Bogota Reports

I have to agree with you. I didn't feel any sense of trouble being there. It was just a ton of ladies, a gang of bouncers trying to get me to go into their clubs. I don't negate people's experience on the forum because I'm not there to witness it. But with certainty, I had no problems there at all.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2324980]This guy is full of it, and I've never done this before in 19 years on the forum, but if he keeps talking ish on here I'm going to report him as a troll.

I've been here for a decade and a half now, live right next to la 1 de mayo, and have even taken other forum members there.

There is no risk in this part of town THAT YOU won't FIND ANYWHERE ELSE IN THIS CITY OR THIS COUNTRY.

As a matter of fact, the north of Bogota has MANY MORE incidents of people being slipped Mickey Finns than the south does.

People need to stop spreading obvious lies on here.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Routard;2325528]I complained in Lido and they showed me that in very small at the bottom is written that you have to add 19% VAT. These clubs just don't get it with their army of pushy waiters. Prices of the girls became insane in the last years while in the rest of the city talent was growing with the Venezuelan influx. [/QUOTE]Routard, do all the Clubs add 19% VAT to the bill? I am assuming this is a legitimate Tax which has to be paid by everyone. Tourists and Locals?

Is it safe to pay by Credit Card? Do they bring the Card machine to your table in these Clubs?
Even with a 3% Card surcharge, it would be cheaper to pay by Card than risk the Waiter pocketing 10 K, 20 K or more.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2325392] I ordered a beer, which was on the menu for 37 k. The waiter didn't bring back my change. I waited about 10 minutes for the benefit of the doubt, even though I was the only customer. When I did ask for the change, he brought back 1 k. When I gave him the stink eye, he told me it was the taxes. I said "rip-off", stood up and left my beer on the counter. WTF. Their only customer, and they try to scam me. If the tax is going to be ridiculous, then put the total cost on the menu. Bastards.
[/QUOTE]Shiny, Thanks for taking the time to write these reports. I read in another post, it is a good idea to carry smaller denomination bills.
It seems some Taxi Drivers also Tip themselves by not returning all the change.

In El Padrino, are there no Managers or Supervisors around if you want to complain? I will answer my own question. The A-Holes share the LOOT at the end of the day.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2323932]
l also went to the Mezzanine. Ended up at the one at the very end. Found a girl that suited my fancy. I would say the girls were mostly 6-7/10. My girl was about an 8/10, super enthusiastic and very GFE, so I was very happy with my choice and got her number for later. The rooms are insanely tiny. Literally about 28" wide and 6 feet long. Trying to not fall off of the 18" wide "bed" required acrobatic maneuvering. If you are at all claustrophobic, you wouldn't be able to go here. Seriously! Smallest "rooms" I've ever seen. Was quoted price of 80 K. Told her I wanted lots of DFK and DATY and she told me an extra 30 K. Total of 110 k ($35) for an hour of top notch service.

Summary so far:
Best service: Mezzanine.

I was considering Chicas 2000 tomorrow during the day (or a repeat of Mezzanine), then maybe La Piscina Del Norte in the evening.
Also considering La Celestina for one evening. Several of the girls are listed as either basic English or fluent bilingual. I would love to find an enthusiastic GFE with BBBJ, DATY, and DFK who can speak English fluently. The holy grail.
I read the local prepago forum about La Celestina girls and based on that I am looking at Aura Serna, Fernanda, Sara Orrego, Camila Botero, or Cristina.[/QUOTE]Shiny, is takeout available in the Mezzanine? I have asked before but nobody seems to know.
I hope takeout is available because a 28" x 60" cabin is not for me. I need a Queen size bed! LOL.

This is taken from the Bogota FAQ October 2018:

*Abadubai Spa.

Carrera 12 a #77 a-25. Open daily from 9 am till 9 pm. A new place, great facilities, the massage tables are beds on table level. Best line-up of all massage parlors, 9 girls, all very beautiful. Pricing starts at 60 000 for simple massage till 200 000 for one hour massage and sex. Expect GFE, an excellent recommendation.

[QUOTE=Jkryst;2325505]Where is Abadubai Spa. I've enjoyed your reports on it.[/QUOTE]

Any place has to charge VAT of 19%, but in a commun restaurant or bar the listed prices allready include VAT. In these place you can't speak to the manager, which is another red flag. I would not advice usying credit card, there have been reported scams in Lalo International when the name still was Porky.

The girls in Mezzanine are not available for take out and vast majority will not accept to see you after working hours.

I assume so. The best approach to take would be walk to each of the mirrored doors, stick your head in and look at the girls, keep repeating until you have found the girl you like. Do a short session with her in the cramped room as a trial run. If you are happy, then get her number and WhatsApp her later for a visit to your hotel. I think pretty much any working girl in Bogota would be happy to come to your room. It's safer and cleaner than any venue and she will get to keep all of the money rather than share it with the venue.

With regards to the tax "scam", the beer was 37. He charged me 49. That would be a 33% tax. Sounds like BS to me. Probably thought I couldn't do math. I would have made a bigger scene and demanded the overage returned, but I know myself well enough to know that it would get my adrenaline pumping and I'the be pisses off for the rest of the night. Better to lose $3 and call it a "fucking ripoff" to his face and calmly leave. At least the girls know why they didn't have any work that evening.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2325712]., do all the Clubs add 19% VAT to the bill? I am assuming this is a legitimate Tax which has to be paid by everyone. Tourists and Locals?

Is it safe to pay by Credit Card? Do they bring t Card machine to your table in these Clubs?
Even with a 3% Card surcharge, it would be cheaper to pay by Card than risk the Waiter pocketing 10 K, 20 K or more.

Shiny, Thanks for taking the time to write these reports. I read in another post, it is a good idea to carry smaller denomination bills.
It seems some Taxi Drivers also Tip themselves by not returning all the change.

In El Padrino, are there no Managers or Supervisors around if you want to complain? I will answer my own question. The A-Holes share the LOOT at the end of the day.

Shiny, is takeout available in the Mezzanine? I have asked before but nobody seems to know.
I hope takeout is available because a 28" x 60" cabin is not for me. I need a Queen size bed! LOL.[/QUOTE]

This makes perfect sense to me. Lalo appears to be on its last leg. The major difference in my mind (and with a mere one week of experience) between the northern clubs and Santa Fe is safety. The girls are pretty much just as hot in both places, although I did get a general vibe that the northern girls are, on average, a notch higher on the social scale and a notch or two more intelligent. Case in point, my girl from La Piscine del Norte was very intelligent in conversation and obviously educated. I doubt she would risk her own safety going to Santa Fe when she can lounge in a classier joint uptown with classier customers. The price premium isn't huge if you are planning an hour rather than a quickie, but the pushy waitstaff and tax "scam" is going to scare off customers like me. If Santa Fe were "safe", I would skip the northern clubs altogether, and tolerate the less refined but equally attractive girls of Santa Fe. If I owned a Santa Fe club like Troya, I would just start a limo / taxi service direct from your hotel to my club with door to door bodyguard service, eliminating the safety factor.

[QUOTE=Routard;2325528]Thanks for the update on these clubs. Regarding what happened to your bill, they all do the same. I complained in Lido and they showed me that in very small at the bottom is written that you have to add 19% VAT. These clubs just don't get it with their army of pushy waiters. Prices of the girls became unsane in the last years while in the rest of the city talent was growing with the Venezuelan influx. As a result, a club as Lalo that used to have the greatest line-up of the city is now desperately empty. If they don't react, they will close or become a ripp off joint for the ocasional visitor. Trouble is that even the ocasional visitor knows where to get better options thanks to internet. So i gess most of these places will die in the next coming years.[/QUOTE]

If you don't like the shady atmosphere of Santa Fe which is understandable, a good alternative to the northern clubs is la 49. Safety, facilities, service and line-up is as good if not better as in the northern clubs, waiters are not pushy, do not try to ripp off with the drinks. Even if it's also pricy, at least it's a fixed price scheme to go to the room and as a gringo you will be better off here than in the northern clubs where they will try to double the prices with tourists. I discussed once with the manager of La 49, which is a green flag that the guy is close to his business, hs a long term view (it's probably one of the oldests club of Bogota), interracts with the customers and cares about customer satisfaction.

[QUOTE=Routard;2325736]If you don't like the atmosphere of Santa Fe which is understandable, a good alternative to the northern clubs is la 49. Safety, service and line-up is as good if not better as in the northern clubs, waiters are not pushy, don not try to ripp off with the drinks. Even if it's also pricy, at least it's a fixed price scheme to go to the room, no risk to pay the gringo rate. I discussed once with the manager which is a green flag that the guy is close to his business and cares about customer satisfaction.[/QUOTE]Definitely agree. The couple times I went to Bogota la 49 a place I have yet to be disappointed. Last time I went to Lidos a girl asked me for 900 k for one hour.

But that doesn't beat a girl in Medellin on my last trip asking for 550 usd.

These girls must be turning into comedians.

Thanks to everyone who posted for me on this website, for the advice. Am looking at about another year, due to some physical problems. In my 60's and hormone level down. May only be able to nut a couple of times a week. You young studs have a lot of fun and enjoy while you can!

Oh no. This statement is wrong. Never met a girl there who wouldn't give a phone number for a date.

"The girls in Mezzanine are not available for take out and vast majority will not accept to see you after working hours. ".

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2325939]Thanks to everyone who posted for me on this website, for the advice. Am looking at about another year, due to some physical problems. In my 60's and hormone level down. May only be able to nut a couple of times a week. You young studs have a lot of fun and enjoy while you can![/QUOTE]Try Nebido or Uromax, they are a testosterone supplement. Available in Bogota, they will inject at pharmacy. $75 / $55.

Woodman, gawd I am starting to really miss the street and club girls at SF!

The past 3 nights was spent in centro Medellin checking for new street girls and club chicas, I never thought I would say this but the selection is the same old same old, nothing new and with the one exception of a cute 18 yo that I took back to my apartment for the night I am really missing the quantity and quality that the SF area has to offer.

Feeling underwhelmed in Medellin.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2326449]Woodman, gawd I am starting to really miss the street and club girls at SF!

The past 3 nights was spent in centro Medellin checking for new street girls and club chicas, I never thought I would say this but the selection is the same old same old, nothing new and with the one exception of a cute 18 yo that I took back to my apartment for the night I am really missing the quantity and quality that the SF area has to offer.

Feeling underwhelmed in Medellin.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I've tried to tell hard-headed people before. Although I think that Medellin is the nice city, the mongering scene in Bogota is better. Bigger, broader, and better. Check it out!

It seems that the SF girls do not take shower before or after the sex (probably because of the cold weather). I was wondering if I should ask them to take shower before sex. I like the section in Santa Fe though.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2326449]Woodman, gawd I am starting to really miss the street and club girls at SF!

The past 3 nights was spent in centro Medellin checking for new street girls and club chicas, I never thought I would say this but the selection is the same old same old, nothing new and with the one exception of a cute 18 yo that I took back to my apartment for the night I am really missing the quantity and quality that the SF area has to offer.

Feeling underwhelmed in Medellin.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE].

Anyone ever have any experience with this place before? Are the girls worth it? I tried searching the forum for info on it, but I couldn't find anything. Thanks!

[blue]Search better, because I typed myself "La Celestina" and found 28 matches. RTFF better.

Admin3[/blue]

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2326086]Try Nebido or Uromax, they are a testosterone supplement. Available in Bogota, they will inject at pharmacy. $75 / $55.[/QUOTE]What do these meds do? Are they temporary for an hour or a few days?

I can use Viagra, but it clogs up my nose and I need to breath if I am having sex. Even with Viagra I am only good about every other day.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2326449]Woodman, gawd I am starting to really miss the street and club girls at SF!

The past 3 nights was spent in centro Medellin checking for new street girls and club chicas, I never thought I would say this but the selection is the same old same old, nothing new and with the one exception of a cute 18 yo that I took back to my apartment for the night I am really missing the quantity and quality that the SF area has to offer.

Feeling underwhelmed in Medellin.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]LOL, Yeah always new girls. By the time you get around to them in rotation they're new again! I cannot keep up with my to-do list, LOL!

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2324379]Given my experience over the last week, I would go to Abadubai Spa. Guaranteed good experience.[/QUOTE]This is the tourist area? So this Spa is around Calle 11 & Carrera 7, and if I stayed at an airbnb within a few blocks I'd be in a relatively safe part of town? I could walk there during the day, or anywhere around la Candelaria in general during the day? I'm kind of a night guy which is what I like about BKK, I've never felt in any danger there, but since Bogota is cooler maybe I can be a "day" guy. LOL.

[QUOTE=Bohika;2326465]Anyone ever have any experience with this place before? Are the girls worth it? I tried searching the forum for info on it, but I couldn't find anything. Thanks!

[blue]Search better, because I typed myself "La Celestina" and found 28 matches. RTFF better.

Admin3[/blue][/QUOTE]You are correct. I searched the same way I did yesterday and today, I seen the search results Not sure what happened. Thanks.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2326506]What do these meds do? Are they temporary for an hour or a few days?

I can use Viagra, but it clogs up my nose and I need to breath if I am having sex. Even with Viagra I am only good about every other day.[/QUOTE]Testosterone is more for overall youthfulness, does help in that department too. There is tons of info on line.

I am not sure if this is the one you are looking for.

Carrera 11 #66-34, Bogota, Colombia.

Tel: +57 305 333 9945.

[url]www.lacelestina.co.[/url]

[QUOTE=Bohika;2326465]Anyone ever have any experience with this place before? Are the girls worth it? I tried searching the forum for info on it, but I couldn't find anything. Thanks!

[blue]Search better, because I typed myself "La Celestina" and found 28 matches. RTFF better.

Admin3[/blue][/QUOTE]

Greetings all,

I have been in Bogota the past week and enjoying the scenery (even with the rain last week). Started off the week at Ibis Hotel and eventually made my way up to Zona Rosa (Hotel B3 Virrey) for the weekend. Both hotels are guest friendly. On Thursday I saw a guy sign in a guest at Ibis in the middle of the day, shamelessly, in front of everyone. Whoever you are. Respect.

Last week SF was pretty good. I'm not one for the streetie sweeties so I spent Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday night going back and forth between Troya, Paisas, Fiebre, etc. As continuously reported by everyone else, the quality is pretty great. Usually at least 20 girls in each place. I personally prefer Troya because the waiters are less aggressive and the quality of girls is generally pretty high. The overall highest quality IMO is at Fiebre late night. It seems everyone flocks there and unless you pay for a table there's only standing room. This was the case even on a Tuesday night. Prices are pretty standard across the board. Expect to pay 70 k /20 min regardless of which club you're in. Also expect one of the cleaning ladies upstairs to ask you for a propina.

Friday I went up to Zona Rosa to enjoy the weekend and explore the traditional nightlife scene. Walked to Abudubai Spa and was very much impressed with the lineup. Laura was excellent - 180 k /1-hour all inclusive. As previous members have stated, the quality there is very high and I definitely recommend it. Walked to Mezzanine 14 as well and wasn't as enthused by what I saw and decided to pass on a massage there. The quality was 5-7 but I felt like I was being swarmed immediately as I walked up the stairs. It made the whole experience uncomfortable so I just walked away.

I spent the rest of the weekend actually going out in Zona Rosa. The nightlife on Friday and Saturday is pretty incredible. Started both nights off with a beer at Bogota Beer Company then went around to the 500 other bars in the area. I can't really recommend a specific one as they are all pretty good. If you're into dancing, music, and pretty girls then this is the place for you. I brought back a non-pro I met in one of the bars and had a great night. Don't be afraid to approach girls in groups of guys. It's pretty common for everyone to socialize here. If you don't speak Spanish then you better know how to dance / salsa. Unfortunately, I can do neither. I just got lucky.

I have one more week here and will be heading back down south tomorrow through Friday. Staying at Ibis again.

Safety: I was with friends in Zona Rosa but was alone in SF. Watch yourself around there and don't stay out too late on your own. Inside the clubs are safe, but don't get lost trying to wander around finding new places. My advice would be to stick to the main streets, and when in doubt only walk down busy streets. If you are walking back to your hotel from SF as I sometimes do keep one hand in your pocket, move with a purpose, and keep your head up. Once you reach the main streets outside SF there is generally military police or regular police presence. Every night I walked back to Ibis I saw military police on the main road going North-South. Once I saw them I knew I was good, but there's a 5-7 minute walk once leaving SF where you're moving at your own risk. When in doubt, take a taxi. *I'm a young, fit, black male so I'm not exactly the go-to target, therefore take this advice at your own risk*.

Language: I don't speak Spanish. I know the basic phrases to ask for beer, the check, and "how much. " Getting around isn't as hard as some make it. Either use your phone as a translator, find a waiter who speaks English (many do in SF), or wing it the best you can. Download an app (Google Translate) that does instant translations and you'll be fine.

Transportation: Ibis is about a 10-15 minute walk from SF depending on your pace. From Hotel B3 to Abudubai Spa it's about a 15-20 minute walk. 25-30 minutes to Mezzanine 14.10 minutes or less to the local clubs in Zona Rosa. I like walking but I've also used the Easy Taxi app. I didn't load my credit card info in there, just input your address like Uber but at the end of the ride pay in cash. I haven't had any issues with it so far.

Lastly, as much as I'd like to meet up with other members, I didn't get a membership before departing on this trip so I don't have the PM feature. My mistake. I recommend others get the membership in the future to avoid doing SF solo.

Best of luck to all and I'll look to post another update after this next week exploring SF.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2326506]What do these meds do? Are they temporary for an hour or a few days?

I can use Viagra, but it clogs up my nose and I need to breath if I am having sex. Even with Viagra I am only good about every other day.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't use testosterone if I were you. For most it's a life decision.

I'd recommend asking your doctor or going on line for alternates to Viagra.

I used to get a blocked nose from Viagra, never had an issue with Kamagra gel, or Cialis. Legit Cialis is OTC in Bogota pharmacies.

I have no idea where you are getting those directions. You need to search the Bogota FAQ thread (not this thread) for the "Bogota FAQ October 2018" post. It is exhaustively comprehensive and includes 3 links to Google maps for all of the P4 P destinations. Abadubai Spa is in the north near the upscale and safe nightlife area of Zona T, about a 30 minute Uber ride north of Candelaria. It is near Calle 77, not 11. Maybe you need reading glasses. The exact address is: Carrera 12a #77 a-25. That means on Carrera 12a, near the intersection with Calle 77.

[QUOTE=Magaman;2326717]This is the tourist area? So this Spa is around Calle 11 & Carrera 7, and if I stayed at an airbnb within a few blocks I'd be in a relatively safe part of town? I could walk there during the day, or anywhere around la Candelaria in general during the day? I'm kind of a night guy which is what I like about BKK, I've never felt in any danger there, but since Bogota is cooler maybe I can be a "day" guy. LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2327259]I have no idea where you are getting those directions. You need to search the Bogota FAQ thread (not this thread) for the "Bogota FAQ October 2018" post. It is exhaustively comprehensive and includes 3 links to Google maps for all of the P4 P destinations. Abadubai Spa is in the north near the upscale and safe nightlife area of Zona T, about a 30 minute Uber ride north of Candelaria. It is near Calle 77, not 11. Maybe you need reading glasses. The exact address is: Carrera 12a #77 a-25. That means on Carrera 12a, near the intersection with Calle 77.[/QUOTE]Thanks for setting me straight. I found the Abadubai Spa facebook page, but their pointer on the map feature is way off. I now notice they do list the proper address. I'll definitely take a look at that FAQ, thanks.

I will be in Bogota July 10th-15th. Will be staying in Ibis. Another friend woodman will join on the 11th. Will be visiting SF and other places in the north.

Would be great if anyone from the forum will be there around these days.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=KangarooTed;2327205]I used to get a blocked nose from Viagra, never had an issue with Kamagra gel, or Cialis. Legit Cialis is OTC in Bogota pharmacies.[/QUOTE]Cialis seems to work for me too. No stuffy nose. Sometimes I take a small 25 MG. Of Viagra, it seems to help and not stuff up the nose so much, so I can breath.

[QUOTE=Tiavoyage25;2327089]Greetings all,....
Last week SF was pretty good. I'm not one for the streetie sweeties so I spent Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday night going back and forth between Troya, Paisas, Fiebre, etc. As continuously reported by everyone else, the quality is pretty great. Usually at least 20 girls in each place. I personally prefer Troya because the waiters are less aggressive and the quality of girls is generally pretty high. The overall highest quality IMO is at Fiebre late night. It seems everyone flocks there and unless you pay for a table there's only standing room. This was the case even on a Tuesday night. Prices are pretty standard across the board. Expect to pay 70 k /20 min regardless of which club you're in. Also expect one of the cleaning ladies upstairs to ask you for a propina.[/QUOTE]Actually, a lot of those girls will accept happily 60 mil if you can bargain with them in Spanish.

I notice a lot of girls will circulate among Paisa, Troya, Fiebre.

I really do like Venus, La Casona and Atonis, often newer girls there and sessions for 50 mil lapdances 10-15 mil.

Tipping maids, 1 or 2 mil is what I tip. They may not knock as quick.

[QUOTE=Tiavoyage25;2327089]Safety: I was with friends in Zona Rosa but was alone in SF. Watch yourself around there and don't stay out too late on your own. Inside the clubs are safe, but don't get lost trying to wander around finding new places. My advice would be to stick to the main streets, and when in doubt only walk down busy streets. If you are walking back to your hotel from SF as I sometimes do keep one hand in your pocket, move with a purpose, and keep your head up. Once you reach the main streets outside SF there is generally military police or regular police presence. Every night I walked back to Ibis I saw military police on the main road going North-South. Once I saw them I knew I was good, but there's a 5-7 minute walk once leaving SF where you're moving at your own risk. When in doubt, take a taxi. *I'm a young, fit, black male so I'm not exactly the go-to target, therefore take this advice at your own risk*..[/QUOTE]In the North it seems like there is more gringo hunting with more serious players.

Be aware of people who are checking you out, following.

If you are not street wise do not walk from SF at night. Especially after 9 pm. I blend in and appear to be a more difficult target. In 5 yrs I have rarely cabbed the 4 block distance home. Have not had any real problems. On occasion I have noticed a few guys checking me out. I usually will give them a bit of a stare back and maybe a nod.

[QUOTE=Tiavoyage25;2327089]Language: I don't speak Spanish. I know the basic phrases to ask for beer, the check, and "how much. " Getting around isn't as hard as some make it. Either use your phone as a translator, find a waiter who speaks English (many do in SF), or wing it the best you can. Download an app (Google Translate) that does instant translations and you'll be fine.[/QUOTE]Spanish really can make a difference in the quality of your trip. I recommend Pimsleur Conversational Spanish for English speakers 90 MP3 lessons in 3 levels. Each lesson like a 20 minute class.

There is much more to say about the clubs, unfortunately I have to go. Will post more later. WoodMan is in the wind.

[QUOTE=Tiavoyage25;2327089]Last week SF was pretty good. I'm not one for the streetie sweeties so I spent Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday night going back and forth between Troya, Paisas, Fiebre, etc.[/QUOTE]Always hilarious since many of those chicks walk back and forth. Street one minute, inside the club another minute. You guys just don't get it. Same damn girls! LOL.

Hello mates,

I will be in Bogota from 29 - 30th, and would like to know if ibis Mueso, is girl friendly?

Have any one stayed there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2327951]Always hilarious since many of those chicks walk back and forth. Street one minute, inside the club another minute. You guys just don't get it. Same damn girls! LOL.[/QUOTE]Right, and usually for $40 mil!

A few notes on the Mezzanine.

I had three very similar sessions. Very pretty women, pretty faces, small, yet saggy breasts, slender figures. Let's say 6 or 7. Good actresses, they must be coached, as the sessions were similar.

I did see one real hottie, but she quoted 150 so I went to a back up. My advice, take your time and checkout each section. The girls seem to calm down if everyone gets to make their pitch. Overall it is an awesome value, an hour for 80-100 k.

Now my question. What's the play if I don't want value? Prices are so cheap, I would like to find the unicorn. Smoking hot, great attitude, real GFE (covered) and in this market, I would be happy to pay the premium. Any ideas for finding a true professional (in a good way).

[QUOTE=Mike963;2327966]Hello mates,

I will be in Bogota from 29 - 30th, and would like to know if ibis Mueso, is girl friendly?

Have any one stayed there.[/QUOTE]Ibis is the unofficial ISG hotel!

[QUOTE=Roman713;2328567]A few notes on the Mezzanine.

I had three very similar sessions. Very pretty women, pretty faces, small, yet saggy breasts, slender figures. Let's say 6 or 7. Good actresses, they must be coached, as the sessions were similar.

I did see one real hottie, but she quoted 150 so I went to a back up. My advice, take your time and checkout each section. The girls seem to calm down if everyone gets to make their pitch. Overall it is an awesome value, an hour for 80-100 k.

Now my question. What's the play if I don't want value? Prices are so cheap, I would like to find the unicorn. Smoking hot, great attitude, real GFE (covered) and in this market, I would be happy to pay the premium. Any ideas for finding a true professional (in a good way).[/QUOTE]Try this one: [URL]www.nanxingspa.com.co[/URL]. Excellent facilities and the most impressive line-uyp you can find in Bogota's massage parlours.

[QUOTE=Roman713;2328567]A few notes on the Mezzanine.

I had three very similar sessions. <snip>

I did see one real hottie, but she quoted 150 so I went to a back up. My advice, take your time and checkout each section. The girls seem to calm down if everyone gets to make their pitch. Overall it is an awesome value, an hour for 80-100 k.

Now my question. What's the play if I don't want value? Prices are so cheap, I would like to find the unicorn. Smoking hot, great attitude, real GFE (covered) and in this market, I would be happy to pay the premium. [/QUOTE]La Mezzanine does have potential. It is also an under reported venue compared to Santa Fe.

You saw a hottie at Mezzanine, but passed on her since she quoted 150 K. Then you say you can pay a premium for a hot, GFE.
Please clarify this contradiction.

~BKKguru

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2328764]La Mezzanine does have potential. It is also an under reported venue compared to Santa Fe.

You saw a hottie at Mezzanine, but passed on her since she quoted 150 K. Then you say you can pay a premium for a hot, GFE.
Please clarify this contradiction.

~BKKguru[/QUOTE]1) I am both a hypocrite and an idiot.

2) Never pull the hottest girl in a lineup if you want a good attitude. Dumb probably but it seems accurate.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2328764]Then you say you can pay a premium for a hot, GFE.[/QUOTE]How would you know it was going to be a GFE before the action had started? You usually find out a chick is GFE after the price has already been set. Unless he is talking about paying her more the next time. But why offer to pay more for the same thing that you are getting for less?

I'm currently booked at the Tequendama. But I wondered if there were a place around Parque 93 that meets all my needs:

1. Girl Friendly. No fee in the daytime, less than 60,000 overnight. Or as close to that bogey as possible.

2. Great WiFi. I'm willing to pay more to have a business hotel where I can consistently use Verizon's WiFi calling on my phone.

If those two are impossible to meet around Parque 93, are there hotels in other nice areas that would work?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2328856]How would you know it was going to be a GFE before the action had started? You usually find out a chick is GFE after the price has already been set. Unless he is talking about paying her more the next time. But why offer to pay more for the same thing that you are getting for less?[/QUOTE]GFE happens, paying more does not necessarily create a connection with your ho. I have had GFE paying $10 and some of the hottest girls too.

That is why speaking Spanish can make your experience 10 x + Better.

A wad of cash guarantees nothing. Persuasion counts for more.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2328856]How would you know it was going to be a GFE before the action had started? You usually find out a chick is GFE after the price has already been set. Unless he is talking about paying her more the next time. But why offer to pay more for the same thing that you are getting for less?[/QUOTE]It used to be there were regulars in Arg Priv, who could be relied on. In other locations, there were certain locations where the girls were well coached and selected.

[QUOTE=Tiavoyage25;2327089]Greetings all,

I have been in Bogota the past week and enjoying the scenery (even with the rain last week). Started off the week at Ibis Hotel and eventually made my way up to Zona Rosa (Hotel B3 Virrey) for the weekend. Both hotels are guest friendly. On Thursday I saw a guy sign in a guest at Ibis in the middle of the day, shamelessly, in front of everyone. Whoever you are. Respect.
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Walked to Mezzanine 14 as well and wasn't as enthused by what I saw and decided to pass on a massage there. The quality was 5-7 but I felt like I was being swarmed immediately as I walked up the stairs. It made the whole experience uncomfortable so I just walked away.
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Lastly, as much as I'd like to meet up with other members, I didn't get a membership before departing on this trip so I don't have the PM feature. My mistake. [/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your experience. Newbies should note the safety tips in your report for Santa Fe.

Hotel B3 Virrey: I have never stayed here. Based on feedback from others, I believe they have a Guest "Fee" policy (at least on paper).
Are you saying you were not charged for bringing a Guest back? Did you see other guys bring back girls? Can this Hotel be declared "Guest Friendly"?

La Mezzanine 14: Yes, the first time can be a little overwhelming. Give it another try. Walk around and take your time.
The big negative for me is the Casket like room. Hopefully, you are not claustrophobic!

Look forward to your second update. Thanks again!

~BKKguru

Centro Internacional, Transversal 6 #27-85.

Tel: +57 1 3814666. [URL]https://hotelibisbogotamuseo.com-bogota.com/en/[/URL].

I added it to the Map.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2328675]Ibis is the unofficial ISG hotel![/QUOTE]

The problem is that it is at the North end of the action.

It is a very nice, safe area.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1Y7d556oDwhh_X83ZCec7ItKPaXQ&ll=4.703917719107191%2C-74.04561860000001&z=13[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2328862]I'm currently booked at the Tequendama. But I wondered if there were a place around Parque 93 that meets all my needs:

1. Girl Friendly. No fee in the daytime, less than 60,000 overnight. Or as close to that bogey as possible.

2. Great WiFi. I'm willing to pay more to have a business hotel where I can consistently use Verizon's WiFi calling on my phone.

If those two are impossible to meet around Parque 93, are there hotels in other nice areas that would work?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2329084]The problem is that it is at the North end of the action.

It is a very nice, safe area.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1Y7d556oDwhh_X83ZCec7ItKPaXQ&ll=4.703917719107191%2C-74.04561860000001&z=13[/URL][/QUOTE]Agreed. I plan on spending a significant amount of time around Santa Fe. But I wanted to see if I could get a place in a really nice area where I didn't need my guard up all the time and I could bring back 1-2 photoprepagos girls every day between my Santa Fe trips.

Try this. More action in the area and safe.
Zona Rosa area

Saint Simon, Carrera 14 # 81-34, a block from C.C. Atlantis. Rates: Lowest price $US44. Tel: 621 8188. Fax: 618-4279. Email: [EMAIL]reservas@saintsimonbogota.com[/EMAIL] [URL]https://www.hotels.com/ho364754/hotel-saint-simon-bogota-colombia/?dateless=true[/URL].

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2329218]Agreed. I plan on spending a significant amount of time around Santa Fe. But I wanted to see if I could get a place in a really nice area where I didn't need my guard up all the time and I could bring back 1-2 photoprepagos girls every day between my Santa Fe trips.[/QUOTE]

Hi ya all,

My first time in this forum, and my first time in Bogota as well. I am going to stay over the week and am naturally looking for chicks.

I am reading through your reviews and pinned down some interesting place where I will walk my naked-friend. I am just wondering if there is anyone who is willing to go together exploring nightclubs of Bogota.

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[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2329266]Try this. More action in the area and safe.
Zona Rosa area

Saint Simon, Carrera 14 # 81-34, a block from C.C. Atlantis. Rates: Lowest price $US44. Tel: 621 8188. Fax: 618-4279. Email: [EMAIL]reservas@saintsimonbogota.com[/EMAIL] [URL]https://www.hotels.com/ho364754/hotel-saint-simon-bogota-colombia/?dateless=true[/URL].[/QUOTE]

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Agreed. I plan on spending a significant amount of time around Santa Fe. But I wanted to see if I could get a place in a really nice area where I didn't need my guard up all the time and I could bring back 1-2 photoprepagos girls every day between my Santa Fe trips.
[/QUOTE]Can someone comment on their experience with girls of photoprepagos? Do they give good service and are they GFE? And do they look like their pics? In Asia (Jakarta) usually girls do not look anything like the girl in the pic because its usually run by some agency.

[QUOTE=Routard;2328753]Try this one: [URL]www.nanxingspa.com.co[/URL]. Excellent facilities and the most impressive line-uyp you can find in Bogota's massage parlours.[/QUOTE]Do they offer BBBJ? What are the going rates at this establishment.

Thanks!

MjT.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2331015]Can someone comment on their experience with girls of photoprepagos? Do they give good service and are they GFE? And do they look like their pics? In Asia (Jakarta) usually girls do not look anything like the girl in the pic because its usually run by some agency.[/QUOTE]Sample size 2, but so far hit and miss.

1. Booked one got bait and switched, but I think the switch was a marked upgrade. Natalia (her photoprepagos name) was curvy and enthusiastic, real GFE. Darker than the photos, but that girl. Popped twice, one slow and intimate, the second hard and fast. A real champ. Really nice girl. It is like a minor league agency with a few girls sharing a place.

2. Salome. Definitely the girl in the pics, super hot body, toned and tight. And like a dead fish. Then picked up her phone 10 seconds after the finish. Didn't ask for two. Also shared the place with another girl.

Another data point for the super hotties don't work for it and the hot but not smoking give the GFE.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2157503]I don't arrive until April 5 but Check with Woodman.[/QUOTE]I'm going to visit Bogota next month and would like to meet some girls, they gave me a page and I'd like to know if anyone knows.

[URL]https://co.skokka.com/encuentros/bogota/[/URL]

Just an unsolicited tip, I think paying 300 k for a facebook girl is way too much. You can find similar quality girls in centro and in casas de citas. The minimum wage / pension in Colombia is around 850 k peso / month; some of the girls in the smaller casas de citas usually make around minimum wage every month (they get 25 k-30 k / polvo). Some of these girls will gladly spend the whole night with you for 150 k pesos. But obviously some negotiation has to be done.

Alternatively there is a huge influx of venezuelans that are trying to make money, these girls will also gladly spend the whole night with you for 150 k. Where to find them? Literally on any street in centro look for the girls walking around selling candy and ask them.

The political situation in Venezuela is creating an interesting, and incredibly cheap sex market in Colombia. Idk anywhere else in the world you can get this quality of girl for so incredibly cheap.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2331015]Can someone comment on their experience with girls of photoprepagos? Do they give good service and are they GFE?[/QUOTE]Depends, I had an great GFE from a 19 yr old from Miloeroticas. Later that week she wanted me to take her to Monserate.

Realistically tho, when you're just getting a random off the internet you never know.

Usually works for me, but obviously helps if you look good etc. Etc.

[QUOTE=Carlosalves;2331296]I'm going to visit Bogota next month and would like to meet some girls, they gave me a page and I'd like to know if anyone knows.

[URL]https://co.skokka.com/encuentros/bogota/[/URL][/QUOTE]I'ts always a crapshoot, But that Daniella is Hot. [URL]https://co.skokka.com/escorts/bogota/linda-flaca-100-ninfomana-7uwr263154089/[/URL].

Read Routards post from last year (I think) you can visit Chapinero massage places or Casas then go to clubs in the evening. I have never done Santa Fe but want to visit, but am always solo.

I have used Mileroticos in Medellin and been pretty happy.

[QUOTE=Carlosalves;2331296]I'm going to visit Bogota next month and would like to meet some girls, they gave me a page and I'd like to know if anyone knows.

[URL]https://co.skokka.com/encuentros/bogota/[/URL][/QUOTE]

Are there any agencies or links to girls who are 8's or above? Don't really care to much about price.

It's going down!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCOaBWOG4oQ[/URL]

[QUOTE=SunnyPatel;2333067]Are there any agencies or links to girls who are 8's or above? Don't really care to much about price.[/QUOTE]If you do not care about price, the WORLD is your playground.
Recommend you go to Moscow or Zurich or Hong Kong. Plenty of 8's in these locations.

Contribute to this Forum by posting your experience(s) first. You will get a better response to your Questions.

BKKguru.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2331953]I'ts always a crapshoot, But that Daniella is Hot. [URL]https://co.skokka.com/escorts/bogota/linda-flaca-100-ninfomana-7uwr263154089/[/URL]..[/QUOTE]Daniella looks exactly like the street sweetie you posted in your report 6686.

[QUOTE=Riina;2333522]Daniella looks exactly like the street sweetie you posted in your report 6686.[/QUOTE]Hey,

That is a different girl, Anyhow the girl Daniella is nice, and there are many, many hotter streetie sweeties in Santa Fe.

I have been doing more tours and the SF action is even better. I need to write a report. So many new observations.

Today, I exited the calle 63 station and visited the casas on the addresses below. The last casa was Chica 2000. The quality of all casas were mediocre at best. They had about 20 girls per casa, and the price was around 27 k /20 m, 35 k /30 m. There are 0-2 doables at every casa depending on your taste. But except Chica 2000, the lights were dim and it was hard to look at the girls' appearance carefully. I chose Jesica at C2000. Though she was very nice, she told me that kissing breasts and other places would cost 20 k each. This was turn-off since the girls I knew have not charged these things, and I just finished the session quickly and left. Overall I prefer Santa Fe girls and Medellin casa girls. They are much eager to please me.

CL 64 #15-30.

Cr 15 #66-17.

Cr 15 #66-22.

Cr 15 #67-24.

CL 71 #14 A-23.

Here's a quick video I shot in my area close to SF.

[URL]https://youtu.be/XC2-kgVBn-Y[/URL]

Just got back from a week in Bogota. I stayed in La Macarena which is a 5 k-8 k peso taxi into Santa Fe. The street sweeties were most impressive this visit. I got a personnel record high of 3260 cop per dollar. Did a couple of TLN with some past providers for 250 k for 7 pm-7 am. Another good week in Bogota for the Stain.

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[QUOTE=OilStain;2335020]Just got back from a week in Bogota. I stayed in La Macarena which is a 5 k-8 k peso taxi into Santa Fe. The street sweeties were most impressive this visit. I got a personnel record high of 3260 cop per dollar. Did a couple of TLN with some past providers for 250 k for 7 pm-7 am. Another good week in Bogota for the Stain.[/QUOTE]That's Streetie Sweeties, and they are better than ever.

I was in Bogota a few days ago and spent several days.

- Stayed in San Francisco Hotel: Great value for money at just $20 per night for a comfortable hotel with good breakfast, great location on border of decent neighborhood and Santa Fe.

- Met up with Woodman and Dfcan. Woodman toured me around Santa Fe for first time and Dfcan took me to an unnamed casa. Woodman also gave me some useful local information.

- Also visited Abadubai Spa as recommended by a couple posters here.

- Positives.

A. Food, drinks, transport, accommodation, and pharmaceuticals very inexpensive. Short term action also very affordable in Santa Fe as we all know.

B. Climate: Surprisingly comfortable with just a hoodie. Daytime highs in 60's and nighttime lows in 40's so I was expecting to need a thicker coat. But perhaps the lower atmospheric pressure at Bogota's high altitude makes it feel less cold than it would closer to sea level at same temperature. Also, the altitude didn't seem to bother me even though I thought it might.

C. Working girls I saw here seem never to refuse guys unlike in Thailand or Philippines where they can be very picky or just not in the mood. I know guys in Angeles City who get rejected a lot more than accepted. Some girls only go with guys they find reasonably attractive and some only go when they feel like it (not distracted dancing w friends, etc.).

D. Some of the girls in Santa Fe are surprisingly sexy given how gritty and ghetto the area appears. Majority are probably Venezuelans.

- Negatives.

A. Rushed service non-GFE service in Santa Fe. You only get 20 minutes in theory but in reality, that loud knock comes after 10 or max 15 minutes.

B. Overwhelming majority of girls I saw had some body damage due to having had one or more kids. I think I only met one who was not a mom. I think best strategy to reduce this issue is to go for the youngest looking girls standing around Calle 24 and Cra. 16 if I remember area right.

C. In Abudubai, the 5 or 6 who presented appeared not so young (probably single mums) and too skinny for my taste. I opted for just a straight massage which they offered at 80 mil. I gave 90 and they never returned change.

D. The. The un-named casa I went to with Dfcan had what I consider 4's to maybe one or two 6's and I think all were single mums.

E. Bogota tends to be cloudy and grey even in dry season.

F. W exception of Santa Fe, I think much of the action is spread out over dozens of casas all over the city. Each casa has only 5-20 girls so there is no one stop central market ala Rio in old days w Help and a few of the top Termas.

Questions to the experienced Colombia hands:

1. What is best area in this country to find thicker and taller (think certain Dominican Republic or Brazilian types)? I first thought of Buena Ventura but Tall Man told me attitude is bad there. He actually recommended certain clubs in Centro of Medellin for that type (I sent him photos).

2. For average looking middle aged gringos who stay in Colombia long term, how easy or difficult have you found it to establish close relationships with much younger local girls from reasonable class and w / out kids. Is it anything like the Philippines in that regard? I'm not saying Philippines is easy and majority of guys go for the lower class bargirl types. But for those who put in the effort. , it's possible to get close with more middle class types there.

I suspect that to get more GFE type experiences in Bogota with higher quality girls or at least those w no kids, you need to stay much longer and slowly build a network through online work and hit-and-miss at the many casas, etc.

I left Bogota on June 11 and am now checking out Cucuta. I've been texting with Tall Man for some pointers and he's given me some great advice. Will report on Cucuta separately soon.

[QUOTE=TaiwanLaowai;2335397]I was in Bogota a few days ago and spent several days.

- Stayed in San Francisco Hotel: Great value for money at just $20 per night for a comfortable hotel with good breakfast, great location on border of decent neighborhood and Santa Fe.

- Met up with Woodman and Dfcan. Woodman toured me around Santa Fe for first time and Dfcan took me to an unnamed casa. Woodman also gave me some useful local information.

- Also visited Abadubai Spa as recommended by a couple posters here.

- Positives.

A. Food, drinks, transport, accommodation, and pharmaceuticals very inexpensive.[/QUOTE]Nice fun trip you had. Can you share some of the photos? Do you think with rush of gringos prices going up?

[QUOTE=TaiwanLaowai;2335397]I think best strategy to reduce this issue is to go for the youngest looking girls standing around Calle 24 and Cra. 16 if I remember area right.[/QUOTE]That is actually a horrible strategy since there are many chicks out that are not old enough.

[QUOTE=TaiwanLaowai;2335397]What is best area in this country to find thicker and taller (think certain Dominican Republic or Brazilian types)?[/QUOTE]Colombia is neither DR nor Brazil, so you really should not go there with that in mind. But if you twisted my arm, then I would say somewhere along the coast, Barranquilla, Cartagena, Santa Marta. (What is in my mind is normal chicks that I have met or seen over the years. I can not speak for P4P.)

[QUOTE=TaiwanLaowai;2335397]how easy or difficult have you found it to establish close relationships with much younger local girls from reasonable class and w / out kids.[/QUOTE]That would depend on you. If you are talking about paying someone, then most younger chicks that don't have kids will not be interested IMHO. Most chicks get into P4P because they have kids that they can't afford. If you are talking about free, then like I said, that depends on you and your game.

I forgot to mention that I did encounter one chubby 19 year old Colombian white girl in Santa Fe who is my type and I would rate her a solid 7 or perhaps even 8 except that she had already had a kid and it showed a bit though the damage was less than with most. Got her whats app and hope to repeat if I go back to Bogota during this trip.

The girls I mentioned on the street in that area of Santa Fe look of age, just not pushing 30's, more like 20 ish. The two I met there were 20 and 21 respectively and one did not have child. A lot of the girls standing around are more in mid to late 20's but combined with hard lives they've had, their bodies tend to look much older once clothe come off. So with the tight clothes on, they can have some nice shapes but it's usually just an illusion, especially with the larger types.

Going back to my trips to Colombia in early 2000's, I did meet through a dating site one tall hot Dominican type in Cartagena. She was 18 years old, 5'10" and had a classic pear shape, maybe 80+ kgs. But solid and firm. Nobody else I met in Colombia were up to her standard though a couple in Cali came kinda close.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2335465]That is actually a horrible strategy since there are many chicks out that are not old enough.

Colombia is neither DR nor Brazil, so you really should not go there with that in mind. But if you twisted my arm, then I would say somewhere along the coast, Barranquilla, Cartagena, Santa Marta. (What is in my mind is normal chicks that I have met or seen over the years. I can not speak for P4P.)

That would depend on you. If you are talking about paying someone, then most younger chicks that don't have kids will not be interested IMHO. Most chicks get into P4P because they have kids that they can't afford. If you are talking about free, then like I said, that depends on you and your game.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your replies Mr. Enternational.

I am careful to avoid under 19s but frankly, most of the girls I see tend to look rough and older anyway so making a conscious effort to go for younger in the areas I walked yielded early to mid 20's who if lucky looked their age, not prematurely aged. Is checking the ID a secure enough way to be sure they are of age?

I take my hat off to you for being able to date young girls without paying at all in spite of being middle aged. You must have great game or have a certain kind of look that attracts young women. If I remember correctly, you are in Pattaya too so not paying sounds remarkable. Even young good looking guys I know there almost always pay something unless they pull other tourists. Bangkok is a lot better in that regard though for the younger guys.

In Philippines, I've found it doable to date some decent university educated attractive young girls w no kids but still, there is a sugar daddy element involved as I usually help them out with this and that. There have been exceptions here and there but usually young girls, unless they are from the broad or narrow elite class don't have that much money when they are students or newly graduated. Heck, when I was a student, I was broke too.

Right now, I have near zero game as most of the Spanish I had seems to have disappeared.

My reason for coming to Colombia over DR or Brazil this time was lower cost, better safety, and generally better infrastructure and attitude towards Americans. I figured that it's an ethnically diverse enough country that certain areas might have the bigger Brazilian and DR types but that assumption was probably largely incorrect.

[QUOTE=CoolGregg;2335430]Nice fun trip you had. Can you share some of the photos? Do you think with rush of gringos prices going up?[/QUOTE]I didn't take photos in those places and when I go out in Cucuta an night, I leave the phone in the room.

I didn't sense there is upward price pressure in either Bogota or Cucuta because most of the gringos as I know flock to Medellin.

[QUOTE=TaiwanLaowai;2335397]Questions to the experienced Colombia hands:

1. What is best area in this country to find thicker and taller (think certain Dominican Republic or Brazilian types)? I first thought of Buena Ventura but Tall Man told me attitude is bad there. He actually recommended certain clubs in Centro of Medellin for that type (I sent him photos)..[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your experience in Bogota.

1. What is best area in this country to find thicker and taller (think certain Dominican Republic or Brazilian types)?
Cali has thicker, darker complexioned girls. I have heard a lot of guys say that Cali is heaven for Ass lovers.

Cucuta is ground zero and the 'Port of Entry' for Venezuelans. Looking forward to your report and whether Cucuta is worth visiting.

BKKguru

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2335512]Thanks for sharing your experience in Bogota.

1. What is best area in this country to find thicker and taller (think certain Dominican Republic or Brazilian types)?
Cali has thicker, darker complexioned girls. I have heard a lot of guys say that Cali is heaven for Ass lovers.

Cucuta is ground zero and the 'Port of Entry for Venezuelans. Looking forward to your report and whether it is still worth visiting Cucuta.

~BKKguru[/QUOTE]I would have thought Buenaventura might even be better but one of the Colombian heavyweights (Tall Man) said the attitudes were terrible there when he visited. I do remember that some of the Afro Caleneas I met back in early 2000's had a very classy and elegant way of speaking. This was not as much the case for those I met up in Cartagena.

So far, I can say if you looking for a GFE, low prices, and virtually no gringos, Cucuta near Hotel Mary might be a great place to spend a few days. It's not as dangerous as you would expect because the police patrol the area intensively at night. But sometimes they disrupt things together with migracion workers by rounding up the girls and doing spot checks in the clubs. Basically, I have found Tall Man's reports spot-on and a good road map for strategizing. Tomorrow, I will see what the strip is like during the day as so far, I've only been out at night. Unfortunately, as Mr. Enternational pointed out, as working girls, most of them seem to have kids. Perhaps I can find some exceptions. Let's see.

[QUOTE=TaiwanLaowai;2335508]I am careful to avoid under 19s but frankly, most of the girls I see tend to look rough and older anyway so making a conscious effort to go for younger in the areas I walked yielded early to mid 20's who if lucky looked their age, not prematurely aged. Is checking the ID a secure enough way to be sure they are of age?

I take my hat off to you for being able to date young girls without paying at all in spite of being middle aged. You must have great game or have a certain kind of look that attracts young women. If I remember correctly, you are in Pattaya too so not paying sounds remarkable. Even young good looking guys I know there almost always pay something unless they pull other tourists. [/QUOTE]I don't ask for IDs in verification of age so I would have no idea. It is easy to pick the chicks that are too young out because of their clothes. They don't wear grown women style clothes. They wear clothes and shoes that are appropriate for their age group. For instance I was down on Degrieff in Medellin and saw some chicks wearing like Minnie Mouse shirts and colorful little sneakers. It was obvious but just to confirm I asked. 15! Then they taunted me about being scared. I said damn right I am scared.

Maybe the difference with me is that I don't seek particular things out. I just fall into shit. I see a lot of guys going out looking for this, that, and the other, but I show up and say I like her, her, her, without any preconceived thing in mind.

When I meet chicks on dating sites I hate when they ask what are you looking for. Many do not understand when I say I am not looking for anything. What are you offering? I am just there to fall into whatever I happen to fall into. It is probably because of this that I am never disappointed as I may be if I set out looking for a 19 year old chick with big boobs and a size 5 shoe.

In 2006 I was on the dating site and a chick in Cali hit me up. She confessed that she was not 18 as her profile said, but only 16. I told her to contact me when she turned 18 then because I did not need those kind of problems. She protested saying her parents would not mind. Nope. Lo and behold, 2 years later on her birthday she hit me up again. I went to see her and we started a relationship. Her parents always made me stay at their house. Of course I was on the couch and not sleeping in her bedroom. Her mom would cook 3 meals a day for us. Neither her nor her parents ever asked me for anything. That was 2008, so I was 36 back then and she was 18.

Now I am 47. A few weeks ago on Tagged a 25 year old chick with no kids in Pattaya hit me up. We got to talking and she said she works at a shirt shop in the mall. So we started hanging out a lot on her off days. I noticed she had a Galaxy S10. Hmmm. My last day in Pattaya before coming back to the States she came over to my place when she got off work. I saw she had on a Samsung t-shirt and I said they gave you a shirt with your phone? Then I saw she had on a Samsung jacket. She said I work there. I laughed and said why you tell me you worked in a shirt shop then? All she ever asked from me was to go to dinner on a side of town that she had never been to and to go to the movies to see Godzilla. So now she is my main girl, but I did not go seeking her out. I just sorta fell into her.

It is the same thing with 3 somes, videoing chicks, and other kind of crazy shit. It just happens. I don't go out looking for it. That is probably why you will hardly ever see a bad report from me. I go with the flow and there are no particular things that I am looking for and must have.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2335676]I don't ask for IDs in verification of age so I would have no idea. It is easy to pick the chicks that are too young out because of their clothes. [/QUOTE]I ask for ID. Walk away if she does not show proof. Without that small discipline, you should not be mongering.

I just completed my first trip to Bogota (It was my first time in Colombia as well). With the situation in Venezuela, I figured it was a historically unique opportunity.

A little about my style – I'm very picky with girls and I like a certain type. Generally, I go for 18-22 year old spinners. I will pass on a girl if she is too old (or even looks like she is out of this age group). I will also pass on a girl if she is over 140 pounds (but I sometimes find myself making exceptions). Even if they meet my overall criteria, if they have a hard face, I will pass. I also hate condoms for anything but anal. And I like to get to know the girls a little bit – especially if I repeat. That often results in a real GFE session.

Hotel Tequendama – It was a great place to stay. Very nice, secure room at a really good price (40 / night). The internet was awesome. I stayed connected to Verizon WiFi nearly the entire trip – so nobody back home knew I was out of the country. It was an easy walk to Santa Fe. The biggest negative is they aren't truly girl-friendly. I contacted the manager before my stay to find out their policy. They said they had to register every girl. But there would only be a charge if a girl came in after 9 PM. Fair enough. The problem came in the implementation. I tried to bring a sweet (and obviously 18) Venezuelan girl back from Club Venus. The front desk wouldn't accept her Venezuelan cedula. They demanded a passport and she didn't have one. I doubt many Venezuelan girls in Santa Fe have anything over than a Venezuelan cedula. For that reason, I suggest passing on Tequendama if you plan on bringing girls back to your room.

Woodman69 - When I arrived, I contacted Woodman69 for an introduction to the Santa Fe scene. It was one of the best moves I could have made. I probably would have been intimidated to go to anywhere outside of the main 2 blocks had I not done it several times with him that night. As it turns out, I found some real gems further afield thanks to his guidance. Highly recommended.

Non-mongering activities – I went to one of the restaurants that Anthony Bourdain reviewed that was famous for their Hot Chocolate with a piece of soft cheese in it. I thought it was overrated. I did, however, love Arepas la Reina in Chapinero. It was awesome. I also really liked the burgers at Voodoo – right down the street from Tequendama. Finally, for those who enjoy legitimate Thai massage, I highly recommend doing a 2 hour session at Baw Thai spa in the north of the city. I've been to Thai massage places all over Thailand and the US and this ranks up there with the very best. It is pricey by Colombia standards (I think I paid 200 k for a 2 hour massage), but cheap for what you get.

Now to the mongering. I sampled 4 of the scenes in Bogota: Santa Fe street and club girls, High End Clubs in the North, Primero de Mayo, and Photoprepago. In the end, I think I would have been best served sticking with Santa Fe and tried to get as many short times as humanly possible. I'll explain why shortly.

Santa Fe – While girls seem to be spread out everywhere, it seems to me there are 3 main concentrations:

1. The 2 blocks between Cra. 15 (back entrance to La Piscina) and Cra. 16 a and between Calles 23 and 24. One of the blocks has a higher concentration of street girls and the other has just about all the bars.

2. The intersection of Cra. 15 and Calle 22. There are also some girls along Cra. 15 all the way. (On the left side of the street there are some insane trannies – There is one huge dude with gigantic bolt-ons who walks around topless and screams at you.)

3. Calle 20 around the intersections of Cra. 14 bis and Cra. 15 bis. Again, the hottest girls can be found soliciting cars in the street. This is perhaps the cheapest area. I found some hot 18 year old going for 26 k (they paid the 6 k for the room). You just can't beat a hot, skinny 18 year old for 20 k or $6. That has to be one of the lowest prices for the quality in the world.

My first night after my tour with Woodman69, I saw two hotties with huge natural boobs in area 3. I hadn't had sex in about 2 weeks so I was about to burst. I took them both upstairs, paid a little extra for a double BBBJ. But when they started it, I pulled out a 50 k bill and told them it would go to the one who swallowed my leche. One of the girls was up for the task. She struggled. But the 50 k motivation got her to gulp it down.

I know this may be controversial but I also learned that I could go bareback with just about any of these girls for roughly double their usual fee. Paying an extra $10 to actually feel the sex is well worth it for me. If the girls ask me to finish outside, I always complied. But about half didn't make that request.

During my stay when I went to Santa Fe, I was always on the lookout for fresh meat. I was circulating through all three areas constantly throughout the day. If I saw a girl that met my criteria, I immediately moved in and went for it. I also ended up in a mini "relationship" with a girl from club Venus. She was a really sweet Venezuelan girl who seemed really out of place in the bar. She was awesome. But she kept me from hitting as many street sweeties as I otherwise would have.

If I had it to do all over again, I would have spent all my time in Santa Fe banging one chica after another and repeating with the most impressive ones.

High End Clubs – One night of my trip (Tuesday or Wednesday I think), I went out to 8 or so of the clubs on the Bogota FAQ. I was not impressed with the girls at all. Most were pushing 30 and / or were gordas. I honestly didn't see a single girl that I would sleep with (regardless of price) until the next to last bar – la Piscina. There I found one girl – a 21 year old Colombiana who weighed about 90 pounds. After there were no candidates in the other bar, I returned for the 90 pound girl. The bar fee was 200 k and she wanted 400 for short time and 650 for TLN. I knew I was getting ripped off but I went for it. She was good and enthusiastic but would only do BBBJ. And during our morning session, something happened and it seemed like I was hurting her so I stopped. I felt ripped off. But she was by far the hottest girl I sessioned with and we had a great / athletic session that night despite the condom.

Primer de Mayo – No offense to the fans of this place. But I hated it and ended up cutting my time there short. Even though Santa Fe may be more dangerous in terms of overall crime rate, I am pretty much anonymous there. I don't buy drugs so the drug dealers don't fuck with me. In Primer de Mayo, I gathered a bigger and bigger group of bouncers who (up to 20 in the block before McDonalds) who swarmed on me and were all pawing on me and could have easily attempted to pickpocket me as I was being jostled by the crowd. Most of the bars had the same problem as the high-end bars. The girls were old and / or fat. I found a couple of attractive girls in one bar and decided to settle in and have a beer just to get a break from the harassment outside. The bouncer was literally in my face the whole time I tried talking to the girl – first insisting I buy her a drink, then insisting that I buy her a 70 k drink. I am the most mild-mannered person you will ever meet but I was moments away from beating the crap out of this dude. He didn't get the hint when I told him to get the fuck out of my face in English so I just left. After shoving my way out of the bar, I crossed the street and went to Texas bar. It was much more civilized and laid-back. But, again, I didn't see any young spinners in there. That's when I gave up and went back to Santa Fe.

Photoprepago – I won't get into too much detail because this report is already way too long. But I did two dates on Photoprepago. The first girl was lactating which I though was pretty cool. She was also very eager to please. She wouldn't do bareback so I went for anal. Unfortunately, we had a messy situation. She was a trooper. She cleaned us both up and proceeded to give a BBBJ until I finished. The second girl I met at her place in Usaquen. Even though she agreed to uncovered sex for a substantial upcharge, she was an absolute cold fish in bed and definitely not worth it.

Bottom line: If you are going to Bogota, I recommend sticking to Santa Fe and banging as many girls as you possibly can in the time allotted (and if you are into bareback, you can definitely get what you want). Woodman69 is a great resource to get you started in that regard. You should also get a Thai massage at Baw Thai and eat at Arepas la Reina.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2335264]That's Streetie Sweeties, and they are better than ever.[/QUOTE]Thanks Woodman09! I saw some real lookers Wednesday and Thursday night in Santa Fe. With the current exchange rate Bogota is a bargain. Oil.

[QUOTE=Riina;2335686]I ask for ID. Walk away if she does not show proof. Without that small discipline, you should not be mongering.[/QUOTE]Yea that's like carding the girl LOL. If you don't ask for her ID, she needs to think to herself that she's starting to really look older haha.

Since I'm into big and tall girls, even when in Philippines, I tend not to even look at the small childish types. But in Montego Bay Jamaica, I did meet one big 5'10" girl who turned out to be just 17 for a few more months. She could have easily passed for 20. Glad I asked her age and since she was honest, I didn't need to bother carding her. Just told her, maybe see you in a few months.

[QUOTE=TaiwanLaowai;2335859]... to be just 17 for a few more months. She could have easily passed for 20. Glad I asked her age and since she was honest, I didn't need to bother carding her. Just told her, maybe see you in a few months...[/QUOTE]Yet the age of consent in Jamaica is 16. Age of consent in the Philippines is 12! I know, I know. It's 18 USC sec. 2423 (d): Travel with intent to engage in illicit sexual conduct and 18 USC sec. 2423 (c): Engaging in illicit sexual conduct in foreign places. USA! USA! USA!

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2335869]Yet the age of consent in Jamaica is 16. Age of consent in the Philippines is 12! I know, I know. It's 18 USC sec. 2423 (d): Travel with intent to engage in illicit sexual conduct and 18 USC sec. 2423 (c): Engaging in illicit sexual conduct in foreign places. USA! USA! USA![/QUOTE]The age of consent in my state is also 16, but since I am a US citizen one has to go by the age of majority when in other countries. I like grown women. That is why I do not have to ask for an ID.

[QUOTE=TyDown;2333142]It's going down!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCOaBWOG4oQ[/URL][/QUOTE]Ha, I just dreamed Marwa's girlfriend took me home to meet her parents. I'm not sure why they owned Quint's boat from Jaws? LMAO.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2335822]

Hotel Tequendama It was a great place to stay. Very nice, secure room at a really good price (40 / night). The internet was awesome. I stayed connected to Verizon WiFi nearly the entire trip so nobody back home knew I was out of the country. It was an easy walk to Santa Fe. The biggest negative is they aren't truly girl-friendly. I contacted the manager before my stay to find out their policy. They said they had to register every girl. But there would only be a charge if a girl came in after 9 PM. Fair enough. The problem came in the implementation. I tried to bring a sweet (and obviously 18) Venezuelan girl back from Club Venus. The front desk wouldn't accept her Venezuelan cedula. They demanded a passport and she didn't have one. I doubt many Venezuelan girls in Santa Fe have anything over than a Venezuelan cedula. For that reason, I suggest passing on Tequendama if you plan on bringing girls back to your room.
[/QUOTE]Great report ShadowJ. Finally a well written long form report on this board. Just a clarification about ID checks, it seems the rule in Medellin and Bogota (probably whole of Colombia) is that if you are bringing a Colombian citizen as a guest she needs to have her cedula, even her passport won't work (see a report on Blux in Medellin) and if one is bringing a Venie she needs to bring her passport.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2335512]Thanks for sharing your experience in Bogota.

