SubCmdr's UTR's, Non-Pros (NP), and Sugar Babies (SB)

[QUOTE=Frannie;1889542]I would like to know how you calculated this and what nutritional standards you consider to be reasonable.[/QUOTE]In your reply, you jump all over the age spectrum in your estimate of costs and we both know they will differ dramatically depending on the specific age of the child. Since you desire to challenge my statement, I would like to see your age specific list of expenses for raising a child in the Dominican Republic at Dominican standards in pesos. Pick any age you would like. Give me your specific examples of how much it costs to feed your child or the child of someone you intimately know. Feel free to do this by PM if you don't want to reveal this private information in a public forum.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1889542]How about health insurance and the cost of medications? A bottle of pediatric Augmentin is how much? I think about 400 pesos. A bottle of cough medicine? A copayment at the pediatrician office? And then there is the cost of childrens clothing, school uniforms, shoes, back-to-school supplies, and so on. Transportation to school in a guagua will run about 2000 pesos a month and not much cheaper using motoconchos. And then women may have to pay caregivers to mind the children while they work if they don't have mothers doing this.[/QUOTE]You have a valid point. You have pointed out that there are additional costs of raising a child (age unspecified) here in the Dominican Republic. But my post did not address those issues. I specifically addressed the costs of feeding a child. Here is what I wrote:

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1889303]1000 pesos a month will feed one kid. That's right! I said 1000 pesos feeds one kid for a month. And you paying the chicas 1000 to 1500 pesos a fuck? You are helping feed her kids? Only if you are her first fuck of the month? Nah man, more likely you be paying for the iPhone / Samsung Galaxy, hair and nails prepared in the salon, clothes, shoes, visits to the gym and the boyfriend who knows or doesn't know how she is really making her money. Trying to maintain their dignity my ass! They are there because they made a choice. It's easy money for them. That's my opinion. You don't have to like it. This is a user blog.

It is well documented that only about 20% of all women in the Dominican Republic are involved in prostitution. How do the other 80% of women survive since they are not interested in being paid to take your dick? May we have the envelope please?

They put in work! They put in work someplace other than on their backs or on their knees.

Just saying![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1889764]In your reply, you jump all over the age spectrum in your estimate of costs and we both know they will differ dramatically depending on the specific age of the child. Since you desire to challenge my statement, I would like to see your age specific list of expenses for raising a child in the Dominican Republic at Dominican standards in pesos. Pick any age you would like. Give me your specific examples of how much it costs to feed your child or the child of someone you intimately know. Feel free to do this by PM if you don't want to reveal this private information in a public forum.

You have a valid point. You have pointed out that there are additional costs of raising a child (age unspecified) here in the Dominican Republic. But my post did not address those issues. I specifically addressed the costs of feeding a child. Here is what I wrote:[/QUOTE]When you are buying food for a family, it is almost impossible to quantify the exact amount of food bought for a single child at any specific age point, but you have claimed that a child can be fed for less than a dollar a day. I know of a child whose mother was paying around 2000 pesos per month for school lunches, so that is about 100 pesos per school day, so already double the amount that you state is the norm in the DR. The exact amount varied depending on exactly what she ate. It was no cheaper to pack lunches or snacks for the child to take to school.

But a small ice cream cone is about 30 pesos, a quart carton of milk is about 42 pesos, a small bottle of cold water is 10 pesos, a can of beans is 40 pesos, so how can you feed a child on about 33 pesos a day, which is what you say?

Since you have this certain knowledge that it only costs 1000 pesos per month to feed a child in the DR, I am sure there are lots of readers and lost of families who would like to know how this is done. If you can feed a child on 75 cents a day in the DR, you can probably do it on 50 cents per day in the US.

I realize you said this is just for food, and does not include other expenses of raising children, but I think that when girls say they need money to feed their children, they are just simplifying the whole story a bit to avoid going into details. If the chica's mother is taking care of the children, the chica is probably sending her money out of which the grandmother will also feed herself, buy [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url], milk formula, and other things the child needs. When a chica says she needs money for food for her children, that is not a promise to spend any funds received on absolutely nothing but nutrition for the child (ren).

Anyway, you have made this claim that a child in the DR can be fed on 1000 pesos a month, which is less than a dollar a day. Now please explain what this will buy for the child, so that we know you are not just bullshitting. You are the person on the ground who has this superior knowledge that we do not have. I, on the other hand have lived in the DR for more than 2 years (though I am not there now) and fed two children at various ages and do not see how one could feed a child on 1000 pesos per month even if you eliminated all luxuries and treats and minimized portions of proteins like chicken, fish, and eggs and fed the child mainly on rice and beans.

