Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2239801]Colombia is not a westernized country.[/QUOTE]You are confusing USA with the western world, or even the developed world. Not the same thing at all. I love Colombia because it is a western country (I. E. European heritage) that is not americanized.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2239801]The more money you give or spend in the developed world, you are respected and treated as such. [/QUOTE]This is true in USA, Dominican Republic, Haiti and such countries.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2239801]The more money you give and spend in Colombia, the more naive and weaker Colombians think you are. [/QUOTE]This is true in Colombia as in many developed and / or western countries.

Trust you, that is.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2261915]Trust me, you're the only one who understands what "simulated GFE" is. GFE is a simulated experience by definition. So why add a second "simulated" when everyone already knows it's simulated? So when you say "simulated GFE", you are actually saying, simulated simulated GFE. Which makes no sense whatsoever.[/QUOTE]I might trust you some if you were providing anything beneficial here, but it appears you're just here to be argumentative. I suppose it's a side effect of slamming clams. You should stay away from the geoducks. They stretch you out and leave you grumpy.

If you have ever stayed at the Mansion, you might understand simulated GFE. Probably not, but I'm trying to be generous.

Because I wanted first hand experience, I spent 2 nights there. I didn't need to stay there, since I already had a nice apartment and my Spanish is good enough for me to get by. However, if I'm going to give advice to people, I prefer to have experience of my own, rather than rely on what I've heard from others.

There are a group of girls who are regulars. They are there several times a week. There are others who only come by a few times per week. Several of the girls prefer to get in 2 or 3 customers each night. They do all the basic things that most guys consider GFE. They do these things 10-20 times a week with 10 or more guys. It's like they're following a recipe.

For many of the Mansion regulars it doesn't matter. The experience is still better and cheaper, and with a much younger, prettier woman than anything they've experienced at home. However, some of us have a higher standard.

[QUOTE=Mufasa1;2254725]Hello,

Will be heading to Medellin. It has been recommended to use a credit card with no transaction fees when possible for best rates. Anyone recommend any one specific for Colombia. Also any bank that will not charge a big transaction fee when using the ATM machines. Also what bank's ATM should I use once I'm there. I tend to exchange cash but as it has been pointed out, it seems like I'm losing some money by doing that. Been to Medellin 3 times and would be happy to answer any other question.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Chase amazon prime no transaction fees.

[QUOTE=XBoyx;2282121]Does any of the girls in Santa Fe speak basic English? At least can say the prices in English? It's hard to believe they are in this business but still can't speak a few words in English to get non-Spanish speaking clients.[/QUOTE]Such arrogance! You go pussy chasing in a Spanish speaking country and you expect English on top of them fucking your sorry ass.

Dude,

Calm down, did I talk about your family that you get so defensive? My expectations are not too high, as Colombians learn English in school as the second language so it's not surprising if they know at least few words and numbers. What's wrong with you?

[QUOTE=Nyahbinghi83;2282459]Such arrogance! You go pussy chasing in a Spanish speaking country and you expect English on top of them fucking your sorry ass.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Combo;2282624]IEven harder to believe you'd go to a Spanish-speaking country and not know at least how to say prices.

That said, you'll get by somehow. I speak Spanish, but I've been to destinations where I didn't know the language and I was able to get by.[/QUOTE]You said it's harder to believe that I'm going to Colombia without knowing Spanish, then you said you have been to the countries that you didn't know the language! See? It shouldn't be so hard to believe then.

[QUOTE=Combo;2282624]Ever consider the Philippines? They speak English. The place is tailor made for guys like you.[/QUOTE]I lived in Philippines for 2 years few years ago and was there again 2 months ago along with Thailand and Cambodia. Been to Dubai and Ukraine too. I'm not a stupid person and will find my way or worst case scenario Google translator can help. But as Colombians study English in their school I thought it shouldn't be hard for a hooker to say her price in English.