1. What is best area in this country to find thicker and taller (think certain Dominican Republic or Brazilian types)?
Cali has thicker, darker complexioned girls. I have heard a lot of guys say that Cali is heaven for Ass lovers.

Cucuta is ground zero and the 'Port of Entry' for Venezuelans. Looking forward to your report and whether Cucuta is worth visiting.

~BKKguru[/QUOTE]Cali, Pereira Cúcuta, Buacaramanga, also Barranquilla but those girls are much harder to obtain and maintain.

Hey quick question? Has anybody been to 's, even if not recently? Do you know what the girls are dressed like in there?

I have a friend who just got hired there. If she gets in, I'll let you all know. Solid 9 and great in the sack.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2336266]Hey quick question? Has anybody been to 's, even if not recently? Do you know what the girls are dressed like in there?

I have a friend who just got hired there. If she gets in, I'll let you all know. Solid 9 and great in the sack.[/QUOTE]Which place you talking about?

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2336266]Hey quick question? Has anybody been to 's, even if not recently? <snip>[/QUOTE]You are missing a word in your post. Please fill in the blank!

BKKguru

Hi all,

Great active forum. I'm going to be in Bogota the last week of July but only Tues-Thurs. Are things totally dead then? What are my best non agency options? Based on what I have read, I was planning on trying mezzanine and abadubai daytime, and either Santa Fe or going to the higher end places like la piscina del Norte at night. But I wonder if the bars will still be good, given it is the middle of the week. Any advice would be appreciated. And I promise a report.

My dates are July 30-Aug. 1 if anyone is looking for a wingman. I am still trying to figure out the PM thing- does that require a paid subscription?

Thanks.

Anyone on the list visit both Tijuana and Colombia clubs? I posted this similar message on the Hong Kong site. My last trip to Hong Kong Tijuana, I met a guy visiting from Bogota. I'm thinking of a trip there this summer but if it's just as good in Tijuana, well that's a lot closer. Any guys been both places, especially recently? Oh, I am not looking for large butts or mega implants. It's a turn off to me. Here's a Tijuana girl from last year. One of my fav's.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2336672]Anyone on the list visit both Tijuana and Colombia clubs? I posted this similar message on the Hong Kong site. My last trip to Hong Kong Tijuana, I met a guy visiting from Bogota. I'm thinking of a trip there this summer but if it's just as good in Tijuana, well that's a lot closer. Any guys been both places, especially recently? Oh, I am not looking for large butts or mega implants. It's a turn off to me. Here's a Tijuana girl from last year. One of my fav's.[/QUOTE]LOL, Tijuana does not hold a candle to Santa Fe. I used to live in Chula Vista and have been to Tijuana 100's of times.

1990's I was able to drive and be in Zona Norte in 10 min.

Way more expensive for sessions / lap-dances.

Mexican girls and many Mexicans are propagandized to hate / dislike Americans. Colombians have a true fondness for Americanos who saved their country.

Harder girls there, not as many.

Too much more not as good to list here.

[QUOTE=TJHoag;2336662]Hi all,

Great active forum. I'm going to be in Bogota the last week of July but only Tues-Thurs. Are things totally dead then? What are my best non agency options? Based on what I have read, I was planning on trying mezzanine and abadubai daytime, and either Santa Fe or going to the higher end places like la piscina del Norte at night. But I wonder if the bars will still be good, given it is the middle of the week. Any advice would be appreciated. And I promise a report.

My dates are July 30-Aug. 1 if anyone is looking for a wingman. I am still trying to figure out the PM thing- does that require a paid subscription?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Actually, your dates are good. Should be off the hook! All options.

[URL]https://www.calendario-colombia.com/calendario-2019[/URL]

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2336672]Anyone on the list visit both Tijuana and Colombia clubs? I posted this similar message on the Hong Kong site. My last trip to Hong Kong Tijuana, I met a guy visiting from Bogota. I'm thinking of a trip there this summer but if it's just as good in Tijuana, well that's a lot closer. Any guys been both places, especially recently? Oh, I am not looking for large butts or mega implants. It's a turn off to me. Here's a Tijuana girl from last year. One of my fav's.[/QUOTE]Read some of mine and others older posts in the Colombia section (IE Medellin, Bogota) as we have discussed the differences between Tijuana and Colombia in depth.

You will find that I was a weekly Tijuana goer from 1999 thru 2004 then every other month from 2005 thru lets say 2010 then 2 or 3 times a year since then. In those days the HK club was literally a hole in the wall after though club as it was connected to Las Chaveles on the inside, that was back in 2000 and I witnessed the complete evolution of the HK club over the past 20 years now.

Nowadays I live almost full time in Medellin but still visit Tijuana once or twice a year when I am in California.

Of course if you live in SoCal Tijuana (ie HK club) is in your back yard but the prices are $80 to $100 a pop at HK, plus the room and drinks and gas there and back and hotel Cascadas room cost, etc. And if you go for 2 or 3 days your going to drop $600 to $800 and pop 3 maybe 4 girls.

If you come to lets say Medellin for a week, you have your airfare $650 plus $35. / night hotel and then your gil prices can be anywhere from $15. USD (yep you heard me right) to high end clubs at $100. A pop for an hour give or take.

I would advise you just to come and experience it yourself.

BTW, I write this from my living room in my apartment in Medellin as my non-pro Venezuelan chica, 23 yo spinner with a perfect body and even better attitude new to Medellin that day, whom I met this past Friday night has been with me everyday. This is the shit that I dig here, the possibilities are endless.

The Tall Man.

1. I mistakenly called Woodman09 Woodman69. Just wanted to correct that from my report.

2. One thing that creeped me out was meeting a girl from Montenegro (Former Yugoslavia). She had short blond-ish hair and a Crescent & Star necklace. When she said she was from Montenegro, I asked if that was Colombia or Venezuela (since I bet every latin country has a Montenegro). But she said it was actually the Montenegro near Bosnia-Herzagovena. I can only imagine the circumstances that led her to be working the Streets in Santa Fe. It creeped me out so much that I moved on and never got her full story. I never saw her again. It would be worth picking her up to learn how she got there.

3. I hated the short-time motels. There was no usable shower (no hot water, no towels). So you couldn't be sure your girl was clean nor could you reliably clean up afterwards. And one room I was in had no lights and smelled so much like old, dirty socks that I was unable to do the deed. The love motels in Chapinero are way too far away. I wish there were good, reliable love motels in Santa Fe the way there are in Tijuana.

4. In terms of comparisons, the pricing was overall much better than Tijuana whether in the clubs or the street. Prices for bar girls were from 40,000-50,000 ($12-15) while street girls went from 20,000 - 40,000 ($6-12). Those have to be the best prices anywhere in the world. Especially given the fact that some of the $6 girls were skinny 18 year olds. The bars in Tijuana have far more girls. But the bars all over Bogota generally let you walk in and out with no cover. It takes a good amount of work and walking in Santa Fe to find an 18 year old spinner vs. Tijuana where you can go to HK or order an escort and be done with it. If you speak some spanish, your chances of GFE (as much as you can get in 20 minutes) are much better with street girls in Santa Fe than with street girls in Tijuana. I'd also say that the Santa Fe girls appear more hard in terms of tattoos and smoking (often weed) openly in the street vs. The Tijuana girls.

Oddly enough, the short-term nature of everything reminded me of Frankfurt in the mid-90's walking through cavernous buildings banging as many chicks as I could. I sure wish I had the recovery time of my 25 year old self.

5. Photoprepagos was disappointing. It wasn't until I got there that I realized almost all the girls are based in Usaquen. That means it will take them quite a while to get to a hotel in the Santa Fe area (some don't even go that far south). It's a big time investment to call one of those girls since they could be there anytime from when you call until hours later (they are latinas after all).

6. I wish somebody would have taught these girls how to put on condoms. When I did use them, the girls rolled them down before putting them on and then pulled them over my friend and snapped them on like a rubber band. Excruciating... and another good reason to get BBFS.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2336672]Anyone on the list visit both Tijuana and Colombia clubs?[/QUOTE]As I always say, the only reason to go to Tijuana is if you are already in San Diego. I would not waste money or time going there otherwise. Colombia on the other hand, is one of the best places to monger on the planet.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2337007]3. I hated the short-time motels. There was no usable shower (no hot water, no towels). So you couldn't be sure your girl was clean nor could you reliably clean up afterwards. And one room I was in had no lights and smelled so much like old, dirty socks that I was unable to do the deed. The love motels in Chapinero are way too far away. I wish there were good, reliable love motels in Santa Fe the way there are in Tijuana.

6. I wish somebody would have taught these girls how to put on condoms. When I did use them, the girls rolled them down before putting them on and then pulled them over my friend and snapped them on like a rubber band. Excruciating... and another good reason to get BBFS.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your experience. Love the follow-up "additional thoughts". More of us need to do this.

Santa Fe
You identified the huge negatives. Santa Fe is not for me because:

(1) The 20 minute quickie is really the 15 minute quickie. 5 minutes to undress and dress etc. for the Chica and yourself.
Also, the dreaded knock on the door comes around the 15 minute mark. Sometimes even couple of minutes earlier.

(2) I can almost hear the counter argument. You have the option to keep the Chica for an hour, or even longer. Sure, but then your cost is 3x higher at a minimum.
Once you add all the "extras", Santa Fe is not as cheap as advertised. To be clear, overall, it is still cheap if you are calculating in US Dollars.

(3) Clearly there is demand for a modern Short Time Motel. Hopefully, some Colombian entrepreneur will seize this opportunity. For me, clean towels and a shower is a must.

Safety
You write: "Even though Santa Fe may be more dangerous in terms of overall crime rate, I am pretty much anonymous there".
Please clarify. Why are you anonymous? Do you look Colombian? Or are you built like a Santa Fe club bouncer?
Just curious - did you take any safety precautions? Like leaving your watch and smartphone in your Hotel room?

Condoms
Santa Fe is a high volume environment for these Chicas.
It is your life and who am I to criticize. IMHO, going bareback is looking for trouble.

BKKguru

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2337007]1...

3. I hated the short-time motels. There was no usable shower (no hot water, no towels). So you couldn't be sure your girl was clean nor could you reliably clean up afterwards. And one room I was in had no lights and smelled so much like old, dirty socks that I was unable to do the deed. The love motels in Chapinero are way too far away. I wish there were good, reliable love motels in Santa Fe the way there are in Tijuana..[/QUOTE]I'm sorry, I neglected to mention.

Actually there are 2 love style motels 1 block north on Carrera 16.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2337026]As I always say, the only reason to go to Tijuana is if you are already in San Diego. I would not waste money or time going there otherwise. Colombia on the other hand, is one of the best places to monger on the planet.[/QUOTE]Your opinion matters, which other places would you rank higher, and why.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2336978]

BTW, I write this from my living room in my apartment in Medellin as my non-pro Venezuelan chica, 23 yo spinner with a perfect body and even better attitude new to Medellin that day, whom I met this past Friday night has been with me everyday. This is the shit that I dig here, the possibilities are endless.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Tall Man, I see your posts regarding these types of girls. I would be interested in meeting similar. Where do you meet them? Any advice for us if we speak spanish?

My trip was a couple of weeks ago, but I told myself I would do a better job contributing since I have benefited so much from others reports. Better late than never!

I stayed in Zona Rosa for business reasons. I love the area! So many different restaurants and bars. Felt secure and never boring. I stayed in that area on both Wed and Thur and hit up the northside clubs. La Piscina Norte, etc. I have had good experiences in the places in the past, but did not like the lineups at all in any of them on either night. Nothing higher than a maybe a 5 in my opinion. Maybe because I was in Brazil at Scandalo earlier in the week (absolutely mind blowing, BTW).

Friday night decided to try Santa Fe. I had been once before years ago so generally knew what to expect. I travel all over the place and don't scare easily, but it made me very nervous that my uber driver didn't want to let me out. He said it was too dangerous. Of course I made a deal with the little man and wasnt going to let him down, so I went anyway. I asked a girl in Piscina and she told me the same thing. She said I should stay inside the clubs until my uber was showing outside. Anyway, the lineup was pretty good in Piscina, but I wanted to check out at least one more place. I went to Troya (I think? I didn't like it there at all. Too busy, selection not good, and just didn't like the vibe. Saw some lookers on the street, but didn't try because the driver and the earlier girl had me worked up about safety. Went back to Piscina and found a different Colombiana this time. I'm not really a fan of short time, but got a very nice unrushed bbjtcim for 185 k including room. I gave her FIV which she either really enjoyed or did a great job selling it! Overall, no issues at all and enjoyed the session, but didn't like being so worried about the security.

On Saturday I went over to Abadubai. I can confirm all the positive reports. The place was clean, the lineup was pretty good, mostly 7's IMO, and the session was very nice with another solid BBBJ and CFS. She also really seemed to enjoy it or at least make me believe it. I only regret not taking her up on the greek which was on the menu. I can't remember for sure, but think the total damage was about 285 k (a bargain!

Overall. Great time, definitely one of my favorites in the world. Can't wait to repeat!

The south stroll runs on carrera 14 bis parallel to Caracas begins at 19 and ends at calle 21. This area is a little dodgier. I have not had any real problems but you need to pay attention as always.

The big line up on the corner of Calle 20 will have 30+ girls and plenty of girls on the 2 blocks probably like 200+.

There are some bars right by the line-up, Have a beer and enjoy the show! Even if you do not want to do a quickie, the spectacle of all those hot girls is worth seeing.

26 mil /15 mnts, including hotel fee. Girls are not attractive. Some trannies are present. Significantly more rough and dangerous area than Cls 23-4.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2337455]The south stroll runs on carrera 14 bis parallel to Caracas begins at 19 and ends at calle 21. This area is a little dodgier. I have not had any real problems but you need to pay attention as always.

The big line up on the corner of Calle 20 will have 30+ girls and plenty of girls on the 2 blocks probably like 200+.

There are some bars right by the line-up, Have a beer and enjoy the show! Even if you do not want to do a quickie, the spectacle of all those hot girls is worth seeing.[/QUOTE]

Arrived from medellin. Check in at Ayenda Brisas del Oasis hotel its in the middle of chapinero perfect for visiting all casas its a budget hotel for 71000 pesos but have everything I need wifi, hot water, comforable bed. Drop my bag have a shower and straight to the casas around 2 pm.

Casa verde- have around 10 girls inside I like one from them price is 25 k - 20 min and 30 min-40 k. Beer is 4 or 5 k. Take a girl name pamela from Colombia I fuck her hard but could cum in 20 minutes and my time is gone. No problem baby is just 25 k pesos. Finish my beer and left.

Palmeras real (just opossite casa verde) - was around 8-10 girls I like one her name is natali from Colombia 21 years old. Price is 20 min-25 k 30 min-40 k. I take her for 30 min. The girls was good at bed and have nice attitude. She works hard and make me cum. I collected her whatsapp and left.

Have a 1 hour walk around chapinero have some food and beer and comeback hotel for a nap.

Later I checked some casas and strip clubs again but the quality was not good and I dissapointed with places I go.

Gaticas- beer price is 6. 5 k girls for 20 min-25 k. This place is very local have a bar inside and 7-8 ugly girls and many colombian guys drinking and spend times with girls. I have one beer and left.

Salome- just ugly girls inside see line up and left don't bother to ask prices.

Inovva pasarela strip club- have 4 or 5 girls inside don't see anything I like and left.

112 masajes- I went upstairs and take wrong doors inside I see a girl I ask her can I see chickas? She told me here is internet cafe (I didint see computers round a corner at first) comeback to other doors ring a bell girl open and let me in. I ask can I see a girls and how much for 30 minutes? She told me 60 k. She show me 3 girls all was so so. I don't take anything she told me viewing fee is 4 k (she should mention it before presentation not after). I pay 4 k and left.

Bellezas why figuras massages- the place was open but don't have any girls inside so I left.

Secret place- could find this place (seems its really secret).

Gissel barra dance inside look like modern strip club but around 8 pm any girls wasnt dancing just sit on the chairs. Have 5-6 girls some of them was cute. Any costumers is empty place music was playing loud inside I went to the barmen and ask how much girl for 30 minutes- he told me 300 thousand pesos for 1 hour. I think maybe I heard something wrong so I ask him again. He repeat me the same. I ask so how much 30 minutes when? He said just one hour not have 30 minutes. I don't know its rip off or this place is expensive.

Sex on the way-have just one ugly girl.

Rosquillas 1 - I remember this place from last year and decided visit again because its nice looking place inside and have some cute girls before. Last year they increase me the price for 30 minutes on 15 mil pesos I pay for 30 minutes 50 k instead 35 k. I was sure price was wrong so I text them on whatsapp number and find out real prices last year and I was right they rip me off. This time before one day I go I text them on whatsapp and ask the prices again. They text me 28 mil-20 min 38 mil-30 min 1 hour - 76 mil. When I come inside I ask the prices they told me 20 minutes is 50 k pesos I show them whatsapp prices which they send me. They get confused and said ok you can have a girl for this price I just walk away even not look line up.

Decided it enough with casas today and catch uber to santa fe around 8. 30 pm it was not so busy I walk some blocks around see few cute girls next to short time rooms but when I comeback they was gone. Have some food and went to California whiskeria club have one aquilla light for 7 k pesos and left. Many street girls was standing next to el paso club (which seems closed and all the way to California whiskeria. I was planning to go back hotel already when saw cute young girl standing outside she was smiling for me I like her smile with braces. She was 19 years old from venezuela name sarai without kids and nice body. I ask how much she want for 30 minutes she told me 70 k I said to much and offer 50 k she said no 60 k I said 50 again and she agree. She bring me to short time hotel and pay for room 5 k from 50 k I give to her. The room was quiet nice compare with all other rooms I have been at santa fe. The girl was good and make me cum fast I take her whastapp number and facebook and let her go. Catch uber and comeback hotel.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2337691]26 mil /15 mnts, including hotel fee. Girls are not attractive. Some trannies are present. Significantly more rough and dangerous area than Cls 23-4.[/QUOTE]Yes, you walk past a bunch of trannies on the way. It does seem rougher than 23-24. But I beg to differ regarding girls are not attractive. I consider 95% of the girls in Santa Fe unfuckable (too old, too fat, too ugly, too hard). But I found the biggest concentration of fuckable girls in this area.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2336978]Read some of mine and others older posts in the Colombia section (IE Medellin, Bogota) as we have discussed the differences between Tijuana and Colombia in depth.

You will find that I was a weekly Tijuana goer from 1999 thru 2004 then every other month from 2005 thru lets say 2010 then 2 or 3 times a year since then. In those days the HK club was literally a hole in the wall after though club as it was connected to Las Chaveles on the inside, that was back in 2000 and I witnessed the complete evolution of the HK club over the past 20 years now.

Nowadays I live almost full time in Medellin but still visit Tijuana once or twice a year when I am in California.

Of course if you live in SoCal Tijuana (ie HK club) is in your back yard but the prices are $80 to $100 a pop at HK, plus the room and drinks and gas there and back and hotel Cascadas room cost, etc. And if you go for 2 or 3 days your going to drop $600 to $800 and pop 3 maybe 4 girls..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the great posts TM. Am a newbie to the mongering scene. Went to Poblado with a highly experienced M. Met a nice paisa on way up to Parc Alvi. Went back to Bello 2 x but nothing. I'm 58 - she's 33. Thought we had something (talked every day on the phone) - bottom line, I kept sending her $$ . When push came to shove, I said I wanted her body and she pretty much disappeared. A quick Chat would be awesome about what to do next time there. Thinking Centro, but I'm blonde / blue (do speak Spanish) but not interested in getting killed anytime soon. Thanks.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2338023]Yes, you walk past a bunch of trannies on the way. It does seem rougher than 23-24. But I beg to differ regarding girls are not attractive. I consider 95% of the girls in Santa Fe unfuckable (too old, too fat, too ugly, too hard). But I found the biggest concentration of fuckable girls in this area.[/QUOTE]Actually There are maybe 5+ trannies on 19th and 14th and hardly any as you walk north, Mostly girls many 18-20 something pretty girls when busy.

Last night was slow, there were definitely a few girls most would be happy with, In the north stroll lotsa cuties on the street. We ended up in Venus. I got a lapdance from a Super Cute spinner, she was like a HS cheerleader a Latina barbie doll, 19 years old, obviously no kids.

[QUOTE=SallySally;2337389]Tall Man, I see your posts regarding these types of girls. I would be interested in meeting similar. Where do you meet them? Any advice for us if we speak spanish?[/QUOTE]And my spanish is still broken, god help the girls when I can communicate better.

To answer your question it takes time and patience, which most mongers who visit for a few days or weeks just don't have, but I do. Simply is a matter of spending time in busy areas of centro and observing and being patient as these situations do not come often but when they do you simply pounce on it.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Cbmcpa;2338085]Thanks for the great posts TM. Am a newbie to the mongering scene. Went to Poblado with a highly experienced M. Met a nice paisa on way up to Parc Alvi. Went back to Bello 2 x but nothing. I'm 58 - she's 33. Thought we had something (talked every day on the phone) - bottom line, I kept sending her $$ . When push came to shove, I said I wanted her body and she pretty much disappeared. A quick Chat would be awesome about what to do next time there. Thinking Centro, but I'm blonde / blue (do speak Spanish) but not interested in getting killed anytime soon. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I'm blondish with green, wanting Spanish (learning) and 2 meters tall, in centro just use common sense, don't disrespect anyone even the druggies or tranies, walk with a purpose and you would be surprised what you will find given some patience and time.

Question. What do you mean that you "went back to Bello 2 x"? Many girls are from Bello, I have personally know some real cuties over the past 3 or 4 years and some I still see and play with from time to time. Elaborate on your statement.

The Tall Man.

Great info Tall Man.

You said, "high end clubs at $100. A pop for an hour give or take".

So where do the Stunners hang out in Bogota? For $100 usd there are plenty online in Tijuana and in the clubs. So what's the method to find them? Search the clubs? The streets? Go online? And for a full hour, sorry none of those quickie cheapo deals. Want a little "romance" LOL Looking for only stunners.

Ideas?

The Tall Man;2336978]Read some of mine and others older posts in the Colombia section (IE Medellin, Bogota) as we have discussed the differences between Tijuana and Colombia in depth.

You will find that I was a weekly Tijuana goer from 1999 thru 2004 then every other month from 2005 thru lets say 2010 then 2 or 3 times a year since then. In those days the HK club was literally a hole in the wall after though club as it was connected to Las Chaveles on the inside, that was back in 2000 and I witnessed the complete evolution of the HK club over the past 20 years now.

Nowadays I live almost full time in Medellin but still visit Tijuana once or twice a year when I am in California.

Of course if you live in SoCal Tijuana (IE HK club) is in your back yard but the prices are $80 to $100 a pop at HK, plus the room and drinks and gas there and back and hotel Cascadas room cost, etc. And if you go for 2 or 3 days your going to drop $600 to $800 and pop 3 maybe 4 girls.

If you come to lets say Medellin for a week, you have your airfare $650 plus $35. / night hotel and then your gil prices can be anywhere from $15. USD (yep you heard me right) to high end clubs at $100. A pop for an hour give or take.

I would advise you just to come and experience it yourself.

BTW, I write this from my living room in my apartment in Medellin as my non-pro Venezuelan chica, 23 yo spinner with a perfect body and even better attitude new to Medellin that day, whom I met this past Friday night has been with me everyday. This is the shit that I dig here, the possibilities are endless.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2337937]Arrived from medellin. Check in at Ayenda Brisas del Oasis hotel its in the middle of chapinero perfect for visiting all casas its a budget hotel for 71000 pesos but have everything I need wifi, hot water, comforable bed. Drop my bag have a shower and straight to the casas around 2 pm.

Casa verde- have around 10 girls inside I like one from them price is 25 k - 20 min and 30 min-40 k. Beer is 4 or 5 k. Take a girl name pamela from Colombia I fuck her hard but could cum in 20 minutes and my time is gone. No problem baby is just 25 k pesos. Finish my beer and left.

Palmeras real (just opossite casa verde) - was around 8-10 girls I like one her name is natali from Colombia 21 years old. Price is 20 min-25 k 30 min-40 k. I take her for 30 min. The girls was good at bed and have nice attitude. She works hard and make me cum. I collected her whatsapp and left.


Gaticas- beer price is 6. 5 k girls for 20 min-25 k. This place is very local have a bar inside and 7-8 ugly girls and many colombian guys drinking and spend times with girls. I have one beer and left.

Salome- just ugly girls inside see line up and left don't bother to ask prices.

Inovva pasarela strip club- have 4 or 5 girls inside don't see anything I like and left.

[/QUOTE]Where are casa verde and palmeras real located? I can't find them on the Bogota lists nor on don Colombia?

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2338626]Great info Tall Man.

You said, "high end clubs at $100. A pop for an hour give or take".

[/QUOTE]TM is talking about Medellin. You can search for "La Isla Club". There are plenty of reports in Medellin forum.

Meet with other forum member Taiwan Laowai and walk to santa fe around 18.30 pm it was busy already many cuties on street. We have some food make few laps aroud the block and hit clubs. First we went to California whiskeria have many girls inside but nobody was dancing on stage yet we have beer and left.

Next place we checked was atons club it was packed and fun girls was dancing after make lesbian show eat each other pussy many times till dancing. We make couple of laps around the block again looking for street girls and went la cosona club. I find here slim venesualian name rosangela 21 years old. I ask how much she want for 20 minutes she told 60 k I offered 40 k and she agree but I pay for room upstairs 5 or 7 k also. Girl was good and I could last probably more than 10 minutes. We went out but was raining strong so come to venus club. This place was full of costumers and have some nice girls inside. Taiwan Laowai find girl here and go upstairs I was drinking beer and watching girls dancing and other lesbian show girls was more passionate here lick each other and dancing and use lolippop put inside pussy after into each other mouth they both have nice bodies and looks sexy I was thinking to take one of them upstairs but could get some power yet from previous girl. Venus club was great place many costumers take private dances and everybody have fun here!

Later we went out and I decided to find some street girl. Around 22.30 pm was many girls on street seems most of them venezualians. I saw one I really like but she want 70 k for 30 minutes and not go down so I find another cutie standing just few meters away I ask how much you want for 30 minutes? she said 35 k and you pay room. Sure no problem!! We went short time hotel I pay 5 k for room and give for girl 35 k. The girl name was yorgelis 19 years old from venezuela with nice attitude and good looking body. She suck me for a while but I could get proper hard after 1 girl before at santa fe and 2 in the morning from casas. She try to put my dick inside her pussy but it was like plastic could fuck her properly. So I take condom out and she wank for me till I cum somehow. I take her whatsapp and facebook. Santa fe on Friday was great we spend around 5 hours in total. At clubs beer prices (aquilla light) is 6-7 k pesos. My last day at Bogota was spend well with 4 diffrent venesualians cuties from casas and santa fe.

[QUOTE=SallySally;2338720]Where are casa verde and palmeras real located? I can't find them on the Bogota lists nor on don Colombia?[/QUOTE]Its at chapinero at Carrera 15 #66-18 carrera 15 #66-17 both on bagota mongering map.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2336626]You are missing a word in your post. Please fill in the blank!

~BKKguru[/QUOTE]Sorry guys, it's Ottos.

If it's not showing it may be because of some weirdness with the forum.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2338751]I have not seen any mention of Cargo Pants. These Pants would be perfect for walking around Centro or Santa Fe.
Cargo pants have the extra large pocket on the outside of the Pant.

These pockets are secured by buttons or a zipper. Buttons offer more security.
You have 4 Pockets on the front side and 2 on the backside. The bad guys would not know which Pocket is loaded.
You can walk with your hands in the top pockets. Your Cash can be in one of the lower right OR left pocket.

These Pockets are extra wide. Perfect to keep your Passport too.

~BKKguru[/QUOTE]Bogota pickpockets are REALLY good.

If you want to be sure, do as the girls do and put it in your shoe.

I usually pay street girls in Santa Fe 30 mil for the service and hotel. The locals told me that's an ongoing rate. Around cl20, its 26 mil.

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2337937]Decided it enough with casas today and catch uber to santa fe around 8. 30 pm it was not so busy I walk some blocks around see few cute girls next to short time rooms but when I comeback they was gone. Have some food and went to California whiskeria club have one aquilla light for 7 k pesos and left. Many street girls was standing next to el paso club (which seems closed and all the way to California whiskeria. I was planning to go back hotel already when saw cute young girl standing outside she was smiling for me I like her smile with braces. She was 19 years old from venezuela name sarai without kids and nice body. I ask how much she want for 30 minutes she told me 70 k I said to much and offer 50 k she said no 60 k I said 50 again and she agree. She bring me to short time hotel and pay for room 5 k from 50 k I give to her. The room was quiet nice compare with all other rooms I have been at santa fe. The girl was good and make me cum fast I take her whastapp number and facebook and let her go. Catch uber and comeback hotel.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2339339]I usually pay street girls in Santa Fe 30 mil for the service and hotel. The locals told me that's an ongoing rate. Around cl20, its 26 mil.[/QUOTE]Good for you if you can get young stunners between 18-22 years for 30 minutes for 30 k. All girls looking diffrent and can ask diffrent its not a flat price at santa fe you just negotiate what are you happy to pay.

Gentlemen, I'm an older gent with plans to relocate to Colombia after a few administrative matters are completed. I've been to Medellin a few times and I think I can get around there pretty well, including the language.

(Let's just say I'm solid intermediate and working on it). Here is the nature of my question:

I'm usually better at bringing girls to a love hotel or even my place (although I'm usually reluctant to do that on a first cita). In Medellin, you can build a Facebook list of ladies that could keep you busy for years, even if you saw one a day. What is the story with Bogota? My explorations suggest that Twitter is more popular and there are a few key sites and you can slowly build from there. I'm also on the mailing list for Photoprepagos but there doesn't seem to be the same easy on-line coquetry that exists in Medellin.

Of course, I have read about finding gold in the streets of Santa Fe and the large number of "clubs" in the area. Are there any other easier ways to start making connections (I use Tinder already). Just curious and thanks!

V.

How to find the hottest girls.

- It takes a good amount of walking to find the 18 year old spinners.

- Another option is just staying and observing in busy areas; when a hot girl passes by then pounce on the opportunity. It's like fishing for people.

- Once found get her Whatsapp and Facebook.

- Beware of girls that have cold sores on faces or other signs of bad health.

If you look like an easy target you will become a target.

- Walk with purpose.

- Don't flash wealthy items, or brand-named clothing. Blend in.

- Don't look like a gringo, a lost tourist with a camera, and map.

- Don't bring along too much baggage. You want to be mobile.

- Don't bring along big bills. Use small bills.

- Don't disrespect anyone or get too cocky.

- Don't put your money into pocket. Pick-pockets are really good.

- Don't accept food items from strangers.

Danger.

- Don't accept pre-opened bottles of beer. Ask waiter to bring it unopened.

- Don't stop watching your drink.

- Don't let others touch or hug you for fear of pickpocketing.

- Don't give out your debit card to the waitress. Do it yourself.

- Don't wander off the main streets.

Be aware of the situation.

- Criminals like to work in groups.

- Don't rely on cops for protection. Watch out for yourself!

- Don't go out alone at night.

- Don't linger in bad parts of the neighborhood.

Economics.

- There are substantial discounts at 1 AM because girls have no other options.

- Always negotiate the prices. Be willing to state the price you want twice.

- Set the details of the deal clearly before the service is performed.

- Rappi is one option for food.

- Girls will tell you everything that you want to hear to maximize resource extraction.

On Taxis.

- Don't get into street taxis; you can either be scammed or robbed at gunpoint. Use the Apps that allows you to see reviews for riders. Double check on Google Maps to ensure that you're going in the right direction.

Necessary Prep.

- Make copies of important documents (passport, and ID) both online and off.

On Hotels.

- Don't let strangers into room. Call front desk to confirm.

- Taking the girl to your room could get your stuff robbed.

- Not all hotels are girl-friendly. Inquire about guest policies.

- Use a jammer.

- Give the impression that you are in your room. Even if you are not.

- AirBnB near the location is cheapest.

These are the notes that I have compiled after 8.5 hours of research.

[QUOTE=Cbmcpa;2338085] bottom line, I kept sending her $$ . When push came to shove, I said I wanted her body and she pretty much disappeared.[/QUOTE]Dude you don't need any help lick your wound and keep it moving. She will be back with her mouth wide and her legs close. If she wasn't trying to give you any when you first met in person, she does not plan on giving you any. But she does like the money you've been giving her.

Sometimes it's hard for us to cut a loss because we thought we had a good vibe with a chica. We spend time and in your case as many others money. We figure we're setting a foundation. When in actuality we just picked the wrong chica. Either that or she just happened to pick the right gringo.

My friend Catalina a beautiful natural Venezuelan girl is looking for dates, She is advertising in Craigslist Colombia.

[QUOTE=PickupArtist;2339842]How to find the hottest girls.

- These are the notes that I have compiled after 8.5 hours of research.[/QUOTE]Good on you for RTFF.

Some good highlights.

Except:

Taxis are fine.

And.

Waiters won't bring you opened beer and certainly won't try to drug you with a pre opened beer.

The last occurrence of that was in 1986 before you were born so don't worry about it, doesn't happen.

I intend coming for a 6 week stay. I have a choice of flying in and out of Medellin or Bogota. I definitely want to stay in Medellin, would I miss much by not visiting Bogota at all. I'm referring to both chicas and also touristy stuff for a first timer.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2340230]My friend Catalina a beautiful natural Venezuelan girl is looking for dates, She is advertising in Craigslist Colombia.[/QUOTE]Could not find her on CL, Please send a link.

[QUOTE=PickupArtist;2339842]How to find the hottest girls.


- Use a jammer.[/QUOTE]? to block cellphone signal?

There is a lot to see in Bogota.

Spend 5 days or so.

[QUOTE=Gezpen;2341079]I intend coming for a 6 week stay. I have a choice of flying in and out of Medellin or Bogota. I definitely want to stay in Medellin, would I miss much by not visiting Bogota at all. I'm referring to both chicas and also touristy stuff for a first timer.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StrangeFeather;2341180]Could not find her on CL, Please send a link.[/QUOTE]It took me 32 seconds to find her on Craigslist. My phone signal is weak here, it would have been quicker.

Go to Craigslist Colombia. Go to Services. Go to all Services. Enter Catalina in the search box.

[QUOTE=Gezpen;2341079]I intend coming for a 6 week stay. I have a choice of flying in and out of Medellin or Bogota. I definitely want to stay in Medellin, would I miss much by not visiting Bogota at all. I'm referring to both chicas and also touristy stuff for a first timer.[/QUOTE]Gezpen, 6 weeks! Dude you can stay in Medellin for a few weeks then make your way to Bogota for a few weeks then fly down to Cali for a week and then up to Cartagena, you would not only get a taste of the Colombian country and culture but your dick will have more pussy than it has had in the past decade.

Have fun!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=StrangeFeather;2341180]Could not find her on CL, Please send a link.[/QUOTE][URL]https://colombia.craigslist.org/trv/d/female-guide-catalina-for-bogota/6919504104.html?lang=en&cc=us[/URL]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2341253]There is a lot to see in Bogota.

Spend 5 days or so.[/QUOTE]Should be considered one of the Wonders Of World. It's remarkable what these miners created deep in the earth.

There National Museum is beautifully put together, filled with gorgeous artifacts and so user-friendly. I'm going back next week to see the parts I missed.

- If you're coming to Bogota, try to stay at least a week. If you get affected by the altitude, you'll be kinda out of it for the first 2-3 days, so you want at least 4-5 days after that to sightsee. Two weeks is much better even.

-Taxis in Bogota are a bad idea. You're not going to get jacked, but they will almost for sure try and scam you. Use Uber or they also have a local service called Beat.

-The advice to watch you drink is GOOD. The last time someone's drink got spiked wasn't in 1986, it was probably not even 24 hours ago. It happened to one of my friends just a few months back. It's a big problem here but it doesn't have to happen to you. Don't ever walk away from a drink, be careful of anybody on the street with a little piece of paper (they place the powder on the paper and then blow it at your face), and don't let a rando chick motorboat you!

Bango Cheito says. -Taxis in Bogota are a bad idea. You're not going to get jacked, but they will almost for sure try and scam you. Use Uber or they also have a local service called Beat.

Nonsense. Once in three years for me while living there. Just don't look dumb and make sure the meter is running. Not complicated and not dangerous. Relax and enjoy the city. It is a fabulous place.

The second part of my Colombian trip took me to Bogota. I did not go to Santa Fe but stuck around Zona T. Went to the house opposite the Italian restaurant mentioned in the forum (someone please remind me the name) and selected a pumped up paisa ended up paying 200 k for the hour (I know I overpaid, but I wanted to try something different). The place has some shitty massage tables, and made it uncomfortable to have sex, but anyway she pulled out a condom and I declined she obliged and requested not to complete in the pussy, but shit happens, she was fine with it. Anyway, I was more interested in the jiggly ass, and made 2 deposits in an hour + in the pussy. I went to the same place and same girl 3 days in a row, depositing my load in both her ass and pussy.[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] I did not try any outcalls as I think the hotels are not GF, at least the one I was staying at. I'll try Santa Fe on my next trip and also some of the clubs mentioned in the forum, perhaps a wingman could be useful. Anybody around mid Aug?

Overall, it's a great city (albeit a little expensive) , especially the accommodation. Much to see and eat.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2341864]- If you're coming to Bogota, try to stay at least a week. If you get affected by the altitude, you'll be kinda out of it for the first 2-3 days, so you want at least 4-5 days after that to sightsee. Two weeks is much better even.

-Taxis in Bogota are a bad idea. You're not going to get jacked, but they will almost for sure try and scam you. Use Uber or they also have a local service called Beat.

-The advice to watch you drink is GOOD. The last time someone's drink got spiked wasn't in 1986, it was probably not even 24 hours ago. It happened to one of my friends just a few months back. It's a big problem here but it doesn't have to happen to you. Don't ever walk away from a drink, be careful of anybody on the street with a little piece of paper (they place the powder on the paper and then blow it at your face), and don't let a rando chick motorboat you![/QUOTE]Yes despite the fact that The Tall Man exercises regularly, walks and hikes 30 to 40 miles per week, is fit, usually drinks next to nothing and takes it easy when I visit Bogota I need 4 or 5 days so my body can adjust therefore great advice to go for a few weeks or if possible even 3 weeks as once your body adjusts you can really enjoy the rolla's (girls from Bogota).

The Tall Man.

So after being in Bogota last year I finally decided to return this July. What better way to celebrate 4th of July than in Colombia mongering. Sadly my subscription has expired and now they only take cash but it will take 1-2 weeks to activate the account. I'm not the kinda guy that plans to far ahead. So therefore it makes no sense. If the card payment is up again I will def subscribe for this trip.

Anyways: If anyone is down in Bogota for the holidays let me know. I will get a driver and go mongering around. I also speak Spanish so it's not an issue.

At The Tall Man. If you are still in Medellin I will take a trip to go mongering around.

TLDR;.

If any mongers are in Bogota for the 4th hit me up.

Subscription ended. Only cash option and takes 1-2 weeks which I don't have.

[QUOTE=SandyRandy2014;2342069]The second part of my Colombian trip took me to Bogota. I did not go to Santa Fe but stuck around Zona T. Went to the house opposite the Italian restaurant mentioned in the forum (someone please remind me the name) and selected a pumped up paisa ended up paying 200 k for the hour (I know I overpaid, but I wanted to try something different). The place has some shitty massage tables, and made it uncomfortable to have sex, but anyway she pulled out a condom and I declined she obliged and requested not to complete in the pussy, but shit happens, she was fine with it. Anyway, I was more interested in the jiggly ass, and made 2 deposits in an hour + in the pussy. I went to the same place and same girl 3 days in a row, depositing my load in both her ass and pussy.[/QUOTE]You didn't pay extra for bareback? That was my experience in Bogota. Bareback was available in all the brothels for extra. One reason I don't go back. That shit is too tempting and dangerous.

Hi Gents,

I will go to Colombia next month for the very first time. I'm looking a low budget hotel, guestfriendly and close to the action. Where I have to stay, any recommendations for Bogota. Thanks.

[QUOTE=SteveOhh;2342752]Hi Gents,

I will go to Colombia next month for the very first time. I'm looking a low budget hotel, guestfriendly and close to the action. Where I have to stay, any recommendations for Bogota. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Depends on how budget you want. San Francisco is $20 or so near Santa Fe, Santa Fe Suites right in Santa Fe is like $18 with kitchenette.

I guess it has gotten cheaper. I just bought a box of 28/5 MG $56 mil so about $0. 65 per pill.

Works Great just boned a couple of hot streetie sweeties good sessions. The first was a super cute petite white Venezolana, I will hit it again for $26 mil.

So many hoes so little time.

Hi all,

I'll be staying in Chapinero and would like to get a decent hotel, moderately priced, within walking distance (a mile away or less) to Pussy House. The best I've found is the Viaggio. Can anyone make recommendations on hotels in the area from experience? Thanks.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2956-Bogota-Hotels-and-Rental-Apartments[/URL]

I stayed at the Viaggio.

Watch out in the shower.

They do not have mats to keep you from slipping, as I did. They put one in after I asked.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2342950]Hi all,

I'll be staying in Chapinero and would like to get a decent hotel, moderately priced, within walking distance (a mile away or less) to Pussy House. The best I've found is the Viaggio. Can anyone make recommendations on hotels in the area from experience? Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2342804]I guess it has gotten cheaper. I just bought a box of 28/5 MG $56 mil so about $0. 65 per pill.

Works Great just boned a couple of hot streetie sweeties good sessions. The first was a super cute petite white Venezolana, I will hit it again for $26 mil.

So many hoes so little time.[/QUOTE]I'll be able to make plans next week. Geez.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2343045]I'll be able to make plans next week. Geez.[/QUOTE]Pictures of wrong item?

It appears you do not know what Generic means.

Cialis is the "brand" name. Tadalafil is the active ingredient. Pictures show generic Tadalafil tablets.

BKKguru

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2343045]I'll be able to make plans next week. Geez.[/QUOTE]LOL, Yeah, get those next time I smash her. I was just pointing out the great deal on meds here.

I don't like the Cialis though, stays in the system to long for me and gives me heartburn on and off. The Viagra does it's thing and wears off.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2343139]Pictures of wrong item??

It appears you do not know what Generic means.

Cialis is the "brand" name. Tadalafil is the active ingredient. Pictures show generic Tadalafil tablets.

~BKKguru[/QUOTE]You are correct sir, but Tadalafil makes Cyalis Cyalis, so there is that.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2342950]Hi all,

I'll be staying in Chapinero and would like to get a decent hotel, moderately priced, within walking distance (a mile away or less) to Pussy House. The best I've found is the Viaggio. Can anyone make recommendations on hotels in the area from experience? Thanks.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.google.com/travel/hotels/Bogot%C3%A1/entity/CgoI9Pzwmq-b7-BhEAE?g2lb=4208993%2C4223281%2C4252074%2C4253230%2C4253564%2C4254308%2C4258168%2C4260007%2C4265959%2C4270442%2C4274032%2C4274649%2C4276661%2C4276915%2C4276918%2C4282188%2C4250437%2C4251519%2C4256179%2C4265427%2C4270859&hl=en&gl=co&un=1&q=bogota%20hotel%20calle%2055&rp=EJOX94zEhP2YVRD0_PCar5vv4GEQ1_uh5viKsdfqARDz28XS0qXklNkBOAFAAEgC&ictx=1&ved=2ahUKEwjvjfqRo53jAhVCtlkKHbFrA1oQvS4wAXoECAoQKQ&hrf=CgYIoMIeEAAiA0NPUCoWCgcI4w8QBxgUEgcI4w8QBxgVGAEoAFgBqgEWCgIIIRICCBUSAghbEgIILxICCFQYAaoBDwoCCBISAwibARICCGgYAaoBBwoDCKECGACqARoKAggcEgIIURICCFgSAghzEgIIRxICCDYYAaoBDgoCCCUSAgh1EgIIeRgBqgEOCgIIERICCEASAgg4GAGqASQKAgguEgIIPBICCFYSAwiHARICCBoSAgg9EgIIDBIDCIkBGAGqAREKAwipARIDCKsBEgMIqgEYAaoBCgoCCFASAghMGAGSAQIgAQ&tcfs=EhoaGAoKMjAxOS0wNy0yMBIKMjAxOS0wNy0yMVIA[/URL]

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;2341907]Bango Cheito says. -Taxis in Bogota are a bad idea. You're not going to get jacked, but they will almost for sure try and scam you. Use Uber or they also have a local service called Beat.

Nonsense. Once in three years for me while living there. Just don't look dumb and make sure the meter is running. Not complicated and not dangerous. Relax and enjoy the city. It is a fabulous place.[/QUOTE]Man, I GUARANTEE you you've been overpaying, especially if you've been taking taxis at night. My girl just almost had a fight with a taxi driver not even 48 hours ago. I keep telling her to stop using the pissmobiles and she's so damn stubborn!

I agree wholeheartedly this is a fabulous place. I've been living here since 2005. But I'd give the same advice in most cities worldwide. Taxi drivers are ass, and Uber is amazing. Uber really really increased my quality of life here.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2343139]Pictures of wrong item??

It appears you do not know what Generic means.

Cialis is the "brand" name. Tadalafil is the active ingredient. Pictures show generic Tadalafil tablets.

~BKKguru[/QUOTE]Was hoping for photos of the girl not the drug.

What up y'all! Going to be in Santa Fe thus afternoon and tonight. If anyone wants to make the rounds PM me.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2342950]Hi all,

I'll be staying in Chapinero and would like to get a decent hotel, moderately priced, within walking distance (a mile away or less) to Pussy House. The best I've found is the Viaggio. Can anyone make recommendations on hotels in the area from experience? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Grace Hotel Check FaceBook.

Calle 66 and. 6-18.

Bogotá, Colombia 1.

Get Directions.

Highlights info row image.

You probably can get a room in the Love Motel district. There are like 12+ hotels.

Here is one.

[URL]http://www.amartesuite.com[/URL]

Google Love Motel Bogota. Or google maps in Chapinero there are tons.

[QUOTE=SandyRandy2014;2342069]she pulled out a condom and I declined she obliged and requested not to complete in the pussy, but shit happens, she was fine with it. Anyway, I was more interested in the jiggly ass, and made 2 deposits in an hour + in the pussy. I went to the same place and same girl 3 days in a row, depositing my load in both her ass and pussy.[/QUOTE]Dude that must have been freaking phenomenal. I wouldn't have the balls to raw dog a hot Colombian puta but man it is definitely a fantasy. You're my hero.

Hi fellow mongers,

I am visiting Colombia during first week of September and planning to stay in Bogota for four days and Medellin for four days. During my stay in Bogota, I am looking for female company who can stay with me at the hotel room for fun. Any recommendations from seniors?

[QUOTE=LittlePete;2346270]Hi fellow mongers,

I am visiting Colombia during first week of September and planning to stay in Bogota for four days and Medellin for four days. During my stay in Bogota, I am looking for female company who can stay with me at the hotel room for fun. Any recommendations from seniors?[/QUOTE]Check post #7095, She is a nice Venezuelan.

Check Mileroticos, photo prepagos or other online sites if you want the girl to come to your place. Alot of the action is in Casa, massage places in Chapeniero and in Santa Fe (have not been yet).

[QUOTE=LittlePete;2346270]Hi fellow mongers,

I am visiting Colombia during first week of September and planning to stay in Bogota for four days and Medellin for four days. During my stay in Bogota, I am looking for female company who can stay with me at the hotel room for fun. Any recommendations from seniors?[/QUOTE]

Wow where are you going for sex if you think Bogota / Colombia is expensive! I usually get an Airbnb for under $25/ night in Chapinero.

Overall, it's a great city (albeit a little expensive) , especially the accommodation.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2346437]Wow where are you going for sex if you think Bogota / Colombia is expensive! I usually get an Airbnb for under $25/ night in Chapinero.

Overall, it's a great city (albeit a little expensive) , especially the accommodation.[/QUOTE]Actually, if you want to economize in Bogota there are many good restaurants that are not expensive that locals go to ($3-$5 lunches) also coffee places, bars.

If you are in an AirBnB and cook a bit that would really be cheap.

I live here on less than $500 a month, and I eat out a lot (but not pussy, LOL).

Woodman09. You live here on $500 per month? You are my hero. No kidding. I could't do it, I don't think. Even if you already owned your own place I just don't see how it could be done. So much for those who talk about Bogota being expensive. You are the king.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2346721]Actually, if you want to economize in Bogota there are many good restaurants that are not expensive that locals go to ($3-$5 lunches) also coffee places, bars.

If you are in an AirBnB and cook a bit that would really be cheap.

I live here on less than $500 a month, and I eat out a lot (but not pussy, LOL).[/QUOTE][QUOTE=PirateMorgan;2346820]Woodman09. You live here on $500 per month? You are my hero. No kidding. I could't do it, I don't think. Even if you already owned your own place I just don't see how it could be done. So much for those who talk about Bogota being expensive. You are the king.[/QUOTE]I agree, I tip my hat to Woodman as this gives me some hope as next year I will be living in Colombia full time and having already purchased and paid for my apartment in Medellin along with all the furnishing and new car and motorcycle I am budgeting about $1,200 a month in total for my life in Colombia.

The Tall Man.

I live in bay area, California and plan to visit for week plus trip to Colombia. Any suggestions on best time to visit? Anyone else interested in joining me? My dates are flexible and plan to book 1 or 2 months in advance.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;2346820]Woodman09. You live here on $500 per month? You are my hero. No kidding. I could't do it, I don't think. Even if you already owned your own place I just don't see how it could be done. So much for those who talk about Bogota being expensive. You are the king.[/QUOTE]I'm lucky to have a large apartment I rent from the owner for $770 mil. Not in the best neighborhood, but great location. Utilities are $100 more or less.

And I eat out a lot sometimes spending $10 for a meal But usually $3-$7.

Of course my pussy budget is not included here, I usually will spend $25-$40 on a 2 or 3 sessions.

Live Cheap, Get the best pussy, it's fantastic!

[QUOTE=LittlePete;2346270]Hi fellow mongers,

I am visiting Colombia during first week of September and planning to stay in Bogota for four days and Medellin for four days. During my stay in Bogota, I am looking for female company who can stay with me at the hotel room for fun. Any recommendations from seniors?[/QUOTE]Best practice, go to Santa Fe or massage parlors, do quickie session. If all good, negotiate for longer dates. Make sure she has cedula.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2346897] plan to visit for week plus trip to Colombia. Any suggestions on best time to visit? [/QUOTE]Best time is tomorrow. Life is too short to not be in Colombia. There is no bad time to come (but try and avoid Easter and Christmas).

Or if you want to have more money to spend on girls, come as soon as you can get a flight at low-season price.

And to improve your experience, spend time brushing up on your spanish and doing research by RTFF.

[QUOTE=Arcangel;2347511]Best time is tomorrow. Life is too short to not be in Colombia. There is no bad time to come (but try and avoid Easter and Christmas).

Or if you want to have more money to spend on girls, come as soon as you can get a flight at low-season price.

And to improve your experience, spend time brushing up on your spanish and doing research by RTFF.[/QUOTE]Right on brotha!!

Thanks brother. Agreed.

[QUOTE=Arcangel;2347511]Best time is tomorrow. Life is too short to not be in Colombia. There is no bad time to come (but try and avoid Easter and Christmas).

Or if you want to have more money to spend on girls, come as soon as you can get a flight at low-season price.

And to improve your experience, spend time brushing up on your spanish and doing research by RTFF.[/QUOTE]

Any takers?

If I have 10 days, any suggested number of days to distribute between these locations? I am also seeing lot of posts cutcuta. Is it too much to cover 3 places in days?

Ease of access to girls, quality of girl, slim is more important to me than the money.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2346897]I live in bay area, California and plan to visit for week plus trip to Colombia. Any suggestions on best time to visit? Anyone else interested in joining me? My dates are flexible and plan to book 1 or 2 months in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2347696]Any takers?

If I have 10 days, any suggested number of days to distribute between these locations? I am also seeing lot of posts cutcuta. Is it too much to cover 3 places in days?

Ease of access to girls, quality of girl, slim is more important to me than the money.[/QUOTE]If you're simply interested in coming to Colombia for the girls, your 4 options are:

1 and 2. Bogota and Medellin. Which is better is a matter of personal taste.

3. Cartagena. If you want to be near a beach.

4. Cali. If you want to go the road less traveled.

Whether to split 10 days between 2 cities depends on you. Are you one of those who can go 3 times a day for 10 days straight? Or are you a 3-7 times a week guy? If you're the first type, stick to either Bogota or Medellin for the whole time. Why waste most of a day traveling? You won't run out of options in 10 days.

How frequently do you travel? Many people take time to get comfortable in a new place, especially when nobody speaks their language. Many of the guys here have been constantly traveling for years, so it's no problem for them. If it takes you 3 days to get comfortable, why mess up another 3 days?

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2347696]Any takers?

If I have 10 days, any suggested number of days to distribute between these locations? I am also seeing lot of posts cutcuta. Is it too much to cover 3 places in days?

Ease of access to girls, quality of girl, slim is more important to me than the money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2347875]If you're simply interested in coming to Colombia for the girls, your 4 options are:

1 and 2. Bogota and Medellin. Which is better is a matter of personal taste.

3. Cartagena. If you want to be near a beach.

4. Cali. If you want to go the road less traveled.

Whether to split 10 days between 2 cities depends on you. Are you one of those who can go 3 times a day for 10 days straight? Or are you a 3-7 times a week guy? If you're the first type, stick to either Bogota or Medellin for the whole time. Why waste most of a day traveling? You won't run out of options in 10 days.

How frequently do you travel? Many people take time to get comfortable in a new place, especially when nobody speaks their language. Many of the guys here have been constantly traveling for years, so it's no problem for them. If it takes you 3 days to get comfortable, why mess up another 3 days?[/QUOTE]Also keep in mind how your body adjusts to the higher elevations like is the case in Bogota. For me I need 4 or 5 days to rid myself of the constant migraine headache and sleepless night. You know your body best.

And yes just stick to Bogota and Medellin in your allotted time, forget about Cucuta and make that another time when you return.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2346852]I agree, I tip my hat to Woodman as this gives me some hope as next year I will be living in Colombia full time and having already purchased and paid for my apartment in Medellin along with all the furnishing and new car and motorcycle I am budgeting about $1,200 a month in total for my life in Colombia.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Wow. $1200 you can live like a King almost!

I was with a friend at Abudhabi Massage. It was about 1 pm there were 6 girls some stunners, didn't session just was with someone. There are tons of daytime casas too. I passed by some others in Chapinero, touts all over. I was told 18 girls cornrt of Calle 64 and Carracas. I will probly go tom SF later and find some random cutie.

Thanks for the suggestions. I am more like twice a day person and primary goal is mongering and 2nd goal is have decent time. Will stick to one place.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2347875]If you're simply interested in coming to Colombia for the girls, your 4 options are:

1 and 2. Bogota and Medellin. Which is better is a matter of personal taste.

3. Cartagena. If you want to be near a beach.

4. Cali. If you want to go the road less traveled.

Whether to split 10 days between 2 cities depends on you. Are you one of those who can go 3 times a day for 10 days straight? Or are you a 3-7 times a week guy? If you're the first type, stick to either Bogota or Medellin for the whole time. Why waste most of a day traveling? You won't run out of options in 10 days.

How frequently do you travel? Many people take time to get comfortable in a new place, especially when nobody speaks their language. Many of the guys here have been constantly traveling for years, so it's no problem for them. If it takes you 3 days to get comfortable, why mess up another 3 days?[/QUOTE]

Just heard on my WA group that a guy was drugged by a Tinder girl.

1 thing, the girl had no ID.

I will post more as info becomes available.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2348419]Just heard on my WA group that a guy was drugged by a Tinder girl.

1 thing, the girl had no ID.

I will post more as info becomes available.[/QUOTE]Is it from Medellin? Here is something I found on Medellin Expat FB forum:

[QUOTE]
Last Friday night I was drugged and robbed. I wanted to share more details but carefully. So I met a woman on Tinder and we were to go to dinner. She came to meet me at my place first and security did not let her enter as she didnt have her Cédula (ID). We went to dinner and then to a disco on 33. We had the place to ourselves mostly, was quite early. I remember being about to pay but dont remember paying. I remember 1 image of heading toward the open door of a cab which is strange as it was open for me from a distance. Next thing I was left on some street without my new $1000 phone (she had joked earlier that we should trade phones). I had my wallet but no cash - about $400 gone. Also Am Ex card gone. Met 2 police who shrugged at my situation. Dont know how I got home from there. Spent 2 days in a stupor without much balance. The woman had deleted our connection on Tinder and someone went shopping with the card leaving a nice trail. Went to find the bar, found it, took photos and talked to workers who said the boss would call the next day. Next day the boss of the disco calls and I go meet him. He is extra nice to me and im sure he wants to save the rep of his place. This is where things get interesting but I wont say more yet. Am working with police and others now and am going to pursue this all the way thru official channels or otherwise. I know I did stupid things here carrying cash, new phone, not getting an id, tinder, etc. What I want most is my lost photos, videos, audios, data, much of which was not backed up - another mistake. If i can get my data back or phone + data i am willing to let everything else go. I am enjoying the detective work in the mean time. Should anything happen to me by pursuing this, a friend will share the whole story. Am posting here again because people had asked for more info but comments were closed on last post.

[/QUOTE]

Hey everyone. Long time poster, been to cartagena and medellin. This will be my first time in Bogota. I'll only have a couple of free days but I'd like to find a couple of Casas to check out. I read back 5-6 pages and saw reference to a list. Can someone send me?

Any recommendations? I'll be solo so I don't think Santa Fé will be for me. Staying in the Parque 93 area.

[QUOTE=HumanBeing1;2348526]Hey everyone. Long time poster, been to cartagena and medellin. This will be my first time in Bogota. I'll only have a couple of free days but I'd like to find a couple of Casas to check out. I read back 5-6 pages and saw reference to a list. Can someone send me?

Any recommendations? I'll be solo so I don't think Santa F will be for me. Staying in the Parque 93 area.[/QUOTE]Go up one level, and you will see the list in one of the forums.

Woodman09 offers tour of Santa Fe. He is good.

[QUOTE=HumanBeing1;2348526]Hey everyone. Long time poster, been to cartagena and medellin. This will be my first time in Bogota. I'll only have a couple of free days but I'd like to find a couple of Casas to check out. I read back 5-6 pages and saw reference to a list. Can someone send me[/QUOTE]The list is in reports of distinction.

The Maps and Lists are here:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2205-Bogota-Lists[/URL]

[QUOTE=HumanBeing1;2348526]Hey everyone. Long time poster, been to cartagena and medellin. This will be my first time in Bogota. I'll only have a couple of free days but I'd like to find a couple of Casas to check out. I read back 5-6 pages and saw reference to a list. Can someone send me?

Any recommendations? I'll be solo so I don't think Santa F will be for me. Staying in the Parque 93 area.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2348602]

Woodman09 offers tour of Santa Fe. He is good.[/QUOTE]Ditto that. Woodman's advice was invaluable.

Appreciate it guys.

I'll be staying up near 93. I think my time will be a bit limited. If you were to recommend 2-3 day Casas to check out, ideally not too far away, what would those be?

I am reading good things about Abudhabi. Where is that? I didn't see it on the pdf lists on that link and I'm having trouble finding it in Google. Any others?

I'll hit up woodman if I have a chance to go to Santa Fé at night, but with my schedule on this particular trip this may not be possible.

OK. I usually stay at the Hotel Maria Isabel on 33rd and Caracas. I used to bring internet girls with no problems. But some of these Santa Fe girls are dresses like not ready for me to go to my hotel. So I'd rather take them for a test run and if I like them for repeat clean them up and bring them to my place. So tell me. You pick up a Santa Fe street hottie and where do you go? One of the short time? I remember piscina and California have some rooms upstairs but where do you take the street girls for a test run.

All clubs have rooms, All the girls on street have a hotel they use. Usually the 6 mil fee is covered in price of 30-40 mil, many will try to get you to pay that extra if you are a gringo.

I usually never pay unless I fall in love.

Many girls have a bag ready with civilian clothes. Many live in SF and will get it all together for outside date.

[QUOTE=GMoney582;2349186]OK. I usually stay at the Hotel Maria Isabel on 33rd and Caracas. I used to bring internet girls with no problems. But some of these Santa Fe girls are dresses like not ready for me to go to my hotel. So I'd rather take them for a test run and if I like them for repeat clean them up and bring them to my place. So tell me. You pick up a Santa Fe street hottie and where do you go? One of the short time? I remember piscina and California have some rooms upstairs but where do you take the street girls for a test run.[/QUOTE]

Hello all,

I want to plan my first trip to Bogota. I have been reviewing the threads but I haven't been able to track down any post on Encuentrosandrea they have a few ladies I want to have visited during my stay. Can anyone provide me with any updates? Anything will be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2349300]All clubs have rooms, All the girls on street have a hotel they use. Usually the 6 mil fee is covered in price of 30-40 mil, many will try to get you to pay that extra if you are a gringo.

