her incomes, shall be punished with imprisonment of seven to twenty years and fined of fourteen thousand to forty thousand Baht, or imprisonment for life.
This and the subsequent articles refer to "pimping" I. E. Living of prostitutes but not to prostitution itself. Maybe there is more further down, which I have not read.
I do agree that this is a meaningless discussion, especially since the police / LE seems to make their own laws.
[QUOTE=Scorchin;1769119]As expected when anyone happily pays whatever he feels isa price which, in his opinion, represnts value for money, out come the moaners and groaners saying that he has being over paying.
To each his own I say.
I fly business class on long haul. No doubt that enrages the cheap charies who scour the web for cut price cattle class fares.
I am happy to pay baht 5,000/ hour for a good lay with a willing lady. And treble that over-night. -with dinner, drinks and breakfast thrown in with taxi money.
AndI don't givea damn what others think.
Look at the substance of an OP's information, not the cost.[/QUOTE]Bumped this from the Bangkok reports. Yes I agree with your statement. Price police and 2 week millionaires or cheap locals are out in full force today. Everyone has their price and preference so please stop this useless banter.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1769136]Bumped this from the Bangkok reports. Yes I agree with your statement. Price police and 2 week millionaires or cheap locals are out in full force today. Everyone has their price and preference so please stop this useless banter.[/QUOTE]Funny man. The Bangkok thread has always been full of useless banter not related to finding women in Bangkok to have sex. At least that post appeared to have some relevance.
Only Admin can stop people filling the Vangkok thread with unrelated crap, when it occurs. If you don't like a discussion tou don't need to make such long replies of your own. You can just ignore or add guys to your ignore list.
I mostly ignore non mongering topics, but not always.
I do wish we had much stricter moderation in particular of the Bangkok thread, since that is a thread I like to use myself.
I would. Love to see a Bangkok Non-Mongering thread setup so Bangkok thread could stick to the point.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1769195]Funny man. The Bangkok thread has always been full of useless banter not related to finding women in Bangkok to have sex. At least that post appeared to have some relevance.
Only Admin can stop people filling the Vangkok thread with unrelated crap, when it occurs. If you don't like a discussion tou don't need to make such long replies of your own. You can just ignore or add guys to your ignore list.
I mostly ignore non mongering topics, but not always.
I do wish we had much stricter moderation in particular of the Bangkok thread, since that is a thread I like to use myself.
I would. Love to see a Bangkok Non-Mongering thread setup so Bangkok thread could stick to the point.[/QUOTE]Actually we do. The general thread which is where we are at now, I bumped it over from the Bangkok thread, the safe sex thread, and the photo chit chat thread. Which post appeared to have relevance? The one talking about the soapie girl getting over paid? Or the other one talking about her car? Those were the posts I was referring to. If you noticed I agreed with the post I quoted funny man! Lol just kidding Syz! I still respect you of course with your wealth of experience.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1769112]I would beg to differ. How can you overpay in a soapie?? The prices are set. Oh yes and you shouldn't tip! If we tip, we will drive the prices up! A more plausible scenario is she has a foreign boyfriend who sends her money but she continues to work. I'm sick and tired of people talking about overpaying, tipping and safe sex. There is a general thread to talk about this crap and a safe sex thread if you want to play doctor. Do what you want guys, prices will always reflect supply and demand. I don't care what anyone says but this has been and will always be the bedrock principle behind pricing in every industry. I know some people will say that the girls raise prices in the offseason but what if none one partakes? It won't take that lady too long to lower her price when her rent is due and she can't pay or she needs to pay her tuition, or her deadbeat Thai husband or boyfriend gets in trouble. Here's a doozie for you Wolvenvacht. I have tipped 1,000 Baht in my last 5 visits to Nateree and Snowwhite. Why? Because I got dam good service. Multiple shots, true PSE experience, CIM, and so on. Deal with it! LOL.[/QUOTE]Really Bkkdog, you missed the point that I was just joking. I did put a smiley at the end of my message, but that was probably "too old school" for this new generation of tech-savvy youngsters.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1769306]Really Bkkdog, you missed the point that I was just joking. I did put a smiley at the end of my message, but that was probably "too old school" for this new generation of tech-savvy youngsters.[/QUOTE]No worries mate. 😀.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1769313]Not at all! She was driven there by her own chauffeur (who also doubles as her toyboy when her overpaying old farts once again fail to make her cum)!
Note: the above is written in jest, i.e. an utterance (as a jeer or quip) intended to be taken as mockery or humor, or else the self-appointed protectors of the seriousness of this forum, fall all over me again.[/QUOTE]I just don't see the point with making these comments in the sections of the forum which are for mongering reports. If you want to chit chat and make jokes then exchange your contact information via the PM system and if you want to join the price police I hear they are taking applications in one of the other sections. You never read this stuff in the Indonesian and Philipines ISG. Why so much in the Thailand section? Those guys post a lot of photos and never complain about the prices others pay and certainly don't criticize others safe sex practices.
I also just noticed to go along with the general thread, safe sex thread, and photo chit chat thread, there is also a Thailand lounge and chat thread. Why is it that Jackson needs to make all these sub threads deadicated to meaningless dribble? The answer is that many members feel the need to post crap. I often see Jackson post his famous message regarding "This forum is for the exchange of information regarding............ let's get back on topic"
So that's all.........
I have read upon arrival at BKK airport the line for taxis for going into Bangkok can be very long. One solution would be to go up 2 floors to the departure level and get a taxi who dropped a fare?
Has anyone tried this? Any problems or warnings to others who attempt this shortcut?
[QUOTE=Chukar;1770653]I have read upon arrival at BKK airport the line for taxis for going into Bangkok can be very long. One solution would be to go up 2 floors to the departure level and get a taxi who dropped a fare?
Has anyone tried this? Any problems or warnings to others who attempt this shortcut?[/QUOTE]Many of us do this all the time.
There are one way revolving gates to prevent you dragging your suitcases (on wheels) to the taxis. However you can just lift your suitcase over the fence. The more aggressive the taxi driver, the less I want to pick him.
Saves waiting in queue for taxi, and saves 50 baht airport fee. Take a meter ride unless you know what the prices should be. Try to know the alternative routes the taxi should take from Google Maps. However the driver will know more about traffic jams.
I am happy to pay highway tolls and go a longer way if it avoids a traffic jam. However I know all the routes. I love to arrive or depart from Thailand on a Sunday. Lower traffic. Very early morning or at night is good also.
[QUOTE=Chukar;1770653]I have read upon arrival at BKK airport the line for taxis for going into Bangkok can be very long. One solution would be to go up 2 floors to the departure level and get a taxi who dropped a fare?
Has anyone tried this? Any problems or warnings to others who attempt this shortcut?[/QUOTE]I have been there twice in the last 2 months and although the lines might appear long the taxis arrive frequently and in my experience the lines run through very rapidly.
In my opinion, the time and effort involved in going up 2 floors in the heat after a tiring flight and then not being sure what you will find at departure is better spent waiting patiently for your turn in the taxi line.
[QUOTE=Chukar;1770653]I have read upon arrival at BKK airport the line for taxis for going into Bangkok can be very long. One solution would be to go up 2 floors to the departure level and get a taxi who dropped a fare?
Has anyone tried this? Any problems or warnings to others who attempt this shortcut?[/QUOTE]Yes, it's easily done. In my experience, and I regret to say it has been a couple years ago (gawd I'm needing to get back to LOS in a bad way), though, you are likely to find all manner of drivers besides the licensed taxis. I did negotiate a market rate for Pattaya at the time (and this was a fairly late hour, after the Emirates flight from HKG and a laggard baggage delivery) from an unmarked luxury car (not perhaps the wisest move). I did worry when the driver left the highway and stopped over at another location, where another car eventually deposited me in Patts. Then again, I've dealt with dodgy drivers in regular cabs, and some from the taxi stands you'll find all over Pattaya.
I'll never forget one idiot driver who somehow managed to get lost from Pattaya to the main airport, and landed us on a dirt side road. At this point I began yelling at the bastard, expecting that I'd be robbed but letting him know that I wouldn't be a mark that would go down easily. He did eventually get the vehicle back on the highway, but in short order started making a goofy "tchick tchick tchick" sound or somesuch. I was cursing him (figuring that he'd at least figure the context, if not the literal meaning which would have most likely resulted in my ejection or worse -- again, not wise in retrospect). He persisted with the "tchick tchick" nonsense, which after he pointed to his crotch, I finally realized that he needed to do a No. 1. As I was at risk of missing my flight by that point I began screaming "No no no no no. You will soil your pants before you stop this car, you [expletive]. He seemed to at least catch the drift and drove on to the terminal. And that one was the "legitimate" ride.
[Ah, these goofy-ass CODE WORD violations for urination. Sigh]
[QUOTE=RedKilt;1770829]I have been there twice in the last 2 months and although the lines might appear long the taxis arrive frequently and in my experience the lines run through very rapidly.
In my opinion, the time and effort involved in going up 2 floors in the heat after a tiring flight and then not being sure what you will find at departure is better spent waiting patiently for your turn in the taxi line.[/QUOTE]Can't we pre book taxi cabs from airport to BKK city to our hotel saving time and eliminating the uncertainty. Some reputed cabs like Uber or something? Which one in popular in BKK?
[QUOTE=Raju1974;1770858]Can't we pre book taxi cabs from airport to BKK city to our hotel saving time and eliminating the uncertainty. Some reputed cabs like Uber or something? Which one in popular in BKK?[/QUOTE]You can pre-book a car service (google AOT for an example) but IMO it is really not necessary unless you have a lot of luggage or are in a large group. The time saved under normal circumstances will be quite minimal.
Just go downstairs to the taxi queue. Have a printout of your destination and show it to the dispatcher, and they will communicate it to the taxi driver. When you are in the taxi ask the driver to start the meter. Tell them that taking the highway is ok. Have enough baht for the trip lower Suk it should be something like 300 be meter + 75 be tolls + 50 be airport fee. The drive will usually ask you for the toll money as you pass through them. Give the driver a small tip at the end of the trip.
Yes; you can go upstairs to the arrivals level and jump the barrier and save a wee bit of time and money, but IMO not worth it unless you do it all the time and know what you are doing.
SL.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1770886]
Just go downstairs to the taxi queue. Have a printout of your destination and show it to the dispatcher, and they will communicate it to the taxi driver. Have enough baht for the trip lower Suk it should be something like 300 - 400 by meter + 75 thb tolls + 50 be airport fee. The drive will usually ask you for the toll money as you pass through them. Give the driver a small tip at the end of the trip.
[/QUOTE]When did you last go through Bkk Suvanabumi SL?
They now have a machine at the dispatch point that sends you to a numbered taxi bay.
You line up; push a button on the machine; it spits out a ticket that says "Bay X" and you walk across to that clearly numbered bay to the cabbie who is waiting for you.
All your other comments are spot on (Trip to Sukhumvit Soi 4 should be something like 300 - 400 thb by meter + 75 thb tolls + 50 thb airport fee. The drive will usually ask you for the toll money as you pass through them. Give him a small tip at the end of the trip).
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1769112]I would beg to differ. How can you overpay in a soapie?? The prices are set. Oh yes and you shouldn't tip! If we tip, we will drive the prices up! A more plausible scenario is she has a foreign boyfriend who sends her money but she continues to work. I'm sick and tired of people talking about overpaying, tipping and safe sex. There is a general thread to talk about this crap and a safe sex thread if you want to play doctor. Do what you want guys, prices will always reflect supply and demand. I don't care what anyone says but this has been and will always be the bedrock principle behind pricing in every industry. I know some people will say that the girls raise prices in the offseason but what if none one partakes? It won't take that lady too long to lower her price when her rent is due and she can't pay or she needs to pay her tuition, or her deadbeat Thai husband or boyfriend gets in trouble. Here's a doozie for you Wolvenvacht. I have tipped 1,000 Baht in my last 5 visits to Nateree and Snowwhite. Why? Because I got dam good service. Multiple shots, true PSE experience, CIM, and so on. Deal with it! LOL.[/QUOTE]I agree with you about paying / tipping whatever amount one wants not overriding the far more critical principle of supply and demand in this regard. Personally, I have not observed that there is one bit of difference in what a Thai girl will gladly accept from me today vs what some other guy paid her yesterday for the same level of service. Money goes through these girls' hands and into their boyfriend's pocket, their dad's liquor supply or their baby's supposedly depleted "milk" inventory (which generally means one big food and cocktail party for her and her friends) faster than water through a sieve. So what if Joe Sony paid her 5,000 baht for a 2,000 baht job yesterday? I guarantee you she will be just as broke and in need of my 2,000 baht today as if he had only paid her 1000 baht.
Far more damaging to the state of the industry than the supposedly overpaying customer is the low demand customer. And I have definitely noticed a downside for me (the next customer) when a girl has been gifted with a series of low demand customers before me. I'm talking about guys who think they've gotten a blowjob, paid for it accordingly, when they've only gotten a handjob with a little oral foreplay thrown in. Or the guys who pay a girl to just sit with them at a disco and drink for three hours then collapse in their room never requiring the girl to do anything. Or the guys who accept one lame excuse after another for why the girl isn't up, interested and ready to provide a decent and satisfying time for her customer. Yet still pay her something significant without balking.
There is no learning curve to teach a girl how to get the overpaying customer into her trap. The chump who pays 5,000 baht for what anyone and everyone else can get from the same girl for 2,000 baht either walks into the shop or he doesn't. She either sits next to such a rube or she doesn't. But the learning curve for teaching a girl how to make a face when called upon to do something Thai girls did without hesitation 20 years ago, or what to give as an excuse for why they won't do this or that, are in a big rush to finish and go, or why they aren't even going to try to do a job well exists. It is taught to them by every low demand customer who goes along with it and pays anyway. I am not immune to falling for those lame excuses and letting it slide either. Thankfully, it is a rarer and rarer occurrence these past few years. But every time I do, I know I am doing far more damage to the industry, to other customers and, frankly, to myself in the long run than when I choose to "overpay" a really good service girl with an extra 1000 baht or so tip.
Thank you guys for the informative answers about the taxis at BKK.
[QUOTE=RedKilt;1770907]When did you last go through Bkk Suvanabumi SL?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update Red Kilt. December was my last time through subarnavumi airport. Will check out the new setup next month.
SL.
First trip to Thailand coming up in mid to late October. So really not that far away. Looking forward to it and to reading some of the posts on here.
Usually am active on the "Tijuana" area of this site since that is where I usually go. Thailand seems like an entirely new ballgame. Entirely.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1771364]Thanks for the update Red Kilt. December was my last time through subarnavumi airport. Will check out the new setup next month.
SL.[/QUOTE]To Sunlover.
Take the airport train is fastest if you don't have a lot of baggage city link take about 40 min to Markasan or Phayathai cost is 45 bht the express cost 150 bht only 30 min less stop and you can transfer to MRT at Markasan station or take a taxi to hotel.
Fast eddie 48.
[QUOTE=Chukar;1770653]I have read upon arrival at BKK airport the line for taxis for going into Bangkok can be very long. One solution would be to go up 2 floors to the departure level and get a taxi who dropped a fare?
Has anyone tried this? Any problems or warnings to others who attempt this shortcut?[/QUOTE]Been doing this for years without a problem, very efficient never having to wait at all, in fact when you are making your way over to the cab the driver will actually hail you at times. Cost from BKK to Nana, 235 baht minus toll which he avoided this time, seemed just as quick although it was early morning 7 am.
[QUOTE=Slaol;1772917]Been doing this for years without a problem, very efficient never having to wait at all, in fact when you are making your way over to the cab the driver will actually hail you at times. Cost from BKK to Nana, 235 baht minus toll which he avoided this time, seemed just as quick although it was early morning 7 am.[/QUOTE]As the line for taxis moves very quickly and never more thana ten minute wait. This contrasts with having to hike luggage up tp the Depatures level. Just tto save 50 baht.
[QUOTE=Slaol;1772917]. . in fact when you are making your way over to the cab the driver will actually hail you at times. [/QUOTE]This has changed now.
As I stated in Post # 7810, there is a machine at the taxi control point that dispenses a ticket which allocates you to a numbered taxi bay after you have pressed the button.
Controllers direct you to your numbered bay. It seems to be a means of keeping a better record too as the ticket shows the cab driver's name and the registration number along with phone numbers to call if you have a problem.
I waited only a few minutes last week as the line moved very rapidly.
[QUOTE=RedKilt;1773077]This has changed now.
As I stated in Post # 7810, there is a machine at the taxi control point that dispenses a ticket which allocates you to a numbered taxi bay after you have pressed the button[/QUOTE]I wonder what the meter is reading to Pattaya these days. I am still paying 900 including tolls up top.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1773123]I wonder what the meter is reading to Pattaya these days. I am still paying 900 including tolls up top.[/QUOTE]I have seen in many Bangkok taxis a printed tariff to most of the other cities in Thailand. It looked rather "official" (but one can never be sure of course) and the prices were quite reasonable and based upon a fixed price per km.
As reported by Stickboy ([URL]http://www.stickboybangkok.com/news/15-30-day-visa-exemption-stamps-suspended-at-thai-cambodian-border/[/URL]).
Thai immigration have suspended 15 and 30 day visa exemption stamps for foreigners coming into the country across the Cambodian border, effective immediately.
The news broke late on Friday night of changes to the rules and many reported on Saturday visa runners at Cambodia and Kanchanaburi border crossings were told if they left Thailand they could not re-enter the country on a visa exemption stamp.
Holders of valid Tourist Visas can still exit and re-enter to activate their second or third entries as normal. Holders of multiple entry visas are also unaffected by these new rules.
UPDATED: Today, Sunday 13th, Aranyaprathet, Ban Packard & Kanchanaburi border crossings were NOT allowing holders of valid visas to exit and re-enter.
The rumour is the restrictions will be lifted in a few days with new rules stating visitors can only stay a maximum of 90 days in a calendar year using visa exemption stamps.
Unfortunately there has been no official announcement from the immigration department but one would suspect the measures are a knee-jerk reaction to the recent exposure of corrupt immigration officers that came to light during the Bangkok bombing investigation.
No reports have emerged so far of any changes at the Malaysian or Laos border crossing checkpoints and it is business as usual at all international airports.
Would greatly appreciate any recommnedations for getting a suit stiched. There are so many shops around but would be nice to go to one that is credible. I have about 9 days more in Thailand and hope that that will be enough to get one stiched.
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Tptp76;1773632]Would greatly appreciate any recommnedations for getting a suit stiched. There are so many shops around but would be nice to go to one that is credible. I have about 9 days more in Thailand and hope that that will be enough to get one stiched.
Thanks![/QUOTE]There are hundreds of custom tailors throughout Bangkok, but the Monte Carlo Tailors and Narin Couture are two custom tailors that are highly rated:
Monte Carlo Tailors [URL]http://www.mctailor.com/[/URL].
Narin Couture [URL]http://www.narin-couture.com/home.html[/URL].
Many years ago, I made the mistake of buying several "custom" suits in Bangkok. I should of known better when the tailor shop's "high pressure" sales pitch made me feel like I was buying a used car. After I got home, buttons began to fall off; stitching began to unravel; fabric began to sag; etc. It was one of the most expensive and disappointing experience that I've had in Bangkok, but the blame was all on me. I wanted cheap; and I got cheap.
[QUOTE=Tptp76;1773632]Would greatly appreciate any recommnedations for getting a suit stiched. There are so many shops around but would be nice to go to one that is credible. I have about 9 days more in Thailand and hope that that will be enough to get one stiched.
Thanks![/QUOTE]"Tailor on Ten" also comes highly recommended. [URL]http://www.tailoronten.com/[/URL]. They are actually not on Sukhumvit Soi 10, but at the end of Sukhumvit Soi 8.
It takes about 5 days to get your suit ready and the quality is really top, but don't expect "cheap" here. Their shirts are also very nice, with mother of pearl buttons and stitched monogram if you wish.
[QUOTE=Tptp76;1773632]Would greatly appreciate any recommnedations for getting a suit stiched. There are so many shops around but would be nice to go to one that is credible. I have about 9 days more in Thailand and hope that that will be enough to get one stiched.
Thanks![/QUOTE]9 days is more than enough to get several custom made suits.
Had a couple handmade last year at Empire ([URL]http://www.theempiretailors.com/location.php[/URL]) and Narin ([URL]http://narin-couture.com/home.html[/URL]), my wife and colleagues said I looked younger!
[QUOTE=Tptp76;1773632]Would greatly appreciate any recommnedations for getting a suit stiched. There are so many shops around but would be nice to go to one that is credible. I have about 9 days more in Thailand and hope that that will be enough to get one stiched.
Thanks![/QUOTE]I've gone to and recommended Raja's Fashion at Nana Plaza for years. [URL]http://www.rajasfashions.com/[/URL] and also on tripadvisor. First suit has served me well for over 10 years, and have had several more since then. Shirts fit great, but I find his collars a little stiff. Bobby is manager / owner and is an international example of excellent customer service, greeting you with cold beer or gin and tonic while you pick style and material. Probably not the cheapest suit in Bangkok, but well worth it. He suggests 7 days for suit, but can turn it around in 3-4 if necessary. They used to be right at entrance of Nana Plaza (big plus, you could sneak out back door) but moved to exit of Nana BTS, sharing space with On 8 Hotel.
