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[QUOTE=The Traveler]Giotto,

I wonder how and where you get your so called "infos".
I know a couple of Thais - with and without university diplomas - who are willing to and already did work hard (e.g. double shifts) but can't find a job, or at least none that is paid well.
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You would largely increase the motivation of your staff by paying better salaries. How hard would you work for a few thousand baht ?[/QUOTE]The Traveler,

Funny comment, don't really understand it, I did not even use the word "infos" in my report. And how do you know how much we pay our staff, whether we pay "better" or "worse" salaries?

Anyway, I simply wrote about my experiences with hiring staff here in Thailand, which is a permanent process when you run a hotel / restaurant / bar in Bangkok. And to the discussions with customers doing the same for their companies here in Thailand. And with other hotel managers, with which we exchange information, even exchange staff for training pruposes etc. etc. . Nearly everybody I talk to made the same experience.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]...
You obviously don't know much about the problems involved with finding a good job and rather prefer to repeat prejudices instead of dealing with this subject in a proper manner.
...[/QUOTE]LOL, you will never change :) . I am not Thai, and I have a [some] job[s] :). And I don't think that I repeat prejudices when I simply write about my own experiences with hiring staff for my company. It's the reality I am dealing with here on a daily basis.


Giotto

I was planning on posting some general information, but it looks like I jumped into the Fight Club thread by mistake! My bad!

AT2

OTH

What most foreigners don't comprehend is that Thais work as a collective and not as individuals. Most task are done in a team and group consensus is much appreciated. So like Nic Frenchy correctly stated team building like parties etc helps. But only to a point.

I must admit, when people are most happy in my office, I start to worry as its usually indicates that little is accomplished.

Maybe just my experience. JB




[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]To equate Thai workers with workers elsewhere is foolish to say the least. The amount of salary or the quality of the employer has little to do with the effectiveness of your average Thai worker. The vast majority of Thais are under-achievers and have no real ambition; at least ambition that goes hand-in-hand with hard work to achieve a goal, personal or otherwise. I've never seen such a collective mind-set anywhere wherein, the average person feels a sense of entitlement, without earning it, has no sense of loyalty or responsibility, and generally expects the most for the least effort. Thais will quit a job at the drop of a hat without any reason and are in that regard, the most mobile and fluid workforce I've ever witnessed.

After 11 years of working with these people, I have little respect left for them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]OTH

What most foreigners don't comprehend is that Thais work as a collective and not as individuals. Most task are done in a team and group consensus is much appreciated. So like Nic Frenchy correctly stated team building like parties etc helps. But only to a point.

I must admit, when people are most happy in my office, I start to worry as its usually indicates that little is accomplished.

Maybe just my experience. JB[/QUOTE]

I completely understand the group dynamic of Thais. But, a lot of that has to do with a lack of individual initiative tempered by the fear of doing something wrong and being singled out and punished. It's better to fuck up as a group than take the heat for something, individually. Thais can't think for themselves even in a group. It's all about pleasing somebody above, never stepping out of line, doing what you're told and certainly never challenging something or someone, even if competely assinine. This begins in the Thai education system where a student risks serious repercussions if he ever thinks for himself, or questions a teacher, especially if he spots a teacher making a mistake, which often happens. Students have been beaten and/or expelled for asking a teacher to explain something further or for pointing out a mistake a teacher has made. An example of this type of repression was the story recently of a student who was disciplined severely for telling his teacher that the English word for รถบรรทุก (rot ban took) could be also be translated as "truck",according to American English, when she insisted that the only acceptable translation was the Brit-English "Lorry".

When talking about Thai workers, I wasn't just talking about underlings, but co-workers and bosses. Thai bosses are among the most incompetent I've ever encountered. Shit truly does float to the top here. My first boss at The Nation (and still there 11 years later) married into his position (his wife is the owner's sister). He was and still is a fucking babbling idiot.

I'm curious what experience you've had working with Thais above you in your office. Or, are you the boss?

OTH

Yes, I am the boss and the master over a small army :-) Over the years we hired and fired quite a number of individuals, the very product of the fine institution you work at. Their skin was a bit whiter, the English a bit better, yet I must admit not all were necessarily smarter.

For years I been asking WHY. Why people can't do this or that... or simply why Thais do things so very different from what I call logic or common sense.

My answer to the why: first of all in the interest of my personal health and mental condition I still teach myself not to look to close.

Then, they are 2 ways to run a business in Thailand (as a foreigner).

1.) be nice to your staff, have parties, let them listen to music at work, create relaxation zones, encourage the easy life and in return pay small salaries and learn to live with max 40% productivity.

2.) be strict, place limited pressure on your staff, reward performance and pay higher salaries and learn to live with 75% productivity.