I usually never pay unless I fall in love.

Many girls have a bag ready with civilian clothes. Many live in SF and will get it all together for outside date.[/QUOTE]Wood man you're living the dream bro. Would be interesting to hear about times you've fallen in love.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2349300]
Many girls have a bag ready with civilian clothes. Many live in SF and will get it all together for outside date.[/QUOTE]The clothes weren't as much of an issue for me. I met several Venezuelan girls who only had their Venezuelan Cedula and no passport. As I understand it, no normal hotel will let them in without a passport.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2349716]The clothes weren't as much of an issue for me. I met several Venezuelan girls who only had their Venezuelan Cedula and no passport. As I understand it, no normal hotel will let them in without a passport.[/QUOTE]The Venezuelan girls do not have Passports because:

It takes a LOT of Cash to get "approved" for a Passport.
This Cash is required to bribe multiple officials in Venezuela's Passport Ministry (or whatever is left of the original Ministry).

No Cash means no Passport, so the girls use the land border to exit Venezuela.
Colombia has the longest land border with Venezuela followed by Brazil and Guyana.

A popular entry point into Colombia is via Cucuta which has gained a reputation for being a "value" mongering destination.

~BKKguru

Hey planning to visit Colombia around new years for 2 weeks or so and planned to spend most my time in Bogota. I've taken a mongering trip to Pattaya in Thailand before and had a lot of luck picking up bar girls and never having to pay as long as I kept paying for food, drinks, etc. I'm 30 white speak decent Spanish and I'm in decent shape so I was wondering how easy the pickup game is in Bogota. I have no problem paying for play but after the first few days where I get a feel for a place and flirt with the bartenders I haven't had issues picking up locals. And if so what's a decent gringo bar to meet other mongers? I found this awesome bar in LK metro when I was in Pattaya that was a great little hub for me and some guys to meet up and then go find women at night.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2349716]The clothes weren't as much of an issue for me. I met several Venezuelan girls who only had their Venezuelan Cedula and no passport. As I understand it, no normal hotel will let them in without a passport.[/QUOTE]The only solution would be to go to a love motel in chapinero or there are other locations. No ID required. Or perhaps AirBnB in some cases.

Hello everyone,

I have a couple of quick questions:

1. Is there a street in Santa Fe I can take a cab to and be relatively safe to walk around alone? I look pretty gringo but speak intermediate Spanish.

2. Anyone going to be around this week in Bogota care to explore this area with a wingman?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=MongerLoids;2350082]Hey planning to visit Colombia around new years for 2 weeks or so and planned to spend most my time in Bogota. I've taken a mongering trip to Pattaya in Thailand before and had a lot of luck picking up bar girls and never having to pay as long as I kept paying for food, drinks, etc. I'm 30 white speak decent Spanish and I'm in decent shape so I was wondering how easy the pickup game is in Bogota. I have no problem paying for play but after the first few days where I get a feel for a place and flirt with the bartenders I haven't had issues picking up locals. And if so what's a decent gringo bar to meet other mongers? I found this awesome bar in LK metro when I was in Pattaya that was a great little hub for me and some guys to meet up and then go find women at night.[/QUOTE]A non-pro regular rolla in Bogota who works in a professional setting such as office or mall and you need time and effort and game, 2 weeks is not enough and at best a hit or miss, stay with the P4P.

I have first hand experience and know that a good looking chica in Colombia will get hit on from the moment she leaves her house until she returns, in other words every moment she is out in public. This is what you competing with but you only have 2 weeks. This is not Thailand but if your in a bar and the girls in a bar are for sale so buying them drinks and food and then fucking them is the same as a puta and probably cost more.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Ghostrecon;2350412]Hello everyone,

I have a couple of quick questions:

1. Is there a street in Santa Fe I can take a cab to and be relatively safe to walk around alone? I look pretty gringo but speak intermediate Spanish.

2. Anyone going to be around this week in Bogota care to explore this area with a wingman?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I went to Bogota alone a few months ago, and planning on going again soon. You should be pretty safe in the block immediately around the main clubs, where Paisas, Venus, etc are. Don't go past that, and don't go lower than Piscina's street. You'll have a metric ton of putas to choose from in terms of street girls, and the clubs have girls in them as well. There are more street girls immediately west, a few streets down, but I didn't feel as safe as there were more locals walking around and the area had more little restaurants, so there were just more people "hanging out" than the club area. I felt uneasy there, and didn't walk through them without a friend with me.

As for a cab in SF, there are cabs that park in front of Paisas (taxis con confianza), those are more trustworthy cabs. You may pay a little more, as they charged me anywhere as much as 3,000 - 8,000 more pesos than a regular cab, but in terms of getting into a safe cab at 2 am In the morning. There's nothing better, no worries about getting robbed and such.

My first few days there were pretty nerve-wracking, but I got the hang of it in the last two or three days, and I'm super ready to go back now. Probably the best week I'd spent in a long time.

Probably you will score a few girls. It will be more costly than dealing with pros. Anyway its not an big amount. There are a few Irish pubs and beer joints.

[QUOTE=MongerLoids;2350082]Hey planning to visit Colombia around new years for 2 weeks or so and planned to spend most my time in Bogota. I've taken a mongering trip to Pattaya in Thailand before and had a lot of luck picking up bar girls and never having to pay as long as I kept paying for food, drinks, etc. I'm 30 white speak decent Spanish and I'm in decent shape so I was wondering how easy the pickup game is in Bogota. I have no problem paying for play but after the first few days where I get a feel for a place and flirt with the bartenders I haven't had issues picking up locals. And if so what's a decent gringo bar to meet other mongers? I found this awesome bar in LK metro when I was in Pattaya that was a great little hub for me and some guys to meet up and then go find women at night.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2350451]A non-pro regular rolla in Bogota who works in a professional setting such as office or mall and you need time and effort and game, 2 weeks is not enough and at best a hit or miss, stay with the P4P.[/QUOTE]That is why for the last 14 years I have been meeting them online before I go. If you speak Spanish then you probably do not need P4P at all. Between the chicks that I meet online and the chicks that I meet on the fly, it is hard for me to find time for P4P in Colombia. Even the very first chick I met in Colombia was a lawyer from Cucuta. She did not speak English and I did not speak Spanish. But she took the bus 14 hours to Bogota to meet me. I haven't looked back.

For me, lining them up over the years has worked wonders, and in Colombia P4P is a backup that I don't even need. Shit, I don't even have time for all the nonpros. I get to Cali Thursday and have 3 days to see 4 nonpros. Then I will go to Bogota Sunday and have 2 days to see 5 nonpros. And alot of these chicks want to spend the night. Definitely will not fit everyone in.

[QUOTE=Md955;2350539]

As for a cab in SF, there are cabs that park in front of Paisas (taxis con confianza), those are more trustworthy cabs. You may pay a little more, as they charged me anywhere as much as 3,000 - 8,000 more pesos than a regular cab, but in terms of getting into a safe cab at 2 am In the morning. There's nothing better, no worries about getting robbed and such.
[/QUOTE]I actually go out of my way to avoid cabs waiting in front of places. Its easier to set you up. I'd rather trust a random taxi passing by or just use uber or grab. Or whatever is hot right now.

[QUOTE=Md955;2350539]I went to Bogota alone a few months ago, and planning on going again soon. You should be pretty safe in the block immediately around the main clubs, where Paisas, Venus, etc are. Don't go past that, and don't go lower than Piscina's street. You'll have a metric ton of putas to choose from in terms of street girls, and the clubs have girls in them as well. There are more street girls immediately west, a few streets down, but I didn't feel as safe as there were more locals walking around and the area had more little restaurants, so there were just more people "hanging out" than the club area. I felt uneasy there, and didn't walk through them without a friend with me.

As for a cab in SF, there are cabs that park in front of Paisas (taxis con confianza), those are more trustworthy cabs. You may pay a little more, as they charged me anywhere as much as 3,000 - 8,000 more pesos than a regular cab, but in terms of getting into a safe cab at 2 am In the morning. There's nothing better, no worries about getting robbed and such..[/QUOTE]Much appreciated Md955. This sounds a bit like the Majorista in Medellin.

[QUOTE=MongerLoids;2350082]Hey planning to visit Colombia around new years for 2 weeks or so and planned to spend most my time in Bogota. I've taken a mongering trip to Pattaya in Thailand before and had a lot of luck picking up bar girls and never having to pay as long as I kept paying for food, drinks, etc. I'm 30 white speak decent Spanish and I'm in decent shape so I was wondering how easy the pickup game is in Bogota. I have no problem paying for play but after the first few days where I get a feel for a place and flirt with the bartenders I haven't had issues picking up locals. And if so what's a decent gringo bar to meet other mongers? I found this awesome bar in LK metro when I was in Pattaya that was a great little hub for me and some guys to meet up and then go find women at night.[/QUOTE]Remember one thing: girls love money, especially if they live between the tropic lines. That's right across the board from SA, Africa, and SEA. This comes from experience. It doesn't matter if you're paying for drinks, food, or sex. The bottom line is that you're still paying. Even if you're not wealthy, in their eyes, a white face automatically means you're better off than they are, and these girls will put on the game face. Sometimes you'll meet a girl that's outside the mold, but it's uncommon. And, if you look European (tall, thin, really white), don't try and hide it. Keep it simple, just talk to them. You already speak the language, and that's a huge plus. I know many guys like to set up online, but I stick to cold approaches. I've had luck wherever I've gone by being direct. Don't beat around the Bush, and you'll be surprised how they respond.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2350603]That is why for the last 14 years I have been meeting them online before I go. If you speak Spanish then you probably do not need P4P at all. Between the chicks that I meet online and the chicks that I meet on the fly, it is hard for me to find time for P4P in Colombia. [/QUOTE]What's your strategy for meeting online?

I went down to Zona T for dinner then ventured out to a couple of places, Pussy House then Santa Fe.

Pussy House: I was able to walk from Zona T (around calle 82) down to the Pussy House down the Avenida Caracas (con Calle 61). It was about 9 pm and felt relatively safe. There were loads all college kids around and it's a relatively short walk. Still have to keep your wits about you and act like you own the place. A hoody definitely helps if you're a gringo. Anyway, the place had about 9-10 girls and none were stunners. Most were about 6's and 7's. Maybe there was an 8 or two. Filled with guys, crappy service, and not didn't get a lot of attention from the fairly plain talent. I had a couple of beers then went to Santa Fe alone. Maybe it was an off night but I will not be going back to the Pussy-less House.

I found a taxi outside who was recommended by the doormen at the Pussy House. They said it was not a good idea to walk around alone anywhere in Santa Fe and suggested to take a taxi straight to a club. The taxi was a little over-priced at 12 mil but eh, no biggie, the guy was cool. The bar he dropped me off at was Atone (maybe I have the name wrong).

Atone: Filled with about 20-30 girls, many and mostly 9's, 8's and 7's. I got lucky and probably the most attractive girl ended up talking to me. She was really sweet and didn't push me to buy her a drink or anything. She had some sips of my beers though. After a couple more drinks I asked her price for 40 min plus room. She asked 120 mil and I new it was high but she was really sweet and super hot spinner with a beautiful body, face, and long curly hair. She was a solid 9 and in the sack as well. It was an extra 10 mil for BBBJ. I know I over-paid but fuck was it worth it. I want to personally thank Nicolas Maduro for helping me to meet this beautiful thing.

Got a taxi back to the hotel which was way up in north part of Bogota for 30 mil. Great night, bad hangover! =).

[QUOTE=Ghostrecon;2351238]................Atone: Filled with about 20-30 girls, many and mostly 9's, 8's and 7's. I got lucky and probably the most attractive girl ended up talking to me. She was really sweet and didn't push me to buy her a drink or anything. She had some sips of my beers though. After a couple more drinks I asked her price for 40 min plus room. She asked 120 mil and I new it was high but she was really sweet and super hot spinner with a beautiful body, face, and long curly hair. She was a solid 9 and in the sack as well. It was an extra 10 mil for BBBJ. I know I over-paid but fuck was it worth it.............[/QUOTE]Sounds like money well spent to me.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2350854]Remember one thing: girls love money, especially if they live between the tropic lines. That's right across the board from SA, Africa, and SEA. This comes from experience. It doesn't matter if you're paying for drinks, food, or sex. The bottom line is that you're still paying. Even if you're not wealthy, in their eyes, a white face automatically means you're better off than they are, and these girls will put on the game face. [/QUOTE]I really hate when this is said. EVERYONE loves money, not just girls that live between the tropic lines. If I go up to my dad and hand him $100 he is going to say thanks son. He is not going to say no I do not want money.

I have a black face, so what does that automatically mean?

I am in Cali right now and my girl just left for a meeting at work. I asked her if she needed money to get there and get back. She said no; it is only a 10 minute walk.

The bottom line is that everyone is not out for money and it is easy to tell when they are. Hell, for one, you can just ask! Case in point when I was in the Dominican Republic the other day and some chick hit me up on whatsapp. She said she met me from Cupid, but I talk to so many chicks I did not remember. I asked her what she was looking for. She said a stable relationship. I said many Dominicans say that when they are looking for money. She said that she was Venezuelan, not Dominican. I said shit, them too! I asked, so you do not want money? She went on about how she has needs and did not have a job and has a daughter and was in school and needed someone to support her. Eventually $600 came out. Easy case.

Those are not the type of women that I seek on dating sites. If I want to pay someone then I know exactly the spots to go to. And in many cases I will tell women that. I will tell a nonpro as well as a pro that comes with an outrageous figure, Hey, if I want to fuck someone I can easily go to (a known local hooker spot) and pay this much money (low price) with no problem. That usually shuts them up. An overpriced hooker will always try to save face and justify their price by saying the chicks in that place are dirty and have diseases though. Yeah okay.

[QUOTE=GMoney582;2350996]What's your strategy for meeting online?[/QUOTE]I don't have any strategy. I just talk to people as I normally would.

I guess you could say that I click the like and if they click the like back then I start talking to them. But that is not always the case. Sometimes they click the like first or sometimes they start talking first, or sometimes I send them a message instead of clicking the like. No strategy, just everyday living.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2351495]I really hate when this is said. EVERYONE loves money, not just girls that live between the tropic lines. If I go up to my dad and hand him $100 he is going to say thanks son. He is not going to say no I do not want money.

I have a black face, so what does that automatically mean?

I am in Cali right now and my girl just left for a meeting at work. I asked her if she needed money to get there and get back. She said no; it is only a 10 minute walk.

The bottom line is that everyone is not out for money and it is easy to tell when they are. Hell, for one, you can just ask! Case in point when I was in the Dominican Republic the other day and some chick hit me up on whatsapp. She said she met me from Cupid, but I talk to so many chicks I did not remember. I asked her what she was looking for. She said a stable relationship. I said many Dominicans say that when they are looking for money. She said that she was Venezuelan, not Dominican. I said shit, them too! I asked, so you do not want money? She went on about how she has needs and did not have a job and has a daughter and was in school and needed someone to support her. Eventually $600 came out. Easy case.

Those are not the type of women that I seek on dating sites. If I want to pay someone then I know exactly the spots to go to. And in many cases I will tell women that. I will tell a nonpro as well as a pro that comes with an outrageous figure, Hey, if I want to fuck someone I can easily go to (a known local hooker spot) and pay this much money (low price) with no problem. That usually shuts them up. An overpriced hooker will always try to save face and justify their price by saying the chicks in that place are dirty and have diseases though. Yeah okay.[/QUOTE]Nothing but love for all the info you bring to the forum. Hell, your posts have helped me out. That said, I still believe it's a demographic thing. What's the majority of folks that live outside the tropic lines: Americans / Canadians, Europeans, and Australians. These folks are predominately white and travel much more than folks from the tropics. Over time, locals from tropic countries begin to associate that with money. These travelers become magnets for local money seekers. I've seen it in all my travels. That's why, if I'm not going to the casas, then I only do cold approaches. That way I can see through the bullshit face to face (if it's there). Online works for you, and why change it if it works? It's just a different style.

I agree with you that everyone loves money, I just think the girls throughout these regions get desperate for it. However, it sounds like you found a good one. And, if you're handing out 100's, I'll take one. Sometimes you find a good one. When I was in Kenya earlier this year, I had my pick. Ended up with a slim and stacked beauty that was so great, I didn't even bother looking for more. She was very genuine, and I never gave her a dime (or should I say shilling). Same thing happened with a girl I met up in Santa Marta. But, you have agree, that's not the norm.

I definitely hear you on those sob stories these girls can give. I've had my share tell me they're not pros, but it'd be nice to have money to pay her phone bill, or she just needs some taxi and dinner money. Ha, makes me laugh, man. What a game it is that we play. But, hey, it's a fun one.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2350854]Remember one thing: girls love money, especially if they live between the tropic lines. That's right across the board from SA, Africa, and SEA.[/QUOTE]I can agree to disagree with this statement and also agree with Mr. E. I was in Bogota from May 30 until June 14. I also traveled to Medellin for 3 days to see a few of my Friends in Centro. Back to the saying that Girls love Money. I was in Santa Fe everyday, and I finally banged a girl that I actually like banging. But like Mr E. Says, all girls are different. This particular girl that I really liked to bang, I could not get her to come back to my room at first. Get this, I banged her in Santa Fe in one of the short time rooms for 20 mil each time ad 5 mil for the room. She had some really good sex, but no mater how much I offered her, she would not leave the area and go back to my room with me. I banged her in Santa Fe like 6 times before she would come back to my room. It was quite funny because, I would go to Santa Fe and stand around and all of the other girls would ask me for a date and I would just say, no, I'm OK, I'm waiting for someone, and in 2-3 minutes the girl would pop up. So here was an instance in which no matter how much I offered the girl, she wouldn't leave the area. Eventually, I started giving her $60,000 mil for coming to see me in my room and spending like 1. 5 hours in my room as I stayed at hotel San Francisco de Asis Bogota, which is actually about 4-5 minutes walk from my hotel to Santa Fe, the taxi ride was always, 3. 5 mil but I gave the guy 5 mil each trip. This kind of behavior, baffled me, but I guess it took the girl getting use to me and feeling comfortable enough around me to go back to my room with me. Like wise I had to get over my fear of having sex in the short time rooms right there in Santa Fe in order to get the girl I wanted to come back to my room with me. I would have easily given this girl a 100,000 pesos for each session, but like Mr E. Has said many times. Allow them to give you a rate and then you counter or agree. Pollo Negro is out!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2351495]I really hate when this is said. EVERYONE loves money, not just girls that live between the tropic lines. If I go up to my dad and hand him $100 he is going to say thanks son. He is not going to say no I do not want money.

I have a black face, so what does that automatically mean?

I am in Cali right now and my girl just left for a meeting at work. I asked her if she needed money to get there and get back. She said no; it is only a 10 minute walk.

The bottom line is that everyone is not out for money and it is easy to tell when they are. Hell, for one, you can just ask! Case in point when I was in the Dominican Republic the other day and some chick hit me up on whatsapp. She said she met me from Cupid, but I talk to so many chicks I did not remember. I asked her what she was looking for. She said a stable relationship. I said many Dominicans say that when they are looking for money. She said that she was Venezuelan, not Dominican. I said shit, them too! I asked, so you do not want money? She went on about how she has needs and did not have a job and has a daughter and was in school and needed someone to support her. Eventually $600 came out. Easy case..[/QUOTE]My 2 cents is most are but some are not especially if they fall for you and have hopes for something more serious that P4P. I have this 19 yo costena (Cartagena) favorite of mine here in Medellin who is a semi-pro yet after about 7 months of seeing her and traveling with her from Medellin to many cities and places in Colombia for weeks at a time she has NEVER ask for money, why? Because she is hoping for a serious relationship. I don't know where this will end but I am enjoying the attention and phenomenal sex while it lasts.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2351504]I don't have any strategy. I just talk to people as I normally would.

I guess you could say that I click the like and if they click the like back then I start talking to them. But that is not always the case. Sometimes they click the like first or sometimes they start talking first, or sometimes I send them a message instead of clicking the like. No strategy, just everyday living.[/QUOTE]I'm getting hits from tinder and LC. I have so many contacts right now it's crazy. We will see how it all plays out. But I might not need Santa Fe anymore. Just as a back up. I am getting hits from Age 20 - 32. Might hit my first 30 plus. That's a "old foot" to me.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2351909]I have this 19 yo costena (Cartagena) favorite of mine here in Medellin who is a semi-pro yet after about 7 months of seeing her and traveling with her from Medellin to many cities and places in Colombia for weeks at a time she has NEVER ask for money, why? Because she is hoping for a serious relationship. I don't know where this will end but I am enjoying the attention and phenomenal sex while it lasts.[/QUOTE]If you have been together that much it sounds like you already have a serious relationship. People come and people go. Just enjoy them while they are in your life.

[QUOTE=Ghostrecon;2351238]I went down to Zona T for dinner then ventured out to a couple of places, Pussy House then Santa Fe.

Pussy House: I was able to walk from Zona T (around calle 82) down to the Pussy House down the Avenida Caracas (con Calle 61). It was about 9 pm and felt relatively safe. There were loads all college kids around and it's a relatively short walk. Still have to keep your wits about you and act like you own the place. A hoody definitely helps if you're a gringo. Anyway, the place had about 9-10 girls and none were stunners. Most were about 6's and 7's. Maybe there was an 8 or two. Filled with guys, crappy service, and not didn't get a lot of attention from the fairly plain talent. I had a couple of beers then went to Santa Fe alone. Maybe it was an off night but I will not be going back to the Pussy-less House.

I found a taxi outside who was recommended by the doormen at the Pussy House. They said it was not a good idea to walk around alone anywhere in Santa Fe and suggested to take a taxi straight to a club. The taxi was a little over-priced at 12 mil but eh, no biggie, the guy was cool. The bar he dropped me off at was Atone (maybe I have the name wrong).

Atone: Filled with about 20-30 girls, many and mostly 9's, 8's and 7's. I got lucky and probably the most attractive girl ended up talking to me. She was really sweet and didn't push me to buy her a drink or anything. She had some sips of my beers though. After a couple more drinks I asked her price for 40 min plus room. She asked 120 mil and I new it was high but she was really sweet and super hot spinner with a beautiful body, face, and long curly hair. She was a solid 9 and in the sack as well. It was an extra 10 mil for BBBJ. I know I over-paid but fuck was it worth it. I want to personally thank Nicolas Maduro for helping me to meet this beautiful thing.

Got a taxi back to the hotel which was way up in north part of Bogota for 30 mil. Great night, bad hangover! =).[/QUOTE]Try going back to Pussy House on a weekend. You'll see double the girls, and better quality. Plus, you don't have to accept the first offer. Negotiate with these girls.

Hi guys,

I'm relatively new to mongering in Colombia but am Enjoying it very much. Was out on the town last night ended up spending half an hour with a girl from a bar in Chapinero. Don't remember the name of the bar as I went to quiet a few. Anyway as it was a Monday night the talent wasn't great. If anyone is in town and up for a beer tonight PM me. I think it would be a lot more fun with a wing man.

Cheers,

Pac.

1. Does anybody know of one? By girl friendly, I mean nobody stops and asks for ID at the entrance. I plan to bring Venezuelan girls back for toda la noche and don't want their lack of passport to be a problem. I also don't want mosey owners questioning why I have so many female guests in my room.

2. Assuming nobody knows of one, are there any specific terms I should look for in an Airbnb ad to know if a place is girl friendly?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2351504]I don't have any strategy. I just talk to people as I normally would.

I guess you could say that I click the like and if they click the like back then I start talking to them. But that is not always the case. Sometimes they click the like first or sometimes they start talking first, or sometimes I send them a message instead of clicking the like. No strategy, just everyday living.[/QUOTE]Bro,

Where are you meeting them? Tinder? Facebook? Clicking the like where?

Just trying to get a summary of Bogota. Please correct.

Top 3 areas to stay from safest to less.

1. Zona T.

2. Chapinero.

3. Santa Fe.

Hotels / airbnb in those areas recommended.

1. Zona T - ?

2. Chapinero - ?

3. Santa Fe - ?

Top massage parlors in those areas.

1. Zona T - ?

2. Chapinero - ?

3. Santa Fe - ?

Top clubs or good bars to meet chicas.

1. Zona T - ?

2. Chapinero - ?

3. Santa Fe - ?

Thanks for any input.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2353125]1. Does anybody know of one? By girl friendly, I mean nobody stops and asks for ID at the entrance. I plan to bring Venezuelan girls back for toda la noche and don't want their lack of passport to be a problem. I also don't want mosey owners questioning why I have so many female guests in my room.

2. Assuming nobody knows of one, are there any specific terms I should look for in an Airbnb ad to know if a place is girl friendly?[/QUOTE]You can always pay for a double if you're that worried, and say it's your "girlfriend". Or, just find a small, less well-known hotel to bring the girls to. Usually those are the ones you find just by walking around. These owners are just looking to make a living, and that's in your favor. I remember a little place I came across up north called Luna Azul and asked if I could bring girls back. The lady shrugged her shoulders and said, "It's your room".

If you book the hotel for 2 guests and you speak decent Spanish, you should have no problem bringing back girls unless your girls is dressed like she is a working girl. You must be able to pull off that you speak Spanish enough to give a viable threat like, if you charge me for my guest, I will pay today and I will move tomorrow. No one wants to lose an entire week worth of pay because you can't bring a girl back. Once I told the hotel this in Medellin and Bogota, I have had no problems bringing friends back to my room. Its just as simple as that, no one wants to lose guaranteed money, trust me on that. Pollonegro is out!

[QUOTE=PaccMann;2352952]Hi guys,

I'm relatively new to mongering in Colombia but am Enjoying it very much. Was out on the town last night ended up spending half an hour with a girl from a bar in Chapinero. Don't remember the name of the bar as I went to quiet a few. Anyway as it was a Monday night the talent wasn't great. If anyone is in town and up for a beer tonight PM me. I think it would be a lot more fun with a wing man.

Cheers,

Pac.[/QUOTE]I was in Santa Fe last night, Even though slow with less about 50% +/- girls there. It was Fantastic, Streets were OK. The Stripclubs had some Beautiful girls just sitting around. The guy I was with scored great with an 18 yo super cute hot enthusiastic spinner. She did a lapdance and was letting us touch her pussy while she shoved a lollipop inside. My friend sessioned with her for 60 mil.

Venus, Atonis had more girls than guys. Walked through Paisa and Fiebre, hottness there too!

Can anyone fill me in on where hotel normandia might be? Didn't show up on google maps anywhere near santa fe.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2324210]What I do is to take many test drives in Santa Fe. From the Western viewpoint, incredibly cheap. US dollar just hit 3312. Wow!

I ask for BBBJ. In the room, I check how good she is. Make sure she doesn't refuse BBBJ. Many times they refuse or will ask for more money in the room.

Then you can go to a cleaner hotel such as Hotel Normandia. Last year, it was 30 K for the entire night, plus 10 K for each additional girl. Hotel clerk emphasized 18+ girls only.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2353436]Can anyone fill me in on where hotel normandia might be? Didn't show up on google maps anywhere near santa fe.[/QUOTE]Hotel Normandie in Santa Fe is on Carera 15 between Calle 22 and Calle 23. There's a hotel Alcala on 22nd between carera 15 and Carera 16.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/place/Santa[/URL]+Fe,+Bogot%C3%A1,+Bogota / at 4. 6113322,-74.0757995,3 a,75 y,8.78 h,88.74 t / data=!3 m6!1 e1!3 m4!1 sWsdVRygtmkn5 g6 FwNc4 xnQ!2 e0!7 i13312!8 i6656!4 m5!3 m4!1 s0 x8 e3 f9 a24 f5244 f69:0 xc863309 eb6922 ea1!8 m2!3 d4. 6121433!4 d-74.0708166.

[QUOTE=GMoney582;2353137]Bro,

Where are you meeting them? Tinder? Facebook? Clicking the like where?[/QUOTE]LatinAmericanCupid.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2353344]I was in Santa Fe last night, Even though slow with less about 50% +/- girls there. It was Fantastic, Streets were OK. The Stripclubs had some Beautiful girls just sitting around. The guy I was with scored great with an 18 yo super cute hot enthusiastic spinner. She did a lapdance and was letting us touch her pussy while she shoved a lollipop inside. My friend sessioned with her for 60 mil.

Venus, Atonis had more girls than guys. Walked through Paisa and Fiebre, hottness there too![/QUOTE]There you go again woodman, teasing us guys, hehehe just kidding as I can't wait to return to Bogota / Santa Fe, so keep the chicas warm for me.

The Tall Man.

Hello guys,

I want to thank you for accepting me in this community. To be my first post I have to tell you that I have been living in Bogota for more than a year and throughout this time I have been fortunate to have worked in several clubs in the so-called tolerance zone, where I had the pleasure of meeting a gringo or rather to El Gringo, because this character turned out to know more Bogota than I knew her, has shown me parts of the city that I didn't even remotely know existed. We have visited the so-called day houses, where you will find girls of all colors and sizes, I have known good restaurants, I have been to places like good casinos. With all this I want to tell you that life in Bogota is not limited only to the tolerance zone, in the whole city we can find all kinds of fun, and because of the fact that I speak English and Spanish I have the ability to be able to translate back and forth, My experience in these last days has been the best one to commit to this community and post every day everything I can find in reference to what is required in this medium, if you need more information regarding all these topics I will be pleased to help. The amount of information shared here is unbelievable keep it up, guys!

JohnyV.

Sante fe is basically 3 streets: Carrera 15 to 16 a with Calle 22 to 19.

Chicas all over waiting by the street. Once you agree she will take you to the closest room. Price she quotes include the room.

Make sure to have the exact change, once a girl pretended the room wasn't included to get more (but only once in 3 weeks, not bad).

At first I was on the edge about about safety but after few days realized it's quite safe within those streets. Always lots of people around.

The only trouble you could have is in the quiet streets to get there.

But honestly, after 3 weeks going there almost daily, never had any issue, day time as late night, on my own and waking from another neighborhood.

You will regularly see cops.

Price is from 26 k to 50 k for street girls.

I found out action is better day time, less guys and safer.

By 10 pm most will leave.

I haven't tried clubs as I got everything I wanted with street girls.

I've had something like 20 chicas, rather impressed by the quality and most of them friendly, open for a small chat and OK with different positions.

Quite different from what I'm used to in south east Asia.

I've tried different red light areas in Bogota but I don't find any advantage going somewhere else. You get everything there, at a low price.

I've been off of ISG for a while but now I am back! Booked my ticket for Bogata and am now researching what hotel I want to stay at and other non monger activities (I want to take a flight to a beach-preferably a Pacific one). Crazy to go to Colombia and not see the ocean.

I'm hoping to wife up when I go to visit a beach. So I think trying to make an online connection when I get there is best. Although I like street girls I don't think I will wife up with one. With that said is Latin American Cupid the #1 way you guys are making an online connection before getting there? I don't have FB but I will create one for this trip if necessary.

Showdown.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2354405]I'm hoping to wife up when I go to visit a beach. So I think trying to make an online connection when I get there is best. Although I like street girls I don't think I will wife up with one.[/QUOTE]You need to be more specific. Are you trying to wife up with a normal chick or with a chick you have to pay? If it is with a normal chick then it is best to make an online connection [b]before[/b] you get there.

Normal Colombian (and Venezuelan because there are plenty of those there as well) women have jobs and they can not just up and leave when you say let's go to the beach tomorrow. If it is with a hooker, then the hooker would probably need to be Venezuelan. Most Colombian hookers have to go home and can not stay with you an extended period like that. The Venezuelan hookers are refugees and unfortunately do not really have anyone or a real home to go to.

What's up! Last night was a very strange night to be a Friday night and apart from everything it was payday, it was smooth, the streets of Santa Fe were almost alone, even so you can not take away the fun that all this entails, The Gringo went to bed with the best one of the best girls in Santa Fe, beautiful and hot Barbie style, but in the street and in the clubs you could find many beautiful women like her.

By the way I do not understand what Ctec69 means, without offending, but he is a bit wrong, not leaving Santa Fe is missing 90% of the fun in Bogota, because if you go to the north of the city you will find the houses by day, they are as good as Santa Fe and of a lot of variety and are not expensive.

JohnyV.

[QUOTE=Ctec69;2354209]Sante fe is basically 3 streets: Carrera 15 to 16 a with Calle 22 to 19.

Chicas all over waiting by the street. Once you agree she will take you to the closest room. Price she quotes include the room.

Make sure to have the exact change, once a girl pretended the room wasn't included to get more (but only once in 3 weeks, not bad).

At first I was on the edge about about safety but after few days realized it's quite safe within those streets. Always lots of people around.

The only trouble you could have is in the quiet streets to get there.

But honestly, after 3 weeks going there almost daily, never had any issue, day time as late night, on my own and waking from another neighborhood.

You will regularly see cops.[/QUOTE]I have been saying the same thing for years, super hot girls just waiting for you on the sidewalk. Best streety sweeties in the world today!!

But the clubs are a whole other great thing to do. To watch 5-10 gorgeous naked girls doing hardcore lapdances at once is something to experience at least once in your life.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2354422]You need to be more specific. Are you trying to wife up with a normal chick or with a chick you have to pay? If it is with a normal chick then it is best to make an online connection [b]before[/b] you get there.

Normal Colombian (and Venezuelan because there are plenty of those there as well) women have jobs and they can not just up and leave when you say let's go to the beach tomorrow. If it is with a hooker, then the hooker would probably need to be Venezuelan. Most Colombian hookers have to go home and can not stay with you an extended period like that. The Venezuelan hookers are refugees and unfortunately do not really have anyone or a real home to go to.[/QUOTE]Well my trip is two prong. First I like meeting a normal girl to have around when I go there. Maybe a few of them. One I can maybe go to dinner with etc and have her back in my room. I also plan to get to the coast somehow and it would be nice to have some arm candy with me. I've not heard of anyone taking Sante Fe girls back to their room and I don't want to wife up with them. I guess its different than the DR where you can meet a street girl and wife up with her.

Then I would like to bang all that I can with the street girls in Santa Fe and the one massage parlor everyone keeps mentioning. I am still RTFF so I am still figuring out how to have the Santa Fe experience and a nice massage parlor / FKK experience.

So back to wifing up-is Colombia Cupid the best?

Showdown.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2354751]First I like meeting a normal girl to have around when I go there. Maybe a few of them. One I can maybe go to dinner with etc and have her back in my room. I also plan to get to the coast somehow and it would be nice to have some arm candy with me. So back to wifing up-is Colombia Cupid the best?[/QUOTE]I would say it is. But having someone back in your room is not guaranteed. And remember that normal chicks have jobs, so if you plan on doing any wifing up then it will more than likely be only on the weekend and/or for a couple hours after they get off work. If you plan on someone flying with you to the coast then tickets are highest on the weekends and holidays. You can always meet someone that lives on the coast though. I hope your Spanish is good. I can count on one hand the number of normal chicks that I have met over the last 14 years that spoke English. Two out of over 100 if I recall correctly.

It does not take much figuring out for Santa Fe. You just walk up to the chicks and ask how much.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2354775]I would say it is. But having someone back in your room is not guaranteed. And remember that normal chicks have jobs, so if you plan on doing any wifing up then it will more than likely be only on the weekend and/or for a couple hours after they get off work. If you plan on someone flying with you to the coast then tickets are highest on the weekends and holidays. You can always meet someone that lives on the coast though. I hope your Spanish is good. I can count on one hand the number of normal chicks that I have met over the last 14 years that spoke English. Two out of over 100 if I recall correctly.

It does not take much figuring out for Santa Fe. You just walk up to the chicks and ask how much.[/QUOTE]I haven't checked in awhile, but I believe flights to the Pacific coast, Nuqui and Bahia Solano only go 3 or 4 times weekly. I believe they also go through Medellin. Hopefully he does more research and doesn't end up flying to MDE instead of EOH.

There's 2 reasonable hotels in Bahia Solano, options are limited in Nuqui.

Both places are supposed to be beautiful, especially for the nature lovers. Not much of a destination for the all-inclusive, let's go shopping crowd. I'm not sure how excited a chick from Bogota is going to be about the trip. Cartagena, San Andres, even Barranquilla and Santa Marta they'll be fine with. I'm not sure most of them even know where the places are.

I have been to Medellin many times since 2015. I want to see Bogota now. I really do want to meet up with the infamous mr Woodman. The rentals I use in Medellin are perfect for me because asks me questions. I was hoping they had rentals like that in Bogota.

Many gringos get sick when they visit pacific cities due to new virus, bacteria, etc.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2354751]Well my trip is two prong. First I like meeting a normal girl to have around when I go there. Maybe a few of them. One I can maybe go to dinner with etc and have her back in my room. I also plan to get to the coast somehow and it would be nice to have some arm candy with me. I've not heard of anyone taking Sante Fe girls back to their room and I don't want to wife up with them. I guess its different than the DR where you can meet a street girl and wife up with her.

Then I would like to bang all that I can with the street girls in Santa Fe and the one massage parlor everyone keeps mentioning. I am still RTFF so I am still figuring out how to have the Santa Fe experience and a nice massage parlor / FKK experience.

So back to wifing up-is Colombia Cupid the best?

Showdown.[/QUOTE]

Hello friends!

My report today of how everything was here around Santa Fe, I must be very honest that something strange happened this weekend, it is incredible the loneliness that was in the neighborhood, even that it was payday this weekend. In the clubs you could see that there was movement but in the streets, loneliness was seen, even though Santa Fe never ceases to be an attraction, beautiful girls, good places to have fun and much more, it was a slow weekend.

Johny V.

My first visit to Colombia. Staying 4 days in Bogota wish me.

Luck.

I've mentioned the Beyonce Dwarf a couple times but I couldn't recall the exact location. To those who were asking, she is here, next to the Tejo on 15 Bis.

Looks identical to Beyonce, but a dwarf, of course.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2355212]Many gringos get sick when they visit pacific cities due to new virus, bacteria, etc.[/QUOTE]WHats the link to the famous Routard list / FAQ? I can't find it.

Any preggos on the Sante Fe streets? I used to enjoy preggos in Thailand.

Showdown.

Go to the main Colombia page and scroll down to the lower section it is down there. Great info and I used it my first time in Bogota, I still have not been to Santa Fe but I travel solo and the daytime Chapinero action was good for me. Maybe this next trip in Sept I will venture down there, I do like me a pretty vene.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2356457]WHats the link to the famous Routard list / FAQ? I can't find it.

Any preggos on the Sante Fe streets? I used to enjoy preggos in Thailand.

Showdown.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2356547]Go to the main Colombia page and scroll down to the lower section it is down there. Great info and I used it my first time in Bogota, I still have not been to Santa Fe but I travel solo and the daytime Chapinero action was good for me. Maybe this next trip in Sept I will venture down there, I do like me a pretty vene.[/QUOTE]I have tried finding it too, no luck any chance of putting up a direct web link please.

Carrera 15 Bis and Calle 19.

[QUOTE=KangarooTed;2355905]I've mentioned the Beyonce Dwarf a couple times but I couldn't recall the exact location. To those who were asking, she is here, next to the Tejo on 15 Bis.

Looks identical to Beyonce, but a dwarf, of course.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=13ocBQUflm57FfMBszPYYRZskdtM&ll=4.6117204578915505%2C-74.07713858786713&z=18[/URL]

[QUOTE=Showdown;2356457]WHats the link to the famous Routard list / FAQ? I can't find it.

Any preggos on the Sante Fe streets? I used to enjoy preggos in Thailand.

Showdown.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ukman57;2356561]I have tried finding it too, no luck any chance of putting up a direct web link please.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3865-Bogota-FAQ&p=2241562&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2241562.

Hey guys,

First time posting here. I'm in Bogota for the next month, new to this hobby and have no idea where or how to start. I've found several girls on Twitter who I would like to see though I'm hesitant to trust them. I found this place called Sex On The Way which is two blocks away from the place I'm staying. I know it was briefly mentioned nearly a year ago in that huge October report, but there wasn't much info beyond that.

Does anybody have any info to share on this place? Or any other suggestions on where to start here in Bogota? Thanks!

I stopped by there in February.

Carrera 9 # 57-76. 9+ Girls. Prices: 60k 20 min., 100k 30 min., 150k hour. Tel:+57 345 4355, Cell: 313 219 6609 6608. Hours: 9 am to 9 pm. http://serviciosprepagos.com/sex-on-the-way-chapinero/?age-verified=368edfe4c4

I just checked the place out. I got there in early morning.

I only saw a couple of Chicas.

To me the price seemed high. Maybe later the other chicas would have been worth it.

I had not taken my Viagra so I passed.

[QUOTE=GnoggInFan;2358631]Hey guys,

First time posting here. I'm in Bogota for the next month, new to this hobby and have no idea where or how to start. I've found several girls on Twitter who I would like to see though I'm hesitant to trust them. I found this place called Sex On The Way which is two blocks away from the place I'm staying. I know it was briefly mentioned nearly a year ago in that huge October report, but there wasn't much info beyond that.

Does anybody have any info to share on this place? Or any other suggestions on where to start here in Bogota? Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GnoggInFan;2358631]Hey guys,

First time posting here. I'm in Bogota for the next month, new to this hobby and have no idea where or how to start. I've found several girls on Twitter who I would like to see though I'm hesitant to trust them. I found this place called Sex On The Way which is two blocks away from the place I'm staying. I know it was briefly mentioned nearly a year ago in that huge October report, but there wasn't much info beyond that.

Does anybody have any info to share on this place? Or any other suggestions on where to start here in Bogota? Thanks![/QUOTE]You are probably only 5 minutes walk from Pussy House.

Also, if you click on the link provided a few posts down from here by Routard, then scroll down a few posts and click on the Central link, that will show you all the activity close by.

Then of course there Santa Fe to the South on the other link and as well the Northern area link also should you wish to explore further, all within 20 minutes dependent on traffic.

By the way I don't think you need to trust less the Twitter girls than anyone else. Worth a shot IMHO.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1mIZMErk8w3Us_tnZ-lVs6h6kgvA&ll=4.647160748891766%2C-74.06626580903298&z=17[/URL]

[QUOTE=KangarooTed;2358817]You are probably only 5 minutes walk from Pussy House.

Also, if you click on the link provided a few posts down from here by Routard, then scroll down a few posts and click on the Central link, that will show you all the activity close by.

Then of course there Santa Fe to the South on the other link and as well the Northern area link also should you wish to explore further, all within 20 minutes dependent on traffic.

By the way I don't think you need to trust less the Twitter girls than anyone else. Worth a shot IMHO.[/QUOTE]

Great write up. I'm new to this. Been to MDE 3 times. Last two was with girl I wanted as a g / f. She wanted my attention and $$ but wouldn't give me any loving. Def. Could use a wingman in Santa Fe next time you go. Thanks!!

Want to go to SF. Speak Spanish. Not too comfortable going alone. Can you elaborate on what to do and not to do. Thanks again. If you need a wingman, lmk. I'm down.

[QUOTE=Md955;2350539]I went to Bogota alone a few months ago, and planning on going again soon. You should be pretty safe in the block immediately around the main clubs, where Paisas, Venus, etc are. Don't go past that, and don't go lower than Piscina's street. You'll have a metric ton of putas to choose from in terms of street girls, and the clubs have girls in them as well. There are more street girls immediately west, a few streets down, but I didn't feel as safe as there were more locals walking around and the area had more little restaurants, so there were just more people "hanging out" than the club area. I felt uneasy there, and didn't walk through them without a friend with me.

As for a cab in SF, there are cabs that park in front of Paisas (taxis con confianza), those are more trustworthy cabs. You may pay a little more, as they charged me anywhere as much as 3,000 - 8,000 more pesos than a regular cab, but in terms of getting into a safe cab at 2 am In the morning. There's nothing better, no worries about getting robbed and such.

My first few days there were pretty nerve-wracking, but I got the hang of it in the last two or three days, and I'm super ready to go back now. Probably the best week I'd spent in a long time.[/QUOTE]

Sorry for the late reply. Looking to head to Bogota now. The bello girl didn't pan out. Oh well.

Went back 2 x to "try" to form a relationship with her. Every time out, she basically wanted me to take her and her cherished son places that they could never afford. Didn't pan out. But she's pure gold to the guy that captures her heart. Off to Bogota and not looking for love. Just want to have a good time now. I'm a hopeless romantic unfortunately.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2338226]I'm blondish with green, wanting Spanish (learning) and 2 meters tall, in centro just use common sense, don't disrespect anyone even the druggies or tranies, walk with a purpose and you would be surprised what you will find given some patience and time.

Question. What do you mean that you "went back to Bello 2 x"? Many girls are from Bello, I have personally know some real cuties over the past 3 or 4 years and some I still see and play with from time to time. Elaborate on your statement.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cbmcpa;2359683]Sorry for the late reply. Looking to head to Bogota now. The bello girl didn't pan out. Oh well.

Went back 2 x to "try" to form a relationship with her. Every time out, she basically wanted me to take her and her cherished son places that they could never afford. Didn't pan out. But she's pure gold to the guy that captures her heart. Off to Bogota and not looking for love. Just want to have a good time now. I'm a hopeless romantic unfortunately.[/QUOTE]I think you meant "pure gold digger."

These girls can be a lot of fun, but there's almost zero chance of the average guy to develop any sort of normal relationship with them. You're starting in 2 different worlds.

For the girls it's easier. They just need to find someone who is willing to spend the money to match her expectations of the typical gringo lifestyle. That's where the guys problems begin.

Their idea of our lifestyle comes from music videos and interactions with gringo mongers. They see guys who can afford to spend 2-4 months of Colombian salary, just to fly to Medellin. Then they spend money to have a place with hot water, air conditioning and a jacuzzi. They eat in restaurants that charge 4 times as much as the restaurants where the girls live and it's the same food! And to top it off, the guys don't bat an eye paying 100,200, even 300 k just to spend a little bit of time with the girls. And those are just the typical gringos. What about the guys who are spending $500-$1000 USD per day to take girls on vacations outside Colombia?

But most of us guys can't spend like we do on vacation all the time. The girls don't understand that. If you start out taking them to the best restaurants in Medellin or Bogota, they'll expect that in Miami, New York, London.

To further complicate things, most guys looking for a Colombian girlfriend or wife are expecting a bargain. Their middle class home is much better than where the girl came from, so she should be happy to cook and clean and fuck while living on a budget. Right?

This is just a reminder for the guys thinking they'll spend a few days in Colombia and end up with the love of their life. You're setting yourself up for an expensive lesson.

If you're really trying to find a long term relationship, you need to put in the time and establish a more realistic foundation. Take 6 months to a year off. Go there. Take some Spanish classes if you need. Live simply and cheaply. Keep your dates low key. Take girls to the better budget restaurants. Take them on the metro or buses instead of taxi and Uber. Don't buy their affection, earn it.

You will probably still fail to find what you're looking for, but it'll be a much cheaper lesson. Of course, if you're looking for a girlfriend or wife 20-30 years younger than you, it's going to be hard without buying her.

Av. Carrera 15 #104-03.

Good mix, avg, some above avg.

Just go up the floor and you will see 4 spas in the corners in each side and you can see the girls and prices.

60,80, 100 mil.

[QUOTE=SurfLooker;2359742]Av. Carrera 15 #104-03.

Good mix, avg, some above avg.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SurfLooker;2359798]Just go up the floor and you will see 4 spas in the corners in each side and you can see the girls and prices.

60,80, 100 mil.[/QUOTE]Yes. That's the place referred to as the mezzanines.

[QUOTE=Ctec69;2354209]Sante fe is basically 3 streets: Carrera 15 to 16 a with Calle 22 to 19.

Chicas all over waiting by the street. Once you agree she will take you to the closest room. Price she quotes include the room.

Make sure to have the exact change, once a girl pretended the room wasn't included to get more (but only once in 3 weeks, not bad).

At first I was on the edge about about safety but after few days realized it's quite safe within those streets. Always lots of people around.

The only trouble you could have is in the quiet streets to get there.

But honestly, after 3 weeks going there almost daily, never had any issue, day time as late night, on my own and waking from another neighborhood..[/QUOTE]Interesting to hear you found Bogota different to what you are used to in SE Asia, I am planning a trip to Bogota next month after having mainly mongered in Pattaya. I have decided to switch to Bogata simply because the cost of fucking in Pattaya has shot through the roof. Soi six, BF, LD and whatever the lady gets being around 1600 baht or $176,000 COP as to what I am reading around $40,000 Cop for a sweet streety Santa Fe girl. Have you exp Pattaya lately if so as far as getting ones dick deep into pussy which do you think is better value? SE Asia or Bogota?

[QUOTE=Cbmcpa;2359683]Sorry for the late reply. Looking to head to Bogota now. The bello girl didn't pan out. Oh well.

Went back 2 x to "try" to form a relationship with her. Every time out, she basically wanted me to take her and her cherished son places that they could never afford. Didn't pan out. But she's pure gold to the guy that captures her heart. Off to Bogota and not looking for love. Just want to have a good time now. I'm a hopeless romantic unfortunately.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=TheTallMan;2338226]I'm blondish with green, wanting Spanish (learning) and 2 meters tall, in centro just use common sense, don't disrespect anyone even the druggies or tranies, walk with a purpose and you would be surprised what you will find given some patience and time.

Question. What do you mean that you "went back to Bello 2 x"? Many girls are from Bello, I have personally know some real cuties over the past 3 or 4 years and some I still see and play with from time to time. Elaborate on your statement.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JjBee62;2359728]I think you meant "pure gold digger."

These girls can be a lot of fun, but there's almost zero chance of the average guy to develop any sort of normal relationship with them. You're starting in 2 different worlds.

For the girls it's easier. They just need to find someone who is willing to spend the money to match her expectations of the typical gringo lifestyle. That's where the guys problems begin..[/QUOTE]Spot on from JjBee. Listen up to all your "hopeless romantics", first I must admit that I too use to fall into this category but here in Colombia the very best advice that I can give anyone is do NOT take anything or anyone serious, especially the chicas. I will be the first to admit that I had to learn this life lesson.

I don't give a shit how well they fuck you in bed or how they can look into your eyes and your feeling that they are touching your soul, how when they tell you that "age difference does not matter" or how they treat you when around in public. Enjoy it ABSOLUTELY but never take anything serious.

I know it is difficult but please follow this advice. I can spend days detailing real experiences that I have had and some ongoing, hell just twice in the past 2 days with 2 different paisas proclaiming their undying love and devotion to me and guess what? Yep this same chicas are some of the girls that some of you think is all into you.

I have no dog in this fight but I understand the culture and heck the girl that you may think is all into you and you want to consider for a long term relationship could be the same girl that I fucked for 3 hours last night in a motel here in Medellin, mummm believe it or not this is how they roll here in Medellin. Take it for what it is and nothing more please.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2360037]Spot on from JjBee. Listen up to all your "hopeless romantics", first I must admit that I too use to fall into this category but here in Colombia the very best advice that I can give anyone is do NOT take anything or anyone serious, especially the chicas. I will be the first to admit that I had to learn this life lesson.

I don't give a shit how well they fuck you in bed or how they can look into your eyes and your feeling that they are touching your soul, how when they tell you that "age difference does not matter" or how they treat you when around in public. Enjoy it ABSOLUTELY but never take anything serious.

I know it is difficult but please follow this advice. I can spend days detailing real experiences that I have had and some ongoing, hell just twice in the past 2 days with 2 different paisas proclaiming their undying love and devotion to me and guess what? Yep this same chicas are some of the girls that some of you think is all into you.

I have no dog in this fight but I understand the culture and heck the girl that you may think is all into you and you want to consider for a long term relationship could be the same girl that I fucked for 3 hours last night in a motel here in Medellin, mummm believe it or not this is how they roll here in Medellin. Take it for what it is and nothing more please.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Right on, Tall Man. I consider myself lucky, learning this life lesson early, saving myself a lot of grief and aggravation. There's always those guys that think: "Yeah, I understand, but my girl is different. " To those guys, here's my advice: Don't be an idiot. I repeat, don't be an idiot. Just move on to the next girl once the one you're with goes south. There are more girls out there than anyone could possibly get with. Why would you stick with one? And, every time you come back, there will be new ones. This is a game of "taking". Once you start "giving" you'll be giving more and more, and that's when they take advantage of you. If a guy really wanted to, he'd have a better chance finding something real in the small villages, rather than in the cities. Head into eastern Colombia and you'll see what I mean, but most are too scared to do that. If you want to stay in the cities, just love them and leave them.

Will be in the area this week. If anybody needs a wingman. Avoiding zona rosa and the clubs this time, mostly focused on Santa Fe.

[QUOTE=Ukman57;2360035]I have decided to switch to Bogata simply because the cost of fucking in Pattaya has shot through the roof. Soi six, BF, LD and whatever the lady gets being around 1600 baht or $176,000 COP as to what I am reading around $40,000 Cop for a sweet streety Santa Fe girl. Have you exp Pattaya lately if so as far as getting ones dick deep into pussy which do you think is better value? SE Asia or Bogota?[/QUOTE]That is because you are doing it wrong. I have told you guys time and time again negotiate 700 for the girl and pay 300 for the room at the bar. No idea how you get to 1600 unless you are buying a bunch of drinks.

As far as better value, that is all relative. First you have to compare apples to apples. I would say a Santa Fe casa or street chick would be akin to Beach Road chicks. In Santa Fe you can pay 40,000, but on Beach Road you are going to pay at least 55,000 (500 baht). But of course a vacation consists of more than how much it will cost to stick your dick into some pussy. You could find some $40 chicks around where you live that would lessen the need for you to travel at all if that was the only thing that counted.

You can't just ask what is the better general value, because in Pattaya you have the 22,000 COP crack shacks to the 1 million COP gogo girls. In Bogota you have the 30,000 Santa Fe chicks (I am sure there is something cheaper somewhere that even I do not want to see) to those expensive ass zona rosa places where it will cost you 70,000 just for a beer.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2360095]Right on, Tall Man. I consider myself lucky, learning this life lesson early, saving myself a lot of grief and aggravation. There's always those guys that think: "Yeah, I understand, but my girl is different. "[/QUOTE]Your girl could just as well be different. IMO it does not take a genius to realize when one is being used. If you have to give a chick money then no your girl is not different. If you have a girl like my chick in Cali that makes 1 million pesos / month and sometimes makes desserts to sell for extra money and does not ask you for anything but to spend time with her then you girl is different.

[QUOTE=Ukman57;2360035]Interesting to hear you found Bogota different to what you are used to in SE Asia, I am planning a trip to Bogota next month after having mainly mongered in Pattaya. I have decided to switch to Bogata simply because the cost of fucking in Pattaya has shot through the roof. Soi six, BF, LD and whatever the lady gets being around 1600 baht or $176,000 COP as to what I am reading around $40,000 Cop for a sweet streety Santa Fe girl. Have you exp Pattaya lately if so as far as getting ones dick deep into pussy which do you think is better value? SE Asia or Bogota?[/QUOTE]I've been to both this year.

Obviously you can get a Street girl in Pattaya for less than a soi six girl but anyway.

Bogota can present far better value; but there are other factors, like where are you flying in from? How much or how long are your flights?

Also, you are comfortable mongering in a beachside village with thousands of other foreigners and everyone speaks English or Thainglish; how will you be in a city of 8 million, no falang about and no one speaks a word of English?

If you'll think you'll be fine then just go and see, no problem you won't know until you go. Yea, it's cheaper.

[QUOTE=MadraBidDog;2360137]Will be in the area this week. If anybody needs a wingman. Avoiding zona rosa and the clubs this time, mostly focused on Santa Fe.[/QUOTE]Hey Madra,

I arrive on Wednesday night for a week and I'll be staying at San Francisco. I might go Wednesday when I arrive, at 12-1 am, or Thursday to during the day. Let me know if you'd like to meet up.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2356457]WHats the link to the famous Routard list / FAQ? I can't find it.

Any preggos on the Sante Fe streets? I used to enjoy preggos in Thailand.

Showdown.[/QUOTE]If your Spanish is good, just go to Santa Fe and ask on the streets and they will probably be able to link you up.

Or go to mileroticos.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2360160]Your girl could just as well be different. IMO it does not take a genius to realize when one is being used. If you have to give a chick money then no your girl is not different. If you have a girl like my chick in Cali that makes 1 million pesos / month and sometimes makes desserts to sell for extra money and does not ask you for anything but to spend time with her then you girl is different.[/QUOTE]Honestly, I think this is a Cali thing. Girls there are generous. And HORNY AF!

Guys, I"m going to be brutally honest here.

Do NOT aim for an LTR with a girl in Colombia, no matter how good it looks and no matter how good her English is.

UNLESS.

You truly and deeply understand the cultural vectors from here. And there are many sets of them, depending on where chica is from in this country. Sometimes they mix. It gets complicated.

You have knowledge of your own culture that you take for granted that you do NOT have here unless you've taken the time to EARN it.

There are a few of us here (Enternational Woodman Routard and I) who have been living here for a long time OR been coming here forever and the rules truly change for us.

Before you even consider anything more long-term than a FWB arrangement with a girl here, you need to have strong mastery of the language, meaning you never need a joke translated for you and you can even make your own level of mastery and you need to be well aware of all the cultural nuances of here.

Honestly, I personally would suggest you just enjoy yourself and throw those fantasies in the garbage where they belong. Oneitis is stupid, and it's even stupider here. Just assume that nobody is ever going to commit to you long term (and nor you to them) and life is paradise here.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2360714]Guys, I"m going to be brutally honest here.

Do NOT aim for an LTR with a girl in Colombia, no matter how good it looks and no matter how good her English is.

UNLESS.

You truly and deeply understand the cultural vectors from here. And there are many sets of them, depending on where chica is from in this country. Sometimes they mix. It gets complicated.

You have knowledge of your own culture that you take for granted that you do NOT have here unless you've taken the time to EARN it.

There are a few of us here (Enternational Woodman Routard and I) who have been living here for a long time OR been coming here forever and the rules truly change for us.

Before you even consider anything more long-term than a FWB arrangement with a girl here, you need to have strong mastery of the language, meaning you never need a joke translated for you and you can even make your own level of mastery and you need to be well aware of all the cultural nuances of here.

Honestly, I personally would suggest you just enjoy yourself and throw those fantasies in the garbage where they belong. Oneitis is stupid, and it's even stupider here. Just assume that nobody is ever going to commit to you long term (and nor you to them) and life is paradise here.[/QUOTE]Well said. I think time is needed to get in good with a girl from any culture other than your own. I once had a great LTR with a Peruvian / Costa Rican mix, but that's only because she came up to NY for college and we had the time to get to know each other (and I had time to learn culture and Spanish).

I believe what you've said to be true for girls from Bogota, Medellin, Cali, Cartagena, ect, but as someone who has lived and traveled a lot in Colombia, I'm curious to know your thoughts about girls from smaller towns, or even remote areas like Mitu, or Inirida. I certainly haven't been everywhere in the country, but the out-of-way places I have been to, I've found girls to be a little hesitant at first, but then very interested and receptive to foreigners that have a grasp of Spanish and interest in their culture. In my opinion, it's easier to develop a LTR in lesser visited places. What's your opinion on the subject?

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2360832]I've found girls to be a little hesitant at first, but then very interested and receptive to foreigners that have a grasp of Spanish and interest in their culture.[/QUOTE]This makes me think of something I encounter with chicks. What does culture have to do with anything? In my opinion shit. I am always taken aback when a chick says you don't understand because you are not from my culture. Or this is not working because we are from different cultures. As if being from the same culture makes everything peechy keen.

I then ask, well what happened with your last boyfriend. He cheated on me, or he was an abuser, or he didn't show me enough attention, etc. But aren't you from the same culture? Works the same way with religion. They want a guy that is Christian. But wasn't the last mf that was beating on your ass and cheating on you Christian? I think I am too logical for many people.

P. S. I did get an MBA in International Business because I like to study different cultures. But I have found that when male-female relationships are concerned, except for a couple of customs, cultural differences really play no factor. You can see this when people in the military go all over the world marrying people from different countries. That corporal in the Army can not say kiss my ass in Korean, but he and his wife and their 2 kids seem to be getting along just fine.

My girl didn't give me any sexual affection at all. But she did introduce me to her entire family. A school teacher, sweet caring. Kept me from going to her house in Bello B/ C it was too dangerous. Did drop her off on the corner. She was petrified that something would happen to me. I'd talk to her on the phone and hear a guy screaming "policia" like every few minutes or so. She told me it was a "MESA" that was basically a lookout. She said there was one on every street corner. Since she was from there, she had nothing to worry about. I think she was very genuine. But the age difference and the fact that I did not live there was the big issue. She mentioned that several times.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2360714]Guys, I"m going to be brutally honest here.

Do NOT aim for an LTR with a girl in Colombia, no matter how good it looks and no matter how good her English is.

UNLESS.

You truly and deeply understand the cultural vectors from here. And there are many sets of them, depending on where chica is from in this country. Sometimes they mix. It gets complicated.

You have knowledge of your own culture that you take for granted that you do NOT have here unless you've taken the time to EARN it.