Share your knowledge with us, if you have any.

You missed the entire point of my post. Women do not need to be prostitutes to feed their children. If you wish to debate this issue with me then address the fact that it is estimated only 20% of women are prostitutes in the Dominican Republic, but 80% of the children in the Dominican Republic are not starving. Do any of you care to share your knowledge on this issue? Do you have any to share? Here is my knowledge on the issue: I've taken my #2 to the store and she has spent 5,500 pesos on just food (acknowledging that it takes a village of critics to raise a child) for herself, two children, her sister and her child (to share) and the Aunt who lives with her. She has told me the food would last a month. Three adults and three children: 916.67 (rounded to the second digit) per human being.

Pick any reasonable number you wish. I'll stipulate to it. Then put your money where your mouth is and hand it to me. I will take the money you hand to me and I will give it to a regular woman and ask her if she can feed her kid with it for a month. I bet she will be able too. In reality, the individual that has made the challenge in my user blog is not using his pesos in Dominican Republic to directly buy food for a child or children. That individual is just talking about it. I am and I have. When I was at the store with my #2 the money came out of my pocket. I loaded the food into my rather large "gas guzzling" vehicle that uses diesel fuel. I drove from the store that was further than two blocks from my house. And all of this required that I leave my apartment. But when I don't you can be certain I'm enjoying my ocean view with or without company.

I'm kicking street knowledge straight in your eyeholes motherfuckers. Open them up! My point remains that prostitutes make a choice. A choice the majority of women on this island do not make. If the parties involved feel like they are doing social work instead of doing business when they are together. I'm fine with that. But don't tell me they need to do it for their children.

Just saying!

There are a lot of prostitutes in the DR. You say it is estimated that 20% of women there are prostitutes. Where does that figure come from? I think it's way way way too high. 1 in 5 women are not prostitutes.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1890283]You missed the entire point of my post. Women do not need to be prostitutes to feed their children. If you wish to debate this issue with me then address the fact that it is estimated only 20% of women are prostitutes in the Dominican Republic, but 80% of the children in the Dominican Republic are not starving. Do any of you care to share your knowledge on this issue? Do you have any to share? Here is my knowledge on the issue: I've taken my #2 to the store and she has spent 5,500 pesos on just food (acknowledging that it takes a village of critics to raise a child) for herself, two children, her sister and her child (to share) and the Aunt who lives with her. She has told me the food would last a month. Three adults and three children: 916.67 (rounded to the second digit) per human being.

Pick any reasonable number you wish. I'll stipulate to it. Then put your money where your mouth is and hand it to me. I will take the money you hand to me and I will give it to a regular woman and ask her if she can feed her kid with it for a month. I bet she will be able too. In reality, the individual that has made the challenge in my user blog is not using his pesos in Dominican Republic to directly buy food for a child or children. That individual is just talking about it. I am and I have. When I was at the store with my #2 the money came out of my pocket. I loaded the food into my rather large "gas guzzling" vehicle that uses diesel fuel. I drove from the store that was further than two blocks from my house. And all of this required that I leave my apartment. But when I don't you can be certain I'm enjoying my ocean view with or without company.

I'm kicking street knowledge straight in your eyeholes motherfuckers. Open them up! My point remains that prostitutes make a choice. A choice the majority of women on this island do not make. If the parties involved feel like they are doing social work instead of doing business when they are together. I'm fine with that. But don't tell me they need to do it for their children.

Just saying![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1890283]You missed the entire point of my post. Women do not need to be prostitutes to feed their children. If you wish to debate this issue with me then address the fact that it is estimated only 20% of women are prostitutes in the Dominican Republic, but 80% of the children in the Dominican Republic are not starving. Do any of you care to share your knowledge on this issue? Do you have any to share? Here is my knowledge on the issue: I've taken my #2 to the store and she has spent 5,500 pesos on just food (acknowledging that it takes a village of critics to raise a child) for herself, two children, her sister and her child (to share) and the Aunt who lives with her. She has told me the food would last a month. Three adults and three children: 916.67 (rounded to the second digit) per human being.

Pick any reasonable number you wish. I'll stipulate to it. Then put your money where your mouth is and hand it to me. I will take the money you hand to me and I will give it to a regular woman and ask her if she can feed her kid with it for a month. I bet she will be able too. In reality, the individual that has made the challenge in my user blog is not using his pesos in Dominican Republic to directly buy food for a child or children. That individual is just talking about it. I am and I have. When I was at the store with my #2 the money came out of my pocket. I loaded the food into my rather large "gas guzzling" vehicle that uses diesel fuel. I drove from the store that was further than two blocks from my house. And all of this required that I leave my apartment. But when I don't you can be certain I'm enjoying my ocean view with or without company.