[QUOTE=Luckyguy7198;1773652]9 days is more than enough to get several custom made suits.
Had a couple handmade last year at Empire ([URL]http://www.theempiretailors.com/location.php[/URL]) and Narin ([URL]http://narin-couture.com/home.html[/URL]), my wife and colleagues said I looked younger![/QUOTE]These look like great tailors. I am sure it will vary based on fabric and styles, but approximately how much did your suits end up costing? Based on your discussions with the tailors, do you think it would be possible to have some made in about 4 days?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=ViajeroGringo;1773655]I've gone to and recommended Raja's Fashion at Nana Plaza for years. [URL]http://www.rajasfashions.com/[/URL] and also on tripadvisor. First suit has served me well for over 10 years, and have had several more since then. Shirts fit great, but I find his collars a little stiff. Bobby is manager / owner and is an international example of excellent customer service, greeting you with cold beer or gin and tonic while you pick style and material. Probably not the cheapest suit in Bangkok, but well worth it. He suggests 7 days for suit, but can turn it around in 3-4 if necessary. They used to be right at entrance of Nana Plaza (big plus, you could sneak out back door) but moved to exit of Nana BTS, sharing space with On 8 Hotel.[/QUOTE]Raja's is simply the best. Not the cheapest; just the best. Bobby will take good care of you.
SW4.
[QUOTE=Tptp76;1773632]Would greatly appreciate any recommnedations for getting a suit stiched. There are so many shops around but would be nice to go to one that is credible. I have about 9 days more in Thailand and hope that that will be enough to get one stiched.
Thanks![/QUOTE]Green Apple Tailors has been around for over 25 years. They are now located in the arcade section behind the Intercontinental Hotel. European customers are mostly Swiss and Germans. Lufthansa flight crews use him. Goes to Switzerland and Germany twice a year to meet customers and take orders.
Owner, Aroon Chokenana (aka Jerry).
InterContinental Hotel Bangkok Arcade, 973 Ploen Chit Road.
Tel no: 66 (0) 2 252 3191 or (0) 2 656 0172.
The express train is suspended indefinitely last I read. But the local doesn't take that much longer, maybe 15 minutes and is 1/3 the cost.
I have't seen long lines that didn't move in BKK in years. Either it was someone who hit rush hour or someone referring to DMK. It does seem DMK is a transportation disaster for arrivals.
[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1772903]To Sunlover.
Take the airport train is fastest if you don't have a lot of baggage city link take about 40 min to Markasan or Phayathai cost is 45 bht the express cost 150 bht only 30 min less stop and you can transfer to MRT at Markasan station or take a taxi to hotel.
Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]
That as I plan my next November trip (and seek up-to-date information) that the scope of this board is incredibly limited.
There just is nothing new. Mere amplification of tedious detail on a very limited number of places*. And the same is true of the web. Look up "Bangkok Massage Parlours. Top ten" - and all the reports cover virtually the same places. Night life reports are not just constrained to NEP, Soi Cowboy and Patong but also to the same three or four bars in each place. The same applies to Pattaya and Phuket.
* and excruitiatig arguments as to whether or not 'A' is a better lay than 'B. '
It is all a bit like country guide books. Each edition reinforces previous editions because visitors / reporters never get outside the places in the guide book.
I am deliberately making a list of places to avoid. And 'tho I may visit NEP and Soi Cowboy it will not be to any bars recommended here.
Time both locals and visitors "explored. ".
[QUOTE=Scorchin;1774279]That as I plan my next November trip (and seek up-to-date information) that the scope of this board is incredibly limited.
There just is nothing new. Mere amplification of tedious detail on a very limited number of places*
[/QUOTE]Hundred times this. There are very few posters (for instance ThatAsshole or Opebo) who occasionally bring us reports off the beaten track. Virtually nobody follows up on their exploits.
It would be nice if this website had the form of a wiki (sorted by area / town), so it's obvious which information is abundant and which is lacking, plus making it more worthwhile to fill in the details. In the current format, the often-discussed places tend to be discussed even more, and the oddball ones get ignored and buried even if somebody bothers to write a thorough high-quality report on them.
This is not only an issue with the Bangkok section, it's all over the site (also KL and Jakarta, for one).
[QUOTE=Bungaro;1773708]These look like great tailors. I am sure it will vary based on fabric and styles, but approximately how much did your suits end up costing? Based on your discussions with the tailors, do you think it would be possible to have some made in about 4 days?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Forgive me for the delayed response while I was bonking away in Pattaya.
4 days is possible but a suit fitted in quick time would look as much. One was almost 5. 5 K Baht and the other was a little under 7 K Baht last year.
I was reading the Stickman's Guide to Thailand, when I came across this rather obvious typo:
[URL]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/travel.html[/URL]
One phrase:
"This scam is widespread in Thailand and particularly prevalent on Patpong Beach in Phuket and in Pattaya. ".
Of course there is no Patpong beach in Phuket. It is Patong beach. Everyone knows that. LOL.
But Patpong appears so many times in the article. Famous for its night market.
Even for the experienced monger in Bangkok, there is still a baffling array of choices. Limited time, limited powers, limited money. What to do with each day?
Morning bars?
I would like to find a stunning girl with big tits a Soapy. La Belle maybe. Check Colonze 2 Upstairs, The Lord? Nuru bodyslides?
Oily Visits to some pretty girls? Maybe an A+ visit. Did not do that for a while.
My favourite bargirls? Try a Coyote?
Try an Escort if can find a good slim pretty one with no sillies?
I am not really asking for suggestions. I just show that with a confusing array of choices, decision is not easy.
Even when to try a new girl and when to repeat.
Some day must schedule a trip to Pattaya. I will be a complete newbie there LOL. I won't know what to pay.
One poster was critical of senior posters for reporting on known places, not really weird or new. Of course no one is employing us to try weird places, or places not our style. I don't like discos because they largely don't have music and what they is too loud for talking to be possible for me. It wastes too much time in the hunt as well, I think, and the hours are too late for me. I would prefer places with fabulous girl options at 10 AM or even earlier would be better.
At least whatever I try is not secret. I share anything learned, which may be of use to someone.
Might visit a friend in hospital today. She leads a normal life these days, and decided to get her silicones down sized. Less heavy and more comfortable. Another close friend got her silicones taken out recently. Her remaining be cup is a big improvement. She got a small nose reduction too, and actually looks quite stunning to my biased perspective (in her 30's). Meanwhile other girls I known with small tits are always talking about getting silicone. I try to talk them out of it. Silicones are just not special in any way to me. Boring stuff. Ging at Crazy House is special because she has very large well shaped naturals. Another new girl is tall curvy and big tits, but face did not really appeal to me. Big tits are just nice for a change for me. I do tiny tit girls regularly with no problem. As long as not saggy or ugly. There has to be more to a girl than just tits.
Mandarin (lower level) had an absolute stunner with reddish dark blonde hair Thursday night sitting with a guy. I could not tell if she worked there. He was frisky and at one point pulled her top down exposing nipples and most of her tits. Was hard to look away. She was a 10 out of 10 for me and I don't give 10's easily. Best looking Thai girl I have seen for years, starting with the face most important of all, but body excellent too. I might go back just to find out if she works there or was a visitor. Maybe a Coyote girl. Would be happy to pay double for a girl like that, just to try.
Confused mind of a monger. Lots of thoughts and priority conflicts floating through the brain. Other thoughts of giving up mongering. LOL How likely is that? Or at least cutting back, a lot. That notion severely conflicts with the "fear of missing out" imperative. What about the most stunning girls that I did not fuck yet, or only had once and crave for a 2nd go?
Fortunately I don't miss the plainer girls so badly, even with good performance. There is nothing preventing a wide selection of girls from performing very well. However very few will have the special looks. Nothing frustrates me more than the disappearance of favourite stunning girls that performed really great. Bubbly Bai Fern must have been gone for 2 years now, and only saw her 2 or 3 times. Can't forget her. Can't replace her. I still miss a stunning Greek-German girl Cindy I had 10 years ago, only once. 2nd day she came for me but I was too ill (food poisoning) to be able to do her again. A Tragedy. Is it a special monger's brain sickness to miss girls so badly? The emptiness feels similar to the death of a very close friend.
Maybe I am not a sex addict. I recently had no sex for 6 weeks. LOL Is that possible for a true sex addict? I guess sex is a minor addiction since don't absolutely have to have it. However it is a very strong motivator.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1779005]Even for the experienced monger in Bangkok, there is still a baffling array of choices. Limited time, limited powers, limited money. What to do with each day?
[/QUOTE]I think it is even a worse problem for the inexperienced monger.
On this and other similar fora, one regularly reads posts full of "missed opportunities".
Time and time again, a "good" catch was let go, in the hope of catching something "better" just around the corner. "She's nice, but maybe I'll find another one with bigger tits in the next bar" and the next one with bigger tits is discarded for someone "in the next club there may be one who will DFK more willingly".
Etc, etc. [I]ad nauseam[/I] and the monger ends up all frustrated, wasted, tired, out of money and totally disappointed. In that condition he grabs the next streetwalker that comes his way. Paying too much and falling asleep before anything fun happens.
In the bright morning light he discovers what a dog she really is, sends her away without a tip, starts up his laptop and writes an acrimonuous report on the forum, bitterly complaining about the lack of talent and how everything used to be better.
And yet, there are simple techniques to avoid all this frustration and still have a good chance to improve the odds and end up with someone that may not be the ultimate top, but will likely be a lot better than what the random fluctuations of the probability wave have thrown your way.
Ok so I have a few prospects lined up through TF and chatting with them line app thereafter. Most of them hint at sex themselves and want to meet up as soon as I land and want to spend the day with me.
Considering most of you guys are experts now on Thai girls, how do you generally dump them after you are done with them?
Most of the girls have come across as really jealous and possessive. I have no intention to keep one unless I know she's my type and doable again! So any pointers on how to let them go in best polite manner would be appreciated.
Also someone mentioned to slip in some cash in packet to most of them after the deed as pocket money, isn't that offensive?? I mean I don't want to bed someone and get whacked thereafter cause they think I just paid them for sex!
[QUOTE=HornyLandoora;1779250]Ok so I have a few prospects lined up through TF and chatting with them line app thereafter. Most of them hint at sex themselves and want to meet up as soon as I land and want to spend the day with me.
Considering most of you guys are experts now on Thai girls, how do you generally dump them after you are done with them?
Most of the girls have come across as really jealous and possessive. I have no intention to keep one unless I know she's my type and doable again! So any pointers on how to let them go in best polite manner would be appreciated.
Also someone mentioned to slip in some cash in packet to most of them after the deed as pocket money, isn't that offensive?? I mean I don't want to bed someone and get whacked thereafter cause they think I just paid them for sex![/QUOTE]That's why only dealing with professionals is so much easier: they understand you pay them to go away.
The whole problem is that with non-pro girls some personal interest will (almost) always enter into the relationship. Meeting them "in person" will only make it even more difficult.
Absolutely the first step is to avoid jealous and possessive girls. That way only lies trouble.
Probably the best procedure is to let the relationship fizzle out. After the night together, be very vague about your immediate plans so she cannot latch on to you (a meeting with another farang friend is always a good excuse). Do give her some money as a gift so she can buy something nice for her. If she is really a non-pro, 1000 to 1500 baht will already go a long way. From then on, answering slowly on her line-messages will surely gets the message across that you to will not become one item.
Of course, if you have made it clear from the very beginning that you are not looking for long time relationships, your task will be much easier. I always write in my profiles "looking for a companion when travelling through Thailand".
But if you made her believe you are a prime candidate for marriage, then you only deserve what you got yourself into!
[QUOTE=HornyLandoora;1779250]Ok so I have a few prospects lined up through TF and chatting with them line app thereafter. Most of them hint at sex themselves and want to meet up as soon as I land and want to spend the day with me.
Considering most of you guys are experts now on Thai girls, how do you generally dump them after you are done with them?
Most of the girls have come across as really jealous and possessive. I have no intention to keep one unless I know she's my type and doable again! So any pointers on how to let them go in best polite manner would be appreciated.
Also someone mentioned to slip in some cash in packet to most of them after the deed as pocket money, isn't that offensive?? I mean I don't want to bed someone and get whacked thereafter cause they think I just paid them for sex![/QUOTE]Although it is possible that some in your bunch may be on the game, why do you want to treat women who are not hookers that way when there are plenty of hookers around that you can pump and dump?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1779562]Although it is possible that some in your bunch may be on the game, why do you want to treat women who are not hookers that way when there are plenty of hookers around that you can pump and dump?[/QUOTE]It must give guys a very special feeling of conquest to fuck and dump girls. Personally I prefer to just pay the money with no guilt of having just used her as fuck. I am helping support them. They keep coming back so no conflict.
Last night was a funny one. I went to Mercury to see the bar girl (and the Coyote girl), intending to BF the bargirl and take her either ST or LT. I entertained the bargirl first, then while she was gogo dancing I "entertained" the Coyote girl. It was known I would not be able to fuck the Coyote girl. However seems the gogo girl (that I have known a long time) was miffed and she did not return to me, instead wasting time out the back changing room, and eventually moving on to some other customer. I was surprised that she would act "jealously" just because I was generous with buying drinks for some other pretty girl. When I asked her why she disappeared so long, she said she was "busy".
As a very non-jealous type of guy, I may have little appreciation of the feelings of girls, despite knowing the girl over 2 years. Maybe I misread her completely and something else was going on, like receiving a message from another customer, and too shy to tell me he was going get priority. I don't mind if girls just tell me. I can move on to something else. Not keen on just getting a distance silent treatment though.
3rd possibly is she had pains in lower regions. Again, if so, she could just tell me.
[QUOTE=HornyLandoora;1779250]Ok so I have a few prospects lined up through TF and chatting with them line app thereafter. Most of them hint at sex themselves and want to meet up as soon as I land and want to spend the day with me.
Considering most of you guys are experts now on Thai girls, how do you generally dump them after you are done with them?
Most of the girls have come across as really jealous and possessive. I have no intention to keep one unless I know she's my type and doable again! So any pointers on how to let them go in best polite manner would be appreciated.
Also someone mentioned to slip in some cash in packet to most of them after the deed as pocket money, isn't that offensive?? I mean I don't want to bed someone and get whacked thereafter cause they think I just paid them for sex![/QUOTE]Honestly, playing them with no intention of follow through, promising things that you will never deliver on, and dumping them after you get laid is quite awful. Guess you have very little respect for your fellow humans. Your actions really sour some gals on foreign guys. Be up front with them. Tell them your intentions. Really, you should be utilizing P4 P and not toying with women who may really be looking for a real relationship.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1779562]Although it is possible that some in your bunch may be on the game, why do you want to treat women who are not hookers that way when there are plenty of hookers around that you can pump and dump?[/QUOTE]I think for some guys it is important to feel like they "got game. " Never understood that and I always took it as a sign of insecurity. P4 P is great. It's a guilt free transaction for both parties.
It seems everyone read my post in a manner that am being the bad guy with pump and forget intention. I did mention that I intend to keep up with someone who is ultimately my type on long term basis.
Again to clarify, I have not promised anyone marriage nor a long term companionship just to get them laid. The girls on these apps have sent me their naked pics in just few hours of our interaction / chat so let me specify they definitely know what's in it for everyone involved. Although some did come across as really possessive and jealous with whom I tried to strike off at that instance. Somehow I didn't want any surprises after I meet them and face such a scenario where they latch on to me and don't let go. Yes I will enjoy the usual experience of bar girls, soapies and massages when there just like everyone else but if I can find a regular girl I don't think there is any harm. For people lecturing me on morality am sure there are many who have steady Gfs or wives back at home and still indulge in P4 P. I Am no different from the rest.
All I want to know was general advise on how to handle Thai girls as it is my first time with Thai non wgs and if you read all I asked was to know best way to not hurt them if things are not good enough for mE!
Peace out to all!
[QUOTE=HornyLandoora;1779601]It seems everyone read my post as my way of being the bad guy with pump and forget intention. I did mention that I intend to keep up with someone who is ultimately my type on long term basis
Peace out to all![/QUOTE]Do not worry. There are many who do not have enough to do other than to criticise. If you run back just ten pages on one thread you will find that one member has posted nearly 30 posts.
Unless you lapse into totally bureaucratic language dotting all the "I's" and crossing all the "t's" someone will make every effort to misinterpret what you say.
Carry on providing interesting and helpful posts.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1779555]That's why only dealing with professionals is so much easier: they understand you pay them to go away.
Probably the best procedure is to let the relationship fizzle out. After the night together, be very vague about your immediate plans so she cannot latch on to you (a meeting with another farang friend is always a good excuse). Do give her some money as a gift so she can buy something nice for her. If she is really a non-pro, 1000 to 1500 baht will already go a long way. From then on, answering slowly on her line-messages will surely gets the message across that you to will not become one item.
But if you made her believe you are a prime candidate for marriage, then you only deserve what you got yourself into![/QUOTE]Thanks. I get the point and I have not made such promises nor I live in BKK and visit only a couple of times a year. I was just trying to understand how Generally Thai girls are in such matters! I don't want one to bed and then she starts contemplating marriage after that!
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1779583] <SNIP>
. . . .I don't mind if girls just tell me. I can move on to something else. Not keen on just getting a distance silent treatment though. [/QUOTE]This line made me laugh Syz.
You are talking about my ex-wife, and probably a few million other "western" women who presume that men are able to read what is in their heads every moment of every day.
[QUOTE=HornyLandoora;1779601]It seems everyone read my post in a manner that am being the bad guy with pump and forget intention. I did mention that I intend to keep up with someone who is ultimately my type on long term basis![/QUOTE]Yeh, great if you can find girls who want you, just for the sex. There must be a higher percentage of girls looking for a long term boyfriend, I am guessing (no expert). Why would young pretty girls want an old guy like me? Even if horny, what would make them pick me for a try out on the bed? I was surprised when a 35 year old stylish type of Thai girl (Isaan) was interested in me just after breaking up with her former BF. Or could be she just pretended. Messaged me every day (which is no proof). LOL Has two kids already, so that may limit her opportunities for a young new man. Told me that one Farang fell for her (supposedly) within just 4 weeks, but he wasn't her type. Said he tended to act like he was superior and "god's gift" so that the girl should be in love with him too. LOL She indicated she orgasms with really great difficulty (only occasionally), so perhaps his sexual performance wasn't good enough too. (she did not mention this. I only speculate) LOL. Unfortunately for her, I have not left my existing GF who is both slightly prettier and better body as well. I paid her for sex. Was good but I was not immediately spellbound. She can try heaps of guys and see if she can find a really good guy.
Lets be clear. Thai girls that start hooking (P4 P), can be looking for a permanent man too. In the meantime getting money to support the kids, and some good sex (some bad sex). Some guys think a hooker never enjoys it. LOL That really is a funny thought for me. Some don't. Some can, especially after a few "leg openers", they can forget themselves and get carried away. Recently had a couple of working girls who could even orgasm fairly easily in mish position. Okay One had had no sex for quite a period beforehand. The other, Mai at Can Cam, just a very sensitive girl.
I would guess that of the guys in my home country with a Thai wife, perhaps 50% of these wives were once P4P to some extent. Some of these relationships work out in the long term. Some don't. Just the same as the non P4P Thai wives don't always work out either. Are the odds any better? I don't know.
I believe it is very unwise to pick up any girlfriend too quickly, and sexual compatibility is an important factor. Not a great Idea to go looking for a girlfriend. Looking for good sex makes more sense.
Some of us ISGers have a wife or GF, that we might need to ditch, much more importantly than getting a new GF or extra GF. In this case, P4 P is the better option to fill in the gaps in sex life. For single guys unattached, playing the field is normal, I guess. Unfortunately, I have never been totally single (no girlfriend) for more than 1 year maximum. Stupid man, that I am. LOL. Tend to pick up girlfriends accidentally without exactly meaning too. That is why P4 P is a much better plan for some of us.
Hats off to guys out there who can find a gik girl that wants to keep on fucking them regularly with no strings (not a girlfriend) and no payment or support. At my age, I think this is a bit unrealistic for me, especially as my preference is for rather pretty girls well below my age. There is/are girl(s) who would like me to be their permanent man, but that is different. That is relatively easy to find in Thailand. So many girls out there want/need a good man. It's not just wanting a gik fuck though. I know more than one guy who met his future wife on his first day in Thailand. LOL The girl sees a man unattached, can't believe her luck, and just pounces. The man is overwhelmed and can't escape.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1779691]I believe it is very unwise to pick up any girlfriend too quickly, and sexual compatibility is an important factor. Not a great Idea to go looking for a girlfriend. Looking for good sex makes more sense.[/QUOTE]Sexual attraction fades for both partners in just about all relationships; compatibility in other areas is far more important. I can go out and get laid whenever I want to. Meeting someone I really get on with is special. I've been with my gal for over 8 years. Sex is a rare event and that does not bother either one of us. We still have a great if not better time together now then we did when we first me. Our personalities are complimentary. We have very similar senses of humor, are both not jealous types, and not touchy feely romantics. Hell she even has one more advanced degree than I do. Over the 8 years together I think we have raised our voices to each other 2 or three times. Its great. We both enjoy out time together. As far as sex is concerned if she goes out and gets laid, so what? If she does, she is discreet as am I. So, no harm no foul.