There are a few of us here (Enternational Woodman Routard and I) who have been living here for a long time OR been coming here forever and the rules truly change for us..[/QUOTE]

Coming to Bogota this Saturday for a week. Anybody interested in meeting this Sunday?

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Sounds good man, I'm here already. I can not send private messages, so we going to have to figure out how to meet. May be at the San Francisco.

[QUOTE=JoyTop;2360471]Hey Madra,

I arrive on Wednesday night for a week and I'll be staying at San Francisco. I might go Wednesday when I arrive, at 12-1 am, or Thursday to during the day. Let me know if you'd like to meet up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2360929]This makes me think of something I encounter with chicks. What does culture have to do with anything? [/QUOTE]Again some impeccable logic from Mr E.

After a lot of travelling, I have concluded that the differences in thinking / feeling between people from different countries aren't nearly as big as the differences between men and women. And as far as culture goes, differences between countries are less significant than differences between social classes within countries. If you are middle class, you are more likely to have a successful LTR with a middle class Colombian than with someone who is working class from your own country. And if you're liberal, you'll have more thinking in common with a Colombian liberal than with a conservative from your own country.

I am now seeing a Venezuelan girl from an impoverished middle class family. I started talking to her on SA last year. A large number of girls cannot hold a conversation beyond: "Hola amor, como estás? But this one I could talk to. Her Spanish spelling is better than mine, which cannot be said for many of the girls I chat to. She was at home in VZ with no options in life, but recently made it out to Bogotá. So I took a risk and sent her money to take a bus and come and stay with me for a week, sight unseen. The first two nights she was shy and wouldn't let me touch her, but then she warmed up and it was well worth it. Shy, innocent, full of sexual desire, tall, slim, curious, intelligent, honest. Just what I like. She's never done P4 P, and yes, I believe her. Unlike some forum members who think that all females in Colombia are prostitutes, because they have never interacted with "normal" women. Now she is impatiently waiting for my return. I plan to send her money to survive on, which I wouldn't do for someone I met as P4 P. In 12 years she'll be half my age.

[QUOTE=Arcangel;2361121]Again some impeccable logic from Mr E.

After a lot of travelling, I have concluded that the differences in thinking / feeling between people from different countries aren't nearly as big as the differences between men and women. And as far as culture goes, differences between countries are less significant than differences between social classes within countries. If you are middle class, you are more likely to have a successful LTR with a middle class Colombian than with someone who is working class from your own country. And if you're liberal, you'll have more thinking in common with a Colombian liberal than with a conservative from your own country.

I am now seeing a Venezuelan girl from an impoverished middle class family. I started talking to her on SA last year. A large number of girls cannot hold a conversation beyond: "Hola amor, como ests? But this one I could talk to. Her spanish spelling is better than mine, which cannot be said for many of the girls I chat to. She was at home in VZ with no options in life, but recently made it out to Bogot. So I took a risk and sent her money to take a bus and come and stay with me for a week, sight unseen. The first two nights she was shy and wouldn't let me touch her, but then she warmed up and it was well worth it. Shy, innocent, full of sexual desire, tall, slim, curious, intelligent, honest. Just what I like. She's never done P4 P, and yes, I believe her. Unlike some forum members who think that all females in Colombia are prostitutes, because they have never interacted with "normal" women. Now she is impatiently waiting for my return. I plan to send her money to survive on, which I wouldn't do for someone I met as P4 P. In 12 years she'll be half my age.[/QUOTE]Hopefully you are older than 49.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2360095]. If you want to stay in the cities, just love them and leave them.[/QUOTE]I saw an excellent quote in another ISG forum, like fishing "Catch and release".

[QUOTE=Rossiniat;2361232]Hopefully you are older than 49.[/QUOTE]Ha, I was thinking the same thing. The only thing that Venezuelan girl is loving is the money.

Hi guys,

I need a taxi service from airport to hotel San Francisco in Bogota. I asked the hotel, but they just told the price and not if it's possible to pick me up. I Asked again, until now no answer. Calling, I did it two times, nobody speaks English so it doesn't make sense to call again. I don't speak Spanish. Any idea? Thanks.

I didn't bother to go in this place on my last trip. But it is definitely in a perfect location. Does anybody know anything about it? I assume it has to be very girl friendly (even for Venezuelan s with no passport). Is it reasonably clean (I. E. A step up from the short time rooms)? What's the deal with this place?

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2361650]I didn't bother to go in this place on my last trip. But it is definitely in a perfect location. Does anybody know anything about it? I assume it has to be very girl friendly (even for Venezuelan s with no passport). Is it reasonably clean (I. E. A step up from the short time rooms)? What's the deal with this place?[/QUOTE]Great question.

[QUOTE=SteveOhh;2361639]Hi guys,

I need a taxi service from airport to hotel San Francisco in Bogota. I asked the hotel, but they just told the price and not if it's possible to pick me up. I Asked again, until now no answer. Calling, I did it two times, nobody speaks English so it doesn't make sense to call again. I don't speak Spanish. Any idea? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Walk outside and get into a taxi and tell them to take you there.

Hello ISG.

It have been two weeks since I last posted, but I am here now, during the last two weeks I have been in many places besides Santa Fe, I want to share my experiences about it. In the day houses in Chapinero are a lot of beautiful girls and everyday are new girls in there, lots of restaurants really good restaurants, fancies and cheap ones. Here in Bogota you can find a lot of things to do, for men is like heaven, you don't have to be only in Santa Fe but Primera de Mayo is also good, many clubs in North Bogota are really good too. You just need to have a little spirit of adventure and find somebody to show you everything. You'll find a lot fun in Bogota.

Johny V.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2361650]I didn't bother to go in this place on my last trip. But it is definitely in a perfect location. Does anybody know anything about it? I assume it has to be very girl friendly (even for Venezuelan s with no passport). Is it reasonably clean (I. E. A step up from the short time rooms)? What's the deal with this place?[/QUOTE]Hi,

I know several ISGers / Gringos who have stayed there.

Room with Kitchen is 50 mil room without 30 mil.

Hi guys,

I'll be in Bogota this Sunday. Staying for a week.

If anyone is around and wants to meet up for drinks and bar / club hopping PM me. Looking forward to hanging out. I'll be staying at Hotel Saint Simon.

Thanks.

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[QUOTE=Woodman09;2361755]Hi,

I know several ISGers / Gringos who have stayed there.

Room with Kitchen is 50 mil room without 30 mil.[/QUOTE]Thanks alot. Any word on the cleanliness / girl friendliness?

[QUOTE=Arcangel;2361121]I am now seeing a Venezuelan girl from an impoverished middle class family. I started talking to her on SA last year. A large number of girls cannot hold a conversation beyond: "Hola amor, como ests? But this one I could talk to. Her spanish spelling is better than mine, which cannot be said for many of the girls I chat to. She was at home in VZ with no options in life, but recently made it out to Bogot. So I took a risk and sent her money to take a bus and come and stay with me for a week, sight unseen. The first two nights she was shy and wouldn't let me touch her, but then she warmed up and it was well worth it. Shy, innocent, full of sexual desire, tall, slim, curious, intelligent, honest. Just what I like. She's never done P4 P, and yes, I believe her..[/QUOTE]Sigh, I met one in Aruba, flew out there, moved her to Peru. Then moved her sibling and whole family there. We fell in love. Her family liked me, and my family went to Lima and met her, and they liked her. We talked of having children. One night she got dressed up, and I was like, "Fuck, this girl is a 10." Sex was great early on then less off it, started putting me down more: the shaming, the finger pointing, all the irresponsible shit I thought was just American women. She reminded me of my ex-wife.

A female friend of mine told me to look at all her social media. She said, "All these idiots think they can hide shit on social media, and they can't". She found her instagram page and sure enough it was like she suspected. There were all pictures of her family, friends, and none of me. Even one had the #love on it next to a guy. I was pissed, but she did zero about it to fix it. She was working when she told me she wasn't. Well, she was in on of these multimarket scams. Family pleaded with me to go to Lima and get her back. She even broke up with me before I broke up with her. Unbeknownst to my family, I decided to go to Bogota instead and offered to fly her here. I didn't hear from her. From nearly married with kids to being fucking ghosted.

I met up with Woodman last night. Streets filled with Venezuelan women. My woman would have been one of them without me.

Venezuelans are fucked up. They think that they are rich because of their oil reserves, and the world stole from there, so it is okay to steal from others. After Western nations got ripped off, China and Russia moved in and they have gotten ripped off now. Maybe it's not fair to characterize all Venezuelans this way, but I was afraid that I would lose my woman to another man, and I did. I lost her to this stupid Ponzi scheme known as imarketslive or IML, and the guy was this sleaze ball founder, Christopher Terry. It makes Amway look ethical. You don't have to work, just trade currencies. Working is for suckers. That is the socialist way right?

I don't think you can live in a country that fucked up and leave it unscathed, people eating from the trash. Jesus. It would be nice to see someone commit to a Venezuelan and them honor their word. Maybe that isn't fair but when you grow up in a culture of lies, it is hard to not lie yourself. Then you throw women in the mix and it is even worse. Yes, I think my girl was a narcissist, but how many hot women are normal? I think if I were to get married again it would have to be to an unattractive woman. Don't kid yourself, guys. These women really rarely love you. I literally got this woman out of hell, and this is what she did. Her family swore she was loyal, but in my heart, I think she was fucking around on me.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2361820]Thanks alot. Any word on the cleanliness / girl friendliness?[/QUOTE]Yeah, I should have said, I had not heard any complaints. It is decent. I'm pretty sure as long as the girl is 18 with ID it's all good.

Is the hotel girl friendly? I will come to and try to book a hotel, now I lean to ibis.

[QUOTE=RajGupta125;2361758]Hi guys,

I'll be in Bogota this Sunday. Staying for a week.

If anyone is around and wants to meet up for drinks and bar / club hopping PM me. Looking forward to hanging out. I'll be staying at Hotel Saint Simon.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2361857]Sigh, I met one in Aruba, flew out there, moved her to Peru. Then moved her sibling and whole family there. We fell in love. Her family liked me, and my family went to Lima and met her, and they liked her. We talked of having children. One night she got dressed up, and I was like, "Fuck, this girl is a 10." Sex was great early on then less off it, started putting me down more: the shaming, the finger pointing, all the irresponsible shit I thought was just American women. She reminded me of my ex-wife.

A female friend of mine told me to look at all her social media. She said, "All these idiots think they can hide shit on social media, and they can't". She found her instagram page and sure enough it was like she suspected. There were all pictures of her family, friends, and none of me. Even one had the #love on it next to a guy. I was pissed, but she did zero about it to fix it. She was working when she told me she wasn't. Well, she was in on of these multimarket scams. Family pleaded with me to go to Lima and get her back. She even broke up with me before I broke up with her. Unbeknownst to my family, I decided to go to Bogota instead and offered to fly her here. I didn't hear from her. From nearly married with kids to being fucking ghosted.

I met up with Woodman last night. Streets filled with Venezuelan women. My woman would have been one of them without me.

Venezuelans are fucked up. They think that they are rich because of their oil reserves, and the world stole from there, so it is okay to steal from others. After Western nations got ripped off, China and Russia moved in and they have gotten ripped off now. Maybe it's not fair to characterize all Venezuelans this way, but I was afraid that I would lose my woman to another man, and I did. I lost her to this stupid Ponzi scheme known as imarketslive or IML, and the guy was this sleaze ball founder, Christopher Terry. It makes Amway look ethical. You don't have to work, just trade currencies. Working is for suckers. That is the socialist way right?

I don't think you can live in a country that fucked up and leave it unscathed, people eating from the trash. Jesus. It would be nice to see someone commit to a Venezuelan and them honor their word. Maybe that isn't fair but when you grow up in a culture of lies, it is hard to not lie yourself. Then you throw women in the mix and it is even worse. Yes, I think my girl was a narcissist, but how many hot women are normal? I think if I were to get married again it would have to be to an unattractive woman. Don't kid yourself, guys. These women really rarely love you. I literally got this woman out of hell, and this is what she did. Her family swore she was loyal, but in my heart, I think she was fucking around on me.[/QUOTE]Damn, man, that's awful. I feel like buying you a beer. The Venezuelan girls are good looking in my opinion, but I'd never take one seriously. If anyone has any doubt about their loyalty, they should read your post.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2361857]Sex was great early on then less off it, started putting me down more: the shaming, the finger pointing, all the irresponsible shit I thought was just American women. She reminded me of my ex-wife.[/QUOTE]Dude all women are the same. It is just that you are not used to the bullshit of the women that live somewhere that you don't travel to frequently. Even less if you don't speak the language of the person. You can put up with more of the foreign bullshit (and even more if you are afraid to lose the chick) than the local bullshit, until you become accustomed to the foreign bullshit too. That is why it behooves you to put your foot down at the first sign of bullshit from any woman instead of kissing up to her and giving in to her.

I know plenty of good Venezuelan women. Don't blame them if you chose to be a hopeless romantic (I don't even let chicks know I have a facebook, nevermind putting them on mine and wanting them to put me on theirs) and white knight and go around saving people. Any expat on ISG will tell you that you have no business investing like that in a person if you are not going to be there with them day to day. Hell, I was messing with a chick where I live in Thailand. I had to head to the States to my aunt's funeral, and she got pregnant while I was gone. Her kid is almost 2 and we are still friends and fuck buddies. But unlike you, I don't invest like that in chicks, so there are no sour grapes.

You made a horrible investment and you are the only one to blame. I am sure that if you told any friends about this beforehand they told you it was a bad idea and you told them to go to hell because you knew what you were doing. I have a buddy that lives in the Philippines and he was messing with a chick that died. He was still supporting her kids afterwards. That is exactly what he told me when I told him that was not his responsibility. Then when he found out the chick really did not die and he was being scammed, it was then yeah man you were right. I do not know what I was thinking.

I have a friend that lives in Venezuela and she comes to visit me in the states every couple of years. I have known her at least 10 years. Recently she had to sell her car because she could not afford a battery for it. She plans to go to Chile but can only afford for 1 person to go so she is sending her daughter. She has never asked me for shit! Should I go volunteering to move her to Chile?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2362061]Dude all women are the same. It is just that you are not used to the bullshit of the women that live somewhere that you don't travel to frequently. Even less if you don't speak the language of the person. You can put up with more of the foreign bullshit (and even more if you are afraid to lose the chick) than the local bullshit, until you become accustomed to the foreign bullshit too. That is why it behooves you to put your foot down at the first sign of bullshit from any woman instead of kissing up to her and giving in to her.

I know plenty of good Venezuelan women. Don't blame them if you chose to be a hopeless romantic (I don't even let chicks know I have a facebook, nevermind putting them on mine and wanting them to put me on theirs) and white knight and go around saving people. Any expat on ISG will tell you that you have no business investing like that in a person if you are not going to be there with them day to day. Hell, I was messing with a chick where I live in Thailand. I had to head to the States to my aunt's funeral, and she got pregnant while I was gone. Her kid is almost 2 and we are still friends and fuck buddies. But unlike you, I don't invest like that in chicks, so there are no sour grapes.

You made a horrible investment and you are the only one to blame. I am sure that if you told any friends about this beforehand they told you it was a bad idea and you told them to go to hell because you knew what you were doing. I have a buddy that lives in the Philippines and he was messing with a chick that died. He was still supporting her kids afterwards. That is exactly what he told me when I told him that was not his responsibility. Then when he found out the chick really did not die and he was being scammed, it was then yeah man you were right. I do not know what I was thinking.

I have a friend that lives in Venezuela and she comes to visit me in the states every couple of years. I have known her at least 10 years. Recently she had to sell her car because she could not afford a battery for it. She plans to go to Chile but can only afford for 1 person to go so she is sending her daughter. She has never asked me for shit! Should I go volunteering to move her to Chile?[/QUOTE]Jesus, you this harsh with everybody? I think he realizes his mistake without the salt you're pouring. Plus, I'd re-read those texts. That girl's not asking you "directly", but she's laying some hints. If she's got the cash to travel to the States, and send her daughter to Chile, the cost of a visa, along with a $50 daily limit is peanuts. You know she'd like to go, be a pal and send her the cash, ha, ha. You speak with her in English? -I'm just messing with you, man. I think his post was a good story shared. This forum is all about helping the next guy.

So, how does all this banter contribute to the forum: There's been a lot of bad luck out there with Venezuelans. Take heed, gents.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2362077]So, how does all this banter contribute to the forum: There's been a lot of bad luck out there with Venezuelans. Take heed, gents.[/QUOTE]But that is all nationalities, not just Venezuelans. You can't generalize and say how bad Venezuelans are because you happened to get used by one. The problem does not lie in the nationality of the girl. The problem lies in the inability of the hopeless romantic to tell when he is being used.

Of course her family liked him if he was footing the bill for sending them all across the world. In Rio we used to say you will know how much these chicks really like you when you show up with no money. If someone is still around you when you are not paying for everything and helping them out of financial jams (those will never end) then you have a winner. But if you are always having to come out of your pocket, that is when you need to take heed.

It is easy for me to do because being a player I have probably 100 or so chicks and I am not trying to settle down like that. Imagine 100 chicks coming to me talking about needing money for a $20 electric bill or whatever. That would be 2000 damn dollars for me to give out. Not possible. But when you are concentrating on only 1 chick, the nickel and diming will slide through until either they feel they have used you enough and want to go on to suck the blood out of someone else, or you realize you have been had. In the OP's case, he had set his chick and her family up nice and it was not until she had already moved on to do her own thing when he started questioning everything.

And just like anything it gets easier with practice. It was hard the first time a chick had to ask a guy for money. But as they kept doing it, it got easier and easier to where it is just second nature and rolls off the tongue. Telling them no is the same way. It may be hard the first couple of times because you are afraid to lose out on the pussy, but as you practice it and practice it, you can do it in your sleep. One of my chicks recently asked me for money and I told her nope I did not have it. She said you never have it. I said, yet you continue to ask.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2361857]
A female friend of mine told me to look at all her social media. She said, "All these idiots think they can hide shit on social media, and they can't". She found her instagram page and sure enough it was like she suspected. There were all pictures of her family, friends, and none of me. Even one had the #love on it next to a guy. I was pissed, but she did zero about it to fix it. She was working when she told me she wasn't. Well, she was in on of these multimarket scams. Family pleaded with me to go to Lima and get her back. She even broke up with me before I broke up with her. Unbeknownst to my family, I decided to go to Bogota instead and offered to fly her here. I didn't hear from her. From nearly married with kids to being fucking ghosted.
[/QUOTE]Yes they will use you and lie to you. Don't let them. In the animal kingdom you need to be assertive. I've been burned before in my early days of mongering but not as bad. Here's how to do it properly:

(1) Stop looking for love in foreign places. You can find it where you live. It doesn't even need to be romantic love. A good female friend is just as valuable and sufficient.

(2) All Latinas who take money from extranjeros (foreigners) to support themselves are going to have at least one, sometimes more, local guys they party with and fuck. Especially in Colombia women don't go out alone so they always need a guy to go with. Usually these guys are scumbags who mooch off the chica since you keep supporting her. Sometimes they are just weak men who can't find anyone except a prostitute to be with them.

(3) Don't talk long term or any of that shit. You don't want to be the guy I mention in point (2). You want to be the rich guy who fucks her like a champ whenever you're in town.

(4) Accept the fact that fucking and dating for short periods when you visit is all you're going to get. Everything else is just lies, pain and suffering.

Go to Colombia. Have a good time. Take some photos. When you get back you can look at the photos and remember the good times. Unless you move there that's all you should expect.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2362077]Jesus, you this harsh with everybody? I think he realizes his mistake without the salt you're pouring. Plus, I'd re-read those texts. That girl's not asking you "directly", but she's laying some hints. If she's got the cash to travel to the States, and send her daughter to Chile, the cost of a visa, along with a $50 daily limit is peanuts. You know she'd like to go, be a pal and send her the cash, ha, ha. You speak with her in English? -I'm just messing with you, man. I think his post was a good story shared. This forum is all about helping the next guy.

So, how does all this banter contribute to the forum: There's been a lot of bad luck out there with Venezuelans. Take heed, gents.[/QUOTE]It's a harsh world. You're not doing anyone a favor by sugar coating everything.

Substitute an American from Texas for his Venezuelan and I had the same experience. It hits you in the gut when you find out the woman who has been telling your whole family how much she loves you, is out shopping for a better deal. It's even worse when her mother is telling you how much her daughter loves you, while the mother is setting her up with married sugar daddies.

It's an expensive lesson to learn and money isn't the biggest cost.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2362106]Yes they will use you and lie to you. Don't let them. In the animal kingdom you need to be assertive. I've been burned before in my early days of mongering but not as bad. Here's how to do it properly:

(1) Stop looking for love in foreign places. You can find it where you live. It doesn't even need to be romantic love. A good female friend is just as valuable and sufficient.

(2) All Latinas who take money from extranjeros (foreigners) to support themselves are going to have at least one, sometimes more, local guys they party with and fuck. Especially in Colombia women don't go out alone so they always need a guy to go with. Usually these guys are scumbags who mooch off the chica since you keep supporting her. Sometimes they are just weak men who can't find anyone except a prostitute to be with them.

(3) Don't talk long term or any of that shit. You don't want to be the guy I mention in point (2). You want to be the rich guy who fucks her like a champ whenever you're in town.

(4) Accept the fact that fucking and dating for short periods when you visit is all you're going to get. Everything else is just lies, pain and suffering.

Go to Colombia. Have a good time. Take some photos. When you get back you can look at the photos and remember the good times. Unless you move there that's all you should expect.[/QUOTE]If you want to see the truth of #2, go hang out around Western Union and watch. You'll see the hot chicks go in to pick up money. They'll almost always have 2 guys with them. One is the boyfriend. The other is his friend. After they get the money, she'll take them out partying.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2362061]I have a friend that lives in Venezuela and she comes to visit me in the states every couple of years. I have known her at least 10 years. Recently she had to sell her car because she could not afford a battery for it. She plans to go to Chile but can only afford for 1 person to go so she is sending her daughter. She has never asked me for shit! Should I go volunteering to move her to Chile?[/QUOTE]Are you serious? Are you really bragging about this? This is how you treat a "friend"?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2362105]
It is easy for me to do because being a player I have probably 100 or so chicks and I am not trying to settle down like that.[/QUOTE]Slapping my knee, this is cracking me up so much. How do you find the time to post so much with a harem like that swooning over you?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2361857]............I don't think you can live in a country that fucked up and leave it unscathed, people eating from the trash. Jesus. It would be nice to see someone commit to a Venezuelan and them honor their word............[/QUOTE]In San Francisco people are eating from the trash and pooping on the streets.

YK,

I get you guys are trying to be helpful, but the cynicism you and me show towards women is pretty incredible. I don't regret my relationship with my fiance it all. There is something to be said for wanting to lay in her arms all night versus just fuck, the special way a woman in love looks at you. I have been cynical too. I didn't think I could fall in love again, didn't think it was in me to want to be monogamous with someone again, but I did. We were together for 2 years. What broke us up was that she didn't understand how free markets were. This company she "worked" for was very slick, but that is all they were, and she, being from a socialist country, fell for a multilevel marketing scheme that I doubt she would have fell for if she lived in a capitalist country. People from Venezuela are different because of what they have been told, what they have seen, and you can talk to the average Colombian about Venezuelans, and they will share their views which are practically identical to mine.

It's different than when the USSR fell and Russian women stormed the scene in the late 1990's. Those women were kept in the dark, but it is similar in that Venezuelans have to learn the rules of capitalism. They come from a country where they see people eating out of the trash, leaders who derided capitalism but stuffed their pockets full of cash. The American Dream doesn't exist in Venezuela. If you work hard, had a long term perspective, and provided solutions in the market place, you were a sucker. The government would steal you blind. The people who got rich in Venezuela are / were self serving drug dealers and thieves. That affects people. My gal thought this multilevel marketing shit was going to make her a millionaire, and she didn't tell me about it because she knew I was cynical of it. She still believes that she will be rich doing it BTW. I shouldn't have put the stuff in there about seeing another man. I think it was more about how she was hiding who she was from me that made her sexually frigid in the end. And you guys don't get this part. Both our families were cynical of our relationship and when they saw us together, they wanted it to work out. It wasn't just me who bought into the dream.

And the reason I posted my story was to warn people about Venezuelans. They ARE different because of what they have seen, what they have been told. I was concerned about losing my gal to another guy: a guy with rip roaring abs or one who gave her more cash. I never thought I would lose her to a con man.

I think what you guys ARE talking about is falling for a woman like this Santa Fe stripper I met. The best lay of the trip so far has been Asakira. She dances at Troya. Well, all the women move around the clubs down there, but that was the one club where we met. I invited her back to my hotel. She was up for $100 for TLN. I paid for the hotel versus in house facilities because she agreed to DFK and BBBJs OTC. She was so good in bed that a lot of guys would fall for her right there. Her BBBJ may have been the best I have ever had. The reason I am sharing her name is because outside of another roll in the hay, I am not interested in anything else with her.

I don't get the part about being with someone every day. For 18 months, there were no issues with me and my gal. If she were in a position where she could have come to the USA, it might have worked even better. I was giving her in a month what I paid a SB for a night with me. Paying for a USA Girl with her qualities for a week or two in Mexico would have cost four, maybe even five figures in the past. You can video chat for free these days and we did every week. Shit, half of the times I have bought an American woman a ticket for a trip, I have been stiffed. American women are scared of traveling for some reason. My gal loved it, and here in Colombia, every woman I have offered up a trip with has ate it up, and they have jumped at the meager amount per day I have offered. I probably am going to cut the offer in half and see what happens.

It's never easy to know how much to give. Steve Jobs said it was easier to make money than to give it away. It's tricky. You want to give enough so a woman can do anything but not enough so they do nothing. That is a paraphrased line from Warren Buffett, and I am skeptical of anyone who thinks they have the answer on how much the right amount is to give any woman.

Yes, I want to recreate what I had. I am not forcing love, but I want to be with someone with the potential for love. I am interested in seeing a Colombian woman for a week vacation and see what happens from there. The price is too high for quality American women. I had some of the best looking and best performing SBs you guys have ever seen: Bud Light girl, college cheerleader, a woman who was a dead ringer for a SI swimsuit model, but I never thought about getting serious with any of them. They all had a screw loose, and they want marriage for something serious. I know Hollywood talks of Romance and the hell of divorce is not talked about nearly enough. 50% of my income? Fuck that.

I have met and bedded several Colombian women now. Just because they are professionals does not mean they aren't hucksters, but it is cynical to think they are all hucksters. The best lay was the Santa Fe stripper, but the test time I had was with a 2nd grade teacher, and she was great in the sack. The woman loved sucking cock. In between her, who never even gave me a price tag, was an engineer asking for $400 a day and a lawyer who wanted $300. I kicked them both to the curb. The other one with potential for a vacation was a 19 year old who is a model / finance student. She is too young for anything serious, but she would be fun to hang with for a week. And I have more lined up. It's been a busy week.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2362363]In San Francisco people are eating from the trash and pooping on the streets.[/QUOTE]In Venezuela, teachers asked their students to pray to God to give them ice cream. They prayed and got nothing. The teachers then asked them to pray to Hugo Chavez, and they did so, and the teachers gave them ice cream. The teachers then told the students that they could trust Hugo Chavez more than God.

The sad part is I can today see an American politician read the above story, stroking his chin saying, "Hmmm, not a bad idea."

Hello ISG,

Last night was a very fun night, we went to Pasarela Club and had a very fun moment, prices are as the regular clubs in Santa Fe, but this club is in 49 and Caracas, there are three more clubs.

The amazing thing of the night was discovering the night club Fourty Nine, because it is awesome, I would say that is the best club I have been in Bogota, it has really nice VIP section, nice very nice girls, and a lot of other places inside it that it makes you feel that you are not in Bogota, well I hope you have the opportunity to come.

Johny V.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2362363]In San Francisco people are eating from the trash and pooping on the streets.[/QUOTE]Indeed. Just one small difference. In the US those are a minority and in V'zla they are a majority. Extreme leftward views with which sadly some in the US are flirting invariably lead to such an outcome. I trust that the majority in the US have the sense to know that, but if I am wrong in that, then the US is not immune to such developments either. Might just take a bit more time.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2362172]Are you serious? Are you really bragging about this? This is how you treat a "friend"?[/QUOTE]I am plenty of people's friend; I am nobody's bank. There is a difference. You however, after being someone's bank, is saying how terrible an entire nationality is. I should be the one asking if YOU are serious.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2362373][b] I was concerned about losing my gal to another guy[/b]: a guy with rip roaring abs or one [b] who gave her more cash.[/b][/QUOTE] I guess you still don't know what the Beetles were singing of when they said that money can't buy me love.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2360037]Spot on from JjBee. Listen up to all your "hopeless romantics", first I must admit that I too use to fall into this category but here in Colombia the very best advice that I can give anyone is do NOT take anything or anyone serious, especially the chicas. I will be the first to admit that I had to learn this life lesson.

I don't give a shit how well they fuck you in bed or how they can look into your eyes and your feeling that they are touching your soul, how when they tell you that "age difference does not matter" or how they treat you when around in public. Enjoy it ABSOLUTELY but never take anything serious.

I know it is difficult but please follow this advice. I can spend days detailing real experiences that I have had and some ongoing, hell just twice in the past 2 days with 2 different paisas proclaiming their undying love and devotion to me and guess what? Yep this same chicas are some of the girls that some of you think is all into you..[/QUOTE]Your mailbox is full. Did you make it to Cucuta? And any idea how to motivate / pay bus fare (for a vnz girl and know if she will show up?

How's the scene in Santa Fe and Chapinero on Sunday and Monday night?

Going next week but only have time those nights, 9/1 and 9/2.

Santa Fe is always better not alone, so looking for a wingman. I want to try la 49 as well given the recent good reports.

I'm young and like to party / drink, I'm fluent in Spanish.

Hit me up if I'm Bogota those dates.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2362424]I am plenty of people's friend; I am nobody's bank. There is a difference. You however, after being someone's bank, is saying how terrible an entire nationality is. I should be the one asking if YOU are serious.

I guess you still don't know what the Beetles were singing of when they said that money can't buy me love.[/QUOTE]If you can lose a girl to a guy with a better body, or more money, you never had her in the first place.

The whole "all Venezuelans" stuff is pure garbage.

I haven't had experience with all Venezuelans yet. I guess I have some catching up to do. I did have experience with 1 Venezuelan. The first 2 times I was trying her out as a webcam model. She had potential. If she'd known some English, she would have done well. The third meeting with her she said she didn't want to do the webcam, but she would be happy to earn the money making it up to me. We spent about 2 hours just talking, working into a bit of foreplay, which became an excellent, long session. If I wasn't busy with everything else, I'd have gotten around to a few more dates.

Plenty of time went by and she hit me on Whatsapp. Chatted a bit. Told her my current situation, she told me hers. After that she checked in a few more times. Never asked for anything, never mentioned any problems.

Hit her up again in June, to let her know I'd be back in July. She was in Venezuela, but hoping to get back to Medellin before I arrived. No request for money, no sob story. Told me what she was working on and that was all. Once I was on the ground I checked in again and learned she hoped to be in Medellin while I was there.

She arrived, let me know and we set up a date to see a movie. I paid for a coffee. I offered to pay for a beer, she declined. I paid for the movie and I had my taxi drop her where she's staying, on my way home.

The next day she called to ask for a favor. I was expecting she would finally ask for money. Instead, she asked if she could use the apartment to take some pictures. She showed up, paid her own taxi and I took some pics and video of her. We chatted for a while. I wasn't feeling a strong urge to get her into bed, she wasn't feeling it either, so I walked her out, flagged down a taxi and said goodbye.

We're still in contact. When I return, we'll probably get together again. Maybe another movie, maybe dinner, or maybe she'll be spending the night with me. The one thing I'm certain she won't do is turn into a gold digger.

She also seems to have had no problems learning capitalism. She's been paying her own way. When I met her for the movie I had to wait while she bought a new Samsung A50 at the Claro store. She even offered to pay for the coffee.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2362499]If you can lose a girl to a guy with a better body, or more money, you never had her in the first place..[/QUOTE]Are you really quoting a guy who misquoted me? Seriously? Don't let the fact that I didn't lose the girl to a guy with more money or a better body get in the way of your opinion though.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2362499]The whole "all Venezuelans" stuff is pure garbage.

I haven't had experience with all Venezuelans yet. [/QUOTE]Then why would you post anything else?

Let me ask you and ME this question then given your incredible "knowledge" on Venezuela.

Venezuela has larger oil reserves than Saudi Arabia so why is Saudi Arabia a rich country and Venezuela a poor one?

[QUOTE=Santrago;2362467]How's the scene in Santa Fe and Chapinero on Sunday and Monday night?

Going next week but only have time those nights, 9/1 and 9/2.

Santa Fe is always better not alone, so looking for a wingman. I want to try la 49 as well given the recent good reports.[/QUOTE]I have been hanging out with an ISG member, a cool guy. Maybe he will reach out to you like he did me. It was fun having a wing man, but I don't think Santa Fe is all that dangerous. I met up with Woodman one night. He is a great guy and gave me the lay of the land. I have been 4 X: once during the day by myself, once with Woodman, and twice with the other guy from ISG. I was with two girls from the street who were standing in front of the hotels. They were young, and they were okay. They didn't really know how to give head all that well and I negotiated oral without for 50 k with each of them.

I have been with Asakira twice. She is a 21 year old Venezuelan stripper who I think is at least a 9 and moves like a 10. I did TLN for $100 with her one night in my hotel. I saw her back at Troya and went upstairs with her. The sex was again unfucking real, and this time I paid around 70 k or $20.

After being with Asakira and talking to Woodman and the ISG member, I really saw no reason to go to any of the Chaperino spa places, casas, or high end clubs. It seems like a complete waste of money.

Routard's guide to Colombia is one of the best pieces I have seen written on this site, and I have read it two or three times. He did a great service to the forum with his guide.

We headed out to the clubs he mentioned in primer de mayo, and I don't think either of us were all that impressed. There were much more aggressive men pushing you into the clubs than in the Santa Fe area, and while the female: male ratio on a Saturday night was way better than Santa Fe, the prices weren't all that great. We were quoted 40 k for a show or lap dance, 100 k, and were told by one girl that she doesn't do shows. In Santa Fe, I paid 20 and 25 k for shows. Maybe if you found a great gal in primer de mayo, it would be worth going to, but I thought Santa Fe was safer, cheaper, and better.

I have been using Colombian Cupid, Latin American Cupid, and seeking arrangement to find regular women or semi-pros and it has been a lot of work, but it has yielded some very pleasant experiences. If you want GFE+++, that is the way to go.

When I was here and in Medellin a decade or so ago, I wasn't that impressed. The Colombian women appeared to be very scared, and I couldn't for the life of me get any one of them to kiss, give BBBJ or do GFE+++. I think what has changed at least for me has been using the google translator. Even though I only speak a little Spanish, I have been able to communicate with these women using GT with no problem at all, and that fear is gone. I can see why guys are so crazy for Colombian women now. They are really tender, loving, sweet, and good hearted. I still think the Brazilians overall perform better, but the Colombian women have made me feel much more special. They love to please their man.

Yeah, there are the idiot foreigners who have way overpaid some women and once a woman is paid a ton one time, she thinks that she is worth that from then on. I had one woman who wanted $300 for an hour, one who wanted $500 a day and went down to $400, and finally, an English speaking Colombian who wanted $700 for a whole day. I couldn't believe the women asked for this much and there are guys out there dumb enough to pay it.

I came to Colombia to find an intimate, sugar baby type relationship with a woman who has the potential to grow into more than that. I was hoping to find one prospect, and I have found three so far, and the trip is only half over.

I also found an amazing 19 year old swimsuit model who is kind of half of a sugar baby. I really don't know what term to use for a woman who fucks for money but won't fuck just anybody for money. The best I could come up with is sugar baby escort. Anyway, I invited her to Cancun and asked if she could find one of her modeling friends to come with her for a friend of mine. She was thrilled with the suggestion. She sent a picture of her friend and I asked that she bring her along the next time we met. She asked me, "Oh, you want to do a threesome?" That wasn't my intention but I wasn't going to say no.

It has been an amazing trip for me, and all I can say is God bless Colombia. If you can't have fun here, I am not sure you can have fun anywhere.

Well you're making me want to take this trip to Bogota.

Really enjoyed the write up.

Hope I can get this success like you did.

Maybe I can meet up you some time next month.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2362373]YK,

I get you guys are trying to be helpful, but the cynicism you and me show towards women is pretty incredible. I don't regret my relationship with my fiance it all. There is something to be said for wanting to lay in her arms all night versus just fuck, the special way a woman in love looks at you. I have been cynical too. I didn't think I could fall in love again, didn't think it was in me to want to be monogamous with someone again, but I did. We were together for 2 years. What broke us up was that she didn't understand how free markets were. This company she "worked" for was very slick, but that is all they were, and she, being from a socialist country, fell for a multilevel marketing scheme that I doubt she would have fell for if she lived in a capitalist country. People from Venezuela are different because of what they have been told, what they have seen, and you can talk to the average Colombian about Venezuelans, and they will share their views which are practically identical to mine.

It's different than when the USSR fell and Russian women stormed the scene in the late 1990's. Those women were kept in the dark, but it is similar in that Venezuelans have to learn the rules of capitalism. They come from a country where they see people eating out of the trash, leaders who derided capitalism but stuffed their pockets full of cash. The American Dream doesn't exist in Venezuela. If you work hard, had a long term perspective, and provided solutions in the market place, you were a sucker. The government would steal you blind..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2362499]

The whole "all Venezuelans" stuff is pure garbage.[/QUOTE]Haha, no doubt about it.

Obviously can't lump all people from a country in one basket.

As of lately, the coolest girls I'm meeting in Colombia are the Venezuelans.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2362651]I really don't know what term to use for a woman who fucks for money but won't fuck just anybody for money. [/QUOTE]A liar. That's what you call her when she tells you she's exclusive or selective. They're not. Unless you're completely repulsive they'll do you and just charge more.

Took a stroll down Santa Fe during daylight and the amount of women there is insane. All young hotties all over average price is 25,000 to 30,000 pesos- about 5 bucks. It is totally insane. I've been here several times and I've have not seen anything like it elsewhere. You will find anything to please your desires here.

Dude,

While it might be true in some cases, I did send 80 bucks a few months back to a Colombian girl I knew when she got laid off. I came back to Bogota and she just fucked me for 3 days and two nights (hell I'm still recuperating). All I has to do is get lunch / dinner and pay her cab to get her clothes from home on the second day. While I do speak Spanish I don't think is safe to assume all are gold digging leeches. On that note I bought some tequila to a young hottie in zona rosa. She came to my apartment all night with me. She was buzzing hard and just wanted to party. Cost? A bottle of tequila and her cab fare.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2362161]If you want to see the truth of #2, go hang out around Western Union and watch. You'll see the hot chicks go in to pick up money. They'll almost always have 2 guys with them. One is the boyfriend. The other is his friend. After they get the money, she'll take them out partying.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2362651]After being with Asakira and talking to Woodman and the ISG member, I really saw no reason to go to any of the Chaperino spa places, casas, or high end clubs. It seems like a complete waste of money.[/QUOTE]The problem with Santa Fe is that the girls are just way more used and disease ridden than the clubs or agency escorts. In general, I know there are exceptions. There was this guy on this forum whose strategy was to bareback as many girls in Santa Fe as possible. And he didn't like club girls or escorts because they refused to bareback with him. So the chances of getting something like Herpes or whatever is a lot higher with street girls. I don't judge anyone, but it's just not my scene.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2362651]............I also found an amazing 19 year old swimsuit model who is kind of half of a sugar baby. I really don't know what term to use for a woman who fucks for money but won't fuck just anybody for money...........[/QUOTE]I know what term to use.....a non-pro.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2362651]...............Yeah, there are the idiot foreigners who have way overpaid some women ..............[/QUOTE]I have no problem with foreigners overpaying Colombian working girls. I am happy for the girls to get a little extra cash. That way they can spend a little more money caring for themselves to look and feel better when its time to service me.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2362822]I am happy for the girls to get a little extra cash. That way they can spend a little more money caring for themselves to look and feel better when its time to service me.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you, Turgid, but the key phrase there is a little extra cash. It's hard to know exactly how much to give. It is easy to say no though when you have women demanding extreme amounts. So far, all the women I have been with have wanted to see me again.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2362820]I know what term to use.....a non-pro.[/QUOTE]

I like that term a lot better than liar.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2362677]

Obviously can't lump all people from a country in one basket.

As of lately, the coolest girls I'm meeting in Colombia are the Venezuelans.[/QUOTE]You get that most Venezuelans are in Colombia illegally right? That they practically have no rights?

My ex had a stalker in Peru. The Peruvian police were polite, but they basically told her that you are Venezuelan and you don't pay our salary, so we don't give a fuck about you.

And Peru has been much more generous to the Venezuelans than Colombia has.

Under Obama, a secret service agent stiffed a Colombian hooker and it was an international incident as the police took the hooker's side. What do you think the police would have done if the hooker was Venezuelan?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2362640]Are you really quoting a guy who misquoted me? Seriously?[/QUOTE]What I meant by this is after 3 days with my ex I had feelings for her and moved her to Peru. I really liked her but didn't love her or know her that well. I didn't know how she would react to the economic freedom and prosperity Peru offers in comparison to Venezuela. That is what I meant about losing her to a guy with more money or muscle bound guy.

We fell in love about 3 months after that move. It was two years later when I lost her to a con man.

As for the family always being in on my ex's action, they weren't. The first thing my ex did was beg me not to tell her parents. Her sister was straight up with me. She told me that my ex never strayed but called her crazy, told me that she had been to a doctor for narcissistic tendencies, and apologized for the rest of her family. I felt sorry for them for abruptly cutting them off on account of her, but the family refused to take a penny from me.

[QUOTE=MadraBidDog;2362775]Dude,

While it might be true in some cases, I did send 80 bucks a few months back to a Colombian girl I knew when she got laid off. I came back to Bogota and she just fucked me for 3 days and two nights (hell I'm still recuperating). All I has to do is get lunch / dinner and pay her cab to get her clothes from home on the second day. While I do speak Spanish I don't think is safe to assume all are gold digging leeches.[/QUOTE]MBD, the stereotypes these guys come up with aren't worth addressing. All women are the same, their families are the same, but stereotype on nationality? That isn't cool.

I can think of five different and easier ways to send money than Western Union. How would anyone know who sent the money and that these hot women are getting money from foreigners who have two (not one and not three) guys with them and the exact role these men play? Hang out at Western Union all day? All over a city?

Kudos to you on scoring big.

[QUOTE=SaintLaurent;2362809]The problem with Santa Fe is that the girls are just way more used and disease ridden than the clubs or agency escorts. In general, I know there are exceptions. There was this guy on this forum whose strategy was to bareback as many girls in Santa Fe as possible. And he didn't like club girls or escorts because they refused to bareback with him. So the chances of getting something like Herpes or whatever is a lot higher with street girls. I don't judge anyone, but it's just not my scene.[/QUOTE]So because one guy told you a story, you were able to deduce that a whole area is used and disease ridden? I would actually assume it was the opposite. MFs hiring agency chicks and escorts are paying top money so of course they are going to require shit they may not be able to get from a chick at a cheap spot. For instance those dudes in Dubai ordering up chicks paying all that money and shitting on chicks and the like.

Chicks at cheap places are not going to be down with that. In the words of a Calle 18 chick that I was fucking in Ecuador who would not stop playing with her phone, "It is only six dollars. " So who is going to get the stops pulled out? The dude paying $6 or the dude paying $200?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2362839]but the family refused to take a penny from me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2361857]Sigh, I met one in Aruba, flew out there, moved her to Peru. [b]Then moved her sibling and whole family there.[/b][/QUOTE]Not seeing the difference between me offering a chick $100 to go buy a microwave and her refusing it, and me going to the store and spending $100 on a microwave and handing it to the chick and her accepting it.

I could care less about money. What I care about is the shit that I can get with money. If someone is giving me all the shit then me not actually accepting the cash needed to spend on said shit is irrelevant.

Them not accepting money is not saying you did not spend money on them, as you have so eloquently stated that you did. Or is someone copying the exact same thing that you wrote once again a misquote as well?

I agree with you 100%. Some of these girls are just trying to make it and stereotyping ain't cool. These guys are just assuming there are lines at the western union of women waiting for money from dumb foreigners. I could tell many stories about my experiences in Colombia. Hell I get laid every day almost twice a day with awesome women when I travel Colombian women are awesome, shit I find worse women back home in the US than here.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2362846]MBD, the stereotypes these guys come up with aren't worth addressing. All women are the same, their families are the same, but stereotype on nationality? That isn't cool.

I can think of five different and easier ways to send money than Western Union. How would anyone know who sent the money and that these hot women are getting money from foreigners who have two (not one and not three) guys with them and the exact role these men play? Hang out at Western Union all day? All over a city?

Kudos to you on scoring big.[/QUOTE]

Does anybody avoid the Venezuelan girls? They usually go way cheaper but it comes to a higher risk. I personally prefer Colombians because is what I like but 6 bucks for a Venezuelan might be hard to pass up. Venezuelans lack healthcare, are more homily and hangout with a lot of unsavory individuals. Santa Fe has been completely overrun by Venezuelans many of the trafficked. I usually stick online for take out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2362863]
Them not accepting money is not saying you did not spend money on them, as you have so eloquently stated that you did.[/QUOTE]Sigh.

I flew the sister out 3 months after I was in love with my gal, and the parents were flown out six months later. That was when we were together.

After we broke up, the family wouldn't accept a penny from me.

I really am sorry that facts get in the way of your narrative that all women and their families are the same.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2362863]I could care less about money. What I care about is the shit that I can get with money.[/QUOTE]Right. You like to think you are total control of your money. You earned and deserved it. But if the central bank prints more and more money, your money and the shit you can buy becomes less and less, and that is out of your control.

And if a central bank did print money like crazy and devalued what you owned by 99+%, do you think maybe, possibly it would have some kind of an effect on you and the other people in that country? Eh, but it's not like there is a country where that recently actually happened or at least not one that you know about. Right?

[QUOTE=MadraBidDog;2362892]Does anybody avoid the Venezuelan girls? They usually go way cheaper but it comes to a higher risk. I personally prefer Colombians because is what I like but 6 bucks for a Venezuelan might be hard to pass up. Venezuelans lack healthcare, are more homily and hangout with a lot of unsavory individuals. Santa Fe has been completely overrun by Venezuelans many of the trafficked. I usually stick online for take out.[/QUOTE]Wow, You know a lot. I see tons of Venezuelan girls just as and more beautiful than Colombianas.

There are many girls who were students and did not do this kind of work in Venezuela.

There are all color of girl from the middle class and poor too.

Also prices are the same although there are more Venezuelans on the street. I don't know that the Colombianas are any different as far as healthcare.

The only thing that bothered me about the Venezuelan girls in Santa Fe was they almost universally had some fucked up, painted on eyebrows. Even with super-hot girls, it was something that was hard to ignore when making eye contact with them. I don't get it. For the most part, they didn't wear too much hooker makeup but 90% shaved their eyebrows and painted on something hideous. Is it some fashion-trend down there? If so, I can wait until it goes away.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2363098]The only thing that bothered me about the Venezuelan girls in Santa Fe was they almost universally had some fucked up, painted on eyebrows. Even with super-hot girls, it was something that was hard to ignore when making eye contact with them. I don't get it. For the most part, they didn't wear too much hooker makeup but 90% shaved their eyebrows and painted on something hideous. Is it some fashion-trend down there? If so, I can wait until it goes away.[/QUOTE]True that, that eyebrow shit reminds me of the Mexican cholo chics back in the day in the barrios of LOS Angeles CA. They did all kinds of shit to their eyebrows with some of them going as far as making themselves look like a clown.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2363098]The only thing that bothered me about the Venezuelan girls in Santa Fe was they almost universally had some fucked up, painted on eyebrows. Even with super-hot girls, it was something that was hard to ignore when making eye contact with them. I don't get it. For the most part, they didn't wear too much hooker makeup but 90% shaved their eyebrows and painted on something hideous. Is it some fashion-trend down there? If so, I can wait until it goes away.[/QUOTE]LOL. Did you talk to them about it? If I see a chick doing shit I consider strange then I ask them about it out of curiosity. And my guess is that they are tattooed on that way since makeup tattoo is the thing now. This is a chick I mess with in Dominican Republic. Women just tend to do dumb shit.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2362833]You get that most Venezuelans are in Colombia illegally right? That they practically have no rights?

My ex had a stalker in Peru. The Peruvian police were polite, but they basically told her that you are Venezuelan and you don't pay our salary, so we don't give a fuck about you.

And Peru has been much more generous to the Venezuelans than Colombia has.

Under Obama, a secret service agent stiffed a Colombian hooker and it was an international incident as the police took the hooker's side. What do you think the police would have done if the hooker was Venezuelan?[/QUOTE]Hmmm, Ok, so what does that have to do with if a girl is cool, good in the sack, GFE, etc?

I appreciate the lesson though, LOL.

[QUOTE=SaintLaurent;2362809]The problem with Santa Fe is that the girls are just way more used and disease ridden than the clubs or agency escorts. In general, I know there are exceptions. There was this guy on this forum whose strategy was to bareback as many girls in Santa Fe as possible. And he didn't like club girls or escorts because they refused to bareback with him. So the chances of getting something like Herpes or whatever is a lot higher with street girls. I don't judge anyone, but it's just not my scene.[/QUOTE]I could link studies and tell you how to really prevent getting herpes (PM if you want and BTW condoms don't prevent herpes), but I got a feeling this is more emotional than rational for you because it is for me too. The noise, the bed, the often loud music, the smell, the cheapness and unsanitary appearing conditions of the hotel rooms or rooms in the club often have made Elvis JR go limp. It wasn't an issue with Asakira because she turned me on so much, but it is a problem. I have to be really turned on by a woman on Santa Fe or I know it won't be any good.

It is anecdotal but one of the best books I ever read was Pimp by Iceberg Slim, and he had to deal with all kinds of working girls, and he proclaimed the young ones never got sick. Most of the Santa Fe women are young. Realistically, the health risks are the same in both places IMO, but if you have germophobia, I get it and you probably won't have a good time if you go.

And FWIW, maybe the less attractive women are willing to do BB, but I couldn't get any of the attractive ones I saw on Santa Fe to even give me a price. OTOH, the regular women I have met on my dates have almost all been a different story.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2363197]
I appreciate the lesson though, LOL.[/QUOTE]Why? You didn't understand it.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2363197]Hmmm, Ok, so what does that have to do with if a girl is cool, good in the sack, GFE, etc?[/QUOTE]I am not going to even go into the legal issues because God knows what some guys here would do if they understood them. What are the career choices a Venezuelan woman has in comparison to a Colombian one? Which type of woman has a tremendous incentive to perform better?

[QUOTE=MadraBidDog;2362892]Does anybody avoid the Venezuelan girls? They usually go way cheaper but it comes to a higher risk. I personally prefer Colombians because is what I like but 6 bucks for a Venezuelan might be hard to pass up. Venezuelans lack healthcare, are more homily and hangout with a lot of unsavory individuals.
Santa Fe has been completely overrun by Venezuelans many of the trafficked. [/QUOTE]Any guy trafficking women out of Venezuela is not evil. He is doing them a favor. Seriously. People are going hungry in Venezuela, and I think the average Venezuelan has lost something like 20 lbs. The average salary buys you like two hamburgers a month. The only thing keeping Venezuela afloat now is drug running and people wiring in money to the people there or bringing in hard currencies and goods through the black market.

There are pharmacies all over Santa Fe where almost all STD medications can be bought without a prescription and on the cheap, and the girls are young and most appear healthy so I wouldn't let the health issue scare you.

The young ones don't perform as well as the older women do in general, but at 6 bucks a pop, you can try out a lot and find a keeper. The first one I had was below average, the second was average, and the third was among the best I have ever had.

When I was out with Woodman, I said, "You know this place looks scary but it really isn't", and he said, "Yeah, it's not. " As long as you stay alert and don't get too drunk and watch your drinks, I think you will be fine.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2363246]Why? You didn't understand it.

I am not going to even go into the legal issues because God knows what some guys here would do if they understood them. What are the career choices a Venezuelan woman has in comparison to a Colombian one? Which type of woman has a tremendous incentive to perform better?[/QUOTE]Haha, thanks man, Of course I understand.

I've lived in Venezuela, live in Colombia and Brasil, speak very well, Portuguese and Spanish.

I get it, but again, thanks for the lesson, LOL. 🤪

[QUOTE=SureMan;2362675]Well you're making me want to take this trip to Bogota.

Really enjoyed the write up.

Hope I can get this success like you did.

Maybe I can meet up you some time next month.[/QUOTE]Sureman, I have a few more days here, but I am coming back in a few weeks. My goal was to find a South American sugar baby, and two so far have stood out to me, and I have to finalize things. However that smoking hot 19 year old I spoke of is really sweet, awesome in bed, and is GFE +++. She is a model and has friends too. If you PM me and we coordinate times, maybe I can make an introduction for you. 19 is too young IMO for being a SB for me, but she was so hot I wanted to see her.

Thing is that she is going to want more escort / prepago rates than Santa Fe rates, but she won't charge you by the hour and you can have MSOG if you want. If she were in the USA depending on the city, I bet she would go for $400 to $700 an hour.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2362833]You get that most Venezuelans are in Colombia illegally right? That they practically have no rights?

My ex had a stalker in Peru. The Peruvian police were polite, but they basically told her that you are Venezuelan and you don't pay our salary, so we don't give a fuck about you.

And Peru has been much more generous to the Venezuelans than Colombia has.

Under Obama, a secret service agent stiffed a Colombian hooker and it was an international incident as the police took the hooker's side. What do you think the police would have done if the hooker was Venezuelan?[/QUOTE]You get that most Venezuelans are in Colombia legally, right? They practically have the rights of citizens.

[URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/01/colombia-welcomes-millions-venezuelans-maduro-guaido/581647/[/URL]

And Peru has been much less generous to Venezuelans than Colombia.

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-migration-peru-idUSKCN1TH0M2[/URL]

Why yes. I think the police would have taken the girl's side if she was Venezuelan. She was the victim of a crime. While not all police are perfect, police tend to take the side of crime victims over criminals.

I have no opinion on your ex, her alleged stalker and the alleged Peruvian police response, since it seems to be impossible to be polite while saying "we don't give a fuck about you."

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2363237]I could link studies and tell you how to really prevent getting herpes (PM if you want and BTW condoms don't prevent herpes).............[/QUOTE]Why not share the link? Why keep it secret?

Hello ISG,

As always, Monday was pretty much slow, but like I always say too, there is a lot of fun in Bogota. You must come to Fourty Nine Night Club, I would say that it is the best here in Bogota.

Johny V.

[QUOTE=JohnyV;2363651]Hello ISG,

As always, Monday was pretty much slow, but like I always say too, there is a lot of fun in Bogota. You must come to Fourty Nine Night Club, I would say that it is the best here in Bogota.

Johny V.[/QUOTE]This is the place with the 26 mil beers?

[QUOTE=JohnyV;2363651]Hello ISG,

As always, Monday was pretty much slow, but like I always say too, there is a lot of fun in Bogota. You must come to Fourty Nine Night Club, I would say that it is the best here in Bogota.

Johny V.[/QUOTE]Are you a promoter for this Forty Nine Night Club? No offense, but you sound like a paid promoter.

This one works as a bill collector at a bank and makes $300 a month. She was great, definite SB material. Fluent in English. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/bc99349a-1deb-4419-b964-fc6ba636fa9e[/URL].

I fell in lust with this girl just based on her picture and went to Baranquilla just to see her. She was hot, showed up late, rushed out, and everything was covered. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/48f7ebcc-d004-474a-a99d-b2383e1cdc8e[/URL].

She offered to come to Bogota for $500 per day. I told her no. Fluent in English. Engineer making $600 a month.

First girl I saw may have been the most striking: [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f87735fa-4fbf-42e5-94ce-3134b8e88181[/URL].

She is 19, a model, tall, sweet as could be, and would look good on anyone's arm. If you want a just plan fun and hot SB, she is the one. It's crazy I am giving this one up. Not much English though.

Another pretty nice girl here too: [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2c12e77d-b3b1-481e-a2ae-0a682c432dbb[/URL].

She was 22, doesn't show teeth in her pics because they are chipped, nose is a little crooked, but she is thin, fit, and tight. Nice but not incredibly sweet. English was not good.

This one was a total waste of time. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/54209747-add9-4444-b3f6-e2da4afa6936[/URL].

She was smart but heavier than her pics, wanted $300 for an hour with everything covered, and gave me some sob story about her dad. She is a law student. Poor English.

If you are the intellectual type and need a hot healer, Sandy may be for you, but she isn't cheap. She wanted $800 for the day and for the right guy she could be worth it. In top 3 I saw in terms of looks. Fluent English. Used to live in NYC. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2ff19369-a524-4009-8b8d-35185c76e55f[/URL].

Chloe was cool. Great English. Very Fit, fashionable, tight but her body was kind of shaped a little weird. SB material for sure. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e9ed7422-33b2-4ccd-a928-a2bd933dbf5c[/URL].

Other ones I am keeping to myself, but I had a helluva week! Thanks for all those who helped make this trip such a success.

I have been on SA on and off for close to a decade. When I first started, I was stunned at the beautiful and somewhat normal women I got from the site. Eventually, I got tired of the transactional nature of the site, and strippers and hooker types polluting the site asking, "How much?" What was once a much cleaner pool had become soiled, so I went abroad.

The response rate in Colombia was amazing, but I saw Brazil and Argentina may have potential as well. Anyway, the women I met in Colombia sent me back to SA and the good old days and in some ways better than the gold old days.

The last date I had in Colombia was a cute medical student who didn't even know what an arrangement was, but once I explained it to her, she was good with doing one. The more experienced women spoke English, would ask you to pay for an Uber or cab, and were pretty up front about a price. Unlike in the USA, about 75% of the time we were doing the deed on the first date but the Colombian women were not as hardened overall as the American ones. One took a bus for over an hour to see me. I mentioned the ripoff artists, but one woman tried to give the amount we agreed upon back to me, and another made the point it was not about the money and didn't even look at how much I gave her.

I never thought I would see women better orally than Brazilians. In my experience, Brazil has Colombia beat technique wise, but several times, I had to ask the women to stop so we could go at it. They loved sucking cock and were good at it. This was the opposite of the Chris Rock joke where American married men get the same lazy ass blowjob. "The woman does two licks and asks 'is it hard? Put it in. I got laundry to do. ".

Every woman I met was either a professional or studying to be one. From what I recall there was a Medical student, 2 law students, lawyer, teacher, a few engineers, banker, accounting student, international relations student, professional translator. They were all Colombians except one woman who was half Colombian and half Venezuelan.

I went onto to the escort sites for pricing. I looked at the women and compared them to the reasonably priced escort sites and offered up what I thought would be the equivalent rate of one hour to similar looking escorts. Most the women stayed for multiple hours though, there were MSOG, and even though the Colombian government was pushing condom use hard, I had my GFE++ experience with all of them. All the women asked to see me again, so I am sure that I could have gotten the prices with some of them even lower than I did. Still, I had a budget for fun on the trip and didn't even use it all up.

It seems like half the time I have mentioned price on a forum in the past some nimrod thinks he could do better. If that is your game, head to Santa Fe. I got my brains fucked out there for $20 and had good times for $10. I was looking for more SB and less hooker, and I got what I wanted.

If any American woman today on SA had less than 20 partners, I would call them out for lying their asses off, but many of the women I met in Colombia were very nervous. Like I said, they had to have an arrangement explained. The two women I met in Baranquilla I am sure have seen dozens and maybe three figures of guys, but Bogota was much different. Many had been in long term relationships, and I was stunned at how few partners the women had when I asked. The reason I asked was because the women were showing me the little things that less experienced women do, and I asked after the deed was done. No doubt more experienced women will flock to SA in the future, but for now, the pool was pretty clean. What I saw were pretty normal women who just needed some extra cash like I saw with SA in 2009.

I am not sure what I am going to do with my finalists. Keep them all in some way, cut the number, or wean the pack down to a single winner. I was hoping for one, possibly two decent SB candidates. I never dreamed I would end up with five. Colombia has been berry, berry good to me.

Thanks for sharing great report on SA. I am planning to go Bogota some time in Sep. Started looking at the girls listed at SA and many of them are really hot.

What is typical donation for these girls on SA. Do they expect long term relationship or open for short term?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2364253]I have been on SA on and off for close to a decade. When I first started, I was stunned at the beautiful and somewhat normal women I got from the site. Eventually, I got tired of the transactional nature of the site, and strippers and hooker types polluting the site asking, "How much?" What was once a much cleaner pool had become soiled, so I went abroad.

The response rate in Colombia was amazing, but I saw Brazil and Argentina may have potential as well. Anyway, the women I met in Colombia sent me back to SA and the good old days and in some ways better than the gold old days.

