Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Aslan]Speaking of liquor prices. WTF is going on in go go bars? My last trip I noticed fewer customers and I'm wondering is some of it has to do with the price of a drink in addition to the economy. Some places were charging 150 baht for a Singha and how much are they in 7 eleven? I can understand a profit, but gouging the customer then expecting them to down the drinks like they did when they were cheaper is stupid. You can either sell more at a lower price and capture profit or do it the Thai way and sell fewer at a larger profit and lose business. The bar fines are getting a bit expensive too. You can get a short timer in Pattaya for the price of some bar fines. How is this good business when fewer tourists are visiting Thailand? I would hesitate to bar fine a girl in a go go unless I had prior experience with her so these bar fines are hurting the girl's business. If you're going to be charging greater prices you better be providing better quality or you're going to lose business. I want to open a club with minimal bar fines and reasonable drinks which means more girls would be taken by happier customers and we'd have more asses in seats which would attract better looking girls. The snowball effect.[/QUOTE]You are right dude. Wish you to open that kind of club.

I will be one of your first customers.

[QUOTE=Syzygy X]Unfortunately a fair percentage of the Arabs are an assault to the sensibilities of my large snoz. But of course plenty of westerners pong too. Its just a lower percentage.
Guys, its sticky and you need to "Ap Naam" (shower) a lot in Thailand.
I love the fragrant Thai pussy. Thais rarely have body odour. They are so lucky.

When I stayed in Zenith Hotel Soi 3, the Arabs really seemed to stare at me a lot like I was from another planet. It wasn't hard to feel out of place.

But I did have a really good session with a stripper girl from Pakistan once. So I will take each one as I find her.[/QUOTE]

Well, Syzygy X, I am not sure if there is a forum rule not to insult a special group of people, or single persons. I think I did it myself when I wrote that I don't like the Indians, because of my experience with them. I met a guy in Pattaya who has Indian roots, but he was grown up in Canda and he is a very fine and good mannered guy. I guess many Indians are good guys, too. Just the ones in Thailand don't behave in a way how we would expect it as good manners in western countries.
Well, most likely they have their own standards, nevertheless I do not like how they don't make space for others, instead jostle everybody in their way, without a word of sorry. They don't stay in line on a counter and so on.
Arabs are not exactly the same. They are a bit more thoughtful and even friendly when you treat them in the same way like you would like to be treaten. There laws and rules are not fair for outsider, but personally I had never problems with Arabs. I like their food and their women are beautiful. Just a pity that they are so well guarded.;-)
Btw. Pakistanian are no Arabs. They are rather familar with north western Indians.

But, back to Bangkok. When I am walking in Soi 3 I don't get bad looks. I even went once in the Grace Hotel to check the Disco there, had no Problems. The most Arabs nowadays are together with their wives. So, imho they come for shopping and medical checks, mainly. Indian guys in Thailand go there for mongering. Seldom saw Indian guys with Indian chicks. So, as a fact Indians are much more a kind of competition, though the lower class Indians stick more with the cheaper street *****s, since they have not the money for the GoGos. Richer Indians prefer with girls and you will find them in CM2, Spicy, Bossy to chase CIS and expat girls.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Their are many Arabs in the NEP area of BKK. I don't like how certain peoples, often very fat, walk in that area side by side on the sidewalk, blocking it like they own it, and make you walk around them. Word from TGs is they are very cheap and smelly. One girl told me one of them at 7-11 was staring down her bra at her big boobs and she slapped him in the face!

As for staying in line, I read recently that it is customary for Thais to also butt in out of turn, unless their is a cord like at a theatre such as Siam Paragon, or at a bank machine lineup. I found this has happened to me a few times, such as at a grocery store or skytrain station. Best not to start a fight and have 100 Thais on top of you beating you bloody and unconscious; [/QUOTE]PP,

You surprise me on this post. Let's not make accusasations on nationalities or race here, it is a pointless and stupid debate. I get accused of being farang but I'm an islander.

I look at girls big boobs also and often joke if I can play with them (you would be surprised how many times that has worked also), and I've had guys pinch my TGF's ass when we are in elevators or walking down the street, families walk down Sukhumvit / nana area with strollers blocking everything, African girls jump out and accost you in certain areas and the LB's are all over in some areas, many farang walk side by side even with their rent a wife's for a few hours, and yes if you snooze you loose when standing in line waiting to pay. You also have many Thai wait for us dumb foreigners and ask us to go ahead of them. Sometimes people are rushed for their work or such and it is polite to let them go ahead of you if you are not rushed. But this happens in many countries not just thai.

This is some of the joy's of BKK that make it unique. Many Arabs are clean and nice and enjoyable people and then you got bad ones that give all Arabs a bad name also. But same for you German's, English, French, American's, Canadians, Aussies, etc.

Soi 3 is just the area where many of the Arabs are located. So there is a higher concentration of the good and the bad. I will agree that many Arabs do not set / show the best example of their country when on holiday, but neither do the other nationalities that are in BKK.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]My experience in late 2008-early 2009 is that SW prices were the same, but quality of service improved. Ladies seemed more desperate for getting customers, by their agressiveness on the street, via phone, and in general guys being more able to be the boss & dictate terms.[/QUOTE]I am not sure if the number of tourists whose come because of mongering reasons, dropped so tramatically. The shear number of tourists might have dropped, but that my be because there are less package tours from Russia, China and what ever country else.

I got this feeling that the number of Indians and Arabs tourists have not been dropped.

Ok, the bars are less full like in November, but we have now low season. Many Mongers don't care to much about the political situation. The first tourists whose came back after the Tsunami in Phuket were Mongers, because they thought the prices will be low.

So, the price of mongering is much more an issue.

The prices of drinks in GoGos and Clubs are quite high, compare to the price of sex. Imagine a beer in a usual disco is about 180 Baht. A ST will costs you 1000. 2000 Baht (depending how good looking the girl is, or how ugly the customer). So, the price of sex is about 5. 10 beers.

The prices for accomodation, transportation, shopping, restaurants, etc are low as well. So, the whole package is still OK I would say. Nevertheless I think the Gogos make not more so much money with selling sex, but with Alcohol.

Guess the girls earn still enough with tips, ladydrinks and their income.

I do very seldom barfine, since it's possible to find enough freelancer.

As long as there is no cheap alternative, many mongers will still go to Thailand.

Just for your reference:
Last night I went to a birthday party of a Thai friend of mine near Udom Sak and Sukhumvit 105/2, Bang Na, that's near Central and the Big C. I had planned to stay overnight and take the bus back to Pattaya the next day. However there were so many people that I decided to get a cab at 2 p.m. and go back to sleep in my own bed. After some negotiating we settled on Bt. 1,100. The driver kept the meter on and at the bus depot on Pattaya Nua Rd. it showed Bt. 997.

[QUOTE=Frankfurter]Just for your reference:

Last night I went to a birthday party of a Thai friend of mine near Udom Sak and Sukhumvit 105/2, Bang Na, that's near Central and the Big C. I had planned to stay overnight and take the bus back to Pattaya the next day. However there were so many people that I decided to get a cab at 2 p.m. and go back to sleep in my own bed. After some negotiating we settled on Bt. 1,100. The driver kept the meter on and at the bus depot on Pattaya Nua Rd. it showed Bt. 997.[/QUOTE]Frankfurter,

One an dumb ass taxi driver.

When you already agree on a fare, he should turn off the meter.

So did you paid the agreed fare or save 100 bht.

Fast eddie 48

[QUOTE=DG69]Well, Syzygy X, I am not sure if there is a forum rule not to insult a special group of people, or single persons.[/QUOTE]No one can deny there's such a thing as cultural differences. Then within cultures there's also differences. Here in VN I saw an Indian walk into a hostess bar, and the girl I was with begged off of our having a drink because she said he was her really good customer. He was tall, handsome (in that Bollywood leading man way) and dressed classy, expensive watch, etc. My guess is he was a well-off businessman, probly upper class. This is not a guy who would try to shove his way to the front of a queue at 7-11. So there's also class differences and individual differences involved. I mean, imagine if Thais judged whites according to the English football hooligan types they saw in Pattaya. Humans seemed to be programmed to think in this irrational way, switching to "THEY" so easily and associating "they" with a particular race,automatically. But if a red cube doesn't roll down a slope, but a blue ball does, you don't think it's due to their colors. If a vast majority of balls you saw were blue, and cubes red, you might be forgiven for thinking so, but hopefully you'd still be able to figure out that it's not the color. But the shapes do correspond to 'culture' -- so as long as you realize there's variation in Indian culture -- strong trends but also significant deviations, then you're on the path to a healthier way of looking at it. IMHO.

I'll arrive downtown not before 2:30h am tomorrow night - any place to have fun that late?

Thanks for an advice,

Shamuc

[QUOTE=Shamuc]I'll arrive downtown not before 2:30h am tomorrow night - any place to have fun that late?

Thanks for an advice,

Shamuc[/QUOTE]No, problem Shamuc. You will be out of airport within 30-60 min. Than take a taxi at the platform in front of the departure level (which is a level higher than arrival) and you will be in your Hotel in less than 30 min (guess it's along Sukhumvit).

So, it's now 4 qm maybe 3:30 am. Take a quick shower and take a taxi to Spicy at Rung Muang Soi 1, if you looking Ok and fit. You will not have a problem to find a pretty Freelancer.

If you are not more in the mood for a disco or club, just walk up and down lower Sukhumvit, there are quite pretty girls until early morning.

@Wendella, totally agree.

Hi Barko ,

Mission accopolised in Thailand . Enjoyed with Ti** in Tulip

Was a good exp . I just have to follow your guidelines and nothing more . It was so simple to have fun in Bangkok with out much trouble

Could not move out to Nana plaza as i was tired the night i arrived and just came across the area . Had some sight seeing across and Thailand is definitely a great place to have fun

Thanks to all others who gave me usefull info and will like to be here again in the future

Cheers,

Luca

After Hours If you’re not into the lame weekend crowds of the more popular After Hours places, check out Boss Club on Petchaburi 39. I went there for the first time last week. It’s surprisingly close as well to Suk Soi 4 as Petchaburi 39 is right by the Suk Soi 3 and Petchaburi Road intersection.

I heard that The Tunnel which has been closed for a little while, is re-opening next week. Will share more info. as it comes. Also, Lucky seems to be closed now so After After Hours is now dominated by Swing.

Other After Hours clubs: Bossy Club, Spice, and Spicy are still going strong and later and later every week, although Spice has been closed early a few times in the past few weeks. Farang speak too much!!

My first week in bangkok. Been quite busy with work but managed to get away and get a good massage. Visited Anne’s where the lady I had (katoon) told me it had been very quite of late.

I had a lady called Katoon for a 90-minute oil massage. Very sweet lady who is 26 but looks 21. Had a great time with her, nothing was too much trouble and she also seems to enjoy our time together. I can more than recommend her to people who are looking for a GFE with the benefits.

Cost was 1500bht plus 600bht to the house.

Many girls to choose from. Some finish work at 7pm others stay until later.

They also have a photo Album to flip through.

Enjoy

Sure its safe to go with the wife


[QUOTE=Studley]Hi folks. Will be visiting BKK with the wife very shortly.

And she is curious and wants to check out some girlie bars in BKK.

Is Soi Cowboy a safe place to take her? Any bars you folks can recommend.

She will probably just have a drink, watch me oogle at the girls and leave

I've made arrangements for a "meeting" the next day so I can get my soapy massage done l

Thanks

S[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Studley]Hi folks. Will be visiting BKK with the wife very shortly.

And she is curious and wants to check out some girlie bars in BKK.

Is Soi Cowboy a safe place to take her? Any bars you folks can recommend.

She will probably just have a drink, watch me oogle at the girls and leave

I've made arrangements for a "meeting" the next day so I can get my soapy massage done l

Thanks

S[/QUOTE]I've been with my wife in Soi Cowboy in a few clubs. You'll see any evening a handful of farang ladies walking around with and without husbands.

We enjoyed Midnite. Try to sit in one of the booths on the left when you enter. This will give the girls a chance to get up close and personal with y'all in what will still seem a bit secluded.

I started my Thailand vacation yesterday. Wish to contribute on different issues at specific threads. As I am a newbie, although this is 3rd time for me in LOS, my reports will be from a newbie'e perspective.

Arrived in Bangkok (Subarnavumi International Airport) at around 2 PM. A different expereince from the start as I see many are wearing masks for H1N1 flu. Anyway, after immigration (which is always a easy process, if you fill out the Arrival Document Form properly and can answer a few questions from the immigration officer such as where are staying, how long etc.), proceeded to collect my luggage and walked thru the customs. If you have large size luggage, then they will scan again, but if nothing suspicious or you don't act weird, they will not ask to open your bags.

The arrival is on the 2nd level of the airport terminal. As you walk past customs, as you come out, you will see an Taxi/ Bus Booth (An AOT Booth) on your left and money exchange booth in front. Most likely you will see exit gates 2 or 3 in front you. I proceeded on the right, passed the awaiting greeters of incoming passengers, taxi hawkers etc. After walking past 2 minutes (I am still inside the terminal), there is Left Luggage office, right beside Tourist Police Office. The Left Luggage Office is managed by Chubb Inc., a private company. I left one of my 2 pieces of luggage as I won't be needing that for this part of the journey. The cost is 100 baht per day.

After this, I proceeded to 3rd level by escelators, where restaurants are, to eat my launch. Then I came down to the 1st level. Here as yoo walk towards your left you will moving towards gate number 8 (the last exit gate). Near the gate you will see Bell Transportation Booth for you to go to Pattaya. Near the gate, you will also see a booth for City Bus, the AE Bus Service (I am still inside the terminal and has not exited the building yet). In the City Bus Booth, I purchased a Ticket for Bus number AE3 to go to Sukhumvit. The Ticket cost 150 Baht. The Bus was waiting right outside the gate on the street and I didn't have to to take a Shuttle to go to another terminal. If you are travelling Solo and only have a piece of luggage, then it is a good way to go to Sukhumvit. Once inside the Bus, they will ask you where you hotel is and will drop you on Sukhumvit Road on the Soi (Thai for Road or Street) that you hotel is on. Then you have to walk to your hotel.

I am staying in the Swiss Park Hotel, More on this on the Bangkok Hotel Thread.

I arrived around 4:30 PM. Took a shower. Then started my day in LOS. As I walked on the Sukhuvit Road, there were lots of tourists, mainly Arabs and Indiand and of course Europeans mainly in couple or with familis strolling down the road and making walking on teh street bewteen the street vendors very difficult.
In my previous visit a year ago, I noticed many freelancers on the street. This time not so. Also, the quality of girls is not the same compared to last time I was here. I walked down to where the Robinson Department Store is near Soi 17 (or is it Soi 18), near Asok BTS Station (an elevated Subway Line), and then walked up to Nana Entertainment Plaza, near Soi three. On my way, I stopped at Beer Garden on Soi 7, a famous bar/ restaurant, where freelancers hang. Saw the place not crowded (but it was early). I did this (walking from NEP to/ from Robinsons Department Store) 5/6 times and my feet started to hurt. I was looking for a freelancer that would caught my eye but I got dissapointed as times passed. There are a few freelancers, along with lado boys, standing near the Sturbucks. I spoke to a few of them, and no one seem to interested for LT. So, I asked for ST rate, and they were quoting 1000 baht. I settled for 700 baht for one of them as it was near 9 pm.

We came back to the hotel. I was tired from long travel, from 2 hours of constant walking and I hadn't had s*x for 2 months. So, it was over quickly. Her attitude and performance was mechanical, so that didn't help either. Anyway, I let her go as per contract. Came down for dinner in one of many restaurants near the hotel. Then straight to bed.

More on the Hotel and Girl in Hotel & Photo threads respectively later.

In G-clubs you are entitled, as a membership (if you are), to consume certain quantities of drinks.

Can you invite some friends (non-members) to share the bottle of whisky with them without extra charge?

Are lady drinks included in these "certain quantities" or paid extra?

[blue]Greetings Everyone,

I recently cleaned up this thread by deleting a number of off-topic and otherwise antagonistic posts, as well as a number responses made by other forum members to these deleted posts.

This cleanup process is not perfect, and it's possible that I may have inadvertently deleted a few otherwise legitimate posts. If you find that your own report was also deleted, please don't take it personally.

FYI, the most prolific and antagonistic instigator in this thread has been returned to full moderation status, which I suspect will greatly reduce the discourse. In hindsight, I should never have removed him from moderated status a couple of weeks ago, but everybody makes mistakes.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE=Spider916]Sure its safe to go with the wife[/QUOTE]

Well, except when the sword fights break out, of course.

;)

Ok. Here I go again. I realize that no newbies will benefit from my report if they are looking for message parlors that specializes in full service. I am more of a free lancer type of a guy. Save me the cost of buying drink which may or may not bring any result and also save me the cost of barfine if there is one.

The 2nd day I basically did some touristy stuff and visited my favourite mall of all places the Siam Paragon Center. I haven't seen this much contrast in wealth within so close of a distance. There are beggers on the street asking for baht, and you have the shops in this mall where a product is selling in 5 figure if not more. Beside that, its beautifull inside :)

Anyway, one other thing that I would like to mention is the exchange rates. It seems different banks/ agents give you different rate, which you can see tyhru the glass window. If you look at few of these exchange places, you may get a difference of 70 baht on the dollar. The one I find usually have better rates is the one opposite beergarden on Soi 7 or the one as you enter Soi 7, close to New Wave.

In the evening, I strolled around Sulhumvit again like the day before. There are few more girls this evening and quite a few them in from of Thermae, Soi 15. One of them smiles at me as I walk by and I return the favor. We talk a little on the side and she seems to have good attitude. We settle 800 for ST and head for our hotel.

Better performance and attitude then the day before. More on the Photo THread when I get a chance to upload the pictures.

Now to Phuket :)

[QUOTE=Ny Desiman]If you look at few of these exchange places, [b]you may get a difference of 70 baht on the dollar.[/b] The one I find usually have better rates is the one opposite beergarden on Soi 7 or the one as you enter Soi 7, close to New Wave.[/QUOTE]

Um.... that's quite a generous rate. ;)

Hi folks.

As promised, here are my Bangkok’s movies

1) 2009-07-23_Bkk-Day1-Girl2.mp4
Size ; 22,4 Mo
Time : 2’44”
Subject : Hand Job & Ass fingering
Quality : Ok
Original Post : [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=908426&postcount=6833[/url]

2) 2009-07-24_Bkk-Day2-Girl2.mp4
Size ; 14,5 Mo
Time : 1’47”
Subject : Doggy & Ass fingering
Quality : Bad due to poor light conditions
Original Post : [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=908431&postcount=6834[/url]

3) 2009-07-25_Bkk-Day3-Girl1.mp4
Size ; 24,1 Mo
Time : 2’53”
Subject : Doggy
Quality : Ok
Original Post : [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=908974&postcount=6875[/url]

Movies are on the link below.
It’s in French but I’m sure you can manage it easy.

[url]http://macle.voila.fr/index.php?m=c9ae77e8&a=7d397569&share=LNK14684a7be37a63741[/url]

Hope you’ll enjoy them.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Wendella]Um.... that's quite a generous rate. ;)[/QUOTE]

My Bad :) I meant to say 70 baht for a 100 Dollar change. Sorry.

[QUOTE=Ny Desiman]My Bad :) I meant to say 70 baht for a 100 Dollar change. Sorry.[/QUOTE]70 baht for 100 dollars?

I thouight the rate was close to 34 baht = 1 US dollar

[QUOTE=Ny Desiman]My Bad :) I meant to say 70 baht for a 100 Dollar change. Sorry.[/QUOTE]

70 baht for 100 ??? I will happily change your money for you :D Please tell me how much and when you will be there I will gladly meet you and I'll even give you 80 baht for 100 Dollar :D :D

I think you mean the variance was up to 70 baht between different money exchanges for exchanging 100 Dollar?

I've been living in Rangsit for a little over a year and had to travel to BKK for action until today. Today I found a great massage/restaurant that can compete with any of the establishments in Bangkok as far as the quality and quantity of the girls are concern. On top of that the prices are way lower for food, drinks, and the girls than Bangkok. I was getting tired of payment 150B for a drink at some of the Bkk go-go bars.

So for expats living a little north of the city ( Rangsit) there's hope.

Happy hunting

"The face of the streets around Sukhumvit soi 3 has been changed by an influx of sex workers from the former Soviet Union."

[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/investigation/9555/the-uzbeki-invasion[/url]

Writer: Maxmilian Wechsler
Published: 11/01/2009 at 12:00 AM
Newspaper section: Spectrum

[quote]Over the past 10 years, sex workers from the former Soviet Union have arrived in Thailand. What started as a small trickle of Russian women eventually became a flood, with women from Uzbekistan taking the lead, followed by women from all over the former Soviet Union.

Most recently, a few women from Kazakhstan and Tajikistan have started to arrive in Thailand, joining foreign sex workers from India, Turkey, the Middle East, Morocco and other African countries. However, these other foreign nationals only number in the dozens, while the Uzbekis are here in the hundreds.

Spectrum has conducted a lengthy investigation over several months, interviewing Russian and Uzbeki sex workers (in the Russian language) to discover why and how they got here, the way they operate, who controls them and also to gain an insight into their lives here and back home.

All the women we spoke to, no matter where they came from and in spite of their different upbringings, had several things in common _ most were aged between 30 and 40 and came from a poor family, and all were married with at least one child. Their main objective was to make money and return home. All the women from Uzbekistan who agreed to be interviewed were Muslims.

They can be divided into three categories. Those who work for an organised gang, those who have a pimp and the freelancers.[/quote]Continued at the link above.

[QUOTE=Ghatotkach]70 baht for 100 dollars?

I thouight the rate was close to 34 baht = 1 US dollar[/QUOTE]

C'mmon guys, if you read my posts from the begining, then you would realize that I corrected the original post to say variance of 70 baht for 100 dollars if you look around (my original post said 70 baht for 1 dollar, which was a typo).

[QUOTE=Ny Desiman]C'mmon guys, if you read my posts from the begining, then you would realize that I corrected the original post to say variance of 70 baht for 100 dollars if you look around (my original post said 70 baht for 1 dollar, which was a typo).[/QUOTE]Sorry man. I saw it and realized exactly what you really meant immediately (thinking about it for a second, it's obvious you must've meant the spread on $100), but thought it'd be fun to tease you about it. That's all. No offense meant. ;)

I never went back again to see the edited change you made.

[QUOTE=Wendella]How did you find out she died?[/QUOTE]She was member of a clan of freelancer turning around beergarden thaerme. Did not see her for a while in thaerme therefore friends told me she dead. And sometime she had a food stoll outside thaerme/ small street bar. Ps. I am leaving in Bangkok since 17 years. And know at least about 20 girls who dead from aids. Also some farangs.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Sorry man. I saw it and realized exactly what you really meant immediately (thinking about it for a second, it's obvious you must've meant the spread on $100), but thought it'd be fun to tease you about it. That's all. No offense meant. ;)

I never went back again to see the edited change you made.[/QUOTE]

No offense taken. Thanks. In fact, I say to The Pro, that Wendella was not vindictive. He has posted some usefull posts in this forum.

[QUOTE=PauloThai]Hi Col Bog 1,

It is indeed no problem at all to "lire" all 3 of your adventure movies.

Very pity the light conditions in movie number 2 are so bad.
Movie number 3 is just great action and a good sight on the girl.

I regret that movie number1 does not show much of the girl. I have no
problem with your dick. BTW she had hard work and did a good job, but
I hope you understand we like the girls better. We did not see much of her.
So if you have more of the girl in movie number1 then that would be great.

All together I thank you for the stories, the pics and the movies.
I can only say I (we) enjoyed all you shared with us.

Cheers![/QUOTE]Hi Paulo.

Yes, I know, I'm not a porno movie maker.

I have no technical staff to take care of the light, no one for the make-up of the girl, and I have to shoot the movie all by myself while doing the girl, most time they will have no idea of what I'm doing and think I'm taking pictures.

But, in another hand, they are first hand testimony of how the girl acts.

I do have trouble with light sometimes and this is why I always put a warning on quality when the movie is difficult to see.

I really wish I could do better, but I'm short of ideas of how to do it.

But my major difficulty comes from the girls, as most of them would refuse any picture. You may have notice that I "only" have post 3 movies while, I had 5 girls in my 3 days in Bkk.

The situation has also been difficult in Pattaya with 6 movies for 10 girls in 6 days (you can see the post here : [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=914843&postcount=2836[/url] ).

Thanks for your good words on the share.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Col Bog 1]Hi Paulo.

Yes, I know, I'm not a porno movie maker.

I have no technical staff to take care of the light, no one for the make-up of the girl, and I have to shoot the movie all by myself while doing the girl, most time they will have no idea of what I'm doing and think I'm taking pictures.

But, in another hand, they are first hand testimony of how the girl acts.

I do have trouble with light sometimes and this is why I always put a warning on quality when the movie is difficult to see.

I really wish I could do better, but I'm short of ideas of how to do it.

But my major difficulty comes from the girls, as most of them would refuse any picture. You may have notice that I "only" have post 3 movies while, I had 5 girls in my 3 days in Bkk.

The situation has also been difficult in Pattaya with 6 movies for 10 girls in 6 days (you can see the post here : [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=914843&postcount=2836[/url] ).

Thanks for your good words on the share.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I have been fortunate to make a few movies with a few ladies in Manila. First I tell them they can wear a mask so no one would recognise them. That usually gives them a sense of securityt.

Then I bring along a big heavy duty flashlight. Too many hotel rooms are dark and a good cameraman needs light LOL

Once I bought my favourite porn star chat mate to a hotel that was really dark. Walked out to hardware store and replaced hotesl 20w bulbs with 100w. That created some sweet memories. Appropriately stored in password protected memory sticks.

Came into BKK last Saturday late around midnite. The Taxi driver from the airport, took a different route into Sukhumvit by way of Asoke. After the Taxi exited the expressway, he drove down the road onto a dirt road and to my surprise, there was a line up of 20-25 thai girls, a few other taxi's stopped talking to the girls, and one thai guy who looked like he was in charge. As we drove by, I noticed the thai girls were pretty good looking, dressed in skirts and looked pretty nice, not what I had expected for freelancers out this far. I asked the taxi driver what the going rate was and he said 1500 Baht, not sure how accurate that is, but I'm sure there is some bargaining going on.

Never got a chance to go back out there and never heard this mentioned on the board before, so looking forward to a report of this line up or if anyone has already been there (a link to a report).

just back from bkk and hua hin, as i was travelling and entertaining family and friends my mongering time was very restricted. i really only had an hour or so here and there to catch a bit of fun. cause of my time constraints i mainly ended up at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s for a bbbjcim. more often than not this left me somewhat satisfied, but not fully – nothing to do with the girls bj skills – but left wanting more than bj i guess a bit of 'bump 'n grind' could had helped alot! but nonetheless had to make do! anyway, first opportunity at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s bkk (suk. soi 8), was late evening around 9pm. as i approached the girls sitting outside tried to scan for a girl to my liking. one girl stood up immediately, i guess she was next on the rota, but was not having any of that. this was my restricted time and it will be on my terms. indicated to her to sit down, had a quick chat with all the girls while i concluded my choice. made my choice and went inside, ordered a beer. the bar was empty with the exception of 4 guys sitting at one of the booths on the left. one made the comment to the other guys as i came in with my chosen girl – 'you do realise this is one of these. emmm bj bars? ' silence from the other boys. aahh bless them, perhaps they are bit slow off the mark. what the hell were you doing in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s not exactly a major buzzing bar with crowds beating their way in?

anyway, nam is a cute girl claimed to be 21, not exactly a looker mind you they never really are in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s. was invited upstairs, gratefully accepted. place has not changed in 2 years since i was here last. as documented before the room has a series of booths on each side black curtains pulled where busy, usually with the serving lady's feet peeping out under the curtain as she 'entertains'.

although they could do with freshening the place, it had a pungent smell, with a strong hint of bo. anyway, nam did her duty with the wipes and gave a satisfactory bbbjcim – tried to get her to remove her top but she was reluctant so did not push it. went down stairs, the four slow boys had left or were upstairs getting done, or outside doing themselves – anyway bar was empty. bill came 700bth for bj + 165bth for beer. handed a 1, 000bth gave nam change plus 100bth, she seems happy.

next venture was in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s in hua hin, which is reported in the other places section.

came back to bkk towards the end of my holiday, got the opportunity to hit gulliver's and the beer garden. again time was tight, first stop gulliver's it was around 7pm, did a quick scout, there were very few girls there at that time and any decent girls did not seem interested – certainly eye contact was lacking.

made my way to the beer garden, grabbed a drink scouted about saw a couple of potentials. was making eye contact with one cute girl, indicated for her to join me but she wanted me to go to her and her friend at the bar who was with another guy. was not interested in social chat was there to pick and go.

another girl approached, joy was her name, made pleasantries and then talked business, she wanted 1, 500bth st, laughed and said no. she asked me how much i replied 500bth, she countered with 1, 000bth and agreed on 700bth and if she take care good 1, 000bth or more if she take care very good!

went to st hotel nearby, adequate room with double bed, shower and mirrored ceiling. joy is 32yo, 5ft3in around 48kg nice body – no kids – tight but very wet pussy. she gave a good and enthusiastic service, indicated bareback sex but ignored and went in covered. had three shots, first bj – she swallowed with a smile, fuck multiple position and finally fuck with finish in mouth – again with a smile. mind you she worked hard on the last round, as i was nearly quitting but she insisted she take care.

joy was a bit older than i would normally go for even though i am only 35 myself, but have to say her eagerness to please was very satisfying, while the sex was not mind blowing, i really liked her and would have no hesitate in going lt with her next time. paid her 1, 200bth (+300bth for st hotel), she was really happy as was i!

to round off the holiday got the chance to go for a 11am bj at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, girls name escapes me but she had great bj skill, took her time bringing me to the edge and back several times before allowing me to blow and boy did i blow. she did not stop until it just got too sensitive for me, she eventually released my dick with great laughter from both of us. it then occurred to me she swallowed the lot, which was a first for me at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, usually they discreetly spit into a tissue or wipe. left satisfied and just about ready for my flight, but sad to be leaving los.

as mentioned, upstairs at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s bkk leaves alot to be desired, the smell in the service room is not the best. they could freshen it up alot. whereas [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s hua hin the service rooms are fresh and airy, also the attitude of the girls in hua hin is abit more relaxed as they immediately removed their tops without request.

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[QUOTE=Soyboy]Came into BKK last Saturday late around midnite. The Taxi driver from the airport, took a different route into Sukhumvit by way of Asoke. After the Taxi exited the expressway, he drove down the road onto a dirt road and to my surprise, there was a line up of 20-25 thai girls, a few other taxi's stopped talking to the girls, and one thai guy who looked like he was in charge. As we drove by, I noticed the thai girls were pretty good looking, dressed in skirts and looked pretty nice, not what I had expected for freelancers out this far. I asked the taxi driver what the going rate was and he said 1500 Baht, not sure how accurate that is, but I'm sure there is some bargaining going on.

Never got a chance to go back out there and never heard this mentioned on the board before, so looking forward to a report of this line up or if anyone has already been there (a link to a report).[/QUOTE]

You probably went down Makkason road. Most of the freelancers used to work on one street over in front of or in the coffee shop of Siam Hotel before they tore it down. This is mostly a local thai scene and most girls don't speak english. It is 1500 baht if you use the ST hotel close by. A lot of girls are hesitant to come to your hotel but tell them you will pay them a few hundred extra baht for taxi and some will come. I didn't have trouble getting them to go to my hotel in Ratchada but some wouldn't go to Sukumvit. The quality over there is not bad since there are some uni students or office workers trying to earn a few extra baht.

Col,

Tried several times to get at your movies. I've clicked on the folder, but all that happens then is I get routed to a page that refers to "stockage'", which, from the looks of it, is the site asking me to sign on the dotted line. No thumbnails, no pics at all. Ah, well, guess I'll have to live without seeing your triumphs.

Thanks for trying to help, appreciate it.

What was the name of a ST Hotel near Beer Garden?

[QUOTE=Horntoad]You probably went down Makkason road. Most of the freelancers used to work on one street over in front of or in the coffee shop of Siam Hotel before they tore it down. This is mostly a local thai scene and most girls don't speak english. It is 1500 baht if you use the ST hotel close by. A lot of girls are hesitant to come to your hotel but tell them you will pay them a few hundred extra baht for taxi and some will come. I didn't have trouble getting them to go to my hotel in Ratchada but some wouldn't go to Sukumvit. The quality over there is not bad since there are some uni students or office workers trying to earn a few extra baht.[/QUOTE]It's not Makkasan, it's Kamphaeng Phet 7 - the track-side road is called Makkasan between Ratchaprarop and Nana, then jogs to the left and changes its name. Parts of the road have disappeared or become impassable due to the construction of the Airport Link train, but the girls are out there every night between Asoke and Phet Uthai.

[QUOTE=Castlerae]Col,

Tried several times to get at your movies. I've clicked on the folder, but all that happens then is I get routed to a page that refers to "stockage'", which, from the looks of it, is the site asking me to sign on the dotted line. No thumbnails, no pics at all. Ah, well, guess I'll have to live without seeing your triumphs.

Thanks for trying to help, appreciate it.[/QUOTE]Tried the different links and all worked and could watch the movies.

Opens just as a folder with a directory and go from there.

[QUOTE=Soyboy]Came into BKK last Saturday late around midnite. The Taxi driver from the airport, took a different route into Sukhumvit by way of Asoke. After the Taxi exited the expressway, he drove down the road onto a dirt road and to my surprise, there was a line up of 20-25 thai girls, a few other taxi's stopped talking to the girls, and one thai guy who looked like he was in charge. As we drove by, I noticed the thai girls were pretty good looking, dressed in skirts and looked pretty nice, not what I had expected for freelancers out this far. I asked the taxi driver what the going rate was and he said 1500 Baht, not sure how accurate that is, but I'm sure there is some bargaining going on.

Never got a chance to go back out there and never heard this mentioned on the board before, so looking forward to a report of this line up or if anyone has already been there (a link to a report).[/QUOTE]How did they look, compared to, say, Nana parking lot?

And can you pinpoint it better -- I'm not a local, so not sure where it is the expressway ends exactly.

THanks

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]I've been living in Rangsit for a little over a year and had to travel to BKK for action until today. Today I found a great massage / restaurant that can compete with any of the establishments in Bangkok as far as the quality and quantity of the girls are concern. On top of that the prices are way lower for food, drinks, and the girls than Bangkok. I was getting tired of payment 150B for a drink at some of the Bkk go-go bars.

So for expats living a little north of the city ( Rangsit) there's hope.

Happy hunting[/QUOTE]I'd be interested in any additional information you have on this place. I too have been making the long trek (sometimes daily when the GF is at Uni). Is it on the famous oilie/soapy/other map?

[QUOTE=Wendella]How did they look, compared to, say, Nana parking lot?

And can you pinpoint it better -- I'm not a local, so not sure where it is the expressway ends exactly.

THanks[/QUOTE]Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

Not one thai girl wore jeans, all wore skirts and were dressed to go out on the town. On this nite, 10X better than Nana every nite.

Nana parking lot doesn't interest me, but this line up certainly got my attention.

Don't know the street names, but take Asoke past Soi Cowboy and make a right before the expressway, most taxi drivers should know about this spot.

Col bog,

Finally figured out what the problem was. Turns out, the site must not like my version of IE. Borrowed a computer that was running a new version of Firefox and everything came up as advertised.

Ya lucky sod you!

[QUOTE=Soilord]It's not Makkasan, it's Kamphaeng Phet 7 - the track-side road is called Makkasan between Ratchaprarop and Nana, then jogs to the left and changes its name. Parts of the road have disappeared or become impassable due to the construction of the Airport Link train, but the girls are out there every night between Asoke and Phet Uthai.[/QUOTE]
Could you provide an online map of some sort? Also, do you need wheels to pick up the girls, or can you do this on foot?

It is a small side street next to the railroad tracks near the Petchaburi/Rachadaphiskek/Asok Montri. I passed this area a few time on the way from the airport late at night but never stopped. Its really dark and looks quite seedy. Heard it was safe for Farangs but I wouldn't guarantee it.

Apparently its a popular spot for Thais(horny guys and cash-strapped girls) after a night on RCA.

Directions copied from another site:
You get there by heading north on Asok from Soi Cowboy, turning right on Petchaburi and then taking a left after about 200 meters. The girls are visible from Petchaburi if you look down the side soi. It is about 60THB by taxi.

The coordinates are (13.7489729848617, 100.5685043334961). Enter the coordinates in Google Maps (maps.google.com) and you can locate it on the map.

If you are a cheap charlie use the MTS and get off on the Petchaburi station and walk east on Petchaburi Rd.


[QUOTE=Soyboy]Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

Not one thai girl wore jeans, all wore skirts and were dressed to go out on the town. On this nite, 10X better than Nana every nite.

Nana parking lot doesn't interest me, but this line up certainly got my attention.

Don't know the street names, but take Asoke past Soi Cowboy and make a right before the expressway, most taxi drivers should know about this spot.[/QUOTE]

Started off at Cowboy with Giotto late last night. Checked out Tilac - booorrrring!! After a quick drink we headed to an old fave go-go bar - Five Star, with the 70s heavy rock live Thai band. Out of nowhere a tiny scantilly-clad sexy minx turned up, started tongue-kissing me, putting my hand down her top (so I did the right thing and pinched her nipples), and she was grinding her tiny ass against me long and hard, until I became long and hard. Yes, she passed the hard-on test with flying colors. I had to go outside for a smoke just to cool down a bit - whew! When I went back in, more kissing as she looked into my eyes with a porn-star sultry "come on" look, and she started playing with me everywhere - and I *mean* everywhere - I paid her 100 tip just to release her firm grip on my balls when Giotto and I wanted to leave.

Back at the Lodge, I ordered some tasty crab fried rice, played a bit of pool with the very sweet and giggly Ning, and barfined her. Up in the room, she was great - very GFE - lots of dancing, a few drinks and two good rounds. Nice bod - just my type - not too skinny, with nice boobs. Woke up this afternoon to an excellent firm oily Thai massage (including her walking over my back - love it!)followed by BBBJ and CIM - aaah! Now I'm drained - literally. Time for more beauty sleep before I have to face 1Ball's ugly mug tonight.

[QUOTE=Spider916]
If you are a cheap charlie use the MTS and get off on the Petchaburi station and walk east on Petchaburi Rd.[/QUOTE]

Now that's service - coordinates. Nice.

What if I'm not a cheap charlie... taxi?

Hm. What's nice about being on foot is the ability to take a better look, or a 2nd one. If in a taxi, you can't really back up. One pass, that's all you get. Getting a 2nd look means going all the way around the block, by which time the one you spotted might be gone.

[QUOTE=Soyboy]Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

Not one thai girl wore jeans, all wore skirts and were dressed to go out on the town. On this nite, 10X better than Nana every nite.

Nana parking lot doesn't interest me, but this line up certainly got my attention.

Don't know the street names, but take Asoke past Soi Cowboy and make a right before the expressway, most taxi drivers should know about this spot.[/QUOTE]

Sounds worth a look, surely. And it'd be good to get the name in Thai script to let the taxi driver know where you want to go. I'm not asking you for that, just imagining what'd be ideal.

[QUOTE=Bob1000]Thanks for the post and the clear pictures. I would make sure that I would not pick up any of the girl in your reports in my future mongering nights-as they would do bareback with customers. This is an extremely high risk group.[/QUOTE]People are way too paranoid about this HIV/AIDS bs. If the man wants to do bbfs with a lady then that's his choice and it's really none of your business. Don't try to force your views upon other people in anyway either.

[QUOTE=West Coast]What was the name of a ST Hotel near Beer Garden?[/QUOTE]Sorry didn't get the name of the ST Hotel, when we came out of the Beer Garden soi onto Suk we walked left it was a short stroll to the hotel. Sorry can't give you any more detail than that.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Sounds worth a look, surely. And it'd be good to get the name in Thai script to let the taxi driver know where you want to go. I'm not asking you for that, just imagining what'd be ideal.[/QUOTE]

the place has been around forever, i've been there several times, always felt that the girls were far more business oriented, not so interested in chatting, just want to go or not go..it's 1500 baht, and they only want to go ST nearby (which is what the former Siam Hotel used to be for)...if you walk, you will be a novelty, as it is only Thais there, the guys stop by in their cars, roll down the window, and choose...would be pretty funny to get a whole convoy of farangs to go up and walk down the strip...

[QUOTE=Oldian]the place has been around forever, i've been there several times, always felt that the girls were far more business oriented, not so interested in chatting, just want to go or not go..it's 1500 baht, and they only want to go ST nearby [/QUOTE]

Didn't realize this was such an unknown area. You can get some of the girls to go to your hotel but they want more money. Most of them only want to go to the ST hotels in that area as you said. The last time I went by there and wanted to pick one up, she agreed to go to my place but only if I took her friend too.

[QUOTE=Piper1] . . . an old fave go-go bar - Five Star, with the 70s heavy rock live Thai band.[/QUOTE]My god, I used to love this place. Delighted to hear it's still good.

But I am surprised to hear that Tilac was boring. I did a pretty comprehensive sweep of the street last month and it was head and shoulders above anywhere else. Which surprised me a bit, since I never much liked it before. I guess it's just further proof that these places can change almost night by night . . .

[QUOTE=Betong]My god, I used to love this place. Delighted to hear it's still good.

But I am surprised to hear that Tilac was boring. I did a pretty comprehensive sweep of the street last month and it was head and shoulders above anywhere else. Which surprised me a bit, since I never much liked it before. I guess it's just further proof that these places can change almost night by night . . .[/QUOTE]

Far too many coyotes and disinterested girls for Tilac to be interesting.

Just had my first BKK trip in a year and had a wonderful time.

Have always been a fan of freebies, so for this trip tried to make sure I wouldn't end up on the streets looking for action.

Priot to trip been chatting to a lady who works in Paragon mall and we seemed to get on fine and she had agreed to take off work early to meet me, as soom as I arrived in my hotel on Thursday night. Mid 30's, no baby and slim.

I check in, and shes there in lobby and we go upstairs to my room. I really wasnt sure if it was a definate thing, but I took shower and came out in bathtowel and sat with her. Figuring she would play or run away.

Well she was ready to play. So within 90 minutes of getting off plane, and within 15 minutes of getting to room, she has her hand on my dick and were up and running. Had a nice session with her that took two hours.

She had said she couldn't stay the night " oh honey, thats a shame LOL". And she went off home to her sister. Not one cent in cost.

Then I went off to see a long time massage lady I know. Shes always delighted to see me, and sure enough shes happy to offer extra. Well two comes in 2 hours is pushing it for me but I managed.

Then wandered down Sukhumvit, but the street ladies really looked bad. Went to Cowboy and somehow couldn't get into it. Noticed that drinks prices have gone up now. Was Bht 100 a year ago.

Went to Nana and to be honest, the girls there looked old, strange, and totally lack enthusiasm for their job. I know there are many comparisons with Philippines and Thailand made but on this nights offering, girls from Phils win every time for their dancing enthusiasm.

Anyways home and up early next day for work.

Had arranged for my other chat mate to come visit me from a northern city. Did my work, and had time to meet Natasha. Tall slim, exotic, not a beauty but has some style about her. Met her on last trip thru DIA, so we met to catch up on the news in a Starbux. She tells me shes met 141 men thu DIA (didn't tell me how many bedded LOL). Tell me shes always amazed when a guy calls and says " Hi its me David. She says how would I know which one, theres 27 Davids I've met.! " Anyways fun chat. From there went to Biergarten to have a look and relax. Chat with a few but I've got an eye on time knowing Ms Chat will arrive soon from airport. Back to hotel, and she gets out taxi and meet her in lobby. Now before she had agreed to come she'd asked whether we would have sex. Duh, yes honey. Anyways she'd shown some hesitation during chats about sex, so I figured if no sex I could always go out and find it. Always a gamble with chat mates that you have never met before.

Anyways, she enters hotel, has big smile, (early 30's 42 kg). In elevator she palyfully smacks my butt, says we won't have sex and winks.

We go have a glass or two of wine in hotel, go back to room, and boom boom. So nice. So both chatmates must have been horny LOL.

From there had great night in Suan Lum drinking, then went to Patpong drinking and dancing. More sex. Bed at 4am.

Next day, work in morning, sex in afternoon, then out to nice Thai restaurant, then Hard Rock, then Bangkok Beat in Sukhumvit for dancing.

Hard rock was full of old Americans and American type girls. Very few Thais and expensive drinks.

Back to room by 3am, and sleep by 5. Am too old for this!

Next day, we had late breeakfast, and went bowling. Good fun. Winner got to decide what sex game to play with loser. I lost. But still won if you know what I mean. She came with me to airport. Said goodbye and I flew home to have much needed sleep. Maybe will take her on another trip one of these days.

Its always good to be visiting BKK. But fear I can't find a valid reason to go for another year. We all know how wives are when we say. " Honey I don't want to but I've got to go to BKK on business!

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[QUOTE=AndyBKK]I've been living in Rangsit for a little over a year and had to travel to BKK for action until today. Today I found a great massage/restaurant that can compete with any of the establishments in Bangkok as far as the quality and quantity of the girls are concern. On top of that the prices are way lower for food, drinks, and the girls than Bangkok. I was getting tired of payment 150B for a drink at some of the Bkk go-go bars.

So for expats living a little north of the city ( Rangsit) there's hope.

Happy hunting[/QUOTE]

Can you elaborate further.....such as the name and location of the establishment and the pricing schedule?....thanks.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]Great story...made me laugh!

DIA?[/QUOTE]Date in asia. Asia's Number 1 free pick up site. I wished they had had such a site when I was young and handsome. Last year.

Did a bit of bar-hopping with 1Ball and Giotto a couple of nights ago, checking out mainly live-band places round Sukhumvit. I noticed around the Soi 5 to Soi 7 area there were many African WGs. But what a small world! - I bumped into an old favorite skinny African girl from Dubai (with disproportionately huge knockers), sitting with a Thai girl outside Bangkok Beat Club. I first met her in a Dubai club a few years ago, and took her home a few times, until she started getting clingy. When we saw each other two nights ago in BKK we were shocked, and both laughed and said at the same time "What are you doing here?!!" A couple of guys (who must have been away for a moment) turned up and sat at her table and looked at me suspiciously. I said "Don't worry, I know this young lady from Dubai for a long time - she's my ex-Wife!" Ex-wife laughed, but the guys just looked at me confused and a bit pissed, so I bid my farewells and went back into the club to join my partners in crime.
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[b]Grace Hotel - So-called "Turkish" girls. [/b]

Since we were near Soi 3, we checked out the infamous Grace Hotel - still the favorite place for Arabs to stay, so I felt at home. :) We checked out the disco briefly - full of Arabesque Uzbeki girls - some old and ugly, some young and cute. They pretend to be Middle-Eastern to attract Arab guys. I chatted with group of about 6 girls, asking if they were Uzbeki. They said no - they are from Turkiya (the Uzbeki pronunciation of 'Turkey'). I switched into my basic Turkish, but they didn't understand Turkish. So I asked in Russian "Skolka stoyeet?" ("What is your price?") They looked at each other and giggled. They are Uzbeki.

Their opening price was 3000ST, but when I countered with 2000, they dropped to 2500 immediately. It was early in the night - I'm sure they would go for 2000 and maybe even 1500 later. So, if you're ever in the mood for a non-Thai girl for a bit of variety, check it out.
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We three stooges moved onto another bar or three, before Giotto headed back to the Lodge, and 1Ball and I made trouble for the night with various girls. I arrived in Pattaya 1:00am this morning, but only managed a stroll down Beach Road and Walking Street and back to the hotel - I'm just about recovered from the late night with the chubby girl working at the Sukhumvit street-stall yesterday. I was checking the photos, and I'm still trying to work out how a buck-naked 1Ball and his girl ended up in my room. And I'm still wondering about the photos of 1Ball getting a BBBJ from my drink-stall girl. I don't remember that happening - and I'm the one who took the damn photos! My head still hurts. :confused:

(PS - I think I actually had food-poisoning rather than a killer hang-over - I ate 30 oysters in a container from a street stall at 3:00am - not a good idea)

Freebefan's report makes the mouth water

Couldn't make sense of DIA though.

[QUOTE=Piper1]And I'm still wondering about the photos of 1Ball getting a BBBJ from my drink-stall girl. I don't remember that happening - and I'm the one who took the damn photos! My head still hurts. :confused:
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Drink-stall girl? This is a story we need to hear!

[QUOTE=Islandboy54]Freebefan's report makes the mouth water

Couldn't make sense of DIA though.[/QUOTE]Dateinasia.com.

Girls from every country waiting to be found.

My fav is Tagger.com though.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan]Dateinasia.com.

Girls from every country waiting to be found.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Thai Ydiver]My fav is Tagger.com though.[/QUOTE]Tagger, or Tagged?

[QUOTE=Thai Ydiver]My fav is Tagger.com though.[/QUOTE]Sorry this should have been tagged.com one warning, watch out for the ladyboys, of course if you like them that's another story..

Careful with tagged.com. It tries to get you to give your email username and password (for gmail at least). Really a bad security idea. You can skip this step though (see top of screen).

[QUOTE=Thai Ydiver]Sorry this should have been tagged.com one warning, watch out for the ladyboys, of course if you like them that's another story..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FreebieFan]Had arranged for my other chat mate to come visit me from a northern city. Did my work, and had time to meet Natasha. Tall slim, exotic, not a beauty but has some style about her. Met her on last trip thru DIA, so we met to catch up on the news in a Starbux. She tells me shes met 141 men thu DIA (didn't tell me how many bedded LOL). Tell me shes always amazed when a guy calls and says " Hi its me David. She says how would I know which one, theres 27 Davids I've met.! " Anyways fun chat. [/QUOTE]Is that Natasha the short haired one? Is she your chat mate that you bedded later?

I'm trying to get in touch (! ) with her. LOL

[QUOTE=Piper1]
[b]Grace Hotel - So-called "Turkish" girls. [/b]
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Piper, big fan :). have been reading your reports on the DXB forum for a long time and its good to see you in other areas.

I am headed to BKK next week and would certainly like a CIS girl, is there any other place you found those girls too or was it just at Grace ?

cheers.

[QUOTE=MickTheKick]Is that Natasha the short haired one? Is she your chat mate that you bedded later?

I'm trying to get in touch (! ) with her. LOL[/QUOTE]Yes Natasha is the short haired one. But no... never bedded her. The chat mate was another one.

Well I know she met number 141 last week Maybe you are No 142 ? lol.

Shes a nice girl and I suspect would be a tornada in bed.

[QUOTE=Aqua26]Piper, big fan :). have been reading your reports on the DXB forum for a long time and its good to see you in other areas.

I am headed to BKK next week and would certainly like a CIS girl, is there any other place you found those girls too or was it just at Grace ?

cheers.[/QUOTE]The Rajah Hotel on Suk Soi 4 is also frequently written about as a place where Thai men go to get Russian girls (usually ethnic Russians from Uzbekistan), but I've never tried it myself. Apparently the girls have rooms at the hotel and do ST right there.

I met her a few times too. Nice girl but a bit of a nutcase. Didnt take her home but she was funny to talk to.

[QUOTE=MickTheKick]Is that Natasha the short haired one? Is she your chat mate that you bedded later?

I'm trying to get in touch (! ) with her. LOL[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wendella]Has ginseng ever actually been tested to see how it measures up to these claims? Big claims + high price + no testing seems like a very beneficial formula for the seller, mainly. Anyway, I think this topic belongs in the ginseng forum. The most famous benefit is that it helps you live longer. I guess if you know how long you are going to live, then this would be testable. What could it possibly be based on? That's not included in this list of claims though. The aim on the website seems to be more "scientific": ginseng detoxifies alcohol, they say. Really? I wonder how it can do that. I guess if you eat a bunch of ginseng, you shouldn't be able to get drunk then. Well, that's easily testable. Acts as a cancer injunctive. ("injunctive"? normally used to describe a court-ordered restriction, as far as I know -- odd to be used in this sense, apparently meaning "preventive") If that isn't a dangerously irresponsible claim, I don't know what is.[/QUOTE]I agree - I would love to see a study. The sexual claims should be the easiest to test.

[QUOTE=Soilord]The Rajah Hotel on Suk Soi 4 is also frequently written about as a place where Thai men go to get Russian girls (usually ethnic Russians from Uzbekistan), but I've never tried it myself. Apparently the girls have rooms at the hotel and do ST right there.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Soilord. Any idea about the CM2 club in the Novotel Hotel ? It seems there are 3 main hangouts for these girls, Grace Hotel, Rajah and Novotel.

cheers.

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]I've been living in Rangsit for a little over a year and had to travel to BKK for action until today. Today I found a great massage/restaurant that can compete with any of the establishments in Bangkok as far as the quality and quantity of the girls are concern. On top of that the prices are way lower for food, drinks, and the girls than Bangkok. I was getting tired of payment 150B for a drink at some of the Bkk go-go bars.

So for expats living a little north of the city ( Rangsit) there's hope.

Happy hunting[/QUOTE]

Andy cannot receive PMs......

Andy....two times you have been asked for the location of the place in this post.....is it some sort of private secret?

Would you please divulge the location, as you thought it important enough to post on this subject.

Thanks.

Day 1:

Arrived at the Bangkok airport around midnight, waited about 20min to get my luggage and then followed the directions from in this forum about where to catch a legit taxi. Was worried a little about the scams going on in the airport but nothing happened, so I figured I was off to a good start.

Followed the signs to the taxi stand, talked to the girl and told them Livingstone's Lodge. She had no idea what I was talking about, so I showed her the map I printed out and she then wrote SV33 on the ticket. I later found out from the taxi driver that they use 4 letters for addresses or some such thing. I could very likely be wrong, but that is what I understood it to be. She gives you a ticket, you then wait in line until another girl calls for you to give her the piece of paper and you taxi driver will be waiting for you.

Once in the cab he starts on about something I don't understand due to my failure to learn any Thai and his inability to speak much English. I think he is asking where to go so I keep repeating Livingstone's Lodge and he has no clue. So I show him the map and then he seems to know where to go. He then continues on about something and I hear the number 500 and baht attached to it and then 30 seconds later I hear the word "meter" and I finally realize he is trying to negotiate an upfront fee (as mentioned to watch out for by the airport guide) so I say "meter" which at that point he looks disappointed and turns on the meter. He then explains to me the tolls I need to pay and the 50 baht surcharge.

Not sure how long, but it is about 1:30am and this guy is cruising at around 60kmh getting passed by every cab and car on the road, so I'm wondering at this point if I'm paying not only for distance but time as well (anyone know as I never figured that out). We finally turn onto the Sukemvhit and I get aquatinted with Bangkok traffic and I see a sign that reads "nana" and I realize this is nana plaza and it looks like it just got out, so I start looking at what is going to be on the menu in the next few days and I was mostly pleased (as was the cab driver, we almost hit a few cars as he was looking at the girls too).

We finally get to Soi 33 and it is also crowded as fuck and I'm looking for LL like a son of a ***** and we end up passing it somehow, so at the end of the street the cab driver gets out his phone and I show him the phone number that is on the map I printed out from the LL site. A few seconds later I hear the screeching of a fax machine and think "fuck me". I luckily have another LL # and that one turned out to be the right number and they got the cab driver straightened out and we made our way back. Turns out Bangkok has some kind of law that requires large signs or something to turn off at 12am, so the LL sign was off and since it was like 2am we didn't see it the first time, but I caught it on the way back. Cab driver stops, I look at the fare and it is like 270 baht, add in the 50 baht surcharge (which I think was added in already not sure) and the 70 baht for tolls and we arrive at our destination at far less then his original price of 500 baht. So for the newbies, always say "METER".

Now, don't expect some big driveway or large sign pointing you into the Lodge, the place is tucked away by a walkway and in front of this walkway are taxi guys hanging out and street vendors selling food so they kind of block it and hide it a bit (at least at night) and that is what made me miss it the first time. This time there was a LL staff member waiting for me and he took my suitcase and led me in. Once in I meet Guido (who is a hell of a nice guy by the way, and anyone who tells me they have so much beer they decided to sell some of it is a friend in my book! ). After a quick tour around the place I'm led to my room and dream about all the naughty things I'm about to do!

I wake up go downstairs and get some breakfast by the pool. Again the staff was very friendly and made me feel comfortable and there were lots of smiles (now I know why they call is LOS). I order up some eggs, ham and toast a glass of OJ to get the engines fired up because today was going to be a big day for me. I had in mind to do my first threesome. Now for some of you old hats that may not be a big deal but for me, I went most of my life thinking the only way I'd get two hot asians at the same time would be if I went and got a pedicure and manicure at the same time!