It's kind of the "Asian" way. People here compartmentalize their lives. I think there is some wisdom in that. Gals who might make good long term partners might not be the best sexual partners and vice versa. Westerners tend to have the romantic notion that you can find everything you want in one person. Asians tend to know better.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1779691]Yeh, great if you can find girls who want you, just for the sex. There must be a higher percentage of girls looking for a long term boyfriend, I am guessing (no expert). Why would young pretty girls want an old guy like me? Even if horny, what would make them pick me for a try out on the bed? I was surprised when a 35 year old stylish type of Thai girl (Isaan) was interested in me just after breaking up with her former BF. Or could be she just pretended. Messaged me every day (which is no proof). LOL Has two kids already, so that may limit her opportunities for a young new man.
[/QUOTE]Things that limit a Thai girl's chances on the marriage market are:
* over 30.
* previous marriage.
* children.
* having her own job, especially when she also holds a degree.
Many of these ladies are on TF and clearly mention "if you are looking for holiday GF, search next profile". The market of (older) farangs seems to be their major hope.
It is funny to note that few are looking for guys younger than themselves. That is something that is "not done" in their culture perhaps?
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1779971]Things that limit a Thai girl's chances on the marriage market are:
* over 30.
* previous marriage.
* children.
* having her own job, especially when she also holds a degree.
Many of these ladies are on TF and clearly mention "if you are looking for holiday GF, search next profile". The market of (older) farangs seems to be their major hope.
It is funny to note that few are looking for guys younger than themselves. That is something that is "not done" in their culture perhaps?[/QUOTE]I've met a few girls off off DIA, TF and PinaLove and bedded them all on the first meeting. I would agree with all of your points except the I'm not a 'holiday GF' disclaimer. Putting that in her profile allows her some cover should it be seen by friends or family. Any girl that wants to meet on arrival or wants to plan an entire day with you is flying UTR. I prefer to think of them as Sugar Babys, girls that are willing to provide what we need, but can't or don't want to be seen in a typical monger spot. These girls have a regular life but need some help when the bills come due. Maintaining the illusion of no P4 P is very important to them but they always appreciate a generous travel allowance or gift for their next shopping trip. It's important to be sensitive to their needs concerning these 'little white lies'. As long as I'm getting laid, I could care less. The advantage to me is that these girls tend to be low mileage and less jaded than their more professional counterparts.
[QUOTE=JoshInyu;1780080]These girls have a regular life but need some help when the bills come due.
The advantage to me is that these girls tend to be low mileage and less jaded than their more professional counterparts.[/QUOTE]I have to agree 100% with you here Josh. A few days back I had recounted an experience in BKK. The thread is here.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1776013[/URL]#post1776013.
The point I am making it such girls could bump into you on the street or in a mall or in a restaurant or in the sky train or even inside a temple. One needs to be always alert to opportunity and never feel shy about asking. What's the worst possible outcome? Hearing "No"?
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1779914]Sexual attraction fades for both partners in just about all relationships; compatibility in other areas is far more important. I can go out and get laid whenever I want to. Meeting someone I really get on with is special. I've been with my gal for over 8 years. Sex is a rare event and that does not bother either one of us. We still have a great if not better time together now then we did when we first me. Our personalities are complimentary. We have very similar senses of humor, are both not jealous types, and not touchy feely romantics. Hell she even has one more advanced degree than I do. Over the 8 years together I think we have raised our voices to each other 2 or three times. Its great. We both enjoy out time together. As far as sex is concerned if she goes out and gets laid, so what? If she does, she is discreet as am I. So, no harm no foul.
It's kind of the "Asian" way. People here compartmentalize their lives. I think there is some wisdom in that. Gals who might make good long term partners might not be the best sexual partners and vice versa. Westerners tend to have the romantic notion that you can find everything you want in one person. Asians tend to know better.[/QUOTE]I have GF 10 years now. Sex is not quite rare but not often enough. I am am not at all bored to fuck her. Always fun. I would like to get it 4 times a week when in Thailand or more but don't get that much. Hence haven't managed to cut the mongering.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1780120]I have GF 10 years now. Sex is not quite rare but not often enough. I am am not at all bored to fuck her. Always fun. I would like to get it 4 times a week when in Thailand or more but don't get that much. Hence haven't managed to cut the mongering.[/QUOTE]I can stay interested in P4 P gals because I only repeat about every six weeks. Usually no matter how good looking or skilled a gal is I only want to do her every month or so.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1780085]I have to agree 100% with you here Josh. A few days back I had recounted an experience in BKK. The thread is here.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1776013[/URL]#post1776013.
The point I am making it such girls could bump into you on the street or in a mall or in a restaurant or in the sky train or even inside a temple. One needs to be always alert to opportunity and never feel shy about asking. What's the worst possible outcome? Hearing "No"?[/QUOTE]Yes BC, your report is a great example of 'freestyling' which is finding and taking advantage of a target of opportunity in the wild. While not common, being vigilant and open to the opportunity when it presents itself is essential. Having just a little bit of game helps as well but you don't need to be Casanova. Dressing nicely, being well groomed and treating them with a modicum of respect will increase your chances of success. Mongers are unlikely to be able to play in this pool if they're wearing flip-flops and a wife beater or you treat them like a girl you pulled off the stage in RB4. I like the less transactional feel of these types of encounters but I don't delude myself into thinking she would be in my bed sans the prospect of being rewarded.
Everyone is different, but a mix of chat girls, pro's, massage girls, and the occasional freestyler works well for me.
[QUOTE=JoshInyu;1780343]Yes BC, your report is a great example of 'freestyling' which is finding and taking advantage of a target of opportunity in the wild. While not common, being vigilant and open to the opportunity when it presents itself is essential. Having just a little bit of game helps as well but you don't need to be Casanova. Dressing nicely, being well groomed and treating them with a modicum of respect will increase your chances of success.[/QUOTE]I love reading these stories, and I have related several similar experiences (mostly in Philippines and Vientiane / Luang Prabang, Laos but also occasionally in Bangkok).
It is best never to go out EXPECTING a chance meeting like has been described in BC and JoshInyu's posts WILL happen but, as Josh points out,[I] while not common, being vigilant and open to the opportunity when it presents itself is essential. [/I].
In my experience, if I go out alone with the specific intention of having a good dinner and NOT seeking a companion, I can be reasonably sure that someone will pop up unexpectedly out of the woodwork.
Hello guys,
I am sorry if this question is out of place but I am planning to travel to Thai next month. I am planning to carry my tobacco smoking pipe and some tobacco. I needed to know if smoking a pipe is allowed and more importantly is carrying one to Thailand is allowed? Do we have any other pipe smokers here on the forum?
I have lived in Bangkok for several years now. Spent the last few months mining the "normal" girl scene via Date In Asia, Thai Friendly, and Thai Cupid. For me, it is hard to ignore the following observations after meeting dozens of women from those sites. Of course, there will be the rare exception. The extremely rare exception:
1. She will rarely look as young and attractive as her best photo. Count on her looking older and heavier than her worst photo.
2. The age range requests (of you) on her profile don't mean much. If you are smiling sincerely in your photo, you could be 10-15 years older than her highest age request, say so on your profile, and she will still contact you.
3. No matter what she tells you once you have moved on to the Line / What's App correspondence stage, she will probably hop into bed with you after a single dinner meeting anyway.
4. She probably won't be very good in bed.
5. If a woman is still getting that side-long glance from men standing next to her on an elevator, a vibe that say, "hmm. You look good", she will probably NOT be on a dating site trying to get strange men to tell her how beautiful / cute / attractive she is. She is already getting that "fix" in the real world and, naturally, would be more interested in getting out there in the real world to continue triggering that response in men than sit in a room alone clicking on a keyboard to scrounge it up. The women you meet on those dating sites are generally a couple of years past the expiration date on triggering that vibe from men in the real world for various reasons. And that is why they have turned to the dating site as a source for it.
5. 1. If your immediate response when you get a first face-to-face meeting with a woman is, "Gee, she so attractive, I wonder why she needs to go on a dating site to find a man. ", you have probably met a woman with a plan to bamboozle you out of as much "emergency" rent, phone bill, electric bill, medical bill expenses as possible before you catch on and dump her. That doesn't mean that you can't instead work out an ersatz P4P relationship with the "student" or the "single mom" that is perfectly rewarding for both of you for a while. I have converted a couple of those into fun times for me. But it will still come down to you paying her for sex and probably quite a bit more in the long run than if you had just gone to a go-go bar to meet a hottie.
[QUOTE=LoverboyJerico;1780459]Hello guys,
I am sorry if this question is out of place but I am planning to travel to Thai next month. I am planning to carry my tobacco smoking pipe and some tobacco. I needed to know if smoking a pipe is allowed and more importantly is carrying one to Thailand is allowed? Do we have any other pipe smokers here on the forum?[/QUOTE]I don't smoke at all, but one of my friends living in Thailand is a pipe smoker here, so, I guess that it's allowed.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1779971]Things that limit a Thai girl's chances on the marriage market are:
* over 30.
* previous marriage.
* children.
* having her own job, especially when she also holds a degree.[/QUOTE]My ex girlfriend in Bangkok had her own taxi. Another reason she told me why she could not get a Thai guy is because she was too tall. I am 5'9" (1.75 m) and she was about the same height as me.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;1780483]I have lived in Bangkok for several years now. Spent the last few months mining the "normal" girl scene via Date In Asia, Thai Friendly, and Thai Cupid. For me, it is hard to ignore the following observations after meeting dozens of women from those sites. Of course, there will be the rare exception. The extremely rare exception:
1. She will rarely look as young and attractive as her best photo. Count on her looking older and heavier than her worst photo.
2. The age range requests (of you) on her profile don't mean much. If you are smiling sincerely in your photo, you could be 10-15 years older than her highest age request, say so on your profile, and she will still contact you.
3. No matter what she tells you once you have moved on to the Line / What's App correspondence stage, she will probably hop into bed with you after a single dinner meeting anyway.
4. She probably won't be very good in bed.
5. If a woman is still getting that side-long glance from men standing next to her on an elevator, a vibe that say, "hmm. You look good", she will probably NOT be on a dating site trying to get strange men to tell her how beautiful / cute / attractive she is. She is already getting that "fix" in the real world and, naturally, would be more interested in getting out there in the real world to continue triggering that response in men than sit in a room alone clicking on a keyboard to scrounge it up. The women you meet on those dating sites are generally a couple of years past the expiration date on triggering that vibe from men in the real world for various reasons. And that is why they have turned to the dating site as a source for it.
5. 1. If your immediate response when you get a first face-to-face meeting with a woman is, "Gee, she so attractive, I wonder why she needs to go on a dating site to find a man. ", you have probably met a woman with a plan to bamboozle you out of as much "emergency" rent, phone bill, electric bill, medical bill expenses as possible before you catch on and dump her. That doesn't mean that you can't instead work out an ersatz P4P relationship with the "student" or the "single mom" that is perfectly rewarding for both of you for a while. I have converted a couple of those into fun times for me. But it will still come down to you paying her for sex and probably quite a bit more in the long run than if you had just gone to a go-go bar to meet a hottie.[/QUOTE]I agree with most of your points, but my own experience has been different on points 3 and 4. Usually, I don't score on the first date with women that I meet via those websites, but surprisingly, most of them are better than expected between the sheets (maybe my expectations were lower than yours, though).
[QUOTE=Goyave;1780630]I agree with most of your points, but my own experience has been different on points 3 and 4. Usually, I don't score on the first date with women that I meet via those websites, but surprisingly, most of them are better than expected between the sheets (maybe my expectations were lower than yours, though).[/QUOTE]Or maybe the ones who were hot to hop into bed with me after the first dinner date weren't very good and if I'd hung in there for the tiny percentage who weren't up for a stay-over even after the second dinner date they would have been worth the wait. Haha. I'll never know. After the second date and no romance, I leave it up to the lady to make the next graphic invitation, which in those cases never came. But a couple of those are still Lining me about all kinds of other day-to-day nonsense. I assume they are women who really want pen pals, not bed mates. Not with me, at least.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;1780483]She is already getting that "fix" in the real world and, naturally, would be more interested in getting out there in the real world to continue triggering that response in men than sit in a room alone clicking on a keyboard to scrounge it up. The women you meet on those dating sites are generally a couple of years past the expiration date on triggering that vibe from men in the real world for various reasons.[/QUOTE]2002 called and said to leave it out of this. Man this is 2015. People no longer need to sit in a room alone on a keyboard. Everyone has a smart phone. And said smart phones have applications such as instagram where women like to put up their pictures and trigger that response from a multitude of men. Said smart phones also have applications such as tinder that is used by people trying to hook up. So the days of thinking someone would not be online looking to hook up if they were this, that, or the other have long passed. Now it is actually built into the culture and a way of life to find people this way no matter how one looks or what reactions they are able to trigger in the real world.
[QUOTE=Goyave;1780630]I agree with most of your points, but my own experience has been different on points 3 and 4. Usually, I don't score on the first date with women that I meet via those websites, but surprisingly, most of them are better than expected between the sheets (maybe my expectations were lower than yours, though).[/QUOTE]I think I have scored on the first date more times than not. But like you said I do not go into anything with any expectations. I am just trying to have a good time and meet new people.
To me it goes right along with one of the best posts I have ever seen.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1779051]On this and other similar fora, one regularly reads posts full of "missed opportunities".
Time and time again, a "good" catch was let go, in the hope of catching something "better" just around the corner. "She's nice, but maybe I'll find another one with bigger tits in the next bar" and the next one with bigger tits is discarded for someone "in the next club there may be one who will DFK more willingly".
Etc, etc. [I]ad nauseam[/I] and the monger ends up all frustrated, wasted, tired,.[/QUOTE]
What the fuck is it that guys are looking for? I rarely go into a place and see a woman I would not fuck. All of this the quality is low or not what it used to be at such and such place. I guess I neither have the high expectations nor the high standards as many guys. I can go in a place (or on a website), have a good time, and find someone to fuck with the least thought of what may be around the next corner. Doesn't matter anyway. No matter what girl you have, you are always going to see something better. But when you don't have a girl you can never be satisfied by what is available?
Guys,
Will be in BKK in less than 36 hours from now. Could you guys recommend a nice Breakfast place around Adelphi Suites.
Thank you.
AR.
[QUOTE=Arjun31;1780723]Guys,
Will be in BKK in less than 36 hours from now. Could you guys recommend a nice Breakfast place around Adelphi Suites.
Thank you.
AR.[/QUOTE]The Monsoon Cafe in Adelphi Suites serves good continental breakfast. I took the breakfast included with room rent package, the last time I stayed here. If you are looking for Indian food, then there is India Today restaurant at the T point on Suk road where Soi 8 begins (this is a little expensive option) and another is in the first alley on the left hand side from the the point Soi 8 begins.
[QUOTE=LoverboyJerico;1780459]Hello guys,
I am sorry if this question is out of place but I am planning to travel to Thai next month. I am planning to carry my tobacco smoking pipe and some tobacco. I needed to know if smoking a pipe is allowed and more importantly is carrying one to Thailand is allowed? Do we have any other pipe smokers here on the forum?[/QUOTE]This is Thailand, not Singapore! LOL.
On the street or even in open bars, nobody will mind if you smoke your pipe. Just make sure it is real tobacco you are smoking and not some kind of strange weed.
And of course, don't smoke inside someones house, in a temple, in a shopping mall, an office, a restaurant, . . .
[QUOTE=Arjun31;1780723]Guys,
Will be in BKK in less than 36 hours from now. Could you guys recommend a nice Breakfast place around Adelphi Suites.
Thank you.
AR.[/QUOTE]Dream Hotel Breakfast Buffet on Soi 15, across Sukhumvit Rd.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1780639]2002 called and said to leave it out of this. Man this is 2015. People no longer need to sit in a room alone on a keyboard. Everyone has a smart phone. And said smart phones have applications such as instagram where women like to put up their pictures and trigger that response from a multitude of men. Said smart phones also have applications such as tinder that is used by people trying to hook up. So the days of thinking someone would not be online looking to hook up if they were this, that, or the other have long passed. Now it is actually built into the culture and a way of life to find people this way no matter how one looks or what reactions they are able to trigger in the real world.[/QUOTE]Nice update on what has happened since 2002. But Instagram and Tinder are not the sites I was referring to or from which the women I spoke of and met were found. The profile set ups and pleas for personal attention and detailed response is much more of a commitment on the sites I referred to than on Instagram or Tinder. It wasn't about women who sit in bars getting hit on by men all night while their eyes are trained on their smartphones trying to hook up with another one who just tapped into Tinder 5 seconds ago.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;1780483]I have lived in Bangkok for several years now. Spent the last few months mining the "normal" girl scene via Date In Asia, Thai Friendly, and Thai Cupid. For me, it is hard to ignore the following observations after meeting dozens of women from those sites. Of course, there will be the rare exception. The extremely rare exception:
1. She will rarely look as young and attractive as her best photo. Count on her looking older and heavier than her worst photo.
2. The age range requests (of you) on her profile don't mean much. If you are smiling sincerely in your photo, you could be 10-15 years older than her highest age request, say so on your profile, and she will still contact you.
3. No matter what she tells you once you have moved on to the Line / What's App correspondence stage, she will probably hop into bed with you after a single dinner meeting anyway.
4. She probably won't be very good in bed.
5. If a woman is still getting that side-long glance from men standing next to her on an elevator, a vibe that say, "hmm. You look good", she will probably NOT be on a dating site trying to get strange men to tell her how beautiful / cute / attractive she is. She is already getting that "fix" in the real world and, naturally, would be more interested in getting out there in the real world to continue triggering that response in men than sit in a room alone clicking on a keyboard to scrounge it up. The women you meet on those dating sites are generally a couple of years past the expiration date on triggering that vibe from men in the real world for various reasons. And that is why they have turned to the dating site as a source for it.
5. 1. If your immediate response when you get a first face-to-face meeting with a woman is, "Gee, she so attractive, I wonder why she needs to go on a dating site to find a man. ", you have probably met a woman with a plan to bamboozle you out of as much "emergency" rent, phone bill, electric bill, medical bill expenses as possible before you catch on and dump her. That doesn't mean that you can't instead work out an ersatz P4P relationship with the "student" or the "single mom" that is perfectly rewarding for both of you for a while. I have converted a couple of those into fun times for me. But it will still come down to you paying her for sex and probably quite a bit more in the long run than if you had just gone to a go-go bar to meet a hottie.[/QUOTE]ET,
I don't have this experience, as have a long term GF, but it all makes logical sense and it seems very believable. Its like everything you say is what I would probably guess to be the case, except maybe I would expect less girls to be willing to fuck straight away and more girls to have more old fashioned values, even though using a very modern approach to dating.
I recently met a classy looking girl that broke up with her man not long, and initially supposedly was not fucking anyone for a period of time. Sent me plenty of messages, and eventually we got to bed. She was enthusiastic, but was a girl very hard to cum indeed. I had to work real hard to get her there. Extremely long DATY was needed, maybe over 30 minutes. She said her previous Farang BF never made her cum at all.
In the end, I thought, Gee my girlfriend has been treating me better lately (more sex and no arguments), cums easy like a steam train (no stopping her), and is actually better looking than the other girl in both face and body. Every day that my GF fucks me, I don't need to go out and get something else. Sex with GF is not boring after 10 years, is bareback of course, just can be infrequent at times. Never need to use any Viagra with this girl. She is a big turn on. Sometimes she even lets me have a sexy shower with her. Soaped each other up today (but don't get this too often).
Any time I want to monger, I want something quick and easy (meaning not too long lead time) with condom, but I don't want to step down in looks quality from the GF. I really think Dating Apps are not for me. I need to see the real thing in the flesh preferably naked, for a time before choosing was is really hot and pretty, and exciting me.
I guess seeing girl live on LINE App video would be the thing to see what the girl really looks like, right? Does this normally happen.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1781548]I guess seeing girl live on LINE App video would be the thing to see what the girl really looks like, right? Does this normally happen.[/QUOTE]Unless I am missing something there is no live video on Line. You need Skype, Tango, or Viber for that. I don't ask to see a girl on video first. I am usually on the fly and don't have time for such things anyway. But there are different strokes for different folks. My girlfriend sends me pictures everyday whether I am in town or not. She will leave my place and go to work and send pictures. And I am thinking why do you send all these damn pictures everyday. Of course I would not say that to her though. That is her thing so I just let it be.
You also have to remember that a video only tells part of the story. For one you really can't see if someone has fucked up teeth. You also can not tell little weird stuff about folks that you may be sensitive to.
I was dating a girl in Barranquilla, Colombia and one of her friends met an Australian guy online. They professed their love for each other and the guy soon went off to the boring city of Barranquilla. Well what he did not know from the video is that there was something wrong with the way this girl walked. Lo and behold, he ended up not being in love with her after all and spent most of his trip without her after meeting in person.