[QUOTE=XBoyx;2282698]You said it's harder to believe that I'm going to Colombia without knowing Spanish, then you said you have been to the countries that you didn't know the language! See? It shouldn't be so hard to believe then.

I lived in Philippines for 2 years few years ago and was there again 2 months ago along with Thailand and Cambodia. Been to Dubai and Ukraine too. I'm not a stupid person and will find my way or worst case scenario Google translator can help. But as Colombians study English in their school I thought it shouldn't be hard for a hooker to say her price in English.[/QUOTE]Where did you get the information that Colombians learn English in School? Whoever the source is, you might want to disregard any other information from that source.

Some students, in some schools, take some English classes. This is by no means the majority of students and it certainly isn't true with the majority of prostitutes. Most will know a few English words, but not enough to carry on any type of transaction.

If you want to find Colombian girls who speak decent English, try hanging out in the Estrato 6 barrios. You'll get about a 30% chance there. Of course your chance of getting one to fuck you for 30 k COP is somewhere around 0.001%.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2282979]Where did you get the information that Colombians learn English in School? [/QUOTE]They may not learn it but they are taught it. I have a daughter in the school system in Colombia and she has had english lessons for the last two years, she is ten years old.

[QUOTE=XBoyx;2282698]You said it's harder to believe that I'm going to Colombia without knowing Spanish, then you said you have been to the countries that you didn't know the language! See? It shouldn't be so hard to believe then.

I lived in Philippines for 2 years few years ago and was there again 2 months ago along with Thailand and Cambodia. Been to Dubai and Ukraine too. I'm not a stupid person and will find my way or worst case scenario Google translator can help. But as Colombians study English in their school I thought it shouldn't be hard for a hooker to say her price in English.[/QUOTE]A Pinay camgirl I was bonking told me they have the edge over Colombians because they have much better English. Off topic but they might be better in the sack too.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;2283315]They may not learn it but they are taught it. I have a daughter in the school system in Colombia and she has had english lessons for the last two years, she is ten years old.[/QUOTE]I guess it depends on if that is general available before for the current adult population to learn it. They also may not have enough qualified teachers.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2287531]I lived in Medellin for 354 consecutive days, which I've stated before. I'm now back in the US, which has nothing to do with the points I made. That time started April 8, 2017 and ended March 28,2018. In 2018 alone, in less than 3 months I was in El Centro at least 75 times. I went there nearly every day, sometimes twice a day. I've been all over El Centro, from El Mirador down to the river. Between late July 2017 and when I left I probably walked 400 miles or more in El Centro. I even rode my bike through El Centro a few times. I've taken a lot of mongers and even a few Colombians and given them tours of El Centro. My last night in Medellin, I spent, until after midnight, 50' below the warzone above El Centro, hanging with some Colombian friends at their house. They all walked with me far enough down the hill to catch a taxi, because taxis won't go there at night. Now are you ready to take the rebuttal serious?

I don't try to scare new mongers. I also don't recommend they do stupid things. Quite the opposite. I've told a lot of guys how to get around in El Centro. I've also told them to find their own comfort zone. If El Centro freaks them out, they can go somewhere else. I don't try to force them to like El Centro, or to do things they aren't comfortable with.

Disrobing in an unfamiliar environment is always a risk? Always? You must be terrified of doctor's offices. For your sake, I hope you never join a gym. Oh the horror!

Disrobing in a casa is safer than disrobing in your own room. Why? Because the casa has to protect the patrons. How long would New Life be around if the girls were robbing the customers? How long would they be in business if they are letting guys in to rob and murder the customers? It's also safer because you've limited your risk. The girl isn't going to steal your laptop, or the 800 k pesos you've got stashed in your room. She's not going to drug you and clean you out. She's not going to pull out a straight razor and try to slash your throat. The only risk you face is that she'll either be lousy in bed, or she'll waste some time and you'll pay an extra $4.