It was only about 9:30am, so I went for a stroll to see what Bangkok was all about, made a quick stop at the 7-11 and bought a sim card and 300 baht charge card only to find out my cell phone wouldn't accept the sim. Fuck me. I guess I'll donate it to the lodge and one of you kids can enjoy it. At this point it is about 11am and I'm very ready to bust my threesome cherry, so I head over to Love Teen as it came highly recommended on this site from many members. I walk in and am greeted buy a little cutie, then the mama-san takes the reigns and asks me what's my poison (in so many words). I tell her I'm looking for two girls for 2 hours and I'd like her to tell me which two work best together. She tells me they all love each other (uh-huh. I'm thinking I doubt this is den of bi chicks, but I go with it) and I look in the book and honestly I'd say the majority of this girls are good looking with nobody being ugly. I choose Ying and Lin as some of the other stunners I saw were on holiday, but I'm very pleased with my selection which cost me 1100 baht.

Mama-san calls for the girls, and they teleport in like ninjas or used a secret door in the floor or something because they were there in a flash. They lead me upstairs to a large room and begin to shower me. We talk and Lin is a bit shy and I think Ying's English is better. Anyhow, a nice shower with a little bit of touching, but I wasn't being pushy as this was my first time in Bangkok, first time at a MP and first time with 2 chicks (too many firsts to jump out of the gate, so I took my time).

We get back to the bed and they give me a good massage. Up until this point we are speaking in English and then I switch to Japanese because I hear one of them say a Japanese word and it turns out they speak just a little, so I teach them all the words they'll need to make their Japanese clients happy. Eventually they tell me I'm the first farang to teach them Japanese and they can't decide if they feel like they are with a farang or a Japanese guy! All in all it was a good conversation and I think it helped them warm to me better. At this point Lin asks me if I want a special message and I of course say yes. They inform me I'll need to pay 1500 baht to each of them. Now I remember another guy wrote a post back in April saying he got it for 1000 baht each so I asked if they would accept that, but they were pretty adamant on the 1500 baht. I'm like fuck it, I'm not going to let the cost of dinner and a movie sully my first experience so I suggest 1000 each and a 500 baht tip if they do a good job and they promise a good job and they begin.

Lin oils up and rubs her body all over me (and she's got some nice perky B cups) and then begins licking and sucking my balls like a champ while Ying (who has good C cups with lovely long nipples) oils up and rubs her body over me and then she goes to work on the shaft, the only problem is Ying has positioned herself so I can't see anything! Haha! Oh well, no big deal, I've got 60 minutes for this. After a little more of this Lin puts a condom on me and begins to give me a BJ (she only did CBJ while Ying did BBBJ). Ying starts kissing me and stuffing her nice breasts in my face and soon enough I feel Lin mount me and I'm in fucking pig heaven! I'm thinking, is this as good as I hoped it would be? Yes, ladies and gentleman, it was! Lin is moaning and panting hard as she is really giving me a beating, in the mean time I'm fingering Ying and tell her to sit on my face which at this point I find out she is totally shaved and I'm most pleased to DATY Ying while Lin takes me deep inside her pussy. After about 20 min they ask if I'm going to come and I tell them I can last a long time so not to worry. They then tell me I can come as many times as I want, but again I like to make the first one last.

At this point Lin is beginning to get tired and asks if I'd like to change. I'm thinking she means positions, but she meant girls. I say yes, and that is when I realize she meant girls as they take off the condom and put a new one on me. Ying then mounts me and her pussy is fucking tight (Lin lubbed up a bit I think) and I'm average size. So now Ying is riding me and Lin is kissing me (again Lin is very shy or might be new to the game or is very safe about things. Her kissing was nice, but she wasn't full on DFK, but did some.) At this point I'm feeling Lin's wonderful ass while getting rode by a fucking Olympic level bull rider. I can't keep my eyes off Lin and her ass and I'm thinking I want to hit that from behind when Ying starts going crazy over there and I blow my load inside of her. We all have a good laugh, she takes off the condom, and they take turns showering real quick as they worked up a sweat and told me to rest a few minutes.

Lin tells me there are 25min left so, Ding ding. Round 2! They begin with a ball massage and get me going again and then Ying starts giving me a BBBJ and then I tell them I want to go inside one of them. I should have said I want to go inside Lin, but Ying answers the call and lays on her back, but I quickly turn her over and give it to her doggy! Now Ying also has a nice ass, it is just that Lin has darker skin and I like that, but there was nothing wrong with Ying either! So there I was, banging Ying from behind, spanking her ass while Lin was behind me rubbing my chest and ass while kissing me and sucking on my ears. Lin began to put pressure on my asshole which felt good, but I told her to play with my balls instead and at that time Ying starts to finger herself and starts panting pretty heavily. She comes (or says she does) just before I blow my second load inside of her. We shower up, they walk me downstairs where I sing their praises to the mama-san and I head back to LL for a delicious dish of green curry that was very spicy but too good not to battle through it.

As far as Teen Love goes, I had a great time, not sure if the price was higher then I should have paid, but I'm not unhappy. It was my first threesome, and while the girls didn't do anything with each other I'm guessing that is harder to find, but all in all I experienced what many others who have posted about Teen Love have, and that was a great time with good looking girls.

I am now sitting by the pool enjoying the rays and typing up this report whilst talking with the various staff members and watching all the bar girls arrive. You know, today was a pretty good day, and I look forward to what the night will bring! Stay tuned.

Ok, so tonight I went to the sports bar at Livingstone's, and I must say, they have a a lot of very attractive girls here, I'd say all are better then average with many being very nice. I got there around 7pm and I was the only guy there so I felt a bit intimidated at first as I walked in and had 15 sexy girls stand up and great me! I wasn't sure what to do as in my neck of the woods there are 10 guys to every girl at the bars! Anyhow, I just grabbed a beer and tried to soak it all in. After about 5min a pretty little thing came over and asked if I'd like to play pool, so I said sure and we played 3 games and talked and joked around. Ning is her name and she is a real sweetheart. We chat it up for a bit, I do some magic tricks and draw a bit of a crowd, pretty soon I've got 3 or 4 including the mama-san over at the table and we're all having a good time. Eventually I bar fine Ning and bring her up to my room.

Ning is a real diamond in the rough. In a line up she might not stand out as the "hottest" in the group, but she can hold her own, what makes her a great catch is she is fun to talk with, gives the total GFE (I'd like to inject a small bit of editorial at this point and recommend we change GFE to IGFE with the "I" standing for "Ideal" as most true girlfriends nag, ***** and complain and the most inopportune times. Not that there is ever a good time mind you! ) and she is good at what she does. She is a bit shy, but that wears off as she gets comfortable with you. We did it all night long in many positions and in the morning we did it again and then she gave me a great head, back and shoulder massage to boot! Guys, if you really want the IGFE go to LL and bar fine Ning, you won't be disappointed!

This report touches on LL, Teen Love, Bangkok and a few other things and could probably go in all their respective forums, but I'll just put this here in the Bangkok reports and hopefully that'll be cool.

This concludes day 1! Be on the look out for Day 2!

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Dainoji - Your report is what this forum is all about. Great stuff.

Look forward to what follows!

Styk

bangkok day 2:

after a good morning shag with ning, i decided to do some touristy things today and went to a large shopping mall called mbk. basically if you are looking for pirated software, knock-off sunglasses, clothes, cheap electronics, etc or an unlocked cell phone, then this is the place to go. it probably won't look much different then a shopping mall in your city, but it wasn't too far away, and the lovely ning from livingston's sports bar accompanied me and showed me around a bit.

got back to ll around 4pm and was coming down off my high from the night before, and the adrenaline had all but left and now i was starting to feel the effects of jet lag. i didn't want to waste the day sleeping, and i'm still not confident on how to get around (and was too lazy to figure anything out at this point) so i decided to have round 2 at love teen since i knew how to get there without any problems! i was going to try somewhere else on soi 33, but i didn't do any research and didn't feel like trying something unknown at this point.

same drill, walked into love teen, was greeted by the mama-san and she remembered me and asked if i would like 2 ladies again and i said yes. decided to try two different girls this time, and the best ones that suited my taste that were available at the time were rad and da. this time i had a to wait about 30 seconds before the girls showed up (not sure i would consider that "waiting") and then they led me downstairs to one of the larger vip rooms. this room had a large bath tub but was smaller then the upstairs room i went to the night before. i don't care for tubs to be honest, so the upstairs room with it's standing shower suited me better, but not a huge deal.

i was told to sit down and they ran off to fetch their basket of goodies and then we all stripped down and hopped into the tub. i had to do a little bit more work this time (basically i took off my own clothes whereas yesterday lin wouldn't allow me to do that). once in the tub da sat behind me and had me lay back onto her (i only tip the scales at about 165lbs but i felt bad for the poor girl, but she didn't seem to mind) and then rad was in front of me and they got to washing me. again no play during the washing, not sure if that is standard here or if i need to instigate this sort of thing if that is what i fancy.

out of the tub and onto the bed and they began giving me a massage with da on my legs and rad on my back. it was a decent massage but nothing to write home about. both of them kept their towels on the whole time so that was a bit of a downer...after maybe 45min they ask if i'd like the special and i again say yes and they quote me the 1500 baht each fee and this time i didn't bother to negotiate as i figured that must be the going rate since yesterday it was the same song and they wouldn't go down on price.

once the special was agreed on they both took off their towels and began to oil their chests of and started to rub them on me. perhaps having my cherry busted they day before has colored my perception, or these two girls just weren't into it, but everything was very, very mechanical at this point, none of the fun playfulness of the day before. these girls didn't want to do any bbbj, but da slapped on the jimmy hat and went to work with a cbj and it was good, but again nothing too amazing. all the while both are making sexy hissing noises and what not, but it was so obviously fake that it just wasn't doing it for me. lin and ying are either much better actors, or they really were into it (or perhaps these chicks just weren't into me).

neither girls shave their pussy, and because i wasn't feeling the chemistry there was no daty to be had, but i did do my best to touch and rub them to try and get them going. eventually da gets up to mount and and that is when i notice this "19 year old" has already popped out a kid or two and has the stretch marks to prove it and breasts to match. now don't get me wrong, she still has a good body and a cute little face, but i was just surprised is all (and i am pretty picky to be honest). so we've got da moving up and down like a piston, but there is just no passion in it and rad (who has a decent body) is licking my chest and kissing me everywhere. this is when i realize that they are pretty much doing the exact same routine as the girls from yesterday, so keep in mind if you come here multiple times expecting something different, you might be disappointed. i decided i better take the lead at this point and mind you i like to be pretty aggressive in my non p4p life but since i'm a newbie i guess i was just playing things safe.

da says something in thai and rad suggests we change girls (so i'm guessing she was saying she is tired or whatever) no worries, we change girls and rad is on top on one knee and the other leg up and stats humping away and i was pretty close to begin with and blow my load inside of her. we clean up and they begin to give a arm and had massage and after a bit they go to round 2 and da starts giving me a ball massage (which she does very well i might add) and soon enough i'm plowing into da doggy style and start spanking her ass and going crazy like the world is going to end if i don't come in the next 10 seconds! at this point i think i hear actual moans instead of fake ones and rad is kind of sitting off to the side so i grab her and start kissing her which she obliges and soon enough my boys are making their way into a well lubricated da (being stopped by my condom of course).

i'm pretty fucking spent at this point but we still have time on the clock (went for the 2 hour massage), so da starts massaging me again and rad is giving me a head massage. after a bit da starts stroking my cock again and i'm thinking "not sure this is going to happen" but the girls take turns and finally rad starts kissing me and da takes over on cock duty. at this point my legs are shaking as i'm trying to come and i'm on the fucking edge for like 5 minutes but because i'm so tired i can't seem to come, but finally bam! it launches all over rad's back and they are both amazed by it (if i'm totally honest, so was i)!

we hop in the bath, rinse off, i pay them and then i walk out back to linvingstone's. i go to my room, freshen up a bit and come down for dinner. by the way if i haven't mentioned this before everything i've ordered thus far has been great. breakfast is pretty standard fare at any joint (and let's be honest it is pretty hard to fuck up breakfast being a few simple eggs and some fried meat of some kind) but lunch and dinner are another story and ll hasn't disappointed me.

i ordered the spaghetti bolognese, and it was delicious. i flirt with the waitress a bit, and the mama-san comes out with a customer from the sports bar and he eventually leaves and she comes over to talk with me and asks if i'll be joining them tonight and i tell her i will (and i meant it) but at this point my stomach is starting to get real queasy and i'm having to do the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] dance while in my seat to stop an immanent eruption. i gracefully make my exit with a promise to return and make haste to my room. i'll spare you all the graphic details as we've all been there. i'm trying to figure out what i ate or drank that would have brought this on...it might have been the water or ice i was offered at teen love and was so parched i had to drink some...

anyhow, after laying siege to the throne for about 20 min i lay down on the bed "just to rest"...i wake up around 3am, shake my head and put the pillow over my head as i'm too lazy to turn off the light!

this concluded day 2 in bangkok, not how i wanted to end the night, but my body had other plans!

stay tuned for day 3. on the agenda is tulips and perhaps soi cowboy.

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I recently stayed in Chinatown for 48 hours - yes, your reporter opebo is again impecunious, at least for the moment. There I found the usual array of girls, none tempting. Some old fatties offered themselves for 200 baht, many ordinary sized uglies for 300, a few tolerables for 500, and one sour cutie even quoted 1,000 - I think just to get rid of me.

Finally just before leaving I took one to my own room (daring, no?), who agreed to BBFS for 500. Decent looking late 20s and slim, alas, as it turned her seedpod was burst. She ended up demanding an extra hundred for bareback and that I 'water outside'. I acquiesced to the former but not the latter. However she had the last laugh as I discovered later she had stolen 500 baht from me and given me the clap!

[QUOTE=Opebo]I recently stayed in Chinatown for 48 hours - yes, your reporter opebo is again impecunious, at least for the moment. There I found the usual array of girls, none tempting. Some old fatties offered themselves for 200 baht, many ordinary sized uglies for 300, a few tolerables for 500, and one sour cutie even quoted 1,000 - I think just to get rid of me.

Finally just before leaving I took one to my own room (daring, no?), who agreed to BBFS for 500. Decent looking late 20s and slim, alas, as it turned her seedpod was burst. She ended up demanding an extra hundred for bareback and that I 'water outside'. I acquiesced to the former but not the latter. However she had the last laugh as I discovered later she had stolen 500 baht from me and given me the clap![/QUOTE]
Ha ha ha ha ha ... Rodney Dangerfield couldn't have told it better.

Seriously, ... I hope you can look forward to better times, man.

[QUOTE=Dainoji]Day 1:

Arrived at the Bangkok airport around midnight, ....................

This concludes day 1! Be on the look out for Day 2!

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Great report dude
I feel you overpaid the taxi a bit (I did pay 300/320 from airport to LL) but at the end... I do not think you ended up empty pocket for your alter fun!
At least not from what I read.
Was nice reading about the trouble to locate LL, had the same and sorterd it out the same way with me calling the lodge for directions to the taxi driver. Only when I was there I saw the more than obvious sign of LL: maybe is too big ah ah ah.
Well done with the report as you wrote more in 3 reports that some others in 100..:)

As I am not adding much to the history, let me at last add a picture to keep the spirit up!

[QUOTE=Aqua26]Thanks Soilord. Any idea about the CM2 club in the Novotel Hotel? It seems there are 3 main hangouts for these girls, Grace Hotel, Rajah and Novotel.[/QUOTE]CM2 has had Russian girls for many years. I haven't been there for a long time, but the most recent information I have (January 2009) is that there are still plenty of Russians there, but at a fairly high price. My most recent info on the Rajah (from last week) is that the price is 2600 THB for on-site ST. A papasan takes you from the lobby to a second floor room to make your choice, and then the girl takes you to another room upstairs to do the deed. Apparently there's an additional 100 THB for condoms if you don't have your own.

[QUOTE=Dainoji]Day 1:

Arrived at the Bangkok airport around midnight.........

This concludes day 1! Be on the look out for Day 2!

[/QUOTE]

Great report and looking forward to read more tomorrow.. and Dainoji.. hope you will stay for a while and write reports like this every day!!

Have a great time!!!

[QUOTE=Shirokyu]I agree - I would love to see a study. The sexual claims should be the easiest to test.[/QUOTE]

Yes I'm actually doing research in this area, have been for some time. Results thus far inconclusive, much more thorough testing will be necessary. Too early to foresee when we'll be ready to publish.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I acquiesced to the former but not the latter. However she had the last laugh as I discovered later she had stolen 500 baht from me and given me the clap![/QUOTE]

Isn't that the whole point of BBFS? You get memories that last you can savor forever.

[QUOTE=Dainoji]
Ok, so tonight I went to the sports bar at Livingstone's, and I must say, they have a a lot of very attractive girls here, I'd say all are better then average with many being very nice. I got there around 7pm and I was the only guy there so I felt a bit intimidated at first as I walked in and had 15 sexy girls stand up and great me! [/QUOTE]

Great report! What night of the week was this?

[QUOTE=Pita123]Great report! What night of the week was this?[/QUOTE]He said he went "tonight" and as can be seen from the report it was posted "yesterday", which means it was Sunday?

[QUOTE=Pita123]Isn't that the whole point of BBFS? You get memories that last you can savor forever.[/QUOTE]

BBFS... I thought it was the gift that keeps giving no?? You know my english isn't that good.

I got the shocker yesterday. I got the message from a girl who told me she was pregnant. After my initial shock wore off I did the math.. impossible for it to be me as I was not even with her at that time of conception ;) But I do admire her skills, she must be going through her entire phone book contacting every guy she has info on to hope a few take the bait.

But I did verify with friends she is definitely pregnant and it's a damn shame as she is a nice girl. Add one more unsupported half caste child into BKK / Isaan society pretty soon. :(

This guy is trying to threaten me by PM to expose me to my family. He told me he saved some of my photos and he wants Wildcat's email address. Good luck to him, the loser.

[QUOTE=Piper1]This guy is trying to threaten me by PM to expose me to my family. He told me he saved some of my photos and he wants Wildcat's email address. Good luck to him, the loser.[/QUOTE]

Are you serious? He obviously doesn't have a clue about you.

Anyways I'll help, Wildcat is on ISG also you can PM... " Auntie Guido "

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV].

But I did verify with friends she is definitely pregnant and it's a damn shame as she is a nice girl. Add one more unsupported half caste child into BKK / Isaan society pretty soon. :([/QUOTE]

Just because she's a sex worker and fucks with you amongst no doubt many other farangs, don't take it for granted that she will produce a half caste.

Most of these girls have a Thai b/f who they share their bed with when they don't get a customer, and even when they return home to their villages for a few days, instead of resting their pussies, they're out and about drinking with friends and putting it about!

[QUOTE=Bumholes1]Just because she's a sex worker and fucks with you amongst no doubt many other farangs, don't take it for granted that she will produce a half caste.

Most of these girls have a Thai b/f who they share their bed with when they don't get a customer, and even when they return home to their villages for a few days, instead of resting their pussies, they're out and about drinking with friends and putting it about![/QUOTE]

yeah that's a given... but love her fortitude to try to find the foreign guy to take care of it. Should have said another fatherless child being donated by someone....

There's action to be had at the Rangsit Boxing Stadium at night ( the girls sit in front, you can do a drive by).

Also for those looking for info on the massage place. It is a little before the Stadium, next to the Nissan dealership. ( look for neon lights)

There is also action to be had west of Future Park a bit. You will see what looks like a restaurant with pictures of Asian girls in the front.

As far as your experience will go. I can not say, most of these girls are use to servicing Thai guys and rarely will you find one that can speak English. So if you know a little Thai that will help.

Good luck and happy hunting

[QUOTE=Pita123]Great report! What night of the week was this?[/QUOTE]It was Sunday night.

day 3:

my body's coup attempt last night was stopped short and i awoke around 6:30am. couldn't fall back to sleep so decided to get up and surf the net for a bit and do some research for today's fun. i decided it was going to be either tulips or eden's this afternoon, but i wasn't sure which, so having been taught a valuable lesson at some point in my life, i decided not to make these kinds of decisions on an empty stomach.

i eventually drag my ass downstairs for breakfast and this time i opt for the traditional thai breakfast (kind of a rice soup with some bits of pork and green onions in what i'm guessing is chicken broth). i really liked it, but i love asian food in general. i've warmed up to a few of the waitresses here over the last few days so i spent some time chatting and flirting with them as well.

it's about 12:30pm and i finally decide on tulips and march upstairs to get directions, and for those staying at the lodge, you simply get onto soi 33, and heads towards sukhumvit and make a left. at this point you can take the sky train one stop to thong lo and you'll then want to exit onto the other side of the street (the right side assuming you turned left onto sukhumvit). it is really easy to find, just look for the sign and the large picture of a foot showing all the pressure points, etc.

i went down the stairs from the sky train platform, turned right and made my way for tulips. i see a motorcycle taxi drop off a cutie in fuck me pumps and a tight little dress and think, oh dear, what are the chances she works at tulips? i follow her, and bingo, she walks into tulips with me right behind and she promptly lets the door close on me (unbeknownst to her). no worries, having lived in large cities i'm used to people only thinking about themselves, so i don't let it phase me and i open the door and walk in.

now i already rtff on tulips, so i wasn't expecting anything, but to be honest, this place is a fucking dump, and if i hadn't read so many glowing reviews i would have spun on a dime and walked out. to be fair, it was probably "clean" but it just looks old and tired. i do a quick look around to see where i need to order but all i see at first are two beauty salon style chairs and two girls in them (who pay me no attention). this is strange i think as all the other places i've been (and haven't been for that matter) have someone opening the door for me, a gaggle of birds sitting about smiling up at me, but not this place. one might be fooled into thinking they are actually not open yet. i see the front desk and the girl i had followed in and turns out she is the mama-san.

i walk up to the desk and mama-san is checking her books or something and then looks up at me with a fucking glare that would tear the souls from a 1000 angels and deliver them to lucifer himself and spits out "how long". no hello, no smile, no "sa-what dee-ka", no politeness, nothing. i have 1/2 a thought to tell her to fuck herself with a 20 inch wrought iron hot poker wrapped in barbed wire and walk out at this point, but again i let it slide as the reviews on this forum have been glowing and enough so it has its own forum! i look at the menu and indicate i would like 90min and before i can say anything she yells out to one of the girls and turns away to do something. i wasn't asked to look at a book, i didn't get a chance to look at a book and to be honest, the girl who she called out was standing next to me already at this point with a huge smile on her face and i just couldn't bring myself to demand i look at the book. now i take full responsibility for this as one of my character flaws (if we want to call it that) is i can't bring myself to not care about people's feelings regardless if they are p4p workers or not. people are people, but in fact i've had a handful or girls here in thailand tell me not to care or worry because most of these girls don't care either (unless they have built up a good rapport with you already and then at that point feelings can and will be hurt).

back to the show.

the girl standing next to me is short and squarish, 100% not my type. her shoulders are broad, her hips are blocky and there are very few curves on her. i like trim and slim and i'm really not too forgiving, so please understand my preference is going to clearly color the rest of this report.

she walks me up some stairs and tells me i can use the toilet, which i do and when i go to wash my hands i see a sink with no faucet ("nice" i think to myself, what a fucking dump. these chicks must be grand champion sex performers for everyone to keep singing their praises), so i keep trusting in the board and make my way out and shake it from my mind. i'm led into a very small room which again going with the whole "shitty dump theme" i'm not surprised and at this point my expectations are so low that as long as i don't smell anything rancid or see a dead body laying on the floor i won't be shocked. no bad smell, and no body stuffed in the mattress so i walk in. the lights are very dim, and i again try and shake my disappointment from my mind trusting i'm in for a hell of a good time.

this girl has yet to stop smiling at this point and that has helped a bit, and eventually i ask her her name and she tells me "rose". "great! " i think, i read on the boards about this girl and about how she was pretty damn good (not one of the others like dao or whatever, but i figured, ok maybe not all is lost). rose sounds like she swallowed a dog's squeak toy, and her english isn't good at all so for those of you who don't like the "asian style cuteness" you won't like her personality as she oozes this. i don't mind it, and if her body was actually my type i would have been happy, but i digress.

we head into the shower, she does a good job cleaning me, no play in the shower but fellas, i'm just not feeling it and i'm already pretty sure this is going to be a bad time, and at to be honest i'm clinging onto a hope and a dream (like when that girl broke up with you back in school and all your buddies told you it would be ok and she would be back and you believed them).

out of the shower onto the bed where there is just a blue towel on it (i'm guessing there are no sheet changes here but maybe they do) and there is a pillow for your head and i'm also wondering at this point if each new guy gets a fresh pillow case. again, if the place didn't look the way it did i probably wouldn't be thinking this, hell, maybe this place is cleaner then some of the other places i've been too but i was fooled by the shiny exterior!

rose begins giving me a "oil rub down" i wouldn't call it a massage as it is simply rubbing oil on my body and after 10 min she flips me over and starts rubbing her chest on me and then rubs her ass and pussy on me as well. my heart rate is increasing at this point and not because i'm excited, i'm thinking "i don't want her pussy anywhere near my uncovered cock", so i make adjustments in my body to prevent this mostly and she then puts it between her thighs and moves up and down and finally gives me a bbbj. now, the girl has skills, there is no denying it, but at the risk of sounding like a broken record, there is just zero interest on my part and no chemistry.

after about 15 min she tells me i can come twice so i think she suspects i'm holding back on her, but the truth of the matter is i like to take my time, and i don't have any problems going all night long if the chemistry is there. she eventually covers me up and mounts me and to be blatantly honest i'm trying to remember what all she did on top but it was so unmemorable i can't. i know i eventually came while she was on top, but i think my mind has shredded this memory (and it just happened yesterday).

she then tells me to relax and gives me a hand massage (a good one at that) and then it is time for round two. at this point i recall tulips is the place to go if you want to stick your wiener where the sun don't shine, so i figure, what the hell, maybe that'll get things going! again, the whole time she is happy, smiling and bubbly! with her on all fours she is joking with me that i want to go in "that way" and she lubes up and i enter the back door. she is actually really tight back there, almost too tight as it didn't feel that good at first a i wasn't really able to pump very well, but eventually things loosened up and it started feeling better, but i was thinking i should have just done it doggy and called it a day. i eventually came, and it wasn't anything special. i've gone in my girlfriends poopers so nothing new for me.

after this i just want to get the hell out of here because honestly, being mostly new to the p4p scene i'm still a bit nervous about it and the atmosphere and experience here just didn't help things at all. rose tells me to lay down again and relax and i try to, but i'm just not feeling good and i really want to hop in the shower and wash myself a 1000 times to see if soap, water and chemicals can scrub this whole experience from my mind. just to be clear though, there was nothing noticeably unclean about rose, or the room itself, just everything i've mentioned here was just too much for me. at this point rose starts telling me how there are other girls and how there is a book and that i can choose my girl, and when i came there were only two girls available as most of the girls show up around 1pm (i got there at about 12:45pm). she obviously could tell i wasn't into her, and to her credit she wanted me to know that i had options and that was very nice of her and i thanked her (felt a little bad the same time).

we walk downstairs, go to the counter and this sexy girl comes over and shows me how much it will cost on the calculator and i'm thinking, god damn it, where was this girl when i got here and there was another one i saw sitting down that was more my type as well. oh well, i pay the bill something like 2100 baht, and i give rose a 200 baht tip because i felt bad and stuck it in her ass. mostly the tip was to make me feel better.

i leave tulips and decide to walk back to ll instead of taking the train. on my way back to the lodge i pass a place called saba massage and there is a very, very hot spinner standing outside looking at me and making eye contact and i smile at her and as i walk past she tells me to come inside for a massage and i politely refuse and keep walking. i'm thinking, you know. the best way to get your mind off of something bad is to get yourself a nice piece of ass, and just as i'm thinking this i hear her yell out to me to come back please and i turn around and smile at her again and she turns away pretending to be shy and i keep walking. about 20 more feet i turn around again just to see if she has already moved on, but nope, she is still looking at me and smiles again and i smile back and wave but for whatever reason keeping walking. having just shot twice and not feeling too good about it i just didn't want to make the effort. perhaps i'll go back tomorrow and check it out.

get back to the loge, get some really good thai food from ll again and head upstairs to rest a bit. i plan to go to soi cowboy tonight but after my tulips experience i just didn't feel up to it and decided to go down to the sports bar again where i knew the girls and knew it would be fun.

i head down after a quick shower and once again, 15 to 20 beautiful girls and only a handful of men (maybe 2 or 3) at this point (6pm maybe). i don't see ning there and i remember she said she worked part time and wasn't there every night. mama-san who i became friendly with challenges me to pool and i proceed to lose 5 games to 1, all while i've got my eye on easily one of the hottest girls i've seen in thailand, and she keeps making eye contact with me as well. we exchange smiles every so often and eventually i sit down with mama-san and tell her i like the girl at the end and she calls her over. her name is may, and she is just as pretty up close. i start talking with her and the mama-san and they ask me to do some more "magic" tricks, so i tell them i'll need 9 coins. one of the staff gives me one coin as i had 8 on me. mama-san goes away for a second and i tell may and the other staff memeber the secret to this trick as i need a partner to pull it off.

mama-san comes back, i tell her to touch one of the coins and i'll turn away and then when she is done i'll read her mind and touch the coin she choose. i do this 3 or 4 times and mama-san is confused. about 5 or 6 of the other girls crowd around the table and the 2nd mama-san comes over and again and again i amaze them. at this point i tell them i can touch anyone's head and transfer my magic to them so they can do the trick. i touch may and have her turn around while someone chooses a coin and then may turns around and chooses the correct coin. everyone is amazed. this happens 3 or 4 more times and then i touch the staff member who gave me his coin as i showed him the trick too and again everyone is amazed by all of this. this goes on for about 20min and may is laughing and we are all having a good time. at this point i see ning walk in but she sees i'm already with a bevy of girls and doesn't come over. i feel a little bad again, but ning had told me the other night she hopes i bar fine her again but says i should try other girls too since i am on holiday and it is ok. that was nice of her i thought.

the timing is right, may is having a good time and i can't wait to get her back to my room. we head upstairs and she wants to take separate showers because she is shy but i convince her it is more fun together and she says ok. nothing special about the shower but we play a little bit and there is lots of laughing. we get out of the shower and get onto the bed and we cuddle for a little bit and i could tell may wasn't the aggressive type and i'd need to lead the way. i didn't mind as i like to lead, so i start kissing her neck and body and kiss her lips and i can tell she is a bit timid and doesn't do muck dfk. no worries, you can't expect a girl to just hop right on it all the time, so i warm her up some more and start to daty which it seems she is liking, and eventually she tells me to stop and covers hr pussy with her hand and says she doesn't want to finish that way. no problem, that just means it is her turn to please me.

we kiss some more, this time there is some more dfk and i tell caress her slowly and gently and she starts to melt a bit more and the kissing becomes more passionate. i put her hand on my cock and she begins to stroke it and makes her way down there for some bbbj and after a bit i ask her to kneel down between my legs and do it so i can see her face and she does and looks at me with her beautiful eyes. after a bit i put on a condom and she gets on top of me and we start going at it. may is not a wild type of girl, but she followed my lead wonderfully and i had a great time. we switch to mish, and then i start drilling her doggy all the while i'm hearing small whimpers and moans but i can still tell she is kind of nervous. i lay behind her on our sides so things can be more soft and intimate and she starts getting into more again finally i can hear her come or what i take for coming and i release my load as well.

we lay there a bit and talk, then she says she can't stay lt because she works in the morning at an office, so i tell her no problem, we talk for about 20 more minutes and then i pay her and give her a nice hug and a long kiss which she seems to enjoy and she heads out and she says i should bar fine her on friday or saturday as she doesn't have to work at the office in the mornings on those days.

today was an up and down ride (i thank you. i'll be here all night folks, don't forget to tip the waitress and try the ham! ) but so far ll bar has been great. not sure about tulips, i'd like to give it another shot but i fear i may be forever scarred from my last encounter sadly.

up next. i really need to get my ass down to soi cowboy and nana to see what all the fuss is about.

stay tuned!

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[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I got the shocker yesterday. I got the message from a girl who told me she was pregnant. [/QUOTE]

Oh god please no.... one Rabbit KTV is enough already... we don't need any more

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Oh god please no.... one Rabbit KTV is enough already... we don't need any more[/QUOTE]

You know I have twins....

(Identical Twin Uni Girls :D )

[QUOTE=Opebo] She ended up demanding an extra hundred for bareback and that I 'water outside'. I acquiesced to the former but not the latter. However she had the last laugh as I discovered later she had stolen 500 baht from me and given me the clap![/QUOTE]

She didn't give it to you, you bought it.

A few Qs about LL.

First, are there two distinct girls? One named Ning and one named Neung?

Second, what is the deal with the BFs there? Sometimes they seem to lower them as the night moves on. Sometimes they claim not to lower them. I've heard people claim many different figures at different times of the night. What's the deal?

[QUOTE=Pita123]First, are there two distinct girls? One named Ning and one named Neung?[/QUOTE]

Depend on what day of the week :D Pita123 you know that girls change their names many times. I know one girl at LL that has changed her name three times. But yes these are different girls. It gets really confusing when girls by the same name work at the same bar.

Just be like me and call them all your tee rak and you'll be safe ;) Until they want to cut off your dick and feed it to the ducks that is....

[QUOTE=Pita123]Second, what is the deal with the BFs there? Sometimes they seem to lower them as the night moves on. Sometimes they claim not to lower them. I've heard people claim many different figures at different times of the night. What's the deal?[/QUOTE]

The BF's are lower after certain hour in the night. I forget the time but later in the night like every other place the later the night the lower the BF. The BF does NOT change ever. HOWEVER there is a lower BF for multiple days... if you take a girl out for a week there is a lower rate, it is the late night price if I remember right. But I think it is three day you take a girl out you get the late night BF rate per day.

Now the price the girl asks for her time can change. Can be lower or higher, if she has had many customers and not need the cash or feel up to going out she can ask a higher amount. If it is late, if she likes you, if she is desperate for cash of course she can ask whatever she wants. That is always between you and the girl and LL will not get involved in that.

Some girls have many customers and sponsors and such and they can say they never change their rates. But this isn't the BF. This is solely between you and the girl.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]The BF's are lower after certain hour in the night. I forget the time but later in the night like every other place the later the night the lower the BF. The BF does NOT change ever.[/QUOTE]

So they do lower it or don't lower it? It is up to the girl to remember?

[QUOTE=Pita123]So they do lower it or don't lower it? It is up to the girl to remember?[/QUOTE]

the BF is not up to the girl, it is up to the house. It is not up to the girl to remember anything about it. It lowers at 11 pm maybe, can never remember, never lasted that long. Always in the room by then. :D

The BF is higher early in the evening, to prevent all the girls to be barfined early, and leave the place emty of girls.

[QUOTE=Hunter1969]The BF is higher early in the evening, to prevent all the girls to be barfined early, and leave the place emty of girls.[/QUOTE]

Gee you think? Wow never would have figured that one out all by ourselves.

For any of you who want to venture into the dark ..

When you face Asia Hotel, go down the first soi immediately to the right of the hotel, right beside it. Keep looking to your right. You'll soon spot a short-time hotel (curtains to hide the cars) on your right. They have ladies onsite for 1000b. I got taken to a little waiting room on the 2nd floor and the ladies were rounded up for inspection. Bacarra this aint.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]For any of you who want to venture into the dark ..

When you face Asia Hotel, go down the first soi immediately to the right of the hotel, right beside it. Keep looking to your right. You'll soon spot a short-time hotel (curtains to hide the cars) on your right. They have ladies onsite for 1000b. I got taken to a little waiting room on the 2nd floor and the ladies were rounded up for inspection. Bacarra this aint.[/QUOTE]

quality of the ladies? As bad as the hotel?

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Gee you think? Wow never would have figured that one out all by ourselves.[/QUOTE]

Whilst this may be obvious to many, Hunter was only trying to help. I think you should go easy on him, it's not the Fight Club.

[QUOTE=Oldian]quality of the ladies? As bad as the hotel?[/QUOTE]

Seemed similar to the cheaper Thai-oriented Petchaburi massage parlors.

[QUOTE=Rambis Youth]Whilst this may be obvious to many, Hunter was only trying to help. I think you should go easy on him, it's not the Fight Club.[/QUOTE]

Ouch man.... don't insult the memory of OTH.....

OK OK.. Hunter... yes thank you we know the reason why the bar fine gets lower later. I can not remember what TIME of the night the BF at LL gets reduced as usually by that hour I'm already shagging away and it's been a long time since I've BF'd a girl there.

Also as 1Ball says I'm 18 years his senior which means I must be about 98 years old by now.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I can not remember what TIME of the night the BF at LL gets reduced.[/QUOTE]
11pm it reduces from 1,500 to 1,000BHT, if I remember correctly.

[QUOTE=Sonic Bam]11pm it reduces from 1,500 to 1,000BHT, if I remember correctly.[/QUOTE]Why would anyone barfine an LL girl for those prices ? Some people have more money than sense, or simply they are to fat and lazy to be bothered to go out and get better quality for better value.

But thats their choice.

hi dainoji.

it's funny, after my first visit to tulip i left exactly with your same negative feelings, while now it is one of my favorite places in bkk.

first of all, the mamasan could indeed use an intensive course of good manners. and yes, it was not your fault, whenever she sees a new face she tries to match the guy with the next girl in the queue without showing a book or inquiring about tastes or preferences. most of the guys (me included) do exactly what you did: get the girl because sending her back and asking for a new one would not be, let's say, correct. and you are right again, when you get in for the first time, the girls at the "beauty salon" don't pay much attention to you.

but, m/s is probably obliged to have some kind of rotation system, otherwise the new or less popular girls would not have enough work as most of the guys ask for the same 3 or 4 (alleged) superstars. moreover, if you can say "90minutesoilcaniseetheladiesplease" without breathing, even if you are a newcomer, she will point her finger at the stairs and let you go down and choose the girl by yourself. and she won't even look more pissed off than how she normally does. once you are downstairs you will have all the smiles and giggles that you deserve and also the girls at the makeup will teleport like ninjas to partecipate in *your* lineup.

second, the fucking dump. ok, tulip's premises are not exactly elegant. but again, there are probably good reasons for that. the buildings in thailand get worn very quickly and the renovation costs should be somehow recovered. probably the building does not even belong to tulip and finally i am rather sure that most of the "regulars" could not care less about the look of the rooms. so, you are right, the place sucks but i can live with that now that i am used to it. i even kind of like it.

third, the hygiene thing. personally i don't use the pillow. i roll my own towel and put it under my neck. however i have never seen stains on the sheets even if a lot of oil (and god only knows what else) is used during the sessions. so i presume that the sheets are changed after every customer. there are always 2 or 3 cleaning ladies on duty and they do not spend all their time bringing in the drinks and peeping at our dicks (i know they do.). anyway if someone instead knew for sure that the sheets are not regularly changed, please. i don't want to know it.

concerning the girls, if you think about that rationally, they cannot be less than clean. they are thai (hygiene & good smell addicted). they take at least 10 showers a day and, probably also for this reason, they do it together with their customers. i always help them with hot water and baby soap with particular care for their hot spots.

finally, concerning her pussy getting close to your unprotected willy, i think i can reassure you that such a "mistake" as a bareback penetration will never take place. unless you look like brad pitt and have a dick like john holmes i mean.

so, all in all, in my case the bad experience depended on the fact that i was not feeling comfortable with the whole situation. a place like tulip, on the first time, can be emotionally tough and all the details you mentioned do not help with this feeling of uneasiness. maybe it was just the same for you.

if i can give you a suggestion, have a look at snow white. the parlor practically belongs to the same owners but is smaller, brand new, clean and definitely does not look as gray and depressive as tulip. there is a larger room with an armchair, you may ask for that one. the staff is very friendly, included the mamasan and the "assistant". the girls, in average, look a bit better than tulip's even if the performance is not always at the same level. some names: om (like in from) is very young and very cute, she is about 150 for 37/38 kgs and has a beautiful face and a bright smile. no children, no english, no anal, no long experience, but for the rest she is up to anything.

fa. if you want a real gfe but also a back door for willy to play she may be the right person. acceptable look, no kids, nice and firm breasts. new on the job (like most of sw girls) she still lacks a bit of experience but is totally eager to please: she can do everything you want.

enjoy!

[quote=dainoji]day 3:

i follow her, and bingo, she walks into tulips with me right behind and she promptly lets the door close on me (unbeknownst to her). no worries, having lived in large cities i'm used to people only thinking about themselves, so i don't let it phase me and i open the door and walk in.

now i already rtff on tulips, so i wasn't expecting anything, but to be honest, this place is a fucking dump,

all i see at first are two beauty salon style chairs and two girls in them (who pay me no attention). this is strange i think as all the other places i've been (and haven't been for that matter) have someone opening the door for me, a gaggle of birds sitting about smiling up at me, but not this place.

the girl i had followed in and turns out she is the mama-san. i walk up to the desk and mama-san is checking her books or something and then looks up at me with a fucking glare that would tear the souls from a 1000 angels and deliver them to lucifer himself and spits out "how long". no hello, no smile, no "sa-what dee-ka", no politeness, nothing.

i look at the menu and indicate i would like 90min and before i can say anything she yells out to one of the girls and turns away to do something. i wasn't asked to look at a book, i didn't get a chance to look at a book and to be honest, the girl who she called out was standing next to me already at this point with a huge smile on her face and i just couldn't bring myself to demand i look at the book.

now i take full responsibility for this as one of my character flaws (if we want to call it that) is i can't bring myself to not care about people's feelings regardless if they are p4p workers or not.

i'm led into a very small room which again going with the whole "shitty dump theme" i'm not surprised and at this point my expectations are so low that as long as i don't smell anything rancid or see a dead body laying on the floor i won't be shocked.

out of the shower onto the bed where there is just a blue towel on it (i'm guessing there are no sheet changes here but maybe they do) and there is a pillow for your head and i'm also wondering at this point if each new guy gets a fresh pillow case. again, if the place didn't look the way it did i probably wouldn't be thinking this, hell, maybe this place is cleaner then some of the other places i've been too but i was fooled by the shiny exterior!

my heart rate is increasing at this point and not because i'm excited, i'm thinking "i don't want her pussy anywhere near my uncovered cock", so i make adjustments in my body to prevent this mostly and she then puts it between her thighs and moves up and down and finally gives me a bbbj. now, the girl has skills, there is no denying it, but at the risk of sounding like a broken record, there is just zero interest on my part and no chemistry.

after this i just want to get the hell out of here because honestly, being mostly new to the p4p scene i'm still a bit nervous about it and the atmosphere and experience here just didn't help things at all. rose tells me to lay down again and relax and i try to, but i'm just not feeling good and i really want to hop in the shower and wash myself a 1000 times to see if soap, water and chemicals can scrub this whole experience from my mind.

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[QUOTE=The Pro]Why would anyone barfine an LL girl for those prices ? Some people have more money than sense, or simply they are to fat and lazy to be bothered to go out and get better quality for better value.

But thats their choice.[/QUOTE]


OK the baseline. At 35BHT to $1.00 an 800 BHT BarFine is roughly $23.00. A 1000BHT BF is $28.00 and a 1500BHT BF is $43.00. So, the difference between the 800BF and the 1500BF is $20.00, or an $8.00 difference between 800BHT and 1000BHT.

So, maybe you’re a lowly civil servant toiling away in what feels like perpetuity. Or perhaps you are a middleclass guy with a wife and some kids stretching to make end meet and maybe “get a little ahead”, or perhaps you are a businessman who watches EVERY penny and beams with pride when viewing bank balances that will undoubtedly be left to someone who surely appreciates the money less than you who covet it so dearly as to demean those who spend it “too freely” on things you would not.

I don’t know and nor do I want to. That’s between you and whomever you answer to.

But I do know that I’m neither fat nor lazy, really not much more than occasionally stupid though I sometimes speak when in fact I should just shut-up, moderately successful (at least by USA major city standards) and tend not to spend money “foolishly”.

That being said, there isn’t much inconvenience I would endure to save 20 bucks in BKK. I doubt I would walk more than a block out of my way, I wouldn’t not eat somewhere to save $20, I won’t traipse around an airport to save it on taxifare and I CERTAINLY would not pass on a woman or 3 that I wanted to fuck because she/they wanted $20 more. NEVER! Not unless I had to. Many of us don’t and never will.

So, with that being said, I suggest a re-examination of both compass and propensity for misjudgment are in order lest someone mistake you for a poor bitter man…

IMHO of course,

Buenos suerte,
Rjsss212

[QUOTE=The Pro]Why would anyone barfine an LL girl for those prices ? Some people have more money than sense, or simply they are to fat and lazy to be bothered to go out and get better quality for better value.

But thats their choice.[/QUOTE]

This topic has been debated a million times. You know that Soi 33 will always have a steady flow of customers as not everyone wants to mess through NEP / Cowboy etc... There's a niche market for everything in BKK. Just like SOL / Lolitta's has it's market, Eden has it's market, Soi 33 has it's market.

Most customers go to this area for just the hostess type bar, non smoking, not loud brash music, just hang out with work friends. Older and more well off men then other bars visit these places as the prices are higher. But compared to many countries the price is not high and many guys do NOT want to mess with NEP or Nana area or such.

And it's kind of funny but many girls get taken as permanent GF's from soi 33 very often by fat lazy rich guys and the girls know this. So it's more of a hunting ground for the girls then cowboy or other places are. The girls are more educated (ie can speak english and are sneakier then hell).

But lately with the bad economy, many bar girls on soi 33 did turn to a more loose open more like "cowboy" approach.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212]OK the baseline. At 35BHT to $1.00 an 800 BHT BarFine is roughly $23.00. A 1000BHT BF is $28.00 and a 1500BHT BF is $43.00. So, the difference between the 800BF and the 1500BF is $20.00, or an $8.00 difference between 800BHT and 1000BHT.
...[/QUOTE]

I agree. No one is really forcing you either to do anything. Sure, raising the local price sucks.. but I come to LOS for 2-3 weeks and I spend a normal thai year salary on fun so of course the ladies up the rates as much as they can.

I always compare with p4p elsewhere. Like "home" in europe.. 450 USD for 60 min. Or.. 200 USD for some poon in Seoul... So YES - it is "wrong" for them to up the price just "because" we could afford it but it sets a standard that should be frown upon. Also IMHO.

Considering I do hundreds of P4P in a year (as I am one of these "lucky" people who is not a short term holiday tourist here in Asia), 20$ per time runs into many thousands of dollars per year.

If you are lazy enough to pay 20$ more for a bar fine you are also probably paying 20$ to 40$ more to the girl as her tip. Its often as they say, fools and money soon depart company.

So minimum lets say you paying 40$ per time more than needed.

Run that past 200 times a year and that is 8000$ more to pay annually.

As you can see, when you do this on a small scale as say a tourist then its a few hundred dollars.

For us people who really do monger, all the time, then you appreciate that the increased costs are not minimal, and we professional mongers appreciate value and getting the most bang for your buck.

So please, whilst you evaluate your little world and your little holiday/s, do not presume to know other peoples lives or habit or simply underestimating the volume of fun they are having in one year.

LL (Livingstones Lodge) is overpriced for rooms, its overpriced for bar fines and its overpriced for girls.

But whilst it can merilly make money from often lazy USA tourists (not all, but often) then good luck to them.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212]OK the baseline. At 35BHT to $1.00 an 800 BHT BarFine is roughly $23.00. A 1000BHT BF is $28.00 and a 1500BHT BF is $43.00. So, the difference between the 800BF and the 1500BF is $20.00, or an $8.00 difference between 800BHT and 1000BHT.

So, maybe you’re a lowly civil servant toiling away in what feels like perpetuity. Or perhaps you are a middleclass guy with a wife and some kids stretching to make end meet and maybe “get a little ahead”, or perhaps you are a businessman who watches EVERY penny and beams with pride when viewing bank balances that will undoubtedly be left to someone who surely appreciates the money less than you who covet it so dearly as to demean those who spend it “too freely” on things you would not.

I don’t know and nor do I want to. That’s between you and whomever you answer to.

But I do know that I’m neither fat nor lazy, really not much more than occasionally stupid though I sometimes speak when in fact I should just shut-up, moderately successful (at least by USA major city standards) and tend not to spend money “foolishly”.

That being said, there isn’t much inconvenience I would endure to save 20 bucks in BKK. I doubt I would walk more than a block out of my way, I wouldn’t not eat somewhere to save $20, I won’t traipse around an airport to save it on taxifare and I CERTAINLY would not pass on a woman or 3 that I wanted to fuck because she/they wanted $20 more. NEVER! Not unless I had to. Many of us don’t and never will.

So, with that being said, I suggest a re-examination of both compass and propensity for misjudgment are in order lest someone mistake you for a poor bitter man…

IMHO of course,

Buenos suerte,

Rjsss212[/QUOTE]

Frazer

Good response. I agree with most of your comments, with one exception see below. Tulip is for the most part a safe and clean place and for most farang punters it's one of the few 'safe bets' in Bangkok and certainly good value for money if you're quite new to the Thailand scene. The quality of service, in my experience, is unparalleled there.

However, I disagree with you about unprotected sex in Tulip. I had it on my second visit there. I was not a victim in this situation, I was as much to blame as she was and events just sort of took over. But if it happened to me on my second vist, and I'm no Brad Pitt nor John Holmes, then it most certainly can happen to anyone. Indeed, this is true throughout Thailand. From my experience, girls from Thailand, Phillipines, China, Indonesia, Cambodia etc care much less about the risks of unprotected sex than most of us farangs/gringos/gweilos.


[QUOTE=Frazer]Hi Dainoji.
Finally, concerning her pussy getting close to your unprotected willy, I think I can reassure you that such a "mistake" as a bareback penetration will never take place. Unless you look like Brad Pitt and have a dick like John Holmes I mean.

So, all in all, in my case the bad experience depended on the fact that I was not feeling comfortable with the whole situation. A place like Tulip, on the first time, can be emotionally tough and all the details you mentioned do not help with this feeling of uneasiness. Maybe it was just the same for you.

If I can give you a suggestion, have a look at Snow White. The parlor practically belongs to the same owners but is smaller, brand new, clean and definitely does not look as gray and depressive as Tulip. There is a larger room with an armchair, you may ask for that one. The staff is very friendly, included the mamasan and the "assistant". The girls, in average, look a bit better than Tulip's even if the performance is not always at the same level. Some names: Om (like in from) is very young and very cute, she is about 150 for 37/38 kgs and has a beautiful face and a bright smile. No children, no english, no anal, no long experience, but for the rest she is up to anything.

Fa. If you want a real GFE but also a back door for willy to play she may be the right person. Acceptable look, no kids, nice and firm breasts. New on the job (like most of SW girls) she still lacks a bit of experience but is totally eager to please: she can do everything you want.

Enjoy!

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[QUOTE=Artful]However, I disagree with you about unprotected sex in Tulip. I had it on my second visit there. I was not a victim in this situation, I was as much to blame as she was and events just sort of took over. But if it happened to me on my second vist, and I'm no Brad Pitt nor John Holmes, then it most certainly can happen to anyone. Indeed, this is true throughout Thailand. From my experience, girls from Thailand, Phillipines, China, Indonesia, Cambodia etc care much less about the risks of unprotected sex than most of us farangs/gringos/gweilos.[/QUOTE]Hi Artful!

You surprised me here. In many visits to T. I've never had the feeling that a request for bareback could actually be accepted, leave alone proposed by the girl (7/8 girls in my palmarès). Maybe it is my body language (I always use the condom, no doubts, no exceptions) or maybe it's the girls I was with.

To your knowledge was that an isolated case?

[QUOTE=Frazer]Hi Artful!

You surprised me here. In many visits to T. I've never had the feeling that a request for bareback could actually be accepted, leave alone proposed by the girl (7/8 girls in my palmarès). Maybe it is my body language (I always use the condom, no doubts, no exceptions) or maybe it's the girls I was with.

To your knowledge was that an isolated case?[/QUOTE]

Read the Tulip's Thread and take note of the discussion from earlier this year about BB sex. After reading those reports you will know if Artful's encounter was isolated or not.

[QUOTE=Frazer]To your knowledge was that an isolated case?[/QUOTE]

HELL NO it's not isolated...

[QUOTE=The Pro]Considering I do hundreds of P4P in a year (as I am one of these "lucky" people who is not a short term holiday tourist here in Asia), 20$ per time runs into many thousands of dollars per year.

If you are lazy enough to pay 20$ more for a bar fine you are also probably paying 20$ to 40$ more to the girl as her tip. Its often as they say, fools and money soon depart company.

So minimum lets say you paying 40$ per time more than needed.

Run that past 200 times a year and that is 8000$ more to pay annually.

As you can see, when you do this on a small scale as say a tourist then its a few hundred dollars.

For us people who really do monger, all the time, then you appreciate that the increased costs are not minimal, and we professional mongers appreciate value and getting the most bang for your buck.

So please, whilst you evaluate your little world and your little holiday/s, do not presume to know other peoples lives or habit or simply underestimating the volume of fun they are having in one year.

LL (Livingstones Lodge) is overpriced for rooms, its overpriced for bar fines and its overpriced for girls.

But whilst it can merilly make money from often lazy USA tourists (not all, but often) then good luck to them.[/QUOTE]Mr Pro!

I stand in awe of your sexual poweress! Could you please enlighten me_ what is a " Professional Monger"

A while ago I wrote on these boards about G-Clubs in Bangkok where you can basically pay for the company of a Thai girl while drinking, dancing and watching some live entertainment. It's a very different and more expensive scene than go-go bars, and in most cases the women will not go home with you. On the upside the women are usually much more attractive and have more balanced, normal lives. It's a fun alternative to the other offerings in Bangkok.

I highly recommend you try a new G-Club that opened up in the same place of the old KaraFun. Which used to be an afterhours party place. This G-Club has a very different concept. All of the women there actually sing and dance themselves on stage. It's sometimes like watching American Idol! The club is set up like a swanky lounge and is more low-key and classy than your typical G-Club. However, I was really blown away by the performing talent on stage (they practice quite a bit from what I was told with quite a few English songs). And a few of the girls are truly among the most stunning looking in Thailand. Also came across some who speak really good English and are more worldly (e. G. Have passports and have actually stepped outside Thailand).

The only downside is cost. Membership here is 20K baht and serves like a prepaid card for drinks, mixers and lady time ( 350 baht for 40 minutes). The membership gets you 20% off these costs, but a typical evening can easily run you 5K. This membership structure is VERY different and MORE costly than other clubs such as Caribbean where I'm a member and for the same 20K baht you get 10 bottles of liquor and unlimited free mixers. Unfortunately they are shutting down Caribbean next month. Not enough business. And memberships are actually being transferred to KaraFun (from what I've been told). If you want to enjoy KaraFun without a membership, you have to open up a bottle of alcohol (2, 000 baht) and you don't get the 20% discount.

If you're living/working in Thailand and have some money, a G-Club is not a bad venue to meet and date a quality Thai girl. You'll get someone who is on average much more attractive and "high society". These women make good money, often have their own apartments and even own a car. From my experience, if you click well with one of these women, it's easy to get a phone number at the end of the night and score a dinner the next day. One recommendation is avoid hotels. These women are very sensitive to being seen by others as a go-go girl and are generally uncomfortable in hotel type settings. Also, it's fun to "barfine" these G-Club girls. About 4500-6000 baht and you can take them outside the club. However, if a girl likes you, she may be willing to call in unavailable to the G-Club and ask you to pay the penalty which may only be 1, 000 baht.

Again, it's a very different scene and not for everyone. But would definitely give the new KaraFun a try at least once for a very different experience.

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[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]HELL NO it's not isolated...[/QUOTE]Isolated from what?

[QUOTE=Sonic Bam]11pm it reduces from 1,500 to 1,000BHT, if I remember correctly.[/QUOTE]
And down to 700 at closing

[QUOTE=Artful]"..... However, I disagree with you about unprotected sex in Tulip. I had it on my second visit there. I was not a victim in this situation, I was as much to blame as she was and events just sort of took over. But if it happened to me on my second vist, and I'm no Brad Pitt nor John Holmes, then it most certainly can happen to anyone. Indeed, this is true throughout Thailand. From my experience, girls from Thailand, Phillipines, China, Indonesia, Cambodia etc care much less about the risks of unprotected sex than most of us farangs/gringos/gweilos.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right, Artful.

BB -FS is still popular in different places. 2 weeks ago I went to SOL in Patpong (My favourite "harbor"). I enjoyed a perfect BJ when a second lady approached and tried to jump on my lap. Within one second my "boy" was hidden in her pussy - and felt quite happy in changed surroundings. -

Also recent visits to Tulip gave me the experience that there is no question at all to enter the holes uncovered.

Stay healthy !
F.V.

[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor]You are absolutely right, Artful.

BB. FS is still popular in different places. 2 weeks ago I went to SOL in Patpong (My favourite "harbor"). I enjoyed a perfect BJ when a second lady approached and tried to jump on my lap. Within one second my "boy" was hidden in her pussy. And felt quite happy in changed surroundings..