I'm kicking street knowledge straight in your eyeholes motherfuckers. Open them up! My point remains that prostitutes make a choice. A choice the majority of women on this island do not make. If the parties involved feel like they are doing social work instead of doing business when they are together. I'm fine with that. But don't tell me they need to do it for their children.

Just saying![/QUOTE]The food might last a month or more if it is rice, dried foods, or canned stuff, but that is not the same as saying that they would not need to buy any more food for a month. Fresh meats, fruits, vegetables, milk, bread will not last that long and most Dominicans don't have freezers and the electricity supply is somewhat unreliable, so people don't stock up on perishables.

My Peruvian cleaning lady in Spain used say that the working girls are too lazy to trapear I. E. Cleaning other people's shit. She worked hard, six days a week and made a decent living. I doubt if she actually knew anyone selling ass, but I still agree with her to some degree. My experiences may not be valid in DR, but might be, as well.

I don't know any other group of people that love money and buying things with that money, like these girls, except their families. Of course there are the Wall Street brokers or other groups of people, but I don't know them, so I don't talk about them. There are families that don't know anything, what these girls are doing or how much they earn, but there are also many families that close their eyes and refuse to think about it, when they receive a lot of money, which cannot be earned cleaning hotel rooms or waiting tables.

I have known many girls that have had hard times in some moment of their lives and have started selling tail to get over it, but when they get used to having money they don't want to start cleaning other people's houses anymore. Too much work for so little money. They want the house. They send the down payment for the house back to their families. The families make the down payment, but not all the money received goes to the house, because they needed a television. The two children of the girl are so much trouble that they need to hire somebody to take care of them. The children need new school uniforms. Not just two new school uniforms, but three, because the cousin's daughter also needs a new uniform and the girl in Spain makes a LOT of money cleaning hotel rooms. The children of the girl are miserable because their mother is far away, so she buys them 2 four wheelers. One is not enough and it is actually the girl's brother who wants the four wheelers, because the daughters are still 8 and 9 and cannot drive them. And if she doesn't send the family more money, they complain and threaten to sell the house.

The girls sacrifice a lot to get all that money to buy things to their families and to themselves. They want the latest iPhone and the Louis Vuitton wallet to show their colleagues and they want the most expensive suitcase, just in case someday they can afford to travel for holidays back home. It's not cheap, because there are so many family members that need to be bought a present.

I am not moralizing anybody, how could I? I am happy when somebody wants my money when I want her body to rent. I am not saying I don't like money, but there are so many things in my life, and I suppose in your lives too, that are more important than money (when you reach a certain level of financial security). Maybe most of the girls in RD have started the business to get Pampers and milk to their fatherless children, but partying, drinking Presidentes every night, iPhones and fast money becomes a way of life very easily and it is difficult go back to normal life.

[QUOTE=Nordico;1890699]My Peruvian cleaning lady in Spain used say that the working girls are too lazy to trapear I. E. Cleaning other people's shit. She worked hard, six days a week and made a decent living. I doubt if she actually knew anyone selling ass, but I still agree with her to some degree. My experiences may not be valid in DR, but might be, as well.

I don't know any other group of people that love money and buying things with that money, like these girls, except their families. Of course there are the Wall Street brokers or other groups of people, but I don't know them, so I don't talk about them. There are families that don't know anything, what these girls are doing or how much they earn, but there are also many families that close their eyes and refuse to think about it, when they receive a lot of money, which cannot be earned cleaning hotel rooms or waiting tables.

I have known many girls that have had hard times in some moment of their lives and have started selling tail to get over it, but when they get used to having money they don't want to start cleaning other people's houses anymore. Too much work for so little money. They want the house. They send the down payment for the house back to their families. The families make the down payment, but not all the money received goes to the house, because they needed a television. The two children of the girl are so much trouble that they need to hire somebody to take care of them. The children need new school uniforms. Not just two new school uniforms, but three, because the cousin's daughter also needs a new uniform and the girl in Spain makes a LOT of money cleaning hotel rooms. The children of the girl are miserable because their mother is far away, so she buys them 2 four wheelers. One is not enough and it is actually the girl's brother who wants the four wheelers, because the daughters are still 8 and 9 and cannot drive them. And if she doesn't send the family more money, they complain and threaten to sell the house.