The reason why it matters that every one of these girls has lots of friends and family, is that you're just another gringo. If you bring a girl to your room and then refuse to pay her because you found fault with her, she's not likely to just accept the constructive criticism. If she finds herself stuck, because she had promised the money, you agreed to pay, to someone else, she's going to call someone, crying for help. If she cries loud enough, then someone might decide you need to pay up, one way or another. It happens a few times a year in Medellin. If you're kicking out several girls, because you haven't learned how to pick them, you're eventually going to meet up with a pissed off Colombian.

No gringo ever gets killed in a casa. Gringos either get killed on the street, or in their room.

I'm not saying don't take girls to your room. I'm saying, if you make a deal with a girl, stick to the deal. Don't try to shame her. Don't try to kick her out without paying her. Give her the money and make a note not to call her again. You're out $30? $50? You're the guy who claimed to have unlimited money. Surely you can handle the cost of a meal at a decent US restaurant. If it happens in a casa, don't argue for a refund. Pay the fee and then mention the issue to the manager. Show respect, be polite and it will go a long way.

I don't provide pictures to other mongers, because a picture is worthless. You just proved that in the Bogota thread. You see a couple pictures of girls that are about average and suddenly, you're thinking you need to go to Bogota. Those pictures won't tell you anything about how those girls will respond to you. More importantly, they won't tell you where to find those girls 3 months from now.

Photosprepagos is an ad site. The girls advertising there are looking for customers. Those pictures tell you very little. Hold that picture up to your nose. Does that pussy smell clean? What about the ass? Can that picture handle a real deep throat, or is it just going to take 4 inches? Does that picture fuck like it hasn't had good dick for 3 years, or does the picture just lay there and make fake moaning noises? Was that picture taken last week, or 2 years ago? The pictures are nice to look at. That's all. You're going to have a lot of disappointing experiences if you're choosing based solely on looks, even more if you're going just off of pictures.

The only good thing about pictures is that a lot of people who will never go to Colombia, will pay for a membership so they can see pictures of the girls they'll never fuck..[/QUOTE]It was said, and I quote, I don't provide pictures to other mongers, because a picture is worthless. You just proved that in the Bogota thread. You see a couple pictures of girls that are about average and suddenly, you're thinking you need to go to Bogota. Those pictures won't tell you anything about how those girls will respond to you. More importantly, they won't tell you where to find those girls 3 months from now.

You don't provide pics because you don't have them. Only a self absorbed individual makes outlandish opinionated statements of such. Clearly you're not a doctor, cause you would know better and lets not talk about finances as the consensus thinks if you talk about money then you're broke, which is far from the truth. Never once said I haven't been to a casa, Wolf himself can vouch and tell you that he took me to my first casa in Medellin and I banged a really cute morena from Venezuela, but she didn't allow me to take pics and it was a pretty fast event, like 30 minutes. Not my kind of thing, I usually find a girl I connect with and I keep her a while, many hours like 6 or more.

Truth is, I haven't had many bad situations in Medellin, especially in Centro, because I do the one thing that most mongers should do before initiating a deal, I make my request clear, I speak Spanish fluently and treat the girls as best as I can and allow them to make more money in a day than they would probably make in a week.

Difference with me and many guys who like Casa's, I can actually say, that I have been banging some of the same chic's for over a year now. So photos and videos really count. If a board member ask me for a photo of a girl that I have had a session with, I can send the member a photo that I took with my phone, not a facebook filtered photo. They are several members who have thanked me for recommending a few girls and sending over the same girl that was in the photo and the video that I allowed them to see.