Well since I brought this topic up everyone has had a say so far which has been informative and added to a general understanding. I have been on TF over the past one week or so and probably have had around 30 girls respond to me from various age groups. Just to clarify I am fairly young in my early 30's. I have not actually met any of these girls yet. I would meet probably only 3 or 4 of them when I visit next. The average age of the girls I have interacted with is 25. I know a girl even whose 19 and a lady of 38!
I have been chatting with them on Line APP and they have been sending me their photographs. I have had a video chat with some of them on Line as well. Majority of these girls use filters in their pics and touch up through some apps to hide their blemishes or look fair or better. So as some one said they might not actually look 100% as their pics when you meet them but by no means are they ugly. They just want too look too good I suppose. The safest bet is to do a video chat and you would get a fair idea of how they look in real or just ask for a selfie on the spot without any filters if you have doubts. Although nothing is really 100% till you meet them which you have to accept as part of these apps.
I made it clear to all of them that I don't live in Thailand nor am I looking for a thai wife. I am just looking for friends and companions. By companion I don't mean a sex buddy or paying them off for service. So they know upfront what they are getting into and things with me might not be really serious.
What I get out of chatting with few of them over the past few days is that there is some fascination with farangs that these women have which brings them to TF. Surely some are looking for money or a sugar daddy but some of them are actually looking to have a good experience as well with someone who they can relate to. Some of them are looking for husbands and settle down.
Majority of girls I interacted with are cute and they are well settled in their work field, as they say, so its not that all are gold diggers. Some are bored with thai men and believe they can get a Farang to actually please or woo them them probably by being more charming as they see in Romantic movies and also making passionate love which they might have seen in porn. Strangely two or three of them they are fascinated with size of cocks as probably Thai men are not well endowed (no offense).
As for intimacy, infact most of them have send me their naked pics and hot pics just after a day or two of chatting so I have no doubt that probably after a date I can take them straight to the room. I am not a casanova so I feel that most of them are also horny and just want to have a good time if they seem to like a guy. Maybe not really a one night stand but somewhat the friend with benefit concept. Yes I can't comment that what would happen after I actually sleep with one as that has not happened yet. But someone said they would then probably use that to their advantage and show their colors by asking for help but It is how smart you are to tackle such situation.
All in all it depends what one is looking for. Someone pointed out that as is human nature that you would probably leave one anticipating a better one to look out for next. I feel So this applies to the girls as well and I am sure if I am chatting to 30 girls at one go then she might also be chatting to 10 guys by keeping her option open.
Some people have fallen for Bar girls even and we have read about the experiences of how the girls use this to their advantage. Well, with things not so good in Thailand at present with the economy one can't blame an average Thai girl / lady if she's trying to use TF to really get what she wants! If you find love out of this, it is good but there is no harm in also finding a friend whom you can spend some time with and enjoy if you wish. This could also be risky if you are married or going steady with a GF as these girls can be demanding for your time and attention on the APP by messaging you and probably if this is not your cup of tea, then as we know there are thousands of girls who will simply do you for money at various parlours, soapies or clubs without the whole routine.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1781631]Unless I am missing something there is no live video on Line.[/QUOTE]LINE gives you the option of making a call or a video call. I've had several video calls with a girl I met last trip while I've been home.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1781631]Unless I am missing something there is no live video on Line. You need Skype, Tango, or Viber for that. I don't ask to see a girl on video first. I am usually on the fly and don't have time for such things anyway. But there are different strokes for different folks. My girlfriend sends me pictures everyday whether I am in town or not. She will leave my place and go to work and send pictures. And I am thinking why do you send all these damn pictures everyday. Of course I would not say that to her though. That is her thing so I just let it be.
You also have to remember that a video only tells part of the story. For one you really can't see if someone has fucked up teeth. You also can not tell little weird stuff about folks that you may be sensitive to.
I was dating a girl in Barranquilla, Colombia and one of her friends met an Australian guy online. They professed their love for each other and the guy soon went off to the boring city of Barranquilla. Well what he did not know from the video is that there was something wrong with the way this girl walked. Lo and behold, he ended up not being in love with her after all and spent most of his trip without her after meeting in person.[/QUOTE]For one, LINE does have video call facility. And I totally agree with you that many of us may not have the time or inclination to indulge in such activities as check photos carefully for flaws or watch videos in HD for any potential surprises. One has to remember that the girl will also be putting up her best act when she is sending a pic or getting on a video call. Don't we do it at a conference call?
The videos and pics give you an added sense of security that you "know" the girl you are about to meet. But nothing can replace the actual time spent in the interview or the first date (I may call that a date).
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1781631]Unless I am missing something there is no live video on Line.
I was dating a girl in Barranquilla, Colombia and one of her friends met an Australian guy online. They professed their love for each other and the guy soon went off to the boring city of Barranquilla. Well what he did not know from the video is that there was something wrong with the way this girl walked. Lo and behold, he ended up not being in love with her after all and spent most of his trip without her after meeting in person.[/QUOTE]Sure LINE has Video Call where What's App does not. LINE video is clearer than Skype if have a good connection but seems to stop or drop out more often than Skype. Skype uses heavy Gigabytes.
I don't see why would not see the teeth, maybe not in sharp focus. Amazing teeth is not that important to me, although my GF coincidentally has reasonably nice looking teeth.
Anyone that "falls in love" online is pretty dumb IMHO, and anyone in love after just a few weeks is also kidding themselves. Could be totalling sexually incompatible for example. Some of my relationships failed due to sexual incompatibility. Don't see that a strange walk is the most important aspect at all. I believe I would take a girl with a limp no problem if everything else was great. I don't know any stunning girls with a limp so it's a bit academic. I have met a girl with some major non-perfection that did not put me off at all.
Anyone that falls in love very quickly will also fall out of love very quickly. It's not "real" for me. Fast love is for young people I guess. Last time I was starting to fall for a girl after a few months including fabulous sex, it wasn't too devastating that she found another younger and richer man. Obviously I wasn't too far gone on her, even she was very special. We are still in contact and I still feel a lot of desire for her, just not to a crazy level. If she becomes unsatisfied with her new "husband", I am still around. LOL.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1781548]ET,
I don't have this experience, as have a long term GF, but it all makes logical sense and it seems very believable. Its like everything you say is what I would probably guess to be the case, except maybe I would expect less girls to be willing to fuck straight away and more girls to have more old fashioned values, even though using a very modern approach to dating.
I recently met a classy looking girl that broke up with her man not long, and initially supposedly was not fucking anyone for a period of time. Sent me plenty of messages, and eventually we got to bed. She was enthusiastic, but was a girl very hard to cum indeed. I had to work real hard to get her there. Extremely long DATY was needed, maybe over 30 minutes. She said her previous Farang BF never made her cum at all.
In the end, I thought, Gee my girlfriend has been treating me better lately (more sex and no arguments), cums easy like a steam train (no stopping her), and is actually better looking than the other girl in both face and body. Every day that my GF fucks me, I don't need to go out and get something else. Sex with GF is not boring after 10 years, is bareback of course, just can be infrequent at times. Never need to use any Viagra with this girl. She is a big turn on. Sometimes she even lets me have a sexy shower with her. Soaped each other up today (but don't get this too often)..[/QUOTE]Syzygies,
I can relate to the occasional hard labor cum girl. Although I would bet, like me, you have found that is somewhat rare with Thai girls. But it does happen. Have you noticed how relatively easy it is for Thai girls to cum compared with Western girls? Especially when we DATY? But at a certain point with some women, we just have to let it go and accept the fact that, after we have tried virtually every trick in the book, given her a variety of techniques in terms of DATY, fingers, toes, boom-boom from this or that angle for this long or this deep and the opposite of all of that, all the while being especially attentive to signs of encouragement for this way or resistance to that way, in the end the woman's orgasm is her responsibility, not ours. If there is a magic button to push a certain way for a certain amount of time, she will simply have to declassify those state secrets. We love to deliver orgasms and do our best to deliver them exquisitely. But if it just isn't in the woman to orgasm in the presence of another person, or ever, it is best to stop trying and leave it to her to deal with, which she may never bother to do.
Funny thing is, a couple of the absolute most devoted and loving women I have ever been with are two that I more or less gave up trying to make cum. One is a girl I see quite often. She is always smiling, always happy, great fun to be with, pleasures me to perfection orally, boom boom, any way I want. She Line's me multiple times per day, is always there for me at the drop of a hint I'd like to see her. Yet she is one of the most non orgasmic women I have ever known. And she seems delighted to have it that way and make it all about my pleasure instead. Well. OK. All good.
On your question about video chats on Line normally happening or not, I would say it is more common for the girl to request an on-the-spot photo of me rather than video. Although the video chat does happen occasionally. I think Thai girls on these dating sites tend to prefer the exchange of photos rather than a live video because a live video puts pressure on them to speak English during the video as well. My experience has been that, unless the girl is very fluent in English, she is more comfortable exchanging on-the-spot photos and typing out a chat instead of trying to understand your English and speaking English herself during a video chat.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1781825]If she becomes unsatisfied with her new "husband", I am still around. LOL.[/QUOTE]Reminds of Barney in How I Met Your Mother where says "Together, we will own this city. Anytime a girl wants to get back at her ex-boyfriends, we'll be there. Anytime a girl wants to solve her father issues through promiscuity and binge drinking, we will be there. Anytime a bachelorette party drives through the city in a limo, sticking their heads out the sunroof, shouting, "What's up, New York," we will be what is up New York. " Hyuk!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;1781829]Syzygies,
I can relate to the occasional hard labor cum girl. Although I would bet, like me, you have found that is somewhat rare with Thai girls. But it does happen. Have you noticed how relatively easy it is for Thai girls to cum compared with Western girls? Especially when we DATY? But at a certain point with some women, we just have to let it go and accept the fact that, after we have tried virtually every trick in the book, given her a variety of techniques in terms of DATY, fingers, toes, boom-boom from this or that angle for this long or this deep and the opposite of all of that, all the while being especially attentive to signs of encouragement for this way or resistance to that way, in the end the woman's orgasm is her responsibility, not ours. If there is a magic button to push a certain way for a certain amount of time, she will simply have to declassify those state secrets. We love to deliver orgasms and do our best to deliver them exquisitely. But if it just isn't in the woman to orgasm in the presence of another person, or ever, it is best to stop trying and leave it to her to deal with, which she may never bother to do.
Funny thing is, a couple of the absolute most devoted and loving women I have ever been with are two that I more or less gave up trying to make cum. One is a girl I see quite often. She is always smiling, always happy, great fun to be with, pleasures me to perfection orally, boom boom, any way I want. She Line's me multiple times per day, is always there for me at the drop of a hint I'd like to see her. Yet she is one of the most non orgasmic women I have ever known. And she seems delighted to have it that way and make it all about my pleasure instead. Well. OK. All good.
On your question about video chats on Line normally happening or not, I would say it is more common for the girl to request an on-the-spot photo of me rather than video. Although the video chat does happen occasionally. I think Thai girls on these dating sites tend to prefer the exchange of photos rather than a live video because a live video puts pressure on them to speak English during the video as well. My experience has been that, unless the girl is very fluent in English, she is more comfortable exchanging on-the-spot photos and typing out a chat instead of trying to understand your English and speaking English herself during a video chat.[/QUOTE]In my case English would not be a problem since I speak Thai much better than most girls can speak English. So Thai is my natural language of choice even with girls good at English.
I am very persistant. I hate too loose with a girl. So I have very good stamina to try DATY for a very long time, trying different styles till see which way she seems to respond most to. Very few girls will give verbal signs that we are hitting just the right spot. I am old and have a lot of experience and was well trained by a Thai girl 20+ years ago. I usually only fail with Thai girls if she just doesn't want it. I agree Farang girls are more difficult overall and some Thai girls are extremely sensitive indeed to extent that just two minutes of good DATY can make them explode. Typically these are not hookers. However Mai in Can Cam was so sensitive I believed she had 4 orgasms in our session. She is a newbie not yet jaded.
With this topic we risk Dan coming in and teaching us his hand girl wanking technique yet again. He is obviously a hand specialist where I am a DATY specialist. Sometimes I use both.
One Farang girl I had this year needed to smoke during Daty in order to cum. Thought that was funny.
Most hookers find it unexpected that I am a customer and yet willing to give very extended Daty up to 30 mins. Most guys are not going that far I believe. Breathing enough air can be a problem in very long non stop Daty.
Tongue is a very powerful organ with endless stamina. Jaw gets tired long before. BBBJ can be very tiring for girls not used to it. Non hookers.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1781986]
Breathing enough air can be a problem in very long non stop Daty. [/QUOTE]A nice compliment I received for providing extended oral services rendered: 'It helps to be able to breathe thru your ears'.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1781986]IWith this topic we risk Dan coming in and teaching us his hand girl wanking technique yet again.[/QUOTE]A "well lubricated hand", if I remember correctly.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1781986]...Most hookers find it unexpected that I am a customer and yet willing to give very extended Daty up to 30 mins. Most guys are not going that far I believe. Breathing enough air can be a problem in very long non stop Daty.
Tongue is a very powerful organ with endless stamina. Jaw gets tired long before. BBBJ can be very tiring for girls not used to it. Non hookers.[/QUOTE]The key to my enduring, even enjoying extended expert DATY sessions as well as the girl being much more comfortable about giving extended BJ sessions is body position. In fact, it is key to enjoying even short bouts of either act, IMO.
The typical position one assumes to deliver DATY, in a bed, laying on your stomach between the girl's legs while she lays on her back, is not very conducive to a comfortable DATY experience, extended or brief. You are generally propped up a bit on your elbows, meaning one hand might be available for assist but rarely both at the same time. Even if you get creative with a pillow or two you're still hyper-extending your back, gravity is working against you in terms of your upper body mass.
So too with the typical positions a girl assumes while giving you a BJ. If she and you more or less reverse the above positions, now she is propping herself up with one or two elbows, with the added problem of dealing with her hair unless she has enough forethought to pin it back (or you have asked her to). Again, gravity is working against her on her upper body and head. About two minutes in, expect most girls to exhibit some discomfort in their shoulders and neck area. Often they will do so because they know from past experience that this position is pretty horrible after 10 or 15 minutes so they are trying to signal this better end sooner rather than later, bud. And if she is kneeling in front of you, there is the sore knees problem.
A much better alternative for the DATY / BJ experience is to make sure the room you are in has a sturdy vanity table or a desk and an arm chair that fits under it. Also a couple of small ottomans are invaluable for this and other sexual position purposes. Most decent hotel rooms have the vanity table / desk and chair option, although many only offer a stool or non arm chair to go with it. However, unfortunately, very few Short Time rooms whose purpose is specifically to provide a place for sexual frolics rather than a good night's sleep rarely do. And virtually no BJ bars in the city offer this kind of furniture option in their BJ cubicles and rooms. Strange. You can be certain the smoothie Love Apartment is fully equipped with a great one! Haha.
The idea then is for the person getting a BJ or on the being eaten side of DATY to sit on the vanity table or desk (preferably on a couple of pillows), legs apart, feet anchored firmly on the arms of that chair, while the person performing the act sits in that chair and digs in with mouth and, if so desired, both hands. No gravity issues, no sore elbows, no sore knees issue, no hair falling in front of the girl's face while she is blowing you. And the person doing the work can sit there and tease the recipient along for a very, very long time before the shattering climax, in relative comfort.
The above vanity table / desk and arm chair set up works especially well for receiving blowjobs, I assure you. It is a much better position for the girl to be in while giving a BJ and it works much better for me than laying flat on my back in a bed. But for delivering DATY, I do prefer to have the girl sitting close to the edge of the bed, her back and head resting on a mountain of pillows behind her, while I kneel on a pillow on the floor between her legs. But what about her dangling feet you may ask? That is where those two small ottomans come in handy. Place them on each side of you next to the bed directly under her feet and you're both good to go. Yes, in this case I am kneeling. But I find that my kneeling for an extended period of time on a pillow for this particular act is not nearly the hardship that extended kneeling appears to be for a girl giving a blowjob. So I am OK with that.
A vanity table or desk can be had for less than 1000 Baht. And even the cheap plastic patio type arm chairs you find at Big see are fine for this purpose. A couple of small ottomans, the kind that double as collapsible storage boxes, can be had for less than 300 Baht each. The entire expense for a ton of flexible sexual usage (the ottomans also come in handy for bedside doggie position boom boom! So for a one time expense of about 1500 Baht every Short Time room and every BJ bar cubicle in the city could be supplied with items that really and truly can provide a variety of far more comfortable and effective options for giving and receiving DATY and BJs, as well as FS.
Yet almost none of the owners of those venues bother to do it or even give it a thought. Too bad really. A bed or couch, not matter how plush, does not qualify for providing a pleasant environment or set up for great DATY and BJs, IMO. If I ever walked into a Short Time room or a BJ bar cubicle and saw a vanity table / desk and arm chair along with a couple of small ottomans I would know the owners of this venue are really thinking about what they are trying to provide the customer with rather than only coming up with the bare minimum bed and floor or couch and floor options.
ET,
Thanks for a different report. I rarely find I have the right equipmemt at hand for a relaxed DATY. I will try your advice whenever possible. I have had a girl on an armchair but there was no desk.
Some girls know how to swivel their hips to make it easy and some make it really hard. I don't even have the right furniture set up at home. Maybe can manage it in a hotel room.
I like to DATY my girls while I'm standing but you do need some strength to get them raised up above your head. The newfound sense of such height while being eaten out really brings out the orgasms. And if they tend to kick too much I position myself under the ceiling fan.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;1782709]The key to my enduring, even enjoying extended expert DATY sessions as well as the girl being much more comfortable about giving extended BJ sessions is body position. In fact, it is key to enjoying even short bouts of either act, IMO.[/QUOTE]Don't forget the reliable 69 position with the girl lying comfortably flat on her back, her head resting on 1 or 2 pillows, legs spread wide and bent at the knees, while you straddle her face on all fours, both hands free to roam, with comfortable access to all her pussy parts, and your dick dangling into her mouth where she can pleasure it for a long time in total comfort. The girl's love it and so do I.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;1782709]The key to my enduring, even enjoying extended expert DATY sessions as well as the girl being much more comfortable about giving extended BJ sessions is body position. In fact, it is key to enjoying even short bouts of either act, IMO.[/QUOTE]Agreed! The Playboy Hotel has always had those gyno chairs, but lack another chair to sit it. Most ST hotels and Oily / Soapy rooms are not equipped properly either. Perhaps you could become a consultant!
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1783096]Agreed! The Playboy Hotel has always had those gyno chairs, but lack another chair to sit it. Most ST hotels and Oily / Soapy rooms are not equipped properly either. Perhaps you could become a consultant![/QUOTE]Wow. I am pleased and, frankly, surprised to see several posters appreciating my "proper DATY / BJ-giving and receiving furniture set up" observations. I honestly expected to read recommendations to "get a life", "who cares if there is any furniture in the room? "I'm fine with a BJ even while straddling a picket fence in a wind storm" type posts. Haha. I clearly underestimated the understanding and attention given to detail in these matters by this esteemed group.
Dr. BJ's Salon makes the same mistake with their set up as the Playboy Hotel you mentioned. There is a nice comfy chair (except for one cubicle that has a chair that is fixed in a reclining position way too extreme. I avoid that particular cubicle at all costs), but only one small stool for the customer to rest only one foot on. If the good Dr would just see fit to put two small stools in his Salon's cubicles along with a place for the girl to sit a bit more comfortably between the customer's legs, that customer would also have a much better place to anchor BOTH feet instead of having his legs dangle uncomfortably off the edge of the chair. I assume the percentage of two-legged customer over one-legged customer in the place is quite substantial.
I know of only one BJ bar environment in Bangkok where it appears someone gave at least passing consideration to what might be a better body position for the customer when getting a blowjob and for the girl giving a blowjob other than simply a bed and the floor or a chair and the floor. That is one of the VIP rooms in Magic Table on Soi 7/1. In at least one of their VIP rooms there is couch that is elevated because it rests on top of two large ottomans. The ottomans stick out beyond the edge of the couch enough to offer a place for the customer to anchor his feet (or they can be scooted out enough to do so before the festivities commence) and there is a space between the two ottomans for the girl to kneel or to sit on a third ottoman available in the room. The slight elevation of the couch puts the man's package at just about the right face level for the girl kneeling or sitting before him without her having to scrunch over in the usual gravity-battling position. And the two support ottomans can be scooted further apart or closer together to suit the preference of the customer.
But that is the only BJ room / cubicle or Short Time room in the city that I am aware of where it appears the designer made an effort to provide something that might actually make getting and giving a blowjob more comfortable and, ultimately, more pleasurable beyond "here is your chair, there's the floor, go for it. "
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1783090]Don't forget the reliable 69 position with the girl lying comfortably flat on her back, her head resting on 1 or 2 pillows, legs spread wide and bent at the knees, while you straddle her face on all fours, both hands free to roam, with comfortable access to all her pussy parts, and your dick dangling into her mouth where she can pleasure it for a long time in total comfort. The girl's love it and so do I.[/QUOTE]I wish I enjoyed the 69 position that much as I agree with you that some of the logistical problems are solved by going that route. But my problem with it is it puts her tongue on the wrong side of my dick, the top side, rather than the underside where I much prefer it to be.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;1783117]I wish I enjoyed the 69 position that much as I agree with you that some of the logistical problems are solved by going that route. But my problem with it is it puts her tongue on the wrong side of my dick, the top side, rather than the underside where I much prefer it to be.[/QUOTE]I do use 69 position, or just an upside down DATY at times. Some girls are scared of finger nails so not so keen on fingers in pussy. However I have a big nose fingernail free. Some girls get off on DATY quicker with nose deep in pussy stimulating the upper vaginal wall close to the G spot. Cannot breathe through the nose in this circumstance of course, so side of mouth snatched breathes.