Also recent visits to Tulip gave me the experience that there is no question at all to enter the holes uncovered.

Stay healthy![/quote]By the way flying. Sometime ago I was also a frequent flyer in sol. Paid only each round Baht 500. Do you pay nowadays also 500 as frequent flyer or is it for all patron the same 700?

[QUOTE=Soilord]CM2 has had Russian girls for many years. I haven't been there for a long time, but the most recent information I have (January 2009) is that there are still plenty of Russians there, but at a fairly high price. My most recent info on the Rajah (from last week) is that the price is 2600 THB for on-site ST. A papasan takes you from the lobby to a second floor room to make your choice, and then the girl takes you to another room upstairs to do the deed. Apparently there's an additional 100 THB for condoms if you don't have your own.[/QUOTE]We were in CM2 last week, lots of quality eastern europeans( not all russians) charging 3,500 to 4,000 for a short time. A lot of Thai girls there to who were much cheaper but high quality.

[QUOTE=Artful]From my experience, girls from Thailand, Phillipines, China, Indonesia, Cambodia etc care much less about the risks of unprotected sex than most of us farangs/gringos/gweilos.[/QUOTE]

Have to disagree with you about the Chinese... they are very insistent on the condoms. No problem getting BB from any of the other nationalities though, especially Indonesian and to a lesser extent Philipines (must be due to Islam and Catholicism). But here in Egypt it is 100% unprotected (more so than Asian countries).

[QUOTE=The Pro]Considering I do hundreds of P4P in a year (as I am one of these "lucky" people who is not a short term holiday tourist here in Asia), 20$ per time runs into many thousands of dollars per year.
...
LL (Livingstones Lodge) is overpriced for rooms, its overpriced for bar fines and its overpriced for girls.
...
[/QUOTE]The Pro,

I see, I have a new friend :) ...

Overpriced - is that so? How do you know? Doing HUNDREDS of P4P a year will hardly leave time enough to visit our place and enjoy TIME in a nice environment...


Giotto
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL]

[QUOTE=Frazer]Hi Artful!

You surprised me here. In many visits to T. I've never had the feeling that a request for bareback could actually be accepted, leave alone proposed by the girl (7/8 girls in my palmarès). Maybe it is my body language (I always use the condom, no doubts, no exceptions) or maybe it's the girls I was with.

To your knowledge was that an isolated case?[/QUOTE]

Just wanted to throw in my two cents, most definitely not an unexpected or rare occurrence. While it is true that most gals most likely will not accept requests for BB service, if they like you and have a good feeling, events do have a way of taking over and it happens repeatedly..i never make the request, but the number of times we both get carried away is far more than just coincidence..and i've talked to enough of the girls about it to know that they do it with others...everyone knows they are playing Russian Roulette, but it's like anything else we do that is foolish or stupid and dont necessarily learn from until it may be too late...

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]Seemed similar to the cheaper Thai-oriented Petchaburi massage parlors.[/QUOTE]

i go a lot to Thai oriented Petchaburi places, and i find the gals for the most part a cut above anything i find in Sukhumvit (the places i go to charge 1700-1900 for sideliners, 1300-1600 for fishbowl)...

[QUOTE=The Pro]Considering I do hundreds of P4P in a year (as I am one of these "lucky" people who is not a short term holiday tourist here in Asia), 20$ per time runs into many thousands of dollars per year.

If you are lazy enough to pay 20$ more for a bar fine you are also probably paying 20$ to 40$ more to the girl as her tip. Its often as they say, fools and money soon depart company.

So minimum lets say you paying 40$ per time more than needed.

Run that past 200 times a year and that is 8000$ more to pay annually.

As you can see, when you do this on a small scale as say a tourist then its a few hundred dollars.

For us people who really do monger, all the time, then you appreciate that the increased costs are not minimal, and we professional mongers appreciate value and getting the most bang for your buck.

So please, whilst you evaluate your little world and your little holiday/s, do not presume to know other peoples lives or habit or simply underestimating the volume of fun they are having in one year.

LL (Livingstones Lodge) is overpriced for rooms, its overpriced for bar fines and its overpriced for girls.

But whilst it can merilly make money from often lazy USA tourists (not all, but often) then good luck to them.[/QUOTE]
After having destroyed the thread on ANNIE, the self appointed PRO is now moving to this thread, spreading his intolerance and arrogance as a virus..
Well, I am perhaps what you call an amateur, and yes, I am a tourist, lucky enough NOT to have to resort to mongering every day of my life ..
When in BKK, for only a few days, I love a comfortable environment, and yes, I am lazy, I appreciate the cosiness of paying a bit more to avoid meeting people like you. Yes, I don't give a damn to pay an extra 20 $ for my comfort..and, yes, i TIP!!!!!! Oh my God, what an anathema!!!!! The good news, though, is that i won't meet you at LL during my next visit. I hope Giotto keeps his prices where they are, so people like you don't come.
I could not give a dam about your problem, I am not here to help pennyless cheap Charlies. You monger with your means, I monger with mine...
So please do what you want, pay what you want, go where you want and leave those who do differently in peace..

And, BTW, I am not American, there is nothing more vile and uneduacted than stereotyping like this..

[QUOTE=The Pro]Considering I do hundreds of P4P in a year (as I am one of these "lucky" people who is not a short term holiday tourist here in Asia), 20$ per time runs into many thousands of dollars per year.

If you are lazy enough to pay 20$ more for a bar fine you are also probably paying 20$ to 40$ more to the girl as her tip. Its often as they say, fools and money soon depart company.

So minimum lets say you paying 40$ per time more than needed.

Run that past 200 times a year and that is 8000$ more to pay annually.

As you can see, when you do this on a small scale as say a tourist then its a few hundred dollars.

For us people who really do monger, all the time, then you appreciate that the increased costs are not minimal, and we professional mongers appreciate value and getting the most bang for your buck.

So please, whilst you evaluate your little world and your little holiday/s, do not presume to know other peoples lives or habit or simply underestimating the volume of fun they are having in one year.

LL (Livingstones Lodge) is overpriced for rooms, its overpriced for bar fines and its overpriced for girls.

But whilst it can merilly make money from often lazy USA tourists (not all, but often) then good luck to them.[/QUOTE]
Is this the "comedy hour"?
...professional mongers....
...hundreds (I rate at least 200, then) of P4P
etc etc
Be happy that there are tourists as if the "market" would be left to guys like you, soon the girls will head back home as their pussies will be worn out and with no money in their pockets.
And so be it for LL.
Being a resident there, why do you bother at the prices of an hotel there.
Nobody ever sleeps at an hotel in his home town.

That shows that probably flaming is your more practiced job and hand- blow- j. stay confined in your dream world

[QUOTE=Giotto]The Pro,

I see, I have a new friend :) ...

Overpriced - is that so? How do you know? Doing HUNDREDS of P4P a year will hardly leave time enough to visit our place and enjoy TIME in a nice environment...


Giotto
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL][/QUOTE]Mr G - I think that the handle "The Pro" might mean "Professional" Agitator. Given his self-absorbed commentary of his alleged mongering activities, I too am not surprised he has no time to enjoy your fine establishment.

It's noteworthy that many posters on this forum, often critical of you and your fine business, have come and (thankfully) gone. But you my friend, are still here. That says more than many words.

Styk

Well on two issues "The Pro" is right:

LL has very overpriced rooms as same quality rooms and service can be get for half that price nowadays. And barfines are steep just because Giotto likes to keep up with other venues in Soi 33.

The other point I agree on is that tipping in Thailand is not nessecary at all. Why should I tip a girl when we agreed on a price? For the agreed price I may expect top quality. Same as you may expect when you buy a car! And why should I tip at a bar? For filling up my glass or opening my bottle? Same as with taxi drivers. At those I only round off to the nearest 5 baht when I do not have any change at me. Tipping is such an American thing. Please keep it in the US, and don't spoil the rest of the world with it.

[QUOTE=Suntangh R]Mr Pro!

I stand in awe of your sexual poweress! Could you please enlighten me_ what is a " Professional Monger"[/QUOTE]It means doing it all the time, everyday if possible, wherever you are. Its not a two weeks a year hobby, or something you do from time to time, it is something you do all the time where possible. If your not doing 200 P4P annually year in year out then try harder :)

Giotto,

Did I say it was not a nice enviroment ? It is homely yes, but sady overpriced compared to the competition in all aspects.

You know why you have your crew of "patrons" posting on BB forums trying to get you business.

You, as does Annie, actively promote the posting and "marketing" of LL through internet forums, attempting to get as many references as possible to get first timers and others into your establishment.

THIS IS NOT in the interests of mongers.

BB's free of paid for references is good. Do you offer discounts to BB posters ? Do you give away free drinks or food to your friends who post on here ? Just like Aey at Annies gives discounts to posters and free drinks to those who help her maintain her image on the forums.

People need to be aware that Annies and LL have lots of poster who support them, who also obtain benefits from those establishments or have personal friends there.

This means biased reporting, lots of references to, and in general the need for everyone else to be reminded of this from time to time, so they do not fall for the marketing spin.

I would not tell anyone not to try these places, but I would say be very wary of beleiving the hype of the "paid for in kind" references you will see around the BB's.

This is what makes BB's good. Its called differing opinions and allowing people to make up their own mind.

[QUOTE=Giotto]The Pro,

I see, I have a new friend :) ...

Overpriced - is that so? How do you know? Doing HUNDREDS of P4P a year will hardly leave time enough to visit our place and enjoy TIME in a nice environment...

Giotto
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dreams]After having destroyed the thread on ANNIE, the self appointed PRO is now moving to this thread, spreading his intolerance and arrogance as a virus..
Well, I am perhaps what you call an amateur, and yes, I am a tourist, lucky enough NOT to have to resort to mongering every day of my life ..
When in BKK, for only a few days, I love a comfortable environment, and yes, I am lazy, I appreciate the cosiness of paying a bit more to avoid meeting people like you. Yes, I don't give a damn to pay an extra 20 $ for my comfort..and, yes, i TIP!!!!!! Oh my God, what an anathema!!!!! The good news, though, is that i won't meet you at LL during my next visit. I hope Giotto keeps his prices where they are, so people like you don't come.
I could not give a dam about your problem, I am not here to help pennyless cheap Charlies. You monger with your means, I monger with mine...
So please do what you want, pay what you want, go where you want and leave those who do differently in peace..

And, BTW, I am not American, there is nothing more vile and uneduacted than stereotyping like this..[/QUOTE]
Dreams,
Good post.
I will be paying attention to future ones.
Nicely put. Do as you wish, and screw those who disagree.

Hello

What is the usual cost for 1 week / 1 month booking of Bargirls?

(huge barfine + full time pay for the girl ?)

Basically i'm looking to rent a house (like from [url]http://www.soho-properties.com[/url])
Get 2-3 girls, have ourselves tested and spend 3 to 7 weeks of "creampiethais".
Kinda like [url]http://xhamster.com/movies/120796/thai_sexsion_2_n15.html[/url]

Does it seem "doable" or would "too risky (HIV) and too hard to pull off"?

[QUOTE=The Pro]...
Did I say it was not a nice enviroment ? It is homely yes, but sady overpriced compared to the competition in all aspects.
...
[/QUOTE]The Pro,

Who is the competition you are talking about?

What resort-style hotel with huge swimming pool, Thai restaurant, Steak House and Sports Lounge / Hostess bar is located in the Sukhumvit area close to the Sky Train in the center of one of Bangkok's nightlife areas?

And ... all-day breakfast ... internet included in the room rates ... SE Asia Joes plastic chairs :D ... Jacuzzis ... Double-Jacuzzis ... and [size=+2][b]me[/b][/size], sitting all day outside at my desk consulting and helping the inexperienced :) ... where do you get this service bundle AT ALL here in Bangkok?

[QUOTE=The Pro]...
You know why you have your crew of "patrons" posting on BB forums trying to get you business.

You, as does Annie, actively promote the posting and "marketing" of LL through internet forums, attempting to get as many references as possible to get first timers and others into your establishment.
...
[/QUOTE]What is a BB forum? Bed & Breakfast?

Now, I cannot speak for Annies, but I am promoting the place here in the ISG, since years now, and everybody knows it. So - why is that a problem for you?

[QUOTE=The Pro]...
THIS IS NOT in the interests of mongers.
...
[/QUOTE]Oh, I am not so sure about that. I think that many people are quite happy to come to a place like [b]Livingstone's Lodge[/b] to meet other ISG members and get fast and precise information about the actual scene here in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=The Pro]...
BB's free of paid for references is good. Do you offer discounts to BB posters ? Do you give away free drinks or food to your friends who post on here ? Just like Aey at Annies gives discounts to posters and free drinks to those who help her maintain her image on the forums.
...
[/QUOTE]No, I do not! The reports guys write here in this forum to get our discound do not necessarily need to contain anything about [b]Livingstone's Lodge[/b]. They do not need to write in my forum, they can even criticise [b]Livingstone's Lodge[/b] if something went wrong - and they STILL get the ISG discount. This discount shall support the ISG, develop writing members and add interesting reports. That's basically the target of it.

[QUOTE=The Pro]...
People need to be aware that ... LL have lots of poster who support them, who also obtain benefits from those establishments or have personal friends there.
...
This means biased reporting...
...
I would not tell anyone not to try these places, but I would say be very wary of beleiving the hype of the "paid for in kind" references you will see around the BB's.
...
[/QUOTE]You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

Thanks again for giving me the opportunity to do some marketing for [b]Livingstone's Lodge[/b] :). Please, go ahead!!!


Giotto
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL]

A lot of touristy stuff for me lately, in Chiangmai and Mae Hong Son.

But still had time for just a little mongering in BKK. Each time was late on Saturday night which is a very bad time to go to an MP (usually). So ended up at Soi Cowboy.

Previous Sat, went to Shark and was very busy. Plenty of girls (girl badge numbers go up to 100) and full of customers. Chose a very pretty girl P, perhaps number 8, who kissed evry nicely despite teeth braces. Took her for short time, and she was very good in all respects, except one.

Although no baby, her pussy seemed to be amoungst the most cavenous I have experienced, and so felt like was flopping around in there a bit. Now how do you screen girls for this during the selection process? .

Probably should have asked for anal instead, but had a good time anyway as was sex starved (for all of 3 days) beforehand. Probably wouldn't repeat though. Shark had a few onther pretty ones.

This Sat went to Soi Cowboy again and was with two other ISGers who by chance decided to go at the same time. Mr D found his girl outside Baccara, so we went in and soon his girl called two others over. One asked my name. When I asked her name, she obviously misheard as she replied "Tequilla". Someone else said Hello, to a different girl and she replied "4000 long time".

It was clearly time to eject the unwanted girls with no chemistry and make a careful selection. Mr P asked what was my selection criteria. I said that I looked for a pretty face first, good slim body second, preferably no silicone. But when I actually did the process. I discovered I use other criteria. I spyed the back of the very last girl on the podium wearing black see through stuff (quite revealing) but she was obscured by other girls. I could see her body was good and hair and head shape good. The main thing was that she was a standout as the dancer with the most sexy moves without being too nasty. I had to leave my seat and circumnavigate the podium to get a better look at her. Although number 95 with the head band had a prettier face, my selected girl was nice looking, good body and not seeming to put on any fake show for me. I indicated to come and sit with me.

Some guys will say that you must select a girl that makes a lot of eye-contact with you, smiles at you, plays up to you etc. But I like a girl that is very natural. Its normal that girls will look at themselves or other girls in the mirrors, rather than spending time staring at the often ugly customers. It makes sense that the girls will look bored at times. It makes sense that her vigourous dancing will be limited as the bar is a bit too hot. Air con limited.

Its normal for new girls not to be playing up to customers all the time.

After the dance bracket she showed up and turned out to be miss Wi who could speak English well and Japanese a bit too. She was an ex Angel Witch girl but had mamasan problems there. The bar opens some days till 3 or 4 AM if no Police around.

My girl was nice enough to indicate after her next dance bracket that another Farang, having seen my interest in the girl, tried to BF her, but she declined saying she a customer already to give me the chance. Many girls will not do this for fear of losing.

I quickly got her BFed as I could see the personality was nice and not faked.

She went with me with no discussion of money at all.

In the room, I helped her put Moisturising lotion on her body and turned it into a sexy massage, after she relaxed with a beer and cigarette (showered before that). I found some little tricks to get her moaning and hot for it.

Her BBBJ was heavenly (not sure if tongue stud assisted).

9 out of 10 for that and scores 8 for normal kissing.

Then she climbed on and rode me in different ways for some time, me in underneath submissive position. Eventually we tried mish and doggy too.

After we were spent, she asked if I wanted to shower again. I said yes, of course, but lets rest for 5 mins. Within 5 mins she was asleep as I went to shower.

Stayed till 11AM, when I started to feel sick, but fortuantrely had managed to get in a morning round before that. Finally gave her some well earned cash and she was satisfied. Suggested I should go to she her sexy show at about 9:30PM tonight.

Definitely a girl to repeat with. Very GFE.

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[QUOTE=Titanio]Well on two issues "The Pro" is right:

LL has very overpriced rooms as same quality rooms and service can be get for half that price nowadays. And barfines are steep just because Der Hermann, oeps, Giotto likes to keep up with other venues in Soi 33.

The other point I agree on is that tipping in Thailand is not nessecary at all. Why should I tip a girl when we agreed on a price? For the agreed price I may expect top quality. Same as you may expect when you buy a car! And why should I tip at a bar? For filling up my glass or opening my bottle? Same as with taxi drivers. At those I only round off to the nearest 5 baht when I do not have any change at me. Tipping is such an American thing. Please keep it in the US, and don't spoil the rest of the world with it.[/QUOTE]
Really?
Have you ever travelled anywhere? In Italy, France for example? In Africa, India?

The only country I know where tipping is truly unexpected is Japan...
Please stop this stupid anti-american rant.. (BTW, i am not American...)

[QUOTE=The Pro]It means doing it all the time, everyday if possible, wherever you are. Its not a two weeks a year hobby, or something you do from time to time, it is something you do all the time where possible. If your not doing 200 P4P annually year in year out then try harder :)[/QUOTE]Seriously, do you think this is healthy? Do you have psychological issues? I genuinely don't wish to be rude, but do you think it is a very meaningful or productive existence you lead?

For most people here, myself included, mongering is a very enjoyable hobby not a way of life. I just think there needs to be a balance between the pleasures of the flesh and of the mind. Apologies if you are a normal well-rounded human being, with other interests and a good social life, but I do wonder...

[QUOTE=The Pro]Giotto,
Do you give away free drinks or food to your friends who post on here ?
[/QUOTE]
Fuck no !!!
I wish ;)
I have paid for every solitary drink I have ever consumed at LL. (and there have been a few). There are no free drinks, no free lunch, no free anything.

I had lunch outside the other day with G, served by mrs G who runs a delicious food stand outside the hotel.

She hit me up for my 30 bt, AND the lunch G had too. He thought it was very funny, as had he eaten there alone, she would not have asked him for money.

BESTARD ;)
[QUOTE=Titanio]And barfines are steep just because Der Hermann, oeps, Giotto likes to keep up with other venues in Soi 33.
[/QUOTE]
Titanio, that was VERY uncool.
no matter how many people have met Giotto, and who know him personally, we do not use people's names here.

Of course, you could give us YOUR real name, and address.............

[QUOTE=The Pro]Giotto,

Did I say it was not a nice enviroment ? It is homely yes, but sady overpriced compared to the competition in all aspects…

THIS IS NOT in the interests of mongers…[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Giotto]The Pro,

Who is the competition you are talking about? …

…You obviously don't know what you are talking about…Giotto…[/QUOTE]

Thanks, guys, for showing us that we can still enjoy a good clean entertaining fight on the forum from time to time.

This is what the Fight Club used to be.

Mouse, its very healthy, and in fact I feel sad for the people who cannot have the basic freedom and lifestyle to do this.

You live and you die. Thats the sum of it.

What you do in between those two events is all you have.

Enjoying the pleasures of the flesh is the ultimate pleasure, there is no greater pleasure.

The most miserable people are often portrayed as the most "successful ones".

If you know of something that is more pleasurable than sex, please let me know what it is, as in life everything leads to sex.

People crave money so they can enjoy life by being able to do whatever they want. People crave fame as they want the power that comes with it. But it all boils down to sex at the end.

Bill Gates may have lots of money, but he will die having probably only slept with maybe 10 girls.

I will die having fcuked over 2500 (I hope, I am over 2000 now).

He will be sick and feeble and maybe wishing he had done more with his life.

I will be sick and feeble with a big grin on my face thinking of all those fabulous times :)

[QUOTE=Mouse1]Seriously, do you think this is healthy? Do you have psychological issues? I genuinely don't wish to be rude, but do you think it is a very meaningful or productive existence you lead?

For most people here, myself included, mongering is a very enjoyable hobby not a way of life. I just think there needs to be a balance between the pleasures of the flesh and of the mind. Apologies if you are a normal well-rounded human being, with other interests and a good social life, but I do wonder...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Daddy07]...
This is what the Fight Club used to be.[/QUOTE]Daddy07,

Nah - that's called "Marketing" :) .


Giotto

PS: The Pro, get over here for your free Tom Yum Kung, you have really earned it!

[QUOTE=The Pro]
Bill Gates may have lots of money, but he will die having probably only slept with maybe 10 girls.

He will be sick and feeble and maybe wishing he had done more with his life.
[/QUOTE]
You are absolutely right. He will ABSOLUTELY wish he had done more with his life.
After all, he only created one of the biggest software conglomerates in the world, and now spends his time helping other people. I can see why he would feel like he hadn't accomplished anything, whereas you, on the other hand, will have fucked 2500 girls you had to pay. WOW.

[QUOTE=The Pro]Mouse, its very healthy, and in fact I feel sad for the people who cannot have the basic freedom and lifestyle to do this.

You live and you die. Thats the sum of it.

What you do in between those two events is all you have.

Enjoying the pleasures of the flesh is the ultimate pleasure, there is no greater pleasure.

The most miserable people are often portrayed as the most "successful ones".

If you know of something that is more pleasurable than sex, please let me know what it is, as in life everything leads to sex.[/QUOTE]Well, I agree nothing matches the intensity of sex for those few minutes...

But, if I was offered a week of skiing, a week of diving, a week of holidaying with my family and a week in Pattaya, or 4 weeks in Pattaya, I know which I would pick. OK, so I'll never get that choice :-). But seriously, when you are on your deathbed, how many of those 2500 sexual encounters will you actually recall? Or would you rather be looking back on a life full of rich and varied experiences?

Just read an article somewhere saying 'if you do one extraordinary thing every year' for 20 years you will die a happy man. I can relate to that...
Anyway, all I am saying is that I think one needs a bit of variety in life to appreciate some of those earthly pleasures. perhaps you manage that variety, I don't know.

Reminds me of the joke: 3 men saying how often they have sex - first says once a day with a bored look, second says once a month with a smile, the third says once a year with a huge grin. Why? "Tonight's the night!".

[QUOTE=Mouse1] Reminds me of the joke: 3 men saying how often they have sex - first says once a day with a bored look, second says once a month with a smile, the third says once a year with a huge grin. Why? "Tonight's the night!".[/QUOTE]Reminds me of the 80 year old western guy I met in Bangkok last week. He has lived there 5 years, but was sitting on a street bench crying. When I asked him what was wrong, he said he married a hot 20 year old girl a month ago - she cooks and looks after him, and gives great massages and great sex every night. I said, "Well why are you crying? You should be happy!" He replied "I forget where I live".

[QUOTE=1Ball]whereas you, on the other hand, will have fucked 2500 girls you had to pay. WOW.[/QUOTE]
That's money well spent!

[QUOTE=Chris7894]Hello

What is the usual cost for 1 week / 1 month booking of Bargirls?

(huge barfine + full time pay for the girl ?)

Basically i'm looking to rent a house (like from [url]http://www.soho-properties.com[/url])
Get 2-3 girls, have ourselves tested and spend 3 to 7 weeks of "creampiethais".
Kinda like [url]http://xhamster.com/movies/120796/thai_sexsion_2_n15.html[/url]

Does it seem "doable" or would "too risky (HIV) and too hard to pull off"?[/QUOTE]
Technically it is doable, I think, but would you like to stick to the same 2-3 girls for a period of 3 to 7 weeks?
IMHO it might get boring.
I second a certain degree of continuity as it adds mutual knowledge
But in a place like BKK where choices and opportunities pop up every five minutes, I would be reluctant to stick to the same girls for so long. Even if they are fun
If you RTFF you will notice some guys select a girl and bar fine her for the evening and then, maybe after 30 minutes they see another they rate better and "regret" the early booking...
My few cents...

[QUOTE=Mouse1]Well, I agree nothing matches the intensity of sex for those few minutes...But seriously, when you are on your deathbed, how many of those 2500 sexual encounters will you actually recall?[/QUOTE]
Like Richard Pryor said, the only ones that really matter are your first and your last.

[QUOTE=Giotto]The Pro,

What is a BB forum? Bed & Breakfast?

Giotto
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL][/QUOTE]

Could it be a BareBack forum?
LOL

[QUOTE=1Ball]You are absolutely right. He will ABSOLUTELY wish he had done more with his life.

After all, he only created one of the biggest software conglomerates in the world, and now spends his time helping other people. I can see why he would feel like he hadn't accomplished anything, whereas you, on the other hand, will have fucked 2500 girls you had to pay. WOW.[/QUOTE]I basically agree with you. Giving people stuff is a tough high to beat, especially when you are talking high digits, yeah, it might even be better than sex. It's a rush. True.

But on the other hand, yours is not a good analogy, Billy Boy bobbed the kernel for the 8-bit Altair 8800 when in the summer of 1974 he went to the Homebrew Computer Club in Menlo Park, CA, asked a lot of questions, made a lot of promises, then never came back. I know, I built the $450 Altair kit along with two other guys in August 1975, (after waiting 6 months for it to arrive) using an old HeathKit crystal radio body for the case. Bill, the con artist, lied straight-up to MITS (the makers of the Altair kits, ) and it was widely known then that he and Paul Allen actually did not generate the original version of BASIC at all, not even remotely, the code was in fact written by John Kemeny in 1964. This was far beyond any "creative bullshitting", it was corporate level thievery, and both Billy and Paulie should have been immediately indicted for prioritized grand larceny and copyright infringement. Billy stole the idea, made a buggy copy, sold it to MITS, he then took the MITS money and bought SPC-DOS, that's how he got the thing going, it then became MS-DOS, but was still totally based on other people's original works which were NOT open source. Can anyone say the words "Bill Gates is a RIP-OFF" ten times real fast?

So, as far as getting laid, some people think that Billy Boy Gates should be the one getting fucked, in fact he should be getting fucked a lot, in Leavenworth, on a daily basis. So, yeah, he should give all of his money away, he didn't deserve it in the first place.

But, again, I totally agree with your premise, there is a lot more to life than sex. And, yeah, sorry 1 Ball, you did touch a nasty nerve there, so of course I just had to say something. Dumbshit that I am. Don't get me wrong, I am not jealous of Bill the Bullshitter, I have my own thing and it's good, I just think Gates is a turdbucket pre-law fuckup that did some badass lying & stealing and got away with it. And, now, he should fess up and pay it all back. (Like that's gonna happen, heh.)

[QUOTE=1Ball]...I had lunch outside the other day with G, served by mrs G who runs a delicious food stand outside the hotel.

She hit me up for my 30 bt, AND the lunch G had too. He thought it was very funny, as had he eaten there alone, she would not have asked him for money.

............[/QUOTE]
Be happy you did not have to BF and...leave a tip!:))

[QUOTE=1Ball]You are absolutely right. He will ABSOLUTELY wish he had done more with his life.
After all, he only created one of the biggest software conglomerates in the world, and now spends his time helping other people. I can see why he would feel like he hadn't accomplished anything, whereas you, on the other hand, will have fucked 2500 girls you had to pay. WOW.[/QUOTE]

You are right
If Bill Gates had been busy in the mongering profession, we could not enjoy the unique opportunity of leraning so many lifesaving things such as the professional mongering of someone else. No Windows, no forum...:)

[QUOTE=Myx Tical]Some guys will say that you must select a girl that makes a lot of eye-contact with you, smiles at you, plays up to you etc. But I like a girl that is very natural. Its normal that girls will look at themselves or other girls in the mirrors, rather than spending time staring at the often ugly customers. It makes sense that the girls will look bored at times. It makes sense that her vigourous dancing will be limited as the bar is a bit too hot. Air con limited.[/QUOTE]

First, great report!

I guess that for me the issue of eye contact is just eye-contact and not some sort of fake smiles and whatnot. If eye-contact is made then it could lead to a smile and a beckon. If the girl is just looking at herself in the mirror I tend to see her as being self-absorbed. Obviously this wasn't the case in this instance but she also was looking in your direction now and then and I saw at least one toothy grin.

When you say that you weren't sure whether the quality of the BBBJ had to do with a tongue stud, do you mean you aren't sure she had one or that you aren't sure how much it enhanced the experience?

But you are taking on a simplistic view of life. You can have a weeks skiing and still go mongering. You can shoot off to Africa and get a Safari in, and still go mongering. You can go off for a months holiday in the Pacific, and still go mongering.

I have done all that, I have been to see most of the "wonders of the world" and although its interesting to see them they do not do anything for you.

Ultimately it all boils down to sex. Men who are fcuking lots of girls are not very often miserable people.

Men unable to fcuk lots of girls and stuck in standard relationships are often extremely miserable but attempt to portray themselves as happy and loving life, simply because thats all they have.

[QUOTE=Mouse1]Well, I agree nothing matches the intensity of sex for those few minutes...

But, if I was offered a week of skiing, a week of diving, a week of holidaying with my family and a week in Pattaya, or 4 weeks in Pattaya, I know which I would pick. OK, so I'll never get that choice :-). But seriously, when you are on your deathbed, how many of those 2500 sexual encounters will you actually recall? Or would you rather be looking back on a life full of rich and varied experiences?

Just read an article somewhere saying 'if you do one extraordinary thing every year' for 20 years you will die a happy man. I can relate to that...
Anyway, all I am saying is that I think one needs a bit of variety in life to appreciate some of those earthly pleasures. perhaps you manage that variety, I don't know.

Reminds me of the joke: 3 men saying how often they have sex - first says once a day with a bored look, second says once a month with a smile, the third says once a year with a huge grin. Why? "Tonight's the night!".[/QUOTE]

Can anyone recommend some high end places in Bangkok. I have a habit of visiting one in a City I may be mongering in just to see how the other half lives.

Thanks you.

[QUOTE=Henryv]Can anyone recommend some high end places in Bangkok. I have a habit of visiting one in a City I may be mongering in just to see how the other half lives.

Thanks you.[/QUOTE]Soprano House is very expensive and has a some pretty girls. Expect to pay a lot for drinks and fun. Here's a video I found on youtube
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFrIMylUxSE[/url]
[url]www.thesopranohouse.com[/url]

Another one is The Resort on Rachada soi 13. Pretty girls that just sit and drink with you. Expensive. I was told that this is the place the Massage king, Chumvit(sp?) brings his crew when they want to party.

There's also Pregaus located near soi cowboy. Just as expensive, but there's a take out selection. :)~

There's other places in Thong Lor that caters to the rich Japanese that you can check out,too. ( mostly rip offs in my opinion)

My experience is that it takes work, and a load of cash to get some of these girls because places like the Resort have a strict policy that prohibits the girls from "going" with customers, but I know it happens. Also keep in mind that these places have a lot of regular rich Thai customers, so do expect them to roll out the red carpet for you like a go-go bar would.

Girls drinks are in excess of 250B and that is for about 15-20min of time. They do ask you if you want "to buy" a lady drink. The moment you motion for a girl to come sit with you you are paying for drinks. You can easily send 5000B here without blinking an eye and that excludes any 1 on 1 with the girl.

What are the girls like you might ask? The tend to me a little older, some with degree or getting one. More Bangkok girls, and they girls can drink! They look more "hi-so" just because they are dress for the occasion. But at the end of the day, they are after your $$$.

I would recommend going to Tarawatdee (see Mick's map) [url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&z=12[/url]

Here you will find the same type of look as the places I mentioned. The difference is at Tarawatdee they the policy is to spread there legs. :)~ This place is the high end Thai soapie.

Happy hunting

Disclaimer: The map link is not something I made. I found it on a previous post.

[QUOTE=Henryv]Can anyone recommend some high end places in Bangkok. I have a habit of visiting one in a City I may be mongering in just to see how the other half lives.

Thanks you.[/QUOTE]

High-end what? Restaurant? Hotel? Car dealership?

[QUOTE=Henryv]Can anyone recommend some high end places in Bangkok. I have a habit of visiting one in a City I may be mongering in just to see how the other half lives.

Thanks you.[/QUOTE]

Baiyoke Tower Hotel maybe, highest hotel in the Kingdom ;)

[url]http://www.baiyokehotel.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=The Pro]Mouse, its very healthy, and in fact I feel sad for the people who cannot have the basic freedom and lifestyle to do this.

You live and you die. Thats the sum of it.


What you do in between those two events is all you have.

Enjoying the pleasures of the flesh is the ultimate pleasure, there is no greater pleasure.

The most miserable people are often portrayed as the most "successful ones".

If you know of something that is more pleasurable than sex, please let me know what it is, as in life everything leads to sex.

People crave money so they can enjoy life by being able to do whatever they want. People crave fame as they want the power that comes with it. But it all boils down to sex at the end.

Bill Gates may have lots of money, but he will die having probably only slept with maybe 10 girls.

I will die having fcuked over 2500 (I hope, I am over 2000 now).

He will be sick and feeble and maybe wishing he had done more with his life.

I will be sick and feeble with a big grin on my face thinking of all those fabulous times :)[/QUOTE]

What makes you think that we, occasionnal mongers, don't F..... as much as you? We just have regular wife/GFs, even sometimes mistresses,....that we don't pay. In addition we like mongering when the opportunity arises.
In addition, if I can agree somehow that sex and flesh are an important pleasure in life, achieving something, like Mr Gates did, and also simple family life pleasures, ( I have lovely children and grand children) are also important... But you are the PRO, so you know. You are the guy who knows it all about life. Only sex matters to you. Well it does, but again, other things do to to others...I am only an amateur, and mongering is my HOBBY.. See the difference?
When you will be bed ridden with cancer pain, you will be left alone dying in an hospital. I will be surrounded by family and friends, and, believe it or not, by a loving wife of 40+ years who will be nice enough to provide me the ultimate pleasure, my last HJ before I go....

Anyway, as I said before, I am not judging you, do as you wish and be happy. Can't understand why you need to lecture everyone who thinks, does differently from you....You must in fact be very unsecure...

[QUOTE=The Pro]But you are taking on a simplistic view of life.[/QUOTE]No I'm not. You can't get more simplistic that rating your life's achievements on the number of paid-for shags you've had.[QUOTE=The Pro]You can have a weeks skiing and still go mongering. You can shoot off to Africa and get a Safari in, and still go mongering. You can go off for a months holiday in the Pacific, and still go mongering.[/QUOTE]That was my point. But making mongering the be-all and end-all of life seems pretty sad. Even Casanova managed to write a great book. What have you done?
[QUOTE=The Pro]I have done all that, I have been to see most of the "wonders of the world" and although its interesting to see them they do not do anything for you.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Pyramids, Grand Canyon, Serengeti, Ankor Wat, Taj Mahal, Chartres Cathedral... They're OK, but they won't give you a hand-job, eh? Makes you wonder why those boring gits built them, when they could have been off having a wank!
[QUOTE=The Pro]Ultimately it all boils down to sex. Men who are fcuking lots of girls are not very often miserable people.
Men unable to fuck lots of girls and stuck in standard relationships are often extremely miserable but attempt to portray themselves as happy and loving life, simply because thats all they have.[/QUOTE]Who knows? I certainly don't. But I suspect a well-rounded life, with good sex and a loving family may be the best of both worlds.

Incidentally, although I have the opportunity to 'fuck lots of girls', I don't. Each trip to Thailand I always have a few days on the razz, and a few days with my long-time gf. Probably makes me a miserable person in your eyes, but I kind of enjoy it...

Anyway, time to kill this topic. I wouldn't have bothered to respond but I don't like being told I'm being simplistic.

My word.

How do you know I will get cancer? I might get run over by a bus tomorrow, or in a plane crash, or I might just die of a heart attack while fcuking an 18 year old hottie at 70, or. Well, who knows.

I am not lecturing anyone, people attempt to portray someone who really enjoys mongering and doing it as often as possible as "wrong".

Most dream of being able to do that, many will not admit to dreaming it.

Being happy is the main thing, but I think it all started when someone accused me of being "sad" for doing so much fcuking of so many girls.

That green eyed monster getting in to some people perhaps started it?

LOL

[QUOTE=Dreams]When you will be bed ridden with cancer pain, you will be left alone dying in an hospital. I will be surrounded by family and friends, and, believe it or not, by a loving wife of 40+ years who will be nice enough to provide me the ultimate pleasure, my last HJ before I go....

Anyway, as I said before, I am not judging you, do as you wish and be happy. Can't understand why you need to lecture everyone who thinks, does differently from you....You must in fact be very unsecure...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=The Pro]But you are taking on a simplistic view of life. You can have a weeks skiing and still go mongering. You can shoot off to Africa and get a Safari in, and still go mongering. You can go off for a months holiday in the Pacific, and still go mongering.

I have done all that, I have been to see most of the "wonders of the world" and although its interesting to see them they do not do anything for you.

Ultimately it all boils down to sex. Men who are fcuking lots of girls are not very often miserable people.

Men unable to fcuk lots of girls and stuck in standard relationships are often extremely miserable but attempt to portray themselves as happy and loving life, simply because thats all they have.[/QUOTE]The Pro!

You stir up a hornet's nest every time you post. You seem to carry a lot of anger towards Giotto, Annies and a number of happy hunters (Mongers/*****s sounds crude amongst gentlemen). I'm new to all this, but have seen life. I have been reading the posts for a couple of months too. I read the posts and manage to gauge, to an extent, the nature and personality of the author. Further, what others think of the author; the goodwill, respect, bonding, friendship that is involved amongst a number of them.

I have not met them, nor stayed at LL. I have had my Scotch at Annie's (she mixes strong ones! ) and paid for it, too. Giotto, Nic Frenchy, Mouse 1, 1 Ball, Piper, Big, Dreams seem like good people! Further, I don't think they have anything personal against you. And none of them is canvassing, advertising, or soliciting people in ways you claim. They don't need to! They have enough money and comforts. Do you think Nic Frenchy or Big will succumb to a free beer? Have a heart, dammit. These guys have been helpful to others, offered info and guidance to those taking their first step into this phase of life. I think for some reason you are being vindictive; the reason you would know perhaps! I don't think you have met them; hence stealing your girl, spoiling your chances, bad mouthing aren't involved.

When you write derogatory, insinuating, malicious posts against guys who are appreciated by many, you are receiving bad vibes, reports, and bad karma.

We grant you that you could best any of these gentlemen in your sexual abilities: 200 days of womanizing, plus some days of freebies added is no mean achievement! We grant you that (BTW, I am presuming you are telling the truth and not spilling yarns! ) BUT, you, Pro, are absolutely incompetent in interacting with people in a friendly and respectful manner. You missed out somewhere – can't you read the angry, derisive, and often dismissive replies that come your way. No one is bothered about how many you screw, or how many baths you saved by haggling. The majority of guys would love to have an enchanting evening or night, a few hundred bahts is not going to faze them.

Generally, people who are fixated about this aspect of life, and continue to extol their conquests, become paranoid or suspicious about others intentions, neglect interpersonal relationships, are either depressed, schizophrenic or have a bipolar disorder: I'm not saying that you have any of these!

There are many other things in life that gives us pleasure equal and longer lasting than sex. Appreciate the good things in life, and help others.

You would do better if you made peace with all, and posted something that could benefit others. (ABIGWHTMAN is going to be upset me for interfering! ) With your experience you could start a School for pleasure seekers!

Hope to read something better in your posts, besides telling me to F. Off

Thank you.

Exactly what I was looking for.

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]Soprano House is very expensive and has a some pretty girls. Expect to pay a lot for drinks and fun. Here's a video I found on youtube
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFrIMylUxSE[/url]
[url]www.thesopranohouse.com[/url]

Another one is The Resort on Rachada soi 13. Pretty girls that just sit and drink with you. Expensive. I was told that this is the place the Massage king, Chumvit(sp?) brings his crew when they want to party.

There's also Pregaus located near soi cowboy. Just as expensive, but there's a take out selection. :)~

There's other places in Thong Lor that caters to the rich Japanese that you can check out,too. ( mostly rip offs in my opinion)

My experience is that it takes work, and a load of cash to get some of these girls because places like the Resort have a strict policy that prohibits the girls from "going" with customers, but I know it happens. Also keep in mind that these places have a lot of regular rich Thai customers, so do expect them to roll out the red carpet for you like a go-go bar would.

Girls drinks are in excess of 250B and that is for about 15-20min of time. They do ask you if you want "to buy" a lady drink. The moment you motion for a girl to come sit with you you are paying for drinks. You can easily send 5000B here without blinking an eye and that excludes any 1 on 1 with the girl.

What are the girls like you might ask? The tend to me a little older, some with degree or getting one. More Bangkok girls, and they girls can drink! They look more "hi-so" just because they are dress for the occasion. But at the end of the day, they are after your $$$.

I would recommend going to Tarawatdee (see Mick's map) [url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&z=12[/url]

Here you will find the same type of look as the places I mentioned. The difference is at Tarawatdee they the policy is to spread there legs. :)~ This place is the high end Thai soapie.

Happy hunting

Disclaimer: The map link is not something I made. I found it on a previous post.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, forgot, ever hear of Poseidod?

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]Soprano House is very expensive and has a some pretty girls. Expect to pay a lot for drinks and fun. Here's a video I found on youtube
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFrIMylUxSE[/url]
[url]www.thesopranohouse.com[/url]

Another one is The Resort on Rachada soi 13. Pretty girls that just sit and drink with you. Expensive. I was told that this is the place the Massage king, Chumvit(sp?) brings his crew when they want to party.

There's also Pregaus located near soi cowboy. Just as expensive, but there's a take out selection. :)~

There's other places in Thong Lor that caters to the rich Japanese that you can check out,too. ( mostly rip offs in my opinion)

My experience is that it takes work, and a load of cash to get some of these girls because places like the Resort have a strict policy that prohibits the girls from "going" with customers, but I know it happens. Also keep in mind that these places have a lot of regular rich Thai customers, so do expect them to roll out the red carpet for you like a go-go bar would.

Girls drinks are in excess of 250B and that is for about 15-20min of time. They do ask you if you want "to buy" a lady drink. The moment you motion for a girl to come sit with you you are paying for drinks. You can easily send 5000B here without blinking an eye and that excludes any 1 on 1 with the girl.

What are the girls like you might ask? The tend to me a little older, some with degree or getting one. More Bangkok girls, and they girls can drink! They look more "hi-so" just because they are dress for the occasion. But at the end of the day, they are after your $$$.

I would recommend going to Tarawatdee (see Mick's map) [url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&z=12[/url]

Here you will find the same type of look as the places I mentioned. The difference is at Tarawatdee they the policy is to spread there legs. :)~ This place is the high end Thai soapie.

Happy hunting

Disclaimer: The map link is not something I made. I found it on a previous post.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pita123]First, great report!

I guess that for me the issue of eye contact is just eye-contact and not some sort of fake smiles and whatnot. If eye-contact is made then it could lead to a smile and a beckon. If the girl is just looking at herself in the mirror I tend to see her as being self-absorbed. Obviously this wasn't the case in this instance but she also was looking in your direction now and then and I saw at least one toothy grin.

When you say that you weren't sure whether the quality of the BBBJ had to do with a tongue stud, do you mean you aren't sure she had one or that you aren't sure how much it enhanced the experience?[/QUOTE]Girls looking in the mirror does not mean self absorbed. Great dancers need to check out how they look in the mirror to improve their style. Also helps with balance when trying exotic moves.

Clearly, i wasn't sure if a tongue stud helped make the BBBJ any better than normal. I was certainly sure she had one with French kissing.

[QUOTE=Henryv]Sorry, forgot, ever hear of Poseidod?[/QUOTE]
Poseidon is on same Map :)

Suntangh R.

You could get a job with a PR firm or a Spin Merchant.

Its not very clever to totally misrepresent someone by claiming they have done so many things and telling them not to.

Whilst we all appreciate the motives behind it (attempting to smear someones name by accusing them whether directly or not of many things) its really not a clever thing to do.

These forums are here for the help of people to monger.

They are not best served by those who attempt to sell or market their products and services, or those who accept "in kind" from their proprietors for name dropping all the time.

There are two establishments who utilise the method of "in kind" payment, or getting friends to post and name drop as much as possible, and this is LL and Annies.

Both of which are overpriced compared to other places, and both of which rely heavily on lazy first time USA visitors by making up a "fantasy" of appearing to be safe and good and helpful to first time visitors, more so than anywhere else, the ultimate safe place for first timers.

Now whilst its a good marketing trick to do this, its also in the interest of first time to Thailand mongers to tell them not to beleive the hype. These places whilst ok are not wonderful and for what you get they are not cheap, there is better value.

This is an opinion, mine and many others.

Now if you do not agree with it, then ignore it.

However as can be seen by reading the thread many people move onto personal comments and making up malicious posts and claims of things I have said. This is their only line of defence.

But why are they so "worried" about defending places which they claim they are nothing to do with.

There in lies the crux.

Keep all talk of Annies on the Annies thread, and all talk and namedropping of LL over at the LL thread and I am sure people like me would not feel the need to remind people that some people on here are posting to "market" some establishments.

[QUOTE=Suntangh R]The Pro!

You stir up a hornet's nest every time you post. You seem to carry a lot of anger towards Giotto, Annies and a number of happy hunters (Mongers/*****s sounds crude amongst gentlemen). I'm new to all this, but have seen life. I have been reading the posts for a couple of months too. I read the posts and manage to gauge, to an extent, the nature and personality of the author. Further, what others think of the author; the goodwill, respect, bonding, friendship that is involved amongst a number of them.

I have not met them, nor stayed at LL. I have had my Scotch at Annie's (she mixes strong ones! ) and paid for it, too. Giotto, Nic Frenchy, Mouse 1, 1 Ball, Piper, Big, Dreams seem like good people! Further, I don't think they have anything personal against you. And none of them is canvassing, advertising, or soliciting people in ways you claim. They don't need to! They have enough money and comforts. Do you think Nic Frenchy or Big will succumb to a free beer? Have a heart, dammit. These guys have been helpful to others, offered info and guidance to those taking their first step into this phase of life. I think for some reason you are being vindictive; the reason you would know perhaps! I don't think you have met them; hence stealing your girl, spoiling your chances, bad mouthing aren't involved.

When you write derogatory, insinuating, malicious posts against guys who are appreciated by many, you are receiving bad vibes, reports, and bad karma.

We grant you that you could best any of these gentlemen in your sexual abilities: 200 days of womanizing, plus some days of freebies added is no mean achievement! We grant you that (BTW, I am presuming you are telling the truth and not spilling yarns! ) BUT, you, Pro, are absolutely incompetent in interacting with people in a friendly and respectful manner. You missed out somewhere – can't you read the angry, derisive, and often dismissive replies that come your way. No one is bothered about how many you screw, or how many baths you saved by haggling. The majority of guys would love to have an enchanting evening or night, a few hundred bahts is not going to faze them.

Generally, people who are fixated about this aspect of life, and continue to extol their conquests, become paranoid or suspicious about others intentions, neglect interpersonal relationships, are either depressed, schizophrenic or have a bipolar disorder: I'm not saying that you have any of these!

There are many other things in life that gives us pleasure equal and longer lasting than sex. Appreciate the good things in life, and help others.

You would do better if you made peace with all, and posted something that could benefit others. (ABIGWHTMAN is going to be upset me for interfering! ) With your experience you could start a School for pleasure seekers!

Hope to read something better in your posts, besides telling me to F. Off[/QUOTE]

Times are clearly tough at boutique hotels that specifically target farang sextourists at the moment

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]Soprano House is very expensive and has a some pretty girls. Expect to pay a lot for drinks and fun. Here's a video I found on youtube
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFrIMylUxSE[/url]
[url]www.thesopranohouse.com[/url][/QUOTE]AndyBKK,

The video on Soprano House is just amazing - I didn't know that they had renovated and included the "pool", is it the same Soprano on Soi 26? Thanks for the update.

You are absolutely right and I do concur with your observations fully on these places, as I went to Soprano 3-4 times in the past (before the renovation) and just felt I was blowing a bundle for nothing. I also agree that the "stocks" at Tarawaddy are much superior to other soapies - another point to note would be that they have a traditional massage section where no hanky-panky is allowed, BUT I was told that the sauna is shared between the sexes, not sure whether it's true and what they mean by that.

However, I would like to share a happy ending experience at Exotica (also in Thonglor) - after going a couple of times with Japanese clients (you're right again!), I thought it was another Soprano, only classier.

They have a selection of take-outs girls (similar to Pegasus) at Baht 6,000 per pop and they are older compared to the non-takeouts, and I would grade them about 6.0/10.

I did get lucky with a "no-takeout" girl who's about 23 years old, but she made me swear not to tell the mama-san or anybody else that she would come to my hotel after the establishment closes.

She does this regularly now whenever I'm in town, and I usually tip her Baht 3,000 for staying till morning. Problem is that they close at about 2.00am, and it's pretty late for me to raise a boner!

Best,

Panya

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Times are clearly tough at boutique hotels that specifically target farang sextourists at the moment[/QUOTE]Can you be a bit more explicit on this.

I am in the hotel business here in Thailand and my latest research (in france germany uk switzerland italy spain) why tourism is low is something like this.

Youth travel business. Only 6 years ago youngest under 25 could afford to travel on budget as they had somehow a job. Nowadays only one from five under 25 have a job.

The hight middel class was the main travelers to Thailand. Whats happen to them. A part that they fear to loose theier job its the pension system who is changing. Now you have to work till your are 67 (germany what to go for 69) therefore more to pay for your full pension.

HIGHT END Middel class SALARY euro 5000 per month. Nowadays what you have left after tax pension fund paid room rent and others from your 5000 is 2400 if you want a pension of euro 2400 you have to pay another euro 800 monthly to secure this pension amount

NORMAL MIDDEL CLASS salary around euro 3000 left nett 1600 aprox. And this will be your pension once you rich your 67. You want more pension pay more monthly.

That is one reason more why they travel less overseas. They go more to santo domingo. Kenya the US. Short trip to egypt etc. All those destination are much more cheaper then Thailand nowadays.

One large german touroperator told me that they do not more feature/sell hotel over euro 100 per room night.

I wonder from where all this new hotel with pool villa phuket samui find clients paying the 8000 to 13.000 per day.

My own opinion of course.

[QUOTE=Jeff46]

I am in the hotel business here in Thailand and my latest research (in france germany uk switzerland italy spain) why tourism is low is something like this.


The hight middel class was the main travelers to Thailand. Whats happen to them. [/QUOTE]
You're missing the fact that there's a worldwide economic recession in progress which is affecting most industries to include the Hotel industry. However, as with other cycles, the recession will eventually pivot into economic recovery which will result in an increase/return of the tourists your industry craves for survival.

[QUOTE=Centaurus]Isolated from what?[/QUOTE]

Not isolated that someone had BB sex at Tulip right away. I'll guarantee that there are a few of us who have BB sex there.

the pro,

i'm sorry i took a few days off to have round the clock sex. i hope to post soon as they are good reports. i am not sure how much you know about ll and i really don't want to get into a fight match over this nor do i want to stoop to a low level.

i don't stay at ll, rarely do i stay there. this is because i have corporate accounts with other hotels, compass hospitality and ascott group and also dusit. work books my stay. i have no reason to post about the hotel if it was not true. ll is a home away from home for many of us as we can walk in and see the same people. when you travel for a living it is nice to walk into a place that knows what you drink, eat, like and dislike. this is what we get at ll.

obviously i go to soi 33 and i do go to livingstones. but i got to many bars on soi 33 as well as cowboy and others.

never have i been given a discount or promo to post reports about on ll. never has giotto asked me to post on any site. in fact he has often scolded me and gets mo ho to me because i am nothing but a wh@re and take many ladies out of the bar and get them to stop work :d . and trust me, with as many girls as i have taken out of the bar long time and they stopped working i know more abut ll then probably any person on this board. i probably know more about the operations then many of the staff. this has caused me issues, knowing too much and getting into the middle of internal ll drama and issues. so trust me that giotto never has asked people to post positive reports. his discount is only for posting, positive or negative and it reminds me that all my posts the bestard never gave me a discount.

at annies today there is a sign and i'll post a picture of the sign, if we liked our service to post about it, i'm sure everyone that has been to annies has seen it. aey took care of me also, she made a special request booking. this is all called good business from where i am from and i do the same to customers who come to my work.

giotto, the most he has ever done for me is let me leave my luggage at the front desk for a few days while i went out of town. the rest he has done as a friend of mine and it is all outside of work, through good and bad times he has stayed by my side as a friend, just like 1ball, nicfrenchy, and many many many other guys on isg.

what helps the hotel is not giotto.. he is a total arse at times and we disagree on many items and we have fought over many issues. the staff there is what helps ll. i'm sorry if you don't see this or saw this when you went there, but to me i could care less if giotto was there or not, it is 100% the staff, the same waitresses and cooks and such. the girls come and go. but the hotel staff, shit i've known some of them longer then i've known most the girls that stay with me. i know their families and their problems in life.

you are allowed your opinion. people will either like soi 33 or they will not. people will either like ll or they will not. obviously you do not. such is your decision. it is not for everyone. but for many of us, it is a nice place to go. as i said, soi 33 and ll has a place in bkk just like eden and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and sol and beer garden.

cheers mate, let's have a drink sometime.

[QUOTE=The Pro]Suntangh R.

You could get a job with a PR firm or a Spin Merchant.

Its not very clever to totally misrepresent someone by claiming they have done so many things and telling them not to.

Whilst we all appreciate the motives behind it (attempting to smear someones name by accusing them whether directly or not of many things) its really not a clever thing to do.

These forums are here for the help of people to monger.

They are not best served by those who attempt to sell or market their products and services, or those who accept "in kind" from their proprietors for name dropping all the time.

There are two establishments who utilise the method of "in kind" payment, or getting friends to post and name drop as much as possible, and this is LL and Annies.

Both of which are overpriced compared to other places, and both of which rely heavily on lazy first time USA visitors by making up a "fantasy" of appearing to be safe and good and helpful to first time visitors, more so than anywhere else, the ultimate safe place for first timers.

Now whilst its a good marketing trick to do this, its also in the interest of first time to Thailand mongers to tell them not to beleive the hype. These places whilst ok are not wonderful and for what you get they are not cheap, there is better value.

This is an opinion, mine and many others.

Now if you do not agree with it, then ignore it.

However as can be seen by reading the thread many people move onto personal comments and making up malicious posts and claims of things I have said. This is their only line of defence.

But why are they so "worried" about defending places which they claim they are nothing to do with.

There in lies the crux.

Keep all talk of Annies on the Annies thread, and all talk and namedropping of LL over at the LL thread and I am sure people like me would not feel the need to remind people that some people on here are posting to "market" some establishments.[/QUOTE] The Pro!

I am not in the PR business, with my short fuse and good heart, it would be a misadventure.

Your grudge against Annies and LL is that they are overpriced. But then why do guys keep going back and back to them. In any enterprise you are going to have a small percentage that came back disappointed for various reasons; but the majority, and they are discerning folks mind you, return to these establishments. Your reasons are not convincing. A free beer, or a measly meal, is not going to make people sell their integrity. You can keep harping on this till the cows come back home, but I will not accept your reasons. Pro, there is a deeper grudge you bear! Its not helping you. It's eating your " innards" and that's not good for you. Even a doctor has failures, a lawyer loses cases, and so on.

Get rid of your bitterness. Wipe the Slate Clean- and start afresh! Go to LL and have a drink! Pay for it, Ok. It'll do everyone good!

I think with your experience, your posts should be INSTRUCTIVE, not DISRUPTIVE!

Tell us the1) best MPs, 2) the better girls, the ones who speak English etc, their aptitude, quirks etc 3) Which places to avoid for health reasons, 4) How to improve the performance, 5) shorten the refractory period etc., 6)MILF'S ETC

You have MUCH WORK to do!

But first, if you are a Solid Guy, spit out your anger; and start being Pleasant! Would like to see a Different The Pro!

[QUOTE=The Pro]
But why are they so "worried" about defending places which they claim they are nothing to do with.

.[/QUOTE]

By the way, why are you so bothered to criticize places that you claim you have nothing to do with.
Do not like them? Do not go there
High prices? avoid them
There is no scam with an advertised price of 1000Bh that become 3000 the minute you check out (because the add up the liters of air you breath, the times you switch on or off the TV, the times you fill the bathtub or take a shower.
Do you think people here is so idiot not to read the average prices for average places and see the super expensive rate of LL for what LL gives to the customers? And still go there?
All paid back by Giotto with freebies? what is the rational in this, can you please tell us?
Thanks that are people ready to spend money for quality.
I have been at the LL in april and have not any discount or coupon and shall come back there in october.