The girls sacrifice a lot to get all that money to buy things to their families and to themselves. They want the latest iPhone and the Louis Vuitton wallet to show their colleagues and they want the most expensive suitcase, just in case someday they can afford to travel for holidays back home. It's not cheap, because there are so many family members that need to be bought a present.

I am not moralizing anybody, how could I? I am happy when somebody wants my money when I want her body to rent. I am not saying I don't like money, but there are so many things in my life, and I suppose in your lives too, that are more important than money (when you reach a certain level of financial security). Maybe most of the girls in RD have started the business to get Pampers and milk to their fatherless children, but partying, drinking Presidentes every night, iPhones and fast money becomes a way of life very easily and it is difficult go back to normal life.[/QUOTE]Yes, you do see a variety of situations. For some, its temporary. For some, single mothers with 3-4 kids, its the only way for a single income to make it. Some get "addicted" to the relatively easy money, earning a month's pay in a few days.

I once met a Dominican woman working in a bordello in Germany. Like many of them, she contracted with an agency to work for a time in Europe. She was not a young kid. She was married, with children. Her objective was to earn enough money to buy a business back home.

In a country with such a low pay scale, money is spent as soon as it is earned. Anyone with ambitions for more and needs to accumulate money in less than a lifetime, has to work in the sex industry or get involved with the drug trade. Honest jobs there barely cover living expenses. A dentist in Puerto Plata for example (a medical professional) earns about 600 US a month. Compare that with most, who barely have a high school education.

You presented me with a challenge to provide a specific example. But your rebuttal to my specific example is based on generalities. I was not talking about most Dominicans. I was talking about one particular woman who lives in the Dominican Republic that is not using prostitution to feed her kids.

You are going to tell me what she does or does not know about her household? Not possible. Do you know what she purchased? No you do not. Were you with us? No you were not. Have you been in her home when she serves her meals? No, you have not. I can answer of the questions that I proposed in the affirmative.

How much more food does she need to buy? How do you know she does not have a freezer? Yes, the electrical supply is not reliable, but what does that have to do with the choices she made when she purchased food during my trip with her? Exactly what is your point anyway? When the electricity goes off food stays cold in both the refrigerator and the freezer unless it is off for an extended period of time. If we are talking about the possibility of food spoilage then you are talking days. Even in the Dominican Republic unless you are talking about a natural disaster of some type the electricity is not off for days at a time. And she is a smart woman (she hangs out with me after all). I'm certain she would make an effort to prepare the food before it got to that point.

What should be done, what can be done and what has to be done are often three completely different situations. Critics talk about what should be done. Men in the arena do what has to be done. The woman in my example is not using prostitution to feed her kids. Mr. GoGo and the others can criticize my personality and lifestyle choices in Sosua Reports all they want. You can debate with me about the specific amount actually needed to feed a child in the Dominican Republic until your fingers get tired of typing. None of that will ever change my opinion that women in the Dominican Republic do not need to be prostitutes to feed their children. They have made a choice.

My thoughts are your friend Mr. GoGo has it right: "you are just talking out of your ass as usual". And if you wish to continue to do what he says you do: "Frannie keeps exposing him as a fool and he still hasn't caught on", well then you are going to have you are going to have to come stronger to the basket than that. Because I have rejected your shot into the stands and the crowd has gone wild!

[QUOTE=Frannie;1890672]The food might last a month or more if it is rice, dried foods, or canned stuff, but that is not the same as saying that they would not need to buy any more food for a month. Fresh meats, fruits, vegetables, milk, bread will not last that long and most Dominicans don't have freezers and the electricity supply is somewhat unreliable, so people don't stock up on perishables.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JJ341;1890670]There are a lot of prostitutes in the DR. You say it is estimated that 20% of women there are prostitutes. Where does that figure come from? I think it's way way way too high. 1 in 5 women are not prostitutes.[/QUOTE]Mr. JJ341,

You may be right!

Here are the numbers I was able to source from my internet research. Percentage of Population that are women: 49.8. Using this number to estimate the number of women in Sosua: 24,682. Number of women in Sosua working as prostitutes: 1000. Percentage of women working as prostitutes in Sosua: 4%. It is impossible to project even this number into the general female population of the island. But as a amateur sociologist, I can make the following statement with complete confidence: "Mr. E's posts in the General Information section present anecdotal evidence that females under report themselves as prostitutes". ROTFLMAO!