JB








[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I completely understand the group dynamic of Thais. But, a lot of that has to do with a lack of individual initiative tempered by the fear of doing something wrong and being singled out and punished. It's better to fuck up as a group than take the heat for something, individually. Thais can't think for themselves even in a group. It's all about pleasing somebody above, never stepping out of line, doing what you're told and certainly never challenging something or someone, even if competely assinine. This begins in the Thai education system where a student risks serious repercussions if he ever thinks for himself, or questions a teacher, especially if he spots a teacher making a mistake, which often happens. Students have been beaten and/or expelled for asking a teacher to explain something further or for pointing out a mistake a teacher has made. An example of this type of repression was the story recently of a student who was disciplined severely for telling his teacher that the English word for รถบรรทุก (rot ban took) could be also be translated as "truck",according to American English, when she insisted that the only acceptable translation was the Brit-English "Lorry".

When talking about Thai workers, I wasn't just talking about underlings, but co-workers and bosses. Thai bosses are among the most incompetent I've ever encountered. Shit truly does float to the top here. My first boss at The Nation (and still there 11 years later) married into his position (his wife is the owner's sister). He was and still is a fucking babbling idiot.

I'm curious what experience you've had working with Thais above you in your office. Or, are you the boss?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Yep, especially in areas where it is difficult to find good people (Not Bkk, Chiang Mai adn the other big cities)

I agree. But if you assume the best employer is the one that pays the highest Salary, then we may agree to disagree (is that English? LOL)

I am not suggesting anything, you read too much into what I wrote. Just a question, have you worked in Thailand before? have you ever been in a position where you had to hire a Thai? how many people do you have to manage on a daily basis?

I manage over 50 people on a daily basis and they are all loyal to our company. We pay them the normal Market Salaries for their position, but then they get Bonuses, we treat them well,they have a nice adn friendly working environment, get "Leave of absence" when needed, we invite them for treats (lunches, dinners) on a weekly basis, we have monthly outings (Bowling, Pool, PaintBall, Movies), we help them when they have kids, we have Birthday parties, we help them when they have Family problems, etc...

This is how you can build loyalty and trust with the Thais. I am not saying we are perfect, far from it, but of all the employees who have left us for better paid jobs, a lot asked if they could come back.

My mate (who is with a Big Corporation) pays his staff really well, but then if they don't produce or perform to satisfaction, they get the boot.

Third world country Salaries? compared to what?[/QUOTE]
Nic, thanks for your informative reply. Your company clearly operates good management of employees using similar techniques to companies in Western Europe. But I'm still baffled by your original comment about wages and poaching of employees.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]... a lack of individual initiative tempered by the fear of doing something wrong and being singled out and punished. It's better to fuck up as a group than take the heat for something, individually. Thais can't think for themselves even in a group. It's all about pleasing somebody above, never stepping out of line, doing what you're told and certainly never challenging something or someone, even if competely assinine. This begins in the Thai education system . . .[/QUOTE]You could substitute "Japanese" for "Thai" above and still be pretty close to the mark. The cultural similarities are astonishing, and what is especially astonishing to me is the radical difference in outcome. The Thais really are like the Japanese- like lazy Japanese on Prozac (thankfully the Thais don't show so much interest in killing themselves). A bit overly broad, I know, but I wonder what accounts for the most salient differences- I. E. , work ethic and competitiveness- against a fairly similar cultural background (including the strikingly similar synthesis of Buddhism and animism found in both cultures). Could it be the difference in environments? Thailand being quite fertile and forgiving in comparison to the perpetually hostile environment of the Japanese archipelago (earthquakes, volcanoes, typhoons, snowstorms, etc.); it is easy to be lazy in a place where if you drop a seed you get a plant, throw a net get a fish, eat mangoes in the mango season and durian in the durian season, etc. (Of course, back when much of Thailand was covered in jungle it probably wasn't all that gentle a place to live.) Or is that Thailand never experienced an overarching military dictatorship like that of the Tokugawa shogunate, ruling Japan with an iron fist for 200 years, dominating all aspects of politics and economy while ruthlessly suppressing any dissent?

Just thinking out loud here, enjoying the conversation and wanted to try to contribute something.

Not sure how you can compare Thais to Japanese. During a recent Tokyo visit I did not see phone wires hanging in the trees :-)

JB

[QUOTE=Sanook D]You could substitute "Japanese" for "Thai" above and still be pretty close to the mark. The cultural similarities are astonishing, and what is especially astonishing to me is the radical difference in outcome. The Thais really are like the Japanese- like lazy Japanese on Prozac (thankfully the Thais don't show so much interest in killing themselves). A bit overly broad, I know, but I wonder what accounts for the most salient differences- I. E. , work ethic and competitiveness- against a fairly similar cultural background (including the strikingly similar synthesis of Buddhism and animism found in both cultures). Could it be the difference in environments? Thailand being quite fertile and forgiving in comparison to the perpetually hostile environment of the Japanese archipelago (earthquakes, volcanoes, typhoons, snowstorms, etc.); it is easy to be lazy in a place where if you drop a seed you get a plant, throw a net get a fish, eat mangoes in the mango season and durian in the durian season, etc. (Of course, back when much of Thailand was covered in jungle it probably wasn't all that gentle a place to live.) Or is that Thailand never experienced an overarching military dictatorship like that of the Tokugawa shogunate, ruling Japan with an iron fist for 200 years, dominating all aspects of politics and economy while ruthlessly suppressing any dissent?