Do you think I am writing this to qualify for an alleged coupon?
Will a bonus 1000Bh get me somewhere ? Shall I open a bank account in Liechtenstein?
So what's the point? Am I an idiot overspending?
Can it be my f**** business how I spend MY money?

Is going to a 4 or 5 or 5L hotel making the general local prices escalating?
be happy there is people going to upscale locations.
So the low price ones are not overbooked and you can enjoy last minute deals at low price.
Otherwise you will see those 2 stars charging high price for the simple reason of market demand.

Feel free to post ALl the prices you want, ALL the deals you make, that is INFORMATION
But refrain from judging HOW people spends his own money for whatever purpose.
As you do not like to be judged for the excess of number of girls you lay, do not judge if someone lays a girl a week and only when he is on holiday.
That's his f*** business and freedom to do so.

tansak,

i hope you enjoyed your days off with round the clock action. thats what its all about.

yes, it would be great if people can express their opinions freely, if tulip posts are kept on the tulip threads, if annies posts are kept on the annies thread, if all references to ll are kept on the ll/giotto threads etc.

the seperate threads have been set up for a reason, so it would be nice if they were used, that way all those people who think that certain people are marketing their places would be proven wrong as all the chat about those places would be confined solely to the dedicated threads. now there is a thought.

[quote=tansak ktv]the pro,

i'm sorry i took a few days off to have round the clock sex. i hope to post soon as they are good reports. i am not sure how much you know about ll and i really don't want to get into a fight match over this nor do i want to stoop to a low level.

i don't stay at ll, rarely do i stay there. this is because i have corporate accounts with other hotels, compass hospitality and ascott group and also dusit. work books my stay. i have no reason to post about the hotel if it was not true. ll is a home away from home for many of us as we can walk in and see the same people. when you travel for a living it is nice to walk into a place that knows what you drink, eat, like and dislike. this is what we get at ll.

obviously i go to soi 33 and i do go to livingstones. but i got to many bars on soi 33 as well as cowboy and others.

never have i been given a discount or promo to post reports about on ll. never has giotto asked me to post on any site. in fact he has often scolded me and gets mo ho to me because i am nothing but a wh@re and take many ladies out of the bar and get them to stop work :d . and trust me, with as many girls as i have taken out of the bar long time and they stopped working i know more abut ll then probably any person on this board. i probably know more about the operations then many of the staff. this has caused me issues, knowing too much and getting into the middle of internal ll drama and issues. so trust me that giotto never has asked people to post positive reports. his discount is only for posting, positive or negative and it reminds me that all my posts the bestard never gave me a discount.

at annies today there is a sign and i'll post a picture of the sign, if we liked our service to post about it, i'm sure everyone that has been to annies has seen it. aey took care of me also, she made a special request booking. this is all called good business from where i am from and i do the same to customers who come to my work.

giotto, the most he has ever done for me is let me leave my luggage at the front desk for a few days while i went out of town. the rest he has done as a friend of mine and it is all outside of work, through good and bad times he has stayed by my side as a friend, just like 1ball, nicfrenchy, and many many many other guys on isg.

what helps the hotel is not giotto.. he is a total arse at times and we disagree on many items and we have fought over many issues. the staff there is what helps ll. i'm sorry if you don't see this or saw this when you went there, but to me i could care less if giotto was there or not, it is 100% the staff, the same waitresses and cooks and such. the girls come and go. but the hotel staff, shit i've known some of them longer then i've known most the girls that stay with me. i know their families and their problems in life.

you are allowed your opinion. people will either like soi 33 or they will not. people will either like ll or they will not. obviously you do not. such is your decision. it is not for everyone. but for many of us, it is a nice place to go. as i said, soi 33 and ll has a place in bkk just like eden and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and sol and beer garden.

cheers mate, let's have a drink sometime.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Bionicman]By the way, why are you so bothered to criticize places that you claim you have nothing to do with.
Do not like them? Do not go there
.[/QUOTE]

Bionicman,

My one simple rule is to NOT SUFFER FOOLS. Its easy once you try. As soon as one is identified then I just turn it off and lock it out. I invite you to do the same because I think we now have a positive ID...

RJSS212

[QUOTE=Jeff46]egypt etc. All those destination are much more cheaper then Thailand nowadays.[/QUOTE]

I fail to see how any location in Egypt (unless you refer to the slums) is 'cheaper' than Thailand in terms of food, accomodation and transport. Not to mention the lack of pussy.

[QUOTE=The Pro]LL and Annies.

Both of which are overpriced compared to other places, and both of which rely heavily on lazy first time USA visitors by making up a "fantasy" of appearing to be safe and good and helpful to first time visitors, more so than anywhere else, the ultimate safe place for first timers.[/QUOTE]Even if this were true, I don't see the problem. There is value in having a safe landing for a first-timer.

My first experience of mongering (how I hate that word!) in Thailand was at Annie's, and it was a great introduction to the scene. I don't think I was lazy to go there, and I appreciated that it was 'safe and good and helpful'. I rarely go back there now because there is so much else on offer. On my second visit I went to check out LL, having heard so much about it. Actually I didn't like the place (not my taste, nothing wrong with it, including the price) so I didn't go there...

We can all make our choices, and I'm very grateful for Ms 22 and Ms 24 at Annie's (as well as Aey) for helping me on my way.

Since a while I fancied little Miss number 15 at Tilac but she was always with the same guy. I managed to speak to her for a few minutes outside while having a smoke two weeks ago and give her my phone number. Recently she called me to tell me her bf would show up later but not before 10pm. So i met her near Asok around 6 and took her to my hotel for 2 hours of fun. She wasnt bad in the sack but nothing very special either. 2000 for ST. Overpaying? Maybe worth it imho.

I recently signed up to the website "Tagged" (free of course) with the view of setting up some contacts with some Thai gals for the next time I visit the LOS in March next year.

I have made a few Thai gal "friends" online and even some making promising noises about hooking up with me next year.

However I was just wondering what other positive and negative experiences, mongers have had with gals they have met online from "Tagged"?

i arrived at my hotel on soi 11 around 7.40 am - normally i have no problem checking in at this time, but this time the guy told me a room would not be available until 10am. what a king size pain in the ass.

i crossed sukhumvit into soi 8 more in hope than expectation but was delighted to see 6 [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] girls sat outside the shop at 7.55am. picked one and had a half hour blow job that was actually pretty good. 'you first customer' said the girl. no shit.

after availing of the service i then got some breakfast further down the road before finally checking in.

i wasn't aware [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s was open for business so early, but other mongers short of options in the early morn might like to consider it.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212]Bionicman,

My one simple rule is to NOT SUFFER FOOLS. Its easy once you try. As soon as one is identified then I just turn it off and lock it out. I invite you to do the same because I think we now have a positive ID.

RJSS212[/QUOTE]Don't loose heart so fast! Dont give up! If you can show the path, why not!

[QUOTE=Osakagin]
However I was just wondering what other positive and negative experiences, mongers have had with gals they have met online from "Tagged"?[/QUOTE]

Ive found that most of the undesirables and escorts are interested in farangs. Most of the hot young chicks aren't interested in meeting non-asians. I'd like to hear some more feedback also.

English guy in BKK.
[url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=869_1251815697[/url]

Tagged is ok, and ok for meeting girls who are in the borderline category, meaning they have jobs but they want to marry a rich farang, but also they do not mind being Gik's and having fun provided you pay for everything (evenings out, food, drink, school help etc..)

Have met a number from there, the key to it all is just go easy and do not be overbearing or too pushy.

[QUOTE=Osakagin]I recently signed up to the website "Tagged" (free of course) with the view of setting up some contacts with some Thai gals for the next time I visit the LOS in March next year.

I have made a few Thai gal "friends" online and even some making promising noises about hooking up with me next year.

However I was just wondering what other positive and negative experiences, mongers have had with gals they have met online from "Tagged"?[/QUOTE]

Believe me people, the quicker you will put "The Pro" on your ignore list the better your ISG experience will be.
The poor asshole is only interested in endless conversations about the same 3 topics... I am not even sure he even ever went to any of these 3 places

[QUOTE=Suntangh R]Don't loose heart so fast! Dont give up! If you can show the path, why not![/QUOTE]

Caus thats just jerkin off and callin it sex...

Anyone in Bangkok I would suggest having a look at the Massage Models website. It allows you to search various massage places in Bangkok based on the girls, price, location, age etc..

Useful and with contact details, maps and locations too.

[url]http://www.thaimassagemodel.com/home/search.php[/url]

Can be a good research tool if you are looking at getting some special ones lined up.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Ive found that most of the undesirables and escorts are interested in farangs. Most of the hot young chicks aren't interested in meeting non-asians. I'd like to hear some more feedback also.[/QUOTE]I think it is hard to say if the hotties are or are not interested in farangs. Who would not be interested in an old hairy chest white male with a big beer belly, who is assumed rich and also assumed to have heart problems, so the likelihood of having to vomit after sex will not be for very long. Just ask Anna Nicole Smith. :)

Poy, Miss Universe 1988 from Thailand, is married to a rich old farang.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porntip_Nakhirunkanok[/url]

So if you have millions or looked like you have millions, there's hope for you!

Soapie girls:

Soapie girls are paid on a per customer basis. The girls at Nataree on Rachada who are 2600B ( pay to the house) will get 1000B, so if they get 2-3 customers per night they can easily make 2000-3000B, plus tips. I know several girls who routinely send 30-50K back home. I have also been with some of the "superstars", who can bring in over 150,000B+ per month.

So some of the shiny BMWs in the parking lot do not belong to customers.

Almost all massage ( soapies) girls will come to your room for less than what U will pay at the establishments. Expect many of them to be mechanical in bed.

Average cost for soapie massage for BKK
2600B ( house fee) +200B ( papsan tip)+ 100B ( drink)+500B ( girl tip)=3400B

Duration: Normally 1hr or less

Shot on goal: Normally 1

Other Options: Go go bars 3000B ( LT) +100B( Mamasan tip)+600B ( barfine)+400B( drinks) Duration: all night

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Believe me people, the quicker you will put "The Pro" on your ignore list the better your ISG experience will be.

The poor asshole is only interested in endless conversations about the same 3 topics... I am not even sure he even ever went to any of these 3 places[/QUOTE]Though I don't post much, I read this thread every day. Can't agree with you here Nic, though I usually do. I think he's great; spices up an otherwise rather dull forum since OTH left. I especially like the USA-bashing....makes him seem so credible and intelligent.

[QUOTE=The Pro]Anyone in Bangkok I would suggest having a look at the Massage Models website. It allows you to search various massage places in Bangkok based on the girls, price, location, age etc..

Useful and with contact details, maps and locations too.

[url]http://www.thaimassagemodel.com/home/search.php[/url]

Can be a good research tool if you are looking at getting some special ones lined up.[/QUOTE]

it's already a very old information: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=770088#post770088[/url] ;)

Yes, but the site is now better than before and so worthy of another mention for those who may have missed the original post or were unaware.

[QUOTE=Zauberfee]it's already a very old information: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=770088#post770088[/url] ;)[/QUOTE]

july 09' on sukhumvit near soi 5, the bus stop stroll.

i switched it up with a cool girl from uganda. she said she just arrived a week ago (who knows). i've talked to some of the other girls from africa on the stroll but she was funny & laid back. she told me she can dance for me as well. i told her i just went to the clubs at soi cowboy. she said "they don't know the sexy african dances", & started moving her body & hips. she was right, i had to take a closer feel of that ass.

her speech was clear & diplomatic. she asked "is it possible, if i may receive a deposit before we get started". i replied "hell no! " with a smile & we both started laughing for a second. cbj, watch out with them teeth though. worked all positions with a whole lot of ass to handle man. a great change for my last night in bkk. we agreed on 1000 thb but i gave her 1200 thb. i saw her on sukhumvit later that night, so we sat & joked around for a second. shit, i'm back in the states, i got to get back to los.

Just completed a SE Asia trip and didn't really push the envelope in Bangkok, but maybe these observations can be of some value to some:

* Soi Cowboy is still by far the best of the entertainment plazas, and the only one with nudity and with widespread happy hours to cut the cost. Some places in SC and Nana have hiked the baseline non happy hour drink price to B150 (!!). Barfines are still mostly B600 and B700, though Midnite and other bars in the group are charging more for early take-outs or certain girls. Suzie Wong, IMHO, is one of the more underrated happy hours, as they have more girls, decent lighting, and go completely nude on one shift (unless there's police heat) from 8:30 onward. It's also not listed specifically on the drink menu, but they have Beerlao, so you can get that at B75 up to 9 p.m. Dollhouse also is good for happy hour because it runs to 9:30 and the B60 price includes all the bottled beers except Corona.

* Baccara in Soi Cowboy and Rainbow 4 in Nana are still the "meat markets," i.e. the places with the most girls and customers. No breaks on drink prices, but selection is the big draw.

* Nana Plaza is still a sad shadow of its former self, but Pretty Lady has been trying to bring back some "showing" and shows. Elsewhere, the number of ladyboy bars in Nana is now up to 5.

* Thermae's is also a shadow of its old self and has been taken over by Koreans and Japanese. They like a certain look for the girls and about half will try to look that way. It's not hopeless yet for non-Asians, but agreeing on price beforehand is probably more necessary now than ever.

Generally I think Pattaya has widened its lead over Bangkok and anywhere else in the country when it comes to mongering. Pattaya is becoming the unofficial containment zone for that. Some people are captives in Bangkok due to work or other reasons, but if the main purpose of your trip is mongering, then don't spend too much time in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Osakagin]I recently signed up to the website "Tagged" (free of course) with the view of setting up some contacts with some Thai gals for the next time I visit the LOS in March next year.

I have made a few Thai gal "friends" online and even some making promising noises about hooking up with me next year.

However I was just wondering what other positive and negative experiences, mongers have had with gals they have met online from "Tagged"?[/QUOTE]
I have been using "Tagged" for a few years now and it works for me. 5 hours after landing in HK last Thursday night, I had a young Filipina spinner in my hotel room doing the wild thing for the next 3 days. I waited until after I had dinner to call her, otherwise she would have been there when I checked in. She was one of many on my "Friends" list and let me know in no uncertain terms that she was on the game.

I am now in Bangkok, and had the same experience on Tuesday night. A "Tagged" friend called me about 8pm while I was "dining", excuse the term, at Gulliver's and actually diverted to meet me there from her original intention of going directly to my hotel. She is a 24 y.o. student in a massage school. About an hour later, she told me to take her to my room, spent the next hour giving me a much needed deep massage. Then her clothes suddenly fell off and she left on Wednesday morning at 630am to go to work.

I am 59 year old, tall, fit, white American guy, could be mistaken for "Tom Cruise's dad" and believe me, the girls on "Tagged" respond very well to me.

As in most cases, start early before your journey, slowly gain their "Friendship" and then work on learning the benefits they are willing to provide.

It is not all milk and honey, you will find some who are not on the same flight plan, but anyone with half a brain can weed those out and not waste time meeting them when you arrive at your destination. Just also be honest with your photos and how you present yourself so there is no friction when you actually meet. As always, as trite as it may sound, YMMV.

I have been using "Tagged" for a few years now and it works for me. 5 hours after landing in HK last Thursday night, I had a young Filipina spinner in my hotel room doing the wild thing for the next 3 days. I waited until after I had dinner to call her, otherwise she would have been there when I checked in. She was one of many on my "Friends" list and let me know in no uncertain terms that she was on the game.

I am now in Bangkok, and had the same experience on Tuesday night. A "Tagged" friend called me about 8pm while I was "dining", excuse the term, at Gulliver's and actually diverted to meet me there from her original intention of going directly to my hotel. She is a 24 y.o. student in a massage school. About an hour later, she told me to take her to my room, spent the next hour giving me a much needed deep massage. Then her clothes suddenly fell off and she left on Wednesday morning at 630am to go to work.

I am 59 year old, tall, fit, white American guy, could be mistaken for "Tom Cruise's dad" and believe me, the girls on "Tagged" respond very well to me.

As in most cases, start early before your journey, slowly gain their "Friendship" and then work on learning the benefits they are willing to provide.

It is not all milk and honey, you will find some who are not on the same flight plan, but anyone with half a brain can weed those out and not waste time meeting them when you arrive at your destination. Just also be honest with your photos and how you present yourself so there is no friction when you actually meet. As always, as trite as it may sound, YMMV.

[QUOTE=The Pro]Tansak,

I hope you enjoyed your days off with round the clock action. Thats what its all about.

Yes, it would be great if people can express their opinions freely, if Tulip posts are kept on the Tulip threads, if Annies posts are kept on the Annies thread, if all references to LL are kept on the LL/Giotto threads etc.

The seperate threads have been set up for a reason, so it would be nice if they were used, that way all those people who think that certain people are marketing their places would be proven wrong as all the chat about those places would be confined solely to the dedicated threads. Now there is a thought.[/QUOTE]
Mr Pro, can you please post, at least once, a detailed positive post on where and how you get your 2000+ cheap untipped sessions? That, for sure, would benefit the newbies, that you proclaim you want to protect from
extorsionnists like Giotto and Annie....

[QUOTE=The Pro]The seperate threads have been set up for a reason, so it would be nice if they were used, that way all those people who think that certain people are marketing their places would be proven wrong as all the chat about those places would be confined solely to the dedicated threads. Now there is a thought.[/QUOTE]

Sure we can do this, but you are doing exactly what Annies and Giotto want. You are running this over and over and giving them exactly what you are fighting about, MARKETING !!!!!!!!!!

I can't even recall way back when this all started for you but for some reason I believe it might be you who brought up Livingstones Lodge and Giotto and Annies into this forum section.

So how about we take the discussions to the Annies, Livingstones / Giotto's, or the fight club or other area since it seems most people here agree to move on. You gotta have the last word here or can you drop it and move it over because you are playing right into their hands with your constant attention. If you post more then others are just going to post back and we'll have a General Thread of only Annies and Livingstones which is fine by me :D But they do have their own threads where I'VE POSTED MY REPORTS.

For whatever reason you seem obsessed with a few topics and this only helps those topics instead of being a negative. Let's move on... Massage and then off to Cowboy to slum with the masses tonight :D :D

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I am not even sure he even ever went to any of these 3 places[/QUOTE]

Geez NicFrenchy lighten up. I'm an innocent virgin and never been to BKK but I post here too :D :D

OK I have a MP girl from three different shops from different visits wanting to stay with me tonight (for those that failed math that is 3 different girls) and two just SMS'd me that they'll be over later (problem is they have my room key), also have the three room mates and their friend that want to go out and "make me happy" (math geniuses that is 4 girls and they have room key), have my ex gf and my ex ex gf wanting to "just make love again" (read TRAP TRAP but they not have my room). So I have 9 girls wanting to have sex tonight and 6 of them have my room key so what am I going to do about all this.... Go to Cowboy of course and get a new one :D Or that is the plan unless one shows up early and gets my attention first.

I need the slow night of a newbie as the days of constant sex are catching up with the rabbit, need sleep nit noy.... Hell I've drank a lot of juice over the last three days and shaved and showered a lot lately :D :D Also need a pick me up after my total failure at Tulip today... I'm so ashamed of myself I should get citizenship in France to make up for my poor performance.

Beyonce should write a song... If I were just a wh@re...... As a Wise Old Man on Soi 33 stated to me... I've completely fallen to just the basic primal instinct to reproduce over and over and over.... He's completely lost faith in human kind after knowing me.

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]I think it is hard to say if the hotties are or are not interested in farangs. Who would not be interested in an old hairy chest white male with a big beer belly, who is assumed rich and also assumed to have heart problems, so the likelihood of having to vomit after sex will not be for very long. Just ask Anna Nicole Smith. :)

Poy, Miss Universe 1988 from Thailand, is married to a rich old farang.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porntip_Nakhirunkanok[/url]

So if you have millions or looked like you have millions, there's hope for you!

Soapie girls:

Soapie girls are paid on a per customer basis. The girls at Nataree on Rachada who are 2600B ( pay to the house) will get 1000B, so if they get 2-3 customers per night they can easily make 2000-3000B, plus tips. I know several girls who routinely send 30-50K back home. I have also been with some of the "superstars", who can bring in over 150,000B+ per month.

So some of the shiny BMWs in the parking lot do not belong to customers.

Almost all massage ( soapies) girls will come to your room for less than what U will pay at the establishments. Expect many of them to be mechanical in bed.

Average cost for soapie massage for BKK
2600B ( house fee) +200B ( papsan tip)+ 100B ( drink)+500B ( girl tip)=3400B

Duration: Normally 1hr or less

Shot on goal: Normally 1

Other Options: Go go bars 3000B ( LT) +100B( Mamasan tip)+600B ( barfine)+400B( drinks) Duration: all night[/QUOTE]

Gotta disagree with this 100%...most of the Asian massage places on Petchaburi...1300-1900 baht (house fee)...papasan tip, 0....+ drink 50-100 baht, + tip girl 100 baht ....duration, 2 hours, shot on goal, normally 2....a way way better value than anywhere in Nana or Soi Cowboy and no attitudes whatsoever...

i've spent a whopping 10 full weeks in bangkok this year. a mix of mostly business and some holiday, with plenty of time to experience the nightlife and variety of activities available in this wonderful city. i should preface my comments by saying that i truly love thailand and these are only my thoughts based on specific experiences i have had. others may obviously vary and it's this diversity of opinion that makes bangkok so wonderful to enjoy.

1) i really hate to say this, but from my experiences, i've found it very difficult to truly trust thai women. i've met and dated women in different settings. hotels, bars, nightclubs, g-clubs, soapies, go-go bars, etc. inherently i found most of these women truly addicted to the idea of money and stability and much less with me. even though i'm a 30 year old and an attractive catch by all western standards. also, i've found thai women to be quite moody and fickle and very limited in their ability to adjust to anything not thai (e. g., they mostly want to eat thai food, most have never ventured outside thailand for travel, etc). for me this makes it feel impossible to really bring someone back to the usa

2) more specifically, i find it difficult to trust a woman from a g-club or nightclub. i've spoken with women at soprano, the resort, pent club, caribbean, st. moritz, etc and i've realized you have to spend a ton of money and time with these women to go anywhere. i actually had a genuine romance with a woman from soprano, but it fizzled when she got nervous by how close we had gotten. most of these women are professionals at making you feel at ease and emptying out your wallet; if you want something long-term it's best if you live in thailand. they're very used to the tourist who lives in a hotel and vanishes after a few days.

3) there are a bunch of places i recommend but i'll keep it to some highlights:

a) best place for a "massage": i still think the winner is tulip, despite the crappy rooms. dow/dao is quite the performer, and if you spend time with her she's willing to give her cell number to make private bookings. the consistency amongst the women is better here than other places.

b) next best place for a "massage": snow white on sukhumvit 26 is excellent; i had a wonderful experience with fa. she's super energetic, caring, and loves sex. just watch your head when you walk up the stairs! the facilities are super modern here. i also like aviva massage on soi 8. pretty women, but make sure you ask to pick the one you want. the massage portion is actually quite legit here and the rooms are okay.

c) best massage parlor: i give the nod to nataree. the sideliners especially are quite attractive and very affordable. the rooms aren't great, but this is a better "buy" than most places.

d) overrated massage parlors: the "models" lounge in poseidon is ok, but for the price i haven't found the women to be worth it. same goes with amsterdam and la belle; the facilities here are nice but the real attractive women come at a steep cost (if you must, highly recommend "king" at amsterdam. she's a former thai penthouse model and a lot of fun)

e) best g-club: it really depends on your style of partying. the band at soprano is excellent and takes your music requests. the new ikafe is fun (next to caribbean. the new karafun), but the pricing structure is quite expensive. wherever you go, just realize that it's futile to worry about bedding the women. just have a good time and be prepared to spend $$$.

f) best escort services: in general, i think escorts in bangkok are a real hit or miss, and generally a risk and too expensive. some independent escorts are a disaster, such as "thai cherry" who has gained about 30 pounds from her previous photos. if you must, bangkok hot escorts ([url]www.bangkokhotescort.com[/url]) is a solid option at a fair price.

g) best quickie: i don't think anything beats [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] in soi 8 for some fast bj for only 700 or so baht. tip: don't go right at closing; several of the women are eating food at this time and i had one who chomped down hard at my member as if it were a piece of chicken.

h) best place to party: hands down, rca. especially route 66. which is an excellent club. get there early on weekends if you want to reserve a table inside.

i) overrated place to party: definitely q bar. i don't understand the allure of this place. high cover charge, and sometimes they block off the upstairs to "members only". avoid.

j) most ridiculous view: state tower. the sky bar. absolutely amazing view of the entire city and a super romantic place to take a woman.

there's a lot more to add here, but i hope this provides a nice start. feel free to give your opinions on the "best" of bangkok.

cheers

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[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Beyonce should write a song... If I were just a wh@re...... [/quote]
You listen to Beyonce? fuck, you really ARE Gay!


[quote]As a Wise Old Man on Soi 33 stated to me... I've completely fallen to just the basic primal instinct to reproduce over and over and over.... He's completely lost faith in human kind after knowing me.[/QUOTE]

Shit, the LAST thing you should do is reproduce!

So last night.... was going to cowboy but one of the MP girls shows up. Now I did not take her from a shop or such she came to my room all by herself, no cash no payment no nothing. We went to King and I for a massage while she got a spa, went to eat at Suda of all places (yeah I know big spender aren't I :D ). We talked and relaxed and had a nice evening.

While we were out, well two girls meet up in the lobby of the hotel. One was drunk as she was a little mo ho about me (and she brought a girl friend, this is the 25 year old and her one friend) and the other was a MP girl that came to visit me also :) I'm getting SMS messages from both parties while I am with this other girl. Coast is clear, out of lobby, talked to hotel to verify there would not be any drama but the damn security guard comes rushing to me to report there was an "incident" right in front of this other girl. What a jack ass, no tip for him.

So anyways now it appears I have two girls leaving items at the front desk that I have given to them. I can't wait to see what they "returned to me" and what condition it is. This will be a treat, will call the bell hop to bring up later.

So up to the room and for all the folks that are part of the FFF (find them, fuck them, forget them) crowd I disagree with you. This girl and I had a nice evening and we talked about life, family, etc... and these girls when they want to, can fuck the hell out of you while wanting to be happy and for no money. TRUE I paid dinner and spa but that was my treat to her. Just finished 3 hours of morning sex this morning that was incredible, she is a trooper who can provide the needed work out to keep me slim and beautiful :). This is of course after a wonderful night time session and a nice restful sleep holding each other (I'm such a romantic).

She's now making me coffee, washed me in the shower, will iron my shirts, and she just had me talk to her family and friends up in Isaan etc... While you are reading this report :) :)

Sorry Folks... this is kind of backwards... I was writing this when in walked a sexy MP girl (read at the end).... So it's kind of backwards should have been posted earlier...

Landed BKK after some fun, er I mean work, in Manila, Sunday night. Got the late TG flight into town from MNL and landed about 5 pm, no lines at immigration, third bag off, out the door, into taxi over to Grand President. You can see report in hotel thread... watch the water shooter in the bathroom damn it....

My TGF and I are having issues, think two nympho maniacs so neither one of us is stable mentally or emotionally, so we are mo ho to each other and I not see her yet. And surprisingly I am innocent in this case for the first time in my life :D I call in back up before landing, old girl I know who happens to have two room mates who are thinking I am "handsum man" which of course is 100% accurate.

So waiting at the hotel are three girls, 25, 27, 22 years old. Nothing special but the two are former semi pro part timers for rent money and lately after the recent aids increase (they know two girls who got HIV and tell me there is a larger number of HIV in BKK freelance area, no idea if true or not) they got scared and have worked at selling clothes for a while now.

So here I am, broken hearted and in a suite with three young ladies. What should a guy do. Well this guy took the 22 year old first even though I know the 25 year old. I'm a **** what can I say. I also had the shirts off of all the girls and was feeling them all up and over. After a few rounds the 25 year came into the room and started to assist and instruct and teach the 22 year old with some hands on experience. Dee Mak !!!

Monday arrives far too soon... morning sex again with the 25 and the 22 year old.... Afternoon sex at Snow White.... Went to see the ex ex gf to show off my new hair (always shaved my head now have it grown out and look handsum man of course)... seriously meet up with her as I still talk to her and we went to a real massage place. She wanted to go back to my room for sex but dam I just finished Snow White and I have three girls in my room... so sorry honey maybe later... Late Afternoon / Evening sex with the 3 room mates again. This night have all three girls running around naked in my suite. Oh my lord, thank you for creating thai girls. When you get room mates who share everything including a guy and are not shy around each other it is a glorious sight and one that kept my pecker in the up position all night.

This time I had the 27 year old. Yes I know I've stated I was saving her for Fox 2 my friend coming in but my pecker has a mind of it's own. She has great tits and she is more asian looking then flat nose dark skin isaan girl. She goes for a ride on me then holly bloody hell if she doesn't finish on me then get off and tell me thank you but she is never work professional and she was horny and now she finish and that she will send in another girl. I'm like what the hell, and now I know how a MP girl feels. I was laying there staff raise high and in utter shock. Seriously I was pissed and shocked... never have I had a girl do this to me.

In come the 22 year old and the 25 year and they make up for the problem. But damn I was mo ho (upset). I told Fox 2 I never finished with the girl and that is true I never did finish with her :D

The next day had a special early morning booking with an Annies girl, reported that in their thread. But a two hour booking turned into a four hour booking with a girl who does not work the fishbowl. God 3 1/2 hours of straight good strong sex is just what the doctor ordered to forget the 27 year who used and abused me the night before. I still feel dirty after what she did to me :D

After this went to Beer Garden to do some looking as my friend will come in and haven't been here in half a year. Plan to do Nana and Cowboy and other MP's as WORK for my friend to test the waters and judge the flow and the current and rip tide effects. The shit I go through for ISG. What I saw at Beer Garden gave me chills. Only maybe two or three girls were possibilities so I called in two of the room mates and a new friend and we drank some. Bought drinks for Beer Garden girls who they knew from before in their semi pro make rent days.

End up going to that little restaurant on the corner of Soi 5 with about 7 girls to eat. One was ill, you could see when she relaxed and let her guard down that she was ill. Flu or something else I don't know but didn't want to get close and I'm told she has been repeatedly ill for months but hides it to customers, she has not been to a doctor to be checked out. But with the rain and such there seems to be a lot of girls with coughs and colds or worse who knows. But it's not a good feeling, I always take antibiotics and other items when I am mongering to ward off anything that might come my way. Anyways end up going to the room with the two room mates and two more.

The 25 year old gets drunk and starts to get an attitude so we mo ho and she storms off. The friend storms off with her. Are you reading anything into this, alcohol in large qty and thai girls is never a good thing. So I'm there with the 22 year old and another girl. Eh no problem for me, I can deal with only two girls if I have to but that is suffering I know. A little while later, in walks the other 27 year room mate, drunk and crying. More drama. But this drama is her home issues. (I should mention I give out my room key like candy so many many girls have it incase they want to come and join the fun but these are girls I know not one time wonders).

While I'm trying to screw the 22 year old and her friend the girl who used me as a ***** pulls the 22 year old aside to talk to her about life issues. Bloody hell... so I try to concentrate on the friend for a while. Not working. End up taking the 22 year old back and finishing with both of them while the 27 year old was in the living room drinking Jack and Coke's.

Get things settled and out of the room... thank god morning comes. Have morning sex of course... then off to work. Get some watches repaired, everything going OK, see the ex ex GF for ice cream... dealing with work issues and decide to go to Tulips. You can read the total failure in the Tulip Thread.

To solve the issue with multiple keys going out and girls who are upset at me I just called reception and changed the key card system on my room and got 5 more keys to start over with :D

At night... well I just posted that the one MP girl came over and damn if it was not a great evening. She's still here on the couch in my dress shirt. There is just something that makes me so horny seeing a girl wearing my dress shirts walking around the suite. God I hope this isn't the first step to becoming a lady boy like Nicfrenchy :D Damn I gotta stop this shit about Frenchy I'm starting to be like TT and think too much about him hahahahahaha....

What will today bring???? I actually gotta work damn it. Massive problems. but hope to do a MP and tonight... shit supposed to meet up with an ISG lurker who I know from another board but damn this MP girl is looking so damn edible.... Please tell me the rabbit isn't caged...

[QUOTE=Oldian]Gotta disagree with this 100%...most of the Asian massage places on Petchaburi...1300-1900 baht (house fee)...papasan tip, 0....+ drink 50-100 baht, + tip girl 100 baht ....duration, 2 hours, shot on goal, normally 2....a way way better value than anywhere in Nana or Soi Cowboy and no attitudes whatsoever...[/QUOTE]

For ME, Disagree 100% and this is what makes BKK so much fun, we can all find what we like and what works for us.

For me, who looks American but am not, most soapies give me one shot and some have farang sur charge but I agree I never got attitude at a soapie. But 3 K minimum for my one goal at many soapies.

LT from nana or cowboy or soi 33 for me is 20 hour usually for girls that I know (yes 20 hours and many goals), but for new ladies I usually let them go home after the morning sex (don't want to scare them too much right away), I pay 3 -4 K, and shots on goal are a minimum of 5 and up. So say 5 - 6 K for the time (BF, few drinks back to room). That is 1500 baht per goal for me and can go lower as the goals increase.

Hello,

I have a small request.

I am looking for a girl with big natural breast (slim body or at least not fat: P) I'm living in BKK with my girlfriend so I don't have much time/money to look around and try new places. And anyway my little free time is only during morning/afternoon (so GoGo or night time freelancer are out of question). If somebody could help and suggest me a girl and/or shop name I'd really appreciate it!

Thanks

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]You listen to Beyonce? fuck, you really ARE Gay!
Shit, the LAST thing you should do is reproduce![/QUOTE]Nic, you have a real attitude problem. Why not restrict your posts to constructive or at least entertaining posts, rather than childish insults?

[QUOTE=Mouse1]Nic, you have a real attitude problem. Why not restrict your posts to constructive or at least entertaining posts, rather than childish insults?[/QUOTE]

WHOA.... Don't worry about Frenchy, He is just jealous that I don't love him the same way that he loves me :D I'm not into that lady boy action he likes.

In all reality Mouse1 Nic is a very nice person, a good friend, and he can pull the ladies left and right that part is very true. He just doesn't know what to do with them once he finds them as he is so young. Damn he is so easy to pick on... Must go to temple to cleanse my soul.... stop picking on frenchy....

He needs old guys like us to kick him in his arse (I'm 40 so if I call him young you must know he is a dick enter pussy and finish immediately type of baby still with no staying power), he lives in mongers paradise and dresses like a damn lady boy :D Pisses me off that he has a job that allows him to monger around the clock and I'm jealous of his success in life.

So if you're going to scold someone scold me as I'm the one baiting the baby every chance I get :D But if he ever is up for a meeting definitely do it, he knows many parts of thailand and is really a wealth of valuable information.

Ok since I'm the bad one I'm going to cowboy and put myself in the naughty boy corner because I pick on Nic too much tonight :D

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Damn I gotta stop this shit about Frenchy I'm starting to be like TT and think too much about him hahahahahaha.... [/quote]

No worries, I am used to it, the girls think about me all the time :D

[quote]What will today bring????[/QUOTE]

Hahahahaha, let me guess... another 10 shots? :)

[QUOTE=Mouse1]Nic, you have a real attitude problem. Why not restrict your posts to constructive or at least entertaining posts, rather than childish insults?[/QUOTE]

Right, well that was..... unexpected.... :(

Tansak KTV is a good friend of mine (and not only on ISG), yes, I admit being a little jealous of his sexual prowess (who wouldn't like to screw 14 times a day without having to take a month off afterwards?)
Now Piper1 (yes, the gay one) suggested we get a separate thread for our Back & Forth bickering but, it is all in good fun.

Next time you're in BKK, come out one time with us and you'll see :)

(aaargh... I wish we were in the Fight club Thread so I could write down some obscenities... )

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Hahahahaha, let me guess... another 10 shots? :)[/QUOTE]

We had about 6 am to 12 pm sessions this morning with a few breaks, her to rest on the couch, me to post and do work.

There was multiple shots for me and for the girl she had a record breaking number of climax's in one day and we only were at it until noon. So nice to be able to please the customers ;) It was kind of funny I asked her at about 11 am if she wanted to go one more round and she said please.... Damn good girl. That set the record for her :D and earned her a repeat visit with me.

Am actually working damn it until I will cowboy tonight with a friend of mine... big problems at work but am horny as a SOB already so I feel sorry for whoever comes tonight.

We are taking new, the one from last night / this morning is scheduled for tomorrow again :D I'm trying not to get married again.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Right, well that was..... unexpected.... :([/QUOTE]OK, hate to intrude on a lovers' tiff! :-)

BTW, how do you put smilies into your text?

[QUOTE=Mouse1]OK, hate to intrude on a lovers' tiff! :-)

BTW, how do you put smilies into your text?[/QUOTE]Ah, neat :) Thanks TKTV.

[QUOTE=Mouse1]Nic, you have a real attitude problem. Why not restrict your posts to constructive or at least entertaining posts, rather than childish insults? [/QUOTE] I thought he was the more mature of the two! I suggest we add the honorific Thunderball to Tansak KTV. First, it was Pro with his 200 ++ or was it 2000 sessions per year. But TKTV takes the Gold. He needs to be put under the dissection microscope and analysed. Amazing! I am a decade older than him, a late entry, you would say; but this guy is a goddamn PISTON. KKTV, can you lend us one of your testis for the weekend. Promise to return it!

Why doesn't it work to list the threads by oldest first?

[QUOTE=Suntangh R]But TKTV takes the Gold. He needs to be put under the dissection microscope and analysed. Amazing! I am a decade older than him, a late entry, you would say; but this guy is a goddamn PISTON. KKTV, can you lend us one of your testis for the weekend. Promise to return it![/QUOTE]

Well, I can say that after meeting the Rabbit KTV a few times & also meeting his girls, the man really is a freak of nature!
many ladies won't even come near him anymore because they are scared he might barfine them.
A few ladies complained that the man does not sleep and screws continuously (without even a break between shots). Now for a 40 year old, I am sorry but even me at 30, I can't do that.
I am happy to sqeeze my 3 shots in a 2 hour session, but then I need the day to recharge.

The last beergarden that KTV brought told me the man humped her 14 times the day before and 3 times that same morning... adn that he was still horny.
Maybe he really is an animal?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]...The last beergarden that KTV brought told me the man humped her 14 times the day before and 3 times that same morning... adn that he was still horny.
Maybe he really is an animal?[/QUOTE]
And don't forget that he manages to carry on all the functions of his demanding day job at the same time.

He's giving orders to his employees over two cell phones while simultaneously butt fucking his three female roomates.

There is no cage in existence that could hold this animal. :D

Mine take on all this is one guy ( Tansak ) is a world class sprinter like the world record holder BOLT, and the other ( Pro ) is a slow leisure walker. Each has their own style and commands their own respect.

LBM

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]many ladies won't even come near him anymore because they are scared he might barfine them. [/QUOTE]

Now now guys... it is only blowing off some steam from work. Some people relax one way I do it another way. Last night was a bad night.

Had dinner with Giotto and another ISG lurker that was actually decent at La Casa over by King and I (an italian place of all things, never been there before). Oh, this wasn't the bad part even :D Went to Cowboy as two girls I know were starting first night at baccara bar and promised to stop by and buy them a few drinks. One of the best things for me is always staying close to girls I have taken before and just be social. Never hurts to go buy a drink just to stay in contact.

So ended up running into a guy I know there so stayed a while. Was looking around, really didn't see much to my taste but the two girls pulled another girl over. I should qualify that I saw some girls upstairs that had possibilities but was trapped downstairs with these two girls. Unfortunately... I acted like a BKK virgin and let my little head do the thinking for me. She was my style girl and I talked to her and she had good english and a smile, laugh, attitude that could light up the room for me but I made rookie mistakes. She promised good power and long time and stay until late the next day etc...

Turns out she was in BKK for 10 days and only work for 6 days and I was her first Foreign guy and she said she really was horny, but horny for a young girl in BKK and that got solved on my first shot. Ended up only with two shots the night and one in morning. Rookie mistakes to not check how long she worked bar and how much experience she had. HOWEVER she put up a good effort and did a lot so I can't be upset or feel sorry as it was MY fault for making the mistakes.

But she was a fun girl, personality wise, and she promised to go back to work and ask around for the top 5 girls who can bump and grind the most and give me a line up when I come back. But she was asking if it is OK that I not bar fine her again right away as she can not do more right now. I not need 10 times a day with one girl, can always hit up a MP or two during the day and have a special night planned tonight so mai pen rai... It was still a nice evening even if I did screw NicFrenchy Style.

She has already sent me text messages thanking me for being such a sweet guy and handsum man :D and that she'd make it up to me. And one of the two girls who got her, just text me that she is on her way over to pick up some items from the room (have so many things for various girls all over the room don't know what belongs to who) and she heard what happen as this girl txt her so she promise to help me if I need any release. It's good to enjoy friends of friends.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Now now guys... it is only blowing off some steam from work. Some people relax one way I do it another way. Last night was a bad night.
...
[/QUOTE]The Rabbit KTV,

Hmmm... if not our dinner - what was the bad part of the night :) ?


Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto]The Rabbit KTV,

Hmmm... if not our dinner - what was the bad part of the night :) ?


Giotto[/QUOTE]

That I still make rookie mistakes.....

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]The last beergarden that KTV brought told me the man humped her 14 times the day before and 3 times that same morning... adn that he was still horny.

Maybe he really is an animal?[/QUOTE]Damn, I wish I was 60 again, would've shown all of you 'animals' the door. Slowing down now, only six chicks in a three nighter to BKK last week, and with only three COF/CIMs per session. (Groan)

KTV get your fill buddy, get it now. All of a sudden, you're old. Enjoy it while you got it. ;)

Well, OK, at least I got pics to prove it, you guys DO do a lot of bullshitting here with not a lot of proof, in fact not even a teeny tiny shred of it, yes?

One session from last week, (the fantastic kissing sisters, yes, actual real for real sisters: insanely cute, left to right-19 &18, and, both love anal, they've been doing each other since they were kids) more on that later:

[QUOTE=Mouse1]OK, hate to intrude on a lovers' tiff! :-)

BTW, how do you put smilies into your text?[/QUOTE]
Me too, me too, I want to know!

Apparently you PMS'd Mouse to instruct him - could you also send me the PMS?

Thanks

SEAJ

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Right, well that was..... unexpected.... :(

Tansak KTV is a good friend of mine (and not only on ISG), yes, I admit being a little jealous of his sexual prowess (who wouldn't like to screw 14 times a day without having to take a month off afterwards?)
Now Piper1 (yes, the gay one) suggested we get a separate thread for our Back & Forth bickering but, it is all in good fun.

Next time you're in BKK, come out one time with us and you'll see :)

(aaargh... I wish we were in the Fight club Thread so I could write down some obscenities... )[/QUOTE]
FOURTEEN times a day???!!!

TKTV - you sure you know that 14 times means 14 sessions and not just 14 thrusts?

Do you ever sleep? Eat? T.A.S.S.? Work? Rest up?

Sorry to be a cynic but.................!!! The friction alone would have built up callouses on your dick - do you really feel anything? Anything at all when you're doing IT?

Like I said, my apologies, but i just find this just too hard to believe -

SEAJ

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Me too, me too, I want to know!

Apparently you PMS'd Mouse to instruct him - could you also send me the PMS?

Thanks

SEAJ[/QUOTE]Sorry Joe, I've been sworn to secrecy :)

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]FOURTEEN times a day???!!! [/QUOTE]

Not every day for sure. And I not ask people to believe but some members actually talk to the girls I am with and know what we do. Usually it is girls telling them I am a bastard who screws too much. I do not really care if people believe or not.

Ran into NicFrenchy at Chitlom BTS stop today while I was with a certain freebie MP girl. Unplanned encounter but atleast he got a look at a girl who can do multiple times a day and guess what, just finished two times. :D

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Not every day for sure. And I not ask people to believe but some members actually talk to the girls I am with and know what we do. Usually it is girls telling them I am a bastard who screws too much. I do not really care if people believe or not.

Ran into NicFrenchy at Chitlom BTS stop today while I was with a certain freebie MP girl. Unplanned encounter but atleast he got a look at a girl who can do multiple times a day and guess what, just finished two times.[/QUOTE] Just for a day. Pl. We are suitably impressed and forgive some of your nasty posts. You have a good friend in Nic!

Curious to see a photo of yours. Wonder how you were assembled in utero!

You are a Medical Marvel, Khun Piston Tansak!

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Not every day for sure. And I not ask people to believe but some members actually talk to the girls I am with and know what we do. Usually it is girls telling them I am a bastard who screws too much. I do not really care if people believe or not.

Ran into NicFrenchy at Chitlom BTS stop today while I was with a certain freebie MP girl. Unplanned encounter but atleast he got a look at a girl who can do multiple times a day and guess what, just finished two times.[/QUOTE]Nic, can you take charge of this guy. He's running amuck! The Girls will start judging a lot us by his standards. Tell him to find new parlours, FLs or whatever! Request him to the respectable parlors for us, PLEASE. A number of guys are going to get depressed hearing of this prowess; a number will stop coming back to LOS. And you can imagine then!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]
Maybe he really is an animal?[/QUOTE]

Nah, I think that his island is simply still not quite caught up with evolution.

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Sorry to be a cynic but.................!!! The friction alone would have built up callouses on your dick - do you really feel anything? Anything at all when you're doing IT?[/QUOTE]

I would think that raincoats would keep the callouses away. If not you could always ask the pedicurists to clean the callouses off like they do on the bottom of your foot. OUCH!

[QUOTE=Pita123]I would think that raincoats would keep the callouses away. If not you could always ask the pedicurists to clean the callouses off like they do on the bottom of your foot. OUCH![/QUOTE]
Tansak, recently overheard walking into a nail salon...........

"hello, I would like a manicure, a pedicure, and a dickycure please"
;)

[QUOTE=1Ball]Tansak, recently overheard walking into a nail salon.

"hello, I would like a manicure, a pedicure, and a dickycure please"
;)[/QUOTE]That's a good one!

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Ran into NicFrenchy at Chitlom BTS stop today while I was with a certain freebie MP girl. Unplanned encounter but atleast he got a look at a girl who can do multiple times a day and guess what, just finished two times. :D[/QUOTE]

Shit! the man has lost 20 kilos so I almost did not recognize him. Good to see you in top form! and damn that girl surely did look amazing for a sex addict :)
Usually the ones who can hump like crazy are old, Fat, ugly or something.
This one had a nice body, cute face and a great smile :)

I really feel for her next punter... he won't be able to satisfy her :D

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Not every day for sure. And I not ask people to believe but some members actually talk to the girls I am with and know what we do. Usually it is girls telling them I am a bastard who screws too much. I do not really care if people believe or not.

Ran into NicFrenchy at Chitlom BTS stop today while I was with a certain freebie MP girl. Unplanned encounter but atleast he got a look at a girl who can do multiple times a day and guess what, just finished two times. :D[/QUOTE]
I've been known to do a few gals in a row, but invariably, after the third or so gal, I'd find myself getting practically bored with the actual act. I mean, there's only so many varieties to doing the nasty and after multiple pops, it becomes well..... routine and not all that exciting - or satisfying at all. Just tiring and I some times even cain't wait to get it over and done with.

I don't think it's got anything to do with age or anything - as I had experienced the same "boredom" even when I was younger. It's like eating Foie Gras, then sharks fin, followed by lobster, and then Kobe beef, capped all by a rich devilish dessert and then right away going back to Foie gras , then sharks fin and lobster......... There's only so much that I can - and should - consume.

TKTV - how do you do it and what precisely goes on in your head when you're doing it on your fourth - never mind fourteenth time! I realize that this is really none of my business and you are more than entitled to tell me to go to hell - but I truly am curious .... and perhaps just a bit jealous that I cannot really enjoy sex THAT much:(

I mean if I can do it multiple times and get as much enjoyment etc as when I do it the first or second time in a day.... well..... that would really be GREAT!!!!

Apologize for belaboring this matter and if I over step my place. Thank you

SEAJ

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Shit! the man has lost 20 kilos so I almost did not recognize him. Good to see you in top form! and damn that girl surely did look amazing for a sex addict :)

Usually the ones who can hump like crazy are old, Fat, ugly or something.
This one had a nice body, cute face and a great smile :)

I really feel for her next punter... he won't be able to satisfy her :D[/QUOTE]

:D told you folks the damn FrenchMan is in love with me.... The girl is a great lady and is a sweet girl and just wants to take care of me, iron my shirts, make coffee / tea, massage me while typing, walk around in my dress shirt with nothing else on waiting for me, washing me in the tub.

Last night she opened the door at 2 am for Fox2 who finally showed his up in Thailand in only my dress shirt, earlier in the day she opened the door for the 25 year old lady who was returning items and picking up items she left here again in my dress shirt. She also went through my camera and phone of pictures of other girls is OK with it so far.

I just gotta watch what I post when I move photo's over as I can't get her in trouble with her work.

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]TKTV - how do you do it and what precisely goes on in your head when you're doing it on your fourth - never mind fourteenth time! I realize that this is really none of my business and you are more than entitled to tell me to go to hell - but I truly am curious .... and perhaps just a bit jealous that I cannot really enjoy sex THAT much:([/QUOTE]

Sigh.... I know most guys won't believe (not saying you specificially but others reading) and that's fine.

I work 20 hour days, I bicycle 30 to 100 kilometer a day, my cardio is in great shape and I take a regiment of vitamins and herbals and protein which I've shared with many guys but it's about 29 pills a day. I do not screw like this every day only in bkk mostly and sometimes in MNL and china is usually having someone brought to me. And I do go hog wild for the ladies when I land and before I take off.

Yesterday was a typical day for me. One shot in the morning with the cowboy young girl. Then I had two girls come over to pick up items from the room but no sex but could have if I wanted it. Went out for a meeting, meet up with an MP girl outside work. Did little shopping at Zen. Ran into Frenchy at the BTS, came back to room and had sex two shots. Then we had another later, then a surprise another one. :D She is getting the most out of me.

Had early dinner her friend and her husband (sizing me up maybe :) ), did some work on computes and such during these times, had two shots later. Fell asleep, Fox2 arrived at my door with all the items I had him bring from the USA for me, talked to him quickly as he wanted to run out to grab a lady, had two more shots, went to sleep again.

Have not used lube one time yet on this trip. The girls get naturally wet with DATY and I can not perform for just ANY girl, of course not no way could I get stimulated for no damn reason. The rotation of girls keeps my interest there, and there is a reason I was with my ex gf's and I stay with some girls is because for whatever reason they can keep my interest and they can enjoy this. It's that simple. Nothing special. You just gotta find the girls that keep your interest.

This girl, when she walks around my room in my dress shirt and she massages me and sucks me while typing, I'm sorry, I get horny and I rectify that problem :D Usually I know certain girls that can always get me going just like you guys find at MP's, girls knowing their work and being good at it getting the most for you that you go back too. It's the same for me, I know some girls that even when I've had three or four shots I know they get me horny and can keep my interest with a variety of different skills. And for the new girls, it's is always the enjoyment of the first time with them to see if they are performers or not that keeps my interest but why I am not upset when they only perform three times in one night.

It is not every day that I go excessive. Today... have to meet my ex gf for a few hours this morning to see about patching up our problems (but swear I'm not going to be trapped into sex with her :D ), then go out for a Soapie Run (I dislike soapies usually but gotta take one for the team every once in a while) then out to horn dog it up.

So today, give me the morning with this girl in bed with me, then nothing except 1 shot at soapie due to meeting my ex, then whoever is the unlucky girl tonight. So very normal atleast in my POV.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]

Ran into Frenchy at the BTS, came back to room and had sex two shots. Then we had another later, then a surprise another one. :D

[/QUOTE]

You weren't kidding about Nic being in love with you.

Slim

Damn!

When I read that I bit my tongue and said nothing! thinking I might be reading something that wasn't!

Damn not once but 3 times!

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Damn!

When I read that I bit my tongue and said nothing! thinking I might be reading something that wasn't!

Damn not once but 3 times!

LBM[/QUOTE]

Next thing you'll know you'll walk into Annies or Nataree and find NicFrenchy and TansakKTV sitting in the FB with a number on their dress.

[QUOTE=Pita123]Next thing you'll know you'll walk into Annies or Nataree and find NicFrenchy and TansakKTV sitting in the FB with a number on their dress.[/QUOTE]
You mean they are not sideliners?

[QUOTE=1Ball]You mean they are not sideliners?[/QUOTE]

C'mon man, you met them. You think they could make it as sideliners? Hell, for that matter could you or I make it as a sideliner? The other sideliners would move to the other side of the room.

You are right, Pita. :eek:

But this begs the question, which, BTW, has not been addressed of late......

Should they get a tip? and if so, should it be given before, or after?

[QUOTE=Pita123]Next thing you'll know you'll walk into Annies or Nataree and find NicFrenchy and TansakKTV sitting in the FB with a number on their dress.[/QUOTE]

If they do and God help us all, but I hope they will shave their legs if they plan to get pick. It won't be me and they shouldn't take it personally.

LBM

[QUOTE=Pita123]C'mon man, you met them. You think they could make it as sideliners? Hell, for that matter could you or I make it as a sideliner? The other sideliners would move to the other side of the room.[/QUOTE]

You know for fact I am model quality even if my english is no good. What did Soap Fan say to me one day... I talk English like an Isaan Bar Girl if I recall correctly :D .

Now Frenchy... well... I have some reports as a bunch of guys went out tonight. We all went home with ladies except of course Frenchy :D He went home to hug his ladyboy clothes. Every girl who waved to him or tried to talk to him he said NO NO NO NO. Hum... I am a little suspicious.

A good first report is that 4 ISG guys are sitting in a go go bar, Three guys are looking at the ladies. Frenchy happens to be sitting next to me. All of us were looking at girls and pointing out certain ladies characteristics and I said joking to Frenchy... hey there is handsum man and his face immediately light up and asked me "WHERE" 100% truth !!!!!!!!!!!

A sad second report is that today I took out a girl, she was full of promises and yes can do, no problem etc... Frenchy warned her what was going to take place but she not believe. After I finish two times she asked me if I could give her taxi money and forget the long time and if she could leave early. I paid her short time as she did some extra services.

A third report is three ISG guys hit up Poseidon today and I remember why I hate soapies. However my ex TGF and I started to make up and did the old rabbitology right before hitting the soapie so a full on sex session with Mrs. Rabbit took the edge off.

However running some risks, I had my freebie MP girl in the room from the night before, and she stayed in my room before I went to meet my ex TGF. This girl folded towels, made the bed, did my laundry, did the dishes, everything. So when I took the ex TGF to the room it looked normal even though housekeeping had not been there yet.

After the TGF left there was blood on the bed and now I got a friggin note to see the duty manager to go over the payment options as I guess I just bought the damn thing :D

A fourth report is that a few ISG guys went to Queen Victoria over by Cowboy and I tried to sweet talk the waitresses but got blasted out of the water by them (one I know for many years and like her a lot).

So basically... my freebie MP was given a call by me and she is on her way over now after the LT girl ran away at ST, it is 2:30 am and it is her B day today so I got her a card and gifts waiting for her arrival. As I am such a sweet guy :D

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]After the TGF left there was blood on the bed and now I got a friggin note to see the duty manager to go over the payment options as I guess I just bought the damn thing :D[/QUOTE]
Time of the month or did you break her? ;)

[QUOTE=Sonic Bam]Time of the month or did you break her? ;)[/QUOTE]

His tool must have hurt her. Always happens with girls not used to longer tools...

[QUOTE=Sonic Bam]Time of the month or did you break her? ;)[/QUOTE]

We haven't seen each other in two and a half months or so and we went an hour or so straight, I'm not a clock watcher and she's physical as you know ;) Wasn't much and she sure was not complaining.

Funny thing is that she told me to hide it, yeah right... :D

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Funny thing is that she told me to hide it, yeah right... :D[/QUOTE]

But you were hiding it. Hiding that salami that is.

When I come into Bangkok I try to bring various items, chocolate, perfume, teddy bears (animals and the night clothes), etc.... simple items, nothing massively expensive. But the girls like it and I give some chocolate to housekeeping (and tip them well :D ).

Called over a MP girl I know and I knew it was her B Day. The day I was at Central world I picked up a B Day card and a gift wrap. The girl came over on her B Day and she had a gift of a teddy bear (animal and night dress), chocolates, and a bottle of perfume with a nice card.

She cried long and hard. No one has given her happy Birthday like this before to her. She is working an MP in Bangkok, her kids are up in Isaan, she has many friends and had plans to go out that night with her friends but she had no guy do anything nice for her on her B Day except some arse hole monger named Tansak KTV.