Many stories, that I read on the board I don't believe not one damn bit, I read the story and I am like, damn, there must be a different Centro, because I have been here for the past two weeks and no one has robbed me, No one has threatened to kill me, no one has threatened to kidnap me, So when many members post about there fears, that exactly what it is, there fears. I guarantee you that I am seen in Centro so much, that people actually think that I live there because I'm there so much. There is a reason that girls stand along the sidewalks in Vera Cruz, to be seen and picked up for dates. If you are only a wam bam 15 minute and damn type of dude, then Casa might be the place for you. I still feel much more safer taking a girl back to my room. Another thing that I will guarantee, a majority of the chics in Vera Cruz that stand on them sidewalks, not only sell themselves for a price, they like to have sex and if you treat them well and pay them a little more than the norm, they will screw your brains out and allow you to take Pics, Videos, take them shopping, take them to dinner and all sorts of things you can't do for multiple hours at a Cass, as I always say, All is fair and understood. Pollo Negro Is out!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2287531]I lived in Medellin for 354 consecutive days, which I've stated before. I'm now back in the US, which has nothing to do with the points I made. That time started April 8, 2017 and ended March 28,2018. In 2018 alone, in less than 3 months I was in El Centro at least 75 times. I went there nearly every day, sometimes twice a day. I've been all over El Centro, from El Mirador down to the river. Between late July 2017 and when I left I probably walked 400 miles or more in El Centro. I even rode my bike through El Centro a few times. I've taken a lot of mongers and even a few Colombians and given them tours of El Centro. My last night in Medellin, I spent, until after midnight, 50' below the warzone above El Centro, hanging with some Colombian friends at their house. They all walked with me far enough down the hill to catch a taxi, because taxis won't go there at night.[/QUOTE]I need to confirm that JjBee62 is being meticulously accurate. On my last visit to Medellin, he and another monger had been out walking some of the barrios and we met at my hotel in Laureles and walked to a restaurant and chatted for quite a while. After our other had to leave for a 'hot date', JjBee62 and I walked to the Estadio metro station. He was nothing but helpful. We both spoke Spanish well enough to get along but tall white dudes kind of stick out. So, his point of why cause a fracas for a few dollars. It's just not worth it. Move on, if you can't walk away from 30 mil ($10 US) you should be in another country, maybe Thailand or Philippines. I'm not sure how to say this, but there are a few rules of the road. (1) Don't mess with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girls, if you aren't sure, go elsewhere. (2) Don't give someone a reason to want to make you disappear. I'm not saying to be a doormat but be gracious when you call them out. This ain't Brooklyn / Chicago / Miami or whichever tough town you come from. This is their country, don't make them lose face. To a Latino that is almost worse than if you impregnated his sister.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2287849]

Truth is, I haven't had many bad situations in Medellin, especially in Centro, because I do the one thing that most mongers should do before initiating a deal, I make my request clear, I speak Spanish fluently and treat the girls as best as I can and allow them to make more money in a day than they would probably make in a week.

[/QUOTE]Well that's key right there brotha Pollo!

Fluent Spanish, treat girls right, and Pay for what you want.

Most dudes maybe get 1 out of those 3.

Your situational awareness out in Centro is I'm sure way better than most.

Speaking spanish and experience man!

You're not the wounded duck.

Casas used to rock in Medellin!

Before the "map" and the influx, LOL.

Keep on Truckin'.

Balboa out!

I wish you would write linearly. You bounce around like a rubber ball on meth. I'll try to split your post up into something that makes sense.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2287849]You don't provide pics because you don't have them. Only a self absorbed individual makes outlandish opinionated statements of such. Clearly you're not a doctor, cause you would know better and lets not talk about finances as the consensus thinks if you talk about money then you're broke, which is far from the truth. Never once said I haven't been to a casa, Wolf himself can vouch and tell you that he took me to my first casa in Medellin and I banged a really cute morena from Venezuela, but she didn't allow me to take pics and it was a pretty fast event, like 30 minutes. Not my kind of thing, I usually find a girl I connect with and I keep her a while, many hours like 6 or more.[/QUOTE]You're correct. I don't have photos of every girl I've been with. I don't take photos or videos of each girl, because I'm not with her to take photos. I have better things to do with my time. Actually, I have hundreds of photos, but those photos were taken, mostly during photo shoots, for a specific purpose. Some of the models I sessioned with, some I didn't.