If want a good BBBJ concurrently in 69, generally better to have girl on top and my head on a pillow folded double.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1783096]Agreed! The Playboy Hotel has always had those gyno chairs, but lack another chair to sit it. Most ST hotels and Oily / Soapy rooms are not equipped properly either. Perhaps you could become a consultant![/QUOTE]Strange that Dr BJ, run by a farang with good knowledge of mongering and action has not arranged for something like that.
I think their chairs are more "barber type".
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1783132]If want a good BBBJ concurrently in 69, generally better to have girl on top and my head on a pillow folded double.[/QUOTE]I agree. If you are on top she might get too much of a DT and might not get her comfortable.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;1783160]Strange that Dr BJ, run by a farang with good knowledge of mongering and action has not arranged for something like that.
I think their chairs are more "barber type".[/QUOTE]Have to say I don't like the Dr B.J. Chairs. Only tried once or twice. VIP room including bodyslide mattress and bed was more my thing. I am more of an interactive type.
I bought a nice quality collapsable umbrella, strong, OS recently. Did not stay with me long before a close family member needed it more than me. Can anyone recommend where to buy good quality collapsables in Bangkok which can stand a bit of wind and last a while? I don't want the large long umbrellas in the case, nor ones that go rusty quickly.
I want the price to medium. Not "el cheapos", but not too ridiculous.
It's like my Thai girls don't know where to get a good one and therefore want the nice one I bought OS.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1783301]Have to say I don't like the Dr B.J. Chairs. Only tried once or twice. VIP room including bodyslide mattress and bed was more my thing. I am more of an interactive type.[/QUOTE]I can agree but then this would be a "normal" massage place. If it "has to be" a BJ joint, then that should be, nothing less, nothing more. Equipped as such. Servicing as such.
Just as a BJ bar should not be based on upstairs rooms, VIP rooms, oily etc. At the most it could foresee stalls in the background for some limited privacy during the action.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1784131]I bought a nice quality collapsable umbrella, strong, OS recently. Did not stay with me long before a close family member needed it more than me. Can anyone recommend where to buy good quality collapsables in Bangkok which can stand a bit of wind and last a while? I don't want the large long umbrellas in the case, nor ones that go rusty quickly.
I want the price to medium. Not "el cheapos", but not too ridiculous.
It's like my Thai girls don't know where to get a good one and therefore want the nice one I bought OS.[/QUOTE]The smallest one I've bought has now survived three Thailand Rainy Seasons and is still going strong. I think it was about 350 Baht. It can easily fit in a cargo pants pocket. During Rainy Season, when it is cool enough to wear long pants and shoes requiring socks, I usually stuff it into my sock, behind my (long) pants leg, next to my ankle. Then there is no bulge, it is virtually invisible, no carrying it around, and ready when needed. The trademark name I see on it is Pop & Pro. I bought it on the 4th floor of Tokyu department store in MBK, next to the escalators. But I've seen them for sale in other places around the city, just can't be sure where now.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;1784164]I can agree but then this would be a "normal" massage place. If it "has to be" a BJ joint, then that should be, nothing less, nothing more. Equipped as such. Servicing as such.
Just as a BJ bar should not be based on upstairs rooms, VIP rooms, oily etc. At the most it could foresee stalls in the background for some limited privacy during the action.[/QUOTE]No flexibility at all. Does anyone actually like the Dr BJ chairs? Any other BJ place I have tried has more flexible furniture for me. However Dr BJ possibly deliberately does not want any flexibility. Generally I care only about the girls, but if furniture makes me feel uncomfortable, it does not add to the overall subconscious will to return. I can't imagine being back in one of those contraptions.
If I get the hots for a girl, I always desire more than a simple Blow. If I go back to Lolly Lita shop for Anne, I will want everything with her hot body.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1784230]No flexibility at all. Does anyone actually like the Dr BJ chairs? Any other BJ place I have tried has more flexible furniture for me. However Dr BJ possibly deliberately does not want any flexibility. Generally I care only about the girls, but if furniture makes me feel uncomfortable, it does not add to the overall subconscious will to return. I can't imagine being back in one of those contraptions.
If I get the hots for a girl, I always desire more than a simple Blow. If I go back to Lolly Lita shop for Anne, I will want everything with her hot body.[/QUOTE]Maybe I dint explain well when I wrote "equipped as such", I meant of course with appropriate furniture "state of the art".
What you mention, and I don't object on your liking, is a more advanced room furnished for different needs, from the BJ char to a nice bed for. I don't think it is th format Dr BJ has in mind, as that would be a different type of place.
The way I see Dr BJ, the original, is a "quick plumbing service" or a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] with out the hassle or the self cheating of a bar, with drinks etc.
What you have in mind is a bit more sophisticated place. Like Macau's sauna, where some of them have a specifically designed bed or the B2 B nuru sliding, never seen it elsewhere.
Does anyone know of a place in BKK that can transfer the old cassette music tapes to a CD. I have a nice collection of 50's /60's tapes. I can play these in my old car.
With a cassette player but my newer car only plays CD's.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
FM
[QUOTE=Fooolishman;1789770]Does anyone know of a place in BKK that can transfer the old cassette music tapes to a CD. I have a nice collection of 50's /60's tapes. I can play these in my old car.
With a cassette player but my newer car only plays CD's.[/QUOTE]So you want to change one form of outdated technology to another form of outdated technology? Do they even still make CDs? Time to move to MP3 brother. Your entire collection can fit on a memory card that is smaller than your fingernail.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1784230]No flexibility at all. Does anyone actually like the Dr BJ chairs? Any other BJ place I have tried has more flexible furniture for me. However Dr BJ possibly deliberately does not want any flexibility.[/QUOTE]I would like those chairs in Dr. BJ just fine if there were two, not one, small footstools in the room on which I could anchor my feet, each on either side of the girl blowing me. But, alas, the good Doctor apparently cannot afford to supply them. It would probably be about 500 baht or less for each small footstool.
However, there is or was a chair in one of the cubicles that is reclined too far back, virtually in flat-on-your-back recline position, and cannot be set upright. Intolerable for me. If someone was unlucky enough to be taken to that particular cubicle on a first visit, he might think all of Dr. BJ's chairs are like that. They are not.
In fact, that chair and the way my favorite girl, EE, dealt with my problem with it has kept me away from Dr. BJ's Salon for almost two years now, even though EE no longer works there. LOL.
EE was generally very good about making sure her regular customers, as I was, would not be saddled with that horrible chair in that cubicle. She would wait a few minutes if necessary until another cubicle was freed up. However, this one time the place was very busy, she didn't want to wait 5 or 10 minutes for another cubicle to free up and she took me to that one. I gave it the old' college try, but there is essentially no backrest to that chair since it is reclined so far back. After 10 excruciating minutes of balancing myself on the edge of that chair, my legs dangling without support below (no footstools, remember), I told her it wasn't working for me in this position and she just stopped, did not offer to move to another room, was OK with me not finishing at all, sorry about that, and off I went. For almost two years so far. LOL. I haven't returned since.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1789827]So you want to change one form of outdated technology to another form of outdated technology? Do they even still make CDs? Time to move to MP3 brother. Your entire collection can fit on a memory card that is smaller than your fingernail.[/QUOTE]Mr. E, what you say is correct what you miss in his post? "Old Car" and "New Car plays only CD".
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1789968]Mr. E, what you say is correct what you miss in his post? "Old Car" and "New Car plays only CD".[/QUOTE]Good to see you back.
Most new cars have the AUX IN jack where you can connect your mp3 player. There is also a cassette tape adapter to use for his old car. I had been using one for about 10 years until I finally put a new radio in my car a few months ago.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1790046]Good to see you back.
Most new cars have the AUX IN jack where you can connect your mp3 player. There is also a cassette tape adapter to use for his old car. I had been using one for about 10 years until I finally put a new radio in my car a few months ago.[/QUOTE]Sorry my question was stated incorrectly. My new care is actually 7 years old. Not hardly a new car but it is newer than my older car. Sorry for my error.
Thanks,
FM
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1790046]Good to see you back.
Most new cars have the AUX IN jack where you can connect your mp3 player. There is also a cassette tape adapter to use for his old car. I had been using one for about 10 years until I finally put a new radio in my car a few months ago.[/QUOTE]That is why you are the Mr. E, my car here has a MP3, too old and scare to even touch the button.
Another good option is a simple radio adapter. Plugs into walkman and then sends out mini radio signal at like 88.1 FM so you just tune your radio and are in business. Used one of these for years as devices change but adapter works for all in any car. Needs separate batteries, but not a big deal.
[QUOTE=Fooolishman;1789770]Does anyone know of a place in BKK that can transfer the old cassette music tapes to a CD. I have a nice collection of 50's /60's tapes. I can play these in my old car.
With a cassette player but my newer car only plays CD's.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
FM[/QUOTE]
Just searched and you can buy a cassette deck that plugs in to your computer via USB and converts to CDS or MP3's. They're about $100 US. Otherwise I'm sure someone at MBK can easily do this for you for a nominal rate.
[QUOTE=Fooolishman;1789770]Does anyone know of a place in BKK that can transfer the old cassette music tapes to a CD. I have a nice collection of 50's /60's tapes. I can play these in my old car.
With a cassette player but my newer car only plays CD's.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
FM[/QUOTE]Here is the guy original posting! He does not want any machine etc. He wants " a place in BKK that can transfer the old cassette music tapes to a see. The. ! Nothing else!
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1790304]Here is the guy original posting! He does not want any machine etc. He wants " a place in BKK that can transfer the old cassette music tapes to a see. The. ! Nothing else![/QUOTE]Thanks LB. You hit it on the head. I would like to be able to play.
The tapes in CD form in my 7 year old car that has a CD player as original equipment. Thanks to all who tried to help.
FM
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I am seeking some help re. Pills named Lyrica, used to treat acute sciatic nerve pain. Anyone is familiar with the medicine / pharmaceutical industry in Thailand maybe can suggest a substitute similar to Lyrica? It's really expensive here in the EU, week supply goes for around 2000 baht.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Bugzy69;1793980]I am seeking some help re. Pills named Lyrica, used to treat acute sciatic nerve pain. Anyone is familiar with the medicine / pharmaceutical industry in Thailand maybe can suggest a substitute similar to Lyrica? It's really expensive here in the EU, week supply goes for around 2000 baht.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Generic name pregabalin. That appears to be some heavy stuff. If it is available then you are sure to need a prescription from a doctor to get it.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1794036]Generic name pregabalin. That appears to be some heavy stuff. If it is available then you are sure to need a prescription from a doctor to get it.[/QUOTE]For this stuff you need help from doctor. Used this medicine about 6 yrs ago. Did a medical examination at Bumrungrad. They found my real problem and have not used Lyrica ever since.
But if you need Lyrica for sure you need to see a doctor-even in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Globoid;1794138]For this stuff you need help from doctor. Used this medicine about 6 yrs ago. Did a medical examination at Bumrungrad. They found my real problem and have not used Lyrica ever since.
But if you need Lyrica for sure you need to see a doctor-even in Thailand.[/QUOTE]The good news though is a doctor's appointment is relatively cheap in Bangkok. I used to go to Bumrungrad but now prefer Bangkok Hospital, although it is not as conveniently located. Both are certified by the Joint Commission International.
[QUOTE=Bugzy69;1793980]I am seeking some help re. Pills named Lyrica, used to treat acute sciatic nerve pain. Anyone is familiar with the medicine / pharmaceutical industry in Thailand maybe can suggest a substitute similar to Lyrica? It's really expensive here in the EU, week supply goes for around 2000 baht.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]You probably don't want to hear it, but speaking from much experience, surgery is the way to go. Not fun, but being off pain meds and being able to get around pain-free is worth the effort.
Much appreciated guys, upon my next visit to Bkk I will make a few tests in hospital including a scan, guess there's a hospital that specialize only in back pain issues.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1794234]You probably don't want to hear it, but speaking from much experience, surgery is the way to go. Not fun, but being off pain meds and being able to get around pain-free is worth the effort.[/QUOTE]
Here is my long 2 cents.
From personal experience. Over 40 years years ago I came down with my first lower back muscle spasms. Because I was very active and never experience any like this before couldn't even bend down and tie my shoe laces. I did basically a term paper on this subject and what I found I do not think it has change much in 40 years and that is surgery should only be done when you finally hit the end of the road.
From your last commend, if you haven't even seen a Doctor, had a x-ray, etc. And you are looking or taking medication as strong as what you are looking for that is not a very good sign. Lucky from my work, family member who is a Orthopedic surgeon, another who was a physical therapist with the S. F. Niner's in the 70's I was able to get treated and educated by some of the best Doctors in the country including the Doctor who operated on Joe Montana the Quarterback for the Niner's only after months of elevation and Physical Therapy.
What I found out in my own case my problem would be with me for the rest of my life but as long as I follow the recommended physical therapy I could manage my pain so I could pretty much could live a normal live without taking any medication. Through the years I had a number of relapses told I might be at the end of the road but whenever I heard the word surgery I work my ass off to stay away from it. The final big blow to my spine was being hit accidently by a malfunction aircraft door latch that cause the door to slam down on my forehead. When I woke up in the hospital still seeing the stars I was told if I was a inch taller I would have been dead. Aside from the conclusion my spine told a big blow it basically crush my spine. Although I had feeling and movements on my lower legs my sciatic was lock blocking off circulation to my left leg. For a week I went through Physical Therapy, saw a Chiropractor, had Acupuncture I did it all everyday to try to unlock the nerve. The Doctors told me I only had a few days left because my leg now was swelling and turning blue. If by days end nothing work, they would put me on traction and if that didn't work surgery. It was also my last day to see the Chiropractor for the last remaining disc, he strapped me in and the machine started to rock and bend me and after a minute I and everyone in the room heard a loud pop, thereafter I felt the blood rushing down to my leg.
Since that day again I had relapses but nothing like before because I educated myself about my back and how to lift heavy items which was my profession to keep from going under the knife. Through the years I've seen cases and cases of my fellow workers taking bad advise and taking the easy way out and had surgery non of them ever return to work.
The easy way out is taking medication, just open you month drop it in your mouth and swallow and mask the problem! That is what my cousin does. Today he is only 60, had six operation look like he is 90 year old. He is so bad off, he has tons of money but can't get any pussy. He came two years ago to Pattaya, barely could walk down W. S. Not even wanting to pay 5,000 baht would the stunner fuck him not even a top performer from Soi 6, I ask her why she took a runner you make me look bad? She told me when she got to his room she saw 20 plus medication bottles on his night table which scare the shit out of her. Finally, I arrange a top performer for him at his hotel room and I mean top, very understanding of his problems she work his ass off all night fuck him every which way and gave him more sex in one night he has had his whole life. She left him in one piece at 6:00 am, at 6:30 he called me and said he had to go to the hospital he couldn't move. Luckily knowing he was in bad shape we arrange his hotel to be right next door to the International Hospital on Soi 4, In the end, the girl fuck him so much he had muscle spasms. In the end, more pills no mention of Physical Therapy but that is not surprising in the hospitals in Thailand and Bumrungrad is no different! Since returning home he has has two more operations. He has so many track marks from the operation only the old and hard up for money will go with him if he could come to Pattaya but he can't because he is addicted to the medication and is currently in detox. Now his friends and our family are say I'm right that having a operation is to relief the pain and after if the Doctor is still giving him medication to me something is wrong?
You can take the easy way out take a pill, but I suggest you go home and see a Orthopedic Surgeon I highly suggest one from Sport medicine, they take the conservative approach and get a full evaluation instead of popping a pill.
Two years before I left my job, I was ask by my Workmens Compensation department if I wanted to see a Psychiatrist? Never heard of them before I did some research and try to see one at my Sport Medicine Group but they were no openings for two months. I agree to see one recommended by my work. In our first meeting he already had 40 years of history on me. After looking at all the x-rays scans he said to me " I can't fix you but I can help you with your pain so it is more spread out so you would feel better " After two years and each visit didn't seem much he was doing more education than anything and a few exercises after two years of visits I never felt better. The best thing about Thailand are the massages and I've found a person who really knows their stuff and I go 3/4 times a week and that is what has kept the little rabbit hopping!
Before I end, yes long. See a really doctor at home and forget the pills unless you really need it. Doctors here just want to sell you with a expensive new tech procedure.
Just my 2 cents and more.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1794234]You probably don't want to hear it, but speaking from much experience, surgery is the way to go. Not fun, but being off pain meds and being able to get around pain-free is worth the effort.[/QUOTE]It is possible he needs surgery. It's also possible, even likely, he doesn't need surgery. Unless you're an orthopedist, who has examined him, you really can't know whether surgery is the best course of action.
I've been dealing with lower back issues for 25 years. At the beginning, first doctor said surgery was the answer. Second doctor, an Orthopedic surgeon specializing in sports medicine, didn't think so, but wanted to get an opinion from a neurosurgeon.
The neurosurgeon explained my case like this. I could have surgery and I would have some manageable pain every day, but I would lose some flexibility and mobility. The other option was to finish the physical therapy treatment, take care of myself and my back and most days I would be pain free, but occasionally, if I over exerted, I would have extreme pain.
I've had a few episodes in 25 years, usually from over exertion or mishaps at work. In most cases, a few days rest fixes the problem. Haven't used any pain medication for years.
See a doctor or two, get an accurate diagnosis of the problem, then figure out your best path.
Gents,
Returning soon and curious as to how the action is within the little beer bars in the plaza these days. Any one bar to recommend for quantity and recent prices these days.
Thanks!
[QUOTE=JjBee62;1794783]It is possible he needs surgery. It's also possible, even likely, he doesn't need surgery. Unless you're an orthopedist, who has examined him, you really can't know whether surgery is the best course of action.
I've been dealing with lower back issues for 25 years. At the beginning, first doctor said surgery was the answer. Second doctor, an Orthopedic surgeon specializing in sports medicine, didn't think so, but wanted to get an opinion from a neurosurgeon.
The neurosurgeon explained my case like this. I could have surgery and I would have some manageable pain every day, but I would lose some flexibility and mobility. The other option was to finish the physical therapy treatment, take care of myself and my back and most days I would be pain free, but occasionally, if I over exerted, I would have extreme pain.
I've had a few episodes in 25 years, usually from over exertion or mishaps at work. In most cases, a few days rest fixes the problem. Haven't used any pain medication for years.
See a doctor or two, get an accurate diagnosis of the problem, then figure out your best path.[/QUOTE]Once they cut you, you'll never be the same for better or for worst. When I was living in BKK, I did chiropractic sessions twice a week, acupuncture twice a week and got a real massage pretty much every day.
Not 100% now but with diet and exercise, my back and neck is much better. Stay off the meds if possible.
Not against any one of these treatments and my work paid for these treatment for near a year. Although I felt better after each treatment if they are not only into making money they will give you enough information so you can figure it out it is only temporary. In regards to Chiropractic Treatment they can crack and align your spine but you need to strengthen your muscle and build up your core to maintain that alignment. And it is impossible due to the earth constant pressure on your body unless you work those muscle that can hold the alignment it wil only be temporary. In my own case Chiropractic treatment was to unlock but not until the 7th treatment in which the Doctor told me if it doesn't work today that is the end of the road with me. This is pretty much the same with Accupuncture, the treatment relaxes the muscle around the disc and hopefully enough that if you make a sudden turn it would pop loose. Again, especially with backs if you do not do the stretches and strengthen your core it all is temporary and temporary means if your health provider do not pay for it then expensive out of your own pocket. Like medication, these treatment can be addictive over time.
When I was in the States for the money out of your own pocket, a trained license massage person for two hours relaxing one got far more the bang for the buck then any of the above treatment. Today, one might think it is impossible to find a person in Thailand but go enough you will eventually find one that knows what they are doing.
Take up Yoga, it helps and again go see a PHYSIATRIST.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1795085]Not against any one of these treatments and my work paid for these treatment for near a year. Although I felt better after each treatment if they are not only into making money they will give you enough information so you can figure it out it is only temporary. In regards to Chiropractic Treatment they can crack and align your spine but you need to strengthen your muscle and build up your core to maintain that alignment. And it is impossible due to the earth constant pressure on your body unless you work those muscle that can hold the alignment it wil only be temporary. In my own case Chiropractic treatment was to unlock but not until the 7th treatment in which the Doctor told me if it doesn't work today that is the end of the road with me. This is pretty much the same with Accupuncture, the treatment relaxes the muscle around the disc and hopefully enough that if you make a sudden turn it would pop loose. Again, especially with backs if you do not do the stretches and strengthen your core it all is temporary and temporary means if your health provider do not pay for it then expensive out of your own pocket. Like medication, these treatment can be addictive over time.