Just thinking out loud here, enjoying the conversation and wanted to try to contribute something.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Not sure how you can compare Thais to Japanese. During a recent Tokyo visit I did not see phone wires hanging in the trees :-)

JB[/QUOTE]Hahahahaha quite right.

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Hey, I'm thinking of taking my first trip to Asia (Thailand) soon. I am ready to do my own research, but I'm just trying to figure out where to start. Can anyone give me their opinion on the 2 top cities in Thailand (and why) so I can go from there? I'm not typically into Asian women, so I'the prefer an area where I can find Asian (or other) girls with some meat on their bones. Not fat, but just nice juicy assess and tits, like the Colombianas and Dominicans I have become so fond of in Latin America! Also, if there is a place in Thailand that has girls from all over the world, that would be great too. Thanks! By the way, I always pay back info provided with great reports. Check out my reports on Bogota and Panama City, Panama!

Rodeo

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112]Hey, I'm thinking of taking my first trip to Asia (Thailand) soon. I am ready to do my own research, but I'm just trying to figure out where to start. Can anyone give me their opinion on the 2 top cities in Thailand (and why) so I can go from there? I'm not typically into Asian women, so I'the prefer an area where I can find Asian (or other) girls with some meat on their bones. Not fat, but just nice juicy assess and tits, like the Colombianas and Dominicans I have become so fond of in Latin America! Also, if there is a place in Thailand that has girls from all over the world, that would be great too. Thanks! By the way, I always pay back info provided with great reports. Check out my reports on Bogota and Panama City, Panama!

Rodeo[/QUOTE]

Rodeo9112,

You may end up disappointed, if you are not into Asian woman and are into the Latin American woman. They are so different, that if you like one type, you may not like the other. I'm the other way around. I love Asian woman and only spend minimal time in Central and South America. I prefer the Asian models! Sleek, shy, but very lovable and loving. LOL!

There are some options, so I hope someone with that expertise can help you out.

AT2

Hi Rodeo,

I have travelled in SE Asia and S. America quite a lot over the last 20 years or so and love them both.

Yes the countries and girls are very different and almost impossible to compare but even within S. America it is allmost impossible to compare Chile with say Brazil or Venezuela!.

Please do not think that ALL Thai girls are very slim with few curves. There are many with “outstanding” figures, either real or silicone so I do not think you will have problems finding ones that meet your specification.

Of course you will not find many blue eyed blondes in Thailand but then again there are now quite a few Eastern European girls working there, mostly to satisfy the Asian punters.

Regarding the best cities for a first visit I would recommend Bangkok and Pattaya. Not that I think that these are necessarily the best cities in Thailand but as a first timer it will give you a good insight into the Thai scene with minimal traveling!
For a relaxing few days Chang Mai and the north can be interesting. Chang Mai is Thailand’s 2nd city but only around 1/40th the size of Bangkok.

My advice is go with an open mind and I will take a bet that you will enjoy Thailand just as much as S. America. I know I do!!

Enjoy,

Hotman.

If you are not prepared to try a different world Thailand will not be good for you.

There is not comparison between Latinas and Thais. If you prefer the only one being that both are having tits and pussies.
Latinas are energetic, enthusiastic, full of fun and they will not only fuck your body but your brains too if they like you.

Thais, as AT2 said, are mostly on the shy side. You have to be initiative but will treat you as an emperor at times. eg getting with you in the bathtub, washing you, giving you a massage and full service afterwards in the soapies.
Something you can not easily get in Latin America.

But they are very clean and have perfect skin and nice & clean saved pussies.

Also not black or blond pussies there unless you hit an eastern European beauty somewhere.

My two centavos amigo.

El Greco

Hey Rodeo,

Saw your post and this and wanted to give you some info since you helped with me with Panama. First off, I've never been to Thai but spent lots of time in HK, KL and Singapore (many Thai's there too). I too am most fond of Colombianas/Venezolanas/Equadorianas. I still think they are the hottest women on the planet -- both physically and performance wise.

But Asians have their own special appeal. If you go to HK or Sing, you will see some absolute Thai hotties. Some of them will be really curvy, full figured and voluptious. Also, two of the best chicks I've ever had were a Vietnamese and a Cambodian. I've heard Pattaya is just a ***** party everywhere, plus you have beach in the daytime.

Now Asian chicks may be more subdued before boning, but if you connect they will go wild in bed and take care of your needs 200%. Just treat em nice and they will more than return the favor. BTW, its really important that you know that Thai's are big into 'preserving face', thus don't embarass a girl in front of other girls or you will miss out big time. Let us know how you make out in Thai! Must get a soapy massage.