Could you let Frannie know that the lower we push the estimated number of prostitutes in the Dominican Republic, the stronger my argument becomes that a woman does not need to be a prostitute to feed her children? He can pick any number he likes when it comes to the cost of raising a child. Because if poverty was the sole reason women enter prostitution in the Dominican Republic we would expect that number to be around 35 - 40%. That would be in line with the percentage of women living in poverty in the Dominican Republic. Or we could take the female rate of unemployment in the Dominican Republic: 23.4%. Trying to make the argument based purely on economics shows that someone is out of touch. Others have outlined qualitative factors unrelated children's economic well being that have lead women into or keep women in prostitution. Mr. GoGo has indicated that I am the one out of touch. I'll leave it to the reader to figure it out.

Sources:

[URL]http://countrymeters.info/en/Dominican_Republic[/URL]

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nican_Republic[/URL]

[URL]http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/loc...Sosuas-tourism[/URL]

[URL]http://data.worldbank.org/country/dominican-republic[/URL]

[URL]https://www.quandl.com/collections/dominican-republic/dominican-republic-unemployment[/URL]

Sister of my number one is pregnant. Lives in the country. Has a problem with her baby. Pregnancy has encountered a problem. Water breaks. Baby does not come. Baby has stopped moving. Bad scene. Her sister is not satisfied with the medical advice or care she is receiving in the country. So she comes into the city and arrives where my #1 stays.

Together they seek out medical care for the baby. Recommendation is a cesarean section. The surgical procedure is expensive for her. So using public transportation and on foot they seek out prices from three other clinics. They find a quality clinic with recommendations my #1 is satisfied with. Her sister does not have insurance. The public hospital system is not trying to help her because she is has a pregnancy with complications. Her sister needs money. Her spouse deposits the money in my #1's account and it's off to the bank to collect the money. This has taken up the entire day. They are back in my #1's place and her sister is resting. It's after 8 PM and her sister is insisting that she keeps her commitment go visit me. But my #1 insists on taking a taxi instead of me picking her up in my rather large, expensive "gas guzzling" vehicle.

Now, I've been putting diesel fuel in it since I bought it. I explained that to Mr. GoGo while I drove through a rainstorm that was really hampering visibility on our trip to Boca Chica. Good thing he was riding shotgun on that trip. Hwy 3 runs right past Boca Chica and the Villa Capri. Since I had never left my apartment before we went on our trip, I'm certain I wouldn't have found Boca Chica without his help. LOL! My vehicle allows me to forge shallow rivers formed after heavy rains due to the poor water management infrastructure that creates water hazards on the roads. This often leaves people pushing their cars out of the standing water. My vehicle also handles the rough and ready road conditions that you find in the poorly maintained parts of the city where I roam. Leaky apartment in my barrio on the ocean is where I stay. Talking out my ass again Mr. GoGo? Nah! Got pictures and videos (in focus) to prove it. Wait! I don't need those. You have been in my apartment. You have seen the view. I have explained exactly why and when my apartment leaks and you know it's not "every time it rains". Expensive? Well that depends on your budget. Only used to drive two blocks? My odometer is rolling. Excessive? It wasn't for me. It's worth every peso I paid for it. But I diverge.

After she arrives, she insists on cooking even after I offer to take her out, because she knows my money is low. You know what they say "A fool and his money is soon parted". She cooks a great meal of rice, chicken with a homemade sauce and a salad. All the while acting like a mobile command post for her family who are blowing up her phone and mine in great anticipation of operation "Baby arrival".

We are off to the bedroom where she puts in a "Pyramid scheme" like performance. We are sleeping hard. But when morning arrives, I'm still up early. She sleeps in late. But her phone is blowing up. I wake her up and she learns the baby is here and she's an Aunt once again. She insists on cleaning my ocean view apartment, scrubbing every tile in both of my bathrooms (that have views of downtown Santo Domingo when you are taking your shower), sweeping and mopping the balcony, doing her laundry, and making enough chinola juice to last me a week. She makes lunch for us both and prepares meat for me to cook for myself later that night because she will be spending the night in the clinic with her sister. But everyone receives this sort of treatment from their girls right? It's just that I happen to be one of those suckers who have to overpay because I'm a permanent Sugar Daddy. LOL! After all that we are off to the clinic, in my rather roomy, expensive, "gas guzzling" diesel powered vehicle. We enter the room and it's filled with baby love. I'm shaking hands, kissing and holding the baby. She is really small. I'm speaking my bad Spanish and being misunderstood by everyone. LOL! But I'm having a great time.