When I was in the States for the money out of your own pocket, a trained license massage person for two hours relaxing one got far more the bang for the buck then any of the above treatment. Today, one might think it is impossible to find a person in Thailand but go enough you will eventually find one that knows what they are doing.
Take up Yoga, it helps and again go see a PHYSIATRIST.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mauldid;1794916]Once they cut you, you'll never be the same for better or for worst. When I was living in BKK, I did chiropractic sessions twice a week, acupuncture twice a week and got a real massage pretty much every day.
Not 100% now but with diet and exercise, my back and neck is much better. Stay off the meds if possible.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JjBee62;1794783]It is possible he needs surgery. It's also possible, even likely, he doesn't need surgery. Unless you're an orthopedist, who has examined him, you really can't know whether surgery is the best course of action.
I've been dealing with lower back issues for 25 years. At the beginning, first doctor said surgery was the answer. Second doctor, an Orthopedic surgeon specializing in sports medicine, didn't think so, but wanted to get an opinion from a neurosurgeon.
The neurosurgeon explained my case like this. I could have surgery and I would have some manageable pain every day, but I would lose some flexibility and mobility. The other option was to finish the physical therapy treatment, take care of myself and my back and most days I would be pain free, but occasionally, if I over exerted, I would have extreme pain.
I've had a few episodes in 25 years, usually from over exertion or mishaps at work. In most cases, a few days rest fixes the problem. Haven't used any pain medication for years.
See a doctor or two, get an accurate diagnosis of the problem, then figure out your best path.[/QUOTE]All very good advice. Definitely have to see a couple of doctors first.
In my case I had a pinched nerve. Sometimes called a "slipped disc" but more accurately a herniated disc. It started, no idea how, when I was 18. It was more or less manageable for a number of years. Around 30 it became very bad. I started seeing a chiropractor regularly and it did wonders. It didn't fix the problem but it postponed surgery for almost 20 years.
I somehow re-aggravated it and it wouldn't get better. No amount of therapy, massage, acupuncture, chiro, etc. , would help. It was the end of the road.
A very good neurosurgeon operated and basically "shaved" the disc down to stop the pressure on the sciatic nerve. End result was that I have no more pain and only need an NSAID on occasion. A bit of residual numbness in one foot, but it's minor.
I had one relapse. I did something that irritated the hell out of the area and it became royally inflamed. The pain was excruciating and the doctor though maybe I'd delaminated the muscle (or whatever they call it). I had been very careful and I know that I didn't do that. An x-ray guided steroid shot fixed the problem and it's been fine for going on 10 years.
However, I continue to see a chiropractor regularly. He says that the most common thing he sees with his surgical patients is that they stop going to him. In terribly ignorant layman's terms, the muscles on either side of the surgery pull in different directions, putting pressure on those discs. A year or so later the patient is back under the knife.
So, whatever that's worth. Definitely need a couple of opinions and surgery is the very last resort. But tranking yourself out on industrial strength meds is no way to go through life.
I had a sciatic nerve pinched due to a slipped disc. I went to a Chiropractor for "Spinal Decompression" treatments Worked wonders for me.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1795312]All very good advice. Definitely have to see a couple of doctors first.
In my case I had a pinched nerve. Sometimes called a "slipped disc" but more accurately a herniated disc. It started, no idea how, when I was 18. It was more or less manageable for a number of years. Around 30 it became very bad. I started seeing a chiropractor regularly and it did wonders. It didn't fix the problem but it postponed surgery for almost 20 years.
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Does anyone knows where one can get Ultra thin condoms in BKK? Preferably Sagami 0. 01 or 0. 02 or equivalent in Okamoto?
[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;1796082]Does anyone knows where one can get Ultra thin condoms in BKK? Preferably Sagami 0. 01 or 0. 02 or equivalent in Okamoto?[/QUOTE]You can get Okamoto at majority of the 7/11, Sagami you can get at Boots stores which are like Watsons?
[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;1796082]Does anyone knows where one can get Ultra thin condoms in BKK? Preferably Sagami 0. 01 or 0. 02 or equivalent in Okamoto?[/QUOTE]The Sagami 0. 02 size large (black) and original regular (red) are available all over Sukhumvit for 69 baht a piece. Try the pharmacy on the east side of Soi 11 before you come to the Ambassador or the large Chinese run pharmacy on Sukumvit past the gas station situated on the Soi 4 corner. That's the 2nd pharmacy as you walk west on Sukhumvit from Soi 4. I don't know where you can buy Sagami 0. 01's in BKK. I just bought 25 (5 packs) from Amazon. It cost me a small fortune.
Thanks for your info. In my last visit I had tried at the bid chinese pharmacy but couldn't get them. Will try on soi-11. Yes 0. 01's are very expensive. But 0. 02's are quite good.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1796106]The Sagami 0. 02 size large (black) and original regular (red) are available all over Sukhumvit for 69 baht a piece. Try the pharmacy on the east side of Soi 11 before you come to the Ambassador or the large Chinese run pharmacy on Sukumvit past the gas station situated on the Soi 4 corner. That's the 2nd pharmacy as you walk west on Sukhumvit from Soi 4. I don't know where you can buy Sagami 0. 01's in BKK. I just bought 25 (5 packs) from Amazon. It cost me a small fortune.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1796103]You can get Okamoto at majority of the 7/11, Sagami you can get at Boots stores which are like Watsons?[/QUOTE]
Finding really great quality Japanese Restaurants in Bangkok can be dicey. Some places concentrate on selling booze rather than best food.
There used to a reasonable shop running between Soi 24/1 and Soi 26 that the massage girls knew was good and it was a fun place too. Very busy. Unfortunately the previous occupants could not continue the lease and it is now hopeless under the new occupants (maybe since 5 months already). Overly basic menu (for tourists? Too pricey and food not fresh. On Friday night it was not very busy. There is a very good reason. I realised my mistake fairly quickly, and left. Checked another place around the corner in Sukhumvit road but could see they had exactly the same menu (mass produced somewhere). Then went to look Soi 33/1 where I used to have an old favorite, but most places were closing early (by my standards).
Finally got to Shakariki in Soi Asoke right side if travelling North from Sukhumvit, downstairs and just a little past the first main intersection with traffic lights. Has an "Easter Island" stone head outside. This place was open to either 4 am or 5 am. Quite busy and rowdy inside. Many Japanese and / or Korean type customers which is a good sign. Staff seem to be mainly Isaan but they are in a great friendly mood. It's clearly a fun place.
What is more the food came very quickly and was of the highest quality I have experienced anywhere in Bangkok and that includes a posh Japanese restaurant in Emporium. Extremely fresh fish and every dish was perfection. No faults could be found. My Ume Hai drink tasted great too (I don't drink beer but others did), slightly sweet but tangy and a little fizzy plum wine. One fault I could say was the California Roll type dishes had Crab or Seafood stick as an ingredient, evidently from the pictures. I don't eat that stuff. I stuck with beautiful Sashimis instead, especially Salmon, Tako (really soft Octopus), Unagi, etc. Good quality batter for the Tempura, and cooked just right. Tempura is one of the easiest things to stuff up with old batter or cooked wrong temperature.
So I highly recommend this place. Its an easy walk from Cowboy. You might even recognise the odd girl from Cowboy, in there with a Japanese customer. I recognised Naam from Crazy House even with her clothes on LOL.
My bill was 3000 Baht for a good sized feed for 4 people including not many cheap dishes. Did not takes any noodles even though available. Menu was very extensive, going for many pages.
It's a bright sunny Sunday here in Singapore and I am feeling very nostalgic about Thailand. Its just been a little over 6 weeks I was last there, but it feels like I haven't been there for ages. This morning I am reminded on another cute spinner from Baccara named Thip.
I had met her there some years back before the coup happened and her brother was one of the red shirts arrested during a demonstration and she was in the trade to help raise money for his release. At least that is the story I got. Otherwise she was a simply farm girl from Isaan. The first thing that struck me about her was her dimples when she smiled and her soft hair. Standing at just 5 feet she was an absolute delight.
She spent a week with me and did not mind at all when I went out for soapy or oily sessions in the daytime. She took me to some of her favorite places to eat and I thoroughly enjoyed myself. The sex was absolutely wonderful. Here are a few clad pics (I don't take nude pics ever). One of the pics is with her best friend Nana. Even suggested a threesome once, but I am terrified of the pecker wreckers, so I politely declined.
I am still in touch with her and she is still in BKK but she has stopped working. I have not seen her in over 3 years now. Somehow, today, I want to see her. But that is not happening. Maybe another day, another way.
Have a good week folks!
Does anyone know what happened to "ThatAsshole"? I was searching some spots in Thailand and ran into a few of his old reports. I had forgotten what a legend he really was.
[QUOTE=Amjeck;1807926]Does anyone know what happened to "ThatAsshole"? I was searching some spots in Thailand and ran into a few of his old reports. I had forgotten what a legend he really was.[/QUOTE]He must have changed his name to natty bumpo since he thinks he's the Legend here.
A report in the Straits Times today morning that caught my attention.
[URL]http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/russia-warns-thailand-of-isis-terrorists-in-kingdom[/URL]
In a gist the report says Moscow's Federal Security Service has information about 10 Syrian militants from ISIS entering Thailand Oct 15 and Oct 31. The report goes on to say 4 went to Pattaya, 2 to Phuket, 2 to Bangkok and the other 2 to an unknown location.
Be careful, all ye who may enter here. Stay safe guys.
Hi guys,
What is the average price of a mid class pros. In Bangkok? I'll be heading to Bangkok in 2 months and would love to dig some more information to make my trip perfect.
Goatscrot often complains about working girls who cannot hold an intelligent conversation. Of course they cannot necessarily be experts on all topics.
However many or most of working girls are coming from "Baan Nork" tiny country villages. My Mrs. Tells me about the pathetic education received by the children in the villages when she was a child. One teacher, she said, knew only Sport and cooking. So that is all the girls learned. Was common for teachers not to show up to teach till say 11 am, then children would go home for lunch at 12. Hours of education were pathetic in the villages. She claimed she learned very little to the extreme until reached grade 6 and suddenly got a good teacher, who helped her to learn a lot including reading English writing.
How come teachers were paid a salary or wage so much month, yet they taught few hours and few subjects properly? Obviously corruption played a part. However teachers had other employment keeping them away from there teaching job. One assumes that they did not get paid enough to get by, so had to use school hours doing other things. Country villages had rather few diligent decent teachers.
Obviously education in the big city of Bangkok is better. I tutor step daughter in Mathematics and English. In the modern day students are lazy and get distracted too much by social activities, Facebook, computer games, smartphones etc. , that we never had to distract us when we were young. By end of my 4th grade (as a young child) I remember all students had to be proficient in arithmetic and know the answers to simple sums straight off without thinking. Thai students seem to not that proficient taking far too long to reach the answer. Teachers emphasis laying out the problem so neatly and disciplined, that a lot of time is wasted instead of getting to the answers quickly. Basic arithmetic requires rote learning. In an exam these students are just too slow (by my standards).
I also lament the huge number of teenage pregnancies in Thailand especially perhaps among poorly educated girls. The parents just teach them to refrain from sex till they have a husband. Ludicrous. LOL. These girls seem to think they will get lucky rather than pregnant. They do not rush to the Pharmacy to get the morning after pills. Why? Too embarrassed or do not have the money? Probably a combination plus the unfortunate belief in fate whee Thais think whatever will happen will happen regardless of a persons actions.
In the west, the girls would get abortions. In Thailand, no. Mostly they have the babies. Abortion is both illegal and against the religion.
The Thai education system has yet a long way to go to be up to Western standards, and even western education is not good in my view. Far too many useless subjects are taught that are of no use in the real life. We end up living a life where we have to make serious mistakes and learn from our mistakes (after it's too late). We choose unsuitable partners because we know so little about evaluating the Psychology, character, and compatibility of a prospective partner. So many divorces occur for partners not suited to each other.
I am a maths expert. Use? Purely tutoring children in maths. LOL I don't use it in my I. T. Job.
I don't expect much intelligent conversation from bargirls. I don't need it either. From my Mrs. We have conversations about philosophy of life and religion and of course her views are highly influenced by Buddhist teachings. Unfortunately for me, devote Buddhists view "desire" as a negative factor on our lives called "Gillate" (or Gee-late. Hard to spell in English). This means she does not succumb to sexual desires as much as I would like her too. She is hot, but not often enough, and no special skills. Fortunately it also reduces her desire to go shopping and buy things not really needed, in the modern day.
Most of our attention is focused on our interactions with the girls, and rightly so. But what about other players on the scene such as the Mamasans and staff members? They are integral players on the scene, and I enjoyed interacting with many of them who were respectful, kind, courteous, and sometimes very funny. I was sitting with a real cutie at Sahara on Soi Cowboy when the Mamasan came over and asked that I buy her a drink too. She said it was her birthday. Well, I called bullshit on her. So Mamasan goes away for a few minutes, then comes back with her ID and shows it to me, and sure enough it was her birthday! Well, I'll be damn!
So, I ended up buying Mamasan two drinks and we had a little party LOL! I also ended up bar fining the little cutie I was with, and Mamasan was like, "And give it to her good too, but treat her nice because she is like my daughter. "Hehehe! Turns out that pretty little Thai girl could hardly take this big American dong, but that's another story LOL! Before we left Mamasan was joking with me that the girl's hootchie smelled, so I demanded a 2,000 baht discount LOL! The girl didn't understand what we were talking about. When Mamasan explained, the girl just smiled and acted like she wanted to punch me. Why me? Mamasan was the one who said her hootchie smelled LOL!
Now, sometimes when I'm in a bit of a good mood I can be a little bit of a joker. Indeed, I consider myself to be the "Weird Al Yankovic" of mongers LOL! I mean, I can hear a song and automatically I just start coming up with my own lyrics that are funny. Here is a popular song that I was hearing in the go-go's all over Thailand: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOh6wb9l00g.[/URL] So, I'm sitting in a bar listening to this song, and I look at the little waitress standing nearby and start singing the song. Only I pull out a 20 baht note and I'm singing, "I only got 20 baht in my pocket!" Hahaha! LOLOLOL! Little Thai girl died laughing and hit me and said, "Not enough, not enough! 20 baht not enough!" LOL! Did the same thing with one of the Thai tutes who also fell out laughing and said, "No 20 baht! 20 dollar!" I really enjoyed these side interactions with the people of Thailand. But then there are a few others I did not enjoy so much. I will write about those later.
Oh, and I guess I will go ahead and say that I met a very special girl in Phuket. She is absolutely beautiful, and I've never met anybody like her in my life anywhere. Not even in my favored Brazil. She moved and touched me in ways I never expected would happen. And me being me, I put my feelings about that and her to song too (not funny}. I wish I knew the name of the song. You hear it all over Thailand in the bars too. In Phuket! In Phuket! Oh I met! Oh I met! Her in Phuket! Yeah Naked Gunz, an Asian Thai girl has me singing her praises. Given my strict standards for Asian girls, then you damn well know she had to be hot as hell! What I call a rare Thai "white tiger". Mr. Breadman knows about her!
I was in a Russian Go-Go club last night and one of the girls told me a pretty funny story. I'll clean it up a bit by leaving out some of the details to protect the "innocent". But basically what happened is that a guy went in there and agreed to take a girl out for "escort service" at 10,000 baht for two hours with no sex. The guy lives in Thailand, so he took the girl to his apartment, and the place was just a complete disaster! Dirty and a total mess (pets involved)! And get this. The guy asks the girl to clean up his apartment LOLOLOL! What the hell did the guy want? A maid or an escort or what LOL? The girl takes a look around and tells the guy to fuck off! Hahaha! She says he would need to pay her for 2 weeks to clean up his place. That's how much time would have been needed given how dirty it was. Too funny! That a guy would hire an escort then ask her to clean his apartment. I guess he figured he needed to get something out of her since he sure wasn't going to be fucking her LOLOLOL!
Two nights ago, on the way to see Fern at Mango, saw a fire close to Ekamai BTS and bus stations and Sukhumvit blocked except for heaps of emergency vehicles with sirens blaring. Apparantly no serious injuries despite some ambulance heading to Ekamai hospital. BTS was not affected.
[QUOTE=KingCoconut;1809977]Hi guys,
What is the average price of a mid class pros. In Bangkok? I'll be heading to Bangkok in 2 months and would love to dig some more information to make my trip perfect.[/QUOTE]Majesty.
It is all written here, in this forum. Start reading and you will know all the secrets and prices and places to go. We say RTFF.
RL.
[QUOTE=TheCane;1811234]I was in a Russian Go-Go club last night and one of the girls told me a pretty funny story. I'll clean it up a bit by leaving out some of the details to protect the "innocent". But basically what happened is that a guy went in there and agreed to take a girl out for "escort service" at 10,000 baht for two hours with no sex. The guy lives in Thailand, so he took the girl to his apartment, and the place was just a complete disaster! Dirty and a total mess (pets involved)! And get this. The guy asks the girl to clean up his apartment LOLOLOL! What the hell did the guy want? A maid or an escort or what LOL? The girl takes a look around and tells the guy to fuck off! Hahaha! She says he would need to pay her for 2 weeks to clean up his place. That's how much time would have been needed given how dirty it was. Too funny! That a guy would hire an escort then ask her to clean his apartment. I guess he figured he needed to get something out of her since he sure wasn't going to be fucking her LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]I am guilty of doing the same thing in Norway one time many years ago. I am renting out a lot of apartments and I did have lots of problems with a tenant. He rufused to leave, didn't pay rent for a few months and was a pain in the ass for others living in the same apartmentbuilding. I had new tenants ready to move in and finaly one day the problematic tenant just left and was never to be seen after this. The apt looked like a shithole and since the new tenants (I felt sorry for them) were ready to move in the day after (it was late eve I found out). No cleaningagency open so I improvised and drove my car around in the hookerarea. Picked up two nigerean hookers (didn't care so much how they looked ofcourse) and drove them to the apt at stake. Gave them cleaningsupplies and a 4/5 hours later the apt was as new and ready for new people to move in. I never did feel any urge to fuck them fatty nigereans but I paid them 10000 piso each (NOK 1500). I even informed my GF about this and she just laughed and viewed it as a clever move so it happens.
[QUOTE=KingCoconut;1809977]Hi guys,
What is the average price of a mid class pros. In Bangkok? I'll be heading to Bangkok in 2 months and would love to dig some more information to make my trip perfect.[/QUOTE]Average price of an average pro providing average services during an average time? 1000 to 1500 baht with an error margin of about 1000 baht.
Joking aside, the scene in Bangkok or Thailand and even South-East Asia as a whole is quite difference from other areas. There is no such thing as an "average" hooker here. You have quite different types of working girls with a totally different pricing level. From the cheap streetwalkers, over mature ladies in Beergarten, bargirls in the girlie bars, waitresses, dancers and coyotes in the agogo clubs to "high class" escorts and semi-pro girls in the discos and there are even a lot of opportunities for freebies through the use of social media and dating websites.
So take your pick what is "average".
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1812514] over mature ladies in Beergarten[/QUOTE]Please define mature, for the purposes of Thai working girls. As we discussed in another thread recently, Thai women seem to look much younger than their Western counterparts and possibly their Asian counterparts as well. I'm still trying to get my head wrapped around the idea of 40-something women who look like twenty-somethings. What age group are we talking about when you say "mature" and overall, how would you describe their looks on average?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1813082]Please define mature, for the purposes of Thai working girls. As we discussed in another thread recently, Thai women seem to look much younger than their Western counterparts and possibly their Asian counterparts as well. I'm still trying to get my head wrapped around the idea of 40-something women who look like twenty-somethings. What age group are we talking about when you say "mature" and overall, how would you describe their looks on average?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Definitely 35+ or even 40+, but at worst they will look early thirties. Their looks? Skinny to curvy, there is not one set model, they are as diverse as everywhere else.
My Thai GF is 40 and she calls herself "old fat lady", although she doesn't look a day older than 30 and she is half my weight. Of course when she says that I will deny it and to show that I mean it I have to make love to her.
I'm planning my first excursion to LOS in mid Jan and wanted to know where most would recommend spending a Sunday, daytime and nighttime-- Bangkok or Pattaya? I'm planning to fly in to Bangkok on a Friday night and wanted to know if I should plan to go to Pattaya on Saturday to fully experience it, or spend Sat in Bangkok and go to Pattaya on Sun or Mon? I would also have a few nights in Bangkok on my return home.
I know January is high season and would prefer to avoid large tourists crowds in Pattaya that may accumulate, but also didn't want to short change myself in experiencing Pattaya if earlier in the week is much slower.
Any input is appreciated.
[QUOTE=Bijou;1813206]I'm planning my first excursion to LOS in mid Jan and wanted to know where most would recommend spending a Sunday, daytime and nighttime-- Bangkok or Pattaya? I'm planning to fly in to Bangkok on a Friday night and wanted to know if I should plan to go to Pattaya on Saturday to fully experience it, or spend Sat in Bangkok and go to Pattaya on Sun or Mon? I would also have a few nights in Bangkok on my return home. [/QUOTE]Since you are flying into BKK on Fri, you might as well do 2 or 3 days there, then check out Pattaya. Once you have seen both, you can decide which one you like better for the end of the trip. Either way, you have to go back to BKK to fly out. So its a win / win.