Okay. I just realized it's going to be impossible to make any sense out of this. I'm stuck with trying to bounce in sympathy with your delusion.

I have no response to the "self absorbed" comment, because I don't want to take the time to explain irony. I also have no idea why you need to state that I'm not a doctor.

Finances? Again you've lost me. In one post you tell people not to go to casas because the girl might waste some time so you're stuck paying more. Then you say casas won't give refunds to unhappy mongers. Finally you follow it up with being able to pay a girl in your room 20 k and kick her out if you're not happy. Now you don't want to talk about finances?

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2286788]Many members have asked me the location to Casas and I just don't know where the casa's are and I never have sex in the Casa's.[/QUOTE]Pardon me for assuming this means you don't go to casas. As I've said way too many times, do what works for you. If you prefer to have girls in your room, have them in your room. If you prefer casas, streetwalkers, bar girls or the trannies by Parque Botero, do that. You prefer long sessions. You prefer to take pictures and video. You prefer to pay more than guys normally pay. Do what makes you happy.

The don't part is, don't tell people going to casas is unsafe, when by your own admission, you don't go to casas (except 1 time).

[QUOTE]Truth is, I haven't had many bad situations in Medellin, especially in Centro, because I do the one thing that most mongers should do before initiating a deal, I make my request clear, I speak Spanish fluently and treat the girls as best as I can and allow them to make more money in a day than they would probably make in a week.[/QUOTE]Looks like I need to quote you again.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2287449]What does me kicking several girls out have to do with them having cousins, brothers & friends.[/QUOTE]Is it, that you haven't had many problems, or that you've kicked several girls out? It's rather difficult to discuss anything with you when you're constantly contradicting yourself.

[QUOTE]Difference with me and many guys who like Casa's, I can actually say, that I have been banging some of the same chic's for over a year now. So photos and videos really count. If a board member ask me for a photo of a girl that I have had a session with, I can send the member a photo that I took with my phone, not a facebook filtered photo. They are several members who have thanked me for recommending a few girls and sending over the same girl that was in the photo and the video that I allowed them to see.[/QUOTE]I've said it before. I have no desire to be a pimp. I'm not running an escort service. Because I'm not a pimp I have no reason to send photos and videos to mongers. I also don't send girls to mongers. That would be illegal in Colombia.

Also previously stated, I rarely recommend a particular girl to anyone. In the few cases when I do, pictures aren't necessary. In those situations I'm referring someone I know to someone I know. I'm not recommending a pair of tits or an ass. I'm recommending a person, with a personality, to a person with a personality. I'm making the recommendation because based on my experience, the two people will be a good match. I'm not doing it because the guy is looking for a particular body type.

[QUOTE]Many stories, that I read on the board I don't believe not one damn bit, I read the story and I am like, damn, there must be a different Centro, because I have been here for the past two weeks and no one has robbed me, No one has threatened to kill me, no one has threatened to kidnap me, So when many members post about there fears, that exactly what it is, there fears. I guarantee you that I am seen in Centro so much, that people actually think that I live there because I'm there so much. There is a reason that girls stand along the sidewalks in Vera Cruz, to be seen and picked up for dates. If you are only a wam bam 15 minute and damn type of dude, then Casa might be the place for you. I still feel much more safer taking a girl back to my room. Another thing that I will guarantee, a majority of the chics in Vera Cruz that stand on them sidewalks, not only sell themselves for a price, they like to have sex and if you treat them well and pay them a little more than the norm, they will screw your brains out and allow you to take Pics, Videos, take them shopping, take them to dinner and all sorts of things you can't do for multiple hours at a Cass, as I always say, All is fair and understood. Pollo Negro Is out![/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure you're confusing me with someone else, either that or there's a good reason why your post is incoherent.