My #1 spends the night with her sister helping her take care of the baby. During the next day there is a long procession of family members and friends from the city and county to the clinic to visit her sister and her new baby. They bring meats, fruits and vegetables. The fruits and vegetables they bring from the country of are of higher quality than anything I can consistently buy in my beloved city of Santo Domingo Este. In the afternoon she heads back over to her house, takes a shower and rests for a few hours. She goes back to the clinic. In the evening she hits me in whatsapp to tell me she would like a medium pizza from Papa Johns when I come to visit her sister and her new baby in the clinic. Thirty minutes later she texts and tells me not to buy the pizza.

She needs money tomorrow for her medical school registration. Her sister had some expenses she needed to pay for and she used the last of her money she earned last month from work helping her sister. She would rather for me to help her pay for her medical school registration instead of buying her a pizza because she knows my money is low right now. Here we have another example of the "qualitative difference" that I personally seek out. After I arrive, she has six plantains from the country for me. I've seen plantains sold on the street ranging from five pesos with a price ranging all the way up to 16 pesos in the store. The plantains she gave me are of excellent quality. They were similar to ones I that I purchased on the side of the highway when I returned from Barahona. (Yes, I said Barahona. It's further than two blocks from my house. No, I can't explain it. I guess you just have to ask Mr. GoGo. He made the statement). I can use two to prepare mangu for me. Mangu is one of my favorite Dominican dishes. Add some meat and a vegetable and you have a rather inexpensive meal now don't you?

We are all hungry so everyone wants Pica Pollo. We head down the street from the clinic, which happens to be in the barrio my #1 grew up in. I want some Chow Fan. So my girl orders me some Chow Fan, 5 pieces of chicken and French fries. My cost: 250 pesos. I eat my chow fan in the restaurant along with a piece of chicken. She has a piece of chicken and some fries. After that, we return to the clinic and she smuggles the Pica Pollo into the clinic. Where her cousin, sister and one other visitor share the three pieces of chicken and fries that are left. And while they are doing that they are expressing concern that I bought the food but I am not eating. My number #1 explains that I ate in the restaurant and I also let them know I am fine. When they are done it looks piranhas have been in that to go box. There is nothing but bones left.

When you motherfuckers residing in the private club of the Sosua Reports Forum are done being critics and are instead interested in educating yourself on the realities of real women instead of remaining in your fantasy world with prostitutes; after you are done debating the actual number of pesos it takes to raise a child living here; I suggest you head on over to Youtube and search for the video "Lamado A La Patria".

This video was shot in the barrio where my #1 spends most of her time when she is not working, going to medical school, studying with her classmates or taking care of family and friends. It is the barrio of her Aunt. Look at those images motherfuckers! Better yet, listen to what they are saying. The images and lyrics of this video represent a most inconvenient truth to the Sexual Tourists and critics. These are the images I see weekly in person. After viewing them you tell me the children in that video are having 3000 pesos or more spent on them each month or receiving 2000 pesos a month for school lunches alone. I'm out of touch with reality? Hardly!

The children you see in that video are not the children of prostitutes earning 1500 2000 pesos a fuck. That was the actual point of my original post that was reposted from my user blog to the main forum of the Sousa Reports section. Where is Tomjackin when you need him? My point remains that prostitutes in the Dominican Republic make a choice. A choice the majority of women on this island do not make. If the parties involved feel like they are doing social work instead of doing business when they are together. I'm fine with that. I am not making a moral judgement against either party. But don't tell me they need to do it for their children.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1891193]
Could you let Frannie know that the lower we push the estimated number of prostitutes in the Dominican Republic, the stronger my argument becomes that a woman does not need to be a prostitute to feed her children? He can pick any number he likes when it comes to the cost of raising a child. Because if poverty was the sole reason women enter prostitution in the Dominican Republic we would expect that number to be around 35 - 40%. [/QUOTE]Your whole concept is way off beam. We are not just talking about all Dominican women, but about (mostly) single mothers who do not have college educations. Now in the US only a very small number of such women prostitute themselves, but on the other hand they can usually earn at least $10 per hour in unskilled jobs, and they have access to food stamps (SNAP), subsidized or capped rentals via HUD, Medicaid, CHIP free school breakfasts and lunches, free schools, free school buses, Social Security disability (in some cases), and some other programs. She can probably also earn $40 for 2 hours work off the books cleaning someone's house. Now what is the Dominican equivalent to food stamps? Are groceries and formulas cheaper in the DR than in the US? How much can she earn for cleaning someone's house in the DR?

Here is an example. I know a pleasant young Haitian woman (attractive). She lives with her family in Montellano. She is a legal resident of the DR. She is married, but her husband is in Haiti. She is not a hooker. She is hard working and intelligent and honest and likes to go to school and do courses. I have known her for about 5 years. She worked for me for about 2 years. She got 5000 pesos from me every 2 weeks, plus transportation fare, plus free meals on the job.