[QUOTE=Bijou;1813206]I'm planning my first excursion to LOS in mid Jan and wanted to know where most would recommend spending a Sunday, daytime and nighttime-- Bangkok or Pattaya? I'm planning to fly in to Bangkok on a Friday night and wanted to know if I should plan to go to Pattaya on Saturday to fully experience it, or spend Sat in Bangkok and go to Pattaya on Sun or Mon? I would also have a few nights in Bangkok on my return home.
I know January is high season and would prefer to avoid large tourists crowds in Pattaya that may accumulate, but also didn't want to short change myself in experiencing Pattaya if earlier in the week is much slower.
Any input is appreciated.[/QUOTE]For the agogo or bar-scene there is no "slack day", except official holidays when bars cannot sell alcohol and therefore close. And even then streetwalkers and massage places provide enough choice. There are always more than enough girls available, either in Bangkok or in Pattaya.
The only thing you should do is minimize your travel time. Going straight to Pattaya from the airport, spending a few days in Pattaya and then returning to Bangkok for your last few days and return home seems optimal.
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1813082]Please define mature, for the purposes of Thai working girls. As we discussed in another thread recently, Thai women seem to look much younger than their Western counterparts and possibly their Asian counterparts as well. I'm still trying to get my head wrapped around the idea of 40-something women who look like twenty-somethings. What age group are we talking about when you say "mature" and overall, how would you describe their looks on average?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Ha ha! He was just being nice with the word "mature". He did not want to say "old bags" and he would not be checking out exactly how old they were. Would you prefer "past their prime"?
However girls that I think look great at 25 to 35, may already be far to old for the youth obsessed types. For some guys, young=pretty, but that is really stupid for me. 20 YO girls can be just as ugly as 40 YOs for me.
[QUOTE=Bijou;1813206]I'm planning my first excursion to LOS in mid Jan and wanted to know where most would recommend spending a Sunday, daytime and nighttime-- Bangkok or Pattaya? I'm planning to fly in to Bangkok on a Friday night and wanted to know if I should plan to go to Pattaya on Saturday to fully experience it, or spend Sat in Bangkok and go to Pattaya on Sun or Mon? I would also have a few nights in Bangkok on my return home.
Any input is appreciated.[/QUOTE]The way I did it, years ago, was rent a car and go directly to Pattaya. Late at night, no traffic. Let the hotel know what time you will arrive so your room is ready. I'm sure you have RTFF and know what hotel you are staying at. Since this is your first time, just walk around Pattaya, enjoy, follow the guidance posted in the forum. It is sort of like the Waikiki of Thailand. A different sort of shopping experience. The actual experience cannot be compared to what you get from reading. Especially if it is your first time mongering! Then, take the bus (cheap) or rent another car to go back to BKK, where your hotel will be expecting you. DO NOT BRING A GIRL WITH YOU FROM PATTAYA TO BKK. ATMs are all over the place, but just take cash to avoid the foreign transaction fee. Have a good time.
[QUOTE=Mr Hawaii;1813755]The actual experience cannot be compared to what you get from reading. [/QUOTE]
Absolutely agree.
[QUOTE=MrHawaii;1813755]DO NOT BRING A GIRL WITH YOU FROM PATTAYA TO BKK. [/QUOTE]
Why not? I did and we had a blast in Crazy House and Baccara.
[QUOTE=MrHawaii;1813755] DO NOT BRING A GIRL WITH YOU FROM PATTAYA TO BKK. [/QUOTE]I made an even bigger mistake when new to everything 23+ years ago. I took a girl with me to Pattaya. She wasn't even stunning or anything special.
Hey guys posted this in Phuket thread but got no response. Hope you guys can help me out.
Thanks.
East coast.
Need some advise.
May seem stupid but I will be visiting Phuket next year and will be staying at the east cost of Phuket.
Only interested in massage parlous and HJ's. Obviously I don't want to travel that 1 h to Patong.
Any suggestions? And what's the protocols?
Please help.
Any advise would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1813352]Ha ha! He was just being nice with the word "mature". He did not want to say "old bags" and he would not be checking out exactly how old they were. Would you prefer "past their prime"?
However girls that I think look great at 25 to 35, may already be far to old for the youth obsessed types. For some guys, young=pretty, but that is really stupid for me. 20 YO girls can be just as ugly as 40 YOs for me.[/QUOTE]Haha! Okay, so you are saying that if I do hit Beer Garden (which I understand is a recommended destination, even if just for a beer) I can expect not so attractive girls? Bear in mind, that I'm 58 so most women are younger than me, and my recent post-divorce experience has confirmed what we already knew. Mature women tend to be better at sex (once past their prime, they can no longer hold their vagina up like some precious commodity). They also tend to be more bat-shit crazy than ever.
But back to our previous conversations about age, Mr S. You might recall on another thread, we were talking about how the Thai women don't look as old as their western or Asian counterparts. This kind of makes it hard for an occidental first-time visitor to understand what he is getting into. I had a webcam call with a hot looking MILF who was in her 40's, looked like her 20's. She has a daughter who was 18, who was helping her run her shop. The daughter looked like she was 10 though she was headed for college. She had a picture of her other daughter, who was 25, but she looked more like 15. You see a potential dilemma for someone new to Thailand?
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1813965]Haha! Okay, so you are saying that if I do hit Beer Garden (which I understand is a recommended destination, even if just for a beer) I can expect not so attractive girls? Bear in mind, that I'm 58 so most women are younger than me, and my recent post-divorce experience has confirmed what we already knew. Mature women tend to be better at sex (once past their prime, they can no longer hold their vagina up like some precious commodity). They also tend to be more bat-shit crazy than ever.
But back to our previous conversations about age, Mr S. You might recall on another thread, we were talking about how the Thai women don't look as old as their western or Asian counterparts. This kind of makes it hard for an occidental first-time visitor to understand what he is getting into. I had a webcam call with a hot looking MILF who was in her 40's, looked like her 20's. She has a daughter who was 18, who was helping her run her shop. The daughter looked like she was 10 though she was headed for college. She had a picture of her other daughter, who was 25, but she looked more like 15. You see a potential dilemma for someone new to Thailand?[/QUOTE]Actually, age (beyond the boundaries set by the law) is totally irrelevant. I never asked or checked the age of my companion-to-be. If she looks good (according to my definition of "good" has a bubbly and pleasant attitude, and is willing to provide the services I require, why should I care if she is 25,35 or 45?
Unless you are on a quest to make love to girls of all ages and you are still missing a few figures on your tally sheet to make it complete, would you refuse to go with a girl if she is actualy 10 year younger (or even older) than her apparent age but otherwise pushes all your buttons?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1813879]I made an even bigger mistake when new to everything 23+ years ago. I took a girl with me to Pattaya. She wasn't even stunning or anything special.[/QUOTE]Last time I was in Pattaya, I took a Soi 6 girl and the next day my Chiang Rai GF came over for a few days.
The fact that there were many thousands of WGs available in Pattaya, did not in the least reduce the fun I had with my GF.
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1813965]Haha! Okay, so you are saying that if I do hit Beer Garden (which I understand is a recommended destination, even if just for a beer) I can expect not so attractive girls? Bear in mind, that I'm 58 so most women are younger than me ....[/QUOTE]The beer garden in Bangkok has a lot of older ladies. You may find that some are decent enough for a ST run but others are well past their best days. OTOH you can also find some young ones since it is a freelance place. Every now and then some cuties are in there. It's worth it to stop in one afternoon or evening for a look and a beer. In any case, there are plenty of other places nearby if you don't find something you like.
Same applies to Pattaya's beer garden near the entrance of walking street.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1814023]Actually, age (beyond the boundaries set by the law) is totally irrelevant.
SNIP
would you refuse to go with a girl if she is actualy 10 year younger (or even older) than her apparent age but otherwise pushes all your buttons?[/QUOTE]I could not agree more with you Wolvenvacht. I once had a girl (ahem. Woman) who was 42 but she provided me the most intellectually stimulating companionship ever. She was well traveled, well read, reasonable educated and shared interests in music, food, sport and books. And she was a professional yoga teacher. Man! Did she push my buttons or did she push my buttons.
To top it all her body was an absolute marvel. Toned, taut, smooth skin. Not an ounce of extra fat. Fantastic in bed, knew exactly what she was doing, when to take control and when to give in.
Cherry on the cake. She was a great cook too. Stayed with me for 4 days. Such women come along once in a long long time and I cherish such memories!
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1814023]Actually, age (beyond the boundaries set by the law) is totally irrelevant. I never asked or checked the age of my companion-to-be. If she looks good (according to my definition of "good" has a bubbly and pleasant attitude, and is willing to provide the services I require, why should I care if she is 25,35 or 45?
Unless you are on a quest to make love to girls of all ages and you are still missing a few figures on your tally sheet to make it complete, would you refuse to go with a girl if she is actualy 10 year younger (or even older) than her apparent age but otherwise pushes all your buttons?[/QUOTE]Thanks for your input, Mr. Wolvenvacht, but I think you might have misunderstood my concern. I'm not fixated on age at all. As I said, I am 58, which makes most women younger than me, and maturity has given me a great appreciation for a broader range of women. If I come across cute THAI girls who happen to be past their prime, its not a deal breaker with me. But, as you probably know, "mature" working girls in Europe or the Americas are not too attractive in most instances. Some of them will look awful. Hence, the word "mature" throws up a measure of uncertainty.
Regardless of whether a girl is actually 18 - or 28, I am not interested in girls who look like they could be in the same 5th grade class as my son. I don't have that totally sick perv instinct. Hell, my son isn't even interested in the girls in his class, either. And yes, you read that right. I am 58 years old and I have a son in fifth grade. Any surprise you'd meet a cad like me on a mongering site?
But, back to the original question. My concern about age perception is a PRACTICAL one. I understand the "mature" working girls work at a "discount" compared to their youthful counterparts. How do I negotiate properly for their age bracket if I can't discern what their actual age bracket is? On the opposite end of the spectrum, how do I determine if a girl is truly "too young" for ethical and legal reasons? I read a post somewhere (maybe another forum) where a monger walked in a discrete Thai brothel only to find the girls there looking way too young, so he fled. My question simply is about understanding what you are dealing with. But, I think the only way to find out is to experience it for myself, when I make the journey. Some thing can't be explained on internet forums, but I appreciate the feedback from all of you.
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1814402]Thanks for your input, Mr. Wolvenvacht, but I think you might have misunderstood my concern. I'm not fixated on age at all. As I said, I am 58, which makes most women younger than me, and maturity has given me a great appreciation for a broader range of women. If I come across cute THAI girls who happen to be past their prime, its not a deal breaker with me. But, as you probably know, "mature" working girls in Europe or the Americas are not too attractive in most instances. Some of them will look awful. Hence, the word "mature" throws up a measure of uncertainty.[/QUOTE]When I used the word "mature" I meant indeed women who look "mature". That doesn't necessarily mean they are ugly or otherwise not fit for being on The Game. After all, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and we all have our own idea of what is our "ideal" companion. But in the Beergarten you are unlikely to find the younger side of the spectrum.
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1814402]
Regardless of whether a girl is actually 18 - or 28, I am not interested in girls who look like they could be in the same 5th grade class as my son. I don't have that totally sick perv instinct. Hell, my son isn't even interested in the girls in his class, either. And yes, you read that right. I am 58 years old and I have a son in fifth grade. Any surprise you'd meet a cad like me on a mongering site?[/QUOTE]I'm close to your age and indeed I do not see any bonus in going with the younger SWs. A good rule of thumb is to add 5 to 10 years to their apparent age to get a working idea of their real age bracket, but as I said before, I find it really irrelevant. The only thing about age is to make sure that you respect the legal age limits, and if you see someone who looks close to 18 years old you are probably still on the safe side. Nevertheless, I give such girls a wide berth as they rarely if ever perform well in bed. A few times I ended up with girls "fresh from the farm" and those were not the best sessions I ever had. On the other hand in a massage shop I ended up with a woman who said she was 45 (so probably she was 50) and we had lots of fun. There wasn't much I could teach her and we both could focus on our pleasure. Anecdotal eveidence of course, but it shows that age is not a true indicator of quality.
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1814402]
But, back to the original question. My concern about age perception is a PRACTICAL one. I understand the "mature" working girls work at a "discount" compared to their youthful counterparts. How do I negotiate properly for their age bracket if I can't discern what their actual age bracket is? On the opposite end of the spectrum, how do I determine if a girl is truly "too young" for ethical and legal reasons? I read a post somewhere (maybe another forum) where a monger walked in a discrete Thai brothel only to find the girls there looking way too young, so he fled. My question simply is about understanding what you are dealing with. But, I think the only way to find out is to experience it for myself, when I make the journey. Some thing can't be explained on internet forums, but I appreciate the feedback from all of you.[/QUOTE]In Thailand everything is open to negotiations. Within one establishment there is usual a more or less standard price, say 3000 to 3500 baht for any agogo girl going LT with you. The neigbouring club may be cheaper or more expensive, but again there is probably a "standard" tariff too. Only exceptions seem to be clubs that employ "coyote" or "model agency" girls who will fetch a higher price. But again that price is not age determined.
For freelancers that is different as they are entirely their own boss and they can ask any price they think the market will support. Will "mature" women fetch a lower price than young spinners? Maybe but not necessarily. I all depends on your negotiating skills. And at the end of the month even the young spinners have to pay the rent of their apartment and although they may start with a higher offer, not closing a "high price" deal is still equal to no money for them. But I find such negotiations tedious, just to be able to say that I fucked a girl 30 years my junior.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1814422]When I used the word "mature" I meant indeed women who look "mature". That doesn't necessarily mean they are ugly or otherwise not fit for being on The Game. After all, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and we all have our own idea of what is our "ideal" companion. But in the Beergarten you are unlikely to find the younger side of the spectrum.[/QUOTE]On the honest side of the game there are some old bats in there. I am 43 and a couple of years ago I dated a 49 year old Thai school teacher and now back in the States I am dating a 46 year old Indian woman. So age is not an issue for me. But BG definitely has some old dragon ladies.
A lot of 30 something FL's hang out in Spasso at the Hyatt Grand. Therefore, if high quality mature girls are what you are after, go to Spasso around 11 pm. All of the girls I have taken out of this bar where between the ages of 32 and 37 except for this one good looking 42 year old girl that I still fondly remember. She was sitting in a booth nursing a glass of wine and looked like legal secretary from a prestigious law firm. She smiled at me as I walked by so I said Hello and sat down next to her. I initially thought she could not be older than 34 and I was amazed when she nonchalantly told me her real age. She was very warm and friendly in the bar booth, if you know what I mean, so I thought what the hell and took her back in my hotel room where she amazed me with how soft her skin was and how everything still held up. 555. Her warm friendly personality in the bar continued over into the bedroom and I still remember how her soft pussy wrapped around my dick and felt real good, so all in all I had a pretty good time with her. She stayed a few hours. After sex we laid together and talked about various things. She showed me pictures of her condominium. The place looked very high class and was stylishly decorated. She excused herself and left around 4 am because she said she did not want her neighbors to see her come home all dressed up in the morning light. I gave her the agreed upon 4000 bt for ST plus I tipped her an extra 500. I had never been with a Thai 40 something. It was a good time, but I did not repeat with her although I could have if I had wanted. I generally prefer girls in the 22 to 26 age range, but variety is usually a very good thing so I have been known to sample older and younger girls occasionally. Ha Ha.
[QUOTE=PpSeeker;1813940]Hey guys posted this in Phuket thread but got no response. Hope you guys can help me out.
Thanks.
East coast.
Need some advise.
May seem stupid but I will be visiting Phuket next year and will be staying at the east cost of Phuket.
Only interested in massage parlous and HJ's. Obviously I don't want to travel that 1 h to Patong.
Any suggestions? And what's the protocols?
Please help.
Any advise would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks[/QUOTE]You have two choices: Keep on hoping to get an answer to your questiiin, wherever you post it or.
Start RTFF: it will do good to you.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;1814493]You have two choices: Keep on hoping to get an answer to your questiiin, wherever you post it or.
Start RTFF: it will do good to you.[/QUOTE]Everywhere I read is about sex. Not interested in gogogirls, FL's or whatever. Just want a place near my hotel where I can go, relax and unwind with a HJ, not too much to ask?
Just want to see where the best place and nearest would be? Phuket town? Or should I be focusing my efforts on driving all the way to Patong (1 h drive) ?
Apparently the 7-11's and Family Marts don't sell SIM cards anymore (maybe because the mandatory registration takes too much time?) I was redirected to a phone shop at the ground level of Nana Square mall, at the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi 3 (in Bangkok). I bought a Happy Tourist SIM 7-day Package there for 399 Baht.
Later on I noticed they had cut out a small part of the packaging. I checked the DTAC website and found out they cut out the real price: 299 Baht. See [URL]https://www.dtac.co.th/en/prepaid/[/URL].
Did some googling and found out I was not the first to be scammed: [URL]http://www.desiyatri.com/2014/01/thailand-sim-card-scam.html[/URL].
I've always bought my SIM cards at a 7-11 and I've never been scammed. Now that's not possible anymore I will for sure pay more attention.
To avoid scams you can order a SIM card online and pick it up at the airport upon arrival.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1814983]I checked the DTAC website and found out they cut out the real price: 299 Baht.
To avoid scams you can order a SIM card online and pick it up at the airport upon arrival.[/QUOTE]
299 for 7 days is not a great deal either, you can get a True SIM for 50 baht plus 7 days 3G package for 99 baht + VAT (or 30 days 1.5Gb for 199 + VAT).
Unless you can suggest a specific site, the advice to "order online" does not help much (sometimes offers aimed at wealthy tourists are overpriced). As always to get a good deal simply be aware of the market prices.
Small shops can do the registration for you on the spot too.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1814983]Apparently the 7-11's and Family Marts don't sell SIM cards anymore (maybe because the mandatory registration takes too much time?).......To avoid scams you can order a SIM card online and pick it up at the airport upon arrival.[/QUOTE]AIS on 4th Floor of Emporium is reliable and fair IMV. Think there was a 79 baht package for a week. With enough data for emails and web while on the go away from WiFi at the hotel.
FK
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1814983] you can order a SIM card online and pick it up at the airport upon arrival.[/QUOTE]Top floor of the terminal 21 mall has several places to get sim cards. If your from the states, T-Mobile allows you to use your texts and data free of charge while in over 200 countries. Phone calls are a reasonable 20 cents per minute. Worked flawlessly in Germany on my last trip, will report back on how it works in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1815221]Top floor of the terminal 21 mall has several places to get sim cards. If your from the states, T-Mobile allows you to use your texts and data free of charge while in over 200 countries. Phone calls are a reasonable 20 cents per minute. Worked flawlessly in Germany on my last trip, will report back on how it works in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I live in Issan Land and have T-Mobile SIM and it works, to use your word, flawlessly. Never an issue. And if your phone is Wi-Fi calling enable you can call back to the States without the 20 cents per minute charge. Calling another country it'll be the 20 cents per minute.
For LTE capable mobile phones, and using an AIS SIM.
Type *411#.
Your phone will shortly convert to 4G displayed at the top (free trial).
Internet download speed seems excellent on my phone. I am using it to power my Notebook / tablet hybrid right now using internet tethering. Much faster than my rented room slow Wifi internet.
Syzy.
I am in BKK now and bought a SIM card at the top floor of Terminal 21 (across from Movies) for my local Thai phone number as you can no longer buy a SIM card at a 7/11 etc. You also have to bring your passport or a copy as the Thai government changes their regulatory policies due to increased security concerns.
I also use Tmobile with my IPhone for international calls, Internet surfing, and texting but don't like to change out the SIM card in this phone as it can easily pop out and disappear. As the other poster said it's. 20 cents for calls, incoming and outgoing. I have used it for two years in Asia and the reception here and Internet reception is better for me than US.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1815221]Top floor of the terminal 21 mall has several places to get sim cards. If your from the states, T-Mobile allows you to use your texts and data free of charge while in over 200 countries. Phone calls are a reasonable 20 cents per minute. Worked flawlessly in Germany on my last trip, will report back on how it works in Thailand.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jgm005;1815258]I live in Issan Land and have T-Mobile SIM and it works, to use your word, flawlessly. Never an issue. And if your phone is Wi-Fi calling enable you can call back to the States without the 20 cents per minute charge. Calling another country it'll be the 20 cents per minute.[/QUOTE]Why do you say "Wi-Fi calling enabled"? Maybe this is a USA thing? I call overseas using LINE, Whatsapp, Skype, applications on the smartphone, you name it, using the phone Data service, so many Gig per month. Hardly ever use Wifi on my phone. High speed data works pretty good these days. Why be constrained to Wi-fi locations? I would only switch to Wifi to download videos using a high heavy data load (not often). I guess I a dinosaur and not hooked on videos like the modern youth.
I have been using HSPA+ (not sure which release and how many Mbits per sec), and LTE /4 G which should be 100 Mbits / sec.