The last date I had in Colombia was a cute medical student who didn't even know what an arrangement was, but once I explained it to her, she was good with doing one. The more experienced women spoke English, would ask you to pay for an Uber or cab, and were pretty up front about a price. Unlike in the USA, about 75% of the time we were doing the deed on the first date but the Colombian women were not as hardened overall as the American ones. One took a bus for over an hour to see me. I mentioned the ripoff artists, but one woman tried to give the amount we agreed upon back to me, and another made the point it was not about the money and didn't even look at how much I gave her..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2360832]Well said. I think time is needed to get in good with a girl from any culture other than your own. I once had a great LTR with a Peruvian / Costa Rican mix, but that's only because she came up to NY for college and we had the time to get to know each other (and I had time to learn culture and Spanish).

I believe what you've said to be true for girls from Bogota, Medellin, Cali, Cartagena, ect, but as someone who has lived and traveled a lot in Colombia, I'm curious to know your thoughts about girls from smaller towns, or even remote areas like Mitu, or Inirida. I certainly haven't been everywhere in the country, but the out-of-way places I have been to, I've found girls to be a little hesitant at first, but then very interested and receptive to foreigners that have a grasp of Spanish and interest in their culture. In my opinion, it's easier to develop a LTR in lesser visited places. What's your opinion on the subject?[/QUOTE]They can be more naive but I think it wears off quickly, unless you're willing to live the small town life with her wherever she is.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2360929]This makes me think of something I encounter with chicks. What does culture have to do with anything? In my opinion shit. I am always taken aback when a chick says you don't understand because you are not from my culture. Or this is not working because we are from different cultures. As if being from the same culture makes everything peechy keen.

I then ask, well what happened with your last boyfriend. He cheated on me, or he was an abuser, or he didn't show me enough attention, etc. But aren't you from the same culture? Works the same way with religion. They want a guy that is Christian. But wasn't the last mf that was beating on your ass and cheating on you Christian? I think I am too logical for many people.

P. S. I did get an MBA in International Business because I like to study different cultures. But I have found that when male-female relationships are concerned, except for a couple of customs, cultural differences really play no factor. You can see this when people in the military go all over the world marrying people from different countries. That corporal in the Army can not say kiss my ass in Korean, but he and his wife and their 2 kids seem to be getting along just fine.[/QUOTE]It's definitely true that relationships are fucked up whether you're from the same culture or not. But I think that in order to play the game properly, you need a good understanding of the local culture as there are a lot of indicators you can use to predict behavior.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2363894]Are you a promoter for this Forty Nine Night Club? No offense, but you sound like a paid promoter.[/QUOTE]He probably is. But I will say this. 49 is open all the time and it's still got action when everything else is dead.

It has gotten hella expensive though. My favorite is still PH, hands down.

Venezuelan girls may not be ETHICALLY better or worse than anybody else but there is one crucial factor not to forget.

Many Venezuelans have huge health issues because 1) they have those useless Cuban doctors over there 2) they come here with no health insurance and the government here doesn't do a damn thing to check them out as they cross the border.

So they are actually a much bigger disease risk than Colombians. And I"m not even just talking STI's I'm talking shit like polio, smallpox, etc. Caveat emptor.

My friend, you are spreading false information.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2364825]...1) they have those useless Cuban doctors over there...

So they are actually a much bigger disease risk than Colombians. And I"m not even just talking STI's I'm talking shit like polio, smallpox, etc. Caveat emptor.[/QUOTE]1) There is no problem with the training of Cuban doctors. Maduro has managed to use the Cuban doctors for political ends (as he has with everything) forcing them to withhold medical treatment from political opponents, but it is incorrect to blame the doctors themselves.

There is a huge problem with under vaccinations for preventable diseases in Venezuela, and there is an epidemic of measles (as there is in the US) and diptheria, but not poliomyelitis or small pox. Diseases just don't drop from the sky. They have to be brought from somewhere. Smallpox was eradicated in 1980.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2364825]Venezuelan girls may not be ETHICALLY better or worse than anybody else but there is one crucial factor not to forget.

Many Venezuelans have huge health issues because 1) they have those useless Cuban doctors over there 2) they come here with no health insurance and the government here doesn't do a damn thing to check them out as they cross the border.

So they are actually a much bigger disease risk than Colombians. And I"m not even just talking STI's I'm talking shit like polio, smallpox, etc. Caveat emptor.[/QUOTE]What a bunch of BS lies you are making here. I've been to Cuba plenty of times and meet people from other countries who are training to be doctors in Cuba. Cuban doctors have excellent training. Keep your personal vendettas or hatred of another country to yourself. Definetly not wanted here.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2364953]My friend, you are spreading false information.

1) There is no problem with the training of Cuban doctors. Maduro has managed to use the Cuban doctors for political ends (as he has with everything) forcing them to withhold medical treatment from political opponents, but it is incorrect to blame the doctors themselves.

There is a huge problem with under vaccinations for preventable diseases in Venezuela, and there is an epidemic of measles (as there is in the US) and diptheria, but not poliomyelitis or small pox. Diseases just don't drop from the sky. They have to be brought from somewhere. Smallpox was eradicated in 1980.[/QUOTE]You guys can get sand in your vaginas all you want. The fact is that the medical system in Ven is so bad that diseases that have previously been eradicated are coming back. And there are thousands of documented cases in hospitals all over Colombia. Including smallpox and polio.

Feel free to ignore my advice and get sick. I won't give a damn.

I give the Ven girls a pass here in Bogotá and am happy with my decision. Colombian girls turn me on more anyways and are much more interesting and tend to be way cleaner. You do you.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2365011]... Including smallpox and polio...

[/QUOTE]This is false. Smallpox has been eradicated (in the wild, on Earth) since 1980. There are only three countries where poliomyelitis is still endemic: Pakistan, Afghanistan and Nigeria. It is possible that an infected person could reintroduce polio to Venezuela given the low vaccination rates; however, it has not occurred.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2365011]You guys can get sand in your vaginas all you want. The fact is that the medical system in Ven is so bad that diseases that have previously been eradicated are coming back. And there are thousands of documented cases in hospitals all over Colombia. Including smallpox and polio.

Feel free to ignore my advice and get sick. I won't give a damn.

I give the Ven girls a pass here in Bogot and am happy with my decision. Colombian girls turn me on more anyways and are much more interesting and tend to be way cleaner. You do you.[/QUOTE]I guy who speaks knowingly without facts. Shouldn't be allowed to speak on a site like this. A person like this will continue to speak with ignorance.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2365011]You guys can get sand in your vaginas all you want. The fact is that the medical system in Ven is so bad that diseases that have previously been eradicated are coming back. And there are thousands of documented cases in hospitals all over Colombia. Including smallpox and polio.

Feel free to ignore my advice and get sick. I won't give a damn.

I give the Ven girls a pass here in Bogot and am happy with my decision. Colombian girls turn me on more anyways and are much more interesting and tend to be way cleaner. You do you.[/QUOTE]Fake news and propaganda. Indeed brother you do you. But don't write shit without backing it up.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2364825]Many Venezuelans have huge health issues because 1) they have those useless Cuban doctors over there

So they are actually a much bigger disease risk than Colombians. And I"m not even just talking STI's I'm talking shit like polio, smallpox, etc. Caveat emptor.[/QUOTE]

To a person, every Venezuelan I have talked to says the Cuban doctors in Venezuela were bad, much worse than the Venezuelan ones. I was surprised because I thought Cuban doctors were decent.

As to diseases, you have a point, but you just named the diseases wrong. The irony is that my ex's room mate got mumps, and I was able to pay for her to get vaccinated and she had only a mild case. Obviously this isn't an option for many Venezuelan refugees. FWIW, mumps can be transmitted via contact, sexual or otherwise.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2364825]Venezuelan girls may not be ETHICALLY better or worse than anybody else but there is one crucial factor not to forget.[/QUOTE]

If anyone can tell me the difference in economic culture between a strip club and Venezuela / a Venezuelan, I would appreciate it. A short term transaction with a stripper or Venezuelan girl has the potential to be fun even better than a nonstripper or Colombian. But investing long term in a stripper or in Venezuela / a Venezuelan has been and should be expected to be a disaster. Neither has appreciation for the long term. Investing in Colombia or a Colombian woman long term IMO has at least the potential to be profitable.

So a Venezuelan leaving for Colombia is like a stripper leaving the club. I think it is a mistake to assume that the Venezuelan economic culture / stripper culture is not still a part of the woman. You really don't know what you are going to get. To just assume that a Venezuelan in Colombia is worthy of the same level of trust long term as a native Colombian is IMO a big mistake. It is undeniable that Colombians have seen how long term investment has paid off whereas Venezuelans have not.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2364661]Thanks for sharing great report on SA. I am planning to go Bogota some time in Sep. Started looking at the girls listed at SA and many of them are really hot.

What is typical donation for these girls on SA. Do they expect long term relationship or open for short term?[/QUOTE]Donations are all over the place. I would expect any woman who has been with an American or other foreigner to expect and / or demand much more. The numbers mentioned by either me or the girls ranged from $50 to $800, but I really think the best way to go about is to not bring up an amount. Unlike American women who always want specifics now, about half of the Colombian women didn't even bring up a number before the deed was done. I could see how guys could take advantage of it but I rewarded these women if they gave a great effort, and most all of them did.

As for short term, long term, they seemed to be up for anything. In general though, I think you should play it as if there is potential for a long term payoff as you are going to be visiting Bogota frequently even if you aren't.

I mentioned to the 19 year old model going to Cancun and giving a $100 per day while we were there. I also asked her to bring a friend. Her phone was blowing up as she called her friends jumping at the offer. I am not going to do it, and I can say that is too much as the Colombian women unlike so many American ones desperately wanted to travel. I think $200 plus travel expenses for a week or maybe even $100 a week would easily get you a travel companion.

To me, Mexico makes the most sense as a meeting place for a long term relationship with a Colombian. The women don't need a visa for Mexico unlike the USA And I have several flights a day from where I live to Cancun and Mexico City. The escorts in Cancun charge USA Prices, and Mexico City, while way cheaper than Cancun, is not the best mongering scene, so it makes sense to bring in a Colombian woman. I frequently mentioned to the women I wanted a travel companion, and I do.

The big issue with getting a woman as travel companion is many of the women I met worked and they had a six day work week. Also, many were college students and had limited time off as well.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2365126]To a person, every Venezuelan I have talked to says the Cuban doctors in Venezuela were bad, much worse than the Venezuelan ones. I was surprised because I thought Cuban doctors were decent.[/QUOTE]
So what doctors are going around doing all these plastic surgeries in Venezuela? Cubans or Venezuelans? Whichever it is, it is obvious that the women have no qualms about going to them since half of them are surgeried up. Not to mention the Colombians that went over there to get it because it was cheaper.

Flight was delayed due to mechanical issues. Had to walk across the airport to another gate and plane. Luckily the airline was prepared with another plane to take off.

Arrived around 12:45 am. Breezed through customs because they no longer require immigration documents to be completed if you have nothing to declare. Arrive at hotel, drop off bags and headed for Sante Fe.

Got to Sante Fe around 1:30 am. Street scene had dwindled but still some prospect. Headed to Paisas. A few hotties in there but wanted to see what Fiebre offered. Found a 23 year old tall canela skinned Paisa named Dulce. Agreed on 80 k for 30 minutes. Chose because of large enhanced ass. She didn't disappoint. She was soaking wet from the start and let me pound it out with jet let dick. Pictures of the ass attached.

Went out satisfied but never really LOL. Seen a street sweety 21 year old Venezuelana. Offered me 30 k for 30 minutes. Took it and spent the 30 minutes working up a sweat and finished for a second time.

Absolutely satisfied and tired, I headed back to hotel and slept dreaming about Cali.

[QUOTE=Global00;2365288]Got to Sante Fe around 1:30 am. Street scene had dwindled but still some prospect. Headed to Paisas. A few hotties in there but wanted to see what Fiebre offered. Found a 23 year old tall canela skinned Paisa named Dulce. Agreed on 80 k for 30 minutes. Chose because of large enhanced ass. She didn't disappoint.

Went out satisfied but never really LOL. Seen a street sweety 21 year old Venezuelana. Offered me 30 k for 30 minutes. Took it and spent the 30 minutes working up a sweat and finished for a second time.

Absolutely satisfied and tired, I headed back to hotel[/QUOTE]You went to Santa Fe at 1:30 am?! You make everything sound so easy. That is because it is easy. All these guys being afraid to go there alone and saying to only go in the daytime are way off the mark.

I am planning a trip to Bogota in end of Sept. / Oct. I would like to start creating facebook acct / connecting with girls before going there. Any suggestions / pointers on getting started with the same?

Also exploring SA to see if I shall connect with them. I am new to SA and trying to figure how it works for one of trips.

Thanks in advance.

Hello ISG,

As always, Bogota is a wonderful place to be, last night we have a lot of fun out on the streets, we went to Pasarela Night Club, which is a very good spot to go, prices on alcohol are almost the same as any club in Santa Fe, girls are very good looking. In the daytime, we have lunch in a very nice Italian restaurant on the walking street called La Romana, whenever you come here do not be afraid of walking here, is not dangerous, and if you want any advice just contact me.

Johny V.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2365357]I am planning a trip to Bogota in end of Sept. / Oct. I would like to start creating facebook acct / connecting with girls before going there. Any suggestions / pointers on getting started with the same?

Also exploring SA to see if I shall connect with them. I am new to SA and trying to figure how it works for one of trips.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Save yourself all that trouble, and just take a stroll through Santa Fe. Or, walk Caracas Ave and hit up the brothels in Chapinero. There's no need to use any electronic devices. You'll have plenty of options. Find a hotel close by, put only enough cash in your pocket that you're willing to spend for the night next to a few condoms, and go enjoy yourself.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2365357]I am planning a trip to Bogota in end of Sept. / Oct. I would like to start creating facebook acct / connecting with girls before going there.[/QUOTE]That is more of a Medellin thing. It is not a Bogota thing.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2365357]
Also exploring SA to see if I shall connect with them. I am new to SA and trying to figure how it works for one of trips.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]SamPeter, unless you are trying to get a SB or GF, don't bother with SA. Of all the women I had in Bogota, the best sexual experience was with a Venezuelan from Santa Fe, and it required no planning.

[QUOTE=Confiable;2365073]I guy who speaks knowingly without facts. Shouldn't be allowed to speak on a site like this. A person like this will continue to speak with ignorance.[/QUOTE]I think my 2 decades on here and posts in the 4 digits speak for themselves.

I have friends in the medical industry here who tell me these things. I'm not going to bother arguing with the likes of your ass. If you don't like it, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. I'm not going anywhere.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2365182]So what doctors are going around doing all these plastic surgeries in Venezuela? Cubans or Venezuelans? Whichever it is, it is obvious that the women have no qualms about going to them since half of them are surgeried up. Not to mention the Colombians that went over there to get it because it was cheaper.[/QUOTE]You can actually tell if the doctor was COL or not just by how the surgery looks after. Smart people will get it done here.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2365512]That is more of a Medellin thing. It is not a Bogota thing.[/QUOTE]This is very true. You probably wouldn't even get a response on Facebook unless you actually have friends in common etc.

If your Spanish is on point and you look OK, Tinder is a good option apparently, although I've never bothered myself.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2365591]If your Spanish is on point and you look OK, Tinder is a good option apparently, although I've never bothered myself.[/QUOTE]Not my lane at all. My lane is nonpros on Cupid. The couple of times that I have even gotten an answer from a chick on Tinder in Bogota, it has been a couple of weeks after I left. Once again, in Medellin Tinder works fine for hookers. Might be better in Bogota to just use the normal sites where hookers advertise freely if your plan is to find a hooker online. Much easier and cheaper just to drag your ass down to Santa Fe rather than deal with online shit anyway.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2365615]Not my lane at all. My lane is nonpros on Cupid. The couple of times that I have even gotten an answer from a chick on Tinder in Bogota, it has been a couple of weeks after I left. Once again, in Medellin Tinder works fine for hookers. Might be better in Bogota to just use the normal sites where hookers advertise freely if your plan is to find a hooker online. Much easier and cheaper just to drag your ass down to Santa Fe rather than deal with online shit anyway.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I use Mileroticos etc. From time to time for niche shit I'm looking for. Most of the time it's a royal PITA. For one thing, it's hard to get a girl to meet you after 6-7 pm.

It has to do with their original look (I. E, not full or sparsely distributed), so their next best (cheap) alternative is to get them tattooed. So from far away it looks decent, however, it looks unnatural upfront. If they didn't get it tattooed, then it would look bad both far and nearby. I asked this once and was informed such.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2363169]LOL. Did you talk to them about it? If I see a chick doing shit I consider strange then I ask them about it out of curiosity. And my guess is that they are tattooed on that way since makeup tattoo is the thing now. This is a chick I mess with in Dominican Republic. Women just tend to do dumb shit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2365182]So what doctors are going around doing all these plastic surgeries in Venezuela? Cubans or Venezuelans?[/QUOTE]They are mostly Venezuelan. Cuba has some plastic surgery and doctors who do them, but it is nothing like in Venezuela. I've heard the Venezuelan surgeons are good.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2365182]Whichever it is, it is obvious that the women have no qualms about going to them since half of them are surgeried up. Not to mention the Colombians that went over there to get it because it was cheaper.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it's a third to half the price of Colombia, and I think you can find good and bad surgeons everywhere, but you got the lack of medication like antibiotics and anti-inflammatory pills in Venezuela and people were told to bring in their own. Then you got the power going off potentially, getting mugged to and from the surgery site. It's cheaper but there is definitely a lot more risk.

[QUOTE=Santrago;2362467]How's the scene in Santa Fe and Chapinero on Sunday and Monday night?

Going next week but only have time those nights, 9/1 and 9/2.

Santa Fe is always better not alone, so looking for a wingman. I want to try la 49 as well given the recent good reports.

I'm young and like to party / drink, I'm fluent in Spanish.

Hit me up if I'm Bogota those dates.[/QUOTE]Hey Santrago,

I happen to be in Bogota tonight 9/1 and leaving tomorrow (Mon). Used to live in Bogotá and fairly familiar with Santa Fe. If you'the like to let meet up let me know.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2365737]They are mostly Venezuelan. Cuba has some plastic surgery and doctors who do them, but it is nothing like in Venezuela. I've heard the Venezuelan surgeons are good.

Yeah, it's a third to half the price of Colombia, and I think you can find good and bad surgeons everywhere, but you got the lack of medication like antibiotics and anti-inflammatory pills in Venezuela and people were told to bring in their own. Then you got the power going off potentially, getting mugged to and from the surgery site. It's cheaper but there is definitely a lot more risk.[/QUOTE]Anyone planning to get something like Surgery in Venezuela under the current circumstances is a fool. Pure and simple as that. There are things and times where you just can't look at money as the first priority.

[QUOTE=Quiksilver;2365778]Hey Santrago,

I happen to be in Bogota tonight 9/1 and leaving tomorrow (Mon). Used to live in Bogot and fairly familiar with Santa Fe. If you'the like to let meet up let me know.[/QUOTE]Hey man, it seems you don't have private message option, it's nearly to impossible to meet without that.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2365617]Agreed. I use Mileroticos etc. From time to time for niche shit I'm looking for. Most of the time it's a royal PITA. For one thing, it's hard to get a girl to meet you after 6-7 pm.[/QUOTE]In Medellin. Facebook.

In Bogota. Twitter.

Just search "prepago" or "masaje" on Twitter and you'll find plenty of options. Not that you need that source.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2365145]Donations are all over the place. I would expect any woman who has been with an American or other foreigner to expect and / or demand much more. The numbers mentioned by either me or the girls ranged from $50 to $800, but I really think the best way to go about is to not bring up an amount. Unlike American women who always want specifics now, about half of the Colombian women didn't even bring up a number before the deed was done. I could see how guys could take advantage of it but I rewarded these women if they gave a great effort, and most all of them did.

As for short term, long term, they seemed to be up for anything. In general though, I think you should play it as if there is potential for a long term payoff as you are going to be visiting Bogota frequently even if you aren't.

I mentioned to the 19 year old model going to Cancun and giving a $100 per day while we were there. I also asked her to bring a friend. Her phone was blowing up as she called her friends jumping at the offer. I am not going to do it, and I can say that is too much as the Colombian women unlike so many American ones desperately wanted to travel. I think $200 plus travel expenses for a week or maybe even $100 a week would easily get you a travel companion..[/QUOTE]Elvis and ISG.

I have had similar thoughts, including potentially Venezuelan "refugee" girls. Since I lived on the beach near Tijuana (Rosarito) for 8 years. I wonder if Rosarito Beach or Ensenada would qualify as vacation destinations in their minds. Even better, would they like to actually relocate / assimilate in Mexico. Would they be able to board a plane as a tourist with what a cedula? Will Mexico even care about papers? They never did with me. And what to offer them? Weekly stipend for fun then Food & shelter, employment? What I have in mind would pay better then most Colombian salaries but no guarantee if they didn't make an effort. Worse case a month trial and go home with $X dollars and some good times. Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2365826]Anyone planning to get something like Surgery in Venezuela under the current circumstances is a fool. Pure and simple as that. There are things and times where you just can't look at money as the first priority.[/QUOTE]GH, I agree with you. I wouldn't do it. It is not rational but then many times plastic surgery, especially when mixed with women, isn't.

Thank you Elvis. I live this type of arrangements and you seems to have experience.

I would like to travel the world and have few girl connections who are open to travel with me. These prices you mentioned make me think I shall travel every month for a week.

I will start building connections and will reach out to you for help with on initial connections if you are OK with the same.

I can adjust my travel dates based on their availability as I don't have any fixed schedule job and flexible work / remote work.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2365145]Donations are all over the place. I would expect any woman who has been with an American or other foreigner to expect and / or demand much more. The numbers mentioned by either me or the girls ranged from $50 to $800, but I really think the best way to go about is to not bring up an amount. Unlike American women who always want specifics now, about half of the Colombian women didn't even bring up a number before the deed was done. I could see how guys could take advantage of it but I rewarded these women if they gave a great effort, and most all of them did.

As for short term, long term, they seemed to be up for anything. In general though, I think you should play it as if there is potential for a long term payoff as you are going to be visiting Bogota frequently even if you aren't..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2365587]I think my 2 decades on here and posts in the 4 digits speak for themselves.

I have friends in the medical industry here who tell me these things. I'm not going to bother arguing with the likes of your ass. If you don't like it, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. I'm not going anywhere.[/QUOTE]Four digits. AND? When you make blank statements about Cuban Doctors. Your ignorance is showing.

Def. Could use a seasoned wingman (knows Bogota) 9/26-9/30.

Or a play by play that will prove nearly flawless. If that's even possible.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Santrago;2365894]Hey man, it seems you don't have private message option, it's nearly to impossible to meet without that.[/QUOTE]

I am planning to book a week or 2 trip to Bogota. Before I do the same, I have read lots pf post here. Thanks for all the detailed and informative posts. I have one question on types of girls available at Bogota.

I am more into petite light skinned co ed type of girls. Is this something that I can expect to find in Bogota?

When I look at in facebook and SA, I see lot of such girls. I watched lot of video on youtube about Bogota girls and most of them I find chubby by my standards.

I am bit confused whether what I see in youtube in real picture of Bogota or what I see in facebook / SA. Am I missing something?

Does Bogota offers petite co ed GND type girls or only chubby / fat girls? How is the quality of girls compared to HK Tijuana and Montreal.

I am hoping to go there in last 2 weeks of Sep.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Confiable;2366632]Four digits. AND? When you make blank statements about Cuban Doctors. Your ignorance is showing.[/QUOTE]This is off topic and nobody cares about your opinion.

Like I said, bareback all the Venezuelan prepagos you want. We don't care. My advice to everybody else is to be careful with those girls because there is an elevated risk.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2367104]I am planning to book a week or 2 trip to Bogota. Before I do the same, I have read lots pf post here. Thanks for all the detailed and informative posts. I have one question on types of girls available at Bogota.

I am more into petite light skinned co ed type of girls. Is this something that I can expect to find in Bogota?

When I look at in facebook and SA, I see lot of such girls. I watched lot of video on youtube about Bogota girls and most of them I find chubby by my standards.

I am bit confused whether what I see in youtube in real picture of Bogota or what I see in facebook / SA. Am I missing something?

Does Bogota offers petite co ed GND type girls or only chubby / fat girls? How is the quality of girls compared to HK Tijuana and Montreal.

I am hoping to go there in last 2 weeks of Sep.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]YouTube videos aren't your best source of information. If someone likes big asses, the only show girls with big asses.

Bogota is a city of 10 million people. Whatever you're looking for, you can find it there.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2367298]This is off topic and nobody cares about your opinion.

Like I said, bareback all the Venezuelan prepagos you want. We don't care. My advice to everybody else is to be careful with those girls because there is an elevated risk.[/QUOTE]I know you have to change the topic because your statement was baseless. Enough said.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2365617]Agreed. I use Mileroticos etc. From time to time for niche shit I'm looking for. Most of the time it's a royal PITA. For one thing, it's hard to get a girl to meet you after 6-7 pm.[/QUOTE]Not only in Santa Fe, but Chapinero, there are a lot of day houses where you can pick any hooker, they are cheaper and beautiful too. They will treat you as well as you treat them, nice asses, big tits.

So, you'd suggest parking in Chapinero for 4 days? A newbee to Bogota.

[QUOTE=JohnyV;2367608]Not only in Santa Fe, but Chapinero, there are a lot of day houses where you can pick any hooker, they are cheaper and beautiful too. They will treat you as well as you treat them, nice asses, big tits.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2366244]
I have had similar thoughts, including potentially Venezuelan "refugee" girls. Since I lived on the beach near Tijuana (Rosarito) for 8 years. I wonder if Rosarito Beach or Ensenada would qualify as vacation destinations in their minds. Even better, would they like to actually relocate / assimilate in Mexico. Would they be able to board a plane as a tourist with what a cedula? Will Mexico even care about papers? They never did with me. And what to offer them? Weekly stipend for fun then Food & shelter, employment? What I have in mind would pay better then most Colombian salaries but no guarantee if they didn't make an effort. Worse case a month trial and go home with $X dollars and some good times. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]DC, if you want a woman from Venezuela, she is going to have to have a passport and you have to fly her out of Venezuela which isn't cheap, and you won't be able to get a tourist visa to go there if you are American.

If you want a Venezuelan already in Colombia, and that makes much more sense because you can actually meet her first, the airfare will be cheaper but she still is going to need a passport. If she doesn't have one, I would pass because you are looking at a lot of time and expense getting her one.

Now, where are you going to meet her? I think you would have 100's of guys telling you to not make a LTR deal with any of the working girls, and that probably is a good idea. Still, I think Venezuelans unlike so many women in other countries HAD to be prostitutes. I was told that there are a lot of "normal" Venezuelan girls working the streets FWIW.

As far as what to pay, the minimum wage in Colombia is around 300 bucks a month, so I'd offer that or a little over that, and every one of the women I talked to whether Colombian or Venezuelan was thrilled to go a beach in Mexico. I don't think they care too much where it is, but everyone knows Cancun.

In Mexico, Venezuelans are going to get hassled a lot more than Colombians at customs, because they fear the Venezuelans will overstay their welcome illegally, and I have mentioned my disdain for LTR with Venezuelans. I personally think it is a lot easier and a lot less hassle for you to find a Colombian citizen over a Venezuelan refugee to get what you want. If you can find a Colombian student who can get credit at a university near to you, that would be ideal. I met quite a few starving Colombian students when I was there.

I was just there tonight and there are white, black, latinas, Spinner, plumper, natural, enhanced, midget girls in Santa Fe. So many hot girls, so little time.

I boned so many girls there I lose track. I run into girls that I had smashed and had been fantastic and want to do again, but there always seems to be some new hot ass girl in town.

LOL, I will slip them 2 mil cause I want to hit it in a week or so.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2367104]I am planning to book a week or 2 trip to Bogota. Before I do the same, I have read lots pf post here. Thanks for all the detailed and informative posts. I have one question on types of girls available at Bogota.

I am more into petite light skinned co ed type of girls. Is this something that I can expect to find in Bogota?

When I look at in facebook and SA, I see lot of such girls. I watched lot of video on youtube about Bogota girls and most of them I find chubby by my standards.

I am bit confused whether what I see in youtube in real picture of Bogota or what I see in facebook / SA. Am I missing something?

Does Bogota offers petite co ed GND type girls or only chubby / fat girls? How is the quality of girls compared to HK Tijuana and Montreal.

I am hoping to go there in last 2 weeks of Sep.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2367716]DC, if you want a woman from Venezuela, she is going to have to have a passport and you have to fly her out of Venezuela which isn't cheap, and you won't be able to get a tourist visa to go there if you are American.

If you want a Venezuelan already in Colombia, and that makes much more sense because you can actually meet her first, the airfare will be cheaper but she still is going to need a passport. If she doesn't have one, I would pass because you are looking at a lot of time and expense getting her one.

Now, where are you going to meet her? I think you would have 100's of guys telling you to not make a LTR deal with any of the working girls, and that probably is a good idea. Still, I think Venezuelans unlike so many women in other countries HAD to be prostitutes. I was told that there are a lot of "normal" Venezuelan girls working the streets FWIW.

As far as what to pay, the minimum wage in Colombia is around 300 bucks a month, so I'd offer that or a little over that, and every one of the women I talked to whether Colombian or Venezuelan was thrilled to go a beach in Mexico. I don't think they care too much where it is, but everyone knows Cancun..[/QUOTE]I am sort of a difficult person to educate. I swear. Between this and Woodman and other ISG people here. It's like finding the holy grail. LOL I'll be in Bogota in 10 days. I have too many people I could contact (SA / Cupid girls) I know Woodman will be a huge asset but I wish Elvis was going to be there also. Have a feeling this will be a terrific recon trip requiring a longer trip beginning of December. Thanks. O, so you say I should hang around the universities for "starving students" if all else fails? I like that.

I'm following a bunch of chicks on twitter but quite frankly there pics leave a lot of room for disappointment. Anybody had success via this route? Latin cupid and SA could work as I'm a decent looking guy fluent in Spanish but I only have a few days. Does anything really beat dipping your stick and sampling the offerings as sf, and MP girls?

[URL]https://medellinguru.com/is-bogota-safe/[/URL]

Please read this article, generally Bogota is very safe except for Santa Fe and one more area. Most robberies are of cell phones.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2368135][URL]https://medellinguru.com/is-bogota-safe/[/URL]

Please read this article, generally Bogota is very safe except for Santa Fe and one more area. Most robberies are of cell phones.[/QUOTE]Attached is the actual homicide rate in Bogota, by area.

[QUOTE=GMoney582;2368110]I'm following a bunch of chicks on twitter but quite frankly there pics leave a lot of room for disappointment. Anybody had success via this route? Latin cupid and SA could work as I'm a decent looking guy fluent in Spanish but I only have a few days. Does anything really beat dipping your stick and sampling the offerings as sf, and MP girls?[/QUOTE]I tried Mileroticos and Photosprepagos in Bogota, which is similar to Twitter in that a lot of girls' pictures had their faces blurred out. The one time I had a girl come where she did not show her face picture I got someone completely different looking (worse obviously). So IMO avoid profiles where you can't see her picture, which then rules out the vast majority of profiles.

I saw this ad in photopregaos. [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota/chapinero/dos-venezolanas-dispuestas-a-darte-muchisimo-placer-id-7kusz[/URL].

"Hola, amor, somos Carla why génesis, dos sensacionales jóvenes escorts. Somos sencillas, discretas why cariñosas, nos gusta pasarla rico.

Atendemos pareja, te brindaremos una experiencia única, no dudes en llamarnos, tenemos 20 why 25 años, hacemos domicilios en casa, motel o apartamento. Recibimos transferencia de bancolombia. Todo con proteccióand, nuestro servicio incluye tríos, penetracióand con ambas why sexo vaginal. Consulta nuestras tarifas abajo. ".

Recibimos transferencia de bancolombia! Is this a thing now? This is the 2nd time I've seen it in the past week. I have read about it being common in Caracas, but I have never seen in in Bogota or Colombia until this year. Are the venezolanas bringing this custom with them from Venezuala? I assume they want a deposit before they show up. Has anyone done this in Colombia? Is this normal?

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2368441]I saw this ad in photopregaos. [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota/chapinero/dos-venezolanas-dispuestas-a-darte-muchisimo-placer-id-7kusz[/URL].

"Hola, amor, somos Carla why gnesis, dos sensacionales jvenes escorts. Somos sencillas, discretas why cariosas, nos gusta pasarla rico.

Atendemos pareja, te brindaremos una experiencia nica, no dudes en llamarnos, tenemos 20 why 25 aos, hacemos domicilios en casa, motel o apartamento. Recibimos transferencia de bancolombia. Todo con protecciand, nuestro servicio incluye tros, penetraciand con ambas why sexo vaginal. Consulta nuestras tarifas abajo. ".

Recibimos transferencia de bancolombia! Is this a thing now? This is the 2nd time I've seen it in the past week. I have read about it being common in Caracas, but I have never seen in in Bogota or Colombia until this year. Are the venezolanas bringing this custom with them from Venezuala? I assume they want a deposit before they show up. Has anyone done this in Colombia? Is this normal?[/QUOTE]It's a scam.

[QUOTE=Routard;2368445]It's a scam.[/QUOTE]If it's a scam wouldn't they use photos of prettier girls?

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2368456]If it's a scam wouldn't they use photos of prettier girls?[/QUOTE]For a scam to work it needs to be believable. Prepaying any hookers, before they're in your room is a good way to watch your money disappear.

I'm thinking about doing some daytime action at Atunes. How are the rooms onsite? And if I take a girl out to my hotel, how much do they usually charge?

In Colombia people use cash to pay the most unlikely things. I sold my car 2 month ago, the woman took the cash money from her handbag as if she was paying a coffee. People queue every month to pay cash their gas, electricity, water, phone bill or apartment rental. And a hooker will ask a bank account transfer???

[QUOTE=Gropai;2368563]I'm thinking about doing some daytime action at Atunes. How are the rooms onsite? And if I take a girl out to my hotel, how much do they usually charge?[/QUOTE]The rooms at Atunes are fine.

I think nobody can really tell you how much they charge. It depends on the girl, how far is your hotel, and how long. My experience is that if you want to take a girl out long time, some girls will start with their hourly rate multiplied by the number of hours you want them.

Hhaha banged this one, you are right, her body is a little off and truth is, she had a slight odor. Not terrible but def musty. The head was super mechancial and she just had one speed that went up and down fast like a robot, not much passion but she took it in the face which is cool.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2364185]

Chloe was cool. Great English. Very Fit, fashionable, tight but her body was kind of shaped a little weird. SB material for sure. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e9ed7422-33b2-4ccd-a928-a2bd933dbf5c[/URL].

Other ones I am keeping to myself, but I had a helluva week! Thanks for all those who helped make this trip such a success.[/QUOTE]

I only get to Bogota once every few months and then only for a day. I had not been in Santa Fe for a long time and I still have memories of the guy who showed me his knife because he wanted my prescription sunglasses. Anyway, arrived at 3 PM today and took 2 trips around Carrera 15 and 16 between Calle 23 and 34. Weed was wafting through the air, some of the clubs were spilling out into the street, and there were a lot of young men walking around with Venezuela and Colombia football shirts on (they play tonight). It was lively as usual and there was the normal assortment of desperate women grabbing my arm or of the club touts trying to get me to come in. There are definitely more Venezuelan chicas on the streets than the last time I was in Santa Fe. A couple of the girls caught my eye- the average chica looks and safety of the area are the same as last time. Then I came across Aletta on Carrera 16 closer to Calle 24 than 23. Oh my god. She is about 5'10" and is also wearing heels, which brought her to my height. When you see Miss Venezuela in the Miss Universe pageant, that is what we are talking here. She has long black straight hair down to the small of her back. Her eyes are the very light blue ones where you can see through them. Perfect facial features. Straight teeth, a great smile. She was wearing a sweater dress that came down just past her crotch, so all I saw besides her stunning face were legs. Oh, and she has gorgeous large natural boobs, which were under the sweater with no bra. She is 19. And she laughed and enjoyed being with me for 20 whole minutes for 40 k pesos- $13 US. She is a 9 1/2 and the only reason she is not a 10 is because her butt, which is perfectly parked at the same height as my arrow, was an inch too wide. But I really enjoyed being behind her at the appropriate time. I did not ask her, but she must have just arrived recently and does not know how much she can earn. I have zero doubt that she will not be in the streets of Santa Fe when somebody either takes her to work in a good club or takes her out of the business. She is not jaded yet and she is so beautiful.

Stinger.

I was in Bogota couple weeks ago, had one free afternoon, went to Mezzanine in carrera 15 with calle 105.

I think its a decent day time venue in the north.

Tthe description in the forum very close to reality.

About 4-5 small places with 3-4 girls each. Quality mostly 6's and few 7's. Kinda similar to the casas in chapinero (La Bonita, Sirenitas, etc) maybe little bit better in Mezzanine. Prices 70 k-80 k.

I sessioned with a thick big tits chica, tit fucking was the highlight, good 25 minutes of CBJ and few poses.

The rooms are small AF but they were clean.

Conclusion: convenient venue for daytime mongering specially if staying in the North.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2368346]Attached is the actual homicide rate in Bogota, by area.[/QUOTE]As I have noted before, this has no actual relevance to visiting Santa Fe clubs, streetwalkers, brothels etc.

The area you reference is 44 Kilometres sq.

The area we visit is 1 kilometres sq.

Zero relevance.

Santa Fe the area we visit is perfectly safe and a family friendly atmosphere for the most part.

99% of people who have their phones stolen are waving them around on the street kindly offering them to those less fortunate. It would be rude not to take them.

[QUOTE=Stinger;2369261]She is about 5'10" and is also wearing heels, which brought her to my height. When you see Miss Venezuela in the Miss Universe pageant, that is what we are talking here. She has long black straight hair down to the small of her back. Her eyes are the very light blue ones where you can see through them. Perfect facial features. Straight teeth, a great smile. She was wearing a sweater dress that came down just past her crotch, so all I saw besides her stunning face were legs. Oh, and she has gorgeous large natural boobs, which were under the sweater with no bra. She is 19. And she laughed and enjoyed being with me for 20 whole minutes for 40 k pesos- $13 US. She is a 9 1/2 and the only reason she is not a 10 is because her butt, which is perfectly parked at the same height as my arrow, was an inch too wide.[/QUOTE]Congrats on finding her. I cracked a smile when I read this, because for me, a 10 has dark eyes, dark features, barely 5 feet, thick, with a big booty. For all those who haven't been, that's the beauty of Santa Fe. There's more flavors walking around over there than Baskin-Robbins.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2369429]There's more flavors walking around over there than Baskin-Robbins.[/QUOTE]LOL. Amen. Even something for Bruce, excuse me, Kaitlyn Jenner.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2369231]Hhaha banged this one, you are right, her body is a little off and truth is, she had a slight odor. Not terrible but def musty. The head was super mechancial and she just had one speed that went up and down fast like a robot, not much passion but she took it in the face which is cool.[/QUOTE]I can see her getting an odor as it appears she may be more escort than SB. It seems like she has said yes to every guy who reached out to her. The reason I said that she is SB material is that she speaks English, is attractive, is fashionable, pretty much will do whatever you want in the sack, no time limit IMO, and she was fun to hang with.

As for the ones I kept to myself, all but one and she lived 2 hours from Bogota, were working and / or students, and they had much tighter schedules.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2369509]I can see her getting an odor as it appears she may be more escort than SB. It seems like she has said yes to every guy who reached out to her. The reason I said that she is SB material is that she speaks English, is attractive, is fashionable, pretty much will do whatever you want in the sack, no time limit IMO, and she was fun to hang with.

As for the ones I kept to myself, all but one and she lived 2 hours from Bogota, were working and / or students, and they had much tighter schedules.[/QUOTE]What was funny is I looked at her whatsapp photo a couple days ago and she is posted up with some "BF" type in her profile photo. SUCKER! She changed it back though, I guess maybe he caught on. I dunno without all that constent hair dye animie look, she really is basic. One and done.

Hi all,

First, I want to thank all of you who contribute here. This is what makes this awesome. I am a newbie on this board (sent in my $25 last week to get the subscription) but have mongered in US and the Middle East before.

Will be traveling to Bogota for the Thanksgiving weekend and really looking for some relatively few but good experiences that may include the whole night.

Still can't figure out between staying at a hotel or an AirBnB. Most properties I checked have the additional guest charge of 60 mil per guest. AirBnB's may not be as safe as the hotels (I could be wrong).

Have read the forum and the FAQ but still hesitant to do the Santa Fe tour unless I have a wingman with me. I know practically zero Spanish and find using the translator on the street a bit awkward.

Would appreciate some thoughts on agencies used by others here or independent ladies they can recommend.

Thanks in advance.

Where exactly do you get the daytime Chapinero action? Which intersections? Thank you in advance.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2356547]Go to the main Colombia page and scroll down to the lower section it is down there. Great info and I used it my first time in Bogota, I still have not been to Santa Fe but I travel solo and the daytime Chapinero action was good for me. Maybe this next trip in Sept I will venture down there, I do like me a pretty vene.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kunjur;2369590]Hi all,

First, I want to thank all of you who contribute here. This is what makes this awesome. I am a newbie on this board (sent in my $25 last week to get the subscription) but have mongered in US and the Middle East before.

Will be traveling to Bogota for the Thanksgiving weekend and really looking for some relatively few but good experiences that may include the whole night.

Still can't figure out between staying at a hotel or an AirBnB. Most properties I checked have the additional guest charge of 60 mil per guest. AirBnB's may not be as safe as the hotels (I could be wrong).

Have read the forum and the FAQ but still hesitant to do the Santa Fe tour unless I have a wingman with me. I know practically zero Spanish and find using the translator on the street a bit awkward.

Would appreciate some thoughts on agencies used by others here or independent ladies they can recommend.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Get a hotel, at least you'll know what you're getting. Also, you don't need someone to hold your hand in Santa Fe. I've been there solo multiple times and never had a problem. I wear sneakers, jeans and a t-shirt. Don't try to look like you're on guard, then you'll stick out. I don't know why people overthink this, or think they have to get online for a lay. Just be confident, walk around and do your "shopping", and then take your girl to a love motel in the area (she'll know where to go), and put down the GD phone. It's as simple as that. Next, don't come to Colombia without knowing at least basic Spanish. You don't want to rely on an electronic device to communicate. Put in the effort and you'll be rewarded.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2369902]Get a hotel, at least you'll know what you're getting. Also, you don't need someone to hold your hand in Santa Fe. I've been there solo multiple times and never had a problem. I wear sneakers, jeans and a t-shirt. Don't try to look like you're on guard, then you'll stick out. I don't know why people overthink this, or think they have to get online for a lay. Just be confident, walk around and do your "shopping", and then take your girl to a love motel in the area (she'll know where to go), and put down the GD phone. It's as simple as that. Next, don't come to Colombia without knowing at least basic Spanish. You don't want to rely on an electronic device to communicate. Put in the effort and you'll be rewarded.[/QUOTE]Fair points. I am brown skinned so they may even take me for a native (until I open my mouth). I will work on my Spanish 101.

[QUOTE=Kunjur;2369604]Where exactly do you get the daytime Chapinero action? Which intersections? Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]In Chapinero there are or were casas near the Transmilenio stops particularly Calle 63 and Flores. But Marly, Calle 57, Calle 72 and Calle 76.

[QUOTE=Kunjur;2369910]Fair points. I am brown skinned so they may even take me for a native (until I open my mouth). I will work on my Spanish 101.[/QUOTE]No. They won't. They will spot that you're not a native from 2 blocks away. Skin color gas nothing to do with it. Your body language will be all wrong. You'll walk wrong. You could be fluent in Spanish, with 2 Colombian parents, but if you've spent your whole life in Boston you'll look like someone from Boston.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2370015]No. They won't. They will spot that you're not a native from 2 blocks away. Skin color gas nothing to do with it. Your body language will be all wrong. You'll walk wrong. You could be fluent in Spanish, with 2 Colombian parents, but if you've spent your whole life in Boston you'll look like someone from Boston.[/QUOTE]All these guys are making it out to be harder than it is. Just don't be stupid. Who cares if they know you're a foreigner. You won't be the only foreigner there. Its true you can spot them a mile away. Theres just something funny about them. But who cares. Don't be stupid. Don't bring more money than you can spend in 1 night. 200 cop is more than enough for santa fe. Don't bring valuables. If someone holds you up with a gun or a knife. Give them what you have amd walk away. So you've lost your 60 bucks and your hopefully cheap phone. Don't bring an exprnsive phone. You can get a good phone for whatsapp for 150 bucks these days. So you've lost your phone and cash. Shit happens. But unless you're stupid you should walk away okay. One more thing. Don't drink. Helps with not being stupud.

Just want to add. Not trying to be condescending. I've done plenty of stupid things in my life. Which I'm lucky and happy to have lived through.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2370286]All these guys are making it out to be harder than it is. Just don't be stupid. Who cares if they know you're a foreigner. You won't be the only foreigner there. Its true you can spot them a mile away. Theres just something funny about them. But who cares. Don't be stupid. Don't bring more money than you can spend in 1 night. 200 cop is more than enough for santa fe. Don't bring valuables. If someone holds you up with a gun or a knife. Give them what you have amd walk away. So you've lost your 60 bucks and your hopefully cheap phone. Don't bring an exprnsive phone. You can get a good phone for whatsapp for 150 bucks these days. So you've lost your phone and cash. Shit happens. But unless you're stupid you should walk away okay. One more thing. Don't drink. Helps with not being stupud.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2370286]All these guys are making it out to be harder than it is. Just don't be stupid. Who cares if they know you're a foreigner. You won't be the only foreigner there. Its true you can spot them a mile away. Theres just something funny about them. But who cares. Don't be stupid. Don't bring more money than you can spend in 1 night. 200 cop is more than enough for santa fe. Don't bring valuables. If someone holds you up with a gun or a knife. Give them what you have amd walk away. So you've lost your 60 bucks and your hopefully cheap phone. Don't bring an exprnsive phone. You can get a good phone for whatsapp for 150 bucks these days. So you've lost your phone and cash. Shit happens. But unless you're stupid you should walk away okay. One more thing. Don't drink. Helps with not being stupud.[/QUOTE]You are not being condescending. We are all adults here and everyone speaks from their own experiences. Totally agree with all points you mention. Money, phone not getting drunk. I am naturally cautious. This being my first time and the general reputation of some parts of the South America here in the US. We sometimes have a false sense of security here in the US. Even though I live in the DC area and I remember a time here when this was the murder capital of the country. Thank you for keeping it real.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2369977]In Chapinero there are or were casas near the Transmilenio stops particularly Calle 63 and Flores. But Marly, Calle 57, Calle 72 and Calle 76.[/QUOTE]I will be talking a walk here. Hopefully with you.

[QUOTE=KangarooTed;2369402]

99% of people who have their phones stolen are waving them around on the street kindly offering them to those less fortunate. It would be rude not to take them.[/QUOTE]It would indeed! Love it.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2368346]Attached is the actual homicide rate in Bogota, by area.[/QUOTE]Wow, that's WAY down from 10 years ago. You kids don't know how good you have it LOLOL!

[QUOTE=Santrago;2369289]I was in Bogota couple weeks ago, had one free afternoon, went to Mezzanine in carrera 15 with calle 105.

I think its a decent day time venue in the north.

Tthe description in the forum very close to reality.

About 4-5 small places with 3-4 girls each. Quality mostly 6's and few 7's. Kinda similar to the casas in chapinero (La Bonita, Sirenitas, etc) maybe little bit better in Mezzanine. Prices 70 k-80 k.

I sessioned with a thick big tits chica, tit fucking was the highlight, good 25 minutes of CBJ and few poses.

The rooms are small AF but they were clean.

Conclusion: convenient venue for daytime mongering specially if staying in the North.[/QUOTE]Is that Valentina?

[QUOTE=Routard;2368678]In Colombia people use cash to pay the most unlikely things. I sold my car 2 month ago, the woman took the cash money from her handbag as if she was paying a coffee. People queue every month to pay cash their gas, electricity, water, phone bill or apartment rental. And a hooker will ask a bank account transfer???[/QUOTE]Yeah don't do this ish people.

I'd actually be glad to use Nequi (Colombian version of Venmo or Zelle or CashApp) in front of the girl right before the service. If anything went sideways you have the option to reverse the transfer within the first little while.

[QUOTE=Santrago;2369289]I was in Bogota couple weeks ago, had one free afternoon, went to Mezzanine in carrera 15 with calle 105.

I think its a decent day time venue in the north.

Tthe description in the forum very close to reality.

About 4-5 small places with 3-4 girls each. Quality mostly 6's and few 7's. Kinda similar to the casas in chapinero (La Bonita, Sirenitas, etc) maybe little bit better in Mezzanine. Prices 70 k-80 k.

I sessioned with a thick big tits chica, tit fucking was the highlight, good 25 minutes of CBJ and few poses.

The rooms are small AF but they were clean.

Conclusion: convenient venue for daytime mongering specially if staying in the North.[/QUOTE]I don't know if it's still open. There was another massage place half a block south from the mezzanine. Right between the big Movistar store and Justo / Bueno there's a small commercial center. Up the steps and first door on the right was a massage place. 4 or 5 girls, decent looking, rooms only slightly bigger, but clean. Price a hit higher, can't remember exactly how much. It's been about 2 years since I was there. If it's still around it's another option in the area.

I was in Santa Fe last night and noticed a chart on the wall in a couple places. The chart was titled "Fichas de Tragos para las Mujeres". It had prices for different types of drinks. Can anyone clue me in on how this works? I don't remember ever having to pay any of these "Fichas".

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2370654]I was in Santa Fe last night and noticed a chart on the wall in a couple places. The chart was titled "Fichas de Tragos para las Mujeres". It had prices for different types of drinks. Can anyone clue me in on how this works? I don't remember ever having to pay any of these "Fichas".[/QUOTE]If you ever bought a chick her own drink then you paid it. That is why you get a bottle and let her get a shot from that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2370658]If you ever bought a chick her own drink then you paid it. That is why you get a bottle and let her get a shot from that.[/QUOTE]I guess I must have paid it without realizing it. What seems ridiculous is the fichas for bottles. Who buys a girl a bottle?

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2370670]I guess I must have paid it without realizing it. What seems ridiculous is the fichas for bottles. Who buys a girl a bottle?[/QUOTE]LOL a bottle is $10-$30 usd; probably takes an HR or two to finish.

[QUOTE=Bleble;2370769]LOL a bottle is $10-$30 usd; probably takes an HR or two to finish.[/QUOTE]Yea I know the cost. But why would you buy the girl the bottle and then pay the 10 k ficha on top of it. Why not just buy the bottle for yourself. You're going to share it either way. Right?

[QUOTE=Bleble;2370769]LOL a bottle is $10-$30 usd; probably takes an HR or two to finish.[/QUOTE]I don't know anywhere you can can a bottle for 10 usd. 10 usd is generously 35 k. Even a half bottle of the cheapest stuff they got which is arguardiente is probably 45 to 50 k.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2370513]Is that Valentina?[/QUOTE]If I remember correctly her name was Alejandra. But not sure 100%.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2371204]Yea I know the cost. But why would you buy the girl the bottle and then pay the 10 k ficha on top of it. Why not just buy the bottle for yourself. You're going to share it either way. Right?[/QUOTE]Might be some half-hearted effort at transperancy perhaps?

Normally they charge you a flat price for the bottle and the girl gets her cut, as long as certain conditions are met.

It's important to note that girls will generally try to turn that bottle over as fast as possible, doing things like sharing it with friends and pretending to drink but actually spilling it on the floor.

Since I'm not much of a fan of alcohol anyways, I usually get a bottled water and buy the girl something her size and avoid bottle service altogether. Of course, the staff hates this shit.

Corollary to this, a lot of places will tell you they don't sell beer or coolers or Red Bull etc. Only bottles. This is always a lie. If you hold your ground they will bring you a damn beer rather than lose you as a customer. They may wait until you are two steps away from the door though.

Looking for a dermatologist near Chapinero. To remove stuff from an old fart that's been in the sun way too long. Thanks.

I'll also be in chapinero 9/26-30 if anyone needs a Wing. I def. Could use an experienced mongered who knows the ropes.

[QUOTE=Kunjur;2370364]I will be talking a walk here. Hopefully with you.[/QUOTE]

Here is what I have used for my Cancer spots.

Diclofenac Sodium Topical Gel 1 %. The Pharmacy should have it. Twice a day. It will get spotty red at first.

[QUOTE=Cbmcpa;2372185]Looking for a dermatologist near Chapinero. To remove stuff from an old fart that's been in the sun way too long. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2372329]Here is what I have used for my Cancer spots.

Diclofenac Sodium Topical Gel 1 %. The Pharmacy should have it. Twice a day. It will get spotty red at first.[/QUOTE]Whoa! Interesting idea. Maybe.

I screwed up!!

That Gel is for my pain in my knee.

The correct Cream is Fluorouracil Topical Cream USP, 5%.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2372329]Here is what I have used for my Cancer spots.

Diclofenac Sodium Topical Gel 1 %. The Pharmacy should have it. Twice a day. It will get spotty red at first.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2372903]I screwed up!!

That Gel is for my pain in my knee.

The correct Cream is Fluorouracil Topical Cream USP, 5%.[/QUOTE]But I think you might be on to something with the diclofenac. Keep experimenting with it!

Needed to get away for the weekend so I decided to travel to Bogota from Florida. I've traveled all over Colombia and had only been to Bogota once and that was about 10 years ago in my early 20's. I didn't care for the cold. Well I arrived arrive around 0930, got three customs real fast, exchanged some dollars for Colombian pesos and then exited the airport. I requested and uber which picked me up in a nearby parking lot see which is outside of door 2.

Traveled to the Airbnb that I'm renting for a bit that's located in chapinero / Santa Fe.

Took a few hours nap since I hadn't slept since waking up at 4 am Friday morning. Woke up and went to the store that's located in my apartment building for a few things.

After eating I decided that I will go explore and started walking to the SW areas that are listed in the map. My walk to the area was about 10 minutes. I came upon the wonderful blocks of Santa fe street workers and clubs. This was around 530 pm. I pretty much walked around every block, here you can find everything that you want. I saw young and old workers, beautiful 8 & 9's, trannys (becareful looking at the from the back once you see them closer you'll realize they are a man). Some of the trans gave very close female features but you can always spot the Male features on them. I've never been cat called or whistled at by do many men in my life, I just kept walking because it is definitely not my thing. Walking up and down the blocks I found working girls dressed very provocative even though it's cold and other dressed appropriately for the weather. Walking down the streets with the clubs such as Venus and Paisas was a pain because you would be harassed with the wait staff trying to get you to enter there establishment. I may try one of them before I leave. Inended up meeting a girl that was standing out front of one of the short term rooms, went in with her and had a great time, didn't ask for a name because ir doesn't matter. She was about 5,5 130 pds, block hair and eyes, after paying to enter we walked up stairs into a small room. Once we entered the room she returned my change change from the rental of the room and her fee. She disrobes, has many tattoos and pierced nipple, clit, belly button and tongue. She was extremely friendly and nothing was rushed. After going at it for about 20 minutes we got a knock at the door letting us know our time was up. She asked if I wanted more time and I declined. We talked a bit after and about her working at Campo in curacao which I frequent a lot. We dressed and I exited. I continued walking checking out the scenery, as it got darker more girls appeared. I ran into a Venezuelan chick that said she wad 25 but looks more starting 20's. She wad about 5 feet 100 pds, with nice full natural breasts, we disrobed and she was vei impressed with the size of my penis, she went on to tell me how most men have small penises and that I would be the largest she would experience and wad up for the challenge. I sat on the bed and she started rubbing all over me, she them got on her knees while I was sitting on the bed a gave a top notch BJ with lots of eye contact. We got a knock on the door and I told her to extend the time flor 20 minutes more. After extending time she got on top of me to control my penis entering her, she rode me for a bit then I got on top of her, she enjoyed watching me Emmett and exit her and was even grinding back. She started to quiver with her climax, waking and feeling her climax made me do the same. At their time we got another knock on the door letting us know or time was up. We got dressed and she asked me for my name and shyly asked If we could exchange WhatsApp. After doing so we exited and I decided to walk back to my Airbnb. I'm in my mid 30's, black, and speak a little Spanish but understand a lot of it. Walking around Santa Fe was easy and no one bothered me even after it got dark. I didn't leave the area until 11 pm. I did see a couple guys get into a fight which I just kept waking minding my own business, I see much of it in the us because of my occupation and it didn't excite me. There's lots of Venezuelans here and they are asking low prices. So far for day one I've had a great time. I'll be in Bogota until the 25 off September.

[QUOTE=Neptuna;2373277]Needed to get away for the weekend so I decided to travel to Bogota from Florida. I've traveled all over Colombia and had only been to Bogota once and that was about 10 years ago in my early 20's. I didn't care for the cold. Well I arrived arrive around 0930, got three customs real fast, exchanged some dollars for Colombian pesos and then exited the airport. I requested and uber which picked me up in a nearby parking lot see which is outside of door 2.

Traveled to the Airbnb that I'm renting for a bit that's located in chapinero / Santa Fe.

Took a few hours nap since I hadn't slept since waking up at 4 am Friday morning. Woke up and went to the store that's located in my apartment building for a few things.

After eating I decided that I will go explore and started walking to the SW areas that are listed in the map. My walk to the area was about 10 minutes. I came upon the wonderful blocks of Santa fe street workers and clubs. This was around 530 pm. I pretty much walked around every block, here you can find everything that you want. I saw young and old workers, beautiful 8 & 9's, trannys (becareful looking at the from the back once you see them closer you'll realize they are a man)..[/QUOTE]I have enjoyed playing in many parts of Colombia, I enjoy my many visits to Bogota and I will return as Santa Fe is addictive to pervert like me however I hate the 20 minute thing, damn at my age it takes me 5 minutes to simply get undressed and comfortable on the bed and before I know there comes that dreaded knock on the door.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2373355]I have enjoyed playing in many parts of Colombia, I enjoy my many visits to Bogota and I will return as Santa Fe is addictive to pervert like me however I hate the 20 minute thing, damn at my age it takes me 5 minutes to simply get undressed and comfortable on the bed and before I know there comes that dreaded knock on the door.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Tall Man,

I know what you mean, perhaps consider a double for $60-70+mil get a 1/2 hour.

Don't forget to tip your maid 1-2 mil if she happens to be there when you enter the room. I think you may buy a few minutos.

Been getting over a cold, So I just have been banging once a night.

Been hanging in SF last few night, I just curse my old age as I'm leaving.

As I walk away leaving SF so many hot girls lined up tonight.

I walk down Calle 23 passing Carrerra 16-to Carerra 15, there are 45 girls lined up there. I call that Cutie Corners.

The club scene was fantastic as usual, The spectacle of those girls doing the lapdances is a must-see.

Tonight there were 2 girls doing a lesbo show while giving lapdances simultaneously. That is while one is upside down with her pussy in the guys face the other is munching her. Very enthusiastic show.

Troya was off the hook, so many beauties there, 35 girls. All the clubs had stars.

Tonight I smashed this nice 18 yo cutie tonight. Nice slim, no kids, totally mixed race different looking girl with thick curly hair. I always like to hit someone new. She was at Cutie Corners.

Last night I was with my Chocolate Barbie doll. She is a Streetie Sweetie I have been smashing for about 6 months, She loves me.

On Thursday hit this hot MILF in Venus. Fat-ass beautiful Nordic looking white girl. Gagging her good BBBJ Pulling her hair making her scream. I think we are in love.

There are 300+ girls just in the streets and 200+ more in the clubs. And they are Mostly hot with a some sweat hogs.

Many guys I have shown around will session with the streetie Sweeties while I wait. Then we hit the clubs.

In the last 18 months Santa Fe has become a boom town.

So many new businesses through out the area. New hotels, restaurants, stores, barbers and* Hair salons. Must be 60+ just in that barrio.

The Venezuela crisis has been good for Bogota.

Since the last 20-some pages of the forum seem to be mostly random arguing about relationships and politics, here's a report.

Checking out Bogota for the first time, generally impressed though I have a soft spot for Medellin.

Zona T at night is outstanding energy levels. Super-safe. Less vagrancy even in the shiftier parts of the zone than any big-city club zone in the US.

Checked out Casanova's that's been mentioned here.

No cover, but expensive drinks (near 100 K for a shot and a colombian beer). At 2-something AM on Saturday, there were 11-13 girls, less guys. Mostly 4-6's. A couple of 7's, one 8, but those were occupied. One light, almost white-skinned girl, one dark-skinned morena. One or two (of the 4's) were aggressive, but the rest kept to themselves. It was okay, but the vibe doesn't make me want to return. I didn't ask for prices since nobody available was of interest.

There was a bar immediately adjacent to Casanova's, with girls sitting at the bar visible from the sidewalk. Not sure if it's affiliated. Doors were closed by the time I checked back. Anybody have info?

A few SW in the vicinity, but only a few obvious. You'll need to look like you're looking, or know how to identify / approach. Note they vanished before 2 am, at 3 am only one or two hard on their luck types were still out.

At bar closing, a lot of pretty Colombianas going home alone or a couple of girls leaving alone. Those of you with game and decent Colombian-spanish might be able to work something there. Lots of eye candy.