So now on this simple act that cost me little, she will remember forever, she gave me great sex out that. And I will guarantee that I got a girl for the rest of my life to take care of me in BKK.

Just my POV.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]When I come into Bangkok I try to bring various items, chocolate, perfume, teddy bears (animals and the night clothes), etc.... simple items, nothing massively expensive. But the girls like it and I give some chocolate to housekeeping (and tip them well :D ).

Called over a MP girl I know and I knew it was her B Day. The day I was at Central world I picked up a B Day card and a gift wrap. The girl came over on her B Day and she had a gift of a teddy bear (animal and night dress), chocolates, and a bottle of perfume with a nice card.

She cried long and hard. No one has given her happy Birthday like this before to her. She is working an MP in Bangkok, her kids are up in Isaan, she has many friends and had plans to go out that night with her friends but she had no guy do anything nice for her on her B Day except some arse hole monger named Tansak KTV.

So now on this simple act that cost me little, she will remember forever, she gave me great sex out that. And I will guarantee that I got a girl for the rest of my life to take care of me in BKK.

Just my POV.[/QUOTE]And to think we all thought the Magnificient was just a huge mass of pulsatile muscle tissue extending from the pelvis to between his ears! But the man has a heart and sensitivities too. Will keep discovering. Tansak, just hope the guys who have been voluble on tipping dont jump on your back.

I liked this post of yours.

PS( Psssh! Between you, me and the lamppost, this coming 18 times in a few hours is true or not?)

This has been said to me many times hehe.

Anyone have any special, perhaps medicated, shampoo to have the dual purpose of keeping the ol' weiner fresh and also assisting in fighting the nasty germies?

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]A good first report is that 4 ISG guys are sitting in a go go bar, Three guys are looking at the ladies. Frenchy happens to be sitting next to me. All of us were looking at girls and pointing out certain ladies characteristics and I said joking to Frenchy... hey there is handsum man and his face immediately light up and asked me "WHERE" 100% truth !!!!!!!!!!! [/QUOTE]

It actually is a little distortion from the truth... but I'll let you have your minute of fun.

You said "there's a man!" and I got thinking there was a man on the stage so, by curiosity, I asked: "where"?

that's all there is to it. ;)

yesterday met up with f and t, two other isgers. it was an unusual day where t was away from his normal girls and i was influenced to go to places other than what i might have alone.

first up a soapy. f wanted to try poseidon. in the past i have been unlucky at poseidon, never managing to find a superstar and also finding the models on the 3rd floor unattractive.

this time, spotted a slimmish but curvy girl with a narrow face. and called her number. t was stunned. i am normally slow to choose and i had called the number when he had barely sat down. f was also surprised saying he liked the same girl. however shortly he chose a very sexy girl who just arrived that i also liked a lot.

t’s girl was ordinary looking to my personal taste. my girl was called naam (water). only a cups but very nice ones.

a few compliments from me about her amazing bottom and small waist seemed to do the trick. she liked me and was hot for it.

the bathing was getting far too out of control. it seemed i was about to be raped in the bath so dashed out quickly for a condom.

was the best session i ever had at poseidon and definitely added to my repeat list. ymmv depending on the chemistry.

later we checked out the models on 3rd floor and found a few cuties. the standard of girls has gone up a lot since a year and a half ago. i think this is the same everywhere. bad economic times have led more great girls into the mp or bar game and there are less customers. many fabulous girls have only been working p4p for a few months.

i had plans for several girls in suzie wong but my friends influenced me to go in baccara. for some unknown reason we headed upstairs to the school girls area. they were all very plain in my opinion so i insisted we return downstairs to where there are several pretty girls.

there were two girls i had liked from a previous visit but not yet met. called the pretty, slim one gung (shrimp) over. she was very playful and comes from sisaket.
been working bar for 4 months. meanwhile another well known isger, n showed up.

f also called over a girl i liked but she wasn’t very animated and so he later chose another with big tits. there were actually several girls that i liked including one with huge wide slung natural looking d cups. but my girl with very little tits was so nice, i stuck with her and started stealing wet juicy kisses from time to time. a few tequilas were getting her worked up.

to cut a long story short, my girl liked teasing and kept threatening to go home because my dick was bigger than what she was used to. but it was just play. she turned out to be one of the best movers on the bed that i can remember. very animated, a wonderful kisser (non smoker), and very orgasmic. i felt like the sex was just too good to consider stopping it.

eventually allowed her to sleep but set the alarm for a morning session. i score her body 7 (almost no tits but great tight bum), face 8.5, kissing 10, bbbj 6 (too strong for me), general sex play 10.

best bar girl sex i had for years. fuck the ordinary blow-job. who cares when the pussy is so good?

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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]It actually is a little distortion from the truth... but I'll let you have your minute of fun.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]It actually is a little distortion from the truth... but I'll let you have your minute of fun.

You said "there's a man!" and I got thinking there was a man on the stage so, by curiosity, I asked: "where"?

that's all there is to it. ;)[/QUOTE]Mr NF,

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[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]When I come into Bangkok I try to bring various items, chocolate, perfume, teddy bears (animals and the night clothes), etc.... simple items, nothing massively expensive. But the girls like it and I give some chocolate to housekeeping (and tip them well :D ).

Called over a MP girl I know and I knew it was her B Day. The day I was at Central world I picked up a B Day card and a gift wrap. The girl came over on her B Day and she had a gift of a teddy bear (animal and night dress), chocolates, and a bottle of perfume with a nice card.

She cried long and hard. No one has given her happy Birthday like this before to her. She is working an MP in Bangkok, her kids are up in Isaan, she has many friends and had plans to go out that night with her friends but she had no guy do anything nice for her on her B Day except some arse hole monger named Tansak KTV.

So now on this simple act that cost me little, she will remember forever, she gave me great sex out that. And I will guarantee that I got a girl for the rest of my life to take care of me in BKK.

Just my POV.[/QUOTE]
It's refreshing to see a monger being respectful to a BG. A little bit of niceness can go a long way.

There are reports how we all manage to get a freebie and have great sex with her but here is a story from last week of "Freebie gone bad".

Met this girl (G1) online. She added me to facebook and was really friendly. We met Wed evening for a few drinks. Turns out she was only one Soi away from me in Sukumvith. I was staying at Soi 1 and she worked in Soi 3. We met on Soi 3 and went to Gullivers. Had some finger food and couple of cocktails. I told her I had a conf call I had to get back to but I had Vodka in my room we could drink the next day. She immediately wanted to come over. I had to politely say No as I had another girl (G2) lined up for 8 pm. After our drinks our ways parted and suggested she come over the next evening to my hotel lobby as they have happy hour from 6pm to 7pm. I met the G2 at 8pm; light dinner (no drinks) back to my room and had three rounds with her before she left in the morning at 6am for work :)

Met the G1 from the previous night again; she was at my hotel by 6:15pm. We had 2 beers each and then migrated to my room for Vodka/Juice. Poured ourselves a nice strong one. Chatted for about 45 minutes while sitting on the sofa in the room. She was soon straddeling me cow girl on the couch and her top was off. Kissing and nipple sucking. We were really getting into it. Picked her up and dumped her into bed naked. I stripped as well and we were kissing all over. She asked if I had a condom and I pointed to the sealed box that is provided by the hotel. I did not want to reveal the mega pack I carry with me ;)

So we are caressing each other. I did not want to go down on her as her pussy was a little to hairy for me. I wanted her to give me a BJ to get me just hard to start to fucker her. I asked her if she could suck me.... she said no. Asked her again and she said no. I didn't say anything after that. A minute later she gets up and says: what are you doing!. why are you doing this to me, I thought you were a nice guy. I dont like it when a man controls me. I look at her stunned. WTF???

Then she goes on repeats the same stuff and says, "Why did you grab my hair, I dont want a man to control me". Grab her hair!!! I do that all the time playfully with a girl. Apparently the hair grab ticked her off for some reason. It was about 10pm now, she got dressed and left.

Yheesh! what a turn of events. I SMSed her right after; said sorry twice. She replied and said: I want to forget about and and I think you were really drunk, so its ok.

We chatted the next day. It was like it never happened. We met for lunch and chit chatted and did not mention the previous night at all. She wanted to party on Friday night with me. I declined as one of my freebies from Jakarta was going to be in town Friday night and want to go hang with her.

You win some, you loose some. Will let her pull my hair next time ;)

-JM

[QUOTE=JoseMarti]
So we are caressing each other. I did not want to go down on her as her pussy was a little to hairy for me. I wanted her to give me a BJ to get me just hard to start to fucker her. I asked her if she could suck me.... she said no. Asked her again and she said no. I didn't say anything after that. A minute later she gets up and says: what are you doing!. why are you doing this to me, I thought you were a nice guy. I dont like it when a man controls me. I look at her stunned. WTF???

Then she goes on repeats the same stuff and says, "Why did you grab my hair, I dont want a man to control me". Grab her hair!!! I do that all the time playfully with a girl. Apparently the hair grab ticked her off for some reason. It was about 10pm now, she got dressed and left.[/QUOTE]
I have a few comments.

Unfortunately guys that have not been in Thailand a long time, can get into trouble with Thai customs. Happens to us all. Touching a girl's head or hair is a risky one due to Thai custom considering the head as sacred. So not a great idea on a girl you don't know well. But often no problem. Just depends on the girl.

P4P girls will routinely give blow-jobs but not all. Non P4P are not guaranteed. There are girls who don't like it especially if uncircumsized and did not shower to clean perfection beforehand. Some will only do covered BJs.
She probably had some bastard come in her mouth with no warning/permission on a previous date and is now vary wary.

You didn't want to do DATY and got no blow-job. That's sort of justice.

Would be better approach to focus on getting the girl very turned on first and then accept whatever she wants to do for you. After all, you are not paying for it!

In the end, you probably met a difficult and touchy girl. I knew a gorgeous problematic girl who worked at Long Gun. Never managed to have a really great time with her, sexually, no matter how hard I tried to fit in with her ways. There are always plenty of other girls that will be no problem.

After spending an morning with the freebie MP girl and the afternoon with the ex TGF, went out last night, did not see much that made the little rabbit jump up and down. Could easily take any girl and screw them of course. Went to a few bars and ended up getting a call from the 23 year old from before that only was in town short time. She went home, we had a few sms back and forth and she came back to BKK and wanted to come over to see me.

So obviously she ran home, spent the money, now is back for more but what do I care she was a nice kid and we had fun, she knew what to expect from me, so why not. Told her to come to Shark at Cowboy where we were and she did. Talked to her a little and heard about what she did at home and what she wanted to do for the night and deal was struck.

Saved me the bar fine (but I could care less about that), she was a cute kid, she knew what I enjoy and do not enjoy (not much I do not enjoy :D ) and this time I got more "specials" out of her then the first time and more shots on goal then last time.

It is always refreshing to be with a young new girl in the game with some energy. Taking her to breakfast this morning, spending time with her, you can tell she is not in the game at all as she has no clue on hotels how they operate, locations, names of places in bangkok, etc... I'm being more of a guide to bangkok for her then she knows even the bars on soi cowboy she has no clue about other then the one she worked at for a few days.

She wants to see me tonight but some ISG guys have appointments this afternoon at the flower shop, then don't know what will come up next tonight. Would not classify this girl as a freebie as I pay her cash still and we negotiated the bottom line, but with the specials she provided (two specific ones come to mind) I would say she is not far from being in the gik category. Especially with the reaction to doing those "specials" :D

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]...some ISG guys have appointments this afternoon at the flower shop...

...she is not far from being in the gik category...[/QUOTE]Appointments at the flower shop? Is that code for something?

GIK definitely is, but I haven't heard that one before

[QUOTE=Wendella]appointments at the flower shop? Is that code for something?

GIK definitely is, but I haven't heard that one before[/QUOTE]I hate defining thai words but will do my best as really OTH or others are better for this.

GIK started out as boyfriend girl friend, then over time it evolved to a Gik being someone other then your girl friend, could be a part time lover, and some take it to mean someone only for sexual pleasure.

It is not a mia noy (second wife, mistress) as there is an exchange of mutual needs between a guy and his gik. A dinner, a show, going to movie, and she gives the guy sex. A mia noy is more dependent upon the financial aspects from the guy to support her fully and she is literally his second wife. A gik is more a part time and occasional get together type relationship and they can fade in and out of your life for a while.

For example there is an girl I knew from a long time ago and she called me up to see if I have time for her. I know taking her out will involve me buying her some items and I am sure she will perform sexual favors for me in return. That is a gik. If you break it down, I am paying her for sex but not in cash in her hand. She is looking for something and I am looking for something so we use each other to get what we want.

OK you experts of thailand and thai culture... how was the description was it defined properly?

Flower Shop = yeah read the forum it's pretty easy to figure out. It is a MP shop. That should solve it for you :D

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]When I come into Bangkok I try to bring various items, chocolate, perfume, teddy bears (animals and the night clothes), etc.... simple items, nothing massively expensive. But the girls like it and I give some chocolate to housekeeping (and tip them well :D ).


So now on this simple act that cost me little, she will remember forever, she gave me great sex out that. And I will guarantee that I got a girl for the rest of my life to take care of me in BKK.

Just my POV.[/QUOTE]I've found the little unexpected gift works wonders specially for the ladies who don't tend to get gifts.

A second hand phone, to a gal in Manila is still ensuring me pleasure from 18 months back. The "free gift" digital cam from Natl Geographic had same effect. Chocolates are ok but something with the girls name on (embroidered panties once) have a David Copperfield effect. Cheap and easy to do, but it always seems to get to the girls heart. And somehow quickly to her warmer parts.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]...Taking her to breakfast this morning, spending time with her, you can tell she is not in the game at all as she has no clue on hotels how they operate, locations, names of places in bangkok, etc...[/QUOTE]
Hahahahaha ... and you believed that?

[QUOTE=JoseMarti]There are reports how we all manage to get a freebie and have great sex with her but here is a story from last week of "Freebie gone bad".

.....We chatted the next day. It was like it never happened. We met for lunch and chit chatted and did not mention the previous night at all. She wanted to party on Friday night with me. I declined as one of my freebies from Jakarta was going to be in town Friday night and want to go hang with her.

You win some, you loose some. Will let her pull my hair next time ;)

-JM[/QUOTE]

Interesting story! Bit of a weird excerience:
Seems she has some problems in discerning things and better go with a more safe date.
So next time you will let her pull her hair, but also you will refuse to DATY her!

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I hate defining thai words but will do my best as really OTH or others are better for this.

GIK ...........
.... A gik is more a part time and occasional get together type relationship and they can fade in and out of your life for a while.

....:D[/QUOTE]
but the key question is: do you tip her? LOL

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]OK you experts of thailand and thai culture... how was the description was it defined properly? [/quote]

YEs sir, you have, however a gik relationship is not always based on sexual needs. For example, in my office, a lady calls her "GIK" the guy she eats with. She just tells that she hates eating alone so she has a Gik for eating company.

For the Flower Shop.... see attached

[QUOTE=Wendella]Appointments at the flower shop? Is that code for something?[/QUOTE]Indeed :):
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=812976&postcount=334[/url]

Hello guys,

Every body know akane x2 and sazanka

But some of you know this one:

[url]http://jjbkk.client.jp/[/url]

And as it's all in japanese:

Is it good? (need update advice)

(here an old post see paragraph 3.3)

[post]659351[/post]

What is their offer?

Do they have an english website?

Happy hunting

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]YEs sir, you have, however a gik relationship is not always based on sexual needs. For example, in my office, a lady calls her "GIK" the guy she eats with. She just tells that she hates eating alone so she has a Gik for eating company.[/QUOTE]

You mean she has sex with some guy just so he'll eat with her?

[QUOTE=Opebo]You mean she has sex with some guy just so he'll eat with her?[/QUOTE]Once upon a time, in a land far far away.

OK, ok, not that many years ago. In Chiang Mai, and all of Thailand in general: If you fed a nice meal to a friendly girl that you had known for a while, (gik), she literally bent over backwards to make you happy. She served you, spoon fed you, etc. If you were cavalier enough, this normally included a quickie trip to a cheap drive in 'bungalow' (motel), w/private garage and a sliding door hastily closed by a well greased attendant (making absolutely sure that your car wasn't seen.) This was SOP. (Those of you who have lived here long enough know exactly what I mean and the places I am talking about, they are still everywhere. And, for those who haven't been here since then. You should have been here yesterday, you REALLY missed it.)

And they all lived happily ever after.

The End

Now, ramp up your imagination, this is not a part of normal Western mentality. 'Gik' has a connotation similar to kissin' friends, not really a "love" relationship per se. But, you play your cards right, you get freebies all the time. Thai style.

[QUOTE=Opebo]You mean she has sex with some guy just so he'll eat with her?[/QUOTE]
Yes, she'll have sex with some guy just so he'll eat her!

[QUOTE=Bionicman]but the key question is: do you tip her? LOL[/QUOTE]

I tip for everything :D :D

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]For the Flower Shop.... [/QUOTE]

Had an interesting experience for the flower shop, will share it someway so not to get folks into trouble I hope soon :D

[QUOTE=Mouse1]Indeed :):
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=812976&postcount=334[/url][/QUOTE]

Now that is cheating.... you give it away like that but I can still see people not understanding ;)

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]OK you experts of thailand and thai culture... how was the description was it defined properly?
:D[/QUOTE]
I think that this article says it best....

[url]http://www.thaiskale.com/journal/gig-kik-gik-lovers-in-thailand-thai-casual-polygamy-sexual-culture-%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5-%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%8A%E0%B8%81/[/url]

[QUOTE=Barko]Now, ramp up your imagination, this is not a part of normal Western mentality. 'Gik' has a connotation similar to kissin' friends, not really a "love" relationship per se. But, you play your cards right, you get freebies all the time. Thai style.[/QUOTE]
Elsewhere it can be referred to as 'a friend with privileges'.

I would add that the social pressures from family etc with the conventional boyfriend / girlfreind relationship can be very strong. This seems to be another motivation for the lighter "gik" relationship.

[QUOTE=David 2]I think that this article says it best....

[url]http://www.thaiskale.com/journal/gig-kik-gik-lovers-in-thailand-thai-casual-polygamy-sexual-culture-%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5-%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%8A%E0%B8%81/[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pita123]Elsewhere it can be referred to as 'a friend with privileges'.[/QUOTE]Sort of like that, yeah.

When I first heard the term 'Gik', it only applied to guys. She said it like I was her 'gik-low-aah', meaning "gigalo", but all screwed up like she had read the word but then completely mispronounced it.

BTW, this gik thing is incredibly prevalent in Thailand, and most farangs have no clue as to how many of their honeys are banging Thai guy giks in the background. So, these back door Thai guys are singularly referred to as the Thai girl's "Gik". (And you had better believe that that both sides definitely do brag about it to their friends, in fact they brag about it a lot! )

Now, by some sort of naturally convoluted Thai osmosis, the term can mean almost anything.

Want to make Thai girls laugh? Figure out a way to fit the word 'Gik' into any conversation, works like a charm.

[QUOTE=Barko]Want to make Thai girls laugh? Figure out a way to fit the word 'Gik' into any conversation, works like a charm.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely! actually I used it at Oilies and once the girls learn that you have a "gik" they almost always offer to become one themselves.

Anyway, Barko, you should be careful when you talk about thai culture, people don't like it so much over here... they will complain to Jackson adn soon enough you'll end up like OTH.

Better stick to what is the Cheapest ST on Sukh (or similar....) that way, the ignorant masses will be happy

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Absolutely! actually I used it at Oilies and once the girls learn that you have a "gik" they almost always offer to become one themselves.[/QUOTE]

Sure they will, if you are a pretty boy like NicFrenchy.

[QUOTE=Pita123]Sure they will, if you are a pretty boy like NicFrenchy.[/QUOTE]

boy? oh my, I always thought that a few hair on my ass could make me pass for a man... (a handsome one, of corse) ;)

[QUOTE=Maphrao]
But some of you know this one:

[url]http://jjbkk.client.jp/[/url]

And as it's all in japanese:

[/QUOTE]
[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=JJ+Fashion+MP,+Fun+Massage,+Bangkok&sll=13.727462,100.580757&sspn=0.01209,0.015106&gl=au&ie=UTF8&ll=13.735258,100.579834&spn=0.024179,0.030212&z=15[/url]

[url]http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&langpair=ja|en&u=http://www.raku2.tv/mbdetail_massage.php%3Fid%3DR010344[/url]

[url]http://66.102.11.132/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://www.gdiary.com/ShopDetails.asp%3FID%3D73&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhjyCvEwj5grVBPbTDVHqyNhfWwEcg[/url]

I found this video on another site. Is this an ISG member?

[url]http://www.totallycrap.com/videos/videos_british_man_gets_knocked_out_in_bangkok/[/url]

[QUOTE=Moose350]I found this video on another site. Is this an ISG member?

[url]http://www.totallycrap.com/videos/videos_british_man_gets_knocked_out_in_bangkok/[/url][/QUOTE]

It's a good video but old news here after being posted about three times in as many months now.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]It's a good video but old news here after being posted about three times in as many months now.[/QUOTE]And I am pretty sure its not Thailand but the Phils.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]boy? oh my, I always thought that a few hair on my ass could make me pass for a man... (a handsome one, of corse) ;)[/QUOTE]

Hum... maybe that hair on your ass is from another man ;)

[QUOTE=Moose350]I found this video on another site. Is this an ISG member?

[url]http://www.totallycrap.com/videos/videos_british_man_gets_knocked_out_in_bangkok/[/url][/QUOTE]

Tanks, however methinks that video's a fake.

[QUOTE=Michi]And I am pretty sure its not Thailand but the Phils.[/QUOTE]

No, it's Thailand! The lady in the video screaming "stop" is speaking Thai.

[QUOTE=Moose350]I found this video on another site. Is this an ISG member?

[url]http://www.totallycrap.com/videos/videos_british_man_gets_knocked_out_in_bangkok/[/url][/QUOTE]

There are some places you shouldn't be messing around, be it Thailand or anywhere else.

At Samui I only found one place like this, but surely once I finished my beer never went back.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]No, it's Thailand! The lady in the video screaming "stop" is speaking Thai.[/QUOTE]She's screaming "enough, enough".

[QUOTE=Dardo]There are some places you shouldn't be messing around, be it Thailand or anywhere else.

At Samui I only found one place like this, but surely once I finished my beer never went back.[/QUOTE]Agressive arseholes like these deserve what they get. Hope he had some travel insurance to get his teeth fixed up

I'll be arriving in Bangkok in 31 days (can't wait). I'll obviously have plenty of fun in the bars, but I was wondering if anyone has had any success arranging "dates" with GTGs on the internet?

[QUOTE=Soilord]She's screaming "enough, enough".[/QUOTE]


Same, Same! Point is, she was speaking Thai not Tagalog!

Deserve it or not, bad behavior regardless of the reason. Surely he had too much to drink. Maybe he wanted his Barfine back? Definitely Thai, one voice was saying La-gone, which is leaving might even mean out?

Was the guy saying who wants some or bring it on and then.... he got sucker punched? and did the guy run away after that?


LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]...and then.... he got sucker punched? and did the guy run away after that?...[/QUOTE]
Yes, he got sucker punched; then kicked full in the face on his way to the floor; and finally kicked visciously twice in the head while he was down and out.

And yes, the little coward who cold cocked him ran away.

Not a very fair fight IMHO. This is why I try to keep a low profile in the LOS.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Yes, he got sucker punched; then kicked full in the face on his way to the floor; and finally kicked visciously twice in the head while he was down and out.

And yes, the little coward who cold cocked him ran away.

Not a very fair fight IMHO. This is why I try to keep a low profile in the LOS.[/QUOTE]SOP Thailand, I was kind of surprised that there weren't 5 or 6 more guys doing the flip-flop cha-cha on the dude after he was down & out. Also SOP LOS. (They must have known it was being vdo'd)

The guy was arguing about a drink he said he paid for and never got. Expensive drink (that he still didn't get.)

Raising your voice to Thais never amounts to anything good.

[QUOTE=JoseMarti]There are reports how we all manage to get a freebie and have great sex with her but here is a story from last week of "Freebie gone bad".[/QUOTE]

Alcohol and TG not always good combination. This girl in not a WG - different standard - sometimes applicable to TGs who occasionally freelance.

[QUOTE=JoseMarti]I didn't say anything after that. A minute later she gets up and says: what are you doing!. why are you doing this to me, I thought you were a nice guy. I dont like it when a man controls me.[/QUOTE]

Oh not the silent treatment - they can be passive aggressive with you, but the other way round .... not on.

[QUOTE=JoseMarti]Then she goes on repeats the same stuff and says, "Why did you grab my hair, I dont want a man to control me". Grab her hair!!! I do that all the time playfully with a girl. Apparently the hair grab ticked her off for some reason. It was about 10pm now, she got dressed and left.[/QUOTE]

So the hair is special (sometimes) - ask permission to touch hair, to kiss etc. In response, TGs usually sort of pout at you, you a short rock of the head from side to side and say: Yeeess! They feel like they are in control, I think.

[QUOTE=JoseMarti]Yheesh! what a turn of events. I SMSed her right after; said sorry twice. She replied and said: I want to forget about and and I think you were really drunk, so its ok.[/QUOTE]
She gives you the chance not to lose face, saves face herself. Being drunk is not cool in the LOS.

[QUOTE=Barko]SOP Thailand, I was kind of surprised that there weren't 5 or 6 more guys doing the flip-flop cha-cha on the dude after he was down & out. Also SOP LOS. (They must have known it was being vdo'd)

The guy was arguing about a drink he said he paid for and never got. Expensive drink (that he still didn't get.)

Raising your voice to Thais never amounts to anything good.[/QUOTE]I saw the video and it was very unpleasant! His behaviour was uncouth and uncivil, but the response was inappropriate; no, thats a mild word, it was Barbaric. This shows that these folks take strength in numbers, and gain courage from. Were he alone, the Thai would not have dared it. There runs a streak of cowardice and hysteria amongst the Thais.

I do not expect many to agree, but I see some animosity amongst these people towards farangs. They may be earning a good livelihood, in manners diverse, from the farang tourists. Their ways of earning that kind of money is perverted and they hate the farangs for that. An important reason would be seeing their women being used in the rampant sex industry, mutual consent notwithstanding.

I don't want to sound prophetic or ominous, but over years to come you are bound to see some serious changes in attitude amongst the Thais, and especially towards sexual adventurism.

I would be keen to hear the opinions of guys who have spent many years in these parts.

[QUOTE=Suntangh R]
I don't want to sound prophetic or ominous, but over years to come you are bound to see some serious changes in attitude amongst the Thais, and especially towards sexual adventurism.
[/QUOTE]

What kind of serious change? How many years is in "over years to come?"

[QUOTE=Suntangh R]
I do not expect many to agree, but I see some animosity amongst these people towards farangs. They may be earning a good livelihood, in manners diverse, from the farang tourists. Their ways of earning that kind of money is perverted and they hate the farangs for that. An important reason would be seeing their women being used in the rampant sex industry, mutual consent notwithstanding.
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Its great that women have a means of making ends meet through selling sex. Otherwise they would be very poor and many are. Sex industry is also for Thai men if they can afford it.
Old guys get to experience young hot girls that they never would have had in a more puritanical place.
Plenty of Thai girls reach orgasm showing that they can enjoy their work too, even if not all the time.

[Quote]
I don't want to sound prophetic or ominous, but over years to come you are bound to see some serious changes in attitude amongst the Thais, and especially towards sexual adventurism.

I would be keen to hear the opinions of guys who have spent many years in these parts.[/QUOTE]
Things change suprisingly little over 15 years other than the price.

[QUOTE=Suntangh R]...An important reason would be seeing their women being used in the rampant sex industry, mutual consent notwithstanding.

I don't want to sound prophetic or ominous, but over years to come you are bound to see some serious changes in attitude amongst the Thais, and especially towards sexual adventurism.

I would be keen to hear the opinions of guys who have spent many years in these parts.[/QUOTE]

Well I have spent many years so, and I can tell you, the Thais who matter - middle class and above, couldn't care less what dark-skinned Isaan girls do. They are so far below them in the social scale they simply don't identify with them at all. Which is really why the whole for-farang sex industry has been allowed to develop. They're basically renting us what they consider to be their livestock. It would be as if a foreign element were coming to the USA to fuck black women - do you really think that the dominant group would feel someone were 'stealing their women'. No.

Of course Thai men have their own type of prostitutes, but they tend to be totally different from ours - they like a totally different type. Most are from the North or homegrown (central Thai), and they tend to cost much more than ours do. They have very light skin, look demure, are very young, and provide no service. The typical Thai middle class man would find our girls unbearable crass and low, and no amount of pornographic service would make up for this. He fantasizes about forcibly deflowering a 'good' girl from a decent background, or a reasonable facsimile thereof. What we do in Pattaya is seen as not unlike smearing ourselves with shit by the middle class Thai.

However they do feel embarrassed that Pattaya exists, and it is most definitely under threat. If the poors from Isaan all went to Sihanoukville to make money draining farangs, Thais wouldn't be nearly so embarrassed about it, I suspect.

As for what ordinary working-class Isaan men feel about it I couldn't say, as I have never known any of those.

Jackson,

That video was posted over 3 months ago, and discussed in detail, so why is it allowed back again with all its related discussion ?

We now have people asking opinions about Thailand.

Can all this "rubbish" be moved off the Bangkok reports thread, and into the "Expat Section" where they can discuss Thai's and Thai's Girls and Politics and Opinions and Fighting and everything else they want, and not clog up the threads over here.

[QUOTE=Suntangh R]I saw the video and it was very unpleasant! His behaviour was uncouth and uncivil, but the response was inappropriate; no, thats a mild word, it was Barbaric. This shows that these folks take strength in numbers, and gain courage from. Were he alone, the Thai would not have dared it. There runs a streak of cowardice and hysteria amongst the Thais.

I do not expect many to agree, but I see some animosity amongst these people towards farangs. They may be earning a good livelihood, in manners diverse, from the farang tourists. Their ways of earning that kind of money is perverted and they hate the farangs for that. An important reason would be seeing their women being used in the rampant sex industry, mutual consent notwithstanding.

I don't want to sound prophetic or ominous, but over years to come you are bound to see some serious changes in attitude amongst the Thais, and especially towards sexual adventurism.

I would be keen to hear the opinions of guys who have spent many years in these parts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Suntangh R]I do not expect many to agree, but I see some animosity amongst these people towards farangs.[/QUOTE]Gee, ya think? (I was going to say a whole bunch of sarcastic stuff here, but I'll spare you this time.)

Since Thaksin Shinawatra took office as Prime Minister of Thailand some years ago, the name of the game has been xenophobia towards farangs. (Thaksin lived in America, and knows what happens when you have equalization of the masses. He was not amused.) It did NOT used to be that way.

It is indeed getting worse, much worse, and many old fart Thai guys I know don't know what to make of it. But, the reality of it all is based on keeping the poor people 'dick in the dirt' poor, and the rich riding in chauffeur driven Mercedes limos and fortified with princely sized bank accounts. Middle class Thailand is not real Thailand! (Pure Thaksin) Well now: Farangs do not like this idea at all, of course, and represent a strong opposing force to it. Ta Da! Presto! Simple as manufacturing a low class form of xenophobia based on strong ideas created by a corrupt Prime Minister for his supporting public. It is now nationwide.

I could go on and on about this, but it won't do anyone here any good. Just understand that it is now a part of life for Thais to have an underlayment of disregard and contempt of farangs. However, yes, this is just a very basic understanding of the "why", but it did essentially start with Thaksin Shinawatra.

Again, it did NOT used to be like this. Not even remotely. The Supreme Monarch of Thailand is an American, he has a US passport, and he speaks English perfectly with an mild Boston American accent. He loves America & Europe (and all of the west.) He is not the one controlling the country any more. You do the math.

[QUOTE=The Pro]Jackson,

That video was posted over 3 months ago, and discussed in detail, so why is it allowed back again with all its related discussion ?

We now have people asking opinions about Thailand.

Can all this "rubbish" be moved off the Bangkok reports thread, and into the "Expat Section" where they can discuss Thai's and Thai's Girls and Politics and Opinions and Fighting and everything else they want, and not clog up the threads over here.[/QUOTE]Improves your GK. Knowledge always improve class.

Why are you so quick on the draw?

[QUOTE=Barko]
Again, it did NOT used to be like this. Not even remotely. [/QUOTE]
What did it used to be like and when did this change take place?

[QUOTE=Opebo]

Of course Thai men have their own type of prostitutes, but they tend to be totally different from ours - they like a totally different type. Most are from the North or homegrown (central Thai), and they tend to cost much more than ours do................ What we do in Pattaya is seen as not unlike smearing ourselves with shit by the middle class Thai.

[/QUOTE]
I think a lot of foreginers like this type as well, but the thais don't make it easily available to farang. Kinda like in Japan.

Playing in the shit hole can be fun too. Kinda like being a kid again. Didn't really care if you got dirty!

bangkok post 1

arriving to bkk friday afternoon from hong kong. despite a nice night with a philippine girl i picked up at the amazonia club in wanchai i am getting excited before my first evening this trip in bangkok. she had recently been laid off from an electronics plant and had come to hong kong together with here cousin who had been here before. nice girl, very gf experience. nice natural tits to hold on to when fucking here from behind. good bj. tite pussy. gave here 1500 hkd – far to much – but she had a really good attitude. never asked for money.

stayed at the wifi hotel on 366 lockhart road. nice clean and no questions asked. booked through expedia.com.

well, in bkk and ready for exploration. the upgrade to business on the thai flight charged my battery.

i’m in bkk for business but not until tuesday apart for the visit to my tailor to pick up some new shirts and a suite and also to catch up on my email. by the way, if anyone wants a recommendation to a good tailor you are welcome to pm me. not the cheapest but good work and quality with affordable prices.

first evening was mostly bar hopping. went to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] for a bj – first experience for me – but not the last. it wasn’t very crowded. about 10-12 girls outside. learning from isg i didn’t decide on the youngest but a mid-range girl. didn’t catch her name. it was an average bbbj cim but i guess the experience with the bj bar concept made me extra excited so it didn’t take to long for me to come.

today i will go to my tailor and then maybe a massage.

keep you posted!

bangkok post 1

arriving to bkk friday afternoon from hong kong. despite a nice night with a philippine girl i picked up at the amazonia club in wanchai i am getting excited before my first evening this trip in bangkok. she had recently been laid off from an electronics plant and had come to hong kong together with here cousin who had been here before. nice girl, very gf experience. nice natural tits to hold on to when fucking here from behind. good bj. tite pussy. gave here 1500 hkd – far to much – but she had a really good attitude. never asked for money.

stayed at the wifi hotel on 366 lockhart road. nice clean and no questions asked. booked through expedia.com.

well, in bkk and ready for exploration. the upgrade to business on the thai flight charged my battery.

i’m in bkk for business but not until tuesday apart for the visit to my tailor to pick up some new shirts and a suite and also to catch up on my email. by the way, if anyone wants a recommendation to a good tailor you are welcome to pm me. not the cheapest but good work and quality with affordable prices.

first evening was mostly bar hopping. went to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] for a bj – first experience for me – but not the last. it wasn’t very crowded. about 10-12 girls outside. learning from isg i didn’t decide on the youngest but a mid-range girl. didn’t catch her name. it was an average bbbj cim but i guess the experience with the bj bar concept made me extra excited so it didn’t take to long for me to come.

today i will go to my tailor and then maybe a massage.

keep you posted!

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[QUOTE=Amjeck]I think a lot of foreginers like this type as well, but the thais don't make it easily available to farang. Kinda like in Japan.[/QUOTE]

Yes, lots of guys like that demure teen cutey type. As for me I hate that type - useless to me. I can't even fit my dick into them more often than not. But they're readily available if you're willing to pay the high price (and its the same high price the rich Thais pay).

[QUOTE=The Pro]Jackson,

That video was posted over 3 months ago, and discussed in detail, so why is it allowed back again with all its related discussion ?

We now have people asking opinions about Thailand.

Can all this "rubbish" be moved off the Bangkok reports thread, and into the "Expat Section" where they can discuss Thai's and Thai's Girls and Politics and Opinions and Fighting and everything else they want, and not clog up the threads over here.[/QUOTE]

You don't have to be embarrassed. It it is you in the video, just tell us.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]What did it used to be like and when did this change take place?[/QUOTE]

Perhaps by googling Thaksin you'll get an idea as to the timing.

[QUOTE=Masked Avenge]This has been said to me many times hehe.

Anyone have any special, perhaps medicated, shampoo to have the dual purpose of keeping the ol' weiner fresh and also assisting in fighting the nasty germies?[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I knew I remember reading a post about this but didn't have time to search for this until now. Soap Fan reports using Lactacyid (local and UK product I believe), I never tried it myself but use an antifungal pill if I need it.

"Lactacyid is a good local product to use to wash the crotch. It is very mildly acidic which protects against yeast and fungal infections (like thrush) otherwise easy to catch in humid climates. Normal soap is not good in the crotch area. Fungals love the alkalinity of soap."

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=485363&postcount=611[/url]

OMG... three years ago this was posted and I remember it... I should take up golf instead of mongering :D

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Sorry, I knew I remember reading a post about this but didn't have time to search for this until now. Soap Fan reports using Lactacyid (local and UK product I believe), I never tried it myself but use an antifungal pill if I need it.

"Lactacyid is a good local product to use to wash the crotch. It is very mildly acidic which protects against yeast and fungal infections (like thrush) otherwise easy to catch in humid climates. Normal soap is not good in the crotch area. Fungals love the alkalinity of soap."

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=485363&postcount=611[/url]

OMG... three years ago this was posted and I remember it... I should take up golf instead of mongering :D[/QUOTE]
Sorry I spelt the product name incorrectly.
Should have been Lactacyd (available in most Pharmacies and even in some 7-Eleven stores).
Although may appear intended for females (pink colouring on some bottles), a non perfumed variety is/was available.

It is very weakly acidic and used instead of soap helps keep away fungal things that can arise from sticky jocks due to heat and humidity. Alternatively you could vinegar in your bath but this is impractical.

I managed to get a fungal infection on early trip to Thailand. So now am careful. Change underwear often and when gets damp. Use Lactacyd instead of (or after) regular soap (or shower gel) in genital and arse region.

P.S. Sometimes guys have itchy crotch causes by fungals even if can't see anything. These can be passed on to the girl during sex. But she will be taking precautions too if smart.

Having found a freebie MP girl who can do the dirty with me as much as I enjoy… I’ve spent a lot of time with her and I’ve had to reconsider my Soapie type opinion. First of all, NicFrenchy saw this girl, she is older, higher 20’s pushing 30. She isn’t fat but she isn’t skinny either. When I get a chance I’ll see about posting a picture after I can edit some. I did talk to her about the postings and she at first said OK for her picture and number and shop to be listed but after we continued she asked not to post her picture or real name or name she works under. She is not lacking in customers that is for sure as her phone goes off more then my phone goes off but it is work asking her to come in for booking not customers directly reaching her. It’s nice when you get to a level in a relationship where both of you can open up your contacts and have conversations with other people while you are together :D She just left as she knows I have three girls coming over from Pattaya today to spend with me.

This lady, she irons my clothes, from shirts to socks to under ware. After walking back around town and I sit down at the desk she will get a cold towel and wash off my neck and face and such. She will massage my neck while I am typing. She gives me the first really enjoyable sopaie experience in the tub in the room (could be no time issues, could be it is not scripted, could be that we have chemistry, could be a lot of reasons but it really is the first super enjoyable sopaie experience I’ve had), she showers me completely, she makes me tea or coffee all the time, she gives me a half way decent regular massage on bed, etc… This lady just really takes care of you 100%. I’m not talking just sex, the sex is great she has skills off the chart. She started the action this morning earlier on her own and got me going like an 18 year old and I don’t need much help but dang if this lady does not just totally screw the hell out of you as you just lay there :D And hey, she made my bed before she left as she knows the other girls are coming over. Now that is service.

I tried to pay her before and she gave me the old story how I am insulting her. She told me that who she is with outside work is her business and that she chooses to come to spend time with me. Yes I had a booking with her to find her, but she came out on the side with me on her own. She just left my room now and last night we went shopping at Tesco for general life items for me (picked some items up for her also), earlier in the day we went over to Pantip, she shopped at Fashion Mall while I was over at Pantip, I did give her money to shop for some clothes, but before this I had not given her any money. And I gotta tell you, I’m 40, she is upper 20’s pushing 30, so our age is not like we are a 60 year old punter walking around with an 18 year old.

So now I have a regular girl at 4 MP’s in Bangkok that I can see on the outside or inside, today is the B Day for one of the girls (second MP girl this trip that has a B Day). It is a shame I won’t be able to make it as she promised a lot. But I should start to rethink my position on Soapies as having my nails cut by her and the constant attention has been pretty nice, also I love the fact that she knows I am a big butterfly and is accepting of this for now… and whoever ends up with these four girls will be well taken care of if they can get over the fact that they worked a MP / soapie before. These are all nice ladies, wish I could keep them all.

I’m sure many guys will attest to the way that Soapie girls can take care of a guy when they want to and it is outside work and they put forward all their job skills because they WANT to take care of guy. I might have to invest more time into soapies to find other girls like this. But I am seriously needing to get a booking agent as making time for all the girls is getting difficult and god am I tired lately. There also is something a little flattering about a girl who works with a customer, then wants to come over to have sex just for having good sex and enjoyment with you. At first I did not like the fact that she would want to come to me after finishing with a customer but after a while, she told me that I have sex with other girls so what is wrong with her working a job. She only works a job for money to support family. She asked me if I wanted to support her fully or if I wanted to enjoy a relationship with her? If I want to support her then OK she stop work, if I not want to support her then understand that it is only work for her and that is all it is. Hey, she has a point.

Will try to catch up on reports later after recovering…

Tansak KTV,

Wonder what happen to you after Pattaya, you kind of fell off the map thinking you fell in Love or something happen to you. Three girls from Pattaya coming to visit I guess think wasn't as bad in Pattaya after all still I know it's no Bangkok.

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Tansak KTV,

Wonder what happen to you after Pattaya, you kind of fell off the map thinking you fell in Love or something happen to you. Three girls from Pattaya coming to visit I guess think wasn't as bad in Pattaya after all still I know it's no Bangkok.

LBM[/QUOTE]

LBM... it was great to see you, I have a draft Pattaya report, but have been busy for a while. A few days in BKK before going to pattaya till now I've been kind of busy around the clock :D :D have a few reports to file still.

Three Pattaya Girls just showed up in BKK to visit with me, right after my MP girl left... My scheduling so far is perfect...

I have to admire all your actions with the girls. Just trying to figure out when you find time to work and sleep.

I have got to stop reading these reports. It is so hard to wait until I can visit Thailand.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Tanks, however methinks that video's a fake.[/QUOTE]

Many internet experts are calling it a fake too, if you search around. I'm not sure.

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]Many internet experts are calling it a fake too, if you search around. I'm not sure.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I am inclined to agree with Nic here, there is something about this thing that doesn't look right. The way the guy goes down for one, and the voices in the background don't sound right either.

In fact there are other reasons why it doesn't look like a real Thai takedown. Too clean. If you have experienced the real deal here before, you know it's not at all like this video clip. It's always dirty, sweaty, messy, blood, teeth, people yelling etc. Scary stuff.

This looks like it could have been staged.

Csun213,

The guy doesn't sleep! Sex is exercise for him that's why is lost a 100 lbs!

LBM

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]At first I did not like the fact that she would want to come to me after finishing with a customer but after a while, she told me that I have sex with other girls so what is wrong with her working a job. She only works a job for money to support family. She asked me if I wanted to support her fully or if I wanted to enjoy a relationship with her? If I want to support her then OK she stop work, if I not want to support her then understand that it is only work for her and that is all it is. Hey, she has a point.
[/QUOTE]
Yeh, and I thought her point was so obvious!
Too everyone: So don't be a jealous bestard!
Can't complain if she wants to see you for free!

But you are worried she might enjoy her work too much, right ;)? So what? Thai working girls can often enjoy a good fuck even if they claim its just for money. If they didn't enjoy it, and seemed just mechanical, I wouldn't bother with them.

The key point is you enjoy screwing with multiple girls and many girls enjoy screwing with multiple guys. Some believe they should have just one man (probably due to social brainwashing/conditioning and wanting to be considered a "good girl").

The nature of the beast (including humans) is to screw around. Trying to deny this is what causes most of the problems, right? The right path is too accept this. But since society doesn't accept it, watch out for the ducks.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]The guy doesn't sleep! Sex is exercise for him that's why is lost a 100 lbs![/QUOTE]

Well I can sleep at work or on the plane or other country where the girls are not so nice to me. And jing jing I did lose 100 lbs, Thailand is a great fitness plan :D

[QUOTE=Csun213]I have to admire all your actions with the girls. Just trying to figure out when you find time to work and sleep.

I have got to stop reading these reports. It is so hard to wait until I can visit Thailand.[/QUOTE]

I wait for when I am travelling or not mongering to read your reports ;) But why sleep or such when in LOS??? Seriously a few cat naps and keep going...

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Should have been Lactacyd (available in most Pharmacies and even in some 7-Eleven stores).[/QUOTE]

I just looked, at 7-eleven store and Pharmacy right by my hotel so should be all over if anyone is interested. There is a white bottle and a pink bottle that I saw. Pharmacy had a BIG bottle 7/11 only had little bottle.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]But you are worried she might enjoy her work too much, right ;)? [/QUOTE]

Actually no, I am not worried about it as I resolved this before in my mongering career. I have a few girls that I know or knew that want a good screw even if they are working. I just had a hard time of her screwing a customer then coming over immediately to screw me. I had a hold up in my head over this, the immediate screw and then come back to screw me. But since she showed me that I could screw a girl then come screw her then what is the difference.

The difference is that I usually pay for it (even if it is a gik) and I finish, and that she get's paid but rarely finishes. :D

She has actually been a great teacher even working on some more techniques with me :D . She does not mind me screwing other girls, just does not want me to screw her friends, asks that I do not ask her to do a lady show with her friends and me, and would rather I not screw in her shop. She did tell me she would want me to limit who i screw with but she told me she knows I will never be with one lady only.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]
She has actually been a great teacher even working on some more techniques with me :D . She does not mind me screwing other girls, just does not want me to screw her friends, asks that I do not ask her to do a lady show with her friends and me, and would rather I not screw in her shop. She did tell me she would want me to limit who i screw with but she told me she knows I will never be with one lady only.[/QUOTE]
I am always greatly indebted to my first Thai GF who gave me detailed tutoring on DATY, hopefully taking me from average into expert class.

I have also lerned a lot about G spot stimulation with Thai girls as victims. I am not sure the G spot have ever been heard of back when I was in early 20s.

It always possible to learn and keep improving.
But I learned long ago, its best to stick to one girl per venue, if you want to be treated really "special". Most girls (but not all) are psychologically affected if you screw her friends too.

There have been several (or many) times in our lives when we are very attracted to the girl's friend. I have mostly managed to persuade myself to leave this alone.

One ex-GF Nat was extremely jealous type and I really had the hots for her close friend Gae because of her pretty face and fantastic bubbly personality, even though Gae was somewhat overweight by my normal standards. This was a very tough trial which I survived, but always wondered if Gae would have been the better choice for a GF, despite never having tried her.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]It always possible to learn and keep improving.[/QUOTE]

This is always my thought... I'd like to learn more new each day :D

[QUOTE=Opebo]Well I have spent many years so, and I can tell you, the Thais who matter. Middle class and above, couldn't care less what dark-skinned Isaan girls do. They are so far below them in the social scale they simply don't identify with them at all. Which is really why the whole for-farang sex industry has been allowed to develop. They're basically renting us what they consider to be their livestock. It would be as if a foreign element were coming to the USA to fuck black women. Do you really think that the dominant group would feel someone were 'stealing their women'. No.

Of course Thai men have their own type of prostitutes, but they tend to be totally different from ours. They like a totally different type. Most are from the North or homegrown (central Thai), and they tend to cost much more than ours do. They have very light skin, look demure, are very young, and provide no service. The typical Thai middle class man would find our girls unbearable crass and low, and no amount of pornographic service would make up for this. He fantasizes about forcibly deflowering a 'good' girl from a decent background, or a reasonable facsimile thereof. What we do in Pattaya is seen as not unlike smearing ourselves with shit by the middle class Thai.

However they do feel embarrassed that Pattaya exists, and it is most definitely under threat. If the poors from Isaan all went to Sihanoukville to make money draining farangs, Thais wouldn't be nearly so embarrassed about it, I suspect.

As for what ordinary working-class Isaan men feel about it I couldn't say, as I have never known any of those.[/QUOTE]You are right opebo, but I noticed you just talk (voluntary or not? ) about middle class and upper class, as an experienced monger in Thailand, you know that low class of thai people, like factory workers, employee etc those with 5000 to 8000 baths a month can t afford the kind of the girls you describe. So, this people have also their own brothels, chicken farms filled mainly with illegal immigrants and Isaan girls, at very low prices, and here too it s totally different than farang scene

I think you will be agree with me if I said the farang scene is like a disneyland created especialy for them

Cheers

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Csun213,

The guy doesn't sleep! Sex is exercise for him that's why is lost a 100 lbs!

LBM[/QUOTE]

I think I am going to try what he does. It would be a great way to lose weight.;)

Hi all,

My first time in Thailand, and figured I would give a brief description of my first 2 nights here in Bangkok at the lovely Dawin Hotel, very close to the even lovelier Nana Plaza (this was coincidence. Pretty much booked a hotel at random).

Ok then, first night, after a long and tiring flight, I wandered down to the plaza at about 9pm. Walked around looking at all the shiny things for about a minute before a stunning girl approached me and offered to buy me a drink. Off to a good start here.

Instantly infatuated, I followed her to a seat at a bar in the middle of the ground floor (didn't get the name. Had better things to look at). She got me a drink as promised (Tiger. Lovely), and I offered to buy her one in return which she was very grateful for.

Anyway, we talked and drank for a while, I really liked her so I asked her to come back to my hotel for the night, and she eagerly accepted. Bar fine: 600baht. Drinks: 500baht. Tip for the guy in the bathroom: 20baht. She bought some nuts and oysters which we shared.

The subject of money never came up with her which I liked a lot. Real GFE from her. More so than even some of my past girlfriends I'm sorry to say.

Got back to the hotel, had a shower together and got straight to business. She had said earlier that she hadn't worked at that place for long, and I took this with a pinch of salt, but it showed through her inexperience. She said she had only been with three guys before and I wasn't hard-pressed to believe her. Anyway, she more than made up for this with enthusiasm and general cuteness. (I prefer an inexperienced girl to one who's been fucked so many times she no longer cares, personally).

Fucked her only once before going to sleep (but it was long). Woke up at the crack of dawn (jetlag) to fuck her again. Felt bad waking her up, but she got back to sleep soon enough.

Happily, she stayed all that day until she had to start work again at 5:30. Fucked her 6 times total.

She dolled up and got ready to go, still having not asked for money. Being a very satisfied customer I slipped her 3, 000 baht just as she was going out the door, and she was very pleased. Gave me a hug, told me to come back to see her again, and left.

Very very happy with my first experience in LOS, I decided to try Nana Plaza again that night, strongly considering bar fining that girl again (don't know her name) if she was around.

Didn't get there 'til about 11 (had to recover a bit first.), didn't see her so decided to check out a go-go bar since I hadn't had the chance the night before. Went into Rainbow 1, being the closest (probably not the best policy, but what the hell, not like I know any better).

Line-up on stage was OK. I see what people mean now by the 'Bangkok shuffle'. Funny stuff, not exactly a turn-on for me. Sat there nursing a beer for ages, nothing particularly piqued my interest until what must have been about 12, when I spotted "Number 25". Fairly small girl (my thing), bolt-on C cups (I'd never been with a girl with fake boobs before, believe it or not, so was interested to try) and a gorgeous ass. Not as pretty as the girl from the night before, but enough to interest me.

Called her over and bought her one drink. Wasn't really in the mood for sitting around making conversation (especially since the music is too loud to do so), although she did have excellent English. Also the drinks are incredibly expensive there. 135baht per beer. Not sure how much her Fanta was, I think the same. Said she'd worked there one year. Asked her if she liked it and she kind of waved her hand in an unconvincing manner.

Anyway, called a girl over to pay for the drinks and barfine. She says I have to pay for the girl upfront, they have a set rate. Turn-off. Oh well.

How much?

4000 baht long time, 600baht barfine.

God dammit!

Couldn't be bothered finding an equally nice girl for less money by that time, so paid it and took the girl back to my hotel. You only live once.

She was a pleasant enough girl but I didn't really click with her. Wasn't in a talking mood anyway, unlike the night before. Got straight to business.

She insisted on only CBJ, so I let her suck a condom for a few seconds before putting it in her. She climaxed after 15-20 minutes, and was obviously in pain after this (small Thai girls are not built for big farang cock). Took pity on the poor girl and took it out. As consolation she broke her CBJ rule and gave a decent BBBJ until I came on her fake tits (they looked good, but did not feel so good). She went and had a shower, and came back complaining of stomach pain (maybe I did some internal damage there.).

Said she wanted to get some medicine and go home.

Ergh.

Told her if she gave me 2, 000 baht back she could go (2000 is the price for short-time at Rainbow 1, and she was with me for over 2 hours so seemed reasonable-ish). She gladly accepted.

I doubt she just wanted to go back to work since it was about 3am by this point, but who knows.

Long story short, first girl was well worth the 3, 600baht long-time (incl barfine). Second was not worth the 2, 600baht short-time (incl barfine). Not a fan of short-time since I take a long time to finish (I'm young). Just about impossible to get 2 pops I think. Also this girl was not nearly so girlfriend-ish. Think I will steer clear of go-go bars for a little while at least.

First report. Hope it wasn't too rambling/unhelpful/pointless.

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[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Having found a freebie MP girl who can do the dirty with me as much as I enjoy… I’ve spent a lot of time with her and I’ve had to reconsider my Soapie type opinion. First of all, NicFrenchy saw this girl, she is older, higher 20’s pushing 30.

This lady, she irons my clothes, from shirts to socks to under ware. After walking back around town and I sit down at the desk she will get a cold towel and wash off my neck and face and such. She will massage my neck while I am typing. She gives me the first really enjoyable sopaie experience in the tub in the room (could be no time issues, could be it is not scripted, could be that we have chemistry, could be a lot of reasons but it really is the first super enjoyable sopaie experience I’ve had), she showers me completely, she makes me tea or coffee all the time, she gives me a half way decent regular massage on bed, etc… This lady just really takes care of you 100%.

…[/QUOTE]Remember my first trip to BKK many many years ago. Had a lady from the Kings club bar in Patpong ( when it was fun )..anyways she stayed LT and I remember waking up and shes not only washed the shirt I wore the night before but shes gone thru my suitcase and ironed all the pants and shirts in it. Even tidied up the bathroom.

Ah, the Good Old Days

bangkok post 2

had a slow day. some email and shopping.

started the evening at one of the bars outside nana watching football and drinking a couple of beer. only small talk with a couple of the girls. not very crowded. already decided i wanted a repeat visit to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. headed over there, a beer to have time to decide which hostess to go with. started talking with a fellow countryman and soon a second appeared from upstairs – he just received his birthday present – now – that is a good present! they headed off to bangkok beat (soi 7) and i went upstairs with my choice – this time a mid 20: s – much better than last night but still only a little bit above average – anyway – i still gave her a full load.

i also steered towards bangkok beat. i good band was playing and the place was actually crowded. finally hooked up with a nice, cute and very petit lady – 26 years – that said she only went out drinking once every month. that might be correct because she was drinking like she was trying to catch up. finally i decided to drop here, first because she would probably just fall to sleep and secondly and didn't want to risk waking up with here and she not remembering how she ended up in my bed. at 2 i walked out on the street and stopped by subway for a sandwich. started talking with two freelancers and i took them both. one was 36 and a nice body and face, the other was more like a single bagger however a really nice pair of tits. while filling the jacussi with water they both got over me and started a dual bbbj. i stopped them short and and entered the 36 year old from the back laying on her side so that the other could take turns licking her pussy and sucking my dick. then a doggy and boy i was struggling to not blow – good with the visit to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] earlier. we continued in the jacussi with some hj and then back to bed. at this time the one with the nicer tits wanted to leave which was ok with me. so, with my dick in the 36 year mouth i give her the 2000 we agreed for and a 500 tip. we then continued and at 5 we both where completely exhausted. slept until 2 (had to go to the tailor at 3) and she left giving me here phone number in case i wanted a repeat. i have other plans for the coming nights but you never know!

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I just came back from BKK

Managed to get away from the wife for a few hours in the evening so I decided to try out La Belle, however the traffic was horrendous so decided to grab the MRT and head off to Caesars

When I reached Caesars it was pouring outside, I mean really pouring !!

Once inside Caesars, the FB was almost empty, only 2 girls in there and there must be abt 20-25 sideliners sitting.