After I left the DR she was left jobless. She now has a new job working 6 days a week in a clothing store in Sosua as a sales assistant. After she pays 100 pesos a day for transportation to and from Montellano plus pays for her daily lunches she has 1500 pesos per two weeks left over for herself (and to feed a child, but she doesn't have a child) or to give to her mother.

So that is just an example of the economics of life for a young women in unskilled work. Now give me your example of someone you know and how much they earn, how much it costs them to get to work, and so on.

The other point I take issue with you on is the question of how often women accept money for sex. You are kind of assuming that women will have several clients per day for most of the days in the month, , make a lot of money, and spend most of it on luxuries, but while that might be the case for some hard core pros fpr a limited time in their short careers, I don't believe it is the case with the majority of part timers who just get a paying client or boyfriend when they can, or when they really need extra cash to pay bills or something.

Incidentally another Haitian woman who also worked for me who was older, uglier, fatter, and stupider, is currently living in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. When I asked how she got over there, of course the answer was that she had a boyfriend who took her. So yes, Dominican and Haitian chicas are ingenious and find ways to travel all over the world, but it is rarely without financial help from someone else.

In my user blog, I've already provided three examples of women living in the DR without being prostitutes. Two of my examples have children. Now you have provided the fourth. All of the examples provided between the two of us are anecdotal and therefore cannot be projected through any population of women living here (single mothers, uneducated, unskilled or otherwise). Do you have some academic research to show me that indicates a woman needs to be a prostitute to feed her children or survive in the Dominican Republic? No, you don't. Because if you did you would have quoted it by now.

My point is and will remain that a woman does not need to be a prostitute to feed her children or survive in the Dominican Republic.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1891548]Here is an example. I know a pleasant young Haitian woman (attractive). She lives with her family in Montellano. She is a legal resident of the DR. She is married, but her husband is in Haiti. She is not a hooker. She got 5000 pesos from me every 2 weeks, plus transportation fare, plus free meals on the job. She now has a new job working 6 days a week in a clothing store in Sosua as a sales assistant. After she pays 100 pesos a day for transportation to and from Montellano plus pays for her daily lunches she has 1500 pesos per two weeks left over for herself (and to feed a child, but she doesn't have a child) or to give to her mother.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1891602]My point is and will remain that a woman does not need to be a prostitute to feed her children or survive in the Dominican Republic.[/QUOTE]Agreed. She just needs to find herself a big boss sexpat, preferably one with an SUV that can ford streams and rivers, to pay her a monthly stipend and for her medical school registration, in exchange for sexual favors and janitorial service on an ocean view apartment that may or may not leak during rain. Because this sugar baby / sugar daddy relationship is definitely NOT prostitution.

Of course I do!

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1891872]Because this sugar baby / sugar daddy relationship is definitely NOT prostitution.[/QUOTE]Mr. Parkinsons, Let me kick a little knowledge into your eye holes.

Prostitution: the business or practice of engaging in sexual relations in exchange for payment or some other benefit.

Sugar Baby: A female or male who is financially pampered / cared for by a sugar daddy or sugar mama in exchange for companionship (I. E. Sexual favors).

Here is some additional information for you:

"In light of recent events, we thought it might be time for a refresher course in the definitions of Sugar. Many are quick to label the Sugar lifestyle choice as prostitution, but there are many differences between this lifestyle and the oldest profession. High-end or not, a call girl is not an interchangeable word for a Sugar Baby. Here are four reasons why.

1. A Relationship vs A Transaction.

A prostitute and a client have a transaction relationship. They meet, exchange funds, and participate in some sort of physical act and part ways. Typically, this is a one time occurrence. A job. There is no relationship, and no possibility for a relationship. And that is the key difference really: Relationship. Sugar Babies and Sugar Daddies have on-going relationships, not transactions. More often than not, a Sugar relationship will resemble that of a girlfriend-boyfriend relationship. There are real connections and real possibilities at romance, something that is not in the realm of possibility with an escort or prostitute. Just because a relationship doesn't follow the traditional rules of courtship, doesn't mean it isn't valid. It also doesn't mean it's illegal.

2. Being a Sugar Baby vs being a Prostitute.

Sugar is a lifestyle choice, not a profession. A sugar baby is a woman who wants to date financially secure men who can provide her with the lifestyle she desires. She's selective about who she dates; a prostitute isn't picky about who she takes on as a client. The risks involved with prostitution are countless, and include exposure to crime, abuse, sexually transmitted diseases and theft of service. Many prostitutes are also subject to physical and emotional abuse, especially when involved with a pimp. And in Sugar, sex is never a requirement, only an aspiration.