I have had overseas data calls that were much clearer (on occasions) even than local normal mobile calls (when connection was poor quality). Obviously depends on both ends having a good quality high speed connection.
The cost is zero for any country for data to data calls. Its just part of monthly data charge. So buy an international phone that does not have internet data calls disabled. I am an international traveller, so I need things that work well in every country with a reasonable data service. I use a Dual-SIM phone so can be contacted on multiple numbers as well.
"20 cents per minute for other countries" I guess you mean if calling a non-data service normal phone number. I make only a few local calls in Thailand (even less OS). Usually calling an MP to see if a girl is there and available. Could be the Mrs when she has a bad internet connection.
I use Skype to call mother OS as she has no smart phone. Skype quotes 10 cents per minute to mobiles and 2.3 cents per minute to landlines in my home Country (plus a connection fee 4.9/8.9 cents). I would use the latter if wanted to talk a very long time I guess.
Its a massive difference to say 15 years ago when calling a GF in Thailand from OS could cost well over a dollar per minute.
Sounds like the T-Mobile thing is very good for short term stays here, however consider getting a local SIM, especially for long stay. Its too easy for me, as have a dual SIM phone. I can have a Thai SIM and an OS country SIM both functioning together. Handy for frequent travellers.
I guess some day, land lines will cease to exist. All that cable going to waste.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1815806]Why do you say "Wi-Fi calling enabled"? Maybe this is a USA thing? I call overseas using LINE, Whatsapp, Skype, applications on the smartphone, you name it, using the phone Data service, so many Gig per month. Hardly ever use Wifi on my phone. High speed data works pretty good these days. Why be constrained to Wi-fi locations? I would only switch to Wifi to download videos using a high heavy data load (not often). I guess I a dinosaur and not hooked on videos like the modern youth.
.[/QUOTE]Most of the family, no all, back in the States are not on things like LINE, etc. I have a Nexus 5 X which allows me to change the 'Calling Preference' to Wi-Fi Preferred instead of Cellular Preferred. And if I am on Wi-Fi I can call back to the States without the 20 cents per minute T-Mobile (USA Phone Provider) charge.
It costs the 20 cents per minute, even if on Wi-Fi preferred to another country. Your right the social media calling abilities are the way to go which I use to friends in other countries. And as you know every Thai has one or more of the apps you mentioned and that is how I contact them.
I do have a 2nd phone with a Thai SIM but rarely use it now. Mostly for Thai banking OTP (one time password) stuff.
P.S. : I enjoy your CH postings.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1815806]Why do you say "Wi-Fi calling enabled"? Maybe this is a USA thing?[/QUOTE]It is a T-mobile thing. It is a program that is installed on their phones and can only be used with their SIM card. There is no wifi calling when I put my T-mobile SIM into the new Samsung J1 that I bought in Tukcom or any other phone that I have that I did not get from T-mobile. There is also no wifi calling when I put another company's SIM into my T-mobile phone.
[QUOTE=Jgm005;1815814]Most of the family, no all, back in the States are not on things like LINE, etc.[/QUOTE]Those VOIP apps are not an American "thing". Most only use normal texting so you have to teach them. My mom and dad have been using whatsapp for a couple of years now. I just made my daughter download it two days ago.
Not sure I Understand the thrust of these posts. I use Apple, as do all of my family members in the States, and use Apple FaceTime to talk free, video and / or audio frequently. To speak with friends who don't have Apple products I use Skype, which also works fine. A lot of my friends here ise Whatsapp to speak with people all over the world. I think VOIP is pretty much universal.
GE.
[QUOTE=Jgm005;1815814]Most of the family, no all, back in the States are not on things like LINE, etc. I have a Nexus 5 X which allows me to change the 'Calling Preference' to Wi-Fi Preferred instead of Cellular Preferred. And if I am on Wi-Fi I can call back to the States without the 20 cents per minute T-Mobile (USA Phone Provider) charge.
It costs the 20 cents per minute, even if on Wi-Fi preferred to another country. Your right the social media calling abilities are the way to go which I use to friends in other countries. And as you know every Thai has one or more of the apps you mentioned and that is how I contact them.
I do have a 2nd phone with a Thai SIM but rarely use it now. Mostly for Thai banking OTP (one time password) stuff.
P.S. : I enjoy your CH postings.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1815806]... using the phone Data service, so many Gig per month. Hardly ever use Wifi on my phone. High speed data works pretty good these days. Why be constrained to Wi-fi locations? [/QUOTE]Because data is expensive in the US (i.e. US carrier), and WiFi is free. I try to use WiFi wherever I can.
[QUOTE=Lefeu;1815876]Because data is expensive in the US (i.e. US carrier), and WiFi is free. I try to use WiFi wherever I can.[/QUOTE]Ok but change mentality in Thailand. Several gig of data per month is not expensive, or can get so much per day too.
If you don't download video, wifi becomes unnecessary here.
The convenience is much more important than savings a few pennies.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1815820]Not sure I Understand the thrust of these posts. I use Apple, as do all of my family members in the States, and use Apple FaceTime to talk free, video and / or audio frequently. To speak with friends who don't have Apple products I use Skype, which also works fine. A lot of my friends here ise Whatsapp to speak with people all over the world. I think VOIP is pretty much universal.
GE.[/QUOTE]If use video calls, does chew up a large data content. That is when Wifi might be needed in Thailand. I do that stuff from home. Voice calls use low bandwidth so no need for wifi. I travel to many countries but not USA for a few years. Germany, Italy, Sweden, Australia, Singapore, etc.
Wifi enabled is american jargon that means nothing to me.
Everything I do works eqially well on wifi data or normal phone internet service. There is no difference on my phone handset. Its a Samsung free of american restrictions I guess.
Natutally all my realtives have smart phones except mum aged 80. They can all install Voice Over Internet Protocol Apps. whether LINE, Whatsapp, Skype, Viber, etc. This means voice calls OS imternet to internet for free regardless of using Wifi or not. I gather this is not the way in the USA.
How does USA prevent it? Surely people generally have smart phones in the modern era? I guess you buy phones tied to a certain company with certain things disabled.
I buy a phone totally independently. I can put in any SIM card I like, in fact two of them together. Can only do internet on one at a time and 2nd SIM has 3G but not 4G.
I wish I would be wrong if I understood most are unable to understand the phone operational basic technology. Until now the mobile phone world is operated by two types of technology named by CDMA and GSM. The fact is CDMA developed in USA and GSM developed in Europe.
CDMA came in the market with a limitation of the phone set itself was sim card. The phone was programmed and fixed with the phone number dedicated with its provider (once upon a time). On the other hand GSM came with wide freedom using separate sim card and the phone set is usable with any GSM provider just replacing with the sim card. Later on rim card developed for CDMA system and the phone set is usable with any CDMA provider just replacing the rim card. I had read some post here before that some are unable to understand that rim card is unusable in GSM phone set and sim card unusable for CDMA phone. From few years before some phone company launched some phone sets have dual sim pocket usable by both CDMA and GSM.
In USA there are 10 to 12 mobile phone operators servicing around the country and all are CDMA system. Only AT&T and T-Mobile have GSM too, but don't have impressive amount of GSM subscribers. The largest volume of subscribers have Verizone and it is fully dedicated to CDMA. So it is very natural most peoples of USA ignored about GSM system where as rest of the world operated by GSM. So any one come out from USA having a habit of CDMA, sure he / she will get puzzled with his / her CDMA phone in GSM world. As well as we all know USA guys seeing in mirror only himself and don't care what have in left and right.
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Wifi enabled is american jargon that means nothing to me
Natutally all my realtives have smart phones except mum aged 80. They can all install Voice Over Internet Protocol Apps. whether LINE, Whatsapp, Skype, Viber, etc. This means voice calls OS imternet to internet for free regardless of using Wifi or not. I gather this is not the way in the USA.
How does USA prevent it? Surely people generally have smart phones in the modern era? I guess you buy phones tied to a certain company with certain things disabled.
I buy a phone totally independently. I can put in any SIM card I like, in fact two of them together. Can only do internet on one at a time and 2nd SIM has 3G but not 4G.[/QUOTE]The Wifi calling he is referring to is a phone and carrier specific service. It basically acts as a preinstalled VoIP service. Instead of him having to install an app such as Line or Viber or Skype, his phone automatically routes calls through VoIP when connected to wifi. It's basically a seamless way to communicate if you're a frequent talker/caller who is out of the carrier's normal service area. I and most of my friends here and elsewhere almost never talk on the phone so it's worthless for us. iMessage and other chat apps handle basically all everyday needs.
VoIP apps are popular in the US just as they are everywhere else. The only difference is which apps are used. Line is most popular in Thailand, Japan and a few other places. QQ is huge in China. iMessage, Slack, Skype and many others are big in the US. Which apps are used has nothing to do with the carriers.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1815816]It is a T-mobile thing. It is a program that is installed on their phones and can only be used with their SIM card. There is no wifi calling when I put my T-mobile SIM into the new Samsung J1 that I bought in Tukcom or any other phone that I have that I did not get from T-mobile. There is also no wifi calling when I put another company's SIM into my T-mobile phone.[/QUOTE]Not that it is a big deal but I am not sure about that. The phone I have was bought from Google not from T-Mobile. Anyway, whichever way it is, it works for me for my purposes. Thanks for the update from another ATL person (if I remember correctly).
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1815104]299 for 7 days is not a great deal either, you can get a True SIM for 50 baht plus 7 days 3G package for 99 baht + VAT (or 30 days 1.5Gb for 199 + VAT).
Unless you can suggest a specific site, the advice to "order online" does not help much (sometimes offers aimed at wealthy tourists are overpriced). As always to get a good deal simply be aware of the market prices.
Small shops can do the registration for you on the spot too.[/QUOTE]100 baht free call credit is also included in my package. And it's for 3G as well as 4G.
I was referring to the DTAC (Happy) site to order online: [URL]https://www.dtac.co.th/en/prepaid/[/URL].
Apologies if that wasn't clear.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1815104]299 for 7 days is not a great deal either, you can get a True SIM for 50 baht plus 7 days 3G package for 99 baht + VAT (or 30 days 1.5Gb for 199 + VAT).
Unless you can suggest a specific site, the advice to "order online" does not help much (sometimes offers aimed at wealthy tourists are overpriced). As always to get a good deal simply be aware of the market prices.
Small shops can do the registration for you on the spot too.[/QUOTE]Your comparison is meaningless. The price greatly depends on the total Gigabytes limit per period and on the download / upload maximum speed. 3 G is now considered slow speed, is therefore available much cheaper than HSPA, HSPA+, LTE speeds.
I use a couple of devices with no sim and through the Internet (wifi) I can use those apps.
It is the IP that can ban the voip.
Cleat that a telephone provider is not happy you use a voip to bypass their services they get the money from. So whenever they can they ban them.
One has also to see the roaming agreements between providers and what these stipulate.
Hello!
I am going to Khao lak, is there any gogo bars or similar places where I can find girls? Happy ending massages? Phuket is very far away and I don't want use my holiday sitting in taxi.
Thanks for help!
Going to make my first trip to Pattaya in a couple weeks but starting in Bangkok for a few days to see tha GF #1. Going to probably use the VR taxi service ([URL]http://www.pattaya-taxi.com/[/URL]) mentioned in other posts. The thai GF thinks I am heading off to HK for business so going to take a taxi back to BKK and then get the pattaya taxi from there, will cost me a couple hundred baht but worth it to keep up the story. My question is should I just have him drop me at departures then is it possible to get down to arrivals where the pattaya taxi would pick up? Or is there a better way? I know it's restricted to go from arrivals up to departures but is the opposite way blocked too?
Thanks for any assistance.
[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1820193]My question is should I just have him drop me at departures then is it possible to get down to arrivals where the pattaya taxi would pick up? Or is there a better way?[/QUOTE]They have to put you out at departures. But why not once you are in the taxi and away from your girl ask him how much to go to Pattaya instead? You don't need to sign up for a special taxi to go there. Just use the one you are already in. And I'm sure he will be happy to get the bigger fare.
[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1820193]Going to make my first trip to Pattaya in a couple weeks but starting in Bangkok for a few days to see tha GF #1. Going to probably use the VR taxi service ([URL]http://www.pattaya-taxi.com/[/URL]) mentioned in other posts. The thai GF thinks I am heading off to HK for business so going to take a taxi back to BKK and then get the pattaya taxi from there, will cost me a couple hundred baht but worth it to keep up the story. My question is should I just have him drop me at departures then is it possible to get down to arrivals where the pattaya taxi would pick up? Or is there a better way? I know it's restricted to go from arrivals up to departures but is the opposite way blocked too?
Thanks for any assistance.[/QUOTE]I have done just that last October. I was dropped at the departure level, did my business at the terminal, then headed to arrival and met my Pattaya taxi at the meeting point designated for arrivals. Just make sure that your VR taxi service shows up after you get dropped.
[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1820193]Going to make my first trip to Pattaya in a couple weeks but starting in Bangkok for a few days to see tha GF #1. Going to probably use the VR taxi service ([URL]http://www.pattaya-taxi.com/[/URL]) mentioned in other posts. The thai GF thinks I am heading off to HK for business so going to take a taxi back to BKK and then get the pattaya taxi from there, will cost me a couple hundred baht but worth it to keep up the story. My question is should I just have him drop me at departures then is it possible to get down to arrivals where the pattaya taxi would pick up? Or is there a better way? I know it's restricted to go from arrivals up to departures but is the opposite way blocked too?
Thanks for any assistance.[/QUOTE]Inside the terminal building it is possible to move between all levels.
The only restriction is that you cannot get [B]out[/B] easily at the departure level.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1820289]Inside the terminal building it is possible to move between all levels.
The only restriction is that you cannot get [B]out[/B] easily at the departure level.[/QUOTE]At one time in the past a soldier tried to stop me going from Arrivals level up to Departures. He claimed Farangs had been reported trying to con people at the airport in some way, or steal luggage or some other bullshit. Hard to believe and hard to see relevance on movement between levels. I had to meet someone on Departures so I merely found another way to get there (the lift). Yes I believe there are no restrictions from going from Departures level to Arrivals. Up to taxi whether he wants to deliver to Arrivals level directly or not.
I got back home to Pattaya last night. I turned my phone on to call a friend who was in town. Soon after I received messages on the Line app on my USA phone from my girlfriend asking if I was back. I am thinking how the hell does she know I am back. She has never asked anything like that before. I am wondering if someone she knows saw me or if my security guy called her.
Well I called my friend later and his phone was turned off. When it was back on it sent me a message saying it was now available. So evidently that is how she knew I was home. Does anyone know if this feature can be turned off?
Was that an sms message or line message?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1820396]I got back home to Pattaya last night. I turned my phone on to call a friend who was in town. Soon after I received messages on the Line app on my USA phone from my girlfriend asking if I was back. I am thinking how the hell does she know I am back. She has never asked anything like that before. I am wondering if someone she knows saw me or if my security guy called her.
Well I called my friend later and his phone was turned off. When it was back on it sent me a message saying it was now available. So evidently that is how she knew I was home. Does anyone know if this feature can be turned off?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1820452]Was that an sms message or line message?[/QUOTE]The system sends an SMS to the number you called from to let you know the phone line you tried to call before but could not reach is now open.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1820396]I got back home to Pattaya last night. I turned my phone on to call a friend who was in town. Soon after I received messages on the Line app on my USA phone from my girlfriend asking if I was back. I am thinking how the hell does she know I am back. She has never asked anything like that before. I am wondering if someone she knows saw me or if my security guy called her.
Well I called my friend later and his phone was turned off. When it was back on it sent me a message saying it was now available. So evidently that is how she knew I was home. Does anyone know if this feature can be turned off?[/QUOTE]I have AIS, it is part of the features in their service. I got busted the same way! Happy New Year. Now I have a Dual Sim Phone.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1820396]I got back home to Pattaya last night. I turned my phone on to call a friend who was in town. Soon after I received messages on the Line app on my USA phone from my girlfriend asking if I was back. I am thinking how the hell does she know I am back. She has never asked anything like that before. I am wondering if someone she knows saw me or if my security guy called her.
Well I called my friend later and his phone was turned off. When it was back on it sent me a message saying it was now available. So evidently that is how she knew I was home. Does anyone know if this feature can be turned off?[/QUOTE]Yes I knew your plan was fraught with danger. I have posted previously on the meed to have more than one SIM card. One for mongering especially when officially not in the country.
It is possible to claim your Thai SIM was switched on in another country. But that may not wash. I am not sure if that will send message to previous callers that your SIM is now on.
In 1991 I could get LT with a lower class Cowboy bargirl for 500 Baht plus BF and drinks. Seems super cheap but the exchange rate was not good in that year. By 1996 I could not do LT and visited Chao Praya 2 Soapy. In section where was not all inclusive, had to pay girl 1 k extra for sex. All up I forget but probably around 1500 including tip to mamasan.
Seems like prices had risen steaply in those 5 years. Then had a few years of high inflation including 1997 financial crisis and much better exchange rates for a while. Then many years of low inflation. I would expect after 20 years of inflation for prices to approx. Double. So for same thing I should be paying double. Indeed I can get roughly same service at a low end soapy for 3 k. Can get a bit cheaper at an Oily or BJ shop, and cheaper still with Street walkers.
So I don't find the modern prices too surprising. Obviously bargirls wanting 3 k for a ST are really asking for too much unless they are stunning and similar for high priced category Soapy girls.
Guys talking to girls about 2 K for LT seem delusional to me (stuck in the past) unless willing to take a very low standard for looks. I can't do that. I do know where to go to get an el cheapo fuck, but doesn't mean I choose that option so often. I do frequent high end soapies far less than before. Just can't find any amazing girls there anymore. The standard of girls has probably declined over the years or I got more fussy, or the fake stuff has just got too dominant.
May have been Utopia in 1997 when 50 Baht to the US dollar, but clearly it could not last. I was hardly in Thailand long enough to take advantage of those rates.
I have 2 clients coming over for a week to Bangkok and they want Middle Eastern and Indian girls. Any suggestions?
Thanks guys.
Happy 2016 and safe mongering.
[QUOTE=MickyMouse;1820937]I have 2 clients coming over for a week to Bangkok and they want Middle Eastern and Indian girls. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]Middle Eastern (or maybe Central Asian ex-Soviet pretending to be Middle Eastern) hookers hang out near Grace Hotel and Soi 4, the Arab soi, including the clubs in the area.
Indian is going to be difficult, you simply won't reliably find Indian hookers in Bangkok on any given night. On a few occasions, I saw Indian streetwalkers in Yaowarat area (near Wong Wian 22 and surrounding streets), including a very pretty 22 year old for just 500 baht. However, apart from being hit-and-miss (for Indians) the experience is very low-end.
If you're entertaining clients, do some recon first. There's no sure-shot venue with a reliable selection of specific women of the rather uncommon profile you're seeking. If I had to do this, I'd make contacts, do some testing, and call up on them as needed, sticking to the nicer venues for drinking.
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So I don't find the modern prices too surprising.
[/QUOTE]You're right, prices have not risen by all that much (pretty much in line with Thai inflation). The problem is that we get way worse service than before, and good experiences are few and far between.
I'd be fine with paying 2 k for the service and experience I used to get 10 years ago for 1 k (with roughly the same reliability / flake rate). But that's just not going to happen. Unfortunately, although I could easily pay way more, meh-looking Thai hookers providing perfunctory service (which seems to be the norm these days) is hardly worth much more than 700 baht to me (in a sense that 700 baht worth of eating out would provide a way more pleasurable experience).
My scene were mostly freelancers (mostly from Sukhumwit ain Bangkok, many from Pattaya). About a decade ago, they used to be 20% great, 60% good and 15% underwhelming and 5% bad / unpleasant. Now it's more like 5% great, 30% good, 50% underwhelming and 15% outright bad.
It used to be easy to get decent-looking, fresh woman, to come back to a hotel or apartment 20 min away by taxi for a relaxed 1-2 h session with 2 shots. They mostly appeared to be happy to be with the customer and to enjoy a bit of sex (some of it surely an act, but still, agreeable enough). Now, the norm is that they press for a local short-time hotel, cut the pleasantries and do the job as quickly as they can.
In addition, Thai inflation and wages have gone way faster than Western wages. 1 k baht ($30) was negligible for a western expat or visitor 10-20 years ago, but 2-3 k ($60-$90), while not outrageous, is real money, especially for something of increasingly dubious and uncertain value like short time encoutners these days.
As for long time, in the old days, it used to cost 1. 5 x to 2 x as much as a short time, and women used to prefer it, especially later in the evening. These days, Thai hookers tend to have several ST clients per night, so most cannot be bothered with LT at all. Even when some could be convinced by paying way over the odds, a proper LT requires more chemistry than a ST, which is increasingly lacking, and I don't care to sleep next to someone who'd rather be elsewhere.
I will be soon traveling to Bangkok and would like to know if there is any limit of cash in dollars we can carry at immigration?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=AkashMal;1821152]I will be soon traveling to Bangkok and would like to know if there is any limit of cash in dollars we can carry at immigration?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]I do not think any country really has a limit. You just have to declare if you are carrying over a certain amount.