I spoke to the Papasan and told him I wanted a Soapy. He initially said only FB does Soapy and Sideliners normally don't. But he called over a girl and asked her if she would do a soapy and she agreed. [THis should have been my first sign that this was a bad idea, if they normally don't do soapys the service would be bad]

Anyways, into the room and the Soapy was not at all what I expected, I saw the videos on soapymassage.com and they were completely different. The service on the bad was average, BBBJ was acceptable, and we had a few positions.

Overall, probably will not repeat Caesars next time I'm in BKK

Lady : # 95 can't remember her name
Looks : 7/10
Service : Soapy 3/10 overall 6/10
Price : 4000 B + 500 B for soapy. I assume this includes a Farang charge

Hopefully next visit to BKK will be better

S

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[QUOTE=Studley]Caesars .../... a Soapy.

Price : 4000 B + 500 B for soapy[/QUOTE]Wow 4500, and it was average? I guess it's overpriced?

Can one you guys tell us the best price for a good one?

[QUOTE=Channy]...as an experienced monger in Thailand, you know that low class of thai people, like factory workers, employee etc those with 5000 to 8000 baths a month can t afford the kind of the girls you describe. So, this people have also their own brothels, chicken farms filled mainly with illegal immigrants and Isaan girls, at very low prices...
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Yes, but nowadays in many areas these cheap brothels or chicken farms are closed down and no longer exist.

[QUOTE=Studley]I just came back from BKK

Managed to get away from the wife for a few hours in the evening so I decided to try out La Belle, however the traffic was horrendous so decided to grab the MRT and head off to Caesars
[/QUOTE]
Caesar's is a known rip-off place. Not recommended unless you are East Asian.

You could have got soapy body slide at Nataree, Emmanuelle, or High Class much cheaper and better across the road nearby. These 3 places are recommended, if you take experienced girls (not newbie girls).

See the Map:
[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.776734,100.576701&spn=0.010879,0.017166&z=16[/url]

[QUOTE=Opebo]Yes, but nowadays in many areas these cheap brothels or chicken farms are closed down and no longer exist.[/QUOTE]The "chicken farms" still exist. You'll just have to look for them. Harder to do for farangs, since a lot of these girls are use to getting filled with smaller cocks.

On a different subject, if a TG has a smelly pussy that means she has a Thai BF who is pumping her full of his dirty cum everyday. She is either to cheap to buy tablets to stick up there or just too stupid to know such meds exists. So the next time you Bar fine a TG and she has a smelly one, just know that she is lying when she says "no boyfriend". :)

It seems that the current administration has so much other bs to deal with that they do care about placing restrictions on bar closing hrs, working girls, etc., so party on.

An cheaper alternative to the bigger soapie massage is to go to suk. Soi 22-32 and go to one of these small massages. Most of the time the girls are just as hot as the soapies, but less expensive. And in some case you actually get a real massage before the "special". 400B for 1hr and 1500 FS for a total of 1900B. same girl would cost 2600B (FS)+200B (tips) at bigger soapies.

Remember no drugs in Thailand, regardless of what other farangs tell you about paying cops off. Sometimes money does not work, then you're SOL.

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]
On a different subject, if a TG has a smelly pussy that means she has a Thai BF who is pumping her full of his dirty cum everyday. She is either to cheap to buy tablets to stick up there or just too stupid to know such meds exists. So the next time you Bar fine a TG and she has a smelly one, just know that she is lying when she says "no boyfriend". :)
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:eek: laughable logic!

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]:eek: laughable logic![/QUOTE]

The guy cumming inside her pussy doesn't have to be Thai.

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]...if a TG has a smelly pussy that means she has a Thai BF who is pumping her full of his dirty cum everyday...[/QUOTE]
Total racist nonsense.

A smelly pussy is indicative of an infection or poor hygene -- not a Thai boyfriend.

here is my meager contribution.

landed saturday, and started walking down sukumvitt on the odd soi side. at soi 3 -5 the ladies were out in force. actually found a very good looking gal who claimed to be 32yr old. interviewed her as far as services were concerned and we agreed on price (1000bht) and services to be performed.

when she took her clothes off my only complaint was that she had a heavily padded bra so what i saw was not what i got. however, was not bad choice overall and she did give excellent service. bumped into her a number of times when i would make my rounds. name was may

[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s on soi 8 was a big disappointment. it is self-evident from the gals they must dine exclusively at mcdees. they were awful, all pudgy and wearing outfits that are designed to conceal the pudge itself. left, fortwith.

on two occassions, had a pretty good time at the thermae cafe (hope i spelled it correctly). on my first trip met a gal who claimed to be 34 who told me she had one child. i was drawn to her because she was explaining the whole scene at the thermae. she also had on a halter and shorts that exposed some of the vital areas. she told me she exercised rigorousy (wound up meeting her at the nana parking lot and we struck a deal, great service and very good attitude).

she then explained how many of the younger girls will not ever go with a farang, most prefer japanese men. low and behold i look arount and 75-80% of the customers appeared japanese. she told me to notice how many of the
gals will not make eye contact with you, nor will they smile. the ones who do smile and make eye contact (usually the older ones) "will go with farang."
sure enought, the next night i approached a younger gal in the receiving line and she pretended she could not speak english. in turn, i questioned her professional ethics and, low and behold, she spewed forth a number of comments - in english.

nana and soi cowboy are what they are. i have managed to get lucky there once and a while.

it seems the best time is the nana parking lot around 1-2:30am. my last evening in bankok before going to pattay i was in the lot at around 2am ready to call it quits when i bumped into this gal who looked good with a great attitude. she spoke little english, but that turned out to be the charming part. she turned out having a great little body and was just a lot of fun in bed. she actually tried to initiate some serious french kissing but, time/place being what it is, i tried to avoid this. got her number and will definitely look her up when i return.

one odd situation, went to rainbow 4 and asked if i could go in and look around. i always explain that if i see a gal i like i will buy her a drink. most places have no problem with this. at rainbow 4 the waitress called over the manager real quick and demanded that i either buy a drink or leave. the manager out and out tried to intimadate me into buying a drink. i was upset because my cardinal rule is always to be a gentleman, especially in such situations. avoid this place, it has the smell of trouble.

it all appears all hit or miss.

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]The "chicken farms" still exist. You'll just have to look for them. Harder to do for farangs, since a lot of these girls are use to getting filled with smaller cocks.

On a different subject, if a TG has a smelly pussy that means she has a Thai BF who is pumping her full of his dirty cum everyday. She is either to cheap to buy tablets to stick up there or just too stupid to know such meds exists. So the next time you Bar fine a TG and she has a smelly one, just know that she is lying when she says "no boyfriend". :)
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Ignorance and racism go hand in hand.

I think RAINBOX 4 is the 2nd floor of the NANA entertainment complex. They have a put up or shut up attitude. I think this place is not worth dropping by. They seem to have the most girls but even the girls have an attitude. I did buy a drink then they suddenly brought 2 and charged me. Then the girl insists that I buy a drink for her friend. After I sniffed and went through their poor customer service, I poured half a beer on the table and left. They can all kiss my ass and so I looked for greener pastures.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Total racist nonsense.

A smelly pussy is indicative of an infection or poor hygene -- not a Thai boyfriend.[/QUOTE]


Daddy07,

Maybe the fool meant that the Thai Boyfriend has poor hygiene, a dirty dick that hasn't been washed or he had badbreathe and went DATY, and that transfered the dirty smell from his rotten teeth into her pussy and stored all at that smelly gas.

Believe it or not? This is a medical fact? and don't anyone try to contradict me unless they are stupid!

LBM

OK I'm starting to get caught up a little... I have a few reports to file like the MP girl who followed me home, my Pattaya reports... and then my conclusion in Bangkok. But for now you can review these until I can edit some pictures....

Why post pic's here... so the wankers who only visit the photo gallery have to work a little harder... Anways these are just some of the girls from my reports... As I said have a few more to file but am backlogged as it is now...

My friend, you are lucky you didn't get your ass kicked. You should be very careful what you do in these places. Sure they might have bad customer service. But you have to look at it from Rainbow's perspective. All they want is to extract as much money as they possibly can get from you. They don't care if you are happy, if you have fun, or whatever. So what they did is business as usual for them. If you didn't like it, all you had to do was get up and walk out (after paying for your drink, of course). By spilling your drink on the bar, you are now offending them, and Thais don't like to be offended. Always remember, you are in their country. In a fight, you will always lose. Protect yourself and don't let your emotions control your words or actions. It could get you into serious trouble in this country.[QUOTE=Enchoo]I think RAINBOX 4 is the 2nd floor of the NANA entertainment complex. They have a put up or shut up attitude. I think this place is not worth dropping by. They seem to have the most girls but even the girls have an attitude. I did buy a drink then they suddenly brought 2 and charged me. Then the girl insists that I buy a drink for her friend. After I sniffed and went through their poor customer service, I poured half a beer on the table and left. They can all kiss my ass and so I looked for greener pastures.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Total racist nonsense.

A smelly pussy is indicative of an infection or poor hygene -- not a Thai boyfriend.[/QUOTE]
What he meant was bara back sex from her Thai BF. At the same time she could have got it from any number of men who did her bareback.
Fact of the matter is smell is always a sign of infection just like pain is indicative of something wrong in your body. It is always better to check the smell by playfully putting your finger in her pussy before the shower and smelling it. You can get the infection by contact , not necessarily from bareback sex.
Smell could be indicative of of simple yeast infection or more serious. Either way will not go away without treatment. Generally one doctor adviced me if it is nauseating smell do not even touch. He also told me depending on race and diet some women have a slight smell and it is normal. I have found by experience Asian women have absolutely no smell if they do not have any infection.

[QUOTE=Enchoo]I think RAINBOX 4 is the 2nd floor of the NANA entertainment complex. They have a put up or shut up attitude. [/QUOTE]
What do you expect from a gogo bar that caters to mainly Japanese push overs?

[QUOTE=Enchoo]I think RAINBOX 4 is the 2nd floor of the NANA entertainment complex. They have a put up or shut up attitude. I think this place is not worth dropping by. They seem to have the most girls but even the girls have an attitude. I did buy a drink then they suddenly brought 2 and charged me. Then the girl insists that I buy a drink for her friend. After I sniffed and went through their poor customer service, I poured half a beer on the table and left. They can all kiss my ass and so I looked for greener pastures.[/QUOTE]Hmm. Enchoo. A little advice from an old fart.

Rainbow 4, and any place in the world like it: Make friends with the help, a bartender, a waitress, etc. In the case of Rainbow 4: a waitress. When you first sit down, produce a big goofy grin smile, then buy the WAITRESS a drink and show her some respect. You now have created an "ally" in your quest for bar-baby perfection. Not only will she help you score, she will be quadruply attentive to you. And, you WILL HAVE FUN. And the cost? Maybe 150 Baht.

Try it next time. It works.

Word to the wise: Creating bad feelings and performing childlike rude behaviors only makes others perceive YOU to be the fool here in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Enchoo]I think RAINBOX 4 is the 2nd floor of the NANA entertainment complex. They have a put up or shut up attitude. I think this place is not worth dropping by. They seem to have the most girls but even the girls have an attitude. I did buy a drink then they suddenly brought 2 and charged me. Then the girl insists that I buy a drink for her friend. After I sniffed and went through their poor customer service, I poured half a beer on the table and left. They can all kiss my ass and so I looked for greener pastures.[/QUOTE]
Agree! Had a bad experience in this place a while ago. After a bad attitude- girl shouted at me about something I dont remember, the girl tried to hide her number from me so I couldn`t point her out to anyone in the staff. Im a calm guy and I was not drunk. I remember that it was alot of people in there so it was difficult anyway. Not my favorite place. PB

I think its all a bit "tongue in cheek".

Perhaps the initial post is from someone who thought his "girl" was only fcuking him and found out later she is fcuking everyone and also has a Thai boyfriend. So now he is very anti-Thai.

Happens a lot in Thailand, dumb farang men unable to "get" what goes on in Thailand and thinking they are handsum man jing jing.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Daddy07,

Maybe the fool meant that the Thai Boyfriend has poor hygiene, a dirty dick that hasn't been washed or he had badbreathe and went DATY, and that transfered the dirty smell from his rotten teeth into her pussy and stored all at that smelly gas.

Believe it or not? This is a medical fact? and don't anyone try to contradict me unless they are stupid!

LBM[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Barko]Hmm. Enchoo. A little advice from an old fart.

Rainbow 4, and any place in the world like it: Make friends with the help, a bartender, a waitress, etc. In the case of Rainbow 4: a waitress. When you first sit down, produce a big goofy grin smile, then buy the WAITRESS a drink and show her some respect. You now have created an "ally" in your quest for bar-baby perfection. Not only will she help you score, she will be quadruply attentive to you. And, you WILL HAVE FUN. And the cost? Maybe 150 Baht.

Try it next time. It works.

Word to the wise: Creating bad feelings and performing childlike rude behaviors only makes others perceive YOU to be the fool here in Thailand.[/QUOTE]
Agree totally with you that rude behaviour will NOT get you anywhere but an equally rude - and perhaps even downright malicious - response. This is true anywhere in the world!

OTH - why would any one want to go to Rainbox or similar places when one has been adequately warned - as we are here being warned - against going to the place? (And here I will again espouse the need to RTFF!!).

Whilst I of course do not go along with the original's poster's way of dealing with the situation in which he found himself in, I nonetheless agree with his sentiments to instead just go to greener pasture.

Just IMHO

SEAJ

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]why would any one want to go to Rainbox or similar places when one has been adequately warned - as we are here being warned - against going to the place? [/QUOTE]

Um. Because the girls are hot there?

It's RainboW, not boX.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Um. Because the girls are hot there?

It's RainboW, not boX.[/QUOTE]
Like the proverbial moth to flame!!

We guys really do let our little brain do all the thinking don't we?!

Rainbox Rainbow - sorry - yes, but Enchoo did use both names in the original report. But does it really matter?

SEAJ

Was in Long Gun last night. Originally intended to take a girl from Deja Vu but it turned out it was that time of the month. I'll have to wait a few days and go back as she's got some terrific oral skills.

At Long Gun they seem to have 3 distinct sets of girls who dance separately. There is a small group of maybe 6 girls with smokin' bodies. I have been with two of them, 34 and 36 i think and they have great personalities as well. These are the ones that do the better shows and sometimes are hustled off to Rawhide to do a show or two.

There is another set of girls who i wouldn't throw out of bed, but wouldn't take unless the lights are coming on.

Lastly there is a set of shorter, chubbier girls who I wouldn't take but are fun to talk with.

Oh, and they have a Mamasan named Fon who in my opinion is incredibly hot.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Um. Because the girls are hot there?
[/QUOTE]

Hot girls with poor attitude have no intrinsic value. I BF a girl from Rainbox 4 about once every 3 years to remind myself why I don't frequent NEP.

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Agree totally with you that rude behaviour will NOT get you anywhere but an equally rude - and perhaps even downright malicious - response. This is true anywhere in the world!

OTH - why would any one want to go to Rainbox or similar places when one has been adequately warned - as we are here being warned - against going to the place? (And here I will again espouse the need to RTFF!!).

Whilst I of course do not go along with the original's poster's way of dealing with the situation in which he found himself in, I nonetheless agree with his sentiments to instead just go to greener pasture.

Just IMHO

SEAJ[/QUOTE]Naturally.

And a bit more in the direction of Enchoo:

I have no problem at all with Rainbow 4, other than the fact that I've probably done too many chicks there over the years and the in-house jealousy factor has become somewhat of an issue. (I don't mind being called a butterfly, but creating bad feelings with the talent is a no no anywhere.)

There are a TON of smoking hot babies in R4, everybody knows it, the ratio of goodness is very possibly the best in town. But, you have to be cool, sneak up on them, get in & out early, and you have to have some sort of an edge. (Ply waitress/bartender with alcohol, speak Thai, get an intro, dress like you are headed out somewhere nice.)

So yeah, that is all part of the fun for me, not just banging some cute chick, I can do that anywhere, (go ahead, jump me for saying that, but fuck it, TIT.) It's a fun way for me to spend an evening and come out of it scoring a far above average looking hottie. Also, what I get in the room is up to me too, I make it fun and funny, tease the shit out of them, then I flip them over and give them a going over that they won't soon forget (for at least a half hour anyway.) So, in the end, [b]I get what I need[/b], and yeah it's that easy, and shit yeah, it's great fun.

Much of this mongering stuff is about attitude, yes?

If you can't deal with any of that, and can't prepare yourself for what may happen and how you will master the situation to your own benefit, then why even bother spinning yourself up on what will obviously be a wasted time? Hell, just mozy-dozy on over to Angelwitch, that place is great fun too, no problems, very hot sexy things in there these days as well, and no negativity (except that freakin obnoxious mamasan that wants you to buy her drinks all night.) You may very well indeed want to check that place out Enchoo.

Just don't get pissed off when you realize that you weren't really ready to play in that big dirty R4 sandbox chock full of snotty haughty girls. Just smile, then climb out, no harm - no foul. Then nobody cares, not even you.

I agree. As noted in my recent post I had a similiar bag experience in this place, luckily before I bought a drink. Simple solution, turn around and walk out, or finish your drink and leave. Then come here and make a post, that is what this board is all about.

Here, I will do it - Avoid Rainbow 4.


[QUOTE=Phuquer]My friend, you are lucky you didn't get your ass kicked. You should be very careful what you do in these places. Sure they might have bad customer service. But you have to look at it from Rainbow's perspective. All they want is to extract as much money as they possibly can get from you. They don't care if you are happy, if you have fun, or whatever. So what they did is business as usual for them. If you didn't like it, all you had to do was get up and walk out (after paying for your drink, of course). By spilling your drink on the bar, you are now offending them, and Thais don't like to be offended. Always remember, you are in their country. In a fight, you will always lose. Protect yourself and don't let your emotions control your words or actions. It could get you into serious trouble in this country.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]We guys really do let our little brain do all the thinking don't we?!
[/QUOTE]
About sex? Yeah. If not then, when?

To each his own. Uglies with great attitude just don't get my little guy thinking, and if he's not intellectually engaged, there's no point.

LOL, reminds me of that famous saying, "There is nothing so underrated as a good shit, and nothing so overrated as a bad fuck".

Hot girls who are lousy or lazy in bed are not worth shit. Some geeks get a hard on by parading them over town as some kind of "show off" but a normal girl who fucks like a trooper and gives 110% is far better.

At the end of the day as a mongerer you are looking for enjoy P4P as much as possible and this means you enjoy it, its not whether she does or if your friends think she is pretty and hot, its all about the sex, cause that is what you are paying for :)

[QUOTE=Pita123]Hot girls with poor attitude have no intrinsic value. I BF a girl from Rainbox 4 about once every 3 years to remind myself why I don't frequent NEP.[/QUOTE]

OK finally have some time to catch up. Last report was that we were off to the flower shop. In we went had a girl waiting, the girl who I ended up just lettering her give me BBBJ CIM while I was texting two hands with work problems.

We go a full session, three pops, sweating all over, and I invite her to go out with me. A pretty famous lady there, and to my surprise she accepted to go to a spa / massage with me right then and there, turns out it was her day off and she came in for my booking only so she was free to leave the shop if she wanted to. So my ISG buddy and I meet down stairs at the flower shop and we go over to 7/11 where I explain to my wingman that we need to wait at the Thong Lor BTS as this lady will change and come out and meet me and go out with me. He looks at me in total disbelief, but sure enough, 20 minutes after finishing our session... out comes this girl.

Off to King and I we go... she gets a spa I get a foot massage and she is happier then a little clam. I tell her that I need to get some items out of the washing machine in my room and would she mind if we stop at the room first before we go for a meal. She says sure no problem... well I actually did have laundry in the machine but once in the room we got down to business three more times but she would not stay with me the night.

She claimed her little sister is at home and she has to take care of her (which is actually true but she can stay out all night if she arranges it). I even got to talk with the sister some.

So score one on my check list... got a Flower Shop girl out of work for -0- cost and 3 free shots. :D I actually like this girl too. She was a lot of fun when she was not in work mode.

Later that night I ran to Shark, got the Dirty Girl (me and my friends name for one girl there), she bet me she could get me to finish in under 5 minutes... she lost the bet but we had equipment malfunction so she off she runs taking partial short time money to get to pharmacy she says... In my opinion she did not want to be screwed all night long as she bet me I could not get it up multiple times or last long. She is a serious dirty girl but totally honest. We sat there and we went over her sponsors and her phone logs and her emails and sms messages... Jesus some guys are worse then me how they email and sms and text to girls....

Anyways ended up calling the my freebie MP girl later that night after Dirty Girl ran off. So got a few more shots in that night then in the morning off to Pattaya we went. Will report in that section later.

Arriving back to BKK from Pattaya, we were stuck in Friday Night Traffic so I had a long ride to SMS various girls. My wingman and the cab driver and the girl my wingman brought back to BKK from Pattaya were all laughing at me calling me a total bastard butterfly but that's OK, it is true :D

Anyways my ex ex TGF was waiting at the hotel upon arrival so we went straight to my couch and had a session there. She was horny as all get out so it was a welcome relief for both of us to get this over with as I was stuck in a taxi for hours and she hasn't been satisfied in long time. She stopped her work and turns out she is visiting Q Bar and other places and she is telling me about the stupid rich old farang guys throwing money at her (yes I was a stupid guy before for helping her too :D but now I get it for free thank you) and it amazes me how much she can pick up in one night doing free lance at what are supposed to be higher end clubs.

And she is a great screw, her face and boy are nothing special but she can hump like a champion. The funny thing is that most guys are so drunk or old that they are lucky to get one shot off and are quick. So what are they doing wasting their time and money at a club scene? I still do not understand Thailand and I'm still making mistakes myself but it never ceases to amaze me what happens in Thailand.

After she left I called in girl and we ended up doing the 23 year old before she went home for good (so she says but I am sure she will be back in BKK shortly). The next morning go my freebie MP girl to spend the day with me and night. I needed a break. So she took care of me all day and night and treated me like a king. Just a wonderful girl.

sunday comes around and i have three girls from pattaya show up at my room about 1 hour after the freebie mp girl leaves.

the hotel staff already know me now and were standing at the doors laughing outright at three bar girls from pattaya show up right as i was leaving breakfast with my isg buddy and his girl from pattaya. but a few young girls and a nice tight body 20 year old (unfortunately the sister of the one girl had to stay at home as she was red :( )

so in we go to the room, screw each of them one time, the new girl was an oral expert and i really enjoyed that session with her. i ended up doing the 20 year old two times, the 25 year old girl who likes me one time, and the new girl one time. since it was the 20 year old's first time in bkk (turns out she is from the same home town as my ex ex gf and we knew a lot of the same people) we went off to mbk. me and three bg's and my friend.

it was funny teaching the ban nok (is this the way to write it?? ) 20 year old how to use the bts and other things. but we had a good time and got them some items they needed, a 250 baht memory card, they used their own money to buy bags and other things, but i did buy a bag for the sister who was red... etc... we just had an enjoyable time. we went out to eat then back to the room for another round of action. this time all three in bed at the same time all playing with each other and me. god i love open minded thai girls...

finishing that off to cowboy we go as the baby wanted to see the famous soi cowboy. what a disappointment for her. compared to pattaya cowboy is nothing. so after a quick visit at baccara and shark off to hillary's on soi 11 we go, shooting pool, eating, relaxing... to the room, more sex... the 20 year said she was sore so i had to suffice with the other two for a while and the baby was a little drunk so no big deal. she did end up peeing on the couch if you can believe that...

the next morning we ended up all playing together for a final shag, sent them on their way with 2,000 baht each. well worth it for three girls no holes barred enjoyment. these are girls that daddy07 and i meet up in pattaya :d it's easy to find girls like this in bkk but not for 2,000 baht each for 24 hours. so it was a nice cap or finish to my time in bkk.

fortunately or unfortunately it was not the finishing touches....

So after the Pattaya girls leave... I am trying to figure out what to do. A late meeting on Monday but nothing in the day or night planned.

As good things come to those who wait... my non P4P identical twin university school sisters call me up. One has nothing to do and asks if I am free to meet her. I say sure and ask if her sister will join us and she reports sadly that no, she got engaged and will not be able to meet up with me anymore... so sad...

However off to MBK i go to meet the one sister. My mate brings over a Soi Cowboy girl to take her to a movie for day time freebie action and we run into each other so he gets to see one half of my twin sisters... And I don't push anything with her so we go off and get a coffee and talk and we move over to my room to "look up some items on the computer" to help her school work.

This turned into a very slow and careful and gentle sex session with her. Very nice and relaxing with her, a bigger girl (not fat) solid built football player and very sweet girl. Masters Student who is trying to make me a one girl man as she knows I am big butterfly. Anyways off to my meeting I go and kiss her goodbye and promise to try to be good boy...

After the meeting my ex gf comes over and my wingman and her and me go out, eat at German House, then walk Sukhumvit a little, and I spend my last night in the arms of my ex gf who I had told her to find another guy but she still wants to take me, and I still care for her very much. Even if I am a no good guy. I supported her and still do help her out and it was very enjoyable to spend my last night with her.

I am totally conflicted as to what to do my next visit. Currently have more then enough girls to take care of me and they all KNOW that I am playing around. I made this very clear to every girl, that I am a no good butterfly and that they should all find good men. Instead of turning them off of me it had the opposite affect, they started to like me more for being open and honest to them. Go figure... all my years of trying to play around all I had to do was tell them honestly I am going out to ***** around.

But my major complaint from this trip, was a lot of equipment failure using Crown and Durex. Many many times I had broken condoms on me during this trip. And I am getting a full blood work up tomorrow as I am going to leave the next day on another trip... God, life of travel can be so tiring at times...

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]But my major complaint from this trip, was a lot of equipment failure using Crown and Durex. Many many times I had broken condoms on me during this trip. [/QUOTE]
Probably because you're performance / use of them is outside of the specs they are designed and tested to? ;)

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]
It was funny teaching the Ban Nok (is this the way to write it?? ) 20 year old how to use the BTS and other things. [/QUOTE]
I would write:
Baan Nawk
or
Baan Nork

[size=+2]บ้านนอก[/size]
means "country" (provincial)
in case anyone can read Thai.

to emphsize that the vowel sounds are long, but its tough when Thai vowel sounds are different to English (closer to German than to English actually).

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]I would write:
Baan Nawk
or
Baan Nork

[size=+2]บ้านนอก[/size]
means "country" (provincial)
in case anyone can read Thai.

to emphsize that the vowel sounds are long, but its tough when Thai vowel sounds are different to English (closer to German than to English actually).[/QUOTE]

Thanks !!!! However you spell it I enjoy the song and I love the Baan Nawk ladies :D :D :D I'm definitely not OTH ;)

Does anyone know if Grace hotel is still there and has uzbek girls?

[QUOTE=Sonic Bam]Probably because you're performance / use of them is outside of the specs they are designed and tested to? ;)[/QUOTE]

Funny,,, I forgot how funny you engineers are. You're almost as funny as all the computer geeks we got on ISG :D

Now get your ass out of the cold hell hole you call home and get over to SEA !!!

[QUOTE=Opebo]Well I have spent many years so, and I can tell you, the Thais who matter - middle class and above, couldn't care less what dark-skinned Isaan girls do. They are so far below them in the social scale they simply don't identify with them at all. Which is really why the whole for-farang sex industry has been allowed to develop. They're basically renting us what they consider to be their livestock. It would be as if a foreign element were coming to the USA to fuck black women - do you really think that the dominant group would feel someone were 'stealing their women'. No.

Of course Thai men have their own type of prostitutes, but they tend to be totally different from ours - they like a totally different type. Most are from the North or homegrown (central Thai), and they tend to cost much more than ours do. They have very light skin, look demure, are very young, and provide no service. The typical Thai middle class man would find our girls unbearable crass and low, and no amount of pornographic service would make up for this. He fantasizes about forcibly deflowering a 'good' girl from a decent background, or a reasonable facsimile thereof. What we do in Pattaya is seen as not unlike smearing ourselves with shit by the middle class Thai.

However they do feel embarrassed that Pattaya exists, and it is most definitely under threat. If the poors from Isaan all went to Sihanoukville to make money draining farangs, Thais wouldn't be nearly so embarrassed about it, I suspect.

As for what ordinary working-class Isaan men feel about it I couldn't say, as I have never known any of those.[/QUOTE]


I'd agree with most of the generalizations but as for the P for P scene, i still am not convinced. I regularly visit several 98% Thai massage places where a few Japanese/Koreans is about as farang as it gets...now i do tell most of my farang friends that the girls there generally can be hotter than most of the gals in Sukhumvit, not to mention actually cheaper if you start adding what people spend on bar fines and lady drinks...and the service is guaranteed without attitude...that said, even though the girls there generally have slightly lighter skin, there are still plenty who would fit right in the middle as far ask skin tone would go down on Sukhumvit...and not to mention that chatting with the gals, i'd say that 70-80% come from Isaan...the same girls that all the middle class Thai businessmen are going with....if you go up to the gogo bars in Sutthisan, which is 100% Thai, it is the same deal...yeah, there are some lighter skinned girls, but overall, if they all strolled down Sukhumvit they certainly wouldn't be sticking out as northern girls or middle class girls and i'd say that again 80% of them are from Isaan...i think it is a bit like the argument that farangs like dark skinned girls...how many Thai women with light skin have told me that farangs dont like them because of this...i tell them that this stereotype is due to the fact that 95% of all farangs who come to Thailand go to find women in Sukhumvit, and in that scene, probably 95% of the girls come from Isaan, and yes, generally Isaan girls have darker skin...i am sure if 95% of the girls in Sukhumvit came from Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai, farangs would be enjoying them just as much...

My first visit to BKK was last month (before I discovered ISG) and my next trip is in a few days. I've read the last 25 pages of BKK reports to get the knowledge I didn't have for the first time and I now have a short list which is not so short! No bad thing I agree as more options are always better than few which is what was available on Tuesday night in Moscow!

So with zero knowledge other than interrogating the Hotel Bell boy and taxi drivers (which soon had me thinking of the modern proverb of the correlation with opinions and assholes) at 10pm went to J One and had a drink and observed 30 female goblins to average at 3000 Baht and 3 beauties which were 4000 Baht. I called over one of the stunners to see if she was so good to tempt me from my cash and I just couldn't justify so I drank up and headed to the the ladyboy free Soi Cowboy. A quick crawl to see what the talent was like along the strip and back again to Sharks where I took a seat, ordered a beer and sat back to enjoy the view. Good music, plenty of girls from average to hot and average priced drinks. Nice that I was spoilt for choice with four of the girl's being 9's and few serious customers to BF. One of the 9's stood out with a little more sexy charisma about her than the others and after buying her a drink and sending her back to dance for me so I could enjoy the view and buy me some time as I was split between her and a blonde girl who caught my eye. I should have been quicker off the mark as a guy walked in and didn't beat around the bush in asking her to come over to join him for a drink and 20 mins later she was BF. Lesson learned for the future but I was more than happy with the one I BF at 650 Baht and 330 Baht for 3 drinks. Off to get some food and back to the hotel where we showered seperately. I took ten minutes and she seemed surprised as this to her was a short time which I was surprised to hear! She took at least 15 minutes which is a long time when you're lay on a bed and keen to fuck! She comes out and lays across me as she sets the alarm on the hotel clock and I think school boy error for not discussing time! She gives BBBJ for a few mins and stops to change positions which I didn't want as I was enjoying! 5 more minutes of head and she begins to whinge about her jaw which was dissapointing so I turned her over and gave her a good fucking which quickly had her jaw working fine as she was vocal in coming twice before I came. She showered and said she'd go so I paid and was happy to let her go in post come state of mind!

Next day I slept in until the early afternoon and after some shopping at MBK was aware I had to leave in the evening so I ventured to Cupid which I'd heard a few 'opinions' of. At J One the girls are there at the side as soon as you walk in but at Cupid it's quite a walk from the main door past all the pool tables where in the distance you can see a few girls sat behind the glass bowl. As I approached and got closer the view expanded to a sea of some 40 girls with those who had seen me approach nudging the girl next door and smiling which wherever you are is a feel good moment whether you're paying or not. To the side are another 30 girls who are more expensive than those in the bowl. I take a seat and order a beer (115 Baht) and observe the circus as some who couldn't see me move along to a space where they could and grinned at me whenever I would look their way. A frustrating thing about the fish bowls is that the girls are seated which is not ideal when you're as picky in wanting the whole package with a beautiful face and great body. In Sharks the girls were constantly moving around so your choice is much easier in weighing up their assets. In Cupid, I wished they had a buzzer... 'numbers 6, 13 and 37, stand up and do a twirl' and with so many women eyeing me up and intimating their wish to go upstairs I felt a little embarrassed to walk straight upto the glass like some other customers did and having seen the girls different reactions I couldn't help but smile to myself as it was pure comedy how they suddenly get the urge to get their compacts out to hide their faces.

I was more impressed by the hotter girls in the fishbowl who were 3000 Baht as opposed to the younger 'stars' at the side who were 3500 so I'm guessing the hotter ones I preferred were older and that is why they were less expensive. With my eye on the clock for my flight I decided to save myself for another time knowing exactly which girl I want if I go again in a few days.

I only go for above average girls as the opportunities to bed average girls are in abundance with my job in the airline industry. For me it's not about sex with just anyone and I have always been a little picky in scanning for the hotties when many a friend would choose the hog of the group to score and bag a grateful ****. Being in my early thirties with a surfer look I seem to be well received in non western countries which naturally I like to make the most of. I read that Siam Paragon Mall has lots of attractive women with Bossy and Bed Supper club also good for the 'free market'. Where else is the potential to meet hot girls who haven't quite made it to the bar and massage scene?

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[QUOTE=Oldian]..i think it is a bit like the argument that farangs like dark skinned girls...how many Thai women with light skin have told me that farangs dont like them because of this...i tell them that this stereotype is due to the fact that 95% of all farangs who come to Thailand go to find women in Sukhumvit [/QUOTE]
I don't agree. I've met several white skinned girls in Pattaya who struggled to get farang customers.

Also, the majority of really hot white skinned beauties, especially in Bangkok, won't make themselves available to farang. They simply don't need to.

Can we change that.

It should be "most hot beauties, especially in Bangkok, will not make themselves available to tourists or anyone else on a short term visit to Thailand".

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Also, the majority of really hot white skinned beauties, especially in Bangkok, won't make themselves available to farang. They simply don't need to.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]I would write:
Baan Nawk
or
Baan Nork

[size=+2]บ้านนอก[/size]
means "country" (provincial)
in case anyone can read Thai.

to emphsize that the vowel sounds are long, but its tough when Thai vowel sounds are different to English (closer to German than to English actually).[/QUOTE]

And, as an adjective, it can also mean uncouth, boorish, uneducated ...

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Now get your ass out of the cold hell hole you call home and get over to SEA !!![/QUOTE]
I have a cunning plan, Captain .......

Didn't look like a sucker punch to me, but the movement of the woman in front of the camera obscures it a bit. He said come on bring it on or someting like that. He got what he asked for - and deserved it the stupid prick.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Yes, he got sucker punched; then kicked full in the face on his way to the floor; and finally kicked visciously twice in the head while he was down and out.

And yes, the little coward who cold cocked him ran away.

Not a very fair fight IMHO. This is why I try to keep a low profile in the LOS.[/QUOTE]

RonnieMonger,

Common sense would conclude from the video, that the guy was having a argument with another guy at the bar. Then the Farang got loud and bang his hand on the bar and that brought attention to the others which I assume were Thai bouncers. He then back up and was looking straight at the guy he was having a argument seconds later lights out! End of story!

Whether he deserves it or not... isn't the position but did he get sucker punch the answer here is YES!

LBM

[QUOTE=Oldian]...98% Thai massage places ...and the service is guaranteed without attitude...[/quote]

While it is true that you normally won't have any scary unexpected problems with girls in soapies, I've never had 'great service' there. Service there is almost always very far below what you can get from freelancers.

[QUOTE=Oldian]...even though the girls there generally have slightly lighter skin, there are still plenty who would fit right in the middle as far ask skin tone would go down on Sukhumvit...and not to mention that chatting with the gals, i'd say that 70-80% come from Isaan...[/QUOTE]

Interesting. I'm sure you're right that many girls on Suttisan or in Thai-oriented soapies are from Issan, but generally speaking they seem to pick the much lighter skinned ones. The darker ones being relegated to low end brothels and farang-service. I also meet quite a lot of Northern girls and regular central Thai girls in Thai soapies, both in Bkk and in Isaan. Its somewhat a given here in Isaan that the majority of girls in medium to higher priced brothels will be from 'Nan' or 'Chiang Rai'. In the really high priced places they have lots of central Thai girls.

But as far as 'middle class' girls - yes obviously they do not enter into normal mass-marketed P4P. Why would they?

[QUOTE=RonnieMonger]Didn't look like a sucker punch to me, but the movement of the woman in front of the camera obscures it a bit. He said come on bring it on or someting like that. He got what he asked for - and deserved it the stupid prick.[/QUOTE]

The man is a hero to the uninformed masses who arrive here and don’t know how to conduct themselves. I've seen guys acting up the way he did too often with the same results. This video should be offered as a PSA on every airline transporting sex tourist to Thailand with the caption “this could be you after one drink.”

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I take a regiment of vitamins and herbals and protein which I've shared with many guys but it's about 29 pills a day. I do not screw like this every day only in BKK mostly and sometimes in MNL and China is usually having someone brought to me. And I do go hog wild for the ladies when I land and before I take off. Have not used lube one time yet on this trip. The girls get naturally wet with DATY and I can not perform for just ANY girl, of course not no way could I get stimulated for no damn reason.

If this is a patented formula then never mind but I used to have your stamina a while ago in Korea but now it has really tapered off. I wondering if it is because I have not been mongering for long while, not exercising, or not taking the right regiment mentionned above.

Hands down, he deserved it.

Yes, this should be a training video on how not to behave. Again, if I may quote Hannibal Lector - "discourtesy is unspeakably ugly to me."

[QUOTE=RonnieMonger]Didn't look like a sucker punch to me, but the movement of the woman in front of the camera obscures it a bit. He said come on bring it on or someting like that. He got what he asked for - and deserved it the stupid prick.[/QUOTE]

Well actually my second, I was too beat from the flight from Tokyo and the trip to the hotel to do anything the first night.
I picked up a girl on the street, her name sounded something like Get, 19 years old very short and tiny. She turned out to be a flip flop, yes yes on the street and no no in the room, no kissing, very little BBBJ, she wanted 1000 ST 2 hours, I just pounded her until I was done, less then an hour, gave her 800 and kicked her out.

Mike

Went to Nana, ended up at a little place on the second floor on the left, DC-10?. Fun place, there were very few customers, and the girls dancing were really wild and cute.
Sat with Hon, 20 years old, no kids, cute, nice body, very nice girl, passionate DFK in the bar. She really got me going, but I’m easy, 600 BF, 1500 ST 2 hours, 1 coke and 1 LD, 2300 Bhat and we were out the door.
Got in the cab and she was all over me, same when we got to the room, she was ready, she showered, I showered, lots of DFK, body kisses, BBBJ, 69, she came 3 times, several positions but I didn’t cum, well she would have none of that, lots more BBBJ that was great by the way, HJ, I’m setting on her chest and she going to town with the BBBJ, I tell her I’m ready to explode, pulls me out at the last second and I cum on her tits and neck, then she sucks me dry.

I think she said she was from Sakon Nakhon and she told me about all of the girls in her town, sister, cousins, friends that had gotten a falong (SP) to take care of them, longest was a year, and all the things they got from them, houses, cars, motorbikes, cash, etc., so she sad she wanted one too. She has been in BKK 3 months, working at the bar for 2 months and I was her 7th customer.

Mike

[QUOTE=Enchoo]If this is a patented formula then never mind but I used to have your stamina a while ago in Korea but now it has really tapered off. I wondering if it is because I have not been mongering for long while, not exercising, or not taking the right regiment mentionned above.[/QUOTE]

I've discussed this many times with folks via PM and such. First it is your general health you need good cardio work outs, eat right, take protein shakes, etc... It does not matter if you are 20 lbs overweight or your age etc... if you get a good cardio work out going it will help a lot. No stamina, no cardio, you overall ability to monger and repeat mongering multiple times will taper off in a hurry no matter how horny you are.

From there you can add in various items like strong multi vitamins, but I add garlic, calcium, fiber, etc... From there you can add in prostate pills seem to help a lot of guys a lot as they get older etc...

From there the herbals I use are Semenax and Ogoplex. I do not necessarily think you need to take herbals, those two just add to the intensity of my climaxes and add to the volume. Those are the only pills I take for sexual performance. Semenax is 3 times a day and Ogoplex is 1 time a day. Does it work, I have no idea if it works for you folks but I see that it works for me and that is the only thing that matters. I do not know if you can get in Asia but I bring it in for some folks when i come on my trips as I can ship it to my country.

The most important is your general health and fitness, if you drop your cardio work outs and fitness regiments then your overall sexual stamina will drop also. I also refrain from all alcohol, not even one drop and I stopped smoking a few years ago also. Plus add large volumes of juice / water. Even when I am mongering I still hit up the gym for atleast half an hour of good cardio but try to get in atleast an hour a day. When I fail to get in some cardio I notice my performance starts to lessen.

I am under complete doctors care and am tested every month for my work for everything from blood to health to heart etc... For me it works, and it starts at the basic fitness level.

[QUOTE=Henryv]Hands down, he deserved it.

Yes, this should be a training video on how not to behave. Again, if I may quote Hannibal Lector - "discourtesy is unspeakably ugly to me."[/QUOTE]
Easy to say, isn't it, when it's another guy.

Your opinion is understandable though, considering the fact that Hannibal Lector is your personal philosopher.

yes grace hotel is still around and is full most of the time except for ramadan holiday. they still have uzbec and other ístan' girls there at night. you can take one up stairs for an additional 500bht the girl has to pay at the hotel reception. maybe a few hundred baht more at security.

Where do you find them, e.g., in the bar of the hotel?

[QUOTE=Lee66]yes grace hotel is still around and is full most of the time except for ramadan holiday. they still have uzbec and other ístan' girls there at night. you can take one up stairs for an additional 500bht the girl has to pay at the hotel reception. maybe a few hundred baht more at security.[/QUOTE]

Very east, with such conduct.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Easy to say, isn't it, when it's another guy.

Your opinion is understandable though, considering the fact that Hannibal Lector is your personal philosopher.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Henryv]Where do you find them, e.g., in the bar of the hotel?[/QUOTE]In the basement of the Grace Hotel (a simple walk down the stairs from the lobby) is a "coffee house"...its more like a disco actually. If I recall correctly there is an entrance fee of maybe 200 baht or so, but it gets you one drink. The place is packed with girls and mongers.

This advice is golden and your reports are first class. I think you should be nominated for top gun in Thailand in this whole thread TKTV. I do remember that my stamina peaked when I was in the military doing PT 3 times a week. I will definitely get back to that routine. By the way I am in NYC now but I visited Thailand last summer and sometimes my cartridge jammed because of. Stamina cardio issue.

Carlos

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I've discussed this many times with folks via PM and such. First it is your general health you need good cardio work outs, eat right, take protein shakes, etc... It does not matter if you are 20 lbs overweight or your age etc... if you get a good cardio work out going it will help a lot. No stamina, no cardio, you overall ability to monger and repeat mongering multiple times will taper off in a hurry no matter how horny you are.

From there you can add in various items like strong multi vitamins, but I add garlic, calcium, fiber, etc... From there you can add in prostate pills seem to help a lot of guys a lot as they get older etc...

From there the herbals I use are Semenax and Ogoplex. I do not necessarily think you need to take herbals, those two just add to the intensity of my climaxes and add to the volume. Those are the only pills I take for sexual performance. Semenax is 3 times a day and Ogoplex is 1 time a day. Does it work, I have no idea if it works for you folks but I see that it works for me and that is the only thing that matters. I do not know if you can get in Asia but I bring it in for some folks when i come on my trips as I can ship it to my country.

The most important is your general health and fitness, if you drop your cardio work outs and fitness regiments then your overall sexual stamina will drop also. I also refrain from all alcohol, not even one drop and I stopped smoking a few years ago also. Plus add large volumes of juice / water. Even when I am mongering I still hit up the gym for atleast half an hour of good cardio but try to get in atleast an hour a day. When I fail to get in some cardio I notice my performance starts to lessen.

I am under complete doctors care and am tested every month for my work for everything from blood to health to heart etc... For me it works, and it starts at the basic fitness level.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy]Well actually my second, I was too beat from the flight from Tokyo and the trip to the hotel to do anything the first night.
Mike[/QUOTE]
Are you getting on a bit? I mean how can you be beat after a flight from Tokyo. Its not that far.
If arrived at your Hotel at 5AM, I could understand, I guess.
Otherwise why waste any time?

Or are you just bored with sex?

Hi,

Can anyone tell me the prices of taking out a girl from either Eden, Annie or Tulip for a full day/night?

Junior

[QUOTE=Junior]Hi,

Can anyone tell me the prices of taking out a girl from either Eden, Annie or Tulip for a full day/night?

Junior[/QUOTE]

I haven't been there recently, but take-away at the Eden Club used to be 3000 baht per girl from 10 pm (22:00) till 6 am (6:00) the next morning. About Annie's and Tulip, the information is probably already available in their specific threads.

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]Are you getting on a bit? I mean how can you be beat after a flight from Tokyo. Its not that far.
If arrived at your Hotel at 5AM, I could understand, I guess.
Otherwise why waste any time?

Or are you just bored with sex?[/QUOTE]

Am I missing something here??? This guy gets in late, goes to sleep, the next day he hooks up, posts pics and a small story and you NEED TO KNOW why he went to sleep upon arrival instead of mongering???????????

WTF?

[QUOTE=Opebo]Yes, but nowadays in many areas these cheap brothels or chicken farms are closed down and no longer exist.[/QUOTE]Opebo. Ever if some cities in the countryside has face serious crackdown and remain still dead for mongering (at least for farang of course). Ever if the girls quality has fall a lot. These cheap place are always alive in their large majority. Or they just move and are more discret.(and you know it very well)

Cheers

[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy]I picked up a girl on the street, her name sounded something like Get, 19 years old very short and tiny. She turned out to be a flip flop, yes yes on the street and no no in the room, no kissing, very little BBBJ, she wanted 1000 ST 2 hours, I just pounded her until I was done, less then an hour, gave her 800 and kicked her out. Mike[/QUOTE]Hi Mike,

You are a brave man and a real nice guy!

First you pound her and then kicked this very strong girl (19) out.

She will sure respect all of us mongers by your brave act.

You earned (stole) baht 200 and you can be proud of yourself.

BTW what you pay in your home country for one hour?
I think u pay baht 1000 only for the pics in your country !

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Size Six Lover]So with zero knowledge other than interrogating the Hotel Bell boy and taxi drivers (which soon had me thinking of the modern proverb of the correlation with opinions and assholes) at 10pm went to J One and had a drink and observed 30 female goblins to average at 3000 Baht and 3 beauties which were 4000 Baht. [/QUOTE]J One and Cupid are all commission paying establishments, which means that they will upcharge you if you arrive in a Tuk Tuk or taxi. Also from my experiences the girls on Rachada soapies are better looking.

As for getting a freebie, they can be had in most of the places you mentioned. Although knowing a little Thai does help. Also most late night clubs like Spicy and Spice are full of working girls who are looking for a good fuck from a young guy after fucking a old dog at work (no offense, we will get old). I have gotten many freebies from these places.

At the heart of it all is the fact that working girls are like all girls, they are all looking for a handsome rich guy who can fuck like a race horse. :) Enjoy your stay in Bkk

I travel 27 hrs with stopovers from toronto with maybe 4 hours of sleep at best on the planes, I arrive from the Tokyo leg around midnight & lucky to be checked in at my hotel around 1am, but somehow I find the urge to monger right from the second I land on Thailand turf, but I have a reputation of being 1 sick little puppy--hahaha

Paolo, I actually think he did nothing wrong.

They agreed on a price of 1,000, which was to include pretty much everything he had requested, "yes yes on the street", and he got pretty much nothing, "no no in the room".

Chances are she has done this many times before and she has got away with it. She just happened to run into someone who decided to only pay for what he got. I might have kicked her out with nothing, instead of consumating a bad deal, and gone to find another more willing partner. Dime a dozen.

Perfectly acceptable in my book.

She doesn't respect us, his "brave act" has nothing to do with anything. She hasn't respected us since the day she got off the bus, don't kid yourself. Her attitude is proof she didnt give a shit about this punter, and won't give a shit about the next one, or the next, or the next.

Nice guy, keep the reposts coming. Some of us like them.

edit : If her next 5 or 6 customers do the same as nice guy did, she probably will not do it again. Sad to say however, the guy she pulls tonight will give her the agreed amount, and only get 1/2 of what she agreed to. Shame on the monger for going along with her bullshit.

Thank you.

Going back to Bangkok from Pattaya, will check it out.

[QUOTE=Mrlee]In the basement of the Grace Hotel (a simple walk down the stairs from the lobby) is a "coffee house"...its more like a disco actually. If I recall correctly there is an entrance fee of maybe 200 baht or so, but it gets you one drink. The place is packed with girls and mongers.[/QUOTE]

1Ball, thank your for the reality check. I was going to initially weigh in on the side of the poor and underprivledged. That is to say, I almost forgot how the gals incessantly try to game you.

Tis certain, he did do the right thing. Once you make the deal both parties have the obligation to honor it.

[QUOTE=1Ball]Paolo, I actually think he did nothing wrong.

They agreed on a price of 1,000, which was to include pretty much everything he had requested, "yes yes on the street", and he got pretty much nothing, "no no in the room".

Chances are she has done this many times before and she has got away with it. She just happened to run into someone who decided to only pay for what he got. I might have kicked her out with nothing, instead of consumating a bad deal, and gone to find another more willing partner. Dime a dozen.

Perfectly acceptable in my book.

She doesn't respect us, his "brave act" has nothing to do with anything. She hasn't respected us since the day she got off the bus, don't kid yourself. Her attitude is proof she didnt give a shit about this punter, and won't give a shit about the next one, or the next, or the next.

Nice guy, keep the reposts coming. Some of us like them.[/QUOTE]

they are in the coffee shop facing soi 3 on lobby floor9overlooking hotel drive up entrance. also some down stairs on ground level on soi 3 in cafe nero. just at night after 23:00 till 04:00 or so. grace being mostly for arabs has no bars, but you can buy beer at all the coffee shops in the hotel.

[QUOTE=PauloThai]You are a brave man and a real nice guy!

First you pound her and then kicked this very strong girl (19) out.

She will sure respect all of us mongers by your brave act.

You earned (stole) baht 200 and you can be proud of yourself.

BTW what you pay in your home country for one hour?
I think u pay baht 1000 only for the pics in your country ![/QUOTE]

Please don't come down hard on our brother and side with this cheating girl.

He's fighting the good fight. If a girl gives less service than promised, there's nothing wrong with paying less - assuming you can get away with it. Of course usually they will start screaming, etc., so it isn't normally possible. But it is most definitely fair. If underpaying the underperformers either gets them to try harder or gets them to leave the business and go home, we're all better off for it.

[QUOTE=Junior]Hi,

Can anyone tell me the prices of taking out a girl from either Eden, Annie or Tulip for a full day/night?

Junior[/QUOTE]I believe Eden is 3000THB but it is after 10:00 PM only, unless they have changed. Annies is 3000THB for takeout regardless of what time they leave (From their website, Probably more for a "sideliner"), and I do not know about Tulip.

DVEight

[QUOTE=Rjsss212]Am I missing something here??? This guy gets in late, goes to sleep, the next day he hooks up, posts pics and a small story and you NEED TO KNOW why he went to sleep upon arrival instead of mongering???????????

WTF?[/QUOTE]
Of course I don't NEED TO KNOW.
Just joking around. Sorry it isn't funny.
Just struck me as funny that the short flight dulled his eargerness.
I now see he was really coming from Toronto, which certainly makes a lot more sense.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Please don't come down hard on our brother and side with this cheating girl.

He's fighting the good fight. If a girl gives less service than promised, there's nothing wrong with paying less. Assuming you can get away with it. Of course usually they will start screaming, etc., so it isn't normally possible. But it is most definitely fair. If underpaying the underperformers either gets them to try harder or gets them to leave the business and go home, we're all better off for it.[/QUOTE]Just to understand what makes both sides tick; could you guys, experienced that you are with a couple of thousand posts, tell us how should one respond to poor performance, if the guy is crude, rude, rough, smelly, akin to Eli Wallach, God rest his soul, in the Good, Bad, and the Ugly.

I am not being sarcastic or judgemental. I would be interested in knowing what would be considered fair in such scenario.

[QUOTE=1Ball]Paolo, I actually think he did nothing wrong.

They agreed on a price of 1,000, which was to include pretty much everything he had requested, "yes yes on the street", and he got pretty much nothing, "no no in the room".

Chances are she has done this many times before and she has got away with it. She just happened to run into someone who decided to only pay for what he got. I might have kicked her out with nothing, instead of consumating a bad deal, and gone to find another more willing partner. Dime a dozen.

Perfectly acceptable in my book.

She doesn't respect us, his "brave act" has nothing to do with anything. She hasn't respected us since the day she got off the bus, don't kid yourself. Her attitude is proof she didnt give a shit about this punter, and won't give a shit about the next one, or the next, or the next.

Nice guy, keep the reposts coming. Some of us like them.

edit : If her next 5 or 6 customers do the same as nice guy did, she probably will not do it again. Sad to say however, the guy she pulls tonight will give her the agreed amount, and only get 1/2 of what she agreed to. Shame on the monger for going along with her bullshit.[/QUOTE]Hi 1Ball and others who reacted,

This case is not what you think, he was totaly wrong!

It is a matter of perceptence. He wanted to hear yes, yes, yes. You forget there are two sides on every story!

She never agreed on what he tried to say to, and ask from her. She only agreed the usual short-time for the usual price and she only said yes when she was asked for pictures within the price.

Look at the pics, and what you see, a cheating girl or a giving girl? And even better, ask Ket yourself, or take Ket (20) for short-time.

After you did that, then give your comment and tell me who cheats.

How brave can a real man be, small girl, 200 baht. Baaaaaaa!

What you think she is thinking, and what about her trust after what happened, how will she treat the next and the next, next.

You talked about respect?

Cheers!

Paulo, from your post below, seems you know this girl. You employ a slightly different name, and mention she never agreeed to what he asked for, etc.

So, have you talked to her? if yes, please let us know the other side of the story. I am curious. After all, we all know that TWG never lie. ;)

[QUOTE=1Ball]Paulo, from your post below, seems you know this girl. You employ a slightly different name, and mention she never agreeed to what he asked for, etc.
[/QUOTE]
There is no reality. Its all just stories and perspectives (and possibly a few lies).
No need to believe anyone 100%

Same name, just alternative spelling.
Get, Ket, Gate, Kate, Gayt, .... whatever.
In Thai words, the letter K without an h following sounds like G.
เกด means Raisin (sultana)

I think 800 is a bit low for a 1 hour screw in BKK. But fine if can get a girl to agree to it! I would prefer to pay twice the amount and get twice the service.

Friend and I did a number of bars in Soi Cowboy. Interesting thing was that at most places the gals did not smile, and actually avoided eye contact. Mentioned to one mamason that it appeared the girls spent most of the time looking at themself in the mirrow. She agreed, and said it was a real problem sometimes.

The excpetion was Tilac (hope I spelled it right). There wee a lot of gals and they were there to work. The differace here is a lot of gals working the floor, i.e., walking around and looking for buisness (lady drink or bar fine). However, they were not pushy. If you exchanged a long smile they would drift over and talk to you.

Met a real stunner (#72). Even before I bought her a ladies drink she was extremely warm and friendly. We discussed bar fine, but she said she would not do bbbj and wanted to use condom. My friend was sitting at the table, he told me that when I said no and went to the men's room she let out a long sigh and put her head on her chest.

All in all, not a bad place to spend some time, the type of place that has some energy and invites a good time.

[QUOTE=Dveight]I believe Eden is 3000THB but it is after 10:00 PM only, unless they have changed. Annies is 3000THB for takeout regardless of what time they leave (From their website, Probably more for a "sideliner"), and I do not know about Tulip.

DVEight[/QUOTE]

Annies is 3,000 for the fishbowl and 5,000 for sideliners for takeout, but the girl gets a percentage of this. If you receive good service, they ask that you give a generous tip. You can have her stay with you all day and all night--up to 23 hours. It's the same fee even if you only stay a few hours, but you normally tip more if she stays a long time.

Tulip is 800 to the house for a two-hour takeout session and 1,500 to the girl for a total of 2,300. If service is good, an exra tip is standard. For all day--all night (24 hours), the fee to the house is 3,000 and the tip is negotiated with the girl. About 4,000 to 5,000 for the girl is standard, but an additional tip is appreciated for good service.