3. Dating a Sugar Baby vs ordering a prostitute.

A Sugar Daddy is generous, and wants to see their partner succeed. When two people are involved in a mutually beneficial relationship, they respect and value one another's time. Sugar relationships can turn into long term serious relationships. Prostitutes are paid to perform a service, while Sugar Babies sometimes receive funds as an added benefit of dating a generous man. A john doesn't want a hooker to stick around, and a Sugar Daddy doesn't want his Sugar Baby to leave. While an escort might have a sordid sexual history, a Sugar relationship is often monogamous.

4. Quality vs Quantity.

Most Sugar Babies aren't solely involved in the sugar world. Sugar Babies are also teachers, college students, actresses, and business professionals. They seek successful mentors that can advance their career, not a temporary fix. Sugar Babies can be present in the lives of Sugar Daddies because they have long-term professional goals, and interesting personalities to keep everyone intrigued. Prostitutes on the other hand, use their trade as a source of income it's a last resort for many women who are pressed for money. They aren't looking for mentors or anyone with a specific level of expertise. You may meet hundreds of prostitutes before finding anyone to fulfill your emotional needs. Prostitutes are hired to role play for the evening they'll be whomever you want them to be, but they won't necessarily be themselves. She treats you like a job, not like a man".

Source: [URL]http://blog.seekingarrangement.com/2014/07/14/four-differences-between-sugar-prostitution/[/URL].

Now, If you have read what I have written before then you know I don't agree. In case you haven't seen my previous work:

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1885441]You pretty much hit this nail right on the head. To say it's something else is simply self-rationalization. We know the ability of individuals to self rationalize is infinite. I think you are dealing with the difference of what society approves as opposed as what is legal. Anecdotal evidence has been presented on this board that prostitution is legal in the Dominican Republic but it is not approved. And it's unlikely to ever be approved outside of the circles that engage in it.

Chicks exchange sex for money, goods and services all the time for a ST, TLN, week, month, year, or lifetime. Societal approval is provided for the length of time and type of relationship. Prostitution is legally allowed within societies where it tends to facilitate and assist the society. And it is suppressed in societies where it perceived to be disruptive to society.

It is not surprising to me that chicks do not want to admit in engaging in an activity not approved within their society. But you are dead on with your definition.[/QUOTE]What you fail to understand is that this is the thread UTR's, Non-Pros (NP) and Sugar Babies (SB). Read through all of my posts and tell me where I have said the Sugar Baby / Sugar Daddy relationship is not prostitution. My contention has always been that I have found there is a "qualitative difference" between prostitutes working the streets of Sosua and Boca Chica and UTR's, Non-Pros (NP) and Sugar Babies (SB) I have encountered throughout the Dominican Republic.

Now from your previous responses to my posts I see that you like to debate and be critical. Go ahead and do that my man. You can debate what prostitution is until your fingers get tired of hitting the keyboard. I'm not interested in that. If you desire to engage in an intellectual discussion of definition of prostitution, knock yourself the fuck out. I prefer to leave such things as an exercise for the reader. Be a man in the arena! Don't be a critic, because then you don't count.

Let Mr. GoGo levitate. Let Mr. Frannie pontificate. Both can notate, meditate ruminate, debate, orate and evaluate all the different reasons they have to berate. Unfortunately for them it amounts to nothing more than a mental attempt to masturbate, self-fellate and placate. That's what critics do. Why concentrate on the critics as they corroborate to misevaluate? As far as I'm concerned they can fornicate or defecate. It makes no difference to me. I prefer to disseminate knowledge that educates. So that others can imitate and operate in a way that creates a life that is far from boilerplate.

A little word play for you motherfuckers, because things were getting a little too serious up in here. LOL!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1891996] Let Mr. GoGo levitate. Let Mr. Frannie pontificate. Both can notate, meditate ruminate, debate, orate and evaluate all the different reasons they have to berate. Unfortunately for them it amounts to nothing more than a mental attempt to masturbate, self-fellate and placate. That's what critics do. Why concentrate on the critics as they corroborate to misevaluate? As far as I'm concerned they can fornicate or defecate. It makes no difference to me. I prefer to disseminate knowledge that educates.[/QUOTE]I love this! Are you sure you were not a student of Prof. Henry Higgins in your last incarnation, I mean, in GBS's mind, that is?