Also walked by what the map labels as La Disco (no signage at entrance). Doorman said there was still a 20 K cover, though the place closed in 30 minutes, so I passed.

[QUOTE=Neptuna;2373277]Needed to get away for the weekend so I decided to travel to Bogota from Florida. I've traveled all over Colombia and had only been to Bogota once and that was about 10 years ago in my early 20's. I didn't care for the cold. Well I arrived arrive around 0930, got three customs real fast, exchanged some dollars for Colombian pesos and then exited the airport. I requested and uber which picked me up in a nearby parking lot see which is outside of door 2.

Traveled to the Airbnb that I'm renting for a bit that's located in chapinero / Santa Fe.

Took a few hours nap since I hadn't slept since waking up at 4 am Friday morning. Woke up and went to the store that's located in my apartment building for a few things.

After eating I decided that I will go explore and started walking to the SW areas that are listed in the map. My walk to the area was about 10 minutes. I came upon the wonderful blocks of Santa fe street workers and clubs. This was around 530 pm. I pretty much walked around every block, here you can find everything that you want. I saw young and old workers, beautiful 8 & 9's, trannys (becareful looking at the from the back once you see them closer you'll realize they are a man). Some of the trans gave very close female features but you can always spot the Male features on them. I've never been cat called or whistled at by do many men in my life, I just kept walking because it is definitely not my thing. Walking up and down the blocks I found working girls dressed very provocative even though it's cold and other dressed appropriately for the weather. Walking down the streets with the clubs such as Venus and Paisas was a pain because you would be harassed with the wait staff trying to get you to enter there establishment. I may try one of them before I leave. Inended up meeting a girl that was standing out front of one of the short term rooms, went in with her and had a great time, didn't ask for a name because ir doesn't matter. She was about 5,5 130 pds, block hair and eyes, after paying to enter we walked up stairs into a small room. Once we entered the room she returned my change change from the rental of the room and her fee. She disrobes, has many tattoos and pierced nipple, clit, belly button and tongue. She was extremely friendly and nothing was rushed. After going at it for about 20 minutes we got a knock at the door letting us know our time was up. She asked if I wanted more time and I declined. We talked a bit after and about her working at Campo in curacao which I frequent a lot. We dressed and I exited. I continued walking checking out the scenery, as it got darker more girls appeared. I ran into a Venezuelan chick that said she wad 25 but looks more starting 20's. She wad about 5 feet 100 pds, with nice full natural breasts, we disrobed and she was vei impressed with the size of my penis, she went on to tell me how most men have small penises and that I would be the largest she would experience and wad up for the challenge. I sat on the bed and she started rubbing all over me, she them got on her knees while I was sitting on the bed a gave a top notch BJ with lots of eye contact. We got a knock on the door and I told her to extend the time flor 20 minutes more. After extending time she got on top of me to control my penis entering her, she rode me for a bit then I got on top of her, she enjoyed watching me Emmett and exit her and was even grinding back. She started to quiver with her climax, waking and feeling her climax made me do the same. At their time we got another knock on the door letting us know or time was up. We got dressed and she asked me for my name and shyly asked If we could exchange WhatsApp. After doing so we exited and I decided to walk back to my Airbnb. I'm in my mid 30's, black, and speak a little Spanish but understand a lot of it. Walking around Santa Fe was easy and no one bothered me even after it got dark. I didn't leave the area until 11 pm. I did see a couple guys get into a fight which I just kept waking minding my own business, I see much of it in the us because of my occupation and it didn't excite me. There's lots of Venezuelans here and they are asking low prices. So far for day one I've had a great time. I'll be in Bogota until the 25 off September.[/QUOTE]Great report. Hope you enjoy the rest of your visit.

Was in Bogota for 5 days in August. After reading all positive reports, went to Abadubai Spa on Tuesday around 11:00 am Easy to find, nice neighborhood, screened entrance. I was told to wait in a room. 3 girls walked in one, after another. I picked Brianna. She looked nice, smaller than the other two, which I prefer. Tight pussy, see size boobs, nice ass. Agreed on 280,000 for 1 hour. I did not bargain, because of my Limited Spanish and my first time there. She did a nice job, not too many complains. I am sure next time would have been better. Started with OK massage, BBBJ, FS with condom, DATY. She was nice and patient. At the end she asked to Whatsapp number. Too bad I was leaving next day. She offered my to take shower at the end. I asked if I need to bring my phone with me, she said don't worry. I don't know why, I did not bring my wallet and phone with me. Place looked very nice and clean. Shower was OK. No got water, but clean. I can't tell for sure, but later I check my wallet and I think 2 $20 bills were missing. Everything else was there: credit cards, Colombian pesos, etc. I am almost sure that it was taken while I was in shower. I know it was my fault for being naive and leaving everything behind. Still, leaves slightly unpleasant feelings. They did tell me in Colombia: "don't be papaya" .

Anyway, I would recommend Abadubai spa. Just make sure to speak good Spanish and don't leave anything behind.

Checked out the Mezzanines that have been discussed here.

On a quiet Sunday morning the good people of Bogota were riding their bicycles on the side of the main road that was closed for their benefit that day. Two of the mezzanine doors were open and each had 3 girls and a madam (early afternoon). The girls opened the door, looked out, and waved me over. One other door was ajar but nobody peeked out of that one. 2 or more other closed doors, not sure when or if they all open at once.

One set of girls (taller, less my taste) quoted 100 K. The other set quoted 80 K. For 50 minutes everything included.

From another post here (describing "closets") I was expecting the rooms to be like broom-closets. Instead they are about the size of small massage rooms, or the non-champagne private rooms at a strip club. The bed / table could be larger, might be a problem if you're a big dude, but was fine for the purpose. Long enough, but you're not able to roll around.

Good service. Light sensual massage. No rush, everything seemed tranquil at least that day.

Find them in a 2-story commercial building on the next corner south from Parque Calle 106. Go up the steps and around back (away from the street).

Enjoy.

This is on point-.

Don't. I repeat. Don't fall in love. Do not. Do not. Why am I saying this. Because I did. And it didn't end well unfortunately. I didn't even meet a working girl. Met her on the cable car going up to Parque Arvi in Medellin with her son. The problem. They know you are leaving. And they don't want that. So even if they are sincere (mine was. I think) they need you to live there. Those that are working. Well that's another story.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2362106]Yes they will use you and lie to you. Don't let them. In the animal kingdom you need to be assertive. I've been burned before in my early days of mongering but not as bad. Here's how to do it properly:

(1) Stop looking for love in foreign places. You can find it where you live. It doesn't even need to be romantic love. A good female friend is just as valuable and sufficient.

(2) All Latinas who take money from extranjeros (foreigners) to support themselves are going to have at least one, sometimes more, local guys they party with and fuck. Especially in Colombia women don't go out alone so they always need a guy to go with. Usually these guys are scumbags who mooch off the chica since you keep supporting her. Sometimes they are just weak men who can't find anyone except a prostitute to be with them.

(3) Don't talk long term or any of that shit. You don't want to be the guy I mention in point (2). You want to be the rich guy who fucks her like a champ whenever you're in town..[/QUOTE]

I'm a newb and heading to Bogota on Thursday - 9/26-9/30.

Not sure I'll be able to find - "a 2-story commercial building on the next corner south from Parque Calle 106" (what's the cross street).

Could you be a little descriptive as to the address. Thanks. Def. Want to check out the mezzanine (s).

[QUOTE=Rumpus;2374354]Checked out the Mezzanines that have been discussed here.

On a quiet Sunday morning the good people of Bogota were riding their bicycles on the side of the main road that was closed for their benefit that day. Two of the mezzanine doors were open and each had 3 girls and a madam (early afternoon). The girls opened the door, looked out, and waved me over. One other door was ajar but nobody peeked out of that one. 2 or more other closed doors, not sure when or if they all open at once.

One set of girls (taller, less my taste) quoted 100 K. The other set quoted 80 K. For 50 minutes everything included.

From another post here (describing "closets") I was expecting the rooms to be like broom-closets. Instead they are about the size of small massage rooms, or the non-champagne private rooms at a strip club. The bed / table could be larger, might be a problem if you're a big dude, but was fine for the purpose. Long enough, but you're not able to roll around.

Good service. Light sensual massage. No rush, everything seemed tranquil at least that day.

Find them in a 2-story commercial building on the next corner south from Parque Calle 106. Go up the steps and around back (away from the street).

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]

My first night here.

Was attacked crossing main street in front of Bagata Towers by 2 teenagers trying to steal a wallet. I kicked one in the balls the other I held off till 6-7 motorcycle cops showed up and beat the hell out of the thieves.

Second day / night / Wednesday.

Met my tour guide it's drizzling. She is young, smart, speaks 5 languages and good looking. Was an amazing 7 hours walking / talking / learning about Bogota. Botero Museum, Candelaria historical sites. I'm keeping her contact info. The evening was just as amazing. Met a blonde (10+ girl of my dreams) from SA. She came to the Bagata. 300,000 COP It would be difficult to find anyone like her in the USA unless you wanted to spend a few thousand dollars. I interviewed 50+ girls on SA. There are gems there, some speak English but it takes time. Most are above hooker quality, some are hookers.

3rd day / night Thursday Woodman.

Was pick pocketed (I had a fake wallet with $50 in it, fake ID's) again in front of the Bagata towers downtown. Walking the street with Woodman looking for Colombian phone chip.

During the evening went on a tour with Woodman. It was raining and there was a power failure in Santa Fe. Power restored after a couple hours. Walked in and out of countless clubs, saw countless street girls, maybe 200+. Only saw 1 on the streets (Venz girl) and 2 in the clubs (both in Troya) that were attractive 8's or 9's. Did one of the dancers at Troya. 70,000 cop plus 35,000 cop drink.

Day 4 – Friday.

Taxi to Museum de Oro then walking around historical areas. Emerald museum. Had to switch rooms same building. Best thing about Bagata Airbnb is the view, it's amazing. Immediate surroundings are very dangerous. Petty thieves all over everywhere. Inside security at Bagata is very safe.

Evening went to Troya and did same dancer. Didn't want to spend hours looking and not finding anything better.

Day 5 - Saturday Went on another tour with new female guide. Very cute, smart, 5 languages, had an awesome day. The sun came out so we went to Monserrat, hiked thru Candalaria and back to my hotel. 5 hours. Rested up and went to Santa Fe Troya again! Found new dancer $100,000 cop but early knock on the door (girl was an 8/9 but interruption sucks. Woodman stopped in and we wandered Santa Fe. Better weather but the same quality girls. You guys find this area worth going to? IMHO The time you spend to find a gem you could be with a high quality hooker, yes it will cost you more but really? Guess it's not for me.

Day 6 Sunday – Same cute / smart tour guide. Late breakfast and went to Usaqueen Flea market. Purchased some nice paintings. Uber back to my room and hung out.

Day 7 – Monday. I decide to try something new. Already have SA girl scheduled for 10 PM but I message a bunch of pro's. They are less expensive. LOL Seems like I get an auto reply but later they all start asking when, where etc. I get tired of bullshit so I go to Abadunai Spa. Waste of time. Cutest girl there (only 4 at 4:30 pm) Briana is a 5. Still spend 180,000 full service. Now there's a transportation strike slowing things down. I cancel the hot SA girl and wait for pro to show up. She is 2 hours late but decent service. Photos taken when she was 20 lbs lighter and younger. Oh well. Next time SA.

Day 8 - It's Bogota. My first trip. I leave tomorrow AM. Tour guides are awesome! IMHO Santa Fe is overrated, well unless you like those cheap, mostly unattractive "street sweeties". Tijuana has hotter girls for maybe 50% more dinero. I've been there more times than I can remember. SA is a good option in Colombia, saves time but costs 4 X more than Santa Fe. Sill cheap compared to USA. Tried the 49 club but was a Thursday and it was dead. I will come back. Knowledge is power. You need to decide how much time you have to search. Thanks Woodman.

Oh and get off the monger routine and go do something, a tour, whatever. Bogota is amazing. Especially if you like the rain. LOL.

[QUOTE=Cbmcpa;2374405]I'm a newb and heading to Bogota on Thursday - 9/26-9/30.

Not sure I'll be able to find - "a 2-story commercial building on the next corner south from Parque Calle 106" (what's the cross street).

Could you be a little descriptive as to the address. Thanks. Def. Want to check out the mezzanine (s).[/QUOTE]The mezzanines are on the northwest corner of Calle 104 and Carrera 15. There's a set of stairs right at the corner. There are, or at least there were, places on both sides. Blacked out doors, which will usually be opened up when they see you walk by.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2374475]My first night here.

Was attacked crossing main street in front of Bagata Towers by 2 teenagers trying to steal a wallet. I kicked one in the balls the other I held off till 6-7 motorcycle cops showed up and beat the hell out of the thieves.

Second day / night / Wednesday.

Met my tour guide it's drizzling. She is young, smart, speaks 5 languages and good looking. Was an amazing 7 hours walking / talking / learning about Bogota. Botero Museum, Candelaria historical sites. I'm keeping her contact info. The evening was just as amazing. Met a blonde (10+ girl of my dreams) from SA. She came to the Bagata. 300,000 COP It would be difficult to find anyone like her in the USA unless you wanted to spend a few thousand dollars. I interviewed 50+ girls on SA. There are gems there, some speak English but it takes time. Most are above hooker quality, some are hookers..[/QUOTE]Great post, thanks for sharing. I too seldom will do a repeat of a girl however on night this past visit to SF in April I met this most sexy rolla at Troya and had to repeat the next night and let me say that if I did not have to leave I would probably been back for even more, why? She was so damn sexy, not a stunner but something about her attitude and flirtations that I could die for.

The Tall Man.

Happy they didn't have a knife.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2374475]My first night here.

Was attacked crossing main street in front of Bagata Towers by 2 teenagers trying to steal a wallet. I kicked one in the balls the other I held off till 6-7 motorcycle cops showed up and beat the hell out of the thieves.

Second day / night / Wednesday.

Met my tour guide it's drizzling. She is young, smart, speaks 5 languages and good looking. Was an amazing 7 hours walking / talking / learning about Bogota. Botero Museum, Candelaria historical sites. I'm keeping her contact info. The evening was just as amazing. Met a blonde (10+ girl of my dreams) from SA. She came to the Bagata. 300,000 COP It would be difficult to find anyone like her in the USA unless you wanted to spend a few thousand dollars. I interviewed 50+ girls on SA. There are gems there, some speak English but it takes time. Most are above hooker quality, some are hookers.

3rd day / night Thursday Woodman.

Was pick pocketed (I had a fake wallet with $50 in it, fake ID's) again in front of the Bagata towers downtown. Walking the street with Woodman looking for Colombian phone chip...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]IMHO Santa Fe is overrated, well unless you like those cheap, mostly unattractive "street sweeties". Tijuana has hotter girls for maybe 50% more dinero. I've been there more times than I can remember. SA is a good option in Colombia, saves time but costs 4 X more than Santa Fe. Sill cheap compared to USA. Tried the 49 club but was a Thursday and it was dead. I will come back. Knowledge is power. You need to decide how much time you have to search. Thanks Woodman..[/QUOTE]Haven't been there in 10 years but back then there were many hotties. With the influx of Venezolanas, I got to believe there are more. Ill be there this weekend. Can't wait to see what's up. Thanks for your report.

It is on this Map:

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1Y7d556oDwhh_X83ZCec7ItKPaXQ&ll=4.690041218271294%2C-74.06857781673068&z=14[/URL]

[QUOTE=Cbmcpa;2374405]I'm a newb and heading to Bogota on Thursday - 9/26-9/30.

Not sure I'll be able to find - "a 2-story commercial building on the next corner south from Parque Calle 106" (what's the cross street).

Could you be a little descriptive as to the address. Thanks. Def. Want to check out the mezzanine (s).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cbmcpa;2374405]I'm a newb and heading to Bogota on Thursday - 9/26-9/30.

Not sure I'll be able to find - "a 2-story commercial building on the next corner south from Parque Calle 106" (what's the cross street).

Could you be a little descriptive as to the address. Thanks. Def. Want to check out the mezzanine (s).[/QUOTE]You'll find them easily enough. It's actually quite obvious once you're there.

There are very cute girls there, but be prepared for some very small spaces and a real lack of privacy.

On the corner across from the gas station. Up the stairs. You can't miss it.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2362106] Sometimes they are just weak men who can't find anyone except a prostitute to be with them.[/QUOTE]"Weak men"? That's very good on the self-awareness aspect.

[QUOTE=Cbmcpa;2374404]This is on point-.

Don't. I repeat. Don't fall in love. Do not. Do not. Why am I saying this. Because I did. And it didn't end well unfortunately. I didn't even meet a working girl. Met her on the cable car going up to Parque Arvi in Medellin with her son. The problem. They know you are leaving. And they don't want that. So even if they are sincere (mine was. I think) they need you to live there. Those that are working. Well that's another story.[/QUOTE]Met 2 girls in a cable car coming down from Parque Arvi. They were very friendly and I could have easily chosen one for nocturnal action. But then I figured that's one girl for the same amount of time as I can bang many hookers and I bummed out. The girls did not look happy when I did not ask for their contacts.

[QUOTE=Routard;2368678]In Colombia people use cash to pay the most unlikely things. I sold my car 2 month ago, the woman took the cash money from her handbag as if she was paying a coffee. People queue every month to pay cash their gas, electricity, water, phone bill or apartment rental. And a hooker will ask a bank account transfer???[/QUOTE]The reason for the widespread use of cash is that the banks charge too much for almost everything: ATM withdrawals, ATM balance check, credit card monthly fee, debit card monthly fee, etc etc some banks even charge a fee for the sole reason of having an account with them. This has led to people from lower incomes stopping usage of banks altogether.

- Overall, Columbia doesn't seem too bad scam-wise, for a "3rd" world country. It seems I get charged normal prices from food carts and restaurants without posted prices, unlike Vietnam.

- Note, I look like a tourist. After I say anything, it's obvious I'm a tourist.

- Taxi drivers waiting at the airport have attempted to scam me every time. I've only used it 3 times. Now I use Uber, even with the hassle of the airport pick-up. The meters in Bogota are translated via a chart to calculate the fare. The first time, the taxi driver pointed at the meter. He wanted me to pay few hundred thousand pesos, for a 30 K fare. The other 2 times, they attempted to add around 5 or 10 K pesos. They helped load and unload my luggage. Do locals tip the taxi drivers? I don't mind tipping. I was going to tip anyway. But I hate to be extorted for a tip.

- Sometimes even away from the airport, taxi drivers attempted to get several thousand extra pesos from me. I don't believe locals tip, especially when they don't help with any bags. I normally will round up, but I hate it when they do that on their own.

- Once in Candalaria, I got into a taxi that was just parked during rush hour. Lucky day I thought. But the meter started at 25. That probably was the old starting point. It is now at 28. My scam sensor went off. I was looking at the road / meter most of the way. I put my head down for a brief moment to look at my phone. The meter went from 60 to 90 during that time. So, be careful if any meter starts at 25.

- Once I got a taxi to use the meter from Santa Fe. At the end of the ride, the meter was turned off and a LED display said something like the fare is X, which was several thousand pesos extra.

- All the waiters in the Santa Fe strip clubs are ALL scammers, if you are a tourist. They added between 2 to 14 K pesos for my beer. California club was the worst. Even one bartender lied when I asked to verify. Do locals tip for a beer? I have never seen a local tip for a beer.

- At Venus club, Club Columbia beer is 6 K. Poker is usually 1 K less. The Club Columbia beers on the other main strip clubs is either 7 or 8 K. If you guys paid 10 K for a local beer, you got ripped off. On my first night back this year, I said I would give a huge tip if any waiter gave me a beer at the correct price. None did. Now if any waiter overcharges me, I don't tip. But now, some waiters recognize me, and they don't overcharge me, forcing me to give my normal 2 K tip. LOL!

- When you use your USA credit card, most local credit card processors will give an option to charge either US dollars or COP. If US dollar is selected, they will charge 3.5% extra. IMO, that's a scam.

- I hear conflicting opinions on whether Bogota taxis are safe or not. People write, only use Call taxis, or pretend to send a picture to a friend once you get into a taxi. Many people say taxis are safe. I am more of the later opinion (taxis are safe, especially if taken from a good area), but I am still paranoid.

- Are taxis taken from Santa Fe safe? I am assuming they are. Are there any real stories of taxis drivers from Santa Fe mugging their customers? But because I'm paranoid, I normally only take taxis that are parked, where the taxi drivers are known.

- It seems many parked taxis will not use their meters, especially if they are parked on that main street. I've seen drunk locals get into and then immediately out of a parked taxi. The other night, the taxi driver requested 20 K for a max 14 K fare. It is cheaper than the Uber surge price, and definitely quicker.

- Uber sucks if you need a pick-up from Santa Fe. Many times, the Uber driver will cancel once they get to the area. They believe it's dangerous. But why the fuck do they have to wait 8 minutes to cancel. They should know what Santa Fe is. Sometimes multiple Uber drivers in a row will cancel on you. Sometimes late at night, it can take a long time to get an Uber.

- Uber surge pricing sucks. The normal taxi meter from Santa Fe to Zona Rosa will be between 11 - 14 K. Uber will be between 10600 - 38000 pesos.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2375058]- I hear conflicting opinions on whether Bogota taxis are safe or not. People write, only use Call taxis, or pretend to send a picture to a friend once you get into a taxi. Many people say taxis are safe. I am more of the later opinion (taxis are safe, especially if taken from a good area), but I am still paranoid.

- Are taxis taken from Santa Fe safe? I am assuming they are. Are there any real stories of taxis drivers from Santa Fe mugging their customers? But because I'm paranoid, I normally only take taxis that are parked, where the taxi drivers are known.

- It seems many parked taxis will not use their meters, especially if they are parked on that main street. I've seen drunk locals get into and then immediately out of a parked taxi. The other night, the taxi driver requested 20 K for a max 14 K fare. It is cheaper than the Uber surge price, and definitely quicker.

- Uber sucks if you need a pick-up from Santa Fe. Many times, the Uber driver will cancel once they get to the area. They believe it's dangerous. But why the fuck do they have to wait 8 minutes to cancel. They should know what Santa Fe is. Sometimes multiple Uber drivers in a row will cancel on you. Sometimes late at night, it can take a long time to get an Uber.

- Uber surge pricing sucks. The normal taxi meter from Santa Fe to Zona Rosa will be between 11 - 14 K. Uber will be between 10600 - 38000 pesos.[/QUOTE]Remember the days of flagging down a taxi, getting in, and getting dropped off at a fair price? That still exists. I always negotiate a price first, regardless of a meter, always pay for everything in cash that I brought over from home, and stay in a place where I'll be spending the most time. Do that, and you'll save yourself a lot of headaches. If you like Santa Fe so much, just find a little hotel in the area and walk there, skipping the taxis.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2375121]If you like Santa Fe so much, just find a little hotel in the area and walk there, skipping the taxis.[/QUOTE]On my first trip to Santa Fe, I was paranoid. As I got more comfortable with Santa Fe, it grew on me. But, Santa Fe is still a shithole. I can't stay there 24 hours a day.

I need to stay in an area like Zona Rosa / Zona T. I need a place to eat, drink and play poker (Casino Luckia) in safety. IMO, Zona Rosa is very safe, contrary to what some posters write.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2375163]On my first trip to Santa Fe, I was paranoid. As I got more comfortable with Santa Fe, it grew on me. But, Santa Fe is still a shithole. I can't stay there 24 hours a day.

I need to stay in an area like Zona Rosa / Zona T. I need a place to eat, drink and play poker (Casino Luckia) in safety. IMO, Zona Rosa is very safe, contrary to what some posters write.[/QUOTE]I don't need a Zona Rosa, but I definitely would not stay in Santa Fe either. To me, it is just a place to go get your rocks off then leave, not somewhere to make a vacation of.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2373517]The Venezuela crisis has been good for Bogota.[/QUOTE]- Definitely agree. Santa Fe is amazing. It seems that I've been offered lower average prices compared to 2.5 years ago.

- I've been asked for 25, 30, 35, 40, and 45 K pesos for a session. 30 and 40 K are the 2 numbers I hear most often. I hear 40 K around the main square block. I hear 30 K around the outskirts.

- How long is a standard session? I guess it depends on when that dreaded knock on the door comes. Most girls say 15 or 20 minutes. Some Vennies say 30 minutes.

- The problem is that they knock on the door after approx 12 minutes, indicating time is up. Sometimes, I get 1 hour, but the knock still comes early at 40 minutes.

- What is the standard on who pays for the room? I thought I read that the girl pays for it if you are a local. But most of the time, the girl gets the tourist to pay for it. But some of the Vennies are so new and fresh that they haven't learned how to manipulate the customer into paying for the room.

- What is the standard on if you pay after or before? I thought it was afterwards. Most girls demand the money upfront. Sometimes I just leave the money on the table, and they don't pick it up until afterwards.

- I like to know the standard. More info to judge the girl. I like to get a girl for a quickie. Do a test drive. Then if everything is good, I rent them for an hour. The girls seem to be very happy with 100 K for 1 hour, with me paying for the room. I jokingly tell them, isn't the standard 70 K for 1 hour. Then they reply, yes, but that is just normal stuff. We do everything for that higher price. BBBJ, CIM, lesbian rimming. Yes they do!

- Many girls will renege in the room. Some will not do the things they promised. Some will ask for more money. Some will say no more BBBJ after a few minutes. I try not to get angry. It is a cost of doing business, and it is so cheap.

- Many girls in Santa Fe are decent. Some girls were stunners 20 years ago. Some girls could be stunners if they lost 20 kilos. Some girls are very cute, but are of dubious age. And of course, many girls are ugly.

- There are some cute Vennies out there. They are desperate. It seems they are only allowed to use some of the motels since they don't have a Colombian ID. There's one that uses the motel next to California Club. Alajendra. 19 years old. No baby. Recommended. She's a white Vennie with blackish toes. She said she got frostbite walking from Cucuta to Bogota. She has only been here for a few months.

- I much prefer Bogota's Santa Fe over Medellin's Veracruz. Bogota has so much more girls and options.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2375190]The girls seem to be very happy with 100 K for 1 hour, [/QUOTE]I am sure they are. I have gotten most chicks in Santa Fe to agree to 100K for all night.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2375198]I am sure they are. I have gotten most chicks in Santa Fe to agree to 100K for all night.[/QUOTE]LOL! I like to make the girls happy. I definitely will not DATY or even kiss a SW.

[URL]http://www.salariominimocolombia.net/en/[/URL]

Yes, the 100 K pesos for 1 hour is a lot higher than the hourly minimum wage of 3,450 COP, or even the daily minimum wage of 27,604 COP.

I talked to several girls. One average girl said she makes between 100 - 200 COP a day. An above average girl with a great 18 year old body said she makes 150 K on a bad day, and between 300 - 400 COP on a good day.

[QUOTE=Cbmcpa;2374404]
Don't. I repeat. Don't fall in love. Do not. Do not. Why am I saying this. Because I did. And it didn't end well unfortunately. I didn't even meet a working girl. Met her on the cable car going up to Parque Arvi in Medellin with her son. The problem. They know you are leaving. And they don't want that. So even if they are sincere (mine was. I think) they need you to live there. Those that are working. Well that's another story.[/QUOTE]Most times, you fall in love, it is not going to end well, and there is going to be pain. Half of all marriages. On the other hand, my ex kind of showed me that deep down that I wanted a stable relationship but it turns out it was not with her. But I think it's important to point out that some STRs are a pain too: no shows, poor performance ETC.

This last trip to Colombia I only focused on the women I had previously met. I had my fun or two on Santa Fe and with a few of the younger women I had previously met and two new ones, but they were definitely more escorts than SBs. Out of the dozen or more I met, there were two that I had met that had LTR potential, and they both worked so I wasn't able to spend much time with them.

One worked at a store in the mall, was free one day away a week and was in her 30's. This was the kind of woman everyone told me to look for. She was either #1 or #2 in terms of being striking, competed back in the day in the Ms. Venezuela competition even though she had dual Venezuelan-Colombian citizenship, and I could see why. She had a perfect hour glass figure, clothes were well picked out and put together, and she sang a song for me that was indistinguishable from the original and was pitch perfect. She danced like a pro and had, and I don't know how to describe this, an incredibly sexy walk. She told me that she hadn't had sex in a year, and given how tight she was, how horny she was, and how bad she was at giving head, I believed her. Once again, we spent all night going at it, and the next day we went to the mall. It was there that things got rocky.

She works in a mall, and I think that she has had to see time and again, things that she wants and can't have. She wanted everything, and it was so bad I put her on a budget. She fretted at first but then lived within it. Her needs were getting out of debt. Once she did that, she could get a Spanish passport and could travel visa free to the USA Whenever she wanted. Thing was if I got her out of debt, she was free to see any other American guy as well. During our mall trip, she spent half of what it would have cost to get her out of debt.

During the time, I communicated with the ex, and I realized that this woman brought to the table the same things the ex did. In the end, she would be there for sex, companionship, and to have a beautiful, talented, and highly intelligent woman on my arm, and that was it. In return, she would expect to be pampered, to eat at the best restaurants, have the most fashionable clothes ETC, and she showed less restraint with this than my ex did. I remembered what the psychologist on narcissism had said: you want a partner who makes you feel good. This was a woman who could make you look good but suck you dry money wise.

Thing is she did have a thing for great restaurants. I went to Andres DC in Zona T and had the best meal I had in Bogota, and the second best was Smoking Molly, a jazz type bar with amazing food. My conversations with the ex though had me convinced I was making the same mistake again. I was focusing on what made me look good versus someone who made me feel good.

There was a teacher I had seen. She wasn't as stunning but very attractive. She was like an 8 out of 10, but she was very upbeat, lit up the room with her smile, and children unlike my ex ran up to her as if they were life long friends. When we first met, I was between hotels, and she helped me pack and move. Instead of asking for an Uber, she took the bus and was happy to do so. She was an incredibly giving lover. We never talked price, and when I did finally give her money, she said, "I am not here for that" and didn't even count it.

So I reached out to her again. She came via bus, was happy with a simple meal, and at this time, after having my fun, I told her I wanted to get to know her better. She had quit her teaching job due to the long hours, and she was making it baby sitting for now. I was skeptical that she was still seeing other men, but she said that she had only been with six men in her life. One one night stand, two BFs, and me and two other guys from seeking arrangement. She said that she hadn't been on the website in over a month, and she felt badly about being on it. I checked and it was true. She had just broken up with her BF a year ago after being with him for 10 years. There were still pics of him on her social media page, and she unlike my ex was very open about showing me everything.

On our second night together, I had grown tired of the cold in Bogota. My father told me the best way to get to know someone was to take a trip with them. I told her that I longed to go somewhere warm. I had heard of Cartagena and Santa Marta, and she told me that Santa Marta was good as was San Andres. I had never heard of San Andres but I could tell she really wanted to go. For last minute type of planning, the flights were cheap and we got a good deal on the hotel room. She was glowing after we got the tickets, and I then asked her, "Have you been on a plane before?" She told me that she had one time when she was seven. She was going to pack her one athletic bag (she had no suitcases), but on the way out of the hotel room with great excitement in her voice, she said, "I love you. " Given that my Spanish and her English weren't that great, I wasn't sure she understood the significance of the words, and I didn't repeat them back to her.

I read on this forum that some guys didn't like San Andres, and I really don't know what they are talking about. We loved every second of it. Issues emerge when we were traveling as they always do, and she and I calmly found a way to solve things. When we went to the nearby islands, we missed out boat back, but she calmly found us another ride. The other boat had a tour guide, and he was better. That guide took us to a place where we saw manta rays, and at the end, he asked us all to look for a starfish. We located one, the guide dove in and grabbed it, and we all took pictures with it. It was an unforgettable experience.

Yes, she was the same incredible lover every night, but it was the little things that mattered. When we went to buy groceries, she got a body lotion and spent 30 minutes every night giving me a massage. There were the times on the boat and beach, she reached out and grabbed my hand and stroked my skin. Many times, she reached in her own wallet to pay for things versus looking at me.

One thing when being with the ex was that I NEVER saw a more attractive woman when we were out together. Granted, we spent most of our time in Mexico and Peru and not in Argentina or Brazil, but this time in San Andres, I did see women physically as attractive as mine, but they gave off this bitchy, entitled vibe my gal didn't. When I started taking pictures of her, I realized that the same friendly, giving spirit she had in real life came off in the photos. I didn't see anyone I wanted more, and there were hundreds of biking clad women on the beaches.

I told her that I wanted to see her every month. My job will allow me to see her on weekends if she comes to Mexico every month, but we are going to work on getting her a tourist and then possibly a student visa. I am going to pay for her English classes and the amount I give her per month would be the same as an hour for an escort in the USA It's not as much as she was making as a teacher, but she said, "I will work as a waitress and keep up with my babysitting, and it will be the same as my teaching salary. " Those jobs will give her the flexibility in her schedule.

When we got back to Bogota, we had sex again, and she had to leave. She repeated those three words, and I said, "I love you too". Still, even thought the words were said, I don't have the same emotional depth I had with the ex. I have great affection for her, but I am not in love with her. If I didn't hear from her again, I would be bummed but not emotionally devastated. Hopefully, the in love part will come later.

I get what the guys are saying here. You need to be with them every day and maybe that is true, but my gal didn't like to drink and seemed pretty happy spending her nights caring for children instead of being out partying. She has been tight with her family so she has companions in her life, and she has had long term relationships before and I can see on her social media pages that she has had life long friends. Unlike so many other women, she seems to be one who can defer gratification.

The Ven-Col beauty is on the website every day and outside of my woman, she was the other best LTR prospect. The other women I met were if not escorts, escortish, and I think anyone falling for them would get in trouble. They were stunning to look at, sexually were amazing, and they had that Colombian vibe where they make a man feel so special.

Still, if this doesn't work out, I will probably give up on a LTR with a Latin American woman and focus on American women. It's just hard given the higher quality of woman available in the South American countries.

[QUOTE=Cbmcpa;2374404]Don't. I repeat. Don't fall in love. Do not. Do not. Why am I saying this. Because I did. And it didn't end well unfortunately. I didn't even meet a working girl. Met her on the cable car going up to Parque Arvi in Medellin with her son. The problem. They know you are leaving. And they don't want that. So even if they are sincere (mine was. I think) they need you to live there. Those that are working. Well that's another story.[/QUOTE]I beg to differ. I have been in relationships with women from various countries for the last 20 years and have not had any heartache or anything ending badly. Most I could even call tomorrow if I wanted to start again. And these are women that I have given ZERO money to. You gave no specifics on why not. You just ordered everyone DON'T! Care to elaborate? These are recent conversations with exes from Brazil, Peru, Venezuela, and Colombia.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2375270]I beg to differ. I have been in relationships with women from various countries for the last 20 years and have not had any heartache or anything ending badly. Most I could even call tomorrow if I wanted to start again. And these are women that I have given ZERO money to. You gave no specifics on why not. You just ordered everyone DON'T! Care to elaborate? These are recent conversations with exes from Brazil, Peru, Venezuela, and Colombia.[/QUOTE]I think we're talking 2 different things here. Maybe I've got you wrong, but I don't see you throwing yourself at some girls feet and begging her not to leave you. More than likely, if she wants to leave, you're holding the door for her with one hand while scrolling through your contacts for a replacement.

Don't fall in love is a warning for the first timers. It can be overwhelming having some girl 20-30 years younger hanging on you and telling you how much she loves you. It doesn't make it easier when she's much hotter than the girls who were hanging on you when you were 20-30 years younger.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2375252]There was a teacher I had seen. She wasn't as stunning but very attractive. She was like an 8 out of 10, but she was very upbeat, lit up the room with her smile, and children unlike my ex ran up to her as if they were life long friends. When we first met, I was between hotels, and she helped me pack and move. Instead of asking for an Uber, she took the bus and was happy to do so. She was an incredibly giving lover. We never talked price, and when I did finally give her money, she said, "I am not here for that" and didn't even count it.

Still, if this doesn't work out, I will probably give up on a LTR with a Latin American woman and focus on American women. It's just hard given the higher quality of woman available in the South American countries.[/QUOTE]Can I call dibs on this one if you dump her?

[QUOTE=Magaman;2375443]Can I call dibs on this one if you dump her?[/QUOTE]LOL. I don't see that happening, but if it does, sure.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2375440]I think we're talking 2 different things here. Maybe I've got you wrong, but I don't see you throwing yourself at some girls feet and begging her not to leave you. More than likely, if she wants to leave, you're holding the door for her with one hand while scrolling through your contacts for a replacement.[/QUOTE]And when it is done that way you can not get them to leave! You can not be a creme puff when it comes to women. You have to be a MAN. If you haven't made a woman cry, you have no business being in a relationship with her.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2375587]And when it is done that way you can not get them to leave! You can not be a creme puff when it comes to women. You have to be a MAN. If you haven't made a woman cry, you have no business being in a relationship with her.[/QUOTE]Haha, that's your opinion, and total BS IMO.

You're not a man unless you make a woman cry?
Hmmmm, OK.
In your world.

Hi all,

Heading to Bogota for the first time over a long weekend in November. Not too keen on partaking in the SantaFe streetwalker scene (considering the time I am there for) and looking for a independent / agency route. If I like the lady, may do the whole night. Is it possible to negotiate with the agency escorts to come as independents for a longer period of time? Any recommendations on agencies or independents? You can PM me as well.

Thank you in advance.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2375595]Haha, that's your opinion, and total BS IMO.

You're not a man unless you make a woman cry?
Hmmmm, OK.
In your world.[/QUOTE]That is not what I said.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2375612]That is not what I said.[/QUOTE]True, I stand corrected on my misquote.

However;.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2375587]You have to be a MAN. If you haven't made a woman cry, you have no business being in a relationship with her.[/QUOTE]Totally disagree with your above statement.

I've had many great relationships with no crying from anyone involved, LOL.

Including my current favorita en Rio, for about 18 months now.

No crying, just love, LOL.

See Pic (following your lead of posting convos, LOL).

[QUOTE=Kunjur;2375608]Hi all,

Heading to Bogota for the first time over a long weekend in November. Not too keen on partaking in the SantaFe streetwalker scene (considering the time I am there for) and looking for a independent / agency route. If I like the lady, may do the whole night. Is it possible to negotiate with the agency escorts to come as independents for a longer period of time? Any recommendations on agencies or independents? You can PM me as well.

Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]You can ask for an escort for an hour and once she is there negociate with her directly. You will both avoid the agency fee that is roughly 50%.

Thanks Routard. I read some good reviews on some Spanish forums for the LaCelestina agency. Will try them out and use your recommended approach.

[QUOTE=Routard;2375670]You can ask for an escort for an hour and once she is there negociate with her directly. You will both avoid the agency fee that is roughly 50%.[/QUOTE]

Recently returned from a 10 day combined 7 day Bogota and 3 day Cali trip. (not including two days of travel time).

To help plan the trip like to thank World Travel 69, for his great maps, and Tomjackin for his many contributions and great Cali trip report. Had the pleasure of meeting both of these guys in Quito seems like about 3-4 years ago. Also like to thank Woodman for his Santa Fe tour. More about that below. And Routard for his amazing and comprehensive report.

Arrived at the Ibis Museo hotel in Bogota, (recommended on this board), very late Friday night. The Ibis I'd consider to be a mid range hotel and not a bad deal for $45 per night. It had a good buffet breakfast and I had lunch and dinner there a few times. And of course the big advantage is that it is within 15 minutes walking distance to the Santa Fe Red light district.

Saturday.

Was feeling a bit wiped out Saturday morning but couldn't sleep so decided to check out the Chapinero area for daytime casas following the WT 69 map First tried to find Chicas Mellenio recommended by Routard but should have read more recent reports that showed it to have moved from it's calle 71 location. There was another casa right in the same area but I was not impressed by the selection of 4 to 5 girls. It was early though. 11 am so that could have had something to do with it.

Walking from Calle 71 to around calle 61 I found Bellezas and Figuras which had 4 to 5 girls available. I'd rate them Ok but not great and so I passed. Looked for Pussy House in the same area and found it but that was around 3 pm and it was basicly empty. Not sure if it was even open. All in all I was off to a slow start but it was partly my own fault as I was just getting my bearings and adapting to the somewhat confusing by USA Standards street address numbering. I think it's possible also as Woodman told me that the daytime casas are better Monday to Friday. I learned over time also that it could be easier and faster to walk than to take Uber or a taxi. Some uber drivers were pretty skilled in getting around congested traffic but most were not.

Met Woodman at the Ibis seems like around 4 PM Saturday. We then walked to Santa Fe from there. About half of the 15 minute walk looks a bit sketchy but plenty of other pedestrians so I'm sure not dangerous at all until late at night if then. I did make the walk around 8 to 9 pm a couple of times and it seemed reasonably safe walking east on calle 24 past avenida Caracas and to carrera 7 and then north to the Ibis.

Woodman started the tour around calle 19 or 20 and we cruised north checking out carreras 15 and 16 up to the main bar areas between calles 23 and 24. Some reports have advised to steer clear of anything south of 23 but I don't think that area is dangerous except perhaps very late. In general I found carrera 15, (the closest street parallel to avenida Caracas) to be the main street girl area all the way from calle 19 and 20 up to 24. There's some on carrera 16 also but mainly only from calle 22 or 23 up to 24.

Woodman did a great job of showing me about. Thanks Woodman! Even though it was early around 5 to 6 pm there were quite a lot of street girls out and Woodman explained that it would get even better and it did. We stopped and talked to a few of them. I speak passable Spanish so that's extremely helpful. I was trying for a BBBJ though and probably about 3/4 ths of them would not do that. The prices were quite amazing though at 25 to 40 mil (8 to 13 dollars! I'd offer double that for BBBJ and besos. No sense in negotiating hard at these prices. LOL.

Finally found one who met all of my requirements. She was quite good looking by my tastes Said 20 and looked it. Slim but curvy, light skinned morena Vennie. Seemed like a great attitude and pretty face and I fell in love. I don't recall the exact final price as she was upselling me in the room but I think it worked out to about 100 mil total for 30-40 minutes and that included CIM. Wow! 30 dollars for all that! Got her whatsapp number and left.

Woodman graciously waited for me and then we hit the main bar area. Venus was good at the slightly lower end in girl quality and prices. Troya was a bit too loud for me although plenty of girls. My favorite was Atunes. Loud but not as loud as Troya and a high density of attractive girls. The tour was mostly over by then but once in the main bar area it felt safe to be on my own. The bars were fun and the women on average somewhat better and friendlier than the street girls. Got myself a 15 mil naked table dance. Wow! This was with an exceptionally good looking 33 year old vennie. Would have not guessed 33 but did look over 25. Very fine looking and this was a full contact nude dance! I was spent though and called it a night.

Sunday.

I tried to hook up again with the previous days street girl but she was not responding on whatsapp. She did eventually respond but by then it was too late. Ended up doing another even better looking SG. Super shapely 19 year old vennie who agreed to BBBJ. This girl was talented but it was a bit mechanical and passionless and she would not go for CIM either. Did get a nice picture of her backside though to remind me of her smoking body. Can't recall the overall price. 70 mil at most.

Monday.

I used this day mostly for tourist activity and then unexpectedly got caught up in having to do some work remotely. Went to Pussy house seems like around 7-8 PM. It was just heating up at that time. Had one girl aggressively attach herself to me but she wasn't particularly to my liking. Then met another one who I was quite enthralled with. Very well built and somewhat native looking which is not necessarily my type but this girl definitely had something Could have gone to an onsite room for 70-80 k for an hour but all covered so I passed. Got her whatsapp for possibilities at my hotel another day but when I contacted her the next day she claimed to have gone too the nearby town Tunja due to family issues. Not sure I would have pulled the trigger in any case if she insisted on everything covered but maybe. Pussy House was a large American style strip bar. I liked it on the whole although with my non fluent Spanish the loud music made communication difficult. Beer was 8 k per bottle I recall.

Tuesday.

Met up with the first day Vennie again on Tuesday evening. Unfortunately she had turned in to a bit of a shark and I let my guard down. I paid 150 mil this time up front for one hour of what I thought would be a repeat of the first time. It wasn't! Everything was an upsell in the room. Even Besos which I though was a given based on the prior experience. Pictures? Extra! Somehow I talked her in to a BBBJ CIM again same as first time (which I thought was already the deal) by hinting dishonestly at repeat business. The whole thing was over in about 25 minutes even though I paid for the hour. Fine by me since she seemed like a different girl than the first time.

After that she bugged me incessantly via whatsapp to come back for another round. But then the shoe was on the other foot. Was mostly just a fun exercise to see what she would agree to. Pay afterwards? Sure! BBBJ? CIM?. BESOS? YES definitely all included! Never even got around to the price but I'm sure that would easily go lower too. So lesson learned. If I ever go back to Santa Fe. I'll offer MORE than the standard rates but only if they accept payment after!

Wednesday.

I checked out the Mezannine and Abudubai. Both in the afternoon. Mezannine was pretty much as described in other reports. Above average girls but not spectacular. Drawback for me though was everything covered. I checked out Abudubai next. Out of 7 or 8 available at least 3 or 4 were top notch. I still did not partake though as I brought only 140 mil in cash and the price was 180! I was thinking this would just be a scouting trip for a future day but half changed my mind once I saw what was available! I left Abudubai and a block or 2 away a lady struck up a conversation with me asking me what I was looking for.

She then led me to Sensity which was close by in walking distance and said that Sensity was affiliated with Abudubai or same ownership or something like that. Told her about my lack of funds and she said something could be worked out. Believe it or not Sensity actually had even MORE top notch girls then abudubai. Picked a girl I'd rate as a solid 8 and with a very sweet personality too. She was Colombian and looked mostly caucasian and about 22 but deflected the question about her age so could have been older. BBBJ was included but not CIM. Only regret was not bringing enough pesos for an hour. I did get her whatsapp though and she was agreeable to go to my hotel after 7 PM for 230 mil for an hour on another day. That was tempting.

Thursday Cali.

Took a quick 40 minute plane ride to Cali and was there by 1 PM. Round trip from Bogota cost only $86 on Avianca. Stayed at the Ibis Granada. This was noticeably better than the Ibis Museo in Bogota and for only $30 per night and it's also in a fairly nice area within walking distance of many bars and restaurants.

That afternoon and in to the night I started checking out many of the spots recommended by Tomjackin. Doctor Amor, Caras Lindas, Eventos Liz and Flores Frescas among others. Didn't have the energy to partake so this was basicly just a scouting mission Eventos Liz seemed a bit rough around the edges but I liked it and it had a couple of doable chicas in the later afternoon when I was there. Got to Flores Frescas around 8 PM but that was somewhat too early. Or maybe not because I was the only customer for a half hour with 5 or 6 available chicas. They were mostly decent but not good enough for me to pull the trigger which I wasn't planning on anyway.

Dr. Amor showed me a line up of about 7 or 8 fairly decent looking ones. My only minor complaint about Dr Amor is that it may have become too popular. More customers in the waiting area than available girls. I know that it's not your girl, "It's your turn", but it makes it easier to put that out of my mind without so many other guys around LOL.

I found Caras Lindas girls to be the same quality or almost as good as Dr. Amor but in a less factory like setting and for a lower price. Although with less to choose from also. At least when I was there in late afternoon.

Friday Cali.

I scouted out casas in the morning and based on the enticing pictures in a mileroticos ad, I took an uber to Masajes Erotico del Norte. On calle 48. I recall I got there by 11 am. Was the only customer and they showed me a lineup of 12 introducing themselves one at a time! Wow! At least half I would be happy with. Hard to choose but I chose the last one presented. A curvy 23 year old mulatta with a perfectly shaped butt and a fantastic attitude. Seemed thrilled to be with me. Regular pricing was 70 mil for an hour. An extra 30-40 mil for BBBJ CIM. Got some wonderful pictures even including face pics. Had a great rapport with her in the room even with my less than fluent spanish. Got her whatsapp and left quite happy.

Saturday Cali.

Decided to give Dr. Amor another try 1 PM in the afternoon. Less than 5 girls to choose from and seemed like at least 7 or 8 guys in the waiting room. I chose a fairly attractive one but the session was kind of ho hum. BBBJ for an extra 50 k but no CIM, no besos and no pictures. Maybe my fault because I forgot to negotiate all that up front. Great looking girl but a kind of ho hum session. Couple of hours later I was feeling bored and decided to whatsapp the Calle 48 girl just for company over dinner. She arrived at my hotel around 7:30.

We hit a couple of bars that were within walking distance. It was quite a strain for my spanish to keep up with her rapid fire delivery but she had no trouble understanding me at least. It felt very much more like being on a hot date than being with a hooker. She claimed that she had gotten no customers all day without me asking about it and seemed quite genuinely taken with my "ojitos lindos" Beautiful eyes. Always love it when they flatter my blue eyes.

Had a very fun 2-3 hours bar hopping before heading back to the hotel. She was coy about it but basicly invited herself to stay at my hotel over night even though I had to leave the next morning at 8 am back to Bogota. We had already agreed to 200 mil for an indeterminate amount of time and she was polite enough to at least not ask for more money for the over night.

Unfortunately I did not have a lot left over after the earlier Dr. Amor trip in the room. She tried everything imaginable by way of GFE for a couple of hours and I had the most fun I've ever had with a girl without having an orgasm. (although I came close). Then fell asleep by around midnight with her wrapping her naked self around me. Nice. Next morning I gave her 250 mil which she seemed happy with plus taxi money. I'm still exchanging passionate text messages and pictures with her a few days later back home! Damn!

Sunday (2nd one).

Took an early flight out and back to Bogota and the Ibis Museo. Just a day of relaxation.

Monday (2nd one).

Decided to give the chapinero day casas another try Monday morning. I was much better prepared this time. Took an uber to La Bonita Spa on Calle 67 but at 10 am was too early and only a couple of available chicas. My memory is a bit hazy but I think I looked but could not find Sirenitas which was supposed to be across the street. Then walked a couple of blocks down to Palmeras Real. Only a couple of chicas available there also but one was very tempting. Checked out the other couple of casas in the same area and decided to kill an hour having lunch and come back at 12. Good decision.

After 12 I visited Gaticas on Caracas near 64. Was a pretty mediocre selection of about 5 and I left. Then visited Rosaquillas and another casa close by which had only a small number available. Then I walked back up to the Palmeras Real area and went in to Casa Verde. And that's where I struck gold. I was the only customer and 12 chicas came out in a very crowded line up all at the same time! A bit overwhelming and intoxicating. I picked one and she sat down with me. But on closer inspection I could see that it was not the best pick.

Luckily alot of the other 12 had also sat down near by and I made the switch to a different one. She quoted 70 mil for the hour and 40 mil for 30 minutes plus 10 mil for the room. I asked her how much more for BBBJ and besos. Only 15 mil! Got to the upstairs room and she added 10 mil for pictures. This girl was delightful. Maybe 5 foot 2, morena, Venezuelan, beautiful face. Said she was 22 but I would have guessed 19. Slim figure but still some curves and chest. Also had a very agreeable and pleasant attitude. Slight baby damage but hardly noticable. Pictures including face and body pictures together no problem at all. I was in love. 25 mil more for CIM. Her BBBJ technique was exquisite. The best of the trip. And the regular sex was exceptional too. Very hard not to end it that way.

Ended up finishing up just under the 30 minutes. Would have gladly extended that if need be. She then suggested that I take down her number for a possible all nighter and asked what hotel I was in. How much? 200 mil! OMG! That's like $60 USA! For a girl of that quality I would have seriously considered $200. Would have been 3-400 in Tijuana. Dang! Really should have met her on the first day instead of the last.

Next day Tuesday I took an early flight out to get back home. Very fun trip and I come down firmly on the side of Colombia being much better in quality not to mention price compared to Tijuana to add my two cents to that debate. Not saying Tijuana's not fine. It is. But Bogota is much better and Cali is better yet than Bogota. In my humble opinion!

Have a few hours left on my trip. It's 3 pm on Sunday in Chapinero. Any suggestions if you get this before Monday.

[QUOTE=DiegoSan4;2376065]Recently returned from a 10 day combined 7 day Bogota and 3 day Cali trip. (not including two days of travel time).

To help plan the trip like to thank World Travel 69, for his great maps, and Tomjackin for his many contributions and great Cali trip report. Had the pleasure of meeting both of these guys in Quito seems like about 3-4 years ago. Also like to thank Woodman for his Santa Fe tour. More about that below. And Routard for his amazing and comprehensive report.

Arrived at the Ibis Museo hotel in Bogota, (recommended on this board), very late Friday night. The Ibis I'd consider to be a mid range hotel and not a bad deal for $45 per night. It had a good buffet breakfast and I had lunch and dinner there a few times. And of course the big advantage is that it is within 15 minutes walking distance to the Santa Fe Red light district.

Saturday.

Was feeling a bit wiped out Saturday morning but couldn't sleep so decided to check out the Chapinero area for daytime casas following the WT 69 map First tried to find Chicas Mellenio recommended by Routard but should have read more recent reports that showed it to have moved from it's calle 71 location. There was another casa right in the same area but I was not impressed by the selection of 4 to 5 girls. It was early though. 11 am so that could have had something to do with it..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2375270]I beg to differ. I have been in relationships with women from various countries for the last 20 years and have not had any heartache or anything ending badly. Most I could even call tomorrow if I wanted to start again. And these are women that I have given ZERO money to. These are recent conversations with exes from Brazil, Peru, Venezuela, and Colombia.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the laugh. And, thanks for the pictures. The beauty of yo fine girls really comes thru.

[QUOTE=Cbmcpa;2376278]Have a few hours left on my trip. It's 3 pm on Sunday in Chapinero. Any suggestions if you get this before Monday.[/QUOTE]Is it OK to post a whatsapp number of a girl? Normally I wouldn't do that but since it's unlikely I'll ever see her again I'm willing to share.

[QUOTE=DiegoSan4;2376329]Is it OK to post a whatsapp number of a girl? Normally I wouldn't do that but since it's unlikely I'll ever see her again I'm willing to share.[/QUOTE]'Willingness' based on unlikeliness to repeat? How classy of you. See on the mileroticos ads where it shows how many times a girl has been contacted in a single day and that will tell you what kind of an idea it is to post her whatsapp number.

Wondering if you'd be kind enough to share the contact details of both of your lovely tour guides? I also PM'd you earlier.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2374475]My first night here.

Second day / night / Wednesday.

Met my tour guide it's drizzling. She is young, smart, speaks 5 languages and good looking. Was an amazing 7 hours walking / talking / learning about Bogota. Botero Museum, Candelaria historical sites. I'm keeping her contact info. The evening was just as amazing. Met a blonde (10+ girl of my dreams) from SA. She came to the Bagata. 300,000 COP It would be difficult to find anyone like her in the USA unless you wanted to spend a few thousand dollars. I interviewed 50+ girls on SA. There are gems there, some speak English but it takes time. Most are above hooker quality, some are hookers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DiegoSan4;2376065]Recently returned from a 10 day combined 7 day Bogota and 3 day Cali trip. (not including two days of travel time).

To help plan the trip like to thank World Travel 69, for his great maps, and Tomjackin for his many contributions and great Cali trip report. Had the pleasure of meeting both of these guys in Quito seems like about 3-4 years ago. Also like to thank Woodman for his Santa Fe tour. More about that below. And Routard for his amazing and comprehensive report.

Arrived at the Ibis Museo hotel in Bogota, (recommended on this board), very late Friday night. The Ibis I'd consider to be a mid range hotel and not a bad deal for $45 per night. It had a good buffet breakfast and I had lunch and dinner there a few times. And of course the big advantage is that it is within 15 minutes walking distance to the Santa Fe Red light district..[/QUOTE]I plan on being in Bogota in January. This will really help! Thanks. Will a guy in his 50's have much trouble picking up young ladies?

It is about time you made it to Colombia.

I lost your email and your phone is not working.

Call me or email me.

[QUOTE=DiegoSan4;2376329]Is it OK to post a whatsapp number of a girl? Normally I wouldn't do that but since it's unlikely I'll ever see her again I'm willing to share.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ian1974;2376353]I plan on being in Bogota in January. This will really help! Thanks. Will a guy in his 50's have much trouble picking up young ladies?[/QUOTE]Depends on the size of the ladies and whether or not you have back problems. It's probably better just to let them walk, especially if the room is upstairs.

[QUOTE=DiegoSan4;2376065]I was trying for a BBBJ though and probably about 3/4 ths of them would not do that. The prices were quite amazing though at 25 to 40 mil (8 to 13 dollars! I'd offer double that for BBBJ and besos. No sense in negotiating hard at these prices. LOL.[/QUOTE]In Santa Fe, many of the girls that say no to BBBJ will probably do it for a tip. 20 K COP is a good price. That might include CIM.

[QUOTE=DiegoSan4;2376065]Got myself a 15 mil naked table dance. Wow! This was with an exceptionally good looking 33 year old vennie. Would have not guessed 33 but did look over 25. Very fine looking and this was a full contact nude dance! I was spent though and called it a night.[/QUOTE]Was Woodman with you? As a tourist, I have trouble getting 15 K for a lap dance. 6 minute full contact nude dance? Maybe Woodman's tour is worth it.


[QUOTE=DiegoSan4;2376065]So lesson learned. If I ever go back to Santa Fe. I'll offer MORE than the standard rates but only if they accept payment after![/QUOTE]

I tried that a few times. They have difficulties understanding my Spanish. One time it worked. Other time, in the room, the girl wanted money upfront. As I was leaving, the girl made a scene. I don't like that situation.

The problem with your idea is that the girl will want the payment upfront. Maybe if you fluently explain everything, she will agree.

What I would do is to pay the standard fee. It is so cheap. Then offer a tip afterwards. Even then, some of the girls wanted the tip beforehand. Never found out if the girls would have done it; I never give tips before the deed.

[QUOTE=DiegoSan4;2376065]Could have gone to an onsite room for 70-80 k for an hour but all covered so I passed.[/QUOTE]The covering is usually negotiable. At the Pussy House, I get 80 K COP (no room fee) for 30 minutes (with a 20 minute knock time). Some girl (s) will lie and say it's 1 hour. In the room, I asked for 1 hour, and then she said, are you crazy? There's also a 2 K fee that the girl has to pay, but some will try to make the customer pay.

[QUOTE=DiegoSan4;2376065]Pussy House was a large American style strip bar. I liked it on the whole although with my non fluent Spanish the loud music made communication difficult. Beer was 8 k per bottle I recall.[/QUOTE]The waiter didn't try to charge you 10 or 12 K? All beers cost 7 K. All the prices are written on the tables. Just like Santa Fe, most / all waiters will scam the tourist. When the waiter tries to charge me 10 K, I give them 7 K. The waiters that know me will charge me 7 K, and then I will give 9 K.

[QUOTE=DiegoSan4;2376065]I come down firmly on the side of Colombia being much better in quality not to mention price compared to Tijuana to add my two cents to that debate.[/QUOTE]IMO, that's not even a debate.

Hi all,

I'm a newb. At this mongering gig, so take my report with a grain of salt.

Up front. Only bedded two women (both 19) in 4 days. Goes to show the degree of my mongering. Not accustomed to this. Hopefully next trip I will be.

No need to chronicle my woman adventures as they were limited. My experience in Bogota, however, was not thanks to Kazeau. A big thanks Kazeu.

The highlight of the trip was. By far. Hands down. S anta Fe. Oh, my,god. It's a freak show (a four block freak show) - this is coming from a newb. Mongerer mind you.

Kazeau was kind enough to "hold my hand" as I treaded through the world of Mongering in Bogota. It was invaluable that he helped me. Else, I would have been so petrified (from the reports here) to venture out alone. There are so many people on the streets of Sante Fe (police too), that I didn't find any danger in walking around amongst the crowd. I did have an amazing wingman tho. And Kazeau turns out to be a damn celebrity there. Everyone knows him. The door guys, the sweet girls, everyone. So that's quite helpful getting around.

Santa Fe. The place is off the ritcher. Just nuts. It's actually unbelievable. I couldn't believe my eyes actually. Must have been easy 200 girls in an around the 4 block area. Yes, most were 5's (street walkers) perhaps a 7 mixed in. But for $10 or a little more. Who's complaining. Most if not all under 25 easy.

Troya is pretty much the place you want to be. It was the most happening club (loud as hell tho) - no cover (Thursday) - buy 1/2 a bottle (80,000 and everyone gets free cover or I think it's 7000), beer 7000 pesos ($2. 20), 20000 pesos lap dance ($8. 00) and 60000 20 minute sessions ($20.00) the girls in Troya were upwards of 8's (all very fit) - no 9's or 10's IMHO. But sexy as hell.

I couldn't pull the trigger at Troya B/ CI was looking for the (bring back to my place) girl. That was going to cost me 230,000 and up. I was just a little to unsure of what was up (I'm a newb.) I need the GFE and wasn't under the impression that was going to happen (although another monger that was with us fell in love there).

Not sure the smile has left my face writing this in Miami. It's just that unbelievable. The dominant pretty girls are venezuelans. And yep, all very young.

I visited the infamous Mezzanine on the north end of town (Sante fe is on the south end of Bogota).