I don't write about El Centro being a deathtrap. I've told the facts about El Centro. I've told people how to avoid problems, wherever they go. Unlike several other guys I've never told people not to go to El Centro. However, if you make a habit of "kicking several girls out", regardless of where you are in Colombia, you're running an unnecessary risk.

Here's another "don't" for you: Don't guarantee things you can't back up. Unless you've had sex with the majority of the girls in Veracruz, along with taking them to dinner, taking them shopping and taking pics and videos of them, you can't say what the majority will allow. I'm sure many of them are just as you say. But that really doesn't matter. Nobody goes to a casa to take a girl to dinner. Nobody goes to a casa to take a girl shopping. Almost nobody goes to a casa to hangout with a girl for multiple hours. Guys go to casas for a quick, convenient fuck. If they enjoy the girl, they get her number and at a later time do whatever they want for however long they want with her.

Then again, not too many guys go down to Veracruz to find a dinner companion.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288371]The original question assumes a complete rookie did something stupid. Correction, did a few stupid things. 1. he went to Medellin without doing any research. 2. he accepted a initial, well above standard rate offer (in pesos). 3. he never confirmed the price. [/QUOTE]It's easy to say something is stupid, but calling it so ad nauseam doesn't make it so. 300, though on the higher end is fair for a top girl. Plus any lack in skills of negotiation is beside the point. The price was confirmed at 300 in the default currency.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288371] Confirmed the price, because he would know many girls in Gusto ask for dollars from gringos. [/QUOTE]That's interesting. Now stupidity equates with ignorance. Looks as though you yourself are ignorant, or just like to make yourself feel important on the internet by calling others stupid. Many quote in pesos in Gusto. Anyone quoting in dollars needs to call the currency what it is.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288371]But, let's say it happens and I happen to walk up in the middle of the heated argument between the girl and the GTC (Google Translate Commando). First thing, I get her side of the story. Next I get his side. I explain each side to the other. Then, because I'm a nice guy, I'll explain to her that he doesn't have dollars, he has pesos, and he doesn't have that much money. I'll tell her that I will get him to pay what he can and I will tell her to say "dolares" next time. [/QUOTE]Nice fantasy, saving the day for some poor hapless user of a translator app. Grandiosity at it's best, though we have no proof that you are anywhere near fluent in Spanish.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288371]Then, I'll tell him that he fucked up. [/QUOTE]Asserting it again and again doesn't make it so. He got a price in the default currency. She fucked up if she wanted dollars.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288371]Now assuming someone doesn't come along to rescue the GTC, he's on his own. If she makes enough noise, security or the police are likely to show up. Whose side will they take? If he's lucky he gets away with paying 500 k. If he's unlucky. Worst case, she tells the cop she's not of age, that she's using her cousin's cedula and that he knew she was only 16.[/QUOTE]You can come up will all sorts of scenarios as to why you should give into extortion. What if she demands 10 K dollars or she files a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] complaint? The by far most likely scenario here is that she takes her 300 mil pesos and goes to buy her nose candy, provided you are man enough to stand your ground. I've stood up to extortion many times over 20 years and never seen a cop at the door.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288371]Any time you let a situation escalate to the point where police are involved, you're swimming with the sharks. [/QUOTE]Hyperbole / exaggeration.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288371]So, the final answer is:
1. he needs to keep the situation calm. [/QUOTE]Agreed, if possible without giving into extortion.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288371]2. he needs to explain the confusion. [/QUOTE]Any genuine confusion about the type of currency is extremely unlikely, so you're making an invalid assumption.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288371]3. he needs to work out a deal that she will accept. [/QUOTE]She needs to take the 300 pesos and go.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288371]If he can talk her into 300 k, great. If she's not budging off of $300, he's better off paying it, than risking an escalation.[/QUOTE]What if she demands 10 K dolares or else? Are you still on board? Call the bluff. If the cops come you can always re-evaluate. They do this because of guys like you and others who follow your bad advice. That's the "final answer. ".