I don't know Ket, but I have met NiceGuy. I'll take his version over hers any day.

NiceGuy, keep your posts coming...

[QUOTE=Suntangh R]...how should one respond to poor performance, if the guy is crude, rude, rough, smelly[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't know, SR. I consider it my part of the deal to not only pay fairly but to also be polite and clean.

[QUOTE=Dimension]Does anyone know if Grace hotel is still there and has uzbek girls?[/QUOTE]

Not sure if this article in the Bk Post has already been posted from a month ago - but its all about the Uzbek girls in Bkok. I can't say I have come across many that are even mildly attractive unless you like large older worn out women.

[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/investigation/9555/the-uzbeki-invasion[/url]

[QUOTE=Finrod]I don't know Ket, but I have met NiceGuy. I'll take his version over hers any day.

NiceGuy, keep your posts coming...[/QUOTE]

A question to all.

How do you know if a TG is lying?

:D

[QUOTE=1Ball]A question to all.

How do you know if a TG is lying?

:D[/QUOTE]
If she's complimenting you? :D

[QUOTE=Daddy07]If she's complimenting you? :D[/QUOTE]

No Daddy, her lips are moving. :D

[QUOTE=1Ball]No Daddy, her lips are moving. :D[/QUOTE]
Oh, yeah ... those TG's are constantly lying to my dick. :D

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Oh, yeah ... those TG's are constantly lying to my dick. :D[/QUOTE]

If so, is she saying something like Yai ( big ) while she is licking when she really means Lek ( small ).

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]If so, is she saying something like Yai ( big ) while she is licking when she really means Lek ( small ).

LBM[/QUOTE]
Something like that, yeah. :D

[QUOTE=Dveight]I believe Eden is 3000THB but it is after 10:00 PM only, unless they have changed. Annies is 3000THB for takeout regardless of what time they leave (From their website, Probably more for a "sideliner"), and I do not know about Tulip.

DVEight[/QUOTE]
Its important to realise that these prices are not all inclusive.
e.g. of 3000 to Tulip, the girl gets zero.
I assume that at Annies the girl will get only a small portion, so still needs to be paid.
etc.
Guys that think they don't have to pay the girl separately are either dumb or arseholes.

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]Its important to realise that these prices are not all inclusive.
e.g. of 3000 to Tulip, the girl gets zero.
I assume that at Annies the girl will get only a small portion, so still needs to be paid.
etc.
Guys that think they don't have to pay the girl separately are either dumb or arseholes.[/QUOTE]

You think that you have to pay [i]more than[/i] 3,000 baht for a night's session? I'm sorry but that's just unrealistic. Why would the price be so outrageously high?

Of course I have never taken a girl out in such a fashion, but I'm sure those in the know will confirm that the 'bar fine' is not 3,000 baht!

But these "dumb assholes" are now LUCKY "dumb assholes" since they now have you to guide them...


[QUOTE=M P Lurker]Its important to realise that these prices are not all inclusive.
e.g. of 3000 to Tulip, the girl gets zero.
I assume that at Annies the girl will get only a small portion, so still needs to be paid.
etc.
Guys that think they don't have to pay the girl separately are either dumb or arseholes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=1Ball]Paulo, from your post below, seems you know this girl. You employ a slightly different name, and mention she never agreeed to what he asked for, etc.
So, have you talked to her? if yes, please let us know the other side of the story. I am curious. After all, we all know that TWG never lie. ;)[/QUOTE]Hi 1Ball,

I think it is clear what I told about Ket (20) and if you not understand it then read it again because that was the other side of the story.

Her correct name, as she told him, is Ket age 20 and not Get age 19. She did what she agreed for baht 1000 and even allowed pics for free.

Once again my best advice go find her, pay 1000 baht and try Ket and after that come back with your comments.

How to spoil a real nice girl, 200 baht, my last comment BAAAAAAA!

Cheers!

Gentlemen,

I've been away from the forum a bit and so have been catching up on my reading. I've been reading the past few pages here and have noticed some disturbing reports as of late. The same with other forums and sites. Reports of high prices, bad attitudes, rip-ffos, crimes, bar/disco closures, etc.

In just the past few pages I have come accross:

1. A guy that pays 3000B + 600B bar-fine for a BEER-BAR girl. WTF!

2. The same fellow the pays an outrageous 4000B + 600B bar-fine UPFRONT for a disappointing go-go girl. WTF! Now we are encouraging paying upfront? ! Don't people realize the scams and star-fish behavior this will encourage!

3. Another gent pays an outrageous 4000B for a disappointing soapy massage girl service. Then TIPS 500B. WTF is the tip for; to encourage poor service?

4. Another reports paying a mid-30's free-lancer 2500B for ST. WTF! What ever happened to 1000B ST?

5. Another guy has a go-go girl set the hotel alarm-clock for a disappoing ST. WTF! Is he reporting from NYC or Bangkok?

6. Another has a free-lancer agree to fun on the street then does a 180 in the room.

From all these terrible experiences reported here and else-where it almost seems that LOS is collapsing as a P4P destination.

So, is it? Or are these just isolated incidents? Is LOS still worth visiting?

Your commments please.

[QUOTE=Henryv]Friend and I did a number of bars in Soi Cowboy. Interesting thing was that at most places the gals did not smile, and actually avoided eye contact. Mentioned to one mamason that it appeared the girls spent most of the time looking at themself in the mirrow. She agreed, and said it was a real problem sometimes.[/QUOTE]Why do the go-go girls do this? Why do they avoid eye-contact, etc. Aren't they there to meet a nice farang and earn some baht?

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]Guys that think they don't have to pay the girl separately are either dumb or arseholes.[/QUOTE]

The girl will make very sure you know the deal before going with you.

ISG appears to be getting more and more people attemtping to promote the services of a couple of places. By doing so they actively encourage over paying, paying up front, over tipping etc.

I have made my points many times, I am still here and I am enjoying Thailand as ever was in the past.

First things first - Freelancers should be 1000B to 1500B short time, depending on what they offer and their looks. Some you will get down to 500B or a little more depending on how desperate they are.

Massage - 500B for a HJ, 1000B for a BJ and 1500B for FS. End of story.

Use of facilities (eg room at massage place) - 400B for 1 hour, 600B for 1.5 hours, 800B for 2 hours.

Avoid at all cost escorts or escort agencies who attempt to rip you off by supplying a 1500B girl for 4000B or more.

Do not tip if you receive bad service.

Do not pay a tip if any place you pay for "all in" pricing up front.

Bar fines - avoid them at all costs. If the girl really likes you she will meet you after work, or in the morning of the next day. If you cannot wait or want to support her in getting her monthly bar fine "quota" then at least agree what she will do and what she will be paid BEFORE you pay the bar fine. Be explicit and do not be shy, these girls get through kilometres of cock per year and never forget that. If she fails to do anything agreed then get rid of her asap and give her 1000B and put it down to experience, and let other ISG members know the bar name and the girls name/number.

I suppose there are more people like me enjoying themselves and happy and quiet, as opposed to those not happy and writing on here so the views may be skewed to be more negative.

[QUOTE=Monopoly]Gentlemen,

I've been away from the forum a bit and so have been catching up on my reading. I've been reading the past few pages here and have noticed some disturbing reports as of late. The same with other forums and sites. Reports of high prices, bad attitudes, rip-ffos, crimes, bar/disco closures, etc.

In just the past few pages I have come accross:

1. A guy that pays 3000B + 600B bar-fine for a BEER-BAR girl. WTF!

2. The same fellow the pays an outrageous 4000B + 600B bar-fine UPFRONT for a disappointing go-go girl. WTF! Now we are encouraging paying upfront? ! Don't people realize the scams and star-fish behavior this will encourage!

3. Another gent pays an outrageous 4000B for a disappointing soapy massage girl service. Then TIPS 500B. WTF is the tip for; to encourage poor service?

4. Another reports paying a mid-30's free-lancer 2500B for ST. WTF! What ever happened to 1000B ST?

5. Another guy has a go-go girl set the hotel alarm-clock for a disappoing ST. WTF! Is he reporting from NYC or Bangkok?

6. Another has a free-lancer agree to fun on the street then does a 180 in the room.

From all these terrible experiences reported here and else-where it almost seems that LOS is collapsing as a P4P destination.

So, is it? Or are these just isolated incidents? Is LOS still worth visiting?

Your commments please.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Finrod]I don't know Ket, but I have met NiceGuy. I'll take his version over hers any day. NiceGuy, keep your posts coming...[/QUOTE]Hi Finrod,

Sure he is a real nice guy to you and great stories to tell about how good he is.

When you two meet again I suggest you drink a beer for 200 Baht.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Monopoly]Gentlemen,

I've been away from the forum a bit and so have been catching up on my reading. I've been reading the past few pages here and have noticed some disturbing reports as of late. The same with other forums and sites. Reports of high prices, bad attitudes, rip-ffos, crimes, bar/disco closures, etc.

In just the past few pages I have come accross:

1. A guy that pays 3000B + 600B bar-fine for a BEER-BAR girl. WTF!

2. The same fellow the pays an outrageous 4000B + 600B bar-fine UPFRONT for a disappointing go-go girl. WTF! Now we are encouraging paying upfront? ! Don't people realize the scams and star-fish behavior this will encourage!

3. Another gent pays an outrageous 4000B for a disappointing soapy massage girl service. Then TIPS 500B. WTF is the tip for; to encourage poor service?

4. Another reports paying a mid-30's free-lancer 2500B for ST. WTF! What ever happened to 1000B ST?

5. Another guy has a go-go girl set the hotel alarm-clock for a disappoing ST. WTF! Is he reporting from NYC or Bangkok?

6. Another has a free-lancer agree to fun on the street then does a 180 in the room.

From all these terrible experiences reported here and else-where it almost seems that LOS is collapsing as a P4P destination.

So, is it? Or are these just isolated incidents? Is LOS still worth visiting?

Your commments please.[/QUOTE]


Question 1 thru 6 = Answer 1 thru 6 = Isolated!


LBM

[QUOTE=Monopoly]From all these terrible experiences reported here and else-where it almost seems that LOS is collapsing as a P4P destination.[/QUOTE]Sounds to me more like just a spate of really clueless tourists.

IMO there are four great mongering destinations left in Asia: Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, and China. Thailand is as good as any of them, and apart from the Philippines, the easiest and most user-friendly. It just takes a bit of research and preparation.

[QUOTE=Canyon]Tulip is 800 to the house for a two-hour takeout session and 1,500 to the girl for a total of 2,300. If service is good, an exra tip is standard. For all day--all night (24 hours), the fee to the house is 3,000 and the tip is negotiated with the girl. About 4,000 to 5,000 for the girl is standard, but an additional tip is appreciated for good service.[/QUOTE]

Ok, last time I was at Tulip was a few months ago, but the total charge was 2,100. Has it gone up even more to 2,300? Can others confirm this? (it was already overpriced at 2,100.

Regarding the take out fees you mention - am I reading this right that you are saying that you pay the massage parlour 3000 baht, and then pay the girl 4,000-5,000 baht on top of this? A total of 7,000-8,000 baht?! Or did you mean the total was 4,000-5,000 baht, including both 'tip' and the 3,000 baht fee? In either case the price is absurd, I'm just curious.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Ok, last time I was at Tulip was a few months ago, but the total charge was 2,100. Has it gone up even more to 2,300? Can others confirm this? (it was already overpriced at 2,100 [/QUOTE]

House charges are:

1 hr 400
1,5 hr 600
2 hr 800

Girl expects to get 1.500 for full service.
These are in house charges.

Most probably you had an hour and half.

[QUOTE=Monopoly]Why do the go-go girls do this? Why do they avoid eye-contact, etc. Aren't they there to meet a nice farang and earn some baht?[/QUOTE]

Funny you say that- I find myself avoiding eye contact with girls unless I want them to come over. Otherwise, I expect these girls to watch themselves in the mirror- it's another trait they share with my pet parakeet, along with a similar IQ.

Has anyone had any experience with "Volume Pills"? I only see intel on Ogoplex and seminax but the websites all say that Volume Pills are superior in performance. Anyone try these Volume Pills yet? I would appreciate all of your feedback before I make a huge investment.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Ok, last time I was at Tulip was a few months ago, but the total charge was 2,100. Has it gone up even more to 2,300? Can others confirm this? (it was already overpriced at 2,100.

Regarding the take out fees you mention - am I reading this right that you are saying that you pay the massage parlour 3000 baht, and then pay the girl 4,000-5,000 baht on top of this? A total of 7,000-8,000 baht?! Or did you mean the total was 4,000-5,000 baht, including both 'tip' and the 3,000 baht fee? In either case the price is absurd, I'm just curious.[/QUOTE]It has to be said, much as I love the flower girls, it's not good value. But it just represents the loss of earnings to the shop and the girl if she goes with you ie in a day she may easily have 4 customers, so that would be 6000 Bht to her and say around 3000 Bht to the house.

So I can see the business logic - they just don't want to encourage all-day take-outs.

I recently wanted to take out my favourite girl from Devil's Den for an o/n, but she was on a 4-day booking with another customer, at I think 7000 Bht per day...

[QUOTE=Sanook D]... it's another trait they share with my pet parakeet, along with a similar IQ.[/QUOTE]

I would not say (nor imply) that go-go and bar girls are stupid. Most of them are uneducated, but certainly way smarter than numerous foreigners. Actually, the dumbest acts that I've witnessed or heard about in Thailand so far were made by Farangs! And funny enough, more often than not, they do those stupid things in order to please a (working or former) bar or go-go girl, go figure!

I would not underestimate your pet parakeet's IQ if I were you... ;)

[QUOTE=Monopoly]Gentlemen,

I've been away from the forum a bit and so have been catching up on my reading. I've been reading the past few pages here and have noticed some disturbing reports as of late. The same with other forums and sites. Reports of high prices, bad attitudes, rip-ffos, crimes, bar/disco closures, etc.

In just the past few pages I have come accross:

1. A guy that pays 3000B + 600B bar-fine for a BEER-BAR girl. WTF!

2. The same fellow the pays an outrageous 4000B + 600B bar-fine UPFRONT for a disappointing go-go girl. WTF! Now we are encouraging paying upfront? ! Don't people realize the scams and star-fish behavior this will encourage!

3. Another gent pays an outrageous 4000B for a disappointing soapy massage girl service. Then TIPS 500B. WTF is the tip for; to encourage poor service?

4. Another reports paying a mid-30's free-lancer 2500B for ST. WTF! What ever happened to 1000B ST?

5. Another guy has a go-go girl set the hotel alarm-clock for a disappoing ST. WTF! Is he reporting from NYC or Bangkok?

6. Another has a free-lancer agree to fun on the street then does a 180 in the room.

From all these terrible experiences reported here and else-where it almost seems that LOS is collapsing as a P4P destination.

So, is it? Or are these just isolated incidents? Is LOS still worth visiting?

Your commments please.[/QUOTE]
First of all are you talking about LOS in general or only BKK?
And by the way try to reply and specify other comments after your hillarous outbrake. PB

[quote=sanook d]funny you say that- i find myself avoiding eye contact with girls unless i want them to come over. otherwise, i expect these girls to watch themselves in the mirror- it's another trait they share with my pet parakeet, along with a similar iq.[/quote]funny, perfect sanook d.

i think the exact same thing.

hmm.

if you want a measure of iq, go spend some time with the farang liason/greeter at patong beach hospital here in phuket. he has stories that will keep you in stitches (sic) & shaking your head (at the same time? )

naked guys falling off of hotel room balconies, naked guys crawling on their bellies in hotel hallways, naked guys on motorbikes involved in serious accidents, naked guys getting the shit kicked out of themselves on the beach, naked guys nearly drowning in the hotel pool at 4am. on and on and on (and that's just the naked guy stories! ). no, these are not thais, they're farangs. now, again, who has the iq of your pet parakeet?

ok, we got that straight.

[b][i]henryv & monopoly[/i][/b] here is your answer:

most farang guys here in thailand are over the hill, sweaty, somewhat balding, overweight, and kinda ugly. if i were on a barstage peering out at the crowd, most of them all blue pill overdosed, glassy eyed and stinky. i'd probably just be looking at myself in the mirror too. you are dudes, da bad boyz, you know, the ones that are [i]supposed[/i] to be the pursuers? it's your job to go after them, not theirs to come after you. hello?

ok. this is thailand. the thing here is, you catch [i]their[/i] eye, make a sweet deal, then go bang the holy living shit out of them. [b]seriously, could it be more easy? [/b]

now you got it.

[QUOTE=Monopoly]Why do the go-go girls do this? Why do they avoid eye-contact, etc. Aren't they there to meet a nice farang and earn some baht?[/QUOTE]Well at the risk of starting hate mail maybe the little darlings don't like what they see. Maybe they are in the wrong business. Maybe they are stupid. Maybe they need the mamasan to teach them. Who knows what the f*** goes on in the mind of any woman regardless of culture or occupation?

There are a billion other beauties that do look and smile and f*** like bunnies. You know the saying if you see someone without a smile, give 'em one of yours (especially if she has BIG TITS)! haha! Peace.

[QUOTE=Monopoly]Why do the go-go girls do this? Why do they avoid eye-contact, etc. Aren't they there to meet a nice farang and earn some baht?[/QUOTE]

I mentioned this to Soap Fan when I was out with him one night. IIRC he rightfully noted that they are bored for one thing. That said if you are in the middle of a drink with them they will likely look in your direction now and then from the stage. When I notice this I always flash a toothy smile. The reason is that from where they are it is not necessarily all that easy to see us. The toothy smile will stand out and I'll get one back.

[quote=barko]funny, perfect sanook d.


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here is your answer:

most farang guys here in thailand are over the hill, sweaty, somewhat balding, overweight, and kinda ugly. if i were on a barstage peering out at the crowd, most of them all blue pill overdosed, glassy eyed and stinky. i'd probably just be looking at myself in the mirror too. you are dudes, da bad boyz, you know, the ones that are [i]supposed[/i] to be the pursuers? it's your job to go after them, not theirs to come after you. hello?

ok. this is thailand. the thing here is, you catch [i]their[/i] eye, make a sweet deal, then go bang the holy living shit out of them. [b]seriously, could it be more easy? [/b]

now you got it.[/quote]
i pretty much agree with barko.

only the most brazen slutty girls (in the view of some) are really going to oggle the ugly customers, or even the handsome ones. girls do not generally want to appear that slutty. this is not really my opinion but considering thai social norms.

they are bored out of their brains dancing gogo to same songs from yester-year day in and day out. they may have serious money problems causing them not to be particularly happy.

the obvious place for them to gaze is in the mirror where can see yourself and the other girls well. can then compare dancing styles and looks. they may not be looking at anything in particular - "jai loi" (which means a floating mind).

why try the come on to a farang only to get rejected. its much easier to wait for the farang to come to the girl.
i usually reject girls that put on a big act for me, prefering the more natural girls.

only a small percentage of girls have so much confidence that they seriously think they can hook their preferred guy.

i have even met very shy girls who looked stunning in the bar.

who cares what the iq of the girl is? i don't go there looking for a deep and meaningful conversation. i would rather have a sweet nice girl with fab looks, that is willing to relax and have a good time while making some money, than a super intellegent one that will try to manipulate me.

like barko says. i sit and watch umpteen girls. i decide i like one. i wave at her and if she spots me then i make the motion of having a drink so she knows. if she is facing a different way, i may be forced to walk right up to the stage in front of her, to invite her over. that way she just cannot miss me. i don't waste too much time inviting her over, in case another customer should invite her first.
after a chat/drink, i can always change my mind, and call a different one later. or to keep them guessing, invite two or three girls, and then later decide which one is best.

p.s. girls that already have a customer, will certainly have no reason to be catching your eye!

Hi guys, I have been reading all these reports in preparation for my first trip to Thailand. I have read about Jungle Jims, Toy Bar, Moonshine Join, Fannys here in the forum and they seem very interesting however do not have a location for them. I plan on visiting them when I am in Thailand. I have tried to do a search for them but did not find their location.

Can someone tell me if they are in Bangkok or Pattaya? Lastly, I would appreciate an address of these bars, are they close to each other? Thanks for any help.

In Bangkok within Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=Csun213]Hi guys, I have been reading all these reports in preparation for my first trip to Thailand. I have read about Jungle Jims, Toy Bar, Moonshine Join, Fannys here in the forum and they seem very interesting however do not have a location for them. I plan on visiting them when I am in Thailand. I have tried to do a search for them but did not find their location.

Can someone tell me if they are in Bangkok or Pattaya? Lastly, I would appreciate an address of these bars, are they close to each other? Thanks for any help.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jgm005]In Bangkok within Soi Cowboy.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the quick response. Are all these bars in the same area? Also are the names of the bar that I posted correct? Hate to miss a bar just because I spelled incorrectly. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Csun213]Thanks for the quick response. Are all these bars in the same area? Also are the names of the bar that I posted correct? Hate to miss a bar just because I spelled incorrectly. Thanks again.[/QUOTE]
This is a good site that shows everything in Soi Cowboy

[url]http://www.bangkok.resort-hotels.net/nightlife/soi-cowboy.html[/url]

[QUOTE=David 2]This is a good site that shows everything in Soi Cowboy

[url]http://www.bangkok.resort-hotels.net/nightlife/soi-cowboy.html[/url][/QUOTE]

Thanks. I appreciate the link.

[QUOTE=Csun213]Thanks for the quick response. Are all these bars in the same area? Also are the names of the bar that I posted correct? Hate to miss a bar just because I spelled incorrectly. Thanks again.[/QUOTE]Csun213,

Now, that's interesting. This are all very small bars, not many times mentioned ... and as I know all belong to one owner.

What's the story behind this bar selection?


Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto]Csun213,

Now, that's interesting. This are all very small bars, not many times mentioned ... and as I know all belong to one owner.

What's the story behind this bar selection?


Giotto[/QUOTE]


When I was reading all the reports preparing for my trip, someone was saying that these bars have the wildest girls and was the most amount of fun he had in Thailand. This is why I want to go and check them out.

[QUOTE=Csun213]When I was reading all the reports preparing for my trip, someone was saying that these bars have the wildest girls and was the most amount of fun he had in Thailand. This is why I want to go and check them out.[/QUOTE]Csun213,

What's about the other bars, mentioned recently - Long Gun, Baccara, Sharks, Tilac ... and the Rainbow bars in Nana ...


Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto]Csun213,

What's about the other bars, mentioned recently - Long Gun, Baccara, Sharks, Tilac ... and the Rainbow bars in Nana ...


Giotto[/QUOTE]

Oh we are planning on check them out also since they are very well known so no problem finding them.

[QUOTE=Csun213]When I was reading all the reports preparing for my trip, someone was saying that these bars have the wildest girls and was the most amount of fun he had in Thailand. This is why I want to go and check them out.[/QUOTE]

YMMV.... What one person thinks is a wild girl is not what others think are wild girls. What one person think is a hot chick is not what others think. Really... you are making a lot of plans and doing a lot of research but honestly you are depending too much on reports from others. I walked into some of the bars on Soi Cowboy and they were filled with ugly girls, or girls with attitudes, or young young girls who don't even look like they know how to screw properly, or girls that wanted too high a price etc....

Cowboy, really is for the tourist and they assume that when you walk in there you don't know any better and you'll pay a higher fee and some try to pull a bait and switch on you (agree to one thing then try another). YES I PULLED FROM COWBOY recently but it really is not filled with wild crazy girls.

You gotta work hard and survey the entire place to find what you want and like. Before I found a real diamond in the rough from Dundee of all friggin places and I WOULD NEVER recommend anyone going there as it is a dive.

The only thing I can recommend is take a close look at pricing. I overpay as I expect multiple shots and really long time for me. But most girls will want 4 K and expect two pops and then leave or even have the nuts to ask for taxi money. That is the same price you get on Soi 33. They will want lady drinks that are about the size of shots (and the shots are usually watered down). They will push for dinner or this or that etc... In other words some girls you might hook up with will play the game and try to ring you out of a lot of extra baht.

Some guys do only short time, some like long time, etc... So just like in MP's, do not take girls names specifically, take their names and go to the shop and do a line up and ask them their names etc..., but keep and open mind and pick a girl who has good eye contact to you and smiling etc... In the Bars, make notes of names but do not expect them to fit what you want.

What I am starting to think from your reports now are that you have all these high expectations and you are reading these reports from people you do not know personally and do not know what type of person they are or what they like and you are basing a lot on this reports that you will be very disappointed with the level of service and the bars when you DO get there. Finding the girls to suit what you want and enjoy is not the same for everyone.

What is happening now that is in your benefit with the poor economy is that there are a LOT of girls, a lot better looking girls, girls are going the extra mile trying to satisfy the customer due to the lack of customers, etc... It really is a buyers market now.

Good Luck... Enjoy your planning sessions and I wish you well... I am not slamming you or flaming you at all, I just hope you are not over planning your trip as we have talked via PM on issues. Get some basic info then go with the flow and enjoy. There are times when over planning can ruin your trip.

EDIT: recently we had four or five senior ISG members, I think most of us all had over 1,000 posts in thailand, we've known each other for years, we've all been to thailand probably over 30 trips each for most of us, we all have had long term GF's in thaialnd, and were sitting at Baccara. We all thought different girls were hot looking. We liked the looks of some of the same girls but we all found different girls that we liked most. So what one person reports does not mean it will suit you at all.

[QUOTE=Csun213]When I was reading all the reports preparing for my trip, someone was saying that these bars have the wildest girls and was the most amount of fun he had in Thailand. This is why I want to go and check them out.[/QUOTE]
last time i was in these locations they all had a "naughty-boy" corner. A place where you may obtain delights from your hostess just out of sight from the other patrons. Usually around the corner of the bar,you can still be seen, but the bar will hide the activity. :)

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]YMMV.... What one person thinks is a wild girl is not what others think are wild girls. What one person think is a hot chick is not what others think. Really... you are making a lot of plans and doing a lot of research but honestly you are depending too much on reports from others. I walked into some of the bars on Soi Cowboy and they were filled with ugly girls, or girls with attitudes, or young young girls who don't even look like they know how to screw properly, or girls that wanted too high a price etc....

Cowboy, really is for the tourist and they assume that when you walk in there you don't know any better and you'll pay a higher fee and some try to pull a bait and switch on you (agree to one thing then try another). YES I PULLED FROM COWBOY recently but it really is not filled with wild crazy girls.

You gotta work hard and survey the entire place to find what you want and like. Before I found a real diamond in the rough from Dundee of all friggin places and I WOULD NEVER recommend anyone going there as it is a dive.

The only thing I can recommend is take a close look at pricing. I overpay as I expect multiple shots and really long time for me. But most girls will want 4 K and expect two pops and then leave or even have the nuts to ask for taxi money. That is the same price you get on Soi 33. They will want lady drinks that are about the size of shots (and the shots are usually watered down). They will push for dinner or this or that etc... In other words some girls you might hook up with will play the game and try to ring you out of a lot of extra baht.

Some guys do only short time, some like long time, etc... So just like in MP's, do not take girls names specifically, take their names and go to the shop and do a line up and ask them their names etc..., but keep and open mind and pick a girl who has good eye contact to you and smiling etc... In the Bars, make notes of names but do not expect them to fit what you want.

What I am starting to think from your reports now are that you have all these high expectations and you are reading these reports from people you do not know personally and do not know what type of person they are or what they like and you are basing a lot on this reports that you will be very disappointed with the level of service and the bars when you DO get there. Finding the girls to suit what you want and enjoy is not the same for everyone.

What is happening now that is in your benefit with the poor economy is that there are a LOT of girls, a lot better looking girls, girls are going the extra mile trying to satisfy the customer due to the lack of customers, etc... It really is a buyers market now.

Good Luck... Enjoy your planning sessions and I wish you well... I am not slamming you or flaming you at all, I just hope you are not over planning your trip as we have talked via PM on issues. Get some basic info then go with the flow and enjoy. There are times when over planning can ruin your trip.

EDIT: recently we had four or five senior ISG members, I think most of us all had over 1,000 posts in thailand, we've known each other for years, we've all been to thailand probably over 30 trips each for most of us, we all have had long term GF's in thaialnd, and were sitting at Baccara. We all thought different girls were hot looking. We liked the looks of some of the same girls but we all found different girls that we liked most. So what one person reports does not mean it will suit you at all.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, I understand what you are saying, the problem is that 3 of us are going together and it will be the first time for all 3 of us.

I am just gathering all the locations from guys that said they had fun there. We will check out each location as time permits. I know that the experience will be different for everyone but would like to check out all the famous places and other places highly recommend by guys here. This will give us a lot of places to check out and fun doing it.

[QUOTE=Csun213]Thanks, I understand what you are saying, the problem is that 3 of us are going together and it will be the first time for all 3 of us.

I am just gathering all the locations from guys that said they had fun there. We will check out each location as time permits. I know that the experience will be different for everyone but would like to check out all the famous places and other places highly recommend by guys here. This will give us a lot of places to check out and fun doing it.[/QUOTE]3 friends. First time in BKK. You are going to have a great time!

Tansak KTV has given you some sound advice. It's good to have a plan – a general outline of places you want to check out and not miss. But when you hit the ground and start your exploits, things will happen – "best laid plans" and all that. At some point you will drop your plans and just wing it and that's when things will start to get really good. So loosen up. Go with the flow – don't get crazy and you will have a great time. BKK is amazing. The overall info you get on this forum is incredibly accurate. Use it! But as Tansak points out specific preferences vary. You got to go with what turns you on. For me, if this where my first time visit to BKK, I would check out a highly rated oily massage parlor like Angel Massage on my first afternoon in town. I would take my time and pick an attractive girl who smiles and gives me some eye contact. I would buy 90 minutes with her. That would insure 2 BBBJ and 2 CFS. The sex will vary from pretty good to hot damn! It depends on the girl. After a satisfying session I would give the girl a nice tip, go out and wander around Sukumvit. I would buy some t- shirts and have dinner. Around 8pm I would head over to Cowboy and check out 2 or 3 of the bars on your list. At some point I would probably stop by Baccara just to see what's going on. IMHO Baccara has a very good selection of pretty girls. (note: I am aware of the cons, but I still like Baccara anyway). After a 90 minute afternoon session I find that I am usually in the right frame of mind to enjoy Cowboy. I always go with the attitude that getting laid is strictly optional. I am there to have a few drinks and soak up the local color. With 2 wingmen by your side, I know you will have a great time! A bar girl has to be more than just hot to move me. She has to have the right attitude. Otherwise forgetaboutit. Keep on truckin'. It's all good.

Next day I do it all over again; in the morning tourist stuff, in the afternoon massage time (I might try a highly regarded soapy for a change), then fool around about town. After dinner I would go back to Cowboy, or Nana and check out some more bars (Rainbow 4 being another bar you guys should not miss (note; there are cons to this bar too but still worth a look see IMHO). If I hook up with a girl I really like, I give her my cell number and plan on having her visit my hotel room. If I don't meet a girl I want a 2nd round with that's cool too.

The point I am trying to make is that at the end of a BKK trip, it should end up being an exclusive trip tailored specifically to my preferences (your preferences) and conditioned by the random events that exclusively occur to me (you) while out and about.

Have a great time; I know I will on my next trip (4 months and counting). AND Stay thirsty!

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In Thailand they are not hungry for Baht, as in there very existance and whether they can eat or not does not depend on a desperate fuck with some monger.

The girls have a support network, top girls will to some extent help lower ones, they love being the "numero uno" and having a gang of girls to cater to her ego.

Therefore the girls are often very choosy about who they go with. Their status in eyes of the other girls in the bar will rise if they keep getting taken out by "handsum man" but will go down if they keep going with ugly geeks, overwight guys or 60+ year olds.

Therefore they are quite choosy about who they go with.

However they will also play against this, eg if "fat man" pays 4000 baht each time and can only fcuk for 5 minutes and is spent, she will defend going with him by telling all the other girls he is easy money and a really quick fcuk, so they will understand her choice. But its still not the same "points score" as if a "handsum man" takes her out.

So yes, often they will avoid eye contact, and this means they are not interested in you.

If the girl who has been avoiding eye contact with you all night suddenly near closing starts making eye contact DO NOT THINK you have become lucky, all it means is she is now desperate for cash and will take you as against nothing at all. It generally also means you will get a lousy fcuk as she really has no interest in you at all.

[QUOTE=Monopoly]Why do the go-go girls do this? Why do they avoid eye-contact, etc. Aren't they there to meet a nice farang and earn some baht?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Csun213]When I was reading all the reports preparing for my trip, someone was saying that these bars have the wildest girls and was the most amount of fun he had in Thailand. This is why I want to go and check them out.[/QUOTE]

Not sure about the others, but I pop into Moonshine Joint every trip.
For a first timer you will probably be swamped with girls straight away asking for drinks and giving you a shoulder massage for a drink, etc. Can be a hassle.
Thankfully, I dont get that attention anymore. I like it there for the selection of music....you can sit at the end of the bar by the computer and compile your own playlist.

Hi guys,

I am a first timer here. As I have never been BKK before and am going to BKK next month, I would like to look for girls few nights there. Thinking what would be a better place for me as a stranger to seek girls in BKK.

According to what I have read from this forum, we could either find girls from go-go bar or message parlour?

If we would like to bring those girls from go-go bar back to our hotel, we need to pay the bar fine and then pay the girls for the night FS. So what would be the fair price I have to pay the bar fine and TO the girl as well for a whole night FS?

How about those girls from massage parlour? What would be the reasonable price I need to pay for a whole night FS by bringing them back to my hotel?

I am sorry if you guys keep repeating answer this kind of inquiry that you might answer in other threads at other pages, but there are just too many pages I need to read through and might omit some of them. Truely appreciate if you guys can provide some hints for me to look for girls at BKK.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]There's action to be had at the Rangsit Boxing Stadium at night ( the girls sit in front, you can do a drive by).

Also for those looking for info on the massage place. It is a little before the Stadium, next to the Nissan dealership. ( look for neon lights)

There is also action to be had west of Future Park a bit. You will see what looks like a restaurant with pictures of Asian girls in the front.

As far as your experience will go. I can not say, most of these girls are use to servicing Thai guys and rarely will you find one that can speak English. So if you know a little Thai that will help.

Good luck and happy hunting[/QUOTE]

Andy, I would be very, very careful about pick-ups near the front of the stadium...which is actually the front of the disco (the stadium is way out back!). The "girls" are hanging in front of the kid's karate place....front of the disco. The only problem is that these "girls" are 90% of the time not girls....and 10% drug addicts just pushing a fast short time at the two hotels to the left and right.....to pay the drug dealer in the disco. I have a lot of experience in this zone, as I live 2 minutes away. There have been over 10 gun fights in this area in less than 4 months....all Thai involved. I disagree, this is not a good place to look for women.

I have been to the other places you mention.....I can speak fluent Thai now. They are Ok......but nothing special.....I have taken the van into Morchit many times to avoid these specific local places. I have not found any great quality yet....but glad you are happy here.

[QUOTE=Sainter21]Not sure about the others, but I pop into Moonshine Joint every trip.
For a first timer you will probably be swamped with girls straight away asking for drinks and giving you a shoulder massage for a drink, etc. Can be a hassle.
Thankfully, I dont get that attention anymore. I like it there for the selection of music....you can sit at the end of the bar by the computer and compile your own playlist.[/QUOTE]

I would assume that the girls would leave you alone after you purchase a LD drink for the girl that you like or do they still hassle you for drinks for the other ladies?

[QUOTE=Giotto]What's the story behind this bar selection?[/QUOTE]

Some of the most fun I've had in Cowboy has been in Fanny's (went upstairs with a girl I'm still looking out for a year later) and Afterskool (once, the naughty boys' corner was occupied and I got jerked off on the seat facing the stage). And another of the small bars where all the girls are from Buriram and buck naked all the time.

[QUOTE=Csun213]Hi guys, I have been reading all these reports in preparation for my first trip to Thailand. I have read about Jungle Jims, Toy Bar, Moonshine Join, Fannys here in the forum and they seem very interesting however do not have a location for them. I plan on visiting them when I am in Thailand. I have tried to do a search for them but did not find their location.

Can someone tell me if they are in Bangkok or Pattaya? Lastly, I would appreciate an address of these bars, are they close to each other? Thanks for any help.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.bangkokeyes.com/mapsoic.html#[/url]

And this shows where Soi Cowboy is:
[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044836624e9b986acc9&ll=13.736717,100.562432&spn=0.005597,0.008519&z=17[/url]

Just some added comments, without trying to teach the experienced Tansak anything (of course not).

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]
Cowboy, really is for the tourist and they assume that when you walk in there you don't know any better and you'll pay a higher fee and some try to pull a bait and switch on you (agree to one thing then try another). YES I PULLED FROM COWBOY recently but it really is not filled with wild crazy girls.
[/QUOTE]
Its not JUST for the tourist newbie. Experienced guys go there sometimes.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]
You gotta work hard and survey the entire place to find what you want and like. Before I found a real diamond in the rough from Dundee of all friggin places and I WOULD NEVER recommend anyone going there as it is a dive.
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Its not hard work if you have plenty of free time available.
Some of us don't.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]
The only thing I can recommend is take a close look at pricing. I overpay as I expect multiple shots and really long time for me. But most girls will want 4 K and expect two pops and then leave or even have the nuts to ask for taxi money. That is the same price you get on Soi 33. They will want lady drinks that are about the size of shots (and the shots are usually watered down). They will push for dinner or this or that etc... In other words some girls you might hook up with will play the game and try to ring you out of a lot of extra baht.
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Its a good idea to appear that have some experience to avoid ridiculous prices.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]
..., but keep and open mind and pick a girl who has good eye contact to you and smiling etc...
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Above all pick a girl that seems to react well to you, but not putting on too much of an act playing up to you.
Bear in mind that many girls will look at you much while dancing out of shyness. But some chemistry is essential, if she is sitting with you. Good dancers are often a good choice. She must be capable of having some fun.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]
... It really is a buyers market now.

Good Luck... Enjoy your planning sessions and I wish you well... I am not slamming you or flaming you at all, I just hope you are not over planning your trip as we have talked via PM on issues. Get some basic info then go with the flow and enjoy. There are times when over planning can ruin your trip.
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Just get into the exploring mood, try a few places of contrasting styles. See what happens.
If a newbie, try to resist getting too caught up with a girl until you have had time to do quite abit of surveying.

Almost always you will a hotter girl later, after you have already selected, unless you have arrived too late.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]
EDIT: recently we had four or five senior ISG members, I think most of us all had over 1,000 posts in thailand, we've known each other for years, we've all been to thailand probably over 30 trips each for most of us, we all have had long term GF's in thaialnd, and were sitting at Baccara. We all thought different girls were hot looking. We liked the looks of some of the same girls but we all found different girls that we liked most. So what one person reports does not mean it will suit you at all.[/QUOTE]
If we all liked the same girl, there would be big problems.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV] I found a real diamond in the rough from Dundee of all friggin places [/QUOTE]

What is a diamond in the rough exactly?

Are we talking about what would be a stunningly gorgeous girl who doesn't have either the experience or polish yet?

Or a girl who isn't quite top notch but has some hint of beauty?

I just say this cuz I see this phrase used a lot, and then sometimes when the photo is shown, I just think, ok that there's not ever gonna be a diamond no matter what.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]Some of the most fun I've had in Cowboy has been in Fanny's (went upstairs with a girl I'm still looking out for a year later) and Afterskool (once, the naughty boys' corner was occupied and I got jerked off on the seat facing the stage). And another of the small bars where all the girls are from Buriram and buck naked all the time.[/QUOTE]

I agree with Rocksoff about Fanny. They do have a naughty boy corner toward the back of the bar where any thing go. For those wanting to hear more graphic detail, PM me.

I will go to Thailand end of October, for a round-trip within the country. In BKK I want to pick up a travel-companion for my trip.
Is it a good idea simply to try the gogo bars or massage salons, or are there better alternatives, like escort service ?
Or better to try to find a companion in Pattaya ?
Of course, she should be rather good looking. I am a bit spoiled, because actually I am already living for a while in Ukraine. And, besides in Hollywood, here are the real beauties :-)

What is the price range expected by the girl for 2 weeks ?

[QUOTE=Reiner Otto]I will go to Thailand end of October, for a round-trip within the country. In BKK I want to pick up a travel-companion for my trip.
Is it a good idea simply to try the gogo bars or massage salons, or are there better alternatives, like escort service ?
Or better to try to find a companion in Pattaya ?
Of course, she should be rather good looking. I am a bit spoiled, because actually I am already living for a while in Ukraine. And, besides in Hollywood, here are the real beauties :-)

What is the price range expected by the girl for 2 weeks ?[/QUOTE]

Do you go to Newcastle and bring your own coal with you? Do you bring your own rice to the countryside in China?

My experience is, if you actually connect with a lady, it can happen anywhere. But you can't force it. There is nothing I'd enjoy LESS than being with someone for a vacation, when I don't actually enjoy her company and her conversation. As for someone to have sex with - there are plenty of them anywhere you would care to go in Thailand. For cheap. And then you get to send them on their way.

Of all the women I've ever met in Thailand (we're talking about 120-150 or so), exactly two of them were worth keeping around when I wasn't actually fucking them. Paying them and sending them on their way may be the greatest investment of your trip.

[QUOTE=Reiner Otto]I will go to Thailand end of October, for a round-trip within the country. In BKK I want to pick up a travel-companion for my trip.
Is it a good idea simply to try the gogo bars or massage salons, or are there better alternatives, like escort service ?
Or better to try to find a companion in Pattaya ?
Of course, she should be rather good looking. I am a bit spoiled, because actually I am already living for a while in Ukraine. And, besides in Hollywood, here are the real beauties :-)

What is the price range expected by the girl for 2 weeks ?[/QUOTE]

I think that it's not very difficult to find a travel companion (if it's what you wish) in Bangkok or in Pattaya, but in my humble opinion, you should first try to spend a few days with the girl of your choice before deciding to travel (or not) with her (to be sure that you won't be bored too quickly with this girl).

I would probably choose a freelancer either in Bangkok or in Pattaya: they often can speak English decently enough in these area and are not as spoilt as some gogo or MP girls and would probably be very happy to travel with you (provided that they don't have a Thai boyfriend or children to take care of). Moreover, this would cost you lesser bucks (no barfine and usually more reasonable monetary pretentions).

Many (single) freelancers in Pattaya (prices are a bit higher in Bangkok) would go with you for 1000 or 1500 baht per day (and you should have even less difficulties if you offer them up to 2000 baht per day), but of course, you will have to pay for all the other expenses then (accommodation, food, transportation, shopping - clothes and cosmetics mainly - and probably a few gifts, etc.).

For a gogo or a MP girl and depending on the policy at their working place, you would probably pay twice, thrice or even more than that (including the barfine / take-away fee).

Of course, you have to be careful with certain freelancers because some of them (not that numerous actually) are thieves (in fact, in more than 10 years of active mongering in Thailand mostly with freelancers, I haven't met one of this kind but other people say they have). But if you take some basic precautions, you should not have any problem.

I wanted to clarify my post 2 messages down, in which I really shit all over the concept of picking up a Thailand working girl as a travel companion. Here's why:

She's certainly not going to like the food you like. She's certainly not going to enjoy the sort of entertainment you like outside of the bedroom. And she's certainly going to want to yap on her cellphone with her friends all of the time.

IMHO, it is extremely rare that an older farang is going to have anything at all in terms of common interests with any LBFM that he casually meets for sex in Thailand. As I said, I met exactly two of them in the well over 100 ladies that I picked up - and that is out of a sample that was heavily biased in favor of intelligence and English language skills in addition to sexual attractiveness.

You are going to feel like you cannot see the things you wish to see, and do the things you wish to do on your travels, if you are dragging along some Thai girl who has no interest in those things, and is only with you because you are her walking ATM.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Are we talking about what would be a stunningly gorgeous girl who doesn't have either the experience or polish yet?

Or a girl who isn't quite top notch but has some hint of beauty[/QUOTE]

For me it was a girl who got into town and could not put on makeup, had no idea how to dress or walk in high heels, she was a complete isaan farm girl. She was pretty and she had the ability to screw but was not good at sex yet. I spent time with her and taught her things and she was a lovely girl, good heart, beautiful, sweet, etc... I was not such a bastard I could have spent years with her.

I did such a good job that some Farang is happily married to her. But due to his generosity I still get to nail her when I go to BKK while he supports her :D

[QUOTE=Member #2041]I wanted to clarify my post 2 messages down, in which I really shit all over the concept of picking up a Thailand working girl as a travel companion. Here's why:

She's certainly not going to like the food you like. She's certainly not going to enjoy the sort of entertainment you like outside of the bedroom. And she's certainly going to want to yap on her cellphone with her friends all of the time.

IMHO, it is extremely rare that an older farang is going to have anything at all in terms of common interests with any LBFM that he casually meets for sex in Thailand. As I said, I met exactly two of them in the well over 100 ladies that I picked up - and that is out of a sample that was heavily biased in favor of intelligence and English language skills in addition to sexual attractiveness.

You are going to feel like you cannot see the things you wish to see, and do the things you wish to do on your travels, if you are dragging along some Thai girl who has no interest in those things, and is only with you because you are her walking ATM.[/QUOTE]

Quite Right!

[QUOTE=Member #2041]She's certainly not going to like the food you like. She's certainly not going to enjoy the sort of entertainment you like outside of the bedroom. And she's certainly going to want to yap on her cellphone with her friends all of the time. [/QUOTE]

Not only this but are they going to let you go out and screw other girls, sit there and watch you screw other girls, or go out and get an meal while you are screwing other girls.

I've meet more then 2 girls for me that I can travel with and such but it isn't many. But I do have to admit it is nice to take a girl for two or three days get aways at times. For two solid weeks... now that is a wife or serious TGF type trip not a pick up a bar girl to go with you type trip.

Anyways I know many girls that will go with him for the money if he wants :D

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]If we all liked the same girl, there would be big problems.[/QUOTE]

Nah... I'm a good wing man not like Fox2. I always let my elders pick first :D

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Not only this but are they going to let you go out and screw other girls, sit there and watch you screw other girls, or go out and get an meal while you are screwing other girls.

I've meet more then 2 girls for me that I can travel with and such but it isn't many. But I do have to admit it is nice to take a girl for two or three days get aways at times. For two solid weeks... now that is a wife or serious TGF type trip not a pick up a bar girl to go with you type trip.

Anyways I know many girls that will go with him for the money if he wants :D[/QUOTE]This year when I went diving a German guy had brought a Thai girl out on the boat for 4 days. The boat is not designed for comfort with no air con etc so she was quickly unhappy about that. The Thais on the boat were very unsure of her and the rest of us started to hide our money and bits away.

By end of 4 days Thai girl and German are not really talking and she spends all her time playing cards with the cooks on the boat. So it didn't work for him!

[QUOTE=Enchoo]Has anyone had any experience with "Volume Pills"? I only see intel on Ogoplex and seminax but the websites all say that Volume Pills are superior in performance. Anyone try these Volume Pills yet? I would appreciate all of your feedback before I make a huge investment.[/QUOTE]

I tried these before, and saw no results... My opinion, they are a waste of money.

Question one, how much are you willing to pay?

From there suggestions may be able to be made, without knowing your budget its impossible to answer your questions.

[QUOTE=Reiner Otto]I will go to Thailand end of October, for a round-trip within the country. In BKK I want to pick up a travel-companion for my trip.

Is it a good idea simply to try the gogo bars or massage salons, or are there better alternatives, like escort service ?

Or better to try to find a companion in Pattaya ?

Of course, she should be rather good looking. I am a bit spoiled, because actually I am already living for a while in Ukraine. And, besides in Hollywood, here are the real beauties :-)

What is the price range expected by the girl for 2 weeks ?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stiffoak 571]This year when I went diving a German guy had brought a Thai girl out on the boat for 4 days. The boat is not designed for comfort with no air con etc so she was quickly unhappy about that. The Thais on the boat were very unsure of her and the rest of us started to hide our money and bits away.

By end of 4 days Thai girl and German are not really talking and she spends all her time playing cards with the cooks on the boat. So it didn't work for him![/QUOTE]


Life on a boat is already difficult for anyone, even friends
Go imagine what it means with what at the end is a stranger
That maybe you take along mainly for sex.
Could not work even on principles
So no wonder it ended up that way

[QUOTE=Enchoo]Has anyone had any experience with "Volume Pills"? I only see intel on Ogoplex and seminax but the websites all say that Volume Pills are superior in performance. Anyone try these Volume Pills yet? I would appreciate all of your feedback before I make a huge investment.[/QUOTE]Dude, don't waste your money.

Every day: Drink lots of water. Take [b]L-arginine and L-lysine[/b], selenium, zinc, folic acid, and vitamins B12, C, and E. And, make sure to do a few push-ups and some kegels every day too. You'll notice a real difference in about three weeks. (It really does work.)

So then, when you do the deed, delay as long as you can, and when you pull out & pop, you'll hit her in the face with a massive pulsing load (yeah it does feel good doesn't it?) Then she will say, "Oh my! Enchoo you really did miss me!" ;)

Hell, I'm an old fart, old as dirt. I cum in buckets and chicks really do dig it (something about fertility & female psychology.)

Volume pills don't do shit.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]I wanted to clarify my post 2 messages down, in which I really shit all over the concept of picking up a Thailand working girl as a travel companion. Here's why:

She's certainly not going to like the food you like. She's certainly not going to enjoy the sort of entertainment you like outside of the bedroom. And she's certainly going to want to yap on her cellphone with her friends all of the time.

IMHO, it is extremely rare that an older farang is going to have anything at all in terms of common interests with any LBFM that he casually meets for sex in Thailand. As I said, I met exactly two of them in the well over 100 ladies that I picked up - and that is out of a sample that was heavily biased in favor of intelligence and English language skills in addition to sexual attractiveness.

You are going to feel like you cannot see the things you wish to see, and do the things you wish to do on your travels, if you are dragging along some Thai girl who has no interest in those things, and is only with you because you are her walking ATM.[/QUOTE]Well, depends what you're after...

I spend a lot of time with one girl (the Shrimp). Having met her once in BKK, on my next trip I then paid for her company for 6 days, although I suggested we reviewed that after a couple of days. It went well.

She acts as my guide. I only eat Thai food in Thailand so she is responsible for choosing our food every day. She also teaches me about Thailand and it's customs, shows me a few interesting places that she knows about, negotiates a 'local' discount on all products and services, etc. She is fun to be with.

I have told her that I have no problem with her talking on her phone to her friends, including other customers, but she only does it in moderation. She took me to see the shows at AngelWitch ('Gosh, dear, do they have dancing girls here? I never realised!') and quite enjoyed them herself.

She has some great stories, and we have a surprising amount in common...

Having said all that, it's important to give yourself a bit of space, and I occasionally go and 'work' in a bar or invent business meetings. But if you start with the premise that they are LBFM then I guess you're going to find it hard to click.

[QUOTE=Barko]Dude, don't waste your money.

Every day: Drink lots of water. Take [b]L-arginine and L-lysine[/b], selenium, zinc, folic acid, and vitamins B12, C, and E. And, make sure to do a few push-ups and some kegels every day too. You'll notice a real difference in about three weeks. (It really does work.)

So then, when you do the deed, delay as long as you can, and when you pull out & pop, you'll hit her in the face with a massive pulsing load (yeah it does feel good doesn't it?) Then she will say, "Oh my! Enchoo you really did miss me!"

Hell, I'm an old fart, old as dirt. I cum in buckets and chicks really do dig it (something about fertility & female psychology.)

Volume pills don't do shit.[/QUOTE]For those here in long term. If you are over 60 take natural Chinese herb here in Bangkok. The most powerfull fruit is he goji fruit its recongnize as the most powerfull and complete herbal medicine fruit. A part for sexual power it works for overweight and general week health problem especially if you over 60. You can have a health check at the Chinese clinic hua chiew here in Bangkok. Its the bumrungrad hospital for the Chinese but a lot cheaper.

Can associate some acupunture session with it. Generaly you can make a three month cure every year and have updated checks with Chinese doctor. Tongue pouls diagnostic for prevention for the specific health problem once over 60. You are going to be radically free of health problem if you have this treatment. Hua Chiew is the top in asia may be in the world after the head hospital in shanghai. They cure some cancer prostata or better prevention program.

I am 55. Three years ago 92kg (of course a lot of beer chang and gin tonic thai wisky) nowadays 78 kg body free of health problems. And they say it will be for a long time if doing this treatment and eat no fat and be care of the beer and so on. Sex power? I think I have it under control three time per day nowadays with good feeling no problem.

So. A solution for all the health problem or call it prevention to be never seek. Chinese medicin and acupunture. Hua chiew Chinese clinic Bangkok.

If any interest for more info pm me.

i stayed in grand mercure, soi 19, as it was available on special rate 1800 b. top hotel, 100% gf, fitness center, swimming pool, inroom safe.

day 1:

went to akane. i was there several times but always just with one girl. this time i tried 70 min fashion massage (1920 b) with two girls in peep inn and i enjoyed it a lot. much more privacy as in the akane „rooms".

chose karen and fuyu. both nice and good performers, did lots of dfk. would choose karen if i had to decide.

peep inn has not the magic chair, but i got the finger when i was cleaned by both girls in the bath tab. moved over to the bed after a while and they started the tongue massage. this was not better as with just one girls and after a while i turned over. and yes, in peep inn they do bbbj.

it really feels fantastic when you have a tongue or a pussy in your month and the other one blows you. after a while they changed and the same great feeling.

they finished me by one of them working on my back door and the other made a mix of bj and hj (no cim). tipped them 200 b each.

after akane i went straight to tulip. haha, no, not what you think, i'm not superman. i asked for the picture book and chose a girl to come to my hotel the next day. paid 1000 b for outcall.

day 2:

i had read a lot in the tulip forum and had some names on my virtual list. when i saw fa's picture, i immediatelly booked her.

somebody in this forum said, fa is like a little princess. i 100% agree. it was gfe from the first minute and you would never expect she's a top performer when you just see her.

her service was described serveral times, so i don't go into details, there is no taboo and she seems to enjoy everything. even between the sessions, she is fun and she gave a good massage. i will book her again next time i come to bangkok. well deserved 2000 b.

day 3:

went to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s at 1pm. i don't really like to get blown behind the curtain and at this time, when it's not busy, you can ask to go to the room. this room is not special, there is just an old sofa in it, but you have more privacy. i always bring my own towel to sit on.

took my time to choose my girl, looked at them and saw a little twincle and a smile at one of them. chose her and up we went. her name is mew, very nice girl. when the session started, she said „just tell me what you like, i can do everything.". that's like music in my ears. so i took the option to let her not just suck, but also play with my balls and back door. finished with cim without wasting one drop.

price is still 700 b. usually i tip 100 b to the girl but this time i tipped 200 b. great service.

i had been at soi cowboy every day as it is just walking distance from soi 19. no bf the first two days but did some preparations. had some drinks with a girl from long gun and intended to bf her. ann, a real beauty, 9/10 on my scale. very limited english and quite shy on the stage. usually i don't bf stunners as usually no good service but i couldn't resist her.

i did not expect much but i was surprised. long time dfk and enjoyed daty. moved easily into all positions. good experience. st 2000 b.

last day:

not much time anymore, so i decided to go to an oily in soi 19. exclusive massage, near hotel uno in a sub soi. at 2 pm just 3 girls available. two looked quite good on the photo and i chose fon. she was called and when i saw her i knew, i would not go into fs with her. pretty face as on the photo, but very small (ca. 150) and chubby.

anyway, massage was good and when time came for extras i told her „just bj". she asked at least ten times if i don't want fs, which was kind of nerving. bbbj started in the shower (to wash off the oil and ended on the bench (no cim). damage 400 b for oily and 1000 b for bj.

well, 4 out of 5 sessons were great, that's quite satisfying. what i really miss in bangkok is a bj street like santos in a. c. the big advantage is that you can call your blow jobber into your room without extra charge. guess where i stay now. pacific breeze, just 1 minute away from santos.

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Is there any list of Bangkok's G-Clubs?

On my first trip to Bangkok, my bar fined girlfriend taught me a lesson on tipping protocol that I've never seen discussed here. In most clubs, a waitress will return your drink change to you on a tray. Whatever you leave on the tray gets split among the wait staff. If you remove the change from the tray and place it directly in the hand of the waitress, she gets to keep it all. So if your waitress has been particularly nice to you, you can tip her exclusively. Believe me, she'll appreciate the gesture.

In my years of mongering I have learned that girl attitude goes a long way in determining whether or not you are going to pick a winner. Girls who come to work to work, i.e., smile and work for customers are far more likely to fit the bill.

Case in point was my very last night in Bangkok. Picked a gal who I had some reservations about, the staring in the mirror self-absorbed attitude. The result was the same, she ended up to be a disaster.

Shortly later, went back to a club a few doors down where the gals were working the customers, i.e., walking around the bar talking and joking. Picked the gal I was originally going to go with and she turned out to be a real winner.