This was also a Freak Show. Unbelievable again. (remember I'm a newb.) - as I walked up the stairs the doors started to open with beautiful girls peaking their collective heads out. It was out of this world I ended up with a 19 yr old col. Girl that was actually the maid at one of the rooms (she was mopping the floors when I entered). Sweet, natural, chilll (not into the pro looking girls). The only problem with the Mezzanine is that the rooms are the size of a SHOE BOX. A message table and that's about it. So it limited the enjoyment of the moment. But, whatever -. Due to the size of the rooms, I decided not to return. But the girls are plenty pretty - 80 k - 50 minutes. Got that pricing from ISG. She was OK with it.

And the final escapade was all thanks to Kazeau again. Sunday night. The reports that Sunday is dead is correct. We started searching out casas in Chapinero at about 7 pm Sunday night.

He had the treasure map of the Chapinero Çasas (here on ISG) and we started going door to door. I felt as thought I was in a suspense movie and we were searching for the holy grail. Knocking on doors that looked as though the building was abandoned. Soon after the knock, we'd hear "no hay servicio" I. E. ; no girls. We kept moving and kept knocking. Same response. Arrived at another empty looking building / house and after about 5 minutes, dude shows up and we ask if there are any chicas. Dude says he has two (this is Sunday night remember) - so we ventured in. K was basically showing me the ropes. I ended up with the sweetest 19 YR old Venezuelan. Total GFE. I could not believe my eyes, e ears, or all of my senses for that matter. 120 k 1 hour.

Hooked up with another monger and went to Sante Fe later that night (I was done for the weekend. I unwisely climbed up Monserrat (500 meter climb) and was gassed (legs shot). But if you want adventure and like climbing up mountains in the form of very steep steps. Go do it. Takes about 45 minutes to climb up.

Once again I was ear to ear smiles as we walked the streets of Sante Fe (on a Sunday) . Not as crowded as Saturday. But plenty busy. As we were walking around I spotted a familiar ISG face. Woodman- was super cool to see him in person. Super chill dude that knows everything that there is to know about Sante Fe.

Buddy hooked up with a beautiful Colombian 30 maybe. Her stage dance was sick. That lap dance she gave the three of us (for 8. 00) was sick. My buddy did two sessions with her. I'm guessing that was also sick.

All in all, it was an amazing experience. If you're a newb. - finding someone that knows the ropes is very helpful. (also probably difficult).

I walked around at night. Prob. Not the best idea, but I had no problems. If you go to Sante Fe. Just cab in (to take the transmilenial. We did every night) and cab out (the transmilenial is closed). I'd not recommend getting the cab in front of the places. We walked out of the 4 block area, over the Transmilenial (the pretty good public transit system) and flagged down a taxi on Caracas Blvd (av 15 I think). Way less chance that the cabby is into bad shit.

So that's it. It's really a freak show at Santa Fe. Super cool and very different. Next time going to shag girls at Troya and do the 20 minute deed. It's by far the most convenient.

Go have fun. Even if you don't shag too many girls (like myself), it's an amazing experience that will not soon (or ever) be forgotten. Cheers.

P.S.: had a splitting headache the first 2 days. The altitude sickness is a very real thing. Had a damn migraine (almost threw up. And I've never had a migraine. So I'd recommend taking a benadril or something BEFORE you get there. Two days of headache sucked.

The question one asks oneself is - "Would you do it again" ans: Positively yes and likely soon.

Cheers.

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[QUOTE=GreenBud;2376558]In Santa Fe, many of the girls that say no to BBBJ will probably do it for a tip. 20 K COP is a good price. That might include CIM.

Was Woodman with you? As a tourist, I have trouble getting 15 K for a lap dance. 6 minute full contact nude dance? Maybe Woodman's tour is worth it.




I tried that a few times. They have difficulties understanding my Spanish. One time it worked. Other time, in the room, the girl wanted money upfront. As I was leaving, the girl made a scene. I don't like that situation.

The problem with your idea is that the girl will want the payment upfront. Maybe if you fluently explain everything, she will agree.

What I would do is to pay the standard fee. It is so cheap. Then offer a tip afterwards. Even then, some of the girls wanted the tip beforehand. Never found out if the girls would have done it; I never give tips before the deed.

The covering is usually negotiable. At the Pussy House, I get 80 K COP (no room fee) for 30 minutes (with a 20 minute knock time). Some girl (s) will lie and say it's 1 hour. In the room, I asked for 1 hour, and then she said, are you crazy? There's also a 2 K fee that the girl has to pay, but some will try to make the customer pay.

The waiter didn't try to charge you 10 or 12 K? All beers cost 7 K. All the prices are written on the tables. Just like Santa Fe, most / all waiters will scam the tourist. When the waiter tries to charge me 10 K, I give them 7 K. The waiters that know me will charge me 7 K, and then I will give 9 K.

IMO, that's not even a debate.[/QUOTE]Guys, beers at PH are 6 k. They just went up from 5 k about 6 months ago.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2375053]- Overall, Columbia doesn't seem too bad scam-wise, for a "3rd" world country. It seems I get charged normal prices from food carts and restaurants without posted prices, unlike Vietnam.

- Note, I look like a tourist. After I say anything, it's obvious I'm a tourist.

- Taxi drivers waiting at the airport have attempted to scam me every time. I've only used it 3 times. Now I use Uber, even with the hassle of the airport pick-up. The meters in Bogota are translated via a chart to calculate the fare. The first time, the taxi driver pointed at the meter. He wanted me to pay few hundred thousand pesos, for a 30 K fare. The other 2 times, they attempted to add around 5 or 10 K pesos. They helped load and unload my luggage. Do locals tip the taxi drivers? I don't mind tipping. I was going to tip anyway. But I hate to be extorted for a tip.

- Sometimes even away from the airport, taxi drivers attempted to get several thousand extra pesos from me. I don't believe locals tip, especially when they don't help with any bags. I normally will round up, but I hate it when they do that on their own.

- Once in Candalaria, I got into a taxi that was just parked during rush hour. Lucky day I thought. But the meter started at 25. That probably was the old starting point. It is now at 28. My scam sensor went off. I was looking at the road / meter most of the way. I put my head down for a brief moment to look at my phone. The meter went from 60 to 90 during that time. So, be careful if any meter starts at 25.

- Once I got a taxi to use the meter from Santa Fe. At the end of the ride, the meter was turned off and a LED display said something like the fare is X, which was several thousand pesos extra.

- All the waiters in the Santa Fe strip clubs are ALL scammers, if you are a tourist. They added between 2 to 14 K pesos for my beer. California club was the worst. Even one bartender lied when I asked to verify. Do locals tip for a beer? I have never seen a local tip for a beer.

- At Venus club, Club Columbia beer is 6 K. Poker is usually 1 K less. The Club Columbia beers on the other main strip clubs is either 7 or 8 K. If you guys paid 10 K for a local beer, you got ripped off. On my first night back this year, I said I would give a huge tip if any waiter gave me a beer at the correct price. None did. Now if any waiter overcharges me, I don't tip. But now, some waiters recognize me, and they don't overcharge me, forcing me to give my normal 2 K tip. LOL!

- When you use your USA credit card, most local credit card processors will give an option to charge either US dollars or COP. If US dollar is selected, they will charge 3.5% extra. IMO, that's a scam.[/QUOTE]1) When you use a US credit card in ANY foreign country ALWAYS select USD. That's a worldwide scam they have going there.

2) ALL taxi meters in Bogota start off at 25; that's standard. The move from 60 to 90 was due to a secret lever the guy had installed however.

3) Ask the girls what the normal price for a drink should be. They are much more likely to tell the truth.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2375058]- I hear conflicting opinions on whether Bogota taxis are safe or not. People write, only use Call taxis, or pretend to send a picture to a friend once you get into a taxi. Many people say taxis are safe. I am more of the later opinion (taxis are safe, especially if taken from a good area), but I am still paranoid.

- Are taxis taken from Santa Fe safe? I am assuming they are. Are there any real stories of taxis drivers from Santa Fe mugging their customers? But because I'm paranoid, I normally only take taxis that are parked, where the taxi drivers are known.

- It seems many parked taxis will not use their meters, especially if they are parked on that main street. I've seen drunk locals get into and then immediately out of a parked taxi. The other night, the taxi driver requested 20 K for a max 14 K fare. It is cheaper than the Uber surge price, and definitely quicker.

- Uber sucks if you need a pick-up from Santa Fe. Many times, the Uber driver will cancel once they get to the area. They believe it's dangerous. But why the fuck do they have to wait 8 minutes to cancel. They should know what Santa Fe is. Sometimes multiple Uber drivers in a row will cancel on you. Sometimes late at night, it can take a long time to get an Uber.

- Uber surge pricing sucks. The normal taxi meter from Santa Fe to Zona Rosa will be between 11 - 14 K. Uber will be between 10600 - 38000 pesos.[/QUOTE]Best way to avoid this is to pin yourself somewhere on cll 24.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2374965]The reason for the widespread use of cash is that the banks charge too much for almost everything: ATM withdrawals, ATM balance check, credit card monthly fee, debit card monthly fee, etc etc some banks even charge a fee for the sole reason of having an account with them. This has led to people from lower incomes stopping usage of banks altogether.[/QUOTE]That's about 10 years out of date. But people still don't trust banks in Colombia.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2376541]Depends on the size of the ladies and whether or not you have back problems. It's probably better just to let them walk, especially if the room is upstairs.[/QUOTE]Also depends on how the altitude affects you. You might want avoid altogether the first few days in Bogota.

What gets me is they still can not pay bills electronically? My nurse chick said she was robbed yesterday in a place called Restrepo. She said she went to get money out of the ATM for her monthly bills and 2 armed guys came up. She went to the police but there is not shit they can do.

Fui al cajero automtico a sacar mi sueldo porque deba hacer LOS pagos del mes. Y al salir de ah, a unos pasos se acercaron doa tipos armados, uno me coloc el arma en la cintura why l otro comenz a decir que si no queria que me disparar LE entregara el dinero que saqu del cajero. No haba polica en ese lugar, tuve miedo y entregue el $. Fui a la polica Pero no pueden hacer nada y ahora no tengo nada para pagar mis cuentas.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2376558]As a tourist, I have trouble getting 15 K for a lap dance. 6 minute full contact nude dance? Maybe Woodman's tour is worth it.[/QUOTE]A few months back I reported this for 10K when I was out with Dcfan. I don't give a shit about dances but the girl wanted to do it. When I asked her how much, she said 10K. So I said why not.

Bull. I pay all my bills using PSE or online banking.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2376877]What gets me is they still can not pay bills electronically? My nurse chick said she was robbed yesterday in a place called Restrepo. She said she went to get money out of the ATM for her monthly bills and 2 armed guys came up. She went to the police but there is not shit they can do.

Fui al cajero automtico a sacar mi sueldo porque deba hacer LOS pagos del mes. Y al salir de ah, a unos pasos se acercaron doa tipos armados, uno me coloc el arma en la cintura why l otro comenz a decir que si no queria que me disparar LE entregara el dinero que saqu del cajero. No haba polica en ese lugar, tuve miedo y entregue el $. Fui a la polica Pero no pueden hacer nada y ahora no tengo nada para pagar mis cuentas.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2376877]What gets me is they still can not pay bills electronically? My nurse chick said she was robbed yesterday in a place called Restrepo. She said she went to get money out of the ATM for her monthly bills and 2 armed guys came up. She went to the police but there is not shit they can do.

Fui al cajero automtico a sacar mi sueldo porque deba hacer LOS pagos del mes. Y al salir de ah, a unos pasos se acercaron doa tipos armados, uno me coloc el arma en la cintura why l otro comenz a decir que si no queria que me disparar LE entregara el dinero que saqu del cajero. No haba polica en ese lugar, tuve miedo y entregue el $. Fui a la polica Pero no pueden hacer nada y ahora no tengo nada para pagar mis cuentas.[/QUOTE]If they have a bank account they can pay electronically. At least that's how my old roommate pays her bills when she's traveling.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2376788]1) When you use a US credit card in ANY foreign country ALWAYS select USD. That's a worldwide scam they have going there.[/QUOTE]Incorrect advice. You get an extra 3.5% charged. If you have a bad card, that bank will charge you a 3.0% foreign conversion charge. A good card will not charge extra. Never heard of a US credit card scam. Visa / Mastercard protects the customer.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2376788]2) ALL taxi meters in Bogota start off at 25; that's standard.[/QUOTE]Incorrect. Bogota taxi meters start at 28.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2376788]3) Ask the girls what the normal price for a drink should be. They are much more likely to tell the truth.[/QUOTE]Seems like a good idea. But the problem is that the waiter will be all over you when you enter the club. Girl might be hesitant to say anything. Another good source is usually the bartender.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2376786]Guys, beers at PH are 6 k. They just went up from 5 k about 6 months ago.[/QUOTE]We are both incorrect. Poker beer is 6 K. Club Colombia and the others are 7 K. The prices are listed on the table.

Not all waiters will scam the tourist. I had an honest waiter last night.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito;2376790]Best way to avoid this is to pin yourself somewhere on cll 24.[/QUOTE]

Santa Fe is a shithole. Most people do not want to stay there.

Anyone have any good recommendations for Airbnb in Bogota? Girls friendly, clean, cheap, close to action, etc.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2376941]Incorrect advice. You get an extra 3.5% charged. If you have a bad card, that bank will charge you a 3.0% foreign conversion charge. A good card will not charge extra. Never heard of a US credit card scam. Visa / Mastercard protects the customer.

Incorrect. Bogota taxi meters start at 28.

Seems like a good idea. But the problem is that the waiter will be all over you when you enter the club. Girl might be hesitant to say anything. Another good source is usually the bartender.

We are both incorrect. Poker beer is 6 K. Club Colombia and the others are 7 K. The prices are listed on the table.

Not all waiters will scam the tourist. I had an honest waiter last night.



Santa Fe is a shithole. Most people do not want to stay there.[/QUOTE]LOL I didn't say stay there. I said pin yourself. As in in the app, put your pickup location somewhere on cll 24. And be there toes to the curb waiting for them because they can't pull over in that traffic. That way you can take Uber and utterly avoid those yellow taxis, which are really garbage anyway.

The other stuff I'm not going to bother responding to. Cheers.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2376788]1) When you use a US credit card in ANY foreign country ALWAYS select USD. That's a worldwide scam they have going there.
[/QUOTE]Just the opposite actually, you should choose to pay in the local currency to avoid the conversion fee.

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/geoffreymorrison/2014/07/30/pay-in-local-or-home-currency/[/URL]#b910 d8330756.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2377069]Just the opposite actually, you should choose to pay in the local currency to avoid the conversion fee.
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/geoffreymorrison/2014/07/30/pay-in-local-or-home-currency/[/URL]#b910 d8330756.[/QUOTE]I can't believe people who say they 'travel' didn't know this; Pay by card in the local currency and get the commercial rate.

For those of us preferring cash (exclusively) and eschewing ATMs in Colombia Bank of Columbia (yesterday in Barranquilla) only changes USD for their customers. What other option than the cambios giving 3,200 (often negotiable, to an extent) when the published commercial rate is 3,558? Unless you have time to trade with a Colombian directly and split the spread. For 6% or so, I'm not running all over town, but if there is a bank that changes usd (small amounts, less than 5 k) for tourists, it'the be helpful to know.

I have two news listings for this place:

Calle 78 #11-49. __ Chicas. Prices: _ Tel: _ Hours: _ [URL]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chicas-Milenio/199647663403879[/URL].

And.

10+ Chicas. Prices: 30 k 30 min. , __k hour. Tel: _ Hours: _ The legendary Millennium Girls logo card also had the same design and style of the cards they distributed before. That is if the address is different but fortunately within the area. And this is for those who are interested. Cr 14 A - # 66- . (I omit the last number because in this forum they only allow approximate directions but when they reach that race there they see the goalkeeper). [URL]https://foroprepagoscolombia.com/viewtopic.php?t=7767[/URL].

There is a good mix in Bogota depends on your taste and how much you willing to pay. The best all round place I went to a club on Street 40 its called "calle 40" picked up a super hot chick for the entire night and it was only 120 USD. The most popular club in the city was a bit more expensive but the quantity of girls to choose from are a lot more I would say there were at least 80 girls in there. I had always heard everyone say the girls are not pretty in Bogota I can tell that is wrong they are really pretty.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2377298]I have two news listings for this place:

Calle 78 #11-49. __ Chicas. Prices: _ Tel: _ Hours: _ [URL]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chicas-Milenio/199647663403879[/URL].

And.

10+ Chicas. Prices: 30 k 30 min. , __k hour. Tel: _ Hours: _ The legendary Millennium Girls logo card also had the same design and style of the cards they distributed before. That is if the address is different but fortunately within the area. And this is for those who are interested. Cr 14 A - # 66- . (I omit the last number because in this forum they only allow approximate directions but when they reach that race there they see the goalkeeper). [URL]https://foroprepagoscolombia.com/viewtopic.php?t=7767[/URL].[/QUOTE]On Calle 78 #11-49, there is nothing. Regarding the second adress (the complete adress is Carrera 14 A bis#66-60), this used to be the adress of Mansion swinger club that later became the Loggia swinger club. The owners are gone now and opened another swing club, La Fortaleza on Diagonal 49 Sur #52 C-54 . [URL]https://lafortalezaswinger.com/.[/URL] What used to be the Loggia swinger club on 4 floor, is now devided in two: the second floor is now a small swinger club named La Venganza and the third floor is indeed a brothel. It has no name and is defitively not related to the old Millenium. Several so called guides are waiting in front of the old adress of Millenium to send customers to other locations claiming they are the new Millenium.

[QUOTE=DiegoSan4;2376065]Recently returned from a 10 day combined 7 day Bogota and 3 day Cali trip. (not including two days of travel time).
![/QUOTE]This has got to be the review of the year and left me searching for flights all night long. Thanks!

Thanks, I put them on their Maps.

[QUOTE=Routard;2377363]On Calle 78 #11-49, there is nothing. Regarding the second address (the complete address is Carrera 14 A bis#66-60), this used to be the address of Mansion swinger club that later became the Loggia swinger club. The owners are gone now and opened another swing club, La Fortaleza on Diagonal 49 Sur #52 C-54 . [URL]https://lafortalezaswinger.com/.[/URL] What used to be the Loggia swinger club on 4 floor, is now devided in two: the second floor is now a small swinger club named La Venganza and the third floor is indeed a brothel. It has no name and is definitively not related to the old Millenium. Several so called guides are waiting in front of the old address of Millenium to send customers to other locations claiming they are the new Millenium.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2376881]A few months back I reported this for 10K when I was out with Dcfan. I don't give a shit about dances but the girl wanted to do it. When I asked her how much, she said 10K. So I said why not.[/QUOTE]Girls in Paisas, Fiebre and Troya will ask 30 mil and if you can negotiate most will take 20 mil. Quickees $60 mil+.

For Atonis, La Casona, Venus, Texas and California they will ask 20 mil and usually can get for 10 mil. Quickees for $50 mil with many.

Starts at Cutie Corners and goes all the way around the main block. There is a part they miss.

At night there are 4 times+ more! A spectacle to be seen if not participated in. Usually the 3 minute mark you would see 100 girls on a busy night.

Supermarket of sex!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tTNPs2bZGU&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0QPYif7fZ9OabDGILElZ4LmhRH7pNKLHbU9eHleOLd8zVxLHuc6fsUiMw[/URL]

Hi folks,

I've booked myself at The Hilton in the financial district for a visit in November. Any options close to that place within walking distance? Also, anyone know what the hotel policy is for bringing guests over?

Is this represents the quality of girls in Bogota? I don't see any good looking one. Most seems to be old / fat.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2377644]Starts at Cutie Corners and goes all the way around the main block. There is a part they miss.

At night there are 4 times+ more! A spectacle to be seen if not participated in. Usually the 3 minute mark you would see 100 girls on a busy night.

Supermarket of sex!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tTNPs2bZGU&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0QPYif7fZ9OabDGILElZ4LmhRH7pNKLHbU9eHleOLd8zVxLHuc6fsUiMw[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2377843]Is this represents the quality of girls in Bogota? I don't see any good looking one. Most seems to be old / fat.[/QUOTE]We must not be watching the same video. Yeah, there were some bad ones, but also some smoking ones. The girl in the pink shorts at about 0:45 I would absolutely destroy. Good video, Woodman.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2377644]Starts at Cutie Corners and goes all the way around the main block. There is a part they miss.

Supermarket of sex!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tTNPs2bZGU&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0QPYif7fZ9OabDGILElZ4LmhRH7pNKLHbU9eHleOLd8zVxLHuc6fsUiMw[/URL][/QUOTE]That video made me cry. I miss that place.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2377644]Starts at Cutie Corners and goes all the way around the main block. There is a part they miss.

At night there are 4 times+ more! A spectacle to be seen if not participated in. Usually the 3 minute mark you would see 100 girls on a busy night.

Supermarket of sex!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tTNPs2bZGU&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0QPYif7fZ9OabDGILElZ4LmhRH7pNKLHbU9eHleOLd8zVxLHuc6fsUiMw[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the video. Also, I appreciate the tour of Santa Fe last Sunday. Even though you apologize for the slow night on Sunday, I was able to go back several times on different days. Thanks.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2378011]We must not be watching the same video. Yeah, there were some bad ones, but also some smoking ones. The girl in the pink shorts at about 0:45 I would absolutely destroy. Good video, Woodman.[/QUOTE]Interesting observation, I read so many comments that say the SGs are not that great when many are 7's-8's+.

I think it is some kind of cognitive dissonance about SGs. There are so many hot girls in the streets. Many that could proudly twerk along side the beauties in the clubs, LOL!

So much variety too. Many are new country girls.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2378055]That video made me cry. I miss that place.[/QUOTE]Haha, I can see why, LOL.

Boots on the ground here in Bogota the last couple of nights.

Have had a blast out at Santa Fe!

I've befriended so many Vennies, can't keep them straight! LOL.

Took 5 of them out to a cheap little restaurant nearby to eat last night.

It was a blast!

It's fun walking about, scoping out the chicas, talking with them, choosing.

I've had GFE experience in the room with a few of them now.

I tell the motel girl, that I'll most likely continue after the initial period, which I always do, LOL.

I just leave her with 20 mil pesos, each period of 15-20 min runs about 5 mil.

And I tip the motel chica / señora. Pays off!

I always BS with the chica I choose for a bit, buy her a drink, water, beer, MilkyWay bar, potatoe chips, etc, what ever LOL.

Just to get a friendship going before the room.

I tell her and show her that I'm muy cariñoso and that's what I like in return.

Almost always works.

If she doesn't respond well, in the initial interview / convo I just politely move on.

I've had pretty good success though!

Anyway, off to Troya now.

Met a hottie there yesterday. She just texted me and said she's there waiting for me.

Yum.

So many Hotties last night, I got to go back tonight for more hottie love!

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2378128]Interesting observation, I read so many comments that say the SGs are not that great when many are 7's-8's+.

I think it is some kind of cognitive dissonance about SGs. There are so many hot girls in the streets. Many that could proudly twerk along side the beauties in the clubs, LOL!

So much variety too. Many are new country girls.[/QUOTE]I actually prefer the SG scene more than strip clubs at Sante Fe.

More freedom outside, the motels and rates are more flexible, I find girls just as hot outside.

Sitting in Santa Fe now, having dinner.

Had fun with my favorite little flaquita already, have another waiting on me, and there's many more walking about.

Of course there's plenty of not so good looking chicas, but there are definitely some real cuties as well, and some real sweet girls too, depending on how you approach them.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2378128]I think it is some kind of cognitive dissonance about SGs. There are so many hot girls in the streets.[/QUOTE]That is exactly what it is. I said in the Medellin thread that if someone posted one of the SG and said they found her somewhere else, then nobody would know the damn difference.

Gentleman,

I will arrive in Bogota next week (13 Oct.) and shall be at my Hotel IBIS museo by 8:30 pm. This is a 3 week trip and I will be exploring other cities. I have been to Medellin before (2017) and have mongered in El centro area but never tried casas. Spanish skills are limited but what I am asking is. How is the scene on Sunday after 8 pm and where would you gentlemen recommend I start?

Is Santa Fe business as usual on Sunday or SG actually take a day off?

[QUOTE=Beobeo;2378416]Is Santa Fe business as usual on Sunday or SG actually take a day off?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SparrrowHawk;2378349]Gentleman,

I will arrive in Bogota next week (13 Oct.) and shall be at my Hotel IBIS museo by 8:30 pm. This is a 3 week trip and I will be exploring other cities. I have been to Medellin before (2017) and have mongered in El centro area but never tried casas. Spanish skills are limited but what I am asking is. How is the scene on Sunday after 8 pm and where would you gentlemen recommend I start?[/QUOTE]Sundays are slower but there are still a lot of hotties in the street and clubs. I was there last Sunday and I saw many hotties I would choose. It dies early by 10 pm or so.

[QUOTE=Beobeo;2378416]Is Santa Fe business as usual on Sunday or SG actually take a day off?[/QUOTE]Sunday is not as good as Friday or Saturday. But it is still pretty good.

I'm about to do a return trip to Bogota. I'm looking for an Airbnb that is a) Guest-friendly and b) has great wifi. Does anybody have a recommendation?

What keywords should I look for? Does "suitable for events" mean my guests can get in without scrutiny from a doorman?

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2378448]I'm about to do a return trip to Bogota. I'm looking for an Airbnb that is a) Guest-friendly and b) has great wifi. Does anybody have a recommendation?

What keywords should I look for? Does "suitable for events" mean my guests can get in without scrutiny from a doorman?[/QUOTE]I hear the Bacata has some good ones. That is a new highrise. Tip your doormen, should be good.

[QUOTE=SparrrowHawk;2378349]Gentleman,

How is the scene on Sunday after 8 pm and where would you gentlemen recommend I start?[/QUOTE]I'll let ya know later on, on my out there now.
(Sunday / Santa Fe)

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2378448]I'm about to do a return trip to Bogota. I'm looking for an Airbnb that is a) Guest-friendly and b) has great wifi. Does anybody have a recommendation?

What keywords should I look for? Does "suitable for events" mean my guests can get in without scrutiny from a doorman?[/QUOTE]You have to ask. There are probably thousands of Airbnbs. Some are apartments, some are hotel rooms, etc. But unless you ask there is no generalization about any of the above that will help you. And chances of someone recommending a specific one and it being available for the times you need are very slim. Ask the owner.

"Suitable for events" is more likely to mean that it is a bit larger for meetings, parties perhaps. Probably nothing to do with a doorman.

Ideally you would want a doorman or security that would take the guest's ID. For your protection.

I was in one in Medellin a couple of years ago that was ideal from my point of view. Good security but chicas were allowed. But that is getting rarer I think. Most do not allow guests. I was in 5 or 6 last year. None would have been suitable for having a guest.

NO, that just means that you are able to hold a large group of people for bday, party etc. Very common in Colombia. It doesn't mean chicas at all. Some places will post saying that they are not allowed. At all.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2378448]I'm about to do a return trip to Bogota. I'm looking for an Airbnb that is a) Guest-friendly and b) has great wifi. Does anybody have a recommendation?

What keywords should I look for? Does "suitable for events" mean my guests can get in without scrutiny from a doorman?[/QUOTE].

Usual Bogota stop for me. 3 chicas to choose from. One with rough skin on her face, one with an ass that was too huge (yes its possible) and then the one that was just right. Briana, younger, from Medellin. Some baby damage but still super cute. Still 180 COP for the hour. 250 for BBBJ. I don't recall that option last time. Maybe a chicas added on preference?

GFE from the start. Great kissing.

Solid BBBJ with Nutella on my cock. I was like WTF but to each their own. Had some DATY and she was loving it. I got a little bit of my gum on her pussy lips and we got a laugh out of that. The sex was good. 4 positions. She told me "Your head is so hot". I just laughed knowing I took a Cialis 30 minutes before.

The massage after was actually good. She was kinda rough and she used a body scrub kinda lotion for the back and leg portion. It Took a long time to clean it off.

Commented 3 times to leave my bag in the room and that it was safe while I showered. I declined and took my bag / valuables with me to the shower. I came back to the room and she said she had.

Cleaned it all herself (no way). All my stuff had been moved. Seemed suspicious. Be careful out there, boys.

[QUOTE=Beobeo;2378416]Is Santa Fe business as usual on Sunday or SG actually take a day off?[/QUOTE]

Action is VERY slow on Sunday evening in Santa Fe. But it's still the best bet on Sunday, the rest of the city is virtually dead. Anyway, you just need one perfect girl to make your day.

Another usual spot for me. Ventured over today. Its been raining so there wasnt much business for the chicas. They all seemed to come to the door when I walked up. 2-6 chicas in each room. I walked up to all the rooms and got a close up before settling on Luciana in the second room. Cute face, sweet eyes, a little thicker than I usually like. She walked me into the only room they have in the second shop. She explained the deal (80 k) and then took my 100 K (never did bring back the change haha). She got naked and got started with her "massage". It was hard to enjoy it with 5 chicas cackling just outside the door and one of them smoking. But life is never perfect. She then spent some time licking my balls and then put on the cover for some cowgirl. This is probably where you want a smaller chica and not a thicker one. Its hard enough having sex in a shoe box. She eventually finished me off with a good BBBJ. I can appreciate that, especially with the sign behind her that says "A condom is required". Mmmhmmm.

[QUOTE=Routard;2379169]Action is VERY slow on Sunday evening in Santa Fe. But it's still the best bet on Sunday, the rest of the city is virtually dead. Anyway, you just need one perfect girl to make your day.[/QUOTE]I agree!

I was out there this past Sunday.

Slow but some fun available.

Pussy House. Early on Tuesday night. No cover. As noted before, waiters add their tip into the cost of the beers. I just go to the bar and order there and tip that chica. 7,000 Heinekens.

Plenty of girls. Mostly 7's and 8's. Saw one 9 but she was tied up at a bottle service table. Prob the best way to go here if you have an amigo or just want to look like a star.

It was awesome seeing some of the girls go full nude doing couch dances. The odd thing is that I never saw guys giving the girls money for this. Any input? Maybe its just their way of hoping for an investment to pay off?

Stage shows were good. Girls fingering themselves and all that good stuff. Nice and dirty. Haha.

Oh and I walked to Pussy House. Well used a Scooter for a bit (fun! There are plenty of hole in the wall bars in Chapinero that prob don't have very good talent but they are there for the exploring. Oh and Chapinero can be sketch so stay on the main streets. Tons of gorgeous women walking around.

Made it back to Zona T and needed WIFI. Got pulled into Olipio. (I believe that was the name). It has no markings but its close to Calle 81 and #12. The street people can lead you to it. Anyways, I walk in and was just SHOCKED. 30+ women and I was the only guy. The women have to get there at 7 pm. So they all surround me and just watch me like a line up deal. I am just there looking at the menu and checking my Tinder hahaha. The women were HOT! But here's the catch, the prices of that place were stupid. 45 K for a beer. And that didn't include a 20% IVA. I went with a whisky for the same price. Bottle prices are crazy expensive and one chica was quoting $100 lap dances. The street tout said its $30 dances. I didn't even ask prices to go upstairs. I talked to a few ladies and then left.

I then got pulled into Padrino's. Its right across the street. No signs as well. 20 chicas in there. One guy sitting at the bar. Women were solid! Place is small though. Prices were SLIGHTLY cheaper at 38 K for a drink. I kept shaking my head "this isn't vegas!" haha.

[QUOTE=Tacoma101;2379424]Pussy House. Early on Tuesday night. No cover. As noted before, waiters add their tip into the cost of the beers.[/QUOTE]I hate that shit. They even have the audacity to ask for the left over change. I go directly and order it at the bar.

[QUOTE=Tacoma101;2379424]It was awesome seeing some of the girls go full nude doing couch dances. The odd thing is that I never saw guys giving the girls money for this. Any input? Maybe its just their way of hoping for an investment to pay off?[/QUOTE]You get a bottle and they give you a free lap dance (the last time I was there). My understanding is that girls don't give lap dances for free.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2379184]I agree!

I was out there this past Sunday.

Slow but some fun available.[/QUOTE]I mean I like the prices there but don't you guys think its bit dangerous for tourist there in that area.

[QUOTE=Bleble;2379454]I hate that shit. They even have the audacity to ask for the left over change. I go directly and order it at the bar.

You get a bottle and they give you a free lap dance (the last time I was there). My understanding is that girls don't give lap dances for free.[/QUOTE]That would make sense as 2 of the 3 times, it was bottle service tables. But one especially dirty girl was doing whatever she damn well pleased at any table haha.

[QUOTE=Yamazaki77;2377835]Hi folks,

I've booked myself at The Hilton in the financial district for a visit in November. Any options close to that place within walking distance? Also, anyone know what the hotel policy is for bringing guests over?[/QUOTE]The closest casa is about 7-10 min. Walk towards Avenida Caracas, and there are a lot in the area. World Traveller's map gives pretty good info. The Hilton is an upscale business hotel. It will not be easy to bring a girl up without registering her. Even with registration, you still will get some strange looks from other guests and employees. I gave up the idea while staying here last year.

So, I haven't been out in a minute and came to hang in Bogota. Some work and some friends etc. I sort of have been out of the hobby persuing a real relationship but oh well.

Mariana 300 K pussy house.

So this girl Mariana is the friend of a girl I fucked last time. I was here on a Saturday and she was super busy and I couldn't get her attention.

I stopped in Tuesday's night on a whim that A. It will be slower and be. She won't be as tired. Sure enough I saw her.

She has a pretty face, fake tits kinda thick but still skinny waist. About 5 3 and she wears cat ears. She has super soft lips and is a great kisser. She knows I fucked her friend a couple times and we even went on a couple dates so she knows I'm safe.

She came to me with open arms. We were kissing in the club a little and made arrangements for her to come to my apartment in chapenero. I would pay her directly and she would stay the whole time.

She came over in the taxi an hour later and I had my place ready. She was in regular street clothes and changed into that cat outfit thing she had. Her tits were mashed together like they were going to pop when she got out.

Her tounge was like silk and when she sucked on my lips she knew the exact pressure to use. As soon as I put my fingers on her pussy I could feel my entire hand soaked with her juice. She was totally ready to fuck. She has sort of a high pitched cartoon like voice when she speaks and this was further amplified when she moans. It was 2 am when we started banging and I'm sure we woke up the entire neighborhood. She sucked me bbj and gave me soo much eye contact it was like she was looking thru me. We fucked in every position, even pile driver! When it was time for me to cum and I got close, I was on top. She knew the move and ripped the condom off and proceeded to Jack me off all over her bolt on tits. After she rubbed all my cum all over herself and even made a cat like noise to taste it. She is cartoon cute and a lot of fun. She slept next to me the whole night and got up around 8 and left to her home.

Sofia 40 K plus 20 K oral naural.

I went to this casa I know of in chapinero. I don't remember the name but it has a blue door and is in a place where lots of auto repair and paint suppliers are. I have had some ok luck with this place and was horny midday. The LU was not much, mostly duds but I found a cute diamond. A petite vnz girl name sofia. 5 '0 natural body, tight and a firm small peach ass. Despute having a kid she has zero baby damage and perky tits. I get oral natural for a propina and let me tell you. She was soo good, that it was all I wanted. A nice afternoon, long slow BJ with lots of spit, good timing, gentle warm. She wouldn't let me finish in her mouth or face but let me do it on her tits. I would play with her little tight pussy as she kept sucking me. The head was soo good that 2 days later I went and saw her. This time her hair was down and she looked differnet but in a good way. Just cute as a button. I got head agian and it was just awesome. Ahhh love it.

Carla 190 K BAIT AND SWITCH incall chapinero.

Fuck, I walked in and should have walked out. I was looking for a girl to take a facail which she did but I was too horny to say no. Photos were false and her tits hit the floor when she removed her bra. It was the ultimate pump fake and I kept thinking about someone else. Fuck.

[QUOTE=Tacoma101;2379424]Pussy House. Early on Tuesday night. No cover. As noted before, waiters add their tip into the cost of the beers. I just go to the bar and order there and tip that chica. 7,000 Heinekens.

Plenty of girls. Mostly 7's and 8's. Saw one 9 but she was tied up at a bottle service table. Prob the best way to go here if you have an amigo or just want to look like a star.

It was awesome seeing some of the girls go full nude doing couch dances. The odd thing is that I never saw guys giving the girls money for this. Any input? Maybe its just their way of hoping for an investment to pay off?

Stage shows were good. Girls fingering themselves and all that good stuff. Nice and dirty. Haha.

Oh and I walked to Pussy House. Well used a Scooter for a bit (fun! There are plenty of hole in the wall bars in Chapinero that prob don't have very good talent but they are there for the exploring. Oh and Chapinero can be sketch so stay on the main streets. Tons of gorgeous women walking around.

Made it back to Zona T and needed WIFI. Got pulled into Olipio. (I believe that was the name). It has no markings but its close to Calle 81 and #12. The street people can lead you to it. Anyways, I walk in and was just SHOCKED. 30+ women and I was the only guy. The women have to get there at 7 pm. So they all surround me and just watch me like a line up deal. I am just there looking at the menu and checking my Tinder hahaha. The women were HOT! But here's the catch, the prices of that place were stupid. 45 K for a beer. And that didn't include a 20% IVA. I went with a whisky for the same price. Bottle prices are crazy expensive and one chica was quoting $100 lap dances. The street tout said its $30 dances. I didn't even ask prices to go upstairs. I talked to a few ladies and then left.

I then got pulled into Padrino's. Its right across the street. No signs as well. 20 chicas in there. One guy sitting at the bar. Women were solid! Place is small though. Prices were SLIGHTLY cheaper at 38 K for a drink. I kept shaking my head "this isn't vegas!" haha.[/QUOTE]Hi, can you please let us know what are prices.

Thanks.

They all are on the map.

Prices may have changed.

[B]Olimpo Night Club[/B]

Carrera 14 # 80-65. 30 Chicas. Prices: Asking 150 k to 300 k, Room or Take out fee 150 k, 300 k to 500 k TLN. Tel. 321 959 5204. Hours: Monday to Sunday from 8 pm till 5 am.

[B]Club El Padrino International[/B]

Carrera 14 # 81-10. Or Calle. 81 #12-95. GPS: 4. 66677, -74.05589 40 Chicas. Prices: No Cover, Take out Only, 180 k take out fee, Chicas asking 150 k-300 k short time, 300 k-600 TLN. Tel. 320 425 7750. Hours: Monday to Saturday 8 pm to 3 am. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/pages/category/Dance---Night-Club/CLUB-El-Padrino-Internacional-172827556471564/[/URL].

[QUOTE=SXLover;2381168]Hi, can you please let us know what are prices.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tacoma101;2379179] They all seemed to come to the door when I walked up. 2-6 chicas in each room. ... the sign behind her that says "A condom is required". Mmmhmmm.[/QUOTE]They are all coming to the door when a man comes. They have a small camera on the corner of the second floor, so they see you coming!

What is the address again please? 104th Street?

I was able to get a girl bareback here, told her I had a vasectomy, then said I had no infirma and paid her double.

[QUOTE=DamonBlack;2379638]I mean I like the prices there but don't you guys think its bit dangerous for tourist there in that area.[/QUOTE]No. You say you like the prices there, but you think it is dangerous? You haven't actually been in Santa Fe, have you?

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2378128]Interesting observation, I read so many comments that say the SGs are not that great when many are 7's-8's+.

I think it is some kind of cognitive dissonance about SGs. There are so many hot girls in the streets. Many that could proudly twerk along side the beauties in the clubs, LOL!

So much variety too. Many are new country girls.[/QUOTE]How do I contact Woodman09 for a Santa Fe tour and how much does he charge?

Although I have been to many countries in SA and 2 cities in Columbia this will be my first time in BOG. I'm in the first stages of research I'm down to page 40 of ISG. If someone would give me an idea of the area I should concentrate on for my apartment (airbnb) it would save me a lot of time. Bogota seems to have many opportunities. I am looking forward to a nice stay. Thanks.

The Prices have changed: The names also.

1. Angeles, Av. Carrera 15 # 104-03, Mezzanine 5 / 6. 6 Chicas. Prices: CBJ 60 k 45 min. , Complete 70 k 45 min. Tel: 215 4536. Hours: 10 am to 8 pm, Sunday 11 am to 6 pm. [URL]www.zonasensual.com[/URL].

2. Name?, Av. Carrera 15 # 104-03, Mezzanine 8. 5 Chicas. Prices: 25 k HJ, 35 k HJ++, 60 k hour Complete. Hours: 10 am to 8 pm.

3. Name?, Av. Carrera 15 # 104-03, Mezzanine 9. 5 Chicas. Prices: 25 k HJ, 40 k CBJ, 50 k hour Complete. Hours: 10 am to 8 pm.

4. Abadesas, Av. Carrera 15 #104-03, Mezzanine 10.4-5 Chicas. Prices: 40 k 15 min. , 50 k 30 min. , 60 k 45 min. , 100 k hour, includes massage, HJ, CBJ, and intercourse. Tel: 215-4518,620-9358, Cell: 311-214-8104. Hours: Monday to Saturday 9:30 am to 8:30 pm, Sunday 10 am to 6 pm.

5. Name?, Av. Carrera 15 # 104-03, Mezzanine 13.4 Chicas. Prices: 25 k HJ, 35 k HJ++, 70 k hour Complete. Hours: Monday to Saturday10 am to 9 pm, Sunday 10 am to 7 pm.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2381249]They are all coming to the door when a man comes. They have a small camera on the corner of the second floor, so they see you coming!

What is the address again please? 104th Street?

I was able to get a girl bareback here, told her I had a vasectomy, then said I had no infirma and paid her double.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2381373]Although I have been to many countries in SA and 2 cities in Columbia this will be my first time in BOG. I'm in the first stages of research I'm down to page 40 of ISG. If someone would give me an idea of the area I should concentrate on for my apartment (airbnb) it would save me a lot of time. Bogota seems to have many opportunities. I am looking forward to a nice stay. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Barrio Teusaquillo is good, walking distance to Santa Fe, Many good apartments. Also the area near Carrera 6th and Calle 19 many there, The Bacata building is one.

[QUOTE=ChrisPaul;2381285]How do I contact Woodman09 for a Santa Fe tour and how much does he charge?[/QUOTE]I will be in Bogotá from January 17 until January 22. I am in my mid-50's so do not have the energy of a young man. But there are drugs for that.

When I look at websites that list escorts in Bogotá, it appears that the best one is Mileroticos. I would be interested in hearing from those who have actually used some of these websites how accurate the postings are. Especially the pictures!

[QUOTE=Ian1974;2381572]I will be in Bogot from January 17 until January 22. I am in my mid-50's so do not have the energy of a young man. But there are drugs for that.[/QUOTE]I would send you his email but I am unable to. Are you a paid member?

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2381215]They all are on the map.

Prices may have changed.

[B]Olimpo Night Club[/B]

Carrera 14 # 80-65. 30 Chicas. Prices: Asking 150 k to 300 k, Room or Take out fee 150 k, 300 k to 500 k TLN. Tel. 321 959 5204. Hours: Monday to Sunday from 8 pm till 5 am.

[B]Club El Padrino International[/B]

Carrera 14 # 81-10. Or Calle. 81 #12-95. GPS: 4. 66677, -74.05589 40 Chicas. Prices: No Cover, Take out Only, 180 k take out fee, Chicas asking 150 k-300 k short time, 300 k-600 TLN. Tel. 320 425 7750. Hours: Monday to Saturday 8 pm to 3 am. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/pages/category/Dance---Night-Club/CLUB-El-Padrino-Internacional-172827556471564/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Sorry for confusion, I was asking prices for pussy house.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=SXLover;2381940]Sorry for confusion, I was asking prices for pussy house.[/QUOTE]The prices for the drinks, including the lady's drink, is posted on the tables.

I was able to get 80 K COP for 30 minutes (the knock will come at approximately 20 minutes). You prepay the money to the bartender. No charge for the room.

Can you get it at a lower price? Not sure. You definitely can be asked for a higher price, especially if you are a tourist.

[QUOTE=Ian1974;2381804]When I look at websites that list escorts in Bogot, it appears that the best one is Mileroticos. I would be interested in hearing from those who have actually used some of these websites how accurate the postings are. Especially the pictures![/QUOTE]Have you checked out photoprepago?

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2382448]Have you checked out photoprepago?[/QUOTE]Have you tried skokka Colombia also is pretty good and simple.

Every time I make plans to go to Bogota I get my hose drained by another American woman. Not a bad problem, and its cheaper to help with rent and car payments for her than pay for air fare and hotel room for me. This girl was born in Kiev and came to US as a child. Met her on SA. Waiting for another dry spell to make it to Bogota again.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2382677]Every time I make plans to go to Bogota I get my hose drained by another American woman. Not a bad problem, and its cheaper to help with rent and car payments for her than pay for air fare and hotel room for me. This girl was born in Kiev and came to US as a child. Met her on SA. Waiting for another dry spell to make it to Bogota again.[/QUOTE]Which city is she in? I am a very helpful person too.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2382677]Every time I make plans to go to Bogota I get my hose drained by another American woman. Not a bad problem, and its cheaper to help with rent and car payments for her than pay for air fare and hotel room for me. This girl was born in Kiev and came to US as a child. Met her on SA. Waiting for another dry spell to make it to Bogota again.[/QUOTE]Good for you. These dilemmas come up ever so often when you're young.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2382955]Good for you. These dilemmas come up ever so often when you're young.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DamonBlack;2382483]Have you tried skokka Colombia also is pretty good and simple.[/QUOTE]In Bogota right now, only have one day and going on to Cali. Can anyone suggest a guide for a girl stroll? I don't want to walk this area, I'm right at the airport.

[QUOTE=Ian1974;2381804]When I look at websites that list escorts in Bogot, it appears that the best one is Mileroticos. I would be interested in hearing from those who have actually used some of these websites how accurate the postings are. Especially the pictures![/QUOTE]I used it several times in Tijuana. Never the girl you see on the pic.

Unless she is showing her face in all the pictures. %90 guarantee it is not the girl in the picture and / or heavily photoshopped!

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2384329]I used it several times in Tijuana. Never the girl you see on the pic.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=DiegoSan4;2376065]Recently returned from a 10 day combined 7 day Bogota and 3 day Cali trip. (not including two days of travel time).
i agree colombia is way better than tj
but bogota is better than cali especially during the daytime and on sundays monday tuesdays.[/QUOTE]I agree Colombia is way better than Tijuana.

But Bogota is better than Cali especially during the daytime and on Sundays Monday Tuesdays.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2384329]I used it several times in Tijuana. Never the girl you see on the pic.[/QUOTE]Its better you go out and get your girl bro that way you are sure what you paying for. Plus you get more options on the outside. And in Colombia a lot of fakes and trans so just go out and get a girl. There are no shortage of places in Bogota. Similar site I used and was OK Skokka but again the photos are most time better than what you get.

Was all over Santa Fe last week, I had so much great pussy, so many hot girls, many new, so much hot pussy, I said it before and I will say it again. Santa Fe the best RDL in the world. So many hot hoes, So little time.

So me and HiStandards were all over SF getting lap-dances and phone numbers on Saturday. I have been in those all clubs a lot lately and Atonis is consistently my favorite.

HighStandards had a great time and like most so many of the guys I have shown Santa Fe was overwhelmed by the scene. He ended the night by getting a hot 18 year old Streetie Sweetie to back to his hotel for the night (250 mil).

It is better than ever. So many new girls coming to Santa Fe on the street and in clubs. Many go to the Atonis, La Casona or Venus. They are so enthusiastic in there lapdances and so slutty and fun.

Atonis seems to have the newer girls and they just seem sweeter and more sluttier too. The 3 cheaper clubs on 16 a are Venus, La Casona and Atonis.

There are some super hot girls 7-8-9's. There always seems to be at least 3-4 girls I want to fuck there.

I love going into the VIP area. You walk upstairs and there will be 3-5 naked girls doing lap dances. You can just sit there and drink your beer and enjoy the scene.

There is this scooter hanging over the stripper stage the girls get a raffle ticket for having quikee sessions upstairs. LOL See Photo.

Tonight.

I actually just got back a little while ago, Popped vitamin V and banged 2 hot 19 year olds. One club girl I met last week, had to get a just little bit more, So good, was gagging her hard BBBJ. This girl was loving it she does lesbo shows and will be eating pussy for like 15 minutes straight. Round 2 was a super cute petite white / latina Streetie Sweetie that I have had my eye on for a while. Looks like a hot ass girl I can get all my HS fantasies out on.

I paid the club girl*Carolina* like $18. I paid the streetie sweetie (what's her name?) $13.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2377644]Starts at Cutie Corners and goes all the way around the main block. There is a part they miss.

At night there are 4 times+ more! A spectacle to be seen if not participated in. Usually the 3 minute mark you would see 100 girls on a busy night.

Supermarket of sex!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tTNPs2bZGU&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0QPYif7fZ9OabDGILElZ4LmhRH7pNKLHbU9eHleOLd8zVxLHuc6fsUiMw[/URL][/QUOTE]Yo Woodman, are you in Santa Fe today? Lets link!

[QUOTE=DamonBlack;2384773]Its better you go out and get your girl bro that way you are sure what you paying for. Plus you get more options on the outside. And in Colombia a lot of fakes and trans so just go out and get a girl. There are no shortage of places in Bogota. Similar site I used and was OK Skokka but again the photos are most time better than what you get.[/QUOTE]Yes, I don't really get these guys using the photo sites, Especially in Bogota. I mean if you have no chemistry or you just don't like the way she looks in person.

You can go to the supermarket of sex, Santa Fe and do a quickie and know you want to spend more on an extended date, way better.

By the way, photo here is of Catalina, guaranteed real photos, she is a beautiful, natural, busty 20 something Venezuelan girl. I believe she charges 300 mil + taxi for 2 hours.

PM me for WhatsAp.

Got an email from my ex saying the bars would be closed and cities quiet because of elections this weekend. Is that true?

Is Santa Fe going to be quiet and closed like it was during Good Friday and Easter?

Authorities also announced that prohibition law, which prevents the sale of alcohol in restaurants and stores, will be in place from 18:00 on Saturday, October 26, until 06:00 on Monday, October 28. Sunday's elections concern mayoral, governor, municipal, department assembly, and local administrative boards in Atlántico, Antioquia, Valle del Cauca, Cundinamarca, Bogota, and Barranquilla. [URL]https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/280186/colombia-officials-to-close-border-with-venezuela-and-ecuador-october-24-27-ahead-of-regional-elections-update-2[/URL].

I'm a bit of a weed / sex addict so I always bring a joint when I go to SF.

I got sprung on that streetie sweetie from last night and had to go tag that 2 more times tonight. Super cute petite white, no babies, 20 YO. Looked sorta like Arrianna Grande but cuter.

I got good nasty BBBJ. I was banging her hard and she was screaming, liking it. When I slowed down she was bucking for the cock. Finished, and I went for a walk, smoked some more weed.

Checking out the scene. I saw 100+ girls at least half I would bone down on. This just the street action. Anyhow I had to get just a little bit mo. Ended smashing her hard again. She was having me bang her doggie style where she flattened out, she seemed to like it like that after some.

Finished, went and got some fried chicken. Payed $4 for half a chicken and fries, paid my chica $30 total.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2385062]Authorities also announced that prohibition law, which prevents the sale of alcohol in restaurants and stores, will be in place from 18:00 on Saturday, October 26, until 06:00 on Monday, October 28. Sunday's elections concern mayoral, governor, municipal, department assembly, and local administrative boards in Atlntico, Antioquia, Valle del Cauca, Cundinamarca, Bogota, and Barranquilla. [URL]https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/280186/colombia-officials-to-close-border-with-venezuela-and-ecuador-october-24-27-ahead-of-regional-elections-update-2[/URL].[/QUOTE]I was in SF a few years ago during elections, There were some girls on the streets but definitely not as good but some hotties.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2385021]Yes, I don't really get these guys using the photo sites, Especially in Bogota. I mean if you have no chemistry or you just don't like the way she looks in person.

You can go to the supermarket of sex, Santa Fe and do a quickie and know you want to spend more on an extended date, way better.

By the way, photo here is of Catalina, guaranteed real photos, she is a beautiful, natural, busty 20 something Venezuelan girl. I believe she charges 300 mil + taxi for 2 hours.

PM me for WhatsAp.[/QUOTE]HA! I should have really gone on here before my trip to Bogota. I fucked her! I met her on Tinder though. I can't remember the price but I know I didn't pay for anyone's UBER. She uses the exact photos on Tinder.

I'm back here too and having a blast. I'm surprised I haven't bumped into you. I'm supposed to be working so I'm staying at Tequendama for the great internet and making 4-5 walking trips back to Santa Fe every day.

I've been banging the little Indian looking 18 year olds toward the end of the walk. I went to Atony's the other night and was impressed with the lineup but was with my regular at the time so I wasn't able to partake.

One question, you said he got his Venezuelan back to his hotel. Which hotel? As you know, I've been trying to crack that code since my embarrassing situation on my last trip trying to get a Venezuelan club girl back to Tequendama.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2384795]Was all over Santa Fe last week, I had so much great pussy, so many hot girls, many new, so much hot pussy, I said it before and I will say it again. Santa Fe the best RDL in the world. So many hot hoes, So little time.

So me and HiStandards were all over SF getting lap-dances and phone numbers on Saturday. I have been in those all clubs a lot lately and Atonis is consistently my favorite.

HighStandards had a great time and like most so many of the guys I have shown Santa Fe was overwhelmed by the scene. He ended the night by getting a hot 18 year old Streetie Sweetie to back to his hotel for the night (250 mil).

It is better than ever. So many new girls coming to Santa Fe on the street and in clubs. Many go to the Atonis, La Casona or Venus. They are so enthusiastic in there lapdances and so slutty and fun.

Atonis seems to have the newer girls and they just seem sweeter and more sluttier too. The 3 cheaper clubs on 16 a are Venus, La Casona and Atonis.

There are some super hot girls 7-8-9's. There always seems to be at least 3-4 girls I want to fuck there.

I love going into the VIP area. You walk upstairs and there will be 3-5 naked girls doing lap dances. You can just sit there and drink your beer and enjoy the scene.

There is this scooter hanging over the stripper stage the girls get a raffle ticket for having quikee sessions upstairs. LOL See Photo.

Tonight.

I actually just got back a little while ago, Popped vitamin V and banged 2 hot 19 year olds. One club girl I met last week, had to get a just little bit more, So good, was gagging her hard BBBJ. This girl was loving it she does lesbo shows and will be eating pussy for like 15 minutes straight. Round 2 was a super cute petite white / latina Streetie Sweetie that I have had my eye on for a while. Looks like a hot ass girl I can get all my HS fantasies out on.

I paid the club girl*Carolina* like $18. I paid the streetie sweetie (what's her name?) $13.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2385188]I'm back here too and having a blast. I'm surprised I haven't bumped into you. I'm supposed to be working so I'm staying at Tequendama for the great internet and making 4-5 walking trips back to Santa Fe every day.

I've been banging the little Indian looking 18 year olds toward the end of the walk. I went to Atony's the other night and was impressed with the lineup but was with my regular at the time so I wasn't able to partake.

One question, you said he got his Venezuelan back to his hotel. Which hotel? As you know, I've been trying to crack that code since my embarrassing situation on my last trip trying to get a Venezuelan club girl back to Tequendama.[/QUOTE]Hey Now, he was staying at the Ibis. Also there are 2 love hotels a block north of the RDL on Carrera 16 one is Posada on corner.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2375252]

Still, if this doesn't work out, I will probably give up on a LTR with a Latin American woman and focus on American women. It's just hard given the higher quality of woman available in the South American countries.[/QUOTE]Really a Gringa? You have met wonderful women in Colombia.

I found your post great to read.

Say I go down to Santa Fe about 8 pm on a weekend night. A hot young girl, a hotel room in the area (walking distance for for the night), the total night including BBBJs for the girl. What is a decent price total, where would you find said girl, and which hotel in Santa Fe would you choose? Inquiring minds.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2385070]I'm a bit of a weed / sex addict so I always bring a joint when I go to SF.

I got sprung on that streetie sweetie from last night and had to go tag that 2 more times tonight. Super cute petite white, no babies, 20 YO. Looked sorta like Arrianna Grande but cuter.

I got good nasty BBBJ. I was banging her hard and she was screaming, liking it. When I slowed down she was bucking for the cock. Finished, and I went for a walk, smoked some more weed.

Checking out the scene. I saw 100+ girls at least half I would bone down on. This just the street action. Anyhow I had to get just a little bit mo. Ended smashing her hard again. She was having me bang her doggie style where she flattened out, she seemed to like it like that after some.

Finished, went and got some fried chicken. Payed $4 for half a chicken and fries, paid my chica $30 total.[/QUOTE]But this is not for everyone. Please don't go here alone and don't wear gold and you should be good. Paisa I would say has the best quality girls in that area. But if you are looking for cheap this is surely the place for you.

[QUOTE=DamonBlack;2385351]But this is not for everyone. Please don't go here alone and don't wear gold and you should be good. Paisa I would say has the best quality girls in that area. But if you are looking for cheap this is surely the place for you.[/QUOTE]You would say, I would say many girls in Atonis could work in Paisa. I would say you might have cognitive dissonance.

Went to mezzanine 104 this afternoon and enjoyed an hour session with a twenty-year-old from Venezuela. Last night I went to Troya and took a 25 year old girl upstairs. Both were 80,000 pesos. About $27 each.

They are all 104 #.

Which one so I can update the Map?

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2385626]Went to mezzanine 104 this afternoon and enjoyed an hour session with a twenty-year-old from Venezuela. Last night I went to Troya and took a 25 year old girl upstairs. Both were 80,000 pesos. About $27 each.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GhostRecon;2385341]Say I go down to Santa Fe about 8 pm on a weekend night. A hot young girl, a hotel room in the area (walking distance for for the night), the total night including BBBJs for the girl. What is a decent price total, where would you find said girl, and which hotel in Santa Fe would you choose? Inquiring minds.[/QUOTE]Whenever I ask them there is never a problem with 100,000. They may start higher than that, but they come down.

[QUOTE=GhostRecon;2385341]Say I go down to Santa Fe about 8 pm on a weekend night. A hot young girl, a hotel room in the area (walking distance for for the night), the total night including BBBJs for the girl. What is a decent price total, where would you find said girl, and which hotel in Santa Fe would you choose? Inquiring minds.[/QUOTE]Price maybe $200 mil+ or - . But what if she decides to leave after an hour or 2, not much you can do about that. Most girls will want up-front $$.

There is Santa Fe Suites on Carrera 16 about a block south of calle 23 on carerra 16. Also Hotel Normandie on Carrera 15.

You should be able to get a room at one of the hotels in SF itself, many have been remodeled. There is a new hotel on calle 23 and 16 a it is orange.

There are 2 hotels 1 block north of Calle 24 on Carerra 16 that look decent, see post #7070.

Was at mezzanine 104. Venezuelan girl was in probably number 6. But we went to number nine because that was the biggest room. Trying to attach photos. Not sure if successful.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2385646]They are all 104 #.

Which one so I can update the Map?[/QUOTE]They're all on the same hallway. I think she was in number five but we went to room nine because that had the bigger massage room.

Will be in Santa fe this Friday Nov 1. Found an Airbnb just off the main road by Calle 31. Wanted to know if anyone has stayed at Bogota Hills, Hotel Europa, Hotel Casa Sabelle, Hotel Villa Karina, Hotel Torre Central las Nieves. I know Hotel Santa Fe Suite is girl friendly thanks to Woodman's post. Been trying to get in touch with hotel through [URL]booking.com[/URL] but no answers. Are these hotel girl friendly or do you have a pay a fee every time you bring a girl. My airbnb said its OK to bring 1 girl for overnight stay per night. Its a condo no registration for guest but it has a guard. Also no addition charge.

Looking for wingman for my 10 day trip hit me up.

[QUOTE=Ikonic;2385826]Will be in Santa fe this Friday Nov 1. Found an Airbnb just off the main road by Calle 31. Wanted to know if anyone has stayed at Bogota Hills, Hotel Europa, Hotel Casa Sabelle, Hotel Villa Karina, Hotel Torre Central las Nieves. I know Hotel Santa Fe Suite is girl friendly thanks to Woodman's post. Been trying to get in touch with hotel through [URL]booking.com[/URL] but no answers. Are these hotel girl friendly or do you have a pay a fee every time you bring a girl. My airbnb said its OK to bring 1 girl for overnight stay per night. Its a condo no registration for guest but it has a guard. Also no addition charge.

Looking for wingman for my 10 day trip hit me up.[/QUOTE]Santa Fe Suites is probably not connected by on line booking service, You just show up.

Hotel Europa I believe is GF. I know one guy who stayed there. I know several guys who stayed at SF suites, Troy Suites and Hotel Normandie. All those hotels in SF you just have to show up. There are several.

There is a "cafe / bar" with table dancers called Sanram in Cedritos on Calle 140 and between Car. 13 and 15.

Does anyone know what kind of business this is? There are pictures of hotties dancing on tables on the building but is it a legit strip club?

You can see her going into number 9, where the massage room is the largest. 80,000 pesos for an hour. Has a 4 year old girl and still has a baby bump. Definitely fell in love with her and would have married her if a preacher were available. Sweetest girl I ever met that day. Large knockers and a great kisser! Agreed to meet me for dinner after her shift was over at 6 pm but too much traffic to take her up on dinner. Have her phone if someone wants it, please PM me.

You can see the size of the massage rooms with table at Mezzanine 104, and suite 9 has the largest room.

Can't see the braces on her teeth? oh well.

80,000 pesos for the 25 minute session. She had 3 orgasms that were not faked by the look on her face. Slightly flat chested with inverted nipples. Fell in love with her. Would have married her, if a preacher were available, and divorced her the next morning.
Have her number if any one is interested PM.

LOL. She is super cute.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2385931] would have married her if a preacher were available[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ikonic;2385826]Will be in Santa fe this Friday Nov 1. Found an Airbnb just off the main road by Calle 31. Wanted to know if anyone has stayed at Bogota Hills, Hotel Europa, Hotel Casa Sabelle, Hotel Villa Karina, Hotel Torre Central las Nieves. I know Hotel Santa Fe Suite is girl friendly thanks to Woodman's post. Been trying to get in touch with hotel through [URL]booking.com[/URL] but no answers. Are these hotel girl friendly or do you have a pay a fee every time you bring a girl. My airbnb said its OK to bring 1 girl for overnight stay per night. Its a condo no registration for guest but it has a guard. Also no addition charge.

Looking for wingman for my 10 day trip hit me up.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't bother with bookings (dot com), other than for research. I reserved a room at a Bogota hostal through the site for a small fee, only to find the hostal had no record of the booking when I arrived. Thankfully, they still had rooms avialable. Call the hotels and reserve directly, or use Airbnb.

Ikonic if you need a wingman, you probably should get the paid membership, as that allows private messaging.

[QUOTE=Ikonic;2385826] Found an Airbnb just off the main road by Calle 31. Wanted to know if anyone has stayed at Bogota Hills, Hotel Europa, Hotel Casa Sabelle, Hotel Villa Karina, Hotel Torre Central las Nieves. Are these hotel girl friendly or do you have a pay a fee every time you bring a girl. My airbnb said its OK to bring 1 girl for overnight stay per night. Its a condo no registration for guest but it has a guard. Also no addition charge.
[/QUOTE]I keep my airbnb and also grab a hotel room if I feel like it.

From memory, the hotel room was 30000 solo, or 40000 for unlimited girls all night.

My airbnb was only 5 minutes walk from there on Cra. 13 a ##28 but with the hotels so cheap I often take both.

Calle 140 #13-32, Cedritos. __ Chicas. Prices: __. Tel: +57 311 283 3121. Hours: Wednesday to Saturday, 7 pm to 2:30 am.

[URL]https://www.civico.com/lugar/sanram-bar-bogota[/URL]

They have a Facebook pages.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/groups/105685352814448/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/barrachilenasanram/?rf=296978496994803[/URL]

[QUOTE=GhostRecon;2385918]There is a "cafe / bar" with table dancers called Sanram in Cedritos on Calle 140 and between Car. 13 and 15.

Does anyone know what kind of business this is? There are pictures of hotties dancing on tables on the building but is it a legit strip club?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2386151]Calle 140 #13-32, Cedritos. __ Chicas. Prices: __. Tel: +57 311 283 3121. Hours: Wednesday to Saturday, 7 pm to 2:30 am.

[URL]https://www.civico.com/lugar/sanram-bar-bogota[/URL]

They have a Facebook pages.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/groups/105685352814448/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/barrachilenasanram/?rf=296978496994803[/URL][/QUOTE]There doesn't seem to a new post since 2018 on their FB page. Still unsure what to make of it. Someone needs to do some recon.

[QUOTE=Ikonic;2385826]Will be in Santa fe this Friday Nov 1. Found an Airbnb just off the main road by Calle 31. Wanted to know if anyone has stayed at Bogota Hills, Hotel Europa, Hotel Casa Sabelle, Hotel Villa Karina, Hotel Torre Central las Nieves. I know Hotel Santa Fe Suite is girl friendly thanks to Woodman's post. Been trying to get in touch with hotel through [URL]booking.com[/URL] but no answers. Are these hotel girl friendly or do you have a pay a fee every time you bring a girl. My airbnb said its OK to bring 1 girl for overnight stay per night. Its a condo no registration for guest but it has a guard. Also no addition charge.

Looking for wingman for my 10 day trip hit me up.[/QUOTE]I will be in SF around the same time but you don't have messaging turned on.

This one has an October post, but does not say what year.

[QUOTE=GhostRecon;2386236]There doesn't seem to a new post since 2018 on their FB page. Still unsure what to make of it. Someone needs to do some recon.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IrishA;2386269]I will be in SF around the same time but you don't have messaging turned on.[/QUOTE]Subscription paid. Contact me.

Just got back Sunday from a weekend in Bogota.

Stayed at the hotel San Francisco de Assis which is about 8 blocks from Santa Fe action. Basic economy for about $25 a night including breakfast. No ventilation or windows that can be opened in room, no AC or heat, but you may not need AC or heat because the weather is comfortable. Hot water in shower. Outside the hotel there are people sleeping on the sidewalk with blankets to keep them warm. Creepy men and women who look at you twice to make sure they themselves are safe. Hotel will call a taxi for you, otherwise public taxis you hail may overcharge or take the long way to destinations to run up their bill.

Saturday, before elections on Sunday, SF was closed. No alcohol after 6 pm. However I walked around Santa Fe before dark. Surprised to see two large vans of police near La Piscina. Door guard said they were closed, and cops were checking the men for arms, hand guns. Also there were pairs of army men on many street corners, with loaded rifles, clips in the chambers. Probably for the news media to show how the Mayor was protecting his residents, prior to the election the next day.

The only way to go to the clubs after dark is by taxi. I would not walk around in that area after dark.

Also, dress in drab, dark clothes. No short pants, you will stick out! Do not have flashy or any jewelry, do not expose a cell phone or it will get grabbed by someone on a mortorcycle. If you walk around in the day time, try to find other Colombian people walking the same way and walk close to them, do not walk by yourself. I had one creepy guy stalk me when I went to Santa Fe alone during the day.

To them you are rich. They have nothing, or next to nothing and survival is all they worry about each day. Stealing from you means nothing to them, you have it and they want it. Other than Saturday, in show for the election, there are few police or army people to protect you.

Its better to go with someone to the clubs, but every one inside seemed easy going, wanting their drinks and women. Lap dances for 15,000 pesos, about $5. Upstairs sex for 80,000 about $27.

Have been to other locations around the world and Santa Fe zona de intolerance has the most concentrated site for the most women, that I know of, in the whole world. Well over 2,000+ women available.

Yes, many of the women are fantastic, all varieties, tattoos, fat or slim, sexy or ugly, old and over 18. Many of the door girls are obese, in my opinion, but most of the girls inside the club are very attractive, 6-9 on a scale of 1-10. It is incredible and fantastic to see the excitement at these clubs, but take a taxi after dark and follow these precautions. Your life is worth it.

I'd say it was another successful trip. I spent a work week down there and got much busier than anticipated at work so I couldn't monger quite as much as I wanted. Still I spent a significant amount of time in Santa Fe and nailed 13 different young hotties. I stayed at the Tequendama because it is so close to Santa Fe and because the internet was great on my last trip. My Verizon Cell Phone stayed in VZW (wifi) mode the whole time. This time, my internet was terrible when I arrived. I was getting 2 bars even though I had an access point in my room. I asked for someone from engineering to come up and work on it. They did. They put me on a different SSID and I had 60-100 mb up and down for the rest of my trip. It was perfect.

Now, to the girls. I go for young, skinny girls who don't look too drugged out. I ended up finding plenty. Many who looked almost Indian. That fit my profile. The two main concentrations for me were the main block below Piscina. Calle 15-16, Cra 23-24 and the corner of Calle 20 and Cra 14 bis. I also found that there was a treasure trove of hotties a little further down Calle 20 toward Cra 16. Thursday afternoon and night, the selection was incredible. I was disappointed to see how early things slow down on Friday night. By midnight, the Calle 20 area was a ghosttown. Even though I got in much later than I planned and I had a shitton of work to do each day, I managed to nail 13 street girls over 5 full days so my numbers weren't too bad. On the gross side, I had a couple of girls who were either on their periods or started their periods while I was banging them. Not cool.

I had a Venezuelan girl from Venus who I've been chatting with since my last trip. I thought I would take her to Santa Fe Suites for an all-night visit. But after a daytime tour of the rooms, Santa Fe Suites seemed too much like a crack house. Worse than many of the short-time rooms I was taking streetie sweeties to. So we went to Amarte Suites in Chapinero for an all night in a love motel. It was alright. But the love hotel beds are NOT good for sleeping in.

I ate almost all my lunches and dinners at Voodoo burger and was never disappointed. I am as much of a white gringo as I can be and I spent hours walking all over Santa Fe. I never felt like there were any security issues at all. The only negative I did notice, and I'm not an animal rights person, but I saw people being incredible cruel and rough with their dogs. It sucks to be an animal in a third world country.

Anyway, good trip. And I can't wait to get back. Maybe next time I will check out Cucuta or Cartegena.

Good reports from both, but they do show the difference in people's perspectives. One guy describes Santa Fe as if you're almost certain to be robbed. The other felt secure and comfortable.

Good advice not to wear shorts in Bogota. Not only will you stand out, but at night you'll freeze your balls off.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2386897]Good reports from both, but they do show the difference in people's perspectives. One guy describes Santa Fe as if you're almost certain to be robbed. The other felt secure and comfortable.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2386817]The only way to go to the clubs after dark is by taxi. I would not walk around in that area after dark.[/QUOTE]Yes the reports were wonderful. The only way I go to Santa Fe is to walk there from my hotel on Cra 13 AT NIGHT. LOL.

I've spent significant amounts of time in Santa Fe, both day and night; I feel safer there after dark than during the day. After dark, there's a lot more people out and more police, security guard presence than during the day. You're safer in crowds than on lonely streets. And most people are just trying to have a good time. The only weird stuff I've seen is a few arguments, people threatening to fight, and a couple of foot chases. Perception of safety is relative, but those who think it's dangerous probably haven't lived in or spent much time in truly dangerous neighboorhoods, where guns shots are blasting day and night, and you expect to get mugged every time out. Sure, I speak Spanish and can blend in with the locals, so that helps. But Santa Fe is really a walk in a theme park. But if you want to play it extra safe, yes the clubs will give you the security you're looking for (just watch your drink). Chapinero daytime 'casas' are also a safe bet. Also, I don't take my phone to SF, as I don't need it and it's once less thing to worry about. Cell phones are attractive targets for thefts in Colombia, they will kill for cell phones here. Another thing: the sun rises and sets early in Bogota. Currently, the sun sets at 5:40 pm, so there's a lot of time for 'after dark. ' I don't linger past 11 pm as I don't have to since it's going on all day and evening.

[QUOTE=GhostRecon;2385918]There is a "cafe / bar" with table dancers called Sanram in Cedritos on Calle 140 and between Car. 13 and 15.

Does anyone know what kind of business this is? There are pictures of hotties dancing on tables on the building but is it a legit strip club?[/QUOTE]Yes that place is a rip off. Lap dances for 150,000. And that's all they do.

Santa Fe is a hole. You don't want to walk anywhere there. I got robbed there and a friend got stabbed and almost died. Knife just missed his heart.

The area is full of dudes who are ladrones and skanks with STDs that will drug and or rob you at any opportunity.

But hey if your that desperate for sex.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2386950]Yes the reports were wonderful. The only way I go to Santa Fe is to walk there from my hotel on Cra 13 AT NIGHT. LOL.[/QUOTE]Problem is to find a safe taxi and willing to pick you up from Santa Fe at night.

I love that Gary Groundwork and other posters are scared and talk bad about Santa Fe. That will hopefully keep it just how I like it. Not overran with overpaying gringos like Medellin and Tons of smoking hot chicks of all shapes and sizes wanting to get banged for $18. I'm a 39 year old gringo and been going to Santa Fe alone for 5 years. Hell yeah it's shady looking asf but the chicks are hot and I love it. Last time I missed my flight to mde on purpose to just stay in Bogota.

[QUOTE=Cessna2100;2387198]I love that Gary Groundwork and other posters are scared and talk bad about Santa Fe. That will hopefully keep it just how I like it. Not overran with overpaying gringos like Medellin and Tons of smoking hot chicks of all shapes and sizes wanting to get banged for $18. I'm a 39 year old gringo and been going to Santa Fe alone for 5 years. Hell yeah it's shady looking asf but the chicks are hot and I love it. Last time I missed my flight to mde on purpose to just stay in Bogota.[/QUOTE]LMAO! I Like the The Super Hottt Girls that I can Bang for $8-$12!

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2387143]Problem is to find a safe taxi and willing to pick you up from Santa Fe at night.[/QUOTE]UBER? I have caught many taxis at night there, Never been a problem.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2386893]I'd say it was another successful trip. I spent a work week down there ...

Now, to the girls. I go for young, skinny girls who don't look too drugged out. I ended up finding plenty. Many who looked almost Indian. That fit my profile. The two main concentrations for me were the main block below Piscina. Calle 15-16, Cra 23-24 and the corner of Calle 20 and Cra 14 bis. I also found that there was a treasure trove of hotties a little further down Calle 20 toward Cra 16. Thursday afternoon and night, the selection was incredible. I was disappointed to see how early things slow down ...

I had a Venezuelan girl from Venus who I've been chatting with since my last trip. I thought I would take her to Santa Fe Suites for an all-night visit. But after a daytime tour of the rooms, Santa Fe Suites seemed too much like a crack house. Worse than many of the short-time rooms I was taking streetie sweeties to. So we went to Amarte Suites in Chapinero for an all night in a love motel. It was alright. But the love hotel beds are NOT good for sleeping in.[/QUOTE]Hey,

Now, I love your report, confirms my reports about the all the hot ass girls in SF, I call those 2 corners you mention ¨Cutie Corners¨ .

Even when SF is slow there usually is some hotness there.

I walked through last night, you could not swing a dead cat without hitting some hot streetie sweetie.

[QUOTE=GaryGroundwork;2387031]Santa Fe is a hole. You don't want to walk anywhere there. I got robbed there and a friend got stabbed and almost died. Knife just missed his heart.

The area is full of dudes who are ladrones and skanks with STDs that will drug and or rob you at any opportunity.[/QUOTE]You also added in another post that your friend was stabbed when he resisted. This is a basic mistake. I find, usually when someone gets robbed or stabbed, it's because they made some mistake that they probably were not aware of (resisting a mugger, staying out too late, drunkenness, etc.). Your life is more important than some money or cell phone. I recommend if you don't have street smarts, then yes, stay away from Santa Fe; just as people without book smarts are not cut out for the university. I've meet people who have no street smarts who very quickly will endanger themselves, and in the same situation another person will no no problem at all.

Another mistake I see people do is trusting strangers. They meet a hot chick or (a cool dude) hit it off, bring 'them back to the apartment to party, next thing there's a guy with a gun at their door; or they cleverly slip something into the drink and you pass out. Basically, don't trust nobody you don't know well, don't get drunk, don't invite strangers to you place, don't flash money and valuables around, don't stay out too late, don't carry a lot of money or anything you're not willing to lose, don't resist muggers, walk quickly to where you're going, don't walk down dark empty streets, don't linger in vulnerable areas, dress to blend in, don't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] people off, and so on. Certainly there's a cost to going out, leaving your home and country. There's no gain without risk, but you do what you can to mitigate risk, then let chips fall where they may. It's up to you whether the cost is worth it.

I'm sure there's some guys on here, like me, that like to snap a photo or two of their girls. A photo is a nice memory. I usually like to take a side by side in the short time room before the antics begin. I've had some willingly take them with me, and I've paid up to 20 K for a snapshot (yeah, I know). For those guys that like to grab a photo, what's been your experience? Is there any standard price range for that? Currently, I just bring it up during the "interview process. ".

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2387719]I'm sure there's some guys on here, like me, that like to snap a photo or two of their girls. A photo is a nice memory. I usually like to take a side by side in the short time room before the antics begin. I've had some willingly take them with me, and I've paid up to 20 K for a snapshot (yeah, I know). For those guys that like to grab a photo, what's been your experience? Is there any standard price range for that? Currently, I just bring it up during the "interview process. ".[/QUOTE]The standard price range for me has always been 0. But I guess there are guys that want to pay extra for pictures the same as there are guys that like to pay extra for BBBJ or anything else. Problem is that once so many guys give out the extra then it catches on like wildfire and chicks start charging extra and paying extra becomes the standard. Thanks for nothing extra guys!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2387751]The standard price range for me has always been 0. But I guess there are guys that want to pay extra for pictures the same as there are guys that like to pay extra for BBBJ or anything else. Problem is that once so many guys give out the extra then it catches on like wildfire and chicks start charging extra and paying extra becomes the standard. Thanks for nothing extra guys![/QUOTE]I don't understand the concept of extras. If my main objective is to get a girl to give me a BBBJ, DT, CIM and swallow, I'll look for a girl who does that. I'm not paying someone to come, then agree to pay them more for something they might not be able, or willing to do. If she's skilled, she'll do it anyway. If she's lousy at it, you're paying to be disappointed.

I always have asked if I can take a pic of them. I have never paid for any pics. A lot may not want their face included some have told me no which they may do for others. I do agree that once the info gets out they will expect that for every guy from now on. I seen and heard about guys paying extraordinary amounts for session.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2387719]I'm sure there's some guys on here, like me, that like to snap a photo or two of their girls. A photo is a nice memory. I usually like to take a side by side in the short time room before the antics begin. I've had some willingly take them with me, and I've paid up to 20 K for a snapshot (yeah, I know). For those guys that like to grab a photo, what's been your experience? Is there any standard price range for that? Currently, I just bring it up during the "interview process..[/QUOTE]

Wandered down to Santa Fe by myself last night about 5. 30 pm, it was my first time there but not my first in Bogotá. The info contained here was a great help to give me bit of a lay of the land so thanks to all of those who've contributed reports that make it easier for those that follow.

Initially my game plan was to get my Uber to drop me off at Troya and if I felt comfortable when I saw the area I'the just go for a wander prior to hitting a club. That didn't work out at first because nether my driver or I could find the place so I just got out and had a look around.

The first place I recognised was Paisas and I tried to use that one set my bearings, not realising it had entrances on 2 streets. Had a look around at some of the SW action and unlike Medellin there were a few I liked.

I went looking for Atunes which a number of contributors here have spoken highly of but I get it confused with Atonis which is the first bar I went into. Got myself a Heineken (mental note, drink local beer next time) and grabbed a seat. Within 3 or 4 minutes a fine looking chica came and stood nearby hoping to get my attention. As I'the only been there a few moments I ignored her to examine my options and she wandered off. The selection of chicas at that time was quite ordinary except for maybe two of them.

Went out and did another lap of the SW's and looking for Troya / Atunes and saw some very nice SW's but eventually ended up at Paisas. There were girls of all shapes and sizes at Paisas and I'm surprised the quality wasn't higher, but to be fair I was relatively early. One annoying thing was that waiter that followed me as I entered the bar pestering me to buy a drink, which I did at the bar, kept coming and standing in front of me partially obscuring my view. How do you say "Get the fuck out of my way" in Spanish? Haha. At the time I was there there was three chicas I could have tried.

After another lap outside I eventually found Troya and I hit the mother lode. That place had so many hot women! Seriously, if you cannot find a woman you like in that place you're gay. There were plenty of 7's and 8's and the occasional 9. Doing at least one of those 9's is my ambition in Bogotá. Anyone know were there's more of them? Preferably with BBBJ.

Later I ended up sessioning a bubbly chica (l later found out why she was so bubbly) with massive hooters. Prior to the session I had a dirty lap dance from her for 30 Mil but as a not for all newbies carry plenty of smaller notes for change as I ended up paying 40 . Honestly, there were plenty of better looking chicas available but this one was the first to make me laugh.

In the room she was fun and enthusiastic but kept trying to up sell for more time. Sadly she was a tunnel guts and I failed to shoot so I went outside and found a SW who seemed like fun. I asked for half hour and she quoted 80 Mil, I countered with 50 and she said no so to started walking. Taking only a few steps she changed her mind and off we went.

With the stories I've heard about the SW's from contributors here I wasn't expecting much but was pleasantly surprised. She was happy and fun during my session and her surprisingly tight fit for a SW had me finished fast which we both had a chuckle at.

There was more time back in Troya but I'the didn't want to session there as I wasn't sure I could bust out another one. Later I had one me session with a Vennie SW who ended up being a dud.

Left Santa Fe about 11.30 in a yellow taxi I just stopped on the street and had no problems. Ill probably head back to Santa Fe this afternoon or tonight if anybody is around and wants to meet up.

One final note on security. The area is definitely sketchy but not unacceptably so if you take some precautions. I had all my small notes and an expired CC in my wallet in my back pocket. Most of my cash was stashed in other pockets and my phone never came out of my pocket except for in a bar / restaurant or to show my taxi driver my address.

There was definitely guys there sizing you up as a mark but all you need to do is not be the easiest / best option. When I saw someone looking me over I looked back. Don't show a wild animal that you're scared. In my opinion by far the greatest threat was from the mentally ill that I occasionally saw. Who knows what's going on inside their heads.

Has anyone had much success with Tinder in Bogotá? As soon as I got here I started swiping right to any chica that was half decent and have matched with zero. I had loads of matches in Medellin which led me to believe that I'm handsome and charming but Bogotá is making me question that.

On a side note, is it just me or are the Paisas far better looking on average than the girls here in Bogotá ? There are surely loads of beautiful women in this city but that says more about the massive population than the average.

[QUOTE=Grrrr;2387951]Has anyone had much success with Tinder in Bogot? As soon as I got here I started swiping right to any chica that was half decent and have matched with zero. I had loads of matches in Medellin which led me to believe that I'm handsome and charming but Bogot is making me question that.

On a side note, is it just me or are the Paisas far better looking on average than the girls here in Bogot ? There are surely loads of beautiful women in this city but that says more about the massive population than the average.[/QUOTE]I know lotsa guys who meet really hot Pro / Semi Pro in Bogota. I have not really had time for this.

Hi everyone,

Researching Bogota and Rio for my next trip.

Loads of great info on here, Woodman sounds like you are living the good life.

Just wondering how far is Zona Rosa from Santa Fe in a taxi?

Staying near Santa Fe sounds very convenient but I like to be around lots of bars, restaurants etc for the time I'm not mongering.

Thanks.

I am planning to visit Bogota in two weeks and this is my first time here. I am.

Not good at Spanish. Can someone suggest me Airbnb apartments or hotel which is girls friendly?

Hi guys,

I have spend a lot of time reviewing all the reviews. Great work and lot's of valuable info. Most reports are about SF area. As I am not that adventurous I prefer staying in the Zone T. I could not find a lot of info regarding this part of the city. Any hints and recommendations regarding casas, strip clubs, por and semi-pro places, contact bars (Del Rey style from CR)? Pages [URL]prepagos.com[/URL] seems trustable for short time fun. Any other recommended pages or sources? Thanks guys for your help!

Regards and enjoy life.

Raul.

Hi,

I'm in Santa Fe. Is there any place to get an American breakfast? Any good cheap restaurants to eat at or take a chica too?

[QUOTE=LittlePete;2388126]I am planning to visit Bogota in two weeks and this is my first time here. I am.

Not good at Spanish. Can someone suggest me Airbnb apartments or hotel which is girls friendly?[/QUOTE]I can only speak from reading the forum and booking myself (yet to land in Bogota). Most folks recommend Hotel IBIS (GF with no charge). There are other hotels that are GF but may charge you around 60 Mil per "guest". As far as AirBnB's go, just ask the host before booking and they usually confirm whether it's alright for someone to come up to the room for a stay. Always book for 2 guests anyway. Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2388038]Hi everyone,

Researching Bogota and Rio for my next trip.

Loads of great info on here, Woodman sounds like you are living the good life.

Just wondering how far is Zona Rosa from Santa Fe in a taxi?

Staying near Santa Fe sounds very convenient but I like to be around lots of bars, restaurants etc for the time I'm not mongering.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]It is 7 miles or so from SF. Also Parque 93 is another classy area.

There is another club district in Gallerias which is a few miles west of Chapinero on Calle 53. Many clubs in Chapinero more along Carerra 7 more of a college area.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2388384]It is 7 miles or so from SF. Also Parque 93 is another classy area.

There is another club district in Gallerias which is a few miles west of Chapinero on Calle 53. Many clubs in Chapinero more along Carerra 7 more of a college area.[/QUOTE]Thanks Woodman.

I'll definitely be interested in hiring you to show me around.

I'm basically wanting to be near a gym, decent food, a mall to go during the day.

I don't want a fancy room. All I need is access to WiFi, a fridge and a clean room, don't mind a small room as long as it has a double bed.

I'd probably be going to Santa Fe most nights but I don't mind paying for a taxi if I can't get a suitable room nearby.

In your expert opinion which area would suit me best?

Really appreciate your opinion.

[QUOTE=Ikonic;2388315]I'm in Santa Fe. Is there any place to get an American breakfast? Any good cheap restaurants to eat at or take a chica too?[/QUOTE]LOL. Not that I have ever seen. Not any Americans around there to be having American stuff. The hotel that I stay in has free Colombian breakfast. If you mean restaurant for breakfast then that is really not a thing. They usually just eat a piece of bread and drink coffee for breakfast in South America.

Just got back from my Sunday night at SF and thought I'the share some up to date info on the Sunday scene.

There were certainly enough SW's out to make it worthwhile, nowhere near as many as Friday which was jam packed with girls. During my few laps of the block I probably only saw 3 that I was willing to pay for at that time but they were all either talking to somebody when I saw them or not there anymore on subsequent laps.

I went into 3 clubs but stuck my head into 2 other but walked back out again. Of the 4 I went to Troya was the biggest surprise, it was super quiet. Probably 40 people in there and not much in the way of talent and certainly nobody dancing so I had 1 drink and left.

On a few separate occasions I entered Atunes or whatever the fuck it's called and it was pretty busy. They had a steady stream of dancers one of whom entertained the crowd with her disappearing lolypop routine. There was probably 20 girls there with none I rated higher than a 7.

Later I went to Paisas which was around a third full, so full enough for it to be ok but had nobody dancing while I was there and it also lacked good looking chicas but there were certainly a few there.

The last club I went to was Fiebre Sex and it was 3/4 full with more lookers than the other places. While I was there there was a pair of pole dancers who were supremely talented. These girls have clearly had a lot of time dancing round a chrome pole and most probably a few guys poles too.

Ended up taking a girl upstairs from Fiebre, Valentina, she was a complete dud. In fact the worst I've had in Colombia by far. In the room she wouldn't take off her clothes which I thought was a little strange given her occupation but anyway. The CBJ was half assed and she tried to begin sex before I was even half way hard. Seriously, a teenage girl having sex for the third time would know that a semi hard cock was never going to work. When we eventually got going she was constantly telling me to hurry, which of course is a major turn off. In the end I bailed out.

After that unfortunate ending I decided I wasn't in the mood to take another chica so started looking for a taxi. It usually takes a while to convince a driver because my Airbnb is in a sketchy part of town. It is chica friendly though.

While I was walking down the street I saw this crazy looking guy with a knife that was walking down the street without really attempting to hide it. As people saw him they scattered. He was walking the same direction as me so there was no danger to me but I ducked back the other way and grabbed a couple of cops. They followed me back down there and I had to get reasonably close to the guy to point him out. Needless to say he didn't look to happy with me.

The guy argued it's the cops and had something wrapped around his hand which they made him take off which revealed what looked like a pretty nasty cut to the had which was bleeding. In the end I thought I'd better leave.

With all that craziness in mind I still felt pretty safe down there. Usual precautions such as not drinking too much booze, being aware of your surroundings, splitting the locations of your cash and simply not looking like you’re about to be attacked by a lion should be fine. I certainly don’t walk like I’m heading somewhere because I wanna take it slow to view the chicas.

It was certainly worthwhile heading down to SF on a Sunday and if I wasn't such a fussy MOFO then I probably would have managed to nut once or twice.

The highlight for me was the awesome kebab I got from one of the street vendors on 16 or 16 a. Saw four cops and three other waiting in line and thought they must be good and they were.

[QUOTE=Ikonic;2388315]Hi,

I'm in Santa Fe. Is there any place to get an American breakfast? Any good cheap restaurants to eat at or take a chica too?[/QUOTE]Maybe try the restaurant at the Teqendama Hotel, the may have.

Check out these places and report to us.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1Y7d556oDwhh_X83ZCec7ItKPaXQ&ll=4.703426752456114%2C-74.04561860000001&z=13[/URL]

[QUOTE=Raul11;2388285]Hi guys,

I have spend a lot of time reviewing all the reviews. Great work and lot's of valuable info. Most reports are about SF area. As I am not that adventurous I prefer staying in the Zone T. I could not find a lot of info regarding this part of the city. Any hints and recommendations regarding casas, strip clubs, por and semi-pro places, contact bars (Del Rey style from CR)? Pages [URL]prepagos.com[/URL] seems trustable for short time fun. Any other recommended pages or sources? Thanks guys for your help!

Regards and enjoy life.

Raul.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2388499]LOL. Not that I have ever seen. Not any Americans around there to be having American stuff. The hotel that I stay in has free Colombian breakfast. If you mean restaurant for breakfast then that is really not a thing. They usually just eat a piece of bread and drink coffee for breakfast in South America.[/QUOTE]Well, you're right, there's no American IHOP around, however, the Colombians I know do eat breakfast, LOL.

Typical breakfast (see photo) served all over the place.
Pericos con arepa y queso.

I will be in Bogota November 13-20 and staying at Hotel ibis. If anyone would like to meet for drinks and exploring the ladies, send me a message.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2388728]Check out these places and report to us.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1Y7d556oDwhh_X83ZCec7ItKPaXQ&ll=4.703426752456114%2C-74.04561860000001&z=13[/URL][/QUOTE]Brilliant! Any recommendation? It's ahige list!

They offer American Breakfast:

[B]Sheraton Bogota Hotel,[/B] Calle 25 B #69 see-80, Bogota Colombia. [URL]https://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/bogsi-sheraton-bogota-hotel/?scid=45f93f1b-bd77-45c9-8dab-83b6a417f6fe[/URL].
[URL]https://www.marriott.com/hotels/hotel-information/restaurant/bogsi-sheraton-bogota-hotel/[/URL]

[B]The Artisan D.C. Hotel, Autograph Collection,[/B] Av. Calle 72 #5 - 51.
[URL]https://www.marriott.com/hotels/hotel-information/restaurant/bogak-the-artisan-dc-hotel-autograph-collection/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Ikonic;2388315]Hi,

I'm in Santa Fe. Is there any place to get an American breakfast? Any good cheap restaurants to eat at or take a chica too?[/QUOTE]

Checked into Tequendama what a great hotel, 7 pm went down to A Toros and met up with Wood man to catch up.

The place was wedged full of hot pussy done one large and one spinner 50 k cop each.

Later met one other member and done a little street meat hunting but nothing stood out, went to pisas to close the night got a great thick 23 yo from Cali wow!

Santa Fa rocks!

[QUOTE=IrishA;2390573]Checked into Tequendama what a great hotel, 7 pm went down to A Toros and met up with Wood man to catch up.

The place was wedged full of hot pussy done one large and one spinner 50 k cop each.

Later met one other member and done a little street meat hunting but nothing stood out, went to pisas to close the night got a great thick 23 yo from Cali wow!

Santa Fa rocks![/QUOTE]Yes IrishA, Was all over SF last night, Atonis was as usual fantastic full of Barely Legal Lolitaesqe girls. I taught one a lesson for sure for 50 k.

Sometimes during the lap dances they will let you play doctor and even do a little show with a bottle. Have Fun!

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2390762]Sometimes during the lap dances they will let you play doctor and even do a little show with a bottle. Have Fun![/QUOTE]True. I witnessed one girl at Troya, bare naked, performing lap dances on 5-6 men while being passed around their table and letting the men play with her pussy lips as she was passed.

Hotel NH calle 100 there is a service maid there name Lenora. If you run into her you can offer some money for other services.

Visited today (no cover charge) on Saturday. There were a few thin hot ladies I would do. I was quoted 120 mil for sex but didn't feel like it.

A girl asked for a bottle which I bought for her to drink. I didn't drink any (strangely enough I drank a little while I was in Havana). She has nice and, tits, butt (only imperfection at the braces to fix her teeth). She asked for 40 mil tip. All together I spent about 130 mil for the night at PH. Whatever, it's not a big deal. Strangely enough, I could have fucked her for less than I spent there for a few hours enjoying the show.

Just returned from 3 weeks in Colombia and this is my quick summary of Bogota.

I stayed at Ibis which is guest friendly hotel right beside the national museum and paid 150 k cop / night.

My planning was bit poor so I stayed in Bogota only 5 days. From Sunday to Friday and the best days are probably end of the week.

On Sunday I arrived from Europe after taking 3 flights and was jetlagged / tired as hell. Regardless I had decided that no nights shall go wasted. Right after I arrived at hotel I took a quick shower and Uber straight to the Troya club. I did not enter any club at first but decided to walk around the the whole thing area. From calle24 to carrera 15. Over to calle23 and carrera 16 and back to calle24 and carrera 16 a.

I must have walked around there probably 10-11 times and trying to make notes of which girl was candidate for my leche. Stopped a couple times to ask quanto and got price of 35 k. I did not want to give away that I am foreigner so tried to keep conversations limited as my Spanish is limited. Anyway jetlagged and tired I decided to pull trigger on a girl for 35 k from street on calle23. She took me to a room nearby and I had to pay 5 k for that. And within 10 minutes the knock came but I pushed hard as possible and managed to finish.

After that I went around to various clubs. One of the clubs had this massive tit / butt girl walking around naked and I got super excited about her but she was busy drinking with local fellas.

After some hours and probably 7-8 beers I started to feel buzzed and damn tired. Grabbed a taxi from street and told him to drop me off at Museo Nacional for 5 k.

Overall experience after the night was very positive. I love curvy girls and was in heaven. Having mongered in Africa / Asia. I am not exactly newbie but you have to be careful in Santa Fe. As Colombian say "don't be a papaya".

Over the course the next 4 days I spent hours in Santa Fe and shagged minimum 3 girls daily. Mostly from street but also club girls. I paid 40 k for street girls and approx 70-80 k for club girls. Some tried to jack up the price when they learned I was foreigner as my mixed background makes me blend in easily as a "Rolo" (Bogotá native) but I did not move on my price. And almost all agreed.

With the street girls I started negotiating for 30 min as 20 min is in reality only 10. And I had so much fun with many sweeties.

Rest of 3 weeks was spent in other cities like Cali, Medellin but for mongering purpose I would say Bogota Santa Fe is damn awesome. Compared to el centro in Medellin or bar la 20 in Cali the amount of hotties in Santa Fe surpass them easily.

Hello all,

I saw many reports regarding Santa Fe and Clubs, but is there any information regarding high class reliable escort agency in Bogota?

Looking for an elite girl, whom I willing to pay the price (best if they have fetish escorts / submissive like they have in Germany) or independent ladies GFE which can be trusted.

I speak fairly good Spanish.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Best,

Aviv.

[QUOTE=SparrrowHawk;2390946]Just returned from 3 weeks in Colombia and this is my quick summary of Bogota.

I stayed at Ibis which is guest friendly hotel right beside...

On Sunday I arrived from Europe after taking 3 flights and was jetlagged / tired as hell. Regardless I had decided that no nights shall go wasted. Right after I arrived at hotel I took a quick shower and Uber straight to the Troya club. I did not enter any club at first but decided to walk around the the whole thing area. From calle24 to carrera 15. Over to calle23 and carrera 16 and back to calle24 and carrera 16 a.[/QUOTE]Actually, there is the South stroll area a couple of blocks south of the main area from Calle 19 to Calle 21 along Carerra 15 bis. Many hot girls there for quickees as low as $26 mil. I made a post covering this area with photos a couple months back.

[QUOTE]I must have walked around there probably 10-11 times and trying to make notes of which girl was candidate for my leche. Stopped a couple times to ask quanto and got price of 35 k. I did not want to give away that I am foreigner so tried to keep conversations limited as my Spanish is limited. Anyway jetlagged and tired I decided to pull trigger on a girl for 35 k from street on calle23. She took me to a room nearby and I had to pay 5 k for that. And within 10 minutes the knock came but I pushed hard as possible and managed to finish.[/QUOTE]My experience is it is usually a good 15 minutes and often longer 20-25, especially if it is slow. Some girls will absolutely stop at the knock. I have been with many that will hang in there and let me finish, they yell ¨voy¨ when the knock comes and let me finish. If I'm having a really great time I often will double up and pay the girl for another session and stay in the room.

About the 5 k room payment, actually the girl usually pays that out of the 35-40 k session fee. I will usually negotiate this. I know a lot of you are thinking ¨who cares about 5 k¨ I agree but I always like to spend a few minutes getting to know the girl and vetting her before I pull the trigger. I like to see how she reacts to my smoltzee BS and if she is letting me feel her up. I just want a fun girl.

[QUOTE] After that I went around to various clubs. One of the clubs had this massive tit / butt girl walking around naked...

Overall experience after the night was very positive. I love curvy girls and was in heaven. Having mongered in Africa / Asia. I am not exactly newbie but you have to be careful in Santa Fe. As Colombian say "don't be a papaya".[/QUOTE]Yes many hot curvy plumpers. Lots of fun.

The saying is actually ¨don't give Papaya¨.

[QUOTE] Over the course the next 4 days I spent hours in Santa Fe and shagged minimum 3 girls daily. Mostly from street but also club girls. I paid 40 k for street girls and approx 70-80 k for club girls. Some tried to jack up the price when they learned I was foreigner as my mixed background makes me blend in easily as a "Rolo" (Bogot native) but I did not move on my price. And almost all agreed.

With the street girls I started negotiating for 30 min as 20 min is in reality only 10. And I had so much fun with many sweeties.

Rest of 3 weeks was spent in other cities like Cali, Medellin but for mongering purpose I would say Bogota Santa Fe is damn awesome. Compared to el centro in Medellin or bar la 20 in Cali the amount of hotties in Santa Fe surpass them easily.[/QUOTE]In Paisa, Troya and Fiebre many of the girls will go for 60 k if you negotiate. In Atonis, La Casona, Venus, Texas and California 50 k. But what is 10-20 k if you are in love?

Sounds like you had a great time, So many guys coming down now, Bogota will be the new Medellin soon.

One other thing, Colombian men say ¨a como¨ when asking price.

I spent part of Sunday and Monday during the day from 10 am to 5 pm checking many of the places on the Bogota list, some that have popped up after the original creation, and I would suggest avoid doing this. Just go to Santa Fe, there is much greater selection. Nothing to see by visiting these casas. Each casa had a couple of chicas that they could not even pay me to fuck them.

I'm picky but I did find some attractive ladies in Santa Fe.

[QUOTE=Bleble;2390893]Visited today (no cover charge) on Saturday. There were a few thin hot ladies I would do. I was quoted 120 mil for sex but didn't feel like it.

A girl asked for a bottle which I bought for her to drink. I didn't drink any (strangely enough I drank a little while I was in Havana). She has nice and, tits, butt (only imperfection at the braces to fix her teeth). She asked for 40 mil tip. All together I spent about 130 mil for the night at PH. Whatever, it's not a big deal. Strangely enough, I could have fucked her for less than I spent there for a few hours enjoying the show.[/QUOTE]Why are they quoting you so much for sex? I was quoted 60 K when I passed by there, others report 70-80 K.

Thanks for the feedback woodman. I expected that I probably overpaid but it was my first rodeo and we learn as we go.

Another thing is the waiters at the club constantly trying to tip themselves. So knowing the correct price for the drinks is essential and carry small notes.

I did street walk from carrera 15 towards calle 22. And there is a nice chicken BBQ place there where I enjoyed a nice meal. When I returned I had this weird junkie shouting at me and following me until I was at main strip and decided to enter corner club on calle 23-16. There I met this young girl who actually decided that she is my "novia" and we had a good 30 min session.

I really did not see many gringos but I saw several Chinese and one of them was climbing from first floor to second floor at atons and always doing this monkey business. And Atons had beer promotion: 3 Andina for 10 k.

This place is very affordable mongering as it's seems to cater the local men and now as Sosua main strip has been shut down we might see more Americans but in reality I hope they don't come as wherever they go. They spoil the market and place becomes very expensive. Parque Lleras girls are demanding 150 k++ due to these people.

I am returning mid January for few weeks and will try to explore Santa fe more. And of course try to improve my Spanish as it's necessary for good sessions with the girls.

I did visit casas and such in other cities but I usually paid double or triple the price of Santa Fe for same service. But mind you Santa Fe is not for faint-hearted people. Too much poverty, junkies and a lot of questionable young men hanging out around every corner doing nothing. Area is definitely not safe and requires caution but weirdly enough I felt safer at night than daytime.

I actually never figured what time the area becomes active. Anyone can highlight the timings? During my stay there was public holiday and election so my first night which was Sunday was super packed. Also Thursday night was awesome while Wednesday being okay. Monday / Tuesday was very slow with few people in the clubs. There was always street action but clubs seems to vary.

Hi all,

I briefly visited Bogota in Oct for work and was only able to partake in a massage parlor and an escort from Passion Prepagos.

I am returning to Bogota the 1st 2 weeks of Dec, again for work. I am hoping to visit a casa (s), but it seems very hard to find any listed online. I don't trust asking the local cabbies.

I did find one, Adriana why sus golosas, but I would appreciate any input from knowledgeable members.

Added details, I will probably be staying in the Parque 93 area. I am not looking to spend $$ Nothing over 150 k if possible (I'm there on the company dime, but will have limited personal funds). I might try the SF area, but freestyle mongering is not my usual scene. I am a native Spanish speaker and do have street smarts.

Thank you all in advance!

[QUOTE=Bleble;2391561]I spent part of Sunday and Monday during the day from 10 am to 5 pm checking many of the places on the Bogota list, some that have popped up after the original creation, and I would suggest avoid doing this. Just go to Santa Fe, there is much greater selection. Nothing to see by visiting these casas. Each casa had a couple of chicas that they could not even pay me to fuck them.

I'm picky but I did find some attractive ladies in Santa Fe.[/QUOTE]The thing is that Monday was a public holiday, and most of these girls spend sundays and public holidays with their families. Try again during the week specially during the afternoon, 3 to 6 pm. And most probably you will find someone to your liking. Or try the mezzanine in calle 104 carrera 15, north west corner, second floor (mezzanine).

[QUOTE=Avivis;2391255]Hello all,

I saw many reports regarding Santa Fe and Clubs, but is there any information regarding high class reliable escort agency in Bogota?

Looking for an elite girl, whom I willing to pay the price (best if they have fetish escorts / submissive like they have in Germany) or independent ladies GFE which can be trusted.

I speak fairly good Spanish.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Best,

Aviv.[/QUOTE]Check in twitter for "encuentros andrea" at encuentrosa1 they post photos and videos or local girls, allegedly part timers mostly university students, price is around 220.000 COP or 60 USD.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2391759]The thing is that Monday was a public holiday, and most of these girls spend sundays and public holidays with their families. Try again during the week specially during the afternoon, 3 to 6 pm. And most probably you will find someone to your liking. Or try the mezzanine in calle 104 carrera 15, north west corner, second floor (mezzanine).[/QUOTE]Thanks for the explanation. I had no clue (hhaah) about the holiday.

Check Here:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2205-Bogota-Lists[/URL]

[QUOTE=AnonymousDick;2391685]Hi all,

I briefly visited Bogota in Oct for work and was only able to partake in a massage parlor and an escort from Passion Prepagos.

I am returning to Bogota the 1st 2 weeks of Dec, again for work. I am hoping to visit a casa (s), but it seems very hard to find any listed online. I don't trust asking the local cabbies.

I did find one, Adriana why sus golosas, but I would appreciate any input from knowledgeable members.

Added details, I will probably be staying in the Parque 93 area. I am not looking to spend $$ Nothing over 150 k if possible (I'm there on the company dime, but will have limited personal funds). I might try the SF area, but freestyle mongering is not my usual scene. I am a native Spanish speaker and do have street smarts.

Thank you all in advance![/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Avivis;2391255]Hello all,

I saw many reports regarding Santa Fe and Clubs, but is there any information regarding high class reliable escort agency in Bogota?

Looking for an elite girl, whom I willing to pay the price (best if they have fetish escorts / submissive like they have in Germany) or independent ladies GFE which can be trusted.

I speak fairly good Spanish.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Best,

Aviv.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GhostRecon;2385918]There is a "cafe / bar" with table dancers called Sanram in Cedritos on Calle 140 and between Car. 13 and 15.

Does anyone know what kind of business this is? There are pictures of hotties dancing on tables on the building but is it a legit strip club?[/QUOTE]Place has some cute girls, but it is just a table dance, or a rather expensive table dance where you get ripped off. Beer is expensive and alcohol is way too expensive, about 100 USD for a bottle of jonny red label. Most girls will try to make you buy a bottle. Last time I checked there were private dances for about 30 USD.

However in the same strip mall or mini mall there are two massage places, you can identify them because on top of the door (way up, near the top of the two story building) there are smily faces. Prices are around 120.000 for about an hour, and sometimes there are cute girls but there must be something wrong with management because they never last. It is a hit and miss.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2387751]The standard price range for me has always been 0. But I guess there are guys that want to pay extra for pictures the same as there are guys that like to pay extra for BBBJ or anything else. Problem is that once so many guys give out the extra then it catches on like wildfire and chicks start charging extra and paying extra becomes the standard. Thanks for nothing extra guys![/QUOTE]You are right about the extra when it comes to kissing or DATY but for some guys there is something about BBBJ. Most girls in chapinero or mezannines don't do BBBJ but if you are clean, and not so bad looking and you offer 50 they'd think twice or thrice and the extra money comes as a big temptation. In the mezzanines I have had girls who say straight no when asked during negotiatio and even get angry and leave the room, but others once you are inside and see how you look and smell and offer they hesitate. Some say yes, some have self control and put the condom and forget the money. I guess for some guys is about bending the girls mind about BBBJ. Convincing power?

[QUOTE=Frogg;2391655]Why are they quoting you so much for sex? I was quoted 60 K when I passed by there, others report 70-80 K.[/QUOTE]I did pay a girl (University student) from SA way more for dinner through breakfast. It is definitely way way more for standard stuff you can get at casas. I'm not into barebacked sex, so it doesn't seem much different than Santa Fe / casas around chapinero. You just spend way more money (crazy money for Bogota standard). You can fuck 10-20 girls at Santa Fe clubs (50-60 mil pesos per session) for the amount you pay on SA. Crazily enough, some girls even asked more than what I paid. Some asked $400-$800 USD (not pesos) for dinner through breakfast on SA. I just wanted to experience SA in Bogota, so the money isn't a big deal.

My view is that at least I'm supporting a good cause (I. E, money for them to support their studies; not sure if this is a naive view or not).

[QUOTE=RyckII;2391781]Place has some cute girls, but it is just a table dance, or a rather expensive table dance where you get ripped off. Beer is expensive and alcohol is way too expensive, about 100 USD for a bottle of jonny red label. Most girls will try to make you buy a bottle. Last time I checked there were private dances for about 30 USD.

However in the same strip mall or mini mall there are two massage places, you can identify them because on top of the door (way up, near the top of the two story building) there are smily faces. Prices are around 120.000 for about an hour, and sometimes there are cute girls but there must be something wrong with management because they never last. It is a hit and miss.[/QUOTE]I was at atonis (near or next to troya in Santa Fe), and a lap dance is 10 mil pesos. Wow wtf, so cheap. There are some attractive ladies there. My breakfast is 40-50 mil already. So I'm not sure if it is worth it to pay $30 usd for private dance.

[QUOTE=Arcangel;2250441]Nanxing Spa, Cra 24 #53-86, ring bell 201, opposite mall Galerias, 10 chicas, massages 60 min, 90 k with girl in uniform, 120 k in underwear with handjob, 170 k full sex, Mon-sat 8 am-10 pm, sun 10 am-7 pm, [URL]www.nanxingspa.com.co[/URL] at nanxingspa.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. Went there today and they asked for 180 mil. Not a big deal. Found one very attractive natural beauty 20 yo masseuse. Her name is tania. Tall (1.74 m), cute face, thin, she said she does modelling as side job. Was a good experience, still way cheaper than SA. Everything covered, and gave her a tip of 20 mil. Left very satisfied. Would definitely repeat her.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2391426]


Sounds like you had a great time, So many guys coming down now, Bogota will be the new Medellin soon.
.[/QUOTE]Hmmm and that is not a good thing.

[QUOTE=Bleble;2391790]I was at atonis (near or next to troya in Santa Fe), and a lap dance is 10 mil pesos. Wow wtf, so cheap. There are some attractive ladies there. My breakfast is 40-50 mil already. So I'm not sure if it is worth it to pay $30 usd for private dance.[/QUOTE]Is not worth it, off course. That is why I was saying that the place is a rip off. Best thing you can find in the north part of the city are the mezzanines. There are some apartments in the north but they change location and girls all them time due to bad rep in local forums.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2391784]You are right about the extra when it comes to kissing or DATY but for some guys there is something about BBBJ. Most girls in chapinero or mezannines don't do BBBJ but if you are clean, and not so bad looking and you offer 50 they'd think twice or thrice and the extra money comes as a big temptation. In the mezzanines I have had girls who say straight no when asked during negotiatio and even get angry and leave the room, but others once you are inside and see how you look and smell and offer they hesitate. Some say yes, some have self control and put the condom and forget the money. I guess for some guys is about bending the girls mind about BBBJ. Convincing power?[/QUOTE]As a matter of fact I was there last week in one of the mezzanines in the back, the one before the last and I went with Alicia, 19 years old, no kids, very small boobs but had pierced nipples, a nice ass, and a great attitude. She is really a nymphomaniac and enjoys sex very much. I was charged 90 K I think for an hour, once inside everything was included except DATY, she claimed she didn't like how men did it and preferred women. We kissed, touched, licked, she caressed my balls in a very delicate and sexy way and started jerking me off while I fingered her pussy. Then when it was time for the condom I told her, I give you XX more if you do it without it, and she said at first NO then I said ok offer is still up, just think about it and then she looked at my dick all around and asked "are you clean", well off course I am, I said. She was hesitating saying no I don't do this, and I don't want to get sick and I don't know you and whatever but then she said, ok don't tell any other girl if you come with anyone some other time and starting giving me a great BBBJ, balls licking, fast then slow, then spit on it, then some attempt at deep throat. Really nice. Then we fucked and boy was she wet. I stopped to check the condom because those poor quality ones get ripped if you are not careful and she was like "why the fuck did you stop"?

We fucked some more, kissed some more and then I took out the condom and she sucked me some more and I came on her tits. It was nice. If you are into skinny cute girls then she is totally recommended.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2391983] Then when it was time for the condom I told her, I give you XX more if you do it without it, and she said at first NO then I said ok offer is still up, just think about it and then she looked at my dick all around and asked "are you clean", well off course I am, I said. She was hesitating saying no I don't do this, and I don't want to get sick and I don't know you and whatever but then she said, ok don't tell any other girl if you come with anyone some other time and starting giving me a great BBBJ, balls licking, fast then slow, then spit on it, then some attempt at deep throat. Really nice. [/QUOTE]Here are the Spanish phrases to remember:

1. Por favor, puede mamar mi pene sin condom.

2. No tengo infirmidades. (no disease).

3 Or, Yo tuve vasectomia (if you want to risk unprotected sex without condom) Many Mezzanine girls will do bareback for double the regular price.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2391984]Here are the Spanish phrases to remember:

1. Por favor, puede mamar mi pene sin condom.

2. No tengo infirmidades. (no disease).

3 Or, Yo tuve vasectomia (if you want to risk unprotected sex without condom) Many Mezzanine girls will do bareback for double the regular price.[/QUOTE]LOL, that is a good attempt at spanglish, an improved version would be (no offense, just contributing).

1. Me haces oral al natural? (would you do oral sex natural style).

2. Estoy limpio y sano, mirame! (I am clean and healthy, look at me).

3. That one is ok.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2391984]Here are the Spanish phrases to remember:

1. Por favor, puede mamar mi pene sin condom.[/QUOTE]What is up with the por favor and the puede? When you are fucking you actually tell chicks: "Turn over to doggy style please." "Please can you tongue kiss me?" "Please let me cum in your mouth." You guys are some weird fuckers (pun intended) if so. No wonder they make y'all pay extra for shit.

[QUOTE=Bleble;2391790]I was at atonis (near or next to troya in Santa Fe), and a lap dance is 10 mil pesos. Wow wtf, so cheap. There are some attractive ladies there. My breakfast is 40-50 mil already. So I'm not sure if it is worth it to pay $30 usd for private dance.[/QUOTE]40-50 mil COP for breakfast? What are you eating? My expensive breakfast in Colombia, at a place that caters to gringos, costs almost 30 k, but it's enough for 2 people. My typical breakfast is 8-10 k. If I'm being cheap, then 6 k will do just fine.

However, $30 USD for a private dance, in a country where you can fuck for 30 minutes and have dinner for 2, all for under $30, seems a bit much. And I'm guessing it's a no touch dance.

If you're like me, you're a little apprehensive about going bareback. Well, on a recent trip to Kenya, I tried out a new thin condom (new to me at least). It was fantastic. It's the "air thin" line from the company EXS, and only 45 microns thick. The one downside is they only come in standard size. I'm larger, however, I can attest they do stretch without discomfort. The first time I tried one, I stopped screwing this girl twice to check if it had broken because it felt like bareback. This is definitely my new go to. Check them out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2392114]What is up with the por favor and the puede? When you are fucking you actually tell chicks: "Turn over to doggy style please." "Please can you tongue kiss me?" "Please let me cum in your mouth." You guys are some weird fuckers (pun intended) if so. No wonder they make y'all pay extra for shit.[/QUOTE]That why I was saying the sentences are spanglish. Off course you don't say por favor chupame la verga o por favor ponte en cuatro (doggy). You just ask. Volteate (turn over) or "levanta las piernas" (pull your legs up), or "tocate las tetas" (touch your tits) or "hazme el oral sin eso" (do oral sex without it).

Anyone interested in some normal spanish lessons? And not the "mesero una cerveza por favor, bien fria. " LOL.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2392146]40-50 mil COP for breakfast? What are you eating? My expensive breakfast in Colombia, at a place that caters to gringos, costs almost 30 k, but it's enough for 2 people. .[/QUOTE]Breakfast.

Restaurante Club Colombia. Expensive (more than 50 mil).

Castaña (60-70 for two people).

Lunch / dinner (typically 50-70).

La Pinta.

Restaurante Nazca.

Restaurante Daniel.

Of course you can always spend less on food. I'm on vacation and it is within my holiday spending budget. My friends stay in resorts and hotels when they travel, I stay in an Airbnb for a fraction of the cost.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2391981]Is not worth it, off course. That is why I was saying that the place is a rip off. Best thing you can find in the north part of the city are the mezzanines. There are some apartments in the north but they change location and girls all them time due to bad rep in local forums.[/QUOTE]I don't know what is the best time to visit the mezzanine, but I visited at noon and didn't find anything appealing. I visited PH again today (Wednesday), and there were many girls. A few that I would consider fucking, but I just didn't feel like it after walking all over Bogota today. Plus I didn't want to ask for the price after receiving an initial quote of 200 mil a few days ago (which finally dropped to 120 mil). Since it is much higher than the typical # I see on the forum, I didn't want to get ripped off. I know that at the end of the day, it is not a huge difference in USD but I just didn't feel like overpaying.

You know I feel bad for Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk, They can never really hang out in Santa Fe without condemnation.

Anyhow, I went out last night with a couple guys about 11.30 last night. (I usually will not be there past 11 p) Just got back it's 2;30 am.

We checked out the south stroll first, there was a smattering of chicas about 1/6 of usual, definitely could have had fun.

Did a walk through and proceeded to the north stroll, there was some activity maybe a 1/7 of the usual but still some hotties.

We went to Atonis first. Some very hot live young girls to have fun with. I would have happily stayed but the guys wanted to check out everywhere so we moved on to Troya walked in there was 10 girls some hotties for sure. La Casona had about 6-7 girls, was quieter, but still good.

Moving down the club row, we walked into Paisas, many a beautiful girl in there 20+ chicas. My friend had a girl at Fiebre so off we went, Fiebre was really off the hook, tons of girls like 30+.

LOL, there was a raffle for todo la noche con tu favorita tickets for 10 mi, I did not win;.

Hanging in Fiebre was a lot of fin though. We were able to hang in the VIP area get lapdances (20 mil) and observe all the really beautiful girls. Photo attached.

After that we went to the new 24 hour bakery on calle 23 between CR16 and CR16 a for some breakfast. This is my new favorite hang out, good food and fresh fruit juice.

Definitely stop in for the guanabana, lulo, guyava or maracuya juice en agua if you have not tried those fruits before. Colombia is a Country for old men!

A good practice when walking into these bars to look is to tip the waiter who starts following you around wanting you to sit or buy a drink, (I save my 1 mill notes and coins just for this).

I will slip it to the waiter and say estamos bien, queramos ver ahorita¨ the waiter will give me a thumbs up and ease up. This 30 cents will has bought me a lot goodwill. I have many waiter friends in SF.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2392162]That why I was saying the sentences are spanglish.
[/QUOTE]It's not Spanglish since it doesn't contain any English. It's just overly polite and formal for the situation. Your suggestions are good, only I would go with:

1. Haces oral sin condon?

2. No tengo enfermedades.

3. Tuve vasectomia.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2392409]You know I feel bad for Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk, They can never really hang out in Santa Fe without condemnation.

...........[/QUOTE]Men like Zuckerberg and Musk will be very bored in Santa Fe. Hard cash makes them hard.

If anyone wants to hang out, let me know. Waiting on a lady right now and if that blows up, I will head to Abadubai for some relaxation.

YMMV My airbnb host has warned me to stay in my hotel on November 21st, not sure why? Just thought I'd put it out there, maybe he is overly concerned because I stick out like a sore thumb. A big sore thumb. LOL.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2391779]Check Here:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2205-Bogota-Lists[/URL][/QUOTE]Thank you for replying, it's appreciated. I did see the lists prior to posting, however, I don't think I saw any brothels / bordelos listed; just strip clubs, hotels and bars.

Are bordelos / brothels illegal?

Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2340230]My friend Catalina a beautiful natural Venezuelan girl is looking for dates, She is advertising in Craigslist Colombia.[/QUOTE]First, I'd like to say Hi to everyone on the Bogota forum. Complete noobie here. These reports have been entertaining and enlightening. Thanks everyone treasure trove of info here.

Trying to get a paid membership. It is quite a pain. Never thought buying bitcoin could be this tough.

I'm visiting Bogota in the second week of December.

Now to Mr. Woodman09's post No. 7094. This girl looks gorgeous. And I like that she comes with an experienced man's recommendation. Problem is I do not have PM facilities right now. Was wondering if there is anyway I could get this girl's digits. Guessing without PM, I'm out of luck.

I'd greatly appreciate it though.

[QUOTE=AnonymousDick;2392710]Thank you for replying, it's appreciated. I did see the lists prior to posting, however, I don't think I saw any brothels / bordelos listed; just strip clubs, hotels and bars.

Are bordelos / brothels illegal?

Thanks again.[/QUOTE]Bordellos are totally legal. Try the Don Colombia list and map. What you´re looking for is under Casas de Citas

[URL]https://doncolombia.com/mapas/bogota.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2392409]Hanging in Fiebre was a lot of fin though. We were able to hang in the VIP area get lapdances (20 mil) and observe all the really beautiful girls. Photo attached..[/QUOTE]Another awesome report Woodman. Look forward to finally meeting you in a couple of weeks. Can you share the photos of the girls you hung out with at Fiebre? I think you may have forgotten to attach them.

Also, good tip about tipping the waiters.

[QUOTE=Magaman;2392659]YMMV My airbnb host has warned me to stay in my hotel on November 21st, not sure why? Just thought I'd put it out there, maybe he is overly concerned because I stick out like a sore thumb. A big sore thumb. LOL.[/QUOTE]The 21st is supposed to be a national day of protest, that's why. I'm debating staying in myself. Or going the other way and uniting with my friends here with yellow vests on.

If you do go out, look for the people with the yellow vests. They are out there to keep the peace and to fuck up anybody trying to hurt people or damage property during the protests.

Colombian breakfast is different from North American breakfast, by a country mile. For one thing, they almost never have cold cereal, or cold anything.

The only thing in common is the eggs. Often they will have short rib soup, or even beef liver or bull penis soup (caldo de pajarilla and caldo de raíz). Other common options are Changua (a soup made with eggs, milk, bread and cilantro) or a nice tamal with hot chocolate, my personal favorite.

You can get American English or Irish breakfasts here in Bogota but you have to probably go way out of your way and actually pay a premium like 30-50 k just for breakfast.

It's not as bad as some people here crack it up to be, especially if you don't get drunk and go with at least one other person.

10 years ago it was way worse, and I wouldn't have recommended walking around at night at all.

I still wouldn't take my phone out in the middle of the street though.