Last comment, on my last night my friend and I went to Patpong and wound up at a club called Knights Corner. The majority of the gals were tall stunners, I mean stunners. You should have seen the attitude there. After each dance session the gals, on cue, paraded around the bar looking for someone to sit with. Found out that the bar fine was 500bht and 3000bht for the gal. Let me tell you, if it was not my last night (had to get up very early for a plane) I would have gladly paid it.


[QUOTE=M P Lurker]I pretty much agree with Barko.

Only the most brazen slutty girls (in the view of some) are really going to oggle the ugly customers, or even the handsome ones. Girls do not generally want to appear that slutty. This is not really my opinion but considering Thai social norms.

They are bored out of their brains dancing gogo to same songs from yester-year day in and day out. They may have serious money problems causing them not to be particularly happy.

The obvious place for them to gaze is in the mirror where can see yourself and the other girls well. Can then compare dancing styles and looks. They may not be looking at anything in particular - "jai loi" (which means a floating mind).

Why try the come on to a Farang only to get rejected. Its much easier to wait for the Farang to come to the girl.
I usually reject girls that put on a big act for me, prefering the more natural girls.

Only a small percentage of girls have so much confidence that they seriously think they can hook their preferred guy.

I have even met very shy girls who looked stunning in the bar.

Who cares what the IQ of the girl is? I don't go there looking for a deep and meaningful conversation. I would rather have a sweet nice girl with fab looks, that is willing to relax and have a good time while making some money, than a super intellegent one that will try to manipulate me.

Like Barko says. I sit and watch umpteen girls. I decide I like one. I wave at her and if she spots me then I make the motion of having a drink so she knows. If she is facing a different way, I may be forced to walk right up to the stage in front of her, to invite her over. That way she just cannot miss me. I don't waste too much time inviting her over, in case another customer should invite her first.
After a chat/drink, I can always change my mind, and call a different one later. Or to keep them guessing, invite two or three girls, and then later decide which one is best.

P.S. Girls that already have a customer, will certainly have no reason to be catching your eye![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Henryv]

Last comment, on my last night my friend and I went to Patpong and wound up at a club called Knights Corner. The majority of the gals were tall stunners, I mean stunners. You should have seen the attitude there. After each dance session the gals, on cue, paraded around the bar looking for someone to sit with. Found out that the bar fine was 500bht and 3000bht for the gal. Let me tell you, if it was not my last night (had to get up very early for a plane) I would have gladly paid it.[/QUOTE]
If you mean "KINGS CORNER" I think you have a 50/50 chance of getting a fake girl there!

[QUOTE=Henryv]In my years of mongering I have learned that girl attitude goes a long way in determining whether or not you are going to pick a winner. Girls who come to work to work, I. E., smile and work for customers are far more likely to fit the bill.[/QUOTE]My latest little squeezie is so shy. She hates getting on the stage and she hides near the back door of the bar. She hasn't been working there long, about a month, and she only goes with guys that are able to draw her out. Of those that have caught her attention, every single farang, yes every single one, speaks Thai. (Golly gee.)

She never ever looks at guys while she is dancing, ever. Dudes try to give her tips for nothing. She won't take them, she looks at the mamasan, closes her eyes for a moment, then doesn't take the money. It must be embarrassing for the Japanese guy trying to pass the cash, and really it's not because she is stuck up at all, it's because she is a real Thai girl.

She is a 9.5 in looks and a 10+ in the sack. She's from Si Sa Ket and burned by her Thai BF (aren't they all.) No, of course not, she doesn't belong there working in a bar, but I would choose a girl like her over 99% of all the other bar babies 100% of the time, and I am sure most other old pro Thai expats would too. There's just something about these kinds of girls, and it takes an experienced eye to find them. Thailand is a mongering country like no other, and the experience with these kinds of girls is like no other as well.

So, the difference between this kind of chick, and a typical LOS ho is like night and day.

Speak Thai, learn how to make your eyes into a set of landing lights on a 747, and your smile into a 'deer in headlights' tractor beam. Be a wizard of fun, and magician of mirth. Then you'll score the best there is (in this country) but I guess the same could be said anywhere.

I am reminded of the old scene outside the Siam Hotel on a rainy night. The girls would stand perfectly still, like little porcelain dolls under their umbrellas, just waiting for a guy with enough moxie to make his move. All hell broke loose when you got her up to bed. It was all a matter of knowing how to make it work.

Anyway, you just get so you can tell the difference between the shy uber goodies packing monster heat and the dead starfish just ready to ruin your evening. When they flirt and motion to you while on stage it only means they are hungry or need to fill the quota, it doesn't mean that they really give a fat fuck about taking care of you when you are in the room later, not at all.

Thai girls!

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Kings Corner!?! Yea, they look great but its like a box of Cracker-Jack...and the constant hard sell they use doesn't help. And dont forget to remember - if it looks too good to be true...

[QUOTE=Amjeck]If you mean "KINGS CORNER" I think you have a 50/50 chance of getting a fake girl there![/QUOTE]

You nailed it. The elusive diamond in the rough........

[QUOTE=Barko]My latest little squeezie is so shy. She hates getting on the stage and she hides near the back door of the bar. She hasn't been working there long, about a month, and she only goes with guys that are able to draw her out. Of those that have caught her attention, every single farang, yes every single one, speaks Thai. (Golly gee.)

She never ever looks at guys while she is dancing, ever. Dudes try to give her tips for nothing. She won't take them, she looks at the mamasan, closes her eyes for a moment, then doesn't take the money. It must be embarrassing for the Japanese guy trying to pass the cash, and really it's not because she is stuck up at all, it's because she is a real Thai girl.

She is a 9.5 in looks and a 10+ in the sack. She's from Si Sa Ket and burned by her Thai BF (aren't they all.) No, of course not, she doesn't belong there working in a bar, but I would choose a girl like her over 99% of all the other bar babies 100% of the time, and I am sure most other old pro Thai expats would too. There's just something about these kinds of girls, and it takes an experienced eye to find them. Thailand is a mongering country like no other, and the experience with these kinds of girls is like no other as well.

So, the difference between this kind of chick, and a typical LOS ho is like night and day.

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[QUOTE=Barko] She hasn't been working there long, about a month, and she only goes with guys that are able to draw her out. Of those that have caught her attention, every single farang, yes every single one, speaks Thai.[/QUOTE]
Not a diamond! A month is way too long. What you have more like a piece of gold.

How about a newbie only in the bar a few days and never gone with a farang. That is more like a "diamond in the rough" .

Was asked 1500+bf baht shortime with a really nice stunner from Nana today.
She told me that before it was 2000. What I can remember is that last year I took one from the same agogo for 2000 longtime and she was also a really nice one. Think it must depend on each girl and how bad I smell.
PB

Yes!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Not a diamond! A month is way too long. What you have more like a piece of gold.

How about a newbie only in the bar a few days and never gone with a farang. That is more like a "diamond in the rough" .[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Barko]...She is a 9.5 in looks and a 10+ in the sack... she doesn't belong there working in a bar,... [/QUOTE]
She does now :D

[QUOTE=Jeff46]I am 55. [/QUOTE]Fifty-five? Cool, give me a call in ten years, we'll do lunch.

I think you missed my point Jeff46.

I'm 65, look 45, feel 35, and bang chicks like I'm 25. I learned moderation only from way overdoing EVERYTHING in my youth (the "X Games" got nuttin on me.) A horndog poster boy for 'Ritalin', they didn't even think of prescribing it cause I made too much money and they were afraid to fuck up the gravy train.)

Having the time of my life these days and yeah I'm in it for the long run, (my pop is in his late 90's and loving every minute of it.)

Ever thought about investing in a "Wii" Jeff? That thing has done more for me today than TCM & Moxa acupuncture ever did back in the 80's. :D

Glad you are feeling better!

Thanks.

B.

Hey guys,

As this forum was invaluable before I came out (and most Sexpats keep saying I don't feel like a first timer to them so I repeatedly recommend ISG.) I thought it only fair I repay the faith with my own first impressions of the City of Angels.

For any brits who haven't experienced the P4P scene outside Europe I would recommend Beer Garden for assimilation purposes (note. It is not a beer garden.) for two reasons. A) there is no bar fine and b) it is the closest thing to our most common way of pulling. Meet chick in bar, buy couple of drinks, have chat, go back to hotel.

DO NOT bet a girl she can drink a Heineken in one. A) you'll end up out of pocket because she will, and b) you'll have a yabbering, incoherent girl in your room shortly after. After telling her it was time to go about 10 times I had to pick her up and put her down near her clothes so she got the message. The other girl I found in Beer Garden was a dream, but we'll leave that one there, I don't want you Ba$t$rds swamping her!

From reading this forum I had settled on NEP as my number one target for good times. Hell fire, I could not be more let down. It is like Leeds indoor market was in the 80's. Run down, dirty, lopsided looking, slight smell of fish. Jesus, I walked round on two nights and between avoiding the LB's everywhere and the puddles it seemed like a real waste of time and was glad to see the exit and return to relative normality. Much better (for me personally) to sit at Golden next to the Parking Lot and watch the girls work the wallets (sorry, punters.). Although last night I really felt sorry for the tiny thing being dragged along by the 30 stone sumo wrestler. Or the big 75 yr old looking guy taking home what looked to me to be a heart attack sandwich (no, it wasn't Elvis style deep fried crap. It was a pair of saucy looking minxes)

If you leave Nana and walk down Suk (after crossing first) there are girls on the street all day for you. Obviously higher risk factor because no one to complain to. But if you are sensible (checking for the signs, like you would if you picked any girl off of any street, don't leave anything lying around etc) then you'll be OK.

Street bars. They pop up after the market stalls close and can be great. Just make sure you establish the prices you are paying so no one can roll you over. Met a great girl at one near my last hotel, had Tom Yam with her, a fellow Brit, then back to the room. When she demanded it again even though she had to go at 6 to sort her child out (it was 5:50) I just had to smile inside. She was just so damn horny, wants me to go back this evening and take her home ASAP. But I'm going to Patts now so may come back before home time for round two.

Cowboy. For anyone with an Upskirt fetish, you must, must, must visit Baccara (t? ). Right at the very end on the left. Glass dancefloor with girls in schooly uniforms and no panties dancing. Cool part of it? They are on the floor above you! I had 20 girls dancing infront of me less than a breath away and if I looked them twice I wouldn't know. The view from above was too much. If I could have not blinked I'd be one happy pervert. Excellent!

Massage. It is harder to find straight massage near Suk than not. Every one I have had offered extras, one just grabbed my hand about 5 mins into it and put it on her already soaking pussy. Even the one I told several times that I only wanted straight massage kept fondling me. You can get 1hr thai for 250bt just up from Times Square (again, on Suk between Nana and Cowboy but on Nana side of road) but they are everywhere anyway.

Finally food. Street food is everywhere, some look cleaner than others. Choice is yours. If you want risk free and fairly cheap food I can recommend Foodland (one soi over from Beer Garden). It is always busy (the best indicator) but is in the front of a very clean supermarket. Yesterday I had chicken and fried rice, a nice lime squash and some ice cream for 120bt. Winner.

Sorry, one more thing. Maintaining politeness, deference and great manners will definitely bring you advantages here. Also, the bigger the smile the more the girls like you. I have a massive cheesy grin and it seems to be like a lighthouse beacon for girls out here. From 'Sawatdee Ka, thankyou for smiling sir' from the market stall / massage girls, right through to dancing girls focusing on you just to draw a reaction! If you can smile lots and show deference you've a step ahead already.

Apologies to the regulars who know and see this stuff every day, but this is for the wide eyed newbies, not you hardened, cynical Vets.

Thanks everyone.

Mr B

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They say the first sign of senility in a man over 45 years old is believing in his own virility.

- jf

"I'm 65, look 45, feel 35, and bang chicks like I'm 25. I learned moderation only from way overdoing EVERYTHING in my youth (the "X Games" got nuttin on me.)

[QUOTE=Barko]My latest little squeezie is so shy. She hates getting on the stage and she hides near the back door of the bar. She hasn't been working there long, about a month, and she only goes with guys that are able to draw her out. Of those that have caught her attention, every single farang, yes every single one, speaks Thai. (Golly gee.)

She never ever looks at guys while she is dancing, ever. Dudes try to give her tips for nothing. She won't take them, she looks at the mamasan, closes her eyes for a moment, then doesn't take the money. It must be embarrassing for the Japanese guy trying to pass the cash, and really it's not because she is stuck up at all, it's because she is a real Thai girl.

She is a 9.5 in looks and a 10+ in the sack. She's from Si Sa Ket and burned by her Thai BF (aren't they all.) No, of course not, she doesn't belong there working in a bar, but I would choose a girl like her over 99% of all the other bar babies 100% of the time, and I am sure most other old pro Thai expats would too. There's just something about these kinds of girls, and it takes an experienced eye to find them. Thailand is a mongering country like no other, and the experience with these kinds of girls is like no other as well.

So, the difference between this kind of chick, and a typical LOS ho is like night and day.

Speak Thai, learn how to make your eyes into a set of landing lights on a 747, and your smile into a 'deer in headlights' tractor beam. Be a wizard of fun, and magician of mirth. Then you'll score the best there is (in this country) but I guess the same could be said anywhere.

I am reminded of the old scene outside the Siam Hotel on a rainy night. The girls would stand perfectly still, like little porcelain dolls under their umbrellas, just waiting for a guy with enough moxie to make his move. All hell broke loose when you got her up to bed. It was all a matter of knowing how to make it work.

Anyway, you just get so you can tell the difference between the shy uber goodies packing monster heat and the dead starfish just ready to ruin your evening. When they flirt and motion to you while on stage it only means they are hungry or need to fill the quota, it doesn't mean that they really give a fat fuck about taking care of you when you are in the room later, not at all.

Thai girls!
[/QUOTE]

I also have met this type of girl in the bar and was attracted. The girl might go with you and have a great time, if the chemistry is right. On the otherhand she might end up just being incredibly frustrating and always find some excuse not to go to bed with you, and be your friend instead.

Speaking Thai helps but is not necessarily going to charm her. If you manage to work out how to push the right buttons, great!

So generally these girls are intriguing because they are so choosy, but hard to get to. So in general, I don't recommend it for the average guy.

Money doesn't always work.

[QUOTE=Henryv]In my years of mongering I have learned that girl attitude goes a long way in determining whether or not you are going to pick a winner. Girls who come to work to work, i.e., smile and work for customers are far more likely to fit the bill.
[/QUOTE]
If your type of girl is the one who really likes being in a bar, great. That's not the best girl for all of us.

But seriously, many great girls don't like to be there and maybe having a not so great time (bored to death). But give them a chance to change dramatically when called over for a drink. If they still act negatively to your attempted entertainment and chat up, O.K. ditch them as a lost cause. But if they start to smile at you and laugh now, O.K. you have cured their boredom perhaps.

Their is nothing wrong with calling over multiple girls till you find one you are really happy with. If the first girl gives you misgivings, fine, call another one.

I like to see how a girl reacts after a couple of alcoholic drinks, assuming she is not drunk already. But alcohol can reveal bad character traits. Transforms some people into dogs (with apologies to the canine variety).

But many girls turn into really fun types after a SMALL number of drinks and loosens inhibitions, should they have any.

I always like to ask girls who their special friends are as well. As this helps shed light on their character.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]If you mean "KINGS CORNER" I think you have a 50/50 chance of getting a fake girl there![/QUOTE]
Yes and all those extra tall ones with exaggerated come-on attitude are very likely to be katoeys. I am not aware of the ratio, but I once (a few years back) went into a Patpong bar, perhaps not King's Corner, where I thought they were virtually all ladyboys. Maybe it was Casanova, but this corner of Patpong road is the most heavily infested with Ladyboys.

[url]http://www.bangkokeyes.com/mappat1.html[/url]

A quote from:
[url]http://www.bangkok.com/nightlife-go-go-bar/patpong.html[/url]
"When it comes to go-go bars, favoured establishments on Soi 1 include King's Castle I and II, Sphinx and the Safari Bar, while King's Corner has the largest collection of post-operative transsexuals in Bangkok."

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]I also have met this type of girl in the bar and was attracted. The girl might go with you and have a great time, if the chemistry is right. On the otherhand she might end up just being incredibly frustrating and always find some excuse not to go to bed with you, and be your friend instead.

Speaking Thai helps but is not necessarily going to charm her. If you manage to work out how to push the right buttons, great!

So generally these girls are intriguing because they are so choosy, but hard to get to. So in general, I don't recommend it for the average guy.

Money doesn't always work.[/QUOTE]Yep, I know. I'm in a holding pattern, just playing it as it goes. It'll wear off, it always does. It's just chemicals after all. She and I do hit on all eight though. You and I both know that there are lots of these kinds of girls out there, they are called normal Thai girls, and you just don't find them in a bar very often, this was a fluke. She isn't moving into the condo just yet though Mick. Heh.

Of course, she and I both know that it's about money to some extent, but it's not why we are so relaxed together. One thing is, and consider this very carefully: she sings when she does the dishes, (beautifully.)

Normal mongering tourists will have a hard time getting up on this highway though, even if you do speak a little Thai. There's no road map and no way to navigate without a healthy dose of experience with Thai women.

Make it fun, make it light, make it easy. Sounds simple enough, but it takes experiences, and lots of them, to get there, and even more to stay there.

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]
Money doesn't always work.[/QUOTE]
In a p4p environment, money always does work! If it doesn't, get the higher-ups involved and start handing out cash (may cost a bundle). You may not get a happy girl, but you will get the girl.

[QUOTE=Xdentx]On my first trip to Bangkok, my bar fined girlfriend taught me a lesson on tipping protocol that I've never seen discussed here. In most clubs, a waitress will return your drink change to you on a tray. Whatever you leave on the tray gets split among the wait staff. If you remove the change from the tray and place it directly in the hand of the waitress, she gets to keep it all. So if your waitress has been particularly nice to you, you can tip her exclusively. Believe me, she'll appreciate the gesture.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that's always been my understanding.

(sorry for some bad english)

17th sept i had sex with 3 girls in artemis. all bbbj and covered penetration.
19th sept i had sex with 1 girl in golden time. bbbj and covered penetration.

24th sep im starting to have som real pain in the area between my anus and balls and its all read. now, between 23-25th sept i have rented a scooter and the damn seat is so uncomfortable and giving me pain in the ass because im sweating all the time and when the sweat dry and i dont have a shower in hands there always is some read and pain between my legs. often when i exercise to and the legas is rubbing each other. i hope you understand what i mean.

okey, then i arrive to bangkok on the 26:th and have no plans to have sex because the mixed feelings and moral issues i got after my german trip. but.. i go out first night to a disco and get drunk and meat this "freelancer" thaigirl. im buying drinks and beer and we end up in my hotel. i think i have read on this forum that "up to you" is a warning sign. anyway we got to sleep and the next day she gives me 2 x bbbj and 2 times covered penetration. then i buy here a dinner and after that i gave her 3000 bath and we say goodbuy and she is sad i dont wont to go out more with her. i dont know if thats to less or much but she were with me in disco from 04.00-07.00 and then on hotel from 07.00-21.00 and dinner 21.00-23.00.

at the dinner im strarting to feel that hm, maybe she aint so sweet as i first thought. i saw some picatures on the cellphone and she were sorry to say much better looking on a bad resolution phone than irl. okey, still a fine girl but she looked a little rough now and dropped som weight. anyway, she shows me all the messages from other men (why?) and told me how one have send here 10.000 tbh etc etc. she sad she looking for a boyfriend so she can quit her job as a "freelancer dancer". when i asked her why she didnt try to get another job her answer was "i like dancing"...

so im started to feeling its maybe best to say goodbay and so and dont get involved in something i dont want and dont have much experience with. well, in the morning 09.00 next day the hotelreception wakes me up and say that its a girl down here that whant to speek with me. i take the call and dont understand first who it is. then i got it and she is beging me to bring her up etc. im telling her, how can you come to my hotel and ask my this and why cant you accept a no? for 5 minutes im telling her to please, dont do this to me and that she aint so sweet anymore when she cant take and accept a no. i had to hang up because she did not want to and otherwise we would have talked in hours. then i cant sleep and thinking that what will happend now.. and a letter slides under my hoteldoor. she writes (brought up with the reception) "up to you.. i dont think money, you think i want money.. its up to you.. you no good man now" etc.

so, now im afraid and thinks hey, maybe this pain aint just tears? so now, even if i dont want to contact her because if i have som shit with me from germany and maybe she got it now, or maybe i got something more from here besides the germany-thing. not like im afraid that something will hapend but damn im so tired of drama. in all ways. but, i dont blame anyone than myself. i didnt thought it was so easy to get std with bbbj because they all give it and all seems to receive it.

my long story ends with that today i went to the clinic i read about in the "safe sex section" that is on rajadamri road. when i got in i was shoked over how tha place were run. sorry, i dont want to hurt anyones feelings or disrespect or insult the thaipeople but i got scared and went out. the old doctor, 70? and the sister (70) were nice but when i saw how theplace looked like i thought i will get something if i undress here. maybe im not used to how things is in the asia and had to much feelings with the possible herpes and the gril and hotel etc. maybe i were at the wrong place? but that map and road were right..

tomorrow im booked to see a doctor in bamrungrad hospital and see if it's herpes or just som tears. but i never had this pain before and now i maybe got the lifetime herpes, and even worse, hiv at the same time. but the hiv i have to wait 3 mothns right?

my asien trip could not start worse, or maybe it could but.. but, as i sad, its only my fault that it has ended up this way.

any feedback to kid "crybaby" icarus? =(

To each his own.

I also like the idea of seeing how a gal reacts after a drink or two (or three). This can backfire if the gal turns out to be a real lush. Had this happen in the Philippines with disaterous results, the gal actually threw up with my dick in her mouth.

However, sometimes the problem is the "ladies drink" itself. Unless its beer, many times you never know if they are getting the real thing.

But seriously, many great girls don't like to be there and maybe having a not so great time (bored to death). But give them a chance to change dramatically when called over for a drink. If they still act negatively to your attempted entertainment and chat up, O.K. ditch them as a lost cause. But if they start to smile at you and laugh now, O.K. you have cured their boredom perhaps.

Their is nothing wrong with calling over multiple girls till you find one you are really happy with. If the first girl gives you misgivings, fine, call another one.

I like to see how a girl reacts after a couple of alcoholic drinks, assuming she is not drunk already. But alcohol can reveal bad character traits. Transforms some people into dogs (with apologies to the canine variety).

But many girls turn into really fun types after a SMALL number of drinks and loosens inhibitions, should they have any.

I always like to ask girls who their special friends are as well. As this helps shed light on their character.[/QUOTE]

Kid Icarus,

Not a doctor but this remember me on haemorohide not std. Your red is blood from open m haemoroide. Check with hotel just go to any clinic ne

The author mentions several times that his objective for writing this book was making money to finance future sexual tourism trips. It is obvious that it was not written for the benefit of the reader since most of the content is not the author’s firsthand experiences, but taken (without the original author’s knowledge or permission in at least one case) from the internet. The book is 210 pages, double-spaced and in large font type which means it is more like 50 pages. The book reads more like a high school book report that the student waited until the last weekend to write than a travelogue.

Often the author distorts facts for effect. “In Rio, you’ll find brothels in shopping malls, across the street from churches, and next door to banks. As you weave through the throngs of shoppers … it’s impossible to miss the garish sign for …, a *****house on the top level of an open air mall.” In reality, the brothel is located far away from the majority of pedestrian foot traffic and the sign is barely noticeable from the street.

The highlight of the book, if there is one, is when the author writes about something that has nothing to do with sexual tourism, but is about his appearance on the web site [url]http://www.bethemask.com/tour1/britt...ey3/index.htm?[/url] where he has sex while his face is covered in a Mexican wrestling mask.

Given that the majority of the book is taken from the internet and not original content, save your money and simply do an internet search of your favorite destination. I purchased the book on Amazon which fortunately has a return policy. Sorry, Joe, not going to be financing your trip on my dollars.

[quote=kid icarus](sorry for some bad english)

17th sept i had sex with 3 girls in artemis. all bbbj and covered penetration.
19th sept i had sex with 1 girl in golden time. bbbj and covered penetration.

24th sep im starting to have som real pain in the area between my anus and balls and its all read. now, between 23-25th sept i have rented a scooter and the damn seat is so uncomfortable and giving me pain in the ass because im sweating all the time and when the sweat dry and i dont have a shower in hands there always is some read and pain between my legs. often when i exercise to and the legas is rubbing each other. i hope you understand what i mean.

okey, then i arrive to bangkok on the 26:th and have no plans to have sex because the mixed feelings and moral issues i got after my german trip. but.. i go out first night to a disco and get drunk and meat this "freelancer" thaigirl. im buying drinks and beer and we end up in my hotel. i think i have read on this forum that "up to you" is a warning sign. anyway we got to sleep and the next day she gives me 2 x bbbj and 2 times covered penetration. then i buy here a dinner and after that i gave her 3000 bath and we say goodbuy and she is sad i dont wont to go out more with her. i dont know if thats to less or much but she were with me in disco from 04.00-07.00 and then on hotel from 07.00-21.00 and dinner 21.00-23.00.

at the dinner im strarting to feel that hm, maybe she aint so sweet as i first thought. i saw some picatures on the cellphone and she were sorry to say much better looking on a bad resolution phone than irl. okey, still a fine girl but she looked a little rough now and dropped som weight. anyway, she shows me all the messages from other men (why?) and told me how one have send here 10.000 tbh etc etc. she sad she looking for a boyfriend so she can quit her job as a "freelancer dancer". when i asked her why she didnt try to get another job her answer was "i like dancing"...

so im started to feeling its maybe best to say goodbay and so and dont get involved in something i dont want and dont have much experience with. well, in the morning 09.00 next day the hotelreception wakes me up and say that its a girl down here that whant to speek with me. i take the call and dont understand first who it is. then i got it and she is beging me to bring her up etc. im telling her, how can you come to my hotel and ask my this and why cant you accept a no? for 5 minutes im telling her to please, dont do this to me and that she aint so sweet anymore when she cant take and accept a no. i had to hang up because she did not want to and otherwise we would have talked in hours. then i cant sleep and thinking that what will happend now.. and a letter slides under my hoteldoor. she writes (brought up with the reception) "up to you.. i dont think money, you think i want money.. its up to you.. you no good man now" etc.

so, now im afraid and thinks hey, maybe this pain aint just tears? so now, even if i dont want to contact her because if i have som shit with me from germany and maybe she got it now, or maybe i got something more from here besides the germany-thing. not like im afraid that something will hapend but damn im so tired of drama. in all ways. but, i dont blame anyone than myself. i didnt thought it was so easy to get std with bbbj because they all give it and all seems to receive it.

my long story ends with that today i went to the clinic i read about in the "safe sex section" that is on rajadamri road. when i got in i was shoked over how tha place were run. sorry, i dont want to hurt anyones feelings or disrespect or insult the thaipeople but i got scared and went out. the old doctor, 70? and the sister (70) were nice but when i saw how theplace looked like i thought i will get something if i undress here. maybe im not used to how things is in the asia and had to much feelings with the possible herpes and the gril and hotel etc. maybe i were at the wrong place? but that map and road were right..

tomorrow im booked to see a doctor in bamrungrad hospital and see if it's herpes or just som tears. but i never had this pain before and now i maybe got the lifetime herpes, and even worse, hiv at the same time. but the hiv i have to wait 3 mothns right?

my asien trip could not start worse, or maybe it could but.. but, as i sad, its only my fault that it has ended up this way.

any feedback to kid "crybaby" icarus? =([/quote]

if you are referring to the red cross on rajadamri, and to the old doctor, well she has been turning out excellent reports and service for many a year now, on par with anything you will get in bumrungrad and bkk general for a fraction of the price. red cross tests are accurate, confidential, and highly professional, i've been using them for 6-7 years now and have nothing but good things to say about them.

[QUOTE=Jeff46]Kid Icarus,

Not a doctor but this remember me on haemorohide not std. Your red is blood from open m haemoroide. Check with hotel just go to any clinic ne[/QUOTE]

I'll hope but I'm afraid of to hope to much. I will see a doctor in the morning, I got an apointment. I'll update. But what ive been searching on internet it sounds to me like Herpes. Right now I cant even leave the hotelroom until im checked, cant see the fun with the trip anymore. Dont want to sound like a sissy, but this was not a fun start on the trip.

[QUOTE=Stogie Bear]Hello Kid Icarus

You made the right decision about the girl... ...Anyway enjoy your stay and don't think too much about this free lance dancer.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it sounds like a typical story. I thought I was preperd and had read all information I needed for my first visit in Thailand. Im just to blueyed and think the best of all. I could just not belive that she came to my hotel without asking (but ok, she could not contact me in any other way..) and its not just a little 1 star hotel, its a big buisness 4-5 star hotel. I just did not expect to hear from her so soon. I wonder in witch condition she were in. On the phone she sad that the reason she came were just to sleep, because she couldnt go home because her roommate something bla bla. I mean, I dropped her off 23.00 with 3000 TBH in purse and she need to visit me?

Im a thinker I guess, and everybody says that to me: you think to much! =)

[QUOTE=Oldian]if you are referring to the Red Cross on Rajadamri, and to the old doctor, well she has been turning out excellent reports and service for many a year now, on par with anything you will get in Bumrungrad and Bkk General for a fraction of the price. Red Cross tests are accurate, confidential, and highly professional, I've been using them for 6-7 years now and have nothing but good things to say about them.[/QUOTE]
Hm, I understand but when I saw the place and the tools and stuff laying around I went scared. It looked like a hospital from the 30's. I really dont want to insult anyone but for me, I thought that I was at the wrong place. Maybe I will give it a try next time if I need to. I think there was a clock-seller beside the entrance. On the sign outside it just stod "clinic" and noathing with Red Cross or something. Wait, when im now looking at the map I see that I crossed (from south to north) a river on a small bridge and then turned left. Could I went to the wrong place? I think im must have been on the phetchaburi street just a little up and a river between from Rajdamri. Map: [url]http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=sv&geocode=&q=rajadamri+bangkok&sll=13.749223,100.542326&sspn=0.00619,0.021973&ie=UTF8&ll=13.748973,100.543334&spn=0.00619,0.021973&z=16[/url]

Hm, here is another Red Cross Clinic on rama road:
[url]http://www.redcross.or.th/english/service/medical_clinicaids.php4[/url]
Thanks everyone for all feedback!

Barko thanks for the info. on "more volume" I"ll give it a try now that I'm closing in on 60. And I agree that chicks do enjoy a big load, even those not even close to being cum freaks. For what its worth I've found that Huckelberry syrup (can be found on-line) makes your semen, I've been told taste very good even by "spitters" that act like they've takin a mouthful of battery-acid. I found this out by accident drinking Huckelberry Margaritas daily at a bar in Scottsdale AZ. Do 2-3oz. daily for 3-4 days and another 2-3oz. about an hour before the deed and your regular WILL notice, also go easy on stuff like garlic, red meat, alcohol and especially ASPARAGUS !!.....Doc.

[QUOTE=Kid Icarus]Hm, I understand but when I saw the place and the tools and stuff laying around I went scared. It looked like a hospital from the 30's. I really dont want to insult anyone but for me, I thought that I was at the wrong place. Maybe I will give it a try next time if I need to. [/QUOTE]

I also don't go there. As a Farang, why go to a second rate clinic when you can go to a great hospital?

Last time I got checked @ Burumgrad it cost me around 5,000 thb so it was quite cheap.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I also don't go there. As a Farang, why go to a second rate clinic when you can go to a great hospital?

Last time I got checked @ Burumgrad it cost me around 5,000 thb so it was quite cheap.[/QUOTE]

Thai Sex Disease

[quote]A middle aged American business man found himself in Bangkok with spare time after a business meeting. The hotel bellboy offered to find him a pretty girl for a little afternoon delight. The girl showed up and was a gorgeous little spinner who met all his demands. Unknown at the time the condom had broken sometime during reverse cowgirl from the the girl's enthusiastic thrusts. He immediately washed thoroughly when the sex was complete.

Two weeks later when he was back in the US, his cock started to itch and turned different colors. There was black, purple and green patches all over his sore cock. He checked the internet and did not see anything that would explain the multiple colors, the itch and pain.

Out of fear, he went to his medical provider to get his tool checked out. He was lead into a room and told to strip and await the doctor. In comes the doctor who has him lift the backless gown he was wearing. The doctor turned pale, gagged and ran out of the room. The now composed doctor reentered the room, apologizing for his reaction and begin the examination. He consulted his medical books and told the distraught man that the only cure was to remove his cock and balls before the infection spread to the rest of his body.

The poor guy was terribly upset and told the doctor no way was he going to let anyone cut off his dick and left in a huff.

Several more days passed, the colors were getting darker and the itching and pain was nearly unbearable. It dawn on him if he got the disease in Thailand, maybe a Thai doctor could heal him. At the Thai doctors, blood test and swabs were taken. The doctor entered the room for the exam with the test results. After the exam, the man told the Thai doctor what the American doctor had said and how he want to remove his cock.

The Thai doctor looked over the test results again, and leaned closer to take a second look at the infected penis. He leaned back and said it would not be necessary to remove his penis.

The man looked relieved and exclaimed, "I don't have to cut my dick off!"

The doctor looked him in the eye and said "No. In a few days it fall off by itself."[/quote][post]896961[/post]

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Nah... I'm a good wing man not like Fox2. I always let my elders pick first :D[/QUOTE]

Eh? If I let you pick first, you'd pick like 4 or 5 at a time. No fair me na? :D

Hello,

Maybe someone could help me finding a girl... her pics can be found in this post

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=908431#post908431[/url]

BKK da2-girl2

I met her on about 10 August in Nana car park and had a really nice time. Unluckly I live with my girlfriend and I have no more chances to go to Nana parking at night time. (and the very few times I could go there, she wasn't there) And I forgot to ask her for any contact info.

So, all this just to say that if by chance someone has her phone number or meet her again or know if she go to some bar/club during the day. Any kind of info would be very much appreciated! (any info on big breast girl too ahaha: P)

Thanks

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I also don't go there. As a Farang, why go to a second rate clinic when you can go to a great hospital?

Last time I got checked @ Burumgrad it cost me around 5,000 thb so it was quite cheap.[/QUOTE]

Cheap is a relative term.

It rather depends what you got checked for -for 5000bt.

[QUOTE=Bumholes1]Cheap is a relative term.

It rather depends what you got checked for -for 5000bt.[/QUOTE]Correct. Bumrungrad is very expensive. There are plenty excellent hostipal in Bangkok. I had a hernia operation. I have checked cost before I go for the operation.

Bumrungrad thai baht 480.000. (for the room only was around 60.000) Bangkok hospital 280.000.

I went then to the Chinese Hua Chiew considered as the bumrungrad for Chinese cost 52.000. Every thing went well and it was the first time of my life I had a operation.

Health check the normal one (I don't want to go in details here) is around 2000. A full check of your body with cell and t cell.5000 bumrungrad is for this 15.000.

5000BHT is roughly $151-.

Sure, EVERYTHING'S relative if that's how you choose to look at it. But not this time! In this case the cost is not relative - it is absolute.

He's in a foreign country, knows no one, cant fuck, cant even leave the hotel! Doesn't know what he has which causes anxiety and makes the symptoms/situation even worse.

If he has trouble paying $151 for a medical visit in his home country then he surely has problems. If he flew to another country (possibly thousands of miles away) not speaking the language, without his home protection (medical, etc.), without enough money to cover a $151 EMERGENCY medical visit then he has bigger problems and might re-consider his approach to leisure travel...

RJSSS212


[QUOTE=Bumholes1]Cheap is a relative term.

It rather depends what you got checked for -for 5000bt.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fox Two]Eh? If I let you pick first, you'd pick like 4 or 5 at a time. No fair me na? :D[/QUOTE]

You are not my elder :D

Planning my next trip to BKK, I need advice on the freelancers scene outside the usaual p4p hot spots that am familiar with such as NEP, PP, SC or Sukhmvit beer gardens. I RTFF but don\'t seem to find the equivelant in BKK of the malls scene in Jakarta, Philipinese or OT in Sigapore. Didn't notice any major action in places like paragon or MBK. Am I shortsighted or am I not looking in the right places.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Rjsss212]5000BHT is roughly $151-.

Sure, EVERYTHING'S relative if that's how you choose to look at it. But not this time! In this case the cost is not relative - it is absolute.

He's in a foreign country, knows no one, cant fuck, cant even leave the hotel! Doesn't know what he has which causes anxiety and makes the symptoms/situation even worse.

If he has trouble paying $151 for a medical visit in his home country then he surely has problems. If he flew to another country (possibly thousands of miles away) not speaking the language, without his home protection (medical, etc.), without enough money to cover a $151 EMERGENCY medical visit then he has bigger problems and might re-consider his approach to leisure travel...

RJSSS212[/QUOTE]

Nic Frenchy is in Thailand more often than not -or it would appear so. he knows the ropes. We have no idea what he paid 5000bt for, but for those of us who spend a significant amount of time here in Thailand, that is a lot of money.

I do not know Bumrungrad Hospital personally, but I am aware that it is on a par with Bangkok Pattaya Hospital, where prices are up to 10 times the norm found throughout much of Thailand. My daughter was recently charged 18000bt (insurance paid) for 1 night stay investigating the possibility of swine flu - which it was not! In the Isaan area of thailand a similar stay with similar tests would cost less than 2000bt.

It would be interesting to hear what exactly Nic got for his 5000bt.

bumbholes1, i think rjsss212 mean me when he wrote this:
[quote=rjsss212]
he's in a foreign country, knows no one, cant fuck, cant even leave the hotel! doesn't know what he has which causes anxiety and makes the symptoms/situation even worse.[/quote]

i wrote this in the safe sex section:

so i went to the bumrungrad hospital to check up what the pain was between my anus and scrotum. and it was not herpes he sad and told me it was from the scooterdriving. but what i heard is that the symptom can vary. doh, im such a silly boy that cant even trust the best hospital in town..

even took hiv, syfilis and gonorrhoea and all was negative. the chlamydia has 2 weeks waiting for the result. but damn that hurted. i couldnt lay still, felt like a sissy. oh man, that hurted and still hurts when i touch the top. and when i urinated after it hurted to. its my first chlamydia test and im not sure he did it the proper way. ive herad from others that its not a fun story to do the test, but should it hurt when you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] after the test? ill hope i dont need to take the test again..

glad all the other results were negative. hope i can use my dick soon again and then it will be cbj. dont want these mindfucks again..

edit:

okey, now im completely confused. the doctor told me the test with the stick into my dick was chlamydia test, but on internet (never done any of all these test execpt hiv before) i reed that urin is used. so, i just called back the hospital and asked whats up. now they are telling me in chlamydia tests either stick or urin is used. aha, so why the hell did he use the painfull stick in my dick (that now is hurting) if he would not test gonorrhoea at all even if i asked for it? damn, all this is driving me even more crazy now.

yes, i went to bumrungrad hospital because i feel exactly as rjsss212 wrote (the qoute).
yes, i wanted to test everthing.
yes, this start on my asian-trip is driving me crazy.

the hospital is going to call me back in the morning but i think im going there and will ask for the manager. im feeling like a baby, but when you are alone, first time here, afraid you got something and then get strange information and so on, this thailand trip feels like a waste and i ask myself. what are im doing here? now im on my hotel and just do noathing, again. now im not even sure that the doctor was right about non herpes if he did not even know how to best test all the std. why the hell use the stick for chlamydia and not ghonorrohea doctor? i will ask him tomorrow, oh wait, hes out of town tomorrow and someone els from the hospital would call me.. thats what they sad.

drama.

anyone up for a beer or two? would be fun to meet someone and think on something els.

thank you for reeding and all advices so far.

''and the damn seat is so uncomfortable and giving me pain in the ass ''Save your money. Get a new seat. Nothing wrong with the dick, but you'll worry yourself to death going on like you are.

Correct. Sorry to be speaking of you in the third person while you are in the room. A little rude...

Consider your self lucky. Could have been one of the other things you were concernrd about (and may still be...) or a dozen things I can think of that didn't make your list.

Hey, far be it for me to tell you how to spend your money but you are ahead of the game in that you have saved 2 days of hooker money already and (sadly) you may save more. If you didn't like the first opinion get to another hospital fast, get it diagnosed, get it remedied and get back to the business at hand!!!! Oh, and good luck........

[QUOTE=Kid Icarus]Bumbholes1, I think Rjsss212 mean me when he wrote this:


I wrote this in the safe sex section:

So I went to the Bumrungrad Hospital to check up what the pain was between my anus and scrotum. And It was not herpes he sad and told me it was from the scooterdriving. But what I heard is that the symptom can vary. Doh, im such a silly boy that cant even trust the best hospital in town..
[/QUOTE]

Kid Ick, any doctor in Thailand that actually tests you for chlamydia and gonhorrea is over-doing it, perhaps partially to pad your bill or perhaps just to reassure the nervous Westerner.

The way to treat these ailments is to immediately take the fairly cheap antibiotics: Usually 1 gram of azithromycin will kill both, but if you want to be super certain take 1 gram of the above and also 400 mg of 'Cefspan' (cefixime).

Most doctors in Thailand who charge the fair/reasonable rate (200-500 baht per visit) will not even look at your weeping penis - its not really necessary.

[QUOTE=Mikito]Planning my next trip to BKK, I need advice on the freelancers scene outside the usaual p4p hot spots that am familiar with such as NEP, PP, SC or Sukhmvit beer gardens. I RTFF but don\'t seem to find the equivelant in BKK of the malls scene in Jakarta, Philipinese or OT in Sigapore. Didn't notice any major action in places like paragon or MBK. Am I shortsighted or am I not looking in the right places.

Cheers[/QUOTE]

If you read the forum then you would see there are no reports about major free lance markets around MBK and Paragon etc... That is because there is not any free lance scene. I have picked up a girl that is a sales girl at Paragon and a phone sales girl at MBK for example but they were NOT p4p and there is not free lance scene there.

[QUOTE=Mouse1]But if you start with the premise that they are LBFM then I guess you're going to find it hard to click.[/QUOTE]

Bingo! You reap what you sow. I have met a few BGs that I can spend a few days with. Movies, bowling, Thai food, massaging my shoulders while I'm on business calls. If you treat them like people you will discover that they have more to offer than 2-3 holes.

[QUOTE=Jeff46]For those here in long term. If you are over 60 take natural Chinese herb here in Bangkok. The most powerfull fruit is he goji fruit its recongnize as the most powerfull and complete herbal medicine fruit. A part for sexual power it works for overweight and general week health problem especially if you over 60. You can have a health check at the Chinese clinic hua chiew here in Bangkok. Its the bumrungrad hospital for the Chinese but a lot cheaper.

Can associate some acupunture session with it. Generaly you can make a three month cure every year and have updated checks with Chinese doctor. Tongue pouls diagnostic for prevention for the specific health problem once over 60. You are going to be radically free of health problem if you have this treatment. Hua Chiew is the top in asia may be in the world after the head hospital in shanghai. They cure some cancer prostata or better prevention program.

I am 55. Three years ago 92kg (of course a lot of beer chang and gin tonic thai wisky) nowadays 78 kg body free of health problems. And they say it will be for a long time if doing this treatment and eat no fat and be care of the beer and so on. Sex power? I think I have it under control three time per day nowadays with good feeling no problem.

So. A solution for all the health problem or call it prevention to be never seek. Chinese medicin and acupunture. Hua chiew Chinese clinic Bangkok.

If any interest for more info pm me.[/QUOTE]

I don't get it. First you say you have to be over 60 and then you say you are 55. And why do you have to be there longer term? Can't you buy the stuff and take home?

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]
I always like to ask girls who their special friends are as well. As this helps shed light on their character.[/QUOTE]

Special friends?

[QUOTE=Amjeck]In a p4p environment, money always does work! If it doesn't, get the higher-ups involved and start handing out cash (may cost a bundle). You may not get a happy girl, but you will get the girl.[/QUOTE]

What fun is an unhappy girl?

[QUOTE=Kid Icarus]So I went to the Bumrungrad Hospital to check up what the pain was between my anus and scrotum. And It was not herpes he sad and told me it was from the scooterdriving. But what I heard is that the symptom can vary. Doh, im such a silly boy that cant even trust the best hospital in town..[/QUOTE]

Go to the supermarket and pick up some Snake Brand Prickly Heat Antibacterial Powder [url]http://www.britishdispensary.com/Product/Popup.asp?Tcase=2&TID=7[/url]

A wise rabbit told me about it once when I was having a similar problem due to the heat and humidity. It will cure what is ailing you and help you to calm down and go out and have fun.

[QUOTE=Pita123]Go to the supermarket and pick up some Snake Brand Prickly Heat Antibacterial Powder [url]http://www.britishdispensary.com/Product/Popup.asp?Tcase=2&TID=7[/url]

A wise rabbit told me about it once when I was having a similar problem due to the heat and humidity. It will cure what is ailing you and help you to calm down and go out and have fun.[/QUOTE]

that is very expensive, if I remember right it is around 80 baht :D

I read in the paper today that if you have unprotected sex with 8 people, you risk to share the possibility to get STD:s from 2.8 million people...

If this would be ordinary dates.. i.e. not P4P ladies.... my god.. statistics is against us.. lol

[QUOTE=Opebo]Kid Ick, any doctor in Thailand that actually tests you for chlamydia and gonhorrea is over-doing it.. ...[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it would not surprise me. It feels that the most here is either black or white. Noathing in the middle. I mean, was it really necessary to whip around like he was mixing a damn cake mixture? And he pushed it so down the channel that the stick almost came out my back.

Thanks for the advice with the medical stuff, I will look back to that post when the times come.

[QUOTE=Pita123]Go to the supermarket and pick up some Snake Brand Prickly Heat Antibacterial Powder [url]http://www.britishdispensary.com/Product/Popup.asp?Tcase=2&TID=7[/url]

A wise rabbit told me about it once when I was having a similar problem due to the heat and humidity. It will cure what is ailing you and help you to calm down and go out and have fun.[/QUOTE]

I will remember that to! Now I have a cream the doctor gave me, or sold on me. Thanks for all tips. Ill hope the fun will begin shortly.. so far it has been just wierd.. =)

I just come home to the hotel after a visit at Giottos place. It felt good to talk a little and grab some beers. Thanks!

Seriously, what is the liklihood of accidentally running into a ladyboy or katoey? I heard some are pretty convincing. Is it enough to avoid Thai all together? I hear the Phillipines is dangerous. Is it more likely to run into a katoey in the Phillipines?

[QUOTE=Cool]Seriously, what is the liklihood of accidentally running into a ladyboy or katoey? I heard some are pretty convincing. Is it enough to avoid Thai all together? I hear the Phillipines is dangerous. Is it more likely to run into a katoey in the Phillipines?[/QUOTE]
The likelihood is high and higher than the PI since they are fixtures in LOS but why are you concerned about them? If they approach you and you don't want their company, just say no.

[quote=bumholes1]nic frenchy is in thailand more often than not -or it would appear so. he knows the ropes. [/quote]

i'd like to think i know the ropes but, i don't. and, i have been living full time here in los for over 4 years.
[quote=bumholes1]it would be interesting to hear what exactly nic got for his 5000bt.[/quote]

here goes:
hiv, vdrl (syphillis), chlamydia, herpes simplex

didn't do hep as i am vaccined for that.

all were blood/[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] tests, hiv & vdrl results available same day. herpes & chlamydia available 4 days later

all of that for 5,000 (and change)

[QUOTE=Cool]Seriously, what is the liklihood of accidentally running into a ladyboy or katoey? [/quote]
You are almost certain to run into them. Many work in beauty sections of the big malls (Emporium, Paragon, Central....)
Many freelance right on Sukhumvit
Many are to be spotted in NEP or SC

[quote]I heard some are pretty convincing.[/quote]
They are only "Pretty convincing" with weak guys. Just smile, tell them you like ladies only and they will go away.

[quote]Is it enough to avoid Thai all together? I hear the Phillipines is dangerous. Is it more likely to run into a katoey in the Phillipines?[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure I understand.... Are you scared of them?

[QUOTE=Cool]Seriously, what is the liklihood of accidentally running into a ladyboy or katoey? I heard some are pretty convincing. Is it enough to avoid Thai all together? I hear the Phillipines is dangerous. Is it more likely to run into a katoey in the Phillipines?[/QUOTE]

By "convincing" I think you mean that they look exactly like girls, right? (NicFrenchy seemed to think you meant 'persuasive'). It's true, some do. Most don't. Most are obvious. There's telltale signs: often taller, look at the hands and adam's apple, LBs often dress a lot more provacatively (sexily) than real girls generally do with high heels, short skirts, etc. To get a look at the typical type, stand right in front of Nana Plaza and look at the 'girls' who hang out there. Most of those are LB's. In general, LB's are in LB bars (Cassanova, etc), tho there's exceptions these days. ALso in general, they are out on the streets in areas where other LBs are. In front of Nana, a few across the street from Nana, on the street at Suk around soi 17(?) ATM and soi 19. So best way to avoid them is to become familiar with what they look like so you don't need to be afraid (seems you are) that real girls are LB's. Learn to distinguish. And avoid pickups in the few areas where they're prevalent.

Worst case scenario, if you find out too late that it's an LB and not a girl, just stop things and call it off. No big deal. If s/he got as far as my room, I'd probably give some tip to smooth things over.

[QUOTE=Pita123]I don't get it. First you say you have to be over 60 and then you say you are 55. And why do you have to be there longer term? Can't you buy the stuff and take home?[/QUOTE]

Keep in mind we're talking about 'medicine' that isn't scientifically tested. There's as much superstition in this field as there is anything else. So all the claims made for it haven't passed any kinds of serious tests to verify that they're real. Actually, I think it's even safe to say that they've actually failed those tests. Think about it. If these items really did what they're meant to do, then pharmaceutical companies would have studied them and isolated the active ingredient in order to turn it into an even more effective drug. Since that hasn't happened in 99% of these cases, tho there are hundreds, maybe thousands of drug companies around the world, I think it's pretty safe to say the claims are (by and large) bogus.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]
All of that for 5,000 (and change)[/QUOTE]
Change also? Damn, 5,000 was ok. Now that change is involved you are really showing you don't know shit. You were totally ripped off. Surely Buriram General Hospital would have cost less. No way you'd have had to add change on top. You sure wouldn't fit in with the long-timers milking their suds at Bier Garten day after day, mate.

[QUOTE=Dextro Sol]I read in the paper today that if you have unprotected sex with 8 people, you risk to share the possibility to get STD:s from 2.8 million people...

If this would be ordinary dates.. i.e. not P4P ladies.... my god.. statistics is against us.. lol[/QUOTE]

Then I'm screwed :D Especially since had a lot of equipment failures recently...

[QUOTE=Pita123]Change also? Damn, 5,000 was ok. Now that change is involved you are really showing you don't know shit. You were totally ripped off. Surely Buriram General Hospital would have cost less. No way you'd have had to add change on top. You sure wouldn't fit in with the long-timers milking their suds at Bier Garten day after day, mate.[/QUOTE]

LOL, yeah, I forgot what the "change" value was but I am certain Opebo could get laid with that amount.

I just remember it was 5 thousand something... but I didn't care because my insurance pays for everything.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Keep in mind we're talking about 'medicine' that isn't scientifically tested. There's as much superstition in this field as there is anything else. So all the claims made for it haven't passed any kinds of serious tests to verify that they're real. Actually, I think it's even safe to say that they've actually failed those tests. Think about it. If these items really did what they're meant to do, then pharmaceutical companies would have studied them and isolated the active ingredient in order to turn it into an even more effective drug. Since that hasn't happened in 99% of these cases, tho there are hundreds, maybe thousands of drug companies around the world, I think it's pretty safe to say the claims are (by and large) bogus.[/QUOTE]no need to argue about this. There is plemty of information nowadays available in the internet for Chinese medicine aswel some scientic report done from pharmaceutical.

Its not a question to believe in it or not. By a simply tongue diagnostic they can tell you if the Chinese medicine is working for you or not. If you have no deficiency on ying and yang overall the Chinese medicine is not working then same for every one. Thats why you need a diagnostic first.

The Chinese medicine is a complementary medicine to the western one.

A overall antiaging medicine for those with ying and yang deficiency or need to improve the ying and yang.

Ying and yang. Tralala. Tralala. Ok guys now you know there is a Chinese hospital here in Bangkok the best one after shanghai. All the staff you find in the internet anyhow. For example. Typ in. Stay young with Chinese medicine. End of the story.

[quote=kid icarus]the chlamydia has 2 weeks waiting for the result. but damn that hurted. i couldnt lay still, felt like a sissy.[/quote]

hmm ... i just got a work-up done in hong kong - hiv, syphillis, chlamydia and gonhorrea - at the government std clinic. hiv and syphillis were blood work and took three weeks to get back.

chlamydia and gonhorrea were done by the stick down the penis routine. walk in, drop your pants, little thing goes in, out, they swap it on a culture dish and done. didn't hurt. didn't hurt when i [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]'d.

perhaps the tech that 'did' you cut you a bit?

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Then I'm screwed :D Especially since had a lot of equipment failures recently...[/QUOTE]
You would need a lot of lube. Condoms don't like friction.

Just came back from my first time at Eden. Wanted to cross it off my lists of 'yeah I did that.' Line up was nothing to write home about. Choose Tulip from the right (non-A) side of the line, she choose Da.

Standard service; A little too much going on for me to really get into it. Tulip was good. Nice rack, don't know if I will be repeating the club again though.

Is it just me, or does everything (other than the food) seem pretty bland here now?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]LOL, yeah, I forgot what the "change" value was but I am certain Opebo could get laid with that amount.

I just remember it was 5 thousand something... but I didn't care because my insurance pays for everything.[/QUOTE]

Insurance?! Wow! Y'all hiring?

Hm, I understand but when I saw the place and the tools and stuff laying around I went scared. It looked like a hospital from the 30's. I really dont want to insult anyone but for me, I thought that I was at the wrong place. Maybe I will give it a try next time if I need to. I think there was a clock-seller beside the entrance. On the sign outside it just stod "clinic" and noathing with Red Cross or something. Wait, when im now looking at the map I see that I crossed (from south to north) a river on a small bridge and then turned left. Could I went to the wrong place? I think im must have been on the phetchaburi street just a little up and a river between from Rajdamri. Map: [url]http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=sv&geocode=&q=rajadamri+bangkok&sll=13.749223,100.542326&sspn=0.00619,0.021973&ie=UTF8&ll=13.748973,100.543334&spn=0.00619,0.021973&z=16[/url]

Hm, here is another Red Cross Clinic on rama road:
[url]http://www.redcross.or.th/english/service/medical_clinicaids.php4[/url]
Thanks everyone for all feedback![/QUOTE]

yeah, you were at the wrong place if on petchaburi...the Red Cross is near the Ratchadamri BTS station (walk south as if going to Sala Daeng), not the Ratchathewi BTS station near Petchaburi...the HIV and blood testing clinic is in a fancy new round building that looks very professional and has a big Red Cross HIV Research and something else written very boldly across the top of the building

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]If you read the forum then you would see there are no reports about major free lance markets around MBK and Paragon etc... That is because there is not any free lance scene. I have picked up a girl that is a sales girl at Paragon and a phone sales girl at MBK for example but they were NOT p4p and there is not free lance scene there.[/QUOTE]I picked up a sales girl also from Paragon on my last visit. In fact she was waiting for me in my hotel when I checked in.

Maybe its a hidden happy hunting ground.

Last night decided to head out around 10: 30, when I got outside the hotel realized it was raining; instead of trekking to Koreatown for dinner dropped in to Zanzibar on Soi 11. After a fiery (but expensive) meal was deciding on either going to Nana or Cownboy but was feeling lazy and thinking about calling it a night when I saw this voluptuous little woman. Almost reminded me of a petite black girl I. E., big rack, big booty and not too much flab. She wasn't dressed as [trashy] as most. But had a [tight] skirt on from which she was farily bulging. She smiled at me, so I stopped and chatted.

Agreed to 1000ST. Back in the room gave a good performance and was well worth it. Having some cushion in doggy is a nice change.. This time maybe I was a bit to business like.

Went to sleep happy. But woke up thinking should have gone LT!

There are a lot of WG on Soi 11. But not too many SW (I think). I see a lot of near hotties coming out of Grand President and Admiral. But they generally walk on without making too much eye contact.

Hey! What happened?

I leave for 2 years and it seems that the price of beer, bar fines, ST, and LT have dramatically increased.

The two girls at Tilac that I was interested in (amazingly gorgeous) were demanding 2,000 for a ST and didn't budge one penny. I took a pass.

I'm not old, fat man either. I'm in my late 40's, good shape, well dressed.

I did go back and RTFF but I couldn't find any unanimity about pricing. What do you think is the typical price for a ST and LT on Soi Cowboy?

Ending up going to Toy Bar and getting a spectacular piece for $2,000 total (bar fine + $$ for girl). Let me tell you, the girls at the Toy Bar want to do some business!